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Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June
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splitting the time.

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Friday again, hello everybody.
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end, please say hello, Mr. Dave
Jones

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We scissor everything we are
singing Thank you. We are

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scissoring big time today.

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I'm sorry, that sounds
completely wrong doesn't

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mean this. You got you just
rigged it up. I was not

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expecting this. I was not
expecting you to have new rig

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edge. Yes, rig edge is in the
studio and

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Okay, so I might as well explain
exactly what's happening. I have

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the road caster Pro two.

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It came in, it came in and

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Okay, so for people listening,
they'll be like, Well, it sounds

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different doesn't sound right.
Of course it's not.

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Because trying to set the sound
of a new device is almost like

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wine tasting, where you taste
some wine and you're like, Okay,

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I liked that. It didn't like it.
But then you have a palate

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cleanser. You know you have a
palate cleanser, or you spit it

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out and then wash out your
mouth. You can't do that with

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your ears. You know, or at least
not heard no way. First off.

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Yeah. What I heard when I first
attached to the clean feed was

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what sounded to me like

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somebody had drugs. Should I
even say it?

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I don't want to pollute the the
ear like pollute the mind.

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Pulusu if you say what you heard
then people will probably take

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take offense. I'm not going to
do it. I'm keeping it to myself.

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Yeah, I'm keeping his mess. I
mean, I'm trying to be a Somali

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a in it's not that I don't want
an audio Somalia. Yes, exactly.

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Yes. Yes. Yeah. I hate the way
it sounds at this moment. It's

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it sounds boomy, it sounds
roomy, I'm not quite sure what

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to think of it.

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But we'll just you know, we'll
just do the show. See, see how

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we get through it. And then I
can adjust stuff accordingly.

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Well, what is your overall yes
impression? Yes. This is what I

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wanted to Gosh, it doesn't sound
like I'm talking through a 1950s

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microphone. Is that just my
ears? Now? It does a little bit.

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It does a little bit, but it's
not a bad thing. No, it's not

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like Yeah, you sound mostly like
yourself to me. Okay. Like, I

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don't know exactly what I mean
by that. Because I don't know

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enough about audio to know what
particular things right. Like

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your your tone. Yeah. And like,

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how do I describe

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the way it feels like it's EQ
and the tone and everything is?

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That stuff feels right, that
does that does feel right. Okay.

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Well, this is that's exactly
what doesn't sound right. To me.

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To me. It sounds like

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well, then you're probably
right. And I'm completely right.

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No, no, no, no, no. I mean,
it's, again, you know, I have a

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hearing problems no matter what.

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Okay, here, let me let me do
terrible. Half, half as attempts

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at describing Okay, when you're
not your music guy, you know

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what, you know what audio sounds
like? Okay, it sounds like

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you are.

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Okay, the difference between you
remember how like in the old

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days you would have

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look on a CRT,

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the image would be, well, you
could always tell that the image

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was slightly on the back of the
glass. So there's always a

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little bit of distance between
the front of the glass and where

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the image was.

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It feels sort of like that, but
with audio. It's like it feels

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like there's a sort of gap
between my ears and your voice

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whereas what I'm used to with
you is feeling like you're right

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in my eardrum like, which is
what I want to be. Yeah, of

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course. Yeah.

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I'll be honest with you. That's
kind of the spot that I'm hoping

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for. Yeah.

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I feel like you're

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you know, you're not you're not
right up in. You're not You're

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not punching my eardrums like
you normally. Yeah, I know.

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Exactly. I know exactly what
you're talking about. It's

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there's something going on.
There's something I actually do

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think it's EQ

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because I think although you
know, actually I did just a few.

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It only has a three band
parametric EQ, which is

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I wish it were at least five

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Over six, you know, because you
just can't you can set the bell

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curve, but you just can't get to
the right. And to me, it just

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sounds boomy. I hear the room.
You're not hearing that.

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I don't really hear maybe I'm
not. I don't know what I hear,

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honestly. Okay. I don't know
what I hear sounds. Normally

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you're just so present in the
ears. And this feels like

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there's a little bit of a gap.
Yeah, that's what I don't

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understand. That's so weird.

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What? What it what is it about?

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About the Motu? Well, that

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well, has that sound? Well,
first of all, it's always going

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to be the it's going to be the
the mic preamp, there's going to

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be a lot of different things.

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But it's actually quite a logo,
almost a messing around with

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stuff while I'm talking. It's a
very, it's a very, it's a very

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low grade kind of preamp. The
whole thing is it's really meant

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for for stage monitors. It's not
even meant for what I'm using it

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for.

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But it's also I've tweaked it
over, you know, years and years

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of using it into something that
I really love. I mean, it never

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happens right away. It's just

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goodness. It's just sweet talk
and you got to sweet you do you

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got to sweet talk. But now let
me talk about the device for a

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second. Okay, these guys fucking
nailed it.

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They nailed it. Oh, that's not
really nailed it. I still have

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to get the sound right. But they
nailed it.

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In fact, it feels very much like
the podcast or Pro that Sergio

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and I built back in the day. It
has kind of the same. They can

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see they solve things the same
way Now, mind you, I saw these

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things eight years ago, but
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This is this is your Trend your
10 years. Yeah, exactly. 10

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years. Your Thank you very much.
10 years too early once again.

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Even with the way the way I've
got to stop you. I can't help

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it. I have to stop you right
now.

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What you just hit the bell.
Yeah, I know. I know what you're

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gonna say. And then you heard
the noise gate go out. And then

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the bell stopped. And then I
started speaking you heard the

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bell in the background. I heard
your I actually heard you your

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hand. I could hear the the post
in the bill going up and down.

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Where instead of just that
instead of just I heard

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like I can hear that. Yeah,
like, that's some and I don't

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what is that? What is that's,
that's one of those sound

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effects.

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Okay, but, like that's what I
mean. I think there's some

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there's way too much compression
somewhere something is over

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compressed, and I'm picking up
the whole room.

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It's interesting, because no one
else seems to hear that. And was

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like, No, sounds good. Like, are
your neighbors pouring concrete?

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Exactly.

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Okay, sorry. I didn't mean to
interrupt though. It's okay.

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That's okay. Let me try. Oh,
wait a minute. How about this?

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This this this? I think I found
something. Oh, yeah, I think I

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think I found a little magic
touch here. Hello. Hello. Hello.

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Normally that sounded better.
Sounds better. Right? Yeah.

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Okay. Ooh, we're catching
button. I did. Oh, I'm not gonna

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tell you what it was either.
Otherwise, you're going to be

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touching it baby.

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Magic Button. I don't want you
to touch it the magic button.

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Okay. Now I feel better. That
that's really good. Yeah, it you

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know what? It's okay. So the
part they did really, really

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well, which I wasn't expecting
was they have a final, you know,

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an end, what do they call it the
master Compeller. And the master

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compiler is, you know, it's
basically a it's a it compels

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the signal. So you can kind of
mash everything together. This

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is what was missing from every
single device. And on the road

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caster, the original version.
They they had it, but it would

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only do that in the export of
the audio file. I wouldn't do it

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live in real time. So now they
have it in real time. It you

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know, I still need to do a few
things here. But that was a

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magic button that really that
made a huge difference.

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And you're using that button is
called the Compeller. The mass

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is not just the compiler. It's
the master Compeller.

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The master compiler and I don't
understand this master compiler.

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It's like a compressor limiter.
It's a compression limiter

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basically. Now you probably also
don't hear me as delayed as you

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were thinking before. Does it
feel like the CRT screen is

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closer now? Does it feel a
little bit closer? Yeah, it

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feels Yeah, it feels like I've
put it feels like I put on

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reading glasses. Now. It's just
a little bit closer.

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Now what I want is that I want
it I want it right

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I had him rattle my eyeballs.
Yeah, that's where I want to be.

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He says, okay, yeah, this is,
I'm gonna leave it the way it is

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for now. So I'm just gonna get
back to my review. Okay, yes,

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this thing is completely
configurable. You can put it

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together however you want. It
has three USB interfaces, split

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up over two different USBC
plugs. So you can split

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functionality between two
different computers if you want

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to. That'd be really, these guys
thought of everything we thought

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of. I mean, but they went way
beyond, because it's in a

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beautiful box that got faders.
And ours was all software, we

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were never intending to have a
whole physical box with faders

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or anything.

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It's, I have to say, blows me
away. And now that I'm starting

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to figure out the sound a little
better. I'm going to be really

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happy with this box.

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That I mean, it sounds I can
tell about the sound that the

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sound is there. Like, yeah, it's
there. You just got to dial it

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like the other day. That was no,
I didn't have it would never be

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there. Now. It didn't have it
didn't have it at all. So can

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you do? So what about the
physical interface? Like the

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buttons and the triggers? Oh,
that was I mean, you're using

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any of that. Yeah, I actually I
loaded up the cars.

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Just for use sake, I really want
to be able to use the Smart pads

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for for instead of a cart deck
that I have, because then you're

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dealing with yet another screen
and with you know, and I was

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that's and I basically just had
this cart deck open and I mouse

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over and I'd click on stuff. I
used to have a touchscreen. But

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you know, touchscreens are a
real pain in the ass and, you

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know, your computer reboots. And
that, oh, it's misconfigured

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memory, how many times you went
through that shifts? Yes.

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Horrible. You had an iPad at one
point where you're triggering, I

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think, yeah, but that one had
its own problems because it

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would work through

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through the network. So it would
talk to your to the program on

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your computer. So you had to be
either on you have to be on the

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same network segment. And then
invariably I go to a hotel and

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then you can already imagine how
that would go down. Oh, Lord

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trying trying to route my iPad
to trigger something through the

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hotel network routing? Yes. And
that's not going to work. And so

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that actually, so I haven't
loaded in my eyes aren't quite

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good enough to see exactly what
I have to get. Get used to where

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all the buttons are. That's the
most important one. And that

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one, of course. So is are these
mp3 Is that you load into the

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into the hardware. Yeah, there's
a software companion software

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that you can also you don't need
the software at all, you don't

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need to hook it up to a computer
and the thing will work.

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The metering is good as it can
be used for anything. You could

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use it for your band, you could
use it to record I mean, I

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haven't probably they've got a
lot of effects in there, which

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will be fun once I've got the
actual sound worked out. And

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that sounds yeah, I've got all
that the way I want it, like

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demon voice and all that is go
EMB you can actually set the

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depth. So you know, cuz usually
it's kind of lame, these things.

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And you know, they have all
their standard sound effects and

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like, Oh, that's so nice. You
know, I have a DJ Khaled sound,

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I ripped that out right away go
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Like, so could you use it on
Linux without any problems?

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I don't see why not.

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That will once I have it working
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the Studio Windows box, then I'm
definitely going to try it. I

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mean, it seems, it seems like
these two interfaces would work

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perfectly with whatever you
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nothing there's nothing fancy
about it. So yeah, so then it

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would just be a matter of the
the other software that I use,

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which is Windows based, but that
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that.

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You know, my, my midi control
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also do because now I have a
small What is it is a Korg nano

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controller, which which I use.
It's a MIDI controller and I

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control eight different players.
So if I have clips lined up, I

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want to do a sequence of things.
So that controls that. But I

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could also map the faders on the
road caster to do that as well.

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And how's it mean, how does it
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you have to map the you have to
map the faders through MIDI and

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right. Oh yeah, it's all MIDI.
Okay. Yeah. I mean, you've

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already got that you've got the
MIDI setup. Yes. Yeah. But I

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mean, I might try it with the
with the with the road caster

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I'll have to see. So but that's,
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about it's very configurable.
You can change you know you have

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Was it six faders. And then you
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which you can control separately
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right down to the, you know, if
you have an external outputs,

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studio monitors which I have a
small studio speaker,

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when you open up the mic speaker
goes off close the mic, then the

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speaker goes on. So that'd be
more for like a music program.

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Also, if we were listening to a
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outside of the recording.

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I know what I mean like

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so so if so let's say, just for
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music radio show and record is
playing and I'm going to have

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you on as a guest, I can get you
on clean feed, and then I can

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talk to you and we can talk to
each other outside of the

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broadcast. Just by me hitting
two buttons, and then I release

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them and then I can bring you in
on the air. You see what I'm

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saying? It's called it's like a
talkback.

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Yeah, like a like an IFBB for a
nice show. Yeah, exactly. Right,

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where I could even whisper
something in your ear while

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you're speaking.

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That, you know, but it wouldn't
be recorded when we go over the

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broadcast. Like right if you're
like, if you're trying to tell

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me not to answer that question
from the reporter. Exactly. Or

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next time we have a guest and
we're like, Oh, dude, like come

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on, man. Let's move this guy
along.

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Like that. I mean, that's that's
that's pretty sweet. I can

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already tell like I want this
thing but I can already tell

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there's way too much stuff and
stuff that I could I could screw

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up well, okay, so and I'll say
they did something else they

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have wizard so they do have
setup wizard and they have

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a standard or a couple of
different standard settings that

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they preset for you. So it'll
sound kind of good. I found the

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manual to be pretty reasonable.
Oh, yeah. Pretty good manual.

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It's it's online, but you know,
it's put into sections and it's

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it's good. Especially for the
price I think I was like 500

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bucks or something. Now I was
hearing that it was

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the gain was enough to power
anything without an external

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device. Is that true? On the
microphone? You mean? Yeah, like

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could it could it power an RT
320 with 100% Lift 100% And it

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also in I love this with my poor
little ears you can set

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different impedance headphones.
To the headphones. I have the

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headphones right now up to five
on a scale of 10 Typically I'm

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at 11

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Oh wow. On any other device?
Yeah, because I'm deaf. Yeah,

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cuz I don't I can't wear my
hearing aids. That would be fun.

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That would I would really

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be really bad.

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So you so you can

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so that's the things got a
really killer microphone amp.

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Yeah, I mean, the headphone
headphone amp or headphone amp

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also also Mike app and you know,
that's one of their selling

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points is you know, you can't
you wait until you wait until

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you see our

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winter you hear our preamps and
again Yeah, you don't need a

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cloud lifter.

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Ah, see that's I've got that in
my chain right there right.

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Yeah, yes, right here is with
either me ended up pulling the

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trigger on this after a few
months. Dave, you will love this

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device. Awesome. Yeah. And he
really really well, I'm you

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know, I'm still gonna have to
you know, bicycle around and

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twiddle the knobs and you know,
figure out exactly what works

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but already I'm so much happier
now that we found the Compeller

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issue that compelled no no go
I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, it's

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just a I mean, if this is the
perfect show, you know full

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scissors to do this because then
you can take you can listen back

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to this and figure out what
exactly what tweak before you

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just unleash it'll no agenda
because Exactly. That's when you

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get

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you don't sound right.

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Well, what's interesting is you
sign you sound the kind of great

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right out of the box.

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I mean, that's just normal.
Okay, there it is. All right.

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Thanks. Make everybody's device
sound good.

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Everyone's device sounds better
with Dave. Yeah, just slide it

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in. Yeah.

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One other thing one other techno
bullcrap if you want me to just

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pass this along as I got to
Starlink that that came

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yesterday, this box or the day
before yesterday, this box came

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today. This is the internet
satellite satellite internet

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from

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SpaceX.

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Okay, and you have this you sent
me a picture this sitting on top

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of your of your generator.
Exactly.

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So which is perfect combo that's
the beautiful, it's exactly what

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you want to see. Exactly. So
it's really it's like it's

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four pieces. What you get a dish
you get to stand for

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A dish and you have the

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like Wi Fi router in one, and
you put the dish into the stand,

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click, you take the wire, you
run that into your house,

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somehow I just for ease of use,
I put everything into the, with

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the pool equipment is that's
inside and I can just open the

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garage door and close that don't
have to drill a hole yet while

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I'm testing it.

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Then you plug the the antenna
wire multi plug into the into

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the base unit, you plug in the
power cord, you plug the cord

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into the wall,

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it boots up you they have an app
and that app is what you use to

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configure your network name and
your password. And that's it.

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And by the time you've done that
the satellite dish has already

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positioned itself automatically
and it works.

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So I mean, it was that mind
boggling 10 minutes from from

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taking the stuff outside to it
working.

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So you're telling me that like
you just you plug the thing in

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and it begins to move and zeroes
in on the satellite. Yep, the

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minute it has power powers. How
does it know? How does it do

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that? Oh, it's magic, I don't
know. Well, so this dish, it's a

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rectangular dish. You have to
look at it online rectangular

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dish, and but it's concaved. And
I presume there's some there

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obviously there's a motor in
there, that mate maybe the GPS

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part is in there. That's all I
mean, that's all got to be. I

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don't know if the transmitters
in the little box itself or in

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the dish, I have no idea.

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But the minute has a signal and
it knows its own position, it

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just seems to zero in on
everything.

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So this, I started to look this
up this thing up on SR to Google

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it. And

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first thing I see is SpaceX
Starlink, risks becoming

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unusable if dish gets 12
gigahertz spectrum

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is what what is what does that
mean? If if dish, at least on

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that Dish Network? Yeah. Okay, I
think I can explain this.

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Now, the Dish Network is going
to use 5g at. But that's, I

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think a 12 to the 12 gigahertz
spectrum. Okay, this is going to

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be in the same or close to the
same spectrum as the SpaceX. So

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you know, if you have signals on
the ground that are blasting

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around at the same frequency,
the dish is going to pick that

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up or it's going to there's
going to be a possibility of

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harmonics or

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it's basically, you have a very
weak signal coming down and

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going up from space. And then
you can have these really strong

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signals 5g on the ground.

