Ladies, Gentlemen time once again for the programme that
comes to you from different ends of the universe. And I'm not
just talking geographically, it is your weekly no agenda coming
to you from the United Kingdom in the curry manner. I'm Adam
curry,
and I'm here in Northern California. I'm John C. Dvorak.
And we have a beautiful weekend here, John. It's about time we
had some good weather. I hope it's shitty where you are.
No, as a matter of fact, it's quite nice. It's probably going
to be around 72 today and maybe 75.
Okay, hey, we have a new mayor in London. Did you know that?
You got rid of that communist guy? Yeah.
And I read can. He's gone. We got Boris Johnson is our new
mayor.
Boris Johnson. It sounds like he's a Norwegian. Have you
ever seen this guy? Do you know anything about him? No, no,
nothing. He well, he. I didn't really know him as a politician.
First. I saw him as he was a host of several television
shows. Kind of like you know, stuff. Like what does it have? I
got news for you. I think he certainly Will that ever
rotating host I've seen him on a number of times. He is a
spectacularly completely British funny guy. I have no idea if he
can run the city of London. Or London I should say. But he's
he's a joker, dude. I mean, this guy is funny. Capital F now. i
It's funny. I really don't know anything about him again. Boris
Johnson. He's a conservative,
as in Boris.
B as in boys. And Natasha. Yeah, Boris Johnson. He's with the
Conservative Party. And of course, this is the big deal
because Gordon Brown is labour and you know, they lost I think
400 council seats around the country which is just you know,
it's that's devastating. Of course, projecting onto the the
job that Gordon Brown is doing the current prime minister, and
he's the we're the Labour Party. So this is a huge deal now that
he no longer has a direct to party connection to London. This
is big. I just don't know if this guy I love the guy. I think
he's funny, but I have no idea if he can she can run London.
What did they just vote on any? What do they put just people
just randomly? I mean, how do they how does these guys run him
in these elections would be besides red kin and Boris now it
sounds to me it was like a college election where you know,
there was some guy puts himself up, you know?
Not quite like that. And he always wins. So yeah, it is a
party driven systems. We have labour we have conservative, we
have the Lib Dems the Liberal Democrats. What is interesting,
though, and I haven't quite you know, this only happened
yesterday or two days ago, basically. Is that when you vote
you have to vote for the your favourite candidate and then
your second favourite, I'm not quite sure why. But you have to
cast your favourite and second favourite. Really? Yeah. I think
it's like some tie breaker deal or something that they put down.
It's like, Alright, the second guy will let him we'll let him
go. So but I was just cruising around the net.
Last year, like it is more like a survey. You know? Here's your
five candidates. In order
to win valuable points, get points, get points for valuable
prizes. Cross off a couple of boxes. But I'd asked on the
daily source code for people to explain it to me or tell me
what's going on or what's up with Boris Johnson. I got
literally no response is no one responded at all. And I what I
did see surfing around the net. I see a lot of people are really
pissed off that he's that he's become mayor and I see people
twittering stuff. Like I'm so disappointed in this city. And
so I think a lot of people really don't like him.
Well, it's gotta be better than this other guy. He was a real
clown. Yeah, well, the
thing. The thing that really made me laugh recently about
Boris is it relates to that Jerry Springer show, we're
talking about the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But
someone asked him the question, he said, Have you ever slept
with a man Mr. Johnson? And his answer was, well, not yet. So
that kind of guy that's funny, man. So
that is funny to say, especially if you do it in this kind of
naive
that kind of well, not yet. Anyway, and he's always jogging.
You know, these politicians do right they get up in the morning
crack of dawn a little jog around the block and the
reporters follow them except he wears like he has the end he has
a quite a distinct huge mop of blond white hair, but he'll wear
like a skull and crossbones scarf on his head and he's nuts
man, he's it's just like a typical what I love about
British nuts.
I'm looking at the telegraph and it says senior conservative
sources said that they would be gobsmacked if Mr. Johnson did
not win the mayoral contest. What is gobsmacked? Got? Well,
you obviously understand the what do they mean with it is
just completely flabbergasted.
Yeah, but God has your means face right?
I think God is. Is it? Yeah, maybe it is. Are you looking at?
Are you looking at it? I don't know. We remember we had God. up
stoppers.
Right ghost Yeah,
Andy, I think gobsmacked why worldwide words? Okay, what can
you tell me about the British term gobsmacked? It's a fairly
recent British slang term the first record use only in the
80s. Really though verbal use must surely go back further than
usual sincerly of the usual form is gobsmacked combination of
God, which is mouth and smack means utterly astonished or
astounded.
Mango. I guess it'd be the same as jaw dropping.
Yeah, right. Right, right. Well, it sounds more British.
Well, you know, the Brits over the years, especially recently
have done a lot more for the English language in terms of
being inventive. The other forms of the English language, the
American form, and all the rest of them are pretty conservative
by comparison. I mean, we're almost like, like the French
compared to the British are making stuff up constantly.
I don't know. We have a lot of technical terms, I think that we
made up in the US.
Yeah, but then suddenly did well. Yeah. But that's, that's
an interesting point. Yeah, you're right. Not you mentioned
it, but it's not like but it's this out of necessity. I mean,
you've invented something and you gotta call it something.
It's not like you're casually lightening up the language with
ADD with newer adjectives and screwball, you know,
grocery to Google. That's pretty lively. We made up a word there.
Yeah. All right. All right. I'm sorry. I brought it
I'm writing it down. I got another Yes. You're right from
John. No, I've got three so before so anyway, I just got
back from from Holland.
Oh, yeah. How'd that go? Your wife got a contract extension?
Or what happened?
Well, no, did not yet. This is the first the NADA they do for I
think four or five live shows until the winner of Holland's
Got Talent is announced. Now who won? Well, so this was a, like a
pre qualifying round. So they've already pared it down from 200
people to 30 people. And so now they do throw this right. They
do 10 For the next three weeks, including last Friday night. And
then the fourth week is when they do the final. That's the
real finals that says it broadcast live the one well,
this one was broadcast live to last night or Friday night. It
was three to
four then at their broadcast live. That doesn't make any
sense. What do you mean, you have to shoot for an issue for?
Oh, I didn't say that? No, no, they they're going to do for
live shows. They did one last Friday night they're going to do
on next Friday night, the Friday night after that. And then the
38th of May, I think will be the final Friday night. And that's
when they have the final final contestants.
So you fly in there on your private plane.
Unfortunately, I think I told you this. My wife refuses to fly
with me over the channel. Unless I have a safety pilot and I
couldn't get anyone who could stay overnight and stay with us.
So and actually we took KLM what it was it was such an
infuriating experience once again it partially KLM but
Heathrow airport I usually fly out of Gatwick unless I'm going
with Virgin but Virgin has like their own entrance and you don't
even see anything of Heathrow. They so BAA which is owned by a
Spanish conglomerate is running Heathrow and of course these
guys responsible for terminal five which is dissuade
Stopstopstop
I thought ba was stands for British Airways or something
like
British afba is British airport authority. And it's run by the
Spanish so a Spanish conglomerate runs BAA which
includes the two major airports Gatwick and Heathrow so there's
no competition.
Wait Stop, stop stop. I thought the British were known for their
management skills at the levels like now How come the British
don't run their own airports?
Because they were this is part of the nationalisation you know
they they were fucking greedy. They wanted to make money
so they sold to the Spanish
Yeah, exactly what you made that point A while ago you said this
is what nationalisation always leads to then some other frickin
government winds up running your shit. It's unbelievable. It is
and and so it's it's you know Heathrow terminal five is messed
up. Gatwick has been under construction for 40 years.
Although I think it is a pretty pretty well functioning airport
but now they have this awesome
you know I flown in the Gatwick once it's in the middle of
nowhere you have to drive right through the city streets to get
back to where you're going.
You must you must be talking about London City Airport
because that's not true. Gatwick is literally underneath Heathrow
you mean below it and on the low on the
map yeah below it. So that must have been London City or
something where you landed because Gatwick is it's the same
to get from Gatwick into the city as it is
now Can I mistaken? Yeah. Anyway, so
it makes me so angry. So only the only airport I fly in and
out of and I fly out of a lot of different airports at at London
Heathrow they have a a welded rack and your carry on bag has
to fit into this rack. Otherwise you can't take it with you on
board. Yeah. Okay. It is the size of a cigar box. And it's
this so I know this because well first of all, whenever I go to
Heathrow, it's through virgin and so you don't actually go
through the BA part of the airport, you know, Virgin owns
that part. And so it's their decision to say okay, whatever
size you want, you can take on and you know my bag, right, the
famous Adam Curry's office bag that I slept everywhere with me.
Yeah, and it's a funny shaped thing
was oblong. It's rectangular, but it's you know, it's perfect
fits in every single aircraft overhead bin that I fly on.
