podcasting 2.0 For April 29 2020, to Episode 83. This
week we're pushing paper. That's right. Sometimes you get one of
those admin weeks. Don't worry, we'll bore you with that.
Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 The official board meeting of
podcasting 2.0 we discuss everything happening with the
podcasting namespace podcast. index.org And of course, there's
a lot going on to podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here
in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. He's a
guy with a motorcycle for sale on Ebay, my friend on the other
end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
It's a parks bike.
Six fixer upper, mild fixer
upper, the entire front end, the front half. If you have a front
half, I have a backcast Oh my
goodness. Dave. How is Grant doing? How's it easy? Okay.
Yeah, he got he's doing good. No. Pain, pain management
completely under control. He's good. He's only on Tylenol.
Oh, that's very, very quick, actually.
Yeah, that the dogs were pretty, pretty pleased about that.
Because they like, you know, I was terrified. Yeah, I watched
you
were thinking of opioids. Yeah. As you watch dope sick. You like
holy crap. Yeah. Very good.
Yeah, you watch dope sick, and then you go to the hospital. And
everybody at the hospital gives you the on a one to 10 Tell me
what your pain is. And I'm like,
right, so they have the little chart with the smiley faces in
there. Oh, man. Isn't that sick?
It is. It is. I mean, like, once you watch that show you it makes
you so paranoid. Yeah.
But you're a great dad. So he's safe.
Yeah, even in his worst pain. I just gave him Tylenol. No, I
didn't do
and it took here. Come on, let's be honest about that. Boy, yeah.
You are listening, by the way to two very tired men right now in
case you're just tuning into podcasting. 2.0 Episode 83. Is
Well, I mean, you're tired man. Because you've been you know,
just been through a lot in the past two weeks with your with
your kids accident. And it was the busiest time to time. We all
know leave Dave alone is when his kid gets an accident, which
of course will never be forgiven. No, ever, ever AM. And
then I record. Sorry. So on your permanent record, permanent
record, yes. And I was often in New York for my dad's internment
and a family reunion. And now, it's really really fun. But um,
you know, a lot of energy just being in New York by itself.
Like,
ah, so tell me tell me about New York. I mean, so it was. I've
never been really? Yeah, I've never been to New York been at
the state at all. So do you. When was the last time you had
been to armant
the last time I was in Armonk, wow. A long time ago? Probably a
good eight years ago. And Armand is, you know, north of New York
City. It's kind of Westchester, Connecticut, right. You could
probably you in fact, you drive two minutes, you're in
Connecticut. Okay. And that's where the homestead is that my
family has lived in since 1929. And my uncle still lives there.
His his wife passed away about six, seven weeks ago. The middle
Patton cemetery is where everyone's buried. You know,
it's it's a real thing in the curry clan. Sorry, wing. Yeah.
Yes, exactly. Exactly. And that was great. Because my cousins
came in and of course, my sisters came in from Holland
from Italy. Christina came in from Holland. She actually came
back with us to Texas. She's here until Monday, just to Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Because she hadn't been out here. And I haven't
seen her for 10 months since her birthday. So it's, yeah, it's
the last time she was in the States. Oh,
it was, huh. I would say good four years ago. And her
boyfriend could not come for this server. Well, I would say
almost fiance, because, you know, he got the first. The
first vaccination starts to develop myocarditis. He's like,
No, I'm gonna do that. Oh, yeah, he stopped right away. And of
course,
is when he falls into the category of fucky
fucky fucky. Very much. You're not allowed in the country.
That's that's the category he fits into. Yeah. So anyway, so
that, you know, it's just been busy. And then coming back in,
you know, we're, we're, we've had some administrative changes.
So for a whole bunch of reasons that are boring. I'm opening
like a bank account here in Texas. moving some of the LLC
stuff over here, and I have no business doing this.
You have as much Business opening bank accounts and do an
LLC stuff as I do writing Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.
Exactly. But it I love it because I know why we're doing
it. It's all good. But it's actually I have someone lined up
who wants to help us, Danny, who's the no agenda producer.
And, you know, I had a chat with him. We had some email, we
talked on the phone. And, you know, he's, he's, I think he's,
I gave him a podcast index on social invite. And he's
committed to definitely helping us out, you know, through this
transition, get everything set up. But I've just like, you
know, I would this was already underway, and I thought it was
already done. But now I need a certificate from the state of
Texas. And it's all this, all this stuff. But anyway, I'm
really excited about Danny coming to help us win. I think
that his nickname will be debit card. Danny, was my was my. Now,
you indeed, you know, since I got back, it's like, oh, here's
some terms of service and like to do to have a lawyer look at
it. You're like, not couldn't look at it. That's he's a
lawyer.
He's the podcast logging
lawyers. That sounds good to me. Well,
it said that, you know, I knew, here's, here's the way this
thinking goes. This was just me cutting it off, like, go ahead
and get into the meat of it before it started. Right. So
what I did was, I thought, Okay, let's see, if we write a privacy
policy, and then put it out there. Cridland is immediately
going to look at it and pick it apart. So I'm gonna send it to
him ahead of time. Yes. And saving the Safe, safe one step.
Great idea.
I'm all for perfect, perfect, and he won't criticize his own
work. So if he rewrote half of it, I'm like, Hey, we're good
right now, but I think it turned out great. I appreciate what he
did. Because he, he expanded, he expanded it to cover some things
that I had not thought of, and then did, like, made it made it
better for the EU ish, right. And all that, I think, I think
we're in good shape.
Excellent, by the way. So I spent a lot of time getting
everything set up for this show. So we're live, I did the
pending, the pending tag in vice versa, sovereign feeds is kick
ass. The stuff that Steven B is doing improving this interface
is really I mean, he's just doing iteration through
iteration and making the experience better smarter. And
it's really good because I am that guy. Cool. screw up
everything. So I you know, I did the pending tag for our for our
live item tags show that we're live. And so I know I got the
time, right? I change the episode numbers or change the
date, and I publish it and then of course, like, oh, it's still
pending or no, it's still it's ended. You didn't hit pending.
Okay, hit pending, to go through it again. Upload the feed. Okay,
hit the pod ping. We're good. Oh, it's the wrong date. It's
like March 20. Okay. Set it for today. Get it all set. I got the
PM. So Okay, finally, it's all good to go. We're good. But it's
cool because now you can see how an idiot can still mess up the
best interface or the or you know, user interface experience.
So I'm just really making sure the Steven knows everything I do
wrong because you have to stop. I mean, I'm a danger to myself.
It's so easy. It's so easy to mess it up. It really is. And
then I also added the boost bot to the live value block. Have
you followed the boost bot?
I had no idea what the boost but even then I
didn't know what it was either. Yeah, so I see this on the on
the mastodon. You add the boost bot to it with 1% split to your
live item tag. Your lot your live item. Value block. And in
anything over 100 sets. It I think it I think it shows up in
a chat room. I don't know if it shows up in our chat room. But
it also shoots it out on mastodon.
Yes. It's all I can go do it now.
Yeah, it shouldn't be it should be live. I mean as long I mean,
I pause here so as you say d3 Live. Now do you see the boost
bot in the value block? Can you see it? What are you using cast
thematic?
No, Nanda now I'm using curator Castro.
So should be in there.
If I click on 83 Live, oh, if I hit play on this, I'm going to
like feedback myself. That's not gonna. Not gonna be good. Do it?
Do it. I'm gonna do it. Do it.
Do it. Do it.
Boost one. Do I have 1000 SATs in my career? I guess. Surely I
do. Oh, I'm not logged in. I'm going to do this. I'm going to
do this at some point during the show. Okay, so this So this is
just boost the show and it comes back.
Yeah, it goes live into a chat room not sure where it's in the
chat room made Minebea I don't know what Chat Room button
because there's new I'm just like, I'd read through the
documentation like Okay, I just put this in and we'll see where
it goes. Apparently it's also boosting on Mastodon so if
people are in the now people are in the podcasting 2.0 Chat.
Oh, I see it. I see it on bass. Yeah, see it on the mastodon? Is
that now is that coming from? No agenda social.
Let me see. Oh, wait, there you go. Servo booster 2033 Looks
like it has two links, podcasts index.org. And that's the shores
feed and it links links to the Yeah. Well, that's interesting
linking to the RSS feed and that's from boost CLI. Okay,
and it says and there's another one through says metus boosted
with 1000s SASL via curio caster second this did it wow
this is running with scissors to the extreme this is running with
garden shears right now. I love it this is so cool.
Very good wow okay, so I know
I gotta Wow out of Dave everybody wow,
I knew that these things were under development all these
different connectors for everything but I haven't seen
them necessarily in real the last time I saw one little
running live was on the live that we did with Sir Spencer.
Oh no, this is ongoing effort. These people out of control.
They are I'm glad I found it. You know I saw Steven B's like
oh a boost bodice cooling boost bot What's this? What does this
use but you speak of
he say boost but you're gonna get some you're gonna get some
attention. Yeah, of course. It was like
the only boost bot I know is boost boost. That's my boost
bot. That's the only one
I want to do it now. They're gonna do it for me. Well, this
is only the live item though, right?
Yeah, but if you hit it Yeah, yeah. So it has to be curio
caster. I think you're right. Yeah, it's
not gonna show up and no, it won't show up.
So where is everybody? Where's everybody and getting in on the
fun? Hello, Roy corduroy. Hello, Roy. What are you doing Roy? Get
on this live item stuff Roy he was supposed to have a dedicated
person who was getting
who who does what does the most so far is caught in a loop. I
was trying to do this for so what what other? What other app
in your opinion is the most poised or primed for alive
support?
Well, it would be very disappointing if a fountain
didn't hop on the ship right away. I mean, these those guys
are way ahead of stuff right now. And Oscar's out of control
they have the hero I got the live with the beat being able to
I guess easily add your listeners blocks to the value
add everyone gets a wallet. Like oh my god, can we get to no
agenda artists to get one of these so I can just add them per
episode. You know, thanks for doing the art. Here's here's
some stats for here's just split.
So I want to know how this works. So that means anybody can
just show show up and enable their walk. Oh, okay. So as I
see what happened. So as long as you have a fountain account, you
have a wallet.