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That's the process. That's the

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it's the same problem that the
FAA is claiming they have with

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the

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what is it the

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automatic flight systems in
aircraft, why they can't have 5g

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near the airfield, because that
will interfere because those

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systems also use a form of that
frequency to measure the

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distance to the ground.

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Says the letter goes on to say a
5g cellular network using the 12

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gigahertz band would blow out
and easily interfere with a

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consumer Starlink access. Yeah,
and they said it wasn't like 70%

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or something it would it would
it would ruin 77.5% of the time

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is what is this interference
that causes degraded service

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77.5% of the time not to be
specific or anything but 77.5%

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of the time, bro, just like
podcast as

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the so like an interesting
conversation related somewhat

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related to this as I was

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from my day job. I was meeting
with Verizon rep yesterday, you

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know, and he was telling he was
telling me that they they're

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pretty if I understood him
correctly, they're sort of

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abandoning that whole initial
thought with 5g where they were

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going to put like this dense
mesh of block by block a

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transmitters, Verizon or in
general, I think in general, but

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that was the whole point is to
have all these micro cells. I

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know we haven't been
Fredericksburg. They've got

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micro cell 5g All up and down
Main Street. Well, he he's he

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said this is sort of a recent
thing because Verizon

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specifically bought I think what
he called the C band.

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I don't know exactly what he was
talking about. They bought that

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from the SEC or well, they
license a license that licensed

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it Yeah, licensed it. They
licensed it away. This is the C

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band isn't that the old like the
huge dishes? No way am I okay,

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keep talking. I'll look it up.
I'll look it up. I'll see what

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okay. He said he said that they
they bought this I think he said

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the C band and he said that.
This allows them to have 5g

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speed, five gig 5g speeds

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without having to do the block
by block mesh thing. And that

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that is going to be so much
easier because the the CDs that

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they were trying to put these
dense these mesh things in. Were

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like charging them a fortune.
They were like, yeah, so they

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want to have just one bigger,
bigger transmitter to cover a

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certain area. Yeah. And he said
it's almost he said they're

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using their staff. They're just
using now that they have this

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frequency. He said they can get
5g speeds with just their

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standards, antennas they already
have on on towers. He said they

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don't need to do anything else.
They don't need to put any sort

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of micro or millimeter wave or
whatever this is it. No, I know

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they don't have to do it. But
they're missing out on a huge

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market, I think in that case,
because then then they can't do

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with the vehicle tracking and
pedestrian tracking and all that

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stuff. The way he talked about
it is the see the downtown areas

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and the seniors. These
municipalities were charging

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them so much money that it
wasn't it just wasn't fazed

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everybody. Yeah. Everyone
thought it was a bonanza. Yeah,

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and so they were like, trying to
trying to get approvals and pay

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off everybody's this now we're
just gonna call back. So you see

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band is between four and eight
gigahertz. So that's not very

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high. And so so you can actually
go a lot farther with that.

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Yeah, I mean, he acted like it
was the pennant. He was like

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the, you know, the golden egg.
They're like, Oh, yeah, we you

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know, we're good to go. And
we're still going to call it 5g,

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even though we've completely
changed how it changes

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everything. Yeah. Which makes
sense to me like Birmingham,

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Birmingham, they don't have any
of that they don't have any of

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that mesh stuff. None of those
stuff. None of those was it

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really supposed to be mesh, I
didn't think it was supposed to

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be mesh other than a bit more
individual nodes that can do

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certain things and have very
high throughput at close range.

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I'm calling it mesh and that may
be the wrong terminology.

442
00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:01,920
I'm talking about what you're
talking about where you just

443
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,760
have like literally every block
has its own little Yeah, okay.

444
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:10,020
Right. Yeah, just one for the
block. Yeah, and you just which

445
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:13,590
cannot can also be used to heat
up your bacon if you're camping.

446
00:27:14,670 --> 00:27:17,910
Stand here and you're good to
go. You'll never sleep again.

447
00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:25,380
Hey, the show The show is lit
once again. Which means we have

448
00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:29,820
the live item blasting. And
we've got people in the in the

449
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,940
chat room and it's this system
seems to be working pretty well.

450
00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:37,860
I mean, I always follow the
podcasts podcast Live account. I

451
00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:41,430
think it is. Yeah, I love that
thing. It's great. Really fun.

452
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,040
Holy moly.

453
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:49,260
What just happened here? What
what is it? Well, because you

454
00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:52,470
know everything is still new. I
don't have the I don't have the

455
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:57,000
booster gram sound potted up.
And so I just flipped over to

456
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,780
hell. ypad

457
00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:00,600
Hey, Tarr

458
00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:10,290
just me I gotta count the zeros.
Just oops that US 5 million

459
00:28:10,530 --> 00:28:12,390
Satoshis podcast.

460
00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:20,520
Holy crap. Are you serious? Yes,
is it and it's for this show for

461
00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:23,940
for the the live the live show.
Let me read the boosted ramp

462
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:24,840
Sorry to interrupt.

463
00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:26,910
Please.

464
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,470
Pay tar says this is a Bitcoin
Public Service Announcement

465
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:35,610
defending freedom money requires
eternal vigilance. There will

466
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:38,190
always be scammy companies out
there trying to steal your

467
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:40,860
Bitcoin these charlatans are
starting to make their way into

468
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:45,510
podcast and 2.0 ecosystem. Oh,
listen to the advice from Uncle

469
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:48,570
Marty and Uncle Matt. Stay
humble stack SATs hold your own

470
00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:52,410
keys. Don't use leverage. Don't
yield farm. I love you all go

471
00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:53,310
podcast thing.

472
00:28:58,290 --> 00:29:01,470
Can I have a T shirt? Yeah, you
can have a T shirt.

473
00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:07,740
I'll come over there and put it
on your pizza. Holy crap. Whoa,

474
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,550
5 million says what is what even
is that? As far as like

475
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:16,410
conversion goes? It's beyond
what I do on a daily basis. So

476
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:26,640
thank you, Peter. I mean, bro.
Your bra is like how did the

477
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,640
chip My question is how did the
chip was that an app payment?

478
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,520
Because how did that channel
survive? I'm actually looking

479
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:32,670
at.

480
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,330
I'm looking at some. That's
$1,000 Dave holy cow. Thank you,

481
00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:46,200
brother. Oh my goodness. Do you
so let's see. Oh, I'm

482
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,120
dumbfounded by that. This I
think is well, bombshell. We

483
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,230
know that's what I'm looking
for.

484
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:57,180
Hold on. I'm all messed up. Now.
I got I'm on the new rig. You

485
00:29:57,180 --> 00:29:57,840
can't find it.

486
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,420
I see I thought I put big baller
in there. I can't imagine that I

487
00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:06,840
didn't do that. There's a baller
in there in the rig somewhere

488
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:10,200
it's it's the green button hit
it quick Hold on a second. I'll

489
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,660
get your I got your baller right
here into this

490
00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:15,990
podcast

491
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:23,610
shot Carla 20 This blades on I
am Paula Oh man. Amazing

492
00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:26,850
ambitious 5 million sets get you
a t shirt. Yes, yes, yes,

493
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:30,330
definitely. Crap. Alright, what
are we talking about? I

494
00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:33,480
completely I completely lost my
train of thought that was

495
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200
excellent way to derail the show
please. By all means derail this

496
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,370
puppy that oh man that is
fantastically amazed that that

497
00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:45,990
channel survived Um, I'd have to
learn real quick to see to see

498
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:49,740
exactly what's what happened
there. Where did that come from?

499
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:53,010
Did that come out? Let me take a
look. I mean, it came from curio

500
00:30:53,010 --> 00:30:55,860
caster. So that went through LNP
I guess.

501
00:30:57,450 --> 00:31:01,950
Let me see REO caster. Yeah. So
that yeah, that's deaf. That's

502
00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:05,250
that's an LM or maybe it's an
lb, maybe it could be lb Yeah,

503
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:08,130
but we let me see. Let me let me
check the channels here. Which

504
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:10,230
is is kind of my responsibility.

505
00:31:11,610 --> 00:31:14,280
is in the he's in the chat and
my feet are Where did where did

506
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,450
that come from? Did that come
from? From an lb? Cuz if it came

507
00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:21,180
from Ellen pay, I think we have
to get a big chat we get.

508
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,070
We have a 10 million Slack
channel with them. Let me okay.

509
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:32,100
I don't see it yet. Oops. Oh,
now all of a sudden, I'm hearing

510
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:36,360
some sputtering noises. You hear
that? Eric says it came from his

511
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:36,780
heart.

512
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,660
Let me see if it was through
LMP.

513
00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:49,380
Whereas LM, yeah, that went
through LMP. Ellen pay, okay.

514
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,430
Yeah, yeah.

515
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:57,090
Okay. If anyone wants to try and
top this, please don't do more

516
00:31:57,090 --> 00:32:00,930
than 1,000,370 SATs because
that's what we still have left

517
00:32:00,930 --> 00:32:04,140
in the channel. This thing we
got. We got to rebalance this or

518
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:06,990
something. Roi balances. Roi.

519
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:12,900
Nice. Thank you, Peter. That's
That's fantastic. Amazing. Well,

520
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,570
so yes, that's what I was
saying. The show was lit that

521
00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:18,810
and the minute I said that,
boom, that happened crazy.

522
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,850
Oh, well.

523
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,030
Yeah, they kind of they kind of
threw me off there.

524
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,200
So do we want to talk about the

525
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,720
want to pick up with the value
for value? The the ethics? Yeah,

526
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,590
we have a couple of things to
discuss. One of them? Well,

527
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:40,890
first of all, I would maybe we
should we kind of buried the

528
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:44,580
lede here. For me, the news of
the day, congratulations to

529
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:48,810
Oscar and the team at fountain.
What a great article in Bitcoin

530
00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:52,890
magazine. You know, for sure, of
course, they forgot to mention

531
00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:58,800
podcast and 2.0 and us, but it's
okay. That's actually I'm

532
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,090
actually very happy because it
it, it just looks like it's

533
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:07,080
something that's mainstream, you
know? Yeah. I'm always happy

534
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,220
when other people tell our
story. And so this is the

535
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,470
well, it, I guess it it kind of
launched as a get paid for

536
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:19,680
listening to ads, but then it
became or maybe that was the

537
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,310
original intent. And then it
morphed into, well, you know,

538
00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:26,340
you get sad for listening to
certain shows that are promoted

539
00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:30,120
certain shows get a five times
and the gamification just like

540
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,770
brother started to blow my mind
about how cool that is. Yeah,

541
00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:39,960
yeah. He had given us a heads up
on it the other day and then

542
00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:44,730
see, it was good to see the
reception and appreciated pod

543
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:45,690
land yesterday.

544
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,090
Because of the juxtaposition
between Yes, the

545
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,040
what it was like the eighth the
eighth, so that was very hard to

546
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,070
find. Yeah, that was very hard
to follow that conversation. I'm

547
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:01,800
glad Sam understood it because
I'm just like, Why did how does

548
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,580
this entity there? Yeah, it's
funny, but he seemed he seemed

549
00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:08,610
very mean about Bitcoin
unnecessary. Maybe I just

550
00:34:08,610 --> 00:34:12,090
interpreted it that way. Yeah, I
was having a hard time following

551
00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:15,210
that whole thing, too. Because
it seemed it seemed like it was

552
00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:17,700
going to be something open and
it sounded very proprietary.

553
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:20,910
Yeah, I didn't really understand
but then, you know, then Oscar

554
00:34:20,910 --> 00:34:23,610
came with, you know, talking
about fountain and it just,

555
00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:27,420
it's, it's this, it's just open.
I mean, I'll just, everything's

556
00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:31,170
just open. I mean, like, it just
uses lightning. And in plugs

557
00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:34,650
into this. I mean, obviously
stuff within, you know, within

558
00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:37,680
in his system, paying back for
listening and that kind of

559
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,260
thing. That's, you know, his own
deal. It's kind of cool, though,

560
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,540
when you're when you're
listening to a podcast, and then

561
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:45,090
you see this counter at the top,
which is going you know, you

562
00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:48,480
don't I don't exactly know the
speed at it, but it's like click

563
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,330
Satoshi. Satoshi. Satoshi.
There's something very exciting

564
00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:54,960
about doing that. And then I
also listened to one of the ads

565
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,030
and it went click, click, click,
click clicking okay, that's,

566
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,970
there's something cool about
that payback.

567
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,170
Next system and of course for
onboarding people, so they have

568
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:08,070
some SATs so they can get that
value for value joy. Before you

569
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:11,760
end buying your your first
Bitcoin I, you know, I'm

570
00:35:12,929 --> 00:35:15,749
I'm typically not a fan of
buying customers it's you know,

571
00:35:15,749 --> 00:35:19,049
it's like a very subsidizing
it's a very Silicon Valley kind

572
00:35:19,049 --> 00:35:23,399
of way to do it. But in the
context of value for value kind

573
00:35:23,399 --> 00:35:27,269
of works, it felt comfortable.
It felt good. It also felt

574
00:35:27,269 --> 00:35:27,929
exciting.

575
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:37,200
Yeah, I think I think it's nice
to have a way to, to have a sort

576
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:37,590
of

577
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:42,690
false it, but without it being.
Yeah, without being an actual

578
00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:47,370
faucet that someone has. Yeah,
it's a faucet for engaging in a

579
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:50,820
community rather than just a
faucet for just just like a

580
00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:54,060
traditional a come, we'll just
give you some stuff. And you

581
00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:56,820
actually have to do, you got to
sit there and do so you got to

582
00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:58,020
work on a piece of work.

583
00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:03,300
Exactly. Perfect. I mean, it's a
little me it's a little chancy.

584
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,290
But it's, it's kind of true,
though, right? Because you're it

585
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:10,470
you know, it's easy to do 100%
proof of work. I completely

586
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:15,420
agree. That's spot on. Yeah. I
mean, I'm like you, I just

587
00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:19,380
congrats to those guys. And I
really, yeah, exploring all of

588
00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:22,770
this stuff and trying to make it
work. And I think the day when

589
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:23,670
they launched it,

590
00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:28,560
I think there must have been a
lot of SATs flowing. Because,

591
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,340
you know, we got a significant
amount of I mean, not our

592
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:36,990
typical seven or $12 a day, he
was more than that it was an I

593
00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:39,840
don't know if that was a combo,
someone else out there doing

594
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,020
some kind of, you know, crazy
lit stuff or what that was, but

595
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:45,600
it was, I don't know, if there
was something going on there.

596
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,330
Yeah, we get, we get a daily
thing from the node every, every

597
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:55,080
morning that shows you know how
much income for the last day

598
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,990
from SATs and it's dip, you
know, like on a show day or day

599
00:36:57,990 --> 00:37:00,780
after show day, it'll be you
know, it'd be higher book, you

600
00:37:00,780 --> 00:37:04,560
know, have a 50 bucks or
something like that, but then on

601
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:05,940
a tip and

602
00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:09,600
that's also boosts that come in
during the show. It's not just

603
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,890
the 1% No, that's, that's every
but it was like it was like a

604
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:16,650
Tuesday or Wednesday or
something. It's like, oh, okay,

605
00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:19,980
that's different. Yeah, cuz
that's normally like $3, you

606
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:24,000
know? Exactly. Exactly. Bugs.
Oh, wait, somebody launched

607
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,650
something that's kind of cool to
to see that happen, is where,

608
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,720
where you see on a random day
where it's normally, you know,

609
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,470
three to $5 worth of for the
past 24 hours, and all of a

610
00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:41,070
sudden, it's 20. You're like,
whoa, okay, something happened.

611
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,980
I don't know what that was. But
it's neat. It's neat, sort of

612
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:47,550
see those tremors in the in the
lightning ecosystem. It's pretty

613
00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:51,360
cool. There's, there's so much
data to go through and to figure

614
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,510
out where stuff is happening
where it's coming from. Yeah.

615
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,850
In I don't know about.

616
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,570
I don't I don't know how this
maybe relates. But

617
00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:07,020
I know that there was a lot of
talk this week on the index

618
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:13,380
about the fees? And how Yes, you
know, fee, should you should you

619
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:16,740
put the fee on top? Let me get
us started. Get out of the I

620
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:20,280
know the genesis of the
conversation, because I because

621
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,970
I found myself, you know,
entrenched in it and also

622
00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:26,490
bothered in a way by some of the
things I was thinking or

623
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:31,320
hearing. And there was a
conflict, we conflated something

624
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:35,220
on the previous episode, at the
end, we're talking about no

625
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:38,670
agenda tube, and how no agenda
tube can get paid.

626
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:43,020
or have some kind of split
somehow for the bandwidth and

627
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,140
the storage of the usage. And

628
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:49,950
and I think as part of that we
were talking about,

629
00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:55,410
you know, no agenda tube also
creates a feed for everybody.

630
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:58,260
And in that feed, there'll be an
automatic split, which will be

631
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,990
or a fee, that's kind of
irrelevant for the moment, it'll

632
00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:06,060
be 20%. And, and, you know, so
we were kind of bantering about

633
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,430
how would that work? And if
someone you know, and we also

634
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:11,160
got outside of the value for
value concept, and we're I think

635
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,430
we're a little too wrapped up in
it. Oh, yeah. You know, people

636
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:18,480
just stream SATs, you know,
there's still a programming

637
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,300
element that has to come along
with it. And and when I say

638
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,450
programming, I mean from a
podcast or someone, you know,

639
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,420
asking, you need to ask, it's
not all just automatic.

