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podcasting 2.0 for July 9 2021,
Episode 45 we are pressing the

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flesh and kissing babies. Yeah,
man. It is Friday once again

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time for the board meaning of
podcasting 2.0 everything going

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on around podcast index.org
podcast index dot social

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podcasting in general. It's been
a long week and a lot to talk

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about. I'm Adam Curry here in
the heart of Hill Country, Texas

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and in Alabama to drew one of
the good my friend on the other

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end, Dave Jones. Oh, I like that
one. Yeah, you can put that in

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your in your email signature.

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I'm trying to figure out I was
eating some dried green beans.

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As soon as one does as one does
on Fridays.

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I love these things, but I can't
I have yet to understand why.

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Why they cost like, a million
dollars an ounce. They Okay, so

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if you look at a can of green
beans, yeah. Like 15 ounces of

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green beans. And it's like me
No, 90 cents. Well,

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this is this is the temporary
inflation that is just gonna

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pass us by. Well, these things
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five ounces for like $8

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Wow, that's almost as much as
we'd crazy.

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I don't know if you can smoke
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Well, that is next on the list.
Of course. Yeah.

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Clearly there is something in
the drying and the green bean

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drying process that I do not
understand.

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Yeah, I think it's just all it's
all supply chain. I couldn't get

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any shallots the other day. Oh,
and at hgb which is like our

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regular grocery store. But
actually fantastic. Love them.

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Texas company. And the guys like
nah, now there's no one to pack

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them and no one wants to work
and no one wants to drop drugs

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rise. Okay. headshots for three
weeks is crazy. I'm trying and

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looking

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clicking on the industry

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when it comes with instructions,

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and ama ingredients, not
instructions. I do not see I was

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looking for maybe there may be
like rare earth metals in here.

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Something drove the price up.
But no. It's just green beans.

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This is the official board
meeting for podcasting. 2.0 we

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do it live and we do it every
single Friday. We love bringing

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people in. We're gonna open the
door for a second. Please

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welcome the gentleman you see to
my left for the green visor and

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the desk lamp none other than
the third leg of the index

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stool. Eric Mackey, everybody.
How's it going? Good. He doesn't

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talk much. But when he talks
it's so meaningful. What's your

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what's your commercial? Like
when so in so talks, people

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listen. What was that? Who was
that guy? It was like an

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investment when Charles Schwab
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Oh, you mean the guy that's that
is mean a million times?

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Yes. I when so and so. You know
when this guy told? Yeah. From

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the from, from the tequila guy.
No, I thought it was the Burling

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was he Burlington coats or
something? I'm Burlington Coat

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Factory. But I don't know about
GE we're really off to a rockin

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start here. What do we know?
Nothing. Nothing.

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Nothing on top. On top of
things. Yeah.

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Wow, man.

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I've got something to hit right
off the bat. All right. Unless

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you got anything. Eric, you want
to jump into? No, no, I'm I want

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to talk about how awesome the
tip jar is. Steven, get that

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working

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with the with the notes.

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Oh, with the Yeah, with the
message and the

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message. Yes. Fantastic. I sent
a message. I know he didn't get

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it. Oh, no. How would he get it?
Can he read these messages? I

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don't know what his wallet is? I

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don't know. Um, I think he uses
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he may be able to see it. Okay.
Okay. Yeah, that was my first

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one. I'm like, oh, let me put
this in here. I said thanks for

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the name, check. Boom.

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Let's see. So I got I sent
myself this is exactly what

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we're talking about last show. I
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Sorry, I got so much paper here.
I sent myself a 2112 boost is

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what came through with the
original donation amount listed

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with the app name and my message
so it's got all the details that

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we need

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does also have a timestamp of
when in the podcast. Oh my God.

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That is so cool. Well, the cool

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oh, people understand the what
this means. I mean, this is a

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complete cut out of all
middlemen. This goes straight in

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this cut straight through and
there's all the papers gone,

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Patreon are gone. all that crap
is gone. This is a Straight

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donations directly from the
users app to the podcasters.

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podcast wallet, yeah, with a
message and an amount, and

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everything and nobody in between
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Nobody gets to see this. It's
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year and we dream this shit.
This is fantastic. It's

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incredible.

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And because I've got a script
now that I wrote, they can pull

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these out. So if people donate
to the show, using the tip jar,

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we can donate it, we can pull it
out and read them on the show

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just like a pay pal donate.

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So cool. Love that. Now when
when is the split? It goes to

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both or multiple nodes the same?
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it's just a one node typically,
right?

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Well, he's got both. So he's got
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person to tip a node to tip or
you can go in there his other

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option is send do a do a
donation to everybody at the

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same time with a message.
Everybody gets the message

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I hadn't I hadn't seen that it
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It's not it's a little and then
this would be a criticism.

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This podcast

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app review

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color scheme on Curio caster,
the black the grayscale makes

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things hard to it makes it hard
to see when you're when there's

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other options. And so on the tip
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Oh, I see it there message
boost? I got I got it. Holy

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crap. Now 500 characters is that
the limit of the of the TLB?

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record? 1300 bytes is the limit
to the TLB. Okay, that for me

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that's like and does not
answering my question.

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What it's asking if it's an
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know, one byte per character,
okay. It's like, you know,

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Unicode or something this
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I'm not sure what the TLV is
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asking.

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I think at the bottom level UTF,
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ASCII level of UTF. Eight,
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but I think those are single
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don't know. I'd have to look it
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the first 128 or whatever it is
characters of UTF. Eight.

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believe those are just straight
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for context. One of the biggest
things in podcast news this past

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week, has been the fact that
show notes now work in Apple.

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And here we are sending
donations direct from listener

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in their app to the podcast or
with a message with a timestamp.

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Way, way, way back up. Apple has
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up. Why don't why didn't we lead
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Dave hijack the show rundown.
What can I tell you? Just

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burying the lede? You go ahead.

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That is that is the that's Yeah,
that seven six to 9171 tip TLV I

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love it so yeah.

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And and I welcome the Reaganites
who something weird happened

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when I was on Rogan this was the
PR work week for me somehow

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you are all over the place, man.

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Yeah, and I just kept dropping
podcasting 2.0 as much as I

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could on Rogan. But here's what
was interesting. Cuz we were

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talking about mastodon at some
point. I'm like, Oh, yeah, this

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is you gotta check it out. And
it was interesting because Jamie

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fired it up. And the first thing
he said is always like a Tweet

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Deck. Like, okay, how am I going
to get beyond this? This remark

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but then he couldn't get to no
agenda social calm I think he

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was doing www and who does that
anymore but which doesn't

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resolve on our end. And then I
said, I'll just try podcasts

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index dot social. So now I have
about a 500 new followers on

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podcast, index that social and
which is kind of cool. Because,

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you know, I don't post all that
much. It's more responses, etc.

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But, but now they're going to
see the post of the show, and

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they go, Oh, wow, let's listen.
And then they're gonna learn all

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about the tip

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TLV know exactly exactly what we
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show to be exactly.

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My thought was, because I
listened to the show, I listened

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to your Rogan appearance, and it
harmed me internally to have to

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open the Spotify app to watch
it. But I did it anyway for the

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show. You should have

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been on no agenda, social
because all kinds of produce

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Just came up with ways to avoid
using the Spotify. And by the

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way, I don't I don't condone
that at all I pay for my

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content. If I really want
something, I'll go to the past.

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I don't believe in privacy.
That's just that's me

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personally. So you won't see me
liking anybody who's ripped

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defeat or anything like that.

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No, there was a couple of them
that found direct Spotify links

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that he didn't need the app. You
could get a direct from Spotify.

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It wasn't a rip. It was

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Oh, you kidding? Oh, I didn't
know it was wrong. Spotify

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server? Oh, that's fair game,
then. It was just no, I totally

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agree with you. I don't I don't
want pirated stuff. But at the

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same time, you know, but it was,
but it was interesting. How many

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people like I can't listen, I
won't listen, I hate Spotify.

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That's that's an interesting
response. Even though a lot of

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people want to listen to it. And
you Dave are clearly just a

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turncoat.

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No, buckled. Well, they've
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they offered me an exclusive
deal. Oh.

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And this is your last show. And
yeah, I'm gonna

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have to say, please download the
app. It's free. It's free. It's

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free. It's free. It's free. It's
free to finish

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your thought. And then I do have
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Oh, yeah. So my first thought
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there talking about podcasting,
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streaming, lightning, Bitcoin
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I'm like, I wonder if I wonder
how Spotify feels? Clearly that

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is their flagship show, they
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the biggest show on Spotify. I
wonder how they feel about their

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biggest show on Spotify. The
championing an alternate, a

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clear, subversive competitor to
everything that they're doing.

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Well, as you know, they listen
to the show, and I got to,

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I think I can answer that for
you. Yeah, first of all, I love

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Joe for now, he doesn't even
think about that. He doesn't

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think that way.

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He does not think Taylor never
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He No, he does not think that
right. And I was, you know, very

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cautious. I'm like, you know,
but I forgot, just go for it. So

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I went to look at Spotify as q1
financial and management report

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of the first quarter of 2021.
Cuz I wanted to see how they

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talk about Rogan and podcasting.
So now, the way they report

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their numbers is year over year
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quarter. So yeah, I mean,
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versus 2021. You know, Rogen
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better, because you know, yeah,
just barely started in the in

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the first queue. So overall, it
was interesting. But first of

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all, they never use the term
podcasting anywhere in in any

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report any revenue, nothing.
They only talk about the all

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encompassing audio platform
where all things audio. So

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there's not a mention of
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breakdown of the management
report, there is a one line

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about Rogan new users for Rogan
is up and we're very pleased

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with it. They did not give a
number no percentage etc. Oddly,

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their ma use their monthly
average users are down a little

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bit really yeah, down a little
bit. So I'm thinking that they

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may be converting people who are
already customers, he can't

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really decipher it from the
language or at least I couldn't.

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And it kind of dawned on me as
I'm reading this report. Here,

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there's no breakout of of the
money for podcasting.

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advertising revenues are up for
them. But that I think is

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logical because more people want
free. But also, you know, they

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they do have more people
converting. So that makes sense.

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But I think we're giving them
too much credence, they don't

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actually care. And they see
themselves as the place for all

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audio, kind of, they're kind of
doing an apple in a way. It's

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like Apple has, you know, cool
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and, and make you feel good when
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world when you use them. And
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nothing about video, which is
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audience driver, I would say is
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that was back on YouTube. To me,
I don't think they actually even

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care about podcasting. You know,
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cast is, you know, bring people
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mean, anchor, the anchor, I'm
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sure how that worked, why it was
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not in the podcasting business.
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and they believe that they can
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like Google does for search.
We're Google for audio. And I

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love listening to, like Todd and
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the hosting business, we don't
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in the community. Yeah. And I
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they're, they put it in a
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to me, the general message is,
why do we even care about them,

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it really doesn't matter. The
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only thing the only thing
they're interested in is picking

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up hits. So but as the as the
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podcasts on Spotify. There's
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no evidence for it.

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So how do they justify spending
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mean, money is free. There's so
much money in the way Eric can

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jump in anytime you want. Eric,
there's so much free money. I

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mean, here's what you do. You're
Amazon, you're Jeff Bezos, you

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go to. I mean, if you're at that
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effectively for free, some
people borrow it and then buy

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bitcoin. That's the micro
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money for free, and buy whole
foods. Spotify, borrow the money

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for free bought Rogen. That's
what's going on there. But it

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hits business by itself. If that
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we'd only have you know, RCA
Records now. Now there would

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never be a Motown there would
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quite pleased. I was like, you
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cares? It's really not that
interesting. They'd certainly

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don't care. And I don't think
they're stealing any real market

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share. Except maybe from some of
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the advertising game, and they
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is, you know, that Spotify kind
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in the end the listener, but you
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important. And look at our
futures, you know, our features

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are killing it.

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getting more adoption of
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That's what I'm saying. Not on,
why are there not enough? And we

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still could have more education.
And I have on my notes here. Any

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that is buzz cast or the what's
the what's the libsyn cast? Or

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the Yeah, but the blueberry cast
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if, if, if I can if I can be of
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happy to go on and talk about
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Well, I wasn't. I was very happy
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out to me. Oh, this is the
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pattice.

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I know norm pass. That's the the
old radio guy. Yeah, very

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successful. He had a huge radio
and what did he have? Did he

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have premiere radio networks?
Eric, do you remember? No, I

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don't remember. Why did we
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is for all your deep not your
deep cut knowledge of radio,

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radio, radio, and ASCII
character. By all mean, hey, if

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you Melissa and Melissa will
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something she and she's like,
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about some person in Argentina.
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be thinking about it and go off
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Well, you know what, what is?
What is the main National Export

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of Argentina? She's like, I
don't know. Where are you? I'm

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sorry. I don't I don't mean it
that I don't mean to put you on

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the spot. But now that I think
of it, but yeah, he now what

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is Jim Jim is what's what's his
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All right. All CTO? Yes. He he
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mastodon and we said we're going
to talk next week about them

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implementing some tags. And then
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then, you know, I was asking
James Cridland um, you know, he

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posted this article from Ross
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Ross Adams was like singing the
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Yeah, I saw you tweeted I saw
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me like I'm just a little
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just a little block flomax.
flomax flummoxed? Yes and

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foremost, if you're singing the
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extensibility through a
namespace. And if you're talking

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about podcasting, it seems like
you omitted something. And does

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he know, he must know about it?

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Oh, he has to, he has to know
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out to simplecast. radio
silence, I reached out to pod

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bean, nothing. And I'm just, I'm
just flummoxed as to why these,

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these hosting companies are
like, dragging their feet, I

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don't really get it. It seemed

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like, wow, you know, I think I
pray, perhaps what will happen

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is someone's going to say, you
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ahead with this, you know,
already you see buzzsprout, an

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RSS calm and, you know, they're
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and also, I'll be the first to
recognize how difficult that

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actually is. If you just talk
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experience for podcasters to use
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what we would call UX. It's not
easy. So I'm, you know, for us,

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it's like, just give me a form.
I just fill in the shit. I know

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what to do. Right?

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How would you know at first I
was thinking, Well, is it? Is it

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old? This? Is it. The Old Guard
podcast hosts, they're dragging

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their feet, and versus the new
ones that are hungry and ready

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to get no, that's not really
know. The bus. I mean, bus has

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been around since the very
beginning. Lipson has been

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around since the very beginning.
They don't have tags yet. But

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they at least are supporting the
namespace. Yeah. Blueberry,

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they've been around since the
very beginning the foundation of

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podcasting, they're supporting
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know, fireside captivate RSS
Comm. transistor, those are

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about, you know, a mix of newer
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it almost, it feels like,
perhaps there's good,

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but what Well, what I what I
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everyone is in some big, bigger
app developers that we might

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know. They all they all say the
same thing. Well, we're gonna

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wait for some bigger guy to
implement it first. And you had

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a great rant about that on a
previous show. We know we don't

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have to rehash it. But thank
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Someone's somewhere someone's
gonna go all out. And I saw the

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WordPress plugin, which I
believe works with blueberry

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added value for value support
now. Yeah, value lock. Yep.

