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podcasting 2.0 for January
21 2022, episode number 70

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testing the TAM. end of the week
once again, hello developers,

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users, accusers. Welcome to the
official board meeting of

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podcasting 2.0, where we discuss
everything that happened the

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past week in podcasting to point
out the podcast namespace and of

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course, we're all the genius
oozes podcast index dot social.

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I'm Adam curry here in the heart
of the Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama, the man who has an
endpoint for everyone, my friend

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on the other end, ladies and
gentlemen, Mr. J.

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Jones. Developers.

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Hello, developers.

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It is freezing ass cold in
Birmingham, Alabama.

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What do you have there?

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20 It was 25 this morning. It's
up to 28 now

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Yeah, I don't think we have much
better in Texas all of a sudden

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that came in what do we have?
Yeah, we got 27 here.

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It's gonna be it's gonna be like
this all week. Yeah, not normal.

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You know, the part that's that
really sucks is I have my whole

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house generator sitting in my
driveway on top of the crate,

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waiting for the guys to install
it. You know, I'm very concerned

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about the timing of this.

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That's what I thought you're
gonna say is in true prep,

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professionalism, gamma
generators. Also w power won't

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go out.

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Thank you, Dave. That's what I
wanted to say. Yes, obviously, I

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ordered this thing three months
ago, it's been a bitch. Just

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getting it here.

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I've got a year of freeze dried
food in the garage and we won't

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have a pandemic.

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Now, that actually, I would read
this great article, which is

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called Oh, it was it categorized
people like me, which I

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identified with it as Doomer was
it no Doom or optimists?

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That is what that is exactly
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write. It's what I thought,
like, oh, yeah, this makes a lot

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of sense. identify with this, I
gotta send you this article.

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And, and what it says is, you
know, you know, Americans kind

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of Americans, by definition are
pretty good. preppers just

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because of the pioneering nature
and our history. But, you know,

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the people who are prepping with
ham radios in bunkers, with the

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stored food, and that that's
really not the type of

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preparation you want to do. You
know, you need to know where the

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local farmers are, you know, who
are your neighbors? Really? You

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need to understand self defense.
I mean, all of these, like,

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getting a dog. I mean, these
are, these are the things that

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you really might need. Yeah, I

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got all that covered. I mean,
you get I got the Oh, you got

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Texas slim. And I've been Yeah,

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I got Yeah. KMC ranchers, I got
everybody's all set up. The last

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bit is the electricity. No, and
I've been I've been looking at

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you know, I believe in
electricity, you know, just DC

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current that you can power stuff
with and you know, it's like,

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but the battery technology for
any type of charging scenario

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that will last for more than an
hour really is inherently

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prohibitive, and it's just a
pain in the ass. And I've been

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looking at, you know, old
fashioned batteries, basically a

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water tower. You know, we have a
little a little solar array that

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shoots water up into the tower,
and then you use the water

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pressure as new as needed to
drive a turbine that can power

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your house. I've never heard of
this. But I mean, you've heard

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of hydropower.

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Yeah, so this so you're you're
pushing the the solar array

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Yeah, put the makes enough juice
to push the water up into the

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tower? It goes

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into it trickles it. Yeah,
exactly trickles it up there.

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And it comes back down gravity
feeds turn the turbine.

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So you basically have a battery.
You're storing energy.

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It's a mechanical battery. Yes.
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this is the kind of stuff that
I'm in this the other way is

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have you ever seen those
beautiful windmills? The it's

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called the air aero motor. It's
kind of the aluminum look that

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you see on farmlands all over
the country with a weather vane

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yeah with the weather. So that's
another way you can pump the

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water up into the tower.

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How much did the like what are
those set you back like that?

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That thing? Is that like 100
grand or is it Oh no.

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What one of the one of those air
motors? Yeah, yeah, this thing?

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Oh, no, I priced that. And I
think it's a couple grand. Let

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me see if that you know, it
depends on how big you want it

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to be. Yeah, but they're
everywhere. I'd have to look at

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it. Air air motor or some crap
like that has a weird here. Air

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it was resolved in New Mexico
that they tend they seem to be a

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lot of those in New Mexico.
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a couple years ago. There's no
wind here in Alabama. That's

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available. Like dependability,
sir.

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Oh, well, we got plenty of wind
out here. Let me see order

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yours. Okay, let me just take
just since we're since we're

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doing it, let me see if I can
find a price for you. Yeah.

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Yeah, complete windmill 3700

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Oh, that's not bad. And then of
course, only what a what a solar

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array with set up.

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And then you have then of
course, you can go crazy with

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your tower, how high you want
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the Alabama Power our power
company has they've, they've

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made sure that none of these
schemes actually work because

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they charge they charge you a
surcharge.

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Yeah, that's what California is
doing now. Yeah, it used to be

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you could sell your energy back
to the grid. Now they're taxing

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people because they have too
much energy.

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That's the way it is here.

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What a scam they really scammed
everybody on that is horrible.

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Or it's the same scam as the
electric cars, you know, ever

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get everybody to go electric car
for years and years and years.

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And then, and then all of a
sudden, shocker. You realize

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you're not getting enough tax
revenue from gasoline. So

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let's tax the EVS tax levy,
shocker. Hey, man, why did you

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guys just print it? It seems to
be so much easier. And it's

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working so well. It's working.
So, you know, there's two things

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I want to talk about, first of
all, just the realization, I had

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it just the other day that when
I was in the 70s, like earlier,

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like 7172, I remember my parents
talking about inflation. But

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they didn't talk about it the
way we talk about it today. So

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today, we say Oh, it's 7%
inflation beef is more

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expensive. And you know, and the
beef is doubled and gas is

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expensive. And you know, it's
based on the consumer price

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index. But, but that's what we
consider inflation is consumer

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prices going up. But back in the
day, this was after, you know,

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of course, we were 40 years or
50 years into the Federal

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Reserve Act. And, and the idea
that we were off the gold

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standard. And inflation
literally meant that the Federal

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Reserve and the Treasury would
be creating about 2% More money

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every year. That's what that's
what it meant. And everyone

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understood that. And everyone
was always concerned about

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inflation, not concerned about
the prices rising, because that

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would be the actual effect of
inflating the money supply,

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inflation. And somewhere along
the lines, we got psi opt into

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believing it's something else.
And then you look at the money

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supply of the US dollar 40% was
created in the last 18 months.

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Yeah, yeah, it's so you know,
people don't I don't think a lot

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of people stop to think about
what inflation does. And there's

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a lot of good information about
this within the Austrian world

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is what inflation what inflation
has, is not simply rate rising

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prices because of a glut of
money. That's, that's just the

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technical. Like, that's how it
happens. That's the mechanism.

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But then the effect it has is
devastating on on on an economy

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and on a at a personal level
level. Yeah. Cuz what happens is

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you it for when you have
inflation that outpaces savings

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in any way or wage increases
wages. Yeah, it forces each

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person to take more risk in
order to get in order to keep

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pace. Yeah, because you know,
you have to save, but you can't

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just simply save you have to
save in ever increasingly risky

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ways.

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Yeah, like so you can crypto.
That's where we're at now.

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You got, you know, a 88 year old
grandmas who are having to do or

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having to watch the stock
market. Yeah. And that's because

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of inflation. I mean, Grandma
should not have to worry about

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the stock market, she should be
able to just have put her money

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in the bank for all these years
and have something just to

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retire.

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Yeah, remember certificate of
deposit? Yeah, those.

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Those are cute. But

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But that, of course, is the
follow on effect from cheap

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money, etc. And then you know,
that cheap money pushing up

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stocks, and then you what you're
seeing now is you're seeing that

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start to unwind, because the
system is in trouble anyway. So

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I just wanted to point out that
it's good for everybody, I

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think, to think from time to
time about what inflation really

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means and not just, you know,
this, what it results in,

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but the smartest people in the
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And the other one was this, the
news about Netflix and I think

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that will affect podcasting to a
significant degree. So I want to

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bring a get hammered the other
day their stock was down like

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20% Yeah.

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24 this morning. Oh my gosh. And
the reason is, they poured

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billions of dollars. I think it
might have been 5020 or $25

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billion last year into content.
And they had of course they had

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hits Bridger Too many hits
there. As I've always said, when

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you have a network, you're in a
hits based business, you got to

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have a lot of poop for people to
kind of blow through until you

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get your next hit. This is what
it is. I've run networks, it's

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very hard to do this in their
prospectus, poop poop. Oh, yeah,

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no, we have this just right
there, it says one of our risk

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is we will have to make some
poopoo or, or buy poop.

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Now, there's plenty of poop on
Netflix that scrolled it. But

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what did

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what didn't carry over is the
increase in users into this into

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this first quarter from last
quarter. And of course, you

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know, part of this has to do
with people thinking differently

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about their lives in general,
but you know, maybe not having

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as much home time, etc. But it
really freaked the market out.

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And what you'll hear everyone
talk about is the TAM. Ta M, and

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the TAM is the total addressable
market. And so, so they're

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looking at the entire market for
people who are interested in

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streaming services, and it looks
saturated. It looks like okay,

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you know, and, you know, we'll
see what the fallout will be

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from that, because some
companies will not give a shit

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at all. But you know, I think
Disney is also banking on it.

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You know, Disney has less poop,
you know, they have evergreen

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poop, which the kids love, you
know, everyone loves and you

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know, and they do have some some
massive franchises. But I think

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what this will result in is far
less podcast deals to try and

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you know, this is the business
model of networks and the hits

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business, is you sign a whole
bunch of shows, and then you

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find the one hit and it's going
to end you're going to turn it

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into a TV show. I think these
days may be numbered.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's
completely rational at that

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think that makes a whole lot of
sense. Because that number,

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that's what I've been thinking
about. Everything has become

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about growth. And that's, again,
another effect of inflation,

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everything, every industry is
growth, growth, growth. And so

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it like what happens when you
run up against that? That wall

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of market saturation, where you
literally can't grow anymore?

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And who knows where that is?
That's a magic number that

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nobody knows for every for each
product. Nobody understands what

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that number is going to be. I
I'm sorry. No, I was just saying

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what? What happens? I don't
really know what happens.

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Everything just seems like
Netflix seems to just take a

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hard U turn and go straight back
down. Yeah,

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because there's no growth.
That's the problem. If there's

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no growth, then then there's no
interest in holding that stock.

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And, as I've maintained before,
you just look at the numbers in

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my mind, it's a Ponzi scheme.
You keep pouring billions of

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dollars. I mean, they do $8
billion, a quarter or something,

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but they spend out spend on
creating poop. Yeah, and this

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is, and this was, this is part
of the beauty of the kind of

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the, I would say, a lot of
what's happening with people

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signing podcasts is oh, you
know, this could be one of these

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could be a hit one of these
could be a TV show. And there's

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been many examples of that. And
now that's going to decelerate,

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there's no doubt about it.

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Okay, so let's just, I'm gonna
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minute. So what about, let's
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just say, Spotify. They really,
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essentially, Joe Rogan is the
cash cow call her daddy is? I

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don't know something. And I
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on that show or not whether it
was a deal that dude, they don't

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even give numbers on podcasting
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this point. I don't think Joe
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For that, see, I'm thinking
about shows that are just simply

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Yeah, well, he's profitable from
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is what is it? What is the what
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user? And so if, if the 100
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of accepted, then that would be
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they have 11 million people who
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I'll throw out a million and
just keep it at 10. So cost him

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10 bucks to get to get 10
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user theoretically pays $5 per
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subscription fee or in
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But point being that if you have
if you're that top heavy, and

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you have one, essentially one
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they have one I think it's just
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think anything else is
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I mean if Rogan, that's
everybody's everybody seems to

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be befuddled by the fact that
even the 270 scientists, quote

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unquote, that wrote a letter
hasn't had an effect. Right? You

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know, that's PBS economics. They
can't have an effect. If they

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were to do anything with Rogan.
That's it. It's game over for

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the podcast. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes.
Oh, yeah.

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Then Then it'll be it'll be
it'll be it'll close down. It'll

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be over right away. You're
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the same thing worries me on the
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just the regular podcast
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I look at that, at that chart of
the biggest ad spends in all at

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the topic and you do that every
Monday. You do that every time

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James publishes do

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you put on assless chaps and
beat yourself while you do? I

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don't know why I said that.
Dave, I'm sorry. That was

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inappropriate.

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I'm surprised you knew I had so
yeah, let me better help. is the

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number one advertiser every time
and I'm like, Okay, if this is

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this thing goes belly up. It's
game over to me like it's just

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what is better? Is that a mental
health to health app app? Yeah.

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Do you know Do you know how much
money companies like that make?

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My buddy was asked to be CEO of
mindful I think mindful is

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another one of these apps on

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this are my Yeah

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$2 billion a quarter $2 billion
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How much profit though? No, oh,

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it's profitable. Oh, it's
profitable. Yeah, okay, cuz

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you're just it's just people
people and technology and a

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little bit of technology to
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I bet what they did was they
figured out that there were so

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many people coming out of
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that had no prospects for a job
that just funnel them all into

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this app and pay him nothing and

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it's worse than that. You know,
this anti work thing is being

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pushed everywhere it may even be
them doing that who the hell

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knows but this healing
communities and all this kind of

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stuff oh yeah there's there's a
lot going on. People are

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convinced they're very very
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Yes, hey, where are we with the
with everything this week? I got

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nothing on the list which means
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you got like real work stuff.

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No, I'm I mean just on the on my
prep side I've got for the first

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time in six in 70 episodes I do
not have my notes written out

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beforehand and they're actually
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out on a write it out on legal
pad on legal pad and it's

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instead of spread out over like
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and another pad but because we
get I got so much to talk about.

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I mean, the this week we had
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purge of Spreaker stuff to match
the anchor stuff and I don't

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even think we talked about the
anchor purge last week.

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No we didn't and and along with
that also comes the breakage of

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their M for a files I think
which I was reading about Marco

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an anchor pretty happy about
that. Well, this the whole I

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love this though, because this
this is confirmation of my

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theory that Spotify wants to
ditch anchor as a podcast

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platform. It's it's a it seems
like a money suck. It's it's

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not. It is not I don't think
that they even like it anymore.

