Well Hi everybody. Welcome once again it is the show that has no
commercials, no jingles, no songs, no plot, no year end wrap
up lists, no talent. And most of all, no agenda. I'm coming to
you from the curry manor in a chilly United Kingdom. I'm Adam
curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak up here in the rainy Northern
California. And it's actually kind of cold here too. I think
it's 40
I've got the coal burned in my friend. And it smells
cold for us.
No. All right. So I hope you had a nice Christmas.
Yeah, I went up to Washington State where it was really
miserable. And spent two days up there and now I'm down here.
Excellent. I will we stayed at home and actually just got back
at Saturday by the way the the 29th It's 8:05pm in the UK
12:05pm in California. And yesterday we went over to the
Netherlands and just to have dinner basically with my sister
about the both of my sisters their significant others and and
the kids. And so we just got back and I remember ready to get
this New Year's thing over with already.
So what would you eat?
This place called a veranda, which actually I have a better
dinner story, although this was fun, but this was kind of a
place where the kids could run around. Yeah, they're like,
between ages seven and 10. So you know, it's like, we didn't
go to an overly posh place. I did. However, with Christina and
Patricia and Christina is boyfriend du jour, Jake. We went
to Clifton house you familiar with Clifton? Oh, yeah. Okay, so
we went there. And we had because we've patrician I've
stayed there before. And we went to have dinner. And I was
already I was like, Okay, I'm going to order a really awesome
bottle of wine. Because I know Patricia will be she'll be into
it. And, you know, I was sure I could you know, between the two
of us, I could probably do a bottle of wine. I was really
going to get a good one. And I'm looking at, at the at the what
do you call it the wine menu, the wine list?
It's the wine list. And I think if I'm not mistaken, that place
has one that looks like the Manhattan phone director. It's
amazing. And I saw it and was 1953 Latour and I'm like, Yeah,
I'm gonna go for this baby.
Can I guess the price? Can I get the price? Yeah,
sure. Sure. Sure. Now you have I know the pound price. So you
know, your currency. In pounds, I
guess it in pounds. Now England and in America, in the United
States, I think we would probably that wine would be
around 53 litre would be around probably around $7,500. Now, I
would think that in England, because they're closer to the
source and they collect those wines. broadly across those
kinds of restaurants. I'm thinking that wine might be
priced as low as 3000 pounds.
And actually, there were a couple of tours the there were
two different ones from 53. And one of them was 30 401 of them
was 2400. So you're awfully, awfully close. In fact, right. I
was right in the middle. Yeah, right in the middle. But
needless to say, Patricia, like, Man, I really don't feel like
wine tonight. And what do you do is like, Yeah, I'm like, I'm not
gonna drink a whole bottle of wine. What do you say? No, no
problem. I know. But you know, tell us give me a doggie bag and
I'll take it home with me. I don't want to just drink it by
myself. So I didn't do it. And I know it sounds incredibly
bourgeois or what is the word I'm looking for? You know, we're
talking about a 7000. decadent? Ah, yes, thank you. We're
talking about a $7,000 bottle of wine, but it really was going to
be my gift to myself. And didn't happen. Yeah, yeah.
You could probably track that wind down on the open market.
$4,000. Maybe really? Wow. Yeah.
Well, let's do that bucket when I come to San Francisco. Let's
track one down, Johnny Boy.
Well, you know, I don't know if there's any and there probably
is some I mean, it's possible. I mean, the 53 has got to be
fading metal, although it's probably pretty tasty. I would
you know, if you could get a 59 or 61 You'd probably have the
same quality a little cheaper and fresher.
It actually seemed like they had a lot of 95 wines that that seem
to be very popular on the list.
95 is Dwayne's Bordeaux's or 95 board a I'm sure people are
they're rolling their eyes, but I'll tell you, you know, you
might as well listen for a minute that I Nephi Bordeaux's
right now are 12 years old, which puts him right at the
moment where you should be drinking starting to drink.
We're still gonna have their fruit they're gonna be
absolutely delicious.
That's why well, I probably should have gone for one of
those because they were significantly cheaper. Oh,
yeah. Compared to $7,000. Then once you get past these, you
know old collectibles they actually would run They're just
keep them in the place. So they can say they have them there.
They don't really want people buying them, although they're
not going to refuse the sale. I guarantee you that
no, and I was kind of looking forward to getting into it with
the sommelier. But anyway, for another time, man over the hill,
of course, you know, the news that that we certainly were
talking about over over dinner last night was Bhutto's
assassination in Pakistan. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, what
it was yesterday.
Yeah. I mean, is it just me or not hold on a second, let me
they got to switch Echelon on, so they can capture all this.
But this has CIA written all over it, John. I mean, we're a
month away from an election. We've got Musharraf, who was
totally our bitch, because, you know, we've sent him billions of
dollars. You know, and it's part like, remove all problems and
part message I think to him see, that seems like a cookie cutter
CIA deal.
I really, that just doesn't that wouldn't. That actually makes no
sense to me at all. I don't see the CIA even, you know, I think
they, they're probably freaked about it, to be honest about I
don't think they need that kind of accusation, because I just
don't see him doing I think it was it was either the radicals.
There's countries filled with maniac. No, no. I mean, who
actually they would love that they would love to hear there's
two birds with one stone by killing her when it gets rid of
her. And who they didn't like, anyway, because she's not she's
not further radicals. And it also makes it look like
Musharraf. So bad guy, so that gets rid of him, and they can
get this country to where they want it, which is to be a
curious state.
