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Podcasting 2.0 for January 31st, 2025, episode

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Pick your porthole.

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Oh yeah baby, it is Friday.

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It is time once again for the board

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meeting.

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It is podcasting 2.0 where we discuss

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everything happening with podcasting from a worldview that

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goes back over two decades.

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What's happening right now and we look into

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the future because I've got the pod sage

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with me.

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We are the only boardroom that keeps visual

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separation at all times.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who has a pod pin, web socket,

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end point just for you.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.

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Visual separation, you know it...

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Too soon, too soon, too soon, too soon.

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It tickled James Cridland to no end that

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we, when we were in that podcast movement

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together, we did the show, we did the

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boardroom from our own hotel rooms over clean

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feet.

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Yes, yeah, that was definitely visual separation.

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Yes, indeed.

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Yeah, it just doesn't work any other way.

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I can't stare at you and do the

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show.

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No.

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It's weird.

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Although I have to say, I have an

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upgrade to the studio.

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What is it?

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Well, we got a new bed, which was

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time because this was...

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In the studio?

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No, no, in our bedroom.

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What kind of show are you doing?

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This is Only Fans, right?

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I got webcams, I got tripods, it's all

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rocking and rolling, baby.

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A swing.

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I got to send you a picture.

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So we had...

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No, because it was actually my bed for

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my bachelor day.

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So there was always like, you know, we

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should probably get a new bed because, you

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know, who knows what happened here.

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And so it was then we had, when

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we bought this house, it was a complete

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smart home, so I had to dismantle everything.

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But it did have a big flat screen

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hanging on the wall.

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And we've never turned it on because we

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just, we don't watch television when we're in

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We just, no, no TV.

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I had him remounted in the studio right

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across from where I'm sitting.

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So and then he rehung all of my...

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I should take a picture and post it

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in the boardroom.

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It's so cool.

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So the TV, this, you've got a TV

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in the podcast room now.

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Hold on, let me take a picture.

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For what?

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Does it stay on while you're...

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Um, and so how do I get it

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into the chat room?

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That's a good question.

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Stick it in Freedom Controller.

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Yeah, but I've got to get it out

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of, you know, the Freedom Controller doesn't do

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very well on mobile.

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but it's definitely not easy.

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Anyway, um, and so then he rehung, uh,

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my soundproofing.

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of those things where I've always wondered, would

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it influence my shows if I can look

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up and see headlines and, you know, stuff

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like that.

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So you can see breaking news, yeah.

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Yes, breaking news, exactly.

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Breaking!

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Okay, I can send it to Signal to

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Here we go.

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it, I mean, it just looks so professional

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And I am, I'm now ready.

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I'm actually ready to do a video podcast

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and get in on that hot thing all

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the kids are talking about.

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So is it on right now, the TV?

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Yeah, hold on a second.

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Where's my...

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If there's podcast breaking news, are you going

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to interrupt the show?

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You better believe it!

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Podcast breaking news on CNN.

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On CNN.

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I'm actually, uh, I'm a CNBC guy most

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of the day, to be honest about it.

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I like CNBC.

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uh, because, you know, it's financial stuff.

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moves markets and, you know, that's going to

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be the stuff that, that they'll talk about.

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uh, Kramer, you know.

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That guy, that guy cracks me up.

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Okay, hold on.

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I finally got it.

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I've moved it over.

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I'm going to post this on the, here

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we go.

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I want to see this sweet rig.

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Okay, there it is.

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There's my sweet rig.

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Hey, now.

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Look at that.

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And so we re-hung all of my

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sound panels, which actually is a little bit

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better.

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Isn't that cool?

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Oh yeah, I like that.

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The key takeaways from Apple's results.

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It's still, it's out.

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Sell on the news, breaking news, breaking news.

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Yes, exactly.

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Um, brisket update from last week.

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Oh yeah, how'd it turn out?

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Dynamite.

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You've got, and what you have to understand

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you have to take it up to 160

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I take, and so I figured out that'd

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take about three hours.

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take it up to 192.

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And that was right during the show.

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any Bluetooth or any kind of enabled thermometer.

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uh, before I even did the post, I

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ran out, checked it.

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It was 188.

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They're like, oh, I can post the show,

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walk the dog, come back.

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Bam.

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192.

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192.

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You shot, you, you did a three pointer

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from half court.

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And yes, thank you.

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Salty crayon.

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I do need, I have white surgical gloves.

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That's kind of lame.

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Uh, in the picture, which, uh, Tina took

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some pictures.

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I need those black gloves, those pro pro

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gloves that all the brisket guys.

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Oh, the, the, the, the heat gloves.

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That's what I'd look kind of lame.

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Let me, let me question what is in

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your picture here where it says B, C,

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D, E, F, G.

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What is that?

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Oh, that's in case I forget how to

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do the alphabet, uh, A, B, C, D,

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um, those are my players.

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You've never seen my studio.

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No, those are the players.

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So, um, let me take a look at

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that picture.

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I was in your studio like 12 years

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Well, that was very, very different studio.

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So, um, those are players.

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these clips from on the media.

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I'll just click.

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You can't, it's right out of view, but

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I'll drag it in there.

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which is just faders and start and stop

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And then from there I can start, stop,

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and actually dump the three buttons.

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I can dump the clip out.

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So that's fancy.

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Well, I designed it myself.

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Thank you.

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Because it's, um, M air list, which comes

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as a kind of like a radio station

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play out system, but you can completely design

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it however you want.

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3, 4, 5, 6, yeah.

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right across that, by the way, that screen

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is also a touch screen.

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Oh, so I can, I can hit, you

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know, stuff like that down at the bottom.

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How big is that screen by the way?

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How big is it?

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It's like 27 inches.

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I know.

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I don't know how big it is.

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It looks large from the, from the, like

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a surface studio size.

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It is a surface studio size.

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And it's touch screen.

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So yeah.

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So that is how the, the, the bagels

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are made.

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Everybody.

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You've had a little look inside, inside.

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Anyway, the brisket was dynamite.

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Um, uh, something beautiful happened today.

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I mean, beautiful and not so beautiful.

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So, you know, in my local radio slash

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podcast experiment known as hellofred.fm. Yes.

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All of a sudden I see the numbers

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going up, not just of the stream, but

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people are clicking around in the podcast.

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I'm like, okay, what's going on?

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Turns out you're talking about Godcaster.

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Godcaster.

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Yes.

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So hellofred.fm is Godcaster.

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It has a live stream and on the

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live stream, we do promos for podcasts and

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we've just added one, the Capitol report, this

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guy, Matt Long here, um, he does five

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minutes a week on what's been happening in

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the Capitol in Austin.

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So it's, it's more of a statewide thing,

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but it's still, it's cool that that's Matt,

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our guy here, you know, everyone knows Matt.

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You bump into him everywhere.

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He plays Ben Franklin on holidays.

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He's everyone knows Matt Long.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Oh yeah.

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The bald wig, everything.

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He goes into schools and we'll do a

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whole rundown of our, of our constitution.

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Everyone loves Matt.

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Um, but, uh, KTLY in Dallas, which had

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been running for decades, uh, shut down, had

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its last broadcast today.

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KTLY contemporary Christian music station, but very loved

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up in Dallas.

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And it got bought by, um, it got,

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you know, that was part of Salem and

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Salem sold it.

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So it's going to turn into K-Love.

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I think it already has turned into K

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-Love, which is this just monstrous, uh, CCM

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station.

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And they have, they've purchased, I don't know

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how many stations they have.

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Gordon would know, but it's several hundred.

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What does CCM mean?

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Contemporary Christian music.

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Oh, I see.

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Okay.

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Like, um, like Mercy Me, Lauren Daigle, excuse

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me.

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And, uh, so they turned off and, uh,

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somehow someone had said, well, you know, these

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guys are doing this down in Fredericksburg and

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now everyone they're choosing Hello Fred over K

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-Love.

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Because, yes, because they feel it's more of

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a Texas vibe.

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I'm like, you guys need to start your

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own up there, you know, do your own

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thing and we'll show you how.

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But yeah, I mean, and it just, they

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become so clear to me where podcasting needs

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to go.

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This, this hyperlocal, you know, it's, and it's,

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it's the opposite of how many people can

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I get to listen and get advertising?

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It's the opposite of that.

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And, you know, and I truly believe with

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Value for Value, local communities will support a

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local podcast or multiple podcasts.

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I mean, I just believe that very strongly.

334
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And I have some evidence of it myself

335
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with the podcast that Tina and I do.

336
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But it, you know, not everybody can listen

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to all the big national shows.

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So you need to have someone local who's

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distilling that, distilling how that, you know, how

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that's relevant to your local community.

341
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And again, I'm going to make my weekly

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plea for Apple to include the lit tag

343
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in, in the Apple podcast.

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And I know we were talking about how

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do we do, you know, how do we,

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how do you discern from a feed when

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something's live?

348
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I'm like, no, pod ping and lit tag

349
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go hand in hand.

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And this thing is robust and, and, and

351
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it's not going to put any strain on

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pod ping for Apple to slurp it.

353
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It won't put any, put any strain on

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the system.

355
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And look how many podcast hosts already support

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it.

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We have hundreds of thousands of podcasts that

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are hitting pod ping.

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Apple, wake up, do something innovative.

360
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Stop with the Apple intelligence crap.

361
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We all know it's going down.

362
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Do something crazy for a change.

363
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Your numbers are going down.

364
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You're losing the YouTube.

365
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Do something innovative.

366
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How many, how many apps do support the

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live tag?

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I'm, let me, you know what I should

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go to.

370
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We have a page for that.

371
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I was about to go into the podcast

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index page.

373
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We have a page for that.

374
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I'm quite sure.

375
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I'm going to apps.

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Apps, yes.

377
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We're going to filter filters.

378
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Yes.

379
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Live live.

380
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Where's live?

381
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I can't find the app type.

382
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Where's live?

383
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And then app type app, true fans, pod,

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verse, podcast, guru, fountain, peer tube, podcast, addict,

385
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curio, caster, split kit, and Digi lore, which

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I've never heard.

387
00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:08,990
I've never heard of that either.

388
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So that's a one, two, three, four, five,

389
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six, seven, eight, nine, 10, nine.

390
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Do I count that right?

391
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Yeah.

392
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This is weak.

393
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It's weak.

394
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It's weak, people.

395
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It's weak.

396
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We need more.

397
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I mean, like, where, where's, uh, uh, I

398
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mean, where, where's, where's all the apps for

399
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live?

400
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It's not, it's, it's, isn't it not that

401
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hard?

402
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Uh, pod LP.

403
00:12:36,250 --> 00:12:37,310
Most of these should do it.

404
00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:37,630
Yeah.

405
00:12:37,630 --> 00:12:39,870
What needs, uh, what else should be doing

406
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it?

407
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Anytime, anytime player breeze.

408
00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:45,710
Antenna pod pocket.

409
00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:47,730
Now Franco is working on it.

410
00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:48,090
Okay.

411
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I think Franco is going to have like,

412
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he's Franco is moving.

413
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He is.

414
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He's clearly Franco is on the move.

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He's on the move.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Franco's on the move.

417
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Farther in and farther up.

418
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Franco is, is, is rustling the leaves.

419
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So I think, I think Castamatic will come

420
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on board soon, but where, where's, where's the

421
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rest of the apps, man?

422
00:13:10,070 --> 00:13:12,870
Like not, you know, uh, there's like anytime

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player breeze.

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I mean, when we do no agenda, we

425
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have two to 3000 people listening live.

426
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They're not all listening on the apps, but

427
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a lot of them are.

428
00:13:23,330 --> 00:13:24,470
A lot of them are.

429
00:13:24,670 --> 00:13:25,890
What about overcast?

430
00:13:26,110 --> 00:13:28,230
Oh, they do a, no, no, no.

431
00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:31,110
They do a live show with a, with

432
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an ice cast stream.

433
00:13:32,690 --> 00:13:34,790
No, that would mean that Marco was capitulated

434
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to the Christian nationalist fascist.

435
00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:37,970
Don't you understand?

436
00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:38,910
He can't do that.

437
00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:41,310
Well, Trump didn't invent it.

438
00:13:41,910 --> 00:13:43,490
He didn't invent the life tag.

439
00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:44,010
We did.

440
00:13:44,170 --> 00:13:44,690
Yeah, we did.

441
00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:45,790
But you, you know what we are?

442
00:13:45,830 --> 00:13:46,390
We're no good.

443
00:13:46,770 --> 00:13:47,790
We're no good.

444
00:13:47,930 --> 00:13:48,590
We're crazy.

445
00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:49,510
Yeah.

446
00:13:49,610 --> 00:13:49,930
The puck.

447
00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:53,410
I mean, the pod, the podcasts, I mean,

448
00:13:53,430 --> 00:13:55,650
the podcast and 2.0 namespace people invented

449
00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:55,950
that.

450
00:13:56,070 --> 00:13:57,530
It was not, it's why.

451
00:13:58,710 --> 00:13:59,150
Yeah.

452
00:13:59,150 --> 00:14:01,050
This is, this is why I listened to

453
00:14:01,050 --> 00:14:03,610
pivot and Dave Weiner.

454
00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:06,890
I've got, I've, I've, I've got my hate.

455
00:14:06,890 --> 00:14:10,110
Like 20s, 20,000 clips.

456
00:14:10,290 --> 00:14:11,630
Well, before you do that, let me just

457
00:14:11,630 --> 00:14:13,510
add one last thing that I'm not ready

458
00:14:13,510 --> 00:14:13,910
for you.

459
00:14:14,030 --> 00:14:14,570
No, no, no.

460
00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:17,430
That Sam, Sam pinged me pinged us actually.

461
00:14:17,510 --> 00:14:20,510
And he said, I'm looking at hello, Fred.

462
00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:25,530
And he wanted to reiterate that there is

463
00:14:25,530 --> 00:14:30,430
a publisher feed equals radio, which if I

464
00:14:30,430 --> 00:14:34,490
understand it correctly, correctly, should trigger a podcast

465
00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:38,530
app to play episodes automatically one after another.

466
00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:39,830
Is that how I understand it?

467
00:14:40,890 --> 00:14:43,690
You mean, you mean the medium radio medium?

468
00:14:43,830 --> 00:14:43,990
Yeah.

469
00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:45,010
Medium radio.

470
00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:45,810
Yes.

471
00:14:45,870 --> 00:14:46,090
Right.

472
00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:47,310
Is that how that works?

473
00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:53,370
It'll, it'll act like a normal, like serialized.

474
00:14:53,530 --> 00:14:53,750
Yeah.

475
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Which you can set, you can set that

476
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in most podcast apps.

477
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:58,170
But in this case it would, I guess

478
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would trigger it setting automatically.

479
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It's worth doing.

480
00:15:00,770 --> 00:15:02,730
It's probably a small fix for people to

481
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parse that.

482
00:15:03,330 --> 00:15:05,590
I mean, I said he non-developer it's

483
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easy.

484
00:15:06,890 --> 00:15:07,830
Well, I'm dead.

485
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:10,490
We need pod ping to, um, I need,

486
00:15:10,630 --> 00:15:12,610
I need, I need to deploy the pod

487
00:15:12,610 --> 00:15:14,310
ping dot cloud servers.

488
00:15:14,910 --> 00:15:17,730
I've been, I'm desperately trying to get back

489
00:15:17,730 --> 00:15:19,850
to some podcast index stuff because the Godcaster

490
00:15:19,850 --> 00:15:21,290
stuff has been owning my time.

491
00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:21,630
Yes.

492
00:15:21,850 --> 00:15:23,650
And like to the point where I can't

493
00:15:23,650 --> 00:15:26,750
even like send the credentials to Alex to

494
00:15:26,750 --> 00:15:30,250
get in and deploy a, yes, a Docker

495
00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:30,730
container.

496
00:15:30,910 --> 00:15:31,190
Yes.

497
00:15:31,450 --> 00:15:35,530
But, um, um, if at all possible, I'm

498
00:15:35,530 --> 00:15:36,770
going to try, I'm going to really get

499
00:15:36,770 --> 00:15:37,610
that done this week.

500
00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:40,430
Cause we, we need the, we need that

501
00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:41,390
support on there.

502
00:15:41,390 --> 00:15:43,630
And, and, uh, Alex has already coded it

503
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up.

504
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:45,890
It just has to be deployed and right.

505
00:15:46,130 --> 00:15:46,370
Okay.

506
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:47,630
But, um.

507
00:15:47,930 --> 00:15:49,410
Well, you'll have some time in the next

508
00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:52,030
few weeks as we head off to NRB

509
00:15:52,030 --> 00:15:54,130
and we'll be heads down doing other stuff.

510
00:15:54,250 --> 00:15:56,590
So we won't be able to be throwing

511
00:15:56,590 --> 00:15:57,410
stuff at you.

512
00:15:58,250 --> 00:15:58,350
Yeah.

513
00:15:58,370 --> 00:16:00,470
No, it'll be, uh, no, no change.

514
00:16:01,030 --> 00:16:02,730
Uh, no change, no change in RB.

515
00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:03,950
No change in RB.

516
00:16:04,290 --> 00:16:04,750
Yeah.

517
00:16:05,610 --> 00:16:07,470
Um, and the stuff you've done is amazing

518
00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:07,910
though, brother.

519
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:08,550
It's amazing.

520
00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:12,850
You've built basically built a, an app, a

521
00:16:12,850 --> 00:16:15,230
full on web app that does amazing things.

522
00:16:15,230 --> 00:16:16,270
It really is amazing.

523
00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:17,130
I love it.

524
00:16:17,130 --> 00:16:20,830
One day when, once, once we launch, we'll

525
00:16:20,830 --> 00:16:24,590
talk, uh, once we launched Godcaster, like officially

526
00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:26,370
or whatever, we'll, we'll just go through and,

527
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:28,870
you know, talk about all the tech there.

528
00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:29,330
Yeah.

529
00:16:29,470 --> 00:16:31,230
But, um, that'll be, that'll be fun to,

530
00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:33,070
to go over on the boardroom.

531
00:16:33,150 --> 00:16:35,710
But I mean, like, so on the pod

532
00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:40,330
ping front, I've been talking to, uh, Alex

533
00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:44,450
in this, this sort of like slow burn,

534
00:16:44,530 --> 00:16:47,130
uh, thing that we've been passing back and

535
00:16:47,130 --> 00:16:50,990
forth for a long time is a way

536
00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:54,430
to decentralize, you know, lots of stuff, but,

537
00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:58,870
but pod ping decentralizing pod ping beyond, um,

538
00:16:59,650 --> 00:17:01,170
the, you know, hive core.

539
00:17:01,750 --> 00:17:04,270
Wait, breaking news, breaking news, breaking news.

540
00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:07,270
White house says Trump will implement 25%

541
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:09,770
tariff on Mexico, Canada, 10% on China

542
00:17:09,770 --> 00:17:11,230
starting tomorrow, breaking news.

543
00:17:11,310 --> 00:17:11,670
Okay.

544
00:17:11,710 --> 00:17:12,010
I'm sorry.

545
00:17:12,650 --> 00:17:13,670
Turn off CNBC.

546
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:16,130
You've got, this is not good for the

547
00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:16,290
show.

548
00:17:16,349 --> 00:17:17,030
I'm turning it off.

549
00:17:18,609 --> 00:17:20,250
I just wanted to do it because we

550
00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:21,750
just talked about this happening.

551
00:17:22,589 --> 00:17:25,609
This is probably, I mean, I remember breaking

552
00:17:25,609 --> 00:17:27,569
news was like a once a year event.

553
00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:27,870
Yeah.

554
00:17:27,870 --> 00:17:28,890
It's like every five minutes.

555
00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:30,670
The shuttle launched or we landed on the

556
00:17:30,670 --> 00:17:32,550
moon or something cool like that.

