1 00:00:00,570 --> 00:00:06,420 podcasting 2.0 for January 28 2022, episode 71 specs and 2 00:00:06,420 --> 00:00:15,450 specs Hello, everybody. It's cold everywhere that we are. 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,250 Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 This is the official board meeting of 4 00:00:20,250 --> 00:00:23,700 podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org Everything happening with the 5 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:29,460 podcasting namespace. And of course, for the studio audience 6 00:00:29,820 --> 00:00:33,390 there at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 7 00:00:33,390 --> 00:00:36,420 the heart of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama, there's 8 00:00:36,420 --> 00:00:38,700 a problem that he can't fix because he can do it in the mix. 9 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:41,610 My friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave 10 00:00:41,610 --> 00:00:42,960 Jones. 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,850 I'm trying to send Brian of London a calendar invite. I've 12 00:00:47,850 --> 00:00:54,780 got like, I haven't, let's see 1234 different email addresses 13 00:00:54,780 --> 00:00:55,080 for this 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,440 joker. Oh, yeah, this calendar invites in general, I find 15 00:00:58,890 --> 00:01:01,950 somehow that that never really quite worked. 16 00:01:02,730 --> 00:01:06,240 Well, it makes me suspicious that he has so many different 17 00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:09,330 different email addresses and one person is not supposed to 18 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:10,590 have four different email address. 19 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:12,660 Oh, yeah. No, no, you have to understand he also has four 20 00:01:12,660 --> 00:01:17,700 different families. One in the states he has four identity. Oh, 21 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:20,340 yeah. He has four identities. One in the UK, one in Israel, 22 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:23,340 one in the US. And then one probably like Cyprus or 23 00:01:23,340 --> 00:01:27,210 something and he has all his money. Cyprus, Tina and Tina and 24 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:31,020 I concluded on curry in the keeper, that he must have 25 00:01:31,020 --> 00:01:35,610 married into a very wealthy family. Because he has no job 26 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:38,940 you know, there's no way how is he making money? This is 27 00:01:38,940 --> 00:01:40,800 impossible. This man cannot survive. 28 00:01:42,510 --> 00:01:47,880 Hives combination of Hive, hive and paddleboards that's the 29 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:51,570 what? I was just kidding, of course, but the hive I know the 30 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:55,620 hive foundation or whatever it is that that the community 31 00:01:55,650 --> 00:02:01,080 creates grants. Yeah. Which is very cool. Actually. That works 32 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,910 that way. But what's the paddleboards? 33 00:02:04,110 --> 00:02:06,780 I don't know. You just mentioned it one day. He called me Miss 34 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:07,290 eating. 35 00:02:07,620 --> 00:02:12,930 Oh, okay. Well, that's not very professional Dave Jones. I mean, 36 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:15,390 I did ask you if you were ready when I hit the button. 37 00:02:15,930 --> 00:02:17,880 That was I was ready to stick this Jesus 38 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:23,280 Oh, man. 39 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:33,390 I'm so I'm listening to Heartland last night. And what 40 00:02:33,390 --> 00:02:40,170 is there's a glaring like gap in the show there's what's booster 41 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:44,430 Graham corner is just missing. Yeah, I sent a bunch of boosts 42 00:02:44,430 --> 00:02:47,850 and I got in I fixed James's hell a pad and all that kind of 43 00:02:47,850 --> 00:02:52,380 stuff. And I got cheated. No, no booster gram corner. 44 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:56,460 Oh, cuz I was gonna say I know, I know that. The heli pad thing 45 00:02:56,460 --> 00:02:58,230 was broken because I had the same issue. 46 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,490 But we got to fix though last night. Yeah. Good. 47 00:03:03,390 --> 00:03:05,760 Dave, tell me Were you in bed when you were telling me how to 48 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,770 do it because I was in bed listening and doing the 49 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:08,430 commands. 50 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,970 I was I was in bed. How sick are way. 51 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:15,780 I'm literally was like, why don't 52 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:16,950 you just go to sleep? 53 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,420 I'm on Terminix or whatever it is that you know. So I can SSH 54 00:03:21,420 --> 00:03:26,640 into my Umbral and like copy. Long press copy. And then I 55 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:30,120 pasted it which I do in VI on the terminal program and then 56 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,690 some extra character got added him like oh crap, man, I I don't 57 00:03:33,690 --> 00:03:35,910 want to embarrass myself by telling Dave I'm doing this on 58 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:40,560 my phone. I messed it up. Okay, delete. Yeah, perfect. Okay. Ah, 59 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,880 yes, there it is, is working. 60 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:47,760 So I walked away from the s ahead fix and I was I hit the 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,170 build command. Well, maybe we 62 00:03:49,170 --> 00:03:51,990 should explain what happened first, because this is why you 63 00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:58,050 know the episode title specs and specs and specs. Because in 64 00:03:58,050 --> 00:04:00,330 podcasting, but maybe in software in general, but 65 00:04:00,330 --> 00:04:04,500 certainly podcasting, the adherence to any type of 66 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:08,340 specification is far to be found. And we've known this for 67 00:04:08,340 --> 00:04:11,250 over a decade, of course, with our experience with the freedom 68 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:16,560 controller, but sometimes you have to consider all the 69 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,290 exceptions that can come your way because otherwise software 70 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:19,920 breaks. 71 00:04:20,820 --> 00:04:25,920 Yes. Then the one thing that you don't do, which is the exact 72 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:34,950 thing I did was okay, so they're in, in, in modern OS, a modern 73 00:04:36,090 --> 00:04:43,140 in memory safe. languages that try to help you not write bugs 74 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:50,490 by giving you compile time checks. And so this is a feature 75 00:04:50,490 --> 00:04:55,590 of some languages, notably swift and rust. There's others that 76 00:04:55,590 --> 00:05:01,350 will have have a thing called optionals. You them. So the 77 00:05:01,350 --> 00:05:06,450 optional says this, you define your function and you say, Okay, 78 00:05:06,450 --> 00:05:12,060 this function is going to return this optional value. And the the 79 00:05:12,090 --> 00:05:18,720 option can contain a value or it can contain nothing. And if it 80 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,930 contains a value, then it needs to adhere to a type. If it 81 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:25,560 contains nothing, it's just nothing. So what this key what 82 00:05:25,650 --> 00:05:29,130 the reason this is good is because at compile time, you can 83 00:05:29,130 --> 00:05:36,150 know that you can, you can know which checks that the the linker 84 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:38,880 has to do, or excuse me, not the linker but the compiler has to 85 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,890 do in order to make sure that you're not going to code the 86 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:49,470 error wrong. Now, you still may get unexpected values back. But 87 00:05:50,010 --> 00:05:55,860 you're, you're very unlikely to, to introduce a simple bug of not 88 00:05:55,860 --> 00:06:00,810 handling the return value properly. So the optional says, 89 00:06:01,260 --> 00:06:06,030 it can either be a sum or a nun or an okay or an error. And then 90 00:06:06,150 --> 00:06:10,890 if it's an error or a nun, you just move on, well, you had in 91 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:15,000 order to get to the value of that return, you have to do 92 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,770 what's called unwrapping it. So you have to, you have to get the 93 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:26,190 return, and then unwrap it to see what's in it, but you only 94 00:06:26,190 --> 00:06:31,620 unwrap it, if it's an okay or a psalm. So that means you get the 95 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:36,060 return value back and if it's okay, or if it's some, then you 96 00:06:36,090 --> 00:06:40,320 unwrap it to get the value that's inside of it. So if you 97 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:46,200 call unwrap on a font on a return value, that you didn't 98 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,580 check whether it's an okay or not, you could be unwrapping 99 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:56,850 nothing. And when you do that thread panic. That's what I did. 100 00:06:57,540 --> 00:07:02,250 So, when the JSON from the message from the boost comes in, 101 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:07,590 so the booster gram payload for the there's this JSON block, 102 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:16,920 when it comes into the into Hello pad, from by Hello pad, 103 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:23,460 poling L and D. l pad gets this JSON blob and sends it off to 104 00:07:23,460 --> 00:07:29,190 the to a serializer to extract all of the JSON out of it and 105 00:07:29,190 --> 00:07:36,120 convert it to a structure in rust. This process has a lot of 106 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:41,550 parts to it. Because you have to say, Okay, well, you know, if if 107 00:07:41,550 --> 00:07:49,410 somebody wrote the the boost the SATs amount, as a number, as an 108 00:07:49,410 --> 00:07:54,000 integer, decode it this way, if they wrote the integer in quotes 109 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,550 that actually comes through as a string, so you need to parse it 110 00:07:56,550 --> 00:07:59,820 out, back to what back to a number out of a string, and 111 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:06,240 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, what I had done was inside 112 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,590 one of those two serializer functions, I was assuming that 113 00:08:10,590 --> 00:08:15,510 it was supposed to be that it was a number and unwrapping it 114 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:19,140 without actually checking if it was a real number. 115 00:08:19,470 --> 00:08:23,220 I want to stop you there, Dave. And I want to have everybody 116 00:08:23,250 --> 00:08:29,820 understand what Dave just did is what developers do all day. So 117 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:35,880 when you say these things broken, it sucks. Think of that 118 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,330 thought process that he just took you through, which was some 119 00:08:39,330 --> 00:08:42,330 of the most riveting audio programming in my life that have 120 00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:44,220 ever been shelved in lung. 121 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,810 And you're not done yet. 122 00:08:48,269 --> 00:08:52,589 Yes, and then just getting warmed up. So this this one this 123 00:08:52,589 --> 00:08:58,349 thing did is it blew up? It would. Hella pad itself is built 124 00:08:58,349 --> 00:09:00,869 with two different threads. Okay, so threads are just 125 00:09:02,609 --> 00:09:05,969 pipelines of execution. So there's when you launch Hello 126 00:09:05,969 --> 00:09:10,199 pad l pad is is actually two lines of execution that are 127 00:09:10,199 --> 00:09:15,839 executing simultaneously. You have the the web server thread, 128 00:09:16,439 --> 00:09:20,189 which serves the page, and then you have the polling thread. And 129 00:09:20,189 --> 00:09:22,949 then you have the lnd polling thread that's looking for 130 00:09:22,949 --> 00:09:26,519 background for boosts in the background all the time. When 131 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:29,999 that JSON problem happened, and it would, it would panic, the 132 00:09:29,999 --> 00:09:34,049 thread, the lnd polling thread would die, but then 133 00:09:34,049 --> 00:09:37,289 web server web server would keep alive right, right. Right, 134 00:09:37,289 --> 00:09:37,649 right. 135 00:09:37,979 --> 00:09:40,979 So it would look like it just stopped working altogether. 136 00:09:41,009 --> 00:09:43,589 Now who was the culprit of this evil JSON? 137 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:46,709 There was two culprits Those are called 138 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,009 announced alien invaders who have not and who have not 139 00:09:50,009 --> 00:09:53,939 uncloaked what is going on people make yourselves known. 140 00:09:54,809 --> 00:09:59,399 One, the first the first culprit, and I'm going to give 141 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:04,589 him a hard time This is Gil Geremy from pod station. Okay. 142 00:10:05,309 --> 00:10:05,729 Yeah, he 143 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:08,970 had a wrong type he was sending something as integer or should 144 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:13,500 have been an integer and it was a Float Float. Yes of course a 145 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:13,920 float. 146 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:19,590 Yeah, so he was sending the timestamp is like 1234 147 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:27,600 rookie Get your shit together. Really? Really rook. I mean 148 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,350 seriously? 149 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,020 Yeah. And the worst part about it the part that I felt bad for 150 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:39,840 him for it was he the post that he sent that broke everything 151 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:44,400 what the booster Grammy sent what said some? See I've got it 152 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,420 here it says something like, 153 00:10:45,899 --> 00:10:48,689 prolific like one giant leap for mankind. 154 00:10:51,179 --> 00:10:56,549 It was like oh, here it is. Hello, Adam and Dave and James. 155 00:10:56,549 --> 00:10:59,429 If you got this message. This is the first successful booster 156 00:10:59,429 --> 00:11:02,819 gram sent from pus Tahitian. Cheers and Happy New Year. 157 00:11:04,889 --> 00:11:05,609 Poison Pill. 158 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:11,310 He shot us with his cyber cannon and blew everything up. That's 159 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:12,090 pretty cool. 160 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,110 Yeah, yeah. So he DDoS everybody with hell pad that was in this 161 00:11:16,110 --> 00:11:20,970 chain. Nice. Right? Yeah. Now, but yeah, he is just a simple 162 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:23,670 mistake. And they so 163 00:11:23,940 --> 00:11:27,540 but what your what was it from your story earlier? Your point 164 00:11:27,540 --> 00:11:33,090 is Halle pads should have been able to trap that properly and 165 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:33,990 not panic on it. 166 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:38,520 Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it was totally my fault. Yes. Because 167 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:45,000 you never know. It was funny, as is. Hella pad, the D serializer. 168 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:49,920 And handle lots of terrible JSON like if the JSON had just been 169 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,880 completely broke. 170 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Is that something you wrote the D serializer? 171 00:11:53,669 --> 00:11:58,139 Or was it well, it's it's using a library called seer. CRD and 172 00:11:58,139 --> 00:12:03,539 it's basically it sets up a framework. And then you have to 173 00:12:03,539 --> 00:12:07,709 write your own pieces for the specific values that 174 00:12:07,709 --> 00:12:09,959 you expect. Okay, good, buddy. Yeah, framework. I 175 00:12:09,959 --> 00:12:15,089 got it. Yeah, it basically is callback functions. And so like 176 00:12:15,269 --> 00:12:20,879 he, if he had sent JSON that was just completely broken, didn't 177 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:23,339 even validate. It would have been fine. Yeah, it would have 178 00:12:23,339 --> 00:12:26,399 just ignored it. But the fact that he sent a valid type, and 179 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:32,249 it was one type that I was not expecting, that's broken. And so 180 00:12:32,249 --> 00:12:35,549 if it had, you know, like, he's in a float in that, then that 181 00:12:35,579 --> 00:12:38,969 that is valid, but it was like, Yeah, but this but it's not 182 00:12:39,209 --> 00:12:41,609 this, this thing's not an integer and is like up, 183 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:45,810 as we say, in podcasting. 2.0 Be prepared to experience the 184 00:12:45,810 --> 00:12:46,710 unexpected. 185 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:52,500 Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And that. So then, the second boost 186 00:12:52,500 --> 00:13:00,330 that broke yours was a new app called use social use social.me. 187 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:05,190 And I was not aware of this app, even though the developer of it 188 00:13:05,190 --> 00:13:08,580 is, is on podcast index, social, I wasn't aware that it was 189 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:13,860 actually functional yet. And so then, he was sending, it was the 190 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:20,580 same exact thing, he was sending a float in, in the value inset 191 00:13:21,270 --> 00:13:26,280 field. So it broke it again, broke again. But the the problem 192 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,890 with that one, though, which made it worse was that he it's 193 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,030 he was doing it in the stream, and not a boost. So it was 194 00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:36,660 sending like, tons and tons of them. So I didn't even know like 195 00:13:36,660 --> 00:13:39,270 I couldn't even work around it because there's some unknown 196 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:41,010 quantity of the stream payments. 197 00:13:41,369 --> 00:13:44,729 On this project. This eusocial.me actually looks kind 198 00:13:44,729 --> 00:13:48,239 of cool, because if I understand it, it's it's a little 199 00:13:48,269 --> 00:13:53,729 aggregator podcast client with built in value for value 200 00:13:53,729 --> 00:13:57,419 function, and search on the index that you can basically put 201 00:13:57,419 --> 00:14:00,629 into your own app or use for something else. Yeah, that's 202 00:14:00,630 --> 00:14:02,100 what it looks like to me too. Cool. 203 00:14:02,429 --> 00:14:03,329 That's very cool. 204 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:05,610 It's almost like family 205 00:14:05,610 --> 00:14:08,130 and who runs this? Do we know? Do we know the person's name? 206 00:14:08,190 --> 00:14:09,000 Anything about him? 207 00:14:09,419 --> 00:14:13,679 That his handle is IBZ. He is her and that I don't think we 208 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,339 actually have to do say his her. His or her? I don't know if it's 209 00:14:17,339 --> 00:14:21,959 a man or woman. Yes, true. It is. No, it wasn't one way isn't 210 00:14:21,959 --> 00:14:22,349 his or 211 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:25,739 it was not? His her. I thought you and his her? 212 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:28,710 I don't know. No, it was not a 14th gender. It 213 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:32,970 was okay. That's what I'm talking about. Yes. That's kind 214 00:14:32,970 --> 00:14:35,040 of interesting. And so is this fixed now? Do we know? 215 00:14:36,419 --> 00:14:37,799 Yes. Now, 216 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:41,039 we've had contact as you've had contact with the deaf. 217 00:14:41,730 --> 00:14:44,730 Yeah, I posted an issue on that on that repo. And he fixed it 218 00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:50,640 within like, you know, an hour he she? He isn't his? Yeah. 219 00:14:51,210 --> 00:14:53,400 Yeah. No, he's Johnny on the 220 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:56,879 spot. Now, what is this other app that is boosting with a 221 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:58,139 whole bunch of zeros 222 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,400 That might be the bug app. The bug app. Yeah. When you just 223 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:11,520 have a bug in your code? I don't know. I have no idea. I can't 224 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,860 imagine anybody's actually sending a boost with the app 225 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:15,600 name set to 1000 zeros. 226 00:15:15,749 --> 00:15:17,159 Yeah. Okay. All right. 227 00:15:18,119 --> 00:15:19,559 I will dig and find out that, 228 00:15:20,219 --> 00:15:23,759 well, good work, we got to work on the fix. And now we have now 229 00:15:23,789 --> 00:15:28,889 we have to wait until until Umbro updates are due at this 230 00:15:28,889 --> 00:15:31,439 time for their next release or something for us to update 231 00:15:31,439 --> 00:15:34,649 within their app, because that's kind of a slow shady process. 232 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:38,609 Well, you were the last in the testing chain, to make sure that 233 00:15:38,609 --> 00:15:41,519 things didn't break. So now that I know that it works good on 234 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:44,039 yours. And then I will 235 00:15:44,429 --> 00:15:48,419 tell you, you, you do a pull request to them. And then they 236 00:15:48,449 --> 00:15:50,369 do that when they are ready. 