1 00:00:01,199 --> 00:00:04,949 2.0 for April 30 2021, Episode 35. 2 00:00:05,970 --> 00:00:10,410 And yes, 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,540 just like hip hop or sometimes they come to me from Hello, 4 00:00:15,540 --> 00:00:18,390 everybody, it's Friday once again time for the board meaning 5 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:24,240 of podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org it's the best time of 6 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:24,630 the week. 7 00:00:25,890 --> 00:00:28,950 And the board room and board meeting is officially open. I'm 8 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:31,770 out of curry here in Austin, Texas in Alabama, the man who 9 00:00:32,370 --> 00:00:35,130 more fields than any human being, ladies and gentlemen, 10 00:00:39,090 --> 00:00:39,930 critical word. 11 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:42,720 dupe is the word. 12 00:00:43,050 --> 00:00:47,520 Yes, you probably need to triple gate is because I've dropped all 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,290 my crap on the floor right there in your interest. 14 00:00:51,390 --> 00:00:55,890 It has been, it has been a week of microphone rows all around 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,400 which, you know, when it rains, it pours same within, you know, 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,310 with software development, you know, you fix the bug 10 more 17 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:07,530 pop up. And so we fix some of Dave issue. I gotta tell you 18 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:09,630 about my microphone issue, though, right off the bat, 19 00:01:09,630 --> 00:01:15,420 because you'll appreciate this. You know, I had a microphone 20 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:17,820 break about a week ago. And also if 21 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:19,800 you're on the hurry through 20, you get the same one I got 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:19,980 Right, 23 00:01:20,010 --> 00:01:25,680 right. So I had the ra 320. That electro electro voice. And about 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,050 a week ago, all of a sudden it develops this buzz midway 25 00:01:28,050 --> 00:01:33,060 through new no agenda and john and i spend half an hour trying 26 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:35,130 to figure out where it's coming from. I mean, I'm pulling 27 00:01:35,130 --> 00:01:38,700 cables, I'm doing everything I can, we can't figure it out. I 28 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:43,890 wind up throwing a procaster mic on there, which you know, just 29 00:01:43,890 --> 00:01:46,170 didn't quite You know, this is a whole different microphones we 30 00:01:46,170 --> 00:01:52,890 finished the show Fine. Then I had then I bought a new 320 and 31 00:01:52,890 --> 00:01:57,090 it worked fine. And then I was doing mo fax on Saturday and and 32 00:01:57,090 --> 00:02:02,010 the bus popped in again. And now like holy crap, so now I'm 33 00:02:02,010 --> 00:02:05,280 trying to and I'm tying my ears and what they used to be aware 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,010 hearing aids This is the most frustrating part is I can't 35 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:10,590 really you know, if I'm listening through headphones, 36 00:02:10,590 --> 00:02:13,260 it's hard for me to determine I just I'm losing my ears, you 37 00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:15,690 know, not my hearing. I'm losing that too. But also my ears. 38 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:18,570 Which is a sad 39 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:22,260 audio guy. Hmm. Like high pitch do you do you have hard time 40 00:02:22,260 --> 00:02:23,220 with high frequencies now? 41 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:26,580 Oh, it's all high frequencies is gone is Oh, shit. Yeah, that's 42 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:29,100 all gone. So that's, that's what I need to crank up but have to 43 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:32,430 be careful because what I think may sound good. And that's what 44 00:02:32,430 --> 00:02:35,250 happened with no agenda yesterday after I also 45 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:38,190 accidentally ran it through a processor the second time, so I 46 00:02:38,190 --> 00:02:42,630 sounded like I was I had a metal straw up my butt. And that's 47 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:47,010 what I was talking through everything. And then of course, 48 00:02:47,070 --> 00:02:50,850 people email me like, hey, sounds like shit. Thanks, man. 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,910 Twitter everywhere. Hey, just so you know, man, what's going on? 50 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:57,570 Did you forget to put some treble in or too much. So and I 51 00:02:57,570 --> 00:03:00,030 appreciate it because everyone knows how much I care about the 52 00:03:00,030 --> 00:03:02,250 sound but so like, 53 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:03,570 I have two mics now 54 00:03:03,570 --> 00:03:06,180 that have broken with this buzzer until now. And last 55 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:08,880 night. I'm reading through these Twitter posts. And I'm just I 56 00:03:09,150 --> 00:03:12,060 almost wanted to come up here and you know, and rip everything 57 00:03:12,060 --> 00:03:14,160 apart. And let's and I'm gonna sleep on it. And I wake up this 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,730 morning. And I think and I said Tina, hold on a second. The 59 00:03:17,730 --> 00:03:21,630 studio is above the kitchen. No, it's above the dining room. So 60 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:25,320 long story short, we find out that there's one light switch if 61 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,700 you put the dimmer in a certain spot in a certain spot. It's 62 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:33,900 right it's like within a half a half a centimeter distance on 63 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:36,720 the slide. Then that also in that bus pops up. 64 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:39,750 I'm going to blame LED lights for this crap 65 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:43,980 led its course it's led Of course you just pollution. 66 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:47,100 Yeah, if it was analog light bulbs, like it used to be, you 67 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:49,890 could dim that stuff all day long and it's fine. And now your 68 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,730 know your switch your little dimmer, sphere or circle or 69 00:03:53,730 --> 00:03:56,790 whatever may sound like it was about to explode, but the light 70 00:03:56,790 --> 00:03:59,580 itself wouldn't do a whole lot. Now you've got like it's not a 71 00:03:59,580 --> 00:04:01,980 light bulb anymore. It's a Raspberry Pi. 72 00:04:04,770 --> 00:04:07,110 I think we should just get rid of the lights and just hang 73 00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:09,510 three Raspberry Pi's from the ceiling. That'd be fun. Yeah. 74 00:04:10,770 --> 00:04:13,980 Great. Mining Bitcoin. Yeah. Well. 75 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:19,230 I have a I have an opening statement. 76 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:24,030 Oh, okay. Opening. So hold on a second. Whoa. Okay. Hold on 77 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:28,140 everybody. We have a motion for the board meeting. point of 78 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:28,830 personal privilege 79 00:04:28,830 --> 00:04:31,230 when there's personal privilege, the floor is yours. You have the 80 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:32,100 talking stick. 81 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:38,160 I feel like the let it is very strange, that the last two 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:46,050 weeks. There has been so much effort and time and money spent 83 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:51,150 collectively by the podcasting industry to figure out a way to 84 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:53,640 not let people hear your stuff. 85 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:57,120 Am I wrong about this? 86 00:04:57,420 --> 00:05:01,770 No, you're absolutely right. This is This is the two dogs, 87 00:05:01,770 --> 00:05:04,200 they're fighting for the bone. And there's a couple of the dogs 88 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,920 on the outside. They all think they can capture podcasting, 89 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,010 because, you know, hey, it's there. Why not? And they're 90 00:05:11,010 --> 00:05:13,770 failing. Yeah, they're failing. 91 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,810 So you have, I was thinking about this earlier. So it's kind 92 00:05:18,810 --> 00:05:22,860 of like, yeah, you know, we talked about value for value 93 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:26,880 versus pay wall, blah, blah, blah. It's sort of like, fast 94 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:33,720 food. And sit down restaurant. And I think we can all agree 95 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:41,580 universally, that sitting down at a restaurant, getting served, 96 00:05:41,970 --> 00:05:45,540 and then showing your appreciation with with a tip or 97 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:52,530 with modern monetary gratuity after a fine meal, is a much 98 00:05:52,530 --> 00:05:58,050 better experience than paying for the slop up front. And then 99 00:05:58,050 --> 00:06:03,630 just hoping that you get that they that the guy that doesn't 100 00:06:03,630 --> 00:06:07,440 care that much this slinging hash in the back, you know, on 101 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,870 the griddle didn't like spit in. So like, I just feel like the 102 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:16,770 entire, this, this whole discussion of subscriptions and 103 00:06:16,770 --> 00:06:20,610 paywalls, and membership, and what my favorite month, this is 104 00:06:20,730 --> 00:06:25,890 my favorite phrase. Now, premium content. I like this, this is 105 00:06:25,890 --> 00:06:30,300 all just a way to take a fine dining experience, and turn it 106 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:37,170 into like, essentially like a 545 at Arby's. And maybe I'm 107 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:40,170 wrong about this, but it just doesn't feel right to put all 108 00:06:40,170 --> 00:06:44,760 this effort into, into figuring out new ways to prohibit people 109 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,900 from listening to you. 110 00:06:46,590 --> 00:06:53,790 I have never been one to be shy. And, and my ego is not just my 111 00:06:53,820 --> 00:07:00,420 ego this time around is the ego of probably a good 50 to 75 112 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:04,950 people. I will tell you that this is all happening because of 113 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:11,670 us. We are yes this we did not go unnoticed. Apple called me 114 00:07:13,230 --> 00:07:17,280 late last year, heard me out, I told them exactly what we were 115 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,400 doing exactly how we're gonna do it, and that they were more than 116 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,440 welcome to join. And they and it's not it's not about money. 117 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:29,820 It's about perception of ownership. Apple, the way they 118 00:07:29,820 --> 00:07:34,320 speak, is still they want to you to perceive that they have 119 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,590 ownership that they created this, that they were that and 120 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:40,650 this and by the way, they deserve that credit. But that 121 00:07:40,650 --> 00:07:44,220 doesn't it's not ownership. They deserve all the credit that they 122 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:48,480 can get for making a lot of this work. But you don't own it. And 123 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,440 these are boardroom questions. This is Board of Directors, this 124 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,780 is shareholders Well, what do you know about podcasting, 125 00:07:54,780 --> 00:07:58,770 Spotify sees me eating your lunch, which they're not. The 126 00:07:58,770 --> 00:08:03,540 news today that Spotify, very disappointing results in growth. 127 00:08:03,810 --> 00:08:06,720 And that was the whole point, the whole point of podcasting 128 00:08:06,930 --> 00:08:11,820 was to get new users who are subscribers, not advertiser 129 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:15,630 listeners, and to convert existing people to listening 130 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:19,350 longer, and listening less to music and more to podcast. And 131 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:21,660 from all the numbers I've seen, and from the numbers the 132 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:24,750 analysts have put together, it's just the you know, it's like, 133 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:27,210 well, they got a good bump on Joe Rogan that was a customer 134 00:08:27,210 --> 00:08:31,170 acquisition move. And that's it, it's not really moving the 135 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:33,510 needle very much. And yeah, 136 00:08:33,629 --> 00:08:38,309 I think I saw they said 25% of their subscribers like 25% of 137 00:08:38,309 --> 00:08:41,369 their monthly active subscribers, listen to podcasts 138 00:08:41,669 --> 00:08:46,379 in the app, which is already low. But a question that number 139 00:08:46,409 --> 00:08:53,909 anyway, because here's what you can shoot me if I'm wrong. This 140 00:08:53,969 --> 00:08:58,109 is got to be the way that they measure that number. You've got, 141 00:08:59,129 --> 00:09:03,839 essentially anybody that accidentally taps on a podcast, 142 00:09:03,959 --> 00:09:07,289 it gets counted as a podcast listener on Spotify. 143 00:09:07,289 --> 00:09:10,109 Well, I would say why don't we just use the same metric that 144 00:09:10,109 --> 00:09:13,049 Facebook uses to charge their customers three seconds of a 145 00:09:13,049 --> 00:09:14,669 video view is the video view. 146 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,320 Yeah, exactly. 147 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:20,250 That's gotta be it. Also, it's not none of these numbers are 148 00:09:20,250 --> 00:09:22,620 impressive. You want him to you want to hear impressive growth 149 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:30,630 numbers. In March of 2021 podcast index saw 34,000 150 00:09:30,630 --> 00:09:37,260 transactions that date April 30 2021, we are almost at 68,000 151 00:09:37,260 --> 00:09:42,510 transactions. So we are doubling the amount of transactions we do 152 00:09:42,510 --> 00:09:46,080 month over month. And that's just what the index sees. 153 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:49,860 There's another at least that at least double that amount. 154 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:54,450 Because every payment is minimum two transactions, one to the 155 00:09:54,450 --> 00:09:59,970 index one to the podcaster. So and by the way, I had a nice 156 00:10:00,030 --> 00:10:03,540 chat with Roy from breeze today. And he's also looking at their 157 00:10:03,540 --> 00:10:09,150 growth based on transactions per month. And we and we correlated. 158 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:14,160 And it's it's almost spot on, it makes it makes so much sense. 159 00:10:14,370 --> 00:10:15,090 And the numbers, 160 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,670 it's good to have there. It's good to have verification that 161 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:19,710 that Yes, correct. Yeah. And actually, 162 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:24,630 Ryan is doing the lightning labs monthly newsletter. And he asked 163 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:26,370 me and I said, Well, you know, there's this metric that we're 164 00:10:26,370 --> 00:10:28,380 using is Yeah, look, I know, I got Roy's, too, it's like, 165 00:10:29,910 --> 00:10:35,880 you're talking to us behind our backs. Actually, I will say just 166 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,840 briefly on Roy, because he just gave me a general update, where 167 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,960 that they're about to release a new version. And he's very deep 168 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,010 into lnd. And all the things that are issues, because we 169 00:10:47,010 --> 00:10:50,310 still have tons of issues, you know, channel closings, all 170 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:54,960 kinds of CPU usage. Now in the in zero point, 13, or something 171 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,870 I know, there's all kinds of stuff going on, always. So I 172 00:10:57,870 --> 00:11:01,050 love getting that update. But I said, Well, what can what can we 173 00:11:01,050 --> 00:11:03,960 do for you, Adam? So Well, what every developer I've spoken to 174 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,050 would really like to have is a connect to this wallet button. 175 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:09,750 Yeah. And he said so much. And he said, 176 00:11:09,750 --> 00:11:12,990 Look, that is just the mobile operating systems just 177 00:11:12,990 --> 00:11:15,870 technically impossible, because they literally have to run side 178 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:19,170 by side, or they have both have to be in the foreground. He says 179 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:22,770 with now you can do it with Android, where you split 180 00:11:22,770 --> 00:11:25,200 screens, he said, but you know, I said at the time, it's a 181 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,040 stupid solution, obviously. But he did, he did reiterate to me. 182 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,920 He says we don't care about the branding or anything like that. 183 00:11:35,190 --> 00:11:41,070 He says, if we can put a breeze technology into an existing app, 184 00:11:41,430 --> 00:11:44,970 we would love that. And they still manage all the chat, 185 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:48,720 essentially what I was advocating for months ago. But 186 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,450 now we have you know, he's told me that if someone seriously 187 00:11:51,450 --> 00:11:55,080 wants to integrate the breeze code into their app, to they 188 00:11:55,110 --> 00:11:57,450 just have a wallet that they don't have to think about that 189 00:11:57,450 --> 00:12:00,330 just works. They're ready, willing and able to help. 190 00:12:01,230 --> 00:12:05,010 Oh, that's cool. I mean, I wonder how hard that is? I think 191 00:12:05,010 --> 00:12:09,390 it's hard, I think and yes. And I think it's hard because it's 192 00:12:09,390 --> 00:12:12,480 not like, oh, let me just code up this API. You know, there's 193 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,160 all kinds of shit that your app will have to do. In order for 194 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:22,110 that to function. And it I mean, to me, it almost seems like, 195 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:26,460 give me everything in the Give me the whole breeze wallet. And 196 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:31,740 let me put all of my funk functionality into it. Kind of 197 00:12:31,740 --> 00:12:33,660 like what they did with any time player. 