podcasting 2.0 for March 4 2020, to Episode 76 pining for pod pig
and a whole lot more of course, if only we could be live. I'd
love to do it live. Hello everybody welcome to the
official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything
happening if podcasting does.org with a namespace and of course
all the brilliance that flows through podcasts index dot
social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and in Alabama. My confidants and podcasting
debutante my friend on the other end, please say hello to Mr.
Dave Jones.
What up world traveler podcast are everywhere guy?
Yeah. Hey, I'm everywhere. Yeah, dude, I went. I went up to
Beck's place. Glenn Beck's studio complex in Irving near
Dallas.
Yeah, I know nothing about this because I by by law, by fiat, I
can not allowed to listen to any other Adam curry property until
after this show. Yes. Do not all I got was it all I know was a
text from you saying? I'm I'm in Dallas. Yeah. Circling back. And
I was like, okay, all right. I'll wait. I'll wait. I want to
hear about it when you get back.
Dude, that's, that's what I was really? Well, first of all, I
stayed with my buddy Vic. So it was a lot of fun, because he's
one of my friends from Jersey, you know, we known each other
for over 30 years. And so I stayed at his house and, and he
went with me, but this Can't he has this like this complex. Have
you ever been to Burbank, like, you know, studios? You know?
You've been to Universal Studios. Yeah. Okay. So those
really, really tall buildings. He has to have those concrete.
And yes, good grief is right. And they're filled with studios.
All kinds of, I mean, just what really impressive stuff. You
know, memorabilia movie, things like large displays of things.
And it's just wall to wall technology, huge studios,
multiple sets. It's like what the hell, and I really didn't do
my homework on him. But the blaze, you know, they got close
to a million subscribers and paying subscribers like 100
bucks a year. Ooh, let that settle in for a sec. Yeah.
100 you can do you can build a lot of studio space with $100
million.
Well, and he has a similar here use a similar building next
door, which is I think the tax strategy where he has a museum.
And this is him to himself. Yeah. Well, it's
not really open to the public yet, but it's all you know, long
rows of tables and documentation. He has smart kids
running around who know everything who are curating and
documenting. It's like, well, here's a Christopher Reeve
Superman suit. Here's a C three P Oh, that's here's the original
R two d two. Oh, and over here, grab a hold of this. Yeah, this
the handle to Abraham Lincoln's door, his front door, so give
that a good rub. And now here's the Mary Todd Lincoln's dress
that she wore when she buried a boy here's the Old Testament in
the original box it just oh, here's we think is the first
electric chair here is an original Franz Gillick
guillotine. Here's Roosevelt's original wheelchair.
I say the original Old Testament in a bomb. Yeah, yes.
I know. In the original box in a wooden box in the original box.
I know. It's huge volumes. Let's do an unboxing of that shit
right now. That's cool. really personable guy. He's my age, you
know. And we had a really nice conversation hour and a half.
Which of course was now he invited me because, you know,
my, my talking about ESG environmental, social governance
and how that relates to the banking system. And I had kind
of I have a wrap now on that, you know, I got a thing that's
kind of down only up to just a little bit. He wrote this book,
The Great reset, where he explains these things as well.
And that's the one thing I always liked about Beck is when
he was on Fox, that's the last time I really watched him. You
know, he's Blackboard and he'd show you how everything was
connected. It always ended with George Soros somehow, you know,
always. So it was it was nice. Yeah.
I haven't heard Glenn. I haven't heard of Glenn Beck show since
he was on like, I don't know. Is he still even on top radio?
Yeah,
he still does a three hour show. Yeah, the show is you know, it's
like talk radio. You can't listen to too many ads.
This is probably like, I mean, I haven't listened to him and
probably oh gosh, is probably close to 20 years. It's been a
long
time. Yeah, well, this this particular episode drops on
Saturday.
No, is this No Is it are you on the blaze thing or is this just
a podcast? They
put it on on Blaze TV yesterday. So that's exclusive for members
and then they put it out as I presume a video on YouTube
that's on YouTube and And then podcast on Saturday. Yeah,
so it's video here on video yes. Yes not your favorite
not my favorite but nice that you know this the dark room was
to hang in microphones that he has to white microphones maybe
you've seen it anyway Now we talked about podcasting 2.0 Yeah
of course did you oh yeah no, no I plugged everything I plugged
mo facts I plugged no agenda plugged the vortex specifically
because you know, it gets all bent out of shape if I don't
mention him
an index card or something like in your pocket where you're
like, like crossing them off or put a check mark, you gotta get
this this
dude, I have it in my head and I plugged food intelligence. You
know, Texas Slim's beef initiative. Oh, yeah, no, I plug
all my boys. Yeah, of course. Of course. That's that's what I do.
This is why I'm here.
Yeah, that's blogger blogger for her. Yeah,
I'm I'm a bit of a plugger so yeah, it was it was quite
enjoyable. I'm sure I'll be invited back on for something
else or whatever. We'll see. Quite the operation up there. I
don't think people realize just how big
that museum about though I don't understand why there's like, it
just seems like a general museum. I would have figured you
said Museum. I'm thinking okay. Museum to himself, you know, or
something like that. Like right now. It's
it's he calls it a museum. It's it's not a museum yet. It's
they're starting to lay it all out and stuff. And I'm not quite
sure what I'm pretty sure of it's a tax strategy.
tax strategy.
Yeah. If you look, if you have $100 million dollars, non
profit, okay, whatever. However it works, and it's fun. Yeah,
this is like people with lots of money do like collect cars.
There's all in you put that in a museum. There's all kinds of
reasons to do this. Gotcha. It doesn't matter, but I'm sure
he'll open some of that up to the public at some point. It's a
hobby lobby guy with the Museum of the Bible or whatever.
But imagine, imagine a Costco. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's, that's
the size of the building. Mm hmm.
It's a Costco that sells. This sells, Mary Todd Lincoln.
cufflinks.
It's like, get a compass. You know, like a like the two pointy
things compass. Not a directional compass.
Yeah, like a draw like scribe. Yeah, right. Exactly. And
he's telling the story about, you know, how he, he had it in
his pocket one day, and he was just kind of rubbing it. And
when he was a little nervous about something, and and, and
you tell him the story says this was George Washington's compass.
And he hands it to me snap, take that in your hand here. Now rub
over that spot. He said, you feel that so he has like it's
worn down? He says, Yeah, I have a feeling that George Washington
was rubbing that very spot. That was kind of cool. And then I
said, Can I sit in the electric chair? He says, no, no, you
can't do that. Damn. That would have been cool. Yeah, so we'll
see. We'll see. I have no idea the reach of next programming. I
don't know if we'll get people showing up. I hope so.
That's, that's kind of an interesting idea that you don't
know the reach. I was listening to listening to buzz Castile on
the way home from lunch. And they were talking about tick
tock in house some of their videos again, you know, 1000
views other ones again, 50,000 views. And I was just thinking
the whole time. How do you ever know that? That's real? Oh, you
don't? Of course not. You have no idea. It could be completely
bogus. Like yeah, it's completely fake and made up
numbers. Yeah. Yeah, that's just a sad thought.
Of course not. You have no idea.
That's a huge revelation of just come to this social media
viewers. Numbers are fake.
Yeah, well, what's interesting is when it comes when I when it
comes to reach like you on Rogan, a lot of people show up
from Rogan and a lot of people have heard about me through my
Rogan appearances. Megyn Kelly, zero Nothing, not a single
thing. And a lot of people watch it. I know a lot of a lot of
people watch that and listen to her. Um, Tom woods, lots of
people show up lots of podcasting. 2.0 Hey, what is
this? What are you guys doing? You know, he's kind of the
libertarian guy.
So there's an audience quality gets reflected with the kid with
like the crossover.
Would you say that? Just say that again.
So there's like, there's this, there's the actual you can just
measure roll number say, Okay, well, if you imagine this world
where you can measure every single person that that had this
all it is, okay, well, there's this. There's really truly this
many people, but then there's there's the SEC, that doesn't
necessarily translate into actual like, doesn't mean that
they're really interested in following through. Oh, no,
no, that's totally dependent upon the audience. What what
type of audience and I can I can understand where Megyn Kelly
audience may not be that interested.
Yeah, no, I mean, if they're, if they're more interested, they
probably might be more interested in Sharon Osborne
than than you. Yes. That's
why I got by Thanks for Thanks for rubbing up my face.
That's not a, that's not a knock on you, that's I got bumped for
it. That was my first appearance. But I'm just doing
this a lot. There's a lot of incoming requests, I'm trying to
pick and choose as much, you know, smartly as possible. I
love doing the Bitcoin podcasts because, you know, they already
kind of get it.
You know, you can, so should we save up? Like have a long term
goal to save up? Three bitcoins so that we can become Venezuela
citizen?
Oh, yes, of course. We're gonna go buddy. Yeah, podcast. Yeah.
moved the whole LLC. Yeah, sure. No, I'm all in but you know, we
have to have six if we're both moving.
Yeah, cuz come well, companies are people too. I'm just
thinking we make they
made the company person make personnel Salvadorian. Okay, I'm
all for that.
Yeah. And then we'll just have, you know, what, have housing
down there that we visit.
And the way to help us reach this lofty goal is by getting a
new podcast app, but new podcast apps.com. Boost us we need to
boost boost us to El Salvador
in some time around when we're at or you know, in our late 80s
We'll be able to make
you know, I was looking as a you know, the first thing I look at
in the morning is podcasts index dot social. In fact, that's, you
know, how your browser prioritizes what you look at me,
I It's always number one. You'd see what's going on. Interesting
stuff happening. You seem to be doing a lot of shoring up of
stuff.