Okay, and I know it does, it fits into this thing except for
the wheels, the wheels won't actually go into this welded
frame that everything has to fit into. So I know this. So Marty
like trying to you know, push my wife along my side, you know, so
that no one can really see I'm carrying the bag. And this is
shithead like, oh, excuse me. Sure. You have to see if it fits
in this in this in this rack. You know, as he had fits Look,
no, but the wheels have to go all the way down. I'm like, it
will fit in the overhead bin. Oh, yes, sir. But this is a BA
regulation. So it's only for their airport that your bag can
be over a certain size and my bags not huge. And it fits in
every single overhead had been and so I always wind up getting
into a fight with these guys. And then have to go and check my
bag and take my computer out and do all this crap and it just
really pisses me off. Wow. And start it started. Start really
started me off wrong. I was so and of course just the fact is
going through all this crap of commercial flying EasyJet is
great. Compared to KLM, which is like a scheduled flight where
they you know, a crew shows up and then you have to wait for
the groundstaff to do shit and you know, priority boarding
Where's EasyJet? It's the plane comes in, throw everyone off
empty the sick bags, put the new passengers on and we're off,
ladies and gentlemen, and I love
southwest. I love it. So the CEO of Southwest once he said I
can't get near somebody. So how do you how come you you're one
of these airlines that makes money. And he says a lot of
these airlines don't realise that the the only way you can
make money or no, he said, the thing you have to know about the
airline business is that plane sitting on the ground do not
make money. That's extremely expensive. And so he just you
know, his operation is the same thing. They run the plane in a
offloaded as fast as they can they beg people to clean up
after themselves. And then they throw another group on as fast
as they can. And off they go. It's a
total spreadsheet business, I actually had a very small
airline myself with well with helicopters. And you have what
they call a de OC, a direct overhead costs. So you know,
exactly. And that includes maintenance per idle by hour. So
maintenance per hour fuel burn per hour, you know, obviously
stuff like oil, but also every piece that's going to have to be
replaced contingency, which is a percentage of overall so you
know that this aircraft will cost and, you know, it's like an
Airbus 320 I'm probably just making it up. But let's say
it'll cost you $6,000 An hour do see, right, and then per extra
person that I mean, it's all down to a spreadsheet so they
know everything but you're absolutely right. That's only if
the plane is operating. If it's sitting there it is just costing
shitloads of money because that's the the other side of the
spreadsheet is the financing and the depreciation and it's really
simple. It's a very simple business. It's just that no one
wants to pay a lot of money to fly anymore because it's so
heavily subsidised for years.
Well, so EasyJet is a good one. I never been on them. That's a
European cheapy
Yeah. EasyJet, as Stelios, you know, the Greek shipping magnate
who started the airline and then he started a cruise line and
he's kind of like a Richard Branson only without class or
style. Totally and his colour is orange right everything is
orange, which is just an atrocious colour. But I think
it's kick ass The only thing that sad and I had heard that
this was this was going to happen is they used to have four
flights between London and Amsterdam daily weekdays and
they've they brought it back to two ad spend is purely because
of the oil price.
What's the what's the cost of a flight from London to Amsterdam
and EasyJet?
Well, this of course, depends on how much in advance you book.
So what's the range?
The range is one way the range is between 38 pounds and 138
pounds I'd say if you booked the day before, so you
can go to Amsterdam casually for 75 bucks or Tell us Yeah, you
can get deals and you could probably do it consistently for
a round trip about 100 bucks I would say.
That'd be fun.
Well, it's fun again,
once the Americans don't you know, Americans, you know, we
were over here in an entirely different hemisphere. And I and
we don't realise, you know that there's always a certain
Cosmopolitan that everybody in Europe is cosmopolitan, by any
means. In fact, I remember watching some report once a week
talking to people in Germany who have never been to Paris even
though it's just a short train ride. And they've never left the
country. I mean, it does. There's a provincialism all over
the world, but the fact that the opportunity exists if you're
live anywhere in Europe to just about visit all this cool stuff
for almost next to nothing, and it's something Americans don't
understand because it actually costs us a lot of money just to
go to the Grand Canyon, which is in our own country.
Yep, exactly. And it's funny because you know, I know that a
lot of cab drivers in Amsterdam and they love they love they
love doing this PayPal airport into the city run on my daughter
closing the door on Friday afternoon because that's when
all the Brits on mass hop onto EasyJet fly over to Amsterdam to
get completely shit faced all weekend long. And then so the
ride the cab drivers absolutely hate is a bunch of puking sick
ass Brits on Monday morning trying to get back into the city
to be in their office by lunchtime it is the worst ever.
So we just get invaded but then, you know, in the in the Brisbane
around the sea to museums, of course the Reich's Museum, the
Van Gogh Museum, yes. And the red light hooker district. Now
they all get stoned and tanked up and laid and then they go
back home.
That's you know, that's called the it's a form of tourism.
Amsterdam does not like being known for that as their main
tourism. I did want to say
today there was a classy town. I mean, I think a lot of people
will do Americans need to visit this town because I consider it
one of the really cool towns of the Western Hamlet or the
western half of the of the Europe of Europe, because it's,
I mean, it's the bicycles and the trains going every which way
and they cool little shops and the really outstanding museums
and,
and while we still have a reasonably small amount of
listeners, if you're going to Amsterdam, you can hit me up
personally, just email me and I'll help you find whatever
you're looking for. I'll tell you the best places to go as a
service from no agenda to you.
So that's nice of you.
I do it all the time. People are always emailing say, Hey, man,
I'm going to be in Amsterdam. What should I do? Where should I
go?
Now like what would you what do you tell them? Usually? Well, it
really depends
on who it is, you know, some people believe it or not, that I
know actually do want to go see the museum. Strange
light recommend, by the way, anybody you know, that museum,
the both museums are good, but the Van Gogh was quite
interesting, because that museum has got so many Van Gogh
paintings in it, I mean, hundreds and hundreds of them,
if that music because every once in a while they stay, they pack
up a bunch of Van Gogh's from all around the world. And they
put them on a tour of the US museum circuit, which, you know,
they do with all kinds of different things. And I remember
one of those things, Van Gogh in particular showing up in San
Francisco, and years and years ago, and it was like, there were
like, you had to get tickets, and there was a line a million
miles long and you had to pay a fortune to get in and it was
like a slow moving process. You meanwhile, you go to this
museum, and you get to play I mean, it's just, I mean,
there's, there's 20 times more paintings and it's just like,
you know, there's none of this hassle, it's a fantastic thing
to do.
So, there's also the Reich's Museum, which usually has the
Nightwatch Rembrandt one of Rembrandt's most famous
paintings on display. That's a great one to see. I always
recommend people go to see the Museum of Modern Art the
Stedelijk Museum if you've ever been
dropped into that museum Oh, it's a really good one.
I think you'll enjoy that. And then London depending I may say
check out the Anne Frank House although I find that to be kind
of disappointing.
I think it's depressing this whole the whole concept and that
does have a line
a huge line. But what I what I recommend to others is the blue
boat, which is a canal cruise with with goodies to smoke
that's a pretty good cruise. Alternatively you can take the
wine and cheese cruise which is also good seeing Amsterdam from
the water is a great way to see some fantastic parts of the city
you've done the canal boat tour I'm sure John
not to blow tour I never heard that one I think it's something
else by the way.
No I have thought about setting that one up but no no the
blowtorch I doesn't operate all year round yet.
Sit around a big table I don't know anyway,
so you know it's just you're just like in a in a coffee shop.
You know you can buy some stuff and then you sit there and you
smoke and the guide tells you what you know and dislike it's
beautiful man you'd like oh wow yeah, look at that. Look at the
fakes facades this whole Kirti
right with one of the reasons I like Amsterdam is it's a
photographer's dream come true there are because of the
architecture and also there's the last time I was there I went
to in the old town there's this thing called the I think it's
called the hidden church or this it was this old Catholic church
that's built into a bunch of apartments.
Oh, is that what you mean? Where the nuns still live? Now that I
think anybody's living there it's almost purely a museum now
I'm trying to think ways right off the main is right walking
distance from the what's right as you first go into the old
town, if you're coming from the train station, it's it's a
really cool exhibit is and that you've seen it the Americans
have seen it because they highlight it occasionally on
various documentaries, but it's like, it's like a church that's
in the rooves of about five or six buildings. And during some
period of history it was used as a Catholics gathering place
because being a Catholic was illegal for a while and it's a
whole like an infrastructure into this into these houses
that's that's a built that's a church with the organ they're
looking this way you did the authorities couldn't tell this
was huge org
I don't know why. I don't know. It's funny. I don't know what
you're referring to actually.
Yeah, I'll have to send you a link I'm surprised you haven't
been there it's actually worth checking out.
So the end to eat, I would just recommend a couple things. If
you're in Amsterdam, if you have a chance and although not a
Dutch it's an imported food. But it is a very typical Amsterdam
snack particularly if you've been out that night drinking or
whatever. Whereas in the UK people would get a curry or you
know a kebab. In Amsterdam you have to get a shawarma Are you
familiar with the swarm on John not no I'm not so it's a pita
bread and in there is very much kebab light but cut up into
small bits of strips usually veal I think
I saw this on a tourist show why would trade you know rough guide
or
boy you want is you want to find Ben Collins place it's on the
Rosa craft and tell him I sent you
to get an extra piece of meat you
you'll get all kinds of love trust me. You gotta have it with
the with the garlic sauce the white garlic sauce that's the
best and typically even people drink two glasses of milk with
it which is just astounding. I know but it's it's an Amsterdam
treat I'm telling you
well the food in Amsterdam is not necessarily spectacular. All
those countries Denmark, Amsterdam all those Nordic and
Scandinavian countries and in Holland they don't know how to
cook now and in fact the best cuisine in Holland is it was
brought was rife Stoffel whatever it is not easy. Yes.
Indonesia's not even their food that's
erased tafel which literally translates to Rice table and you
want to go to sama Saibot for that.
Now that now I will say this the last time I or the tight
deadline knows the last time I was there, i i There's a peep
there's some people that do the tail new a new a press T A N E u
there's some crazy European press that produces all these
cool books even go to an architectural store, you'll find
them the there's a builder source bookstore on Fourth
Street in Berkeley for anybody in the Bay Area, they should go
there and look at these books. And there's the series is the
cool they're called Cool hotels, cool restaurants, cool bars, and
they'll have them like cool restaurants in Amsterdam or in
Holland or Amsterdam cool bars in New York cool hotels in San
Francisco and is and they're inexpensive books. And they're
not meant to be tourist guides. But the fact is you I got the
cool restaurants of of Amsterdam, before I went and
looked and found about 10 cool places that were just
astonishing because this is like a book for architects to so they
can steal each other's ideas. And in turn, it turned out that
the food was good too. So you know there is good food to be
found but it's
well but there's just some typical Dutch things that if you
run into them, you know like the wild rice tafa would be would be
you know, typical fare for going out. But if you can get to Bofur
choose which seasonal but that's a little pancakes. I mean like
bread League, half dollar size pancakes, eating with powdered
sugar and melted butter. And of course if in season the herring
you want to and it's just in it's literally raw herring
although it's been in salt I guess or whatever it's been
cured. With onions on it you pick it up by the tail and just
call just eat that right up. And then hit it with some Dutch
EJ all you're talking about is snack food.
