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Podcasting 2.0 for April 24th, 2025, episode

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218, Vibe Coding.

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Hello, everybody, we are back.

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It's been a hot minute.

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It is time once again for Podcasting 2

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.0. This is the show we talk all

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about podcasting, what has been, what will be,

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and what will always be.

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In fact, we are the only boardroom that

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gives it to you straight, all the numbers,

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all the facts, no EBITDA.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the

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man whose MVP works bug-free out of

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the box.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.

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Don't say that out loud.

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It's always true.

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It's always true.

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No, it's always true.

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Your MVPs always work out of the box,

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bug-free.

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Bug-free.

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That'll be the day.

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It's true.

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I mean, it may not work as intended,

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but it's bug-free.

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There's a difference.

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There's a difference, you see.

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If you want to talk about unintended, the

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toot I just made about the show, about

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going live on episodes.fm, I'm sure I

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screwed this up somehow again because this is

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the easiest thing possible, and I mess it

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up every single time.

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Then you just copy the URL and then

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paste it.

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That's what I did.

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That's what I did this time, and for

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some reason it says in the open graph

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card that comes up as the preview, it

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says undefined.

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It says listen live to undefined.

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I'm podcasting to it.

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I see it too, undefined.

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Well, that's actually not your fault.

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I think it's just, no, this is the

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thing I've noticed with episodes.fm. It comes

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up as undefined on live shows.

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For some reason it says.

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Yeah, there you go.

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Your link was right, but it says undefined,

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and I'm not sure why.

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Nathan said that's my fault.

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Yes!

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Woo!

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Yes!

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I told you.

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Your MVP post was bug-free.

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When Nathan says it's my fault, what that

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means is I nailed it.

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You did.

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You nailed it.

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I did my part.

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I did my part.

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That Control-C, Control-V action?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Was super perfect.

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Do you remember when the first iPhone didn't

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even have that?

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I do.

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You could not copy paste?

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It got lampooned.

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Yeah, and everybody was like, how could they

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ever do that?

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I mean, talk about an MVP.

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The most basic computer function in the world,

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they launched without it.

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It was, you know, I got the like.

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money in the whole world.

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So I got my Light Phone 3.

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Speaking of copy paste.

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You know, I wanted it.

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I lived the Light Phone 1 lifestyle, you

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know, the Light Phone 2 lifestyle for a

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while.

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And I wanted the Light Phone 3 so

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bad, but it was significantly more expensive than

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the Light Phone 2.

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And so I just, man, I just couldn't

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pull the trigger.

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Well, I mean, you're basically paying for a

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GoFundMe, you know, because you had to pre

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And, you know, I like those guys a

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I like their concept.

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I like what they're doing.

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So I'm like, yeah, it's expensive because the

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thing was 500 bucks.

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And I was like, that's a lot for

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a phone that does very little.

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But I think they nailed it.

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Let me just put it this way.

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They've almost nailed it.

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This thing is fantastic.

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And I've gotten to the point where it's

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a joy to use for what it does.

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Where the Light Phone 2, although I like

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that really small form factor, so this is

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a little bit bigger.

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I mean, it's a useful tool.

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It's not just I have this thing because

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I don't want to use a phone.

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It's like I have this thing because I

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really only need a phone, a calendar, a

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camera, an alarm, podcasts, directions, some notes, a

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hotspot.

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You know, I think that's about it.

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They got music.

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I don't use music.

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Notes is handy.

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But they've just nailed it.

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bigger now.

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I mean, typing on it, although you can

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also use voice to text.

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It is really, really nice.

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You know, it'll come down in price.

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It'll come down in price.

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It's if I, here's the problem.

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If I didn't have this in this, I'm

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glad I did the light phone to experiment.

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Because it told me where my actual pain

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points are.

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And where were they for you?

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So like, if you look at my, I've

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actually noticed this recently.

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If you look at my, the iPhone is

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good about, it'll tell you what your usage

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Like it, it actually tells you a lot.

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It'll say, you know, you're for the past

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week, you've averaged this number of hours of

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usage per day.

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And mine's actually, it's always been fairly low,

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but the last three, four months, it's been

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like very low.

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I mean like a barely over an hour

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a day.

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It's like, and that's all the pickups, all

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the stuff.

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It was, it's like an hour 15, something

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like that average a day.

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And I just, I really just have gotten

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myself out of the phone habit a lot.

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Oh, that's good.

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Congratulations.

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Yeah.

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Thanks.

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But the thing is, um, and so that

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tells that, that's what made me think I

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could use the light phone too.

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I'm like, well, I just don't use the

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phone in a heavy way already.

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But then the thing that hurt the most

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was, um, when, when the, when,

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if I'm trying, if I'm trying to get

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something for work, like for my day job,

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there's like, it just all falls apart.

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You know, you can't do anything.

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Oh no.

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You can't do anything.

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There's no MFA.

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There's no one-time, uh, one-time password

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MFA.

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There's no, um, uh, link, uh, there's no

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QR code scanning.

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No.

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There's no way to, um, to get a

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link to something to sign in.

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It's just like all that stuff.

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Is it's just not, it just doesn't work.

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Right.

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And I can't like, I just can't use

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it.

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That means I have to carry two phones

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because if you're, if you're in any corporate

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environment or not, I mean, a one-time

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password is a must.

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You just have to have it.

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I mean, it's your lifestyle.

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Your alternative lifestyle is just not conducive to

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this because you're, you're a dude named Ben.

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So you, you've got the, uh, you know,

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you've got the inherent responsibility of always being

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there for the actual emergency.

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Uh, whereas, I mean, if I just have

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my, uh, graphene OS phone, I mean, you

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know, I, I look at it and it's

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like, Oh, there's a message here.

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There's a message there.

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There's WhatsApp from Europe.

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There's a signal message from the various, you

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know, stuff that we're doing in groups.

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But if I'm just going out to dinner

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or from going out to walk the dog

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or, you know, just to go to the

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store, I don't need anything more and I,

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and that's just fortunate for my life.

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Uh, and it's, and by the way, the

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camera's pretty decent.

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It has a flashlight.

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Talk about a critical, uh, a critical piece.

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You know, the podcast player, obviously I wish

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it could do value for value.

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Uh, I wish it showed images, but the

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main thing, the two main things that are

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improvements is just the form factor.

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So it's easier to type, uh, than the,

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than the light phone too was.

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And, uh, it does MMS, you know, it

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shows images that are on the light phone

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to the images will go to your email.

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So I just want to see what image

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someone posts.

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And you know, if someone hearts a message

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on an iPhone or whatever, and then it

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shows up as so-and-so hearted the

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iPhone hearted this message.

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So at least I can participate in groups

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anyway.

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So that, that textual representation of a, of

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a, like an emoji or an, or an

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action where it says, you know, someone liked

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or someone hearted or would it, is that

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part of the, is that part of the

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new spec?

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Was it our, uh, our, uh, RCS RCS?

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Is that part of RCS?

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Well, it worked.

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So if I, I use an RCS client

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on my graphene OS and then that actually

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works quite well, integrates well with iPhones.

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And it's very much a, you know, you

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still show up as a green bubble.

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So people know you're a loser.

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Um, but MMS, you know, so it, it

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just sends the code like someone hearted this,

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you know, or someone did a thumbs up

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on this.

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So it doesn't actually show up as a

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thumbs up on the, on the message.

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So, but so, but so I can get

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by very well.

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Then it's responsive.

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It's just great.

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I don't want to talk too much about

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the phone, but I was just, just want

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to throw that at you because I know

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that you were interested.

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Well, uh, BitPunk in the, in the boardroom

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said, I've been liking the Hibby M3 M300

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as a non-phone music player lately.

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It's basically an Android without cell and has

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a three and a half millimeter jack.

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This is actually pretty interesting.

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So I guess if you can put apps

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on it, you can get your podcast.

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That's exactly what I don't want because then

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I'll put another app on, Oh, let me

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put the Coinbase app on it.

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Oh, let me have this app.

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Let me, that before you know it, I'm

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operating on a stupidly small slow phone for

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all the stuff I should do on my

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regular phone.

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But it's not a phone.

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No, but apps, I mean, who calls me?

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Nobody calls me.

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I mean, I have a T-Mobile digits

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on my, on my graphene OS.

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So I, I in effect don't need to,

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it's a phone.

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Now the minute you put that on there,

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it does text message and it does calling

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just over wifi.

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Yeah.

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That's see, this, this is the evolution that

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I went through with with the light phone

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to experiment.

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I went, I was like, I'm not using

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the phone much anyway.

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I want, I want to just kind of

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get rid of it altogether out of my

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life.

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And so I got the, got the light

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phone for the first two to three weeks.

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It was like wonderful.

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And then I was like, and then I

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started to feel the pain points.

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And so I brought my iPhone back into

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my life.

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And so then I had two phones.

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I had, I had the iPhone which would

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stay like it actually stayed at work.

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It was at the office.

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I just left it at my desk all

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the time.

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And then I had the light phone I

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would carry around with me.

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My thought was while I'm at work, then

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I'll need MFA and that kind of thing.

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And then like what happened was two times

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in the same day, I was not at

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the office and I had to log in

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remotely.

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And I was like, I can't do this.

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I can't.

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Anyway, it was bad.

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So here's a just switching gears is an

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interesting statistic for you.

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Okay.

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The current podcasting base, I guess this is

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for the United States, $2.4 billion and

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everybody in the boardroom is broke.

333
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It's amazing.

334
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Is this the podcast industrial base?

335
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Yes.

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Everybody who was working on improving this, who

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was building apps, who was, you know, the

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whole index project we're broke, but somewhere there's

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$2.4 billion floating around out of, how

340
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does that work?

341
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400,000 active feeds.

342
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I'm amazed.

343
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I'm amazed how it works.

344
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These numbers bull crap is how it works.

345
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These numbers kill me.

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Where is all that?

347
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It's like, do you, do people know how

348
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much $2.4 billion is?

349
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That's $2,400,000,000.

350
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I actually have, I think I have a

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clip and I think Alex Gates sent this

352
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to me.

353
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I wonder if I actually clipped that.

354
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It was from what's the Scrooge McDuck.

355
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It was a Scrooge McDuck cartoon.

356
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I guess I didn't clip it.

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And, and he's talking to the kids and

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you know, as a Christmas tree filled with

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dollars and he says, how many dollars do

360
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you think is on their kids?

361
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That must be a billion dollars.

362
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Uncle Scrooge.

363
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It's like, no, that's no more than a

364
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hundred, a billion dollars.

365
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If you stack the dollar bills up would

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circumvent the globe four times.

367
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That's how much a billion dollars is.

368
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So this would go around, this would go

369
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around 10 times.

370
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This is how much money this is.

371
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This is silliness.

372
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Kiwi bones says market cap is always fake.

373
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That's what this is.

374
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This is a market cap and those numbers

375
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are always baloney.

376
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It includes, you know, I heart radio.

377
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And so I heart radio, they, you know,

378
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money's fungible for them.

379
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Like, well, yeah, a big part of that

380
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advertising buy went to our podcasting group.

381
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Of course.

382
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Sure.

383
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You can just attribute it however you want.

384
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And who knows if podcasts are in there

385
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and you know, YouTube, so-called YouTube podcasts.

386
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I don't know.

387
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But as long as everybody's happy, it's good.

388
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And you know, advertisers think, Oh, this is,

389
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I got to get in here.

390
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It's at least 1% of the entire

391
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online marketing, marketing money.

392
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But how much of that is YouTube money

393
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too?

394
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Yeah.

395
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We don't know.

396
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So I do like this.

397
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I don't know if you've had a chance

398
00:14:00,290 --> 00:14:02,190
to look at SPC from Spurlock.

399
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I have not looked at it at all.

400
00:14:05,390 --> 00:14:05,510
No.

401
00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:07,010
It's too bad.

402
00:14:07,550 --> 00:14:10,110
I know what it is, but this is

403
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good.

404
00:14:10,330 --> 00:14:11,070
You can explain it to me.

405
00:14:11,130 --> 00:14:13,330
Well, I can't, but I was completely counting

406
00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:15,090
on you to be able to explain all

407
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the ins and outs of it, but I've

408
00:14:17,070 --> 00:14:19,690
followed along and I think it's a really

409
00:14:19,690 --> 00:14:20,590
good idea.

410
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:24,610
Um, because you know, it, it maintains the,

411
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uh, you know, the anonymity of the user.

412
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:33,330
It's not spying on users and it would

413
00:14:33,330 --> 00:14:36,610
be such a, a lift to the, you

414
00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:39,070
know, to the podcast apps that are, you

415
00:14:39,070 --> 00:14:40,710
know, part of our group and who, you

416
00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:42,490
know, who are just trying to build good

417
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things.

418
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If we can find a way to have

419
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the apps benefit as well, then that's the

420
00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:52,030
piece that is missing still because the apps

421
00:14:52,030 --> 00:14:56,150
in essence participate in a way to make

422
00:14:56,150 --> 00:15:01,550
advertise tracking better by giving, you know, some

423
00:15:01,550 --> 00:15:04,670
statistics on some real listening statistics that go

424
00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:06,970
beyond what you can get from Apple and

425
00:15:06,970 --> 00:15:07,650
Spotify.

426
00:15:09,270 --> 00:15:11,670
Um, and it may have to be implemented

427
00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:13,970
at the host level.

428
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:14,770
I'm not sure.

429
00:15:16,530 --> 00:15:19,270
Um, but that's, that's really where it all

430
00:15:19,270 --> 00:15:20,030
breaks down.

431
00:15:20,250 --> 00:15:22,230
It's like, how do we get the, that,

432
00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:23,690
you know, that's why value, I like value

433
00:15:23,690 --> 00:15:25,670
for value so much because the apps can

434
00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:28,230
participate in the value flow and we, and

435
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:29,270
we kind of fix that.

436
00:15:29,290 --> 00:15:31,650
Although it seems incredibly broken.

437
00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:34,210
A lot of the development is now moved

438
00:15:34,210 --> 00:15:36,950
towards integrating Noster and I've honestly, I've lost

439
00:15:36,950 --> 00:15:42,130
track, um, of exactly what's happening and you

440
00:15:42,130 --> 00:15:46,230
know, there's such a purist map.

441
00:15:46,590 --> 00:15:46,930
With what?

442
00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:47,530
What do you mean?

443
00:15:48,490 --> 00:15:50,070
You've lost track of with what?

444
00:15:50,290 --> 00:15:52,970
Well, I mean, we basically have, you know,

445
00:15:52,970 --> 00:15:54,670
if you don't have Albi hub, you're not

446
00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:57,950
participating even though it's set up, it's set

447
00:15:57,950 --> 00:15:59,750
up to, you know, to where it works

448
00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:00,670
fine with strike.

449
00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:03,970
Um, you know, I, I think that I

450
00:16:03,970 --> 00:16:06,210
think it's still 95% of all transactions,

451
00:16:07,130 --> 00:16:10,330
not amounts, but transactions come from a pod,

452
00:16:10,450 --> 00:16:12,610
uh, from a fountain, fountain, some of the

453
00:16:12,610 --> 00:16:15,750
bigger numbers actually still pod versus still, and

454
00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,650
you know, bigger transactions come from pod versus

455
00:16:17,650 --> 00:16:18,770
at least what I'm seeing.

456
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:23,890
Um, uh, but if, you know, there, honestly,

457
00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:26,970
I think there's such a purist maximalist movement,

458
00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:32,630
um, not really wanting to integrate any KYC

459
00:16:32,630 --> 00:16:36,370
based apps or anything that, uh, that reeks

460
00:16:36,370 --> 00:16:39,430
of, you know, something that's not completely independent

461
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:42,790
that it's hurt because the people who are

462
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:47,670
participating basically either have a Noster set up.

463
00:16:48,390 --> 00:16:51,390
So they're zapping in or, you know, you

464
00:16:51,390 --> 00:16:53,570
have an Albi hub and that, and that's

465
00:16:53,570 --> 00:16:55,990
just a nonstarter for, for most people to

466
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:57,030
get into it.

467
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So, um, um, I mean, I, I still

468
00:17:01,170 --> 00:17:01,670
use it.

469
00:17:01,770 --> 00:17:03,109
I still receive sats.

470
00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:05,410
I'm still super happy, but you know, I

471
00:17:05,410 --> 00:17:10,150
saw the, they had another concert, a live

472
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:12,930
concert, and then the income was just not

473
00:17:12,930 --> 00:17:13,329
great.

474
00:17:14,310 --> 00:17:16,690
Now I think they did 900,000 sats

475
00:17:16,690 --> 00:17:17,690
for the whole evening.

476
00:17:17,910 --> 00:17:20,210
It probably from the same 50 people.

477
00:17:22,339 --> 00:17:25,119
So it just, it still hasn't really taken

478
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off the way it could or maybe should.

479
00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:30,700
And there's a lot of lightning development though.

480
00:17:30,780 --> 00:17:34,200
I think breeze just released some, some new,

481
00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:35,760
I have to look it up.

482
00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,980
I think they released some, let me see,

483
00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:40,480
is it breeze dot technology?

484
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,760
I think, I believe they released some new,

485
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,240
um, missed, is it misty breeze?

486
00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:48,920
Yeah.

487
00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:54,060
Uh, misty breeze is the simplest self custodial

488
00:17:54,060 --> 00:17:57,300
app for sending and receiving Bitcoin payments powered

489
00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:58,380
by breeze SDK.

490
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,620
Notice the app demonstrates the SDK is full

491
00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:02,640
capability showcases best practices.

492
00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,400
They have something that is kind of like

493
00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,960
a snap on you could add into your

494
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,820
app right away.

495
00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:10,420
I just don't know if, um, if it

496
00:18:10,420 --> 00:18:11,420
does what we need it to do.

497
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,460
Cause I haven't looked at it yet, but

498
00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:16,740
there's just a lot of lightning development happening,

499
00:18:16,780 --> 00:18:17,480
which is good.

500
00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:20,740
So maybe, maybe more and more will be

501
00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:21,860
integrated over time.

502
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,960
It just, it seems like, it seems like

503
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,380
the, the, the lightning, the lightning stuff all

504
00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:38,820
comes down to having an app like strike

505
00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:40,720
real.

506
00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:42,580
I mean, if, if key send is dead,

507
00:18:43,980 --> 00:18:47,840
then having an app like strike is that's

508
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,360
what you're going to end up with.

509
00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:54,500
I mean, um, you, you gotta have something

510
00:18:54,500 --> 00:19:00,460
that you can like, I mean, even if

511
00:19:00,460 --> 00:19:02,700
you saw, even if you had, even if

512
00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:07,340
Albie came back today, custodial Albie, even if

513
00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:11,000
that came back today, you would still have

514
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,240
this friction of onboarding.