557
00:17:32,670 --> 00:17:32,890
Yeah.

558
00:17:33,030 --> 00:17:33,330
Yeah.

559
00:17:33,330 --> 00:17:34,190
I'm with you now.

560
00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:35,410
It's like breaking news.

561
00:17:35,790 --> 00:17:37,690
Somebody, you know, a bill.

562
00:17:39,530 --> 00:17:40,490
All right.

563
00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:40,810
I'm sorry.

564
00:17:40,810 --> 00:17:42,130
Back to your profile.

565
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:45,530
So we've been talking about this for a

566
00:17:45,530 --> 00:17:47,550
long time about decentralizing stuff.

567
00:17:47,790 --> 00:17:52,510
And then pod ping clearly, um, is, is

568
00:17:52,510 --> 00:17:56,570
a candidate for having other distribution channels.

569
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:58,610
And so, you know, he, he, he wrote

570
00:17:58,610 --> 00:18:03,730
pod ping D and that gets, uh, gets

571
00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:05,850
us to where, oh, I'm hearing myself come

572
00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:07,390
back in your mic or something.

573
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:08,150
I'm hearing that too.

574
00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:09,690
That's weird.

575
00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:10,310
All right.

576
00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:10,890
Let me back off.

577
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:11,190
Go ahead.

578
00:18:11,790 --> 00:18:12,250
Oh, okay.

579
00:18:12,350 --> 00:18:12,790
All right.

580
00:18:12,970 --> 00:18:15,570
Um, that gets us forward to where we're

581
00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:19,770
headed, but, uh, then I saw this thing

582
00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:23,810
called IRO, I R O H and.

583
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:24,630
ERO?

584
00:18:25,030 --> 00:18:25,990
That ERO.

585
00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:26,290
Yeah.

586
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:27,210
It looks promising.

587
00:18:27,370 --> 00:18:29,270
Oh, uh, R O H.

588
00:18:29,330 --> 00:18:30,570
I'm not sure if it's an acronym or

589
00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:32,610
it stands for something, but, uh, let me

590
00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:35,250
put, there's a YouTube video I was watching

591
00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:37,890
about it and let me paste it in

592
00:18:37,890 --> 00:18:38,810
the boardroom here.

593
00:18:40,290 --> 00:18:41,170
There we go.

594
00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:48,410
So the, the place we were looking at.

595
00:18:48,410 --> 00:18:49,590
Why are you coming back through my headphones?

596
00:18:49,790 --> 00:18:50,690
This is very odd.

597
00:18:50,890 --> 00:18:51,750
I'm going to mute myself.

598
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:52,070
I don't know.

599
00:18:52,210 --> 00:18:53,390
I'm, I'm hearing myself too.

600
00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:54,690
I don't, I don't know why.

601
00:18:54,690 --> 00:18:55,210
Hold on a second.

602
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:58,230
Are you hearing yourself come back through your.

603
00:18:59,210 --> 00:19:02,250
I hear myself coming back from your side

604
00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:04,870
as if I'm like in the room coming

605
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:05,530
out of the speaker.

606
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:07,090
Uh, do you hear it now?

607
00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:09,310
No, I don't think so.

608
00:19:09,310 --> 00:19:09,870
No, I do not.

609
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:10,350
Okay.

610
00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:11,270
Then it's just my headphones.

611
00:19:11,410 --> 00:19:11,790
I'm sorry.

612
00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:12,970
That's weird.

613
00:19:13,330 --> 00:19:13,530
All right.

614
00:19:13,670 --> 00:19:13,850
Era.

615
00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:15,970
Uh, you know, yeah, era.

616
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:18,990
So it's, um, we, we looked at live

617
00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:24,070
P2P for, uh, for a while and live

618
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:26,130
P2P is a, you know, peer to peer,

619
00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:31,110
uh, decentralized, uh, protocol, uh, message passing protocol.

620
00:19:31,330 --> 00:19:33,370
It's actually, it's a suite of things.

621
00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:34,570
It's not just one thing.

622
00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:38,250
Uh, it's a suite of sort of functionality

623
00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:40,770
that you, uh, that you can use to

624
00:19:40,770 --> 00:19:42,190
build decentralized apps.

625
00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:45,150
And, you know, these would be apps that

626
00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:47,190
just have no sort of like home-based

627
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:47,630
server.

628
00:19:48,850 --> 00:19:52,630
Uh, and the problem with live P2P is

629
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:54,850
it's really complicated.

630
00:19:55,750 --> 00:20:00,510
Uh, the, it's not, the documentation is okay,

631
00:20:01,030 --> 00:20:03,670
but you, it, it's not for the faint

632
00:20:03,670 --> 00:20:04,350
of heart.

633
00:20:05,770 --> 00:20:08,790
And so they simplified it.

634
00:20:08,790 --> 00:20:10,610
It's sort of like a lot with live

635
00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:10,950
P2P.

636
00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:12,370
It's sort of like, okay, here's a suite

637
00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:16,650
of pro of protocols and, and, and sort

638
00:20:16,650 --> 00:20:21,870
of standards and then, um, and some code

639
00:20:21,870 --> 00:20:24,630
and you, it's up to you to put

640
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:26,810
all this stuff together in a way that's

641
00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:29,130
useful for your apps, like an erector set.

642
00:20:29,910 --> 00:20:36,010
Yes, which is fine, except it's so hard

643
00:20:36,010 --> 00:20:37,810
that nobody's going to be, nobody's going to

644
00:20:37,810 --> 00:20:38,790
join in this party.

645
00:20:40,450 --> 00:20:47,150
So, um, IPFS, the IPFS Damon had for

646
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:49,630
a short time had an implementation of live

647
00:20:49,630 --> 00:20:50,470
P2P gossip.

648
00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:53,630
So one of the, one of the things

649
00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:57,090
in live P2P was a gossip protocol where,

650
00:20:57,090 --> 00:21:00,930
you know, you could broadcast a, uh, messages

651
00:21:00,930 --> 00:21:03,510
over a gossip channel and then you, it's

652
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:04,310
like a pub sub.

653
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:06,670
I could have, you could have 15 nodes

654
00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:11,430
connected to the network and then, uh, and

655
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:16,490
then you get, um, and then you create

656
00:21:16,490 --> 00:21:17,990
a, uh, a topic.

657
00:21:18,270 --> 00:21:21,090
Then you send messages out over that topic.

658
00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:23,770
And people who have subscribed to that topic

659
00:21:23,770 --> 00:21:25,650
now receive those messages.

660
00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:28,190
And we test, and we tested this, uh,

661
00:21:28,210 --> 00:21:30,070
Alex created a topic and we, we, we

662
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:32,510
tested it using the binary for IPFS.

663
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:38,750
So that worked, but then they canceled their,

664
00:21:39,070 --> 00:21:41,030
they basically just ripped all that code out

665
00:21:41,030 --> 00:21:41,950
of IPFS.

666
00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:45,410
And so that means you're back to sort

667
00:21:45,410 --> 00:21:47,530
of like built, rolling your own implementation.

668
00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:54,830
And so that it's sort of left this,

669
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:56,630
this hole that we, you know, that we've

670
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:58,790
always been exploring in the background.

671
00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:02,670
Uh, and then this arrow thing looks, it

672
00:22:02,670 --> 00:22:05,090
looks like a, a possible good solution.

673
00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:07,450
It, it's better, it's better with it.

674
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:07,810
Go ahead.

675
00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:08,610
No, no, no.

676
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:09,470
I'm just going, huh?

677
00:22:09,490 --> 00:22:10,830
I'm making listening noises.

678
00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:13,230
That's what I do with my wife.

679
00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:14,150
That's what I do with my wife.

680
00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:14,910
Okay.

681
00:22:15,570 --> 00:22:17,050
You're like, you're like, you're like Brooke, you're

682
00:22:17,050 --> 00:22:17,510
like Brooke Glover.

683
00:22:18,430 --> 00:22:20,310
Oh, yes.

684
00:22:20,530 --> 00:22:21,030
Oh, interesting.

685
00:22:21,290 --> 00:22:21,490
Okay.

686
00:22:21,630 --> 00:22:21,930
Yes.

687
00:22:22,990 --> 00:22:25,430
Uh, so Eero has some advantages.

688
00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:27,890
It works better with nat traversal and hole

689
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:28,270
punching.

690
00:22:28,270 --> 00:22:30,470
They use some sort of like tail scale

691
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:35,870
style, um, noise protocol relay thing that is

692
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:40,390
like a fallback, uh, to make getting through

693
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:43,450
nat more reliable and dependable.

694
00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:47,090
Um, and that's, that was, that's one place

695
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:50,430
that live P2P struggled with is, is some

696
00:22:50,430 --> 00:22:51,990
of that technology.

697
00:22:52,930 --> 00:22:53,990
Uh, it's simple.

698
00:22:54,090 --> 00:22:55,710
The it's, the code is more simple.

699
00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:56,990
It's much more simple actually.

700
00:22:58,270 --> 00:23:02,630
Um, and the, uh, it uses the, like

701
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:05,790
you can, you can, it supports subscribing by

702
00:23:05,790 --> 00:23:06,810
what they call tickets.

703
00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:09,830
So that means, that means like, let's, okay.

704
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:10,790
So let me, let me just sort of

705
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:11,730
paint a picture real quick.

706
00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:17,370
Imagine we're running a, um, some sort of

707
00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:20,390
Eero client on, on our side.

708
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:23,250
And then what we're doing is we're pushing

709
00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:26,330
out, we're republishing all the pod pings we

710
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:30,570
see into this Eero gossip talk topic.

711
00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:39,370
And we're also pushing out, um, messages for

712
00:23:39,370 --> 00:23:41,150
things that we discover.

713
00:23:41,770 --> 00:23:44,610
Uh, so things that our polling agents discover

714
00:23:44,610 --> 00:23:45,880
that were never pod pinged.

715
00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:49,290
Um, so that, that would be, I'm just,

716
00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:51,590
I'm just off the cuff trying to think

717
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:52,610
of this use case here.

718
00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:57,730
And now, now everybody who's, who's connected to

719
00:23:57,730 --> 00:24:00,110
us is also in subscribe to this topic

720
00:24:00,110 --> 00:24:01,590
is also getting these messages.

721
00:24:04,170 --> 00:24:08,870
Um, then what we could do, we could

722
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:09,890
do this a couple of ways.

723
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:14,570
There could be a ticket where, um, there's

724
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:16,850
a, this ticket sort of subscribes you to

725
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:17,470
this topic.

726
00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:20,070
And we could, we could create that and

727
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:23,430
send it out when we have, um, sort

728
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:24,910
of when you, in order for you to

729
00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:26,250
join the network, let's say it's a QR

730
00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:28,290
code or some sort of like a string.

731
00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:34,590
Or it also supports subscribing, um, through P,

732
00:24:34,650 --> 00:24:37,170
by PCAR, uh, P-K-A-R on

733
00:24:37,170 --> 00:24:39,550
the BitTorrent mainline DHT.

734
00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:41,830
So you can do it that way too,

735
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:43,970
so that the bootstrapping is like even a

736
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:45,650
little more automatic.

737
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:48,550
So you could, we could possibly get it

738
00:24:48,550 --> 00:24:49,690
to where you could just sort of boot

739
00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:52,450
up, boot up the client and it just,

740
00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:55,750
you just start receiving the podcast index messages.

741
00:24:57,750 --> 00:25:01,330
Um, and so like, you know, all of

742
00:25:01,330 --> 00:25:05,850
this could be, uh, sort of a, a

743
00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:10,870
way to have a bit, a podcast index.

744
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:14,390
Um, how do I describe this?

745
00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:15,990
Like a podcast index.

746
00:25:16,670 --> 00:25:17,390
Messaging bus?

747
00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:18,870
Messaging.

748
00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:19,530
Yes.

749
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:22,410
So Podping exists sort of on its own.

750
00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:24,190
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a thing

751
00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:25,230
that exists and fine.

752
00:25:25,770 --> 00:25:29,710
But then, um, the question is, how do

753
00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:31,350
you, how do you watch it?

754
00:25:31,850 --> 00:25:33,850
You know, how, how do you subscribe to

755
00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:34,150
it?

756
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:36,530
And there's, there's, you know, there's the Hive

757
00:25:36,530 --> 00:25:37,370
Watcher client.

758
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:42,090
And then there's, uh, uh, John Spurlock's, uh,

759
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:44,010
Podping web socket.

760
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:46,550
There's these different solutions on how to watch

761
00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:48,250
the Podping network.

762
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:51,290
Or, or I guess even IRC in a

763
00:25:51,290 --> 00:25:52,490
way could play into this, right?

764
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:54,850
Uh, what do you mean?

765
00:25:55,090 --> 00:25:58,190
Um, IRC could watch it, bring stuff in,

766
00:25:58,530 --> 00:26:01,530
the bots can translate stuff, do things.

767
00:26:01,570 --> 00:26:03,090
Or am I ahead of the game here?

768
00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:06,870
No, that's, I mean, yeah, basically we're, yeah.

769
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:09,590
You're just saying the same thing where we're

770
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:11,970
saying, okay, all of this thing, all of

771
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:15,270
these messages that are coming over Podping are

772
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:16,470
available to watch.

773
00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:17,430
And so you just sort of have to

774
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:19,970
pick, pick, you have to pick your porthole.

775
00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:23,170
You know, there's a show title.

776
00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:24,190
Yeah.

777
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:26,370
So you just pick, you pick your porthole

778
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:28,830
and watch through the watch, you know, you

779
00:26:28,830 --> 00:26:32,290
just look at the hole and watch the

780
00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:33,230
messages come in.

781
00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:37,470
And then, um, so this would just be

782
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:38,690
a different porthole.

783
00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:42,130
So we would, we would create a new

784
00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:45,750
hole that has Podpings in it.

785
00:26:46,030 --> 00:26:50,470
And also reasons, possibly other things that we

786
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:55,290
want to, uh, to, to broadcast like, uh,

787
00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:59,150
like index, maybe index updates.

788
00:26:59,390 --> 00:27:00,630
Oh, okay.

789
00:27:00,630 --> 00:27:01,630
I feel you.

790
00:27:01,690 --> 00:27:02,610
I feel you now.

791
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:03,010
Yep.

792
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:04,130
Yeah.

793
00:27:04,150 --> 00:27:07,710
So now, now maybe every, let's, let's just

794
00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:11,770
say every 15, 20 minutes, maybe we do

795
00:27:11,770 --> 00:27:17,350
a big batch of, uh, episode data or

796
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:20,370
feed data that we have found over the

797
00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:21,810
last 15 to 20 minutes.

798
00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:24,370
So that other people can then begin to

799
00:27:24,370 --> 00:27:28,030
build their own indexes off of our index.

800
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:30,150
And you can, so I see it has

801
00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:32,110
no JS rust and swift.

802
00:27:33,290 --> 00:27:33,730
Yes.

803
00:27:33,770 --> 00:27:35,150
That's my, yeah, that's what I saw too.

804
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:37,430
I think rust is the, is the sort

805
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:39,510
of like what people are first class citizen.

806
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:39,870
Yeah.

807
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:41,410
I think that's the primary.

808
00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:45,350
Um, but anyway, I think I want to,

809
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:47,370
I would really like to explore this.

810
00:27:48,010 --> 00:27:48,970
Um, I like it.

811
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:51,090
Anything like that, man, I'm, I'm digging that

812
00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:51,670
for sure.

813
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:52,670
Yeah.

814
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:54,450
So it could be, it could be sort

815
00:27:54,450 --> 00:27:56,950
of like a, um, almost like a queue.

816
00:27:59,890 --> 00:28:04,330
Um, so you like, imagine, you know, like,

817
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:06,550
uh, imagine a pipeline where you say, okay,

818
00:28:06,550 --> 00:28:08,650
I'm going to, I'm going to scan these,

819
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:10,210
these RSS feeds.

820
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:12,150
I'm going to get the, get the most

821
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:13,610
recent data out of them.

822
00:28:13,870 --> 00:28:15,550
Then in order to get into the database,

823
00:28:15,550 --> 00:28:17,070
I'm going to stick it in this queue

824
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:18,790
where it lines up and waits to get

825
00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:19,990
included into the database.

826
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:25,550
Well, that queue could be an ERO topic.

827
00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:27,650
You know, and you could have multiple topics.

828
00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:29,110
One could be database updates.

829
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:30,630
One could be pod paying.

830
00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:32,050
One could be that kind of thing.

831
00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:34,870
I'm just, I'm trying, I'm constantly trying to

832
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:37,890
find a new way to sort of wrap

833
00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:41,490
all this stuff into, into one base sort

834
00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:46,190
of base technology that doesn't depend on, or,

835
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:47,870
or excuse me, let me try to be

836
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:48,750
more realistic here.

837
00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:52,690
That, that depends as little as possible on

838
00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:54,890
central central services.

839
00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:56,150
Yeah, sure.

840
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:59,170
Because other people want to, they, you know,

841
00:28:59,210 --> 00:29:01,450
we need a base to build off of

842
00:29:01,450 --> 00:29:05,370
and pod ping, pod ping is really good

843
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:07,430
for what it does because it's a, it's

844
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:10,470
a, it's a, but it also, there's stuff

845
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:11,970
you don't want to put on pod ping.

846
00:29:12,010 --> 00:29:13,550
Like that doesn't make any sense on pod

847
00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:13,790
ping.

848
00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:16,650
Because, because pod ping is a, is a,

849
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:18,650
at its heart, it's, it's hive.

850
00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:20,750
It's the block, it's a blockchain and that

851
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:21,530
stuff is permanent.

852
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:22,950
It's never going to be removed.

853
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:26,390
You don't really need a permanent ledger of

854
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,430
some of this type of data.

855
00:29:28,990 --> 00:29:31,630
Like, you know, if you want to know,

856
00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:36,190
did, did so-and-so change?

857
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:39,290
If you, it's nice to have a permanent

858
00:29:39,290 --> 00:29:41,730
ledger of every time a feed updated with

859
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:43,470
a new episode because that data could be

860
00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:45,350
useful to go back and look at in

861
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:45,930
the past.

862
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:49,250
But do you really need to know that

863
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:50,210
it changed his artwork?

864
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:53,030
Well, you may want to know that within

865
00:29:53,030 --> 00:29:55,870
the next 30 minutes, but do you need

866
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:58,070
to know that forever on the blockchain?

867
00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:02,290
No, no, no, it's, it's not useful.

868
00:30:02,490 --> 00:30:04,310
Oh, here come new block size wars.

869
00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:05,590
I can feel it coming already.

870
00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:06,870
Yeah.

871
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:10,190
So, you know, we, we've been throwing a

872
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:11,850
bunch of stuff around about, you know, like

873
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:14,110
creating our own blockchain or some sort of

874
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:17,250
thing like, uh, but anyway, I want to

875
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:18,190
go down this road.

876
00:30:18,530 --> 00:30:18,910
I like it.

877
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:20,010
And I thought I would just throw it

878
00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:22,690
out there because if anybody else wants to,

879
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:25,170
you know, play around with this, uh, maybe

880
00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:27,110
we could, you know, all just sort of,

881
00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:29,370
uh, play around with this and get, get

882
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:31,010
some ideas of what we, of how we

883
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:35,490
could bake the index into this in a

884
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:36,370
decentralized way.

885
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:38,050
I like it, man.

886
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:39,030
That sounds cool.

887
00:30:39,790 --> 00:30:40,130
Yeah.

888
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:41,330
It really does.

889
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:41,810
Maybe.

890
00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:43,150
I hope, I hope it's cool.

891
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:46,090
Cause I always get excited about these decentralized

892
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:48,750
protocols and then, uh, and then it's like,

893
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:51,830
um, they, they, I see how complicated they

894
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:54,290
are, or maybe sometimes how unreliable they are.

