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podcasting 2.0 for August
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lit hello everybody welcome to
the official board meeting of

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podcasting 2.0 coming to you
live from right nearby the

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grassy knoll in Dallas Texas.
time once again for your weekly

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board meeting find out
everything that's going on with

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podcasting 2.0 What's happening
with the namespace what went on

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and podcasts index in some
brevity and of course everything

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happening at podcast index dot
social I'm Adam curry here in

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the Heart of Dallas, Texas and
in Alabama. No way to force down

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the man who slept like a baby
last night say hello to my

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friend on the other end ladies
and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones

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who is whose Jr Jay gets beat
Jr. No

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no any James who shot Jr. Oh,
remember that? Remember that?

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Jr? Yeah,

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my child of the 80s failed me. I
was I was almost there. I forgot

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about the who shot thing. I just
figured that year Jr. and I'm

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the like the chick with the wavy
hair.

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No, no, you're you can be Bobby
you can be Bobby Ewing. Bobby

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was always he was also the man
from Atlantis. So we had x ray

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all the skills.

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It was It wasn't fair falsetto.
That was it was the No no,

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it was a Sammy Jo. Heather
Locklear. Heather Locklear. Oh

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yeah, Sammy Joe, who didn't have
a Sammy Joe poster on the wall

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back in the day.

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I had a poster of a Lamborghini.
So okay, I

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didn't know there you go.
There's

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Sammy. Joe had a Lamborghini.
You never got the Lamborghini.

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I never got Sammy Joe.

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Those true statements.

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So we are live from Dallas.
Podcast Movement. 22. I'm on the

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26th floor. I think you're on 23
or 21.

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Whatever, anyone.

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It's always so interesting. But
this is kind of the best way I

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was like we were talking last
night Why don't we just do it

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the way we always do it you sit
in your room? Said I don't it's

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weird. It's weird to do a show
that you do with someone

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remotely all the time. And then
if you sit next to each other in

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the room now it doesn't work
feels weird. I don't feel good

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about that.

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staring at you like a so that
was going on. I don't think we

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need to go through all of the
controversies that have taken

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place here. Podcast Movement,
pretty much everybody has read

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about it, I guess.

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I have think of learnings that I
can share. Yeah, please. Have

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three learnings. Okay. All
right. This year it's in and my

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voice is completely rigged by

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the way you sound. Barry, he's
the Barry White of podcasting.

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Ladies,

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gentlemen, let me let me let me
tell you this everywhere you go

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in, in this place, there is
little music. You cannot have a

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conversation with me but with
anyone without yelling at the

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top of your lungs. Yeah, the
entire time is like after four

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days. I'm like the voice is
gone. It's completely wrecked.

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Yeah, I had the Sheraton
breakfast burrito, not good eat

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piece

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of crap. And it's lukewarm. So
we both had room service. And we

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both inadvertently ordered the
same thing. We're not sharing

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room. And and we compared notes
and like what was that drag that

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they threw into it into a
tortilla? It was just it's not.

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It's nasty. There's no service
in hotels anymore. And it's also

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married to Sheraton but it's
owned by the Marriott. You

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remember one article when our
vacation fell apart going to

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Aruba so we went to Fort
Lauderdale stayed at the Four

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Seasons also owned by Marriott
it was even a bigger piece of

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shit than this is now but it's
services gone away there's just

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no you know people I think the I
don't think they have enough

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people

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you and I literally went to
there is a there's a branded

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Marriott across the street. It
literally went there to eat

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lunch just to escape the noise
that yeah, in an hour.

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It's the energy to you know,
there's just there's a lot of

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energy from a lot of different
people. I've been to many

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conferences, you've been to
conferences. But there is no no

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quiet space anywhere. That's
partially the acoustics of the

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building. But you're right yeah,
everyone's just Well, first of

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all, we're talking a lot you
know, I don't know about you,

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but I don't talk this much. In
my normal day.

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I hang out with accountants all
day, so I'm not

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I need the horn to

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Oh, man, I wish we gotta get
that gotta get we gotta get that

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horn. It was what Okay, what's
your third learning?

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Oh, no, my second learning. Oh,
I'm sorry. Your second learning?

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Yes, I'm gonna number two. No,
the the body Wash in the shampoo

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in the shirts and shower. I
think it's the same thing on the

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inside with just a different
label on it.

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It's actually canola oil

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rapeseed oil. It's all yes.
Yeah, it's, it's a law, it's the

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shampoo is a lie.

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It's all it's always fun to have
your shampoo, body wash and

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conditioner bolted to the wall,
it just makes you feel like

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you're in prison. I just feel
like I'm gonna sell man. Like,

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what is.

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My third learning is that Ben
Shapiro is the equivalent, he's

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the human equivalent of uranium
235, he can harm you, merely

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being in the room with you. That
is something I did not know

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about, about humanity.

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I did a full 30 minute overview
of my impression of the

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conference and the so called
industry that is here. So if you

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want to get a full dirty
rundown, that will be a place to

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listen. I don't want to put too
much nastiness. Because we had a

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really good time, we hung out
with a lot of cool, cool people,

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all of the 2.0 people that that
came out. And I'd say based upon

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this controversy, and
interestingly, how people

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responded to it. This went
beyond politics. I tweeted, and

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people didn't understand that in
an odd way, this controversy

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kind of brought America a little
closer together. Because no, you

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know, a very frequent post or
reply to this Twitter thread

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would be I don't agree with
anything Shapiro says, but what

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is this? You know, so it kind of
brought people a little bit

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together. And it really, I've
spoken to many, well, a couple

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of friends over the past. In
fact, I spoke to a buddy of mine

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who lives I want to have lunch
or dinner with him, but I'm

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gonna go, Oh, my God, I can't
hang out with you, Vic. I said,

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you know, what, Where's all this
coming from? He had this. This

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is core. This is corporate
America right now. And he said,

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The only difference is, you
know, it seems like in the

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podcasting world, they may have
actually put numbers on the

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quotas, but in general, it's
just like, there's this equity

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balancing act. That sucks. It
just sucks. And then, you know,

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and the virtue signaling, which
is clearly what happened here,

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Brent, but looking at this level
of quote, unquote, D,

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platforming, and, you know,
other threats that were made to

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people about well, if you know,
there's complaints about you,

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you gotta get out of here. I
think that the entire podcasting

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2.0 Orchestra, which has, you
know, contains banjos,

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washboards, triangles, and
Thurman's.

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Am mouth juice harps.

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That's a good one. Yes.
Congratulate yourself. We we

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built the escape hatch, just in
time. The escape hatch, is there

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the escape hatch from the
monetization you're not going to

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get? Because it's really not
available to everybody? I don't

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think I think it's a very small
group have in my mind, very ESG

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related type of podcast or
projects or consultancies, that

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are companies that do these
things specifically, that are

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taking a lot of of the money
flow. So I think value for In

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fact, there were a couple of
women from Africa pods at our

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session.

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Yeah, I know this. And others.
Oh, you spoken to them? Well,

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let me I don't know them know
them. But I've communicated with

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him over email. Because I've
reached out to him because I

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reached out to him a while back
is this, this is a good thing to

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talk about. Because I reached
out to them a while back and

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said, Hey, I just want to make
sure that we have all the

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podcasts that you have in the
directory, right? Because you we

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have you know, we've we had the
guy from Nairobi on about you

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know, he's doing Bitcoin stuff.
And, like, I just want a know

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that Africa is a emerging
podcast ecosystem. So I just

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want to make sure that we have
all that stuff. So reached out

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and everything is just very
nice. And then I talked to the

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guys at disk disk topia.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another
hosting company.

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Yeah, it's it's a very well, so
their DNA is really cool. Like

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they it I think, I think it's a
black owned business. And so

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they they have really, they're
telling me they have a really

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good relationship with Afro
pods. And we get talking about a

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lot of this stuff, which is
really cool DNA company because

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they started out, they were
telling me all about their

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history. And they started out
with seeing these these young

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artists, like hip hoppers and
these kinds of guys that were

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just signing their life away to
like Spotify. but they were they

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were like don't do that just
don't just don't do that let

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date and so they

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so that their music guy he had
that music guys, right? Yeah,

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yeah their music streaming guys
for indie for indie musicians,

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and they say they're like, Okay,
you know, their pitch is kind of

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like this I hope I'm getting
this ride to pitches like don't

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sign your life away just to get
the excitement of being on

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Spotify comm site sign with us,
you're gonna get way better,

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better stream rates, we're gonna
you know we're going to pay you,

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we're actually going to pay you
in where you're gonna get money.

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And then there's like a
windowing thing where it's okay,

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you're going to be exclusive on
us. And you're going to tell all

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your fans, you know, go listen
to like, listen to our new album

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on dystopia, you know, and then
after like six months, I don't

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know how long it is after a
certain amount of time, then you

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can go on to the other platforms
and but it gives them a chance

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to to have all their stuff
exclusive and give a better rate

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get better money. And it also at
the same time builds dystopias,

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you know, base. Yeah, sure and
have a bigger and bigger lately,

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like the way they were taught.
Those guys are cool, man, I

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really, really, really good.
Yeah, no, they're great. And

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they've just gotten into
podcasts and audiobooks. And

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they're trying to build that
stuff up. So

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anyway, that I love that. Well,
the afternoon that for pods,

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ladies, I think the CEO, I kept
meeting or in the elevator,

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which was kind of weird and
creepy. At the same time, I felt

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like this woman's thing. I'm
stalking her. We're on the same

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floor as it turns out. And so
the two main things in Africa,

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there's a huge radio culture of
course, you know, that that's

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how they've been getting the
word out. And it's all you know,

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limited range pretty local radio
stations, it's the same in the

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Caribbean. And but you know, in
Africa, it's really prevalent.

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And so now that everybody has
some form of a device that can

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at least you know, depending on
bandwidth, but you know, there

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you go, enter, like the flip
phone and what was a pod? Pod?

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What What's that app on the on
the flip phone? They also use?

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Pod LP pod LP yeah. And so
they're super interested in

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value for value because the you
know, the bitcoin is understood

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very well in Africa, which I
love. I love that everyone here

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is like an African of like, hell
yeah. Because they've they've

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know nothing else but debased
money their whole life.

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But that's what the that's what
the dystopia guys were telling

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me they were like, you know, you
monetization is is almost

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impossible in Africa. They're
like, you just it's because what

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was it you that said that? I
can't remember who's told who

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told me this. Something like big
Bitcoin. Bitcoins not know it. I

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know who it was is Gary aren't.
I was talking to him last night

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at the James Kirtland meetup.
And he said, he said that his

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because, you know, he's traveled
everywhere. I mean, literally

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everywhere has been 130
countries and all over Africa

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and everything. And he was
saying that I think that Bitcoin

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will take off in Africa before
it takes off pretty much

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anywhere else. Because the
because the sort of us doesn't

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need Bitcoin is what he said.
But Africa, Africa actually

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does. Yeah, the countries

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between the countries alone,
they have different currencies.

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And it's very hard to do
business with with with your

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neighbor country, which we would
say as our neighbor state, even

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though I realized Africa is big,
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a state. But you know,

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I think he said it has 90
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Yeah. So yeah, and it was great
to be able to meet some of those

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people. Because, again, I just
think that, you know, big

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corporations have been trying to
capture podcasting. And they

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failed once again. So, we I
think we're doing the right

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thing here. And I and I love
that these types of people are

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emerging and saying, Hey, we see
it, what do we do? How do we get

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started? And this is just
looking at all the good energy

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that that we had in the in the
groups. When, you know, we had a

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nice dinner with a whole bunch
of people in the hosting

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business. You know, there's
three people from Apple here who

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are doing their typical Apple
thing, you know, like, because,

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you know, of course, I say, Hey,
how you doing when you put the

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namespace in? And they give you

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that Apple smile? Yeah, Apple
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anything. That guy

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who came in last night at the
Cridland beer. Did you meet him

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the Apple guy? He was he was
like, yeah, he's Apple PR, which

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is great, man. That guy is he's
told he represents Apple, so

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well. Hi. Hey, how you doing?
Hey, I'm awful. Yeah, I couldn't

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stop smiling.

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Hey, yeah, he's a really nice
guy. Did you see? Do you notice

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they all have the same gray
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Oh, yeah. Oh uniform. Yeah.
Uniform uniform. Yeah.

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With the with the with the white
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and the Dockers had a nice hang
with Mark from clean feed last

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night went out to dinner with
him. Guy such a good guy very

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good guy was first it was nice
because he's from the UK and he

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has a different perspective on a
lot of things. But he's, you

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know, and he we had a real
difference of opinion on some

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core issues, which was good
because it was nice to talk to

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someone with a different
perspective. And he actually

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gave me some insight on things
that I'm biased about. So but he

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does clean it his company's
clean feet and just they won an

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Emmy for, for for their stuffs
being used in films and music.

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And it's really interesting. And
I said, Well, we're talking

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about the conference said you're
not here to sell subscriptions

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said no, I'm really here to meet
with people and learn. And I

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like that. Oh, well. Okay, I
just do you have any requests?

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Yeah, sure. Do? I sure do. I
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channel, that's all I need. You
don't need to put any other

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processing in. It's just, I
don't have enough inputs in my

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life. In the mixer to be, you
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through it. And he said, okay,
yeah, we actually have that

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already. We just figured out how
we want to do it. Because, you

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know, he has two types of users.
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experts. And also he said he was
talking to us working on maybe

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putting in some kind of live
streaming stuff that could

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integrate with hosting provider.

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Yeah, yeah, we we talked a
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he's, he's trailing. So he's
like the co founder the company.

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Yeah. And yeah, he's the, I
think it's just a bunch of just

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two. They're two nerds or two
tech guys. Yeah, a couple audio

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nerds. Yeah. And they so when
you tell him when you say hey, I

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want to do it's kind of
refreshing because usually the

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context that we have with
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hosting company, it's usually
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with the tech people. Right?
This is like the whole they took

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the company to clean feet is
they're nothing but tech people.

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So you immediately get a you
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the like, they was telling me a
little bit about the difference.

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Everybody's getting into this
game now. And so there's like

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squad gas, Riverside, all these
people. And he was telling me

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the difference between, like
what clean feed does versus what

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those guys do. Their thing is,
is like audio synchronization

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like that their exact with their
with keeping both sides in sync.

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Yeah. And like zero latency and
all this latency. Yeah. Yeah.

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Because they actually they're so
solid that you can use it for

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things like was it what they
call it where they do voiceovers

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and stuff in? In film lady
ArtPlace. ADR? Yeah,

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additional? Weight is Yeah,
additional dialogue recording.

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Okay, yeah, you can do it for
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it's really, really solid. And
they do during the pandemic,

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they did all this stuff with
like, film people. And it's, I

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don't know, it's it was just
really good. That was a good

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connection. We talked to him.
For what, two hours less

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than 10 leaves. Yeah, and well,
and 30 minutes of that was spent

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trying to explain to the server
that any mustard or mustard seed

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in the food would kill him.

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Yes. He said it's not okay to
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was prepared to jump over. I
know.

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I said right away since you got
an epi pen. Yes, I can Pulp

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Fiction you right. And this is
no no to that, if that happens

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is way too late. Oh, said yeah,
I should catch that immediately.

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myself. Oh,

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okay. First, I don't have
breathing problems. I'm coming

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over the tape.

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Me too. I'm like we need this
guy in our life.

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No, good. That's no good at the
podcasting. 2.0 meet up with the

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band for Marcis and Buspar guys,
in kind of spearheaded, as that

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was great. It was great getting
to see uh, you know, getting to

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see all the hosting companies
come together and, and sort of

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declare, declare that, you know,
we're there their dedication to

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open RSS and they really know
we're gonna, we're gonna work

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together to further the medium,
and that content was great. It

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was really nice,

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outstanding, the only thing I
would add. But there were still

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a lot of, if not explicitly, the
implied, like, we have to do

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this to make apple and Spotify
see what we're doing and start

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complying with the standards. I
just wanted to add, you know,

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there's also a lot of, let me
just use the word uplifting we

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can do have the current apps
that are already The producing

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this. So, you know, we need to
we need to lift these apps up,

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educate customers, listeners
podcasters that there are apps

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and they're mature enough. You
know, I mean, it's a very

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personal thing, obviously. But
at least someone needs the

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experience. And you know, at
this point is like if you if you

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have Chiclets, you know,
subscribe, or listen, you know,

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it's not sufficient just have a
podcast index logo. You know, I

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think we should be promoting the
apps.

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So I was talking to Kevin and
Tom and Dan Benjamin about this

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yesterday at lunch. And we're
talking about the app

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specifically. And they, you
know, they were looking at a few

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of them. And, like, Kevin was
saying, he's a designer by

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trade. And so he was like, you
know, he said, The problem here

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with, with the, with adverse
Syria, caster that with the,

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with the current crop of 2.0
apps, and he said, they're,

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they're technologically sound.
But you pass a point where the

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technology of the app is, is
just not that. It's just not.