237 00:15:51,210 --> 00:15:54,210 Yeah, well, I have to re upload the Docker image because I just 238 00:15:54,270 --> 00:15:57,000 did it under the latest branch. So that's all wrong. So I'll 239 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,810 have to just off to re upload, make a new build a new Docker 240 00:16:00,810 --> 00:16:04,170 image, tag it correctly for Docker Hub, and then post a PR 241 00:16:04,170 --> 00:16:05,340 on their on their repo. 242 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:09,570 So we have so much to do I know that I think so there's a new UI 243 00:16:09,570 --> 00:16:11,220 that who's working on the UI 244 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:18,930 for help Ed? Yeah, Khalil is the guy on podcast index. And now he 245 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:26,610 built a lot of the UI. But I'm, I'm going to get a lot of the 246 00:16:27,390 --> 00:16:32,910 guts first and then go put the new UI UI on. So like, because 247 00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:35,910 we still need some stuff, we still need a streams endpoint so 248 00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:37,890 that you can pull out the streams instead of just the 249 00:16:37,890 --> 00:16:45,450 boosts and we also need a CSV export. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah. 250 00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:48,420 It makes you weak in the knees. 251 00:16:48,450 --> 00:16:52,110 Yes, it does. Because the copy paste and then going through 252 00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:54,900 meticulous because I receive a whole bunch of different like 253 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:58,920 for different podcasts on my Umbral you know, and some just 254 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:05,070 like a 1% split just just to get the booster grams. Yeah. And so 255 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:09,690 it's kind of interesting. I know that I've reached because you 256 00:17:09,690 --> 00:17:13,230 know, it says so many days week you know, there's not really a 257 00:17:13,230 --> 00:17:17,100 time stamp if you just do a copy paste of the actual HTML screen. 258 00:17:17,730 --> 00:17:21,210 And so and I usually I paste that into my outliner so at 259 00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:24,300 least it's you know, separated by line and I can you know, tab 260 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:27,870 down and I can tell okay, this is all my facts you know, if I'm 261 00:17:27,870 --> 00:17:31,380 looking for Korean to keep running just shift key down, and 262 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:34,230 I know that it's that I've reached the previous kind of 263 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:38,940 section of where I should be looking for new booster grams 264 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:42,330 when I hit the comic strip blogger booster, gram. Yeah, 265 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:45,180 he's like, so consistent. It's like, oh, there's there's 266 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:47,460 commerce your block. Okay, boom, that's where we stopped there. 267 00:17:47,460 --> 00:17:50,910 Now we can keep going. And he doesn't show limiter. He is the 268 00:17:50,910 --> 00:17:55,560 delimiter. He is, is the limiter. Those things? 269 00:17:55,950 --> 00:18:01,380 So do you want this as as an OPML? Export or CSV? 270 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:11,130 Yes. I think it's more it's probably more appropriate for if 271 00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:13,170 it's an if you know if or 272 00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:20,070 is this is a new age of liberalism. This this is both 273 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:20,490 and 274 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:24,570 okay. Yes, I would love to have for me, of course, OPML would be 275 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:26,970 much better because I'm, what I'm going to do is I'm going to 276 00:18:26,970 --> 00:18:31,950 copy the XML and OPML that's exactly what I'm doing. So it 277 00:18:31,950 --> 00:18:35,640 would skip a step and a whole trip through Redmond, which 278 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,660 would be appreciate I do have libre office too, of course. 279 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,560 Are you in front of or near helipad? Right now? Yeah, of 280 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,100 course you can. 281 00:18:44,430 --> 00:18:48,180 Actually I'm kind of what I thought I thought I had this 282 00:18:48,330 --> 00:18:53,430 Umbral in the value split for like a monitor percent, but I 283 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:56,370 guess not because because I wanted to have the booster grams 284 00:18:56,370 --> 00:18:58,170 coming in while we're doing the show. 285 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:02,970 I thought it was too. Is it not showing up? 286 00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:07,379 No. And if it was in there, it's very possible that Hey, hold on 287 00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:10,019 a second. What network Am I on here? I'm on the right network. 288 00:19:10,049 --> 00:19:14,789 Oh, here we go. Yes, I'm in front of irrelevantly check. 289 00:19:15,299 --> 00:19:23,429 Wow, we just got 33,333 from signs of new growth. 290 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:26,640 So you're you're getting them so yeah, I 291 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,330 guess so. That's weird. I don't understand. But I didn't see the 292 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,850 comics for Blogger one comes through which is odd. 293 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,950 Well, I don't see you in the I don't see in the split the UFC a 294 00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:43,050 podcast.org which is our main node. Dred Scott and curio 295 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:48,210 caster. I don't see you there. I see you're in NA, you have a 296 00:19:48,210 --> 00:19:49,170 split for in a 297 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,220 Yeah, but I just received a boost or 42 minutes ago. Oh, 298 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:56,670 hold on a second. Let me let's go to the source of truth Dave 299 00:19:56,670 --> 00:20:02,820 Jones, which is the source of truth. Truth is the RSS feed. 300 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:04,170 Yeah. 301 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,490 Okay, hold on a second. Let me let me just I can get there 302 00:20:11,490 --> 00:20:16,050 pretty quick. Let's take a look and see what's in the block. 303 00:20:16,050 --> 00:20:19,110 Yeah. Yes. 304 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:24,210 Oh, nothing that was all it was any reaching. Oh, get off the 305 00:20:24,210 --> 00:20:27,630 burner. Getting booster grams off the printer. Oh, they're 306 00:20:27,630 --> 00:20:29,340 still warm. Okay, 307 00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:34,770 so let me see what's in the value block. We have podcast 308 00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:39,180 index strip, Scott curio caster and booster grant monitor. Hey, 309 00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:42,990 the RSS feed has boosted grand monitor that's not reflected on 310 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:47,010 the podcasting 2.0 API, a 311 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,680 booster grant monitor is at the episode level. The channel level 312 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,490 does not have 313 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,960 oh, well of course. Yeah, that's that would make sense. Does it? 314 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,470 Yeah, because that's something that that I'm just putting in 315 00:21:01,470 --> 00:21:03,690 temporarily. And well, 316 00:21:03,690 --> 00:21:06,240 yeah. Well, if you're only putting it in at the episode 317 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,880 level anyway, then you're gonna have to it's gonna override the 318 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,690 channel anyway. 319 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,360 Yeah, well, that's that's what I mean. Okay, now, okay. I gotcha. 320 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:15,360 That makes sense. Yeah. It's not at the podcast level. Yeah. 321 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,750 That's just like real monitor. That's why it's really 322 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:21,000 cold in this room. And I'm currently hugging a stack of 323 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,890 booster grams, because they just came out of the printer. And 324 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:23,460 they're warm. 325 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:30,540 Yes. Oh, you know what? It could also be? Because I'm pretty sure 326 00:21:30,540 --> 00:21:34,470 I put it. It's almost I should put it in the at the channel 327 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:39,300 level. But it's a 1% fee of the whole thing. Right? It may not 328 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:41,970 be getting through, sometimes because of fees. 329 00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:45,240 Oh, it just the fees just obliterate the booster. Yeah, 330 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,270 I think so that's possible to sending it to my note, depending 331 00:21:48,270 --> 00:21:50,040 on where you're coming from. I can see that. 332 00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:55,140 So when I was testing last night, I was sending. I just had 333 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:59,130 to read a shell script to send booster grams with with whatever 334 00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:00,000 JSON? Yes. 335 00:22:00,539 --> 00:22:03,149 No agenda in there. Thanks for that. Yes. 336 00:22:03,959 --> 00:22:08,669 So I was just hitting this thing over and over with every crazy 337 00:22:08,669 --> 00:22:14,219 malformed piece of JSON I could think of and every one of them. 338 00:22:14,579 --> 00:22:18,959 But and I was putting it in for like eight sets each. And every 339 00:22:18,959 --> 00:22:23,699 one for some weird reason. Is was routing through Dave Jackson 340 00:22:23,699 --> 00:22:31,169 School of podcasting node. Which is funny because I like I was 341 00:22:31,169 --> 00:22:39,179 sending it from my Umbral to my voltage node. And I have a 342 00:22:39,179 --> 00:22:43,829 direct I have a channel between myself and volt, that they share 343 00:22:43,829 --> 00:22:46,439 a channel but for some reason it was routing it through Dave 344 00:22:46,439 --> 00:22:47,099 Jackson says, 345 00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:52,080 Well, maybe Dave Jackson has a zero fee is zero fee. 346 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,200 Now, I highly respect Dave Jackson's technology jobs. But 347 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,190 I'm gonna suspect the heat does not know how to set his channel 348 00:23:02,190 --> 00:23:04,080 for his to zero. 349 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:11,640 I mean, oh, man, I think you underestimate maybe 350 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:14,910 Jackson. Maybe the backup singers did it for him. And 351 00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:20,550 it's Dave Jackson. And the Jackson nets everybody. Yes, 352 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:26,490 exactly. Well, I'm super super happy with heli pad. It is a 353 00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:29,610 beautiful piece of software. It's opening people's eyes. I 354 00:23:29,610 --> 00:23:34,230 love how podcasters are promoting it. You're already 355 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:40,050 seeing people doing some cool stuff with it was a dead GG. GG 356 00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:44,430 putting on the webpage. Yeah, that's some cool stuff that 357 00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:48,900 really is. Now we move to another piece of tech because 358 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,210 there's so much happening and I've just been kind of looking 359 00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:55,950 at this big ball of activity. So the flood, it is a flood. So pod 360 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:59,250 ping, we got a new version, which kind of sets it up sets up 361 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,650 a couple other things, including the LIVE TAG, 362 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:06,990 correct? Yes. Yes, there's reason reason codes are in the 363 00:24:06,990 --> 00:24:11,190 new version 1.1 that Brian and Alex really right now 364 00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:15,270 what are the options for the reasons so the pod ping it hits? 365 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:19,290 The reason is it could be new feed new episode live something 366 00:24:19,290 --> 00:24:20,160 What else do we have? 367 00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:26,580 Yeah, well, currently, the reasons are, update or live. 368 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,910 There's your there's your options. If you don't include a 369 00:24:29,910 --> 00:24:34,320 reason code, it just defaults to update. So that means the feed 370 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:34,920 just updated. 371 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:43,020 Yep. So not quite as expansive as No, I mean, you know, the 372 00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:45,390 reason take your panties off. Okay. I'm good. 373 00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:49,080 Yeah, yeah, that one's not in there yet. For some odd reason 374 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,510 that I can't explain. The The reason every reason code has to 375 00:24:54,510 --> 00:24:59,100 have some, you know, it has to have a significant support 376 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,590 structure behind it. So yes, the 377 00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:04,770 air and live isn't as Yeah, I got it. 378 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:08,820 Yeah, the LIVE TAG exists now so that that can be pushed through. 379 00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:17,160 But what's going to happen is now that that update, is there 380 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,950 the 1.1, Hive writer, night, I don't want to bore people let me 381 00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:30,300 back up real quick. So, pod ping is, is the hive writer, that's 382 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,090 really what pod ping that's what it's called hive dash writer. 383 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:40,680 You can run your own hive writer, and if you have hive 384 00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:46,860 blockchain posting keys that have been blessed by podcast 385 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:47,580 index, 386 00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:50,310 then you couldn't and you can write them to the blockchain to 387 00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:51,300 hive block. Yes. 388 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:56,130 Yeah, exactly. So what that's that's different from pod pink 389 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:03,060 cloud. It's a pod pink cloud is a service. Yes, is the service 390 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:06,750 that we provide in order to have an interface into hive writer 391 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:09,600 that people? If you don't have posting keys, it's like 392 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,140 custodial pod ping or noncustodial. Pod ping? 393 00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:16,889 Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. My thoughts. Exactly. 394 00:26:16,919 --> 00:26:20,879 Bingo. Boom shaka laka. Is custodial pod paying is what it 395 00:26:20,879 --> 00:26:28,379 is. or custodial hive writer. And it's a pod ping dot cloud is 396 00:26:28,379 --> 00:26:34,859 two pieces. It's the hive writer, and a front end and a 397 00:26:34,859 --> 00:26:39,659 web front end. So the web front end currently does not. Since 398 00:26:39,659 --> 00:26:42,179 this is new, and the high writer just got updated. The web front 399 00:26:42,179 --> 00:26:47,279 end for piping cloud does not have a way for you to send the 400 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,249 reason codes to it so that it can pass them to high writer. 401 00:26:50,819 --> 00:26:53,279 Got it. Now is my next step. Just 402 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,710 the web server running its own separate thread though. 403 00:26:56,699 --> 00:27:00,059 Yes, yes, it does. Okay. It's also multi threaded. 404 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:02,970 Oh, very nice. Yes. Okay. Just checking if you guys are on the 405 00:27:02,970 --> 00:27:03,390 ball. 406 00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:10,500 Yes, web Web. Neat. Maybe interesting. Part, the piping 407 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:19,380 front end, accepts accepts updates, feed URLs, through 408 00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:24,450 through through a get request, takes the URL immediately puts 409 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:31,890 it into a SQLite database. And then there's a separate thread 410 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,280 that checks the SQLite database for URLs on a timer every few 411 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:44,460 seconds and posts them to hive writer to let it to let it stick 412 00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:47,670 them on the blockchain. That's what's happening there. There's 413 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:49,350 accepting and then transmitted Do 414 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:52,590 we have any visibility on how many people are using this? I 415 00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:55,500 mean, are people identifying when they when they hit if they 416 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,380 hit the pod pink cloud or the pot? If they're using pod ping 417 00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:01,890 writer? Is there any identity? Who was who was sending an 418 00:28:01,890 --> 00:28:06,180 update? Other than you know, the the feed URLs, it kind of gets 419 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:07,260 given away? But 420 00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:10,710 well, there's a there's a user agent that passed along with it. 421 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:12,810 That's a requirement. It has to have a user agent 422 00:28:12,989 --> 00:28:15,989 and just the user agent charge ticket prices, or how does that 423 00:28:15,989 --> 00:28:16,199 go? 424 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,630 Yes, yes, the user agent is the one in charge of you. I 425 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:23,850 should just do that. I should just take everything you say 426 00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:26,580 literally, but not about code and just the English language 427 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:29,730 and ask questions about that. That's how that's how normies 428 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:33,690 listen to this. Yes, I may say if I can if I can put myself 429 00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:35,430 outside of normally dumb for a moment. 430 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Okay, speaking of normies I was on this dis dis workshop 431 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:40,710 yesterday teach Oh, 432 00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:44,580 this is the fam the fam thing was the fan pod. What was it? 433 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:51,840 Defense magazine, defense E S D 's, Fe mes 434 00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,620 de femmes magazine. Okay, what is this? And how did you get 435 00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:56,520 roped into this? 436 00:28:57,030 --> 00:29:02,730 So, well, I got roped into it through Roy scheinfeld. He, he 437 00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:08,100 says, you know, hey, this, this lady's looking for you. And so 438 00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:11,970 anyway, we talked to her and she has started this defense thing, 439 00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:16,080 which is cool. It's like a women's women's trade group. 440 00:29:16,530 --> 00:29:18,600 Yeah, entrepreneurship. crypto. 441 00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:21,330 I'm all for that. Yeah, I think that's good. 442 00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:24,030 Yeah, it's a really cool thing and they're doing some neat 443 00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:27,900 stuff like they're they're a they are a DA Oh, but not on the 444 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:28,590 Ethereum 445 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,860 a Dow $1 A day how are they doing the Dow 446 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,470 they're only Adele financially so like they're they're doing it 447 00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:39,480 through through multi SIG wallets. 448 00:29:39,509 --> 00:29:42,359 Okay, all right. Okay, that's perfect. That's probably even 449 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,659 better than some of these Aetherium things. 450 00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,950 Yes, she said they have a five by five multi SIG please don't 451 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:53,850 email me about me being wrong that eath is great, please. It's 452 00:29:53,850 --> 00:29:55,860 not necessary. Don't care. 453 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,690 Animate career.com They so the The workshop was about like 454 00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:09,060 Bitcoin and is a little bit of a misunderstanding on my part. So 455 00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:13,140 I'm thinking, I thought what my role was there was to explain, 456 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:17,730 like, give the tech side and show how to how this all works 457 00:30:17,790 --> 00:30:23,610 like with the all of podcasting 2.0 Because I see that they're 458 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,850 big for value. Okay, yeah, cuz they seem to be heavy on Bitcoin 459 00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:28,680 here. Look at the website. Okay. 460 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:32,160 I think the thing was like, it was like How to Earn Bitcoin 461 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,530 with your podcast or something. Oh, okay. Right. Make 462 00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:35,550 sense? Yeah. Yeah, I'm 463 00:30:35,550 --> 00:30:37,710 like, Okay, here's how it works. Here's your onboarding, all that 464 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:42,840 kind of stuff. But it so it, it turns out there was not exactly 465 00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:47,520 that I was a little too tech heavy. So I prepared a lot of 466 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,480 slides that 467 00:30:49,199 --> 00:30:52,259 Was it anything like the first 11 minutes of this podcast? 