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podcasting 2.0 for May 13 2020
to Episode 85 Lose the room

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and we are lips.

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It means the live item tag is in
effect finally, more about that

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in a moment. Hello everybody.
Welcome to podcasting 2.0 The

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official board meeting for
podcasting 2.0 we discuss the

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podcast namespace, the podcast
standards, everything happening

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at podcast index dot social. And
we got a guest today I'm Adam

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curry here in the heart of the
Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama. He parses feeds faster
than pod paying my friend on the

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other end, ladies and gentlemen,
say hello to Mr. Dave Jones.

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What up? You know, QA? Do you
know that

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QA QA? Yeah. Isn't my cousin
like short for cousin?

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Yeah, that's right. Yeah. What
up? What up? Yeah, when you have

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me have an 18 year old who's
stuff in your house with a broke

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leg? You? You get a lot of
unscheduled together time with

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dad. Yeah. And, you know, I'm
learning all the lingo.

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Oh, okay. Now, I was gonna ask
you about this. Do you Lord this

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over him in a way kind of like,
you know, once in a while just

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to remind him that he's that
he's a shit kid. I mean, do you

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just say hey, by the way, you
know, look what I'm doing for

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you. Yeah.

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I don't not not that angle. I
take more the angle if you're at

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my mercy. And

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it's excellent. It's just little
parenting insider stuff. It's,

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it's fun for parents to do.

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It don't get cute.

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Um, and so second attempt at
using all of the live item tag

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the lit infrastructure for our
for our board meeting today.

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Instead of shitshow this was a
live show, because this is this

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was a mess. Yeah, like 3030
minutes of pre show, fiddling

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around with forces feed caches.
And like there was it was fun

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because like, in my mind, I'm
envisioning Adam and Mitch. Like

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with those big like we those big
stone wheels from medieval times

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with the with a big with a
humongous set of scissors to

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sharpen in the head sharpening.

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sharpening stone that spins
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your head down sparks flying
everywhere. You know, just

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firing up some scissors.

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Why don't we bring Mitch in
right away, man because he we've

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already been talking to him for
half an hour trying to get all

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this stuff. Right. So you should
know him as the master behind

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pod verse. Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to the board meeting.

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Mitch Downey.

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Hey, what's up, fellas? Fellas?
High gave me a hard time for

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guys last time. Yeah.

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I appreciate that. Yeah, QA.
What? UPCA?

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Yeah, long time no talk, Mitch,
except from just a few minutes

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ago, when then when the
craziness went down? I mean, are

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we live now? Do we wait now
we're

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definitely live. And actually,
Mitch, you've been at you and

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Steven B have been on the
forefront of this of this lit

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stuff, the live item tag. And
and you have some other I mean,

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I don't really understand even
what what, what the pod verse

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life paying and notification is
doing. But we're certainly not

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doing it right here. And part of
that as part of that is because

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I use sovereign feed. And and,
you know, that outputs an RSS

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file that I then put on the
server. And that's a a custom

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made content delivery network
that was not really intended for

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a lot of changes in files to be
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which is because of the massive
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deliver several times a week. So
you know, there's all kinds I

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presume, would you say? That's
right, Dave? That's why he's why

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it's all complicated. Because

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yeah, yes. Like the end, the NA,
the no agenda network. CDN is

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tuned, over many years of trial
and error to handle over a

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million downloads of traffic
within a few hours. Yeah, like

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within you. It wants to be able
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downloads, you know, within just
a span of like an hour. Yeah.

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And so the way the the caching
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what I'm understanding, because
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way back when he first started
setting up like varnish and the

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way the caching works. I was
helping him out a little bit and

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we were fiddling with some stuff
and in trying to get all this to

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work and I think he just tuned
it very specifically to be

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aggressively cached so that it
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not really

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helpful. I'm really how quick
testing. Yeah, but the problem

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is I have to have Have my RSS
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Because when I didn't? Well, you
saw the bandwidth bills.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was, you
know, it's a nightmare. But you

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know what, what we could do,
though. Okay. What we could do

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is and now I was thinking about
this in light of sovereign feeds

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with with the new web hook
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which

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is already being implemented. Uh
huh. So by the answer show, do

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it FTP. Yeah, you

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tell me that. Yeah. Do you know
about this, Mitch? Did you see

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that? No, I don't. Yeah. So
sovereign faces. Steven has it

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coded up where sovereign feeds
when you publish a change, it

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will deliver the entire feed in
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URL of your choosing. So you can
have it just rather than having

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to generate the feed, save it to
a file, copy and paste it or

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upload it to a CDN, you just set
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hook and they can just drop it
where it needs to go. When you

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hit publish, very

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sexy. Yeah, that'd be great. We

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need automated tools. Yeah,

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yeah, that was that would solve
a lot of stuff right here. And

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you know, the cache busting
things is my own personal issue.

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But go ahead and

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this the issue is definitely
cash I would say based on the

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looks of it, the this is a good
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is a challenge we need to solve
that. Typically, an RSS feed you

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don't need instantaneous updates
from King is usually a good

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thing, right? But for live
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within the RSS and using pod
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also force all the clients that
are going to pull from it to get

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that that latest version. So we
did have successful tests with

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behind the schemes and ball
after ball earlier this week. Oh

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yeah,

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no, I different sir Spencer's in
the chat gone. I know this

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works. It all works. You guys
just don't know what you're

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doing. Okay, Boomer.

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See what the higher Spencer
consultant is? Yes,

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we do it. Here's the login you
do it? Yeah, that's actually not

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a bad idea. You know, sometimes
I'm so tired after after longer

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shows I make dumb mistakes. And
when you make a dumb mistake on

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the on the RSS feed, it's
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This is something that I need to
talk to Alex about. Because we

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know the caching thing has come
up before we've discussed it.

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And I'm thinking that we may
want to change the spec, the

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live or the status change spec
within pod paying to maybe put

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in put in a URL parameter or
something at the end of the

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cache buster.

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Well, I check your phone if you
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And do

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so tell us about this part.
Mitch, so pod verse now has

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actual notifications popping up.
When when your favorite podcast

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goes live? Yeah, we

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added notifications both for new
episodes, which is a very

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commonly requested feature and
now with live feeds, you know,

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live streams going live. And I
did just receive a notification

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on my phone. This is live
podcasting. 2.0

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Yes, I'm seeing that in the chat
room now too. Cool.

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Awesome. Why am I not getting
it? I wonder if it's this phased

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rollout or something?

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Right. And so I know curio
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me yet. So that's, you know,
that can just be brave caching.

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You know, caching is good and
bad. Yeah. We'll figure this is

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really good and bad. Yes.

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If people go to pi.

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I got it. Even says on air. Oh,
cool.

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Hell yeah.

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Nice. I still don't have it yet.
I wonder if you know if sorry.

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No, that's, that's on the
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Oh, sweet. So, Mitch, does the
does the bad thing. I'm running

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the beta and testflight? Does it
have separate notification

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settings? Do you know on iOS?

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I hope everyone's following
along and going, you know, dude,

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what are these dudes do and talk
about stuff? You're just playing

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on your phone? Yeah, this is
crazy. Okay. So that works.

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That's very cool. Mitch.
Fantastic. Steven V. Fantastic.

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I love this. And I'm gonna throw
out another challenge. Speaking

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of Alex gates for the board
meeting in the board meeting

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only. I just bought this
fantastic camera for because I

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do so many The podcast
interviews my my lovely wife

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finally said to invest in
something gets this you look

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like crap. And good for her.
Yes. And so I got this. What is

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it? Bob's bought? So it tracks
and you know, so if you move to

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the left or the right, it's
suddenly kind of moves with your

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head motion can follow you
around the room but it's very

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small works really well I'm
extremely happy with it for K

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fantastic. I want to stream at
least my end video during the

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board meeting more over the
shoulder so you can see what I'm

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doing then me because that would
just be annoying to me.

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You're gonna you're gonna

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I want to I want to broadcast
video. Through no agenda tube.

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I want that to go live.

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Your brains? Man.

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I have to do it because I gotta
get stuff set up for Mo.

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True is chomping at the bit,
man? You gotta dive in at some

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point.

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See, Mike? Yeah, that's why
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what I'm doing than me because
the Tourette's? Yeah, the AI

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just goes crazy. He doesn't know
how to follow me. Now if they

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could make a camera that would
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so it didn't look like I had
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would be very cool.

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That is that would be that would
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Well, we're ready to add video
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blocker for that is that we
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Right. So that's, that's why I
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will tell me what I need to do
what I need to get. And we'll

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figure this out. We should be
testing this, we should be

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moving this forward. And this is
the place to do it. And I'll

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have a big shiny pair of
scissors here on the desktop.

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So, Mitch, do you? Do you want
to walk and for the benefit of

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everybody who's listening to
this and has absolutely no idea

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what we're talking about? Do you
want to walk through the steps

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that happened to happen on the
backside now that now that you I

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would like to hear use, like,
give the linkage from step to

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step of what happens when
somebody goes live until the

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point where it gets a
notification on listeners

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phones, because you just what
you just went through all this

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getting set up with sending pod
pings and all that stuff. You

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want to take a crack at that.

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Sure thing. So if a podcaster
wants to share their live stream

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with every app, which is the
beauty of podcasting, you put it

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in an RSS feed and becomes
available everywhere. They need

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to add a new tag podcasting 2.0
tag called Live item to their

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feed. And then our servers parse
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normal. And when we find this
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live. What Oh, I missed this
step, pod Ping has to notify us

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that the live stream went live.
So pod paying sends a signal to

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us that tells us to parse the
feed. And then we shoot off

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notifications to every podcast
app that is subscribed to that

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live stream.

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Cool. Yeah. So that so Hey, on
the on the piping side, you got

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set up, I'm guessing, I don't
know if there's, I think Alex

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that you are not Brian, those,
they set you up with some hive

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posting keys. So you're not
you're not sending notifications

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through pod bean dot cloud,
because we are still on version,

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point 0.3 of pod paying format.
And the pod popping format. One

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dot O is needed for the live
notifications. So you got you've

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got the new hive watcher, excuse
me hive writer, script, and your

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own set of Hive posting key. So
you're writing directly to hive,

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huge help getting set up with

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this. So we have our own pod
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server. And so podcasters
currently go to our site and

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click Start live stream. And
that tells all podcasts apps

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that this podcast is going live.

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So what does that look like on
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Excuse me? Can I just ask a
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issue a pod ping but I
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yesterday's news. And so right
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you've created a modern New
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that alerts that goes to pod
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pod verse.

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Well, the apps who listen to pod
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okay, they just have to opt in
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I guess my free app and RSS so
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Right so my so my question is
right Now I can, you're

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graciously making this
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something that's available in
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live pod ping, other than the
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Correct?

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Correct. Okay. So sovereign
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RSS feeds for podcasters should
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and a drop down, like, here's my
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is going live now. Hit Save, and
then they should handle all this

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stuff on the back end, the user
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I have a question about your, in
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this stuff. And since you're an
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ask every app developer we're in
essence recreating YouTube. And

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I say that because in general,
podcasts that go live, the

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majority are live to YouTube, or
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know, Rumble other backups,
whatever they call them. And

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after that's done, and in our
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different. But with YouTube,
then it's, you know, after a

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while, it appears as, as the
uploaded, you know, the, you can

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replay it, you can watch it as
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has chat, and it has super chat,
which is booster grams that

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we're using. Haven't seen many
boosts by the way Hello. To me,

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I should open up helipad, make
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that in mind, and I don't know
if you agree with what I'm

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saying there. But that's kind of
how it feels to me that this

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will be used more for video, in
fact, I think is a YouTube

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killer with an open source
YouTube killer with stuff that

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we're doing. Have you considered
a UX or UI change for a live

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item? Versus the kind of
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View? Well, right now we fit it
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of episode, but we make sure
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and is prominently there. That
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fitted in to what we have
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hypothetically, we could start
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could be exclusively live
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know, select only that data for
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some. Yeah, that I mean,

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well, that that so that
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of walked into my trap. I wasn't
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that brings up another thing. I
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Oh, yeah, I just talked to Bumi.
And yeah, the German Gomorrah,

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it's Wednesday,

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right? To lovely German guys. I
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guys, they're lovely. They are
so close to basically having,

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you know, a wallet for everybody
to easily use with, you know, a

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web based version of any podcast
app, once they can, once they

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identify, you know, so right now
the identify the, what do you

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call it? The, the address, the
lightning address, and so they

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understand, you know, they give
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they if they see it on a page
with a little lightning bolt,

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then the extent the extension
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so you can you could do the
payment information pops up

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immediately. I presume that if
we gave them away to within with

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whatever, you know, HTML or code
that you put into your page, an

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identifier so they could pull up
the value block from the from

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the index piece API, then they
could in essence become an you

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know, we could onboard a lot of
people who already have an lb.

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Wallet, right into podcasting.
2.0. Does that make sense?

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So if we integrate with lb,

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which would just be as simple on
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information in the file. So
right, just we don't have to

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code anything complicated. You
literally just take some V four

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v tag information, right
embedded in your page. And then

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their browser extension can grab
that information. And when you

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pop open the browser extension,
it'll just say, Hey, do you want

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to send to this podcast?

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So this is exciting to me?
Because you remember, although

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I'm still digging into the
numbers, you might remember 40%

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of women listen to podcast just
on the website. Yeah. What an

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opportunity. And I'll just say
it again. It is my belief that

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podcast apps have an incredible
opportunity to deliver

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beautifully designed home pages.
And I would I would give you a

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split in my valuable Lock for
that. Because all the other

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pages that generate a homepage
and an episode page for RSS

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feeds, they're all 1.0. It's
like in the buttons for for

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iTunes and all that shit stuff I
don't want, you know, I want it

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to be modern, I want it to, you
know, all of that should go away

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or be done in a different way.
And I would pay for that I would

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I put a split in for it for
those services. And if that

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could then automatically detect
an lb wallet, big win.

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Yeah, well, I need to know more
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for that. But this LD solution
will be easy for anybody to add

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to any page. So you know, this
wouldn't just be limited to

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that, that like, I don't know,
like feature page that you're

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describing. I mean, this could
go on anybody who wants to

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enable podcasts and 2.0 value
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I love that. I really do. I
think that's it for some reason,

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because they do key sem just got
I got really excited by it. And

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I was like, Okay, this would be
an excellent way to just expose

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more people to what we're doing.
So I want to welcome the lb lb

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guys to, you know, to the group.

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They really are here.

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Yes. No, no, we love them.
Exactly.

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So you said I'll be does
lightning but yeah, just key

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send mean keys. And I'm sorry,
but yeah. Send not receive send.

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Oh, send? Okay, so yeah, so
we're, because that was what I

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was about to say we. So I went
down the rabbit hole of working

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with Roy.

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Good because I started with Roy
about this. And then and he was

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explaining to me and said, well,
it can be done. And I was like,

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Man, you should talk to Dave. So
you guys connected on this.

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Yeah, it's funny because I
didn't even know that you were

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talking to him. And I was doing
this in sort of independently.

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We take baby we've been married
for so long, you know that we

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think the same

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thing. Now we're gonna you know,
those old old couples have been

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married for like 40 years, it
started to look a lot. Oh, yeah,

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is that I'm gonna start getting
killer hair really quick. Okay.

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But the US like I was talking to
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you and then started and then I
went and posted an issue about

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this because the lightning
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Ellen URL, the lightning address
part of Ellen URL or with

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layered on top of it is great.
But it doesn't let you in the

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background what it does when you
go to when you take a well,

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let's see. Let us go to
lightning address real quick.

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Lightning address is basically
in it looks like an email

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address. So you'd have like Dave
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then what you do is you take in
we talked about this with Oscar

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last week, you take that thing
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and flip it around and then go
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Right? Right, right. HTTP as you
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wallet.com/dot Well dash known
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URL P

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B. That's that's the tricky
part. Are ln URL P for ln URL?

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Pe? Yeah, that's the part that
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it's not quite as simple hooking
up to your own node.

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Yeah, because when you go
through that same what's

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happening on the back end is the
URL in your is l and URL is

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generating an invoice. Yep. And
giving it back on that URL. So

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what what's needed is a way for
there to be is it for, for those

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well known URLs to be resolved,
and then give you back a static,

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very much like a value block.
Just give you back a set of

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static payment. information. So
we're working through that on

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the telegram group, Roy and the
guys in there, I'm not I've just

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met these guys, I'm not super
familiar with what all roles

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they play. But they what, what
it is looking like is there's

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going to be instead of instead
of just my original proposal,

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which was taking in adding the
static payment information as an

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alt as part of the object return
for the URL and URL p. Now,

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what's going to happen is
there'll be an alternative dot

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well known URL scheme. So you'll
have a that day that podcaster

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wallet.com will become podcaster
wallet.com/dot. Well known slash

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key send slash DAVE Yes,
exactly. That's what you want,

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that will hand back the static,
just a note, a name, a node

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address, and potentially custom
key custom value so that you can

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do routing to a custodial
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nailed down in, in, in, in
place, yeah, this gets a lot.

