It's Saturday night while everyone's partying till dawn,
two guys are home alone and they don't know nothing about
anything. It's time once again for no agenda where I get to ask
if we've reached the bottom yet, from the curry condo in the
flight path of the Blue Angels and Gitmo nation West. I'm Adam
curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak at the bottom in northern Silicon
Valley. Just here at the bottom of bottom away. It's comfy down
here. Oh, man,
how you doing Saturday night? It's 915 we are losers, dude.
I just flew in from Seattle. So I'm flying in from Virgin
American and so I figured I was gonna get in a little earlier.
But it was an hour delay because somebody in the back of the
plane was done. This is the truth by the way. projectile
vomit. One of the other passengers
it was they do an announcement. Ladies and gentlemen were
projectile vomiting
you done and
hopefully you were upfront in first class. Yeah, wasn't
it first bike I couldn't get in. It was packed, but I was. I was
in row three. So So anyways, whatever the case was, what the
Earth's most irksome part is that we took a flight path on
the way back to took us west of the Golden Gate Bridge over San
Francisco in a very clear day. If it was an hour earlier. I
would have had some of the most spectacular photos ever.
Yeah, but you know why? That's because they have a temporary
restricted area over over all of that for the for the air show.
Oh, no,
never get that route again.
Well, if you fly tomorrow, you might Oh, yeah,
I know what you meant. And now as you mentioned that you're
right. I've never been on that route before. Yeah, I'm
sure temporary religions great view. I know I was talking to
Patricia and I said because the the Blue Angels were literally
flying past the house here this afternoon on like holding up the
laptop so she can see it and you know, beautiful clear blue sky
and then explains vitamin through. I
was cool. You didn't go to you're gonna go to the event.
You didn't go today.
I didn't go today. First of all, because I felt really kind of
me, I've had this this thing's going been going around the
office, this petri dish of ours that my head was filled with
just gunk and I had kind of a sore throat so I I slept in a
little bit. And actually, I got really inspired and and recorded
an almost two hour daily source code now. It seemed a while
there's a lot of good music in it, but it seems like the more I
see and the more I witness in around me the more pissed off I
get. And it's a great release. I got it like ah,
yeah. Better. So anyway, well, you know, tomorrow
or tomorrow, probably Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm only
getting just the tail end of the you gotta
go down and sit down with a big crowd.
Yeah, I want to that's over by the Presidio. Right?
Right. You got to get there early. What and then we'll talk
about it later. All right, you're gonna come with me? You
want to know I got a gun. I'm way behind here. Oh. I mean,
maybe. J. So
that's not how you want your date to respond. Maybe.
So this way we have we're way backed up here for our fans if
we want to call them that. Our listeners with food are the
eavesdroppers? Yes. Oh,
can I just say John, by the way about that. I sat in on a
meeting with moody and Jennifer and actually Steve, I think was
in there. Dude, we are so kicking ass. You know between
all the cross pollination pollenization we're doing with
daily source code and no agenda and the tech five top five and
what you the excellent promotion you gave on twit the other week
and cranky geeks? Dude, we've got our own little mini Fox
Network. Yeah, we're totally kicking ass. In fact, I turned
down advertising I say no, no, you guys weren't there for us
when we were small. They weren't we won't do any of your crappy
crappy ads.
We got t shirts to sell. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, by the way,
I want people to know that we're going to have a T shirt offering
it'll be announced on both the Adam curry.com or cri.com and,
and Dvorak.
Oh, this is great. This is News. Have you talked to Chris Mac?
No, no Chris Mac did he doesn't do fulfilment anymore. I find
another guy who offered to do it for us and he's gonna do the
whole thing set up the store and sell us all we have to do is
design a couple of shirts come up with a good idea. I got some
good ideas. I got one of the I made my one of my one of the top
ones I want to do and I got it designed already, which is I
visited get mo nation and all I got was this lousy t shirt
and a beating and waterboarding it should be something more like
that.
Well, you know, I was thinking about the waterboarding I'm
gonna do something else because it doesn't ring as nicely as you
know.
I have I got all I got was tasered. I could
do do we can do like tool them, and test whether people want to
brag about being waterboarded or beaten?
Or how about tased?
Do they tase people or to get more?
Dude, why don't we just have it? Why don't we just have whatever
on the front and on the back? We'll just have don't tase me,
bro.
Okay, something well the back customer ever seen you that's
not
relating to you Have you never seen that YouTube video of that
guy who asked the John Kerry everybody saw that vlog. Don't
taze me, bro.
Okay, so anyway, we should we're behind on both the
merchandising. We're behind on three restaurant reviews are at
least two official ones. And then we're also behind it on the
last debate which was so crappy decided not to do its show right
afterwards because it was like, who cares? It's obvious now to
both of us that these guys are coached not to screw up. Yeah, I
was afraid this might happen. You there? Yeah.
Good. Yeah, for a second. I apologise. I tried to get this
hardwired. And I've got 180 degrees of glass here. I'm
receiving every single frickin Wi Fi in San Francisco. And
they, you know, it's already gone in and out again. Crap. I
hate this. It happens at the most inopportune moments. Okay,
so let me see if I can get John back here. All right, you're
back. Go ahead.
Okay, so what was I talking about when you were showing?
We were talking about the about the restaurants that we
yeah, we got Okay. Shall we start? Shall we start with the
you know, this kind of we don't want to make the show 10 hours
long. No, but we have to decide it's not like
we're gonna get laid or anything. I can I here's one. I
just like to throw in there. We had lunch yesterday. At the at
the steakhouse. What's his name? On the Acme Acme Steakhouse? And
where you of course, are the food expert and wine aficionado.
I've gotten pretty good at picking out great things on the
menu. And I had baby back ribs at Acme Steakhouse, which were
unfreaking believable
is the place that said Candlestick Park. Yeah. Would
you agree? Yeah, no, they were delicious. They were good. They
were cooked. slow cooked for a really long time or they were
fell right on they were probably bought pie did the way it was
reflecting on this dish. They weren't barbecued necessarily
because they didn't have smoke ring or any evidence that they
would have been red. But they obviously I think we're
parboiled for a long time and then slow cooked baked or
something like that. They were actually quite good to me my
wife does a version of that style and that's pretty much the
way it was I've never had
I never had it that way and it literally just kind of like
almost felt fell off the bone was just
like, Well, yeah, it does. In fact, it tends shaken the meat
all right, but that was not actually a place we went to for
review.
No, no, but you know the we've always actually had we've had a
number of meals there and it's functional. It's a good little
restaurant. If you want a piece of meat you know they got steaks
there that are nice.
And we had an ass kicking Zinfandel.
Yeah, it was one of those. It was the anniversary Zinfandel
from geyser it was the Geyserville Xin wood I'm sorry,
it was the it was the ridge Geyserville Xin I think it was a
2005 2006 one of the two and if Yeah, they'll do good. The the
ridges infidels are always like that. They have that same
character. They're very tasty. And I realised at the time when
I ordered it that you probably haven't been really acquainted
with a lot of these. This style of wine.
Well, actually, Zinfandels, Patricia and I have used to
drink quite a lot of you know, for us like a bottle a month
maybe. But the alcohol content seemed a little bit higher.
Well, you know, the problem right now was infinite, who I
think the killer problem with Zinfandels is that the elk
they're not keeping the alcohols down. And I think a lot of it
has to do with the high tech yeasts that they're using, which
jacked up the alcohol. And in the olden days. You know when
they used to make zin in the backyards and these go into
small wineries. They used to cool off the must by throwing in
blocks of ice. And actually when wine is made watered down a
little bit in during the process of the winemaking. It
incorporates the water quite nicely. In fact, I've I've done
this with some wines and people out there who have these really,
you know, like these really dark wines, you see that the alcohol
is 15 Five or something like that. You can put some water in
there like like you know like a third water and you'll notice it
does and sometimes it makes the wine taste better, which is
weird, but the way the absolute weirdest part about it was some
of these extremely dark wines. For those of you out there who
like to bluff. You can take one of these blockbuster wines that
comes out of the bottle almost black and put about 1/10 of a
glass you'd like to buy just a little bit too bottom have a
wineglass and then fill it up with water. And it looks like
you've got a glass of red wine because there's so much, you
know, the wines are so Inky, that you can, like, you know,
look like you're drinking a lot when you're not. And one of the
keys to success in parties, I might say, is to look like
you're drinking. But not necessarily drinking. I mean, I
go to these some of these events you pointing you can't drive
around drunk anymore. And I hate that
when you drive around drunk all you wanted, man, that was a good
time
ever go around drunk, but I'm saying that we used to drive
around. I used to work a couple of like swing shifts or
graveyard things and you had to drive home with these drunks on
the road. They're all over the place. And you would just you
know, you know, got used to it
when you do either. Graveyard Shift on the radio or the
morning show the morning show, especially it's like you're
going to work at four in the morning, man. That's when the
idiots aren't on there are on the road. Great. Hey, let me
just ask you a question about the Zinfandel. In the it's
almost like a sparkly type quality. Where does that come
from?