895
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:55,770
And then I just kind of get, it

896
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:56,670
fizzles, you know?

897
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:58,370
Well, I see they have a, they have

898
00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:00,290
a blog and the most recent post is

899
00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:01,390
January 15th.

900
00:31:01,390 --> 00:31:02,950
So it seems to be pretty active with

901
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:05,290
the 0.31 release.

902
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:07,290
So it's active.

903
00:31:07,330 --> 00:31:08,390
It's an active community.

904
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:10,410
Yeah, it seems to be.

905
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:13,310
Um, and I think, I think what's been,

906
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:16,850
what has been needed in this area, this

907
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:21,830
sort of a DHT backed bootstrapped, um, pub

908
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:26,630
sub arena, what's been needed is simplicity.

909
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:29,250
It's for somebody to come in and write

910
00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:33,190
and write some, some, some libraries that a,

911
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:36,910
that a normal dev can pick up and

912
00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:40,130
build something with within, you know, a couple

913
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:40,490
of days.

914
00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:42,570
Because even activity pub has been challenging.

915
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:44,330
Yeah.

916
00:31:44,490 --> 00:31:46,150
You know, and that's, that's been hard for

917
00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:46,490
people.

918
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:51,130
And it's, it's actually not, uh, it's actually

919
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:53,270
not that bad, but then you hit these

920
00:31:53,270 --> 00:31:54,830
hurdles and you're like, oh, you just want

921
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:55,570
to tear your hair out.

922
00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,150
Um, it's Iroh, I-R-O-H dot

923
00:31:59,150 --> 00:31:59,790
computer.

924
00:32:00,930 --> 00:32:02,750
Yeah, it's Iroh, just like the band.

925
00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:04,390
Yes, it is.

926
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:06,070
Like the V4V band, Iroh.

927
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:06,810
Yeah.

928
00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:08,170
I don't know.

929
00:32:08,290 --> 00:32:08,730
We'll see where it goes.

930
00:32:08,770 --> 00:32:09,270
I like it.

931
00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:10,530
I like it.

932
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:12,310
I got an update from Oscar, by the

933
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:12,510
way.

934
00:32:13,530 --> 00:32:13,930
Oh, okay.

935
00:32:14,190 --> 00:32:14,510
On Fountain.

936
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:17,230
He says, uh, on the doing Ellen URL,

937
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:19,210
Ellen address, uh, payments.

938
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:20,270
Yeah.

939
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:22,670
Through Fountain, uh, from Oscar.

940
00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:24,410
Hey, Adam, sorry for the delay.

941
00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:26,610
It's almost ready next week for sure.

942
00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:29,030
So we'll take that.

943
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:30,350
I believe him.

944
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:31,230
I believe, I believe.

945
00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:32,970
It's great.

946
00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:35,050
I still get all kinds of, uh, payments

947
00:32:35,050 --> 00:32:36,430
on my, uh, on my strike wall.

948
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:37,530
It's happening all the time.

949
00:32:37,530 --> 00:32:40,410
So there's definitely something as Stephen B's, uh,

950
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:42,930
cinematic universe is still, still doing stuff.

951
00:32:43,210 --> 00:32:43,670
That's for sure.

952
00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:50,050
Can we say that we successfully, um, navigated

953
00:32:50,050 --> 00:32:50,590
the turn?

954
00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:52,570
No, no.

955
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:54,470
Booster, booster way down.

956
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:55,330
Everything's down.

957
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:56,770
Okay.

958
00:32:57,510 --> 00:33:00,070
Is it as down as, uh, open as,

959
00:33:00,210 --> 00:33:04,910
as, um, Nvidia, Nvidia, Nvidia stock.

960
00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:05,130
Yeah.

961
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:06,890
We lost about a half a trillion worth

962
00:33:06,890 --> 00:33:08,350
of value on the booster grams.

963
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:09,290
It's really bad.

964
00:33:09,370 --> 00:33:09,790
Everybody.

965
00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:13,110
Uh, that's, that's, uh, I've got some on

966
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:14,670
the media clips if you want to laugh.

967
00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:16,330
Yes, of course.

968
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:19,190
I'm very excited about laughing about Brooke and

969
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:19,870
Micah.

970
00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:22,330
Did you, did you listen to this episode?

971
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:22,950
No, I have not.

972
00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:25,370
And when I saw you and, uh, uh,

973
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:27,110
Brian of London talking about, I'm like, oh,

974
00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:28,210
goodie, goodie.

975
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:29,110
Oh, goodie, goodie.

976
00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:30,490
I'm not going to listen.

977
00:33:30,490 --> 00:33:32,310
I listened to power instead.

978
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:35,270
So, um, uh, I'm, I'm ready.

979
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:36,230
I'm ready.

980
00:33:36,790 --> 00:33:40,150
The, so this guy, what is his name?

981
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:43,870
Uh, Ed Zitron.

982
00:33:44,270 --> 00:33:44,490
Yeah.

983
00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:45,230
Yeah.

984
00:33:45,550 --> 00:33:46,710
Who is that guy?

985
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:47,630
Who is that guy?

986
00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:48,490
Is that the AI guy?

987
00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:49,330
No, that's.

988
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:49,650
Yeah.

989
00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:52,210
I realized after Ed Zitron, that's his name.

990
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:54,750
I realized after the, I heard this, that

991
00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:56,670
I had seen, I had read this guy's

992
00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:57,590
blog before.

993
00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:59,650
I think he's got a sub stack.

994
00:33:59,650 --> 00:34:02,050
Uh, I may be wrong, but I think

995
00:34:02,050 --> 00:34:02,510
that's true.

996
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:07,949
Where's your ed dot at the words of,

997
00:34:08,170 --> 00:34:09,570
yeah, it is a sub stack, I guess.

998
00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:09,929
It is.

999
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:10,150
Okay.

1000
00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:10,389
Yeah.

1001
00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:10,929
That's okay.

1002
00:34:10,989 --> 00:34:12,630
I thought I recognized this guy.

1003
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:12,929
Yeah.

1004
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:17,449
Uh, but first of all, this guy's very

1005
00:34:17,449 --> 00:34:18,449
difficult to clip.

1006
00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:21,750
He's, he does this Trumpian rabbit.

1007
00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:22,670
He does the weave.

1008
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:23,449
He does the weave.

1009
00:34:23,449 --> 00:34:24,510
Oh God.

1010
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:27,449
The weave is so long and so hard

1011
00:34:27,449 --> 00:34:29,530
to, to like stitch back together.

1012
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:30,790
It's, it's awful.

1013
00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:33,770
Um, but, but, uh, but I, I was

1014
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:34,989
able to get a, get a bunch out

1015
00:34:34,989 --> 00:34:37,350
of it though, but he's, he's talking about

1016
00:34:37,350 --> 00:34:41,570
obviously the, the, um, deep seek.

1017
00:34:42,630 --> 00:34:43,030
Yeah.

1018
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:43,250
Yeah.

1019
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:45,190
You know, cheap, cheap seek, we call it

1020
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:45,449
now.

1021
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:46,590
Oh, okay.

1022
00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:48,090
I haven't heard no agenda.

1023
00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:49,370
I'm sure you're talking about cheap seek.

1024
00:34:49,429 --> 00:34:50,070
Yes, indeed.

1025
00:34:50,290 --> 00:34:50,530
Yeah.

1026
00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:52,909
Uh, and what's funny, I don't think I

1027
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:55,290
had this in any of the clips, but,

1028
00:34:55,310 --> 00:35:02,230
uh, Brooke, Brooke calls it, um, Nvidia instead

1029
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:02,770
of Nvidia.

1030
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:04,590
Because she's so with it.

1031
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:07,550
She watches, she doesn't have a monitor with

1032
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:09,810
CNBC in her studio, obviously.

1033
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,790
No, she can't tell you breaking news when

1034
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:13,210
it happens.

1035
00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:15,290
But, um, I don't know if you saw

1036
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:15,390
it.

1037
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:16,790
Did you see today that the deep seek

1038
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:17,830
database got hacked?

1039
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:18,290
Oh yeah.

1040
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:20,290
Oh, that the database got hacked.

1041
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:20,870
Yeah.

1042
00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:21,170
Yeah.

1043
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:22,710
The backend for the hosted service.

1044
00:35:22,850 --> 00:35:25,170
And they pulled like chat logs and all

1045
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:26,050
kinds of stuff out of it.

1046
00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:26,370
Oh no, that's great.

1047
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:27,710
What was in there?

1048
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:28,350
What was in there?

1049
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:29,630
I don't, I don't know.

1050
00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:31,510
I'm not sure if they've posted what was

1051
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:33,050
in it yet, but they've got, they've showed

1052
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:33,790
screenshots.

1053
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:34,870
That's great.

1054
00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:35,910
That's funny.

1055
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:36,170
Yeah.

1056
00:35:36,450 --> 00:35:36,850
Yeah.

1057
00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:37,410
It's pretty funny.

1058
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:39,690
But the, um, so they, but they're talking

1059
00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:42,670
just about what, about the ramifications of deep

1060
00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:46,050
seek and, um, how, and it coming onto

1061
00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:46,630
the market.

1062
00:35:47,470 --> 00:35:49,150
And, uh, this guy's great, man.

1063
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:53,370
He's so the first clip is him just

1064
00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:55,670
talking about overall, some of the problem with,

1065
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:59,650
uh, with LLMs as they exist today and

1066
00:35:59,650 --> 00:36:02,350
how remarked, like he calls it, you know,

1067
00:36:02,350 --> 00:36:04,450
he says, you know, they're remarkably accurate, but

1068
00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:05,390
that's just not enough.

1069
00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:06,850
Okay.

1070
00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:09,190
These models were always kind of going to

1071
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:11,050
Peter out because they'd run out of training

1072
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:13,530
data, but also there's only so much you

1073
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:15,730
can do with a probabilistic model.

1074
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:17,850
They don't have thoughts.

1075
00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:19,270
They are probabilistic.

1076
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:21,050
They guess the next thing coming and they're

1077
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:23,670
pretty good at it, but pretty good is

1078
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:25,610
actually nowhere near enough.

1079
00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:27,950
And when you think of what makes a

1080
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:30,990
software boom, a software boom is usually based

1081
00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:35,690
on mass consumer adoption and mass enterprise level

1082
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:36,190
adoption.

1083
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:39,250
Now the enterprise referring to big companies of

1084
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:41,870
like 10,000, 50,000, a hundred thousand

1085
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:44,110
people, but down to like a thousand, nevertheless,

1086
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:48,290
financial services, healthcare, all of these industries, they

1087
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:50,910
have very low tolerance for mistakes.

1088
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:53,470
And if you make a mistake with your

1089
00:36:53,470 --> 00:36:55,230
AI, well, I'm not sure if you remember

1090
00:36:55,230 --> 00:36:56,450
what happened with Knight Capital.

1091
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:58,110
That was with an algorithm.

1092
00:36:58,350 --> 00:36:59,710
They lost hundreds of millions of dollars and

1093
00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:01,690
destroyed themselves because of one little mistake.

1094
00:37:02,290 --> 00:37:04,590
We don't even know how these things fully

1095
00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:06,870
function, how they make their decisions, but we

1096
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:09,770
do know they make mistakes because they don't

1097
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:11,390
know anything.

1098
00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:13,270
They do not have knowledge.

1099
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:14,750
They are not conscious.

1100
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:15,690
I get it.

1101
00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:17,630
Not, no, no, no, not just not conscious.

1102
00:37:18,070 --> 00:37:19,670
They don't know anything.

1103
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:21,630
ChatGPT does not know.

1104
00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:23,230
Even if you say, give me a list

1105
00:37:23,230 --> 00:37:25,230
of every American states and it gets it

1106
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:26,170
right every time.

1107
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:27,670
It's just pattern recognition.

1108
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:28,130
Yes.

1109
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:30,030
It is effectively saying, what is the most

1110
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:31,490
likely answer to this?

1111
00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:33,150
It doesn't know what a state is.

1112
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,630
It doesn't know what America is.

1113
00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:35,730
It doesn't know anything.

1114
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:40,590
It is just remarkably accurate probability, but remarkably

1115
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:43,790
accurate is nowhere near as accurate as we

1116
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:44,710
would need it to be.

1117
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:46,850
And as a result, there's only so much

1118
00:37:46,850 --> 00:37:47,970
they could have done with it.

1119
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:50,470
Well, he's singing my tune.

1120
00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:51,230
That's for sure.

1121
00:37:52,330 --> 00:37:52,430
Yeah.

1122
00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:54,730
And I guess what caught me about this

1123
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:58,850
was, you know, close to accurate, it's sort

1124
00:37:58,850 --> 00:38:00,570
of like close to accurate.

1125
00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:01,390
Yeah.

1126
00:38:01,790 --> 00:38:05,910
Close to accurate is sort of like the

1127
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:08,370
uncanny valley, you know, issue.

1128
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,550
No, it's almost, you know, do you know

1129
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:12,050
that concept?

1130
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:12,990
The uncanny valley?

1131
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:15,570
It sounds familiar, but I don't know.

1132
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:17,870
I'm sure, I'm sure, you know, it's basically,

1133
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:20,130
it's, it's that idea that- Let me

1134
00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:21,070
ask Chad GBT.

1135
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:21,570
Hold on.

1136
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:23,110
Yeah, go for it.

1137
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:27,890
What is the uncanny valley?

1138
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:30,170
I have deep seek running here at home,

1139
00:38:30,210 --> 00:38:30,530
actually.

1140
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:33,790
A concept in robotics, animation, and psychology that

1141
00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:36,910
describes the eerie or unsettling feeling people experience

1142
00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:40,150
when they encounter humanoid robots, animated characters, or

1143
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:43,350
CGI figures that look almost, but not quite,

1144
00:38:43,610 --> 00:38:43,910
human.

1145
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:45,190
Yeah.

1146
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:49,830
So the close, like a Pixar cartoon character,

1147
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:53,430
you're fine with it because it's so, it's

1148
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:55,730
so obviously different than a regular human.

1149
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:56,110
Right.

1150
00:38:56,330 --> 00:38:59,350
But then the closer something gets to actually

1151
00:38:59,350 --> 00:39:03,610
looking real human, you begin to note all

1152
00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:06,010
the little flaws become more pronounced and you

1153
00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:07,770
become more and more uncomfortable.

1154
00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:11,450
Like, you know, those, those Japanese robots that

1155
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:15,430
are designed to like closely mimic humans, their

1156
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:18,250
mannerisms, they look, their face may look identical

1157
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:20,310
to a real human, but their mannerisms are

1158
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:20,910
a little off.

1159
00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:21,310
Right.

1160
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:23,150
And it just makes you weird it out.

1161
00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:26,470
And that's, that's the issue with LLMs. They're,

1162
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:29,890
they're so, they're, they're close to accurate, but

1163
00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:32,430
it's almost worse than them being just completely

1164
00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:32,950
wrong.

1165
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:36,410
Because they, they're so, they, they tell you

1166
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:39,150
the wrong thing in such a convincing way.

1167
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:41,010
Yeah, they do.

1168
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:43,930
Even with the same question asked twice often,

1169
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:46,310
it'll give you a different answer with a

1170
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:47,470
very convincing tone.

1171
00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:47,870
Yes.

1172
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:50,370
I've always said it's a parlor trick, especially

1173
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:51,930
the way it types stuff out on the

1174
00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:52,410
screen.

1175
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:53,150
Like, okay.

1176
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:57,930
I've recently had experience with Microsoft Copilot, the

1177
00:39:57,930 --> 00:39:59,630
enterprise version of Microsoft Copilot.

1178
00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:01,270
Oh, good goodness gracious.

1179
00:40:01,270 --> 00:40:03,550
This is where they, no, well, I mean,

1180
00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:04,390
I'm, I'm testing it.

1181
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:04,730
Okay.

1182
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:07,830
So this is where they bake in Copilot

1183
00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:10,190
to like Excel and Word and all this

1184
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:10,330
stuff.

1185
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:11,730
I've had it pop up saying, do you

1186
00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:12,530
want help with this?

1187
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:13,170
It's like Clippy.

1188
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:14,650
Do you want help with this?

1189
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:15,870
No, not really.

1190
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:16,830
Not for 50 bucks.

1191
00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:17,110
No.

1192
00:40:17,830 --> 00:40:19,630
Well, you can hit the Copilot button in

1193
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:21,810
Excel and give it a chart of data.

1194
00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:24,610
Give it a, give it a table of,

1195
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:26,610
of data that's perfectly formed.

1196
00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:30,970
Um, and I can say, give me a

1197
00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:35,450
pie chart of this data and it will

1198
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:37,550
crunch along a bunch of stuff and it'll

1199
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:39,110
say, and then it'll finally spit out.

1200
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:39,810
Okay.

1201
00:40:39,850 --> 00:40:42,790
I created your pie chart in the pie

1202
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:43,030
charts.

1203
00:40:43,090 --> 00:40:43,370
Nowhere.

1204
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:44,090
It doesn't exist.

1205
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:47,530
It didn't, it did not put it in

1206
00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:48,530
the, in the document.

1207
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:49,250
It doesn't.

1208
00:40:49,330 --> 00:40:51,850
And then I, and then I write, uh,

1209
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:53,450
I don't see the pie chart in the,

1210
00:40:53,570 --> 00:40:57,190
in the spreadsheet and it says, Oh, you,

1211
00:40:57,330 --> 00:40:58,970
maybe you want help on how to find

1212
00:40:58,970 --> 00:41:01,810
pie charts in the, in the, Oh, right.

1213
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:02,170
Right.

1214
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:03,710
It doesn't, it really doesn't know what it's

1215
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:03,990
doing.

1216
00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:06,470
It is a complete fail.

1217
00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:07,370
Yeah.

1218
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:08,310
Complete fail.

1219
00:41:08,350 --> 00:41:09,170
No, I did, Eric.

1220
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:10,910
Now I did, I did that again.

1221
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:12,930
I said, please create a pie chart of

1222
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:15,930
this table and insert it into a new

1223
00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:18,030
worksheet inside this Excel document.

1224
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:19,970
And then it came back and said the

1225
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:20,370
same thing.

1226
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:20,710
Okay.

1227
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:21,670
I created a pie chart.

1228
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:22,950
It still doesn't exist.

1229
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:23,770
It's not anywhere.

1230
00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:25,290
You can't find it.

1231
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:28,670
Um, and so it's like, it's, it's the

1232
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:31,450
hard things that we need the most help

1233
00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:37,150
with things like creating a complicated pivot tables

1234
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:41,530
or booking a flight and making trip reservations.

1235
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:44,230
But that's the one, those are the things

1236
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:46,890
you would never use this for meal planning,

1237
00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:47,910
meal planning.

1238
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:52,050
Would you ever let an LLM agent try

1239
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:53,230
to book a flight for you?

1240
00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:56,550
Um, I know a lot of people who

1241
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:59,250
have, um, sent me emails saying, well, you

1242
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:03,470
Mr. Luddite, I asked Chachi PT to plan

1243
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:06,110
a trip to Fredericksburg and wineries to visit.

1244
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:07,430
I'm like, well, you're going to go have

1245
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:08,270
some crap wine.

1246
00:42:08,330 --> 00:42:09,650
I can tell you that just from looking

1247
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:11,910
at this, uh, this output here and where

1248
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:12,430
to stay.

1249
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,230
I'm like, good luck getting a room there,

1250
00:42:14,290 --> 00:42:14,710
you know?

1251
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:16,730
So yeah, no, I w I wouldn't.

1252
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:20,190
In fact, we pay an actual human, uh,

1253
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:21,750
to book our vacations.

1254
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:25,430
She charges 150 bucks, I think it's 150

1255
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:25,890
bucks.