Well the the Dutch fares basically meet potatoes and
cauliflower. That's what they've been eaten all their lives, you
know?
No wonder they had to go to see. Yeah, but
if you're on vacation, you want to, you know, catch the local
culture, you know, it's like they eat french fries over there
with mayonnaise, you know, it's kind of weird, but you should
try it. Yeah, it's snack.
But the you're right, the effect of that whole Denmark's the same
way. And so as Belgium, they all eat french fries with me. And
I'll never forget, I'll never forget 1972 And we were in salt
fort and the Formula One races were still what's still on that
circuit at the time. And as my dad and I went to have a look.
And he said, I'll get get get us some neat and he came back and
I'm like, What the hell are you thinking? I'm seven years old,
right? Are you out of your mind? You're gonna give us french
fries with mayonnaise. But I really learned to love it.
as well. It's actually not bad. It's a little on the I mean,
seems to me about a grease overload. I mean, yeah, I mean,
even with the ketchup, there's a little vinegar in there to cut
it. I mean, the extreme other the other extreme of eating
french fries is the British style, where they don't even use
ketchup. They use these big cut go route. They cut to the chase,
and it's just vinegar. Vinegar, right?
Yeah. What I what I love what I want him to say, though, about
being in Holland in the show. And this actually relates to the
DVD that that didn't work that you gave me. You said George
Carlin was on it was with his most recent Yeah. SPO special.
So of course, I went to Google and video.google.com. And of
course, the entire thing is online. Right? That that only
makes sense. And I watched it. And there was this one segment
in there. John, you'll probably remember he's talking about how
kids today while he's done this routine before, I think in a
different version about how we're the kids that are growing
up today are all pussies. And they never taught to lose. You
remember that piece? And you know, it's like, oh, well,
you're the kid that comes in last these days. You didn't lose
like, Oh, Johnny, you were the last winner. Right? And, and I
related that to the show. So the show, by the way, a live
television show with an audience and with 13 cameras, it is very
exciting to watch you know, I'd kind of forgotten how cool it
is. And you know, I could basically go anywhere and stand
anywhere and you know, multiple cranes and just a big production
is impressive and I'm always excited to how that works. And
to see it all come together. It was very cool. But they but the
it kind of clicked for me after having seen that that George
Carlin bit that why this type of programme works so well because
it is so it seems really harsh but basically just like the
Olympics, which of course are also extremely exciting because
on these types of events Olympics and you know,
performance based reality shows people actually do lose. Yeah,
and they cry and they cry about it. Exactly. And on this show
it's kids to which is really really heart wrenching. So it
was just it was it was good to watch man I love it. I know you
don't I know you hate that kind of TV. But wow, it really sent
me up and down on the emotional roller coaster.
I hate it because it's it ruins these people's self esteem.
Oh, you're kidding me. Come on. This happens every single day in
auditions. auditions every week or your shirt you shitting me
right I'm good. I just fall for that. I just got orrible. I
gotta I gotta switch topics real quick. How embarrassed that is
bad. I'm tired, man. Come on. I've been like a bitch boy for
my wife carrying her suitcases getting her tea. You know,
keeping people out of her dressing room. It's been I've
been total I've just been subservient and I've been beaten
down. I was I was watching an excellent documentary on the
BBC. It's a series think of four four part series and I hopefully
I configured it right to record the other ones. It's it's about
brick and we talked about this break. Is this new acronym for
Brazil? Was it Russia? India? Yeah, thank you, Brazil, Russia,
India, China. So it started with Brazil make sense? Here's
something I didn't know. And I and I've never been to Brazil.
I've never even been to South America, which is really on my
list. I want to go. He'd love it. Damn. Sure. I would. So did
you know that in Brazil, the houses are bought with 100% cash
that up until a few weeks ago, six weeks ago, you could not get
a mortgage but you literally would buy a house from someone
for you know, whatever the the asking price was and you'd give
them like a check with the full amount. And what's happening now
and I'm like, wow, this is pretty amazing from a financial
perspective is they've now opened it up and make sense you
know, the world needs another money supply will basically
they're going to start pumping all this money out of Brazil
because now everyone can get a mortgage. And people are like,
Oh, by the way, the mortgage rates 68% 68% interest
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to, you know, I write for a magazine
number jail for done for a decade or more
decades is that Trent tranny Gazette?
The, it's called info. I'm gonna write my editor and check this
story out because that did set a no it didn't sound right.
How okay I mean, it was a looked at a pretty incredible
documentary and I was flabbergasted you know, like,
hey, you know what a great place to go get some money, we'll just
start offering mortgages. And I can see a number of institutions
that would be very interested in grabbing some of that cash very
one. Yeah, the whole all of Brazil is basically loaded with
with equity.
Yeah, I would think so if that's true. It's, you know, it's a
possibility. I've only been to, I've been to a number of private
residences, and I never thought to ask how they're are financed.
But
excuse me, did you pay for this fucking thing?
You know, I mean, it's just, like one of those weird things
that just go to a half dozen times or more. And then the next
thing you know, there's some screwball fact you never thought
to ask.
Yeah, damn. How could you not think of that one?
Two off the wall? Well, for us, yeah. But
when you think about it, you know, maybe we're just off the
wall.
You know, I don't know. That's the thing. Why don't why find
the story somewhat incredible. Because most nations where they
even China, I mean, they, they look at what we do, and copy it.
It's not like, you know, what we're doing is crazy. You know,
everybody copies that are foreign, especially the United
States for me, and actually Britain. I mean, we do British,
the United States, and pretty much the same when it comes to
how we do capitalism. And everybody copies it. And, you
know, it's not like, you know, all of a sudden, you know, 100
years into it. Somebody says, gosh, let's do mortgages. I
never thought of that, that Jeez, you know, slapping the
foreheads. just doesn't sound right.
Well, I was really paying attention to it. Because I was
like, Holy crap. I had no idea this was and by the way, was it
like 19 million people in Brazil? I'm sorry. 19 million
people live in Brazil.
And that's how many people live in in in Rio.
And Rio, right? I'm sorry? Nah, you're right. I meant Rio.
Yeah, the reals probably around 90 novas. Sao Paulo is probably
around 2500. Stockpile. They don't know what the population
really is. You get different estimates from 20 million to 35
million. But I'll tell you the first time you see that place,
when you're flying into it, if you come in from the right
angle, it looks you think you're landing on Mars or something. I
mean, there are just buildings, great to the horizon. And every
direction. Amazing.
And with no seeming structure or organisation.
It's it's kind of a mess. Yeah.
Yeah, the Rio that's it? Well, maybe it was just Rio, then
maybe it wasn't all of Brazil with the mortgages.
Well, Rio has got issues,
particularly on the other side of the river?
Well, it's not just a river. I mean, it's mostly in the hills.
The all the best, you know, like somebody wants to said, This is
what the town would you have, we're all the best view lots and
everything that is really cool, is all slums. It's the favelas
are all on the hills. And it's like a separate city within a
city. And it's like if they ever got could get rid of that it's
too late now, because they let it fester. But if they cleared
that area would be some of the most amazing property in the
world
here. But they can't do that now, because that's part of the
work a big part of the workforce lives there. Right?
Not that I can tell him, you know, I don't know how much of
the workforce comes from the from the slums.
I'll go back. I'll check my Skybox later on tonight. And
I'll find out the name of the documentary because I'm sure
it's on Google. And why why doesn't Google get sued for
that? What's up with that? It's like the it's like no one gives
a shit anymore. It's like have copyright at mainstream
copyright. Authorities given up on Google?
You mean, the George Carlin thing? Yeah. I don't know. It's
a good question. You
never hear anything about it anymore. Yeah. You know, so once
in a while, you still hear about a takedown request for a song
from some guy who taped his three year old dancing to
Michael Jackson or whatever. You never really hear anything. And
here it is only a couple of weeks after. Yeah, a month after
Carlin's new HBO specials on this thing, of course was up the
day after, it's nicely categorised. You know, this
guy's got a whole page filled with all of George Carlin's
work. And it's like, oh, here's, here's this series. Here's that
series, and it's all just up there. I don't understand that
just not getting called on it. It's fine. I'm happy. Right? And
it was on YouTube, they probably wouldn't get called on it.
It's on YouTube as well. It's just shittier quality. Yeah,
it's on YouTube.
I don't know. I think you know, the whole thing is somewhat
baffling is people do things get taken down, that should be up
there and things are up there that shouldn't be taken down. It
doesn't never made any sense to me. I mean, somebody puts a
little clip of John Stone written comment, which is like a
short, which is nothing more than a blip everyone freaks out.
It's like free advertisement. And then the Comedy Central guys
get all bent out of shape about there's no free advertising with
the George Carlin thing but there's free advertising with
the Jon Stewart thing and the John store thing gets taken
down. The Carlin thing stays up. Exactly. I know it doesn't make
any sense.
It's like the British airport authorities like no fucking
consistency.
And as a Spanish
man, and Boris Johnson is gonna take us through the Olympics.
Women don't know that's not true. He doesn't get to stay
that long.
