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podcasting 2.0 for October
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nothing once again welcome
everybody to the board meeting

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everything that's happening all

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the gossip bovard podcast index
dot social. Hey everybody How

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you doing? So good to have you
here it is Friday we've got a

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great guest and of course I am
Adam Curry here in the heart of

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Hill Country Texas and in
Alabama, the man whose padded

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walls are more than in any
asylum. My friend on the other

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end, Mr. Dave Jones

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sounds good like it this week.

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Like what? Why you going crazy,
bro?

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Yeah, just, you know, the all
the stuff going on. There's

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always never it never stops.
There's always something there's

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always something new. Yes,
yesterday we got on. So, I've

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been working on this live chat
thing. Yeah. And had just pulled

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up just this. I mean, this
thing's barely just pieced

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together with me. No tape. And
so but I'm like, okay, I want to

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get a an idea of what of how it
feels. So I mean, we need some

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people in there need some
interaction I want I want to see

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how the flow is and the UI and
all that kind of jazz. You know,

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just rudimentary stuff. Sure.
And so I put it on, I posted it

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on on the mastodon and link just
to one to a session on the

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server. And, you know, a few
people jumped in.

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And it started to work. People
were replying,

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yes. If it weren't for all of
about 45 seconds. And you know,

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I said I said, Hey, you know,
there's no this there's no,

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there's no user input
sanitization. There's none of

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that in here. This is all you
know, this is just wireframe

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stuff. Well, you know, of
course, the JavaScript guys get

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in there and just immediately
start, you know, freaking out

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and going, and like, taking over
everybody else's browser,

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JavaScript on their tags and
their messages. Yeah, yeah. It

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devolved into chaos. How

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much we forget about how things
work in the real world. You got

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to put in 8 million things to
stop the script kiddies. Yeah.

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Ryan Hirsch changed the entire
UI for everybody. Fine,

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what was the point? Was the
point and just show their

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prowess or just a mess with you,
Dave. What do you think the

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point was? Yeah. Yeah. That's
very funny. I remember the first

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time I did an Reebok was my
client we build planet Reebok

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calm I'm talking the 90s. And

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when it Reebok the pumps were
you pump.

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The pump. We as we did the
launch to the pump, but this was

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still Shaq was their big guy,
right? Literally. And so they

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had Shaq, and we went to the
interest. I think it was

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actually it was it was probably
the Super Bowl, but Shaq was

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going to be there. So we were
interviewing Shaq, and we'd set

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up an IRC chat that you know,
this is 99 What could possibly

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go wrong? Right.

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Like, halfway through what was
going on yesterday, I was just

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laughing so hard, because this
crap was flying everywhere. Go

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ahead.

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So so the night before we're
sitting here with Chris, Jacob,

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Nick, God, Chris, we got to get
Chris on the show one time he's

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been through every podcast war
with me. And and so we have the

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IRC going and then there's a net
split, boom, someone hijacks the

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channel, which we've been
promoting, which Reebok had you

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know, put in their print
advertising? So now and there's

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this guy going like no, no, I
don't want any commercial crap

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here on IRC go away. I'm not
giving this up. So we had to

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coax this guy until like three
in the morning. And then

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finally, finally, I can't
remember what we had to do. But

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we finally just got it got
control back was like holy crap,

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just those kinds of things. You
know, you don't think about and

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quite honestly. It's really kind
of fair that way. You know, when

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I remember the first days, I
came in with my, even before MTV

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calm, but I was MTV guy, on the
Usenet groups and people like

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eff off commercial aihole like
what do you just want to want to

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participate in the old dot music
conversation now get out of

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here. Get sued? Yes. sued
Really? In this fair is fair,

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it's we came in we ruined a lot.
No doubt about it. We made a lot

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of great, but we certainly
ruined a lot. Yeah, there you

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go. So yeah. So I feel I feel
that yes, I know exactly how

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that went. It's beautiful.

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Same thing happened with freedom
patroller at the very beginning,

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because we were putting that in,
this was just the way I work, I

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typically will, I just need to
get something sort of put

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together, it just so that I can
begin to have a sense in my head

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of what of where the, what the
pieces are and how it's going to

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fit. And so, like user, input
sanitization is fairly low on

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the on the priority list, until
you actually have something that

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you really want to put out there
and have people use Yeah, of

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course, because, like, it's not
that difficult. Now, that's

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probably a controversial thing
to say. But when it comes to,

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you know, the way I do it
typically with user input

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sanitization is I mean, I just
take it, I just strip everything

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heavy hands, brought in security
policies, I mean, just to, you

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know, to the wire to the bare
metal, nothing but tax, you

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know, that kind of thing. And
then all the HTML gone

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everything, and then you build
back up just enough to get what

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you need, you actually build
back way

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build back better, you build
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Yeah, yeah. And they just know,
you know, not for you to

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write for someone else. So you
always go back for someone else,

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you build back better, only the
amount of content that's that

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you want to allow. So it's like,
you know, whitelisting for, you

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know, versus, you know,
whitelisting versus by

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listening, so you're only
allowing the things you block

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everything and only allow the
thing you want. And so it's not

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that it's really not that, not
that hard in the grand scheme of

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things, as long as you
especially if you logs you get

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the server side stuff, right?
The client side is fairly easy

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to lock down. And then I
remember when, when I was first

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doing putting pieces together
and the freedom controller and

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that kind of thing, and the
partial was working and in the

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river was working on his stuff.
And like, you know, why am I

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seeing random JavaScript
execute? on the river homepage?

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It was just accident. You know,
JavaScript, we'll get into a

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feed something Oh,

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of course. Yeah, of course, from
the blog post, of course. Yeah.

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there's no name back then there
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namespacing of Java, anything,
JavaScript anything so like, all

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of a sudden, something would
stop working on the page. And I

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would go into the console and
see this like, such and such as

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doesn't have any such object
doesn't have this function

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attached to it and why yes, it
does or was mining because it

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was overwritten by something
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was funny. Well, here's a
motivating jingle for you for

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life beyond your

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back. For someone else, it makes
me want to have a cup of coffee

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doesn't. So we're so what's the
status of it? How you feeling

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about the the live stuff?

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Oh, it's coming. It's coming
along. I'm gonna. I'm blowing up

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stuff today. So one thing that
happened yesterday? Was it

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revealed the that it's better to
have, and it's probably gonna be

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better to split it out. I've got
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with putting everything into a
single binary. And I don't know

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where it just comes from the way
I've always thought. But you

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know, we've moved here because
of ease of use, like back in the

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day, if you wanted to ship
something. It was easier if you

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just shipped it all packaged?
Yeah, one monolithic Sure. Yeah.

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But nowadays, I mean, we have
things like Docker and stuff

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like that.

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I'm always so amazed when I
watched my Linux Mint update to

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a system update. You just watch
all these different sources is

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pulling from all these different
places. And like it's amazing.

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This shit works at all.

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Did you ever do Linux from
scratch? Yes. Yeah, once?

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Yes.

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Everybody only doesn't want
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Yeah, exactly. It's like that
one small door in the red light

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district of Amsterdam. Everyone
only goes in there once. That's

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it?

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Yeah, it's like, Yeah, I don't,
I don't really enjoy spending 20

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hours compiling binaries from
source and it's just not, you

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know. But anyway, no, it's good.
It's going good. I mean, well, I

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think we're gonna switch it to x
MPP, which is

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Yeah, Alex h has been been
pushing for that. Right?

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Yeah. You know, that's just
jabber. Yes. What that is, but I

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mean, the

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protocol has been around for
what, 20 years? 25 years? Yeah.

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and that's the kind of stuff you
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That's exactly what you want to
use. Yeah, exactly. So how will,

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how will that work? Then? what's
the what's the concept? How do

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you tie it all together? Does
everyone have to have a certain

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type of what extra Do you have
to have to participate? I guess,

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is the question.

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That's to be determined, because
so the way you want to build

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these kinds of things is you
want to say, Okay, here are the

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pieces. And Alex had a good sort
of graphic yesterday, he just

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posted a screenshot of YouTube
Super Chat. And you've got your

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video stream, and you've got
your live your live chat, your

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live chat over to the side, and
then your comments. Oh, right.

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And so those are, those are
three different things. four

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pieces really there. You got
your stream, your Super Chat,

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your regular chat, and your
comments. And then, so what you

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want is you want to have a Pete,
each one of the pieces defined

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so that you can say, here's how
you do this, you're going to

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want you're going to want to use
this for the stream. This for

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Super Chat this for chat in the
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Right? And you need a kit. The
kit Yes. podcaster kit. Okay, so

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we'll need obviously streaming
stuff for the stream. But what

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is just going to be compatible
with icecast or something, I

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Yeah, you know, just something
OBS, whatever. So yes. There's

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lots out there then for

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Super Chat as booster grams in
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that booster gram part you have
to figure out how to package it

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you you want to know what the
transport is? Because the

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booster grams or you can get
them off your box. But how do

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you get them to the client? So
you would get them to the you

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would get them to the client
which

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right? Yeah, so you need the
piece that brings it in from

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your node?

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Mm hmm. Yeah, the tray you so
the transport for booster grams.

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And chat I was thinking before
was would be something like g

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RPC because it's, it's the most

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direct direct connection you can
get right in and you can make a

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call. Please note

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yet.

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Help me. I'm drowning. Dave,
what's going on?

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Now I was thinking about the
reason I thought about g RPC.

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And this what Alex said he's
like, well, how'd you get on the

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G RPC tip? And I was like, we
know it. It's, it seemed like

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the best way to package
everything into into a stream.

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This is RSR is HTTP two so it
feels like once you have the

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connection set up it's the most
efficient but you know he he had

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a good point. He's like well you
know, you want to you're still

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gonna have to reinvent all this
other stuff like authentication

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user authentication and identity
and all that kind of jazz. So

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now I'm thinking if we're gonna
go x and p p which already has

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all that stuff we just we just
Trent use x MPP as the delivery

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Mecca transport for the booster
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right but we but we run that
from our server into x MPP.

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Yes, we'll have some sort of x
MPP back on it's got

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it got it. Okay. Yeah, that
makes sense. That way everyone

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can get it.

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Yeah, yeah. So and then you'll
have activity pub during the

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comment streams for the
comments. So once you have those

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things defined then you can say
okay okay app you know

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you know Brian of London is
sitting listening right now

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going I couldn't do that all
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I think he probably already did

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all right.

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I mean that's this so then you
just say here's your here's your

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pieces and here's the format's
that need to be and then you

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have what then you have a spec
and so then you can then

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everybody can follow that spec
nothing I mean it

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I'm excited I mean you're
building it man so I'm you know

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and and people far more
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are in there I love Alex is all
over this. He has a lot of he

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has an awful lot of knowledge.

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And we all may sway does for a
living you know this

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podcast 2.0 consultants we all
know this. Yes, he does. Yes, I

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know his business card. You
can't take that crap away. We

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need more we need more nicknames
for people with nicknames Well,

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we have a Swedish trickler Brian
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that's his nickname. is his name
isn't even Brian is like, you

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know is a Josh or something. Who
else do we have? Oh, that's.

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Well, then we have our private
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keep that private.

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Yeah. You're saying out loud.

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Hey, we were getting some good
love out there. On the on the

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interwebs. And I have two clips
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people are picking up and you
know, this is so typical of

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podcasting. So analogous to
podcasting, one point no, how

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things just start to pick up and
just go and this is a slow

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growth business is just what it
is. Now, I still think it's

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double or triple the speed and
the growth that it was the first

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time around. But when I hear
stuff like, like this, this is

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the Lex Friedman podcast and
he's talking to Alex gladstein,

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who's the chief strategy officer
at the Human Rights foundation.

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And I want to say it's in almost
a second Oslo, the Oslo Freedom

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Forum. So I think this is I'm
not too big on the human rights

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foundation.

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Can you tell me what that is?
Because I know a lot of Bitcoin

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people like the Human Rights
Foundation, but I don't know

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anything about it. Well, is it
like the E FF, or something?

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Well, yeah, I mean, it's like, I
could do a whole podcast about

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the human rights foundation. But
there's but but not you. But the

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problem is because there's so
many places like the real one

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that I don't like is human
rights. Now. Human Rights now

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kind of plays like their human
rights foundation. And there's

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just a lot of problems. But in
general, I think these are

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pretty good people. Okay, but
honestly, I haven't I haven't

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gone in deep enough into them
specifically, but anything human

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rights dot, dot, dot, I'm always
questioning. I just have my

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issue. So

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well, I said, Well, I think this
because it sounds like an NGO,

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right? Oh, yes. Well, that's
probably exactly what it

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is. You think they get
government money?

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Okay, now let's see human rights
foundation. Let's see. If they

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got government money. Now. They
probably got to afford found

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policy. Let's find out how

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this works. As swerved you off
the road into power elite

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analysis

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now. Yeah, but you know, it's
done. It's all we can. He can't.

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There's no turning back.
nonprofit organization describes

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itself as promoting and
protecting human rights globally

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focused on closed societies.
They organized the Oslo Freedom

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Forum. Human Rights Foundation
was founded in 2005. Gary cosper

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off is the chairman. Now the
chess guy Yeah, yes. And believe

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me, he loves it when you say
that, hey, you're the chess guy.

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You're the MTA guy. Precisely.
We can't all be the pod sage.

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Well, that's true. Anyway,

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but regardless, they said
something nice about what we're

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doing so they're great.

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I do know that there's
technological solutions that

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will allow us to continue to
communicate and for creators to

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reach their audiences without
censorship and that's very

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exciting like right now you
could be deep platformed from

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your you know from like whether
it's Patreon or YouTube or

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whatever and your your bank
account can be closed down

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right? There are emerging ways
that Adam Curry like the pod

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father and a bunch of other
people are experimenting with

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your the other bunch of people
we have your audio podcast

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across the middle you know,
platforms that you know,

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censorship resistant, and then
your audience can pay you over

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lightning in streaming money,
like they can stream your money

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as they listen. So you're
removing the whole advertising

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piece you don't need to do
advertising anymore. You have

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this direct relationship with
your you know, your audience.

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And this is possible with
something like lightning where

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you can just stream money that's
censorship resistant. Well,

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I like these guys a lot. Yeah,
top notch.

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Exactly. You know, and whether
you're you're fleecing money or

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actually helping people doesn't
matter. You know what you're

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talking about. We love that
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I love these guys. I'm a huge
support. I

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am also huge. We should put 5%
split Yeah, into the Human

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Rights foundation. We could do
that. That's fine. I'm good

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there. There are official
nonprofit.

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Okay, whereas if they don't as
long as they don't get

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government money, I'm good.
Yeah.

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I don't think they do actually.
Okay. Then the other one, which

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was pal of the pod GG.

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Ah, yes.

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When on the Steven Stefan
laverra podcast.

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I'm super bullish, for example,
on new monetization models that

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are currently emerging like the
value for value model championed

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by Adam Curry and just
podcasting 2.0 where you can

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stream sets and you know you can
you can do if you like something

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which is like clapping with your
sets, and you can send small

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little messages like booster
grams, you can just, you know,

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set the Satoshi amount you want
to stream per minute and you can

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support creators directly and I
think this will completely

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destroy the advertising model or
at least change it in a very

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meaningful way. And I see this
not only for podcasts, but

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happening across all media. So
for articles as well it will be

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very easy to integrate lightning
in all those platforms and I

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think more and more platforms
will integrate lightning you

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know, just like we saw Twitter
integrated lightning tipping

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natively, you know, not not
everyone and not not in the

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perfect way, you know, like, you
know, the bitcoiners are up in

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arms that it's not perfect the
first time, but I think it will,

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it will get perfected over time.
And I think more and more

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platforms will integrate that.

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And what I like most about both
these clips is that the star of

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the clip is really lightning.
And that's and that's good weed

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this is this is I think we're
really contributing to helping

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the lightning network grow. The
more people hear about it, the

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more nutty booster grams people
send, the better gets, the

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better it gets. It's really
fantastic.

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Every tech not every technology
needs a kid needs the quote

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unquote, killer app to drive it.
Yeah. And

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we're those Warren of Bitcoin.

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The poor? Yes, yes. We should
put that as the mission

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statement on our iPhone,

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I think. No, I think we need a T
shirt, his t shirts and mugs.