198 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:38,670 Right? So yeah, this is a really, you would have to strap 199 00:12:39,180 --> 00:12:41,430 you'd have to strap your player onto the breeze wall, 200 00:12:41,429 --> 00:12:45,659 I think so. But okay, but you're essentially so that would be 201 00:12:45,659 --> 00:12:49,079 white labeling their whole wallet, and you just do your 202 00:12:49,079 --> 00:12:51,569 thing on top of it, you don't have to show any of the other 203 00:12:51,569 --> 00:12:56,399 stuff. But then you'd have built in the channel management, the 204 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:00,599 the Bitcoin buying from moon or whatever they do, all of that 205 00:13:00,659 --> 00:13:03,899 would be because above all their lightning service provider and 206 00:13:03,899 --> 00:13:08,069 they want to create the lightning ecosystem. And it's 207 00:13:08,069 --> 00:13:11,099 not important to them. If if it's the breeze, you know, it's 208 00:13:11,129 --> 00:13:15,119 it's not. To them, the end goal is not the breeze podcast app, 209 00:13:16,199 --> 00:13:20,849 their goal is to lightning ephi the entire economy. So if they 210 00:13:20,849 --> 00:13:25,499 can do anything to get this going with other apps, you know, 211 00:13:25,529 --> 00:13:28,499 they want the Roy gave his personal commitment. They're 212 00:13:28,499 --> 00:13:31,229 small, but you know, they will do it. But he says it takes 213 00:13:31,229 --> 00:13:34,349 serious development. It's not a joke. I don't think it's easy at 214 00:13:34,349 --> 00:13:38,129 all. Yeah. But of course, you know, I've learned 215 00:13:38,190 --> 00:13:41,850 that nothing is really easy. Well, the the, the the ultimate 216 00:13:41,850 --> 00:13:43,950 solution, I'm not gonna say better. But the ultimate 217 00:13:43,950 --> 00:13:49,620 solution to a quick, you know, painless entry is lm pay. And 218 00:13:49,650 --> 00:13:53,910 we've, you know, we've got to get that thing figured out where 219 00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:58,050 we can hook that thing up on the back end, for whoever, you know, 220 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,190 because it's, it's, I'm not gonna say is straightforward on 221 00:14:02,190 --> 00:14:04,890 the app side, because there are a lot of challenges. I mean, 222 00:14:04,890 --> 00:14:09,540 Mitch, and, and Martin. I mean, they've all been trying to 223 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:11,040 figure this thing out. Well, what? 224 00:14:11,909 --> 00:14:13,529 You know, that it's all it's 225 00:14:13,529 --> 00:14:16,289 all Yeah, it's a bit it's all philosophy. You know, it's like 226 00:14:18,449 --> 00:14:22,619 Martin has no problem holding other people's API keys. Yeah, 227 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:25,589 and you know, and he has no problem I he clearly doesn't 228 00:14:25,619 --> 00:14:29,459 exude any problem having that responsibility. By the way stop 229 00:14:29,459 --> 00:14:36,209 this. Stop this show. But I I received in my PO box 230 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,400 that nice 231 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,780 a pod friend podcast index pillow case. 232 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:43,620 What 233 00:14:45,330 --> 00:14:49,560 this thing is it's big enough for the pod fathers ass got to 234 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,340 put your own pillow in it is beautiful. It had it must be two 235 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:54,660 by two. a 236 00:14:54,659 --> 00:14:58,709 pillow case Yes. Yeah, I didn't know that was an option. I'm so 237 00:14:58,709 --> 00:14:58,919 I'm 238 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:02,579 so one side. It's like It's like a huge double sided flag on one 239 00:15:02,579 --> 00:15:07,079 side. It's, it's the it's the now very familiar pod friend 240 00:15:07,949 --> 00:15:11,069 logo on the other side of the podcast index logo. And along 241 00:15:11,069 --> 00:15:18,989 with that came my very own. I'm sorry, Tina's podcast friend mug 242 00:15:18,989 --> 00:15:23,999 cuz he went Yeah, that's so nice of him to send that to me. 243 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:28,350 Pillow 244 00:15:30,659 --> 00:15:34,739 pillows were an option. I'm like losing, losing jealous. 245 00:15:34,740 --> 00:15:35,250 Yes, 246 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:37,200 you shouldn't be you should be total jelly. 247 00:15:39,179 --> 00:15:41,759 Anyway. So back to it that 248 00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:43,230 was coming in on that. 249 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:46,680 The I know you gave them the PO Box, I'm sure appreciate that. 250 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:55,800 So on the other hand, you have a Mitch, and he doesn't want to 251 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:03,720 hold any of that shit. Right. And, and so this, what? I'm 252 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,780 already happy that when I hit a boost button, I get confetti 253 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:10,110 jizz from everybody. That's me is the best branding ever. And I 254 00:16:10,110 --> 00:16:13,800 appreciate Mitch for putting that in there. I love I'll even 255 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,240 look past your crypto settings label because of the contract. 256 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,260 Yeah, I don't like the crypto term. But that's just me. I 257 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:25,200 mean, it's it's imperative open for other stuff, I 258 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,500 guess. Well, it's imperative that we have priorities when it 259 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:31,020 comes to building an open standard. And that confetti is 260 00:16:31,020 --> 00:16:31,650 clearly one of the 261 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:35,820 what's the most important or most important of all standard 262 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:39,720 items. It's our secret branding. I love that. I think that's 263 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,830 fantastic. But anyway, so so and that's also where we stagnate. 264 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:47,250 Oh, another thing I should tell you, Roy is looking seriously at 265 00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:48,570 integrating matrix. 266 00:16:49,470 --> 00:16:53,550 Yeah, have Alice Gates has posted about matrix a few times, 267 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:57,090 and I will I will claim, utter ignorance about it. 268 00:16:57,900 --> 00:17:02,490 I don't have utter ignorance, but I've looked at it. I know 269 00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:07,920 there's you know, whatever works. I mean, I personally 270 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,980 would just love to have something that works. Similar to 271 00:17:11,220 --> 00:17:15,480 Sphinx chat, because I think paying for your messages is a 272 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,020 smart way to go. I get zero traction on that. 273 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:23,730 Well, and I don't, I'm not gonna push back necessarily, but I 274 00:17:23,730 --> 00:17:30,150 will say that the only downside to that is then UX. I'll say the 275 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:34,290 downside now, like right now in the game, is that when you tie 276 00:17:34,290 --> 00:17:41,010 the chat to lightning, then the lightning channels then it like 277 00:17:41,010 --> 00:17:44,850 falls down in the same way that the payments fall down. Yes, 278 00:17:44,850 --> 00:17:47,280 yeah. If something goes wrong, Yes, I understand. I understand. 279 00:17:47,670 --> 00:17:51,930 Yeah. And so like it, it seems, because that's the only that's 280 00:17:51,930 --> 00:17:54,570 the only thing that we're struggling with here. Sometimes 281 00:17:54,570 --> 00:17:57,930 those channels just fall over thing is and I took 282 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:04,140 Gene's comment to heart on our on our previous jitsi call the 283 00:18:04,140 --> 00:18:12,570 juicy where we discussed the confetti jazz is that once you 284 00:18:12,570 --> 00:18:17,460 have comments, you introduce a whole host of things and and one 285 00:18:17,460 --> 00:18:21,480 of them is moderation. And I just really now so what I 286 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,800 noticed with the swings chat app besides some obvious issues that 287 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,000 always crop up with channels and routing and liquidity to make it 288 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:35,790 actually function you know, the chats are not very long not very 289 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:39,000 debated. And it's not like telegram where I tune in like oh 290 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,650 there's 14,000 messages in this one group it's because it costs 291 00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:47,100 money so I'm you know, it's that's just a philosophical 292 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:51,360 thing. It's going to cost podcast app developers money to 293 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:55,890 implement this to maintain it. So I you know, to me, it's like 294 00:18:55,890 --> 00:18:59,190 well, why don't we just make it actually money and then you make 295 00:18:59,190 --> 00:19:00,090 it that much easier? 296 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:08,730 I don't fit on a philosophical level. Agree 100% you can play 297 00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:11,340 ISO giving people power. 298 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:14,010 We live doing that 299 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,710 giving people power and expecting them to be disciplined 300 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:18,510 about it is completely insane. 301 00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:20,850 Where that from 302 00:19:21,689 --> 00:19:25,799 that is from we can do a little bit of this you want to comes 303 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:31,199 from New York Times podcast called the argument. I'm 304 00:19:31,199 --> 00:19:35,459 actually a big fan of the lady and I forget her name. The lady 305 00:19:35,459 --> 00:19:43,559 who runs it, who hosts It is like I think she was with slate 306 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:47,219 or some No no, I'm sorry, Vox. So I saw that she was with Vox 307 00:19:47,219 --> 00:19:53,009 and I was like, but then look up her her history. And she's 308 00:19:53,009 --> 00:19:55,679 really fair. Like she is like, 309 00:19:56,010 --> 00:19:58,170 way she This is not a Kara Swisher is it? 310 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:04,290 No, no I forget No, no, this is not cares. I forget this lady's 311 00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:07,740 name, but she's really good. Like, I looked up a lot of her 312 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:11,760 former articles and stuff like that. And she really plays it 313 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,360 down the middle and tries to be tries to be honest with with 314 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:20,370 things. So I'm, I'm actually dig in the show a lot she brings, 315 00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:25,260 she brings up in like in one of the late or one of the episodes, 316 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:30,510 she brings up the whole thing about the filibuster. And the 317 00:20:30,570 --> 00:20:33,720 and she's talking about where she's given equal size. And 318 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,500 that's that's what that clip is from. But then I was listening 319 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:42,870 to as I started it over, and I'm not sure if it's dynamic ads or 320 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:46,020 what it is. But I think I started it back to get a clip 321 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:50,400 from it. And this is what showed up Facebook pre roll. 322 00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:57,030 This podcast is supported by Facebook. 25 years ago, phones 323 00:20:57,030 --> 00:21:00,480 weren't smart yet. And people still said fax it to me. The 324 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,230 internet has changed a lot since 1996. But that's the last time 325 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:07,230 comprehensive internet regulations were passed. That's 326 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:09,870 why Facebook once updated internet regulations to set 327 00:21:09,870 --> 00:21:13,110 clear guidelines for addressing today's toughest challenges. 328 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,950 protecting privacy, enabling safe and easy data portability 329 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:20,310 between platforms and more. Learn more about why Facebook 330 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:23,940 supports updated internet regulations at about fb.com 331 00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:25,710 slash regulation. Wow, that's 332 00:21:25,710 --> 00:21:29,070 a good catch. There you go. That's how you do it. You lobby 333 00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:32,760 all the all the politicians in the EU make sure there's really 334 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,090 expensive regulations that cost a lot of money to adhere to. And 335 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:38,370 then if you make it impossible for new entrants, 336 00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:42,239 and then you add, and then you buy pre rolls on the New York 337 00:21:42,239 --> 00:21:43,709 Times of podcasts. 338 00:21:44,609 --> 00:21:46,229 That's what you do. That's America, baby. 339 00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:50,700 That's the mean, clearly, when I think Facebook, I think that 340 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:54,720 their main desires are data portability. Yeah, privacy, 341 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:55,590 freedom of 342 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:57,510 speech. Oh, yeah. 343 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:57,630 I 344 00:21:57,630 --> 00:22:01,350 love the data portability. Oh, yeah. No, I think they want the 345 00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:04,560 portability, so they can suck up someone else's data, then I can 346 00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:07,980 give that back to you. Yeah, here's the CSV file. Good luck. 347 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,270 csv. Yeah. Here's a 47 gig CSV have fun. 348 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,040 Yeah, that's exactly what it is. 349 00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:18,990 No, I mean, what brought What was interesting to me about the 350 00:22:18,990 --> 00:22:22,950 whole Spotify thing is, you know, you take all the Spotify 351 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:27,480 subscription crap, and then you sort of now they're spraying 352 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,940 they're sprinkling a little bit of Facebook on top of it in some 353 00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:34,650 weird way. 354 00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:38,820 But then, here's what I don't understand the obsession. This 355 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:42,840 is a spell. And and it's particularly the press the 356 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,860 media, the journalist, oh, Apple did something Apple farted. And 357 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:49,830 I've been you know, I use apples all my life until I started 358 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:51,750 really looking what they were doing professional audio and 359 00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:54,900 video and didn't work for me anymore. Especially how they 360 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:57,810 were messing around. USB is a mess, all kinds of stuff, but 361 00:22:57,810 --> 00:23:02,910 have no no core issues. I'm not a hater. I mean, just listen to 362 00:23:02,910 --> 00:23:07,740 all of the podcasts, all of the fawning over Oh, apples changed 363 00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:10,440 it to follow instead of subscribing. Well, that means 364 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,770 subscriptions are gone. And then it comes in. It's like it's a 365 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:21,030 wet fart and everybody knows it. And Oh, don't worry, APA will 366 00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:24,090 fix the bug. It's not the ball. And don't worry, APA will fix 367 00:23:24,090 --> 00:23:29,850 it. Hey, get a clue people. Apple doesn't care about you. 368 00:23:31,890 --> 00:23:34,770 They don't care. They don't care. 369 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:39,870 My favorite part was how certain people couldn't get into upload 370 00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:41,250 their shows for like a week. 371 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,030 And then, yesterday, I posted no agenda show with some of the 372 00:23:48,030 --> 00:23:50,610 shittiest audio in my professional career. 