So I was at the library or did our library here. He has the
sales every once in a while and I always go to him I got bought
a cookbook. I said that this is an aside because it was a call
back to a show we did a couple of weeks ago. So I got this
cookbook. That was $1. And from 1914. It's Ruth Wakefield's told
House tried and true recipes which apparently Ruth Wakefield
was like a the Alice Waters of the 1930s
Wait, man, wait a minute, you just said nothing at that meant
nothing. The Alice Waters I know Julia Child's
is the one who does shape honey. She's famous in the West Coast.
This is the problem with with the trendiness of cooking comes
and goes so
tell me about Alice Waters first. So I understand well, its
waters is
the one who would kind of rejuvenated the Fresh
Mediterranean style cooking what's cooked became California
cuisine, okay, in the 70s and she runs his restaurant, Chez
Panisse, which has become kind of a mecca for foodies, although
I don't go there much anymore because it's I think it's it's
lost a little of its of its lustre trendiness has lost some
and the audience's I mean, I don't like really go into
restaurants where I'm, I'm the youngest person in the
restaurant just doesn't work for me. So, but anyway, she's but
this woman from the 40s. But what's cool about that, there's
a couple things I wanted to mention. I want to get into
much, too much of a food discussion, but okay, there's a
couple of cool things. One, inside the cookbook, there was a
penny postcard that was dated June 11 1940. And it actually
has a one cent stamp on it. That's a penny postcard that
used to be a penny. And this woman was bragging about how she
loved this, this. This restaurant, she'd eaten there
there. And the other cool thing is that the book is apparently
autographed by Ruth graves Wakefield. And the thing I
really wanted to bring up and just for $1, by the way, I was
just about to say how would it cost one buck? One buck? Yeah.
And so he but the thing that's weird about it is that there's a
picture early in the book even I can't find a recipe for it. of
grapefruit stuffed with crab.
Oh, my goodness, that's your favourite
show. So I might like I had I was gobsmacked. When I read
this, and I looked at it, I went, Oh my God, this isn't even
a new idea. Because you as anyone who listens to the show
consistently knows that a few weeks ago, Adam and I went to a
loft Foley and they one of the dishes was this crab dish and it
was on the plate was a was a bunch of grapefruits ground up,
it was like a grapefruit sauce. And I thought the combination of
crab and grapefruit was horrible. Well, you're up
here. And I just want to say that my wife eats that quite
regularly. She'll make that for herself as a little snack. I
believe the difference is in the grapefruit. I think she sugars
the grapefruit a little bit and that was probably what threw you
off.
While the grapefruit was a little bitter. But but I'm still
trying to imagine because I'm pretty good at kind of you to
imagine that to taste a crab and grin. I'm not getting it. I'm
not getting that this is a good combination. When you come over
here, I'll have Patricia makers for you. Maybe you won't get it.
Maybe I'm already prejudiced. Now that I mean, it's going to
be hard for anyone to turn me around even though I saw this
old recipe from the 1940s which makes me think as an old style
thing that's never really caught on is maybe only spotty with the
Dutch but
Rotterdam faction. So why do you? Why does the library and
I've always supported libraries, I've famously done a big hair
poster for the ALA, the American Library Association, which is
still laughed about. Why did you get a copy of that? Yeah, I
still have a couple of the full posters. Why does the library
sell books to make space?
Well, sometimes just to do there is only so much space and to get
a lot of books in and then they move some of the older ones out
a lot of these they have a sale at the Albany library twice a
year. And I think a lot of the books are donated or they come
from someplace else or from closed libraries because there's
there's more books for sale than the library ever had. And I
can't I have like boxes and boxes of books that I bought
usually be Huge sets of you know, reference books that you
can get for next to nothing that are sitting in the basement
because I can't resist buying, you know, the 45 volumes of, you
know, how to prune a tree, of course, you know, does for $6
You know, it's just you how can you not buy this thing is, you
know, so
that's a little known fact about me. People do say, you know, for
my birthday, what do you want for your birthday? What is the
guy like you want and I always it's always the same, just buy
me a book. Any book will do. I'm prefer I'm preferential to
coffee table books, actually. But really, I love big picture
books. And that's my favourite. But what I like about someone
giving you a book as a gift is it says just as much about what
that person thinks of you. As like, oh, well, gee, thanks. You
know, like, you really think I would read this? It's a perfect,
I love it. It's,
it's lots of fun. Yeah, a little. Now everyone knows. But
anyway, one of the things my wife and I both do is when we
see these books, sales of any sort, or we go to a US book
place, we're always looking for antique really, really old,
especially if we can find public domain cookbooks that go back
into the turn of the century, especially or even before, and
we have a pretty large collection of interesting
cookbooks. And it's in it this book is this particular one,
which is, I think, is the 11th printing, I guess it was very
famous in its heyday. It follows a certain weird style that these
old cookbooks used to have, which is the beginning of the
cookbooks. And I don't know when this ended, but I suspect in the
late 50s, the beginning of the cookbooks had nothing to do with
cooking at all. It was just a bunch of household tips, like
tonnes of them. You know how to here's like this right to page
37. cuts and scratches. Remember that all cuts and scratches are
dangerous if neglected. It goes on epileptic fits, talks about
how to deal with things that place the patient in such a
position. What does this have to do with the cook cooking? Yeah,
I just pulled out one of my favourite books because it just
and by the way, it's hardly even cracked. I used to go to the
bookstore. And we lived in New Jersey and every week it seemed
one of these books would come out and I'd buy it because I
knew that I was in it. And I was seriously well I'm not kidding.
I was like one day I'll really enjoy this and this is the this
is actually the first moment when I was a kid when I was a
kid improve hours in this book. Right? Come sit on my knees
Sonny Boy, I'll tell you and I'm looking for the publish date on
this 1994 new writers publishing. It is the new
writers official internet Yellow Pages.
Yeah, these guys were a publishing company on the West
Coast out here during the heyday of computer the computer book
business before they're all bought up by Pearson
Yep. And so um, it looks like the yellow pages it's as thick
as the Yellow Pages even if you look at the at the side of the
page it has all those little black marks for the letters you
know so it's it's crazy if I show this to my daughter which I
should do, as she'll laugh because even says here as easy
to use as the phonebook with over 10,000 entries. Your
internet Yellow Pages is a fantastic service nothing like
it exists anywhere says Bill arms vice president
chasing copy that's that's a collector's item. There was two
of them actually, that came out during that year that I have the
other one. I have the other one. Really. The other one I think
was from Osborne McGraw Hill. And they had the same title. And
the things people don't realise is that book titles are not
copyrightable. So you know you can go right war and peace if
you want to.
Somebody can go look at my entry for a second. And so
I remember the editor of one of the editors at McGraw Hill
moaning just horribly wanting me to write in PC Magazine. What a
rip off this other one was. Really my answer the phonograph
back.
Oh, yeah, you go ahead. You answer that phone, John. I mean,
it's not like we're doing a show or anything. Oh, see? So I'm
looking at my that's interesting. I wonder maybe I
should look under the M for mtv.com That's usually where I'm
listed in these things. And back Yeah, I'm just I'm just trying
to find my entry. I think it might be under MTV. I thought
you
were gonna pull out when you said it was in this book one of
those crappy What was that one of the who's who books?
Oh, I have that one too. I mean that as well. The whose move
rock and roll
was limited the way it would always come. You know, I
actually was invited to be in the real who's who wants the
wondering which one, though? Who's Who book. But I never
followed up. I was too lazy to fill out the form. But the other
ones the ones that you see in the United States are all these
who's who and in business who's who and who's who's, who's who
in the West, who's who in California. And the whole idea
that business model for those books is to try to You know
thought you know 5000 People you're
gonna you're gonna order 50 copies for yourself right?
Yeah cuz nobody else is gonna buy these damn things and so you
know they you you put somebody's name is like your name here and
then you sell it then you buy the book for like some
ridiculous price and then you're in the who's who. So when I go
to somebody's house every so often I do see one of these
books you know if I ever see a who's who in the West, yeah,
bookshelf but you bought it persons in there and there's two
things I can conclude one there in the book and the people that
have the book are complete idiots and I should not want to
be their friend. So I have
an even older book for McGraw Hill publication. One I'm sure
you have this one the the complete the internet complete
reference, the most comprehensive guide available
includes extensive catalogue with more than 750 Internet
resources.
750
Wow. And it's all like command line stuff, right? It's all
newsgroups and Unix. And then there's the whole earth online
Almanack by Brady publication written by Don Rittner a topical
A to Z Resource Guide A Guide to the internet Library's cool hey
man, we've come a long way haven't we?
Well, not you're bringing out book
I knew it here comes John's Seto rags collection
this is not a collection this is one book that I'm gonna sell
someday. And I want to make it could people know I have a copy
let's see here. What's inside? Oh, boy, I found a interesting a
publication contract for cyber X. Which is in his book for some
reason. One of the dummy contracts anyway. It's got a
coverage got a couple bends on now which really annoys me to no
and it's not. But except for that this is the Macintosh basic
handbook that came out before Macintosh basic was ever
released and this is the basic that was never released. Wow,
that's nerdy is totally nerdy. And this is the big scandal that
took place because apparently Bill Gates puts the screws to
John Sculley and they pulled this version this this
programming language off the market and it never was
released. Chris got a lot of cool things in it I mean, and
this is a very this book
the Mac never had basic you could never programming basic on
it right?
No, but this was was gonna be it cool. And I don't even see
there's just this book is so big they don't even have page
numbers. I swear to god it's unbelievable looking at now,
there's no page numbers in this thing. It must be 2500 pages.
Anyway, so
is it is it is it a what kind of how unique is it? I mean, do you
think that how many do you think were printed or the manual?
Well the new manual was I don't believe this manual was ever
released. I just happen to get a pre preview copy of it before it
went out before printer what killed I mean, this is a
finished copy but it was never sent into into distribution. So
the number of copies out there has to be probably less than 100
but what killed the basic on the Mac?