468 00:30:52,259 --> 00:30:55,379 Because then I can understand that they might not have hit the 469 00:30:55,379 --> 00:30:55,889 mark. 470 00:30:56,219 --> 00:31:01,589 It was one notch low ledge down. Okay. From this. Yes. Yes. Yes. 471 00:31:01,649 --> 00:31:08,039 So, I mean, you know, I, I am fairly typically good about 472 00:31:08,069 --> 00:31:13,019 about kind of speaking Normie. I'm usually multilingual that 473 00:31:13,019 --> 00:31:17,189 way. But evidently, I was just like, over by SAS, because she 474 00:31:17,189 --> 00:31:20,399 stopped me about five minutes into it. She was like, Hey, this 475 00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:20,999 is great. 476 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:27,540 I've been this. I've had this happen, you know, you don't even 477 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:31,230 have to continue. I want to hear it though. This is a natural 478 00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:35,490 progression. When when when when you're an evangelist, which what 479 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:38,970 you are, you're an evangelist, and and rightly so as the pod 480 00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:43,380 sage because here we are, created this crap. But yeah, 481 00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:47,790 it's very, and I have this all the time. And Tina, luckily, I 482 00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:52,980 mean, she will text me. Back off, you're missing it. You know 483 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:57,390 if it's a live thing, right? Yeah, it happens. Okay, so hey, 484 00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:59,850 wait, no, no, you got it. No, you got to do the scene. Come 485 00:31:59,850 --> 00:32:02,250 on. I want to hear it. I want to hear the pain you went through. 486 00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:06,060 Hey, oh, Dave, can I just can I just ask you to stop for a 487 00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:12,300 second? Yeah, um, maybe you could speak English. 488 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,890 It was not that bad. She was not she was not that rookie. So the 489 00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:24,600 problem here is I didn't have a wing man. Like you have Tina. 490 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:27,660 Nobody was watching this to text me. That's why 491 00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:31,920 there's two of us, Dave Jones. Um, but okay, you went, you went 492 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,560 rogue. Oh, you Oh, I wasn't invited. Yes, exactly. I wasn't 493 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:34,890 invited. 494 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,730 And so she said, Hey, man, maybe you could like, show, like, 495 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,590 speak to how you like to do this, or how you implement it. 496 00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:50,550 Like she was trying to say, can you get through all the get 497 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:52,380 through all this stuff you're saying right now and kind of 498 00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:53,430 like jump to the end. So 499 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,910 you went to slide 13? Which is podcast or wallet? 500 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,990 Yes. I went to Well, I was on slide 13 when I jumped forward 501 00:33:00,990 --> 00:33:07,980 to slide 33. So I skipped half the presentation. But anyway, so 502 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:10,950 I want this slide deck. Man, this sounds like a great deck 503 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:15,180 that you can pick and pick and poke and pick from to suit the 504 00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:15,930 audience. 505 00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:21,300 Yeah, well, you know, the only the only cool thing to come out 506 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:25,260 of this, as far as we know, for me, I think is that I now at 507 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,260 least have the slides that I can do this presentation at like 508 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,410 podcast moving or something. So what I needed to have, this 509 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,240 is something that we can publish, and people can use it 510 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,140 themselves. 511 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:41,130 Sorta, but that gives the magical way. I want them to have 512 00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:44,220 to come and watch and fall asleep in front 513 00:33:44,219 --> 00:33:46,379 of me. Sorry, I didn't know about you, Dave. I thought it 514 00:33:46,379 --> 00:33:46,619 was for 515 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:48,660 broadcasting things about me. 516 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,580 Wait a minute, there's no room because there's me. You can't 517 00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:54,510 see about you. 518 00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:57,180 He should have been about you yesterday, because being about 519 00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:58,140 me was a disaster. 520 00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:02,520 Right? I would have gladly jumped on that grenade for you, 521 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,660 brother. I don't have 522 00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:07,320 your chops. I don't have your chops to go in front. Like I 523 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,110 have Halle and survive Haertel 45 minutes. I 524 00:34:10,109 --> 00:34:13,379 tell you my most embarrassing moment ever when it came to a 525 00:34:13,379 --> 00:34:16,979 technology presentation. And I don't remember where this was. 526 00:34:16,979 --> 00:34:20,879 But it was a corporate thing. It was a big corporate event. And a 527 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:23,579 buddy of mine was producing corporate events a big 528 00:34:23,579 --> 00:34:28,409 corporation and I'm someone may remember us with a stage and 529 00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:31,049 with rigging and everything. And they wanted me to show the 530 00:34:31,049 --> 00:34:34,979 future of the internet. And this is early. This is the early days 531 00:34:34,979 --> 00:34:38,159 right when Katie Couric was still like email, we can get 532 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,829 something called electronic mail. So that's how long ago 533 00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:43,619 this was come up and sit on my lap kids. Let me tell you a 534 00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:49,289 story. And so I at the time, this is way before podcasting. 535 00:34:49,289 --> 00:34:53,339 This is 90s early 90s. I'm like, I'm going to show the M bone. 536 00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:57,630 Now the M Chem bone. I remember that was the 537 00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:02,280 multicast backbone. And it was was a multicast your 538 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,630 multicasting packets across, you know, basically a virtual 539 00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:11,640 network of connected network segments and nodes. So that, you 540 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,130 know, it was efficient. It wasn't like, you know, because 541 00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:17,100 of course in those days, hey, I got a T one to the office for 542 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,620 1000 people you know, that's that's kind of the level of 543 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:23,190 bandwidth that we had. And it worked really well, you could do 544 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:27,870 high, high level quality stuff. And of course, this really only 545 00:35:27,870 --> 00:35:33,870 worked on on Unix computers. So we had, we were Sun Microsystems 546 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:38,760 ad set up for computers, you know, with mirrors, 90s, right 547 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,390 mirroring screens, and two projectors, so the audience can 548 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:45,570 see it. And you had all these different universities around 549 00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:49,020 the country who were going to pop up on the M bone. And 550 00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:49,440 laughing 551 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,110 because it's the exact same thing. There's no way to explain 552 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:55,290 this in a way that no people understand. 553 00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:59,370 No, no, it What do you mean, there's no way to explain how it 554 00:35:59,370 --> 00:36:00,090 worked? Or 555 00:36:00,210 --> 00:36:04,860 no, I mean, like, there's, it's, it's so cut this is trying to 556 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:09,870 say, basically, we were this, we were doing zoom in 1993. 557 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,620 Yeah. And it was done to convey that to normies is impossible. 558 00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:16,230 Well, you had to and you had to kind of like tell the whole 559 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:19,650 internet, hey, we're gonna do this shit now because, you know, 560 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,440 we're the M bone. Because it was a big deal to pump this this 561 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,320 much. And it was color to to pump this much data through. So 562 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,890 okay, so now imagine so there's a stage the stage is big enough 563 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:35,310 for a band, you know, it's got the black backdrop. It's got the 564 00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:39,060 chrome, flying lights and everything. And you know, it's 565 00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:43,230 big and I'm on a on a stage which has got to be about four 566 00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:49,260 feet high, maybe higher. And so everything set and I'm on stage 567 00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:53,850 and then first thing happens, power goes out and comes back 568 00:36:53,850 --> 00:37:00,090 on. Which of course, every computer rebooted. The whole the 569 00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:03,810 whole em bone went down the everything blipped for a second. 570 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:08,100 And then and they had all these very light that everything was 571 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,920 resetting and the sound it was a mess, right? Say okay, well, 572 00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:15,030 we'll start over an hour. And then we start over and we're and 573 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:17,820 we're doing and I'm ready to present it and I'm I'm 574 00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:21,720 stretching time now. Because all those inbound connections we'd 575 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:25,830 carefully set up for this early version of zoom. Took a little 576 00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:29,730 while and I'm stretching on stage and I and I step right off 577 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:36,240 the stage. Oh, no, four feet down. Oh, shoot. And it because 578 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,640 they didn't have white tape on the edge of the stage. 579 00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:41,790 Right in the pit. Like the you fall into 580 00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:45,870 the on the side on the side now and and I was okay. I wasn't 581 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:50,550 hurt. But my pride and my ego was just like this could not get 582 00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:54,720 any worse. Yeah. And then And then also, okay, great. You just 583 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,000 showed us what they've been what we've seen on Star Trek since 584 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,450 1966. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. 585 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,180 It's seen that now the word in now in bone is forever 586 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,990 associated with body with trauma. Like you carry this it 587 00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:10,320 is 588 00:38:10,349 --> 00:38:15,779 yes, it is. It is the M bone. Gosh. I wish I wish I could 589 00:38:15,779 --> 00:38:19,259 remember some of the people who were doing that and explaining 590 00:38:19,259 --> 00:38:21,839 it to me and the time 591 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:24,480 you had to get on the bone. Like oh, 592 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,140 yeah, no, you needed Yeah, you know, I mean, I had a 56k frame 593 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:32,490 relay full time connection in New Jersey, which was fantastic. 594 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,580 You know, so I your house. Yeah. Yeah. So I could do a lot of 595 00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:39,090 things. It was a my buddies that did Jack's, you know, they were 596 00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:42,960 what is, you know, later was sold for billions of dollars. 597 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,120 They were above a Chinese restaurant in Virginia 598 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,900 somewhere. And they set up mtv.com which was a headless sun 599 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:56,400 Three server and and a workstation. Yeah. And, and they 600 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,980 had all the connections, they were they this is early days of 601 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,400 literally streaming the internet together. So they were getting 602 00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:06,270 you know, pipes in and they knew all the telco people to talk to 603 00:39:06,570 --> 00:39:10,140 and you know, so the guy had to drive from Virginia to my house 604 00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:15,840 in Jersey, and he installed a 56k frame relay modem. And then 605 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,870 he made some phone calls you know up to the phone line to add 606 00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:21,570 an extra phone line put in and then he called somebody 607 00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:25,290 somewhere else and that guy Jack some things in and boom. But 608 00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:31,080 this was when we still had 48k modems you know, so I have a 56k 609 00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:32,280 dedicated K 610 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,810 and the positive but dedicated it stayed on all the time. Yeah, 611 00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:40,410 no dial up. Yeah, that's beautiful. We had dual dual 612 00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:41,340 ISDN. 613 00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:46,140 Top 28 I'm gonna have to top you. So we have to go to the 614 00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:50,550 North Pole. Because this is early on ramp my company on ramp 615 00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:55,770 9596 Our client was Molson ice, and Molson ice. We'd come up 616 00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:58,860 with a promotion that was it was part of our promotion, the 617 00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:02,220 Molson ice cream Polar beach party and there would be a 618 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:06,240 contest and you had to of course had to buy the beer. And then 619 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:11,670 the prize was 100 Prize winners, we'd fly you to the North Pole 620 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,840 and there'll be a concert with Metallica and Courtney Love and 621 00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:19,680 verruca salt. And we were going to and we were going to cyber 622 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,000 cast from the North Pole, cyber, which was basically see you see 623 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,530 me video, right, but okay, cyber cast. And we built what we 624 00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:36,090 called the road box, and it was, I think it was 30 48k modems all 625 00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:40,350 multiplex together, and then you and then we could pretty much at 626 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:44,220 least get eight or 10 phone lines. So you know, we were just 627 00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:47,010 jacking all these phone lines in as many as we could get with 628 00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:51,210 extension cords, you know, and and we were able to actually 629 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,480 probably think we had like 250k 350k throughput. 630 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:59,430 That is, people do not understand how complicated this 631 00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:01,530 stuff used to be. Wait, because we did the same thing we had 632 00:41:01,530 --> 00:41:06,720 multiplex modems for. For some of our road users when I worked 633 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:15,540 at the insurance companies was probably 9596. This is pre ISDN 634 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,560 rounds around the same time I was doing it Sure. Yeah. And 635 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,730 we'd have we'd have like, four or five multiplex together in 636 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,460 order to get as 400 access back and forth between state 637 00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:29,700 as 400 was my client, man, we built our website. 638 00:41:30,210 --> 00:41:33,510 Yeah. People just don't I mean, like, oh, we had one we had it 639 00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:33,810 as 640 00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:36,780 402 Oh, we'll put a web server on it. Run it off of that 641 00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:39,810 because of course, you know, you can't have your web server be 642 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:44,610 Microsoft Internet Information Server if your IBM as 400 643 00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:48,180 division. Oh, my God war stories. Hey, listen, what let's 644 00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:51,210 move forward in the world of rail, we have gone completely 645 00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:56,580 off the rails. Okay, well, so. But ultimately, do you think we 646 00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:59,490 are on boarded? Anybody know? Well, the defend magazine 647 00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:05,250 defend that this is? Maybe one also. So there's a lady there. 648 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,630 That was she said she I think if I understood it correctly, she 649 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:12,480 said she was in charge of the podcast for Wall Street beds. 650 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:20,040 Oh, really? All right. Nice. Well see. So going back to pod 651 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,750 ping. This board meeting, which is a public board meeting for 652 00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:28,260 all stakeholders. It's stakeholder capitalism, 653 00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:33,330 everybody. Only real, like the real stakeholder capitalism, 654 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,780 like the real web three, and not some Silicon Valley crap. 655 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:41,790 Stakeholders is one of those words that just like yes, it 656 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:43,050 drives me up the wall. 657 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:51,930 So the combo of pod ping with the reason we call it variable, 658 00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:55,800 reason variable, raising the reason code reason co raising 659 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,750 parameter, reason parameter there you go, which is live. A 660 00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:08,640 hosting company contacted me Who, who, now they do streaming. 661 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:11,610 That's their main bread and butter. And they have corporate 662 00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:15,960 clients. And interestingly enough, they have radio networks 663 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,790 as clients, and they want to do a podcasting companion and 664 00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:26,010 business to business. And but also have another property they 665 00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:29,610 own I will have to go unnamed. I'm sorry to be a douche. But 666 00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:33,180 I'm not doing an NDA like Todd. No one asked me for that. 667 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:40,410 They're just like, no one cares what curry knows. And in most of 668 00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:44,610 this, in this combo, have the ability to signal a live stream, 669 00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:48,030 but also podcasts and they have a consumer side as well. And 670 00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:52,560 this would be a completely new entrant into the space. And so 671 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,470 when they contacted me, you know, I did a little jig and 672 00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:59,400 went, excuse me, can I pitch you on something? What if you came 673 00:43:59,430 --> 00:44:03,540 out of the gate as the first hosting company to implement all 674 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,520 of the podcasting 2.0 features? 