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podcasting 2.0 for December
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here man. Well, at least that
was what happened last week.

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learned a lot from that. Hello
everybody time once again for

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the board meaning of podcasting.
2.0 we talk about all things

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going on to podcasts. index.org
the podcast namespace and of

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course, the genius development.
It's a blue light at night the

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hovering creativity over a
podcast index dot social. I'm

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Adam curry here in the heart of
Hill Country, Texas and in

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Alabama, the steam locomotive of
development my friend on the

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other end, ladies and gentlemen,
Mr. J. Jones. What's the

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etymology

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of the phrase? I'm fixing?
Fixing to? Um, yeah, like, I'm

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like, I'm like, I'm fixing this
submit this app to the Umbral

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thing immediately I'm thinking
covered wagon I'm making a

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Chuck's to I'm fixing to make
some hooks Could it be that

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cookie?

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Girl cookie? Yeah, exactly. You
know, like I'm fixing to throw

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this mask in the trash because
I'm so sick of this crap. Know

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what? I don't know where that
came to came from. There's a

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there's also what's the other
one? Oh, I'll get out these

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gotta be southern phrase. They
must be You must be tired is all

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get out. I said even I

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don't use that one myself. So
I'm not sure what that means.

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Yeah, but Dave, First Things
First things first, man. We

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missed you. We miss you. We
missed a board meeting. We

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missed you. It was a ghost town
podcast index dot social known

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with doing anything. It was it
was like everything just stopped

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just Oh Dave's not here, man.
All right. So I'll do gave

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everybody we gave everybody
permission to take the week off.

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Is that what Okay? That's a
sabbatical.

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After a year and a half he gets
a sabbatical.

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How was how was your vacation?
You went to tell us great. You

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went to Universal or did
Universal

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Orlando. Universal Studios
Orlando. And we have never been

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and we plan this trip like so.
We had planned to to send my

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kids my My oldest is she's 20.
And then again, our 20 year old

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19 year old. So for sort of like
a combo senior thing and like

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just they're old enough and
we're going to give them this

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this gift for for Christmas of
we're really close to Orlando

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enough to Florida so you can dry
it's very drivable. So we're

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like, Okay, we're gonna give you
all this trip. And we bought

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them some tickets to universal
and then they were going to go

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and this was in December of
2019. So Wow. Yeah, they Yeah,

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they get to take isn't your
thing. And then like, by the

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time they seriously before
school was out COVID hit? Yeah.

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So they never did the whole
thing fell apart in it. So we

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were like, Well, why don't we?
We have we haven't personally

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been on a family vacation in
about three years. So we went to

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they were like, let's just do it
all together. So we all went and

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it was man, we had a blast. Oh,
nice. Oh, it was so fun. And I

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can tell you this. As far as
COVID goes, Florida's Florida

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does not care about COVID
anymore. I mean, they have just

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forgotten that whole thing even
exists. They

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also have the lowest case
positivity rate in the nation.

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Interestingly, interestingly
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I can tell you this what it It
ain't because of masks because

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we I didn't see him. I saw maybe
a grand total of 100 masks the

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entire week that we were there
doesn't just need me in like

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sardines.

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Do the parks there do they make
you put on the RFID bracelet?

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No, that's that's those Disney
only Yeah, this is a universal

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studios that didn't they don't
they really don't have anything

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like that? Yeah. No, it was just
man. It was great. Yeah, road

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road roller coasters that I'm
too old to ride. But you're tall

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enough myself. Yeah. Yeah. No,
it was it was great, man. We had

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a good time. It was nice to it's
just nice to be away for a while

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in focus. You know, cuz my 20
year old she moved. She moved

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out of the house. Or three weeks
ago. Oh, really? Four weeks ago.

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She Well, she's still in town
here. But she just she's just

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like, you know, I'm out of here.
I want to

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I want to have someone come over
and hang out and party. Minds.

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31 days this I get to do this
for you for a long time.

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I didn't ask for that. Well, we
think about these things.

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Well, I'm serious. Oh, man, we
really miss you. You're such a

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driving force behind everything
that people should be boosting

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this show right now. To get Dave
out of his current employment.

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We need your full time man. When
is your full time

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anyway, I guess somehow got the
Umbral app. Done there was

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that and yes, I mean, it's now
it hasn't been okay first of

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all, the Umbral app is heli pad
and heavy pad is very exciting

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piece of software Dave has been
working on and that is so that

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you can read booster grams if
you're using an Umbral you can

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read the booster grams as they
come in, accompanied by a little

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pew. Yeah, I think I think I
must have that pew pew. Yeah, I

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gotta have the Pew somewhere.
Yes. So it's just one of these

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little that's basically it. And
then you know that this is a new

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booster grant. And it's been
fantastic. Because I've been

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running it for I think two weeks
now. Maybe? No, no. Yes. Do you

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have it hooked up to you? So I
have with Adam curry, and I

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released an episode with Texas
slim. So that all goes to that

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node 5% of what is it? I have a
small split just for testing.

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Oh, the MO facts just like he
just so I can get the boosted

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Rams in the studio. And then I
have a small split on the no

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agenda feed which you know, that
all goes to the index anyway. So

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so I can get the no agenda
boosts which people are boosting

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unrequested, which is kind of
cool.

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Yeah, that is cool. Because I
see those go through sometimes

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when somebody will do an all
parties boost. And I'll see him

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I'm like, they're their booster
sending booster grants with

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messages. And then I guess they
don't realize that nobody can

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see me they don't care, or well,
I

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can see him now. So now I can
see it. I got a really cool. And

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I had a great experience.
Actually, I'm sorry. Do you mind

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if I just do divert for a
second, then we'll come back to

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helipad. And

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I would love for you to tell me
about great experience, please.

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I started a new podcast,
completely fresh, completely

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podcasting. 2.0 So only
submitted to podcast index. It

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will be only value for value.
It's a curry in the keeper.

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Guaranteed not to be in the
Apple top podcast List of 2022.

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It's definitely not. And it was
really an interesting

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experience. Because we we
launched it. I tried to add it

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through my pod pairing script,
but I guess it doesn't have the

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right pipe juice or whatever.

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We don't pick it up directly we
Chris. Chris picks that up and

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then in circles it back around.

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Is that is that? Oh, okay. So is
that why? Why it was in there

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twice.

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That is because there's two
routes to to the to all of your

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feeds. All of your feeds have
two possible URLs, they can all

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go through mp3. Or or feed or
feed. Yeah. Okay.

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Anyway, so we launch and then
you know, I post on Twitter, no

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agenda social. And a number of
people immediately said, Oh,

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it's not on my podcast app yet.
Wow. What an opportunity. Oh,

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it's okay. Because it probably
won't me because it's not

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podcasting. 2.0 compatible. And
go to new podcast apps calm so

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we got we onboard a lot of
people but also right away.

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Within minutes of release. We
see SATs coming in we see

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booster grams coming in. Nice
sense that gives you such a

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satisfactory experience. It's
like man, people are listening

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to it right now. I mean, this is
what was on the radio. You

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wanted to know if people is
anyone out there is anyone

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listening? And you know it you
know that someone's literally

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listening at that moment, and
then they send stuff back. I

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even got a note from Steven B.
From curio Casta. He's like

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writing the whole story to me in
a booster gram. So it was a

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great experience. We're going to
keep it all 2.0 We do it on the

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alternate weeks when I do mo
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Cool. I haven't listened to it.
I'm eager to listen to it that

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I've heard I've heard that Tina
is a natural born pocket. Oh

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my god and and I hooked her up.
I set her up on the Bill

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Davidson. Bill Davidson helped
build that Hi should know this

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bill. Helman Bill Hellman I
think he gave me anointment TM

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TLM 103

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That's like a serious expensive
microphone. Yes,

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that's like $900 or something to
craziest mic and fortina This

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thing is made for her. See for
me, it's like I'm spitting all

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over this thing. She likes to
you know, she she's not. I'm a

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DJ guy. Right? So I I'm blasting
into the pipe in front of my

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face. And she's kind of like
moving around a little bit and

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that mic sounds so good, man.
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is that is that a condenser?
Yeah. Oh wow. So it's real. It's

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real sensitive then.

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Yeah, but it's in fact, I don't
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a pantyhose from 1998 I think.
And we cut off, cut off the toe,

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cut off, cut off a toe and then
put it put it put it up over

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them like she's the $1,000 Mic.
And then anyway so that was such

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a good experience because of
Heli pad. Because we're and it

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reminds me of the movie. Gosh,
didn't I? I sent that to you.

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Oh, yeah, the the most the name
that middlemen? middlemen? Yes.

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The guys who started the very
first credit card processing

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company for porn sites. It's a
great move her to this movie.

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Oh, you have to watch this
movie. It's a great movie. So

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there's this I'll put it in the
show notes. There's this scene.

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And they then they set it up
where? Okay, so people going to

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prod and they're in a shitty ass
apartment. They're drunk.

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They're doing coke. It's like
it's a real mess. And but they

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have this buzzer hooked up. So
every single time someone uses a

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transaction which was like you
know, it's like 10 bucks for

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them or something so outrageous
amount above 99 Yeah buzzer

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would go and and then all
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like and that's exactly the
experience with with the it's

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like, oh, I'm like oh my god,
people are listening. They love

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us. We're popular. We're famous.

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We're popular. Yeah, that now we
just need different you know, we

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just need different ones like
they did it like they did in the

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movie where like different kinds
of porn Yes, you get a peer for

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a boost and you get you know,
you get a new boost. You get the

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call a bear full thing if you
get a booster.

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Yeah, and if it's above 10,000
SATs, you would do something

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else you get like 20 blades on
the Impala it's super fun. In

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fact, we were the man I got a
Windows Update and I'd re

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installed drivers and and then
my monitor wouldn't go on. And

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while we're doing all this I
hear from the kitchen I hear pew

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like yeah, I may be frustrated
with the gear right now. But pew

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pew away. That's great. Okay, so
that's what heli pad is. That's

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the excitement of Heli pad. It
will it I mean, you can run it

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on. On Umbral, right? It only
runs on Umbral or this thing.

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run anywhere? It's it's yeah,
it's it's standalone. So there's

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there's instructions on there,
how to run it, you can run it,

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like three different ways you
can run it on Umbral you either

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either a PC based on brull or
the Raspberry Pi Umbral. You can

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run it just as a straight Docker
image. There's an image, the

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Docker image for it is on Docker
Hub. And you can look in if you

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look in the repo you'll see
prints to the image. And then

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you get so you can just do a
docker run there. Or you can

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just download and give download
and compile the binaries

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yourself.

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It just needs like a macaroon
access to your node. Is that it?

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Yes. So if you if you run it on
the Umbral, it, it looks, it has

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a lot of fallbacks that it tries
to run, what it wants to do is

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run on Omro first, so it wants
to assume that it's running on a

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mobile device. And in that in
that mode, it's going to look

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for a environment variable
called lnd underscore URL. And

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that's going to be the full your
fully qualified domain name of

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your of your node your lightning
node. Colon the port number,

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which is always 10,009. So then,
if it if it doesn't see that

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environment variable excuse me,
I'm sorry. Okay, that's, that's

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that's what it wants for the,
for the environment. If it

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doesn't see it, I believe it
falls back to localhost.

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Assuming it's running on the
same device as the lightning

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node. It also wants a the
macaroon admin dot macaroon and

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the TLS cert, it wants to find
those two things. For people who

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don't know a lot about lightning
this. So the macaroons are the

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permission system for accessing
the API's that are built into a

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lightning node? So if you if you
access any part of a lightning

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node API that has restrictions
on it, you're gonna need a

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macaroon. So you can have like a
read only macaroon. You can have

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a full admin guide mode you can
have in there's lots you can

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just set up you can bait with a
call bake a macaroon that has

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all these, it has your set
permission levels in it. Save

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that thing to a file Then Then
you send that macro along with

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your API requests. And that's
what allows you to do those

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things, right. So that ad was
looking by default for an admin

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dot macaroon. And it's going to
look for it in the natural

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Umbral lnd path for that, which
is some long path, then it's

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also going to look for the TLS
dot cert. And that's different

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for permissions. This is this is
security. So I mean, encryption.