Let me just let me just let me just back up, first of all, just
so the listeners understand, I'm not saying you know, there's
like a CIA guy with dark glasses, who's in between the
masses, and then you know, all of a sudden, the with a scope
takes this takes this woman out. Obviously, it was a radical
thinking person of some sort. And, you know, that's how it
always works. It's always either a bodyguard or you know, someone
close close to the person. Yeah, yeah.
But I don't see what the benefit of her getting assassinated is
to the United States.
I think it's it's a catalyst for the United States to go in and
take control it does border on Iraq,
can't even take control of Iraq. I mean, we don't need that
aggravation. But
think of but no, of course, we don't need it. But think but
think about the strategy may be behind it. You know, it could be
Oh, we'll just move some guys over here. I mean, Pakistan has
a lot to offer as well, you know.
All right. Well, if you if we put some, I mean, we already
have some people over there, but if we did, well, it definitely
destabilise the area. But I don't think we want that. I
mean, they have a bomb, we have to be leery of. I mean, it's at
the centre know that, and I will let you shake out. But I think I
still think it was an internal project that was I don't think
we have zipped to do with it, to be honest about it. Well, then,
let me at least that's my thinking. And I'm also looking
at our news media, which isn't covering it very well. And I
don't see the implications of it. Yeah, I know, it's pathetic.
And let me just step back and say that, to me, it was it was
really shocking. You know, I've been following this woman, you
know, obviously, she's been on television in the UK quite a bit
in the past few years, because she lived here in exile. So I've
always watched with interest also, because she's just a
stunningly stunning woman to look at. And the travesty you
know, of, of killing this beautiful creature just that
that also just struck me you know, when it's like guys
wearing military uniforms and shit doesn't doesn't hurt me. It
doesn't affect me that much. But this, I was like, crap, man,
this is fucked up.
I think she knew she was gonna get killed. There was something
up there was some nice holistic thing going on with her. I mean,
they tried to blow her up. What a month ago.
Yeah. 160 people died during that. And now there's, this was
the latest news that came in the now there's, you know, a cover
up. Let me just bring up the story. And Islamic militant
groups had Saturday had had no link to Bhutto's killing and the
opposition leaders aides accused the government of a cover up
disputing the official account of her death. So you know,
they're saying, well, she wasn't you know, she hit her head. And
you know, she bumped against something and it wasn't
assassination. This is all messed up. That's,
well mucked up. Too bad scene.
We got a comment from someone about journalists are listed our
listener listener. Yeah, listener called in. And I guess
we were talking on one of the earlier episodes about, about
journalism and headlines and how totally lame journalism is.
Yeah, in general. We do that a lot. Yeah. So check this out.
Hey, Adam. David, again from Williamsport wanted to touch
base with you.
You can hear that right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good.
I heard you talking about advertising. And journalists,
rather. Journalists, I guess with the have John C. Dvorak on
no agenda. And you're talking about headlines. But you get a
kick out of it was the post. After I turn her died, the
headline read by Turner, the Tina, Judah. Just kind of
thought that was amusing and thought. Did you catch that?
And what was that all about?
He said, You know, it says we liked headlines. The headline in
the New York Post was Ike Turner beats Tina to death
what was the basic what what and how did they twist that into the
reality of the story? How long what was the story? Hold
on a second. What was the story? That story? The story that Ike
Turner died?
Yeah, I turned her well. I mean, aren't they? I'm not getting a
There's a joke in here but I don't get it. Oh beats are to
beat shorts.
Meanwhile, Skype is like crap crapping out and you're coming
through like, you know, barely coming through on the wireless
and you're not getting this joke is the lamest part of the show
ever.
It's pretty bad. Like get the joke now. Okay. Yeah, that's
very, that's very cute. Actually. It's just, you know,
sometimes I'm not as sharp as I should be.
No, no, I'm actually sorry, I brought it up.
You should be you're humiliated me. But it's funny. It's good
joke.
I heard you. Even though we're not doing any wrap up lists or
whatever. You know, there's I just wanted to throw something
out there. There's all this talk about a lightweight Apple device
that is apparently coming at the new the upcoming Macworld in
January.
That's what they believe. Let you know more. Yes, I do.
And I don't know if I mentioned this to you. It will be a
lightweight device. It will be flash based. It will be a tablet
like device. But I think the most important thing is Apple
apparently hold some really important patent on on pen base
computing. And they have something called the likelihood.
Yeah, so do you recall a product the light pen? And I think it
was probably vaguely,
some Yeah, there. What? Right, right. There was something cool.
Yeah. In fact, I remember I've read that know, the guy who that
device has been around for a while. And I actually met the
guy who invented it. What did it do years ago? What
did the light pen do?
Somehow, if I'm not mistaken, if it's the same device I'm
thinking of, you could use it on the screen. Without having a
special screen, it would read the pixels and figure out where
it was and be able to do like, yeah, that's
it. That's it. So that's the patent that they Wacom
tablet. Right. They probably bought this guy's technology
then or they go he works for him. I'm not sure.
Well, I think it was theirs. It was Apple's and they patented it
back in the Newton days. And although clearly it wasn't
working on the Newton, but so the word is that, you know, it's
going to be you know, they're going to reintroduce this this
light pen or this, this this particular technology with this
new device, and that is what's supposed to be coming. So just
wanted to throw that out there because I haven't heard anyone
mentioned that. And I thought that maybe I have something.
Maybe Apple can buy us and shut us down.
There you go. That would be good. I'm game for that.
Let me just check. So hold on one second. I have a feeling
that my my wife is watching YouTube videos. Hold on. Can you
just hold on for one second? Let me let me check.
So there's a very so anyway, there's a very interesting story
here in the US that people should fall in and we have a
thing on the blog called a police state news bulletin. And
this is the more interesting one. This is the most
interesting one recently. It looks like in a park in
Columbus, Ohio, the police decided to take one of their
officers and strip her naked and she was they put her in the park
to see what kind of perverts they could lure.
