Adam curry, John C. Dvorak is the second of July 2009. That is
time for your get mo nation audio publication episode 109.
This is no agenda coming to you from the undisclosed lawful
location in San Francisco Gitmo nation west on the Deathstar
limiting internet connection. I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley in a probably located location
you could figure out but you know if you're debt you could
figure it out Adams place to I'm John C. Dvorak. Greg Levin,
Buzzkill. They've already figured it out, John, it's no
big secret. I'm like what you put on the door, honey. So we
don't want anyone to find us.
How did that happen? I don't know. Because I can assure you
that I didn't tell anybody.
No, no, no, there was a couple of things that were interesting.
And what were let's give it to people the background. Yeah, the
background is that the Dutch press, both in a magazine and on
television, spoke about the new love nest that Adam and Mickey
are staying in in San Francisco. And the lead Lulla loved that
nest. And, and they had pictures on pictures of the outside. They
had the the exact amount we're paying in rent a month, which
was interesting. And that of course, yeah, that led me to, to
a number of Actually, it wasn't it was close enough, though. And
then they had pictures on the inside. But it was pretty funny
is I guess they got pictures from a website or some other
brochure because there's multiple units in this building.
And luckily, they got the one in the top floor, which I think
cost $17,000 A month in rent. So it looks like we have quite a
love nest indeed. Yeah. Awesome. I'm like, Yay, please think that
of me. But what
did they figure out that you're actually on the ground floor?
Shut up, John. What was disturbing, though, is I was
moving remember that Friday, I was moving in and maybe you
don't remember. And but someone was parking in our spot in the
garage.
Let me get this straight. You. You say you were moving in?
Well, yeah, I was I was moving our suitcases from the hotel to
No, man, they were like, I'd like I didn't pack everything
up. So I just got some wardrobe boxes, I got myself a U haul,
you know, real American style. And, and someone had been
parking in our spot, of course, because the unit had been empty
for a while. So you know, people then just, you know, take up
your spot. It's kind of the American way. And so I put a
nice little note on it saying, hey, you know, we're moving in
as of today. And so you can't park here anymore. Smiley face
signed, Adam.
Yeah. Should have signed it Gino? Well, that they took a
picture of that. So they entered the garage, which you can just
enter and they took a picture of that and publish them as well.
Where you can if the door opens and you just walk in with
them. It's still I mean, that's that's kind of a violation, I
think.
Well, I'm actually amazed at what is I'm amazed at these guys
have that kind of you know that they're there. That they go that
far. I mean, it seems to me that these journalists are writers?
No, no, no, I would say these are not journalists.
I'm just saying but they they at least put some effort into and
they put as much effort into figuring out what was going on
with this swine flu vaccine.
Thank you,
don't you think it'd be would benefit the public? No offence
to you
know, I understand what you're saying? Chairs? Yeah,
you know, I mean, they've already got you all covered.
What difference? Does it make us have another picture of you or a
picture of a note? When you could be fine? If you're going
to put that much effort into it? I just don't get it. Well, I
mean, there's good stuff out there to be oh, you know, to be
dug up if you put a little work into it. And no, they'd rather
you look for somebody's you know, handwritten note, just a
drug. All right.
You're so right. In fact, I will say that in the 35 minutes of
preparation I do for the show, I get up around 630. I'll have
breakfast around seven 730, you know, quarter to eight. I'm kind
of prepping and I do all I have to do is just go through the
list of emails. And I know everything about the forced
vaccinations, the code read the CDC, us calling for and, of
course, the swine flu, which is going to kill us all. And I know
that in 35 minutes, these guys actually have to send someone to
San Francisco. 8000 kilometre journey.
It must be a string or out here. Does that die? No. You know
what, it's it's a little more frightening than that because,
of course, everyone today is a stringer. And anyone who has a
camera, anyone has a video camera, and we are being
followed constantly by people. It's a little annoying, I have
to say. Yeah. Well, you know, particularly for a woman alone
if Nikki's walking around on the street. She feels these guys
walking behind her, you know, and that she turns and she sees
him taking pictures of her you know, it's So now she could of
course beat the crap out of any guy. I'm pretty convinced. But
still, it's
it's. That's a shot you want to get though. Well, that's
the one we're going to have you take so that you can make some
real money. Yesterday we were taking pictures of me and four
burly men, hoisting a nine foot tabletop up over the balcony
and those are available for sale
to get a hold of me at the vortrag.org you
have a movie for you if you want to get
to those guys our cage fighters. Oh really? Yeah. And they have
cage matches some place on Folsom? They're gonna send me an
invite I'll go watch that I'll go watch a local cage.
Oh yeah, those are those guys well, they you know they seemed
like the typical nice guys who liked a fight
and it's always good for them to be my friends
again guys you want to have as friends in the bar Yeah,
fantastic. Yeah, I go to see a cage that local one that's
because that's you know these guys are obviously amateurs I
didn't know there was that many levels of cage fighting that you
would have the amateur era it
is and I think the only the only difference between professional
and amateur is you can't there's no headshots so you can kick and
punch into everything below the below the head the chin I
presume?
You know I did I mentioned this before I used to you know I saw
Wait a minute don't
tell me you were a cage fighter John. I was a kid
if that guy look exact one so
sorry. You do look like a cage fighter
washed up one. So when I was when they cage fighting with the
ultimate fighting it used to be called first began. They've
changed the rule so much that I think it's been somewhat watered
down. It began originally as some guy's idea to to test the
various martial arts
schools. It was supposed to be a combination right of karate kung
fu
No, actually, originally it wasn't it was supposed to be you
can put a karate guy a Brazilian karate guy up against a Korean
or you know, Korean karate guy or a Chinese karate guy. Yeah
against jujitsu guy against all these different schools. Oh,
that was better. I got you. Okay, it
makes sense. It started with no with no rules. In other words,
you could do whatever you wanted. And so a couple of
things happen. One of them is that the new no rules thing
turned out to be kind of problematic because what I saw
one of these matches people were like dying or weren't they? No,
it was more it was more like this. You get firstly find some
way to knock the guy down. And once you got him down, then you
get them in some position where you can just pound his balls as
hard as you can over and over and over again with all full
force and you guys down on his he's done it once he can't move
because it's paralysing. Oh man. And so this is what is it Orly
Kate ultimate. Finally, I'm watching this thing and I'm
going oh my god, what, what is this? And this guy, just pound
pound. Just given it to this guy. And of course, they stopped
imagine this guy couldn't get up for an hour, two hits the groyne
and you'll never have kids. And so they started to say, well,
maybe we should change some rules because more than one or
two guys started doing this because I think it's pretty
effective. Was the rule so that and so then then they then I
think this was maybe about 1999 or so they all of a sudden this
one guy came through the ranks not that I really follow it that
closely but it doesn't take it's not really a difficult sport to
follow. Some guy came through the ranks who was Greco Roman
wrestling is not really what they wanted for martial arts.