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Oh, man, hold on a second, Dave.
And so hold on, Dave, when you

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said you reach a certain point.
Okay, do I

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drop it? Yeah. Okay, you reach a
point where the, where it's not

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the technology, that's, that's
holding the app back. It's not

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the technology, that's the
problem. Because the technology

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of the app is sound, it's the
design, it's the UI, in in,

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that's actually much harder in
the technology, because, like

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designer and good, good UI
design is really hard. It's

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subtle. There's, you know,
that's, that's a really that's a

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real difficult thing. And we
just spent some time talking

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about how hard it is. And this
is not this is true with all of

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open source, all of open source
that you can tell the difference

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between an open source app, and,
and one that's not usually in

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the Polish of the of the UI, and
the subtlety of how it

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interacts. And it's just because
the is because designers, they

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don't, they're not going to work
for free. I mean, there, you got

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to pay those guys that are good
at it. And they're not, there's

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not a lot of design help in the
open source world. So like, I

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think some of what, hold back.
Let's take an app like pod verse

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is, it's technologically so
solid, but that it's like, I'm

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afraid Mitch would have to spend
a bunch of money to get a

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designer to come to come in and
like reorganize the way that it

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functions in order to make it
feel like like an app. See here

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in this for the prom, I'm that
I'm struggling even even now.

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Let me help you out. Let me jump
in here for a second. So first

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of all, there's also a time
factor, it takes time to create

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an app, go back and look at the
first iPhone, the first podcast

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app. And you know, how has that
evolved? And of course, it's

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not, you know, one person just
doing all the work himself like

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most of the app developers
within the group, but they have

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entire team. So there is just
time, the feedback loop. The

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benefit, of course of, and I
don't think it's open source,

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per se, I think it's really just
maturity, things take time. If

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you don't have a designer, it's
going to take much longer for

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you to even get to a point where
it's usable. And I'll add to

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that, I think, who are there's
probably 3000 artists, I know

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who I can reach out to who do
art work for no agenda every

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single every single show, some
of those people are actual

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designers. And I'm quite sure
that a number of them would be

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more than happy to hook partner
up with somebody. And maybe they

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have a little bit of experience.
Maybe they have a lot, maybe

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they have none. You know, these
are the types of things I'm

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looking for. Maybe we'll get
some new ideas. That doesn't

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necessarily have to mean that
someone has to go out and hire a

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designer, we've just this is a
good point. I've just never,

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never thought of going and
looking for them and putting out

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the call which I'm going to do
and let's see. Let's see who

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shows up and anyone who's
interested. You know, just shoot

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off a mail. They'll just go to
podcast index dot social and

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request an invite we'll send you
one. The problem might have been

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maybe I'm misunderstanding is
just because the apps aren't

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mature. I don't think is a
reason to not highlight them and

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show people where it's going. I
think there's a lot of that,

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well, the apps not really good
yet. Well, that's also not true.

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Some of these apps are
different. I personally find

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some of the standard like Apple,
I'd find boring. You know, it's

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like, I like these new things.
They're a little funky, maybe

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I'm different. But if we don't
expose people to it, and you

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have to show both sides, because
I could say the exact same for

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hosting companies, a lot of them
are implementing things in ways

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that don't make sense to me. So
it's you UI UX is on both ends

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of the spectrum is as long as
and then put it ahead. These are

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these are experimental, these
are new, but here's where you

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can see what's working. Now
what's coming. I mean, this

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education has to happen. And and
I made that point during that

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dinner, like, that's where the
real education of podcasting 2.0

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will take place is the hosting
companies, they educate their

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people all the time.

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Yeah, we typed the context. So
the context of the conversation

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was essentially because because
somebody you know, some of them

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don't want to name it said, we
know. Y'all really need to do

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some, some thinking about this,
because nobody cares. Nobody

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cares about this stuff. Nobody
cares about these features, all

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this kind of thing. It was like
well, incident that led to the

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to the idea of you know, it's
just a naysayer. And then that

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led to the discussion of Whoa,
you don't delete the listeners

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don't care. Because they don't
know they're supposed to. Like,

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if once you once you see
something like pod verse, pop up

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a live stream notification,
you're like, I don't ever want

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that to not be on my phone
anymore. Right? Right. But I've

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never had it. And so like, if
you had to describe it to me,

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six, you know, six years ago, if
you'd describe to me, what about

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would you want a live
notification to pop up in your

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phone when the podcast went, you
know, goes live? I'd been like,

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maybe? I mean, it wouldn't have
been like, super, I would have

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been just kind of hohem about
it. But then when I see it in

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action, and I can actually do
it. It's like, yeah, I want that

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forever. I want all of my apps
to do that. And there's every

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one of the podcasts and 2.0
apps. Every one of them has a

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feature that I feel like I can't
I now can't live without. But I

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know that I wanted it before.
Yes. Then that led, you know,

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and so then that leads to Okay,
well, how do you get in the next

433
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,970
step of that this domino, thing
is how do you get people to try

434
00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:51,000
these things out? And then you
know, so that was we were

435
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,860
flipping through and looking at
a bunch of different apps. And

436
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:56,970
it's like, well, this, you know,
I want to convince a friend of

437
00:27:56,970 --> 00:28:02,370
mine to use, such as app, it's
like the, the people are vain.

438
00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:04,470
And that first impression is
like, they don't want to give it

439
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:09,720
a chance. It just is all in this
context of like, where's How do

440
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,530
you? How do we get rid of all
these sort of vanity adoption

441
00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:14,250
problems?

442
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,000
Well, but But it's, it's all
bullshit. And I'll tell you why.

443
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,100
Because I've lived this movie. I
lived it for five, six years.

444
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:28,860
This is ridiculous. I got a
right click and copy a thing.

445
00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:33,540
What's XML? Like? No one will
care. RSS means nothing. This

446
00:28:33,570 --> 00:28:37,680
doesn't make any sense to you
who wants to listen to people in

447
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,860
a soliloquy? I've heard it all
for five, six years, and it took

448
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:45,120
a really long time. By the way,
we wouldn't eat here's what

449
00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:55,260
could possibly happen. Now,
someone like NPR, PBS. So there

450
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:58,230
could be an entity that just
decides to start using one of

451
00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:02,070
these and I mean, I don't see
you if I were if I had NPR is

452
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:06,540
money. I would you know, and I
was smart, not like the Pocket

453
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:09,750
Cast deal. You know, I would
whip up something that just

454
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:13,320
worked for my NPR podcast with
all these features. You know

455
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,190
that anything like that can
happen. Podcasting works in

456
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:20,400
these very, there's there's
something that just goes viral

457
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,350
about them and it's typically
content related. I'll just

458
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:30,540
remind everybody that podcasting
was the darling of the media. It

459
00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:34,560
was beautiful. This is the
future money was flowing. And

460
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,340
then we got YouTube Facebook,
Twitter and no one as there was

461
00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:43,140
it No, it's a shit about
podcasting Facebook. Okay. I'm

462
00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:47,490
not kidding. It really it really
was a YouTube now he's got to be

463
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,160
all video that no one cares
about audio. It's video now. In

464
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,320
fact, I allowed myself also to
be persuaded and we even changed

465
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,780
the name of the company from pod
show to me vo to pander to The

466
00:30:00,810 --> 00:30:04,920
venture capital and the
industry. Oh yeah, we do video.

467
00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:08,280
Now, of course, we actually
doing video podcasts which are

468
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:11,520
quite impossible with storage
and bandwidth. And it was just

469
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,600
the whole thing was nuts. But it
was also a mistake. And then in

470
00:30:16,050 --> 00:30:19,950
was it 2016? What brought
podcasting back to the

471
00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:24,840
forefront? Was cereal. And the
reason why was a beautiful

472
00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:30,000
confluence of events, where we'd
all just gotten to Oh, yeah,

473
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,060
let's just add the Netflix into
that. Oh, my God, we don't have

474
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:35,730
to wait. We're streaming. We're
binging. It's great. We're

475
00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:44,610
binging five seasons of House of
Cards and just just binging and

476
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:46,860
then all of a sudden here was
something granted murder

477
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:52,170
mystery. True Crime. Very
compelling topic. People like

478
00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:55,680
that. So it was content. And the
fact literally that you had to

479
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,070
wait a week, this would this was
a whole new feeling for people.

480
00:30:59,070 --> 00:31:03,090
Oh, boy, I can't get it. I have
to wait. Oh, I can't wait. And

481
00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:07,620
that catapulted podcasting. Back
into the stratosphere. You've

482
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:12,630
got to give Joe Rogan his props.
Who's who helped many people

483
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:15,660
start their podcasts. But this
is so it's all content driven?

484
00:31:18,030 --> 00:31:22,350
Yeah. It's funny, because that
the talk the toll that you and I

485
00:31:22,350 --> 00:31:25,530
did, I guess it was God, it
feels like an eternity ago. Now.

486
00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:30,150
I guess Wednesday? Yeah, that's
what we did. Then. I used

487
00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:35,250
screenshots of a lot of the
different apps. So we will talk

488
00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:38,190
about and like that. It was,
that was good. Yeah, we talked

489
00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:40,680
about features. Okay, here's a
feature. And then here's a

490
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,850
screenshot of that of an of the
this feature in action in an

491
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:49,680
app. And I've gotten a bunch of
feedback of people saying, they

492
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,090
really appreciated seeing those
screenshots, because they're

493
00:31:54,090 --> 00:32:00,120
not, they're not using the apps.
And so they're like, oh, it kind

494
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,680
of understood the concept of the
person tag. But when I see it up

495
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,820
on the screen, in the app, I'm
like, Oh, now I get it. Now I

496
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:15,300
get why that's a good feature.
And that's, so they're all these

497
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:19,230
features arrived, these
features. These features are

498
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:24,900
exciting to people. But you
can't, I guess you can't, you

499
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:25,800
can't force it.

500
00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,550
You can't force it. But you have
the hosting companies have to

501
00:32:29,550 --> 00:32:32,880
show the other side. They're
not. They're doing things but

502
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,340
they're not. It's not in their
DNA, to say here's, you know,

503
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,970
however they need to communicate
it. I don't think anyone's

504
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:43,740
really doing that. Well, the pot

505
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:46,140
and you in what you always say
the podcaster has to do it too.

506
00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:50,430
But the podcast is they need to
find out about it, they need to

507
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:53,580
know what supported, you know,
the people get into a rhythm of

508
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:56,550
flow, they don't want to I don't
know what that is yet. So

509
00:32:56,580 --> 00:33:00,270
there's that piece. And I just
want to warn everybody, if

510
00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:04,620
you're still doing this to get
Apple on board, it's it's

511
00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:08,460
misguided energy, they'll come
if they feel like it. And if

512
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:11,340
they don't, they won't, but it
doesn't mean that it's has no

513
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:16,410
reason to exist. You don't need
those guys. You can make your

514
00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:19,140
customers very, very happy with
the end people are out there

515
00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:22,650
learning. You know, Dave, we've
been doing the numbers,

516
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:24,480
everyone's been talking about
the numbers, let's just let's

517
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:32,340
just be, let's just be 100 about
this fire. There's very few

518
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:36,480
active podcasts, it's really a
much smaller number. Now there's

519
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,480
a lot of things that update
slowly over time, there's

520
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,190
archival stuff, but in general
shows that are lively, have

521
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:48,090
communities that that follow
along from week to week, or

522
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:53,490
whatever it is, it's not a huge
number. So there's plenty,

523
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,390
plenty of room plenty of
opportunity. I was

524
00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:01,740
so I was doing scrolling through
some sessions yesterday, just

525
00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:06,240
trying to find let's try and
find stuff. Interesting things

526
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,200
and also stuff to mock and laugh
at. So there's there's equal

527
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:16,380
amounts of both here, which is
great. So, but I went into a

528
00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:22,140
session from Rob Walsh at Lipson
and he was saying it like, the

529
00:34:22,140 --> 00:34:25,860
beginning of the session was
about how the 4 million number

530
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:33,480
the 4 million plus number in
podcasting is is bullshit. I'm

531
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,830
like, okay, whatever. So then he
says, but his point was is

532
00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:40,740
pointless valid. He's like, you
know, if you think you're going

533
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:42,960
up against 4 million podcasts,
you're really not going up

534
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,810
against 4 million podcasts
you're going up about you're

535
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:49,470
gonna really against about 480
Something 1000 Because that's

536
00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:52,590
the number that's consistently
in the 90 day range roughly.

537
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:54,120
I think that's it.

538
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,660
If you start pairing that down,
you start getting more specific

539
00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:02,160
and you exclude radio shows that
rebroadcast weekly sermons from

540
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,150
churches, if you start, if you
really pare the number down, you

541
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:11,070
can get that down to about
150,000 shows that are actively

542
00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:16,470
publishing on a regular basis.
Those are those are yours. So,

543
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:20,280
you know, don't think of it this
way. But if you wanted to think

544
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,010
of it this way, those are your
competitors. You know, like, if

545
00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:26,640
you're trying to get into
pocket, that's fair, okay. Fair

546
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,970
enough. Fair number. That, that
shows you that those that

547
00:35:32,970 --> 00:35:37,140
number, you know, the ecosystem
is actually is actually quite

548
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:43,980
small. Yeah. In in, so just a
little bit of voice can make a

549
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:48,120
big can move the needle Allah
like you, you, you highlight on

550
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,030
no agenda each week, you
highlight a different podcast,

551
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:57,660
app 2.0. App. And we know from
the people from the from the app

552
00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:01,110
developers manage and Steven B.
And we know that when when, when

553
00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:04,500
you do when you mentioned, one,
it moves the needle, I mean,

554
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,310
they get new users. I mean, you
know, like, sometimes a large

555
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:13,590
amount of new users. So just
just having, you know, talking

556
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:18,690
about it in the podcasters,
podcasters, have to have to

557
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:23,100
understand this. If you tell
your audience, you know, I

558
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,340
really want you to go try out
this app, because it's a really

559
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:30,900
great experience to listen to
our show, they will do it. Yep.

560
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,390
They will do it. And and, and it
does, it makes a difference. And

561
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:39,630
then that, that brings these
apps up, it allows them to get

562
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:44,670
to get bigger, have more of
more, you know, opportunity,

563
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,670
like they have premium they get
that gives them more money to do

564
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:52,410
better design is just it. It all
starts with the message just

565
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:53,670
like it does for value for
value.

566
00:36:54,059 --> 00:36:57,419
Well, and yes, it does. And now
this is a question of how on my

567
00:36:57,419 --> 00:37:04,589
list, we are almost at episode
100 199. So I'm going to ask you

568
00:37:04,589 --> 00:37:08,549
this question. Now. Since it's
been, we've been doing this

569
00:37:08,549 --> 00:37:12,779
almost two years. I think this
this is this is a big thing that

570
00:37:12,809 --> 00:37:17,609
people overlook this. And you
know, there's always ongoing

571
00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:22,229
discussions about value for
value versus tipping versus no

572
00:37:22,229 --> 00:37:25,349
one sends me any money is, you
know, on and on and on and on.

573
00:37:25,469 --> 00:37:29,399
It's like we we've we've seen
all the reasons people want to

574
00:37:29,399 --> 00:37:34,589
fail. I want to ask you, Dave
Jones, for the past two years,

575
00:37:34,949 --> 00:37:37,889
how has your value for value
experience been?

576
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,199
That was not the question. I
thought you were going to ask

577
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:46,709
me, that's

578
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,270
maybe a very hard question for
you to answer. But when we

579
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:56,460
started this program, this show
we started the, the project, you

580
00:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,330
know, I convinced you and you
had it, you took no convincing,

581
00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:02,730
I said dude will do this value
for value. That's how we stay

582
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:07,620
independent. It'll work you
watch. So I think we both agree

583
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:10,050
that it worked, because you
know, we hold our head above

584
00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:13,950
water. But in general, just you
know, the whole from beginning

585
00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:17,910
to end from because we've we
started asking for Pay Pal,

586
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:20,640
we've actually, as the first
project I've been involved in

587
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,500
transitioned over to full on
value for value SATs, not full

588
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,050
on because we still have
monthlies and big and we do have

589
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,280
supporters who come in with like
a $500. Pay Pal for a month,

590
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640
which is great, but it's all
still value for value, have

591
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,870
never having done it. I'd like
to kind of hear about your

592
00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:43,740
experience and your experience
with it.