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Now listen to this next bit how
this shit all fits together.

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Alright, so I get the update
notification from Umbral. Right?

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And I'm always excited about
that. Like, let's see what they

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did, first of all want to see if
they've updated the helipad,

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which appears to have and then
there's always new apps. Well

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tie perfect. And what shows up
IPFS podcasting decentralized

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podcast distribution over IPFS.
And yeah, so we're so close to

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putting all these pieces
together. So it appears the way

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they do it is you create a
separate feed initially, to load

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everything into the IPFS
network. And then you you can

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use a a gateway for your regular
RSS feed. It sounds a little

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convoluted, but the way I what I
looked at their FAQ and there's

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there's no contact information.
I wish there was a guy wanted to

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get in touch with him. We'll
find him. I think this is the

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alternate enclosure use case.
Yeah. I mean, this makes so much

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sense. And it's right in the
umbrella. Now you get into

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something pretty interesting.
You're starting to put a nice

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little box together.

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Yeah. Now, what I see is a
humongous, like, truck size

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basket of scissors is what this
this is, this is more scissors

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than you would find at a Hobby
Lobby. I mean, we can't even get

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lost off the ground. Trying to
troubleshoot caching on IPFS

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I've been down the IPFS road. It
hurts. Well, bad.

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I think I'm gonna sharpen up a
pair. And I'm gonna I'm gonna

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take a walk down that road just
to see how it feels. I can't

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help myself.

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Mitch, do you? Do you know or
want or love or hate IPFS?

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I don't know much about it other
than conceptually that it's

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like, it's unsensible
distributed content.

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It's, it's like a DHT for files.
A humongous glugging global DHT

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for files. And then you can see
you can I couldn't tell you what

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DHT means? Like, yeah, yeah, I
approach things from more of a

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user experience. And then I like
cobbled together some code.

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This is good. So let me tell you
the user experience. I haven't

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Umbral and I'm actually thinking
heli pad does this heli pad pops

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up a different homescreen maybe
the first time it says you can

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podcast all right from this box
and has a link to sovereign

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feed. And then you record your
shit. And then you go to your

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browser with sovereign feeds and
then somehow it automatically

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uploads the mp3 file just
recorded from the computer

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you're on it puts it on your own
bro puts it on IPFS does a live

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pod pay whatever does all these
different things gets you all

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set up on the value block. Your
feed is immediately entirely 2.0

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enabled. Then there you have it
podcasting in a box with money

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washes your hair put some put
Julie on your feet. Yeah,

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I'm just telling you this is an
avenue and it's it's no

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different from Castor pod, just
different version different you

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know, different pieces actually.
All of this might fit in

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perfectly I don't know. I just I
and I agree with you about the

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IPFS stuff. We've had nothing
but heartache. But this is

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working for somebody somehow and
it feels like is it for the ICL

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for for I get the newsletter,
I'm always reading it. And for

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the IPFS diehards. I think it
works just as well as lightning

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does for us.

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Yeah, that's a good that's
actually a really good analogy.

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That's actually a pretty good
analogy because like yeah, if

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you get off your fence
newsletter, the world's great

440
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:49,440
yeah. Holman. I mean, people you
know, people are landing on the

441
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,980
moon It's

442
00:29:50,010 --> 00:29:52,650
also well, it's not that
different. If you look at the

443
00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:54,900
lightning labs, PR releases, you
know,

444
00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:58,110
you just ignore the all the
failed payments and just keep

445
00:29:58,110 --> 00:29:58,950
moving on. Yeah,

446
00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:02,040
we're gonna work I have a
beautiful world, we're going to

447
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,050
be transporting stablecoin Oh,
that'd be backed by Luna by any

448
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,870
chance because that's worth
nothing now.

449
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:16,350
Can you please explain to me
what? What happened? I know you

450
00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:19,530
understand it more than I do.
Because what means there's some

451
00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:23,700
stable coin that went from like
a buck apiece down to zero. What

452
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:24,600
happened this week?

453
00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:30,420
Okay. Roy and I even talked
about this and Roy's like, I

454
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:31,950
don't know. Okay, thanks, Roy

455
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,200
makes me feel better, because I
don't know he's

456
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:39,840
so stable coins. The idea is
they're pegged to a fiat

457
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,830
currency, which means, instead
of selling your as an example,

458
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,940
if you wanted to buy, you've got
Bitcoin, you want to buy some

459
00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:51,420
ether. Now you can do a direct
trade, but maybe you just want

460
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:54,150
to keep it in dollars for a bit
because the market, if you're a

461
00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:56,280
trader, this is all about
trading stuff, if the markets

462
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,620
volatile, or there are other
scenarios for stable coins, then

463
00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:05,520
you can exchange it for a stable
coin, which will be just like $1

464
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,170
Only, there's no, there's no
possibly no capital gains, hey,

465
00:31:10,170 --> 00:31:12,900
there's all kinds of reasons to
kind of keep it in this digital

466
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:17,160
realm. And the ideas, the stable
coin is about $1, it might be

467
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:24,750
99.9999 for a minute, and some
actually will go 1.01. And this

468
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:28,830
is done in many ways. But the
most important thing is it has

469
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:33,600
to be backed by something in
case people want to cash out the

470
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,090
stable coin into dollars. So
typically, that's done by huge

471
00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:43,920
hedge fund type deals, they've
got billions of dollars. And,

472
00:31:43,950 --> 00:31:46,710
you know, they may in which they
may have some, this is the this

473
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,910
was the problem with the tether,
you know, some may be backed by

474
00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:56,190
some securities and not just
pure cash. And then there's ways

475
00:31:56,190 --> 00:32:01,920
that they can manage the supply
of the stable coin, to keep that

476
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,390
peg in place. So they're doing
it by expanding or contracting

477
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,790
the supply as far as I
understand.

478
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,740
And who is de is that the,

479
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:19,380
the company that owns the stable
coin. So in, in us t Tara USD

480
00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:25,110
the stable coin, it was backed
by Luna, which was a, you know,

481
00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:34,530
another altcoin I won't use the
S word. And something happened,

482
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:40,470
because the Luna as far as I
understand, there was backing of

483
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:45,270
the Luna by Bitcoin. So when
Bitcoin started to go down, they

484
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:48,510
couldn't really liquidate fast
enough or enough to have enough

485
00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:54,210
cash to prop up the the Luna
coin. And on top of that, the

486
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:58,560
Terra the the way they manage
their supply. So basically

487
00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:01,800
minting new tokens or burning
them, destroying them was

488
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:06,510
algorithmically done. So they
had an algo that was supposed to

489
00:33:06,510 --> 00:33:10,170
keep this going and something
happened. And we'll find out

490
00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:15,390
eventually, in general, though,
this has far reaching

491
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:20,520
consequences. It's not really a
laughing matter. And stable coin

492
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,270
by itself, in my opinion, needs
to be regulated or outlawed

493
00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:28,110
because it's really inflationary
to the US dollar. I mean, it's

494
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:31,050
okay with me from a Bitcoin
perspective. Go ahead, you know,

495
00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:34,080
create more eventually, we'll
see what happens in the end. I

496
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,870
have my beliefs, but I don't
think that's really a good thing

497
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:41,010
for the US dollar. So that
explained anything. Did that

498
00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:42,060
explain anything?

499
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:46,260
Yeah, no, that explained it
perfectly. Janet Yellen. Agree.

500
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:46,590
And I,

501
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:50,100
and I couldn't be yes, it was a
board needed attack to,

502
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,490
like, also possible. Yeah,
that's also possible. Somebody

503
00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:53,730
may

504
00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:57,330
have accumulated all of this and
then deliberately dumped it on

505
00:33:57,330 --> 00:34:01,350
the market. And that, then the
Peg, Yeah, value with other

506
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:04,170
assets could hold anymore. And
that just became cascading

507
00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:08,280
failure, down to, I think, point
0003 cents right now.

508
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:11,790
Yeah. And we're gonna see more
of these horrible things happen

509
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:17,460
as across the board. I mean, I'm
a believer, I hear the World

510
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:20,400
Economic Forum. They say the
great reset, I believe them

511
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,440
because there's been too much
that's happening that makes

512
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,720
sense in that regard. And when
Apple lost 20% This week, okay,

513
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,480
that was the last company that
really was holding on to

514
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,440
something. So we're going into
some form of negative economic

515
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:40,170
spiral, or perhaps a recession,
who knows? And it's all just

516
00:34:40,170 --> 00:34:44,190
terms, but the cheap money is
gone. And that's what happens

517
00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:48,030
when the Federal Reserve raises
interest rates. So that's what

518
00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:51,360
slows down house prices because
No, I got a mortgage at just

519
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,180
under 3%. Now you can't get one
under five.

520
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:57,750
Then that happened quick. That
happened very, very.

521
00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:03,120
The 10 year The interest rate
has doubled in just four months.

522
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,120
I mean, so there's a lot going
on. But what that mainly means

523
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:11,220
is that no more cheap money, no
more cheap money means, well,

524
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:15,810
where do you see it happen
first? Netflix? Why? Because

525
00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:18,450
they could just get all the
cheap money because shit was

526
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:21,090
just growing. And then when the
economy slows down a little bit

527
00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:23,700
as people start to make choices,
particularly when the markets

528
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,640
saturated, well, you know,
Netflix hasn't really done all

529
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,240
that much for me, I like Marvel
Cinematic Universe, so I get my

530
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:35,280
Disney plus, and maybe I'll have
Hulu. I'm not, I don't think

531
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:38,460
that people will easily go back
to the advertise the

532
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:41,850
interruptive advertising model,
which is, in fact, Netflix's

533
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:44,580
strategy to get out of this,
because people have been

534
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:49,350
spoiled. So not only is it
money, that's cheap like that,

535
00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:53,010
but money that's cheap for
companies, for marketing, that's

536
00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:55,950
the first place your money
always gets cut. The budgets are

537
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:59,280
always cut in marketing,
advertising, advertising,

538
00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:02,310
everything. And I know a lot of
people in advertising and

539
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,160
marketing, they're they're
firing entire teams, because the

540
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,880
clients are cutting back
budgets. And then so you've I

541
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,460
mean that now you see the
spiral. Now you got people out

542
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:14,430
of work, and all these things
started to happen. So when I

543
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:18,900
also hear about some magical
number of podcast advertising

544
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,460
being at $1.4 billion over 22
years, I'm sorry, there's a

545
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:29,370
couple things one, where's the
money going? Who's getting this?

546
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:35,070
I mean, I Heart Radio 65
million. Okay, that's not even

547
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:39,300
near a portion of the big money.
And I think most of this is

548
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,750
just, it's, I mean, I'd have to
really delve into the numbers,

549
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:47,280
but I don't believe that there's
$101.4 billion roaming around

550
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,710
podcasting. And that 85% of that
is programmatic ad insertions. I

551
00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:56,490
just have a hard time believing
it. But regardless, it's a

552
00:36:56,490 --> 00:37:00,270
trailing indicator. It's a
trailing indicator of a

553
00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:06,030
different year. And I don't
think you're going to see good

554
00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:08,490
news coming out of podcasts is
going to be the first place

555
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:09,240
they'll cut.

556
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,890
I would like to companies

557
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:18,720
looking at Oh, sorry. No, no
hidden Mitch. I was gonna say

558
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:22,590
any large companies trying to
get into podcasting, seeing it

559
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:26,310
as a potential cash cow aren't
just in for disappointment.

560
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:27,000
That's another

561
00:37:26,999 --> 00:37:30,629
thing is no one's making any
profit. Spotify is not making

562
00:37:30,629 --> 00:37:33,119
profit, I Heart Radio, not
making profit, no one's

563
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:33,779
profiting.

564
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,250
Right. And what podcasting is
good for is, you as an

565
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:41,910
individual or a small group,
want to reach your audience

566
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:46,560
directly, as directly as
possible. And then you build a

567
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,340
relationship with them. And then
they, out of their own choice

568
00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:53,400
basically decide to support you
either through getting your

569
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,660
premium content may be able to
get advertisers involved, but

570
00:37:57,690 --> 00:38:02,160
the idea of a giant corporation
being able to make revenue to

571
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,860
their satisfaction, you know, as
publicly traded companies with

572
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:08,760
billions of dollars, I don't see
it happening. You know, Facebook

573
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,930
scrapped their plans after a
year. Yeah, those

574
00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:15,540
guys know that you they can't
make money with you can't

575
00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:18,060
monetize the network. They
figured it out real quick that

576
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:20,760
like, this is not going to work
for us. And it's going to be a

577
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,370
pain in the ass because
everyone's going after

578
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:26,460
podcasters because you know,
they're the disinformation the

579
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:28,080
mega disinformation giants.

580
00:38:28,649 --> 00:38:32,909
Well, this, this fits it. I'd
like to have the board's

581
00:38:32,909 --> 00:38:34,199
attention for a moment. Okay,

582
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,190
hold on a second. Dave Jones pod
sage has the talking stick.

583
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:42,750
Port a point of personal
privilege. I would like to speak

584
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:44,340
momentarily about brand safety.

585
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:47,850
brand safety is on the table so
seconded and move okay.

586
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:53,940
You know, the thing that Tom,
Tom Webster was interviewed on

587
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:59,040
pod land yesterday, and I heard
as a as a general rule, I don't

588
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,880
usually play potluck clips. But
I brought some today and I mean,

589
00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:07,380
Tom Webster. He seems like nice
dude. I've never met him but

590
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:10,920
none of this is a criticism with
him. I mean, he's seems like a

591
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,170
fine guys ad, you know,
Advertising Research guy.

592
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,440
He's a radio guy. He's an old
time radio guy.

593
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:22,500
Yeah. So you know, you can go
into he's talking in this first

594
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,120
clip about hearing Todd Cochran
show for the first time and that

595
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:30,360
that's what attracted him
initially not Do you want to

596
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,820
explain who he is? He just can't
he was from Edison Research and

597
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,600
led a lot of their research
efforts on radio and podcasting

598
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,330
and I think other types of media
too but sure, those two for

599
00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:46,140
sure. And then he just left and
went over to join Brian

600
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:47,460
Barletta, which sounds
profitable.

601
00:39:47,789 --> 00:39:51,299
Now is sounds profitable. Is
Cridland, also a partner in

602
00:39:51,299 --> 00:39:51,599
that?

603
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,720
I don't really understand the
relationship. James will have to

604
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,940
explain that but I mean, I
thought they were all part of

605
00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:57,540
the same. That's

606
00:39:57,539 --> 00:40:00,239
what I thought too. I tried to
look the other day couldn't

607
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,899
figure it out.

608
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Yeah, it's, I mean, I think his
I think it all comes from the

609
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,500
same newsletter generator
because they all right, they all

610
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,620
have the same format. Right.
But, um, but I think sounds

611
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:17,790
profitable started as a as an
imprint of, of pod pod news.

612
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:23,760
Right? Yeah. But I could have
that all wrong. Anyway, he, you

613
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,000
know, he's, he's talking about
Todd Cochran show geek news,

614
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,180
central being way, way back
being the first show that he

615
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:33,960
heard, and what attracted him to
it in this first

616
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,290
clip? Yeah, it's geek News
Central podcast Hall of Famer,

617
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:40,170
Todd Cochran. I'm pretty sure
that was the first podcast that

618
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:42,270
I discovered, and it was really
early days, it's probably the

619
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:46,710
very end of 2004. And Todd was
just getting started. But he was

620
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,770
talking about things that you
weren't going to hear on

621
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,890
broadcast radio. And at that
time, a lot of my portfolio was

622
00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:53,940
broadcast radio, and

623
00:40:55,289 --> 00:40:58,739
yeah, so what what he's saying
brought, you know, interested in

624
00:40:58,739 --> 00:41:01,529
him and got him sort of hooked
into podcasting was this idea

625
00:41:01,529 --> 00:41:05,339
that what he heard, he's like,
I'm hearing stuff on podcast

626
00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:08,849
that you can't hear in
mainstream media. That was the

627
00:41:08,849 --> 00:41:12,239
thing that brought him in. And
that's the thing that brings a

628
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,469
lot of people in because you
feel like you're getting a

629
00:41:16,469 --> 00:41:21,929
chance to hear people as they
really are, or maybe views about

630
00:41:21,929 --> 00:41:26,279
things that you didn't get did
or more sanitized and curated on

631
00:41:26,279 --> 00:41:30,149
mainstream media. For a lot of
people. That's a big draw. And

632
00:41:30,149 --> 00:41:35,249
evidently, it was for him to and
that, then that leads them to

633
00:41:35,249 --> 00:41:42,089
this discussion of advertising
in that net prediction this

634
00:41:42,089 --> 00:41:45,509
week. That was like, I don't
know, but 2024 $44 billion.

