Hello, everybody once again, it is time for the programme that
has no commercials. No jingles, no music. Well, certainly no
agenda coming to you from the curry manor in the United
Kingdom. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm out here in sunny California. I'm John C. Dvorak.
John.
Good afternoon. Let me launch right into it. I finally fixed
it so that you can hear audio when I play it back. Yeah,
I know. You know how long Yeah, how long I've worked on this.
You apparently worked on it all day yesterday, or otherwise, you
would have done the show?
Yeah. Not just Yes, I've been I've been thinking about this
for. It's been like, it's been at least three weeks. And what I
couldn't figure out was, what I wanted to do is I want to be
able to send you a mix minus signal. And so I couldn't send
my voice fine. And I could send music over. But if I wanted to
send something from my handy little cart rack, it was driving
me nuts. Because you know, you do this on the Mac. But if you
ever done this, you can do Virtual Audio Routing. Have you
ever heard of this?
You're doing this on the Mac? Yeah, you can do? No, this isn't
gonna do me any good?
Yes, it will. Because you're gonna you're gonna get a laptop,
eventually a new one that will be a Mac, you know, it will?
No, it won't. Because I my and I'll say this again. As much as
I think the Mac's a great machine. I like using laptops
that are two pounds. Absolutely the smallest that lightest you
can get it with a full size screen and a big keyboard. And
that's a Toshiba, and that's the R series. And now the new one
there are 500 is like 2.2 pounds total. And it's got a DVD player
in it.
Yeah, but what if you're trying to say,
when I travel, I don't with a laptop? I'm not going to go to a
Mac. They're too big and heavy. Okay, so
honestly, how often do you do tech five on the road versus at
home?
Actually, I rarely do it. I've done it a couple of times. But I
prefer to do evergreen shows instead.
Right? Okay, so my point exactly. So it makes a lot of
sense. To set you up for once and for all with a fan to me,
this is the beauty I have been searching for. For it's it's
been five years now. Has it been fight? Yeah. 2000 Oh, 2004. When
I started doing this stuff, I've been looking for the all in one
solution where you can do everything right on one
computer. And the Mac finally is there, you have this thing
called aggregate devices, where you can stack on multiple in and
output devices, virtual or real, you can stack them into one
because most programmes can only talk to, you know, talk to one
device at a time. So now I can finally do all of that complex
routing that is really needed to put together a kick ass studio.
And anyway, to make a long story short, what I couldn't what was
what was screwing me up as I was trying to route the audio from
Skype into the, into the virtual mixer through one of these
virtual interfaces. And whenever I did it, you know, couldn't do
because you have one coming in and one going back. And the
output signal, of course, has all the stuff I want you to be
able to hear. And every single time I made the connection, it
would you know, it would create a loop and then it would it
would just feed back I couldn't figure it out until I finally
discovered Of course, after weeks of trying to figure this
out that I was I was treating Skype as if it had a stereo
signal coming out. So I was using two channels, whereas it
only has one so effectively by placing two connections between
Skype and my mixer. I was creating a loop just by making
those two connections that make any sense.
Yeah, doesn't mean but let me let's let's back up a couple of
seconds. One. You know, one, you probably could have asked for
help from the audience and you would have gotten it like the
next day so the wasting three or four weeks working this out. No,
no, no, no, no, no, I have been on this quest and the audience
has been involved the guy who's come the closest ever it's
up on your other show. Hold on one more time. I don't believe
for a second that there's not a PC user out there that listens
to this show or whenever other shows that can't do the same
thing on PC more effectively.
Wow, thrown down the gauntlet man. I love it. You know what
actually a bet you you're right, uh, this year that I don't know
if it can be done more effectively. But I do know that
Ableton Live which is the programme I'm using also runs on
Windows. So I guess if someone could figure out how to do
Virtual Audio Routing, then they could make it happen and of
course you need it and then excuse me, then we'll set up a
nice a nice windows version for you. How does that sound?
I've been drinking beer again in the evening.
I apologise.
There was a story going around. We had no we blogged her and I
was something I was thinking I actually my stepson sent it to
me there's there's this farting thing going on in some American
schools where the boys are into noisy public flatulence as a gay
EEG. And they just do it constantly, I guess in class,
and it's becoming something of a problem.
Oh, really? Yeah. And this is a new story. This is, yeah, it's
a new story. So there was some, you know, they don't do schools,
you know, they don't have corporal punishment or anything
anymore. So they don't know what to do about stuff like this. And
the boys can say, look, it's a normal bodily function, there's
nothing I can do about it if I fart. And so and so they but the
what they do, of course, is that they amplify it by you know, I
guess, you know, you force it to make I guess, somebody can, you
know, even fart the alphabet, but it's becoming kind of
a problem. So, so this is a nationwide problem, or is this.
I think it's localised now, but it could go nationwide.
I've been trying to rile up the Brits, on the daily source code,
trying to open their eyes to the Snoop Dog nation that we all
live in here. Now that they found out that 800 different
organisations can order a wire or internet tap on anyone,
including any senior manager at the Department of Agriculture.
Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, this is huge news. You didn't know
about this? No, tell me. Oh. So what happened was the minister
of Parliament, I forget what his name was. He was having a
conversation with one of his constituents who happened to be
in jail. So it's kind of unimportant what the
conversation was about, but other ministers of Parliament
had him wiretapped or eavesdropped on that
conversation. And so the at first what started as out as a
story about ministers of Parliament, needing to have the
right to be able to speak to their constituents, constituents
in complete confidentiality, turned into all this
information, like duh, you know, just look around the look of the
4 million cameras in this country. It turns out that
there's 800 different organisations within the United
Kingdom who can ask for what they call an intercept. So
that's either phone conversation, phone records,
apparently websites you visit, which I guess can only really
work if they have some kind of Echelon type derivative working.
And, and the level of, as I just said, the, you know, the level
of seniority of someone who can order this wiretap is, you know,
basically a senior manager, which is just, you know, it's
crazy. I bet you this, this country is ramping with wiretaps
and other intercepts. John, are you still there? Hello. Ah,
there he goes. Okay, what point did you do? Did you miss Oh,
that was the you know, you have to probably keep this on the on
the show, because as soon as you said the word echelon, you got
disconnected. I swear to God, it was exactly. Well, I don't know
how they do it unless you have some sort of Echelon clear?
Well, I'm still I'm still recording because I basically
finished my story unaware that you were dropped off. And then
you call back
where to echelon. You said, Well, I don't know how they can
do that. Unless they have some sort of Echelon type. And that
was it.