515
00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:13,600
Yeah.

516
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,560
And the beauty of the strike experience is

517
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,400
that it makes the onboarding effortless.

518
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,660
Like you really don't need, you don't, it

519
00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:28,960
gets rid of that, but then you, but

520
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,580
you have to tell somebody to go get

521
00:19:30,580 --> 00:19:31,040
strike.

522
00:19:31,180 --> 00:19:31,700
Yeah.

523
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,840
Um, and so, which isn't that different from

524
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,560
what people have to do already.

525
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,120
I mean, it's like, it's like having a

526
00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:45,380
credit card or having anything.

527
00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:46,460
I mean, if you're going to pay with

528
00:19:46,460 --> 00:19:49,000
somebody, you have to have a payment mechanism

529
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,840
in place.

530
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,080
And for this, that, that, that payment mechanism,

531
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:54,440
well, I think it'd be strike.

532
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,360
It fell down.

533
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,520
The whole thing fell apart, uh, where the

534
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,300
Ellen address or Ellen URL pay that works.

535
00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:02,920
It works perfectly fine.

536
00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:04,780
I mean, I get payments on, uh, on

537
00:20:04,780 --> 00:20:05,620
my, on my strike.

538
00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:07,140
Well, all the time, cause I only have

539
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:08,180
it on this show, but I get it

540
00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:08,740
all the time.

541
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:09,480
Works great.

542
00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:11,780
I get partial messages.

543
00:20:11,780 --> 00:20:14,040
If it's a booster gram, it fell apart

544
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,720
on agreement over, okay, how do we separate,

545
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,900
separate out the TLV record that was so

546
00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:21,980
beautifully integrated in key send.

547
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:23,960
And that's where it fell apart.

548
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,700
Uh, a fountain came up with a solution

549
00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:30,780
was not adopted by everybody as far as

550
00:20:30,780 --> 00:20:31,240
I can tell.

551
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,600
So it, but it still works.

552
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,080
So, you know, we'll, we'll see, we'll see

553
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:37,680
where it goes.

554
00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:39,420
I mean, it still works.

555
00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:43,260
Um, I just, I don't know.

556
00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:45,380
Let's, I mean, let's, let's be honest.

557
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,580
Albie would still be custodial if it was

558
00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:53,340
not for, uh, government regulation scaring everybody to

559
00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:53,660
death.

560
00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:55,540
That's what happened.

561
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:55,800
Yep.

562
00:20:56,460 --> 00:21:00,140
It was, it was us regulations, freaking everybody

563
00:21:00,140 --> 00:21:05,040
out so that async, uh, wallet pulled out

564
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,520
of the U S I'll be switched from

565
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,920
custodial to non custodial.

566
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,020
I mean, everybody panicked and rolled up, you

567
00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:15,340
know, rolled up the, uh, the sidewalks and

568
00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:15,760
left.

569
00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:18,360
And so that, I mean, that's really what

570
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:18,720
happened.

571
00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:23,960
There's not like the, we could, if the,

572
00:21:24,060 --> 00:21:28,640
if the regulations were, were such, if there

573
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,280
was clarity there, um, we, we might actually

574
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,440
have, you know, Hey, and that's the same

575
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:43,280
reason that, uh, uh, uh, Tim K that's

576
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,040
the same reason that he's, that he closed

577
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,860
up a LN pay is because he was

578
00:21:48,860 --> 00:21:51,160
worried about the regulations, you know, he, and

579
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,900
the responsibility of, of being a custodial service.

580
00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:55,020
Right.

581
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,540
It's a big responsibility there.

582
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,300
If there's, you know, if there's regulatory clarity

583
00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:04,220
at some point that having a hosted a

584
00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:06,800
custodial service for something like this, the, the

585
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,360
Albie, the Albie custodial model, the LN pay

586
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,580
custodial model, that's a model that can work.

587
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:14,820
Well, the bottom line, you can make money

588
00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:15,660
that way is what I mean.

589
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:15,780
Oh yeah.

590
00:22:15,860 --> 00:22:18,120
Well, no, the bottom line is that it

591
00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,220
works really well for the communities that want

592
00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:21,800
to use it.

593
00:22:22,220 --> 00:22:23,800
Fountain works really.

594
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,780
And, and, you know, I use podcast guru,

595
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,980
pod verse works fine.

596
00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:28,520
You have the web based apps.

597
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,700
Um, I think what Sam is doing with

598
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:36,400
a true fans, he totally understands what his

599
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,020
mission is.

600
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:39,440
He's on mission to create, you know, a

601
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,360
fan base place when, and you want to

602
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:43,880
bring, you know, you don't want to say

603
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,520
to your fans works on any podcast app.

604
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,160
You want to say, go to true fans.

605
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,520
And when it has an app, get the

606
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,320
true fans app and you'll be able to

607
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,580
support me, support my, my art, my podcast,

608
00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,640
my music, whatever by merch.

609
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,740
I think he's, he's figured that he's made

610
00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:01,720
the onboarding very easy for his system and

611
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:02,640
his system alone.

612
00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:05,560
And, and that's, and, you know, and, and

613
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,960
so for me, following in my general philosophy

614
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,440
that nothing is going to be, um, adopted

615
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,100
everywhere by all anymore forever in the future,

616
00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:23,740
or maybe very few things as the same

617
00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:24,580
goes with shows.

618
00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:26,320
You know, as long as you can get

619
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,880
your community of a hundred or a thousand

620
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,580
or 10,000 people to support you using

621
00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:34,760
a platform that adheres to what you need,

622
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,980
you're going to be successful.

623
00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:38,700
It was just, we're not going to see

624
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:39,660
the, Oh wow.

625
00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:42,360
You know, this artist, you know, is on,

626
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,340
you know, is making a hundred thousand dollars

627
00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:46,240
a year from all these different apps that

628
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,320
all are sending payments.

629
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,800
I don't think that's going to happen anymore.

630
00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:52,680
I think what we were wanting at the

631
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,020
beginning, what we, what we were set out

632
00:23:55,020 --> 00:24:01,740
for was a completely, um, deep, like a

633
00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:07,540
decentralized, not decentralized, but a non central point

634
00:24:07,540 --> 00:24:15,040
of, of authority system where anybody could just,

635
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,060
uh, pick up a lot.

636
00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:19,660
It could just spin up a node or

637
00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:22,960
a lightning wallet in some fashion and immediately

638
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,840
start either send both sending and receiving payments

639
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,660
without having to ask permission, without having to

640
00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:32,580
pay anybody.

641
00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:36,060
You just, if you could just hook into

642
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:39,460
this ecosystem and join, you could join into

643
00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:40,240
the network.

644
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,500
But you know, what we've ended up with

645
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:49,820
is a system where you're going to have

646
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:54,000
to do something like fountain has done, which

647
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,520
is build a backend through an approved provider

648
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,900
in that, in their case Zebedee, you know,

649
00:25:00,980 --> 00:25:03,700
or, or strike or somebody you're, you're going

650
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:07,460
to have to, as a podcast app, you

651
00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:09,840
can't just make a couple of API calls

652
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,420
and be done.

653
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,960
You're going to have to make agreements and,

654
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,220
and hook in with an existing financial entity

655
00:25:18,220 --> 00:25:21,240
in order to support a backend and then

656
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,440
do some pretty extensive work to get a

657
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,520
wallet integrated, which is what Sam has had

658
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:28,820
to do.

659
00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:29,120
Yep.

660
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,740
You know, Sam, Sam, Sam is similar to

661
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:35,640
fountain in that he's had to do a

662
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,220
whole lot of payment integration work with different

663
00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:42,100
financial entities to get the, all of his

664
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:44,340
moving pieces to jive.

665
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,680
And so that's just not, I think what

666
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,080
we intended with this whole thing.

667
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,140
It doesn't mean it's, it doesn't mean it's

668
00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:53,680
a failure.

669
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:54,580
I'm not saying that.

670
00:25:54,580 --> 00:25:58,980
I'm just saying that like, you know, maybe

671
00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:03,360
there was some naivety about how aggressive regulations

672
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:04,300
would be.

673
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,300
I don't know, but I just think that

674
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:09,400
there's not, it's not what, it's not what

675
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,220
we thought we were going to get, but

676
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:14,620
that doesn't mean, like I said, that doesn't

677
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:17,100
mean that it's the end of the world.

678
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:18,800
I mean, we can try to salvage what

679
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,420
we can salvage that out of there.

680
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,940
It's just, I don't know.

681
00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:23,900
I'm kind of disappointed that we didn't get

682
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:27,680
the original vision cause that, you know, that,

683
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,920
I don't know, it's just so much more

684
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,280
work.

685
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:32,920
And so every time there's more, a more

686
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760
layer of work, there's a bigger barrier to

687
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,240
entry.

688
00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:39,740
So instead of having, you know, instead of

689
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:43,020
having 500 apps, we may just have, you

690
00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:45,520
know, a few, a handful of people that

691
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,320
are willing to put the work in like,

692
00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:50,060
you know, like Sam, but it's not, it's

693
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:51,540
not just that I'm going to say it.

694
00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:55,880
It started with, um, who are the music

695
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,340
guys?

696
00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:58,080
I'm spacing on it.

697
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,120
Wavelake.

698
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:05,160
It started with Wavelake, the incredible, um, what's

699
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,160
the term I'm looking for?

700
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,640
Aversion to Wavelake, a centralized service without a

701
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,580
pure, you know, not having everybody have their

702
00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:18,300
own node.

703
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:20,180
That's where it started to break.

704
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,160
Yeah.

705
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,140
This is the fact, you know, that I'm

706
00:27:26,140 --> 00:27:28,040
not playing anything from those guys.

707
00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:30,280
I mean, that childish behavior, in my opinion,

708
00:27:30,860 --> 00:27:33,400
that, uh, that broke a lot.

709
00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:35,520
And then it became a purist thing.

710
00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:36,960
Well, you've got to have your own node.

711
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,120
You've got to do it this way.

712
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:39,240
You have to do it this way.

713
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,340
New people would come in and the telegram

714
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:43,360
groups and people would say, Oh no, you

715
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,380
don't want any part of that.

716
00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:45,500
You got to do it this way.

717
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,580
I saw it happen.

718
00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:50,460
Yeah, no, I did too.

719
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:50,880
You're right.

720
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:52,820
So it's okay.

721
00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:54,440
Cause it's what I'm not, I'm not mad.

722
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,660
I'm not even disappointed.

723
00:27:55,860 --> 00:27:59,820
I love that, uh, that we have, uh,

724
00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:01,380
solutions in this that work.

725
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,860
I use it.

726
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,160
I tell people to use these apps and

727
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,340
if they can figure it out, then they're

728
00:28:09,340 --> 00:28:09,740
on board.

729
00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:10,460
They're in the club.

730
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,280
Um, we'll see.

731
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,260
We'll see where it lands, you know?

732
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,560
And I, and I guarantee you that stable

733
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,500
coin is going to come stable coin is

734
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:21,800
going to be part of the global payment

735
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,380
system.

736
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,200
It's, you can just see it happening.

737
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:27,140
I mean, this is a big part of

738
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:29,000
what, uh, I think it'll be called the

739
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Mar-a-Lago accords.

740
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:33,600
Um, but, but it's already been said by

741
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,360
the president and by the treasury secretary, stable

742
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,720
coin is going to be the way that

743
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,140
the U S dollar maintains its, uh, dominance

744
00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:43,960
as the global reserve currency.

745
00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:46,760
So it'll be pegged to the dollar and

746
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,140
it will be, I think it'll be fractionalized

747
00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:50,600
and you'll be able to use it.

748
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:53,680
And I can tell you right now that

749
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,500
there will be a huge, we're not going

750
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:56,920
to use stable coin ever.

751
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Bitcoin's the only one.

752
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,580
I'm telling you right now, I'll tell you

753
00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:01,880
right now, I'll tell you right now.

754
00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:03,140
That will totally happen.

755
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,420
Yeah.

756
00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:06,420
Even though it would fulfill a lot of

757
00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:09,640
the dream and stable coin works over the

758
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,880
lightning network today.

759
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,440
Well, I mean, stable coin is essentially a,

760
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,640
a stable coin is basically a digital U

761
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,460
S treasury bond.

762
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,940
Yeah, exactly.

763
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,020
There's some other stuff mixed in there with

764
00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:25,840
it, but it is, it is primarily, I

765
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120
mean the, the stable coin guys hold something

766
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,120
like more than most countries put together in

767
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,980
treasury bonds.

768
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Yeah.

769
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:35,100
It's like 75% of short term U

770
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,360
S treasury bonds are owned by, by I

771
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,040
think short term would be three years or

772
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,520
less by tether.

773
00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:42,000
No, I think it's 90 days.

774
00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:43,360
I think they've been, they have a 90

775
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,400
days treasury bond or a T bill or

776
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:45,720
something.

777
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:47,280
Ultra short, ultra short.

778
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:47,520
Yeah.

779
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,920
That, I mean that is just a, I

780
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,700
mean that's outrageous.

781
00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:51,760
That's, that's unbelievable.

782
00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:54,020
And so it's, it's, you know, the reason

783
00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:56,420
the U S treasury is the, is it's

784
00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:57,340
not the dollar.

785
00:29:57,980 --> 00:30:00,920
Um, this, the world's reserve currency, it's the

786
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,360
treasury bond, correct?

787
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,860
It's the treasuries because those are essentially guaranteed.

788
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,600
Those are guaranteed.

789
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:09,620
You're going to get paid.

790
00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:10,680
Yep.

791
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,540
You're, there's no, you know, there, there's no

792
00:30:14,540 --> 00:30:16,360
chance that you're not getting your money back.

793
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:19,040
So those become, those have become the way

794
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,520
that that's the backstop for everything.

795
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:24,860
And so it's a very short step from

796
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:27,620
buying directly buying U S treasuries to buying

797
00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:28,320
stable coin.

798
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,020
There's very, there's really not much difference there.

799
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:34,620
So it's an easy transition to make because

800
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:36,040
people are already used to it.

801
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,460
Um, so yeah, I think you're right.

802
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,980
I think that's exactly what's going to happen.

803
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,740
The question is what, you know, what's the

804
00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:46,800
distribution, what's the sort of like a connection

805
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,120
there?

806
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,460
Is it, is it some sort of digital

807
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:48,960
wallet?

808
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,980
I mean like how, because you, because treasuries

809
00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:53,260
are normally bought and sold, you know, traded

810
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:57,120
by money brokers and big banks.

811
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,700
And so that's something that the normal person

812
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:01,160
doesn't usually have access to.

813
00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:03,160
So what does that look like?

814
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,640
I don't know.

815
00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:06,540
You know, I don't think I'm going to

816
00:31:06,540 --> 00:31:08,780
be, I don't, I don't know.

817
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,900
I don't, I don't think I'll be sending,

818
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:14,040
sending you a stable coin over my Bitcoin

819
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,480
wallet, but I don't know.

820
00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:16,120
Maybe I will.

821
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,980
Well, you can send me money anytime you

822
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:19,200
want.

823
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,540
I'll take, I'll take, I'll take Chinese money.

824
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,260
I mean, if you want, if Dave Jones

825
00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:24,860
wants to send me money, I'll take it.

826
00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:27,000
I have a, I have a standing, I

827
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,220
have a standing, uh, you know, uh, policy

828
00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:32,480
to never refuse to take money when someone

829
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,240
wants to give it to me.

830
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:33,680
Exactly.

831
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:34,120
Exactly.

832
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,080
I have a similar policy.

833
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,240
Hey, this is a term that I've been

834
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,600
hearing.

835
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,760
I want to ask you about, have you

836
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,460
heard of this term vibe coding?

837
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:43,060
Yeah.

838
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,680
What is, what is vibe coding?

839
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,980
I think that's like no code stuff where

840
00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:53,020
you're just, uh, you're like using LLMs and

841
00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:53,620
stuff like that.

842
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:56,480
And just having things pieced together, which you,

843
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,540
you're a vibe coder.

844
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:57,900
Yes.

845
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,700
That's, this is what I was thinking.

846
00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:02,200
I have been vibe coding for the past

847
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,960
couple of days.

848
00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:04,100
Yes.

849
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,740
I mean, you're like, you're like a coder

850
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:05,920
now.

851
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:08,820
It's this week in liquid soap, everybody.

852
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,440
Yeah.

853
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,380
Yay.

854
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,360
So it's very interesting.

855
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:14,980
A couple of things came together at the

856
00:32:14,980 --> 00:32:15,540
same time.

857
00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:18,960
So James, uh, who has been the, um,

858
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,540
the champion behind the location tag from its

859
00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:24,980
inception, I believe, even, um, and, uh, and

860
00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:28,200
now the location tag has multiple options.

861
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,820
It can be, uh, the location of what

862
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:33,420
this podcast is about or where it's originating

863
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:33,800
from.

864
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Um, in our project in Godcaster, it's really

865
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,260
turned into something amazing, something really beautiful.

866
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:43,540
And it flows right into something else that

867
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:47,200
we've discussed, which is this concept of what

868
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,820
is, well, of making a radio stream out

869
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:53,620
of podcasts.

870
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,820
And, and that's what I've been working on

871
00:32:56,820 --> 00:33:00,000
and not just working on it.

872
00:33:00,060 --> 00:33:01,100
You've been coding.

873
00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:02,400
I've been vibe coding.

874
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:02,940
I've been vibe.

875
00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:06,500
You vibe coded something that works.

876
00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:07,240
Yeah.

877
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,360
So, um, let me see how I can

878
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,040
best approach this topic because it, it brings

879
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,320
up a whole bunch of questions, but in

880
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,140
essence, uh, we're right now working with the,

881
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:21,160
with the dude named Paul on a Godcaster

882
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,400
app.

883
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,160
So the Godcaster, if you haven't seen it

884
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,060
to go to hellofred.fm, you can see

885
00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:25,220
it.

886
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:28,200
Um, it's a, it's a, it's a platform.

887
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,020
It's a management system where you can create

888
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:34,820
a player with podcasts that, that you want

889
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:38,480
your audience to listen to and you determine,

890
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,600
you know, what goes where and what, what

891
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,640
order things are in.

892
00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:44,160
And you can add a live stream or

893
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,440
multiple live streams actually.

894
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,600
And here's the cool part.

895
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,680
You can then follow that station in a

896
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,820
podcast app and in a modern podcast app,

897
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,300
you also get the live streams.

898
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,540
So all of a sudden you have a

899
00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:57,600
radio station that used to just have like

900
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,040
a listen, listen, live button on their website.