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Cool. Very cool. So what Tell me
about a cast who owns a cast?

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Are they just their own thing?

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thinks they're their own thing?
Don't know. That's a good

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question. Let me see if I can.
Ross Adams is their CEO. I don't

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know who if anybody owns them.
Is there There used to be this

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flow chart that will show you
like who owned who in

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podcasting. But I don't know
where you find that anymore.

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Well, they have Investor
Relations. Are they public?

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Oh, gosh, are they? Are they
public? Eric? There we go.

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Well, they're in Sweden. Okay.
They're in Sweden. Okay. So they

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might be listened to?

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Why, okay, I have a different
potential. Is it the case that

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the crypto involvement that
causes hesitancy no

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being that now? Now, you don't
have to implement that you don't

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have to implement anything.

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But do they know that? That's
what I'm saying it because it

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because, you know, we talked
about it is you know, it's all

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part and parcel. So you get one
you get the other? And I don't

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know if you see I'm saying like
there's a distinction between

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all the other namespace tags.
And then there's the leadership

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saying there's,

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and I understand, I think we can
give people more credit. I mean,

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if you're in the business, I
think it's it's purely. Who are

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these guys? I think it's still
Who are these guys? What are

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they doing? What's the deal? Oh,
it's open source? I think that's

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a lot of that. I mean, so right
now, the smart people, and I

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would say some of them come from
France. I know. I know. I know,

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I know, I'm showing my cards
here. But when when the French

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Library Association says, Hey,
this is the right this thing is

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the right thing to do. Let's
reach out we want now what do

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they want, Eric? Because I'm not
quite sure they want it to

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access. They want. They want
everything. Okay, what does that

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understanding they want? They
want to access their library. So

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they want that they want access
to the database,

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right? They don't need much
permission for that. Do they?

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Are they just checking to see if
they won't hammer us or what's

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the deal?

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I don't know what I mean, we're
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into what they're doing, and
Just the initial emails, they

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want kind of an ongoing direct
bulk access and because they

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want to their archivist, you
know they want to, they want to

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have at all God.

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Could they also be great? First
of all, thanks to Benjamin

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Bellamy for jumping on that and
totally and facilitating the

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communication, cuz I just I just
picked it up from the General

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infoed podcast index.org I'm
looking I'm like, I think I know

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what they're asking throw to the
Google Translate bank still

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don't know exactly what they're
asking.

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Yeah, I picked up about 20% of
what I was reading and then the

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Benjamin Bellamy's response I
picked up 0%.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, my
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those are people who are still
have no budget, I'm sure. You

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know, they, they just survive on
whatever their their existing

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budget is. You know, just for
operating live, I've done a lot

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for library love libraries,
what's left of them. But they

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clearly see that this is a great
way to go.

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Well, it's a huge library. I
mean, it's it is not I mean,

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it's like 70,000 books in this
library. It's an enormous

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library.

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Is it just one library? Or is it
a whole bunch of them? Or how

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does that work? You know,

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my? Well, you know, from what I
can tell, it's one specific, but

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it's an enormous library and in
Switzerland,

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is a Swiss. I thought it was in
Paris. No, it's French speaking

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Swiss.

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this is why the French was
difficult. I got it. Correct.

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Oh, that's right. In
Switzerland, there's like, four

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or five different dialects
Italian. Yeah, that's right.

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Okay, now. Right.

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So a cast interesting, huh?

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No, no. I mean, a clear they
clearly love RSS and are

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committed to openness. So I'm
assuming they'll show up at some

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point.

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What I like about podcast one is
that this is the way I probably

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should have tried to do it at at
pod show. Although I still, I

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still have my doubts. So that,
you know, they purchased they

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bought a number of hits early
on, I think Adam Carolla show.

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Just going back to podcast one

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over there. Is that correct?
crolla? That,

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yeah, yeah, cuz he brought it in
a couple of people, and they

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were stars, and we're going to
create a network. And this was

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quite a while ago, not I think
about it. So who knows how

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they're doing and they have some
kind of advertising. They're

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basically running it like radio.
And so now, you have the

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launchpad one, which is what I
thought Spotify was doing, which

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they're not. Launchpad one is
kind of like, you know, do your

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thing we'll help you with, with
donations will take a 4%

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processing fee. So it's kind of
a hybrid model. But definitely,

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I mean, it's going to be a farm
team for them to see if anything

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crops up. And in the meantime,
they can really drive a lot of

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innovation, because they're also
the hosting company, you know,

437
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:19,290
the hosting and the network.
That's, that's, you know, in the

438
00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:23,340
end, they want to be open, and
they only want 4%, I'd say

439
00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,910
they're serious players. And
think about it, why don't they

440
00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:29,940
take 4% of a value block, that
would be just as good for them.

441
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:34,830
I wonder when other hosting
companies will, will, because

442
00:28:34,830 --> 00:28:39,330
you think about networks, and
hosts. But then there's a couple

443
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:42,810
of these that are like both. Now
wonder if eventually that's

444
00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:46,680
where everything will go is the
host hosting companies will

445
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,240
begin to bring on begin to
operate more like networks,

446
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:55,260
I think I think a lot of them
tried early on. And that's how

447
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:59,370
they kind of also got into the
advertising game. But you have

448
00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:02,760
to have so much scale and such
big hits for the advertising

449
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,600
game. Whereas, you know, this is
the way I see it. In essence,

450
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,910
it's a Patreon type back end
that's bolted on to a hosting

451
00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:15,720
company that does have a
promotional arm that can be used

452
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,920
if that promotional arm wants
to. But in the meantime, the

453
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,520
value proposition you're getting
i think is better than some of

454
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,180
the other free services because
this is they're pretty honest

455
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:29,670
upfront, they're not saying free
free free for the saying hey,

456
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:33,510
we're gonna help you make money
want to take 4% of your of the

457
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:34,260
transaction.

458
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:37,620
What would keep somebody like
buzzsprout from going out there

459
00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:42,150
and just finding a hot show and
say and just doing a call and

460
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:46,020
doing a deal? And saying okay,
you're going to be you know,

461
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,960
you're going to be are
essentially what they do with

462
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:52,650
think pod land. I mean, pod land
is brought to you by buzzsprout

463
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,360
make could they go out and get
somebody like a you know, I

464
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,160
don't know just a hot podcast
and This got not mega not not

465
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,570
Rogen says but but that middle
tier is profitable making money

466
00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:09,330
and say, Okay, we'll do a, we'll
do a deal with you. And then

467
00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:11,910
we're going to be but it's going
to be brought to you by bus

468
00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:14,880
cast. You don't you don't go
exclusive, you keep the RSS you

469
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,030
stay in the open ecosystem, but
you begin to sort of build up a

470
00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:20,970
portfolio of like, mid level
talent there.

471
00:30:21,090 --> 00:30:23,700
Yeah, but what is the goal? What
is the goal? If you have just to

472
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:27,180
hit this is just about money? Or
is it bringing in more people

473
00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:30,270
because you have an offer? By
the way, I would advise against

474
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:34,170
it. Okay, what they do, what
they do is not I mean, they have

475
00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:38,550
a marketing budget, and they
spread stuff around. And they do

476
00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:43,020
that I think they do that very
wisely. And in targeted places.

477
00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:45,780
You know, where, where do you
want? Where do you think

478
00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:48,930
podcasters may want to hear
about hosting features? Well,

479
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,150
pod land? That would be a good
one. Yeah, but maybe, but maybe

480
00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:59,940
not. I mean, the Rogen thing is
not comparable to me. And you

481
00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:02,550
can see it that there's no
metrics, they really don't the

482
00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:06,180
only metric is Yeah, we got new
people using the podcast or not

483
00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:11,430
even that new people. Consuming
I there's I don't have in front

484
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:15,270
of me. But it's like okay,
conversions for Rogan. But yet

485
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:19,680
overall, monthly, average use is
down. or average, average

486
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:21,540
monthly average users is down.

487
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:24,630
One thing I thought was
interesting on this shit hold

488
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:28,170
on is that users are usage.
Eric, Ma, you

489
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:33,690
thought it was users? I think
its users to max for sure. Now.

490
00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:38,880
I know. And the other thing, are
they kind of trying to

491
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,270
monthly active users and Okay,
monthly active users now. So I

492
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:48,750
think their stuff is changing,
you know, something, something

493
00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:54,090
is definitely up these companies
mature. This had not paid

494
00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:57,210
attention to podcast one for a
long, long time. In fact, when I

495
00:31:57,210 --> 00:32:01,050
heard the pod land episode, I'm
like, well, this guy's cruisin

496
00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:04,170
for a lawsuit. How can you call
it podcast? One one that already

497
00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:04,890
exists?

498
00:32:06,750 --> 00:32:07,770
Today, it was the same guy.

499
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,550
Yeah. Well, he was talking about
launch pad one. But that's okay.

500
00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:15,600
This is the flip side to podcast
one. That's they must have

501
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,550
bought that. Did they buy the
the launch pad? Have they

502
00:32:17,550 --> 00:32:18,960
created themselves? I think

503
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,000
they just found it themselves.
And

504
00:32:21,030 --> 00:32:24,900
that's another reason why the
CTO can call you and say, Hey,

505
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:27,930
you know, I'm interested because
I actually know how this thing

506
00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:31,800
works. I don't have to talk to a
team that we bought. Yeah, I can

507
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,310
talk to you know, my main guys
or gals? peoples.

508
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:43,380
Yeah. So that kind of goes off.
Do you want to talk about

509
00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:47,730
anything about the new site?
Eric, do you want to? Cuz I

510
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:50,010
mean, it's kind of it's kind of
related. I mean, we, you're in

511
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:52,890
the homestretch of that thing
right now. And this would be,

512
00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:57,660
this is a way for, we're hoping
that the new site will be able

513
00:32:57,660 --> 00:33:02,280
to interface with a lot of this
stuff where the where the

514
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,480
holsters can't necessarily do
the value block. This is what

515
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,320
this is going to help with. You
want to sort of go into that at

516
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:16,530
all? Yeah, I mean, where to
start? Well, where? How far? How

517
00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:20,580
far? How far away? Do you think
it is? A couple weeks? Maybe?

518
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,060
Um, yeah, I'd say, depending on
how testing goes. But I'd say

519
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:29,490
yeah, week, week and a half,
when we can have we can start

520
00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:30,180
rolling some stuff.

521
00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:34,050
This is a type of rollout that
goes all in one or do we sack do

522
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:35,250
section by section,

523
00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:39,810
we're going to, well, kind of
like, you know, we'll probably

524
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:45,630
roll the front end side up. And
the admin will get rolled out at

525
00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:48,630
least the admin with a lot of a
lot of the features kind of

526
00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:53,580
coming on board over time.
Because it can be kind of like,

527
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:55,950
yeah, we're gonna switch out,
roll out the platforms, and then

528
00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:58,230
kind of just start adding and
turning on the things that are

529
00:33:58,230 --> 00:34:00,600
kind of being built and tested
as we go, because there's a lot

530
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,280
of pieces of the puzzle coming
together.

531
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,380
And can you tell us about that?
So the admin what, what is just

532
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:11,760
the general idea of, of podcast
index, having an admin at all?

533
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:15,420
Who is this for? Is it for all
users? What can you do? What,

534
00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,300
what is the purpose? Do you need
to have it? Is that enough

535
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:18,960
questions?

536
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:21,449
Take all of those.

537
00:34:22,499 --> 00:34:26,579
Yeah. Okay. So first, so the
admin is kind of the same way

538
00:34:26,579 --> 00:34:29,009
that you have an admin for
Google, it's like you can go in

539
00:34:29,009 --> 00:34:32,489
you can. So the idea is the
podcaster can go and see how

540
00:34:32,489 --> 00:34:35,909
we're managing their feeds, they
can update us directly. And in

541
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:39,689
the case of the value block, if
they have a host that doesn't

542
00:34:39,689 --> 00:34:44,879
support, you know, they can't
edit their feed, they can tell

543
00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:50,189
us which then we tell the 2.0
apps when they query gives the

544
00:34:50,189 --> 00:34:52,979
value block information so we
can kind of bolt on and

545
00:34:52,979 --> 00:34:57,719
supplement and enable them to be
to do the value block and start

546
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,499
streaming payments when they're
home. isn't necessarily up to

547
00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:05,909
speed yet on the 2.0 namespace.
Excellent. And so yeah, that's,

548
00:35:05,939 --> 00:35:09,509
that's the admin. And then
obviously, that would be where

549
00:35:09,509 --> 00:35:13,829
we would start delivering stats
and reporting that we have

550
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:18,299
access to and help supplement
and give them information

551
00:35:18,299 --> 00:35:21,779
related to their podcasts and
preferably maybe even query

552
00:35:21,779 --> 00:35:24,449
stats. So they can see, just
like Google, you can see how

553
00:35:24,449 --> 00:35:27,029
many times you know, people are
querying and stuff like that.

554
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:35,340
Now, for the for the listen
side. So when when people show

555
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:40,590
up, and you know, obviously you
can search and that's something

556
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:44,670
that people may not be showing
up for, or they are, how do we

557
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:49,920
work in the right off the bat
get, I really think we need to

558
00:35:49,950 --> 00:35:54,360
find a way to get people to want
to try a new app. And maybe it's

559
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,040
just as simple as saying, try a
podcasting two point app. Now.

560
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,080
Right at the top right, now just
land and then take it to a page.

561
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:11,460
Which ideally, I would say, the
developers themselves manage

562
00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:17,550
their own detail of what to do.
Yeah, sorry,

563
00:36:17,579 --> 00:36:22,139
which is, yeah, I mean that
because in my head, and this is

564
00:36:22,139 --> 00:36:28,739
going to be kind of the we're
running. We need to still handle

565
00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:32,099
and onboard listeners, even
though we're not providing an

566
00:36:32,099 --> 00:36:36,299
app, we're provide, you know,
we're delivering content and the

567
00:36:36,299 --> 00:36:39,269
app. And so listeners are gonna
come to us to look for

568
00:36:39,539 --> 00:36:42,269
potentially both new things to
listen to, or to find their

569
00:36:42,269 --> 00:36:45,959
podcast or find a new app. And
so yeah, we do need to in that

570
00:36:45,959 --> 00:36:49,529
listen page, we do have to, we
really want to push the we want

571
00:36:49,529 --> 00:36:52,349
to push the apps and say, Okay,
yeah, you look your pod your,

572
00:36:52,349 --> 00:36:55,439
your, your podcast, that you
listen to her here, here's some

573
00:36:55,439 --> 00:36:58,139
more that you might be
interested in. Oh, yeah. Look at

574
00:36:58,139 --> 00:37:02,009
all the features that 2.0
delivers for you as a listener,

575
00:37:02,669 --> 00:37:07,319
you know, and why you should be
using a 2.0 app, and then

576
00:37:07,319 --> 00:37:08,489
supporting your podcast this

577
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:14,580
way, can we do a platform query
so that we, when you get an app,

578
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:20,160
it sends someone to a page that
has the apps? So if you're iOS,

579
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,660
you get iOS? and web apps? Yeah,
easily. That's the thing. That's

580
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,660
probably a cool idea. Because
it's so much easier for from a

581
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:32,010
user perspective than kind of
hunting around which one? Yeah,

582
00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:35,610
they always have their Android
apps, desktop apps this way. But

583
00:37:35,610 --> 00:37:37,680
I think web apps should be
included in every search,

584
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,000
obviously, as a result,

585
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:43,260
once the once the value block
goes in, so just so people are

586
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:49,200
clear, this is this, the
onboarding site that Eric is, is

587
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:52,110
in the homestretch of building
here is going to be a

588
00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:56,910
replacement for podcast or
podcast index.org and podcast or

589
00:37:56,910 --> 00:38:01,170
wallet, both, right, it's gonna
take those two things and merge

590
00:38:01,170 --> 00:38:06,060
them into one coherent site,
where, if you're a podcaster,

591
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:11,970
you can go and claim claim your
feet in the index, and then

592
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,660
insert the value block for
yourself with splits and all

593
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:22,140
that jazz. And then also get in
the next step would be at

594
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:26,610
redirect, you know, shown where
an app is that will support 2.0.