Yeah, it's I'm in cleanup mode, sort of. I'm trying I'm testing
out and it's not so far this has been a complete is not working.
What's not working? No cleanup your cleanup? Project?
No, this this, this, this thing I'm about to tell you is not
worked out. Okay. What I've been trying to say I've gotten
multiple priorities. So I've got the namespace. The index is what
you might call ancillary software, like, like hello pad.
And then you and then the just the podcast. So I'm trying to
figure in well, I just really probably one more is. So social
contract. What I'm trying to do is separate and have like one
week dedicated to namespace This is per month. Like because tasks
witching just sucks me dry. Right? If I have to do like five
different things in one day that are in different spheres,
spheres of, you know, you need
unity. You need headspace for it. Like if you're doing
lightning shit, you're in different headspace. Yeah, yeah,
no, I totally get that. I have that problem, too. With all the
codes. I love the coding. I do.
It's really annoying. I know that about you? Yes. Especially
between languages. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, the switches so hard.
And so trying to figure out if I can do okay, dedicate a week
each month to namespace another the next week to API the next
week to index in the next week to you know, something like
other software under
Raja. How's that working out for you?
Yeah, it's a disaster. It's complete disaster.
I'm sorry to hear that. Thing is like, I knew that was the answer
somehow.
Yeah, I started the week like, Okay, this is namespace week.
And I haven't looked at the namespace in two days now. So
this is what I have with to do lists. Whenever a to do list is
definitely the place where tasks go to die. You know, and yeah,
and just and they just hang there, and they sit there and
then what you do, like, I'll start a new to do list,
because once you put it on the to do list, you feel like you've
accomplished accomplished
something. Yes, exactly. This is exactly the problem. Right.
Okay. Well, how can I how can I make that easier for you, Dave?
I know it's nothing. I don't think it's anything you can do.
I just have to actually follow through on my plans.
Well, I mean, you you you have read The Seven Habits of Highly
Effective People.
No, hell no, I've
not read that. You've never looked at GTD
cheat? Get things done. Yeah. No, because get
thing get things done. I do I follow the get things done
method with the freedom controller without lines.
So what is it? What is it's just,
it's just a method of having three basic buckets of things
you're going to prioritize and again, some very simple rules.
And then you know, with the if you if you combine that kind of
with the seven habits of highly effective people you get, so
it's kind of a toolkit of a work methodology. You can take little
bits and pieces of it but personally, getting things done
and you can get, I mean, there's all kinds of outliner based
things that will do it but the freedom controllers perfect For
that,
this is the thing. Well, the thing that I'm most need to get
in most, that's a dangerous work. Yeah, the thing that is
annoying me the most right now is is the aggro is the
aggregator. So the aggregator split into two parts, you got a
polar and a parser. And they run pair, they run parallel. And
there's there's eight of them currently, they they are all
pulling feeds and parsing them in parallel, right? The the, the
polar part of that is called aggravate in it as a node. js
script. Yeah. And it's a big mess. It was written back at the
time of node 12. And I've been carrying it forward, we're now
on like Node 17. Or send us like five versions back. Yeah. And
the since then, the main library request library, HTTP Polar
Library that it uses is just called request, that's been that
has been deprecated. It's no longer even in active
development. Yeah, the bug fixes don't get get done. It's slowly
breaking over time, it is slowly getting more and more unable to
handle modern quirks within protocol. It's got crud.
Yeah. And
so that, like it doesn't, I've been noticing more and more TLS
1.3 issues where it just kill you
had one the other day, where did you someone's couldn't
authenticate with there was not it, I saw something come into
the email, application issues,
we there was something with, well, and I still haven't
figured this out, it's something buried deep in this library,
where there's one seed out there, that that just won't, it
doesn't seem to SSL handshake correctly. And I can't, I can't
figure it out. And I've been sort of battling this for a few
days and stuff, I've, um, I've started laying out a new
aggregate a new puller. And so I've got it framed like
wireframe, and it's a rust app and that kind of thing. So I
feel like that's the direction I want to go. And it's working
well so far. But now what I need to do is figure out a way, the
conceptual work for this is going to be to make it not touch
the database. If, like, ever, if all possible, what I really
wanted to do is just pull the list of feeds from the database
in my database initially, and then never touch it again. And
and then let the parser takeover, parse out everything
and let it update the database. Because currently, what's
happening is the puller and the parser are both touching the
database a bunch. So if there's a, if you're, if it goes out
there to pull a feed, and it ends up with a 301, redirect,
then it then it stops, updates the database to show that it's a
301, then tries to follow the redirect, and then comes back.
And if that if that worked, then it updates the database with
with a success, time code and all this kind of stuff. There's
all this stuff in order to keep if if last modified since header
headers and all this kind of stuff in shape. So what I really
want this new version to do is essentially pull the feed or
attempt to describe all the things that happened in that
attempt into the feed file that has the content
and the logic, the logic is in there, even right now if the
parser has to get anything,
right and then the parser can pick it up and either parse it
or not, and update the database accordingly with what it found
in the
file. You know, you need. You need an intern. And you do you
need an intern? You do need an intern to help you with your
busy schedule. I can I find an intern for you.
Sure. Yeah, absolutely. As Kim cannot pay them nothing and
awesome around and they can feel like crap.
As I said an intern this is exactly this is college credit
kid. What's your problem? This is this is experience. This is
in fact, in fact, you should be paying us
exposure, this exposure.
Exposure, it's good for your exposure. Mm hmm. Okay, that's
what I'm right now pod ping is kind of outside of this, but the
more pod ping the less. We need to rely on this type of system.
Correct.
Okay, yeah. If I could talk, if I could tell this guy I know Dan
Benjamin into supporting pod thing, then my life would be
even easier. hours a week. Let's go
find this guy. I saw him show up in a press release today. Or
yesterday, I think Yeah. And I'm like, What is he doing? And why
hasn't he requested our permission to go and do this
before he went off. Fincher, welcome to the board. Meeting a
board member we've had here before. We always appreciate him
coming by fellow Texan. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to Mr.
Dan Benjamin.
Hey, thanks, guys. Thanks. You know, it's always honored to be
here. I appreciate it.
That's right. Hi guys. Like Like, smash that like button
subscribe. There you go.
You're the Joan Rivers, podcasting. 2.00
I am wonderful. I'll take it. I think I can go with that.
Dan, man, Dan, Dan the man so it was just coincidental that we
had just scheduled for today or did we pick you up for the most
recent announcement?
I mean, I think both I think there's a little element of both
in life there everything is a mystery. So but I'm you know,
I'm glad to be here. We definitely have some cool stuff
to talk about. And um, it was just perfect timing. I think you
guys had the the opening and, and Dave hit me up and he's
like, You gotta come on. I'm like these course I'll be on
course I'll be on so.
So Dan, is the founder and CEO of fireside.fm. And Mark Cuban
works for him. Whatever happened to that Cubans thing, and no one
gave a shit about that Dude, that was just just went away.
No, it didn't go away. It sees they're still using it. They're
still out there doing stuff with it raising raising big money
signing up. Really NFL? Yes, it's not. It's not. It's not
great. No.
Is it close is a closed system. I mean, are these NFL podcasts?
I have no idea. I don't know what they're doing over what
happened to the name dispute. How did that get settled? Still?
It's not settled. Oh, man. It's still happening. It's you know,
I don't know. I don't know about you. But like, the prospect of
going after a, like a multi billionaire. You know, isn't
thrilling?
Well, I did it. I did. I countersued MTV over mtv.com.
And it wasn't, it was very scary. Yeah, the legal fees were
insane. Yes, I'm talking. I'm talking $200,000. Sure. And that
was 1992. Yes, it's now that's crazy. Yeah. How's how's the
real fight? How's the og fireside.fm? Doing?
It's going really well, you know, there. There's, there's
features in the works. And it's just it's slow. Because, you
know, I'm doing I'm doing other things as we're going to talk
about and so it you know, I have I have people helping me. And
that's,
do you have internal interns?
Don't have interns that I can boss around? And what was meant?
Nothing? Yeah, pay? No, no, I pay I pay a lot.
So where are you on? I'm just gonna drill you until we get to
the meat and potatoes here. Where are you on namespace
integration? What are you doing on that?
I really good. I'm behind a little bit. Now. I was in the
lead for a while adopt anytime, Dave would date or a dream of a
feature? And I would have it implemented before he could?
Yes. But good old days before you found venture capital.
Yeah, and I'm not in that quite of a fast Mo. But working on it.
I want to be 100% compliant to the namespace. And that's the
goal. And I'm committing to that guys publicly committing to it.
Oh,
okay. So carefully what more I can do for you. Time code.
Now you you've been a great a great supporter, Dan, really
appreciate I know
what you're doing. And we're freeing it, we're freeing it
from our corporate overlords over at Apple podcasts and
Spotify, who I like both of those companies for different
reasons. And I have problems about those companies for
different reasons. But I think that I think that overall,
having something like this is, this is exactly why I made
fireside in the first place because supporting independent
podcasters supporting people that are out there, just just
trying to have fun with this in this space and trying to do
something that it's important and meaningful. And not, you
know, having a standard out there having an index out there
is so nice. It's so so, so cool. And you guys have built the
right kind of API, and it's it's self aware. It's a living thing.
And I love that about it. So yeah, I'm all behind.
Thank you. And what I realize myself a day or two ago is, you
know, just looking at how well you can do with with booster
grams, but also really the independence and the reliability
of podcasts and 2.0. That, you know, as an industry, we kind of
think of things like, well, you know, you're not as big as
Apple, you're not as big as Spotify, you know, you don't
register. But that's not really the point. The point is, we have
an uninterrupted flow. We have features that people want, it
could take five more years before, you know, these apps
really and this type of function could take 10 years I don't know
before the functionality is generally accepted and expected.