1256
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:28,630
And, uh, and, and she says, what's your

1257
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:28,970
budget?

1258
00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:30,770
And you give her a budget and she

1259
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:31,510
has everything.

1260
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:33,750
Um, if you wanted to, she'll do the

1261
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:35,670
flights, but since we have points on credit

1262
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:36,930
cards and stuff, we do that ourself.

1263
00:42:37,450 --> 00:42:39,230
And, uh, and she comes back within a

1264
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:40,690
day or two, which is what it takes.

1265
00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:44,070
And she has a whole host of things.

1266
00:42:44,070 --> 00:42:46,150
And she knows all the players like, well,

1267
00:42:46,170 --> 00:42:47,550
if you're going on this cruise, which we're

1268
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:50,370
not, um, you know, this looks cheap, but

1269
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:52,130
wait until you have to pay for the

1270
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:55,270
meals and the premium drinks and all this

1271
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:55,570
stuff.

1272
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:57,730
And so that's a human who has experience

1273
00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:59,110
and I enjoy that very much.

1274
00:42:59,210 --> 00:43:01,430
So I, no, I would not trust chat

1275
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:03,390
GPT to do any of that for me.

1276
00:43:04,330 --> 00:43:07,030
Well, in clip two, he's talking about, uh,

1277
00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:09,610
how a Silicon Valley hijacked the normal, like

1278
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:12,970
innovation process with growth marketing.

1279
00:43:13,310 --> 00:43:17,590
You said that AI in this country was

1280
00:43:17,590 --> 00:43:20,510
just throwing a lot of money at the

1281
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:25,350
wall, seeing if some new idea would actually

1282
00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:26,130
emerge.

1283
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:31,250
Are we talking about agents that can actually

1284
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:34,390
do things for you in a predictable way?

1285
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:35,630
Are we talking about God?

1286
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:37,770
What is the new idea that they were

1287
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:40,210
hoping would emerge from throwing?

1288
00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:41,330
Stop the clip.

1289
00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:43,930
Brooke, what are you saying, Brooke?

1290
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:47,110
She's did they, they accidentally created God.

1291
00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:48,990
This is, this is like CSB.

1292
00:43:49,090 --> 00:43:50,210
It's like Brooke CSB.

1293
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:53,890
I will, I'll roll the clip back a

1294
00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:54,010
bit.

1295
00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:56,770
The, um, the agents thing, that's what, um,

1296
00:43:57,450 --> 00:44:00,250
Salesforce is touting, which to me has nothing

1297
00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:02,130
to do with artificial intelligence.

1298
00:44:02,270 --> 00:44:04,430
I know enough people inside Salesforce who've told

1299
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:06,770
me it's like, it's just some middleware that

1300
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:08,710
talks from one API to the next.

1301
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:10,090
And it's like Apple scripts.

1302
00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:11,830
You know, you can set something up and

1303
00:44:11,830 --> 00:44:13,690
then the agent, it's like a cron job.

1304
00:44:14,130 --> 00:44:14,510
There you go.

1305
00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:16,010
It's a cron job agent.

1306
00:44:16,310 --> 00:44:17,730
We have an AI agent.

1307
00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:18,850
Oh, you mean a cron job?

1308
00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:22,950
Are we talking about agents that can actually

1309
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:26,090
do things for you in a predictable way?

1310
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:27,310
Are we talking about God?

1311
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:29,450
What is the new idea that they were

1312
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:34,070
hoping would emerge from throwing billions at this

1313
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:34,450
project?

1314
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:38,050
So Silicon Valley has not really had a

1315
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:38,770
full depression.

1316
00:44:39,350 --> 00:44:41,190
We may think the dot-com bubble was

1317
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:43,010
bad, but the dot-com bubble was they

1318
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:45,850
discovered e-commerce and then ran it in

1319
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:46,790
the worst way possible.

1320
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:50,870
This is so different because if this had

1321
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:52,930
not had the hype cycle it had, we

1322
00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:54,690
probably would have ended up with an American

1323
00:44:54,690 --> 00:44:55,930
DeepSeek in five years.

1324
00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:59,810
Yeah, that's interesting.

1325
00:45:00,150 --> 00:45:01,310
I believe that.

1326
00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:05,010
Yeah, and he fleshes that out later, but

1327
00:45:05,010 --> 00:45:06,690
I thought that was a pretty good, um,

1328
00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:11,830
a pretty good insight that it's, it's because

1329
00:45:11,830 --> 00:45:17,130
of the financial hijinks and that mean, that

1330
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:21,050
meant we went down this path of, um,

1331
00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:26,310
pouring endless amounts of money into the most

1332
00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:28,510
expensive way to do this and never looked

1333
00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:29,530
for any alternative.

1334
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:32,870
Well, it's because people don't look at history.

1335
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:36,330
The people with the money are easily hoodwinked

1336
00:45:36,330 --> 00:45:37,390
with flower points.

1337
00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:39,930
I've, I've seen this myself.

1338
00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:41,790
I've raised money from venture capitalists.

1339
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:45,650
Um, it's always the hottest me too thing.

1340
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:48,850
This is how Podshow wound up being Mevio

1341
00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:51,650
because, hey man, have you seen Juiced?

1342
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:53,930
Juiced is everything's going to be like juiced.

1343
00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:54,730
You remember Juiced?

1344
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:57,190
J-O-O-S-T.

1345
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:57,890
Do you remember that?

1346
00:45:58,010 --> 00:45:58,130
Yeah.

1347
00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:01,030
It was like a peer-to-peer type

1348
00:46:01,030 --> 00:46:03,630
video streaming service that was invented by the

1349
00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:07,130
guys who did Skype and, and they were

1350
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:08,170
like, oh, you want more money?

1351
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:09,490
Well, you got to be more like Juiced.

1352
00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:10,730
It was, they're stupid.

1353
00:46:10,990 --> 00:46:12,670
It's absolutely stupid money.

1354
00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:17,610
And their whole model is built on get

1355
00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:18,350
market share.

1356
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:20,170
So how much money do you need?

1357
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,910
Oh, and, and, and as they always say,

1358
00:46:23,350 --> 00:46:25,570
the more showing a profit is a bad

1359
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:26,010
idea.

1360
00:46:26,010 --> 00:46:29,010
You've got to have substantial losses and say,

1361
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:30,850
you're going for market share, and then you'll

1362
00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:32,130
figure out the business model.

1363
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:34,410
We'll skip ahead and play clip four.

1364
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:36,050
Oh, sorry.

1365
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:36,650
It wasn't ready.

1366
00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:38,030
I didn't have it in player B.

1367
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:38,490
Here we go.

1368
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:39,050
Okay.

1369
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:42,450
Generative AI is incredibly unprofitable.

1370
00:46:42,970 --> 00:46:45,030
One dollar earned for every two and a

1371
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:47,010
quarter spent, something like that.

1372
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:48,990
Two bucks, 35 from my last estimates.

1373
00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:51,790
Open AI's board last year said they needed

1374
00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:54,170
even more capital than they had imagined.

1375
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:58,070
And the CEO, Sam Altman, recently said that

1376
00:46:58,070 --> 00:47:01,390
they're losing money on their plan to make

1377
00:47:01,390 --> 00:47:05,530
money, which is the chat GPT pro plan.

1378
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:06,230
What is that?

1379
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:09,010
So this is where the funny stuff happens.

1380
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:12,390
Open AI's premium subscriptions make up about, it's

1381
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:13,990
like 73% of their revenue.

1382
00:47:14,530 --> 00:47:16,330
The majority of their revenue does not come

1383
00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:18,370
from people actually in store using their models

1384
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:20,590
to do stuff, which should tell you everything.

1385
00:47:20,590 --> 00:47:22,650
Because if most of their money doesn't come

1386
00:47:22,650 --> 00:47:25,990
from people using their very useful, allegedly, models,

1387
00:47:26,530 --> 00:47:28,550
well, that means that they're either not charging

1388
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:30,070
enough, or they're not that useful.

1389
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:32,550
I think Altman said he wasn't charging enough.

1390
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:33,870
He isn't charging enough.

1391
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:37,490
But their premium subscriptions have limits to the

1392
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:38,810
amount that you can use them.

1393
00:47:39,130 --> 00:47:42,130
Well, their $200 a month chat GPT plus

1394
00:47:42,130 --> 00:47:44,710
subscription allows you to use their models as

1395
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:46,950
much as you'd like, and they're still losing

1396
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:47,610
money on them.

1397
00:47:47,610 --> 00:47:49,930
And the funny thing is the biggest selling

1398
00:47:49,930 --> 00:47:53,370
point is their reasoning models, 01 and 03.

1399
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:55,790
03, by the way, is their new thing

1400
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:58,010
that is just throwing even more compute at

1401
00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:58,450
the problem.

1402
00:47:58,730 --> 00:48:00,890
It's yet to prove itself to actually be

1403
00:48:00,890 --> 00:48:03,950
any different other than just slightly better at

1404
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:06,770
the benchmarks and also costing $1,000 for

1405
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:07,210
10 minutes.

1406
00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:07,950
It's insane.

1407
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:10,170
But the reason they're losing that is because

1408
00:48:10,170 --> 00:48:12,270
the way they've built their models is incredibly

1409
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:12,790
inefficient.

1410
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:15,230
And now that DeepSeek has come along, it's

1411
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:17,290
not really obvious why anyone would pay for

1412
00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:19,510
chat GPT plus at all.

1413
00:48:19,950 --> 00:48:21,850
But the fact that they can't make money

1414
00:48:21,850 --> 00:48:25,330
on a $200 a month subscription, that's the

1415
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:26,690
kind of thing that you should get fired

1416
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:27,550
from a company for.

1417
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:29,090
They should boot you out the door.

1418
00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:32,390
Well, there's two things at play here.

1419
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:34,810
One is the cost to train the model,

1420
00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:37,070
which CheapSeek claims.

1421
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:37,970
What are we drinking?

1422
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:38,790
Show beer.

1423
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:42,010
This is a LaCroix orange.

1424
00:48:42,010 --> 00:48:43,410
Oh, I like those.

1425
00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:44,230
It's a little different.

1426
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:45,430
Yeah.

1427
00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:46,730
Not as good as a vanilla, but it's

1428
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:46,910
good.

1429
00:48:47,530 --> 00:48:49,890
So one is the cost to train the

1430
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:53,850
model, which the CheapSeek Chiners say they did

1431
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:55,950
this with $5.5 million maybe.

1432
00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:59,350
You know, there's model distillation.

1433
00:48:59,490 --> 00:49:00,750
There's all kinds of things that can be

1434
00:49:00,750 --> 00:49:01,130
done.

1435
00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:03,690
And people benchmark this by saying, what is

1436
00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:04,710
this podcast about?

1437
00:49:04,810 --> 00:49:06,610
You know, okay, that's not really a benchmark.

1438
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:10,790
The second thing I believe is more complicated

1439
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:15,150
is which in theory should work.

1440
00:49:15,390 --> 00:49:17,670
It's like if now it's just to run

1441
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:18,190
the thing.

1442
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:21,830
And I think that's where they're running into

1443
00:49:21,830 --> 00:49:24,590
trouble is to run it, to run the

1444
00:49:24,590 --> 00:49:25,050
model.

1445
00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:27,530
I mean, it's just much more efficient to

1446
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:28,810
decentralize that.

1447
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:32,550
I mean, I run R1 V3 here at

1448
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:33,670
home on my start nine.

1449
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:35,670
You can load it up and the system

1450
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:36,510
does it perfectly.

1451
00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:38,770
It's not super fast, but you know, it's

1452
00:49:38,770 --> 00:49:39,890
on a start nine box.

1453
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:41,430
And you know, it's like, it's okay.

1454
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:43,910
I mean, I'm patient enough to wait and

1455
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:46,870
I'll read along with you typing your answer.

1456
00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:51,730
And that will be able to do, you

1457
00:49:51,730 --> 00:49:54,070
know, some images, which of course is really

1458
00:49:54,070 --> 00:49:55,630
where the graphics cards come in.

1459
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:59,150
So their problem is, going back to what

1460
00:49:59,150 --> 00:50:01,830
this guy says is, how useful is it?

1461
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:02,750
Is it really that?

1462
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:03,670
I mean, that's what I always say.

1463
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:05,970
It's like, okay, Darren O'Neill has been

1464
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:07,610
just knocking it out of the park on

1465
00:50:07,610 --> 00:50:08,970
creating art for no agenda.

1466
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:10,410
We have the no agenda art generator.

1467
00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:13,850
And you know, the traditional artists are on

1468
00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:16,390
blue sky now crying about how we've ruined

1469
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:17,090
their lives.

1470
00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:20,230
And to some extent, that's true.

1471
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:24,290
But you know, he has good ideas and

1472
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:26,490
he's able to prompt jockey that into good

1473
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:27,870
results typically.

1474
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:31,450
But if he had to pay $200 a

1475
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:32,510
month, he wouldn't do it.

1476
00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:35,290
Oh no, but that's what it truly costs.

1477
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:38,510
Yes, maybe more, maybe more, maybe more.

1478
00:50:39,150 --> 00:50:39,450
Right.

1479
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:41,450
And if he runs it at home, it'll

1480
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:44,110
take 10 minutes to generate the image unless

1481
00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:46,830
he gets some beefed up hardware and GPU

1482
00:50:46,830 --> 00:50:47,430
stuff.

1483
00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:51,010
So yeah, I mean, I just haven't seen

1484
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:52,610
that much goodness come out of it yet,

1485
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:54,890
particularly because of the hallucinations and the error

1486
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:55,310
rate.

1487
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:59,730
The clip five is labeled the bubble.

1488
00:51:00,170 --> 00:51:03,070
And go ahead and play that.

1489
00:51:03,350 --> 00:51:06,050
So you described at the top that this

1490
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:08,230
bubble is going to burst.

1491
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:08,990
Right?

1492
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:10,730
How do you know?

1493
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:11,810
Why is it inevitable?

1494
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:14,750
I feel it in my soul, nothing is

1495
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:15,190
inevitable.

1496
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:19,570
However, these models are not getting better.

1497
00:51:19,930 --> 00:51:22,030
They are getting around the same in different

1498
00:51:22,030 --> 00:51:22,450
ways.

1499
00:51:22,770 --> 00:51:23,930
Give me an example of that.

1500
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:27,210
I mean, they're only getting better at benchmarks.

1501
00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:30,610
Their actual ability to do new stuff, nothing

1502
00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:31,750
new has happened.

1503
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:33,830
Look at what happened with Operator, their so

1504
00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:34,710
-called agent.

1505
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:36,270
Operator is open AIs.

1506
00:51:36,430 --> 00:51:38,150
It doesn't work, it sucks.

1507
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:39,990
You can use it if you use the

1508
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:40,230
chat.

1509
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:42,050
Thank you for your scientific insight.

1510
00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:44,830
Have you ever tried to use it?

1511
00:51:45,310 --> 00:51:46,430
Yeah, it doesn't work very well.

1512
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:49,110
It sometimes does not understand what it's looking

1513
00:51:49,110 --> 00:51:50,290
at and just stops.

1514
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:52,910
It's just really funny that this company is

1515
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:54,590
worth $150 billion.

1516
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:58,170
Every single time they release a product, there's

1517
00:51:58,170 --> 00:52:00,010
no new capabilities.

1518
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:02,810
Operator by comparison for open AI is pretty

1519
00:52:02,810 --> 00:52:05,010
exciting in the sense that it did something

1520
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:07,310
slightly different and also doesn't work.

1521
00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:08,430
You know, I wonder...

1522
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:11,250
It's good, this is good.

1523
00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:13,290
It did something slightly different but also doesn't

1524
00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:13,570
work.

1525
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:16,210
I mean, the real problem here is the

1526
00:52:16,210 --> 00:52:16,630
positioning.

1527
00:52:16,810 --> 00:52:18,390
They never should have come out with chat

1528
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:20,810
GPT calling it artificial intelligence.

1529
00:52:21,090 --> 00:52:23,070
That set the benchmark to such a...

1530
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:25,750
It was a bad, bad, bad marketing strategy.

1531
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:30,650
Whereas I use, under the marketing heading of

1532
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:33,650
artificial intelligence, I use it three, four times

1533
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:36,090
a week for transcripts and it's pretty decent.

1534
00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:37,630
But is that intelligence?

1535
00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:41,770
No, it's voice recognition, which has been around

1536
00:52:41,770 --> 00:52:45,530
since IBM sold that silly headset with...

1537
00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:47,670
What was that thing called?

1538
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:48,450
I bought one.

1539
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:50,710
And you got your floppy disk to load

1540
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:53,810
the software and you could go, Hello, comma.

1541
00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:56,390
And you had to do spaces between each

1542
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:57,710
words, you know, like...

1543
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:57,810
Period.

1544
00:52:57,890 --> 00:53:02,150
Here is a brisket...

1545
00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:04,690
Backspace, backspace, backspace.

1546
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:06,410
Updates.

1547
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:06,910
Dragon, that's what he said.

1548
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:07,790
Yeah, dragon.

1549
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:08,810
Exactly, dragon.

1550
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:10,730
It just got better with speed.

1551
00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:12,210
And so it's okay.

1552
00:53:12,550 --> 00:53:14,490
And, you know, did I tell you the...

1553
00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:16,110
Well, I don't want to interrupt your flow,

1554
00:53:16,210 --> 00:53:17,330
but remind me to tell you about my

1555
00:53:17,330 --> 00:53:18,570
art experiment that I did.

1556
00:53:19,610 --> 00:53:19,930
Oh, okay.

1557
00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:21,250
Yeah, the...

1558
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:26,150
So this reminds me and it hit me.

1559
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:28,990
It reminds me of Clubhouse.

1560
00:53:28,990 --> 00:53:31,470
Yeah, whoo!

1561
00:53:32,590 --> 00:53:33,270
That's going to...

1562
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:34,970
This is the new podcasting.

1563
00:53:35,050 --> 00:53:35,410
This is...

1564
00:53:35,410 --> 00:53:36,450
Everyone's going to be doing this.

1565
00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:37,190
This is podcast.

1566
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:38,290
This is podcasting.

1567
00:53:38,350 --> 00:53:40,130
Hey, let me do the podcast keynote at

1568
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:43,530
the podcast conference, because I'm the guy behind.

1569
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:48,770
So clip five and a half.

1570
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:49,470
Play that.

1571
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:51,150
So what's the end game here?

1572
00:53:51,630 --> 00:53:55,510
The end game was Microsoft saw ChatGPT was

1573
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:58,070
big and went, damn, we've got to make

1574
00:53:58,070 --> 00:53:59,710
sure that's in Bing because it seems really

1575
00:53:59,710 --> 00:54:00,110
smart.

1576
00:54:01,310 --> 00:54:06,310
Google released Gemini because Microsoft invested in open

1577
00:54:06,310 --> 00:54:07,930
AI and they wanted to do the same

1578
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:08,210
thing.

1579
00:54:08,590 --> 00:54:10,310
Meta added a large language model.

1580
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:12,270
They created an open source one themselves, Lama.

1581
00:54:12,590 --> 00:54:14,270
And they did that because everyone else was

1582
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:17,130
doing GPT and transformer-based models and generative

1583
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:17,370
AI.

1584
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:19,710
Everyone just does the same thing in this

1585
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:20,130
industry.

1586
00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:22,530
No one was thinking, can this actually do

1587
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:22,670
it?

1588
00:54:22,750 --> 00:54:24,870
They all tell the same lies.

1589
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:27,690
Sundar Pichai went up at Google IO, the

1590
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:30,190
developer conference, and told this story about how

1591
00:54:30,190 --> 00:54:32,350
an agent would help you return your shoes.

1592
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:33,490
Took a few minutes.

1593
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:34,890
He went through this thing, talking about how

1594
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:36,770
it would autonomously go into your email and

1595
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:38,630
get you the return thing just handed to

1596
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:38,730
you.