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So the admin macaroon gives you
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the TLS cert, is your transport
layer security that gives that

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encrypts the communication so
that nobody can imagine in the

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middle, you are ease drop. So it
needs both of those files, it

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expects them to both be in the
exact places that they are on a

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number of by default, if they're
not, if it doesn't find them

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there, it will look for them in
the directory that you're

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running hella pad from sort of
fall backs. But by default, it

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wants all this stuff to be set
up to run in an Umbral

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environment. If that's not the
case, then all you have to do is

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just set set that environment
variable, if you're going to be

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accessing something like let's
just say that your node is

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running in a wrong voltage, you
would set your lnd underscore

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URL environment variable to the
URL that of your voltage

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lightning node, then you would
say go to your voltage

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dashboard, save that admin that
macaroon into TLS dot cert to

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the folder where Hello Pat where
you downloaded and compiled

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Hello, Pat, then you can run it.
And then everything was

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pretty cool. You put all those
fallbacks in there, so everybody

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can use it, not just Umbral
users. So that's quite a bit of

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extra work sounds like

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Well, one of the one thing that
frustrates me and I'm sure many,

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many people is that you find you
find a piece of software a lot

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of times that work for you. And
it's not flexible, it has these

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hard D sort of hard
requirements. This says you

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know, you're gonna have to
you're gonna have to do things

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this way. And that's just, it's
just annoying, you know, and you

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want to be able to hear that you
don't want to jump through a

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whole lot of hoops so you want
to be able to just say, okay,

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like if I had, like you're on a
raspy Blitz, for instance, if

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you're on a raspy Blitz, you
should be able to download the

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the the the repo you should be
able to clone the the Hello pad

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repo to your raspy Blitz,
compile it and I believe you

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should just be able to run it
without specifying anything

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because your local host is going
to be where the raspy bullets

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lnd note is listening and the
lnd pads are the same as they

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are in the Umbral I think so
somebody some that'd be a good

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thing for somebody to try that
has raspy Blitz is download it.

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See if it'll just run right out
the box. If it won't,

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yeah, I'm afraid, I'm afraid.
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the most you should have to do
is just maybe tweak. You would

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have to like save your admin dot
macaroni new TLS cert to that

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folder. But anyway, lots of
fallbacks. It should be very

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flexible. Yeah. Anybody who
knows anybody who kind of

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understands a little bit about
the way the lightning stuff

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works, should be able to run
this without too much trouble at

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all.

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Okay, so can I already start
talking about the next version?

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I mean, I expected nothing less.
Yeah. Or she can? Yes.

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Well, so there's a couple of
this. There's a bug there's one

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bug and I believe I believe
there's there's someone sending

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streaming payments and I think
they're coming through as

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booster grams. And it's real.
It's like one set amounts that

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that that's not a booster gram,
or boosts coming

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through in the in the hell pad?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, really? That's

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weird. Yeah. What is it the same
app every time?

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Doesn't tell me which app
doesn't tell me who it is.

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Now that's really weird.

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Hold on, let me just check
harnessed

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wonder, yeah,

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it does. It doesn't give me an
app listing. It doesn't tell me

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who it's from. And it just has
an amount and tells me it tells

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me the podcast that it was for.

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Which podcasts was at war in
Korea and the keeper

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huh? That's odd. Right. It's
Miss anyway. So that's something

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we need to troubleshoot. We can
we'll get into that. So

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something's wrong there.

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I need your date. I need your
database is what I need. Yes,

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sure. Once

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you have my Home Node, man, just
take all my money.

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Just send it to me just box.

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Zip it. I'll zip up my whole
note. Zip this just a CSV. I

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mean, there's all kinds of fancy
interface shit we can do give me

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a CSV file, so I can just use
that to sort and to use for show

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purposes. Okay, right and right
now, this is the dream, you

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know, this is the oh my god,
look at the ship coming in, but

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then I just want to be able to
export to CSV, load it up, and

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then manipulate it from there
because, you know, it just makes

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no sense for me to spend a lot
of interface work on at least

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right now. So people can sort
that for a show. I mean, and

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anyone can do those. I would
expect other people to be doing

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that actually.

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Yeah, I would think so too.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

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So congratulations master

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not Did you submit things? Yeah,
yeah. submitted to this morning.

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So how long will this take now
before I have no idea is up in

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their store? That should be and
then when it shows up? I presume

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I'm going to uninstall my my
current version and then upgrade

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I just installed this one,
right? Yes, that's

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right. And so the, the way that
the unreal stuff works is you

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submit you you package it as a
you wait, you say it, how would

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you say that compile a compile a
Docker image or build a build,

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build a Docker image, build a
Docker image with the executable

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and upload it to Docker Hub.
Then you build a Docker compose

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file, which references that
image on Docker Hub. And you you

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submit that in your pull
request, you submit that Docker

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compose file in your pull
request to Umbral and so the

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next time that they do an
official Umbral release, I guess

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it'll be like maybe five Dotto?
Yeah, I'm not sure I think

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they're okay. That Docker
compose file will be in their

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apps directory,

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and then and then when you start
up, it's it. No, it sees the the

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yml goes, Okay, got a load a new
container.

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Exactly. Yeah. So that for net,
they said that they're working

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on a way to independently
install apps that are like out

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of cycle have their own release
cycle. That'll be good because

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you want to wait for a new
release. So whenever they do

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another Umbra release, that's
when the app will be available.

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Good. Well, they seem to be
doing a about a release a week

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these days.

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That was it that fast? Okay,
well, the 4.8

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they have so many No, it's I
think it's 449 I haven't

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upgraded yet but they have so
many bugs. I look I was Oh

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looked at says four Oh dot four
nine available up upgrade now.

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I'm like no, I'm gonna look at
the telegram channel if you

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don't mind for a second. Let me
see what horrible stories are

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there? Lost my channels lost for
Bitcoin.

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Oh, crap. No, no. Is that tell
me that's not true.

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Now there was a security issue.
And I I uninstalled thunder hub.

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Because I saw what was going on.
I'm like, This doesn't make any

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sense. So you install the
thunder hub, Thunder hub app

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from the App Store. And then it
gave you initially it gave

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everybody the same default
password which was money printer

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go ver so that so if someone if
someone somehow had gotten your

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your you know, if you open that
through tour, and that tour

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communication leaked out which I
here's what happened, you know,

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there was some leaky tour stuff.
Then if anyone has that exact

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URL, they already know the
password and so people drain

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some wallets. And then the
solution that they had is now

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when you when you start up, that
was the four points, the 4.8

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upgrade, I think when you when
you fire up the container, it

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hashes and creates a unique
password for your install.

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Okay, yes, the way to do it.
Yeah, that's the correct way.

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Yeah. Yeah, I see that on here
that have months. I must be on

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4.8 Because mine says 4.9 is now
available to install. Should I

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install it now?

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No, let's not do that. Oh, I had
a nice so I'm here to tell you

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that not a single one of these
podcast device makers has their

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head on straight. Okay, and it's
getting pretty aggressive. Yes,

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it's getting progressively
worse. I ordered i and I've been

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looking all over. I'm always on
top of stuff. I'd actually kind

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of miss the release of this
particular box. The Antelope

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Audio, synergy go which looks so
promising. I mean, and and so

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it's, in essence, another audio
interface with a mixer software

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mixer. And you can set up all
the things I need. noise gate

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compressor limiter, EQ, etc.
That's a very pretty box. And

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what's nice about it is these
are all modeled plugins. So you

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can use like a Neve compressor,
and they've modeled in software,

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the Neve compressor and you buy
it, you know, it comes with, it

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comes with 37 plugins included.
So there was enough the ones you

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want. No, no, it was absolutely
the ones I want. But once again,

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these assholes have introduced
the concept of the loopback

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loopback interface, this is the
biggest mistake, because you

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cannot process the total signal
going into your USB chain. And,

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and I thought this one, you
could reroute, and you could do

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it again. So the concept is, on
my microphone, I have no EQ

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noise gate, compressor limiter.
And then on clean feed, which I

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get from you, I have the same
and you know, that's where a lot

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of my a lot of my sound comes
from. And there's a very light

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compressor limiter over the
clips just to make sure I don't

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have to do too much fading. And
then over the end signal, the

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Master Mix there, I can also put
in different signal processing,

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such as compressor limiter, and
you need to have some final

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complete some final processing
before it goes into your

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headphones before it goes into
the recording device, etc. And

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none of them can do tell me

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why. So why the if you're, if
your compressor limiter and

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noise gating all the inputs, why
do you need that? Why do you

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need the same? Like the same
thing on the outputs? Well,

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okay, this is audio production
law. Okay. Okay. It's in, it's

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in the audio production
constitution. Now. So even

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though, so the compression,
compression and, and sound

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limiting is not just four
levels, which is how it's always

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explained. So you don't over
modulate, when you really, when

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you pump something in there to
three to one ratio, you can

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really start to to create an
effect and then that affects how

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your EQ is put in. And that's
how you make sound. And it

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doesn't matter if it's a podcast
or in the studio. I mean, this

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is this is why you do this. So
then you have all these sources.

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And you want to create a nice
luscious mix of those. And it's

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not just it's not just about the
about the volume levels, or the

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audio levels, it's how the
processor itself starts to

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intermingle these different
sources. And that is like so I'm

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very partial to a FET compressor
limiter on a on a very, very

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slow mode on the total signal.
Anyway, as I've gone through all

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these boxes now and this one
actually, I am going to keep

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this one because I'm hooking it
up to my Theramin so I can make

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it sound like an electric
guitar. So and I put the auto

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tuner in there, you know, so I
don't have to. Yeah, I'm putting

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the auto tune in there. Oh,
yeah. You wait, I'll be I'll be

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playing fucking Beethoven before
you know. And Led Zeppelin solo

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for Freebird Oh, yeah. You wait,
is it by the by the next board

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meeting I'll be able to do
Freebird. And so I'm, I'm

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keeping it for for that. But
then I'm like, I got got the

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bug, right. I want better more
what can we get? So I go to

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Motu, I use a Mark of the
Unicorn hybrid mark four, which

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has been discontinued, they now
have the hybrid Mark five. And

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lo and behold, it's like they're
all using the same chipset from

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China, which I'm sure they are.
And it does not they you can no

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longer because they've Oh, we
have loopback. So this mix that

430
00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:04,620
you can send it straight to USB.
Yeah. But I need to process it

431
00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:08,640
first before it goes into USB.
And they remove that.

432
00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:11,730
Let me get this straight that
you're there next generation.

433
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,350
You have the MO two four, which
does this Yes. And they're next

434
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:20,430
generation replacement for the
MK two for the MO to five

435
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:22,050
removes this

436
00:29:22,050 --> 00:29:27,120
feature. Yes. And what they did
is they they Okay, so this

437
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,680
device is was really meant even
the mark four was really meant

438
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,000
for four different mixes in a
live environment or studio. So

439
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,290
you can have a stage mix, you
can have a monitor mix, you can

440
00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:43,830
have the the mixers mix, you can
have all these different mixes,

441
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:47,220
and you can process all those
mixes and all those outputs. But

442
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:50,700
what the mark four does is it
allows you to send a mix to a

443
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,540
buss so you basically have a sub
mix, and then you can use that

444
00:29:54,540 --> 00:30:01,710
sub mix in another mix. So it's
recursive. So So in my case, I

445
00:30:01,710 --> 00:30:09,060
would be sending my microphone
mix to a bus. And, and that bus

446
00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:12,960
receives other inputs from you
and from the players. And then

447
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,580
it has some processing and that
bus goes into the USB. And you

448
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:20,520
can do that with the mark four.
But now they've they, they no

449
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,920
longer allow the routing,
they've tried to make it simple.

450
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,210
So it's still basically a stage
monitoring device. But now

451
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:30,540
they've they've seen the light
is like, oh, and we've added

452
00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:35,790
loopback, a loopback interface,
which means they've removed the

453
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:40,710
busing concept and they've just
given you a way to send a mix to

454
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:45,810
a USB device, but not the way
it's supposed to go. And so you

455
00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:48,330
can't even do it. You can't even
do it anymore.

456
00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:54,150
You've got so you've got the
Motu in for four by four.