You know and but this guy will only once you got you down you
were doomed you there was nothing you could do because he
knew all these crazy moves that he gets in and then they always
ended up with a chokehold, which is a specific hole that that
that kind of chokes you know, cuts the blood supply to the
brain actually knocks you out. And
yeah, and that's the definition of choking.
Well, choking is a stop you from breathing, I think but it would
be just beside the point. The point is, is that there's a this
this Greco Roman guy was just beating everybody because you
know, the guy beat in this karate stance and he just died
for his legs. I goes down boom matches over. So they said you
know, this is
a little it's sort of guy started talking. The matches got
to be longer. Yeah, they
got really boring with this with this is Greco Roman guys and it
was like changing the whole idea of the martial arts mixed
martial arts MMA they like to call it and so then they changed
the rules again and now they got it so it's kind of you know,
it's fairly interesting, but you know, real fans of people beat
each other up still. Well, you know, boxing is really the great
sport
although the Ultimate Fighting is still alive and well in Japan
and the Tokyo Dome sells out and that thing is huge was the Tokyo
Dome like a 150,000 people can sit in that thing or Yeah, I
don't know what you could see from a distance like that. Well,
they have screens,
but it's huge. I know a couple of Dutch guys who who are
ultimate fighters and they make huge money going over there.
It's a real business if you'd like, get your nuts grabbed. And
anyway, so severely. Anyway, that's kind of it.
So yeah, but wow, there's so much news, John.
Yeah, no, we got a lot of emails this week, like lots. Yeah. And
I, you know, if we can even get to half of it today, it's going
to be a miracle. Well, first,
I'm sorry. Go ahead. What is your news?
I, you know, well, either. The two things that I find
interesting, or the most interesting are the labelling
requirements of the new greenhouse gas bill. And the
other one is, of course, the we have a lot of interesting
information about the swine flu vaccine, including an insider's
a little input from an insider.
There's one other thing because yesterday, there was some actual
news which covered up the Real News. I don't know if you even
heard it. But yesterday, US troops withdrew from all Iraqi
cities.
Was that yesterday, the day before? Yesterday, that
June 30. The media reported it sometime yesterday. But of
course, it covered up the Real News, John, which is that
British Petroleum and China have won the right I love that one
the right to develop Iraq's Ramallah oilfield. And that is
the the real news. I guess there was some kind of bidding. And
this oilfield May, according to Reuters, may yield $1.7 trillion
in profit over the next 20 years. Amazing. So I guess it
was about oil after all, you think?
So the that'd be actually a good sound clip. You think? So?
That's my ringtone. So, so the British Chinese deal goes
through and then we decide, okay, we can leave now.
I think it's probably orchestrated differently. Like,
why don't we make a big news report that we're all going to
leave. And on the same day, we'll give these rights to BP
and China.
I actually, the funny thing is, is that neither one of those
things came to the to the to the to that is what's
so amazing, is that, though because I heard this withdrawal,
I had a cab driver yesterday, who was the quintessential
pissed off San for me, this guy could be on cranky geeks. You
know, born and bred San Francisco. Really? disent
disenchanted with everything. He's like, Yeah, you know, our
country, you know, we go and kill people. And then he starts
mumbling about Yeah, well, you know, now we've withdrawn from
all the cities in Iraq. And like, really, I didn't know
that, you know, this guy's got his am radio on. Listen, all
kinds of reports. And I heard it from him. I didn't even hear it
on the quote, real news.
Yeah, well, you know, the right wingers are talking about it.
And there's on all their talk shows. And the thing that's
interesting was, there's a couple of theories about why the
main media didn't take bring it up a couple of notches, like
Britney Spears do something. No, it
was like there. You know, the mainstream media, which is what
it means street MSM MSMS em, they decided, you know, in some,
you know, the New York Times, of course, is is the is the leader
of the Colts he
would record Yes, of course. So I
decided that it was so embarrassing for Bush to stand
in front of that mission accomplished sign that they
didn't want to put Obama in a situation where I accomplished
it looked like he had done some of that he's going to be here,
they're gonna have to backtrack on
before before we get to the labelling and the swine flu and
the swine flu will probably take up quite a majority of the show.
Something happened yesterday, which I got a clip from C span.
And this is about the townhall meetings that President Obama is
doing. And of course I
shot I saw one of them. He's going from place to place to
place with these with this with his pitch. It's a sales pitch.
Right.
Right. Now of course our problem with these townhomes. By the
way, I've got a lot of kind of boomy echo in here. I apologise.
I got to set something up differently.
It doesn't sound that bad. Okay.
So what we've been harping on here on no agenda is that these
townhall meetings are completely set up the audience are all
shills, the questions are all pre produced. And, you know,
it's always about 13 questions, which fits perfectly in an hour.
I mean, it's not a town hall meeting. There's no one standing
up and saying, Hey, yo, dude, I don't I got a difference of
opinion here. So yesterday to reporters at a White House press
conference, start really late into Robert gives the White
House press secretary about exactly this. And one of the two
is Helen Thomas, which of course, you rarely hear her any
more at all. I think she's just been completely rubbish. She
still sits up front, but she's relegated to not speaking or
whatever, or they've threatened her with to to the head. You
know, I don't know what they've done, but you rarely hear her
anymore. And I just wanted to play a little bit of Robert
Gibbs and I'll give you the name of the of the reporter in a
second
today's town hall meeting. questions coming in on YouTube
and Twitter and such who decides what questions will be?
I think a group over at New Media is shuffling through
questions. I think if you go on, I did not do this today. But I
think if you go on our website, you'll see some of those
questions. And I think chip at the end of the day,
it's chip to know who chip is. Yeah, I've
seen him talk before I can't remember his last name. So he's
gonna
so first of all the answer Oh, they're the New Media Group. But
this is a town hall meeting. Right? And that is supposed to
be taking questions through email and Twitter. Yes, Twitter.
We take some let's be really hip. Let's take questions from
Twitter because that's really cool.
When you have you does that. Robert Gibbs has acaba that
boydell? Probably because? Because he's because he's
starting to watch coke probably check out his toy cat super
brief.
I think the questions
is probably because he has swine flu. That will be
read to the President. Obviously, he'll take some
questions from the audience there, I think will be a
representative sample of the issues in this debate that we're
dealing
and the audience is all pre selected, right. Now. See, now
I like that you said the audience is all pre select. You
can hear this Okay, John? Yeah, okay. You
know, we usually just generally hand out tickets on a first come
first served basis.
In this case, the people were invited either by the White
House or by the university.
Community College, as explained, if the university is feels very
tightly controlled, it feels I mean, the concept of a town
hall, I think, is to have an open public forum. And this
sounds like a very tightly controlled law. So
finally, there's someone saying, well, we've been saying for all
along, but now he's out. Here, he's in the hot seat next to
hell and Thomas. So you know, he's fuck now. All right.
Listen, listen to this gets good, though, because Gibbs
really starts to mess up.