675 00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:08,910 And like, what did they what was their response to this? 676 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,920 Well, yeah, we love that idea. How do we get started? And so 677 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,010 next week, we're setting up a call, don't worry, you'll get a 678 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,440 new get an invite. Hey, since we're talking about that, too, 679 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,960 this is something very odd that that I've seen more and more of, 680 00:44:24,990 --> 00:44:27,210 and I wanted to know if that's something you see in the 681 00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:31,470 corporate world, or just how this is what you're trying to 682 00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:34,500 set up an appointment with someone and someone will send 683 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:39,630 you a link to some third party website or app or whatever it is 684 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:45,360 a website scheduling. Yes. And then they give you their you can 685 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,770 schedule your own time with them on their calendar on their 686 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:50,490 calendar. 687 00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:53,400 Yeah, that's that's been the thing for a few years. Yeah. 688 00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:57,150 Yeah. Which is to me has always been insane because people have 689 00:44:57,150 --> 00:45:00,420 wanted it like with our firm and had to go through all All this 690 00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:03,870 due diligence to make sure that what they were going to be 691 00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:08,760 putting onto the calendar was safe. And I mean, it's, it's 692 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,190 kind of a wild west because you have to Oh auth and all this 693 00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:14,820 kind of jazz. I was like, I resisted it for a very long 694 00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:16,410 time. But no, it's the thing. 695 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,710 I just find it very interesting. It's like, you know, someone 696 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:23,340 contacts me and says, May I have a meeting with you? And then you 697 00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:26,580 say, Yes, pick a time. Manage me. 698 00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:30,000 Yeah, yeah, that's Calendly I think. Yeah. Calendly. Yeah, 699 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,690 that's it. That's, yeah, I know. Maybe I'm old school. But that's 700 00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:36,510 a shift in, in social intercourse. 701 00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:39,569 It is shifting social intercourse. That 702 00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:44,490 very Kokesh actually, down that road. I find 703 00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:47,550 that like, it's a you set the calendar and I'll watch it 704 00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:48,060 mostly. 705 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,230 Moses did it to me. I thought, wow. Because you know, we're 706 00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:56,850 setting up a meeting not in a way, maybe it's like you make 707 00:45:56,850 --> 00:45:59,040 everybody else your assistant, I guess. 708 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:04,560 It's to me, it is always been. It's always been kind of crazy. 709 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,250 Because it's like, you finally get the inroad as a sales guy, 710 00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:12,480 because all this stuff starts with the sales. Sales. Yeah, we 711 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,730 need this because we're constantly inputting data and 712 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:17,100 creating calendar events. So I've got an idea. 713 00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:19,410 Sales goods, make 714 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:24,900 them do it. Let's make the, the guy that we just pitched to 715 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:26,340 let's make him do the work. 716 00:46:26,429 --> 00:46:30,629 How lazy are they? Well, let me tell you. Okay, well, that's 717 00:46:30,629 --> 00:46:35,429 funny. So that so that was, that was kind of exciting. Because 718 00:46:35,429 --> 00:46:39,959 that could be a good hybrid. And who knows me there's people are 719 00:46:39,959 --> 00:46:42,209 looking for streaming stuff, too. You know, they're looking 720 00:46:42,209 --> 00:46:44,489 for options, they are looking for options. 721 00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:48,990 You know, there's a lot of stuff going on with with hosts. I know 722 00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:52,980 if two things if this is like the Todd Cochran show, because I 723 00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:57,210 can't I can't say anything about it. But I just want to I just 724 00:46:57,210 --> 00:47:02,250 want to say though, that in general, that there there are 725 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:08,700 things happening, that are going to be like announced that people 726 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,120 are new hosting companies are doing podcasting. 2.0 things. 727 00:47:12,149 --> 00:47:15,599 Oh, yes. This is a very good point. Actually. I would say in 728 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,649 general, you're more in contact with hosting companies than I 729 00:47:19,649 --> 00:47:22,799 am, which is smart. Because everyone who contacts me I 730 00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,549 immediately talk about their shit on the show. Yeah, so maybe 731 00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:31,919 that's a smart move. But yes, I mean, can you be as as vague as 732 00:47:31,919 --> 00:47:33,239 I am about some stuff? 733 00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:37,890 Oh, my vagary is level 11? Because I don't I'm not 734 00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:43,980 actually. I know, I do know it. I'm just not gonna say it. So. I 735 00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:47,400 mean, I just wanted to say that just to know, like, there's no, 736 00:47:47,550 --> 00:47:49,860 sometimes it looks like with a project like this, that things 737 00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:52,860 are stagnating. Like with comments or that kind of thing. 738 00:47:52,890 --> 00:47:56,700 But that's really not true. It's not nothing is stagnating, it's 739 00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:01,230 just that people are off building things. And that is 740 00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:05,190 like, like John Spurlock, there seemed to be a stagnation that 741 00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:09,210 was happening with comments. And some of that was because John 742 00:48:09,210 --> 00:48:12,540 was off writing software and reading specs. And 743 00:48:12,570 --> 00:48:15,360 what exactly did he do? Because it looks something like, again, 744 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,090 it's all this. This is what I was talking about this energy 745 00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:21,990 that comes and goes and waves. And then is this relate is this 746 00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:25,860 kind of like some code, some package you can put into your 747 00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:29,760 into your app that will manage part of the activity pub 748 00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:30,870 functionality? 749 00:48:31,469 --> 00:48:34,769 Yeah, that seems to be exactly what it is. So it, it really 750 00:48:34,799 --> 00:48:38,909 seems to be a way to ease adoption for apps nice. And 751 00:48:38,909 --> 00:48:42,299 misunder. I was running through the spec this or running through 752 00:48:42,299 --> 00:48:45,389 his documentation this morning. I misunderstood part of it. I 753 00:48:45,389 --> 00:48:48,779 thought there was a component for us in there for the hosting. 754 00:48:49,229 --> 00:48:53,009 But But no, I read after he said, No, I don't know what 755 00:48:53,009 --> 00:48:54,929 you're talking about. Read read through it again, as I 756 00:48:54,929 --> 00:49:01,829 understand it, now. It's it's for the apps to be able to allow 757 00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:06,569 for posting comments from the app from the app in an easier 758 00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:11,729 way. Yeah. So I mean, it's this. This is a pretty he's he is 759 00:49:11,729 --> 00:49:16,109 really good at writing these micro services, which allow sort 760 00:49:16,109 --> 00:49:19,889 of gateway functionality. So he you know, he wrote the web sub 761 00:49:19,889 --> 00:49:24,929 to pod ping gate website, poppin, gateway, and in this 762 00:49:24,929 --> 00:49:29,609 kind of thing, so he, this is going to be a, I think, a 763 00:49:29,609 --> 00:49:34,109 valuable service for apps to use. Now the question is in this 764 00:49:34,109 --> 00:49:37,799 is what I don't know the answer to yet. Because I've got this 765 00:49:37,799 --> 00:49:40,919 stack of paper. The Get up thread on this was 10 miles long 766 00:49:40,919 --> 00:49:43,499 as I printed it out, and I'm going to read it this weekend. 767 00:49:45,449 --> 00:49:52,499 Is James Crillon had a proposal for in this is a it's similar to 768 00:49:52,499 --> 00:49:55,619 an old proposal. I don't know if it's the same yet or not, but 769 00:49:56,609 --> 00:50:00,419 the proposal to create something like podcast comments.org that 770 00:50:00,419 --> 00:50:03,929 we would run, which would be sort of like a headless Mastodon 771 00:50:03,929 --> 00:50:10,349 or something like that they would host root posts. Now, I 772 00:50:10,349 --> 00:50:13,889 don't know if it's exactly the same thing as before, I just 773 00:50:13,889 --> 00:50:17,249 haven't read it. But that there's, there's at least a 774 00:50:17,249 --> 00:50:23,489 proposal out there that got some got a lot of good feedback on us 775 00:50:23,489 --> 00:50:29,549 hosting some sort of activity pub depository for lack of a 776 00:50:29,549 --> 00:50:30,359 better as a 777 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,410 mean, like a shim 778 00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:36,780 is not as not really a shim, but I don't I liked it. I haven't 779 00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:39,030 read through it fully yet, because it's a mile long, and I 780 00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:44,100 was deep in hell a pat. So the, the idea is that we would run 781 00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,000 some sort of thing that some sort of instance where the root 782 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,950 post for a show would live. And then. So I think the concept 783 00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:58,980 here and the worry is that we would be the worry with this 784 00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:01,080 kind of thing. And it was at the very beginning and Alex case 785 00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:04,080 brought this up was that we wouldn't have to then be sucked 786 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,550 into moderation of content, which we obviously clearly is a 787 00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:14,790 no go, I mean, I'm not doing that. But if we just simply host 788 00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:20,970 the root post, and you combine it with mini pub, I think the 789 00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:26,820 idea is that the the content would live in a place where the 790 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:31,170 app could moderate it, rather than us. And the only thing that 791 00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:35,310 lives on our site is just the route post. But 792 00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:40,350 how does it what is the source of truth for the route post? 793 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,539 It would just be the activity pub inbox, you know, for 794 00:51:45,539 --> 00:51:51,689 whatever the route post is, whatever it aggregates. See, and 795 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,199 this is where I just had to dig in deeper, but like for the same 796 00:51:55,229 --> 00:52:01,139 way that I can't post like so if I if I I did the comments post 797 00:52:01,169 --> 00:52:04,259 today for the show, right? The one that you're going to put in 798 00:52:05,669 --> 00:52:13,469 and I can't as the post owner, go and delete your reply. I 799 00:52:13,469 --> 00:52:18,179 think is an admin could on our on our box. I think if the 800 00:52:18,179 --> 00:52:19,559 comment was from our box, no, 801 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,270 I am as admin comments on podcast index out social. Yeah, 802 00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:25,230 I can delete those. 803 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:32,700 Yeah, but I do it all the time. Just fine. Just just laughs But 804 00:52:32,730 --> 00:52:36,330 I can't as the post owner, because I don't I mean, I don't 805 00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:37,800 really own the car. I don't know you can 806 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,310 delete you can delete an or delete and redraft. Can you not? 807 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:44,700 Yeah. Yeah. 808 00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:45,780 As the post owner. 809 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,730 Yes, for my post, but I can't do it. If you reply to my post. I 810 00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:53,220 can't modify your reply in any way. 811 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:58,080 Here. No, of course not in the in the thread. It should only be 812 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,910 the person who made the route. Book is for my money. I wanted 813 00:53:02,910 --> 00:53:05,910 all the sticking, you can't remove it at all. Okay, that's 814 00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:08,580 that's the Adam curry way of developing around the problem. 815 00:53:09,690 --> 00:53:13,200 That's disaster. That's not but but I know what you will. So 816 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,940 the only thing I'm concerned about is Well, exactly what Alex 817 00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:21,750 brought up. So I don't even want to receive a message about it. 818 00:53:22,290 --> 00:53:27,570 You know, if if the route posts if there's Okay, so bottom line, 819 00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:30,180 I know you haven't read through it now. I can try. 820 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,989 We're talking Yeah, we're talking. I'm talking completely 821 00:53:33,989 --> 00:53:36,359 out of them. So uncomfortable with this comment. Okay. 822 00:53:36,659 --> 00:53:39,149 Oh, please. I'm making you uncomfortable. 823 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,800 I don't feel safe. Okay. Well, 824 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,930 let me just let me just get it out. And you don't have to 825 00:53:42,930 --> 00:53:46,800 answer the question. But ultimately, we hold the power 826 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,930 over deleting that post that root post. And it root Yeah. And 827 00:53:51,930 --> 00:53:54,870 it cannot be restored by someone else. If we delete it. 828 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,310 Even if that would be that would be my understanding. Yes. 829 00:53:59,369 --> 00:54:00,629 Okay. Well, I don't like it. 830 00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:04,590 Why don't you? Why don't you like that? 831 00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:08,820 Because then we're, we're the source of truth. It's not you 832 00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:12,120 know, if if we delete something out of someone's feed on podcast 833 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,880 index on the update, it's back again, right? Or it's or it's in 834 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,500 the end. Now we become the the bottom of the tree. It's like, 835 00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:22,710 huh, put that shit on the blockchain. Give it give it to 836 00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:24,780 Brian of London. Let him figure that out. 837 00:54:25,409 --> 00:54:28,559 Well see, I think the idea here and I'm not defending this idea 838 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:28,619 or 839 00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:30,960 supporting it. No, I'm just being flipped into. I mean, I 840 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,540 have no idea what I'm talking about. This is not a safe space. 841 00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:37,560 Just, we've we're beyond that, Dave. Yes. And 842 00:54:40,889 --> 00:54:46,949 I think that the idea here is that this would be a some sort 843 00:54:46,949 --> 00:54:52,889 of temporary thing to just get the apps to sort of break the 844 00:54:52,889 --> 00:54:59,189 chicken egg dilemma that we would sort of blaze the trail 845 00:54:59,189 --> 00:55:04,829 and put in pay A road and any other wonderful metaphor that 846 00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:09,299 you can think of to get this thing to exist and then at some 847 00:55:09,299 --> 00:55:14,009 point in the future, when they're when adoption, springs 848 00:55:14,009 --> 00:55:20,009 forth, then we would stop. That That is my understanding. But 849 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:25,770 you mean just just like podcast or wallet? Yeah, inserting the 850 00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:29,190 value block, which is being done. From coast to coast by 851 00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:30,390 kids everywhere now. 852 00:55:30,869 --> 00:55:34,379 Yes. Yes, that's right. Okay, so it's the new summer 853 00:55:34,379 --> 00:55:35,039 extravaganza. 854 00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:39,930 And if we fall down, is there a way for that to be resurrected 855 00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:40,800 by others? 856 00:55:44,219 --> 00:55:44,939 Maybe, 857 00:55:45,329 --> 00:55:49,349 okay, yeah. It just put it on the IPF just put on the IPFS. 858 00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:50,489 That works all the time. 859 00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:52,710 Oh, yeah. That never crashes? 860 00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:57,630 Never crashes. Okay, I'm fine. I'm obviously I'm not, I'm 861 00:55:57,630 --> 00:56:00,600 obviously open, we got it, we got to think about it. It's just 862 00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:05,460 I think the and hey, man, I'm with James on let's get this 863 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:08,370 shit done already. Look at the opportunities, the time to move 864 00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:13,560 is now I get that and I'm all in on it. But by the same token, 865 00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:21,960 you know, I am completely on board with this, you know, 866 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,880 however, this is, if people I just hate this is what I get 867 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,690 into? Yeah, I don't know. I don't like to sacrifice to make 868 00:56:30,690 --> 00:56:34,800 it easier for people to do. That's if it was, if it was 869 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,980 easy, then everyone would do it. And you know, what, we've had a 870 00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:41,580 million comments systems, it's never really worked cross 871 00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:44,610 platform, because we've never really gone through the hard 872 00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:48,870 bit. And I feel right now that we're very close. And we I have 873 00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:51,390 no idea what that means. But we need to punch a little bit 874 00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:55,740 further. And we're going to have something and I can feel it. 875 00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:58,200 We're very close. We're so much further than we were when we 876 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,640 started. But it's really important. Because Because so 877 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,080 much can go wrong with comments so much. This is not an easy 878 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,800 thing that we're doing. Not easy. So it's worth it to fight 879 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,340 through it. 880 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,550 Hardest tag we're ever going to do. I can just yeah, that was so 881 00:57:14,550 --> 00:57:15,750 much confidence. So it's 882 00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:18,930 okay, you know, it has to be okay. Otherwise, it'll just be 883 00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:22,590 another thing that a couple people use, you know, you see 884 00:57:22,590 --> 00:57:26,190 the, when you see the how the true openness works of what 885 00:57:26,190 --> 00:57:29,820 we've what we've accomplished so far. It's, it makes me want to 886 00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:36,870 cry. And when I see pod ping, and again, Brian of London's 887 00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:41,850 gonna have it have to have his own plaque. Because it really, 888 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:45,480 it really is a beautiful creature. And you see, I mean, 889 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,590 that is, if anyone just say what what is really podcasting 2.0 890 00:57:49,590 --> 00:57:52,890 That's pod ping, that's that I think it's going to be I've said 891 00:57:52,890 --> 00:57:57,480 it before, that is going to be such an important beast than 892 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,570 just the just, you know, it's a snake that's a serpent that just 893 00:58:00,570 --> 00:58:03,780 will grow and live and everyone contributes to it. And it's just 894 00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:07,080 going to be there. And that's the thing and you know, anything 895 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,190 I can tie into that. I believe that will will stay alive. And 896 00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:14,340 that's that's where you can get your true decentralization from 897 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,230 now, I'm not saying throw the root post on on the on the hive 898 00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:24,810 blockchain. But I think we have enough. We have enough of the 899 00:58:24,810 --> 00:58:26,700 right energies to come up with a solution. 