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That's what we need right there.
The porn of Bitcoin.

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Well, now that we're d
platformed. Now that we're not

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playing D platform bubble on D
punti. platform.

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Now that we're uninterruptible

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on a yes. Okay, now that we're
uninterruptible we can just do

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it. We're good. Please print up
the shirts.

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I brought in a couple clips to
make fun of at other people's

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expense. Which, you know, I'm
good at it. And I like it.

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Yes, you're, you're what's
called an expert. I'm

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very mean, to me, but I'm
thinking since it's about face

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bag, and they're podcasting,
maybe bring in our guests, and

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we can have some and he can be
complicit. Oh, yeah, let's do

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it. Alright, well, we're very
pleased to have a developer on

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the show, who we've been
following from his very

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inception into the podcasting
2.0 Arena and not conception

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now. Well, we don't know exactly
what happened there. But he, he

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was immaculate for sure. The
developer of the fountain app,

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the creator of the first as far
as I know, fabulous marketing

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promotion of doubling your SATs
on every single boost. Ladies

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and gentlemen, please welcome to
the boardroom. Oscar Mary. Yeah.

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Hello, hello.

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Oscar as again,

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as good as the Oscar of of the
2x match fame. That's that was

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us bringing out the big guns
with the, you know, tried and

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true. We're gonna we're gonna
match system love it.

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I have to say that blew me away.
This is that is exactly the kind

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of stuff I love. I know, it's
what we need to be doing what

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developers need to be thinking
of how they could promote stuff.

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He was unique. What was the
response to it?

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Yeah, it was great. And I think
it just gives people a bit of a

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reminder to, you know, go in and
booth. And you know, at the end

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of the day is about showing the
podcast that you love, that you

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care about them, and you want to
support them. The interesting

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thing as well, is we didn't
actually spend any new money on

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that we just took the app fees
that we got from our 5% and use

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that to fund the two for one. So
I think that's interesting. Oh,

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yeah, just

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I love that

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I just take the fees that we
get, and kind of put them back

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out into these little mini
markets. I hope to do more.

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Did you automate this? Or did
you do it manually?

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No, it was manual. It was
actually I thought it would be a

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quick job. He sent over to me
about four hours to go through

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and manually do it. Oh, no.

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Yeah, I was thinking I was in my
mind. I was like, oh, how could

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you do that? I guess you could
do a multiplier you could put

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that in there. You could script
it in like that probably will

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take a lot of extra work. But I
loved it. And I know that we I

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saw for the for this show. I saw
multiple doubles come in. So we

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super appreciate it. But let's
let's talk about you, man.

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You're in London. What the hell
do you do? Are you a developer?

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I mean, you just you just
appeared into our life and we're

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happy to have you but you know,
we need that backstory here.

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Yeah, definitely. So I'm a
developer fundamentally. And for

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the whole of this year, I guess
I was a lurker on the

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podcasting. 2.0 seeing, you
know, following the show,

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listening to very intently and
thinking a lot about it, and

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yeah, to give a bit of the
backstory of fountain. So me and

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my business partner, Nick, who's
working on something with me, we

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already had the app in
development and we will focus

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more on the clipping
functionality. But I was always

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you know, I got very lucky and
got into bitcoin quite early,

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but I've been following Bitcoin
Pretty intensely for the past

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four or five years. And so when
I started hearing about the

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value for value spec, I was just
like, this is a no brainer.

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We've got to do this. And so
yeah, as soon as we heard about

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that, that became, you know, a
core focus for

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interesting. So what, what drove
you to develop a podcast app in

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the first place?

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Yeah, good question. I think it
was a personal problem of mine,

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which is, every time I open up
my podcast app, I'd have too

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many episodes that I'd love to
listen to, but just wouldn't be

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able to get to, I wouldn't have
time to listen to all the

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content that I wanted to. And so
it was just experimentation at

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the start, which was, you know,
how can we make it easier for

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people to share the insights
from podcast, and like this in

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the same way that you guys do, I
think you do an amazing job of

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bringing clips to the show. And
you know, giving people a little

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window into what you've been
listening to in the week, or

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like what you've discovered or
like a new insight. And so

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that's where the idea of
bouncing came from is just

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allowing any listener of your
podcast to do that as well. So

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that was any, but it started out
just as an experiment, really,

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we were just like, Okay, can we
play around and create a UI that

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allows you to do that easily,
because some other podcast apps

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do it. But I think, when you
mess up, start messing around

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with the start time and end time
or the audio wave, it's just a

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lot to hold in your head, it's a
lot to remember. And so because

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we allow clip creation through
the transcript, just makes it

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easier to, you know, think about
it. In a way we have to remember

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different things in your head.
And

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that's really the uniqueness of
your clipping system is that

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it's based on transcript.

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Yeah, exactly. So we create, we
transcribe every episode. And we

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split the transcription into
blocks, which are kind of like

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monologues.

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I'm not on iOS. So I really
don't know unfortunately.

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Yeah, so basically, like, think
about the average length of this

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show, for example, you know, an
hour and a half, two hours, if

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you go back to it, after the
episode, and you want to try and

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create a clip. If you do that,
just with the start and end time

444
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and the audio wave, it's
basically, it's very difficult

445
00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:33,240
to go in and find the bit that
you want, in a way version will

446
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,330
actually make sense. But we
split the transcript into

447
00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:39,150
blocks, which are kind of like
the monologues. So that gives

448
00:27:39,150 --> 00:27:42,570
you an easier way to like browse
through the conversation like it

449
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:45,030
that you want. Now, is that edit
that?

450
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:49,260
Is that is that something that's
running on your servers? Or how

451
00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:54,390
is that created is a proprietary
the the algorithm that does the

452
00:27:54,390 --> 00:27:55,140
transcription?

453
00:27:56,430 --> 00:28:00,090
No. So right now we're using a
commercial service, which is why

454
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:03,780
for anyone that's used
fountaine, we absolutely only do

455
00:28:03,780 --> 00:28:07,560
it on request, because it does
cost us to do each

456
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,680
transcription. But I think in
the long term, we'd want to,

457
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,850
there's some really great open
source models out there that are

458
00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:18,930
like, almost there. So I think
to once we like have the time to

459
00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:21,990
have to do this, we'll just set
up our own open source

460
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:24,030
transcripts and energies is that
transcript

461
00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:26,970
Would you be able to run to for
instance, I have transcripts on

462
00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:30,630
this show, and I create them
through otter. So can you take

463
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:35,100
an SRT file and do that, you
know, break it into chunks? Or

464
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:38,370
is that that's really happening
at the encoding level of the or

465
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,920
at the trans transcription
level?

466
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,600
Yeah, so we can do that it just
depends on the transcript format

467
00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:48,600
and whether we have the
timestamps for every single

468
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,120
word. So I think I transcript
format that's in podcasting. 2.0

469
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,320
is back just has the transcript
split into an image or the right

470
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,450
word for it, but basically
sentences Yes, the power word

471
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,920
timestamp, so that when you edit
the text, you can remove you

472
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,950
know, parts and we'll just cut
that automatically. We

473
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:15,660
think that's an option. I think
that's an option but it will

474
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:18,960
probably look like shit in the
in the podcasting 2.0 app then

475
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,920
in the other ones.

476
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,760
So is that still SRT? is t
format, still go down to the

477
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,920
word by word? level?

478
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:35,790
trying to remember the name of
the format and look it up.

479
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:42,960
I was just thinking because it
would be mean it would save it

480
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,460
would save you so much. While
processing Yes, yeah, yeah. And

481
00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:51,090
speed it up too. Because you
know, when I use a use fountain,

482
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:54,870
in in my rotation, and so when
whenever I'm trying to make a

483
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:58,980
clip, there's always that that
lag that pause there. If you had

484
00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:01,980
a if you had an Episode that
already had a transcript in it.

485
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:06,090
That would be like you could
just suck it in and not even

486
00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:10,050
have to do not even have to
process it. If, if we can, if we

487
00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:13,440
can do the SRT as a per word,
you know that that would just

488
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,620
save you all kinds of time.
Yeah, and man, I

489
00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:19,560
think the way to do it, the way
I've thought about it is to

490
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:24,570
create some kind of open source
service that does this based on

491
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:27,030
the open source models out
there. So anyone could do this,

492
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:30,000
or anyone could like integrate
this into whether it's the

493
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,640
hosting platform, because the
models are out there. It's just

494
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,080
about hooking everything up into
a service, so you can actually

495
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:40,590
use it.

496
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:45,270
So this, there are decent models
now because I've been searching

497
00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:48,510
for this kind of stuff for
various projects on and off for

498
00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:53,940
a while. And it always seemed
like the the speech to text,

499
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,430
stuff was like there was a few,
like poor, open source things

500
00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:01,860
out there. And most of the
really high quality stuff was

501
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:04,500
all proprietary. Has that
changed over the last couple

502
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:04,950
years?

503
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:09,000
Yeah, definitely. So actually,
the start of this year, there

504
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,840
was there's been a few models
that have been released, that

505
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:16,500
really improved the accuracy.
Yeah. And that was one of the

506
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,970
reasons why we felt comfortable
going with this model of using

507
00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:22,980
the transcript. Because
obviously, up front, we were

508
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:27,270
like, this is never gonna work
at scale because of the cost of

509
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:30,540
using these commercial services.
But one of the things that gave

510
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:33,180
us confidence was the
development of these open source

511
00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:36,570
models. So yeah, they are out
there. The what the last time I

512
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:40,830
checked, the one thing that was
missing was the actual word

513
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:44,130
level timings. But they're
actually not too difficult. I

514
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,370
mean, I say not too difficult
for someone that, you know, has

515
00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:50,670
experience with these models.
It's not too difficult to that

516
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:55,380
on our list to Yeah, to have a
go implementing that. But it's a

517
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:55,890
bit of a

518
00:31:56,910 --> 00:32:01,080
it's a big job. otter does not
export time codes by word,

519
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,490
unfortunately.

520
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,870
Yeah, okay. I think I think AWS
does,

521
00:32:07,439 --> 00:32:10,409
nods. I switched in a heartbeat.
That's no problem. Well, it's

522
00:32:10,409 --> 00:32:12,989
let's let's keep the let's
definitely keep this part, this

523
00:32:12,989 --> 00:32:17,039
dialogue going. Because, I mean,
if we can make that better. And

524
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,829
if it helps with making clips,
I'm sure pod verse would be

525
00:32:19,829 --> 00:32:20,579
interested to

526
00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:29,070
know, if it's a I'm thinking,
you know, if you if you had

527
00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:35,430
something like this that would
pull in cars like, Well, let me

528
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:38,280
let me really back and rephrase
this. Do you think you're going

529
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,850
to be doing comments or support
for that glide cross app

530
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:45,270
comments? When when we when we
sort of get that, you know,

531
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:47,370
finalized room in in production?

532
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:50,640
Yeah, definitely 100%.

533
00:32:51,419 --> 00:32:54,149
Okay, because I was just
thinking that those, you know,

534
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:57,929
you could have clips and that
kind of thing coming in through

535
00:32:58,589 --> 00:33:02,339
like the car, once you have a
comment system, you have all

536
00:33:02,339 --> 00:33:05,519
kinds of things that you can
draw from, you know, essentially

537
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,879
your crowd, your crowdsourcing
at that point. So then you can

538
00:33:08,879 --> 00:33:13,739
put in, you can start putting
things like clip sharing through

539
00:33:13,739 --> 00:33:14,999
the car through the comments.

540
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:19,140
Example, exactly.

541
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,780
hearing you talk. It's It's
interesting, because that that

542
00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:24,600
makes more sense to me why the
fountain app when you first

543
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,970
launch it, the clip screen or a
sort of clip, timeline feed is,

544
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:34,710
is where you land first. Because
you That was your real main goal

545
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:37,980
with that was to do discovery
through clip clipping.

546
00:33:39,270 --> 00:33:42,000
Yeah, exactly. And I think one
of the things that's like being

547
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,960
really fun testing it, is that
you get a window into what other

548
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,380
people are listening. But
everyone has their core topics

549
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:52,650
that they enjoy and listen to
podcast regularly on. For

550
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:57,360
example, for me, it's podcasting
is Bitcoin. But it's really

551
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,080
interesting to see I get that
window into other people's

552
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,900
interest that you're never going
to be interested enough to

553
00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:07,530
listen to a podcast on a weekly
basis. But that doesn't mean

554
00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:11,400
that you don't get like really
great insight or, you know, make

555
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,940
you laugh. Or just by hearing a
two minute clip from a random

556
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:17,550
podcast on a topic that you've
never even heard about.

557
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:23,790
Not not having seen the UI. The
certain amount of recent version

558
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:28,140
is something you could do kind
of like SoundCloud used to do

559
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:32,280
with comments on the timeline
with booster grams since the app

560
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,450
would receive presumably a copy
of the booster gram with a with

561
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:39,240
a split. You could put that into
the timeline.

562
00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:44,550
Yeah, exactly. We were thinking
about this and definitely want

563
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:47,850
to do something like that. I
think it's waiting to see how

564
00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:53,880
the cross app implementation all
that kind of goes before

565
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,450
deciding on the UI. But yeah, I
mean, that's, that's where it

566
00:34:57,450 --> 00:35:00,840
sounds like everything's going
and like you Want to be able to?

567
00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:05,100
Yeah, communicate across app,
see what people commented in

568
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:07,830
what section of the show. And
also, like, see what they're

569
00:35:07,830 --> 00:35:10,830
linking in in terms of
additional content, like in

570
00:35:10,830 --> 00:35:14,040
exactly the same you guys do on
your show? You know, bringing in

571
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,310
a clip from this podcast saying,
Hey, here's another perspective

572
00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:19,650
on that is additional
information if you're not too

573
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:21,510
sure about there, so you need to
catch up

574
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,360
as you want. You want the user
you want the users to be

575
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,290
introducing that?

576
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:31,980
Yeah, I think so. I think it
adds, it adds loads of value if

577
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:34,920
the user can bring, you know,
different perspectives hold more

578
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,730
information.

579
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:40,050
Totally, totally. So you
mentioned your business partner,

580
00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:43,710
Nick, is there any business that
you have? I mean, this kind of

581
00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:46,110
development is typically your
vow of poverty?

582
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:53,340
It has been it has been until
very recently. That's definitely

583
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:58,770
the right word poverty. But
yeah, we actually recently got a

584
00:35:58,770 --> 00:36:00,510
little bit of funding, which is
great.

585
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:05,580
Congratulations. Congrats. And
is it from, from my, from my

586
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:06,450
Russian friend.

587
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:11,730
And there's a few people that
have been, they've been really,

588
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:12,420
yeah,

589
00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:16,230
good. Well, I'm glad I'm very
happy to hear that. Fantastic.

590
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:19,440
Congratulations. Remember,
remember, the Russians always

591
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,090
want their money back, though.
So just just be still just send

592
00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:29,580
your brother round to come and
get it? That's cool, man. Okay,

593
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:34,020
so you're able to move forward?
And and is your so your plan is

594
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:40,950
to continue making money off of
the as a part of the value for

595
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:43,110
value? Or do you have other
thoughts about that? Or the

596
00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:44,280
things you're going to do?

597
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:52,260
Yeah, so the way we monetize is
I mean, it's very early. But we

598
00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:56,760
take a 5% be on top of every
lightning payment,

599
00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:00,660
you want to shoot? Yes, thank
you. I want to ask you, sorry

600
00:37:00,660 --> 00:37:03,330
for interrupting. Because the
only as far as I know, the only

601
00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:07,890
other app that takes 5% is
breeze, and most others don't.

602
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:12,540
So I wanted to understand your
thinking, why you did it. And

603
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,880
you know, just Yeah, for what
reasons? Because I think it's

604
00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:18,240
more than fair, but just want to
hear the story.

605
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:25,560
Yeah, I definitely I think we
feel like we're providing a

606
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,280
service. So we think it's fair
to, you know, take take a fee.