1597
00:54:38,770 --> 00:54:39,290
It'd be amazing.

1598
00:54:39,550 --> 00:54:41,070
And then ended it by saying, this is

1599
00:54:41,070 --> 00:54:41,890
totally theoretical.

1600
00:54:43,330 --> 00:54:47,090
They are making stuff up, have put a

1601
00:54:47,090 --> 00:54:49,650
lot of money into it, and now they

1602
00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:50,690
don't know what to do.

1603
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:52,710
All the king's horses and all the king's

1604
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:55,130
men don't seem to be able to get

1605
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:58,050
the valley to spit out one meaningful, mass

1606
00:54:58,050 --> 00:55:02,110
market, useful product that actually changes the world

1607
00:55:02,110 --> 00:55:04,930
other than damaging our power grid, stealing from

1608
00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:07,110
millions of people, and boiling lakes.

1609
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:11,510
I thought you might like the boiling lakes.

1610
00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:12,270
Yeah, that's perfect.

1611
00:55:13,630 --> 00:55:15,050
But this is clubhouse though.

1612
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:16,950
It is totally clubhouse.

1613
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:23,530
The whole podcast industry poured money into replicating

1614
00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:24,210
clubhouse.

1615
00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:25,470
Twitter did it.

1616
00:55:26,050 --> 00:55:28,270
Spotify did it with Green Room.

1617
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:31,850
Everybody was just obsessed for about a year

1618
00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:35,530
with clubhouse, live podcast rooms.

1619
00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:37,870
And then it just vanished.

1620
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:40,290
Yes.

1621
00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:44,430
And it's funny because our lit tag with

1622
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:47,110
the IRC chat is very successful.

1623
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:48,150
Yeah.

1624
00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:49,510
Highly successful.

1625
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:51,350
Thousands of people use it.

1626
00:55:54,310 --> 00:55:56,710
So the thing that is being touted, because

1627
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:58,290
of course I follow this and I am

1628
00:55:58,290 --> 00:56:02,650
the AI skeptic, is cancer research.

1629
00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:06,530
And this is what Larry, I mean, I

1630
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:07,830
played the whole Larry Ellis.

1631
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:09,090
I think, didn't we play some of that

1632
00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:11,270
on the board meeting where he's like, oh

1633
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:15,850
yeah, basically just, the doctor won't have to

1634
00:56:15,850 --> 00:56:16,730
think about this.

1635
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:18,170
It'll send it off to the pharmacy.

1636
00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:20,270
And like, okay, you just built middleware that

1637
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:21,690
connects APIs, fine.

1638
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:25,410
But I've talked to a medical imaging guy

1639
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:30,070
and I said, so how's AI?

1640
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:32,310
He says, well, they're just putting AI labels

1641
00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:33,890
on stuff that we've been working on for

1642
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:37,950
decades, which is algorithms, you know, computer out.

1643
00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:42,130
And of course, with more speed, whether you

1644
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:43,390
use a GPU or not.

1645
00:56:43,450 --> 00:56:44,990
I mean, it's like ASICs essentially.

1646
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:47,350
ASICs for mining is, you know, very powerful

1647
00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:49,750
for one specific task.

1648
00:56:51,010 --> 00:56:54,210
And so they use the, I forget what's

1649
00:56:54,210 --> 00:56:54,670
the algorithm.

1650
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:56,230
It's the same thing that we use on

1651
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:56,930
ham radio.

1652
00:56:57,430 --> 00:57:00,390
I mean, with 12 Watts, I can send

1653
00:57:00,390 --> 00:57:02,170
my signal around the globe.

1654
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:06,490
Someone in Japan can, listens to the signal

1655
00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:09,810
and translates that into computer data and then

1656
00:57:09,810 --> 00:57:11,630
can pick out my signal from something which

1657
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:15,110
is completely inaudible because of the algorithm.

1658
00:57:16,050 --> 00:57:18,250
And so they've just improved algorithms.

1659
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:20,390
And so, yeah, now you can detect things

1660
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:22,570
you couldn't maybe see before in an image

1661
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:24,250
or maybe will never be able to see

1662
00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:25,930
with your human eye, but it may be

1663
00:57:25,930 --> 00:57:26,470
in there.

1664
00:57:26,830 --> 00:57:28,570
And he says that just putting labels on

1665
00:57:28,570 --> 00:57:30,310
it and charging three times the amount.

1666
00:57:31,350 --> 00:57:34,630
Well, I know one of my friends, his

1667
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:37,850
wife is a skin pathologist.

1668
00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:41,990
And she was telling us a while back,

1669
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:47,690
she said, you know, what often happens in

1670
00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:50,830
pathology is you're looking at a slide, you're

1671
00:57:50,830 --> 00:57:54,570
looking at a cell culture or excuse me,

1672
00:57:54,590 --> 00:57:55,290
a biopsy.

1673
00:57:56,070 --> 00:58:00,510
And you really cannot, it's 50-50 whether

1674
00:58:00,510 --> 00:58:01,590
or not this is cancer.

1675
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:02,370
Yeah.

1676
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:08,010
And the only thing, it's basically a coin

1677
00:58:08,010 --> 00:58:08,430
toss.

1678
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:13,510
And what matters is okay, is this a

1679
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:16,590
biopsy from the cheek of a 22-year

1680
00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:17,070
-old girl?

1681
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:18,090
Right.

1682
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:20,390
Well, if that's the case and you say

1683
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:22,270
this is cancer and they go and cut

1684
00:58:22,270 --> 00:58:24,430
this out, it could disfigure her forever.

1685
00:58:24,790 --> 00:58:26,690
And was it really malignant?

1686
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:27,330
Yeah.

1687
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:28,110
You don't know.

1688
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:31,090
Like you're not gonna leave those decisions up

1689
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:32,290
to a computer.

1690
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:34,710
You're just not going to.

1691
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:41,090
So what I like is clip six where

1692
00:58:41,090 --> 00:58:42,030
they talk about Stargate.

1693
00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:43,390
Okay.

1694
00:58:43,550 --> 00:58:44,990
The Trump Stargate.

1695
00:58:45,170 --> 00:58:45,350
Yeah.

1696
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:47,590
Was that a cue?

1697
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:48,430
Okay, yes, cue.

1698
00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:54,030
Last week, Trump announced a $500 billion AI

1699
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:58,070
infrastructure plan called the Stargate Project, along with

1700
00:58:58,070 --> 00:59:01,830
the CEOs of OpenAI, Oracle and SoftBank.

1701
00:59:02,550 --> 00:59:04,690
And though it was announced at the White

1702
00:59:04,690 --> 00:59:06,850
House, it's privately funded.

1703
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:09,450
President Trump still kind of wants to put

1704
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:10,350
his brand on it.

1705
00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:12,390
Is this about him wanting to tap into

1706
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:15,170
that sweet, sweet masculine energy?

1707
00:59:15,550 --> 00:59:19,310
Oh, this is what you do, by the

1708
00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:19,530
way.

1709
00:59:19,650 --> 00:59:19,990
Of course.

1710
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:21,270
It was a press conference.

1711
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:23,170
This is what you do as president.

1712
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:23,730
Of course.

1713
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:25,790
Hey, look at this Japanese guy.

1714
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:29,410
He's going to put $100 billion, maybe, maybe

1715
00:59:29,410 --> 00:59:30,470
not, into something.

1716
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:31,310
Yeah, yes.

1717
00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:34,490
No, it's that sweet, sweet masculine energy, Brooke.

1718
00:59:34,850 --> 00:59:37,090
No, it's just Trump doing what Trump does,

1719
00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:39,290
which is getting other people to do stuff

1720
00:59:39,290 --> 00:59:40,790
and then taking credit.

1721
00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:43,070
There's no public money in it.

1722
00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:45,150
And in fact, there's another little wrinkle.

1723
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:47,090
So it's not $500 billion.

1724
00:59:47,310 --> 00:59:48,770
It's up to $500 billion.

1725
00:59:49,050 --> 00:59:50,530
Another weird detail as well.

1726
00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:55,070
OpenAI has pledged to give $19 billion, according

1727
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:57,470
to the information, which they plan to raise

1728
00:59:57,470 --> 01:00:00,350
through an equity sale and debt.

1729
01:00:00,850 --> 01:00:02,950
Their largest round they've raised is $6 billion.

1730
01:00:03,350 --> 01:00:05,550
Their company loses $5 billion a year.

1731
01:00:06,010 --> 01:00:07,310
What is going on?

1732
01:00:07,310 --> 01:00:09,550
Why do I have to talk about this

1733
01:00:09,550 --> 01:00:11,390
nonsense with a straight face?

1734
01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:13,290
It's all a performance.

1735
01:00:13,810 --> 01:00:15,250
They're all tap dancing.

1736
01:00:15,590 --> 01:00:17,610
And then DeepSea came along and did this

1737
01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:19,610
and freaked them out so much because the

1738
01:00:19,610 --> 01:00:20,590
whole thing's hollow.

1739
01:00:22,590 --> 01:00:24,930
I like the up to, it's up to

1740
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:29,770
$500 billion, because that's the podcast industry guaranteed

1741
01:00:29,770 --> 01:00:30,550
minimum trick.

1742
01:00:31,770 --> 01:00:33,150
Yes, exactly.

1743
01:00:33,330 --> 01:00:35,970
Yeah, it's always up to $60 million.

1744
01:00:35,970 --> 01:00:37,730
That's exactly what it is.

1745
01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:38,450
Oh, goodness.

1746
01:00:44,790 --> 01:00:47,930
So I like, if you want to skip

1747
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:49,930
to- Well, I want them all, man.

1748
01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:50,710
I want to hear them all.

1749
01:00:50,770 --> 01:00:51,290
Are you kidding me?

1750
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:52,350
This is dynamite.

1751
01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,230
And I'm stealing all these for no agenda

1752
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:54,770
on Sunday.

1753
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:55,310
This is great.

1754
01:00:55,390 --> 01:00:56,210
Thanks for doing the work.

1755
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:58,490
Yeah, it's my pleasure.

1756
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:59,290
Value for value.

1757
01:01:00,570 --> 01:01:07,770
Clip seven is how DeepSea, so they exposed

1758
01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:11,530
all of the incestuous financial sort of curtains

1759
01:01:12,590 --> 01:01:16,710
that have shrouded the AI bubble in typical

1760
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:17,830
Silicon Valley fashion.

1761
01:01:18,090 --> 01:01:20,790
Ah, this is the climate gate of artificial

1762
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:21,450
intelligence.

1763
01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:22,410
Yes.

1764
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:22,950
Okay.

1765
01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:24,530
It's an actual gloss onion.

1766
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:28,030
After the announcement of the Stargate project, Elon

1767
01:01:28,030 --> 01:01:31,310
Musk took to social media to criticize the

1768
01:01:31,310 --> 01:01:31,670
project.

1769
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:33,850
After all, he has his own AI empire.

1770
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:39,130
I wonder, does DeepSea threaten all AI tech

1771
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:40,230
companies equally?

1772
01:01:40,830 --> 01:01:43,370
Every single one, because they're all building the

1773
01:01:43,370 --> 01:01:43,930
same thing.

1774
01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:47,210
There's very little difference between GPT-4.0,

1775
01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:50,770
OpenAI's model, and Anthropic's Claude Sonnet 3.5,

1776
01:01:50,970 --> 01:01:52,350
and Google Gemini.

1777
01:01:52,570 --> 01:01:55,110
There are various versions of them, but they're

1778
01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:56,350
all kind of the same.

1779
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:59,930
So DeepSea's V3 model is the one that's

1780
01:01:59,930 --> 01:02:00,850
competitive with all those.

1781
01:02:00,850 --> 01:02:02,790
And it's like 50 times cheaper.

1782
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:04,070
It's so much cheaper.

1783
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:06,250
And now it's open source, so everyone can

1784
01:02:06,250 --> 01:02:06,750
build that.

1785
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:09,710
Now, Elon Musk's situation is even weirder.

1786
01:02:10,050 --> 01:02:13,230
He just bought 100,000 GPUs with Dell.

1787
01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:14,170
Very bizarre.

1788
01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:16,190
A partnership with Michael Dell there.

1789
01:02:16,610 --> 01:02:17,150
Dell makes them?

1790
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:19,210
Dell makes the server architecture.

1791
01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:20,410
They go inside.

1792
01:02:20,730 --> 01:02:22,330
So Dell had the data center.

1793
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:27,490
But nevertheless, Grok and x.ai, Grok being

1794
01:02:27,490 --> 01:02:30,370
the chatbot that is attached to Twitter, it's

1795
01:02:30,370 --> 01:02:32,910
not actually really obvious what any of that

1796
01:02:32,910 --> 01:02:33,950
is meant to do.

1797
01:02:34,090 --> 01:02:36,410
Kind of similar to how the AI additions

1798
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:40,390
to Facebook and WhatsApp and Instagram don't really

1799
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:41,350
make any sense either.

1800
01:02:41,610 --> 01:02:43,290
But it's actually good to bring that up

1801
01:02:43,290 --> 01:02:46,410
because everyone is directionlessly following this.

1802
01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:48,890
They're like, we're all doing large language models,

1803
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:49,190
right?

1804
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:50,530
We're all going to do the same thing,

1805
01:02:50,570 --> 01:02:50,770
right?

1806
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:52,530
Just like they did with the metaverse.

1807
01:02:52,930 --> 01:02:54,710
Now, Google did stay out of the metaverse,

1808
01:02:54,830 --> 01:02:55,230
by the way.

1809
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:58,110
Microsoft bought bloody Activision and wrote metaverse on

1810
01:02:58,110 --> 01:02:58,530
the side.

1811
01:02:59,170 --> 01:03:01,930
Mark Zuckerberg lost like $45 billion on the

1812
01:03:01,930 --> 01:03:02,330
metaverse.

1813
01:03:02,730 --> 01:03:04,770
And putting aside the hyperscalers, there were like

1814
01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:07,150
hundreds of startups that raised billions of dollars

1815
01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:09,910
for the metaverse because everyone's just following each

1816
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:10,190
other.

1817
01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:12,450
The valley is despicable right now.

1818
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:15,230
It's full of people that build things because

1819
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:16,590
everyone else is building something.

1820
01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:18,470
They don't build things to solve real problems.

1821
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:19,890
And I think this is actually a larger

1822
01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:21,010
economic problem too.

1823
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:22,750
Why is AI in everything?

1824
01:03:23,290 --> 01:03:24,530
No one bloody knows.

1825
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:25,410
Yeah, I do.

1826
01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:28,450
Because the stock market needs the mag seven

1827
01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:30,790
to keep it propped up and keep everyone

1828
01:03:30,790 --> 01:03:31,750
fat and happy.

1829
01:03:31,870 --> 01:03:33,130
And that's exactly what it is.

1830
01:03:33,150 --> 01:03:34,650
And I'm still waiting for the pivot to

1831
01:03:34,650 --> 01:03:35,070
quantum.

1832
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:39,150
Well, because we got millions of baby boomers

1833
01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:41,910
to support for the next, you know, 20

1834
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:42,410
years.

1835
01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:45,030
So you got to keep the stock market

1836
01:03:45,030 --> 01:03:46,050
and the 401ks going.

1837
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:47,390
401ks going, yeah, exactly.

1838
01:03:47,590 --> 01:03:50,330
Yeah, and the automatic investing of the, you

1839
01:03:50,330 --> 01:03:53,490
know, the target date funds and all this.

1840
01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:54,990
It's all financial shenanigans.

1841
01:03:54,990 --> 01:03:56,990
Yeah, breaking news.

1842
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:57,950
It's all breaking news.

1843
01:03:59,370 --> 01:04:00,550
Breaking news, Dave.

1844
01:04:00,630 --> 01:04:01,210
Breaking news.

1845
01:04:01,950 --> 01:04:03,950
You know, clip eight is...

1846
01:04:05,530 --> 01:04:06,690
These are good, by the way.

1847
01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:07,890
I really appreciate this.

1848
01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:08,450
This is good.

1849
01:04:09,050 --> 01:04:12,610
Because you can apply this to the endless

1850
01:04:12,610 --> 01:04:15,950
video versus audio podcasting conversation.

1851
01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:18,230
It's the same bull crap.

1852
01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:21,970
And, you know, Dan Granger, who does the

1853
01:04:21,970 --> 01:04:23,770
Media Roundtable, I like him actually.

1854
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:24,470
You know, we're on very...

1855
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:25,830
I want to have him on the show.

1856
01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:26,690
I want him on the show.

1857
01:04:26,810 --> 01:04:27,530
Let's do that.

1858
01:04:27,790 --> 01:04:30,070
Because, yes, I'll reach out to him and

1859
01:04:30,070 --> 01:04:30,730
ask him to be on our show.

1860
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:33,390
Because, you know, he pinged me.

1861
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:34,550
He said, you know, we're going to do

1862
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:38,050
a whole series on video versus audio.

1863
01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:39,770
And he's on the audio side, by the

1864
01:04:39,770 --> 01:04:39,930
way.

1865
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:41,290
Yeah, I know that.

1866
01:04:42,110 --> 01:04:43,190
And he said, we can do a whole

1867
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:43,630
series.

1868
01:04:43,870 --> 01:04:45,610
And I'm like, I'm not going to sit

1869
01:04:45,610 --> 01:04:47,750
in one of these for eight weeks in

1870
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:49,610
a row talking about this nonsense.

1871
01:04:50,110 --> 01:04:52,150
I can come in and say, it's bull

1872
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:52,470
crap.

1873
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:53,510
Thank you very much.

1874
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:54,530
I'll see you next week.

1875
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:57,070
Because that's what it is.

1876
01:04:57,170 --> 01:05:00,230
And it was beautiful to hear Power today,

1877
01:05:01,210 --> 01:05:05,270
as Sam and James were talking about video.

1878
01:05:05,890 --> 01:05:08,910
And so, of course, it's all about the

1879
01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:09,430
research.

1880
01:05:09,550 --> 01:05:10,930
I mean, as long as you pump out

1881
01:05:10,930 --> 01:05:13,110
white papers as shills in the New York

1882
01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:16,910
Times or New York Magazine or Wired or

1883
01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:18,090
what's the...

1884
01:05:19,690 --> 01:05:20,170
Vox.

1885
01:05:20,290 --> 01:05:21,610
No, what's the other one I'm thinking of?

1886
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:22,250
What's the...

1887
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:22,550
The information?

1888
01:05:22,550 --> 01:05:24,390
No, I'm thinking about...

1889
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:24,690
Cinema 4?

1890
01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:28,190
No, the one that Nilay Patel is...

1891
01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:28,890
Oh, The Verge.

1892
01:05:28,970 --> 01:05:29,730
The Verge.

1893
01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:30,290
Thank you.

1894
01:05:30,690 --> 01:05:32,670
You know, just keep pumping out research.

1895
01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:35,090
And of course, Google is funding a lot

1896
01:05:35,090 --> 01:05:35,450
of this.

1897
01:05:35,490 --> 01:05:36,290
There's no doubt.

1898
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:39,250
Let's do some more white papers.

1899
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:42,070
Let's show everyone that podcasting only happens on

1900
01:05:42,070 --> 01:05:43,010
YouTube.

1901
01:05:43,650 --> 01:05:44,150
And then we...

1902
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:47,370
And I'll say we collectively devolve into an

1903
01:05:47,370 --> 01:05:49,950
endless conversation about, well, they're not really watching.

1904
01:05:50,090 --> 01:05:50,770
They're doing this.

1905
01:05:50,830 --> 01:05:51,850
It's the everything app.

1906
01:05:52,550 --> 01:05:54,990
But when it really gets down to it,

1907
01:05:55,470 --> 01:05:58,270
we're going back to the 1950s with this

1908
01:05:58,270 --> 01:05:58,990
conversation.