593
00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:48,600
I think my experience it.
There's an analogy here that I

594
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,290
can't quite put my finger on but
and maybe it'll come to me in a

595
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:58,260
minute. But the I think my
experience is that it took a

596
00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:06,030
while to understand. Like it
took probably months, maybe a

597
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:12,090
year before I finally understood
the full, like the full scope of

598
00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:18,540
what it meant. Because you get
the vet value for value is about

599
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,270
is about the full feedback loop.
And you said that from the

600
00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:27,840
beginning, but sometimes it just
takes a while to get it in your

601
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:33,060
to like see it to visualize it.
Now I can explain value for

602
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:37,620
value and it does. Effortless. I
just I can just do it to anyone

603
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:40,950
who asks, I can give them the
full rundown of how of how the

604
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:45,060
concept works. But in the in in
the early days, I was like well,

605
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:51,510
it's about it's about giving
your content away, and then

606
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:54,750
asking your audience to give you
back the value. It's about not

607
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:59,970
putting it behind a paywall.
It's about it's about not care.

608
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,610
hoping the prize or I would
always just get sort of get

609
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:07,560
focused in on one aspect of it
and lose the big picture of what

610
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:17,310
of what the whole thing is. And
that's, I think the maturity of

611
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:21,090
my understanding of what value
for value is. Took a long time,

612
00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:26,310
because now, I'm finally not, I
don't get it pigeonholed anymore

613
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:32,640
I can, I can just see the whole
thing. It is the, because people

614
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:39,270
will say it like it also what,
you know, I people don't value

615
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,780
my content, or, you know, I
can't just give away my content

616
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:45,990
or the you know, there's,
they're saying, they're

617
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:48,960
essentially saying that they're
that they don't feel valued when

618
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,880
they don't, if they don't charge
something, or if they don't have

619
00:40:55,170 --> 00:41:03,690
control over the price. But
that's, you, you never the

620
00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:08,040
problem there is you never had
control over the price. This,

621
00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:11,790
this is the thing that people
that people miss, I believe, is

622
00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:15,420
that they think that by putting
a price on something, or putting

623
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:19,260
it behind a subscription, or
whatever, they think that that

624
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:23,460
means that they are in control
of how much people pay them. But

625
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:28,530
that's, that's, that's not true.
You, you're still not in

626
00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:32,460
control, because people just
won't buy your product. They're

627
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:36,870
just, they're just not you can
have a lemonade stand and charge

628
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:42,840
$1 per cup. And think, well, I'm
now in control of the pricing.

629
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:47,880
And I'm now I can, I'm
controlling my income, but

630
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,230
you've missed the, the the 47
people that come by and buy a

631
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:56,100
cup of lemonade. That's great.
But what about the 125 people

632
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,830
that just walk by never do it
because that dollars too much?

633
00:41:59,370 --> 00:42:04,050
Or, or they they walk by in the
opposite end of that they walk

634
00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:07,050
by and they say this like $1 for
a cup was like that must not be

635
00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:12,900
very good. And I keep walking by
like your, your, your exclude

636
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:19,980
your desire for control over
what you over the over the value

637
00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:25,890
proposition is eliminating,
you're putting on your future

638
00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:31,590
potential earnings. Because
you're excluding people. You

639
00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:33,150
think you're not but you are.

640
00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:39,420
It's, it's it is a different
frame of mind. And I mean once

641
00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:42,060
you can kind of get over that
and it is big and but you know,

642
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:45,900
talk to some people talk to Jen
Briony, she told me what she's

643
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,660
doing per episode, she and her
husband are not nomads, they

644
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:51,180
they love staying in hotels all
over the world, they'll stay for

645
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:55,440
a month or two. And you know,
she's, we start her on value for

646
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,410
value divorce actually coached
the hell out of her for as long

647
00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:02,160
as I can remember. And, and
she's and there's a number of

648
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,850
people who are doing it very
successfully. We you have to get

649
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:09,600
over it. You just have to erase
the thinking. It's to me, it's,

650
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:14,160
it's another part of like,
Rancors. You know, the the only

651
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,950
is like, Oh, this you have to be
on the chart. You have to be

652
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:21,810
number one. It's none of its
true. None of it is true. We

653
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,350
this show is not even submitted
to Apple podcasts. You can't get

654
00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:29,310
me you have to subscribe
manually. It's not there. And

655
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,440
yet, all you have to do is go
ahead.

656
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,140
We have 200 we have 250
subscribers. The only subscriber

657
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:40,560
count I know is overcast,
because he puts that in as user

658
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,180
agents so we can see it. We have
250 people that subscribe to us

659
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:52,020
on overcast, overcast is purely
dependent on the iTunes

660
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:56,970
directory for the source of its
podcast feeds. We're not in app

661
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,940
in it in the Apple podcast
directory. So that means 250

662
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:07,920
People just on overcast just on
overcast, I copied and pasted

663
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:13,350
our feed off of podcasts
index.org and put it copied it

664
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:19,710
and pasted it into overcast.
That's the only way to do 250

665
00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:24,960
People in 2022 Yeah, that's
hilarious. That cracks me up to

666
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,420
no end. And that tells you how
how far people are willing to go

667
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,630
to get the content that they
want and how much they value it.

668
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:41,399
You know, the this is going to
be a weird analogy. But for me

669
00:44:41,429 --> 00:44:44,459
because I've been doing value
for value for so long, it's

670
00:44:44,459 --> 00:44:48,329
second nature, but the
experience of trying something

671
00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:52,199
and then it works something that
you are convinced or you you

672
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,229
have a bias an unconscious bias
because you know you think oh

673
00:44:55,229 --> 00:44:57,569
you have to be number one you
got to be on the charts you got

674
00:44:57,569 --> 00:45:00,239
to have you know this many
downloads you got to get to ad

675
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,959
networks, whatever it is, or,
or, you know, yeah, easy for you

676
00:45:03,959 --> 00:45:06,479
to say, but drive them curries.
So lots of people want to give

677
00:45:06,479 --> 00:45:14,579
you money. Okay, no. But for me,
I had this type of experience

678
00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:19,499
not too long ago. And it's like,
you don't really realize how

679
00:45:19,499 --> 00:45:24,749
prayer works until you try it
and something works. You know,

680
00:45:24,779 --> 00:45:28,799
it's like, oh, okay, hold on a
second, there may be something

681
00:45:28,799 --> 00:45:32,909
to this. Yeah, that that kind of
surprise. Experience is what you

682
00:45:32,909 --> 00:45:37,769
get with value for value when
you try it. And when you when

683
00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:42,419
you ask, and people, it's
amazing every single time. I

684
00:45:42,419 --> 00:45:46,709
mean, I'm blown away. When Marco
gives us $500 a month, and like

685
00:45:46,739 --> 00:45:48,869
that, that still blows me away.

686
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:55,109
That I guess the biggest voice,
the biggest voice this bid,

687
00:45:55,259 --> 00:46:00,089
there's been really vocal about,
you know, I won't say it's anti

688
00:46:00,089 --> 00:46:05,849
value failures, just like about
giving against giving away your

689
00:46:05,849 --> 00:46:11,279
content for free, is the tenor
Campbell guy. And he's just, you

690
00:46:11,279 --> 00:46:13,739
know, he just rails about a can
give your way your content for

691
00:46:13,739 --> 00:46:17,729
free listeners suck. They do.
They just want you know, they

692
00:46:17,729 --> 00:46:19,949
don't really have been trained,
they've been trained not to give

693
00:46:19,949 --> 00:46:23,399
you an you know, not to value
you. And that kind of in that's

694
00:46:24,509 --> 00:46:27,299
Understand, understand that you
would get there. Because when

695
00:46:27,299 --> 00:46:31,619
he, when he explains it, I'm
like, Oh, sure, I understand how

696
00:46:31,619 --> 00:46:35,939
you're thinking would land you
at that place. But the value for

697
00:46:35,939 --> 00:46:41,699
value mindset, the read, you've
never mind, my responses, you've

698
00:46:41,699 --> 00:46:46,319
never tried it, you've never
actually tried it. Because the

699
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:53,219
big to me, the biggest issue
with value for value is that you

700
00:46:53,219 --> 00:46:57,539
are let you, you, the content
creator are telling the world

701
00:46:58,709 --> 00:47:04,349
that you value your content.
You're saying you're expressing

702
00:47:04,349 --> 00:47:09,689
to the world, how much you care
and value your content. And that

703
00:47:09,689 --> 00:47:14,309
lets them pick up on it. If you
give it away for free, and you

704
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:19,439
never ask, and you never tell
how much value that you think

705
00:47:19,439 --> 00:47:24,359
the content is worth. How do you
expect them to know? Yeah. Oh,

706
00:47:25,859 --> 00:47:26,249
yeah,

707
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:31,860
it's another part of the it's a
little frustrating that we don't

708
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:34,890
need to worry too much about
this. But you know, it's just

709
00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:37,740
like, well, we need this to get
really adopted, we need

710
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:40,860
adoption. We need to have this
people talking. And that's just

711
00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:44,790
not how it that's just not how
it will ever work. You know,

712
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,830
that type of instant
gratification adoption. You

713
00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:54,180
know, YouTube spends millions of
dollars to promote their YouTube

714
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:58,620
page, Twitter, everyone's trying
to do something. They have

715
00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:06,180
massive scale, but it's like 10
things take time. They just do

716
00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:09,240
and podcasting is it's just
historically because it's

717
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,120
decentralized because a lot of
moving pieces have to come

718
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,220
together. There is no shortcut.
And look at how far we've come

719
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,610
from two years ago. Two years
ago ah, this is just some crazy

720
00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:27,000
nut job Republican right wing
thing for the Curry's doing he

721
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,030
trying to get to where we are
today where we have apps and

722
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:38,610
hosting companies and you know,
multiple wallet providers

723
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,890
jumping in, you know, so it's
working, but I don't it's just

724
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,250
it's just irritates me to be
like, well, you know, Joey it's

725
00:48:47,250 --> 00:48:50,220
still the will Appalachians
apples to apples. They don't.

726
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:52,470
Yeah, they don't

727
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:58,380
feel like I feel like this is
the down the downslope of the of

728
00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:02,340
the emotional roller coaster of
this conference. Where it's

729
00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:05,640
like, we're just, yeah, we're
just bitching about podcast

730
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,030
consulting is really what this
all is. Yeah. You said it from

731
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:12,330
day one. You're like, you're
like you like half the people

732
00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:16,710
hear just podcasts, consultants
and 100 per century is like Oh

733
00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:26,580
can we get a booster grip?
Please tell me got a booster

734
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:27,300
grab? No.

735
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,430
Yeah, it's just inevitable that
after like three or four days of

736
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:38,820
this, you're just like, oh, oh
my god. Can we please stop

737
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:42,090
talking about monetization
strategies? And you know, all

738
00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:42,390
this

739
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:45,240
bull crap? Yes. Yes.

740
00:49:45,269 --> 00:49:47,309
But I mean, we're talking about
some tech stuff. Yeah,

741
00:49:47,309 --> 00:49:52,289
I did want to say that just to
wind it up. It's a very human

742
00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:55,199
trait. People are always looking
for ways to explain why they

743
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:59,279
will fail. You know, this. This
is just it's very typical. It's

744
00:49:59,279 --> 00:50:02,579
an I understand And but I just
want I'm just going to keep

745
00:50:02,579 --> 00:50:07,589
hammering it that we continue
to. I love it just we need to

746
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:11,549
lift all voices, lift all apps,
lift everybody up, make sure

747
00:50:11,549 --> 00:50:14,489
you're promoting everybody else
that's, you know, in these

748
00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:17,669
charts and Rancors they just
have no place in the New

749
00:50:17,669 --> 00:50:22,979
International lifestyle of value
for value. I wanted to give some

750
00:50:22,979 --> 00:50:28,709
feedback I was looking at this
is tech stuff before. I would

751
00:50:28,709 --> 00:50:30,509
hope that the road was here.

752
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:32,910
I were they not I?

753
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,999
I mean, I don't know if they are
I haven't. Is there? Is there

754
00:50:35,999 --> 00:50:39,329
another floor that I should be
walking? Have this come up? Are

755
00:50:39,329 --> 00:50:43,139
you looking for the expo hall?
Maybe that's well, maybe that's

756
00:50:43,139 --> 00:50:44,129
what I was looking for?

757
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,610
Yeah, we're all the world of
booth, like the the bevy of

758
00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:48,210
booths or

759
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:50,760
I'm afraid to walk through there
now after what I said yesterday

760
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,210
on the show. Yeah. Punch me.

761
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:56,489
They may ask you to leave

762
00:50:56,579 --> 00:51:01,019
politely Yes. Because I'm
harming others. Mr. Curry,

763
00:51:01,289 --> 00:51:03,239
can we have a discussion,
please. So I

764
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,419
have, I have one piece of
feedback for for road on there

765
00:51:06,419 --> 00:51:10,649
otherwise excellent road caster
Pro two years my only request to

766
00:51:10,649 --> 00:51:16,709
date. So they have a channel, a
separate channel for the pads.

767
00:51:16,889 --> 00:51:20,219
And I like the pads because I
can, you know, hit my bell when

768
00:51:20,219 --> 00:51:24,329
I don't have my bell. You know,
it's muscle memory, right? So

769
00:51:24,329 --> 00:51:27,779
these are big, rubbery things.
So, you know, it's like, I can

770
00:51:27,779 --> 00:51:31,949
hit that and in my hand knows
where to go. And that's, and I

771
00:51:31,949 --> 00:51:38,129
love it. The problem is, there's
no apparent way to apply any

772
00:51:38,129 --> 00:51:43,379
processing to that channel. So
any so here and this is what I

773
00:51:43,379 --> 00:51:47,519
mean, I'm going to give you an
example. So this is coming from

774
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:52,829
the pad boost. This is coming
from my own system running

775
00:51:52,829 --> 00:51:57,719
through a process channel.
Boost. Boost, I don't hear that

776
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,659
much right there actually, is
not a great example difference

777
00:52:01,409 --> 00:52:05,249
that I hear it's not a great
example. Okay. But because you

778
00:52:05,249 --> 00:52:09,209
don't have compressor limiter,
you can't really push it and

779
00:52:09,209 --> 00:52:12,509
push the quieter spots don't
get, you know, brought up

780
00:52:12,509 --> 00:52:16,649
automatically. It's just an
oversight, obviously, you know,

781
00:52:16,649 --> 00:52:19,559
it's like I you know, yeah, we
need to be able to process that

782
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:24,419
one too. That's the only thing I
need rode. Okay, all right. How

783
00:52:24,419 --> 00:52:24,629
about you

784
00:52:25,350 --> 00:52:29,280
make a clip make a clip of that
and put it on put and send it to

785
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:36,840
road this is okay. All right. We
got we got to do this. We've got

786
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:43,470
to take the the awful air horn
thing. Yeah, whatever that

787
00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:47,070
whatever that is. Yeah, we've
got to hide it into Hilah pad

788
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:48,750
with with a magic no magic

789
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:50,880
number this fires it. Yeah.

790
00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:54,480
gotta you gotta send us boost
until you hit the magic number

791
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,320
and then you get the proper you
get that thing. And we're not

792
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,830
going to tell

793
00:52:58,830 --> 00:53:00,570
it. Just get a good one there.
That was great.

794
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:06,959
I'm getting better. I'm getting
better. Okay, so we should I was

795
00:53:06,959 --> 00:53:14,189
talking to Mike from IV, IV AP
History iv.fm. And he was

796
00:53:14,189 --> 00:53:16,979
bringing up that we should he
was like, Hey, I'm think we

797
00:53:16,979 --> 00:53:23,159
should rebroadcast pod pings.
Like and when he means the so

798
00:53:23,879 --> 00:53:25,769
he's like, you know, they're not
at not all the hosting companies

799
00:53:25,769 --> 00:53:29,009
are doing it yet. And so there's
no there's always a large

800
00:53:29,009 --> 00:53:34,919
portion of the feed of episode
discovery that we is like if I

801
00:53:34,919 --> 00:53:39,629
just if we discover an episode
faster than y'all do, we could

802
00:53:39,959 --> 00:53:43,469
send that back out into pod
paying, if we just discovered it

803
00:53:43,469 --> 00:53:47,819
organically you know, through
feed polling. We could send that

804
00:53:47,849 --> 00:53:52,319
out onto pod paying. And then
everybody gets the benefit of

805
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:57,719
seat of us of seeing it in a bit
and so maybe through that

806
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:04,589
process, everything would be
faster so we talked it out for

807
00:54:04,649 --> 00:54:08,939
for a while. In a month the
first concern there is that

808
00:54:08,939 --> 00:54:12,419
you're going to get into a pod
pain circle then you're gonna

809
00:54:12,419 --> 00:54:16,499
get into an endless loop because
he knows I'm gonna see the pod

810
00:54:16,499 --> 00:54:21,959
pain come through find the find
an episode rebroadcast the

811
00:54:21,959 --> 00:54:25,259
episode and it's just gonna be
like, you know, you get you're

812
00:54:25,259 --> 00:54:29,789
gonna DDoS the whole pod paying
network, get get feed, that's

813
00:54:29,789 --> 00:54:34,979
not gonna get fit in and fix
that part. But then the other

814
00:54:35,459 --> 00:54:39,809
thing is you don't necessarily
want if people find it at

815
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:45,479
different times. Let's just say
that we're polling IVs polling.