595
00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:30,600
So if that, if that's the case,
then what you could do is you

596
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,310
could like, have a list of apps
there and click on it or tap on

597
00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:38,850
it or whatever, then it kicks
you out to an app with your

598
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,380
podcast pre loaded.

599
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:41,880
Yeah. Nice.

600
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,870
Like, because they're almost all
the apps now support, you know,

601
00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:50,130
hotlinking or deep linking
directly into a show from the

602
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:51,930
link right now would be pretty
cool.

603
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:56,400
You know, one day my dream will
come true where the podcasts

604
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,110
are, maintains their podcast
feed in the same app that is

605
00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:02,550
consumed in one day.

606
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:05,340
The wiziwig Yeah, like Microsoft

607
00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:08,550
Word, you know, you write it in
Word, you read it in Word.

608
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:15,030
Well, I think on the on the
podcast, Detail page, on the

609
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:18,510
listen side, we can actually
just do all of the podcasts We

610
00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:23,550
are, we are well, I added or
started building in the kind of

611
00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:26,790
the directory so that the apps
can go in to update their

612
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:29,940
information, their links,
they'll go Good, good, good.

613
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:33,300
And, and but but also, I built
it into the directory as

614
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,840
categories. So if we have a
wallet provider or a node

615
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,900
provider, or a web host, they
can put their stuff in so that

616
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:43,080
people so both the podcaster and
listener side can find the

617
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,430
relevant good both both for the
on ramp and for just when

618
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:51,120
they're on the site. So on the
detail page for a podcast, we

619
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,850
can have all the links to the
podcast like here, here's here's

620
00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:57,210
all the 2.0 apps and here's the
link and then and then do a days

621
00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:00,210
at which is then we can go right
into their app right and say I'm

622
00:40:00,210 --> 00:40:02,220
right there, right and onboard
them right into

623
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:04,590
the app. So, God, that's cool.

624
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:08,820
So I've got an idea that I got
it, I got kicked, check this

625
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,640
out. So whenever a pilot

626
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,650
says, check this out, you know,
you're gonna die. Hold my beer.

627
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,090
The they, okay, so in the
future, once we get, once we get

628
00:40:24,090 --> 00:40:30,660
this thing stable, then because
we are talking about, the way

629
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:32,760
this is gonna work is you're
gonna have the onboarding side,

630
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:35,700
and then you're going to put in
your value block. And it's going

631
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:41,040
to call a private API back to
the index that will allow

632
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,010
whatever your value block is
that you put in and allow it to

633
00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:47,070
be stuck directly into your
feed, as we know it in the

634
00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:51,150
index. So that correct podcast
apps to use us can get your

635
00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:56,250
value block out. So step two in
the future, once this stuff's

636
00:40:56,250 --> 00:41:02,970
working in Java, and is that we
can go to the host, and update

637
00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:08,970
the host. So like, yes, yes,
proxy sexy mobis. Proud allows

638
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:13,380
custom, like you can, you can
open a support ticket and put in

639
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:17,250
accussed. And they will put in
custom XML for you. So we could

640
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:21,690
work with with the hosts, like
in this case, buzzsprout to

641
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:26,790
maybe develop a private API,
where we can handle Yeah, yeah,

642
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,250
here's a P, here's the piece of
XML. And you don't have to open

643
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:32,130
up a support ticket and have to
sift through some review process

644
00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:33,270
or something like that. Maybe,
but

645
00:41:33,630 --> 00:41:37,020
so used to just handing back to
the entire namespace elements

646
00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:38,790
with just the XML block, or,

647
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,710
yeah, just the value for the
value.

648
00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:44,160
The value the value tag. Yeah,
okay. Yeah. Good. Good. Good.

649
00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:47,670
Yeah, it's almost like hard
paying for value blocks. Yeah.

650
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,540
Right. It's my first time,
reverse piping,

651
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:58,110
or rpp. I want to I want to
emphasize my Eric, I really

652
00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:00,720
appreciate the amount of work
you're putting into doing this.

653
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,570
I mean, this is not trivial,
certainly on some of the stats

654
00:42:03,570 --> 00:42:06,360
side and stuff that you've been
working on for, for the

655
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,920
podcasters. It's a lot of work.
And it's kind of fun to see you

656
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:18,510
and Dave doing that on the on
our signal chat. I just sit

657
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:18,930
back.

658
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:25,230
It's figuring out how to how to
make some of these things happen

659
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:29,040
with the parameters we have with
lightning and everything else to

660
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,700
is kind of a

661
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:36,510
because you're talking about
doing stats from both

662
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:40,350
directions. So like, if it's an
lm pay, hosted wallet, you could

663
00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:44,250
get stats through that. Or if
the if there have a private

664
00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:47,940
node, they could provide you
with a macaroon. And then you

665
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,880
could pull the stats off off of
their thing. I mean, that's

666
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:53,250
coming down the line. But like,
you're you're talking about

667
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:55,770
going both directions with it to
get some stats,

668
00:42:56,579 --> 00:42:59,189
right. So that podcasters, I
don't, because again, we're

669
00:42:59,189 --> 00:43:02,999
trying to, you know, if they
want to go and pay route, and go

670
00:43:02,999 --> 00:43:05,579
the non custodial if they want
to go, you know, or custodial.

671
00:43:05,579 --> 00:43:08,819
And if they want to, you know,
do that run their own, or

672
00:43:08,819 --> 00:43:11,459
whatever we can. And even if
they don't want to do value

673
00:43:11,459 --> 00:43:14,189
enable, we can still hopefully
give them as much stats and data

674
00:43:14,189 --> 00:43:18,659
as we can give them. So it's all
consolidated. And you've already

675
00:43:18,659 --> 00:43:20,969
got this tasty stream thing.

676
00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:22,979
I mean, like, I think you showed
me that this morning, right?

677
00:43:23,609 --> 00:43:26,219
Yeah, no, that part's done. So
people can onboard on the

678
00:43:26,219 --> 00:43:28,259
Satoshi stream straight off
direct.

679
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:32,040
Oh, really. And it connects and
it works. And you get all the

680
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,930
data or how does that how does
that function?

681
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,320
We were no, we're not pulling
data from Satoshi stream right

682
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,440
now. But we are onboarding. So
if somebody wants

683
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:46,080
Ah, yes, plus, yes, yes. Gotcha,
gotcha. Right. So you have front

684
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,890
to back, someone showing up
saying, Yeah, I want to, I want

685
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:55,560
to value for value enable, my
feed is a verification, and then

686
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,240
you choose the Toshi streams,
and it

687
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,299
works. And then it's hooked up.
And then we give them the next

688
00:44:00,299 --> 00:44:03,449
step per Satoshi streams
instructions. And then they go,

689
00:44:03,569 --> 00:44:06,329
they they take the next steps to
go finish what they need to do

690
00:44:06,329 --> 00:44:09,719
relative to that vendor. And if
we have another vendor comes

691
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,379
along, they can get plugged into
the on ramp as well. Nice.

692
00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:15,780
Yeah. And I think that that's
something that people need to

693
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,740
understand is that number one,
the XML, the value blog, and

694
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:23,070
everything in the namespace is
all it's all open. We don't we

695
00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:28,680
don't control it. No. But then
the number two is that we, we

696
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,300
make our 1% off of the whole
thing. We make that through our

697
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:38,310
relationship with apps. And so
anything on the back end, like

698
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:45,150
Satoshi stream, or LMP, or
voltage or anybody can do these

699
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:50,370
things on the back end. And it's
not any sort of skin off our

700
00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:55,050
back at all. That's the more the
more pathways to onboarding the

701
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:55,920
better the

702
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,000
better. Yeah.

703
00:44:57,929 --> 00:45:00,089
Yes, there's no there's no yeah,
there's no there's no The

704
00:45:00,089 --> 00:45:03,539
siloing going on on the back of
our system. It's purely just

705
00:45:03,899 --> 00:45:07,169
onboard as many people as you
can get, because that's how you

706
00:45:07,169 --> 00:45:09,299
grow the system. Last night

707
00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:17,610
Tina and I went to the Max Max
and Stacy Kaiser f Ilan added

708
00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:19,650
that party in Austin.

709
00:45:20,099 --> 00:45:21,809
So Stacy had orange hair

710
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:30,060
yeah and Max wars Bitcoin
swimming trunks Well, the I

711
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:33,870
mean, it was it was kind of
exactly what you'd expect from

712
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,820
from you know a hastily
organized punk bash kind of

713
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:44,430
thing. It was the right place
the the spider spider Ballroom

714
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:48,660
in in Austin is perfect you know
they have poetry slams and drag

715
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:55,140
drag competitions. What was
interesting to me is the amount

716
00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:58,560
of people now mind you this of
course is a Bitcoin crowd but

717
00:45:58,590 --> 00:46:03,420
even the Bitcoin crowd You know,
there's so a lot of exposure

718
00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:07,050
that all of this needs. A lot of
people were talking about

719
00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:10,140
streaming satoshis a lot of them
and that's what they stream in

720
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:11,100
SATs man. I love it.

721
00:46:12,389 --> 00:46:13,019
That's cool.

722
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,980
Yeah, it really then I got to
talk about it with Stacey for

723
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640
you know what interesting,
because what she really

724
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,010
highlighted what she knows is
crowd, it's their is their

725
00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:28,590
audience was f the middleman.
People love that aspect of it.

726
00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:33,420
They think what your take so
even Patreon. Yeah, like as

727
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:39,540
Patreon okay? Because the whole
idea of the middleman is

728
00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:43,050
something that this group, and
I'd say they're all kind of the

729
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:49,380
same age now. They're all older
millennials. 25 to 35 in that

730
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,350
range, they all they're sick of
it to seek out the middleman.

731
00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:54,240
They love this idea of freedom.

732
00:46:55,409 --> 00:47:01,889
Well, it's, it's, it's an it's
also a total privacy as well,

733
00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:06,329
because I don't know did y'all?
If y'all listen to that? I think

734
00:47:06,329 --> 00:47:11,639
it's Dutch. The event name that
you saw, it's one of the Bitcoin

735
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:15,299
magazine podcasts. I think it's
called the

736
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,590
is that the one marnix

737
00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:21,600
the one it's like, Van we're
dumb. Wish worse. NATO.

738
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:25,650
Van Norden. Shark NATO. Yeah.

739
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:32,700
Yeah, that was my Dutch. Dutch.
Yeah, that was my Dutch. Hold

740
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:32,910
on.

741
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:35,370
It would be in the breeze app.
Right. I could find it in

742
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:43,380
once that it's a VA n. w RDUM.
Yvonne von leerdam

743
00:47:43,739 --> 00:47:45,239
convierte Vir dumb Yeah.

744
00:47:45,869 --> 00:47:47,909
Oh, they see their beard.

745
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:54,809
Pretty big. SJ Oh yeah. Schorsch
NATO, that is actually funny.

746
00:47:55,439 --> 00:48:00,809
That Schorsch is a Dutch name.
And, and he's actually making a

747
00:48:00,809 --> 00:48:05,969
play on Shark NATO by saying
shores NATO. Okay, yeah.

748
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,460
Yeah, that show I think I sent
you a link. He had a, they did a

749
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:14,190
special with one of the
lightning lightning core

750
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:19,410
developers about channels, and
how the channels work in it was

751
00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:26,430
excellent. I really and and I
recommend anybody to go and

752
00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:30,180
listen to that episode. He was
fantastic. Because they go into

753
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:37,980
every detail of the way channel
routing works. And in how, how

754
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:45,210
the how the failures inform the
route in the future. And so

755
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:49,440
everything is done through
routing pairs. So he had to, if

756
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,960
a pair of nodes fail, then that
pair will be demoted for future.

757
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,110
Oh, wow. This is the technical
side of Bitcoin, the van veeram.

758
00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:05,250
shores, NATO. And it's the
lightning network routing

759
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:09,330
Episode 41 up with that in the
show notes.

760
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:15,540
Okay. Yeah. Excellent material.
And one of the things here

761
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:20,130
because we were trying to find,
as part of our stats stuff, we

762
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:26,310
were trying to find the source
of the data source pub key for

763
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:27,780
who initiated the payment.

764
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,040
Right, right. Right.

765
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:34,560
I remember the chat and in
listening to the in depth of the

766
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,340
routing. Now I know what we
can't find that is because every

767
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:39,960
step of the chain is private.

768
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:44,040
Yes, yeah, that's right. But
this you can find out some

769
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,470
stuff, but you're never gonna
get down to that or not easily

770
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:48,960
want to get down to that level
without some external data.

771
00:49:49,409 --> 00:49:52,859
Yeah, all you know, is is sort
of the last hop in the chain.

772
00:49:53,399 --> 00:50:00,179
Yes. And so, I mean, like that
is that's another reason why You

773
00:50:00,179 --> 00:50:03,359
know, people would get excited
about this as your you've

774
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,779
gotten, you know, you've got the
ability to, to make payments and

775
00:50:06,779 --> 00:50:11,129
agreements between the two
private parties, but then you

776
00:50:11,129 --> 00:50:15,419
don't really know how to track
it, you can't really excuse me,

777
00:50:15,419 --> 00:50:21,119
you really can't track it. As in
order to man in the middle, so

778
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:25,049
to speak, right, you can't jump
in between and become some

779
00:50:25,229 --> 00:50:30,989
proxy. So you've got that all
that sort of ultimate good.

780
00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:34,650
Here's the flip side to that,
which is then it makes record

781
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:40,320
keeping in, and the accounting
side, kind of a pain in the ass.

