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podcasting 2.0 for August
12 2020 to Episode 97 Forever 15

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Well, hello everybody, welcome
to the board meeting for

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podcasting. 2.0 your weekly
vitamin pill if you're into

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podcasting, I guess it's like,
you know, carrots and tomatoes

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and everything in one little
dusty bill. That's right. We'll

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bring you up to speed and
everything happening with

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podcasting 2.0 Whatever is going
on at podcast index dot social

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and I am Adam curry in the heart
of the Texas Hill Country in

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Alabama. My master of the
slideshow deck say hello to my

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friend on the other end, ladies
and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.

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It's like a V eight. It's like
drinking a va a VA. Every

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Friday.

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That's what it is. Remember
those? My mom used to drink V

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aids.

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The AIDS are super gross. Yeah.
And but they're not as bad as

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Komodo. Do you remember?
Clemont?

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No, I don't remember Komodo this
sounds like Chlamydia is

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a horrible name for for drink.
It's terrible. It sounds like it

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sounds sounds like an STD. And
it tastes like an STD. It's

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tomato juice with clam juice
mixed in.

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Oh yes. I do know Komodo Yes.
Yes. I do know this. That is a

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horrible drink.

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Oh, yes. Well, I don't know what
it I mean, like, who sat around

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it? Man.

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I thought I could tomato.

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Juice is not as it's not. It's
not super terrible. What can we

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do to push it over the edge to
make it undrinkable

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some clam sap in there.

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And we want a We want your visit
to the bathroom later to be

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equally horrible. I never told
you. I just it just dawned on

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me. I never told you. My story
here comes and ever told you my

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story about what happened with
the chickens? About three weeks

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ago when I had that. You know I
did that thing with radio Inc.

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With Ed Ryan. Yeah, his how to
make real money. Right?

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Right. Yeah, it's a very blatant
title is what I was gonna say

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yes. How To Make Money With pot
how to make real money with

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podcasting. Money.

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I love the I love the title. I
love how it's just like, it's

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just you know, pulls no punches.
It's like, come and make huge

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sums of money or something like
that. So I did it on my lunch

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break. And like I normally do
these things. And I wasn't

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thinking so we've got we've got
chickens in the backyard. Well,

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I mean, they're in a coop. And
so Melissa had started letting

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the chickens out to roam around
the yard a couple of days before

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that. So we're trying to sort of
train them in to be in you know,

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like some yard chickens. And I
come in, and I'm not you know,

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typically what I do is I come
in, and I for lunch break. Just

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eat something as fast as I can
just consume it as quickly as

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possible before I jump on the
podcast or an interview or

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something. And so I'm not
thinking straight. I'm eating at

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the same time and I let the dog
out. I let banjo out. Oh, into

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the backyard. Yeah. And then I
close and I'm in Okay,

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how many how many minutes did it
take before you realize you're

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about 30

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seconds. I was like, Oh crap. So
I run out the back door and he's

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got one of the chickens pinned
down by the wing sniffing it

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like ready to just eat? Yes.
Yeah. The nowadays Yes, exactly.

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And you know go in there and
just you know not you know,

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knock him and get him out I'm
like yeah, you get away from it.

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Well then these two other chicks
the two we get three the two

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other chickens. They freak out
and bail out start running

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across the yard. Well he takes
off after they're taken off

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after him and this is 110 pound
dog right? Yeah,

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he's well over 100 pounds. It's
about 100 degrees outside now

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but and I'm running after about
five minutes I managed to

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finally get my head

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over here you are the dog is

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we're close enough finally get
my hand around his around his

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collar in and I'm able to you
know to wrestle him back in

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here. And then it's like
literally like 30 seconds before

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I'm supposed to jump on with
Edie. I come in, come over here

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and sit down and it's like,
boom, love. I mean, this was

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like, I cannot believe I didn't
look like a complete disaster.

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Oh, how did it go? went great.
It was fun to email you later

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and say Hey, thanks, man. I'm
making money.

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Now they didn't actually it's
funny enough they didn't I

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haven't gotten any emails
interesting. That didn't the

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date the next day. The hall gate
one of our chickens so oh

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goodness. The lead them out in
the backyard experiment didn't

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last very long.

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Yeah, he was sorry. I'm sorry to
hear that. So are you are you

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down one chicken so you still
have two left yet? Chicken down.

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And I had chickens. I had
probably about 10 or 12

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chickens. I had the castle and I
had goats and shit. And our dog.

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Oh yeah. of goats the worst.
Yeah, it's

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just funny how you said, the
castle. Castle. We

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all know it used to be rich, you
know? And then I spent it all

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on, you know, chickens, goats,
castles, helicopters, you know,

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stuff like that. One does don't
feel bad. I had a good time.

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I really did. Those 40s were a
blur.

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Exactly. It was a good estimate.
We it really was it was 30 3040.

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And, you know, the chickens. You
know, Christina, my daughter,

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she was probably about 1314 at
the time. And we said that let's

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go, you know, this whole idyllic
thing. Let's go get some eggs

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from the chickens like, oh,
yeah, we walk with a little

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basket and go do chickens are
mean bastards. They're terrible.

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They hold your hand like not at
all, like in the in the in the

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in the fairy tale book, you
know? No, no, don't

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love you. They love you. Yeah, a
buddy of mine has chickens in

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his, his. He had a bunch of
them. And his dog is his son at

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a date coming over. And he was
like, first time ever, you know,

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like this blind date. And so
then they go, that is dark. And

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he's like, hey, I want you to
you know, once you see my chick,

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and she's, they were talking
about how many chickens they

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had. And things like, Come Come
back here. And look, it's really

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cool. So they go, he takes her
in the backyard, and they have a

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flashlight and everything.
They're gonna show him all

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because they had like 15
chickens, gets back there, a

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raccoon had gotten in goodness.
And it was just feathers and

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blood and guts. He was like, Oh,
my God, this is horrible.

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Yes, there's somewhere there's
an analogy in there for

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podcasting. I haven't quite
figured it out yet. Chicken 2.0.

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Well, you know what came first
chicken or the egg. And I'm

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gonna make a bold prediction.
I'm also going to say that I've

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really been paying attention to
the hosting companies, and the

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speed of development, the amount
of development and I've

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mentioned it before, we have a
competition going on. Now people

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are seeing that these are
standard items, you have to have

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your podcasts on podcasting 2.0
features, I think by this time

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next year, so that'll be what is
it, August 12, Apple will have

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declared the namespace in their
product. And they will be using

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probably chapters. And the
reason to get us to get a pin I

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gotta read. Sure. Put it put it
in our blue book. And the reason

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for this is very simple. This is
always the problem. This is the

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chicken in the egg of these
types of situations. But now we

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have thanks to the app
developers. We have receivers,

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we have radios, we have apps
that understand these features,

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and there's people using them.
But more importantly, now we

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have hosting companies who are
offering this content,

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additional content, and any
product manager, any product

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manager will eventually say, you
know, there's enough people

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using this that we should
probably integrate some of

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these, which ones are we going
to do? And I'm telling you and

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and an apple would be smart to
do it because they can

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differentiate because Spotify is
stuck in their own internal

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processes. You know, Spotify
will say Oh, yeah, don't make

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translators. You know, those
will take the namespace data and

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we'll change that into our
Spotify spec. And whatever

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anchor is going to create. I
feel very comfortable making

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this prediction, this
prediction. I really do. I can

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see the writing on the wall and
and then then we all need to pat

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ourselves on the back and go,
Oh, shit, we have this power all

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along.

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That's what Well, that's what
hasn't done it. Isn't that what

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we've been saying since the
beginning? Everybody has this

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power. Yeah,

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that's why I'm coming. I'm
preparing everyone for the I

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told you so.

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Oh, okay. Everybody. Yeah, no,
no, like this. That's a bold

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prediction.

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And everyone can be really proud
because it's there. It's done.

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You know, it's gonna happen,
it's inevitable, it's

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unavoidable. And even Spotify,
you know, they, again, they're

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stuck in their internal
processes and beliefs, etc. But

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we have some massive lift off
here. I mean, just step back and

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look around and see what's
happening when you have hosts at

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the level of rss.com and
Buzzsprout. But you know, also

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transistor and captivate and,
and you have, let us know the

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blueberry and has dos Castillo's
Lind let's not forget who's our

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French friends I keep
forgetting. Oh cast apod cast

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the pod Yeah. spod cast Oh pod
which is basically hosting

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company in a box. We're creating
the car Vantage is being created

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the it's almost like, I mean,
you see it with everything when

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the capability is offered at
scale, which now the content is

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offered at scale Hans, I

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can yeah

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dog sorry, she, she liked the
chicken, she's I'm done with the

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chickens.

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Definitely Nima she the dog,

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our dog is also over 100 pounds,
it's just and I leave the door

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open. And she can't quite get
through without her side

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scraping the door, you know, but
she could push and it would

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open. She won't do it. She just
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I can't do it.

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100 pounds, she could go through
the door with a when it was

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closed, if you want to do
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My dog has not figured out that
he could get anything off the

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counter that he wanted. It just
doesn't make sense to him. I

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mean, he could easily just pill
for everything and the whole

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package.

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So look at browsers, you know,
look at the many projects that

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have shaped what browsers are
today. Now it's all extra

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features. Its entire, you know,
programming languages have been

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added to browsers. So this this
will have this will happen to

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all apps. It's it's a done deal.
It really is. And I'm so proud

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of everybody. Really is so
fucking proud. I can't explain.

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It's so it's so cool. Yeah, I
did use done it.

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Did you see that? Listen notes
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that maderos posted this so Oh,
interesting. Just a minute.

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Well, I mean, it's on their
side. The one question I have

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is, it says at the bottom that
coming in fall, sign up for the

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pre waitlist. It's coming in
fall of 2022. But we're already

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we're already way beyond fall of
2022. So I don't really know if

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this I don't know what the
status of this thing is. But

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supposedly it's free.

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I don't Well, you don't have to
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you I know you and everybody has
mixed feelings about free.

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It's that and it's also you
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had time to digest it because
he's, he's posted this morning

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and but I don't know, something
makes me uncomfortable about

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director directories also doing
hosting. Okay, it's sort of like

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that. Well, I mean, same with
Apple. But it makes me

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uncomfortable that Apple is
doing hosting. You know, they're

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they're hosting Moravec feeds
for subscriptions. Rick, if this

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was that, I think I would be a
little bit less concerned by it.

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If it was like, Oh, hey, we're
gonna be oh, what I mean,

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because they're because they
will won't expose feeds or

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something like that.

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Well, yeah. Okay. So this is an
AP. No, it's not it's not that

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it's just that listen. So
listen, notes is a is an AP on a

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directory just like podcasts
index. Aha.

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No, not just like pod Well,
expert. Okay.

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Understand? Yes. Correct.
Correction. They listened notes

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is a directory and API in the
vein of podcast index, okay. And

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I don't know that it is just
something about it. I don't know

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that it feels appropriate for
the day, he would be like it

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would be like if the if the
library also published books.

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What you know, what, are they
going to put their stuff at the

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end? They're gonna give their
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Yeah. That bothers more

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here. Well, all right.

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Because you Okay, well, okay, I
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Well, I'm gonna say this.
Anybody who is thinking of

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getting into the hosting game,
you are insane. It is very, very

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difficult to run a good hosting
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your bandwidth management.
Certainly if you are expecting

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to have big hits, and you are
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is you're dealing with people
who are almost on par with ham

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radio operators when it comes to
time suck. And, and education

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needs. These are people company,
they really are people company.

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And you know, so you know, why
does everybody have Why does a

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Buzzsprout have a podcast? Why
does Lipson have a podcast? Why

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does blueberry have a podcast?
This is all part of it. You know

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Todd Cochran? spends half his
day talking to podcasters you

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know, onboarding, you got to go
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presence. I mean, this is not
just oh, we'll just turn Yeah,

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well, it's kind of the reverse
of value for value in the ask,

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you know, if, if you're not
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here it is, we're free, you're
gonna get a bunch of shit.

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You're just gonna get shit. And
then and so but now you have to

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weed through shit to help people
who don't understand anything.

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Which kind of which if you don't
mind, moves me to marketing.

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Okay, because I want to talk
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marketing of the of podcasting.
2.0 Yes,

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you know, podcasting, 2.0
marketing, explanation,

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education, the things that
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incessantly the stuff that we're
really good at this, that we are

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no good at. And, and you and I
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And we said, let's just see if
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happens. So I want to make it
clear, it is my belief that

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podcasts index has no need to be
marketed, it does not need to be

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a destination site does not need
to be an education site does not

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need to be anything other than a
pointer to apps, services,

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develop developers and other
relevant resources. Okay. So

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just like everything else, in
podcasting, we need to

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decentralize this. And I have,
of course, we will support

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anybody who sets up an
informational site, or an

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educational, so any, anything
you have, will point to it, you

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know, we'll, we'll, we'll make a
page and here's more

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information. So if people
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index.org they can find it. But
we have so many people who don't

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know, Dan J. Lewis, this is why
I think I finally got him to

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understand, like, why don't you
just set something up, call it

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podcasting 2.0 education in your
butt.com. And then we'll point

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it that actually don't, and then
we'll point to it and make a

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great kick ass explanation. But
you know, when we get into,

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let's divide the brands of the
into, I don't give a shit we

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don't have we don't care. We
don't care. This is not a

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business. It's a resource, its
love of and long, long, long

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term, maybe we'll get some SATs,
that'll be worth something one

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day. That's it. And everything
else is to serve the podcast

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industry, no podcaster needs to
come to us to understand how to

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do this, because they're not
gonna get they're never gonna

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get anything. And we can't
design this by committee, you

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know, make it and I want
Cridland to make his own kids

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and does this all his own new
podcast apps version, and this

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is fine. It doesn't have to be
one central place where then we

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we already saw pull requests, it
doesn't really work. You know,

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make it a testing ground for
stuff. You know, I love what

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comics or Blogger did with the
with the boosts with using the

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value block from the website and
Albie. So thanks for that to

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five other sites. No,

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Steven B. That was always even

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me. I'm sorry. So but but you're
right. Regardless, there's no

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third party sites. It's all
first party information. If

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you're involved in this write
it, you know, I want to have a

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definitive pod pain page that
explains everything I know who

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should write it. You know, let's
have all that and let's let's

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point to those pieces like a
directory does, because that's

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what we are.