457
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,940
No, the Ultralight mark for

458
00:30:57,870 --> 00:31:01,710
ultralight mark for okay,
because I'm thinking that you

459
00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:07,470
know, what you have to do at
this point is go and buy two

460
00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:11,880
more of those off eBay. Stick
them in the freezer, just in

461
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,880
case. Yeah, I mean, you gotta
have a, you're gonna have to

462
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,140
have a plan B.

463
00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:18,480
You got to get a good point
there, brother.

464
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:21,780
Yeah, that is discontinued this
thing. You're screwed.

465
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:26,820
Maybe I just buy them all up for
cheap. And then resell them

466
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:30,120
completely configured pod father
approve little magic marker

467
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,720
signature, a little sharp white
Sharpie on there. Several 1000

468
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,230
bucks.

469
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,980
Yeah, the signature the
signature. Yeah, that's

470
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,130
odd. father's signature model is
just some white Sharpie on an

471
00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:41,700
old mode.

472
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,890
Can you put? Can you put a
podcasting 2.0 certified badge

473
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:47,220
on it?

474
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:51,240
Oh, yeah. No. Oh, yeah.
Stickers, sticker

475
00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:55,170
stickers, of course. Yeah. No,
this is this is a genius plan. I

476
00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:56,130
like this plan. But it's

477
00:31:56,130 --> 00:32:00,240
really discouraging. And, and I
understand there's not many

478
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,240
people who do live shows. And
all these boxes are great if you

479
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,270
just want to have a couple
people chatting. And in the task

480
00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:10,440
cam does some kind of
compression. It fails, all of it

481
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,270
fails. You can't make the sound

482
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:15,930
was great. I can reproduce your
great mics. I can never lose

483
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:19,530
your sound. So I see I've got
I've got this audience. Evo

484
00:32:19,530 --> 00:32:23,760
four. That's my box. And it's a
great, it's a great box. It's

485
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,200
quite I mean, it's got all the
all the audio. But do you have?

486
00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:33,180
Like the, the all the audio
stuff is high quality in there.

487
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:35,970
So like, I mean, it's got a low,
you know, low note, low noise

488
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:40,770
floor on the preamps and all
this kind of stuff. But the, but

489
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:45,420
I can't reproduce your I could
not run the show. No, I have to

490
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:49,650
depend on you to run the show.
Because I can't get what you do

491
00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:51,870
from my side because this box
just won't do it.

492
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,560
No, no box will do it. No box
will do it. This is the only box

493
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,300
that can do it. Yeah, that has
not enough capability to

494
00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:03,450
actually run the show. You know,
I have multiple sources.

495
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,810
Sometimes I want to play
something off of YouTube or

496
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,020
whatever. I can bring all that
and I'd my Theramin I wouldn't

497
00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:12,630
even be able to do half of that
stuff with with these other

498
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:14,730
boxes. They don't even they
don't even have the inputs.

499
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:19,080
I mean, the idea is that
nobody's come out with a pod

500
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,060
father branded unit.

501
00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:24,420
I can't even get free evaluation
units. What are you talking

502
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:28,800
about? These people are nuts. I
don't get it. I mean, I'll take

503
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,250
$10 A device and we'll see and
I'll tell you how to do it.

504
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,100
Everyone's close enough. But you
got to get the right chipset.

505
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,580
Everyone's working off the same
stuff and the same dumb concept.

506
00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:42,150
Well, this is the same problem.
This is what happened to you

507
00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:46,050
before the show. And yeah
monitor your USBC monitor would

508
00:33:46,050 --> 00:33:49,890
not or USB monitor wouldn't
work. And here's this is the tip

509
00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:51,360
for anybody who

510
00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:54,870
yes and I'm running a Surface
Pro six with a doc

511
00:33:55,500 --> 00:34:01,020
Yeah, and in this applies to all
USB Doc's, all of them. If you

512
00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:05,250
have a USBC or thunder hub,
excuse me, Thunderbolt dock.

513
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:09,930
They almost all use the exact
same chipset. I haven't found

514
00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:14,970
one yet that doesn't. And so
what happens is with multiple

515
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:20,250
Mon, multiple external monitors,
you'll come in and boot up your

516
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:25,590
rig one day. And either one of
your monitors will not more or

517
00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:27,570
more usually none of them will
work.

518
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,640
Yeah, that's it's a fave. Uh
huh.

519
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:33,690
Yeah, anything attached to the
doc just just refuses to work.

520
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,790
Any monitors. And a lot of times
if you look really closely,

521
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:41,100
especially if you get like in
dark mode and you get a black

522
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:45,000
background and your screen when
it's doing this, you'll see

523
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:49,710
little speckles of pixelation is
very slight but you'll see

524
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:55,740
there's something this chip does
that freaks out the the only way

525
00:34:55,740 --> 00:35:00,000
to fix it is power everything
down. Pull power from the top

526
00:35:00,420 --> 00:35:04,380
And for about 20 seconds, and
then plug it back in. It's funny

527
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:04,890
because that

528
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:07,770
same thing always fixes my my
cable modem.

529
00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:14,040
It does. Yeah. It's the
universal fix. Yeah. Turn it

530
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,970
off. Power. You can't just
reboot you have to pull power.

531
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,510
Yeah. Well, I did and it works.
Thank you. Because I was a

532
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:24,360
little frustrated with that
afterwards away at the office,

533
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:27,870
man. And you're still coming
through the the onboard speaker

534
00:35:27,870 --> 00:35:28,770
I've no idea why.

535
00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:31,950
This voice can't be stopped.
Yeah,

536
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:35,250
yes. It's right. The pod sage
slips through every crack.

537
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:39,960
Yeah, then what's to come out
everywhere? Yeah, did you speak

538
00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:48,300
Speaking of music stuff. Just, I
had this last show, I guess two

539
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:53,400
weeks ago. And I was like, and
then. And then pot land. Yes.

540
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:55,920
Yesterday. I'm not done
listening. But they had the

541
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,100
interview an interview with
this. Lady who got the

542
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,160
music licensing. Lady. Yes, yes,
yes. Yes. Yeah.

543
00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:08,400
And so I had printed this out.
Where's some to talk to you

544
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,720
about this anyway? I mean, well,
you have no choice Taylor's.

545
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,900
Ouch, maggot. Too many knows
the. Oh, yeah. Taylor Swift. So,

546
00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,470
Taylor Swift, you know, she's
doing that thing where she's re

547
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:29,550
recording her music. And this
article says, a new report from

548
00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:32,550
The Wall Street Journal claims
that universal have been setting

549
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:35,370
up new agreements with his
artists, which according to the

550
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:38,520
report, quote, effectively
double the amount of time that

551
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,160
the contracts restrict an artist
from RE recording their work,

552
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:45,900
unquote. Supposedly, this is
like a response to her to her

553
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:53,550
thing. And this is. Taylor Swift
said this, this was the second

554
00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:57,690
time my music had been sold
without my knowledge. Swift

555
00:36:57,690 --> 00:37:00,210
said, the letter told me that
they wanted to reach out before

556
00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:04,200
the sale to let me know. But
that Scooter Braun had required

557
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,160
I think that's the guy or music
that had required that they make

558
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,480
no contact with me or my team,
or the deal would be off. Swift

559
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,510
statements claim that Braun will
continue to profit from our

560
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:19,320
catalog boat for many years. So
I guess he sold it to somebody

561
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:25,290
else. Yeah, he sold her the
rights to her music to private

562
00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:29,940
equity company called shamrock
holdings for $300 million. And

563
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:35,130
evidently, if this is true, told
them not to mention it to her,

564
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,710
or else the deal would be off.
Yeah. So yeah. So my question to

565
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:42,690
you, and I know, you've
explained this before, but I'm

566
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:47,250
not sure if you've explained it
on, on our show. Is this whole

567
00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:54,300
idea of podcast excuse me of
performance rights? versus just

568
00:37:54,330 --> 00:37:58,860
the artist rights? Or right, I
guess writers rights and that

569
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:06,330
kind of thing? In so in, in
regards to podcasting? Does that

570
00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:12,990
fall under production,
performance rights? But the

571
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:16,200
reason I'm asking is because you
sometimes I hear on some of your

572
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,590
shows, you will play, you know,
a 10 second snippet of a song or

573
00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:25,260
so. Like, what how do you handle
that? And and where where does

574
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:28,440
that legally fall into
performance rights? Is that a

575
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,120
performance right? Or is that
something different?

576
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:36,240
Okay, so let's go back to the
beginning. Okay. Owning your

577
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,840
master recording, and it truly
they were talking about the true

578
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,480
master recording, which is, in
many cases, historically, a big

579
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,340
tape, and it's stored in a
vault. That is really the

580
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:54,510
genesis of all the issues,
artists typically will sign a

581
00:38:54,510 --> 00:38:58,500
record contract, and the record
label will own the master

582
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,320
recording. And they and they
make agreements with the

583
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,730
artists, how much they'll pay in
royalties, etc, etc. Now, off to

584
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:09,630
the side, we'll put the composer
and the writer of the song

585
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:14,220
that's, that's a separate issue.
So Taylor Swift when she did her

586
00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:21,450
deal with Scooter Braun, she
took a deal which gave him the

587
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:25,410
ownership, his company, the
ownership of her music. And, and

588
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:28,200
that means he can pretty much do
with it, what he wants,

589
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,130
depending on the parameters of
the deal, but it really puts the

590
00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:36,900
artists in the continuous
backseat of what's going on. You

591
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:38,820
know, it's hard to get an
account look, the music

592
00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:42,870
business, the gangsters, it
started people selling stuff out

593
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:47,700
of the trunk of their cars, so
you really have no way to get a

594
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:52,410
record deal unless you put your
masters into the game. So then

595
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:58,650
once you have the Masters now
you have huge property rights,

596
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,750
mainly over publishing So
publishing falls into a whole

597
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:09,180
bunch of different categories.
You have, but you can, you could

598
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:12,900
even package up the songs future
earnings, I mean, you own the

599
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:17,070
whole thing. So So wherever this
song is used, if it's on

600
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:20,790
television, if it's on the
radio, if it's in a podcast, but

601
00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:24,480
especially if copies are being
made, and that's called a

602
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,890
distribution, a mechanical
right, so you put it onto

603
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:32,190
something that people can take
away, those terms have had to

604
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:37,260
adopt, obviously, since we now
deal with digital music. So all

605
00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:40,230
all everything that deals with
the actual product, that is a

606
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:45,990
derivative, or a copy of the
master recording, is controlled

607
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:50,100
by the owner of the master,
typically the record company. So

608
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:55,500
when you put a song into a
podcast, this is the the problem

609
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,460
for, you know, 20 years, even
with streaming audio in the

610
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:03,720
beginning, when you put it into
a podcast, and it is downloaded.

611
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:08,550
Anyone who owns the master will
rightfully say that is a

612
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:13,680
mechanical use, that is a exact
copy is not but an exact copy of

613
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,700
the song and is now on a piece
of media. So I need to get paid

614
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:22,200
for that. Catch the way they
kind of got around this. And in

615
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,220
the in the streaming world,
which created just you know, 10s

616
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:30,990
of 1000s of of playlists
streaming on icecast servers

617
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:35,550
completely boring. Is the
accountability factor where you

618
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:42,450
can get a license, a form of
performing rights license, which

619
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:47,100
would be analogous to television
using it on television or radio

620
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:51,420
in a broadcast in general,
because it's streaming and it is

621
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:57,780
apparently not. You can't you
can't download it. So that

622
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,470
obfuscates the download, right?
That the parameters around

623
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:09,090
streaming, are the reporting is
so restrictive, that you really

624
00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:12,510
can only run a playlist station.
So you know, there's all that

625
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:16,410
you can't play two songs from
the same album, back to back and

626
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:21,150
there's all these things used to
be a mix. But it's it's so many

627
00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:24,330
restrictions, you can't actually
create an entertaining broadcast

628
00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:27,360
from it. No way. You can't just
freewheel it, that's it's not

629
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,020
possible.

630
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,500
Okay? Now, that's why you that's
why you couldn't have like, true

631
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:38,070
for like open Internet radio,

632
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:41,940
not with while you can, but you
can have it with music that is

633
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:46,440
licensed in this particular
manner. So back in the pod, pod

634
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,520
show days, we said put up the
podcast, music, net podsafe

635
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,030
Music Network, and people could
who own their masters who own

636
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:56,850
their music. And there were some
some famous musicians who own

637
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:59,700
stuff, they could put it up
there and there was a different

638
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,270
license, you signed the license,
and it said, Okay, I understand

639
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:05,430
I'm putting it up here, I
understand that I'm letting any

640
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:09,090
podcaster take this use it in
their in their programming. And

641
00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:12,720
all they have to do is is report
back into the network that they

642
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,710
played it with a link, etc. And
that that worked pretty well.