Is there a picture?
There's kind of a blurry picture you can see. It's nothing. If
she looks like just a naked girl in the park, you know, that'd be
found in the Berkeley area. I mean, this is like the centre
know how they do it here. But anyway, so they used to have
these naked citizens in Berkeley, and they still do
them. It's horrible. By the way, it's like something you don't
ever want to see. It's just a lot of naked misshapen people
and you just shaking your cringy actually, you get your like have
you have to shake for about a week after you've witnessed
this. Anyway, so this woman was there and some guy who happened
to be a firefighter goes over there and he says, you know,
this is what would make a girl in the Parkers. Interesting. So
he goes over to search chatting with her and then she starts you
know doing everything she sort of fondling and she puts her
legs on him and she's you know, flirt and and she she, you know
says what so what do you got inside there big boy kind of
thing and so he self
was there camera? I mean, what was this like a reality show
they have to? Yeah, no, it wasn't a reality show it was it
wasn't that crazy, you know NBC? Yeah, it was simple. But they
can they do have videoed, and it's available, you can link to
it from the original site. And the so they arrest this guy for,
you know, I've never you know, because he's obviously much you,
you know, if you're if you're heterosexual male attracted to a
naked girl, you are obviously for whoever you're a pervert.
And so they found and he's a firefighter, which is really too
bad. Especially if he went they weren't, they found him guilty.
And they couldn't do anything about the entrapment laws or
anything like that. And some people in my blog pointed out
that some of the entrapment laws have actually been circumvented
by new legislation that's been slipped in where it's legal to
do anything. Oh, of course. So. And meanwhile, stories on top of
the story that's even more ludicrous, which is, tops.
patrol the subway system are leaving objects laying around,
like a wallet, or an iPod. And if somebody picks one of these
things up, boom, you get it. You get it for whatever, I'm not
even sure what the crime is. But they figure it's a crime. And so
they've arrested over 300 citizens who just pick stuff up
even though in New York, there's a law that says, if you find
something valuable you have you have 10 days to turn it in. They
don't care. They just arrested him anyway, because this is one
way to get your numbers up. Oh, man. So I'm thinking now, when
did this a lot of this you could blame on the fact that cops
don't deal with real crimes like the I think it's three? Or it's
either three or nine and maybe it's 9000 I actually have a
number here. There's
a John, John. John, hold on, hold on, hold on one second. I'm
gonna call you back. This is fucked up Skype. I'll call you
right back. All right, let's see if this is better.
Well, that was new.
It was it was so bad. And your story was sounded really good.
And I can make
this time when you call the Skype thing came up as a
transparent little bar.
Right. Right. Right. Like like a like a like a Mac thing. Almost
an overlay? I've never seen that. Oh, no, no, it's cool.
It's when you got Skype open that it does that. On the TC
so anyway.
Right. So this so basically, citizens are being entrapped by
the cops for crazy as shit.
Yeah, because it seems like the thing to do of course, this poor
guy now is going to be a sex crime guy for ever. And
I'm sure I'll be seeing him at secondary screening.
You Yeah, well, you haven't had to go through that for a while.
Well, the 15th I'm coming to New York. I can't wait it's gonna be
fun. Should I record try and record my entry into the United
States? Where am I really looking for for trouble?
You didn't know you're looking for job because they won't let
you even take a picture. Because they think you know the idea
they get the the idea that the only reason to be doing doing
that is because you to give the information to the terrorists on
how the system works. So you can't do anything right so
forget it. I mean, you might you know, if you could get some you
know, if you can get something like a accidental recording, you
know, something that's pocketable.
By the way, if you if you like the conversations that John and
I have about this stuff, then you have to You must stop as
1959 You must stop this bill from passing. This is the
thought Crimes Bill, John.
Right. 1959 That's a good year for that electric board, by the
way. Anyway, there's night. And there's currently 9000 unsolved
murders in New York. But they're they're doing all this stuff
with, you know, with the phoney baloney last iPods. So anyway,
so I'm thinking about how this whole entrapment thing works.
And I realised, you know that there's an entrapment mentality,
and that permeates the American society in such a way and I'm
not sure what work stems from it if it's not from laziness.
Because, and I'm not sure what cause and effect whether it's
started with American football, or whether American football
reflects it and let me explain. I was talking this over with
somebody the other day about how they, the scoring in American
football has become ridiculously high, like defensive, can't do
anything. They used to be able to bump into the receiver for
example, all along the way. They used to be called a bump and in
fact, most things are made illegal in football to increase
the scoring but the more interesting thing is, and it's
become a plan play, and I consider it a form of
entrapment, which is a play called pass interference. And
what these guys look for it says situation, especially at the end
of the game, they'll, the quarterback will drop back and
we'll have the ball as far as he can, at some receiver, whether
he the guy could catch the ball or not some mystery. But the
receiver has maybe stops in his tracks, or he looks like he's
going to catch the world of fake out the defender and the
defender touches him, and they throw a flag. And now the ball
now it's called passing or interference, the ball is
placed, the ball is placed at that spot, which means it's like
a 5060 yard penalty in some instances, which is ridiculous.
In college, it's only 15 yards, and then they pick a field and
the hole will then kick a field go, they can get it, sometimes
they get a touchdown, they sometimes get the bone to your
Arline, there's a lot of possibilities here. But the fact
of the matter is, there are plays that are designed to
elicit pass interference. And this is to me a form of
entrapment. And it seemed like a good idea at the time. And I'm
sure that these cops think that is great, because you know
they're getting would be there. It's almost like pre crime,
they're looking for people who haven't really done anything.