But we'll get there that it doesn't have to be like this.
Oh, well. You know, we'll never be bigger than Apple who gives a
shit, right? Anybody who wants to feature anybody podcasts who
tells their audience, Hey, you want to support me this way? Or
do you want to see chapters this way, their audience will
eventually go get an app. They will. That's just how it works.
That's how it's always worked. I mean, the person the first,
arguably the first app was an AppleScript gear, download this
figured out.
Here's the thing I've been thinking about. And I think I
read and this was the week of to, like, the two stupidest
articles I've read in like years. What one was this? This
article about? The whole internet's gonna become a
podcast,
wrote this, I need to
I don't even know somebody in Forbes. It was so stupid. And
then but the other one was, this other article said, the guy's
basic premise was the apple podcast app sucks, but I'm but
I'm never gonna stop using it. Oh, what was that about? It was
essentially like this weird diatribe about how it's hard to
stop using something once you have some inertia. And even
though it's it's this horrible thing that makes my life
miserable. I'm just never gonna stop using Oh, did
James Kirtland write this?
No, no, no. This was somebody from? I can't I can't even
remember. I don't even remember. I've got it. Actually, you know
what I've ever printed out. I shouldn't have to remember
things. I printed them. Yes. And it's from Fast Company. That's
where it's wrong. Okay. So anyway, the so here's, here's
what I was thinking. The problem here with a lot of things,
there's there's always this chicken and egg problem of new
features. And he has some, he knows some apps that wait for
the for the hosts, and then some hosts that wait for the apps and
his chicken and egg. What Why can't we start a industry why a
campaign that's that's the word I'm looking for a PR campaign of
get a decent podcast app.
A modern I prefer modern, modern day modern podcast app. I've
been saying this for months and months. And some people pick it
up a little bit. Actually, Dream James Cridland uses that very
often.
It's the meaning people it was the
podcast is the podcasters ship, that's if you want to help
podcasting 2.0 You need to remind your listeners to get a
modern podcast app. And that's why we have new podcast apps
calm.
I feel like there needs to be this PR component to it where
people feel like they they're getting like their their money
missing out like like a FOMO if they don't also say like this
whole thing of, you know, get get to show wherever you get
your podcast, that became a thing because it other people
were doing it. If we if we make it popular to say, Get out, you
know, don't use don't use a crappy podcast app get a better
here's
what I do. If you want to ensure that the next time you listen to
the no agenda show that you actually get it on your podcast
app, and it's updated within 60 seconds of me releasing it and
you want all these cool new features, get a modern podcast
app, a new podcast apps calm but also the apps you know, apps
need to be marketing themselves you know, software that's and
not everyone has that aspiration by the way, not everybody
aspires to going out of marketing their app, but the
ones that do see success
Well, it's not just podcasting 2.0 apps to its I was the
broader indie independent podcast app ecosystem so I mean,
that's that's for us addict and
then and for us it's hard when people ask me all the time, what
do you recommend? I can't recommend anything that's not
fair. Yeah, go Tron. And I like them all for different reasons.
Honestly. I use five six apps continuously.
Same now but yeah, I feel I felt like we can make a dent in this
behemoth of apple pie. I go back keep going back to this example
of Google Chrome that never ships on any computer all these
this this dominant market share that Google Chrome has grown
because
people point that's a huge point.
Dan, you're a marketing guy. What do we do? Dance Dance more
marketing guy they you know believe me damn it when I say
that I'm sincere. I'm
not the reason I laugh because I'm the only things that me and
Dan have ever done together have been dismal failures. How about
that you add that user ID about this?
I mean, you know it's been picked up by everyone it's
supported across the industry universally and you know, we're
getting our we should be getting our Platinum our check for that.
Yeah, and the check to check Yeah, where's that? Um, I don't
know what you guys I don't know. Because the thing is, you know,
if you if you look at the stats, and I'm I see stats all the time
with the fireside stuff and I'm seeing them in our spooler stuff
to some degree. It's I mean, it really is overwhelmingly still
like everybody, stupid. Everybody uses Apple podcasts
like it's, it's there on your phone. And it's that's the the
really at the end of the day, it comes down to that. And the
difference is that discriminating people will say,
Well, I'm going to try a different app for this, or my
friend said to try this one, or I'm already using a different
one. And they don't care what's on their phone, when they take
it out of the box, you know, and you're to your point about
Chrome. Yeah, people have to go and download Chrome. And they
have to know to do that. And I'm always a little bit surprised
when someone that I consider to be kind of an Normie, or a new,
you know, somebody who's just a regular human being has chrome
on their Mac, for example, and they're not using Safari that
always throws me a little bit, you know,
but we have so again, it doesn't matter to me that most people
listen on Apple. In fact, the more apple breaks, the more
people choose the modern podcast app, I have it every single day.
It's like, Oh, it didn't, you didn't upload it to Apple, okay.
Go get it, go get it over here. Doesn't doesn't really matter to
me. And it doesn't it overall, doesn't matter. We have the
connective tissue, I believe. And it just it's taking time,
but it's taking off of the value for value streaming payments.
That's what binds everybody together. incentivize
incentivizes the entire ecosystem. And we're moving
towards that. It's just time. It's just time. And this size
doesn't matter. But Apple be the number one, lots of people drive
ugly ass shit cars, too.
Well, now the the Google Chrome analogy, I think it kind of
bears out what it what it means to be cool. Give me
a pretending like because Google doesn't have a marketing budget
for that. How about the search engines? I mean, there's all
kinds of there was on both sides. It's on both sides. It's
you know,
you want it but but the marketing the marketing budget
for Chrome? See, I don't think that's where they won. Because
Mike, Microsoft has marketing budgets to it that at one time
were much bigger than Google. And what I'm saying is, I think
the chrome one, because it became uncool. To use Internet
Explorer, that's a very valid point. It became like you were
you were a loser. You're considered to be like an old,
like an old, you know, like an old person. Like, it wasn't like
Facebook, Facebook or whatever. Oh, you still use Facebook? I
mean, that's like, I would never use that. Yeah, right now,
right. So somehow, somehow there, there has to be this,
this cool factor that, that that happens and, you know, clear
clearly. I know everything I'm talking about with marketing. So
that we have we have 15 cool factor features. You know, some
nerdy Well, chapters is a real thing. I mean, chapters is
something being being discussed. Let's talk about spooler right
now. And by the way, James Oh, bogs didn't contact me and asked
me to be a part of this wonderful venture. I'm so
disciplined. I'll take it up with him. So disappointed. How
did this come? What is spooler? How this come together? Dan?
What? Give us some details.
Yes. So um, so I think it was like the original idea was fully
I think, fully formed before they before they found me and
this was the, the founders or Andy Bowers, James bhagsu
mentioned and Henry Blodgett who, who runs insider comm. And
they had this concept, I think they called it something like,
like, like always on audio news, or something like that. But the
idea behind it was really, the idea that you could have, you
know, podcasts are, are primarily used for things later,
right, like, oh, the big now, whatever the Big Apple event,
and then we're going to talk about it later or whatever.
Because it's difficult to get that kind of immediacy and
urgency around a podcast. Now, when you record because your
background is in broadcasting, you've got a really, really
great workflow that lets you record something. And
essentially, like, it's live to tape, you can you can publish
the thing almost immediately. But, you know, even even
something like that. It's, it's a different technology, a
different technique than the way that news companies are really
organized and set up to run. And so the idea was, maybe we could
use the kind of content insertion, I won't call it ad
insertion, because that limits the concept of what it is. But
that that same technology that's used for dynamic ad insertion in
a lot of podcasts, couldn't we use something like that to
create content that's based on stories, news stories that are
breaking and that are updating? So what you have is you have
this concept of a new story or a new segment. And and so the
example you might use is like Biden is going to In the nuclear
summit, Biden is attending the nuclear summit, Biden attended
the nuclear summit. And I had this to say about it. Well,
technically, that's one story, right? That's a lifecycle of a
single, a single story. And maybe there's a way to take that
story. And automatically as the story gets updated, essentially,
publish that. But have it be part of a bigger set of news
stories that in other words, isn't is an episode of a
podcast. But then as these individual stories get updated,
the episode can be republished, some of the content is brand
new, some of it is being updated. And so you get this
almost like a river of news. That was kind of the original
concept. And so the, you know, using those tools to do that,
that means that you can have different reporters or different
voice talent or different content creators in different
places. They're all saying, Oh, here's a news story, they can
record that thing and publish it. And then it gets updated
within this larger episode, this larger podcast, and that's kind
of the, you know, the the genesis of this idea and just
does a new episode each time or you, you, you pick up the same
episode, each time is different.
Yeah, you're getting essentially because of the way that that
gives you IDs work behind the scenes in order for podcast
clients to actually get that update. Right? It needs to be a
new episode, otherwise, the people would only ever hear
those updates, if they, so maybe you ask him what kind of spec
for this. But, you know, because right now, the thing that
triggers a podcast client to download something is that
different grid, that's what it says to them, I've got something
new to download, it's not published date, it's not
anything yet. It's not the title. It's that grid. So in
order to push new content out, we've got to update that well.
So that's where kind of the genesis of this embeddable
player that is really useful for a news organization is, and that
is we use a completely different mechanism to update these
players. But the idea is that you go to the website, in this
case, it would be insider, but could be any, any news website,
any website, you would go to that. And there's going to be a
player that's going to be automatically updating itself,
whenever there's new content and showing you what's new. So
alright, so hold on, he calls let me understand something. So
yeah, part of the strategy is you have a specialized player,
which is necessary for the way it works. And how do we make
this work on podcasting? 2.0? Can we make that work? What can
we do? Is that a pod ping thing? How do we accomplish this?