643
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:19,530
But of course, you know,
everyone wants to shoehorn the

644
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:24,120
old licensed content into the
new system. And it's just it's

645
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,140
not, it's not possible. It's
it's no, there's no incentive

646
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:33,870
for anyone who owns the music to
do it. Now we have the, we have

647
00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:42,300
the we have the this the
composer and writer portion. So

648
00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:46,830
this is a true performing right,
wherever this is played, that

649
00:43:46,830 --> 00:43:51,420
supposedly is going to be
recorded, and then all those

650
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:54,870
licensees who play something, so
if I have a television station,

651
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,920
I broadcast and I play, and I
play a song, whatever reason

652
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:04,800
with some sappy video over it,
then that will eventually be

653
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,830
reported all the way down the
line through ASCAP or BMI, and

654
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:11,160
then the artist or the composer
and the writer of the song will

655
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,490
get their pieces and it could be
more than one writer composer.

656
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:19,050
So how when if I play a small
snippet of a song, which isn't

657
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,830
very often but if it was a
commercial song, but even if

658
00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:27,600
it's a parody, this is under the
fair use doctrine. And that

659
00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:31,500
really is only for the United
States, but okay, yeah, I'm sure

660
00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:36,840
any, anyone could make problems.
If it is in the context of

661
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,370
education or parody, then you
can do this, but it doesn't mean

662
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:48,450
that I can take a song like my
buddy Mike in Pennsylvania did,

663
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:53,220
Mama gonna take my OMA Chrome as
a joke as a joke of Kodachrome?

664
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,030
Now in the context of no agenda,
where we're talking about the

665
00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:02,850
variant, and it's a parody, and
when We're not you know, selling

666
00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:06,750
this for money we're not Weird
Al Yankovic, which we are, we

667
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:11,490
qualify under the fair use
doctrine. And, and we're pretty

668
00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:14,370
well versed in in that, in fact,
I'm pretty well versed in

669
00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:20,550
copyright in general. And I can
tell you now that just listening

670
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:24,150
to the pod light interview what
it took to license 67 Paul Simon

671
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:26,250
songs, and that's limited, you
know, it's not good, that

672
00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:29,160
podcast can't be around forever,
they have to pull it. And then

673
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,080
if there's any copies, you
probably have to go after that.

674
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,740
And police it, it's, it's a shit
show. The only way the only way

675
00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:39,450
forward is, and I think we have
the solution is getting your

676
00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:44,250
music on in an RSS feed, and
getting different player

677
00:45:44,250 --> 00:45:47,970
experiences out there so people
can listen to music in value for

678
00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:53,010
value. The royalties, the
distributed, decentralized

679
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,420
digital rights system of the
value block splits function

680
00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:01,770
perfectly for splitting up
anything that comes in between

681
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,210
musicians, there may be higher
splits for the composer and the

682
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:11,820
writer. And that will go in
perpetuity. And it's the you you

683
00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:15,420
eliminate all the ASCAP, BMI,
all this bullshit, where all the

684
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:18,960
money just sticks to other
people's pockets and doesn't

685
00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:22,710
reach you as an artist. And
moving forward. And Tina and I

686
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:28,800
will try and do some of this in.
In our podcast, if someone

687
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,140
licenses their music that way,
then yeah, you know, we can

688
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:38,280
definitely start playing stuff.
But, but forget anything that is

689
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,310
licensed through the old system,
it's, it's never going to

690
00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:42,390
happen. It's not

691
00:46:42,449 --> 00:46:45,389
it's an it's untouchable. It's
you can't do this.

692
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:48,960
There's billions of dollars
wound up in this. And I got to

693
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,720
break it for some shitty
podcasters. No.

694
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:57,600
Yeah, that's why I brought it up
is because there's, there's this

695
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,860
potential here for, you know,
obviously, for people to use

696
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,510
this streaming value for value
system for their own

697
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:11,520
distribution and perform and,
you know, dissemination of their

698
00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:17,400
of their music and payment. Yes,
but, but then, I guess, how

699
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:23,670
limited is that, though, is what
my real aim is here? Because if

700
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:30,420
you have a person like Taylor
Swift, she's, she's gonna have

701
00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:33,960
to own her own content before
she herself could make the

702
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,180
decision to do something like
that with it.

703
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:42,030
Yeah. She sold her content. She
sold it. And she didn't own it.

704
00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:46,680
No, she has no, that's why she
re recorded her entire first

705
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,630
three albums. Because she, you
see, now she owns her own

706
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:55,710
recording. And she can do with
that whatever she wants. Even

707
00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:58,320
though it may sound exactly the
same as the original.

708
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,530
Which is crazy to me anyway, how
this even there has to be

709
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:07,440
something that should tell you
that Oh, can't be that big. No,

710
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,310
but that's that, that that now,
this should tell you that this

711
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:15,150
is this is entertainment, man,
this is why I'm doing this. It's

712
00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:21,720
a shitty ass business run by by
psychopaths. It really is. And

713
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:25,410
they don't care and they really
don't care. And it's all about

714
00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:28,500
money. Because look at the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame. I was

715
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,740
actually this funny that a piece
of me interviewing Tina Turner

716
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:36,720
in the the most recent Rock Roll
Hall of Fame, telecast, and, and

717
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,180
you know what you see in the
audience? I'll never go again. I

718
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:42,810
went back when it was cool, man,
when it cost 1000 bucks a plate

719
00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:46,350
and yeah, and you had to get
invited by a nominee. You know,

720
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,100
I got invited by the kings. You
know, now it's like, it was

721
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:54,330
their lawyers, lawyers, is all
lawyers, lawyers everywhere I

722
00:48:54,330 --> 00:48:58,170
see you lawyers. And that's what
the business is. And it's all

723
00:48:58,170 --> 00:49:01,260
and yet and every artist has to
sue their record company because

724
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:05,070
they lie the thieves they lie.
And that's just what it is. And

725
00:49:05,070 --> 00:49:08,070
people give into it except
Kanye. People like Kanye, they

726
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:10,620
figured it out Prince. I mean,
he didn't record for years to

727
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:13,170
get out of his contract. And,

728
00:49:13,619 --> 00:49:17,459
um, I mean, who? Who owns their
own content? So it's like, Is it

729
00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:20,129
is it really rare? What are you
talking about? Is it only the

730
00:49:20,129 --> 00:49:22,469
huge ones? Like, let's just say
maybe like

731
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:25,440
a radio, it's always the poor
ones. It's only the poor ones

732
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,830
we're talking about. Okay,
anybody can Oh, look, you create

733
00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:31,920
a song you own it. It's yours.
You can register it so people

734
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,520
know how to get in touch with
you. And if you're doing that

735
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,570
today, if you take your music to
ASCAP BMI, and you sign the

736
00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:44,100
deal, there's no place for you
in podcasting. 2.0 there's just

737
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,100
no Now does that mean that you
can't get played on the radio?

738
00:49:47,130 --> 00:49:51,450
Oh, boohoo? Yeah, probably. Does
that mean that you won't get

739
00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:57,210
money on on Spotify? Yeah,
probably. You can. You can carve

740
00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:00,150
out exceptions, but it would be
very difficult. You kind of have

741
00:50:00,150 --> 00:50:05,790
to choose one or the other. You
know, because if you give the,

742
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,920
the Performing Rights to ASCAP
BMI for them to collect and you

743
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,070
just let a podcasters do stuff
they're gonna say well screw you

744
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,560
we're not going to collect for
you to then you have to write an

745
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,620
exception for every podcast and
now you're back to square one

746
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:23,489
net so like what you're saying
is that that Paul Simon thing

747
00:50:23,489 --> 00:50:27,089
that they were talking about it
that can't just be an evergreen

748
00:50:27,089 --> 00:50:29,609
podcast, they're gonna gonna
have to have a limited run and

749
00:50:29,609 --> 00:50:30,059
pull it

750
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:34,439
Yeah, and they're gonna have to
police copies after the Oh yeah,

751
00:50:34,439 --> 00:50:35,609
after the date. Sure.

752
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,330
That was additionally then see
how that's worth it and going

753
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,690
through all the trouble I mean,
like they're gonna sell to all

754
00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:43,290
the money they

755
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:48,270
were late, but let's understand
what's going on here. First of

756
00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:50,850
all, they were in the midst of
selling the whole catalog. So

757
00:50:50,850 --> 00:50:53,580
that's always interesting for
everybody even having an

758
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:56,340
interest in it is all these
things are important. There's a

759
00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:59,430
thing there's a greatest hits or
a book or collection or

760
00:50:59,430 --> 00:51:01,890
something was coming out so
there's a marketing budget for

761
00:51:01,890 --> 00:51:05,340
this as a reason for it. It's
not just to make a podcast it's

762
00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:08,640
just like, look at what are the
what are the so called Top

763
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,080
podcasts even? What are the top
earning podcast? I guarantee you

764
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:20,010
the top 10 is pretty much all
combined with radio is what I

765
00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:24,420
heard is the Sirius XM podcast
they're selling radio ads with

766
00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:29,250
podcast ads in a bundle Yeah, so
so that's where all the money is

767
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:32,250
going that's because that's a
real measurable thing that

768
00:51:32,250 --> 00:51:35,250
people who are buying the buying
the ad space they understand

769
00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:40,560
radio this whole this whole all
these mob they're dead but

770
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,560
there's so much money still
flowing around and we have you

771
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,560
know we have a lot of people who
are still all jacked up about

772
00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:50,190
you know, getting bought by
spout a Spotify will dream on

773
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:57,570
Dream on. There is a way forward
and you can go count your your

774
00:51:57,570 --> 00:52:02,190
Spotify pennies, but I guarantee
any, any artists, I will

775
00:52:02,190 --> 00:52:06,960
personally guarantee it with my
own Satoshis you will make more

776
00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:11,910
money value for value streaming
SATs than you will on Spotify.

777
00:52:15,929 --> 00:52:21,179
No, okay. I guarantee that I
don't see how you couldn't and

778
00:52:21,179 --> 00:52:23,369
in life because you're not
getting the you're not getting

779
00:52:23,369 --> 00:52:27,839
the the deal. You know, I mean?
Like you're not getting the

780
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:33,569
Rogen color daddy deal. Those
are, you know, I mean, the,

781
00:52:33,809 --> 00:52:35,879
because those I mean, those are
gonna be you know, $100 million

782
00:52:35,879 --> 00:52:40,169
$60 million, whatever, that if
you're, if you're outside of

783
00:52:40,169 --> 00:52:43,739
that little cabal or whatever
you want to know, I don't mean

784
00:52:43,739 --> 00:52:46,709
that negative but like, if
you're outside of that of those

785
00:52:46,709 --> 00:52:53,009
exceptional, you know, single
deals you're not. I mean, no,

786
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,960
it's the difference. Oh, it's a
difference. Okay. Some podcasts

787
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,200
have great reach, you know, call
it call me call me daddy or

788
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,570
whatever that came from
barstool. So they had a lot of

789
00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:07,230
people listening. And Rogan,
lots of people listening this,

790
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:10,110
this is a metric for the old
world. That's the world that

791
00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:13,890
Spotify lives in Spotify lives
in the metric world of royalties

792
00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:18,780
in the old system. And they look
at numbers, how high doesn't

793
00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:23,910
have to be they have no way to
even in their corporate brain to

794
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:27,540
consider value for value. Value
for value is great, because you

795
00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:31,410
can get this look, when your
song is played on the radio, you

796
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:36,960
get as an artist exactly zero in
America 000 radio has a carve

797
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,140
out they don't pay for playing
your song on the radio. So if

798
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:42,930
you do value for value, and 1%
of the people who are playing

799
00:53:42,930 --> 00:53:45,600
your song for free actually pays
you you're going to be ahead of

800
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:51,300
the game and in a big way. Much
bigger than than in any other

801
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,430
any other way. And your musical
get out there.