635
00:41:46,919 --> 00:41:51,749
Yeah. So he's got he's what's
funny about this is he like, he

636
00:41:51,749 --> 00:41:54,119
totally walks away from that.
He's like, he's like, I'm not

637
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,479
touching that with a 10 foot
pole. It No, he, he's not going

638
00:41:57,479 --> 00:42:01,139
near that prediction. Instead,
instead, he starts talking about

639
00:42:01,139 --> 00:42:04,559
the barriers to money flowing
into podcasting and clip to

640
00:42:04,829 --> 00:42:09,119
talking of advertising. We're
getting to see the IAB

641
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,509
advertising the sixth annual
report saying that the next

642
00:42:12,509 --> 00:42:15,239
couple of years, certainly by
2024, we're going to see a four

643
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,049
fold increase in the revenues
from podcasting. Is that

644
00:42:19,049 --> 00:42:22,589
something that you will sing
Edison as well as that growth in

645
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,079
brands coming to podcasting,

646
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:28,889
it's still got a ways to catch
up. And I'm not a big

647
00:42:28,889 --> 00:42:32,609
forecaster, my career has been
based on describing the present

648
00:42:32,609 --> 00:42:36,029
day, as accurate as I can. So I
don't know that it's going to

649
00:42:36,029 --> 00:42:39,689
increase fourfold. I know that
won't happen by itself. And

650
00:42:40,019 --> 00:42:43,529
that's something that Brian and
I are going to be very focused

651
00:42:43,529 --> 00:42:47,609
on that sounds profitable, is to
remove as many obstacles as we

652
00:42:47,609 --> 00:42:51,089
can to those dollars getting
into podcasting, because right

653
00:42:51,089 --> 00:42:55,679
now, if you look at the dollars
flowing into podcasting, versus

654
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:59,279
the dollars flowing into
broadcast radio, and you compare

655
00:42:59,279 --> 00:43:03,179
the listening to the to
podcasting is still punching way

656
00:43:03,179 --> 00:43:06,719
below its weight I saw, I Hart's
revenues were announced this

657
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,319
week. And podcasting was I
think, 8% of their overall

658
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:13,049
revenue. Maybe that should be
higher, right. I don't think

659
00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:18,179
revenues are going up and radio.
So I think it will get there. I

660
00:43:18,179 --> 00:43:20,999
don't know the timeline that it
will get there, but it will get

661
00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:25,379
there when some of the obstacles
to monetizing all of podcasting,

662
00:43:25,469 --> 00:43:28,679
I think are removed and and the
way is smoothed.

663
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:38,640
Yeah. I see a lot of money going
into brands pod brand

664
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,360
podcasting. I wonder if that's
getting counted. I see like lots

665
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,760
of money going to sports
podcasting. Is that a fair

666
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,720
representation of adverts quote
unquote, advertising money going

667
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:56,160
into podcasting or as an
extension of a brand that as I

668
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,200
think you're pointing out, is
really not what a lot of people

669
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,380
like about podcasting because
it's an extension of an existing

670
00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:12,060
entertainment product in an in a
in the traditional system. Does

671
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:14,700
that makes sense? Dave? Muted
Dave.

672
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:23,940
Oh, um, that back crap. Pulled a
Mitch. Yeah. Sorry, Mitch. That

673
00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:24,120
was

674
00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:28,439
it. Just Just so you guys know.
I mean, the noise gate keeps out

675
00:44:28,439 --> 00:44:30,929
a lot. And we heard your dog
barking tape. It's okay. It's

676
00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:31,319
cute.

677
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,700
Oh, well, no, I agree. I mean,
this you're talking about like

678
00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:38,430
ESPN launches. 10 podcasts.
Well,

679
00:44:38,429 --> 00:44:42,209
even even the NBA has their own
podcast series, I believe.

680
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:45,150
Yeah, then so you then you're
selling to advertisers. You say

681
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:47,430
oh, you're gonna buy you're
gonna buy our TV you also have

682
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:48,450
to buy podcasts.

683
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,990
Yeah, that's that's how Spotify
does it with their deals. Well,

684
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:55,140
you know you have to buy Joe
Rogan if you want to even buy

685
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:56,460
anything on our network.

686
00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:01,530
You know, when the thing that I
started Thinking about actually

687
00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,600
turn the turn the interviewer
off started thinking about

688
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,960
because he talks about lowering
the barriers, that lowering the

689
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:13,290
obstacles to to money flowing
into podcasting. And

690
00:45:13,379 --> 00:45:15,089
some money just flowed into
podcasts.

691
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:22,230
And, and that's that got me
thinking, turn it off. I thought

692
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:24,360
about that for a minute. Because
that was that was an interesting

693
00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:30,810
description. And I think that we
have this, I think there's a

694
00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:33,660
milieu, the you know, your
favorite or your favorite word

695
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:43,230
now move you million of you that
these ideas that permeate our

696
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:47,580
frame of reference, or that
aren't really, they're rarely

697
00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:54,750
spoken, or sometimes not spoken
at all. But I hate to say taken

698
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:58,740
for granted. Because it's not,
it's not really a great phrase.

699
00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:02,280
But there's there are things at
work that we take for granted

700
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,760
that we take for granted and
become comfortable with as as an

701
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,170
ideas as a part of the ideas set
within the thing that we're

702
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:12,990
involved in. And podcasting is
no different. You know, it's

703
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:18,420
similar to something like
freedoms or something like free

704
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:23,520
speech. People within the quote
unquote free speech, community,

705
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:30,090
free speech zone, space, space,
free speech space, if free

706
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:31,590
speech absolutist

707
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:36,150
absolute Yes, yes. And people
who care about that I would

708
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:41,670
count myself as one of them. We
assumed things, like, one thing

709
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:47,160
you might assume is, is that
everyone who is is giving their

710
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:52,980
their ideas publicly believes
they're true, that that might be

711
00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:56,670
a thing that you share, and it
is unspoken, and we all just

712
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:00,540
sort of take it for granted. And
so then our frame of reference

713
00:47:00,570 --> 00:47:04,530
then becomes influenced by that
where we think okay out, because

714
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:09,360
we think that people are just
honestly trying to speak their

715
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,400
the thing that they think is
true. outlawing that thing is,

716
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:19,470
is unconscionable, because
you're criminalizing even though

717
00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:22,890
they might be wrong, you're
criminalizing being wrong. These

718
00:47:22,890 --> 00:47:29,190
things begin to they permeate
your, your, your your group or

719
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:36,240
your milieu, and did and then
you but they're not spoken out

720
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,790
loud. And I think that's
something similar is going on

721
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:42,600
here. Sort of like what goes in
and own in a newsroom where you

722
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,440
just sort of pick up over time
this, okay, you don't you don't

723
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,050
report on this sort of thing, or
you do report on this sort of

724
00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:51,990
thing. Or when you do report on
this thing. You you say these

725
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:52,470
phrases

726
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,820
or or anything that goes wrong
in the United States is Trump's

727
00:47:56,820 --> 00:48:01,950
fault. Yes. previous
administration. Yeah. And

728
00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:05,520
you say it out loud, you know,
in because everybody else is

729
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,320
doing it that way. is I think
something similar is going on?

730
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:14,670
Yes. I think that's rearranging
the deck chairs on the Titanic.

731
00:48:15,449 --> 00:48:20,609
Yeah, it's in what is the
unspoken thing is brand safety?

732
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:26,429
Yes. In the brand safety is the
obstacle that I think that he's

733
00:48:26,429 --> 00:48:30,149
talking about. And I'm not sure
that he even is aware that he's

734
00:48:30,149 --> 00:48:31,439
talking about that thing.

735
00:48:31,469 --> 00:48:36,209
Well, okay, so thank you for
bringing this up. All that money

736
00:48:36,209 --> 00:48:40,409
that is being spent on
podcasting is going into in many

737
00:48:40,409 --> 00:48:44,009
cases is going and this will
also start to dry up with the

738
00:48:44,009 --> 00:48:48,059
cheap, free money being free,
cheap to free money being gone.

739
00:48:48,059 --> 00:48:55,289
Now. There are some podcasts who
that cost $1,000 $2,000 $5,000

740
00:48:55,289 --> 00:49:01,409
to make. And the only way you
get that back is by assuming

741
00:49:01,769 --> 00:49:05,129
I'll use the password in this
case, assuming that there's

742
00:49:05,129 --> 00:49:08,519
going to be advertising for
that. And that may be for a few

743
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:13,049
shows. But it you know, I don't
care what the Obama said. I

744
00:49:13,049 --> 00:49:15,599
believe Spotify cut them loose
because they had no way to

745
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,469
monetize them. People just truly
were not interested in listening

746
00:49:19,469 --> 00:49:22,679
to what they had to say, or
those particular productions.

747
00:49:22,979 --> 00:49:26,249
I've never seen well in the very
beginning. Oh, it's number one.

748
00:49:26,459 --> 00:49:29,429
Michelle Obama's podcast but
then it was like, Oh, now every

749
00:49:29,429 --> 00:49:32,759
app can use it because you know,
it's important message no is

750
00:49:32,759 --> 00:49:35,489
because you needed reach for
your advertisers, which was tied

751
00:49:35,489 --> 00:49:39,779
in Downey or whatever. Sorry,
Mitch. Hey, are you related?

752
00:49:42,389 --> 00:49:44,819
We don't have any
advertisements. It's not us

753
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:46,110
pod verse pods.

754
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,030
So so there's this this very
typical Hollywood type vibe of

755
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,620
and I put Cleveland and you
know, the pod land and the

756
00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:58,530
Bartlett I put them all in that
kind of that category, because

757
00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:03,540
what they report on all day Ong
is big names, reasonably big

758
00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:07,230
names, big media companies
creating new podcasts, all kinds

759
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:11,490
of great different genres and in
all kinds of things that are not

760
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:13,800
cheap, because these people are
getting at least the host.

761
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,170
They're getting paid. There's
lots of money that's gone into

762
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:20,520
this. And what we see is no one
is profiting from it yet. So

763
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,560
they're in this flywheel of
look, I got a job now. And now I

764
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,450
don't know anyone's situation,
personally. But I just question

765
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:37,950
if, if you can keep creating
big, anything over $5 is big to

766
00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:40,230
me. You know what I mean?
That's,

767
00:50:40,259 --> 00:50:43,589
that's why I bring it that's why
I bring it up is because I feel

768
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:47,789
like I think that that is the
milieu that permeates through a

769
00:50:47,789 --> 00:50:52,769
lot of the podcasting press. And
so they they talk about these

770
00:50:52,769 --> 00:50:56,339
things with met, perhaps not
even realizing what's really

771
00:50:56,339 --> 00:50:59,579
going on under the surface. The
language is there.

772
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,579
And that's the only stuff that
will get any advertising is the

773
00:51:02,579 --> 00:51:07,559
completely brand safe, scripted,
be upfront presented. Everybody

774
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,559
know, this is grow. These are
very serious people. You know,

775
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,859
there's never going to be an F
bomb or something controversial

776
00:51:13,859 --> 00:51:16,559
and of course, that still
happened. See any show from

777
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:22,289
gimlet? Right. It's it's
unavoidable, and advertisers shy

778
00:51:22,289 --> 00:51:23,819
away from that you're so right.

779
00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:26,970
And here's the here's the
kicker. Let me bring it home. So

780
00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:32,790
clip three. He's Sam asked him a
question. He talked about the

781
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:36,780
bear removing the barriers in
the previous, his previous

782
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,830
statement. So Sam just says, you
know, what, what are the

783
00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:41,460
barriers?

784
00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:45,720
Yeah, I think there's tremendous
opportunity for programmatic

785
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,300
advertising in podcasting. And
right now it's getting it's

786
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,700
getting a bad rap. And it's
getting that for two reasons.

787
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:54,180
Number one, I think a lack of
understanding of what it can do.

788
00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:58,380
But also, I think, a lack of
execution, the programmatic got

789
00:51:58,410 --> 00:52:01,530
a lot better on things like
Facebook, your Facebook ads

790
00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:05,010
seven or eight years ago, were
absolutely terrible. And now I

791
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:07,920
don't think a week goes by that
I either don't buy or I'm

792
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,840
tempted to buy something I see
on Facebook.

793
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,449
So yeah, sorry. Yeah, no, yeah.
He says, he asked him, What are

794
00:52:15,449 --> 00:52:18,809
the barriers? And he says, he
starts talking about

795
00:52:18,809 --> 00:52:24,329
programmatic ads. That's an odd
jump to make, from what are the

796
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,780
barriers to political answer.
It's how politician answers

797
00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:29,070
stuff. Here's the

798
00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:31,380
mental job, let me map it out
for you. Here's the middle jump

799
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:36,450
advertising means it needs
increase, it means increased ad

800
00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:40,980
spending. This is how you get
this is how you remove barriers

801
00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:44,310
in your you increase ad spending
to bring more money into

802
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:48,480
podcasting, that requires
volume, because there's not

803
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,830
enough big shows to do it on
their own. Yep, that means

804
00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:57,840
selling to more small shows. The
only way to do that is with

805
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,580
programmatic. And that
inherently means brand safety

806
00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:05,880
concerns because you're buying
in volume across many, many,

807
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:11,190
many small shows. And that's the
barrier, that that mental

808
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:15,240
progression right there. That is
the barrier to ad dollars coming

809
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,310
into podcasting in the way that
they talk about it. That because

810
00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:23,400
you you have we're at the point
now where there's not enough big

811
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,110
shows to to sit to bring in the
big money. So you have to go

812
00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:33,900
volume. And that inherently
means brand danger. Yeah. And I

813
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:37,680
think that's what led that is
also behind him, again, maybe

814
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,800
not consciously what's going on
with like a cast announcing

815
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,430
their conversational targeting
and that kind of thing. This is

816
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:51,000
all about identifying, trying to
make programmatic better,

817
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,810
because that's how you target.
That's how you target the small

818
00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:58,740
1000s of small shows at once in
and try to do it in a way that

819
00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:02,670
doesn't kill your brand. That's
putting it next to bad stuff.

820
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,120
I just don't see them being
sincere not Not, not these guys

821
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,760
specifically. But the if there's
an industry, which I don't

822
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,580
believe I think there's just
apps, no industry, no podcast

823
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:17,640
industries apps. If they're
sincere about it, then why is it

824
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,580
still I mean, the transcripts
are the perfect way to get your

825
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:25,230
content context and maybe catch
some words or, or maybe unknown,

826
00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:29,340
there's, I've been told AI is
magic. So that should be able to

827
00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:32,460
be used, but there's no real
push towards the implementation

828
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:36,300
of transcripts, either. I'm not
even sure that you know, that

829
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:39,000
Amazon, wasn't Amazon going to
do that in the background and

830
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,310
then use that I don't think
anyone's doing it.

831
00:54:41,849 --> 00:54:45,989
Well, you know, the idea that
we're or that gets talked about

832
00:54:45,989 --> 00:54:49,169
is this idea of put putting
things into transcripts so that

833
00:54:49,169 --> 00:54:53,609
you can search for keywords to
sell against, but in that may be

834
00:54:53,609 --> 00:54:56,639
true to a certain extent, but I
think it's equally if not more

835
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,759
about identifying keywords to
avoid Yeah,

836
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,350
yeah. Yeah, exactly. weigh in
here. I like to say that up,

837
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:09,000
podcasts are shows you can
listen to in any app, that this

838
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,660
is what differentiates
podcasting from legacy media,

839
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:16,230
which is that legacy media had
to go through centralized

840
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:21,510
channels that have the authority
to release it or not release it

841
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:26,100
or censor it. And these large
brands prefer that safety,

842
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:29,370
because they have somebody they
can reach and make sure is

843
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:33,180
filtering the content that goes
out. So that's why these brands

844
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,840
go to that. But podcasting is
kind of the opposite of that.

845
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,350
It's it's RSS based, it's open
in nature. And so yeah, they're,

846
00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:46,560
they're not going to get what
they're looking for, from

847
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,970
podcasting, what they want are
exclusives, which really are

848
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:55,410
different from legacy media.
They want conclusive content

849
00:55:55,410 --> 00:56:00,120
that is with one brand that they
can talk to one company, and

850
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,540
they can negotiate or say, Hey,
you have to cut this content.