373 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:55,440 And that hurts you Yeah, 374 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:58,650 well, you know, yes, I can draw many parallels and you 375 00:23:58,650 --> 00:24:02,130 understand you understand? I did remaster I was able to fix a 376 00:24:02,130 --> 00:24:05,640 little bit. But anyway, and I see all these people showing up 377 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,380 on Apple App. upload it to Apple. What are you on? Yeah, 378 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:15,360 I'm on the new one. Okay, yeah, five hours hasn't updated. Well, 379 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,350 it's time to look at new podcast. apps.com. We have such 380 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:20,820 an opportunity here. 381 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,800 I agree. So this is a point I want to bring up. And you like 382 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,200 my voice by the way of all the different players out there on 383 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,200 the internet. That's my Twitter. My array of Twitter voices 384 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:31,680 actually. 385 00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:35,730 Yeah, they all that's probably pretty much with it. When I when 386 00:24:35,730 --> 00:24:38,490 I read them. That's the voice I do in my head. 387 00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:40,200 Yeah. 388 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:46,830 So here's the thing that this and I think we talked about this 389 00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:52,410 last week. But I want to say this even more. There is such an 390 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:58,710 easy way to fix this. The the apple podcast app, evidently is 391 00:24:58,710 --> 00:25:02,880 hot garbage. I haven't even seen it. Yet, and everybody is 392 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,020 concerned about them limiting, you know, the open podcast 393 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:13,260 ecosystem, it is so easy to fix this recommend people to use 394 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:19,230 different apps on your show and on your hosting platform. So 395 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:23,040 hosting companies like, you know, buzzsprout, blueberry, and 396 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:30,540 SR captivate date barsa, they can RSS calm they can, like, 397 00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:34,710 when you sign up for a new account, they can say, here's 398 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:40,500 some great apps, this support, like 2.0 features and just give 399 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:44,850 you an overall better listener experience. Here's a good list. 400 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:50,580 And why don't you you know, encourage them to, to say that 401 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:54,510 on their show, you know to recommend to their audience that 402 00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:58,380 that they did their audience listened to just like you do you 403 00:25:58,380 --> 00:26:00,840 do on your shows you say if you're listening to this, and 404 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,920 podcasting 2.0 player, you're seeing chapters now you're 405 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,730 seeing this 406 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,940 as of as of yesterday show I am highlighting and mentioning one 407 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:15,270 app per show. So um, so yesterday, I said, All right, I 408 00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:18,510 want you to check out pod friend pod friend calm, I'm hoping that 409 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:21,930 pod versus available for a Sunday doesn't matter. Because, 410 00:26:21,930 --> 00:26:24,810 you know, we have we have so many of them. And I'm just going 411 00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:28,530 to rotate that and, and even john, because you know, it's 412 00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:30,540 always weird, you're promoting so we don't really promote 413 00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:33,780 anything in the show. But I said, you know, you know, 414 00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:35,880 there's some issues here and this is podcasting is under 415 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,590 attack. You need to use a different app, because your 416 00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:46,440 shits not gonna work, it's gonna get turned off. And and I and I 417 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,000 know that we just and you're so right Dave, too, to our friends 418 00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:56,580 and colleagues and participants at the hosting companies. I am 419 00:26:56,580 --> 00:27:00,540 somewhat from the future. Sometimes it takes a lot. You 420 00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:04,020 can't bet on me, okay? Because you get the bet always comes 10 421 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:06,840 years late, but you're in trouble. You've got to be 422 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,500 careful, there are moves being made. And I think Apple and 423 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,290 Spotify are the least of your worries, stop looking over 424 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:17,010 there. He's got decentralization taking place before your very 425 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:21,870 eyes. So and you need to take that into your your your your 426 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,770 your strategy, to me to take it into account moving forward. 427 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:31,170 because things are going to be happening and particularly with 428 00:27:31,170 --> 00:27:34,410 network effect and how it works with you know, it didn't take 429 00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:37,140 long for clubhouse to be a sensation. It won't take long 430 00:27:37,140 --> 00:27:40,320 for one app or something to happen and then all of a sudden 431 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,260 you may be out of the hosting business. You may be out of the 432 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:48,840 file hosting business you may be relegated to God knows what but 433 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,740 I agree. Now's the time not while the while you're at 434 00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:55,890 because it's not my enemy apples not my enemy. I think they've 435 00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:58,620 neutral they've neutered themselves as has Spotify, 436 00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:06,270 that's fine. While they're weak strike this is a time when we 437 00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:09,030 should be promoting the way forward we have the brand 438 00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:13,590 podcasting 2.0 that is our brand. It's it's recognized you 439 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:17,340 can go anywhere and Pete is over there those guys, now is the 440 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:20,820 time to end it's better. There's nothing better than Spotify and 441 00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:24,000 Apple than oh wait version 2.0. Why am I mucking around with 442 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,850 this shit? I get pretty passionate? 443 00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:31,710 Well, I think, yeah, I think we all do. And that's what I talked 444 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:36,390 to actually talked to a hosting company yesterday. And we were 445 00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:39,540 talking about a little bit about that about how, you know the 446 00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:42,690 threat to the landscape and all that, that jazz. And I really 447 00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:48,960 think there's this idea in philosophy or in rhetoric or 448 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,790 philosophy or philosophical arguments, what do you want to 449 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:54,330 call it? where you say, you know, you never challenged the 450 00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:57,810 man with the microphone, or the men with microphone always wins. 451 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,140 And he knows this idea that you know, if you're, if you have a 452 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:05,820 dispute, or you want to contradict the professor, in 453 00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:08,760 charge of the interviews in the front of the class, you really 454 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,070 don't want to do that. You really don't want to do that 455 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:13,950 during the class because he's the man with a microphone, he's 456 00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:17,880 gonna win every time. And podcasting individually and 457 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,470 podcasters are literally an army of microphones. 458 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,920 That's right. They are the audio with an audience of Twitter 459 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,360 users and Facebook users and they love their their favorite 460 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,320 podcasts, 461 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:39,180 if every if every podcaster took it on themselves, to recommend 462 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,020 to their audience to try to just try a different podcast app that 463 00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:50,670 meet that needle wouldn't move radically away from 464 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:53,370 the big the big players, especially when they start to 465 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:56,190 see some of the features and I would say that the in the 466 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:58,740 chicken and the egg of podcasting is my experience. 467 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:03,420 That is really the listener Who, who make that happen? At 468 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:06,600 listeners need to tell their podcasters? That's the big one. 469 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:10,890 So you get one or two listeners saying, Hey, man, check out, 470 00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:13,410 check it out, check out this app, the podcaster looks at the 471 00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:16,410 app, and then more than more likely than not, hey, that's 472 00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:20,610 kind of cool. And then they will talk about it. So it Yeah, the 473 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,040 listeners have. In fact, this is a, a listener driven revolution, 474 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:29,070 not podcasters. It's the listeners who are driving it. 475 00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:34,410 But the hosts Can, can, can take a more active role, but the 476 00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:35,370 hosts are 477 00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:39,690 completely oblivious to it. We have 200 people less than 200 478 00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:43,620 who have a value block, no one, the rest doesn't know. The 479 00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:45,990 listeners have to start propagating that to their 480 00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:49,170 podcasters. Then the pod the podcasters are clueless do I 481 00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:49,590 think? 482 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:53,610 Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the podcasters are clueless, but see 483 00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:55,440 that but that's where the hosting companies can take an 484 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,870 active role in it. Because that's their, that's their big 485 00:30:57,870 --> 00:30:59,370 benefit. Yes, there's 486 00:30:59,370 --> 00:31:01,980 their USP. Yeah, they should be doing nodes and all kinds of 487 00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:05,340 stuff for their podcasters and the education piece, the 488 00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:08,520 education pieces, because they can actively fight back against 489 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:14,490 this. Now they already were already winning. Yeah, I really, 490 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,750 I really realized No, no, but we're winning. All of this stuff 491 00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:23,040 is because there was something too powerful RSS was coming to 492 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,920 the forefront. It's extended. Hey, wait a minute. They're 493 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,980 doing features only we can do with our infrastructure. Berber, 494 00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:30,810 Berber bra. No, no, no, I 495 00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:34,020 love I love that. We we have, you know, we introduced 496 00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:36,600 channels, the idea that you can put multiple podcasts into a 497 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:36,990 channel, 498 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:38,760 Dave, Dave goes hold my beer. 499 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,800 like Tom Ross, he caught up and said that and put that in the 500 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200 issues. I was like, made you be me too. And I was literally 501 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,490 about to create. 502 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:51,120 Ross, he put it in first with Rossi. Oh, that's fantastic. 503 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,850 Yeah, that's what I mean. Is that be a podcast, podcasting? 504 00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:56,970 2.0 goes hold my beer. Let me get this feature for you. 505 00:31:57,899 --> 00:32:01,829 Yeah, well, no, I just I just think that you're right. I think 506 00:32:01,829 --> 00:32:05,039 we are winning. And I think I think there's certain people 507 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,359 that have been in the apple spell for so long that they 508 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,839 don't realize it yet. And so yeah, that's part part of our 509 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,379 mission to really, you know, focus index is to convince 510 00:32:16,379 --> 00:32:20,069 people that they are actually winning. Yes, no, you are, 511 00:32:20,099 --> 00:32:23,309 you're doing you're doing just fine. Just keep just put the gas 512 00:32:23,369 --> 00:32:24,329 put the pedal down. 513 00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:29,250 Now to ensure that when we when we really win, I'd like to 514 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:31,950 introduce our guest for today, who has been sitting by quite 515 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:35,790 patiently is we've been yapping along. This is not just any old 516 00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:44,520 guest. He is in fact, a partner in podcast index, LLC. And we 517 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,910 have many names for him. But I would say accurately described 518 00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:51,090 as the Swiss Army Knife of the index. Ladies and gentlemen, 519 00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:52,530 Eric Mackey. 520 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,980 Yay, 521 00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:56,730 turd, 522 00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:58,380 the turd Ferguson this podcast. 523 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,480 Don't get that reference. 524 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:06,180 That's it. That's 525 00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:12,120 it. I don't want I haven't watched that night live in 10 526 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,690 years. 527 00:33:14,369 --> 00:33:16,829 Probably about the time that sketch was there. So let me give 528 00:33:16,829 --> 00:33:18,719 you let me give a little background that you need to 529 00:33:18,719 --> 00:33:21,029 introduce yourself properly because people have only heard 530 00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:25,379 maybe is Eric the shill from the no agenda show and are just 531 00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:29,999 playing Eric? Yeah. Well, no. No, I don't think I've ever 532 00:33:29,999 --> 00:33:34,739 called you rat bastard. But your face but the most important 533 00:33:34,739 --> 00:33:38,579 thing is now when Dave and I started all of this. And we saw 534 00:33:38,579 --> 00:33:41,459 that okay, this is serious. I said, All right, we need to get 535 00:33:41,879 --> 00:33:47,069 the right person in. Who can think with us on the same level 536 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,989 and protect our ass so we don't go to jail be don't do something 537 00:33:51,989 --> 00:33:56,189 stupid that could just ruin the whole project and go to jail 538 00:33:56,189 --> 00:34:00,089 part was regarding the idea that we knew that somehow Bitcoin 539 00:34:00,089 --> 00:34:03,299 would play a load lightning would play into this. Someone 540 00:34:03,299 --> 00:34:08,819 who had set up all the legal stuff. And well, we've 541 00:34:08,819 --> 00:34:11,999 effectively Eric, you and I have been working together in some of 542 00:34:11,999 --> 00:34:17,039 that capacity with the no agenda show for how long now? Almost, 543 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,599 almost since the beginning, so probably 1112 years. Yeah. So 544 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,919 why don't you give us a little bit of your background and, and, 545 00:34:26,789 --> 00:34:29,309 and how you came to be and came into this project? 546 00:34:30,390 --> 00:34:35,460 Yeah, let's see my background professionally. It was it. And 547 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:41,550 then enterprise software for companies either in Redmond, or 548 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:46,140 you know, Seattle, or the valley or wherever. And then I got into 549 00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:50,190 consulting, and have done business consulting, where I 550 00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:52,950 grew into business consulting and everything else with code on 551 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:58,680 the side. And then you and john got together and that started 552 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,070 taking off and you Well, john wanted me to come in and help 553 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:06,990 which I'm his stepson. So he wanted someone he could trust. 