802
00:53:54,539 --> 00:54:00,329
Yeah, the music, music as
podcasts. To me, it's just, it's

803
00:54:00,329 --> 00:54:01,229
just a no brainer.

804
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,320
Well, we need a different
interface. Really, we need a

805
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:09,270
music kind of playing interface.
And it should be limited to

806
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:16,290
music. Music feeds, right. So
that because you know people are

807
00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:19,920
very simple, they will never
understand just like, let's not

808
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,500
let's be honest about it. Just
like people don't go to Spotify

809
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:29,400
for podcasts because it's there
for music. Very few people are

810
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,890
going to say, Oh, I'm gonna
check out this song on my

811
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:35,250
podcast app. It's just not going
to happen. Yeah, it'll happen.

812
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,740
You know, people say listen to
my song this way, but it'll be

813
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:39,480
confusing. So we

814
00:54:39,539 --> 00:54:44,729
the same way we get a new bus,
Spotify, I guess. Yeah, exact

815
00:54:44,729 --> 00:54:45,359
reverse.

816
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:50,550
Exactly. But Spotify can't just
retool and make a make a

817
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,640
podcasting app. You have a whole
bunch of reasons why that is.

818
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:57,030
But for sure any one of our
developers could take what they

819
00:54:57,030 --> 00:55:02,640
have right now. strip it down.
rejigger stuff. So that, you

820
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,220
know, how do we use lyrics in
the in the, in the transcript

821
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:11,370
tag this kind of stuff? Mm hmm.
You know, how do we use album

822
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:15,360
art liner notes? Remember liner
notes, you can do it for Song

823
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,480
per song, you can have an image,
you can have a link to the liner

824
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,260
notes. Come on people. Do I have
to come up with all the great

825
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:22,950
ideas?

826
00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:26,969
Well, this brings me back the
name the namespace. Yes. Phase

827
00:55:26,969 --> 00:55:31,649
four, which closed submissions
on December the first, okay, two

828
00:55:31,649 --> 00:55:37,589
days ago. And as of right now,
medium, the medium tag as in is,

829
00:55:37,919 --> 00:55:38,669
isn't there?

830
00:55:39,209 --> 00:55:41,789
Yes. And this would be a fun
one. This would be an interface

831
00:55:41,789 --> 00:55:46,319
switching mechanism. Possibly.
Yes. So if it said media music,

832
00:55:46,409 --> 00:55:50,189
Is that Is that an option? Yeah,
media music, then the interface

833
00:55:50,189 --> 00:55:55,979
might change. Yeah, or you wake
up where you can sort by it. And

834
00:55:55,979 --> 00:55:58,799
all the feeds are filter that
filters through. But

835
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,500
yeah, yeah. So like you would
have a you do a breeze type

836
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:05,670
thing. And so the breeze app,
the breeze app only shows value

837
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:08,880
for value lightning streaming
podcasts. It does not show the

838
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,200
entire podcast catalog,

839
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,049
which in hindsight, was a genius
idea.

840
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:18,299
I think it was a great idea to I
was really skeptical when he

841
00:56:18,299 --> 00:56:23,189
when Roy first said that me too.
And then he and he was he was

842
00:56:23,189 --> 00:56:25,619
persistent. And he knew what he
wanted. And you know what? It

843
00:56:25,619 --> 00:56:28,079
was the right thing to do. I
think I gradually for him. He

844
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,059
knows his audience. Yes, the
deal. Well,

845
00:56:30,059 --> 00:56:32,879
but if you look at the stats,
you know the breeze people they

846
00:56:32,879 --> 00:56:37,379
boost baby. Go Yeah, the breeze
parent, they're constantly top

847
00:56:37,379 --> 00:56:43,619
with fountain you know, they're
always they're always at the top

848
00:56:43,619 --> 00:56:45,599
of the Satoshis. flowing.

849
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:50,249
So on the names on the
namespace, it looks like we're

850
00:56:50,249 --> 00:56:55,109
going to have probably, I'm
going to start working on that

851
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:59,369
this weekend. It looks like
we're gonna have live item in

852
00:56:59,369 --> 00:57:04,109
there. Yeah, recommendations.
And medium is probably and

853
00:57:04,619 --> 00:57:08,819
images. Cool. I'm probably going
to drop gateway, because there's

854
00:57:08,819 --> 00:57:14,759
too there's too much uncertainty
about that. So images definitely

855
00:57:14,759 --> 00:57:18,119
will be in there because that
pod LP, which by the way, pod

856
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:22,259
lpm. I'm trying to get Tom to
come on the show with us and

857
00:57:22,289 --> 00:57:26,369
interview him. The developer
that cuz he's really doing some

858
00:57:26,369 --> 00:57:31,199
good stuff with POD LP on the
Chi iOS app. And he's like, he

859
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:32,699
just put in transcripts.

860
00:57:32,729 --> 00:57:36,989
I know it's I you know, I have a
CK iOS platform.

861
00:57:37,889 --> 00:57:41,159
Which one do you have? Nokia?

862
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,990
No, no, it's the it's the T
Mobile. T Mobile sells at almost

863
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:46,410
a second.

864
00:57:46,619 --> 00:57:48,749
Oh, yeah. The super cheap one,
right. Yeah.

865
00:57:48,929 --> 00:57:53,729
But it runs CK iOS. And now it's
not 20. It's like 100 bucks.

866
00:57:54,059 --> 00:57:55,949
It's the Alcatel go flip.

867
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,540
Three, because there's another
Alcatel that's like, it's almost

868
00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:03,390
the same, but it is super cheap.
It's like 20 bucks. It's like i

869
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:07,020
It'll work on that, too. I think
it'll work on that too. Yeah.

870
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,530
Yeah. It's, it's a great app.
And so he's, he's looking

871
00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:12,240
forward to the podcast images to

872
00:58:12,270 --> 00:58:15,720
Kanye West is one of the biggest
operating systems for mobile, I

873
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,480
think in India, and a whole
bunch of other countries.

874
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:21,330
Is it? Yeah. Is it open source?

875
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:26,700
I think it Yes. I think it is.
It is that is.

876
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:32,550
Is it Mozilla I think that's the
Mozilla iOS? No, I thought it

877
00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:33,690
came from

878
00:58:34,349 --> 00:58:42,089
Let me see. i Oh, yes. It was it
was a rescue. I thought it was a

879
00:58:42,179 --> 00:58:43,919
Yeah. To Katie distribution.

880
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:52,080
Who really? Yeah. Well, Hong
Kong. It was based on five

881
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,100
Firefox fork.

882
00:58:53,099 --> 00:59:00,839
Yep. Now, Mozilla right. No
doors Firefox. Oh, s. And after

883
00:59:00,839 --> 00:59:06,899
that. Mozilla that became
kernel. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah.

884
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:10,829
This is an it's a nifty little
nifty little thing.

885
00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:15,120
Yes. Yeah. It says it is open
source. Source available. Yeah,

886
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:20,280
that that's so so he is looking
forward to the images tag. An

887
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:27,570
image tag is good is really just
a repurposed version of the HTML

888
00:59:27,570 --> 00:59:33,390
five images tag. And so it's
gonna, or in, right, I've

889
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:35,820
seen the I've seen the chatter
about this year.

890
00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:40,590
And so you can specify that in
html5 tag, they came up with

891
00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:43,740
this idea of being able to
specify not just a source for

892
00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:48,270
the image, but what they call a
source set. So then you can have

893
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:54,690
on the source set is a comma
delimited space delimited set of

894
00:59:54,690 --> 01:00:01,320
image URLs, and the the format
is something like Use source set

895
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:07,500
equals and then the first URL of
an image space, the dimension,

896
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:12,870
and then comma, another URL
space, the dimension of that

897
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:16,530
comma. And and you can just keep
specifying. So you in that way,

898
01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:21,630
with one, with one tag, you can
specify, potentially, you know,

899
01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:26,760
eight different resolutions of
an image or pixel width of an

900
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,500
image to deliver with the feet
at the same time to allow a

901
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:35,850
mobile unit like to allow
scaling up or down to whatever

902
01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:38,700
device screen width you're
trying to deal with. If you

903
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,880
are listening to this podcast,
and you're not a developer, and

904
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,410
you're just a casual user,
please note what goes into the,

905
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:50,760
into these small little features
that software developers make

906
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:51,360
for you.

907
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,440
Straight up, yeah, there's so
much thought that has to go into

908
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,570
all this. And I don't even know
I mean, kudos to, to pot LP for

909
01:01:00,570 --> 01:01:02,760
even getting a transcript on
those tiny loans.

910
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,380
No, right. That's crazy.

911
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:08,130
I mean, like a Nokia 8110. I
mean, that thing's like, like a

912
01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:14,130
postage stamp. Yeah, but, but
that's, so I'll start probably

913
01:01:14,130 --> 01:01:19,890
working on that this weekend,
trying to move things around. Do

914
01:01:19,890 --> 01:01:24,360
some do some cleanup on this,
and then we'll start I'll start

915
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,650
making noise about which tags
need need work. And then

916
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:31,470
hopefully, by the end of
December, we'll be able to just

917
01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:35,670
to have a final phase four. And
and I'm excited about me because

918
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:39,450
me, medium. To me. That's a
super important tag. Gotta have

919
01:01:39,449 --> 01:01:42,269
that. Yeah. Well, you know, I
got this the streaming radio

920
01:01:42,269 --> 01:01:44,129
station guy all jacked and
ready.

921
01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:49,590
Mm, yeah. And live item, those
two dogs. I mean, they, they go

922
01:01:49,590 --> 01:01:50,490
together. Hey, and I'll

923
01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:54,540
just say, Thanks, everybody for
the cross app comments that's

924
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:55,350
really rockin.

925
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:58,800
Yes, it's everybody's doing.

926
01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:02,940
Everyone's doing not really
doing nothing. It's like, yeah,

927
01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:06,780
it's there's something wrong
with with the with the namespace

928
01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:12,390
or it's to it's to, like it
needs I've read maybe it should

929
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:15,750
focus just on activity pub, and
not on anything else. And people

930
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:18,900
seem to be kind of not knowing
which way to go. Because then

931
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,180
oh, you could use it with
Twitter. But you can do it with

932
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:24,270
something. Just it seems like
it's unclear what the direction

933
01:02:24,270 --> 01:02:26,550
is. And as usual, we're all
looking to you.

934
01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:30,720
I really don't think it's that.
I don't think it's a problem

935
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,920
with the spec, I think is a
problem with activity pub. And

936
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,400
I'm not saying I don't when I
say problem, I don't mean that

937
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,530
activity Pub is messed up. I
just mean that a lot of people

938
01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:47,520
don't understand how it works.
And when you first start

939
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,330
learning activity pub, it's very
similar to trying to learn

940
01:02:51,330 --> 01:02:56,190
lightning. Lightning, okay, I
gotcha didn't take off, you

941
01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:59,340
know, this, the streaming
payments didn't begin to get any

942
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:03,060
traction with the apps until LNP
came along and made it a very

943
01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:08,580
simple write. API, very simple
process. And I think people, the

944
01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:11,790
first thing you do when you're
looking to in to implement

945
01:03:11,850 --> 01:03:17,190
activity pub commenting, is you
go and you look for the spec, we

946
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:20,670
look for the spec, and it sort
of makes your eyes cross.

947
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:26,250
Because it's, it's just, you
don't know how far to go? Are we

948
01:03:26,250 --> 01:03:29,370
just going to display comments?
Okay, well, am I gonna have, I'm

949
01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:34,890
gonna have to put in an entire,
like, the both ways here where I

950
01:03:34,890 --> 01:03:38,820
can where I can post comment, I
think there's just a little bit

951
01:03:38,820 --> 01:03:42,150
of a sort of overload at the
beginning, when you first start

952
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:47,760
to look into it. And that, that
makes people sort of back off

953
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,470
and say, Well, you know what,
I'm going to wait till somebody

954
01:03:49,470 --> 01:03:53,730
else does it. And then look at
what they did, and try to model

955
01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:57,300
what I'm doing all of that. So I
think what really has to happen

956
01:03:58,230 --> 01:04:03,690
right now is there needs to be
some example, code developed.