And what's the questions? Why, why do it?
How about we do this? How about you, you can ask me that
question tomorrow, based on what questions were asked, rather
than pre selecting your question, based on?
He's such a douchebag. But by now, but it gets better, it gets
better
not come wide pre select, why not just open it up for people
and allow any question to come in? Well, I
chipped I think if you get on your computer, from your email
address, and have you send in your question,
I think that would be inappropriate. This was for the
public? Well,
I'm sorry, I'm confused. Are you not a member of the public?
Well, I
think if you were going to allow questions from the press, you'd
have us in a prominent position over there and allow us to ask
questions, you
get into the notion of where you'd be sitting. Next you
listen to all these other jabroni. He made a funny?
Yeah, that's the Podesta media. That's There you go. That's
the media reporting on The Real News, ladies and gentlemen, if
I let you ask a question, but shout it out. But you could
email
me you put my question. Well, I don't
think so. Maybe. Have you emailed? I mean, this is a,
you'd have an email. This is
an open forum for the public to ask questions, but it's not
really open. But it's not open based on what based on the
information that your staff gave us on how the audience and the
questions are being selected.
The questions are being selected by people that email on Facebook
and Twitter.
I love that email. This guy is so hip who email on Facebook and
Twitter. Hey, Gibbs, hello, 2009 calling dude.
They're not deciding what questions actually appreciate,
again, control. I appreciate, again, like his town meetings
all through the campaign. I appreciate
the question on your part. Yes, I think that's a very safe bet.
But again,
will there be dissenting views? I think that's a very safe bet.
Oh, he's sure. Of course, we'll have someone asked something
really controversial.
So how about we do this? I promise. We will interrupt the
APS tradition of asking the first question. I'll let you ask
me a question tomorrow as to whether you thought the
questions at the town hall meeting that the President
conducted in Annandale
here comes Helen here's her she's really laying into it.
Control
never had that in his White House.
Yeah, I was gonna say I'll let you amend her question amazed.
People who call for openness and transparency
Oh shit. Oh shit, what's happening?
You gotta look going. You got somebody aiming to your your
sheet love bundle and I fixed it you there.
Yeah.
Okay, let's I just want you to hear Helen, who by the way I
predict now will have a heart attack any day.
Even if there's a tough question, it's a question coming
from somebody who was invited onto a screen where the question
was screen,
chip, chip. Let's have this discussion at the conclusion of
the town hall meeting. How about that? Now which question is the
object to listen to? What's the pattern of controlling the
press? Yes, so is it any habit it's currently going on that I'm
controlling to print poorly on my package how so? Well, and the
ninth important challenge are going to be called
anyway, so you can watch the entire YouTube video. The links
will be in the show notes that no agenda mvno.com or career.com
or devora.org and I'm so happy to see Helen Thomas speak up and
she's it may not be really easy to hear but she's she's laying
into a man and she's pointing at him she's got that bony finger
and she saw
right before Well, she's been around forever so she would know
what this what the patterns are she I guess she's fed up. Yeah,
but she's been show but the rest of these people they apparently
aren't not they're probably just pleased as punch to be in the
room. Yeah, exactly. That a group of people we can be near
greatness. We can be near greatness. It's so wonderful.
Well, you know, the dam may be breaking me a lot of people
believe if you watch the TV pundits, there's a kind of a
meme going around that the that the press is dropping, you know,
they're dropped. Their gloves are off.
Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. The press is not really laying into him or
her.
And I think they may be premature on that because these
guys aren't going to put up with that crap. And so she's gonna be
too The problem is you know, she's so visible this is like
now they have real issues. You know, they're having immediate
you've been in meetings. Yes. The media goes like this. What
are we going to do about this old battle axe? I would just
move her to the back man just move her to the back. No, no,
no, no, let's MJ her. The weekend mover to the back
because everyone will notice we moved her to a back You
bonehead. Oh, we're gonna else can we do we're gonna give
her an MJ. Heart attack. Yeah, harsh. And by the way, I
apologise to Congressman Henry Waxman. Apparently, after our
berating he received on no agenda. He was admitted to the
hospital in Los Angeles after fainting in his district office.
He had the vapours. Ah, I have the
vapours. I don't feel too good. And Mr. DeVore, aka Mr. Curry.
They've been they've been slandering me. Ha don't feel too
well.
We need to revitalise that term the vapour vapours.
It means so many things on so many levels. I really like it.
The vapours that is a good one. There's a there's another great
video of Henry Waxman from the movie bigger, stronger, faster.
Have you ever seen that John? No, I don't think so. It's it's
about the baseball steroid hearings. And I'm tempted to
play a little bit of it just to hear what a bonehead it is not
karoku Ron's anymore for us right now. But let's just listen
to a little bit he's being interviewed about in his office
about about steroids and, and it's like, like, he doesn't know
he's being videotaped or something. But he just he keeps
he doesn't know anything. And he keeps stopping and asking
someone off camera if he's right.
They always tell you that if you have a problem, talk to your
Congressman. Lucky for me, my congressman is Henry Waxman.
Hey,
I'm fine. How are you? Well, this
is a satirical piece. Jon
Meacham Chris Bell, Jim. He's the one who called the baseball
hearings in the first place. He's got to have some answers.
I think it's important for sports figures in major league
sports not to be allowed to use steroids under any circumstance.
And for young people, we certainly don't want them to be
using it. So the drug is a restricted drug drug. It's not.
There's not a limit. Brian, is it illegal to use it? It's
illegal. It's legal under some circumstances.
Prescription so the guy is saying so this is the guy who
called for the actual steroid here and he doesn't even know if
steroids are legal or not. It Gets Better It
Gets most legal with a medical prescription. And the other drug
was the testosterone are just well, they're always in general.
I think that they're there. also bent should they already banned
in professional sports? Brian, am I right? Because if I'm
wrong, well, these these products are registered. Brian
is the congressman.
Wait, listen to what he says about alcohol on tobacco and
then
I'll stop it. Cigarettes and alcohol are legally available.
But not if you're under the age when I think the age is 18 for
both all around the country, is it 18 to 21 I'm getting
confused. So Strike that.
He doesn't even though the law is unbelievable. Any 16 year old
kid knows this.
No kidding. Come on. We went Brian for the congressman. Yeah,
Ryan, you run.
Brian knows what's going on. I had to remind you of a couple of
things. John, one was a quote on the streets. You want to hear
that? Are you? Oh, yeah. Set it up. Okay, so a little bit,
please.
You know, if anything is turned on already twice. You're talking
louder and louder. As the show goes on. You notice that you
always do that? It's funny. Yeah. So I'm while you're in the
stream, harder
of hearing as the show goes on.
What? What? So I'm hard of hearing because the speakers are
down to 10. Anyway. So the by the way, I'm not hard of hearing
for my for anybody. By the way, I want to recommend people out
there right now. wear ear protection. When I was a kid and
I worked in a sheet metal shop. The first thing I was told was
you had to take a salt tablets and wear ear protection, what
are the salt tablets for because you sweat a lot in these places,
and you have to take care of a salt tablet that makes sense.