554 00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:10,560 Always a dangerous combination to work with family, though. 555 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:15,120 Well, yeah, but the family is a big giant business anyway. So 556 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,960 it's kind of 557 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:20,340 it's a giant business and mean, he really runs it, right? 558 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,170 Yes. 559 00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:31,050 To make sure, yeah. I mean, so you've been doing all the books, 560 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,670 and you do the donation notes. I mean, it's, it's really an 561 00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:40,050 unsung hero of the no agenda show because of the and I would 562 00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:43,350 say, also a lot of donor outreach, you're always talking 563 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,250 to producers, and always dealing with a lot of crap that you keep 564 00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:48,990 away from, certainly from me. 565 00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:54,600 Well, and keep it running, keep the drama low, and just, you 566 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,100 know, just fend off potential problems. 567 00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:03,270 Right. So I asked you to come into the index project. And you 568 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:06,090 know, with the initial goal of, you know, let's set up the LLC, 569 00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:09,180 let's set up our legality. Let's make sure we can even do this. I 570 00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:12,540 mean, what, you know, just all of that stuff. And now you've 571 00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:14,970 really expanded into more, so why don't you talk about what 572 00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:17,370 you're doing. So you can tell the rest of the board members 573 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:20,760 here. Hello, everybody. They're all sitting on pod friend 574 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,360 pillows. 575 00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:23,400 With a full board room, 576 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:24,810 full boardroom today, 577 00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:25,620 it's a full board. 578 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,840 Everybody what you what you let everybody know what you're 579 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,230 doing? 580 00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:35,490 Well, yeah, it's it's I guess, I'm working on kind of what what 581 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,440 you guys are working on, you know, Dave's working on the 582 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,920 namespace days working on the API, doing all that code, but 583 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,910 there's still some packaging front end heading off, kind of 584 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:47,790 same thing with producers or, you know, with the show is that 585 00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:50,730 they need things, they need tools, they need depth, we're 586 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:57,300 working on both the getting the on ramps streamlined and easier 587 00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:03,210 to use. And for podcasters. Yes, for podcasters. And, you know, 588 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,940 take some of the support stuff that Dave's doing. And give, you 589 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:12,090 know, give them the tools to solve it themselves. But then 590 00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:15,300 also providing some of the other things that, you know, watching 591 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,720 the the various channels where the developers are talking about 592 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,550 the issues, they're having the things they're running in. And 593 00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:23,640 then, so that's where we have like the image server coming up. 594 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,390 And 595 00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:26,880 yeah, that's what I'm working on that. I want to hear you talk 596 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,540 about that too. 597 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:35,190 Yes. So the image caching server where it's, it's Goofy, but it's 598 00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:40,230 working slowly to cache all the feed images, eventually, it'll 599 00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:43,770 support episode and chapter images. So they're cached in 600 00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:47,790 four basic sizes for app developers to just call so they 601 00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:53,190 don't have to deal with caching and storing 3 million or 602 00:37:53,250 --> 00:38:00,270 whatever active, you know, chapter and episode and channel 603 00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:00,870 images. 604 00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:06,120 That is basically the same concept that we had a similar 605 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,850 concept to what we had at the beginning when we tried to, and 606 00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:11,610 that project failed. But you're you you're actually going to 607 00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:15,270 take it and make it actually function this. But 608 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:19,710 it's up in I mean, it's caching trending constantly. It's it's 609 00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:23,730 there's three processes running one to constantly cache and 610 00:38:23,730 --> 00:38:27,630 update trending, and the new the stuff that's being added, but 611 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:30,570 then there's another one that's coming up to get everybody else 612 00:38:30,990 --> 00:38:31,680 to wonder when is 613 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,870 this gonna be ready for primetime? When can dev start 614 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:34,380 using it? 615 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:41,100 Um, right now it's got about 400,000 feeds cached. So 616 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,370 you want to have all the feeds cache before, before you unleash 617 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:44,580 it. 618 00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:50,790 I want to I have all the constantly updating or the no 619 00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:52,890 agenda and stuff like that in the trending the ones that 620 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:55,350 update a lot are getting cached. But I want to I want to make 621 00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:59,160 sure I have at least a million feeds in there. God, what 622 00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:02,730 what would help you? Do you need a list of the ones that are 623 00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:06,510 getting called a lot? And what would help you prioritize? 624 00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:10,200 Because you know, you don't want to know how you're thinking, if 625 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,130 it's the same thing I'm hearing as well, I don't want to cache 626 00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:17,220 three and a half million shows when only 100,000 of them get 627 00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:21,180 requested. Like how can we make sure that we're not wasting, 628 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:22,260 wasting that? 629 00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:29,160 Not sure. Right now what it is I have to go on and just work on 630 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,180 speed. It's just cashing too slow right now. 631 00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:38,190 But if if, if maybe I'm just simplistic this way, if an app 632 00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:43,950 is using the image service, and it requests show XYZ, and it's 633 00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:47,010 not cached, I presumably would cache it and then you'd have it 634 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:49,830 right then then you wouldn't have to worry about that. For 635 00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:52,020 the for the time being. Well, it 636 00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:56,070 does serve up a no image file, so there's a fallback so that 637 00:39:56,070 --> 00:40:02,460 you don't get a broken link. Okay. But no, it's not currently 638 00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:05,760 caching on the fly. There's a back end to store it. But 639 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:14,220 I wonder if we, if, if I could ship you the logs from like 640 00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:20,790 maybe the last, oh, gosh, maybe logs from like the last 90 days. 641 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,890 And you could just do those first. prioritize those is that 642 00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:26,640 would that 643 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,260 yes, that's doable. 644 00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:32,460 Okay, because it's like if it's if a if an app has not requested 645 00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:37,530 an AI, if an app has not requested a list of episodes for 646 00:40:37,530 --> 00:40:42,060 a re feed ID in the last 90 days is probably not worth, you know, 647 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,000 prioritizing. And then you can keep backs that you keep 648 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,460 backfilling in the background, but then right, once you 649 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,250 actually need, are they they're in there, and then you can 650 00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:50,850 launch quicker. 651 00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:54,330 Yeah, right now, I'm just going off last update date. And just 652 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,320 pulling that back. 653 00:40:56,009 --> 00:40:59,519 Is this something that the developers desperately need? 654 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:04,410 I don't know if it's desperate, but it's, it's actually pretty 655 00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:07,260 important. They're, they're really struggling with that. 656 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:13,200 Because they that it's, when you request an image off, you can 657 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,230 just leave out if all you have is an image URL and you request 658 00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:19,410 that thing. You really have no idea what you're getting. Right? 659 00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:25,080 It comes at 20 meg PDF? Yeah. Come on down the line for you. 660 00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:29,910 And it's 3000 dpi. Well, yeah, and if it's a 4000 pixel wide 661 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:32,160 image, but you're serving up on a phone, you don't need to load 662 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:32,820 all that data. 663 00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:36,090 Right. Okay, got it, that makes a hell of a lot of sense. It's a 664 00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:36,930 nice service. 665 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,640 Well, yeah, it's trying to backfill where I can with, with 666 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,510 what Dave's doing with the own. And so you're talking about the 667 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:50,850 onboarding A while ago. And what that, what that means is, 668 00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:55,740 you're, you're creating a way for people to claim their feed, 669 00:41:56,100 --> 00:42:00,180 and be able to get in there and do some basic, basic stuff with 670 00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:05,490 it. So that we don't have to, well, that and also add their 671 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:09,540 feed. So if they created a, if they created their feet over 672 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:14,160 here on on transistor, then they can and they noticed this not in 673 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,790 the index, they can create an account and plug in their feet 674 00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:18,270 in. Right. 675 00:42:18,779 --> 00:42:21,689 Right. And then and then generate a value block down the 676 00:42:21,689 --> 00:42:23,069 road, or after that. 677 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,300 Okay. Yeah, that that's a, that's something that's been 678 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:32,910 sorely missing, is a way for people to put feeds into the 679 00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:37,140 index from the public. And wait, it's just one of those things. 680 00:42:38,310 --> 00:42:42,990 Like, you know, I appreciate this, this kind of thing that 681 00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:47,700 you're doing here, because it's not so hard to stop looking at 682 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:51,600 the, at the technical functional piece of the API, and go over 683 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,920 here and write something. It's like, a Forgot Password link. 684 00:42:57,390 --> 00:43:00,270 I'm like, it's the dirty business is the dirty business 685 00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:01,200 man told no, 686 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,280 it's, it's the packaging, and it's all the side stuff. And 687 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,010 it's like, Yeah, you've got this and I want and I really want you 688 00:43:08,010 --> 00:43:13,500 focusing on that. And lightning and, and frankly, the things I 689 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:19,350 need more than more than resetting a feed or adding a 690 00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:22,620 feed or you know, any of these other things that are just their 691 00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:23,220 overhead. 692 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,420 So I've got something I want to ask you about. And it's this is 693 00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:34,080 a result regarding Alex was asking some issues about, he's 694 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,680 running like a side service, he's running a no agenda to be 695 00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:40,980 calm. In this, I think this would apply to lots of different 696 00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:45,750 things that people are doing with podcast index, these little 697 00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:52,620 sort of side services, if they want to make if they want to 698 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:59,880 take donations, or allow for things if they want to operate 699 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,750 more like a business. Even though if it's going to even 700 00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:07,710 though it's just something small, like a side project. You 701 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:10,560 know, because like, people are wondering, well, if I create 702 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,440 this little this side project, something like let's just say 703 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,040 Andy laymen's soundbites website, he's got a thing that 704 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,520 monitors all the recent sound bites in the index. And then 705 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:25,410 shows the shows them so you can sort of browse on like a site 706 00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:30,030 like that. If, let's just say he wants to graduate that thing up 707 00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:33,510 to the next level, so to speak. He wants to be able to take 708 00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:38,520 like, have people comment on on the site, and maybe he wants to 709 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,080 take donations and that kind of thing? Is there certain advice 710 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,560 from like a business perspective that you would give people on? 711 00:44:47,010 --> 00:44:50,310 What age do they need to go to all the trouble starting an LLC 712 00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:53,610 or something like that, or can they just do that in a safe way 713 00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:02,790 that's a couple different layers to that. If you like keeping 714 00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:05,670 your house and your assets, I would say put a corporation 715 00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:09,000 between you and everybody else. If you're going to do anything 716 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,440 that involves, well, if you're going to invest any money to buy 717 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,200 equipment and services, and you're spending money, then from 718 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,660 a tax perspective, yeah, you should set up a business. So you 719 00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:21,630 can write that stuff off. If you're going to be making money. 