Right. So I'll just recap briefly, as it turns out,
there's 800 organisations and his list has now been published,
which includes, you know, obscure departments, like
Department of Agriculture, who had a or the council, you know,
the council, the people who, who run, you know, the local, the
local council, they, you know, as senior manager can request an
intercept.
Wow, that's cool.
It's probably nuts. Anyway, to bring that back back to the
flatulence, you know, so then I start to dive into it. And I'm
like, No, you guys really should protest. And by the way, I want
to protest too, because it's pretty messed up. It turns out
protesting ain't that easy in the United Kingdom. Did you know
that?
Well, you can send a nasty letter to the times I believe
you can do that. But if you actually want to take it to the
streets, and there's this, I blogged it on curry.com There's
a an excellent documentary called taking liberties, which
is a I think it's a channel for maybe even a BBC documentary
that shows you exactly what happens to people who protest
basically, you try to protest it just ain't gonna happen. You
just gonna get picked up, arrested, harassed and removed
from the streets.
Can't you go to Hyde Park and do it?
You can do it. I think you could do well, that's not a protest,
you can go to Speaker's Corner. But, in fact, it is illegal to
protest within one kilometre of Parliament. You may not protest
at all within one kilometre
of Parliament. Hmm, nine are we getting these ideas? Yep, they
exactly so so I'm like, well, then we should do some kind of
some other kinds of civil disobedience who may be flash
mobs. You know, that always works because that always shows
up in the newspapers, but maybe we could all just start farting.
Now was wondering how you're gonna get there you
go. It took me a while. A while Long Road.
Let's test this thing out. John, hold on a second. Let's just
test the audio out. Okay. Sure. All right, here we go.
Hey, Adam and John. I was just listening to no agenda 13. And
you mentioned that you're trying to find strippers or hookers to
audition for texture. Guild, but some people probably won't take
it as a joke. And it'll probably get forwarded over to Natalie
del Conte that she's made Jesus stripper and or a hooker. And I
don't think you really want that kind of image going from you. I
mean, I'm sure there's something which
by the way, you can if you want to interrupt something, you can
just yell loudly at any point in time.
I think that guy needs to just was that. I mean, what time did
he do this at three in the morning?
Whenever he was listening to our show, I never had any
intention of hiring hookers for anything. Well, at least for the
show. Anyway, the point is, you know, that's where I could use
the rim shot. I don't have one. Anyway, okay, well, we're gonna
get one for you. And you can use it judiciously. But strippers I
thought would be a good idea for a hostess. Seems to me. Okay, it
was Did you just report back to the whole idea was nixed by the
CEO.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It I think it had a shelf life of about
three nanoseconds?
No, it was longer than that. It was until we found out about it.
Exactly. Have you seen Natalie's new show? I know you have
actually, I know you saw at least one episode. I'm
surprised.
Honestly, surprises are pretty much the same show she was doing
before.
Yeah, except with shitty lighting and, and a virtual ugly
set in the background. And I thought it was gonna be a little
little more than that, honestly. And, and also, I don't like the
way it's edited or put together. But that's just some technical
stuff.
But yeah, I would just do actually didn't surprise me too
much. I think it's okay. So anyway, back to the some of
these new stories that aren't relating to tech, since you've
got off, you know, we're not supposed to be talking about it
necessarily. Right. I was just looking at my own blog. And one
of the guys blogged the fact that they're trying to close
down the red light district and they may be on their way. And in
Amsterdam. What's that
all about? Yeah, it's true. No, it's this is what happens. You
know, there's a couple things going on. It's, you know,
there's a Christian Democrat, Christian Democratic majority
in, in the in the government. Lot, you know, this is, of
course, also bringing, quote the country up to EU standards. And
the same is happening with the coffee shops where you
infamously can go standards.
I mean, I thought that, for example, they were like
instituting these kinds of red light districts in countries
like Germany to compete for what they call the sex tourist. In
Europe. So how's this? I mean, that sounds like a counter trend
to me.
No, I think there's a difference between some new regulation and
I can't speak about Europe, but I can speak about the
Netherlands, where they made brothels legal, but the actual
red light district where girls are standing in Windows, they
want to get rid of that. So the the concept of having a brothel
and I think even escort services are outlawed, and maybe maybe
they now I think those are actually probably still allowed,
but the real in the window with your wares, I think that's
what's being taken away, which, of course, is exactly sorry.
Well, as someone who's visited Amsterdam more than a few times,
and by the way, I've not actually done anything with
anybody in Amsterdam to be for people out there who, who want
to know, not like anyone cares. But I just want to say that as a
tourist, I have walked around with a bunch of guys, and
whatever, it's through that area, and there's a number
there's actually two or three, you know, little alleys and
stuff. There's hundreds of these girls in his different layers of
quality, if you want to be objective about it. And I think
it's kind of amusing. And I think it's kind of an
interesting little thing people do they walk around, I don't see
that many much business going on. I suppose they're not there
at the right time. But the fact is, it's, it adds a kind of a
complex charm to the city that it seems it's been going on
apparently since the 15th century. It seems weird to me
that all of a sudden, during this era, when the Muslims are
the ones behind wanting to shut stuff like this down that, that
the Netherlands being irked by the murder of Van Gaal. The
filmmaker would essentially go along with the programme which
is what it looks like they're done. doing? Well,
so I'll respond by saying, You're absolutely right. This
completely ruins what used to be a really good vibe, just in
that, in that core centre of Amsterdam, but over the past
decade and really has gotten it, it's gone down to even past 15
years probably, that used to be all Dutch girls, which of course
was a part of the appeal. And now I do not think you will find
one single Dutch born girl in the red light district. They're
all either from, you know, East Bloc countries basically. So you
know, so that kind of cosy hanging out the window type vibe
is gone. And of course, it's become a centre for, for lots of
hard drug trafficking and usage. In general, because it's an old
part of the city, it's, you know, it's difficult to police
because of all kinds of alleyways and nooks and
crannies, so I understand where they're coming from. And I don't
think that if you talk to the Amsterdammer, who lives there,
there's probably not a lot of love loss because it just wasn't
fun to go there anyway. You know, since just some some
cultural immigration, like changes have taken place.
Well, that's one way of putting it. So one time I was in Holland
and I, as I was leaving to go to the ER, I forget where I was
taking a cab. I was taking a cab somewhere, which doesn't make a
lot of sense. Not I think about it, I guess was to the airport.
Not because I would normally take the train to the airport.
No, I didn't do that. But anyway, I was taking his cabinet
I was talking to that somehow it came up in the conversation that
exists cabbie who a lot of cabbies are talkative said, you
know that red light district is a big phoney for the locals
anyway, nobody goes there, right? He says they go to and he
pointed out some areas in some other part of town. It's like
where the locals go. And it's not even anywhere near there.