And then they figure well, if they do this, if they go up to
the naked girl, they probably wouldn't do something if they
were you know, this if there was but again, isn't this a
victimless crime anyway, so the whole thing is a joke. Well,
also,
that's interesting. It's, you see a lot of this type of
behaviour on the internet. I mean, isn't that exactly what
people do when they're flaming? And they're saying, you know,
they're calling you out on your words on your blog post? And
isn't that almost some form of cultural behaviour? Where we're
always looking to catch someone saying something or being evil
or it just feels like I'm there's a lot of that around?
Yeah, what's it come from, though? I mean, is it always
been like this? I mean,
dissatisfaction is it's projecting your own
dissatisfaction, your own throwing your own baggage. It's
someone else's way. I mean, that's, I think that's pretty
human.
What happens engaging in it to such an extreme where they're
doing these crazy, these aren't even interesting stings? Well, I
mean, getting some guidance to say hello to a naked girl is not
the same as like bustin somebody for a big drug deal. Okay,
follow
my logic for a second, follow my logic. So, the normal Joe on the
internet, who, you know, will get pissed off, and it's
everybody, okay? You get pissed off at something somebody so
wrote, or if you disagree, or there's a nuance in language,
what do you mean by the word is, you know, that kind of stuff.
And you start flaming and start posting, and you do it because
you're frustrated about many other things in real life that
had nothing to do with the topic. You know, people just
frustrated because I think people in general are pretty
frustrated about their lives. Now, I believe the cops are
frustrated. There's probably a lot of shit going on there that
we know nothing about, by the way, you know, here comes Mr.
Conspiracy. There's a lot of talk about the cops and the New
York City Fire Department. And since we're talking about New
York City, they really know a lot more about 911. And, you
know, then they're, you know, obviously these guys have a
code, a code and a cone of silence and probably no one will
crack on it. But you know, keeping stuff inside like that
there's a lot that's shit that hasn't been dealt with man.
There's a lot going on there. So maybe they're just frustrated
and they start doing stupid shit like everyone else does when
they're trolling the internet and talking stupid shit
well, maybe
I'll take that a John C. Dvorak. Maybe. Yes. Finally a theory he
might be just maybe by and large mining buy into
and talking about by and large. So I start so I did some
research. And let me go get my little sheet of paper Hang on a
second. You put this on pause for one second?
Yeah, no problem. I'd love to this is interesting. We can just
record a show like this during the week and just record little
bits and then put it on pause and put it all together. Note to
self that not a bad idea. Now, you were listening. Okay, I'm
recording I heard
you. Okay, cool. Okay. So okay, got the by and large thing. So I
decided to look at start looking it up and one of the things that
you can do and I know it's you know, with the definition fact
they'll see if I can find that the definition but the nautical
definition which is you know, the talking about how they you
know, it's a ship term and by you know, it's when you have the
wind kind of at you and you have to sail by the wind and then if
you got it
What the fuck are you talking about?
We're talking about by and large, nautical transit ships
are sailing term, oh. And by means you're going against the
wind, you have to go by that when you have to go back and
forth. You're using the wind, the other one is large when
you're sailing large, the winds right behind you throw the big,
big sheets up and you just suck it all in and going as fast as
you can in one direction. Okay, so that's
basically it's in both cases by and large,
right, both cases, and which is kind of where it stems from. But
anyway, so I've tracked a shot. So I decided to go there's, you
know, Microsoft has one of the best set at some public domain
books. You know, while Google has been scanning books and
getting a lot of bad publicity for it, Microsoft's been doing
the same thing, because we all know that whatever Google does,
Microsoft does. Because yeah, where's the rimshot? Anyway, so,
so Microsoft, and I'm gonna blog this with credit to the guy who,
there we go, I blog this with credit to the guy who sent me
the original email. I just don't have them in front of me right
now. But he sent me a definition, which I'll put in
there. And then so I said, Well, let me look into the old books
that Microsoft has scanned from using mostly many of these books
from the University of California and UCLA libraries,
which are enormous collections. And so I was able to track the
word usage back to as far as eight the furthest back I got,
was used to like by and large was used a lot in the 1918 1915
era, a lot. I mean, they just keep cropping up all over the
place. But I traced it back to two first, I got a good one and
an 1890 book, which was a glossary if you're on page 95,
it says that by and large is a term meaning kind of you know,
like this and that you know, in most cases in all cases, that
can anybody but the kicker was, but this guy is December 2018 90
entry. He says the term was used among rustic people thought was
rusted personally. Yeah, rustic means you know, idiots. Oh, so
anyway.
Right. Okay, there Nydia,
perfect. There's an idiot. But anyway, but I took it back and I
the furthest I could find usage of the word was in a in a book
called Iowa and the rebellion. And it was used by the author of
that book in 1866. And he said by it, he said By and large, and
then I thought I found an 1847 reference, but the date was
actually mismanaged by Microsoft, it was actually
January 1926. So that didn't count. But anyway, so I've
gotten it as far back as 1866. And that so I don't, so it'll
probably be impossible to figure out who popularised it. Because
it's just, I think it's lost to history,
but we should clearly stop using that term.
One that you want to consider yourself a rustic. Anyway, so
that's this as far as I've gotten. So the quest continues
to Illinois. Me. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it'll trigger some guys
who you know, have the better.
You know, Georgia. I gotta tell you that this get the Skype guys
on the phone. sucks ass.
Yeah, sometimes it's the time we're talking.
And now you're really cutting in and out. I mean, when you hear
it, you'll be like, Oh, shit, man. I mean, you can follow the
conversation. But it's, it's at times. It's pretty fucking bad.