720 00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:24,750 You know, it should be compartmentalised from both the 721 00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:28,350 liability and accounting standpoint. If it's not, if it's 722 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:31,620 just a side business, and you're not, I mean, I guess the line 723 00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:35,160 for me is if you're going to spend more than $5,000 a year, I 724 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680 would say, spend the money, spend a couple 100 bucks set up 725 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,180 an LLC and go through the trouble. Because then it's worth 726 00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:45,270 it on your taxes, and likely you're under estimating how much 727 00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:50,790 you're going to spend. Yeah. And you might as well why pay tax on 728 00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:53,700 it? Why not write off the expenses? You can write up 729 00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:57,960 $50,000 for a business startup? On your personal so 730 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,660 in America in the United States, 731 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,820 right. And I'm, I don't do European stuff. So rest of the 732 00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:08,190 world. So yeah, I'm talking exclusively with the US 733 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,469 is so like, here's an here's an example like Mark Martin net pod 734 00:46:13,469 --> 00:46:16,829 friend. I know he's really wanting to do comments, and like 735 00:46:16,949 --> 00:46:21,419 podcast reviews and stuff in the app, and right, and possibly 736 00:46:21,419 --> 00:46:27,779 chat type stuff. So I mean, from a legal standpoint, what does he 737 00:46:27,779 --> 00:46:31,349 need to do to make sure, I mean, ignoring the fact that he's from 738 00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:35,699 didn't know he's domiciled in Denmark, that, what would he 739 00:46:35,789 --> 00:46:39,629 there's somebody like him need to do to make sure that legally, 740 00:46:39,779 --> 00:46:43,289 they're not going to get screwed by somebody posting something on 741 00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:47,129 his website that they should be taken down or something like 742 00:46:47,129 --> 00:46:47,429 that? 743 00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:52,680 Um, well, I mean, you do have the copyright office with the US 744 00:46:52,680 --> 00:47:00,090 for the DMCA, but Digital Millennium Copyright Act. But 745 00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:01,050 that's, you know, this 746 00:47:01,050 --> 00:47:04,440 is legal. This is legal advice. He is a lawyer. And so you can 747 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:04,950 I'm just kidding. 748 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,420 Like I said, if you're getting accounting and legal advice from 749 00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:10,320 a podcast, you 750 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:14,309 know, I think it's, it's probably more helpful. Because, 751 00:47:14,339 --> 00:47:16,559 of course, we can't give anyone any advice. But maybe just to 752 00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:20,309 tell people, what we've done is better than trying to look at 753 00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:23,939 individual situation. So to protect us, what have you done 754 00:47:23,939 --> 00:47:24,749 in that regard. 755 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,630 So we set up, obviously, LLC, separate books, separate 756 00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:35,670 accounting, and then we've registered and as a, as a unit 757 00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:37,980 to comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we 758 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:41,250 have a notice and a policy and a mechanism for people to submit 759 00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:45,570 requests, and what that, you know, per the law, and that 760 00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:51,000 gives us section 230 protections from, you know, and then the 761 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,890 other things we're not doing. We're not being an editor of 762 00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:59,070 content is the other thing is drawing that line of what we're 763 00:47:59,070 --> 00:48:03,540 going to do, and you know, how far we're gonna go with the rest 764 00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:03,780 of it. 765 00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:08,400 But what's interesting is that comes right down to the section 766 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,700 230 discussion that's ongoing with the social media companies 767 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:15,450 is, you know, when is it editorial? Just because, you 768 00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:18,120 know, like, I didn't like what that guy said, I'm taking that 769 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,080 comment off, or I don't want you know, let's say, it's just so 770 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:26,070 when it comes to comments and stuff, man, there's a lot of 771 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:28,710 things you got to write about. There's so much and so many, if 772 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:31,680 you want to do moderation, you need real tools, and not just 773 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,610 the command line, nuke this or hide that. Yeah, I 774 00:48:35,609 --> 00:48:41,069 don't, I don't know that I have the the background to cover the 775 00:48:41,069 --> 00:48:45,659 comments and what's involved there. And the liabilities that 776 00:48:45,659 --> 00:48:49,259 that would open up and how you protect yourself from that. I 777 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:52,799 mean, he should because he's operating and he's making money, 778 00:48:52,799 --> 00:48:56,159 or at least he spending money, he should probably set up some 779 00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:01,049 sort of business. And, and and do that from No, I don't Yeah, 780 00:49:01,049 --> 00:49:01,559 right. Yeah, 781 00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:04,830 that I'm sure that I'm just I think that a lot of people are 782 00:49:04,830 --> 00:49:07,560 just now starting to think about the implications because the 783 00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:10,980 these apps matter, you got real users and the real thing is 784 00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:15,750 taking place. Probably the thing that you've looked at the most 785 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:23,610 is the US regulation towards crypto Bitcoin in particular. 786 00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:29,430 That may or may not affect what we're doing moving forward. 787 00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:35,880 Right, like a lot of the countries that are part of the F 788 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,430 ATF and slash Gaffey, the financial whatever they held 789 00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:44,340 Task Force, they have their recommendations with crypto and 790 00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:46,410 they have all their member countries and a lot of those 791 00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:48,780 member countries are taking those recommendations seriously. 792 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:51,780 So in a lot of ways, what's coming in the US is going to 793 00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:55,500 happen in a lot of other member countries, eu and everybody 794 00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:01,110 else. Yeah, and I've been you know, I'm watching Trying to 795 00:50:01,110 --> 00:50:05,940 gauge what's coming. You know, and like it, like the way you 796 00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:09,480 brought me in to be a part of this was really to kind of 797 00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:14,040 bridge what you guys want to do. And reconciling that with 798 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,980 current laws and making sure that everything's laying on wall 799 00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:23,070 wolfssl recovered and just, you know, it's we're compliant and 800 00:50:23,070 --> 00:50:25,500 we end when you know someone wants to come ask questions we 801 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:26,070 can say, Okay, well 802 00:50:26,070 --> 00:50:26,490 Here you go. 803 00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:31,590 I would say the number one argument we have with Eric is 804 00:50:32,070 --> 00:50:36,390 know your customer. We need to know who these people are. And 805 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:39,930 Dave now got no, no, we don't know. We will just shut it down, 806 00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:44,520 man. We don't want to know anyone. And I love and I really 807 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,330 do love that friction. Because Eric, you totally are the guy 808 00:50:48,330 --> 00:50:52,890 who has to ask the crap questions and be the buzzkill. 809 00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:55,740 And it's really appreciate it because it's it sucks. 810 00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:58,860 Sometimes, you know, and you get someone's opinion aid like me, 811 00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:03,090 like, I'm ready to cut anybody down. Although I've I've gotten 812 00:51:03,090 --> 00:51:08,940 better. But it's important, it really is an important function 813 00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:13,320 to keep everything running. And it also really helps determine 814 00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:17,370 what we can do what we should be doing and the path for podcasts 815 00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:18,300 index itself. 816 00:51:18,989 --> 00:51:24,989 Right. And and it's it's just my you know, I guess I'm the 817 00:51:24,989 --> 00:51:29,429 buzzkill in the room. Cuz I feel now we can't do that. Here's 818 00:51:29,429 --> 00:51:33,359 why. You know, which sucks. But you know, because I am 819 00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:37,889 supportive, and I understand and I see the sides, but I have to 820 00:51:37,889 --> 00:51:40,079 be that normie buzzkill. 821 00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:47,760 You're gonna love this. I was talking to mark Hall. He's a 822 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,650 documentary filmmaker here in Austin, who I've known for gosh, 823 00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:58,920 I've known him for eight years or so. And he saw animated no 824 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,920 agenda working on I think pod friend, Ben, he says, Hey, Adam, 825 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,950 is a whole universe right now have documentary filmmakers who 826 00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:14,940 have films who cannot get onto the streaming platforms, they're 827 00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:18,990 not even accepted. They can't monetize. If they can monetize. 828 00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:22,410 It's, it's it's worse than Spotify how little money they 829 00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:27,810 get. He says, everyone is so desperate. We really want to see 830 00:52:27,810 --> 00:52:32,400 can we fit within this stuff that you're doing? And I said, 831 00:52:32,430 --> 00:52:36,690 Well, yes. Why don't we you know, of course, what they would 832 00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:41,670 love is an app that said, documentary film app. I said, 833 00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:43,560 Well, I don't know if you actually want that incident 834 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,850 being it just consider this as a as a podcast, a very long 835 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:53,250 episode. And what he's what he's committed to is, he feels that 836 00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:56,910 he he feels that the value from that value model will work 837 00:52:56,910 --> 00:53:01,380 because all of these films, they always have, although often not 838 00:53:01,380 --> 00:53:04,680 much, but they have budget for promotion. And they really would 839 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:10,860 love to promote value for value documentary consumption through 840 00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:14,280 podcasting, 2.0, and he's committed his, I would say 841 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,590 outstanding documentary killing ed to be the first one. And so 842 00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:23,340 the challenge and yeah, if we could make it work, and if and 843 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,090 yet I just make it work, I would say he will, he will go out and 844 00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:29,490 he will tell everyone to come and do this. And he says he 845 00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:31,350 thinks there's a couple of people who would jump on pretty 846 00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:37,350 quick. And so the challenge is, we need someone who can help him 847 00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:40,920 with this. Okay, and he's got the video file. And that's and 848 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,590 I'm just bringing this up, Eric, just because it's going to be so 849 00:53:43,590 --> 00:53:48,240 much fun. We get into copyright and royalties. It's 850 00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:51,600 so much fun. 851 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,980 It's gonna be I'm sure he owns everything outright. But if I 852 00:53:55,980 --> 00:54:00,090 don't know if Alex's game if he wants to work with the with the 853 00:54:00,090 --> 00:54:03,630 video and just, you know, how do we get a proper RSS feed, maybe 854 00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:07,800 we only really need to feed with one entry. But he also sees the 855 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,350 benefits as holy crap the transcripts, he so we know 856 00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:14,790 transcript needs to be run. I'm sure that there may be someone 857 00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:19,410 out there who's listening who wants to participate in what 858 00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:23,790 we're doing at podcasting. 2.0 and I'm sure the the the parties 859 00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:27,480 involved, like Alex, etc. Everyone will meet on podcast 860 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,390 index on social and let's get this done. Because I know if I 861 00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:32,580 commit to doing it, it's going to suck it's not going to 862 00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:35,910 happen. Right? It's it's going to be frustrating for me, and it 863 00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:39,660 won't be as good as it could be. And you know, we need to he 864 00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:42,840 would like to do chapters and and he'll work he'll do whatever 865 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,590 is necessary. 866 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,830 We've got the trailer tag come in this this face. I mean, all 867 00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:51,570 of this stuff fits so perfectly. And I said you know, you don't 868 00:54:51,570 --> 00:54:54,450 really want an independent documentary app. You want this 869 00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:58,170 shit working and just you want to say get a podcasting 2.0 app. 870 00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:02,310 Yeah, every app every Yeah, not one every app. Yeah, but you 871 00:55:02,310 --> 00:55:04,620 know, you gotta break through the spell sometimes. 872 00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:07,080 Anyway, so I wrote in that mindset 873 00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:14,100 it's no one's in the mindset man everyone is. Just go back to the 874 00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,370 I just see people under spell app on Spotify. 875 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,950 Eric, we had our we had our union vote yet. Man Adam would 876 00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:24,270 like to unionize against us. 877 00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:28,050 Yeah, we do. No, no unions. 878 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,360 Did you see the gimlet and ringer ratified their union 879 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,400 contracts with the Writers Guild of America? 880 00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:39,540 No, I didn't. I didn't yet. This is the end of that. 881 00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:43,830 No, here's my favorite part. And let me let me read I have I have 882 00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:51,240 the, the distilled set of points that they agree to. This is my 883 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:55,740 favorite one. Edit editorial snit. Well, let me try this one 884 00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:59,040 first. establishment of new senior titles. That's one of the 885 00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:59,910 things that they want. 886 00:56:01,739 --> 00:56:05,669 Now, the important stuff up top. Yeah, everybody's parking, free 887 00:56:05,669 --> 00:56:08,219 parking. We want more lunch 888 00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:13,710 coupons. Everybody's VP now. And now. And here's my favorite, 889 00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:17,370 though. editorial standards that guarantee that the company will 890 00:56:17,370 --> 00:56:22,110 not modify or fail to publish content based on the direction 891 00:56:22,110 --> 00:56:25,680 of advertisers. And that bargaining unit employees will 892 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,680 not be required to work on advertising and branded content. 