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I think the getting rid of RSS
feeds as the default was the

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first step. And each step along
the way can they make one of

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these moves, confirms that
anchor is on Anchor is just a

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dead man walking, I don't think
it's a long term viable option

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for them anymore. And I think
they want they would they would

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love to just see it disappear.
They can't they really can't at

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this moment. But they can make
it as unattractive as possible

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so that they continue to draw
less and less interest in the

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platform.

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Was this not one day they'll
kill it? Was this not there?

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They're on ramp into podcasting
direct into Spotify. That was

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not the the concept there.

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Well, the original concept Yes,
yes that that was the concept.

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But but but anchor came out of
social audio. And that was the

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previous thing was that you
could like have a social network

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based on audio snippets.

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Oh, gosh. I mean, look,

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do you remember that? Yeah.
That's where and they all they

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did was add RSS feeds to that
guy or podcast. That's what you

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have so much garbage on there
like a typical on about that. A

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typical unlistenable podcast
that got purged two weeks ago.

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Do

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you have an example? Did you
bring one today?

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I had so many examples and I did
not bring any but like one of

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them was I posted some on the
mastodon one of them was just

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like I did 15 seconds of a guy
talking about poop Wait a minute

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background soundtrack.

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I have to get not so you purge a
poop cast? That's I don't know

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Dave. I'm I'm questioning your
choices here.

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It was like it was like 15
seconds of a Gmail. Hey, this is

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my first podcast and Yeah,

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hold on. I gotta find this man.
Where do you when did you post

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this? I'm looking for it now.

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I don't know a couple of weeks
ago. Is the poop is the poop

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cast. Yeah, no, it was it was
fantastic. But it was it was

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example after example, after
example of that kind of stuff.

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Some like a 12 year old girl
being like we go. Oh, this is

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cool. And that was it.

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Hold on. Listen out what I feel.
I owe you go play the trailer.

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Alright. Just slap

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Okay. That's it. That's the
entire podcast. But that's not

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the poop cast. I don't know
where the poop went. There was a

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bunch of poop ones. One of them
had a poop emoji in the title.

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Yeah, why do people do that? Oh,
no, I know. I'll do a poop cat.

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Actually, I know CRISPR shears,
was one of the OG podcasters key

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did the poop cast back in the
day. This was when we were now.

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So podcasting started a little
bit of lore for you. And then I

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want to bring our guests in
who's thinking what the hell

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that I join up for here.

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He's like, I'm on the wrong
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It's this thing on this was the
days when we were you know, we

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didn't really have studios or
equipment. You know, I was

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building some stuff and trying
to figure it all out. But I was

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doing sound sound seeing tours I
called them I'd walk around with

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binaural mics and you know, just
different stuff a little

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different from your traditional
radio. I'd go flying and and

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people doing different types of
things. And crisper sheers did

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the poop cast and and he would
literally talk about his poop.

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And at one point, and this is
what I knew podcasting would

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take off. And this was just the
best medium ever. He got on the

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roof of his house, made his wife
put a target below on the grass.

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And he was awesome. I got to
find that episode. It was

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legendary. There was just
something about it. I mean,

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think he had to be there.
Yesterday typical poop stories.

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But it was me.

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It was dry for sticking around.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, she got a
medal for that. But yeah, yeah.

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Everyone knew Chris. He's nuts.

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I'm assuming that the pot the
album art for this podcast was

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the Bristol stool index. No, I
forget. Nobody knows what that

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is. You can Google it.

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I forgot what he had his art.
Anyway, where were we? Oh, about

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growth. Growth. Yeah. Growth.
Growth. Yeah. I was gonna say

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one final thing about that.
Yeah, sure. So a true just kind

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of gets into growth, podcasting
and inflation. If I were to

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track the past 10 years of the
no agenda show, which is a value

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for value podcast, just like
podcasting 2.0, the podcast and

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the entire project. Year over
year, people have given us about

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between 12 and 18% more year
over year. And as we're having

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this conversation, I'm thinking
over a 10 year span, it's not

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that people appreciated us more.
It's just that the dollar

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devalued inflation. Yes, that is
inflation. Because I'm not like

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living high on the hog any
higher than I was last year.

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Right. So there, you know, I
think there's your inflation, it

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may actually be that Hi. My
situation has changed some you

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know, at some points throughout
10 years, Mike, my overhead is

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changed. I've reduced it
significantly. marrying a woman

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with money helps. She also which
when I say

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that we're definitely you know,
we, my wife married me for my

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money. But they that when you
look around the industry and all

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the all the index funds and all
the things that are like provide

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a quote unquote good return,
whether they're in the market or

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whether they're in the equities
or Whatever it is, like when all

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of them return roughly the same
percentage. That's not That's

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not quality of product or
investment. Primarily, that's

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inflation.

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Exactly, yeah. And what should
we bring our guests in so we can

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chat some more podcasting?

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Yeah, let's let's turn the
corner and stop trying to you

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know, talk about trying to be
Horowitz and

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although I think our our view of
the market is a lot more

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entertaining, yes, because we
bring in poop. It's just how

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it's supposed to go. Today's
guests in the boardroom are

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assessed or if you will, as
someone whose work I followed

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before podcasting 2.0 Because I
was a user of his product. And

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it's dynamite and he has an
incredible niche of the

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industry. Very happy to have him
here with us. Please welcome the

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the founder developer of pod LP
Thomas Barrasso.

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Thank you excited to be here.
And it's uh, it's pretty funny.

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I can relate to the poop casts I
had a connection when I was an

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undergrad I actually studied
Viking poop.

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Viking poop. Okay. All right.
This is something you can study.

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This is an icon, you get credit
college credit in this course.

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Yeah, I'll give you the LOL my
thesis version. So basically,

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you know, Vikings and their
their livestock settled in areas

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of Greenland and Iceland. And
they they pooped, of course,

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just like all of us. And now
those poop washed into water

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systems. And you can measure
them over time through

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sedimentology. You can take
sediment cores and lakes, and

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you can measure the
concentration of deagle

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biomarkers and tell where people
were when throughout history.

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Wow. This is like counting the
rings on a tree. We can we can

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count the poop rings.

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Exactly.

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So what were people eating?
Sorry, what was that? I was

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gonna ask what people were
eating. What were the Vikings

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eating?

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Oh, that that's a harder
question. That's the next that's

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the next grad students project.

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Oh, okay. All right. Dave, you
had a question? I'm sorry.

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I'm just No, I'm just gonna.
Just a comment and observation,

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if you will. I did not. I did
not come into this podcast today

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expecting to hear the term FICO
biomarkers. That was not on my

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list of all this, I thought I
would hear well, this

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is the most diverse boardroom in
the industry today. We don't. So

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Thomas, tell us about about your
app and and how it started. And

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maybe just give us a little
background. So everybody

441
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understands exactly what you're
doing. Because it's I think it's

442
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560
one of the most important apps
for podcasting future.

443
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,640
That that's quite the
superlative. I appreciate it.

444
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,650
But yeah, I'm happy to give
people some context. I know,

445
00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:49,500
it's, as you said, it's a pretty
interesting niche, at least I

446
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,380
think so. So yeah, at the start
of the pandemic, you know, like

447
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,810
a lot of people, everything shut
down, I didn't have a commute.

448
00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:57,750
So I just had a bunch of free
time. And I, one of the one of

449
00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:02,190
the many items on my infinite
backlog of tech ideas that I

450
00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:04,650
could get around to at some
point was to build a podcast app

451
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:07,890
for feature phones, because I
wanted to use one for going on

452
00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:11,100
camping trips. But you know,
with car commutes and stuff, you

453
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,740
get to drive to a campsite, I
didn't want to be without

454
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:16,200
something to listen to for that
time. And I didn't want to deal

455
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,210
with the hassle of like
downloading a bunch of mp3 is

456
00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:21,450
and sideloading them before I
go. So yeah, I ended up building

457
00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:24,780
the app for myself. But then as
I went through the process, I

458
00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:27,690
realized the market was a lot
bigger than I would have ever

459
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:31,560
imagined that at the start of
pandemic there was no podcast

460
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,130
app available for the platform,
then I'm on iOS. And then yeah,

461
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,370
I put it together pretty
quickly. Got it out there and

462
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,740
then then kept iterating on it.
But yeah, for people who aren't

463
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:43,950
aware, think about like your
standard old Motorola Razor flip

464
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:46,710
phone, not the new one that's
touchscreen and Android but like

465
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:49,710
the old school with a t nine
buttons that you click around

466
00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:52,500
basically they're they're those
but you know these days, they're

467
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:56,340
much more capable they've got 3g
4g, they can stream audio video

468
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,810
that come pre installed with
YouTube and Google and Facebook.

469
00:29:00,990 --> 00:29:03,210
And and now you know there's
penalty for listening to

470
00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:03,720
podcasts.

471
00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:10,020
Here's the irony Thomas. I was a
feature phone user. Prior to the

472
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:13,200
pandemic I was sick and tired of
being tracked I'd gotten rid of

473
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:20,820
all iPhones I never was really
into Android and I got the what

474
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:25,980
is it? Which Alcatel Alcatel go
flip three the Alcatel go flip

475
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:29,850
three from T Mobile. I liked it
because it had a hotspot. We did

476
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:33,120
the basic things. You know
texting of course is a pain in

477
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,670
the ass. It does have you know,
predictive text was still

478
00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:38,610
painful but it's okay because I
was just living my life I was

479
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,480
doing okay. And that's when I
found pod LP I'm like this is so

480
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,720
dynamite because I was I was
trying to get my hands on the

481
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,450
geo phone which is the geo phone
which is big in India like that.

482
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,030
That's even better one I was you
know, just to get beyond the

483
00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:59,280
form factor of the flip phone.
And and so I was really enjoying

484
00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:03,960
the pocket cast up. And then the
irony is we decided during the

485
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:08,730
pandemic, oh, let's start
podcasting. 2.0 I got so busy, I

486
00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:14,550
had to text more. And then I had
to get a smartphone again. It's

487
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:15,750
truly ironic.

488
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,920
Yeah, that definitely happen.
And I can totally relate to it.

489
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,500
I've actually got two of those
geophones, the one and the two,

490
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,150
including the one that looks
like a Blackberry with the

491
00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:27,300
keyboard. But even that I can
tell you it's not. It's not the

492
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,600
texting machine that you janky.
So So

493
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:36,420
janky is jank. So, um, so you're
in the in the Chi store for chi,

494
00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,970
iOS, I mean, how many downloads?
How many people are using this

495
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:39,300
thing?

496
00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:43,890
Yes. So in the last year and a
half or so we're on two markets,

497
00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:46,980
the Chi store globally, and the
geo store in India is definitely

498
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,950
the largest market and we've got
over 9 million installs around

499
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:53,400
the world. In 75 countries. Oh,

500
00:30:53,430 --> 00:31:00,360
you're the biggest podcast app
there is brother. You get? Wow,

501
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,390
it's a large market. You know,
to put it into perspective, QoS,

502
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:06,330
I think has about 150 million
monthly active users around the

503
00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:09,960
world. Sure. And they only the
you know, this is this is pretty

504
00:31:10,110 --> 00:31:13,200
crazy. But they're only 8% of
the global feature phone market

505
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,930
worldwide. I think people
especially in Western markets

506
00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:18,600
forget that that's the largest
device category in the world.

507
00:31:19,439 --> 00:31:24,119
So how long until we can do
value for value on on one of

508
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:24,839
these phones?

509
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:28,080
I've definitely thought about
you know, I keep adding some of

510
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,410
the podcasting 2.0 features. But
until there's a Bitcoin wallet,

511
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,240
I don't know if I'm going to be
the one that's got the time to

512
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,790
build it. It's web based. So
there's probably some way that

513
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:37,740
you could connect it to an
existing service.

514
00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:41,190
Oh, man, we have we have it all
set up for expertise. We can say

515
00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:43,260
we have it all we have
everything for you. All you need

516
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:44,430
to do is just connect.

517
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,870
Right Dave? Yeah, that's it.
Just just as simple as that

518
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:52,410
just connect. We got it all set
for you. What's your problem?

519
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:53,820
It's connect already.

520
00:31:54,270 --> 00:32:01,080
Look, tell me this Thomas? Or is
his chi West you're like So is

521
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720
it your daily driver? I mean,
you live on this phone.

522
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,930
I don't anymore. To be honest, I
similar similar to Adam.

523
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:13,410
Basically, after launching this
and having a bunch to deal with

524
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:16,560
it's pretty difficult to
navigate them on a regular

525
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,660
basis. If you're going to be
texting a lot you know, it's

526
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:21,180
fine. If you're gonna be doing
calls, you're consuming audio

527
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:23,790
and stuff. But I flipped between
them. I've got I don't even know

528
00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:26,370
like a dozen of these powers.
Now I got the new go flip for

529
00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:27,360
definitely

530
00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:32,100
bestest. So I'm, this is so
cool. Because, you know, we had

531
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:37,800
Who do we have on? Last week, we
had the RSS calm guys on. Yeah.

532
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,460
And they're storming the, the
Latin American market. And you

533
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:45,000
know, this is everyone's dicking
around here, you know, waiting

534
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,350
for Spotify to buy him. And
meanwhile, this whole market is

535
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,360
opening up. It's very, it's very
exciting.

536
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,630
So what do you think Thomas? Is
India? Is that clearly the

537
00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:59,370
biggest market for chi? And for
me, no NGO? And that is that is

538
00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:01,620
that clearly like head and
shoulders above the rest?

539
00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:06,150
Yeah, absolutely. India is
definitely in a in a category on

540
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:08,970
its own and in large part to do
and what they've done for that

541
00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:12,510
industry really rapidly, you
know, growing from from 2g to

542
00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:16,410
4g, you know, over 100 million
devices activated in like two or

543
00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:19,260
three years. So it's absolutely
massive. And for us an important

544
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:21,120
market, because it's one of the
largest Anglophone markets,

545
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,480
right? Most podcasts are still
available in English and English

546
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,830
is still a major language in
India.