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I've got I've got thoughts.
Okay. And these thoughts came

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from the recently now completed
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podcast. Do you have

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a slide for me, which is just
how to make money?

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Yeah, no, you have one slide in
the presentation is this slide

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number two? It says intro dadada

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perfect. Exactly what I wanted.
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And the other 41 slides or me or
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slides. You're never

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gonna make it. I'm gonna do it.
He watched me watch. We're gonna

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make an okay. Practice. Don't
put on a damn clinic. I'm gonna,

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no I haven't practiced at all
I'm gonna wing it. So, but my

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thoughts from from the from
putting this thing together is

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it's what I had to the structure
of it is going tag by tag and

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saying, Okay, here's the tag and
I built an infographic for it.

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infographic. Okay, saying
infographic gives it way more

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credit than it deserves.

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Is it two circles? Is it a box?

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It's things I'll show you but
Okay, so I did, I did a little

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graphic for each for each tag
and showed shows how it works

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trying to visualize things. And
Steven B, says, nobody's claimed

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a podcasting education in your
book.com yet, so go grab there.

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So we, so it's just slide slides
or take this form, tag in tag

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with, with a graphic, maybe a
couple of bullet points. And

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then an example, like a
screenshot. Working through that

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process made me think, okay, a
really good site, marketing, PR,

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whatever you want to call us. If
there was a website that was say

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that catered to developers, and
and podcasters, who wanted to

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find out about each individual
feature, you could have a site

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that did that, in which it has
some graphics, a clear plain

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English explanation, links to
the developer resources for how

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to build it, some example code,
sure, and then, and then some

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screenshots and like that would
be one page, one page for each

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tag. Sure. That that's, then
that's do and then you can link

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it in, you can get fancy in and
put some sort of get, we put

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some sort of GitHub action on
there. When we finalize the tag,

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it automatically generates a
static HTML out of it or

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something like that. You knock
yourself out. It's all there.

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And so the second part of what I
was going to say to bring this

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full circle the hosting
companies they are first contact

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they are they the front office
for podcasters. And forget about

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what we're doing. You know,
forget about Casta pod people

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forget about sovereign feed
people like myself, hosting

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companies, they have hundreds of
1000s of customers. And we're

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gonna build a website somewhere
over here. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

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which by the way, is okay
because maybe they'll point to

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it, maybe there's some some
great resources that are they

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can use and they can lift and
they can transmogrify, but I

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know Buzzsprout speaks
differently to their, to their

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clients, then blueberry, they
just speak different languages.

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So those are the guys that they
are the educators. They are. I

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was listening to pod land, and
EVO taro was co hosting. And he

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said, you know, he's really into
value for value stuff. He loves

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it. And he says, You know, I was
I use fountain now exclusively,

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and I was listening to all these
fiction podcasts. And I

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realized, it was so horrible
that none of my favorite fiction

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podcasts were value for value
enabled, and I was so bummed

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out. And so I'm boosting this
show, saying, Hi. Please contact

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the podcast host, and alert them
to this wonderful thing. And you

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can say podcaster wallet.com.
You can say fountain.fm. You

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know, you can point to different
hosting companies. You know,

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obviously, we know that rss.com
now has it integrated, and

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others. This is this is how it
works. And we all have that

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responsibility. And that needs
to be on someone's website where

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they explain what we're doing is
like, how does how does it work?

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Well, you know, if you hear
someone who doesn't have it, and

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you listen to a podcast, tell
them send them here. So, just so

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everyone knows, I'm way okay
with it. You know, don't sit

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around waiting for Dave and Adam
to do anything because, and we

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do everything by the seat of our
pants. We have no fucking plan.

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No, none. We've never had one.
If not, our plan is 30 days out,

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you know, that's it? Do we have
enough money for 30 days? Okay.

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So that's, that's our plan. And
we're not planning any

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marketing, we're not planning
any of it, it doesn't make sense

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for us to be doing it. Nor does
it make sense for it to be at

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this place. Well, as a pointer,
of course, but you know,

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everyone needs to point to
everything, since we have so

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many talented people who can
hopefully everyone can get over

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the hump of, you know, there
doesn't have to be one official

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version of this, you know, I can
already see how Daniel's is

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gonna be different from James
and I can see how this will be

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different. I can see how what
you just described maybe Alex

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gates gives a shot at that, you
know, or someone who's just

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listening who wants to
contribute and help out being

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these are all great things that
we can do. And if we can get

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over the it has to be one
official thing, which doesn't as

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far as I'm concerned, then we're
good to go.

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That's part of value for value
is that it doesn't have to be

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one is so none None of this is
none of this is licensed. We

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don't you know, we don't own No,
we haven't trademarked any of

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this stuff is like just take
take all the podcasts and 2.0

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graphics and pocket that he'll
take our podcasts index. And all

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that nature. I just do

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the whole thing off our hands
please set it up somewhere else

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run it on your metal.

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Yeah. Hey, where yourself you
know knock stuff out. That's

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it's all great with us that no,
James, on the last episode

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episode of Caitlyn said that we
were said that you and our

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teenagers?

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Yes, I heard that. Yeah. Hello.
Hello.

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Now this is a new revelation.
Wow. Okay,

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I know it's like, Oh, gee.

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Yeah, my, my wife could have
told you that years ago. No, no,

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it's 100%. Right. That means the
excellently named pimp podcast

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and yeah, is, is only that's
only one component of the

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teenager pneus of this entire
endeavor. The other component is

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we don't make any plans yet.

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And because we don't make plans,
and because you know, we're just

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doing this cuz it's good is the
right thing to do. Well, let us

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have some fun. joke around a
little bit. Yeah, Dad. Come on,

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man. I'm trying to be real
professional.

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So I would like to talk for a
moment. Yes. About Satoshi dice

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dream. Oh, okay. Can see because
this fits in with just go do

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some stuff. Okay. Satoshi.
Satoshi dice. Yeah, I love that.

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Nobody knows who this person is.
They don't know if they don't

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know the, the gender of this
person. It's this person is just

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known as Satoshi dice tray. Yes.

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I'm not even sure that this
person likes us really.

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I'm inclined to think that they
do not but it's a

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Dutch person. I'm pretty sure

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is it easy to Okay. I feel like
it's hard to determine whether

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or not Dutch people like you
from their tone of voice in

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English

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or RX they come across as very
harsh.

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What what is that is that?

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Well, first of all, they live
underwater practically so

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they're stressed. Okay. That
makes a lot of sense. You know,

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they're farmers are their
farmers are blocking the

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roadways. So they throw in turds
on the capital. Yeah, it's a

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country you know, they are the
narco capital of the European

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Union. So I don't know there's a
lot of things but it's it really

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is just the way they speak
English and just comes up to

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Carl he just comes across just
comes across his very harsh

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they have definite like like
downstrokes on the ending of the

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things they say is that is that
the language has

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something to do with the
reversal of words and when so I

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have I have been to my
grandmother's I can't even do it

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right but everything is
backwards so somehow on the

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unscramble it and put it in the
right order it just comes across

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as harsh okay, but they're not
because the Dutch are fantastic

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people that very very loving
when you break through the what

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you think is a harsh shell, but
they're pretty cool. So, but not

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this guy, whoever this person
is, this person is just a jerk

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sometimes.

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Yeah. Absolute douche Satoshis
dot stream. He emailed me said,

437
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feel free to share this in
podcasting. tupuna Oh, okay. So

438
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:44,190
he said you finally have some
time to wait, constitution,

439
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:45,150
industrial comics,

440
00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:47,100
comics are bloggers actually,
Satoshi.

441
00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:51,900
Now that would be a heck of a
reveal. Right? Wouldn't

442
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:53,490
that be an eye opener? Yeah.

443
00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:57,900
Finally says finally have some
time to work on Satoshi stream.

444
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,600
Again, don't expect too much too
soon. But I'm working on a web

445
00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:04,950
version. Oh, it also supports
multiple nodes on our side for

446
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:07,980
load balancing. So I said our
Okay, so there's more than one

447
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:13,050
person involved? He says and it
means we do not need telegram

448
00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:14,430
anymore to manage podcasts.

449
00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:18,990
Thank goodness. Yeah, that was
the one downside to do not like

450
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:20,820
using telegram. Yeah.

451
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:23,460
And he says working on some back
end things. Now the endpoints

452
00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:26,280
seems to work and he gave some
other stuff. So anyway, that's,

453
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:31,470
that's cool. Very cool. So we'll
have another easier option

454
00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:35,220
because I've always felt I
always felt weird about telling

455
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:39,330
people to go to telegram because
it seems so scammy Yeah,

456
00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:41,970
telegram is where all the NFT
crap happens and people get

457
00:29:41,970 --> 00:29:42,750
their money. So and

458
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:48,240
I'm always getting chicks. DMing
me? Yeah, German chicks. And of

459
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,810
course, it's all the same Indian
dude, or the guy from Nairobi or

460
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:57,090
whatever. Nigeria Nigeria.
Report. Yes, yes, Ty it's

461
00:29:57,090 --> 00:30:01,200
annoying. It's tiring. That's
very cool. I presume this is

462
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,240
part of what Alby is kicked off,
you know, I'll be somehow they

463
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,610
did something just a little
different than I think it's

464
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:11,550
great. They picked up to Elon
URL protocol and really ran with

465
00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:14,580
it. Because that's like Elon
bits. That was one of the things

466
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:16,770
we looked at in the very
beginning. It's like, holy shit,

467
00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:18,840
there's a lot you can do these
little apps, you can build

468
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,980
yourself and set it up with its
own separate little wallet on

469
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:24,870
your node. You know, I always
thought that would be something

470
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:29,310
that was cool. Yeah, for sure.
So now to have Satoshi stream

471
00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:32,040
doing that is very smart in
general. I also wanted to say

472
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,990
for, for app developers, I think
what, I'm not sure, but I think

473
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:40,800
what pod verse has now done, in
which the App Store accepted in

474
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,240
testflight, is you hook up your
Alby node after you get the app

475
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:45,690
right.

476
00:30:48,210 --> 00:30:51,360
Which is what they always
wanted. That's That's what and

477
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,680
that makes so much sense.

478
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:56,220
Yeah, it does. Because there's
no there's no,

479
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,110
there's no no violation possible
for the AppStore. Exactly. And,

480
00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:04,560
and pod verse doesn't have to
worry about ever being, you

481
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,770
know, a claim that they are
messing with keys or miss right?

482
00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:11,940
coins or whatever. Yeah, that's
great. I did I haven't had a

483
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,920
chance to play with it yet.
Because it has happened so soon

484
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,370
before the show. But have you
been stuck? Did you install it?

485
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,960
No. No, I don't have iOS and,
and even then I'll still have to

486
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,010
wait. Once it hits the Google
Store, then I have to wait a

487
00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:30,150
couple of days. And then I can
get it through? What's that? The

488
00:31:30,150 --> 00:31:35,580
spoof? This is pretty cool spoof
store for graphene spoof store.

489
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:41,730
Yeah. So you don't have to have
any of the Google Play services

490
00:31:41,730 --> 00:31:45,810
on your phone. And you use I'm
sure it's insecure Aurora store.

491
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:52,560
And so Aurora store masks itself
as a valid user. And then you

492
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,220
can you can download the apps
that are in play store. That's

493
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:57,180
pretty cool. Actually,

494
00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:58,260
that's interesting.

495
00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:01,950
I hope it's, it's, it's
reasonably secure. I don't know.

496
00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:05,070
I mean, you still don't know
what an apple do. What an app

497
00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:08,520
mean, and of course, you know,
stuff like backup to Google

498
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Drive. And that's, that doesn't
work. But generally, the apps

499
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,460
will run

500
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:17,249
chance that you log into Albion,
the pod verse app, and then it

501
00:32:17,249 --> 00:32:23,129
acts just like another plug into
that. Oh, yeah, that's like,

502
00:32:23,579 --> 00:32:25,349
there was something back on the
test flight, I don't think I'm

503
00:32:25,349 --> 00:32:25,769
only reading

504
00:32:25,770 --> 00:32:29,160
something else. I also wanted to
mention, I finally read through

505
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:36,180
the Tarot white paper. This is a
lightning labs thing that they

506
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,890
that they announced they got the
$75 million investment and part

507
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:44,340
of what they were doing with
that money is Taro, which is a

508
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:50,040
new protocol for multi asset
Bitcoin and lightning. And was

509
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,890
very interesting about this.
And, and at first, I was like,

510
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,470
Oh, I don't know if I like this,
I'm not quite sure. But then,

511
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:59,100
when I really dug into it, it's
quite interesting, the way

512
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,070
they've done this, and I'm still
not, I'm still unsure of the

513
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:05,430
legality, because it's kind of
what Brian of London has done

514
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:11,250
with hive. So over the Lightning
Network, you could pay a hive

515
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:16,500
node in hive, and say, Alright,
I want this to go to Dave in

516
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:23,010
hive. And it'll go through this
exchanger node, which will turn

517
00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:26,160
it into Lightning Lightning then
finds the route to another

518
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,910
exchanger node on the other end
for you to receive I wonder if

519
00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:33,540
it could be the same one. And
and then of course, the

520
00:33:33,540 --> 00:33:38,400
settlement ultimately takes
place over on chain wants the

521
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,450
channels close, etc. But
likewise, you could send $10 In

522
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:48,990
hive and it goes straight into a
US dollar wallet on the other

523
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:54,150
end $10 or with whatever minimal
lightning fee and so the more I

524
00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:58,740
thought about it, the more I'm
like oh, you know, that may not

525
00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:02,340
be bad for us. If people can
literally just hook it up to

526
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:07,020
their bank account or you know,
some other type of Fiat account.