And then I watched some special did that it sounds as though the
town has two or three, at least separate little districts. And
this one, that's the tourist trap, which is entertaining is
the one that nobody uses.
Yeah. Oh, there's also been some other problems in that area with
the famous castle Roscoe. I'm sure you saw it when you were
there. If so, have you ever heard of that concert? Also?
Yeah, I've heard of it. But you know, that you mentioned I don't
recall. I don't know what it is.
Well, it's quite famous. For two reasons. One, it is the probably
the the original. Live sex show
club. All right. Yeah, right.
Really theatre, I should call it because you know, you walk in
and you can have a little drink in the foyer. Yay. And then
there's finally maybe 100 seats, and then you watch some kind of
live show on stage.
Those kinds of shows in San Francisco, right. So
this is now see about about 10 years ago, they became very
famous to be the first ones to be actually streaming, people
having sex live for a fee. And all of the all of the porn
sites, all the porn servers in the, in the mid 90s, were all
pretty much located in Amsterdam, if not operated by
Cassata also. So they were really on the inside as a story,
when, when we were taking our previous company public, we did
what is called a road show. So this was 1996. And the road show
means you go around in our case to not just to different
investors in the United States, but then you also do a European
roadshow, and you basically want everyone to sign up and say,
Yeah, you know, I'll buy into 20% That's what it is. 20% 20%
you want everyone to take 20%? So of course, then you become
oversubscribed. That's kind of the the way that works. And so
we had Switzerland, the United Kingdom, we had a number of
places on the map, but we decided to start in Holland
because I knew that there were a couple of investors who, you
know, collectively, they might actually take, you know, 15 or
20%. So we did you know, one of those days and our in our
investors, of course, were the underwriters were along with us
on the road for this road show. And we're in Amsterdam. So these
are all like real Wall Street banker types and like, Hey, man,
what are you gonna do? We gotta go to the red light district. We
gotta go. Sorry. Okay. And then we're walking down the red light
district and the guy from Casa Roscoe, who of course was just
doing this enough internet stuff. The basically the guy
who's outside who's supposed to pull people in? He starts
yelling at me. Hey, Adam curry. Hey, man.
Yeah. You're on the internet. We're on the internet. Okay, so
yeah, come on, in,
you know, I'll come to you guys come on in for free. So, you
know, of course, you know, like with our, with our underwriters
and you know, it's real macho type dealing, okay. So we go in,
and the show starts and we're sitting pretty, pretty close up
to the front. And of course, it's audience participation
time, and the girl comes over to me. And I'm like, oh, man, I am
so not into this. And you know, then of course, these guys are
hooting and hollering Okay, so I get up on stage. Well, wait
a minute before you go on. Can you also mention the fact that
during this era, especially in 96, you are extremely famous?
Yeah, in amps. You're down. Yeah. But people that don't
realise it. I mean, we're not talking about a little famous.
Yeah, yeah. Very famous. Okay, anyway, continue.
But that didn't really didn't matter. I don't think most of
the people who were in there knew me except for the
guy or girl might have.
I don't know, it's possible. It's very possible. So you know,
and so then, you know, she does kind of funny stuff, she grabs
you in the crotch, and then you know, and then at a certain
point, you know, it's really meant to humiliate the guy she
picks out of the audience, right. So a certain point, she
lays down on her back, and then she grabs my head. And then she
brings me down to my knees. And, of course, I was just standing
in front of her previously and she brings her head down towards
her crotch. And at the same time, a fucking guy in a monkey
suit with a strap on dildo walks out behind me and starts boning
me from the front. So there was a good evening had by all
in the casseroles that on tape.
No pictures, unfortunately.
But more naked are no no, no, no, no, no, I was I was fully
clothed, much done with that thing on
Yeah, well, but it was quite a surprise, because, you know, I'm
like, oh, yeah, you know, she's bringing my head down between
her crotch and then basically kneeling with my butt in the
air. And then this guy dressed in a monkey suit comes out from
stage left with a big strap on dildo. So, you know, it was?
I would say that the whole act is designed to humiliate the
patron. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. What did they expect to
accomplish with this kind of thought hilarity ensued
my friend.
Hey, anything for a good laugh? Man, I tell you. So anyway, so I
just find that that is quite interesting that they would have
such a cultural change. But I guess if you're, you're, you're
right, because I noticed that this most of the, the most of
the girls were, you know, they weren't even that interesting to
be honest about it.
No, they really are. And there's these, there's a show called
Amsterdam nights or something that rancher runs somewhere in
the States, but basically runs on Sky late at night, and they
have these documentaries about that very area and about these,
these shows, and it's all pretty pathetic. When you really, when
you look behind the scenes of what's happening, it's pretty
sad.
So, you know, on Thursday, went to Las Vegas and to give a
speech to the convention of all things, Orthodox Madonna's
Yeah, I heard you talking about that on tech five.
So, in the process, I was only going to be there for one night
and then give the speech by the way, I have a new speech for
anyone out there who's booking speeches, I've been telling the
speeches on her. Tell us about it twice so far.
And they will give me give me a summary what he taught you.
Essentially, what
I do is I talk about, you know, it's, it's, it's got various
titles, but it's like, marketing in the age of the internet. And
it talks about how it and it gives people exact details on
how to like, you know, do vanity searches, how to check out your
competition, how you know, how to set up, you know, various
kinds of websites, blogs, whatever what their value is,
then it talks about things like our you know, if you're running
a business, you're an orthodontist, are you listed on
somebody yelped you, and you know what Yelp is and how does
it work and all that kind of thing. And then how to use
Craigslist. It's it's a lot of, like, intense information and
how to how to think everything
interacts do you do this with? With PowerPoint slides? You just
stand? Oh, yeah,
yeah, no, you use PowerPoint, you have to use PowerPoint
slides. And in today's day and age, if you don't use PowerPoint
slides, you can't keep an audience anymore. It's, it's
weird,
really. You just use pretty.
I've been giving speeches for decades and and I've gone
through everything from using multimedia, to just stand alone
where you're up there lecturing, and I don't read speeches, of
course, I think that's lame. As Bush, I always get the biggest
kick out of watching somebody go up on a podium and start reading
a speech. It's, I want you to send me the damn thing on email.
Yeah, you know if that's what you're going to do.
So do your slides consists of just pictures, or do you have
words up there as well?
It depends. There are some words some just sometimes it just
shows sites and then I discussed them. But anyway, the whole
thing is, what's weird, or what I discovered is that the vast
majority of people out there who actually work for a living they
don't know about half of this stuff. I mean, they don't know
what Twitter is. They don't know what Yelp is a very few of them
know about Craigslist, unless you're like in the San Francisco
Bay Area. They're in some high tech zone. Generally speaking,
this stuff is still got low penetration.