901
00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:02,300
Now they have all the content that they

902
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,200
have on their broadcast.

903
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,580
Um, uh, their over the air broadcast is

904
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:09,940
now in a lineup on their website.

905
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:11,380
So you can listen to it on demand,

906
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:13,900
but the live stream is also there, but

907
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,199
you can just take the station with you

908
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,860
because we provide them with a feed of

909
00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:20,340
everything they've put in their player.

910
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,860
And now you can listen to, you know,

911
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:26,520
KHCB Houston in your car on your favorite

912
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:26,920
app.

913
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:28,840
If it's a modern podcast app, then you

914
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,780
get the live stream.

915
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,620
And you can also listen to the most

916
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:33,920
recent episode of everything that they have.

917
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,520
So it's a whole new way.

918
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:38,460
Uh, it's we're re-imagining radio, I would

919
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:38,639
say.

920
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:40,960
And a lot of these stations are really

921
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,900
starting to get it.

922
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,639
So, um, I thought it would be an

923
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,199
interesting experiment because we're not going to have

924
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,020
an app where you open up the app

925
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:53,500
and based upon geo location, it shows you

926
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,880
the stations that are closest to you, the

927
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,900
Godcaster stations who have a player.

928
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,200
And, um, and so I thought, you know,

929
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,720
not everybody has, so there's also podcast networks

930
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,540
who are using this and churches and they

931
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:08,620
don't have a live stream.

932
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,100
So, okay.

933
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:11,600
So at first I thought, you know, I'm

934
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,680
going to give them a, like a hello

935
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120
Fred live stream and all these folders they

936
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,240
can drop stuff into.

937
00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:18,240
And I'm like, yep, that's going to happen.

938
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,140
And that works.

939
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:23,100
But the first step is to get them

940
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:26,640
into, get them comfortable with the idea of

941
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,480
these podcasts that I put in my player

942
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:32,880
automatically create a live stream that has an

943
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,620
interstitial in between the shows.

944
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,320
So you could, you know, you can put

945
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,360
a little file in there.

946
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,400
Like you're listening to, you know, uh, uh,

947
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,100
Christ church in, um, in New Zealand and

948
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,080
boom, it goes into the next program.

949
00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:51,340
And so as we've been experimenting with this

950
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:53,100
and, and I think the app will probably

951
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,460
be out sometime around June.

952
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,140
Um, it's really interesting because it gives you,

953
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,340
even though you're just listening to some podcasts

954
00:36:01,340 --> 00:36:02,820
that are aligned and I never, never thought

955
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:03,400
this would work.

956
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:04,780
I never thought it would work.

957
00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:07,220
Um, in fact on hellofred.fm, I now

958
00:36:07,220 --> 00:36:09,280
have a live stream called all, all the

959
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,700
shows.

960
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,360
And so you, you tap on that and

961
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,020
you drop right into the middle of a

962
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:17,160
show and it's like, it's mesmerizing.

963
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,040
It truly is what the, and this is

964
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,500
what the Tom Webster serendipity of push button

965
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:23,900
radio.

966
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,020
I just, I search around, Oh, here's another

967
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:26,420
station.

968
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:26,740
Click.

969
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,660
I go into it.

970
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:29,200
Then I start hearing a show.

971
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:30,320
I drop into something.

972
00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:32,500
It can be, you know, a news show

973
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:33,480
can be a sermon.

974
00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:35,840
It can be, you know, a talk show.

975
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:38,860
There's, there's so much, and we're focusing only

976
00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:40,760
on one type of community, which is faith

977
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,940
based broadcasting.

978
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:47,620
It really, it really gives you an experience

979
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:51,860
and particularly to know that, okay, I'm listening

980
00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:53,020
to this right now, but I really want

981
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:54,180
to hear the whole show or want to

982
00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:55,020
hear it from the beginning.

983
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,160
And it's one tap away cause I can

984
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,860
see it right there in my interface.

985
00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:01,260
This is the show that's playing right now.

986
00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:05,920
It totally changes the concept of radio and,

987
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,320
and, and there's something about it that is

988
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,280
really exciting.

989
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,580
I did not expect that.

990
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:12,660
I always thought, you know, who wants to

991
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:15,280
listen to just a stream of, of podcasts

992
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,340
that are lined up.

993
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:18,460
But when you don't know what it is,

994
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,840
and even my own, my own shows, I

995
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,240
think I have six or seven shows on

996
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:22,760
hello Fred.

997
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,540
If I just hit that, that all the

998
00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:28,300
shows live stream and I pop in, it's

999
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:30,420
probably something I wouldn't have started listening to

1000
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:32,100
from the very beginning in the first place.

1001
00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:33,880
Cause like, ah, I don't feel like listening

1002
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,420
to Matt long show today.

1003
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,160
But when you just hit that, it's like,

1004
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,820
Oh, there's something really magical about it.

1005
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,320
In fact, when you guys were joking around

1006
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,460
like, Hey, it sounds a lot like radio

1007
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:48,060
when you use the location tag to find,

1008
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,480
you know, to find a podcast.

1009
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,700
Now, if you find a stream of podcasts,

1010
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,300
it really is a new kind of radio

1011
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:55,840
and it's, and it feels good.

1012
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,420
I don't know if you've had any time

1013
00:37:57,420 --> 00:38:00,680
to kind of experiment around with it, but

1014
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,080
it feels good.

1015
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,500
I haven't, I haven't experimented with it mostly

1016
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,860
because I was writing the code for, for

1017
00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:10,760
the, for the API for D yeah.

1018
00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:13,760
For DNP to, you know, to, uh, to

1019
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,240
do the, to do the, the location stuff.

1020
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:18,940
And, um, I've had my head in that,

1021
00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:20,960
which, which that, that has been in.

1022
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:23,280
It's what's funny.

1023
00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:27,840
I'm glad that you, I'm glad to do

1024
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,380
this kind of stuff because I find myself

1025
00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:34,680
routinely, uh, out of my comfort zone because

1026
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,020
it's things I've not done before.

1027
00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:39,320
Uh, and it's kind of stuff like you,

1028
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:41,660
you kind of know how it works, but

1029
00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:44,300
it's different when you really do it.

1030
00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:45,060
Yeah.

1031
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,320
And, um, so one of the things that,

1032
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,480
you know, part of this has been from,

1033
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,660
from the beginning we've put low, we've put

1034
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:59,200
radios, uh, the, the, the players, the Godcaster

1035
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,020
players, you can, you can create a player.

1036
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,240
And from the beginning it's had a location

1037
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,420
aspect to it, but it's not been specific

1038
00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:09,300
enough to be what we needed for this.

1039
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:09,400
Yeah.

1040
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,480
It's not long to latitude stuff.

1041
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:12,680
Yes.

1042
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,800
And so like it was perfect timing for

1043
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,480
James's blog post that he wrote the other

1044
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,820
day, uh, sort of re, uh, bringing this

1045
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:26,680
back to, to the front, because I was

1046
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,600
about to dive into images tag and finish

1047
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,260
that thing up.

1048
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,880
And then I'll, he didn't, then your location

1049
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,180
ideas came up and then his blog post.

1050
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,300
And I'm like, yeah, we just need to

1051
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:35,880
roll this blog.

1052
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,720
We need to roll this location thing and

1053
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:38,620
get this thing finished.

1054
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,120
Cause I actually published his changes to the

1055
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,380
namespace today, not right before the show.

1056
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,320
So, um, so the new additions are in

1057
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,680
there.

1058
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,860
And then I still have to update the

1059
00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:52,960
document that backs it sort of the, uh,

1060
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:58,040
um, uh, like a full explainer.

1061
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,300
So I'm just going to take his language

1062
00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,360
and weave that into the existing document to

1063
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,520
make, to make the new stuff apparent.

1064
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,220
But there's so much going on here.

1065
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:09,500
I mean, there's like, you know, what you're

1066
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:13,260
describing is a really, I would call it

1067
00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:14,960
like a synthetic live stream.

1068
00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:21,140
It's, it's not, uh, it's not live in

1069
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:24,800
the sense of, um, like, like radio is

1070
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,880
live these days.

1071
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:29,280
Radio is all DJs cutting, uh, you know,

1072
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:31,960
voice tracking, uh, at nine in the morning

1073
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,320
and then going to lunch, you know, it's,

1074
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:36,260
it sounds live, but none, none of it's

1075
00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:38,820
almost, none of it's live anymore, but it,

1076
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:40,140
but it's, it's linear.

1077
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:41,040
It's linear.

1078
00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:44,700
And so when you, when you described this,

1079
00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:45,520
yeah, linear.

1080
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:45,800
Okay.

1081
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,580
Let's say they'll say that it's not linear.

1082
00:40:47,860 --> 00:40:50,720
It's, um, it's synthetic linear.

1083
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,240
It's like when you described this the other

1084
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,540
day, uh, when we were, when we were

1085
00:40:56,540 --> 00:41:03,160
talking, um, my, my first thought was this

1086
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,160
is perfect for podcast networks.

1087
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:12,260
Um, because yes, they immediate, they're not having

1088
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:14,920
a live stream, having a, having a real

1089
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,860
live stream means do means having to run

1090
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:21,060
some extra infrastructure.

1091
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:21,540
Right.

1092
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,740
Even if it's, even if it's small, it's

1093
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:25,340
a hurdle.

1094
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:28,040
And so, but if you already have all

1095
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,220
this stuff there and you can just sort

1096
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:36,020
of like just hit go, you know, you

1097
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:38,100
give yourself a location and then you just

1098
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:38,700
hit go.

1099
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:40,620
Well, so this is, this is exactly what

1100
00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:42,180
I've been coding and it came.

1101
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:44,240
So we have a new customer, her name

1102
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,240
is Jenny Lee Samuel, and she has a

1103
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,560
network of podcasts called imagine media.

1104
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,800
And, and so what she's done is she

1105
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,300
started a little kind of school of podcasting

1106
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:59,600
and she's taught all of these different, mainly

1107
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,240
young people, which I like a lot about

1108
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:01,620
it.

1109
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:03,040
Um, how to, how to do, how to

1110
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,980
create podcasts, you know, how to select a

1111
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:07,120
host, the whole, you know, Dave Jackson type

1112
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:07,500
vibe.

1113
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,280
And so she, she really wanted a way

1114
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,280
to build that into a network.

1115
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,240
And we said, and, and she saw the

1116
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,100
God cast or something.

1117
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,660
We said, this sounds like something I could

1118
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:17,000
use.

1119
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:18,380
And we said, yeah, absolutely.

1120
00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:20,820
So we showed how it worked and she

1121
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:23,620
said, you know, cause if she knows about

1122
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:25,140
the live stream so you can put a

1123
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:26,840
radio station in there, you can do all

1124
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,680
kinds of different stuff.

1125
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,420
She said, well, couldn't have a live stream

1126
00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:30,480
of all of my podcasts.

1127
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,380
And I'm like, Holy crap.

1128
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,080
Yes, of course you can.

1129
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:37,420
And, and so that's when I started to

1130
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:39,140
experiment now, by the way.

1131
00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:42,820
So I've been using Manus dot AI, uh,

1132
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:46,280
to do this programming and so it initially

1133
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,100
came up with a great bunch.

1134
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:49,400
It has a config script.

1135
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,020
Um, you know, it has a script where

1136
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:55,020
you start stop status log, you know, it's

1137
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:56,540
like with the switch, you know, so I

1138
00:42:56,540 --> 00:42:58,700
can tell you if something's wrong and it

1139
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:00,080
worked out of the box, you know, it

1140
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,320
creates a mount point for the, for the

1141
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,940
RSS feed that you give it.

1142
00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:06,760
And it fires it up and it works.

1143
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,060
And I'm like, this is fantastic.

1144
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,060
Until I looked in the logs, I'm like,

1145
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:15,280
Oh man, it's skipping 70% of these,

1146
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,560
of the items in the RSS feed because

1147
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,980
it can't figure out what the MP3 file

1148
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:26,440
is because of, Oh man, what a mess.

1149
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:30,840
Millions of redirects question mark and tags after

1150
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,540
the MP3 is, is, and from some of

1151
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:36,400
the biggest hosting companies, I'm like, Oh man.

1152
00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:38,740
And so I've been spent, I think I've

1153
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:42,920
spent the past 16 hours of vibe coding

1154
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,680
time feeding.

1155
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,800
This is where vibe coding falls apart, by

1156
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,160
the way.

1157
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,140
Well, it's, it's, you know, and it's actually

1158
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:52,240
kind of fun because you know, it creates

1159
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,340
a script and then they get the errors.

1160
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:55,260
I copy the errors.

1161
00:43:55,340 --> 00:43:58,120
I paste it into the, into this Manus

1162
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:58,700
interface.

1163
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:00,680
It goes, Oh no, I see what's wrong.

1164
00:44:00,740 --> 00:44:01,760
Okay, hold on a second.

1165
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,220
And then it fixes it.

1166
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Then something else breaks.

1167
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:06,460
And, and I, and then I'll say, do

1168
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:08,120
you remember now I have liquid soap version

1169
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,240
two dot one dot four.

1170
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,060
Yes, yes.

1171
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,500
I'll double check the documentation.

1172
00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:14,440
Then lo and behold, it does a bracket

1173
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,260
close wrong.

1174
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,440
Oh, I can see this.

1175
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:18,160
I did this wrong for your version of

1176
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,760
liquid soap.

1177
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,480
So you do get into these loops where

1178
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,180
at a certain point, you know, like, okay,

1179
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,440
let's start over.

1180
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,380
I'm going back to this script that actually

1181
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:28,900
worked and let's start again from here.

1182
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:31,340
So it's kind of like having a kindergartner

1183
00:44:31,340 --> 00:44:33,480
who knows how to code, but has no

1184
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,260
attention span.

1185
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,360
You've got to bring it back to it.

1186
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:39,640
And I know that if, if, if I,

1187
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:42,380
if I'd been working with you, we would

1188
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:43,620
have fixed this thing already.

1189
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:44,580
It would have been working.

1190
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:46,340
It would have been running, but you know,

1191
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,700
instead I'm spending lots of credits.

1192
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:52,340
I probably spent $75 in credits on, on

1193
00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:52,540
these.

1194
00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:53,200
Yeah.

1195
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,640
Okay.

1196
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,980
I love the kindergartner visual.

1197
00:44:58,180 --> 00:45:00,580
It's like, Hey, okay, look, listen, Timmy, you

1198
00:45:00,580 --> 00:45:01,820
son of a bitch.

1199
00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:03,740
I know you know how to code, but

1200
00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:04,940
pay attention to me.

1201
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,680
Look, look, stop eating animal crackers and just

1202
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,020
pay attention.

1203
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,020
You little bastard.

1204
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:17,560
So, um, um, so, uh, no agenda millennial

1205
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,160
in the, in the boardroom says Adam's coming

1206
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,100
around to using AI.

1207
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,780
Well, no, because it's such a bad crutch.

1208
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,720
Again, if I, if it was Adam and

1209
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:28,060
Dave, we'd have this thing humming by now.

1210
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,900
Cause I've been, I've been working on this

1211
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,360
for a while and that's just, that's not

1212
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,760
concurrent time that's over several days than just

1213
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,600
compute time.

1214
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,580
And you know, I had to upgrade to

1215
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:40,420
the $200 a month plan.

1216
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:42,860
And luckily you can buy more credits when

1217
00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:43,440
you run out.

1218
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:45,000
And you know, from time to time, I

1219
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:45,620
was like, Oh, I'm sorry.

1220
00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:48,200
The virtual machine crashed or this session is

1221
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:48,880
now too long.

1222
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,900
You have to start a new one.

1223
00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:51,800
I'll inherit everything that I learned.

1224
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:52,620
I'm sorry.

1225
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,780
I can't, I can't store any more knowledge

1226
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:57,800
that we've learned from this project unless you

1227
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,980
delete some other ones.

1228
00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:02,920
The actual cost of this stuff is off

1229
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,700
the hook.

1230
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:07,140
Believe me, believe me, this is the introductory

1231
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:07,920
price.

1232
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:13,000
So for what AI is doing and versus

1233
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,580
what it costs and the amount of time

1234
00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:16,500
that goes into it, I still think it's

1235
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,400
crap, but at least I can move forward

1236
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,600
and eventually I'm going to say, Dave, they

1237
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,460
got these scripts.

1238
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:26,460
It kind of works.

1239
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,720
Take a look at it.

1240
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:30,720
Ignore the Chinese characters in the code.

1241
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,920
Don't worry about it.

1242
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,660
It's all fine.

1243
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,980
Maybe we can figure out how to make

1244
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:35,720
this actually work.

1245
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,380
It seems like I can't bring the project

1246
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:39,500
to completion.

1247
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:41,080
Well, I'm close.

1248
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,300
This is, um, but it is, it is

1249
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:45,700
Claude.

1250
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:48,060
I just, so, so no agenda millennial understands.

1251
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:52,680
Manus itself is an element LLM, but it

1252
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,680
fires up an appropriate model for the tasks

1253
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,300
that you're doing.

1254
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,740
So it is using Claude and it's using

1255
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:02,040
others, but it's using Claude mainly for coding.

1256
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,460
So it's not like I'm using the wrong

1257
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:04,800
model.

1258
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:07,400
That's the whole point of, of Manus is

1259
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,960
it sits on top of everything else.

1260
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,840
I'm sorry, Dave, go ahead.

1261
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,840
No, no, no.

1262
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,200
I mean, this is the same thing we

1263
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,400
see with all the with, with all these

1264
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,200
models is the degenerative models is that they,

1265
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:22,180
they all really allow you to get most,

1266
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,760
you know, most of the way to an

1267
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,200
idea that you can then hand off to

1268
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,500
somebody to finish it.

1269
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:30,880
You know, like when it comes to art,

1270
00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:32,160
I mean, you, he's like, I want this

1271
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:32,540
logo.

1272
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:36,200
I can get, I can get something that's

1273
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,140
kind of like the thing I want.

1274
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:39,920
Then I can give it to an actual

1275
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680
artist and have them actually make, make a

1276
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,080
thing.

1277
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,780
And, and that's the same with code.

1278
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,320
I mean, you can, you know, you can't,

1279
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:52,120
you can say, Hey, Bill, build me.

1280
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,980
You can say, Hey, Claude, build me a,

1281
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,740
a Laravel app that does these things and

1282
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:04,240
it's going to build you something, but then

1283
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,600
like, but it's not ever going to be

1284
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,940
the exact thing that you want.

1285
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:09,380
It's just going to be kind of the

1286
00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:10,000
thing you want.

1287
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,100
And so then you have to hand it

1288
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:12,540
off to somebody else to actually turn it

1289
00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:13,680
into the thing you want.