527
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:12,450
I'm good. So my understanding of
it was that you can use it

528
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:16,890
allows you to use Bitcoin not to
tear Taro is something that is

529
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,600
part of the Bitcoin Core, right?

530
00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:24,660
Or is it? Oh, no, no, I think
it's just something that's a

531
00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:25,770
part of l&d.

532
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,460
Because the reason I say that is
because they tap tap

533
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:31,050
root enabled Taro.

534
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,740
Oh, okay. That's what Yeah,
okay. Yeah. Yeah, taproot gives

535
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,720
you the functionality, but
there's a core there's a bitcoin

536
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,890
core component to the allowing
the scripting to do the taro.

537
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,200
Yeah. So that my understanding
is the way I saw it described

538
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,920
was that you could say you could
have like, I don't know, let's

539
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:57,690
say 20 bucks and USD C. And then
you could transfer that over a

540
00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:00,150
lightning channel and it would
come out at the other end. and

541
00:35:00,150 --> 00:35:01,530
still being USDC.

542
00:35:01,590 --> 00:35:05,070
Yeah, but basically, you could
punch anything in on one end,

543
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:06,450
and it'll come out the other
end.

544
00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:10,110
The middle, the transport
mechanism is lightning is

545
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:14,220
lightning. Exactly. Exactly.
Which, of course, ultimately is

546
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:18,930
on chain settlement. And so the
idea is the way I see it is, you

547
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:22,890
know, and it's kind of relevant
with Swift, the SWIFT network

548
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:25,980
swift payment network being
dismantled, and you know,

549
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:29,760
kicking people off Oh, yeah. So
now you have a way? Well, you

550
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,740
could, you could literally, if
if the network has a ruble node

551
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,410
in there, you could send us
dollars, it will go into the

552
00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:44,970
into the lightning node that
will poop it out into Moscow

553
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:50,190
into Putin's lap in rubles, so
that he can turn the turn the

554
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:50,940
gas back on.

555
00:35:53,190 --> 00:36:00,240
Hey, give me a Putin man. So
yeah, well, you. I guess the

556
00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,970
advantage of that, if I
understand correctly, is that

557
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,490
you're not, there's no fees?

558
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,130
Well, I'll read from the
announcement. Today, we're

559
00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:12,090
excited to announce Taro, a new
Chapron powered protocol for

560
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:14,910
issuing assets on the Bitcoin
Blockchain that can be

561
00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:17,970
transferred over the Lightning
Network for instant high volume

562
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,500
low fee transactions. That's my
Ryan Gentry voice.

563
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:30,600
Oh, yeah. You said just like,
wow. It's my breath away. Okay,

564
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,940
yeah. So that means you can use
the, the bit you can get the

565
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:41,910
benefits of the low fee.
Transaction. Yeah. But without

566
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:46,440
and so you're not paying fees in
the currency of the thing it is.

567
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:48,510
Supposedly,

568
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,410
well, it'll, I mean, here's,
here's the flaw that I see. And

569
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:55,320
maybe it isn't flaw. So you're
gonna have to have these

570
00:36:55,590 --> 00:37:01,620
translator nodes. Right? That
that says, Okay, this is this,

571
00:37:01,650 --> 00:37:07,350
you know, I'm receiving USDC or
L USD, and whatever. That's,

572
00:37:07,350 --> 00:37:10,320
that's what what is that? Oh,
that's lightning US dollars. I'm

573
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,850
sure they're gonna have a stable
coin. Well, until they're CDB

574
00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:18,000
sees you're gonna have to work
with stable coins and stable

575
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,670
coins, that that's not going to
be a problem. Those will be

576
00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:22,620
regulated. I are going

577
00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:24,660
to be regulated by the EU think
they'll be regulated by the

578
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:31,020
CFTC. Or by the SEC. The SEC.
Okay, because that's because

579
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:34,590
it's protect like, technically
an equity. I believe so. Yeah.

580
00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:38,280
It's a financial instrument.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

581
00:37:39,570 --> 00:37:42,960
And there's lots of pegged
currencies and stuff. So I think

582
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,230
that'll that'll be okay. So once
you have that, but you also need

583
00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:52,080
a you know, a remedy B and A one
digital token they may exist I

584
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,880
don't know enough about them.
The bottom line is the system

585
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,420
that we have in place now and
and I love the romance of

586
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:05,310
Bitcoin and, and I prefer
Bitcoin, most definitely over

587
00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:12,600
any kind of a financial
instrument. But it will, the

588
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,860
Lightning Network is going to
become very easy to integrate

589
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:20,850
with local currencies. I'm just
saying I think a lot of this

590
00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:25,020
stuff will go through transition
there'll be a lot of opportunity

591
00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:28,440
for onboarding make it easier I
mean, the dollar is not going to

592
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,000
go away tomorrow and Bitcoin is
the king okay. Yeah, let's be

593
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,320
really clear about that. And you
can still receive your your

594
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,380
value for value payments and
Bitcoin in fact, that's probably

595
00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:43,890
preferable. But if you want you
can you know, you could even

596
00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:46,680
have one split go off and put
some into your bank account.

597
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:49,620
Yeah, well, the brands already
doing that. Like he said, This

598
00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:52,050
is what I'm saying. Yeah, he's
already doing exactly that.

599
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:55,710
Yeah, he's already gets a crazy
med no half machine and I mean,

600
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:59,700
I expect him to create a one of
these translators thingamajigger

601
00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:01,830
Yeah, and he'll become a
millionaire you watch.

602
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,020
He already is we already know
that.

603
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,600
I do have confirmation. Indeed.
When we were talking about ROI

604
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,110
over there and breeze land was
indeed listening in bed.

605
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Did he has his

606
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,000
robot he had the robe on the
floppy had the floppy slippers

607
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,210
were next to the bed because he
was in his bed. But yes, we do

608
00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:27,450
have a confirmation that he
indeed was listening in his bed

609
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:29,910
with a Huawei shoe six
confirmations before

610
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:31,860
silk sheets.

611
00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:41,760
We need to discuss we need to
discuss the Verify tag. Okay,

612
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,940
I've been doing a little bit of
that this week. Well, actually,

613
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:48,450
you know what, let's talk about
the let's talk about the block

614
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:51,570
tech first. Okay, you want to do
some tag talk?

615
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:56,550
Yeah, tag talk we need we need a
jingle for tag talk. All we have

616
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:56,850
is

617
00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:03,360
this. And now it's time first
time My hot namespace talk. I

618
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:03,930
like tag

619
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:07,440
talk kind of better, though. Tag
that that would lend itself to a

620
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,030
quick punchy jingle.

621
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:12,960
Yes. Tag talk tag talk.
Everybody loves tag talk ha.

622
00:40:15,089 --> 00:40:21,989
Maybe not the HA. Like you're
exhausted. I am. Gay the the

623
00:40:21,989 --> 00:40:25,049
block tech. No longer is. I
think everybody understands the

624
00:40:25,049 --> 00:40:29,939
way this works or at least
hopefully they do. But there was

625
00:40:29,939 --> 00:40:34,769
discussion this week a little
bit of a of a mild in podcast

626
00:40:34,769 --> 00:40:43,439
index dot social terms, a mild
kerfuffle. With James and

627
00:40:43,439 --> 00:40:45,539
volunteer, he tends to be
involved in these.

628
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:49,860
With that was my punch line. Oh,
sorry,

629
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,450
about the blog about the blog
tag and its applicability to

630
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,700
Apple podcasts. Okay, so I'm
going to, I'm going to first

631
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:05,010
read from the Apple document
known as because we all know

632
00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:11,880
hopefully by now that the iTunes
namespace declares a dot a DTD,

633
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:16,890
that actually is a 404. So if
you try to go and if you try to

634
00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:20,610
click on or go to the URL where
the namespace wants you to, it

635
00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:23,790
doesn't exist. It hasn't existed
for many, many, many years,

636
00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:27,900
maybe ever. I'm not sure if it's
ever existed. But the second

637
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:31,500
best thing to a to that
specification, which is a

638
00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:35,160
document from Apple on Apple's
own website, of which I have

639
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,230
made a safe copy. When I What
was

640
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:40,260
the kerfuffle, you've set us up
with all this kerfuffle talk,

641
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:43,650
but what was the disagreement?
Did I'm still you're still set

642
00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:44,190
up. Sorry.

643
00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:49,110
Yeah, this is the longest setup,
it'll ever so from this

644
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:53,700
document, is a podcast is called
a podcasters. Guide to RSS, and

645
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,630
this is sort of like, Apple's
way of describing all their tags

646
00:41:57,630 --> 00:42:01,170
and what they do, and why you
should use them and all that,

647
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,660
right. So when in under the
iTunes blog, it says it's

648
00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:10,290
channel level item. And here's
the description they give the

649
00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:16,080
podcast show or hide status. So
that's in their directory, or,

650
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,340
or whatever. If you want your
show removed from the Apple

651
00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:27,840
directory, use this tag. Okay.
Next, specifying the iTunes

652
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,740
block tag with a yes value
prevents the entire podcast from

653
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:38,250
appearing in Apple podcasts.
specifying any other value,

654
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:44,370
other than yes has no effect. So
I'm gonna tell you why I'm going

655
00:42:44,370 --> 00:42:48,030
to this sounds like what I'm
saying. It sounds like what I'm

656
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:52,530
saying is, Apple spec says that
this that the iTunes blog tag

657
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,140
only applies to Apple podcasts,
which it does. But the I'm not

658
00:42:58,140 --> 00:43:04,140
saying that means that that's
actually the case. The kerfuffle

659
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:10,440
was that we need the podcast
blog tag, because the iTunes

660
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,730
blog tag only applies to Apple's
directory. Okay. And James said,

661
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:19,260
No, that's not the case. And I
don't know if he meant that that

662
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:22,080
was the actual text of the spec,
or if he was just referring to

663
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,550
the way it's done in practice.
This is where and in this is

664
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:36,060
what I'm trying to get at. The
the actual spec language itself

665
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:42,450
says that it only applies to
Apple podcasts, right. But what

666
00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:46,710
has happened in the last 20
years is that ever since there

667
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:51,030
was no other way to block a
podcast? Then everybody said,

668
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:55,920
okay, the iTunes blog, blog tag
is what it actually means where

669
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,350
we're all going to treat it as
if it means is that we're blocks

670
00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:02,490
everything. Okay, it's a blank,
it's a blanket block. So there's

671
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:06,600
a disconnect between what the
spec says and what everybody

672
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:11,190
does in reality, and we have to,
and we have to live in reality,

673
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:17,490
we can't always live in the
spec. So you got to live like, I

674
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:21,210
think, who was that guy? Francis
Schaeffer said you you got to

675
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:27,810
live in the world as it is. So
the world as it is, is that it

676
00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:31,230
blocks everything but that's not
the end of the story. Because

677
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:34,140
that doesn't mean that we can
say okay, well, that's fine.

678
00:44:34,140 --> 00:44:39,030
That's a solid problem. Because
the the one scenario that you

679
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:44,880
cannot do with that with the
iTunes blog tag is decide that

680
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,670
you only want to blog apple and
nobody else.

681
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:52,620
Right, because the reality is
people will see that as a full

682
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:53,160
block.

683
00:44:53,820 --> 00:45:00,300
As a full block. Yes. So you
can't it if I want to buy If I

684
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:04,710
want to block Apple only and
allow it for everybody else,

685
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:09,630
that will never be doable
without his blog tag. Because

686
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:14,850
that because then you get back
into now. Now the the wording of

687
00:45:14,850 --> 00:45:20,610
the spec matters. Read the you
can't live in the reality over

688
00:45:20,610 --> 00:45:24,030
here because Apple will never
honor that will never honor that

689
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:31,260
any other way. And so well
excuse me, nobody else will

690
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,900
honor that any other way.
Because because that's the way

691
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,980
it's written. So anyway, that's,
that's what I'm trying to.

692
00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:42,240
That's the reason that sort of
like that little Crux there that

693
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:48,480
that gotcha is the reason why
there's multiple gotchas, but

694
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,240
that's one big one. As to why
the blanket the blanket block

695
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,140
tune as written in the market
block tag as written in iTunes

696
00:45:58,140 --> 00:46:00,810
spec is just not tenable. And we
needed something different.

697
00:46:00,990 --> 00:46:01,440
Yeah,

698
00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:06,750
I understand. So I don't see the
issue. Well, I don't see

699
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:10,800
anything. So there's no issue.
No, I just sold it when people

700
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,210
were just fighting them to
fight.

701
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:16,590
Yeah, that's what people find
most of the time. Because they

702
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:19,830
don't have anything else to do.
All right. I like to bring it

703
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:20,310
home.

704
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:23,399
I like to block tag. We're
already using it.

705
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:24,990
What are you blocking?

706
00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:29,220
If I am blocking Hold on a
second let me let me double

707
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:37,500
check in my sovereign feeds. We
are on a second show info block

708
00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:42,360
oh is that only for I think I'm
only doing that I know agenda

709
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,910
let me see because I have to do
it here too then let me see show

710
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:48,900
info.

711
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,890
I think I put it podcast blog no
you okay you say you have no

712
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:53,310
blog.

713
00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:59,910
Okay no agenda I have Spotify
and Facebook selected

714
00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:04,800
okay cool. All right. Yes,
Facebook even do podcasting

715
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,120
anymore and I think they've been
I don't

716
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,160
know it was a selection in the
menu

717
00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:11,190
you're like yes give me some

718
00:47:11,819 --> 00:47:15,899
listen if you if you know the
menu this is all sovereign

719
00:47:15,899 --> 00:47:20,699
feeds. Yeah, it's interesting. I
can block I can block Buzzsprout

720
00:47:20,699 --> 00:47:22,859
from importing my feed for some
reason

721
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,420
Yeah, well I know what he did I
know what he did he pulled in.