A little you get sometimes you get a little Mallow lactic
taking place in the bottle. It's that when it wasn't very
extreme, it's actually a flaw that you can send the wine back
if it's too bubbly. You don't want to you don't want a red
wine that has any carbonation natural carbonation, because of
a fermentation that takes place in the bottle. With a white
wine. It's pretty hard to call it a flaw because some wines are
actually designed to do that.
Right? Nice. Well, it was a good one. I liked it. Now, it was
no it was very tasty. And what I liked about it is that it was
what they used to call us, at least in the in the trade a
field blend. Because in the olden days when people made
Zinfandel, you know, for the family or whatever, they had
their own little vineyard in the backyard with a blend of the
grapes was actually in the vineyard. They don't they
wouldn't pick like go you know, batches in and then something
else or something else and blend them. They were all just mixed
up. You'd have a Zinfandel plant next to a Caribbean plant next
to whatever
so this was the the Acme steakhouse Zinfandel as we had
for lunch. It was a nice quality, the name again and the
price, John.
It was a it was a ridge Geyserville Xin and the price I
think, I think like this one, it would be a probably run 14 But I
was not an expense. It's not one of the expensive sins.
There was good, though. Very nice. Very nice for lunch now.
Yeah, no, it's perfect.
So at the beginning of my, my stay here in San Francisco, we
went to the Ritz Carlton. Right. And so this is now now we
believe the chef May was at a new chef, or did he?
You know, I didn't do any research afterwards. But, you
know, the past I don't know who the chef was, but he had a
couple of techniques that were unbelievably great in the way he
cooked meat. And he had a pork thing that I ordered was just
astonishing. And you're you had something that was really good.
No, no, no, it was okay. But it wasn't a pro. My problem was,
the pork was it was all the other stuff that he didn't match
flavours.
He had the wrong combinations yet, and it's been so long, I
can't remember but it was like, you know, sometimes, like Apple
and cheese goes together like peanut butter and chocolate, you
know, that kind of thing. And he was trying to make that but it
was falling flat?
Oh, no, I would say it was one of the it was one of the most
disappointing meals I've had in the high end. And I liked that
place. But it was one of the most disappointing meals. I've
had it in a high end restaurant in six months or a year. What
was funny years you went so you had gotten quarters, of course
because we don't valet were cheap asses and then reporting
the quarters into that you were feeding the metre. And I hear
and I hear someone asked this kind of like the greeter at the
at the main entrance. So I hear someone say, hey, what was all
the Secret Service here yesterday? And she said, No, I'm
sorry, ma'am. We have to protect the identity of our guests. And
I really can't hand out that information. So we're over
talking to the guy at the restaurant waiting for our table
and I say hey, what was the Secret Service about yesterday
says oh, that was Schwarzenegger. He was here.
Yeah, he showed up on an house. Like what a bogus bogus
security.
Yeah, well, that was funny. Now the other thing that was weird
about that restaurant moving right along, moving right along.
The other thing that was weird. That was the fact that the wine
steward first we order I cherry picked a wine which I always do
when people have been out to dinner with me No I do this
constantly. I find some winner on the list that's just a killer
that is
not available not available and by killer it's the right wine
and a great price.
Right and so usually just stands out like a sore thumb like wow,
so of course they're out. So he comes back with a substitute
wine thing and then there was a wine specifically I don't like
and you know, just a wine I don't think much of and so he
comes back with a third wine that he says he'll give us which
is more a little more expensive and give us it the other price.
But he has to get to cantor. I didn't know what it was was the
second wine of cost. Destro No
way. He said Oh, you know, you really should to campus. It's
really you shouldn't just and we're like we don't use
because I always say I always tell you I don't think decanting
is necessary. 90% of the time it says I think it's, I think it's
pretentious and you know, oh my god, you know, John, we
never decaf we're just not like that. We're like the Frenchman
we just drink that shit almost right out of the bottle.
Pretty close. Okay, so anyway, but you know, these places they
gotta show off. So anyway, so he's gonna decant the wind, but
this is a pagoda cos by the way, if anyone wants to know is a
9098 functional wine. Anyway, so the he brings, he goes through
this rigmarole to cancel and he pretty much dumped a whole
bottle of wine in the decanter, there wasn't any sludge in the
bottle at all, from what I could tell. And so then he sniffing
and swirling and sniffing it gives me
he was really doing a whole number and I'm just sitting
there going, luckily, I was high as a kite. So that helped.
So, so he throws down the glass, and he said, You know, I take
one sniff, and of course, I made it, I probably was acting a
little British under your influence. And then kind of
understated my concern for this wine, which was totally cool.
I think it's card at this is not, not entirely right, my dear
friend, someone who actually what I said
specifically was because he had already, you know, checked it
out. And most wine stewards were to just immediately take the
bottle back and he
actually he took a sip first. Yeah.
And he gives me the wine. I check it out. And I say, which
is a way to put it if you want to kind of, you know, slightly
it's I said to him exactly this. So you don't think this wine is
quite?
That's true. You did say that after he had just taken the
first swig of our wine.
So he takes another check of it, you know, and the weird thing
was that wine got
gotten worse or worse. Really it Yeah,
it took off and became so corked that it was going to stink up
the whole place. explain to people what that means. corked
wine is a is a as a, as a chemical called TPA that is in
found and it's actually it's a weird contaminate that used to
only come from quarks that were rotting and it tastes and smells
like and tastes like a rotting cork, if you can imagine what a
rotten cork tastes like. And it has a horrible stench and it has
a terrible flavour and it kills any of the fruit the wine might
have. Now the thing that's interesting, they discovered
this, actually a French wine maker was also a chemist
discovered some years back, I think in the mid 90s, that this
product is chemical TPA, which I don't have the can't think of
the chemical name for it seems to show up in some forms of
paint. And so when wineries are painted, just the the the
evaporation just gets gets into the wine gets into the wine, the
9097 Bv private reserved here in the Napa Valley because of
something sent one of these incidents of paint or something
like that. The entire batch of 9096 9097, which is one of the
great years in California. Bull you is sent out a note that if
you have any of it, you want to bring it back for a swap. We'll
give you something else because you know, we're sorry. Wow. And
that was like a big.
Hey, do you want to do all the restaurants you want to talk
about something else to come back to restaurants later?
Well, I just I think we should. Yeah, let's do the restaurants,
get them out of the way. And then people who don't want to
listen to the rap, turn it off after we're done. Okay,
now, so anyway, where do we have next? Oh, you want to
finish this? Because there was one, you know, I figured after I
kind of insulted the wine waiter, he you know, didn't
like you're right, because five minutes later, the glass that he
had poured for me just was horrible.
So anyway, so he came back with a good bottle and we you know,
then he went and talked to us for a while, but then he finally
you know, swallow his pride and came back and was more friendly.
And then we, you know, we went through the meal, which was
always these weird flavour combinations that didn't work at
all. And then at the end, he turned us on to a CalVet dose.
Yes, your rush is one of the cheapest ones on the list. And I
have to go get the name of it or something because it was like
I'm not a Callidus guy. It was unbelievably great. It was good.
It was really good. I've never had a Kalba dose as good as
that.
There was something good for for dessert as well.
Yeah, I'm blanking on this. I can't remember. So then Anyway,
the next thing we do, we had lunch at Fring gall and it was
tasteless, and I was very disappointed
that was and they do have a new chef there. Yeah, yeah.
He was working that day but whatever the case was, it seems
like seems like Hey, buddy, you know salt.
A little marinate something for a second. It was just I had
chicken it sucked. It was just it
was not it was just A piece of shit. I was like, no, no good.
No good. So no, I was just disappointed there. And, you
know, that place has been a little spotty recently. I mean,
I have had some really good food there. And,
oh, that we've had some great lunches there. And I was
extremely disappointed.
I'm wondering whether the chef was working. A lot of these
restaurants they don't do well with a chef gone.
We need to send Gordon Gordon over straighten those guys.
There's no passion in your cooking man.
And then we went to places fairly famous a newer restaurant
in San Francisco that people might want to check out when
they're here because it's really a very especially if you're
French. This place every time I go there I go. God, you know, I
couldn't be in Paris eating it because it's French and not in
like a Frenchie way with a bunch of French posters and things
like that. It just has a weird French feel
no aidid P off songs either.
Right? None of the Cornwall stuff. But it just feels French.
If you've been to France enough, you go in there and you go wow,
this place. I don't know what it is. But it's very small. Yeah,
very small, like 50 tables, maybe not even 30 tables. Yes,
I'm like that's called quince. And I've been there three times.
And it's a really good restaurant he got it was one of
the first Michelin starred restaurants in San Francisco. I
you liked it a little better than I did. I still was I wasn't
jacked up
and we went to the for the for the tasting menu, which is
always kind of an adventure because you're getting a little
bit of everything and I have to say the way the proportions were
set and and just when I was saying are we getting any more
after this said no, this is the last one and it was like okay,
that's perfect. It was the right amount of food for me. We didn't
do the matching so you don't get a specific glass of wine or
whatever it is for each tasting menu we selected our own which
was was pretty good.