607
00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:32,100
And then what we do is we
actually attached by percent on

608
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:36,510
top, because we want to maintain
the numerology. So if people

609
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:41,370
like to send a specific boost
amount, that won't get affected

610
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:45,450
and our fee goes on top. But
then also, we have a premium

611
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:49,890
subscription within fountain,
which is only 299 a month. So

612
00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:53,970
it's very low. And that will
take the fear away. So if you're

613
00:37:53,970 --> 00:37:57,480
not comfortable with the fee,
then you can just pay us a very

614
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,500
small amount monthly. And that's
the other way that we monitor.

615
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:09,960
Okay, so it's 5% on top of every
SATs and or 299. monthly fee,

616
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,710
and you don't even you don't get
the 5% you don't send the 5%

617
00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:16,350
Exactly. Okay, nice. It's a
hybrid model. I like it.

618
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:21,090
Yeah. And I mean, like, I
subscribe to the 299 a month

619
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:25,350
thing it by the way, if any, any
app developers I think pod verse

620
00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:30,960
allows, does this cast ematic
any, any developer that has

621
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,260
their app, you know, in a store
that allows a subscription. And

622
00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:36,840
I think that is a really great
idea, because it does give you

623
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,150
some stability, I mean, we're in
the early days of, of streaming

624
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:47,280
value for value. So I mean, a
stable source of income, cost

625
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,360
coverage income is is important
in our subscribe to all of

626
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,900
those, I think I think everybody
should, as I think that I'm glad

627
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:58,650
to see that you did that. And I
subscribed immediately. And I

628
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:01,650
didn't even never even I never
even thought about whether there

629
00:39:01,650 --> 00:39:04,980
was going to be the 5% like an
added fee or whatever. On top of

630
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:07,770
it. I'm just like, you know, I
take whatever, take whatever

631
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:11,220
percentage you want from the
boosts. And I'll also subscribe,

632
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:13,650
like, I mean, I'm fine with
both. I think a lot of people

633
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:14,610
would be fine with both.

634
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Yeah, Interesting. Interesting.

635
00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:25,440
I think so to actually. You'd be
surprised, you'd be surprised

636
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,800
what you get when you ask people
to just evaluate you for

637
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,730
themselves, right?

638
00:39:30,990 --> 00:39:34,230
I mean, if somebody says, here's
the way I look at it, you know,

639
00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:41,010
if somebody cares enough about
your app to use it, and and pay

640
00:39:41,010 --> 00:39:46,680
you 299 a month, they probably
are already willing to give you

641
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,680
even more than 299 a month. I
mean, you know the difference

642
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,200
between 299 a month and 499 a
month is really just not even is

643
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,820
not even a thing. So at that
point, I don't think they

644
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:03,300
actually For 5% split really
even matters. I mean, it's, it's

645
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:07,440
cool that you do it. But I mean,
I just assumed that you were

646
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,790
still taking a fee on top of it,
it didn't bother me at one, one

647
00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:17,580
second at all. I'm sort of a
broken record on on trying to

648
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:25,830
get app developers to at least
give people to give people as

649
00:40:25,830 --> 00:40:30,960
many ways as possible to give
them more money. And I just

650
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,190
think that it's nothing like I
would I would love to have like,

651
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:38,520
an optional, I don't even know
if this is possible in the app

652
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,170
stores, but optional, like me,
299 a month, 599 a month, 999 a

653
00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:46,980
month, you know, if you have
1499 a month, and a bunch of

654
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:51,600
different options, so that, you
know, I can support, you know,

655
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:57,300
these, these apps with, with as
much as possible, I think,

656
00:40:57,420 --> 00:40:59,550
because you're always going to
give, you're always there's

657
00:40:59,550 --> 00:41:03,960
always gonna be somebody out
there. Who does their 299 a

658
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,720
month is math 1499 a month, or
whatever, you know, and you just

659
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,480
never know who that's going to
be. That's, that's my fault.

660
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,060
Yeah, no, we definitely need to
do a better job on the

661
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:22,470
monetization. We actually rushed
that a little bit, because when

662
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:26,910
we first submit the app to
Apple, we were a bit worried

663
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:31,560
that we'd get rejected. Yeah.
With the with the lightning

664
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,920
payments, because of the strict
terms and conditions. So we kind

665
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,820
of put that we put the premium
subscription, obviously to make

666
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:41,790
money but partly to say to
Apple, hey, look, we're using

667
00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:45,450
your in app purchases. Leave us
alone in this other area.

668
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:49,620
So far, so good. Yeah, so far,

669
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:50,130
so good.

670
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:53,850
Weather, it turned out good. It
was good timing for I think some

671
00:41:53,850 --> 00:41:57,060
of these things because, you
know, you had the Japan there's

672
00:41:57,060 --> 00:42:00,630
a Japan decision about the app
store was that Korea, Korea,

673
00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:03,810
remember? Yeah, Korea, okay, you
know, you've had some of these,

674
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:07,200
these state level decisions
about App Store policies that

675
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,410
kind of come down in the last
six months to a year. And that's

676
00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:15,360
really, I think, loosened the
reins a little bit to allow some

677
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,530
of this stuff to some of these
new revenue models, like, you

678
00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:24,150
know, Bitcoin revenue models to,
to get through a little bit

679
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:27,330
easier than they may have
illustrious, say five years ago.

680
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:31,260
Because I mean, at that point,
things were still just logged

681
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:34,800
down as tight as they can be. I
mean, I saw yesterday it was a

682
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,460
yesterday or the day before that
Google you know, they've dropped

683
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:42,180
their, their, their percentage
split on the App Store from 30

684
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:46,680
to 15. Across the board, and I
mean, like there's there's real

685
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,890
movement of loosening up App
Store restrictive policies right

686
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:50,220
now.

687
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:55,710
They have to because they see
the writing on the wall. I mean,

688
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:59,340
I'm graphene I'm actually able
to get an update right now.

689
00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:02,340
fountain. I'm real happy about
that. Because I can't use the

690
00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:07,650
Google Play Store. But yeah,
this people routing around them,

691
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:12,480
like, like, everything always
happens. It's just it's nature.

692
00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:15,810
All this shit is just a bug on
the internet. We route around

693
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:24,120
it. Yeah. Now it hurts. hurts
when they do nasty stuff. So

694
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,630
yeah, would you

695
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:29,310
do good you do live chat support
to? Or would you just support

696
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:31,950
comments? Like, what do you what
do you think would fit your your

697
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:32,430
app?

698
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,110
Yeah, I think we want to support
everything where possible, or at

699
00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:42,390
least, you know, test it out. I
think the lie both the live tag

700
00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:46,500
and cross that comments are
really exciting. And I think if

701
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:49,500
you can tie them together as
well, you know, podcasters are

702
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,890
already doing this. They're just
using other platforms to do it.

703
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,110
So and now have you know, I've
seen podcast doing it, where

704
00:43:58,110 --> 00:44:01,140
they'll have a live stream on
YouTube, the live stream on

705
00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:04,560
Twitter, the live stream on
Twitch? Right, and you have

706
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:10,200
essentially, three chat rooms.
And, you know, no unified

707
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,390
comment. So I think they're very
much linked. And yeah,

708
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:14,730
definitely, we want to support
both of

709
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:16,260
them. That's cool.

710
00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:18,900
I want to go I want to go back
to your your promotion that you

711
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:23,130
did. I mean, from your side, did
you get I don't know what metric

712
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:26,070
you were using. Were you using
metrics to see more people

713
00:44:26,070 --> 00:44:31,020
downloading the app or just
usage of booster grams? What was

714
00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:32,700
the metric and how that
performed for you?

715
00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:37,680
Yeah, I think it was definitely
really it definitely gave us a

716
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,020
boost in the numbers. I think it
was, I think the biggest

717
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:48,390
challenge we've seen which is to
do this as well is people that

718
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:53,640
either one already know about
Bitcoin and lightning and know

719
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,890
how it kind of works or two are
incredibly interested and

720
00:44:58,890 --> 00:45:03,720
invested in trying out New Tech,
they're able to onboard to

721
00:45:04,050 --> 00:45:06,990
lightning, talk about their
fountain wallet and support

722
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:12,120
podcast. But the difficulty is
your average person that's never

723
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,260
heard of Bitcoin, it's very
difficult for them to, of

724
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:19,740
course, talk about their wallet
on fountain. And so we saw this

725
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:22,830
with the promotion, it was
mostly people that were already

726
00:45:22,830 --> 00:45:27,270
supporting, kind of like,
increasing their support. And so

727
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:29,790
we definitely got a lift, but it
was from existing people that

728
00:45:29,790 --> 00:45:33,210
had on boarded, I think, when
this is really going to, you

729
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:38,820
know, grow is when we can go and
talk to a random person on the

730
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:42,690
street and say, hey, check out
this app, and you can instantly

731
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:46,470
have Bitcoin on the lightning
network. That's the biggest

732
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:50,460
challenge. And I'm still unclear
on exactly how that's gonna

733
00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:54,090
happen. Because the way I think
about it, as well as every app

734
00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:57,960
that's on your home screen right
now, is going to either be

735
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,620
replaced, or is going to
integrate lightning into it. So

736
00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:05,220
this is not, I think, just the
problem that we're facing as a

737
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:09,600
podcast app, or even podcasting
2.0 every app is going to need

738
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:12,630
some kind of on ramp into
lightning. And so I think it

739
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:17,130
will be so I think it will be
solved, I think it may be solved

740
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:21,600
by like a party infrastructure
provider, like strike have

741
00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:24,540
announced an API. So it would be
interesting to see what they do

742
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:26,760
there. But yeah, that's the
biggest challenge. We see.

743
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,180
What are you recommending people
currently view users?

744
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:35,970
Yeah, so blue wallet is the one
we recommend two reasons. One is

745
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:40,140
just a really great user
interface, really clean and

746
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:46,020
intuitive. And, two, they have
the ability to buy bitcoin with

747
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:51,270
a debit or credit card within
the app removed pay. That's the

748
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:53,460
easiest way to do it. We're
actually in the process of

749
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:56,400
writing like a guide, because we
do need to do better than that.

750
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,430
But yeah, blue wallet and the
moon pain integration is great.

751
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:02,790
Yeah, like blue, white, a lot. A
lot has a lot of fun features

752
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:05,640
you can play with multisig
wallets, and all this stuff,

753
00:47:05,850 --> 00:47:08,760
secret wallets with separate
passwords.

754
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:14,280
Yeah, I think I think five years
that that's my gut feeling it

755
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,030
says this sometime, you know,
within, by the end of five

756
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:23,340
years, there's going to be a
more seamless onboarding.

757
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:28,320
Infrastructure available,
whether it's strike or, or

758
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,460
whoever it is, through the, you
know, that you can hook in? And

759
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:35,520
do you know, and just do those
conversions directly, just kind

760
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,970
of like the same as you would
with a stripe with a p stripe

761
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:44,460
API. I feel like that's going to
exist. And the, you know, I

762
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:47,310
think the maybe the thing that
people don't understand about

763
00:47:47,310 --> 00:47:53,610
strike is that and I've been
trying to express this is that

764
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:58,440
the, the way that they've
avoided the whole issue with

765
00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:04,320
exchange with the exchange stuff
exchanging Fiat for for Bitcoin,

766
00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:11,040
is by maintaining your your
money, as the state as the coin,

767
00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:15,810
that you as the Fiat in the Fiat
dollar amount until right at the

768
00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:19,470
time that you transfer it. So
when you're not, it's not like

769
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:23,940
going on to a Bitcoin exchange
and buying a bunch of Bitcoin.

770
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,810
And now your money, it gets
converted, when you buy it, you

771
00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:31,740
deposit the money into your
strike account. And then when

772
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:35,670
you go to top up a wallet or do
a transfer, then it gets

773
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:38,730
converted into bitcoin. So
there's no, there's no the

774
00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:42,960
complication of whether you had
a gain or a loss or that kind of

775
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,010
thing that that's it takes a lot
of that away. And that's, that's

776
00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:50,880
really the only way this stuff
gets solved. When you're talking

777
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,820
about converting, you know, back
and forth.

778
00:48:54,090 --> 00:48:58,110
I'll take your five years. And I
will say within three years, you

779
00:48:58,110 --> 00:49:01,260
will be able to send SATs
directly to your wallet from

780
00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:02,280
your bank account.

781
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:06,390
Oh, well, okay. I gotta write
that now.

782
00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:10,770
Please. Put it in the we can't
have a red book. No, it's on

783
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:15,180
legal pad, this yellow yellow
legal pad, whereas the yellow

784
00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:16,050
legal pad,

785
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:21,510
Adam, three years. All right. We
get we get this.

786
00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:23,670
You want to wait. You want to
get in on this Oscar, you want

787
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:24,660
to get on this action?

788
00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:29,520
Yeah. Okay. And on this, I'll go
for two years. Oh,

789
00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:30,780
and what's the mechanism?

790
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:39,960
The mechanism will be Yeah, I
think similar to what Dave said,

791
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:43,680
it will be through your your
bank app. I think it will be

792
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:44,880
instant transfer.

793
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:48,360
Consider that the fact that he
agreed with me I consider a

794
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,650
moral victory. Wait a minute.

795
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:53,250
He was agreeing with me. He said
Dave, but he meant me because he

796
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:54,570
said your banker will do it.

797
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:57,420
Oscar is a politician. He knows
how to split the difference

798
00:49:57,420 --> 00:49:57,900
horrible,

799
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:00,810
but and by the way, what's this
with the deeds You name Oscar

800
00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:03,750
Mary. Is this your Is this your
birth name?

801
00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:07,620
The DJ name? Yes. My birth name.
Yeah,

802
00:50:07,650 --> 00:50:10,980
that's fantastic man like
everybody is asking Mary in the

803
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:11,430
morning when

804
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,240
you think I should start a show?

805
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:22,920
With this exactly. With your
with your one air pod. It sounds

806
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,570
great. Don't worry. The show
will be fantastic. Actually, I'm

807
00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:31,650
quite impressed with the one ear
pod. It's it's pretty decent for

808
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:32,400
what it is.

809
00:50:32,609 --> 00:50:35,369
Everybody knows I mean every
podcaster will tell you if you

810
00:50:35,369 --> 00:50:38,069
ask them. Should I start a
podcast? The answer is always

811
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:39,659
unequivocably. Yes, of

812
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:42,600
course. Of course you should
talk about Hey, should we have a

813
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,350
little fun here?

814
00:50:44,490 --> 00:50:46,890
How's it like fun? Let's do

815
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,550
all right. So the new media show
this was this was a shockwaves

816
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:55,020
throughout podcasting, Facebook
s everyone was reporting on the

817
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:58,290
interview. It's the Facebook
interview. Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim

818
00:50:58,290 --> 00:50:58,530
Tim.

819
00:50:58,830 --> 00:51:01,830
Within podcasting. It was like
the Harry and Megan interview.

820
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:09,840
Yes. And Todd and Todd was
Oprah. Rob was there to rob was

821
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:17,370
like, Gail. I don't know if you
follow any of this Oscar, if at

822
00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:20,220
all, you know, we're even
talking about here. Yeah, yeah.

823
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:25,410
Follow that. Okay. So now, first
of all, because I listened to

824
00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:29,040
whole does the whole show. And,
you know, it was promoted on pod

825
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,970
news and podcast Business
Journal. And it was it was

826
00:51:32,970 --> 00:51:36,210
really build the bed build as
the Facebook interview. So I'm

827
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:41,910
like, okay, I want to eat what's
Facebook doing. And so, so is

828
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:46,170
the Facebook team, who were on
the new media show. And I have,

829
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:49,770
of course, that what we discuss
here is nothing personal has

830
00:51:49,770 --> 00:51:52,890
nothing to do with the Facebook
team has nothing to do with Rob

831
00:51:52,890 --> 00:51:55,500
and Todd. But I just have to
make fun of a couple of

832
00:51:55,799 --> 00:51:58,739
things. So I didn't hear this
interview at all lucky pro

833
00:51:58,739 --> 00:52:00,359
clips. I have not heard this.