722
00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:32,160
Pulled in the full slug list
Yes. From the yes yes.

723
00:47:32,189 --> 00:47:39,599
Shout engine slack SoundCloud
Twitter booshka YouTubes and can

724
00:47:39,629 --> 00:47:42,509
I can block them all? I don't
know if it does anything but

725
00:47:42,509 --> 00:47:48,029
it's cool to add people just
like photos of like Hey, I

726
00:47:48,029 --> 00:47:51,839
blocked you bitch hack makes me
feel powerful

727
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,520
like teenagers do

728
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,140
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. No it's
so I'm so we're proud users of

729
00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:06,630
this. I like and I can't wait
until Spotify sucks in our feed

730
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:09,810
again I can say excuse me Okay,
excuse

731
00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:12,330
me talk to my lawyer I mean my
blog tag yeah look

732
00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:14,310
at it look at it people can't
you read

733
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:21,660
just cinema screenshot Okay, so
the the the in more tag talk

734
00:48:21,660 --> 00:48:23,250
here the generator tag?

735
00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:24,780
Yes.

736
00:48:26,850 --> 00:48:31,560
I heard Andy's feelings this
week. Andy. Yeah, Andy layman.

737
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:36,960
Oh, what did you do? I turned
his lemon creations generator

738
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,910
reference back in overrode it
back to WordPress and he and it

739
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:45,990
hurt his feelings. But so what I
did was don't understand. Yeah,

740
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:51,150
no, I know that makes no sense.
So there's I don't understand

741
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:55,290
this okay. So somebody didn't
knows about WordPress needs to

742
00:48:55,290 --> 00:49:01,230
tell me what the crap is going
on with these with with the way

743
00:49:01,230 --> 00:49:07,800
WordPress does the generator tag
let me pull one up so I can

744
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:13,530
look inside the generator tag an
existing tag?

745
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:16,440
Yeah, yeah, it's an art it's
missing the original original

746
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:25,020
RSS. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna pull
up new media show here. And here

747
00:49:25,020 --> 00:49:29,130
we go. I'm gonna pull up their
feed. And this is this is what I

748
00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:36,360
see in their feed. It has a
generator tag. This is a word

749
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:43,980
that is just list wordpress.com.
And then they also have this

750
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:51,600
weird like, commented out. It's
like he's got a little like,

751
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,050
less than son exclamation point
dash dash. You know that that

752
00:49:55,050 --> 00:49:59,970
HTML comment. Oh, yeah. And it's
got it's one of the lightest

753
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,250
starts with that. And then it
says podcast underscore

754
00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:08,190
generator equals blueberry space
power press slash the version

755
00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:12,090
number or whatever. And then
close comment. So it's like it

756
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:17,340
has. It's a, it's its own. It's
a different generator tag, but

757
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:24,420
it's commented out. And I don't
understand why that happens. But

758
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,140
because I can't but but
normally, I can't parse that

759
00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:34,050
because it's a comment. Mill, it
doesn't see it. Okay. Yeah. So

760
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:37,410
what what I'm trying to do is do
proper attribution. I'm trying

761
00:50:37,410 --> 00:50:41,550
to say, Okay, here's how many
feeds. So this applies to cast

762
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:46,800
cast O's, and blueberry. Because
they have these, you know, a

763
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,740
vast fleet of these WordPress
plug in podcast generators, like

764
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:56,160
to the to the tune of 10s of
1000s of these things. So that's

765
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,030
potentially, I mean, I think I'm
gonna give blanket numbers, I

766
00:51:00,030 --> 00:51:02,760
think each one of them have
probably about 30,000 of these.

767
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,680
So that's 660 1000 which is not
an insignificant number of

768
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,180
podcasts being hosted on
WordPress with their plugins.

769
00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:18,600
And I want to I want to properly
know within the index that this

770
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,500
podcast is being generated by
power press, not WordPress, I

771
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:26,490
see yet or seriously simple
podcasting plugin, not

772
00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:33,390
WordPress. So I changed to do a
quick like just an int a an

773
00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:38,010
index of you know, if index of
podcast underscore generator

774
00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:42,960
equal greater than negative one
and I just get pull that string

775
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:49,170
out before I do the XML parse.
Grab that if that and then so

776
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:53,820
that later, I can override the
WordPress thing, the WordPress

777
00:51:53,820 --> 00:52:00,240
generator tag with the proper
generator string. And by doing

778
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:06,630
that, I Andy, Andy's Lehmann
creations podcast WordPress

779
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:10,080
plugin it properly says the
generator tag to Lehmann

780
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,370
creations and so I accidentally
and so by doing that I clobbered

781
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:14,850
him because I

782
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,660
finally understand what the
problem sorry.

783
00:52:20,190 --> 00:52:22,860
But see, but I don't understand
I need I need a PA. I need a

784
00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:27,390
WordPress guru to explain to me
why AMD is able to properly set

785
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:31,170
his generator tag and everybody
else does this weird thing with

786
00:52:31,170 --> 00:52:36,000
the comment with the comment.
What's the point of that? Why

787
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,560
can't Why can't they do it the
right way?

788
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:42,450
I know it's people, man. People
do annoying shit.

789
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:49,680
Okay. There's a long way to go.
But but I need it. I need this.

790
00:52:49,710 --> 00:52:51,480
I need this. God telling me why

791
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:54,600
but and just so I understand you
need it because you just need to

792
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,840
know what's coming from where
just for all kinds of other

793
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,320
stuff.

794
00:52:58,740 --> 00:53:02,160
I need it. Well, I need to know
that my code is doing something

795
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,020
right. Like is there something
else? If there's something I'm

796
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:11,160
missing here? Then I may be I
may have coded around a problem

797
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,730
that doesn't exist. I just need
somebody to explain it to me so

798
00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:17,130
I can understand that what I'm
doing is actually legitimate.

799
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:17,700
Got it?

800
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:22,020
I finally upgraded my Umbral

801
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:25,230
How did you get that to happen?

802
00:53:25,470 --> 00:53:32,700
This sucked this really wow
balls so I have two umbrellas

803
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:36,570
one is running on old on the
surface. That's actually the one

804
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:39,150
that runs the booster grams. I
have not attempted an upgrade on

805
00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:42,690
that because that's kind of the
production machine. You know

806
00:53:42,690 --> 00:53:45,420
when that's offline, the first
thing that happens is I get Chad

807
00:53:45,450 --> 00:53:49,140
F and comic strip blogger
telling me that podcasting sucks

808
00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:55,860
and doesn't work. Actually, Jeff
is like the canary in the coal

809
00:53:55,860 --> 00:54:01,050
mine. Hey, you're not accepting
sad sums down rip rip rip. It's

810
00:54:01,050 --> 00:54:05,610
the best alert emoji. Yes, the
best. That's how I know it's

811
00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:06,960
broken is Chad F.

812
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,690
That's how I know when pa things
broken because Brian tells me

813
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:10,260
all right.

814
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:15,750
So I was just trying to get from
Oh, from Oh dot four dot 18 I

815
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:20,880
guess two O dot five dot O,
which is a significant kind of

816
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,180
half upgrade for them. But it's,
you know, this change in the way

817
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:27,090
to do the app stores. And I
wanted to reinstall IPFS

818
00:54:27,090 --> 00:54:30,570
because, you know, that new app
is dependent upon the new

819
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:32,640
structure. And so there's just
one of these things that kept

820
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,480
pushing off and this morning was
the morning and I decided to use

821
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,730
the one that is the Bitcoin
machines which we talked about

822
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:42,120
on the last show, which is you
know, it's the one that comes

823
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,420
from the factory. And it's like
the you should not have to open

824
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:49,170
this up. Well, I did because
whatever I did, and it's funny

825
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:54,630
to look at Umbral help websites
and bump into Cridland and you

826
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:58,680
and all kinds Brian of London,
like are we

827
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,890
all just stupid is that problem
there is only us

828
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,490
clearly the path has been beaten
before me and like, oh, okay, so

829
00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:08,100
I'm not the only guy who hasn't
been able to figure this out. So

830
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,520
what I wound up doing is I wound
up reflashing, the OS, which is

831
00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:16,290
on, which is pretty easy on the
Bitcoin machine, the standard

832
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:20,130
housing and this Raspberry Pi,
because it uses the SD card,

833
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:23,580
which I have to actually use
needle nose pliers to get it

834
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:30,150
out. Who Oh, because it's well,
it's behind the front of the of

835
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:33,150
the in casing. And so you can't
really get your fingers in

836
00:55:33,150 --> 00:55:37,590
there. And now, of course, that
so I've reflashed it, it comes

837
00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:40,140
back up and says it's been
updated when it hasn't, we've

838
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:44,730
all seen this. And then I did
update again. And then it took

839
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,720
and everything worked. Now, I
have I also turned off my

840
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:55,380
raspberry my pie hole and I
unhooked tail scale thinking

841
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:59,190
that might have made a
difference. I don't know. The

842
00:55:59,190 --> 00:56:05,250
bummer now is of course this so
I've got the the stock OS which

843
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,180
which I downloaded from the get
Umbral website. But now the

844
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:12,480
display doesn't work, because
this is probably some extra

845
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,380
stuff that Bitcoin machine guys
put in or whatever. Just doesn't

846
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:21,180
work. So yeah, anyway, it does
work. And I found a cool app,

847
00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:25,470
which I told you about, which is
Oak was oak tree, oak node oak

848
00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:28,920
node, the thing you've been
building for months. Yeah, the

849
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,160
thing

850
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,680
that totally sure lost my cron
job. Yeah, that's

851
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,790
the well, if you look at this
thing, it creates cron jobs.

852
00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:40,110
That's all it does. Yes. The
front end for cron job. You have

853
00:56:40,110 --> 00:56:45,330
an input like 144 If you want it
to be a one day interval. Oh,

854
00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:45,930
funny.

855
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,310
So this thing creates it calls
it creates a cron job that calls

856
00:56:50,310 --> 00:56:54,210
ln CLI to send the payment. Yes,
sir. That's exactly what I do.

857
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:57,690
I know. They put a handsome
interface on top of it.

858
00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:02,400
Oh, man doesn't have a handsome
interface. It's just got it.

859
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:03,960
It's just Nano.

860
00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:08,250
Nano, man vi at

861
00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:12,660
least come on out here with you
via baby No, Max.

862
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:14,370
Come on. Cord me bitch. Let's go

863
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:20,220
man Oh,

864
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:25,410
I can't believe you day. You
went through all that and then

865
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:26,400
broke the screen.

866
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:30,060
Yeah, that's disappointing. It
really well. I'm going to reboot

867
00:57:30,060 --> 00:57:33,420
it and then see if by magic that
comes but I ran out of time for

868
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:35,910
like, okay, it's working at
least it for now. It's working.

869
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:39,510
And yeah, beautifully brought
out sync the chain, got my

870
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:42,900
channels back. So all of that
stuff. That was quite amazing.

871
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:45,990
And it is very pretty. The new
version is beautiful.

872
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:50,070
Oh, it's dynamite. It's
dynamite. I don't I'm still on

873
00:57:50,070 --> 00:57:53,520
4.18 Because I don't know what I
honestly don't know what to do

874
00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:56,100
to get because I don't. The
problem is you people can

875
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:57,690
flatter SD cards and

876
00:57:57,690 --> 00:58:00,540
still see that's the next that's
the next machine I have to do. I

877
00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:03,150
don't have an SD card. So I'm
not sure what to do on that one.

878
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:10,080
It's all is on that one is your
I think it's like my problem is

879
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,880
that my partition that holds the
blockchain chain files to the

880
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:20,340
400 gigabytes of Bitcoin
blockchain is the same partition

881
00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:23,400
the same volume that holds
lightning the hole excuse me,

882
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,840
the holes the Umbral route. Oh,

883
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,900
I bet I did exactly the same.

884
00:58:28,649 --> 00:58:33,539
And so if you if that's the
case, then when it makes that

885
00:58:33,569 --> 00:58:35,939
the backup of the onboard
directory is going to be backing

886
00:58:35,939 --> 00:58:39,839
up your whole blockchain just
like it did with me and you're

887
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:40,829
gonna run out of space.

888
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:44,730
Man, I feel

889
00:58:44,730 --> 00:58:48,300
like what I'm gonna have to do
is shut every like, click. I

890
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,840
feel like this is the scenario.
Turn off all stop all the Docker

891
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,940
services. Yeah. Move the
blockchain move the blockchain

892
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:58,200
files over.

893
00:58:59,070 --> 00:59:00,630
This is what you did last time.

894
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,610
No, no, but I'm going to No, no.

895
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:05,280
This is a great experiment.

896
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:08,370
No, this is a tear. No, no, I'm
not doing it the same way I did

897
00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:10,680
last time. That was that was
janked up and that was horrible.