1290
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:13,860
Yeah.

1291
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,340
So I mean, I think that's just the

1292
00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:15,680
pattern.

1293
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:17,600
And by the way, while vibe coding, I

1294
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,480
can see the hallucinations happening.

1295
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:21,260
Yeah.

1296
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:23,120
That's, that's the real gotcha.

1297
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:24,220
It took me a while.

1298
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,680
Like you're just making this up.

1299
00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:28,120
Oh yes, you're right.

1300
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:28,660
I'm sorry.

1301
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:29,960
Here, let me fix these scripts.

1302
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,320
This time it'll really work.

1303
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:33,400
Did you see that thing?

1304
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,980
Did you see that thing that was posted?

1305
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:37,280
I think it was, I think James may

1306
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,080
have boosted it or something on, on Mastodon

1307
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,580
about, Hey, you can just make, just make

1308
00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:47,780
up, um, make up cliches and stuff like,

1309
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,060
uh, you know, you know, like two, two

1310
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:52,280
in the hand is worth one in the

1311
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:52,900
bush or whatever.

1312
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,220
You can say, Hey, LLM, uh, what does,

1313
00:48:56,260 --> 00:49:01,860
um, you know, eating, eating bread sideways saves

1314
00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:03,120
you a day of work.

1315
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,560
What does that phrase mean?

1316
00:49:04,580 --> 00:49:06,160
And it'll just make up some bull crap.

1317
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:08,100
It's like, it's like, Oh, that means this

1318
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:08,740
and this and this.

1319
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:11,040
Like, it's just, it's all, it's all, it's

1320
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,960
all goofball stuff under the hood.

1321
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,960
And like, and it would not, it would

1322
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,940
only take a little bit of tweaking.

1323
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,720
I was sitting here listening to you describe

1324
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:25,180
like your process and, um, it would only

1325
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:27,660
take a little bit of tweaking to introduce

1326
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:32,840
another, to introduce a little wrinkle where you

1327
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,000
intentionally make the model misunderstand just to get

1328
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,120
one or two more prompts out of you

1329
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,640
to use your credits more fat.

1330
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,640
That's very possible.

1331
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:44,800
That's very possible.

1332
00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:47,580
And I, by the way, everybody has, you're

1333
00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:48,540
using the wrong one.

1334
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:50,460
Use cursor, use this, use that.

1335
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,220
It does great.

1336
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:54,020
You have to understand that liquid soap by

1337
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:58,680
itself is the messiest project that I've ever

1338
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,140
seen.

1339
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,280
And you go look at the, at the

1340
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,740
GitHub and there's, or there's all these different

1341
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:09,100
places and there's documentation and there's 18 versions

1342
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,220
that people are using.

1343
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,740
And you can just see the confusion in

1344
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:15,580
the model itself that it just doesn't know

1345
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:17,320
where to go, you know?

1346
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:19,220
And it just is like, Oh, okay.

1347
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:20,200
I bumped up a wall there.

1348
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:21,260
I'm going to back out and do this.

1349
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,200
But anyway, very long, uh, fun conversation to

1350
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:25,860
come back to.

1351
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,820
There's real, this live, the lit tag, there's

1352
00:50:28,820 --> 00:50:31,400
one of the most exciting things in podcasting

1353
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:31,740
today.

1354
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:36,180
And, uh, just like we don't really know,

1355
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:39,620
we can't really define what a podcast is

1356
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:42,640
anymore because of the podcast industrial complex.

1357
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,860
I think the same holds true for radio.

1358
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:46,660
This is not radio.

1359
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,560
In fact, I'd think if, um, if you

1360
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,660
said to someone it's a live stream, they

1361
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:52,160
get it.

1362
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:53,920
You say it's radio.

1363
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,580
And what do you mean radio?

1364
00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:58,160
All kinds of, you get, you know, a

1365
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,080
radio disc jockey radio stations come to mind.

1366
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:04,500
But when you say live stream, it's much

1367
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:05,080
more clear.

1368
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,460
Oh, it's a live stream.

1369
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:07,100
What's it, what's it up?

1370
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:08,160
Oh, it's of these podcasts.

1371
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:08,580
Oh, cool.

1372
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,740
It's a live stream of podcasts.

1373
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:10,720
Got it.

1374
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,420
They get it right away.

1375
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:14,140
So I personally can't wait.

1376
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:16,180
Once I get this thing rolling, I want,

1377
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,340
I hope, hopefully I can deploy this or

1378
00:51:18,340 --> 00:51:20,920
have the guys over at no agenda stream

1379
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,680
use this to, you know, to manage the

1380
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,200
no agenda stream because you can still, you

1381
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,700
know, do your live cut ins and all

1382
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:29,300
that stuff.

1383
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,540
But then there's, you know, there, I think

1384
00:51:31,540 --> 00:51:34,440
they're hacking liquid soap scripts manually for the

1385
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,120
lineup and it's, you know, cotton gin will

1386
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,640
say, I think this is the next show

1387
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,920
that's coming after no agenda.

1388
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:40,640
I'm not sure.

1389
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,500
Which tells me that, you know, the manager,

1390
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,260
the management of it is so great.

1391
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:48,600
And you just throw this stuff in, there's

1392
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,480
a new episode, boom, it pops out, it

1393
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,320
plays, it works.

1394
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,260
It's really, it's a great experience and I

1395
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:59,800
can't wait because inadvertently or maybe because of

1396
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,860
who we are, the Godcaster app will be

1397
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:05,640
under the hood.

1398
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:06,920
It's a podcast app.

1399
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:09,560
In fact, I think we've used some of

1400
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,640
the open source libraries from pod verse now.

1401
00:52:12,740 --> 00:52:15,360
In fact, I'm sure we have under the

1402
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:15,500
hood.

1403
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:18,260
You're saying the Godcaster app on, on iOS

1404
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:20,740
and Android, the mobile app.

1405
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:20,980
Yeah.

1406
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:23,280
Which, which, you know, the hardest part of

1407
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,880
that was getting it to work on car

1408
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,700
play and work on Android auto.

1409
00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:29,260
DNPs spent most of his time on that.

1410
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,200
Right.

1411
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,100
But it doesn't feel like a podcast app.

1412
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:37,700
There's something completely different, but everything in it

1413
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,540
is a podcast or a stream of podcasts

1414
00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:43,120
or in some cases an actual live radio

1415
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,000
stream, but it's a podcast app underneath, but

1416
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,380
it doesn't feel like that.

1417
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:51,020
It feels like, Hey, you know, it feels

1418
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:51,660
like radio.

1419
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:52,360
It does.

1420
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,180
It's like, Oh, there's this app and I

1421
00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:56,620
can bop around and you can do all

1422
00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:57,760
the same things you do with the, and

1423
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,400
you're like, I'm going to save this episode

1424
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,340
to a playlist.

1425
00:53:00,580 --> 00:53:02,400
But then when you, the push button part

1426
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,080
comes, when you hit the live tab, it's

1427
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,960
like, Oh, here's all these live stations that

1428
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,420
are near me or I can search further

1429
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:09,720
away.

1430
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:11,280
If I want to, you hit one, you

1431
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,640
drop right into something.

1432
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,000
You have no idea what it is.

1433
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,780
Although the metadata shows up, Oh, this is

1434
00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:17,340
this show.

1435
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:18,400
This is what's playing.

1436
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:20,280
And then right there, it's like, Oh, there's

1437
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:20,660
the show.

1438
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:23,160
So I can listen to that later if

1439
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,420
I want to or I can just keep

1440
00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:25,200
listening now.

1441
00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:26,580
Another one will come up.

1442
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,120
There's something good about this.

1443
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:29,920
Really.

1444
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,880
The main things we have to figure out

1445
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,720
is on the fly.

1446
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,240
We need to change metadata.

1447
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,300
We need to change the, the, the funding

1448
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:38,860
tag.

1449
00:53:38,980 --> 00:53:41,700
Cause this is a big part of, of

1450
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:44,660
the, of the community we're working in and

1451
00:53:44,660 --> 00:53:45,440
we had funding.

1452
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:45,960
Yeah.

1453
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,580
We had such a big win the other

1454
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:48,180
day.

1455
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,060
Maybe we should explain that how important the

1456
00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:51,880
funding tag is.

1457
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:52,360
Thank you.

1458
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,300
Pocket cash.

1459
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:54,040
Thank you.

1460
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,540
Pocket cash for, for surfacing that.

1461
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,460
What I'm so, so happy they did that.

1462
00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:02,960
The funding tag is, I mean, it is

1463
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,300
almost as not quite, but it's almost as

1464
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:08,080
good as a boost.

1465
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,840
It's so it could be may it, it

1466
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,380
could be made to be basically a boost

1467
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:21,580
with a little bit of, with a little

1468
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:23,240
bit of tweaking on a UI, you could

1469
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,100
take that funding tag and turn it into

1470
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:25,780
a boost button.

1471
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:27,200
Correct.

1472
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,320
Chad F believe me, we're going to send

1473
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480
value back once we make any money off

1474
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,940
of this, but thanks for asking you to

1475
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:36,900
value back to podverse.

1476
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,700
Oh, to podverse.

1477
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:41,160
I'm a, I'm already a monthly subscriber to

1478
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:41,520
podverse.

1479
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:42,800
I'm a premium member already.

1480
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:45,260
That's just Chad F.

1481
00:54:45,380 --> 00:54:46,040
That's Chad F.

1482
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,200
That's how we, that's how he thinks.

1483
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,900
Now, man, we're ripping off podverse for our

1484
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:50,500
own gain.

1485
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,600
That's what we're doing here.

1486
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,460
That's what we're doing.

1487
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:54,580
That's what we're doing here.

1488
00:54:56,220 --> 00:55:01,280
So we have these radio stations and they,

1489
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:06,350
they have deals with the program people.

1490
00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:09,670
It's very, it's a very antiquated system and

1491
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:11,210
it's all value for value based.

1492
00:55:11,330 --> 00:55:14,010
And so they'll run a program on the

1493
00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:18,230
air and then someone will hear, Oh, donate

1494
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:22,070
to living on the edge and go to

1495
00:55:22,070 --> 00:55:23,610
living on the edge.com and the good

1496
00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:24,830
living on the edge.com.

1497
00:55:24,850 --> 00:55:27,410
And then they're just going to, and there's

1498
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:28,250
a, there's a dropdown.

1499
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:29,690
Where did you hear about us?

1500
00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:31,250
Well, of course, 95% of the people

1501
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:33,970
don't click that or don't tell you where

1502
00:55:33,970 --> 00:55:35,150
they heard it or don't remember.

1503
00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:38,430
And so the state, the program is supposed

1504
00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:40,290
to send money back to the station.

1505
00:55:40,510 --> 00:55:44,490
Sometimes the state, the program buys airtime from

1506
00:55:44,490 --> 00:55:46,750
the station and they'd like to know if

1507
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:48,350
it's, if it's, you know, if they're getting

1508
00:55:48,350 --> 00:55:50,670
any donations from that money they're spending.

1509
00:55:50,970 --> 00:55:53,370
So this has been a big problem because

1510
00:55:53,370 --> 00:55:55,710
it's called attribution in their world, which is,

1511
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:58,050
you know, similar to attribution in other places.

1512
00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:00,730
But so where did, where did this person

1513
00:56:00,730 --> 00:56:01,410
come from?

1514
00:56:02,070 --> 00:56:06,810
And so now a very big program is

1515
00:56:06,810 --> 00:56:09,910
starting to discover because we have, we surface

1516
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:11,910
the funding tag, but we send off a

1517
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:12,790
referring URL.

1518
00:56:13,090 --> 00:56:16,310
They're finding out that they're getting donations from

1519
00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:19,670
radio stations who have their program in the

1520
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:21,750
Godcaster player, but don't even have them on

1521
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:22,210
the air.

1522
00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:25,450
And they're like, this is amazing.

1523
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:28,690
You know, so now there's all these, that's

1524
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:30,130
the, all because of the funding tag.

1525
00:56:30,270 --> 00:56:30,450
Yup.

1526
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:32,590
The funding tag is doing magic.

1527
00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:34,370
It's one of the oldest tags we have.

1528
00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:36,570
And, and I, and I'd love that.

1529
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:38,650
I'd love for podcast guru to surface that

1530
00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:39,410
more clearly.

1531
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:41,330
Cause you know, to get to the funding

1532
00:56:41,330 --> 00:56:42,930
tag, you have to go back to the

1533
00:56:42,930 --> 00:56:45,090
program feed that is in the menu.

1534
00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:47,590
You know, it's not like a big button

1535
00:56:47,590 --> 00:56:48,350
that you push.

1536
00:56:50,070 --> 00:56:51,870
Something that I get cast doing that was

1537
00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:52,470
a big deal.

1538
00:56:52,590 --> 00:56:53,910
They're a big app, huge.

1539
00:56:54,210 --> 00:56:56,570
They have a, they have a large audience.

1540
00:56:57,430 --> 00:57:00,110
Any, you know, I understand, you know, Marco,

1541
00:57:00,170 --> 00:57:02,630
Marco has always said he wasn't, he wouldn't

1542
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:03,950
do it because of getting banned off the

1543
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:04,210
app store.

1544
00:57:04,330 --> 00:57:07,010
That argument doesn't make any sense to me.

1545
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:09,270
No, it doesn't make any sense to me

1546
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:12,250
because if you, you put it in the

1547
00:57:12,250 --> 00:57:14,230
description, it shows up too.

1548
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:15,850
I mean, it doesn't make any difference.

1549
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:16,350
It's there.

1550
00:57:17,070 --> 00:57:18,630
Well, I mean, if you're, you're an app

1551
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:21,330
developer, you put, you put the, you put

1552
00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:21,890
it in there.

1553
00:57:22,810 --> 00:57:24,870
If they reject it, you just take it

1554
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:25,190
out.

1555
00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:25,950
Yeah.

1556
00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:27,910
It's not the end of the world.

1557
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:29,770
I mean, you try, this is, this happens

1558
00:57:29,770 --> 00:57:32,790
with all kinds of features as an app

1559
00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:34,310
developer, as a mobile app developer.

1560
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:38,990
Every time you put a feature in you,

1561
00:57:39,110 --> 00:57:41,890
you never, you never know what the whims

1562
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:43,570
of app review are going to be.

1563
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:50,770
It countless times apps, app builds have are

1564
00:57:50,770 --> 00:57:54,310
rejected every single day for completely arbitrary reasons.

1565
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:56,190
Sometimes the exact same app with the same

1566
00:57:56,190 --> 00:57:56,830
functionality.

1567
00:57:57,830 --> 00:57:58,070
Yes.

1568
00:57:58,730 --> 00:58:01,430
And so you, you do, you just, you

1569
00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:03,490
play the game, you go and you put,

1570
00:58:03,590 --> 00:58:05,110
you know, you put the feature in, you

1571
00:58:05,110 --> 00:58:06,330
think it's going to work.

1572
00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:07,550
You don't think it's going to work.

1573
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:10,050
You put it in, it gets rejected.

1574
00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:12,950
We just, you roll the feature back out.

1575
00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:13,190
Yeah.

1576
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:14,950
I don't understand.

1577
00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:17,170
It's not like you're going to get, it's

1578
00:58:17,170 --> 00:58:18,830
not like your developer account is going to

1579
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:19,550
get banned.

1580
00:58:19,550 --> 00:58:22,710
You just get your, that build may get

1581
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:23,170
rejected.

1582
00:58:23,550 --> 00:58:25,410
I just don't get, I just don't get

1583
00:58:25,410 --> 00:58:25,590
it.

1584
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:27,010
I really don't.

1585
00:58:27,090 --> 00:58:29,150
And it's such a huge, it's such a

1586
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:29,790
huge win.

1587
00:58:30,350 --> 00:58:30,570
Yeah.

1588
00:58:30,670 --> 00:58:32,450
You know, I mean, it really is.

1589
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:34,610
And make it big, make it big and

1590
00:58:34,610 --> 00:58:38,490
use the, use the, the text option because

1591
00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:39,810
we have that in the Godcaster.

1592
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:40,810
It's really cool.

1593
00:58:41,410 --> 00:58:44,510
So you show up on a curry and

1594
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:48,090
the keeper, the button changes to, uh, you

1595
00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:49,010
know, support the show.

1596
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:52,170
You move it to, um, to another one.

1597
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:54,510
It says, uh, we'd love to receive your

1598
00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:56,990
support all based on the text tag.

1599
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:57,910
I've never seen that.

1600
00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:59,950
I've never seen the text tag change in

1601
00:58:59,950 --> 00:59:02,130
a button for the, for, uh, for the

1602
00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:04,570
value tag, except on our own stuff.

1603
00:59:04,570 --> 00:59:05,370
And it's great.

1604
00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:08,270
You know, it's another, it's another piece of

1605
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:10,510
content that you can, you can change.

1606
00:59:10,550 --> 00:59:12,110
I mean, I, I'd love for people to

1607
00:59:12,110 --> 00:59:14,210
have to change their own button, make it

1608
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:15,770
a heart, make it a star, make it

1609
00:59:15,770 --> 00:59:18,050
a, make it a pile of cash, whatever

1610
00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:19,010
you want to make it.

1611
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:21,970
Now this, there is a lot to be

1612
00:59:21,970 --> 00:59:22,230
done.

1613
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:24,350
I think the whole world is opening up

1614
00:59:24,350 --> 00:59:26,510
when you start to view what is a

1615
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:27,390
podcast app.

1616
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:30,310
When you change your perception of what it

1617
00:59:30,310 --> 00:59:34,770
is and build something that delivers an experience

1618
00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:37,370
and don't call it a podcast, don't call

1619
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:38,550
it a podcast app.

1620
00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:40,210
It just changes.

1621
00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:43,030
I'm excited for everybody to see it.

1622
00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:44,490
Yeah.

1623
00:59:44,590 --> 00:59:47,010
I think you, um, I think what you,

1624
00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:48,910
what you end up doing is you just

1625
00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:52,650
kind of, you create radio.

1626
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:56,130
I guess we always thought that radio was

1627
00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:57,350
a thing, or maybe this is just me.

1628
00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:57,750
I don't know.

1629
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:05,690
Um, we associate a radio station with a

1630
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:14,290
certain, with a certain consumption habit, but that

1631
01:00:14,290 --> 01:00:17,750
is just sort of like a side of

1632
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:21,490
it's, it's just the way it happens.

1633
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:23,530
It wasn't necessarily by design.

1634
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:26,770
It was just the only way that thing

1635
01:00:26,770 --> 01:00:29,650
could work because you had linear terrestrial broadcast

1636
01:00:29,650 --> 01:00:32,250
was the only thing that you had available

1637
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:33,410
to you at the beginning, you know, in

1638
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:34,590
the beginning of that thing.