What was it? It was a Vacher array is is what it was actually
so here's the die have to give the guy credit because you
notice this immediately I thought it was that was
interesting. You noticed it it was a cheap wine. They were
talking about a wine and a first class restaurant for $40
you would actually look that you were pointing at something that
was more like $100 because I could see what it was we were
discussing the list and then he said no no, you should really
try this one. This was good. Yeah, it was like 40 bucks.
Yeah, he down sold us into me amazing wine store that down on
sells you as a wine store you can trust and the wine was
outstanding. It could because I mean, this particular wine is
usually nothing special. It's just kind of a drinking wine
which which by the way, when you have a tasting menu, if you take
people out there, if you go for the tasting menu, generally
speaking, you don't want a wine that overpowers the food and
chefs hate it when people you know ordered or love feet or off
challenge some killer wine that actually distracts from the art
artistry of their tasting menu. They'd rather have you have
something functional that it just you know basically washes
the food down slightly neutral not a bad one a good wine, but
nothing that you should be not going ooh and or the wine all
night you and me they don't like me. That's not what you're
taking a tasting menu for you should be having an inexpensive
functionally, a good wine with a tasting menu. Not some stunning
$500 bottle that just Blows your head off. Anyway, that's a
little tip.
It was good. I can't quite remember. I remember the every
single dish I liked, but I don't really remember them. You know,
this just takes too long.
It's too many there were too many pasta starchy dishes for my
taste. There was a spaghetti thing that has some pieces of
meat in it. I didn't like that. Yeah, like soup was good.
There's
the Dungeness crab soup was outstanding because it didn't
have any like crabby taste, you know? No, no sea foodie tastes
it was you know, it
was really good banter. And then at the end, there was some sort
of a meat dish of some sort. There was a, you know, skirt
steak or hanger steak or something like that cut into
small slices. It was actually quite nice. And, or was a
actually it was a fattier cut. I can't remember. But anyway, and
then they had some some nice desserts. It was a good, it was
a good it's a good place for people to check out.
And it wasn't, it wasn't overly expensive either. wasn't cheap,
but you know the, what's at the Ritz Carlton was at the wrist.
Yeah, yeah, that was more expensive.
Yeah. And it probably was less satisfying half a cent for this.
And for the Calvados,
which is Whoa, yeah. But you know, that can't live on
Calvados alone. Oh, you can have that at the bar. You don't. Oh,
wow. So now are we having we're having one more dinner before I
leave Monday?
You're leaving on Monday?
No, I'm leaving on. Now. We're eating on Monday, aren't we?
Yeah. Okay, where are we going?
There's the you know, it's a new place. It's called something
like I actually can't remember the name of it. It's like, it's
got some three letter name. We're gonna be adventurous.
Yeah, well, this place I've seen a crops up in the conversation
every so often. And then I think you know, I should check this
place that we're we're gonna go up to Cyrus up in Healdsburg,
which is one of the great restaurants in California. But
it just seemed like too much too much work. And so we'll do this
place it's called Ida or Eisah or something like that. I'm
looking for the I should know the name off the top of my head.
But you know, just you know, as guys who are very experimental,
everything's going to be kind of avant garde. Oh, boy, this
fusion and midget it gets a lot of good reviews.
You're not gonna leave me with a literally with a bad taste in my
mouth. Eisah ISA is what it's called on Steiner Street.
Is that it? Yeah,
I'm looking at the that's pretty cool. We use opentable.com.
Yeah, points. Now, the interesting thing about
OpenTable, you get like 100 points every time you booked one
of these points for I don't know, can you can you win by
ever showing me that list of teddy bears or anything I can
get for all these points are a free meal.
We're gonna save for the bike.
I get with these points. They said, you've now got 4000
points.
What what are those choppers?
Points? Oh, he's baffled by that fantastic. And the weird part
about it? Because they give you these points, whatever they
mean, is that you, you have these. They have these
occasional I only did this once I got 1000 points because
sometimes just 100 points a reservation. But there's special
deals. If you go to some restaurant that's about to go
out of business. I'll give you 1000 points.
Oh, there's incentives. I get it.
There's incentives was like for what? The biggest kick out of
that.
We got to figure that out what those points are. Let me see.
Maybe I should ask them. What was what did you What did you
expect it to be on the website?
But I you know, I never really paid much attention to I just go
in there. By the way. For people out there who are concerned.
There's a kind of a belief that there's a backdoor.
Oh, yeah. On the Open Table. Yeah. You've told me about this.
Yeah.
You're doing if you're doing a con. If you're doing some sort
of a merger or acquisition, book it through your secretary
directly
and not through us. Don't let her use OpenTable either, right
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the minimum point you need to get a dining check? Well, it
doesn't tell you that. Yeah. Right. And by the way, yes,
under the FAQs, dining points will expire.
Minus one ways as bullshit. Anyway, whatever. Yeah, it's
still convenient.
So well, there's a lot we could talk about right now. Well, I
want to kind of leave it leave it to you because I've got an
answer to everything.
Yeah, you invested in gold, which was smart. Thank you.
In fact, I bought some more. Oh, god. Yeah. I told you like
Monday. Yeah, like Monday, I bought more.
Yeah, I think it's I think it's I think that I think we're at
rock bottom. Although I have a bet with my one of my broker
friends in Massachusetts, who actually owns a brokerage. He's
saying 6000 And the bet I might bet is that the market is going
to hit 14,000 before it hits 6000. And he ended when the
market was at 10 Five and getting a little flaky. That's
when he I gave the idea about the voices. I think he's gonna
hit 6000 Right. I think he's gonna hit 14 before it hits six.
I'll bet you 100 bucks. And then he's the Rene wouldn't do it. He
was chicken. But now that it like bounced off seven 800 or
something you know, and can kind of rebounded. He's now he's big
shot. So he's gonna be took the bet finally. I can't see it
going to six. Well, I but I'd be shocked. I'm not
quite sure what you base that on. Because, of course, no one
has any information. Apparently, we're just looking at CNBC half
the day. But I think I think it'll go to 7500 this week. I
think that is totally where they're going to keep the bottom
for a while. But they have to shock some more. And this is,
you know, my theory, this is completely controlled demolition
of the financial system. And I'm happy to explain that more. But
I think
you could probably explain it. You could really, I think daily
source code, ladies and gentlemen, you should listen to
his show, daily source code where he's going to explain that
Fuck you. So I think 6000 is absolutely possible.
Yeah, well, hey, I mean, this guy's a professional in the
business and he agrees with you.
So the thing that just blew me away, you know, we talked about
we talked about last week we talked about Iceland about them
about the country basically going bankrupt. I think we did.
No, I
don't think we did anything. Like, I'm reading these stories.
I mean, they're a bunch of these Iceland going bankrupt, going
bankrupt. What did they do there?
They were in the banking business. That's what the it's
only 300,000 people that lived there. They were all in the
banking business. But check it out, man because they had high
interest rates. Everybody, including all these government
services, all the counties in the UK and it's also I just read
in the Netherlands, I'm sure we'll hear about France and
other places, including the the London Metropolitan Police had
50 million pounds stored there. Because of the high interest
rate, all those funds are frozen. And then Prime Minister
Gordon Brown comes out and says, Hey, you know, I'm invoking the
terrorism rule on you guys. It's like it's like, what? Yes. He
said, I'm freezing all assets. Everything that has to do with
Iceland is now considered a terrorist threat. He input Yes,
he invoked
using new Rico for just anything, you know, some women's
so
yes, I'm telling you now. This is ridiculous. I'll shoot I'll
shoot your link. No, it's It's from the BBC. It's fucking
crazy. Unbelievable. And this is why they wanted that Lisbon
Treaty all set up before October surprise, surprise. God bless
Ireland.
Good luck getting anything done now. Well, you know, it's all
yes. Good day. Ireland. We'd love you. Yeah,
absolutely. They're standing strong. They're holding back on
this. This is This is nuts. You can't have you know,
immediately, you know, the IMF and the World Bank show up of
course, these guys look at them. If you see him on C span or
anywhere else, they're all smiling because I like it. We do
this all the time in Africa. I'm going to do it to the fucking
United States. Hey, you want to loan? Hey, Iceland, you want to
loan? Yeah, if you if you default on the loan, of course,
we'll take your firstborn. So Iceland says nah, screw you
guys. And they go to Russia. Politically, this is this is out
of control with the Icelanders did they they asked for a 4
billion euro loan from Russia. And they said the IMF and the
World Bank said no, thank you. We hate we don't like your
conditions. You know, which means you know, of course
they'll take all the mineral assets or whatever. Iceland
Yeah, right. Some scam. Yeah. What they've done in Africa all
these years. economic hitmen? style. That's what's happening.
Yeah. And so now we have all the g7 financial ministers meeting
tomorrow, the the EU financial ministers meet. And the
predictions and this actually Silvio Berlusconi said this.