898
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:16,080
Okay. nesbit's would be much
better. Create, put in a set a

899
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,640
second drive by one terabyte
drive. Move the blockchain files

900
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,770
over to it manually, right.
Didn't mount it as a separate

901
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:31,320
volume. And then and then try it
again. A shadow? No, I don't

902
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:31,890
understand how

903
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:36,210
that sounds. It's really too
bad. I mean, because this a lot

904
00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:40,080
of the early adopters who are
just like me adopters, not not

905
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,500
super smart. Did a lot of this
stuff. You know, this is my

906
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,060
first experience with Docker and

907
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:52,350
speaking of speaking of Docker,
it's it's fantastic when it

908
00:59:52,350 --> 00:59:56,010
comes to pod paying it has. It
has made me a firm believer in

909
00:59:56,010 --> 00:59:59,460
that for sure. Oh, really? Yeah,
we did. We just did an upgrade

910
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:04,200
and I'm Alex bouschet, I'm a
version 1.25. I think we have

911
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,870
the memory, the memory leak
problem licked. So the issue

912
01:00:09,870 --> 01:00:18,600
there, as we, as we understand
it currently, is that the, it's

913
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,990
not that it wasn't a memory
leak, it wasn't actually a

914
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:27,570
memory leak. So, you know, the
way the the way that the OS

915
01:00:27,570 --> 01:00:33,870
memory manager tends to work is,
you know, if you if you attempt

916
01:00:33,870 --> 01:00:36,150
is your if your software
attempts to allocate some memory

917
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:42,000
malloc, or whatever process is
using, if it asks for memory,

918
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,230
the OS will give it some, and
then the software can say, Okay,

919
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:49,800
I'm done with this memory, I'm
gonna free it. And it can give

920
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,620
it back. Well, there's various
flags that you can set when you

921
01:00:52,620 --> 01:00:57,240
give it back. And one of those
flags in this case, I think it's

922
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,410
like mad V underscore free or
something like that. It will,

923
01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:04,710
the effect it has is it says,
Okay, I'm done with this memory,

924
01:01:05,070 --> 01:01:11,670
the operating system can have it
back. But for some reason, no.

925
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,930
But I don't necessarily, I may
need it again, or something,

926
01:01:15,930 --> 01:01:21,000
something along those terms.
Well, this certain flag when it

927
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,780
sees that the operating system
says, Okay, I see that I can use

928
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:27,420
this memory again, but I'm not
going to necessarily reclaim it

929
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:30,870
right now. I'm just going to
leave it out there. And with the

930
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:33,570
idea that if you if the system
ever comes under memory

931
01:01:33,570 --> 01:01:37,500
pressure, then it will go get
that stuff. It's like, okay, I

932
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:39,930
know, I've got a bunch of memory
over here I can use but I'm not

933
01:01:39,930 --> 01:01:42,930
going to bother with right now.
And it's like, oh, I'm running

934
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:45,630
low on memory, I'll go get that.
I'll go get that. Right.

935
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:51,630
Evidently, the containers, the
Docker containers, somehow

936
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:56,880
obscure that process or make
that process unreliable, so that

937
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,990
the freed memory doesn't
necessarily get reclaimed

938
01:02:00,990 --> 01:02:05,700
properly, even under memory
pressure. Okay. And so what what

939
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:09,570
he did was he switched it, he
switched the Docker container to

940
01:02:09,570 --> 01:02:12,690
use a different Python
interpreter. And we think that

941
01:02:12,690 --> 01:02:14,610
that's all the problem. Like
it's been running for a long

942
01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:17,730
time. Now, what was happening is
like, within a few hours, it

943
01:02:17,730 --> 01:02:21,420
would be up like almost run out
of memory. And now it looks like

944
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:24,510
the memory is just kind of rock
solid at around. 300 300. Meg's.

945
01:02:25,470 --> 01:02:29,220
Anyway, that's, I think, sh and
upgrading with the Docker was

946
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:34,050
like, I mean, it took like five
seconds. It was awesome. Yes,

947
01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:35,490
I'm a believer on that now.

948
01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:40,860
Yeah, I'm looking at my disk I
have about I'm using about 60%

949
01:02:40,860 --> 01:02:43,110
of that one terabyte so I'm not
gonna be able to do it.

950
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:46,890
Yeah, we got to figure out a
proper solution to this problem.

951
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:50,430
Because yeah, I literally can't
upgrade and if I can't upgrade,

952
01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:52,920
I can't develop Ella Pat
anymore. Right? Umbral,

953
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:55,920
right? Right? Right? Yeah, they
don't they don't seem to have

954
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,770
they don't seem to have a good
fix for for the non standard

955
01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:03,540
install. Okay, just reinstall it
over it. Was that fucked

956
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:04,140
everything up?

957
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:08,580
I think that's part of what I
did last time it went went

958
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:09,330
berserk.

959
01:03:11,310 --> 01:03:14,460
Quickly, Dame Jennifer will be
on in the board meeting in the

960
01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:16,170
next two weeks, I guess.

961
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,680
Oh, yes. Next week. So next week
is next

962
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,770
week. Yeah. Damn, Jennifer has
raised her hand to coordinate

963
01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:25,650
the hackathon. And her first
question was what's a hackathon?

964
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:30,750
That's exactly who you want
running your hackathon. Yes.

965
01:03:30,780 --> 01:03:36,570
Perfect. It should be perfect.
Yeah. We'll get some it'll be

966
01:03:36,570 --> 01:03:41,190
fun to have her on. Here we need
to we use she's a user she's a

967
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:44,970
user she a user of this stuff.
What I mean by that is of course

968
01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:50,220
she creates animated no agenda.
So she's deep into bitcoin

969
01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:52,800
understands all this stuff.
She'll she'll say she doesn't

970
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,430
but she does.

971
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:59,760
She does. Yeah. What's what's?
What's her? What's her day job?

972
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,640
Marketing? Like promotion?

973
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:08,610
You know, I'm not sure she. I
know she. I'm not sure right

974
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:08,880
now.

975
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,640
I guess that's what we think
she's I think she's

976
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,550
independently wealthy. She's
probably like a vie Countess or

977
01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:15,120
something.

978
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:16,620
Like this.

979
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,190
She's she's got like old British
money.

980
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:24,030
Okay. Does she have goats and
chickens in her castle?

981
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:27,510
No, I don't know. I don't. I
don't think she does. She lives

982
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:30,150
kind of on the Qt on the DL. You
know, it's like, don't want

983
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:31,290
anyone though. Yeah.

984
01:04:31,530 --> 01:04:34,320
She hasn't. He has an island in
the right off the Charleston

985
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:34,800
coast. I

986
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,840
sure hope so. You have guest
rooms. Just the next question.

987
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:49,350
Rooms actually. Did we talk
about trending last time? Yeah.

988
01:04:49,770 --> 01:04:54,630
About trending podcasts. You
know, there's there's always,

989
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,650
you know, we have the most
recent what endpoint do we have

990
01:04:58,650 --> 01:05:03,420
on the API which tells you what
it's like our trending API

991
01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:04,260
endpoint or I

992
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,990
think that's what it's called. I
think it's just rendering.

993
01:05:07,350 --> 01:05:11,370
Yeah. So it always tickles me to
see people say, Well, you know,

994
01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:14,970
it's a very black box over there
podcast index, that training

995
01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:18,180
thing. We don't know how that
works. And we don't like boss.

996
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:21,870
Yeah. And the reason why is
because these all of these

997
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:26,760
Rancors, which I'd never heard
before, is that a British

998
01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,710
version of rank a ranking?

999
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,350
Whenever I hear that, hear it in
my head spelled SEO or

1000
01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:40,350
Oh, yeah. rank or exactly. So
it's a rancor, which are

1001
01:05:40,350 --> 01:05:43,470
completely meaningless. Because
everything's game a bowl. And

1002
01:05:43,470 --> 01:05:46,680
everyone's known this for so
long. And this, everyone's using

1003
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:51,000
weird data, like number of
subscribes versus unsubscribes?

1004
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,520
And, you know, maybe some people
some download that, I don't

1005
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,960
know. But why don't we just do
it by, you know, and we can only

1006
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,080
do it for value for value, but
we could have an interesting

1007
01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:07,230
overview of people who have
received the most streaming

1008
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:11,190
transactions, not the amount,
but the number of transactions.

1009
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:16,440
And since we receive 1%, we
should be able to track that.

1010
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:21,690
Was that a data exercise that
puts the fear of God into you?

1011
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:30,660
It doesn't make me afraid. But
they are in different places.

1012
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:39,840
The the 1% data is in the node,
right? Not in the index

1013
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:45,420
database. Correct. But it can be
pulled, yes. Okay, so

1014
01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:48,990
and the reason why is because
then you can see who has people

1015
01:06:48,990 --> 01:06:54,150
listen to them, actually
listening. This will be a great,

1016
01:06:54,180 --> 01:06:57,240
this will be a great stat to
have. And you can say, you know,

1017
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,460
here's we can just do minutes
listened.

1018
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:03,900
I had a really great
conversation this week with

1019
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:10,620
Alberto from lorises.com, we
were talking about stats, we had

1020
01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:14,760
a phone call. And he was just
bringing helping me brainstorm

1021
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,140
some better ways to do the
stats. So this is actually

1022
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:23,970
really, really timely, because
I'm going I want to get rid of

1023
01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:27,720
that stats page, on the thing
that on the website on the

1024
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,080
muddiest index side, this shows
like, post submitted fees, a

1025
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,380
number of them and all of this
horrible, horrible needs to go.

1026
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:37,080
It's just it's a piece of
garbage and needs to go away.

1027
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,180
I wouldn't mind right there
having a number of minutes.

1028
01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:43,200
Listen today.

1029
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,450
So that's what I'm thinking is
maybe. So he encouraged he said,

1030
01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:52,920
Hey, here's what he says, here's
what I suggest. I suggest that

1031
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,190
you There's already people doing
stats, people like John Spurlock

1032
01:07:56,940 --> 01:08:01,110
and, and Daniel J. Lewis has a
podcast industry and size as

1033
01:08:01,290 --> 01:08:05,040
other people out there doing
staff. You don't necessarily

1034
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:11,010
want to be in the stats game,
right? So he suggested to just

1035
01:08:11,970 --> 01:08:17,100
do some sort of score. And the
score would be something very

1036
01:08:17,610 --> 01:08:22,830
vanilla and understandable. And
so that and then other than

1037
01:08:22,830 --> 01:08:26,490
that, we just give give out the
raw data, or huh, and then let

1038
01:08:26,490 --> 01:08:30,420
people compile it into different
versions of the way they want

1039
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:36,330
to. And one of those one of
those scores could be number of

1040
01:08:36,330 --> 01:08:38,670
first stream Sheriff ministry.

1041
01:08:38,699 --> 01:08:46,679
Do you have minute stream number
of I presume, can we see? Can we

1042
01:08:46,679 --> 01:08:50,009
see if payments are coming from
the same sender? Well, I guess

1043
01:08:50,009 --> 01:08:52,109
technically, if they have if
they put an alias in or

1044
01:08:52,109 --> 01:08:55,649
something, I guess. It's not
very, it's not machine readable?

1045
01:08:55,649 --> 01:08:58,799
Yeah. Not machine readable. But
you know, for me, it's just I

1046
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:01,559
just like to know how many
people and of course, it's only

1047
01:09:01,559 --> 01:09:04,499
gonna be valued for value. But
you know, doesn't matter if I

1048
01:09:04,499 --> 01:09:07,679
have 10 this week, and I have 20
Next week, reasonable assumption

1049
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:11,129
is have gone up. And then the
next thing I'd like to know

1050
01:09:11,129 --> 01:09:15,059
maybe this is more a hosting
company statistic is where

1051
01:09:15,059 --> 01:09:18,059
people boost and we I think
we've been through this, right,

1052
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:23,369
it almost shows itself what it
wants to be no timeline,

1053
01:09:23,369 --> 01:09:28,499
its game, even if it's a game of
all. The podcasters getting paid

1054
01:09:28,499 --> 01:09:29,189
to be gamed,

1055
01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:33,930
oh, horrible. What a bad thing.
But I mean, but you know, just

1056
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:36,810
I'd love to start messing around
with it. See what comes out of

1057
01:09:36,810 --> 01:09:39,120
there. And might be fun.

1058
01:09:39,629 --> 01:09:46,739
So the trending endpoint in API
to decide to dispel the black

1059
01:09:46,739 --> 01:09:55,109
box is, is very simple. We just
take it's very crude. We take

1060
01:09:55,109 --> 01:10:02,969
the known API keys from apps
from actual apps, not just

1061
01:10:02,969 --> 01:10:07,439
randos, right? So you know,
okay, we know pod versus an app

1062
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,949
podcast Guru is an app, curio,
casters, and and blah, blah,

1063
01:10:10,949 --> 01:10:17,669
blah, we take those app keys.
And we will, at the end of every

1064
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:22,619
day, there's a batch job that
runs through and checks how many

1065
01:10:22,619 --> 01:10:28,859
times those known took API
tokens, have asked for have

1066
01:10:28,859 --> 01:10:36,659
asked for the episode list of a
podcast. Meaning, that's how

1067
01:10:36,659 --> 01:10:39,869
many times that somebody on
their app has been interested in

1068
01:10:39,869 --> 01:10:45,749
this podcast, okay, enough to
call the API. Okay, and we just

1069
01:10:45,749 --> 01:10:50,429
count that number of things up
to a certain limit. It's like an

1070
01:10:50,429 --> 01:10:56,039
integer, I think it's like three
to 55 or some. There's a roll

1071
01:10:56,039 --> 01:10:59,609
count. And then we just sort it
in reverse order when we hand it

1072
01:10:59,609 --> 01:11:05,099
back. So the trending tag really
is just interest, just a as the

1073
01:11:05,099 --> 01:11:08,099
number of entity as the amount
of interest from the abs for a

1074
01:11:08,099 --> 01:11:15,209
particular podcast. And it's not
it's not I guess you can game it

1075
01:11:15,209 --> 01:11:19,319
by getting in there in like,
trying to refresh your podcast

1076
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:22,769
or something over and over and
over. But yes, it's the most

1077
01:11:24,389 --> 01:11:28,259
stable thing that we have,
because we don't we don't have

1078
01:11:28,259 --> 01:11:31,979
listenings. That's, I mean, we
don't know. So that's like, the

1079
01:11:31,979 --> 01:11:34,889
best thing I could come up with.
But this other thing, like I

1080
01:11:34,889 --> 01:11:37,709
could see putting, like a little
URL parameter on the end of the,

1081
01:11:38,339 --> 01:11:40,529
of the, the endpoint call where
you can say, okay, which

1082
01:11:40,529 --> 01:11:41,909
algorithm Do you want to use?

1083
01:11:41,909 --> 01:11:42,989
Right, there you go.

