Hey everybody, it's time once again for the programme that is
literally made up on the spot well, sometimes in advance, and
sometimes even after the fact, you know why? Because we have no
agenda. This is no agenda coming to you from the curry manner in
the United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak appear in Northern California where he's
had a couple of 100 degree days. And I think it's cooling off
today. And I can finally see the marine layer out there beyond
the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to come in and cool us off.
Well, shit. If I knew you were gonna give a full weather
report, I would have done the same. Actually, let me tell you,
I did just come through the clouds from from the
Netherlands. And I just I did some amazing instrument flying
today I am I've gone to a whole new level of airmanship. I'm
quite jazzed and adrenalized. Actually, well, that's sweet. It
is because there comes this point when you have the
confidence to do a number of different things and actually
kind of gets easier when you get to instrument flying. Because
all you have to do is just follow instructions, and you're
really managing the system instead of flying the aeroplane.
But it feels like the world the oyster that is my world enlarged
a little bit today, I think I can go to more places and do
more things.
But you're not going to take that doesn't mean you're going
to become some sort of a crackpot risk taker.
Quite the opposite. No, no. In fact, there's this magical
moment, I think before you get to your instrument rating, where
before you really have done instrument flying because you
know the thing was incident flying and people people may
know this. But really, the main issue is if you're a private
pilot, and so you you fly under what they call visual flight
rules, VFR that means you can see the ground at all times when
you're flying. Because when you go into clouds, and yet, let's
just call that a wideout, because you're completely or all
the windows is just white, you can't see anything. At that
point, if you don't know how to read your instruments and fly on
your instruments, you will probably wind up upside down
with within about seven seconds because of vertigo. And the end,
the vertigo thing, or as we call it, the liens is really quite
interesting. Because, you know, when you're flying in the you
know, in IMC, so instrument, media meteorological conditions,
you basically have to look at your horizon and keep the
aircraft level and you you don't look out outside. In fact, you
don't even move your head very, very much. Because every
movement you make with your head could cause vertigo. And it's I
mean, if you're trained in it, you you recognise it and you
don't do anything wrong. But you still have the same feeling.
It's like, I feel like the aircraft is leaning to the left,
you know, we're really it's leaning to the right or doing
something else. It's a very weird sensation. But once you're
past it, it's pretty cool.
Well, good. Well, then I'll feel more comfortable flying with
you.
Would you really get on with me? You fly with me? Wouldn't you?
Yeah. Your your safety oriented to have you know, and you have
the, you know, crazy. So let's talk a little bit about no
agenda at the programme. No agenda? Yeah, you heard of
it? Yeah, surely, along with some 35,000 other people.
So I've been getting a lot of you know, since I'm doing a lot
of twittering, as you do, I've been getting a lot of commentary
regarding the concept of no agenda. And what it means. Well,
that's the answer. Okay. Yeah, that was, uh, well, I, in fact,
I said on Twitter or on a tweet or Twitter tweet, whatever the
hell you want to call it. A tutor earlier that I'm going to
explain what no agenda means. And then somebody you know, Uber
chick, I think is who it was one of my followers. She said, well,
then then you did by doing it by even saying that that means you
have an agenda. And see this way. So this one, when I've
tried to point out is that we're talking about agenda and the
medicines, we're not talking about a show that has no list of
things to talk about, or things that we're maybe going to
discuss here and there. But why no agenda? We mean, we don't
have like some sort of a, you know, a, a meta agenda. Like,
we're not trying to sell something. We're not trying to
get somebody in office. We're not trying to do anything, you
know, we're not scheming and by agenda in this sense, I mean,
scheming. Planning, plotting? Yeah. Because
every first of all, it's entertainment. Every show we do
is intended to entertain the audience one way or the other.
And I think you're right, you know, when you do an
entertainment show you of course, there's some planning,
but the thing that's interesting about this is we typically plan
separately. So I have a couple of things. John has a couple of
things. And but we don't discuss the topics offline and that but
that has nothing to do with the agenda just has to do with the
freshness of the conversation.
Right? We don't Yeah, and we do. I mean, sometimes like last
week, I don't think either one of us had a list of anything to
talk about, in fact, the show took a good half hour before I
got off the ground. And I also want to mention the fact that
because we're doing it on Skype, the there, it does take a little
it takes more than a few minutes before the two of us actually
sing in. Yep, absolutely. Right. Yeah, with the timing of talking
to somebody who's who's who is who is out of phase. Now, you
know, the end, you know, even with ISDN, I think we'd be out
of phase because I
just say one thing about that, because I'm glad you brought
that up. Because a lot of I learned a lot about ISDN. And
I've been working with it for the past week doing this thing
for for Arrow, classic rock in the Netherlands. And I do that
with with an ISDN connection. And the delay is literally 60
milliseconds. So it's it's it is like sitting next to someone
there is no delay or the delay is so minimal, that your brain
adjusts to it within seconds.
But that's the delay from there to the Netherlands is not to
delay from there to the to California, which has got to be
one of the longest distances, one of the longest throws for
ISDN. There is. And I have seen these overseas, kind of just
things.
Because I have learned something here, that delay even to
California would still be minimal. And the reason why
because this is what I've learned. The reason why is you
are actually getting a, you know, to dedicated 64 kilobits
circuits, you know, there's there's no routing, there's no
buffering of routers, and of course, there's no waiting for
packets that were lost along the way. So when I consider the and
it's by the way, it's using an AAC codec, you know, so it's a
it's a kind of an open standard. And it's available everywhere.
When I consider though. How easy the, the ISDN codec makers have
it, you know, these these boxes because of that dedicated
circuit, I have to say, what the guys of Skype have done coming
up with what is it maybe 600 milliseconds, a little more than
half a second it feels like and you can even hear it on the
show. Sometimes, you know, when when one of the most responds to
the other usually with laughter there is just that split second
delay that it's almost sometimes I'll I'll say something, I'm
like, wow, I really bombed on that joke, but then you'll then
the laugh will come in. But still those guys at Skype have
done a phenomenal job with with minimising the latency.
I agree. But it would be probably if we did it actually,
if we ever make money on this show, I'll put ISDN in. And you
know, as long as I said we'll do it that way, because it would be
a little better, but it would only be incrementally better,
but it would be better. I agree because a direct shot between
you and because PTP is not really PTP on on the internet,
it's like, yeah, it's kind of p2p, but it's jumping around all
over the place. In the meantime,
right at the bottom layer, the actual packet layer is jumping
around.
Yeah, it's all what was being passed around the way it works.
And but anyway, right, we actually have a faster
connection. Now I got my Comcast boosted and to 16 and three,
which is pretty, but when I tested it against the English
servers, I was getting four and point five, which is still
better than I was going to have before
i When did you boost this? Do we have it last week as well?
No, no, I got a boosted like, yesterday on Friday. Okay,
because last week,
we I think we had a show without, you know, knock on wood
and don't don't invite the boogey man. And but last week,
we had almost a flawless connection the whole way
through.
Yeah, I think it was because at what time do we do? That much
difference? I think I think it fell apart once and that which
brings me to another point. Well, let me finish the latency
thing first. Because a lot of you know one of the worst kinds
of latencies is these are when you see it on broadcasting with
the summer that's exactly one of the cheapest connections you can
make. It's very inexpensive to do a satellite link up and and
anyone can do it because you can have a truck near come out and
put a satellite in your front yard. And you can but the delay
is unbelievably painful.
Yeah, that's probably one and a half to two seconds.
Yeah, it's horrible. Now on to us. We have some critics out
there and and I wanted to answer a question that came up in their
discussion, which is
we have critics Robert Yeah. I think
that's a good sign because that means we have a lot of listeners
and there's a lot of people that let's face it don't like either
one of us. But anyway, but anyway, the the thing is we do
this show straight up. We don't we do not stop.
I've heard that I'm like we don't coffee breaks.
Now what happens now this this does happen. And if you think
you're hearing an edit is for the following reason, because it
happened didn't happen. I don't think last week, but it might
have once in a while be yakking away yakking away and then the
next thing you know being the connection is dead, the Skype
connections dead. We rehook up you know without taking a break
and ends try to start at the exact same point where we got We
lost the connection. In fact,
I'll even count John in on on a thought that he's making.
They'll say, oh, you know, let them hear that piece or I'll
say, Okay, this is this is the word that we're going to edit it
on. compagno punch back in on. And I'll count them down and say
321, and then I hit record and then you just pick up pick it up
literally with the same thought,
right? And then, and then people have to realise that we're not
really interested in over producing a show like this,
because it works the way it works. And we don't end up once
you start producing or you can just imagine bringing somebody
in as a producer. Well, I think you guys out a punch it up, we
should need some jingles in the middle. You know? Oh, you'd have
you do the hour and a half. And that was pretty good. Let's do a
safety. Another hour and a half. So
that was I'm laughing John, because for eight years that
MTV, whenever we did something on location, I there's nothing I
hated more, particularly if it was an on location situation
where maybe I'd just done an event even though sometimes they
would even call for after an interview. But usually you doing
segments, and then every single producer would say, wow, hey,
that was really good. Great. That was right on the money.