782
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,080
There's also next to impossible.
There's also

783
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,680
another aspect to it, which
we've already seen in society, I

784
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,680
love the history of money. And
one thing that I just can't read

785
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,690
enough of, is the perception of
money, and different types of

786
00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:58,350
money and how coin is perceived.
And there's all kinds of reasons

787
00:50:58,350 --> 00:51:01,800
why coins are the way they are,
or the way bills are the way

788
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,950
they are. It's not just for
security, it's how people feel

789
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:08,670
about them and how they attach
value and all these Enya we move

790
00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:12,210
over to Venmo very different
type of value. And what they

791
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:17,520
feel is for big money or little
money. This is yet another kind

792
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,460
of evolution of value transfer
that we've been used to putting

793
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:27,750
a credit card on file with
someone and then either it's all

794
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:31,770
you can eat or you you pay per
time you go this is yet

795
00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:34,320
something something else
altogether. It's like now I'm

796
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,570
activating a payment with a
press of a button.

797
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:44,940
Yeah, that that's the the that's
what got me so jazzed when I saw

798
00:51:44,940 --> 00:51:49,710
the Curio caster tip jar thing
this morning. Sounds like it's

799
00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:50,340
like, wow,

800
00:51:50,489 --> 00:51:51,359
I hit this.

801
00:51:51,449 --> 00:51:55,319
Yeah, all sudden, I was like,
Oh, my God, this is like, this

802
00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:59,369
is the dream. I mean, like this
is literally even more so than

803
00:51:59,369 --> 00:52:03,149
the per minute streaming, being
able to go and just do a direct

804
00:52:03,149 --> 00:52:06,899
payment. And there was no, there
was no invoices involved.

805
00:52:06,959 --> 00:52:10,559
Nothing like that. It's just,
here's a person. I can just pay

806
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,429
them just squirt some SATs.
Yeah. But you know

807
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:17,550
what, when people start to do
music with this, and there was

808
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,370
actually there was a developer
yesterday who approached me

809
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:25,560
said, Hey, man, I'm I do. I
think it's probably what's the

810
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,680
cross platform? Saying for apps?

811
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,710
Like that? flutter? flutter?
flutter

812
00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:35,430
flutter? Yeah, thank you. And,
you know, you guys need any

813
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:37,860
developers. First of all, we
always need people who know how

814
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:40,500
to develop, and please, you
know, just join us. Let's see

815
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:42,600
what you can do. today. I'm
really interested in music. It's

816
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,370
a perfect, make a music app. And
then can you just imagine you'd

817
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,470
hit the tip jar for a guitar
solo?

818
00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:50,939
No, man, it

819
00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:53,970
can be synced right to the
guitar solo.

820
00:52:54,629 --> 00:52:57,359
I mean, there's no information
on that. Okay.

821
00:52:57,389 --> 00:53:01,439
I was just gonna say, Yeah, I
love having the two of you with

822
00:53:01,439 --> 00:53:05,129
these conversations, because,
you know, on the one hand, how

823
00:53:05,129 --> 00:53:07,739
you're going to put it together.
Eric's already thinking about

824
00:53:07,739 --> 00:53:12,209
the graphical display of those
statistics. It's imagine like

825
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,119
you playing the song, you can
see which band members getting

826
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:22,379
more SATs. Well, there you go. I
mean,

827
00:53:23,219 --> 00:53:27,809
it's bands needed more reasons
to break. That's the punch line

828
00:53:27,809 --> 00:53:33,779
right there. Yeah, that my son
is in a metal band. They have.

829
00:53:34,289 --> 00:53:38,429
Now he's in a thrash metal band.
He plays bass in there. They

830
00:53:38,429 --> 00:53:43,349
just recorded their, their first
album, cool. Get six original

831
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:47,279
songs. And I talked them I
talked to the band The other

832
00:53:47,279 --> 00:53:51,719
day. And I've talked him into
letting into letting us release

833
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,879
it as an album. Through as a
podcast album, value for value.

834
00:53:56,969 --> 00:54:01,019
Wow. They'll take they'll take
delta is within like, they've

835
00:54:01,019 --> 00:54:03,929
already got the first two songs
mastered. So within within a

836
00:54:03,929 --> 00:54:06,359
couple of weeks, they'll have
the full album mastered and

837
00:54:06,359 --> 00:54:08,249
we'll be able to do that is so

838
00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:08,910
cool.

839
00:54:09,389 --> 00:54:11,729
Yeah, they're they're excited
about because he's got me

840
00:54:11,729 --> 00:54:14,699
they're teenagers. They're like,
Oh, this is so cool. And

841
00:54:14,699 --> 00:54:18,749
now the podcasting 2.0 dramatize
version of what happened to

842
00:54:18,749 --> 00:54:22,709
Dave's house. Listen, kids, if
you still want to rehearse in

843
00:54:22,709 --> 00:54:25,949
this garage, we're gonna do this
shit value for value. Okay.

844
00:54:26,969 --> 00:54:29,009
It's two o'clock in the morning.

845
00:54:30,389 --> 00:54:33,809
Yep. Well done, sir. Well
played.

846
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:38,310
Thank you. Thank you know,
they're gonna be there. They're

847
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:39,840
just they're jazzed about it.

848
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:49,290
Now, very cool. Hey, before I
forget, we need to you had some

849
00:54:49,290 --> 00:54:52,800
namespace stuff you want to talk
about that we said we're going

850
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,340
to carry over to today, and I
think we should seriously do a

851
00:54:56,340 --> 00:55:01,200
good update. And you've got
clips and We have people to

852
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,000
thank and your dog you know

853
00:55:05,009 --> 00:55:07,109
what's wrong? Now? Let me go
shut him up.

854
00:55:07,259 --> 00:55:12,929
Alright. Eric and I'll talk
totally. Eric, thank you so

855
00:55:12,929 --> 00:55:18,029
much. I just got the gift before
we started recording is you

856
00:55:18,029 --> 00:55:23,999
know, it is weird. So no, no, it
is fantastic. I want to wait

857
00:55:23,999 --> 00:55:26,789
until days back when I want I
want them to hear what you sent

858
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:30,569
us. It also guilt him that he
sent me nothing. Guilt him into

859
00:55:30,569 --> 00:55:35,909
a cheap bastard. move across I
move across the state of Texas

860
00:55:36,329 --> 00:55:40,799
50 miles he could have at least
recognized my trip. Dave you

861
00:55:40,799 --> 00:55:47,159
back into Texas. It's true. I
was just I was just mentioning

862
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:52,139
that. Eric and his family
actually with a beautiful card

863
00:55:52,769 --> 00:55:56,939
sent us a housewarming gift and
I did arrive just before the

864
00:55:56,939 --> 00:56:00,899
show. Check it out. So there's
it's all Texas theme. So there's

865
00:56:00,989 --> 00:56:08,219
a Texas beer cozy. There's a
Texas coasters, a beautiful

866
00:56:08,249 --> 00:56:12,659
Lonestar flag, and then a
welcome mat. which is which is

867
00:56:12,659 --> 00:56:15,389
really interesting because we've
been looking for a welcome mat.

868
00:56:16,229 --> 00:56:19,649
We haven't quite decided on one
and this one says come back with

869
00:56:19,649 --> 00:56:20,279
a warrant.

870
00:56:26,099 --> 00:56:29,069
Come back with a warrant and
four more inches on your barrel.

871
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:32,610
Right and then and this is the
this is your you're welcome to

872
00:56:32,610 --> 00:56:37,890
Texas your Texas welcome kit
Asterix firearm sold separately.

873
00:56:40,409 --> 00:56:42,719
The only thing you can make it
better would be a deep fried

874
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,319
Snickers

875
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:50,610
from the Texas fairgrounds you
know it you know it? Yeah, we're

876
00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:53,070
talking namespace goods. It's in
such

877
00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:55,770
a way. Okay. Well, I don't know
what do we want to do? I've got

878
00:56:55,770 --> 00:56:59,400
a couple of now I don't know if
I have any clips that that are

879
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,090
really good for the what we're
talking about today. I do have a

880
00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:04,140
couple of ISOs though.

881
00:57:05,429 --> 00:57:07,139
Why not? What What you looking
at?

882
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:11,729
Give me I saw a little bit meta.
This is a little bit meta.

883
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:15,450
Wow. Which shows this from that
is from the

884
00:57:16,619 --> 00:57:17,759
wasn't it rising?

885
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:20,520
This is a little bit meta. I
might have to steal that for no

886
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,670
agenda. Yeah, yeah. Good. That's
really good. I

887
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:27,150
like it. That's from the TV
interview on the right. I think

888
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:28,920
it's the rising show. It's
awesome.

889
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,750
Oh, is that with crystal ball? I
don't know if that was from the

890
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:35,190
hill. Isn't the rising or my?

891
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:39,720
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. From the
hill. Yeah. And then we'll see

892
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,070
there's this one I so basically,
the facts, basically the facts.

893
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,820
I get a kick out of that.
Basically the facts, facts,

894
00:57:50,850 --> 00:57:51,660
facts.

895
00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:58,650
For some reason. I just love. I
just love the maybe it's the

896
00:57:58,650 --> 00:58:04,050
word fact or something. But when
kids do which I have one from a

897
00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:05,040
kid somewhere.

898
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:08,160
Oh, that's the old school. One
that no one from a long time

899
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:08,460
ago.

900
00:58:09,449 --> 00:58:11,849
Yeah, yes. Yeah, that one where

901
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:18,150
I sent you that clip? 10 years
ago? No. Yes. That was my that

902
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:18,780
was Montclair.

903
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:21,390
And who is that? Where'd you get
it from?

904
00:58:21,569 --> 00:58:29,759
It came from a YouTube video
series called Oh my god. It's

905
00:58:29,759 --> 00:58:34,979
like kids, kid history, I think
is the name of it. And it's it's

906
00:58:34,979 --> 00:58:39,869
kids telling retelling their
parents stories from when

907
00:58:39,869 --> 00:58:42,449
they're so the parents would
tell them stories from when they

908
00:58:42,449 --> 00:58:45,449
were young about crazy stuff
that the parents did. And then

909
00:58:45,449 --> 00:58:49,229
the kids will retell it back.
And the parent and the parents

910
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:55,409
will, will act it out as if the
horrible, incorrect retelling of

911
00:58:55,409 --> 00:58:59,159
them trying to get it right was
actually what happened. It's

912
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:00,989
really funny that anyway, that
came from that.

913
00:59:00,990 --> 00:59:03,300
Yeah. And it would be great if I
could find it now that we've

914
00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:06,750
gone through this explanation of
how long we've had this

915
00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:09,480
exchange, but I just can't seem
to find it. So.

916
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:17,550
Yeah, goods, goods there.
They're generating right now. So

917
00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:22,050
I wanted to sort of think this
through. there's a there's a bi

918
00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:24,030
GUI endpoint for

919
00:59:28,409 --> 00:59:31,919
Sorry about that. Yes. Yeah,
that's from that video. 2013. I

920
00:59:31,919 --> 00:59:33,089
have it 2013

921
00:59:33,659 --> 00:59:40,079
Yeah, that's Yeah, that's for
me. Wow. policy. So the idea

922
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,369
behind the good is a way for,
for you to track or address

923
00:59:44,399 --> 00:59:47,969
really, it's not, it's a dress
or a way for you to address a

924
00:59:47,969 --> 00:59:53,009
podcast universally no matter
what platform. It's being

925
00:59:53,009 --> 00:59:57,419
referenced on. And you would
think Well, okay, we'll just use

926
00:59:57,419 --> 01:00:03,539
the URL, but the URL changes,
because people change how

927
01:00:03,539 --> 01:00:04,199
sometimes?

928
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:05,010
Yes,

929
01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:13,440
the idea of the gu ID is pretty
clear. But they're needed those

930
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,940
goods needed to exist. So if
we're going to end up with once

931
01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:20,970
we pre generate all these goods,
and ultimately it doesn't matter

932
01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:24,750
what the good it is, I mean, the
good doesn't happen. Because

933
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:28,320
once you have a good it just, it
stays the same for the rest of

934
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,400
the life of the podcast.

935
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:32,400
Like an ISDN number for

936
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,680
a book. That is exactly what it
is exactly what it is. So the

937
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:43,560
question in the quiz, the next
question is, what how do we

938
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,580
provide a way? For people for
that

939
01:00:47,579 --> 01:00:48,449
to get some Sorry?

940
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,580
Yeah, no, no, give, get ask your
question.

941
01:00:51,659 --> 01:00:56,309
To get it back to the source or
to get it. Wouldn't you want

942
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:59,309
that to go back to the host? So
the host also knows about this?

943
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:02,130
Yeah. And that's what that's
exactly what I'm thinking, how

944
01:01:02,130 --> 01:01:05,160
do we get it back into the
ecosystem so that people know

945
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,990
what they're doing is right. And
so I'm thinking that maybe we

946
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:13,410
just put it as a QR code or
something like that? on their

947
01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:14,460
podcast. Okay.

948
01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:20,850
Wow. Okay. This is cool. Because
now you have a universal way to

949
01:01:20,850 --> 01:01:27,210
subscribe with my God. And, and
we can do badges and all kinds

950
01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:30,750
of cool things. Like it's cool
to have a low number.

951
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:34,380
School has no such thing as a
low number, cuz they're all 40

952
01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:35,610
bits. Yeah,

953
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,860
well, that sucks. tech guys have
no idea what marketing is. And

954
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:48,780
the QR code is great. I love
that idea. Universal Shouldn't

955
01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:51,570
it be? What is q? R stands for?

956
01:01:53,250 --> 01:02:00,150
Uh, huh. stumped. Eric, what is
QR codes? Let me see if I can

957
01:02:00,150 --> 01:02:01,860
recall off the top.

958
01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:07,590
Is it a trademark? quick
response code response? quick

959
01:02:07,590 --> 01:02:11,190
response. So how about a que es
code? I recall? How about a que

960
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:17,040
es code? clinics quick ship?
Quick subscribe. A quick before

961
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:24,210
or we could do a Qf quick
follow? Up seriously. This is

962
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,390
grabs as far as I'm concerned.
Quick listen.

963
01:02:29,369 --> 01:02:38,519
That I like I like this QR code.
So if we do a que es code, then

964
01:02:38,669 --> 01:02:45,719
if you if you like it would be a
link to some something will be

965
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:50,249
ideal would be have it have a
link to something that lets them

966
01:02:50,279 --> 01:02:51,749
that shows it. Go ahead.

967
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,270
Oh, well, we could do it as
almost the short shortened URL,

968
01:02:58,739 --> 01:03:03,809
or URL shortener or Bitly type
thing? Hmm. Because I have

969
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:06,630
what's the point?

970
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:11,580
Well, the idea is that we could
then redirect to whatever their

971
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:15,840
page happens to be because if
the host page the RSS feed is is

972
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:19,320
a transitory and the idea is
that this squared and the QR

973
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,100
code would be

974
01:03:20,909 --> 01:03:25,499
right. Oh, okay. So but it Oh, I
get it. So in, in effect, we'd

975
01:03:25,499 --> 01:03:29,279
be rebounding but anyone could
do that. Because you can the QR

976
01:03:29,279 --> 01:03:34,229
code. Has the base has the gu ID
in it. Right. So we're just

977
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:36,959
we're not doing it on a URL.
We're doing it based on a gu ID.