And the Yes, exact hatching Exactly, exactly.
And so what I'm thinking is it's probably it because it seems to
be using the lightning address theme, you know, where you can
attach like an email address looking thing to a lightning
address? Oh, yeah,
I don't know about I haven't I haven't actually looked at it. I
just saw the announcement and I believe it right away yeah, yes.
I got a busy life. Dave. I have things to do here. Well, let me
just presumed it worked.
I'm sure you're right. I want to look at this though. I don't
know I'm gonna get to Kevin Brooks show Oh,
yeah. Kiss Oh, show not only is so if you're not on if you're
not hip to sovereign feed sovereign feeds.com This is
really where you get to play around and you get to mess with
I mean, it's so cool to create the feed with all these
different features. And I'm even at the point where we change the
metadata stuff that no one ever does if you're podcasting like
that stuff is just stuck in time forever. Thank well was here
anyway, let me just give it a quick review. So nice. And also,
you know, what's also David normal hypercare tree all of a
sudden, David Norman. Do he has like eight kids comes back. And
then boom, there's a new version of hyper Kassar?
Yeah, hyper Kitchen Studio 2.0. Yeah, nice. It looks like an
eight bit Marvel. Yeah, that looks so do you said drag has
been testing it? Yeah. What is the what is the killer feature
of hyper captured Studio 2.0?
Dave, I have no idea drag is testing it. I'm not gonna test
that drag is our expert. I have no idea.
All I do is I don't have metal in his business.
No way. I but I don't have I mean, I still log into HyperCard
your studio to set up the first kind of fake chapter. But it's
not 2.0. So I'm not in the club. I have not been given access to
2.0. I am extremely curious about the what does he call it
like magic chapters or auto chapters? Yes, he has some kind
of AI stuff. And I know dreadd has been experimenting with that
as well. This isn't these are incredible development. We need
a PR team.
Oh, I thought we already had one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Daniel J.
Lewis. I thought that was
Daniel J. Lewis. Love that guy. Alright, let me see.
So here it is. Is most awesome underneath stuff license? Some
platform changes like flat. No. Jas, manual deployments. Okay,
so he's doing some some sort of underneath the hood things. He
says I've also added a player in the chapter editor that will
autofill the time marker as Adam suggested long ago.
I'm glad I suggested that. I don't know what that means.
You don't remember what you suggested. But you did have a
time marker? Uh, huh. Says
I really don't remember.
Yeah, there's a player. I'm looking at the screenshot.
There's a player in the chapter editor. Hmm.
Right. I Yeah. Okay, both just UI stuff. But if drab is working
with it, dribs gonna get it right. I'm not worried about it
at all.
And he said, I mentioned to him that was going to support the
location functionality. So you put locations into chapters? And
he said, Yes. To this on his tool, it to my knowledge will be
the first the first tool that exists that will
take advantage of location location. Yeah.
Because we talked about that for a long time where you could do
like a, you know, maybe you're doing a podcast about a
particular like a war or something and you want to give
pick a war, any war, there's plenty. Or you want
and, you know, you want to pinpoint this episode, we're
excuse me this, this part of the episode from minute to minute
20. You were talking about Armani. Armani. Yeah. Maha
Marma. And then the next. You know, few minutes you're talking
about? New Jersey?
Exactly. That's the way that's really the way it should be
used. That's fantastic. Again, those maps out FM guys, they're
circling around when we give no love, because I don't understand
any of it.
Well, am I wrong? cred? Listen, he was on their board or
something. What?
Yeah. Oh, man. Guys everywhere.
Unless I'm nuts. I mean, I think that's true. So yeah, they
shouldn't be conditioned. Bring them into the fold
here. Because the guy keeps popping up saying, hey, here I
am. Interesting. You think James would do that? Let me see. Well,
that's just so you know, what really is there's too much going
on, and can't keep up with it. And you. You basically been
spending the week catching up, right? Yeah, right. We're
excited to introduce those tickets. We're excited to
introduce to industry leaders as our new advisors, James
Kirtland, editor of the Daily pod news and EVO Tara, co author
of podcasting for dummies.
They're both pals of the pod. Yeah,
they will tell us what to do powers of the pod. Tell us what
to advise advise someone on something perfect.
We're at your disposal.
All right. I'm sorry. I interrupted you. You catching up
on everything.
Did you interrupt me? Oh, yeah, I guess you do. Well, yeah.
Yeah, just catching up on emails. I had like, you know,
100 Something emails to catch up on. And it I think I'm getting
I'm getting close. But I had a couple of through had a lot of
like, just me know, a my feeds messed up, hey, this, right,
good, hey, blah, blah, blah, just a bunch of that kind of
jazz. But then there was a few things. I talked to a hosting
company this week about potentially doing some
integration with us and do an auto submit. It was interesting
conversation because we were talking about like terms of
service that that's what got me on the terms of service privacy
policy. Okay, and for the record If are all that stuff, Terms of
Service privacy policy, and everything is on GitHub. Now,
there's a repo called legal UI. So if you go to the
github.com/pockets, index Dash org, and go to legal, there's
our Privacy Policy and Terms of Service, I'm going to put it
there and just link to the stuff there. From our website, it's
easier to edit. On so
our terms of service may change from time to time,
it will, it may, and we will alert you if
we want to alert you, we don't have to alert you.
My goal is to never email anybody ever for any reason.
So a new podcast host that would be auto submitting, when that
just be a pod ping.
We'll see. Okay, so that's what I was gonna say thank you. Z, is
we talked about it for a little while, and they were, they were
telling me well, you know, we were looking at the terms and,
you know, if we're, if you just find our feeds and suck a man,
you know, that's, that's fine. That's one thing. But if we
actively push to you, we need to review your terms and make sure
that everything's kosher with legal and yeah, and, you know,
it's like, Okay, it's good. I mean, it's fine. Makes sense.
And
we, we, we retain James Cridland, so we're fine. No
problem.
Yes, that's right. on retainer, and the so then a little bit
through, I was like, Well, you know, I mean, really, an easier
thing to do is just send a pod pain. If you do that every time,
then we we get every feed, it's just like an auto submit. And
everybody else gets it, too.
Yeah, everybody wins. Yeah. And they say yes.
They said, We're gonna push for that. So. Uh huh.
We have higher ups to convince.
I think so more legal? I don't know. I don't know how that
stuff works. I was there's always higher ups to convince
unless you're us, and there's only two of
us, right? We are the highest, the bucks, the buck stops here.
Yeah. So I mean, in a regular business that has meetings, I'm
assuming there's higher ups. But it's cool, though, because that
worked out perfectly like because we were thinking, you've
been thinking the whole time. Okay, well, this kills two birds
with one stone. And then you really don't have to worry about
Terms of Service, right?
You're just telling the world hey, we're out here and
everybody else can pick it up. And that's exactly the same
thing, as you know, as someone else ingesting I agree.
Yeah. I mean, like, you're just throwing it out there. And then
whoever, it's like, the, you know, it's like, well, you know,
I'm not giving this to you. But I'm just gonna leave it right
here on the coffee table. And if you happen to find if
you see it by any chance, just pick it up, you know, yeah,
ingest that. It's good.
Excellent. So, yeah. Anyway, that's, that's, that was a good
conversation. And that's, I'm going to get another couple of
people to talk to you this next week as well on similar things.
So there's a lot of, it's funny, it's funny how this thing goes
through phases where you have like, a lot of DEV work. And
then for a little while, you have a bunch of admin stuff. And
then for a little while, you have a bunch of like, talking to
people and then it goes back to the desk. It goes through these
like cycles. Sure, sure. I think I think you dev a lot and you
code a lot and all that kind of stuff. pleat. If I ever say dev
as a verb began, please yeah, but
I think I was Devon the other day, you know, thinking of you.
Like, Oh, I love definitely think of Dave
That's one step away from calling a calling your position
that you're recruiting for a ninja.
Right big superstar. Superstar.
Super. Customer Support. Sherpa.
Oh, goodness. Well, I do like customer support. No Customer
Success representative. Doesn't bus that bus? I love that.
Customer Success consultant. How're you doing? It is very
good.
Yeah, so what we get there? I mean, there's a bunch of yes
budget, that kind of stuff going on bunch of just just talking in
typing,
which is good. And we you know, there's a dizzy conversation
which, you know, we started a few episodes ago, which kind of
of course Daniel J. Lewis brought it back in typical
fashion. Hey, are we calling this thing podcast standard?
Now? What is that all about? And this sparked off a great
conversation which I gladly remove myself from just
watching. Of course, just watching this like, Okay,
where's this going? And it's kind of interesting, because I I
really thought that kind of separating the podcast namespace
and giving it its own name is what was desired.
But not only not know now,
podcasting 2.0 seems to be a very important brand to
everybody. Or maybe maybe I'm, maybe I'm not reading it right.
But it's been really interesting to see this and, and to a
certain degree, I'm also looking at this, like, hey, was there
like 10 years of this, that people just talking about this
stuff? Because, you know, meanwhile, there's an actual
namespace and everything's ready to go, how do we get it out to
people? You know, what is the priority? Isn't it to get as
many posts as possible to at least adopt one feature? Because
once they include the namespace, then, you know, then it's,
you've already gotten over such a big hump. Now,
you know, this goes back to the old to sort of my old adage,
when people start arguing about thing about things. It's time to
stop talking and just go build something. Yeah. And I think it
is, I was looking earlier, I was actually grabbing a copy. And
daughter is doing a report for school on Ukraine. And I was
grabbing a copy of calls out the causality episode on Chernobyl
for her. Uh huh. And I'm looking at, I'm looking at looking at
John 2g site. And he has up there this big badge on his
website, this says, podcast into one a certified Oh, nice, and
it's beautiful. And I thought, you know, maybe we're, maybe we
don't worry, maybe we don't rebrand things, maybe, maybe,
maybe it's good enough as it is. I mean, like, it's, it's a
pretty little badge, and it makes sense. And I don't know,
um, you know, it'd be, there's buildings.
So just viewing it from an and I just want to state my position.
