1 00:00:01,380 --> 00:00:06,480 Adam Curry: 2.0 for January 26 2024, episode 165 Hashtag 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:12,540 this hello everybody welcome once again to the official board 3 00:00:12,540 --> 00:00:16,920 meeting of podcasting. Oh, that's right. This is the 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,460 boardroom it's the board meeting and we are the only board room 5 00:00:20,460 --> 00:00:23,880 that meets on weekends in casual clothing. That's so true. 6 00:00:24,390 --> 00:00:28,380 Everything going on with the namespace podcast index.org all 7 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:31,950 the happenings at podcast index dot social I'm Adam curry here 8 00:00:31,950 --> 00:00:35,430 in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and at Alabama the man 9 00:00:35,430 --> 00:00:39,150 who's at the root of all your AP bridge posts say hello to my 10 00:00:39,150 --> 00:00:41,370 friend on the other end the one and only Mr 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:52,080 Dave Jones: Oh fresh off the bag of popcorn all finished wait 12 00:00:52,170 --> 00:00:53,610 just in time for the show 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,010 Adam Curry: you didn't even pop your own you got a bag of 14 00:00:56,010 --> 00:00:56,640 popcorn 15 00:00:57,299 --> 00:01:00,299 Dave Jones: Yeah, I don't have time to pop I got I got stuff to 16 00:01:00,299 --> 00:01:00,539 do. 17 00:01:00,630 --> 00:01:03,870 Adam Curry: Yeah well your your pod saves you very busy lots of 18 00:01:03,870 --> 00:01:08,280 stuff lots lots going on. What's happening? Yes. The man about 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:08,640 town. 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,110 Dave Jones: Well, I mean you're you were flying yourself. Yeah, 21 00:01:13,110 --> 00:01:13,860 I apologize 22 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:17,790 Adam Curry: out of the border if you go past go check it out. See 23 00:01:17,790 --> 00:01:20,640 what happened. I actually did look to see if there was an 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,960 airfield near near Eagle Pass and there is not because I would 25 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:28,530 have gladly flown down there but now I'm reading that they expect 26 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:32,970 700,000 trucks Oh, this seems like a lot of trucks. 27 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:37,410 Dave Jones: I think anything over anytime you get into the 28 00:01:37,410 --> 00:01:40,290 1000s when you're talking about trucks even 1000 It's a lot of 29 00:01:40,290 --> 00:01:40,740 drugs a 30 00:01:40,740 --> 00:01:43,170 Adam Curry: lot of trucks a lot of trucks yeah everyone's pretty 31 00:01:43,170 --> 00:01:45,240 jacked in that Texas about this 32 00:01:46,050 --> 00:01:48,660 Dave Jones: Oh yeah. Ready to fight rolling the sleeves up. 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:49,590 You 34 00:01:49,590 --> 00:01:53,400 Adam Curry: know that's what I'm worried about. What are we what 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,270 are we fighting? And all I see the mainstream do is like, Oh, 36 00:01:57,300 --> 00:02:00,810 this is God's army hits white and Christian nationalists. I'm 37 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:03,450 like, I'm not so sure about that. 38 00:02:05,190 --> 00:02:07,200 Dave Jones: I don't think there's that's that's not 39 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,860 accurate. 40 00:02:09,210 --> 00:02:14,880 Adam Curry: It's not accurate. When you go oh, so my buddy Dick 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,110 Pepe. I've known for 35 years he used to be in the music business 42 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:25,140 he back in the South Jersey days writing and producing for Alice 43 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:32,730 Cooper Skid Row some Bon Jovi stuff. Baton Rouge you know a 44 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:35,340 whole bunch of hair bands the Nelson twins 45 00:02:36,090 --> 00:02:41,970 Dave Jones: the nails Oh yeah. I forgot about this great great 46 00:02:41,970 --> 00:02:44,490 Adam Curry: hair that's some pretty good songs that some hit 47 00:02:45,330 --> 00:02:46,590 No, we're okay 48 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:49,860 Dave Jones: with their his name one of their hits. 49 00:02:51,150 --> 00:02:54,270 Adam Curry: As you know you put me on the spot no and 50 00:02:55,830 --> 00:02:58,410 Dave Jones: see their video their music video in my mind. 51 00:02:59,670 --> 00:03:02,100 Adam Curry: I always like some sort of and let me see the 52 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,220 Nelson was it twins are brothers. I can't remember if 53 00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:07,260 they called I think they might have called the Nelson they 54 00:03:07,260 --> 00:03:12,330 would just Nelson Nelson. Yes. Yes, it was. This is this is 55 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:16,800 this one of their big hits. Oh, the video video version. Hey, 