Yeah, I mean, I think it could very well be because, you know,
again, the RSS feeds with the right kind of tags in them.
Maybe there's a way, I don't know. But it would be really
great. If there was some other trigger that could say read
download this episode. And Mark, it is new. I don't know I
haven't given that a ton of thought, but but
we get we've gotten, we've gotten you know, we've refreshed
refresh the metadata now on every on every poll. So if
something has changed within the feed, like, so, we're looking at
the item details themselves. And if one of those item details has
changed, it will trigger sort of a refresh in the database. So it
sounds to me, like, what's happening is there's a lot of
and this is why I wanted to have you on because I wanted to get
through this whole topic. The it sounds to me like what is be
critical for this is pod paying support. Yeah. Because Because
when, you know, every time the feed or something in the feed
changes, or the audio enclosure changes, or something, there
needs to be if it can happen, so if it can happen really quickly,
like within hours, rather than you know, then is we really need
to be getting, like some kind of trigger that says, okay,
something changed, something changed something.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, with RSS feeds,
you know, there's some, you need something like, like popping,
you need something like that. And that's absolutely something
that they want to
do. Damn. So let me just understand the business here. Is
this intended for news organizations to use spooler? Or
is the you see this as a consumer product? What exactly
is the product? Yeah,
so yes, the answer to your question is yes to both things
right now for sure. 100% This is something that news
organizations would do when we've had like crazy interest,
but they they love this because what this means is typically
especially news organizations that have like a radio arm
already, they can get rid of people. Well, probably, but what
they what they're doing is they're generating sometimes
hundreds of news stories, and they're essentially they're
sending those to their affiliates. And their affiliates
are like taking the ones they want but when they're editing
them down into a radio show or whatever they're doing it's
there's like it's editing like it's legit like they're Embroid
God Pro Tools or whatever. And they're they're editing stuff
together. And with this solution, it's all programmatics
when you're listening to something that spelers created,
we're doing everything behind the scenes. We're taking those
different news stories, what we call segments, and we're
organizing them. And you can you can just by dragging and
dropping, you can pick them, you can pick the order.
They get a CMS that they put, yes,
yes. And then there's this river within the CMS of oh, here's all
the stories I can choose from, I can put them in the order that I
want. I can put little sound effects in there. I can put in
themes. I can have looping music beds, I can do intros, outros, I
can do ad insertion, obviously. And when I hit that publish
button, it's going to take all of that build an mp3, it's going
to, you know, completely sweeten the audio with the Dolby stuff.
And then it's going to publish it both to the player and to the
RSS feed. And so the player has a different feed that it uses.
It's not RSS, it's JSON, that just a custom JSON that we use
to power the player. And then the RSS feed, it gets updated.
And of course, we're doing chapters and everything else
that you would normally do do an mp3 file and delivering it down.
Yeah.
How about podcasts in 2.0 chapters? Can we get some
namespace for this?
That is very high on the list, the next thing that we're
working on,
the pod thing has got to be critical in here. Yeah,
we can we can, because what it does, excuse me that the way I
see it is it would help you with your consumer part of the
business, which is it seems undeveloped as of yet.
Yes. By His name secret or just secret secret?
Oh, I'm sorry. I need to say, Wow, I'm under NDA. Oh, I wish I
could tell you all the secret. I'd love you, Todd. The, you
know, we can immediately you know, depending on support, but
I don't see why not. It you know, we can make a lot of this
into the new apps. And you would have a consumer play right
there. I would love that. Yeah, we and by the way, Dave, they're
looking for a senior software engineer, you would like to be
early applicant, I can click here apply. And
they can't they can't afford me. I don't think
so. You're right. So how did you get involved in this, Dan? I
mean, yeah, because you're the chief technology officer. Of
course, we all we all know, James, I guess you knew him a
bit better than me.
James, it's all because of James. So um, James, James left
Apple. And I think he was, you know, just figuring out what he
wanted to do next. And after, after he reached out to me, I
was just kind of I had seen the tweet that he made when he was
leaving apple. And I said, Hey, man, I said, whatever you're
doing next, like I want I want to be part of it. Because I
always enjoyed working with him at Apple. He was so helpful to
me and to five by five and
fireside was very gracious. Oh, nice. Oh, absolutely.
I mean, and he's one of these guys that he's just like, when
you meet him in the first five minutes, like he was so nice.
And like, he's always that nice. Like, he's just one of these
genuinely kind, nice people who's enthusiastic about the
stuff you guys are doing and stuff I've been doing. And so a
little while later, he's like, Were you serious? When you said
you might want to work on some with me? I'm like, Yeah, I would
love to work on something with you. And, and so that's when he
introduced me to Andy. And they, you know, Andy shared what sort
of his vision was and he's been in, he's like, og podcaster. You
know, he's done so much. And in in the podcasting space, and
really cares about the news is passionate about the news. And,
you know, they, they had this idea, and they told me what the
idea was, and they're like, you know, do you want to help us
build? And I'm like, obviously, yes, this is amazing. This is
really cool. Because it really takes it takes podcasting in a
direction that I feel like it always should have been going in
but it but because the technology maybe wasn't there or
whatever. But that is the immediacy of news, the urgency
of news and, and what's really cool that I think, Adam, you
would like that behind the scenes. You know, we talked a
lot about this concept of defining truth at a specific
moment in time. And what we have built into this system is that
the news as it's being reported, essentially, in fact, should be
almost immutable. So you have almost almost this concept of a
blockchain Nish SNESs in a way in that it what what it lets you
do is when when you're updating a news story, the previous
version of that news story is preserved. So you have these
different versions in any update creates automatically.
No, no, no, no news organization wants to have that they want to
be able to delete delete the shit that they know
and get rid of. We don't want that. That's the
but the thing is 1984
I can't have I know but isn't. Wouldn't that be great if you
could hold people accountable to the stuff that they said? They
were
there, Dan? I want your venture to be successful man. Listen to
your uncle Adam. Now on this one. We I'd love to support you.
It sounds and I like James. I secretly I had the feeling He
felt that podcasting was in good hands and he could leave and let
Apple go fuck it up. Which, yeah, and that's I've always
felt like okay, the Curry's is crazy guy, but I think we're
safe there with podcasting in general. And it's nice to see
when Axel Springer who invested in the venture, they're serious
people that you know, that's not that's not a venture capital
play. That's that's a real that's a real organization
broadcast organization that understands this news, etc. Now,
I will say like Russian to the Germans do always want their
money back. So beware.
I'm looking at the podcast feed forum in my right and in
understanding that there's only one feed right now.
Correct. There is there is a refresh. Mm hmm. That is the
that is the big show that has come out of of the Insider. And
that was our they're the first folks that we're working with.
But there the plan, of course, would be to have every, you
know, every news organization in the world should want to do
this. So they should all come in, come to us and say we want
that. And you know, and then we can we can come out.
Okay, so then I'm looking at the feed right now. And what I'm
seeing is there's so when let's just take this one, for
instance, march 4, Final Edition, must sets blah, blah,
blah, the title, this item, if if this gets updated with new
audio, is what in this item is going to change the GU ID or
just the or decal enclosure? Or is there anything visible that
changes?
They would probably also change the title. Because they you
know, there's technically you wouldn't have to change the
title, but they typically are so with each update the way that
they're doing it is I think they're releasing, you know, a
handful throughout the day. And I think that, you know, you
know, Will Will it become hourly? I think it could. But
you know, it's definitely multiple, multiple per day. And
they typically will change the title. So depending on how you
wanted to do it, you might have a morning edition afternoon or
an evening, what they call the final addition, for the day
two, this will be so sexy with chapters with links and
transcripts. Oh sexy that your your customers will love that.
I would hope so. Yeah.
So do you have customers yet? You have you have customers in
the door? Oh,
you know, I can't NDA about it. I can't talk about but yes. I
mean, yes. There's a lot of there's tremendous, tremendous
and shocking, shocking interest.
Okay, calm calm down. You're doing it. You're overshadowing
me, you're overdoing it now. Damn. It, yes.
Now. Okay. Now, so the URL of the enclosure does not change.
It does when a new episode is updated. So that needs a new new
file name in the case so that it would would change to if they if
they wanted it to. And there's, you know, it's unfortunate that
that's the only real mechanism that we have. That's the only
way that
pod ping brother. That's why pod pig is perfect for this. So if
and all your publishers need to hit pod ping, and then you're
done.
So if we have if we have pod bacon going and we don't update
the grid, I don't know maybe the file name updates, will that
cause an redownload to happen in NUS compliant nines?
No? Well, it will, it will tell comply, it will tell anybody
watching the piping, Blockchain activity, it will tell them that
something in the feed changed. And they need to go figure out
what it is right. So let's get going. We'll get going. Yeah,
the way we would do it is going to be that if if the title
changes, or the feed route URL changes, or the pub date
changes, anything other than description, because description
can be dynamic, and it doesn't mean that anything substantive
changed. So if any of those other fields, title gwit,
obviously enclosure and pub date, any of that jazz, if any
of that image, URL, any of that changes, we'll get we'll get the
new copy.
Correct, but can't but can't pod ping signal. Hey, update to XYZ,
here's what you got to do.
Well, here's here's what, here's what I want to ask you about
that specific thing. Dan, is that, like, is there a live
component is going to be part of spooler?