547
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,610
Yeah, that was gonna be my next
question is how do you handle

548
00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:35,010
your biggest market being a, you
know, a particular country or

549
00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:40,080
region? Do you? Do you take that
into account? When you feature

550
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,920
podcasts within your directory?
Do you say, Okay, well, you

551
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,280
know, here's our biggest market.
So I'm going to mostly put this

552
00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:50,160
type of content as sort of up
front.

553
00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:56,370
Yeah, so we vary the content on
the app based on, you know, a

554
00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:58,500
bunch of different parameters,
the language, the country,

555
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,570
things like that. And obviously,
India is one that we definitely

556
00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:03,690
prioritize when we're sourcing
new content. You know, it being

557
00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:06,570
the largest market, but also, I
think, a lot of people in

558
00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:09,270
Western audience, I think maybe
there's a lack of appreciation

559
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:13,320
for the diversity there, you
know, with 1.3 billion people

560
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,320
and, you know, there's probably
like a dozen different regional

561
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,290
languages that each have almost
100 million speakers. Yeah, it's

562
00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:22,950
definitely like it's it's a very
varied market, depending on

563
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:25,830
where you are in India. And our
our audience is predominantly

564
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:28,860
rural and pretty diverse. So
it's really interesting one to

565
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:29,280
work with.

566
00:34:29,729 --> 00:34:32,519
Thomas, who's this we you talk
of?

567
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,920
It's the I don't know, the
hypothetical. We,

568
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:41,910
I mean, in a way, is it just
your soil? I'm leading towards a

569
00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:45,510
question. You have nine you have
9 million of anything you have a

570
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:53,550
business, technically, is are
you making money in any way? Are

571
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,030
you? Do you have any plans? Are
you just keeping this as a fun

572
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:59,670
app? I mean, how do you look at
this? Where do you stand in

573
00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:00,450
relation into it.

574
00:35:02,129 --> 00:35:05,369
Yeah, that's a good question. So
most of our revenue comes from

575
00:35:05,369 --> 00:35:07,799
podcast sponsorships. So anybody
who's interested in growing

576
00:35:07,799 --> 00:35:10,529
their audience globally, we can
promote their content, the

577
00:35:10,529 --> 00:35:13,109
number one spots on our
homepage, and it shows up the

578
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:15,599
first thing that users see
that's something that can

579
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,309
generate often many 1000s of
lessons in a single day. So

580
00:35:20,309 --> 00:35:23,939
that's a definitely the, you
know, the key prime spot for us,

581
00:35:24,029 --> 00:35:26,129
we can also promote content
anywhere else in the app, we can

582
00:35:26,129 --> 00:35:29,849
promote it in category pages
search, you know, we can promote

583
00:35:29,849 --> 00:35:32,279
on other parts of the homepage.
So there's there's definitely

584
00:35:32,279 --> 00:35:34,469
ways to promote content and that
that's really been how we've

585
00:35:34,469 --> 00:35:37,079
been able to afford to grow and
scale

586
00:35:37,139 --> 00:35:41,399
now, is this your you have a day
job? Or is this your, your full

587
00:35:41,399 --> 00:35:42,299
time occupation?

588
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,010
Yeah, I have a day jobs. I do
this basically, you know, early

589
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:49,470
in the morning, and in the
evenings or weekends.

590
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,180
Let your true your true
podcasting. 2.0. Yeah. Not

591
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:54,810
sustainable,

592
00:35:55,050 --> 00:35:58,320
afraid, afraid to come into
poverty? What's wrong with you?

593
00:35:58,350 --> 00:36:03,030
Yes. Hey, that's cool, man. So I
would definitely be interested

594
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:07,980
in in buying a position for one
or two of my podcast. So send me

595
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:11,370
your rate card, I'd love to take
a look at it. For sure. Yeah,

596
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,430
that's that's when I mean that I
think that's a really under,

597
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,420
especially with value for value.
There's so many opportunities,

598
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:21,540
app developers can be taking
advantage of with content.

599
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:25,830
People like when when the when a
bill and the wolf released their

600
00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:31,680
their value for value album on
Christmas. I mean, I just missed

601
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,230
the, you know, I missed the
promotion from Oscar Mary, you

602
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:37,200
know, I missed the breeze hyping
it, you know, and that all could

603
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,930
have been settled with value
block splits. I mean, there's

604
00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:41,910
just so much that we could do
with so I love an

605
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:44,730
entrepreneurial developer who's
saying, hey, you know, I can I

606
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,940
can make some dough this way?
And, and build a business?

607
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:51,810
Maybe? Yeah,

608
00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:55,170
no, I think that's a good way of
putting it. And for us, I think

609
00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,660
it's very organic, right, we get
to help podcasters connect with

610
00:36:57,660 --> 00:37:00,690
a new audience. And we get to
help, you know, an audience of

611
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:03,150
predominantly first time
internet users find, you know,

612
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,150
new engaging content, but they
can learn from that they can be

613
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:08,340
entertained by so it's it's
definitely something that's

614
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:11,730
been, you know, really, really
awesome to watch as the you

615
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:12,450
know, it's been over a year.

616
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:18,270
Now. I want to ask you about
your, your developer chops here,

617
00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:23,220
and when what you got going on,
so what I know, in iOS is mostly

618
00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:31,230
html5 environment. So how do you
develop an app for that? What is

619
00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:35,640
your development environment
look like? And know that I have

620
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,480
no experience other than I
downloaded the simulator the

621
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,960
other day to try to get the pod
LP up and running in a car

622
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,300
simulator and failed epically to
do it. It was a horrible

623
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:53,670
disaster. But like, how, what is
what is the language that you

624
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:56,760
that you run in? What does that
look like? And and then what

625
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,320
tools do you use?

626
00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:03,810
Yes, that's the interesting
question. Because it's, it's

627
00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:06,840
definitely been a challenge. I
think it's easier today. But

628
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,270
yeah, the simulator, I wouldn't
recommend if anybody's looking

629
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:12,150
to get into the that that area,
I would say, just get a hardware

630
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:13,890
device, they're pretty
affordable, you can get them in

631
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:17,400
the US for, I don't know, as low
as like 2030 bucks for some of

632
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,850
the really crappy cheap ones and
some of the nicer ones around

633
00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:23,610
100. So yeah, I would say get a
hardware device, you know, don't

634
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:27,690
waste your time in a simulator.
And then, honestly, it's been a

635
00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:30,510
large part of self discovery. So
there's documentation, of

636
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:33,570
course, I find the documentation
to be pretty incomplete as it

637
00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:36,810
often is a path and actually
just sort of like, you get a

638
00:38:36,810 --> 00:38:39,990
device you you poke around, you
learn how the API's work, you

639
00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:42,750
have to do a lot of testing to
see which which devices have

640
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:46,290
which API's where and when. And,
yeah, yeah, so it's a lot of

641
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,630
self discovery. In terms of the
environment, though. It's for

642
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:52,080
Penelope in particular, it's all
JavaScript. It's a spelt single

643
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,350
page app. We built in particular
and spelt because I wanted the

644
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:57,990
app to be really small, because
these are pretty resource

645
00:38:57,990 --> 00:39:00,600
constrained devices. So the
entire app with all of its

646
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,310
resources, images, JavaScript
styles, etc, is just under just

647
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:06,720
over 400 kilobytes. Now,

648
00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:14,190
I can hear Steven be screaming
at the top of his lungs. Yeah,

649
00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:20,550
that the the svelte evangelists
may rival only the rust

650
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:24,090
evangelists in their ability to
constantly talk about svelte

651
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,750
that's, that's been my
experience. What so what is your

652
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:33,660
so you test all on hardware?
What is what's the biggest sort

653
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:38,070
of pain point or constraint that
you're that you deal with is a

654
00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:41,220
screen size. And the variance of
all the different devices having

655
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:45,330
different screens is a storage
bandwidth lack of a keyboard and

656
00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:47,820
low memory like what what is
your biggest obstacle that

657
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,080
you're kind of constantly
battling?

658
00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:56,970
Yeah, that's a that's a really
interesting question to tackle.

659
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,490
I think there's definitely a lot
of challenges some of the ones

660
00:39:59,490 --> 00:40:02,160
that you seem apparent, like
screen sizes are actually not

661
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,300
really all that challenging to
navigate. And all the ios

662
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,520
devices have the exact same
screen size, same screen

663
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,490
resolution. So they largely have
the same hardware, which

664
00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:15,210
definitely helped standardize
things. More than more than

665
00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:20,550
anything between odd castings,
lack of uniformity and chi, Wess

666
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:24,330
lack of uniformity. It feels
like an early days Android,

667
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:26,460
there's a lot of fragmentation.
And so you end up having to

668
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:30,120
build a lot of checks in place
to say like, if this is

669
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,580
available, do this thing. And
the same goes for podcasts,

670
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:35,850
right? Like, I think I was
looking at using the enclosure

671
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:39,750
Length attribute as something I
could display for size of

672
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:44,730
podcast, there. Yeah. But even
even sometimes it's set to zero.

673
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,820
I found somewhere it's set to
like one or two or three, which

674
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:51,780
it looks like a real number. But
that's not you can't have I

675
00:40:51,780 --> 00:40:55,620
think I looked this up the mp3
header size is at least like 24

676
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:56,370
bytes or something.

677
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,990
Welcome to Dave's nightmare.

678
00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:00,690
Yeah, I had an email from
somebody the other day saying,

679
00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:04,440
Hey, I've just started using API
and I've noticed a bug a lot of

680
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,820
direct, a lot of the durations
in the results are coming back

681
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:11,520
to zero. And like, well, that's
because they're not in the feet.

682
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:12,750
Yep.

683
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,210
Yeah, that sounds about right.
So between iOS and podcasting,

684
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:21,690
it's definitely been a challenge
dealing with the lack of of

685
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,490
completeness and uniformity.

686
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:26,910
So what are you what have you
implemented tag wise? Have you

687
00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:28,440
done the alternate enclosures?

688
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:34,680
Yes, we have alternate
enclosures. There's, I have to

689
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,900
go look how we got funding
location person. Wow. There's

690
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:44,040
just recently I think it's,
we've got transcripts. So those

691
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,340
actually show up both live, you
can have them, or you can read

692
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:47,850
them all.

693
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,970
Dynamite. Well, he searched
them.

694
00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:56,220
You can't search them yet. Yeah.
Next next iteration. Yeah,

695
00:41:56,249 --> 00:42:01,679
I use that every single day.
Every day. I'm like, Wow, man, I

696
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,559
think, you know, here's my
process, like, oh, there's

697
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,249
something some news item. And
then first of all, go to Bing

698
00:42:08,249 --> 00:42:12,539
it.io, which indexes all of my
show notes. I'll find Okay, I

699
00:42:12,539 --> 00:42:15,389
think was this episode, then
I'll go to that episode, pop

700
00:42:15,389 --> 00:42:18,569
open the transcript and search,
and then click listen. And then

701
00:42:18,569 --> 00:42:21,929
I can find a clip. I can find
almost anything. It's as a

702
00:42:21,929 --> 00:42:23,939
research tool. Unbelievable.

703
00:42:25,409 --> 00:42:27,119
Yeah. Yeah.

704
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:29,790
Yeah. That I think Search Plus
chapters would be super

705
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,530
powerful. Definitely, definitely
something I've got on the

706
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:34,560
backlog. But I don't think these
devices come at search by

707
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,560
default. So it's a pretty non
standard interface to begin

708
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:37,800
with.

709
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:39,060
Right. Right.

710
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:41,070
Well, that's, that's an
interesting question. And so

711
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:46,230
yeah, right. Well, so two
questions on that on that topic.

712
00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:54,180
One is, how do you manage this,
this lack of a keyboard? Because

713
00:42:54,270 --> 00:42:58,980
everybody, I'll tell you, I've
known two people so far, well,

714
00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:01,830
including with Adam three, I've
known three people so far

715
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:07,440
personally, that have tried to
go daily driver with a phone

716
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,050
like the Alcatel. And the thing
that always makes them bail out,

717
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,560
is the is how difficult it is to
text. And so the keyboard lack

718
00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:22,590
the lack of an onscreen
keyboard, or a physical keyboard

719
00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:26,100
is like this deal killer for a
lot of people. Do you do

720
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:31,260
anything special to try to make
it easier for people to do like

721
00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:36,000
autocomplete search terms or
anything like that? Like, how do

722
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,320
you? How do you deal with that?

723
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,349
So we don't have autocomplete
yet with search, unfortunately,

724
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:47,159
it is still pretty. It's t nine,
it's still a pretty manual

725
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,969
process for actually typing
stuff out. So I don't think

726
00:43:50,969 --> 00:43:53,369
there's anything unique in that
front. But I would say the rest

727
00:43:53,369 --> 00:43:57,179
of the application is actually
probably pretty comparable in

728
00:43:57,179 --> 00:44:00,089
terms of discoverability for
what you'd expect other apps,

729
00:44:00,089 --> 00:44:02,579
right? Scrolling is not really
that different than holding the

730
00:44:02,579 --> 00:44:06,419
down key. It's really not all
that, you know, it's basically

731
00:44:06,419 --> 00:44:08,879
like a TV interface. If you
think about TV remote, it's

732
00:44:08,879 --> 00:44:10,859
basically got the D pad
navigation. And that's what

733
00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:13,439
these phones are, you can you
can discover pretty easily, but

734
00:44:13,439 --> 00:44:15,749
you go to try to, you know,
search for something on Netflix,

735
00:44:15,749 --> 00:44:18,119
and it's a pain, you got to go
through this keyboard and you

736
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:21,149
move in left and right. It's the
same interface problem. I don't

737
00:44:21,149 --> 00:44:23,939
think there's anything unique
that we've solved in that that

738
00:44:23,939 --> 00:44:24,269
front.

739
00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:29,039
Yeah. Do you have OPML import?
Is somebody coming from another

740
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:29,309
app?

741
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,750
No, not yet. And it was mostly
because it was the first and for

742
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:36,000
a long time, the only apps that
we were the only other one out

743
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,380
there. But it's definitely
something that I like, like a

744
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:43,290
lot of things. I've got a long
list to get around the building.