1909
01:06:00,490 --> 01:06:04,430
MTV did not kill the radio star.

1910
01:06:04,550 --> 01:06:05,330
It did not.

1911
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:10,470
In fact, radio had an incredible boom with

1912
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:11,390
MTV.

1913
01:06:11,590 --> 01:06:12,810
It worked beautifully.

1914
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:13,490
Oh, I bet.

1915
01:06:13,650 --> 01:06:16,390
In concert, they worked very well together.

1916
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:20,070
And, you know, radio, it's still...

1917
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:24,710
Audio is still a significant...

1918
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:27,070
It always will be a significant piece in

1919
01:06:27,070 --> 01:06:27,890
people's...

1920
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:28,370
I mean, go ahead.

1921
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:31,610
Would you watch a guy reading an audio

1922
01:06:31,610 --> 01:06:32,010
book?

1923
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:37,150
That's basically what a video podcast is.

1924
01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:39,490
And it's just research papers.

1925
01:06:39,830 --> 01:06:41,550
And, you know, and then, you know, James

1926
01:06:41,550 --> 01:06:43,150
is always saying, we should have a podcast

1927
01:06:43,150 --> 01:06:44,490
advertising bureau.

1928
01:06:44,650 --> 01:06:45,470
Well, yeah, we should.

1929
01:06:45,930 --> 01:06:47,210
No one seems to want to do it.

1930
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:48,230
I'm not going to do it.

1931
01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:52,430
But, you know, it's just marketing.

1932
01:06:52,690 --> 01:06:54,290
It's marketing, marketing, marketing.

1933
01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:56,290
And people fall into it and they believe

1934
01:06:56,290 --> 01:06:56,690
it.

1935
01:06:56,790 --> 01:06:59,290
And then, you know, we all buy cameras

1936
01:06:59,290 --> 01:07:01,070
and, you know, whoa, we got to do

1937
01:07:01,070 --> 01:07:01,450
this.

1938
01:07:02,050 --> 01:07:03,990
And it's just not true.

1939
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:05,610
It's just not true.

1940
01:07:05,690 --> 01:07:06,890
But it does hurt.

1941
01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:11,690
It hurts people who are dependent upon advertising.

1942
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:14,250
So it definitely hurts.

1943
01:07:14,350 --> 01:07:17,010
Anyway, so it's more of the same.

1944
01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:18,390
It's a follow me.

1945
01:07:18,530 --> 01:07:20,030
It's a me too type thing.

1946
01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:22,410
And that's also, in a way, uniquely American.

1947
01:07:23,330 --> 01:07:26,110
You know, I remember living in the Netherlands

1948
01:07:26,110 --> 01:07:28,190
and people said, when I was a kid,

1949
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:31,450
like, wow, man, people in America are strange.

1950
01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:32,030
What do you mean?

1951
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:36,110
Well, they pay $100 for sneakers and they

1952
01:07:36,110 --> 01:07:38,390
carry water in a plastic bottle that they

1953
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:39,810
buy for, at the time, $2.

1954
01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:42,950
And the Europeans couldn't understand it.

1955
01:07:42,990 --> 01:07:44,870
It's like, it's just sneakers, right?

1956
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:45,730
Yeah, but it says Nike.

1957
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:46,790
Okay.

1958
01:07:48,050 --> 01:07:49,830
And then what's up with the water?

1959
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:51,530
Well, I mean, it's better water.

1960
01:07:52,830 --> 01:07:56,550
This is what I tell Melissa all the

1961
01:07:56,550 --> 01:07:59,350
time, is if you, when she, my wife,

1962
01:07:59,370 --> 01:08:01,930
when she sells her art, I'm like, you,

1963
01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:06,610
the American mentality is, the cheaper it is,

1964
01:08:06,970 --> 01:08:08,410
the less desirable it is.

1965
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:08,930
That's right.

1966
01:08:08,970 --> 01:08:10,910
You got to charge more, check that price

1967
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:11,190
up, baby.

1968
01:08:11,230 --> 01:08:11,630
Exactly.

1969
01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:13,050
Do you need me to talk to her?

1970
01:08:13,070 --> 01:08:14,490
Because I know how to talk about that.

1971
01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:14,830
Yeah.

1972
01:08:15,649 --> 01:08:17,310
Make it more expensive, man.

1973
01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:17,830
Yes.

1974
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:18,310
It's quality.

1975
01:08:18,430 --> 01:08:19,390
It's a quality signal.

1976
01:08:19,670 --> 01:08:20,430
Yes, exactly.

1977
01:08:20,649 --> 01:08:21,529
Oh, it's expensive.

1978
01:08:21,609 --> 01:08:22,270
It must be good.

1979
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:23,050
Yeah, precisely.

1980
01:08:23,670 --> 01:08:24,109
Precisely.

1981
01:08:24,689 --> 01:08:25,069
Clip eight.

1982
01:08:25,410 --> 01:08:27,590
Deep Seek has proven that this can be

1983
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:29,330
done cheaper and more efficiently.

1984
01:08:29,850 --> 01:08:31,990
They've not proven there's a new business model.

1985
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:34,010
They've not made any new features.

1986
01:08:34,510 --> 01:08:36,790
And there's an argument right now, a very

1987
01:08:36,790 --> 01:08:39,069
annoying argument, where it says, well, if the

1988
01:08:39,069 --> 01:08:42,010
price comes down, right, that means that more

1989
01:08:42,010 --> 01:08:43,810
things will happen because more people will say,

1990
01:08:43,810 --> 01:08:46,670
Yevon's Paradox was quoted by Satya Nadella, and

1991
01:08:46,670 --> 01:08:48,850
Yevon's Paradox says, well, as the price of

1992
01:08:48,850 --> 01:08:51,830
a resource comes down, so the use of

1993
01:08:51,830 --> 01:08:52,450
it increases.

1994
01:08:52,750 --> 01:08:54,290
That's not what's going to happen here.

1995
01:08:54,710 --> 01:08:56,790
No one has been not using generative AI

1996
01:08:56,790 --> 01:08:57,830
because it was too expensive.

1997
01:08:58,210 --> 01:09:00,450
In fact, these companies have burned billions of

1998
01:09:00,450 --> 01:09:01,350
dollars doing so.

1999
01:09:01,630 --> 01:09:04,790
A third of venture funding in 2024 went

2000
01:09:04,790 --> 01:09:05,430
into AI.

2001
01:09:05,710 --> 01:09:07,229
These companies have not been poor.

2002
01:09:07,689 --> 01:09:09,710
And now we're in this weird situation where

2003
01:09:09,710 --> 01:09:12,090
we might have to accept, oh, I don't

2004
01:09:12,090 --> 01:09:12,370
know.

2005
01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:15,250
Maybe this isn't a multi-trillion dollar business.

2006
01:09:15,390 --> 01:09:17,010
Had they treated it as a smaller one,

2007
01:09:17,050 --> 01:09:18,390
had they said this might be like a

2008
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:20,830
$50 billion industry, they would have gone about

2009
01:09:20,830 --> 01:09:21,750
it a completely different way.

2010
01:09:21,810 --> 01:09:23,930
They never would have put billions of dollars

2011
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:24,550
into GPUs.

2012
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:26,430
They might have put a few billion and

2013
01:09:26,430 --> 01:09:29,130
then focused up, kind of like how DeepSea

2014
01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:30,850
went, we only have so many and they

2015
01:09:30,850 --> 01:09:32,130
only do so much, so we will do

2016
01:09:32,130 --> 01:09:33,050
more with them.

2017
01:09:33,490 --> 01:09:36,410
No, American startups became fat and happy.

2018
01:09:36,609 --> 01:09:38,670
But even when you put that aside, there

2019
01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:40,830
was never a business model with this.

2020
01:09:40,830 --> 01:09:44,130
Come on, it's just so dull.

2021
01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:47,490
Give me real innovation, not this warmed up

2022
01:09:47,490 --> 01:09:48,029
nonsense.

2023
01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:50,270
I like that he has that British accent

2024
01:09:50,270 --> 01:09:51,910
because that's so much more believable.

2025
01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:54,750
You know, that's what the news does.

2026
01:09:54,810 --> 01:09:56,090
Oh, it's a guy with the British accent.

2027
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:57,250
Oh, this must be true.

2028
01:09:57,850 --> 01:09:59,150
And so I like it.

2029
01:09:59,310 --> 01:10:00,630
Yeah, he's very legit, this guy.

2030
01:10:01,730 --> 01:10:04,930
Yeah, I liked what he's saying here because

2031
01:10:04,930 --> 01:10:09,810
I think what he's saying is the Silicon

2032
01:10:09,810 --> 01:10:13,130
Valley is addicted to hyper profit and it

2033
01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:15,590
ruins everything they attempt to do.

2034
01:10:16,090 --> 01:10:18,890
If they were sane, if Silicon Valley was

2035
01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:23,190
sane and not financially warped, I consider them

2036
01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:25,510
to be financially warped in the same way

2037
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:28,990
that the military industrial complex is financially warped.

2038
01:10:29,610 --> 01:10:33,410
But Boeing, Raytheon, these companies are no longer

2039
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:39,330
able to actually price things in a way

2040
01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:42,250
that a real market would understand.

2041
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:46,270
They've been so warped by government money that

2042
01:10:46,270 --> 01:10:49,690
they've just lost the ability to participate in

2043
01:10:49,690 --> 01:10:51,430
anything that resembles a free market.

2044
01:10:52,410 --> 01:10:54,390
And that's the way that Silicon Valley is.

2045
01:10:54,670 --> 01:10:58,990
They can't understand that some things are just

2046
01:10:58,990 --> 01:11:02,730
maybe a $10 million industry instead of a

2047
01:11:02,730 --> 01:11:04,130
$5 billion industry.

2048
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:07,690
Well, so and to answer Selassie's question, he's

2049
01:11:07,690 --> 01:11:09,190
like, well, a lot of AI talk, not

2050
01:11:09,190 --> 01:11:11,850
much about podcasting 2.0. Well, we're relating

2051
01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:13,550
it to the business that we are in.

2052
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:19,470
And I'm not surprised, but the whole idea

2053
01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:22,770
that this was the podcast election, which was

2054
01:11:22,770 --> 01:11:28,770
combated very, very heavily by established mainstream media

2055
01:11:28,770 --> 01:11:35,230
outlets has not resulted in any projection of

2056
01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:38,610
higher, except for Prof G, in higher, he

2057
01:11:38,610 --> 01:11:39,790
thinks it's going to be a trillion dollar

2058
01:11:39,790 --> 01:11:42,710
business for some reason, in any higher revenues

2059
01:11:42,710 --> 01:11:43,590
or anything.

2060
01:11:44,710 --> 01:11:47,430
You know, these are all market forces.

2061
01:11:49,890 --> 01:11:53,510
And podcasting, even this $1.9 billion or

2062
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:56,550
$2 billion, forget the billions, forget about it.

2063
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:57,390
Who gives a crap?

2064
01:11:58,190 --> 01:11:59,070
That's what's so beautiful.

2065
01:11:59,070 --> 01:12:02,110
That's why podcasting is still here, because it's

2066
01:12:02,110 --> 01:12:03,110
not about money.

2067
01:12:04,110 --> 01:12:07,050
The market forces have always tried to make

2068
01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:07,730
it about money.

2069
01:12:07,810 --> 01:12:10,070
And who has the most viewers or listeners

2070
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:12,610
or subscribers or likers or whatever?

2071
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:14,510
And who makes the most money?

2072
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:16,590
Which is also a lot of lies going

2073
01:12:16,590 --> 01:12:17,030
on there.

2074
01:12:18,510 --> 01:12:21,650
It's a communications channel that is rock solid.

2075
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:22,990
That's what it is.

2076
01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:25,730
I spent the first 15 minutes of the

2077
01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:28,450
show talking about Eero and decentralizing pod paying.

2078
01:12:28,990 --> 01:12:31,490
30 minutes, 30 minutes, not even 15.

2079
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:40,990
You know, play ISO, that seems kind of

2080
01:12:40,990 --> 01:12:41,250
stupid.

2081
01:12:42,190 --> 01:12:43,590
That seems kind of stupid.

2082
01:12:44,830 --> 01:12:45,310
Okay.

2083
01:12:45,690 --> 01:12:47,070
That seems kind of stupid.

2084
01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:50,570
Ah, you need to edit that a little

2085
01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:50,810
bit.

2086
01:12:51,250 --> 01:12:52,570
I tried to tighten it up.

2087
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:52,830
Okay.

2088
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:53,710
I can do that.

2089
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:54,510
Don't worry about it.

2090
01:12:54,510 --> 01:13:00,390
The clip nine is, I think, maybe the

2091
01:13:00,390 --> 01:13:01,870
quintessential clip.

2092
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:05,210
So there will be tens of thousands of

2093
01:13:05,210 --> 01:13:07,430
people laid off, just like happened in 2022

2094
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:10,450
and 2023 from major tech companies.

2095
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:13,110
On top of that, I'm not scared of

2096
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:13,870
the bubble bursting.

2097
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:15,410
I'm scared of what happens afterwards.

2098
01:13:16,150 --> 01:13:19,530
Once this falls apart, the markets are going

2099
01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:22,210
to realize that the tech industry doesn't really

2100
01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:24,510
have any growth markets left.

2101
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:27,930
The reason that tech companies have had such

2102
01:13:27,930 --> 01:13:31,230
incredible valuations is because they've always been able

2103
01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:35,210
to give this feeling of eternal growth, that

2104
01:13:35,210 --> 01:13:37,690
software can always magic up more money.

2105
01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:39,890
It's why the monopolies are so powerful.

2106
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:42,730
They've had just endless cash to throw at

2107
01:13:42,730 --> 01:13:45,910
endless things, like Google own the marketplace where

2108
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:47,710
you buy ads, the marketplace where you sell

2109
01:13:47,710 --> 01:13:49,070
them, and the way you host the ads

2110
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:49,530
themselves.

2111
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:51,730
They've never really had to work particularly hard

2112
01:13:51,730 --> 01:13:53,430
other than throw money at the problem and

2113
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:54,330
exclude other people.

2114
01:13:55,210 --> 01:13:57,670
Once it becomes obvious that they can't come

2115
01:13:57,670 --> 01:13:59,110
up with the next thing that will give

2116
01:13:59,110 --> 01:14:00,470
them 10% to 15% to 20

2117
01:14:00,470 --> 01:14:03,130
% revenue growth year over year, the markets

2118
01:14:03,130 --> 01:14:05,350
are going to rethink how you value tech

2119
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:05,690
stocks.

2120
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:08,190
And when that happens, you're going to see

2121
01:14:08,190 --> 01:14:09,310
them get pulverized.

2122
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:11,030
I don't think any company is shutting down.

2123
01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:12,790
I think Meta is dead in less than

2124
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:14,310
10 years just because they're a bad company.

2125
01:14:14,890 --> 01:14:18,350
But right now, the markets believe that tech

2126
01:14:18,350 --> 01:14:20,650
companies can grow forever and punish the ones

2127
01:14:20,650 --> 01:14:21,490
that don't.

2128
01:14:21,610 --> 01:14:23,370
There are multiple tech companies that just lose

2129
01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:25,630
money, but because they grow revenue, that's fine.

2130
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:28,210
What happens if the growth story dies?

2131
01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:32,450
Like a 2008 housing crash, but specifically for

2132
01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:32,710
tech.

2133
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:33,470
And I fear it.

2134
01:14:33,630 --> 01:14:35,170
I hope I'm wrong on that one.

2135
01:14:35,410 --> 01:14:37,230
The human cost will be horrible.

2136
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:40,090
He makes a mistake here, in my opinion.

2137
01:14:43,190 --> 01:14:47,850
Meta, specifically Facebook, not Instagram, but Facebook, they

2138
01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:53,810
have completely taken all local, the classifieds, local

2139
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:55,350
advertising, newspapers.

2140
01:14:56,530 --> 01:14:57,870
Meta has taken all of that.

2141
01:14:58,530 --> 01:15:00,090
And that is very valuable.

2142
01:15:01,570 --> 01:15:03,090
So I don't think they're going to be

2143
01:15:03,090 --> 01:15:03,990
dead in 10 years.

2144
01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:07,850
It's valuable, but it's, you know, my Facebook

2145
01:15:07,850 --> 01:15:12,870
marketplace, it's valuable, but it's also so polluted

2146
01:15:13,570 --> 01:15:16,050
that I see people just giving up on

2147
01:15:16,050 --> 01:15:16,150
it.

2148
01:15:16,150 --> 01:15:17,930
Well, I'm not talking about Facebook marketplace.

2149
01:15:18,150 --> 01:15:21,030
I'm talking about people going in and local

2150
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:23,730
businesses making sure that ads are showing up

2151
01:15:23,730 --> 01:15:25,210
for their local communities.

2152
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:29,710
It's very sophisticated compared to what there was.

2153
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:31,830
And I live in a small town, so

2154
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:33,230
I see how it happens.

2155
01:15:33,230 --> 01:15:34,290
And I see how it works.

2156
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:35,690
And I see that everyone puts all of

2157
01:15:35,690 --> 01:15:38,290
their money, not into the one publication we

2158
01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:40,190
have, the one local newspaper, but all into

2159
01:15:40,190 --> 01:15:40,610
Facebook.

2160
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:42,890
And they're seeing success and they have measurement,

2161
01:15:43,130 --> 01:15:43,310
etc.

2162
01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:45,090
They're probably overpaying.

2163
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:49,390
But I think that's, you know, who cares?

2164
01:15:49,490 --> 01:15:50,690
I don't really care one way or the

2165
01:15:50,690 --> 01:15:50,910
other.

2166
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:53,910
But as this relates to podcasting, it's the

2167
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:54,510
same thing.

2168
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:56,890
Well, we only have 4 million.

2169
01:15:57,070 --> 01:15:59,310
It's gone down by 10,000 episodes or

2170
01:15:59,310 --> 01:15:59,550
whatever.

2171
01:16:00,530 --> 01:16:04,190
Podcasting should be a million podcasts of which

2172
01:16:04,190 --> 01:16:08,490
100,000 are national successful podcasts and 900

2173
01:16:08,490 --> 01:16:09,770
,000 should be local.

2174
01:16:11,550 --> 01:16:13,990
Everything else is just blather.

2175
01:16:14,850 --> 01:16:15,430
It's blather.

2176
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:19,750
Well, I think the whole point of all

2177
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:21,930
this is eventually all the games end.

2178
01:16:22,750 --> 01:16:25,750
And we saw this with the podcast bubble

2179
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:30,430
that Spotify created from 2018 to 2022.

2180
01:16:31,570 --> 01:16:36,390
Eventually all the games, the financial games end

2181
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:37,710
because they're not sustainable.

2182
01:16:38,590 --> 01:16:41,590
And you'll always have to come to that

2183
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:42,750
payday.

2184
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:46,830
And Silicon Valley has had 20 years of

2185
01:16:46,830 --> 01:16:48,470
like financial refulgence.

2186
01:16:49,230 --> 01:16:50,330
But it's- Refulgence?

2187
01:16:50,530 --> 01:16:51,170
What does that mean?

2188
01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:51,770
Refulgence?

2189
01:16:53,770 --> 01:16:59,890
It's like brightness, like shininess.

2190
01:17:00,430 --> 01:17:03,690
I think sparkling maybe.

2191
01:17:06,910 --> 01:17:07,510
Yes.

2192
01:17:07,810 --> 01:17:11,270
Radiance, resplendence, brightness, brilliance, or glow.

2193
01:17:11,610 --> 01:17:11,830
Yes.

2194
01:17:11,970 --> 01:17:12,590
Okay, good.

