1 00:00:01,439 --> 00:00:05,279 Well, it's that time once again for the show that has no music, 2 00:00:05,309 --> 00:00:10,019 no commercials, no jingles, no talent and no agenda. I'm Adam 3 00:00:10,019 --> 00:00:12,959 curry in the curry manor in Guilford. 4 00:00:14,009 --> 00:00:17,129 And I'm John C. Dvorak out here in the middle of nowhere 5 00:00:17,159 --> 00:00:18,239 Northern California. 6 00:00:19,229 --> 00:00:22,859 It is Saturday, Saturday evening. It's really cold here 7 00:00:22,859 --> 00:00:27,149 in in the UK. It's like it. I think it's actually a little bit 8 00:00:27,149 --> 00:00:30,809 below zero right now. So how's it out there in California, 9 00:00:30,809 --> 00:00:31,139 John? 10 00:00:32,130 --> 00:00:34,560 Well, the sun's out, but it's foggy. It's just slightly foggy. 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,500 And it's actually chilly here too. It's, it was I think, as 12 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:40,140 low as 35 Fahrenheit. Yes, last night. 13 00:00:40,410 --> 00:00:43,230 Or I was just thinking, you know, you called me and said, 14 00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:46,020 Okay, I'm up. I'm ready to do the show. And I said, alright, 15 00:00:46,020 --> 00:00:48,210 well, I'll call in a couple minutes. Let me go make a cup of 16 00:00:48,210 --> 00:00:51,030 tea. And then you said, Yeah, I'll go make a cup of tea too. 17 00:00:51,030 --> 00:00:54,180 And as I was making my tea, I was thinking, boy, aren't we the 18 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:55,740 perfect married gay couple? 19 00:00:57,660 --> 00:01:05,910 You know, little older guy, younger guy. making tea. All 20 00:01:05,910 --> 00:01:08,430 right, so you promised me earlier in the week? 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,880 Wait a minute, stop. Okay, you know, there's a you know, when 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,830 you did when we call it when you call me, by the way, I want to 23 00:01:13,830 --> 00:01:16,290 get into a little rant here. Before we go on do anything 24 00:01:16,290 --> 00:01:19,860 in a rant on me? Did I do something wrong? No, it's 25 00:01:19,860 --> 00:01:22,740 that when you said are you up? And about? It just triggered a 26 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:25,950 thought? Because, you know, it's like, up and about up and about 27 00:01:25,950 --> 00:01:29,820 what, you know, where does that term come from up and about? 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,960 Psych? You know, he's out and about, or in Canada boot is out 29 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:35,850 and about? It's kind 30 00:01:35,850 --> 00:01:41,010 of a polite way of saying, Are you no shortcut code for saying 31 00:01:41,010 --> 00:01:43,380 Are you ready to ready to do the show? 32 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:46,290 Yeah, no, but what is it? What is the about part come from? 33 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:49,230 Where does that come into the picture? I mean, well, how does 34 00:01:49,230 --> 00:01:51,960 that phrase even evolve? And here's what it what what thought 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:57,240 it triggered. Some years ago, I got burped listening to Carly 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,740 Fiorina, I give a speech and I noticed other women CEOs started 37 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:05,040 to say this phrase, and this the phrase that bugs me, and the 38 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,350 phrase is, by and large, and by and large, by and large, and 39 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:14,520 I've never I could never tell whether it was by enlarge, or by 40 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:20,520 and large. And what does it mean by and large? So I heard some 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,010 guy in the TV the other night saying at some one of the 42 00:02:23,010 --> 00:02:27,000 politicians as well by and large, blah, blah, blah. I'm 43 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,670 taking by and large by and large, what, where does this 44 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:32,280 phrase come from? And why do people use it? And what does it 45 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,240 mean? And how and what is it? Is it by and large? Is it by 46 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:39,150 enlarge? It just, I can tell 47 00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:42,720 you from doesn't come from, like Old English or something, 48 00:02:43,229 --> 00:02:47,909 does it? But and why are we using it? I mean, I just wanted 49 00:02:47,909 --> 00:02:49,889 to say I actually was gonna bring it up. I think maybe I 50 00:02:49,889 --> 00:02:53,189 mentioned it on one of these things that just when I hear it, 51 00:02:53,189 --> 00:02:57,119 I just cringe. I don't know why that it annoys me so much. It's 52 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,300 also probably a phrase that someone is implementing that, 53 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,970 you know, just to buy some time while they're thinking about 54 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:04,650 what bullshit they're gonna say next. 55 00:03:05,009 --> 00:03:06,989 By and large, that's probably true. 56 00:03:09,539 --> 00:03:15,959 By the way, by and large. There's a great BBC programme 57 00:03:15,959 --> 00:03:19,019 called Global Business used to be called in business, Peter de 58 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,120 host this, I've seen the show. 59 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:25,110 I think it's but it's radio. It's not it's not video. 60 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:29,640 Oh, I haven't seen it. Maybe I'm imagining I saw 61 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,539 it. No, because Peter de interviewed me about podcasting 62 00:03:33,539 --> 00:03:37,979 in 2005. And, you know, he's like this, one of these real old 63 00:03:37,979 --> 00:03:42,329 time, you know, trench coat, Naga, carrying journalists who 64 00:03:42,359 --> 00:03:43,709 travels all over the world, 65 00:03:43,979 --> 00:03:46,229 and interview that's a good reference. Nobody's gonna get 66 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:48,719 the Nagar reference, but I did. Thank you. 67 00:03:49,770 --> 00:03:57,120 So he has Tony Perkins, as you mentioned, Pura, who was HPs. 68 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:58,650 CEO, 69 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,030 Carly Fiorina, Carly Fiorina. 70 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:07,650 Yeah. Yeah. Right. She was so you know, that whole scandal and 71 00:04:07,650 --> 00:04:11,580 the whole boardroom blow up and tracking cell phone records and 72 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:15,090 shit and impersonating you know, board members, big news here, 73 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,210 right? So you might want to listen to that really good 74 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:21,300 interview. He goes pretty in depth and all that stuff. 75 00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:24,930 Is it complimentary? By and large completely by and large. 76 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:28,410 When he's up and about he, by and large is quite 77 00:04:28,410 --> 00:04:29,250 complimentary. 78 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,600 So you're gonna say something before I rudely interrupted you? 79 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,180 Well, earlier in the week you asked me if I'd heard this 80 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:39,390 podsafe Christmas song I'm like, and I said the same thing I just 81 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:43,080 said before we hit record is mean if everyday we're Christmas 82 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,590 and you'd like know this thing that Jonathan Coulton and I 83 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:51,330 don't know I mean, this has been around for a year apparently. I 84 00:04:51,330 --> 00:04:51,690 don't know if 85 00:04:53,010 --> 00:04:55,710 well, once you play but my daughter is a huge fan of this 86 00:04:55,710 --> 00:04:57,630 guy. Well, he's he is huge and 87 00:04:57,630 --> 00:05:02,580 he did come from I'm I'd say the podsafe music revolution. 88 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,480 Well, here's his podsafe Christmas song 89 00:05:06,510 --> 00:05:08,970 All right, I'm gonna give this so I've not I don't think I've I 90 00:05:08,970 --> 00:05:11,550 certainly don't recall seeing a YouTube video but I have it 91 00:05:11,550 --> 00:05:15,600 lined up. You may not hear it through your headphones but here 92 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,310 okay guys everyone ready to sing the song? 93 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:22,139 Now remember it's almost Christmas and nobody has any 94 00:05:22,139 --> 00:05:25,079 podsafe Christmas music so that's your motivation here. 95 00:05:25,499 --> 00:05:26,609 CeCe Chapman you ready? 96 00:05:28,050 --> 00:05:32,580 Linda? Nora from Jawbone good to go. And Adam curry Skyping in 97 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:34,680 from the helicopter flying somewhere above your golden 98 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:44,280 palace. You all pitched in there, Adam. Adam, Adam I do 99 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:45,330 remember this actually 100 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,170 I'm not gonna play the whole thing. Well, that's that is 101 00:05:55,170 --> 00:05:58,620 pretty funny. You got to kind of see the video because you can't 102 00:05:58,620 --> 00:06:00,600 understand all the all the lyrics and they have it on 103 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,510 screen. As pretty funny. But have you heard every day over 104 00:06:06,510 --> 00:06:07,110 Christmas? 105 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:10,470 I think so. Yeah. 106 00:06:10,499 --> 00:06:15,629 That's the that was the the podsafe music. We are the world 107 00:06:17,849 --> 00:06:21,659 where everyone, everyone cut their tracks, you know, at their 108 00:06:21,659 --> 00:06:26,189 own home studios. And, and then they put it all together. 109 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:31,890 You know, the whole podsafe thing is like and I think it's 110 00:06:31,890 --> 00:06:32,940 under appreciated. 111 00:06:34,260 --> 00:06:38,670 Um, it's it's interesting, you know, Ron and I met in in New 112 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:43,950 York, with Alan Grubman. Do you know who that is? Oh, yeah. So, 113 00:06:45,450 --> 00:06:50,160 I, you know, I met Alan Grubman once or twice in the in the MTV 114 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,620 days he absolutely did not remember me. 115 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:55,590 Explain to the audience who he is. 116 00:06:56,970 --> 00:07:02,910 Alan Grubman is the music industry lawyer at the music 117 00:07:02,910 --> 00:07:07,680 industry law firm, which was what does it Grubman and Dorsky 118 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,190 Schindler? I think I don't know. And basically, these guys have 119 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:16,920 an amazing racket. They negotiate both sides of any deal 120 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:21,270 with the music industry. So, if you want to licence music from 121 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:25,650 basically there are four major labels. Then you do that 122 00:07:25,650 --> 00:07:32,070 negotiation with Grubman and Dorsky Schindler, who also 123 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:39,090 represent the labels and they sit right on the fence and they 124 00:07:39,090 --> 00:07:42,930 basically they sit in the middle and they negotiate on both 125 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:46,980 sides. And because of that, they've become incredible. 126 00:07:46,980 --> 00:07:50,250 They've been incredibly powerful and they represent everybody and 127 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:53,280 everything that moves. It's just an amount it's like Willy 128 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,900 Wonka's chocolate factory of money in there. And, and Alan 129 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:00,990 Grubman is obviously one of the he's like Danny crane, if you 130 00:08:00,990 --> 00:08:02,010 ever watched the 131 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:05,850 right everybody denigrate, he's Denny crane. 132 00:08:06,810 --> 00:08:09,420 But Ron knows him really well, because Ron when he was going 133 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:13,320 out with Princess Stephanie, and Stephanie was getting into the 134 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,400 record business and Prince Ron, you said, Hey, man, you know, 135 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,070 what is his record business shit about the, you know, Ron Blum 136 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:23,940 being as he is, of course, he said, I'll bring some of the top 137 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:27,450 guys over and they'll tell you all that. And so he called up 138 00:08:27,450 --> 00:08:30,210 Alan Grubman and said, You know, I'm going to take you to go see 139 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:33,660 a printer near so that of course, is one of those small 140 00:08:33,660 --> 00:08:37,650 things that that gets you meetings easily in New York. 141 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,230 They remember that shit that would but anyway, you know, the 142 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:46,830 we basically had that conversation about podsafe music 143 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:50,370 with those guys. And everyone everyone knows that the the 144 00:08:50,370 --> 00:08:53,280 music and the labels are completely fuck, they have 145 00:08:53,310 --> 00:08:57,600 absolutely no desire to try anything new. They just want big 146 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,310 checkup front from everybody in for everything all the time. And 147 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:04,530 they're just all watching it kind of go down the drain. Quite 148 00:09:04,530 --> 00:09:08,130 amazing. So I think you're right, this pod save thing is 149 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:09,360 undervalued. 150 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:14,970 Well, I think it'll, it's just one of the things that it will 151 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:18,270 gain momentum. It just makes too much sense. 