957
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,000
Maybe even in a mock podcast
app, not even in real app, maybe

958
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:16,350
just some sort of mocked up app,
where it shows developers what

959
01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:26,310
to do, to Symp to to support it
in a simplistic way. And I, you

960
01:04:26,310 --> 01:04:29,820
know, I'm willing to do it, but
it would be nice if somebody

961
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:35,280
else would take that job on and
say, and just mock. Well, sir, I

962
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,670
mean, John Spurlock he built
these building that feed, you

963
01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:42,660
know, validator, and he put in,
he put in the ability to suck

964
01:04:42,660 --> 01:04:46,800
that stuff out the suck out the
activity, post comments and

965
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,910
display them. Oh, that's not an
app. That's just me, that's just

966
01:04:50,910 --> 01:04:54,810
a website. But something like
that. That was open source that

967
01:04:54,810 --> 01:04:57,750
shows okay, if you want to
support cross app comments in

968
01:04:57,750 --> 01:05:01,290
your app, here's a little bit of
sample code Maybe some, maybe

969
01:05:01,290 --> 01:05:07,770
some Node js code or something,
something that's very popular,

970
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:10,770
maybe something like that, or
some Python code, there's

971
01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:14,400
something you can do in your
app. And here's what it looks

972
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,470
like. That would be ideal. And
then because we've already got

973
01:05:19,470 --> 01:05:25,140
enough, our feed, as doing it,
Benjamin Bellamy's feed is doing

974
01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:30,240
it. So we've got a couple of
good test cases sandboxes for,

975
01:05:30,690 --> 01:05:33,810
that you could test your app
against, if you want to just

976
01:05:33,810 --> 01:05:37,770
show the comments. To me, that's
a great way to start, just show

977
01:05:37,770 --> 01:05:42,720
the comments, you know, as a as
a phase one, and then as a sort

978
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:51,450
of one point, you know, 1.1,
upgrade, then look into posting

979
01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:54,420
back and replies and that kind
of thing. But if you even if you

980
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:57,810
just show the comments, they can
begin to live somewhere else

981
01:05:57,810 --> 01:06:00,960
when a fully compliant activity
pops over. You don't have to do

982
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,100
the whole shebang yourself.
Right. I would incur? I mean, it

983
01:06:05,099 --> 01:06:07,619
sounds to me like we think
that's it sounds to me, like we

984
01:06:07,619 --> 01:06:09,029
got another Umbral app coming.

985
01:06:14,909 --> 01:06:17,399
Okay, and that's a no from Dave.

986
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:21,990
I've got other stuff. I've got.
I've got the API stuff I got to

987
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:22,980
do. Oh,

988
01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:24,630
yes, yes. Yes, you do.

989
01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:31,800
Boost. You know, you want to
thank some folks. Oh, yeah,

990
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,920
sure. Yeah, I was gonna say I've
got to get back to

991
01:06:34,949 --> 01:06:40,199
Yes. I apologize. Apologies for
the delay due to the equipment.

992
01:06:40,979 --> 01:06:43,589
Oh, no, that's not. That's not
right. No, what I'm saying is,

993
01:06:43,619 --> 01:06:45,809
I've got to get back to working
on the index,

994
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,240
I tell you to get back to work.
Now. I thought you're No,

995
01:06:49,650 --> 01:06:54,600
no, no, no, I've got to get back
to the Index. Because we I've

996
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,570
been thinking about this for a
while and a need to a better

997
01:06:57,570 --> 01:07:02,580
pipeline. So as soon as I can
get this help has stuff wrapped

998
01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:06,840
up and get a little bit of
progress on namespace. I'm going

999
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,130
to go back into some stuff I've
been putting off for a while and

1000
01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:16,680
work on a better pipeline from
the aggregators to the database.

1001
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:21,630
And so that, and I'm going to
rewrite so that the aggregators

1002
01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:25,740
is split up now into a polar and
a parser. And I'm going to

1003
01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:31,320
rewrite the polar and something
other than no J. S, because I

1004
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,250
hate it so much. I hate the way
they don't write it in C, man.

1005
01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:39,960
Do it in C No, no, no rust. It's
all rocks all the way down. All

1006
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:47,880
right. Okay, well, right out of
the gate. Marco Arment $500 to

1007
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:54,120
every month, like clockwork.
Thank you, Marco. And that was a

1008
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,800
PayPal donation cut bucks.

1009
01:07:55,980 --> 01:08:02,040
That is that is incredibly
helpful. That's it. We're glad.

1010
01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:05,250
We're glad we have. We're glad
to have you as a part of the

1011
01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:06,900
podcasting 2.0 family.

1012
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:11,580
And that reminds me of something
that I was going to talk about

1013
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:19,320
last time, which was if you are
asking podcast app developers,

1014
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:26,460
for us to support podcasting 2.0
features. Don't be a dick. Like,

1015
01:08:26,730 --> 01:08:29,700
just just ask him. And

1016
01:08:29,790 --> 01:08:32,490
did we talk about this? I think
we talked about it before we

1017
01:08:32,490 --> 01:08:33,420
left on vacation.

1018
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:36,480
I don't know. I don't know if we
did or not. Yeah, I think we

1019
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:41,460
did. Yeah, just just just a
gentle reminder. Don't Don't be

1020
01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:44,700
a jerk. Because, like,

1021
01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:49,350
yeah, no, I'll tell you what not
to do. Hey, man, if you don't

1022
01:08:49,350 --> 01:08:52,830
put this podcast that you put on
your app, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1023
01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:56,730
delete that. Yes, nice. Not
cool. It's not it's not a good

1024
01:08:56,730 --> 01:08:57,900
way to get something done.

1025
01:08:58,470 --> 01:09:01,500
Yeah, and don't go leaving like
one star reviews and stuff. And

1026
01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:04,050
he's just just don't do that.
But every single

1027
01:09:04,170 --> 01:09:10,740
app developer listens, a good
one listens to their users. And

1028
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:14,460
if enough users say, Hey, I'd
really love to see this. And

1029
01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:17,040
that's kind of I think, you
know, I, I'm not a developer. So

1030
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,430
you tell me, but I think
someone's saying, Hey, have you

1031
01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:23,820
heard about this? I'd love to
see this in the app. Isn't that

1032
01:09:23,820 --> 01:09:26,220
kind of all you need to do?
Because you don't need to do any

1033
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:29,040
more convincing? Because once
there's 100 Of those, that's

1034
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,040
when a developer goes, oh, you
know, I should look at this.

1035
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:39,990
Okay, every developer has a
customer facing app is going to

1036
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:45,930
be is going to balance their
workload amongst different

1037
01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:50,280
priorities. Sometimes the
priority is I've had a lot of

1038
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:55,260
people ask for this thing. And
so I'm going to do it. Sometimes

1039
01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:59,760
the priority is, I've had nobody
asked for this thing, but I

1040
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,450
think It's so cool that if I put
if I put the time in and put it

1041
01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:08,460
in into my app, everybody's
gonna love it. Right? Sometimes

1042
01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:16,080
it is, I see a problem on my
side that you don't see a

1043
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,490
structural problem in this in
the way that my app is built, or

1044
01:10:20,490 --> 01:10:24,960
my service is built. And I
really need to get down to brass

1045
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,960
tacks and spend a couple of
months or a few months fixing

1046
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,320
this thing up before it bites me
and you in the bud. Right.

1047
01:10:31,950 --> 01:10:37,560
Another possible thing is,
there's a new thing coming out

1048
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,310
that I need to get up to speed
on. And I'm going to have to

1049
01:10:41,310 --> 01:10:46,830
take time to do that before I
get before it bites me as well.

1050
01:10:46,830 --> 01:10:50,130
So something like, for example,
something like moving from

1051
01:10:50,130 --> 01:10:57,540
Objective C to Swift. A lot of
app Apple developers are have

1052
01:10:57,540 --> 01:11:02,490
had to make that transition over
the last four or five years. I'm

1053
01:11:02,490 --> 01:11:05,760
spending a lot of time learning
rust, because it's the language

1054
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,510
that I'm that I want to spend
more time in these days. That

1055
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:13,110
takes it takes hours. It takes a
long, it takes time. And that's

1056
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:17,280
my priority. So anytime that
you're dealing with dealing with

1057
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,340
a developer, it's going to be
one usually one of those four

1058
01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:23,220
things that are taking up
whatever amount of his or her

1059
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:27,780
time is, is currently being
spent. And for you to get in

1060
01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:31,230
there and just start being a
jackass about it. It's not going

1061
01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:35,280
to make it's not going to get
you any sympathy whatsoever.

1062
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:38,700
Because any sympathy that you
would have is already there.

1063
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:43,320
It's built into the system. And
that that develops when somebody

1064
01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:47,010
emails me and says, Hey, I
really want this thing. And I

1065
01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:49,620
always tell them oh, I'd love to
do that for you. I'll do I'll do

1066
01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:52,680
my best I'll put it on my to do
list. And it does go on the to

1067
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,350
do list, but I can't tell you
when that thing's gonna be I

1068
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:55,950
just can't

1069
01:11:57,030 --> 01:12:01,860
Well, that's all very
disappointing I can't get

1070
01:12:01,860 --> 01:12:04,260
anything done. Can't get
anything out of you developers.

1071
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:07,260
Nothing ever. Just shut up.
Yeah.

1072
01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:11,820
No, just be nice. That's really
the that's really the it's not

1073
01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:14,190
hard to be nice. Doesn't take a
lot of effort.

1074
01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:19,860
That was our only PayPal
donation. All right,

1075
01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:22,320
that's a problem. Well,

1076
01:12:22,350 --> 01:12:26,550
I mean, our only single donation
we got not we got monthly.

1077
01:12:26,879 --> 01:12:29,699
Okay, and we have and we have
booster grams, hopefully. Oh,

1078
01:12:29,699 --> 01:12:32,309
yeah, we got booster. I mean, I
love the transition to the to

1079
01:12:32,309 --> 01:12:38,879
the digital, the digital version
of value for value. But you

1080
01:12:38,879 --> 01:12:43,319
know, we people, you know, your
numbers are lower than what you

1081
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:48,299
used to do with tape. Just
saying, just saying. We're okay.

1082
01:12:48,329 --> 01:12:51,389
We're okay. But you know, this
is all liquidity for the whole

1083
01:12:51,389 --> 01:12:52,229
system. So

1084
01:12:53,790 --> 01:13:00,360
Well, Kelly Bear he gave us a
baller boost of 100,000 sat holy

1085
01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:07,410
Oh, man,

1086
01:13:07,799 --> 01:13:14,519
no. Phone over. fell out of the
impalas same time. Nice. Kelly

1087
01:13:14,519 --> 01:13:18,119
Bear is his podcast is the
intergalactic?

1088
01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:24,420
He's always pleased he promotes
the heck out of podcasts and 2.0

1089
01:13:24,420 --> 01:13:25,110
It's great.

1090
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,640
He does. He loves us. He says I
just share some sass to two cool

1091
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:34,590
cats. Crinkle the paper Dave? We
need that weekly ASMR injection.

1092
01:13:37,050 --> 01:13:39,660
Shout some SATs. I hadn't heard
that one. I like it.

1093
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,000
Awesome cow. Yeah, his show was
great. Yeah, everybody here

1094
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,500
listen to it. Thank you, buddy.
See anonymous. Oh, we got an

1095
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:53,730
anonymous boost through breeze.
And it just says showing my son

1096
01:13:53,730 --> 01:13:57,960
how to boost. All right. Boost.
1000 cool, nice.

1097
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:58,470
Thank you.

1098
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:08,220
Able Kirby. Send us 5000 SATs
nice. He says that's the curio

1099
01:14:08,220 --> 01:14:12,240
caster. He says some time ago
line six. The guitar amp maker

1100
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,990
on the line six. Big guitar
maker was getting famous ish

1101
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:20,250
guitar players to make branded
presets on their amps amp

1102
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:25,680
effects. Okay, a similar thing
could be done for podcast DSP.

1103
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,800
What about an effect module with
a bunch of podcaster style

1104
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,730
presets? Like a picture of their
face and everything? Like Nick

1105
01:14:32,730 --> 01:14:35,130
the rat presets have water
dripping in the background.

1106
01:14:37,230 --> 01:14:39,060
Okay, well, yeah.

1107
01:14:39,660 --> 01:14:42,990
By the way, I'm totally for
creating a branded VST plugin

1108
01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:47,280
value for value, programming it
and testing in 2022. That is

1109
01:14:47,550 --> 01:14:47,970
able.