I am happy to have withdrawn from the branding, marketing,
what points to where conversation. Because first of
all, I'm way too invested in how we started to, and I read, I
recognize this for me, podcasting. 2.0, as we started,
was the independent index, which you cannot get kicked off of
what you know, with an open API for any app developer to create
whatever experience they want, and display whatever they want,
if they don't want to show a podcast Fine with me, and the
value for value streaming payments. That to me was
podcasting. 2.0 now recognizing the polarizing statements we had
in the beginning of freedom of speech, etc, etc, understanding
that completely, we even soften that, and we, we've changed some
of our messaging, but we realized that podcast index.org
is not should not really be a destination, per se, other than
what is it and so, you know, and Daniel J. Lewis has put together
some very good beginning have some some ways to, to split
stuff out. But maybe all of that is wrong, maybe it is all
podcasting. 2.0 and podcasting, 2.0 the namespace with all the
features is podcasting. 2.0. For me, podcasting. 2.0 is, hey, you
can you can't get canceled and your money can't get canceled.
And arguably, that's brought over 6000 people to the
namespace because once you have that you have the namespace,
technically. And you know, you understand that you need a
different app. And these apps have chapters, and they have all
the features. So you know, but that's maybe just one on ramp.
And maybe it's not wrong to have podcasts in 2.0 in all different
places.
It's it's hard for me to have opinions on these things,
because I have a sort of a fiery intense hatred of discussions
about what to name things. Uh huh. It drives me nuts. How
did you come up with Grant?
I have a friend named named Chris is the first thing I would
have searched for. Like what? You know, I can't I just can't
talk about those things for long periods of time. I'm like, Okay,
that's good. Let's go with that. So I don't know, I'm just not
the best guy
to throw up. And ultimately, the push and pull has to come from
the hosting companies and from the apps. That's where it has to
come from, you know, and, of course, you know, they have
they've taken a different path. But fountain is doing a great
job at promoting the features they have. And I'm seeing more
and more seeing companies promoting features very well.
But I'm also seeing sovereign feeds promoting, you know,
podcasting 2.0 in their own way. So maybe it doesn't have to be a
centralized, you know, thing that is exactly this. You know,
I don't know it, it feels like it's all kind of pushing along
in some odd way. But once people will go to look to host
something, or if they have an existing podcast host and host
says, Oh, look at all these features we have. And these are
the apps you know, I think the podcasting is a slow grower,
this stuff takes years and years and years. That's the
experience.
I don't know that you have and I'm happy to let everybody else
figure this.
Exactly. That's what I'm saying is like, It's fine with me, I'm
going to my value for value manifesto, which is not done by
a longshot, but I'm working on it. And and that's how I'm
that's where I'm gonna push people to get into podcasting.
2.0 apps is through that. But it's it doesn't mean it's
mutually exclusive from hyper capture, promoting podcasting.
2.0 was, you know, with location and chapters, location and all
the other stuff.
I think the biggest the biggest thing I've heard about
podcasting 2.0 as a brand, it's I'm just trusting, you know,
Daniel J. Lewis is the brand. He's the brand manager.
Oh, wow. You just want to make him a VP.
VP. Okay, these done. VP,
SVP, SVP, SVP? Oh, that's
right. You get some calls from a SVP because you don't want to
pay him more
correct. no increase in salary, your senior vice president now.
That's right. And you get you get you get three weeks vacation
a year so to easily it. So as brand manager, he's always said,
Well, you know, podcasts and tempo is too difficult for
search to search for like, yeah, yeah, the SEO juice is all
screwed up, of course. And that makes it makes sense to me.
Totally.
Though, it's all messed up. But somehow it's still working and
people are flocking towards it. So for me, it's like, when I go
on shows is typically to talk about the value for value
aspect. And it's bringing people to to the new to podcasting. 2.0
is bringing people to the new apps is bringing people to the
hosting companies. So that's my way of doing it. I don't think
there's I don't think there has to be one way or the other. I
don't think so either. Now, I feel really good about it. And
yes, key back around.
Modern is very postmodern to say, podcasting to pornos,
whatever it means to you know, maybe the Gen Z maybe they liked
that kind of talk.
I know it's gonna come down to podcasters using it asking their
audience to use it. That's just just what it takes. In
podcasting. It's a grower not a shower I have to give C dubs
credit for that see, this is the beauty of doing a live a live
podcast you get you get these one liners from people in the
chat who like who are much smarter than we are.
So I agree with takes me off my game. Sorry. I agree with with
Dvorak though, like if we're both looking at the same chat
room, it's it's uh, you know, we step we step on each other's
curves needed. We needed Dave chat room and Adam. Correct.
Correct. So we need we need to split split this bad boy.
Well, yes, yes, that's true. I mean, for me, chat room is
something in my peripheral vision that I'm reading without
ever looking at it. You know, it's like, somehow because I
just the way I have it set up, like, oh, okay, I see that. I'll
catch stuff on the corner of my eye even noticed my brain is
processing it after years and years and years of doing it. But
most for most people, it distracts distraction.
You got a chip, you just got a chip right in your head goes
straight, isn't it?
Well, it's all I do. Dave, I don't have any other talents.
Give me that. Give me that. That's the talent I have. So I'm
super happy though. stuff is really working well. Yeah,
always. Yeah. But I feel a little bit out of the out of the
promotional loop. But man, I did. What Bitcoin did was the
Peter
had not had. That's been the weirdest part. Okay. Sorry to
interrupt. That's been the weirdest part of the last two
weeks for me. I'm a heavy podcast listener. I listened to
probably Gosh, 10 to 12 podcasts a week. I mean, I listen to a
lot. And the last two weeks. I've been so hands on with my
son and everything that I've really not. I've not listened to
maybe to three episodes of an I feel like I feel like I've just
completely out of it. Like I haven't listened to that show
that you were on, ever listened to any of my typical standard
fare of merit mere mortals. And I'm so out of the loop.
Yeah, I'm also a bit out of the loop because I was traveling.
Did use pod friend to download shows for the plane ride? That
was cool. That we didn't know. I didn't know he had that. Yeah,
I'm sorry, not pod friend pod verse. My mistake. Okay, pod
verse. Yeah, use pod verse. And that was very enjoyable. So I
did catch, you know, some of some of the podcasts I listen
to. But I was just today trying to catch up on pod land.
Yep, same, same,
didn't didn't get through the whole thing. I'm always
listening to see if he mentioned something that I can get
irritated by.
I mean, that's like when you scan the chapters and see what
oh,
no, no, I'm not like that. I'm not I do not scan ahead in the
chapters. I won't do it. I like No, I like now they don't really
do image changes. But I like seeing image changes when I
don't want them to be spoiled. No, I don't know i But that's me
as a creator, you know, I don't want people to listen to 1.2 or
1.5. I want you listen to way I created it. And I just want you
to enjoy the experience.
And Alex sent me a note and said he doesn't think that you can
copyright X and XML. So we were talking last week about bringing
in the iTunes tags. And he doesn't think that you can. He
doesn't think they're copyrightable. So like we should
be okay, because he's basing this on clear.
The conversation of iTunes block versus podcast block.
Yeah, we, uh, yeah. Or just all the tags in general, really, you
know, if we're gonna bring them all in. So he's basing this on
again, Alex, clearly a lawyer. So he's basing this on that
Oracle Java lawsuit?
Oh, right. You remember that? Yeah, of course. Of course. Who
doesn't?
Yeah, where it was like, I think they sued Google because Google
had created Kotlin programming language that makes it almost
exactly the Java API. And so then, of course, Oracle lost
that lawsuit. They lost it and a saying, Well, you know, this, if
they if if you can't even copyright a programming language
API, then you surely can't copyright. Like an XML
namespace. Right? Because then you're I mean, you're talking
about you're getting even, like two levels of abstraction even
higher than that. You know, there again, I don't know. I
mean, we're not lawyers, but that seems okay to me.
Well, the thing is, the law doesn't actually matter to
Apple. If they don't like it, they can sue you anyway, and
make your life difficult. Just what it is. Right? So there's
that
they wouldn't sue us.
Well, what's there to sue? Go ahead. Hey, could you please
help us open the bank account so you can sue us over it?
Oh, that's genius.
Hope I help us open this and then you can take all our money,
please. By the way, speaking of big tech, everything has kind of
cooled down now that things are changing in the world. As we
move towards the great reset. You know, we have earnings, not
turning out so good supply chains are hurting companies.
We're seeing stock prices down revenues down. We're seeing
Facebook going silent on podcasting. We're seeing YouTube
going silent on podcasting. Hello. So predictable all of it.
There's no money for these for these companies in podcasting.
There's no money they thought they could get in on the
clubhouse vibe. clubhouse died. For all intents and purposes,
I'm sure I'm sure it's being used. But it's not it's not a
thing.
I've got a little bit of speaking to YouTube. A little
bit of some stuff on that so ever. Spotify brought out their
video stuff this week. Their proprietary video
has just the you couldn't you can upload video to Spotify and
you can see it only if you have a Spotify account. Yeah.
Which to me is it's not a policy useless thing in the whole world
does it produce a feed is does it have an actual feed even even
if it's internal to Spotify?
The way I understand it is that if it it does have a fee. And if
you listen to it through the feed, then you don't see the
video. Somehow it's only audio Uh, I could be completely wrong
about that, but I thought that's the way it is. You only see the
video. Holy crap. Is that you? Oh, yeah, I got a blue like one
of those Amber
Alert. Oh, we'll read it.
Blue alert. It's a blue. What's our blue alert?
What's the blue alert?
Oh cop cop Shopska blue alert Lauderdale County white female
corrections officer Vicki white missing in line of duty suspect
as a white male inmate Casey white Casey White is 38 year old
white male six foot six weighing 252 pounds well.
Easy to track. He's moving slow.
with it. He's wearing a hat. Okay,
you clearly clearly don't have graphene, we turn that off on
our on our open source operating systems. Dave?
Have you been in like an airport or a coffee shop or something
when everybody's goes off?
Hilarious. It's hilarious. It's all different. Yes. Very
disturbing. It gives you it's like a disaster movie vibe that
I don't enjoy at all at all.