152 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,590 It's pretty big already. You know, it's 153 00:09:23,130 --> 00:09:25,620 well yeah, I know you've got like, how much stuff how many 154 00:09:25,620 --> 00:09:28,200 songs do you think that are just on the pod show? 155 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:32,970 Well, I know we have some we have like 35,000 artists. And 156 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:35,550 you know God knows how many tracks each artist has has 157 00:09:35,550 --> 00:09:38,640 uploaded or label. We got some pretty big labels on there too. 158 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,730 Like an orchard. They do huge, huge distribution of independent 159 00:09:41,730 --> 00:09:44,820 music. It's good. And Duran Duran just showed up with one 160 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:50,040 track the other day. Yeah, you remember them, don't you? 161 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,020 From the from when I was a little kid. Hey, John. 162 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,560 Today is super shipped Saturday on National Geographic 163 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,070 What does that mean? It's 164 00:10:02,549 --> 00:10:06,179 the whole day. All they show is super chips. Like how they built 165 00:10:06,179 --> 00:10:07,349 the Queen Mary two. 166 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:10,380 Oh, that could be actually kind of fun. It's 167 00:10:10,410 --> 00:10:16,050 amazing. It really is. That thing is three times as big as 168 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:21,990 the QE two, which in turn was twice as big as the Titanic. 169 00:10:22,950 --> 00:10:26,010 I think the thing is only coming over to the US. I just come over 170 00:10:26,010 --> 00:10:28,980 the us sometime. I think it was over here recently. And then 171 00:10:28,980 --> 00:10:31,590 it's, it doesn't visit over here that much. It's gorgeous in New 172 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:34,650 York was supposed to, I don't know, I was I was following its 173 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,740 I wanted to get on board. The thing. I think it was in San 174 00:10:37,740 --> 00:10:42,030 Francisco for a day. And so I got a hold of the coonara. Do 175 00:10:42,030 --> 00:10:42,540 people 176 00:10:42,569 --> 00:10:44,969 think that's the owner? coonara. Yeah. 177 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,210 And I said, you know, I'd like to, you know, I'm a journalist, 178 00:10:48,210 --> 00:10:52,680 blah, blah, blah, trying to scam. They went on and on with 179 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:56,070 the you can't come on under any circumstances because your 180 00:10:56,250 --> 00:11:00,150 country's Homeland Security won't allow it went on and on 181 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:00,900 really? 182 00:11:02,250 --> 00:11:03,720 Oh, that's crazy. I said even 183 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,110 with an escorted tour, I can't get an escorted tour. No, it's 184 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:10,500 against the rules, thinking well, that's great good for your 185 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:11,730 publicity. Well, the 186 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:14,250 reason why I find it hard to believe the reason why you don't 187 00:11:14,250 --> 00:11:18,840 see it that often is because they just because I watched most 188 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,650 of the programme before we got on the Skype, they had to make a 189 00:11:22,650 --> 00:11:28,470 very important design design decision pretty early on. In 190 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:31,380 order to make it the size that it was, it had to be wider than 191 00:11:31,380 --> 00:11:34,920 the Panama Canal. So it can't actually go through the Panama 192 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Canal. So it has to go around Cape Horn to do around the world 193 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,830 trip. And so that's why, you know, it does a different route 194 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:45,270 than most the one was originally intended, even between, it just 195 00:11:45,270 --> 00:11:47,100 takes longer to complete its whole journey. 196 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,630 So that's why you don't see it. Don't make sense. 197 00:11:51,929 --> 00:11:53,549 But wow, what an amazing, 198 00:11:53,850 --> 00:11:56,430 he's gonna take it over over to New York one of these days. 199 00:11:57,330 --> 00:12:01,860 You know, I would certainly want to do it. Patricia is a very 200 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:06,330 against cruise ships and ocean liners, because when she was 16, 201 00:12:06,330 --> 00:12:09,570 and you know, her dad had a big band. And she by default had to 202 00:12:09,570 --> 00:12:12,750 kind of go along and she was the singer. And she played the 203 00:12:13,260 --> 00:12:17,760 marimba, I think, you know, they spent months on cruise ships, 204 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,470 and she really loads. She has a real mental block about getting 205 00:12:22,470 --> 00:12:25,200 on a cruise ship, because she's not a blamer, she has the idea 206 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,510 that she can't get off, she doesn't like that, that thought, 207 00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:29,850 you know, I have that same feeling about you know, they do 208 00:12:29,850 --> 00:12:33,930 a lot of events at trade shows than they, they every once in a 209 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:36,720 while somebody comes up with this crazy idea. That's we're 210 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,850 gonna do it on a boat, and you're gonna get a boat ride. I 211 00:12:38,850 --> 00:12:42,600 mean, I did the only one. I did one. The last one. I did 212 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,330 actually, when I was writing for Forbes, they take it because I 213 00:12:45,330 --> 00:12:48,990 wanted to do this anyway. But Forbes has this yacht, the 214 00:12:48,990 --> 00:12:52,440 Highlander that they like to take, you know, they take their 215 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:56,490 customers out on, you know, the advertisers. And I was wanted to 216 00:12:56,490 --> 00:12:58,320 get a ride on and they were one day they were going to do one of 217 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,110 these trips. And so I got jumped on that. And I spend most of my 218 00:13:01,110 --> 00:13:03,270 time talking to the crew, because the thing is fully 219 00:13:03,270 --> 00:13:06,150 crewed all the time, and it's got like a chef on board. 220 00:13:07,049 --> 00:13:08,279 It's a little little town. 221 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,270 And it's the ride that they give these guys is one ride around 222 00:13:12,270 --> 00:13:16,680 Manhattan Island, it takes about 45 minutes, about an hour, they 223 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:20,070 take about an hour to do it. Anyway, they zoom around, and 224 00:13:20,070 --> 00:13:22,290 then they you know, go around that Statue of Liberty and they 225 00:13:22,290 --> 00:13:26,070 can park the thing back over and whatever it wherever it is. And 226 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,250 that's a lesson but generally speaking, it's like, if you're 227 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:34,530 in the media, and somebody wants you to go to one of their boat 228 00:13:34,530 --> 00:13:37,800 trips, I just refuse to do it. Because I just like to get in 229 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,010 and out of these things. You don't want to be stuck listening 230 00:13:41,010 --> 00:13:43,380 to somebody lecturing you on a boat, you can't get 231 00:13:43,380 --> 00:13:47,280 off. And I've also found that there is always a percentage of 232 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,730 people. If you have enough of them, it always pops up no 233 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:54,570 matter how how big the boat, how slow. There's always a 234 00:13:54,570 --> 00:13:58,410 percentage of people who get seasick. And it's like, it's 235 00:13:58,410 --> 00:14:02,220 wrong. You know, it's a man I've been on really bad junkets like 236 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:05,070 that really, really, really bad weather. We're just lots of 237 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:09,030 people seasick. And I mean, seriously, and yet, still, oh, 238 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:14,850 well, we'll be back at shore in three hours. fucking dying man. 239 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:18,870 So yeah, that is a problem people get see, you know, I, I 240 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:21,180 don't normally get seasick. But I have gotten seasick a few 241 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:25,410 times. And I'll tell tend to get seasick, like on a yacht or a 242 00:14:25,410 --> 00:14:28,950 boat or anything. If I go up to the front, the really the very 243 00:14:28,980 --> 00:14:32,550 front front front part of the boat. Yeah. You know where you 244 00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:36,630 would normally go? I'm king of the world. Yeah, yeah. And it 245 00:14:36,630 --> 00:14:40,740 just mopping up just enough to cake. And once you know the 246 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:43,830 problem with getting seasick is that if you if you start to get 247 00:14:43,830 --> 00:14:47,040 seasick, you panic about it, and then it makes it worse, and then 248 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,200 you do get seasick. And it's like, embarrassing. 249 00:14:49,230 --> 00:14:52,650 I've never been seasick. I in fact, I haven't puked in 20 250 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:58,770 years. I just refuse. I don't do it. I'm a non believer. Write 251 00:14:58,770 --> 00:15:01,980 that down. Yeah, why? whole family is anti package. 252 00:15:04,019 --> 00:15:09,059 So talking about fuel travelling, I was gonna I'm 253 00:15:09,059 --> 00:15:11,759 trying to make the transition, you just blew it for me. So 254 00:15:11,789 --> 00:15:15,359 talking about travelling, I understand that your hassles 255 00:15:15,359 --> 00:15:18,209 have continued in, you're coming in and out of the country you're 256 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:20,819 telling me about and I would be interested in you because you 257 00:15:20,819 --> 00:15:22,109 found out new information? 258 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,960 Yes, I did, I found out that I'm on what's called a lookout list. 259 00:15:28,290 --> 00:15:31,380 And this lookout list is automatically or maybe we would 260 00:15:31,380 --> 00:15:35,130 say dynamically generated from something that is relatively new 261 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:39,810 about a year old called ATS, the automatic targeting system, 262 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:46,050 which is imagine a Google page rank for a terrorist threat 263 00:15:46,050 --> 00:15:51,930 rating. So it trolls from these just hundreds of databases from 264 00:15:51,930 --> 00:15:59,010 federal state and the OAS tribal level, from DMV to IRS, as a 265 00:15:59,010 --> 00:16:05,040 part of the Treasury enforcement computer system, which is 266 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:10,140 basically this big black box of information. And the ATS does 267 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:14,970 some kind of SQL query, I guess, and, and looks at, you know, 268 00:16:14,970 --> 00:16:18,150 what you what kind of different things popping up or their flags 269 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:24,480 put in or it could be anything from parking tickets to a tax 270 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,490 filing, I guess. And in a jet, it'll just pop up a flag if it 271 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:34,980 has a rating. And that, for me is going to be means automatic 272 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:38,040 secondary screening, which is different at each port of entry. 273 00:16:38,970 --> 00:16:42,600 But apparently, this system Congress a year ago specifically 274 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,930 said that they did not want this system to be to be put in place 275 00:16:45,930 --> 00:16:51,090 by Homeland Security. So there's a few there's a link that I have 276 00:16:51,090 --> 00:16:54,540 on curry.com. And also daily source code.com That goes to an 277 00:16:54,540 --> 00:16:59,520 ACLU page that explains more about that in some more detail. 278 00:16:59,850 --> 00:17:02,640 For a number of reasons. One, the information will be stored 279 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:12,180 for 40 years 402. It does not it does not it lives outside of the 280 00:17:12,180 --> 00:17:18,480 Privacy Act. So you cannot request to see your record. So 281 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,960 you can contest anything that's on it. And 282 00:17:22,049 --> 00:17:24,179 in other words, it could be just a bunch of BS in there, and 283 00:17:24,179 --> 00:17:25,079 there's nothing you can do about 284 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:28,439 it. Well, and this is just what I'm extrapolating from all the 285 00:17:28,439 --> 00:17:32,129 information I've I've received, I believe that they that that 286 00:17:32,129 --> 00:17:35,549 literally, it's a one way system only. So you know, there's some 287 00:17:35,549 --> 00:17:38,429 where there's some logic in the middle of all these databases. 288 00:17:38,729 --> 00:17:42,719 And then there's the really the display that the Customs and 289 00:17:42,719 --> 00:17:47,129 Border Protection Agency sees. And so my name is entered, and 290 00:17:47,249 --> 00:17:50,309 it gets a couple of different flags from God knows what 291 00:17:50,309 --> 00:17:53,339 different things and literally, when you look at what's attached 292 00:17:53,339 --> 00:17:57,059 to this system, it's you know, believe me, I'm in there for 293 00:17:57,059 --> 00:18:00,089 some, there's no doubt about it. Or someone could have put 294 00:18:00,089 --> 00:18:03,389 something in there about me. But yeah, but the the middleware 295 00:18:03,389 --> 00:18:06,719 kind of doesn't know where it's all coming from. It just assigns 296 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:09,149 a score, and then says, oh, wait a minute, you should talk to 297 00:18:09,149 --> 00:18:13,709 this guy. That's basically it. And I guess there's different 298 00:18:13,709 --> 00:18:17,429 levels of ratings, and there's no way to drill down to the 299 00:18:17,429 --> 00:18:20,579 information and find out where it's coming from. I mean, of 300 00:18:20,579 --> 00:18:22,979 course, if you're if you built the system, of course, there's a 301 00:18:22,979 --> 00:18:29,069 way to but apparently, there's no way for CBP to do that. And 302 00:18:29,069 --> 00:18:30,239 there's no way to change it. 303 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,330 So they based so you walk through the you come into the 304 00:18:33,330 --> 00:18:37,560 country, American citizen, I might add, you can roll it in. 305 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:40,950 And the thing is this, this, Sam, you're 306 00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:45,090 gonna know. So you walk through me I have those glass aisles as 307 00:18:45,150 --> 00:18:50,460 as it were, by and large and large, and you put on your 308 00:18:50,460 --> 00:18:55,440 passport and your landing card. And so then either he types in 309 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,980 your name or swipes the actually it's not a swipe, it's, it's 310 00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:01,470 reading an RFID chip, which is embedded in all the new 311 00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:05,790 passports. And this guy was I could already see he was one of 312 00:19:05,790 --> 00:19:08,100 those types of guys because he just sent the people in front of 313 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:10,230 me. He said, Look, this is not legible. I can't read this is 314 00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:12,570 unacceptable. Get out of here and go fill in a new one and do 315 00:19:12,570 --> 00:19:19,020 it properly. You know, one of those guys. So