745
00:44:43,889 --> 00:44:48,359
Yeah. And one thing, one of the
things on the search thing, as

746
00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:52,709
far as indexing do is
everything's as html5 Is

747
00:44:52,709 --> 00:44:56,279
everything just local storage or
index DB or something like that

748
00:44:56,279 --> 00:44:59,069
on the on on the app is that
what you're dealing with for

749
00:44:59,069 --> 00:44:59,609
storage?

750
00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:03,690
Yeah, there's a couple of
different storage classes, those

751
00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:06,300
are obviously available. The
only caveat that I would add to

752
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,540
that is you have to be pretty
cautious and conservative about

753
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:11,910
what you store on these phones,
because they often have very

754
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:16,260
limited storage capacity, you're
rarely guaranteed to have more

755
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:18,510
than a couple Meg's at most. And
sometimes you don't even get

756
00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:21,420
that. So you have to be, you
have to have the app work,

757
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:23,880
regardless of whether you can
store and then for downloads.

758
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,960
It's a whole different system.
They have a Kiowa specific API

759
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,990
for creating files. And we do
that to stream podcasts in

760
00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:34,500
chunks and then save them
locally, to, you know, an mp3

761
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,180
file on the device. And then you
can play that back.

762
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:41,310
What is the typical bandwidth in
India? From from one of these

763
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:43,110
phones? What kind of throughput
are they getting?

764
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:47,280
Yeah, they're all 4g LTE. So
they're pretty capable. They can

765
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:50,970
on the low end, I think they're
the minimum bar that they set is

766
00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:53,730
something around 10 megabits and
then on the upper end, they can

767
00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:55,560
they can get to three digit
sometimes.

768
00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:59,970
You know, India being such a
huge market. There's got to be a

769
00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:03,780
way that I can sell you curry
calm for way too much money.

770
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,400
Hey, podcast, curry calm is hot.
People

771
00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:14,820
know, the Brit, the British
would buy that before the the

772
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:15,960
I've had inquiries.

773
00:46:16,019 --> 00:46:19,319
I've had inquiries. Yes, I got
pretty far one one time.

774
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,040
But your whole world would call
I know.

775
00:46:24,449 --> 00:46:27,659
There's so much tied to curry
calm, I would be so screwed.

776
00:46:27,689 --> 00:46:29,879
Yeah. It's not a good idea.
You're right.

777
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,370
Are you using the API at all?
Thomas? The podcast index API?

778
00:46:36,929 --> 00:46:40,349
Yes, well, I actually just added
it like, a couple of weeks ago,

779
00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:43,559
maybe over the Christmas break
to the backend. It's the first

780
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,709
time. So it's kind of funny.
When I first launched pod LP,

781
00:46:46,739 --> 00:46:48,599
one of the things I was doing is
basically following my

782
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,759
curiosity. I had no idea how
podcasting works. And then I

783
00:46:50,759 --> 00:46:52,739
learned about RSS, and there's
like, Oh, where do you get these

784
00:46:52,739 --> 00:46:55,319
feeds. And I learned about
directories and indexes and

785
00:46:55,319 --> 00:46:57,479
stuff. And I sort of like
organically discovered over

786
00:46:57,479 --> 00:47:00,569
time, but then you guys came out
a few months after I launched,

787
00:47:00,569 --> 00:47:03,539
and it's like, Damn, if you guys
had, if the timing got

788
00:47:03,539 --> 00:47:06,329
differently, I wouldn't bother
building all this stuff. But in

789
00:47:06,359 --> 00:47:08,669
retrospect, I'm glad I did.
Because there's so many unique

790
00:47:08,669 --> 00:47:11,609
capabilities that we need. But
you know, I don't think podcast

791
00:47:11,609 --> 00:47:13,679
index is doing and frankly,
nobody is doing because we're

792
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,269
the only ones who have to care
about that stuff.

793
00:47:15,929 --> 00:47:18,659
Yeah, that that really is the
best way to go is to have have

794
00:47:18,659 --> 00:47:23,459
your own back end. And that way,
you can sort of take the raw

795
00:47:24,029 --> 00:47:27,659
data coming out of an API like
packets, index, and then and

796
00:47:27,659 --> 00:47:31,259
then like, filter it into what
you need for your app. Yeah,

797
00:47:31,259 --> 00:47:32,519
that's definitely the what do

798
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:35,880
you know the funding tag is cool
that you have that in there that

799
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:44,040
just I just happen to know that
Pay Pal will not accept money

800
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,980
from India? So we've had people
tried to send us donations, not

801
00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:52,950
to the show, but to no agenda
from India, and always gets

802
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:55,890
rejected. Not Allowed from your
country.

803
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:00,660
Oh, that's interesting. I mean,
yeah, they surface basically

804
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:03,720
just as links, and there is no
Pay Pal out on iOS. So I don't,

805
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,600
I don't know how many people,
it's probably not the right

806
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,200
market. If you're looking for a
large volume of people funding

807
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:10,890
via PayPal,

808
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:14,880
I'm not known as something I
should ask more developers. What

809
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,430
do you do to track behavior? Do
you track behavior of your

810
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:21,630
users? How they're using it? Do
you extrapolate that? Do you use

811
00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:23,430
that in your in your iterations?

812
00:48:24,989 --> 00:48:29,939
Yeah, so we get a very basic set
of analytics, in terms of

813
00:48:29,939 --> 00:48:33,449
tracking behavior, you know,
it's it's event space, so we can

814
00:48:33,449 --> 00:48:36,119
track like, you know, how many
subscriptions are coming in, how

815
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,789
many listens, things like that,
because it's all you know, the

816
00:48:38,789 --> 00:48:42,659
API that we control every time,
like, we've got a standard URL

817
00:48:42,659 --> 00:48:45,119
that you get for every time you
want to get an enclosure URL,

818
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,609
and it just redirects to the
enclosure URL. And so that

819
00:48:47,729 --> 00:48:50,099
allows us to just count the
number of listens that we get,

820
00:48:50,369 --> 00:48:53,879
and track, like, you know, what
podcast is being listened to?

821
00:48:53,879 --> 00:48:55,979
That means that when we work
with sponsors, we can tell them,

822
00:48:56,249 --> 00:48:59,129
you know, if you run a campaign,
how many I mean, listen, how

823
00:48:59,129 --> 00:49:01,169
many downloads, how many
subscribers do you get from your

824
00:49:01,169 --> 00:49:04,229
campaign? What's the conversion
look like? Now, but it is pretty

825
00:49:04,229 --> 00:49:07,019
basic, you know, it's not like
we, and it's all anonymous, so

826
00:49:07,019 --> 00:49:09,239
there's no signup, there's no
email, there's no phone number

827
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,899
that you provide. So yeah,
pretty basic, anonymous

828
00:49:12,899 --> 00:49:13,469
analytics.

829
00:49:13,739 --> 00:49:17,069
Yeah. What I was thinking more
is, you know, I think some of

830
00:49:17,069 --> 00:49:20,369
these SDKs that, you know, that
are out there for iOS and

831
00:49:20,369 --> 00:49:24,449
Android, which I think are
developed by Facebook. They put

832
00:49:24,449 --> 00:49:28,349
all kinds of interesting metrics
in there that you can see how

833
00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:31,199
people are scrolling, what
they're stopping on how fast

834
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:33,839
they're going, does that
available for iOS at all?

835
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,150
Definitely not provided by iOS,
there might be some sort of web

836
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:43,350
framework that you could use. I
tend to err on the side of being

837
00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:45,990
a little bit more mindful of
privacy and security. So I don't

838
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:48,870
know that I would want to be
that invasive. But uh, yeah, I

839
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:51,210
think it's definitely if there's
something interesting that I

840
00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:54,150
could glean from it and do it in
a way that doesn't hurt

841
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:57,210
performance and doesn't impact
privacy, then I'd consider it

842
00:49:58,409 --> 00:50:01,169
interesting that doesn't exist
at all. And by the way, I'm very

843
00:50:01,169 --> 00:50:05,609
happy. I think that's that's the
the worst part of app

844
00:50:05,609 --> 00:50:08,789
development is the only way you
can really understand how people

845
00:50:08,789 --> 00:50:11,609
are using your app is by
installing that SDK. And of

846
00:50:11,609 --> 00:50:13,679
course, that reports everything
to Facebook.

847
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:17,790
Yeah, the to limit tree all the
telemetry telemetry. That's

848
00:50:17,790 --> 00:50:20,010
the word I was looking for.
Yeah. Wow, man. That's

849
00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:23,460
congratulations, Thomas's that's
really that's, that's quite an

850
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:26,370
accomplishment. But I just love
that you saw that, that

851
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:30,120
opportunity. And and I saw it
was it's a great piece of

852
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,240
software. I haven't used it for
a bit, because I haven't used

853
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,880
that phone. But it's really it's
a it's a great app.

854
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:41,160
Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate
it. And, you know, I think it's

855
00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:44,280
anything I can do to help
educate folks. I think people

856
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,160
forget that, you know, just how,
how important this market is,

857
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,230
right? I mean, even in the
United States, there's still

858
00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:51,870
millions of people using feature
phones every day. And I don't

859
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:53,700
think it's going away anytime
soon. Some people use it by

860
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,910
choice. And some people, you
know, that's that's their,

861
00:50:57,810 --> 00:51:00,480
that's their, their limitations
are the capabilities, you know,

862
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,300
my grandparents had flip phones,
and that they would never

863
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,130
graduate to a smartphone you
couldn't pay them to.

864
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,210
Yeah, since it's such a new
market, is there an opportunity

865
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:16,020
here to promote? Dave, we should
probably talk to Buzzsprout and

866
00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:19,770
RSS COMM And those guys about is
there an opportunity to promote

867
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:24,210
podcasting 2.0 authoring
features, so that, you know,

868
00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:29,670
this relatively emerging new
market can start out of the gate

869
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:33,600
with some modern shit. And you
know, and not just kickstart

870
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,650
that because it seems, you know,
that if creators are, are aware

871
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:40,680
of the app, and they must be,
you know, if there's some

872
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,380
messaging, they're like, hey,
you know, you can do better you

873
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:45,000
can do better than the West.

874
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,349
Yeah, that's a good point,
something like that. I think

875
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:53,789
everybody is so locked in on,
you know, on the standard

876
00:51:53,789 --> 00:51:57,359
smartphone platforms that when
you think when you imagine a

877
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:01,619
podcast app, you don't imagine
in your head, most average,

878
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:06,659
humans are not going to imagine,
at least in the US. They're not

879
00:52:06,659 --> 00:52:09,539
gonna imagine something that
looks like a Kiowa screen. No,

880
00:52:09,689 --> 00:52:12,719
they're they're definitely not.
But if you do, it sort of

881
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,909
changes your perspective on
things sort of like being aware

882
00:52:14,909 --> 00:52:17,789
of bandwidth limitations. Yeah.
Makes you see a need for

883
00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:22,379
something like alternate
enclosure. I mean, on that sort

884
00:52:22,379 --> 00:52:28,319
of vein, Thomas Woody, what is
the biggest thing that you can

885
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,289
think of when it comes to the
way feeds are constructed? Or

886
00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:36,179
delivered? That that is a
problem for what you're trying

887
00:52:36,179 --> 00:52:39,059
to do? Like? What do you
constantly run up against when

888
00:52:39,059 --> 00:52:45,839
you're transmogrifying a feed a
podcast into something that can

889
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:49,439
run in display efficiently on a
small screen like that?

890
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:55,500
Yeah, I think it always comes
down to size at the end of the

891
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:59,490
day, whether that's the size of
the RSS enclosure, like you

892
00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:03,960
mentioned. So having alternative
enclosures is huge. You know, it

893
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,420
makes so much sense to have
adaptable, bit rich just because

894
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:09,990
devices like this, and probably
other devices worldwide, even

895
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:12,360
your smartphone on 3g doesn't
really need to be streaming the

896
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,410
highest bitrate, it's going to
cause jank and lag and

897
00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:18,810
buffering, it'd be better to
stream a lower bitrate and

898
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:21,990
stream it smoothly. Same with
podcast images, that's an

899
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,830
exciting one. For me, the
ability to have, you know, a

900
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:28,290
right sized thumbnail that I
don't have to generate and push

901
00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:32,820
myself would be really powerful.
Everybody's posting 3000 by 3000

902
00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:35,580
images for the latest iPhone,
which is great, but that'll

903
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:38,640
crash one of these phones, you
can't display that. That's 1/10

904
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,060
the size. So those two are
powerful. And then just thinking

905
00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:47,670
about and being mindful for like
the length of titles. I noticed

906
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:50,310
this. Like I was listening to
pod land recently. And it's

907
00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:53,550
great, but some of their titles
are like like in line

908
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:57,810
and scrolled off on my screen to
on on pod friend I saw the same

909
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,170
thing

910
00:53:59,940 --> 00:54:02,130
is about buffer overflow the
stack

911
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:05,220
like that. Yeah. And it wraps
around to the next line goes

912
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:10,350
over time lines and shit. Yeah.
That's fun. Hey, we're in a

913
00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:13,620
burgeoning industry here. So
it's all a fresh for everybody.

914
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:15,060
Yeah,

915
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,200
exactly.

916
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:20,280
What is this? What is the image
art size for that? You really, I

917
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,640
guess you scale everything down
to us to a standardized size.

918
00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:28,500
Yeah, I scale everything down to
128 pixels. And it was pretty

919
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,650
arbitrary. To be honest, these
phones are 240 by 320. I just

920
00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:35,550
wanted something that was large
enough that I could scale it up

921
00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:37,950
a little bit if I needed to in
certain contexts, but most of

922
00:54:37,950 --> 00:54:41,670
the time, it occupies, you know,
maybe a quarter of width at

923
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:45,330
most. And so it's just something
that was it was going to be

924
00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:49,320
small enough, not too small. And
usually with that, that size

925
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,410
variable. I think I average if I
look at my stats, I average like

926
00:54:52,410 --> 00:54:57,840
a 93% file size reduction and
thumbnail images by scaling them

927
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:58,440
down that way.

928
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,500
Oh, well. Okay. Have you been to
India?