Let's just do one more for safety. I'm like, What the fuck?
I hate that.
pic. And then some guy in this in the booth? Yeah,
they pick the wrong damn exactly.
I was gonna say they always pick the wrong one.
Which is part of the reasons why I really started to despise
television for a while just you have no control unless you
literally sit on top of it and control everything, which is
very tiresome.
Well, you run into that with photography and magazines, too.
They they'll take those shoot, do they say like, we need a new
portrait for your whatever your call them. And they'll shoot
1000 photos. And in there, they'll be like five that are
really outstanding. And they never pick those by the unit.
You say I want one of these five, they always pick some
other one that just like I don't, my ears aren't that big.
You know, why are you picking this picture? You
know how I saw that you may have noticed? Recently, a lot of
requests have come in, you know, I've been done been doing some
interviews and they always say do you have a picture? Sometimes
they really insist that they take the picture, which is where
it gets kind of tricky. But every year, and my wife really
got me into this. We have a photographer, she's been working
with 30 years, he did all of her Playboy pictures and whatever.
And, you know, so we'll do a couple of different series of
pictures. She'll you know, she'll do ers and and I'll do
mine. And you know, the deal you make with photographers look,
you know, I'm gonna give these away, too. Normally, you would
pay for them? Well, we know this guy so long. You know, we'll
give them away to press and he gets a photo credit, you know,
he doesn't really need the money necessarily, but then you have
total control over it and 88 out of 10 times that a picture is
needed for stuff like that. They'll take yours.
Yeah, no, that's true. In fact, I have one posted on on the web.
When people say to you, you need to point it out. Yeah, it's like
a huge JPEG. And they just let them go get it. I bet it's not
even one of the better ones. But I have a bunch. I had a guy who
used to be like the same kind of photographer I always demand
that they use him was Tom O'Brien. He used to be in Los
Angeles. I can't find them now. I don't know where they went.
And But anyway, he used to be a food. He used to take some of
the best pictures of food. And he also worked for a couple of
the game companies but he's his portrait taking was
unbelievable. I mean, this guy could just was a natural. It's
like you take a 500 pictures of you and they were all good.
Yeah. And that's what it was then you couldn't pick one
because it was like Jesus, it looks I look pretty good here.
But anyways, take some
time. You know, you have to work with a photographer, you know,
it takes a little while to get a vibe going between you and it
really makes it there's
there's I think there's I think there's more to it than that.
And I think what it is I think there's a lot of non talented
photographers out there too.
Yeah, usually when it comes down to the lighting, obviously
that's where I think the the men are separated from the boys
lighting and they can't bring anything out of you one of the
guys who was you know, I actually one of the I worked
with Jim Marshall actually became his friend. He's the
famous rock'n'roll photographers. And when I got
the Jimi Hendrix picture of him lighting the guitar, all this
photos are in the Hard Rock in Las Vegas. And Marshall is a
character if anyone knows him. I mean, he's like, you know, mean
and you know, but he's but he but he did us a bunch of
pictures of me for micro times. And he's the guy is such a good
photographer in every which way that it's like it's just
unbelievable. And it was like he didn't even take that many
pictures. He's one of these guys I work with a guy wants a shot.
I had a picture taken. Now we're getting this drive the audience
nuts but I had a picture taken at the absolute other extreme of
the guy who takes 1000 photos. It was a setup shot for a giant
blow up of me's to sell my first telecom book in the mid 80s. And
a guy shot on just camera but there was a sign I have a house
with a, you know, it's just a basically a 12 inch negative.
Oh yeah, of course for the resolution. Absolutely.
Right. And he goes in there, he sets the shot, they put makeup
on you, they set you this way they take make his ba ba boom,
bang one shot. And,
and that one negative cost $87.
Whatever it cost, I don't know, but this shot was perfect. Oh,
um, it's just the complete opposite of the guys who shoot a
million and try to find a one. I mean, I'm one of those
photographers I take a lot, I've decided that I, I'd my eyes
fair. And I do nail stuff with one shot. But for the most part,
if you take a million pictures, you're gonna have a much better
chance of finding one or two really good ones. So
so our guy whose name was COVID, the ROAs. He he's a he's been a
hassle blog guy, all his all his life, which is obviously a brand
new, very professional, inexpensive camera. And about
three years ago, he finally purchased the digital back
wishes. That's like a $50,000 thing. But so, you know, it
takes he's really, really high resolution, but still with the
hustle blood warmth and how they do it. I'm not quite sure. And
you know, and obviously, you just get better results, because
indeed, you just fire off, you know, I will do 200 shots and
yeah, you're gonna find something just perfect.
So, how do we get to this part? How do we get to this off this
trial?
Well, let me just say, well, I'll take it back a little bit
and say we did edit one part last week, I was just thinking,
and this has happened maybe one other time before on your end,
my wife actually called me and it was more than like 30 seconds
you know, she had there was something important she had to
tell me so it probably my phone rang right and and so I and and
you said you even said in the show, let's remember to cut that
out. And I'll tell you that when I was preparing the show for
post to post compression everything to send it up to
upload it. I listened to that piece and I really thought for a
second was kind of cool to let it in. But I thought but you
know, it's really like two minutes you know, it's like
boring so I could cut a piece out and I might just cut the
whole piece out. But that was it. There was no there's there's
no other right it's your right straight up straight through.
Right now. It's 10 past eight Saturday evening where I am.
It's towards noon here. So right yeah. Which is you know this
actually we're doing the show late but I lose you're so out
there. So I read a slow Saluzzi Yes. sent me a twit. She was on
this cranky geeks recently.
I haven't seen it in a while. Cool. I like that. Oh, you
actually watched last week's it was actually quite good with all
malloc. Anyway, when she was on she just sent a note to me. She
got her second marriage proposal out of the appearance on the
show.
But a serious one I've got like a really I don't
know. I mean, I would just maybe this would be some way to
getting more women to do this show.
So we need more women in tech.
Well, he well there's a there's definitely a shortage. So
anyway, so I'll start to talk to talk about real topics. I want
to go on I want to talk about this. So this guy Tom has Derek
or no dick Crick, D C Ric k dot turns out to be Belgian. Okay.
So he has first me to note about use of the term Pooh poohing
which I guess bothers the Belgians when they hear it in
English and I'm not absolutely sure why. But he thought oh, I
know. Yeah, you've been Pooh poohing that you know, kind of
thing. I know. Okay, why?
Because in Flemish, if we're talking about the the Dutch
speaking side of the country, a poop is your ass. Yeah. So when
you just said it Pooh poohing it's like asking kind of,
oh, okay, well then that problem he thought even saying pissing
on which is a British Common Americans don't say that. He
thought was better, but I Okay, well, now at least I know.
Anyway, but in the process of the I Will I went back and forth
with him on this because I was you know, I like saying it
because it's it's effective. But he mentioned the things in what
is the deal with all this kind of there's like a bunch of news
stories about George Bush went to the I guess, the Knesset or
is in Israel and he made this comment about appeasement to
Hitler without saying anything about anyone. And I don't even
know why he's saying this but next thing you know, Obama is
coming off the off the walls going on saying it was a direct
slam at him. He's not, you know about appeasement and, and then
Hillary came on, you know, and it's distinct has become this
kind of a weird little Firestorm. And I said to him
initially, I don't I don't know what the big deal is one way or
the other. It seems as though just a bunch of political crap
going on and I don't even know why Obama volunteered. I mean,
he was almost got it which makes me think that maybe there's
there's some interesting Beatty not only submitted anyway, let
me stop for a second.
Look, can I just say one thing just because you're actually had
to do this appeasement to bring to a state of peace, quiet ease
calm or contentment to satisfy a lay or relieve to yield or
concede to the belligerent demands of right now, we have an
international audience.