I put down I 316 00:19:19,020 --> 00:19:21,150 think he does. Well, you know, some of them are funny. It's 317 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:23,730 okay. And you used to be John before I was on the lookout 318 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:29,550 list. And in fact, pre pre 911 I would have to say I kind of 319 00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:31,830 enjoyed coming up to the border because it was hey, welcome 320 00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:34,080 home. Every single time 321 00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:36,810 I say what do you say welcome home welcome 322 00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:40,230 home is to curry and you feel so good when they said that I just 323 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:45,150 saying it gives me a kind of a warm feeling. And so I haven't 324 00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:49,170 gotten that for a long time. Maybe sporadically, you know, 325 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:52,800 and sometimes they'll recognise me in a man MTV guy who has 326 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,100 Martha 327 00:19:54,269 --> 00:19:57,209 so what was so you actually they get they get pretty ornery 328 00:19:57,209 --> 00:19:59,459 sometimes what were you out of the country for you know or 329 00:19:59,550 --> 00:20:05,010 well Oh, yeah, sometimes they usually asked me that usually do 330 00:20:05,010 --> 00:20:08,460 but anyway, when the guy says, Hey, you ever have any problems 331 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:12,300 get into the country? I said, Yeah, like, every single time 332 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:15,300 for the past four goes he said, Why would today be any 333 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:20,760 different? said There you go. And he said, Come with me and so 334 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,220 that he gets out of his booth. I follow him. He takes me to 335 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:26,880 secondary, which is a different a second secondary room with 336 00:20:26,910 --> 00:20:31,080 kind of like, you know, like DMV, basically, with chairs and 337 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,030 a high desk. And then he hands 338 00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:36,480 me she's not a high desk. I like to hide desks. Yeah, nice touch. 339 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,200 Yeah. Oh, it's very authoritative. And but it's 340 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,010 still kind of like, you know, there's it's kind of messy. It's 341 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:48,000 grimy, right. It's all kinds of shit stuck on the wall yet 342 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,690 style. Right? Very Soviet style. And then and then you're told to 343 00:20:51,690 --> 00:20:55,320 sit down and you know, the guys bringing up your info. And then 344 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,310 he says, okay, Adam curry and then Yep. And there's, there's 345 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:02,550 people there, you know, this British couple and, and all 346 00:21:02,550 --> 00:21:07,380 kinds of real mix, not, you know, not specifically, what you 347 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:13,080 might expect terrorists looking folk. And then, and then, you 348 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,180 know, he just starts to ask me all kinds of questions. And from 349 00:21:15,180 --> 00:21:18,480 his questioning, I can tell that he's just probing he there's 350 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,110 nothing specifically that he's looking for. He's just trying to 351 00:21:22,110 --> 00:21:25,950 figure out if I stumble over something, or if I if I say 352 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:29,790 something weird, you know, he's it's very basic interrogation 353 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:32,790 tactics. And, you know, Hey, you didn't put the address of your 354 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:36,570 hotel, you just put Palace Hotel, said, Oh, well, hold on. 355 00:21:36,570 --> 00:21:40,680 So I pull up my phone, and I look at the agenda. So it's 455. 356 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,020 Madison, he says, is that a phone? What's the what's the 357 00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:45,240 number? Yeah, so I give him the number. And, you know, he's 358 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,520 like, You got a business card? I was prepared for this one, you 359 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,890 know, so yes, well, here it is. You already have a couple, you 360 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:52,950 can add this to your collection. But you know, so he's asking 361 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:55,140 these questions. And he's writing it down with a ballpoint 362 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:57,660 pen on a piece of paper, or like, you know, on a forum or 363 00:21:57,660 --> 00:22:01,320 anything, as soon as it goes in the can after it's done. 364 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,750 Exactly. It's so it's total horse. Okay, sit down. All 365 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:08,190 right. So sit down. And then a little while later, okay. And 366 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:10,680 he's written on my, yeah, you can go and he's written on my 367 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,550 board and card E and F, which I guess stands for enforce or 368 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:19,110 whatever. And so I get my bag, which has been twirling around 369 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:24,330 for 30 minutes now. All lonely, and then I you know, then you 370 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:27,270 still have to go through and hand off your, your landing card 371 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,270 slash customs form. And of course, you know, they're 372 00:22:30,270 --> 00:22:33,840 immediately you know, it's like, okay, go over to that line 373 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,530 behind the glass. And then I get another guy assigned to me. And 374 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:40,050 he goes through exactly the same questions while he's going 375 00:22:40,050 --> 00:22:42,660 through my luggage. And I but I mean, like, opening up 376 00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:46,560 envelopes, you know, looking at addresses, checking, you know, 377 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,590 just the general stuff and continuously asking questions. 378 00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:53,850 And this first guy was kind of funny. I was sad, actually. I 379 00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:57,240 mean, he, he really was getting nowhere with me. And he started 380 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,950 to stutter, and it got really, really bad. And he just couldn't 381 00:23:01,950 --> 00:23:05,490 ask the questions anymore. And I'm like, oh, man, I don't want 382 00:23:05,490 --> 00:23:08,850 to crack up, this is gonna be fucked up. And luckily, he you 383 00:23:08,850 --> 00:23:11,610 know, he called over one of his colleagues and said, I've got to 384 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,780 go over there, you know, you take over the secondary. And 385 00:23:15,780 --> 00:23:18,870 then this guy started asking the same questions, you know, and 386 00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:22,080 then empty out your pockets and just fishing around for stuff. 387 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,520 And then finally, it's like, okay, you can go. So in all 388 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,690 about an hour and a half. 389 00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:31,200 Well, that's a waste of time on February. That's a waste of the 390 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,750 government's money as a matter of fact, but let's go over this. 391 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:36,030 And you said that the last time you went through this process, 392 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:37,950 they weren't going through your bags, or they did some 393 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:40,230 superficial thing, are they going through your bags more? 394 00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:42,000 More now? Is that? 395 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,239 I think it depends on because this has happened to me now at 396 00:23:45,239 --> 00:23:52,139 three airports in Chicago. There you know, I was picked I was met 397 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:56,759 right at the at the jetway, and but the guy knew me like MTV guy 398 00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:57,359 knew me. 399 00:23:57,630 --> 00:24:00,810 Until we were met at the jetway. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You mean 400 00:24:00,810 --> 00:24:03,990 you're coming off the plane? There's guys waiting to grab 401 00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:04,110 you. 402 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:09,780 Like, absolutely. And I can tell they're waiting for me because 403 00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:11,790 they made one of those announcements. Ladies and 404 00:24:11,790 --> 00:24:15,720 gentlemen, please have your passports out because the TSA 405 00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:18,720 will be looking at your passports as you come as you 406 00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:23,340 exit the jetway. And so I had my passport out. And then you know, 407 00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:26,160 I showed it to one of the agents female agent, she said, Yep, 408 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,070 this is one curry. And then there was another guy and he 409 00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:32,610 took my passport and I was like, oh, cool, man. I'm getting like 410 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:35,160 VIP treatment. Yeah, I'm walking through all the lines. 411 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:39,120 Experienced and I'm walking through your gal. That's 412 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,810 hilarious. Oh, this is awesome. And and then he takes me he 413 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:46,140 said, Who says Go ahead, go get your Go get your luggage. And so 414 00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:49,170 he's asking me questions, you know, but pretty harmless. He 415 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:52,920 clearly knew who I was. And, you know, he made his assessment 416 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:57,090 pretty early. And then he said okay, now you can go and then he 417 00:24:57,090 --> 00:25:00,570 actually I was in the terminal building had pass through the 418 00:25:00,570 --> 00:25:03,720 sliding doors. And he said, Adam, Adam, Adam, dude, I'm 419 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,210 sorry. But I am required to look through your bag. So you got to 420 00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:12,660 come back. And so I went back, like he had, like someone had 421 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:15,000 told him off or something. And so, you know, I had to go back 422 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,940 through the doors. And he didn't really do a wholehearted search, 423 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:23,070 but he went through the motions of opening stuff up. And then it 424 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:26,850 happened twice in San Francisco. And I think it's really the 425 00:25:26,850 --> 00:25:30,060 resources because at Liberty airport in Newark, you know, 426 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:33,030 they've got a pretty big staff, you know, it's it's well 427 00:25:33,030 --> 00:25:39,000 equipped, San Francisco was much smaller, and Chicago. I think, 428 00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:42,450 you know, I just got a different it that may be maybe really 429 00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:45,300 fucked up. But just because the guy knew me, I kind of got a 430 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:49,140 semi semi secondary treatment by and large, 431 00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:54,810 by and large. So, this is an interesting developing story, I 432 00:25:54,810 --> 00:25:59,250 have to say, the you, you versus the TSA. Well, and 433 00:25:59,250 --> 00:26:02,460 it's well, it's actually Homeland Security. TSA has very 434 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:03,540 little to do with it, 435 00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:05,670 though. Okay, you're right. I'm sorry that TSA has got nothing 436 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:08,580 to do with it. It's the customs and immigration people. Yeah, 437 00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:08,790 it's 438 00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:13,680 CBP. So it's Customs and Border Protection Agency, right. Who 439 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,110 are a Division of Homeland Security. 440 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,129 I wonder what it says on the on the computer screen? You know, I 441 00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:22,679 mean, just like a private Oh, this guy's your rate rated 442 00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:25,949 number three, you get grilled? Take him aside and ask him these 443 00:26:25,949 --> 00:26:28,289 questions. Yes, it's just a standard thing they do with 444 00:26:28,289 --> 00:26:30,599 everybody that comes up with that flag. Yeah, I 445 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,930 think it's pretty low level because there's no they're not 446 00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:37,380 looking for anything specific that I know for sure. And you 447 00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:45,720 know, there's no body search. So maybe that's coming. Oh, joy. 448 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,200 Oh, joy. I was gonna say think 449 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,850 you're a smuggler? Maybe. You can't be can't be It can't be a 450 00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:56,700 terrorist thing. Because you know, why not? Doesn't make any. 451 00:26:57,630 --> 00:27:03,420 Please look at yourself. You're a blonde guy. Well, maybe 452 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:06,570 Amsterdam, that maybe it's I think it's either smuggling. I 453 00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:08,910 mean, you lived in Amsterdam for a long time. You know, 454 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,509 I'll tell you, I'll tell you. When I had my old passport, I 455 00:27:12,509 --> 00:27:17,399 got a new one, maybe a year ago, which could also have something 456 00:27:17,399 --> 00:27:19,679 to do with it, because my old one certainly didn't have the 457 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:26,819 RFID chip in it. But it had all kinds of visa stamps and, and 458 00:27:26,819 --> 00:27:32,069 stuck in paper visas for Kuwait and Iraq. That probably didn't 459 00:27:32,069 --> 00:27:35,639 help if they were inputting information. Based upon that. 460 00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:37,559 You know, that's a possibility. 