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Podcasting 2.0 for June 20th, 2025, episode

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225, Snakebite.

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Hey, everybody, it's time once again for Podcasting

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2.0. That's right.

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You want to know what's going on in

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podcasting?

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Disregard everything you read or hear about about

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YouTube.

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None of it's true.

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We are ready to talk about the latest

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and the greatest.

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We are in fact, the only boardroom that

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sends out a bat signal when we start.

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I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the

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man who will source your podcast straight from

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your feed.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.

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Having some kind of tooth problem.

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Tooth problem?

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Yeah, I'm having like a dental, a dental

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crisis here.

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Oh, well, you are talking to the right

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guy.

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I am, the doctor is in.

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What can I do for you?

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Is it, does it hurt?

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Yes.

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Oh, well, sorry.

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That sucks.

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It hurts.

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Which, which one, which number is it?

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12, 14?

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I think it's nine.

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Number nine.

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Is that next to your canine?

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I don't know.

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Well, which I don't know.

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I just made up a number.

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Which tooth hurts and what kind of hurt?

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Does it hurt when you drink different temperature

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liquids?

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No, not really.

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It's the gum is swollen, like right next

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to where it is.

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Periodontitis.

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Yes.

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Periodontitis.

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Gum disease.

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Did you make that up?

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No.

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Well, I think it's probably the wrong word,

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but it's a gum disease.

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I don't have gum disease.

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Yeah, it can go away.

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Here's a handy trick.

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Do you have any cloves in the house?

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Cloves?

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Do you have a clove?

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I have like a clove.

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Yes.

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You could actually.

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Like one of the, not the ground one,

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but there's just the whole clove.

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Yeah, you can put that right in between

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the two teeth, the one that hurts and

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the pain will subside.

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Oh, well that actually cure it or just

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make the pain?

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No, no, no.

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It'll just make the pain go away.

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It's not going to cure anything.

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You're screwed.

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I didn't even notice it until like, uh,

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like right before the show, I'm like, man,

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you know, my chew on this side is

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kind of hurting.

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And then I feel back there and it's

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like the gums all swollen.

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Well, that could just be something that you

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might've scraped it or.

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I'm going with that for now.

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Were you eating dog food?

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Biscuits?

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Anything sharp by any chance?

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No, no dog food today.

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That's usually how I get it.

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By eating dog food.

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I, there's nothing I've given my dog that

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I haven't tasted myself.

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Please tell me that's not true.

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No, absolutely.

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If it's, if it doesn't give it to

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the dog, I'm going to try it myself.

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She has these really nice.

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She gets a biscuit at night, one biscuit,

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one dog biscuits.

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And, uh, it says the latest one is

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green apples and yogurt.

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I mean, that stuff's good.

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It's and it's such a, it's so balanced,

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nutritionally balanced.

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And my fur is gleaming.

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Let me tell you, those bowel movements are

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just perfect.

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They're perfectly formed.

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Everything's good.

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Everything's moving.

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Hey, right off the bat, since, um, uh,

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since I don't have iOS, I believe it's

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on Android, but I haven't gotten anything from,

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uh, from the Seth Meister.

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How's the true fans iOS beta?

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Um, so I have instant feedback for Sam.

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Um, let me open it up here.

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Hey, it always using it opens.

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That's a good start.

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Step one open.

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Yes.

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Uh, so I was listening to pod news

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weekly review this morning on true fans.

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And, uh, as I was doing my walk

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and then, uh, and I got, um, a

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ways into it, maybe 10% into it.

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back to work and then, so I worked

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a little bit and then I was going

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to listen to a little bit more on

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the way home for, uh, for lunch to

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do the, to do the show.

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And I got in the car and it

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looked like that.

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It just, it had to like refresh the

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app.

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So it's, it looks to me like this

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is sort of a wrapper around, um, around

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the PWA around the PWA.

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I thought you weren't allowed to do that.

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Um, I know it's, it's more than that.

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It's, it's, it's more than that.

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It's, it's got, like, it's got definite controls

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and stuff.

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It's, it's doing native stuff, but it's, I

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think it's like an adjust.

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I think it's getting its main body of

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content from the app, from the PWA and

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it's putting its controls natively sort of on

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top and bottom.

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Uh, so I think, but it looked like

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the, like the app got ejected out of

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memory.

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And so it had to reload.

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And when it came back, it lost my

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spot.

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I, it started the episode over.

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Oh, that's one of the hardest things.

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So I'm not sure where they're at in

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the troubleshooting process yet, but that's good feedback.

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So that, that's, that was my experience this

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morning.

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And I'm thinking that maybe it might be

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that what I did notice was that it

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was very resilient to like disruptions in network.

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So I'm thinking they may be downloading the

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full episode into local storage and playing from

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there.

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Uh, so that's good, but that did have

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that hiccup, that hiccup.

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I was, I was testing the Godcaster app

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and I actually, I was listening.

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I think it might've been, it might've been

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pod news.

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And, and so the, my phone died, it

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ran out of battery and I kind of

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let it do that.

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I'm like, Oh, let's see what happens.

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It came back and it came back in

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the same spot exactly where I left off,

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which is amazing.

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I'm like, Whoa, it's hard.

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It's hard to do that stuff sucks.

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It is.

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Especially when, especially when you're trying to live

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a hybrid world between native and web.

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Like that, that's a, you know, cause P

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I don't, I don't know the structure of

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the app.

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I'm assuming it's using the PWA as sort

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of like the main workhorse and then you

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got to like extend it into the native

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and that's just such a pain.

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Painful.

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Hey, do you feel the shift?

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Do you, do you, do you feel the

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shift this past week?

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A shift in the, in the atmosphere, in

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the, in the podcast atmosphere?

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Did you feel it?

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Could you feel it?

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Could just like, like a fresh wind blowing

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through everything?

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Oh, uh, wait, Dreb said he didn't get

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the bat signal.

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Did you send the pod ping?

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Yeah.

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Let me double check.

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Um, yeah, I'm live.

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Oh, wait, wait.

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No.

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What?

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Hold on a sec.

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Favorite feeds.

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Podcasting 2.0 live episodes.

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Huh?

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No, I sent it.

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I see it.

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You see it.

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Oh yeah.

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Okay.

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I have, I changed the GUID.

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It should be there.

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You got it.

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Nevermind.

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Nevermind.

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Real-time feedback is wrong.

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Uh, Dreb, Dreb then corrected himself and said,

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nevermind.

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He got it.

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Oh, okay.

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Thanks.

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I was about to, I already had a,

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I already have my, my, my shell open.

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I'm like, ah, I'm going to get in

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here.

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Yes.

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You're like, wait, hold on a second.

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SSH space.

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The shift.

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I did feel a shift.

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Yes.

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The shift for me was real.

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Everybody is like, ah, you know, YouTube isn't

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all that.

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And I love it.

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And it only took one piece of research,

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which was nice.

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Thanks again.

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Uh, signal Hill insights.

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And right away, YouTube parays like, well, you

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know, podcasts that are already successful benefit even

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more by doing a video on YouTube.

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The, I love how he said, uh, in

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that, uh, by he, I mean the, um,

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yeah, the, the YouTube dude.

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He said he was like, um, you know,

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people looking from the outside may see podcasts

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on YouTube as an overnight success dot, dot,

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dot.

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I was like, uh, who's, who's said that?

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Oh, that's funny.

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I'm not aware of that being people's mind.

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It's not a thing as far as I

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know.

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And then we also got more and I'm

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just going to say something to the Spotify

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folks.

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I'm sure some are listening who would do

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something somewhere.

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Um, when you do things like support transcripts

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from your own hosting company to go out

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to other apps, but don't support them coming

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in from RSS feeds that you ingest, you

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are going to lose.

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And, and you're trying to do the same

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thing that companies have done over and over

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and over again, just give up, give in,

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join the party.

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You know, just don't, don't be short-sighted.

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The, the, the, the road, the podcasting trail

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is littered with failures like this.

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I think they will be doing that.

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I read, you know, I read between the

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lines of what, uh, I read between, I

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read between the lines of James reading between

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the lines.

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Yeah.

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And, and when he talked to the Spotify

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people and they were basically saying, you know,

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we have nothing to share, uh, at this

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time, but they, their response was worded in

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such a way that it's like, yeah, we're

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doing it, but it's just not going to

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be right now.

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You know, and it's, it's common.

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It's just saying, I mean, I think it's

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like a not invented here syndrome and you

321
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know, it goes right along with I'll never

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forget.

323
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Let me see.

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Do we still have that guy?

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The Spotify dude.

326
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Let me see if I have that.

327
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Which one?

328
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It was, I'm looking it up.

329
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See if I can find it now.

330
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The Spotify, the Spotify chick.

331
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I don't know.

332
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There was a Spotify.

333
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He was, um, I think he was one

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of the founders.

335
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He was a engineer.

336
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Oh, Oh, the guy talking about the black

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box of the DRM.

338
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No, no, maybe.

339
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But if I'm going to paraphrase, he was

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saying, you know, artists, you should just be

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happy that we put you on our platform

342
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at all.

343
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Yeah.

344
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Yeah.

345
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That was that guy.

346
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Yeah.

347
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Yeah.

348
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I think, I think he was the guy

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that created the DRM that, that just powers

350
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like all of that stuff.

351
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Well, that attitude is just, it's not going

352
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to be successful for you.

353
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Not saying it because I care what you

354
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do.

355
00:11:05,770 --> 00:11:06,290
Well, I do.

356
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I actually, I do care.

357
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I want you to be successful.

358
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You, you spent a billion dollars and, uh,

359
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that didn't work on talent and Hollywood people.

360
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Hello, Yahoo.

361
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And, uh, and now just be open, be

362
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open.

363
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Come on, join the water's warm because I

364
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peed in it, but it's good and yellow.

365
00:11:28,350 --> 00:11:29,810
No, it turns green.

366
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Cause we got chemicals put in to trace.

367
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So did you have anything else, uh, from

368
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the past week that you wanted to discuss

369
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before we bring on our special guest today?

370
00:11:40,870 --> 00:11:43,610
Um, yeah, well, we had, uh, I mean,

371
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speaking of Spotify, they're on the apps list.

372
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Now they podcast apps.

373
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Oh, they made it at the bottom.

374
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I presume at the bottom.

375
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Uh, they're pretty close to the bottom along

376
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with Apple podcast apps.com.

377
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Let's see.

378
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Scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.

379
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Uh, captain sweatpants.

380
00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:07,760
Now we heard you.

381
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We heard you.

382
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The thing was you were so annoying with

383
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repeating it over and over again that I

384
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just started skipping what you were saying.

385
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If you're going to troll, do it right

386
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now.

387
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He said, I kept saying that on the

388
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last episode, they're not ingesting podcasts.

389
00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:23,000
Yeah.

390
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I saw you.

391
00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,160
We were just basking in the glow for

392
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a moment, basking in the glow.

393
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Okay.

394
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So Spotify is third from the bottom.

395
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Apple is seventh from the bottom.

396
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So they're not, yeah, not, not as, you

397
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know, well in kudos to, uh, hosting companies

398
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who continue to support, uh, some of the

399
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important tags.

400
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Uh, I forget who it was now.

401
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James was talking about it.

402
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Uh, hosting company added the funding tag, really

403
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the ones that, that I think are the

404
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most critical for almost any app to just

405
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have is funding, uh, pod role, the lit

406
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tag.

407
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I might even put lit before pod role,

408
00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,820
but it's cause it's, it's just not that

409
00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:04,520
hard to implement.

410
00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:06,560
I don't think you have plenty of examples,

411
00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:10,520
plenty of feeds coming through and, uh, and

412
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then the use of pod ping.

413
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And if you guys support that, wow, what

414
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a different world we'll live in.

415
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You will.

416
00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:19,240
We, we did.

417
00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,740
Speaking of pod ping, there are two, I've

418
00:13:21,740 --> 00:13:24,640
got, I have two requests in my inbox,

419
00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:27,760
uh, today for pod ping tokens.

420
00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,020
Uh, one from a pretty sizable outfit that

421
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I think everybody will be.

422
00:13:33,220 --> 00:13:36,920
Oh, you cannot disclose who that is.

423
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,380
Um, I do, I, I, I'm sort of

424
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hesitant to do that.

425
00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:42,820
All right.

426
00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,860
That's my next week.

427
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My next week bombshell.

428
00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:48,720
Yes.

429
00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:49,080
Okay.

430
00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,740
That's my side podcast that I do on

431
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Saturday nights.

432
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Is it an app or a hosting company?

433
00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,420
It must be an app, I guess.

434
00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:57,840
Uh, it's a hosting company.

435
00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,280
Oh, hosting company.

436
00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:03,660
Sort of, sort of, sort of.

437
00:14:03,660 --> 00:14:03,920
Yeah.

438
00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:04,620
Sort of.

439
00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:07,300
I mean, yes, it's yeah.

440
00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:11,360
I'm, I'm hesitant to like, no, don't say

441
00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,460
it, but spill the beans.

442
00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,380
Cause I think sometimes they like to have

443
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an announcement and do a blog post.

444
00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:16,100
Okay.

445
00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:16,620
All right.

446
00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:16,920
Okay.

447
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:17,300
Good.

448
00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:17,640
All right.

449
00:14:17,660 --> 00:14:18,900
We don't, we don't want to do that.

450
00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,140
And the other one, but it'll be, it'll

451
00:14:21,140 --> 00:14:21,740
be a good thing.

452
00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:22,660
And the second one.

453
00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,740
Um, it's, it's sort of, I mean, it's

454
00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:28,100
like a normal, um, I don't know how

455
00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:30,180
big they are, uh, but it's just a,

456
00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,900
you know, hosting company.

457
00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:32,200
Okay.

458
00:14:32,460 --> 00:14:34,340
It's not a well, yeah, I guess they

459
00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:36,700
are too, but it's sort of, it's a

460
00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:38,200
more niche hosting platform.

461
00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,360
Oh, interesting.

462
00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:40,600
Oh, lips.

463
00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:41,660
No, it's not.

464
00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,180
Hey, but that's good.

465
00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:47,560
No, if it was, if it was lips

466
00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,860
and I would have definitely said lists, we

467
00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:51,920
would have brought out the party horns.

468
00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:53,520
Yeah.

469
00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,500
Um, that's good though, because the more hosting

470
00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:59,980
companies support it, the more people won't be

471
00:14:59,980 --> 00:15:00,860
able to get around it.

472
00:15:00,860 --> 00:15:02,140
And we'll just say, what are we, what

473
00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:02,860
are we stupid?

474
00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:04,400
Right.

475
00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:05,200
Yeah.

476
00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:07,060
No, it's, it's a big, I mean, pod

477
00:15:07,060 --> 00:15:08,280
paying is, is a big deal.

478
00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,060
Anybody, anytime anybody jumps on that board, it's

479
00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:15,620
great that that makes everybody's life easier.

480
00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:19,420
Um, but I mean, I, I thought that

481
00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:23,060
I thought, uh, speaking of, uh, the YouTube

482
00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:26,520
thing, I thought James had a good, he

483
00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,840
used a good phrase, the tyranny of video.