834
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:04,590
Right. So this is so the idea is
Facebook is supporting

835
00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:07,710
podcasting or integrating
podcasting. And we really don't

836
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:10,770
know what that is or what it
means. And so this was the

837
00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:13,290
interview, I believe, where we
would try and we would we would

838
00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:16,830
learn about it, we understand
what is really going on. And by

839
00:52:16,830 --> 00:52:19,680
the way, this is not an
interview. This was an ad I'm

840
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,880
sorry to say it. But when when
the P both people who are

841
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,080
interviewing the the guests are
under NDA with their company,

842
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,800
it's not really an interview.
But okay, I digress. I think

843
00:52:31,890 --> 00:52:35,400
I'll just say bottom line,
consciously, subconsciously,

844
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,290
whatever it is, both Lipson and
blueberry really want to do

845
00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:43,350
everything they can to do
everything to make sure that

846
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:46,710
they're connected into this with
Facebook, so they can hopefully

847
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:50,040
get acquired. And I know that to
be a fact because if I was them,

848
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,890
that's what I'd want to do. So I
understand doesn't mean you can

849
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,480
escape scorn. So let's listen to
the Silicon Valley team, because

850
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,810
that's exactly what this is
Silicon Valley speak. And I'll

851
00:53:03,810 --> 00:53:06,450
have to translate once in a
while as to what is actually

852
00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:07,200
being said,

853
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:11,280
what do they say? Do they say,
right? Oh, you better

854
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,600
believe it, of course, if you
will. So we'll just start with a

855
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,060
quick little intro clip just to
get to get you ready.

856
00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:20,370
Definitely learning as we go,
we're absolutely paying close

857
00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:23,070
attention to the data, how users
are using our product, what

858
00:53:23,070 --> 00:53:26,250
learnings we can really nail
down where we are, so that as we

859
00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:29,700
expand again, intentionality is
the name of the game here.

860
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,020
Just want you to know again,
intentionality is the name of

861
00:53:34,290 --> 00:53:38,460
what learnings what learning
learnings. But intentionality is

862
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:40,800
the name of the game. And I want
to change our branding to

863
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,760
reflect that as well.

864
00:53:41,790 --> 00:53:45,120
intentionality is the name of
the game here. And so we're

865
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,570
really, really making sure that
we're going to do right by our

866
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:51,690
full size ecosystem, our podcast
readers and our users.

867
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:54,450
Okay, I just have this this is
why I got ticked off right in

868
00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:58,320
the beginning. When someone from
facebook comes in and says our

869
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,940
podcast creators.

870
00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:04,470
They don't have podcasts. They
don't have

871
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:08,760
podcast creators. It's not your
podcast creators. And I'm sorry,

872
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:12,150
I hate the creator word creator.
Dave, what are your thoughts?

873
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,940
I think the math my first
thought is that Facebook and

874
00:54:18,270 --> 00:54:19,500
their audio is terrible.

875
00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:26,190
Thank you for a podcast a team
that your audio sucks. Exactly.

876
00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:29,910
Yeah, I mean, Facebook literally
has been, you know, $100 billion

877
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,240
in the bank. I think that gets
this could pony up for a couple

878
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:33,480
of

879
00:54:33,509 --> 00:54:39,809
mics. lav mic at least Yes. Good
points are good point. Yes.

880
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:45,210
Yeah. And I'm not heard a lot of
verbs turned into excuse me

881
00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:46,590
nouns turned into verbs yet.

882
00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:52,080
Okay. Cool creator Oscar, any
comments so far?

883
00:54:54,090 --> 00:54:58,710
Yeah, I would say with Facebook,
I just think how can you try and

884
00:54:58,710 --> 00:55:04,710
fit that much Scope into one
app, people open up to do one

885
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:11,070
thing. And with Facebook, they
have basically every digital

886
00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:14,850
action under the sun in one app,
and I just don't see how that's

887
00:55:14,850 --> 00:55:18,780
ever going to work. So that's my
view there.

888
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:21,090
iTunes or social media.

889
00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:26,610
I mean, it's yes is the newsfeed
is family updates. It's the

890
00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:30,420
news. It's the newspapers,
podcasting is video,

891
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:35,610
marketplace, Craigslist and
marketplace. The metaverse think

892
00:55:35,610 --> 00:55:38,640
it's the metaverse is something
that you can do online, and

893
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,040
there's probably a button
somewhere in Facebook that lets

894
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,350
you do it. It's just confusing.

895
00:55:44,129 --> 00:55:48,959
So the number one thing,
apparently what all podcasters

896
00:55:48,959 --> 00:55:53,189
want, what all podcasters want,
from a platform, because that's

897
00:55:53,189 --> 00:55:55,619
what Facebook is. And that's
what that's why we're all

898
00:55:55,619 --> 00:55:59,009
excited because we all want our
stuff to be on Facebook. You see

899
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:02,399
this is this is where the action
is because they have 1.7 billion

900
00:56:02,399 --> 00:56:09,869
users. So we're hypnotise is. We
all want metrics. Are you going

901
00:56:09,869 --> 00:56:13,169
to give us some metrics, we'll
be able to see what's going on?

902
00:56:13,169 --> 00:56:16,859
Well, we have a feedback loop
like podcasting. 2.0 has with

903
00:56:16,859 --> 00:56:18,989
streaming sets and stuff, I
don't know, just thought,

904
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:21,840
let me ask a really important
question.

905
00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:26,699
By the way, this is a really
important question. And it's

906
00:56:27,089 --> 00:56:28,139
because Rob said,

907
00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:31,350
so let me ask a really important
question, too. And this really

908
00:56:31,380 --> 00:56:35,760
relates to metrics. What are you
guys doing on that side to

909
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,180
support podcasters? Knowing how
many people are actually

910
00:56:39,210 --> 00:56:41,280
listening to content through
Facebook?

911
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:44,040
This is like the number one
thing you would want I would

912
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:50,190
think, to be able to show the
podcast or something that you

913
00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:52,620
know how it's performing on the
platform, don't use

914
00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:57,480
it, can I can I cannot predict
what their what the metric is

915
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:03,240
their what their answer is.
Yeah. They are going to hook

916
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:07,890
into their existing that they
have no download stats. I mean,

917
00:57:07,890 --> 00:57:09,930
we already know I mean, they
can't have that right as

918
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:13,620
possible. So they're going to
get their metrics are going to

919
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:23,310
be engagement, based on
traditional Facebook. Ad sale

920
00:57:23,310 --> 00:57:26,910
pipeline. Good guess. Yeah,
good. The only thing I mean,

921
00:57:26,910 --> 00:57:29,460
it's only thing they have that's
because, yeah, well, they're

922
00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:32,670
gonna shoehorn this, they're
gonna shoehorn this stuff into

923
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:37,320
their existing, their existing
whatever you call that stuff,

924
00:57:37,350 --> 00:57:39,270
demographic pipeline sales.

925
00:57:39,450 --> 00:57:42,420
Right. But are you as a podcast
are going to see that?

926
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:46,800
I would think No, because it's
completely irrelevant. Exactly.

927
00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:48,060
Yes. This is

928
00:57:48,210 --> 00:57:51,420
top top top of mine. Oh, it's
top top top top of mind. Sure.

929
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:54,360
And thinking about metrics and
how we can help podcasters be

930
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,090
armed with data to understand
what's listening behavior

931
00:57:57,090 --> 00:58:00,180
looking like on Facebook? We
don't have a strict timeline on

932
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:04,200
this. Yes, I know that we are
actively thinking about this

933
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,850
right now. And for now, we just
encourage using the insights

934
00:58:08,850 --> 00:58:12,510
that you get from your hosting
provider. Oh, that said, very

935
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:15,180
aware of that. I think we can
provide additional color around

936
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:18,570
the columns or just like
listening behavior as well as to

937
00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:21,120
trying to figure out what that
looks like for us and how we can

938
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:21,780
create value.

939
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:25,470
The answer is no, you're not
going to get anything because we

940
00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:29,340
are taking from you. We are
taking the people who are your

941
00:58:29,340 --> 00:58:32,580
audience, we're taking their
information and folding that

942
00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:36,390
into our sales pipeline.
Exactly. Dave podsafe strikes

943
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:36,930
again.

944
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:42,810
They're not your they're not
your Facebook's Facebook's not

945
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:44,400
your partner, not your user.

946
00:58:44,430 --> 00:58:47,730
No, no, they're Facebook's
Facebook. Yes. Yeah. Make sure

947
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:51,720
you understand this. Now, Oscar,
anything you want to say?

948
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:55,560
No, I think he's covered it
well.

949
00:58:57,210 --> 00:59:01,980
Asked like, Man, these guys are
mean. All right. Now we had a

950
00:59:01,980 --> 00:59:05,130
part of the advertisement the
infomercial where we had

951
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:08,130
questions from the listeners.
And once you know, it is another

952
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:09,540
very important question.

953
00:59:09,570 --> 00:59:12,510
We did have a YouTube question
come in says why is the face Why

954
00:59:12,510 --> 00:59:15,270
is Facebook interested in
podcast? is a team thinking

955
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:18,480
about hosting podcasts on
Facebook's own servers? Ooh,

956
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,590
that's a big question.

957
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:24,210
Yeah, so Ooh, why is it a big
question a, because if Facebook

958
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,390
is going to host podcast on
their platform, they're taking

959
00:59:27,390 --> 00:59:33,750
away Todd and Rob's business, or
B. Or be Oh, we can get

960
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:37,050
acquired. Ooh, why would you
build something all over again,

961
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:38,670
when you could buy us? I'm just
being

962
00:59:38,670 --> 00:59:40,260
mean, do you want to split that
one?

963
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,010
They couldn't. They couldn't
even answer that. Oh, you want

964
00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:45,450
to split that one? on

965
00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:47,490
servers? Oh, that's a big
question.

966
00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:48,720
Do you want to split that one?

967
00:59:50,070 --> 00:59:53,490
Yeah, I can. I can dive in a
little bit to kind of like what

968
00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:56,100
got us here because I mean,
like, we've definitely talked

969
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:59,040
about the podcast industry. It's
pretty well established.

970
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,490
come from Silicon Valley speak
you will not believe

971
01:00:03,150 --> 01:00:06,630
there definitely are some some
key stronger players but you

972
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:09,090
know, like you said there are
maybe eight that are you know,

973
01:00:09,090 --> 01:00:12,960
cracking the 1%. And that's
primarily on like consumption

974
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,620
and directory type of type of
spaces as opposed to really kind

975
01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:19,860
of connecting the, the social
angle, but we know people

976
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:24,600
Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop.
What did she say?

977
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:28,890
Is she okay, so what was she
saying?

978
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,330
I feel like she's talking about
us.

979
01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:35,220
Well, no, what? Oh, no, no, no.
And by the way, not a single

980
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:37,440
podcasting two point out
question in the entire

981
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,440
interview, even though they're
planning on doing clips, listen

982
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,980
up, Oscar. They're doing clips.
And they're going to do

983
01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:46,470
transcripts, but it's going to
be their own thing. It's not

984
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:48,270
going to integrate with
anything. They're doing their

985
01:00:48,270 --> 01:00:52,470
own. That at least that's all we
can believe. Because there were

986
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:54,390
no questions were asked because
it's an ad.

987
01:00:55,590 --> 01:00:57,810
Because, yeah, because she said
she said there's bigger,

988
01:00:57,810 --> 01:01:00,000
potentially bigger players, but
she's saying that

989
01:01:00,030 --> 01:01:02,550
she's saying there's eight,
eight players that are in the

990
01:01:02,550 --> 01:01:05,790
top 1% I had to listen to it a
couple times myself so I can

991
01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:06,180
help you.

992
01:01:06,540 --> 01:01:08,760
Okay, maybe that's where I get
tripped up. Alright, so

993
01:01:08,970 --> 01:01:17,190
Apple, Spotify. Google, maybe
Amazon, you know, and then

994
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:23,310
directory wise. I don't think we
fit in there in there. 1% that I

995
01:01:23,310 --> 01:01:24,030
don't think they see us.

996
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:26,820
Yeah, I thought she was saying
that there's some then there's

997
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:30,720
some plus smaller also RANS like
the nice and directories like

998
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,840
podcast index. Oh, less than 1%

999
01:01:33,870 --> 01:01:36,510
Oh, yeah. No, we're pieces of
shit in her mind. Absolutely.

1000
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:43,650
Yeah. And very, very, very
unimportant. But, you know, she

1001
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:46,620
knows, you know, they studied
the podcasting industry. So they

1002
01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:47,460
know we all know,

1003
01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:51,510
they're definitely are some some
to stronger players. But you

1004
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:54,000
know, like you said, there are
maybe eight that are, you know,

1005
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,840
cracking the 1%. And that's
primarily on like consumption

1006
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,320
and directory type of type of
spaces, as opposed to really

1007
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,740
kind of connecting the, the
social angle, but we know people

1008
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:07,770
forget about podcasts, we know
that it's very personal to

1009
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:10,170
people. And we know you're like
looking at Facebook.

1010
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,070
What does that have to do with
anything about hosts? It's very

1011
01:02:14,070 --> 01:02:16,050
personal. It's very personal.

1012
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,010
We have 170 plus million people
connected just to podcast.

1013
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:23,940
Okay, here's where everyone got
boners Oh, what 170 million

1014
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:26,250
connected just to podcast pages?
Oh, no,

1015
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:31,260
is now. And that's over a couple
100,000 podcasts pages, not even

1016
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:34,470
getting into like the fan groups
and the different podcast show

1017
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:37,830
groups that also exist where we
see a ton of really deep

1018
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,250
engagement and also a lot more
activity than comparing to a lot

1019
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:44,400
of the other group types. Right?
Right. And so that's where we

1020
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,070
don't necessarily just want to
become a consumption player.

1021
01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:50,040
That's not really like there are
a bunch of those out there. They

1022
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:55,500
don't want to be a consumption
player. That's all they are yet,

1023
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:58,650
but they don't want to be that
they don't want to she's telling

1024
01:02:58,650 --> 01:03:02,850
you. They don't want to be a
consult. What do you think you

1025
01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:08,100
can ask her? What do you think?
consumption? What she call it,

1026
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:11,940
Dave? consumption action player
consumption player is are you a

1027
01:03:11,940 --> 01:03:12,990
consumption player?

1028
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,580
Yes, we are consumption play.
Yeah, in her mind, I think

1029
01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:21,780
Facebook just seems to be a bit
confused, because I don't think

1030
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:24,900
they know what they want to be.
And I don't think anyone else

1031
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:30,210
knows what they're supposed to
be either. And I think you know,

1032
01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:34,290
think about how use App, when
you want to listen to a podcast,

1033
01:03:34,290 --> 01:03:38,070
maybe you're going for a walk or
a drive or you're doing the

1034
01:03:38,070 --> 01:03:41,430
washing up or just the task
where you want to listen, you're

1035
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:45,810
not you open your podcast app to
do that. When you want to check

1036
01:03:45,810 --> 01:03:49,620
your email you open your email
app to do that when you want to

1037
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:52,710
check your messages you open
your messaging app when you want

1038
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:55,710
to and the list goes on when you
want to read the news you open

1039
01:03:55,710 --> 01:04:01,200
your news app you know I don't
see how Facebook fits into that

1040
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,820
natural way of doing things and
you have everything

1041
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,840
you're so right about this
because and I think I just have

1042
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,100
the the wisdom of age here
because we had America Online

1043
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:18,420
which was exactly what Facebook
was it had your all your stuff

1044
01:04:18,420 --> 01:04:21,750
in there it had your marketplace
it had your email and had your

1045
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,960
your bulletin boards whatever
they called it, it had your sexy

1046
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,720
chat, you know, all this stuff
was there. And then people

1047
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,880
wanted the internet and then
they got a browser and they

1048
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,180
never looked back in America
Online became a dial up provider

1049
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:36,420
almost overnight. And it tanked
to you know, the one of the

1050
01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:40,800
largest corporations in history
at the time. It was such a dumb

1051
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,330
decision. And so what's happened
is, you know, now we have this

1052
01:04:45,330 --> 01:04:49,740
reversal where one company has
tried to suck it all back in,

1053
01:04:50,850 --> 01:04:56,430
which obviously makes for a much
more compelling case. For you

1054
01:04:56,430 --> 01:04:59,940
know, to keep apps like WhatsApp
separated, I think that's that's

1055
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,320
Actually why it's WhatsApp is so
successful still. But

1056
01:05:04,410 --> 01:05:09,000
ultimately, when it comes to
product, it's a lot more

1057
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:14,040
exciting I think for, for users
in general. But for everybody

1058
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,130
tunes, it's like, okay, a mail
product, well, there's a million

1059
01:05:17,130 --> 01:05:21,090
different email programs, it's a
lot more exciting. And in the

1060
01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:25,020
open source world, we can
actually as users had to have

1061
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:26,820
influence on the end product.