929
00:55:03,179 --> 00:55:06,869
I have not heard plans to and
then the pandemic then? Yeah, of

930
00:55:06,869 --> 00:55:07,349
course.

931
00:55:07,469 --> 00:55:10,919
And in India, you die and they
burn you outside. So don't go.

932
00:55:11,339 --> 00:55:18,179
Yeah. What are you concerned at
all about the long term

933
00:55:18,749 --> 00:55:22,529
viability of qx iOS as a as an
operating system? I mean, I know

934
00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:25,589
there's some. I mean, I know
it's been around a while, but

935
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:30,149
also know that, and I think this
is accurate from what I remember

936
00:55:30,149 --> 00:55:34,199
that Google provides, like, half
their funding or more.

937
00:55:37,050 --> 00:55:39,600
Yeah, I don't know if they're, I
mean, I know Google's invested

938
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,550
in them. So I put $12

939
00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:44,220
million in or something at some
point, if I remember.

940
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:47,490
Yeah. I don't know what portion
of their funding is attributed

941
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:50,520
to companies like that? I
wouldn't. I mean, I would say

942
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,070
I'm not. I'm not too concerned
about it. And there's a couple

943
00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:56,910
of reasons. One is the telcos
worldwide are moving towards 4g

944
00:55:56,910 --> 00:56:00,630
as a minimum standard, going
forward, this 2g, 3g network

945
00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:03,630
shutdowns across the world and
even here in the US. And the

946
00:56:03,630 --> 00:56:06,150
other reason is, they're still
half of the world's population

947
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:10,200
unconnected to any form of
network device, whether that's a

948
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,950
phone or a computer, or like any
internet capability. And so when

949
00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:15,960
people think about, you know, a
lot of people talk about the

950
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,970
future phone market as being
something that's sort of

951
00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:22,470
transition transitionary or
temporary. It might be, but it

952
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:24,690
might not, I frankly, think
we're talking about decades

953
00:56:24,690 --> 00:56:28,590
before we're anywhere near, you
know, having everybody on a

954
00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:32,490
smartphone with electricity, and
internet and all of that. So I

955
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:33,450
think there's a long way to go.

956
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,470
The I remember now, it was $22
million that Google invested in

957
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:42,600
KY iOS, and they did it to have,
you know, the integrate Google

958
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,720
Search, Google Maps, YouTube,
Google Assistant, Google

959
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:50,940
Assistant, on CK iOS, is quite
impressive. But of course,

960
00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:56,460
anyone who's using in America, a
feature phone is anti Google,

961
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,790
probably doesn't really want
that feature. But I remember the

962
00:56:59,790 --> 00:57:02,190
Google Assistant being really
good.

963
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:07,620
Yeah, I think, Dave, you were
asking a while ago, what we're

964
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:09,840
doing about search. And that's
actually one of the answers to

965
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,200
that on Geo, they have their own
version of this. And in the US,

966
00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:16,230
and around the world. They've
got Google Assistant, you can

967
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:19,500
hold down the center enter
button. And I think after two or

968
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:21,870
three seconds, a microphone will
appear. And you can speak what

969
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:25,110
you want. So I could say like,
you know, podcasting 2.0. And

970
00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:27,360
then it'll put that into the
input box, which is really

971
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,160
powerful. Like you were saying
whether or not you like Google

972
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,660
ads. It's a really nice feature

973
00:57:30,839 --> 00:57:35,039
to have. Yeah. And they make
that where does that API come

974
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:39,059
from? Is that something that
they coyote is baked in for on

975
00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:40,379
Google's behalf? Or is that

976
00:57:40,469 --> 00:57:43,739
for $20? million? For $20?
million? That's what that's

977
00:57:43,739 --> 00:57:49,049
right. Hello, hey, hey, Google
will bake in no problem. We'll

978
00:57:49,049 --> 00:57:51,929
bake it into the cookie dough,
but we'll make you.

979
00:57:53,909 --> 00:57:56,189
Yeah, it's just part of the
standard framework. If you have

980
00:57:56,189 --> 00:57:58,829
an input element, it's just
there. I think you can disable

981
00:57:58,829 --> 00:58:02,819
it if you want to. So you know,
if you want to get rid of that

982
00:58:02,819 --> 00:58:05,309
feature, and then they show a
microphone icon, and that's

983
00:58:05,309 --> 00:58:07,199
actually a shadow element. If
you talk about how that's

984
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:10,079
implemented, like in the Shadow
DOM, you can see that it's just

985
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,079
like another, I don't know, gear
for an SVG or something that

986
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:14,339
they load over the input.

987
00:58:15,179 --> 00:58:20,339
It just blows my mind that on
us, you'd have a feature phone

988
00:58:20,369 --> 00:58:26,249
with it has all these limited
hardware. And the choice you

989
00:58:26,249 --> 00:58:31,709
make for that platform, as the
iOS is essentially like a

990
00:58:31,709 --> 00:58:37,079
deconstructed browser instead of
something like I don't know,

991
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,899
some sort of real time or not
real time though, as some sort

992
00:58:39,899 --> 00:58:45,209
of embeddable Oh, s like Q and x
are in was at tins, and I forgot

993
00:58:45,209 --> 00:58:48,479
what Samson's thing like there's
a lot of these embeddable OH S

994
00:58:48,479 --> 00:58:52,559
is and it is funny that they,
that what you get with kaios is

995
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,269
essentially a browser. But, but
if you can do it that way, it

996
00:58:57,269 --> 00:59:00,689
makes so much sense. Because you
just get all this sort of stuff

997
00:59:00,689 --> 00:59:06,209
for free, you get a really good
layout with CSS, and you get all

998
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,059
the standard browser, and you
also get instant developer

999
00:59:09,059 --> 00:59:11,609
support because any front end
developer could really kind of

1000
00:59:12,029 --> 00:59:14,549
understand it, even if the
documentation is not that great.

1001
00:59:15,059 --> 00:59:17,639
Like, it makes so much sense.
But it's still kind of blows my

1002
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,539
mind that you can cram a browser
into such limited constrained

1003
00:59:21,539 --> 00:59:22,229
hardware,

1004
00:59:22,619 --> 00:59:27,809
you know. Yeah, the, I mean, the
history it's based on Firefox.

1005
00:59:27,809 --> 00:59:30,239
Oh, so under the hood, it's
really just running the Firefox

1006
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:33,419
browser. It's like you said,
it's really interesting,

1007
00:59:33,569 --> 00:59:35,759
especially when you look at the
newer devices coming out.

1008
00:59:35,909 --> 00:59:38,819
They're, they're pretty smooth.
Now. You know, the early devices

1009
00:59:38,819 --> 00:59:40,799
like that banana phone that you
might have had was a little

1010
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:42,719
janky. But do long

1011
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:48,210
Nokia 8110 Yeah, I have five of
those. I ordered them all from

1012
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:51,330
China, and none of them worked
on the US networks, but they

1013
00:59:51,330 --> 00:59:54,630
were like 30 bucks like oh,
yeah, there's the Nokia and I

1014
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:57,630
got the one from the UK not and
even though they said oh, yes,

1015
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:01,680
working America very good as
perfect system. He said with a

1016
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,490
racist accent. And it didn't of
course, but man, I love that I

1017
01:00:05,490 --> 01:00:07,620
had the original one the matrix
phone.

1018
01:00:09,420 --> 01:00:12,120
Oh, yeah, they're, they're
collector's items at this point.

1019
01:00:12,149 --> 01:00:16,019
Yeah. Like, there was a man
Nokia had a phone that fit in

1020
01:00:16,019 --> 01:00:18,209
the palm of your hand back in
the day. Do you remember that

1021
01:00:18,209 --> 01:00:18,539
one?

1022
01:00:20,099 --> 01:00:21,269
It sounds like a lot of them

1023
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:24,630
now, but I mean, it was it was
miniature. What was the

1024
01:00:25,170 --> 01:00:26,130
miniature Nokia?

1025
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:29,279
I don't remember that Nokia when
I had an Ericsson that would fit

1026
01:00:29,279 --> 01:00:31,499
in the palm of your hand. Oh, so
tiny. This

1027
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:37,470
was even smaller. This was even
this was the 3310 mini

1028
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,249
3310. Yeah,

1029
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:44,310
it fits in between your thumb
and your forefinger.

1030
01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:47,100
Are you kidding me? Yeah. Yeah,

1031
01:00:47,099 --> 01:00:49,529
you could you could barely make
a phone call. You could? It was

1032
01:00:49,529 --> 01:00:54,329
impossible to text. Yeah, it was
impossible to text. The other

1033
01:00:54,329 --> 01:00:57,389
thing they have a mini 2021. Now
what is this? This is also a

1034
01:00:57,389 --> 01:01:01,979
mini mini? I can't tell. No,
that's that's a smartphone.

1035
01:01:02,189 --> 01:01:06,659
Yeah, it's just oh, it was good
times, man. Good times.

1036
01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:11,220
Yeah, that device looks crazy.
Next, I gotta get that to run CK

1037
01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:13,380
iOS. Right? How does that
wearable?

1038
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,650
Even work? Your album mark can
be? It can be 64 by 64 pixels.

1039
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:26,160
Pixel pixels. Yes. That's about
right. So what's your what is

1040
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,860
your device lineup look like? I
mean, you said you had an array

1041
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:34,650
of phones? What? How do you make
sure that that it looks decent

1042
01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:37,380
across everything? If you're in
do you have to? I'm assuming,

1043
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:39,990
I'm assuming here says you don't
use the simulator. Did you have

1044
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:43,050
to unplug? replug? Build?
Unplug? replug? No, you have to

1045
01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:45,480
go through this pop up scenario.

1046
01:01:47,310 --> 01:01:50,190
Yes. So I actually one of the
things that I did was spend the

1047
01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:53,850
time to make sure that the app
works. The same build works on

1048
01:01:53,850 --> 01:01:56,250
all environment that doesn't
matter whether it's a geophone

1049
01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:58,260
doesn't matter if it's an iOS
phone doesn't matter if it's chi

1050
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:01,860
was two, five or three Oh, so
it's the same build runs

1051
01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:04,530
everywhere. And that took a
little bit of extra time to do

1052
01:02:04,530 --> 01:02:08,190
all of that sort of detection,
environment detection at

1053
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:11,040
runtime, but it definitely helps
me because I don't have to then

1054
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,680
spend all this time thinking
about managing five different

1055
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,860
builds. And then my life
literally got like these things

1056
01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:20,250
sitting on the floor. I've got
that that baby the the 8110 4g

1057
01:02:20,250 --> 01:02:24,330
The Matrix phone and yellow.
I've gotten to geophones. I've

1058
01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:29,580
got two Alcatel flip phones.
I've got some one from Europe.

1059
01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:31,980
That was I don't know how this
it was like a prototype model

1060
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:34,830
that was on eBay that I saw and
I bought it came pre routed

1061
01:02:34,830 --> 01:02:37,500
which was amazing. I didn't have
to do anything like came with Su

1062
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:42,090
and salt. Yeah, and then I've
got a couple others I got like

1063
01:02:42,090 --> 01:02:44,850
this blue phone. That's an
absolute piece of trash. It

1064
01:02:44,850 --> 01:02:49,230
sells for like 30 bucks. It it
sounds awful on it because it's

1065
01:02:49,230 --> 01:02:52,110
got I think a moto speaker on
the back. And so you listen to

1066
01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:55,800
it and everything sounds like
you're listening to tinfoil. But

1067
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,590
yeah, using the whole array,
it's pretty easy to test and

1068
01:02:58,590 --> 01:03:01,260
then I don't always test it on
everything because the screen

1069
01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:04,110
size is the same for every
device, every screen resolution

1070
01:03:04,110 --> 01:03:08,280
rather not size. So yeah, I
don't really have to do too much

1071
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,820
in terms of layout conformity,
but definitely some around like

1072
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:14,010
feature capability. I was
testing the geophones,

1073
01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:18,240
performance and that kind of
thing. Yeah. Yeah, that so what

1074
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,060
like so if the screens are the
same resolution, I guess they

1075
01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,700
just stretch them and sort of
adapt them to a little bit

1076
01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:25,710
different format.

1077
01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:31,980
Yeah, every screen is 240 by
320. And then the only only

1078
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,890
exception to that rule is the
geophone. Two with the keyboard,

1079
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,140
which is just left with 320 by
240.

1080
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:42,090
Oh, sideways, okay, I guess Yep.
Yeah, that's you essentially,

1081
01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:45,660
guys, so what you have is like
a, an old school like GarageBand

1082
01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:48,000
pedal board with like, you know,
all the all this lineup of

1083
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,320
devices on it, like, distortion
pedals plan Jurina. That's

1084
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:52,680
funny.

1085
01:03:53,969 --> 01:03:55,919
Yeah, I definitely you're
talking about the different

1086
01:03:55,949 --> 01:03:59,609
classes. I have a couple other
Nokia phones. And I've been

1087
01:03:59,609 --> 01:04:02,129
thinking someday about trying to
make one for one of those real

1088
01:04:02,129 --> 01:04:05,069
time iOS is something with like,
you know, like eight megabytes

1089
01:04:05,069 --> 01:04:08,069
of RAM. How would you even make
that work? And so that that

1090
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:10,769
would be a really interesting
challenge to have to, to work

1091
01:04:10,769 --> 01:04:11,099
through.

1092
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:13,349
assembly language, all assembly
language.

1093
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:16,350
Sounds maintainable? Yes,

1094
01:04:16,349 --> 01:04:20,219
yes. So do you have like some
kind of build pipeline that you

1095
01:04:20,219 --> 01:04:23,519
have that where you like, push
out a build and it and it

1096
01:04:23,729 --> 01:04:27,299
adapted for each one of those
different devices? You said? He

1097
01:04:27,299 --> 01:04:29,129
said, so that you don't have to
build uniques

1098
01:04:30,690 --> 01:04:33,600
it's the same build everywhere.
So it's the same compiled

1099
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,140
JavaScript, whether it's running
on one phone or the other. So

1100
01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:39,330
that's, that's pretty easy to
manage. And I use roll up for

1101
01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:42,960
the build process, which I think
is fine. I haven't invested too

1102
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,540
much time into the different
tools, but I know there's at one

1103
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:47,610
point I use webpack. There's
like a million out there now.