1084
01:11:43,770 --> 01:11:45,690
Do you want to let use
lightning? Or do you want to use

1085
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,290
there you go default? Would that
work?

1086
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,560
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think we
just need to experiment see,

1087
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,730
what kind of data we get out of
out of the node and what how we

1088
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,670
how we can parse that and what
what what we come up with it

1089
01:11:59,670 --> 01:12:02,430
might be very, might be very
interesting.

1090
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:05,580
Yeah, cuz I can see if some
people wanting one is some

1091
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:07,980
people want it like breeze
probably wants the they probably

1092
01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:11,970
want the lightning stuff, of
course. But then, like a regular

1093
01:12:11,970 --> 01:12:14,520
podcast app, they doesn't
implement it for value. They may

1094
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,330
not care as much about that.
Yeah, May. Maybe they blend it.

1095
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:19,110
Maybe eventually

1096
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:21,540
everyone's going to be valued
for value. Just wait until the

1097
01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:25,260
advertising market collapses
upon itself. It's all going it's

1098
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:26,910
all trending that way. Dave
Jones,

1099
01:12:27,180 --> 01:12:29,850
but this is the summer of
programmatic. Everything.

1100
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,670
Builders have been told we're

1101
01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:37,950
builders we're building what is
it? bear markets are for

1102
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:38,610
building

1103
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,440
them? I haven't heard that.
Yeah.

1104
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:45,480
bear markets are for building
Yeah,

1105
01:12:45,540 --> 01:12:50,010
you're gonna build stuff with no
money. I can't say that we

1106
01:12:50,010 --> 01:12:54,030
did. Speaking of such let's
thank some people for supporting

1107
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:59,400
this value for value project is
value for value podcast. The way

1108
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:04,590
we operate here as if you've
been listening. We only run on

1109
01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:07,710
the value that we provide. And
people send that back to us in

1110
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:10,530
many ways time, talent and
treasure. We do need real

1111
01:13:10,530 --> 01:13:12,900
treasure to keep everything
running. Let me see if we got

1112
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:16,980
any I didn't get a lot of lit
booster grams today. Although

1113
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:24,930
12345 12,345 SAS from hard hat.
Thank you very much hard hat. I

1114
01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:30,780
see a lot of test booths from
pod verse. Nice. Yes, I see 1000

1115
01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:34,230
here but no, no name or
anything. I'm not quite sure

1116
01:13:34,230 --> 01:13:38,790
where that's coming from.
Another 1000 from I think Mitch

1117
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:43,980
is just he's he's working. And
then I think the live the pre

1118
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:47,850
boost started off with blueberry
1776. So there's he said snip

1119
01:13:47,850 --> 01:13:53,490
first. Yes, that's our boost for
right now. You can support us in

1120
01:13:53,490 --> 01:13:56,100
multiple ways. Go to podcast
index.org. At the bottom, you'll

1121
01:13:56,100 --> 01:14:00,690
see a donate button. You can
send SATs on chain. I'll check

1122
01:14:00,690 --> 01:14:04,290
the tally coin to see if
anything came in. Of course we

1123
01:14:04,290 --> 01:14:07,740
have a Pay Pal and we love it
when you use a podcast app from

1124
01:14:07,740 --> 01:14:12,960
new podcast app.com. And boost
us amounts boost us survival

1125
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:13,980
cash, please.

1126
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:19,350
There must be there must be like
a concert going on or a football

1127
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:22,020
game because there is not very
much activity in

1128
01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:23,610
the chat room is weird, isn't
it?

1129
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:29,700
It is weird. Is it just the end?
Oh. Oh, I wonder if

1130
01:14:29,729 --> 01:14:31,259
is there some kind of Apple
event?

1131
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:35,400
Is that possible? But I wonder
if there's some I wonder if it's

1132
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,550
because school is starting back?
Windows Desktop people

1133
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:39,420
discombobulated

1134
01:14:39,810 --> 01:14:42,150
have an effect. It's possible.
It's possible.

1135
01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:45,150
This is the time this is the
time of year. I mean our kids

1136
01:14:45,150 --> 01:14:53,070
start back next week. We got
some we got zero weekly. Pay

1137
01:14:53,070 --> 01:14:55,980
fails. None. Nada.

1138
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:02,309
I see here. I'm looking at we
got 21 on 21 on tally coin,

1139
01:15:02,309 --> 01:15:09,299
4001 33 and 20,001 40 none of
which are attributable to a name

1140
01:15:09,299 --> 01:15:16,529
which is too bad and just in
from lavish is 9999 99 around an

1141
01:15:16,529 --> 01:15:19,079
owner survival cash he says
thank you very much.

1142
01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:23,519
Thank you lavish Bucha that he
appreciate we've I will go ahead

1143
01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:26,639
and read the monthlies on the
Pay Pal just because because we

1144
01:15:26,639 --> 01:15:31,859
don't have any other papers. So,
straight out the gate pod verse,

1145
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:38,879
LLC $50 versus the progress
team. Alice gets $25 Thank you

1146
01:15:38,879 --> 01:15:45,719
podcasts consultant, Lauren ball
$24.20 mich Downey also he of

1147
01:15:45,719 --> 01:15:51,329
pod verse $10. Thank you, sir.
Christopher hora, Barak $10.

1148
01:15:51,899 --> 01:15:56,789
Jeremy Kevin all $10 Terry
Keller, $5 sore, you're on

1149
01:15:56,789 --> 01:16:02,849
hugger Mueller $5 Chris cow and
$5 and Jeffrey Brentford. $5.

1150
01:16:02,849 --> 01:16:03,809
That's our monthlies. Thank you.

1151
01:16:03,989 --> 01:16:07,889
Thank you all very much. Now,
time to see how the booths are

1152
01:16:07,889 --> 01:16:08,369
doing.

1153
01:16:09,180 --> 01:16:15,600
We have got from George Orwell
1555 stats and he says go

1154
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,290
podcasting

1155
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,080
got a podcast. Thank you.

1156
01:16:21,150 --> 01:16:25,680
Mike Dell from blueberry gave us
2500 SAS and he also says go

1157
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:33,840
podcasting go podcast. Work
Karen, our buddy for the memoirs

1158
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:38,160
podcast through Felton, he gave
us 4321 says he says boosting

1159
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,740
for all the incredible queueing
systems around the world.

1160
01:16:41,220 --> 01:16:42,450
queuing, queuing,

1161
01:16:42,449 --> 01:16:44,819
queuing. queuing. What does that
mean? I don't know.

1162
01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:48,090
Boost boost. But I'll we'll take
it Thank you, Karen.

1163
01:16:49,140 --> 01:16:52,980
Oh, okay. He comes in with
another 4321 through fountaining

1164
01:16:52,980 --> 01:16:55,500
says boosting for the
International V for V realized,

1165
01:16:56,190 --> 01:16:59,070
Hey, we are living the
international the New

1166
01:16:59,070 --> 01:17:03,060
International lifestyle of value
for value. Boost. That's right

1167
01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:05,550
there. You got it. He's living
it too.

1168
01:17:06,150 --> 01:17:13,620
He is tota in Brisbane and Joel
w 96 sets. And the reason I read

1169
01:17:13,620 --> 01:17:16,830
this was below the 1000 sat
limit but I've read it because

1170
01:17:16,830 --> 01:17:20,730
he said episode 96 approximately
96 minutes in length.

1171
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:22,140
Coincidence?

1172
01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:24,990
I think not a bombshell

1173
01:17:25,949 --> 01:17:31,109
Satoshis dot stream sued to have
a web version. Send us 5552 SAS

1174
01:17:31,109 --> 01:17:32,999
through fountain with a smiley
face emoji.

1175
01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:34,590
Oh, thank you very much.

1176
01:17:35,250 --> 01:17:38,820
Oh, wait another five another
5550 to three from Satoshis data

1177
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:41,970
stream. He says. You said no one
has done a graph of boosts and

1178
01:17:41,970 --> 01:17:45,750
listens over time. We had that
since the start. It's all in the

1179
01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:49,110
export nice grass per episode
even boosts per chapter if your

1180
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:52,890
podcast has chapters. I stand
100%. Correct. And you know,

1181
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,480
that is exactly right. I forgot

1182
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:57,750
they had that. I would love to
see that on a web version.

1183
01:17:58,380 --> 01:18:01,500
It's dynamite. Maybe they have a
web version is ended. Now. They

1184
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:03,900
have a web version, it will be
as hard to get to through the

1185
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:04,380
telegram.

1186
01:18:04,409 --> 01:18:06,569
Yeah. And then you know, because
what I'd love to do is I'd love

1187
01:18:06,569 --> 01:18:10,109
to put it in the split now. And
I can see how it shows up there.

1188
01:18:10,109 --> 01:18:12,449
Absolutely. I'm looking forward
to your web version.

1189
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:21,420
Boost. This. This is the in the
V for V. System. And I'm

1190
01:18:21,420 --> 01:18:24,900
assuming you're going to talk
about this as a key component.

1191
01:18:25,740 --> 01:18:29,490
In your part of the Podcast
Movement talk is you must

1192
01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:33,360
occasionally at least once per
show, say something that's wrong

1193
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:35,670
on purpose so that people

1194
01:18:36,030 --> 01:18:41,130
can correct you and boost us.
Yes. It's content programming.

1195
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:42,720
Yes. Very, very, very good.

1196
01:18:43,409 --> 01:18:46,979
Another boost from Satoshi
string 5552. He says Jack

1197
01:18:46,979 --> 01:18:50,549
reciter is using Satoshis dust
stream to Oh, awesome. Perfect,

1198
01:18:50,580 --> 01:18:51,270
excellent.

1199
01:18:54,210 --> 01:18:57,630
Okay, here's a boost from the
Polish Podcast Directory podcast

1200
01:18:57,630 --> 01:19:03,660
d dot info. Oh, now that is that
is spelled P O D KASTY. dot

1201
01:19:03,660 --> 01:19:04,080
info.

1202
01:19:04,379 --> 01:19:09,299
These are the guys that gave us
a whole list of podcasts that

1203
01:19:09,299 --> 01:19:10,649
weren't in our directory yet.

1204
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:16,620
The OPML gives big OPML Oh,
nice. Nice. Yeah. Give us a

1205
01:19:16,620 --> 01:19:17,520
Polish opium mill.

1206
01:19:18,779 --> 01:19:20,939
A Pope EML a pope Pope Ium.

1207
01:19:23,730 --> 01:19:28,470
We have. We have indexed over
7000 Polish language podcast. It

1208
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:32,940
is 2000 more since I send sent
to Dave our OPML file on October

1209
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:37,860
2020. Thank you for saving
freedom of podcasting updated

1210
01:19:37,860 --> 01:19:38,820
file is coming soon.

1211
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:42,930
You know this. This just takes
me back. Boy did I love The

1212
01:19:42,930 --> 01:19:44,400
original podcast index.

1213
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,570
I loved how that worked with the
length of emails. Yeah,

1214
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,930
I mean, it wasn't really an
index as much as it was a

1215
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:55,860
directory that you could and it
was nice about it. So you had

1216
01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:59,700
your OPML file and you could
pretty much organize any way you

1217
01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:02,850
want. And then, you know, if you
said, you could be your own top

1218
01:20:02,850 --> 01:20:06,270
level, and you'd say I want I
want to organize this by

1219
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:10,350
categories, and you'd look for
someone who had done stuff with

1220
01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:13,530
aviation, and then underneath
that you could put helicopters

1221
01:20:13,530 --> 01:20:16,980
or you know, Cessna us or
whatever. You can kind of string

1222
01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,460
it together yourself. And then
there was a web rendering of it.

1223
01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:23,430
I mean, I'm not I'm just waxing
on. But God, I love that. I

1224
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:28,080
still love that idea of OPML
files linked together. It's so,

1225
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:29,190
so cool.

1226
01:20:29,550 --> 01:20:33,840
Is there any type of database
that does that today? Like? Is

1227
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,100
there a way that we could like,

1228
01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:38,040
well, the Freedom The Freedom
controller does it remember the

1229
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,560
feet of the Freedom controller,
we built the freedom controller

1230
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,130
around this is part of the the
original functionality that we

1231
01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:45,030
liked so much.

1232
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,810
We used to use that as an
instant messages chat. This is

1233
01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:51,540
the message. Let me let me
explain this to people who

1234
01:20:51,540 --> 01:20:52,260
didn't understand

1235
01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:55,950
Mary is a very fucking cool
system. That of course, exactly

1236
01:20:55,950 --> 01:20:57,480
two people on earth used?

1237
01:20:57,690 --> 01:21:02,040
Yes, yes. We So imagine you have
an OPML file.

1238
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,610
And people have to understand
this is not just the OPML file,

1239
01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:10,620
as you might know it. Because in
each node on an OPML, and

1240
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:14,400
outline, there's attribute and
that has been totally

1241
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,300
bastardized, you know, so the
people with an AR an OPML, five

1242
01:21:18,330 --> 01:21:23,670
file of RSS feeds, you have like
1/16, of the functionality of

1243
01:21:23,670 --> 01:21:24,330
OPML.

1244
01:21:25,020 --> 01:21:28,830
Yeah, yeah, you, everybody
thinks that OPML is just for

1245
01:21:28,830 --> 01:21:32,070
importing and exporting RSS
feeds. And that's not at all.

1246
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:35,190
That's not at all what it in
fact, that's what full length,

1247
01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:38,640
that's what killed OPML it is it
is a misunderstanding of what is

1248
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:43,110
use was dope. OPML is a full
outlining markup language. And

1249
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:48,960
one of the one of the attributes
on each node is to include the

1250
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,490
URL of another OPML file, so
that when you can see that when

1251
01:21:53,490 --> 01:21:58,650
you're going down and expanding
the nodes of your outline, if it

1252
01:21:58,650 --> 01:22:02,130
sees a reference to the URL of
another OPML file, when you

1253
01:22:02,130 --> 01:22:05,730
expand the node, it goes out and
grabs all the nodes from the

1254
01:22:05,730 --> 01:22:09,150
other outline and puts them as
children of the node, you just,

1255
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,050
you just expanded

1256
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,860
and preserved the state, which
the original author of that

1257
01:22:13,890 --> 01:22:20,670
remote node saved it in. It's
really, really, really cool.