Yes. Now, here's the deal that's been cropping up on right wing
talk shows. And I'm gonna give you the whole overall, what I
believe is a reverse marketing thing going on here by the
Republican Party, and I think it's gonna be quite interesting
when you hear it my whole spiel
is that means Shut up, out and let me talk. No,
no, I want you to interrupt every chance when, especially
when I go a little bit. It's, it's a funny thing to say, but,
but yeah, interrupt me, okay, because I'm gonna be throwing a
bunch of English stuff in here. Here's what's happening. One of
the things that the right wing talk show guys are doing is
they've reintroduced to the American psyche, Neville
Chamberlain. Now, Neville Chamberlain is the guy best
known and he still kind of in the history books as the guy who
kind of appeased Hitler on behalf of the British. Now,
nobody remembers this guy and young voters definitely don't
remember this guy. He was AC dead in 1940. Before I've the
oldest guy in the room, and he was dead before I went long
before I was born. And but somehow, and they're they're not
they're playing on one of the shows, I heard him actually
playing a Neville Chamberlain speech. And this is, you know,
this was the speech was from 1938, or something like that,
or, you know, Chamberlain died in 40. Right after his keeping
within six months of after he was like, essentially kicked out
of office. He was prime minister. He was dead. Oh, by
the way, I went into Wikipedia just to do a shaggy dog version
of the story. This is why Wikipedia is kind of funny. I'm
gonna read you a two sentences, or actually one sentence two
sentences from the early life of Neville Chamberlain as as it's
stated in Wikipedia. Chamberlain was not listen carefully.
Chamberlain was born in a house called South born in the ED
Bastian I can't pronounce it district of Birmingham, England.
He was the eldest son of the second marriage of Joseph
Chamberlain, Lord Mayor of Birmingham, ham, and I have
brother later, sir Austin. So in other words, Chamberlain was was
the son of two guys. The way it's the way it's written. You
gotta love what you do. It's just it's just a need an editor.
It's just what we say.
We would say Neville Chamberlain would turn over in his grave, my
friends.
So anyway, that is just it's just worded funny. But anyway,
they go on it says mothers actually
kind of just say that. I'm desperately searching. I can
recall something some news in the UK in the past few weeks.
Also someone referring to Neville Chamberlain. So I'm
trying to find that reference while you're telling the story.
Yeah, okay. So never Neville Chamberlain is back into the
picture. Now. I've started to think about this at first, when
I when the crick brought this up, I said is not a big deal,
just the way it goes. But I'm thinking about maybe not, this
actually may be part of a scheme, because the Republicans
have done this better than anybody else, which is to tag
somebody with a moniker that they can't shake. flip flopper,
for example, with John Kerry. And the idea of being an
appeaser or an a you know, even though it's not the world's
greatest thing that sticks on words, because it's kind of hard
to stop pieces and appeaser permit this may be the beginning
of tagging Obama with an appeaser and he seems to have
taken the bait on this. Now he's either aware of the fact that
they're going to try to tag him with this, and he's going to be
stuck with this moniker right into the election. And this this
film was how Oh, God is in appeasers gonna be like Neville
Chamberlain is going to take his you know, we're gonna be in war
because of this guy. He may have reacted to the to the early
salvo which was in fact the bush speech in Israel. He may have
reacted but he may have overreacted or he may have
reacted because he was told to like kill this before it got out
of control but in fact because Hillary jumped on the bandwagon
and shook her finger at Bush is made it actually worse so who I
think would who would Obama
actually be appeasing
Obama went on a bit in some minor way saying that he wants
to talk to the head of Iran that guy okay, okay guys his name you
know if you're not pronouncing it every day, you'll never
pronounce Medina job. Yeah, that guy he says he's you know, it's
a good you know, we should be talking about Add to the table
we should be, you know, that kind of thing. And this guy, Tag
Manager has already been associated with the Hitler by
the right wingers in the US, you know, and he acts like a Hitler
to him in terms of his, you know, hatred of the Jews and he
wants to blow up Israel and wipe them off the map and all this
kind of thing. stuff doesn't fly.
But of course, he really, he has no real power in Iran, but
well, we don't care about the facts. But anyway, so true. So
the so so by even talking about this guy is like somebody we
should talk bring to the table. That's an appeaser he was was
he. So they're trying to associate him wanting to talk to
this maniac as the same as Neville Chamberlain talking
about coming back with a phoney baloney paper and then having
the Netherlands attack the next day. So so so this is all and so
I'm now thinking this is all part of a long term strategy by
the Republicans to get to put tag this guy with this
particular moniker. And I think, you know, it's already working.
So I mean, there is already one strike against Obama. And I
think Hillary jumped on the bandwagon because she still has
high hopes of everybody bailing out at the last minute, you
know, she can still technically get the nomination. But of
course, you know, she hasn't neither one of these people are
electable in my opinion, anyway, but it's going to it's gifted
starting this soon with this kind of thing. In other words,
his opinion piece Montag. I can't imagine what it's going to
be like three or four months from now, when we get down to
the wire. I mean, Obama's going to look like a paedophile or
something. I don't know how they're gonna do it. Well,
it's interesting. You say that, because I don't think the I
understand the monochrome understand the reference the
historical significance. I don't think the average, you know, as
you already pointed out, the average voter, let's say, well,
it's just anyone under 35, under 40, for that matter, they may
not even really understand what the appease appeaser label
means.
I think that's I know, that's what but there's plenty of time
to educate people, months and months and months. I think the
election is what in five years, the anyway, we got plenty of
time to educate people as to what it means and it is a bet in
it. And if it's used in a pejorative way, oh, he's an
appeaser even if you don't know what it means, you know, it's
bad. You know, because always going to be taken as always an
appeal always an appeaser Oh, an appeaser? I don't know what that
means, but it doesn't sound good. And that's kind of the way
these things work. The Democrats have never been able to label
their opponents, the way the Republicans can label their
opponents and make it stick. And it's a it's a, it's all
marketing. It's a very interesting, but it's counter
marketing. It's not, you know, the Democrats are good at, you
know, full fashion, pro active marketing to push an agenda that
Republicans are good at it kind of this, this subtle attack
marketing, which is really more complicated.
It's really it's really word hacking. It's like meme hacking.
It's it's launching phrases and labels and AI memes, I guess,
into the media space and getting it repeated and getting
something to stick. That's kind of it's, it's really social
engineering.
Yes. And they do a much better job. Now, I heard a speech by
what the hell's the name of the Bill Moyers, who's on it, you
know, he was talking to some group of count, you know, these,
one of these journalists, groups of people that write for
counterculture, you know, there's basically with no money.
And he was talking to this group, and they're all there was
a socialist gathering is what it was actually. And he was going
on about how the Republicans have name made all these crazy
phrases, and they throw stuff into the public domain, and it's
just manipulating the public, and we should be aware of it.
But he never mentions the fact that the Democrats are
constantly trying to do this. And they do it more often than
the Republicans do. In fact, and I'll give you a couple of
examples. I don't have my list here. But I do have a list I've
maintained by the way of these phrases. And a couple of them,
for example, that have come up recently. And if you if you
listen to them, they're too they're too intellectual. And
they're also too by the way, the appeasement thing is going to
work even better. When the peaceniks come out, you know,
supporting Obama, it's just gonna reaffirm his base being
all, you know, we just basically wanted to turn the country over
to Iran.
It does kind of make sense, in a way, although, you know, so we
had Hillary saying that we should say, the US would
certainly obliterate Iran.
Yes, she was going the other she was not going to put out yeah,
she that was a smart thing for her to say. I mean, it's
not very friendly thing to say, um, to be honest.
But she's not trying to get their vote. Good point. Anyway,
a couple of the items that the Democrats have tried to come up
with right after the 911 You first you saw justice, not
vengeance, which was a little bit much and that was that
bumper sticker was everywhere in Berkeley, and then you have more
Recently, I mean, actually, if you want to go back even
further, they tried to popularise the term and this is
definitely from the Democrat side, they tried to popularise
the term gravi toss, which was never used by a Republican ever
and it meant and it wasn't supposed to, it means well as
gravi toss and as we elect someone who gravi TOS gravi tos,
of course, ended up the public, voted in Bush, kind of a popular
word for a while back in the 70s. I have a feeling,
it's come and gone, but it was it was directly attached to
Cuomo, the Mario Cuomo, he was the grubby tough guy that was
supposed to run in 92. But he saw that Bush was going for a
second term and said, Well, you know, nobody ever beats an
incumbent. And so he didn't run, Clinton won, and that was the
end of Cuomo. But anyway, he had gravi toss. So now the more
gravitas, seriousness, or sobriety as of conduct of
speech,
yes, in other words, he can talk without stuttering or mumbling
or saying stupid things. Now the more recent one, which the
Democrats have also tried to promote and is gotten nowhere,
but it keeps cropping up and the problem with it. It sounds
creepy, and I'm not even absolutely sure what it means.
But the the term is truth to power. Oh, you must speak truth
to power or is there gonna allow truth to power truth to power?
And this is like, I'm not even sure what it means. What do you
How would you interpret it? Truth
power, you must speak truth to power it? Well, first of all, it
seems like there should be a ratio attached to it. And you
know, what's your truth to power ratio? Like, like a drive train?
Now, wait a minute, that's gonna write that down. Because no
one's ever come up with the truth to power ratio.