I mean, I, I think I would like to build that that's not
something we're talking about a lot. But I would I would love to
okay,
because that that's, it makes that seems to be the logical
next thing you think of is like if you're, if it's sort of like
this rapid news update thing, then you would think that there
might be a sort of live component where it's like, okay,
I can go live now. And yeah, here's the thing. Here's a
broadcast and that will be you'll, when you finish it, it
gets stitched into the audio.
Yeah. Can I use that on our show yet? Dave? Is it almost ready?
Yeah, yeah. Wait,
I'm waiting on you.
What do you mean? You're waiting on me? You told me. Don't Don't
do that to me. Seriously? Yeah. What am I supposed to
do? I think we're good to go. I don't know what to do. Yeah, but
we get it. We get a cuddle and talk about Okay.
All right. Well, you haven't been very cuddly lately, dear.
It's been a little annoying. I'm
not the been the one. That's okay.
Well, listen, I my job so I can feed this family. Okay.
There's a lot of love in the room. That's very exciting. Dan,
I look forward to us integrating with that. That'll be very cool.
Have you gotten into value for value at all? And not related to
spooler? But just podcasts and into boosting and streaming?
going, Man, I think that's where everything is going. I think.
Could you could you could you rephrase that and say, I'm
shocked at the interest. It's just outrageous. It's
insane. What kind of interest there is right now and value for
value? I'm seeing it everywhere
I go. I love you, man.
Yeah, have you a future way of the future?
Have you used it yourself at all?
Not in as effective as a way as you do. But I have one show now
that's completely listener supported and I would I would
prefer to only do listener support on a personal level.
Only doing listener supported only only doing things where we
have direct engagement and involvement with the audience.
It's so much better even if it means I make less or even if it
means I make very little I think it's worth it because it'd be
you
don't that's the thing. Well, the really doesn't matter. And
with the booster grams, people going nuts. It's really
interesting. It's we transitioned, except for our
monthly pay pals. And you know, we have two larger, larger
donors, Mark, overcast and Buzzsprout. I think the
transition to streaming SATs and boosting has been pretty good
actually. We probably it's a little lower overall, but but
people there's more people doing it. And in hell kind of froze
over. I actually opened a channel to Todd Cochran node
today. Really? I didn't expect that to happen. Yeah, he built
himself. did he build his own node? Yeah, he's
got a Raspberry Pi with an M with an umbrella. Yeah. That's
pretty cool. Why don't you? Why don't you have an umbrella? And
I mean, Raspberry Pi on a lightning node and stuff. Dan,
me You're, you're such a geek, you would love that. Yeah. You
totally love playing with that stuff. I would love to get it
with all your spare time with all your spare time.
Yeah, that's that's the only problem. That's a problem.
Yeah, I am. So go ahead. No, she is so from this new this from
from this new product? What? What has jumped out at you? And
this is the other big question I want to ask of, of what? I don't
want to phrase this. What have you seen that would make it what
tags? Or what new things in the feed? Can we build that would
help you to more to more realize this vision that spooler wants
to do?
That's a great question. Because, you know, like I
mentioned earlier to power the player, the player has little,
you know, it's essentially like a mini podcast app in a way in
that, you know, we can pull data, we can do things right now
delivered mainly over RSS. And I think, really, there isn't that
much that that is in that that's in there that we want at this
point. But But what I can see down the road, when when I think
about this, I think about personalization, like how cool
would it be, if I could say I want this kind of news this way?
You know, how do we how do we add that layer to it. And I
don't know if that's something that you guys can, you know, can
build in and can help with? Or if it's just something that I
think about a lot because, as you you know, like, if you look
at what happened with the cable companies, how they basically
said, this is the cable plan, like you can have this and you
can add HBO and that's like it to what we have now, which is
well I like the Disney plus stuff. So I'm going to get
Disney plus or I like what HBO is offering. And now we're
having to pick and choose from all these different companies.
It's it's almost like like that in a way from the podcasting
standpoint. If you could say I just want this content, or I
want this content from here and this content from here and this
content from here and imagine it all coming together and in one
place. That's kind of what we want except right now we're
having to get it from all these these different sources. I don't
know really, if it's talking but I'm thinking about better
attribution if there's a better way than just the author tags
but credit for writing credits, you know, I'm saying something
that allows if, if you have an episode of a show that might
pull content from lots of different places, I feel like
attribution is going to be more and more and more important over
time. So along those lines
tool that brings up a couple of things in my mind, we've got,
we've got a few different proposals. And these, we hit a
lot of easy stuff in the beginning of the namespace. So a
lot of and I say, easy in quotes, what I really mean by
easy is that they were sort of obvious. I mean, you had things
low hanging fruit, low hanging fruit, yeah, chapters, and you
had things like pride, like a license tag meeting things like
this, this like, Okay, well, fine. But then, as we go
forward, hitting the harder things, the things that take
longer to build, and they need schema, and they need protocol.
And so like things like the cross app comments and all that
jazz, here, one thing, there's a few of these types of things
that have been banned, you know, thrown around. One is podcast
related. And I think Alex gates brought that up, and sort of
this would be a tag, a related tag, which was, okay, this, this
episode of this podcast is related to this other episode of
potentially this other podcast. And basically a way to reference
other material in other podcasts within a certain feed item.
There's, there's that idea. And
that would be that was kind of designed more for the mythical
discovery.
I think it's more than that. Because like in this was defined
in the context of being able, so if you have a live item, if
somebody goes live, and you have a live item in the feed that
live item ins, well, then you may also want to then publish
another item, that's exactly the same thing. So here would be the
flow, it would be, you go live, they listen to your app, and
it's live. And then that live stream ends, will then then the
podcaster, goes back edits, the edits the audio down into a
published state, publishes it as an item. And now you could
potentially, if the podcaster wanted this, you could have both
in the feed, you can have the live unedited raw version in the
published version. So this is sort of like a studio track and
a live track. And they can both be in the feed. And in that
point, you would want to say you'd want to be able to connect
them somehow to let the app and the user know, these, these are
two versions of what is essentially the same thing.
Right. So that's really, that's the related idea that you would
say, Okay, this is related to this other item in this way. So
I could see something there, if we flesh that out. And that
becomes as it gets more feet to it, that those sort of
connectors between items, might be a way to go and do that. Then
there's this other notion that that Tom and Kevin came up with
of channels. And these words, they're sort of like thinking
along the lines of part of the new Apple podcast, ecosystem
channel concept. But but really not so much. Just that channel
concept within Apple is tied really to subscriptions a lot.
So those are more like networks. The these are the channels would
be more like groupings of related shows. For any reason,
not just because somebody's got a network. And a wonder, I mean,
that's one of the some things like that may address some, do
you think that would address some of what you're thinking
about?
I do? Yeah, I think that's a really neat way to do it. And I
absolutely love the idea of the live stuff. And I could actually
see, oh, you know, just like y'all doing broadcast
journalism, where you have someone introducing something
live, and then you've got the package that's already been
made, you know, I could see something like that working too.
I think it's there's a lot of potential, a lot of potential,
I was thinking about namespace tags. And in the context of the
last board meeting, where we were talking about claim codes,
and it kind of dawned on me, that everything that's that you
need to claim code for, should almost by default, be a
namespace tag. of almost all these companies are adding some
value, but only within their own, sometimes fully, sometimes
semi walled garden. There's no benefit to all the podcast apps.
But you know, when it comes to comments, ratings, all these
different things, that's all it's all versions of the same
thing. It should all what do you think Dave? mentum it's it seems
to me like you should never have to go claim something for a
service you should be able to put you know, that information
should be able to be handled in a decentralized way and and the
namespace tags does that in most cases, I think
yeah, I mean,
I'm not I'm not I'm not saying you know, remove, remove other
companies, etc. But a lot of these things that that these
companies offer, as I get Because I get spammed because my
email addresses in the feed. I'm like, Well, yeah, you know, we
can do?
Well, the thing that pops up first, I mean that we, you have
to do sort of a claim process with podcast and washer. And
that that is well that
I'm separate. I'm sorry, I don't mean to bring up the
authentication part because I'm in agreement with you there. I
have no problem.
Okay, so you're separating, you're separating ownership from
authentication somehow, or I'm or
what I'm saying is most of the places where you are asked to
authenticate are features that should be in the namespace.
Oh, okay. I understand. Because so what you're saying like in
our ours is, would be a good example of that. So we were, you
know, you're claiming, claiming your feed on podcast or wallet,
and then you and then we hold the value tags, since you can't
put in your feed yourself. But really, you should be putting in
in your feed yourself. Yes. Okay.
Exactly. Exactly. But, yeah, so Well, precisely. And as we, I
think those types of shim companies, who also again, can
be incentivized through the value for value streaming,
distribution. You know, that that's the way forward in even
if the if these companies go off and do their own thing, I think
we should always be looking at what are the features people are
strapping onto their feed? And can we put it in a namespace
tag?
Yeah, next is what watching what? Watching what the industry
for lack of a better term, watching what people are seeing
what they need? And then okay, how can we do this in a way
where people don't have to have some Yeah,
it helps all those companies with those great ideas to get
into all the apps with whatever they're offering.
Yeah, that makes sense. It does. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense.
Because you can see that you made it if if enough people need
it, then just make it where it can be canonical within the
fetus.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's a V there. Have you seen this
impervious browser?
Not even heard of it? No.
So someone sent me this. It's the Impaler
pro the impervious.ai. Right. Yeah,
that's the same P Yeah, I have seen that thing. So the
impervious browser will be launched publicly, April 7
During the Bitcoin 2220 22 conference in Miami.
Oh, no. Okay, let me let me try to describe to you what this is.
And you'll tell me if I'm, if I'm even close. All right. This
is just from the name. This is something that is going to try
to be like Tor. Oh, and it's going to go pump all of your
browser requests through the Lightning Network. No. Okay. I
don't think so. Take all that back.