Set total Scott. Okay, so we're talking about we're talking
about Spotify? Yes. Because video. Yeah, I don't know. But I
mean, this sort of fits into this whole I mean, clearly they
want to be you too. They want to take try to make a weird YouTube
push. Yeah, but and as I was, I've been going back and
listening to a found I found an old sand like an old storage
area network box. This is from like, I don't know, 12 years
ago, and it booted up it worked. Yeah, man, it worked fine. It
was an old Western Digital share space
make sure you you you look for any Bitcoin related stuff.
That's always where you find like some bitcoin. Those things
like a wallet. Yeah, an old wallet. Exactly. Wow, what's
this? Oh, you
know what? I'm telling you to do that dad on them telling you
that's a good call actually, I'm gonna read the new so I was
looking through this thing in his guest so much old stuff on
it that I had. But there is a folder in there called lectures.
And I looked through it it's a bunch of old like, lectures from
the Mises Institute and old like, religious stuff, like old
pastors and sermons and all this kind of stuff. They used to
listen to all this stuff in there and I'm find this thing
from this like maybe early 90s, maybe 93. From a guy named James
Boyce. James boys, of course. Now there's two James boys
maybe I don't know James voice. There's there's like a James
Boyce and a James P. Boyce. And this guy was a preacher. And he
was probably most famous for doing this old radio show called
the Bible. Gosh, what was it called, like the Bible study
hour. That's what it was. Bible study hour. And it was
originally as this guy named Donald grade Barnhouse. But then
James boys took it up. And interesting guy, he died. He
died about 10 or 12 years ago of pancreatic cancer. He had to
show this radio show for a long time in he's really good
speaker. What I had this old lecture of him talking about the
book, amusing ourselves to death by Neil post,
of course, is fantastic book. And there's even an updated
version of that, which I think postman son contributed to. A
really Yeah, it's an updated version. Yes, a great book
was I started listening to it while I was doing some work. And
it really reminded me of the difference. It seemed
appropriate for this whole debate around video and audio,
like video versus audio almost. In sort of what what's going on
if he's sort of step back from the podcasting angle,
necessarily, and just think about it on video versus audio
on its own. And he's talking about he's uses this term as a
ref reference to a speech that Ted Koppel gave at Duke
University, about television. And he says that he uses this
term that we've been van attire used
as an Vanna White, is in Vanna
White. So if you, you can play that clip. Yeah. And you
said in the first line, America has been the sanitized and then
he knew nobody knew what that meant, because he was coining
the word. So the next line of the address said that's vanities
as in Vanna White. She is very popular That program's been on a
long time it makes a lot of money. And as you know, her her
job. It's not what you would call demanding Vanna White
stuff. ends on one side of the game board and the contestants
are calling out letters and the blocks up, they're represented.
And as they call it out, she walks across and touches. The
letter was then lights up, if that's the right letter, and
when she gets over to this side of the game board, she turns
around like that. And she claps her hands that's well, called
attention to how popular she is. And then he asked his question,
he said, How can she be so popular when we don't know
anything about her? And the reason we don't know anything
about her is that she never says a word. She doesn't say anything
about herself. And so Ted Koppel asked the question, Is she a
feminist? Every male chauvinist dream. And then he answered his
own question. He says, She's whatever you want her to be
sister, lover, daughter forever. Those are his own words. If
you're a young girl, and you're moving into adolescence, and
you're a little bit uncertain about yourself, I think some of
the model of what you could be, you know, when you grow up, if
you're unhappy in a marriage, you might think mistress like
that, or whatever it might be. And so what can come up with is
saying is that television is like that. When television
functions as television, it doesn't function the way we
think it does. We think of the screen up there pouring out all
this information at us. So we're better informed, more thoughtful
than any people on the play face of the planet I've ever been. He
said, It doesn't work that way. What television does is put up
pictures into which we project our aspirations. And the better
television does that the better it is more successful. It is.
Wow, that's good.
Yeah, that that was pretty interesting, pretty interesting
idea that you don't you're not, he goes on a little bit further,
later and talks about just the, the nature of images versus that
he's talking really about the written word. But this, this got
me thinking about podcasting. Because, you know, if you think
about the nature of images, like he said, as you, you're just
being shown things in order to keep you watching, engaging,
engaged, yeah. Was it like that the you know, the alpha wave, or
whatever of your brain is just like, it's so hard when there's
video playing in a room to look away from the video. It's almost
impossible. Sometimes. He's talking about spoken word,
excuse me, not spoken word, but written word is interact with
your brain in a completely different way. Yes, and no, go
ahead.
I'm listening. I have something to say later.
And so podcasting really touches as close to the written word as
possible. It's, to me, it's very much like almost like oral
tradition. Where you're engaging with we know there's this
personalization thing that happens with the spoken word,
and it's in particular podcasting. Podcasting, fits in
at a societal level, podcasting fits in what we used to know as
oral tradition. Because yes, there's radio. And yes, radio a
spoken word a lot of times, but but you can't interact with you
can't stop the radio in this sort of like, think about what
you just heard and give back. And that kind of thing. He talks
about that in images versus Words, Part One.
And what postman is saying is this. Television does not
communicate by words that communicates by images. And so
he contrasts the age of television, with the age of
typography, which has to do with putting things in tight the
words. Now he says words, operate rationally. In other
words, they encourage thought, you read a newspaper, you read a
book, read an article, there's a certain distance between you and
the printed page, you have time to think about it. It encourages
reaction disagree, you think about why you disagree. If you
agree, you think about why you agree. It produces a sequence of
thought, conclusions, and so forth. Television doesn't do
that. What television does, is throw up a sequence of images,
one after the other, in order to keep you watching that channel.
So you don't switch to another channel. And so they can sell
commercials. That's the way it works. And so he says, what
essentially happens on television is entertainment.
That doesn't mean the television can't, to certain degree, do
other things. And it doesn't apply, I think, in the same way
to videos, training videos, and so forth. That's a different
thing. But television as it functions in society, the sort
of thing people watch is essentially entertainment. Now,
you say to that, well, so why what's wrong with entertainment?
The answer, of course, is nothing. You might as well watch
a movie on television and go to a theater to see it. It's
cheaper anyway. But what is wrong with television is that it
pretends to be More than entertainment. And to the extent
that it puts something serious on television, it tends to
trivialize it and turn it into entertainment. So postman then
begins to work through different categories. He talks about news
on television, you know that the average new segment on network
television, this is stuff out in New York, you know where you're
supposed to get it and a little greater depth. And then locally,
the average segment on network television is 45 seconds. What,
how much can you learn in 45 seconds. Furthermore, it's not
just the duration, that's a problem, it's switching so
quickly to something else, that you don't get time actually
think about what you have actually heard, even though it's
short.
Alright, this is where typically I mentioned this once every
year, or once every two years on no agenda. Put it in the show
notes. It's called the Zen TV experiment, in the Zen TV
experiment is designed to show you what is happening to you,
and what you are doing when you're watching television. And
it is, and you should really do it this thing, but there's weird
things in there, like, watch the TV for 20 minutes with the sound
off. And then it's watched the TV for 20 minutes with only the
sound and no video. And then it's watched the TV for 20
minutes with no sound and no video, you know, and then then
it goes into all the techniques they call it's classified as
technical events, all the things that that your brain just is
okay with like we're inside, boom, we're outside. So you
filled in the hole going down the steps, you know, opening the
doors, all that stuff. And it's a really try do it at least
once. It's good to review it. You don't have to do all the
exercises. But you get the point real quick. And you had Holy
crap.
There's a lot is an online thing.
Yeah, had been pointing to this for 15 years.
I've never heard you talk about this.
You don't love my shows? Man. I don't I don't have the Cintiq.
It's adam.nz, the Zen TV experiment. How many of you know
how to watch television? It's in the it's in the show notes for
today's episode. I forget who this guy is. The whole site, he
explains the whole site. So it's good. Now I want to say
something else before you get to part two. Yes, sir. I worked
with Vanna White in the MTV days. And a couple of things.
Very smart. Very kind, very cute, obviously. Although, you
know, I don't want to say and it doesn't matter. Her manager kind
of a sleazeball. Her agent. He represented like Playboy Bunnies
and stuff. No. Vanna White significantly older than I am.
And I just remember like, wow, because I was maybe 30 Something
she was 50 like wow. Because yeah, pretty Yes. No, we were in
a situation we we connected very well. You know, like we were
working together on the show. And she said something very
important she said you know Do you know why the way everything
works so well on this is we're talking about Wheel of Fortune,
the Wheel of Fortune syndicated in you know, 5000 countries, as
everyone knows that everyone has their own local Vanna White to
know why it works so well. It's not as well this is Merv
Griffin. He's famous television producer who created those King
world's entertainment created the Wheel of Fortune many other
shows like that, including the Tonight Show was also Merv
Griffin. As she said the secret that Merv Griffin always applies
people on television are very successful if they have a big
head physically a big head
she has a very big head she's
very tiny. Patsy Jack has a big head Jay Leno The Tonight Show
big head and that is a big So exactly what voice is talking
about here? Is this it's so well known that the visual aspects do
certain things to keep you engaged. That Merv Griffin
apparently figured out big heads keep people engaged
Yeah, that
that zero content value but it works.
What was interesting to me about this and hearing you talk about
it even even just submits it. Yes. How much how much YouTube
has taken all of these aspects and like random not even you not
just YouTube? Tick tock Morson yes take as turned it up to 11
Yes. Make because you've got you've got the rapid smash cuts
the the big head thing because they're always right up in the
camera so they're Hey, yes. Manga
you nailed it. That's exactly right. Do that and even the even
the poster images that promote the video will Show that you
bet.
And I mean that this, this is how this is how you become
successful in video in the world of video, which is completely
regular your average audio podcaster is not prepared for
this in any way whatsoever.
No way. No way. No way. No way. No, this is this is we're just
now really discovering how all this stuff works.
And he, I'd say probably bring home in part two here.