461 00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:42,930 Oh, you had a you had a visa to Iraq. Yeah, I 462 00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:47,190 went to Iraq in 2003. For 10 days. Yeah. 463 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,530 Well, there you go. That's the whole thing right there. 464 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,500 But it was, but that'd be it. Maybe, but I don't but that's 465 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:55,920 not. That's not on this new passport. But maybe, maybe this 466 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,380 time, I bet. Maybe they couldn't track me until then. 467 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:02,880 I don't know. I bet you bet you bet it's in the system. 468 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,959 Could be could be or maybe just because I keep saying on my show 469 00:28:06,959 --> 00:28:10,019 skull. Fuck the rotting corpse of the TSA make, could that have 470 00:28:10,019 --> 00:28:10,619 anything to do with 471 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:14,220 it? Something anybody from the TSA listens to this show? Live 472 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:14,550 just 473 00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:18,900 about that for one second. So once again, I'm leaving Newark 474 00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:23,010 Liberty airport. And I'm always observing the and that, of 475 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:25,140 course, is the TSA. You know, first of all, you have that 476 00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:28,770 nuclear programme. I just can't believe that they're actually 477 00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:32,670 trying to get people to freely give away their retinal scan and 478 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:35,820 fingerprints to the government. Fantastic idea. And then you're 479 00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:41,880 clear. And then I look at these idiots, total idiots who are 480 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,500 running airport security. And I literally I could see these poor 481 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:50,760 saps these guys who had bought, you know, perfume and all kinds 482 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,910 of nice gifts for their wives or going back home. And they bought 483 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:56,610 them duty free right there at the airport. And you can 484 00:28:56,610 --> 00:29:00,630 literally see these women going on. Sorry. No, that's see that's 485 00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:03,600 110 millilitres, you can't take that on board. So you're gonna 486 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,900 have to dispose of that here. Like she has. They're taking 487 00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:11,010 that home with them. And that it's why are there no 488 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:17,100 journalists signing up to become TSA and reporting on it? Because 489 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:20,400 I have to believe these people are the same idiots who were 490 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,340 doing airport security 15 years ago, before, you know, when when 491 00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:29,280 we were laughing about them then I don't know where they get 492 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,340 these people from, but they're total nincompoops. 493 00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:38,310 Well, you know, I think that I actually admire these folks. I 494 00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:46,350 want everyone out there to know that I, by the way, I just had 495 00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:50,130 nothing to do with his commentary. So the reason that 496 00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:52,380 journalists you know what I'm thinking the reason journalists 497 00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:56,460 won't do that and they could, is that they'll end up in get mo 498 00:29:57,900 --> 00:30:02,400 Okay, that's a good point. That's enough point. 499 00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:05,430 You know, I mean, there's one guy, there's a thing on PBS or 500 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:09,000 one of the stations recently some guy who went around some 501 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,750 writer, I think it was out of Chicago, where he was out of I 502 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:15,420 can't remember. But anyway, he was people out there probably 503 00:30:15,420 --> 00:30:19,470 seeing this. And we went out and he did a kind of an expose a on 504 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,650 how insecure or unsecured our railway system is, when it comes 505 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:28,140 to like shipping hazardous material and how the summit goes 506 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:30,180 right through New York, and you could put a bomb on one of these 507 00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:32,640 things and blow it up in the middle of the city, and, you 508 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,050 know, chlorine gas and half the population. Right? So So he went 509 00:30:37,050 --> 00:30:40,530 to, I'm sorry, the report, he went around with this business 510 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:42,750 car, and he stuck it all over these things as though they were 511 00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:45,150 bombs, you know, but it weren't. And then he wrote it up. And 512 00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:47,940 then he got nothing but hate mail from everybody's, and 513 00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:50,430 you're just given the terrorists, more ideas and blah, 514 00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:52,650 blah, blah, like these terrorists, you know, under 515 00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:55,380 everybody's bed, the communist threat of the 50s. Alright, 516 00:30:55,409 --> 00:30:59,909 so on that note, you know, I will say that, indeed, if 517 00:30:59,909 --> 00:31:04,259 everything was secured, and we had this type of, even at a 518 00:31:04,259 --> 00:31:07,049 minimum level, this type of security for all of the threats, 519 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,659 then I would buy into it, that someone's actually trying to 520 00:31:09,659 --> 00:31:13,319 protect us. And I wouldn't mind airport security if it was done 521 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:17,129 properly, you know, twice on the way out and the way back, and I 522 00:31:17,129 --> 00:31:20,339 tried it, I've got a bag, you've seen this bag that I have, 523 00:31:20,339 --> 00:31:22,949 right, John? Yeah, the bag, the rolling bag with everything in 524 00:31:22,949 --> 00:31:26,339 it, everything in it. And it's got transmitters and wireless 525 00:31:26,339 --> 00:31:30,719 microphones that I have hairspray, of course, I've got, 526 00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:35,399 you know, tonnes of wires and extra batteries and all this 527 00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:42,329 shit. And this bag never gets opened, ever. Ever. They never 528 00:31:42,329 --> 00:31:45,689 opened the bag, and they'll look at it, and they're gonna, and 529 00:31:45,689 --> 00:31:48,809 they're just and I'm like, I certainly have enough shit in 530 00:31:48,809 --> 00:31:51,269 there to do something. I'm sure I could MacGyver something 531 00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:55,619 together. You know? So I don't know, it just just makes no 532 00:31:55,619 --> 00:31:55,799 sense. 533 00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:58,980 It's just it sounds more like you're being harassed. Rather 534 00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:01,680 than anybody really cares to find anything that's of 535 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,340 interest. Let's 536 00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:03,750 see, I don't believe that the 537 00:32:03,869 --> 00:32:06,899 maybe you come up with an H, harass this guy getting in and 538 00:32:06,899 --> 00:32:10,469 then give a score saying we want him delayed for at least an hour 539 00:32:10,469 --> 00:32:11,219 and a half? 540 00:32:11,609 --> 00:32:17,879 I don't think so I can really see that. It's a very clear 541 00:32:17,879 --> 00:32:20,459 instruction that they really just don't know what to do with 542 00:32:20,459 --> 00:32:23,399 me. And I think it's just like, you know, just talk to the guy 543 00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:26,279 and see what's going on. They're not harassing me that I think 544 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:28,859 they're doing their job. And you know, and they're doing it 545 00:32:28,889 --> 00:32:32,099 pretty well. It's just the system is stupid and redundant. 546 00:32:32,099 --> 00:32:34,619 You know, I have to answer the same questions three times just 547 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:38,129 to get out of the building. But I don't think it's harassment. 548 00:32:38,639 --> 00:32:42,239 It's just an inefficient system. And you know, if, if there's a 549 00:32:42,239 --> 00:32:44,339 reason for me to pop up on the screen yet, of course, you 550 00:32:44,339 --> 00:32:47,609 should ask me, but I think that there should be a way to say, 551 00:32:47,609 --> 00:32:51,209 Okay, we've talked to the guy, he's clear, you know, let's just 552 00:32:51,209 --> 00:32:52,409 check them off, you know? 553 00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:57,090 Well, I guess for the next 40 years coming in and out of the 554 00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:58,140 USA, you're gonna 555 00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:00,420 be you don't want to travel with me? 556 00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:07,440 No, definitely not. That's, that's for sure. Yeah, well, 557 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,710 whatever the case is, it's I'm sure, we'll get more anecdotes, 558 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:14,010 because it's gonna get funnier over time. So what do you guys 559 00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:17,010 think? And anything? Anything in the news you've seen? That's 560 00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:17,760 interesting that Yeah, 561 00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:22,710 yeah, I think so. I'm trying to wrap my head around it. You 562 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:25,110 know, the only newspaper I read is The Financial Times. And I 563 00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:28,380 thought they they did a pretty good job of covering this. But 564 00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:32,280 I'm still trying to extrapolate it into a conversational topic, 565 00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:35,220 this move that all the central banks made earlier this week. 566 00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:40,320 Did you follow that? No. Okay. So I've become interested in 567 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,800 central banks ever since I kind of found out that, you know, the 568 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,670 Federal Reserve was created in 1913, with the power to print 569 00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:51,210 the US dollar, but that it's not a, you know, it's as federal as 570 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:55,230 Federal Express, basically, that it's a commercial entity and 571 00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:59,430 commercial banks, you know, like, Oppenheimer, and 572 00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:03,600 what are the everybody's in on the deal? Yeah, all 573 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,149 everyone who's in on the deal? Give me another name. And 574 00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:11,039 another one of those. Oh, yeah, names. By and large, please help 575 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:15,329 me. Anyway. So I've become interested in central banking 576 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:18,029 and how they make money and how it works. And a lot of it has to 577 00:34:18,029 --> 00:34:21,419 do with the overnight storage of money and how you basically can 578 00:34:21,749 --> 00:34:25,469 keep lending out the same capital over and over again. 579 00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:29,999 And, you know, so that so there's this credit crunch, this 580 00:34:29,999 --> 00:34:35,159 credit crisis has caused a big problem in the banking world. 581 00:34:35,969 --> 00:34:39,479 And so maybe I'll just tell you what happened. I think it was 582 00:34:39,509 --> 00:34:44,639 Wednesday, the central banks for the first time and I think known 583 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:49,289 history, all coordinated the same offer to all of the banks 584 00:34:49,289 --> 00:34:53,459 around the world at the same time, in kind of, like a cartel 585 00:34:53,459 --> 00:34:56,999 fashion to essentially stabilise the markets because I think 586 00:34:56,999 --> 00:35:01,439 what's so you didn't hear about this John? No. Okay, so I think 587 00:35:01,439 --> 00:35:01,679 when 588 00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:04,500 you're I am a writer for market watch that I missed this one. I 589 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,450 don't know, Mac, probably you may have heard about it in 590 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:08,520 passing, and I didn't pay much attention to it, but go on. 591 00:35:08,580 --> 00:35:09,030 Well, I 592 00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:12,600 hope I'm explaining it properly. But this is just fascinated me, 593 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,790 you know, this this credit crunch. And you know how 594 00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:18,330 Northern Rock has been temporarily bailed out by UK 595 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,490 taxpayer money? 25 billion pounds? And there's no anyway. 