Okay, I'm reading from their press release. And it's quite
detailed actually what they have features zoom without zoom
Google Docs without Google medium without medium WhatsApp,
without WhatsApp payments without banks identity without
the state all without centralized intermediaries built
into the impervious browser. So they have secure peer to peer
messaging. They have peer to peer web RTC data channels for
audio and video calls, then they have the decentralized local
storage is interesting. And files can be encrypted and
stored locally, both the browser designated encrypted system
database can be published to an anonymous publicly accessible
decentralized data store IPFS IPFS managed automatically fully
integrated into the underlying impervious Damon, files
published IP Fs can be universally accessed via IP NS
and persistent link, you know, they have they've they've
connected all of the you know, the API payments for API for
IPFS, hosting, etc. I mean, this thing is, it's really it's quite
amazing. It's so the whole idea is everything is decentralized.
And we've thrown in. They have API's to the Lightning Network.
So there's no mention how that works. I'm sure there's
somewhere someone's doing wallets stuff somewhere. But it
seems like they're really like it might be a leap forward in
decentralized everything.
Just looking through this could be interesting.
You know, especially if it's based on, you know, chromium or
whatever, you know, if it's a modern browser, but I bet it is.
Just I just looked at this and like, well, that's kind of I
mean, that's kind of all the things we need.
Built in IPFS pinning services allow for persistence, all
availability, even when a user's IPFS node is offline. Man, I
appreciate ya way and verified lightning invoices send and
receive lightning keys and payments. Create pay to play
links, prompting peers to fulfill a key exchange or
lightning invoice invoice. To view premium content, Port
existing audiences to bolster subscription content revenue
resiliency well that's a marketing jargon jargon right
there. offer goods and services via linked associate links
associated with well that's like airline URL. I mean, so they do
have a lot of interest here store. What was the since? I
don't know, I want I'm kind of I'm semi excited about this.
Yeah, well, I want to see the slides released in April and not
heard about this decentralized identifiers. Di D coms that
there's there's been a few things in here that I've never
done. I've never seen these words before. Such as, like di D
calm. What is the D O. That's
just decentralized identifiers. So your you can identify
yourself with your key. For longest like you're really you
really hemming and hawing on this one Dave doesn't sound like
you're really like, don't impress me much. Okay. No,
that's
I'm not saying no, it's not that it's not impressive. I did I
need. I'm caught off guard about this, because I don't.
I saw was I saw, I saw, Wow, the goal is to allow I guess, to
allow everyone to publish, blogs, the podcasts, etc.
Without hosting companies. And with revenue streams built in? I
guess.
I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical. This This sounds like because
impervious.ai is the ones that. Now I'm not trying to say this
is all they do. But I know they've done multiple
experiments with pushing things through the Lightning Network.
Like they're the ones that did that thing where they delivered
on a podcast, or mp3, through light through lightning channel.
Oh, I
didn't know that it happened. That's a horrible thing to think
of. That's awful. It's awful. And I kind of look what kind of
channel liquidity do you need for 100 megabyte file?
I don't know. But it sounds like a horrible thing to do is um, my
first thought is, oh, that's what
not doesn't seem. It doesn't seem to be that. Well, we'll
see. I mean, I'm okay. I just love all of these, you know,
self hosting homes, things that are popping up and we're going
with the best will rise to the top, no doubt.
Do you do any of that? Dan, do you do anything like ownCloud?
Or any of that jazz?
No, no, I'm not really doing that.
Oh, man. I love your cloud. I love my next cloud.
It's not something you've ever gotten into is the is the whole
self sort of self hosting
thing. Oh, no. I mean, that's exactly what I used to do. For
years, I used to run an internet hosting company out of my spare
bedroom in my apartment. I mean, no matter like you personally
No, but I'm saying like I always used to do the personal stuff
and have control and do the self hosting and all of that and I
just kind of got you got get you got captured you get you You
gave it to the man and gave it to the man I guess I mean, like,
would running. I mean, I have a Synology I could share stuff off
of I guess. You want me to do you want me to do next cloud? Is
that what you're trying to? No,
no, I'm just what I'm just wondering how committed you are
like if you're on the but you know, we're on that tip. When
we get when you get an Umbral and you look at that app store,
there's just things in there that are just groovy little
toys, you know, like the next cloud that sets up the instance
for you. You know, this is I don't know this, it's piehole.
And you can run it from any device. They've got the VPN, the
tail scale, there's, it's it's kind of getting there. I'm
feeling this. I'm feeling this.
Yeah, I hear you. Say you say seriously, go look at I have the
next cloud site open right here. Your career gain control the
self hosted productivity platform. It keeps you in
control by next cloud. Now.
What we need is we need Dan just to be around us wherever we go.
Dave So you can just say hallelujah, that's right on.
Aha.
They call it a hype man. Yes, exactly.
Yes, we are hype man. You can do that. You're good at that. And
then we'll do I'll do it for you that free I'll do it for you. No
problem. Should we thank some people Dave.
Oh, yeah, sure. You get time to stick around while we'd love to
do that. Oh, awesome.
So this is a value for value. Project as we would say in
Canada. We talk to subgradient road it's a great project pro J
to project now I don't do a jokes anymore after that truck.
That trucker thing I got respect for him. Like I love it. I know
but I'm showing even I'm giving them more love. Okay, but I will
I will mess with project to this project. Podcasting. 2.0 is
completely value for value, which means only if you think
you get any value out of it. Then you need to put some back
in that can be with one of the three T's time talent treasure
We need treasure to keep the machines spinning, keep
everything worrying, worrying. We worry enough but to worrying
with an eye. And you can do that by going to podcast index.org.
There's a link at the bottom Big Red donate button, you can hit
that. And is the QR code for Bitcoin on chain up there yet?
Yeah, on the site. Yeah, that's on there that tally coin. Oh,
the tally coin. Yeah, perfect. Or you can get a modern podcast
app, but new podcast apps calm and boost to your heart's
content, send a message. We love reading them as well. And it's
also just a great way to continuously support the
Podcast, the podcast app that you're using, because we have
the distributed digital royalty system of the value block
splits. And you also help podcasts index with that, and we
highly appreciate it. So we're gonna thank some of these people
now.
Yeah, well, this, this show is pretty much owned by Dred Scott.
I'm going to tell you that up front. Oh, all our big baller.
He's hiding from his wife in the closet and sending out and just
giving all their money away.
He did a round man he did around he did. He did a big ball around
Moe facts, no agenda. And now tell us
if he if if Dan had at a lightning enabled podcast, he
would have been in there too, but Dred Scott would have thrown
stats at him. That's right. That's right. Dred Scott $345.67
through PayPal
Bala shot 20 blades on the Impala Whoa, Dread thank you
that I was talking about drab again last night with Tina. She
says cuz I said drip donated $345.67 to no agenda. And and he
did it for podcasting. 2.0 and for mo faxes. What does this guy
do? I said what was she she doesn't listen she listens to
almost everything I do this one she doesn't listen to I said
Don't you know that he's the Bruce Wayne of podcasting 2.0
He's an heir to a billion dollars he has a Batcave the
whole thing any any any in his cave. He does chapters to help
people and then he's giving away his fortune bit by bit. Satoshi
by Satoshi. She says what really? Yeah, are the
bill The Bill Gates, they give all your stuff away? Yeah, yeah.
The
war the Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett give all your money
away. Thank you so much. Dr. This is so meaningful. Really
appreciate you spin on tear man. Then don't don't kill yourself
on anything. It's just a horse. Like, Listen, I I get the
chapters from mo facts under the other from no agenda tomorrow.
It's like dude, anytime
it's cool. It's cool. Yeah,
any time we we understand.
Get a message from some time. My my child's in the hospital for
three minutes.
My house blew up my dog died. But I got the chapters ready. I
did it while in the ambulance.
Yes. drab says can I get a birthday shout out as my
birthday is today. March the fourth? Yes. Yes. Well,
you know what? He needs what he needs. He needs a biscuit for
his birthday. That's what he needs. They always
give me a biscuit on my birthday.
Happy birthday. Happy birthday brother.
March 4, the only day of the year that gives a command a
march for exact Keep up the great
work in Drib in J and K.
Thank you drive. That's really appreciated, man.
Let's see. And he gets the
SATs too. He gets 5% split on on all of my shows on the SATs. I
doubt I doubt he's receiving as much as he's putting in
Oh, now this is an interesting one. So we got this is $100 Pay
Pal through from cauldron entertainment. Oh cold cold
cauldron. This is now this is to you says it would see my booster
grams advertising my intimacy and relationship coaching
aggravated Adam with his comment that I am making the rounds.
Where you aggravated aggravated that's when comics for Blogger
does oh this. I'm not aggravated by that at all.
No, not making the rounds means you're this is
this is the second this is the sex therapy a couple. Yeah, no,
no, this is
okay man knows these guys.
Let me just
let me just say tremendous interest what
I'm it's it's Shocking. Shocking how much interest there is for
this sector. What I like about it is you're one of the first
people to grasp the full potential of value for value.
You're sending us a cute message. We're laughing about
it. People are hearing about the service you provide. And you're
supporting the show. We love it. No, no, no, I'm not. No, I'm not
at all annoyed. I'm sorry that you guys had impression.
So here's a donation that hopefully shows my appreciation
for all involved in podcasting. 2.0 podcasting gave me purpose
after a job loss and saved my life from suicide. As I
explained on Dave Jackson's School of podcasting episode,
podcasting gives a listener a reason to live. Wow, thanks To
all involved for the hard work Wow, that
is whatever what episode is that?
It's called podcasting gives a listener a reason to live.
Crikey. Well Nice.