Sounds like it's time for a new book, John. Yeah, I
know that we may do a book around it. How
about high penetration marketing initiatives?
H M i
h PMI baby. This has an HDMI factor of nine and a half.
We could come up with HP EMI factor I liked that HP EMI
anyway so that so what I wanted to actually talk about those not
brag about this great new speech, but to So I was there on
Thursday. So I decided to go to Joel rubra. Sean's at Lea to
have the tasting menu. Okay, I sat right next to it. Right,
right. Yeah, is it you know, it's 130 bucks plus whatever
they can nick it for the wine can't keep the whole thing came
to a way. It's very expensive. And I'm sick. And I, you know,
there was like around the room is beautiful. And it's in the
MGM and it's just a really nice little restaurant and little,
it's a big restaurants. And but I just thought that, you know, I
was thinking about and I noticed I was sitting next to a guy who
was a maitre d ad at the Tribune, which is a restaurant
in Calgary, and you know, and I noticed that he was actually
drinking the bottled water. But you know, a lot of people were,
you know, you know, this water thing is like a big deal. Nobody
wants it. You know, the idea now is don't drink bottled water in
a restaurant, we
actually have a, we actually have a, an audio comment about
that remind me, I'll play it for you have it queued up when
you're ready. Okay.
But what was interesting to me, I've come to I've kind of got to
the conclude because I didn't really feel satisfied with this
meal, it was, you know, all the little bitty plays, which I
normally would go for, I mean, you get a real better deal. If
you if people are interested in this kind of eating, you go to
San Sebastian, Spain, and you can, you know, astonishing I
mean, 1/4 the price and twice the quality. But anyway, the I
just thought the whole thing was an unrewarding experience and I,
and I had yelped it before I went there and looked at the
various comments, and there was all the everyone all the best
meal I've ever had in my life. And then some people with a lot
of experience, were really downplaying and saying, you
know, this was very disappointing. And, of course, I
would I did that and falling into that category. I don't
think it was that. I don't think it was worth it.
What do you what do you attribute this disappointment
to?
Well, the fact that the guy who, you know, the Joe ruber Shawn's
not there he comes in once every couple months. I mean, this is
like, I'm reminded most of these Vegas restaurants are that way.
I mean, Bradley Ogden opened a place there, and he claimed he's
gonna move to Vegas, he's gonna stay there. I've called that
restaurant every time I go to Vegas, because I know Bradley,
and he's never there. And none of these guys are, I mean, Uber
Keller from San Francisco, Florida, Lee seems to be in
Vegas.
But he seems to be in Vegas more than he's in San Francisco.
He seems to be in Vegas a lot. But he wasn't there either. And
he wasn't at the last couple times, I went there. So these
restaurants are very reminiscent of the kind of French
restaurants you'd find in the Middle East, in many of the big
cities, like and if you go to Dubai, for example. They have
all these French restaurants and are exact copies of the places
in Paris, and a guest they fly these chefs in once in a while
to make sure that everyone's doing everything right. But for
the most part, they're not there. And that was this this
quality when you're dealing with super high end quality, the chef
has to be there or the quality just deteriorates because
there's no taskmaster.
Isn't this also what happened to i What's his name? Gordon, with
his New York restaurants Gordon Ramsay. Yeah. Didn't you didn't
know it's closed down, basically. Because he wasn't
there enough.
I would think that would be the reason. Yeah. But so I asked. So
anyway, they have a French guy running the thing. And I asked
the guy who seemed like a nice enough guy, but I asked him, I
said, when does ruber Shawn coming and apparently he's
coming in next week, which have been the time to go. He says he
comes in once every couple of months for like, you know, week,
and which seems like actually more than most of these guys
will do. And I said, I asked the guy so why is he is he like an a
hole to work for? Is he like a real? Is he a prick? But I said,
that's that guy. And the guy the French guy looks at me with a
camera, like a bug of height and and so one of the assistants
over you know, sous chef or whatever, and it says, Uh, yeah,
he's a real cocksucker
guy says he's totally got you know, and then the French guy,
the guy running the thing says I didn't say that and then he
walks off and I'm thinking that's what you have to have in
these restaurants. You have to have a taskmaster who's who's
probably not necessarily adored for his meanness, but so I
that's what I kind of attribute it to just
Well, of course, that's that is a problem you know, if you run
your place, you know, like an asshole which allowed these guys
apparently in the workplace seemed to need to be just an
observation. You know, if when you're gone, then everything's
gonna slip.
Yeah, I've noticed this. You know, I want to if you ever get
to a place one of the Wolfgang Puck's places Yeah, I've
been there. I've been to his place in in LA.
If you get to that he had a place posttrial he still does I
guess in San Francisco. I went there once when he was there.
And it's like night and day. It's amazing. And that's the
problem with these all these guys that are at that level. Now
some people I think probably can set up a have a system where
they don't have to be working so much but I think for the most
part, they can't do it.
The third guy, his his, his wife can stay in one place that I
think that makes a difference to
a little bit but you know, I think it's a very high end, the
super high end, Allen to cost seems to get away with it. He's
the only one I've run into where you can go to his restaurants
not that you know, anyone I've been recommending you go with
spandex. This is not this guy is expensive. But you can go to his
restaurants without him being there and be assured that you're
going to get a killer meal. Because he has I guess he I
think it's me must be able to hire people to write I don't
know, I don't I'm not in that business. I don't know how it
works.
Let's listen to that bottled water comment. I don't remember
what it was. See if it's any good.
Hey, Adam, this is Doug in Illinois calling with a little
call out about your show last week where you had mentioned
some sort of quote about if Coca Cola came free out of your tap
Would you still go to the store and buy it and that you know the
point was that no you wouldn't. Well, you got to think about
water that does come out of our taps and how big is the bottled
water industry? We consumers are idiots you know especially where
I live you know we've got you know, this Great Lake Michigan
water and I still you know, go out and buy bottled waters now.
What is that? Why do we do that? Who started that?
I think it was started with the shishi use of the sparkling
bottle was in Perry a years ago in the 70s that became a big
deal and it was really I mean there was only the one or two
would you could get and then somewhere along the line I think
what happened there was this one moment it was maybe in the late
80s or something where some of these health nuts came out with
that you have to drink so much water all day you should be
drinking eight glasses of water a day and it was like a big deal
to drink just drink water and
it was about the carrying of water to you had to carry it
around
well that became kind of a camera yuppie thing and I think
it became a you know what kind of an image like a cigarette you
know people would have you know, once they stopped smoking, they
didn't have anything to do with their hands. They moved to
gravitate
just carry around the dildo man that's the easiest thing
so anyway, they carried around water and it became like a thing
and you see people you know they pull out the water bottle they
unscrew your screw it they take a swing and then they screw and
they put I mean it's like you know just something to do
it's like a canteen isn't it? It's you know, we used to have
canteens as kids remember you had that the green canteen on
your belt? We should we should reintroduce that just fucking
military canteens.