596 00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:26,730 So I think what has happened that, you know, all these banks 597 00:35:26,730 --> 00:35:29,430 are basically trading with each other all day. And I'm not 598 00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:32,160 talking about the stock market. I mean, I'm talking about stuff 599 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,180 like derivatives. Yeah, well, let me just explain a derivative 600 00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:40,230 real briefly, just the simplest form of swap derivative is 601 00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:45,900 where, let's say I have 500,000 pounds, sitting in a bank 602 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,990 account here, and John has a million dollars, and I'm looking 603 00:35:48,990 --> 00:35:52,740 to spend a million dollars or borrow a million dollars in the 604 00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:56,220 States. And as collateral, and I'm going to be matched up by a 605 00:35:56,220 --> 00:36:01,110 bank, someone looking for the equal amount in pounds. And so 606 00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:03,480 we don't actually transfer the money saving all kinds of 607 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,080 foreign exchange fees, etc. But we build a, you know, we sign a 608 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,920 contract, essentially. So that's a lot of what this is. And I 609 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:16,590 think that all these banks have become really afraid that no 610 00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:19,620 one's you know, that no one's really good for the credit, you 611 00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:21,930 know, so if there's a time to cash in and say, oh, wait a 612 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:24,570 minute, by the way, I need to call that loan for half a 613 00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:28,620 million pounds, that it was based on some shady structured 614 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:33,990 investment vehicles known as you know, subprime debt. And what 615 00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:36,990 the central bank said is they said, you know, what, we're 616 00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:44,640 going to put up a month long loan 10 billion, I think dollars 617 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,600 in total. And we're going to do another one in a month after 618 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,650 that another 10 billion. And we'll lend that to any of you 619 00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:58,530 guys. So that you'll have really real guaranteed equity to trade 620 00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:02,310 against to continue trading. And, of course, none of the bad 621 00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:05,100 and this is the interesting part, none of the banks would be 622 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:09,150 the first to take a loan from the central bank, because then 623 00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:11,250 it would basically be saying, hey, those guys are in trouble, 624 00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:14,790 they need money. So they came up with this brilliant plan of a 625 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:19,530 blind auction, where in the auction, no bank can get more 626 00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:23,340 than 10% of the total 10 billion being made available. And that's 627 00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:25,980 basically, I think, bullshit, because probably only 10 banks 628 00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:29,100 that really need the money anyway. So everyone's gonna get 629 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,060 a billion dollars. And it's, it's for a month and so for a 630 00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:38,850 month trading can resume. And it this is a very interesting, I 631 00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:41,580 think, a very interesting phenomenon that's taking place 632 00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:46,230 where, you know, something has shifted so phenomenally that for 633 00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:50,010 the first time in history, these the central banks have have 634 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,600 banded together to stabilise their system, which directly 635 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,000 doesn't really affect your eye that you know, they're they're, 636 00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:58,530 they're running their own fucking show. 637 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:06,570 So I'm guessing that during that story that you just told five to 638 00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:10,050 six listeners committed suicide. 639 00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:16,290 Was it that boring? I'm sorry. 640 00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:20,460 So I 641 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:24,240 was it that boring? I'm sorry. I thought that was really 642 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:24,810 interesting. 643 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:27,900 Yeah, no, because you're a rich guy that has all this money you 644 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,390 have to deal with, you know, its value. Now, 645 00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:33,540 what are you talking about? It's about the dollar. It's about, 646 00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:35,730 you know, it's about your current your power to 647 00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:38,670 the whole system, that I just look, I just see the whole 648 00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:41,460 system is rigged. And I know there's a bunch of weird stuff 649 00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:43,470 that goes on in the back rooms, and it's all you know, there's 650 00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:47,250 all for somebody's benefit. Generally speaking, it's the 651 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:51,090 American public does benefit in some long term sense, you know, 652 00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:55,800 at least the country seems to be not falling apart completely. 653 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,290 But anyway, okay. Well, let me look into it. So we can we can 654 00:39:01,290 --> 00:39:04,470 maybe discuss this more in detail next week when I'm more 655 00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:08,280 faqeer Murray. Thanks, Joe. Here's this here's the story 656 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,570 that I thought was interesting. 657 00:39:10,499 --> 00:39:12,689 In contrast to my piece of shit story, 658 00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:16,080 which was it then we have this on the blog, by the way to 659 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:23,070 work.org/blog. Mitt Romney's VC firm to bi Clear Channel. Did 660 00:39:23,070 --> 00:39:24,270 you see this story coming? Oh, 661 00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,030 no, I was too busy paying attention to derivatives. 662 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,670 I didn't realise that Romney was an associate or guest one of the 663 00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:35,370 guys that runs Bain Capital. 664 00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:40,920 Yeah, no, he's he's a successful dude when it comes to wealth 665 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,580 creation. 666 00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:44,640 So the thinking it looks like these guys are gonna couple of 667 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,350 these companies, you know, these big these are these 668 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:49,890 privatisation guys, right? These big companies KKR being one of 669 00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:52,320 the more that I profile, 670 00:39:52,350 --> 00:39:54,480 they're the leveraged buyout firms. 671 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,660 Yeah, they've been buying stuff left and right all over the 672 00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:58,620 place. And 673 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,100 their plan is to buy clear, cheap Um, yeah. And then watch 674 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:05,520 it split it up after Clear Channel basically was a? 675 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,820 Well, if you read some of the conspiracy blogs, the reason you 676 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,370 do this is so you can start promoting Romney for President? 677 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,750 Well, obviously there's a huge issue with the ownership direct 678 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:18,480 or indirect there's a huge conflict of interest. That's 679 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,110 obvious. 680 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,670 I don't think it's a conflict of interest. Where's the conflict 681 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:29,700 of interest? Romney's wants to be president he by some some. 682 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:33,210 Aren't there rules against that? 683 00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:36,720 Well, I think all those rules have been putting the band's 684 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,630 years ago. I mean, they let you know, they were almost going to 685 00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:44,460 let one company on every media outlet in one city, you when you 686 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:51,810 had that crazy Powell running the the EPS, the FCC? I don't. I 687 00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:54,570 don't think there's any thing to prevent that I don't think it's 688 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,800 illegal. I saw 689 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,920 on television when I was in New York, that there's rumours now 690 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,180 Bloomberg is going to join the presidential race. 691 00:41:03,659 --> 00:41:07,409 His name keeps cropping up, but it gets a button. A lot of times 692 00:41:07,409 --> 00:41:09,269 it keeps cropping up as a Democrat. 693 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,690 Yeah. As as a Democrat. Yeah. 694 00:41:12,809 --> 00:41:16,499 Isn't he a Republican? I don't know. What's What was my 695 00:41:16,499 --> 00:41:20,819 understanding? It was maybe I'm wrong. But you know, the 696 00:41:20,819 --> 00:41:24,479 Democrat race is falling apart. I mean, Hillary is just starting 697 00:41:24,479 --> 00:41:28,229 to dwindle. And nobody really wants Obama in there. 698 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,610 I think I think part I think part of this is it's fatigue. 699 00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:36,390 Man, it's very hard to run a campaign for this long, you 700 00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:37,080 know, they started 701 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,010 keepsake. That's why I keep telling people that McCain is 702 00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:44,400 still in the race as the Dark Horse because in the long race 703 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,090 has been to the track. Those horses that are lingering in the 704 00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:50,550 back there. They're the ones who come when you get around that 705 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:53,340 last turn, turn bam, just like 706 00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:57,180 Ron Cole, you watch the Ron Paul blimp is now flying, John. 707 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,290 Well, you know, Ron Paul is going to be again, you know, 708 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,580 based on my conception of everything's rigged. Ron Paul is 709 00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:08,580 going to be derailed by the powers that be they're not gonna 710 00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:15,090 let him run for president ever. It's not gonna happen. I'm not 711 00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:17,610 gonna have some dirt on him or something. I mean, they're just 712 00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:19,620 waiting. There's no, there's no dirt on this 713 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:22,980 guy. You don't think they haven't tried? There's nothing 714 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:24,900 this guy is square and boring. 715 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:28,800 Well, they're going to do something to them, then maybe 716 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,170 they'll do what they did. You know, the thing that's always 717 00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:35,100 kind of fascinated me, and I've never heard any follow up to the 718 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,070 story. And everyone just says, well, the guy was nutty. So what 719 00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:40,320 difference does it make? It's not true stories, probably bull 720 00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:44,250 was when Ross Perot ran for president. And he was like, he 721 00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:46,770 kept upsetting, you know, I mean, it was one of the reasons 722 00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:50,100 Clinton got in, because this guy is a third party candidate was 723 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,800 changing the, you know, the way they're supposed to work, which 724 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,720 is, you know, you got two parties that, you know, swap 725 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,930 sides every once in a while. And it's you don't want to have 726 00:42:57,930 --> 00:43:00,510 three parties because the system's not equipped to make it 727 00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:06,150 work. So you had to get this guy out. So he quit the president 728 00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:08,850 show race. I think it is the second trial he's going to do 729 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:13,200 and he says it's because he claims at some group or some 730 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,900 body or somebody high up in the government, right? And wasn't 731 00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:19,620 it? Yeah, it was threatened. Yeah. Him and his family were 732 00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:23,550 threatened in some way by some black ops operation of some 733 00:43:23,550 --> 00:43:27,090 sort. And that was all just you know, it was get kind of floated 734 00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:29,520 through the news system. And then it came out the other end 735 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,340 and he quit and and nobody knew there was never any follow up. 736 00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:36,240 It was everybody kind of reported or assumed it was like, 737 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,390 well, that guy's nuts. Yeah, but he was a crackpot. 