1110
01:14:48,629 --> 01:14:50,429
Interesting. That's interesting.

1111
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,520
Well, that is I don't know what
he's mean. Okay.

1112
01:14:54,419 --> 01:14:58,199
Here's what I think he means. So
VST plugins is an architecture

1113
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:02,219
in audio devices is pretty open.
But at this point, I think so

1114
01:15:02,219 --> 01:15:11,879
you could have a player, an
audio player, and you can load

1115
01:15:11,939 --> 01:15:15,839
different effects in that you
can do all kinds of things. But

1116
01:15:15,839 --> 01:15:20,789
you could also load a value for
value plugin that would in

1117
01:15:20,789 --> 01:15:26,009
essence, fire off SATs from a
wallet to, to wherever it needs

1118
01:15:26,009 --> 01:15:26,489
to go.

1119
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,540
Oh, that's weird. So So VST is
sort of like an open G. It's

1120
01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:32,010
like the OpenGL of audio.

1121
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:34,860
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a good
way to look at it. Yeah, I mean,

1122
01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:38,070
this is VST plugins. You've
you've used them before. And you

1123
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:41,730
can compressors limit. Yeah. So
it's just an application. So I

1124
01:15:41,730 --> 01:15:43,320
think that's what do you mean? I
like the idea.

1125
01:15:44,850 --> 01:15:49,830
I like it, too. Yeah. Okay.
Interesting. drips. God gave us

1126
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:51,450
10,000 sets. Oh,

1127
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:52,800
man. drab.

1128
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,390
He says I want my I want my
MTBE. What was that?

1129
01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:00,300
What did that mean time
Meantime, between episodes,

1130
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:05,580
baby. Oh, that's. Tina says in
the car to me. That's not his

1131
01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:11,490
real name is it? I don't. Here's
the cool thing. I don't care

1132
01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:14,460
these Dred Scott. He's going to
be Dred Scott for now for the

1133
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:17,640
rest of rest of our days. You
can't tell me his name is Pete?

1134
01:16:17,940 --> 01:16:19,680
That's not gonna work. It's Dr.

1135
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,900
Jeff Scott, comma, Chapter guy.

1136
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,530
Chapter architect chapter
architect. There you go.

1137
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:33,030
Kyron gay, Karen down gave us
1123 says and he says through

1138
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:36,330
pod friend. He says not to
worry, Adam. I usually hit

1139
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:39,300
record as soon as the initial
pleasantries are done with only

1140
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:43,500
meant that I would clarify small
things. how long we'd go for Oh,

1141
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,830
my guest today? Yeah, my
interview was today.

1142
01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:51,900
Okay. Just so you're not coming
in completely blind. So you're

1143
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:53,880
you they've already done it. Or
you know,

1144
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,090
it's four o'clock today. Four
o'clock? Nice. Yeah,

1145
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,740
well, trouble experience.

1146
01:16:58,770 --> 01:17:01,650
What um, he's like, I really
want to ask you different

1147
01:17:01,650 --> 01:17:04,200
things. You've been interviewed
so many times. I'm like, Okay,

1148
01:17:04,230 --> 01:17:05,700
let's see if he comes up with
something different.

1149
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:07,380
He's good interview.

1150
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:09,090
I can't wait. I'm very excited.

1151
01:17:10,290 --> 01:17:15,960
Eris statica gave us 2376 SATs.
I says booster grounds for

1152
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:16,620
Italia.

1153
01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:20,850
Oh yeah, we need to we need an
Italian booster Graham we got

1154
01:17:20,850 --> 01:17:25,200
the we have France French and
now as the French say it is

1155
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:25,950
timeful

1156
01:17:26,190 --> 01:17:27,060
loosed.

1157
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:30,660
We need an Italian boost.

1158
01:17:31,170 --> 01:17:34,230
We'll get Did you hear that? I
can't get Willow to do

1159
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:35,910
of course I can Yeah.

1160
01:17:37,860 --> 01:17:39,900
Franco he can do it. He's a
podcaster

1161
01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:45,510
Franco what a horror man he went
right on pod land after he was

1162
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:50,340
on. Marketing hor Franco.

1163
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,970
I knew I knew that.

1164
01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:55,620
He knew he was scheduled.

1165
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,070
I knew that Sam was trying to
get him on the show. And I was

1166
01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:01,920
like, I was like, man, if they
scooped us, I'm gonna be so

1167
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:02,490
pissed.

1168
01:18:02,730 --> 01:18:07,770
What I liked is his story was so
similar. The way he explained

1169
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:10,860
stuff and he was just it was it
was very interesting to hear

1170
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:15,510
him. retell most of the other
things, but most of the story

1171
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:19,200
was good. I was just laughing
like now man. Seriously?

1172
01:18:19,710 --> 01:18:22,740
We got him first guy. Random

1173
01:18:23,310 --> 01:18:27,090
competition. We're all competing
for the same for the same girl.

1174
01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:34,830
Yeah. CASS Pentland 3300 sets
through fountain and he just

1175
01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:38,820
says thanks. Thank you. You're
welcome cast is cast feelin is

1176
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:39,540
that A is that

1177
01:18:39,630 --> 01:18:42,300
could be Dutch. Yeah. Is it Ks?

1178
01:18:42,930 --> 01:18:44,460
Yeah. K s.

1179
01:18:45,299 --> 01:18:53,069
Oh, no. I mean, that may not be
okay. Or is it gay? Yes. Be sure

1180
01:18:53,069 --> 01:18:54,299
it's an A and not two E's.

1181
01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:57,480
Yes. A K A. K s and then p

1182
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:04,770
Okay. AKA. This horrible. That's
cost that means cheese. In Dutch

1183
01:19:04,830 --> 01:19:10,710
Yeah. K s is cost is cheese. And
what's the last minute P

1184
01:19:10,919 --> 01:19:14,699
P and P e la nd Candyland

1185
01:19:15,810 --> 01:19:20,310
she's P land all right, man. He
will never be boosting again.

1186
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:21,000
That's for sure.

1187
01:19:22,830 --> 01:19:26,850
She's feeling what? What's
What's the P Land of the Duchess

1188
01:19:26,910 --> 01:19:29,370
of the Netherlands dude.
Rotterdam.

1189
01:19:29,820 --> 01:19:35,820
Oh yeah. I have to tell you off
air why that is very funny. Okay

1190
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,890
it's no longer for public
discussion.

1191
01:19:41,610 --> 01:19:48,120
Thank you cheese be Marcy sent
us 5453 sets and he says a good

1192
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,600
numbers. Thank you. found
through found nice to switching

1193
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,070
apps again as my new podcast app
is frozen in playback as at 54

1194
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:57,390
minutes and 53 seconds.

1195
01:19:57,419 --> 01:19:58,679
Oh no. Oh no.

1196
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,520
I like this though. Give us a
play by play of all the bugs in

1197
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:05,940
your pocket.

1198
01:20:05,940 --> 01:20:07,290
Yes boosts

1199
01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:08,820
yes yes boost.

1200
01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:11,310
Exactly. Great idea.

1201
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:17,400
Jon's BRT says gave us 4900 SATs
through fountain and he says

1202
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:19,170
shout out Commodore 64

1203
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,100
Yay. The Sinclair ZX one salute
you.

1204
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,420
See, he was the CEO of
Commodore, that famous guy.

1205
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:32,610
I don't remember was that Scott?
There wasn't scaly before Apple,

1206
01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:33,060
was it?

1207
01:20:34,050 --> 01:20:45,900
No, no. See Commodore 64 See
what the Wikipedia says is? His

1208
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:47,550
name is like on the tip of my
tongue.

1209
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,960
Jack Traumeel.

1210
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:56,100
No. Well, let's see. 1984

1211
01:20:56,130 --> 01:20:59,760
Ben from via Dutch guy. They've
been around a long time.

1212
01:21:00,870 --> 01:21:03,930
Yeah, I was thinking about like,
with the height of their, you

1213
01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:04,200
know,

1214
01:21:05,070 --> 01:21:08,460
I remember the Vic. Vic 20. Man,
I love that machine.

1215
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:12,570
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you you were
evict 20 guests. Yeah, I was. I

1216
01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:15,690
was a little bit lighter than
that. I was the 64 in the 60.

1217
01:21:15,690 --> 01:21:25,170
Right era. Yeah, this was the
this was an eight key I think it

1218
01:21:25,170 --> 01:21:33,720
was trying to think like, came
in as the CEO shirt wasn't

1219
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,160
Traumeel I thought that that was

1220
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,190
the gateway may have been Yeah,
that may have been wrong

1221
01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:44,550
the rhadigan Maybe Matt rhadigan
Thomas Ratigan that was when the

1222
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:45,600
Amiga came out.

1223
01:21:47,130 --> 01:21:50,190
Oh, no, no, this this would have
been totally in the sea 64 days

1224
01:21:50,190 --> 01:21:54,180
and this is the guy that did let
them down. Like let them down

1225
01:21:54,180 --> 01:22:00,690
the wrong path. I don't know.
I'll figure it out. I'm no

1226
01:22:00,690 --> 01:22:06,420
genius since 1611 and 11 SATs
and he says go podcasting. Yeah,

1227
01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:13,410
I can't wait for us to see I
can't wait for us to convert

1228
01:22:13,470 --> 01:22:19,590
over to Satoshis as the main
currency Max maximalist very

1229
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:22,290
wealthy if we value at one for
one with Fiat Yeah,

1230
01:22:22,379 --> 01:22:25,709
we Oh, well. That's why now is
the time to boost us because

1231
01:22:25,709 --> 01:22:30,029
then you know, Bitcoin is in the
mid 50s. This is the time to

1232
01:22:30,029 --> 01:22:30,809
help us out.

1233
01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:38,310
Yeah. Comic Strip blogger. Oh,
comms making a donation. 1333

1234
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:43,530
cents. Okay. What does he want?
Greetings from comic strip

1235
01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:46,170
blogger. You see, you should
have read this note in the

1236
01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:47,460
Comstor. But hold on a second

1237
01:22:48,030 --> 01:22:48,870
comic strip.

1238
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,100
She has his own

1239
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:59,130
comic strip. Comic Strip, comic
strip, comics, comic strip.

1240
01:23:00,930 --> 01:23:04,950
Okay, love your bloggers.
Greetings from comic strip

1241
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:05,280
blogger.

1242
01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:07,530
Blogger, I'm sorry,

1243
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:13,980
to podcasting 2.0 podcast, and
anybody interested in artificial

1244
01:23:13,980 --> 01:23:16,800
intelligence is welcome to
subscribe and listen to the

1245
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,060
podcast called AI cooking that
can be found in all podcast apps

1246
01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:27,060
and in all podcast indexes by
searching for AI cooking yo, yo,

1247
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:32,400
yo, yo, AI. This is big, because
this means he's adding himself

1248
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,270
as the host of AI cooking
podcast. Yeah, he's

1249
01:23:36,270 --> 01:23:40,020
an innocent. He's never made a
direct donation to any podcast

1250
01:23:40,020 --> 01:23:43,320
as far as I know, not a direct
monetary donation. He's, of

1251
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:47,700
course provided years of endless
entertainment for the shows I'm

1252
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:52,590
involved in. And I mean that
sincerely is this. He's a

1253
01:23:52,590 --> 01:23:56,310
legend. He's a podcast legend.
To Ben Rogers. Small smalls is

1254
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:56,820
gone.

1255
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,270
Oh, Roger smalls, that name.
Sounds familiar.

1256
01:24:00,330 --> 01:24:05,460
Yeah. Yeah. He was, uh, he was a
fan. And he would follow me

1257
01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:08,250
yesterday. Yeah. But he would
follow me and he would do all

1258
01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:11,550
kinds of weird stuff. They would
call in and he had been rooting

1259
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:14,820
through my trash and it was
great. Oh, great. That's great.

1260
01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:17,550
He was he was fantastic. Roger
roger Smalls.

1261
01:24:18,330 --> 01:24:23,880
Thank you. Mr. Varga, blogger
Paul Saltzman gave us a tu tu tu

1262
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:24,060
tu

1263
01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:26,370
Yeah, yeah, I know his number.