978
01:03:37,799 --> 01:03:41,969
Right, which, which is a fant
fantastic way to that for sure.

979
01:03:41,969 --> 01:03:45,149
This is what Amazon does. When
you walk into a bookstore, and

980
01:03:45,149 --> 01:03:49,259
you scan the barcode isbm
number, they just look it up and

981
01:03:49,259 --> 01:03:54,269
they sell it to you cheaper.
Right? Right. I love this. Yeah,

982
01:03:54,389 --> 01:03:55,679
that's, that's powerful.

983
01:03:57,179 --> 01:04:03,239
Well, if we do so if we have the
gu IDs, then and we have the

984
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:08,909
onboarding site done, then
people would be able to let us

985
01:04:08,909 --> 01:04:15,059
know go in and change their
their URL. If, if for a lot of

986
01:04:15,059 --> 01:04:17,609
URL changes, we pick it up
automatically. If they properly

987
01:04:17,609 --> 01:04:21,689
set a 301. We'll pick that up
and we'll and we'll change it in

988
01:04:21,689 --> 01:04:28,619
the DB. But for other scenarios,
where they leave their host and

989
01:04:28,619 --> 01:04:32,579
don't ever never tell us, they
just let their account expire.

990
01:04:32,939 --> 01:04:38,159
But then they go over here to
host you know, X, Y, Z and just

991
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:43,319
create a podcast over here with
the same name. Right back in

992
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:47,099
log. Yep. datas Yeah, they can
just come in and switch and

993
01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:53,459
switch their feed. And then we
can and we can be. We can at

994
01:04:53,459 --> 01:04:56,189
that point that the good mate
maintains its relationship

995
01:04:56,249 --> 01:05:02,399
properly and then people can
Just download our database from

996
01:05:02,399 --> 01:05:05,459
time to time or try our use our
tracking in points or whatever.

997
01:05:05,459 --> 01:05:08,129
And they can track that. And
what we could do is we could do

998
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:12,059
we could do, I could create a
URL endpoint, excuse me, an API

999
01:05:12,059 --> 01:05:18,449
endpoint that has the details,
recent changes, so that you can

1000
01:05:18,449 --> 01:05:23,759
see when things when things are
things move. There'll be another

1001
01:05:23,759 --> 01:05:27,089
possibility, and it will just
have the new ID and the new URL.

1002
01:05:29,699 --> 01:05:30,479
We think about that.

1003
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:37,109
The our just a straight quid, go
into link returns, which is you

1004
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:41,159
can do a quick translation of
the current, you know, so if

1005
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:45,329
someone else wanted to do a
referral system, user comes in,

1006
01:05:45,479 --> 01:05:46,019
then that Yeah,

1007
01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:50,010
yeah, yeah. So I'd be okay. So
I'm thinking of like, pod as a

1008
01:05:50,010 --> 01:05:58,050
pod link and pod page. And those
guys could do. Point blank.

1009
01:05:58,110 --> 01:06:02,790
That's something of plank they
could get in this game is sort

1010
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:06,240
of, they could create these nice
landing pages that have you have

1011
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,710
a gu ID in it, and then somebody
hits the gu ID of the of the, of

1012
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:14,190
their service. And then it shows
like a whole batch of dough. Do

1013
01:06:14,190 --> 01:06:16,770
you want to listen in this app?
Or this app or this app? You

1014
01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:20,430
know, a bunch of universal
universal hits like that. Right.

1015
01:06:21,869 --> 01:06:26,219
And then, oh, wow, this is this
is very exciting. And just from

1016
01:06:26,219 --> 01:06:29,339
a, from a historical
perspective, make sure we

1017
01:06:29,339 --> 01:06:31,799
haven't overlooked anything. Why
is no one done this? I mean, QR

1018
01:06:31,799 --> 01:06:35,699
codes have been around for a
long time. The is just no one

1019
01:06:35,909 --> 01:06:39,389
said, Oh, we'll we'll create a
good or everyone basically use

1020
01:06:39,389 --> 01:06:42,779
the iTunes ID. I mean, is that
is that kind of where that went?

1021
01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:44,939
It was that day. Okay.

1022
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:51,000
Yeah. Okay, so and and on that
on that note? I've been thinking

1023
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:51,810
about this.

1024
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:54,180
If you want to buy Apple, okay,
hold on a second.

1025
01:06:56,310 --> 01:06:59,760
Before you go there, Adam. I
think the reason is, is because

1026
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,310
most of the companies that could
implement this aren't thinking

1027
01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:04,590
about podcasters. They're
thinking about themselves. It's

1028
01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:08,520
not about good point. Good
point. You see what I'm saying?

1029
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,040
It's about it doesn't make them
any money. They don't

1030
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,760
care. It's so interesting that
it's so hard for people to

1031
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,250
believe that everyone's kind of
in this just to make the

1032
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:20,880
industry better. I think that
truly is one of the reasons why

1033
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,260
people are not initially
interested because now there's

1034
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:29,580
no big money. There's no be a
big PR push. It's an open

1035
01:07:29,580 --> 01:07:33,750
source. I think people really
underestimate what's going on.

1036
01:07:34,350 --> 01:07:36,060
That's what I decide. I'm just

1037
01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:39,360
what we're not creating walled
gardens, so that's not

1038
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,120
you know, people aren't used to
free open space. What's that?

1039
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,960
That's scary looking freedom.
Why? Oh, no, I don't want that

1040
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,600
pasture. Sorry. Anyway.

1041
01:07:50,219 --> 01:07:54,809
If you have either of y'all read
the book, caves of steel, by

1042
01:07:54,809 --> 01:07:55,619
Isaac Asimov.

1043
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,230
Wait, no, I don't think so.

1044
01:07:58,619 --> 01:08:04,469
It's, it's the future society
where everybody, we're all a

1045
01:08:04,469 --> 01:08:08,849
civilization ends up living in
these in these mega cities that

1046
01:08:08,849 --> 01:08:14,819
have maybe 50 billion people in
one city. And then all the

1047
01:08:14,819 --> 01:08:19,469
cities are because population
the population is so high. They

1048
01:08:19,469 --> 01:08:24,419
have to do they have to do
things like large soy based

1049
01:08:24,449 --> 01:08:30,149
farms is like Soylent Green. So
then, but every all these cities

1050
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:33,869
are under domes, they're under
these him these massive steel

1051
01:08:33,869 --> 01:08:38,849
domes. And then everybody lives
in these under these domes their

1052
01:08:38,849 --> 01:08:44,609
entire life. And so they end up
over time, they become from

1053
01:08:44,609 --> 01:08:49,409
birth have become accustomed to
live inside the dome. And even

1054
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:54,419
the thought of outside open
spaces in this in the open sky

1055
01:08:54,419 --> 01:08:57,689
blue sky and green grass, like
gives them trippy day they freak

1056
01:08:57,689 --> 01:09:01,019
out. They have like an anxiety
attack. It's like that's, that's

1057
01:09:01,019 --> 01:09:03,269
what's going on. It's like
that's what's going on in the in

1058
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:06,869
the podcast world. They're
there, everybody's so accustomed

1059
01:09:06,869 --> 01:09:10,859
to silos and walled gardens. And
that's how you make money is by

1060
01:09:10,859 --> 01:09:15,959
capturing part of the industry
not by serving it that they

1061
01:09:15,959 --> 01:09:19,139
can't decide they don't know how
to think about it. Oh, my God,

1062
01:09:19,139 --> 01:09:22,649
open source I don't trust it
must have some ulterior motive.

1063
01:09:22,679 --> 01:09:23,039
You know,

1064
01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:28,500
that was there's another version
of of that. And I wish to sound

1065
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:32,160
cool and have like some azimoff
book to refer to, but it's

1066
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:37,170
probably some shitty movie.
Where the trick is to get the

1067
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,450
inmates to build the prison
themselves.

1068
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:42,030
Oh, that's like public school.

1069
01:09:43,710 --> 01:09:48,780
In a way, in a way Yeah. And
then yeah, he just build

1070
01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:51,690
everything. Yeah, I mean, that's
a lot of what we're what I think

1071
01:09:51,690 --> 01:09:55,230
what society is kind of going
through and you know, freedom is

1072
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:00,360
in some, in some ways is almost
seen as man which you Talking

1073
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,760
about Willis. That's kind of
crazy. This freedom talk.

1074
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,370
That was ron paul's old old er.
And when he said, whenever you

1075
01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:11,940
see them building the border
wall is not to keep them out is

1076
01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:12,540
to keep you in.

1077
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:19,110
Yeah, exactly. Anyway, that's,
that's why I like that. That's a

1078
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:20,280
very exciting idea.

1079
01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:24,450
Yeah. So we'll we'll we'll,
we'll get there. I just want to

1080
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:27,720
Matt sort of pick his brain and
see what we need to do and map

1081
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:28,170
it out.

1082
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:33,480
You'll get anything. Um,

1083
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:38,100
let me just check. Eric, you got
anything? No, I've been neck

1084
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:42,840
deep and, oh, money laundering
rates. I saw something

1085
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,630
interesting. The end to end, I
guess, is getting close to

1086
01:10:46,890 --> 01:10:49,560
yours. something's working over
there. I think you retweeted it

1087
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,510
or you replied to his tweet.

1088
01:10:52,289 --> 01:10:57,869
Yeah. Paul, because it all just
just just Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He

1089
01:10:57,869 --> 01:11:01,709
had tweeted this morning that
they get Dave on boarded up a

1090
01:11:01,709 --> 01:11:03,539
podcaster. And

1091
01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:06,090
he's some doctor some doctor
guy.

1092
01:11:06,690 --> 01:11:12,150
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's like
a, you know, like a net, natural

1093
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,920
naturopath, Doctor type guy.

1094
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:18,419
Here's what was interesting.
Someone replied to that tweet.

1095
01:11:18,989 --> 01:11:21,839
This is like the gossip of the
lightning network. Let me see.

1096
01:11:21,899 --> 01:11:24,209
What is. What's his name?
Justin.

1097
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:31,260
rezvani. RSV, or is these Ayana?
Yeah, exactly.

1098
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,570
Oops. Let me see if I can find
this. Justin.

1099
01:11:44,610 --> 01:11:47,610
Why does this take so long now?
Anyway, the gist was someone

1100
01:11:47,610 --> 01:11:51,900
says, Wow, does Paul No, you did
this? And he replied all that

1101
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:55,890
and he replied, yeah, I brought
Paul on or something like that.

1102
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,080
That's why I want to get it.
Exactly. I don't want to

1103
01:11:58,110 --> 01:11:59,010
misstate it.

1104
01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:04,980
Yeah. Yeah. Paul. Paul is the
name of the doctor who's in his

1105
01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:09,360
on that podcast. Oh, okay. You
were thinking it was probably

1106
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,440
too late. Yes.

1107
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:15,480
I'm like, What? Oh, yeah. Oh,
okay. Good, good. Good. I was

1108
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:17,790
like, holy crap. Did I miss
something here? No.

1109
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,450
Yeah, because I thought the same
thing and then I'll realize that

1110
01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:24,660
Paul is like pulse or Dino or
something is the name of the

1111
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:25,260
podcast.

1112
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,270
Okay, good. Good. Good.

1113
01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:30,300
Did you read Roy's article
related?

1114
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,500
to a new one he had, he usually
sends me a signal message when

1115
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:35,640
he's done something like that.

1116
01:12:35,909 --> 01:12:38,879
Well, he released it, we'll see
it was on Bitcoin magazine is

1117
01:12:38,879 --> 01:12:40,289
called scaling lightning.

1118
01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:42,420
No, I haven't seen that.

1119
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:48,060
Very good article. He says, I'll
read it. I'll read a piece of it

1120
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:50,520
here. He says people keep
calling Bitcoin a Trojan horse

1121
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,000
to express the idea that it
invisibly contains things like

1122
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,030
freedom and sovereignty, that
surprise those who adopt it.

1123
01:12:57,420 --> 01:13:01,380
First, I'd like to suggest a new
metaphor. Bitcoin adoption, does

1124
01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:04,170
not bear invisible consequences.
But they're far more appealing

1125
01:13:04,170 --> 01:13:06,840
than a bunch of tired, sweaty,
grumpy Greek soldiers hiding in

1126
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,170
an elaborate piece of furniture.
Bitcoin is cake. And what's

1127
01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:13,620
inside is candy. In fact, there
are several different kinds of

1128
01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:16,080
candy inside beyond just sweet
sovereignty and delicious

1129
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,990
freedom. The only violence
ensuing from this metaphor is

1130
01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:22,410
the dentist's chair. So anyway,
very good article.

1131
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,620
I have now put that in the show
notes as well. Thanks. Good tip.

1132
01:13:26,730 --> 01:13:29,670
Roy, Roy, you usually you put me
in your list of people who are

1133
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:34,350
gonna tweet your stuff? And
we're like, no more love? No,

1134
01:13:34,350 --> 01:13:34,650
no, he

1135
01:13:34,650 --> 01:13:39,000
gave us some love here. He
hooked me up with the guy who

1136
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,080
really wants to help us on on
some Bitcoin tech stuff. So

1137
01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:46,050
cool. I'll tell you about that
later.

1138
01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:50,460
Oh, in the in the real board
meeting you me? In the board?

1139
01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:53,250
board meeting the real board
meeting?

1140
01:13:53,610 --> 01:13:56,820
Yeah, I would drop it right
after meeting.

1141
01:13:59,790 --> 01:14:02,520
So we thank some people. Do you
want to do some more namespace?

1142
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,700
Is there anything we're missing?
Oh, I know what we're missing?

1143
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,400
Well, I'll tell you what we do.
Thank you. So then we got to

1144
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,510
talk about the jitsi call the
dev developer call about

1145
01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:14,940
comments. That was very
interesting. I want to report

1146
01:14:14,940 --> 01:14:15,450
back.

1147
01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:22,560
Alright. Let's see. Oh, God had
an end up with this. Now, I've

1148
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,110
got an article in the middle of
my donation letter stack.

1149
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,050
Okay. And is it a good article?

1150
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:33,540
It is the article from submit
your podcast to the podcast

1151
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:42,810
index from Stephanie. Oh, forgot
her name. Chino. See, but I

1152
01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:46,740
will. Okay, I get on. I'm on
discombobulated now.

1153
01:14:46,770 --> 01:14:49,470
Well, this week recombined,
belated. For those of you who

1154
01:14:49,470 --> 01:14:53,430
are new, this entire project has
value for value. So there's no

1155
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:55,890
you probably figured out by now
there's no corporate money,

1156
01:14:55,950 --> 01:15:00,240
this. This is all based upon the
value that people put in their

1157
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,270
time, their talent and their
treasure. If you're not

1158
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:06,450
developing if you're, if you're
not promoting if you're not, if

1159
01:15:06,450 --> 01:15:09,930
you feel like you want to help
us then financially is always

1160
01:15:09,930 --> 01:15:14,580
welcome. We keep costs as low as
possible. That's part of the

1161
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:19,290
beauty of Dave Jones. He is the
stingiest man, what are we

1162
01:15:19,290 --> 01:15:21,060
running now? 450 a month

1163
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:27,840
for about 450 overall. Eric is
at least as stingy as I am.