And I'm just thinking, why don't we set this up, so we just do it
on the fucking phone?
I think the phone is too, it doesn't have a clarity.
Well, so that's there's two things First, the idea of, you
know, this show, basically, because the way the show is
published, it auto assembles you know, you get episode after
episode. So there's nothing against us doing a phone call or
not doing a five minute conversation about something. If
it were really easy, right? If I just if I just had a had
something I called you or you know, even even we said now call
tomorrow at noon or whatever. And it would just kind of
happen, you know, just call in and then boom, the show is
released. That's one thought. And then that's it. That's all
we have. And then the other one is just technology. This just
sucks. This is this is no, this is no fun. It's unreliable shit.
You know, it's funny because you're sounding great.
Well, it's either, you know, as we were discussing just just
before we hit record, I'm on. I'm not on British Telecom. And
you're on Comcast. And you know, whenever we first established
the connection every single week is the same thing. It's like it
gets better within a minute or two and I'm thinking you know,
is this the packet should you know the bandwidth shaping the
packet? prioritisation that's going on? You know that oh, this
is not BitTorrent. Oh, maybe it is bit torrent. Let's cut it for
a second. Yeah, it literally sounds like that sometimes.
Let me see. You know, I might have a background cast because
you sound good, but I sound bad. Maybe it's my fault.
No, but it's not just you sounding bad. You can get
couldn't hear the bandwidth just being shut off. It's a bandwidth
thing, you know, years of fucking voice over IP has taught
me that this is what it sounds. And I know because if I go to
your site, and maybe it's my incoming bandwidth, if I go to
your site while you're talking and it's loading pictures, then
then all of a sudden it starts to crunch. So I'm clearly not
getting enough bits from you. And whether it's my end of year
as probably on my end fuckers that I lose, you
know, you sound good. You sound good,
well, then you're good, then you should be recording on your end.
Well, you know, that's a thought
job. Anyway, what if we had, what if we had a mobile setup
something that was really convenient? I mean, would that
be a format to try and do something every day? I'm really
trying to, you know, look at some fun project for 2008.
Because clearly you and I don't have enough to do.
Yeah, well, it's always good to sit in bullshit on the phone
once in a while. Yeah, you know, that's the how would that work?
I wonder what people haven't? You know, the thing is, of
course, a daily show is where the is where the money is?
Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's where the money is,
baby.
Well, I mean, the Daily Show is where the money is. it at some
point,
there was another thought I had, okay, bear with me on this,
because this is should have been thinking about a lot over the
past couple days. So I truly believe that in the not too
distant future, maybe five years, let's just make it easy
on ourselves. In in five years, there will be enough ubiquitous
bandwidth around and, and streaming capabilities that
essentially will just have digital radios. I mean, it's
it's what Dav already is. But it'll be two way. And so you'll
be able to stream certainly you'll be at you can do that
today over you know, over your your mobile phone. The price may
vary depending on your plan and where you live and all that
shit. But bar, the subways, you know, you can probably I've done
i chats with Pete with with KJ with Chris Jacob on while he was
on the train, you know, coming down from from upstate New York.
So we can we can get a stream out there. What if we had a
stream? That is essentially 24 hours a day, and we just keep
adding to it? Right? So if you drop in, you'll hear the
conversation, then eventually, you'll get up to a point that
you've already heard and then you're up to date. And when you
check in again. Fuck I don't know if it would work, something
like that. I
think what you're describing, it's some sort of an audio
Twitter
which actually exists, but I wanted it does. Yeah, Dave Winer
put something together, where you literally you call in to a
phone number. And you leave a message. It's limited. They've
limited it to, I don't know, one minute or something like that to
keep within the, the scope of Twitter or wherever. And then
people who follow you receive a URL, and then you can also you
know, then I think where that broke down is Twitter doesn't do
enclosures in their RSS feeds or something like that. But it's
you know, there are it's certainly possible
that this the idea, the idea of this thing you're describing
that Dave Winer did is that somebody you call this number
say, Yeah, I'm standing here on the corner of fourth and seventh
and I'm can't figure out which way to walk because the next
street is 50 and the other one is six. But if I go to six and
50, it's like what kind of street number they're doing.
Yeah.
And Scott Scoble. You rock, dude. We got y'all, you gotta
put that in there. If you're on Twitter, he does. He has a
Scoble. Do you rock? Anyway, so yeah, then then you hang up, and
then your twitter then publishes a URL, Twitter gramme or
something like that. And I don't know. I'd have to look into it.
But yeah, so as you
mentioned, you just brought something about that needs to be
discussed, which is, I just want to know, I'm just saying, can
you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. So I'm just saying that.
You just mentioned somebody just about the limiting you know, you
don't do 150 characters in Twitter. 150 words? I don't even
remember. But is it because of the guy because it was done by
the guy who invented blogging? Did he come to the conclusion
that no, this is like reinventing blogging without all
the boring BS that you have to you know, either make a short
comment or nothing. Yeah, I think so. Because most blogs
entries by these bloggers is that they just they can't stop
writing.
Yeah, well, but Twitter's you know, it's just as annoying. I
mean, from time to time, I'll try it you know, like, Okay, I'm
gonna It's just but it's just like chat. It's like IRC. It's
like a million things I've tried and don't just not it's not for
me. I just don't care. And I and I don't care to consume the
media that way. I really don't. I want it packaged. I want it
fed to me. I'm not I'm tired of raw data that I have to do. You
know, assemble in my brain? Does that make any sense?
Yeah, no, I feel the same way as you. But that's because we're
getting old.