893 00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:29,670 Yeah, no, 894 00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:33,330 this is this is that's, that is actually the big issue. And they 895 00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:36,000 they hate the ads that are running on their shows. And they 896 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,330 hate having to work on ads for products that they 897 00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:42,960 philosophically or politically don't agree with. 898 00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:47,490 How can you ever agree to this editorial standards that 899 00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:50,040 guarantee the company will not modify or fail to publish 900 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,780 content based on the direction of advertisers? Yes, the whole 901 00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:56,490 reason you exist. Yeah. 902 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,520 Yeah. Now they don't they don't realize it. And it's sad, 903 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,120 because this is what what I was saying. It's like, go ahead, 904 00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:07,440 you're gonna see what it's like I, I ran a podcasting company, I 905 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,130 ran a podcast network, it can't be done. Everyone gets unhappy 906 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,200 with these people are unhappy because they're getting paid 907 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,010 shit. And they see all these hundreds of millions, like, why 908 00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:20,490 am I still getting paid shit to edit these shows together? The 909 00:57:20,490 --> 00:57:23,700 model of podcasting really doesn't even support an a 910 00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:28,830 separate editor. Yeah, it really doesn't. It's a one man show or 911 00:57:28,830 --> 00:57:32,730 two, whatever you're doing, but you can't be hiring people, you 912 00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:36,660 will not make money that way. Which is why our system is so 913 00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:39,300 beautiful, because everybody gets a split of whatever comes 914 00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:39,660 in. 915 00:57:40,410 --> 00:57:43,680 Yeah. And, and for podcasts index is beautiful, because we 916 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:44,790 don't make any money anyways. 917 00:57:44,790 --> 00:57:49,440 Yeah. Speaking of such Dave, let's, let's thank some of our 918 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:56,070 supporters for this past week. And personally, I think that I 919 00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:58,260 think everyone should congratulate themselves, not on 920 00:57:58,260 --> 00:58:02,010 this show, particularly but the entire boardroom, because we 921 00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:05,220 prepared for what happened, and it happened. And we were ready. 922 00:58:05,550 --> 00:58:09,240 And we were there to step up. And our apps were working. And 923 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,590 we were able to really pick up like 1015 new developers who 924 00:58:13,590 --> 00:58:17,340 were coming in, and not just app developers, but websites with 925 00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:20,100 certain types of functionality. And it's all because of the 926 00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:23,520 support that everyone is put into this project. It's your 927 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,900 time, it's your talent, it's your treasure. And I just gave a 928 00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:31,860 I gave a little challenge there for people to put some time into 929 00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:36,420 something. But people who offer us treasure is equally as 930 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:39,510 important, sometimes more so certainly to keep everything 931 00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:42,930 running. So I go to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom 932 00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:45,270 you see a big red Donate button. That's for your cup bucks 933 00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:49,200 through PayPal, but you can also just boost the crap out of the 934 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,140 show right now. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, get 935 00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:55,950 pod friend breeze the Sphinx chat or even the pod station 936 00:58:55,950 --> 00:59:01,890 browser extension. Learn how to do it. You can and then boost us 937 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,750 and crank those sliders up too. 938 00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:06,300 I was gonna toast you with my pod friend mug but 939 00:59:08,850 --> 00:59:09,390 forget it. 940 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:16,320 I'll just throw it on your pillow. Well, Martin Morrison 941 00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:23,160 from pod friend fame gave us $123.45 12345 a 942 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,020 magic donation Martin. 943 00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:26,460 Thank you so much. 944 00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:29,370 That's unnecessary, but appreciated. 945 00:59:29,759 --> 00:59:34,079 That is $123.45 in US currency. What is the Danish currency 946 00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:34,409 called? 947 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,710 We think it's 17,000 kroner. 948 00:59:38,370 --> 00:59:39,000 No Okay. 949 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,260 The kroner is probably equal to satoshis I'm not sure. I'll bet 950 00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:50,160 you the kroner is actually quite strong. Let me see. Do this 951 00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:51,990 Corona and you know that shits strong You know, 952 00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:52,830 that's no yeah. 953 00:59:54,270 --> 00:59:57,570 Let me see. I think it's the kroner these the Corona, Corona 954 00:59:57,570 --> 00:59:58,170 kroner. 955 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,300 For those countries in that area still have gold backing right or 956 01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:04,770 is it all or is that all gone? Oh, 957 01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:05,430 please. 958 01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:06,810 Okay for those 959 01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:12,480 who don't see what DKK to USD Raiders Hold on, 960 01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:16,170 because I'm afraid we just raided his retirement funds. 961 01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:22,200 Let me see select the currency Yeah, just hurry up people just 962 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,740 give me the functionality. What is going on with this? It's 963 01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:31,830 Martin. Martin says a small gift from pod friend. You guys are 964 01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:34,710 awesome. I'm happy to play a small part in the greatest 965 01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:38,880 movement for distributed free speech in the universe. Oh, 966 01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:39,420 Martin. 967 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:45,870 That's so nice. That's very, very cool. Okay, let me see. So, 968 01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:48,300 did you find that crazy kroner? 969 01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:53,550 Is that what it is? It's 6.18 kronor to the dollar. 970 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,470 Oh, oh, that's worse than Australia. That's not good, 971 01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:58,830 Martin. 972 01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:03,900 You better you better buy some bitcoins on 973 01:01:05,610 --> 01:01:07,170 his exit strategies. Probably. 974 01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:10,620 He's probably he's probably stalking some SATs. Man. We had 975 01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:17,370 a beautiful little exchange with your namesake there. Neal Jones, 976 01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:21,840 who's the clip custodian for no agenda show. And just an FYI. 977 01:01:21,870 --> 01:01:24,570 He's doing clips. And he was he was happy to do it. And I said, 978 01:01:24,570 --> 01:01:27,510 Look, man, I gotta give you 5% of the value blog. Edwards 979 01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:29,430 60,000 SATs you'd already gotten. 980 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,660 Oh, wow. 981 01:01:30,690 --> 01:01:34,380 Yeah, yes. Yeah. He had he had 60,000 SATs in a savings channel 982 01:01:34,890 --> 01:01:40,680 was full. It stopped receiving. I said, Well, okay. Yeah. So we 983 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,670 helped him out with that. But bottom line is that kind of 984 01:01:44,670 --> 01:01:45,390 added up. 985 01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:49,290 Yeah, that's not that's that's not good. Anything to shake a 986 01:01:49,290 --> 01:01:53,220 stick? It was 6600 bucks. 987 01:01:53,610 --> 01:01:57,210 No, no, no. 3037 or something at this point? 988 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,980 No, no, he can take he can take Mrs. Clip custodian to dinner. 989 01:02:05,130 --> 01:02:07,140 I don't know if there's a Mrs. Club custodian. 990 01:02:08,130 --> 01:02:11,610 You can go get one now. Exactly. Big baller. 991 01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:15,090 Hello. Here's my Satoshi Lambo. 992 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,020 Imagine that on your first date from a from a Tinder match or 993 01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:21,630 something like that. You're like, you tell the waitress 994 01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:27,360 you're like, Hey, can I pay and set? Like your dates? Like, what 995 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:32,010 have I gotten myself into? Okay, Michael, Michael valic. Gave us 996 01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:39,540 $25 and no note that I could find all Thank you, Michael. See 997 01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:48,060 here. We got James Lew gave us $5. no note. 998 01:02:48,089 --> 01:02:51,059 Thank you. Thank you, James. Is Dred Scott's wallet still 999 01:02:51,059 --> 01:02:54,179 working? Because I saw that failing on pod versus that still 1000 01:02:54,179 --> 01:02:55,379 was working or not. 1001 01:02:55,859 --> 01:02:58,109 Now I think it's good. Yeah. Last I heard. 1002 01:02:59,460 --> 01:03:01,140 Tell me. Yeah, you got to let us know, man. 1003 01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:08,430 Do and Stuart Eckert gave us $5. no note. Thank you, Stuart. 1004 01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:13,710 Yeah. And I wanted to read. I wanted to read our monthly 1005 01:03:13,740 --> 01:03:16,170 donors that came in this week because I've been bad about not 1006 01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:18,960 doing that. He said he's gonna run Yes, it's really easy to 1007 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:26,040 please do. Larry Hey, sir. Hey, moose gave us $50 droid works, 1008 01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:37,560 LLC. $20. Jeff Miller $20. sees Dred Scott $15. Michael kimmerer 1009 01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:45,180 $5.33. Let's do quotes $6.66. Leslie Martin $2. Terry Keller, 1010 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:52,080 four 411. Aaron, Aaron Renaud $5, Pedro down calvus $5. And 1011 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,530 Kevin ROA $5. So I'm going to be better about that reading those 1012 01:03:55,530 --> 01:03:57,270 ones that come in during the week each week. And 1013 01:03:58,140 --> 01:04:01,170 that's really appreciated. Thank you all so much for keeping us 1014 01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:03,510 keeping everything running keeping us on the road. 1015 01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:06,810 On a post it notes. I'm just gonna do a real tiny one 1016 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:12,570 was there. How are we on on servers? Dave with the with? I 1017 01:04:12,570 --> 01:04:15,810 know, we have increased traffic to the API. Are we good? 1018 01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:19,080 Everything we're oversized? Yeah, we were oversized a bit to 1019 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,240 begin with. So I think we're okay on the database 1020 01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:25,019 stuff. Everything seems everything's okay. Right now, we 1021 01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:28,139 we will have to upsize the database server at some point. 1022 01:04:28,139 --> 01:04:33,599 But I'm just not sure it's right this minute. I mean, I'm just 1023 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:37,619 thinking within the next few weeks. And yeah, then we're 1024 01:04:37,649 --> 01:04:40,709 we're good. It's a big jump from the size we're at now to the 1025 01:04:40,709 --> 01:04:41,819 next step. 1026 01:04:42,029 --> 01:04:42,749 level. Yeah, 1027 01:04:42,810 --> 01:04:45,120 yeah. Yeah. So I'm just trying to make sure that we don't we 1028 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,020 don't do that unnecessarily, but so we're good. So there's a 1029 01:04:49,020 --> 01:04:50,160 couple things 1030 01:04:52,020 --> 01:04:55,920 that you're working on that I think we should discuss. And 1031 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,160 you're I think you're getting ready to present pod Ping. Which 1032 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:04,920 to me feels Like, it's kind of the future of, of the index, and 1033 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,600 its survivability. 1034 01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:11,700 Yeah, I want to, I'm interested to get, get your take on this. 1035 01:05:12,570 --> 01:05:15,030 Eric, because we really hadn't had a chance to talk about this 1036 01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:19,530 is, and I'm almost done with the presentation. For tomorrow, I 1037 01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:20,490 think we're gonna have 1038 01:05:20,609 --> 01:05:22,169 a I think we're doing a thing tomorrow. Yeah. 1039 01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:28,320 Okay. So the pod pain is the is this idea of just basically a 1040 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,200 closed network of hosts must say host me, I should say, hosting 1041 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,000 companies, or what we could call publishers, and subscribers, 1042 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,650 apps and services. So you got host, some publishers on one and 1043 01:05:43,650 --> 01:05:45,900 subscribers on the other, just just the same as you would think 1044 01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:49,110 about a web sub scenario. But it's just a closed system. And 1045 01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:54,000 so there will be any, you know, multiple servers in the middle 1046 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,920 of this system, facilitating a pipeline of updates going from 1047 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:04,320 publishers to subscribers. And I think if we do it, right, we can 1048 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:09,480 solve multiple problems at once. And one will be a way to get to 1049 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,470 rapidly get thede update notifications from publishers to 1050 01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:19,800 subscribers. The other is a way to get new feeds into the open 1051 01:06:20,130 --> 01:06:25,890 RSS ecosystem is one. One thing that's a problem here is that 1052 01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:28,590 you have all these hosts. Okay, so you got the bus route, 1053 01:06:28,590 --> 01:06:33,840 blueberry transistor, cafe, farside, RSS Comm. You got all 1054 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,970 these hosts, independently creating feeds. And in the past 1055 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,170 of for all these years, they've sort of they've congregate, or 1056 01:06:43,170 --> 01:06:47,820 they've, they've been aggregated into a single directory 1057 01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:53,910 somewhere, and app, Apple became sort of the dominant somewhere. 1058 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,650 There's other directories. Now there's us. There's blueberry, 1059 01:06:58,650 --> 01:07:03,480 blah, blah, blah. So these other directories, the problem is they 1060 01:07:03,630 --> 01:07:06,930 they did not always you have to just go find them, almost by 1061 01:07:06,930 --> 01:07:09,720 accident, get to find these feeds, or you have to scrape 1062 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,590 apple. Well, neither one of those are good, accurate, any of 1063 01:07:13,590 --> 01:07:19,020 the any of the above, popping would allow all the hosts or 1064 01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:24,510 hosting companies, publishers, podcast publishers, to have a 1065 01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:30,870 pipeline into all of the into into anybody who's listening. So 1066 01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:34,020 they would, anytime that they did a feed on their network 1067 01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:38,400 updates, they'll send an email send an update pane, anytime a 1068 01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:44,220 podcast gets created on their network, they can send a ping to 1069 01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:49,140 let everybody know, a new podcast was just born on my 1070 01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:53,340 system. So everybody gets notified that there's now a new 1071 01:07:53,340 --> 01:07:59,400 podcast in the world, within, you know, 10 minutes. And that 1072 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:07,290 lets us not depend on any one directory to have to have the 1073 01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:11,340 source of truth, or to be the Yellow Pages. Everybody can just 1074 01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:17,370 know automatically that a new fade was created. And then the 1075 01:08:17,370 --> 01:08:23,460 other thing that it did, it solves to me is the ability to 1076 01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:27,390 create a universal podcast identifier, which is something 1077 01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:29,940 we've never had, you know, everywhere. Everybody's trying 1078 01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:31,740 to use iTunes IDs and stuff 1079 01:08:31,799 --> 01:08:34,529 seems like this a dying a dying idea. 1080 01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:38,640 Well, yeah, I mean, and apples, the one that killed it. Yeah, 1081 01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:42,480 you know, by making it unreliable. Now, you can't now 1082 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:46,350 you can't depend on a podcast being on an iTunes ID being able 1083 01:08:46,350 --> 01:08:49,950 to return a Feed URL. Right? So what good does the iTunes Id 1084 01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:53,940 give you anymore? So anyway, that's that's the whole idea 1085 01:08:53,940 --> 01:09:00,900 behind behind this, this system and is closed, so that it's 1086 01:09:00,900 --> 01:09:05,430 closed, so that you can so that you can make things easier and 1087 01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:08,130 more efficient. So that you don't have to depend you don't 1088 01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:11,970 have to we go through all these hoops to weed out bad actors. 