816
00:54:47,279 --> 00:54:49,889
I don't know who else would pull
a list Okay, let's say Pocket

817
00:54:49,889 --> 00:54:53,399
Casts. I think they run their
own index. internally. Let's

818
00:54:53,399 --> 00:54:56,909
just say that they pole and we
get them on board. A few

819
00:54:56,909 --> 00:54:59,669
different different people in
their in their rebroadcasting

820
00:54:59,669 --> 00:55:02,249
these things I think what we
need, I think it will work. And

821
00:55:02,249 --> 00:55:08,549
I think it's a good idea. But I
think what we need and I need to

822
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:12,629
talk to Alex and Brian about
this is a, perhaps a reason

823
00:55:12,629 --> 00:55:18,779
code. And the reason code would
be something like found. So it

824
00:55:18,779 --> 00:55:22,499
would indicate, here's a pod, it
would say, here's a pod paying,

825
00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:26,249
right? For a feed update. But
it's not. But this feed update

826
00:55:26,249 --> 00:55:31,889
didn't is not canonical from the
source of the feed. It's It was

827
00:55:31,889 --> 00:55:36,719
discovered organically,
somewhere else within the piping

828
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,729
network. And so when when I see
a pod pain that comes through

829
00:55:41,729 --> 00:55:45,359
with a reason code of have found
or discovered or whatever this

830
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:50,579
thing is, I would know that I
could treat it differently. I

831
00:55:50,579 --> 00:55:53,939
would know that I now, okay,
now, this is just somebody else

832
00:55:53,939 --> 00:55:59,489
telling me they found something
too. I can look. I know, I know,

833
00:55:59,489 --> 00:56:03,209
number one not to rebroadcast
it, right, because to keep the

834
00:56:03,209 --> 00:56:08,459
circle from happening, but then
I would also know that I could

835
00:56:08,459 --> 00:56:11,549
treat it a little bit
differently. I could say, Okay,

836
00:56:11,609 --> 00:56:16,049
I may have already discovered
this. So I can look at try to do

837
00:56:16,049 --> 00:56:21,899
some time stamp, caching, maybe
a cooldown period, something

838
00:56:21,899 --> 00:56:27,059
like that. I think it can work.
And so in the benefit here is

839
00:56:27,059 --> 00:56:29,489
that we're never going to be
able to reach all hosts. Right.

840
00:56:29,489 --> 00:56:34,319
So you get 4 million feeds. And
we we can get a lot of of

841
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:35,879
hosting companies on board.

842
00:56:36,659 --> 00:56:39,179
That's a really that's a really
interesting idea.

843
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,320
I think so. I think so. I mean,
it would just help everybody

844
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,140
would help everybody. Yeah.
Because because you're gonna so

845
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:52,770
some, some obscure podcast host
in, you know, Bulgaria that,

846
00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:58,920
that we just can't really get in
touch with and contact. Then

847
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,600
only maybe hosts, you know, 1000
feeds. This would we don't have

848
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,740
to go that far like that. It
lets us get the benefit of pod

849
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:12,180
paying, without having to
literally re onboard everybody.

850
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,960
Hundreds of people. Yeah. I like
that. Like,

851
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:20,340
that's a cool idea. Yeah.
There's no feedback. There's no

852
00:57:20,340 --> 00:57:23,100
end to the creativity in this
shit. I love it. And I love it.

853
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:28,050
So cool. Now, did I do we talk
about Cameron? With IPFS

854
00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:33,690
podcasting that he's looking to?
He's got this idea of dynamic

855
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:39,960
value blocks. Oh, no. So yeah.
So his idea is and I think he

856
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,100
has some code to okay, we might
want to have him on pretty soon

857
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:48,300
if he's ready for it and ready
to talk about it. Okay. So, the

858
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:54,810
idea is, since IPF
podcasting.com has information

859
00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:59,820
about which node is hosting what
which is, has has episodes

860
00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:08,970
pinned in it think he can also
know when a node is used to to

861
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:17,280
access an mp3 file. And the idea
here is to dynamically change

862
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:23,040
the value block. So that that
node then gets compensated with

863
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,560
X amount determined by you know,
whoever,

864
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:27,780
for that session.

865
00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:32,430
So they get a split of the value
for value payments.

866
00:58:33,449 --> 00:58:36,989
In this is to compensate the
IPFS node for pinning the

867
00:58:37,019 --> 00:58:38,159
correct content,

868
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:41,310
not just well, not just for the
pinning, but for the, for the

869
00:58:41,310 --> 00:58:42,600
ACT for the for the download.

870
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,810
Ah, that's really interesting.

871
00:58:47,369 --> 00:58:51,059
I like by the way, the pinning,
pinning by itself is not a bad

872
00:58:51,059 --> 00:58:54,239
idea. Except, you know, you
can't, you know, when we get to

873
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:57,899
like 100 nodes pinned it, that's
a problem. But there's always

874
00:58:57,899 --> 00:59:01,679
going to be one or I, who knows,
I don't know how to how, who

875
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:06,629
knows how IPFS works under the
hood. So presumably, every node

876
00:59:06,629 --> 00:59:07,919
would get a hit at some point.

877
00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:14,970
You know, who's big on is a big
IPFS guy is Alberto from our

878
00:59:14,969 --> 00:59:18,839
node. He's running the big node
I know there's a graph you can

879
00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:21,779
look at the graph you see this
Oh, it's all connected to

880
00:59:21,809 --> 00:59:26,429
where's it Italy? No, where's
it? Where's that node? Spain?

881
00:59:26,459 --> 00:59:29,369
Yeah, they put the node in Spain
Yeah, you can you can see it you

882
00:59:29,369 --> 00:59:32,789
can see the all the pinning
going on. It makes a lot of

883
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:33,449
sense.

884
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:38,460
We were trying to get Cameron
and Alberto oh now he's talking

885
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:43,500
about it Yeah, let's do that.
Yeah, like good idea. As they

886
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:47,160
want to make this better and I
agree because the IPFS I'm just

887
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:51,390
I just get frustrated with it
and maybe maybe maybe it's just

888
00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:55,230
me attorney not turned it off.
You know, it turned out that the

889
00:59:55,230 --> 00:59:58,440
FS off on the download on the
database download because it

890
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,470
just kept crashing all the time.
And now it's just HTTPS only.

891
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,300
But I need an image which need
to talk to Cameron because I

892
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,020
feel like I'm missing something
if there will, if it's stable

893
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:16,350
enough for them to do all this
stuff with, maybe I'm just an

894
01:00:16,350 --> 01:00:16,740
idiot.

895
01:00:18,420 --> 01:00:21,150
No, now, there's definitely
problems.

896
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:25,950
I'm Will I'm okay. I'm okay,
taking that on the chin. I'm

897
01:00:25,950 --> 01:00:27,720
alright. If it's me, it's me as
I'm good.

898
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:34,980
I'm just logging into my IPFS.
Podcasting? No, it's me. He's

899
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:38,850
got some real graphs that oh,
yeah, here you go. Like no

900
01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:43,470
agenda. It's it's almost like a
ham radio repeater network where

901
01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:46,650
you can see it on the map, who's
connected to who? And it's very

902
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:51,030
interesting. And I guess this is
ultimately why filecoin was was

903
01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:56,640
was created to function as some
compensation for nodes. But you

904
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,370
know, that's where they leave
me. I don't know what the hell

905
01:00:59,370 --> 01:01:02,010
is going on with that. But this
seems, if, if we can make it

906
01:01:02,010 --> 01:01:06,990
work like, okay, a download hit
from, from this node, you get,

907
01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:09,930
you get the split for the Listen
of that episode, which is kind

908
01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:12,720
of fair, because you don't have
to count bits and bytes

909
01:01:12,750 --> 01:01:15,810
transferred. We do it in
minutes, because you get you're

910
01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:17,820
getting a split per minute, or
you're getting a part of the

911
01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:22,290
booster gram. So hey, it's like
web three. Oh.

912
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:29,910
Nice. Yes, yes. Where it's Web.

913
01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:33,300
Web three, baby. The best

914
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:35,970
kind of web three is when it
doesn't have any web three. And

915
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,230
yes, the best one

916
01:01:37,229 --> 01:01:38,369
eautiful, this beautiful

917
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:45,540
chat tag or some sort of chat
functionality for the live item

918
01:01:45,570 --> 01:01:52,080
that this is, this is something
that we have to do. Because we

919
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,610
thought about the way the way
that Steven, Steven B has been

920
01:01:56,610 --> 01:02:03,030
doing it by just off spec,
adding a chat URL to the live

921
01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:06,750
attribute to the live item tag,
right? So you say okay, well,

922
01:02:06,750 --> 01:02:09,540
here's, here's where the chat
lives, and you can just go like

923
01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:14,880
pull it up and an iframe or
something. In that that's that

924
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:18,240
met his needs. But we need to do
this in a better way, a more

925
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,290
official way. So that we can
have, like social interact, we

926
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:28,650
have multiple protocols, XMPP
matrix, right, whatever. And it

927
01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:34,650
just feels like it's needs to be
its own tag, instead of trying

928
01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:39,870
to put it into the social
interact. I don't know why I

929
01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:44,070
can't give you I cannot defend
that. I can't but that

930
01:02:45,449 --> 01:02:46,709
part. Oh,

931
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:51,329
yeah. Yeah,

932
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,730
sorry. Yes, I, I will if we do
it. I mean, there's there's,

933
01:02:57,390 --> 01:03:00,330
from what I understand, a lot of
people are jacked on matrix,

934
01:03:00,330 --> 01:03:07,650
which is cool. I think Alex
gates specifically is XMPP. So I

935
01:03:07,650 --> 01:03:11,580
just want to make sure that we
don't overlook one or be too

936
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:18,150
biased for another. So you know,
it feels like most of the world

937
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:21,570
that would be all in on this to
get it bootstrapped is matrix

938
01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:22,980
and not XMPP.

939
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:26,609
Z.

940
01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:30,270
That's me, this is completely
unscientific.

941
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:35,370
If you want to meet pod
podcasters where they are now, I

942
01:03:35,370 --> 01:03:41,100
would say that it's actually
IRC. Because I are seen, yeah,

943
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:46,440
could see. Okay, think about the
landscape as it exists right

944
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,250
now. It's probably the three
biggest live streamers in the

945
01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:54,570
podcasting world that I'm aware
of. I'm NME pure podcasters. Not

946
01:03:54,570 --> 01:04:00,360
YouTube, Twitch stuff. Pure
podcasters is probably you with

947
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:06,420
no Gen Z stream. Twit with
their, with their live stuff,

948
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:11,820
accidental tech, they also have
a big live presence. All three

949
01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:17,280
of those, all three of those are
IRC based on their chat. And so

950
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:23,190
I don't please, I would like
somebody else to tell me who I'm

951
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:25,980
missing because I know there's
gotta be other live streamers

952
01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:30,660
out there and I would like to
know what they're using. But so

953
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:33,360
that's that's the if you're
going to meet with them where

954
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,900
they're at. Now what they're
currently doing, we would

955
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:39,570
support our see first and then
add something else.

956
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,930
I like that a lot. I like it as
a third option. You're right.

957
01:04:42,930 --> 01:04:47,970
It's our it's already working.
And it kind of sets us up to

958
01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:51,750
avoid all the you're doing it
with the wrong thing bit because

959
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:54,000
now everyone will think we're
doing it the wrong way.

960
01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:57,630
Yeah, but we're

961
01:04:57,630 --> 01:05:01,200
going that's a very interest
Seeing how many of course that's

962
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,760
what lit is already doing that.

963
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:08,519
Yeah, and there's got to be, I
mean, IRC is so old, that

964
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:11,249
there's got to be lots of
libraries out there that are

965
01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:16,499
available that will be easy to
integrate. If a chat if, if an

966
01:05:16,499 --> 01:05:20,609
app wanted to give full on
integration, right in the app,

967
01:05:21,689 --> 01:05:26,129
where you know, that you can
get, you can swipe over to the

968
01:05:26,129 --> 01:05:33,479
chat window, or the chat screen
from so, like, I like I like

969
01:05:33,479 --> 01:05:35,999
yeah, you're you're swiping back
and forth from

970
01:05:36,389 --> 01:05:39,929
well, that's okay. This is a
great example. By the way Harv

971
01:05:39,929 --> 01:05:44,129
had says Twitch is also IRC
based only obfuscated more.

972
01:05:44,489 --> 01:05:48,359
Blair Yeah. Because here's the
here's what happens. Oh, this is

973
01:05:48,359 --> 01:05:53,969
very interesting. So the no
agenda chat has been around for

974
01:05:53,999 --> 01:05:59,069
13 years I think. And it was
initially just an IRC channel

975
01:05:59,429 --> 01:06:03,629
and it was always there for you
know, for for live during the

976
01:06:03,629 --> 01:06:09,839
show during the during the
shows, but the no agenda chat is

977
01:06:09,869 --> 01:06:13,679
active 24 hours a day, and the
no agenda chat added there. Oh,

978
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:16,319
the stream I never came up with
that even the chat wasn't my

979
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:20,699
idea. But there's a community
that lives in the no agenda chat

980
01:06:20,729 --> 01:06:23,699
all the time. I mean, I'm logged
in most of the time and take a

981
01:06:23,699 --> 01:06:29,369
look see what people are saying.
That's a really good I like I as

982
01:06:29,369 --> 01:06:32,099
again, it's like everybody will
say we're using the wrong stuff.

983
01:06:32,099 --> 01:06:33,839
That's that's the way to go.
Then you know, you're on the

984
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:39,059
right path. Yeah, it's my
political. I like it. By the way

985
01:06:39,059 --> 01:06:43,529
meet us also said I think we
have 2.4 120 400 subscribers

986
01:06:43,529 --> 01:06:49,829
subscribers on what was it?
Podcast? Attic. Oh, really?

987
01:06:49,859 --> 01:06:52,079
Yeah. Yeah. Bad people. People

988
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,199
are listening. That is he found
that out. Is it? Oh, no, no,

989
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:57,270
I don't know when someone tells
me something like that. I just

990
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:58,740
take it as truth facts.

991
01:06:59,579 --> 01:07:02,909
Now. Anyway, we're global. We've
gone global.

992
01:07:03,449 --> 01:07:06,449
So we talked about Ellen URL
mafia for a moment just to

993
01:07:06,449 --> 01:07:08,189
understand where we are with
those guys.

994
01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:11,850
When you say Ellen URL mafia,
you're referring to the lazy ass

995
01:07:11,849 --> 01:07:15,449
bitches. Yes. The ones just like
the eath maxis? Yes.

996
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,740
So you call it you call them
lazy ass pitches, which, which

997
01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:23,310
allowed allowed me to say that
the Ellen URL mafia telegram

998
01:07:23,310 --> 01:07:26,820
channel is the lab is the lab of
where Ellen URL is built

999
01:07:26,849 --> 01:07:29,339
lazy as pitches yay. Yes.

1000
01:07:32,489 --> 01:07:35,249
By the way, they take that as a
badge of honor. I know I love

1001
01:07:35,249 --> 01:07:36,209
that you called them there.

1002
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:42,780
Yeah, they were I saw it. Yes.
So a little bit of history when

1003
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:47,850
I first started looking at value
for value in a layer two, and I

1004
01:07:47,850 --> 01:07:51,360
didn't know what layer two was.
The first two things I looked at

1005
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:58,050
were LSAT, which is an API
layer, payment authorization

1006
01:07:58,050 --> 01:08:02,070
token that has to be paid for.
And I spent a lot of time with

1007
01:08:02,070 --> 01:08:05,850
Ellen URL, or specifically Ellen
bits. And I was fascinated by

1008
01:08:05,850 --> 01:08:09,780
these extensions that they have,
which also included tipping, and

1009
01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:13,110
some other things. And, and but
you know, every way I looked at

1010
01:08:13,110 --> 01:08:17,250
it, you still had invoices that
need to be generated, and it was

1011
01:08:17,250 --> 01:08:21,480
above my technical hat, or
something I couldn't just do

1012
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,990
myself is to be, which means if
I have to set up something on an

1013
01:08:25,050 --> 01:08:28,770
on a web server, then no, I'm
not gonna do it. And then I

1014
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,810
found key send. And for me, as a
broadcaster was like, Oh, this

1015
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:37,440
makes so much sense. You just
spewing it. And if someone

1016
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:41,430
doesn't have their receiver on
tough luck, you know. So it made

1017
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:44,520
a lot of sense for me as a
broadcaster. But Ellen, you were

1018
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,750
always we look, I looked at
extensively, I didn't see it

1019
01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:55,980
being as easy as key send. But
it was definitely up there. And

1020
01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:59,340
so from a technical level, and
you hadn't looked at any of this

1021
01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:02,340
stuff back then you were you
were building the index while I

1022
01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:05,880
was doing this stuff. And now
that you have a much deeper

1023
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,050
understanding of the technology
than I do, is you ln URL viable

1024
01:09:10,050 --> 01:09:11,010
in any way.