Well, exactly. So there's a huge market of old people and, and
that's where the money is John, a daily show that's packaged for
these fuckers. Let's put together in an easy fucking way
where you listen to a fucking stream of something if you want
to go get the podcast and have it downloaded sure we'll make
that all work. But it's got to be something because you always
think and look in radio. I get a lot of feedback on the show and
people you know about the length of it. We're 35 minutes now. And
my sister said we
should have it. We should have a drunk driver. I'm sorry,
drinking a drinking game. And but the game is when you use the
word fuck because it's it's pretty funny.
I'm sorry. No, it's
okay. I don't care. I'm just saying though. But you make a
great drinking game.
Okay, well, so you can use the show as a drinking game is what
you're saying?
Yeah, absolutely. A good show is a drinking game. Yeah,
I think we already have that. I think I saw that somewhere.
Anyway. So like my sister said to me last night, she doesn't,
you know, I really like no agenda. It's a great show. And
I'm always literally quite honestly surprised. Like, okay.
So but you know, an hour is tough for me. And I'm thinking
of myself. And there are lots of shows, you know, all the shows
you listen to John, you know, like Rush Limbaugh. And, you
know, I used to listen to Howard Stern religiously. And, you
know, and I think it's because it's, it starts and it ends. And
you have the whole show that unlike radio, where you people
don't realise it, but they really do switch stations every
15 minutes. I mean, that's just the way the radio audience
works. You hit commercials, boom, you're somewhere else, you
know, and then maybe you stick around, maybe you drop off, but
on average, now I'm
getting it. I'm getting it. This is like the the beats Tina to
death thing. Took me a while. So yeah, no, I'm getting what
you're suggesting is that it's a it's a virtualized show that
just as a never ending stream, it's not an hour show or a 45
minute show. It's just a long, it's a show the beginning? Yeah,
just the first day since we did the first episode, streaming all
the way to the last episode. And when people you know, when
people subscribe, or go to listen to it, they kind of pick
up at a point somewhere in the middle of it.
Because it shouldn't be that important. You know, I think we
can accomplish a lot more eventually, the way it should
work is eventually you'll get the story, you know. And that's
a matter of there's some technical things there. So
there's some programming things that would have to be thought
through. Because
so it has to be like a blog entry, though. So you'd have to
do these snippets because this is this the architecture that is
the problem here, you'd have a snippet. So this last thing that
we talked about be the first thing they listened to, and then
it would go backwards in time with snippets that in reverse
date order. Yeah. Which would kind of not make a lot of sense,
because I'd be explaining the by and large thing. Now luckily.
Luckily, luckily, with our pod show channels, we can determine
the order of said VirtuAl Show. So you know, so we can, we can
still do blog like snippets, but the output of our RSS, if you
will, or whoever we make it show up for you. We can determine the
order. So we could actually experiment with this without
getting fucking engineering involved is my point.
Yeah, well, good luck with that. Now, here's what I see is the
issue. I think this is a great idea, by the way, said there's
there's a complication here, which is, for example, we'll go
back to the by and large rant. Yeah, we have to do to make this
work, right, we'd have to actually document what we're
talking about in some logical way. Were indexed sounds like
there you have it. There you go. Sounds like work.
Well, clearly, that's a nonstarter. So we have to think
this through a little bit more about the audience I mean, can
we get get your guy's Baba like that involve? How on
on that? Well, but I don't know about Baba, but he's just seems
to be like it is witsand already, but I'm thinking this.
By the way, I'm not I'm not trying to poach your guys. John.
I'm just saying.
I would probably do it. But actually, there's another guy
that probably would do it for sure. But I don't want them
doing it. I think because what you brought up was the fact that
we like to package stuff because we're getting old and the kids
they like to do all this stuff themselves is to get a team of
volunteer kids. Yeah. You know, by our standards, kids, anyone.
Have them have them? Mashup shows.
Exactly. I think there'd be more than a few volunteers for that.
Interesting. Well, it sounds like it certainly could be done.
I mean, so if we were able to
participation, it would be like participation broadcasting
that's the term we'll call it and participation broadcasting
because nobody uses will use it. Because it's like you're you're
actually doing the editing out there.
You really liked that name participation to participate in
the sounds like they know I don't like the name. I don't
like the name.
You don't like to name No.
We gotta have a good name, man.
But find a good name, whatever the case is, I think you can get
an audience to do that. And then you'd have like a variety of
shows you have like to just the by and large rants every time we
mentioned by and large and have somebody edit it all together.
So it's a nice package and people can listen to it when
they feel like it. And you'd have an infinite number of
things that you could do with all this with just with the raw
feed of the whole thing.
Interesting, huh? Well, I'm just mulling it over again. You know,
my main objective is at all cost to avoid any type of work.
Yeah, no, absolutely just nothing but BS. You know, just
sit here yakking away what we think with some experience,
we got some knowledge we were aware
we have a knowledge base elders. Were elders and elders don't
have to do work. We're not supposed to do work.