851
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:08,970
But that's not what podcasting
is. So, you know, I know they

852
00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:14,610
say we have podcasts, like on
Spotify, but in the traditional

853
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,930
sense of the word they don't, or
at least their exclusive content

854
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,890
is not truly a podcast. I mean,
it's no different in my opinion,

855
00:56:22,890 --> 00:56:27,840
than a Netflix series. If you
have exclusive show on Netflix,

856
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,370
why not just call that a podcast

857
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:32,460
to here's, here's the beautiful
thing, because history has

858
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:37,260
shown. And my favorite example
is always AOL, that you give

859
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:41,250
people a beautifully walled
garden, and it's all nice and

860
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:45,060
safe. And it's brand safe, and
it's good. And, you know, the PG

861
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:48,870
13 stuff is labeled, but you
give people a little opening and

862
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:52,560
say, but by the way, you know,
there's this internet over here

863
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,170
will give you a browser, but you
have to click on all these

864
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,530
dialogues and say I'm okay
because I might see porn or I

865
00:56:58,530 --> 00:57:03,180
might see a bad word or it might
not work properly. And within a

866
00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:06,600
year, everyone was just sucked
right out of that portal and AOL

867
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,440
became a dial up company. It's
going to be people want the

868
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,160
danger? We inherent we love it.
We love the danger. Oh my god, I

869
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,690
can't believe it. This. Twitter
is a game of who can say the

870
00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:22,200
most outrageous shit about
someone else, preferably, until

871
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,320
they get the platform. What can
you do on you? And it's an it's

872
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,560
a game between the creator and
the audience at this point, oh,

873
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,960
I can't believe you did that,
oh, you're gonna get a strike.

874
00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:36,030
You know, it's, it's sad to
watch. And what's interesting is

875
00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:40,560
I realized in this past week,
and I believe advertising,

876
00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:44,100
always equal censorship, even if
it's just not being able to talk

877
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,830
about a competing brand or but
you put filters in so you don't

878
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:49,050
piss off your advertisers. I've
done it all my life, I

879
00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:55,050
understand it. Had to two people
I've worked with, and I like,

880
00:57:56,070 --> 00:58:02,010
we're deep platformed. And for
different reasons. But the

881
00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:06,270
bottom line is, if you have
something of value, that you

882
00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:12,990
don't control, they, they, the
masses can and probably will

883
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:17,010
take it from you. Because always
someone who doesn't like you,

884
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,260
there's always someone who
disagrees and has a different

885
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:24,450
way of solving things. And
whether it's a YouTube channel,

886
00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:29,790
whether it's an advertiser,
whether it's a board seat on the

887
00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:32,790
podcast Academy, if it's
something that can be taken

888
00:58:32,790 --> 00:58:38,640
away, eventually, it most likely
will be what they can take away.

889
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,180
Is your RSS feed. I mean, yet
technically, you can get down to

890
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:45,900
the server level, but that's
unlikely. And even then, you

891
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:50,640
know, we'll deal with IPFS but
they can't take away or or, or

892
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,030
modify or change your feed your
mp3. And now with podcasting 2.0

893
00:58:57,150 --> 00:59:03,600
Your potential to survive
financially, financially? I love

894
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:04,500
what we're doing.

895
00:59:05,579 --> 00:59:10,139
Yeah. And that gives an out
because it's almost, it's

896
00:59:10,139 --> 00:59:14,759
necessary. And that's kind of
where this ends up is that it's,

897
00:59:14,999 --> 00:59:19,979
it's, it's necessary to have
this even podcasting 2.0 has

898
00:59:19,979 --> 00:59:26,099
never been ad advertising
hostile in the sense that that

899
00:59:26,759 --> 00:59:30,899
advertising has to fail in order
for podcasting 2.0 or value for

900
00:59:30,899 --> 00:59:34,979
value to succeed. That's not No,
not at all. Not at all. Not at

901
00:59:34,979 --> 00:59:37,169
all. It's never been the case
and brands it because brand

902
00:59:37,169 --> 00:59:42,209
safety is not inherently a bad
thing. Like if I had, if I have

903
00:59:42,209 --> 00:59:44,699
some product in the future, and
I want to buy some advertising

904
00:59:44,909 --> 00:59:47,279
for it. There's going to be
content that I don't want it to

905
00:59:47,279 --> 00:59:51,329
be seen against and that's it.
That's me. Yeah, I don't want

906
00:59:51,329 --> 00:59:56,699
that. But the more important
question is, does brand safety

907
00:59:56,699 --> 01:00:02,159
lead to healthy outcomes or to
Truth Truth, the outcomes for

908
01:00:02,189 --> 01:00:06,509
content and society. Yeah, true?
Because and I would argue that

909
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,049
the answer to that is no,
because that's not his job brand

910
01:00:10,049 --> 01:00:13,589
safety, his job is to protect
the brand by safety for the

911
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:17,489
brand. Yeah. And that's not
that's inherently not, not has

912
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,419
doesn't have anything to do with
whether the content is true. So

913
01:00:21,449 --> 01:00:25,889
that that's you almost you have
to have these out the podcast

914
01:00:25,889 --> 01:00:30,839
and people know has to exist for
that for this very reason that

915
01:00:31,229 --> 01:00:33,449
you're going to have, you're
going to have brand safety and

916
01:00:33,449 --> 01:00:36,689
sometimes you sometimes brand
safety is good, but it's good

917
01:00:36,689 --> 01:00:41,009
for the brand. It's not good for
the subject matter in and of

918
01:00:41,009 --> 01:00:42,899
itself and objective sense.

919
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:52,139
I completely agree. And I see
what's going on and I see. D

920
01:00:52,139 --> 01:00:56,939
platforming so fucking evil.
It's, it's so lame, you know,

921
01:00:56,939 --> 01:01:00,029
and the only way to protect
yourself is just have nothing of

922
01:01:00,029 --> 01:01:04,079
value. The only thing that is a
value that I don't control is my

923
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:08,099
my Twitter handle that still has
some value to me. But everything

924
01:01:08,099 --> 01:01:12,149
else now there's nothing and see
the shit I say been an

925
01:01:12,149 --> 01:01:14,489
additional D platform isn't what
are you going to take? What are

926
01:01:14,489 --> 01:01:15,029
you going to do?

927
01:01:16,290 --> 01:01:21,540
Yeah, it's, I think I think it's
in the long run. I think there's

928
01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:26,130
two industries, pretending to be
two pretending to be one

929
01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:29,610
industry. Yes, there's open
podcasting, open RSS,

930
01:01:29,610 --> 01:01:32,940
podcasting. And then there's
advertising based podcasting.

931
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,230
And some, if you if you have a
Venn diagram of both, there's a

932
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:39,900
little bit of overlap in the
middle, where all the big shows

933
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:44,070
exist, that are non exclusive.
And otherwise, they're really

934
01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:49,470
not. There's really not a whole
lot of overlap. And you can you

935
01:01:49,470 --> 01:01:54,060
can tell, which, you know, by by
who you're listening to, you can

936
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:57,960
see which part of the which
industry they're from, are they

937
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,740
from open RSS? Are they from
advertising, right? You can just

938
01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:05,250
hear it in in the way that
people speak. And it's not a

939
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,460
it's not a slam on anybody. It's
just just the way it is the way

940
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:12,660
the industry has, it has turned
in that direction. And

941
01:02:12,659 --> 01:02:16,289
podcasting takes a long time for
things to catch on and for

942
01:02:16,289 --> 01:02:18,959
things to grow in this
unexpected moments like the

943
01:02:18,959 --> 01:02:22,559
serial podcasts, unexpected
moments that give it a super

944
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:28,049
boost boost. And we and we will
see that but our secret weapon

945
01:02:28,049 --> 01:02:32,429
is, you know, Spotify can't buy
all the hosting companies.

946
01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:36,720
Yeah, and the secret the secret
weapon is also like pod verse.

947
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:37,020
Yeah,

948
01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:42,480
exactly. Yeah, exactly. We have
all these different apps and new

949
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,110
ideas, fresh ideas, things that
may have a very small user base,

950
01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:49,710
but it doesn't matter. Everybody
can survive and the whole

951
01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:55,380
ecosystem benefits no one
benefits from from a spotlight

952
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:58,530
from the Michelle Obama podcast,
Mitch downy had no way to

953
01:02:58,530 --> 01:03:02,970
benefit from that. Nor did nor
does he Stephen V. Nord is

954
01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:08,520
Stephen B. You know, or or, or
Roy, no one had a way to benefit

955
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,940
not Roy wouldn't doesn't put
those non value podcasts in his

956
01:03:11,940 --> 01:03:14,820
app. But you understand what I'm
saying? There's no benefit

957
01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:18,180
there. So you just fucking the
system. That was the whole

958
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:20,730
problem to start with. That's
why we had no apps.

959
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,900
Well, we do it for the love of
podcasting.

960
01:03:24,990 --> 01:03:28,350
Oh, please. Oh, shut up. Mitch.
You liar. Do it for money. I

961
01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:30,840
know. You're doing it for money.
I know what's right. The

962
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,340
mountains of dough, you're just
swimming in like Scrooge McDuck.

963
01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:38,700
They're diving into your, your,
your cash pile?

964
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,249
Yeah, that's what I've been
doing for eight years.

965
01:03:42,809 --> 01:03:44,879
I hear your brother, I'm a
podcaster. I hear

966
01:03:46,889 --> 01:03:47,759
that but

967
01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:52,080
we're able to move so quickly
and do things that were not

968
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:58,440
possible. Or that the other big
brands wouldn't even pursue like

969
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:59,880
value payments?

970
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,060
Or the LIVE TAG? Yeah. Or

971
01:04:03,059 --> 01:04:04,829
the live tag or pod paying

972
01:04:04,830 --> 01:04:07,470
look at look at how
revolutionary pod ping is. It'll

973
01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:14,100
take a bit but eventually,
polling will be so Boomer. Yeah,

974
01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:17,220
it should be we need to get
everybody on pod being as soon

975
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:19,380
as possible. It is such a game
changer.

976
01:04:20,219 --> 01:04:23,009
Can I Can I ask you? Can I ask
you about that, Mitch, because I

977
01:04:23,009 --> 01:04:26,759
want to ask you about in your
syncing with the index. I want

978
01:04:26,759 --> 01:04:34,529
to ask because, well, a couple
of things. How are you doing

979
01:04:34,529 --> 01:04:38,999
that currently, because I'm
noticing some old feeds that

980
01:04:39,149 --> 01:04:43,949
that are dead now that are still
showing up? That'll be number

981
01:04:43,950 --> 01:04:46,560
one. What can I ask a question,
first of all, Mitch, why is

982
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:52,560
Mitch syncing with the database
and not using the API or syncing

983
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,930
with the API? It is all you're
syncing with the API. Okay, but

984
01:04:54,930 --> 01:04:58,440
you're syncing. So you have you
use your own copy of the

985
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,200
database for your for the app
accesses,

986
01:05:01,499 --> 01:05:07,109
yes. Before podcasting 2.0
existed, we had our own database

987
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:12,119
and parser setup. And we had
about 50,000 podcasts in our

988
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,999
database. And we couldn't scale
up to do much more than that,

989
01:05:17,999 --> 01:05:21,779
because of all of the problems
associated with polling RSS

990
01:05:21,779 --> 01:05:27,029
feeds. And then once you guys
made the podcasts index, Dave,

991
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:32,549
expose some endpoints for us, we
now pull the API on a schedule,

992
01:05:32,579 --> 01:05:36,449
like every 15 minutes or
something. And we pull in all of

993
01:05:36,449 --> 01:05:39,299
the feeds that have that your
system has detected and

994
01:05:39,299 --> 01:05:43,529
updating, and that signals to
our system to run our parsers

995
01:05:43,529 --> 01:05:48,509
over it. So we started with
50,000. Now we have over 5

996
01:05:48,509 --> 01:05:52,469
million, and that would be
impossible. For us on our

997
01:05:52,469 --> 01:05:56,669
budget, we don't have a budget
to be able to accomplish

998
01:05:56,759 --> 01:06:01,019
without, you know, without you
guys doing the heavy lifting of

999
01:06:01,019 --> 01:06:04,289
detecting updates, and also
listening to updates with POD

1000
01:06:04,289 --> 01:06:07,559
bean and Pub Sub and whatever
other approaches you're using.

1001
01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:14,460
Okay, so that. So in light of
that, how are you detecting

1002
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:18,600
which feeds that we marked dead?
Because I'm not sure that that's

1003
01:06:19,590 --> 01:06:21,690
that that's syncing correctly?

1004
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,140
It's not flawless? It's crazy,
because I wrote it.

1005
01:06:26,099 --> 01:06:26,969
No, stop.

1006
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:32,759
You're good? Well, it is running
on a schedule. If there were

1007
01:06:32,759 --> 01:06:37,949
downtime, we could miss updates.
There's other potential bugs,

1008
01:06:37,949 --> 01:06:41,129
like maybe the list was too long
at a moment, and we didn't

1009
01:06:41,219 --> 01:06:44,069
paginate through the whole
thing. It's something I need to

1010
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:48,659
revisit, right now, as people
report that there's issues we

1011
01:06:48,659 --> 01:06:52,559
manually correct it. But we do
have automated we I think it

1012
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:57,899
listened to the dead podcasts or
dead feeds endpoint. I just

1013
01:06:57,899 --> 01:07:02,429
fixed the bug recently where
there's tricky issues like you

1014
01:07:02,429 --> 01:07:06,719
had two feeds that were for the
same podcast in podcast index.

1015
01:07:07,169 --> 01:07:12,779
And then at a later point, you
changed the RSS URL that was for

1016
01:07:12,779 --> 01:07:16,049
the new version of that podcast
back to the old ID.

1017
01:07:19,170 --> 01:07:21,930
Was that Jensen feed? Was that
what that was there?

1018
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,360
Maybe there's so many
shenanigans in ours.

1019
01:07:29,250 --> 01:07:32,880
Oh, no, it was Mike. Doc.
hotbox. And was Mike Tyson.

1020
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,680
Actually, that's the one I
remember.

1021
01:07:35,099 --> 01:07:37,949
Oh, that I didn't do that one
manually. That must be the new

1022
01:07:37,949 --> 01:07:41,759
automated redirect. Redirect
changer. Yeah.

1023
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:47,099
Okay, well, I found, I think I
have a fix for that I like do a

1024
01:07:47,099 --> 01:07:50,909
lookup to help match it. But so
it's not a perfect syncing

1025
01:07:50,909 --> 01:07:55,409
operation. It does seem to work,
like 99.9% of the time,

1026
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,289
hey, if you're hitting nothing,
if you're hitting the high 90s

1027
01:07:58,289 --> 01:08:00,689
and RSS world, you're doing
pretty good. I mean, you're you

1028
01:08:00,689 --> 01:08:07,049
know, that's, that's fine,
usually. But what can I do to

1029
01:08:07,049 --> 01:08:10,469
help because I want do I just
need because, you know, I

1030
01:08:10,469 --> 01:08:14,189
started producing a dead feeds
list. I don't know if you've

1031
01:08:14,189 --> 01:08:17,519
seen that. It's just an object
storage. And so you can just

1032
01:08:17,519 --> 01:08:21,509
download it, it just literally
lists out every dead feed in the

1033
01:08:21,509 --> 01:08:25,049
entire index as one humongous
file. You can download that and

1034
01:08:25,049 --> 01:08:27,449
just blow through it and just
mark everything dead.

1035
01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:31,620
Yeah, that could be useful.
Okay. Is there a different state

1036
01:08:31,620 --> 01:08:36,210
though, where it's like a dead
feed, but it gets, like switched

1037
01:08:36,210 --> 01:08:39,270
to another feed or switch to
another ID?

1038
01:08:39,599 --> 01:08:43,259
Yes, there's a there's, there's
the dead flag. And then there's

1039
01:08:43,259 --> 01:08:47,759
a duplicate of and so if it's
got a dip, that's what I'll send

1040
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:50,759
you the URL for that object
storage file, because it's, it

1041
01:08:50,759 --> 01:08:55,709
lists out every dead feed ID.
And then if it also, if that

1042
01:08:55,709 --> 01:08:59,939
dead feed ID was replaced, or or
should be is a duplicate of a

1043
01:08:59,939 --> 01:09:02,699
different feed, it will point
you to the ID of that feed.

1044
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,400
Okay. Yeah, something like that
would help. To be honest. I

1045
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,000
haven't put as much time into
the thinking because it just

1046
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,430
seems to work well enough for
now. But I think what I need to

1047
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:21,720
do is like, map it out our whole
infrastructure and all of our

1048
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,730
thinking operations and how they
work. And just like put all the

1049
01:09:26,730 --> 01:09:29,520
pieces on the table and see how
we can improve it.

1050
01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:34,770
Because it always comes up
because when I use pod verse to

1051
01:09:34,770 --> 01:09:37,740
search for podcasting, 2.0 I
always see the podcasting 2.0

1052
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:41,640
sandbox feed they're listed in
that one's been dead for like

1053
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,450
months. So they'd always always
so paying you for

1054
01:09:45,719 --> 01:09:53,699
if, if that was before, we added
the dead feeds endpoint. Because

1055
01:09:53,699 --> 01:09:58,049
we are deleting feeds. We're
listening to an endpoint and

1056
01:09:58,259 --> 01:10:03,449
podcasts index If that was that
happened later. So there could

1057
01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:07,079
be like a whole era of feeds
that has not been addressed. But

1058
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,449
what you're saying with if you
just have a dump of the whole

1059
01:10:09,809 --> 01:10:13,499
dead feeds list that we could,
you know, have a job, make it

1060
01:10:13,499 --> 01:10:15,839
run for a day or something, and
go through the whole thing.