640
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:32,250
But what happened then, is,
there was a conversation on the

641
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:36,330
social, and Stephen B was
talking about taking 20%

642
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:42,360
For curio caster, to which I
said, Well, if there's any app

643
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,490
out there that's going to insert
and take 20%. You know, I don't

644
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:48,630
have control over that.

645
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:52,680
An app could take 50%

646
00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:55,800
Now, I wouldn't be happy with
that.

647
00:39:57,060 --> 00:40:00,000
So that's kind of where it came
in to me is like well

648
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,250
Oh, how does that work? I mean,
then, I mean, the feed is the

649
00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:06,210
source of truth.

650
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,490
But it's not really true because
there's still an open element,

651
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,440
and anybody could usurp that or
do whatever they want. And it

652
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:18,840
doesn't have to be evil. It's
it. You know, it's just all I

653
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,400
mean, if he feels that curio
casters worth 20%, but that 20%

654
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,840
is 20% I'm not getting and, you
know, I personally feel that's

655
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,820
too much. So that, to me, is the
crux of it. Not so much as who

656
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:35,550
pays for it is about who pays
for it.

657
00:40:37,230 --> 00:40:41,850
Because, you know, there's a
user who's using the app. And

658
00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:46,890
they're presumably using it for
free. And there's the money that

659
00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:51,180
the user wants to send. And the
user needs to be aware of that.

660
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:53,760
It's not just for the podcaster.
But it's also for the

661
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,150
infrastructure, including the
app you're using. So are we

662
00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:00,810
talking about a best practice?
Are we talking about, you know,

663
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,780
something that can be regulated
something that the podcast or

664
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:07,440
control, something the user can
control? We're missing an

665
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,350
essential piece, even though I
love everybody and trust

666
00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:11,850
everybody. I mean,

667
00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:19,710
I look at breeze and I say, 5%,
it's high, but they're really

668
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,890
giving you a full lightning
node. And there's a whole bunch

669
00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:25,500
of other things you can do with
that, which is clearly related

670
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:30,990
to money. And I'm okay with it.
If it was 20%, I wouldn't be

671
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:31,710
okay with it.

672
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:33,120
But

673
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:38,160
here's, here's the way it feels
to me. So if the percentage of

674
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,180
what it is,

675
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:47,790
is whatever, the podcast app
creator thinks that they need.

676
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:53,040
We're waiting. What do you mean,
the percentage have? You got to

677
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,520
expand on that? Of who? Yeah,
so. So if you have a, if you

678
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:02,340
have a, let's just say, you have
podcast, podcast addict, okay.

679
00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:07,290
And I noticed this better. Let's
say it's a pod friend, you know,

680
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:14,040
Mark Martin has, is not making
money on pot for him. So he

681
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,730
looks around one of these days.
And he says, okay, in order to

682
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:20,970
monetize this and make it a
sustainable business, I see that

683
00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:24,810
we're getting this many
donations, through boost and

684
00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:30,960
booster grams. And I want in, I
could make this a monetize, I

685
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,220
could make this a career,
sustainable organ organization,

686
00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:40,200
if I took 40% of all boost and
boosted drives, right.

687
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:41,730
Then,

688
00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:46,800
if that's if that's what he
needs in order to make a go of

689
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,010
it,

690
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:53,310
I'm fine. I'm fine with that, is
because for a couple of reasons

691
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,750
he's making he's making the
decision if that means that he

692
00:42:57,750 --> 00:43:03,930
has a more compelling app, the
people, Mike, that people love

693
00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:11,430
and migrate to. And he's doing
that for 40%. Well, then, we'll

694
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:16,920
the ecosystem ends up with an
awesome app. And if people

695
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,390
understand that he's taking that
much on both the Creator side

696
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:25,080
and the listener side, women,
how did you do it on both sides?

697
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:28,830
No, I mean, I mean, if people on
the Creator side if the creators

698
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:29,370
understand that.

699
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:33,870
Yeah. And the listeners
understand he's taking 40%.

700
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,070
They are also going to make
decisions based on that as well.

701
00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:44,400
And he may he he may lose
listeners. I agree. Okay, so now

702
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,560
we're into the next part. The
next part ID is at 40%. fee. So

703
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,760
that means 40% is gone, and then
the 60% gets split up, or is it

704
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:00,900
40% of the 100%? It? So this is
a good the way it's a critical

705
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:03,810
difference, I think, Oh, I do
too. And that was the credit.

706
00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,240
That was the criticism of
understood it from hard hat was

707
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,050
he was talking about fountain.
Yeah. And he he, I don't know

708
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:16,290
this. I'm going to accept that
this is the case. Maybe you can

709
00:44:16,290 --> 00:44:19,410
confirm this, that fountain. He
was saying that fountain takes

710
00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:24,810
their fees on top of the 100%. I
don't know. And I don't know,

711
00:44:24,810 --> 00:44:25,200
either. So

712
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,550
that's part of the problem is
that has to be really clear.

713
00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:35,460
Right? So if we can do it's
totally doable. Well, and I

714
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:38,580
don't think Oscar is trying to
hide it. I mean, I don't think

715
00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:40,290
he's being dishonest at all. No,
not at all.

716
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:46,290
So the way that it was
envisioned in the spec, is that

717
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:48,570
fees were always taken out of
the 100%.

718
00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:53,640
So what would happen is, and I'm
going to describe the

719
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,700
calculation this is all
happening, you know, in state

720
00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:59,970
and fast. But what is that mean?

721
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,270
When a payment is, is
constructed it the splits. So

722
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:11,460
the listener says, Okay, I want
to send 100 SATs per minute.

723
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,550
Let's just do that for round
numbers. I want to do 100 SATs

724
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:20,910
per minute. There's a, there's
two splits to actual splits non

725
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:25,440
fee splits in there. Okay. One
for you at 50%. One for me at

726
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,940
50%. Yeah. And I'm then then
it's immediately going to get

727
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,640
that adds, you know, you take
that and say, okay, 5050, then

728
00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:40,110
you, then there's a third, let's
say there's a third fee split in

729
00:45:40,110 --> 00:45:44,190
there for 10%. Well, then, what
it's going to do is it's going

730
00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:47,520
to take, the software would take
100 SATs,

731
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,060
subtract 10% of 100. From that,
so it would take 10 SATs off the

732
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:54,630
top.

733
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:58,980
But, but what's happening is
that now the podcaster is

734
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:00,420
subsidizing the listener.

735
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,750
Which is okay. But it's how is
the podcaster subsidizing the

736
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:10,590
listener, because the listener
is paying in the envelope, and

737
00:46:10,590 --> 00:46:12,570
the listener is paying for
everything.

738
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:16,500
Whether they like the app or
not, they're there. They're

739
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,710
paying for the app. And they,
you know, you'd have to go look

740
00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:23,820
at the split to see what is
being taken. So if it's a if

741
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:25,260
it's 100, Satoshis.

742
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:29,070
Intended for the podcaster.

743
00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:34,680
Let me see if I can say this
differently.

744
00:46:37,110 --> 00:46:37,830
You,

745
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:44,100
the app is good. The apps are
built both for the users

746
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:48,810
typically. But they of course,
you it's like chicken in the

747
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:52,890
egg. Does the app exist without
the content? Does the content

748
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:57,480
flow without the app? So who is
paying for the usage of the app?

749
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,790
Who is using the app? In this
case, the podcaster is

750
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:08,820
subsidizing it or is is giving
part of their? I don't know, I

751
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:11,640
don't know the answer. There's a
there's a payment to the

752
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,120
production and to the Creator.
And there's a payment for the

753
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,530
index, and there's a payment for
the app. And I think in your

754
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:24,450
scenario of okay, this app
charges too much. That's great

755
00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:26,460
for a listener to decide.

756
00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:30,930
But do they really care if if
they're just giving 100 SATs?

757
00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:34,470
And that's it that you know,
okay, so this app takes 40%? I

758
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:38,580
don't care, maybe they do. But
if it's if it's really value for

759
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:41,940
value, then that almost should
be a separate thing outside of

760
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:46,200
the outside of the split? You
know, I'm saying? I think I

761
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,870
think what we're doing here is
rehashing things that we've

762
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:52,770
already that we already sort of
talked about a while back, or or

763
00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:55,740
that were there at the
beginning. And we've maybe

764
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:58,170
forgotten that they were there
and that we already sort of

765
00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:01,440
figured it out. Because what
what happened at the beginning,

766
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,130
as we said,

767
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:04,950
you know, there's a separate

768
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:09,420
there's, there's gonna be a fee,
the apps gonna take a fee, they

769
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:13,170
can they can decide what that
fee is. The critical part is

770
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,020
they have to, they just have to
be transparent about it.

771
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:20,130
Everybody has to know, to say,
Okay, everybody knows, but

772
00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:23,370
everybody knows where he is. But
here's the thing. If if I know

773
00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:26,220
that curio caster is taking 40%

774
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:31,620
I'm glad by the way he's not
taking just to be clear, he's

775
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:33,900
not taking he's only taken 3%.
But

776
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:37,440
for people listening, I don't
want the Oh no, no, no one's

777
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,340
doing this is taken. But yeah,
okay. But curio caster, Steven B

778
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:46,860
specifically mentioned 20%. So I
find that it's talking about in

779
00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:51,060
a to taking 20%. No, in the
conversation in the thread,

780
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:54,180
that's where it started. But in
the thread, it came down to

781
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:58,200
well, why would I charge 20%? As
a hypothetical?

782
00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:02,580
I don't know how, okay, as a
hypothetical, it doesn't matter

783
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:05,850
if it's hypothetical. If that
happened, I would probably tell

784
00:49:05,850 --> 00:49:10,200
people try a different app. Use
a different app. This guy's

785
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,330
taken money from me, I think
it's too much you really think

786
00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:15,210
it's worth it used that app?
It's strife that I don't want to

787
00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:20,490
have? I don't want to have that.
But I don't think you can see

788
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,340
it. No, I know you can't control
it. But we might as well talk

789
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:26,730
since something that happened
there bothered me and other

790
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:29,460
people were also and there's
still different opinions.

791
00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:35,400
I mean, it's okay, so how about
this, okay, just for the same

792
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,140
reason, we insert 5%. Now,
because I think what we're doing

793
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:41,460
is just that valuable.

794
00:49:43,230 --> 00:49:45,930
And when you know, what will
everybody agree with that?

795
00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:49,200
There's going to be apps out
there if we and this is what I

796
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,870
said, this is the mark, the
marketplace will correct that.

797
00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:57,480
Because if we if we did that, I
guarantee you that some apps

798
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,000
would stop sending that because
it's completely volun

799
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,090
theory, like the, the way that
if what I meant by start to say

800
00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:09,870
you can't control that what I
meant is, that's not exactly

801
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:13,290
accurate, you actually can
control it somewhat by the power

802
00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:17,130
of the microphone. You can tell
your your leg. That's exactly

803
00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:19,140
what, that's exactly what I'm
saying. Yeah.

804
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,550
But I'd like Yeah, but But what
what I was trying to get at

805
00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:26,490
those like, I'm agreeing with
you that you can you can exert a

806
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:30,060
measure of control over that
influence. But what I was

807
00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:35,220
intended to say was that you,
you can't stop them from doing

808
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:40,470
it. No, of course, they what
what will stop people from

809
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,950
charging exorbitant fees is

810
00:50:45,150 --> 00:50:48,750
they know, they know that
everybody knows about it, and

811
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:53,160
everybody takes a dim view of
it. And some, for some people

812
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:57,150
like it, I don't see it any
different is the way it works

813
00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:02,430
today. Like for me, some apps
that charge subscriptions aren't

814
00:51:02,430 --> 00:51:07,200
worth it. And I just don't use
the app. But some, some apps

815
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,010
that charge monthly
subscriptions, I get enough out

816
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:14,490
of it to where I'm like, okay,
you know, and I'll pay it and

817
00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:16,920
understand what you're saying
that that comes out of your

818
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,260
bottom line. But then what? What
if your audience knows that

819
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,350
that's your responsibility to
let the audience or our

820
00:51:25,350 --> 00:51:28,770
responsibility, let the audience
know that and say, you know,

821
00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:32,610
hey, by the way, if you're using
such and such app, just

822
00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:34,740
remember, they take you know,
they take a higher percentage.

823
00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:37,380
So if you're pinging against
send us money, just like you do

824
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:40,950
with PayPal, or Patreon or
anything like that, you say, you

825
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:45,420
know, hey, you know, subscribe
to us, send us a send us some

826
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:49,110
money on paypal. Remember, if
there's a credit card, you know,

827
00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:52,380
remember the credit card fees is
to comes out of our neck comes

828
00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:55,800
out of our pocket. Thank you.
And there's there's exactly one

829
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,610
of the problems.

830
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,550
It's a marketing issue.

831
00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:04,080
This is what hardhats problem
was, he was like, Hey, I thought

832
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,630
it was sending this to the
podcaster. That's bullshit. That

833
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:08,280
is that you're taking part of
that.

834
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,510
That's obviously not how it's
set up. And you're just gonna

835
00:52:12,510 --> 00:52:13,380
have to live with that.

836
00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:17,940
I just

837
00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:24,210
historic? I don't know, I do. We
should just do whatever. I have

838
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:26,850
no idea how to how to solve
this. It comes down. You're

839
00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:34,500
right. Yes. I'd like the apps to
be transparent about it. And

840
00:52:35,310 --> 00:52:38,190
I'm, you know, it's very small
letters everywhere.

841
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:43,320
And I don't know the fees of
every single app. I just I don't

842
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,570
know. And to be honest, you
know, credit card fees, although

843
00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:51,990
there's no credit card involved,
you know, it's 3%. You know, we

844
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:56,970
could be looking at 789 10%,
that could turn some people off,

845
00:52:56,970 --> 00:52:59,130
if you tell them how much you're
taking, you know, I'm saying

846
00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:02,790
it's like, this is a
transitionary period. And we've

847
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:05,970
never had dealt with this kind
of flow in the value for value

848
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:06,630
chain.

849
00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:11,910
So if anything, we need a lot of
education from the app

850
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:15,030
developer, so people understand
exactly how it works. And more

851
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:18,090
importantly, why. Because that
was the exception I took to

852
00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:21,600
heart hat is like he basically
wants to use that app for free.

853
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:25,200
He says, I don't care that I'm
using that app. And I'm

854
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,270
paraphrasing, that may not be
all he feels at all. That's how

855
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:34,530
it came across. So yeah, if so,
I don't want to use Patreon. For

856
00:53:34,530 --> 00:53:38,490
anything I do. Because I know
that and I'm not saying they're

857
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:41,190
bad guys, it's just that they
charge high fees. Yes. And I

858
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:44,040
really just don't, I don't want
to deal with I don't want to

859
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,780
donate, I don't want to donate
$10 to a podcast and know that,

860
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:53,250
ya know, to $2 goes to Patreon
or wherever to Patreon. Yeah, I

861
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:56,910
don't want that. And so I choose
not to use it. And it's the same

862
00:53:56,910 --> 00:54:00,810
way with a podcast app. If I if
I as the listener know that a

863
00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:04,350
particular podcast app charges a
rate that I'm uncomfortable

864
00:54:04,350 --> 00:54:08,070
with, I'll just stop using it
and and find a different app.

865
00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:12,210
But you know, Oscar had a great
a great point he's with with

866
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:15,840
with with high fat, he was like,
you know, you the fees go away.

867
00:54:15,870 --> 00:54:18,600
We don't charge fees, if you
sign up for for the premium for

868
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,230
their monthly thing. And to me,
that's fine too, as like, you

869
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:23,970
know, that makes sense. Well,
you

870
00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:29,310
make money somehow and in we're
giving you these two options so

871
00:54:29,310 --> 00:54:33,210
that we're giving you an option
so that you can you're in order

872
00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:36,210
to be a success. And that goes
this goes back to the very

873
00:54:36,210 --> 00:54:41,580
beginning of what we have what
we intended to do is everybody

874
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:46,710
makes money. This time the app
has to make money. Tote app has

875
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:49,320
to be sustainable, of course, I
mean, this was the original

876
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,210
concept. It just when I read
stuff about 20% I just like shit

877
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:56,850
now we're gonna have to go and
argue about that on shows and

878
00:54:56,850 --> 00:54:59,970
stuff like that and I just don't
want it you know, and do it

879
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,010
Find 5% acceptable maybe?

880
00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:04,530
Now,

881
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,380
remember, we're getting 1%.

882
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:11,940
Right? And we're in, you're
doing a fuckload of work.

883
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:17,820
Yeah. But that, you know if and
No, no, no, no, no. And there's

884
00:55:17,850 --> 00:55:20,790
no there's one other thing,
people are looking at absolute

885
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:21,810
numbers right now

886
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,790
that all the money is shit, no
one's making any actual gobs of

887
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:29,430
money here, particularly now
that you know that we see the

888
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,790
prices down, because it's not
like the Well, in our case, we

889
00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:36,780
happen to have one person who
understood the the new exchange

890
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:38,880
rate, thank you very much, hey,
dar.