1164
01:15:28,890 --> 01:15:32,970
We also fund our lightning
channels. So it's all in the

1165
01:15:32,970 --> 01:15:36,600
liquidity. It's all basically
locked up in Bitcoin on the

1166
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,240
channels, but we love receiving
your cup bucks as well. So if

1167
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,290
you want to help us out, go to
podcast index.org. Scroll to the

1168
01:15:43,290 --> 01:15:46,230
bottom, you'll see the big red
Donate button, click on that

1169
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,680
goes through PayPal. And of
course on the new site. I'm sure

1170
01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:55,080
it will have some other forms of
of payment possible, Eric?

1171
01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:58,710
Yep, yep. Yep, yep.

1172
01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:03,690
And we love thanking the people
who have sent us some support.

1173
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:10,140
One of those people was barren,
sir da Schlemmer gave us $5.

1174
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,460
Thank you very much.

1175
01:16:11,670 --> 01:16:14,070
He says thank you for your
courage and passion.

1176
01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:18,270
Yes. Passion we have.

1177
01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:29,190
Thank you, Baron. See who got
here. $73.73 73 7073 from Neil

1178
01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:33,390
Chapman. And Neil says, Great
job guys. Please keep it up.

1179
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:39,750
Dave. Are you a radio ham? I am.
Casey for an xa Oh, excuse me

1180
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:40,440
expired.

1181
01:16:40,710 --> 01:16:42,900
Key Oh, five alpha, Charlie,
Charlie.

1182
01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:46,920
If not, I think you should be an
honorary ham as you're helping

1183
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,470
to save the world to kebeles for
Eric Carlson.

1184
01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:51,390
Eric, do you have your ticket?

1185
01:16:52,530 --> 01:16:56,730
Not yet. I have the radio and
the guide. And it's just one of

1186
01:16:56,730 --> 01:16:57,570
those things that

1187
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,890
you know, you can you can walk
into that test that you read the

1188
01:17:01,890 --> 01:17:05,190
book, once, it's all the same
answers is just out of order.

1189
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:09,900
Multiple Choice is three of the
means, like, in fact that they

1190
01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:12,690
always say, Hey, you wanna take
your general and I almost made

1191
01:17:12,690 --> 01:17:15,000
it. No, I didn't know I could do
that I almost made the general

1192
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,000
just had to wait for the next
appointment. Same thing. Just

1193
01:17:18,030 --> 01:17:22,320
back in the day back when I took
my novice. Like, I've read the

1194
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,780
current book to recertify. I've
read it twice and still hadn't

1195
01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:29,490
taken the test. But the one I
took my novice back in this

1196
01:17:29,490 --> 01:17:34,950
would have been like 1989, or
90, I think, or Nanos, like 90

1197
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:41,010
or 91. The you, you had to pass
the Morse code requirement. So

1198
01:17:41,010 --> 01:17:45,270
the general was much harder,
because you had to be you had to

1199
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:46,770
do a faster word per minute.

1200
01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:50,999
It was a 12. I don't remember to
12 or 15.

1201
01:17:51,329 --> 01:17:55,169
I passed the novice pretty
easily. But the general was such

1202
01:17:55,169 --> 01:17:57,479
a step up, I knew I wasn't going
to be able to do it.

1203
01:17:57,570 --> 01:18:00,930
And that was always the that was
always the limiting factor. And

1204
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,630
that's kind of what I liked
about it. It's like yeah, cuz,

1205
01:18:03,630 --> 01:18:07,830
you know, it's still pretty easy
to answer the questions. But you

1206
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:11,940
had to sit down you had to, you
know, set up a Morse code

1207
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:15,930
testing rig or whatever. And you
had to learn and I kind of liked

1208
01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:16,800
that requirement.

1209
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:18,840
I liked it, too. We just got

1210
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:26,070
a bunch of nanny hams man. Can't
do no code. snowflakes nice. no

1211
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:32,190
fluff, no coding snowflake.
hammies Get off my lawn. That's

1212
01:18:32,190 --> 01:18:37,530
not true. In fact, the ham ham
community is desperate for

1213
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:40,650
younger people. desperate.
That's why all the digital the

1214
01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:43,680
digital stuff is cool man stuff.
They're doing digital.

1215
01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:47,220
They just call it packet right
packet radio.

1216
01:18:47,250 --> 01:18:53,580
Wow. Yeah, I mean, now it's
what's the well, you had j x 11

1217
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:56,880
we had the one that gosh, this
is how long I haven't haven't

1218
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,170
done it. Like almost three
years. That'd be low power, you

1219
01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:06,210
know, fi you know, like half a
watt 500 milliwatts bouncing off

1220
01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:11,370
to Japan and it reports back on
psfk reporter it's, it's crazy

1221
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:11,880
stuff.

1222
01:19:12,209 --> 01:19:15,119
gotta remember that first. I
remember the first time that we

1223
01:19:15,659 --> 01:19:20,669
made contact with somebody that
was really like truly far away.

1224
01:19:20,999 --> 01:19:25,889
Like, someplace in South
America. Oh, man, that is such a

1225
01:19:25,889 --> 01:19:29,009
thrill it I know that sounds
like the nerdiest, goofiest

1226
01:19:29,009 --> 01:19:32,039
thing to say. But it really is
thinking that, oh my god, I'm

1227
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:37,079
bouncing this signal off the
omnisphere maybe maybe 20 times

1228
01:19:37,109 --> 01:19:40,739
in order to land in a country
that's literally 6000 miles

1229
01:19:40,739 --> 01:19:45,119
away. And you're in and you're
doing it on, you know, four

1230
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:47,729
watts or whatever. It's pretty
insane.

1231
01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:54,810
The I was sent out five years
ago four years ago. I received

1232
01:19:54,840 --> 01:20:01,620
one of the first lightning
invoices. I think Was it FTA? I

1233
01:20:01,620 --> 01:20:06,390
think maybe, or jt 65 I think so
I just received a very short

1234
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:10,440
invoice code, which I could then
translate into into receiving

1235
01:20:10,770 --> 01:20:13,920
lightning into had a wallet
attached to it. And that was

1236
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,120
sent sent over, you know that
the low the low bandwidth or you

1237
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,570
know, the very, very narrow
bandwidth. I think that was jt

1238
01:20:21,570 --> 01:20:25,890
65 or ft eight. It's argued it's
arguable if that was the first

1239
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:29,850
Bitcoin transaction through ham
radio because it wasn't truly an

1240
01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:35,880
actual transaction. But Bitcoin
was passed off to me. That's a

1241
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:36,840
lot a lot of fun.

1242
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,490
Well, thank you appreciate those
70 threes. Yeah,

1243
01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:45,150
but hey, for those of you who
have not left us yet, the reason

1244
01:20:45,150 --> 01:20:49,890
why we why we the reason why
we're so insistent about this,

1245
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:56,160
is because we all know that when
the apocalypse comes, now here

1246
01:20:56,160 --> 01:21:01,050
we have ham radio, guys, ham
radio is the public service

1247
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:06,300
network of last resort when the
apocalypse comes where the guys

1248
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:08,610
who are going to save the world,
right.

1249
01:21:12,660 --> 01:21:17,790
Speaking of if James Cridland if
he's not a ham, then he's a

1250
01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:23,310
poser. He's an old school. I
mean, he's a radio guy. He if

1251
01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:27,090
he's not have a ham radio
license, then he needs to, he

1252
01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:33,030
needs to get out of here. Martin
Bruno gave us $10 he says thank

1253
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:36,270
you for setting up a podcast
directory for everybody. Thank

1254
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:45,750
you, Mark. Thank you. Let's see.
This is from Olga note here

1255
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:55,050
$10.66 in this says Hi Dave.
Greetings from construction zone

1256
01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:58,710
15 orbiting Austin, Texas.
Looking forward to what Eric and

1257
01:21:58,710 --> 01:22:01,050
y'all come up with for the mom
jeans experience.

1258
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,290
mom jeans, bastardization from
jeans Mom, I think this might

1259
01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:12,840
even be better. It might be the
mom jeans experience. Looking

1260
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:13,290
forward.

1261
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:17,340
Looking forward to Eric and
y'all come up with for the mom

1262
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:20,550
jeans experience. I'm fiddling
around with the cargo pants dad

1263
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:25,410
experience. At least here on the
edges as time allows. I'm not a

1264
01:22:25,410 --> 01:22:29,310
podcaster yet, but still dream
of building stuff from semi semi

1265
01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:33,030
scratch, including someday
perhaps a podcast. Nothing

1266
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:35,220
really is built from scratch Of
course, but on building blocks

1267
01:22:35,220 --> 01:22:38,310
that others have built and
maintain keep on keeping on.

1268
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:43,560
Mike knew Mike Newman pronounced
Newman not Norman. He says some

1269
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,770
super super stubborn German
ancestors who probably insisted

1270
01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:48,720
on keeping spelling and Ellis
Ellis Island.

1271
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:56,130
Well, you may you may not be a
podcaster. But you are D

1272
01:22:56,130 --> 01:22:57,990
fragmented, though nice.

1273
01:22:58,050 --> 01:23:06,360
It feels good. Yeah. See, this
is just a follow up from he did

1274
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:11,160
not give a name. He just calls
himself stick from a previous

1275
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,400
donation. So I thought this may
be the best way to reach out to

1276
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,490
Adam and Curry as Adam Curry at
podcast index and the whole

1277
01:23:17,490 --> 01:23:20,580
community. I was very refreshed
and excited about the topics

1278
01:23:20,580 --> 01:23:24,270
that Adam Curry talked about on
Joe Rogan. It is so reassuring

1279
01:23:24,270 --> 01:23:26,910
that there are communities out
here cutting through the crap

1280
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,970
and fighting for the free world.
I just wanted to say thank you

1281
01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:31,980
to all of you. God bless all
right, man.

1282
01:23:32,010 --> 01:23:34,710
We got one. We hooked one. We
got one.

1283
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,600
All right, one one's open to
this.

1284
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:39,060
Welcome, man. Welcome. Welcome
to the party.

1285
01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:42,150
This is our weekly donors. And
then we got some some

1286
01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:46,260
subscription guys that came in
this week. David made us $10

1287
01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:54,330
just maraca $5 Cameron Rose $25
Jeremy new $5 Greg Thomas $5.

1288
01:23:54,630 --> 01:24:01,350
Lauren ball $24.20 I wonder what
the numerology is on that pod

1289
01:24:01,350 --> 01:24:09,600
verse, LLC. $50. Oh, thank you.
Yeah, Brian for Brian $44.10

1290
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:15,210
Mitch Downey $10 and Chris
torbreck. Chuck to rubber duck

1291
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:18,630
$10. And that's it. Thank you
guys. Thank

1292
01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:22,200
you all very much. very much
appreciated. This is it's the

1293
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,340
fuel that keeps it going. But
it's, it's the note two. For me.

1294
01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:29,790
It's the notes of like, ah, I
love some of these notes. That's

1295
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:32,520
why donation segments are really
content.

1296
01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:35,850
I want to get some notes through
through the tip jar though.

1297
01:24:37,410 --> 01:24:40,710
Oh, yeah, but it's unfair. I
mean, how are you picking them

1298
01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:42,390
up? I haven't had any code.

1299
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,480
I'm gonna send I'm gonna send
you a look at the there's a

1300
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:47,700
picture in the clips that I sent
you.

1301
01:24:48,990 --> 01:24:51,930
Hold on a second. Look at what
it looks like. See how good I

1302
01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:57,450
am. Even though I knew you had a
picture, I did not look at it. I

1303
01:24:57,450 --> 01:24:57,600
knew

1304
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:02,070
you wouldn't look at it for
straight Since donations using

1305
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:13,770
the tip to V. Oh, a second. Yes.
Ah. That's what it looks like.

1306
01:25:15,299 --> 01:25:18,209
Tommy Chong is listening to our
show. Yeah.

1307
01:25:24,150 --> 01:25:26,850
You can't you can't see it.
Eric, I forgot to clip.

1308
01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:32,760
The T. Tip. Can I scream? Can I
put this in the show notes?

1309
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:39,750
Yeah. Good for. There's no. No
incriminating information in

1310
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:40,050
that

1311
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,080
mean server name is on there.
But I mean, I didn't help

1312
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:43,530
anybody.

1313
01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:52,260
Raise your server name. Pay Pal.
Oh, pipe. pipe, pal. Yeah, I

1314
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:52,830
pal.

1315
01:25:53,940 --> 01:25:55,380
podcast index, PayPal.

1316
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,870
Oh, okay. So you really have a
machine or at least a login on a

1317
01:26:00,870 --> 01:26:03,180
machine with that account just
for that stuff?

1318
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,890
Yeah, well, there's one. There's
one $5 linode that I'm used to

1319
01:26:07,890 --> 01:26:11,190
do nothing but node queries and
stuff like that to get all the

1320
01:26:11,190 --> 01:26:11,820
stats.

1321
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:17,580
Do we have any more shirts to
send out? Do we have a still

1322
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,660
good chunk of the first batch? I
mean, do we owe anyone a shirt?

1323
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:26,490
Yeah, there's a half dozen or so
going out next week. Oh, cool.

1324
01:26:26,580 --> 01:26:29,550
Cool. What are the parameters?
Again, getting one of these

1325
01:26:29,550 --> 01:26:31,950
nifty shirts Dave Jones since
it's your idea.

1326
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:33,960
$100 donation?

1327
01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:37,140
Oh, that's right. Total, right.
That's over total.

1328
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:46,170
Right. 100 $100 donation or just
a robust contribution to the

1329
01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:49,530
project? I mean, because you
know, we send out some shirts to

1330
01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:52,770
blow we're sending out one to
James Cridland this week or send

1331
01:26:52,770 --> 01:26:57,900
out one to Benjamin Bellamy. He
sent out a few hours gates ever

1332
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:01,770
sent out a few to people who are
just who have just done tons of

1333
01:27:01,770 --> 01:27:05,010
work on the product legacy
that's a backpack. Yeah, yeah.

1334
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,660
Back. Back Bay. Yeah. Hazard
pay. Yeah.

1335
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:12,570
Well, it was hazard pay. We'll
be sending leather motorcycle

1336
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:13,260
jackets.

1337
01:27:13,980 --> 01:27:15,000
though. I won't want to

1338
01:27:16,770 --> 01:27:21,000
Eric, we're not there. Yes. Slow
down. Slow down. Slow down.

1339
01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:24,240
Okay. Well, we have car while
we're at it.

1340
01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:25,710
St. Oprah.