1061
01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:18,480
Yeah, that might be Yeah, it's,
I'll send you the URL, and

1062
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,960
maybe, you know, it may be
useful for you to, you may find

1063
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,530
that you've got like, so many
that can be killed and just then

1064
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:26,640
take some load off.

1065
01:10:28,110 --> 01:10:34,620
You know, what's really open
source, sends your pull requests

1066
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:40,200
now. Pull requests, and please
anybody who wants to help with

1067
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,610
this, we are all open source.
And as you can tell, I could use

1068
01:10:44,610 --> 01:10:50,400
some help. We're at max
capacity. But it's a lot of fun.

1069
01:10:50,549 --> 01:10:54,989
That's, that's another thing I
wanted to ask you. This, okay.

1070
01:10:56,309 --> 01:10:59,549
So the other thing I want to ask
you, as far as, you know, an

1071
01:10:59,549 --> 01:11:01,769
answer as much of this as you
want and as little as you want,

1072
01:11:01,769 --> 01:11:08,159
but when it comes to, you know,
you pay for premium pod verse

1073
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,419
every month. And are y'all
doing? Just are y'all doing

1074
01:11:12,419 --> 01:11:16,409
okay? I mean, financially, are
you? You know, are you able to

1075
01:11:16,409 --> 01:11:18,209
pay the bills? I mean, how's
that going for you?

1076
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,280
We're doing okay, in the sense
that as long as I have a day

1077
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,380
job, I can afford it. It's not
unmanageable. It's actually

1078
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:34,680
remarkably cheap for how like,
like, supporting 5 million

1079
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,970
podcasts and having iOS Android
F Droid and web and all the

1080
01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:43,260
stuff we do, but we're not
making a profit yet. And

1081
01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:48,210
hopefully, we'll get there we're
not profit motivated. That's not

1082
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:54,780
central. Like I just have this
assumption that we keep getting

1083
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:59,100
better and you know, just keep
improving and eventually we'll

1084
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:03,300
turn a corner with that. But you
know, I'm not the world's best

1085
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:06,150
marketer either. I prefer
sitting in front all your

1086
01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:08,400
target to do genius marketer, so

1087
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,300
you're in the right place, my
friend before I,

1088
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,590
lest I forget Mitch, would you
please email me right now a

1089
01:12:16,590 --> 01:12:19,350
wallet credential so that I can
put you in the split for today's

1090
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:21,840
show? This is something we need
to ask up front Dave, we need to

1091
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:24,330
we need to guest a guest sheet

1092
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:26,880
and into intake form and intake

1093
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:27,720
form. There you go.

1094
01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:33,000
i There's there's trouble with
that. My Umbral node does not

1095
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,710
have channels set up right now.

1096
01:12:34,799 --> 01:12:37,349
Do you have any do you have any
wallet somewhere?

1097
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:41,610
I do. Oh, we do have a standard
bitcoin wallet. No, no,

1098
01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:42,840
no, no, that won't work.

1099
01:12:43,170 --> 01:12:43,560
I can

1100
01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:45,420
we can give you a LM pay wallet.

1101
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:51,689
Oh, you know what I can do shit.
Can I just set it up? Give him a

1102
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:54,839
Akira for sovereign fees wallet.

1103
01:12:55,650 --> 01:12:59,370
Oh yes, brand new. You can test
that out too. Well, while we're

1104
01:12:59,580 --> 01:13:01,650
while we're running with
scissors this breakout some more

1105
01:13:01,650 --> 01:13:02,760
scissors it's cool.

1106
01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:08,460
Go to sovereign feeds.com Mitch
and then it'll ask you for an

1107
01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:11,580
email address it'll send you a
token when you click on wallet

1108
01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:14,520
that is I think and then it'll
give you a wallet and the

1109
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,940
details send those to me and and
you even get stats

1110
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,560
All right cool. I'll do that
during the donations segment yes

1111
01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:26,160
sovereign the sovereign fees
what and if you've seen it Dave

1112
01:13:27,090 --> 01:13:30,210
The was pretty cool. I mean,
it's got boost and stream

1113
01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:33,480
history and booster grams
separately listed.

1114
01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:37,200
I haven't had a chance to look
at it Can you can you describe

1115
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:43,380
like what it's like when you I
mean where does it exist in

1116
01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:45,030
Yugoslavia and seeds.

1117
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:48,180
So if you go to to have you been
to sovereign foods lately,

1118
01:13:48,210 --> 01:13:50,340
yeah. Okay. Yeah, well, I was
there a couple days ago and is

1119
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:52,020
there you see those right before
he did

1120
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,920
okay, so there should be I think
when you hit it before before

1121
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,500
you even get in it asks you to
give your email address we're

1122
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,500
gonna set up a wallet If not
click the Sign In button on the

1123
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,280
right I think

1124
01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:10,860
okay, so because because the way
I usually get there is I go to I

1125
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:12,840
go to curio caster and then I'd

1126
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:17,610
no no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no sovereign feeds.com Oh,

1127
01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:21,900
listen. Oh, sovereign feeds is a
whole a whole environment. It's

1128
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:23,100
an operating system.

1129
01:14:23,549 --> 01:14:28,139
Yeah. So sovereign feeds was
settings Turn on RSS editor.

1130
01:14:29,129 --> 01:14:32,909
No, no, that's curio caster go
to sovereign feeds.com.

1131
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:33,990
Man,

1132
01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:37,380
I felt like I'm just it's this
is very disappointing. Actually.

1133
01:14:39,690 --> 01:14:42,090
While you're doing that, Mitch,
I'd like to ask you a question.

1134
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:49,410
And I also listened to the Tom
Webster pod line interview. And

1135
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,860
within that interview, there was
another you know, the discovery

1136
01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:55,500
thing always comes up. This is
another millio thing like well,

1137
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:58,650
once we get discovery, you know,
once we have discovery better

1138
01:14:58,650 --> 01:15:04,860
done, and it appears To me that
pod verse, but also fountain FM,

1139
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:11,670
have invested heavily as in
resources in Eclipse is that?

1140
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,730
For me, the thinking behind that
has always been that is a

1141
01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:18,450
discovery mechanism. Is that how
you view it?

1142
01:15:18,810 --> 01:15:22,470
Absolutely. I think of that
whenever people talk about

1143
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:28,080
discovery, people are looking
for like a magic AI solution

1144
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,630
that's going to just like push
their podcast in front of

1145
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:33,930
people, and that that's going to
draw people in. And that's going

1146
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:37,650
to be the key to their success.
But I think the real key is you

1147
01:15:37,650 --> 01:15:41,880
need a really high quality
podcast. And you need people to

1148
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:47,520
spread the word for you. There's
just such an oversaturation. I

1149
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,130
mean, it's good that there are
so many podcasts, but like,

1150
01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:54,060
people don't really listen to
podcasts unless somebody tells

1151
01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:57,240
them or they hear from one
podcast recommends another one.

1152
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:03,900
So clip sharing is, I think, the
most useful way for, for getting

1153
01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:06,570
introduced to a podcast and
potentially getting interested

1154
01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:11,310
in it. So that was actually what
pod verse started as. Right,

1155
01:16:11,340 --> 01:16:15,840
right to be a simple podcast
clip sharing platform, which is

1156
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,770
now turned into a Cross Platform
podcast app that does just about

1157
01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:25,890
everything. It does, yeah. Yeah.
But that is the core experience

1158
01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:31,950
that, you know, I was, I got
into podcasting, like 2009. I've

1159
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,800
was like, I really liked it. I
liked it as an alternative to

1160
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:41,010
mainstream television media. And
the thing that that I wrestled

1161
01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:43,410
with, though I didn't like I
couldn't share that with other

1162
01:16:43,410 --> 01:16:48,540
people that like, people could
talk about, oh, Game of Thrones

1163
01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:52,320
or Breaking Bad are some shows
that everybody watches. But, you

1164
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,670
know, podcasting was like
really, like specific to you as

1165
01:16:56,670 --> 01:16:59,400
an individual in which you
listened to. So I wanted an easy

1166
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,900
way to share clips, to
introduce, you know, maybe I

1167
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:07,890
hear something funny or
enlightening, and I wanted to

1168
01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:12,420
share it with people. So, yeah,
I think that that gets under,

1169
01:17:13,290 --> 01:17:16,320
that's just not discussed
enough. When people talk about

1170
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,920
discoverability, I feel like you
want to create viral content.

1171
01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:23,460
And that's a short clip that
people can share everywhere.

1172
01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:28,110
To me. No one has really quite
cracked that nut yet. And I'm

1173
01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:36,210
not sure what it is i i love
sending myself clips for noon,

1174
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:39,120
which is really no more than a
time code. For me that's a curio

1175
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,260
Castle does that I'm perfectly
fine with that. There's, I think

1176
01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:46,200
we're just missing
opportunities, like overcast, I

1177
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:51,150
get a lot of overcast chairs.
When it comes in the emails,

1178
01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:56,940
it's so there's so much
opportunity there to get

1179
01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:01,680
midnight, I don't have iOS, but
for for for all of the apps to

1180
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,790
get me to have a different
experience than what I'm seeing.

1181
01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:12,000
And not that I can explain it.
But have you have you looked at

1182
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,010
because everyone does it a
little bit differently? What do

1183
01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:17,760
you think is the perfect model
and I agree with you. And that

1184
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:22,620
may be part of the the millio of
the industry is well you know,

1185
01:18:22,620 --> 01:18:25,140
once we have discovery, but
we're never gonna have YouTube

1186
01:18:25,140 --> 01:18:27,780
like discovery, it's just that's
just not the nature of the

1187
01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:31,920
beast. But there's there's
sharing on social media, which

1188
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:37,380
is one type of sharing, which I
think needs a certain type of

1189
01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:41,250
experience if it's on Twitter or
Mastodon or face bag or anywhere

1190
01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:44,970
else. And then there's the
person to person through email

1191
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,180
or you know this, there's
different ways you can share. I

1192
01:18:48,180 --> 01:18:52,200
totally agree with the human
part. What are we looking at for

1193
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:57,570
how that's sent? And how that
stored how people can go back

1194
01:18:57,570 --> 01:19:00,900
and find more? I mean, that by
itself, and I asked you

1195
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:05,130
specifically because you started
out that way. What is What do

1196
01:19:05,130 --> 01:19:07,470
you see the formula? Do you
think you've you've got it yet?

1197
01:19:07,470 --> 01:19:10,320
Or is there something some magic
ingredients still missing?

1198
01:19:11,130 --> 01:19:14,790
I do think there's a magic
ingredient missing. It already

1199
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:20,430
exists though. It's the podcast
sound bite tag. And we so the

1200
01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:26,190
sound bite tag is part of the
podcasting. 2.0 spec allows you

1201
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:30,600
to create clips within your RSS
feed. They're just timestamp so

1202
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,880
start time and time and title.
And if a podcaster includes it

1203
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,260
in their RSS feed, then every
podcast app can just parse out

1204
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:44,190
that information and do what
they want with those clips. Like

1205
01:19:44,190 --> 01:19:49,200
in pod versus case, we look for
the sound by tag. If we find it,

1206
01:19:49,230 --> 01:19:54,240
we generate a clip in our
system. So podcasters if they

1207
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:59,220
want to make clips available as
far reaching as possible, they

1208
01:19:59,340 --> 01:20:03,870
can put this out On by tagging
their RSS feed, and it goes to

1209
01:20:03,870 --> 01:20:07,080
every app, you know, like the
ideas they can create in a

1210
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,200
central location instead of,
okay, you have to go to pod

1211
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,970
verse and create a clip here, or
found create a clip there. Like

1212
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,560
if they do that in the RSS. That
is a ticket to being able to

1213
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,550
generate it everywhere.

1214
01:20:21,210 --> 01:20:25,110
The soundbite tag is doesn't
have an external file. It's,

1215
01:20:25,290 --> 01:20:26,670
it's in the feed itself.

1216
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,960
That's correct. I mean, that
could potentially change if

1217
01:20:31,050 --> 01:20:34,440
the reason why I ask is because
all of this stuff, this is my

1218
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:39,480
problem. So if I wanted to
generate a sound byte tag, I

1219
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:43,620
kind of have to do that work
before I publish. Otherwise, you

1220
01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:47,910
get into republishing, feeds and
you know, all kinds of caching

1221
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:51,930
and bullcrap that comes along
with that. So I would need a to

1222
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:55,230
have the capability, the
capability to actually select

1223
01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:59,040
the clip before I publish,
which, you know, time codes and

1224
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,830
everything. There's really no, I
have no UI for it. I'm basically

1225
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:06,030
telling Stephen B what the
problem is. But honestly, I'm

1226
01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:10,710
the lazy ass that says, oh, man,
can it be either? Or Could I

1227
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,700
could I have Dred Scott do more
for me is my question. Really?

1228
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,170
Yes, yes. Well, that's up to
him. But

1229
01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:24,420
I give people SATs baby, I don't
mess around, I'd like to take

1230
01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:24,990
our money.

1231
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,550
Some other people have kicked
around this idea on the Macedon

1232
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:34,140
that some some way of
crowdsourcing clip generation.

1233
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:39,810
And if if there was an external
file, then that might have

1234
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:42,990
separate permissions from your
RSS feed. So you could just put

1235
01:21:42,990 --> 01:21:47,310
a URL in your RSS feed that
links to your your soundbite

1236
01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:53,670
list. And maybe you could have
your own moderators, that could

1237
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:58,680
then add clips to that list. And
that we read it like normal, it

1238
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,560
would have to be its own
standalone service. Right? Well,

1239
01:22:02,010 --> 01:22:03,090
I'd love to complicate. I'd

1240
01:22:03,090 --> 01:22:06,240
love to experiment with the
soundbite tag regardless. So

1241
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,970
once I have that capability,
I'll do it. I'll figure

1242
01:22:08,970 --> 01:22:12,750
something out. Yeah, because no
one no one's producing them.

1243
01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:14,640
There's no tools for it. As far
as I know.

1244
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,830
There is. So Buzzsprout has
adopted sound bites from the

1245
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:22,380
beginning, there's just one
catch, which is that they don't

1246
01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:28,260
allow setting a title with the
clips. Yes. And so they think of

1247
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:31,590
it more as a preview of an
episode. So like, you include

1248
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:36,630
one preview, I think their UI
also generates an audiogram. So

1249
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,010
the the people using the
platform, they create a sound

1250
01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:43,830
bite. And then they get an
audiogram and think, Oh, I've

1251
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:46,740
got a clip, what they don't
realize is, well, there's

1252
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:49,710
another level that we can go
here, which is you put the title

1253
01:22:49,710 --> 01:22:53,370
in the feed also. And now that
clip is generated everywhere.

1254
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:58,800
Right. I don't know if they have
any plans to support something

1255
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,730
like that. But I do think that
it's just kind of under the

1256
01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:07,020
radar that this potential with
Eclipse is right there. We have

1257
01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:11,310
the spec already. Maybe we need
to add the external file. But

1258
01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:13,200
there's definitely room there.
But what

1259
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,080
I like is this is all about
getting more people to listen to

1260
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,910
the podcast and not have more ad
inventory available. Because

1261
01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:25,200
people are clicking Oh, let me
check this out. Plays ad man

1262
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,960
don't like it. Next one plays ad
don't like it. Because that's

1263
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,290
just not the way people find
podcasts as far as I'm

1264
01:23:31,290 --> 01:23:31,890
concerned.

1265
01:23:32,940 --> 01:23:36,450
Yeah, exactly. It's hard to get
on people's radar. And also, you

1266
01:23:36,450 --> 01:23:40,530
know, man, I'm subscribed to
like 200 podcasts. I can't keep

1267
01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:45,360
up with it all. Yeah, it's just
a firehose. Yeah. And I hope

1268
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,910
that there'll be a day where
there's just such a, there's so

1269
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:52,020
many clips being generated in a
open standard way that I could

1270
01:23:52,020 --> 01:23:55,890
get, like, highlights from the
shows, I do want to listen to,

1271
01:23:55,890 --> 01:23:59,010
but I can't keep up with, you
know, that would be really cool.

1272
01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,100
Otherwise, I just fall in those
same patterns that like same

1273
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:05,250
five podcasts I normally listen
to, but there's a lot more than

1274
01:24:05,250 --> 01:24:07,890
I'm interested in. I just can't
keep up with it all.

1275
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:13,320
Do you have any visibility in
like any kind of telemetry or

1276
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,720
metrics or anything that tells
you which features of the app

1277
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,960
get are used and not used? and
in what quantities?

1278
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:25,320
Not really, I'm bad at
prioritizing that sort of thing.

1279
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,750
The only join a club?