That's right. Where am I fucking virgins man
it's just like we're just a couple of guys it's we've been
around the block we've seen a lot of stuff we've makin our
analysis is pretty original. And that's what people want to hear
anyway. And oh, man, it could be
my Ron Paul endorsement video was on the news in Holland. They
did a new set kidding. No, no, they did. I'm trying to get a
copy of it. I can't wait. It was but it was like on like on an
Entertainment Tonight. Tonight News. They kind of like, it's
called Heart of Holland is hard for nade long, but heart of
Holland is the name of the show. And it kind of seamlessly moves
over into like an Entertainment Tonight like segment. Like, you
know, Adam curry is, is endorsing a Republican
candidate. And like I have no idea what the nuances were but
like, interesting, hey, those of you living in the UK, if you
didn't know already, we got a couple of airline strikes coming
up. In fact, it's affecting my travel. I'm leaving a day
earlier, to miss a couple of different strikes that are
taking taking place. The firefighters, security and
maintenance workers are planning to 24 hour walkouts and a 48
hour strike in January. And this will be somewhere around the
17th Virgin Airlines by the way, going on strike on the 14th the
cabin staff are being paid less by about 35% than other
comparable airlines and they want more money very interesting
to me as huge investor in the fucking airline
and have a drink. So that's it. That's all the strikes. That's
it. That's kind of wimpy
Well, no, I got more. I just want to make sure I got it in
there. No, I did have two other things. One,
is there a website that people can go to that shows all the
strikes? That'd be a cool idea strike
site? I'm sure there is. I'll look at that. Yeah, yeah, by the
way, just not that we should really get into it. But David
Letterman. I guess he cut a deal with the Writers Guild. And he's
starting up his show again.
Yeah, I think on the fourth, the second to the third something
that's next week.
How the hell does that work? I mean, that's that seems lame.
I don't know how it works. I have no idea. But he did. And I
think I think lentils got some sort of a deal cooking too. I
mean, Letterman was paying everybody while they were on
strike.
Yeah, but he was just paying him like, like a gentleman and not
hogging the camera like Lenovo one a bit far. I felt what did
Lenovo do? I was you know, I don't know. Lenovo. Lenovo.
Yeah, he's not as good. So I got
I got a couple of things. Here's one I just got to put in here.
So I'm getting a lot of email. And by the way, thank you very
much, people who heard our, our plea to not hold back from
sending us stuff because you're pretty sure a million people
already sent it to us. But I think I've increased by 10%.
John, how about you?
I haven't gotten anything. Really? Oh,
I've gotten a lot of hay. I know a million people have already
sent this to you. But here's another one. To a lot of people
sending this video of Ron Paul, apparently somewhere he was
asked about
this thing has been around and I was gonna blog it and the whole
thing just seems like it was an offhanded thing. It didn't seem
to have
it. But yeah, I don't know. What can I mention about this? It's
like, Who fucking cares? I
really don't care. Well, here, let me give you something that
you should know. Thank you, my son. My son who's at Evergreen
College. He says that it's his generation under the Big Ron
Paul supporters. Yeah, I would agree. I hope so. The Y
generation between the ages of 18 and 27 Maybe some whatever
that demo is, but anyway, he says that he thinks Ron Paul's a
big phoney. Really? And he thinks he's and he's got a lot
of friends that feel the same way and, and sanity then a
dangerous crackpot
with that kid of yours in the shape Dvorak. What's up with
that?
I don't know. No, that's what he says. My wife doesn't my wife's
who's a who's a Republican who hates bush. Then she's like a
lifelong Republican who hates the Bush. Bush. She didn't hate
Bush when she was a kid, but she's a lifelong Republican who
now hates bush to put it in the right English. Anyway, she hates
Ron Paul to really Oh, yeah,
I mean, really hates a J hates a big word, man. I mean, that's
more than just like, doesn't like him wouldn't vote for him.
Hate is pretty, pretty strong. Yeah.
Well, I think that's probably an accurate analysis.
You want to give me any insight into that? Yeah, just so I can
figure it out myself. I asked why? Because He's crazy. He's a
crackpot. He's dangerous. He's a Nazi. He's this. He's, I mean,
there's no real specific thing that anyone says, they just
think he's a big phoney.
The man has speaking of Bush, the man loves bush. He's
delivered over 4000 children. I mean, you just can't be an
asshole. When you're in that line of business. I've met lots
of lots of Obstetricians. Nice people by and large.
I'm just telling you. Well, that's great. I mean, I like the
guy. I've advised him on the ballot. I'm voting for him. All
right.
Right on, but who the hell knows? That is interesting.
Anyway, I agree with you. Like, I don't care. I don't care. You
know, I've heard him say, my route. My belief and my religion
is my burden. I'm like, Yeah, right. That sounds right to me
that your fucking problem, not mine and don't want to hire the
guy for that. I don't care.
Well, the other thing is, of course, he's got the right
attitude about these. I'm still sticking with my original theory
of two years ago, which is that it's going to be McCain Han that
I have been paying attention to him because you've said that and
and this of course would only be because it's already a done deal
inside. You know, insider knowledge. Everyone's already
it's all been squared away. They've fixed it. However they
fix it. It's going to be McCain. And I have to say, and I'm going
to turn the lady Patricia loose on number one her opinion cuz
she's pretty good. Now and if you if you have a chance, listen
to the last daily source code, Patricia did the show with me.
And the way she talks about bush? She's like, No, I won't
even tell you. We just gotta listen because she's very
analytical. I think you're right. I think it may be he is
so fucking overconfident. He is so laid back. You can look at
his eyes, man. Just look at his eyes. It's almost like, Fuck,
man. I've got this. It's in the pocket.