Like a horse pickle would do the job,
you can just lay on his lick one of those horse things
that would work actually. Anyway. So the ear protects are
always worried ear protection. And because I worked in these
various factories, which of course no kid can do nowadays,
since we have none. But as always, that I carried that
through college through the era of various kinds of you know,
power trios and things like that. I always wore ear
protection. And I still do as a matter of fact, in in
California, people don't realise that every bar that has a band
has to have those little things you can shove in your ear behind
the bar free for the customers. Yeah. Now I know people who are
like, like heavy metal junkies, and they're like, in their 30s
Now, and then they can't hear anything and they shout when
they speak. Because you know, it's like when you have
headphones on you always talk too loud because you can't hear
yourself. Right. Right. And so I just telling everybody out
there, where are your protection. So now I'm walking
down the street and I'm as these two guys walking along. And this
is one of the weirdest non sequiturs I've ever heard came
out of one guy's mouth, and I'm just was so baffled by it. I
have to call Adam up to eat because I didn't have a panic
and write it down in my, I could have recorded it. But anyway, so
this
is only something you would hear in, in San Francisco or anywhere
near Silicon Valley. And I'm sure these guys were in Dockers.
The quote is, when you're trying to make money, it's almost
counterintuitive to be groundbreaking. I love it.
When you're trying to make money. It's almost
counterintuitive to be groundbreaking. What does that
mean? It has no meaning whatsoever.
I love it. Hey, before I got to hit you with some aviation news,
and I don't want to bore anyone you already said yesterday. Oh,
just don't bore anybody with your aviation news. So
of course I got only I'm only saying that because somebody
said that to me. Yeah, well
enough. And that's about me. So here's here's what, JJ so of
course, I got a lot of feedback. A lot of Twitter's people saying
hey, curry, Dude, you are wrong or what's going on? Because
after the most recent scare bus crash, we were supposed to have
a Boeing crash and the ongoing airliner wars which by the way
on Twitter is hash airliner wars if you want to tag it. And you
started a meme. Yes. And so Yemen, the Yemen crash was also
an Airbus. Now, I do want to point out that in between these
two incidents, and that's what we call them an aviation an
incident or a day wrecker. Bad Day. Boeing, of course, had to
delay the launch of their Dreamliner 787, which was
probably because of some form of sabotage. Now, you'll recall
that we discussed specifically regarding flight 447 This is the
one that was on those way from Brazil to Paris, that there was
a Reuters report about it was it Mexican Mexican airline that
these pilots saw a white flash at the exact moment that that
the old Contact was was lost with the with this Air France,
Airbus. And of course, I'm calling for more of this the
airliner wars maybe another test from outer space and that it was
nuked that, you know there's these electromagnetic pulse
weapons that are being used everywhere. Now a Dutch report,
a Dutch report a real Dutch real news report. Apparently there
was one girl, a 13 year old girl who survived this gaming crash.
And she said just before the plane crashed, there was a huge
electric shock inside the aircraft. So I really Yes, and I
can translate it on the fly the girl of the only survivor of the
of the crash on Tuesday. Her name is Bahia Bukhari says that
as the just before the plane went down, she felt a quote
electric shock. And then when she opened her eyes, she was in
the ocean in the dark and she hung on to a piece of wreckage
and she was fished out of the sea that the the French
authorities by the way believe there may be another child who
survived this crash that was probably picked up by a what are
the
many aircraft what were the French authorities have anything
to do with it? Because
it's a it's an Airbus and it was on its and it was on its way to
France? Are you kidding me? There were
French people on board. It was landing on that island, that
crazy island.
It was going the other way around? You know what I mean?
There were French people on board. That's why the French are
involved. And by the way, isn't it coincidental that both Airbus
scare bus crashes involve French people and French destinations
or departure points. And EAD s I believe is partially French, is
it not?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they are. So Hmm.
So there's something to this electromagnet magnetic pulse
weaponry. And there was another article that I believe you're
copied on, John. We're going to pull this up. Written by this is
from mid Midwest business. news.com. midden? I'm sorry, mid
Midwest. business.com, written by Carlini. Do you know this guy
Carlini?
No, I don't know. Well, no. Well, he
has this whole article, which I'm not going to read for you,
obviously. But you do need to take a look at it in the show
notes. And this is I'll just read a bit of it. Chicago, North
Korea doesn't have anything that could reach the US or do they
the threat of nuclear bombs is such a remote possibility today
that no one really thinks about it these days isn't really true.
Perhaps you should rethink that threat when you see how many
bombs could potentially come to your city. And it turns out that
Chicago was actually a prime target for I guess he's a local
Chicago writer. And here it is. There are people on the
conservative side saying the conservative side, I guess it
would be me, we better take heed of an attack of emp,
electromagnetic pulse weapons, these damaged power lines,
supervisory control and data acquisition control systems and
commercial computers that would very likely be permanent due to
fuse power lines and lost data. And as well, but he has this
whole article article about how easy it is what I've told you
this, you can look up on the internet, you will know
when we attacked Iraq, we use these weapons really is a weapon
that's common to the US military, right. And
it's not hard to make. I mean, there's there's instructions on
the internet. I'm not telling you to do that. But there's
instructions on the internet on how to make one of these. But
now it makes total sense why so many trillions of dollars are
being poured into the quote, upgrading of the grid.
Ah, right, possible. That's why the
smart grid has to come into play because it has to be protected
against an EMP.
Nobody wants to talk about that. Oh, of course not. There is no
other reason for the smart grid the way it is being described it
because we've discussed this before. By the way, somebody
says the stream is extremely loud, it's probably way to turn
my sound down.
It's I think I'm output Well, I think I'm outputting regular,
right? Nobody's complaining about it in terms of its
quality, so I'm not too concerned.
Well then turn your volume down. People who are complaining turn
down your
knowledge. She's doing it to everybody.
I'm sure in fact, I'm 10 DB louder at 10 DBS louder than
John so you can hear me better.
That's what that's what Leo likes to do. So
just because he's not in the country, you say that you pussy.
No, he's actually still here, but I don't think he's listening
to us. Although he does listen to the show. I caught him. Oh,
really? Busted. Oh, but anyway, so yeah, no, that would make
sense because that I'm going to talk to my I got some engineer
at Falken electric, the guys who make the UPS devices and then
Make a certain type of very high end type. And I'm going to ask
him about it. What do we have? What kind of device would we
need? This just a personal thing to protect our computers? If
there was an EMP pulse that was like blast, you know, pumped in
front,
even if we get something to protect the computers, the
internet will be down. I mean, will want lines will be fried
everywhere
do some writing, you know, in the dark?