Steve Bill Gates This is documented in John skellies
biography Bill Gates went to Scully I believe and said look,
we don't want anything create a competing with Microsoft BASIC.
We're going to pull Microsoft Office off the Mac if you
release this thing.
Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, and so
they did they stay pull it out. They are the apple pulled off
basic. They never release it and Thomas black Adar and Jonathan
gets this common que mi n. The two guys who wrote this book,
the most disappointed guys in the world. This book is huge.
And these guys had to do a lot of work.
Oh, by the way, just just to tell you I have it. I have here
the Osborne McGraw Hill, the internet Yellow Pages second
edition.
That's the one that they were complaining to me about.
A must have book for anyone who wants to explore the vast
reaches of the internet don't venture into the ether without
it The Wall Street Journal.
They said that they did theirs before new writers but new
writers became a big hit for some reason. And so they're
moaning to me, John, you know you because I was writing books
from actually had an imprint at the time. Can you say something
in PC Magazine about how they ripped off our title and man of
that but you know, the fact is, your titles are not
copyrightable.
Why were they on helium when they talk to you like that?
Yeah, they all they were all on helium. So where would I? You'd
be in this, wouldn't you? I know. I'd be in this somewhere.
I don't think I'm in anything. Yes, you are. You're cool, John.
Oh, it has all of the the Usenet groups listed.
Those groups are still still there.
Yeah. Like Alton. Thought religion dot Monica Oh then
we're today's Hmm. Then we're today anyway, so
this book is available for anybody who wants to buy it.
Take it off my hands. Anyway Where's your father? Would you
go into the kitchen?
No, I went into the library here at the manor. Well, that was
fun. What's your? What's your most prized book? Which is which
is the one you're most proud of?
Well, I don't have any books I'm proud of. I
mean, what do you what book do you look in often?
You know, it depends on what books lying around. It's it's
not as though I'm like, I don't really have anything that you're
trying to describe. I have lots of books I have like a you know,
I like so many civil war books is ridiculous. I have a lot of,
for me, the book financial books, I have a lot of books on
economic cycles, because I'm working on that myself. And
there's a book called The language of pattern or pattern
language, a pattern language like that. I mean, I picked that
up and breezed through it every so often. It's about
architecture. But it's really radically weird. And, you know,
I've got some Toynbee laying around once in a while that'll
put me to sleep but but this is
the thing though, about books. I don't know if you care or not,
but I like a book not just for the content, but to me a book
and I really look pretty, you know, it's the cover I like
hardbound books. I like like him in my bookshelf, you know, they
I don't know. Um, I like the physical object of them,
ya know, but books are objects, and many, many are designed to
be pretty
or useful, or, you know, a lot of reference books actually are
put together in a useful way. They physically in a useful way.
That's why I like coffee table books, you know, lots of big,
different shapes. I like it.
I got a coffee table book lying around here that I'm going to I
was going to sell off I'm gonna given it to you. Oh, thank you.
I have a lot of cookbooks and idle thumbs down instantly. But
have you ever seen the book century as a coffee table book?
No, it's a it's a humongously big book. It's really it's
what's funny about it is you'll see this book on television
shows all the time because it was at the turn of the century
for some reason it became the gift to give to your business
relations. And so company were companies I guess these guys did
some great marketing and it's a century worth of history in
pictures. So you can imagine how big this book is and the on the
back of the book so when you see it in a bookshelf you see with
big white letter century and from time to time we'll be
watching a show like last time I saw it was on the studio 60 on
Sunset that show unfortunately got cancelled but it was in the
producers office it was in the in this bookshelf there and you
see it all the time and it's
is the verse Bernard is centuries hardcover, it's 12 136
pages and and it is available used for nine bucks.
You're shitting me nine bucks. Can you find out what the
original price used
three cars 123 copies 960 six@tower.com 924 at the
Golden Gate bookstore and 942 at word lover books, and then it
goes up from there to 19 and on 4014 29
It's a great book. It's a fantastic book to look at really
is it for nine bucks. Yeah, you should for that. Yeah, I mean,
what is it gonna be 12 for shipping and handling?
I don't know thing weighs that big it's probably going to cost
you 20 to ship the damn it's very
heavy. It weighs a frickin tonne. It's one of those things
you use, you know when you're glueing shit and you're like oh,
what can I put on this? Get the century book. It's what I mean
it's a great object you know it has its multifunctional.
Yeah, 100 years of human progress regressions suffering
and hope. I love
that. It's like a reality TV show.
Okay, Chris, I'd better order it now before the our listeners all
buy him up. And we got to have the list price. And this thing's
only 1495
I'm telling you. It was it was a huge hit as a giveaway. I in
fact, I received two copies myself I gave I gave another
copy away.
But 1000 photographs that resembled copyright and I'm
never good. It's funny. I missed this one. Yeah, it was it was a
big hit in the turn of the century. Good marketing turn of
this century Yeah. turn of the century. Yeah, it came out in
June 2002.
Will that does? No, that's not correct. Because
I wrote a nice version just published. See a reprint okay.
99 You're not Oh, let me just say mind should mind shouldn't
say 99. Right. Hmm.
Always to two and a half pounds. Yeah, this has got to Be a
smaller version. This is a different one because this is
only five inches by five inches. No way.
Okay, here it is. So you get the big giant or check it out. I'll
just drop it on the table.
Yeah, it's the big giant one. It's and this was given to me
by. So the one I kept apparently by RTL Veronica and the Holland
Media Group. And they put some little prinia they had a little
inscription there that Oh, actually, it's a inlaid page
with the Holland Media Group. So so it's even a special print.
It's a special run. You know what I mean? Yeah, it has their
logo in it. It's conceived and edited by Bruce Barnard. Right.
Got that. And let me just see,
I think this came out, obviously, as a packaged thing.
It was a package job. If you're in the publishing business, you
can you put the book together for the publisher, you don't get
the publisher doesn't do anything. But really district
district printed and district distributed. It's called
packaging. And so they this guy was he packaged this thing and
sold it to a number of different publishers around the world.
There's no There's no date. That's crazy. Oh, okay. So
there's a forward a preface, I'm sorry, which is by Bruce Bernard
1999. But there's no other. There's no other date.
There's no copyright date in there. No.
That's crazy. Beyond that page, where where the inscription is
basically saying, Hey, have a great, have a great new century.
A great new century to see what they actually say, I'll
translate it on the fly. The end of a new year, the start of a
new century and a new millennium. Looking back, we'd
like to stop and think with you and reflect on what was and as
far as we're concerned, what will be again, more than just a
good a good relationship. We're looking out to lots more and
fucky very much Okay,
so one of these guys is selling this book. This small version,
even though it says hardcover, his tower books, and they had
this big website did so Tower Records became like music video
books.
I didn't know that he I don't know if that's universal across
all stores that closed?
Well, I think it is for the online. No, okay, it looks like
it looks like a clone of Amazon.
It was a big problem with Amazon and I'm sure you follow this and
it didn't really register with me until I found out you know,
we have this pod show press thing that Mark Nam cough runs,
right. So the deal is, you know, we do the audio book and and we
get the advertising from that if we can if we're fortunate enough
to sell it and then we will pay for the cost of printing you
know, proofreading type some typesetting things or whatever
it is, you know, layout whatever, right and cover art
even and then the printing. But now Amazon has decided that
they'll I guess the did they buy an on an on demand printing
company, John, you know,
I have not followed that. I've only heard about it. I haven't
gotten I've been too busy to check out what the hell they're
doing with this. I know they've done stuff like this before.
They may have bought button on demand printing company, they
know they can do short runs.
Right? Well, I know the thing I know is that they will only know
carry on demand on demand printed books from this one
supplier which is I know it's not the one we were using. And
the reason why is because the one they use exclusively or
purchase is apparently really shitty and like the pages fall
out
the one that their Amazon ones are crappy. Yeah,
yeah. It's a it's quite a I don't think this is a story
that's been covered well enough.
Well, I'm gonna look into it because I'm kind of just one of
the few little subsections of the business that actually do
follow I've been to the On Demand show in New York a couple
times and I've keep up with some of the technologies out there
and what these companies do is actually somewhat amazing you
can actually go out there don't know this. There's these books
are referred to in the business as oh, what's the toner based
printing? So instead of having a printing press print the book is
printed on a with essentially as a high speed laser machine.
Yeah. But it's not a copying machine. And so what you can do
with toner based printing and I can spend you if you ever get
one of these books that you've probably seen him but I suppose
I get one of my hands I can immediately tell that it's a
toner based book it you know, it's an on demand book. They
have a certain feeling and look and the paper and the way the
the fonts look on the page and everything about these books
just reeks and it kind of bothers me because I think maybe
most people don't notice it but I find them to have a slightly
cheap quality. That is indefinable. Anyway, the viewer
should understand that the mechanism out there, there's
actually a mechanism, there's a end to end mechanism now that
you can, you can literally do the following thing. You give
the, the printing company, a PDF file and an Illustrator file,
which consists of the entire innards of the book and the
cover. Theoretically, they don't very rarely do this, by the way.
But theoretically, theoretically, you can, the
printer can do the following. They can take your PDF file and
your Illustrator file, they can take somebody else's PDF file
and somebody else's Illustrator file, and that goes into the
computer and outcomes, it goes right through this machine and
makes all the pages and binds it and puts a cover on it. It comes
out one copy of your book, followed by one copy of the
other guy's book, bang, bang, just like that. Amazing, isn't
it? That's what print on demand can do. Now, they generally
don't like doing it. Because there, there may be, it's just a
data entry. I'm not sure exactly why they just don't think it's
also you know, you got a bunch of books are all mixed up. But
you know, they'd rather print like 500 to 1000 copies, so they
can put them in a box and get them you know, they don't deal
with here's one copy of your book and another copy of this
guy's book, another copy of the other guy's book. And what do we
do with all these books? Kind of do they don't like that they're
not that organised. It would be really cool, though. It's
missing from the pictures that the one book comes out bound,
chopped, falls off the edge into an envelope. That is a shipping
envelope and a label slapped on it. And it's automatically
sealed and goes right into the UPS truck. Wow, that was that
was cool. They don't have that in part yet. As far as I know.