484
00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,320
I think that's a good, I think that's

485
00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,440
a good way to look at it.

486
00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:34,480
I'm sad.

487
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,520
I didn't come up with that.

488
00:15:35,620 --> 00:15:36,480
Yeah, absolutely.

489
00:15:36,980 --> 00:15:37,460
Yeah.

490
00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,580
Well, he had this whole interesting analysis, which

491
00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:44,460
we could also do for pod paying, which

492
00:15:44,460 --> 00:15:48,200
is how much more climate change, uh, Spotify

493
00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,080
is Spotify is creating by adding video.

494
00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:52,160
I thought that was pretty funny.

495
00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:54,480
Like, look at the, look at the climate,

496
00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:57,180
look at the carbon footprint of Apple polling,

497
00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,740
all of these feeds all the time or

498
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Spotify for that matter.

499
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,420
You know, Apple may be using pod paying

500
00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:04,880
already and we just don't know it.

501
00:16:05,780 --> 00:16:06,820
Oh, good point.

502
00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:08,660
Nah, they're still, they're still slow.

503
00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:10,900
They wouldn't tell us if they were doing

504
00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:11,040
it.

505
00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:11,700
Why would they?

506
00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,240
Why would they?

507
00:16:12,380 --> 00:16:14,640
That's, that's, that's not the jobsy in way.

508
00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:17,820
No, you want to announce it, make everybody

509
00:16:17,820 --> 00:16:19,560
go, Oh, Apple, you're the best.

510
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,360
And then tell everybody you're holding it wrong.

511
00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:25,020
Well, if you want to put in, if

512
00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:26,860
you want to, if you want to know

513
00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:29,500
for sure, if they put in lit live

514
00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:31,300
support, then we'll know for sure that they're

515
00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:31,920
doing pod paying.

516
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:32,360
Yeah.

517
00:16:32,660 --> 00:16:33,020
Oh yeah.

518
00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:33,340
Yeah.

519
00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:35,420
The two go hand in hand and man

520
00:16:35,420 --> 00:16:38,380
lit is people have no idea what they

521
00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:39,680
can invigorate.

522
00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,940
Well, we do because we've, we're actually seeing

523
00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:44,020
it in, in real time soon to be

524
00:16:44,020 --> 00:16:44,440
released.

525
00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:46,160
We're seeing it in real time.

526
00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:48,340
What, what happens when you add lit and,

527
00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:51,020
uh, and podcasts and you combine the two,

528
00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,700
man, you just gave radio a whole new

529
00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:54,580
lease on life.

530
00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,740
Yeah, it really is.

531
00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:57,540
It's phenomenal.

532
00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:58,140
It's phenomenal.

533
00:16:59,180 --> 00:17:02,520
Well, speaking of lease on life, ladies and

534
00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,900
gentlemen, our guests for today, he men's bodies

535
00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:06,640
and souls.

536
00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,700
He's the developer of the Castamatic app and

537
00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:11,160
the official pod doc.

538
00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:19,040
Say hello to Franco Solerio and Aguri Aguri

539
00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,500
with the new app.

540
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000
There it is.

541
00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:24,980
That's all my Italian.

542
00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,560
That's pretty much what I speak with my

543
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,220
brother in law.

544
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:27,920
Yes.

545
00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:29,000
Yeah.

546
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,100
Franco, how are you doing brother?

547
00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:31,620
Oh, I'm doing well.

548
00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:34,080
So happy to have you on and appreciate

549
00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,320
that you're taking time out of your extremely

550
00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,060
busy schedule.

551
00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:38,280
I know it's late for you.

552
00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:38,780
What is it?

553
00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:41,480
Uh, no, it's 8 p.m. 8 p

554
00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,360
.m. Yeah, it's no problem.

555
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,880
Well, shouldn't you be watching the football?

556
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,300
Not today.

557
00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:48,800
Right now we have to stay awake at

558
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,860
night because we moved all the football, uh,

559
00:17:52,580 --> 00:17:54,780
uh, train over to the USA to your

560
00:17:54,780 --> 00:17:55,240
country.

561
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,860
They're playing the, the, the, the, the, the,

562
00:17:57,860 --> 00:17:58,740
the world cup.

563
00:17:59,040 --> 00:17:59,300
Oh yeah.

564
00:17:59,660 --> 00:18:00,580
That's right.

565
00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:01,220
That's right.

566
00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:01,660
Yes.

567
00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,580
Is that the FIFA cup?

568
00:18:03,620 --> 00:18:04,720
Is that the FIFA world cup?

569
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:05,020
Yeah.

570
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:05,620
Yeah.

571
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:06,980
Uh, who do you think is going to

572
00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:07,180
win?

573
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,560
I don't know.

574
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,860
I really don't know because, uh, it's, it's

575
00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:14,000
a little joke because they get a lot

576
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,400
of money if they win, but right now

577
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,920
all a good, uh, European teams are on

578
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,220
rest because they just finished the day, their

579
00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:22,840
championships.

580
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,840
So all the, all the, all the players

581
00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,060
are either broken, are waiting to go for

582
00:18:28,060 --> 00:18:28,620
vacation.

583
00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:35,360
It's a little difficult to break, but so

584
00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,500
my team is Juventus.

585
00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,560
So I, I, I hope they will go,

586
00:18:38,980 --> 00:18:39,760
we would go well.

587
00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:41,520
We, uh, it's been a while.

588
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,220
It's been a hot minute actually, since we've

589
00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:44,660
had you on the show, it's been a

590
00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:46,260
poop probably a couple of years.

591
00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:49,600
Uh, so it's good to have you back.

592
00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:51,660
If you don't mind, just give everybody a

593
00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:54,440
little background because you are an actual, uh,

594
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,980
I think functional medicine doctor, if I recall

595
00:18:56,980 --> 00:18:57,400
correctly.

596
00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,040
Yes, yes.

597
00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:58,540
That's good.

598
00:18:58,660 --> 00:19:01,260
Uh, I work at as a doctor, uh,

599
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,220
in the spare time when I don't do

600
00:19:03,220 --> 00:19:08,480
podcasting and when I'm sorry, I can't, I

601
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,260
can't save your life because I'm, I'm a

602
00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:12,020
podcast thing.

603
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,900
Come on, give me a break.

604
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:13,920
I got stuff to do here.

605
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,300
And then I have to fix bugs and

606
00:19:16,300 --> 00:19:18,160
then I may, may fix you.

607
00:19:18,380 --> 00:19:21,000
Is there, is there a, um, do you

608
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,200
feel like, let me put it this way.

609
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,860
I've always found that some of the best

610
00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:29,740
software developers are musicians, particularly bass players for

611
00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:32,320
some reason are really good software developers.

612
00:19:32,540 --> 00:19:34,520
Do you feel that when it comes to

613
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,920
stomping bugs and stuff, is there a parallel

614
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,700
or a crossover between what you do in

615
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:42,880
diagnosing people and, uh, and healing them?

616
00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:47,200
Yeah, maybe, maybe, uh, it's the brain is

617
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:47,700
a mystery.

618
00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:50,240
So you, you, you never know what skills

619
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,140
can come out.

620
00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,840
And, uh, in, in healing people, you have

621
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,720
to, to, to, to keep an open mind.

622
00:19:55,740 --> 00:19:58,480
You have to study analytically and then you

623
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,320
have to examine holistically a patient and understand

624
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,060
what he wants, uh, even before what, uh,

625
00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:07,140
what he's telling or the tests are telling

626
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:07,360
you.

627
00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:10,660
So maybe, maybe musicians are, are good for

628
00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:10,920
that.

629
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,760
I know a lot of musicians.

630
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,700
It would be great if people had a

631
00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:19,240
log file, you know, but it doesn't work

632
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:19,740
like that.

633
00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:22,240
Let me just, let me just parse the

634
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:22,760
log here.

635
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,780
Grip depression, grip infection.

636
00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:28,760
Oh, there you go.

637
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:29,620
There's, there's your problem.

638
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:29,980
Yeah.

639
00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:33,440
So Franco, um, congratulations, man, on the, I

640
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,780
know you just released a new version.

641
00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:36,860
I am not an iOS user, but tell

642
00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:39,360
us, cause you just announced it, uh, coincidentally

643
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,900
before your appearance on the board meeting, uh,

644
00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:43,420
tell us about the new release.

645
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,860
Oh, news release.

646
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,360
Uh, finally custom attic is going lit.

647
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:53,080
Uh, it was a longer, a long stretch

648
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,420
of work, uh, a long time thinking about

649
00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:59,620
it because my app isn't really, wasn't really

650
00:20:59,620 --> 00:21:01,520
supposed to go to go in that direction

651
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,780
because it's, uh, uh, it was completely on

652
00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:05,280
device.

653
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,940
I, I didn't have a server backend, uh,

654
00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:10,720
like a lot of other apps do.

655
00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:15,100
It was a philosophical and a necessity because

656
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:17,140
I am, I am, I have no experience

657
00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:18,940
in coding for, for servers.

658
00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:22,500
Uh, but to, to, to watch pod pings

659
00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:26,340
and alert people of live shows, you, you,

660
00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:28,540
you need to have some sort of, uh,

661
00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:30,080
of a server component.

662
00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:33,660
And so I, I coded, uh, uh, a

663
00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:36,780
mini server that, uh, where, where every, every

664
00:21:36,780 --> 00:21:38,940
copy of custom attic can register to and

665
00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:42,200
say, hello, I, I, I'm my, my, my

666
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,120
master is, is listening, is subscribed to this

667
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,300
podcast and this and this.

668
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,820
And, uh, the, the microserver looks for pod

669
00:21:49,820 --> 00:21:52,800
pings relative to those, uh, to those, uh,

670
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,520
podcasts and then sends, uh, uh, push notifications

671
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,620
to the, to the device that, uh, that

672
00:21:58,620 --> 00:21:59,940
are subscribed to that.

673
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,740
So I had, I had to, to, to

674
00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:03,680
create a whole new component.

675
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:04,720
It's a microserver.

676
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,540
I have no experience in managing servers, uh,

677
00:22:08,940 --> 00:22:11,780
apart from a small web server for my,

678
00:22:11,780 --> 00:22:14,620
for my podcast and, and little things like

679
00:22:14,620 --> 00:22:14,840
that.

680
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,960
But right now it's, it's going okay.

681
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,920
So let me, let me ask you, let

682
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,080
me pick your brain on this.

683
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:26,000
So your, your server is, um, is sending

684
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,300
push notifications to Castamatic, uh, to the Castamatic

685
00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:31,860
apps.

686
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,860
How hard was that for you?

687
00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:36,460
How hard was it for you to set

688
00:22:36,460 --> 00:22:37,060
up that?

689
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,660
And how expensive is it?

690
00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:41,180
Is it costing you a lot of money

691
00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:42,720
each month to run that?

692
00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:47,440
Right now it's, it's really not expensive because,

693
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:51,200
uh, uh, it runs, uh, uh, as a

694
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,520
little Docker component.

695
00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:57,360
Uh, it's, uh, it's a small Linux Docker

696
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,920
container, uh, who runs this app in, in

697
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,440
Swift, uh, which is really, really, really small.

698
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:09,380
It doesn't, in my original idea, it, it

699
00:23:09,380 --> 00:23:13,240
shouldn't have done nothing more than, uh, keeping

700
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,200
track of the subscriptions of each device, listening

701
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,260
for pod pings and sending notification to, to

702
00:23:21,260 --> 00:23:26,220
the Apple's push notification server that, uh, then

703
00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:28,640
relays the notification to the devices.

704
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,520
So it, it, it's very, very lightweight.

705
00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:33,840
I had to, to, to make a little,

706
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,900
um, uh, one more step because I realized

707
00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:41,660
pod pings are much more, uh, numerous.

708
00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:46,640
Uh, uh, we, we, we, um, hosting companies

709
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,120
send a lot, uh, more pod pings than,

710
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:51,280
than, than are required.

711
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,780
Uh, because usually every time, uh, the, the,

712
00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:58,100
the, the producer of the show modifies something

713
00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:01,440
in their backend, even a comma in a,

714
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,040
in a, in a description of a, of

715
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,180
a, of an episode of two years ago,

716
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,480
they send a pod ping, Hey, something updated

717
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,200
to check this.

718
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,160
And look at me, look at me, look

719
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:12,560
at me.

720
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,480
Yes.

721
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,240
And Apple doesn't like that because, uh, it,

722
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,580
it, it puts a limit of the number

723
00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:22,300
of push notifications that you can send to

724
00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:23,020
each device.

725
00:24:23,860 --> 00:24:27,180
And so, and so, uh, if I received

726
00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:30,700
the 10, uh, 10, 10 pod pings for,

727
00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:33,720
for your show, and, uh, I tried to,

728
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,100
to send the 10 pod pings to, to

729
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,260
the devices, to the, to the user subscribes

730
00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:41,360
to the, to your show, uh, then, um,

731
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:44,260
Apple refuses to, to send many of those.

732
00:24:44,260 --> 00:24:46,900
And so I, I, I had to add

733
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:51,040
another, another, another step where the server, every

734
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,780
time that it receives a pod ping, it

735
00:24:53,780 --> 00:24:56,620
has to check for the feed for their

736
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:59,840
RSS feed and check if there is actually

737
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,200
a new episode or a new live show

738
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,140
and only then send the push notification.

739
00:25:05,140 --> 00:25:08,800
So this grew a little more, but right

740
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,480
now it's running on, on, on a online

741
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,940
node on $10 a month.

742
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Right now, but I've been running that only

743
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,040
for test flight users, uh, until one hour

744
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:22,340
ago.

745
00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:24,600
Now I have to check when all the,

746
00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:28,080
all the devices that run customatic will try

747
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,700
to subscribe and obviously running with C source,

748
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,520
probably everything, but, but I'm here to fix

749
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:35,680
it.

750
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:38,880
And it's not, uh, uh, the, the app

751
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,480
on the device doesn't crash.

752
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:43,280
If my server overloads, it might just be

753
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,900
a little slow to, to receive notification until

754
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:46,620
I fix this.

755
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:50,040
So wasn't the reason code supposed to help

756
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,800
with that, Dave?

757
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,640
Yeah, well with, with live, I mean, so

758
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,680
you only have you there's a, it doesn't

759
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,300
get so ingrained and tell you what changed.

760
00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:00,500
It doesn't do like a diff.

761
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,400
It just says, you know, it's either, it's

762
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,760
either update or live or live end.

763
00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:09,680
You know, this is just telling you kind

764
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,840
of like at a high level, whether this

765
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,740
is just a feed update or whether this

766
00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:16,020
is a live event.

767
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,980
So that, I mean, it does help, but

768
00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:20,680
you know, if all you're looking for is

769
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,060
live, but if you're looking for more than

770
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:23,840
just live, if you're looking for actual feeds,

771
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,000
feed change signals, like new episodes, then you're

772
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:27,920
going to have to check everyone.

773
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,700
And you're doing that Franco, you're doing a

774
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:30,820
new episodes as well.