1062
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:31,860
It makes It's worse than
Spotify. But it mean, everybody

1063
01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:34,830
thinks that Spotify is not a
great app experience. And part

1064
01:05:34,830 --> 01:05:37,830
of the reason for that is the
fact that they have when you get

1065
01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:41,520
just like Oscar said, when you
go into look to listen to a

1066
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,910
podcast, you don't want to have
to go into an app and then go

1067
01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:48,480
find podcasts. Right? That's the
worst. Okay, now, where are

1068
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,710
where do I go to get podcasts?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that in and

1069
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:56,160
that's bad enough in Spotify,
when they only have music and

1070
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,480
podcasts. Imagine going into an
app that has 12 different things

1071
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,550
that you can go through and
trying to go through and

1072
01:06:02,550 --> 01:06:05,730
navigate through there. It's,
it's not a good consumption

1073
01:06:05,730 --> 01:06:06,960
player experience.

1074
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:12,150
Consumption player. Anyway, I'm
sorry. They do

1075
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:14,310
not. She said she didn't want to
be that anyway. Yeah, so they're

1076
01:06:14,310 --> 01:06:15,000
not interested

1077
01:06:15,509 --> 01:06:18,689
in a consumption player. Well, I
guess all your podcasts belong

1078
01:06:18,689 --> 01:06:19,409
to us then.

1079
01:06:19,470 --> 01:06:23,010
Right. And so that's where we
don't necessarily just want to

1080
01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:25,800
become a consumption player
that's not really like there are

1081
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,670
a bunch of those out there. We
really really want to do those,

1082
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:32,370
you know, combine the
monetization which can also be

1083
01:06:32,370 --> 01:06:35,820
the hosting and also the
discovery and also just

1084
01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:38,340
providing opportunities for
people to connect with other

1085
01:06:38,340 --> 01:06:41,190
fans that are interested in that
particular show or that

1086
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:44,550
particular niche topic that none
of your other IRL friends are

1087
01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:45,690
actually listening to

1088
01:06:45,959 --> 01:06:54,509
your IRL friends. who still says
that AFK Oh OMG

1089
01:06:54,540 --> 01:06:57,270
fans, they're interested in that
particular show or that

1090
01:06:57,270 --> 01:07:00,630
particular niche topic that none
of your other IRL friends are

1091
01:07:00,630 --> 01:07:04,200
actually listening to. And
that's really where we can can

1092
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,200
differentiate especially on the
listener side and then just

1093
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,590
looking at the sheer volumes and
obviously our platform what we

1094
01:07:10,590 --> 01:07:13,650
can do in terms of distribution
and reach, helping you know,

1095
01:07:13,770 --> 01:07:16,680
bigger creators and smaller
creators, you know, better

1096
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:17,400
engaged with

1097
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:20,940
bigger creators and smaller
creators Attention Attention,

1098
01:07:20,940 --> 01:07:24,390
red flag, red flag, that means
they don't care at all about

1099
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:29,100
you. They want bigger creators
like Joe Budden, that's, that's

1100
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:32,910
they've, they've paid Joe Budden
to come on board it's so

1101
01:07:32,910 --> 01:07:36,540
transparent, of course, and
there's another one is Joe

1102
01:07:36,540 --> 01:07:38,160
Budden. And another one I

1103
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,820
forget what it is alright this
is my let me predict for

1104
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,960
14 seconds last

1105
01:07:43,470 --> 01:07:46,890
you know bigger creators and
smaller creators you know better

1106
01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:49,620
engaged with their their
existing followers but also

1107
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:54,270
introducing new audiences to
these these shows is really

1108
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:57,600
where we think that we can
deliver value so super, super

1109
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,240
excited about super super
excited

1110
01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:01,320
for what

1111
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:01,920
we can do.

1112
01:08:02,070 --> 01:08:08,850
Oh, Dave, I'm super super
excited. About what about

1113
01:08:08,850 --> 01:08:11,160
whatever you're gonna say I'm
just want to be super super

1114
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,770
excited. Everyone seems to be
super super excited.

1115
01:08:14,130 --> 01:08:18,120
I'm super super, super excited
about this prediction, which is

1116
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:24,060
that they will go after they're
gonna go after the exact same

1117
01:08:24,060 --> 01:08:25,590
Model Model A Spotify? Yeah,

1118
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:26,490
I think you're right.

1119
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,390
They're gonna hit. They're just
so everybody's luck. This is

1120
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:33,450
what's happening. Everybody's
locking up big podcasters

1121
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,820
they're going because that's
where, you know, 90% of the

1122
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:42,540
podcasting money is it's in Joe
Rogan Joe Budden. Well

1123
01:08:42,540 --> 01:08:46,260
they'll or they'll have they'll
have to buy a podcasting host

1124
01:08:46,290 --> 01:08:52,140
and I pray to God I know right
Oh, no, no. Yes, they have to

1125
01:08:52,140 --> 01:08:53,640
that's the model that's what
that's

1126
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,940
not Spotify model they you can't
get they don't need a host for

1127
01:08:56,940 --> 01:08:58,740
Joe Rogan. You come to their
app, but they

1128
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:01,770
bought a host. Yeah, they bought
a host but

1129
01:09:01,770 --> 01:09:03,780
it's a redheaded stepchild that
they that's

1130
01:09:04,230 --> 01:09:06,840
but that's my point. They're
stupid. So they're gonna do the

1131
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,230
same thing. She says we're gonna
be in hosting. They're gonna buy

1132
01:09:10,230 --> 01:09:14,430
one and I hope I hope it's
Lipson and blueberry. I really

1133
01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:18,390
do. I want those guys to be
rich. So they can put it into

1134
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:21,480
satoshis and stream that shit.
boost me bitch.

1135
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,840
They deserve it. They've been
they've been around a long Yes,

1136
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:25,410
they do.

1137
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:29,580
The who's the who's the ugly red
headed stepchild. These guys

1138
01:09:29,580 --> 01:09:31,050
need to be acquired.

1139
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:34,860
Yeah, they do acquire libery
they did CRO.

1140
01:09:35,489 --> 01:09:40,889
We'll call it called libery.
bluesun bluesun is also

1141
01:09:40,889 --> 01:09:42,149
interesting. I like bluesun

1142
01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:45,210
they need I mean, Hawaii is
expensive. tinies

1143
01:09:45,870 --> 01:09:49,980
he doesn't live in Hawaii. He
did you know he did? Yeah, but

1144
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:53,850
he's in Ohio. I think it's in
Ohio. Yes, yeah. Minnesota,

1145
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,720
Michigan, Michigan, Michigan.
Okay. Yeah, he's Austin.

1146
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,110
Actually. He's he said he's
gonna be in Austin. I Like I

1147
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:04,980
just have dinner. Dude, I live
90 miles out now it's like,

1148
01:10:05,009 --> 01:10:06,929
oh, no, yeah, you

1149
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:12,120
need a little more time. Yeah, I
need a little more time. No,

1150
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:12,690
this,

1151
01:10:12,750 --> 01:10:17,400
this is the problem. And this is
why we mock all these huge

1152
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,040
companies that come into this
ticket to the podcasting world

1153
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,930
is because they, they come in,
they barely understand it. And

1154
01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:27,690
all they want to do is make
money and take away their

1155
01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:30,060
they're gonna come come in and
immediately compete with

1156
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:32,700
everybody, and make everybody
mad.

1157
01:10:32,730 --> 01:10:35,280
Yeah, swing their dig around
going, boring boy, yeah,

1158
01:10:35,339 --> 01:10:37,529
yeah, they're gonna compete with
the hosting companies, they're

1159
01:10:37,529 --> 01:10:40,949
going to compete with the app
developers like Oscar, they're

1160
01:10:40,949 --> 01:10:42,929
going to compete, they're going
to compete with everybody. And

1161
01:10:42,929 --> 01:10:43,079
this

1162
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,420
is the for all they know how to
do. And this is the Forward

1163
01:10:45,420 --> 01:10:48,660
Operating Base team who's going
out there to make nice with

1164
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:49,350
everybody.

1165
01:10:49,769 --> 01:10:53,129
Yeah. I mean, immediately from
the moment you step your foot in

1166
01:10:53,129 --> 01:10:54,599
the door that everybody hates
you.

1167
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,970
Yeah. All right. So then this
is, this last clip is for you,

1168
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,710
Oscar. Because, you know, you,
you may want to consider

1169
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,820
monetizing through face bag,
because, you know, they got

1170
01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:12,000
plans, you know, screw this
lightning stuff

1171
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:15,180
to their any part of your
strategy that or at least that

1172
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:16,860
you can talk about this point
that has anything to do with

1173
01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:19,410
monetization? Yeah.

1174
01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:22,290
Yeah. So I mean, one of the,

1175
01:11:22,889 --> 01:11:25,649
she said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1176
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:29,640
This is this is the what this is
what you do when you're not sure

1177
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:34,440
how much you want to say? Yeah.
Yeah.

1178
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,770
So I mean, one of the kind of
the way that we're kind of

1179
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:41,070
looking at podcasts, kind of
long term is really just

1180
01:11:41,070 --> 01:11:44,160
creating this holistic
experience where we are being

1181
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,060
able to connect.

1182
01:11:45,870 --> 01:11:49,770
Okay, the only other person who
I've accepted holistic

1183
01:11:49,770 --> 01:11:51,630
experience from as you you said,

1184
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:57,780
They stole our word, Yes, they
did. That, that is some

1185
01:11:57,780 --> 01:11:58,620
douchebaggery.

1186
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,860
Think your words literally stole
those are words you wrote, If I

1187
01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:05,460
recall,

1188
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,960
I will claim will feel violated,

1189
01:12:10,589 --> 01:12:13,769
we're kind of looking at
podcasts kind of long term is

1190
01:12:13,769 --> 01:12:17,009
really just creating this
holistic experience where we are

1191
01:12:17,729 --> 01:12:21,449
connected for the users, the
discovery and the consumption.

1192
01:12:21,449 --> 01:12:24,749
And then for the creators, the
description, distribution, the

1193
01:12:24,749 --> 01:12:29,459
monetization, and ultimately,
the creating of that community,

1194
01:12:29,459 --> 01:12:31,439
or that social connection, kind
of providing that.

1195
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:38,820
Wait a minute, she's providing a
360 baby. We're getting

1196
01:12:38,820 --> 01:12:42,000
monetization, we're getting
socialization, we're getting

1197
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,070
hydro Fanta causation, and it's
a 360 61, more time II

1198
01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:49,200
and the consumption. And then
for the creators, the

1199
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,710
description, distribution and
the monetization, and

1200
01:12:52,710 --> 01:12:56,640
ultimately, the creating of that
community, or that social

1201
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,420
connection, kind of providing
that kind of engagement model.

1202
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,350
It's a 360 kind of engagement
model

1203
01:13:05,009 --> 01:13:08,549
is the 360 just like the full
circle is trying to say let's

1204
01:13:08,549 --> 01:13:08,789
talk

1205
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:14,460
to our expert. Let's talk to
talk to our expert Oscar. What

1206
01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:17,220
are your thoughts about the 360
engagement model?

1207
01:13:19,980 --> 01:13:21,360
I don't know what are three
things

1208
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,590
are not suitable for Facebook
this

1209
01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:29,340
year you're not gonna make any
money on Facebook only a little

1210
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:29,940
more torture

1211
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:30,720
Oscar hanging up.

1212
01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:35,370
Nothing specific. And I know
arena will probably be back to

1213
01:13:35,370 --> 01:13:38,550
but nothing specific that we're
looking to announce about

1214
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:42,810
monetization was one of the key
pieces of the the creator value

1215
01:13:42,810 --> 01:13:45,840
that we're looking to, to get
into because what's really

1216
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,770
important for us is to of course
support the vendor partners and

1217
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:51,900
the more established media
companies and things like that,

1218
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:53,910
but also everyday creators.

1219
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:59,430
Oh, there it is here. So of
course we know we are going to

1220
01:13:59,430 --> 01:14:04,440
support the big news
organizations. But of course we

1221
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:08,310
care about the everyday create
us what kind of creator you Dave

1222
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:09,420
and everyday creator,

1223
01:14:10,170 --> 01:14:11,430
and every Friday creator.

1224
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:16,020
Course Support, the bigger
partners and the more

1225
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:19,290
established media companies like
that, but also the everyday

1226
01:14:19,290 --> 01:14:23,460
creators, especially during
COVID, we started to see so many

1227
01:14:23,730 --> 01:14:28,650
people creating new podcasts and
ultimately, we know that Wow,

1228
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:30,720
wow, did you hear about that
Dave?

1229
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,050
heard a bit about that during

1230
01:14:34,050 --> 01:14:36,660
COVID like a whole bunch of
people started podcasting.

1231
01:14:37,050 --> 01:14:39,420
Yeah, and they're all on anchor,
and they all make $0.

1232
01:14:40,530 --> 01:14:45,090
And ultimately, we know that
podcasts, probably more so than

1233
01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:48,960
other media types are so
personal to people, and so able

1234
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,050
to provide that connection model
for some of the newer niche

1235
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:58,920
everyday creators and to
continue providing this content

1236
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,250
out to their users. The
monetization is a big part of

1237
01:15:02,250 --> 01:15:02,490
that.

1238
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:09,600
So yes, and no, nothing I can
say but yes, and it's going to

1239
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,520
be for the next.

1240
01:15:12,780 --> 01:15:16,800
Next, so many people are going
to get screwed. What was this

1241
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,090
deal? What was that neck again,

1242
01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:21,900
able to provide that connection
model for some of the newer

1243
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:23,850
niche everyday creator newer

1244
01:15:23,850 --> 01:15:28,350
niche, everyday creators. That's
who you are people that's that's

1245
01:15:28,350 --> 01:15:35,940
how they view you as a newer,
niche, everyday creator. So just

1246
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:36,810
had to be sad.

1247
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:38,430
That's disappointing.

1248
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:41,400
It is disappointing and you
know, we learned nothing the

1249
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,890
whole interview nothing, I
really didn't learn anything

1250
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,450
other than the other doing
stuff.

1251
01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:50,220
Yeah, everybody's, they're gonna
they're gonna come in and

1252
01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:52,470
everybody's gonna hate him just
Yeah, he's part of the

1253
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:56,430
Oscar, what can we do to make
your life easier, better or more

1254
01:15:56,430 --> 01:15:57,120
bountiful?

1255
01:15:59,010 --> 01:16:03,840
I think one thing that we could
maybe do because as I said

1256
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,660
previously, the biggest problem
we have is for the average

1257
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:13,560
person on the street who's never
heard of Bitcoin, or lightning,

1258
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:18,480
how can we get them some stats
in their wallet when they first

1259
01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:23,910
open fountain I was thinking
maybe if you guys are up for it,

1260
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:30,630
what we could do is we'll create
a wallet but in the spirit of

1261
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:35,010
today's show, and then all this
apps that we get from that

1262
01:16:35,010 --> 01:16:41,250
split, we put in a little pot
somewhere and then we just put

1263
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:46,080
1000 SATs in every new users
wallet so that they have

1264
01:16:46,140 --> 01:16:50,400
something to start supporting
podcasts because that's one of

1265
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,070
the things you've noticed as
well is that once people start

1266
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:56,130
they will continue so that's
something we could do if you're

1267
01:16:56,130 --> 01:16:56,670
up for

1268
01:16:57,150 --> 01:16:58,560
Dave I'm good with it you

1269
01:16:59,010 --> 01:17:01,140
i think is a fantastic idea we
don't

1270
01:17:01,230 --> 01:17:03,630
we don't we don't have Eric here
to ask but I'm sure he'd be okay

1271
01:17:03,630 --> 01:17:05,760
with it. Yeah, like I love this

1272
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,180
idea of putting in Should we do
that as a permanent thing have a

1273
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:09,960
permanent false

1274
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:13,110
well this is this is very
similar to what we were talking

1275
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:17,790
about several weeks ago it's
like how do we get money into

1276
01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:20,460
how do we have a pot and you
know not just for fountain

1277
01:17:20,460 --> 01:17:24,300
preferably but for all
developers so that they can you

1278
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:28,980
know, handout podcast apps with
you know prefilled with as you

1279
01:17:28,980 --> 01:17:33,000
say 1000 sites you know and and
set the default at 10 and let

1280
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,700
them boost you know something
although it's not really enough

1281
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:36,510
for booster gram

1282
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:40,440
cuz you know, I like this I like
this idea this

1283
01:17:40,740 --> 01:17:44,430
will do this and we'll do that
we'll Yeah, of course we will be

1284
01:17:44,430 --> 01:17:47,430
happy to do that and made and
yeah, of course, of course and

1285
01:17:47,460 --> 01:17:51,990
but I think we should continue
to look at a community type

1286
01:17:52,860 --> 01:17:57,750
function here. You know what I
mean? Yeah, something everyone

1287
01:17:57,750 --> 01:18:02,100
could could take part in because
I want people to be able to try

1288
01:18:03,570 --> 01:18:07,380
pod friend and Curio caster and
you also with a couple sets in

1289
01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:07,620
there.