Let
me let me just read from an email from Mark Nam cough to me,
I'm sure it'd be okay with it. So there's a slight problem with
the book publishing thing I didn't want to bother you with
yet of course, good little soldier. Long story short,
Amazon has said it will no longer carry Print On Demand
Books done by companies other than their own, which is called
Book Search. Problem is that book search has a terrible
reputation for bad quality pages falling out, etc. Very high
costs and lack of availability. This just came up about a month
ago. And I've been waiting to see how it gets sorted out
before proceeding with putting out books. There has of course
been a loud outcry from the indie publishing community that
I've read. The Washington State Attorney General is looking into
possible Rico implications. Evil involving amazon BOOK searches
attempts to strong arm publishers into taking their
less than adequate deal.
Interesting. Sounds like we need to look into it.
Yeah. Sounds like you need to make sure you're really
following these things.
Well, it sounds like it. Yeah, no, I haven't gotten that far.
But I think it's a good that sounds like a MarketWatch column
for me. Since Amazon's a publicly traded company,
I'm happy to have been able to source some of that for you,
John. I mean, it it I like that. I love it. It said, you know,
Market Watch, to me is a pretty mainstream brand, you know,
stuff gets out to the front that way. I like that.
Well, you know, Market Watch is an interesting operation of
rifle because you got once you realise what you're doing, in
terms of what what the audience wants, as opposed to like PC
Magazine, or some of these other things and, and once you realise
that, essentially, a brand, like Market Watch is good for one
thing, and one thing was very much like CNBC, you're there for
stock tips. That's it that's about you know, how to paddle a
boat, or you can learn about how to buy stocks or how options
work. You're there for tips and lots of them. Yeah. And that's a
difference between CNBC and Fox Business. Fox Business is not
caught on yet. Because they don't get that they have, you
know, shows, they got talk shows and they got a little dinky
girls, and people just want to know how to get rich. That's all
they just want. You know, what's the stock doing? Is it a good
stock? Should I buy it? Some one guy says yes, one guy says no,
there's actually a show I listened to on one day, I was
driving around Massachusetts in a car that had serious I think
was serious. It was either Sirius or XM, one of the two,
whatever. And I was turning around and there was a section
of these radio talk shows that don't get a lot of distribution.
I think this was only on the satellite. And it was a it was a
stock tip show that had a unique form format that I really liked.
And I wish if somebody out there listens to the show, they can
send me an email. So I know who these people are. But it
consists of like, like four experts of you know, from
different companies. And they would say what do you think of
such and such, you know, this, this in the name a company and
that one guy would say he why he was recommending and another guy
would say why he doesn't recommend it. And then another
guy would say, you know, it thinks the company stinks. No
guy thinks this company is great. It was actually kind of
interesting, because then they'd argue about it and you get some
sort of a consensus out of it as to whether this was a good stock
tip or not.
But one thing I think would be very interesting, John, I think
that that holds true for our audience here. I think you
should Do a stock tip every show. Yeah Should or just tell
us what you're buying? you disclose it obviously I don't
buy
anything in tech though because I write about in
tech or not. Well, I
would just stuff out of tech Excuse
me. This is not twit I know. You're confused because the
weekend you don't know if it's Saturday or Sunday. You buddy,
you know, I heard you last week, man. You guys had like a two
hour show. All of a sudden now it's okay for twit to be long.
You're talking about you? It was right after right after you did
this show. And you're talking about the same topics and it's
pissing me off?
Brother. So the don't do
that man. I'm gonna give you I'm gonna have to ban you from
Twitter. This is
this is gonna be this. Let me give you this the stock tip that
I'm thinking that I have not into this. But I should if I
hear you're talking about this with Leo, I'm going to be so
upset. I don't think Leo likes stocks. But you guys aren't even
talking about tech anymore on twit.
Well, I that's not my idea. I'm not gonna keep bringing up the
news items. But we're not talking about twit. It was was
talking about Twitter. By the way, if you have a Twitter
account, the Vortech is my name. I need to get a couple 100 more
and I'm Gulf beat in the top 10. That's what I'm trying to do.
Anyway, a lot of people are looking at Capital One is a
short.
Huh, interesting. Now they're the credit card company or is
that just plain just credit cards,
it's mostly a credit because C O F is the secret symbol to
Capital One, finance, I think financial,
you think something's got to happen with the credit card
companies, there's got to be some shit going on there too.
There's got to be tonnes.
The whole thing. I mean, there's ever since the Bear Stearns
collapse, everybody's really sceptical about all these
finance companies, because they all made the same mistake. A lot
of it had to do with the fact that they were, you know, these
fake AAA ratings that were just bogus and, and I was had lunch
with somebody the other day was in finance. And they were
talking about how the whole lending system has changed so
drastically because it used to always be you'd set across some
of the person that was borrowing the money. And now it's all done
on computers. And it's done out of India, and it's all
offshored. And you know, who knows, usually people would
obviously the scammer just came in, hey, well,
and the rating agencies I think are the largest to blame.
Because they they're the ones that put triple A status all
this crap.
Yeah, no, the rating agencies are to blame. They should all be
taken out and hung. And you know, in
this, I think, I think we're still not even halfway through
this game, man. Because I know, you know, I'm really into this
and I'm just reading all these horror stories and, you know,
bank, there's no money flowing. It's just not flowing and really
is not. It's not not a pretty situation, there's find this,
everyone was fucking everyone else in some minut small way.
And it was all you know, it's just all come crashing down. It
wasn't just these, you know, mortgage securities, all kinds
of shenanigans has been going on.
Yeah, just been the shenanigan. Era. Damn. But this took place
in the 20s, too, and it's very similar.
Yeah, we'll get over it. It's just how long will it take? You
know, because you keep talking
about when the economy collapses, you know, in about a
year and a half what happens when
the economy collapses or what actually takes place?
Well, it did. It upsets a lot of people.
It's great fodder for news. Lots of great for, for news, like a
pundit. You know, a lot of people I'm really pissed off
now. This economy has collapsed. What happened? What happened? So
we get a British
understatement.
That was a good one. It was a good one. Yeah. So what happens
hyperinflation and we'll take
questions. So here's the question of what happens is, I
believe Hyperinflation is what's going to happen and the reason
why is because we're so deeply in debt worldwide, that the
fastest way to even my dad told me this when I was a little kid,
exactly what he's telling a little kid this, I'm not sure,
but he says, These guys like inflation, because that way you
can pay off your debts with cheaper money. And okay, dad,
and
let me just let me just stick with that for a second. And
clearly you were scarred for life by this. So hyperinflation
they can pay off their debts with cheaper money.
If you have a thought if you're $1,000 or 10, let's say $100,000
in debt, and all of a sudden, we go into a hyperinflation mode
where everything goes up in value like drastically and it
costs more to do everything and you have to obviously get raises
and pay get more pay. Right, right, right, right, the
relative value of the dollar stays the same, but you have
like now you have 100 times more of it, because you have to keep
up with hyperinflation. And by the way, the Brazilians are the
best at dealing with this. They used to have it as a common
problem in the country for decade or more. And the
Brazilian banks are known to be the most advanced in the world
because As of their ability to deal with hyperinflation.
Anyway, so now you had an A so now there's like everything is
just cost a lot more. And so you still have the $100,000 that
that doesn't change that. And
so that's basically like worth 1000. Now that debt so I can pay
it off and I'm done with live 1000
bucks, you're out of debt. I mean, what could be better than
that? So if you're heavily in debt and all screwed up, you
know, her relation is the way to go. And we're internationally
heavily in debt. And it's possible that hyperinflation
would fix it, but you know, Hyperinflation is also gone.
Okay.
So run me through the scenario for a second. So let's say we
have hyperinflation so the dollar devalue, no, wait a
minute, the prices go up tenfold as $1 Then go down tenfold is
that what happens the value value versus versus?
Yeah, relative value does but it only if of course you demand you
get paid more because you know, yeah, otherwise you starve
deflation. Right? Right. Yeah. Otherwise you started because
you got nothing. Right? Now the thing is, what happens to real
estate real estate obviously goes up in value because it's
real estate.
By the way, you don't actually own the land. I just want to
point that out. You only you only own the real estate shit on
top.
Can you do on the land? Oh, I beg to differ. But anyway, when
you don't own the mineral rights, generally, but you
generally own the land. Because you can buy lots How does that
work? So anyway, so the price of all
I just want to say John, you just asked me a question and
while sobered okay, we'll get into that another time. But
don't think you can just blow past me because you don't own
your land. Oh, okay. I hear
no, no, I
don't. I've I've been lectured on this. And I all I want to get
by a constitutionalist. Ron Paul thing, it's a total Ron Paul
thing, so I got to look into it.