1280
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,810
I mean, I find it interesting.
It just it just hasn't yet

1281
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,140
happened yet. We do have some
tracking in terms of we count,

1282
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:42,630
page view counts if people opt
into tracking and that we use as

1283
01:24:42,630 --> 01:24:48,060
part of our sorting algorithm of
popularity. It's a extremely

1284
01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:51,960
flawed system does not
necessarily reflect reality, but

1285
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,560
it gives us some indication for
some podcasts at least of what

1286
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:59,760
what is getting shared the most.
But in terms of the feature use

1287
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,750
I pretty much just based on what
people email us about and

1288
01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:05,250
contact us.

1289
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:10,620
Does it help? How is the how's
the the Translate language

1290
01:25:10,620 --> 01:25:14,160
translation stuff going? I know
you're pushing that hard for a

1291
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,380
while is that didn't you
crowdsource that,

1292
01:25:16,860 --> 01:25:22,650
yet translations is going good,
I have not given enough time to

1293
01:25:22,650 --> 01:25:25,920
the community that's helping
with that. There's this service

1294
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,880
called Web late. I think web
blade.org. And somebody reached

1295
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,930
out to us a while ago, just
saying that they, you know, hey,

1296
01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:37,920
you should set up with this
website. And it makes it really

1297
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:44,670
easy for people to you give them
like your master list of text.

1298
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:48,240
So like, we have one JSON file
that has all of our texts, and

1299
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,150
that's our English, that's a
root file. And then people can

1300
01:25:51,150 --> 01:25:55,260
just jump in and translate that
into any language, and it

1301
01:25:55,260 --> 01:26:01,470
automatically creates PRs to are
Oh, wow, oh, that's cool. It's

1302
01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:05,970
really cool. I did not know it
existed. And I need to give it

1303
01:26:05,970 --> 01:26:08,310
more attention, because I'm not
talking to these people

1304
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:12,000
directly, very much. And they're
doing this great work. But it's,

1305
01:26:12,030 --> 01:26:14,760
it's a really powerful tool,
especially if you have an open

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01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,150
source project, I recommend
everybody get set up with it.

1307
01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:22,680
If so, how does that this year,
just you have a master list of

1308
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,680
text strings, and you just pull
from that list when you compile?

1309
01:26:27,210 --> 01:26:31,830
Right? Well, I mean, we have
cores at runtime. We have I 18.

1310
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:35,760
N. We have an
internationalization setup, it's

1311
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,380
just a little helper function
that checks what the device is

1312
01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:45,360
language is currently in. And if
we have that language code

1313
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:53,400
available, like we have French,
German, Norwegian, we have like

1314
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:59,760
six languages. Currently, yeah,
it just, it just flips the

1315
01:26:59,790 --> 01:27:03,120
definitions for depending on the
language that

1316
01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:05,760
you're in, how many strings how
many strings are there? I mean,

1317
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,550
like, what how big of a
translation project? Is it to?

1318
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:11,850
Like, let's just say it was a
comic strip blogger wanted to go

1319
01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:14,520
and translate it to polish? I
mean, would that take him two

1320
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,470
days? Or would it take him an
hour and a half?

1321
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,320
Well, the beautiful thing is,
you could just do partial

1322
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:22,560
incremental, you don't have to
go through and do the whole

1323
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,780
thing, you just go line by line,
you know, and translate those

1324
01:27:27,780 --> 01:27:31,980
lines into whatever language you
want. And, you know, you don't

1325
01:27:31,980 --> 01:27:35,400
have to be the person that does
the whole thing. So I think we

1326
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,310
have like 1000 strings, it's
quite a lot. And actually, part

1327
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:40,890
of why we have so many is
because we added screen reader

1328
01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:45,450
accessibility about six months
ago. And that's actually a

1329
01:27:45,450 --> 01:27:49,530
feature I'd like to highlight
more. Because, you know, we

1330
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:52,050
invested a lot of time to make
it screenreader accessible. I

1331
01:27:52,050 --> 01:27:56,010
got an email last year from
somebody saying that they heard

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01:27:56,010 --> 01:27:59,310
about pod verse through podcasts
in 2.0. And they were really

1333
01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:02,280
excited to try it. And then they
opened the app, and it just did

1334
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,540
nothing. And it turned out we
were not accessible at all. It

1335
01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:07,980
just was a dead app.

1336
01:28:08,190 --> 01:28:11,400
I know you well enough to know
that stuff like that just gets

1337
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:15,390
in you your curl and you. Yeah,
yeah, that drives you crazy.

1338
01:28:16,230 --> 01:28:20,100
Yeah, yeah, I just feels like
I'm not doing, you know the

1339
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:24,180
basics of what should be done.
But so I hope that the

1340
01:28:24,180 --> 01:28:27,450
experience is good now for
screen reader accessibility. And

1341
01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:31,680
I'd love to get more feedback.
If you or anybody you know, uses

1342
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,500
a screen reader. I'd love to get
feedback. We've got it on the

1343
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:37,710
website, and the mobile app for
the five

1344
01:28:37,710 --> 01:28:41,280
blind guys podcast with three
blind guys podcast. I'll ping

1345
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,310
him. I've been on their show.
They're okay. Yeah, they're the

1346
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:44,880
real deal.

1347
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:46,800
That'd be great.

1348
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,180
So they're podcasters and
podcast users. Perfect, shall we

1349
01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:54,330
thank a few people for our value
for value proposition which I've

1350
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,750
been explaining to debit card
Danny who will be joining the

1351
01:28:57,750 --> 01:29:06,180
team debit card. Danny is a
overqualified CPA who was who

1352
01:29:06,180 --> 01:29:11,790
was helping us with our tax
filings and our books and he's

1353
01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:15,330
no agenda guy and he's really
excited about what we're doing

1354
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,840
and he's getting up to speed and
so I was explaining value for

1355
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,510
value because he kept saying
well okay so your sales no stop

1356
01:29:22,380 --> 01:29:27,000
no sales but but that's that's
in in in IRS speak it comes into

1357
01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:31,620
it. Just say it's easy to say
sales okay. But anyway, value

1358
01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:34,500
for value was is something that
I've I've actually been writing

1359
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:39,510
quite a bit yesterday, two days
ago. in Teaneck, Festo. Yeah,

1360
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:42,900
Tina came home like that. What
do you do to my emails? Now I'm

1361
01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:46,950
gonna show prep and I've been
writing, writing, writing.

1362
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:50,970
Right, I'm the right I'm The
Linguist here be writing your

1363
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:57,720
podcasts. So I've gotten pretty
far and it's kind of fun to to

1364
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,330
build the story and then also
make it you know, Quick so you

1365
01:30:00,330 --> 01:30:02,610
can get in understand something
or if you really want to delve

1366
01:30:02,610 --> 01:30:05,460
deeper into it and learn more of
the history because it really is

1367
01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:08,790
more than just, you know, it's
not just content monetization,

1368
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:13,020
it's a programming format it's a
lifestyle to a degree. And and

1369
01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:15,630
what we're doing here I would
say is kind of the lifestyle

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01:30:15,810 --> 01:30:18,840
because this project is
completely supported by the

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01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,480
people who want to support it,
and the value they get out of it

1372
01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:24,630
they put into it. That's the
beauty of it so you can

1373
01:30:24,630 --> 01:30:28,020
determine exactly how much you
find this you think the podcast

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01:30:28,020 --> 01:30:30,180
is worth but really the whole
project because it funds

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01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:33,750
everything. And you can do that
by going to podcast index.org

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01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:35,520
Scroll down at the bottom
there's a couple of ways you can

1377
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:40,620
send your Fiat fun coupons or if
you prefer you can send on chain

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Bitcoin, but we really like
people boosting sending booster

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01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,790
grams with a modern podcast app
and I just checked that new

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podcast apps.com is one way nude
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apparently I don't know who did
that, but I appreciate it. So if

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you keep hearing nude podcast
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1383
01:31:00,540 --> 01:31:04,440
find your favorite podcast apps
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01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:09,600
live podcast boosts before we
get yours. The ones received

1385
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:15,180
before the during the show. Meet
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1386
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in a few minutes. Here you go.
Thanks. That was 19 minutes ago

1387
01:31:18,090 --> 01:31:21,510
we could do with another one. A
lot of triple threes from Chad

1388
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:27,630
Pharaoh. Appreciate that boost
Barry. Check this out. 111 111

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1390
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Holy crap.

1391
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I think that gets a big bottle.
Shot Carla 20 is blades on the

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01:31:36,510 --> 01:31:40,320
M booster grand reads as follows
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brief observation using new like
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playing game. You obtain gem of
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33 Booster lightning magic.

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loot the room.

1399
01:31:58,590 --> 01:32:03,630
loot the room. I might have to
change the title of the show to

1400
01:32:03,630 --> 01:32:07,350
leave the room behind the
scheme's will be lit post no

1401
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:10,860
agenda on 612 22 with the
podsafe Dave Jones as our

1402
01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:14,130
guests. Oh, so you're going to
feel what it is what it's like

1403
01:32:14,130 --> 01:32:15,630
to really have it work.

1404
01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:20,190
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'll
get the I'll get a front row

1405
01:32:20,190 --> 01:32:22,740
seat for how this stuff is
supposed to run and

1406
01:32:23,130 --> 01:32:25,830
I am totally changing the title
to loot the room. That's

1407
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:31,380
hilarious. 5000 SATs from
crimson dear Thank you very

1408
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much. We have 5000 SATs from the
NA millennial Adam unblock me on

1409
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Twitter. I wonder why I blocked
you on Twitter. I will I will

1410
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check that

1411
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they deserved it. No doubt.

1412
01:32:44,190 --> 01:32:47,490
Well, I think five SATs is not
really doesn't really unlock the

1413
01:32:47,490 --> 01:32:49,170
Twitter achievement but okay.

1414
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That's that's a minimum of
20,000.

1415
01:32:54,090 --> 01:32:57,870
See, Brooklyn. 112 came in on
the chat room and he says oh, I

1416
01:32:57,870 --> 01:33:00,360
just snuck in. I'm late for the
board meeting and I said Hey,

1417
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,540
where's your hall pass and he
sent 2000 SATs with my hall pass

1418
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Thank you very much. 500 from
span proof at feat feast Nope.

1419
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Secret ingredient is oh I'm
sorry. That's for no agenda.

1420
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That mix on my thing here. Hard
Hat with 22 2222 22,222 sets of

1421
01:33:23,130 --> 01:33:29,970
massive row of ducks. Thank you
very much. See Mike 2222 Running

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01:33:29,970 --> 01:33:33,270
with Scissors and putting our
ifex individual first aid kits

1423
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:39,450
to good use today. Merch idea.
Take notes, a podcasting 2.0

1424
01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:44,970
First aid kit. It has a it has a
better Alright. Alright. Podcast

1425
01:33:44,970 --> 01:33:49,380
index shot pay attention. It has
a backup USB mic dongles

1426
01:33:49,410 --> 01:33:52,980
adapters and an ask me about my
podcast button to put on your

1427
01:33:52,980 --> 01:34:00,300
shirt. Yes, beautiful. Sounds
about right. Chad Pharaoh got us

1428
01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:03,750
going about an hour ago with
We'll do it live and 10,000 SATs

1429
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:10,350
on the booster gram. lavish 6666
Pew pew we got shipped. Stephen

1430
01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:15,750
beat. Oh Steven Be with a short
row of ducks. Hey, Mitch,

1431
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:19,140
Congrats on getting lit. Working
the pod pink is awesome. Come on

1432
01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:21,870
Martin, Oscar, Guillermo and
Franco. We're waiting for you

1433
01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:27,120
guys to get lit. And there's our
Ben, our buddy sir Spencer

1434
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:32,730
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and making lit seem easy. Love

1435
01:34:32,730 --> 01:34:35,730
you guys. Thanks for pushing
that live item goodness. When in

1436
01:34:35,730 --> 01:34:39,210
doubt, ignore the false cache
signals and keep on truckin PS

1437
01:34:39,210 --> 01:34:42,210
for live item feed management. I
highly recommend VS code for

1438
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edits and FileZilla to get it up
on the server go straight to the

1439
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:49,530
source. And that is our live
boosts with the last one coming

1440
01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:54,270
in. Oh, sneaking in trying
trying to get the there he is

1441
01:34:54,270 --> 01:34:57,480
ladies and gentlemen, Dred Scott
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1442
01:34:57,480 --> 01:35:02,910
to fun fact Friday's 100th
episode next week. Make 77,777

1443
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Sad shot caller 20 blades on I
am Paula yeah there's no money

1444
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in podcasting

1445
01:35:11,700 --> 01:35:14,250
in billions of sets

1446
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,890
billions and billions of SATs

1447
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:23,790
we also got some Pay Pal
donations we get $22.22 from Sir

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Pete pieces boost

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we go Hold on a second that's a
combo that I yeah you weren't

1450
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you were not prepared with how
could I be prepared for that?

1451
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Oh, he was a left hook 2222 Also
from super nerd media says

1452
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notwithstanding the dulcet tones
of Gregory Forsyth, Jr. One

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needs one needs more than AI
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1454
01:35:57,570 --> 01:36:00,840
cordially invite you to listen
to the Barnhardt podcast, a mash

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up of current events, Catholic
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11 Yo Yo. Barnhart is spelled
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1457
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and booster grams that was all
the PayPals knows oh well. And

1459
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you will get the monthlies will
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donation

1461
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okay by the way the right now is
the time to boost I mean booster

1462
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Satoshis when this stuff starts
going up again it's going to be

1463
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happy times.

1464
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Oh yeah, was it boost the drip
drip

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by the dip boost the drip

1466
01:36:41,549 --> 01:36:48,809
brand Oh settlers gave us 10,006
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01:36:48,809 --> 01:36:51,209
really love what you're doing at
the podcast index and the things

1468
01:36:51,209 --> 01:36:53,609
Oscar has been doing with
fountain. I can't wait to see

1469
01:36:53,609 --> 01:36:56,159
what the future brings and that
was boosted through fountain

1470
01:36:56,159 --> 01:37:02,069
Thank you Brenda 19 122 sets
from Kira and our buddy mere

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mortals podcast. It says I think
Theodore Dusty eskie can give

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Mr. Solzhenitsyn a run for his
money in the near in the near

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the unspoiled names department,
the Russians, the Russians

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strike again through the Gulag
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by the way. Horrifying and
emotionally draining but still

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fantastic.

1477
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That was tiring that was tiring.
Yeah, carbonation. Man.

1478
01:37:27,780 --> 01:37:32,580
Shout out to Myhrvold mere
mortals who is been a huge like

1479
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:36,150
promoter of podcasts and 2.0 and
also the sleek podcast which is

1480
01:37:36,540 --> 01:37:38,340
what's brand Knossos guys,

1481
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:43,020
those guys, okay, do tons of
videos. screengrabs is

1482
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:45,900
fantastic. I love retweeting
among Twitter.

1483
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:49,440
Mitch, I thought you were about
to say shout out to a feed or

1484
01:37:49,440 --> 01:38:01,230
Dostoyevsky. Musa, by the way,
one, Karen's partner in crime is

1485
01:38:01,260 --> 01:38:04,500
he's up there in I think,
Minneapolis. So that's sort of

1486
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:11,640
close to you. Mitch, close in
quotes. Cool. Satoshi stream

1487
01:38:11,670 --> 01:38:15,600
sent us 5552 SATs through
fountain and he says, Why you

1488
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:20,460
say a lot when fountain works so
nicely. Smiley face is true. But

1489
01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:25,740
CLS fun. Everybody wants this
command line. Yes. And Roy

1490
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:31,590
scheinfeld. The Wizard of Tel
Aviv, he says, he says

1491
01:38:31,860 --> 01:38:37,980
54321 54,321 says through breeze
and he says, quote, I also don't

1492
01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:44,070
want crypto I want Bitcoin. ADAM
You rock. That must be an atom

1493
01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:46,230
quote. I guess. I guess.

1494
01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:49,620
I guess Thank you. Thank you,
Roy. Yeah, thanks, buddy. the

1495
01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:56,460
only the only industry player
that supports me big industry

1496
01:38:56,460 --> 01:38:56,910
player.

1497
01:38:58,350 --> 01:39:00,450
Yep. Roy is a treasure man. He
really

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01:39:00,990 --> 01:39:04,620
is. I can't wait to visit him
yet.

1499
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,790
Do you have that scheduled or
he's gonna just talk in general

1500
01:39:09,660 --> 01:39:15,210
is Israel is on our radar. We
definitely want to go there. I

1501
01:39:15,210 --> 01:39:19,170
mean, you and Tina. Yeah, we we
really we still love to do Japan

1502
01:39:19,170 --> 01:39:23,670
but Japan and one anybody. Stay
away. Stay away. You

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01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:27,720
can lay bare you ready? Sit
down, you guys.

1504
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:30,300
I'm sitting down. I'm ready.
What's up? Okay, all right.

1505
01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:34,230
100,000 SATs Oh, podcast.