2195
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:15,690
That cost me 25 cents to ask ChatGPT

2196
01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:15,930
that.

2197
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:18,930
It cost them $2.35. They sent me

2198
01:17:18,930 --> 01:17:19,510
five bucks.

2199
01:17:20,650 --> 01:17:22,930
So, I mean, they've had 20 years of

2200
01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:23,290
that.

2201
01:17:24,650 --> 01:17:26,630
Google IPO'd in 2004.

2202
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:31,570
And so, but it's destined to end.

2203
01:17:31,690 --> 01:17:33,770
I mean, it can't continue.

2204
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:35,190
There's always going to be this sort of

2205
01:17:35,190 --> 01:17:39,390
like Dorian Gray style confrontation with the ugly

2206
01:17:39,390 --> 01:17:41,630
underbelly of this thing.

2207
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:44,370
And it happened in podcasting.

2208
01:17:44,590 --> 01:17:45,690
It's going to happen in AI.

2209
01:17:46,090 --> 01:17:49,530
It's going to happen with all these things

2210
01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:51,970
that look like magic money machines.

2211
01:17:51,970 --> 01:17:56,790
My favorite is flying cars, personal, you know,

2212
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:58,530
human drone transportation.

2213
01:17:58,970 --> 01:18:00,130
I mean, that's my favorite.

2214
01:18:00,210 --> 01:18:01,170
I just look at this stuff.

2215
01:18:01,370 --> 01:18:03,150
Remember those guys who all of a sudden,

2216
01:18:03,250 --> 01:18:04,650
look, it flies on its side.

2217
01:18:04,690 --> 01:18:05,370
It's brilliant.

2218
01:18:05,550 --> 01:18:06,230
Where are they?

2219
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:08,310
Gone.

2220
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,300
Anyway, that's my presentation.

2221
01:18:13,860 --> 01:18:15,940
And I'm going to send the slide deck

2222
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:16,600
to Silas.

2223
01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:18,220
You don't have, do you want to play

2224
01:18:18,220 --> 01:18:18,940
number 10 here?

2225
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:20,980
Oh, yeah, you can play it.

2226
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:21,660
Go for it.

2227
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:24,800
Even outside of the depression that might be

2228
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,860
experienced in the tech world, there are so

2229
01:18:27,860 --> 01:18:30,660
many pension funds out there that may have

2230
01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:31,320
investments.

2231
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,980
You're painting a picture of, you know, the

2232
01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:36,020
housing crash of 2008.

2233
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:37,340
I actually am.

2234
01:18:37,820 --> 01:18:40,120
I wrote a piece about that fairly recently.

2235
01:18:40,820 --> 01:18:42,640
It was at Sherwood, and it was about

2236
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,520
how open AI is the next Bear Stearns.

2237
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,420
And if you look back at that time,

2238
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,020
and you mentioned the people that might say

2239
01:18:50,020 --> 01:18:51,820
I'm wrong, that I should just wait, that

2240
01:18:51,820 --> 01:18:53,140
these things will work it out.

2241
01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:55,920
You could see stories like from David Leonard

2242
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,660
over at New York Times and others talking

2243
01:18:58,660 --> 01:19:00,460
about how there's not going to be a

2244
01:19:00,460 --> 01:19:01,940
housing crash, and maybe even a crash should

2245
01:19:01,940 --> 01:19:02,460
be good.

2246
01:19:02,860 --> 01:19:04,180
But there's nothing to worry about.

2247
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,040
There were people at that time talking about

2248
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,700
how there was nothing to worry about, and

2249
01:19:07,700 --> 01:19:09,240
they were doing so in detail and using

2250
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,340
similar rhetoric.

2251
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:11,720
Just wait and see.

2252
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,220
Things are always good, right?

2253
01:19:13,740 --> 01:19:15,260
What goes up never comes down.

2254
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:16,360
That's the phrase, right?

2255
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,880
And it's horrifying because it doesn't have to

2256
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:21,680
be like this.

2257
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,700
These companies could be sustainable.

2258
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,000
They could have modest 2% to 3

2259
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:26,640
% growth.

2260
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,960
Google as a company basically prints money.

2261
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,380
They could just run a stable, good Google

2262
01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:34,500
that people like and make billions and billions

2263
01:19:34,500 --> 01:19:35,500
and billions of dollars.

2264
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:36,400
They would be fine.

2265
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:37,960
But no, they must grow.

2266
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,720
And we are the users, and our planet

2267
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,600
too, our economy too.

2268
01:19:43,820 --> 01:19:45,820
We are the victims of the rot economy,

2269
01:19:46,140 --> 01:19:47,440
and they are the victors.

2270
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,620
These men are so rich.

2271
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,260
Sam Altman, if open AI collapses, he'll be

2272
01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:52,440
fine.

2273
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:54,540
He's a multi-billionaire with a $5 million

2274
01:19:54,540 --> 01:19:55,120
car.

2275
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,020
These people, they're doing this because they know

2276
01:19:58,020 --> 01:20:00,440
they will be fine, that they'll probably walk

2277
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:01,860
into another cushy job.

2278
01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:04,020
It's sickening, and it's cynical.

2279
01:20:06,380 --> 01:20:09,300
Well, this is where the opportunity is for

2280
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:12,860
Podcasting 2.0. We have such a beautiful

2281
01:20:12,860 --> 01:20:18,580
toolbox that is so rich with beautiful features.

2282
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,140
And I look at what Sam Sethi is.

2283
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:22,640
He's on fire, man.

2284
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,320
He's doing all kinds of stuff, including now

2285
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:27,260
landing pages.

2286
01:20:27,820 --> 01:20:28,420
What am I hearing?

2287
01:20:29,860 --> 01:20:30,480
I don't know.

2288
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:31,320
I was scratching my head.

2289
01:20:31,580 --> 01:20:32,020
Was that it?

2290
01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:33,060
Was it this?

2291
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,820
Oh, no, it's me.

2292
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:35,380
I'm sorry.

2293
01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:35,800
It's me.

2294
01:20:36,020 --> 01:20:36,320
It's me.

2295
01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:37,580
I don't know how that happened.

2296
01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:38,380
It's not me.

2297
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:38,720
It's you.

2298
01:20:38,820 --> 01:20:39,380
No, it's me.

2299
01:20:39,740 --> 01:20:40,640
Honey, it's me.

2300
01:20:40,940 --> 01:20:41,780
Really, it's not you.

2301
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:42,360
It's really me.

2302
01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:48,620
But imagine what we can ignite with the

2303
01:20:48,620 --> 01:20:51,600
lit tag by really rolling out Podping, by

2304
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,820
getting chapters the way 2.0 does them

2305
01:20:54,820 --> 01:20:56,580
into more apps.

2306
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,780
Now, it's such an opportunity for excitement, for

2307
01:21:01,780 --> 01:21:05,340
creative people to do things.

2308
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:06,880
You know, we took our own...

2309
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,560
Well, we didn't, but we took our own

2310
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,100
sidestep there.

2311
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:10,960
Like, oh, AI.

2312
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,840
There's going to be AI voices and AI

2313
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,160
this and AI this.

2314
01:21:14,420 --> 01:21:15,060
That is all that.

2315
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:15,840
It was fantastic.

2316
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,820
You just have to think podcast.

2317
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:19,960
It'll poop out a podcast for you.

2318
01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:25,680
But the real beauty we have to make

2319
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,700
such fantastic experiences, also for the advertisers, as

2320
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:32,820
we talked about last week, with if chapters

2321
01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:35,760
really worked everywhere, imagine just saying, you know,

2322
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,780
just tap on the image in your podcast

2323
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:39,520
app and it'll take you right to the

2324
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,520
offer.

2325
01:21:41,860 --> 01:21:42,940
It can be personalized.

2326
01:21:43,260 --> 01:21:44,640
I mean, there's all these things.

2327
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:48,060
And, you know, there's A, there's no money

2328
01:21:48,060 --> 01:21:50,320
here for anyone to get investment.

2329
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,040
And that is, of course, a problem.

2330
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,140
But think like the Chinese.

2331
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,080
They couldn't get the chips.

2332
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:00,400
They thought differently.

2333
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,440
They figured out different ways to do it.

2334
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,220
They beg, borrowed, and stole.

2335
01:22:04,540 --> 01:22:06,420
They, you know, they took a little from

2336
01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:07,880
here to add something there.

2337
01:22:08,260 --> 01:22:10,980
You know, necessity is the mother of invention.

2338
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,820
And I think we need to continuously have

2339
01:22:13,820 --> 01:22:16,820
that, you know, that grinding attitude to just

2340
01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:18,140
keep moving forward.

2341
01:22:18,420 --> 01:22:19,740
We've seen it all work.

2342
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,020
It's all there.

2343
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,480
We got one win with transcripts.

2344
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:24,980
We need more.

2345
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,660
And Apple really has an opportunity to reignite

2346
01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:34,420
podcasting and ignite an entire ecosystem of beautiful

2347
01:22:34,420 --> 01:22:39,220
apps that do things differently, but beholden to

2348
01:22:39,220 --> 01:22:42,180
the same new features that everybody can implement

2349
01:22:42,180 --> 01:22:43,120
in their own way.

2350
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,620
Apple, what are you doing?

2351
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:46,200
Listen to me.

2352
01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:53,780
But podcasting seems to be prone to this.

2353
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,880
It seems to be prone to this sort

2354
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:02,900
of FOMO, jump on every single bandwagon thing.

2355
01:23:03,410 --> 01:23:07,360
You know, Clubhouse, you know, an example we

2356
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,880
can, you know, we had earlier, you know,

2357
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,200
the AI generated podcasts.

2358
01:23:14,740 --> 01:23:20,480
It's just like every single new thing that

2359
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:24,240
comes down the pipe, they just get duped

2360
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,160
by it over and over again.

2361
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,080
But we can say we, we don't have

2362
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:28,740
to say they.

2363
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,060
I mean, we're part of the industry.

2364
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:33,780
Us talking about those things only helps it.

2365
01:23:34,180 --> 01:23:36,080
Well, it's Lucy and the football.

2366
01:23:36,260 --> 01:23:36,560
Yes.

2367
01:23:36,580 --> 01:23:38,140
It's just over and over again.

2368
01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:42,380
Anyway, a couple of side notes.

2369
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,760
The index, so I think I mentioned last

2370
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,580
week, Buzzsprout, Tom contacted me and said Buzzsprout

2371
01:23:51,580 --> 01:23:54,020
was having some errors with the index API.

2372
01:23:54,020 --> 01:23:55,800
Yes, the compression issue.

2373
01:23:56,980 --> 01:23:57,240
Yeah.

2374
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:01,860
And you know, so they went away and

2375
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:03,280
then they started getting them again.

2376
01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:05,920
And so I just went in there into

2377
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:11,520
Cloudflare and created a compression rule and disabled

2378
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,660
compression for their user agent.

2379
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:18,980
And that fixed the issue.

2380
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:20,480
They've not had any more errors.

2381
01:24:22,180 --> 01:24:24,380
Now, I really would like to know why

2382
01:24:24,380 --> 01:24:25,240
that is the case.

2383
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,000
So they no longer receive stuff with compression.

2384
01:24:28,940 --> 01:24:29,460
Right.

2385
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,240
They, their responses to the, to the, only

2386
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,920
their responses are going, are being delivered with

2387
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:36,980
no compression.

2388
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:40,620
I mean, it's just GZIP compression.

2389
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,100
Why would that be a, I don't understand

2390
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:45,740
why that could possibly be a problem.

2391
01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:47,100
And the compression.

2392
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:48,240
What I thought might go.

2393
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:49,560
No, no, go ahead, please.

2394
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,960
What I thought might be happening was there

2395
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,500
was an error under the covers.

2396
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,680
And meaning that like, maybe, maybe the connection

2397
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,500
was getting closed prematurely.

2398
01:25:01,540 --> 01:25:04,140
And, and you were getting like maybe half

2399
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:05,040
of a response.

2400
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:09,200
And that the compression error was really sort

2401
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,580
of like masking what the true problem was.

2402
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,840
The true problem was you just didn't have

2403
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:14,780
a complete response.

2404
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:17,440
But, but that doesn't seem to be the

2405
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:20,180
case because turning off the compression fixed all

2406
01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:20,620
the errors.

2407
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,700
Well, Eric PP in the, in the boardroom

2408
01:25:22,700 --> 01:25:24,380
says what client are they using?

2409
01:25:24,580 --> 01:25:25,820
Is that, could that be the issue?

2410
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,660
Uh, I, I, I mean, I don't know.

2411
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:30,760
It's, it's, uh, I think they use Ruby

2412
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:31,200
on there.

2413
01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:32,580
Uh, I know that.

2414
01:25:33,020 --> 01:25:33,900
Oh, Ruby on Rails.

2415
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,460
Oh, well, please don't, don't get me started.

2416
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,340
They're a Ruby shop.

2417
01:25:40,460 --> 01:25:42,480
So I'm sure it's some sort of Ruby

2418
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:42,900
gem.

2419
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,040
I don't know, man, that, that one was,

2420
01:25:47,860 --> 01:25:49,620
that one is still a mystery to me.

2421
01:25:49,620 --> 01:25:52,380
But then another thing is I found an

2422
01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:52,720
error.

2423
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,740
And fixed a bug in the API, uh,

2424
01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:58,680
episodes by feed ID endpoint.

2425
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:03,360
So whenever you used the, there's a, there's

2426
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:08,040
an optional flag on that endpoint, uh, called

2427
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:08,560
newest.

2428
01:26:08,740 --> 01:26:10,080
So if you get, if you give it

2429
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,200
the newest parameter and a list of podcast

2430
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,180
index IDs, it will just give you the

2431
01:26:16,180 --> 01:26:19,800
newest episode from all of those podcasts, right?

2432
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,340
And there's also another parameter called full text.

2433
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:30,460
So by default, the index limits, uh, the

2434
01:26:30,460 --> 01:26:33,480
description field that it returns to a hundred

2435
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:34,120
words.

2436
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,480
Now that's, it's not characters.

2437
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:38,680
That's a hundred words.

2438
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,060
And if you give it the full text

2439
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:48,240
parameter, it will give you the full, uh,

2440
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,820
description of each episode, which could be quite

2441
01:26:50,820 --> 01:26:51,400
massive.

2442
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,840
Well, we limited on the index to 3000

2443
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:55,320
characters.

2444
01:26:55,340 --> 01:26:55,940
Okay.

2445
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:58,680
Um, and so it'll give you the full

2446
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:59,700
3000 back.

2447
01:27:00,540 --> 01:27:04,220
Uh, so I was looking for some Godcaster

2448
01:27:04,220 --> 01:27:05,020
stuff I was doing.

2449
01:27:05,060 --> 01:27:07,880
I was looking and seeing why are we

2450
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,140
only getting back?

2451
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,240
I'm giving it full text, but why are

2452
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,460
we only getting back a thousand characters instead

2453
01:27:14,460 --> 01:27:16,320
of the free, the full 3000?

2454
01:27:17,660 --> 01:27:20,100
And I found a bug, found a typo.

2455
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,160
So that's fixed now.

2456
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,400
Don't know how long that's been there, but.

2457
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,440
Bitpunk FM in the boardroom raised his hand

2458
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:30,880
politely and said, why do we care about

2459
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,980
Apple when we have Podverse at all, uh,

2460
01:27:34,060 --> 01:27:34,660
existing?

2461
01:27:34,860 --> 01:27:38,880
Well, because it live, it really, when Apple

2462
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,680
does something, it helps everybody.

2463
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,480
They will never be able to compete with

2464
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:46,820
the small agile apps and apps focused on

2465
01:27:46,820 --> 01:27:48,640
certain types of users ever.

2466
01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:52,220
But when you have that attitude, yeah, then

2467
01:27:52,220 --> 01:27:53,800
we can just sit here and circle jerk

2468
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:54,700
all day long.

2469
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,240
You need someone like an Apple is the

2470
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,160
only one I would trust to pick up

2471
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,080
some of these features and say, well, look

2472
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:02,620
at this.

2473
01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:07,820
Because, you know, once you've got to talk

2474
01:28:07,820 --> 01:28:12,560
to podcasters again, Podverse and fountain are highly

2475
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,340
used by the no agenda audience.

2476
01:28:14,660 --> 01:28:14,980
Why?

2477
01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:18,200
Because I promote it because I tell them

2478
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,500
to use, I tell them it's better.

2479
01:28:19,900 --> 01:28:21,620
I tell them they've got all these different

2480
01:28:21,620 --> 01:28:22,620
things that they can do.

2481
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,800
And we saw this with transcripts.

2482
01:28:25,900 --> 01:28:26,160
Yes.

2483
01:28:27,060 --> 01:28:28,040
You know, it's a transcript.

2484
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,160
There were so many people, so many, uh,

2485
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:35,380
podcasting 2.0 apps adopted transcripts and it

2486
01:28:35,380 --> 01:28:37,680
didn't stop us from putting it in play.

2487
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,160
But then as soon as Apple adopted it,

2488
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:43,320
you saw it just went wildfire all across.

2489
01:28:43,460 --> 01:28:45,060
I mean, everybody adopted.

2490
01:28:45,260 --> 01:28:47,280
And it's better to have Apple adopt something

2491
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,580
because, you know, the universe of mobile devices

2492
01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:51,520
is Android.

2493
01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:54,120
And there's no, for my money, no clear

2494
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:54,420
winner.

2495
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,640
There's plenty of opportunity for someone to pick

2496
01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:59,080
that up.

2497
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,920
And, you know, even PodLP, you know, when

2498
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,760
it comes to these alternative, small like India

2499
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,980
and all these other types of markets where

2500
01:29:06,980 --> 01:29:08,980
they have different types, they have non Android,

2501
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:10,780
not well, what is the, what is the

2502
01:29:10,780 --> 01:29:11,960
operating system they use?

2503
01:29:12,020 --> 01:29:13,320
What's the kind of iOS?

2504
01:29:13,900 --> 01:29:14,000
Yeah.

2505
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,080
Which I think is, has Google investment, but

2506
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:17,940
doesn't really matter.

2507
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:21,260
So yeah, Chad, I've said it legitimizes, it

2508
01:29:21,260 --> 01:29:22,560
legitimizes the feature.

2509
01:29:22,780 --> 01:29:25,760
And then, you know, people, people use overcast

2510
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:26,440
for a reason.

2511
01:29:26,740 --> 01:29:27,140
Why?

2512
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:28,160
I love saying this.

2513
01:29:28,260 --> 01:29:28,520
Why?

2514
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:30,740
Because you're off the chain.

2515
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:31,000
Yeah.

2516
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,120
I like answering my own question.

2517
01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:32,420
Why?

2518
01:29:32,420 --> 01:29:36,380
Because it has certain audio features, people like

2519
01:29:36,380 --> 01:29:39,820
people of, and they're very passionate about it.

2520
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:44,840
So, you know, it's, there's sometimes this defeatist

2521
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,660
attitude is a little bothersome.

2522
01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:49,760
I mean, granted, I'm not, well, I am

2523
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,880
technically now a podcast player developer, although I'm

2524
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,140
not doing the development, but I'm, I mean,

2525
01:29:55,180 --> 01:29:58,140
you know, we're building something like that, not

2526
01:29:58,140 --> 01:29:58,480
an app.

2527
01:29:58,620 --> 01:29:58,720
Right.

2528
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,720
Um, and yeah, we've put in all kinds

2529
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,260
of features.

2530
01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:02,480
It's not an Appy app.

2531
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:03,540
It's not an Appy app.

2532
01:30:03,740 --> 01:30:04,300
No, it's not an Appy app.

2533
01:30:04,340 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaking of Appy apps, do you have time

2534
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:06,880
to thank some people?

2535
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,160
I don't know what your, uh, your schedule

2536
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:09,340
is.