When Nixon lost to Kennedy, back in, in 60. He the wisdom of of
the campaign managers was that it was because of the televised
debate. And if you can recall what was said back there, Nixon
came off hard in a cool medium, and Kennedy came off cool and
the cool medium. So he did better. They did a survey of
people after that televised debate. And they learned a lot.
They learned that when they asked people who had listened to
the debate on radio, by large percentages, like 60 70%, people
thought that Nixon had won the debate. And when they surveyed
people who had watched it on television, by almost the exact
numbers, but the inverse thought that Kennedy had won the debate,
because he is telling you something, it's the image that's
communicating, not actually the content of what's being said.
Exactly. Yeah. And do is that, you know, is that what, that's
not what most podcasters are trying to do? That's not what
they're trying to accomplish? Me. You know, there's, there's
some but I mean, there's most podcasters are trying to
communicate content in personalized connection with an
audience most, most podcasters I'm a traditional podcasters are
not burn, they're not going for just the quick, you low hanging
money fruit approach. And that, I'd say, I mean, for me, I'll
tell personally, for me, I mean, for me, this, this show, is an
outlet for the things that I think about during the week. And
that's not something that I'm going to be able to communicate
in for second, smash cuts.
Here's my, my take on this video podcast, YouTube's you know, we
have people with headphones, and microphones and talk and stuff.
I think it's a, it's just my feeling, I have no data to back
it up. I don't know, my feeling is what works well is that it's
highly clickable. So you can so someone can either link to a
time code or typically like a Rogen, stuff gets clipped, you
know, there's, here's eight minutes, here's 10 minutes, and
a lot of people watch that. And that's really relevant. It's
kind of an you know, for eight minutes watching the videos
like, oh, that's exciting, you know, I'm looking at the studio,
and, you know, there's a lot of things that are influencing what
I'm seeing, and it's like memes, you know, it's the same thing, a
meme can be very, very powerful. I agree completely with you, to
me, and I've, I've always been a radio guy, I want to build a
vision in your head. So that you are thinking about where's my
studio when you know, what am I wearing? What is it dark? Is it
am I wearing green visor? You know, these kinds of things.
And, and, and the I've found success in building a community
of people around every single show that I do. And that's very
different from having clips that, you know, suck people in
and they, they're done and they're gone. And you got a
couple of couple of hits for your video for YouTube views and
your YouTube money. It's just a different isn't, you know, it's
what people want to do. I know.
Doesn't it ultimately all become tick tock. I mean, isn't that
where everything? I mean, I think tick tock? That to me. The
crazy thing about tick tock is that they they took all of the
obvious things about YouTube and about social media money making,
and a quick hit and a viral illness. And they just jumped to
the finish line.
They went through. Yeah,
they're like, you know, screw it. Let's just jump to the end
of this thing. Well,
yeah, they did a couple of very smart things yet so they they
completely programmed it for the dopamine hit for the laugh for
the joke for the Oh, that's great. You know, all that stuff.
The quick share the quick like the et cetera. Et Yes, you're
right. They jumped straight to the finish line. The genius was
licensing the music so everybody can use the music and do their
dances. No They're different, whatever the vibe is, you know,
there's the dead the dead animal who Music There's the
oh my god, the American Kennel Club.
Oh my god, you hear the dead. It's either the dead dog or the
dead child like, swipe. We're all Tina and I will sit down.
We'll do one hour a week, maybe. But she doesn't do tick tock.
She has Instagram reels, which is mainly repurpose tick tock
content. And it's totally enjoyable for an hour. We're
sitting there, we're laughing our asses off and then we're
like, don't we just also we're like, I'm disgusted with myself.
Me too. But it's all it's, it's all of the it's all the music is
really genius, too, but it's a different product. You know,
it's crack. It's a little crack.
Yeah, yeah. And we all know what crack does. Yeah.
Makes you feel good.
Until it doesn't.
Yeah, exactly. So that's exactly what it is.
Anyway, just thought just thoughts on the whole video
thing I don't. That's very
that's I like that. It's a very deep that we just learned. You
know, this curry in the keeper podcast. We live in
Fredericksburg. There's 10,000 people that live here. Gillespie
county is bigger. But now we're under the auspices of Austin and
San Antonio. So we're just talking about our guy who you
know, helps us with a garden and you know, Mike, the ex cop who's
building a railing for us you know, we got Greg the Greg the
welder and we're just talking about these people. Oh my god
and stuff comes back like the whole town is listening. Hey,
man, I heard you talk you said this about that guy. And it's
like,
what? On the show? Yeah,
no, no, it's Korean. The keeper Tina and I just carrying the
keeper here. We're just talking about shit going on in our life.
You know? And it's like, Well, someone heard you're talking
about the bubble bus and she's got the pink limos and it's like
small town but it's really cool to see what influence a podcast
can have and it's just audio.
Soon carrying the keeper is like banging mags at local access
radio.
It's like Wayne's World. And only with with with Ricky and
Lucy. And Tina's like, I see your celebrity babies. Now as
you watch this hilarious, so you know that kind of stuff is I
live for that Dave? I live what we're doing right? I'm happy as
a pig and shit. I love that shit is working. I love we got more
people coming in and using the devalue block. I mean, I love
this live stuff. It's crazy. You know, we're like, okay, stuff is
in it right now. I'm seeing the boost bot is now posting in the
chat room that just magically happened, though. I saw I just
saw it. Yeah, this this is so much fun. And you know, I got
people chomping at the bit. I got Moe waiting in the wings.
He's like, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. Can we start
parallel streaming to podcasting. 2.0. And then he
wants to drop YouTube. Nice. Yeah, he's never he's never
monetized on YouTubes. And then we would do an auto podcast to
No, no, he refuses. He refuses? No. Why? Why? Because he doesn't
he doesn't want to get caught up in relying on it.
Gotcha. Okay, well, that's perfect. Yeah, and thanks a lot.
And he also was very clear every time hey, we're just here
temporarily get ready because we're gonna move over to
podcasting. 2.0 when we have the comments set up and right now
with this live, this is good. You know, we got the chat room,
we got the equivalent of the super chats we got the the boost
bot is spewing messages everywhere. This is exciting.
Okay, well, let me throw something at you then. Because
I've had this. I had this thought a couple of weeks ago,
and I had it written down here. What there's this, you know, the
all the rage now is the greater the like social audio green
room, all this kind of stuff. And I'm listening to Linux
unplugged.
They talk about me on the show now. Oh, do they? Yeah. Because
I boosted Graham them and said, Hey, how do you guys check all
those distros without ruining all of your show?
Yeah, yeah. Man, I've
like those guys are there I'm part of their community.
Well, one thing they do is every now and then, so they have this
constant. They have this live they have the live thing. Yeah.
And every now and then they'll throw out. They have some sort
of connection back to the room where they can say something and
just like, let somebody else talk back. Hmm, that sounds
pretty cool.
And what are they using? Do we know?
I have no idea. I want to find out but I wonder if that that
could be part of a different spec where like, like an open
net. See, I'm not interested in the whole Twitter spaces,
clubhouse, all that kind of stuff where it's like this big
where it's essentially just like a, like a log of dumb Zoom
meeting. But the ability to say, you know, hey, C Dubs. What can
you tell me what you like to ask a question and then they can
like talk back for a second and like, you're like asking them to
participate for a moment I mean, you're not you're not turning
over your show to some to like 20 random strangers but you
know, you click a button and then they can they can talk.
I mean, that sounds kind of what could
possibly go wrong.
Nothing and I think this is perfectly legitimate.
Anyway, well that's that's definitely there's something
more on the production side more than I don't know if that's a if
that's if a namespace thing. I think it could be I'm open to
it.
By the way, that's the thing now you know, the clubhouse thing is
my so to talk about this real quick. So I had another horrible
crash with the Windows machine was on the road with no agenda.
You should have got a new machine.
I did get a new machine. Which one? Same one the Surface Pro
six. Yeah, surface six Pro.
Okay, now I'm going to tell you should get a different machine
now
this probably I really like it you know, the fold up everything
is perfect for on the road. So but it was just it happens, but
it was a bad one was blue screen. You're the new blue
screen with an extremely insulting frowny face emoji.
Fuck you, Microsoft. Yes. So that's so patronizing. When your
ship just crashed and you give me a frowny face something went
wrong. I understand is
the worst. So much of that dang loose. We're getting things
ready. hanging loose.
Yeah. So I post that on Twitter and no agenda social because,
you know, I'm down for 15 minutes during live broadcasts,
like oh, people will get it. Oh, man. So I'm done with the show.
And there's all this like, she uses Unix, Linux. And it just
went on and on and on. And I'm like, no, because you can use
Linux is not compatible with what I need. And this is the
only device that does it. That even the new versions of it
don't do it right. And it's the Motu Ultralite MK four. And it
just went back and like no, it's always the same. Like no, but
you could do this if you just worked perfectly with Elsa.
Here. Pure pipe pipe message thing wire. Okay, pipe.
Because I know the pipe and right
I'm been diving down this road. Now someone eventually shows up.
I think it might have been Aaron or from nogen associates. Hey,
the AVB and I think they replaced this unit I'd looked at
it it can do everything I needed to do it will work over regular
Wi Fi not with the real problem is managing it through this
custom service that runs on Windows. And it had now as the
noise gate which is why I always ignored it because didn't have
the noise gate. And I oh this is great. I'm going to order one
maybe this is the solution and I put out a bounty by the way. So
anyone who could make this machine this box work on Linux
$5,000 in Bitcoin, that I'm still waiting for it.
I saw this tweet that's big. Because I can't believe nobody's
done it yet.
Well, I even registered domain name. Mo to Linux. On what is
it? I forgot what it is now. Linux mo to comment I got a.com
for which is points to that thread. It's like hey, fine, go
do it. So of course everyone has everyone has zero solution. But
I ordered this thing just before we get on the plane to fly back
from New York. And like okay Sweetwater has a boom I ordered
the way Sweetwater walk works is they have a representative and
they call you and they and they your representative for that
purchase. And they try to upsell you of course and it's nice
though, so I land the guy says Hey, Adam, yes, your
representative here to Sweetwater Hey, the Motu AVB you
know, well, you know there's we can get it for you. But it may
take a while because most of had a big fire about a year and a
half ago and everything was destroyed. And and they can't
get a chips for replacement. Probably not until the end of
2023
Holy crap. How do you live? How do you survive that as a
company?