Well, I'm always hopeful that as long as we could protect our
computers and our Wi Fi cards, we could create some form of wet
mesh network and could still kind of function. I'm pretty
sure
if I mess your way to some connection that that was hooked
to the net. I mean, it's not gonna be obviously that taken
out the whole net, you've taken out areas. Right. But yeah,
that's interesting. And I'll just add on to that way North
Korea is not doing anything, give me a break.
I don't think so either. I don't think so. I
will just add to that. bogeyman,
I will just add to the EMP that I am convinced that EMP were EMP
weaponry were used on 911.
Yeah, that's what you like to think. It's possible. I mean, it
but the point is, is that there is EMP we do use it. And they've
talked about they don't talk about in a lot of detail. But
when we attacked Iraq, and I think even during their first
war with Kuwait, we send these EMP weapons out which are sent
out near all the radar installations. And it blows them
out. Right? Yeah, just blows them out. They just fuses them.
So they don't work anymore. You don't even have to hit them. And
just, you know, but you don't know that they've done it. I
don't know what they did if they did it over the city or not. But
because I mean, I know they had a lot of trouble in the first
second Iraq war, to get the power back to people two weeks.
So maybe there was something going on there. But that of
course, is not. Not the biggest of our problems. The real
problem is the clear prospect of forced vaccinations coming down
the pipeline for this bullshit swine flu. And of course, the
vaccinations in combination with eating of ingesting of
genetically modified potatoes, ie french fries, from places
like McDonald's, that is truly going to kill most of us. And I
was talking with I was talking to Mickey about this last night.
This crazy theory, by the way, this theory is not yet does not
yet have the stamp of full approval.
No, no, but it's got half a stamp. It's got half a stamp.
And she says something very interesting. She said. So it's
the biggest problem on Earth. I love this woman, if the biggest
problem on Earth is, is overpopulation. So it gets it's
not really bad if we kill a whole bunch of them, right?
Yeah, let's not eat any French fries. Yeah, they're
Dutch in her. Totally. She meant so well. The Dutch. The Dutch
are they basically are essentially that way.
The Dutch are getting screwed the, you know, at first the
Minister of Finance vowed to her boss. Who is this guy you just
want to slap the guy when you see him? He's like, Oh, the
credit crunch and it's going to pass our country no problem.
Boom right bailout of Fortis boom bailout of ABN AMRO. I
think it was three or 4 trillion euros. And then it was like,
Okay, we're all done. We're all safe. We're all good. Now. Boom.
Another 2 trillion euros just yesterday lent to ABN AMRO. It's
just
people are going huh.
What's that? Meanwhile, in real news, Adam curry Patricia still
divorced. Yeah, it's a microcosm dude. It's a microcosm what
happens if fractal Thank you. It's exactly what it is.
And you happen to be part of it now because of your, your, your,
your, your I don't know what the word is domestic issues, or
whatever. There's a really good word that I can't come up with.
I'll come up with it for the next show. So anyway, so the
swine flu stories are all over the place and the one that
really got my attention this morning somebody sent in I don't
have in front of me, so I can't credit him. But I'll actually
blog it and credit him that might have it. The 600 million
doses of swine flu are needed for the US I'm looking at this
that's that's exactly what they're doing in every other
country to for each individual 300 million people two doses
forced vaccinations coming your way.
It's ridiculous. They're not gonna pull it they're not gonna
get away with it.
Well, do you mind if I play you a little piece of video from
this isn't official speaking on behalf let me just get her name
then I'll fast forward to the relevant bit because she
actually explains how the forced vaccinations will take place
what rights the US government already has, as of today to
enter your home to quarantine you and to give you a forced
vaccination. Are you interested John and hearing how that works?
I'd rather talk about Britney Spears. I'll play it.
This is Barbara loe, Fisher President National Vaccine
Information Centre which I'd never heard of before.
My name is Barbara loe Fisher and this is a vaccine commentary
brought to you by the National Vaccine Information Centre.
Could you just look that up, John, while
I'm playing this National Vaccine centre was it against
the
national OMA the national want to get it again?
My name is Barbara loe Fisher and this is a vaccine commentary
brought to you by the National Vaccine Information Centre,
the National Vaccine Information Centre. This is from June 17.
I'm just going to give you a little bit of the intro then
I'll fast forward to the good bits.
Today I want to talk about swine flu. Because every
high kids today I want to talk about swine flu bone surely in
Belgium is suitable for sale.
Okay, we're being warned by doctors at the World Health
Organisation and the US Centres for Disease Control, to worry a
lot about the new influenza A virus
when she does that. So Well worry a lot as she emphasises
that it's first identified
in Mexico in April 2009 and is being called the new swine flu.
It's the new swine flu, by the way, because swine flu already
existed many years ago.
Keep renaming it. Yeah.
It's called the novel swine flu, I think is what they call it,
which kind of cracked me up. Like yeah, novel. Indeed,
the World Health Organisation says that 76 countries have
reported more than 35,000 cases, right?
So first, it goes through a whole bunch of stats, and she
talks about all the scary stuff and how many people have died at
cetera, et cetera. But then she gets into the real meat of this
stuff,
is that there are signs people born before 1957 may be
naturally protected. Oh, John, you're safe and at lower risk of
being infected. Why?
Why? Because they're cranky Cox. Those who don't, he'll pitch the
bitch and moan and we'll take their vaccines as
influenza strains that circulated now caused by calls
by US health officials to give American children the first
dose, okay, okay. Okay, here it comes. Okay. Have been insisting
for the past few years, that every child from six months to
age 18 must get an annual flu shot. Second, there are now
caused by calls by US health officials to give American
children the first doses of experimental swine flu vaccines
in the school setting in the
school setting. Okay, I just want you to pay attention to
what she is saying here. So experimental flu vaccine in the
school setting, which means if your kid doesn't have a
vaccination, no school for no soup for you.
This is because the response by doctors at the World Health
Organisation who immediately went into high gear, within days
of identifying the new swine flu virus emerging out of Mexico,
declared a public health emergency. Now they have raised
the pandemic flu fear alert to phase six, which is the
equivalent of the US Homeland Security's code red warning.
Like that, can you believe that shit, this is the equivalent of
a code red. Code Red Code Red we have cherished Code Red.
Doctors at the CDC who followed the lead of the World Health
Organisation have done the same and are exercising unprecedented
power that can't listen to the power was handed over to them
after September 11 2001. Whenever the CDC now Claire's
declares a public health emergency, that declaration
allows the Food and Drug Administration to permit
emergency use authorization for drug companies to fast track
creation of experimental drugs and vaccines.
Okay, hold on a second. So first of all, the Food and Drug
Administration we know who has a brand new director, Peggy is her
nickname. She's the one who immediately discredited Zai cam
and and basically bankrupted that company, which is kind of
an organic type of thing that doesn't even work as far as I'm
concerned. John swears by it. So the Food and Drug Administration
now has unprecedented power to not only Fast Track vaccinations
being made, but listen to what else they can do.