Ya know, there's that element. Now getting back to my wife who
doesn't like Ron Paul. She thinks she's actually if
anyone's going off the deep end. And I think there's a lot of
people that think like her. She believes and of course, I used
to blog this, I think I'm gonna bring it back to the blog. She
thinks that they're going to do a some sort of a scam thing is
going to happen on the next 911 because supposedly, Osama bin
Laden says expect a big announcement. And and then Bush
is going to declare martial law and keep himself in the present
in the office. Right? Forever. This Yeah, this. I've heard this
too. And this is like, Give me a break this. This is the crazy
this is like, during the Nixon administration, there used to be
this conspiracy writer named Mark lane. And Mark cullinane
wrote all these crazy books about how you know, essentially,
Nixon was responsible for the Kennedy assassination. Anyway,
he said that Nixon had this huge scheme of foot, then he said it
with a straight face, a huge scheme of foot to get himself to
be pronounced as emperor. And I've heard him too. I've heard
this one too. Yeah, a whole bunch of people bought into
that. And I'm thinking cheese. Come on. Well, I'll tell you
what it is John, here's my analysis of that. And you know,
the past six months and maybe the past year, maybe this was
2007 was the year of my awakening. And of course, they
literally has to do with age, it's it's other my brain is
starting to function a little differently. But, you know, I'm
a media guy. And I'm, I know how television works. You know, I've
been a part of the machine it is one big it's a flickering
fucking box. Okay, it's a it's a light box, and people are tuned
into this thing that jacked in so deeply. I see how it affects
very rational people, how they really believe things, and this
is carried over to the internet. And so you know, I watch all of
these loose change 911 You know, every single I watch him, but I
can I can see all the pieces to it. And I can take away and I
can analyse that and still keep some sanity, but, you know,
other people might watch I for sure fo shizzle I'm sure your
wife and your son they don't have that capability they have
not been able to switch that off so that's why they get sucked
very deeply into these types of stories which online I must say
are beautifully supported you know it's crosslinked cross
reference you know the network's beautifully when you're looking
around for this stuff and people forget that it's just people
writing shit
Yeah, so what's your point? So
my point is the reason that your wife and son hate Ron Paul the
reason why they think that you know all of this you know, third
you know third term martial law
so my son by the way don't want to he's not in that camp
okay, but regardless is because when they jack into any form of
media device, where their brains just reading shit clicking on
shit, you know, it's what television has conditioned them
to believe shit. They can't think for themselves. They can't
think straight. They're jacked. This is this is what this is my
point they're jacked into the matrix
thinks they can't think straight well as Yeah, most people seem
to be that they can't think straight and they do it. People
do get sucked into this media stuff. I just kind
of I've never met your wife I've spoken to on the phone. I'm sure
I'm gonna love her. When I finally meet her, but I think
she's she's jacked in edit. She's still jacked in man. She's
not unplugged totally. So she can't really see that stuff. You
can't comes up with weird stuff. My wife has exactly the same
humour
that it is. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We see it as humorous
because it is funny, even though the public can go mad, and a
riot can ensue and a mob can break out and you can be hung by
a tree nearby. Thanks to this stuff.
Well, let's do an experiment. Let's do a really easy
experiment. Okay, because you can see exactly how this works.
So the new and this blood let's please let's this is gonna be
our last topic because this will take 10 minutes. The news comes
out Barron Hilton, Paris, Hilton's granddaddy, the guy you
know, he's got the Hilton Ranch, you know, this is where Fossett
flew off from and never came back. This guy is a fucking
legend. You know, he's multibillionaire, somehow in the
press, and I haven't really done the homework yet, I'm hoping
you'll do some of that job. For our, for our test. There's the
story that he is going this is what I've heard, that he has
announced that 97% of the Hilton Empire is going to be donated to
charity. And what is what happened within within minutes
of this story coming out, is that the journalists have now
calculated the so called wealth of the barren Empire, the math
is all off as well, by the way, but I know what they're trying
to do. So it's like, you know, $1.7 billion, or whatever, they
say, okay, so that 3% of the $1.7 billion, and they look at
how many grandkids there are. And then they look at parents
and they say, well, she's probably gonna want only wind up
with like, three to 5 million bucks. So all of a sudden, it's
like, now there's this and we went to Holland. And already the
news was, you know, translated there, but a derivative of the
story. So now Paris was was was, you know, there was gonna be she
was almost out of business. You know, she's, she's over, she's
done with Paris is now already making appearances, saying, you
know, I'm a brand you know, and you watch you watch this girl
crash and burn. Because of the society of the spectacle. It's
totally based on shit. It means nothing. Who knows if she was
ever going to receive any money anyway, she's her business, to
this day has been running quite well as Paris Hilton the brand.
But watch this tarnish her and watch it go down in flames. And
that explains exactly how this what what happens with the
matrix. You know, our brains are fucked up. You know, it's like,
hey, we can pull someone down to at the same time. It'll make us
feel good. You watch.
Okay, I will. And that let's find out what this guy's You
said you wanted me to look into something? What? Yeah, in this
whole thing? Maybe. Is this like a true story that that or just
somebody contrived it in the Daily Mail? I mean, I don't
know. John. That's what I'm saying. We need the reason I'll
do some research to obviously but but no one is doing that.
That's the amazing thing. No one's doing the research. It
went from bet instead of $2 billion going to good in the
fucking world to do some good. You know, this is up there with
the Warren Buffett with Bill Gates Foundation. It's just a
huge amount of money. It's all about Paris Hilton and how
little she'll make we'll have little she'll have when this guy
finally kicks the bucket. It makes me want to fucking throw
up. Oh, have another drink?
Well, I actually they're drunk by now to be honest. Ah,
you got to look into the story.
It's a good yeah, that sounds like, this sounds like a theme
for the show, to track down the BS behind this whole thing and
what the truth is. So that way we can maybe we can save Paris
as possible.
If she'll blow me. Absolutely. And my wife would be okay with
it. My wife would be okay with it, though, would be no problem.
I don't think that's gonna happen. So, but you never know.
Yeah. You know, if it doesn't happen for you the way I say
there's no hope for the rest of us.
All right. I'm gonna think a little bit about how we can
restructure some of this and have the participatory broadcast
principles enacted with our ever expanding audience.
Probably up to 12 by now.
Alright, everybody, thanks for checking out no agenda from the
curry manner. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak from Silicon Valley.
And we'll talk again real soon, probably in 2008.
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