775
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:31,280
Yeah.

776
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:31,720
Yeah.

777
00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:34,520
And doing new episodes, but it's important for

778
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,860
me to check for updates because updates tell

779
00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:42,260
the app that there is a new pending

780
00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:45,220
live show that it might not be live

781
00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:47,540
in this moment, but they want to show

782
00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:48,640
it on the device.

783
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,220
So the users know that in a couple

784
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:53,080
hours or in a couple of days, there

785
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,600
will be a new live show.

786
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:55,160
Right.

787
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,620
So are you, are you, are you surfacing

788
00:26:57,620 --> 00:26:57,840
that?

789
00:26:57,940 --> 00:26:59,600
Are you showing the pending episodes?

790
00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:00,340
Yeah.

791
00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:00,540
Yeah.

792
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:00,900
Yeah.

793
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:01,260
Nice.

794
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,440
There's a, there's a special place list that

795
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,980
appears on the, on the first page of

796
00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:10,300
the app when there are live shows scheduled.

797
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:11,200
That's awesome.

798
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,100
Yeah.

799
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,700
That's a really great way to do it.

800
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,140
Yeah.

801
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:14,760
Yeah.

802
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:15,320
Yeah.

803
00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:19,300
I thought it could, I would like, I

804
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:22,520
would like to educate podcasters that do live

805
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,900
show to, to publish the, the pending episodes

806
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:29,320
with some days in advance, or maybe when

807
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,680
they, when they end the previous episode already

808
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,080
to schedule in the, in the RSS feed

809
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,000
that the new episodes.

810
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,080
So I can, I can show, uh, in

811
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,220
the live, uh, in the live playlist, uh,

812
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:45,300
the, the, the, can see all the live

813
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,120
shows that are scheduled in this week.

814
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,260
And they can tell, uh, no agenda will

815
00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:52,040
be on Thursday and then podcasting 2.0

816
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,140
will be on Friday.

817
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,700
Just like, uh, just like, uh, the, the,

818
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:58,300
the schedule for, for a radio or a

819
00:27:58,300 --> 00:27:58,700
television.

820
00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:00,420
Yeah.

821
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,520
That's, that's, that's perfect.

822
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:04,360
I mean, when, when I saw what you

823
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,060
were doing, that temporary sort of a temporary

824
00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:08,200
playlist that comes and goes, and it always

825
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,440
gets your attention because it's right at the

826
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,280
top where the playlist section is.

827
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,640
It gets your attention that there's something there.

828
00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:17,180
And so every, every time I would open

829
00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:20,720
up Castamatic, I see like, it's visual, it's

830
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,140
a visual change.

831
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,280
So I see, Oh, well, and I'll, I'll

832
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,800
check it and see which episodes are listed.

833
00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:29,140
So like the more days in advance, you

834
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:30,620
could get those in there, the better it

835
00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:31,020
would be.

836
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:32,340
Cause then you have a head, like a

837
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:34,780
heads up if you had, so did you

838
00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:38,960
have, did you have, uh, excuse me, did

839
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,660
you write the server part in Swift?

840
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:42,480
Yep.

841
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:43,220
Yep.

842
00:28:43,580 --> 00:28:46,760
With the vapor framework.

843
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:47,320
Yes.

844
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Which is really nice.

845
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,580
And I vibe coded some of that because

846
00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:57,880
it can be, it can be useful if

847
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,420
you, if you do, if you keep the

848
00:28:59,420 --> 00:29:02,320
leash short and check what, what, what it's

849
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,980
doing, um, it can be a useful resource.

850
00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:10,540
So you, that probably, I'm assuming that that

851
00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:13,200
helped you when you had to go the

852
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760
extra step to create the server side feed

853
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,020
parser, because you could reuse your Swift code

854
00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:21,540
from Castamatic to get that up faster.

855
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:22,540
Yes.

856
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:22,900
Yes.

857
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,840
And, and, um, it was really simple that

858
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,560
part because I don't have to parse every

859
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,060
little thing and every little quirk of the,

860
00:29:32,060 --> 00:29:35,060
of the RSS feeds, but just check for

861
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:38,780
new items and live items and, uh, and

862
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:40,760
store the last one at the last update

863
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,300
in the database and the check for that

864
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:43,800
every time.

865
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,700
So does that also help?

866
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,560
I'm thinking you used to be purely on

867
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,120
device.

868
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,620
And so does that now that you have

869
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:57,460
push notifications for all of the pod pains

870
00:29:57,460 --> 00:30:01,140
being checked that I'm assuming that that would

871
00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:05,940
make the feed updating faster on device because

872
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:07,840
now you don't have to wait until the

873
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,080
next time the app launches to check all

874
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,580
the feeds.

875
00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:11,600
Yes.

876
00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:15,280
The minute the pod ping comes, I give

877
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,160
a silent, I send a silent push notification,

878
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,300
which is another kind of notification that is

879
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,860
not shown to the user, but only to

880
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:26,320
the app.

881
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,600
This is even more, uh, strict and limited

882
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,260
by Apple.

883
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880
You don't, you don't, you, you must not

884
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,280
send a lot of the, of those, but

885
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,940
when I, when I can, when I send

886
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:42,220
a silent push notification, the app refreshes that

887
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:43,340
feed in the background.

888
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:47,440
And so usually when everything goes okay, the

889
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,280
app surfaces the, the, the new episode in

890
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,620
two to five seconds after the pod ping.

891
00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:56,560
And the pod usually comes in about 20

892
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,420
seconds, uh, from the, the, the time that

893
00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:02,040
the, the, the, the producer sent it.

894
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,640
That's, that's so cool.

895
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:07,860
That's like a, that's even better because I'm

896
00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:11,900
assuming that if you, so if the, when

897
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,780
the push notifications comes in, there's a handoff

898
00:31:14,780 --> 00:31:17,800
that happens where it, uh, the, where iOS

899
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,820
wakes up, wakes up your app, lets it

900
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:22,280
do a thing and then put in and

901
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,360
it goes back to sleep.

902
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,100
Yeah, exactly.

903
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:26,600
Okay.

904
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:26,860
Yes.

905
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:30,780
But you have to refresh just one feed.

906
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,060
And so if the, if there is no

907
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:36,260
problem with the network connection between the device

908
00:31:36,260 --> 00:31:39,360
and the internet, it usually, it's usually enough

909
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,880
time to, to download just that RSS feed

910
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,120
that the pod ping notification said, uh, it

911
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,060
was to update.

912
00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:50,620
So are you on a timer?

913
00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:53,480
Once that, once the, once the, once iOS

914
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,380
wakes your app, wakes up Castamatic, is there

915
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:58,040
a time limit before it's going to kill

916
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:58,440
it again?

917
00:31:59,020 --> 00:31:59,460
Yes.

918
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,680
But, uh, it's a classic Apple style.

919
00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:05,640
There is a timer, but it can change

920
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,880
anytime, every time.

921
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,900
And you don't know what the timer is.

922
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,140
Oh, great.

923
00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:11,260
Wonderful.

924
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,260
Perfect.

925
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,580
That's coding for iOS.

926
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,720
What is the, what is the limit of,

927
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,280
uh, of notifications, silent and non-silent that

928
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:21,880
you can send?

929
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,680
Does Apple even tell you what that number

930
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,000
is?

931
00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:25,280
No, nobody knows.

932
00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:28,200
Man, those guys.

933
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:32,700
And, uh, uh, silent notification are very limited.

934
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,300
I, I estimate that if I send more

935
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,640
than a 10 in an hour, I get

936
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,180
limited total or per app per device.

937
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Yes.

938
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:48,980
Um, uh, usual push notifications are not limited,

939
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,440
but that they don't wake the app.

940
00:32:52,620 --> 00:32:56,240
So they just alert the user that the,

941
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,820
the, the, the, the classic push notification, which

942
00:32:58,820 --> 00:33:00,720
is the one I use when, when, when

943
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,800
a live pod ping comes just are, are,

944
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,120
are only received by iOS and iOS displays

945
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,040
the banner to the user, but the app

946
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,280
isn't awaken or run until the user clicks

947
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,900
on the notification banner.

948
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,040
They're doing that for power management, for all

949
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,800
that other stuff they're collecting on you.

950
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,140
Yeah, I get it.

951
00:33:22,140 --> 00:33:25,240
Um, and does that cost any money each

952
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:25,980
time you send that?

953
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:27,600
Or is that a service you get as

954
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,160
a developer?

955
00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:30,780
No, you get it as a developer and,

956
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,120
uh, and as a user, yes, there's no

957
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,620
limit and there's no fee on that.

958
00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:35,980
Nice.

959
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Yeah.

960
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,280
That's good.

961
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,800
That's, that's good because you have, you know,

962
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,820
if I was them, I don't blame them

963
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:47,920
really the same reason we don't publish, like

964
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,980
I don't publish rate limits for the podcast

965
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:53,820
index API.

966
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:56,880
I mean, there are, there are numbers I

967
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,680
can, you know, I know that the numbers

968
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,440
are right now, but I don't put them

969
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,440
out in public because when you put them

970
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,660
out in public, the thing that happens is

971
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:07,840
everybody tries to run right up to the

972
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:07,980
limit.

973
00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:09,199
Exactly.

974
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,320
Yeah.

975
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,739
If you, if you say you can only

976
00:34:11,739 --> 00:34:14,420
put out 10 notifications per hour, everybody's going

977
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:16,219
to put out 10 notifications per hour.

978
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,500
And like, if I was them, I would

979
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:20,620
actually go one step further and, and just

980
00:34:20,620 --> 00:34:23,699
like change it slightly all the time just

981
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:25,120
to keep everybody on their toes.

982
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,639
Cause otherwise you'd get flooded.

983
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:29,699
They probably are.

984
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:30,660
Yeah.

985
00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:32,360
I don't, I don't blame them cause that,

986
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,219
especially when it's a free thing and you're,

987
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,600
and you're trying to do power management.

988
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,840
I mean, that's probably really complicated.

989
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:40,219
I imagine back in the early days, they

990
00:34:40,219 --> 00:34:42,000
probably found that out the hard way that,

991
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:46,239
you know, they probably initially didn't have as

992
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,580
strict a limits as they do now.

993
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:48,260
Yeah.

994
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,280
And they can't, they don't know in advance

995
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,219
how many apps, how many apps each user

996
00:34:54,219 --> 00:34:56,640
has installed on the device.

997
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:57,800
And that can change a lot.

998
00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:58,940
Right.

999
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,260
Yeah.

1000
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,020
That's a good, that's a good point.

1001
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:01,980
Yeah.

1002
00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:05,900
That that's mobile, you know, mobile app development.

1003
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:12,720
So is Castamatic, was it released initially back

1004
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,160
like pre-Swift and Objective-C or did

1005
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,740
you start in the Swift world?

1006
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,500
No, no.

1007
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,980
This started as my first Swift project.

1008
00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:23,240
Okay.

1009
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:24,380
Yeah.

1010
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Okay.

1011
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:29,260
So you, so that was probably iOS 7,

1012
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,420
I think it was, if I remember well.

1013
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,040
Wow.

1014
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,340
Okay.

1015
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:35,680
So that's a little far, that's probably eight

1016
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,560
or nine years ago then.

1017
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Yeah.

1018
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,340
Yeah.

1019
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:37,580
Yeah.

1020
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:37,860
Yeah.

1021
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:38,480
It is.

1022
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:38,780
Okay.

1023
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,580
So it's been around, yeah, that's been around

1024
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:40,800
a while.

1025
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,800
So you've seen, you've, you've been through a

1026
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,020
lot of Apple transition.

1027
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:48,220
Is the new iOS 26, is that gonna

1028
00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:49,680
really hurt you?

1029
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,020
Yeah, it is.

1030
00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:57,920
I don't know, but I don't like it.

1031
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,260
I saw all the, all the, all the

1032
00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:03,720
presentations from, from Apple and I'm, I think

1033
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,180
they're pushing a little too much.

1034
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,280
They, they, they really want this, this vision

1035
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,440
pro thing to succeed.

1036
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:15,780
They want everything transparent and, and also the,

1037
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:18,740
the Mac and iOS to, to, to, to,

1038
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:23,280
to push people towards transparent user interface.

1039
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:25,600
Well, now I have, I have a question

1040
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,400
about liquid glass.

1041
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:29,660
Do you think it's gorgeous?

1042
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:31,720
I don't like it.

1043
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:34,420
It's, it's, it's good in the, it's good

1044
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:35,600
in the pictures.

1045
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,880
If you, if you, if you curate the,

1046
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,920
the, the, the, the screenshot in where the

1047
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,000
text is aligned and the good place and

1048
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160
you have no super imposition of, of colors,

1049
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,500
it can look gorgeous.

1050
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:50,060
Gorgeous.

1051
00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:52,500
But yeah, sorry.

1052
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,820
The minute you, you, you, you, you move

1053
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:58,020
the, the, the user interface a lot of,

1054
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,820
but this, this is a beta.

1055
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,820
This is the first beta.

1056
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,900
A lot of things can improve right now.

1057
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:07,940
I, I, I really prefer iOS 16, 18,

1058
00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:09,340
but it was the last one.

1059
00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:09,680
Yeah.

1060
00:37:11,260 --> 00:37:13,240
So you think that all of that is

1061
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,160
being done for the, for the Apple vision

1062
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,480
pro.

1063
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,980
That's why they want everyone to move in

1064
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:17,620
that direction.

1065
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:19,500
I think so.

1066
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840
I think so because the, the, the, the,

1067
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,780
the, the first, uh, uh, the first, uh,

1068
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:28,740
uh, user interface that, that was really transparent

1069
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:31,460
is the one from, from vision pro for,

1070
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:32,780
from two years ago.

1071
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:35,980
And now all other systems are going in

1072
00:37:35,980 --> 00:37:36,800
that direction.

1073
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:39,740
So I think that a strong push is

1074
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:41,200
made because of that.

1075
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:42,420
I can be wrong, but.

1076
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,340
Yeah, that makes, well, I mean, it makes

1077
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:50,220
sense, but are you, so on, on your

1078
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:55,360
pod ping monitoring, did you write your own,

1079
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,760
uh, hive watcher or are you connecting with

1080
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,680
an existing piece of software?

1081
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:06,160
No, I'm connecting to the, to the, um,

1082
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,220
uh, to the web, the sub.

1083
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:12,700
Uh, oh, Spurlock Spurlock Spurlock.

1084
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,080
Yes.

1085
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:13,840
Oh, nice.

1086
00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:14,140
Yes.

1087
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Uh, interrupt everybody.

1088
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,760
We have interrupt kind and it makes me,

1089
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:21,340
it, it, it, it, I don't know if

1090
00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:24,260
I could do the same thing without, without

1091
00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:28,780
that service because, uh, uh, all the libraries

1092
00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:32,860
for, for pod ping and for hive, which,

1093
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,000
uh, for the hive blockchain, which pod pings

1094
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,120
relies on are all on Python and there's

1095
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,540
nothing for Swift.