1025
01:09:12,150 --> 01:09:15,810
In your specific you're
specifically talking about and I

1026
01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:16,200
want to be

1027
01:09:16,410 --> 01:09:18,360
Elon Euro P, I guess right?

1028
01:09:18,389 --> 01:09:27,479
He yell in URL PE is what is
what is it? It is viable for

1029
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,489
booster grams, only. It will
never work for streaming

1030
01:09:32,489 --> 01:09:36,779
payments, it just can't. Right,
it can't work that you're you're

1031
01:09:36,779 --> 01:09:41,669
going to do streaming payments.
So to describe this for Ellen

1032
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:45,719
URL is a really easy thing to
understand. So it's like putting

1033
01:09:45,719 --> 01:09:50,639
a web server in front of your
node. So that because what the

1034
01:09:50,639 --> 01:09:55,319
way, the way lightning works by
default, is it's invoice based.

1035
01:09:55,709 --> 01:09:59,969
So the way it's supposed to work
is I want Adam to pay me 10

1036
01:09:59,999 --> 01:10:05,099
bugs, I generate an invoice for
10 bucks, I send that invoice to

1037
01:10:05,099 --> 01:10:09,989
Adam. And he in he his wallet
pays it, and then it settles.

1038
01:10:10,469 --> 01:10:14,189
That's the way lightning is was
in the beginning and it still

1039
01:10:14,189 --> 01:10:19,649
operates by default, then later,
there is this need this need

1040
01:10:19,649 --> 01:10:24,929
arose for, for invoice list
payments, where I could send, I

1041
01:10:24,929 --> 01:10:30,299
could send money from my node to
another node without having to

1042
01:10:30,299 --> 01:10:34,349
have that the destination node
generate an invoice beforehand.

1043
01:10:34,619 --> 01:10:37,559
Because it's like, that's the
way it is with with Venmo. I can

1044
01:10:37,559 --> 01:10:40,079
just Venmo you some money, I
don't have to have you generate

1045
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:44,699
an invoice and send it to me.
You can but you don't have to.

1046
01:10:45,689 --> 01:10:49,499
That's so when that was
developed that the original

1047
01:10:49,499 --> 01:10:56,579
incarnation of that was key send
in key send is uses uses on the

1048
01:10:56,579 --> 01:11:00,779
fly, sort of dummy invoices. So
when a key send payment comes

1049
01:11:00,779 --> 01:11:06,779
in, it just receives it as a
sort of like a dummy invoice

1050
01:11:06,779 --> 01:11:09,539
type of thing that it just
generates just to have something

1051
01:11:09,659 --> 01:11:18,509
just to have a hash. The Ellen
URL was a variation of a

1052
01:11:18,509 --> 01:11:23,849
solution to that problem. Where
you can request you can say I

1053
01:11:23,849 --> 01:11:27,689
want to send you a payment, and
it will generate one on the fly.

1054
01:11:27,719 --> 01:11:29,729
it'll generate an invoice on the
fly.

1055
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,280
Basically just like having a
little dude who sits there all

1056
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,820
day waiting for people's money,
that dude hits an invoice sends

1057
01:11:35,820 --> 01:11:37,230
it to you and then you pay.

1058
01:11:37,709 --> 01:11:43,529
Yes, yeah. So I can I can send
you I can send you money without

1059
01:11:43,529 --> 01:11:46,859
you having to be involved. But
there's in order to make that

1060
01:11:46,859 --> 01:11:51,449
happen. Your node, the
destination receiving node has

1061
01:11:51,449 --> 01:11:56,789
to have a web server in front of
it right in some capacity, so

1062
01:11:56,789 --> 01:12:02,189
that it intercepts the request
for the payment talks to l&d and

1063
01:12:02,189 --> 01:12:06,209
says generate an invoice. Once
the invoice is generated. It

1064
01:12:06,209 --> 01:12:09,989
hands it back to you, then you
pay it. So that means every time

1065
01:12:09,989 --> 01:12:13,739
you pay somebody through ln your
RP, there's a web server and a

1066
01:12:13,739 --> 01:12:18,179
web request involved before the
payment settlement happens. So

1067
01:12:18,179 --> 01:12:24,119
now you've just increased the
workload on the node by double,

1068
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,690
and not to mention, because I've
said I've set this up, you know,

1069
01:12:27,690 --> 01:12:31,410
not to mention, you got to poke
holes in your firewall, do

1070
01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:36,030
reverse proxy, get a
certificate, make sure their

1071
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:39,630
certificate renews. Yep. You
know, this is shit that I did

1072
01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:42,750
once and like, and then it does
certificate Automatic Renewal

1073
01:12:42,750 --> 01:12:45,060
didn't happen. I'm like, fuck
it. I'm not even looking at it

1074
01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:46,290
anymore. I'm so sick of it.

1075
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,360
It's a fair. It's a great
seeing. It's a great solution to

1076
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,590
a problem. But it doesn't.

1077
01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:54,960
We don't really work for this.
Yeah, we don't really have a

1078
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,460
problem. Well,

1079
01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,720
I agree with Roy, just the
solution is just use key send, I

1080
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,670
mean, keys and exists to solve
this exact problem.

1081
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:09,990
I think what's happening here,
if I can just take a guess, is

1082
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:13,200
ln URL. I mean, people are
waking up to what we're doing.

1083
01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:16,110
And they're waking up and
saying, Oh, these guys are

1084
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:19,020
claiming some victory over
tipping. We invented that a long

1085
01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:22,590
time ago. What the hell you
should ditch you should be using

1086
01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:25,920
Ellen URL, you should be doing
this. Yeah, it's much easier to

1087
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,030
put an Ellen URL invoice into my
into my feed. Oh, okay. You go

1088
01:13:30,030 --> 01:13:35,640
do that. And, you know, and
they're just saying this. And I

1089
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,970
conclude this because no one
actually looks at what we're

1090
01:13:38,970 --> 01:13:41,760
doing known as actually
understood the importance of the

1091
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,810
streaming sites per minute. They
haven't looked into that at all.

1092
01:13:45,810 --> 01:13:50,460
But above all, they believe that
just by telling us we should do

1093
01:13:50,460 --> 01:13:54,150
it, that all of a sudden apps
and hosting companies are going

1094
01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:59,970
to do it. Yeah, it's just an
arrogance. Based on being

1095
01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:01,140
ignorant, I guess.

1096
01:14:01,740 --> 01:14:05,190
But I'm not doing it. And I'm
not going to spend any effort on

1097
01:14:05,190 --> 01:14:08,160
it because I Because I'm
convinced that it was just a

1098
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,090
waste of time.

1099
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:14,940
Can I ask your question though?
Amp? Yes. What is the difference

1100
01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:17,310
between key send and amp? And
should we be looking at

1101
01:14:17,310 --> 01:14:18,210
supporting that?

1102
01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:22,410
Is amp is already supported?
It's already in the spec.

1103
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:24,810
It's in the spec, but I don't
know what it does. I don't know

1104
01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:26,580
how it works and why aren't we
using it?

1105
01:14:26,999 --> 01:14:30,449
Well, amp is automatic multipath
payments. Uh huh. So it's the

1106
01:14:30,449 --> 01:14:37,049
idea that you can split up a
payment and and have an have

1107
01:14:37,049 --> 01:14:41,939
like Sophie ever an invoice for
for a payment for 10,000 sets a

1108
01:14:41,939 --> 01:14:46,799
split that up into four
different batches of 2500 SATs

1109
01:14:46,799 --> 01:14:49,919
and send each one of those
through different routes. If

1110
01:14:50,129 --> 01:14:53,729
it's a way to get past channel
channel liquidity limitations,

1111
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,939
where you can say, Okay, I've
got I've got things spread out

1112
01:14:56,939 --> 01:14:59,039
amongst multiple channels. I
don't have a single channel that

1113
01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:02,399
can hold the whole they can
handle their entire payment. So

1114
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,919
I'm going to batch I'm going to
I'm going to split it, and then

1115
01:15:04,919 --> 01:15:09,449
it'll reassemble it on the other
side. So the problem with AP is

1116
01:15:09,449 --> 01:15:13,409
that it's the support for it is
so spotty, that you get payment

1117
01:15:13,409 --> 01:15:14,609
failures all the time.

1118
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:17,850
Oh, yeah, that's okay. So it's
not widely adopted enough. I get

1119
01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:18,000
it.

1120
01:15:18,540 --> 01:15:23,190
Yeah, and I'm not sure if this
is where I'm getting off this

1121
01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:25,500
where I'm getting out of my
knowledge. I don't know if see

1122
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:32,220
lightning supports it or not. It
may still be l&d only All I know

1123
01:15:32,220 --> 01:15:34,530
is when you try to do app you
just cross your fingers and hope

1124
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:38,760
it works and half the time it
doesn't so so it's it's

1125
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,240
technically in the spec but
nobody's brave enough to use it

1126
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:42,480
yet.

1127
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:44,910
Right but it's something that
you it's a bit you flip on the

1128
01:15:44,910 --> 01:15:45,810
sending side

1129
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,680
Yeah, and it's got to be
supported it's got to be

1130
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:50,850
supported on the sender

1131
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:54,750
and the path and the and the
receiver everybody the whole

1132
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:58,200
the whole chain down the line
has supported Yeah, okay

1133
01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:03,660
good okay, well steady a steady
ahead, Captain Baynes.

1134
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:05,670
Steady she goes,

1135
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:06,660
she goes.

1136
01:16:08,370 --> 01:16:09,300
We want to thank some people.

1137
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:13,410
Yeah, let me talk about the live
booths that have been coming in

1138
01:16:13,410 --> 01:16:15,930
the booster gram since we've
been chatting appreciate that

1139
01:16:15,930 --> 01:16:20,040
everybody value for value,
you're soaking in it. This is

1140
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:23,310
this whole program this whole
project is run on people who are

1141
01:16:23,310 --> 01:16:27,150
interested in the project and a
part of it just looking in the

1142
01:16:27,150 --> 01:16:31,170
sidelines they get value from it
can't determine what their value

1143
01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:33,780
is or why they see value but
they got it and they're sending

1144
01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:36,420
it back. That's all we ask for
time talent treasure and the

1145
01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:40,350
booster grams are some real
treasure. Let's see we have here

1146
01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:45,690
while we've been alive in the
lit 4567 from see Brooklyn. I

1147
01:16:45,690 --> 01:16:50,310
think that's Carolyn. All right.
Here we go. She says give me the

1148
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:56,580
horn. I should have known that
was coming. This is the only

1149
01:16:56,580 --> 01:16:57,600
episode we're gonna do though.

1150
01:16:58,740 --> 01:17:00,330
No, no, we're gonna hide it.

1151
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:05,760
We got five sevens, the super
super striper booths from Mike

1152
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:12,390
Newman. I like this ship. He
says okay. Chimp 13,579 says

1153
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:19,950
boosting saves lives Sure does.
Boost them we have E podcaster.

1154
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,920
3000 SATs Thank you, Adam and
Dave for leading the charge. So

1155
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,620
podcasters like me can easily be
part of the value for value

1156
01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:35,310
model gold podcast, podcast. Sir
Spencer, big row a ducks. 22222

1157
01:17:35,310 --> 01:17:39,960
Yes, 22,222. That's a super row
of ducks. And he says I'm so

1158
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,720
grateful for the value for
value, lifestyle and mentality.

1159
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,950
It is an abundance mentality.
Most of the people who don't get

1160
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:50,340
it are stuck in a scarcity
mentality. And they can't see or

1161
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:54,270
quantify what V four v brings.
When we open ourselves to value

1162
01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:56,670
for value. We have received
value in ways that are hard to

1163
01:17:56,670 --> 01:18:00,360
quantify networking meetups,
lifelong friends gifts in the

1164
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,990
mail. Oh, yeah, I love those.
It's not as simple as just SATs

1165
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:06,840
and Pay Pal donations, it goes
much deeper and it changed my

1166
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:13,650
life for the better. Right,
amen. Right on.

1167
01:18:13,860 --> 01:18:16,560
That's, that's solid. You know,
honestly,

1168
01:18:17,339 --> 01:18:21,179
that's a great way to look at it
from an abundance mentality

1169
01:18:21,179 --> 01:18:22,829
versus scarcity mentality,

1170
01:18:23,339 --> 01:18:25,769
it's great, it's a great way to
look at it because I can, I was

1171
01:18:25,769 --> 01:18:30,959
thinking this morning, of all
the strong friendships that that

1172
01:18:31,859 --> 01:18:34,889
I can speak for myself. And for
you, too, I'm sure all the

1173
01:18:34,889 --> 01:18:38,969
strong friendships that I did
have created now in in the

1174
01:18:38,969 --> 01:18:43,889
podcasting world. And that's,
that's value for value. Because

1175
01:18:43,979 --> 01:18:47,999
we, we, because we're giving it
away, we're giving away our

1176
01:18:47,999 --> 01:18:51,959
value. And the value that part
of the value we're getting back,

1177
01:18:52,349 --> 01:18:55,229
or the salt or the solid
relationships with great people.

1178
01:18:55,259 --> 01:18:59,219
Exactly. It's me, you can't buy
that you that you cannot put a

1179
01:18:59,219 --> 01:18:59,969
price on that.

1180
01:19:00,780 --> 01:19:04,740
It's like no agenda. That means
especially with the meetups,

1181
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:07,080
with people who just organize
and hang out together this

1182
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:12,750
lifelong friendship to come out
of that. And just in a community

1183
01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:16,770
gets built around the media
property. I know wherever I am

1184
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,070
anywhere in the world, if I've,
if I have a need for something,

1185
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:23,250
if something's going on, all I
have to do is just you know, hop

1186
01:19:23,250 --> 01:19:26,430
on either Twitter or Well,
preferably no agenda, social,

1187
01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:29,940
even telegram group said, here's
what I need. And immediately I

1188
01:19:29,940 --> 01:19:31,860
have someone who knows someone
who could hook us up and do

1189
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:32,310
something.

1190
01:19:33,150 --> 01:19:36,480
You know, I feel that I feel
that way too. I've got some so

1191
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,720
many friends you know,
friendships of that are now on

1192
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,530
like, signal and podcasts and
social and I know that I could

1193
01:19:43,530 --> 01:19:49,080
probably be anywhere in the in
at least in the country, and

1194
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:51,300
somebody would be close enough
to help to help out with

1195
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:55,080
something. I mean, like it just
and that's not you can't put a

1196
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,670
tie. You can't put a price on
that. Which is

1197
01:19:56,670 --> 01:19:59,310
why I know that there's
designers out there for the apps

1198
01:19:59,580 --> 01:20:02,640
and stuff Spencer says Stop
talking like this is getting me

1199
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:08,040
misty eyed. Okay. Blueberry 2222
We tell people they are denying

1200
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,010
themselves half of our show by
using Apple because they won't

1201
01:20:11,010 --> 01:20:14,250
see the six to seven new pieces
of art we make for the chapters

1202
01:20:14,430 --> 01:20:22,860
salutely Absolutely. Blueberry
again 17,776 Here we go. Hi,

1203
01:20:23,130 --> 01:20:25,950
quote hi I'd like to take you up
on your offer to get help

1204
01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,640
onboarding to PC 2.0 but it's
way easier to sit here and bitch

1205
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,900
about YouTube taking my content
down. Exactly.

1206
01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:42,060
Okay, hello shot caller 20 is
Blaze only Impala

1207
01:20:42,089 --> 01:20:49,709
400,000 SATs from anonymous,
anonymous 400,000 SATs from

1208
01:20:49,709 --> 01:20:55,289
anonymous and all that anonymous
says go podcast a podcast a holy

1209
01:20:55,289 --> 01:20:58,589
crap thank you that came for
that came through curio caster

1210
01:20:58,589 --> 01:21:03,569
so I guess that's working now
400,000 on the counter zeros

1211
01:21:03,569 --> 01:21:04,739
Yeah 400,000

1212
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,950
saying anonymous I want to thank
that guy or that girl here we go

1213
01:21:15,780 --> 01:21:17,010
that's that's it. Thank you.