I don't know PPP loan. I don't know.
I distinctly remember saying that you should buy two more Mk.
I know I know you were right into looking for him and it's
very hard to find. Yeah, it's horrible. So anyway, I know we
got off on that tangent just that was just a little side
story.
So but yeah, but we're still waiting though. We're still
waiting for this phantom personalized. Pod father
endorsed signature box right.
Good luck with that. And I got Dave Jackson bless his soul.
Dave Jackson sends people to me whenever he talks to somebody so
I get a note from What's the Scarlet? You got the scarlet
what is it? No, I don't have the score. I've got the EVO who made
who makes the Scarlet. What's the name of that was the brand
Scarlet, the name of the company, Scarlett, Scarlett?
Yes, Scarlett and something else focus right Focus.
Focus. Right. That's it. That's right.
So I get a note from the marketing guy. Hey, Adam, Dave
Jackson sent me your ways. He's very interested in that you're
interested in new boxes and like, oh, yeah, totally. You got
a bug? Yeah, we got a just for podcasters is great. So do you
want to do you want once and you know what? No, to send me the
specs. I'll be fine. Let me see the specs in LA know if I want
one. I want to waste the guy's time. So then I just like a get
an NDA.
Oh, no. I'm looking at we don't want NDA, my
eyes glaze over when I forget about him. Like I just like, Oh,
look at that later. And then he says, hey, you know, any word on
the NDA? So I looking at it. He says, By the way, here's the top
line specs, and he sends me the top line specs and yep, there it
is. Hey, we even have loopback interfaces. I'm like, bro, I
don't need to sign the NDA. You don't need to send the box this
is this is built for gamers is not built for podcasters that
have it when someone in your company is serious about it.
Happy to help them. Oh, man, thanks. I haven't even seen the
box myself yet. etc.
If you go up market enough, can you get what you want? Like I
mean, if you can, can you go high enough expensive enough to
get this thing?
Not in the compact not in a compact form. Now then before
you know it, you're in pro gear and it's gonna be much bigger.
And it's gonna need Ethernet networking and stuff now.
You're hauling around a 19 inch rack.
So the the Motu Ultralite MK four does it and it's and this
thing was built for stage monitor mixes. It was never
intended for what I'm using it for.
Man. You need you need to order five of these things off eBay.
Yeah. All right. Well, I know some people there's some people
who ordered one or two this it I got it. I got you, man. That's
back if you ever need it. You just holla Yeah.
See? That's what I have on here. Oh, yeah. That's sort of
tangential to this. Insomnia. Radio Association in music.
Podcasting. Yeah. ringing a bell. Yes. Yeah, that was your
buddy that showed up. It was Yes, sir.
Yeah, the old school.
So what is this? I want to know about what is the association of
music podcasting? Because it sounds like something we need.
Yeah, well, we need three of those. Okay, we'll take three
association of music Broadcasting's. So he pinged me
said, Hey, I really want to do a music podcast. And can I and,
you know, do I? Can I play music now? And just stream sets to the
artists? I said, No. But you know, if, if you have artists
who have songs that they are making available to you that are
not registered with an existing public rights organizations?
Yeah, sure. You can do that.
And Jason Evangelia. And, you know,
yes, of course. Yep. So, he, he's just getting started. It
was really beautiful to see he jumps in, I sent him an invite,
and he's like, holy crap. I have no idea what's going on here.
I'm really confused. But I love everybody helping out with tips
and knowledge and stuff to help
catch up, catch up. Yes. Okay. Jason, we're all confused. Oh,
yeah. No,
I even said, you know, our motto was running, you know, running
with scissors. So don't worry, and we all get cut.
That sounds like a great thing, though. Association of music,
podcasting. I mean, I don't know, is that some old group? Or
is that still around? Or is that a thing he's trying to do? Just
I
don't know, just
because I mean, that the reason I bring that up really is to get
over to this thing, which is the taxonomy stuff. So you know, the
economy? Yes, yes. Just is releasing an update, and we
track that with the person tag. And, but then it's been brought
up a few times, I think Steven B brought it up that we need with
all these taxonomy things if we're going to do music,
podcasting. And be prepared to support all that. I mean, we
need to have a taxonomy this proper for putting into the
person tag for that stuff, too. Does that exist anywhere? It's
got to
Well, I know I jumped in a little bit on this conversation.
The thing is that I'm not sure if it really exists in that way.
Or if what exists is to limit thing, because in the music
business, unlike radio or even television to some degree,
depending on the platform, film
you have all these different credits that are well
established in the industry. You know, even the even if you're
just a gofer just running around for free interns, you know, it's
not about money, it's about position having worked on the
products use me. In the music business, every credit means
money. Right? So the guy who was changing the 24 track tapes back
in the day, also known as tape monkey, that guy would would
probably get in the liner notes as a thank you, but would never
get a credit because that meant money. Because that whole
infrastructures around money. And what I love about the value
block and the splits is that you can say, hey, this guy just
brought us coffee and bagels every morning to the studio. So
he's he gets a split. But but you know, that's not necessarily
a taxonomy.
Okay, so let me let me see if I understand what you're saying.
You're saying there probably, there definitely is a taxonomy
somewhere, but it's not necessarily compatible with what
correct we think it's
going to be very, very shortlist. So every musician can
get. So there's a difference for broadcast. There are certain
rights and certain people get paid for streaming. So for
instance, no one gets paid when it's played on the radio. The
artists I'm sorry, artists don't get paid. Their ASCAP BMI, the
songwriter and the composer they get paid when it's played on the
radio through a blanket deal, but not the artists, the artists
do get played paid on Spotify. It's all different. It's it's,
it's hose is what it is. It's, it's completely hosed. Where's
this? To me? The simplest is, hey, I listen to the song. I'm
either listening to the song as a standalone track part of an
album, or I'm listening to it as part of a podcast. I know that
somehow a piece of my wallet payments that I find valuable to
me is going to the right people don't have to think about it.
But will it work with a taxonomy? I'm not sure. It has
to be open ended at some point.
Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, it goes like when I put
in, you know, my son's band, was the first one to have the value
box. And I think I think I just put in there like, you know,
drummer guitar, right. Sing, you know, singer. I just made stuff
up. But, you know, I don't I don't know, I'm split between
the tea because I'll now want to sort of,
I guess use my question. The taxonomy is not important for
the value blog value blog can be whatever it is. Right. Right.
Right. What is the importance of the taxonomy? What what is what
by because, of course, I use it for guests for hosts. I've never
gotten further than that. What else? I mean, it's good for
Person Search, I guess. Right?
Yeah, right. So that would be things like, yeah, people people
out there like pod chaser track that stuff and they would pull
it in, you know, or it could go straight into like IMDB and
stuff like that. Or
I'm getting spammed through pod chaser. That's unfortunate. What
is your son's band name? What's the what's the where do we find
I just want to put in the show notes because we keep talking
about it, but never say anything?
Oh, it's Tor concept. T o RC O N? Seven. But the Roman numeral
like VI. Torque concept.
Two or seven?
is like some sort of way your images read images
are broken. Bruh mine. Here's the tour con images. The album
art images are broken.
cobblers kids have no shoes.
At least the music still works.
Cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's working for me the images working? Oh,
no, no, it's not. That's a bad. I don't know. It's probably some
of the remix content or cons. It's like a torch sounds like
some kind of the tornado rating system. It's like, oh, the EF
three or
like a DEF CON for tornadoes.
Got it? Yeah, yes. Tornado DEF CON.
And now the main thing is who's going to build an app for this?
See, okay, I've got that. I've got that right here. I've got it
written down. I want to we need a music podcasting app. Yeah.
Otherwise is not the first person. How long have I been
saying this?
Many moons
hearse to create. And it's I think it's so much simpler than
than a podcast app in my opinion. If I had a second I
develop myself a dev that up on the other sheet right? Here, let
me dev that for a second. The first person to dev basket. Hey,
that's my jam right there, man, Apple scripts. It'll be an
influx of epic proportions. So I'm kind of, I mean, Steven B is
clearly sovereign feeds is going to is going to is driving the
feed creation process, which is just beautiful. It just needs a
little explainer. I think it's so different from podcasting,
you should be able to throw your your 12 tracks on some server
somewhere along with an RSS feed, you don't necessarily need
a whole hosting infrastructure for that. It's not like people
are going to be download. I mean, yeah, if you get a hit,
and you got 10s of 1000s of people downloading it, you got a
good problem, there's a quality problem and you know, ping me
will help you out. But you should be able to put this
almost on your Umbral, you know, your your Dropbox, whatever. And
we just need to experience and it should be it needs to be
called something else. I think
that I mean, yes, Steven B. Did you see Steven B? Changed the
UI? Based on the stuff we were talking about last week? In the
TV changed the medium tag it switches? Yes. And yes, I
think that's what I'm saying. Like, is it sovereign? kickin
ass man, it's kicking out is
it? Well, yeah, you're I mean, we need a puck. We need a
podcast music app. Let me somebody somebody needs to step
step up. Dennis. Just
simple. It's like instead of podcasts, it says artists and
then you got albums, and then you got whatever I mean, you'll
figure it out.
See devs dev harder. So many.
Dev better. Learn to dev, come on. With this combo. It's hard
for me to follow. I'm sorry. Fall back. Yeah. So DC, we're
way off people. We've lost the plot now. We're just trying to
create the future of media pay no attention.
Yeah, the medium tag is what we're talking about the medium
tag, Bless you, bless you put in your podcast feed what this
content is, it tells you like so you can put in the medium. The
medium here is music. And that means to the app, it signals to
the app that this is not a podcast. Like just a spoken word
podcast, this is music so you this app, you should expect to
be getting music. And so that means you would be able to
expect a ban you know the album art liner notes, people that
person tags with with Band Aid, bandish names, like drummer and
guitarist and right right so that that's that's the medium
test what we're talking about. And so once you have the medium
tag, you can make different apps that target those only shows
with that media.