1096
00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:43,740
So I, I, I would have had to

1097
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:45,360
work on a very low level.

1098
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,120
And, uh, with that, um, uh, I have

1099
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,100
to do web sockets, but web sockets are,

1100
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,880
are not that, that difficult.

1101
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:55,700
You know, that really needs, that's something that

1102
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:56,680
needs to change.

1103
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,520
There needs to be, uh, that's a real

1104
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,840
deficiency that I'm, that I'm seeing is we

1105
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,680
need more, uh, example, we need more libraries

1106
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,140
to, uh, for other languages for pod ping.

1107
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,540
Um, yeah.

1108
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Yes.

1109
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:14,640
The adoption.

1110
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:15,100
Yes.

1111
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,520
Cause I mean, Python is you, Python is

1112
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,180
universal.

1113
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,260
Python is my jam, Dave.

1114
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,380
It is my vibe jam, baby.

1115
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,460
But it is for, for servers, for, for

1116
00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:28,320
mobile devices.

1117
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:29,440
Uh, it's not.

1118
00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:30,820
No, I got you there.

1119
00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:31,620
You got you there.

1120
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,020
Yeah.

1121
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,060
And when you, you know, Python is universal

1122
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:40,340
on every, almost every Linux and max system

1123
00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:41,460
and installed.

1124
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,280
But when you actually have to run it

1125
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,340
as a server service, you need, you need

1126
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:49,560
to know what you're doing and people who

1127
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,560
are not fluent in the Python world, that's

1128
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,540
going to be a challenge for them because

1129
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:57,360
then you, because as soon as you get

1130
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880
into, and I've been down this road before,

1131
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,480
and Alex can vouch for my utter confusion

1132
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,140
when it comes to things that are Python

1133
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:05,560
related.

1134
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:07,920
As soon as you get into running Python,

1135
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,800
um, software as a server side service, you

1136
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,380
have to, you know, you, you immediately get

1137
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:17,520
into things like poetry and UV.

1138
00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:20,400
You have to, you get into the world

1139
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,920
of all the, the Python frameworks and sort

1140
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,160
of supporting software.

1141
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,860
And you have to know what the, it's

1142
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:30,440
sort of like when you, it's the same

1143
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,820
thing as when you run like a node

1144
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:33,320
JS application.

1145
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,320
Yes, you can just install node, but there's

1146
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,020
all this, a lot of things expect you

1147
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:44,100
to run like node ENV and these other

1148
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:49,000
supporting packages that make versioning better and have

1149
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,160
the package main and do package management.

1150
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,000
So it's, it's a little different.

1151
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,420
If we had a set of libraries that

1152
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:59,720
were just native to all the different languages,

1153
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:03,420
that would be, that would be pretty helpful.

1154
00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:10,520
And I'm thinking like Swift, PHP, Rust, just

1155
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,200
all, it just hit all the, all the

1156
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:13,700
high points.

1157
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,860
I think there was a JavaScript library that

1158
00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:17,740
Steven Crater wrote, I believe.

1159
00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:22,160
Um, I think he was the writer of

1160
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,980
it, but then, but I think it drifted

1161
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:25,340
some of the last person I know that

1162
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:26,680
tried to use it said that it was

1163
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,260
not working well for them.

1164
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,860
I think that was Jason over at podcast

1165
00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:31,260
guru.

1166
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Um, so I don't know.

1167
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,260
Anyway, it's just, I think it's a deficiency

1168
00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:36,480
and hearing you talk about it.

1169
00:41:36,540 --> 00:41:38,900
I think, I think we should focus a

1170
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:40,120
little bit of time on that if we

1171
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,420
can.

1172
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:44,880
So what now about running Python on the

1173
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,220
server?

1174
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,440
We need more COBOL.

1175
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,180
I gotta tell you, man, I'm running everything

1176
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:54,920
as a service system.

1177
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,420
D go for it.

1178
00:41:56,860 --> 00:41:57,600
Oh yeah.

1179
00:41:57,820 --> 00:41:57,960
Yeah.

1180
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,920
Well that, so I think the, the, the

1181
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,800
issue comes in with, um, how do you

1182
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,580
keep your version of Python?

1183
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:06,760
Yeah.

1184
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:08,800
When you updated the system, everything.

1185
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:10,320
I just don't update.

1186
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,340
I'm on three dot one, two, and that's

1187
00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:12,580
it.

1188
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:15,160
And that's, and Python screaming at me where

1189
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,160
this is going to be deprecated in the

1190
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,720
next release.

1191
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:18,260
I don't care.

1192
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:19,000
I'm not upgrading.

1193
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:19,540
It works.

1194
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:21,800
We're stuck in this version as good to

1195
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,060
go.

1196
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,500
It's sort of like you put your Python

1197
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:25,660
in a jail.

1198
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:28,380
I put my Python a lot of places,

1199
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,460
but not in a jail.

1200
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:32,280
Baby, he's awake.

1201
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,480
Yeah.

1202
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,080
It's like you, you, you, you jail the

1203
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,280
environment so that everything, so that when this

1204
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,900
copy of Python runs it, it, it always

1205
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,140
has the same environment.

1206
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,300
And that, that can be pretty important depending

1207
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,140
on, you know, what you're doing.

1208
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:50,460
Yeah.

1209
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:53,920
Especially with your import, your modules and what

1210
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,140
you have, they run everything in an environment.

1211
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,520
Yeah.

1212
00:42:57,860 --> 00:43:00,020
What are you, what is it using?

1213
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:01,180
Is it a UV?

1214
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,260
Venv.

1215
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Venv.

1216
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,320
Okay.

1217
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,660
That's the virtual environment.

1218
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:08,180
I'm not sure what that is.

1219
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,800
You're asking the wrong guy.

1220
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:10,700
Yeah.

1221
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:12,700
So that, that's, that's where it gets into.

1222
00:43:12,820 --> 00:43:13,040
Yeah.

1223
00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:18,140
And versioning is like dash June eight, uh,

1224
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:21,320
working copy, uh, that's final.

1225
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,580
Oh man.

1226
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,380
Ls.

1227
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Ls star dot final.

1228
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Okay.

1229
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,440
I always love it when there's like three

1230
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:31,820
of those.

1231
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,000
There's like dash final, dash final, dash final.

1232
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:36,860
Oh, that makes me feel good.

1233
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:38,160
I'm not the only one.

1234
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:40,960
Final working really good.

1235
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:41,300
Good.

1236
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,200
All uppercase.

1237
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Yeah.

1238
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:44,040
This is the one, this is the one

1239
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:52,460
dot P dash last Oh, feels good to

1240
00:43:52,460 --> 00:43:54,060
have a engineering humor in me.

1241
00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:54,620
Oh, that's good.

1242
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,340
Never expected that.

1243
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:58,740
Oh man.

1244
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Do you find the, do you find that

1245
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,620
the vapor, uh, ecosystem is decent?

1246
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,460
Cause I've worried about that world cause there's

1247
00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:12,760
so little of Swift on the server.

1248
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Um, there is enough that goes into the

1249
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,580
training data for LLMs.  So, and so, and

1250
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:25,480
so they, the, the, the, if you ask

1251
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,440
chat GPT or windsurf, they can, they can

1252
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,560
answer enough, uh, uh, much more than, than

1253
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,080
we quit soap or stuff like that.

1254
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:36,940
Uh, so no, yes.

1255
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:37,160
Yeah.

1256
00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:39,280
There is a good community.

1257
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,720
There's a, um, a discord server where you

1258
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,140
can ask for help.

1259
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:49,340
And, uh, uh, it, it, it wasn't the,

1260
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:51,480
the, the hard part for me, uh, to,

1261
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:53,920
to, to move from, from a classic iOS,

1262
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,640
uh, SDK to, to vapor to, to run

1263
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,200
on the server.

1264
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,560
Um, it was a very smooth experience.

1265
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,100
Okay, good.

1266
00:45:02,180 --> 00:45:04,380
Is that, is that, um, well, I mean,

1267
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:08,460
now that you've, uh, crossed the rind, you

1268
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:11,780
know, are you, are you, and you have

1269
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:15,060
a server now as there's now there's other

1270
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:17,300
stuff that you can do as sort of

1271
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,020
like a mental shift for you, right?

1272
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:20,120
Yeah.

1273
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:22,680
But I want to keep the, the, the,

1274
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,500
the most of the functionality on the device

1275
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:29,240
for, uh, a lot of good reasons, at

1276
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,520
least for me, I want to, uh, uh,

1277
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,620
it's so the customatic is a one man

1278
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:34,980
band.

1279
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:40,040
I want to go on vacation and yes,

1280
00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:42,060
and I don't want to be awakened by

1281
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:44,880
any male saying my server is down and

1282
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,100
nobody can use the, the, the, the app.

1283
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:49,860
If, if, if, if the, the, the service

1284
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:52,640
goes down and I call it custom ping,

1285
00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:56,880
if custom ping goes down, there are no

1286
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,620
notification for live episodes, but everything else in

1287
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:01,700
the app continues to work.

1288
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,960
And, uh, hopefully the users are not so

1289
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,440
annoyed that I can, that I have to

1290
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,640
stop my occasions and get back to work.

1291
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:10,580
Right.

1292
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,900
You don't want to have to stop the

1293
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:13,360
vacation to reboot a server.

1294
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,260
No, that's not, never a good idea.

1295
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,460
Boy, I wish for those days, huh, Dave?

1296
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:21,460
I think the last time that was true

1297
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:25,560
for me, I was, was probably 1996.

1298
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,400
I remember it fondly.

1299
00:46:31,060 --> 00:46:32,960
Do you remember the pagers, the days of

1300
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,520
the pagers?

1301
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,140
And then if something would go down, every,

1302
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,660
everyone would get a ping and then the

1303
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:40,800
morning your battery would be empty because something

1304
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,540
just went down.

1305
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,660
It was all night.

1306
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,000
Your pager was vibrating.

1307
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:45,780
You didn't hear it.

1308
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:49,160
And just this horrible, horrible mess of page

1309
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:49,760
messages.

1310
00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:52,680
I get the same from human beings, from

1311
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,220
patients.

1312
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,460
Oh, sure.

1313
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:54,980
Yes.

1314
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,940
Oh, doctor, doctor, help me.

1315
00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:58,840
Help me.

1316
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,660
Oh yes.

1317
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,040
Reboot, please.

1318
00:47:02,460 --> 00:47:03,780
Doc, can you reboot me?

1319
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,500
That's great.

1320
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,180
That's great.

1321
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:08,520
So let's talk about, um, the elephant in

1322
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,620
the room, which is wallets.

1323
00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:11,700
Wallets, okay.

1324
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,660
Then I, then I need to ask you

1325
00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:17,860
some, a little thing about, uh, let's talk

1326
00:47:17,860 --> 00:47:18,840
about wallets first.

1327
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,900
Well, no, why don't you go first?

1328
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:21,760
You're the guest, please.

1329
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:22,240
Okay.

1330
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:22,480
Okay.

1331
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:22,740
Okay.

1332
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:22,940
Okay.

1333
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Uh, I would, it's a little thing.

1334
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,040
I would like you to fix podcasting.

1335
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:31,760
Uh, I'm at your, at your service.

1336
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:33,540
How can I, how can I be, how

1337
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:34,800
can we be of service to you, doctor?

1338
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:35,380
Okay.

1339
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,300
No, there's an issue that I, um, I

1340
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,240
keep getting into from different direction.

1341
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:45,900
And, uh, it's the, the, the fact that,

1342
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,760
uh, uh, podcasts are not, um, identified by

1343
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,780
their, their RSS feed.

1344
00:47:54,240 --> 00:48:00,280
Um, when, uh, um, when I get a

1345
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,700
pod ping notification from pod ping, uh, I

1346
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:07,380
receive the pod ping and it has an

1347
00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:09,360
RSS feed for that.

1348
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:14,640
So I can send, uh, all the notifications

1349
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,780
I need to all the users that are

1350
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:20,060
subscribed to that RSS feed.

1351
00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:24,700
But there might be, and there are a

1352
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:27,040
lot of users that are, that are subscribed

1353
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,640
to that show with another RSS feed.

1354
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:34,680
Uh, for the classic example is me.

1355
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,160
Yeah.

1356
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:36,900
No agenda.

1357
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:37,560
No agenda.

1358
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:39,480
I know exactly what the problem is.

1359
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:39,720
Yeah.

1360
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,880
Or just sometimes they put the address, uh,

1361
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,320
with the keyboard, right.

1362
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,260
In the, in the app.

1363
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,020
So they put it with the HTTP.

1364
00:48:49,340 --> 00:48:52,780
Sometimes the, the, the, the correct addresses, HPP,

1365
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:53,840
HTTPS.

1366
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:55,180
And so it's different.

1367
00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:57,140
So I have to store the, the, the,

1368
00:48:57,140 --> 00:49:00,140
the RSS feed the URL with, without the,

1369
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:03,160
the, the scheme, but it's not like that.

1370
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,960
For example, a lot of some users are

1371
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,900
subscribed to a podcasting 2.0, uh, via

1372
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:14,880
the IPFS address of the RSS feed.

1373
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,360
Yes.

1374
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,920
And, uh, and, uh, I can't send them,

1375
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,980
uh, the notification because the notification says that

1376
00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:25,900
there's a new episode or live episodes for,

1377
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:33,020
uh, podcastindex.org slash pc2o.xml and, and,

1378
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,280
and, and not for, for the IPFS.

1379
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:40,700
And so this fact that, um, uh, RSS

1380
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:43,740
feeds were, were, were invented for blog posts

1381
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:47,240
and that there was no need to uniquely

1382
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:52,340
identify one blog post, uh, between different, uh,

1383
00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:57,000
URLs because the people just received those and

1384
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:57,440
read those.

1385
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,760
With podcasting, it's getting more and more important

1386
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,380
for, for other service like podping to, to

1387
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:06,040
identify that one podcast that there might be

1388
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,520
10 different addresses that all point to the

1389
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,240
same podcast.

1390
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,220
And so, um, the, the, the, the, the

1391
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:15,800
GUID is the, the, the right idea.

1392
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,000
It is in the, in the, uh, in

1393
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,580
the, uh, specification, but not everybody uses that.

1394
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:28,020
And podping doesn't specify the, the, the GUID

1395
00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:29,720
of the podcast.

1396
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,080
And I think that might be useful either

1397
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,000
or specify that the GUID of the podcast

1398
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,160
in the podping or maybe, uh, improve the

1399
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,300
podping tag.

1400
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,740
Uh, it's called, uh, uses podping, I think,

1401
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,460
but nobody used this.

1402
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,300
That's, and, uh, I think it should be

1403
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:54,000
mandatory and specify over there with what is

1404
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,900
the canonical URL that will be advertised in

1405
00:50:57,900 --> 00:50:58,640
the podpings.

1406
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,880
I, uh, I yield the rest of my

1407
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,220
time to the distinguished gentleman from Alabama.

1408
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:09,840
No, I've, I've, I feel your pain.

1409
00:51:09,940 --> 00:51:12,140
I know, I understand the problem.