Alright, so then we know it's a little nutty. Alright, besides
the point one way or the other, for all practical purposes you
do even if you don't based on some crackpot theory, now. Oh,
man. The point is, you don't talk to Leo like that ever. He
never comes up with crackpot theories. If he did, I would. So
anyway, the point is, is that hyperinflation creates one form
of a weird economy. And the other one, of course, is the one
that they hate the most, which is deflation, which is the one
where real estate becomes worth less. And you know, the dollar
becomes worth more. So you want to be in cash. And not in, in
property, and or debt, for sure. And deflation is the one that
scares me the most. And the last time we went through a economic
situation, we had this thing called stagflation, which was
something totally different than anything that anyone's ever
witnessed before. You had a lot of hyperinflation in the cycle
before that. And there's it always takes on some sort of
different form. That's the problem with Yeah, even if you
could accurately and I think you can accurately accurately
predicted an economic downturn. You know, you get you run into a
bunch of issues. One, everyone wants to know why. I don't think
there's a why I think it's a cycle. And then everybody wants
to know what in terms of what is it going to be like? Is it gonna
be hyperinflation? Is it gonna be stagflation? Is it going to
be something new? Which would and what would that be? That's
the question you really can't answer. It's just like you don't
know because every one of these things is so different. So so
let's just know what to recommend. I tell you you know,
the only thing that's been consistent over every economic
downturn has been farmland if you can buy farmland at the
bottom of of an economic collapse, which tends to be in
this next one would be 2013 that farmland will increase in value
until for about seven years, while everything else is going
all over the place.
So I noticed you've actually moved your target from 2012 to
2013.
No, no that the target still the October 2009 for a crash and
then it cycles down to 2013 which would be the bottom it
would be same as 1933 is a matter of fact hold
on October 2009. And the bottom is when in 2013.
I don't know whom summer summer could be anytime in 2000 it just
bounces around on the bottom and 2013 is the bottom and then it
starts to pick up this is the way the cycle works by the way
Well let me ask you this let me ask you this then since clearly
some some questions can't be answered. Ultimately, everyone
within the collapsed economy gets hurt. How do you think
that's gonna look? I mean, what is the hurt going to be like,
does that is that totally depend on whether it's a deflation,
hyperinflation or stag stagnation? Or stagflation? I
like stagnation better.
I don't know. I mean, it like everybody gets hurt one way,
shape or form and it's but you know, some people get through it
to get lucky. I mean, there's all kinds of you have
a strategy for each For each scenario so that we can get
unbelievably wealthy
Well, if you can short you know drive the thing into the ground
you can you can make quite a bit of money if you have the guts to
do it right that's
drive that's driving the actual collapse. But once you're in the
collapse what can you do? Is that is that when you want to
just be at the bottom, get your farmland That's it.
That's pretty much it. Yeah, only farmland that's the safe
bet. That's the only safe bet. That's it then then you do sell
the farmland to in the year 2020. And then right, it goes
back to the midsole price. Because at the end of the day,
we need to think of the Swedes who came up I have the
documentation for this farmland idea somewhere. But it'll be in
this book when I get the damn book done. But the farmland
thing, the Swedes, I believe are the ones who documented this
this strange effect. And it seems to be valid. If you think
about the logic of it, it makes sense.
That's fascinating stuff, man. So okay, so we got to look out
for the shorts on the way in and that's going to be before
August, October 2009, you want to explain
October two, now there's three ways that these these cycles
began. There's the one that essentially sometimes you can
carry the thing, the whatever the case is in 2013, that is a
bottom of something. It might not began in 2009, it might not
begin in 2010. There the eight through the cycle that was in
1890 Really didn't start with a crash in 1889. It was actually
kind of with the business, everything was looking good for
a number of years. And then it collapsed. And they had a
depression, quote unquote, in in 1980 93. And it was called the
Great Depression of 1893. And then it followed the rest of the
cycle. So the beginning of the thing has a number of different
the entries to the collapse are very there's gonna be some of
them. I think ideally, you have a stock market crash after a
little mini boom. And a lot of people don't see a mini boom
coming and you can't have a crash without a boom. Would you
say there is one I think next year I think in 2000 I think as
soon as John McCain is elected president which is gonna last me
but oh, no,
no, I listen, dude, I'm all over the world. I'm telling people
John McCain's gonna win. Like I fucking made it up. Okay, so I'm
totally there with you.
So when John McCain is elected president, and I think the
scenario would be different if the other two God got in but if
John McCain's elected president, I can assure you, because this
had kind of happened, we've seen it a couple of times, that the
stock market's going to take off like a rocket and, and then if
he can get us out, you know, if all the guys running, he's the
one guy who could just pull us out of Iraq, just out of the
blue. He could just take, say, you know, I looked this over and
I guess I was mistaken. These guys are screwed up. I didn't
realise how bad it was. We're leaving now. You know, and he
would have the chops to do it. And he's the only guy with the
credibility to pull that off at your you know, if it was Obama
or somebody all you know, they would think he's just a big
weenie or when McCain could pull that up.
He has the charisma. Yeah, absolutely. If he did that,
on top of like the fact that he just got elected. Yeah, the
market would go crazy explode. Now you have to remember, I'm
sorry, you have to remember 1929 before the market crashed, well,
some of us can remember that, John? Well, when I was a kid,
when the stock market crashed in 29 You have to know that it was
1929 Where the thing went crazy. It wasn't the 1928 or the
equivalent of 2008 It was in 1929 and within that one year
period, the entire Dow Jones tripled which means that the Dow
Jones that it is today would go to over 30,000 sometime before
the crash
so just basically buy indexes then just to be you know say
yeah, you
could that would be a good bet and it's short term and anyway
people
What do you mean short term because it's going to first
first is going to take off and then we showed them right
yeah you wait for it to take off then you're short when it
crashes yeah actually the crash always used as a bounce so you
can use it short at the bounce but be that as it may the I
always tell people said no divorce is theory of yours which
you've been talking about for years now is crazy. And I always
say to him look here's the only thing just do me this one
favour. If the stock Dow Jones hits 30,000 Consider the theory
on roll on the money a and start getting ready to sell everything
you own
well so let me say this I'm in you know why big no seriously
because I don't give a shit right now I have nothing but
cash I have no stocks no bonds except what I own in in MVNO and
everything else I'm I'm completely out because I just
don't want the headache however, I will go into your strategy
full force.
I buy it and well then because
could have I lose I'm like I don't give a shit anyway.
All right within the states if you're heavy on cash, the thing
you have to do I'm boy, Chris, you could you know put some
money in the market when it starts to pick up after McCain
gets elected, you want to put your money in, in Swiss banks in
Swiss francs, because the debt will be indexed against any sort
of up or down.
Right. So but that's the cash that I'm not putting into the
market. You mean? Yeah. Okay,
I'll do 5050 Yeah, it'd be fine. You got so much money, who
cares? 5050
Upwards 50 into the indexes, or indices? Is that what you call
them? No, no, no, no, put 50 into Swiss francs. That's cool.
Because then I also get one of those bank account numbers that
no one else knows.
Now that the you have to ask for that suspended data. That's a
rare account. Very few people get those. Those are crazy.
That's, that's the big. That's got to be the biggest sucker's
game. And
I'll tell you what the biggest sucker's game is. So the minute
you show up at a private bank, right, so there's banks, people
might not know this, and maybe it's interesting to talk about
it. But when you have a certain amount of money, you will be
aggressively marketed by banks who basically want to manage
your money and use it to, you know, do shitty loans and stuff.
And the hell was my point, John, what the fuck
are we just talking about? Just you're talking about the private
banks is the biggest scam? Oh, here it is here. Okay, right.
All right. So when you have over a certain amount, then they
always come to you in these in this meeting. It's like, well,
and then we have new because they always have all these
different programmes and vehicles. Basically, it's like
charges, right? There's just stuffed to take money away from
you. Not even using your money, just fees that you will pay
fees, fees. Exactly. And by the way, some of them are really
good and very personal. And I have good relationship with some
bankers, but the one that I really always freaks me out is,
well, we have the kidnap insurance. And yeah, oh, yeah,
it's nuts. And they said, and it's never actually signed in
your name. So no one ever knows that you have the insurance?
It's you only get a number and then you gotta you know, that's
like you got a number in a sealed envelope. And then,
should you or someone in your family or whatever, yeah, who is
insured is kidnapped, then you're insured up to whatever
amount but only only by number. You're not known by name?
Because of course, you know, if someone knows you have this
insurance, which of course the guy who was selling it to me
knows no matter what, whatever my number, he knows a habit.
It's a freaky thing.
How much did they charge?
I don't I always said no. I said, you can keep her.
Yeah. And she said the same thing. Oh, isn't that
coincidental? It's not worth it. I'd rather have the interest.
Well, that's when we had our public company, man, that was
that was like, they were guys, when I told you this before they
were waiting outside the door. And you know, our stock went
from seven to 45. Over a couple of months, you know, it bounced
around. And then we missed a quarter, you know, typical
public stomping company stuff, although we actually were pretty
much profitable all the time. Then you get these shareholder
lawsuits. And what would happen is they start suing the
company's a publicly listed companies, you have to go
through all these procedures before Sarbanes Oxley. And lo
and behold, they pretty much go for the amount of money that is
known as a basic insurance rate for these types of lawsuits. And
so at the end of the day, you know, when it got to that point,
everyone said, Okay, well, here we go. And then they get a check
just for being dickheads horrible business, just sitting
there just waiting to sue you, for whatever reason, they can
find any kind of cause. And it's always for the exact amount that
you're insured for. It's just it's an it's another sub loop of
this big theft that's going on in Wall Street.
On Wall Street. Well, it's, it is an issue. So I bought some
raw milk the other day,
like straight from the cow raw wish. Have you ever had that
straight from the cow from the otter?
Yeah, I had when I was a kid. Me too. Good. Yeah. It's kind of
warm. It's kind of a weird way of consuming. No, I've got a
photo on one of my one of these crazy old cookbooks that shows
it I guess in these little towns in Italy some guide wander into
town with a cow with a bell on it ding ding, you know, with his
wife and they would sit down and that would they'd set up shop.
Yeah. And then they just bring your bucket in the farmers
market kind of thing. Yeah, you bring your bucket and you did
squirt in a bunch of milk and you'd walk in home. The good old
days, my friend.