We can introduce it the truth of the power ratio
of 3.2
You're rockin baby with a 3.2 TPR TPP TTP are
whatever TTP
truth to power Yeah, I'm not really sure how to how to
interpret it I wouldn't know what it
means it means that you don't surround yourself by it with a
yes man at the base level is what it's supposed I think is
one of the implications, but it means that that you will tell
you tell it like it is I think it's probably a take off from
the 1960s let's let's you know that how web 2.0 is just a bunch
of rewrites of everything from web 1.0 Let's go back to the
1960s When we were successful as a democrat party, and let's
rewrite all these kinds of phrases that we used to have
back then like tell it like it is
man to power what is it fair it is the phrase speak I'm just
reading from some fucking website the phrase speak truth
to power goes back to 1955 when the American Friends Service
Committee published speak truth to power a pamphlet at proposed
the proposed the new approach to the Cold War Cold War it's its
title which came to friend Milton Mayor toward the end of
the week and whatever
so that's good. Well yeah, they mean there's nothing
there's no data point I need a hill entitled her memoir versus
sensational charges of sexual harassment against or
harrassment against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas
speaking truth to power
well sneaking in anyway so but you'll find is all left like
that but let's do something with the truth to power ratio as
I like it. Yeah, we have to come up with a formula where we will
turn it into an algorithm
Yeah, there you go. We need like social graph is another one my
favourites I love that too.
So anyway, I have a list of these one of these days I'll be
discussing more and more I got one more well, you know, I don't
get Can't they probably will in the top. I don't have one more
off the top of my head. But there's a tonne of them. All
right. Well, yeah, there's another one that they threw out
there, which is no war for oil or something. I can't remember
how it's phrased. Exactly. But that bumper stickers all over
the place trying to be a meme. Anyway, well, yeah. But I mean,
there's a bunch of these a, like I said, I just thought about him
now. But the I wanted that. Anyway, I tried. Thank Thomas
the crick for asking it what I thought was a stupid question.
But it turns out to be interesting. Let me know
everybody who listens to this show is on top of the
appeasement thing and will be able to spot it as the
propaganda district machine starts to grind away on poor
Obama.
That is interesting to track. Well, I guess the education now
that what you said, you know, since a lot of people I mean, I
had to look it up and like appeasement, let me just look it
up. So let's watch out for the education process of the
appeasement mean.
Well, I will end in the end, and the rebirth, the rebirth of
Neville Chamberlain, that's a funny one, by the way, you
should everyone should go take a look at that Wikipedia page on
Neville Chamberlain, just to see all these photos that are in
there of these British stick in the muds, and there's one after
another, it's unbelievable to hear him are
now careful that I live over here. I had an interesting
conversation on Wednesday, you know, I'm finishing up some some
historical tax crap with the with the IRS. And so I got a
really nice tax lawyer, Bob, and Bob lives in Connecticut. And,
you know, we used to do everything through email, but
you know, talk to him. And I've only known the guy for a little
bit, because it's just been a short kind of thing you've had
to do for me. So I get on the phone with him, we're chatting
away, you know, and so we basically go through whatever we
want need to do in like, 45 minutes, like, I might as well
talk with a guy for 15 minutes, he's gonna bill me for a full
hour anyway. Right? And so when you're talking, he's interested
in me, VO and how, you know, what kind of stuff on my show.
And you know, he also has to kind of understand some things
because believe it or not, you know, I'm one of these people
that has to write down how many days in which fucking country
to, to pay tax in the right place. And so he just wants to
understand what's work and how, you know, how do we do it when
I'm doing something for the Netherlands from here, or I'm
doing something here for, for San Francisco. And then what
else you do for kicks, man, he's like, Oh, I'm actually volunteer
ambulance driver, up here in Connecticut. And that's part of
the Department of Homeland Security. And, you know, so I,
of course, you know, start laughing and I launched into my
whole, you know, my crap, trying to get into the country, which,
of course, has nothing to do with DHS. But, you know, we're
talking about this, oh, man, I gotta tell you something really
amazing. Because he's one of these guys that has a, you know,
a special ID card that should when Armageddon strikes, then he
gets to the front of the line for vaccinations or any
necessary stuff in order to help people. And there's a number of
these guys in not just an ambulance to like services like
ambulance driving, but also it's well known that they're, you
know, businessmen, who are also a part of, you know, have a DHS
credentials, for instance, supply food or whatever is
necessary. And he said that one weekend, they were all called
up, you know, not just the ambulance drivers, but a couple
of the services, because they needed some real manpower. And
turns out they had these What do you call it actually wrote down
like sanitation kits. And so you know, they have a stockpile
warehouse of stuff that, you know, once it when when
something goes wrong, then these guys know how to, you know,
gotta go get it and distribute it. And they had to open up
every single Saturday kit. And he said, There were 1000s and
remove the tooth toothpaste, because they were tainted. They
were the toothpaste that was tainted from China. Oh, my
goodness. And I'm thinking to myself, how in the frig can we
have Department of Homeland Security being so stupid as to
put, you know, stuff that you put into your body, especially
in the case of emergency that has been purchased from a
foreign country? And oh, by the way, China? I mean, so you could
you know, if you want to make sure that after you've dropped
the bomb, you kill everybody else. Just sell toothpaste.
Wow, that's a story. Nobody got.
That's amazing, isn't it? Yeah, it's a scoop. Yeah. I said,
dude, is it okay, if I, is it? Okay, if I said to talk about
this? Yeah, sure. No, as long as you as long as you have a lawyer
that understands that type of business.
Yeah, well, you didn't give his name. And it's just a fact.
Anyway, facts are always good. So I just
want to what I just think that's a huge risk, a huge risk. They
handle
things that you know what the fact of the matter is, they know
nothing is gonna happen. That stuff's all going to expire
anyway and get thrown into the, into the landfill. Okay. I mean,
but yeah, I agree with you. I think it's stupid. can I
complain about something? G a
surprise. You know, here
this is it. I just, I was thinking about this, because
earlier before we started the show, I called you and I use
Skype, I was on Skype and I hit your number on Skype and and it
forwards because you have call forwarding setup, by the way,
which people should know works amazingly well. And it goes to
your cell phone. It sounds like you're on your I mean, you sound
like it's an outstanding connection.
Well, there's only there's only one drawback. And that is it
does not pass on caller ID.
This is what I'm getting to. Yep. Okay. There's more to it
than that. What's really weird about it, is that if you're not
really good picking up right away or something that goes to a
message box, AT and T interrupts the call and I've gotten this
number of times I've had they do it not necessarily just with
Skype, they do it occasionally with other other systems too.
But I get the feeling that Skype is the reason they're doing it
because they're losing their butt on the fact that Skype is
doing this free call for me to you and you're in England.
So, so hold on. So when you call me it forwards and if I don't
answer a phone, my phone is off. It doesn't go to voicemail, at&t
disconnects.
No, it goes to an 18 T voicemail that asks me to put your phone
number in.
No, no, no, no, dude, that's just okay, I got that one.
That's just me. 18 t's bleep check this out. Because this has
been irritating me for quite a while. 18 t's roaming partner in
the UK is oh two. And by the way, if you buy the iPhone over
here, it comes with an O two subscription. Right? So they are
definitely connected. That is the only network it doesn't
happen happen. If I'm on Vodafone, it doesn't happen. If
I'm on three, three, it doesn't happen. If I'm on T Mobile. It
then it goes to it doesn't go automatically to the to the
voicemail, it gives you that please enter the 10 digit number
blahdy blahdy blahdy blah. And I also can't retrieve my voicemail
through their own frickin partner here in the UK. Now, if
I change the network and I roam on a different network, we get
an astronomical bill.
So now this will okay so let's go back back up a couple of
notches. What I'm claiming, well, this is interesting, but
what why are the here's the point I am calling through a
network. We're all these numbers. And by the way, I'm
gonna you know, it's not what you're supposed to say. But I'm
still amused my kids actually all know about this too. We all
laugh when it comes up on a TV show where the guy says keep him
on the line as long as you can we got to track trace the call.
I've almost triangulated
you know, it's like the call. All the details are in the line
immediately. So you don't have to trace anything but the point
is and it gives us bullshit. But anyway, the thing is, they've
got my number they've got to number I dialled they have a 10
digit number I doubt why are they asking for me to put it in
again. The only person that can't put it in is a guy who
didn't dial it at all but somebody coming in through Skype
I understand what you're saying John? But I don't think it's
much worse than that. They're not they're not doing that just
because you're coming through Skype they do it who no matter
who calls me gets that.
No, I've got to have a regular line too but on the regular I
can punch the number back in and so then it goes through but if
I'm coming in through Skype I don't know what the number is.