891
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,880
But, you know, so I just don't
want people raising their their

892
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,320
rates, because if they, you
know,

893
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:51,090
the same rate as if bitcoin goes
down, then the rates go up, you

894
00:55:51,090 --> 00:55:53,400
know, it just felt like rate
inflation was creeping in,

895
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,190
because people want to make
money, they're not making money

896
00:55:56,190 --> 00:56:01,620
yet, but I've seen our 1% as the
long game, and it may be 10

897
00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:04,950
years, that will be actually
kind of my timeline. And then

898
00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:08,220
then there will be enough,
there'll be enough mass. So I

899
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:12,210
don't want to scare people away
with high fees. I guess that's

900
00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:15,870
what I'm saying. And, you know,
it just feels like 5%, I think

901
00:56:15,870 --> 00:56:18,570
is a lot of money. And a lot.
It's a high percentage

902
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:24,300
per user. But I'm not
complaining. But I'm just

903
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,450
saying, I find it a lot. If you
want to compare all the work and

904
00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:30,360
what everybody feels, I may feel
a little differently about the

905
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,170
index fee.

906
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,970
It's funny how much I disagree
with you on this, like,

907
00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:42,720
maybe not, it's not really about
the the framing of it, but just

908
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,100
about sort of how it just
doesn't bother me at all. As a

909
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:48,300
matter of fact, I want

910
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,670
people are want apps to start
charging, start experimenting

911
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:58,800
with charging wacky fees, to see
a bit of a fee, but the wacky

912
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,130
fee is being what's the see what
happens is as a creator, I'm

913
00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:05,670
like, Oh, that was a fun
experiment. I just got 5% or

914
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:09,060
10%. Less. So that was fun.
Don't you have to understand

915
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:13,740
from my side as a creators like,
well, what are we doing? Now say

916
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:17,340
I'm a creator to now. And so and
it comes out of our out of my

917
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:22,650
pocket, too. And I'm not, I'm
not, to me, now is the time to

918
00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:28,230
do it. Now's the time when, when
a lot of podcasters are going to

919
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:33,060
may be going to this as as a
expansion of their monetization,

920
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:38,370
or they're sampling it in order
to figure out if this is viable.

921
00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:44,160
That the this is the time for
there to be all sorts of Wildcat

922
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,210
craziness so that we can figure
out because here's, here's,

923
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,770
here's, I think I think I just
realized what my what my

924
00:57:52,770 --> 00:57:56,880
thinking is. Because we've we've
been under the impression the

925
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:04,770
entire time that okay, 5%, or
3%, or 1% is enough to sustain

926
00:58:04,770 --> 00:58:09,240
an app. But what if it's not?
Well, at scale that this is this

927
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,870
is part of what I'm saying is I
think people are looking at, I'm

928
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:15,330
not making any money on this.
And you're certainly not making

929
00:58:15,330 --> 00:58:20,220
a lot of money since Bitcoin
went down by you know, 60 60%.

930
00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:24,330
So that's much less. So I don't
want to see these fees to get

931
00:58:24,330 --> 00:58:27,420
out of control. Because people
want absolute numbers, we only

932
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:31,680
have seven or seven and a half
1000 podcast that are using this

933
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,160
at all, we need 70,000 And then
all of a sudden, it's going to

934
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,570
be a lot more attractive. All
I'm saying here is in the let's

935
00:58:39,570 --> 00:58:43,740
do it. Now I agree. And And
right now, what I'm doing is I

936
00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:48,360
do not have a market forces tool
in this equation. The app has

937
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,850
the tool, they can determine
what they want to charge, I

938
00:58:50,850 --> 00:58:54,240
can't determine what the person
is going to charge to. And I'm

939
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,940
saying I have no way to fight
back other than when my

940
00:58:56,940 --> 00:59:00,240
microphone, which is an
inherently negative approach, I

941
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,390
don't want to have to be telling
people don't use that because I

942
00:59:03,390 --> 00:59:07,680
disagree with the fee. I'd like
to try and find a way to

943
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,960
circumvent that, or to

944
00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:13,350
kind of do something else.

945
00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:19,680
I'd rather signal to an app,
like I'm willing to give you 5%

946
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,790
versus you take whatever you
want. And I'll just have to see

947
00:59:23,790 --> 00:59:26,580
when it happens. I don't feel
like I'm a participant in a

948
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:27,120
market.

949
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:32,940
I understand. I understand
exactly what the what you're

950
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:37,170
describing you. What you're
describing is, is you know, when

951
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:40,200
you say it, I don't want to get
involved in the negativity to

952
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,050
try to fix up. Well, that's the
only way that's the only way I

953
00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:46,020
can participate in the in the
pricing market of what I'm going

954
00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:48,930
to ultimately receive or the
splits that I've determined

955
00:59:48,930 --> 00:59:52,470
which I love. I love that I can
determine what goes where. But I

956
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:56,850
don't I don't. Right but I don't
know that it necessarily has to

957
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:59,970
be negative because what you
what you say like

958
01:00:01,050 --> 01:00:07,380
Imagine a future scenario where
there's seven, seven podcast

959
01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:10,680
apps that are sort of in the
ecosystem doing value for value.

960
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:15,750
And you as the podcaster are
getting SATs from a sprinkling

961
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:19,230
of each one of them all the
time. And you noticed that one

962
01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:24,210
of them, you become aware that
one of them has up is up their

963
01:00:24,210 --> 01:00:28,110
fees. Also 25% The becoming
aware part we still have to work

964
01:00:28,110 --> 01:00:31,860
on but yeah, okay. For
argument's sake, yes. Yeah.

965
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,420
Well, so I mean, it'll become
obvious from looking at what

966
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:40,680
comes through, you know. And so
if you, if you find that out,

967
01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:43,920
and you say on your show, you
know, hey, if you're using this

968
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:49,350
app, they take 25%. Just please
keep that in mind when you boost

969
01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:52,590
that. That doesn't, that doesn't
even have to be necessarily

970
01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:55,890
negative. That's just to say,
That's reminding you That's

971
01:00:55,890 --> 01:01:00,000
telling your audience, hey, this
app is charging this much. And

972
01:01:00,150 --> 01:01:03,060
the thing is, this is what I was
trying to say while ago, maybe

973
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:07,170
they need to charge that much.
Maybe the app in order in order

974
01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:10,080
to let me finish the other real
quick. Maybe the app needs to

975
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:16,740
charge that much. And if they
do, and nobody else does, then

976
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,400
they won't survive. And the
problem corrects itself. Because

977
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,460
they've overspent and their
overhead is wrong, and they

978
01:01:23,460 --> 01:01:27,120
can't get their business. They
can't get their their

979
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,470
monetization strategy. Correct.
Okay. So the problem here is,

980
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,310
they're not charging, they're
not changing the amount of the

981
01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:39,630
actual user, the pod, the
creator is paying for the user.

982
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,330
For the users fee, really.

983
01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:47,040
You understand? It's like, I'm
not paying for your premium

984
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,940
subscription to fountain, you
pay that, and then all then all

985
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:54,330
of a sudden, all fees go away.
So if you don't pay for it, I'm

986
01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:55,110
paying for it.

987
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,050
Right? So. But I'm not, but I'm
not using the app. I'm okay, how

988
01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:03,690
about this? I do have a market
force,

989
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:05,790
the block tag.

990
01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:09,750
But you do use the app.

991
01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:14,010
You use the app as a credit.
That's the that's the radio.

992
01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:17,850
That's the receipt of the radio
receiver. You Yes. Oh, dirt

993
01:02:17,850 --> 01:02:20,700
without the receive? No, but I
don't have to pay for radios.

994
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:25,320
I've never had to buy everyone a
radio. But don't but don't you

995
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,210
though, I mean, everybody has to
eventually. The the date always.

996
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:34,140
This is a fan, I understand
exactly where you're coming

997
01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:37,770
from. I want apps to make money.
We designed this in this manner.

998
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:39,630
But

999
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:47,190
now we're at a point where the
experimentation is is always at

1000
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:52,740
the creators cost. Not an
additional cost to the user who

1001
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:55,650
is yes, my content is out there.

1002
01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:01,650
And I need apps for people to
use it. But I feel like the user

1003
01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:05,310
should be paying for the
experimentation as well, if it's

1004
01:03:05,310 --> 01:03:08,670
going to be 20%. I didn't do
anything different.

1005
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:13,680
So I just got less value for
doing the same thing. I mean,

1006
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:16,110
it's it may be a semantic
argument.

1007
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:22,440
It just it just doesn't feel
right. That, you know, I mean,

1008
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,740
but the the value. Value.

1009
01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:29,910
No. Okay, let me let me let me
try it again.

1010
01:03:31,950 --> 01:03:35,370
The user at this point, the way
it's been done, the way we've

1011
01:03:35,370 --> 01:03:38,880
set it up, does not realize
they're supporting the app.

1012
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,990
I don't think most of them
realize that.

1013
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,210
So it would be nice. If

1014
01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:52,950
somehow that became apparent
when the when so that the user

1015
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:56,100
can always be deciding if they
if that's a good,

1016
01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:59,700
if that's a good value for them.

1017
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:05,280
Now you get into a situation
where they and Harv had been

1018
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,060
around he's been he's been using
apps for a while he's been been

1019
01:04:09,060 --> 01:04:13,350
boosting and streaming sites, to
him the real. And I'm on his

1020
01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:16,590
side in this part of the
argument. He says, Well hold on

1021
01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:19,890
a second, I'm, I want this to go
to the podcaster. Now you're

1022
01:04:19,890 --> 01:04:24,870
taking a part of it, he clearly
wasn't aware of how its

1023
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:26,940
functioning. And

1024
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:32,100
I just think there's there must
be a better way so that the user

1025
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:37,530
understands and that the user,
you know, helps. I want users to

1026
01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:40,800
also be contributing towards the
app and not just the Creator

1027
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,880
always being the one who
contributes their portion. Does

1028
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,930
that make any sense?

1029
01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:48,330
Yeah, yeah.

1030
01:04:49,650 --> 01:04:52,650
I think it makes it yes, it
makes sense.

1031
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,520
Um, my argument is just that I
don't think you can. You can't

1032
01:04:59,880 --> 01:04:59,970
do

1033
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,530
I think the amount of

1034
01:05:03,810 --> 01:05:06,090
control that you're thinking of

1035
01:05:09,570 --> 01:05:12,210
it's not controlled, it's not
controlled. But why wouldn't why

1036
01:05:12,210 --> 01:05:15,660
wouldn't you? Why wouldn't the
user pay the extra when they're

1037
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:19,200
experimenting with new features?
Okay, that thank you for stating

1038
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,850
it that way. That helps, that
helps me, because this goes back

1039
01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:26,130
to what I say. And while the
user does pay

1040
01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:34,200
your, your, excuse me, you, you
do pay, you, as the creator,

1041
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,330
always pay something. And you
say, Well, you know, the user, I

1042
01:05:39,330 --> 01:05:41,460
don't, I don't pay for the
radios, I don't pay for the

1043
01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:42,210
receivers.

1044
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,580
Well, you didn't pay for it
directly. But that $1,000

1045
01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:51,510
iPhone, that the that your
listener bought, that's now

1046
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:55,380
$1,000 less than they out of
their budget that they could

1047
01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:59,430
possibly send to you. So they
just, you know, the the money

1048
01:05:59,430 --> 01:06:02,460
that your listeners are
spending, to get into the

1049
01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:06,150
ecosystem and to participate in
the ecosystem does always,

1050
01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:10,200
ultimately come out of your
pocket as well. And so that's

1051
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,000
really the thing with the apps
is that they, Oh, they've almost

1052
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,480
been completely cut out of all
of that. So Apple, you know,

1053
01:06:18,510 --> 01:06:22,560
Apple got their $1,000 for the
iPhone. And then you have no

1054
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,120
argument, no argument. It was I
think I came to you with the

1055
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,710
whole planet being the apps
getting paid. My only issue is,

1056
01:06:32,010 --> 01:06:35,760
when there's experimentation in
the pricing, the user will not

1057
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,600
know about that, oh, I just I
decided on Thursdays, I'm

1058
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,110
charging 50% of everything,
because I can't make it work.

1059
01:06:43,110 --> 01:06:46,350
Otherwise, this is not something
you're going to advertise. I

1060
01:06:46,350 --> 01:06:49,200
don't think like, Hey, by the
way, today's a special we're

1061
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:55,260
taking 50%. Now, so the only way
for that to happen is if someone

1062
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:59,460
sees there's an additional fee
that goes for the usage of this

1063
01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:00,060
app.

1064
01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:07,290
I think I think the user should
if the app is doing crazy shit,

1065
01:07:07,830 --> 01:07:11,520
and feels it should should be
more, you know,

1066
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:14,310
it may go back to your

1067
01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:18,750
to the subscription, you know,
people who support the apps by

1068
01:07:18,750 --> 01:07:19,770
getting the premium.

1069
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:26,280
That's an additional that does
not come out of the Creator. And

1070
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,340
look, I have no problem sharing
is just we have that's what I'm

1071
01:07:29,340 --> 01:07:32,520
saying it does come out of the
creators pocket every every

1072
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:37,320
amount that has to pay to set to
something Oh, that no, that's

1073
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,500
fungible? Of course not. Because
they might eat a 10 French fries

1074
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:43,590
less and then they can they have
the same amount. I mean, that's,

1075
01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,060
I don't I don't think that's
cool. But that's but is it is

1076
01:07:48,060 --> 01:07:50,820
directly related, though. I
mean, when it comes to a podcast

1077
01:07:50,820 --> 01:07:55,710
at every every $10 subscription
to overcast is $10 that you got

1078
01:07:55,710 --> 01:07:59,640
that you may not see. No, I
disagree. That's not true.

1079
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,210
That's just that's okay. I mean,
the the person has a budget and

1080
01:08:03,210 --> 01:08:06,840
they and once they spend $10 and
overcast, that means they spend

1081
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,040
$10, less on ice cream. No, I
said May May. I mean?

1082
01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:15,450
You said every I'm like no,
that's that's just not true. You

1083
01:08:15,450 --> 01:08:19,890
don't know any everybody's
budget. All I'm saying is, I

1084
01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:22,470
feel we're going to come to a
point where there's going to be

1085
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:25,620
an issue about the fees, and the
listeners are going to complain

1086
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:27,840
first, and then the creators are
going to go well, why are you

1087
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,350
taking this and I'm trying to
circumvent that, and figure out

1088
01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:36,180
how we can make it work. So
that, you know, I don't care if

1089
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:40,500
someone wants to charge 20%. But
if it's always coming out of my

1090
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:44,160
end, I'd have my split of what
someone wants to send to me,

1091
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:45,120
because it's

1092
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,280
6969. You know, these are the
numbers that I'm telling people

1093
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,450
to send. But I should really be
saying since 6969, plus an extra

1094
01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:58,740
20%, because that app is
expensive to use. I just feel

1095
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:02,940
somewhere the user, the user who
had has the Satoshis is going to

1096
01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:07,590
send them they also need to be
determining whether that is

1097
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:11,400
worth it to use that app and
right now they don't they don't

1098
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:11,850
know.

1099
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,680
To me, to me, this is OS. This
is self correcting. Correcting

1100
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,620
right now this is my point. It's
like Do you want me to seriously

1101
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:25,530
start correcting now and say I
don't want people to use this

1102
01:09:25,530 --> 01:09:28,830
app. I don't like that I don't
want I want I want every app to

1103
01:09:28,830 --> 01:09:33,390
be used. Now, let me let me
finish though what I don't mean

1104
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:36,420
through I don't mean self
correcting through the process

1105
01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:40,560
of negativity on a podcast What
I mean is the self correcting

1106
01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:45,930
through the entire ecosystem. So
look, look at where we are now.

1107
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,740
years down the road with with
pod with the podcasting the

1108
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:54,570
broader ecosystem. You have
company of industry watchers,

1109
01:09:54,570 --> 01:09:59,970
like Cridland, who write
articles calling out

1110
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,530
huge companies like, like a cast
for sending spam emails in for

1111
01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:08,610
are and it has resulted in
exactly nothing, they're still

1112
01:10:08,610 --> 01:10:11,670
doing it and they're just
thumbing their nose at everybody

1113
01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:15,480
because they're big enough to do
it, it's an eye and honestly, I

1114
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:19,380
find it very sad to hear that.
It's fucking sad. I don't want

1115
01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:23,730
that to happen with podcasting
2.0 That's a great example. When

1116
01:10:23,730 --> 01:10:26,040
I hear that, and I hear
Kerguelen has to bitch about

1117
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,350
that every single time and
everyone's pissed off about it,

1118
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:32,610
and it seeps into the content
like that. I find it sad.

1119
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,610
Okay, bad, bad example.

1120
01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:40,740
Example, because that's, that's
the thing like arguing with my

1121
01:10:40,740 --> 01:10:42,300
work wife, this is fun.

1122
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:48,000
That example, because that's a,
that's a saying that listeners

1123
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,350
have zero control over.