Where's that again in in sovereign feeds where I can't
find it now. Where do you talk?
I never I don't use sovereign feeds as your jam
I just got I just got a row of ducks law live ducks booths from
dreads, Dred Scott and actually has duck emojis. Oh, nice. Let
me see. Does it show up in the to the booth spot catch it
and seen it come through yet? Oh, there it is.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you know my terminals and show the emojis?
You see the emojis? Yeah,
I'm using I'm using irsie
IRCC IRSs RSSI. Yeah, I'm using the same thing but I guess my
terminal isn't isn't grokking it
my terminals killer. What terminal using? Terminal.
Whatever, whatever it's called. Thanks,
pal. All right, terminal. Bash. And why don't we Why don't we
thank a few people Dave. And then we can just a few more
things we can talk about when it seems like we Yeah, seems like
since you saw I just run through some of these live boosts while
you're getting your stuff together. They're just so I can
read what was said in the last hour. So we got tu tu tu tu tu
from Dred Scott BUSA a row of live ducks. 1000 SATs from C
dubs it's alive he says 2445 from NV for N for v x. Get Lit
on a Friday Night Live pasta podcasting for the wind 830 for
SAS from cotton gin with a clown face and a global emoji 111 for
mere mortals testing the live boosts again want to see my name
and the boost bot? You all see it? Yep. 222 from C dubs with
the running where he got a whole bunch of scissors and running
emojis got it? Sure. A couple more from see dubs there,
including a 420 and other row of live ducks from drifts Gribbs
Scott 10,000 from a Chris You know T shirts are great but
what's the amount of SATs one needs to boost to get a pair of
podcasting 2.0 branded scissors to run around with no. I like
that this new premium we'll work on it. Sir Spencer the 10,033
some bounty from Casey Bitcoin block party had a fantastic time
with Abel Kirby telling everyone about value for value streaming
and booster grams over the Lightning Network also got to
have some great discussions about the new about music on the
D four v protocol exciting things on the horizon. Well here
we are talking about it. And another 3000 tags from Chris You
know where's everybody? We're all finding the boost bot to
follow a mastodon This is awesome. Chad F with 1000 SATs
with the boost. Kieran my first live boost 1111 miss the first
couple of minutes but I'm loving the late start. I'm going to be
egotistical and assume you didn't you did it just for me.
Yes, we just start just for you. Yes in another 5000 from a Chris
You know who's excited about? The live show Mater's with live
is up with 1000 SATs 1776 The Freedom Patriot boosts from
blueberry soundcheck false I see this sweet sticky boost bought
action going down a Macedon for podcasting 2.0 Hell yeah, boost.
We see also we have cotton gin has been boosting a bunch hard
hat pre boost pre boost during pre boost tree boosting. I think
that yeah, that's it all the other stuff is you have on your
list. So Wow. Thanks, everybody. Hey, wow. Thanks, everybody.
It's cool. What's great about it is we're having fun, but you're
also helping fund the project. Thank you.
This is this is decentralized Super Chat.
It's amazing.
Can we cross that one off the list? Yes,
we can. Web three everybody live, but don't tell anybody
when they won't believe you have web three is happening over
there. Everybody's good. Everybody's getting a piece of
the action web three. Mark and Marc Andreessen is about to pop
up and take credit for
Mark underscore Andreessen in the chat room.
Yeah. P P mark, whatever his name is.
P mark. We this was this was a this was a
paper week. Oh, okay.
Yeah, you ready? Yeah. I'm ready. Sit down.
I'm sitting down.
$1,000 from rss.com
Holy moly. big baller baller boosts big bottom. Best Shot
call all 20 blades on him, Paul. Thank you. rss.com
Don't take your hand off the boost button. I mean, off the
road. Okay. Message from rss.com Dave Adam, and all the other
contributors to podcasting 2.0 project. Once again, we want to
thank you for all you do via the index and the namespace. Keep up
the hard work your friends of the show. rss.com Alberta band
and Company. Go podcasting.
Yo, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's always the
hosting guys who have kept us alive really, with the big
sustaining stuff yet tells you something.
The Alberto is he sent me an email. I'll be coming back to
you pretty quick. I got I got some ideas on what you're
talking about. Yes, yeah. They've they've been helping.
Just keep us alive and going from day one. Almost. I mean,
just so early on. Now. I really appreciate that, guys. Thank you
very much. And there's so many people. I mean, I don't think
people understand like, on the financial side of things,
especially early on, there's a couple of times where rss.com
came in at the right no
rarely right time. Yeah. Really needed.
Always love you guys. Buzzsprout $500
Just hit him again. far as I'm concerned, you have a 500 SATs.
You're a baller. We love it. Thank you. Yeah, beautiful.
Thank you Buzzsprout they they have supported us every month
now and it's awesome. And they you know but if you've been
listening to us cast when they're doing the I saw
a post that they were talking about stuff and there was no
time codes. I'm listening and I had to do I had to wash the dog.
Sorry, Kevin has given away sets on on Twitter. Boost.
Nice. I love that is hilarious.
Cool. So we got a new Pay Pal donor this week. Uh huh.
Fountain gave us $200 last year and friends you Right. Thank
you. Yeah, yeah, I thanked him. And he said, he said it was long
overdue, and he really appreciates everything that
we've done. We appreciate what you guys are doing. Yes. Thank
you Oscar. And I think Nick, is Nick his buddy this working with
him?
I believe so. Yeah. I think it's
Nick. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Oscar. Todd news. $50 Okay.
Thank you, James. Thank
you, James. Very much.
Yes. That I get you to, to rewrite half of our privacy
policy in the
US Yes, this is exactly this is the value for value system.
Yeah. It's not like you're not working Dave Jones.
Well, that's how lawyers work. You know, you pay him and then
they have other people who are exactly Lauren balls and is
$25.20 their paper and he says, to answer the question, Why
$24.20 I think that's his recurring donation is to answer
the question why 2420 because 2520 does not add up enjoy the
day all right about missing I don't understand I don't
know I don't know there's a 420 in there maybe. It may I guess
that's where my brain goes.
Thank you for this money. Yeah, I
still don't understand which Okay, keep it coming. Keep
explaining it. Yes.
Try many times in different ways. $17.91 from Michael Newman
our buddy the manager of the team's repo. Oh yes right yep.
all around good guy says hitting the easy button this month
because my outbound liquidity is shot Who here's a here's a Bill
of Rights ratified in 1791 stack of Fiat fun coupons in place
with my monthly SATs. This ship
will spend it as quickly as we can before devalues before our
very eyes. Hey, did the inflation numbers come out
today?
Do I hope so. I hope you know what it'll probably say is like,
oh, it's like 7% that's all meantime in the real world is
like 40% Yeah, right.
I bought a month
battery for mum. My wife's car today. car battery. Uh huh. Same
battery about three years ago. Three years ago, this battery
cost $165 today $220.
Brother I'm telling you we filled up our propane tank.
Before we didn't go on vacation. It was 270 a gallon now 320
And this is not this is not 8% inflation this is way more Yes
way. Well, there's difference between headline inflation,
which is your food and gas which is your headlines. And then core
inflation which is everything else so stop complaining. Joe
Biden's doing a great job. Trust your central bankers they're
great.
It's the Putin price
it's a Putin price hike. How insulting are these people like
Adam see heart no relation to Adam see curry sent us $10 No no
could not find it all right. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
That's Mr. Paper I
will take it Fiat fun coupons in the in actually Ilan coin we
love it
inbox okay but
oh hold on Well, let's do this properly because I'm still I'm
still obsessed with this boost jingle I can't help myself. I
love it.
Ice Cube I want to put in brand new car battery with a big
sticker was faced 2500 says from Sir Shona, the Allegheny Valley
AK Sean McCune, he says go crypto casting
okay trying to get my goat
se lewd and gave us a 1611 SAS and he says I just want to give
you a pronunciation guide on the name. It's the word lewd with a
C sound right before but mesh together sound like it's a sound
like a foreigner pronouncing the name, Claude. Haha, clue. Clue.
Okay, I see also a reason the reason for the 1611 SAS is
because that's the year the King James Bible was authorized go
podcasting go boost. Thank you clay Thank you. clewd blueberry,
or we'd like to call him boost Burris and a boob donation. 8008
sets through fountain he says shout out to servo and the
amazing work he does. Gal the bot that hangs out in the green
room on zero node. Hashtag green room will do all sorts of
amazing things if you ask. She'll even read boosts out. But
most importantly, she can now do Celtic Tarot spreads for you,
which is some of the coolest shit I've ever seen.
Okay, I don't understand any of that, but it's fantastic. So do
I have to hit the hashtag Hey girl What do I do? I want to
activate the shit.
Hashtag green room in his Celtic Tarot spreads.
So what do you do?
I don't know. Well,
do you know help?
I don't know show reboost
Oh, you got to join hashtag green room on second let me try
that joy that gets get you terrorists bread green room
okay, I'm in there now what do I do?
Exclamation point draw space Celtic
draw Celtic? Yeah. See she's, oh did it sent me back an image.
It's
like an image of
Taroko sent me a link link to an image. Don't click on his virus.
Oh no Oh, oh, he's gonna send me back a whole bunch of tarot
cards. Okay. All right, nice, but how does that bring money
into our node? Okay, all right, um, back to the 2.0 chat room.
Okay, sorry,
Rebecca and Jen. 5000 SATs. Ooh, she says welcome back. Thank
you. She's talking about maybe here maybe?
Yeah.
9813 37 leet sets and he says I grew up watching anime with
subtitles so it just feels comfortable to have on but not
all the time. Will take comic strip blogger delimiter No, no,
no, no, that's that. They gotta
know he sent this he sent this late today.
Okay, I've got him out of order so I'm outside. Yeah,
it's just like to understand why comics or Blogger is obsessed
with booster grabbing making sure that he knows that we've
boosted gramming That that we have to confirm that the booster
gram is received
your as your you just said the words I'd like to know what
comic strip bloggers obsessed with fill in the blank. Big
mistake. Yes. Big mistake should not have asked that.