1258
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,600
So what we did was, we were
using it, we just had an

1259
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,840
outline, instant outline, I
would instantly Yeah, and I

1260
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,350
would have I would have an OPML
file and Adam would have an OPML

1261
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:34,800
file, and we would have a master
OPML file that just referenced

1262
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,800
each of the two and then every
occasionally I would just

1263
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:43,770
collapse and re expand my my
mind node that referenced Adams

1264
01:22:43,770 --> 01:22:47,550
OPML and all the latest stuff he
wrote in his outline would come

1265
01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:50,970
into my outline. And that's how
we That's how literally how we

1266
01:22:50,970 --> 01:22:52,650
communicated for like five years

1267
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,910
then we also did the watch this
this outline, so that if you

1268
01:22:56,910 --> 01:23:00,540
would updated your outline, then
it would go bold in my outline,

1269
01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:03,480
so I knew there was something
new and I could expand it and

1270
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,540
get your new stuff. Why don't we
lay it out anymore? Why don't we

1271
01:23:06,540 --> 01:23:06,840
start

1272
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,920
later you know, later what we
did was put into the freedom

1273
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,390
controller the email thing, and
if if an outline ever changed,

1274
01:23:15,540 --> 01:23:18,780
it would diff it and send you
the process do the nodes that

1275
01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:21,150
obtain we did a bunch of crazy
stuff man.

1276
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,380
Nothing is successful with this
project. No.

1277
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,910
Coal McCormick sent us 3000 SATs
through fountain nice that's

1278
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:34,890
cool. Because you asked the way
I'm able to give 2000 SATs for a

1279
01:23:34,890 --> 01:23:39,000
listen is through fountain
promotion feature. Money goes in

1280
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:43,770
20% goes to the app rest of it
is sets to give away my vision

1281
01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:47,190
is to be known as the guy who
gives his audience the most sets

1282
01:23:47,730 --> 01:23:50,850
I'm doing this on the last
Sunday of every month for one

1283
01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:55,590
year. Karen down did V for V
episode and split focusing in

1284
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:58,650
Split focusing on my show
America plus and breaks it down

1285
01:23:58,650 --> 01:23:59,250
wonderfully.

1286
01:23:59,340 --> 01:24:02,040
Oh, okay. That's a good show.
Excellent.

1287
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:09,180
Yeah. Thanks for the explanation
be be glass too soon as 1221

1288
01:24:09,180 --> 01:24:11,160
SATs through fountain you need
just as boost.

1289
01:24:11,369 --> 01:24:12,869
Gotcha. Boost

1290
01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:19,110
anonymous. Says 100 sasses
podcasts index lb love child

1291
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:23,940
test. I just thought that was
funny. That Amy sent his 500

1292
01:24:23,940 --> 01:24:29,460
SATs and said LB is awesome. Yes
it is. Bumi we know Bumi is on

1293
01:24:29,460 --> 01:24:32,250
the show last week send us 1000
SATs he says whoo What a

1294
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:36,480
beautiful day I'm reviewing the
booster gram pull request

1295
01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:41,730
all right. Oh, that's probably
the booster grams from the page.

1296
01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:44,160
Is it not know

1297
01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:49,080
this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For
the for the podcast index

1298
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,470
website. Please talk about Yeah,
quick update.

1299
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:56,880
Mitch just sent a test sending
1000 SATs from pod verse mobile.

1300
01:24:56,910 --> 01:25:00,420
There we go. Oh, nice. Adam did
the amount show up and LeapPad

1301
01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:03,030
correctly this time. Yes, it
did. Because I was getting just

1302
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:06,540
the split, I was getting 10 SATs
instead of showing up in helipad

1303
01:25:06,540 --> 01:25:11,400
instead of 1000 SATs. Okay, that
was my bug report. That bug

1304
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,220
report was ordered an hour ago
and it's fixed the course.

1305
01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:17,730
podcast in 2.0. We got some
scissor cuts, but it's fixed.

1306
01:25:18,330 --> 01:25:21,660
budget budget tests boost for
Mitch. Thank you, Mitch. The

1307
01:25:21,660 --> 01:25:22,980
1000s 1000 Each here

1308
01:25:22,980 --> 01:25:24,870
they are boost boost boost bunch

1309
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:32,040
of them. Brian of London since
1948 1948 says he's really

1310
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:37,620
podcast index webpage is through
the podcast in this web page.

1311
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:42,360
Podcast index. Oh, cool. Yeah.
Nice. He says, he says, Well,

1312
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:43,500
hello. Well, hello.

1313
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:49,800
Well, hello. snow boots. Now
what I meant was, how are you

1314
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,650
doing? Here we go. How you
doing? Bucha.

1315
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:56,850
See, dubs send us 10,101 says to
the boost CLI. And he says

1316
01:25:56,850 --> 01:26:01,050
GitHub is centralized and
censorship is unacceptable. Git

1317
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,140
is a decentralized protocol. But
how long would it take to get

1318
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:07,680
development going? Again, if
GitHub de platformed us today, I

1319
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,610
plead the board to consider self
hosting these critical services

1320
01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:16,920
at least as a backup. See, he's
got that link here. Click on it.

1321
01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:19,650
You just click on it.

1322
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:29,130
Is there not? A is there not
like a Git server in the Umbral?

1323
01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:34,500
Oh, I don't know is there and
you're and the only reason I

1324
01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:36,900
bring it up? Let me see the only
reason I bring it up is that

1325
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:40,950
could be kind of nice as a
backup. Everyone could be could

1326
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:43,920
run one. Let me see. Don't we
have a get something I'm looking

1327
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,690
at their their athletes

1328
01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:52,890
is link is to get get T gi T EA.
And what's interesting about

1329
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:58,830
this page that I'm looking at
get t.io is evidently their

1330
01:26:58,830 --> 01:26:59,130
source.

1331
01:27:00,449 --> 01:27:01,859
Gi T EA

1332
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,610
their source code is evidently
hosted on GitHub. And let's

1333
01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:11,160
see, here we go. Yeah, so I can
set it up right here a painless

1334
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,920
self hosted Git service and
where to GitHub, Bitbucket and

1335
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:19,440
GitLab. You can fully self
hosted and private and can you

1336
01:27:19,470 --> 01:27:20,310
import.

1337
01:27:22,949 --> 01:27:28,049
No, probably I am not opposed to
getting to getting off GitHub. I

1338
01:27:28,049 --> 01:27:33,539
just went. I just need it to not
be a barrier for people to do

1339
01:27:33,749 --> 01:27:34,589
contributions.

1340
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:38,700
Oh, let's leave it on. Let's
just leave it on GitHub and oh,

1341
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:42,570
here mirror repository
repository from GitHub. Hello.

1342
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:46,529
Oh, okay. Okay, so that's the
thing. He does it right here.

1343
01:27:46,559 --> 01:27:50,729
Yeah, you can just you can just
make a backup. Yeah. On your own

1344
01:27:50,729 --> 01:27:51,359
down with that.

1345
01:27:51,359 --> 01:27:54,389
Yeah. All right. Are you gonna
do it? Or do I do it? No, I'll

1346
01:27:54,389 --> 01:27:55,109
do it. Okay.

1347
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,200
I'll do it when I get my up my
father. Follow up.

1348
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,670
Okay. When I get five oh, Hawaii
Five. Oh.

1349
01:28:04,770 --> 01:28:10,800
Okay. Jean Everett sent us
33 333 33,333 Says who? Fountain

1350
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:11,430
fall, man.

1351
01:28:11,460 --> 01:28:15,990
He's blue. I just said Hawaii
Five. Oh, yeah. I just felt like

1352
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:22,620
I needed to play it. Come on,
man. doesn't miss getting

1353
01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:27,570
pumped. How did you find that?
Get ready for it. Here we go.

1354
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,970
Sorry, I just feel so good on a
Friday afternoon. That's

1355
01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:40,290
me. You had that thing in your
back pocket that came out of

1356
01:28:40,290 --> 01:28:44,790
nowhere. Sorry. You just said
you had a cute you've had that

1357
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:45,990
thing queued up for six months

1358
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:48,600
waiting. Waiting for the right
Friday. Yeah, that's right.

1359
01:28:48,780 --> 01:28:49,350
Exactly.

1360
01:28:49,949 --> 01:28:53,579
He says G never 333 333 says
boost

1361
01:28:53,580 --> 01:28:54,480
Joe.

1362
01:28:54,810 --> 01:29:01,080
Boost. First time. First time
longtime podcaster what he's

1363
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,870
trying to say here. He's got
emojis sprinkled in here. I

1364
01:29:03,870 --> 01:29:06,990
don't know. Okay, first time
longtime thank you for what you

1365
01:29:06,990 --> 01:29:10,920
guys are doing. You're changing
the world. Oh, and hi folks.

1366
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,350
Follow me on hive. Oh jeans a
hive guy.

1367
01:29:13,380 --> 01:29:16,020
Okay. All right. Hey, Hiber
nice. How you doing? Hi, Eva.

1368
01:29:16,529 --> 01:29:22,259
Thank you Jane. See Jean ever
came in again with 100,000 says

1369
01:29:22,319 --> 01:29:23,639
oh

1370
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,560
shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula

1371
01:29:28,590 --> 01:29:35,670
who's this? Jean Everett boost.
So he says please credit the

1372
01:29:35,670 --> 01:29:39,360
second boost for me today to the
Adam curry fan page on Hive at

1373
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:40,260
Adam curry. 30

1374
01:29:40,980 --> 01:29:44,250
Oh, I have a fan page nine he
did. I didn't know this. All

1375
01:29:44,250 --> 01:29:44,640
right.

1376
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:49,800
Ps are monk born and raised and
my mom spoke extremely highly of

1377
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:50,760
Eugene curry.

1378
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:56,220
Oh, my grandfather. Come Nice.
Yeah, Eugene curry. He was quite

1379
01:29:56,220 --> 01:29:59,490
the upstanding member of the
community. Oh

1380
01:29:59,490 --> 01:30:02,340
my god. Bless the curry clan.
I'll give more details when I

1381
01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:04,500
donate to na next. Oh, nice.

1382
01:30:04,710 --> 01:30:08,340
That's so nice. I'd love to hear
about it. Yeah, I mean, my dad

1383
01:30:08,340 --> 01:30:12,690
grew up in Armand, I've been in
Armonk, all my life. Visiting.

1384
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,320
My uncle 94 still lives in that
house.

1385
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:23,220
My mom is the home home base of
IBM IBM. Yeah. Are they still

1386
01:30:23,220 --> 01:30:24,450
there? They still have a
presence you

1387
01:30:24,449 --> 01:30:27,329
bet. Yeah. Okay, that's still
that's still there. HQ.

1388
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:33,000
Macintosh 2222 through found and
he says good episode as always,

1389
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:34,890
Macintosh. Thank you, Macintosh.

1390
01:30:38,069 --> 01:30:39,449
We love rows of ducks.

1391
01:30:40,409 --> 01:30:46,649
Brian of London in the hive Dao,
send us 40,550 He says Shabbat

1392
01:30:46,649 --> 01:30:49,979
Shalom Leeroy II Vinnie be in
but

1393
01:30:50,819 --> 01:30:52,799
okay, Shabbat Shalom, y'all.

1394
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:57,660
That's the way you say that in
Texas.

1395
01:30:57,689 --> 01:31:02,759
That's right. Well, my partner
Ron Blum was a Jew from Atlanta.

1396
01:31:03,659 --> 01:31:06,929
Okay, and so, you know, I've
done many Seders and stuff like

1397
01:31:06,929 --> 01:31:12,989
that at his house and it was
like Shabbat Shalom, y'all got

1398
01:31:12,989 --> 01:31:14,429
any RC Cola?

1399
01:31:15,329 --> 01:31:17,579
Let, let me try that. Let me
give this another shot again,

1400
01:31:17,579 --> 01:31:20,039
because I think he's trying to
send Roy a message as he says,

1401
01:31:20,189 --> 01:31:23,459
Shabbat shalom. The RO ye be in
bacha?

1402
01:31:24,030 --> 01:31:28,440
Oh, are we going to? Oh, I know.
Yeah. Yes. Move over. I want to

1403
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:30,990
be in those silk sheets. I think
what that man

1404
01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:39,750
this is that is not appropriate.
Brian. He's blueberry sent a

1405
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:47,640
17,776 size sound and he says
148 unique geometric boosts. I

1406
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,970
don't know what that means. Wow.
No, I like it. Those two grand

1407
01:31:51,330 --> 01:31:52,260
geometric

1408
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,280
that's a booster gram.

1409
01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:54,509
It's a puzzle gram.

1410
01:31:55,290 --> 01:32:00,090
Okay. 100 Let's start at 148
unique geometric boosts checked

1411
01:32:00,420 --> 01:32:05,760
22 different ISO boost based
boost but playing just super

1412
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,390
bitchin. Dave can you channel
your inner warlord of the

1413
01:32:09,390 --> 01:32:13,770
Wasteland? Hashtag humongous
vibes and hit me with bring

1414
01:32:13,770 --> 01:32:15,510
forth the goat counter.

1415
01:32:17,790 --> 01:32:19,260
What exactly does he want?

1416
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:23,640
I don't know. I think is are you
wanting me to say that bring

1417
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:30,690
forth the goat counter. I hope
that's what he wanted.

1418
01:32:30,689 --> 01:32:32,339
But he's got it. That's what he
got.