So it's like a it's a blocking factor is a natural it's like
itself it's a self generated
but you're not hearing me who else who else do you call that
this happens to no one only with me who else do you call who is
going
to think about it think about that. I don't call them any
people on Skype that get their calls forwarded to a cell phone
so first of all of course this is this is so it is messed up
because no matter who calls me with proper caller ID if the
calling from a landline calling from the UK the United States
the Netherlands wherever they're calling from if my cell phone if
my cell phone is on the otoo network which is the default
roaming partner for AT and T in the United Kingdom you get to
that fricking stupid menu where you have to enter the 10 digit
number if I'm roaming on any other network here it goes
straight to voicemail the way it should so the problem is not
with I don't believe the problem is with AT and T did a denying
Skype they wanted to how can they even do that when they're
such boneheads they can't even make it a regular calls go to
voicemail Of course they have all the information there for
just fucked up.
So there has to be an agenda.
I don't think there's an agenda. Why would you screw your your
own partner?
I don't know. I'm just telling you it's just annoying as you
know, I call and I've been doing on Skype I mean I if I'm doing
on cell phone I yeah, I just you know it's not a problem getting
the number but and I can punch it in and it goes to it does go
to some voicemail that apparently you don't hear. And
you have
no idea how many misconfigurations take place on
these networks. Just you know I travelled between three
countries. And my also my text messages started arriving five
hours late which really pisses me off because they cost money
for a reason. You know, that's guaranteed delivery. It's
supposed to get there and you're supposed to happen. It really
pisses me off when you can't rely on that.
Yeah, I know you've complained about this and it's happened to
me because once in a while I'll get a voicemail from you. You
know a day late. That comes in out of the blue it says yeah,
I'll be there in 10 minutes. Great. Where was I supposed to
be a
skeleton of me you know, standing with my finger on the
buzzer. not opening up. Yeah, no, that's that's very fun.
frustrating. It's only in the UK that that happens with, with
OTR. I've been meaning to mention that because a lot of
people say, but couldn't leave you a voicemail, you know, and
no matter where they're calling from anyway, sorry to blow your
conspiracy theory there. But
I'm not completely convinced it's not an element of what I'm
suspecting. And
by the way to people who have been talking about this, yes, I
am subservient most of the time to John on these conversations,
but he's also he's also 10 years older than I am, well, nine or
eight years, and more worldly and smarter. And I'm actually
trying to learn something, and it's nice to be not the lead
dog.
Well, I'm not the lead dog now. But any conversation?
Yeah, feel free to patronise me.
Okay, I'll do that. Somebody's got to do it. So what do you got
on your no agenda list? Um,
I did want to thank you for sticking up for me VO for the
company on the last twit. At the very end there. That was nice.
Oh, it's because, you know, one of the people was talking out of
there, behind as it were, and it was just like, you know, you
know, it's like anything else? I mean, if you're not in the, you
know, I mean, you can of course, I didn't like the expert of just
blowing, you know, blowing smoke about stuff. I only know half
the story about, but generally speaking, if you do that
sometimes you do get the real story because people said, No,
you're completely wrong. And here's what really happened. And
I always correct myself. I mean, I've always done it, by the way.
So I'm yesterday I'm standing out is hot here. So I'm watching
there's some kid. This is a subject we have to bring up and
do a whole show about. The kid has gone by on a scooter with
the handles, you know, it's not like a skateboard.
Oh, zappy one of those. Well, skateboard and it has
handlebars,
it's got handlebars, and it's got like four wheels and an
energy and he's pushing it is obviously not designed to go
very fast.
Oh, one of those things. It has no engine. It's just the Yeah,
yeah, I know.
Gold's going up the street, you know, 1/10 of a mile an hour. I
mean, I could walk faster than this kid's pushing this thing.
Okay. Yeah. He's got a helmet on. Yeah. So I'm thinking what
the heck is wrong with? I mean, yeah, I understand the helmets
are important on bicycling, and some people don't wear them. And
you know, motorcycle for sure. Because you can hurt yourself in
your head is something you don't want to like get damaged.
Because it's, you know, you can't do much without it. But
come on. I mean, at what point do we just wear a helmet to go
to the go shopping? I'm not expecting to go to, you know,
one of the stores around here. Somebody's pushing around a cart
with a helmet on?
How old was he?
You think candy looked like he was 12? Oh, well,
of course, that's, you know, an entire generation of parents
turning their kids into pussies. You know, somebody I remember
when I was six years old, we were visiting friends. This is
here's one four, I still have a picture and I'm sure I can find
it. We were visiting friends in Texas, I think it was Dallas.
And I was it was like, I was completely in this nine maybe it
was Yeah, and I was six or seven. And I was completely into
skateboarding. Skateboarding was everything. I'm sorry, it was
nine. And so I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna go skateboarding because
that is really you know, they live in kind of a you know, one
of those very suburban type areas, you know, rack housing,
etc. And but nice asphalt. And all of a sudden, I find myself
on something I really had not been on having learned how to
skateboard in the Netherlands, and that was on a significant
Hill. And so I'm going down, I'm like, I'm picking up speed. I'm
like, holy crap. And at that same moment, you know,
basically, I was trying to occupy the same space of road as
a truck. So basically, I wind up wiping out but you know, comply
to black eyes. Because I fell on my nose. You know, I My, my, my
elbows were fine, but my knees were no I'm sorry. My shins were
my knees were fine with my elbows. You know, completely
shot I still have gravel in my left elbow from from that
Wipeout. And that was what it was like, man, as kids like you
got fucked up. And you know, you took a tumble. And guess what? I
ain't gonna do that shit on that skateboard. No more. I learned
my lesson. Good.
Well, anyway, so there I think you might have something you
know, we my wife and I talked about this regeneration of
pussies thing.
I can't wait to meet her man. It comes
up in the conversation. When we're watching. You know, the
British version of what I consider one of the great and
I've said it before, I'll say it again. One of the great
management consultants ran Ramsay, Gordon Ramsay comes into
these places and when he when he runs into this certain
generation, the younger people, he runs into these these wimpy
care actors that are that he has to yell and scream at. And
there's a whole generation of people that have not there
aren't used to this they are have been born, especially in
the United States where they've been raised with political
correctness. Well, they've been, it's dying that but it's this
self esteem crap, where you know, you're a winner, we should
have sports that there's no competition, my kids went to the
schools that did this, and I would, you know, got them out of
those schools, you know, you know, that should be a game that
shouldn't be a winner and loser, Everyone's a winner, that guy
who came in last is the last winner, you know, this kind of
thing. And it's just you don't have to do well, you don't have
to perform, you're, you're, you're you yourself, this,
you're important cuz you're a person and all this kind of
crap. And it's been, and it results in over a generation of
people that don't perform very well. So
so this brings me to my favourite topic having just been
show business bitch from my wife, which means carrying her
suitcases, getting her tea and keeping people keeping people
out of her dressing room. Once again, she had the third set the
last semi final, the next show will be the finals of Holland's
Got Talent. And I'm so proud of my wife, because she's sitting
there in the audience. And there's, you know, and the show
was beautiful, the lighting is beautiful, and people are doing
stuff. And you can see they've really put effort into it. But
I'm sorry, a lot of it just sucked. And she said in the end,
she just says it. And there were lose the end for the semi final
were two kids, an eight year old Chinese kid named Oscar, which
is a perfect name for Chinese kid. And a 13 year old Dutch
girl who sang had a musical performance, you know, like,
some piece from a Dutch musical. And you know, then the judges
have to make the final decision on these two. And so you have
these two young kids sitting next to each other. And you can
just hear hearts breaking everywhere, you know, but they
did. And they, they just had to be honest and say boom, you
know, kid, you're out go home. But that, you know, this is
what's really I like about this show is there are actual losers
and they say I'm sorry, you lose go home, go away, not, you know,
well, you know, good try. No, it's just exit. Good try exit.
And that's good. There's some social value to that I feel
well,
it's still you know, it's still if you go back in time, that's,
you know, the start looking at the history of all this stuff.
You know, there used to be amateur hour shows and used to
be these kinds of shows forever because people you know, it's a
good way to get people to work for nothing is let's face
reality, man. But anyway, they used to have a thing where a guy
would come out with a hook. Like the term give him the hook has
to do with this and it wouldn't be it wasn't just got kinder and
gentler world
that still exists in Showtime at the Apollo the Sandman will come
out with the hook. If the audience boos you off the stage.
It's still
right, they blew you off the stage. And if you go back even
further, and you start looking at the history of the theatre in
the 1800s they used to throw stuff at this day, people would
come in with boxes of tomatoes, usually rotten eggs, because
their eggs everywhere back then because people had chickens, and
you can't eat enough that you can't eat eggs. Believe me if
you haven't been you've had more than three or four chickens.