1124
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:56,790
A better example would be if, if
a an app started doing something

1125
01:10:56,790 --> 01:11:01,380
shady with monetization, you can
bet that the industry watchers

1126
01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:04,170
would call them out. And then
people would absolutely make

1127
01:11:04,170 --> 01:11:08,940
decisions based on being on
being scammed or, or the

1128
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:13,500
perception of being scammed. So
like right now, the ecosystem

1129
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:17,340
with lightning is very small.
But if it if it if it continues

1130
01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:25,620
to grow, and apps begin to do
things that are odd, or funky,

1131
01:11:25,620 --> 01:11:31,050
or fun, a funny money type
things I can, I can guarantee

1132
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:34,200
you that is not going to have to
just be the podcaster that calls

1133
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:40,230
that out. If if if fountain
charges 5%. And then five years

1134
01:11:40,230 --> 01:11:43,500
from now, all of a sudden they
go up to 20. Somebody's going to

1135
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:46,470
notice and the whole industry is
going to talk about it. It's

1136
01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:50,790
widely known, again, a cast has
not slowed down. So that just

1137
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:54,000
doesn't make any difference in
the industry, because industry

1138
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,970
is talking about it and they
don't give a shit. People are

1139
01:11:56,970 --> 01:12:00,180
not as far as I know, they're
not necessarily leaving a cast.

1140
01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:05,010
It's a strong arm move. But you
I'd like to know when you say

1141
01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:07,830
people are going if apps are
going to scam people. So when is

1142
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:13,290
it a scam? Is it a scam at
5% 7% 15% 20%? When is it a

1143
01:12:13,290 --> 01:12:16,620
scam? I mean, that's that's that
it's it's all up to

1144
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,890
interpretation. It's not about
whether I think it's a scam.

1145
01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:23,190
It's about whether or not they
say that it's a perceived as

1146
01:12:23,190 --> 01:12:26,880
one. And I can't say when that
is because everybody has their

1147
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,990
own tolerance for those sorts of
things. You know, I go I go back

1148
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:34,560
to I just keep going back to
this this idea that you're gonna

1149
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:40,020
have, you're gonna have poorly
run, you're gonna have

1150
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:45,840
businesses, app podcast at
businesses that can't get their

1151
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,190
costs under control.

1152
01:12:48,330 --> 01:12:51,180
Look, was it podcast addict and
non addict? Pot?

1153
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,700
Pocket Casts pocket pocket? Yes,
yes. So guests sold multiple

1154
01:12:56,700 --> 01:13:00,330
times, they lost all this money,
like they were just losing money

1155
01:13:00,330 --> 01:13:03,960
left and right. They had really,
they had a really hard time,

1156
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:06,840
that really tough go of it,
because they evidently couldn't

1157
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,860
keep their costs under control.
And they may have needed to

1158
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,350
charge 20% In order to, in their
eyes, cover their costs. But

1159
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:19,530
ultimately, it's going to fail
because they can't keep that

1160
01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:22,470
going. Because everybody when
they see, okay, I can use Pocket

1161
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:25,830
Casts, and they're going to
charge 20%. And that's 20% Out

1162
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:29,820
of the Creator's pocket, or I
can go over here to cast ematic

1163
01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:33,000
He's charging 3%. And they are
somehow able to make it work and

1164
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,040
it's just as good of an app,
well, then everybody's just

1165
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,900
gonna bail and go to the to the
app that seems to be able to

1166
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:42,990
keep their stuff under control.
It just seemed stuff. To me, it

1167
01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:45,600
just seems like self correcting
with market forces.

1168
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:51,360
I mean, it sucks. But I don't
know any other way to do it in a

1169
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,890
way that's open and does open
source. No, the the only the

1170
01:13:55,890 --> 01:13:58,920
only difference we're talking
about here is who feels the pain

1171
01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:03,090
when when an app fucks up and
they can't control their their

1172
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,010
their cost is the Creator who
has to up the ante not not the

1173
01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:12,450
listener, not the user of the
app. And the problem, and I'm

1174
01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:14,940
not doing any different. I'm not
screwing up your app, you

1175
01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:18,960
screwed up your app and people
are using your app. But I'm I am

1176
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,350
going to be dinged for that.
That's okay. I mean, and if

1177
01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:24,150
that's the way it is, that's the
way it is.

1178
01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:26,910
It just seems to me

1179
01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:29,010
that

1180
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:33,960
in order for people to
understand what an app is taking

1181
01:14:34,170 --> 01:14:38,610
for a fee, for them, you for
them using it so it's from their

1182
01:14:38,610 --> 01:14:42,330
money. The only way that people
will really know is when it's on

1183
01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:45,300
top of the original amount they
sent just like a credit card

1184
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:48,300
that you know, you have to pay
the extra, you know the courtesy

1185
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:51,720
fee or whatever they call it.
That's the way that market

1186
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,750
forces will really see if it's
worth it. There has to be some

1187
01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:58,740
pain for the user. The user gets
no pain other than if they

1188
01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:59,940
happen to find out

1189
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:06,270
Then they have to make all these
decisions about the value of the

1190
01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:10,980
content that they're listening
to, versus the value of the app.

1191
01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:16,080
I think. And maybe I'm not
giving listeners and users

1192
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,460
enough credit. But hard hat was
an interesting example. He took

1193
01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:23,250
exception to it. And what did we
get negativity?

1194
01:15:24,510 --> 01:15:25,620
Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

1195
01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:28,530
to me, it just seems like a

1196
01:15:29,790 --> 01:15:36,930
it seems like a, a balancing act
between openness? Well, let me

1197
01:15:36,930 --> 01:15:38,850
let me give you the I'm sorry,
let me just give you the

1198
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:39,660
scenario.

1199
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:48,420
It's no less or no more or less
open, if the fee for the app is

1200
01:15:48,420 --> 01:15:52,980
put on, and and the index for
that matter, is put on top of

1201
01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:56,940
what the person is boosting. And
as shown that way, in the log,

1202
01:15:56,970 --> 01:16:02,700
we there's 3%, for using our
app, I have the feeling breeze

1203
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:04,920
does it that way, I'm not 100%.
Sure.

1204
01:16:06,150 --> 01:16:09,960
Okay, that that to me, would be
the preferred way to do it.

1205
01:16:11,340 --> 01:16:16,770
Because then then the user truly
can make a decision whether they

1206
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:19,140
want to continue using that app
for that fee.

1207
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,740
I don't disagree that I don't
disagree with that, and I'm fine

1208
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:28,680
with the index being, you know,
being treated the same way, put

1209
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,340
it in, you know, put us on top
of it 1% For the index. And that

1210
01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:36,270
and that was always kind of the
original idea.

1211
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:41,640
breezes, the first one that went
to 5%. But the original idea was

1212
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,910
1%. For the I think we even were
talking about 1% for the index

1213
01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:47,760
2% for the app, that will be
kind of equal to a credit card

1214
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,660
payment. And in my mind, it was
always kind of treated that way.

1215
01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:53,790
Now, since

1216
01:16:54,810 --> 01:16:59,280
it's not that it's a false
equivalency. But when it when

1217
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,950
you use a card, and they say,
Okay, we need to charge you a

1218
01:17:01,950 --> 01:17:06,090
convenience fee. That's when
that's when you feel that that's

1219
01:17:06,090 --> 01:17:09,000
when you make a decision, right?
Am I going to use this card,

1220
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,360
which is a version of an app,
I'm going to use this card for

1221
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,140
this transaction, use this app
for this transaction, this app

1222
01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:20,700
is charging me a convenience fee
of 3%. Do I want to use it? Do I

1223
01:17:20,730 --> 01:17:21,720
not want to use it?

1224
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:28,710
That That to me feels more fair.
And it's just as open unless I'm

1225
01:17:28,710 --> 01:17:32,520
mistaken. No, I don't I don't
disagree. I don't disagree with

1226
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,970
that. And I'm fine. I'm really
fine with it. Either way, I

1227
01:17:35,970 --> 01:17:37,470
think the

1228
01:17:39,870 --> 01:17:44,760
I think the fee coming. The fee
coming from within the splits

1229
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,380
instead of being put on top.

1230
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:53,250
At least the way I saw it was
that it was meant as a safety

1231
01:17:53,250 --> 01:17:58,470
mechanism for the use for the
listener. Because if if an app

1232
01:17:58,470 --> 01:18:02,910
decides to charge 20%, would
they're charging 1% one day and

1233
01:18:02,910 --> 01:18:05,940
20% the next then the user,

1234
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,210
if if it always comes from
within the split total, then the

1235
01:18:12,210 --> 01:18:17,250
user is never paying more than
they expect it to pay. And if

1236
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:20,790
it's if it's added on top, then
all of a sudden they're paying

1237
01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:24,120
20% More, and they may not
realize it. And I thought that

1238
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,380
that was what Harv has complaint
was that he didn't did it was

1239
01:18:28,380 --> 01:18:31,920
being taken from the top and he
didn't realize it. And it was

1240
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,530
like, Oh, what do you what do
you mean, take over? What do you

1241
01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:35,610
mean, take it from the top?

1242
01:18:36,690 --> 01:18:38,280
I mean, add it to the top is
what I meant.

1243
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:42,510
That's exactly that's exactly
the way I would want it to be.

1244
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,100
Because and like I said, I'm
fine with it. As long as we all

1245
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:50,910
understand this, the way that
and the reason why the factor or

1246
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:53,550
the reason why is you set it
right there, you know, the

1247
01:18:53,550 --> 01:18:57,390
reason it wasn't done that way
was to protect the user. But

1248
01:18:57,390 --> 01:18:59,940
now, he has no protection for
the Creator.

1249
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,170
Now, lux x, I can see that
argument being there's, you

1250
01:19:07,170 --> 01:19:07,740
know, that's

1251
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:13,410
yeah, that's that's I just like
my thing, not to belabor the

1252
01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:17,760
point. But my thing was just
that if you're talking about if

1253
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,430
you're talking about a listener
who wants to give the creator

1254
01:19:22,230 --> 01:19:26,040
you have a have a listener who
wants to give the Creator $10

1255
01:19:28,380 --> 01:19:34,080
If you add a $5 fee, and I'm
just using bogus numbers, if you

1256
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,500
add a $5 fee to it, and they
know they're gonna have to spend

1257
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:42,510
15 in order to pay 10 Then I
don't know that it's really

1258
01:19:42,510 --> 01:19:46,530
ultimately any different to add
it to the top or to the bottom

1259
01:19:46,530 --> 01:19:50,010
because I think they're gonna
adjust what they paid down to

1260
01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:53,460
accommodate the fee, whether
it's added on or taken from

1261
01:19:53,460 --> 01:19:54,090
within.

1262
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,720
It's obviously a huge difference
to me.

1263
01:19:59,520 --> 01:19:59,970
And I think

1264
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,310
And then I think that's where
you get your market forces,

1265
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:05,700
someone will say, Well, this app
is worth it and they charge x,

1266
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,330
let's just use 5%. They charge
and everyone else seems to be

1267
01:20:09,330 --> 01:20:12,600
charging 5%. So if someone's
stuck, this is market forces, if

1268
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,980
someone starts to charge 15%,
which will be apparent because

1269
01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,790
you're gonna see you're, you're
paying 15%, then immediately

1270
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:24,330
people will start to make
assumptions about, okay, well,

1271
01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:27,270
maybe I should be using a
different app, versus

1272
01:20:28,770 --> 01:20:32,490
that that may be going
undetected to the user, because

1273
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,250
they're not always looking at
their amounts that they, in

1274
01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:39,180
fact, when you boost someone
now, you don't necessarily see a

1275
01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:44,130
report that says you will maybe
some apps too, you also spent

1276
01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:46,080
five SATs on network fees.

1277
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,900
That's also in addition, it's an
addition to what the podcaster

1278
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:52,590
receives.

1279
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,880
So that to me feels, and maybe
no one agrees with me. But that,

1280
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,070
that, to me feels a lot more
fair.

1281
01:21:04,530 --> 01:21:07,680
Do you think that so if if I
have,

1282
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,770
is if if I spend,

1283
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,900
if I want to give you 10 bucks,
and of that 10,

1284
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:21,000
after the fee is taken, you end
up with nine

1285
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,590
versus the listener knows that
if they they're going to send

1286
01:21:28,590 --> 01:21:32,130
you 10 bucks, they're gonna be
charged one?

1287
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,110
You, to me, I think that like,

1288
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:42,930
maybe I'm an outlier. Maybe I'm
maybe I don't think like other

1289
01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:46,050
people do. And this is a blind
spot for me, I'm willing to

1290
01:21:46,050 --> 01:21:50,100
accept that possibility that,
that if, because what I would,

1291
01:21:50,130 --> 01:21:52,830
what I'm going to do in every
scenario is, I already know how

1292
01:21:52,830 --> 01:21:54,540
much I want the Creator to get

1293
01:21:56,340 --> 01:21:59,760
in, you can see it in the way I
boost I want, I'm going to send

1294
01:22:00,660 --> 01:22:04,500
boosts that are numerically
meaningful to me. Sure.

1295
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:11,160
I know going into it, okay, I
want the, I want this much to be

1296
01:22:11,550 --> 01:22:17,640
to be sent to the Creator. Now
if I know, if I knew that the

1297
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,650
fee was going to be taken added
to the total, I would just send

1298
01:22:22,650 --> 01:22:25,950
that amount if I knew it was
gonna be taken from the total, I

1299
01:22:25,950 --> 01:22:29,430
would jack it up to meet that
what I wanted to send. So I'm

1300
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:33,180
always going to adjust to get to
the Creator what I want them to

1301
01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:33,780
have.

1302
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,850
So to me, so to me, either one
of those scenarios, they're both

1303
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,370
they're not, it's like six, one
half dozen, the other.

1304
01:22:42,810 --> 01:22:44,970
They're irrelevant to me,
because I'm always gonna get

1305
01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:47,730
through what I want to get
through. But maybe I'm

1306
01:22:47,730 --> 01:22:50,520
different. Maybe I'm not like
everybody else on it. Well, so

1307
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:53,880
you know, the way it's reported,
you know, regardless of where

1308
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:58,200
everything goes, if you send
6969, then that gets reported to

1309
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,830
me as 6969 that comes in the to
V record, but doesn't actually

1310
01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:06,090
represent any actual amount that
that might have come through, or

1311
01:23:06,090 --> 01:23:08,490
that came through as part of my
split.

1312
01:23:09,570 --> 01:23:09,990
Right.

1313
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:14,340
And I'm willing to accept that I
and I think this is important,

1314
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:18,750
because I come to this as a
creator, as a podcaster, who

1315
01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:22,470
actually lives and survives off
of value for value, I have no

1316
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:25,590
other job. So I'm very
particular when it comes to

1317
01:23:25,860 --> 01:23:30,660
where the income is being split,
separated, shared, etc.

1318
01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:36,870
The problem in the scenario that
we're talking about is the

1319
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:38,160
difference between

1320
01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:45,000
and and I'm not this way, and so
but I don't I don't look at the

1321
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,170
splits, I just hammer away and I
just send it and that's it. And

1322
01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:52,770
maybe most people like that
maybe people aren't like that. I

1323
01:23:52,770 --> 01:23:55,650
do know that the numerology is
important. I know that the

1324
01:23:55,650 --> 01:24:00,480
numbers arrive. But I may not
know how much is being charged

1325
01:24:00,570 --> 01:24:06,060
by an app unless I look at my
own wallet and see oh, okay, I

1326
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:08,640
sent $10. And

1327
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,990
I, I paid an additional 30 cents

1328
01:24:14,490 --> 01:24:16,800
to use this app that I like
using.

1329
01:24:18,450 --> 01:24:19,560
Does it my saying that right?

1330
01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:24,060
That's the 3% of $10. Yeah.

1331
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:25,500
Okay.

1332
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:33,420
30 cents, or 50 cents. So
actually, I sent $10 And I know

1333
01:24:33,420 --> 01:24:37,320
it gets split up. However the
podcaster wants that. And that

1334
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,860
cost me 50 cents to support this
app that I'm using.

1335
01:24:43,230 --> 01:24:49,050
It doesn't and that should be
that's a market force. That's

1336
01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:53,730
something that user can decide
right now. And know that that

1337
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,720
the podcast they liked that they
got what they want it now. If

1338
01:24:58,830 --> 01:25:00,000
if a podcast

1339
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,510
The app wants to somehow, I
mean, we can get into all kinds

1340
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:06,960
of intricacies. chargebacks. I
mean, there's a million

1341
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,830
different things you can do. But
that just seems like very simple

1342
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:16,440
for people to understand. And
maybe even, I think it would it

1343
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,980
would keep that automatically
keeps percentages in check, and

1344
01:25:19,980 --> 01:25:24,060
also creates enormous market
forces for competition and

1345
01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:26,580
features and who has the best
stuff?

1346
01:25:28,230 --> 01:25:29,520
Yeah, yeah.

1347
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:35,100
But with but without the,
without the, the, without people

1348
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:40,170
getting pissed off of it on on
any of the sides of the

1349
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:43,890
triangle, you know, it can just
be Oh, that that seems expensive

1350
01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:48,720
to me, versus? Well, I think
that podcast is it's okay, you

1351
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,240
know, it's really valuable, or I
have to send more.

1352
01:25:52,290 --> 01:25:55,770
I don't know, it just to me, it
feels like it shouldn't be an

1353
01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:57,990
addition to what the podcaster

1354
01:25:59,010 --> 01:26:03,930
receives? Or maybe it's 5050. I
mean, that's another way to do

1355
01:26:03,930 --> 01:26:07,740
it. I'm okay with that. As long
as it's in addition,

1356
01:26:10,380 --> 01:26:12,960
that made that that may be
something that may be a way to

1357
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,350
do it.

1358
01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:20,970
I mean, it's do you think
people, so I just pulled up our

1359
01:26:20,970 --> 01:26:22,650
paper, our Pay Pal.