2537
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:10,380
I don't always get time to thank people.

2538
01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:13,040
We are value for value, which means your

2539
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,680
support goes to podcast index, keeps everything running

2540
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:17,520
on the index.

2541
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,180
All these features everybody wants, all the end

2542
01:30:20,180 --> 01:30:22,380
points, all the compression testing, et cetera.

2543
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,080
Actually, that's just Dave.

2544
01:30:24,180 --> 01:30:25,660
Dave gets no money for this, which is

2545
01:30:25,660 --> 01:30:25,980
great.

2546
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:26,880
Yay.

2547
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,920
He's a yay.

2548
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,400
He says, um, we appreciate it when you

2549
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,620
boost in and people have did hear my

2550
01:30:33,620 --> 01:30:33,900
call.

2551
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,180
And here are a couple of the boosts

2552
01:30:35,180 --> 01:30:36,340
that came in while we're doing the show

2553
01:30:36,340 --> 01:30:36,660
live.

2554
01:30:36,700 --> 01:30:37,320
Salty crayon.

2555
01:30:37,380 --> 01:30:38,080
One, two, three, four.

2556
01:30:38,180 --> 01:30:39,460
He says, I TBR.

2557
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,200
David's been a while since you mentioned it.

2558
01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:43,860
What's the latest bedroom killer you were reading

2559
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:45,000
on the nightstand lately?

2560
01:30:45,300 --> 01:30:47,640
Pinging the pongs, juicing the Jason's.

2561
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:48,320
What is it?

2562
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:49,260
What is room killer?

2563
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:49,560
Yeah.

2564
01:30:49,620 --> 01:30:51,820
That was my nickname in high school.

2565
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:52,940
How did he know that?

2566
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:54,340
That's a show title too.

2567
01:30:54,820 --> 01:30:55,600
Bedroom killer.

2568
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,280
Um, the, uh, the, what I'm reading right

2569
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,860
now is, uh, Don, uh, Dante's Inferno.

2570
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:05,860
Oh, divine, divine comedy.

2571
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:06,600
Interesting.

2572
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:08,160
Oh, that is a classic.

2573
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,600
That was a real classic.

2574
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,760
I realized the other way I had the

2575
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,080
other day, I had not read it.

2576
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:16,160
And, uh, I had to fix that problem.

2577
01:31:17,420 --> 01:31:20,540
See loss on Linux 4,200.

2578
01:31:20,980 --> 01:31:22,080
Thank you very much.

2579
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:22,900
Appreciate it.

2580
01:31:22,900 --> 01:31:25,340
Dreb Scott with a mini Striper boost.

2581
01:31:25,420 --> 01:31:26,480
77, 77.

2582
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:29,500
He says go podcasting sats from Sam.

2583
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,500
Ah, this is a new account.

2584
01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:33,980
I'm presuming since it's coming from true fans,

2585
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,300
that's Sam Sethi, uh, three, five, seven, six.

2586
01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:39,000
He says Apple is the new IBM.

2587
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,840
Tim Cook is the new Steve Ballmer.

2588
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,680
Tim has missed all innovation, search AI, cars,

2589
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:46,120
glasses, folding phones.

2590
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,760
Their revenue remains high, but sales of iPhones

2591
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:49,400
are dropping.

2592
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:53,780
Google said the same X wrap, or maybe

2593
01:31:53,780 --> 01:31:56,280
it means crap new products and no innovation.

2594
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:57,140
Yeah.

2595
01:31:57,220 --> 01:31:58,580
There hasn't been any real innovation.

2596
01:31:58,700 --> 01:31:59,760
I think the smartphone was it.

2597
01:31:59,860 --> 01:32:01,160
And I see that guy, what's his name?

2598
01:32:01,260 --> 01:32:04,320
Jensen from NVIDIA NVIDIA.

2599
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:05,360
Oh yeah.

2600
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:05,580
Yeah.

2601
01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:08,880
The leather jacket, leather jacket walking around on

2602
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:09,320
stage.

2603
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:10,560
Like he's Steve jobs.

2604
01:32:10,620 --> 01:32:11,460
Give me a break.

2605
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:12,560
That's so pathetic.

2606
01:32:12,860 --> 01:32:13,760
Salty crayon.

2607
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:14,340
Rove ducks.

2608
01:32:14,420 --> 01:32:15,060
22, 22.

2609
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:16,380
How do Dave and Adam just sending some

2610
01:32:16,380 --> 01:32:18,280
value since the ISO of Adam last week

2611
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:19,560
about nobody's boosting.

2612
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,040
It still works in the pipe.

2613
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:23,200
Yeah.

2614
01:32:24,660 --> 01:32:27,620
Lyceum with a 1776 boost as a poor

2615
01:32:27,620 --> 01:32:28,740
capitalist at the moment.

2616
01:32:29,180 --> 01:32:30,640
I have to wait to send you a

2617
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:36,680
Rand's day boost of 221,905 Satoshis until

2618
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:40,100
later this year or on February 2nd, 2026.

2619
01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:42,060
We can wait for more information.

2620
01:32:42,220 --> 01:32:44,980
Please listen to episode 94 Rand's day on

2621
01:32:44,980 --> 01:32:47,100
February 2nd of the secular foxhole.

2622
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:49,120
I hope it's okay with the Liberty boost

2623
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,200
of 1776.

2624
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,640
Of course, best premises, Martin Linda's cook.

2625
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:53,540
Thank you very much, Martin.

2626
01:32:53,940 --> 01:32:57,320
And Eric PP came in with 3333 when

2627
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,720
I complained and no note, just a straight

2628
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:01,980
up boost from Curio Castor.

2629
01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:02,680
Thank you very much.

2630
01:33:02,740 --> 01:33:04,000
And I have hit the delimiter.

2631
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,000
If you want a bonus book, the one

2632
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,200
I mentioned last week, the master and his

2633
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:11,920
emissary by Ian McGilchrist.

2634
01:33:12,260 --> 01:33:12,700
Yes.

2635
01:33:13,020 --> 01:33:14,920
That's a, that's a top, top notch book.

2636
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:15,820
I recommend it.

2637
01:33:15,820 --> 01:33:16,500
Okay.

2638
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,220
Um, right out of the gate.

2639
01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:21,600
We've got, uh, the boys from rss.com

2640
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:26,500
2025, $2,025.

2641
01:33:31,620 --> 01:33:33,380
Thank you so much.

2642
01:33:33,620 --> 01:33:35,700
Well, there's a month of server stuff right

2643
01:33:35,700 --> 01:33:35,980
there.

2644
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:36,460
Awesome.

2645
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:37,280
Thank you guys.

2646
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,200
We appreciate that.

2647
01:33:38,260 --> 01:33:40,820
Keeping it rolling from Ben and Alberto.

2648
01:33:40,900 --> 01:33:42,680
They say, uh, hello, 2025.

2649
01:33:43,020 --> 01:33:43,360
Yes.

2650
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:44,500
Happy new year to everyone.

2651
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,420
Improving podcasting one tag at a time.

2652
01:33:46,620 --> 01:33:48,240
Look forward to a great year with everyone

2653
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:49,300
in this great project.

2654
01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:51,720
Go podcasting your friends at rss.com.

2655
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:53,460
Yeah.

2656
01:33:53,540 --> 01:33:54,600
I'll roll one out for that.

2657
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:55,240
Thank you, brothers.

2658
01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:56,360
Thank you so much.

2659
01:33:56,420 --> 01:33:57,320
We appreciate you.

2660
01:33:58,820 --> 01:33:59,560
Uh, let's see.

2661
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,480
That's the, is that what we got?

2662
01:34:01,580 --> 01:34:02,700
Was that the PayPal we got on the

2663
01:34:02,700 --> 01:34:02,900
pipe?

2664
01:34:02,940 --> 01:34:03,140
Yes.

2665
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:03,620
We got the PayPal.

2666
01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:06,140
So, uh, let me look at boosts here.

2667
01:34:07,380 --> 01:34:09,460
Cole McCormick, Satchel Richards.

2668
01:34:09,740 --> 01:34:10,960
Uh, I got something special.

2669
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,080
I think the boardroom will like.

2670
01:34:12,620 --> 01:34:14,280
I spoke with one of the co-creators,

2671
01:34:14,420 --> 01:34:16,820
Emily Hughes of a Bitcoin board game called

2672
01:34:16,820 --> 01:34:20,600
block hunters, block hunters, block hunters.

2673
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,140
It's like monopoly, but uses the structure of

2674
01:34:24,140 --> 01:34:26,500
how Bitcoin is mined and transacted into a

2675
01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:27,500
30 minute game.

2676
01:34:27,700 --> 01:34:29,780
Whoever has the most Bitcoins wins.

2677
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:31,220
It was like, it's like real life.

2678
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:32,220
Whoever has the most Bitcoin.

2679
01:34:32,380 --> 01:34:32,860
That's right.

2680
01:34:33,780 --> 01:34:36,280
There's even a character you can play as

2681
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,460
who uses V4V to earn money for their

2682
01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:38,820
art.

2683
01:34:39,340 --> 01:34:41,220
Emily and I talked about the game, her

2684
01:34:41,220 --> 01:34:45,060
mental health, psychedelic journey, God and parallels between

2685
01:34:45,060 --> 01:34:46,360
Bitcoin and spirituality.

2686
01:34:46,660 --> 01:34:49,440
Listen to episode one 45 of America plus.

2687
01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:50,960
If you're interested, I think all of you

2688
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:51,540
will enjoy it.

2689
01:34:51,660 --> 01:34:53,960
I actually tagged that episode because, uh, you

2690
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,380
know, I belong to the thank God for

2691
01:34:55,380 --> 01:34:58,940
Bitcoin group and they have, they see a

2692
01:34:58,940 --> 01:35:00,340
lot of connections there.

2693
01:35:00,420 --> 01:35:00,640
Yes.

2694
01:35:00,660 --> 01:35:02,000
I haven't listened to it yet, but it's

2695
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:02,560
in the pipe.

2696
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,660
We've got Todd from Northern Virginia.

2697
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,260
That's a big satchel of Richard's one, one,

2698
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:10,340
one, one, one.

2699
01:35:10,340 --> 01:35:11,280
Thank you.

2700
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,480
Side through podcast index.

2701
01:35:12,580 --> 01:35:14,240
He says, please accept my small contribution to

2702
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,220
Dave's Redis database fund.

2703
01:35:16,460 --> 01:35:17,980
Good luck and go podcast.

2704
01:35:18,180 --> 01:35:18,620
Yes.

2705
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:19,160
Thank you.

2706
01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:19,880
Awesome.

2707
01:35:19,980 --> 01:35:20,180
Thank you.

2708
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:21,600
Very, very nice.

2709
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:22,540
Boost.

2710
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:24,940
Gene Bean, 22, 22.

2711
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:26,680
He says, Dave, in case you don't know,

2712
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:28,800
you can get one password for teams free

2713
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:29,900
for open source projects.

2714
01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:32,300
You could use it for credentials that need

2715
01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:34,320
to be shared between you, Adam and others.

2716
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,240
That, you know, that's something we haven't set

2717
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,280
up that we really need to handle the

2718
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:39,620
dead, the dead man's switch.

2719
01:35:39,620 --> 01:35:41,160
Oh, I had a thought.

2720
01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:43,000
I had a thought about that yesterday.

2721
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,180
I was like, you know, am I going

2722
01:35:45,180 --> 01:35:47,260
to have to call Melissa, ask her to

2723
01:35:47,260 --> 01:35:51,300
cut off your thumb or gouge out an

2724
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:53,980
eye for some kind of biometric access to

2725
01:35:53,980 --> 01:35:54,360
the past?

2726
01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:54,580
Yeah.

2727
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,920
We should really set that up, brother.

2728
01:35:57,700 --> 01:35:58,340
I know.

2729
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:00,720
You don't want to have to have that

2730
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:01,100
call.

2731
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:02,160
No, no.

2732
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:03,640
Like, could you cut off his thumb?

2733
01:36:03,740 --> 01:36:04,320
I'm sorry.

2734
01:36:05,460 --> 01:36:07,380
I hate to bother you, but I need

2735
01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:08,420
to get into the server.

2736
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,020
Can you sit down at the console and

2737
01:36:11,020 --> 01:36:11,880
tell me what you see?

2738
01:36:12,820 --> 01:36:14,360
I'll walk you through it.

2739
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:15,780
Okay.

2740
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:16,880
Yeah.

2741
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,720
Just type SSH space.

2742
01:36:20,820 --> 01:36:22,560
Catch, uh, see Miramorals podcast.

2743
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,400
That's our buddy Kyron, 22, 22 through fountain.

2744
01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:26,740
He says catching up on some episodes.

2745
01:36:26,860 --> 01:36:28,700
Not going to lie of all the microphone

2746
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:29,160
talk.

2747
01:36:29,220 --> 01:36:31,700
I've never noticed any difference in Dave's mic.

2748
01:36:31,900 --> 01:36:32,900
Oh, well, thanks.

2749
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:33,540
Thanks.

2750
01:36:34,340 --> 01:36:36,600
All your effort is wasted on my uncultured

2751
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:37,900
swine ears.

2752
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:39,700
I doubt it.

2753
01:36:39,940 --> 01:36:41,120
You're very cultured, brother.

2754
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:41,860
Thank you.

2755
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,540
Uh, Oh, what did I do?

2756
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:45,220
I lost.

2757
01:36:45,700 --> 01:36:48,180
Oh, Oh, there it is.

2758
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,420
No, that was almost, that was almost bad.

2759
01:36:50,780 --> 01:36:53,100
Uh, almost lost a CSB's note.

2760
01:36:53,220 --> 01:36:56,600
Oh, uh, 14, three 85 sass through fountain.

2761
01:36:56,860 --> 01:36:59,820
CSB says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

2762
01:37:00,420 --> 01:37:02,460
Are you into BDSM?

2763
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:04,720
Do you like pain?

2764
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,460
Well, today I want to recommend you movie

2765
01:37:08,460 --> 01:37:10,180
entitled real pain.

2766
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,480
That's available for purchase on digital platforms, including

2767
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:15,620
as Blu-ray disc and as download.

2768
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,580
And recently also for streaming on Hulu.

2769
01:37:18,900 --> 01:37:22,260
And it has two nominations for Oscars 2025.

2770
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:26,260
I'll donate you $55 per Oscar one to

2771
01:37:26,260 --> 01:37:26,860
celebrate.

2772
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:28,600
Yo CSB.

2773
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:30,420
This is very interesting.

2774
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:35,260
CSB, he always promotes other podcasts, uh, with

2775
01:37:35,260 --> 01:37:35,860
his boosts.

2776
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,540
And, um, the one he sent into curry

2777
01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:43,520
and the keeper this week, he said, how

2778
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:44,200
do you love birds?

2779
01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:45,080
Tina Adam this week.

2780
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:47,220
I'd like to recommend to you and your

2781
01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:49,060
audience and movie titled real pain.

2782
01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:51,460
So he has some stake in this thing.

2783
01:37:51,460 --> 01:37:54,020
It's available on digital platforms for purchase.

2784
01:37:54,140 --> 01:37:55,720
And a Hulu two weeks is nominated for

2785
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:56,320
two Oscars.

2786
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:00,200
And if they win, I'll donate $115 per

2787
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:00,620
Oscar.

2788
01:38:02,180 --> 01:38:03,960
This, he sounds like an investor.

2789
01:38:04,700 --> 01:38:06,600
I don't know what it is, but we

2790
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,220
need to get to the bottom of this.

2791
01:38:08,340 --> 01:38:10,120
And then it's like, you know, Dana Brunetti,

2792
01:38:10,220 --> 01:38:10,420
right?

2793
01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:10,640
Yeah.

2794
01:38:10,700 --> 01:38:11,340
I know Dana Brunetti.

2795
01:38:11,780 --> 01:38:13,460
Well, he actually is a member of the

2796
01:38:13,460 --> 01:38:13,840
Academy.

2797
01:38:14,020 --> 01:38:14,580
He can vote.

2798
01:38:14,740 --> 01:38:15,360
He can vote.

2799
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:16,440
Can you talk to him?

2800
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:17,900
Like what is going on?

2801
01:38:18,180 --> 01:38:18,580
CSB?

2802
01:38:18,660 --> 01:38:20,180
What is happening with this movie?

2803
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:22,140
Daniel J.

2804
01:38:22,220 --> 01:38:23,840
Lewis says CSBDSM.

2805
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,620
Yeah, there's a nice, nice, nice, nice.

2806
01:38:29,060 --> 01:38:30,360
That wraps it up.

2807
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:32,100
Now we got some now we get monthly.

2808
01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:32,860
He's got four months.

2809
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:33,340
He's good.

2810
01:38:33,420 --> 01:38:34,300
Do we get Dreb Scott?

2811
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:34,940
$15.

2812
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:35,840
Thank you, Dreb.

2813
01:38:36,580 --> 01:38:39,740
Michael Kimmerer, $5.33. Chris Bernardik, $5.

2814
01:38:40,180 --> 01:38:42,400
And Pedro Goncalves, $5.

2815
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:43,880
Thank you all very much.

2816
01:38:44,180 --> 01:38:45,900
You can boost us on any of the

2817
01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:47,100
modern podcast apps.

2818
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,400
Find those at podcastapps.com.

2819
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:52,480
If you prefer to send us fiat fund

2820
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:54,920
coupons, you can go to podcastindex.org.

2821
01:38:55,140 --> 01:38:57,480
Scroll down to the bottom, past our freedom

2822
01:38:57,480 --> 01:38:59,980
text, and you'll see a red donate button.

2823
01:39:00,060 --> 01:39:00,360
Hit that.

2824
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:01,320
I'll take you right to the PayPal.

2825
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:03,740
Thank you so much for keeping this grand

2826
01:39:03,740 --> 01:39:04,620
experiment running.

2827
01:39:04,780 --> 01:39:05,760
We're now at, what are we, a fifth

2828
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:06,300
year now?

2829
01:39:06,580 --> 01:39:07,140
Fifth year?

2830
01:39:08,020 --> 01:39:08,860
Oh, it's yeah.

2831
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:09,640
I think it is.

2832
01:39:09,740 --> 01:39:10,780
I think we're about five years.

2833
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:13,640
Episode 209 of the board meeting.

2834
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:15,240
And thank you everybody for being here.

2835
01:39:15,420 --> 01:39:16,800
We appreciate you.

2836
01:39:18,700 --> 01:39:20,660
And continue to fight the good fight, people.

2837
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:21,760
Don't get hurt.

2838
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,640
I'm allowed once every five years to have

2839
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,620
10 clips of On The Media A talking

2840
01:39:27,620 --> 01:39:28,180
about AI.

2841
01:39:28,420 --> 01:39:29,540
I think you can do it twice a

2842
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:29,660
year.

2843
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:30,540
I'm good with that.

2844
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:32,520
Anything about On The Media is good with

2845
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:32,740
me.

2846
01:39:32,980 --> 01:39:34,180
I'm scheduling this.

2847
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:35,720
I'm scheduling the next one for August.

2848
01:39:37,380 --> 01:39:39,380
Have a great weekend, Brother Dave.

2849
01:39:40,140 --> 01:39:40,540
See you, man.

2850
01:39:40,740 --> 01:39:41,280
All right, everybody.

2851
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:42,100
Thank you so much.

2852
01:39:42,140 --> 01:39:44,200
We'll see you next Friday right here for

2853
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:59,480
Podcasting 2.0. Why's

2854
01:39:59,480 --> 01:40:00,220
that so cool?

2855
01:40:01,020 --> 01:40:05,220
You have been listening to Podcasting 2.0.

2856
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:09,080
Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2857
01:40:09,420 --> 01:40:10,860
Go podcasting!

2858
01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:13,200
That seems kind of stupid.