900 00:58:28,290 --> 00:58:31,560 I think I think we're really close to and we just got to get, 901 00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:36,480 we've got to get this right. Because it's just, I don't care 902 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,250 if it takes another year. Yeah, it just has to be right. Because 903 00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:44,700 if you don't do it, right, and it fails, then you've you've not 904 00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:49,440 only wasted everybody's time, but you've also soured the 905 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,180 industry on yet another thing, so I just I just as long as it 906 00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:58,920 takes, that's fine. As long I just want the end result to be 907 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,630 correct. You know, quote, unquote, yeah, yes. And do it 908 00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:08,190 the right way in. So I think we don't have a guest next week. So 909 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,640 I'm gonna, I will be much better prepared to speak about this 910 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:11,850 next. 911 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:18,660 Okay, cool. Two other updates for the board. It's personal 912 00:59:18,660 --> 00:59:19,650 privilege to speak. 913 00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:20,880 recognized. Thank 914 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:27,750 you. Um, again, through this, through this effort, this board 915 00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:32,190 meeting, I was contacted by a different hardware manufacturer 916 00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:37,980 of fine audio products. Ooh, who approached me with a very direct 917 00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:46,470 approach. Hey, wait, we were Hey, hey, it's like LF G. Adam 918 00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:48,840 curry signature model. Let's build it. 919 00:59:49,290 --> 00:59:55,380 Seriously? Yeah. Right out of the gate. Yeah. Nice. Who is who 920 00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:57,090 is it? Yeah, no, no, no, no. 921 00:59:58,619 --> 01:00:01,619 I haven't eaten We're gonna speak next week. So 922 01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:05,309 let me the Todd Cochran honorary show. Oh, yeah, totally. 923 01:00:05,340 --> 01:00:09,960 I'm not under NDA. I just I don't want to I don't want I 924 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,810 don't want anyone else going to them before me, 925 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,410 okay? Does it does it come with an is it an Umbral note too? 926 01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:22,979 With with not well okay, so they specialize in DSP mixer so 927 01:00:22,979 --> 01:00:28,439 digital signal processing so in essence you know mini computers 928 01:00:28,919 --> 01:00:33,779 why the hell not? Why the hell not built build the build a 929 01:00:33,779 --> 01:00:39,419 little Umbro? I mean the Omroep poly crappy that's a very cool 930 01:00:39,419 --> 01:00:43,529 idea dead Jones I like that we that could be a true all in one 931 01:00:43,529 --> 01:00:44,189 box 932 01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:46,980 demote it has the little screen it kind of looks like an 933 01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:48,600 umbrella already. Just say 934 01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:56,010 Yeah. Huh? I mean, this this thing I think this one you think 935 01:00:56,010 --> 01:01:00,330 what I have in mind, it's more of a of a brick. And you and you 936 01:01:00,330 --> 01:01:06,870 run it all from the from the computer. So it would have a web 937 01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:07,410 server 938 01:01:08,699 --> 01:01:11,699 that they're going to take your they're going to take your input 939 01:01:11,699 --> 01:01:13,919 and just and build the same and build this thing 940 01:01:13,949 --> 01:01:18,479 build it finally build this thing. Yes. And they have DSP 941 01:01:18,479 --> 01:01:22,769 modules with modeling and all that you know, so they have and 942 01:01:22,769 --> 01:01:26,219 it's all real time. But it just seems like they they're they can 943 01:01:26,219 --> 01:01:28,649 quickly put together packages like that's kind of what they 944 01:01:28,649 --> 01:01:33,809 do. So yeah, it's not heard them before but they they work and 945 01:01:33,809 --> 01:01:38,099 they do musicians but out of the gate like oh man, I hear you 946 01:01:38,099 --> 01:01:41,459 with the game or verse in the podcast or gear. Let's do it 947 01:01:41,459 --> 01:01:44,639 Adam curry Signature Edition LF G Okay. 948 01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:48,180 It's like you've caught my attention. 949 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:54,390 Yeah, very cool. We continue to have contact with our on ramp on 950 01:01:54,390 --> 01:02:00,300 ramp to Toshi fountain partner did you know this I still don't 951 01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:04,770 want to mention who it is did you see their their process 952 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,550 graph that that they posted for us to look at how it's supposed 953 01:02:08,550 --> 01:02:14,190 to work as I honestly Dave I looked at it and I want my eyes 954 01:02:14,190 --> 01:02:15,420 rolled back in my head. 955 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,110 It's in the stack okay, it's in this is in the stack of stuff 956 01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:24,060 this will emerge on Sunday night. A new man with much more 957 01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:26,340 knowledge than I have right now on many topics. 958 01:02:26,550 --> 01:02:29,430 And we need Hey, you know people you need to like we need about 959 01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:33,840 $100,000 a year so Dave can leave this job of his to do this 960 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,870 full time. Do you imagine how much we can squeeze out of this 961 01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:40,320 mofo if we if we have all of his attention squeezed 962 01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:43,919 so free pops out the other side. 963 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:49,170 What I what I most admire about you Dave Jones, is how you you 964 01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:56,880 shepherd the project how you your stern yet yet warm. You're 965 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,930 able to know you, you you put your foot down when necessary, 966 01:03:00,930 --> 01:03:03,630 but even when you put your foot down, it's like, it's like the 967 01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:10,080 soft giant with his sandal into the moss. And, and, and, and I 968 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,430 really enjoy watching you. You're managing the project 969 01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:18,150 overall, because you're you're very good with people. 970 01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:21,030 I love you. But you're gonna have to go to your room without 971 01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:21,420 supper. 972 01:03:21,449 --> 01:03:27,419 Yeah, kind of like that. No, but it's very, very admirable. It's 973 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:31,829 sadly Of course, that immediately made me think please 974 01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:37,139 give me the passwords because if you die, We're so screwed. If I 975 01:03:37,139 --> 01:03:40,319 die, it's like okay, smoke my ashes and we're good to go. But 976 01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:43,319 you know, we need we needed we needed a disaster plan at this 977 01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:46,289 point. I don't care what you do put it in escrow? 978 01:03:46,770 --> 01:03:51,030 No, that's my that's my. That's my getting my insurance. 979 01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:55,830 I just have this horrible nightmare. Melissa calls me and 980 01:03:55,830 --> 01:04:00,540 I'm like, Oh, crap. And then I'm an okay, you know, let me tell 981 01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:03,000 you what the only thing I could think of to do. I mean, 982 01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:06,990 obviously, besides calling Eric, you know what I would do? I 983 01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:08,340 would call Alex gates. 984 01:04:09,869 --> 01:04:12,809 This is my insurance for when you replace me with Alice gates. 985 01:04:12,899 --> 01:04:15,359 This is not it? I'm the one that knows the passwords. 986 01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:18,299 Can I can I give you $100,000 a year to just give me the 987 01:04:18,299 --> 01:04:20,159 password so we feel better about it. 988 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,490 negotiable. Okay. I know 989 01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:26,010 because you probably make 250 at that place so I understand the 990 01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:26,460 problem. 991 01:04:26,790 --> 01:04:33,900 It Yes sir. That's That's funny. We got a blip. 992 01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:39,690 Did you see that? Blip? Yeah, we're officially blipped. No a 993 01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:40,740 blip what does it blip? 994 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,810 It is a Bitcoin lightning improvement proposal. 995 01:04:47,130 --> 01:04:53,310 Oh, this is for the TLV record. Yes. Yeah, very cool. V 996 01:04:53,310 --> 01:04:55,890 is now an official blip. It's blip number 10. 997 01:04:55,949 --> 01:05:00,719 Nice. So this has to go through some formal review process. And 998 01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:04,529 it's done. Oh, we're done that. They did the review process. 999 01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:04,859 Yeah. I 1000 01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:06,840 think Ron Gentry just said, Hey, it's done. 1001 01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:10,020 Okay. Well, thank you. Ryan. Have you heard from Ryan Gentry? 1002 01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:11,550 I haven't heard from him a long time. 1003 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,570 Now. Once you left Austin, he disowned. You know, 1004 01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:18,840 once he got everything he needed out of us, he dropped us like a 1005 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,740 hot potato. We were we were the hot chickie of the day. And he's 1006 01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:26,010 like, Oh, hey, okay, this is great. Let me introduce you to 1007 01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:29,850 the team. And then of course, we made fun of the CEO talking 1008 01:05:29,850 --> 01:05:33,180 like, a million miles an hour and then never heard from Ryan, 1009 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:34,290 again. He hates me 1010 01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:36,780 Come on. I mean, to be fair, his name is rosebay. 1011 01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:42,360 You kind of take it as kind of the marketing, right? I agree. I 1012 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,890 agree. Anyway, so yes. So they are serious, they are moving 1013 01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:50,190 forward. And this would be for, you know, if you want to onboard 1014 01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:56,070 someone from the app, from an app, then you would sign up. And 1015 01:05:56,070 --> 01:05:59,160 that and I think that what they're working on, or what they 1016 01:05:59,190 --> 01:06:03,150 more or less completed, is that they can do a light KYC. So they 1017 01:06:03,150 --> 01:06:06,300 can kind of immediately approve you because it all be under you 1018 01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:09,630 know, whatever. $1,000 or whatever it is, but then they 1019 01:06:09,630 --> 01:06:14,190 can then we're kind of working on the technical and the flow of 1020 01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:20,010 dropping the $5 in SATs into that user's wallet who just on 1021 01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:23,280 boarded right away. Well, you know, their account and anything 1022 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,080 they want to do with Bitcoin is processing. 1023 01:06:25,980 --> 01:06:29,940 Yes, I think what? I seen this before, and I think it was with 1024 01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:33,990 a game, some sort of lightning based game that may have been. 1025 01:06:35,610 --> 01:06:38,430 What's the name of that? Does it thunder games? I think that's a 1026 01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:43,140 lightning based game. Come? Yeah. Yeah. So I think what 1027 01:06:43,140 --> 01:06:46,080 they've done or if it may have been them, or somebody else is, 1028 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,850 they've done this progressive KYC it seems to be a thing. 1029 01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:54,420 That's, that's acceptable. So it's like, okay, if I'm going to 1030 01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:59,580 put $10 in this account, then I didn't just an email. It's 1031 01:06:59,580 --> 01:07:04,110 enough. If I'm going to put a you know, $150 in here, then 1032 01:07:04,110 --> 01:07:07,800 maybe I'm correct. Yeah, number. Exactly. It's progressive. 1033 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,890 You're right. Yeah. And if I want to drop five grand in here, 1034 01:07:10,890 --> 01:07:13,560 you're going to need social security and, and more it just 1035 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:19,740 progressed. And if if they're able to get that done, where 1036 01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:21,840 it's like, okay, well, I mean, it's less than 100 bucks, who 1037 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,460 cares? We'll be we can just deal with an email address. That's, 1038 01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:30,570 that's a biggie, that's a really big help to onboarding if, if 1039 01:07:30,570 --> 01:07:34,590 they can Okay, it, you know, with their financials, you know, 1040 01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:37,530 or ties or whatever they're doing that. 1041 01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:39,960 Yeah, it seems like seems like they're getting positive 1042 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:40,890 feedback on that. 1043 01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:45,150 It makes sense. You know, Eric is laughing right now, because I 1044 01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:46,650 always say, hey, this makes sense to me. 1045 01:07:47,490 --> 01:07:51,660 No, yeah. Did you see page 1428 of this bill proposal that came 1046 01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:52,860 from this douchebag. 1047 01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:58,169 All morning, Erica's signal it put no signal? Like these 1048 01:07:58,169 --> 01:08:00,539 horrible things about Chris like, we're all gonna 1049 01:08:00,540 --> 01:08:05,760 die. We're all gonna die. We're gonna be poor in jail, or both? 1050 01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:09,810 Yes. That's what he does. That's what he's supposed to do. I love 1051 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,440 this job. 1052 01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:15,030 I love him for it. Yeah, but to me, it makes perfect sense. And 1053 01:08:15,030 --> 01:08:18,540 I'm sure if I'm just gonna pop five bucks into an account. I 1054 01:08:18,540 --> 01:08:22,800 mean, really? Do I need to give you like, my blood type? And, I 1055 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,810 mean, it's, it's five bucks. 1056 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,780 But again, remember the first five bucks, you don't have to 1057 01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:32,220 spend anything? That's your gift from the company? True? Yes. And 1058 01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:35,430 that's kind of cool. Because I know they'll they'll eventually 1059 01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:40,410 stop that. I would think maybe, but maybe, but maybe not, you 1060 01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:44,160 know, if basically, their customer acquisition costs would 1061 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:50,340 be $5. In today's world that can be very cheap for a product 1062 01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:52,950 where someone may be buying hundreds of dollars of Bitcoin. 1063 01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:56,520 I mean, look at that, compared to customer acquisition costs on 1064 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,980 something like Spotify. Oh, yeah. 1065 01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:01,200 I'm sure that's much higher. Oh, yeah. 1066 01:09:01,230 --> 01:09:03,570 I mean, that's that's a lot of load right there speaking. 1067 01:09:03,750 --> 01:09:11,760 Speaking of we see now who, who I'm going to declare my genius 1068 01:09:11,820 --> 01:09:16,350 that Spotify when I said a few weeks ago that Spotify will 1069 01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:20,400 never drop Joe Rogan. They can't afford to drop Joe Rogan. He is 1070 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,870 the most important key to their entire podcasting platform. And 1071 01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:27,600 you can see that easily by the fact that they kick Neil Young 1072 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,100 to the curb in a heartbeat 1073 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,730 that I thought that was just a comedic move. I thought that was 1074 01:09:32,730 --> 01:09:33,420 so funny. 1075 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:40,230 It was hilarious. Because I mean, so just, just look, it was 1076 01:09:40,230 --> 01:09:45,570 never even a thing. It was never even a question to say it are we 1077 01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:50,610 gonna keep Neil Young or Joe Rogan? I mean, Neil Young, he 1078 01:09:50,730 --> 01:09:54,120 brings in nothing, hardly any revenue to Spotify. They don't 1079 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,640 make any money very much of their streaming. I don't think I 1080 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,530 mean, it's like a break even proposition right? 1081 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:04,320 I even questioned if New Young owns the Masters so that he 1082 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,650 could force Spotify not to make that available. Well, he 1083 01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:10,980 said that he couldn't when he tried to keep Trump from using 1084 01:10:10,980 --> 01:10:12,210 rockin in the free world, well, 1085 01:10:12,210 --> 01:10:16,440 that's, again, different license. It's very complicated, 1086 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:20,310 but I have a feeling that that will obviously it's their 1087 01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:22,950 prerogative to say, Oh, we just don't make it available by Okay, 1088 01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:28,380 no problem. I don't think he can force them to do that. But you 1089 01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:34,410 know, performance versus sync versus physical, there's a whole 1090 01:10:34,410 --> 01:10:36,810 bunch of different licenses, they in streaming, it's 1091 01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:40,200 different licenses, depending on the delivery method. 