1089 01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:14,430 And that kind of stuff is basically just a registration 1090 01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:17,430 process that you have to go through to sign up on the 1091 01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:20,910 publisher side. Anybody can listen, they'll still be a 1092 01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:23,340 registration process. Anybody can listen, but there will there 1093 01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:25,800 will have to be approval process decentralized 1094 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,670 is the process that that Apple has held traditionally. 1095 01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:32,250 Yes, that's a great way to describe it. And 1096 01:09:32,730 --> 01:09:36,570 so how does it work? Where What are we pinging? Where does that 1097 01:09:36,570 --> 01:09:40,470 server live? who maintains that? Is that? Is that centralized? 1098 01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:41,370 What what's the deal? 1099 01:09:42,330 --> 01:09:45,870 Well, it will be a group. It'll be a group of servers is the 1100 01:09:45,870 --> 01:09:53,070 idea. So you have a vaccinated? Yeah. So we clearly we would run 1101 01:09:53,070 --> 01:09:57,360 one. And maybe a hosting company could run one, you know, 1102 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,990 somebody, most browsers might run one. If they wanted to note. 1103 01:10:01,140 --> 01:10:05,040 Yeah, yeah, no. And so. So here's the here's the critical 1104 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:13,290 piece is the D is you have a DNS entry, you have an a record for, 1105 01:10:14,849 --> 01:10:15,479 for 1106 01:10:16,740 --> 01:10:26,880 pod pain cloud. And there in that a record is a little can 1107 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,170 list multiple hosts. So throughout the round robin, 1108 01:10:32,010 --> 01:10:36,120 Round Robin, so if there's let's just say there's six pod ping 1109 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:41,670 servers in the world, then one of them, you get one of them a 1110 01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:45,840 random one each time. And so each one of the piping servers 1111 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,350 needs to be able to fully service a request from start to 1112 01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:54,900 finish all the way through. And that way, there's no dependence 1113 01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:59,820 on one on one single point of failure. And if there's, let's 1114 01:10:59,820 --> 01:11:05,610 just say six 710 of these things, they can all efficiently 1115 01:11:05,610 --> 01:11:12,210 run the entire thing on their own if need be. So in that way, 1116 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,810 you only have one DNS, and so all the hosts all the hosts, all 1117 01:11:15,810 --> 01:11:19,830 the publishers know that all they have to do is is ping is 1118 01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:23,040 send an update to pain cloud slash. All right, 1119 01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:26,430 I'm going to take you up the stack one more step, pod. Ping 1120 01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:30,570 cloud, who has that? Me? Okay, that's all I needed to hear. 1121 01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:34,800 You think I was born yesterday? I learned I learned from 1122 01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:38,190 I learned by watching you okay. 1123 01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:42,120 Yeah, you have an idea and need a DNS. That's the first thing 1124 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,010 you do. Right? Yeah. 1125 01:11:44,460 --> 01:11:50,700 I only have 2000. Yeah, well, now I'm starting to when I get 1126 01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:54,690 the, the, it's time for renewal. I'm starting to go in and get 1127 01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:55,290 rid of some. 1128 01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,200 That's a big bill. You have to 1129 01:11:58,470 --> 01:12:01,470 but if you've got if you got an idea, I've got a domain name for 1130 01:12:01,470 --> 01:12:01,650 it. 1131 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,070 Let's make a deal. You 1132 01:12:05,070 --> 01:12:06,840 know, so they read you some of my domain names. 1133 01:12:07,289 --> 01:12:08,519 Yes, please. Okay. 1134 01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:16,710 24 seven gaga.com 99 fists.com 1135 01:12:16,890 --> 01:12:17,820 Whoa, what 1136 01:12:17,820 --> 01:12:19,950 is that? I don't like a kung fu 1137 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,250 I was gonna go but okay. 1138 01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:29,820 These these don't resolve anywhere as far as I know. Or 1139 01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:35,610 not all of them. Let me see. What else do I have? astrology 1140 01:12:35,610 --> 01:12:39,450 therapist? comm Barry and joe.com you can know where that 1141 01:12:39,450 --> 01:12:45,270 comes from. Bias bing.com Come on, come on. Come on. Big Book 1142 01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:47,310 show which was actually something real 1143 01:12:47,789 --> 01:12:49,919 Yeah, remember that? We had a free patroller set up for that. 1144 01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:54,570 Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. What else do I have? Oh my gosh. 1145 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,940 Chrome pof.com No idea. 1146 01:12:57,330 --> 01:12:58,050 What is that? I 1147 01:12:58,050 --> 01:13:04,830 have no idea Clinton 990 dot org foundation Yes. Right. That's 1148 01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:11,280 exactly right. New war new woke order not calm. I think that's 1149 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:12,030 not too bad. 1150 01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:16,680 No agenda hams calm. That's real. I'm just skipping around 1151 01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,580 here. I'll just do one more. One more page. Holy crap. I got a 1152 01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:27,030 lot. Oh, ROM comcast.com I'm pretty Rona radio.com that's one 1153 01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:28,500 of my favorites. That one's working. 1154 01:13:28,949 --> 01:13:31,409 That's a good one. Is that is that redirect some brands that 1155 01:13:31,409 --> 01:13:31,829 nogen 1156 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,140 probably let me see it goes to 1157 01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:36,600 Oh, no. 1158 01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:43,200 Oh, wait. No, well, a second. I was not dead. Rona rady I think 1159 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,470 it was going to something else before I change that. What does 1160 01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:50,760 it go to now? Yeah, no agenda show. Yeah. 1161 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:57,420 Okay. So by the way, set soundbites. Sam Sethi to answer 1162 01:13:57,420 --> 01:14:00,840 your question. sound bites have no limit. They can be as long as 1163 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,980 you want them to be. The recommendation in the spec is 1164 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,500 1515 to 120 seconds. So between 15 seconds to two minutes. But 1165 01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:13,290 that's just a recommendation. There's nothing in the spec that 1166 01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:15,900 are arbitrarily limited to I mean, you could have a one hour 1167 01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:17,850 soundbite if you wanted to. So, anyway, 1168 01:14:17,970 --> 01:14:26,250 FYI. And then I wanted to ask you, Dave, yes. Your thoughts on 1169 01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:31,620 what tomorrow will undoubtedly be a continuation of the 1170 01:14:31,620 --> 01:14:38,430 previous Saturday's conversation about comments. And and I mean, 1171 01:14:38,430 --> 01:14:40,650 because now it's kind of comments, activity, pub 1172 01:14:40,650 --> 01:14:44,490 activity, Bob, and then all the things that can do. There's, you 1173 01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:49,590 know, there's many different opinions that were voice and I 1174 01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:53,820 love all the opinions. It feels like we're kind of stagnating 1175 01:14:53,820 --> 01:14:57,510 because of just, you know, someone's got to do something or 1176 01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:59,490 implement something and I'm pretty sure what's going to 1177 01:14:59,490 --> 01:15:04,440 happen as well. Martin is going to do something. Yeah. So I was 1178 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:07,380 just curious where your thoughts are? You know, 1179 01:15:07,410 --> 01:15:08,730 no judgment. No judge. 1180 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,580 Yeah. No, I'm just letting them have. I'm just, I'm just letting 1181 01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:13,440 him do that. Well, that's the same thing. 1182 01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,780 Yeah, you guys figure it out. But it'd be great if we could do 1183 01:15:15,780 --> 01:15:16,050 it. 1184 01:15:16,740 --> 01:15:21,690 Yeah, I just see us as sort of a an ancillary, like, we'll just 1185 01:15:21,690 --> 01:15:24,600 jump on board with whatever they think is, is the right way to 1186 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,210 go. Right? Because that really don't have I mean, to me, that's 1187 01:15:27,210 --> 01:15:30,330 an app centric feature. I don't even think that. 1188 01:15:31,170 --> 01:15:33,930 But the index is being discussed continuously is one of the 1189 01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:37,680 solutions to create the base record of the base post. And, 1190 01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:41,070 you know, there's a lot of that talk going on. Well, I 1191 01:15:41,070 --> 01:15:44,070 would love to be able to show them on the index connected to 1192 01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:48,120 each podcast page. That would be cool. Do you know about this, 1193 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,860 Eric? Do you know about the activity pub stuff? 1194 01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:53,010 No, I haven't. I mean, I've I haven't dug into 1195 01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:57,510 it, you know, activity pub at all. And I like how that okay, 1196 01:15:57,510 --> 01:16:00,660 no, yeah. So basically, they're trying to figure out how to have 1197 01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:03,840 a distributed community, you know, like chat thing that's 1198 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,850 attached to a podcast. So that you know what, one beat up 1199 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,840 somebody comment on a podcast or chat in a column on a podcast 1200 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,100 over here on pod friend, and then it shows up in pod Bert. Or 1201 01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:21,060 we know that that kind of thing. And that's all in basically 1202 01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:27,480 federated just like, like a mastodon. And that's, I would 1203 01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:29,790 love to be able to show that and like, just sort of be a member 1204 01:16:29,790 --> 01:16:35,070 of that thing. And be a participant in federate. But, to 1205 01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:41,460 me, it all really originates in the app. So I would prefer that 1206 01:16:42,030 --> 01:16:45,690 they, you know, sort of figure out what the best solution is. 1207 01:16:46,050 --> 01:16:49,050 And then we just kind of participate where we, where it 1208 01:16:49,050 --> 01:16:53,700 makes sense. Because I don't I mean, I've got, honestly, I've 1209 01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:56,820 got a backlog of stuff I need to research anyway. And it's just 1210 01:16:56,820 --> 01:17:00,270 too much I can't, you know, I can't even I can't stick 1211 01:17:00,270 --> 01:17:03,450 activity pub in my brain right now. There's none of room. 1212 01:17:04,590 --> 01:17:07,650 That's kind of where I'm at. where, you know, I saw it kind 1213 01:17:07,650 --> 01:17:10,020 of floating around. I just haven't I don't have the 1214 01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:11,700 bandwidth at the moment to focus. 1215 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,140 Yeah, it's like not meant to do research list is, you know, the, 1216 01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:19,830 like the web, the web sub listing stuff from john Spurlock 1217 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:26,310 the activity pub thing, pod paying. There's not trailers, 1218 01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:32,790 it's chat, candles, the channels in the namespace. And also, 1219 01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:36,720 there's like this premium subscription, public private key 1220 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,700 thing that they're trying to talk about, it's just too much. 1221 01:17:39,150 --> 01:17:43,500 So I have no I'm just sort of like mentally the just staying 1222 01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:45,870 at a distance when the activity pub thing but I hope I hope they 1223 01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:48,660 figure something out. Because I mean, I'd love to just, I'd love 1224 01:17:48,660 --> 01:17:52,860 to plug into it. I just feel like it needs to originate in 1225 01:17:52,860 --> 01:17:57,060 the apps though, because they're the ones where we don't want to 1226 01:17:57,060 --> 01:18:01,800 put a thing on our website. So I think they need to do that. 1227 01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:03,510 Yeah. Yeah. 1228 01:18:04,770 --> 01:18:07,320 I'd be in the same I mean, what it just at the moment they're 1229 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,740 gonna have to run with it because we've got a few other 1230 01:18:10,740 --> 01:18:12,090 things in the fire. So 1231 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:17,640 phase three, phase three, the namespace will be will be a big 1232 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:22,200 push in May. Because will we really want I would really like 1233 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:28,290 to get trailers out the door. And was the other one there's 1234 01:18:28,290 --> 01:18:31,110 trade there's trailers, recommendations, I don't think 1235 01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:33,300 is going to make it out the door this time. It's just too big of 1236 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:37,050 a thing. We're we've got to talk about that. More. This 1237 01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:39,810 definitely put it high on the next list because it's a great 1238 01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:44,070 idea. I think it is, too. Yeah. Hold on it. What Hey, what 1239 01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:44,760 the hell? 1240 01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:46,620 What the Hell yeah. Yeah, crank this. 1241 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,090 Time first. namespace. 1242 01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:56,820 See what is? 1243 01:18:57,390 --> 01:18:58,740 Where's the namespace? 1244 01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:00,900 Yeah, what are we what are we? What are we doing? What are what 1245 01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:04,170 the where are we at? What's the and I just want to thank 1246 01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:11,070 Benjamin Bellamy, Moshe Bellamy, my bellami mobile. I mean, I 1247 01:19:11,070 --> 01:19:15,960 should say, I know you're thinking of me, man. I really 1248 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,620 can't wait to use Casta pod so I can be implementing all of these 1249 01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:23,220 great new features. I'm a content creator, not a fighter. 1250 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,180 I will make you so proud. I will author such beautiful content 1251 01:19:27,180 --> 01:19:28,680 with you cast the bud system. 1252 01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:33,900 This is a sense of French Thank you. 1253 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:39,330 I've been working on it. Well, you know, I have never ever been 1254 01:19:39,330 --> 01:19:42,750 able to had the opportunity to work with anyone in France. 