1214
01:21:17,310 --> 01:21:22,260
That's a big thank you. Thank
you. There you go. That was

1215
01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:26,490
great. Triple force from yell
dar pre boost. I listen to every

1216
01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:29,370
episode of podcasting 2.0 and
carefully followed development

1217
01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:32,280
of the project. You helped me
protect and develop podcasting

1218
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,270
in Kazakhstan. You're doing a
very important project thank you

1219
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:42,990
and go podcast podcast. Hello
Kazakhstan. Great success. This

1220
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:51,600
was a very bad Wow. The Kazuaki
and Maya in the house. Nice.

1221
01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:56,640
Yeah. All right. Well, so happy
to hear that you know, BUSA some

1222
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,040
more. Let us know what's going
on in Kazakhstan. How can we

1223
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,290
help more importantly, how can
we get an invitation to visit?

1224
01:22:01,890 --> 01:22:03,480
How can we get cheap gas please?

1225
01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:08,130
We want to jump in on those
riots. It looks like fun. You

1226
01:22:08,130 --> 01:22:12,000
guys did great work over there.
And by the way, screw the CIA

1227
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,360
debasing you guys. Sorry about
that. We're a hole sometimes.

1228
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,200
Then, let's see Dred Scott. Row
of sticks. Oh, this was a test

1229
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:28,080
1111 testing the booze and
100,000 SATs from Brando cellars

1230
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,600
from the sleek podcast. Throwing
that one

1231
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,650
for I'm Carla 20 is blade on am
Paula haven't

1232
01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:37,500
boosted in a while so I'm upping
my boost game first time

1233
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:42,060
boosting with POD verse on
mobile. Nice and nice, loving

1234
01:22:42,060 --> 01:22:44,940
loving seeing that work. And
it's something else just come

1235
01:22:44,940 --> 01:22:48,450
in. Yes. And a millennial is
listening with a super row of

1236
01:22:48,450 --> 01:22:54,600
sticks. 11,111 and no agenda
millennial says thanks for the

1237
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,190
RSS help Dave?

1238
01:22:57,780 --> 01:23:00,960
Oh, yes, yes, yes. You're
welcome. Yeah, wait, yeah. I've

1239
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,890
been really slow to respond to
emails, but I'm good. Because of

1240
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:07,320
the travel, but I'm getting I'm
getting them as quick as I can.

1241
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:09,990
Sorry. I was a little delayed
for a couple of days getting

1242
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:10,980
that fixed. But we got it.

1243
01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:15,180
Excellent. All right, let's
let's thank some of our donors

1244
01:23:15,180 --> 01:23:16,650
that have come in during the
week.

1245
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:22,920
Get a get some couple of big pay
pals Marco. As usual Marco

1246
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,000
coming in with 500

1247
01:23:25,230 --> 01:23:29,250
Shot copper plates on him Paola

1248
01:23:30,990 --> 01:23:33,690
and Buzzsprout $500. Wow.

1249
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,130
20 blades on I am Paula.

1250
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,380
Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

1251
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:47,520
Yes, that, that those those
donations, seriously, pay the

1252
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:52,950
bills every month. And in
rss.com. It also comes in on

1253
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:57,990
frequently with a with a huge
PayPal, donation, those, those

1254
01:23:57,990 --> 01:24:03,210
are the core of what we use to
pay the bills and the SAS,

1255
01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:08,190
always stay on the node. And so
that we can fund channels and

1256
01:24:08,190 --> 01:24:11,910
liquidity. We never take any of
the sets off off the node they

1257
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:12,510
stay there.

1258
01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:16,980
I should just add one more
thing. We Dave and I've both

1259
01:24:17,130 --> 01:24:20,610
desperately been looking you
know, we're very happy with with

1260
01:24:20,610 --> 01:24:26,490
other node and wallet providers
who are cropping up like Albie

1261
01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:30,780
and the other people on the
horizon. Because we knew, we

1262
01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:33,660
know inherently that having
everything centralized or one or

1263
01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:38,370
two can have problems. And we've
been maintaining a node that

1264
01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:42,060
we've been paying for. And we're
happy we did because some of the

1265
01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:45,180
problems we've seen over the
past few days with ln pay.

1266
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,870
Luckily, I think we're able to
migrate that to our node. So

1267
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:52,500
know that. And this is just
temporary for us because we

1268
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,870
don't really don't like that. To
be honest. If we don't like

1269
01:24:54,990 --> 01:24:57,600
being in charge. We don't want
money to flow. Yeah, we'd really

1270
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,990
don't want to do that. But we're
making we knew something like

1271
01:25:00,990 --> 01:25:04,650
this could happen. And damn, I'm
happy we did it.

1272
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:09,660
Yeah. Which is to be more
specific we pay we pay Tim each

1273
01:25:09,660 --> 01:25:15,090
month for for a node. And as
part of our, you know, our

1274
01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:18,480
hosting bills each month, we pay
him for node. But we've never

1275
01:25:18,510 --> 01:25:21,750
been it's always just been
empty. Yeah, it's always for a

1276
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:24,690
year, it's just been sitting
there doing nothing. And we were

1277
01:25:24,690 --> 01:25:25,980
like, you know, one day and

1278
01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:28,980
in a way, that's also because
he's been offering his node for

1279
01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:31,920
free. So I wanted to make sure
that he got compensated and

1280
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,280
didn't feel like he was just
doing stuff for people without

1281
01:25:35,310 --> 01:25:37,770
getting any real value back and
don't think you charge anyone

1282
01:25:37,770 --> 01:25:39,270
anything at any point.

1283
01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:43,650
Yeah, I mean, it's it honestly.
Honestly, Tim has been doing

1284
01:25:43,650 --> 01:25:48,780
this as a charity. Yeah, for
real for a long time. And we, we

1285
01:25:48,780 --> 01:25:51,960
told him straight up, we were
like, you know, Hey, you gotta

1286
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:56,370
get paid for this. I mean, we
don't, this is not, you need to

1287
01:25:56,370 --> 01:25:59,340
be supported. And, you know, we
asked her like, hey, you know,

1288
01:25:59,340 --> 01:26:02,490
how much how much is your host
cost each month, you know, and

1289
01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:04,380
he told us, and we're like, what
that's, that's what we're going

1290
01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:07,080
to look at given you, we just
want you, we want you to break

1291
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,260
even at least, then you can go
make money off other customers

1292
01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:12,300
and that kind of thing. But we
want to at least make sure that

1293
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,320
you're not doing this at a loss
or for charity. Right. And so

1294
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,500
then that and that's, so then
when all these problems happen,

1295
01:26:19,620 --> 01:26:22,590
he was able to quickly migrate
everything off of the broken

1296
01:26:22,590 --> 01:26:27,840
node onto our node, and didn't
really miss a beat and like it

1297
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:28,980
picked up pretty quick.

1298
01:26:29,010 --> 01:26:33,030
Yeah, it did. But of course, the
node has a different node ID. So

1299
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:35,550
some wallets tend to change. And
that's something we got to

1300
01:26:35,550 --> 01:26:37,710
figure out how we how best to
migrate that.

1301
01:26:38,820 --> 01:26:42,630
Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll have a
lot to talk about that. Luckily,

1302
01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:45,750
there's not a lot of receiving
wallets on there. So that's

1303
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:46,140
good.

1304
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,770
Yeah. But like, we have
sovereign feeds in our block,

1305
01:26:49,770 --> 01:26:54,300
which has to change. And Dame
Jennifer, I think she needs she

1306
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:55,320
needs to change.

1307
01:26:55,860 --> 01:27:00,930
And also, Alex, ping me this
morning about Mark Hall. I think

1308
01:27:00,930 --> 01:27:03,660
Mark Hall still saw that so as
well, that needs to change.

1309
01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:04,050
Yeah.

1310
01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:07,170
And Mark Hall is going to be
important pretty soon as we get

1311
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,920
a DM tag rolled out. I talked
about it the other day. Okay,

1312
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:17,250
he's super excited. You know, he
talked to Richard Linklater, Sir

1313
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:20,880
Mark is, you know, he's a
filmmaker. He I think he's also

1314
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,790
in some import export business,
you know, maybe with Afghanistan

1315
01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:26,250
or Panama. I'm not sure you
know, one of my criminal

1316
01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:30,840
friends. But he's a filmmaker
and so he's very in tune for

1317
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,270
decades with the Austin film
community. You know who Richard

1318
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:36,180
Linklater is right? He's like,
he's very, very, very famous

1319
01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:37,050
filmmaker.

1320
01:27:37,650 --> 01:27:42,660
I thought, Is that related to
Art Linkletter? No. I'm thinking

1321
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:43,500
of different people.

1322
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:48,900
It's actually things link later.
Let me just see, let okay, I'm

1323
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:52,110
misspelling it okay. Yeah, no,
it's that's my fault. So a

1324
01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:55,440
couple of his movies. So this
and I'll tell you what he said.

1325
01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:58,920
And he just released one called
Apollo 10 and a half, which is

1326
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,300
on Netflix, I would advise it's
rotoscoped. So it's something

1327
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:05,010
that's it's fun to watch.

1328
01:28:05,970 --> 01:28:07,470
released this or renowned

1329
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:10,350
No, no, that's that's Linklater
released that Okay. Okay.

1330
01:28:11,010 --> 01:28:19,590
Slacker. One of his movies. Of
course. Ah, one of the boys

1331
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:23,970
life. Which one won the Oscar?
No, they filmed over 12 year

1332
01:28:23,970 --> 01:28:27,660
period. You remember that? And
they had all the actors and they

1333
01:28:27,690 --> 01:28:30,900
they filmed them throughout the
12 years the making this movie?

1334
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,390
Now you don't know what I'm
talking about? If it's not a

1335
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,210
Marvel Cinematic Universe, you
don't know what it is. Dave? Is

1336
01:28:36,210 --> 01:28:36,780
that what it is?

1337
01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:38,460
Yay. I'm better a

1338
01:28:41,790 --> 01:28:46,530
flag on the disproportionate use
of force. Unnecessary roughness?

1339
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,950
Yes. Yeah. Oh, boy. Hood was
called boy hood. That's what it

1340
01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:53,880
was called. Okay. Boy hood.
Yeah. Anyway, so he says,

1341
01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:58,320
streaming world is all messed
up. He says, we don't know where

1342
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,390
we're going to, we don't know.
And where we're going to make

1343
01:29:00,390 --> 01:29:03,540
money. theaters are broken. We
can't get into them. No one

1344
01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:08,310
cares. The big streaming
companies no longer have the

1345
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:11,580
budgets they had. So certainly
when it comes to, you know,

1346
01:29:11,580 --> 01:29:15,090
smaller independent films, which
is classified as up like 10 or

1347
01:29:15,090 --> 01:29:19,620
$12 million, we have no place to
go. And Mark's been evangelizing

1348
01:29:19,620 --> 01:29:24,750
value for value. Oh, yeah. Nice.
So, you know, I'm okay. Maybe,

1349
01:29:24,750 --> 01:29:27,780
although maybe we'll be able to
get more into those circles. But

1350
01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:30,780
documentaries, especially, I
mean, and there's a lot of

1351
01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:33,630
people making quote unquote,
documentaries, you know, and I'm

1352
01:29:33,630 --> 01:29:36,090
thinking I love documentaries,
I'm addicted to them. But

1353
01:29:36,090 --> 01:29:38,910
there's a lot of people who make
documentaries, you know, just

1354
01:29:38,910 --> 01:29:42,870
for online, you know, for bitch
shoot or whatever. These things

1355
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:46,440
are also valid. These are the
these are great things to jam

1356
01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:47,220
into a feed.

1357
01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:51,990
I got a buddy who invests in
documentaries, and he because he

1358
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:55,380
said there's some sort of is
something under the under Trump.

1359
01:29:55,860 --> 01:30:01,500
It may be in the that and early
on. Tax cuts and Jobs Act the T

1360
01:30:02,010 --> 01:30:06,480
TCGA. Or whatever ja, ja. I
think it was something to do

1361
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:11,790
with that, it changed the tax
law where you could boost up the

1362
01:30:11,790 --> 01:30:16,200
amount that you deduct for
investing in a Hollywood film.

1363
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:22,740
You know, like, it really raised
that. So it brought in a lot of

1364
01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:25,920
investment, but with the
investment in but the net like

1365
01:30:26,850 --> 01:30:30,390
it became Netflix became the big
buyer of all these

1366
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:33,030
documentaries, because they
would just pay they would pay

1367
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:37,500
you cash, you could just cash
out your long term earnings went

1368
01:30:37,500 --> 01:30:43,980
down, but you could just have an
immediate buy. And then now with

1369
01:30:43,980 --> 01:30:48,660
Netflix going down the tubes,
damn sure that money is is

1370
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:54,600
becoming much more selective and
less abundant. So it's it's one

1371
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,270
of those things where you come
in you got the you've got this

1372
01:30:57,270 --> 01:31:01,680
new player that comes in and
just distorts the market. And

1373
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,460
now then they bail out
essentially or they can that in

1374
01:31:05,460 --> 01:31:09,810
now is left it sort of feels
like it's left a hole a crater

1375
01:31:10,170 --> 01:31:13,800
where as I guess what I'm saying
is I understand what he's saying

1376
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:13,980
well,

1377
01:31:14,369 --> 01:31:18,179
here's here's what I did. Here's
when I'm reading the reviews on

1378
01:31:18,179 --> 01:31:20,999
the new Act are mixed is from
2018 According to those in the

1379
01:31:20,999 --> 01:31:26,969
filmmaking business in all says
CPA Fred Segal the new tax bill

1380
01:31:26,969 --> 01:31:29,849
is not a good thing for
filmmakers. It's muddled not as

1381
01:31:29,849 --> 01:31:34,379
modeled as people think. There
are some good parts and bad

1382
01:31:34,379 --> 01:31:37,109
parts. Okay, so this is why we
don't understand is this

1383
01:31:37,109 --> 01:31:42,029
confusing? Yeah. Anyway, that'll
be something that back to

1384
01:31:42,029 --> 01:31:45,569
thanking people. I guess we got
stuck there. Sorry about that.

1385
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:51,990
And we've got we got some
booster grams. We'll see here.

1386
01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:57,630
10,000 SATs for Chad Pharaoh. He
says it's a hackathon not a hive

1387
01:31:57,630 --> 01:31:58,140
Athan.

1388
01:32:01,470 --> 01:32:02,820
Trouble looking for trouble.

1389
01:32:05,340 --> 01:32:11,940
Let's see Mike Newman. One. C
1000. Is this these big row

1390
01:32:11,940 --> 01:32:17,730
sticks? Just I can't even speak
of 111,111 sat

1391
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,520
ball for that call out 20 blades
on am bollocks anything

1392
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,500
over 100 ks gotta get gotta

1393
01:32:25,530 --> 01:32:29,040
Oh, yeah. Yes. He's a slacker,
boosted by the end of the show.

1394
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,260
Great to hear Dame Jennifer
bring some sunshine to the

1395
01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:32,550
boardroom. Go podcasting.

1396
01:32:32,580 --> 01:32:36,480
Yeah, podcast. It was great to
have Dame Jennifer on the show a

1397
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:37,830
lot of good responses to that.

1398
01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:41,580
That was a great episode. I had
a lot of fun. George Orwell.

1399
01:32:42,270 --> 01:32:46,860
1111 SATs and he says I am
Justin Trudeau.

1400
01:32:46,890 --> 01:32:47,640
Yes.

1401
01:32:49,140 --> 01:32:51,420
So George Orwell is Justin
today.

1402
01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:52,440
Just so you know.

1403
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,670
Normally, I routed something
like 10 payments every minute

1404
01:32:56,670 --> 01:33:00,060
from Ellen pay to podcasters.
Since yesterday, I routed one

1405
01:33:00,060 --> 01:33:03,150
payment per minute, the logs
look okay, so I think it has

1406
01:33:03,150 --> 01:33:06,780
something to do with an L with
ln pay and their node. Yes, it

1407
01:33:06,780 --> 01:33:07,200
did. So

1408
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,770
first of all, thank you very
much. George Orwell, Justin

1409
01:33:10,770 --> 01:33:16,650
Trudeau. Because your channel to
my my Umbral actually was good

1410
01:33:16,650 --> 01:33:20,280
because I still was receiving
boosts because you provided a

1411
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,630
path when there was trouble with
the Elon pay bad of course,

1412
01:33:24,630 --> 01:33:29,310
because I didn't notice shit was
wrong. And I apologize for force

1413
01:33:29,310 --> 01:33:31,530
closing on you as I was trying
to figure it out. And he was so

1414
01:33:31,530 --> 01:33:34,860
kind just wait until I had all
my crap figured out and you just

1415
01:33:34,860 --> 01:33:37,440
reopened another channel and
he's everywhere. He's got

1416
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,860
channels to all kinds of places
that are showing up. So these

1417
01:33:40,860 --> 01:33:43,590
are also people that provide
tremendous value by putting

1418
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:46,860
their own liquidity up to help
podcasting route and we really

1419
01:33:46,860 --> 01:33:47,580
appreciate it.