1360
01:26:24,690 --> 01:26:29,190
And what I see on the homepage
here, is I see a list of

1361
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:34,230
donations, and I see payment
from Jordan Dunnville dances $10

1362
01:26:34,770 --> 01:26:39,930
as the payment from Christopher
reamer $10, recurring payment

1363
01:26:39,930 --> 01:26:41,850
from James Sullivan $10. And on
and on.

1364
01:26:42,900 --> 01:26:47,760
The will, if I click on payments
received in actually drill down

1365
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:48,780
into the ledger

1366
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:54,840
assays something different now.
I see. I see an actual ledger

1367
01:26:54,840 --> 01:27:00,750
that says Jordan Dunnville.
Completed gross $10 fee. 93

1368
01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:10,170
cents net $9.07. Yes, of course.
And so PayPal took from us. It

1369
01:27:10,170 --> 01:27:13,140
took from the Create. It's the
exact same scenario took from

1370
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:16,200
the Creator. 93 cents.

1371
01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:22,770
Yeah. And so Jordan, so Jordan
Dunnville sent us 10 bucks, but

1372
01:27:22,770 --> 01:27:28,200
we only get $9.07 of that.
Right. So you're so I allerease.

1373
01:27:28,230 --> 01:27:30,300
I bring that up as an example to
say, I think that's what

1374
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:34,560
everyone is used to. And what
you're saying is that as part of

1375
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:35,940
value for value,

1376
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,160
that you think that as the
philosophy of value for value

1377
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,870
goes that we need to change that
model. I think we need to

1378
01:27:45,870 --> 01:27:47,370
consider it because it

1379
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:53,100
you are talking about value for
value versus a processing fee.

1380
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:59,400
And, you know, Pay Pal is
currently I think at four or 5%.

1381
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,300
And believe me, that works. It
totally works. But then it's

1382
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:07,620
exactly what you see everywhere.
Merchants have to post. Please

1383
01:28:07,620 --> 01:28:11,610
don't use Pay Pal use this.
Please don't I don't want to do

1384
01:28:11,610 --> 01:28:15,180
that. For apps, please don't use
that app, because they charge

1385
01:28:15,180 --> 01:28:19,260
too much. And you know, we don't
we don't make enough for or, you

1386
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:25,440
know, send send extra. Ah, now I
get it. Yeah, I understand that

1387
01:28:25,470 --> 01:28:30,060
the Peter Peters in this app
chat. Maybe the best way to pay

1388
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:33,750
the app makers to take a cut
from the refill wallet function

1389
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:36,240
instead of only instead and
leave the boost dream amounts

1390
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,940
alone. That's that's also a
possibility. I think some I

1391
01:28:38,940 --> 01:28:41,880
think some are already doing
that. Yeah, things breezes

1392
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,610
certainly doing that. And I
think fountains doing it if you

1393
01:28:44,610 --> 01:28:47,790
take money out. I mean, so Yeah,
the thing is,

1394
01:28:49,410 --> 01:28:52,260
and I'm not too worried about
people jacking up their fees,

1395
01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:57,390
but even 5% is high. That's
high. It's a high percentage.

1396
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,820
Now, do I think that it's not
worth it not? But if you're

1397
01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,730
looking at absolute numbers,
what does that equal in dollars

1398
01:29:02,730 --> 01:29:06,120
at the end of the month? You
know, if bitcoin is 100,000,

1399
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:09,210
because, you know, this is
another thing a podcasters have

1400
01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,310
to continuously adjust

1401
01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:15,150
to the boost amounts.

1402
01:29:17,370 --> 01:29:21,210
Here's, here's my, here's the
thing, where my part of where my

1403
01:29:21,210 --> 01:29:25,950
pushback had come from, was, I
don't ever want to tell look

1404
01:29:25,950 --> 01:29:29,730
upon the podcast, app developer
in the eye and say, and I don't

1405
01:29:29,730 --> 01:29:32,490
I'm not saying that you're
saying this, but I would not

1406
01:29:32,490 --> 01:29:35,760
want to ever say that. It looked
him in the eye and say you're

1407
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,080
charging too much.

1408
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:42,570
Because what what they charge is
what? I'm going to trust that

1409
01:29:42,570 --> 01:29:45,870
that's what they have decided
they have to charge. And that's

1410
01:29:45,870 --> 01:29:49,800
where that's where it gets
uncomfortable for me is is

1411
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,380
saying, Oh, that's too much.
Because like, they just may not

1412
01:29:55,380 --> 01:29:58,560
be very good at running and
running a business. Right and

1413
01:29:58,590 --> 01:29:59,970
I'd rather than just go

1414
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,260
I honestly reduce them. If they
can't compete with market with

1415
01:30:04,260 --> 01:30:07,200
market rates, I'd rather than,
you know, whatever that happens

1416
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,500
to be, rather than just go do
something, something else,

1417
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:13,620
honestly, I mean, it sounds that
may sound bad, but I mean, like

1418
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:16,590
that that applies with App Store
fees, too. I mean, like, if

1419
01:30:16,590 --> 01:30:20,370
they're gonna have to charge $50
a month for an app for an app

1420
01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,220
for a podcast app on the
subscription model in the App

1421
01:30:23,220 --> 01:30:25,260
Store, they're probably not
going to be around very long,

1422
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,530
either. Now, there's your
perfect thing. There's your

1423
01:30:28,530 --> 01:30:29,520
perfect example.

1424
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:35,640
Hundreds of millions of dollars
in legal fees later, finally, we

1425
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:42,450
realized that is not a good idea
to charge 30%. Yeah. So if it

1426
01:30:42,450 --> 01:30:48,210
was 20%, it would have been the
same lawsuits. If it was 15%, it

1427
01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:50,070
would have been the same
lawsuits.

1428
01:30:51,330 --> 01:30:54,900
It's always going to be
perceived as too much for

1429
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:55,770
creators.

1430
01:30:57,420 --> 01:30:58,680
I personally,

1431
01:31:00,660 --> 01:31:04,560
you know, I put curio caster and
sovereign feeds, I put them in

1432
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:05,370
my block.

1433
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,700
You know? And, well, there's no,
there's an idea. Okay, hold on a

1434
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:13,620
second. Let me think about this.

1435
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:16,110
That is a way that

1436
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:24,210
maybe a creator can signal and
say, Hey, I'm okay with a 5%

1437
01:31:24,210 --> 01:31:24,630
fee.

1438
01:31:25,650 --> 01:31:30,060
And I'm going to put you or
maybe there's a dynamic block, I

1439
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:32,220
open up and put that right in
there for you.

1440
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,840
And maybe there's a default that
we that we kind of agree upon.

1441
01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:40,380
But then anything above and
beyond I mean, it just gets

1442
01:31:40,380 --> 01:31:47,010
weird. If PayPal all of a sudden
charge 10% to 15%. First, we

1443
01:31:47,010 --> 01:31:48,090
wouldn't know about it,

1444
01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:52,260
then we'd figure it out. And
then we'd be very, very angry.

1445
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,340
Right? So but if

1446
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:58,470
when you send

1447
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,110
person to person, PayPal says,
Okay, you can send this, you're

1448
01:32:04,110 --> 01:32:05,790
going to be charged 30 cents.

1449
01:32:08,670 --> 01:32:12,150
That's where the sender pays for
it, versus a business paying for

1450
01:32:12,150 --> 01:32:15,570
it. So there's all there's all
different aspects to this, and

1451
01:32:15,570 --> 01:32:18,540
that is truly market forces. I
don't have the answer.

1452
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:23,160
Maybe just this conversation is
good enough that everybody kind

1453
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,480
of thinks about what they're
doing.

1454
01:32:27,060 --> 01:32:30,870
And this is worth having. Yeah,
no, and no one is really hard of

1455
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:34,260
how to think is the first real
complaint that I've seen it. And

1456
01:32:34,260 --> 01:32:36,360
that may have also stemmed from,
you know,

1457
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:41,700
a lot of people went, Oh, Oscar
is doing ads a day shift. And

1458
01:32:41,970 --> 01:32:44,610
there's a lot of different
things, weaving in and out.

1459
01:32:46,410 --> 01:32:50,160
Yeah. And to Peter's point in
his in his donation node,

1460
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:50,790
that's,

1461
01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:54,900
you know, I mean, I agree
there's going to be, yeah,

1462
01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:57,300
there's there's going to be
scammy ads, I mean, the crypto

1463
01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:03,870
space, it's up to us to police
that to, like, you know, because

1464
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,320
the nature of ads is that if
they get no response, you stop

1465
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:14,700
hearing them. And so like that's
up to us to educate people about

1466
01:33:14,850 --> 01:33:16,770
quote unquote, crypto and

1467
01:33:18,660 --> 01:33:24,300
crypto crypto to call and call
out the scam. scammers out there

1468
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:26,880
who are trying to you know who
are trying who were in this for

1469
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,000
a Ponzi scheme or whatever and
call and call that shit out. By

1470
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,310
the way. I haven't heard of
anything what's going on? What

1471
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:36,600
scammers are out there. What did
I miss? I don't I mean, it's

1472
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,290
evidently some ads running on
fountain. I'm guessing I'm

1473
01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:45,870
guessing or within Oh, I know.
Okay. Some of the ads were were

1474
01:33:45,870 --> 01:33:49,140
Crypto Ads. Okay. Yeah, I
understand. Well, that's yeah.

1475
01:33:49,170 --> 01:33:52,590
Hey, you jump into the
advertising business. That's

1476
01:33:52,620 --> 01:33:55,590
that's part of what you get, you
know, you can't get out because

1477
01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:58,710
of the content and the ads you
can get sometimes the people

1478
01:33:58,710 --> 01:34:01,320
like the content. I hate those
ads. I mean, that's that's just

1479
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:05,760
hard. As a blog fi and hodl
hodl. Not I'm not familiar with

1480
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:05,850
it.

1481
01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,650
Who knows? Is that the D that's
D flat D. D? Yeah.

1482
01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:15,450
We'll see. That's it's up to us
to call it out. You know, and

1483
01:34:15,450 --> 01:34:18,600
like that may not mean you but I
mean, like everybody in the

1484
01:34:18,630 --> 01:34:21,630
know. I think you're right, a
father in the pod sage. We have

1485
01:34:21,630 --> 01:34:24,420
to waive the scepter and call it
out. Dammit. Yeah.

1486
01:34:27,420 --> 01:34:31,080
It's absolute pants. I do I do.
You want to make it really,

1487
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,280
really clear that I want app
developers to be rich. I want

1488
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,160
you to be successful. You hate
app development. I want you to

1489
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,460
be successful. I want you to be
happy. I want everything to be

1490
01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:45,600
super. The part of the whole
idea was to have everybody in

1491
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,990
the ecosystem and the next not
for this episode. We're also

1492
01:34:48,990 --> 01:34:51,840
going to have to figure out how
that works with with hosting and

1493
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,550
storage such as no agenda tube,
and I'm so proud that we are

1494
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:57,570
working through this

1495
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,000
because these are things

1496
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,190
that has to be talked about
eventually. I mean, it's just

1497
01:35:02,190 --> 01:35:05,550
the maturity of the ecosystem
it's getting. To me this is a

1498
01:35:05,550 --> 01:35:08,850
sign that they that the system
is beginning to mature to the

1499
01:35:08,850 --> 01:35:11,730
point where you have these
discussions. It's no longer it's

1500
01:35:11,730 --> 01:35:14,910
not just scissors anymore. I
mean, like, it's rock scissor

1501
01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:17,070
papers, is hedge clippers.

1502
01:35:18,090 --> 01:35:21,360
If somebody can get hurt, you
lose a hand that we're telling

1503
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:21,480
you.

1504
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:27,810
Can we thank people? Well, I
want to take a detour real

1505
01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:32,130
quick, though. Okay, sure. I I
can't it's not the right show

1506
01:35:32,130 --> 01:35:33,360
for this because I can't I mean,

1507
01:35:34,530 --> 01:35:39,420
I can't do an ask Adam. So I can
ask, but I could ask the pod. I

1508
01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:42,090
can ask the pod. I don't have a
jingle for Ask the pod father

1509
01:35:42,090 --> 01:35:43,980
but yeah, okay, but that's good.

1510
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:47,190
So I'm listening to pod land
yesterday and,

1511
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,170
and Sam said he, he said
something that I did not

1512
01:35:52,170 --> 01:35:56,640
understand if you would indulge
us. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's the

1513
01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,420
pod father. All right. Here we
go. Totally rubbish. That. I

1514
01:36:00,420 --> 01:36:00,750
mean.

1515
01:36:03,570 --> 01:36:06,960
Yeah, no, absolutely. Pants. I
mean,

1516
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,160
okay, what is absolute pants?

1517
01:36:12,690 --> 01:36:16,380
Okay, and I consider myself at
least mildly fluent.

1518
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,010
In, in what you might call

1519
01:36:21,330 --> 01:36:25,260
lingua lingua Britannia for the
British, the British and British

1520
01:36:25,260 --> 01:36:28,650
isms. But I've never heard the
phrase absolute pants before.

1521
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,080
Yeah. And I would like to it
means

1522
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:34,200
rubbish. bullcrap.

1523
01:36:36,180 --> 01:36:41,670
Well as it pans, you know, let
me take a look and see if I, I

1524
01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:45,390
mean, I lived in the UK for five
years. So until I've heard this,

1525
01:36:45,390 --> 01:36:48,780
of course, it's kind of a nicer
way of saying the Brits are

1526
01:36:48,780 --> 01:36:52,500
weird. You know, they use the C
word all the time. The C word is

1527
01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:56,250
okay in the UK. You know, the
See you next year, next Tuesday.

1528
01:36:56,460 --> 01:37:00,810
But you can't say Fannie, Fannie
Oh, that's Fannie as Nast that

1529
01:37:00,810 --> 01:37:03,120
you can't say that. But you
know, so it's

1530
01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:08,640
I wonder what that homology of
that is. But it means bullcrap.

1531
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,850
It's just a nicer wave. It's a
funny way. I think it's when

1532
01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:14,550
kids grow up with oh, that's
pants mother.

1533
01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:19,740
I've never heard that whenever
that was that was a new one. Oh

1534
01:37:19,740 --> 01:37:21,870
my I just said I've listened to
it two or three times. Like you

1535
01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:23,310
said, Did I hear you say pants?

1536
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:24,750
Okay.

1537
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:28,710
All right. Yeah, we can. Thanks
for people. Yeah, Should I do

1538
01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:32,040
the we got a couple let me see
now let me make sure I got this

1539
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:32,490
right.

1540
01:37:34,410 --> 01:37:37,170
Now hopefully I got this right.
I got a couple of these things

1541
01:37:37,170 --> 01:37:41,430
set up. I don't know did I get
the road ducks? I'm really I

1542
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:43,380
still have to work on this.
Okay, let me do some of these

1543
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:46,980
live boosting your rig. Your rig
is the training era.

1544
01:37:48,210 --> 01:37:50,640
This is now all the muscle
memory you know, I got to learn

1545
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:51,090
which

1546
01:37:52,230 --> 01:37:53,550
which button is which

1547
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,020
live boosts coming in during
this lit episode 91 This has

1548
01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:02,370
value for value. And the way it
works is if you like hearing two

1549
01:38:02,370 --> 01:38:05,520
middle aged guys argue with each
other over who pays for the

1550
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:10,050
bill. And you find that a
valuable conversation, please,

1551
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:11,760
because that was the whole show.

1552
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:15,000
I guess it was important to us.

1553
01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:19,290
Then please support us you
support a lot more than this

1554
01:38:19,290 --> 01:38:22,740
show. Of course you support the
entire infrastructure of

1555
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:26,010
podcasts index.org and
everything that we're doing and

1556
01:38:26,010 --> 01:38:28,500
liquidity on the node as well
which we really appreciate and

1557
01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,970
we're glad we had some today.
And Steven B drains the channel

1558
01:38:32,970 --> 01:38:39,480
as well with 100,000 sat boost
no Stephen B. And and this is

1559
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:43,560
interesting because I guess this
is a boost gone viral because he

1560
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,740
repeats the same thing as pay
tar and I will repeat it for

1561
01:38:46,740 --> 01:38:50,640
100,000 SATs I'll do a lot. This
is a Bitcoin Public Service

1562
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,100
Announcement defending freedom
money requires eternal

1563
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:55,710
vigilance. There will always be
scammy companies out there

1564
01:38:55,710 --> 01:38:59,130
trying to steal your Bitcoin.
These charlatans are starting to

1565
01:38:59,130 --> 01:39:01,890
make their way into the
podcasting 2.0 ecosystem. Listen

1566
01:39:01,890 --> 01:39:04,740
to the advice from Uncle Marty
and Uncle Matt. Stay humble

1567
01:39:04,740 --> 01:39:07,920
stack SATs hold your own keys
don't use leverage don't yield

1568
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,720
farm. I love you all a go
podcasting booze.

1569
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:16,920
Was that on the board?

1570
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,010
My muscle memory is blue button
and that was not the right one.

1571
01:39:24,150 --> 01:39:28,560
We got another booster gram from
Steven B 1000 SATs I don't want

1572
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,170
PE tars message lost in the
excitement of the size of his

1573
01:39:31,170 --> 01:39:33,600
boosts. Oh, here it is again.
Yes. Thank you. We got that from

1574
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:33,780
you.

1575
01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:42,480
We got see. See Brooklyn
112 5000 SATs not five mil but

1576
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,970
it's what I got. Thank you for
your courage go podcast,

1577
01:39:45,180 --> 01:39:45,840
podcast.