I remember them well.
Squirting cows. But I'll tell you this, there's no comparison
to UK if anyone there out there has a raw milk dairy that were
nearby they should get get this stuff and it should be a nearby
dairy and should be a small one should be there's one here.
There's a big conglomerate that makes the stuff and it's just
terrible. It goes bad and it's just you don't want that. But
the good raw milk that we
go to a farm go to a forum when you're driving by some cows go
to the pharmacy Hey dude, can I please suck your cow? I would
like to try some milk. Like that's not a bad idea. I'm sure
they'll sell some milk to you if you come around milking time
depends. I mean it depends on how freaky they are about the
health department. You know, that thing has been, you know,
done in this country to brainwash people that raw milk
is bad. And so that way, you know, these big giant dairies
can make all the money. But if you're up in Washington, there's
Dungeness Creamery, which is the first raw milk dairy in the
country which is down near our house up there. And you can
actually drive over there the places so spotless does dairies
and the cows look so happy? It's hilarious. What does it have?
You kind of look like? It's just like this contentment? You can't
describe it?
Have you ever gone cow tipping at night? No, I never have and I
really hated it. But it was like, cuz I grew up to certain
couple of a couple of years of really in farmlands and that we
do that kind of shit go out at night. And then tip cows over. I
really felt bad. It's It's really sad. is kind of mean it
is is incredibly mean. But you know, that's the way they
are. It's not like you killed the cow. No, of
course not. Now, that was the local butcher. We used to go
peek and we'd look through the doors the crack in the door of
the abattoir. And we'd see how he'd slaughtered the cows. Yeah,
that was pretty quick.
So we're talking about the about the fact that we buy animals off
the roof and they in these small farmers have these guys that
come around that dead? Do they sometimes are in trailers and
sometimes but these guys are called offers? I never got to
this conversation before when to bring it up because I was
talking to my wife about it you know so you get so these offers
these professional guys who kill the animals
as an offering them is that why they're called offers? Yeah.
And apparently they like it's your you got your steer that
you've been raising, you know, and he's, you know, nine months
old, you decide you're going to call him and eat him. By the
way, this is a good conversation for this particular show,
because this gets rid of any of the vegans that might be
listening.
Those of you still left
get it, you know, go someplace else. So anyway, so they but
they did way it's done apparently, as they come up, and
they, you know, pet the animal, and then they, you know, do all
talk nice to whisper sweet nothings in
their brains out or something. Shock, electric shock, right?
And that changes the nature of the meat because the
slaughterhouses are all the animals are freaky, you know,
they're going into up to steps. They know what's going on, they
know what's happening. They know what's going on, and they're all
nervous and all their hormones are in their meat. And you know,
you wonder why the public swell screwed up because we eat this
crap, which has been all you know, excited. This animals
excited and scared. And now you're eating the same hormones
and you know, does it just not a good thing? Well, anyway, that
the end of the story is there's apparently one guy up in
Washington, who was so good at this, that he's called the Zen
offer. The Zen offer. And Zen offering apparently can go up to
just about any animal and sweet talk. And the animals just
relaxed as hell and it's just feel so good about life and
boom, dead. And so my wife's comment is I wonder if that guy
can even get a date
hold on Zen offer let me see if the.com is
available. Zen offer.com
Oh, it's already taken. All right. Who has? I told you me
you can't get a.com domain name anymore. It's unbelievable Zen
offer.com loading hold on loading point to park page.
It's a very friendly page.
Cow airline tickets hotels car rental.
Parking Sonic Park page.
I hate that means it costs $100,000 Now, it's got pop
unders Jeez. I hate that. That's good. That
was I needed to tell the story about the Zen offer that's cool.
You know the apparently the menus in Holland although they
weren't all that great to start with as we established earlier.
They get all their meat now from Argentina they're not even
eating their own meat anymore. And it's become so expensive
that they they have had to pare down the menus you just can't
get certain cuts of meat anymore because there would be like 50
bucks if they actually had to you know charge charge fairly
for to some restaurants have not even put it on the menu anymore.
It's messed up man. Globalisation thing.
Well, it's yeah. And who What sense does it make to ship a
carcass? from Venezuela? Yeah. Oh, wherever Argentina, I guess,
which is where they place is loaded with meat. If you don't
go down there it's all eat. Yeah, well, well you can it's
actually pretty good. By the way, let me down there
plenty good cows to kill in our own backyard?
Well, you could I mean, there's plenty of grass around. I mean,
the thing is, is all this propaganda against me it's
starting to crop up again. And it all happened during this
green week that we had. Yeah, we talked and we had guys like Bill
Maher, you know going on about how bad meat is I'm thinking
what is this guy's problems? You
read that article in the you read the International Herald
Tribune? Don't you?
Once in a while, usually when I'm travelling.
Okay. Yeah, it was yesterday's edition. That was a whole thing
about the about the actually, it was something we said we might
touch on that, basically these the article was American has no
energy policy. And he took the Hillary and Obama measured
measures measures I should say, which they which are now known,
which we actually talked about, they said, Well, what they would
if they became president, both Obama and Hillary Clinton would
remove the excise the gasoline tax, essentially. And so this
whole story went a little bit deeper. How there's absolutely
Obama said he, Obama said he wasn't going to do that. I'm
sorry, McCain.
I'm sorry, McCain and Clinton. Yeah, Obama said he wouldn't.
And then this article went in deeper as to you know, how the,
we have so poorly thought out our energy strategy, that, you
know, we're still putting billions of research and
subsidies into r&d for, you know, liquid extraction and all
these other petroleum based versions of of getting energy
out of the earth. And no investors want to step up, you
know, like a Kleiner Perkins as an example. They're, they're
hesitant to step up, because there seems like there's no
subsidies for any of you know, the solar or not, I don't even
know if that's gonna work that well. But you know, the solar,
wind energy. And if it's like a real conundrum, and we're just
looking at the article, I'll see if I can get it online. It looks
like in the US, we get we're pretty boneheaded right now,
when it comes to just, you know, setting out a couple strategies
for the future, other than invading other countries that
have oil?
Well, that seems to work. Well, right, good. harkens back to
confessions of the economic hitman. Yeah,
and let's just wrap it up, John, because we're already pretty
long right here. I wanted to ask you, both Obama and Clinton,
were quite clear that they would bomb Iran. And why did why did
that come up again? I mean, can you just explain to me what I'm
really afraid that that's going to happen? And it just seems
like it's weird because now we've got all of them talking
about it. We know McCain's done a song about it. But now to have
all three potential candidates, of course, we know it's going to
McCain. I mean, do you think that could really happen? Could
we really bomb Iran? I mean,
I would doubt it by when they I think maybe they just can't see
it happening. I mean, that's real threat that you're going to
Hillary who's the you know, the Get tough candidate all of a
sudden, she says that if if Iran bombs, Israel, Iran, obliterate
them. And
Israel do that all by themselves? Don't they have
nuclear capacity?
They do. That's the point. They could they you know, it's
probably be unlikely. And so I think the whole thing is sabre
rattling and probably just to get to, I would think, maybe
suggest
that we're getting for them. There's that word that sabre
rattling and that's to me that that means like, there's code of
something I should be understanding that I don't know.
I mean, what why are we Sabre sabre rattling Iran? Why?
I don't know. Okay, probably one of trying to understand, maybe
to destabilise, maybe it's code for some, I don't know to
destabilise the country or to get I have no idea. And why is
it sabre rattling? Why isn't it not pistol cocking or some other
cool word?
Well, sabre rattling is
the term. Can we make a new one? I know can we make a new one?
Pistol cocking?
Pistol cocking it sounds it sounds profane? is why I like to
think. Yeah, I think sabre rattling is a good one because
it is it harkens back to a historical context, meaning that
people have done this for a long time and it has some it has, you
know, large scale context. So it you know, and it's also silly if
you think about it, can you if you can imagine Hillary holding
up a sabre rattling first of all, how does it sabre rattling
like a piece of crap
it's a shitty SAP you got there Hill fuckers rattling I want to
check that out before you go up against a Tehran that's funny.
Anyway, so no, I didn't know where you were it'll
I guess they used to write all the Sabres maybe Their scabbard.
Oh, you mean had just put your hand down I think and shake it.
Yeah. Something like that shouldn't be but there's usually
leather issues. So yeah.
didn't used to have jewels. Maybe that's some like a couple
of rubies in the shit and the kick rope. Oh, my sabre.
Alright, hey, John, I think I think we've had a pretty good,
pretty good day. I think this is we should keep it at this.
All right, well, I'll be in Korea next week. So I should
relax on Saturday to do the next show.
Well, you just give me a jingle whenever you're in. And you're
going to Korea for a conference. I think it's not it.
It's a big summit and you know, all kinds of hot shots are gonna
be there. The beacon interesting I haven't been to Korea for a
while I like it's a nice country. And I think I'll be
sitting on a 30 megabit per second line so I can make phone
calls. We'd
and what are you going to eat? What are you going to be looking
out for?
We got some good shirt shops there and a couple of tailors
that are pretty.
Yeah, that might not be so tasty, though.
Oh, you mean to eat? Yes. Kimchi. Of course. Why? There's
a lot of good food. They have a kimchi is that pickled cabbage
of hot pickled cabbage from Korea but no, there's a lot of
good food in Korea. They have a it's a it's a it's a nice
cuisine. It's very tasty. Lots of little dinky things you have.
You'd have like your whatever the meat or whatever, as you're
eating as a million little bitty dishes with all kinds of strange
pickles.
Can't wait to hear all about it. But you will. Coming to you from
the United Kingdom where we make up words all the time. I'm Adam
curry.
And I am John C. Dvorak here in Northern California.
We'll talk again next week right here on no agenda.