1290
01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:14,220
Well, I like the idea of some
sort of a wallet that forwards

1291
01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:21,090
to other wallets. Maybe this is
this is more of a second second

1292
01:18:21,090 --> 01:18:24,930
step aspirational think taking
that idea of having a false of

1293
01:18:24,930 --> 01:18:29,340
having like a wallet that you're
going to fund other wallets

1294
01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:34,290
with. So then like everybody
could put in Okay, a lot of

1295
01:18:34,290 --> 01:18:36,390
people are putting in humans
right human rights foundation.

1296
01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:45,390
As like a 5% split or something.
We could have a wallet where the

1297
01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:50,100
the SATs hit the wallet and
immediately go out to another

1298
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:56,550
wallet in get split out into a
wallet at fountain a wallet, pod

1299
01:18:56,550 --> 01:19:00,690
friend, a wallet at pod verse a
wallet a cast Matic wallet

1300
01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:04,170
carrier caster, is they they go
out talk all the other way.

1301
01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:04,770
here's here's

1302
01:19:04,770 --> 01:19:06,420
like, Alright, here's how it
works. See what I'm saying?

1303
01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:11,520
Yeah, but I think we make it
simpler. So we have the wallet

1304
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:16,260
that that takes contributions
from apps, podcasts, whatever.

1305
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:22,410
And then we run a cron job and
we split up you know a

1306
01:19:22,410 --> 01:19:26,100
percentage and ship it off.
That's going to be the easiest

1307
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:26,790
way to do it.

1308
01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:30,300
And it's just like a it's like a
forwarder

1309
01:19:30,450 --> 01:19:33,450
Yeah, but but of course it won't
really forward but you know,

1310
01:19:33,450 --> 01:19:37,200
just run a just run a cron to
send it off to the sheet. I

1311
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,050
don't know. Is it built yet? Can
you just figure it out and build

1312
01:19:40,050 --> 01:19:43,500
it? Oscar Have you have you have
you scripted it yet? Is it done?

1313
01:19:44,940 --> 01:19:48,720
I don't think it will take long.
And also the podcasters can do

1314
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:49,470
this as well.

1315
01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:53,610
Totally. And that's a beautiful
idea. The whole thing. I'm

1316
01:19:53,610 --> 01:19:54,090
loving it.

1317
01:19:54,540 --> 01:19:58,140
Yeah, because especially you
know, some of the bigger Bitcoin

1318
01:19:58,140 --> 01:20:02,610
podcasts that are out there.
Essentially, this is huge, you

1319
01:20:02,610 --> 01:20:07,620
know, it's, it's a way to
onboard new people to become a

1320
01:20:07,620 --> 01:20:12,870
Bitcoin Of course it is. They
take 5% of all of the SATs that

1321
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:18,930
they're getting, and just send
them straight off to new users

1322
01:20:18,930 --> 01:20:22,170
that have never heard of Bitcoin
are completely new to Bitcoin,

1323
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,050
you know, that's beneficial to
the whole space. So yeah, I

1324
01:20:25,050 --> 01:20:27,660
think this would work really
well.

1325
01:20:27,780 --> 01:20:30,480
All right, a lightning
podcasting charity fund.

1326
01:20:31,380 --> 01:20:34,410
Yeah, we need a name for it.
Yeah,

1327
01:20:34,530 --> 01:20:36,630
the lpcs I just named it.

1328
01:20:38,190 --> 01:20:40,920
Wait, let me write it down. What
is it again? That?

1329
01:20:41,339 --> 01:20:43,799
No, it's the lightning podcast
charity fund.

1330
01:20:44,009 --> 01:20:47,519
Lightning. charity. Fun. Yeah.
LPC? I'm liking it.

1331
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:50,820
I'm resisting, calling it a
slush fund.

1332
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,720
That's a sad slush fund.

1333
01:20:55,080 --> 01:21:00,990
Yeah. Yeah, the SSF. Speaking of
speaking to SAS, yeah,

1334
01:21:00,990 --> 01:21:03,570
we should, we should probably
thank a couple people who have

1335
01:21:03,570 --> 01:21:06,840
supported this value for value
project, not just the podcast,

1336
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,980
but the whole shebang, which
will include the SATs will now

1337
01:21:10,980 --> 01:21:15,600
be handing out to it's like
communism, is what we are, we're

1338
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,180
like a bunch of commies over
here, handing out SATs to

1339
01:21:18,180 --> 01:21:21,210
everybody, which somehow fits
beautifully in the Bitcoin

1340
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:27,060
ethos, which is very attractive.
So your support goes toward

1341
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:31,440
that, and gore's goes towards
supporting all the servers. And,

1342
01:21:31,620 --> 01:21:34,200
and really keeping everything
moving forward. And it's

1343
01:21:34,230 --> 01:21:37,800
extremely appreciated. We do
take your fee at fun coupons at

1344
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,220
podcast index.org. The bottom
there's a donate red Donate

1345
01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:44,610
button that goes through PayPal
credit cards accepted. But of

1346
01:21:44,610 --> 01:21:47,820
course, we'd love to get our
streaming SATs per minute SATs

1347
01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:51,330
and our boosts and booster
grams. And, and as part of the

1348
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:55,530
value for value system, we like
to feed back to you with the

1349
01:21:55,530 --> 01:21:59,970
notes you sent us and and some
of the some of the support that

1350
01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:00,690
we received.

1351
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:06,660
The first guy that we got on
board here is Marco arment

1352
01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:10,110
coming in, he comes in almost
every month with $500.

1353
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,000
Thank you, Marco.

1354
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,100
I wanted to say something about
this because he I want people to

1355
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:23,640
understand what he's doing here.
He if you think he's a

1356
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,440
successful app developer, who is
one of the few that is actually

1357
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:33,600
making a living a sustainable
income, living income off of a

1358
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:39,180
podcast app. And what he's doing
is he's donating back to us

1359
01:22:39,180 --> 01:22:44,100
every month. And in order to
keep our servers running, so

1360
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:49,020
that we can reduce the financial
burden on other podcast app

1361
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:53,670
developers, by them not having
to run their own servers. So

1362
01:22:53,670 --> 01:22:56,850
what he's doing is he's using
his success in the podcast app

1363
01:22:57,570 --> 01:23:05,520
world to subsidize or help
smaller app, podcast app

1364
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:11,370
developers come on board. I
mean, it's it's very, it's very

1365
01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:16,380
ecumenical thing that he's doing
here. Because, I mean, he's

1366
01:23:16,380 --> 01:23:19,110
essentially funding people who
may end up one day being a

1367
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:19,980
competitor to

1368
01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:24,120
him. But he, but he knows he's
learned, because he's been doing

1369
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,820
this for a long time. He knows
that this is how it works better

1370
01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:28,320
this way, much better.

1371
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:34,080
And it's a it's an example of
competing on the competing on

1372
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:38,490
features and quality. Instead of
competing on

1373
01:23:38,490 --> 01:23:42,510
lock lock in or law. Yeah. Yeah,
exactly. We really appreciate

1374
01:23:42,510 --> 01:23:43,050
it. Marco.

1375
01:23:43,230 --> 01:23:44,520
Yes. Thank you very much.

1376
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:48,690
We'll just call that a boost.
Even though it isn't.

1377
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:49,950
It's a

1378
01:23:49,980 --> 01:23:52,680
fun coupon. Fun coupon boost?
Yes.

1379
01:23:53,370 --> 01:23:59,130
Marco. kimmerer send us $50 and
he says, sad puppy. Take my Thea

1380
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,550
fun coupons. Lester was still
worth something. Michael kimmer

1381
01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:09,690
homeless was shown the homeless
Yeah, Snowmageddon? That's hard

1382
01:24:09,690 --> 01:24:18,180
to say. This is from Alabama. I
can't say this. Okay, so drips

1383
01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:23,670
got this is this is a booster
gram. Okay. It's so big that I

1384
01:24:23,670 --> 01:24:28,950
put it into the into the paper
stack. What? It is 100,000 now

1385
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:33,900
it's 100,000 SATs that's
deserving of the off the top of

1386
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:37,740
the stack there. He says Dred
Scott said Can I get a birthday

1387
01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:40,260
shout out for lady Lulu. The
voice of you've been

1388
01:24:40,260 --> 01:24:41,040
defragmented

1389
01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:49,410
is he? Is he not? Uh, I mean, we
didn't really do the big baller

1390
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:52,740
boost. Yeah, so but this is this
is the big baller boost of the

1391
01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:53,130
day.

1392
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:57,780
That is the big baller boost of
the day, although we do have

1393
01:24:57,780 --> 01:25:01,170
some errata coming Well I'm
gonna

1394
01:25:01,170 --> 01:25:08,880
give it to 20 as blades on
ambala boost my big boss

1395
01:25:08,909 --> 01:25:11,789
is lady Lulu turns five today
she got missed in the in a

1396
01:25:11,789 --> 01:25:13,139
birthday segment yesterday.

1397
01:25:13,169 --> 01:25:14,099
Oh no.

1398
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,000
Check out the drip, drip mobile
in the last week's chapter art

1399
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,410
just kidding go podcasting.

1400
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:24,900
Go podcast and the podcast. Are
you sure she got forgotten? I

1401
01:25:24,900 --> 01:25:26,400
feel horrible about that.

1402
01:25:26,730 --> 01:25:29,670
No, y'all don't care about drip
on na. Every week.

1403
01:25:29,670 --> 01:25:33,840
What do you mean we kidding?
You're such a douche? No, we

1404
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,740
care very much. And I remember
because he sent in a note

1405
01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:42,870
specifically congratulating her
so and it was in yellow. So how

1406
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:44,160
that could not be.

1407
01:25:45,090 --> 01:25:47,280
No, it was in yellow and you
still forgot it?

1408
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:52,350
Well, I don't forget things
Dave. Oh, was Eric's bro. Does

1409
01:25:52,350 --> 01:25:54,510
Eric problem? Yes, exactly.

1410
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,400
Let's blame Eric. He's not here.

1411
01:25:57,810 --> 01:26:01,560
No, don't because it's, it's
it's messed up when it's not his

1412
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:01,980
fault.

1413
01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:07,320
Now I'm just getting married. I
love you, man. As he blueberry,

1414
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:13,200
he sent 1000 SATs in last week,
and I'm still trying to find eye

1415
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,950
contact. I'm just go ahead and
credit him with 1000 SATs. That

1416
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:20,160
was from last week. Thank you
very much. He's trying to help

1417
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:28,380
me out. And so this is another
follow up from last week. Who

1418
01:26:28,380 --> 01:26:31,650
was it? Somebody sent in? I
think it was anonymous and said,

1419
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:34,170
How many SATs are flowing
through the system? on the

1420
01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:36,060
daily? Do you remember that
question? From what

1421
01:26:36,090 --> 01:26:38,910
I remember the question? Yeah, I
don't think we you were going to

1422
01:26:38,910 --> 01:26:39,630
get an answer.

1423
01:26:40,140 --> 01:26:43,560
Yes. And I have an answer. And I
think Oscar, you may be

1424
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,590
interested to hear this. And you
may, you may be able to

1425
01:26:47,010 --> 01:26:55,410
anecdotally back me up on these
on this number. So 22 days, or

1426
01:26:55,410 --> 01:27:03,000
21, full days into the month of
October, there were 1,977,447

1427
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:12,210
SATs that came through the index
node says 94,000 SATs per day.

1428
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:19,320
And if we take a mark, it's not
a it's not exactly a 1%.

1429
01:27:20,219 --> 01:27:23,729
Because sometimes it's 10%

1430
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,120
Yeah, because of because of the
ways mostly Sphinx because of

1431
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,730
the way they split things. So
I'm just gonna take a margin of

1432
01:27:29,730 --> 01:27:35,880
error and say 10% just to be on
the safe side of edit at 10%.

1433
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:41,880
You're looking at a million sets
a day flowing through

1434
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:46,770
podcasting, a big one
podcasting. Does that sound

1435
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:47,940
feasible to you? Oscar?

1436
01:27:48,930 --> 01:27:52,110
Yeah, definitely. That sounds
feasible, based

1437
01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:52,890
on what you're saying?

1438
01:27:53,550 --> 01:27:59,400
Yeah, I would say I think, I
mean, we see this in all of the

1439
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,950
the biggest boosts that we've
seen have all been for the

1440
01:28:01,950 --> 01:28:05,490
podcasting 2.0 podcast. So
that's why

1441
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,680
they should be Yes, correct.
Correct.

1442
01:28:07,860 --> 01:28:12,390
Yeah. So that's one thing to
take into account, which might

1443
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:15,960
push that percentage, a little
bit higher. So that's Yeah, so

1444
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:17,370
we're talking thing it's
feasible.

1445
01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:19,440
We're talking $600 a day.

1446
01:28:21,090 --> 01:28:25,020
Yeah. flowing through
podcasting. Yep. That's that's

1447
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:25,680
pretty darn good.

1448
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,090
Facebook just fell down this
day, the Facebook.

1449
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:42,930
Let's name cranking the server's
up.

1450
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:47,520
That's right. We'll crush them.
podcasting. 3.0 we have here

1451
01:28:48,510 --> 01:28:51,720
let's see who's this? Oh, run of
London says last boost before

1452
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,570
the new show. 3333 sets today
thank

1453
01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:55,710
you very much Brian.

1454
01:28:56,130 --> 01:29:04,920
Boost. See, some guitar says he
gave 500 Sasa says booster Bama

1455
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:14,700
baby DAD DAD DAD the ad UD he
says taking advantage of the two

1456
01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:17,490
for one boost and fountain Love
you guys. Yes.

1457
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,750
And how many do we get 10,000
sets?

1458
01:29:21,780 --> 01:29:22,050
Yeah, I

1459
01:29:22,050 --> 01:29:24,870
saw that one double I saw a
couple of 10,000 double thanks

1460
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:25,320
Oscar.

1461
01:29:26,010 --> 01:29:29,220
And he says event taking
advantage of the two for one

1462
01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:31,740
boosts and fountain love you
guys cranberries will be on the

1463
01:29:31,740 --> 01:29:33,450
way soon as I figure out where
to send them.

1464
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:38,580
Okay. Oh, I sent him our
address. Oh, yeah. Did you Did

1465
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:42,180
you see the cuz I guess it was
this on the social. They're like

1466
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:46,710
how many cranberries do you
have? And he's showed a picture.

1467
01:29:47,340 --> 01:29:51,990
Oh, no, it's like a football
field. Totally. But just a

1468
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:55,680
little bit for two people will
be fine. Thanks. I guess they're

1469
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,500
professional. Like big cranberry
guys.

1470
01:29:58,889 --> 01:30:03,929
Yeah, if Maybe I'll send some
cranberries to Oscar they might

1471
01:30:03,989 --> 01:30:06,809
arrive in the mail decrepid and
disgusting but

1472
01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:11,910
before I forget, could you email
me your your node ID?

1473
01:30:13,019 --> 01:30:14,129
Yeah, Bodie.