1578
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,580
Thank you very much, sir.
Absolutely. And that's how value

1579
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:53,520
for value works. It's not about
how much it's what's valuable to

1580
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,210
you. That's what it always comes
down to. Then we have sir

1581
01:39:57,210 --> 01:40:00,000
Spencer 22,220

1582
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,240
To my boost is not worthy Thank
you pay Tara you are a legend I

1583
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,750
completely disagree your boost
is justified is anybody else's

1584
01:40:06,930 --> 01:40:07,590
and it's

1585
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:09,750
roadex

1586
01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:14,970
Then we have the 5 million SATs
from pay Tara and of course we

1587
01:40:14,970 --> 01:40:20,400
just read that note 1000 Or that
was a anonymous Taurus Elon Musk

1588
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,830
Yes, this is the mark pug is
This is Mark Wagner Park Bogner

1589
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:30,600
road 1800 from ambitious you can
look but you can't touch unless

1590
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,390
it's over 18 I missed the
context of that one.

1591
01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:39,660
Blueberry boosting I'm only
going to read the ones that are

1592
01:40:39,690 --> 01:40:46,170
actually boosted on the for the
for the lit send us 488888

1593
01:40:46,170 --> 01:40:50,160
Blueberry sweet live item tag
bro. also worked at Tesla

1594
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,280
concert last night those guys
not a rocket out hard really?

1595
01:40:54,030 --> 01:40:59,220
Oh, that's interesting. And then
I have Yeah, I can no they don't

1596
01:40:59,250 --> 01:41:02,700
in Texas. I'm sure they can.
They can rock out pretty hard. I

1597
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:07,470
believe that. Hey, man, what a
great bunch of booster grams.

1598
01:41:07,470 --> 01:41:10,260
Thank you all very much. This is
great. Let's go to our pay pals.

1599
01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:14,070
Do we get anything from the Fiat
fun coupons which by the way, we

1600
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:16,740
don't need anything this week.
Thanks to the magic of the

1601
01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:19,380
Lightning Network podcasting 2.0
and

1602
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:21,090
pay turn.

1603
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,680
We get we did get something new
even though even though we're

1604
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,920
fully covered by HR. We did get
a couple of papers.

1605
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:35,490
Marco Arment $500 every single
month. Thank you Marco.

1606
01:41:37,530 --> 01:41:40,770
Yep, beautiful. Yes, thank you
Marco.

1607
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:46,980
We also got Buzzsprout $500.
Loose Bucha

1608
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,620
This is buddy. This is the de
Bucha

1609
01:41:56,190 --> 01:42:03,480
the we also got another this is
a first time donor. Longtime

1610
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:06,150
Boehner Oh, hold on a second. If
it's a first timer.

1611
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,840
We need to defragment Okay.

1612
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:14,730
Who do we defragment today

1613
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,880
the legend Dave Jackson to Yes,
he says now

1614
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,960
I thought he booted he hasn't he
boosted before. He's boosted but

1615
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:30,450
this one a boost. This was a Pay
Pal. Oh, okay. $100 is what he

1616
01:42:30,450 --> 01:42:34,950
said. Oh man, he says he says
contributed by the School of

1617
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:38,340
podcasting. He says I played a
clip of your show and a segment

1618
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:42,450
on the school of podcasting
about Spotify. Consider this my

1619
01:42:42,450 --> 01:42:46,260
licensing fee. See you in Dallas
go podcast podcast.

1620
01:42:48,150 --> 01:42:52,860
Thanks, Dave. Yeah, he also he
boosted Korean the keeper with a

1621
01:42:52,860 --> 01:42:56,220
really nice note. Yeah, and I
was like, this is Dave Jett and

1622
01:42:56,220 --> 01:43:00,480
teams Dave Jackson. Really?
Yeah. The man been around as

1623
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:04,380
long as all podcasting pretty
much Dave bring your bring your

1624
01:43:04,380 --> 01:43:07,260
x will jam a little bit of
podcast. Yeah, I'll bring my

1625
01:43:07,260 --> 01:43:08,670
road caster I'll mix it

1626
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,260
I haven't hooked up the Theramin
to it yet, but it's coming.

1627
01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:17,400
We've got a seat that was That
was all for pay pals. We got a

1628
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:18,270
lot of booths though.

1629
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:25,500
A lot of histograms get read out
of the gate. I gotta make good

1630
01:43:26,670 --> 01:43:35,310
cuz I missed ROI. Last week.
54,321 SATs no note. No, sorry.

1631
01:43:35,460 --> 01:43:38,880
That ROI. Well, let me give him
a big baller. Then why not? Wow.

1632
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:44,460
Shot Caller 20 his blades on
him. Paula. He's a big baller.

1633
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:50,820
But he boosted again with 54,321
says and he says some emojis for

1634
01:43:50,820 --> 01:43:52,470
Dave. And did they come through?

1635
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,030
I think he was trolling me
because he knows that it doesn't

1636
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:57,870
get read man.

1637
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,700
Are you using mutt now? Is that
are you finally on the train?

1638
01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:09,000
I've not installed my dot mutt
rc file. No ma'am you yet but

1639
01:44:09,060 --> 01:44:13,500
but I am navigating fast mail
with the H J K and L keys. How

1640
01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:16,830
much do you love that I eat now
you're grown up? You're finally

1641
01:44:16,830 --> 01:44:20,940
using it the way it should be
used. I'm such a big boy. It's

1642
01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:24,480
great. Yeah, how you doing?
Better than the arrow keys?

1643
01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:28,680
Oh yeah, actually, it's exactly
the same as the air casement a

1644
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:29,490
different spot

1645
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,710
Well, let's see. Let me go ahead
and dare no

1646
01:44:35,790 --> 01:44:44,220
dare no sin us 100,033 says bolo
shot kala 20 his blades only him

1647
01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:48,900
Paula anything over 100 It's got
to be a big baller through pod

1648
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:52,890
verse, which is great. That's
cool. So this is our record for

1649
01:44:52,890 --> 01:44:56,370
pod versus this and I think it's
an lb integration nice.

1650
01:44:57,780 --> 01:44:59,970
This is the work you're doing is
essential. You

1651
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,510
Here's my vague you crazy
visionary mad scientist's listen

1652
01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:06,330
to random thoughts it's better
than AI dot cooking

1653
01:45:07,529 --> 01:45:14,219
Okay, random that's our end you
MB That's right. Yes. And I will

1654
01:45:14,219 --> 01:45:18,449
let comic strip blogger debate
whether or not it's better than

1655
01:45:18,449 --> 01:45:20,129
a duck cooking thank you Darren
now

1656
01:45:22,290 --> 01:45:24,510
the Bruce Wayne of podcasting
grips got

1657
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:30,780
he grabs Scott was more I was
gonna didn't work dammit sorry

1658
01:45:31,050 --> 01:45:35,460
okay yes what not I was just
messing around one to try to

1659
01:45:35,460 --> 01:45:40,920
count the did the numbers in
this boost 12345677 digits in

1660
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:45,570
this boost. Oh my god. 1 million
in one set. What

1661
01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:50,340
it is, is messages go
podcasting.

1662
01:45:51,540 --> 01:46:00,780
Go podcast. Follow Sakala play
on the Impala man. Extra Stanley

1663
01:46:00,780 --> 01:46:01,560
boost for that

1664
01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:08,100
the okay I take back everything
I said about people not

1665
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:12,360
adjusting their boost amounts to
the current value I take it all

1666
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:19,470
back. I take that as a as what
it is a implicit

1667
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:22,800
admission that I'm right and
you're wrong.

1668
01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:29,010
If that will make you happy,
darling. Yes, you're right. I am

1669
01:46:29,010 --> 01:46:35,370
wrong. I'm a bad man. Yeah, no.
I'm not a good person. A bad

1670
01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:39,780
podcast. I love you Dave Jones
let it be known. Yeah, I love

1671
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:40,230
you too. Bro.

1672
01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:48,300
We got more boost even more
boost even more. I think I don't

1673
01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:49,530
think we read this in the show.

1674
01:46:50,610 --> 01:46:54,480
But it gets a little dicey
towards the end. So I'm gonna go

1675
01:46:54,510 --> 01:46:58,380
do we did we read a big row of
ducks Mitch 22 to 22 and he says

1676
01:46:58,380 --> 01:47:01,680
hey guys, enjoying the live item
discussion while listening live

1677
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:03,660
Hi, I have rode ducks on pod
verse

1678
01:47:04,860 --> 01:47:07,680
Don't sorry written no I didn't
think I'm gonna go

1679
01:47:11,130 --> 01:47:15,390
lavish send us a row ducks 2222
Nice through fountain nice rock

1680
01:47:15,390 --> 01:47:16,080
and roll

1681
01:47:22,650 --> 01:47:28,500
meet us send us 6969 is a pew
pew pew wait I have I have that

1682
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:29,490
one. There we go.

1683
01:47:30,540 --> 01:47:33,540
I'm learning loaded on the board
here the muscle memory starting

1684
01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:35,610
to kick in. Okay, slow.

1685
01:47:36,660 --> 01:47:41,070
Eric peepee since 1980 I wonder
if that's numerology it's gotta

1686
01:47:41,070 --> 01:47:44,670
be gotta be ages Yeah, he just
says boosts

1687
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:53,130
There we go. Oh, I've got a I've
got an ISO by the way. See what

1688
01:47:53,130 --> 01:47:56,130
you got over here. Wait, is it a
nice did I label it as a nice

1689
01:47:56,940 --> 01:47:58,080
well if this is it

1690
01:48:05,790 --> 01:48:09,420
Oh, all right. I'm loading this
into my smart pads later.

1691
01:48:13,380 --> 01:48:16,500
Callay bear. Oh, that's great.
We'll be here one more time.

1692
01:48:22,500 --> 01:48:23,790
Perfect, Kyle. Thank you.

1693
01:48:25,260 --> 01:48:26,550
That's I mean,

1694
01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,540
of course it hasn't written all
over it. See, Mike sent us 5678

1695
01:48:33,540 --> 01:48:36,420
sets through curio caster and he
says Dave didn't know j&k Were

1696
01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:40,020
up and down in might those two
keys oh wait, we already read

1697
01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:43,620
that with that same thing and
fast mail yet people kept I mean

1698
01:48:43,650 --> 01:48:47,220
people just piled on me this
whole week on podcast index dot

1699
01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:51,780
social about not knowing about h
k now. I mean, yeah, I can see

1700
01:48:51,780 --> 01:48:55,320
why it was surprised. I know
you're not a loser. I mean, you

1701
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,960
can't keep a Linux box from
freezing out but otherwise

1702
01:49:00,570 --> 01:49:02,010
nobody can do that. That's

1703
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:04,500
not made of magic.

1704
01:49:06,510 --> 01:49:11,730
Mitch sinister 2222. Through pod
version he says Looking forward

1705
01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:14,040
to seeing y'all Podcast Movement
Dallas I might need

1706
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:21,090
I might need a new podcasting
2.0 t shirt because I don't fit

1707
01:49:21,090 --> 01:49:22,260
in the small anymore.

1708
01:49:23,370 --> 01:49:26,250
That's what that's what that's
what 2.0 development will do to

1709
01:49:26,250 --> 01:49:30,060
you. That's right. I will get
you take care of their Mitch

1710
01:49:31,980 --> 01:49:32,670
see we got

1711
01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:41,310
9191 SAS from chyron at mere
mortals podcast nice to curio

1712
01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:44,550
caster and he says I'm more
inclined towards Adam on the V

1713
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:48,330
for the outside of the feed
issue. I'd love to vie for I'd

1714
01:49:48,330 --> 01:49:51,360
love to vie for V the stupid
memes that create but please

1715
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,050
don't spend any time catering to
my weird whims. It sounds like a

1716
01:49:55,050 --> 01:49:59,220
real particular particular use
case to capture people download

1717
01:49:59,220 --> 01:50:00,000
the mp4 is out

1718
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,610
outside of streaming on the
website or app, does this

1719
01:50:02,610 --> 01:50:07,470
actually happen very much? I
don't know. No. But what does

1720
01:50:07,470 --> 01:50:12,270
happen is, as we know, a lot of
female podcast listeners will

1721
01:50:12,270 --> 01:50:16,740
listen to an mp3 on our website
in a web player or god knows

1722
01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:20,040
maybe just clicking on a
download this mp3 link that does

1723
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,070
I'm sure there's a reasonable
amount of people that do that.

1724
01:50:24,060 --> 01:50:24,480
Yeah.

1725
01:50:25,590 --> 01:50:29,220
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. But
again, you know, just so we put

1726
01:50:29,220 --> 01:50:30,300
it all into perspective,

1727
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:36,540
value for value that I've been
doing for a decade and a half it

1728
01:50:36,570 --> 01:50:40,350
and we're good, we're really
good at it for maybe sometimes

1729
01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:45,540
not, I'd say 4% of the entire
audience donates. That's it. The

1730
01:50:45,540 --> 01:50:49,800
rest just need to be shamed and
called douchebags. Yeah, we can

1731
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,910
do that too. And what happens?
Now what happens is, over time,

1732
01:50:54,930 --> 01:50:57,780
people will say, you know, I've
been listening for five years, I

1733
01:50:57,780 --> 01:51:00,240
haven't given anything and they
come in with a whopper amount

1734
01:51:00,270 --> 01:51:03,330
eventually it all kind of works
out some somehow.

1735
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:05,910
Well, that should be in the
spec.

1736
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:10,140
If nobody if somebody's
listening, never donates, it

1737
01:51:10,140 --> 01:51:13,260
just pops up and says you're a
douche. Well, this is this is

1738
01:51:13,260 --> 01:51:16,890
what with no agenda that's what
the producers the listeners

1739
01:51:16,890 --> 01:51:19,230
slash producers they develop
that themselves. They start

1740
01:51:19,230 --> 01:51:21,360
calling people out Hey, that guy
you know, he hit me in the

1741
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,850
mouth. He told me about the
show, but he hasn't donated he's

1742
01:51:23,850 --> 01:51:27,510
a douchebag and then people
started donating saying I was a

1743
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:31,200
douchebag that's no good. And to
this terminology didn't come

1744
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:34,020
from us. I don't call people
douchebags all I do now. It's

1745
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:37,770
now it's embedded in my brain.
That's where the deducing came

1746
01:51:37,770 --> 01:51:39,780
from like D fragmenting. It's
the same thing.

1747
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:46,170
Silver owl gave us 120 SATs he
says now it's five sets five

1748
01:51:46,170 --> 01:51:50,190
equal 120 factorial boost one
one exclamation point. Oops

1749
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:54,420
I don't know what any of that
means.

1750
01:51:57,030 --> 01:52:00,030
Chris are give us 5000 SATs
through curio Castro. Thank you.

1751
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,900
Thank you. Great work pod father
and sages. Is it possible to

1752
01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:07,110
still claim a podcasting 2.0 t
shirt? I'd love to rock a little

1753
01:52:07,110 --> 01:52:11,160
piece of history. Of course it
is. Yeah. Yep. Your accounting.

1754
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:14,760
Yeah. Got your accounting that's
going well right with the with

1755
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:18,870
no agenda shop. Of course we
have podcasts index dot shop.

1756
01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:21,360
Let me see if they have the
updated anything recently. I

1757
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,690
haven't looked at it and why we
should promote that. Yeah, it's

1758
01:52:24,690 --> 01:52:26,520
a lot easier than it was before
because I just shoot him an

1759
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,880
email with the name and address
the chair size and he just takes

1760
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,480
care of it. Yeah. Done. Let me
see the no agenda show the pod

1761
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:36,720
podcast index dot shop. Now it's
still we need some more some

1762
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,900
more products in there. Some
cool designs, some running with

1763
01:52:39,900 --> 01:52:42,540
scissors T shirts. That will be
cool.

1764
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,110
That would be cool. We get to
figure out something to take to

1765
01:52:46,110 --> 01:52:47,640
Podcast Movement.

1766
01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:52,680
Let's talk to those guys. Yeah.
Oh, by the way, are we now

1767
01:52:52,710 --> 01:52:58,230
officially late for our call at
three? Now? Yes, we are. Does

1768
01:52:58,230 --> 01:53:00,780
anyone know that? We're late for
our call at three maybe you

1769
01:53:00,780 --> 01:53:02,370
should ping someone about that
just

1770
01:53:04,170 --> 01:53:10,920
Yeah, I should. I should text
see show running long.

1771
01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:15,990
Before we were I can just see if
I could bring them right in.

1772
01:53:17,460 --> 01:53:20,100
If I had if I had the board set
up we could just do our next

1773
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:24,120
meeting or next week during the
show. Right just go right into

1774
01:53:25,260 --> 01:53:29,250
Cass peatland. 963 SATs through
fountain he says I'm so proud

1775
01:53:29,250 --> 01:53:33,240
with with my pennies to what

1776
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:40,440
I'm so proud with my opinion
these two so SOP RTE

1777
01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:47,550
SRP SOP. What are SOP Rte?

1778
01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:50,160
So, I don't know a cat

1779
01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:56,130
ducks thing that even I don't
get, but we appreciate it. We'll

1780
01:53:56,130 --> 01:53:57,810
take anything thank you so much.

1781
01:54:00,030 --> 01:54:04,050
When Wade Dutch on us, okay.
floydian slips 2000 SATs he

1782
01:54:04,050 --> 01:54:07,290
says. Who's drumming? Stop that
drumming. We'll do it live.