1420
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,000
I mean, he's a he's a famous
author and a prime minister at

1421
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:51,510
the same time,

1422
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:55,410
everywhere right,

1423
01:33:55,919 --> 01:34:00,569
George Orwell back 1111 SATs
again he says I noticed that

1424
01:34:00,569 --> 01:34:04,439
your node Adam as an inbound
liquid as an IT no inbound

1425
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,589
liquidity liquidity with zero
base fee.

1426
01:34:07,980 --> 01:34:11,370
Yeah, that was he was looking at
it when I was having problems.

1427
01:34:11,850 --> 01:34:17,400
Okay, all right. So those
troubleshooting message 8008

1428
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,490
Boob donation from Chad Pharaoh.
He says the SATs for fountain to

1429
01:34:20,490 --> 01:34:22,890
animate a new agenda are
probably from people watching on

1430
01:34:22,890 --> 01:34:27,360
YouTube or in a tube and using
fountains to send a boost. I

1431
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,360
hear this quite often on live
shows and I think people are

1432
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,970
just used to using fountain
descent SAS so that's what they

1433
01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:39,690
do. Interesting. 8008 boot
donation from mere mortals

1434
01:34:39,690 --> 01:34:42,540
podcasts from our buddy car and
he says, I don't think creating

1435
01:34:42,540 --> 01:34:46,320
a podcast for each project is
great. sounds tedious all around

1436
01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:51,360
an alternative idea. Have a
special episode with splits

1437
01:34:51,690 --> 01:34:53,790
where the four projects perhaps
within?

1438
01:34:55,410 --> 01:34:59,010
This is for the for the
hackathon hackathon hackathon.

1439
01:34:59,010 --> 01:35:02,640
Yeah, I obviously You can about
that, too. I, that may be a good

1440
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:07,410
idea. But you know what, we'll
wait for the pimp manager, the

1441
01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:12,390
pimp of the deed for the
database, what is dame de

1442
01:35:12,420 --> 01:35:16,590
Jennifer pimp? DE DE database?
We'll wait for her to come back

1443
01:35:16,590 --> 01:35:18,960
with her recommendations. But I
think that's very valid. There's

1444
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,890
lots of good ideas, but it's in
her capable hands. So she'll

1445
01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:24,990
come back with questions or with
ideas.

1446
01:35:25,649 --> 01:35:29,639
We'll, we'll figure that and
probably it's really going to

1447
01:35:29,639 --> 01:35:31,889
come down to just not voting
with money because that's just

1448
01:35:31,889 --> 01:35:38,489
too probably. Yeah. I think
that's where I've landed. Arbor

1449
01:35:38,489 --> 01:35:41,489
citadel 100,049 sets.

1450
01:35:43,230 --> 01:35:47,280
Shot kala 20 blades on am Paula.

1451
01:35:48,180 --> 01:35:51,000
Any says Where can i Since
that's for the hackathon?

1452
01:35:56,190 --> 01:35:58,410
I don't know. Yeah, we can't
figure that out.

1453
01:35:58,770 --> 01:36:03,240
Can I just interject real quick.
interject, please. From Casta

1454
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:11,190
Matic. 333,334 SATs from Dred
Scott boosting for the DJ air

1455
01:36:11,190 --> 01:36:24,120
horn fine. He followed up with
22,222 to ask if I got the

1456
01:36:24,150 --> 01:36:29,970
boost. Yes. Yes. Thank you.
Thank you very much.

1457
01:36:30,180 --> 01:36:36,840
Okay. The Teacher here warned
that they had made my day. This

1458
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:41,100
sunshine in this room right now.
Yeah, now what really happened

1459
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:44,820
is anonymous came in with
400,000 and Drib. It pissed me

1460
01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:46,650
off because that's my that's my
turf.

1461
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,770
Exactly. Yeah, don't mess with
Batman.

1462
01:36:50,370 --> 01:36:57,000
Don't Don't mess with Bruce
Wayne. Se jet. And uh, Jean

1463
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:01,050
Everett sent us through
fountaining sinister with 3333

1464
01:37:01,050 --> 01:37:02,430
sets and he's just says boost

1465
01:37:02,430 --> 01:37:04,020
Yo yo, boost.

1466
01:37:05,550 --> 01:37:11,160
Gene ever again. 33 333 through
fountain he says Dame Jennifer's

1467
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:16,320
the guest what? Boost boost gene
from our mock Oh, that's from

1468
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:17,460
Aisha Armand friend.

1469
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:22,110
Yes. Yes, my were the hot the
curry homesteaders. And Jean is

1470
01:37:22,110 --> 01:37:24,180
very familiar with the curry
family apparently.

1471
01:37:24,900 --> 01:37:30,690
Okay, just just another another
spooky, spooky. Spooky central a

1472
01:37:30,690 --> 01:37:35,220
normal grid layer. James Crillon
send 1001 SATs. He says so

1473
01:37:35,220 --> 01:37:38,130
excited to hear that Pocket Cast
is interested in podcasting. We

1474
01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:42,030
know. Yes, they are. I love that
app. And I would move back and

1475
01:37:42,030 --> 01:37:44,910
would move back to it in a
heartbeat. Go podcasting go

1476
01:37:44,910 --> 01:37:45,600
podcast.

1477
01:37:46,620 --> 01:37:49,350
I would say it's not just Pocket
Casts. I would say they're

1478
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:51,900
interested in the namespace
across the board in general.

1479
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:55,950
Yeah, Wordpress, all of it.
Yeah. We got to figure out how

1480
01:37:55,950 --> 01:37:58,590
to get the podcast namespace.
And Tumblr though, that that's

1481
01:37:58,590 --> 01:38:00,990
that's a weird one. But we'll
figure it out. We're going to

1482
01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:09,720
see John cIgi 4761 SATs through
the Python boot app. That's his

1483
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,990
new as his new app. He says Hi,
Dave, and Adam and listeners of

1484
01:38:12,990 --> 01:38:15,570
podcasting. 2.0 Thanks to
booster grams, I can actually

1485
01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:19,620
say these value tokens have your
name on them, unlike Fiat fund

1486
01:38:19,620 --> 01:38:22,380
coupons, where defacing them
with any message is a federal

1487
01:38:22,380 --> 01:38:26,910
offense, right? Anyway, I
encourage anyone encourage

1488
01:38:26,910 --> 01:38:29,670
anyone that isn't already
listening to causality to visit

1489
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:33,510
engineer dot network, as we
analyze what went right, and

1490
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:36,810
what went wrong, and we discover
that many outcomes can be

1491
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:40,890
predicted or planned for and
even prevented, and you too can

1492
01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:44,190
decide if listener if the
listener that called me a dreamy

1493
01:38:44,190 --> 01:38:49,830
narrator was right or not. John
is a dreaming narrator. He's got

1494
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:53,010
his he's got to sleep podcast.
His sleep podcast is really

1495
01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:56,580
funny. Because he reads super
boring engineering stuff. How

1496
01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:59,910
cool like, like he'll read the
manual from the original Apple

1497
01:38:59,910 --> 01:39:05,160
TV, or something like that.
Yeah, like that. Yeah, it's or

1498
01:39:05,310 --> 01:39:10,620
chapter three of Fortran. You
know, it's like sexy. That is a

1499
01:39:10,620 --> 01:39:16,860
good way. That is a an example
by John of how to do a in an in

1500
01:39:16,860 --> 01:39:21,030
podcast advertising spot
correctly through Busta Rhymes.

1501
01:39:21,419 --> 01:39:24,869
Yes. Very good way. And I wanted
to mention that we also hung out

1502
01:39:24,869 --> 01:39:30,509
a bit with John Spurlock. We did
Greg was a super nice guy. And

1503
01:39:30,509 --> 01:39:32,519
look out people he's building in
an app.

1504
01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:36,000
Oh, is he and he's got heat into
it. Yeah, he

1505
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,640
said okay, so what is the way to
do a man because you know, he's

1506
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,820
clearly a billionaire. One of
those aren't like this. Oh,

1507
01:39:41,820 --> 01:39:44,970
yeah. Cool. Dudes, you know,
just like and you can see it.

1508
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,420
It's the subtle things of how he
dresses like okay, I see you

1509
01:39:48,420 --> 01:39:52,650
bro. I think he has a yacht. I'm
pretty sure he has

1510
01:39:53,340 --> 01:39:55,920
yacht advice. The thing about
the Super about the super rich

1511
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,340
is they always they actually
they dress down they dress

1512
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:04,560
always the guy with the plastic
bag. The rich guy. Anyway, so I

1513
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,290
said, Why don't you do it? Yeah,
I'm working on it. I'm thinking

1514
01:40:07,380 --> 01:40:10,650
about it as thinking about an
app and how I'm going to do it

1515
01:40:10,650 --> 01:40:13,260
and like, oh, man, okay, I'm
interested to see what you're

1516
01:40:13,260 --> 01:40:14,040
going to come up with.

1517
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:21,300
Sir Doug 5000 SATs. Sorry for
the break, my wallet ran dry,

1518
01:40:21,300 --> 01:40:24,510
and it took a while to get
around to refilling. Musa Oost.

1519
01:40:25,980 --> 01:40:30,690
See 220 2222 for Macintosh. He
says, Hey, gang, great episode

1520
01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:33,750
with David, Jennifer, your
conversation about about a

1521
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:37,320
boosted question about taxes got
me thinking? Is there any code

1522
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,300
available to handle the
accounting of all these flying

1523
01:40:39,300 --> 01:40:42,030
sets? Oh, well, listeners don't
have to manage at all, of

1524
01:40:42,030 --> 01:40:44,940
course. But the podcasters
really should I mean, I can

1525
01:40:44,940 --> 01:40:48,060
throw the IRS a fiver and call
it a day, because that would

1526
01:40:48,060 --> 01:40:50,910
cover all my support. But some
people do actually create real

1527
01:40:50,910 --> 01:40:55,290
amounts of SAS is there is is
there. If there isn't anything,

1528
01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:59,370
I might be able to jump in and
work on it. I mean, I would say,

1529
01:40:59,580 --> 01:41:02,100
if you want to jump in and work
on anything, please do it.

1530
01:41:02,490 --> 01:41:08,910
Because here's what we use is
called balances Satoshis. And

1531
01:41:08,910 --> 01:41:13,440
it's a node app that just pulls
every transaction off of your

1532
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:22,380
node. And, and puts it in dumps
out a bunch of CSV files. And it

1533
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:28,140
makes a call to coin desk or
coin Gecko or one of those to

1534
01:41:28,140 --> 01:41:31,860
get the fair market value at the
timestamp that those sets came

1535
01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:37,050
in. And that's what you need. So
you need for every, for every

1536
01:41:37,290 --> 01:41:41,430
batch of sets that come into
your node, you need to declare

1537
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:46,650
what the fair market value is in
your local currency at that

1538
01:41:46,650 --> 01:41:51,360
moment, so you need, you know,
some API for historical lookups.

1539
01:41:51,930 --> 01:41:58,020
And belsito Satoshis is fine.
Except that our node is so huge

1540
01:41:58,020 --> 01:42:08,190
now. That it it's been run I've
been trying to dump. May, June

1541
01:42:08,220 --> 01:42:13,560
in July. From from it and it's
been it's its own July now.

1542
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,300
We've been running for six days.
They didn't have they call them

1543
01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:24,990
dumps big, massive dumps. I
literally was running node out

1544
01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:29,010
of it was running no JS out of
memory. Yeah, I had to upgrade

1545
01:42:29,010 --> 01:42:32,430
the node to get more RAM. It's
crazy. So

1546
01:42:32,460 --> 01:42:36,330
no one was Bellway. No one was
ever expecting this use case,

1547
01:42:36,810 --> 01:42:39,810
obviously, or they had no idea
or the no one thought through

1548
01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:44,610
it. And I have to say lightning
labs doesn't seem that they care

1549
01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:45,300
much about it.

1550
01:42:46,380 --> 01:42:51,510
They're, they're doing database
improvements. And I cannot wait

1551
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:54,660
for 15.1 because that's going to
make evidently supposed to

1552
01:42:54,660 --> 01:42:58,020
shrink the size of the database
way, way, way down. And we

1553
01:42:58,020 --> 01:43:00,270
really, I mean, we need that we
need that value.

1554
01:43:00,330 --> 01:43:04,410
I can't I can't get I can't
export from I mean balance of

1555
01:43:04,410 --> 01:43:09,780
Satoshis. If I just want to run
a report for three days, takes

1556
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,040
30 minutes.

1557
01:43:11,850 --> 01:43:14,100
Yeah, I mean, it's literally
it's been running for almost a

1558
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:16,830
week. Yeah, just to export
amounts of data.

1559
01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:19,890
And it can timeout at any
minute. We're breaking

1560
01:43:19,890 --> 01:43:23,790
five oh, threes all the time.
Macintosh, if you want to write

1561
01:43:23,790 --> 01:43:26,580
a better accounting package,

1562
01:43:26,730 --> 01:43:30,420
did you value for that? I'd send
you value for using that.

1563
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,990
Oh, heck, yeah, I'd pay for it
all day long, I'd add I'd pay

1564
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:41,340
$200 right now for that. Because
it, it literally half the time

1565
01:43:41,340 --> 01:43:46,380
just doesn't even work. Anyway,
so it's more than just Just FYI,

1566
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:50,940
to dig deeper on this for just
one second. It's more than just

1567
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,260
the booster grams and stuff when
you run your own node, which are

1568
01:43:55,260 --> 01:44:02,670
running is a lightning node that
can receive SATs, sin SATs, and

1569
01:44:02,670 --> 01:44:09,090
forward SATs as a relay. And if
you make if you have income from

1570
01:44:09,090 --> 01:44:14,130
routing fees, yet, you know
that's got to be declared to not

1571
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,530
not many people are going to
have that. But if you if you do

1572
01:44:16,530 --> 01:44:21,450
have routing fees, that's also
income. And it's also a Bitcoin

1573
01:44:21,450 --> 01:44:24,240
node, every lightning node is a
Bitcoin node. So you have

1574
01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:29,070
incoming and outgoing on chain
transactions also. So you really

1575
01:44:29,070 --> 01:44:31,650
need something that's going to
find all that information is

1576
01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:36,030
there, it's all in l&d. So you
can you can export it all so you

1577
01:44:36,030 --> 01:44:39,630
have to do all of those. You
can't just say, Okay, here's all

1578
01:44:39,630 --> 01:44:42,240
the histogram donations that
came in, unless that's all you

1579
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,580
unless that's literally all
you're doing. And that if that

1580
01:44:44,580 --> 01:44:47,820
is that's fine, but if your node
has lots of channels, and you're

1581
01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:53,610
doing your routing, you gotta
have that too. So just FYI. See,

1582
01:44:53,610 --> 01:45:04,650
sir Doug again. 5000 SAS he says
for Dame Jennifer s SL C SLC ls

1583
01:45:04,650 --> 01:45:13,080
l certainly LC LC is e s e l s e
Okay. SLC sin is 3333 sets is

1584
01:45:13,140 --> 01:45:15,120
and he or she says pew

1585
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:21,060
pew on was my pew I lost my pew
I've been so obsessed with the

1586
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:21,450
horn

1587
01:45:23,310 --> 01:45:28,320
the horn is very obsessive.
Alright, Mike Dell sent us 3333

1588
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,690
He says Did it work this time?
Well yes it did.

1589
01:45:32,130 --> 01:45:35,010
Oh, I was just looking at it
because you're so right. I

1590
01:45:35,010 --> 01:45:37,830
looked at the tally coin because
it podcast index.org You can

1591
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:42,360
also send us Fiat the donate
button donate the donate button

1592
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:46,440
the yes please don't donate but
you can have a donate. That's we

1593
01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:52,710
got a tallyho boost 96,263
Unfortunately, I don't know who

1594
01:45:52,710 --> 01:45:56,250
it's from. And a second one that
tallyho boost this and the

1595
01:45:56,250 --> 01:46:03,600
previous tallyho was Dred Scott
again latest 72,002 This he's

1596
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,410
given well over a million SATs
for this episode. Good God

1597
01:46:07,410 --> 01:46:10,800
Almighty dread dread. Thank you,
man. I got it. Let me give him a

1598
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,830
little special. Hop on dribblers
riding

1599
01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:19,770
lightning round the Lightning

1600
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:21,000
Lightning boost.

1601
01:46:22,590 --> 01:46:26,550
Pocket parlay sent us 3000 sets
I liked that name by the way.

1602
01:46:26,910 --> 01:46:31,260
Pocket. Yeah, good work, guys.
As always, can I get a JC D

1603
01:46:31,260 --> 01:46:32,280
boost please?

1604
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,820
Well, the JC D boost always
comes in three boost boost

1605
01:46:35,820 --> 01:46:36,900
boost. You got it?