1410
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:12,620
Exactly.

1411
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,740
I think, um, you know, my, my first

1412
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:22,020
inclination is to fix this.

1413
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:24,460
It's okay.

1414
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,540
Let's step back for a second because the,

1415
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:31,700
the same way that you don't, that you

1416
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:33,960
sort of have a, you have an ideology

1417
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,700
of keeping the app on the device being

1418
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:43,880
self-sufficient, the Castamatic needs to be able

1419
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,320
to function by itself without having to need

1420
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,840
a server.

1421
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,560
If it has a server, great, but it

1422
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,000
shouldn't have to have one.

1423
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:56,040
And it's sort of the same thing with

1424
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:01,880
the index, you know, podcasting, uh, podcasting 2

1425
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,200
.0 features need to be able to function

1426
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,560
without the index.

1427
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,960
We can't, we can't implement, we can't implement

1428
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,120
new functionality and new features into podcasting that

1429
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,620
depend on our API or the podcast index

1430
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:22,380
to exist.

1431
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:25,200
And so the, the idea behind the GUID

1432
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,900
was that if the GUIDs are in there,

1433
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:34,260
if the GUIDs are in the feed, then

1434
00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:38,400
we can all, then we can all track

1435
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,580
them over time in our own databases.

1436
00:52:40,580 --> 00:52:43,860
And we don't have to depend on some

1437
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:48,760
sort of central, uh, repository of like a

1438
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:55,160
central resolver, but the, the index has become

1439
00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:01,240
sort of a central resolver because we, because

1440
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,400
it was sort of a bootstrap situation where,

1441
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,480
you know, not, not, not, not a lot

1442
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,720
of feeds in the beginning had GUIDs.

1443
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,180
And so we began, you know, we had,

1444
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,100
we sort of created them all.

1445
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,840
And so we've kind of ended up in

1446
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,140
this position where I don't, we've ended up

1447
00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:24,740
in a position that I don't like very

1448
00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:29,060
much, a position where we, we are sort

1449
00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:31,480
of the central resolver for GUIDs, but that's

1450
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,440
not the way it's supposed to actually work.

1451
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:38,420
And I'm not entirely clear how to, how

1452
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:41,260
to kind of rewind out of that or

1453
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:42,660
unwind that problem.

1454
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,960
But, but I, you know, I guess my

1455
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,740
first, taking one thing you said, GUIDs in

1456
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:55,180
the pod pings, that makes sense.

1457
00:53:55,820 --> 00:53:58,020
So, well, let's talk about GUIDs for a

1458
00:53:58,020 --> 00:53:58,160
second.

1459
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,620
Like another idea behind the GUID, not just

1460
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:08,280
having decentralized identifiers that we would all stay

1461
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,340
in, in where all the directories could stay

1462
00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:12,400
in sync with each other.

1463
00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:17,860
It's not just that it's also that if

1464
00:54:17,860 --> 00:54:21,540
you're going to reference an item somewhere else.

1465
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:23,120
So if we think of, if we think,

1466
00:54:23,220 --> 00:54:25,920
if you think of, of RSS podcasting as

1467
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,620
a directory itself, like without a database, you

1468
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:34,940
just think of, okay, every record can be

1469
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:37,340
identified by a key.

1470
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:40,020
Every episode can be identified.

1471
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:42,740
Every episode is an object.

1472
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:46,500
And that object can be addressed by a

1473
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:46,840
key.

1474
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:51,580
And that key consists of a URL and

1475
00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:54,600
an episode GUID, a feed URL and an

1476
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,280
episode GUID.

1477
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Well, that, that's fine.

1478
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,760
But then we all know the problem is

1479
00:54:58,760 --> 00:54:59,780
the URLs change.

1480
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:01,620
And so once the URLs change, if somebody

1481
00:55:01,620 --> 00:55:04,520
moves from one hosting company to another, then

1482
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,520
that now that link is broken.

1483
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:09,580
It's sort of like an RSS sort of

1484
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:11,720
like a website link when the web, when

1485
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,280
the blog, a link to a blog article

1486
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,380
and the blog changes its domain name.

1487
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:19,860
So the GUID is supposed to take the

1488
00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:22,180
place of the, of the feed URL and

1489
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:24,500
say, okay, now I have a consistent value

1490
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:25,680
that'll never change.

1491
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,760
And that GUID relates back to some feed

1492
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,640
and I can follow the redirects in my

1493
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,880
own directory and always know what that thing

1494
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,280
is.

1495
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:42,420
So the, the problem that we run into

1496
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:44,440
consistently, and this is something that I was

1497
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,980
meant to talk about last week, but I

1498
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:50,520
know is, has caused people problems, lots of

1499
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,580
people problems with the podcast index itself.

1500
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,020
Is that we try to stay in sync

1501
00:55:57,020 --> 00:55:57,980
with Apple's directory.

1502
00:55:59,380 --> 00:56:03,780
If, if we didn't do that, it, if

1503
00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:05,880
I, if I didn't care about staying in

1504
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,460
sync with Apple, then what I would do

1505
00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:13,200
is just always follow 300, you know, 300

1506
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,180
level redirects and everything would just always update

1507
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:18,200
it.

1508
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,260
We would always have the most current URL

1509
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:24,920
for every podcast, but because I've always taken

1510
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,440
this stance of staying in sync with Apple,

1511
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,760
with Apple's directory, sometimes people will change, will

1512
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,340
move from one hosting company to another, but

1513
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:36,880
then they don't go into Apple podcasts, connect

1514
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,540
and change their URL there.

1515
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,080
So Apple's directory will say that it's the

1516
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,340
old URL for sometimes weeks or months afterwards,

1517
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,640
even though they've actually changed to a new

1518
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:50,420
feeder URL.

1519
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,900
And it's gotten so, it's gotten to be

1520
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:58,480
such a problem that I'm really considering just,

1521
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:05,700
just stopping that and letting our directory drift

1522
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:07,340
away from Apple's directory.

1523
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:12,360
But because I, I mean, I want, I

1524
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,680
really want for someone who looks up an

1525
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:22,240
iTunes ID on Apple and us, I want

1526
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,840
it to always return the same, the same

1527
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,540
URL for that iTunes ID.

1528
00:57:26,820 --> 00:57:28,060
That's why I want that.

1529
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:32,320
But it's, but the having to keep that,

1530
00:57:32,580 --> 00:57:37,140
having to keep that in place is causing

1531
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:38,300
these other problems.

1532
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,900
And I'm, I'm just, I guess I'm just

1533
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,880
not sure that it's worth it anymore because

1534
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,000
what, you know, do you have a, I

1535
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,020
mean, do you have any thoughts on that?

1536
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:51,280
Yeah, right now it's, it's, it's already not

1537
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,240
working because if you, if you look for

1538
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,400
podcasting 2.0 on a podcast index, you

1539
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,180
get the feeds.podcastindex.org address.

1540
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,080
If you look it on the iTunes API,

1541
00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:10,440
you get the mp3s.nation.com address.

1542
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,940
Let me just explain two things there.

1543
00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:15,240
One is I think we still have a

1544
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,440
temporary redirect and that's my mistake.

1545
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,980
I should change that to permanent.

1546
00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:19,740
It's permanent.

1547
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:20,360
It's permanent.

1548
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:22,460
But Apple doesn't, doesn't, doesn't.

1549
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:22,880
Right.

1550
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:25,760
Well, the second thing is we didn't add

1551
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,600
that to Apple's database.

1552
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:29,740
Someone else did, which is of course should

1553
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:32,540
never happen, but it did.

1554
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:34,420
And we don't know who did it, but

1555
00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:35,340
someone added that.

1556
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,940
But I think just by saying on this

1557
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:39,920
podcast that that needs to be changed in

1558
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,120
Apple's index, it just might happen.

1559
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:43,620
Okay.

1560
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:43,960
Might.

1561
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:44,500
It might.

1562
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:45,420
Okay.

1563
00:58:46,060 --> 00:58:48,800
But you know, at this point, I'm not

1564
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,900
so sure that it matters that much if,

1565
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:54,840
and by the way, I'm laying all this

1566
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,200
out as groundwork because I want to get,

1567
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,860
I want to actually answer your question, but

1568
00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:59,080
I want to make sure we all understand

1569
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,260
the, the full extent of, of all the

1570
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:01,740
problems.

1571
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:07,960
But like, I'm, I'm starting to wonder, you

1572
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,580
know, it may not matter that much if

1573
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:14,760
these things drift because the other problem, what

1574
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,720
I mean is if our directory drifts away

1575
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,700
from Apple's directory, because the other problem is

1576
00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:29,220
the, is when, when we, when we have

1577
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:33,320
one URL and Apple has a different one

1578
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,620
and we stay in sync with Apple, then

1579
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:41,100
if somebody adds the same podcast again with

1580
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:44,040
the new URL, now there's a duplicate in

1581
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,100
the, in the podcast index.

1582
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:48,380
And so, and it all.

1583
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:48,940
Yeah.

1584
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:49,820
Right.

1585
00:59:50,180 --> 00:59:52,400
And so like we, we actually had, I

1586
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,020
have multiple deduplication scripts that run 24 seven

1587
00:59:58,020 --> 00:59:59,860
that are trying to fix this problem.

1588
01:00:00,420 --> 01:00:06,020
And the, the Achilles heel is always the

1589
01:00:06,020 --> 01:00:07,140
iTunes directory.

1590
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,280
Because what, what the first thing I do

1591
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,700
when somebody, when, when a new, when I'm

1592
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:16,060
checking a new podcast that gets added is

1593
01:00:16,060 --> 01:00:19,080
I look to see if that podcast is

1594
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,060
in iTunes.

1595
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:21,960
And if it does, does it have an

1596
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,280
ID that matches an ID we already have?

1597
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:27,800
And if that hit matches, then it deduplicates

1598
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,580
it, but it's always going to be pointing

1599
01:00:31,580 --> 01:00:34,580
to it, but it's pointing to the wrong

1600
01:00:34,580 --> 01:00:35,540
place.

1601
01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:39,620
So we have, so there's this discrepancy because

1602
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:42,500
we are, you know, that I just think

1603
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:43,840
it's okay.

1604
01:00:43,940 --> 01:00:46,320
So if we solve this problem, if I

1605
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,320
just say, okay, forget it, the iTunes IDs,

1606
01:00:49,780 --> 01:00:52,280
they're just going to be what they are.

1607
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,280
I can't keep them in sync.

1608
01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:59,580
Then maybe what we, maybe that will make

1609
01:00:59,580 --> 01:01:03,960
this other process easier where we could do

1610
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:09,580
something like, um, do a lookup when the

1611
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:12,840
pod pings come through to get the GUID

1612
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,800
and insert the GUID along with the, the

1613
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:16,440
pod ping.

1614
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,960
Um, I think that may help, you know?

1615
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:26,860
Yes, but it makes it a little more,

1616
01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:30,120
more reliant on, on, on, uh, on the

1617
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:30,500
index.

1618
01:01:30,860 --> 01:01:33,340
If I have to, to, to look up

1619
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:35,700
for the GUID on the, on the index.

1620
01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:36,740
Right.

1621
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,780
Or, or we could deduplicate the URL when

1622
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:41,860
the pod ping, if the pod ping comes

1623
01:01:41,860 --> 01:01:46,440
through, we could do deduplicate it there and

1624
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,080
make sure that we always give you the

1625
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,540
most recent redirect URL instead of just always

1626
01:01:52,540 --> 01:01:54,060
finding the thing to match Apple.

1627
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:57,500
I'm not sure that this, um, solves the,

1628
01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:00,020
the every, every issue because if on the,

1629
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,540
on the app, the user is subscribed to

1630
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:09,220
the IPFS address, for example, uh, there, I

1631
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:13,380
don't know how Customatic can listen to pod

1632
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:15,440
pings for another feed URL.

1633
01:02:16,060 --> 01:02:19,240
Uh, you know, this, this disambiguation can happen.

1634
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,640
I think it can happen only on the,

1635
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,540
uh, on the RSS feed, because if Customatic

1636
01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:31,640
knows you are subscribed to IPFS.com, blah,

1637
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:35,220
blah, blah, uh, the applicant can, can ask

1638
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:39,260
the index, what's the GUID for IPFS.org

1639
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:42,660
podcasting 2.0. And the index doesn't know

1640
01:02:42,660 --> 01:02:45,440
about it because it stores the, the, the,

1641
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,500
the correct URL.

1642
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,920
But, uh, the, the, the easiest thing, uh,

1643
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,780
from a technical standpoint should be to, to

1644
01:02:55,780 --> 01:03:00,440
express the canonical feed URL in the RSS

1645
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,560
feed, which is a thing that, uh, Atom

1646
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:04,540
used to do.

1647
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,060
Uh, there, there's a, uh, a Atom link.

1648
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,920
Uh, the old Atom wars.

1649
01:03:11,140 --> 01:03:11,260
Yeah.

1650
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,120
I remember those.

1651
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:12,600
Yes.

1652
01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:14,720
That's the only thing that they did good.

1653
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,880
Simply every RSS feed specified, Hey, I don't

1654
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,200
know which URL you downloaded this RSS feed

1655
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,500
from, but you have to look for updates

1656
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:29,960
on this one, which is the canonical feed

1657
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,020
URL that my publisher chose.

1658
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:34,340
And you should look for that.

1659
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,260
And you should look for pod pings that

1660
01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:40,860
express this canonical feed URL independently from where

1661
01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:42,680
you downloaded this feed URL.

1662
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,560
And that, that, that could be, could, could

1663
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,300
solve it.

1664
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,640
Or, uh, I don't know if it does

1665
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:50,320
solve it though.

1666
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,740
The Franca is so let me give you

1667
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:53,360
this scenario.

1668
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:57,920
This here's, here's another thing that can happen.

1669
01:03:57,980 --> 01:04:02,400
And that does happen is I have a

1670
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:09,020
podcast on bus sprout and the podcast.

1671
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:11,840
And I continue to have that podcast on

1672
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,200
bus sprout, even though I'm actually, I've moved

1673
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,520
it over to rss.com.

1674
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:21,820
And now I have two identical podcasts, one

1675
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:23,600
on bus route, one on rss.com.

1676
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:29,820
I stopped updating the bus route podcast, and

1677
01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:31,840
now I'm putting new episodes in the rss

1678
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,920
.com podcast.

1679
01:04:33,780 --> 01:04:37,000
But in that, in, in, in the scenario

1680
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,300
with a, with a canonical URL link in

1681
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:41,480
the feed, they're both going to point to

1682
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:42,060
themselves.

1683
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,000
Yes.

1684
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,340
So now you still have to do podcasts.

1685
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,080
Right.

1686
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:47,700
Right.

1687
01:04:47,740 --> 01:04:50,940
Well, sometimes they, sometimes they actually continue updating

1688
01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:51,400
both.

1689
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:52,380
Yeah.

1690
01:04:52,540 --> 01:04:55,560
And they should be, I think that those

1691
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,060
should be considered two different podcasts.

1692
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,400
Right.