1341
01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:34,710
Hey, yo, I am remiss I have not
yet talked to you Dave about the

1342
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,860
podcast movement and if we're
going to stay in a hotel or

1343
01:27:37,860 --> 01:27:41,040
Airbnb and I just want to talk
about the podcast movement in

1344
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:41,610
general.

1345
01:27:43,530 --> 01:27:46,290
Yes, Melissa is coming with me.
She's just going to use it as a

1346
01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:48,960
personal vacation for herself.
So we'll just get our get our

1347
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,700
own thing and you can get your
own thing.

1348
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:58,470
What here's the thing. It falls
right on show day. Oh, to show

1349
01:27:58,470 --> 01:28:02,970
days In fact, I think okay,
isn't it our show and no agenda?

1350
01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:05,760
Thursday and Friday?

1351
01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:06,810
Yeah.

1352
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:12,900
And you know, and I'm just like,
Oh, man. Now that's not to say

1353
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:20,430
that that I don't know. I got
sour about the the Mark Cuban

1354
01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:23,160
thing and then I'm just thinking
Ben Jimmy Bellamy Benjamin

1355
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,380
Bellamy is going to be
presenting I have no idea how

1356
01:28:25,380 --> 01:28:28,770
many people be in person I think
quite a bit actually. But I'm

1357
01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:34,860
not sure I'm not 100% Sure. It's
just it's a lot it's a lot of

1358
01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:36,240
disruption for me.

1359
01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:38,820
Because Because I guy just go by
myself.

1360
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:44,250
Yeah, but I feel bad because it
was gonna be you know, just the

1361
01:28:44,250 --> 01:28:48,270
two of us. We can make it if we
are no Melissa was gonna be

1362
01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:48,660
there too.

1363
01:28:49,140 --> 01:28:51,600
Yeah, let's just go out there
and I thought you said Tina was

1364
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:52,530
gonna get it as well too.

1365
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,340
Well, and so what I was thinking
was I wanted to tie a no agenda

1366
01:28:56,340 --> 01:29:00,360
meetup to it and then like,
well, it really should be my

1367
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:06,150
head is just hurting. I moved.
My head is hurting. I'm old now.

1368
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:09,360
like holy crap that this I just
built everything got to

1369
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,500
dismantle this thing, do two
shows and you know hang out with

1370
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:17,400
people and schmooze around and
and Mark Cuban is just there

1371
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,140
that's really what tipped me
over the edge quite honestly.

1372
01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:24,120
It's like Cubans there.

1373
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,440
Yeah, it's that's it's gonna be
a hard one for you.

1374
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:31,170
Because you guys are driving or
flying is it's a drive

1375
01:29:31,170 --> 01:29:33,240
for you. That was like two hours
away.

1376
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,990
Is he that's Nashville, the hops
the jump from Ryan, right?

1377
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:43,110
I mean, it's not a big deal. And
Melissa was named some time away

1378
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:45,540
to get prepped before school
starts anyway. So we're like,

1379
01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:48,750
let's just make a big deal out
of it. And then but I can go

1380
01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:52,710
this about myself. You know, I'm
just going to mean to be shaking

1381
01:29:52,710 --> 01:29:54,660
hands, drinking beers with
people and getting to know

1382
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:55,650
people so but

1383
01:29:55,710 --> 01:29:57,780
are you okay with wearing the
pickle suit though?

1384
01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:03,540
This week. needed just not aware
of this requirement. If

1385
01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:05,910
you don't know about the podcast
pickle guy that's Gary.

1386
01:30:07,410 --> 01:30:08,730
I've not been

1387
01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:12,300
to WAV and the first the first
pod one, I think one of the

1388
01:30:12,300 --> 01:30:18,120
first podcast conferences he had
I don't even know what his

1389
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,910
business what he has a million
businesses. And he was the

1390
01:30:20,910 --> 01:30:23,760
podcast pickle and he and he
would have a guy in a pickle

1391
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,570
suit. Hold on a second. I gotta
get the history of this. This is

1392
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:32,040
this is like the ghost
podcasting. Oh, man. Well, he

1393
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,070
made quite a career out of the
podcast pickle somehow

1394
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:38,460
like the naked cowboy that sings
and plays music in New York. And

1395
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:39,450
then no, here

1396
01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:44,190
we go podcast pickle. launched
in March 2005. Big Gary Leland

1397
01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:47,520
I'm reading from Wikipedia was
both a podcast videocast

1398
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,910
directory and community, Time
magazine directory, and

1399
01:30:50,910 --> 01:30:55,230
community. Well, we needed
directory so that was good. I

1400
01:30:55,230 --> 01:30:59,160
mean, I was never really in the
directory business. I didn't

1401
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,430
even see the value of it because
I associated directory with a

1402
01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:08,070
pickle. Time magazine listed it
as one of its 50 coolest sites

1403
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:12,750
in August 2006. More than 12,000
podcasts and vodcasts appeared

1404
01:31:12,750 --> 01:31:16,770
on the site as of March 2007.
podcast picco provide podcast

1405
01:31:16,770 --> 01:31:22,410
family family tree listings,
podcast family tree listings,

1406
01:31:22,890 --> 01:31:27,150
podcast players, podcast family
tree, I don't know.

1407
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:31,590
Like I was on a podcast. And
then I went and started my own

1408
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:34,410
podcast. I mean, we have a
family tree.

1409
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,980
Well, it could be very much like
the guest or the person tag. Who

1410
01:31:37,980 --> 01:31:43,710
knows. podcast players that work
on external sites, blogs,

1411
01:31:43,710 --> 01:31:47,340
profiles and community forums.
The site was the site was shut

1412
01:31:47,340 --> 01:31:56,340
down in 2015. Late Yeah, but so
he and I'm not even sure if he

1413
01:31:56,340 --> 01:31:59,400
made money, how he made money.
But he was just such a

1414
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:03,030
delightful guy. And he just
could not help but love someone

1415
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:06,330
who had a guy with a picker
walking around. It was just

1416
01:32:06,330 --> 01:32:10,020
beautiful. It was you know, it's
just one of those. Yeah, one of

1417
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:11,490
those things, one of those
people,

1418
01:32:11,940 --> 01:32:14,550
I will commit myself to a
podcasting tip on a T shirt.

1419
01:32:14,610 --> 01:32:16,260
Yes. As far as I'm going. Okay.

1420
01:32:16,350 --> 01:32:17,910
All right. How about Melissa?

1421
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:26,370
That's a hard pass. Yes, no, I
could not drive her and drag her

1422
01:32:26,370 --> 01:32:28,770
kicking and screaming to a
podcast conference, even if I

1423
01:32:28,770 --> 01:32:32,100
wanted to do she will be doing
her own thing. And I will be

1424
01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:34,200
going to meet with podcast
nerds.

1425
01:32:35,940 --> 01:32:38,250
Now, we are eventually going to
have to do some actual

1426
01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:40,950
marketing. But I think that the
timing is just not right for us

1427
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:45,180
right now. Once the site is up
once we've got that going. But I

1428
01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:47,940
think we have, you know, just
through word of mouth, we're

1429
01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:50,550
getting some people interested
and stuff is happening. Dave, I

1430
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:53,790
know you're pushing real hard on
the hosting side. You talk to a

1431
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:57,420
lot of people. And Eric is sadly
Eric is just going to have to be

1432
01:32:57,420 --> 01:33:01,710
the one that builds it all. At
least that part. Yeah. I'm

1433
01:33:01,710 --> 01:33:07,380
juggling the contracts and the
code. Briefly, we we had you

1434
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:09,720
Eric was on the call. We are on
the call Dave, the developer

1435
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:14,310
call the video call. He was very
interested in the majority of it

1436
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:17,250
was about well, first of all, I
still don't have a cost of pod

1437
01:33:17,250 --> 01:33:18,870
install. Surprise, surprise.

1438
01:33:18,900 --> 01:33:20,670
We've got one. I know

1439
01:33:20,670 --> 01:33:28,890
I can't get it to work. It's the
it was about cross comments. And

1440
01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:32,820
it it I think it got to a pretty
good place. And I don't want to

1441
01:33:32,820 --> 01:33:36,510
say what any conclusions are.
But it seems like there was a

1442
01:33:36,510 --> 01:33:43,140
lot of consensus for a reference
implementation of activity pub

1443
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:49,380
with the special mastodon bit so
it would be compatible a lot of

1444
01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:52,410
this based on a presentation
that was given to us by a scene

1445
01:33:52,410 --> 01:33:57,900
from cast apod cast to bud. I
love how they say custom pod.

1446
01:34:00,330 --> 01:34:02,730
Eric, did I represent that
correctly?

1447
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,990
Yeah, it seemed like they have a
there's a, I think a workable

1448
01:34:06,990 --> 01:34:11,160
path towards getting this this
kind of non centralized

1449
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,120
commenting, is it's interesting.
I mean, I came in a little late

1450
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,190
on the call, but well, and
here's

1451
01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:20,310
I think we're beyond the point
of moderation. We're now down to

1452
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:23,670
the point of, we're still
figuring there's like a less

1453
01:34:23,670 --> 01:34:27,000
decentralized way of how the
root node is created. So that

1454
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:30,150
you know the Someone has to
someone has to be a part of it,

1455
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:36,000
to start it. And that could be
on a per app basis. Really the

1456
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,320
push would be for hosting
companies to do it. Which would

1457
01:34:40,590 --> 01:34:44,910
not necessarily be a heavy lift,
but I cautious in saying that.

1458
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,710
Dan Benjamin will do it. He'll
do anything

1459
01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:57,330
like the Mikey, the Mikey of
podcasts, anything. What was the

1460
01:34:57,330 --> 01:34:58,470
beauty of it? Nobody

1461
01:34:58,470 --> 01:35:00,690
younger than 40 100 and gets
that right. Reference at all?

1462
01:35:01,380 --> 01:35:07,170
It probably Yeah. 40 or older
actually. And that was the there

1463
01:35:07,170 --> 01:35:10,830
was another extra. Oh, yeah.
That I think we came down to as

1464
01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:16,230
well, as long as podcasters can
opt out, or Yeah, opt out. I

1465
01:35:16,230 --> 01:35:20,850
said, Yeah, I think that's what
the way it was discussed. As an

1466
01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:26,550
okay, I don't want my comments,
then. I think there's a path,

1467
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:27,870
there's multiple paths.

1468
01:35:28,380 --> 01:35:30,240
So that opt out would be a tag.

1469
01:35:30,570 --> 01:35:33,900
That's the Yeah. But there's,
you know, there's some other

1470
01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:37,680
things that have to be looked
at. And, you know, it always

1471
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,430
comes down to source of truth
and can't get into the feed. And

1472
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:44,100
that's the bottom line. And all
the hacks we're making are

1473
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:49,980
really, because hosting
companies don't jump to when we

1474
01:35:49,980 --> 01:35:53,850
say they should jump. I say hey,
put this tag in your hosting

1475
01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:56,760
company. They'll go su Adam
Curry.

1476
01:35:59,340 --> 01:36:02,220
Yeah, and that or they say, I
don't give a flying f about

1477
01:36:02,220 --> 01:36:05,460
podcasting. index.org like,
certainly, no, that's the

1478
01:36:05,460 --> 01:36:06,780
journalist response. I'm sorry.

1479
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:15,450
I'd love to Oh, hold on a
second. Here's your cute uh,

1480
01:36:15,450 --> 01:36:21,750
booth. You know, I know you want
to boost everybody. Bring it on.

1481
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:28,950
I would like to play Rogen civil
disagreement. Oh,

1482
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:33,450
okay. Here we go. Ping that does
give me Hold on let me just jack

1483
01:36:33,450 --> 01:36:35,880
up the volume of it. Really.
Just some of your clips are

1484
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:36,960
really low day.

1485
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:40,170
I usually amplify them but but I
wasn't in a

1486
01:36:40,170 --> 01:36:42,690
hurry this we thought I screw it
just leave it up to curry.

1487
01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:45,900
Yeah, it's like when you're
drywall in a room and a huge gap

1488
01:36:45,900 --> 01:36:48,780
that looks terribly like the guy
that she rubbed my guys and get

1489
01:36:48,780 --> 01:36:48,840
it.

1490
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:55,230
Done. There we go. thing that
does give me hope about

1491
01:36:55,260 --> 01:37:00,510
podcasting is that podcast this
podcast, yours many others. But

1492
01:37:00,510 --> 01:37:03,780
you can have people of differing
political persuasions,

1493
01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:06,840
absolutely have conversations
and be civil with each other.

1494
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:11,280
Yeah, I've had people on this
podcast that I fuckin violently

1495
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,330
disagree with. Sure.

1496
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:17,160
And I agree with me today even
on things. I think he was

1497
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:18,870
actually referring to me in the
first bit.

1498
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:22,350
I just thought that was I
thought that was true. And we've

1499
01:37:22,350 --> 01:37:26,430
touched on it before, like,
there's all kinds of everybody

1500
01:37:26,430 --> 01:37:30,540
can. The beautiful thing about
about open source about tech is

1501
01:37:30,540 --> 01:37:36,120
that everybody can can get angry
and ticked off and have their

1502
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,220
own personal political
viewpoints and that kind of

1503
01:37:38,220 --> 01:37:44,010
thing. But when you if you can
agree on a standard on a spec,

1504
01:37:44,730 --> 01:37:48,330
it eliminates all that stuff.
None of that other stuff

1505
01:37:48,330 --> 01:37:52,560
matters. It all becomes
ancillary. All that matters is

1506
01:37:52,740 --> 01:37:56,760
the goal and the project. And I
think that's one one thing

1507
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:01,350
that's beautiful that alessian
about the developer meetings and

1508
01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:04,320
me you get on those on those JC
calls, and nobody even knows

1509
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,220
what the other person's politics
are. It's about the shared the

1510
01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:10,980
shared vision and the goal. I
just think it's beautiful.

1511
01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:16,650
Um, there's a parallel here with
a difference. And what I

1512
01:38:16,650 --> 01:38:22,140
witnessed in the early days, and
I was much better i was i was in

1513
01:38:22,140 --> 01:38:25,410
contact with Dave Weiner on a
regular basis much more involved

1514
01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:31,110
in his orbit. Certainly with
even before podcasting with RSS,

1515
01:38:31,140 --> 01:38:35,670
the whole creation of the what
became, was it Oh, point nine

1516
01:38:35,670 --> 01:38:41,190
and then you know, jumped to
ready to jump to 2.0 RSS 2.0. I

1517
01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:41,880
can't remember.

1518
01:38:42,089 --> 01:38:45,929
There was a 1.0. That was like
an it was that was some RDF.

1519
01:38:45,959 --> 01:38:48,779
Yeah, that was already else. And
he did Oh, point nine oh, point.