There's no way so you bring them to the theatre. And at some
crappy Act came out they were just pelt them with rotten
cabbages and his amazing days is that this is a vaudeville was
one of the but no, no, actually the if you'd go back to the
1860s There's a number of good books on this. And you read
about the we're talking about the regular theatre where people
would come out and sing and dance it wasn't vaudeville. Per
Se vaudeville is actually a kind of something that developed in a
out of Burlesque burlesque which was basically burlesque was it
was a it was a subcategory of the formal theatre, but it was
it was basically dirty. I mean it we just do.
Sexy secular sexy, sexy. There you go, John, this is exactly
the problem we have.
Now the problem we have is you and the political correct use of
the word sexy. This is not sexy. I got I got to go to a couple of
It's not dirty. Dirty, let's call it corny.
A dirty comic would come out with dirty jokes. And these
girls were just you know, they were dirty this there's nothing
sexy about it. Anyway, so that was not family entertainment. So
they developed burlesque I'm excited vaudeville came out of
that and developed down by in that Canal Street area.
Actually,
we're really you're you're so knowledgeable. I love this.
Now, I just happened to read a couple books on it. Anyway, so
but the thing is the regular theatre where they people would
come out and they'd sing or they do a play or something like
that. That's where they throw the stuff. It's like going to
Broadway today and watching you know, lay ms or something and
enter the heaving tomato guy with the with the mask. I mean,
I just
this is the Next, this is the next level in reality shows you
let the audience in on the act but you actually really let them
in on the act and you let them come in with rotten eggs and
tomatoes and we just take it back to those times. I would
watch that show of course you would specifically because I'd
have the guy telling dirty jokes in the in the tickets out on
stage. This is my kind of show Johnny.
So actually, you know, a show where people got a little more
involved. I mean, it would probably be kind of interesting
although with today's you know, audience today's we don't kind
of understand the you know, the what the what the rules really
aren't some guy bring a gun and like shoot, the guy was done the
stage, you know, kind of thing. But yeah, I think it'd be
entertaining to let people have maybe the limited the people to
maybe one a bag, and maybe one cabbage and one tomato each. And
they could only use them. You know, you
had a certain limit. Yeah, you have a okay. Yeah, you don't
like
the box of tomatoes, just throwing them up there because
he wants to practice his pitching. And by
the way, studio audiences are screened. They do go through
metal detectors. At least they do on any show my wife is
performing on.
Well, that's because you're in the audience.
I'm everywhere. I have eyes everywhere.
So anyway, yeah. So that's kind of the the,
we have so much to do. We have we have shows to start, we have
oh my gosh,
I liked the idea, that tomato show. I think that would work.
You know what, hey, that's a guy, you get a good guy. And
that guy really has a good accurate arm. So you can just
hit somebody right in the head.
So what why don't we get you know, this, this could be really
easy. We could do this with me vo no problem. And we can we can
put together a treatment and and put together a budget, it
doesn't have to be hugely expensive to do this and you
rent out a place. You set the ground rules and you have you
know, you just invite people to come and do their act. And then
you know, either go or you get thrown at you and I look at
doing with two or two cameras, we could do a hell of a lot. We
could really get a lot accomplished.
We definitely need a cleanup crew. Why? details
details? That's what interns are for. I wrote something down
here. You know, I carry my iPod Touch everywhere. I love it. And
we'll have to see if I switch to the new iPhone with 3g when it
comes out. So far, you will probably but I did the crack
thing the zip phone hack whatever it is on the iPod Touch
so I can load all the all the cool applications and there's
some that are actually use usable. Anyway, you said
something on I think it was no agenda. You were talking about
cameras with a GPS receiver in it. So it would geotag the
pictures.
I was on a tech five.
What did I say? That was?
You said no agenda.
I'm sorry. Tech five. Yeah. And that you finally you would you'd
always by
the way, which can be found at Tech five with a five.media.com
and that you had always inherited poo pooed them until
you actually found it was quite handy dog pictures and be able
to place them exactly where you were when you were on your
Korean trip.
Yeah, I thought about it for a while. And I realised that, you
know, I don't go to like Korea every minute. And so you but I'm
pretty good at find my way around. But I realised that I
have a lot of shots that you know, you take if you if you
like me, and you'd like to really, if you're travelling,
you just take a lot of pictures because just fun to look to even
find something that's, that's worth having. And you'd shoot,
shoot, shoot and and you shoot and shoot out of the window.
Sometimes I should i cap windows a lot, I see something weird.
And I say oh, look at that, and I'll shoot it. And you know,
most of these pictures, just a waste. But but occasionally you
catch something that's pretty cool. And then you sort them out
and you end it. And so you end up with this picture that you
say wow, that's pretty cool. It's like in there you see some
what that I didn't know, I would like to go to that store that's
in that picture. I don't know where it is, it would be cool to
have a GPS data attached to that photo. So I knew exactly where
that picture was taken. So I could actually go back to that
spot. And I could I couldn't really think of any real reason
to have GPS data on photos until I realised that that reason I
just described as a really good one.
So this so this kind of ties into my iPod Touch and the
iPhone, the new iPhone, and I was thinking the following
because you know that they're gonna we're gonna be able to
make applications for the iPhone, etc. Hopefully the
capability will be there. So I would presume I could be wrong.
But let's say the new iPhone had GPS capability, which pretty
much these days, if you want to make a high end mobile phone, it
has to have GPS in there because that's just that just seems to
be the trend. So if we actually had a GPS receiver and of course
it has multimedia capabilities up popped an idea that I've had
for five years at least maybe longer ever since I've been
using GPS. How cool would it be, if you could geotag certain
areas in the world for instance. And we were talking about
Amsterdam. And I said, and actually a couple of people took
me up on the offer, they emailed me and said, Hey, I'm going to
Amsterdam in the next couple of weeks. Could you please give me
a couple of cool places to go? Could you just tell me whatever
you and John, were talking about a minute, a little template
thing, and I've been sending that off to people. Now,
wouldn't it be cool, if I could sit, you know, they could click
on a link or have some kind of link would be easy. And you
download something. And while you're walking around Amsterdam,
you're getting directions to places. And when you're in the
spot, where, you know, for instance, in front of the Anne
Frank museum, you would then hear from an mp3 you would hear,
which could be a really low local low res, and it could be
it could be streamed, you know, immediately, I presume, you
could hear me saying, Well, right now you're standing in
front of the Anne Frank House that give you some background
that said, there's probably a long frickin line there. So what
you want to do is just, you know, turn 180 degrees, turn
around and walk up to the roast and cut off two of Ben cones and
have yourself some swarm up, because and ask for it this way,
and tell him I sent you. And you could really put together almost
like, which I loved as a kid, those walking, guided tours of
the museum where you get the headsets, and you'd walk, you
know, towards an exhibit, and then you start to hear the
description of that exhibit, I think you could really build
something like that. And it could be a community thing where
you couldn't contribute just like Google Maps, which of
course, would come into play somewhere, I'm sure in this
whole infrastructure I'm dreaming up where you know,
someone else wants to, to add to the tour or add another point of
interest as it's known. You know, that could be a number of
things there. But the whole idea of of a guided audio walking
tour and descriptions of places anywhere, or you could just be
walking somewhere and all of a sudden, you'd get a little beep,
beep, beep, beep. And then you'd click the play button and be
like, Hi, this is, um, this is Peter. And this is where Mary
and I had sex for the first time. I mean, it could be all
kinds of interesting things.
I think it's a nightmare. Why?
You don't think that would be interesting or useful?
Yeah, I think it would No, I think effect I think the idea is
sheer genius. And I think it's something that is needed. Except
I think it's like anything else that if it got to, you know, I
don't know, I'd rather have a professional rather than the
guys who screwed his wife near that corner. I don't really
care. But obviously, that's what would be in there. That's the
problem that would be in there. And that's what that's the
drawback.
Yeah, but then don't make obviously that's just an option.
That's a bolt on. I mean, you could sell professional
packages. In fact, you could take no agenda and you could
take every single bit where we've talked about a restaurant
talked about a place you are I have been Jesus,
the no agenda visit pack. Nothing is there by the way,
there is a really cool restaurant by the Anne Frank
House. That is just like now that the I think it took one
picture inside the place and that would be a cool thing to
have geotag because I don't even remember the name of the place
I'm looking. But it's like very happy to really stylish you
know, lots of wood and fancy architecture place. Is it the
fireflies? I don't know maybe it was cool.
Oh, no, wait a minute. That's that's the restaurant in the in
the church tower in the near the church. There's a big tower
right now it's
not in a tower. It's right on the street. And it's gotta wait.
It's got like weird, it's weird. It's a weird, trendy, kind of
overdesigned, architecturally interesting, you know, place
with that too. And by the way, the food was good. Then we had
some people, you can see him walking to go there. And
frankly, other people that were in this group that you'd see
friends going down the streets and you bring them in, and it
was a lot of it was like tapas was what we were eating. They're
kind of
in the best of care, maybe the baby church,
maybe so anyway, the point is, is that if I had the system or
the one you're talking about, I could you know, I would be able
to punch it up right now and tell people to go check it out.