Well, they said, go ahead. They said Fast Track experimental
drugs. Yeah,
listen, listen to what listen, I'm gonna just rewind it a
little bit. This just will freak out Food and
Drug Administration to permit emergency use authorization for
drug companies to fast track creation of experimental drugs
and vaccines that do not have to be tested as thoroughly as
vaccines that go through the normal FDA licence a process
which is already
so incredibly good, like Gardasil, which is killing young
girls.
In this case, Congress responded to the public health emergency
declaration by giving a group of drug companies $1 billion
dollars $2 billion as track experimental swine flu vaccines
that may include whole life or killed or genetically engineered
human and animal viruses.
Well genetically engineered whole What was what would she
say?
Genetically Engineered human and animal? Something here, viruses
that may include whole life or killed or whole live or killed
genetically engineered human and animal viruses, chemicals, and
potentially reactive oil based adjuvants that manipulate the
immune system to boost the vaccines potency.
Whoa, whoa. So this is a governmental directive. And I
know exactly which one it is, by the way, I'll tell you in a
second. So that's what that's just for the drug companies now.
How about the authorities? How about the federal rallies? Could
you please tell us a mark.
People who already have sensitive immune systems, such
as those with allergy and autoimmune disorders may be at
special risk
allergies, so that's why I came had to get kicked out. In some
states
like Massachusetts, public health doctors have persuaded
legislators to pass pandemic influenza legislation that will
allow state officials to enter homes and businesses without the
consent of occupants to investigate and quarantine
individuals without their consent, to require licenced
health care providers to give citizens vaccines.
There you go. There you go. Forced vaccinate vaccination,
they will bust your door down, quarantine you put a big X on
the door and give you a shot.
Make a clip of that prior where they can bust into your house.
Let's just hear it again. So people can make their own clip
here comes
that seems that may include whole life or killed or
genetically engineered human and animal viruses, chemicals, and
potentially reactive oral based adjuvants that literally
what a reactive oral based adjuvants
I have no idea.
I think we should look that up because I bet you that's the key
right there might be oral based adjuvants. I'll give you some
oral adjuvant baby
populate the immune system to boost the vaccines potency
manipulate the immune system
Whoa. People who already have sensitive immune systems, such
as those with allergy and autoimmune disorders may be at
special risk. In some states like Massachusetts, public
health doctors have persuaded legislators to pass pandemic
influenza legislation that will allow state officials to enter
homes and businesses without the consent of occupants to
investigate and quarantine individuals without their
consent to require licenced health care providers to give
citizens vaccines and a ban the free assembly of citizens in the
state it Oh, I missed that
the first time I didn't play it the first time I was holding
back I wanted to give you a little cherry on
top ban the what was that banned that fruit assembly? Assembly.
Assembly assembly Yeah, you can't you This is so
unconstitutional. Where is the media covering this
America? This is the We Are the media John, we are the media
covering this particular story. It's ridiculous.
It only has 50,000 Plus,
we can't say oh my gosh ban all assembly.
Yeah, here it comes want to hear it again? Because she's saying
it and she doesn't even have a huge rack to distract me
to give citizens vaccines and abandon the free assembly of
citizens in the state.
This isn't Massachusetts. Yeah. The people in Massachusetts were
Markey by the way as part of that stupid bill that Waxman
wrote you people in Massachusetts have got your
heads up your ass they have these people pushing you around
like this, Massachusetts, the fact that this would even happen
in Massachusetts and it's going to be obviously the country wide
is unbelievable. And I sent you a link from the National Vaccine
Information Centre, which is a which is and you should put it
in the show notes which is the vaccine harassment reporting
form. It's a questionnaire
let's see the personal identifiable information
collecting this questionnaire will be kept confidential.
Yes, that's why they want your photo
please provide the following contact information first name
last name street address views on vaccine so what is the point
of this? If you would
like if you're against it so they can isolate you and come
over and bust into your house and give it a shot? idea it's
the stupidest thing I've ever this whole thing is
Listen, please describe what happened in your own words in
the box below if you want what you describe in the box below to
be publicly posted on the cry for vaccine freedom wall on our
website. Please check yes. Oh my god. Oh my god. Hey bot botnet
dudes I know you're listening. Take this shit down and vi c.org
Immediately take this one down. It's got to go down. Must go
down. Want to hear more of this? You want to hear more of this
woman?
Shouldn't be Yeah, yeah, she's She says she's she's better than
a good comedian.
It is of course important for pandemic influenza vaccines to
be developed for voluntary use by by the
way, I hate to say it but you know who as to who's funding all
of this, this is all Al Gore's VC fund. They're funding all
these egg companies that are fast tracking vaccines, and I
can prove that
citizens. But what does this declaration of a public health
emergency in the US mean for you and your family? Well,
you're going to die. That's what it means. By the way, this is a
lot of this is under PD 51, which a lot of people talk about
presidential directive 51, of which some parts are actually
confidential kept top secret. So this this will be national is
not just Massachusetts, that's just a trial balloon to see if
anyone
CFDs people of Massachusetts have any balls whatsoever.
That's what it's there for. Exactly.
It means that right now, you need to become educated about
vaccination, influenza, vaccine risks, and the public health
laws in your state.
Oh, I'm interested, tell me more.
You need to find out what your rights and options are under new
public health laws that may require you and your children to
get vaccinated or be quarantined. Go to www.nvic.org.
That's the one you just mentioned. Oh, my God. They're
like, Hey, if you're really worried about it, go to this
website. Tell us who you are. So we can pick you out first and
put you in the containment areas known as the FEMA camps. Learn
more. Register now to attend the Fourth International Public
conference on vaccination October 234. This fall in
Washington DC Yeah,
let's not go there. So they can sprinkle RFID dust on you and
track your ass
and organising your state to protect your right to make
voluntary that you
know, John a year ago, way, way, way,
way back at play. Alright, I'm sorry
for this fall in Washington, DC, and help organising your state
to protect your right to make voluntary vaccination choices.
Call
yours, but what do you do for your right to make voluntary
vaccination choices? That kind of counters everything she said
before? Were they gonna force you to have the vaccine?
No, that's the whole point. John, don't you understand how
it works? So we're supposed to scare you? And then hey, you
know, before you get forced to do this, you might as well go
ahead and just get your vaccine now can ask yourself
that as you need us. Yes, that's
what it's about elected
to make public health laws that govern you and your family. Make
your voice heard. As the Department of Homeland Security
officials are declaring that any disease outbreak is a matter of
Homeland Security. US Department of Defence
Agency is a nightmare. Did you find out what this is by the way
what this Vaccine Information Centre is? Well that
nonprofit organisation in dic.org Ik have not figured out
looking at it who's paying for it somebody obviously. And so
no, I don't know yet. They're just gonna take maybe somebody
out there can do a little research. We can start with the
who is search and see who runs the thing in terms of the you
know, it's probably covered up by some, you know, one of these,
we got about 30 seconds left on the clip. Let's see if there's
any gems in here
demonstrations as, quote, low level terrorism.