Actually, that's a great idea. These bottle have a can to the
cantonal military with camouflage on
one of those chains, so you don't lose the top right you
know, chain rattles around. That's a pretty good idea.
Because I've stopped ordering bottled water in I don't buy it.
In general anyway. But in restaurants, they all ask
specifically for tap water. Because as far as I'm concerned,
it's, it's, it's certainly regulated, it's probably better
for you. It's probably safer to drink and it's free.
That's paying eight, eight to $16 on top of your regular
dinner bill is six bucks to $8 for a bottle of
water man and I hate it when they bring it to your table and
the top is already off and you just know that they filled it up
in the back with regular toggles. That's
why by the way, that's why I always tell people only get
sparkling bottled water because that's the only way you can tell
it's real half assured that they did some work.
Now let's see if this guy's anything else. You refill
those and try to stretch the dollar a little bit. But man,
what a consumer city that I am and most of us have gotten
bottled water. So I'm not sure if the Coca Cola coming out of
the tap analogy is quite appropriate to the music
industry. Sometimes people oil ago, you know, the market
drives. That was from a while. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah. So there's an interesting piece of
news that's going under the radar here that I want to bring
up for the show. After I got my my mention of the lotto Lea,
which now gives me a tax write off by the
way, I will tell you what is kept in place that
I was disappointed. Okay, gotcha. So, Ms. There was a
reporter that was just casually talking on MSNBC, one of their
anchors, or one of their part timers who used the term were
said, don't you think that they're pimping out Chelsea? Oh,
yeah. Going to some things. Yeah. This has become this huge
scandal. They put the guy on probation for saying that. Yeah.
for saying that. They were using the term and apparently what
what would the cascade effect began when Hillary heard that he
used the term pimped out and she decided that she's going to pull
out of the MSNBC version of these never end debates they're
having over here every two weeks or every week, there's a debate
on MSNBC, she doesn't say I'm not gonna do the MSNBC debates
and so like a good journalistic organisation that they are they,
they put the guy on notice, essentially firing him and said,
whatever you want, Hillary will do whatever you want. This is
like a bad signal, it seems to me that these spineless jerks
that are at MSNBC would do this because one of their guys
casually used the term pimped out when it was very appropriate
it made actually actual sense and in any sort of grammatical
or, or linguistic way. And they would fire the guy over this
because Hillary didn't like it's unbelievable.
Does Hillary understand the the modern cultural reference that
that actually refers to? Does she understand that? Or does she
she thinking that she's still in the days of Huggie? Bear with a
big fedora hat being and her being Chelsea's pimp?
I would think that she would, the latter would probably be the
situation me where she doesn't understand what that phrase
means or anything in between. But I mean, that's what Be my
guest. But even if she did it, whether she did or didn't it's,
you know, I mean, if that's the case, and MSNBC should have
explained it to her, I mean, yeah, I don't think I don't
really even care if she wants to throw her weight around. Because
if you're gonna throw your weight around as a politician,
and tell the news media what
to do and what to how to speak. Yeah, true, and
knock yourself out show, you know, but if these guys are the
spineless worms, that that they apparently are, that they can't
eat, you know, stand up to the to the, you know, powers, you
know, they're always what's the truth to power was a big one of
these Democrat, liberal phrases that it's going around, if they
can't even do that as a as a, as a functioning media company. I
mean, it's hopeless that I would just I just just gold by this,
but what really got me is that nobody in the media has said,
jumped up and down in disgust over this. They just Oh, yeah.
Well, here's what happened was we reported as a news item and
blah, blah, blah, and they're on on to the next story, because it
was handled like straight news. And I'm thinking, how can you
like let this slide? You know,
well, we've talked about, you know, the state of journalism
before in fact, I'm looking this up now. There was, you know,
Camden Market you I'm sure you've heard of Canada market,
John. Yeah. burned to the ground burned to the ground last night.
And I was reading the story on the BBC website.
Hold on. I'm just going to find it for a second because I just
could not believe that they had done this whole lot. Camden.
Gotta love the BBC, though. They do have a lot of cool cool
stuff.
Scrap where is it? Okay. Your tax dollars at work? Yes.
Yeah, exactly. Major fire cannon. Okay, here we go. I hope
Oh, crap. I didn't want that. Okay, I can't find it. But
anyway, they were able to turn the story in Camden into an
entertainment piece. Unbelievable. But because the
pub and that's why I was looking for the for the article, I'll
find it. There's a pub that that also burned to the ground, which
was frequented by many celebrities, including the now
in rehab, Amy Winehouse. I was blown away that they
could actually turn on Amy Winehouse plug.
They could actually. I mean, that was just unbelievable. That
is unbelievable. That is pathetic. It is but this is what
it's become. I mean, all it is just looking at the news, the
BBC News, you know, Katelyn McCann is still an area
but one of the most important little areas in London burns to
the ground and somehow they they work in Amy Winehouse was got
nothing to do with the story. Exactly. Except she went there
once. I mean, you could probably say almost everybody wants to
throw anybody's name and why Amy Winehouse,
and because you know, they've reported on her getting smashed
in that bar. I mean, it's just it's not it's completely nuts.
It's like we can't live without the distraction of entertainment
news. In everything. It's yeah, I don't know. It's
It's terrible. I mean, I find it to be disgusting. And the thing
is, you can rant about it all you want, but the public you
know, eats this stuff up. I mean, everybody you know, you
can say anything you want to but you can add that little that
little entertainment angle and the next thing you know, you
know, the numbers go up. There's no sense of responsibility by
the media, which is I think there should be where they Yeah,
okay, we can do that. But we're not going to just do that.
Obviously it has to be because that's what we as the public
want. I mean, there's no doubt about it. It's it's supply and
demand. We we desperately want more stuff that includes news of
preferably fucked up celebrities.
Yeah, yes. Does it make you feel better about yourself? I guess.
Is that it is that so we're that unhappy that we have to?
Oh, that poor girl. Well, she's she's got so much talent and
look at her she's all screwed up and she's got tattoos all over
she's just a wreck.
But how but how but how come? That's that is so interesting to
us and makes me feel so much better and 3 million displaced
Iraqis. You know, we don't give a shit about why is that?
Well, because they're not Amy Winehouse. They can't sing.
That's true.
They can sing. If you can sing. I'll care about you, bitch.