1639
01:00:35,310 --> 01:00:37,030
And so you're like, okay, well this is

1640
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:40,470
what rate you had linear broadcast over an

1641
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:41,890
air over the airwaves.

1642
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:46,650
You're like, yeah, well radio, radio, but radio

1643
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:48,450
doesn't actually have to be that.

1644
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:52,670
That it was only, it was only that

1645
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:56,310
because you didn't have any other way to

1646
01:00:56,310 --> 01:00:57,610
just to do it.

1647
01:00:58,270 --> 01:01:01,910
But if you, but now you can have

1648
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:08,230
essentially a digital version of the same thing.

1649
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:09,810
Um, I guess what I'm trying to say

1650
01:01:09,810 --> 01:01:12,150
is, I know this, this is sounds confusing,

1651
01:01:12,290 --> 01:01:13,590
but I guess what I'm trying to say

1652
01:01:13,590 --> 01:01:18,990
is we, we come to associate the, when

1653
01:01:18,990 --> 01:01:21,310
you think of radio, you think of what

1654
01:01:21,310 --> 01:01:24,930
you described dropping in to a, to a,

1655
01:01:25,170 --> 01:01:28,230
to who knows where in the programming lineup.

1656
01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:31,370
And then it just from there, it just

1657
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:33,450
picks up and carries off in a linear

1658
01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:33,930
fashion.

1659
01:01:33,930 --> 01:01:36,590
And that's what we think of as radio.

1660
01:01:38,170 --> 01:01:40,110
Um, well, so here, let me drop in

1661
01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:42,510
right now on hellofred.fm to all the

1662
01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:43,890
shows live Glover.

1663
01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:44,650
All right.

1664
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:46,530
They worked together on this.

1665
01:01:47,010 --> 01:01:49,790
And so less than two years later, now

1666
01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:51,350
that feels like I just dropped into a

1667
01:01:51,350 --> 01:01:55,070
radio stream to place, but it's really, um,

1668
01:01:55,210 --> 01:01:58,450
Matt Long's, uh, the Matt Long show, which

1669
01:01:58,450 --> 01:02:00,870
is a two next to the last in

1670
01:02:00,870 --> 01:02:02,110
my lineup and it's just playing.

1671
01:02:02,110 --> 01:02:03,830
And after that comes the wall builder show.

1672
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:05,730
And in between, you're going to hear the

1673
01:02:05,730 --> 01:02:07,810
weather in seven, eight, six, two, four.

1674
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:11,890
Well, you had the, you had this.

1675
01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:14,650
So the reason you, that feels like radio

1676
01:02:14,650 --> 01:02:16,830
using your words, the reason that instantly feels

1677
01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:20,250
like radio is because it's the linear just

1678
01:02:20,250 --> 01:02:22,430
is the linear playback model.

1679
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:26,990
And radio is the, that was all radio

1680
01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:27,670
could do.

1681
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:28,230
Yeah.

1682
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:30,410
But then we entered this era where you,

1683
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:35,030
where you had, um, on demand and you

1684
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:37,190
could pick your own and you could time

1685
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:39,130
shift and pick what you wanted to listen

1686
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:41,390
to when, when you wanted to listen to

1687
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:41,510
it.

1688
01:02:41,590 --> 01:02:41,750
Right.

1689
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:45,490
So now you had this other possible way

1690
01:02:45,490 --> 01:02:46,630
to consume media.

1691
01:02:46,890 --> 01:02:49,210
What the trick and this, this, let's get

1692
01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:50,730
back to the trick is location.

1693
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:54,990
Radio is bound to location.

1694
01:02:55,450 --> 01:02:55,910
Yes.

1695
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:56,310
Yes.

1696
01:02:56,530 --> 01:03:00,190
That's, that's where the location tag and the

1697
01:03:00,190 --> 01:03:01,470
lit tag come together.

1698
01:03:02,210 --> 01:03:05,410
They are, they, they, they go together because

1699
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:08,230
when, when I see a location, Oh, this

1700
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:09,450
is Fredericksburg, Texas.

1701
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:12,070
And I pop, then I pop into the,

1702
01:03:12,070 --> 01:03:12,890
to the stream.

1703
01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:15,970
I'm now listening to Fredericksburg, Texas, not to

1704
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:16,790
the Matt Long Show.

1705
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:19,170
I'm listening to Fredericksburg, Texas.

1706
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:21,210
I don't know what the heck is going

1707
01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:21,490
on.

1708
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:24,030
Let me, let me talk.

1709
01:03:24,830 --> 01:03:26,730
So let me talk about how James's location

1710
01:03:26,730 --> 01:03:29,170
tag changes make this better.

1711
01:03:31,150 --> 01:03:34,250
Um, so he had, he added a couple

1712
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:36,810
of, really this was a very pretty, pretty

1713
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:37,610
simple change.

1714
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:42,890
Uh, the first attribute, he added two attributes

1715
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:45,150
and then adjusted some constraints.

1716
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:49,810
The first attribute he added was a rail.

1717
01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:53,250
So let's, so like Ariel short for relationship.

1718
01:03:54,770 --> 01:04:00,270
Um, and your, your rail attribute can contain,

1719
01:04:01,090 --> 01:04:03,650
uh, the value can be either creator or

1720
01:04:03,650 --> 01:04:04,250
subject.

1721
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:09,850
And so before, um, what we had was

1722
01:04:09,850 --> 01:04:12,950
only what the, what the podcast was about.

1723
01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:15,090
So your location tag was meant to define

1724
01:04:15,090 --> 01:04:20,170
the, the location of the topic, not the

1725
01:04:20,170 --> 01:04:21,570
location of the podcast creator.

1726
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:26,810
Now you can sub, you can specify that.

1727
01:04:26,910 --> 01:04:28,730
You can have the location tag tell you

1728
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:29,650
which one it is.

1729
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:31,870
Are you tell, are you saying you, so

1730
01:04:31,870 --> 01:04:34,130
rail equals subject means that the subject matter

1731
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:37,510
of the podcast is what this location tag

1732
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:38,150
is defining.

1733
01:04:38,770 --> 01:04:41,390
So this thing is about something like the

1734
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:42,050
Eiffel tower.

1735
01:04:42,190 --> 01:04:44,310
And here's my, here's where I'm going to

1736
01:04:44,310 --> 01:04:46,990
tell you the geo location coordinates of the

1737
01:04:46,990 --> 01:04:47,590
Eiffel tower.

1738
01:04:48,810 --> 01:04:54,050
Um, or you can have rail equal creator,

1739
01:04:54,310 --> 01:04:58,150
which means no, I'm not, I'm not telling

1740
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:59,290
you anything about my content.

1741
01:04:59,390 --> 01:05:00,810
I'm telling you where I am, where I

1742
01:05:00,810 --> 01:05:01,030
am.

1743
01:05:01,110 --> 01:05:01,410
Yes.

1744
01:05:02,350 --> 01:05:05,030
And so that would be what something like

1745
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:06,430
a radio station would use.

1746
01:05:06,970 --> 01:05:09,230
They're going to, they're going to have rail

1747
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:13,190
equals creator, uh, in their feed.

1748
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:16,070
And that's going to tell you what, where

1749
01:05:16,070 --> 01:05:16,830
they are.

1750
01:05:16,990 --> 01:05:19,270
Now they could also specify their subjects.

1751
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:21,470
So then that's another change that, that he

1752
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:24,270
made, which is a constraint change, but it

1753
01:05:24,270 --> 01:05:27,030
was before you could only have one location

1754
01:05:27,030 --> 01:05:29,370
tag in a channel or an item.

1755
01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:31,630
Now you can have multiple.

1756
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:34,530
So what you can, so now what you

1757
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:38,650
can say is, uh, this, you can have

1758
01:05:38,650 --> 01:05:42,110
two location tags, for instance, in the channel,

1759
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:46,770
one of them specifies rel equals creator.

1760
01:05:47,030 --> 01:05:48,790
And so you're saying, okay, I'm a radio

1761
01:05:48,790 --> 01:05:50,150
station in Houston, Texas.

1762
01:05:51,090 --> 01:05:53,670
And you have another location tag right below

1763
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:56,110
it, which is rel equals subject.

1764
01:05:56,890 --> 01:06:01,350
Um, and you say, okay, this, this podcast

1765
01:06:01,350 --> 01:06:03,690
is about Houston, Texas.

1766
01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:05,510
I'm going to, I'm going to paste the

1767
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:10,570
listen URL in the boardroom for your stream.

1768
01:06:11,630 --> 01:06:15,310
No, the listen.godcaster.fm. Oh, okay.

1769
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:15,670
All right.

1770
01:06:15,870 --> 01:06:18,170
So people can get an idea and just

1771
01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:23,250
type in Pennsylvania or Texas or, um, Alberta.

1772
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:24,790
I think we have Alberta in there.

1773
01:06:24,910 --> 01:06:26,210
We don't have, you can type in the

1774
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:26,870
country too.

1775
01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:29,230
You can say Canada, Alberta, and you can

1776
01:06:29,230 --> 01:06:29,630
see it.

1777
01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:33,570
And these are podcasts from Alberta.

1778
01:06:33,570 --> 01:06:36,730
It's really cool that are, that are not,

1779
01:06:36,850 --> 01:06:39,750
not even necessarily all the podcasts are from

1780
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:42,250
Alberta, but that's what Alberta is listening to.

1781
01:06:43,830 --> 01:06:45,550
And Daniel beat me to it.

1782
01:06:45,590 --> 01:06:47,350
He said, uh, you can add multiple subject

1783
01:06:47,350 --> 01:06:47,850
locations.

1784
01:06:48,110 --> 01:06:51,670
So if you're, if your podcast is about,

1785
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:54,670
if this, if this particular episode is about,

1786
01:06:55,610 --> 01:06:58,490
um, let's say it's about Houston, what his

1787
01:06:58,490 --> 01:07:00,990
example, Houston, Dallas, and London, you just put

1788
01:07:00,990 --> 01:07:01,810
three tags in there.

1789
01:07:02,490 --> 01:07:04,270
One's Houston, one's Dallas, one's London.

1790
01:07:04,530 --> 01:07:08,550
Or what if it's about, um, you know,

1791
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:11,510
a, uh, what if it's about as a

1792
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:14,070
war, war two podcast, and it's about a

1793
01:07:14,070 --> 01:07:16,450
sword B it was with a Utah beach,

1794
01:07:16,930 --> 01:07:19,610
sword beach and Omaha beach D-Day in

1795
01:07:19,610 --> 01:07:20,190
Omaha beach.

1796
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:20,330
Yeah.

1797
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:20,670
D-Day.

1798
01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:23,270
It's a podcast about D-Day and episode

1799
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:23,790
about D-Day.

1800
01:07:23,830 --> 01:07:25,670
It can have those three beach locations in

1801
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:27,790
there all with real equal subject.

1802
01:07:27,790 --> 01:07:30,270
And you could put the open street map

1803
01:07:30,270 --> 01:07:32,750
coordinate bounding box in there that shows you

1804
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,730
exactly what the bound bounds of that location

1805
01:07:35,730 --> 01:07:37,010
are not just the latitude longitude.

1806
01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:40,870
And so then the L the other attribute

1807
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:41,950
he added was country.

1808
01:07:42,130 --> 01:07:45,330
So you can just specify a country two

1809
01:07:45,330 --> 01:07:46,090
letter country.

1810
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:46,650
Right.

1811
01:07:47,030 --> 01:07:47,250
Right.

1812
01:07:47,970 --> 01:07:52,870
Um, so the, uh, you can also now,

1813
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:55,550
I don't think he had this in his

1814
01:07:55,550 --> 01:07:57,730
documentation, but I just did it because this

1815
01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:58,770
needed to happen.

1816
01:07:58,850 --> 01:08:00,130
You can also add it to a live

1817
01:08:00,130 --> 01:08:00,390
item.

1818
01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:02,670
So it's not just an item or us

1819
01:08:02,670 --> 01:08:03,290
or the channel.

1820
01:08:03,410 --> 01:08:04,250
It's also a live item.

1821
01:08:05,710 --> 01:08:08,170
So all this stuff is, you know, is

1822
01:08:08,170 --> 01:08:16,529
makes this tag supercharged, you know, and where

1823
01:08:16,529 --> 01:08:18,290
it can actually do the thing that we

1824
01:08:18,290 --> 01:08:19,450
wanted it to do.

1825
01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:21,649
Because as soon as we said, okay, this

1826
01:08:21,649 --> 01:08:22,930
is about the subject matter.

1827
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:27,689
People got, it was always a little bit

1828
01:08:27,689 --> 01:08:30,450
of friction because you would have people saying,

1829
01:08:30,569 --> 01:08:33,910
yeah, but I want to, I want, you

1830
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:35,670
have people from France saying, but I want

1831
01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:37,250
to listen to French podcasts.

1832
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:41,109
I don't necessarily want to listen to podcasts

1833
01:08:41,109 --> 01:08:42,109
about France.

1834
01:08:42,330 --> 01:08:42,649
Right.

1835
01:08:42,890 --> 01:08:44,850
I want to listen to podcasts from France.

1836
01:08:45,010 --> 01:08:45,229
Yep.

1837
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:48,189
And so this will let, and we didn't

1838
01:08:48,189 --> 01:08:49,229
have a way to do that.

1839
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:51,649
So this will let you do that now.

1840
01:08:53,750 --> 01:08:55,370
So I think that, I think this is

1841
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:57,350
a crit, this is just a critically important

1842
01:08:57,350 --> 01:08:58,609
change for this whole thing.

1843
01:08:58,689 --> 01:09:01,350
And it allows you to, allows us to

1844
01:09:01,350 --> 01:09:05,870
get further toward the thing that, that we're,

1845
01:09:05,970 --> 01:09:11,729
we're wanting, which is, you know, what we

1846
01:09:11,729 --> 01:09:14,189
had was it maps.fm. We had that

1847
01:09:14,189 --> 01:09:16,670
geolocated podcast thing.

1848
01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:16,890
Yep.

1849
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:22,950
And let me, let me talk, this, this

1850
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:24,729
actually kind of a good side note here

1851
01:09:24,729 --> 01:09:28,490
for, for, for all of the podcast namespace

1852
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:30,529
tags and features and all these things that

1853
01:09:30,529 --> 01:09:34,910
we, that we think about developing, we think,

1854
01:09:36,790 --> 01:09:38,490
we think we know what it's for.

1855
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:42,569
We think we know what it's for is

1856
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:44,580
one thing.

1857
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,080
And the other thing is we know we,

1858
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,600
it's sometimes we see it as some sort

1859
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,680
of just novelty.

1860
01:09:53,180 --> 01:09:57,840
Like, um, I think maps.fm, it was

1861
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,100
a cool project, but that's kind of all

1862
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:01,460
it was, was just cool.

1863
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:03,000
Right.

1864
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,980
And, and that's not enough.

1865
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,460
You know, it's not enough to just have

1866
01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:13,320
something be a novelty or be you, you

1867
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,560
never, if, if all you do is go,

1868
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:17,400
Oh, that's cool.

1869
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,140
And then you never really engage with it

1870
01:10:20,140 --> 01:10:24,840
again, then, then you've, you're not really hitting

1871
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,160
it.

1872
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,140
You're not hitting the, you're not getting the

1873
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:27,520
point.

1874
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:28,060
Right.

1875
01:10:28,420 --> 01:10:30,520
So, and that's not a criticism of the

1876
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:30,900
developer.

1877
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,180
That's just, I'm just saying that that like

1878
01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:35,520
as, as a spec or some sort of

1879
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,280
thing that your feature you're trying to develop,

1880
01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:40,080
you have to get beyond the sense of

1881
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,480
novelty to the, to the point where it

1882
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,280
becomes like an essential feature that you actually

1883
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:45,820
need.

1884
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,860
And I think in order for something to

1885
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:54,180
go beyond novelty, to become essential, it has

1886
01:10:54,180 --> 01:10:56,060
to have a, it has to, the use

1887
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:58,160
case has to be demonstrated in a way

1888
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,120
where you see, okay, this thing you're trying

1889
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,140
to do could not be done in any

1890
01:11:03,140 --> 01:11:03,920
other fashion.

1891
01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:07,020
And I want this thing.

1892
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:09,460
And this is the only way to do

1893
01:11:09,460 --> 01:11:09,680
it.

1894
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:13,040
And I think this is a perfect example

1895
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:13,500
of that.

1896
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:15,880
We took a tag like the location tag

1897
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,420
that was just mostly a novelty.

1898
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,740
And now I think these changes make it

1899
01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:23,940
essential because if you're going to have digital,

1900
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:27,720
like true digital radio, where, where, where a

1901
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,800
radio station, let's say a radio station wanted

1902
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,600
to drop their transmitter and just go digital

1903
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:39,380
only, how are they going to distribute?

1904
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:42,080
How are they going to tell everybody where

1905
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,880
their radio station is?

1906
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:44,340
Right.

1907
01:11:44,820 --> 01:11:47,020
When you're linear broadcast, when you're terrestrial broadcast,

1908
01:11:47,140 --> 01:11:49,380
you don't have to tell them because everybody

1909
01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:51,220
knows cause they just spin the dial until

1910
01:11:51,220 --> 01:11:51,880
they hear you.

1911
01:11:51,980 --> 01:11:53,520
And you know, the crazy thing is, is

1912
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,480
that no agenda stream has been running for

1913
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:02,480
some amazing amount, like 15 years.

1914
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,040
And the next piece, the next piece that

1915
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,000
is critical is the chat room.

1916
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,640
That's now you've got community.

1917
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:12,860
Yeah.

1918
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,720
That, so there's three tags that go together.

1919
01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:23,420
Chat, location, funding and chat.

1920
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:29,100
Location, lit, lit, location, chat, funding.

1921
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:30,300
Four.

1922
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:30,860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1923
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,980
That's kind of like the, the, that's the,

1924
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:36,320
the, the, you know, the magic, the magic

1925
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:36,620
quad.

1926
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,080
The mag four, the mag four.

1927
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:45,120
Mag for lit location, funding and chat.

1928
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:46,240
Yeah.

1929
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:48,780
And even just that man, if we really

1930
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:50,980
started to surface the funding tag a lot

1931
01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:54,520
more prevalently, because I was telling Dvorak about

1932
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,160
it on the show, maybe two weeks ago,

1933
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:57,760
he said, what?

1934
01:12:58,060 --> 01:13:00,640
So yeah, it's like a frictionless donation button.

1935
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:01,880
He says, that's great.

1936
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,180
How come I haven't heard of this?