Think it was yesterday and he retracted it a couple hours
later, he said, you know the financial markets are all going
to shut down for a couple of days or maybe a week while we
figure it all out. And of course, basically rewrite the
rules. It's been done before. And but it's funny because he
immediately retracted that statement said no, no, no, it's
just something I heard on the radio. No world leader actually
said that. Like you could just see the red phone ringing. Bald
Italian shit. What do you do on your dipshit? And in the you
know, so then of course, they'll fix the whole system. Emphasis
on fix, dude, we can now borrow our own money at interest. This
is so cool. Then, you know, so our tax money goes into the
banks and then the banks will lend it to you for a fee.
That's not genius.
Yeah, of course. The people who own the world Oh man.
Well, the Iceland thing has fascinated me because I guess
there's some billionaire there screwed things up. And you know,
I've been to Iceland I think as I've been there
let John they over leveraged that's they did what everyone
else did. Except Yeah, they
got suckered. Yeah, of course they got. By the way. There was
a funny article with some one of these bankers there was it
wasn't the IMF. It was some some other big oversea groups and
they ranked all the banks. This is blog, by the way and the
vortex.org/blog Look it up. Anyway, they ranked all the
banks in the world and Canada came in number one, because they
didn't buy into any of this crap. And we're done now.
Britain came in 44. And we
came in 40. Cat makes Yes.
So he came in 40. Yeah. And, and the you know, you'd like I said
Great Britain came in 44th. But we came in 40. Just below
Namibia. The Namibians have a better banking system than we
have. What is wrong with this picture?
Well, I think they're rolling it all up, man. They're all rolling
it up into one system, they're going to rewrite the rules. And
that will be based on carbon credits.
We have we have one of the bloggers, one of my editors on
the divorce.org/blog to work uncensored site has picked up on
the over this weekend, there's a rumour going around, they're
going to try to make an international banking system of
some sort that works better. Well, yeah. And that's not what
I just said. Yes, what you just said is what you've been saying
for a while. Yeah,
and it'll be based on carbon credits. I read those 451 pages
John and Annie while the media is like oh, there's wouldn't
arrowheads bla bla bla bla, if you actually look into this
thing, man, it's just handed all over. Go ahead. Go make it
they're gonna they're just gonna make up one banking system.
It'll all be rolled up at the top
what carbon credits what a scam. Yeah, but that's what it's
gonna be. It's already in this bill. They're setting it up.
Because think about it. You know, gold of course we know
won't work anymore. Because there's there's probably not
enough gold to cover all the crap all the paper that's out
there. So if you take carbon credits, you can set a random
number and say, you know, that's the limit. We can't have any
more just have the IPCC drop some stupid, stupid document and
we'll all buy it like idiots have Al Gore do a video clip and
we'll go along like stupid sheep.
And you know, who's one of the guys behind it? If you would
there's floating around you can anyone out there can check it
out, which is the George Soros are being interviewed by
Excuse me, how long? How long have I been telling you that
George Soros is is in this whole game?
You've always this is one of your themes. Yes. Thank you. I
never denied that. He's got some influence. Some influence on the
bill. Bill Moyers who's you know, Bill Moyers, who's this
character that he's like the interviewer that is like, I have
mixed feelings about him he gets good people but he's always so
like, you know, kind of befuddled by everything. They
say most of the people in the media when it comes to like if
you even bring up you know, default credit swaps know what's
on this land? They don't get it they don't know they don't want
to know anyway so so Soros is on Moyers and he's like going on
and on and on and be good you know say all sounds pretty good
you know, because he sounds like he's got a grip on it. And then
he turned into a
reptile cop and credit credit exactly there you go. The
international banking system
this is like just as trading this is just completely to me
it's like baffling How is talking about the emperor has no
clothes there's no such thing I mean carbon credits dude it's
like a total control freak thing it's ridiculous and people
love this Oh yeah. Let me do my part to save the world. Yes I
can when you have
a footprint when you want to reduce my carbon footprint when
you book
easy jet right which is the website is easy the flying is
easy but the prices are getting out of control of course you
know just general commodity prices etc but you've got a you
know, you buy a ticket and you get all these extra taxes and
then it actually says they have the after you've booked you
know, oh, I only have two suitcases that only be 24 pounds
then they have the audacity to say hey, you know you can reduce
all of your carbon usage on this flight. That'll be another 50
pounds and you can actually take in your money right there.
They'll take it as carbon credits.
Unbelievable and Pete I think we had started and I think you I
and a few of investors do we need to start green jet
green jet that's right green jet when we're at 37,000 feet we
turn off the engines and we coast
we Coast there's no reason to keep the engines going as
hard as long and get up high enough we can just coast that
fucker all the way down no problem Jeff Green jag comm
float the friendly skies coast into credit. Coast and for
carbon
just have like, no aisles.
So you know, this is this is this is totally the whole thing.
I'm so convinced of it.
scam
but we're falling for it man.
It's a scam. We're being scammed. hopefully everyone's
being scammed. We know that so let's let's get to the debate
and try to get to and come up with
all right now are you downloading something because
you're breaking up a little bit?
No, I'm not downloading anything. As a matter of fact,
shit. It's good. But you know I have a browser open on the other
computer. Let me go turn it off.
Yeah, please do that. And yeah, that's that's funny because I've
you know, so the signal is dropped out twice during during
the show and I know that's the problem that on my end, but now
I have full signal. There's usually not a problem. I'm not
downloading anything. I don't think I was looking at it. You
know, people should, it's
always possible that somebody is latched on, you know, some, some
eight, you know, some person is like somehow got pretty good
encryption. So it seems unlikely but it's always possible that
somebody outside on my device
or online, it could be mine too. I mean, you know, at the end of
the day, I'm in a huge apartment building. So maybe that maybe
that might be neighbours. A little leash? Who's downloading
porn again? I'll get you.
Yeah, it's talking about that neighbour.
You know, I have not seen her since.
You talked about her on daily source code. Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, well, for people that listen to the just to the show.
Adam has a next door neighbour and his it he lives in this
condo thing in San Francisco. It's one of these fancy
buildings you know, with a guard out in front. BMWs coming in and
out in a few Bentley's kind of thing.
Hold on, hold on. Hi, John. neighbour. Hold on a second.
Hold on a second. This connection is to is just getting
too shitty. Let me just call you right back. It'll be worth it.
All right. All right. All right. Man, hate that so much with the
passion. Alright, let's try this again. Okay, we're back. You
were talking about you're going to talk about my MILFy
neighbour.
Yeah, you know that my connection by the way, I'm gonna
have to discuss this with my
was on your end. This time, there was something really
weird,
I think so I'm getting a according to this thing. 1.6
megabits down, as opposed to 16 which I normally get. And I
can't figure out what the deal is. Because this isn't working
right here on the whole place. Unless there's somebody unless
something you know, I was gone for a few days, I turned off the
modem and next thing maybe doesn't come back to life,
right? I don't know. Well, it sounds okay. Now, see, neighbour
don't
mess with anything. Yeah. And she's beautiful. But I have not
seen her since that one quick, competent conversation we had
where she, she was like, Oh, I work two hours a day for Obama.
And I know she could see my face.
The look of disappointment. Well work two hours a day for Obama.
As you say like that guy Obama.
Even I'm not that sleazy. Because I do Obama rocks. I knew
I'm so stupid. Of course, the goes through my head is like
don't say anything. Don't say anything. Don't say anything.
Don't get into it. Because usually I'll say I hate both
those guys. I hate McCain and Obama. You know, this is a total
sham and like, don't get into it don't get complicated. And by
then it was too late. You know? Hey, but you're right. I should
have totally sad man. He's He's the bomb. He's so the bomb. I
went over to my place and I'll show you my Obama posters.
For two hours, Holy mackerel.
Oh, by the way. Oh, by the way, this is so funny. You may have
blogged this, but it showed up on the drop.io/no agenda,
apparently. So there's early voting and in upstate New York,
on the ballot, or absent this is actually an absentee voting. A
whole slew of ballots went out and you could choose the name
Barack Osama what exactly that was the name the instead of
Barack Obama it said Barack Osama
Well, that sounds corrupt humba ballot. I love it. Good move.
That's the best Republicans can do.
Oh my goodness. That's so funny. Oh sama.
Okay. Well, let's talk about the debate.
Well, I mean, I I've talked about this on daily source code,
I can be really, you know, short, it's just the thing. So
it was a lousy TV show. It was a stupid set. They promised us a
town hall meeting or that was bullshit. It was a it was a it
was a set with with bleachers there wasn't even like a fake
the completion of pho kind of like capital looking building
type set, it could have done that with some arches, and made
it look a little different than now. I mean, because, you know,
this is McCain's thing and not not again, not that I give a
shit who wins because both of them are run by evil people. But
it has been pretty funny to see how David Letterman and Jon
Stewart have made a lot of fun of that debate because they it
was pretty prone to video editing and doing some cool
stuff with it. Particularly McCain roaming around while
Obama was talking. They got some isolated cameras and said doing
some funny stuff. But otherwise, it was just it was pretty
boring, although I will say I thought it was interesting that
John McCain said and this is what not so interesting about
what he said but about the the public's reaction. He said you
know wouldn't you want your your mortgages to be bought up and
then you know sold back to you at a at a better rate on a 30
year. And the the mainstream media picks us up as what an
idiot well how can he say something stupid like that? And
people start repeating that and I'm thinking, you know, that's
actually not a bad idea.