1255 01:19:43,950 --> 01:19:48,630 There's just it's like they did their own thing and I've never 1256 01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:51,420 encountered them in any kind of business. I've always wondered 1257 01:19:51,420 --> 01:19:57,270 why. And I love working with them. Especially these guys. Is 1258 01:19:57,270 --> 01:20:00,480 it Benjamin and is it PSE and Who? 1259 01:20:00,930 --> 01:20:07,170 Yes seen that's the way I'm saying it what a SSIN yeah yeah, 1260 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:07,920 I think it's just me 1261 01:20:08,459 --> 01:20:11,969 you know the these are freedom fighters man now of course they 1262 01:20:11,969 --> 01:20:14,609 got money from the socialist French government but that's 1263 01:20:14,609 --> 01:20:17,759 great because because they're bringing it right to us I love 1264 01:20:17,759 --> 01:20:21,659 that they're bringing all their time and talent now but that I 1265 01:20:21,659 --> 01:20:25,919 mean that is it should almost be illegal for them to do that when 1266 01:20:25,919 --> 01:20:26,609 you think about it 1267 01:20:26,609 --> 01:20:28,889 what Americans 1268 01:20:29,130 --> 01:20:31,440 that's a legitimate way to fight the system though is 1269 01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:35,040 yes when the system I love I love it it to me that that's 1270 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,760 like part of the partners arms, you know that they're really for 1271 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,320 they are the resistance, but 1272 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:44,190 they are the French Ron Swanson is what they are. They're 1273 01:20:45,330 --> 01:20:48,810 libertarians who take a job in government just to subvert it 1274 01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:49,470 from the inside out 1275 01:20:49,470 --> 01:20:51,810 what they didn't, they just took the money. They just wrote up 1276 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,300 said here that we need this for this money is very important. 1277 01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:54,630 Boom, 1278 01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:55,500 even easier. 1279 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,890 I love that. I love that anyway, I know it's hard. And I know 1280 01:21:01,890 --> 01:21:04,020 they're gonna get something up and running for me. And I can't 1281 01:21:04,020 --> 01:21:06,630 wait. That's all I just need to weekly reminder. 1282 01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:12,090 trailers and license license. That's that's the two that were 1283 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:17,400 licenses. And and, and we should probably hear from Eric for 1284 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,240 another minute or two about the license thing personally, I'll 1285 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,480 give you my take first. I've always put all of my content 1286 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,840 under Creative Commons. I've fought it in court and one 1287 01:21:28,710 --> 01:21:31,590 jurisprudence, I set jurisprudence for the Creative 1288 01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:35,220 Commons. A system you can look it up. 1289 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,410 When you the first case on it. 1290 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:42,060 Yes, I was the first to take a case to court in Dutch court. 1291 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,120 And, and to have it acknowledged, 1292 01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:48,270 is anything you can talk about? Can you tell that story? 1293 01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:53,580 Yeah, magazine, took pictures off of my website and put them 1294 01:21:53,580 --> 01:21:59,160 on the cover of a gossip magazine. And I said, You can't 1295 01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,720 do that when it's my copyright that I and it says copyright 1296 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,440 right there as Creative Commons non commercial. And they said 1297 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:09,480 that you shared it on your blogs, because it's like, if I 1298 01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:14,250 share it on my blog, you can't just take that. And this, of 1299 01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:16,590 course, didn't get a lot of money for it. But more 1300 01:22:16,590 --> 01:22:22,080 importantly, if they ever did that again, then it's some crazy 1301 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:29,130 amount of like, you know, 10,000 euros per copy per day. Like I'd 1302 01:22:29,130 --> 01:22:32,490 be a billionaire overnight or something. But that, but that 1303 01:22:32,490 --> 01:22:35,460 wasn't the point. The point was, was to prove that it was valid, 1304 01:22:35,460 --> 01:22:38,220 that you can have your own copyright independent of 1305 01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:42,300 copyright organizations. And that stood up. And I really 1306 01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:45,000 liked that. Now, it's technically not the same as a 1307 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:50,580 license. And I think that's where we get into the weeds. And 1308 01:22:50,580 --> 01:22:55,350 I'd like to not get I'd like to put parameters around this 1309 01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:59,940 particular tag. So we don't just have endless conversations about 1310 01:22:59,940 --> 01:23:03,630 what works, what doesn't what it is. Eric, we're gonna be looking 1311 01:23:03,630 --> 01:23:05,460 to you for some guidance on this, I think. 1312 01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:12,150 Yeah. Well, I mean, it kind of came up with certain apps that, 1313 01:23:12,510 --> 01:23:18,660 you know, how do we I guess, what are the you know, I want 1314 01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:21,780 the license tag, because it would be nice if the podcaster 1315 01:23:21,900 --> 01:23:25,470 or the producing the feed that the feed had some sort of, 1316 01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:29,340 here's the here's where here's the terms, I'm releasing this 1317 01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:32,280 under the same way you posted on your blog, it's the same thing 1318 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:37,500 with the RSS feed newbie, nice if we had that in house, you 1319 01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:38,700 know, record of that, 1320 01:23:38,820 --> 01:23:44,160 right? Well, as long as we can, as long as we can get to the 1321 01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:47,370 what it is quickly, or what needs to what, because you know, 1322 01:23:47,370 --> 01:23:50,220 everyone has a different system a different idea. And that's 1323 01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:53,550 what I'm worried about. It's like, ah, please, no, they 1324 01:23:53,550 --> 01:23:57,150 put the, they can put the CAG in their feed, I mean, you can put 1325 01:23:57,150 --> 01:24:02,280 it in there as that is part of the namespace tags of what the, 1326 01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:04,620 you know, the Creative Commons, and you can put that in, and 1327 01:24:04,620 --> 01:24:07,050 that's all we need. And we can then parse it as part of the 1328 01:24:07,050 --> 01:24:09,720 feed. And that's it. That's the simplest way to do it. And if 1329 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,610 you don't want to do it, then you don't do okay. And 1330 01:24:11,610 --> 01:24:13,860 it doesn't matter what it is. You could serve, I would just 1331 01:24:13,860 --> 01:24:16,980 put my creative commons license in there. 1332 01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:21,030 Yeah, you're just saying here's the here's the license. I'm 1333 01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:23,640 putting I'm doing this feed under right here. So at least we 1334 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,740 know the ground rules like what I'm allowed to do with the 1335 01:24:25,740 --> 01:24:28,680 content that you're serving. Okay, good done. Next tag. 1336 01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:33,510 But what does that mean, though? I mean, like, what does it mean 1337 01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:39,750 if I, okay, let's say that I'm listening to Scott Horton, Scott 1338 01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:47,520 Horton show and he puts in a a license in his feed. That is, 1339 01:24:48,090 --> 01:24:51,360 let's just say some creative commons for Cheryl. I don't know 1340 01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:56,790 that I know what they are share, like, thing, right? Um, what 1341 01:24:56,790 --> 01:25:00,390 does that mean for the index? I mean, is that up Does that 1342 01:25:00,390 --> 01:25:02,310 license apply to us at that point? 1343 01:25:05,490 --> 01:25:09,120 I don't see it again, this gets into where we need to talk to 1344 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,780 the attorneys on copyright and all that because it would be 1345 01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:13,650 attorneys. 1346 01:25:13,650 --> 01:25:14,820 I don't like this. I don't like this. 1347 01:25:14,820 --> 01:25:17,040 Yeah. I don't like this direction of this conversation. 1348 01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:18,810 Bad turn. 1349 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:26,640 No, it's it's, it's, it's in a lot of ways. It's not. For us, 1350 01:25:26,670 --> 01:25:32,520 it's for the apps, who are just, you know, who are serving this 1351 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,700 content. And we're, we're serving content, 1352 01:25:35,730 --> 01:25:38,610 we're serving content on our homepage we're serving content 1353 01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:42,090 was there's no difference. There's no difference there. 1354 01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:43,200 What if we just 1355 01:25:43,470 --> 01:25:47,220 lay that license? If we detect a license? What if we just display 1356 01:25:47,220 --> 01:25:49,680 it to the to the end user like, okay, here, we found this 1357 01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:54,840 license, here's the license, like a badge on the site. If we 1358 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:55,860 just go along? 1359 01:25:57,060 --> 01:25:59,190 I don't even know if it has to go that far. I just think it has 1360 01:25:59,190 --> 01:26:02,190 to be available if we have it if they've given it to us. But 1361 01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:02,760 who's driving? 1362 01:26:02,970 --> 01:26:05,640 Is this your tag? Eric? Is this all you or is this coming from 1363 01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,530 somewhere else? Because I thought it came from somewhere 1364 01:26:07,530 --> 01:26:08,070 else? 1365 01:26:08,999 --> 01:26:10,679 I'm not driving somewhere else? I 1366 01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,030 think it came from Benjamin Bellamy. 1367 01:26:12,150 --> 01:26:12,720 Okay. 1368 01:26:13,650 --> 01:26:17,310 I know. I just want to I just want to make sure we track it. 1369 01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:17,760 Yeah. 1370 01:26:17,999 --> 01:26:22,289 Okay, here's an idea. we approve the tag, put it in phase three. 1371 01:26:22,859 --> 01:26:25,109 And then we ignore it and act like it doesn't exist. Yeah. 1372 01:26:25,109 --> 01:26:26,279 Like, that was good. 1373 01:26:26,460 --> 01:26:30,420 That's that's a great strategy. I However, what I would do as I 1374 01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:35,310 would put the same thing I bake into my mp3 file. Let me see if 1375 01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:40,080 I can actually bring it up here while it's running. Yeah, I 1376 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,010 have. 1377 01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:44,250 Where is it here? 1378 01:26:45,660 --> 01:26:46,320 I'm sorry, I 1379 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,660 got a license in the in the id 310. Yeah, 1380 01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:53,100 bake it into the ID three tag in its Creative Commons, something 1381 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,580 to basically it's Creative Commons, whatever the tag on 1382 01:26:56,700 --> 01:27:01,770 that CC, and then there's a URL. So be that's what it would be. 1383 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,310 That would be your pair. It's the it's this license. And 1384 01:27:05,310 --> 01:27:08,790 here's the URL to it. Right? And I would use that I would put 1385 01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:11,280 that in there. I mean, I don't know what good It does. But I 1386 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:15,870 could, if I wanted to, I guess I, here's how I might use it. 1387 01:27:16,290 --> 01:27:20,250 Hey, I don't want to be your crappy site that that is 1388 01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:26,040 offering me a homepage for my for my content, take it off. And 1389 01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,260 here's my here's my license, that's and I can change the 1390 01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:31,230 license if I want to make you take it off, you know, or I 1391 01:27:31,230 --> 01:27:33,300 don't want you to do it that way. Or what you know, is 1392 01:27:33,330 --> 01:27:35,910 different levels of license you can put in there. I don't want 1393 01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:38,640 an ad next to it. Like now it's like a non commercial. So you 1394 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,340 can't do that. That's when that's when it's handy. Just so 1395 01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:43,440 you have a stick behind the door, I think 1396 01:27:44,610 --> 01:27:48,510 Well, I think that's part of the the idea of doing the admin so 1397 01:27:48,510 --> 01:27:51,030 that if someone doesn't want their feed removed from the 1398 01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:54,570 index, they can just go in and you know, 1399 01:27:54,690 --> 01:27:57,300 yes, filter it when you remove your feed from the index, your 1400 01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:59,100 account disappears at the same time. 1401 01:28:01,230 --> 01:28:05,880 I don't like I don't like creating things that make that 1402 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,690 give people the power to tell me what to do. So I don't like 1403 01:28:10,980 --> 01:28:13,860 giving them away to opt out if they want to opt out. I don't 1404 01:28:13,860 --> 01:28:16,530 think anyone's gonna do it. Is that petty? Wait a minute, 1405 01:28:17,370 --> 01:28:20,070 giving people power and expecting them to be disciplined 1406 01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:22,980 about it? completely insane. Yeah. Okay. 1407 01:28:24,030 --> 01:28:26,940 There's a couple of ISOs here that I don't even know what they 1408 01:28:26,940 --> 01:28:27,570 are anymore. 1409 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,450 Okay. I'm gonna go through them. I'm gonna go through 1410 01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:33,750 sexual sorcery. What is that? 1411 01:28:34,529 --> 01:28:35,279 Okay, Dave. I 1412 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,320 don't know what podcasts you're listening to. But that's 1413 01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:38,610 our bell. That's our bell. 1414 01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:41,370 I got the job. 1415 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:50,220 Say aliens. Oh, it's aliens. Pretty good. 1416 01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:52,050 I love my love Zack. 1417 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,680 Okay, that's the best one. That's the best one. I love my 1418 01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:56,880 love sacks. Why 1419 01:28:56,910 --> 01:28:58,470 love My love sack, 1420 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,370 brother. That's end of show right here. Okay, I don't know 1421 01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:02,520 where 1422 01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:02,940 I got this. 1423 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:04,680 I don't want to know. 1424 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,210 I do it so you don't have 99 fifths calm. 1425 01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:13,860 I still got to figure out what that idea was about. Don't do 1426 01:29:13,860 --> 01:29:13,980 it. 1427 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,460 The past is an old chapter of your life if 1428 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,020 you were young, my dad, my Amsterdam days. 1429 01:29:26,580 --> 01:29:29,370 The way the way this projects going, we might need that domain 1430 01:29:29,370 --> 01:29:30,030 name so 1431 01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,400 don't mind Eric. 1432 01:29:33,180 --> 01:29:34,980 I'm waiting on the porn guys to show up. 1433 01:29:37,170 --> 01:29:41,160 You know, when they do show up, you know, you know satoshis be 1434 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:45,600 flowing baby. tell you that and think about how cool it could 1435 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,900 be. You can have your value block split for the actor, the 1436 01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:51,240 actress for the fluffer for the stunt double. 1437 01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:53,730 For the floor cleaner. 1438 01:29:55,170 --> 01:29:57,210 They'd only stream sets for three minutes. 1439 01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,260 Is it once in one minutes? 30 seconds 1440 01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:08,910 per minute. 1441 01:30:11,849 --> 01:30:14,549 I think we've had quite enough I'm going to wrap up this board 1442 01:30:14,549 --> 01:30:18,059 meeting Let's leave on a Hi, Eric Thank you very much. It's 1443 01:30:18,059 --> 01:30:20,759 good to hear your voice and I'm sure we'll be hearing you on on 1444 01:30:20,759 --> 01:30:24,269 the podcast more in the future. And he is of course Eric at 1445 01:30:24,269 --> 01:30:28,709 podcast index dot social. How that was very funny. Dave, 1446 01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:31,649 anything for you as we wrap this up for today? Yeah, I 1447 01:30:31,650 --> 01:30:33,240 just need a Kleenex to wet the tears. 1448 01:30:34,770 --> 01:30:37,170 Alright, everybody, please remember it is a value for value 1449 01:30:37,170 --> 01:30:39,720 project, go to podcast index.org. Scroll down to the 1450 01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,440 bottom we have a big red Donate button and we should have a 1451 01:30:43,620 --> 01:30:47,490 proper BTC QR code. All kinds of cool stuff coming you You are 1452 01:30:47,490 --> 01:30:50,520 now listening to the only three people who are doing anything on 1453 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,730 this end of it. Everybody else? Well, you're here in the 1454 01:30:53,730 --> 01:30:56,550 boardroom. We appreciate you for showing up. Do it again on 1455 01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:57,780 Friday. 1456 01:30:58,020 --> 01:30:58,830 Please join us 1457 01:30:59,940 --> 01:31:00,840 for podcasting. 1458 01:31:00,870 --> 01:31:03,150 2.0 Take care everybody. Bye bye. 1459 01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:22,950 I've been listening to podcasting. Oh, visit 1460 01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:26,220 podcasting. For more information. I 1461 01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:27,090 love my love