CASP eland 3690 sets the fountain A says I stopped the
33x X donations no more Abort mission donations. I go for the
3690 or the 963 Tesla number donation level thanks for the
show.
Don't post yes nice thank you cash Oh
Karen from the mere mortals podcast he's in the chat room
right now he's sit at row ducks 2222 Yo thought brand and he
says just listen to your chat on what Bitcoin did Adam really
great explanation of podcasting 2.0 and V for V Thank you and
your enthusiasm is infectious. And it's going to be awesome to
see Bitcoin 2.0 and V for V all grow together. Don't tire
yourself out Dave. We can still take along without the Potts age
for a while. Glad your son learned his lesson. My dad
always said that Motorbikes are coffins on wheels. Yeah. Yes.
What Bitcoin did, that's Peter McCormick, Peter McCormick. I
did that interview when he was in Austin and had Airbnb and it
was really early in the morning. But I appreciate Peter so much
because we disagree on a lot of things philosophically
politically. But we wish He's such a nice cordial man. And he
will let you speak and you know he can deal say I don't agree
with that. But it doesn't make a big deal isn't argumentative
just really leave someone in their own value I think is how
the Dutch say it and and so appreciated. And yes, I got a
lot of of most of the recent podcast interviews I've done is
really, it got a lot of people talking about 2.0 and stuff.
The thing I remember and I've never met him talk to him or
anything but the only thing I remember about Peter McCormick
is when the whole El Salvador Bitcoin right under thing
happened.
Like he's down went down there, right? Yeah, he went down. Uh
huh.
And met with boo Kaylee. And he's here in like, a t shirt and
some shorts. Yeah. Shaken boo Kelly, the president of the
country's hand. Yes, buddy. Oh, Twitter's like could you don't
like like
put on some pants or something? Gotta appreciate it, man.
Bitcoin.
Let Andy Lehmann from Lima creations a 1776 a little
liberty SATs Matic and he says a lawful but awful hilarious.
All right. Yep, that was our title.
Mary Oscar, also known as Oscar marry 50,000 SATs through
fountain and he says boosting for David grant hopefully a
smooth recovery will thank you. Boost he sends a Pay Pal
handsome SATs in this Yeah,
we exotic control.
He's a upstanding fellow. Karen from mere mortals back again. He
gave us another row of ducks. And he says I've been thinking
about two things lately. And unintended consequences and
realize desires that are that are only what you wanted in your
head and not in reality. This is deep stuff here. Hagar, if
Carmen's eaten the shrooms again.
I don't know what gal the green room but is handling handing out
but it's good. Good for you. Yeah. I wonder if the people who
write these demanding podcasting should articles have really
thought it through. If Valerie sponsored her favorite app to
implement these recommendations, she would probably hate the app
in the app itself would become a worst product. Maybe a case
study before wholesale changes to an industry. Yes, good. Roi,
slash on sale. 54,321 stats 54321.
Roi. Thank you, Ronnie.
He says, Hey, Dave, wishing your son a speedy recovery. Well,
thank you, Roy.
I'm gonna catch up with Roy. next couple of days. I should
give Roy Roy is what I love about Roy. He's always we have
signal chats. And I'm sure you have the same show. Everyone has
the same with Roy. He's always the guy who will send a hand
clap of a praying hands emoji and hearts. Here. He's big on
sending hearts and I really appreciate that. Not many men
will do that. You know, not many men will do that. And I really
liked that, that he does that.
It's changed me I started doing I know.
I know. It's funny you say that. I'm like, I love this. The other
okay, I'm in New York. I'm in I'm like, there's a lot of
activity. I'm going to bookstores, my daughter and you
know, this is a bookstore where they forced us to wear a mask.
And I was I was a little irritated and I'm just trying to
figure out I'm texting with Tina, I'm texting with a couple
other people. I'm texting with Dave for some stuff. And and so
I tell Tina, it's like I love you. And then Dave is like, I
love you too. posted the wrong chat.
My day. My ROI mode.
Exactly like oh, okay, I love you too. It's all good.
Very bag, baby. Yeah. Sir Doug 4400. Sets, says message is just
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we did. What was a warm? Post? We do. Long. One on 143. Now
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diff. That's from last the last week. Okay, I'm gonna combine
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Oh, Macintosh. 1000 sets through fountain he says. Thanks for the
kind words last week Dave? I'm just trying to do my part to
help out the message last week was completely messed up by
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Yeah, this is gonna be an influx man. The musicians are
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Oh, yeah. That's the sovereign feeds is driving it. You bet.
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a douche bags.
Remember the last one? Of course you don't
know Dad's curriculum covered that quite well. Now. These guys
are so full of shit. All of them, all of them. Trust me,
it's all going away. You'll see. Netflix can't even keep their
red. They're their members. This is all falling apart in front of
our very eyes.
The next the Netflix thing is just sad. I mean that that's
they have nothing to eat. You have. But who was it that got
bought by discovery? CNN. Okay, see? Let's see. And then and
then you got what an HBO part of that deal to did that come out
of AT and T and
HBO was Warner. So yeah, that's a part of Yeah. And then
you had somebody bought MGM?
Oh, that was a while back. That was Amazon Amazon, right Amazon
bought
in the deal just closed. You've got all these companies that are
consolidating their, their, their catalogs and controlling
these, they're going to end up with a few companies controlling
these huge catalogs of prior films and stuff. And then you're
gonna have Netflix over there with nothing.
Well, most are going to have nothing. It's, it's it's going
to be it's going to it's not going to end well. But also what
do you really have? What do you really have and again, these
companies are not really thrown off profit. I mean, Amazon is
short for their Amazon Studios a loss leader for them. HBO is the
only one really doing it right in my opinion. And I think I
think they've been longtime Yeah, they've been doing a long
time that they're making money, everyone else is not making
money.
I think the time is coming to an end where you're going to be
able to in this is where it relates to podcasting in my
mind, I think the time has come to an end where you're going to
have like these podcasters that where you have a have a good set
of IP and you just roll it over there to Netflix or Amazon and
turn it into like a like a video book film property. Yeah,
because I don't think the money is going to be there to do that
stuff.
I mean, I was listening to pod land and I didn't hear
everything but I heard yeah wonder he is doing shows with
the production budget of $100,000
You kidding me? That doesn't go very far.
You know, it's like no, this is not going to last this is not
gonna last
and then you have the union's trying to take a piece of the
Oh, the union everyone's unionizing. Yeah it's it's I
just feel bad because phony would you know, it's like, oh,
we're all like We're doing productions and we're getting
great distribution. No, you're not. It's a, it's a mirage. The
Rogen and a couple of these big deals this mirage. That's not
That's not where it's not where it's going to wind up, the
budgets are going to stop, they're going to clamp down,
because the money is just not there. I'm just going to keep
saying it. But show me the profit. And now you know, cheap
money is over use of you get money for free, borrow it for
free. If you're a corporation that debts now it's costing
actual, you know, as interest rates go up, it's costing money
again. Oh, okay. Well, maybe we don't spend so much. Thank you.
Thank you, I think we got enough. To wrap it up. Yeah, the
only thing I wanted to mention is Umbral has something kind of
interesting, which is the Agora project, which is an app when
you install it, you can you can specify a directory and you can
put files in there. And people have to pay to download the file
or you can also have a, like a free test, and then you can get
an invoice later. It's kind of interesting. It's not quite what
we need, but it's just, I thought was kind of fun. You
know, Hey, you want this file? You can download it if you pay
me 500 SATs
was Zelicah LSAT thing, or
I'm not quite sure how it works. But it works. It does work. does
work?
I've got I've got a couple of ideas on what I'm going to be
kind of working on this week. And one of them I definitely
want to discuss next week. But it's a big topics, I think, I
think are too long for me
want to just tease it so we can people can start getting mad
about it.
Yeah. Yes, that sounds like a fantastic. Opening the API. We
talked about this once before. So this is we talked about this
probably over a year ago. Is do we open the API to where it
doesn't need authentication? Authentication keys? Yes. And,
and part of that would be creating also a version two of
the API that has this fully restful. So what we have now is
not really a RESTful API. It's, it's sort of the Hi, Mina like
this.
So Do do you typically like pain in your life? Is this why you
figured this would be a good project to embark on to open the
API and aversion to and restful?
Yes, sounds really easy.
Yeah. Let me give that up for you, baby. David. Oh, wow. Okay,
that is a big one. Well, that's why I
want to talk about I want to talk about don't talk about if
we want to do it. Everything in I kind of think we should but I
want to talk it out. Let's talk about let's talk let's talk but
before we do that, yeah.
Yeah, good idea. Oh, man. This is this has been a very
successful a boost. sesh boost. A lot of booster grams. Come
okay, I
said, Dev.
Dev, you can have a dev stash. That's even funnier. Guys, they
just have a dev stash. It's like a hackathon. Only cooler.
A hack. Everything's cooler than a hackathon. Oh, my
brother. I know. We're both tired. But we've covered a lot
of ground.
Well, the this shows get the shows getting more interesting
when we're tired because they make less sense.
Yeah. Do we have some guests coming in the next few weeks? I
think it's time to bring in some people again, don't you think?
By the way, I saw you like, Oh, Dan J. Lewis, we need to have
you on again. Well, you know, that means he's going to be
emailing me every week. This week. Can I be on the show?
Yeah, we're gonna we need to get like three days for for people
to have on the show in the next next couple of months. Good.
Good, good, good. Yeah, I've got I'm starting to line them up now
started today. But I want it held off because I didn't know
what was happening with granting everything right. But, but now
that that's pretty much yes. I think we can bring some people
back in and not have a risk of having to cancel the last
second.
Well, it's I'm glad everything's well with Grant. I'm glad to
have you past the hump in, in the big financial world. And,
and back on the stick man. And I mean, I'm in it myself, you
know, kick my daughter out on Monday and I'm full time as she
is she's still there. Yeah, she's staying here until Monday
till Monday. Yeah, but she's great. She cooks she does all
kinds of cool stuff.
Then I can have you all to myself, baby.
Yes, yes. Yes, yes. All right. You can have me every single
Friday, David Jones. Have a great weekend. We'll see you
next week everybody.
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