Actually Soros had a similar idea which is kind of the irony
of that. So I'm sure the mainstream media is like
confused now. Oh, wait a minute Soros says it's good idea to
well, maybe we're let's just stop talking about it. We're
just horrible. That mean, the mainstream media is just really
it's just deteriorated. There's not a
single single programme or station you can watch where
you're actually getting any information.
So I thought it was interesting that Obama would had the stylish
way of sitting with his suit on he looks
like he's in GQ. Yeah, he looks hot, totally.
And big smile on his face.
I like that. No, he was good. He definitely had that whole. There
were barstools or something like that. But he felt very
comfortable.
Let me just mention a couple of things that I noticed that that
I brought out I have this big giant box that I've written all
those notes on Okay, and I recited it because it was going
to be well you know, if you take a big box by the way this tape
for people
then you lose your notes. Is that what this is about?
He got it I got this big huge box I can show it to you I can
take a picture I believe you please do this and be well hey,
what can I say take up take your time flies you know take
a picture of of your of your work room anyway. I will note in
that note, write that on your box.
And box. Yeah, but she I would have lost the notes if they're
on paper. But the big box is like laying around the house. So
I guess this box
is bucking box. Oh, yeah. And I remember
all right. God knows. Unless you want I got most of the sides
covered. But anyway, so Okay, so both these guys are kind of
boneheads, but my favourite is Obama. I have a lot of
favourites. But one of them. I'm going to start with some of the
notes on this box. I actually wrote too many notes. Obama's
going on spending time talking about Kennedy Roosevelt and
doubling the Peace Corps. And there were that I think we've
got a double the Peace Corps. Hey, buddy, I thought you're
supposed to be the future changes. You know, they go back
to the 60s the Republicans have the Republicans have a good
point about him looking backwards all the time because
that's what he's doing. Kennedy Roosevelt, the Peace Corps. So
okay, so you gotta get a little note I'm going to spend time and
blah blah defines spending 6.8 billion in savings overhead
projector the overhead the overhead projectors however
Obama kept saying look, you know, look, you know, look, you
know, I don't like I don't like it you're not gonna do that.
Just don't that's condescending look. Hey, you you slave look,
look look at me when I'm talking to you or I'll tase you
somebody said living high on the hog I didn't make a note who it
was McCain Miss got mishandled the small business tax deal he
screwed it up because they you know they could harp on that
here's the here's the thing. Obama says something about I
think I wrote this up in a piece Obama went on about you know, no
one is going to have to pay more you know for people making over
$250,000 and this and that you know are going to
this is definitely you've fallen away here John
fact of the matter is all small businesses make about a quarter
over quarter of a million dollars a year and the way the
taxes are done that's kind of what you that's your tax
it seems like a lot of money small money anymore 250 grand
for a
small business when you get paid for it all and McCain dropped
the ball on it because he's never run a small business
Obama's never run a small business none of these guys have
so they've you know, basically they're gonna soak everybody so
the small business guys are going to have to raise prices
and it's just going to screw the middle class that he's trying to
fix anyway I thought that was it but but McCain did dead said
nothing about he let it go roll there it goes. There's an
opportunity shot but also John and here's another note at
one second these you know these guys are tired you know they're
just reading the script at this point because this you know this
it is a rock show they're all over the place they're flying
all over the country that you know there's there's it's a very
very irregular life it is it is living on the road is like being
a rock star. These guys are tired man that just no wonder
they're missing stuff. This is an outrageous performance.
They're getting really
Yeah, it strike. They're they're over the hill, both of them,
they suck. By the way, I want to mention something here for
everyone who likes to listen to right wing talk radio. I got the
biggest kick and one of the guys who made this flaw and I think
they've all pretty much done it but A lot of the strategist too.
And the one I'm pointing the finger at here is Rush Limbaugh
who does and he's not the only one it's like in the argument
goes like this look Biden made all these really good attacks on
Obama and Hillary had these fantastic things that she had
brought up against Obama why he should lose and what was why you
shouldn't vote for him you should Why isn't McCain take
picking this up and going with this you know, with these great
arguments that these two people made and the first thing that
comes to my mind is hey, those guys lost with those arguments
Exactly.
Go in the negative thing isn't working that just does not work
people are sick and tired of it they really bright Yeah, and
when either one of the candidates because I did watch
CNN this time when either one of the candidates goes all
patriotic you know all people just love it nationalism
boingboing spike in the charts on both sides.
Yeah, nationalisms in. Um, so apparently, neither one of them
get that
I really I just for the country. I was gonna say just for the
country sake, I really hope Obama wins. I really do. I mean,
I don't want to hear why. Because you know, if he loses,
oh, man, we're gonna have it'll be riots. It's gonna be messed
up. I see the hatred. I see that I feel the tension. Please. I
want him to win. And then I can just you know, every day I'll
have a new show and say, well, he lied about that. Oh, gee,
he's not going to do that. Oh, well, look, we're still at war.
Oh, look, oh, the economy's still shit, you know, it'll be a
lot more interesting. And it will be a lot you know, then
maybe that rage will be converted into something else.
So we when they find out that he's just the frontman and a
shill.
Yeah, well, that's what you know, Brzezinski and and Soros
and those guys will be running the country. So we're raping it.
I thought it was weird that that but let's face it, McCain is
losing this election because he turns out to be a weak
candidate. He doesn't look good on television. He doesn't
present himself well. He's doing a crappy job. I mean, it's not
that he can't win, but it's like, you know, maybe this thing
is rigged so he doesn't win. Well,
so that's the real question he comes up with is the voting
machines you know, and all that that's where it maybe doesn't
even matter maybe it's just academic dude. I have no trust
economy due to lunch you notice that?
Don't tase me bro
let's see here an elegant walking. Oh, yeah. The other
thing is in this town hall meeting which was hardly that
McCain looks terrible wandering around. He's like he's gonna you
know because it's not like a close intimate thing. He's like
walking it looks like a robot he cuz he's so beat up from the you
know, his days and, and, you know, Obama's kind of slick and
he's moving around. Yeah. So I thought that was bad. That
didn't look good.
That get well you know, again, it's rich. What what McCain is
good at and I have seen it more on C span than anywhere else.
Yeah. When he when he's in the crowd. And obviously there's no
opponent there. But he's when he's in a crowd. You know, he
really he works the audience. He's great. This wasn't an
audience. It's like half a stacked audience. They had all
preset pre pre configured questions. Everyone knew what
was coming and they just everyone sat there and read the
script. In fact, Tom Brokaw at the end said dudes get out of my
way I can't read the script
now dammit, I got this really good quote here but I only have
part of I don't remember what it was a reference to but Obama
said one of the dumbest things ever about the internet. I'm
gonna have to make an no wasn't about the internet because it
was something else like predates the internet. And it was a
stupidest thing he's ever said. Man, well,
he had to do a search on the horse. I'll help him maybe.
Maybe it'll trigger something. So
okay, this was before the internet. But he was something
that there was a reference to something some technology but it
wasn't well know
what he said. The boneheaded thing I heard was it started out
just like a research project. That's what got all the that's
what made the personal computer and it was made as a government
research defence project. And what he meant was the internet
but he said computers
Okay, well then he said it this way, because I got the exact
quote in may have been about computers and it wasn't. It was
the following invented by government scientists for
defence purposes, so we could better communicate Oh, this is
it. This was the invention of the computer, the original
computer. The UNIVAC did thing at night, you know during the
war. Yeah. So yeah, okay, that's what it was. So when the first
computer was invented, which is arguably in 1930 or 1940,
depending on what what timeline you want. He said the following
invented by government scientists for defence purposes
so we could better communicate. It wasn't about communication it
was about about calculating artillery shells and other
things. Computer wasn't used for communications until there was
networking, which took a long time to develop. So this is just
bull. Yep. That sounds like, essentially, you know, I've
noticed this with this guy, he makes it up as he goes along.
Yeah, he sounds good. He reminds me of like, my kids, when they
were like, 12. You know, they just say, you know, stuff off
the top of their head is always true. I love it. When he that
really bothers me about Tesla,
when he explains what he does all the numbers about, it'll be
$2,500. And if you're making less than $250,000, John McCain
wants to tax your rebates for the first time you're going to
tax this, like, and my eyes are rolling in my head is swimming
like, and now am I getting that good deal or not? I don't
understand that anymore. And he did the I think he did this.