1606
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:44,070
Mike Dell 3333 He's back. Yo Yo.
He says I'm now the podcasting

1607
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:46,200
2.0 Project Manager at blueberry

1608
01:46:48,930 --> 01:46:54,690
boost and so that's official.
It's an official. I love it.

1609
01:46:55,650 --> 01:46:57,120
We'll send you a nameplate my

1610
01:46:58,830 --> 01:47:01,380
business card to get new
business cards. What is this

1611
01:47:01,380 --> 01:47:03,300
podcasting? 2.0 manager,

1612
01:47:03,870 --> 01:47:09,090
project manager project manager.
Dirty Jersey whore 18,000 to

1613
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:15,840
18,008 says boobs plus boost
cleaning out my wallet Just

1614
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,180
thought I'd drop by and sling
some stats your way go

1615
01:47:18,180 --> 01:47:21,690
podcasting. Wow. Whoa,

1616
01:47:21,870 --> 01:47:25,020
I didn't mean to do that.
accident

1617
01:47:25,650 --> 01:47:30,600
is the robbery pads that gets
you exhausted cash sticky. I

1618
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:35,670
Satoshi I Satoshi with you. Send
us 500 SATs and he says thank

1619
01:47:35,670 --> 01:47:37,140
you for all your podcasts.

1620
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,390
We're happy to produce all of
them. Yes. Our pods

1621
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:48,630
pod Martin Linda scogs in 1776
SATs he says I'm testing a

1622
01:47:48,630 --> 01:47:51,600
booster gram via pod verse for
the first time Liberty boosts

1623
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,190
1776 Set Satoshis 50 SATs go
into the app as default setting.

1624
01:47:56,340 --> 01:47:59,160
I look forward to testing out
the live item tag Sunday Martin

1625
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:02,940
Linda Skog Lyceum para Pitocin.
Twitch.

1626
01:48:04,170 --> 01:48:07,500
This is actually cool. Now I
know that pod verse doesn't do

1627
01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:09,840
that per minute streaming.
They're working on that because

1628
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:14,970
of player things. But in the in
the interface, when you set it

1629
01:48:14,970 --> 01:48:20,760
up with your lb wallet, you have
an amount for the boosts. And

1630
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,010
then although it's unclear if
it's an addition or if it's

1631
01:48:23,010 --> 01:48:25,800
separate, I think it's an
addition. Then you can

1632
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:28,740
separately and I think the
default is 50 sites you can

1633
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,460
boost 50 sites to the app to pod
verse every single time you

1634
01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:36,630
boost greatly. That's do it. You
can configure it. Great way to

1635
01:48:36,630 --> 01:48:39,660
do it. So it's so it's not
defined in the split. It's

1636
01:48:39,660 --> 01:48:43,560
completely separate. It's clear.
There's a suggested amount you

1637
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,950
can do whatever you want. Great
idea. I like that. Yes. Yeah,

1638
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:49,560
that's that's perfect. And it
works because you see someone

1639
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:50,160
understood it.

1640
01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:57,480
More does podcasts back 1111 111
He says your boots on the ground

1641
01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:00,510
report from pm 22 was
surprising. Adam. I hear a lot

1642
01:49:00,510 --> 01:49:04,170
about woke stuff, but just don't
see it much here in Brizzy. Hope

1643
01:49:04,170 --> 01:49:05,910
you guys had fun anyway. Oh,
yeah.

1644
01:49:05,940 --> 01:49:08,700
Oh, no. We had a lot of you
kidding me? I got 35 minutes of

1645
01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:10,440
free content out of that is
great.

1646
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:14,970
We had a great time. Yeah. That
was a bonus. That was a bonus.

1647
01:49:15,749 --> 01:49:19,799
No, and, and again, it just
showed me that we the escape

1648
01:49:19,799 --> 01:49:24,629
hatch we've built is here. It's
on time. We made it. People

1649
01:49:24,659 --> 01:49:28,889
People have an alternative path.
And it's clear. And if you went

1650
01:49:28,889 --> 01:49:31,109
during lunchtime to the small
conference room around the

1651
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:32,999
corner in the back, you might
have found out about it.

1652
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,790
People People should not have a
center at their conferences

1653
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:41,700
because every time we show up,
controversial things happen. We

1654
01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:44,340
went to the Bitcoin Miami
conference and Jack Dorsey got

1655
01:49:44,340 --> 01:49:47,160
accosted on stage by a state
senator.

1656
01:49:48,030 --> 01:49:51,480
Do you want the wrong kind of PR
for your conference invite Adam

1657
01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:52,200
and Dave?

1658
01:49:52,350 --> 01:49:57,990
Yes, yes. Brian of London and
have Dao send us 46,972 SAS the

1659
01:49:57,990 --> 01:50:01,710
fee for V app yo yo says You've
probably answered this already.

1660
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,950
I want to hear about pod ping at
webcast movement. Shabbat

1661
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:05,520
Shalom.

1662
01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:08,400
Shalom. Yeah,

1663
01:50:08,430 --> 01:50:10,680
we have we've already talked
about it already given that give

1664
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:15,660
a little pod pink talk earlier.
Thank you, Brian. Lyceum 1776

1665
01:50:15,660 --> 01:50:19,140
Liberty boost, and he says I'll
send a big baller histogram next

1666
01:50:19,140 --> 01:50:23,610
time it has a reference to
bowling. It is time to strike

1667
01:50:23,610 --> 01:50:26,940
out some stuff in PC pedosphere
With better arguments and

1668
01:50:26,940 --> 01:50:29,910
intellectual ammo. Thanks for
standing up for freedom of

1669
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:32,730
expression. Your work is
positive fossil fuel for my

1670
01:50:32,730 --> 01:50:36,720
soul. That's premises Martin
lindskog from lecien para

1671
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,290
pentose on Twitter. Thank you.
Thanks, Martin. Appreciate that.

1672
01:50:40,290 --> 01:50:43,950
55 feet fast that's from
Pfeiffer from the folk hour. He

1673
01:50:43,950 --> 01:50:49,530
says go podcasting go podcast
that that boost came in through

1674
01:50:49,530 --> 01:50:52,740
the into the podcast in this
website. Oh cool

1675
01:50:52,740 --> 01:50:56,280
that we're working on it from
everywhere. It is working. Love

1676
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:56,460
it.

1677
01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:00,330
River River City mystery. sent
us 10,000 SATs nice

1678
01:51:00,330 --> 01:51:01,440
thank you very much.

1679
01:51:02,129 --> 01:51:06,089
Oost go podcasting Matt the
river city mystery podcast

1680
01:51:06,299 --> 01:51:15,869
podcast. Be glass to send his
3223 through fountain. And he

1681
01:51:15,869 --> 01:51:17,669
says this is a boost for Dame
Jennifer.

1682
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,590
Oh, very nice,

1683
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:20,430
basically,

1684
01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:21,750
or should we do?

1685
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:29,670
Here's your cue to boost you
know you want to stay tuned next

1686
01:51:29,670 --> 01:51:34,410
week. For the math. The math
jingle yo yo 2110 For Moritz

1687
01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:38,670
from lb o do the pet podcast in
this website. He says where's

1688
01:51:38,670 --> 01:51:40,410
the hackathon man?

1689
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:44,910
stamp on standby two weeks is
more than two weeks standby

1690
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:52,890
be glad to send us another 30 to
23 for Dame Jennifer thing he

1691
01:51:52,890 --> 01:51:59,550
says oh wait that's me. I was so
as a test boost for me. And then

1692
01:51:59,550 --> 01:52:03,870
we got 4554 from Nomad Joe
through fountain Nene says eat

1693
01:52:03,870 --> 01:52:04,590
more beef

1694
01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:10,110
we need a cow a cow boost a cow
boost.

1695
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:14,970
And we got the delimiter comma
straight blogger area 15,033

1696
01:52:14,970 --> 01:52:20,190
sets he says howdy Dave and M
next time you go to Podcast

1697
01:52:20,190 --> 01:52:23,280
Movement conference and you need
person of color due to diversity

1698
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,820
quota. You can take me my skin
color is pink. It's like big

1699
01:52:26,820 --> 01:52:32,490
skin color. Okay, anyways,
anyways, you're warmly welcome

1700
01:52:32,490 --> 01:52:36,120
to listen to our podcast called
AI dot cooking narrated by

1701
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,510
Gregory William Forsythe Forman
from can't just type in your web

1702
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:48,660
browser or podcast app AI dot
cooking forward to your bycatch.

1703
01:52:49,860 --> 01:52:53,490
I don't think pink is what
anybody has in mind. But thanks

1704
01:52:53,490 --> 01:52:54,360
for the offer chemistry.

1705
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,720
Totally, totally appreciate it.
Thank you all thank you all so

1706
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:03,240
much for providing the value. It
helps the trip cost money. So

1707
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,420
thank you very much for helping
out. We did buy a couple of

1708
01:53:06,420 --> 01:53:09,390
drinks for people although a lot
of people bought us drinks too.

1709
01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:13,770
So we weren't like loser heels
you know we actually we

1710
01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:17,760
participated in the in the value
exchange. So thank you for

1711
01:53:17,790 --> 01:53:23,130
supporting our trip here and for
supporting podcasting 2.0 It's

1712
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:26,970
It's humbling is beautiful and
we are a prime example of the

1713
01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:30,030
escape hatch open wide for
anybody to jump through it if

1714
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Thank you James $50 Who

1722
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thanks yeah, thanks

1723
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:03,930
Duane. Goldie is good see him in
person by the way is good night

1724
01:54:03,930 --> 01:54:05,970
you guys had a nice chat with
him last night about some

1725
01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:08,280
what is the what is Dwayne
doing?

1726
01:54:09,420 --> 01:54:11,850
Oh, no, no, no, no, I asked him
about James. Oh, okay.

1727
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:16,470
Oh, yeah, that was James. James
is tall. He was really tall.

1728
01:54:16,980 --> 01:54:20,430
He's a very tall man. Rob
greenlees tall. Is he told her

1729
01:54:20,430 --> 01:54:22,950
the new six eight.

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Good God Almighty,

1731
01:54:25,050 --> 01:54:28,830
you know, forget me. Greenlee
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1732
01:54:28,830 --> 01:54:31,050
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Yes, yes, you do. If you if if
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1734
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:43,500
going to be all sinners. We have
no point guards. We're just

1735
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:46,470
a bunch of other guys around us.
Yes.

1736
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$11.14. Michael Gagan $5 and

1737
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1738
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Thank you Sean Christopher
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1739
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$5. Jordan Dunnville $10.02.
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1740
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Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Dred
Scott again, $15. Man, thank you

1741
01:55:14,010 --> 01:55:19,200
so much, Miller $20 and Lesley
Martin $2. Thank you to

1742
01:55:19,230 --> 01:55:19,830
everybody.

1743
01:55:20,490 --> 01:55:23,760
Really appreciate it. Good value
for value. Good week, I'm glad

1744
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:28,530
we came. I'm glad we got to see
everybody. I think the big

1745
01:55:28,530 --> 01:55:31,830
benefit was hanging out with
people that we're working with,

1746
01:55:32,010 --> 01:55:34,950
or people are interested, we
could do this without it being

1747
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:39,840
necessarily a conference. And,
in fact, there's so many

1748
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,180
different ways we could meet
periodically, which I think is

1749
01:55:42,180 --> 01:55:46,050
really good to just start
looking at you can't do on on

1750
01:55:46,050 --> 01:55:49,170
Mastodon or email or even video
calls. You know,

1751
01:55:50,250 --> 01:55:54,720
I'd love to just have like a
podcasting to meet up, ya know,

1752
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:59,580
once a year, so just just and
not and just jettison the live

1753
01:55:59,580 --> 01:56:04,080
music and the salespeople. Just
just ever meet up and do it and

1754
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:06,630
just do it. Just have some good
conversation and some and some

1755
01:56:06,630 --> 01:56:11,070
food. Yeah. And just talk about
stuff for a day. That would be

1756
01:56:11,070 --> 01:56:12,600
much more enjoyable to me,
actually.

1757
01:56:12,630 --> 01:56:14,970
Oh, I totally agree. And if we
do it in Vegas, then we can get

1758
01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:16,350
hookers and blow at the same
time.

1759
01:56:17,670 --> 01:56:19,050
There's a lot of good boosts
that come out of that.

1760
01:56:23,940 --> 01:56:27,390
All right, ma'am. So what are
you doing today? Because I'm

1761
01:56:27,390 --> 01:56:31,170
gonna, I'm gonna have fun on out
of here. I'm gonna go home,

1762
01:56:31,170 --> 01:56:33,510
spend the night with my wife.
Tomorrow. I'm driving back to

1763
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:37,440
Austin for bit block boom, which
I committed to and you know,

1764
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:41,190
Gary Leland, the old podcast
medical guy who sold the

1765
01:56:41,190 --> 01:56:44,100
conference, he started bit
block, boom. He's asked me for

1766
01:56:44,100 --> 01:56:47,220
years. I've always weaseled out
of it. I tried to get out of it

1767
01:56:47,220 --> 01:56:53,310
again this year. I really did.
But no, I I owe it to him. And

1768
01:56:53,310 --> 01:56:56,160
it's good for us. Because there
will be people there that you

1769
01:56:56,160 --> 01:57:00,390
know, are interested in what
we're doing. But yeah, so I'm

1770
01:57:00,390 --> 01:57:03,330
just and then I'll be very, I'll
be very tight. Yeah, I'm bailing

1771
01:57:03,330 --> 01:57:05,700
out tonight. So I'm sorry. What
do you got any? You're gonna

1772
01:57:05,700 --> 01:57:08,130
hang with you got anyone? By
basically are you going to be

1773
01:57:08,130 --> 01:57:09,420
okay, if I leave you alone?

1774
01:57:09,900 --> 01:57:15,780
I'll be okay. I'll be okay. Now
I get I'm gonna go hang out.

1775
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,570
First thing I'm going to do is
eat because I'm freaking

1776
01:57:18,570 --> 01:57:19,290
starving and

1777
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,100
not eaten. Well, no. I'm gonna
go

1778
01:57:23,130 --> 01:57:26,190
get some food. And then I'm
going to meet up with John

1779
01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:29,070
Spurlock. I think cool. He said
he wanted to talk about some

1780
01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:29,520
stuff.

1781
01:57:29,550 --> 01:57:31,860
Yeah, but if you watch you watch
him

1782
01:57:33,540 --> 01:57:38,160
talk about some stuff and then
just say you know, say goodbyes

1783
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:43,110
and stuff. I'm me. I'm trying to
decide and decide if I want to

1784
01:57:43,530 --> 01:57:47,640
leave early tonight and Dinges
like split the difference like

1785
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:51,540
maybe drive for hours tonight
crash somewhere underway. Crash

1786
01:57:51,540 --> 01:57:54,570
get around a roadside hotel and
then do this do the next leg

1787
01:57:54,570 --> 01:57:58,710
tomorrow morning. That would get
me back earlier than like five

1788
01:57:58,710 --> 01:58:00,120
o'clock in the afternoon
tomorrow.

1789
01:58:00,750 --> 01:58:05,790
Yeah, you know it's you whatever
you want to do do it and I think

1790
01:58:05,790 --> 01:58:08,940
we can agree the board and
management of which you are

1791
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:14,280
equal shareholder will approve
this prove this is a huge

1792
01:58:14,700 --> 01:58:20,460
expense. Double approved. We we
we actually did that on taxes.

1793
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,910
I'm going to order that shitty
breakfast burrito room serves

1794
01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:29,730
Yeah, I'm doing the same
approved approved okay. We're

1795
01:58:29,730 --> 01:58:32,580
careful with the with the
community funds here. You know,

1796
01:58:32,850 --> 01:58:36,270
we it's highly appreciated. What
comes in there's no frivolity

1797
01:58:36,300 --> 01:58:36,840
involved.

1798
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,690
No, none. All right. Well,

1799
01:58:39,690 --> 01:58:44,010
you say goodbye for anybody I
didn't see and tell him. Yeah,

1800
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:47,850
had a good time. Yeah, Dynamite
was great. Third time in our

1801
01:58:47,850 --> 01:58:49,560
lives, we've actually been
together in the same way.

1802
01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:52,710
It was really good. It's amazing
that we've done so much crazy

1803
01:58:52,710 --> 01:58:54,210
crap and we've only met three
times

1804
01:58:54,270 --> 01:58:58,230
just goes to show. Yeah, safe
travels, safe travels my brother

1805
01:58:58,230 --> 01:59:00,600
right at me. Hi, everybody.
Thank you very much for being

1806
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,870
here once again for the board
meeting of podcasting. 2.0 We

1807
01:59:03,870 --> 01:59:06,870
will be back next Friday. Please
join us William till that

1808
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:07,770
everybody bye bye.

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