1474
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:18,299
Do you have a full node or do
you have an lm pay with a custom

1475
01:30:18,299 --> 01:30:19,319
key and all that stuff?

1476
01:30:19,979 --> 01:30:24,299
Well I think we'll do it with an
LMP custom key just so that we

1477
01:30:24,299 --> 01:30:28,769
can set up yeah just so we just
put this split yeah through to

1478
01:30:28,799 --> 01:30:32,819
new users a new wallet then
we'll do that yeah, but I think

1479
01:30:32,819 --> 01:30:33,749
it was laid out that way.

1480
01:30:34,019 --> 01:30:38,639
Yeah, so just whatever you have
email me ASAP so that I could do

1481
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:42,719
the lmnop when I when I
published because I want to have

1482
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:48,989
it oh how that happened that was
spontaneous boosted sorry cuz I

1483
01:30:48,989 --> 01:30:51,059
want to put because I published
the feed I want to put it in

1484
01:30:51,059 --> 01:30:51,569
right away

1485
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:54,210
Yeah, I'll do that now. Okay,
cool.

1486
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:59,640
See sir bills in is to boost
grants for 5000 SATs each night

1487
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,900
both a two for one boost from
fountain boost. Here's your cue

1488
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:10,380
to boost you know you want to
that's 10,000 SATs Thank you sir

1489
01:31:10,380 --> 01:31:17,190
bill beautiful hardhat set 2222
SATs pike in his notes as

1490
01:31:17,190 --> 01:31:23,820
podcasting tos that came through
Curio caster Thank you harpa see

1491
01:31:24,690 --> 01:31:31,500
in V 4x send us 3373 SAS through
Curio caster and says thank you

1492
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:33,870
very courage and 73 7070

1493
01:31:33,870 --> 01:31:34,440
threes

1494
01:31:35,010 --> 01:31:36,240
in for VX

1495
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,190
Quito five alpha Charlie Charlie

1496
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:47,280
Thank you envy for x see who got
oh this is from this is from

1497
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,150
Daniel in he says he sent us
15,000 sets through fountain

1498
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:53,940
baja he's doubled do we get the
doubled did we get it on the

1499
01:31:53,940 --> 01:31:54,570
promotion?

1500
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,000
It's only up to 10,000 I think
so.

1501
01:31:57,810 --> 01:32:00,150
Oh there was a cap I didn't know
he was a cap Bhaskar

1502
01:32:00,180 --> 01:32:00,990
10,000 cap

1503
01:32:01,770 --> 01:32:10,020
Yeah, that was the cap just in
case someone pushy. Come on man.

1504
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:16,230
He was afraid dread was going to
drop like oh my god we don't

1505
01:32:16,230 --> 01:32:18,150
have a lightning channel
anymore. What just happened?

1506
01:32:18,570 --> 01:32:19,110
Exactly

1507
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:19,710
That's funny.

1508
01:32:21,180 --> 01:32:24,960
So Daniel and say send us 15,000
SAS he says to build Prague.

1509
01:32:25,380 --> 01:32:28,290
Speak for yourself. I plan on
continuing the petty corrective

1510
01:32:28,290 --> 01:32:29,010
booster grams

1511
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,510
ah Good. Good. Good. Good. We

1512
01:32:30,510 --> 01:32:34,050
like this. Yes. Yes. more of
that. More arguments please.

1513
01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:35,100
overboost agree Yeah.

1514
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,700
And feel free to continue to
argue once we have the live

1515
01:32:38,700 --> 01:32:40,950
stuff up you know, you can just
be on that page arguing with

1516
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:42,900
booster grams all day long.
We're okay with it.

1517
01:32:43,290 --> 01:32:48,090
Yeah, and changing everybody's
font to Comic Sans. There's 1000

1518
01:32:48,090 --> 01:32:53,730
SATs from v. v. He says hello
honorable gent. Gentlemen, your

1519
01:32:53,730 --> 01:32:55,830
efforts regarding the second
incarnation of the art of

1520
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:58,080
podcasting are the most
delightfully above the average.

1521
01:32:58,590 --> 01:33:02,010
I shall Wish you will continue
your good work and have the best

1522
01:33:02,010 --> 01:33:05,100
of luck while doing so. It has
been very entertaining to follow

1523
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:09,930
along. Thank you. Thank you very
cool. What a pleasantly formal

1524
01:33:09,930 --> 01:33:10,650
note that was

1525
01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:13,530
less formal but it was good.
Yes.

1526
01:33:14,940 --> 01:33:19,680
Mr. Graham from anonymous from
Northern Virginia says my first

1527
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:28,410
boost to go podcasting that was
a stack of one's 11,111 SATs

1528
01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:28,620
through

1529
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:32,670
just going nuts here.

1530
01:33:34,410 --> 01:33:39,660
You fell on the on the on the
middie panel. BSc 1000 SATs from

1531
01:33:39,690 --> 01:33:44,790
chris chris 482572 basses that
came through fountain and he

1532
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:48,480
says what stops an imposter from
publishing the same live reason

1533
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:52,890
code to hive Hmm Okay, well,
nothing stops an imposter from

1534
01:33:52,890 --> 01:33:58,650
publishing the same live reason
code. But since all of the hive

1535
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:04,980
pod paying posting counts are
known and blessed by the master

1536
01:34:05,010 --> 01:34:08,490
account, then we just ignore
anything that doesn't. That is

1537
01:34:08,490 --> 01:34:09,930
not mentalist. I don't believe

1538
01:34:09,930 --> 01:34:14,460
that's appropriate language
anymore. creator Dave blessed no

1539
01:34:14,460 --> 01:34:15,090
master

1540
01:34:15,599 --> 01:34:22,379
mess. Oh, sorry. Yes. This was
the progenitor hive account.

1541
01:34:22,530 --> 01:34:25,770
Okay, that we're looking at.
Yes, yes. creator Dave

1542
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,560
Well done. Okay. Oh, creator
Dave.

1543
01:34:28,860 --> 01:34:31,770
We're all creators now. Didn't
you know that we're all we all

1544
01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:34,290
belong to Facebook, where
they're creators.

1545
01:34:34,710 --> 01:34:38,100
creator when by itself sounds
terrible, but when you put

1546
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:39,570
somebody's name behind it,

1547
01:34:39,570 --> 01:34:41,790
it's creator Dave Yeah, it
doesn't like sounds like brother

1548
01:34:41,790 --> 01:34:45,480
Dave. Thank you, creator Adam.
Anytime creator Dave, after you

1549
01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:45,840
sir.

1550
01:34:47,970 --> 01:34:54,000
creator mere mortals since 2134.
sets and says any possibility of

1551
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,450
a chat with Roy about making
Brees an anonymous or is it a

1552
01:34:57,450 --> 01:34:59,520
feature that Drew Brees

1553
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,160
Um, you know, thank you creator
kyron I cuz I mentioned this

1554
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,120
with what did he say it? He
said, Yeah, they're gonna do it,

1555
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:16,530
but it was low priority for some
reason, but he I think they're

1556
01:35:16,530 --> 01:35:19,920
gonna do it. I don't see why
not. Oh, no, I remember I'm

1557
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:25,530
sorry. He wants to tie in
authenticate, I believe, don't

1558
01:35:25,530 --> 01:35:27,780
hold me to it. Because, you
know, they're working on matrix

1559
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:32,700
authentication. And using matrix
as as it as a client chat

1560
01:35:32,700 --> 01:35:37,440
client, which I think is really
you know, a part of his only

1561
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:38,400
fans for lightning.

1562
01:35:39,630 --> 01:35:40,140
Yeah,

1563
01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:46,980
just I can't help it. So I think
that he was waiting to that he

1564
01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:50,220
would prefer to have that be the
authenticator and the quote

1565
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:53,850
unquote name or handle versus
some freeform thing which makes

1566
01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:58,500
sense from their development
process which was I'm sorry,

1567
01:35:59,190 --> 01:35:59,910
no, no, okay.

1568
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,810
Well, I was gonna say that the
only piece of negative feedback

1569
01:36:03,810 --> 01:36:08,010
that I ever heard about fountain
was was the name and email

1570
01:36:08,010 --> 01:36:12,960
address. Hmm Oscar and yeah, by
the way comics through blogger

1571
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:16,440
is an is a douche about those
things all the time. So don't

1572
01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:18,990
feel don't feel like you're
singled out on that one.

1573
01:36:19,469 --> 01:36:23,369
And I yeah, we actually have an
option without an account. I

1574
01:36:23,369 --> 01:36:26,909
mean, that's in development,
which is making sure everything

1575
01:36:26,939 --> 01:36:30,869
works without that But yeah, I
totally understand that feedback

1576
01:36:30,869 --> 01:36:33,689
and it should be available
relatively soon as well.

1577
01:36:33,719 --> 01:36:36,329
I found it surprising quite
honestly, I find it really

1578
01:36:36,329 --> 01:36:39,209
surprising that the number of
people who fell over that

1579
01:36:42,180 --> 01:36:43,650
I didn't mind I don't mind

1580
01:36:43,650 --> 01:36:44,490
I never mind that

1581
01:36:44,490 --> 01:36:47,310
shit. Now this because you can't
make it up.

1582
01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:49,890
I'll make something I can make
up stuff. I have different

1583
01:36:49,980 --> 01:36:51,420
accounts for different things.

1584
01:36:52,140 --> 01:36:56,160
It didn't bother me and then it
like if you compare it to so I

1585
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,170
went I went through found it was
like, okay, just create an

1586
01:36:58,170 --> 01:37:00,840
account. Well, I mean, I'm
getting I mean, I'm used to

1587
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:04,140
creating accounts on thing.
Yeah. But then there was this

1588
01:37:04,170 --> 01:37:08,850
other app that came out called
pod pod, a polo or pot, a pot, a

1589
01:37:08,850 --> 01:37:13,110
pole or something. And I tried
to go through it to check it

1590
01:37:13,110 --> 01:37:16,950
out. Oh my god. They wanted
everything. I mean, like I

1591
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:20,970
thought I was selling my house.
I mean, it was just, it was like

1592
01:37:20,970 --> 01:37:23,640
10 pages of stuff. And I
eventually bailed out just like

1593
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,300
sign up. Really? Oh, gosh, I
missed my email address, name,

1594
01:37:27,330 --> 01:37:31,770
age, date and date of birth.
Like phone number. I mean, oh my

1595
01:37:31,770 --> 01:37:35,460
god, this is horrible. Yeah.
Wow. No, no, compared to that

1596
01:37:35,460 --> 01:37:42,660
the fountain fountain was was
meager? Yeah, yeah, no, Brian of

1597
01:37:42,660 --> 01:37:47,370
London send us 923 cents and he
says my high funds are paid

1598
01:37:47,370 --> 01:37:49,920
hourly. And if the community
thinks I just left to buy a

1599
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,110
yacht, they can defund me in an
instant.

1600
01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:59,010
Again, we're really happy Brian
we're happy you're a millionaire

1601
01:37:59,010 --> 01:38:00,900
off of our backs. It's no
problem.

1602
01:38:03,810 --> 01:38:06,120
as Brian of London again 1800

1603
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,840
he feels guilty now he knows
like Oh shit, man. They're on to

1604
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,320
me. I'm making all this all this
hardcourt hive cash. I gotta

1605
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,210
send some on I got to share the
love.

1606
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:21,120
Not I'm sorry. But hive is the
Australian dollar of crypto.

1607
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,170
man. Dude so harsh.

1608
01:38:25,860 --> 01:38:29,700
Three speak was the first with
100% value for all channels

1609
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:32,820
without users needing to end to
do anything on the back end. I

1610
01:38:32,820 --> 01:38:33,900
always stress that bit

1611
01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:39,570
oh okay that's because you know
No, no agenda tube was doing

1612
01:38:39,570 --> 01:38:43,770
this before now we're already
into the pissing game over who

1613
01:38:43,770 --> 01:38:44,820
did what first?

1614
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:49,440
Yeah, yeah, this this is this is
how this is how we make we are a

1615
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:52,830
traditional media organization.
Yeah, we make money by making

1616
01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:56,910
everybody angry at each other
argue by sending us booster

1617
01:38:56,910 --> 01:38:57,270
grants.

1618
01:38:58,170 --> 01:39:01,590
And this model is it will be
studied at Harvard Business

1619
01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:05,790
School for many many decades to
coast. How did they do

1620
01:39:05,790 --> 01:39:08,490
it? You don't need to get on
this tip Oscar this needs to be

1621
01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:09,420
part of the business plan.

1622
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:13,080
You got to have people arguing
about your shit but doing it

1623
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:14,160
over booster grams.

1624
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:18,240
Yeah. Because they're gonna
they're gonna gripe anyway so

1625
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:24,780
you might as well get paid for
it. See? Is this mere mortals of

1626
01:39:24,810 --> 01:39:28,170
bariga kyron I'm assuming this
is Karen it could be could be

1627
01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:32,910
one. He says 12 148 cents
through fountain he says

1628
01:39:33,090 --> 01:39:35,820
doubling my doubles with the
Oscars generosity.

1629
01:39:36,150 --> 01:39:39,750
Oh yeah. This was such a great
idea Oscar I can't thank you

1630
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:40,860
enough. This was good.

1631
01:39:43,050 --> 01:39:46,110
No worries Yeah, we hope to do
more. I mean every time we get a

1632
01:39:46,110 --> 01:39:50,340
certain amount of app fees from
the 5% we'll probably just do

1633
01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:51,750
another campaign so yeah,

1634
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:55,320
well let's let's make that let's
also make sure that everyone

1635
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:58,560
starts recycling into getting
wallets started. What is such a

1636
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:59,280
good idea.

1637
01:40:00,299 --> 01:40:03,149
The lightning circular circular
economy. Yeah,

1638
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:04,740
it's the donut model.

1639
01:40:05,429 --> 01:40:10,889
Well look who this is. Oscar
marries and this is a sentence a

1640
01:40:10,889 --> 01:40:15,899
duck boost. 2000 22,222 says,
and he sent it through fountain

1641
01:40:15,899 --> 01:40:16,019
of

1642
01:40:16,739 --> 01:40:19,229
Oscar. Thank you, Oscar. Very,
very nice of you.

1643
01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:25,650
Oh, here's another one. Oscar
marry again. 50,000 SATs and he

1644
01:40:25,650 --> 01:40:29,700
said, Okay, here's what I wish
you could read this yourself. It

1645
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:30,330
feels like I'm

1646
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:33,030
the middleman for some reason.

1647
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,940
It's like, it's like listening
to somebody else narrate your

1648
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:42,030
audio book back to you. Last
week. Oscar says last week we

1649
01:40:42,030 --> 01:40:45,240
thought we had a 500k set and
baller boost from Cali bear

1650
01:40:45,420 --> 01:40:48,300
turns out it didn't go through
apologies for the confusion

1651
01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:51,780
fountain baller boost record
still had held by aerostatic at

1652
01:40:51,780 --> 01:40:52,710
250k

1653
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,430
oh okay what happened then
somewhere we have half a million

1654
01:40:56,430 --> 01:40:58,980
sets lost in transit in transit
transaction

1655
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,390
no they just they didn't go
through on our side so it was it

1656
01:41:03,390 --> 01:41:06,720
was awful on that one yeah. So
was it a channel channel

1657
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:10,740
liquidity probably no it was
actually in the in the actual

1658
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,570
app and and the server side code
so no sets were sent anywhere it

1659
01:41:15,570 --> 01:41:18,120
was just Yeah. Okay. All right.
Cool.

1660
01:41:18,570 --> 01:41:24,330
Thank you for thank you for the
50k Oscar let's see cotton gin

1661
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:29,550
send us a 1700 1776 Liberty
boost through pipe friend. Thank

1662
01:41:29,550 --> 01:41:29,640
you

1663
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:37,800
I love hearing the Liberty
boosts on on Cridland show

1664
01:41:38,430 --> 01:41:41,520
because it has nothing because
nothing it's like messing with

1665
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,310
them. It's like poking their eye
out Yeah, like that.

1666
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:45,300
That's good. That's good.