What Hold on a second. What is low level terrorism
demonstrating
security officials are declaring that any disease outbreak is a
matter of Homeland Security. As Department of Defence officials
are defining public demonstrations as quote, low
level terrorism, as plans are being made to designate selected
US airports as quarantine centres through which all
aeroplanes would be rerouted for passenger health inspection. And
as fast tracked experimental pandemic flu vaccines are being
created to be given first to American children in schools. It
is time for all of us. Whether we are public health doctors
addressing what we believe to be a true public health emergency,
or whether we are ordinary citizens simply trying to
protect our health and the health of our children. It is up
to all of us to ash sounds
like a 1984 speech from a movie
Duck and Cover.
This is unbelievable.
Yeah, this is the Ministry of Truth.
This is the end of course, nobody's covering it. No, of
course not. Well, one is right up there not even dinner not
even trying to to hide any of their intentions. It's just
like, well, apparently nobody really cares what we do. So
let's just tell them what we're going to do and see what
happens. This is the old Green Bay Packers approach showing
what you're going to do and then do it.
Let's take a look at her at her bio.
Where she what's your what's your name?
Barbara loe Fisher. So she comes across as someone who is who is
against all of this, but I'm not buying it.
I'm not against anything. She's like a stooge or something
she's written while she's written vaccines, autism and
chronic inflammation from safety last to children first. Yeah,
I'm very worried about people like this. I really am
one of his same person does this food blog? I don't think so. No.
Anyway, anyway, so look into her. We'll look into it. Yeah,
but as best we can, but what else what is there to say other
than what she said,
Chris home and one of our producers did send me a another
interesting article from the New York Times, of course, the paper
of record. And I'll just read you the opening paragraph. Of
course, the link will be in the show notes. There's a new flu
virus going around. It initially looked quite lethal and caused
panic. Now it is clear that it has killed relatively few
victims and many of those have underlying conditions. It is
particularly dangerous to be the possessor of a pushed in nose
that is to be a Pekinese, a pug or Shih Tzu. It is the h3 and a
dog flu. Yeah, the dog flu the virus scientists believe jumped
from horses to dogs at least five years ago, but has never
infected a human yet. Yep. Last week, United States Department
of Agriculture announced that had approved the first vaccine
for it so let's let's get rid of all the dogs while we're at it.
Yeah, because the dogs will keep those guys from busting into
your house.
Exactly. Are you sending me links I have to look at? Oh,
yeah, you
can look at him and you're spiritually I don't want to
read that one. That'll get that'll get me to to the head
for sure. Arkansas State Health Department says mandatory
vaccinations are constitutional. Would you care to hear the call
that was made by Wait, wait, wait, wait, who
is this?
Arkansas State Health Department says mandatory This is a phone
call on the 17th of June to legal counsel at the Arkansas
State Health Department. It's it's a minute or two it's about
two or three minutes long. Well, hold on a second. It's loading.
It's one of those embedded video things that takes forever to
frickin load. Someone who's very smart, and it's almost like a
prank call when you hear it. When you hear the answers. It's
like huh.
I think we should all be make everybody out there. Start
Recording your conversations with all these people in charge,
call them up and ask them stupid questions and see what we can
get out of it really
have to let me reload this.
Would they shoot me if I don't take a shot? Yes, I'm afraid
they will. It's constitutional. We allowed to shoot people won't
take the shot. It is
and it's all under PD 51 It is completely constitutional.
Because you know, the President Bush did all this. He gave
himself these huge powers. Okay, it's loading. Here we go. Come
on. What is this Blip tv or something? Why does it take so
long? Crap.
So what else we get? What else? What else loading? Well,
we'll get back to that. What else do we have?
We have a guy who's working on showing it that you know, there.
Well, the taxation thing. Now that the guy who sent us the
insider information about how they're, you know, the way the
food is being manufactured, and they're making the buy, it's a
it's a company that's making the boxes, and how many they're
making by the millions that I mean, there's this is going
ahead as scheduled. Do you have the the email I think I have? A
you know, he's gonna send us some photos of some of them
beforehand. And so when we get up, we get more data, and we're
gonna probably talk about it more on Sunday. You know, we're
still here.
Yeah. And again, if you read in the Real News, Adam curry, John
C. Dvorak apparently shoot each other with two dash
over some feud.
We were really angry at each other.
Over a bagel at a restaurant. Oh, no psychopaths. This was the
oath. Wow, this was expected says so and so.
I couldn't lie to you. I can just see people doing interviews
like well, you know, Adam was kind of weird, you know, and
John is a weirdo. Yeah, John was clearly, you know, stuck in his
sub personality he couldn't get out of you know, they didn't
call him the cranky geek for nothing. I mean, hey, go figure.
Right. You know, of course, these guys would go and shoot
each other in the head. So by
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Is anywhere. I mean, you're definitely not gonna get in the
newspapers because they're part of the whatever's going on part
of the system. But this is like it's good information. I think
it's entertaining. Anyway, hold on, John.
Yes. And now back to real news. And of course, this is the stuff
you get in the mainstream media Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen
Nightmare just got worse as profits fall by 87%.
But that by the guy who is targeted, oh, dude. This is, by
the way, one of the reasons you want to be publicly supported by
people who are, you know, fellow travellers, and so far as they
want to hear the truth. That's why we do this, by the way,
don't have sponsors. I mean, Ramsey essentially was set to
put himself into a situation by running, you know, by putting
his father in law in charge of everything, and then screwing
over his father in law's daughter by having an affair
with somebody else. And that right, how does that happen? As
soon as that news got out? All hell broke loose. Gee, wonder
how that happens.
I think that the I think that phone call has been jacked or
hacked or something. It's not loading at all anymore. So okay,
well,
you want we can play it on Sunday, we can play it on so we
got more stuff to talk about this, this whole thing.
There was obviously, from a concern pilot, there's something
going on in aviation. And this link will also be in the show
notes that no agenda media.com for private aviation in the
United States, which is pretty much there's only half a million
private pilots. It's not a huge group of people. And of course,
we view our aircraft kind of like RVs, right. You know, you
get in your aeroplane you fly somewhere and you do whatever
you want to do. So now the rules are changing. Just a hair. John,
on the speakers, I'm really getting some slap back here. The
rules are changing. Where Gosh, everything is loading weird. Now
you know what they're on to me. If all of a sudden that
connection breaks, run over here and get this recording. Oh, no,
John, here. Okay. Yeah, we're back. Wow, wow, there's so on.
All of a sudden, everything is gone. And my router is going
down? I'm like, Okay. I think we got a little too close to the
truth there, Johnny. Boy.
Well, you did your last comment that I heard was the rules are
changing regarding that. By the way. I think when we get
interrupted like that, that I that particular interruption,
I'm absolutely convinced was part of it. When you tried
downloading that clip, yeah, you got you got sent to one of those
edge technology sites that can't deliver and it talks to the
router and sends it bad information and kills the
router. This is what I've been really
trying it again, just to see if they No, no, no, don't
try until we finish the show.