1419
01:32:32,939 --> 01:32:38,969
Blueberry. You're weird dude.
But I love you. Scotty is Cora

1420
01:32:39,929 --> 01:32:44,159
51 SATs Van Halen boost and he
says another eruption of SATs

1421
01:32:44,969 --> 01:32:45,479
bam

1422
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:54,270
bam thank you again for another
great show. I look forward each

1423
01:32:54,270 --> 01:32:56,910
week for the show and the
ability to give you guys value

1424
01:32:56,910 --> 01:32:59,100
back for the excitement you give
me each episode.

1425
01:32:59,130 --> 01:33:01,710
Oh, thank you. That's exactly
what I love hearing. That's how

1426
01:33:01,710 --> 01:33:03,600
it works value for value in a
nutshell.

1427
01:33:04,409 --> 01:33:09,299
I'd love it. 2222 from last me
says Dave, presentation slides

1428
01:33:09,299 --> 01:33:12,569
in a row. Thanks to Mr. Cridland
for fixing my pull request for

1429
01:33:12,569 --> 01:33:16,439
the road ducks 2220 Satoshis to
booster grid to the Mr. Graham

1430
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,309
numerology page on GitHub. Yeah,
Lyceum para Petros is now a

1431
01:33:20,309 --> 01:33:27,449
contributor running with
scissors. Very nice. How do I

1432
01:33:28,619 --> 01:33:31,469
how do I check incoming sets
from different apps my main

1433
01:33:31,469 --> 01:33:35,189
podcatcher is now fountain. But
I will also use pod verse curio

1434
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:37,979
caster caster Matic POS station
breeze and boost the hill. Hi.

1435
01:33:38,609 --> 01:33:42,029
Is Ella pad easy to install for
a non techie person? Could you

1436
01:33:42,029 --> 01:33:46,049
integrate Alby to Martin? Linda
Scott? Well, yes, z as long as

1437
01:33:46,049 --> 01:33:51,059
you have a volume unknown role.
Yeah. So even if you don't have

1438
01:33:51,059 --> 01:33:54,839
an envoy, you just have a node.
It's still pretty easy. Yeah,

1439
01:33:54,930 --> 01:33:59,490
I would say the easiest way is
to is to run an Umbral. And

1440
01:33:59,490 --> 01:34:06,630
then, so what I do is I make
sure that my Umbral has a 1%

1441
01:34:06,630 --> 01:34:10,680
split for my podcasts, so I'm
not so I'm not really receiving

1442
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,520
the bulk of any SATs coming in,
but I'm using it for helipad

1443
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,840
mainly. Okay, and then after a
while, those SATs stack up and

1444
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,150
you know, you you can fill up
your wallet with it.

1445
01:34:21,689 --> 01:34:28,319
He got some Jack got some
scratch. If you need Martin, if

1446
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,049
you need help, if you don't have
an Umbral note and you have some

1447
01:34:31,109 --> 01:34:34,739
other node, and you need help
with what the configuration

1448
01:34:34,739 --> 01:34:37,139
files supposed to look like for
help at tell me and I will be

1449
01:34:37,139 --> 01:34:41,309
glad Yeah, boost your questions.
Yes, and I will reply without

1450
01:34:41,309 --> 01:34:46,469
boosting you back boost your
questions. The delimiter comes

1451
01:34:46,469 --> 01:34:48,719
through blogger 15,033 sets

1452
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,540
Yeah, there is everybody. He
says

1453
01:34:51,690 --> 01:34:54,930
Hi, Adam and Dave. Please keep
doing unbelievable things.

1454
01:34:55,590 --> 01:35:00,540
Satoshi by Satoshi to the
extreme. Anyways, Y'all are

1455
01:35:00,540 --> 01:35:03,570
invited to the podcast about the
most important tech invented by

1456
01:35:03,570 --> 01:35:08,070
mankind. Artificial
Intelligence, narrated by silky

1457
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:12,090
voice of Gregory William
Forsythe Forman view from Kitt.

1458
01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:17,610
Just type in your browser or any
podcaster podcatcher AI dot

1459
01:35:17,610 --> 01:35:19,380
cooking. Yo,

1460
01:35:20,489 --> 01:35:25,559
yo, back atcha bombshell.
Nothing from Roy Hmm.

1461
01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:27,450
Not a singer after all

1462
01:35:27,449 --> 01:35:29,039
that after all that.

1463
01:35:29,490 --> 01:35:32,760
Usually what happens? This is
the way that it goes down almost

1464
01:35:33,210 --> 01:35:37,230
once a month is I don't read
anything from Roy and then he

1465
01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:38,280
emails like hey,

1466
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:42,180
man, are you okay? Man was up.

1467
01:35:42,689 --> 01:35:44,999
Yeah, he's like, why don't you
read my boost? I'm like, Oh

1468
01:35:44,999 --> 01:35:48,149
crap, and I go look for it. And
it was there, and I missed it.

1469
01:35:48,179 --> 01:35:51,989
So it's just like, this is the
way that I get ROI to talk to

1470
01:35:51,989 --> 01:35:54,239
me. Otherwise you won't ever
email. He won't message me.

1471
01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:59,400
He's been distracted. Okay, I
called him the other day. Okay,

1472
01:35:59,490 --> 01:36:01,890
yeah, he's been distract. He's
just has to do like business

1473
01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:04,920
stuff. That's just very
destructive for guys like Roy.

1474
01:36:05,970 --> 01:36:09,000
Yeah, yeah, that. I just wanna
make sure he didn't run out of

1475
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:09,600
stats.

1476
01:36:10,980 --> 01:36:13,230
No, I think that's why he was
doing business stuff like shit.

1477
01:36:13,230 --> 01:36:16,500
I gotta boost these guys. Yeah.

1478
01:36:17,489 --> 01:36:19,529
Gotta get out of the robe. All

1479
01:36:19,529 --> 01:36:22,559
right, what else do we need to
do for today's Board meeting? Is

1480
01:36:22,559 --> 01:36:25,169
there anything that we need to
cover that we haven't done yet?

1481
01:36:25,829 --> 01:36:30,689
Well, I'm looking through the
list here. Oh,

1482
01:36:31,020 --> 01:36:33,720
by the way, I should mention
Brees has updated their app

1483
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:38,370
they've got now you can do icon
view and you can their stats so

1484
01:36:38,370 --> 01:36:40,980
you can see who you've boosted
how much so they're they're

1485
01:36:40,980 --> 01:36:44,190
really coming up on the on the
podcast app side now which is

1486
01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:44,910
nice to see.

1487
01:36:46,710 --> 01:36:52,620
Dan Benjamin been talking with
him a lot lately. He is putting

1488
01:36:52,650 --> 01:36:57,810
he's gonna head pin pod ping
into fireside cool and I'm

1489
01:36:57,810 --> 01:37:00,840
helping him through that so that
he can get ready for the live

1490
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:04,980
item stuff. He said live item is
going to is going to take some

1491
01:37:04,980 --> 01:37:06,750
database changes for him. He's
gonna He's

1492
01:37:06,750 --> 01:37:11,790
gonna offer live item with a
stream to his to his podcasters

1493
01:37:12,689 --> 01:37:15,629
not with a stream initially, but
he's just going to do he's gonna

1494
01:37:15,629 --> 01:37:17,609
put support in it. So the feed
because

1495
01:37:17,789 --> 01:37:20,429
it seems to me like even that is
something that you could

1496
01:37:20,429 --> 01:37:21,809
Dockerized real quick.

1497
01:37:23,310 --> 01:37:24,120
A stream server?

1498
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:27,089
Yeah. And fire up. If someone's
doing a stream just haven't they

1499
01:37:27,089 --> 01:37:32,399
fire up a little Docker thing.
And then good to go. In a

1500
01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:35,579
podcast host. I'm just I'm just
drinking. I'm just Mr. Docker

1501
01:37:35,579 --> 01:37:38,309
now now that I've had to deal
with it. Like, oh, this is

1502
01:37:38,309 --> 01:37:38,999
pretty cool.

1503
01:37:40,140 --> 01:37:44,310
Yeah, I know. I agree. I don't
know how much. I feel like you

1504
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:46,980
could do that. Maybe I'm crazy.

1505
01:37:46,980 --> 01:37:49,620
It's a bit like, like dashboards
on voltage, you know, it's the

1506
01:37:49,620 --> 01:37:53,730
same thing. It's like, you know,
it's firing up a Docker and and

1507
01:37:53,730 --> 01:37:56,700
then you got a whole machine you
log into, and then you've got a

1508
01:37:56,700 --> 01:37:57,690
thunder hub, you know?

1509
01:37:58,710 --> 01:38:03,030
And you could keep a fleet of
them running. Yeah. Like, I

1510
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:05,790
don't know, do you remember? Did
you ever you ran your own Apache

1511
01:38:05,790 --> 01:38:10,320
at some point in time, right?
Yes, of course. Do you remember

1512
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:10,950
how

1513
01:38:12,449 --> 01:38:14,129
that's where it works comes
from?

1514
01:38:14,909 --> 01:38:19,379
Yeah, it worked. Do you remember
how Apache had this notion of

1515
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:24,029
child processes? And Max? Max
number of waiting process?

1516
01:38:24,059 --> 01:38:26,909
No, man, I'm still at cgi bin
baby. I don't know.

1517
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:32,970
Oh, Lord. Server side includes
server side includes

1518
01:38:35,069 --> 01:38:36,599
the link link tag,

1519
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,980
the so in the Apache config
file, you would specify Okay,

1520
01:38:41,010 --> 01:38:44,310
the minimum spare servers I
think is what it was called. And

1521
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:44,490
so

1522
01:38:44,490 --> 01:38:47,670
it would keep Oh, yes, yes, I do
recall this parameter. Sure.

1523
01:38:47,730 --> 01:38:52,290
Yeah. If you had like 50 hits,
that all spawned a process, it

1524
01:38:52,290 --> 01:38:56,580
would always be sure to keep it
at least like five ready to go.

1525
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:59,940
And like, I wonder if you could
do it that way where you had

1526
01:38:59,940 --> 01:39:03,120
like a fleet and you say, Okay,
I'm always going to keep five

1527
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:08,370
stream servers spun up ready to
go. And then as, as the streams

1528
01:39:08,370 --> 01:39:11,490
fall off, and you don't need as
many you begin to prune back on

1529
01:39:11,490 --> 01:39:14,040
and kill the doctor's notes. You
always keep at least a few

1530
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,040
running. So that they're
instant, you know, so you

1531
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,470
know, and what's it really going
to be I mean, no agenda, which

1532
01:39:19,470 --> 01:39:24,570
is pretty big show. Now we're
between two and 3000 streams on

1533
01:39:24,570 --> 01:39:26,970
any given show day. So it's not
going to break the bank.

1534
01:39:28,050 --> 01:39:32,190
Well, oh, Mehta said, as you're
a cast as a Dockerized ice cast

1535
01:39:32,190 --> 01:39:37,800
liquid soap in a box. Oh, there
you go. You go and work. I mean,

1536
01:39:38,970 --> 01:39:43,470
this just sounds doable to me. I
don't does bandwidth. What's

1537
01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:47,610
your bandwidth? What stream rate
do you use on the on your

1538
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:48,090
stream?

1539
01:39:48,119 --> 01:39:55,349
Well, let me see. I use See
128 120

1540
01:39:55,470 --> 01:39:59,460
Now. I can't I'm not good enough
to do the math for all that.

1541
01:39:59,490 --> 01:40:04,590
Well, if you have If you have
1000, then you have a year at a

1542
01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:09,000
megabit per second, I think. I
don't know. I don't know.

1543
01:40:09,599 --> 01:40:12,449
That doesn't seem I mean, that
just doesn't seem that Oh, it's

1544
01:40:12,449 --> 01:40:13,139
just getting it

1545
01:40:13,140 --> 01:40:17,370
all working. And you know,
someone's got to fire up a

1546
01:40:17,370 --> 01:40:20,430
streaming server. You know, this
is stuff the stuff to be done.

1547
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,570
Stuff. Sorry, long COVID still.

1548
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:30,600
Yeah, but that's nothing. That's
doable. As he wants me to do I

1549
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,040
want somebody to do the full
monty.

1550
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,510
They're going to they're going
to and Apple is going to

1551
01:40:36,510 --> 01:40:39,600
integrate all even the lit tag
you watch. You

1552
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:42,269
know, I don't disbelieve

1553
01:40:42,270 --> 01:40:44,160
for all your children leave the
house.

1554
01:40:45,899 --> 01:40:48,689
Oh, see, we get Yeah, we get at
least six years.

1555
01:40:48,809 --> 01:40:54,839
I'm telling you. It'll happen.
All right, Dave. Two, we call it

1556
01:40:54,839 --> 01:40:56,999
a day. Sure. Yeah, we

1557
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,580
got I got more stuff. But we can
we get another show next week.

1558
01:40:59,580 --> 01:41:00,660
That's the beautiful thing about
PUC

1559
01:41:00,659 --> 01:41:04,109
and we do and then the week
after that we're going to be in

1560
01:41:04,619 --> 01:41:07,619
in Dallas, from Podcast
Movement. And we'll do the board

1561
01:41:07,619 --> 01:41:10,259
meeting from from Dallas. We're
not quite sure how we're going

1562
01:41:10,259 --> 01:41:10,529
to do it

1563
01:41:10,529 --> 01:41:13,259
yet. But we will do it. We'll
make it up on the fly like

1564
01:41:13,259 --> 01:41:13,949
teenagers do.

1565
01:41:14,189 --> 01:41:18,599
And again, Dave, congratulations
on all of the success. Yeah, me

1566
01:41:18,599 --> 01:41:20,879
too. And everybody else
everybody listening. Thank you

1567
01:41:20,879 --> 01:41:24,659
so much for attending the board
meeting for podcasting. 2.0 Next

1568
01:41:24,659 --> 01:41:27,809
week, we'll be back with more
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1569
01:41:27,809 --> 01:41:29,639
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