1693
01:04:59,940 --> 01:05:00,160
Yeah.

1694
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,520
And they'll have, they'll have two separate iTunes

1695
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,020
IDs, even though they're actually identical and they

1696
01:05:05,020 --> 01:05:06,180
send content and everything.

1697
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:07,980
They are on different servers.

1698
01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:10,540
They can be updated independently one from the

1699
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:12,880
other, and they should be considered two different

1700
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,220
ones.

1701
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:16,640
But if you have one file, one original

1702
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,980
feed with a lot of addresses, but they

1703
01:05:18,980 --> 01:05:22,100
all point to one file, one rss feed,

1704
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,600
those must be considered one podcast.

1705
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:28,280
Right.

1706
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:28,500
Yeah.

1707
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,500
That's Daniel saying the solutions to redirect the

1708
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:32,100
old feed URL.

1709
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:32,720
Yeah.

1710
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,580
I understand that Daniel.

1711
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:35,520
And we do that.

1712
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:37,520
But that doesn't fix the IPFS issue.

1713
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:38,640
Right.

1714
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,540
That doesn't fix the IPFS issue.

1715
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,300
And it doesn't fix the issue where people

1716
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:46,700
don't update, don't update Apple, their Apple podcast

1717
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:47,380
connect URL.

1718
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,600
And then sometimes they'll have two, you know,

1719
01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:53,120
they'll have two separate IDs, two separate iTunes

1720
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,380
IDs pointing to the same feed URL or,

1721
01:05:55,820 --> 01:05:59,840
you know, there's, it's, it's so much that

1722
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,320
what I'm saying, I I'm saying, Daniel, that

1723
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,220
I agree with you that they, if we

1724
01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:10,740
stop trying to stay in sync with, with

1725
01:06:10,740 --> 01:06:14,720
Apple's directory, then we'll, we will just always

1726
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,880
follow the redirects and never check with Apple

1727
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,120
to make sure that it's okay.

1728
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,120
But that can be an opportunity.

1729
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,040
We can be better than the Apple's directory

1730
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,820
and fix these kinds of things.

1731
01:06:28,460 --> 01:06:31,200
And maybe more apps will use the index

1732
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,860
instead of iTunes API because they are more

1733
01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:35,300
reliable.

1734
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:36,020
I don't know.

1735
01:06:36,580 --> 01:06:38,440
Well, you know, you may be right on

1736
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:39,260
that too.

1737
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,920
You know, you may be right on that,

1738
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:49,140
that the, if the, if the standard is

1739
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:55,520
moving hosts means doing a HTTP redirect, then

1740
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,960
having that be the only thing, the only

1741
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:03,780
way to solve the problem or the only

1742
01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:07,240
way that the index considers solving the problem,

1743
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:12,880
that's more true to what RSS podcasting is.

1744
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:15,760
Yeah.

1745
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:18,040
I mean, we just, we need to, I

1746
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,720
totally understand the problem.

1747
01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:20,800
We're going to have to figure out how

1748
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:21,400
to fix this.

1749
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,280
Yeah.

1750
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,940
I know I put you in a difficult

1751
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:25,500
position.

1752
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:28,480
No, I just, we've needed to talk about

1753
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,800
it for a while and it, you know,

1754
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:32,920
there is a solution.

1755
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,100
We just have to find it.

1756
01:07:34,820 --> 01:07:34,920
Yeah.

1757
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,140
Um, you know, we just, we're going to

1758
01:07:38,140 --> 01:07:41,820
have to figure, I think something like a

1759
01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:46,920
unique identifier that follows a podcast everywhere from

1760
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,840
host to host, from news, from, from location

1761
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,940
to location is the way to do it.

1762
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,620
You just, I just don't want there to

1763
01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:58,200
have to be a central resolver.

1764
01:07:59,220 --> 01:07:59,620
Yeah.

1765
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:00,720
I agree with that.

1766
01:08:00,780 --> 01:08:01,560
That makes it harder.

1767
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:01,980
100%.

1768
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:02,340
Yes.

1769
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:02,720
Yes.

1770
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:03,540
I agree with that.

1771
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,500
So I'm, yeah, well, I think we'll, we'll

1772
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:10,120
figure it out.

1773
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:12,100
I, the, the IPFS thing is a good

1774
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:12,400
point.

1775
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,500
Cause I don't know how, yeah, that's a

1776
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:15,420
tricky, tricky one.

1777
01:08:16,899 --> 01:08:19,439
Um, at that point, cause it really, it's,

1778
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:21,260
it's not a separate feed at that point.

1779
01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:24,220
It's really just sort of passing it through

1780
01:08:24,220 --> 01:08:26,020
some other, it's almost like a proxy.

1781
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,700
Well, that solved nothing.

1782
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,020
No, no, we're, we're, we're no better than

1783
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:35,319
we were.

1784
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,939
We're more aware of the problem.

1785
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:38,380
Yes.

1786
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:40,160
Yes.

1787
01:08:40,580 --> 01:08:40,819
Yeah.

1788
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:45,620
It's a good one to bring up though.

1789
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:46,240
That's for sure.

1790
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:47,080
I appreciate that.

1791
01:08:47,819 --> 01:08:49,660
It's definitely something we ought to work on.

1792
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:54,260
Well, you know, if Daniel's saying people don't

1793
01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:56,399
need to update their Apple podcast connect URL,

1794
01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:58,240
well, if that's the case, well then why

1795
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:58,899
are they different?

1796
01:08:59,180 --> 01:09:03,560
Sometimes there, there are definitely feeds in Apple's

1797
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:09,380
directory that, that are, that do not have

1798
01:09:09,380 --> 01:09:12,140
the current URL that followed the redirect.

1799
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:12,800
Yeah.

1800
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,100
We've seen that for sure.

1801
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,779
Well, I mean, ours is a perfect example.

1802
01:09:16,859 --> 01:09:20,979
Ours is, ours is a redirect, you know,

1803
01:09:20,979 --> 01:09:22,640
and it's still got the, it has the

1804
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,979
non-redirected URL in Apple's directory.

1805
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,979
So something is not always, that can't always

1806
01:09:29,979 --> 01:09:30,859
be the case.

1807
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,020
Now there may be that there has to

1808
01:09:33,020 --> 01:09:35,399
be a redirect and an iTunes new feed

1809
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:41,560
URL tag, but, but our podcasting 2.0

1810
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,580
feed has been in there forever.

1811
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:46,960
I mean, it's been in there for like

1812
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,700
three years now and it's always been the,

1813
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:55,500
it's always been the, you know, a redirect

1814
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:56,560
to this other feed.

1815
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,160
Um, so I don't know.

1816
01:10:00,260 --> 01:10:01,260
We'll, we'll just have to figure it out.

1817
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,640
I don't want to get too bogged down

1818
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,420
in the weeds, but I mean, something, something

1819
01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:08,540
is not right because I see this problem

1820
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:12,420
too often to, for it to be as

1821
01:10:12,420 --> 01:10:14,500
simple as they're always following redirects.

1822
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:15,620
I just don't think they are.

1823
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,660
I think there are, I think there are

1824
01:10:17,660 --> 01:10:21,100
certain scenarios where for some reason that doesn't

1825
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:21,540
happen.

1826
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,160
Um, and I don't know what those conditions

1827
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:26,640
are.

1828
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,740
If I'm wrong, they don't know.

1829
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:31,040
Yeah.

1830
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:32,920
They don't tell you if I, if I'm

1831
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:33,760
wrong, that's fine.

1832
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,960
And, and, and maybe I'm just misunderstanding what

1833
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,760
I'm seeing, but I'm, I'm 99.9%

1834
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,200
sure because I see the problems happen in

1835
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:44,820
real time.

1836
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,400
I think they just don't follow the redirects.

1837
01:10:48,540 --> 01:10:50,580
They just, they just look for the new

1838
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:51,580
feed URL.

1839
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,080
According to Daniel J.

1840
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:56,560
Lewis, uh, podcasting 2.0 is using the

1841
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,320
feeds.podcastindex.org slash two O PC two

1842
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,100
O dot XML feed.

1843
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,540
So maybe that just got updated while we

1844
01:11:05,540 --> 01:11:06,120
were talking.

1845
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:09,980
Maybe it's possible.

1846
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,560
It's possible.

1847
01:11:12,020 --> 01:11:15,960
Yeah, this, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll have to

1848
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,660
investigate to what is happening because it's something,

1849
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,400
there is a, an inconsistency here that I

1850
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:22,300
do not understand.

1851
01:11:24,740 --> 01:11:29,860
Um, and I, I don't know my, my

1852
01:11:29,860 --> 01:11:34,360
gut feeling is that sometimes my gut feeling

1853
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,960
is that there are certain conditions, uh, that

1854
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,940
are not, how do I need to say

1855
01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:43,260
this?

1856
01:11:45,020 --> 01:11:49,600
No, knowing not just Apple, but knowing how

1857
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,600
lots of these things work, including our directory

1858
01:11:54,600 --> 01:12:00,860
there, everybody's directory has a set of conditions

1859
01:12:00,860 --> 01:12:02,820
they're looking for to know when to make

1860
01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:03,920
a change and when not to.

1861
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,740
This is very similar to any sort of

1862
01:12:06,740 --> 01:12:10,560
like, um, trying to keep things in sync,

1863
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:14,380
uh, Dropbox, OneDrive, all these cloud storage things

1864
01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:15,820
that sink between multiple computers.

1865
01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:18,400
It's a difficult problem because when you, whenever

1866
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,000
you say there's not one source of truth,

1867
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,000
there could be multiples.

1868
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,480
Now you have to have a set of

1869
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:29,060
conditions where if this and this and this

1870
01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:30,960
are true, but not this other thing is

1871
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,640
true, then make a change.

1872
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,260
But if these other set of things, you

1873
01:12:36,260 --> 01:12:38,940
know, if those things obtain, well, then don't,

1874
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:39,940
don't change anything.

1875
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:42,120
And as soon as you start adding all

1876
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,400
these conditions, it's always going to be possible

1877
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,060
that there could be a set of conditions

1878
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:49,440
that are being met that are non-obvious

1879
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:52,740
where a change is not being made when

1880
01:12:52,740 --> 01:12:53,640
you think it should.

1881
01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:55,420
So we just have to figure out what

1882
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:56,020
that is.

1883
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,560
Um, but I am thinking that we probably

1884
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,600
should just let, just stop trying to be

1885
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,820
so obsessive about keeping the directories in sync

1886
01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:12,620
because if we have an iTunes ID and

1887
01:13:12,620 --> 01:13:16,080
somebody, you know, we, we sort of mimic

1888
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,980
the Apple API as well so that people

1889
01:13:17,980 --> 01:13:19,180
can use us as a fallback.

1890
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,880
If iTunes API lookup goes down and you

1891
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,380
know that, I guess if we're at the

1892
01:13:27,380 --> 01:13:29,860
point where we're being used as a fallback

1893
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:32,540
and you do an iTunes ID lookup with

1894
01:13:32,540 --> 01:13:35,220
us, I guess I need to start looking

1895
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:35,860
at it as well.

1896
01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:36,940
You just kind of get what you get

1897
01:13:36,940 --> 01:13:37,540
at that point.

1898
01:13:38,740 --> 01:13:42,760
Um, you know, you're going to get, you're,

1899
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,660
you're, you're already on plan B.

1900
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,260
So we can't guarantee, you know, we can't

1901
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,940
guarantee purity at that point.

1902
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,820
Can we, um, just take five minutes on

1903
01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:55,260
wallets?

1904
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:56,560
Cause I know Dave, you're going to be

1905
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,000
limited in your time pretty soon.

1906
01:13:58,780 --> 01:13:59,080
Oh yeah.

1907
01:13:59,100 --> 01:13:59,280
Yeah.

1908
01:13:59,280 --> 01:13:59,720
Go ahead.

1909
01:14:00,700 --> 01:14:01,180
Wallets.

1910
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:06,280
Yes.

1911
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:07,320
Go out there.

1912
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:09,420
They're often broken now.

1913
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:12,720
They are all, this is very difficult.

1914
01:14:13,020 --> 01:14:13,240
Yes.

1915
01:14:13,540 --> 01:14:16,400
But I think it's a point of transition.

1916
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,220
Where's your head at right now?

1917
01:14:18,260 --> 01:14:21,080
Cause I know the biggest problem is, um,

1918
01:14:21,140 --> 01:14:23,660
because you're standalone app and even worse, there

1919
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:26,360
is no strike or any LN wallet type

1920
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:27,800
service available in Italy.

1921
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:28,960
Yeah.

1922
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:29,920
Uh, yes.

1923
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:30,620
Just like that.

1924
01:14:30,740 --> 01:14:31,160
Why is that?

1925
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,340
Not available in Italy.

1926
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:32,800
Is it?

1927
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:33,620
I don't know.

1928
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,420
A striker continues to, to, to, to send

1929
01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:39,240
tweets saying that strike is available all over

1930
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,720
Europe, but it is not because in Spain,

1931
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,700
in Portugal, in Italy, I don't know, maybe,

1932
01:14:44,860 --> 01:14:45,360
I don't know.

1933
01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:47,580
Some other countries is not available in Brazil,

1934
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:48,920
in Japan is not available.

1935
01:14:49,180 --> 01:14:52,380
So I, I, I sent them tweets.

1936
01:14:52,460 --> 01:14:53,960
I sent them an email.

1937
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:55,360
Nobody answers.

1938
01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:57,880
So I really don't know what they're doing.

1939
01:14:58,440 --> 01:14:58,740
Hmm.

1940
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,600
Can you hang in there though?

1941
01:15:00,740 --> 01:15:02,340
Do you, are you, are you okay for

1942
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:02,640
now?

1943
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:05,760
Yes.

1944
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,640
Customatic works okay with, with Albi.

1945
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,100
Uh, it needs a little extra step to,

1946
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:15,800
to install, uh, Albi hub, which is really,

1947
01:15:15,940 --> 01:15:19,140
really not difficult because, uh, uh, it can

1948
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:20,600
run on, on a server.

1949
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,740
It can run on your, on your PC

1950
01:15:23,740 --> 01:15:27,120
if you leave it running and connected to

1951
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,120
the, to the internet.

1952
01:15:28,260 --> 01:15:28,500
Yeah.

1953
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:31,280
Uh, or you, or you can pay, I

1954
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,700
think $8 a month and, uh, or $10

1955
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:37,000
a month if you are desperate and the

1956
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,760
guys in Albi will host it for you.

1957
01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:39,140
Right.

1958
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:42,200
So the, the customatic runs.

1959
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:42,540
Okay.

1960
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:45,160
And to, to, to, to go the way

1961
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,160
of, uh, for value, the users need to,

1962
01:15:48,260 --> 01:15:49,340
to do this extra step.

1963
01:15:49,460 --> 01:15:51,180
I, I, I have to say that when,

1964
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:56,300
when Albi went that way and, uh, uh,

1965
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,080
went from the, the, the, the hosted wallets

1966
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,100
to Albi hub, uh, I didn't see a,

1967
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:07,220
a bigger decline in the wallet users on

1968
01:16:07,220 --> 01:16:08,200
customatic.