1520
01:38:48,779 --> 01:38:53,819
912, I think. But I just saw
there was so much vitriol, and I

1521
01:38:53,819 --> 01:38:58,019
was on his side. And you know,
Dave Winer, a bit too. I mean,

1522
01:38:58,169 --> 01:39:01,949
he, for my, I felt he could be
very vicious. And the whole I

1523
01:39:01,949 --> 01:39:05,579
was like, wow, this is really
quite, everyone's kind of out to

1524
01:39:05,579 --> 01:39:10,199
screw each other and is poking
the bear. And I saw like him, as

1525
01:39:10,199 --> 01:39:14,489
I'm doing scammy comments on
each other's message boards

1526
01:39:14,489 --> 01:39:18,749
under pseudonyms and comments
being deleted, and watch what

1527
01:39:18,749 --> 01:39:22,139
he's gonna do. And that was
very, I'm not saying that's Dave

1528
01:39:22,139 --> 01:39:26,249
Weiner today. I think he was
still kind of wrapped up in the

1529
01:39:26,249 --> 01:39:29,939
Silicon Valley game, which maybe
many people are maybe, you know,

1530
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:34,079
I don't know if it's necessarily
part of that. But it does come

1531
01:39:34,079 --> 01:39:38,069
down to money to some degree.
And, and that's what I

1532
01:39:38,459 --> 01:39:41,969
philosophically, I really like
the lightning part of this

1533
01:39:41,969 --> 01:39:46,619
project, because it makes
everybody equal, you know,

1534
01:39:46,649 --> 01:39:49,799
there's no other money coming in
really, you know, the money for

1535
01:39:49,799 --> 01:39:52,319
everybody. There's this pool,
and we said that upfront and you

1536
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:55,469
know, here's what we're trying
to do, you know, stabilize this,

1537
01:39:55,469 --> 01:40:00,689
preserve it, and then here's how
we can make money and Somehow

1538
01:40:00,689 --> 01:40:03,329
that equalizes everything
because no one controls the

1539
01:40:03,329 --> 01:40:07,469
money. There's no investor. I
think it's some kind of it is an

1540
01:40:07,469 --> 01:40:12,599
added beauty to the system. I am
I crazy thinking this? Am I just

1541
01:40:13,139 --> 01:40:13,589
what?

1542
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,030
They've, they want to call me a
republican one time and I think

1543
01:40:18,030 --> 01:40:20,430
that's the last time I ever
spoke to and guess how

1544
01:40:20,430 --> 01:40:22,200
insulting Well yeah, no

1545
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:29,130
Well, yeah so but I was thinking
you know over time have come to

1546
01:40:29,130 --> 01:40:34,470
sympathize in and he kicked me
off multiple projects of his of

1547
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:41,610
but over time I think that I've
come to understand him a little

1548
01:40:41,610 --> 01:40:46,440
bit maybe better. And not that
not that I necessarily agree

1549
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:51,960
with some of the things that he
did. But I do sort of like a

1550
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:56,580
Richard Stallman type deal. I
think he's an easy person to

1551
01:40:56,580 --> 01:41:01,980
vilify. Because he does, he does
not sugarcoat anything that he

1552
01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:05,580
says, Yeah, anything at all. And
anytime that you deal with a

1553
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:08,820
person like that, it's hard.
Because you got him

1554
01:41:08,820 --> 01:41:11,430
You got him kicked out of MIT
for just being completely

1555
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:12,180
honest.

1556
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:15,300
Yeah. And it doesn't like being
honest, doesn't mean you're

1557
01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:17,400
right. It just means you're
honest. And you know what you're

1558
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,130
going to get. And that's, you're
going to have to expect that if

1559
01:41:20,130 --> 01:41:21,690
you're going to deal with
somebody like that, you're going

1560
01:41:21,690 --> 01:41:24,930
to have to have extremely thick
skin. But I guess,

1561
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,250
I guess without focusing on, on
those individuals, it felt the

1562
01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:34,050
same to me everywhere, you know,
with whoever was playing in the

1563
01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:39,120
game. In fact, there were
several developers who were

1564
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:44,130
creating pod catchers as we
categorize them. And I felt they

1565
01:41:44,130 --> 01:41:46,200
got a little diminished
somewhere along the line,

1566
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,140
because other bigger it was
just, it was a weird thing.

1567
01:41:49,140 --> 01:41:53,100
There was money in it, maybe,
but money that was perhaps vast.

1568
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:57,570
And then this is before I
started pod show. This was all

1569
01:41:57,570 --> 01:42:00,660
still at the base level. And
that was in those days, it was

1570
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:04,320
an interrupt and these types of
cross communications. I mean,

1571
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:08,610
they were, what else were they
doing? Of course, the ATM the

1572
01:42:08,610 --> 01:42:13,440
ATM fee, you know, was a con was
competition, I think that was

1573
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:17,880
mainly funded by Microsoft. And
that was competing with RSS, it

1574
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:21,150
was just a whole bunch of weird
stuff that has an analogy here.

1575
01:42:21,150 --> 01:42:25,920
But I just feel that the money
but the Bitcoin value part makes

1576
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,770
the difference in this project
versus 18 years ago.

1577
01:42:29,550 --> 01:42:31,650
Everybody, I think everybody
understands, I think I

1578
01:42:31,650 --> 01:42:33,750
understand what you're saying.
Now everybody understands,

1579
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:37,380
probably, if not immediately,
but quickly thereafter that

1580
01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:42,210
you're if you want to get in
that game, you have to

1581
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:44,310
cooperate. Yeah, interrupt.
Exactly.

1582
01:42:45,060 --> 01:42:48,060
That's the way that that's the
way you get to the goal of

1583
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,720
making either making money or
being sustainable with your

1584
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,850
project, is you have to enter on
that

1585
01:42:53,850 --> 01:42:57,390
stick. So in my mind, I can
remember Dave Weiner talking to

1586
01:42:57,390 --> 01:42:59,220
someone else saying, you know,
those guys are gonna they say

1587
01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:02,400
that I'm going to interrupt with
them. And I didn't know if that

1588
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,040
was a good or bad thing the way
it was said, but it wasn't a

1589
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,920
big, big, big deal. And now it's
like that we know, that's the

1590
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,630
only way to go in Iraq or die.

1591
01:43:10,350 --> 01:43:16,110
Yeah, you're either that's the
way that you make yourself

1592
01:43:16,170 --> 01:43:20,340
successful is through interrupt,
and in the, in the past, when

1593
01:43:20,340 --> 01:43:24,000
projects are just ideal when
they're just based on idealism.

1594
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:27,990
Like, that's what makes
something different than that

1595
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:30,960
old comic, that's like, okay, we
have 11 standards. And now you

1596
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:34,380
propose a new standard. Now you
got 12 standards like that.

1597
01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:41,040
That's the difference between
this and that, is that by in by

1598
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:45,540
interrupt interrupting with with
Bitcoin with lightning, you

1599
01:43:45,570 --> 01:43:48,570
that's how you define success,
because that's how you make your

1600
01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:52,290
project make money and be
sustainable. Whereas otherwise,

1601
01:43:52,290 --> 01:43:56,370
if it's just pure idealism,
well, then your ideal is known

1602
01:43:56,700 --> 01:43:59,910
as on his merit may not be any
better than anybody else's

1603
01:43:59,910 --> 01:44:03,450
ideal. And you're just arguing
about, you know, you're just

1604
01:44:03,450 --> 01:44:07,800
arguing about your vision. Well,
I mean, well, if they but in

1605
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,190
this at the end of the day, your
vision doesn't matter. If it

1606
01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:13,140
doesn't work with the system,
then you're not gonna make any

1607
01:44:13,140 --> 01:44:17,190
money in the person who's gonna
make money their visions gonna

1608
01:44:17,190 --> 01:44:21,330
win because they're going to be
successful. So that I mean, I

1609
01:44:21,330 --> 01:44:25,380
think you're right, I think the
the financial interrup really

1610
01:44:25,380 --> 01:44:28,140
does drive the whole system
financial interop

1611
01:44:28,140 --> 01:44:32,370
I love that. That's, that's the
good guys version of d phi.

1612
01:44:35,190 --> 01:44:40,020
We're calling it fin ops.
synapse, synapse. Oh, synapse.

1613
01:44:40,020 --> 01:44:45,900
Yes. And it's I like that and my
recommendation is anyone and

1614
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:50,430
literally everyone can get on
the wheel of satoshis. Because

1615
01:44:50,430 --> 01:44:54,630
when you have a wallet, and you
just see one Satoshi a minute

1616
01:44:54,630 --> 01:44:58,440
coming through, sometimes three
oh boost, there's a couple 100

1617
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,310
if you're in That's for
everybody. I mean, everybody

1618
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:09,570
competes on service and quality
and experience and the money

1619
01:45:09,570 --> 01:45:14,700
flows. And whether you're an app
developer hosting company,

1620
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:20,550
podcast, or a podcast guest
musician, you can get on the

1621
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:25,020
wheat, the spinning wheel of
satoshis. And it's spinning

1622
01:45:25,020 --> 01:45:29,220
already. The only thing I
believe physics will show is

1623
01:45:29,220 --> 01:45:33,120
that it's going to spin faster.
And there will be more on it,

1624
01:45:33,630 --> 01:45:36,900
then yeah, as we grow, I mean,
we've we should do the numbers

1625
01:45:36,930 --> 01:45:40,440
of our how many how many
podcasts now? value for value

1626
01:45:40,440 --> 01:45:43,200
enabled? 262. Oh,

1627
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:47,790
it's a lot. Yeah. It's way over
200? Yeah, it's a lot and

1628
01:45:47,790 --> 01:45:48,720
they're in we're getting

1629
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,810
next time you come to the board.
I expect you to have your charts

1630
01:45:51,810 --> 01:45:52,920
in order, Mr. Jones.

1631
01:45:53,070 --> 01:45:57,690
Now print out my TPS report.
Doesn't need a cover sheet.

1632
01:45:57,990 --> 01:46:01,290
I bet you if I ask Eric. He
knows the number. Probably.

1633
01:46:02,340 --> 01:46:06,600
Eric, how many of you enable
podcasts? I think it was 273.

1634
01:46:07,230 --> 01:46:13,230
Okay. It was pretty high. So
again, some big getting some big

1635
01:46:13,230 --> 01:46:17,550
podcast to not you know, and
getting some some larger

1636
01:46:17,550 --> 01:46:20,970
audience podcast like the
survival podcast. I've been

1637
01:46:20,970 --> 01:46:23,430
listening to that show for ever.

1638
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:24,720
No, I've never heard of this.

1639
01:46:25,260 --> 01:46:30,120
Oh, yeah. It's this guy, jack
spear co started. Man, this

1640
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,690
podcast has been going on, it's
got to be over 10 years.

1641
01:46:34,230 --> 01:46:38,070
Minimum. He started by just
recording himself on the way to

1642
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:42,900
work and his day job every
single day, for four years,

1643
01:46:42,990 --> 01:46:46,710
until he built up enough
audience to, you know, to do

1644
01:46:46,710 --> 01:46:48,600
something more professional. But

1645
01:46:48,900 --> 01:46:50,070
what's it called again?

1646
01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:54,930
The survival podcast that he
signed up a couple days ago. And

1647
01:46:54,930 --> 01:47:00,870
I was like, bingo. Perfect. How
did you find initially? I don't

1648
01:47:00,870 --> 01:47:05,790
remember. I don't remember it
was these he started it right

1649
01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:10,980
around the time of the 2008
financial crisis. So that would

1650
01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:12,420
be what 13 years.

1651
01:47:12,750 --> 01:47:14,820
So this and this is during his
commute.

1652
01:47:15,390 --> 01:47:18,750
Yeah. And he was living in Texas
and I think he eventually moved

1653
01:47:18,750 --> 01:47:23,160
to Arkansas. But he was like a
some kind of SEO web marketing

1654
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:26,700
guy think if I'm not mistaken,
so he has an hour and 20 minute

1655
01:47:26,700 --> 01:47:32,550
commute. I think it was it was
pretty long, but I don't know if

1656
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:34,890
it's led to how long his
episodes were back then.

1657
01:47:35,490 --> 01:47:38,340
I'm just gonna boost them right
now. Just we talked about

1658
01:47:38,850 --> 01:47:44,040
getting done. Yeah. Good default
1000 SATs. Wow, man.

1659
01:47:46,860 --> 01:47:47,730
That's in the tip.

1660
01:47:49,410 --> 01:47:53,250
Oh, shoot. I should. I should
let me do it. Let me just a tip

1661
01:47:53,250 --> 01:47:56,910
jar. I'm doing it live. Of
course we're doing it live and

1662
01:47:56,910 --> 01:48:01,320
I'm gonna send it to the
podcaster and I'm going to say

1663
01:48:04,410 --> 01:48:12,450
from the PC 2.0 gang. Hey, now
all right. Send out cool. It

1664
01:48:12,450 --> 01:48:17,310
gives me like gray confetti.
sprays when you do

1665
01:48:20,130 --> 01:48:24,840
excellent All right, we got
anything else?

1666
01:48:25,110 --> 01:48:37,560
I don't know. I think we're
good. Derek I'm not yet sure

1667
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:41,070
what that means did I guess what
I was saying is Do you have

1668
01:48:41,070 --> 01:48:45,690
anything else before we go? No.
Dave,

1669
01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:52,080
I'm doing round two on the dried
green beans. give those a shot

1670
01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:54,270
since I paid so much for mine
and get my money's worth

1671
01:48:54,330 --> 01:48:55,470
excellent call back.

1672
01:48:55,500 --> 01:49:00,060
You are such a radio guy. Can I
ask what is this? I haven't

1673
01:49:00,060 --> 01:49:07,170
opened it xe of my favorite pod
talkers dot png What is that?

1674
01:49:07,470 --> 01:49:10,350
I want you to open that and look
at it. Okay,

1675
01:49:11,310 --> 01:49:21,750
hold on a second. Zoom in. Okay.
This is a picture of the pivot

1676
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:25,950
podcast with Kara Swisher and
Scott Galloway as my hate my

1677
01:49:25,950 --> 01:49:30,120
hate listen. Yeah. And it's just
from Mark Spencer heart in throw

1678
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,690
two of my favorite pod talkers
Kara Swisher and prof Galloway

1679
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:35,700
answered a question I'd sent to
pivot.

1680
01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:39,780
Okay, that you might like this.
Get all your favorite people in

1681
01:49:39,780 --> 01:49:39,930
it.

1682
01:49:40,350 --> 01:49:43,560
Oh, my goodness. Is that the I
couldn't give an F about

1683
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:51,690
podcasting. 2.0 No. He's got the
same look. Yeah. All right,

1684
01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,350
thanks. I will not i'm not going
to put that in the show notes.

1685
01:49:55,350 --> 01:50:00,000
No, no, no. That's no good.
Alright guys. Well, holy crap.

1686
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,690
Have a great weekend. It's been
very even long today. I can't

1687
01:50:03,690 --> 01:50:07,050
believe it. Martin Martin's
gonna be up until 3am listening

1688
01:50:07,050 --> 01:50:15,690
to us. Take care guys. We'll be
back next Friday with another

1689
01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:19,350
edition of podcasting 2.0 the
board meeting open source and

1690
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:37,980
good to go see you then. You
have been listening to

1691
01:50:38,010 --> 01:50:43,770
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1692
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