1092 01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:47,220 Look at who Joe Rogan is for Spotify. He's, he drives say, 1093 01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:54,600 the key reveal the last couple of days was that Spotify in 1094 01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,140 order to advertise on Joe Rogan show you have to buy advertising 1095 01:10:58,140 --> 01:11:01,830 across their entire catalogue. Oh, sure, when he when they have 1096 01:11:01,830 --> 01:11:05,340 revealed that, that shows you that he is driving all of their 1097 01:11:05,340 --> 01:11:10,320 podcast advertising, and he's driving new user growth, Neil 1098 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,920 Young, or any individual music streaming artist isn't doing any 1099 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,270 of that. So that's not even a that's just a no brainer, 1100 01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:23,460 more interesting. And that's I played these clips on no agenda 1101 01:11:23,730 --> 01:11:31,260 is how mainstream can't place it, they can't place the 1102 01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:38,250 success, how can this podcast have a reported 1011? Whatever, 1103 01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,700 I'm sure it's a lot. I don't know how many are active, but 1104 01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:45,060 that's okay. It's clearly more than mainstream shit, my shows 1105 01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:50,250 do more than mainstream. They just can't, that doesn't compute 1106 01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:55,650 in their head. And then the fact that, you know, most shows are, 1107 01:11:56,220 --> 01:11:59,100 you know, very short, very tight, you know, a minute and a 1108 01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:02,490 half, two minutes, segments, tops, go to commercial break all 1109 01:12:02,490 --> 01:12:06,750 this stuff. And it turns out people just tired of that shit. 1110 01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:11,070 They're just tired of it, thank you to streaming, we don't have 1111 01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:14,970 interruptive advertising, to think that people will continue 1112 01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:19,770 to want interruptive advertising or delay, that advertising 1113 01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:23,040 delays for the instant gratification instant 1114 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,290 gratification, society that we are, is short sighted people 1115 01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:32,070 have done with it, you can get so much for free, or you're 1116 01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:36,150 paying for it in different ways with data, etc. We're way beyond 1117 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:39,990 value for value is move beyond all that. And this clearly 1118 01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:42,360 people who have who have already seen the light, you know, 1119 01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,090 they're like, Okay, that's a dead end for me, I'm going to go 1120 01:12:45,090 --> 01:12:45,750 this way. 1121 01:12:47,010 --> 01:12:54,810 Well did play. Let's see play buzz cast, clip, Buzz cast, 1122 01:12:54,810 --> 01:12:56,880 decentralized, monetizing one. 1123 01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,370 I mean, who's gonna come out here and say, We're gonna sell 1124 01:12:59,370 --> 01:13:02,220 podcast monetization for the independent podcaster across all 1125 01:13:02,220 --> 01:13:05,640 platforms? So maybe that's like, I don't know, it's might be too 1126 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,780 big of a question. Or who knows what's happening, I just, I'm 1127 01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:14,100 getting frustrated at what's happening. Because I don't like 1128 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,940 the idea of podcasters getting pushed into the silos that it 1129 01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:22,740 only exposes a portion of their audience, to these monetization 1130 01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:26,280 opportunities that are built with all these. I mean, they're 1131 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,280 cool. And there's some great opportunity there. But it feels 1132 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,850 like, at least in the Spotify world, and the verge article 1133 01:13:32,850 --> 01:13:35,880 kind of talked about this, like, it doesn't feel like a solution 1134 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,790 for podcasting. It feels like a solution for Spotify. And it 1135 01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:42,120 feels like Spotify is saying, Hey, we're gonna follow like the 1136 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,840 YouTube model, and YouTube owns the video space online. They 1137 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,960 help creators make money. But that also comes with a lot of 1138 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,830 drawbacks. But nobody wants to talk about the drawbacks. They 1139 01:13:52,830 --> 01:13:55,530 just want to say, what's the easiest way to monetize? And 1140 01:13:55,530 --> 01:14:00,120 maybe, you know, maybe that's just the way things go. But I 1141 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,260 kind of hope it doesn't. Like, I kind of hope that somebody 1142 01:14:04,260 --> 01:14:08,850 figures out that there is a way to keep podcasting open. And we 1143 01:14:08,850 --> 01:14:14,880 can monetize based around using RSS as an open protocol. And 1144 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,490 that's not a bad thing. That's a good thing. And we can have our 1145 01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:19,830 choice of players. And there is an opportunity for third party 1146 01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:22,500 app developers to continue to make great podcast listening 1147 01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:25,560 experiences that can be as wildly different as something 1148 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,790 like a good pods, or something, you know, like a fountain app. 1149 01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,500 And we have lots of different opportunities to monetize our 1150 01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:37,950 show without being locked into a specific platform. 1151 01:14:39,780 --> 01:14:42,840 Yeah, that's Kevin, Kevin fan from Buzzsprout. And I think 1152 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:47,790 that he's he's expressing the frustration of that what he's 1153 01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:51,420 basically putting, putting some bones to what you just said, 1154 01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:55,770 which is, there's there seems there's platform dominance, and 1155 01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:59,970 the platform dominance comes with the drawback of it. 1156 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,390 incessant advertising, and the, in order to even get into the 1157 01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:11,040 advertising game on those platforms in a real way, you 1158 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,400 have to have at least a certain amount of like downloads. So 1159 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,720 like, the minimum really bar there is like 10,000 downloads 1160 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,850 an episode before you can get into selling ads for any in any 1161 01:15:23,850 --> 01:15:30,810 serious way to make money. So then that leaves up all of let's 1162 01:15:30,810 --> 01:15:33,630 just say that maybe that's I don't know, the top 5% of shows 1163 01:15:33,660 --> 01:15:39,120 if that much, at least 95% of podcasts out in the cold. So but 1164 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:43,680 then you take an alternative payment model, like value for 1165 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,610 value. And I think this is important. It's not just this is 1166 01:15:47,610 --> 01:15:51,180 not just a rehash of stuff we've said in the past thing is 1167 01:15:51,180 --> 01:15:58,200 important to know that you can't sustain an audience and a show 1168 01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:04,410 on 200 listeners, or 200 downloads or whatever you metric 1169 01:16:04,410 --> 01:16:10,590 you want to use on very small numbers. If you allow them a way 1170 01:16:10,590 --> 01:16:15,690 to pay you directly in a in app no friction free. It's a 1171 01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:16,890 superior model. 1172 01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:24,000 We have we have many skilled professional writers in in the 1173 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:30,090 project in the group. The power of podcasting does not lie with 1174 01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:35,070 just the hosting companies with just the app companies. The true 1175 01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:39,660 power of podcasting is the podcasters every single show I 1176 01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:43,800 do I am telling people to go to new podcast apps.com. And 1177 01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:47,580 there's multiple reasons for it. And one reason, which I think is 1178 01:16:47,580 --> 01:16:51,450 very useful, if you want to educate your clients, your 1179 01:16:51,450 --> 01:16:57,180 users, your friends, your podcasters is do you want to 1180 01:16:57,180 --> 01:17:01,410 make sure that you always can listen to this podcast, you must 1181 01:17:01,410 --> 01:17:06,570 use a modern podcast app. Because that is connected to 1182 01:17:06,570 --> 01:17:11,010 podcasts index. You could wake up tomorrow using Apple and my 1183 01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:14,490 show won't be there. What are you going to do? Starts with 1184 01:17:14,490 --> 01:17:18,690 that, get them to do that. Ask them to use a new or modern 1185 01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:23,730 podcast app that will that will protect that relationship you 1186 01:17:23,730 --> 01:17:31,410 have. And with that come features. So the buzz cast? I 1187 01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:35,460 don't know what clip to is. First of all, I'd hoped that 1188 01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:40,290 they would maybe consider using a value block just to kind of 1189 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,950 show by example, if then, you know, I don't know if that's you 1190 01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:47,850 think they would? Yeah, I think they would, um, but it's all 1191 01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:51,360 about educating your users. And of course, you can only educate 1192 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,220 them and stuff that you've implemented. So you know, 1193 01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:56,820 there's yet another chicken in the egg. But people are going to 1194 01:17:56,820 --> 01:18:00,270 start figuring it out how to do this. And I really love all the 1195 01:18:00,270 --> 01:18:04,260 people who are hosting companies. I think it's so key. 1196 01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:08,310 You got to believe it. You know, I know who does and who doesn't 1197 01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:12,300 believe it because it shows in the code. Yeah. So I just hope 1198 01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:14,970 we can we can kind of get everybody to move in unison. 1199 01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,500 I think so this is going to it's a little is gonna sound a little 1200 01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:23,940 self serving, but play. But I think it's important place Sam 1201 01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:26,700 said the Adam and Dave are geniuses. 1202 01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:30,330 I'm getting more and more excited. I have to say I was on 1203 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,540 with Adam and Dave about a year ago on their show. And I was a 1204 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,450 little skeptical about value for value. And I was like, Is that 1205 01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:39,570 the right way? And I didn't really understand about, you 1206 01:18:39,570 --> 01:18:43,530 know, difference between ECE and SATs and I sort of just decided 1207 01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:45,690 to get my head into and understand that it's pretty easy 1208 01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:50,400 once you do and I think they've picked the right right path. And 1209 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,250 it seems industry momentum is going their way with lightning 1210 01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:57,150 networks and SATs and you know Jack Dorsey is well into it. 1211 01:18:57,540 --> 01:19:02,580 Twitter is and cash app and it's going and I still think he says 1212 01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:07,080 just yeah, he's well, NF T's are certainly getting a hammering 1213 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,020 this week. So yeah, I think you know, they've picked the right 1214 01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:10,920 pony to ride. 1215 01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:16,260 I want to say three things about this clip. Number one, clearly 1216 01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:18,960 what he is expressing is that we're we're geniuses, 1217 01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:22,980 obviously yes. And I agree. We encourage this type of analysis. 1218 01:19:23,190 --> 01:19:28,260 Yes. Number two, that screeching high pitch thing you hear in the 1219 01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:32,340 background that is the sound of of the taint of Australia. That 1220 01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:33,600 is the Australian tank. 1221 01:19:34,410 --> 01:19:38,850 I when I listen to the show, I wanted to see if I could reach 1222 01:19:38,850 --> 01:19:42,150 James and see if you know he was under attack in something like 1223 01:19:42,150 --> 01:19:46,800 Invasion of the Body Snatchers. It hasn't like God people are 1224 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,620 coming they just you know that that sound is in there is that 1225 01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:51,360 he can he not turn that off? 1226 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,200 I think I think it does. The decibel level at that frequency 1227 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,160 destroyed that part of his his his hearing. Like years ago. 1228 01:19:59,160 --> 01:19:59,280 I've 1229 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,700 heard it I've heard this before. And I just wonder Is he is he 1230 01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:05,760 camping in the outback? You know, is it crickets? I mean, 1231 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,610 it's fascinating to listen to, but then he fades it up and 1232 01:20:08,610 --> 01:20:10,800 down. You know, it's like when they're not talking, then he 1233 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,040 fades it down. And then it's kind of gone. I'm like, I wonder 1234 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,650 if maybe we just have a during the whole mix, you know, not 1235 01:20:16,650 --> 01:20:17,820 just when he's talking. 1236 01:20:18,270 --> 01:20:23,430 This is that is actually the way to cube you know, the Havana 1237 01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:25,890 syndrome that was delivered. 1238 01:20:28,590 --> 01:20:30,450 Through pod land podcast, 1239 01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:33,690 yeah. Dropping lead the embassy, people are dropping like flies. 1240 01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:38,490 So the, so that the well, this 1241 01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:41,370 is great. This is a great example. And I really appreciate 1242 01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:45,060 what Sam said, but and I know you have a third point. Yeah. 1243 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,260 This is a perfect example of Bitcoin changes you. 1244 01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:52,920 That's, that's really kind of the point. I was wondering that. 1245 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,040 Yeah, you kind of took it out of my mouth. I'm sorry. No, no, no, 1246 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,310 no, please. But that's kind of what I was gonna say is that 1247 01:21:00,330 --> 01:21:05,970 you, it looks when you first hear about it, it looks like 1248 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,720 internet funny money. Nobody will ever get on board with 1249 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:14,550 this. There's, there's so many negatives, that you can 1250 01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:20,520 immediately look at. But at some point, I think you make this, 1251 01:21:20,940 --> 01:21:26,340 you have a brain flip. And you flip to, it's really not about 1252 01:21:26,340 --> 01:21:30,240 those things. It's about this is really the only way forward. 1253 01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:35,730 It's not about the potential problems. It's about feasible 1254 01:21:35,730 --> 01:21:42,390 solutions. And this really is the the only realistic feasible 1255 01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:47,370 solution for monetizing small podcasts that I can think of, 1256 01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:54,090 and anybody else can think of. So like that, that's really, 1257 01:21:54,900 --> 01:21:57,540 that's really where the where the flip happens. But and I 1258 01:21:57,540 --> 01:22:01,050 think, Well, speaking of Todd Cochran, this is the honorary 1259 01:22:01,050 --> 01:22:04,740 Todd Cochran show, we, he has now bought an Umbral 1260 01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:08,250 like, I know, hell is frozen over. 1261 01:22:09,390 --> 01:22:14,460 So you get I mean, like this, the the progression here is that 1262 01:22:14,460 --> 01:22:19,170 eventually you see that this thing, not only can worked, that 1263 01:22:19,170 --> 01:22:21,690 really kind of is the only way to do it. 1264 01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:26,550 This and this is has been podcasting since 1.0. It's a 1265 01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:31,590 slow grower, it just go slow. And it doesn't matter what what 1266 01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:35,070 fire you think you could afford, you know, what fuel you can 1267 01:22:35,070 --> 01:22:38,970 throw on the fire that occurs naturally, this these bumps and 1268 01:22:38,970 --> 01:22:43,080 these things that happen, and shit happens at exactly, exactly 1269 01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,930 the right time, which is, you know, when preparation meets 1270 01:22:45,930 --> 01:22:49,200 opportunity, that's my definition of luck. And then oh, 1271 01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,870 crap, and then we can, you know, and so you and I are kind of 1272 01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:54,540 lightning rods as well, you know, now everyone's becoming 1273 01:22:54,540 --> 01:22:58,800 their own, their own lightning rod. was gonna say something 1274 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:06,780 about? Yes, so the Lightning Network and what we're doing 1275 01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:10,740 with podcasting, 2.0 is more examples of but what we're doing 1276 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:18,840 is fulfilling the promise of micro payments, the way the 1277 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,890 promise has not been delivered of your refrigerator, ordering 1278 01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:26,580 the milk when the carton is almost empty. No one has done 1279 01:23:26,580 --> 01:23:33,000 that no one has done that. Yes, but we have fulfilled the micro 1280 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:39,990 payment on demand. And the only way it works, and this is the 1281 01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:45,870 headspace that people are slowly coming into is if you don't make 1282 01:23:45,870 --> 01:23:49,650 it impossible to get to it if you don't want to pay. Yeah, 1283 01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:54,570 yeah, we that humanity has shown us that value for value and 1284 01:23:54,570 --> 01:23:59,490 communicating that message, which is not the same as tip me 1285 01:23:59,610 --> 01:24:02,880 to ask someone for a tip you're going to get 20% of what you 1286 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:09,810 wanted. Think logically. So what was this meal worth to you? I 1287 01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:16,860 had a meal last night. mussels and clams in this white sauce 1288 01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:23,640 with garlic and I I had had two gummies before that. I had my 1289 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:28,680 head in the bowl Dave I'm like oh my god. In the bowl, bro and 1290 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,490 my fingers and Tina was like she was loving it. She's like drink 1291 01:24:32,490 --> 01:24:35,160 the bowl. Drink it, drink it drink it. I'm like, No, I'm not 1292 01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:41,610 I'm not an orphan. Yeah. Yes, that's exactly what I was. 1293 01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:52,080 Anyway, yeah. So that. Yeah. So we're so we're fulfilled. We're 1294 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,500 fulfilling a promise and it's so exciting. And when people see it 1295 01:24:55,500 --> 01:25:01,770 and when they understand it. I'm I am Mo i The most impatient and 1296 01:25:01,770 --> 01:25:05,550 I've made so many mistakes by being impatient. And I'm still 1297 01:25:05,550 --> 01:25:10,200 impatient. Again, the gummies help but just slows you down. 1298 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,950 You know, you don't worry about stuff that much. But look at you 1299 01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:17,760 are so right man that we are we are growing. We're gaining this 1300 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,810 adoption. And everything's coming up around us. And this is 1301 01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:25,950 part of what I love so much about fountain. They're doing 1302 01:25:25,950 --> 01:25:29,070 promotions, I see it all the time. And they're doing Oh, look 1303 01:25:29,070 --> 01:25:36,270 at the top. The top value for value boosters, and it's I love 1304 01:25:36,270 --> 01:25:40,770 seeing this. We have investments coming into Dare I say the 1305 01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:47,400 space, the podcasting 2.0 now has investments coming into its 1306 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,800 its orbit its universe. for app developers, we have you know, 1307 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:54,390 stuff is happening. 1308 01:25:56,820 --> 01:25:59,760 And they're doing it right. Yeah. But I mean, a lot of 1309 01:26:00,630 --> 01:26:02,970 marketing. Yeah, they actually do marketing. 1310 01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:08,790 Yes. And I Oh, this is one thing that we heard from Martin. I 1311 01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:10,710 know he's he's doing other stuff, I think right. 1312 01:26:10,740 --> 01:26:12,990 I emailed him the other day. We just had a chat with him. He's 1313 01:26:12,990 --> 01:26:13,410 doing good. 1314 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,250 I'm getting this weird blue screen sometimes on pod friend. 