That's funny.
Look at the talented little Iraqi kid. Oh, now I care about
him. He could dance. You could tap dance and sing.
That would help. It's not I noticed this. But I saw the
interesting thing that they're doing on CBS. And they doing it
locally tonight. This green thing is really, it's coming on
so strongest, I think it's gonna burn itself out a little too
much. Now they are local news. They have a thing called the
Green beat. And when they go in this like says always some lame
story about somebody saving energy, you know, or recycling
or making a compost
pile and it's just before the weather's when they always have
the green beat. It's filler, John, it's when we have no news.
But what's
weird is now when they go to the green beat the logo for the
station changes in just for the green beat to green. It's
unbelievable.
It's not going to burn out. Dude, this is a this is already
a $10 billion industry. Green is here for for a long time.
I'm not happy about it.
Here comes the hate mail.
So what So anyway,
so what was the report the green report.
So last week, we didn't talk about this until after the show,
which was and I think it's still worth bringing up because I made
a note. Although you know, there's a spontaneity is kind of
shot when I make notes. But I'm still going to do this. Which is
you have an Amex black.
Oh, right. Right. Right. We did talk about this. I remember.
Yeah. I don't have one. But
yeah, so I was finally you're just I have this card. Right.
This
is the black card from American Express. Which at one point in
the I'd have to say late 80s. You know, it was quite the
status symbol to have and I guess it still is, although I
can't imagine why.
I don't know. I've only seen it two of them ever. The guy who
runs the register. John lettuce has one. And he's also one of
the owners. And, and a friend of mine, Bill Losee has one
that this is how I found the website. What was it black dash
amex.com or Amex?
Not some website that people should check out because it's
quite funny.
Let me see Amex I think was Amex dash black.com. Let me just
check. Yeah, yeah, they have. This is great. They have a
picture of all kinds of hip hop artists. Like a very exclusive
club you definitely want to be associated with there's all
kinds of pictures on this web blog of people holding up their
black card inside their Bentley showing their statements. Look,
I had $45,000 I had to pay on my black card and then what was the
one you found? Was it Lindsay Lohan
she's not at the bottom there was a there was a I think maybe
I got it off.
I don't know it's still here. It's still here. It's
still there. Yes. It's a picture of Lindsay Lohan to driver's
licence. Yeah.
And and of her American Express black card with a little
American Express black but what was I was fascinated that she is
like so photogenic that she looks great on your licence
photo.
She looks awesome. And she looks a lot better than she does now.
I think this is from 2006 This this picture? No, wait a minute.
Yeah. 2006 Yes, it is.
So anyway, so it might the only reason for bringing this up is I
wanted to make a public complaint not about the black
card I don't care okay. And I think you know somebody wants to
spend you know, have one that's okay. But the I was told by one
of these guys that it's great if you travel internationally a
lot, they're handy. But the is the fact that Amex came up with
a blue card which has a smart chip in it which I thought would
be a smart card that would be like the ones they have in
Europe and if anybody travels in, in France for example,
there's always these complaints about how the service is so bad
and the waiters are rude and all the rest of it but the fact of
the matter is, you go there and now a days when you want your
check they come out with a slumber J handheld device, they
grab your smart card, stick it on there, it sucks the money
right out of the car, you sign right on the spot. You never
have to You're out of there. It's actually much faster than
what we do. Yeah. And so I figured well this is cool
because Amex has got
a way to mint way image on now there's there's two different
systems there's the the chip the chip card, which actually stores
the money on The chip itself, right? And then there's just the
regular chip that has identifying information, right?
Instead of the stripe, but it's not actually loaded onto the
card. It just it just checks your balance.
Right. But the point is, is that when they stick this thing in
this little slumber J machine, which is wireless to it, it does
that it does the authorization everything. Exactly. Or or it
sucks it out of that other type of card, which is the
debit that's pretty common over here. i All restaurants have the
wireless swipers.
Well, anyway, the point I was making was that so I figure Amex
is getting on the bandwagon because the smart card the card
with a chip on it has been slow to evolve in the United States,
because our infrastructure and from what other reasons, and one
of the somebody pointed out to me once is that one of the main
reasons is that the patents on those cards is held by some
French guy, and it's just thrown out, the Americans aren't going
to use these cards, of course, because we don't want to pay the
two cents for this guy's patent. Anyway, but the irony to the
AMEX card is I fear that we're doing something smart here. It's
not compatible with the oldest systems in Europe. That's so
what's the point?
I don't understand what incompatibilities there can be
though, because all my European cards work in the US. So just in
all different machines and ATMs. I'm
just told that you can't you know, the way you can use those
cards over there, where the gut waiter comes out and just give
it to him and he boom, right? Yeah, and then it doesn't work
doesn't work with this blue card.
Are you sure that you didn't just get declined?
I didn't have one I'm just telling you what somebody was
giving me the lecture about when I was bragging about this card
to some smart card expert he says you know, there's it's an
incompatible system and you they have to go through the old way
the old mechanism was at the swipe and send it to some
computer I mean, it's not like you can just give them the card
and walk away like you can with the European cards. Okay, so we
don't have any I'm wrong maybe somebody can correct me but
that's what I'm told. I was just gonna say you never taken off we
nobody uses the AMEX blue
we don't have we don't have first first hand experience.
That's because the cards I think is a dud.
Now let me ask you this John. Which of the stories and topics
we've discussed today? Will you be highlighting on twit fucker
probably haven't been on twit for a while.
I tell you that we started off something man. It's like now
every single show that used to talk about tech now there's
talking about stories that just talk and stuff not even about
the news just about product which is great by the way, I
mean, I love listening to it. But it's but it's not about you
but let
me wonder what you're talking about here with the twit thing
and I once on some twit I think I want
every single episode every single episode you're bringing
up great stories about food and travel and I'm jealous. I'm like
the fucking bitch over here you know and John's on all these
shows and on Twitter
that gorilla does it
just talking about that story got me all worked up. So but no
man use like your all your best material is going to tech shows
investment Stop it Stop it. Tech on the tech show.
You don't that's the problem though. But
once three months ago you're right I brought something up
about cars or something. No,
no, it was the fig trees and it was all kinds of interesting
stuff.
What about the fig trees?
I think it was you were talking about fig trees and how there's
one route and that they branch out four acres. I don't know
what it was.
No, that's the cashew? The cashew I'm sorry. Yeah, the
cashew tree in Brazil is one no no don't go
repeating it go talk to your tech friends about that
story No, that's good. I don't want to hear it anymore and on
and on and on and on and on and on.
Yeah, this is mature.
This message is in response or in regards to rather no agenda.