1937
01:13:03,940 --> 01:13:08,080
Well, first of all, you're you, but your

1938
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,620
email make sure you haven't blocked me on

1939
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:12,060
your email.

1940
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,380
It's a great, it's a really good feature.

1941
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,200
Cause you can put your Patreon in there

1942
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,840
and you can put your, you can put

1943
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:21,600
anything in there.

1944
01:13:21,820 --> 01:13:23,540
You can put a link to your QR

1945
01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:26,620
code for your, for your strike wallet.

1946
01:13:28,020 --> 01:13:28,460
Yeah.

1947
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:28,720
Yeah.

1948
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:29,240
That's what I'm saying.

1949
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,100
Like it wouldn't take much to turn that

1950
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:36,340
funding tag into a boost button at all.

1951
01:13:36,340 --> 01:13:39,040
And the boost button would go, the boost

1952
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:43,100
button would become just what, it would become

1953
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:44,480
whatever is backing it.

1954
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,120
There you go.

1955
01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:48,640
No value tag, but funding tag boost.

1956
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:49,920
Yeah.

1957
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:53,340
If you, if the, if the app detects

1958
01:13:53,340 --> 01:13:58,780
that the funding tag specifies a lightning QR

1959
01:13:58,780 --> 01:14:02,160
code, it can launch your wallet.

1960
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:02,980
Yeah.

1961
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,160
If, if it, if it detects that it's

1962
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:09,060
a PayPal link, it can launch the PayPal

1963
01:14:09,060 --> 01:14:09,500
app.

1964
01:14:10,420 --> 01:14:12,840
If it detects that it's, yeah.

1965
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:14,660
Launch the PayPal app even better.

1966
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:14,960
Yeah.

1967
01:14:15,380 --> 01:14:17,400
If it detects that it's an Apple pay

1968
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,360
link, it can just pull up the Apple

1969
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,000
pay dialogue.

1970
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,020
Like it just, there's, there's so many things

1971
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:25,920
that you could, you could really just like,

1972
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:26,700
what do you call it?

1973
01:14:28,340 --> 01:14:30,700
Kind of obfuscate or, or whatever, you know,

1974
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:34,140
you could obfuscate what's behind it and just

1975
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:35,900
give the person what they need.

1976
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:37,680
It doesn't have to just be a link

1977
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:38,040
or whatever.

1978
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:41,640
Now, you know, now that may be getting

1979
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:42,800
into app store violations.

1980
01:14:43,580 --> 01:14:43,840
Maybe.

1981
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:45,180
That may be a step too far.

1982
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:45,280
Maybe.

1983
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:45,740
I don't know.

1984
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:47,080
Well, we find out, right?

1985
01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:47,860
And we find out.

1986
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:48,020
Yeah.

1987
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,460
You, you try it and you find out,

1988
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:50,860
you get your hand slapped and you, you

1989
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:51,040
know.

1990
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,660
I'll tell you the funding for the value

1991
01:14:54,660 --> 01:14:57,000
for value model through the funding tag, through

1992
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:02,020
donations is a multi multi-million dollar business

1993
01:15:02,020 --> 01:15:04,160
in faith based programming.

1994
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:07,280
I mean, there, there are programmers who are

1995
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,360
making five, $6 million a year using just

1996
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,160
on donations.

1997
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,240
Now they have a very sophisticated database.

1998
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,500
So if you've given to them, you're going

1999
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:20,120
to get an email.

2000
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,420
Hey, Jesus loves you.

2001
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:24,640
Do you still love us?

2002
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:27,520
Yeah.

2003
01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:30,660
I mean like there was, so the one

2004
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:33,340
that, so we have this, this referral code

2005
01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:39,240
and what are they, what are they called?

2006
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,140
What's, what's the name of it?

2007
01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:46,600
What's the, the big, the big guys, John,

2008
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:51,600
where am I spacing on it?

2009
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,020
Focus on the family.

2010
01:15:54,260 --> 01:15:54,680
Oh, focus.

2011
01:15:54,780 --> 01:15:54,920
Yeah.

2012
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:55,320
Yeah.

2013
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:55,420
Okay.

2014
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,840
So when you hit the donation button from

2015
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,000
a Godcaster, it goes to their donation page.

2016
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:06,940
And, and this is how cool it is

2017
01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:11,500
when, when you don't complete it, so you

2018
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:12,700
fill out your information.

2019
01:16:13,180 --> 01:16:14,820
I don't even know how they did this,

2020
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,040
but I must've donated to him before.

2021
01:16:17,180 --> 01:16:19,800
But, um, you know, I didn't, I didn't

2022
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:20,360
send an amount.

2023
01:16:20,460 --> 01:16:22,920
It was just testing and like 40 minutes

2024
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,500
later I get an email and says, Hey,

2025
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:26,480
we know she didn't complete your donation.

2026
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:28,620
And it had the URL with the referral

2027
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:31,420
code in the email saying, you know, whenever

2028
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:33,440
you're ready to finish up this donation, just

2029
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:34,040
click this link.

2030
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,680
And it was our link here with the

2031
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:37,420
code and everything.

2032
01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:38,380
It was amazing.

2033
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,840
It's like, that's closing the loop, baby.

2034
01:16:41,460 --> 01:16:43,040
That was really cool.

2035
01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:46,340
I guarantee you that PayPal, those guys don't

2036
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:47,440
have any of that stuff.

2037
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:50,940
Non-religious podcasters could learn a lot from

2038
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:51,940
watching those guys.

2039
01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:57,020
You mean secular, secular, secular, secular, heathens, the

2040
01:16:57,020 --> 01:16:59,600
heathen pastors, the pagans, the pagan podcasters.

2041
01:17:02,380 --> 01:17:05,140
Yeah, no, it's, it's alive and well.

2042
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,780
And by the way, I've, I've demoed value

2043
01:17:07,780 --> 01:17:09,080
for value to some of those guys.

2044
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,360
They're blown away, but they're like, okay, how

2045
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:12,680
do we teach our people how to do

2046
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:12,920
that?

2047
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,740
So well, that's where it all falls apart.

2048
01:17:16,060 --> 01:17:17,640
And that, and that is the rub.

2049
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,200
That's a great question.

2050
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:20,380
We just tell them to spin up an

2051
01:17:20,380 --> 01:17:20,920
Albi node.

2052
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,660
What's your problem?

2053
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:22,800
Yeah.

2054
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:25,460
Jesus loves Albi.

2055
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:27,800
Jesus was a node.

2056
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:28,940
Martha, what are you waiting on?

2057
01:17:29,140 --> 01:17:30,660
Jesus was a maximalist.

2058
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:34,680
He read the book.

2059
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:35,220
Yeah.

2060
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,160
Anyway, so that was, that's my exciting news.

2061
01:17:39,260 --> 01:17:40,720
You know, I'm going to continue vibe coding

2062
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,000
and maybe by next board meeting, I'll have

2063
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,900
completed some scripts or I may, you know,

2064
01:17:45,900 --> 01:17:47,100
at a certain point, I think I'm on

2065
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:50,120
version 39 of this thing.

2066
01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:50,760
Oh, geez.

2067
01:17:50,940 --> 01:17:51,240
Yeah.

2068
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,100
Yeah.

2069
01:17:52,140 --> 01:17:53,820
And it comes up with cool names though.

2070
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,960
So when it, when it fixes the script,

2071
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:57,240
here, let me, I'll read this to you.

2072
01:17:57,740 --> 01:18:02,060
So it comes up with enhanced podcast, stream

2073
01:18:02,060 --> 01:18:07,020
dot lick fixed config dot S H fixed

2074
01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:10,280
mount point scripts, version two dot S H.

2075
01:18:11,260 --> 01:18:13,160
This is like when somebody sends you a

2076
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,280
word document that they've, that they've gone through

2077
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:20,180
seven iterations on and it'll, it'll say instructions

2078
01:18:20,180 --> 01:18:22,920
underscore final dash complete dash.

2079
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:27,420
The last one dash really, really dash.

2080
01:18:27,740 --> 01:18:28,920
I promise.

2081
01:18:29,380 --> 01:18:32,100
Oh, I got robust liquid soap script dot

2082
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:33,120
L I Q.

2083
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,160
And then he's sure final.

2084
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:38,160
I love this final underscore fix dot S

2085
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:38,520
H.

2086
01:18:38,660 --> 01:18:39,980
No, no, no.

2087
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:41,980
You're not too ambitious.

2088
01:18:41,980 --> 01:18:42,760
Stop it.

2089
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:43,760
Stop.

2090
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:44,900
Stop it.

2091
01:18:45,620 --> 01:18:47,700
You're Manus's biggest user.

2092
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:49,280
You may be their only user.

2093
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:49,980
It could be.

2094
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,900
I got the 3,900 free credits for

2095
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:54,320
being a happy camper.

2096
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,380
They're milking you for everything.

2097
01:18:57,340 --> 01:18:58,980
I got for sure.

2098
01:19:00,380 --> 01:19:01,340
I got emails.

2099
01:19:01,480 --> 01:19:02,840
Keep him on the, keep him on the

2100
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:03,060
horn.

2101
01:19:03,140 --> 01:19:03,680
We need him.

2102
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,600
I'm expecting a call from the CEO.

2103
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,080
Who's some innocuous Chinese dude.

2104
01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:12,100
Thank you.

2105
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:12,720
Thank you.

2106
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,700
Thank you for your support.

2107
01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:15,680
Yes.

2108
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,700
Soon price go up because of term tariff.

2109
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:20,100
Okay.

2110
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:20,720
Yeah.

2111
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:21,340
Yeah.

2112
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:23,360
More credit.

2113
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,580
35, 35% more.

2114
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:26,280
Yeah.

2115
01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:27,720
More credit.

2116
01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:29,160
Oh man.

2117
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:30,060
That's a lot of fun.

2118
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:30,900
It's a lot of fun.

2119
01:19:30,980 --> 01:19:34,080
And I'm, and I'm, I'm simultaneously enjoying and

2120
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,680
appreciating the pain that developers go through.

2121
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:37,700
But I really am.

2122
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,020
I really am.

2123
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:40,020
Yeah.

2124
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:40,820
It's amazing.

2125
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:41,880
Shadow Dom.

2126
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:43,020
Yeah.

2127
01:19:43,260 --> 01:19:44,600
You've been shadow doming.

2128
01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:45,860
That's a, that's a whole nother.

2129
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,680
So, so we have, you know, our embedded

2130
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,420
player doesn't work on one website.

2131
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,980
It doesn't, you know, the controls go all

2132
01:19:53,980 --> 01:19:56,080
wonky and this has been a CSS nightmare

2133
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:56,940
for eight months.

2134
01:19:57,460 --> 01:20:00,060
And so, so we've all, everything's fixed.

2135
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:00,680
Everything's great.

2136
01:20:00,740 --> 01:20:03,620
New customer comes in, everything breaks.

2137
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,820
And then, and then Dave rage quits and

2138
01:20:07,820 --> 01:20:08,980
comes back a week later.

2139
01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:11,000
I've rearchitected the whole thing.

2140
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,700
I'm doing shadow Dom now.

2141
01:20:12,780 --> 01:20:14,880
Like we need two more weeks of testing.

2142
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,780
Like what did you do?

2143
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:19,420
Yeah, it's, it was good enough.

2144
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,940
The CSS bleed through is just such a,

2145
01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:24,940
Oh, Oh, it's such a pain.

2146
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:29,140
One, one little thing that you forgot to

2147
01:20:29,140 --> 01:20:29,640
guardrail.

2148
01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:32,900
And it's just like, it makes the whole

2149
01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:33,940
thing look like garbage.

2150
01:20:33,940 --> 01:20:35,900
It's just like, Oh, just so frustrating.

2151
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:36,300
Yeah.

2152
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:37,760
But yeah, it's the right way.

2153
01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:40,680
The shadow Dom thing is the right way

2154
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:41,080
to do it.

2155
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,920
It just makes everything more complicated.

2156
01:20:43,220 --> 01:20:45,120
Because it completely goes around CSS.

2157
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:46,220
Is that the idea?

2158
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,720
Or it sits on top of it all

2159
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:48,960
or?

2160
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,060
Well, the thing about our player is it

2161
01:20:53,060 --> 01:20:54,620
has multiple parts to it.

2162
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:59,320
So you, when the player loads, well, you're

2163
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,440
loading, you know, first of all, we're loading,

2164
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:09,640
we're loading our UI into somebody else's website,

2165
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,980
which that's problem number one.

2166
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:13,760
And by the way, some of these websites

2167
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,360
still have blink tags.

2168
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:15,700
Okay.

2169
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:19,580
Oh, it's, it's just, Oh, it's just a

2170
01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:19,720
nightmare.

2171
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,900
And someone's high school kid, you know, I'll

2172
01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:24,380
fix your website for your radio station, dad.

2173
01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:27,140
Throw some CSS in there.

2174
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:28,220
Oh, it looks beautiful.

2175
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,740
First thing we're, you know, I'm, I'm using

2176
01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:35,860
tailwind on for, for the style, for the

2177
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:36,300
styling.

2178
01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:41,200
And so the one thing you run into

2179
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,820
is if you have anything in your, any

2180
01:21:43,820 --> 01:21:47,420
style, any class names, if you have any

2181
01:21:47,420 --> 01:21:51,900
class names in your HTML that are at

2182
01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:58,280
all like common words, something like a full

2183
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:03,880
or wide or, you know, anything like this,

2184
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,160
I feel like you're going to immediately have

2185
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,960
a clash with some other style on the

2186
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,300
page.

2187
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:08,840
Oh no.

2188
01:22:09,140 --> 01:22:11,240
So you, so, you know, you have to

2189
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,820
use these bizarre names and M and sort

2190
01:22:15,820 --> 01:22:19,020
of like put things under selectors that are

2191
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:22,740
hyper-specific and that mostly works.

2192
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:27,040
But, um, but it's, it's not complete.

2193
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,720
It doesn't always work because you're always going

2194
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,700
to have, you're always going to end up

2195
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:37,200
with these weird things that, that, um, developed

2196
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,900
that plugins, especially WordPress plugins, they want to

2197
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:42,920
take over the whole joint and act like

2198
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,460
they're the only thing in the whole server.

2199
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:50,580
And, uh, so what, yeah, I'm laughing.

2200
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:51,860
It's so true.

2201
01:22:52,340 --> 01:22:53,860
I own this place.

2202
01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:54,940
I'm a plugin.

2203
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,360
It's like calm down plugin.

2204
01:22:59,380 --> 01:23:03,140
Um, so when, what the, what the Godcaster

2205
01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:06,360
player does is it loads, it's a, it

2206
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,900
loads itself in the main UI first, but

2207
01:23:10,900 --> 01:23:13,160
then it needs, it has two other sections.

2208
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:14,540
It has two other parts to it.

2209
01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:17,660
It's got a footer audio bar that goes

2210
01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:19,740
at the bottom that's anchored to the bottom

2211
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:20,660
of the viewport.

2212
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,820
And then it's, and that thing needs to

2213
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:26,180
have a Z index that's higher than every

2214
01:23:26,180 --> 01:23:27,720
other content on the page.

2215
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:30,240
And then it's also got a couple of

2216
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:31,400
pop-up modals.

2217
01:23:31,780 --> 01:23:35,400
One is for fault to follow the player's

2218
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,180
feed in a, in a podcast app.

2219
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,400
And the other one is to share the,

2220
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,040
an episode to social media or whatever.

2221
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,260
So those need to be full screen models

2222
01:23:45,260 --> 01:23:47,340
with a Z index at the, at the

2223
01:23:47,340 --> 01:23:49,380
very front above everything else as well.

2224
01:23:50,580 --> 01:23:54,960
So when the main UI loads now, what

2225
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:59,960
it does is it's is it sticks itself

2226
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:02,360
into a shadow DOM.

2227
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,040
Now, when I'm saying shadow DOM, I don't

2228
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,520
mean web components because I'm not using web

2229
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:08,060
components.

2230
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:10,020
We don't really need a whip.

2231
01:24:10,140 --> 01:24:12,100
We, this is not, that's not necessary for

2232
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:15,220
what we're doing because we're not having, this

2233
01:24:15,220 --> 01:24:16,580
is just a single player on a single

2234
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:16,920
page.

2235
01:24:17,060 --> 01:24:19,980
We don't, we're not repeating HTML over and

2236
01:24:19,980 --> 01:24:20,200
over.

2237
01:24:20,540 --> 01:24:20,640
Right?

2238
01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:22,740
So we're not using web components.

2239
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,860
We're just using the shadow DOM portion.

2240
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:29,080
And so you create a, you create a

2241
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,700
shadow DOM node where the UI would have

2242
01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:32,120
been.

2243
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,360
Then you stick the HTML into that shadow

2244
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,840
DOM node, and that hides it from the

2245
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,920
rest of the, of the browser DOM.

2246
01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:47,180
It is essentially invisible to everything in the

2247
01:24:47,180 --> 01:24:49,620
normal document object model.

2248
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:53,460
That's good because then you can stick a

2249
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:57,680
style tag into that shadow DOM node as

2250
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,480
a child and it affects only your HTML

2251
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:01,960
and nothing else on the page.

2252
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,760
So now you've isolated your HTML from any

2253
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,740
styles up in the normal DOM.

2254
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:11,740
And you've also isolated your styles from screwing

2255
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:13,660
up anything on the hosting page.

2256
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:20,080
The problem though, is that because we have,

2257
01:25:20,820 --> 01:25:22,480
as soon as you do that, as soon

2258
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:24,660
as you stick your HTML into a shadow

2259
01:25:24,660 --> 01:25:28,280
DOM node, it's now no longer accessible.

2260
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:33,120
If you just reference it using document dot

2261
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:39,320
something, which is very common JavaScript syntax, because

2262
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,500
what you're saying, it's now no longer visible

2263
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:42,280
to the document.

2264
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,920
So if you say document, it's going to

2265
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,740
say, I don't know, this thing's not here.

2266
01:25:48,140 --> 01:25:50,640
So if you do something like document dot

2267
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:55,720
get element by ID and reference part of

2268
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,200
your HTML, it's just not going to find

2269
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:58,380
it.

2270
01:25:59,300 --> 01:26:00,840
So what you have to do is you

2271
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,640
have to hook those things.

2272
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,100
You essentially have to create another function that's

2273
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:11,940
called something like find element by ID.

2274
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:16,900
And now you call that to get your

2275
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:19,280
element ID, which in turn calls get element

2276
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,980
document dot get element by ID.

2277
01:26:21,140 --> 01:26:23,120
If it doesn't find that it calls into

2278
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:24,780
your shadow DOM for that ID.