1104
01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:53,760
Yeah. Webpack thanks so much.
Sorry, sorry, the JavaScript

1105
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,310
guys but Webpack is a steaming
pile of garbage.

1106
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,350
This developer talk is So sexy
keep going.

1107
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:05,250
Sorry. As I see the floor to
you. Yeah.

1108
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:10,830
Well, no, I, I guess the the
before we get to our break here

1109
01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:13,410
and thank a couple people, is
there anything else that we

1110
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:15,330
could do to make it more
efficient for you?

1111
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:21,150
Yeah, that's a really
interesting question. I think

1112
01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:24,270
you've already done a lot, like
I mentioned through alternative

1113
01:05:24,270 --> 01:05:29,280
enclosures and images. I'll have
to have to give it a little bit

1114
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,160
more thought. But I think, like,
I definitely see it going in the

1115
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,310
right direction. There hasn't
been, you know, I haven't

1116
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:37,950
supported every tag yet, partly
because of time. And partly

1117
01:05:37,950 --> 01:05:41,490
because some of the constraints
on these devices like real time

1118
01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:45,270
streaming is definitely a whole
different can of worms than, you

1119
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:49,200
know, just loading like a an
mp3. But yeah, I think if

1120
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,960
anything, it's just the
awareness of this will help

1121
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,960
podcasters understand. And then
at some point, I'd like to help

1122
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,230
build tools to show people what
it would look like on pot LP, or

1123
01:05:58,230 --> 01:06:01,530
other apps so that they can get
an appreciation for the places

1124
01:06:01,530 --> 01:06:04,470
their podcast could be. And
that'll help them think about

1125
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:07,830
like, whether you're talking
about names or descriptions or

1126
01:06:07,830 --> 01:06:10,620
images or anything like that. I
know, like pod news, for

1127
01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:13,260
example, they were doing podcast
images, and it was really cool

1128
01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:17,370
how they adapted the logo to go
from one that includes like word

1129
01:06:17,370 --> 01:06:20,340
marks and a full detail to one
that when it gets scaled down to

1130
01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:22,740
like 300 or less is just
iconography.

1131
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,920
I love that I love I love it
when they take when people take

1132
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,710
time to really care about the
different sizes, and they just

1133
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:29,220
run it through

1134
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,110
like that. He's very good about
it, because I think the RSS

1135
01:06:34,110 --> 01:06:38,640
generator creates one thumbnail,
but I probably I probably

1136
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:44,010
haven't really focused on as a
creator of this. I haven't been

1137
01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:47,610
educated been schooled. Exactly
on I mean, I understand the

1138
01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:50,820
concept. Let me just see,
because we have it podcasting.

1139
01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:57,870
2.0 I think we had ones auto
generated. What sizes and I

1140
01:06:57,870 --> 01:07:01,440
guess I can put more in and so
is there is there standard? Here

1141
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,070
it is I've got

1142
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,230
what is this at some time at the
genie?

1143
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:14,730
Yeah, exactly. The 816 pixels.
That's the width. I'm not quite

1144
01:07:14,730 --> 01:07:18,330
sure I understand all of this.
So I bet I can add one here. So

1145
01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:24,510
what sizes do you need? So I can
do this the right way? How do I

1146
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:29,370
find out about this? So I put
that in all of my. Yeah, so I

1147
01:07:29,370 --> 01:07:32,490
put it in all of my, my systems.

1148
01:07:33,690 --> 01:07:37,710
Yeah, I think podcasting the the
2.0 icon scales down pretty

1149
01:07:37,710 --> 01:07:40,590
well, just the way it is. But if
you're, if you're a podcaster

1150
01:07:40,590 --> 01:07:43,200
out there, and you've got like
wordmarks, or like really

1151
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,770
detailed images, where you need
to see sort of the nuance, but

1152
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:49,830
just scale it down to 300 by
300. And then scale down again

1153
01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:53,190
to 128 by 128. And see what it
looks like, if it looks good on

1154
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:55,710
your computer, then great, it's
probably fine. If it's like a

1155
01:07:55,710 --> 01:08:00,600
really, you know, high key sort
of saturated icon based image,

1156
01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:02,940
it'll probably be fine. But if
you've got like a really

1157
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:06,000
detailed photograph that you're
using, maybe of a person or a

1158
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,910
place, just think about what
that will look like when you

1159
01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:11,640
scale it down to something like
128. And if it if it doesn't

1160
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,730
look right, then you might need
to make some changes to how to

1161
01:08:14,730 --> 01:08:15,420
get presented.

1162
01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:19,800
You know, what would be great is
to have like some like a, I

1163
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,630
don't know, if you do stuff like
this Thomas, but have like some

1164
01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:25,560
kind of blog post or something
where you sort of go over a

1165
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:32,820
thumbnail sketch of what the
perfect set of constraints for

1166
01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:38,880
an RSS feed would look like to
be presentable on pod LPs to 9

1167
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:44,250
million. Yeah, yet image art of
this album are the days this

1168
01:08:44,250 --> 01:08:49,620
resolution, using the end, use
the images tag, you know, use

1169
01:08:49,620 --> 01:08:52,080
alternate enclosure with a
couple of with these specific

1170
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,990
bit rates, like something like
that would be fantastic. We ever

1171
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,930
had time because then we could,
you know, push that out there

1172
01:08:57,930 --> 01:09:01,740
and make just raise awareness
that these, this is such a big

1173
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:02,190
market.

1174
01:09:04,170 --> 01:09:06,690
That's a great idea. Yeah, we've
got a blog at blog dot Patel

1175
01:09:06,690 --> 01:09:09,690
p.com definitely could use more
love, I don't post there very

1176
01:09:09,690 --> 01:09:14,010
frequently. So that's a good one
to post about to show both the

1177
01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:16,620
imagery, like you were saying,
and then sort of behind the

1178
01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:18,690
scenes what that would look
like, you know, right now it's a

1179
01:09:18,690 --> 01:09:21,000
little bit tricky, because I
don't I don't think I know of a

1180
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,550
podcast host that supports
images, but I don't, I also

1181
01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:25,800
don't see why they wouldn't
moving forward because at the

1182
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,990
very least if all you do is
scale down the album art,

1183
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:30,180
they're gonna save money on
bandwidth in the future. Because

1184
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:32,340
if you click in and all you see
is the thumbnail and you don't

1185
01:09:32,340 --> 01:09:34,890
go to the details and load the
full image. And that's, you

1186
01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:37,740
know, like I said 93% of
bandwidth on that image they're

1187
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:38,820
not loading and paying for.

1188
01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:43,680
And I encourage you to highlight
any of the podcasts that show

1189
01:09:43,710 --> 01:09:48,660
all of the tags in use on the CK
iOS device. Now there's this

1190
01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:52,290
very popular Indian podcaster
His name is curry and he has a

1191
01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:54,960
number of podcasts and you
should you should consider you

1192
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,630
consider highlighting some of
those shows to show off what

1193
01:09:57,630 --> 01:09:59,100
podcasting really can do.

1194
01:10:00,690 --> 01:10:06,930
That's the owner of curry.com.
Right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I

1195
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:08,490
heard that somewhere. I don't I
don't recall. But

1196
01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:12,600
in all seriousness, you know,
I'm, I'm just somebody who

1197
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,860
probably should ask all app
developers is anytime that you

1198
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:22,350
can highlight any podcasting 2.0
compatible show now and maybe

1199
01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:26,700
say, Hey, look at the future of
podcasting. And this is what you

1200
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:29,790
can do now. Hey, are you a
podcaster? You can do this.

1201
01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:30,960
Learn more here?

1202
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:37,140
Yep. Yeah, that's a good point.
I think I remember pinging the

1203
01:10:37,170 --> 01:10:39,540
your Twitter handle, I think
maybe Dave, you respond to that

1204
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:42,150
when I was when I was starting
to build some of the support for

1205
01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,480
different tags. I was like, hey,
what podcast do I use to test

1206
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,430
this on? Like, is there one
actually out there that I can

1207
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:47,880
use?

1208
01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:53,100
I don't remember which one I
gave you. Probably John. Jg

1209
01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:56,400
because he he's, he's more
raves. He's a bigger builder at

1210
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,590
the beginning than we were.
Yeah. Yeah.

1211
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,810
We finally got all the tags. So
yeah,

1212
01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:05,070
no, I know, you get a heart out,
Thomas. And coming up in do we

1213
01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:06,600
want to go ahead and thank some
people. Yeah. Do

1214
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,850
you want to hang around while we
do this? Thomas, we can we can

1215
01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:12,090
say goodbye after that. Yeah,
sounds good. Okay, this is the

1216
01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:17,550
most fun part of the show. It
is. This is a value for value

1217
01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:21,300
project, the whole project is
value for value. So not just the

1218
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:25,380
podcast, but everything that you
heard us talking about is all

1219
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:29,310
supported by people who either
want to support the project or

1220
01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:31,860
in the project. That's where
most of our support comes from.

1221
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,570
And you can do that through a
number of means. You can boost

1222
01:11:36,570 --> 01:11:40,140
us through any modern podcast
app at new podcast apps calm,

1223
01:11:40,410 --> 01:11:45,240
but we also fully accept Fiat
fun coupon so as long as they're

1224
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,860
good, as through our paper,
which you can find a podcast

1225
01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:52,710
index.org on the bottom Big Red
donate button. Who do we think

1226
01:11:52,710 --> 01:11:53,370
this week Dave?

1227
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:59,100
Well, right out of the gate.
Marco Arment. $500. Yeah.

1228
01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:03,090
Yes, every month, man, thank you
so much, Marco.

1229
01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:09,330
Yeah. And I'm just gonna, I'm
hoping I'm pretty sure he said

1230
01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:12,960
he was working on chapters a
while back soon as soon as he

1231
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:17,820
puts in the first podcasting 2.0
Tag support. It's all over. All

1232
01:12:17,820 --> 01:12:20,670
over. I'm going to work. I'm
going to work hard on getting

1233
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:23,610
him on the show. So we can we
can talk about it. Oh,

1234
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,480
that'd be cool. That would be a
good get, as we say in the

1235
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:28,050
business.

1236
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,810
He does. I think he does shows
every now and then. Yeah, very

1237
01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:34,500
often. But yeah. Thank you,
Mark. I really appreciate it.

1238
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:37,140
That's one of the biggest
sustaining donations that we

1239
01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:41,400
have on a monthly basis. And
Mike this is all over the map

1240
01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:44,820
the ad usually everything nice
to separate a bit it's just a

1241
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:49,740
big pile of paper right now.
Michael Gagan give us $5 And and

1242
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:53,520
I think yeah Michael gun he's a
monthly supporter. Thank you

1243
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,690
Michael. Charles current give us
$5 That's a monthly

1244
01:12:58,289 --> 01:13:01,589
as these things matter a lot
that's a whole server.

1245
01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:08,009
Yeah, it is yeah the $5 servers
at five bucks pays for a one of

1246
01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:13,349
our ingest mesh core one of our
meant core search boxes

1247
01:13:13,589 --> 01:13:16,169
Hey and even with Is there any
inflation on that yet from

1248
01:13:16,169 --> 01:13:16,739
Linode?

1249
01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:21,120
No, no, they were they somehow
managed to resist the

1250
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,790
inflationary pressure. Oh good.
It's PPP money. Chris bars Ron's

1251
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:32,010
and is 2552 Nice little new. We
call it numerology Palindrome,

1252
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:41,340
Palindrome that's it. It says go
podcasting. Indeed. Thank you,

1253
01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:45,120
Chris, that Timothy Hudgens. My
buddy, give us $25 That's a

1254
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:50,250
recurring monthly. Thank you,
Tim. Might be sent in and I'm

1255
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:55,440
not sure David would find. Give
us $3 That he's a monthly Thank

1256
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,980
you, David. Oh, we got a new
automatic get a new monthly

1257
01:13:58,980 --> 01:14:03,150
subscription from and I'm
thinking this is the yep, this

1258
01:14:03,150 --> 01:14:10,020
Dutch dollar a month but his
name is vessel. Proust.

1259
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:13,530
Is it vessels The first one was
the last name I spell it?

1260
01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:20,190
Tr o s t roast? Roast? Yes.
That's a tourist. Is it is that

1261
01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:21,810
perfect? Didn't I nail Yeah, you

1262
01:14:21,810 --> 01:14:24,090
Nailed it. Nailed it. You're
Dutchman now.

1263
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,490
Okay, he's from from the
Netherlands. Thank

1264
01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:27,000
you vessel

1265
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:34,110
Yeah. Let's see Oh, survive on
the mastodon survived lavosh He

1266
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:38,460
gave us $5 That's a monthly
donation. He's that they're

1267
01:14:38,460 --> 01:14:40,830
still working on their podcast
system there.

1268
01:14:40,919 --> 01:14:41,939
Now. What are they working on?

1269
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,470
This I had a meeting with with
his house and he was coming is

1270
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:46,680
it.

1271
01:14:47,190 --> 01:14:49,650
You had a meeting and you didn't
invite me? No,

1272
01:14:49,650 --> 01:14:54,210
no, it's just like two months.
Yeah. Soon thing. I'm not I'm

1273
01:14:54,210 --> 01:14:55,740
not allowed to have meetings.

1274
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:58,080
Meetings without me know

1275
01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:04,380
Let's see Keith Gibson, big
supporter if for a long time

1276
01:15:04,380 --> 01:15:11,640
give us $50 As a $50 Thank you,
Keith. Dwayne Goldy long timer

1277
01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:18,540
$8 $8 a month. Thank you for
joining Paul Erskine. $11.14

1278
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:20,310
That's another monthly Thank
you.

1279
01:15:20,430 --> 01:15:21,210
Interesting number.

1280
01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:25,440
Thank you. Oh, yeah, he missed
it it added up at the end of the

1281
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,480
year you total them all up and
it adds up to something.

1282
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:30,450
Oh, he's got an annual donation
got it. Cool. Yeah.