1315 01:26:18,030 --> 01:26:21,540 And yeah, but the reason why I bring it up is because when I 1316 01:26:21,540 --> 01:26:27,840 share, okay, another way I'd like to I'd like to promote 1317 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,890 podcast is by sharing it Now honestly, I have to get my pod 1318 01:26:31,890 --> 01:26:35,940 verse install house in order, because I'm on graphene. Oh, so 1319 01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:38,640 I don't know, I have like three different things installed. I 1320 01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:43,380 don't know how that's possible, or three versions installed. It 1321 01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:45,930 could be from different app stores. I don't know. I know 1322 01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:48,900 they have a web version. But when when you have a share this 1323 01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:54,090 podcast the way pod friend does it. I just love because a little 1324 01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,940 a little play looks like a video. There's a little icon 1325 01:26:56,940 --> 01:27:01,740 that pops up and you know, little play button triangle. So 1326 01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:06,660 it's more than just a link. Yeah. It's just a suggestion. 1327 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,590 Yeah, to drive more adoption that way. But and how does pod 1328 01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:12,450 just pod verse have a little preview like that? 1329 01:27:13,230 --> 01:27:16,980 I don't know. I rarely, like share timestamps when I do not 1330 01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:19,620 even timestamp just you know, here's our new episode I just 1331 01:27:19,620 --> 01:27:24,570 want to do and I have no agenda or podcasting. 2.0 I want to 1332 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,760 tweet that out instead of the episode page. 1333 01:27:28,710 --> 01:27:32,130 I don't know man. I'm on iPhone. So I don't use pod friend on it 1334 01:27:32,130 --> 01:27:33,450 very much. Because it's, 1335 01:27:33,810 --> 01:27:36,390 it's nobody would just send you to the web version. That's my 1336 01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:39,720 point. It's just to get people in there just to show people a 1337 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,930 podcasting 2.0 experience since they're gonna click on the link 1338 01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:46,020 anyway, I might as well send them to an app or a web version 1339 01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:48,120 of the app like overcast has that you 1340 01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,760 know, same thing. Yeah. Martin's listening. I mean, I'm sure I'm 1341 01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,580 sure he can do that. I don't think he's listening. Now he is 1342 01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:54,060 he told me 1343 01:27:54,450 --> 01:27:57,060 he's not listening. Oh, this clearly he's not listening. You 1344 01:27:57,060 --> 01:28:00,180 know what? I haven't had a pod friend. Piece of merch in a 1345 01:28:00,180 --> 01:28:02,370 while so no, I'm disappointed. He's not. 1346 01:28:03,330 --> 01:28:04,170 You need a rug. 1347 01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:06,810 Rug. Or bathrobe maybe a bathroom. 1348 01:28:10,110 --> 01:28:13,290 Robe. We want to thank some people. 1349 01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:18,840 Yes, please. This is a very exciting week feels like it's 1350 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,520 been it's been great stuff. 1351 01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,910 There's so much stuff that happened this week. And Emily, a 1352 01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:25,410 third of the way through my notes. 1353 01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:29,040 I think I got to most but yeah, 1354 01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:32,820 we let's, let's thank people and then do cat and let's talk 1355 01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:35,670 quickly about cast upon afterwards. Oh, yes. Okay, good. 1356 01:28:35,670 --> 01:28:35,850 Good. 1357 01:28:35,850 --> 01:28:41,310 Good. Good. Good. Good. All right. It's all you baby. What 1358 01:28:41,310 --> 01:28:42,870 do you mean, I thought we were gonna 1359 01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:46,590 give the spiel, the spiel. This is a value for value podcast, 1360 01:28:46,590 --> 01:28:49,320 and but like you gotta do, you gotta do your thing. Oh, 1361 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,040 you have another sip of coffee. I'm like, What did I lose? I 1362 01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,030 lost the plot. Dave. 1363 01:28:55,140 --> 01:28:56,310 I tossed it to you. And 1364 01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:59,400 you know, I fumbled it. I'm so sorry. Yes, this is a value for 1365 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,920 value project. We've been talking about it throughout the 1366 01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:05,700 throughout the episode, everything runs because of the 1367 01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:09,660 value you send back to us. For its time, talent and treasure, 1368 01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,200 we got a lot of time, a lot of talent. And the treasurer, we're 1369 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:17,610 pretty happy, can always be better. We take nothing 1370 01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:21,330 personally, this is all going mainly into servers and into the 1371 01:29:21,330 --> 01:29:24,810 liquidity for the node. We're very connected that we actually 1372 01:29:24,810 --> 01:29:27,660 rank. Another thing they said we're doing another thing 1373 01:29:27,660 --> 01:29:30,660 counter intuitively, intuitively, where most people 1374 01:29:30,660 --> 01:29:33,540 want five or six really big channels on the Lightning 1375 01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:38,430 Network. We have five or 600 Really small channels. Yes, a 1376 01:29:38,430 --> 01:29:42,660 great idea. It's really amazing to see how connected this thing 1377 01:29:42,660 --> 01:29:47,730 is to all these little we're like the freedom raft in in Snow 1378 01:29:47,730 --> 01:29:52,920 Crash you know and people latch on to our rat with a with a 50 1379 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:57,570 sat 50k sat channel to their lightning node and so that they 1380 01:29:57,570 --> 01:30:00,690 kind of drifting towards freedom with us. Did you read No crash. 1381 01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:04,170 You know every time you say Snow Crash I always think Snowpiercer 1382 01:30:04,170 --> 01:30:06,900 and I have to talk myself out of it. Yeah, that's not the same 1383 01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:07,620 thing. Okay, 1384 01:30:07,650 --> 01:30:10,590 I really can't be friends with you if you don't read Snow 1385 01:30:10,590 --> 01:30:14,820 Crash. Okay friends don't let your friends not read Snow Crash 1386 01:30:15,210 --> 01:30:21,990 deal. So we so we love receiving boosts and booster grams. And 1387 01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:26,640 remember that big number may not be as helpful as you think 1388 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,660 everyone's getting better though. I like that I like that 1389 01:30:30,660 --> 01:30:36,030 a lot. We also have a Fiat fun coupon route which we appreciate 1390 01:30:36,030 --> 01:30:38,910 very much just what has been keeping us floating podcasts 1391 01:30:38,910 --> 01:30:41,580 interested or go to the bottom there's a big red donate button 1392 01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:47,010 for PayPal and other types of methods. And let's thank some of 1393 01:30:47,010 --> 01:30:49,830 the kind supporters for for this week. 1394 01:30:50,789 --> 01:30:52,709 We have 134 channels, but 1395 01:30:53,970 --> 01:30:57,450 I thought we had more than that. Really knows we 1396 01:30:57,450 --> 01:31:00,420 were 100 That's a lot. Oh my God, that's a lot. 1397 01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,280 I thought we had more than that so 1398 01:31:03,690 --> 01:31:09,240 well I already read galer mais boost earlier though, that broke 1399 01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:21,120 the world. I read that book. So it was 1000 SATs by the way like 1400 01:31:21,540 --> 01:31:23,370 the Cal a bear. I liked 1401 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:25,980 boost. Nice. 1402 01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,860 Do the impulso again I didn't hear though. 1403 01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,480 Oh I'm cool. So there we go. Yeah, impulse saw. That's 1404 01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:38,040 boosting Italian right in Spanish Spanish. I'm sorry, 1405 01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:40,170 Booth saw in Barstow. 1406 01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:42,660 I like how it's kind of gritty because sounds like the broken 1407 01:31:42,660 --> 01:31:44,340 up mic. Yeah. 1408 01:31:44,910 --> 01:31:46,440 Like like Spanish radio. 1409 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:47,370 Yeah, yeah. 1410 01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:52,860 That's a Mexican radio to be specific. 1411 01:31:54,300 --> 01:32:05,130 $20 we got from Alexander mouth, mouth boob S C H MALFU. And then 1412 01:32:05,130 --> 01:32:08,310 the, the thing that looks like a bee but it's not 1413 01:32:08,430 --> 01:32:12,570 Proust. That's it. That's a Ringle s that's pronounced this 1414 01:32:12,570 --> 01:32:13,470 two s's. 1415 01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:17,100 Oh, schmo Foose, 1416 01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:21,450 which means smaller racetrack, which means I think small foot 1417 01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,070 small. Alex has an under smell food. See what they 1418 01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:27,870 say about members, small foods. 1419 01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:33,300 He's got he's got small feet, but he's got a big wallet. He 1420 01:32:33,300 --> 01:32:37,080 goes, Yeah, he's what he lacks. He standing on his wallet. It 1421 01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:41,190 makes his feet look huge. Appreciate it. 1422 01:32:41,190 --> 01:32:48,000 Yes. We get $15 from Samuel Thorpe. And he says a little 1423 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,430 value for value. Thank you, Adam for pointing me in the right 1424 01:32:50,430 --> 01:32:54,480 direction gets to get started making a pot making my podcast 1425 01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:59,580 2.0 for his sign this fr Samuel and then he sent a follow up 1426 01:32:59,580 --> 01:33:03,030 note and he said oh, by the way. Fr is fryer. I'm a priest. 1427 01:33:03,300 --> 01:33:04,560 Oh, what's this podcast? 1428 01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:07,950 He does not say on here. 1429 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,900 Well, that's an outrage. What kind of Hey, bro marketing. 101. 1430 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:17,010 Samuel email me again? Yeah, keep it going. 1431 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:22,890 Yeah, fryer. fryer. Cool. Cool to Be Fr. Somehow. I know. I 1432 01:33:22,890 --> 01:33:25,860 wish I could have that. I'm a minister of the Universal Life 1433 01:33:25,860 --> 01:33:26,400 Church. 1434 01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:30,150 I am. That's cheating. 1435 01:33:30,959 --> 01:33:32,699 As you see, I took the test. 1436 01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:38,430 Wayne Parker from maps.fm gave us $50 You know, we haven't 1437 01:33:38,430 --> 01:33:39,510 heard from Yeah, 1438 01:33:39,540 --> 01:33:42,450 I mean, we got our geotag in there. And then he went Thanks, 1439 01:33:42,450 --> 01:33:46,890 brother. He's 20 bucks. Yeah. 50 bucks. I'm sorry. 1440 01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:50,550 Yeah. 50. Yeah, yeah, well, no way to get 1441 01:33:50,670 --> 01:33:54,720 honestly. Yeah, well, maybe this maybe he's already got stuff 1442 01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,090 implemented and we're not paying attention. We can't see 1443 01:33:57,090 --> 01:33:57,810 everything. 1444 01:33:58,410 --> 01:34:02,970 That's true. Yeah, well, yeah. Random apps pop up out of 1445 01:34:02,970 --> 01:34:09,660 nowhere in breakout. really have no idea that oh, market surfer 1446 01:34:10,230 --> 01:34:14,640 gave us $50 He says thanks again for this community and a shout 1447 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,750 out to Sir Alex and Quick Draw McGraw on the SATs. Comics. 1448 01:34:18,990 --> 01:34:24,930 McGraw. Oh, he's he says, quick, quick drama girl on the SATs 1449 01:34:24,930 --> 01:34:30,540 comic book blogger. Oh, is that a Do you think that's a typo or 1450 01:34:30,540 --> 01:34:35,910 do you think that's a deliberate insult? AutoCorrect. Comic Strip 1451 01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:40,590 blogger, sincerely, the market surfer. Thank you for the $50 1452 01:34:40,590 --> 01:34:41,250 market surfer. 1453 01:34:41,970 --> 01:34:43,020 Indeed. Yeah. 1454 01:34:44,610 --> 01:34:48,300 We got some booster grams now. Those were the papers. We got 1455 01:34:48,300 --> 01:34:54,870 some Mr. Grant. Stephen. Yes. In his 5000 SATs. He says 1456 01:34:55,140 --> 01:35:00,360 Veldt. We need to smell. Thank you because 1457 01:35:01,380 --> 01:35:06,960 he likes the svelte talk. C pod. From pod friend I'm thinking 1458 01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,890 this is Martin it is. It is actually. So this is from pod 1459 01:35:10,890 --> 01:35:17,790 friend 66,667 says, wow. And he says the neighbor of the boost 1460 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:20,820 is that a code? 1461 01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:26,280 But like the, the mark of the beast? Oh, okay. The neighbor of 1462 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:27,480 the moose. Yeah. 1463 01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,460 Thank you. Thank you, Martin. Appreciate it Mitzi. He does 1464 01:35:32,460 --> 01:35:34,770 live he's alive. I know and Liz busting 1465 01:35:34,770 --> 01:35:36,630 his chops, but I wouldn't mind the bathroom 1466 01:35:39,390 --> 01:35:45,570 Kyron for the mere mortals podcast. Fountain, he sent it 1467 01:35:45,570 --> 01:35:54,000 through town. He says one set Oh in Booth saw. He said he says 1468 01:35:54,060 --> 01:35:59,160 lol trying out the mythical one set loose bombshell? Podcasting? 1469 01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:04,620 2.0 But guessing 2.0 will be set back 100 years if Oscar starts 1470 01:36:04,620 --> 01:36:06,090 allowing microset boosts 1471 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:09,330 Yeah, and Jay I saw James Cleveland send us a one set 1472 01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:13,560 boost. Yeah, what is this but that was that was that wasn't by 1473 01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:18,360 accident. That was just the value he put in. I'll give them 1474 01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,750 one. She won SATs whatever that is. 1475 01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:25,020 No, he's gonna be way more insulted by that horrible 1476 01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:30,270 accident then it would be about anything else. Gas peatland gas 1477 01:36:30,270 --> 01:36:34,950 Pelland gave us 3300 sets through fountain he says What a 1478 01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:36,150 show thanks. 1479 01:36:36,270 --> 01:36:39,180 Oh my gosh pay loans. 1480 01:36:40,350 --> 01:36:43,620 Pay look now you're saying it different than I'm says Cast 1481 01:36:43,650 --> 01:36:45,330 cast pay long is it? 1482 01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:50,790 Yeah, but you know, knowing costs. You probably would like 1483 01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:51,900 your pronunciation better. 1484 01:36:52,350 --> 01:36:56,970 The land. Yeah, much better. From horn loaded 1485 01:36:56,999 --> 01:37:01,499 cost. I call them cost cheese case. Sorry. Case. It's k E S 1486 01:37:01,499 --> 01:37:07,079 right? Okay, a he is cost paydayloans cheese head okay. 1487 01:37:07,529 --> 01:37:12,419 Cheese. Oh my gosh. It must be a pseudonym. 1488 01:37:13,710 --> 01:37:17,160 Oh, so like the whisk if you're with Wisconsin you're a cheese 1489 01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,500 head so that's kind of the definitely 1490 01:37:20,250 --> 01:37:23,490 okay gospel is what they say in Holland cheese had Costco 1491 01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:31,320 Costco horn loaded says 3330 sets through fountain wow he 1492 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,200 says value for value sir Doug 1493 01:37:34,230 --> 01:37:35,070 Thank you sir. Doug. 1494 01:37:35,790 --> 01:37:41,130 Thank you, sir. Oh, now here's a follow up from I did want to 1495 01:37:41,130 --> 01:37:45,030 mention you know for these booster grams to a lot of I'm 1496 01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:50,490 not sure which apps what they send your username which is I 1497 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,640 Kristen could be a bit of a security risk I'm just I'm just 1498 01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,510 letting people know so if you if you put your your real name 1499 01:37:57,510 --> 01:38:00,690 whatever alias you want right up front or something? If you don't 1500 01:38:00,690 --> 01:38:04,320 want us to use that and also like horn loaded I mean, you 1501 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,780 know this could be the guy's like Pornhub log in and we're 1502 01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:09,840 just saying on every single show and it's supposed to be served 1503 01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:10,680 dog you know 1504 01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:15,840 ready to go for when for when only fans goes value for values. 1505 01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:23,160 Mere Mortals podcast Karen down. He gave us 100 sets and he says 1506 01:38:23,460 --> 01:38:28,260 tried it at 110 And now 100 says for a laugh looks like Oscar fix 1507 01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:31,290 those mini boosts if the other if those other two didn't come 1508 01:38:31,290 --> 01:38:37,110 through? Nope. They came through buddy. Thank you, Carrie. See, 1509 01:38:37,650 --> 01:38:40,110 oh, here's a mirror more here's a car and make doing a doing a 1510 01:38:40,350 --> 01:38:46,170 data flow through here we get 771 71 sat down and he says, 1511 01:38:46,620 --> 01:38:49,410 well you're making moves with the onboarding. Love to hear it. 1512 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:53,070 plenty of ways to get SATs here in Australia but all involve 1513 01:38:53,070 --> 01:38:54,510 annoying KYC 1514 01:38:54,630 --> 01:38:57,270 I think you're going to be stuck with that you could mine Hey, I 1515 01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:59,610 almost have 100,000 Satoshis. 1516 01:39:00,210 --> 01:39:03,570 Really? Yes, that's pretty good. 1517 01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,510 When like double time Well, it's been really interesting. And you 1518 01:39:06,510 --> 01:39:11,970 know, the mempool has been empty a bit lately. And and so my hash 1519 01:39:11,970 --> 01:39:17,460 rate is gone to like sometimes peaks at 13 Tera. Hash and and 1520 01:39:17,460 --> 01:39:20,940 the luck factor of slush pool which is what I what I'm using 1521 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:26,610 has often been 140 150% for the most recent 10 blocks or even 1522 01:39:26,850 --> 01:39:27,990 200 blocks. 1523 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,800 I love slush pool they were always my mining pool and they I 1524 01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,380 just like their setup and the way they seem like really 1525 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:35,520 upstanding dudes 1526 01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:39,630 Yeah, I mean I'm I'm literally even at these prices printing 1527 01:39:39,630 --> 01:39:40,080 money. 1528 01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:46,560 Yeah, so good. You just run a miner Karen Yeah, I don't know 1529 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,620 what the I don't know what the electricity costs are in 1530 01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:52,170 Australia. But I mean, you would think they would be 1531 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,730 yeah these days if you if you're paying. Of course I'm not sure. 1532 01:39:57,060 --> 01:39:59,700 I don't want it isn't dollar reduced. But I think if you even 1533 01:39:59,700 --> 01:40:04,680 attend 10 cents a kilowatt hour with all the regulatory fees and 1534 01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,560 all that shit on top. I you still profitable? 1535 01:40:08,490 --> 01:40:12,180 Yeah, well there you go with another tip. 1536 01:40:12,930 --> 01:40:16,020 But okay, but who cares? I mean so who gives a shit even if 1537 01:40:16,020 --> 01:40:19,320 you're not profitable? You got your Satoshis Yeah, they're 1538 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,110 there yes like buying them one for one almost. 1539 01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:25,470 Hey, I was wondering if you could give a mini run through 1540 01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:28,110 some time of the equipment needed and processes to use 1541 01:40:28,110 --> 01:40:31,740 Hello Pat sort of the basics rules of thumb Best Practices 1542 01:40:31,740 --> 01:40:36,090 etc I'm at the point where I'll take the node plunge in. If near 1543 01:40:36,090 --> 01:40:39,750 zero coding skill is required. I would say it is zero coding 1544 01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:41,520 skill. Yeah, I 1545 01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,690 installed it on I had a Surface Pro six I was going to use for 1546 01:40:45,690 --> 01:40:48,690 something else now. I love installing Linux on it and I 1547 01:40:48,690 --> 01:40:55,320 just put Ubuntu on it. Although I'm a Linux Mint guy. And I was 1548 01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:59,820 really simple to install and it just in yet I have a external 1549 01:40:59,820 --> 01:41:06,120 terabyte hard drive connected through USB C I guess. Um, and 1550 01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:06,960 it just works. 