738 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:41,580 Now he wasn't. And you know what? I think Huckabee is being 739 00:43:41,580 --> 00:43:42,810 set up in the same way. 740 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,880 That could be I don't really have much. Yeah. 741 00:43:48,539 --> 00:43:52,049 No fundraising happening. It's, you know, the Chuck Norris 742 00:43:52,049 --> 00:43:57,299 thing. Great, very cute. Great idea. You saw that, right? Yeah. 743 00:43:58,499 --> 00:44:01,559 But otherwise, I don't know, man. It just feels like a total 744 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:05,669 setup. But with these campaigns being so incredibly long, I 745 00:44:05,669 --> 00:44:09,299 think that you're gonna see all the the press is just going to 746 00:44:09,299 --> 00:44:12,479 be looking for stuff that they can turn into nutty. You know, 747 00:44:12,479 --> 00:44:15,839 so that's why I like the Ron Paul blimp idea, because they'll 748 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:17,909 have nothing they'll be Oh, finally something else to report 749 00:44:17,909 --> 00:44:18,599 on God. 750 00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:22,830 Yeah, well, that's probably true. And I do think that the 751 00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:25,350 campaign's too long and I think it is a long race and that's why 752 00:44:25,350 --> 00:44:29,130 I still think that McCain is not out of it. And he seems to be 753 00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:32,340 the most relaxed candidate. He doesn't you know, he's not 754 00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:35,670 panicking, you know, which I think we're starting to witness 755 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:39,810 with Hillary especially I don't know what's going to happen with 756 00:44:39,810 --> 00:44:44,760 these these early primaries, but when the first wave of primaries 757 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,640 hits of the big wave that happens, I guess in February 758 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,270 whenever California and all the rest of them do have a big day. 759 00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:55,470 You know, one of the reasons I think people overlook I've said 760 00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:58,170 this before, which is one of the reasons they keep changing a lot 761 00:44:58,170 --> 00:45:02,820 of these the way this is done is The media itself, especially in 762 00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:05,910 California, when we had a late primary we had to move it up 763 00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:09,120 because because we weren't getting the media money, there's 764 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,120 billions of dollars in these campaign coffers and it goes and 765 00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:16,170 then that money goes to the TV stations and the media outlets 766 00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:19,230 the newspapers and everybody in this is all advertising dollars 767 00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:21,630 that we don't want to lose clear champion if you're not 768 00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:24,870 important, you know, because the race has already been figured 769 00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:28,410 out. And then the primary comes to California nobody cares who 770 00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:31,470 wins because it's already been won by somebody. All those 771 00:45:31,470 --> 00:45:35,670 billions of dollars none of it comes into our our coffers. The 772 00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:37,200 whole thing is it is rigged. 773 00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:40,740 It is but it's just rigged to everybody's advantage. 774 00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:45,630 Well, yeah, well the thing is, it's up for the public in 775 00:45:45,630 --> 00:45:46,170 general we how 776 00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:49,770 can we don't get any of that political money spent on 777 00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:50,910 podcasting and shit? 778 00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:57,420 I think they need to be I don't know, I there's probably there 779 00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:01,050 probably is as a conduit sales conduit that's that's just 780 00:46:01,050 --> 00:46:05,310 specialises in this sort of ad sales. Yeah, that we don't have. 781 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,880 We don't have anybody that that knows it. You know, the one of 782 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,710 the things you run into when you're in publishing, or 783 00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:14,940 broadcasting or anything like that, the sales groups tend to 784 00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:18,390 be, you know, they salespeople move from company to company to 785 00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:24,060 company, and they tend to have the same shared Rolodex. So if 786 00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:27,480 you're, if you're working in a tech like with that PC Magazine, 787 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,190 for example, the the salespeople a PC Magazine, pretty much have 788 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:36,120 the same Rolodex that they've had 20 years ago, in the same 789 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,130 database. And when you work there, you know, you knew all 790 00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:43,200 you also, you make a copy, you add your couple of contacts in 791 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,480 there, and you you pull out the whole database, and you when you 792 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,760 go to the next company, you take it with you, but it's still 793 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,500 tends to be, you know, within kind of a click, if you're in 794 00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:56,370 broadcasting network versus local or whatever, it's the same 795 00:46:56,370 --> 00:46:58,680 kind of thing. They have their, you know, the people that 796 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,110 they've been selling to over the years, and they obviously won't 797 00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:05,370 have the same Intel contact or AMD contact if they even have 798 00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:08,850 one in a broadcasting environment than they do in a in 799 00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:12,720 a magazine publishing environment. Now that said, the 800 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:16,170 context involved with getting money from these campaigns 801 00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:19,500 obviously, we don't have them 802 00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:22,080 Well, I'll tell you that it wouldn't work it wouldn't work 803 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:28,290 because I know that the producers would just have a 804 00:47:28,290 --> 00:47:32,820 really hard time with taking political advertising because it 805 00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:36,360 you know it because it's not really a station right? And each 806 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,690 show is its own show even though they're part of the pod show 807 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:43,950 network. And if you get like a Rudy do I wouldn't want to Rudy 808 00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:46,080 Giuliani ad run running in front of my show 809 00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:50,520 well that's one of the problems that's probably where you're not 810 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:56,580 gonna get one now that said blogs do get a lot of political 811 00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:00,510 ads and a lot of them run through Google Adsense Yeah, cuz 812 00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:04,620 I tracked us on the divorce.org/blog blog obviously 813 00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:07,620 and every once a while fed yesterday we hit the blog and 814 00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:11,700 there's an ad for Ann Coulter I'm going Oh, brother, you can 815 00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:14,370 you can block that now. You can change that can Yeah, yeah. No, 816 00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:17,820 you can block it but it usually the only ones I block are the 817 00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:19,740 ones that I find really annoying. And they come up a 818 00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:22,110 lot. Yeah, if I don't see it again. 819 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,780 I probably won't. And those are the moneymakers. Those are the 820 00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:25,800 moneymakers, John 821 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:34,950 but the but the early what is the earliest punch the monkey so 822 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:38,130 I got a letter from a kid sibling find it. Who told me 823 00:48:38,130 --> 00:48:42,210 because I was writing or complaining about root. You know 824 00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:43,020 the word and 825 00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:44,820 I heard you I heard you talk about 826 00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:47,310 the kids. The kid that went in with a part of that letter I 827 00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:50,250 didn't read he says you know this is a young guy obviously he 828 00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:53,430 says it's not punched a monkey it slapped the monkey now it's 829 00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:56,670 punch the monkey. I know but he doesn't realise that he thought 830 00:48:56,670 --> 00:48:58,080 it was a reference to you know, 831 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,820 Peter Gabriel I don't know shocked the monkey 832 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:06,780 whatever the case was it I just thought it was amusing. But 833 00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:10,290 anyway the first political ad I saw on the blog ever was the 834 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,240 McCain ads that came out right away and now by just hitting the 835 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:20,580 blog and there is an brahminy in 2008 ad ran it's got to take 836 00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:22,980 take out and he's got a big picture of Romney who looks a 837 00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:26,700 little too much like treat Williams for my taste. You know 838 00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:29,100 who always played he was the actor always plays the good 839 00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:34,380 looking evil guy. Yeah, you know, I always thought treat 840 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:37,200 will treat rooms is getting a little old now. But, but in his 841 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,600 heyday, he was never He was always under utilised because he 842 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,840 played a terrific evil businessman. I mean, it was like 843 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,000 Joe was worth watching him because he'd always get the girl 844 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,530 and he was just a bad person. And but didn't Romney has that 845 00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:55,950 same look, which is just slightly slightly creepy. 846 00:49:56,010 --> 00:49:58,380 It probably doesn't matter who wins anyway, then I'm running 847 00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:58,890 the show. 848 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,120 Well, the guy that it's a system, the guy 849 00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:05,610 the guys with the boring story, they're running the show. 850 00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:11,820 Anyway, so anything else? No man we've way that we've depressed 851 00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:14,700 the users I mean are their listeners are like all going 852 00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:16,110 God, what is wrong with these two? 853 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,320 Alright, I'll just say I'm actually very vibrant and full 854 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,440 of life today after I looked at the calendar, I had not flown 855 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,060 for two months. And even though it's not great weather today in 856 00:50:27,060 --> 00:50:30,330 the UK, I went out to the airfield, you know, walked 857 00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:32,970 around the plane, you know, did all the little you know, like, 858 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,110 you have to counter turn the the prop seven times to get some oil 859 00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:39,780 into the cylinders. It has been standing still a long time and 860 00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:42,870 then you get in, you turn the key, and it comes to life 861 00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:45,420 immediately. And I just flew down to the south coast and back 862 00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:49,350 and it's hard to explain, but that really makes me feel alive. 863 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:57,030 Okay, how about you just got up a little while ago, and I was I 864 00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:58,890 got up a little while ago, we just up 865 00:50:58,890 --> 00:51:00,300 and about, I was buying 866 00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:05,580 that by and large. All right, John, I don't know I, you know, 867 00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:07,410 I'm gonna go shopping, I think we're gonna do some Christmas 868 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:07,950 shopping, 869 00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:09,960 I haven't even started that's this week, I'm gonna do 870 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,740 Christmas shopping, 871 00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:15,120 I did get a good bottle of a quality vinegar that they were 872 00:51:16,050 --> 00:51:19,200 selling in a close out price yesterday, I felt real good 873 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,620 about that. I'm so happy for you. And then what I always like 874 00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:25,410 to do is get a good white wine vinegar, I make my own vinegar 875 00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:27,600 too. But I don't use the white with the stuff that's 876 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,610 commercial, my good white wine vinegar, and then you buy bunch 877 00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:35,970 of Terragen. And then you take half of it. If it's a big enough 878 00:51:35,970 --> 00:51:38,250 bunch, and you shove it in the vinegar. And you just leave it 879 00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:40,920 in there for about three to six months. And then you use that 880 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,780 vinegar, and it's an outstanding product. 881 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,770 Another Qunari tip from John C. Dvorak, 882 00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:49,380 make your own Terragen vinegar, folks, 883 00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:54,210 you've got to see, you've got to see these one minute holiday 884 00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:57,150 tips the Barefoot doctor has done. I don't know if they're up 885 00:51:57,150 --> 00:52:02,280 yet. We got this guy this, like healing Chinese. 