Yeah, I mean,
I like hearing that another life saved or created Dave Jones.
It's also another
money making tip where we can just be really ambiguous about
our thoughts about things and people have to give us more
money in order to explain the problem.
I love how you do that you are thinking man
thank you for that $100 cauldron entertainment $50 from Amy
Harmon, and there's no note from Amy but thank you Amy. Thank you
Amy. That's it. That's Pay Pal so we got some boosts Mr.
Graham's
yay. Hold on Yeah, ready to boost everybody booster Graham's
bee bee bee hanging? What are we
Spencer 33,369 says through fountain and he says thank you
for helping us make podcasting history shout out to rare
encounter with April Kirby and cold acid who also implemented
Live This Week go podcast. Yeah, I
want to do live.
Let's do it. Can we do it next week?
Yeah. Next week. I'll be jacked and ready next Friday going
live.
Alright, we'll do it. We'll do it live.
All right. Well, I'm excited now.
Sir, Doug, give us 4400 sets and he says I'm boosting while
driving. Yeah, we pull over pullover. Hard hats in this row
of ducks. 20 to 22 and he says now we know where the AMA cast
comes from. I think that was a lot there's less
Rubber Ducks always appreciated.
Dan you do not harvest people's email addresses from their RSS
feeds and spam them to come to fireside D.
No, but my competitors do that. They definitely do that I've
heard yet. I get reports of it all the time on Twitter and, and
people forward me stuff all the time. You'd be absolutely
shocked and I I don't get that. I feel like that's something
that you just shouldn't do. You just shouldn't do that.
We call it slimy.
Yeah, just like it's more than one more than one company that
does that.
It's mainly one company. But there are there is a second one
but it's mainly the one. They not gonna
know because we all know this has been a news story. This was
I got it on. What's the thing called?
I can't remember which company it was. No, I
got it on spooler I heard it on spooler had to go look it up
what the hell was sparklers cooler.
Harv has in this 12,222 sets. And he says running with
scissors. Yeah, we love that is what we do here. Martin from hot
friend gave us 10,000 SATs and he says history is being written
first pot friend cross app comment just happened?
Oh, yeah.
When did this happen? This was right around the show. Last
week. Our show post was coming up on our shows. Yeah, yes.
That's right.
I'm excited. Another first.
Yep, that's it. He's integrating mini pub. And I think Steven D
is integrating mini pub as well. We've got I'm celebrating John's
for lunch next week. So we're gonna talk all
Spurlock this guy's another mysterious dude or like him.
What's he been up to? What's he going to come on? Talk about
cross cross on the comments. Yeah. Yeah. Know about cross app
comments, Dan.
I mean, I only don't look for a level. No, no, no, no. Just say
no.
So it's all the spec is all using activity pub.
Well, you guys talked about at the end of the year last Oh,
right.
This is one of the first things we talked about. And we were we
were not ready as a group yet to tackle it. But we're, we're in
the air now. I think.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it will be in Phase Five of the
namespace, the Roodman, the rudimentary tags will be in
there and then there'll be a bit it's fairly the landscape for
how to do this has gotten a lot more clear over the last
probably three to four weeks.
But but we're seeing it work, man. It's so cool. In one app,
you post a comment, boom, it's in all the others. And you can
choose your platform so I use the mastodon server, you can
reply there. I mean, the whole thing is mine. You know what I'm
shocked at the interest in this thing.
Yes. Interest is shocked and then shot mortals, mere mortals
podcast, Karen down, gave us a road ducks 2222 He said,
actually had a chat with a premature duck.
Sorry. Premature duck.
Oh my god. Actually had a chat with Brian on the latest mere
mortals conversations As he mentioned about getting some
flack from the Bitcoin maximalists sad to hear as he's
doing great work with POD paying He sure is. Yeah also talked
about decentralization the genesis of hive and his crypto
class action lawsuit here in Australia if anyone is
interested quackquack
Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, dude, don't pick
fights.
Fights there's more of them than there are views so just yeah,
yes. We understand what you're saying, bro. We do.
Brian of London 19 148 SAS because the devil he says the
Episode This episode is made for me. Thank you much. I'm also
seeing increased failed transactions, especially to mine
and Phoenix. I'm working hard to fix this. No breeze and the
split. Well, yeah,
I think we have reason the split and what do you mean breezing
the split ROI, like ROI? What is what is he saying
from last episode? Didn't we put ROI split and you
know, he refused. He refused. Yeah. I said, Give me your
lightning node. He said No, put give it towards podcasting. 2.0.
I said, Yeah, but I want you to see the joy of these Satoshis
coming and he says, Dude, I see that all day on the breeze node.
Okay, fair point.
He said, he said I'm Israeli. I don't need joy. I live on the
hour of the universe.
Precisely.
Okay, so up. Here we go. Is this? Yeah, there's yet here. It
is anonymous, but it's not really anonymous because it came
through breeze and it's Roy and he sent us 123,456 sets.
Oh, let me see. Let me go ahead.
It's a breeze love for podcast index from Roy.
Oh, man. Give me a little bit of love back. Thank you, Roy. You
know, I shamed him into that. That was pretty cool. That
works. Like hey, man. None of the Bitcoin has ever donated.
All they do is bitches bread Brian of London.
And he was like, okay, okay.
Thank you, Roy. Thank you. So he bought a mic. We got to test it.
Oh, cool. He's he's like, what can you recommend? I said, Well,
I would recommend the was it the SM seven? The the the USB
version? What does that Dan? Is that the M seven? Yeah, the M
seven. Yeah, the M service or he says that those are badass. And
he's like, You got anything cheaper? So hey, man, you asked
for the podcast on pod father recommendation. He's like I got
a yeti blues. Okay, you're ready for you to define?
What What mic Are you on right now? Danny sound good.
I am on the Telefunken M which guys? Is this the mid shoe? I
think? Yeah, it's um,
wait a minute. What? Telefunken what?
Avallon tell you the wrong thing. Telefunken M 82. Yeah,
that's that was right. It's, um, it's really great. Mike, I've
been on this thing for years. And this came from a
recommendation one of my listeners who went to went to
some audio show and Telefunken was there and he contact he's
like a super like super nerd audio engineer. He knows
everything. And he, he's like 10 your your voice would sound
really good through this mic. And I said really? And he's
like, better than better than the Shure SM seven way better
than the Heil PR 40 You got to get this you got to get it and
I'm like, You know what, I'll order it and if it's wrong, I'll
just you know, send it back and it was great and I loved it and
I've been using it ever since I think I'm going to try this one
out. Is a great mic. You would sound amazing through this does
it come with
a boom attachment? Or do you have to have a an extra bit
package
that I got came with the boom and the boom attachment and
everything that you need and it actually came with two it comes
with a shock mount and it also comes with just the little
attachment and I think there's different packages you can get
depending on what you want like it's up to you
I've always liked Telefunken microphones I have not owned one
myself have used them many times
the build on it is amazing like it's it looks good that's
so you got to get the the broadcast package with the cable
or with comes with cable, shock mount and boom arm.
You don't want us to just kick drum mic. Yeah,
that's yeah, just I mean, most of the mics that we use in
podcasting are kick drum mics, right I mean, wouldn't you say
the rd 20 and the PR 40? Weren't they kick drum
mics? Yes. I think they were originally Yeah.
But you can get the M 782 microphone mount ma two t f one
one attachment if you're if you don't like the shock mount I'm
just looking at their website right now but it's
do you need to shock mount is it real so I guess it's probably
sensitive
is sensitive enough? I tried it without it and it seemed to pick
up I
just like guy just like grabbing my mic, you know, like a big
phallic symbol.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, of course. Yeah, of course. We know.
That doesn't have that fantasy guess.
Hmm. This is interesting.
I'm not buy this just just to have it in here. Look at
it. Mike. So cool. And it's all black, black. all the time.
Yeah.
Okay. But I like the sound of it. I agree with Dave You sound
really good is a real real good son. No, it's the mic man. Don't
take credit. It sounds really nice Come on, Dan. You should
have been working with me when you had the chance.
Oh my god, you can bring this up every day.
Of course I do. I live I didn't.
I didn't see the vision and now I regret I told you it's the one
thing I regret in my life.
I'm not even kidding. Let's continue with our booster grams
day
John's BRT gave us 49,000 SATs was so nice whopping Adams and
splicing pew pew.
Nice. Excellent.
Cast, peatland gave us 3300 sets and he says I'm trying to get
the podcast index channel in balance for weeks now I did the
rebalance swap loop all of them fail. We'll try to we'll try
with ZERO FEES one of these days thanks for the show.
Yeah, on that, you know, I am experimenting with with fees for
our liquidity provision. And so far, it seems like they're
having a zero base fee. So so for the micro payments seems to
be really good. And it has most definitely, with a with a
significantly higher per amount fee has stopped a lot of the
routing that was clear was just blowing out our channels. So but
it does mean that if you have so for instance, Todd, with your
node, you know, we're an expensive place to be if you
want to get all your payments through us. So the whole idea
is, you know, open up more channels, work with other people
expand and we need that the network needs it. Everybody
needs it, and we need it so that we can make good use of our
liquidity.
Yeah, and if all else fails in your rebalancing, just just drop
the channel and open a new one. I mean, like
those Yes, that's another way to do it. It's expensive, but it's
definitely wait for the phase to be
down. Yeah, wait for the min put mempool to be a little bit empty
and try new. Primitive one, gave us 6669 SATs through fountain
and he says I came across submarine swaps recently without
foreknowledge which put me off a bit, but I feel a lot better
about the whole thing and learned a bunch about breeze
making me feel better for having recommended it to some people.