But ya know, let's make that a company. Let's do it.
Let's make that a company. Hey, I hear you're really good at
fundraising. Let's do that. We'll just send you out with
with my idea, your fundraising skills, John. Fantastic.
I think you should start with the patent. That by
the way, that by the way, it was an inside joke. Yeah, what's a
better way to get another patent I can get I can get a patent on
that idea. So surely someone's come up with this, that can't be
you not to where you could do it, you can make it specific
enough that it would be very, by the time
by the time we got the patent done. It's like someone else
will have built the whole system. I
built the patent. I mean, had to pat down the side while you're
building the system, John,
what I'd much rather do is I'd rather talk about the awesome
system and very much like, you know, podcasting. I'd like to
energise and incentivize people who can build that?
Well, I liked the idea, because it would be cool, and it would
be cool, but you know, it's, it's, it's non trivial. Let me
say that to have and so you were, you know, I'm walking
around San Francisco and my phone beeps at me with a
distinctive sound meaning I'm walking past someplace I showed
some interest in or Let's then I'm subscribing to like one
person's feed, this one was B could be a little bit like
Twitter.
But think of a very good point. Now think about it a GPS has
points of interest, and it has points of interest by category.
So those systems already, you know, kind of prebaked know, the
concepts. So you could have the no agenda category. And that
would just be points of interest or waypoints as they're
sometimes known. That would be ours, that, you know, the, it
really comes down to the someone the the tools, I guess, to
assemble and create a route or some kind of database stuff, you
know, and then of course, some application that is, you know,
constantly seeing, you know, if you're within proximity of one
of these waypoints, all that kind of exists, John, that's not
that's not all that big. I don't think that's a big deal.
Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it's something that would be
interesting to get it. So it was institutionalised to such an
extreme that more than two people, more than two geeks with
an iPhone would subscribe to the no agenda tour of Amsterdam.
Well, which is what the market would be today.
This whole podcasting started with really two geeks, Adam
curry and Dave Winer sending movie files back and forth
through an RSS aggregator. It took three, four years before
even we had thought of coming up with with doing shows that, you
know, putting NP threes in regularly. So, you know, by
2012, we might have some,
maybe, but it seems to me that the GPS thing is not new, it's
already gone past the three year point. And
all these little bit, this is a GPS thing. But you know, we're
combining it with a couple things here. By the way, you
could you could also integrate RSS and subscribe to different
waypoint services. Come on, man. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I think there is some there because I wouldn't mind.
You know, I when I go to some of these places, for the first
time, you get, you know, you don't get good information from
the hotels, you know, that you don't you I mean, you just don't
you know, if you had somebody that you knew was there all the
time, and they put together a little tour, or salary, or just
a waypoint thing where you just if you happen to be going by it,
it beeps at you. And you can say, Oh, that's interesting, I
should go check this out or, or you know, restaurant tour or
whatever.
You have the the weeds service. So we know any city you're in,
you know, it would automatically start beeping when you're near
dealer.
Well, that's something you'd be interested in.
In fact, you could make it oh, here comes you can make it even
better. You could have the other side. Oh, this is cool. So let's
say this will be a great app for the iPhone. So let's just take
that as an example. Just because we mentioned not because I
really want that service, although so let's say if you're
a dealer, you could have the the reverse of the service, and it
would actually be broadcasting your location. It within the
category dealer. And then you could be on the lookout, you
could have your system set to automatically detect one of
these people so you can find each other.
All right, well, let's go to something more practical. Which
doesn't involve illegal activity for yourself. So well, you must
do the hookers then. So there be snared as speed traps.
Oh, well speed traps that so that system on gee, maybe this
is where I was where I got my idea for it. Can we talk about
that last week?
Yeah, there's some speed drop stuff. I don't know that we did.
But there's a bunch of speed trap websites. And there's all
kinds of speed trap.
really inexpensive device like you know, 30 pounds and you
stick it on your dashboard has batteries plugged into the
cigarette lighter and unscrew it,
put it on the cell phone have a specific ringtone. When you're
entering a city this would be very handy in the USA, you're
going into some little city that's loaded with speed traps.
The GPS thing was send an alarm to you saying slow down because
you're running into a speed trap. Beep beep beep beep beep
and you'd slow down and you drive through the speed trap and
then you'd get an all clear sign maybe or not
so Exactly, exactly. The point is that would work
I would subscribe to that service tomorrow.
Okay, would you carry an iPhone if it was available on the
iPhone? Because that's I think that's where it's gonna pop up
first
you know I yeah, I guess I could carry an iPhone. You know if I
had crap I don't like carrying phones you know that people
don't understand I don't really like being on the phone all day
and all night. I don't carry a phone generally a baby
listen to me you don't need that. I carry a separate phone
even with the iPhone. I want a phone that just does a phone and
by the way I want one I could drop in the toilet get run over
by a truck and it'll still be a phone
track phone for that by the way but I know you do. They should
be sponsoring our show but I should We should call them up.
Yeah, well, so should Cessna. Let's call them up to
Cessna should be spot well. I don't know how many people out
there with by assessment that we probably
are you kidding me? I guarantee you there's lots of people in
aviation who will Listen to me. And I bet you I bet you there,
there are future pilots
who will buy assess Trac phones should both paying for this.
Bam, all of a sudden a missed opportunity. Yeah, that'll be
the day There you go. When that wouldn't be funny, if we were
sponsored by Apple,
it would be funny. I mean, you don't need to be sponsored. What
I would suggest, and I think we're going to have to find some
way of doing this is just doing these product placement
discussions, as they sounds like that's what we're doing anyway,
as
they all are. We do it differently. We, you know, as
our audience grows, which, you know, it really is going quite
swiftly. Just you know, what are we now this is the 31st episode.
So certain point, we'll just we'll just have a large
audience. When we talk about some product, we'll just send
them a bill and just see what
here's your bill, like $45,000 Jerks. A bill? It's full Apple,
they're already in the hole. Big time. Not nothing I had to do
with it. I'll tell you that right now, wait
a minute. But when we what we should make it fair. And if we
if we really slam a product, we should send them a check.
Absolutely. So you know that now so then we have a little fun
going right? And then then, or some equivalent of a check or
something to make, right? Whatever we think is wrong. I
don't know, something like that.
Wow, you know, I don't think we get to make right what we think
is wrong if the product sucks,
true. But maybe sending them a check will be funny. So until
you go. So you join, you join our advertising club. And if
you're lucky, we talk about your product, we send you a check if
you're unlucky, we talk about your product. And then it can be
1000s of companies we most will never talk about. But if we slam
your product or send you a check,
I like it. I like the advertising club aspect. Nice,
isn't it? Yeah. It's kind of like yeah, you have the
advertising club, you guys we get we'll list it for the
listeners. Here's the people that we're going to maybe or
maybe not talk about in a pro or con way. And of course, you
know, there'll be some jerks out there that will track it. I seen
it that they talked about Apple three times and they didn't say
anything bad about and you know, that kind of thing. There's
credibility, but we I think we can do it. Yeah. Yeah, I think
we can much credibility do we need that's what I say?
Far Must we go? Oh, man. All right. You got anything else?
John?
Got plenty. But you know, I think we're running out of time.
Actually time one of these days. Well, 70
I sent you the thing about you know, the Bordeaux in a box
somebody sent me Twitter's as your wine guy. What do you think
about Bordeaux box?
So actually, there was something that caught my eye in that
article. And of course, like an idiot. I closed it. Crap. Do you
have it open? Do that article open?
The Bordeaux in the box article? Yeah. Let me see. I got it. It's
actually on the Twitter feed. Let me just by the way, anyone
who wants to so called the Devorah gate,
hold on, hold on a second. John. Downloading the the wine in a
Box page. Just cut the Skype off for a second there. Hold on. Are
you there?
Yeah. Okay. It you got to get a better link I've got I've got 16
megabits coming down on my stream
dude. I'm about to move to to London just to get a better link
that with all three of us are so fed up with the level of service
we can get. And that's just because of the proximity of our
house to the exchange. I've had a cable modem and cable on order
from Virgin Media for about three months. I mean, they they
acquired a company called NTL, also known in the United Kingdom
as NT hell, and they have not yet implemented the Virgin brand
of customer service as far as I'm concerned. So we're gonna
just gonna, we're gonna move to get a better connection
blanches called Branson Oh, I chose friend.
He he what's he gonna go? He's gonna dig up. He's gonna build a
new exchange closer to my house. Just because he's my friend.
Okay, he's Bordeaux in cartons the last straw for French wine.
That was it.