886 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,550 We'll talk about this later. But that gave me the idea that I 887 00:52:08,550 --> 00:52:11,790 think I'm going to do a one minute computer tips for pod 888 00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:14,550 show. That's a good idea. And they're going to bet it's gonna 889 00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:18,810 be 100 of them. Yeah, exactly, exactly. John's 100 tips, but 890 00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:21,180 then we're gonna start that probably in a couple of weeks. 891 00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:23,430 That's, that's a really good idea. And I like it. And this is 892 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:25,800 what we did with barefoot doctors. So for the holiday 893 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,850 season, I'll find I'll find that I don't know if they're up yet. 894 00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:32,070 I just approved him. So I don't know if they've got up yet if 895 00:52:32,070 --> 00:52:35,520 there's going up Monday, but he has like a one minute tip for 896 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,370 the hangover. You know how to prepare for a night of drinking 897 00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:39,990 all kinds of really useful stuff. 898 00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:45,450 Sounds like he's got some sort of narrow minded approach. It's 899 00:52:45,450 --> 00:52:48,030 just about drinking now, if anybody 900 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,570 has really worked in Britain, okay, it's all about drinking. 901 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,120 Yeah. If it was all about drinking, why they closed the 902 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:54,840 pub so early? 903 00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:58,170 No, no, no, they changed that law. Man. It's now you can stay 904 00:52:58,170 --> 00:53:03,060 open 24 hours a day. They change that over a year ago. Really? 905 00:53:03,090 --> 00:53:04,380 Yeah. You didn't know that? 906 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:07,440 No. Yeah. I haven't been there for over a year. I don't go 907 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,640 there because I can't afford it. 908 00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:11,850 Yeah, it's not it's not that they all do. But they're allowed 909 00:53:11,850 --> 00:53:15,480 to. And so now there are places open to God and seems like 24 910 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,020 hours. 911 00:53:17,010 --> 00:53:20,010 Well, that's good news, I guess for all alcoholics. Yeah. 912 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,190 Anyway, anybody with a good computer tip that they think 913 00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:27,570 should be related. It could be given away in a one minute bit. 914 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:32,490 Send me an email at John at two, four x.org. And I'll, I'll use 915 00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:37,950 the tip and give you a plug. You need 100 I got about 50 So far, 916 00:53:37,950 --> 00:53:39,000 but I need another 50 917 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,510 And you're you're doing Mac and Windows and Linux as well. 918 00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:48,180 And that you mentioned it No, but I could I could do the thing 919 00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:51,210 is I don't want to you know, get turned the audience off with a 920 00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:54,210 bunch of Mac tips. The Mac really doesn't need a lot of 921 00:53:54,210 --> 00:53:57,060 tips that was kind of self sufficient. Just that PC that 922 00:53:57,060 --> 00:53:59,910 needs it. And it's not just about computers. I mean, it's 923 00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:00,990 going to be tech tips, too. 924 00:54:01,050 --> 00:54:04,830 I got a I got a hot Mac tip for you. Yeah. And this will be 925 00:54:04,830 --> 00:54:07,620 quite rewarding for people who have sat through 54 minutes of 926 00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:13,380 this kvetch. Yeah, I had dinner the other night in New York with 927 00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:17,490 someone who absolutely knows what goes on inside Apple who 928 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,190 doesn't work for Apple anymore, but it's been there for a long, 929 00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:24,780 long time, dating back to the Newton days. And you know, 930 00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:27,180 they're talking about a new Mac coming out something you know, 931 00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:33,540 thin or whatever. Well, delight. He says it is pen based. 932 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,870 No. Well, that's no good. 933 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,700 And he the reason why he says is because Apple has a certain 934 00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:46,650 patent over I think you said right anywhere I guess so that 935 00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:54,150 wherever you write. It doesn't drop down to a, like a pre fixed 936 00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:57,150 line that the writing has to go on to I'm not quite sure what it 937 00:54:57,150 --> 00:55:00,000 meant. But he was telling me about some patent. That apple 938 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,770 Little had since the Newton days. And that was the reason 939 00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:07,650 why no one had done it right yet. But now that Apple had 940 00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:12,750 implemented multi touch, and they still have the, the light 941 00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:18,810 pen. Do you recall that? Yeah. He says that that's what they're 942 00:55:18,810 --> 00:55:22,320 going to be doing next is something pen based. You're more 943 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,170 tablet size not for not full computer size. 944 00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:30,840 We'll see hey, by the way, you mentioned that they're going to 945 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,460 go after Huckabee. So I just hit the blog. Just finish the show. 946 00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:39,000 But there's a post somebody just put up. One of my bloggers 947 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,210 McCullough Huckabees in the here's the headline. So this is 948 00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:45,090 kind of an indicator. Huck, you don't have to know any more than 949 00:55:45,090 --> 00:55:49,890 just in the headline. Huckabees theology degree. Not exactly. 950 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:56,010 Oh, boy. It's all over. So we'll see 951 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,950 who's who's anyway with that guy from the cage match. Does he 952 00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:59,550 work for you? 953 00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:01,260 The Baba 954 00:56:01,350 --> 00:56:03,120 Yeah, Baba. What's What's his deal? 955 00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:08,490 I Baba is a he? He's one of these guys. He's another one of 956 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:12,300 these most of these guys that I have or not all of them. But but 957 00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:16,800 a good number of them are kind of retired, geezers. And 958 00:56:17,550 --> 00:56:20,280 really, I thought, yeah, I was thinking you had all kinds of 959 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,450 young kids who are 960 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,600 falling Kimball guys that are that are young, but generally 961 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,870 speaking, they're either retired or they're early retired lot of 962 00:56:27,870 --> 00:56:30,450 them got, you know, they're kind of independently wealthy, or 963 00:56:30,450 --> 00:56:30,870 they're just, 964 00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:34,230 ladies and gentlemen, the rare look inside the divorce tech 965 00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:40,110 Empire was we lift the veil of divorce.org/blog. It's also 966 00:56:40,110 --> 00:56:40,830 these years. 967 00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:44,010 So they seem to be they have a lot of time on their hands, a 968 00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:47,190 few of them. And so they and they're always surfing the web, 969 00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:49,650 because there's like, you know, that's a lot of people do that. 970 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,700 And they have the same libertarian, you know, 971 00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:57,630 perspective, we, all of us have the same basic libertarian 972 00:56:57,660 --> 00:57:00,180 perspective trailer, although we don't have the same. And these 973 00:57:00,180 --> 00:57:00,720 are just guys 974 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,570 you've met throughout the years through email and stuff, and 975 00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:06,180 then said, hey, you know, I'll maintain some stuff on your 976 00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:07,920 blog. And is that how it works? 977 00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:15,090 It started with a guy who's who's I think Ed's about 60s. 978 00:57:16,380 --> 00:57:20,280 Eight, I don't I could be wrong. But anyway, this was started 979 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,490 when I started the blog four years ago, and I get these guys, 980 00:57:23,490 --> 00:57:26,550 I like your blog, and you should check this out, then check it 981 00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:28,950 out and look at this point. And then I would be getting ideas 982 00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:32,640 for posts. And every once in a while somebody would come along. 983 00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:36,720 And every one of their ideas was exactly what I would be posting 984 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,200 if I had found it. Right. So it's like a self selecting group 985 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,960 I have there's other people that do this, but they're spotty. You 986 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,420 know, they hit one and other ones kind of Oh, no, I can't do 987 00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:48,120 that. But there's a couple of guys that were just hitting the 988 00:57:48,180 --> 00:57:51,390 exact right posts. Would you like to just do this post? 989 00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:55,290 Without going through me just do it yourself? Right. And they 990 00:57:55,290 --> 00:57:57,240 said, Yeah, and you know, I was thinking about, I probably don't 991 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,960 want to every one of them. So yeah, absolutely. So I just gave 992 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,330 him the administrative, you know, 993 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,470 is there Do you have a moderator setup though? Is there a flow? 994 00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:09,840 Or does everyone just post freely? And you don't check 995 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,580 anything? Give or remove anything? 996 00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:15,930 Nope. It's all free form. It's we don't do that would be work. 997 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,280 Adam, you were trying to avoid that. 998 00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:20,730 That's very interesting, because I've always wondered about that. 999 00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:22,650 And so they probably don't even get paid at 1000 00:58:22,650 --> 00:58:26,280 all. Actually, they get a Christmas bonus every year. Oh, 1001 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,630 that's nice. Based based on the on the Google ads. Right. Right. 1002 00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:33,480 Right. And you know what it costs to keep the blog running, 1003 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,260 but anyway, so yeah. And I haven't sent that out yet this 1004 00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:39,720 year, but I'm gonna do it this week, I think when Anyway, the 1005 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,300 thing is, I was self selecting, and then Baba came along. And 1006 00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:47,130 Baba was demoted, he was really anxious to do a lot. And he was 1007 00:58:47,130 --> 00:58:51,150 but he was late, because he was too much. He was really way 1008 00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:53,850 anxious. And so I said, Well, you know, what really needs 1009 00:58:53,850 --> 00:58:57,030 beefing up if you want to do a lot of work is the cage match, 1010 00:58:57,030 --> 00:59:01,380 which is this other form is a BBS type thing. And so I just 1011 00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:05,610 gave your go do what you want to do there. I just kind of gave it 1012 00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:08,250 to him because it's actually run by him and a woman named 1013 00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:12,330 Katherine. And she was the one who set it up. And she's kind of 1014 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,450 the techie. And she found the right bulletin board software, 1015 00:59:15,450 --> 00:59:17,340 and she did all that stuff. And then I just gave it over to 1016 00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:20,040 Bubba, who's also got his little a couple of minions that he's 1017 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,770 kind of working with. And so that's kind of an independent 1018 00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:25,860 thing that competes with the the other site, the network, 1019 00:59:26,250 --> 00:59:29,880 that Devorah Correll created, spreads far and wide across the 1020 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,160 universe of like minded people. 