1969
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:08,740
Good.

1970
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:09,460
Good.

1971
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,900
And that's just because Dave is using it

1972
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:12,500
for everything.

1973
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:16,320
Well, I would like it to be, to

1974
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:17,940
be easier and to be automatic.

1975
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,600
What I don't want to do is host

1976
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,700
the wallets myself.

1977
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:22,780
I bet I will never.

1978
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,100
No, you don't want to do that.

1979
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:30,180
So if, so what do people, what wallets,

1980
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,840
I'm not talking about podcast stuff anymore.

1981
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:35,340
Like if I just, if I'm an Italian

1982
01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:37,100
and I want to ho and I want

1983
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:38,780
to just have a Bitcoin wallet and buy

1984
01:16:38,780 --> 01:16:40,180
some Bitcoin, what do you, what do you

1985
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:40,580
use?

1986
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,180
I don't know that there are some, but

1987
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,240
I'm good with, I'm good with Albi for

1988
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,040
my, for my users.

1989
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,860
So, uh, sometimes I check other things that

1990
01:16:55,860 --> 01:16:58,040
there's a wallet of Satoshi, I think.

1991
01:16:58,760 --> 01:16:59,240
Okay.

1992
01:16:59,460 --> 01:16:59,740
Yeah.

1993
01:17:00,260 --> 01:17:02,080
There, there, there are many, there, there is

1994
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,740
a, there are some apps like blue wallet

1995
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:07,120
that can interface with, uh, with a lot

1996
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,360
of different service or you go, you can

1997
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,880
do maybe some, some hosted service.

1998
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:19,970
Uh, I think it's not Coinbase.

1999
01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:21,630
It's the, the other one where the one

2000
01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:24,390
with the black UI, uh.

2001
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:25,690
Black UI?

2002
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:26,870
Yeah.

2003
01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:28,210
The black website.

2004
01:17:29,470 --> 01:17:31,910
Like Kraken or Black Lives Matter?

2005
01:17:32,230 --> 01:17:33,070
Kraken, Kraken.

2006
01:17:33,730 --> 01:17:36,550
I think Kraken can, can, can, can host

2007
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:39,590
lightning wallets, but they don't have APIs for,

2008
01:17:39,650 --> 01:17:40,630
for, for other apps.

2009
01:17:40,750 --> 01:17:42,410
So if you, if you want to, to

2010
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:45,510
send the lightning.

2011
01:17:46,110 --> 01:17:48,130
And Coinbase, you have, do you have Coinbase

2012
01:17:48,130 --> 01:17:48,790
in Italy?

2013
01:17:49,770 --> 01:17:51,550
Yes, but I don't think they do.

2014
01:17:51,690 --> 01:17:53,270
I think they, I think they, I think

2015
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:54,350
they do have a lightning.

2016
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:55,910
I think they have a lightning API.

2017
01:17:56,090 --> 01:17:56,650
I could be wrong.

2018
01:17:57,670 --> 01:17:59,570
It says kraken.com slash Italy.

2019
01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:01,450
It says Kraken is committed to Italy.

2020
01:18:01,630 --> 01:18:02,010
There you go.

2021
01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:02,690
There you go.

2022
01:18:02,930 --> 01:18:03,150
With who?

2023
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:04,110
Kraken in Italy.

2024
01:18:04,270 --> 01:18:04,450
Yes.

2025
01:18:04,670 --> 01:18:06,930
But I don't know if, I don't think

2026
01:18:06,930 --> 01:18:09,270
they have APIs for developers.

2027
01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:13,090
Um, I've been watching, I've been looking into

2028
01:18:13,850 --> 01:18:16,190
NWC, which is Noster Wallet Connector.

2029
01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:17,150
Right.

2030
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:20,490
It's, it's a, it's a nice API.

2031
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:22,790
You need to do web sockets, which is

2032
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:26,770
not so, uh, so easy on a mobile

2033
01:18:26,770 --> 01:18:28,170
device, but you can do it.

2034
01:18:28,690 --> 01:18:33,050
Uh, and that might make it, uh, more,

2035
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:36,570
the apps more portable because if many wallets

2036
01:18:36,570 --> 01:18:40,330
implement that the user can, can pick the,

2037
01:18:40,330 --> 01:18:42,090
the, the wallet they want to use.

2038
01:18:42,370 --> 01:18:42,470
Yeah.

2039
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:46,210
CoinOS is one that we have in Italy

2040
01:18:46,210 --> 01:18:48,750
and you know it, it works with, it

2041
01:18:48,750 --> 01:18:50,410
can work with Noster Wallet Connect.

2042
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:53,310
You can do the, the, the, the double

2043
01:18:53,310 --> 01:18:57,990
jump and connect, uh, uh, CoinOS to Albiab

2044
01:18:57,990 --> 01:19:01,250
and Albiab to, to, to whatever you want,

2045
01:19:01,490 --> 01:19:04,570
but CoinOS doesn't support, but they don't support

2046
01:19:04,570 --> 01:19:05,330
KeySend.

2047
01:19:05,790 --> 01:19:06,810
Ah, that's too bad.

2048
01:19:06,930 --> 01:19:07,210
Okay.

2049
01:19:07,390 --> 01:19:10,910
And, and I think that's where, uh, I

2050
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:13,890
think that's where we probably, I think that's

2051
01:19:13,890 --> 01:19:16,150
really the core of what's really wrong at

2052
01:19:16,150 --> 01:19:19,490
this point is that everything is going to

2053
01:19:19,490 --> 01:19:20,890
wallets.

2054
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:23,410
Everything is transitioning to wallets that don't support

2055
01:19:23,410 --> 01:19:23,830
KeySend.

2056
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:24,210
Right.

2057
01:19:24,230 --> 01:19:25,290
That's exactly it.

2058
01:19:25,810 --> 01:19:26,090
Yeah.

2059
01:19:26,890 --> 01:19:27,450
Probably.

2060
01:19:27,730 --> 01:19:33,120
I, I don't know because yes, I, I,

2061
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,880
I, I don't have a lot of experience

2062
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,280
with a lot of wallets because there aren't

2063
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,160
that many here in, in Italy, but.

2064
01:19:42,980 --> 01:19:43,400
Yeah.

2065
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:46,860
Bolt, Bolt 11 is, you know, Bolt 11

2066
01:19:46,860 --> 01:19:49,240
invoices are, or the LNURL.

2067
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:51,920
That's probably, that's just where we're going to

2068
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:52,440
end up.

2069
01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:55,100
And you know, that's.

2070
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:58,200
We need to, to standardize the, the, the,

2071
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,600
the justice system to send the, to send

2072
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,740
the, the, all the metadata we need for,

2073
01:20:03,740 --> 01:20:05,820
for value, for value to work.

2074
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:06,400
Yeah.

2075
01:20:06,820 --> 01:20:07,040
Right.

2076
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,820
Once we have a, a, a, an easy

2077
01:20:09,820 --> 01:20:11,320
way to implement that.

2078
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:14,440
Well, all the, the fountain guys are using,

2079
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:17,700
uh, the Noster protocol, not Noster, the network

2080
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:19,740
itself, but that seems to be working pretty

2081
01:20:19,740 --> 01:20:20,340
well for them.

2082
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,380
Oh, I think they're using the Noster, a

2083
01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:25,300
Noster relay, maybe a private relay.

2084
01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:25,400
Yeah.

2085
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:26,260
It's a private relay.

2086
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:26,700
Sure.

2087
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:27,360
Sure.

2088
01:20:27,460 --> 01:20:28,200
It's a private relay.

2089
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:28,780
Exactly.

2090
01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:31,580
It's not the most, uh, it's not the

2091
01:20:31,580 --> 01:20:33,520
easiest thing to do for a, for a

2092
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,700
developer because you, you need to host.

2093
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:37,760
Oh, I'll send you a relay.

2094
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,320
I'll send you a Python script.

2095
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:39,960
It'll be fine.

2096
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:40,520
Okay.

2097
01:20:40,860 --> 01:20:42,700
Well, but I can buy a cold one

2098
01:20:42,700 --> 01:20:43,740
in a couple of minutes.

2099
01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:47,960
Maybe, maybe an end point.

2100
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:48,460
Yes.

2101
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:49,780
I'll give you an end point.

2102
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:50,340
Yeah, sure.

2103
01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:52,600
An API and, and everybody can implement that.

2104
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:52,760
Yes.

2105
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,920
A non-bearer token authorization.

2106
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:55,500
Yep.

2107
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:55,960
All of that.

2108
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:56,520
No problem.

2109
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,480
I'm, I'm, I'm well versed now.

2110
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:01,340
We got to thank some people.

2111
01:21:01,420 --> 01:21:02,900
Franco, can you hold on for a couple

2112
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:03,320
more minutes?

2113
01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:03,640
Of course.

2114
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:04,040
All right.

2115
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:05,780
Let me, we didn't have a lot of

2116
01:21:05,780 --> 01:21:08,420
boostage coming in because everyone was enthralled, obviously.

2117
01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:12,900
Uh, 1025 stats from Salty Crayon who says,

2118
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:14,980
uh, more wallets to be continued in the

2119
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:15,980
pipe.

2120
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:16,460
All right.

2121
01:21:17,260 --> 01:21:20,420
Dreb Scott with a, uh, mini Striper boost,

2122
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:22,520
77, 77 pre-show boost.

2123
01:21:22,580 --> 01:21:24,940
Just realized I never posted the chappers for

2124
01:21:24,940 --> 01:21:25,480
chappers.

2125
01:21:25,620 --> 01:21:28,140
The chapters for podcasting 2.0 last week.

2126
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:29,840
Oh, just published now.

2127
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:30,760
Sorry about that.

2128
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,400
Life was, has been giving me the one

2129
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:33,840
-two punch quite a bit lately.

2130
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,940
Luckily I'm pretty good at the duck dive

2131
01:21:35,940 --> 01:21:36,720
and dodging thing.

2132
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,100
And things are on the upswing on a

2133
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:38,760
positive note.

2134
01:21:39,140 --> 01:21:40,800
I'm now down to nine, I'm now down

2135
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,280
19 pounds on my journey to drop 45

2136
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:43,940
pounds.

2137
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:44,480
All right.

2138
01:21:44,540 --> 01:21:45,640
Go podcasting.

2139
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:46,040
Way to go.

2140
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:47,480
You're making Franco the doctor.

2141
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:48,160
Very happy.

2142
01:21:49,420 --> 01:21:50,540
Ah, that's good, man.

2143
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:51,420
Don't worry about it.

2144
01:21:51,460 --> 01:21:54,120
That's the beauty of, uh, of, of cloud

2145
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:54,860
-based chapters.

2146
01:21:54,940 --> 01:21:56,100
You do it when you get to it.

2147
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:56,680
It's all good.

2148
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:56,920
Yep.

2149
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,180
Uh, and a mini Striper boost from Steve

2150
01:21:59,180 --> 01:22:00,680
Webb, the OG Godcaster.

2151
01:22:00,820 --> 01:22:02,920
He says, uh, I believe that I've gotten

2152
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,980
boosts to work again for the Lifespring Audio

2153
01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:05,840
Bible Rewind.

2154
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,220
That's right.

2155
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:08,080
We saw you had a problem with the

2156
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,280
handy little alert icons on the podcast index.

2157
01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:13,340
Thanks to anonymous for their booster gram on

2158
01:22:13,340 --> 01:22:15,860
episode two to four, the boardroom spurring me

2159
01:22:15,860 --> 01:22:16,540
on to fix it.

2160
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:17,860
And to Adam for pointing me in the

2161
01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:19,240
right direction on fixing the problem.

2162
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:19,540
Yes.

2163
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:22,280
Uh, we here at podcast index may aim

2164
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,220
to please all the time, but the boosts

2165
01:22:24,220 --> 01:22:24,560
begin.

2166
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,420
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

2167
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:26,740
Yes.

2168
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,020
I hope this email finds you well, definitely.

2169
01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:30,360
Yeah.

2170
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,320
And a delimiter at time already.

2171
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:33,780
Oh, okay.

2172
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,300
Uh, well we've got, while, while you were

2173
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:40,460
talking, I got an email from true fans

2174
01:22:40,460 --> 01:22:43,520
saying, uh, the new version is ready on

2175
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,540
test flight in iOS and it says, it

2176
01:22:46,540 --> 01:22:50,440
says what to test and in the what

2177
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:52,960
to test section, it says nothing new.

2178
01:22:53,860 --> 01:22:58,260
So I'm not sure exactly what, what, what

2179
01:22:58,260 --> 01:23:00,640
lever Sam is pulling over there, but it

2180
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:01,140
did something.

2181
01:23:01,420 --> 01:23:02,640
They pulled some got pulled.

2182
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:02,900
Yeah.

2183
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,160
The lever you've pulled is not active.

2184
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:08,640
Name the podcast, name the podcast.

2185
01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:12,940
The lever you have pulled is not, I

2186
01:23:12,940 --> 01:23:13,700
have no idea.

2187
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:15,600
Uh, this week in Bitcoin.

2188
01:23:16,540 --> 01:23:19,120
Oh, it's not in my rotation.

2189
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,460
Oh, it's in this heavy rotation.

2190
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:22,760
For me, brother, heavy rotation.

2191
01:23:22,780 --> 01:23:23,960
I gotta, I gotta put it on there.

2192
01:23:24,140 --> 01:23:24,700
Yeah, I gotta get it.

2193
01:23:25,540 --> 01:23:26,340
Hold on.

2194
01:23:26,420 --> 01:23:28,860
There's Sam, Sam boosting in with seven, seven,

2195
01:23:29,060 --> 01:23:29,240
seven.

2196
01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:31,480
What a nice and funny man Franco is.

2197
01:23:32,260 --> 01:23:32,820
Well, there you go.

2198
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:33,920
Well, he's, he's in the split.

2199
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,680
So he saw that message himself.

2200
01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:36,140
Beautiful.

2201
01:23:38,180 --> 01:23:41,260
Um, we got one, uh, we got one

2202
01:23:41,260 --> 01:23:43,360
baller boost and that is from bus sprout

2203
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:44,580
$1,000.

2204
01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:51,840
Uh, thank you very much, boys and girls

2205
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:52,460
at bus sprout.

2206
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:55,180
We highly appreciate your support of the project.

2207
01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:57,460
That is very, very kind of you.

2208
01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:59,420
Every month they do it, Dave, every month.

2209
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,860
Is it just me or have they been

2210
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:03,020
kind of quiet lately?

2211
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:04,080
Oh, they're coming.

2212
01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:05,960
I'm sure they're in a six week sprint

2213
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,440
and something's coming out.

2214
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:08,600
We're all going to be blown away.

2215
01:24:09,140 --> 01:24:09,360
Yeah.

2216
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:09,820
They're going to pop.

2217
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,300
They're just going to pop up from behind

2218
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:12,680
Yeah, that's right.

2219
01:24:13,020 --> 01:24:13,500
Yeah.