2279
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:26,520
If it doesn't find that it calls into

2280
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,600
the other shadow DOM for the audio footer.

2281
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,380
If it doesn't find that it calls into

2282
01:26:30,380 --> 01:26:32,120
the modal shadow DOM.

2283
01:26:32,340 --> 01:26:35,020
So you're, you're like, you have a function

2284
01:26:35,020 --> 01:26:36,840
that looks for this thing everywhere.

2285
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,340
And if it finally finds it, then it

2286
01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:40,620
gives that back to you.

2287
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:41,140
Yeah.

2288
01:26:41,380 --> 01:26:43,320
Again, these aren't, this is not, none of

2289
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,760
this is like the end of the world,

2290
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:51,520
but it's, yeah, it is just, it's just

2291
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,360
complicated enough to where there's lots of stuff

2292
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,480
that could go wrong.

2293
01:26:57,420 --> 01:27:00,240
So, you know, as of today, it is

2294
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:01,060
mostly working.

2295
01:27:01,420 --> 01:27:03,960
I haven't, I'm not seeing any more bugs,

2296
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,160
but I know there's some there.

2297
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,780
I just have to find, I just have

2298
01:27:07,780 --> 01:27:09,280
to keep pounding this thing for a while

2299
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,860
and find them because there's a lot that

2300
01:27:11,860 --> 01:27:12,320
could go wrong.

2301
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:15,680
Also top level event listeners.

2302
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,220
Uh, so if you have an event listener

2303
01:27:18,220 --> 01:27:20,620
in the page, uh, I figured that out

2304
01:27:20,620 --> 01:27:23,820
yesterday that has, see, I had an, I

2305
01:27:23,820 --> 01:27:26,300
had an event listener for a click handler

2306
01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:29,700
and it was just doing nothing to close

2307
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:31,140
to dismiss a modal.

2308
01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:34,860
Also the, you know, so, uh, document observers,

2309
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:36,660
none of those things work.

2310
01:27:37,060 --> 01:27:40,060
You have to customize every one of them

2311
01:27:40,060 --> 01:27:43,640
to find your now hidden elements there in

2312
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,060
the shadow dom isolated containers.

2313
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:49,160
So we, we're, we're getting there.

2314
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:51,300
It's just, this is a complex app.

2315
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:52,820
And if it was written from the beginning

2316
01:27:52,820 --> 01:27:54,180
to do this, there would, this wouldn't be

2317
01:27:54,180 --> 01:27:54,620
a problem.

2318
01:27:54,620 --> 01:27:57,300
But having to do this transition, that's been,

2319
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,620
that's been annoying, but we'll get there.

2320
01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:03,440
Let's thank some people as we're getting towards

2321
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:04,400
our time here.

2322
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,840
And I'll give you the live booster grams

2323
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:08,920
as they have been coming in.

2324
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,520
Thank you all very much for supporting us.

2325
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:11,660
We are value for value.

2326
01:28:11,660 --> 01:28:13,840
This supports the entire index project.

2327
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,620
1111 from salty crayon.

2328
01:28:16,180 --> 01:28:16,900
Howdy boardroom.

2329
01:28:16,980 --> 01:28:18,020
He says, it's been a while.

2330
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,000
Just kicking the rust off the Jason juice

2331
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,120
and the ping pongs go podcasting.

2332
01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:24,900
And he's coming in for podcast guru coming

2333
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:26,220
in from true fans.

2334
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,960
It's a Martin Linda's cog 1776 freedom boost.

2335
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:31,560
I am a pagan podcaster.

2336
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,660
Please listen to episode 97 of the secular

2337
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:36,340
Fox hole.

2338
01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:38,480
We are graced with the presence of philosophy

2339
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:41,660
professor Andrew Bernstein, who is now venturing into

2340
01:28:41,660 --> 01:28:42,740
detective fiction.

2341
01:28:43,220 --> 01:28:46,880
Best premises says Martin Linda's coke, 5,000

2342
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:51,240
sats from a NA millennial from a fountain.

2343
01:28:51,620 --> 01:28:53,120
Dave is quicker than AI.

2344
01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:55,440
What's his monthly subscription fee.

2345
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:56,680
That's a good question.

2346
01:28:56,940 --> 01:28:57,560
Oh, I'm cheap.

2347
01:28:57,660 --> 01:28:58,180
I will pay.

2348
01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:02,320
I'll pay whatever at this point, a Lyceum.

2349
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:04,320
Well, that's a Martin Linda's code.

2350
01:29:04,380 --> 01:29:04,480
Yeah.

2351
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,940
Now from a, from true fans, 1111 Dave,

2352
01:29:06,940 --> 01:29:10,180
an episode one 71 of buzz buzzcast during

2353
01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:13,800
chapter podcast by 90 plus year olds gaining

2354
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:14,520
popularity.

2355
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:15,860
That's the chapter name.

2356
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,760
They coined the word sad Sage cast.

2357
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:20,860
They didn't coin anything.

2358
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:21,860
They stole it.

2359
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:24,960
What is it?

2360
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:25,700
What is it?

2361
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:27,120
I don't know.

2362
01:29:27,340 --> 01:29:28,520
Sage, Sage cast.

2363
01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:29,560
I know.

2364
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:30,260
We know what it is.

2365
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:31,500
It's anything you do.

2366
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:32,460
That's right.

2367
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:32,740
Yeah.

2368
01:29:32,740 --> 01:29:35,560
Cole McCormick on a fountain, 1111, the Bitcoin

2369
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,620
and Nostra purists are not helping V for

2370
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:39,060
V or podcasting at large.

2371
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,180
In my opinion with institutions and Trump going

2372
01:29:42,180 --> 01:29:44,180
forward with quote, Bitcoin is gold.

2373
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:46,560
There needs to be innovation with making Bitcoin

2374
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,140
the currency easy to access and use for

2375
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:51,600
my grandmother or Jean's mom.

2376
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:52,700
May she rest in peace.

2377
01:29:53,060 --> 01:29:54,700
But no one wants to budge in their

2378
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:55,500
tech dogma.

2379
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,240
Jack spoke about this in January on the

2380
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:59,680
Citadel dispatch podcast.

2381
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:00,900
Hmm.

2382
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,680
I have to go see what Jack said.

2383
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,600
Another Lyceum 1701.

2384
01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:08,420
Here's an example of the magic of finding

2385
01:30:08,420 --> 01:30:10,280
a new podcast and look at pod homes,

2386
01:30:10,420 --> 01:30:13,480
podcasts that we host page and found a

2387
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:15,760
trailer for an upcoming new podcast called trust

2388
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:16,280
revolution.

2389
01:30:16,420 --> 01:30:18,640
I think you'll enjoy episode one with guest

2390
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,540
John Rob, a former special ops officer turned

2391
01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:22,280
tech visionary.

2392
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,080
I know John Rob personally actually.

2393
01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:27,340
Yeah, I do.

2394
01:30:27,340 --> 01:30:28,040
Is he a visionary?

2395
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:29,660
I don't think so.

2396
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:34,500
Um, no, and I don't know if he's

2397
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:35,800
much, he was, I don't know if he's

2398
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,220
a special ops guy.

2399
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,660
He definitely was a, he was definitely in

2400
01:30:39,660 --> 01:30:40,340
the DIA.

2401
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:41,800
I don't know about special ops.

2402
01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:45,280
And Martin Lindeskog is just vomiting all over

2403
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:45,780
the place.

2404
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,340
Uh, actually he sent that three times.

2405
01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:48,740
Thank you.

2406
01:30:48,820 --> 01:30:50,020
Three times, 1701.

2407
01:30:50,260 --> 01:30:52,900
It's the same boost, uh, three, three, three,

2408
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,000
three from ACE Ackerman.

2409
01:30:54,140 --> 01:30:55,160
Oh, wait, that's from no agenda.

2410
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:55,560
Sorry.

2411
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:57,400
Uh, Sam, here we go.

2412
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,160
4219 from true fans.

2413
01:30:59,240 --> 01:30:59,680
Welcome back.

2414
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,640
Gents Friday night, restored red wine in hand

2415
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:03,500
and geek chat.

2416
01:31:04,340 --> 01:31:05,200
Thank you, Sam.

2417
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,340
And, uh, there's salty crayon with one, two,

2418
01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:10,200
three, uh, coming from Curio casters, salty sage

2419
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,300
signal confirmed, which means you came into the

2420
01:31:13,300 --> 01:31:15,260
Dave has entered the chat and we started

2421
01:31:15,260 --> 01:31:15,660
the show.

2422
01:31:15,700 --> 01:31:16,900
Thank you all very much for these live

2423
01:31:16,900 --> 01:31:17,540
boosts.

2424
01:31:17,540 --> 01:31:19,780
And we have quite a few people to

2425
01:31:19,780 --> 01:31:22,040
thank for the last couple of weeks of,

2426
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:24,140
uh, PayPal's and boosts.

2427
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,860
Uh, Dave, hopefully your scripts, uh, spewed them

2428
01:31:26,860 --> 01:31:27,620
out for us.

2429
01:31:27,780 --> 01:31:29,500
It did spew a lot of them out.

2430
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:30,900
So we've got quite a few here and

2431
01:31:30,900 --> 01:31:32,840
I'm going, I'm going through these in order.

2432
01:31:32,900 --> 01:31:34,420
I did, I did not break out the

2433
01:31:34,420 --> 01:31:34,700
monthly.

2434
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,000
So I'm just reading them all together.

2435
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,600
The, um, uh, Eric, PP said grandma still

2436
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:40,400
uses checks.

2437
01:31:41,060 --> 01:31:41,880
Yeah, totally.

2438
01:31:42,140 --> 01:31:42,300
Yeah.

2439
01:31:43,340 --> 01:31:46,700
By the way, the no agenda show takes

2440
01:31:46,700 --> 01:31:49,700
checks and we love checks and we get

2441
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:52,900
a huge pile of checks.

2442
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:54,360
Every single show.

2443
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:55,520
Almost.

2444
01:31:55,980 --> 01:31:57,860
Well, it costs 15 cents for the bank

2445
01:31:57,860 --> 01:31:58,660
to process it.

2446
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,660
And I remember when we got this bank,

2447
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,640
uh, it's, um, they've changed names now mechanics

2448
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,620
bank in California, which is, it's like a

2449
01:32:07,620 --> 01:32:08,720
gangster bank, I guess.

2450
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:09,140
I don't know.

2451
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:09,840
It's sweet.

2452
01:32:10,180 --> 01:32:10,480
Yeah.

2453
01:32:10,980 --> 01:32:14,200
Um, and so before I would show up

2454
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,040
this pile of checks, you know, like $5,

2455
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,120
$3 and 33 cents.

2456
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,020
Like they didn't know what to do with

2457
01:32:21,020 --> 01:32:21,600
it.

2458
01:32:23,860 --> 01:32:26,160
So we have, he has, he has a

2459
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,640
special person who knows he's coming in every

2460
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,360
two weeks and then dump this pile of,

2461
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,220
uh, checks under $10 and they just process

2462
01:32:34,220 --> 01:32:34,480
them.

2463
01:32:34,580 --> 01:32:35,880
They do it, but they charge us 15

2464
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,740
cents, but still that's less than a PayPal.

2465
01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:39,540
Less than any other.

2466
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:40,680
I thought he was a drug dealer.

2467
01:32:41,060 --> 01:32:42,520
No, they know he's a drug dealer.

2468
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:43,980
Just don't know what kind of drugs he's

2469
01:32:43,980 --> 01:32:44,380
selling.

2470
01:32:44,380 --> 01:32:49,500
Um, booberry 17, seven 76 through the boost

2471
01:32:49,500 --> 01:32:50,180
CLI.

2472
01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:52,480
Oh, I liked the boost CLI bits plus

2473
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:54,020
plus and baubles plus plus.

2474
01:32:54,260 --> 01:32:54,780
Nice.

2475
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,540
Um, Darren O 55 55 through podverse.

2476
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,560
He says, uh, if podcasting was all about

2477
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,160
money, unrelenting wouldn't exist.

2478
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:02,620
Go podcasting.

2479
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,360
Go podcasting is true.

2480
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:05,940
Salty crayon.

2481
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,200
This goes way back to April 4th by

2482
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:08,460
the way.

2483
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:10,920
We've been gone for a while.

2484
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:11,240
Yeah.

2485
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,060
Uh, 1217 through podcast gurus, V for V

2486
01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:17,180
still works for podcasting 2.0. Everyone else

2487
01:33:17,180 --> 01:33:19,240
says that it's dead quit and went over

2488
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:20,280
to YouTube to be a show.

2489
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:20,700
Good luck.

2490
01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:24,780
Jabroni's exactly.

2491
01:33:24,780 --> 01:33:25,920
Good luck with that.

2492
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:30,160
Bruce, the ugly quacking duck 22 22 through

2493
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,360
podcast guru says, really great discussion.

2494
01:33:32,420 --> 01:33:33,220
Thanks for the episode.

2495
01:33:33,860 --> 01:33:37,700
73s, 73s, Kilo five alpha Charlie, Charlie's see

2496
01:33:37,700 --> 01:33:39,600
loss on Linux 22 22 through fountain.

2497
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,980
He says podcasting 2.0. What a failure.

2498
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:43,200
Number one directory.

2499
01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:46,480
There's so many higher numbers than one and

2500
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:47,000
three.

2501
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:49,120
Yeah.

2502
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,120
Notice there were no articles about that.

2503
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:54,440
Yeah, there was no followups.

2504
01:33:54,620 --> 01:33:56,140
No, nothing, nothing.

2505
01:33:56,260 --> 01:33:58,340
Number one directory, but yeah, whatever.

2506
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,640
See loss on Linux again, 22 22 through

2507
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:01,860
fountain.

2508
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,660
He says the death of PHP has been

2509
01:34:03,660 --> 01:34:04,580
proclaimed forever.

2510
01:34:04,580 --> 01:34:05,060
Yes.

2511
01:34:05,620 --> 01:34:07,900
And yet PHP kept getting updated and is

2512
01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:10,780
actually getting really nice, especially with Laravel PHP

2513
01:34:10,780 --> 01:34:11,760
and larval 11.

2514
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:12,480
Very nice.

2515
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,280
I think they have larval 12 now.

2516
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:15,620
No idea what changed.

2517
01:34:16,220 --> 01:34:19,220
I don't think a whole lot changed starter

2518
01:34:19,220 --> 01:34:19,580
kits.

2519
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:20,420
That's what changed.

2520
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,820
But yeah, PHP eight and larval 11.

2521
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,300
Oh, it's just an absolute joy.

2522
01:34:25,460 --> 01:34:28,020
Oh, I'm glad you like it.

2523
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,660
I'll ask Manus to do my script in

2524
01:34:30,660 --> 01:34:31,160
that.

2525
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:33,600
Can you please do this in Laravel and

2526
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:34,060
PHP?

2527
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:35,380
Yeah.

2528
01:34:35,380 --> 01:34:35,500
Yeah.

2529
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:37,560
It's so nice to work in that framework.

2530
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,540
1701 from Archie, SourceD.

2531
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,560
He says stats for backend talk.

2532
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:47,500
Please start with the hot aisle.

2533
01:34:48,020 --> 01:34:48,920
Hot aisle.

2534
01:34:49,180 --> 01:34:51,180
That's a data center reference for nobody.

2535
01:34:52,620 --> 01:34:53,980
Hot aisles and cool aisles.

2536
01:34:54,220 --> 01:34:54,320
Yeah.

2537
01:34:55,940 --> 01:34:58,300
Archie, I will talk about the backend stuff

2538
01:34:58,300 --> 01:34:59,620
next week.

2539
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,300
We had such a long, we had two

2540
01:35:02,300 --> 01:35:04,000
weeks off, so we had stuff to talk

2541
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:04,180
about.

2542
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,500
Archie wants me to talk about the way

2543
01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:09,080
the backend is constructed for podcast.

2544
01:35:09,220 --> 01:35:09,720
Oh yeah.

2545
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:09,860
Yeah.

2546
01:35:09,860 --> 01:35:10,660
I saw that come in.

2547
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:10,840
Yeah.

2548
01:35:11,060 --> 01:35:11,240
Yeah.

2549
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:12,540
I'll talk about that next week.

2550
01:35:12,540 --> 01:35:12,920
I promise.

2551
01:35:14,300 --> 01:35:17,200
Cameron 3333 through podcast index website.

2552
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:17,560
Wow.

2553
01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:21,700
IPFS Cameron providing notifications for broken umbral nodes

2554
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:22,480
since 2021.

2555
01:35:25,020 --> 01:35:26,160
Hey, I got mine.

2556
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:26,760
I got mine.

2557
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:29,400
But start nine is working great.

2558
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,540
God bless the start nine people, man.

2559
01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:32,920
They are so cautious.

2560
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:34,180
They are so careful.

2561
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:36,660
Uh, my umbral never came back to life

2562
01:35:36,660 --> 01:35:37,040
properly.

2563
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:38,000
I gave up on it.

2564
01:35:38,740 --> 01:35:39,760
Did you lose anything?

2565
01:35:40,140 --> 01:35:43,380
No, but you know, the, the stats just

2566
01:35:43,380 --> 01:35:44,340
go back to the wallet.

2567
01:35:44,460 --> 01:35:46,240
So I have the, I have the word

2568
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,720
so I can just spin that up whenever

2569
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,400
I just got to go get my, go

2570
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,360
get it from the word vault and then

2571
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:53,740
I can get the stats and they, they

2572
01:35:53,740 --> 01:35:54,360
all come back.

2573
01:35:54,460 --> 01:35:56,100
But now I gave up on it.

2574
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,540
It was just too iffy.

2575
01:35:58,300 --> 01:35:59,920
It was just, it would just blow up

2576
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:01,720
every couple of months and just stop.

2577
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:03,720
And then, you know, I don't want to

2578
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:04,300
get into it.

2579
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:05,120
It was horrible.

2580
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:06,300
Don't get into it.

2581
01:36:06,420 --> 01:36:07,640
No, I won't.

2582
01:36:07,700 --> 01:36:09,040
Not going to twist my arm, but I'm

2583
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:09,880
not getting into it.

2584
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,240
Thank you Cameron for being the uptime service.

2585
01:36:13,420 --> 01:36:13,740
We all need.

2586
01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:14,080
Yes.

2587
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,000
If anything, he's an uptime service.

2588
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:19,860
You know, the IPFS, which a void zero

2589
01:36:19,860 --> 01:36:21,980
runs that over at the no agenda infrastructure.

2590
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,240
Uh, it, it got so busy with boosts.

2591
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,620
I think during Darren show that it just,

2592
01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:30,820
it just flooded the memory of the machines.