1021 00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:35,520 It's the it's the Tom Sawyer approach to law. Have 1022 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,430 you met any of these? Any of these folks personally, not 1023 00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:40,860 in person except Katherine. I known her for years she used to 1024 00:59:40,860 --> 00:59:46,320 be at pr at IBM. And so you don't have to divorce.org/fan 1025 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,870 day and y'all get together and have drinks and talk about the 1026 00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:49,230 blue again, 1027 00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:53,550 it probably one of these days. You know, a couple other schemes 1028 00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:56,730 workout after the pod show company goes public, 1029 00:59:57,570 --> 01:00:03,630 after we're rich beyond our wildest dreams. To dream on, 1030 01:00:05,250 --> 01:00:08,040 you're gonna be working your sorry ass off for a long time 1031 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:08,400 rather, 1032 01:00:09,060 --> 01:00:14,100 now, we'll see. So hopefully, something good will come of it. 1033 01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:16,080 Anyway. So that's kind of the story. That's what you know, 1034 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,500 it's it's the way I tried. I tried to set that up. So it's 1035 01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:21,930 automated. So I'm not spending a lot of time on it myself. And we 1036 01:00:21,930 --> 01:00:25,920 all everybody that does it also does the comment moderation. So 1037 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,720 everybody, when you if you're having to be on the blog to 1038 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,810 check the comments, right, right, kill a few. And so that 1039 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,450 it works out, it's kind of a, it's like a, it's like a, it's 1040 01:00:33,450 --> 01:00:34,410 like a Wikipedia, 1041 01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:38,460 it's very similar. It's very similar to the daily source 1042 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:40,920 code, and you know, people are sending in bits, they 1043 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,790 contribute, you know, I can almost always count on, you 1044 01:00:44,790 --> 01:00:49,140 know, Jersey Todd to do send in songs for Friday, and you do 1045 01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:54,030 collect kind of a, a core what I call savant of people around you 1046 01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:57,270 who just contribute to your little media thing, and it is 1047 01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:58,110 really quite awesome. 1048 01:00:59,430 --> 01:01:03,390 Ya know, people like to like to, people do like to get involved, 1049 01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:06,000 if they're with like minded people, and they're having fun, 1050 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,820 and they and it's some, you know, what I give these guys you 1051 01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:11,880 know, is because a lot of them do have their own blogs, is I 1052 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,580 give them more exposure, because their blogs, you know, like a 1053 01:01:14,580 --> 01:01:18,810 typical blog is get, you know, if you get 30 or 40 visitors a 1054 01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:21,990 day, that's like a lot, I get 30,000 a day and you know, it 1055 01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:25,050 makes it kind of a difference to nine, you get a little nicer, 1056 01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:29,250 you get more the comments are more interesting. And the you 1057 01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:32,910 know, there's like, cadre is of commenters, and you know, so 1058 01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:35,640 it's just so they I think everybody appreciates the for, 1059 01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:37,290 you know, the fact it's a good platform. 1060 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,560 Fantastic platform. So man, you must be doing okay with those 1061 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,220 Google ads, you probably doing like 50 to 100 bucks a day. 1062 01:01:44,970 --> 01:01:48,570 No, Google ads are like overrated. Yeah. I mean, if you 1063 01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:54,060 can make, yeah, you make about if you have a million pageviews, 1064 01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:56,340 I'm guessing, generally speaking, you have about a 1065 01:01:56,340 --> 01:02:00,420 million a month right? Now you have right, you get about 1000 a 1066 01:02:00,420 --> 01:02:02,550 month for about a million pageviews. That's how low the 1067 01:02:02,550 --> 01:02:07,530 numbers are for Google ads is always. I mean, it's the only 1068 01:02:07,530 --> 01:02:10,260 reason you run them is because Google has to look at your site 1069 01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:13,410 more. And then you so you get indexed a little better. But, 1070 01:02:14,250 --> 01:02:17,070 you know, it's if somebody comes along with a better scheme than 1071 01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:19,050 Google ads, I mean, everyone will jump to it, because 1072 01:02:19,050 --> 01:02:22,350 aldehyde most people if you talk to them about what they make on 1073 01:02:22,350 --> 01:02:25,860 Google as they lie, because everyone's embarrassed, because 1074 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:30,300 the numbers are so low for for Google ads, they're so low that 1075 01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:33,390 everybody's humiliated by a minute think, well, it just must 1076 01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:36,030 be me that they're so low. So they'll lie to you and tell you, 1077 01:02:36,450 --> 01:02:39,180 you know, I'm getting $5,000 a month, you know, 1078 01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:41,640 bullshit. That's why I'm convinced the seller tainment 1079 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,550 stuff we're doing like with GoDaddy and with the Nokia 1080 01:02:44,550 --> 01:02:50,190 headsets and, and we're doing this the Sony headsets, Nokia, 1081 01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:54,060 and no, I'm sorry, it's Nokia. Now confused, we're not doing 1082 01:02:54,060 --> 01:02:59,790 Sony Sony's not seller tainment. Right. Vitamin Shoppe, I think 1083 01:02:59,790 --> 01:03:03,600 is, is going to be one. So you know, just like GoDaddy. I mean, 1084 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,020 there are people who are going to make like 300 grand next 1085 01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:10,530 year. And you know, they don't have a big audience. But again, 1086 01:03:10,530 --> 01:03:12,900 it's one of these audiences, you know, they do promos, and 1087 01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:16,440 contests, and, you know, you because every single time you 1088 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,680 know, you sign up a new customer, they get like a real 1089 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,220 it's like, QVC. It's like fucking QVC. And I really think 1090 01:03:23,220 --> 01:03:25,650 it's the future. I mean, I could sell cars. I know, I've sold 1091 01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:27,660 cars, you know? 1092 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,100 Yeah, I think you're right. 1093 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,550 It really, it really could be a new that really could be the 1094 01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:41,190 answer for independent media, where, you know, you just had 1095 01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:43,950 just ride along with whatever m&ms And you can basically you 1096 01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:46,980 can put anything up for sale I do I test this stuff with 1097 01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:50,880 Amazon, religiously. And, you know, I'm selling all kinds of 1098 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,220 stuff. Not that a lot of money about it to someone else, it 1099 01:03:56,250 --> 01:03:57,900 would be a lot of money, probably. 1100 01:03:58,770 --> 01:04:01,350 Well, one of these days, I'm going to bump the Google ads and 1101 01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:04,110 start selling stuff on the blog, and that will change the 1102 01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:08,250 financing. But for now, the Google ads are there and I 1103 01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:10,620 actually learned a lot from them because I can see what the woods 1104 01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:13,230 going through because we have an eclectic blog. I mean, it's got 1105 01:04:13,230 --> 01:04:15,270 you know, all kinds of weird stuff on it. Yeah. And so it's 1106 01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:18,120 interesting to see what kind of ads come up you know, because 1107 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,420 they're trying to you know, the analyse the the information and 1108 01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:25,200 then they throw up an ad that somehow you know, that's why I 1109 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,990 think the Huckabee things up right now with the Romney ad 1110 01:04:28,020 --> 01:04:33,330 I get, I get all kinds of curry stuff. Which is what I want, 1111 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:33,990 basically. 1112 01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:40,140 Well, there you have it. Anyway. So I think that's it for this 1113 01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:40,950 week, don't you think? 1114 01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:43,590 I don't know. Is anyone still out there? 1115 01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:47,820 I think the suicide rates gone up to 10. 1116 01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:51,330 So we'll have to watch the numbers on the show. Either 1117 01:04:51,330 --> 01:04:54,180 people are gonna love that the longer format or they're just 1118 01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:55,650 gonna have shot themselves. 1119 01:04:55,950 --> 01:04:59,160 Well, you know, I think it's, the format is a variable anyway, 1120 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,350 we're trying to keep it at half an hour. I don't know how we got 1121 01:05:01,350 --> 01:05:03,420 carried away while you're talking. Because you're all 1122 01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:05,190 jacked up about that plane ride. should I 1123 01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:08,010 should I? Should I edit out the whole thing about the banking 1124 01:05:08,010 --> 01:05:09,510 system? Oh, absolutely 1125 01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:09,870 not. 1126 01:05:12,929 --> 01:05:15,299 People know how to fast forward, don't they? Isn't that the whole 1127 01:05:15,299 --> 01:05:15,779 point? 1128 01:05:16,439 --> 01:05:18,629 Know that they're gonna listen to it, that's what's gonna end 1129 01:05:18,629 --> 01:05:21,059 they're going to be listening waiting for the punch line, and 1130 01:05:21,059 --> 01:05:22,829 then they're going to be sorely disappointed. I think that's 1131 01:05:22,829 --> 01:05:23,369 great. 1132 01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:26,670 does everything have to have a punch line? 1133 01:05:27,179 --> 01:05:27,989 I think so. 1134 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,110 What could you rewrite that one for me, then? 1135 01:05:31,590 --> 01:05:35,010 No, I'm not gonna deal with it. I gotta go. Try to even catch up 1136 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,780 with what you're talking about. You should definitely. 1137 01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:41,310 Hopefully, we won't get back into another banking discussion 1138 01:05:41,310 --> 01:05:42,000 in the future. 1139 01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:49,320 Well, okay. Okay. I'm just a little more meta at that than 1140 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,010 you are, John. 1141 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,700 Oh, absolutely. But that's because you have a greater 1142 01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:56,520 interest in the international banking scheme of things. And I 1143 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,330 do, I think we 1144 01:05:57,330 --> 01:06:00,300 all should have an interest in that. It's important stuff. 1145 01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:02,880 That's, that's, well, that's where we can make some change. 1146 01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:05,850 Well, then people should go out and read Confessions of an 1147 01:06:05,850 --> 01:06:07,890 economic hitman as soon as they can. 1148 01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:13,350 I think I should go read that. All right, I'll leave you with 1149 01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:16,230 one then. You definitely need to read next, the new Michael 1150 01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:17,160 Crighton. Novel. 1151 01:06:18,810 --> 01:06:19,650 Next, 1152 01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:27,180 yeah. And that about, it's about DNA and your right to your DNA 1153 01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:31,230 in the future. Oh, right. And, you know, when of course, we can 1154 01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:37,470 solve every problem by just growing a new new piece. Right 1155 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:42,150 and and putting it into and it's, it's a very good book, and 1156 01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:44,550 you can't miss it at the airport because they have the promotion 1157 01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:48,090 on the stand where they have done the same it has an ape on 1158 01:06:48,090 --> 01:06:51,480 the front with a barcode. And they have different jackets of a 1159 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,870 yellow jacket, a red jacket, a white jacket, a blue jacket, and 1160 01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:57,180 it's all it's all the same logo, so you can't miss it. It's a 1161 01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:57,990 great book. 1162 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,440 You'll like it, I will get it on when Ed 1163 01:07:01,650 --> 01:07:05,280 travels. Okay, still no, no word on an Eisenhower book. 1164 01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:10,290 No, no, actually got about it. 1165 01:07:10,290 --> 01:07:15,510 Actually, I mentioned this on on daily source code. I was at so I 1166 01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:20,910 was obviously at the airport in in the UK. And I was looking for 1167 01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:23,700 an Eisenhower book in the biography section and the whole 1168 01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:28,140 section John I kid you not is filled with autobiographies from 1169 01:07:28,350 --> 01:07:31,800 David Beckham, Victoria Beckham, the Beckham's the unauthorised 1170 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:37,080 backrooms, baby spice, Ginger spice. Three guys from Big 1171 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,680 Brother. I mean, there's not a fucking serious biography to be 1172 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:41,640 found anymore. 1173 01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:45,090 That's your market. All right. 1174 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,120 We better stop before we kill again. 1175 01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:51,000 Exactly. 1176 01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:54,780 All right, coming to you from the curry Manor. I'm Adam curry. 1177 01:07:55,740 --> 01:07:58,590 And I'm John C. Dvorak in sunny Northern California. 1178 01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:01,380 And we'll talk to you again next week if you're still alive. 1179 01:08:05,010 --> 01:08:08,010 The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest 1180 01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:10,890 minds in content delivery, pod show and Limelight