2220
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,300
They're going to pop up and go, look

2221
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:15,720
at this.

2222
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:18,540
And we got some boosts.

2223
01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:20,380
We got, let's see who we got.

2224
01:24:21,580 --> 01:24:22,500
Oh, there we go.

2225
01:24:22,580 --> 01:24:27,080
We've got, uh, Jeff Scott striper boost 77,

2226
01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:28,380
77 through podverse.

2227
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:29,700
He says pre-show boost.

2228
01:24:29,740 --> 01:24:31,500
I just realized that I just heard that

2229
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:32,060
one.

2230
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,500
Wait, how did you get, Oh, you're reading

2231
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:35,460
from the pre yeah.

2232
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:41,380
Okay.

2233
01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:41,740
You're Yeah.

2234
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:42,540
Yeah.

2235
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:43,600
You did the reach around.

2236
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:44,060
Yeah.

2237
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,400
I'm known for it.

2238
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,020
That's what you're known for.

2239
01:24:48,220 --> 01:24:49,920
Mike Dale, 1701.

2240
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,420
That's a, uh, Star Trek boost through a

2241
01:24:53,420 --> 01:24:53,960
Castamatic.

2242
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:54,500
There we go.

2243
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,860
Castamatic says testing my new Albie hub way

2244
01:24:56,860 --> 01:24:58,000
more trouble than it should be.

2245
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:58,240
Huh?

2246
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,100
Quite easy for me, actually.

2247
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,920
I like, there's a discrepancy here because, uh,

2248
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,580
because Franco said it was no problem, but

2249
01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:10,220
Mike says it was a big problem.

2250
01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:14,160
So Chad F just boosted a 33 33

2251
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,080
great hearing Franco on the show.

2252
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,860
Castamatic is a top tier PC 2.0

2253
01:25:19,860 --> 01:25:20,200
app.

2254
01:25:20,380 --> 01:25:22,520
And he boosted from Castamatic and I can

2255
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,580
reply because Castamatic supports that.

2256
01:25:24,980 --> 01:25:26,520
So I'll say thanks.

2257
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,040
Thanks.

2258
01:25:29,260 --> 01:25:30,080
Nothing to test.

2259
01:25:30,900 --> 01:25:32,040
I wait.

2260
01:25:32,140 --> 01:25:35,100
I hope this boost finds you.

2261
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,580
Well, uh, the ugly quacking duck, that's Bruce

2262
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:41,120
22 22.

2263
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,200
The podcast guru says thank you both.

2264
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,660
Howard to the podcast.

2265
01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:48,800
73 73 and in nine UQD, the ugly

2266
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:49,440
quacking duck.

2267
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,000
Oh, 73 is kilo five alpha.

2268
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:53,160
Charlie, Charlie.

2269
01:25:53,180 --> 01:25:56,020
That sounds suspiciously like a vanity call.

2270
01:25:56,180 --> 01:25:57,800
That is ACC.

2271
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:58,880
Adam Clark Curry.

2272
01:25:59,000 --> 01:25:59,240
Yes.

2273
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:00,140
I would say so.

2274
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:05,080
Brian Intzminger 1653 sass, the podcast guru.

2275
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,000
He's Brian says, uh, maybe I misunderstood, but

2276
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,460
if you're trying to calculate global audience size,

2277
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:13,160
I don't think you can take median downloads

2278
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,700
time, number times, number of active shows to

2279
01:26:15,700 --> 01:26:16,520
get listener count.

2280
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,560
You'll get something closer to downloads per month,

2281
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,080
but many people like me listen to multiple

2282
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,660
shows on a regular basis.

2283
01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:25,580
So I would expect actual listener count to

2284
01:26:25,580 --> 01:26:26,020
be lower.

2285
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:31,180
Well, that may be in response to what

2286
01:26:31,180 --> 01:26:33,200
we were talking about with no agenda from

2287
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,200
OP three on the last show.

2288
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,520
And honestly, uh, I don't put, I don't

2289
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,640
put any value to any of this, but

2290
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,580
I feel if I'm just looking it up

2291
01:26:44,580 --> 01:26:47,160
now, if I look at the OP three,

2292
01:26:47,220 --> 01:26:49,060
it says unique audience.

2293
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,820
Um, that's just, I'll just use that number.

2294
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,640
You know, as long as everyone's using the

2295
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:54,400
number, who cares?

2296
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,800
It's all fuzzy.

2297
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,500
Um, so I'm not sure other than that,

2298
01:27:00,540 --> 01:27:02,300
like, you know, so that's just the unique

2299
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:04,600
audience and I'm sticking to it.

2300
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,940
Franco, are you, is your past, are you

2301
01:27:06,940 --> 01:27:07,660
still podcasting?

2302
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:08,920
Yeah.

2303
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:09,300
Yeah.

2304
01:27:09,820 --> 01:27:11,120
Digitalia is my podcast.

2305
01:27:11,580 --> 01:27:12,020
Digitalia.

2306
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:13,360
Digitalia.

2307
01:27:13,380 --> 01:27:13,560
Yes.

2308
01:27:13,620 --> 01:27:16,120
It's all in Italian of course, but you've

2309
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,640
been going for many years, right?

2310
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:19,460
Oh, it's a 16.

2311
01:27:19,780 --> 01:27:22,400
And before that it was a broadcast Italia.

2312
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:23,260
Nice.

2313
01:27:23,820 --> 01:27:25,400
Five years before that.

2314
01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:25,760
Yes.

2315
01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:26,580
Wow.

2316
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:27,300
How many episodes?

2317
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:32,140
Uh, right now Digitalia is a seven, seven,

2318
01:27:32,260 --> 01:27:32,540
eight.

2319
01:27:33,540 --> 01:27:34,140
Congratulations.

2320
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:36,060
Staying power.

2321
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:37,160
Yeah.

2322
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:41,540
Uh, comic strip blogger, 14 one 45 dilemma

2323
01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:42,660
delimiter through fountain.

2324
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,360
This time he says, howdy Adam and Dave.

2325
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,480
Today I'd like to recommend a podcast, the

2326
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:51,240
audacity to podcast that's celebrating its 15th birthday.

2327
01:27:51,380 --> 01:27:55,940
With an introspective episode entitled 15 regrets from

2328
01:27:55,940 --> 01:27:58,360
15 years of professional podcasting.

2329
01:27:58,420 --> 01:28:00,900
And you can't believe what item eight is

2330
01:28:00,900 --> 01:28:03,640
a banger that can make you a millionaire

2331
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,980
quickly for shizzle.

2332
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,120
Don't miss number eight bros.

2333
01:28:08,380 --> 01:28:09,240
No joke.

2334
01:28:09,580 --> 01:28:13,860
So visit www.the oddest, the audacity to

2335
01:28:13,860 --> 01:28:17,060
podcast.com or search for the audacity to

2336
01:28:17,060 --> 01:28:18,540
podcast in apps.

2337
01:28:18,860 --> 01:28:19,740
Yo CSB.

2338
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,820
I think that's on your stream, isn't it?

2339
01:28:23,420 --> 01:28:24,600
Uh, I've got the future.

2340
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:25,780
You've got the future.

2341
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:26,680
Yeah.

2342
01:28:26,820 --> 01:28:27,600
Future podcast.

2343
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:27,900
Yeah.

2344
01:28:28,340 --> 01:28:28,720
Yeah.

2345
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:29,100
Yeah.

2346
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:31,000
I, I bump into that from time to

2347
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:31,160
time.

2348
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:32,440
Like, Oh, that's a pretty good show.

2349
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,420
And see, we've got some monthlies.

2350
01:28:35,500 --> 01:28:36,880
We got, uh, thank you.

2351
01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:37,260
CSB.

2352
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,260
We got a new media productions.

2353
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:41,140
That's a Todd over there.

2354
01:28:41,780 --> 01:28:42,720
Uh, $30.

2355
01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:43,740
Thank you, Todd.

2356
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,000
And we got a Timothy voice, $10, Michael

2357
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,640
Hall, $5 and 50 cents.

2358
01:28:48,820 --> 01:28:49,820
Jeremy Gertz, $5.

2359
01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:51,480
Gene Liverman.

2360
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:52,760
Hey, Gene, that's $5.

2361
01:28:53,180 --> 01:28:54,760
And Oystein Berha, $5.

2362
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:57,520
Oystein Berha, of course, will be on the

2363
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,560
stream right after we close down the boardroom.

2364
01:28:59,660 --> 01:29:01,320
Thank you all very much for supporting us.

2365
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,400
Value for value is highly appreciated.

2366
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,120
Every dollar, every sat goes right into the

2367
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,080
podcast index.org kitty.

2368
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,860
And, uh, we save it there, uh, for

2369
01:29:10,860 --> 01:29:12,300
a rainy day so that we can keep

2370
01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:13,000
everything running.

2371
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:15,660
Uh, it's all a 100% for podcast

2372
01:29:15,660 --> 01:29:16,440
index.org.

2373
01:29:16,540 --> 01:29:18,460
You can go to that website, podcast index

2374
01:29:18,460 --> 01:29:20,380
.org, scroll down to the bottom.

2375
01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:21,940
There's a big red donate button.

2376
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,420
If you want to send us some fiat

2377
01:29:23,420 --> 01:29:25,680
fund coupons, uh, in the form of PayPal.

2378
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,360
And of course we always accept your booster

2379
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,020
grams, your streaming sats.

2380
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,940
And if you want to send us a

2381
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:34,540
Bitcoin or two, no problem on chain.

2382
01:29:34,620 --> 01:29:34,960
Welcome.

2383
01:29:35,220 --> 01:29:36,000
Always welcome.

2384
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,720
And, uh, and, uh, you're going to need

2385
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:39,180
a Bitcoin.

2386
01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:40,340
You're going to need a Bitcoin.

2387
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:41,000
That's for sure.

2388
01:29:41,380 --> 01:29:43,720
Franco, so good to have you on, uh,

2389
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,400
in the boardroom again, brother, really appreciate, uh,

2390
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,700
what you've been doing for podcasting, especially in

2391
01:29:48,700 --> 01:29:48,980
Italy.

2392
01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:51,420
Uh, you were there way before everyone got

2393
01:29:51,420 --> 01:29:54,880
all, all giddy about, Oh, Spotify, Spotify, podcast,

2394
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:55,900
podcasting, Spotify.

2395
01:29:57,020 --> 01:29:59,940
Um, and, uh, and of course for Castamatic

2396
01:29:59,940 --> 01:30:02,340
brothers, really, really good to have you, uh,

2397
01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:03,240
to have you in the band.

2398
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:04,440
Thank you.

2399
01:30:04,780 --> 01:30:07,200
Uh, it to Castamatic wouldn't be what it

2400
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,960
is now without all the, uh, you all,

2401
01:30:10,580 --> 01:30:12,840
the both of you and all of podcasting

2402
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,960
2.0, uh, people on the, on the

2403
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:16,340
social.

2404
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,720
And so thank you, everybody.

2405
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,820
And thank you for everybody that runs the

2406
01:30:21,820 --> 01:30:24,180
beta and, and, uh, as their lives, their

2407
01:30:24,180 --> 01:30:30,520
podcasting lives destroyed by sometimes, you know, that's

2408
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,040
what betas are for, man.

2409
01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:33,860
Is it, is it out?

2410
01:30:34,060 --> 01:30:35,300
Is it in the app store yet?

2411
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:35,940
Or still in beta?

2412
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,760
No, it's in the app since one hour

2413
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:39,080
ago.

2414
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,080
Oh, there we go.

2415
01:30:43,420 --> 01:30:46,300
You know, I always, I always have mixed

2416
01:30:46,300 --> 01:30:47,980
feelings because I run the beta.

2417
01:30:48,460 --> 01:30:50,600
I go back and forth between the test

2418
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,840
flight beta and the app store version, because

2419
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,600
when I'm in the test, even though I'm

2420
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,400
a premium subscriber to Castamatic, when I'm in

2421
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,080
the test flight, it tells me that I'm

2422
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,940
not, and it bothers me so much that

2423
01:31:01,940 --> 01:31:03,140
sometimes I have to go back.

2424
01:31:03,740 --> 01:31:05,360
It's difficult to avoid that.

2425
01:31:05,540 --> 01:31:05,640
Yes.

2426
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,880
Because Apple makes the, the, the, makes the

2427
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,460
subscriptions on the, on the test flight version

2428
01:31:10,460 --> 01:31:14,760
expire every two hours to test that.

2429
01:31:14,980 --> 01:31:17,560
So, so you can subscribe in the, to

2430
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,540
Castamatic, uh, the, the paid version in the,

2431
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,640
in the test flight version, it doesn't take

2432
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,320
any money from your credit cards, but it

2433
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,240
works and it expires after a couple of

2434
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:29,600
hours.

2435
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,460
So it's really, well, if it worked, I

2436
01:31:32,460 --> 01:31:34,120
would have subscribed twice because I would like

2437
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:34,940
you to get paid twice.

2438
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,820
Anybody who uses Castamatic, be sure and do

2439
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:40,420
a premium and that goes for all podcasts

2440
01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:40,880
apps.

2441
01:31:40,980 --> 01:31:41,600
Yeah, exactly.

2442
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:43,340
Support your, support your developers.

2443
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:44,640
Thank you very much, Franco.

2444
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:47,100
Uh, brother Dave, are you going into the

2445
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:48,060
woods again this weekend?

2446
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,220
No, not in the woods this weekend.

2447
01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:52,220
That's, that's coming up, but I'm, but I

2448
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:54,420
will be, I will be sending pod pain

2449
01:31:54,420 --> 01:31:56,060
tokens shortly after the show.

2450
01:31:56,820 --> 01:31:58,840
And make sure you don't hang up yet,

2451
01:31:58,980 --> 01:31:59,120
Dave.

2452
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:00,140
I want to know who it is.

2453
01:32:00,220 --> 01:32:01,200
He'll share it with me.

2454
01:32:01,300 --> 01:32:01,580
I'm sure.

2455
01:32:01,740 --> 01:32:02,020
Okay.

2456
01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:02,700
All right.

2457
01:32:02,700 --> 01:32:03,080
All right.

2458
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:03,480
Boardroom.

2459
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:04,440
Thank y'all very much.

2460
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,840
This was a, uh, there we go.

2461
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:07,900
We closed the board meeting.

2462
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,000
Thank you for being here.

2463
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:10,300
I don't want that.

2464
01:32:10,440 --> 01:32:10,780
There we go.

2465
01:32:11,940 --> 01:32:14,620
We will be back next Friday with another

2466
01:32:14,620 --> 01:32:17,300
board meeting of podcasting 2.0. See y

2467
01:32:17,300 --> 01:32:17,680
'all there.

2468
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:18,520
Bye-bye.

2469
01:32:32,810 --> 01:32:34,190
That's not that cool.

2470
01:32:34,930 --> 01:32:39,090
You have been listening to podcasting 2.0,

2471
01:32:39,090 --> 01:32:42,930
visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2472
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:46,530
I just love this show.

2473
01:32:46,670 --> 01:32:47,510
So sexy.