1551 01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:11,040 Is it Bitcoin machines? Calm Is that Yeah, and 1552 01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,860 I have mine still on order. I mean, I know people ordered 1553 01:41:13,860 --> 01:41:17,880 around the same time the order received it. I've a feeling I 1554 01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,460 thought let me just get the orange one even though I don't 1555 01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,520 orange is not my color or anything but I thought Bitcoin 1556 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,310 be fun to have and just have this orange thing sitting in my 1557 01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:29,610 server, my server rack. I think I've seen a lot of people when 1558 01:41:29,610 --> 01:41:31,890 got the orange one is literally 1559 01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:32,700 taking longer, 1560 01:41:32,970 --> 01:41:34,470 like oh, yeah, I want to orange one. 1561 01:41:35,310 --> 01:41:40,830 I can't see it here. This is the Bitcoin machines.com Yeah, I 1562 01:41:40,830 --> 01:41:42,690 think that that's where you ordered yours. Right? 1563 01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:47,970 Yes. And yes. And you know, and the Umbra I really I love the 1564 01:41:47,970 --> 01:41:54,150 Umbral concept. It's very comfortable to use, and you 1565 01:41:54,150 --> 01:41:56,730 know, the App Store. I think that's where this is going to be 1566 01:41:56,730 --> 01:42:02,100 a very, very exciting platform for a lot of things. I love the 1567 01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:05,670 open the next cloud, which I already have in my life, but I 1568 01:42:05,670 --> 01:42:09,360 just, you know, set up an install install the app from you 1569 01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,810 know, it was easy, and because it's over Tor you know, you 1570 01:42:12,810 --> 01:42:15,210 don't have to, people have to mess with shit. 1571 01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:21,450 Now, now the, if you if you buy one of these the premade one 1572 01:42:21,450 --> 01:42:25,290 they're like, they're like 400 bucks. 400 bucks. Yeah, but if 1573 01:42:25,290 --> 01:42:28,320 you if you just want to roll your own, just get an old laptop 1574 01:42:28,350 --> 01:42:31,590 with a band put stick a big hard drive in it or Yeah, and 1575 01:42:31,589 --> 01:42:34,559 I would do that way before you mess with the Raspberry Pi 1576 01:42:34,559 --> 01:42:38,399 unless you're comfortable with command line and and you got you 1577 01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:41,969 got that little Mini and Mini HDMI so you can connect a 1578 01:42:41,969 --> 01:42:45,239 monitor when it boots up headless, which no one ever has, 1579 01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:45,839 of course. 1580 01:42:46,619 --> 01:42:49,619 I totally agree at that thing. I think grabbing an old laptop or 1581 01:42:49,619 --> 01:42:54,509 something is the way to go or a desktop. Yep. Yep. So we got 1582 01:42:54,509 --> 01:42:58,529 Nomad Joe gave us 500 SATs. And he says by the dip. 1583 01:43:00,060 --> 01:43:02,250 Well, you gave us you gave us some stats. That's the same 1584 01:43:02,250 --> 01:43:05,610 thing. We appreciate it. And it's called boosting the dip. 1585 01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:09,690 That's right, boosted it McCarron. You install the 1586 01:43:09,690 --> 01:43:12,120 umbrella and then you just go to the app the Umbral App Store and 1587 01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,570 install Hello, Pat. Hello, Pat part is is super simple. It's 1588 01:43:15,570 --> 01:43:17,700 not it's not hard at all. There's no code involved in any 1589 01:43:17,700 --> 01:43:24,030 of this. Cool, McCormick gave us three 333 sets. He says I'm all 1590 01:43:24,030 --> 01:43:26,970 in on podcasting 2.0 and Bitcoin better systems for money and 1591 01:43:26,970 --> 01:43:28,080 engaging with content. 1592 01:43:29,190 --> 01:43:30,480 And welcome thank you. 1593 01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:35,640 Be mozzie brown mozzie gave us 2222 Row ducks. 1594 01:43:35,670 --> 01:43:38,370 Oh, I was waiting for the ducks thank goodness 1595 01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:46,440 and he says overcast boost, but I don't know what he means. 1596 01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:52,260 Overcast, boost. Overcast. Maybe he's just looking. Maybe trying 1597 01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:59,130 to send signals. Back again, me mozzie gives 10,000 SATs and he 1598 01:43:59,130 --> 01:44:09,810 says Don't just stand there most boosters they're up here's 1599 01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:19,320 Karen's 10 sat boost testing says same same message we got it 1600 01:44:19,380 --> 01:44:26,700 caring about never misses a boost clearly. Oh this name oh 1601 01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:36,120 my goodness. Let's see did the cat the cat crab cropped Dick 1602 01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:37,830 gruelling van de trop 1603 01:44:38,670 --> 01:44:43,290 to got crab the cola from the drop crotch. Yes, there was the 1604 01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:44,910 the cut cut was the third word. 1605 01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:53,940 Kr abt Yeah. D Yeah in a o l e n k r u ll e n. 1606 01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:01,260 O the cat is scratching the curls of the bear the banister 1607 01:45:02,130 --> 01:45:05,580 then the trap. Yeah, the A and D of the 1608 01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:11,220 stairs. It's what Yeah, it's a it's a Dutch saying that I 1609 01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:15,030 honestly I can't explain what it means. 1610 01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:18,480 It says that was the Dutch pronunciation lesson for today. 1611 01:45:18,990 --> 01:45:22,110 Okay, and that's 14,888 sets. 1612 01:45:22,350 --> 01:45:25,080 Second dicots corrupt 1613 01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:30,900 de Crillon the curling London trap when 1614 01:45:31,410 --> 01:45:35,790 I've heard this saying but I really don't know what it means. 1615 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:45,750 Is a cat scratch in the stairs? Yeah. And so is this basis what 1616 01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:46,710 happens when 1617 01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:52,380 I you know what I think this is? Okay. It worked. It's really 1618 01:45:52,380 --> 01:45:56,580 just a tongue twister. It's an old school Dutch tongue twister. 1619 01:45:57,570 --> 01:46:02,010 A kind of like She sells seashells by the seashore. Okay. 1620 01:46:02,220 --> 01:46:05,640 The crowds interest. Okay, so if you say it fast, the cut cut up 1621 01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,400 the crew from the from the truck. Yeah, 1622 01:46:08,430 --> 01:46:10,050 it's hard to say fast. Alright. 1623 01:46:10,079 --> 01:46:13,349 Hey, you know, that was how many how many sites? Was that boost? 1624 01:46:13,589 --> 01:46:14,999 14,888 1625 01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:18,360 Okay, worth the time. Thank you. Yeah, that was great. You waste 1626 01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:22,800 our time. Anytime like that. Good value. Good value. Good 1627 01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:23,640 value. Thank you. 1628 01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,690 That was from Hank. Hank dev Reese kissed 1629 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:34,170 Hank Hank the freezer. Okay. Okay. Man, you just put it yeah, 1630 01:46:34,170 --> 01:46:38,280 now they're just doing stuff like hey, this is Ben Dover. 1631 01:46:38,460 --> 01:46:42,420 Yeah, it's like trying to get let's let's get the this the 1632 01:46:42,420 --> 01:46:46,050 southerner from Alabama to try to pronounce this crazy stuff. I 1633 01:46:46,050 --> 01:46:53,220 see. I see what's going on. Oh, Oscar marry 770 7777 1634 01:46:53,610 --> 01:46:56,190 Oh, hold on. Is that the big baller for this week? 1635 01:46:57,330 --> 01:47:01,980 Yes, it is. Shot Carla 20 Blaze 1636 01:47:08,490 --> 01:47:09,270 Whoa 1637 01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:13,920 that's the Ride the Lightning boosts baby nice i like that. 1638 01:47:13,950 --> 01:47:16,620 Yeah, that's that's for special occasions 1639 01:47:18,060 --> 01:47:21,150 boosting the dip once that booster annoying to read but 1640 01:47:21,150 --> 01:47:24,360 still cool. You can just send one Yeah, but we don't recommend 1641 01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:30,390 it. Thank you Oscar. Appreciate it buddy. The the monkey back 1642 01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:33,660 again. 5000 SATs through fountain he says again Don't 1643 01:47:33,660 --> 01:47:40,650 just stand there boost boost everything everywhere up this 1644 01:47:40,650 --> 01:47:48,390 Gary aren't he sends a row since 4444 sets. He says podcasting 1645 01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:51,450 2.0 Is the podcast always listened to first when it is in 1646 01:47:51,450 --> 01:47:54,990 my queue learn something new every day Gary aren't? Well 1647 01:47:54,990 --> 01:47:58,170 there you go these promoting his own show. He says something new 1648 01:47:58,170 --> 01:47:59,070 learn something new every day. 1649 01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:01,590 Ah, cool. Excellent. 1650 01:48:02,610 --> 01:48:05,670 That's all my short list. Now it took me a while to warm up to it 1651 01:48:05,670 --> 01:48:09,300 because I don't. I'm not really a daily podcast kind of guy. 1652 01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:14,580 But, but it's now I now listen to that show every single day. 1653 01:48:14,610 --> 01:48:18,390 And it's really good in that it helped me psychologically 1654 01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:21,090 knowing that he has an unreal now and every time and when I 1655 01:48:21,090 --> 01:48:24,120 boost him he can see what I'm saying. Like, I know there's a 1656 01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:27,990 feedback loop now. So oh, it makes me want to listen to the 1657 01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:32,100 show so that I can give him you know, my pithy and witty 1658 01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:40,770 statements. Arrow statica in the corner of Musa Graham since 2376 1659 01:48:40,770 --> 01:48:44,100 SATs and he says through fountain he says true pepper 1660 01:48:44,130 --> 01:48:46,470 true preppers stockpile podcasts 1661 01:48:49,410 --> 01:48:52,440 Well, the the umbrella is going to become the the prepping 1662 01:48:52,440 --> 01:48:56,910 device of preference. I can guarantee you that your own 1663 01:48:56,910 --> 01:49:00,720 bank. Mm hmm. And well or maybe it's just maybe it's your Adam 1664 01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:04,410 curry pod father signature all in one podcasting universe, 1665 01:49:04,410 --> 01:49:09,240 which includes Umbral includes hosting includes, you know, 1666 01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,010 white labeled apps 1667 01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:14,490 MK Ultra and hot pink so that you can go live at any time 1668 01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:20,850 comes with Casta pod. Yep, Casta pod should be on Umbral. Yes End 1669 01:49:20,850 --> 01:49:27,450 of story. Just containerize that that mofo put it into Umbral and 1670 01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:32,070 have a way for me to FTP my file out to somewhere else. They'll 1671 01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:36,720 be gone done and done and gone. Period. 1672 01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:42,180 Scott gave us 20,420 SATs through fountain he says the 1673 01:49:42,180 --> 01:49:45,720 rest of the resurrection of cannabis be calm is coming along 1674 01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:50,130 well. Is there anyone out there with a TLDR for podcasting 2.0 1675 01:49:50,130 --> 01:49:53,520 using WordPress blueberry hosting, and their PowerPress 1676 01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:57,270 plugin. If anyone is using this setup, let's connect email me at 1677 01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:58,410 Scott at cannabis 1678 01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,250 be.com Cannabis that is singular, B, 1679 01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:06,750 C A N N A bis be 1680 01:50:06,780 --> 01:50:12,660 cannabis bebes B. All right. Yes. Excellent. Yeah. Right, 1681 01:50:12,690 --> 01:50:15,000 right on right on someone's 1682 01:50:17,250 --> 01:50:21,060 aerostatic back again with 2376. And he says go podcasting. 1683 01:50:21,540 --> 01:50:25,470 Oh, yeah, man, thank you very much. We'd like to go go podcast 1684 01:50:29,850 --> 01:50:34,830 aerostatic again with 2376 and he says, Wait, are we talking 1685 01:50:34,830 --> 01:50:45,240 about booster poops now? Yes. Boost. Boost. Boost. James 1686 01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,910 Krillin one sat. big spender. 1687 01:50:47,940 --> 01:50:49,740 Hey, big spender. 1688 01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:55,620 Yes? Are you James How you doing booster? Thanks, is sending just 1689 01:50:55,620 --> 01:50:58,920 one sad thing now. Cool. I'm down with this. Yeah, but you 1690 01:50:58,920 --> 01:50:59,100 are 1691 01:51:01,230 --> 01:51:06,480 always a Brit. You can pretend with this fancy Australian 1692 01:51:06,510 --> 01:51:07,920 passport. We are on to you. 1693 01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:11,430 If you walk into the pub and offer one set, they just let you 1694 01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:13,140 smell a beer. You can't even drink. 1695 01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:14,640 I think they would kick you out. 1696 01:51:15,089 --> 01:51:18,959 Yeah, they wouldn't. That's an insult. Comic Strip blogger. Uh 1697 01:51:18,959 --> 01:51:20,969 huh. He right. You're right. He's the delimiter. This is the 1698 01:51:20,969 --> 01:51:26,939 last one in this. In 1000, the 33 says through pot friend and 1699 01:51:26,939 --> 01:51:30,329 he says greetings to Dave J. And Adam C. Thank you for your 1700 01:51:30,329 --> 01:51:33,209 service to podcasting. And you're invited to listen to our 1701 01:51:33,209 --> 01:51:36,929 podcast about artificial intelligence and titled AI 1702 01:51:36,989 --> 01:51:40,799 cooking. Read by former BBC actor Gregory William Forsythe 1703 01:51:40,799 --> 01:51:42,389 Foreman from Kent yo. 1704 01:51:43,710 --> 01:51:47,550 So he he's got a whole marketing campaign. And so he does that 1705 01:51:47,550 --> 01:51:50,970 with curry in the keepers. Same thing again, same delimiter for 1706 01:51:50,970 --> 01:51:54,840 us. You do it. It's fair. And but it's also it's very nice 1707 01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:58,410 language. We invite you, we invite you to listen to our 1708 01:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,650 podcast, let's pay that's value for value right there. 1709 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,430 It's just you've been invited. It's like, boy, 1710 01:52:05,670 --> 01:52:08,790 any and it's just the right amount that we don't feel bad 1711 01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:11,070 about and just the right amount of words that we don't feel bad 1712 01:52:11,070 --> 01:52:13,380 about reading it every single time. If it was less, I'd be 1713 01:52:13,380 --> 01:52:14,670 like, skip around. 1714 01:52:15,180 --> 01:52:17,850 The only problem with this technique, though, is that 1715 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,120 everybody knows that vampires can't actually enter your home 1716 01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:25,920 unless you invite them. If you spread this out globally, across 1717 01:52:25,950 --> 01:52:29,310 all the podcast apps, you're just looking for trouble. You've 1718 01:52:29,310 --> 01:52:35,280 completely screwed yourself. Yes. mclees. Thomas Sullivan, 1719 01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:44,460 Jr. $5. Michael Gagan $5 Charles current $5 Sean McCune $20 James 1720 01:52:44,460 --> 01:52:50,130 Sullivan $10 Caught corn got blood. Blood back. 1721 01:52:51,540 --> 01:52:53,280 How do you spell that? Hi, spell that last name. 1722 01:52:53,430 --> 01:53:01,740 I did this last week. Okay. Oh, en. And then gl OTZV. Ach. Yeah. 1723 01:53:02,130 --> 01:53:08,430 Cool. Cool. Cool. And then God bless back. 1724 01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:13,530 I guess. Okay. I don't know this one. That's not That's not 1725 01:53:13,530 --> 01:53:15,450 Dutch. That's maybe Scandinavian. 1726 01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:19,290 He gave us five bucks. Thank you. Yeah, he's from I think 1727 01:53:19,470 --> 01:53:26,010 he's from Anthony bod. Pod news. dotnet. Hey, 50 bucks. Oh, Jane. 1728 01:53:26,039 --> 01:53:27,809 Okay, that makes up for the SAT. 1729 01:53:29,970 --> 01:53:36,810 James? Thanks, James. Jordan dunville $10 Stu coats $6.66 The 1730 01:53:36,810 --> 01:53:42,090 monthly dose of evil. Yes, strips got 15 bucks. Thanks, Dr. 1731 01:53:42,090 --> 01:53:49,500 Michael. Michael Kimmer $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Lesley Martin $2 1732 01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:55,290 Aaron Renaud $5 and Pedro gone calvus $5 That's our monthly 1733 01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:56,910 excellent everybody 1734 01:53:56,940 --> 01:54:01,890 thank you all so much. Remember to put the podcasting 2.0 1735 01:54:01,890 --> 01:54:06,780 project in your will along with your passwords 1736 01:54:07,410 --> 01:54:15,150 yes no sorry. cast upon 1737 01:54:15,300 --> 01:54:16,440 yes cast apod 1738 01:54:17,100 --> 01:54:22,740 cast bot is awesome and it's now in beta and I for for the show 1739 01:54:22,740 --> 01:54:25,740 see me for the slide deck that I prepared for the dismiss the 1740 01:54:25,740 --> 01:54:29,520 defense thing I had created a dummy shows that I could walk 1741 01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,620 them through how to set everything up you know, yeah. 1742 01:54:31,980 --> 01:54:38,460 And I created the dummy show on cast upon and it is fantastic. 1743 01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:42,750 It's really really good. Like all the bugs that we had during 1744 01:54:42,750 --> 01:54:44,940 the Alpha stuff I don't they're all gone 1745 01:54:44,970 --> 01:54:46,020 does it do import? 1746 01:54:47,220 --> 01:54:51,090 I haven't tried to import I just created a fake was like during 1747 01:54:51,090 --> 01:54:53,400 the during the Alpha couldn't even create a new show. 1748 01:54:53,459 --> 01:54:57,209 It was this is this is why we we never adopted it because we 1749 01:54:57,209 --> 01:54:59,219 couldn't do an import of the existing FIA. 1750 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,720 But I don't know about import yet. But if it's the quality of 1751 01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:07,440 the same as of the rest of it, then I'm assuming it worse 1752 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:08,010 because it's, 1753 01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:11,460 I can't wait. Fantastic. But I but I, what I really, really, 1754 01:55:11,460 --> 01:55:15,480 really would love is if it were on Umbral. Is that possible, 1755 01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:18,540 because I know you have to do cPanel or some stuff like that. 1756 01:55:18,540 --> 01:55:19,200 I mean, it's 1757 01:55:19,260 --> 01:55:22,860 no, no, it's very doable, because it's just a PHP app. And 1758 01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:26,070 then there's, there's Docker based images for PHP all over 1759 01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:28,230 the place. Now, it's very doable. So 1760 01:55:28,230 --> 01:55:32,070 could I run it? Can I just install it easily? I look, I 1761 01:55:32,070 --> 01:55:36,210 look, I saw setup document and I saw like, SQL database, I'm 1762 01:55:36,210 --> 01:55:36,900 like, nope. 1763 01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:41,190 Yeah, well, that was a good call, but that they, you know, 1764 01:55:41,220 --> 01:55:44,130 as far as putting it in an Umbral Docker, though that's 1765 01:55:44,130 --> 01:55:49,740 very easy to do. I would think I mean, so the the cool the best 1766 01:55:49,740 --> 01:55:55,620 thing about Casta pod is that it it's like activity Pub is like a 1767 01:55:55,620 --> 01:55:56,880 first class citizen 1768 01:55:56,940 --> 01:56:00,030 inside of it Yes, I know this is this is all the stuff that I 1769 01:56:00,030 --> 01:56:03,870 love and I know that this has been there you know the this is 1770 01:56:03,870 --> 01:56:09,450 in fact proof proof to socialism work sometimes 1771 01:56:09,870 --> 01:56:15,180 sometimes like to qualify this is proof absolute proof 1772 01:56:15,930 --> 01:56:18,420 undeniable that socialism worse sometimes maybe 1773 01:56:18,449 --> 01:56:21,299 yeah, no. So here it is socialism is socialism at work 1774 01:56:21,299 --> 01:56:27,719 the community of I looked it up even NL net is is sponsored and 1775 01:56:27,719 --> 01:56:30,839 no matter good people from Holland, you know, a bunch of 1776 01:56:30,839 --> 01:56:35,519 commies, but I'm just kidding. These these are very appropriate 1777 01:56:35,549 --> 01:56:37,499 appropriate organizations. And 1778 01:56:37,740 --> 01:56:40,140 it's I love socialism. I just don't want to eat their food. 1779 01:56:41,340 --> 01:56:48,990 Steak sucks. Yeah. Okay, congratulations, Benjamin and 1780 01:56:48,990 --> 01:56:52,110 and team I should say, even Benjamin's daughter who's been 1781 01:56:52,110 --> 01:56:56,460 touching into integral part of, of the development process. You 1782 01:56:56,460 --> 01:57:00,690 know, you her feed is for her poetry. I think it is. Story 1783 01:57:00,690 --> 01:57:01,320 poetry. 1784 01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:05,130 Mm. Yeah. Her podcast he uses that as a test Yeah, all the 1785 01:57:05,130 --> 01:57:09,180 time. Yeah, yeah. Band in your scene. Yeah, Congrats, man. 1786 01:57:09,180 --> 01:57:12,780 Y'all. This is a fantastic product. It really is. 1787 01:57:12,810 --> 01:57:16,170 You get an umbrella and I can open the universe for you. 1788 01:57:17,190 --> 01:57:20,580 Yeah, well, I gotta get back to work man. So we 1789 01:57:20,820 --> 01:57:23,850 saw I was having a good time I was just chatting like I like 1790 01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:28,560 this is nice when Dave doesn't work it's cool. Don't worry. All 1791 01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,840 right, brother. Anything else anything you need from me for 1792 01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:32,100 this for this weekend? 1793 01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:35,250 No, I'm good. I'm good. I got a lot of reading to do get to 1794 01:57:35,250 --> 01:57:37,890 catch up with was with non hella bad things. 1795 01:57:38,490 --> 01:57:41,790 yowzers All right, everybody. That concludes the board meeting 1796 01:57:41,790 --> 01:57:44,820 for podcasting 2.0 For this week, looking forward to seeing 1797 01:57:44,820 --> 01:57:47,940 everybody back next week and of course on podcast index dot 1798 01:57:47,940 --> 01:57:49,860 social sign up it's free. 1799 01:58:05,220 --> 01:58:09,780 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast. 1800 01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:12,360 For more information.