1506
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:39,060
Shot call off 20 blades on the
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1507
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,080
Boost. A says the intergalactic
boombox podcast isn't just

1508
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,380
standing there. It's boosting.
And I'm a firm believer in value

1509
01:39:46,380 --> 01:39:48,780
for value, especially with the
immense enjoyment I get from

1510
01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:54,930
Dave's paper. crinkling ASMR
You're welcome. Yes, thank you,

1511
01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:59,580
Carl. Yeah, me and Carl the
exchanged some emails this week.

1512
01:39:59,580 --> 01:40:05,250
He's Such a good guy. Todd from
Northern Virginia. All right

1513
01:40:05,250 --> 01:40:10,410
says he sent us 11,100 And
Levinson sat through breeze and

1514
01:40:10,410 --> 01:40:12,810
he says cheers. Can I get a
divorce IQ boost?

1515
01:40:13,020 --> 01:40:15,330
Oh yes of course boost boost
boost

1516
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:24,510
gasp Casper eland through
fountain 3690 SATs and he says

1517
01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:29,610
thanks for the work. Thank you
guys. Oh, here we go. How you

1518
01:40:29,610 --> 01:40:34,770
doing Chris here. Chris Fisher
says 3333 sets to found and he

1519
01:40:34,770 --> 01:40:38,640
says we need a podcast or push
for podcasting 2.0 apps. I

1520
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,190
initially had a lot of modern
audience try out the new app,

1521
01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:43,860
but I suspect many of them have
switched back to their old app

1522
01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:49,080
UI boost, in part because we're
the only podcast in the Linux

1523
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:53,400
world preaching the good 2.0
word. We need more advocacy of

1524
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,370
the full 2.0 feature set. And
why all that matters for the

1525
01:40:56,370 --> 01:41:00,030
competitive future of podcasting
from the podcasters themselves

1526
01:41:00,300 --> 01:41:02,700
where they lead the audience
will follow. Well, that's you've

1527
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:04,650
been preaching that forever,
madam. Whoosh.

1528
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,790
Yes, that's the only way it
works. And when you do, then it

1529
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:12,300
works. I mean, look at this.
Look at this podcast. It's

1530
01:41:12,300 --> 01:41:18,300
working. Now the real trial is
carrying the keeper. Because you

1531
01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:20,970
know, people like let me just
send you pay, pal? Nope. Let me

1532
01:41:20,970 --> 01:41:23,940
just say your cash Nope. We
won't move not accepted. But we

1533
01:41:23,940 --> 01:41:26,970
really want to support you got
to go through the steps. It's

1534
01:41:26,970 --> 01:41:34,200
been painful. These are just
plain old people who don't

1535
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:38,610
really even use a podcast app
typically. And they hear us

1536
01:41:38,610 --> 01:41:41,670
talking about it. In the end.
They're trying so hard. It's

1537
01:41:41,670 --> 01:41:46,980
beautiful to watch. But, man,
it's hard. It's really it's hard

1538
01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:49,890
to get people so I do we just
keep pushing and people get

1539
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,770
people do it. They get through
eventually they do. And they're

1540
01:41:52,770 --> 01:41:55,560
really proud when they do and I
hope that they then also check

1541
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,470
out other you know, it was
really beautiful. Last night

1542
01:41:58,470 --> 01:42:04,440
there was was it on Fox, I
actually fall asleep almost

1543
01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:07,290
every single time during Tucker
Carlson. I wasn't want to watch

1544
01:42:07,290 --> 01:42:10,710
because he takes our material. I
want to see what he liked. And

1545
01:42:10,740 --> 01:42:15,900
it's true that he's produces
fine. And so and I fall asleep.

1546
01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:19,890
Patina says Oh, did you see Did
you hear anything about the

1547
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:24,780
woman was talking about Bitcoin
to know. So there was a I forget

1548
01:42:24,780 --> 01:42:29,670
her name Natalie something. And
she has a podcast that she was

1549
01:42:29,670 --> 01:42:32,700
talking because normally Brunel
is that yes, Natalie Brunel.

1550
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:37,740
Exactly. And so the answer to
talk about Bitcoin being

1551
01:42:37,740 --> 01:42:40,110
separate from crypto, and Tina
said, yeah, you would have

1552
01:42:40,110 --> 01:42:43,020
really liked that. And sort of
what was named Tina didn't know

1553
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:47,040
so I looked it up as a podcast.
So I use the few things I have

1554
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,270
and out and Natalie coin
stories, pop it up on curio

1555
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:54,930
cache, or boom value value for
value enabled, right there. And

1556
01:42:54,930 --> 01:42:58,260
I say, oh, that's and of course
I send a boost to grandma. I

1557
01:42:58,260 --> 01:43:01,470
don't know if what she's hooked
into she gets those messages at

1558
01:43:01,470 --> 01:43:06,270
all. That's really the when the
podcasters. That's the missing

1559
01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:09,450
part. So it's not just tell
people how to do it what happens

1560
01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:12,330
and then Tina and I have seen
this on Korean Zookeeper. We're

1561
01:43:12,330 --> 01:43:15,240
reading booster grams and people
like I want to be read on the

1562
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,990
booster gram, we got to send a
booster gram. So that's the

1563
01:43:18,990 --> 01:43:23,070
piece until the podcaster either
is looking at it in well now of

1564
01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:27,060
course we have fountain we have
sovereign feeds with you can

1565
01:43:27,060 --> 01:43:30,240
read that we have heli pad,
obviously we have Satoshi

1566
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:34,470
streams, until the podcaster can
see that and implemented into

1567
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:39,330
the programming into the podcast
itself. You don't get that level

1568
01:43:39,330 --> 01:43:42,630
of adoption. That's what drives
it. That's what makes it work.

1569
01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:46,350
And that's just my experience.
Don't be known for long time.

1570
01:43:47,010 --> 01:43:51,000
Mentioned the amount mentioned
the short message. That's it

1571
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:54,330
and take it from you because
you're literally writing the

1572
01:43:54,330 --> 01:43:55,920
book. I'm literally

1573
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,280
writing the book. I've been
living the life for more than 14

1574
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:03,510
years. No other income sporadic
but really no other income than

1575
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:05,790
no agenda from value for value.

1576
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,900
Would you say that that's where
it always falls down? Is it when

1577
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:13,380
it falls down? It always falls
down right there where the where

1578
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:17,280
the podcaster does not read the
feedback back into the show.

1579
01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:17,610
It's

1580
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,720
then it doesn't work. Yeah, it's
not just falling down. It just

1581
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:23,550
it never lifts off. It's just a

1582
01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:26,550
critical piece that gets if it's
not there. It just doesn't

1583
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:27,120
function.

1584
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:31,500
I mean, and if you don't do it,
then it just dries up. It stops.

1585
01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:36,360
Yeah, and it really is key that
you have that segment in there.

1586
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:47,760
Well, exemplified by Muppet 1856
You sent us 177,600

1587
01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:03,690
Did you just fall under your

1588
01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:06,210
iron thermometer? Come on, man,
I'm

1589
01:45:06,210 --> 01:45:07,950
too tight for this market. That
was awesome.

1590
01:45:11,849 --> 01:45:14,519
That was through cast ematic.
And what's funny to me about

1591
01:45:14,519 --> 01:45:17,999
these donations that go that
big, is you look on like, I know

1592
01:45:17,999 --> 01:45:21,149
for a fact that Casta Matic
won't let you won't let you load

1593
01:45:21,149 --> 01:45:26,009
up more than 50,000 SATs and a
go. So he had to load up

1594
01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:30,209
multiple rounds in order to get
high enough. Wow. And that one

1595
01:45:30,209 --> 01:45:33,929
boost, and then you hope that
the podcast you're sending to as

1596
01:45:33,929 --> 01:45:36,149
a channel This at least big
enough to answer

1597
01:45:36,209 --> 01:45:39,449
that too. Yeah. So who? Who sent
this again? I'm sorry, I

1598
01:45:39,449 --> 01:45:41,339
completely didn't hear who sent
it.

1599
01:45:41,429 --> 01:45:45,779
Yeah, this is my this is my that
was 12 jingles ago. Yes. muppet.

1600
01:45:45,779 --> 01:45:50,939
1856 He's on the on. Yeah.

1601
01:45:51,299 --> 01:45:52,889
Cool, man. Thank you.

1602
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,730
He says Sir, Sir Geoffrey Zellen
supporting you with a freedom

1603
01:45:56,730 --> 01:45:57,810
baller. Boost.

1604
01:45:58,530 --> 01:46:02,730
Freedom baller boost. Very, very
cool, man. Thank you, Jeffrey.

1605
01:46:02,730 --> 01:46:03,120
Thank you.

1606
01:46:03,629 --> 01:46:08,849
Bucha thank you so much. Lyceum
sent us 50,000 SATs through

1607
01:46:08,849 --> 01:46:13,229
fountain. He says thanks for
shout out. I will mention your

1608
01:46:13,229 --> 01:46:18,089
show in the upcoming episode 126
of ego net cast. Do I don't know

1609
01:46:18,089 --> 01:46:18,809
that show? Neither

1610
01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:20,340
do I. Okay, thank you.

1611
01:46:21,810 --> 01:46:25,740
Do you have a list of Satoshi
special numbers eg 1776 Liberty

1612
01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:29,850
boost commemorating the founding
fathers to two to two ducks.

1613
01:46:30,090 --> 01:46:34,860
ducks in a row boost for 20 High
five for the hint boost. As

1614
01:46:34,860 --> 01:46:38,010
Martin Linda Skog and yeah,
that's that's on there's a repo

1615
01:46:38,010 --> 01:46:38,580
for that.

1616
01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:44,460
Yeah. Is the striper boost in
there. He shouldn't be missing

1617
01:46:44,490 --> 01:46:46,560
there's a repo for that. Yeah,

1618
01:46:46,830 --> 01:46:51,000
so I don't know where it is
called. I wonder if it's in the

1619
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:52,050
boost bait repo

1620
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,870
booster gram. Repo GitHub.

1621
01:46:58,140 --> 01:47:00,420
I don't know where to look for
it our recent boost Yeah, at Sur

1622
01:47:00,420 --> 01:47:05,940
Doug Sn is 4400 SATs and he says
V four v keep it up. Thank you

1623
01:47:05,940 --> 01:47:06,510
sir. Good.

1624
01:47:06,990 --> 01:47:10,350
Thank you very much, sir. Here's
here it is. I have it here.

1625
01:47:10,410 --> 01:47:11,190
Do you find it? Yeah, I'm

1626
01:47:11,190 --> 01:47:16,170
going to put this in the in the
show notes. 200 you want to hear

1627
01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:20,610
these? Wait, wait, let me see if
the service so 7777 is not in

1628
01:47:20,610 --> 01:47:24,600
there. That's a striper boost.
Because that's religious members

1629
01:47:24,630 --> 01:47:27,600
it's religious numbers right the
perfect numbers perfect number

1630
01:47:27,690 --> 01:47:32,340
Yeah. Oh my goodness. There's
there's a whole bunch here. But

1631
01:47:32,340 --> 01:47:39,060
the Jenny booths like the Jenny
boost is my favorite 8675309

1632
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:47,610
Macintosh and it's 500 SATs and
he says sweet episode this week

1633
01:47:47,610 --> 01:47:51,360
grit. Great interview with
Oscar. Thanks for all you to do

1634
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:52,230
go podcasting.

1635
01:47:52,890 --> 01:47:54,000
Podcasting. Thank you

1636
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:04,500
see floydian slips love that
name. Gave us 3456 sets and he

1637
01:48:04,500 --> 01:48:07,770
says I would like to welcome you
to listen to my podcast, cooking

1638
01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:08,580
with AI Wait,

1639
01:48:08,610 --> 01:48:09,540
no.

1640
01:48:11,550 --> 01:48:15,180
Comics your blogger here.
Different app or something?

1641
01:48:15,330 --> 01:48:18,630
No, this he's doing it backwards
cooking with AI instead of a

1642
01:48:18,780 --> 01:48:20,790
cookie. Wait. Oh, I

1643
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:22,980
see. Okay, this is a joke. I
like it.

1644
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:26,040
It's called podcasting for value
one idiots attempt to start a

1645
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:31,320
value for value podcast. Thank
you. We just solved the

1646
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:36,210
discovery problem with the boost
segment. Two Yes, absolutely.

1647
01:48:36,210 --> 01:48:37,470
This is a huge win.

1648
01:48:37,530 --> 01:48:42,600
Of course we we've had three so
far that you can listen to Sir

1649
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,800
Shanna the Allegheny Valley aka
Sean McCune through cast ematic

1650
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:51,690
since 1000 says sisters
censorship resistant boosts

1651
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:59,640
boost boost boost. Boost boost.
Let's see is that coming

1652
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:06,900
straight blogger came in. Twice.
So I'll flip that one to the

1653
01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:10,110
end. Martin from pot friend Hey,
Martin

1654
01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:10,620
fast.

1655
01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:15,750
Mr. Martin 4444 SAS and he says
I love seeing all the

1656
01:49:15,780 --> 01:49:18,810
advancements people are doing
the 2.0 space. Let's give all

1657
01:49:18,810 --> 01:49:20,640
the people in the trenches a big
applause

1658
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:28,620
right thanks, Martin. How's it
going, man, we want to know how

1659
01:49:28,620 --> 01:49:32,130
you doing? How's How's the
family? How's the house? Yeah.

1660
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,860
How's the how's the gaming he
wasn't doing gaming stuff?

1661
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,280
Yeah, he's written an old school
a big gamer. He shows up on the

1662
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,250
in the dev meetings quite often.
Close get to catch her within

1663
01:49:41,250 --> 01:49:48,750
there is a we got a cape since
1033 SATs and he says fountain

1664
01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:49,260
boost.

1665
01:49:49,290 --> 01:49:52,740
Thank you very much. Boost.

1666
01:49:54,570 --> 01:49:58,470
Let's see. Karen is back again
with mer motors podcast nice and

1667
01:49:58,470 --> 01:50:03,300
as 1223 sets And he says Adam
with regards to your V four v

1668
01:50:03,300 --> 01:50:06,960
manifesto and people wanting to
know more the first season of

1669
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,300
the value for value podcast
covered most of the philosophy

1670
01:50:09,300 --> 01:50:12,690
behind what you've created. I've
also just now started a second

1671
01:50:12,690 --> 01:50:15,690
season where I'll highlight
clips from other value for value

1672
01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:16,920
podcasts This is a great idea

1673
01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:20,760
because you already had this
exists I think so I think he

1674
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:25,290
just launched it's called the
value for value podcast. He had

1675
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:28,740
he had a first season that he
just had a few episodes I think

1676
01:50:28,740 --> 01:50:32,280
and he gave up on it and I think
he's coming back with a

1677
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,010
different format where he's
playing clips from other value

1678
01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:37,200
via with other visa vie shows

1679
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:40,590
is it could titled value for
podcasting value for value is

1680
01:50:40,590 --> 01:50:41,340
that what is titled

1681
01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:45,480
I think it's just called Value
space for fo our space value

1682
01:50:45,570 --> 01:50:49,860
value for our Why have I not
been interviewed on this

1683
01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:50,550
podcast?

1684
01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:53,400
I don't know. Just

1685
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:58,110
got back in action baby. He says
okay, subscribed.

1686
01:51:01,230 --> 01:51:03,720
And I showcase how different
people are implementing the

1687
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,140
model send a boost to that show
or the mere mortals if you want

1688
01:51:07,140 --> 01:51:12,240
a feature. I just think this is
great. That great coolness

1689
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:17,760
format Yeah, it's cross is cross
podcast promotion with that.

1690
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:21,990
What always gets me though, I
must be subscribed to this

1691
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:26,190
because I had this problem with
curio caster. It's like, like,

1692
01:51:26,190 --> 01:51:29,310
where's the subscribe button?
Oh, here it is. Boom. Okay,

1693
01:51:29,610 --> 01:51:34,860
boom. That big blue button.
Yeah. Okay. Subscribe. Cool.

1694
01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:35,700
Thanks.

1695
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:41,190
Here comes through blogger.
There is a limiter there is 1033

1696
01:51:41,190 --> 01:51:46,560
sets he's up to because of
inflation. Batty, Dave and AC.

1697
01:51:46,620 --> 01:51:49,890
Are you ready for the
Eurovision? 2022 final tomorrow.

1698
01:51:49,919 --> 01:51:51,659
Oh man, am I ever

1699
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,040
Russia is banned. So as much
less fun. Well, thank you for

1700
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,620
your service to podcasting in
your audience as invited to

1701
01:51:58,620 --> 01:52:01,020
listen to your pod to our
podcast about artificial

1702
01:52:01,020 --> 01:52:04,170
intelligence. Oh, really? Read
read is if you heard of this

1703
01:52:04,170 --> 01:52:08,760
book at the time. Gregory Well,
it's read is read by Gregory

1704
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:11,340
William Forsythe Foreman from
Kent. Oh, that's the guy who has

1705
01:52:11,340 --> 01:52:16,860
some pubs? Yeah, and the guy on
nogen social.com. at GW FF Yeah.