Just wanted to let you guys know that your show is what I
imagined podcasting would be when I first started listening
to podcasts to two or three years ago started out with the
VSC to be quite honest you guys are really interesting and I'm
really digging the fact that there really is no agenda and
that it's whatever is on your guys's minds is let you guys
talk about and it's it's kind of weird but I'm I seem to be in
agreement and
I feel funny between my legs when I listened on
the same wavelength to you guys when you guys are talking about
and so just want to say I really appreciate the new format that
you guys are
brother I mean talk that you just say you know we like to
show Goodbye.
Oh man. This is what podcasting is all about. John is the
unedited voice of the people.
The law you know they he makes an interesting point about what
he expects from podcasts. And I kind of in agreement one Other
things that shouldn't make Podcasting A little different is
the fact that it's not, you know, based on the models that
have evolved in radio, which are, you know, slicker, and
more produced also time driven, driven by an absolute start and
finish with a clock. Yeah, yeah.
And fact you have, and people don't realise this. And they
say, Well, I know what I'm gonna say, I hate the radio, because I
don't listen. And there's a commercial. I tried to switch
this as a commercial. And there's a commercial, every
station has got a commercial. Do you
know that when I worked at z 100. In New York, I did. I did
the morning show for a couple months. But I also did weekend
swing shifts, they had a number of lights in the studio. Because
you have that quarter hour actually, you're supposed to be
back into back to the music at 47 minutes past the hour, which
always is, of course, a big power rotation song, because
when someone hits it, like, oh, he has my favourite song when I
listen to it. But we had lights in the studio. And you could see
exactly when each individual competing station was in
commercials, and it would stay on while they were in
commercials. And what you wanted to do is finish it and finish
everything up before your own commercial break, to be back
into music before the lights went off from the other
stations. That's how competitive radio is or was at least in the
90s.
Yeah, I don't think that's done as much anymore. I think they
don't care. But
there is some general apathy there and radio land isn't
there?
Don't you think? Yeah.
Because it's all owned by Clear Channel? Yeah. Is your phone
ring?
Hold on? I guess somebody's ringing the phone. All right, I
want to
play something then while you're doing that, let me say
hello, Adam, or say hello, Adam. And John, because I intend this
message for no agenda. It's savant Steve in San Francisco.
Don't ask John. And I made a comment about the Sarbanes Oxley
stuff now professionally, I end up dealing with a lot of Sox
crap. So
are you listening to this? Are you?
Yeah, no, I'm hearing it.
Oh, you're back. You want me to finish?
Well, I wanted to hear what he said about Sarbanes Oxley.
Think about it. John's point was, well, why did we need a new
law? The guy's got busted anyway. Right? A proponent of
Sox would say yeah, but before you get an executive could go.
Well, I just didn't know what was going on. Didn't realise
what was happening. Sorry. And millions of people are out of
their pensions.
I don't know if he has a point, John. Currently not.
Yes, you have to get to the point where they you know,
within like, 15 seconds. This is 44 second
clue about how to do these clips. They gotta come in. They
gotta sit, hit it hard. And then get out of there. Yeah. Ladies
and gentlemen. Yeah. And in and out that way. Because I hate
Sarbanes Oxley. I think it's ruining your business.
It's ruined every single business. It's horrible.
Well, it's really bad for the tech business. And the thing
other people that the other thing people have to realise is
that during this little period where we don't have a lot of
public offerings, because there's just too hard to do,
because of Sarbanes Oxley, you just can't get your numbers,
right. And it's too much work. Nobody wants to be a director of
a public corporation because of it, is that these these giant
consortiums of money money, investment firms are privatising
companies left and right. And they're doing it to an extreme.
That's why all these buyouts, you know, the privatise this?
privatise that, and, and they're getting a huge portfolio of
companies. So what do you think they're going to do with these
companies, the first thing they're going to do is they can
clean up their numbers because they don't lose money on the
Sarbanes Oxley thing, since these are not public
corporations. Yes, they
strictly strip everything out. They've they cut everything
away, cut it into bits, if it's worth more and individual
individual pieces,
right, and they keep it and they do. So they fine tune these
things that ruined many of them. And then when when things loosen
up, which is going to happen eventually, with the repeal, or
the modification of Sarbanes Oxley, the first thing that's
going to happen as these privatised companies are going
to be thrown into the market as individual IPOs they're going to
swamp the market with because there's gonna be so many of
them, that the little tech companies that actually need the
money are going to aren't going to be able to even get the money
then. So I mean, right, it just getting worse by the day as long
as this continues to drag on.
Well, I think there's a lot more wrong with with Wall Street in
the end the whole system. I mean, it goes beyond that. I
mean, we have this this so called subprime crisis, which of
course is really a much bigger crisis as now the banks don't
trust each other and now that the bond rating companies, it's
messed up, and I think it's much much too there's a lot more news
to come. Before we can even you know Look at some kind of
healthy IPO market, I think.
Well, probably, but as far as I'm concerned, it's all because
of Sarbanes Oxley.
Okay, I'm not gonna fight. I
just, it's just a bad idea. I mean, I know the thing is, why
would the Republican administration be the one that
Institute's it? What are they trying to prove?
Well, can your boy John McCain change it? Since he'll be the
next president? And
I don't know what McCain's position is on that. I don't
know what his position is on most things. And by the way,
here's the last story I want to bring up. Now that you mentioned
politics. There's a huge thing going on here. That's just
hilarious. In California, they are actually in the Democratic
party this year, they have a thing called super delegates.
And as 40% of the votes that go into the convention are the
super delegates. And it seems as though they've already picked
Hillary no matter how the public votes the super delegates have.
Yeah, the super delegates are all on Hillary side so that
Hillary is gonna get his nomination by hook or crook,
because you just explain that super delegate to they have more
power, do they have more than
they can they the super delegate, unlike the regular
delegates, when the if they're assigned an area, whatever the
public decides, doesn't, they can do whatever they want? In
other words, they can say, Okay, well, you voted for Hillary, and
but I'm gonna go with Obama. Now, the locally, this has
actually happened already in Marin County, the hippie dippie.
County over here in the San Francisco Bay Area, which voted
heavily for Obama. And there's a congresswoman from the district
who's been given super delegates status to represent Marin. And
she says, I don't care what you voted, I'm voting for Hillary.
Right. So now everybody's up in arms about this is actually
quite funny to watch.
Interesting. So what's the what's the whole point? Yeah,
exactly. What's the point of all of these of all these primaries?
If what do you say 40%? of super delegates?
That's what I hear. Yeah.