2593
01:36:30,980 --> 01:36:32,800
And then the whole stream quit and everything

2594
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,160
was like, Holy cow.

2595
01:36:34,380 --> 01:36:34,740
Yeah.

2596
01:36:34,900 --> 01:36:35,160
Yeah.

2597
01:36:35,420 --> 01:36:35,600
Yeah.

2598
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:36,680
IPFS.

2599
01:36:36,700 --> 01:36:36,800
Wow.

2600
01:36:36,820 --> 01:36:37,280
That's weird.

2601
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:39,320
IPFS man is beautiful.

2602
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:41,460
And then he got a notification.

2603
01:36:41,620 --> 01:36:42,300
Your note is down.

2604
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:42,520
Yeah.

2605
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:43,080
No kidding.

2606
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:44,320
Yeah.

2607
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:45,120
Oh really?

2608
01:36:45,420 --> 01:36:45,720
Thanks.

2609
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,160
Uh, Kyron from mere mortals, uh, satchel Richards

2610
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:50,480
one, one, one, one, the fountain.

2611
01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:52,080
He says, finally have caught up to the

2612
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:52,760
latest episode.

2613
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:54,000
Open source is tricky.

2614
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:55,800
It seems like you need just as much

2615
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,020
people skills and equanimity as actual coding talent.

2616
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:00,180
Lucky we have both.

2617
01:37:01,100 --> 01:37:01,500
That's right.

2618
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:03,560
I would agree with that.

2619
01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:03,880
Yeah.

2620
01:37:04,660 --> 01:37:04,900
Yeah.

2621
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,740
It's open source is only half coding.

2622
01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:08,880
The rest is politics.

2623
01:37:09,540 --> 01:37:09,640
Right.

2624
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:12,180
Um, and relationships.

2625
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:12,880
Good point.

2626
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:18,120
Seth 3547 through true fans.

2627
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:19,880
He says, I love what you, I love

2628
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,060
that you had Matt on the show.

2629
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:22,360
He's seriously smart.

2630
01:37:23,780 --> 01:37:25,240
The international troublemaker.

2631
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:25,800
That's right.

2632
01:37:27,780 --> 01:37:30,300
Uh, we got through fountain, we got 3000

2633
01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:32,840
sats from user three, three, seven, seven, eight,

2634
01:37:32,980 --> 01:37:34,520
two, one, seven, four, one, four, five, two,

2635
01:37:34,580 --> 01:37:34,740
eight.

2636
01:37:34,940 --> 01:37:35,260
Thank you.

2637
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:36,240
Change your username.

2638
01:37:36,660 --> 01:37:37,020
Yeah.

2639
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:37,980
And he says, thank you.

2640
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:40,620
He or she says, thank you for all

2641
01:37:40,620 --> 01:37:41,540
your work and dedication.

2642
01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:43,340
You guys help so many and you keep

2643
01:37:43,340 --> 01:37:44,240
freedom alive.

2644
01:37:44,580 --> 01:37:45,120
That's right.

2645
01:37:45,220 --> 01:37:47,940
Well, we try and try, uh, Carl 6

2646
01:37:47,940 --> 01:37:48,900
,007.

2647
01:37:49,220 --> 01:37:50,900
There's a guy that changed his username through

2648
01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:52,940
fountain 5,000 sats.

2649
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,520
He says, I can't for, I think he

2650
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:56,280
means I can't wait.

2651
01:37:56,700 --> 01:37:59,020
I can't wait for Dave's audio narration edition

2652
01:37:59,020 --> 01:38:01,340
of his live events and podcasting apps, blog

2653
01:38:01,340 --> 01:38:01,740
posts.

2654
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,220
Actually I have, I recorded that maybe three

2655
01:38:05,220 --> 01:38:05,700
days ago.

2656
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:06,880
I just got to edit and stick it

2657
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:07,140
up.

2658
01:38:07,620 --> 01:38:08,100
Yeah.

2659
01:38:08,380 --> 01:38:08,800
It's coming.

2660
01:38:10,180 --> 01:38:12,600
Uh, Ooh, that's a support request.

2661
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:13,300
That's not going to work.

2662
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,120
Oh, we got the delimiter.

2663
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,680
Commissure blogger 18,180 sats through fountain.

2664
01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:22,640
He says, howdy fellow audio engineering fans, Adam

2665
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:23,100
and Dave.

2666
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:25,940
I'd like to invite your audience to subscribe

2667
01:38:25,940 --> 01:38:29,700
to two video podcasts available also as audio

2668
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:32,260
only podcasts by band drew, which you can

2669
01:38:32,260 --> 01:38:35,080
find on YouTube and podcast directories by searching

2670
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,740
for podcast edge and band drew says podcast.

2671
01:38:38,860 --> 01:38:41,980
First one is a microphone review channel with

2672
01:38:41,980 --> 01:38:45,140
335,000 subscribers on YouTube.

2673
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:49,020
Second is his personal soliloquy podcast, both a

2674
01:38:49,020 --> 01:38:51,100
delight for audio engineering fans.

2675
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:51,980
Yo CSB.

2676
01:38:52,660 --> 01:38:55,260
It's funny that the guy who is always

2677
01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:59,380
talking about and promoting bandrews microphone podcast doesn't

2678
01:38:59,380 --> 01:39:01,060
actually use a microphone for anything.

2679
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,040
I've never thought about it that way.

2680
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:05,420
He never uses a mic.

2681
01:39:05,900 --> 01:39:07,740
At least not his voice to be heard.

2682
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:08,900
Not for anything public.

2683
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:12,220
The late to entrant boosts from Steven B

2684
01:39:12,220 --> 01:39:15,180
5,000 sats and that is coming in

2685
01:39:15,180 --> 01:39:18,060
from the split kit nickel dime quarter five,

2686
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:18,940
10, 25.

2687
01:39:19,220 --> 01:39:21,020
My man boobery will be showing what is

2688
01:39:21,020 --> 01:39:22,320
possible with a live show.

2689
01:39:22,460 --> 01:39:24,500
You'll want to check out his satellite showcase

2690
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:25,520
musical extravaganza.

2691
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,520
That's a may 10th.

2692
01:39:31,260 --> 01:39:33,880
Hopefully that's a Sunday so we can promote

2693
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:34,740
it on no agenda.

2694
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:35,580
Oh yeah.

2695
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:37,100
Darren O said you need to send band

2696
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:38,000
drew a curry one.

2697
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:39,020
Yeah.

2698
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:40,220
Good luck with that.

2699
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:43,500
One day, one day, five.

2700
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:44,240
Yeah, it's a Sunday.

2701
01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:45,000
Okay, good.

2702
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:46,100
Sunday.

2703
01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:46,440
Yeah.

2704
01:39:46,820 --> 01:39:47,640
No, it's a Saturday.

2705
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:48,960
Five, seven, 25.

2706
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:49,280
Yeah.

2707
01:39:49,300 --> 01:39:49,500
Okay.

2708
01:39:49,660 --> 01:39:50,180
All right.

2709
01:39:50,900 --> 01:39:52,480
Uh, we got some PayPal's there.

2710
01:39:52,620 --> 01:39:53,700
These are all mixed in together.

2711
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:55,800
Uh, Randy black sent us $10.

2712
01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:56,540
Thank you, Randy.

2713
01:39:56,700 --> 01:39:57,340
Appreciate you brother.

2714
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,900
Uh, Basil Phillip, $25 podverse.

2715
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,640
Speak of the devil podverse sent us 50

2716
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:03,000
bucks.

2717
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:03,700
Thank you.

2718
01:40:03,740 --> 01:40:04,140
Podverse.

2719
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,900
Uh, Lauren ball, $24 20 cents.

2720
01:40:07,380 --> 01:40:08,340
Mitch Downey over there.

2721
01:40:08,460 --> 01:40:09,540
Podverse $10.

2722
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:13,440
Uh, Christopher Harbark $10.

2723
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:15,740
Let's see.

2724
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:16,840
Terry Keller, $5.

2725
01:40:17,500 --> 01:40:19,220
Silicone florist, $10.

2726
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:21,300
Chris Cowan, $5.

2727
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,980
Paul Saltzman, $22 and 22 cents.

2728
01:40:25,180 --> 01:40:25,660
Thank you, Paul.

2729
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:27,780
Damon Casajak, $15.

2730
01:40:28,180 --> 01:40:28,620
Thank you, Damon.

2731
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:29,820
Uh, Derek J.

2732
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:31,840
Viscar, the best name in podcasting, $21.

2733
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,560
Uh, Jeremy Gerds, $5.

2734
01:40:35,620 --> 01:40:39,560
And we got, Oh, Alexander Beatty sent $200.

2735
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:40,480
Whoa.

2736
01:40:40,780 --> 01:40:41,700
Hold on a second.

2737
01:40:46,820 --> 01:40:47,700
Thank you.

2738
01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:48,620
Lovely.

2739
01:40:50,440 --> 01:40:53,540
He said, Dave, apparently to get your attention,

2740
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,720
I have to donate to podcasting 2.0.

2741
01:40:55,740 --> 01:40:56,660
Hey, that helps.

2742
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:57,080
It works.

2743
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:59,020
It worked.

2744
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,620
Well, last month you brought up a philosophy

2745
01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:03,640
book that reminded me of my favorite philosophy

2746
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:04,060
book.

2747
01:41:04,380 --> 01:41:05,620
And I sent you a link to the

2748
01:41:05,620 --> 01:41:07,780
audio book in my mega NZ drive.

2749
01:41:08,340 --> 01:41:10,220
Here is the DM that I sent you

2750
01:41:10,220 --> 01:41:11,820
on podcast index social.

2751
01:41:12,620 --> 01:41:15,440
Uh, so the, yeah.

2752
01:41:15,460 --> 01:41:16,780
And he's, he gives his DM.

2753
01:41:16,860 --> 01:41:17,680
I don't know if he wants me to

2754
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:21,400
read that, but, um, he slid, he slid

2755
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:22,800
into your DMS, baby.

2756
01:41:23,620 --> 01:41:27,920
I think I saw this and wasn't exactly

2757
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:31,340
sure what it was because things with mega

2758
01:41:31,340 --> 01:41:32,680
links scare me.

2759
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,780
Uh, yeah, I'm not a big fan of

2760
01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:36,460
the mega links.

2761
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,100
I'm so risk averse from getting fished by

2762
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:40,420
things.

2763
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,580
I think I remember seeing that and kind

2764
01:41:42,580 --> 01:41:45,000
of like being afraid of it.

2765
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,540
Send it back to me.

2766
01:41:50,620 --> 01:41:52,460
Um, Alex, Alexander, thank you.

2767
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:53,280
I appreciate you.

2768
01:41:53,780 --> 01:41:54,660
And, uh, and I'll check.

2769
01:41:54,740 --> 01:41:56,020
I'll know it's, I'll know what it is

2770
01:41:56,020 --> 01:41:56,420
this time.

2771
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:58,980
And I'll, uh, he said he really enjoyed

2772
01:41:58,980 --> 01:42:00,600
hearing about the technical side of the project

2773
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:01,600
as an iOS developer.

2774
01:42:01,900 --> 01:42:03,720
And, uh, cool.

2775
01:42:04,060 --> 01:42:04,360
Thank you.

2776
01:42:04,420 --> 01:42:05,480
Appreciate your donation.

2777
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:09,000
And let's see, we got, uh, Gene Liverman,

2778
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:10,440
$5.

2779
01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:11,460
Thank you, Gene.

2780
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:12,260
Appreciate your brother.

2781
01:42:12,540 --> 01:42:14,040
Uh, new media productions.

2782
01:42:14,340 --> 01:42:15,500
That's, uh, Todd Todd.

2783
01:42:15,620 --> 01:42:16,000
That's Todd.

2784
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:16,320
Yep.

2785
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:17,000
$30.

2786
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:17,800
Thank you, Todd.

2787
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,560
Michael, Michael Hall, $5 and 50 cents.

2788
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:21,880
Timothy voice, $10.

2789
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:26,000
Um, Oh, bus route, $1,000.

2790
01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:26,800
Boom.

2791
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:32,520
Keeping it alive.

2792
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:33,880
Thank you so much brothers.

2793
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:35,360
Appreciate that so much.

2794
01:42:35,980 --> 01:42:37,020
Paying my taxes.

2795
01:42:37,180 --> 01:42:37,640
Thank you.

2796
01:42:38,300 --> 01:42:38,780
Yes.

2797
01:42:39,220 --> 01:42:41,200
The taxes on money we don't get.

2798
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:42,560
Yes, exactly.

2799
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,820
That's the funniest part of being an LLC

2800
01:42:44,820 --> 01:42:47,240
is you pay taxes over money.

2801
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:48,160
You don't get his own.

2802
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:48,460
Yeah.

2803
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:49,720
For money you don't have.

2804
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:51,080
He's like, okay, great.

2805
01:42:52,300 --> 01:42:55,060
Uh, well, he steamed bear $5.

2806
01:42:55,460 --> 01:42:56,060
Thank you.

2807
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,740
Westin Jorge Hernandez, $5.

2808
01:42:58,860 --> 01:43:00,440
Michael Goggin, $5.

2809
01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:03,620
Uh, Oh, Rob, that's blueberry.

2810
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:05,320
$300.

2811
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,320
Thank you boys and girls over there.

2812
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:12,820
Blueberry.

2813
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:14,320
Thank you for keeping us alive.

2814
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:16,800
Hey gents, Todd here from blueberry.

2815
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:19,060
If there is one thing we would love,

2816
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,040
uh, it's like an ultimate change log for

2817
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,380
updates and changes to tags, et cetera.

2818
01:43:25,980 --> 01:43:27,520
I know there are not enough hours in

2819
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:28,940
the day, but if someone is doing this,

2820
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:29,480
let us know.

2821
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:30,640
I am doing this Todd.

2822
01:43:31,460 --> 01:43:35,500
So, um, if you, Todd, if you look,

2823
01:43:36,260 --> 01:43:41,940
uh, let me get over here to the

2824
01:43:41,940 --> 01:43:42,760
namespace.

2825
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:43,500
Okay.

2826
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,200
I'm going to the discussions.

2827
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,540
I'm going to find this for you right

2828
01:43:48,540 --> 01:43:49,120
now.

2829
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,540
Uh, this changes made.

2830
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:52,840
Okay.

2831
01:43:52,900 --> 01:43:55,260
So if you go to the podcast namespace

2832
01:43:55,260 --> 01:43:58,220
on get hub and go to announcements, category

2833
01:43:58,220 --> 01:44:03,820
slash, uh, changes made, uh, the announcement changes

2834
01:44:03,820 --> 01:44:07,280
made every time I make a change, I

2835
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,260
add a note to this thread.

2836
01:44:10,660 --> 01:44:11,640
Well, there you go.

2837
01:44:12,300 --> 01:44:13,960
So that's, that's what y'all need.

2838
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,360
If y'all just mock, if y'all

2839
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:17,760
just take a look at that thread or

2840
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:19,960
keep it, keep an eye on that discussion

2841
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:20,440
group.

2842
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,720
Anytime I make a change, I will, I

2843
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:23,720
will document it there.

2844
01:44:24,420 --> 01:44:27,840
If, if that doesn't work and you think

2845
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,840
there's a better way, somebody tell me, um,

2846
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,220
but I, that's what I have been doing.

2847
01:44:33,380 --> 01:44:34,260
So yeah.

2848
01:44:34,260 --> 01:44:35,600
Tell me if that doesn't work for you.

2849
01:44:35,620 --> 01:44:35,800
Okay.

2850
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:36,020
Todd.

2851
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:42,400
Uh, and Cone Glotzbach $5, James Sullivan, $10,

2852
01:44:42,660 --> 01:44:46,240
Christopher Raymer $10, Jordan Dunville, $10.

2853
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:47,020
And that's our group.

2854
01:44:47,660 --> 01:44:48,880
Beautiful group indeed.

2855
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:50,240
Is that everything we got at all?

2856
01:44:50,300 --> 01:44:50,860
It's all done.

2857
01:44:51,100 --> 01:44:51,540
That's it.

2858
01:44:51,620 --> 01:44:52,140
All right.

2859
01:44:52,140 --> 01:44:53,780
Thank you all so much for supporting the

2860
01:44:53,780 --> 01:44:56,900
podcast index and doing that through the podcasting

2861
01:44:56,900 --> 01:44:58,860
2.0, a weekly board meeting.

2862
01:44:58,860 --> 01:45:00,180
Sorry we missed two in a row.

2863
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:03,400
Um, that kind of sucked, but life got

2864
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:04,960
in the way of a lot of things.

2865
01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:06,160
I was traveling.

2866
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:06,820
Yeah.

2867
01:45:06,820 --> 01:45:07,560
Life and travel.

2868
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:07,960
Exactly.

2869
01:45:08,380 --> 01:45:10,260
Uh, so we will be back, uh, next

2870
01:45:10,260 --> 01:45:10,600
week.

2871
01:45:10,700 --> 01:45:12,360
Uh, brother Dave, you're going back to work.

2872
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,780
Uh, actually I'm going to an art show.

2873
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,540
My wife's having an art show.

2874
01:45:17,660 --> 01:45:18,920
Oh, she's not pretty.

2875
01:45:18,980 --> 01:45:20,260
She doesn't have art in the show.

2876
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:20,980
She's an art.

2877
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:23,660
Uh, she, this is through a connoisseur.

2878
01:45:23,940 --> 01:45:25,360
She's a connoisseur of art.

2879
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:28,020
She's a teacher, art teacher at the school.

2880
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:32,240
And so the, her, her classes are having

2881
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:33,420
art and art show.

2882
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:33,880
So nice.

2883
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:35,020
Oh, beautiful.

2884
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:36,900
All right, everybody boardroom.

2885
01:45:36,980 --> 01:45:38,220
Thank you so much for being here.

2886
01:45:38,300 --> 01:45:40,320
Uh, we've done a lot of podcasting 2

2887
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:41,120
.0 talk today.

2888
01:45:41,260 --> 01:45:41,960
Thank you very much.

2889
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:45,140
Remember to keep vibe coding.

2890
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:46,720
It'll keep you busy for the rest of

2891
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:47,000
the week.

2892
01:45:47,060 --> 01:45:49,260
We'll be back next week on Friday with

2893
01:45:49,260 --> 01:46:06,100
podcasting 2.0. You

2894
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:10,300
have been listening to podcasting 2.0. Visit

2895
01:46:10,300 --> 01:46:13,640
podcastindex.org for more information.

2896
01:46:14,700 --> 01:46:16,900
I own this place.

2897
01:46:17,140 --> 01:46:18,160
I'm a plug in.