Maybe it was McCain the, you know, we have 3% of the world's
oil. We use 25% Oh, I
hate this This. This. I've been I've been getting some email on
this. I hate this bullshit. I can't believe that they get away
with it. We have 3% of the oil reserves. And we use 20. And
we're the 25. We use Word. We use a quarter we're the we
consume 25% on a yearly basis that 3% of the oil reserves can
represent 100 years of use for us. But it doesn't, but it's
like the way they structure it. It's a bogus specious argument.
It just galls me every time I hear it
well, but most people can't get past the voting numbers on
American Idol, John, that's the problem that this is this is the
type of numbers we understand. Okay, got more votes? Got it.
Okay, two to two to one. Maybe if I text I can change something
in the world.
You know, most people didn't they never bring up the fact by
the way that coal were the Saudi Arabia of coal, the United
States, we have enough coal, forget all the alternative
energy stuff. We have enough coal, if we just use that to
power the country, which would include everything for the next
350 years.
And there's a lot of clean coal technology now that is, is
really, really good. And it has a very high carbon credit
rating. But it seems like McCain took McCain took another
donation from the Nuclear Association. My goodness, yeah,
he was rolling out plant after plants. Yeah, that's pretty. I
was like, wow, we're sitting
on so much coal. You know, we can make electric cars into that
whole thing that we had actually created 150 years. How much
longer do you want?
And it could create jobs. And I'm sorry, what? It could create
jobs? Yeah, it would. It could be huge. So you were harping
because we did talk right after the right after the debate. We
had a quick chat. And you were harping about the handshake
thing. Where Michelle Obama didn't shake anyone's hand and
John McCain tap. Oh, yeah. But you know, Michelle, and I got a
blog that well, maybe we don't want to Michelle Obama was on
Jon Stewart show. And by the way, outstanding performance,
she did a great job. And she said no, no, that was read was
really overblown. She's and it's actually she was she did a whole
junket, she was on Larry King, and she's hitting all the all
the all the shows that matter. And she said, you know, we had
already greeted each other backstage and we knew we'd
already exchanged our pleasantries. So, you know, with
that context is like, okay, you know, they probably weren't
aware of the top shot that the camera was, although stupid if
they aren't, but they weren't thinking about it. And so, you
know, I think that was just the incorrect perception.
Okay, I'll take your word for it. I'm not gonna I makes it
easy. I
gotta tell you, I like her. She is she's a little powerhouse,
but not little actually. She could probably sit on me. Huge.
She's huge. She's she's bigger than, than Obama.
Oh, she's twice his size. Oh, she's gonna be she must have
weighed twice as much as Obama knows
nobody. She's taller. And he's and he's not.
No, he's like, six one. Yeah.
Oh, she's she's taller. like, Whoa, she's
a basketball. She's like a big girl. So I thought this was a
funny line from McCain. I'm sorry, I missed that.
Oh, can I just say one more thing about about sending me a
message or thing about Michelle? Because Jon Stewart, I love
this. He brought it up. He said, you know, what was that thing
with all those kids and the, you know, the of course that's the
video we referred to a couple of times done by Hollywood insiders
with us hypnotised kids who are saying, you know, Obama's here
to save the world, whatever the hell they were singing. And her
response was quite interesting. I'm sure you can find it
somewhere on the YouTube or Hulu or whatever. She said, Oh, yeah,
no, we shut that down. I'm really quick. I was like, whoa.
Cut. Well, they should they have a clue. Yeah, these Hollywood
guys are the Boneheads. Yeah, indeed. Okay. So they think
they're doing somebody a favour when they're screwing him. So
here's the little McCain line. Everything I learned was from a
chief petty officer. Oh, yeah. Right. That that was
interesting.
And then what Obama say he had he had a good line. He was what
do you not know that you still have to learn? Or? And he said,
well, right up there as Michelle, she knows everything.
I mean, wow, that was so good.
Well, I you know, I get, unfortunately believe that Obama
won that debate. Oh, totally. Here's another thing I didn't
like McCain doing McCain constantly saying, my friends in
that kind of, kind of patronising manner. And then he
also kept throwing in that old sales trick, which doesn't even
work anymore. And it sounds terrible. Like, for example, I'm
talking to you, Adam. I'd be saying So Adam. Adam. Yeah, that
kind of thing. He kept doing that with Tom broke. I said,
Well, Tom, Tom, blah, blah, blah, blah, hey, we know who he
is. Okay. I mean, are you forgetting yourself? I mean, I
just find it extremely annoying. I hear people doing it all the
time. It's a sales trick. But it's an old fashioned one from
the 50s or something that nobody likes? Well, John, what do you
think about this, John? I think, John, I know my name. You're so
right.
You're so right. Meanwhile, his face has fallen off.
Okay,
we got a little extra delay on Skype tonight, by the way.
Yeah, I figured that out. Which makes this show sound crappy for
people out there that don't realise it. You know, sometimes
the timing between the two of us in terms of a reaction is
because the Skype itself is like, you know, not working
right. not cooperating. But he also had this hair. He had a
hair transplant joke that fell pretty flat. And then he kind of
went and went dead. And then he says, well, I might need one
myself. And it was like, I guess a slam against Biden or
something? Because I think, you know, the, it was actually not
Sarah Palin. But it was Tina Fey. You know, I think that
these these characters have started getting mixed up in the
public's minds. Were Tina Fey on her fake debate with Joe Biden
character on Saturday Night Live, calls him out on his hair
plugs.
I'm telling you, man, these guys are so tired. They don't know
what they're saying anymore. That's what I mean. And by the
way, fire the writer, John, for this, this episode of our
reality show known as the presidential debates, fire the
writers they sucked.
Yeah, definitely. Where's Karl Rove when you need him? Yeah, I
don't think they're using him.
No, I don't know if they've kind of be using him and probably No,
I don't think so. They're not now they're doing all the
commercials that they're really laid in really hard and heavy
with the commercials. You know, this whole thing.
Done Right. No finesse, no finesse? No, Rove is a master of
finesse.
Do you think they fired him?
No, they never hired him. That's the problem.
Well, they did some things, right. They got a lot of virals.
They know that they're doing really well with that. But
something changed. I mean, it was it was bad.
Well, it's just I mean, it's I think, from the beginning, when
McCain went into the tank, and then the party, because I had
all these, you know, I had this prediction about who was going
to be the nominee no matter what, because I think that was
promised to him. And I think the party, you know, pushed
everybody aside in one way, shape or form. And they they
left Huckabee and the race to make sure Romney couldn't get
in. That was the reason for that strategy. And so it was a
Huckabee ploy. And so then the next thing, you know, you know,
McCain sneaks back into the thing, and they got he gets what
he was promised probably in 2001. They screwed him. And I
think he was probably Karl Rove, who did it back then, which
means now I think McCain is not the type of guy who says, Wow,
you screwed me good. I'd like you to work for me. I think he's
more of the guy says, You screwed me get out of my face.
Yeah, I
hope people understand. So I don't think I hope people
understand that this is exactly how it works, you know, and
there is all this huge politicking going on behind the
scenes and you know, people are promised something and I heard
that Biden, he didn't even accept Obama's. You know, when
they were scoping them out. He said, at first I said, No, I
don't want to do that. And then he has all these. He has like a
whole list like like a rider. You know, no, no red m&ms and
all this stuff. Biden's got a whole deal going on.
The weird thing about Biden that was pointed out to me, you know,
and Andrew Horowitz and I do a occasional podcast. So on the
mark on the stock market, yes, good and what you like, yeah, I
seem to enjoy.
Yeah, I heard the the last one you guys did, too.
He brought up the fact that Biden's net worth is $250,000.
Yeah.
That's like nothing.
How does that work? The guy's been in the Senate for 30 years.
If he just bought like a plot of land in Georgetown, you know,
when he first got there for whatever you'd pay then which
would be next to nothing and be multimillionaire. He'd be a
multimillionaire. So how does he end up with a net worth of
$250,000? Unless he's a complete financial incompetent?
Did he vote for the bailout package?
It says, Wait a minute slips. So let's go back over this. This is
a steady job that pays six figures that has lots of perks,
free medical, all kinds of other things you get out of it. Not to
mention probably a few stock tips that are worthwhile. And he
has a net worth of $250,000.
Where does this information come from? Is this like a big thing
everyone's talking about? Now, that people
in the financial community, I guess, but nobody's brought it
up?
Christmas? First, I heard of it. Let me see. Hold on a second.
That's interesting. Well, I mean, I heard it on the way
Andrew said it when I was listening to the show. Yeah, he
said it. So matter of fact, they were like, Oh, does it does
everybody. Everybody know that?
The lifestyles of the presidential candidates have
become the topic du jour. This presidential cycle. Senator
McCain is still catching fire from the defenders of the little
people for saying he didn't know how to shut up. And Republicans
continue to paint Obama,
this guy's an idiot. As an elitist just get to the bid
already fit into all
this competitive formatting. Well, last year, the Washington
Post did a review of all the assets of all the presidential
candidates, including their spouses, Senator Biden's
estimated net worth total value after all the mortgages,
honoured $250,000, this guy has spent his whole life in public
service and says he took a second mortgage on his house to
pay for one of his kids education, as a big countered
any elitist charges against the New Democratic ticket. The man
from scratch is 100 to 150,000. Net Worth today's number.