And how do you get the super delegates status to you know,
does, I think it was
pretty free our Democratic National Committee when they put
together the programme for picking their candidate pre
convention? I think they dreamed this thing up, I think maybe
they've existed before. But I think this time, they've been
designed specifically really, to benefit one candidate. And
what's gonna happen if this is all you know, the way I'm
perceiving it, is that Obama could actually be viable but get
screwed by the system. Yeah,
by the by the, by the rigged system, absolutely rigged
system.
And what that'll do is that'll Burke, the black community to
such an extreme, because they're just gonna see the, you know,
this is another holding the man down, you got it. And so they're
gonna not vote. So unless No, that will be Hillary says, Well,
you know, they keep the blacks because they did come out in
great numbers to vote for Obama. There'll be in the hands of the
Vice President, the Vice President and
and that's the as you call it, unelectable ticket.
So non electable ticket. Why, again? Why did unelectable?
Yeah. I think there's too many negative votes. People that
would just vote against Hillary because they don't like her. And
I think a lot of them are women. And I think there's just a lot
of people who won't vote for a black guy. I think it's just the
inherent racism in the in in any system, because he's the first
one. I mean, I don't think that he can't when in fact, I think
as a longshot as a president, I think he could actually get the
job and I think he might be the president in 2012. But out of
the chute. We don't know anything about this guy. He just
showed up. I mean, I didn't hear about him four years ago. He's,
you know, he's basically a newbie, a noob. He's a newbie
and Anna Hillary's kind of a sleazeball. And yes, this
combination is not electable.
Let me ask you though, did you think Chelsea had gotten hotter
after they pimped her out? I thought she looked a little
hotter
I don't know she's you know she's seems like a nice enough
person but you know, I don't see the stink over I'm sure she
would have thought was funny. So do ask her what she thought
about being pimped out
and really that's what we need to hear from from from Chelsea.
She should you know that would be good for her to stand up and
say Yeah, fuck you MSNBC. The Republican Party Do they also
have super delegates?
Now the Republicans did something different though. I
don't think so. I don't know. But but you know, the
Republicans have gone with the you know, letting people vote
for them. But they pulled a couple of interesting stunts and
one of them cracks me up who didn't California again, so I'm
registered Independent. And and I've been a Democrat and I've
been a Republican nominee independent so I, you know,
looking at things from us, you can do whatever you want. So I
Yeah, that's what I thought so when I went to go to vote Which
I did it almost the last minute because I figured, well, you
know, I should at least throw some votes out because actually,
there was a local major I wanted to vote for. So I went in there
and they said, You are listed as an independent. I said, Yes. Is
it then you can use the Democrat or the independent ballot? Which
one do you want? What can I think and what about the
Republican? I wanted to use that ballot? And they said, no, no,
the Republican Party that this year they Oh, no, I did.
I didn't know about this. Yeah, I know, because there was this
big drive. For Ron Paul supporters to the they had to
know that they absolutely had to register as a Republican if they
wanted to make sure that their vote vote would be permitted and
or counted.
Right. So the Republicans have essentially cut off these, you
know, these free lance independents from sticking their
nose into their business. And I was kind of surprised by it. So
I took this so I took the Democrat ballot and voted for
Obama.
Oh, man.
So do you mind me ask you who you're gonna vote for if you had
been allowed to vote for clearly Republican candidate?
Well, I was either gonna vote for a Ron Paul or as I was, I
was really feeling a strong sense of throwing a wrench into
the works and voting for Huckabee. No.
Yeah, Ron Paul.
Huckabee is the funniest guy. There was an open mic
competition with all these candidates, Huckabee would kick
kick, everybody's through. He's hilarious. Ron Paul
kind of sent a concession notice out kind of, I'd say kind of,
because, you know, he's not pulling out of the race. And
he'll continue all the way through. But obviously, they're
scaling back their campaign and he also has a gubernatorial
race, I guess, you know, not gubernatorial, congressional.
So, you know, it's kind of like, well, we're gonna pull back a
little bit into but they but he is gonna go all the way to the
to the convention. Yeah, um, well, he has 40 or 50.
Delegates.
Yeah, well, that's something
it's about the message, John, it's not about the man.
Yeah, well, the message is not going anywhere, apparently.
Unfortunately. Well, no, it's not true. There's there's people
who voted for him. So those people who heard there's people
who worked who are clued in and will stay awake, you know, no
matter who becomes president will will pay attention will
make noise it really is more about an idea.
Well, I'll tell you the one thing that's going on here that
since you're in London, you're not privy to it necessarily
unless you listen to some of these guys on the internet but
the right wing talk show guys are just there's some deal that
wasn't done or somebody didn't get bought off or there's
something screwy about the fact that they hate McCain really
well this
of course is where all the all the sentiment comes from that
the the Republicans you know that that they don't agree with
McCain but it's not really the party. It's the right wing talk
guys.
Right so right wing, the right wing, the super the
conservatives, they call them, you know, they, they speak for
the conservatives, Rush Limbaugh. I'm not sure that's
true. But whatever the case is, Rush Limbaugh is the one leading
the way leading the charge. And but all the other guy's pretty
much fallen in line. And it's pretty interesting to listen to
it because I can't figure out. You know, you think that Well,
maybe it's because of this immigration bill that McCain
tried to push to get amnesty, the rest of it. That's what
George Bush was for that they voted for him. But that doesn't
count. They think he's a liberal in sheep's clothing, or he talks
to Democrats too much. Or he's, you know, he's too friendly to,
you know, Democrats, I guess he's a Democrat. Underneath it
all they claim, but he's not I don't see it. And I don't know,
I think the whole thing somewhat baffling.
Well, you're, you immediately assumed someone hadn't been paid
off? What's kind of interesting, as a state? Well, I
mean, the subway that doesn't have to have not to my money.
I'm being like, you know, somebody's having a meeting or
somebody got stiffed or you know, somebody said, Can I have
an appointment with an individual, we can chat about
what your policies are. And now on my show,
man, come on my show and talk with talk on my show. Yeah,
stuff like
that. I mean, you know, it doesn't take much to get
somebody in broadcasting. Who's been who's huge for millions of
listeners to get kind of, you know, full of themselves.
Yeah, kind of like me. Yeah, yeah. A perfect example. Yeah.
I'm a great example of that. The
casting gets that way.
All right, John, I think we've, we've had it for this week.
Yeah, you got it. You got anything else? No, I went
through the whole list and said, Oh, this was an actual list from
notes you took
from last week? Yeah. But I put them underneath the printer
here. So I wouldn't lose them because that's typical,
typically what happens? And so I have a list. There's a couple of
things on here like Green Public Relations. I don't understand
what that means. Like, you know, they're just typical. I don't
know what I'm doing your ag notes. Interesting benefits for
the AMEX black. I don't know.
All right. And that literally wraps up another episode of no
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