1706
01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:20,610
GDSN just enter AI dot cooking
in your web browser or in

1707
01:52:20,610 --> 01:52:23,820
podcasting. 1.0 or in
podcasting. 2.0 app. Yo,

1708
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:28,020
yo, yo. Thank you very much.
CSB.

1709
01:52:28,410 --> 01:52:34,380
Appreciate the monthly donors.
Okay, dynamite. Have you heard

1710
01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:37,410
of this app? Pod verse.

1711
01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:39,990
I have heard of pod verse. It's
it's pretty good.

1712
01:52:40,650 --> 01:52:41,490
It is pretty good.

1713
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:42,600
All right.

1714
01:52:47,610 --> 01:52:48,900
Oh, right.

1715
01:52:48,930 --> 01:52:50,790
Nice. Thank you, Mitch,

1716
01:52:51,180 --> 01:52:55,140
in coming in. I mean, coming in
tight. close on the heels.

1717
01:52:55,140 --> 01:52:57,990
There's another guy named Mitch
down. He was $10 a month. And

1718
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:59,850
who's this guy? This is so

1719
01:52:59,850 --> 01:53:02,340
nice. That's my personal
donation.

1720
01:53:02,370 --> 01:53:06,000
And thank you, ma'am. Yeah, so
let's really appreciate Mitch,

1721
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:06,210
thank

1722
01:53:06,210 --> 01:53:09,150
you. I'm not trying to double
dip here with the two shoutouts.

1723
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:12,540
No, condense it into a $60
donation?

1724
01:53:12,780 --> 01:53:14,100
No, no, no, don't do that. Thank

1725
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:14,850
you very much.

1726
01:53:16,050 --> 01:53:21,030
Alice gates $25 to the gas
consultant. Thank you, sir.

1727
01:53:22,260 --> 01:53:26,040
highlighted today because of the
great work with a live item and

1728
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:27,690
pod paying on pot for and

1729
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:30,990
future live stream of the board
meeting at least from this part

1730
01:53:30,990 --> 01:53:34,170
with the no agenda tube? I hope.

1731
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,160
Yes. These types. These these.
Monica when we call Alex, the

1732
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:42,570
podcast consultant. We're not
kidding. We mean it literally is

1733
01:53:42,570 --> 01:53:47,760
the podcast continues.
Podcasting 2.0 consultant, David

1734
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,400
Norman. It's good to see David
back. He's popping in and out

1735
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,380
now. Yeah, I still haven't

1736
01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:55,830
seen his new studio back end. I
think drivers using it and if

1737
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:58,320
they're trouble if they're
debugging and stuff, but I'm

1738
01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,220
excited about it.

1739
01:54:00,060 --> 01:54:04,350
$25 Thank you, Dave hybrid
catcher.com Lauren ballgames.

1740
01:54:04,350 --> 01:54:07,830
$24.20 Thank you, Lauren.
Thanks, Lauren. always

1741
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:09,990
appreciated. Paul Saltzman

1742
01:54:11,250 --> 01:54:12,240
22 Yep.

1743
01:54:12,810 --> 01:54:18,630
No ducks. Thank you, Paul. Derek
J Vickery. Great name $21 Thank

1744
01:54:18,630 --> 01:54:24,330
you. Darren Carrick. Damon
Castle Jack $15 Jeremy

1745
01:54:24,330 --> 01:54:31,710
Kavanaugh. $10 Christopher hora,
Barack $10 Sir Soren molar $5

1746
01:54:31,710 --> 01:54:35,490
Terry killer $5 Jeffrey,
Retford, $5 and CRISPR cow and

1747
01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:37,020
$5. That's our group.

1748
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,390
Thank you all so much,
particularly these monthlies is

1749
01:54:39,390 --> 01:54:42,780
highly appreciated, really is.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1750
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:47,520
You can also consider using the
command line boost, put it on,

1751
01:54:48,150 --> 01:54:52,020
put it on a cron job that works
for us to pay pal may be easier

1752
01:54:52,020 --> 01:54:55,380
for you. Thank you all for
supporting the project for

1753
01:54:55,380 --> 01:54:58,920
supporting the show and making
us feel like it all makes sense

1754
01:54:58,950 --> 01:55:04,110
and it does And so with that,
I'm going to immediately touch

1755
01:55:04,110 --> 01:55:08,790
the third rail. Oh, how you
doing with fixing that capture

1756
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:14,490
Dave? It is done. It is a works.
Oh man, you just gotta give me

1757
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:18,990
just gotta give me the bottom
line. I'm what that was, like

1758
01:55:18,990 --> 01:55:22,320
that was broken for days. That's
not a Dave Jones type thing when

1759
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,330
it's broken for days what
happened?

1760
01:55:24,570 --> 01:55:27,390
Okay, Mitch, you're going to, I
don't know, if you're going to

1761
01:55:27,390 --> 01:55:29,850
commiserate with me, or if
you're just going to think I'm

1762
01:55:29,850 --> 01:55:37,890
an idiot, but maybe a little
both the. So I just know nothing

1763
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:45,570
about Webpack in and like in
React and I literally don't know

1764
01:55:45,570 --> 01:55:51,360
what I'm doing at all. I know
node, I'm comfortable with Node

1765
01:55:52,170 --> 01:55:55,320
Webpack is always been a
complete mystery to me, it's

1766
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:58,710
like, you run a command. And
then a bunch of magic happens

1767
01:55:58,710 --> 01:56:03,810
and this stuff just works. And
so then what Steven crater had

1768
01:56:03,810 --> 01:56:09,240
done. And, and I'm so thankful
for, for his work on that he had

1769
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,960
gotten in and just cleaned up a
lot of stuff on the site and put

1770
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:19,800
in, he had built the AD AD feed
page. So where people could sell

1771
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,770
service, add their feed to the
index, and he had a CAPTCHA on

1772
01:56:22,770 --> 01:56:27,900
it, you know, sort of a
protection. So the CAPTCHA needs

1773
01:56:27,900 --> 01:56:31,440
a site key, which is like a big
Gu ID and it's unique for each

1774
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:32,850
site that you put the CAPTCHA
on,

1775
01:56:32,879 --> 01:56:35,969
so that you can train the AI
with all your stupid CAPTCHA

1776
01:56:35,969 --> 01:56:36,419
class.

1777
01:56:37,140 --> 01:56:42,600
Yeah, and so the, the site key,
you don't really want to hard

1778
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:47,760
code that into the, you know,
into the page, you really want

1779
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:50,370
that to be a separate value,
because if somebody, if you're

1780
01:56:50,370 --> 01:56:52,320
going to run it, somebody else
is going to download the code

1781
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,660
and run it, they want a
different psyche, you don't want

1782
01:56:54,660 --> 01:56:57,210
to happen, because the end and
also then where every time you

1783
01:56:57,210 --> 01:57:03,330
do a code update, or do a git
pull it overwrites with yours

1784
01:57:03,330 --> 01:57:05,970
your stuff anyway, you want that
value to be to live somewhere

1785
01:57:05,970 --> 01:57:09,750
else. And it will be great if it
lived in the dot E and V file

1786
01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:12,060
with all the with all the rest
of the environment variables.

1787
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:13,380
That's where I like it.

1788
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:15,120
Right in the end,

1789
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:18,420
to get right in the end, is

1790
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:26,820
right up in there. So we put
the, put it in there. And then

1791
01:57:26,820 --> 01:57:30,810
I'm expecting it to just to be
able to just reference it with

1792
01:57:30,930 --> 01:57:35,490
with the process dot E and V
dot, the variable name or the

1793
01:57:35,490 --> 01:57:40,830
constant name. And it just No,
it just doesn't, it doesn't

1794
01:57:40,830 --> 01:57:48,480
work. Well, then you and Steven
B. Both told me on the on the

1795
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:52,260
mastodon that we should be it
should be using like Dotty and v

1796
01:57:52,290 --> 01:57:56,220
dot v and v and NPM package. And
that's supposed to like expose

1797
01:57:56,820 --> 01:58:00,480
these variables into your
process dot E and V when they're

1798
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:05,310
normally not there. This is all
like, this is all like a

1799
01:58:05,310 --> 01:58:07,140
different language to me. I
mean, it's like you're just

1800
01:58:07,140 --> 01:58:10,650
speaking in Russian because I
don't understand even what the

1801
01:58:10,650 --> 01:58:13,650
difference is between what's
going on with node and Webpack.

1802
01:58:13,650 --> 01:58:15,780
And everything. This is

1803
01:58:15,780 --> 01:58:18,930
some of the trickiest parts of
React anything that involves web

1804
01:58:19,050 --> 01:58:22,950
pack, because that's like
compiling, and pulling in

1805
01:58:22,980 --> 01:58:25,620
variables and stuff like that.
So you do have to be careful not

1806
01:58:25,620 --> 01:58:29,970
to expose the private variables.
But that's the beautiful thing

1807
01:58:29,970 --> 01:58:33,900
about podcasts index dot social
is that there's people there

1808
01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:37,380
that are happy to help and
totally guide through this

1809
01:58:37,380 --> 01:58:38,010
process.

1810
01:58:38,850 --> 01:58:41,730
Summer says versus what is
deemed Jennifer has to say about

1811
01:58:41,730 --> 01:58:42,960
all web pack talk.

1812
01:58:47,070 --> 01:58:49,320
She doesn't have she doesn't she
only has math.

1813
01:58:50,970 --> 01:58:58,920
It's so when you talk math.
Thanks. Dry. Talk math to me.

1814
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:04,590
Oh, man. That was that was
heavy. We banned that one. We

1815
01:59:04,590 --> 01:59:07,110
might have banned. Sorry. I
think we

1816
01:59:08,220 --> 01:59:14,100
did. Yeah, that's, yeah, we're
getting the platform. So So I

1817
01:59:14,100 --> 01:59:18,180
finally figured out if it
finally sort of conceptually

1818
01:59:18,180 --> 01:59:27,450
made sense to me, and I realized
that Webpack is not running with

1819
01:59:27,450 --> 01:59:35,040
node. It's, it's compiling to
it's, it's compiling static

1820
01:59:35,070 --> 01:59:38,610
HTML, and Java is compiling into
static HTML and JavaScript. So

1821
01:59:38,610 --> 01:59:42,720
when you run Webpack, you're
building the you're building a

1822
01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:45,720
static site, which node then
serves?

1823
01:59:48,060 --> 01:59:49,980
Yes, that sounds right. Yeah.
Welcome.

1824
01:59:51,060 --> 01:59:55,680
Welcome before Welcome to What
everybody knew 12 years ago. And

1825
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,640
so once I realized that then I'm
like, Ah, da, no wonder you

1826
01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:04,320
can't Put, you can't reference
process study and V variables

1827
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:07,230
because there there is no
process dot E and V like it's

1828
02:00:07,260 --> 02:00:11,640
it's not there, because it's a
static website. And it can't

1829
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:15,180
reference it for the static
code. So anyway, so then I went

1830
02:00:15,180 --> 02:00:19,020
back and finally figured out,
okay, there's this other package

1831
02:00:19,020 --> 02:00:22,200
called Dotty and v dash Webpack.
And then blah, blah, blah, and,

1832
02:00:22,650 --> 02:00:28,530
and now we're all good. And that
only that process was a was a a

1833
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,010
svelte four days of work, so
that's great.

1834
02:00:33,930 --> 02:00:36,960
That's what it felt like to us,
too. I loved all the emails

1835
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:42,120
coming into to it was an info
word podcast. index.org Hey,

1836
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:47,490
man. It's just broken man fixer
shit. I love those I love.

1837
02:00:47,940 --> 02:00:50,310
I didn't know anybody even used
it. And like evidently, like

1838
02:00:50,310 --> 02:00:52,740
100,000 People use this page.
Well,

1839
02:00:52,740 --> 02:00:55,590
that's the beauty of it. I mean,
a lot of people are using that.

1840
02:00:55,590 --> 02:00:58,800
There's a lot. There's a lot
going on. I was quite pleased to

1841
02:00:58,800 --> 02:00:59,670
see all that.

1842
02:01:00,270 --> 02:01:04,770
Yeah. And I was like, you know,
I refused to just go in there

1843
02:01:04,770 --> 02:01:07,530
and hard code it just to fix it.
I'm like, No, I'm doing this the

1844
02:01:07,530 --> 02:01:08,310
right very good.

1845
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:16,890
Hardcore, hardcore, Dave Jones.
Love that. Okay. All right.

1846
02:01:17,220 --> 02:01:22,110
And personally, I want to
personally say apologies to

1847
02:01:22,110 --> 02:01:26,400
Mitch, for dropping you
inadvertently off of new podcast

1848
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:32,190
apps.com Oh, noes, which is is
now fixed. But you the app was

1849
02:01:32,190 --> 02:01:35,310
not shown because the filters
were set wrong. And that's,

1850
02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:38,370
that's fixed now. Okay. Sorry.
Oh,

1851
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:42,180
no problem. And now accessible
now accessible through new

1852
02:01:42,210 --> 02:01:47,730
podcast. apps.com. If you
prefer, Mitch, thank you so

1853
02:01:47,730 --> 02:01:50,850
much, man, not just for being
here on on a Friday. But for

1854
02:01:50,850 --> 02:01:53,430
everything you do the leap of
faith you took and podcasting

1855
02:01:53,430 --> 02:01:58,350
2.0 is incredibly commendable
and highly appreciated. I really

1856
02:01:58,350 --> 02:01:59,190
love what you're doing.

1857
02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:02,370
Oh, no problem. I love that you
guys came around and started

1858
02:02:02,370 --> 02:02:06,540
this, this is the most exciting
thing I've ever worked on. And

1859
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:12,510
your the app is going far beyond
anything I imagined because of

1860
02:02:12,540 --> 02:02:15,060
all these new features that are
being brought into podcasting.

1861
02:02:15,060 --> 02:02:18,420
2.0. So thank you guys and
everybody in the community.

1862
02:02:18,630 --> 02:02:22,980
Yeah. Also, I use sovereign
feeds. I have a Lightning

1863
02:02:22,980 --> 02:02:25,860
Network Address now. Oh, good.
About two minutes. Yes. You're

1864
02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:27,900
gonna send that to me? Yes, I

1865
02:02:27,900 --> 02:02:31,350
put it in the IRC chat echo that
scrolled off a long time ago.

1866
02:02:31,860 --> 02:02:34,950
All right. Just put on the email
or something. That'd be awkward

1867
02:02:34,950 --> 02:02:39,120
if you could even do it on
social anywhere, because you can

1868
02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:41,220
you can post that publicly.
Okay.

1869
02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:45,930
I want to save in, you know,
give gift, pod versus tribe

1870
02:02:45,930 --> 02:02:51,540
because pod pod verse. One knock
that we hear from time to time

1871
02:02:51,540 --> 02:02:54,750
about podcasting. 2.0 apps is
because of because we're

1872
02:02:54,750 --> 02:02:57,300
building this is all sausage
being made. It's all running

1873
02:02:57,300 --> 02:03:00,420
with scissors. You know, it's
things are buggy. I mean, this

1874
02:03:00,420 --> 02:03:04,440
is all new, new code and things.
Things don't have the spit and

1875
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:08,730
polish that you know, and
podcast apps that have been

1876
02:03:08,730 --> 02:03:13,560
around for 10 plus years do and
but you know, pod verse is

1877
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:17,130
stable. It's a very it's a
stable app that rarely messes up

1878
02:03:17,130 --> 02:03:19,260
and it's got every feature you
can think and

1879
02:03:19,260 --> 02:03:24,570
I use it on the on the graphene
OS and I have my my own node

1880
02:03:24,570 --> 02:03:28,320
hooked up to it. Not into my own
wallet apps or not. No, but I

1881
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:32,160
have a wallet hooked up to it.
It works perfectly. Yeah. Loving

1882
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:35,550
it. Thanks, guys. Yes, thank
you, everybody in the chat room.

1883
02:03:35,550 --> 02:03:39,390
Thank you. Of course, Steven B
for curieux Castro and sovereign

1884
02:03:39,390 --> 02:03:42,180
feeds and your assistance,
everybody. Thank you so much,

1885
02:03:42,210 --> 02:03:45,330
Dave. Thank you my friend. Thank
you, my brother. Well, thank you

1886
02:03:45,330 --> 02:03:48,510
so much. That's it everybody.
That is your board meeting. We

1887
02:03:48,510 --> 02:03:52,350
will return next week. And we
might be on the summer schedule

1888
02:03:52,350 --> 02:03:54,690
soon. So make sure you join us
for the board meeting of

1889
02:03:54,690 --> 02:03:56,250
podcasting 2.0.

1890
02:04:11,610 --> 02:04:16,170
You have been listening to
podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast

1891
02:04:16,170 --> 02:04:18,690
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1892
02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:21,690
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