1283
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:36,930
Oh, here we go. Benjamin
Bellamy. Our buddy yes off. 50

1284
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:42,270
gives $50 Oh, thanks. says thank
you for your unwavering

1285
01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:46,200
dedication to keep podcasting
open. Happy podcasting. 2.0 A

1286
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,600
year ago podcasting Viva la
boos. Yes.

1287
01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:58,980
And now as the French say, it is
timeful loose. It must hurt a

1288
01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:04,830
Frenchman to do the accentuated
French accent as a gag It must

1289
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:07,440
hurt him it's really appreciated
Benjamin Thank you.

1290
01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:12,960
I think he gets loads of
amusement from it probably yes

1291
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:13,590
yes yeah, the

1292
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:16,140
French are so much smarter than
we are this you just above it.

1293
01:16:16,170 --> 01:16:19,920
Oh yes, I make them laugh.
Little American podcast people's

1294
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,700
plebes flips the podcast plebs.

1295
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:27,900
Okay, we've got a new we guess
those are papers we get some

1296
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:32,220
booster grams that we get Yeah,
we've also got a new new jingle

1297
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:33,960
Oh hello.

1298
01:16:34,830 --> 01:16:35,940
from Cali bear

1299
01:16:35,940 --> 01:16:42,720
I seem to I seem to hear him
both post from last week. Love

1300
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:42,840
it

1301
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,070
nice

1302
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,050
cows loading this up man it's
like a Training

1303
01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,030
link to that is in the show
notes it's the boost bait link

1304
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:01,140
if you're looking for it

1305
01:17:01,770 --> 01:17:04,800
don't you want to do this tom?
Thomas Don't you want to get on

1306
01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:08,280
get in on the on the boosting
link and sets booster gram train

1307
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:09,300
it's awesome

1308
01:17:12,150 --> 01:17:14,040
Thomas's like left the room

1309
01:17:16,710 --> 01:17:21,510
No, yeah. Like I said I it's a
different world for me. I don't

1310
01:17:22,260 --> 01:17:24,690
I don't know how can I accept
crypto payment on iOS?

1311
01:17:25,470 --> 01:17:29,070
We give we don't understand any
of the details we just give you

1312
01:17:29,070 --> 01:17:32,160
a rational pressure to try to
make you do thing that's just

1313
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:32,940
how it works around you.

1314
01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:37,170
We can show you we can show you
how to do that with wallets and

1315
01:17:37,170 --> 01:17:39,090
everything when when you're
ready for Thomas.

1316
01:17:39,450 --> 01:17:47,610
Yeah, yeah. A breeze anonymous
6969 SAS showed show donation

1317
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:52,350
from last week. Nice and the
message is simply boost boosts

1318
01:17:55,050 --> 01:18:01,800
what we got here up drips got
10,000 SATs go podcasting.

1319
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:07,200
Yeah thank you Dr. Scott man the
Bruce Wayne is podcasting 2.0

1320
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:13,020
He's like can I do more can I
like you know change your tires

1321
01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:16,650
I'll do anything I want to do
more for podcasting 2.0 dread

1322
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,390
you are going above and beyond
brother above and beyond. He's

1323
01:18:21,390 --> 01:18:25,800
the the the chapter factory una
chapter good names a good name

1324
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,010
chapter factory and even

1325
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:36,300
blueberry gave us the fountain
gave us a 12 by 12,121 says One

1326
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:41,880
to One to One. Thank you
Palindrome one boost to boost

1327
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,230
red boost blue boost

1328
01:18:43,230 --> 01:18:44,220
yeah

1329
01:18:46,170 --> 01:18:52,080
as a lyricist we get some new
names in here by the way too. We

1330
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:57,240
got see through fountain you got
a 3330 sets from somebody named

1331
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:58,290
horn loaded

1332
01:18:59,310 --> 01:19:02,310
no one load has been around I
think so no agenda person maybe

1333
01:19:02,730 --> 01:19:06,990
okay my rep was dragged was
pushing boosting on no agenda

1334
01:19:06,990 --> 01:19:10,200
social pretty hard so I think
he's he's pushing people the

1335
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,260
Rogan appearance may start to
kick in a little bit this stuff

1336
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:15,540
there it comes in waves go slow

1337
01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:21,000
yeah dread doing doing more even
more work? Go podcasting is what

1338
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:28,470
Hornet is Yeah. Here we go. Mere
Mortals podcast. This is from

1339
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:34,920
our buddy Kyron 4321 SAS 4321
through fountain A says, Does

1340
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,480
does this hinted at company as
the ability to onboard people

1341
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:42,960
worldwide. I would love to give
specific instructions to

1342
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,950
listeners and what needs to
change based on location. always

1343
01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:50,790
hearing about cool things until
the end sentence is except if

1344
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:56,130
you live in X. I know this pain
all too well where we're the

1345
01:19:56,130 --> 01:20:01,560
world's taint. Australia, the
world's team I like, and I'll be

1346
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,150
at extremely large and
testerone.

1347
01:20:05,310 --> 01:20:07,950
Did you put that in his note?
Yes, yes.

1348
01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:11,850
Australia is the origin
testerone filled tank of the

1349
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:12,570
world. Hey,

1350
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:17,940
this is a tight mate. So we
actually had a meeting with with

1351
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:23,340
said company, and which was
interesting. We we learned a lot

1352
01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:29,400
about their business. And where
we're at right now is, indeed

1353
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,400
they would like to do it
worldwide. I don't know if they

1354
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,520
actually have that mechanism. It
seemed like they don't have it

1355
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,340
yet. But that that is the
intent. And we discussed that

1356
01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:39,150
specifically.

1357
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:43,080
Yeah. And there seemed like part
of it and they work in the other

1358
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:44,880
and part of it might not.

1359
01:20:45,420 --> 01:20:50,730
Yeah, well, the one part that
may actually work is that you

1360
01:20:50,730 --> 01:20:54,180
know, what they want to do is
very simple. A sign up bonus,

1361
01:20:54,180 --> 01:20:59,160
you sign up to buy bitcoin
through them, they give you $5 A

1362
01:20:59,190 --> 01:21:04,140
free insets right into your
podcast wallet. That's the idea.

1363
01:21:05,940 --> 01:21:09,660
So we'll have to talk about the
tank territories.

1364
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,120
Territories

1365
01:21:12,180 --> 01:21:16,710
these guys seem like they want
to move fast. So we're, we'll

1366
01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:20,130
we'll keep you posted. I'm sure
hope so. But I understand that

1367
01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:22,830
and I know it's one of
Cleveland's biggest complaints

1368
01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:28,740
and this rightly so. But this is
a There you go this is the this

1369
01:21:28,740 --> 01:21:32,010
is this is a problem that
Bitcoin solves everybody can use

1370
01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:36,030
Bitcoin all over the world right
now today sending value to any

1371
01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:38,220
podcast or anywhere in the
world. And

1372
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:41,340
the problem the problem here is
not the Bitcoin The problem here

1373
01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:43,560
is the traditional banking and
finance

1374
01:21:43,589 --> 01:21:47,669
industry. Yes, so but you can
buy bitcoin somewhere in

1375
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:49,079
Australia, I presume?

1376
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:57,390
Yes. hardhat give us 22 To
22 22,222 SATs road ducks oh yes

1377
01:21:57,390 --> 01:21:58,800
is happy content

1378
01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:10,800
chair Pharaoh gave us 3333 sets
through fountain he says All

1379
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,570
Aboard trains good planes bad.

1380
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,540
Oh shoot man. Oh, you

1381
01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:17,100
didn't have it loaded up? No.

1382
01:22:17,370 --> 01:22:20,400
How do I know that? Oh, yeah,
they're gonna hear me go.

1383
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:31,200
Trains planes anonymous threw
breeze gave us a row of ducks.

1384
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,710
2222 And he says great new row
of ducks. Boost jingle Yeah,

1385
01:22:34,740 --> 01:22:35,700
we'd like it a lot.

1386
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,780
Brian of London through curio
caster said he gets a 19,400 ad

1387
01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:50,220
sets. He says add up my boost
amount for that mention. Adam,

1388
01:22:50,220 --> 01:22:53,160
thank you. I would honestly say
that your words about pod paying

1389
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,020
are the best thing I've ever
been told about anything I've

1390
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:58,440
ever built on a computer even
beyond my PhD. It means a huge

1391
01:22:58,440 --> 01:22:59,070
amount to me.

1392
01:22:59,940 --> 01:23:05,460
Wow, a heartfelt note. Well, and
it just so happens. I do have

1393
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:10,140
diplomas that I hand out for for
these occasions so that not only

1394
01:23:10,830 --> 01:23:13,770
was it a better feeling than
your PhD, I will top it with a

1395
01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:18,330
very nice certificate. But it's
but I meant it. Brian and I

1396
01:23:18,330 --> 01:23:21,390
appreciate you using the booster
Graham to contribute content to

1397
01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:21,840
the show.

1398
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:28,080
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Brian
and Alex for all yes work you're

1399
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,870
putting into Park pod paying
it's it's killer using pod ping

1400
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:31,710
in any way. Thomas.

1401
01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:35,940
I was actually just exploring
that this past week to figure

1402
01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:39,330
out the best way to connect it
to our systems. Okay, so I

1403
01:23:39,330 --> 01:23:40,860
definitely plan to in the near
future.

1404
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,940
Hit me up with any thing you
need. I mean, it's all very

1405
01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:48,330
simplistic from the consumption
and so I can I can give you code

1406
01:23:48,330 --> 01:23:50,700
or whatever, you know, whatever
you need for to make that

1407
01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:57,360
happen. It's very simple. John,
John's wbrt gave us 49 For

1408
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:03,960
90 49,490 sets. Wow fountain, he
says putts ah making up for last

1409
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:09,390
week. Nice John's you're you're
redeemed. That's a good player

1410
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:09,990
he redeemed

1411
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:13,380
yes that's that's a nice dollar
amount that's good Fiat fun

1412
01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:13,920
stuff.

1413
01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:19,800
Brian mozzie give us 2222 Road
ducks through fountain he says

1414
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:20,610
boost

1415
01:24:22,230 --> 01:24:25,110
I got to record you saying that
sometime because that's that's

1416
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:25,980
getting pretty good.

1417
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:33,900
I'm working on it. Sir bargy
gave us 1500 sets and he says go

1418
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:43,470
podcasting. He said he gets
technically it could be SEO sir

1419
01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:50,850
bargy again. 1500 sets go
podcasting. Sir Bill 2222 Road

1420
01:24:50,850 --> 01:24:53,580
ducks through fountain he says
couldn't stop laughing at the

1421
01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:53,850
duck

1422
01:24:56,970 --> 01:24:57,690
like it too.

1423
01:24:58,169 --> 01:25:02,609
Yeah, you're a psychic my
friend. Signs of new growth.

1424
01:25:03,059 --> 01:25:05,549
Interesting. I guess that's I
think that's the name of part of

1425
01:25:05,549 --> 01:25:10,229
a podcast. Give us a 33,333 says
Holy

1426
01:25:10,290 --> 01:25:12,270
cow. Very nice. Thank you.

1427
01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:19,380
In the messages, signs of new
sets sounds a new growth. I'm

1428
01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:21,000
pretty sure that's a podcast.
Yeah, it

1429
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,890
sounds like it sounds right.
Yeah.

1430
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:29,610
Okay. Our buddy cast Pelland
3300 sets through fountain and

1431
01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:32,910
he says, haha, boost boost
chelator

1432
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,610
is that Dutch booster later? No
boost you later alligator.

1433
01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:43,200
Thanks for the work Sunday. I
need to explain my nickname,

1434
01:25:43,290 --> 01:25:45,030
wink. I would love

1435
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:46,410
to hear the news. Oh, boy.

1436
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:52,800
I want to hear that story. Okay.
Adam is less enthusiastic. Yeah.

1437
01:25:53,070 --> 01:25:55,830
Well, you know that the Dutch
this just a little bit of

1438
01:25:55,830 --> 01:26:01,050
history. When Napoleon conquered
the Netherlands at the time,

1439
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,760
they made everybody register
with the government with you

1440
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,570
know, with with this new
tyrannical government and the

1441
01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:13,290
Dutch very, very typical. They
said, Oh, okay. Yeah, sure.

1442
01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:17,970
We'll register What's your name?
My name is John's son. Okay.

1443
01:26:18,420 --> 01:26:21,120
Yeah. And so you have the
weirdest names you know, there's

1444
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,670
a lot of baker's What's your
name? Baker? You know, cuz the

1445
01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:26,970
guy was a baker. What's your
name? Butcher. Okay, John

1446
01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:29,580
Butcher. And so this to this
day, there are people with the

1447
01:26:29,580 --> 01:26:33,390
weirdest names like you know,
butts scratcher and stuff. But

1448
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:35,760
it's really, because you know,
of course, some of these people

1449
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:41,490
got drunk like Vinay Yeah, but
scratch your feet buds. Gotcha.

1450
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:43,770
Yeah. What's your name? Seymour.
And

1451
01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:50,040
advocate Ben Dover. Yeah, yeah,
it'd be that became, you know,

1452
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:53,550
the the record. They wrote it
down, and everyone stuck with

1453
01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:56,760
it. So whenever there's a Dutch
an explanation of a Dutch name,

1454
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:59,250
I kind of hold on to my my hat.
And you never know what's

1455
01:26:59,250 --> 01:26:59,640
coming.

1456
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,700
It's not my grandmother. She
never knew how old she was or

1457
01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:05,340
any of her relatives where she
had to go look in the

1458
01:27:05,340 --> 01:27:09,450
everybody's to write it down in
the Bible in the front pages of

1459
01:27:09,450 --> 01:27:11,250
the Bible. I don't know if
there's any other country that

1460
01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:16,320
did this. But like, the first
maybe 10 pages of all the family

1461
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,370
Bibles in the US had a genealogy
section and you would write down

1462
01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:23,340
your mom, your dad, your
brothers, your sisters and when

1463
01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:27,180
they were born. I don't know why
it was that way. But like that's

1464
01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:29,700
it had room for that. And you
put in the sheet that you'd go

1465
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:32,220
look it up. You know, I was
like, I don't know. I don't

1466
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:32,580
remember.