I had a submarine swap experience myself actually. Did
you with the breeze app, which was kind of fun. That was not
fun. But how it ultimately worked. I was sending I was
sending money to my sister in Italy to the breeze app on chain
1100 bucks or something. We're renting an Airbnb for my dad's
Intermot and so I sent her I sent it to her actually to her
husband because he said like you know, I'll just pay for it and
then this end as our sound Oh, he wants to have some bitcoins
to send it to him. And I'd sent a test to the to the bitcoin
address you know, like 10 bucks just to make sure it got there.
Okay, everything's fine. And then I sent the remaining money
to the same bitcoin address, which typically you can do even
though and I didn't listen to my sister because she said are you
supposed to do that use the same one twice and like I shut up
you're not a Bitcoin er, I know what I'm doing. But it's but
what the way breeze does it is it's a submarine swap. So it
comes into the breeze wallet in enlightening and you can I think
probably just stopped double spend or some other accounting
issue you can't reuse that invoice and so I sent this and
what had the way they do it is then after 244 blocks they'll
refund the money you can choose where you want to refund it to
which is on one hand cool though you can't use the app for that
for that amount of time. But while all this took place we had
the war kick up and then the the mempool just went to like you
know oh crap when he sets for V bite and this this thing was
just hung in there and I'm talking to Royce do this is such
a shit experience. I can't believe my sister my brother in
law did like Adams nuts with this Bitcoin
but it's the worst possible demo
right but it worked out and then they got on lightning and they
transferred it back and forth. They were really delighted with
that but most importantly they were delighted because have gone
up 10% Since I sent it to them like we didn't mind waiting on
you you fool. And today right away I made sure that that got
stricken right off. There you go boom, you're done. No, no profit
for you today.
Dave Jackson says 2400 sets and he says emptying my wallet for
February before filling it up for March go bug Gaston yo yo
How you doing? Oh, another row. What did you must have really
shamed Roy because he sent us another 123,000
Holy crap.
He says for my boy. He says from Roy with love, also the name of
a famous movie
Sure, Roy. Yeah. Thanks, Roy. Really appreciate it.
22 To 22 Big humongous row of dogs and he says, this is David
Leary says to have to do it have a one of two
to see I wanted to give him a little
Oh, I see he's he says what is remove? Remove podcast ID
2062903 And keep podcast ID 9304 90 Okay, this is tech
support,
tech support. We love tech support this paid for. That's
right. We'll take care of that right away, sir. No problem. We
love you as a customer.
Putting it to the side. I will take care of that after the
drip, drip Scott. He's back. What 345,678 says Holy crap
boost boost boost. Nice, man. Thanks for
cast Matic.
Oh my goodness.
He says great show last week, I learned a lot but it was still a
bit over my head. And that's okay, as I'm still new to this
crypto stuff. I'm still struggling to understand how to
get more liquidity into my node. Can you break it down some some
more for us slow people. I love the show drip. Now. If you're
trying to figure out how to get more liquidity into your note,
this is not how you do a drip. This is sending liquidity out of
your nose. Yeah, yes, exactly. This is the wrong strategy.
You're going the wrong way. I can look into that and help you
out drive let me I'll look into your let me check your node.
This is a Dan you see you're seeing how this how this is
done. I mean this
this is a masterclass for me. When you
learn you this would be perfect for a Dan Benjamin show. Yeah,
the corner 1000 SATs from anonymous and it just says I
love breeze
go well we love you. Boost don't we? Oh
yeah. Are no sin 33 33/3 times lucky happy three three boost.
Yo are no has been sending some pull requests for helipads. Oh
cool. Yeah. Yeah. He's been he's been doing a lot of work on that
nice Fun Fact Friday with Lila and Davidson. This 8050 as as it
says just ordered parts for our Umbral if you want to learn
about artificial intelligence, you're invited to listen to AI
cooking.
Wait a minute, wait a minute. What is going on here? What is
happening here so we have we have Fun Fact Friday, donating
now I know that they're putting together parts for their Umbral
cut so i'll post about that. And then they're promoting comic
strip bloggers AI cooking this is very interesting.
Um, I don't understand I'm confused
like in my brain. I'm confused but I like it. I like it.
See cash payments and is 33 cents he says okay, ZERO FEES
did the trick. I like to follow up
a little boost the droopy boost we lose
1000 SATs from an anonymous user and you just as boost recovered
Podcast.
I'm very nice. I
don't know what that means. But we'll take that. Yeah, what's
Spencer send us another one. Oh, this this is just a source like
a double. This is a 33 369 or 50. That's like a double from
his earlier was
beautiful. Thank you.
Thank you very much. David Mitas and a 3400 cent birthday boost
for Dred Scott.
We should probably hit him with another biscuit for his
birthday.
They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Okay, here's
1111 11,101 11,111 says and this is the one of two so this is the
first half of the other one says Please remove the fraudulent
anchor copy of my podcast.
There you go. Wow. It's tech support in two parts. Yeah. Very
good.
Monthly command line boost from Mike Nolan. Or no Newman, Mike
Newman. always mispronounce it. Oh, he sent a humongous rush
boost 21 112 Three the command line says monthly command line
boost Adam great interview on Glenn Beck podcast totally on
message go podcasting.
No thank you we don't have marketing meetings we just had
people boost and say you did a good job man is fine or like
dude, you should have hit that more you know people it's this
is our this is our messaging system now.
We get to lift we get to she's does drink 5551 things out and
then he says reply to the last episode. Dave is the number one
booster in SATs not an amount of times boosted okay.
Oh well who's number one and amount of times boosted? Oh no.
I feel like I feel like I'm a I'm a heel Yeah, I'm not keeping
up my booster quota. My boat and my boat. I
mean, Dan, maybe Dan's a secret booster.
It's me, isn't he?
Yeah, Dan's actually drips got all of our chat. No. Oh, the
delimiter
blogger there he is ladies and gentlemen. What did he What did
he do for us?
20,033 sets
nice thank you.
He says howdy Dave and Adam through pod friend this one time
different message announcement from the country of Poland to
look for Ukrainian refugees. You will be admitted unconditionally
to Poland including pets. Just go to Polish border crossings.
Unlike Hungary and Romania, Poland uses very similar
language to to Ukrainian. Poland will provide you with
accommodation, food, medical assistance, etc. And you can
also work legally if you want. For more info on in Ukrainian
and English, the website uae.gov.pl. If you know
Ukrainians anywhere, pass it on.
Wow. All right. Very nice. Very nice comics for bloggers. Thank
you. Thanks for Thanks for supporting the show. Everybody,
please remember this thing doesn't run itself.
She gets a monthly. Oh, we
got the monthly. Sure.
Yeah, we get Jeff Miller at $20. Michael Kimmer 533. Leslie
Martin $2 Dred Scott again at $15 a month, Aaron Renaud at $5
Pedro gone calvus at $5. Chad Farrow at 20 to $20.22. LORETTA
Vandenberg at $10. Scottish Albert at $12. Mark Graham at
$1. Boris because y'all ski at $1. Just maraca at $5. And David
metus. At $10.
Thank you all very much these monthly really do make a
difference. We appreciate that. And I was actually looking
should i Did you check the tally coin by any chance?
So what about it? Well,
I was wondering if anyone had if anyone had sent us any donations
through?
Oh, I don't know. The only one that has access to it. Yeah,
no. Let me see. No, because it's public. Public. Yeah, it looks
like we have third. Let me see. We do have something. Yeah,
something came in. We have two payments, no message. And let's
see. One is 12,840 Satoshis. And the other one is no name
anonymous, testing out the new widget. 24,896. Thank you very
much. Both of you. Yeah, that works, man. It works. It works.
Cool. No, it works. Love it. Thank you all for supporting the
project. Thank you for supporting the podcast. We
really appreciate it. And thank you damn Benjamin for everything
you've done in podcasting from early days that you continue to
do. I mean, I understand this little side gig. You know, pick
up some shares, you'll be rich. Just remember us remember to
boost us.
I mean, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you, Adam.
Ah damn, we got to hang out man. Are you still in Austin? Right?
You're still an awesome. Yeah, we can we gotta have a burger or
something together. I'd
like to love that. Anytime you tell me when I'll be there. So
anything else we can do for you, sir? enough data and so much.
I'm sending you pod pinkies. Okay, thank you. Please do yeah,
get
that that would be great.
I mean, I just do that I will. I'm publicly committing to doing
it. It will be great. It's
so easy.
And to have that working and to have your schoolers stuff change
and work the way you expect it in the new podcast apps. That
would be that would be pretty cool. I think it's interesting.
If you do. So here, if you put in pod things where you're
sending a GET request to the pod pink cloud system every time
they feed changes if you if you do that, then what I what I can
do is I can set it up to where we will push back out a website,
a web sub subscription, like a web sub ping all yes. If you
want to do it that way. And then you can kind of get double bang
for your buck. We'll just do it. Do it.
Let's do it. Let's make it happen.
All right, cool. I'll send you those cases happening.
David. Everything cool with you, man.
Yeah, doing good. Yeah, doing fine. We got he's gonna have a
debt. Try to have a dev meeting tomorrow at 12 Central, I think
is over.
Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. So I should be able to
dial in for that. We're gonna
get to try to discuss the recommendations tag a little bit
because we need that things complicated and we need some we
need to talk that out.
Excellent. Excellent. And if you want to intern for Dave Jones,
if you want
to give us one, two, all right,
send everything to Adam at podcast index.org and I will
sort through everything and make sure that you are the right
candidate for zero pay and maximum exposure. Alright guys,
thanks so much.
Thanks again.
We'll see you next week everybody right here podcasting
2.0
You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast
index.com For more information
go podcast boost