1667
01:41:45,900 --> 01:41:50,220
Um, let's see pod Okay, this is
from pod friend through pod

1668
01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:54,660
friend. I don't know if this was
maybe Martin he says send 1000

1669
01:41:54,660 --> 01:41:57,870
SATs and said what a time to be
alive. No kidding. Then there's

1670
01:41:57,870 --> 01:42:03,780
another boost from for 100 SATs.
And it just says testing some

1671
01:42:03,780 --> 01:42:08,040
boosts stuff just ignore me. No
sir. We never ignore a booster

1672
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:19,470
and do not call a bear speaking
of sent 13 131 sets see what did

1673
01:42:19,470 --> 01:42:25,920
he say? Oh no did I lose it? No
no. I may have I may have lost

1674
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,320
okay I'm sticking this one to
the side I think I lost cows

1675
01:42:29,190 --> 01:42:31,110
cows boost cut off the page

1676
01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:34,380
that previous boosted Graham was
for 100 SATs

1677
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:36,780
yes.

1678
01:42:37,050 --> 01:42:39,660
Okay what janky ass app is
letting that through.

1679
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:43,440
By friend it came through.

1680
01:42:44,010 --> 01:42:48,390
Martin man shored up baby No we
can't have we can't have jack

1681
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:49,080
boost

1682
01:42:49,530 --> 01:42:54,270
now he's got the you know he's
got the keys to the kingdom so

1683
01:42:54,270 --> 01:42:55,710
he can send whatever boosts he
wants.

1684
01:42:56,009 --> 01:42:59,339
Oh it was from Martin okay
Martin can yeah Oh I see.

1685
01:43:00,570 --> 01:43:01,650
Now he's got node

1686
01:43:01,769 --> 01:43:05,669
he does Yeah, definitely God Mo
Did you find kalu bears note

1687
01:43:06,300 --> 01:43:10,620
No, I'm going to find it and
once you

1688
01:43:10,620 --> 01:43:12,840
keep reading it it's in the
booster grams right I can

1689
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:13,680
probably find it

1690
01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:17,940
No, I will have to find it. I
think I'll read it next week cuz

1691
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:21,990
we're getting cut off the page
and it was one that didn't come

1692
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:26,460
through. Anyway, I'll read it
next week. I'll my my my

1693
01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:34,650
apologies. Let's see anonymous.
Through breeze 7734 sets he says

1694
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,640
greetings. It's quite cozy down
here. Okay

1695
01:43:39,870 --> 01:43:42,630
all right. I agree a few

1696
01:43:44,670 --> 01:43:48,060
1000 SATs and again through
anonymous through breeze was

1697
01:43:48,060 --> 01:43:51,300
anonymous. It says ring a fire.
Oh,

1698
01:43:51,330 --> 01:43:51,870
okay.

1699
01:43:55,260 --> 01:44:07,350
Bye. Down Down Down in the
podcast Ring of Fire.

1700
01:44:09,630 --> 01:44:10,800
sizzling hot.

1701
01:44:11,340 --> 01:44:16,500
1000 says in this may be from
Alex. I don't know it's through

1702
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:20,670
breeze says help Chris Fisher on
the boost road. Helped Chris

1703
01:44:20,670 --> 01:44:23,880
Fisher on the boost road. I did
send him mail and got no

1704
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:31,170
response to Chris Fisher is
Chris. I think Chris is one of

1705
01:44:31,170 --> 01:44:33,570
the hosts of the coder Radio
Podcast and soon.

1706
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:37,470
Oh, okay. I subscribe to that.
Yeah, like

1707
01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:40,650
I'd like to try to get one of
those dudes on sometime. They

1708
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:45,270
seem like pretty cool guy. 1000
SATs anonymous through breeze

1709
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:51,210
and says thanks for the show.
Well, you're welcome. Oh, you

1710
01:44:51,210 --> 01:44:53,670
know what I think I may have
just found a colleague version

1711
01:44:53,670 --> 01:45:00,990
of this is I think I had my
pages mixed up. So Yeah Kyle

1712
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:09,600
hits it 1331 SATs he says I know
you love Dawson to wholesome

1713
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:13,440
from st five. Yes. No love for
Raju. I actually forced him on

1714
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:14,430
one of the current games.

1715
01:45:14,460 --> 01:45:17,820
Oh, really? Oh man. You're so
cool. Now I don't know I mean,

1716
01:45:17,820 --> 01:45:20,730
Dawson and what was the chicks
name? She was

1717
01:45:20,730 --> 01:45:22,170
badass Chun Li.

1718
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:24,240
Was that her name? Yeah, I

1719
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:25,170
think it's true unless it was

1720
01:45:25,170 --> 01:45:29,100
either to either be her or
dhalsim that was no no no other

1721
01:45:29,100 --> 01:45:31,500
way all those dudes were no
good. You kick their ass.

1722
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,180
Do you play Street Fighter
Oscar?

1723
01:45:34,980 --> 01:45:38,550
Do you know it's funny? I used
to love Street Fighter when I

1724
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:43,290
was a kid. And about two I think
it was two weeks ago I was out

1725
01:45:43,290 --> 01:45:46,260
on a run and I've got this
running playlist that I've had

1726
01:45:46,260 --> 01:45:51,660
for about 10 years and one of
the songs came on and it's this

1727
01:45:52,830 --> 01:45:56,790
UK rapper called D double A and
he's got a song called street

1728
01:45:56,790 --> 01:46:00,840
fighting time and he's basically
taken the soundtrack wrapped

1729
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:05,400
over it popped into my head that
I'd send it to Kyle just in case

1730
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:08,910
you've never come across it yeah
so I sent it over but yeah,

1731
01:46:09,330 --> 01:46:13,170
check that out. If you check
that out maybe if you're on a

1732
01:46:13,170 --> 01:46:15,120
run it's a good running song
cool.

1733
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:22,500
breeze anonymous 1000 SATs the
messages boost because I can and

1734
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:23,070
I will

1735
01:46:23,130 --> 01:46:23,760
yes

1736
01:46:25,860 --> 01:46:33,840
philosophical boost there. I can
and I will see Oh, through Who's

1737
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:37,200
this oh from from at fountain oh
wait These are our Yeah, these

1738
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:42,480
are our top ups. Okay, so that's
again a flurry of those from

1739
01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:48,060
from you guys at fountain? There
was a C 3333 from top of that

1740
01:46:48,060 --> 01:46:57,360
brown of London. A 156 SAS
topping up. Pop Up pack fan. He

1741
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:03,420
was 10,000 SAS for sir bill. A
10,000 for air statica another

1742
01:47:03,420 --> 01:47:10,440
10,000 for Did I pronounce that
name? Dude as in God, dude.

1743
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:17,790
Dude. Okay, dude, that's right.
Another 10,000 for dude 1000 for

1744
01:47:17,790 --> 01:47:26,760
Chris 482 572 and 12 148 for
Mere Mortals. Thank you all this

1745
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:31,230
thanks to all those guys for
doing the top up. Match boost.

1746
01:47:31,950 --> 01:47:36,720
Yeah, and thank you Oscar and
Nick. And the mysterious

1747
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:37,470
investors.

1748
01:47:38,850 --> 01:47:40,500
The Russians, the Russian

1749
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:45,420
guys in tracksuits who were
funding this operation we really

1750
01:47:45,420 --> 01:47:48,570
appreciate it Oscar that's a
great idea I really really liked

1751
01:47:48,570 --> 01:47:48,930
that

1752
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:50,970
generous hope

1753
01:47:50,970 --> 01:47:56,130
to do more camp Camp 98 and 1000
SATs and in his messages yoga

1754
01:47:56,130 --> 01:47:56,880
flame.

1755
01:47:58,710 --> 01:48:02,550
We've struck a chord Street
Fighter is back baby

1756
01:48:02,970 --> 01:48:06,270
whenever whenever I attempt to
do any sort of voice on a cow a

1757
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:12,300
little inside Yes, I want to
personally apologize Do you call

1758
01:48:12,300 --> 01:48:19,860
for a couple more left to get
anonymous through breeze sent

1759
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:24,540
15,150 SATs away that's not
anonymous he's guys named out

1760
01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:27,720
here says it's a Wilt
Chamberlain plus a Van Halen

1761
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:29,580
boost Thanks. Thanks.

1762
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,690
And I saw this one come in and
so I think we need to update

1763
01:48:33,690 --> 01:48:37,230
maybe we could do LeBron James
or Neil. I think we should go to

1764
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:42,150
Wilt Chamberlain is like really
really really dating us.

1765
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,950
That's the 10,000 right? Yeah,
yes. 10,000 and a 5150 boost I

1766
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:53,580
like it that's from this name is
good health. g ot HEOF

1767
01:48:53,730 --> 01:48:54,540
got health.

1768
01:48:54,600 --> 01:49:01,620
Yes. Okay, thank you for that.
Oh, we got some Dutch here. This

1769
01:49:02,430 --> 01:49:10,950
This is 9999 sets and I'm gonna
attempt this What was your Zig

1770
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:18,630
binges self you your speech
reflects to what you are but

1771
01:49:18,630 --> 01:49:21,780
thanks for Alice is it yeah keep
going

1772
01:49:21,780 --> 01:49:22,440
you're very good.

1773
01:49:22,770 --> 01:49:23,400
Now that's it?

1774
01:49:24,090 --> 01:49:27,990
Yes, sir. What you said but
that's you know, this is the how

1775
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:31,500
the the old country they talk
about projection so you are what

1776
01:49:31,500 --> 01:49:35,430
you say others are but just by
yourself. And then badung

1777
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:37,800
trolleybus means Thanks for
everything and you were very

1778
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:38,640
understandable.

1779
01:49:39,180 --> 01:49:40,560
Oh, cool. Thanks. Alright.

1780
01:49:40,710 --> 01:49:43,320
That's the guys in the lab coats
would be by to pick you up

1781
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,180
pretty soon but you were
understandable.

1782
01:49:46,230 --> 01:49:50,580
That's the that is from Tim.
Some is that maybe Tim?

1783
01:49:51,330 --> 01:49:52,620
Yeah, this Tim who does

1784
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:56,460
in a in a website

1785
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:06,780
and or admins. Yes and the wait
yeah, yes. Anyway, yes. I'm

1786
01:50:06,780 --> 01:50:08,550
stroking away here help me.

1787
01:50:09,149 --> 01:50:11,999
Your your hands up or your hand
hands up in front of you like

1788
01:50:11,999 --> 01:50:12,299
yes.

1789
01:50:13,229 --> 01:50:16,649
With my elbows in and my wrist
out exactly. Yeah.

1790
01:50:18,119 --> 01:50:24,449
We got and then the last year we
got monthly donors or monthly

1791
01:50:24,449 --> 01:50:28,559
donors. Keith Gibson $50 Thank
you every month for that Keith.

1792
01:50:28,559 --> 01:50:35,249
I appreciate it. Tim Hudgens my
buddy $25 in nigma Labs $20

1793
01:50:35,879 --> 01:50:41,639
David would find $3 survival
Vash that survive on the podcast

1794
01:50:41,639 --> 01:50:48,989
index dot socials dollar by Paul
air Skinner buddy $11.14. Dwayne

1795
01:50:48,989 --> 01:50:54,869
Goldie, the longtime helper of
us it's $8 Michael goggan $5 and

1796
01:50:54,869 --> 01:50:59,369
leather a long time, Charles
current $5 been with us forever.

1797
01:50:59,579 --> 01:51:04,559
Sean McKeon. He's did a monthly
a couple of months ago. $20

1798
01:51:04,949 --> 01:51:09,179
James Sullivan, great name $10
and Christopher raymer, another

1799
01:51:09,179 --> 01:51:12,329
longtime or $10? Thank you guys.
That's our group.

1800
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:15,210
Yeah, thank you all very much.
Listen, how many people are

1801
01:51:15,210 --> 01:51:18,420
supporting us versus when we
just started out and look at the

1802
01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:21,930
vast universe of stuff that
we're doing. People are talking

1803
01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:25,620
about this everywhere, all over
the world. Silicon Valley is

1804
01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:28,800
shaken to its core, they're
sending out Ford operating teams

1805
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:32,820
to try and capture the last bits
of whatever Spotify crumbs they

1806
01:51:32,820 --> 01:51:36,090
couldn't get. And we, in the
meantime, move forward and

1807
01:51:36,090 --> 01:51:40,170
March. What do you say pots, as

1808
01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:44,010
you know, fired up. Like this

1809
01:51:44,190 --> 01:51:52,410
Friday? Yeah, it's Friday. Well,
yes, Oscar, I cannot tell you

1810
01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:56,550
how appreciative I am. And Dave
will speak for himself by I know

1811
01:51:56,550 --> 01:52:01,560
the sentiment that you have
chosen this path to, to develop

1812
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:06,450
fountain and to create a real
business out of it. I, I love

1813
01:52:06,450 --> 01:52:09,990
that you as any developer, you
have many options at your

1814
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:13,290
disposal, and it's really
appreciated. God's work is being

1815
01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:14,700
done before our very eyes.

1816
01:52:16,530 --> 01:52:19,650
Well, thanks, Adam. I really
appreciate that. And I really

1817
01:52:19,650 --> 01:52:23,040
just think is down to you guys,
with what you've created here.

1818
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:27,120
It's amazing. And I just hope
that you know, with fountain and

1819
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:29,880
obviously I'm sure that other
app developers feel this way as

1820
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,690
well. I'm just hoping that we
can fulfill your vision and you

1821
01:52:33,690 --> 01:52:37,290
know, whatever you guys come up
with, we'll be sure to build it

1822
01:52:37,290 --> 01:52:40,140
into the app. Yeah, looking
forward to seeing where we get

1823
01:52:40,140 --> 01:52:40,380
to

1824
01:52:41,370 --> 01:52:44,580
ask her tell everybody has like
where they can get a fountain?

1825
01:52:44,580 --> 01:52:49,830
Is it on iOS and the Google App
Store? Or is it just f droid?

1826
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:51,300
How do they get that?

1827
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:56,130
Yeah, so it's available on iOS
and Android? So if you go to

1828
01:52:56,130 --> 01:53:00,300
fountain.fm we've got the
download links there and

1829
01:53:00,300 --> 01:53:03,360
download on iOS and Android. And
yeah, if you're listening and

1830
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:07,020
you haven't tried it out yet, I
would really appreciate you

1831
01:53:07,020 --> 01:53:09,780
downloading it taking it out
listening to some podcast,

1832
01:53:10,170 --> 01:53:13,830
sending some sets and yeah, if
you have any feedback or you'd

1833
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:16,530
like something built into it,
just send me an email

1834
01:53:16,590 --> 01:53:20,940
oscar@fountain.fm and yeah,
happy to build whatever people

1835
01:53:20,940 --> 01:53:21,240
want.

1836
01:53:21,690 --> 01:53:24,210
Is that better to reach you than
the telegram channel? Do you

1837
01:53:24,210 --> 01:53:25,560
want to point people there just

1838
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:30,930
Yeah, the email emails the best
way probably. Okay. All right.

1839
01:53:32,010 --> 01:53:33,240
Cool, man. Yeah,

1840
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:35,640
well, thanks again really
appreciate you being here at the

1841
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:39,300
board meeting and cannot wait to
see how everything develops in

1842
01:53:39,300 --> 01:53:43,440
fountain land. And and again,
thank you very much and we'll be

1843
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:50,910
putting in a split for I wrote
it down for the LPC f the

1844
01:53:50,910 --> 01:53:58,950
lightning podcast charity fund.
Tm dm dm Dave Jones. All right

1845
01:53:58,950 --> 01:54:01,350
Dave, anything else for you
James you need anything you need

1846
01:54:01,350 --> 01:54:05,190
anybody to bring you some
coffees and lattes or just some

1847
01:54:05,190 --> 01:54:06,420
code something for you?

1848
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:14,250
No, I just finished my G to my
Gatorade G to glacier freeze and

1849
01:54:14,250 --> 01:54:17,490
well hydrated, getting back into
and back into the mix

1850
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,340
vaccine back to work baby.
Alright everybody, that's it for

1851
01:54:20,340 --> 01:54:23,460
podcasting. 2.0 We will be back
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1852
01:54:23,460 --> 01:54:27,540
latest on podcasts index.org and
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1853
01:54:27,540 --> 01:54:29,190
Till then Take it easy. Bye bye.

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01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:49,890
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