1264
01:24:27,090 --> 01:24:28,890
Adding to my cookbooks boosts

1265
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:33,480
like how you do it Dave booze

1266
01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:39,510
drips God again 30,000 SATs

1267
01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:40,560
Holy crap.

1268
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:45,450
Boosting the donation segment
because I got excited hearing

1269
01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:48,630
David Norman's name during the
month lease. Another great show,

1270
01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:49,620
go podcasting.

1271
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:55,350
You know, I have a feeling now.
Drip Scott must be married rich.

1272
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,500
Because he doesn't he doesn't
seem to do anything except

1273
01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:04,170
chapters for all All podcasting
2.0 podcast, the money he gets

1274
01:25:04,170 --> 01:25:06,420
from his splits he sends right
back

1275
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:11,070
with interest. Yeah, verse
interest

1276
01:25:11,070 --> 01:25:16,170
I'm not quite sure. I love you
Dred Scott. You are seriously

1277
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,990
you've been a big part of moving
everything forward the chapter

1278
01:25:18,990 --> 01:25:22,770
work is stellar. It makes a huge
difference in promoting this.

1279
01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:26,550
Maybe he got in early on the
reverse mortgage game.

1280
01:25:28,590 --> 01:25:34,350
Now he probably is a Bitcoin guy
who's yeah sitting on on a

1281
01:25:34,350 --> 01:25:38,100
couple of you know, couple
couple 100 million SATs

1282
01:25:39,390 --> 01:25:44,880
Martin from pod friend Hey
Martin. Hello 1000 SATs of

1283
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,530
course through the pod friend
app and he says via from podcast

1284
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:52,410
index dot social informed me of
a visual bug on the boost

1285
01:25:52,410 --> 01:25:55,740
button. So to recreate I am now
paying the podcast index for the

1286
01:25:55,740 --> 01:26:01,170
privilege of debugging pot free
and yes. I also

1287
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,290
debugging with close to grams,
it's perfect as it gets. This is

1288
01:26:04,290 --> 01:26:05,010
the way to go.

1289
01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:11,940
I endorse this wholeheartedly.
Yell Ostrowski. And send us 3000

1290
01:26:11,940 --> 01:26:15,780
SATs and he says Long live the
revolution yours shouldn't be in

1291
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:20,400
French. She said that in French.
I don't know what Long Live is

1292
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,450
but the revolution Oh

1293
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:24,990
Viva la revolution. Yes, that

1294
01:26:24,990 --> 01:26:27,690
thing. Three

1295
01:26:29,670 --> 01:26:35,100
Viva Viva Viva will be Spanish
Viva La la la la evolutional.

1296
01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:40,620
Comstor blogger may have sent us
to two separate donations for

1297
01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:45,210
3333 Even though the the message
is exactly the same. So I'm

1298
01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:48,750
going to give him two credits.
Because I may have been twice

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01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:49,080
okay.

1300
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:53,370
You know, I think I saw no, no,
I wouldn't have seen that so

1301
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:54,990
well. Hey, thank you very much.

1302
01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:58,800
Booze. Exactly the same message.
Thank you Mr. Bogert, even if it

1303
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:05,970
was on accident, see, so go see
his AI cooking, give it a shot,

1304
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:12,360
monthly donors, Duane Goldy $8
Thank you, oh, Erskine. $11.14.

1305
01:27:12,450 --> 01:27:16,830
Always the same amount. Michael
Gagan $5 James Charles current

1306
01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:23,640
$5 James Sullivan $10 Shawn
McCune $20 Christopher Raymer

1307
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:29,850
$10 Jordan dunville gave us $10
Stew coats Satan himself gave us

1308
01:27:29,850 --> 01:27:37,530
$6.66 dribs got $15 drip is all
over the place today. Jeff

1309
01:27:37,530 --> 01:27:46,440
Miller $20 Leslie Martin $2
Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Aaron

1310
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:54,030
Renaud $5 Pedro gone calvus $5
Droid works $20 Scott Jobert $12

1311
01:27:54,030 --> 01:27:56,250
and Mark Graham $1

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01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:01,950
Thank you all so much. This is a
what is a comic strip bloggers.

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01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:04,380
Podcasting. I'm gonna put it in
the show notes.

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01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:13,230
Ai dot cooking AI. And I believe
I may be wrong, but he I believe

1315
01:28:13,230 --> 01:28:15,720
he's hosting on Anchor. Oh,

1316
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:23,190
of course. I've known him for a
long time. I can say these

1317
01:28:23,190 --> 01:28:26,400
things. Yes. He says horrible
things about me from time to

1318
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,340
time. It's our relationship.
It's always been like this.

1319
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:36,600
And I couldn't Yes, it's of
course I forgive. I forgive you.

1320
01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:37,740
prematurely.

1321
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,080
Why do you dislike I got a note
from megaphone today. Did you?

1322
01:28:43,170 --> 01:28:44,190
Oh, yeah. You want to hear this?

1323
01:28:44,340 --> 01:28:46,230
I've been putting ads on your
podcast without you know,

1324
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,340
man, I'm telling you now. It was
it was actually it was better

1325
01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:54,540
than that. It was it was one of
those, you know, hey, we got we

1326
01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:58,200
got the whole database of
podcasts. So oh, we're gonna

1327
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,260
strip out all these email
addresses. And we're gonna do a

1328
01:29:01,260 --> 01:29:07,740
mass marketing campaign. And I
just wonder where would you

1329
01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:09,930
think they scraped them
themselves? Or is there there's

1330
01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:13,830
got to be a database now that is
just out in circulation. There's

1331
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:15,480
being resold, don't you think?

1332
01:29:16,140 --> 01:29:19,590
I'm sure but but one thing is
can one thing you can be sure of

1333
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:23,670
is not coming from us because we
do not publish. We have all the

1334
01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:26,730
email addresses of everything.
But we do not make them public

1335
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,970
at all and never will. That's
gross. And we're never doing

1336
01:29:29,970 --> 01:29:34,500
that. I don't want to be
somebodies source for marketing.

1337
01:29:34,650 --> 01:29:35,460
Garbage.

1338
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:40,679
Oh my goodness. No, no, no, no.
I might have deleted it. That's

1339
01:29:40,679 --> 01:29:43,739
too bad. It was it was basically
Hey, I've been listening to no

1340
01:29:43,739 --> 01:29:46,709
agenda and I really love it. I
think we could really work with

1341
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:51,839
you on some white here it is.
Okay, this megaphone. This is

1342
01:29:51,839 --> 01:29:56,309
from Alison Klein. Oh, this is
even more interesting. Spotify.

1343
01:29:56,759 --> 01:30:00,599
Space X space, no agenda
Monitor. Hi zation

1344
01:30:00,599 --> 01:30:06,329
opportunities. I shall read this
in the voice of Allison. Allison

1345
01:30:06,329 --> 01:30:10,859
Klein publishers Solutions
Associate. And she has a an

1346
01:30:10,859 --> 01:30:16,049
Allison kay@spotify.com email.
Hi, Adam. My name is Alison, I

1347
01:30:16,049 --> 01:30:19,049
work on the megaphone business
development team at Spotify,

1348
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:22,979
exclamation mark. I'm super
impressed by no agenda and would

1349
01:30:22,979 --> 01:30:25,829
love to discuss opportunities
for monetization through

1350
01:30:25,829 --> 01:30:30,029
megaphone. In case you're not
familiar, megaphone. Yes. Do

1351
01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:31,650
you think she's ever actually
listened to it?

1352
01:30:32,549 --> 01:30:35,549
I mean, maybe she missed the
part where we say we have no

1353
01:30:35,549 --> 01:30:39,389
advertisements no commercials,
no creepy money from China or

1354
01:30:39,389 --> 01:30:42,989
other corporations. Maybe she
missed that. But she says in

1355
01:30:42,989 --> 01:30:46,769
case I'm not familiar, megaphone
is Spotify is podcast technology

1356
01:30:46,769 --> 01:30:52,049
platform, Pa o that helps
creators publish, measure and

1357
01:30:52,049 --> 01:30:56,579
monetize their podcasts. Some
other top networks like I heart,

1358
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:59,399
Wall Street Journal and ESPN are
using megaphone to manage their

1359
01:30:59,399 --> 01:31:03,869
podcasts and drive revenue for
remnant ad inventory who am at

1360
01:31:03,869 --> 01:31:08,699
the bottom of the barrel. By
connect it get the scrapings

1361
01:31:08,699 --> 01:31:10,019
left the leftover

1362
01:31:10,650 --> 01:31:13,440
like connecting with that you
can't sell right that's exactly

1363
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:16,680
that's yeah, connecting with
Spotify network of advertising

1364
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,740
partners, also known as the
Spotify Audience Network.

1365
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,360
Apparently they own the
audience. I'd love the chance to

1366
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,180
learn more about your show and
discuss a few options for

1367
01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:29,970
monetization. Let me know if
there's a good time connector

1368
01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:34,560
feel free to grab some time on
my calendar. Oh wait there's a

1369
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:41,610
link who does this Well, welcome
to my scheduling played page

1370
01:31:41,610 --> 01:31:47,220
please follow the instructions
Oh my follow up and put it on

1371
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:47,730
the show.

1372
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:53,370
We should interview and see if
we can sell our remnant

1373
01:31:53,370 --> 01:31:59,400
podcasting 2.0 inventory what
remnant in the in regard remnant

1374
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,880
on radio is the like three
o'clock in the morning stuff

1375
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:03,240
right?

1376
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:11,430
Yeah, this is thing think I
think this is so you have you

1377
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:14,910
have spots left you basically
you can't fill your ad slots. So

1378
01:32:14,910 --> 01:32:18,420
I need to find something and
then they have some drivel that

1379
01:32:18,780 --> 01:32:22,500
you know is going to be below
quality the advertisers and will

1380
01:32:22,500 --> 01:32:24,120
probably be a very low CPM.

1381
01:32:24,570 --> 01:32:28,260
Li Shan like ShamWow guy or
something like that. That would

1382
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:29,220
be two o'clock. Yeah, that

1383
01:32:29,220 --> 01:32:32,400
would be infomercial, but not
just who knows just cheap shit.

1384
01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:34,020
Just cheap shit. Yeah, that's

1385
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,160
yeah, we should sell it. We
should sell some podcasting. 2.0

1386
01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:46,050
inventory slots? No. is what
megaphone should do for us? Our

1387
01:32:46,050 --> 01:32:47,520
monetization strategy?

1388
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,280
Yeah, well, not everything in
the world is about monetizing.

1389
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,470
See the job we're doing here.

1390
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:59,580
Some of it's about poverty.
Yeah.

1391
01:32:59,610 --> 01:33:03,420
Do we have anything else for our
board meeting here before

1392
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:06,240
everyone files out and grabs a
coffee and a doughnut on the way

1393
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:06,540
out?

1394
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:12,240
Well, I've got some really funny
stuff about NF T's. Oh, okay.

1395
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,610
And how stupid that thing is,
but next week,

1396
01:33:14,970 --> 01:33:19,200
okay, because that'll give Brian
of London some time to get ready

1397
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,030
to take notes to excoriate you.

1398
01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:26,220
Well, he's got no what he'll do
is he'll he'll code up a hive to

1399
01:33:26,220 --> 01:33:31,500
NFT gateway, or some some crap
that like, Bitcoin shoots out in

1400
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:33,990
fts. The other side, I gotta
tell you, man running on his

1401
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:34,920
mom's laptop.

1402
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:39,180
There's there's two people who
keep me yammering at me about NF

1403
01:33:39,180 --> 01:33:45,000
T's one is comics read blogger.
And the other one is Mo. Mo's,

1404
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,580
like there's something here I'm
I want to do something with

1405
01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:48,120
this. Okay.

1406
01:33:48,810 --> 01:33:52,230
Okay, let's talk about it next
week. Because you hear how this

1407
01:33:52,230 --> 01:33:53,400
stuff happens.

1408
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:58,950
Oh, yeah. No, I Okay, we'll do
that next week. Thank you,

1409
01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:02,010
everybody. Thanks for for
sticking around and waiting a

1410
01:34:02,010 --> 01:34:05,190
little bit for the board meeting
due to technical difficulties.

1411
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,050
We'll be back again. Next
Friday. Do once again give you

1412
01:34:10,050 --> 01:34:14,010
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