1467
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:33,810
She lost the Bible.

1468
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:40,770
Yeah, yeah. See this interested?
Fountain? This is from somebody

1469
01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:43,290
gave us one set. Thanks.

1470
01:27:45,810 --> 01:27:51,720
Well it's literally a set

1471
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:55,920
streamer. Okay. What app lets
this happen? Fountain the

1472
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,750
fountain stops out immediately.

1473
01:27:57,870 --> 01:28:02,430
Oscar shut this down. But he did
have a nice note. It says thanks

1474
01:28:02,430 --> 01:28:06,990
for having Hasma cook on the
show. Yeah, well, you're

1475
01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:08,130
welcome. You know, there's your

1476
01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:11,160
Bitcoin community your
philanthropic Bitcoin community

1477
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,660
everybody. Thanks for the SAT.

1478
01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:21,450
Scott gave us 10,420 sets to
fountain nicaise First, thanks

1479
01:28:21,450 --> 01:28:27,900
to everyone. Go podcasting. 2.0
Yeah, I guess. Around 2010 i

1480
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:31,440
created a Cannabis News and
cannabis entrepreneur podcast

1481
01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:34,830
and tried starting a cannabis
podcast network called cannabis

1482
01:28:34,830 --> 01:28:38,910
be Podcast Network pollinating
minds. It might be time to

1483
01:28:38,910 --> 01:28:41,910
resurrect the website and gear
it all around podcasting. 2.0 I

1484
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:42,390
agree.

1485
01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:47,520
Yeah, completely ma'am. I have
been a bit of a lot of people

1486
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,600
out there would support it.
Because it's very hard to do ads

1487
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,210
and stuff. It's hard to even
bank if you if you're selling

1488
01:28:54,210 --> 01:28:58,380
weed or promoting it or talking
about it. It's very difficult.

1489
01:28:58,709 --> 01:29:03,059
Is Jamaica a big market for KY
iOS phones there? Thomas?

1490
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,440
Check. I think so.

1491
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:12,300
Alright, they got Chinese crap
in there. I think it's all they

1492
01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:18,510
got Huawei. Like the island?
Yes. You're in Jamaica. China

1493
01:29:18,510 --> 01:29:19,710
took over Jamaica. i

1494
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:27,480
Okay. Well, join the club. CO
McCormick gave us 333 sets the

1495
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:36,780
fountain he says I'm working on
my shit. Okay. All right. Good

1496
01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:42,750
luck with that cool. See? Oh,
lemon creations. Our buddy Andy

1497
01:29:42,750 --> 01:29:46,890
Lehmann gave us 222 sets.
Through fountain he says Dave

1498
01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:51,090
Thanks for making hella pad. The
now almost unbroken Hello Pat. I

1499
01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:54,810
will talk about that later. I
love hearing the pew pew as

1500
01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:58,890
abuse as a boost comes in abuse
is what I said abuse. I love

1501
01:29:58,890 --> 01:30:01,800
hearing the pew pew as it Boost
comes in. If you have not

1502
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,880
checked out my podcast dudes and
dads podcast, go to dudes and

1503
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:10,200
dads podcast.com or any new
podcast app. Thank you for all

1504
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,780
you do with podcast index. Well
you're welcome Andy. I think

1505
01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:19,920
that's it we got a couple more.
Almost almost here through it

1506
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,630
again. Nomad Joe gave us 500
sets. He says a boosting to hear

1507
01:30:24,630 --> 01:30:27,510
the cowbell. cowbell cowbell.

1508
01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:31,530
I haven't had I haven't had a
cowbell in the studio for 567

1509
01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:35,730
years. I don't have account. Oh
man. I'm sorry. How you doing?

1510
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:42,270
I got that for you. That's it.
That's pretty close. And oh,

1511
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:46,110
wait, somebody else came in.
This looks like the same person

1512
01:30:46,110 --> 01:30:50,760
that gave us one set. But he
gave us 2112 says this time? Oh

1513
01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:56,340
yes, sir. Pilgrim. I wonder if
that's Harry pilgrim says. Hey,

1514
01:30:56,340 --> 01:30:59,820
Dave, help Adam. The correct way
to pronounce this boost is a

1515
01:30:59,820 --> 01:31:03,180
2112. I'll give him a break on
Rush since he grew up in

1516
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:03,600
Holland.

1517
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:08,760
Yes, a rush boost. I know. I
recognize the rush boosts

1518
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:13,320
Don't just stand there. Boost.
Comic Strip blogger rounding it

1519
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:18,030
out. Give us 10,033 says through
pod friend nice. He says

1520
01:31:18,270 --> 01:31:22,200
greetings to Dave Jones into the
end to hubby if Tina the keeper.

1521
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:25,890
You're welcome to live. So
you're now known as the husband

1522
01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:26,790
of Tina. Oh, yeah,

1523
01:31:26,850 --> 01:31:30,150
I know. She's taken over. She's
She's now a podcast star. She's

1524
01:31:30,150 --> 01:31:34,800
got the bug. She's like making
lists of topics and emailing

1525
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,880
with people and making new album
art. I know I've unleashed a

1526
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:39,540
beast.

1527
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:42,720
All the nine year olds in my
West. My wife's name is Melissa

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01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,920
all the nine year olds in her
class in her classroom. Call me

1529
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,260
Mr. Melissa. Ooh, nice.

1530
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:54,090
Melissa, Mr. Willis has a cool
truck.

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01:31:55,470 --> 01:31:58,320
Greetings, Dave Jones in the
hubby of Tina the keeper. You're

1532
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,080
welcome to listen to our podcast
about artificial intelligence

1533
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:05,190
and titled AI cooking. Led by
former BBC actor Gregory William

1534
01:32:05,190 --> 01:32:09,480
Forsythe foreman, from Kent in
old England. Just search in any

1535
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:12,360
podcast app for AI cooking to
find this podcast yo,

1536
01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:17,490
yo, and thank you to all of our
boosters and our our other

1537
01:32:17,490 --> 01:32:20,220
contributors, our monthly
especially thank you all so much

1538
01:32:20,220 --> 01:32:25,320
for supporting podcasting 2.0.
It's a slow grind, but the

1539
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,340
growth is really, if you when in
doubt, zoom out. It's been

1540
01:32:29,340 --> 01:32:34,230
spectacular what we've done so
far. And from zero to a year and

1541
01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:37,860
a half in it had the ability to
do this and have this feedback

1542
01:32:37,860 --> 01:32:40,320
loop. And podcasting is
extremely exciting. Here's your

1543
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,710
cue to boost. You know you want
to

1544
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:48,630
Thomas, you got time for one
more question or you got a bell?

1545
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,030
Yeah, I got done. I just want to
ask you about live I finally got

1546
01:32:54,030 --> 01:32:57,660
the live tags situated is done.
It's baked? I'm not touching it

1547
01:32:57,660 --> 01:33:04,260
anymore. I'm done. So do Do you
have? Is there any way you think

1548
01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:09,000
you could do like a live
streaming in in a KY iOS phone?

1549
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,380
Or do you think it's just too
limited?

1550
01:33:12,030 --> 01:33:16,110
Live streaming is definitely
possible. I haven't looked into

1551
01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:19,740
what it what it looks like under
the hood? Is it HTTP Live

1552
01:33:19,740 --> 01:33:21,480
Streaming? HLS? Or is it
something else?

1553
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:27,300
Well, it'll say the spec calls
for highly, you know, it,

1554
01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:31,590
here's, here's the way the spec
reads, it's like live item looks

1555
01:33:31,620 --> 01:33:36,930
just like the regular item with
just a couple of added

1556
01:33:36,930 --> 01:33:40,290
properties. And that's a start
time and end time and a status

1557
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:45,900
attribute this sit on the live
item element itself. And then

1558
01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:52,080
everything else inside of the
live item. tag element, all the

1559
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,480
children of it are the same
identical stuff that you would

1560
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:59,190
find in a regular podcast item
tag. And so then, but the only

1561
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:03,150
the wording around it is we
really want you to have like all

1562
01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:06,150
three of these tags and
enclosure as give me an

1563
01:34:06,150 --> 01:34:12,450
alternate enclosure, a regular
enclosure with and then a

1564
01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:16,770
fallback Content link URL that
somebody can link out if if the

1565
01:34:16,770 --> 01:34:21,000
app just cannot support the
stream at all. So the dad and

1566
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,840
then there's also wording in
there that suggests a you know,

1567
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,080
even though alternate enclosure
can handle lots and lots of

1568
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:32,550
different various codecs and
transport protocols, you really

1569
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:36,450
kind of want to start with
supporting the basics of just an

1570
01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:41,370
mp3 stream and an mp4 stream if
it's video to try to like

1571
01:34:41,370 --> 01:34:44,190
maximize compatibility across
platforms. So that's that's sort

1572
01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:45,510
of the rundown real quick.

1573
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:50,520
Yeah, I would say I can
definitely take a look. I'll

1574
01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:54,300
poke around and find some folks
that are supporting and see if I

1575
01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:58,110
can test it out just on one of
my devices, but I don't see if

1576
01:34:58,110 --> 01:35:01,170
it's, if it's MPEG streaming out
why it wouldn't work? It would

1577
01:35:01,170 --> 01:35:03,600
be so odd to have live streaming
on these devices.

1578
01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:08,370
That would be so cool, man. Can
you trigger an alert?

1579
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:12,870
Oh, yeah, we can trigger a push
notification. So if you have

1580
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:15,060
like a subscription and the
subscription had a new live item

1581
01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:17,490
coming up something that was
like, hey, there's a you know,

1582
01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:18,480
something streaming right now.

1583
01:35:18,660 --> 01:35:26,640
Yeah, this hot new Bollywood
podcaster. Hurry. Curry is live.

1584
01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:30,030
Yes, that's, that's how it's
gonna hook into one of the ways

1585
01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:34,050
that pod ping is gonna come into
this is that pod pod thing. The

1586
01:35:34,050 --> 01:35:36,960
next version of it that they're
about to release is gonna have

1587
01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:40,470
another thing to note. Yeah,
live notifications. So when a

1588
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:44,760
podcast is live item, when it
flips when it goes on air, so to

1589
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,240
speak, a special pod paying will
go out saying it's now

1590
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,240
broadcasting. So that's that's
the way you would get useful to

1591
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,360
like, pass through that, that
notification down to the to the

1592
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:54,870
device.

1593
01:35:56,010 --> 01:35:58,500
That'd be perfect. Yeah, right
now we batch notification just

1594
01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:00,990
as a cost saving measure. So
they're not real time. But if

1595
01:36:00,990 --> 01:36:03,690
there was a way to tap into
that, that would be pretty cool.

1596
01:36:04,169 --> 01:36:06,839
Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'll
definitely work on the will

1597
01:36:06,839 --> 01:36:10,469
probably will pilot it with
this, for sure. And then we

1598
01:36:10,499 --> 01:36:13,619
there's a couple of other feeds.
And no, sir Spencer's working

1599
01:36:13,619 --> 01:36:17,489
on. Does there'll be plenty of
to test against with within the

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01:36:17,489 --> 01:36:18,689
next short period of time, I
think.

1601
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,800
Yeah, just combine that with the
real time transcript, right.

1602
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:27,090
We've got the support for was it
the SRT and the web VTT formats.

1603
01:36:27,150 --> 01:36:29,880
It's pretty cool. You could have
it, like live streaming and live

1604
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:30,570
captions.

1605
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:31,830
That would be awesome.

1606
01:36:32,010 --> 01:36:34,830
How do I how do I make live
captions? Where do I get that

1607
01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:36,540
from? I don't know.

1608
01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:40,170
That's where you haven't built
question.

1609
01:36:41,790 --> 01:36:44,880
This is what I'm still on my to
do list. Once again, another

1610
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,180
board meeting where this always
happens in every board on every

1611
01:36:48,180 --> 01:36:51,180
board I've ever been on every
board meeting. There's always

1612
01:36:51,210 --> 01:36:55,890
one or two items that just never
get addressed. And Ryan Heiss,

1613
01:36:55,890 --> 01:36:59,250
his transcript service. I know
I'm ignoring him because I don't

1614
01:36:59,250 --> 01:37:02,370
understand what's going on. I
need help understanding because

1615
01:37:02,370 --> 01:37:05,340
this, I know the guy has
something I think the hits. I'm

1616
01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:07,860
telling you. This guy has
something I can't figure it out.

1617
01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:12,570
So James Quinlan, talk to Ryan
highs, please. Well, Chris

1618
01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:15,180
Curtin is good at this stuff.
He's good at the transcripts.

1619
01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:19,320
I had so much notes as so many
notes on here and we we spent

1620
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,720
the whole time talking about
solar panels and I know what

1621
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:25,890
is wrong with those water
batteries. I'm so I'm ashamed

1622
01:37:25,890 --> 01:37:26,220
now.

1623
01:37:26,580 --> 01:37:30,330
Alright, next week, we will we
will get into oil, we'll get

1624
01:37:30,330 --> 01:37:32,550
deep into tech promise.

1625
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:38,160
Thomas Barrasso is the developer
of pod LP is storming the the

1626
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,610
emerging markets I'm very
excited for you very excited for

1627
01:37:41,610 --> 01:37:45,450
podcasting and, and really love
that you're doing this man.

1628
01:37:45,450 --> 01:37:47,130
Appreciate you coming into the
board today.

1629
01:37:48,540 --> 01:37:50,400
Thank you, I appreciate you
having me and all the work that

1630
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,710
you guys are doing. Super
helpful, like I mentioned,

1631
01:37:52,710 --> 01:37:55,350
especially for a platform like
us to be able to piggyback and

1632
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:58,200
maybe get some tags that'll help
us out in the future.

1633
01:37:59,790 --> 01:38:02,880
Thanks if you ever need anything
at all, any help at all piping,

1634
01:38:02,940 --> 01:38:07,500
any of that jazz just just hit
me up or metro fingertip. I

1635
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:08,250
appreciate it. Thank

1636
01:38:08,370 --> 01:38:14,400
you says that to all the girls.
that's it everybody. Join us

1637
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,090
again next week for another
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01:38:18,090 --> 01:38:18,630
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