By the way, somebody else was sent a topic idea in per my
stories. Blog it boy, man killed on tracks while listening to an
iPod. Wait a
minute, I want to say something about the wine and a carton. The
wine in the carton is one thing. But it comes with a sensory
straw with four holes which are in the straw to send a spray of
wine around the palate, and ensure you enjoy exactly the
same sensations as with a wineglass. That is technology.
My friend. That is technology. I got to try that when I get to
San Francisco which I'm sure will be in next week or two,
maybe three weeks. Let's let's have a carton of wine together
with a sensory straw. I'll share a straw Why
don't you Why don't you find see if you can find that you check
luggage ever luggage? Yeah when you come over carry on.
Of course I check luggage I carry you know I never I never
you've never seen the same the same to clothes twice.
That's true you know this guy for anyone out there listening.
This guy has never been asked why he didn't want me talking
about these shirts I was having tailor made because I wear
shirts more than once. I have you know I get them cleaned and
washed them I put you see you're wrong. You're wrong where
everything once no throw it out. You know?
I do first of all, I do not throw it out. Second of all,
you're wrong. What I actually do is I'm much better at
coordinating I know exactly what outfits you've seen me in and I
make sure I wear something different to to keep you
entertained.
And that's not true. You know it it is so Okay, okay. Yeah, I
wonder what do I did the vortex see this, but I'm gonna try a
different shirt.
When I got when I go on as an example, when we go out to
dinner. Yes, I absolutely. No matter who you are. John C.
Dvorak
will speak for yourself. But when I go on, on cranky geeks, I
know I would never wear the same thing twice. Dude, I'm in show
business. This is what I did a woman.
Okay. Okay. Let's get back here. When you guys went off topic, I
mean, let me just say what I was gonna say. Get above one of the
we get two of the whites to the white wines and two of the red,
skip the one in the middle. And bring so bring four of these
little boxes of wine in checked luggage because you can't
obviously get it through any other way. And then we'll check
it out at a restaurant.
Or we're going to drink this wine in a restaurant.
Yeah, we'll go to free golf because they always like game
for crazy things like that.
Okay, where can I get it? Hold on. It's called that was it.
Tandem is what it's called. No, and it's here it is the homeless
inhabitants. Tan ahead is produced by core da Mensa raw
mixers out. Mess mistress.mr Lazar is that French and German
giant corporation think they're yours. Oh
no. Which has been selling fine wine since Oh, are there you go.
So this thing from Nigeria which has been selling fine wine,
Nigeria, Algeria Algeria since 1886. Now they maybe they're
French? I don't know. The 25 cents a litre product called
tandem will arrive in Britain next week at the London
International Wine fair. John C. Dvorak. I'm thinking roadtrip.
London International Wine fair go figure.
I'd probably be good for last photo up. Anyway, so they gotta
read a why in a Rosae. When you skip the Rosae we know that's
going to be crap. And
the two I want to maybe the do you think they sell the straws
separately? That would be cool. Here London International Wine
fair. Well, excuse me.
See the bad news. In his articles. The following the
annual wine consumption of France has fallen from 100
litres per person to 54 litres per person during the last 40
Nobody's even drinking in France anymore. No wonder the country's
in trouble. Why is that? Do you think that's interesting? It's
because of the Muslim influence. Really plan just guessing. I
mean, what else could add that into teetotallers which are all
over the place? I don't know.
For the visitors, the fair can be hugely beneficial. The
opportunity to meet with over 1200 exhibitors from every major
producing country all in one place and to taste the new
vintage in a relaxed yet professional environment saves
time and money.
Yeah, that's what Vinexpo is all about. This is a bigger event
than it is for the lazy guys. It can't get out of England and
take a trip to the continent. But anyway, back to this this
product. The guy think was asking me what do I think you
know, so I don't think these are ever bad idea. And it's nothing
new. I mean, Beaujolais used to be in a cabin in the 70s is not
that big of a deal. You can still buy wine and bladders. All
throughout France, you bring your own bladder, it's a big old
plastic thing and you fill it up right from the barrel. And
there's still wine in a box that comes out of Bordeaux from
various little chateaus. And so this is just taking it to a kind
of a junk wine level. I'm sure this wine is not that good. But
for just something if you want to just have some wine to help
digest your horrible lunch if you happen to be working in some
place in San Francisco incident at startup where there's no good
restaurants just might be not a bad solution. I think you know,
a couple of these couple communities, things would be
good for you.
I think that this will be potentially a hit with Patricia
maybe in my beaches that's maybe the maybe the Dutch in general
would go for this stuff
suck it and see is the the Guardian headlines about it and
see what's a good headline
one person complain that the problem with this you know some
some snoot and I you know and I as a wine connoisseur collector
I not as bad as I sound, but I can see some snoot saying well
you know you can't smell it in the glass and blah blah blah
blah blah you know this is why is it probably shouldn't even
the red wine in this case you'd probably be in the refrigerator
anyway. And it's not a wine you know so wine as it is wine is a
beverage is not wine as it is a as a target of affection and
intellectualism. You know, we're all though knows it's got the
orange blossom so now here's
another data point for you. So this Guardian article that's
titled Sukkot and see is from September 13 2007. And indeed,
it's talking about the straw. Really, they didn't even have
the carton then so the carton it seems was an afterthought.
Drinking from the special straws is said to recreate the
sensation of tasting wine from a glass quote, bringing small wine
containers with straws to a party is more amusing than
arriving with a bottle Hmm How about that? I
gotta get a hold of some of these straws. I'm
telling you man that's what caught my eye I'm like that is
some awesome technology.
So hole is patentable? Let's put it in a hole in his wind is
straw.
I know a guy patented that shit. And he's got
now I gotta look up sensory straw
shit. I should have been googling that sensory string
on it Tetra pack was launched sensory straw. Sensory straw
makes drinking fun. Tetra pack carton Ambien sensory straw to
be launched in Australia. Sensory straw tackles different
taste buds, bullshit. Tools for innovation making milk Milk
interactive. They're gonna use it with milk for kids. When kids
take a sip the liquid flows in all four directions at the same
time tickling the kids when he gets this.
Hey, dude. So I was just looking for sensory straw a patent.
Right. And here's what I ran across. It's a different patent.
US Patent 6129265 beverage container with entertainment
features. That trips me
this is interesting. Yeah, it's funny. It is funny. Now, there's
a in the dare on the dairy foods.com There's a picture is
fairly good. Close up, it's close enough that you can see
the straw. It's got a knob on the end. And I guess it's kind
of like the only to just shake funny. It's kind of like the
thing you get on a Pavoni cappuccino machine the milk
steamer that has the holes going every which way. And that's what
it looks like it's modelled after. And so when you suck on
this thing, and they sell the straws with flavours in them
too.
Oh, you're not gonna believe this. I'm gonna say this is a
this is a link to the year the TETRA pack website.
I am at Nam the dairy foods.com. website. Look
at look at that link. I'm Skyping you right now. So this
is the history of of this company. Check this out. In
1890, Clemens von Bechtolsheim develops and patent takes out a
patent for the first models of the so called Alpha plates,
which are at the very heart of a separator. Wait a minute. Is
that is that the straw? Is that the straw technology now I'm
confused?
No, this is DT we're talking about the de Laval family. These
are guys who made centrifuges. So we're talking to separate our
machine able to continue this is this is this is called a canoe.
This is one of those continuous centrifuges that in other words,
you don't keep it in a single in a single container. And you can
centrifuge stuff out in a process. So never stops. This is
used in the wine business and other
people to look at 2003 the sensory straw concept was launch
a new golf or whatever. Okay, so they alone. They've been sitting
on man, can you believe it? They've been sitting on this
shit and depriving it from us for five years. I have not had
the pleasure of a sensory straw.
It's a gimmick. Anyway, let's get some of those straws. But
let's get some of those who want to check it out and
report back. Yes, definitely. Definitely. I think it's I think
it's important.
I love that picture of the kid at the top of this page right on
top of which page of the
History page that you were looking at. Okay, I go back to
the TETRA Back,
sipping a fucking a big mug of why
fuck a wine. This kid looks so happy.
You know why? Because? Well actually the kids not even using
the sensory straw. Hmm. Well, then there's something there.
Let's quit while we're still ahead, John. Yep. That's a good
idea. All right. Hey, can I just say this was a fun show? I
enjoyed it. We learned something. Yes, we did. We
started a couple businesses, we learned something and we have
homework, which means we have to get some of the tandem wines in
a carton with the sensory straw mechanism, great technology. You
know, the astronauts use that space shuttle. Okay. All right.
That's it coming to you from the curry man or in the United
Kingdom. I'm Adam curry,
and I'm from Northern California. I'm John C. Dvorak
and we'll talk to
you again next week right here on no agenda.