That's even that's even worse. Wait, wait, wait, wait, that was
it. Wait, that was
he paints it says he paints this as positive.
Yeah, because he's one of these irregular Joe Say it Ain't So
Joe. He's Joe six,
regular bonehead. I mean, there are guys working at the steel
mill with a better network than that it
was Ms. NBC NBC. That's why it's good. Yeah, it's good. It's
good. He's regular guy. He's not really evil,
that they would paint that as a positive thing. Yeah. 30 years,
and then all he can accumulate is 150,000. Even though Anders
thinks is to a quarter of a million, but $150,000 net worth
being in the Senate for decades, decades. And you know, having if
you have
money, if you have expenses, if you have a car loan, you're even
you're already halfway there.
Unbelievable. And the fact that they paint this as a positive
thing is even more astonishing to me. It's like this like it's
a they should be concerned. They shouldn't be just kind of
shocked and dismayed. They shouldn't say, Well, this is
great. The guy's broke. He's a bomb. Yeah, but
this is the thing that I keep telling you. It's become such an
maniacs in this country. We're so all over this Obama Biden,
and we love it. And it's so beautiful whenever these guys do
some stupid, idiotic or treasonous. It's like oh, yeah,
but he's the hope he's bringing change it he's lying. Yeah, but
there's hope that he's not lying.
Oh, there's hope that he's not lying. Yeah. what else what else
we got to be to, to depress the public. I'm actually not
depressed. I'm just gonna depress you. This is actually
kind of entertaining. I just I just thought market is kind of
depressing, I think but
wow, this is really short. I don't give a shit about the
stock market.
I'm short. Yeah. I am. I don't care. I mean, as far as I'm
concerned, yeah, go down more, I don't care. But, you know,
there's a lot of these really interesting again, I don't want
to keep cross promoting, but that's what I do. It pays off
you know that. But Andrew and I are gonna go over and go over
some of these financial vehicles. But one of the things
that people should know about their 401 K's is that with a
401k, or any of these, you know, IRAs, SEP IRAs, whatever you
want to call them, whatever you have. They are mines in that
tank because I haven't really been paying much attention to
this. And you can see by away. There's a couple of things. One
is the collapse of the stock market blew out most people's
401 K's, which, which is the message that people need to know
about privatising Social Security? Yeah. You privatise
Social Security. And you end up with a bunch of people that
don't know anything about anything, investing in stocks,
losing all their money all losing all their money, it's a
bad idea. And I really distressed about the Republicans
and their promotion of it, because it's extremely
irresponsible. Now, the people should know this too. And one of
the problems a lot of people are going to run into they have a
really strong foil when carrier or a good you know, one of these
self in doing these investment programmes where you do your own
investing is you can't short you can't short the market in the
investment portfolio you did, it's just illegal, totally, I
totally buy stock. You can buy stock, you can buy, you know
property. Now, there's different ways you can buy land and put it
in there. But there are investment vehicles that are
actually shorts. And they are there are they're called ETFs,
the exchange traded funds, and an exchange exchange traded
fund, you buy it, but the fund itself is shorting a segment of
the market that you think is going to go down. And so you can
actually short the market within your 401 K by buying exchange
traded funds that are shorts. It's a great trick people need
to know about this because not now because I think the markets
and not ever because it's all going away. Forget about it.
Because when the market skyrockets, which will happen
after one of these two guys gets elected, which it will, it'll go
up again and go up and up and up. And then it's going to go
down again because it goes up and it goes down. It goes up it
goes down. Hello. But anyway, when it's going down, there's no
reason to be long and a bunch of stocks. Look into some of these
short sighted, you know, ETFs. And just short that way it's a
chicken. It's kind of a trick that people should know about.
Because a lot of them by the way, these ETFs a bunch of
companies put them together power shares is one of the
better ones.
I thought it was kind of cute. Because I remember them hanging
this up in in New York near Times Square, the national debt
clock clock ran out of digits. That was kind of cute. Yeah.
Who would have thought that we ran out on the blog? Yeah, no,
I think everybody did it. It was a typical human interest piece
that throw away throw away at the end of the at the end of the
six o'clock news. You know, to fill up time.
I think every man and woman and child has something like that we
all owe $80,000 to the national debt
something outrageous.
Anyway, but Oh, I
did just want to say one. Yeah, go ahead.
No, I'm gonna say how do you you've been out here for longer
than usual. Are you getting sick of it? Now? How's the weather by
the way? You got great weather great weather.
Yeah, weather has been fantastic. Yeah, yeah, I'm
homesick. I told you that I'm homesick I want to go home. But
it's been really good because we basically started up you know,
the whole production studio we've got the hosted channels
running. Yeah, it's been good you know, this is something that
we need now was the time to do it. And I want to really make
sure I was here personally and all these kids man that the
office they figured out they got it so they're rolling. So my job
is done.
So you can take off I hope soon.
Thanks. Actually, some midweek I'm going back I got a family
thing. And then I'm coming back on like the Monday or Tuesday
after that, because we got a board meeting and don't want to
miss that. So then I'll be out
Yeah, no, I'm sorry to interrupt because again, the timings wrong
on this connection. But I just back to the Obama the McCain
thing. I just wanted to say this. Did you notice they're
both left handed?
Yes, I did notice that.
Isn't that true? What
are the chances of that? What are the actual statistical
chances of two presidential candidates running against each
other who are both left handed? It's just another piece of the
puzzle that proves my theory that they are working for the
same party.
Left handed to the left torium Anyway, okay, this back to your
rep. Sorry, I interrupted you because unfortunately I always
interrupt you and because of this lousy, which is weird since
we have a better connect When you're in England,
I don't know what it is man, you know that I can call in again,
but you know, why bother? Yeah, it kind of where let me see what
how much what time are we out here that we can pretty much
wrap it up anytime anyway.
I know you were saying you're we were you're enjoying it you're
going to take off for a while you're gonna come back right?
Yeah. So because of the board meeting
Yeah. So I would have stayed for another because then at the end
of the month, the 27th I think I'm speaking or I'm on a panel
at Digital Hollywood in Los Angeles. And I you know, now
that we have the new guy coming in Jeff carp, you know, there's
some time to do that kind of stuff, which is also important.
Not that I like it, though, honestly. In fact, I kind of was
flying back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.
No, that's not it's the London I don't like doing conferences and
panels and speeches. I just don't dig it.
Now some people don't like it. So I think the thing that would
be annoying is a flying bat in London to Los Angeles is a
miserable flight.
Now it's a great flight because I catch up on all my movies.
Virgin is really good. They refresh their movies every
single month. And and they're pretty current. So they got they
got some good studio deals that's really part part of their
offering and I'm very appreciative of it so yeah, I
watch three movies you know, read a book and and then I'm
done. And then I'm asleep. I'll eat and then I've landed and
then I just keep going so I don't need any turnaround time I
just march right on through
Yeah, well, I actually catch up on my I may have a trip to
Portugal coming up and I catch up on a lot of movie watching
myself and I usually bring if I bring enough reading material I
catch up a bunch of stuff I would have never read the
economist is like a magazine I should be reading religiously
from cover to cover but I don't have time and I when I'm on a
plane or something I have a bunch of images read them all
and even when they're like a month or two old it's the
articles are just fascinating,
although the economist because you know we had one of our
earlier shows you told me I should be reading this and I do
pick it up every flight as well along with you I'll pick up
Newsweek and Time you depending on what's on the cover. So that
was a really bullshit flimsy that their shadow of their
former selves, as far as I'm concerned with the economist,
economist, now the no Newsweek and Time, but the economy,
they're dead. They're, they're like comic books. That's how
thin they are. And it's totally nothing. Yeah. But then the
economist, I gotta tell you this they do have a lot of fluff in
there. You got to really get find the good articles. And you
know, really the main, the main feature because it fills up with
a lot of junk.
I think they're good when they get to when they do Africa
stuff. Yeah. And I think they're really good with Asia. I think
with Europe and the United States, I think I think that's
removed most of them because they're just they don't know
what's going on. It's like everybody else and I think they
just founder
I'm just looking through the notes here that Bill Moyers
interview George Soros was on I have a note here that says he
was talking about a better world order so that they've changed
the name a little bit now. As long as no longer New World
Order it's a better world order
second marketing speak.
Well, yeah, yeah. People will love it and better
world order. What the hell is that supposed to mean?
That means one bank one government what's the end repeat
after me? I am free. I am free.
I write run by those guys. Yeah. Run by those guys. Yep.
Those guys indeed.
Yeah, way. Well,
not just tell me this does bother you. Right. I mean,
you're a you were born in 19. Right after the Second World War
I got doesn't matter. Now. Come on. I just want ask your
question for a second. So
you like born after the Second World War? Yes. Yeah.