Are we on the air at all? We may be finished regardless, John,
like real finished, you and I finished done? It was I used to
had that. So tell me about this. So there's an edge type thing
that what do you say the most of these
two, most of the streaming technologies out there use one
form of edge technology or another to keep it which is not
appropriate necessarily for streams? Because what happens is
the you know, it's like Occupy, for example, has, you know,
you're not when you're talking to one of the sites that's using
occupy stated this is mostly for foreign users, you know, you you
get to talk to the edge of the internet rather than to the site
itself. And it seems to give you a better response time and
people stay on the site longer and all these other things. The
problem is, is that some of these technologies, and there's
lots of them, are using newer protocols that aren't recognised
necessarily by some routers. And so your router gets one of these
things to say, well, I want you to do silver bullet. Yes, it
says okay, well give me that. Give me there. What do you think
here's your here's, here's a, here's a TED send me this act,
you know, to this, and then it will be on our way and the
router says, I don't know what you're talking about.
And then oops, I just got to freak out. Well, here right
here, I have that call. I have that call loading
blocks to router out and then the next thing you know, if you
don't end it just screws you over. It's unbelievable. We'll
do the aviation stuff on on Sunday. I just want to play this
call because it's just so outrageously Cool. Okay. There
we go. So again, this is a phone call to the Arkansas State
Health Department.
We're waiting for someone to pick up at the Arkansas
Department of Health legal counsel regarding forced
vaccination.
Robert myopia. Hi, Mr. Beck. Yes, sir.
Oh, hi. I was given your number by Alicia I had some questions.
I left a message I think
by the way, the way they got this guy does it perfectly well.
You got to sound like a like a dipshit when you do these calls
called Friday
after message but just that I'd call you back. I'm looking into
the the vaccination refusal forms. And I'm trying to find
out what the I talked to a lawyer and it's It seems that
that is an application for a waiver. Is that correct? Do you
know about these forms?
Well, I don't know that it's an application for a waiver, the
waiver will be granted if you just fill it out correctly.
Okay, yeah. But it's basically, it's not on the website. So I
have to call in to get it sent to me. And then the way it
reads, if you read it, it says, I then fill it out, but and then
I send it in as a request for the waiver. And I'm not quite
understanding that. That's what
I think what you're saying it will always be valid, if you've
done it correctly. And if it's done, I'll give you a little
history on please.
Sure. If you got if you got time, I'd like to hear it
because you're getting some feedback that
like it's cumbersome, or it shouldn't be that difficult.
What happened prior to the passage of that law, which I
believe took went into effect in 2003. Prior to that, the only
exemptions that were available in Arkansas, were religious
exemption. That was very constricted as far as who it
applied to. And you could have a medical exemption.
This is a big deal, actually. Because if you do not want to
take if you don't want to be forced with any type of
vaccination, it's true that in most states, you could only get
it on religious grounds or medical grounds. And it's
apparently it's gotten very difficult and
people could get that you're talking for children? Yes. Okay.
Well, I'm talking for adults to hear well, it's not just limited
to children didn't matter. I
mean, as far as the site, it's the same thing, though.
Well, no, I can. I can refuse a vaccination whenever I want. I
mean, I assume
you're Are you going into college? Or is this what you're
asking? Or what's the No, I'm
concerned about mandatory vaccinations for the swine flu.
Well, there is no mandatory vaccination for the swine flu.
Well, if you read the CDC read that differently, I'm afraid.
Oh, nothing.
There couldn't be in the future.
Exactly. That's my point. Nothing.
This is a lawyer he's talking to well,
and that's very, I mean, that's constitutional. There's no doubt
about
well, there are a lot of things that constitutional that are
being done right now. So did you just hear
that? He said it's constitutional? Yeah. Well,
where's
it in the Constitution about vaccines? See, it's odd.
This is law that goes back. 100 years?
Whoa, John, please get the Constitution it goes back 100
years.
Vaccine vaccinations are, they're illegal and they're on
the Supreme Court. There's no doubt about it,
that you're saying there's explanations can be made
mandatory? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay.
Because you're not only endangering, it's not as if, if
you refuse a vaccine, it's only going to affect you. So could
affect everyone that you come in contact with?
Well, that's, that's an insane way to look at it from where I'm
from the perspective that I'm coming from. Because what
perspective are you looking at it from? Well, I'm wondering why
the Baxter issue has not been put in as part of this paperwork
here. Where it shows, you know, research on you know, what a
vaccine Baxter issue? I'm not sure what that is. That's the
one more they had avian flu virus in the flu vaccine. I
don't know about inside 18 different countries. Some, some
people tested it on some we need
more calls like this, John, this is the kind of stuff our
audience should be doing. This is fantastic. This is this is
just fabulous stuff a little bit more. I mean, it's long. We
can't
play another minute. I'm liking it
animals before they administered it and caught it.
Well, I mean, it's obvious security opposed to vaccines,
but I mean for Yeah,
and we've got your number we're coming. Did you hear a knock at
the door? You better open it because we're going to get you
I have the choice. I am an American.
Surely you're aware of the great advances in the lives that have
been saved due to the VAX? Oh, we've
saved so many lives due to vaccine.
Oh, no, not at all. Actually, that's a misnomer. The
eradication
of smallpox didn't doesn't why not?
I'm not I'm more interested in more recent things like but I'm
not I'm not trying to get into
flu is not smallpox.
Oh my goodness. This is this is how they do it. Well, dude, are
you against polio, now you're against polio. You want everyone
to have polio,
do it protect myself, if you understand
and I'm trying to do is get to see exactly where you stand. I
mean, you do. American and
I I have a legal right to make my own decision. Whether or not
somebody sticks in You and me?
Well, not not wanting to not true people.
I'm sorry. That's not true. No. You gotta be kidding me. No, you
can really believe that. As a lawyer, you believe that I don't
have the right to deny a vaccination? Absolutely. That's
quite an interesting concept. And you're I don't know what I
don't know why.
what's your what's your problem? Son? You got something to hide?
Maybe we should drop on by Alou? I
don't know why I'm having a problem with it. No, okay. The
law is, have you heard of autism? The Supreme Court
made it very clear. And they've it's been made clear several
times that there's no doubt about it.
Is that true? John has the Supreme Court made this very
clear.
That's what I'm why you're doing this. I'm looking trying to find
that on the on the web, I can find nothing. And maybe some of
our listeners will over the next few days can find the Supreme
Court case that that makes flu vaccines mandatory at the
request of the GM, I'm not seeing it, I'm not fine.
And you should look at presidential directive 51. That
seems to be the big one that everyone's talking about that
it's all it's all in there. So if you want to hear more of
that, elicit in the show notes and listen to the whole thing.
And I would like to say I was asked you know, we pretty much
so of course this show brings no money in the kitty for me. VO
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