1783
01:54:07,500 --> 01:54:09,570
Okay. That was your kid. Your
kid.

1784
01:54:11,460 --> 01:54:16,680
Forget about the Macintosh says
1234 says he says Happy Friday

1785
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,800
thoughts on fountains new update
that pays users to listen to

1786
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:24,540
podcasts. I think we've gone
through. No Yeah, we beat them

1787
01:54:24,540 --> 01:54:29,430
to death. Yeah. Caspi Lind again
he says 2460 SATs he says

1788
01:54:30,930 --> 01:54:35,490
either fountain 0.4. Release. I
need to listen back to Oscar

1789
01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:38,580
thanks for the work. It would be
cool if na could give total

1790
01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,430
received SATs boost number.

1791
01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:47,130
Maybe he just wants to know like
a leaderboard. I got to talk to

1792
01:54:47,130 --> 01:54:50,520
the Vortech about that because I
slowly want to kind of bring him

1793
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,110
in. And

1794
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:59,130
what I'd like is I'd like for
artists to get a split who do

1795
01:54:59,130 --> 01:54:59,940
album art

1796
01:55:00,570 --> 01:55:05,070
And you know, because we fought
we have a veto in our

1797
01:55:05,070 --> 01:55:07,410
partnership so he doesn't want
any bitcoin touching the

1798
01:55:07,410 --> 01:55:08,850
corporation so that's okay.

1799
01:55:10,530 --> 01:55:14,580
I keep working on that angle but
I think it'd be okay if it went

1800
01:55:14,580 --> 01:55:17,700
to other people. And then we
could do leaderboards and all

1801
01:55:17,700 --> 01:55:22,530
that stuff. But you know, slow
process people slow process.

1802
01:55:22,770 --> 01:55:26,490
Boost boost boost. I already got
him saying that. I also think

1803
01:55:26,490 --> 01:55:27,960
Cass is a little drunk. So that

1804
01:55:31,050 --> 01:55:36,600
was me 2383 and a 7777 SATs and
he says Tim ah, I do believe in

1805
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,190
your vision. Well, thanks, Tim.
Oh, nice. To me that just

1806
01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:44,190
caught me off guard.

1807
01:55:45,450 --> 01:55:49,260
Let's see. Oh, that's That's
you. That's you know, boosting.

1808
01:55:49,740 --> 01:55:54,300
Oh, it was my pre boost. Yeah,
Nomad, Joe 2000 SATs through

1809
01:55:54,300 --> 01:55:57,270
fountain and he says boosting
from Lake Champlain in Vermont.

1810
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:03,000
Anything about sex drawn 3000
That's, that's a good thing.

1811
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:08,310
It's a cool it's extra 3019 SATs
and he just says trial boost.

1812
01:56:08,340 --> 01:56:12,480
Okay, Okay, gotcha. It's
successful. Dion's in his 5000.

1813
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,330
SAS through Fontanini says if
Trudeau likes ranked voting, it

1814
01:56:15,330 --> 01:56:20,940
can't be good. Okay, that's for
us. I guess they came to us

1815
01:56:20,940 --> 01:56:23,670
weird. I know. It sounds like
it's not meant for no agenda or

1816
01:56:23,670 --> 01:56:26,400
something. All right. Yeah. It
said podcasting. 2.0 maybe

1817
01:56:26,430 --> 01:56:30,990
confused and boosted the wrong
show is okay. Bumi he's from my

1818
01:56:30,990 --> 01:56:32,640
Alby, right. Oh, yeah.

1819
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,480
Is he from altbier? Yes, I
believe so. Yeah. Okay.

1820
01:56:37,710 --> 01:56:41,010
2100 SATs and he says confetti
cannon?

1821
01:56:43,020 --> 01:56:45,810
What I have I have I don't I
have a

1822
01:56:46,890 --> 01:56:49,050
thought I had a confetti cannon.

1823
01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:51,390
Something like this

1824
01:56:56,130 --> 01:56:56,640
maybe not.

1825
01:56:57,990 --> 01:57:02,550
I like it is trying just trying
stuff out. Boris Gizelle ski

1826
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:05,160
gave us 200 SATs and he says
thank you for your lots. Thank

1827
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:07,680
you for lots of inspirations.
You're welcome Boris. You're

1828
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:08,250
very much

1829
01:57:11,610 --> 01:57:20,520
Oh slewed slewed send us
53,000 53,163 SATs nice. He says

1830
01:57:20,670 --> 01:57:28,170
this 53,163 is 1611 times 33.
When converted to fiat it only

1831
01:57:28,170 --> 01:57:31,740
comes out to about 10 bucks.
Once Bitcoin hits 1 million each

1832
01:57:31,740 --> 01:57:33,720
set will be worth $1 Go
podcasting.

1833
01:57:36,900 --> 01:57:37,860
Go podcast

1834
01:57:42,870 --> 01:57:47,820
Auburn Citadel gives 49,490 SAS
and he says streaming gold 2.0

1835
01:57:47,820 --> 01:57:51,240
from Auburn California where the
40 Niners flocked to during the

1836
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:55,860
gold rush. Yay. Stream streaming
those SATs baby Thank you. Thank

1837
01:57:55,860 --> 01:58:00,450
you obviously that's a standard
49 490 Boost thing I love it.

1838
01:58:01,050 --> 01:58:04,590
Cole McCormick's and as a road
ducks 2222 And he says I used

1839
01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:07,980
fountains new promotion feature
and I'm so hyped about getting

1840
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:12,780
people set to listen to me. Max
sets per listen is 1500 set by

1841
01:58:12,780 --> 01:58:16,770
me. You have kept 1000 and
boosted me 500 Now I get ducks

1842
01:58:16,770 --> 01:58:19,050
for you ducks listen to America
plus

1843
01:58:24,570 --> 01:58:28,170
okay, America plus that's not to
give that one a shot America

1844
01:58:28,530 --> 01:58:32,760
there's hard hat Yeah, there he
is. He's in the house ladies.

1845
01:58:33,330 --> 01:58:34,470
Okay yes

1846
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:37,740
the whole discussion

1847
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,470
a lot of control here yes boost

1848
01:58:41,730 --> 01:58:45,390
yeah curio caster 2222 And he
says hosting services should get

1849
01:58:45,390 --> 01:58:48,450
the V for V payments some other
way if they need a fee they

1850
01:58:48,450 --> 01:58:49,620
should charge the Creator

1851
01:58:50,820 --> 01:58:55,410
There you go yeah all all that's
the next conversation we'll have

1852
01:58:55,950 --> 01:58:58,440
we're gonna stick with Hey, we
kind of made it through this

1853
01:58:58,440 --> 01:59:04,830
one. Yeah, let's Yeah, I think
we I had to add an entire page

1854
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,800
of notes of stuff to talk about
we talked about one thing is

1855
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:10,290
what else did you have? I'm
sorry. Let's get through the

1856
01:59:10,290 --> 01:59:11,280
booster Graham. So we do

1857
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:16,260
2222 from Georgia. Oh, George
Orwell boosted us. Oh.

1858
01:59:17,940 --> 01:59:22,680
How does that work? Okay, what
did he say? A sentence 2222 I

1859
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,920
guess maybe that's an animal
farm boost. And bass says here's

1860
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:32,460
my weekly boost. Gross. Gross,
gross jus Nederland creatures

1861
01:59:32,460 --> 01:59:34,290
I'd natal on greetings from

1862
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:40,680
okay, I get to practice that.

1863
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:48,030
We get 3690 from Cat Cat spielen
nice drunk. New drunk. Drunk.

1864
01:59:48,630 --> 01:59:50,010
This is this this

1865
01:59:52,830 --> 01:59:57,300
20 to 22 SATs from George Orwell
again. Yeah, no note, and he

1866
01:59:57,300 --> 01:59:59,910
says 100 as 150 SATs from James
Cridland.

1867
02:00:00,659 --> 02:00:04,529
He says Enjoy enjoying listening
to you focus on fountain various

1868
02:00:04,529 --> 02:00:10,739
100 150 Come on James. Well, I
boost that guy 5000 That a pop

1869
02:00:10,739 --> 02:00:12,359
and he's boosting us 150

1870
02:00:14,490 --> 02:00:18,720
means send us 100 says through
breeze and he just says thanks.

1871
02:00:18,750 --> 02:00:23,640
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you
very much. And comic strip

1872
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:29,280
blogger, the delimiters send us
15,033 sets through fountain and

1873
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:33,240
he says Howdy, Dave and Adam. I
understand you're angry at high

1874
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:37,590
car fuel prices. But war in
Ukraine is real not computer

1875
02:00:37,590 --> 02:00:41,130
generated video game. Evil
Russians are bombing and firing

1876
02:00:41,130 --> 02:00:45,060
missiles at Ukraine anyways. I
invite your audience to our

1877
02:00:45,060 --> 02:00:48,360
podcast about artificial
intelligence, spoken by Gregory

1878
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,510
William Forsythe Foreman
forgiving really interesting

1879
02:00:51,510 --> 02:00:55,290
that guy's great. Just enter in
your web browser or any podcast

1880
02:00:55,290 --> 02:00:59,640
app AI dot cooking. Yo, Joe,
thank you.

1881
02:01:01,230 --> 02:01:06,330
Boost. Thank you very much
blogger, Nick as the master of

1882
02:01:06,330 --> 02:01:10,500
the non sequitur. And it's
really and I have to say about

1883
02:01:10,500 --> 02:01:11,610
comic strip blogger.

1884
02:01:13,470 --> 02:01:18,450
He has been around every single
business model we've tried. I

1885
02:01:18,450 --> 02:01:20,850
remember back when we had pod
show, I think he actually posted

1886
02:01:20,850 --> 02:01:25,650
about this. He was the first to
buy ads for other podcasts on a

1887
02:01:25,650 --> 02:01:33,660
podcast that accepted ads. Yeah,
so he has only one once it was

1888
02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:38,820
you know, Bitcoin came into play
and Satoshi is you know, he's

1889
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:43,230
he's been a really it's this is
very uncommon for him in general

1890
02:01:43,230 --> 02:01:45,870
but whenever there's something
new and he's always someone that

1891
02:01:45,870 --> 02:01:50,010
helps to tries to help launch
something and I give him a lot

1892
02:01:50,010 --> 02:01:53,670
of credit for that. Oh yeah, for
sure. Yeah, that's jumping in

1893
02:01:53,670 --> 02:01:56,250
there and willing to take arrows
and I sometimes still want to

1894
02:01:56,250 --> 02:02:00,150
smother his face with the pillow
but I really do really

1895
02:02:00,150 --> 02:02:03,510
appreciate and I say that with
love and he understands that I

1896
02:02:03,510 --> 02:02:03,900
hope

1897
02:02:05,490 --> 02:02:07,410
with love with with

1898
02:02:09,570 --> 02:02:15,780
monthly pay pals, we got Dwayne
Goldy $8 Paul airs doing $11.14

1899
02:02:15,780 --> 02:02:21,540
Thank you, Charles current $5
Michael Gagan $5 James Sullivan

1900
02:02:21,540 --> 02:02:28,950
$10 Christopher reamer $10 Sean
McCune $20 Cohn glotzbach $5,

1901
02:02:29,580 --> 02:02:33,990
Jordan Dunnville $10 In pod
news, $50 he's making up for the

1902
02:02:35,460 --> 02:02:36,870
pathetic boost. Nice.

1903
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:41,610
Hey, we'd like to make up for
the pathetic droopy boost sound

1904
02:02:41,610 --> 02:02:45,150
that we played for you. That's
our group. Thanks, everybody. I

1905
02:02:45,150 --> 02:02:48,060
appreciate it. Really, really
appreciate it. You can also

1906
02:02:48,060 --> 02:02:53,220
support us, I didn't check the
tally coin my mistake. To see

1907
02:02:53,220 --> 02:02:56,460
how that's doing. You can go to
podcast index.org. Go to the

1908
02:02:56,490 --> 02:02:59,940
scroll down to the bottom you'll
see a big red donate button. You

1909
02:02:59,940 --> 02:03:03,120
can use that to send us your
Fiat fun coupons. We do accept

1910
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:07,380
them, we do like them. But we
prefer of course, on chain or

1911
02:03:07,380 --> 02:03:10,830
through one of the new podcast
apps, which you can find at new

1912
02:03:10,830 --> 02:03:14,280
podcast apps.com. Let me just
see real quick if we got

1913
02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:14,940
anybody.

1914
02:03:16,740 --> 02:03:21,690
Last one was the 18th of June.
And you know, if you do

1915
02:03:21,690 --> 02:03:24,360
something, leave your name
there. So the 18th of June

1916
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:27,870
there's no name, but it was
78,795 SATs.

1917
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,740
I wonder what that was? Wow,
that was no whoever that was,

1918
02:03:31,740 --> 02:03:34,950
thank you, we appreciate that.
But no, for real.

1919
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:40,290
This is I feel good about the
value that we're receiving. We

1920
02:03:40,290 --> 02:03:42,600
really appreciate it and that's
how you should feel when you

1921
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:47,700
send it whatever it is you send,
it can be 5 million sets or 500

1922
02:03:47,700 --> 02:03:50,790
sets. If it's value to you,
that's all that counts. We

1923
02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:54,630
appreciate it equally because
somehow once the system was

1924
02:03:54,630 --> 02:03:58,350
running once once the flywheel
spinning that kind of all evens

1925
02:03:58,350 --> 02:04:03,120
out there's no get rich quick in
podcasting in value for value,

1926
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:06,600
but over time, you can actually
make it and you cannot just say

1927
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,450
trust me on that because I've
done it and I continue to do it.

1928
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:12,480
So thank you very much to
everybody for that really

1929
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:13,200
appreciate it.

1930
02:04:14,700 --> 02:04:17,670
Alright, so I've I've been I've
been tweaking the audio or going

1931
02:04:17,670 --> 02:04:21,510
along I'm a little happier I
guess at this point I can't tell

1932
02:04:21,510 --> 02:04:24,960
anymore I can you probably can't
either. Now I'm so used to it

1933
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:27,390
now we've been we've been
drinking wine and running with

1934
02:04:27,390 --> 02:04:32,460
scissors it's this I know more
senses no none at all. What else

1935
02:04:32,460 --> 02:04:34,380
was on your list? Dave I'm sure
there's something we need to

1936
02:04:34,380 --> 02:04:35,550
talk about before we go

1937
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:40,980
in I don't know if we get
anything that's short is that

1938
02:04:40,980 --> 02:04:44,310
they is the thing is
everything's kind of want to

1939
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:47,040
give me the list. So I have it
in my head and then I'll know

1940
02:04:47,070 --> 02:04:51,150
I'll remember as well for the
next show. Show social interact

1941
02:04:51,150 --> 02:04:54,570
tag is it okay to proceed yet.
YouTube podcasting list of top

1942
02:04:54,570 --> 02:04:58,830
podcasts? How many are even on
YouTube? Podcasting? 2.0 now I

1943
02:04:58,830 --> 02:05:00,000
can't talk about that. That's

1944
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,650
That's, I'm gonna hit you with
something next week. Yeah, this

1945
02:05:04,650 --> 02:05:05,340
is gonna be fun.

1946
02:05:07,140 --> 02:05:11,460
We have secrets. Yeah, no, no it
will be all will be revealed.

1947
02:05:11,970 --> 02:05:15,780
Okay, anchor getting the boot.
And then I have a bunch of

1948
02:05:15,780 --> 02:05:19,380
things below that John cIgi
soundbite Creator tool cancelled

1949
02:05:19,380 --> 02:05:21,990
Netflix and audio subscript
audible subscriptions Chris

1950
02:05:21,990 --> 02:05:25,080
Fisher boosting private feed
Spotify political ads these that

1951
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,290
update frequently, like 55 a 10,
partial word search in the

1952
02:05:28,290 --> 02:05:32,040
search in points and metadata
update endpoints. Holy crap. How

1953
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,860
could you not tune into the
show? This is fantastic.

1954
02:05:35,220 --> 02:05:39,360
Everybody must return for next
Friday. Okay, yeah. Do we have a

1955
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:43,320
guest we have a guest next
Friday. We do we have Steven D.

1956
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Gah. Oh, okay. Well, I'm sure
I'm gonna put him for 20% in the

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value block.

1958
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We'll get some will argue about

1959
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we'll talk about everything we
talked about today. Again, no,

1960
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we're not gonna do that. We're
not we're not gonna do that. But

1961
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I'm I hope you don't mind
because I it certainly felt good

1962
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for me just to walk through it
and just to you're a good guy

1963
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Dave. You don't get pissed off
like other partners I have

1964
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I've told Alex this before. I'm
cursed by herbs of sanely thick

1965
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skin for some reason. Just
things just don't bother me.

1966
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This is why it's perfect baby
ebony and ivory. This is good. I

1967
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love it.

1968
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That video so how many times in
the world how many times over

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and over? Did you play that
video? Not as many as

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Whitesnake. Here I go again or
living on a prayer from Bon Jovi

1971
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or New Kids on the Block. I
think I played those were not by

1972
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:48,600
choice. Two of those three are
horrible. Yeah. Which one? Which

1973
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one did you like? I like
Whitesnake, but the other two

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were bad.

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Ah, yes, there it is. Everybody.
This is the board meeting

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podcasting. 2.0 we return next
Friday. Join us we'll chat.

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We'll do it live. Take care
everybody bye.

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