So you like I really have not ever been in a war situation
because of course, you know, the wars that that although
continuously ongoing, they really haven't. Well, I guess
you witnessed Vietnam a lot closer. But the times that we're
in now is this like the weirdest time you've ever witnessed
throughout history? Has it gone? Has it gotten progressively
worse? And the reason why I asked John, that happened we
looking at John Lennon and interview was like 30 years ago,
when he did that when he was with Yoko, and did that give
peace a chance. And he did the Amsterdam Hilton for a week in
bed and all that stuff. But this interview, he's like, you know,
our governments are run by maniacs, and they're the total
lunatics and he's basically, you know, saying the same stuff I'm
saying only 35 years ago, and I'm just wondering, has it
gotten worse in your opinion and your experience? No, It's always
been this bad or what is it?
Yeah, yeah, no, it's pretty pretty much like this. Well,
it's it. The problem is that you have the, you know, you have
this, like, you know, if you get me going on this again, my cycle
stuff, the problem you run into, and I'm old enough to have gone
through one of the cycles, even though it was, it was a mild
cycle, which was a depression that began in 1969, or does the
stock market crash in 1969, in a 10 year period of weirdness you
couldn't get it didn't even work for about a year and a half
after I graduated from college. And you know, and so throughout
the 70s, you end up with a, you know, a stag stagflation. And
then he had these credit, you know, price controls, and then
there was a gold pack decided to cut us off from oil. So there
were lines in the oil. I mean, it's actually worse in the 70s
than it is now from my perspective. And then, you know,
then he ended up with Jimmy Carter coming in, he was a
complete bonehead. And when, of course, he was run by
Brzezinski, your buddy, and you know, the same people that are
going to be running Obama's operation. So we're going to
have Carter again, as far as I can tell, if Obama gets in and
get new interest rates, we're like, 22%, if you wanted to get
a home loan, you have to pay 22% interest rates and was
ridiculous. And so it was a complete disaster. And I think
it was much worse during the 70s than it is now, this thing is
pretty isolated as financial institutions, it sounds bad, but
like a lot of people say, Hey, I don't have any money in the
stock market. What difference does it make, to me, the public
is not in the market, their pension funds are, but they can
throw that, you know, bricks at the pension fund managers, as
opposed to the market itself for that problem. So no, this is I
think, mild. I think the big one is yet to come. I think a real
Whopper is around the corner. Not tomorrow, not you know, I'm
thinking in the next year or perhaps a year after. But this
is This is bull, this is not a big deal of everyone.
So what you're what you're saying though, this is
interesting, because I'm actually I learned the whole
word stagflation from you. I think you told you mentioned
this word to me before it was ever even mentioned on CNBC. And
even then, you could see puzzled looks what is stagflation? But
this this pumping of money, and of course, it's being printed
since we don't actually have it. Now they might try and borrow
some from somebody, but it's doubtful so they're just going
to print it doesn't that just by definition, means that we're
going to get inflation perhaps the hyperinflation you've spoken
about previously was will just devalue our money and luckily,
it's it's worldwide now of course, because it's all been
harmonised and synchronised and they're controlling the money
supply manually and in unison. But won't we get when we get
like super stagflation. Now, I'm not going to happen tomorrow.
But won't that happen in the next two years?
Well, then I get the sense, because every time one of these
economic downturns they're legitimate one takes place, it
always has a different form. And I'm a little concerned about the
situation we're having now because it's possible, we could
fall into the abyss, like some people like to think that we're
doing. And then we just kind of go into a depression without a
boom, who really be annoying, because the real problem that
I'm looking at in terms of the the nature of things is that we
had a crash, and kind of a natural crash that took place
after the.com. Boom. And it was exacerbated by the 911.
situation, which was, which resulted in almost a decade.
Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine theory is, you know, they keep
hitting you with shocks. So at first we had, as you say, we had
the.com. And then we had the real estate, and you know,
what's next infrastructure, that's what's gonna happen next,
it's all going to be privatisation of all the roads,
the tunnels, the whatever, we're gonna get a huge, huge bubble.
And that's, and that's going to be the one and that may be two
years, that may be your cause. We need jobs. So let's do
infrastructure. All the infrastructure projects are out
of money, they only live like $80 billion per state, the
states are out of mind.
You know, anyway, there's a lot of possible scenarios, the thing
about big crashes and big downturns, they're always
different. And so you don't know if it's gonna be stagflation. I
mean, the one thing we've never had in this country, which is,
you know, just ripe, because it will fix so many things, and at
the same time, cause a lot of problems which is
hyperinflation, which I talked about before, because then you
can pay off. So yeah, let's give everybody sits on it. It's give
him a trillion dollars, you know, and we'll just do they owe
it to us, you know, and then, or we'll just take, we'll borrow a
trillion from the Chinese and then we'll give it to the Wall
Street guys, and then they owe us and we owe them and meanwhile
the dollar goes into hyperinflation and that trillion
dollars I'm holding, by the way I have here I'm gonna blog it
probably this next week, that $10 million to assess $10
million bill from
Zimbabwe. Oh, you Got one. Good. And you know, they just they
just somebody sent me new ones today or yesterday they just
made new they had to do it again. The zeros wouldn't fit.
Yeah.
Well the problem is, is that there's a really funny Bill
you'll get a kick out of seeing it as it doesn't have. I'm
looking for a mugabi some mugabi money with his picture on it. I
still haven't gotten there. But this I mentioned the guy, I have
his name, I'll plug him that just sent me the bill. But
anyway says $10 million. And I've never seen money like this.
This is the funniest thing. It's $10 million. And it's
real note with a mimeograph.
No, no, it's a really well printed note. It's not cheap
crap. Like, you know, the Confederate money wasn't during
the debt era. It's really a nice little note, except it's got an
expiration date printed on it.
I'm sorry, your money is past due the expiration date.
is expired.
No longer valid after all, that's great. Best or best
before? November 2.
You better spend his money, dude, because it's. So it's
like, Oh, brother.
That could happen. There's a lot of I've noticed that our money
has changed a lot. Yeah. Yesterday, I got some new
quarters as in change. And it now has Alaska. On the back. Do
you have any of these?
Oh, my daughter's collected all of them except Hawaii. And by
the way, one thing.
Let me just say one thing because she might be able to
help us in this. I had to I had an older quarter. And it really
feels like that it's a different weight or a different alloy. It
feels different. It doesn't feel as solid as the older quarter
has something changed?
Oh yeah, they've changed the composition a on and off for
forever. I mean, it used to even be made with some silver
content.
It feels it feels cheap Jack. It is cheap, but the older quarters
felt kind of good now it feels like cheap ass money. Like guilt
it's a little cheaper than it was you get used to it. So as
long as it triggers the parking metre it's all you care about.
But ya know every back of every one with everything you have
every state's got their own, you know quarter and this part of an
ID and one way of like keeping the money the money kind of
stable. If you turn yourself into kind of one of these what
was the San Martin or some of these some of these countries
that Monaco some of these countries that produce a lot of
commemorative stamps and and money commemorative money that
people collect, because everyone has the collecting bugs so you
save so instead of putting the money back in circulation, you
kind of you know, squirrel it away in some sort of a
collection that you think is going to become valuable
sometimes is a pretty great idea.
I have heard buying up gold coins which have an actual
amount of gold in them and then you know, overpaying or
collectibles or whatever that's that's ridiculous. You did the
right thing. Yeah, the real actual gold.
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's always gonna, you know, this does know
was just a piece of gold. I mean, it's real gold and you
just got a value. That's the market value. And as you just
buy it and sell it. Yeah, there's coins or reg crapshoot.
Yeah. So I think that's about it. I think we're done.
Yeah, I think so. We've covered most of the bases.
Yeah, I think we've ran the show up to almost two hours.
Now. What are we at? Now? Our word is 90 minutes, hour and a
half? Well, you know, it took us longer because we had to
reconnect a couple times and do all that shit. So that's where
you lost the time but thank God the the audience didn't get
sucked into that. All right, my friends. So am I see you. Monday
for dinner. Are you in the office? Monday?
Is a holiday.
Oh, that's right. Now what would the studio's running I know
that. If I didn't see a note is this an official company
holidays at a national
national holiday. The mail is not delivered. But
wait a minute, didn't they cancel Columbus Day a while ago?
Did it no longer because
I know in Berkeley, it's like indigenous peoples day. Or they
I think they were the first one to call it screw Columbus Day.
Yeah, yeah.
Like people were saying Columbus wasn't a hero. Fuck him. He was
no good.
person. He was not politically correct. Oh, no. Oh, no. Such
and as he was a slaver.
So it would that would be a great day to pull the grid down.
Perfect three day weekend. I'm just saying timing, timing,
timing is everything. All right, coming to you. From the curry
condo in Gitmo nation West, I'm Adam curry.
And I'm in northern Silicon Valley where it's actually quite
nice again this evening, I'm John C. Dvorak and we'll
be back next week from different sides of this Gitmo nation on no
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