56 00:03:16,890 --> 00:03:20,280 let's play a song. Okay. Remember this one can't live 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:20,580 without 58 00:03:21,930 --> 00:03:22,650 Dave Jones: get Louis Yeah. 59 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:26,640 Adam Curry: Hey, check it out, man. Yeah, let's play the song. 60 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:37,260 Like that. Little studio 2343 61 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:37,800 Dave Jones: classic 62 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,150 Adam Curry: anthem starts like that. 63 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,250 Dave Jones: Just like that and extreme more than word nor that 64 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:49,170 yeah, that was confused. Yeah. 65 00:03:49,470 --> 00:03:53,010 Adam Curry: Well, this actually this was also a hit the remember 66 00:03:53,010 --> 00:03:59,280 this one after the rain. Has the concept the concept part of the 67 00:03:59,280 --> 00:03:59,880 video? 68 00:04:01,470 --> 00:04:08,640 Dave Jones: Everybody wants me thriller. Or is this I don't 69 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,190 remember the Native American verb knows 70 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:13,590 Adam Curry: that has something to do with it. Right Come on. 71 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:20,700 Come on guys. Play the song. Oh, that looks so pretty. The Nelson 72 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:28,590 twins are so Freddie. parrot is after his rains. 73 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,220 Dave Jones: I do. You remember this? 74 00:04:33,150 --> 00:04:37,290 Adam Curry: Did this pom pom pom pom pom pom pom? Pom Pom Pom Pom 75 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:38,580 Pom Pom. Anyway 76 00:04:38,580 --> 00:04:40,020 Dave Jones: And this Ricky Nelson's kids. 77 00:04:40,020 --> 00:04:42,690 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. That's exactly they are they're 78 00:04:42,690 --> 00:04:47,430 really nice guys, by the way. So it was Yeah, so I would be part 79 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:50,250 of the crew. We hang out there and playing out in the studio 80 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:54,840 and mess with each other all day long playing pranks. It was 81 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:59,400 Yeah, so anyway, Vic got a clue and get out of the music 82 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,740 business. Yeah, and he got into, this is a great business he's 83 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:11,730 in. So he sells it solutions to companies, I guess a probably be 84 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:15,270 selling to you and the CEO or, you know, maybe this 85 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,150 Dave Jones: foreign guy, this is not the porn guy this year old 86 00:05:18,150 --> 00:05:18,450 buddy. 87 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:21,900 Adam Curry: That's another one of my great friends. No, this is 88 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:27,090 not the corn guy. Thanks. No, no, so he'll sell like my 89 00:05:27,150 --> 00:05:32,220 Microsoft Teams, you know, now with AI integration, or, you 90 00:05:32,220 --> 00:05:36,030 know, some other call center stuff. But then channel partner 91 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:40,530 Yes. And so he, he has the relationship with the company, 92 00:05:40,890 --> 00:05:45,150 takes him out the golf, you know, all the fun stuff. And 93 00:05:45,150 --> 00:05:49,920 then his company managers, the actual implementation partners. 94 00:05:50,940 --> 00:05:54,000 But he gets as long as as long as that company is still 95 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,450 playing, paying, you know, a per seat license for whatever it is, 96 00:05:57,750 --> 00:06:01,980 he gets a piece of that for in perpetuity for, ya know, these 97 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:04,440 guys, this is a great business, 98 00:06:05,130 --> 00:06:08,430 Dave Jones: holy crap the same. This is the same business that 99 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:12,690 all the voice over IP guys use. So it's like, they get you in 100 00:06:12,690 --> 00:06:15,810 and they sell you a white label Voice over IP service. And 101 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:18,870 they're just, they're just like, they don't they don't care. They 102 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:20,850 have like, 10 different providers on the back end. 103 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:22,290 Something Yeah, 104 00:06:22,290 --> 00:06:25,710 Adam Curry: whatever you want. Whatever you want. Yeah. So he 105 00:06:25,710 --> 00:06:29,190 told me this unbelievable story. So somehow he got into the 106 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:33,810 Federal Reserve System, which was like 1215. Banks, who knows? 107 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:42,030 And, and so he's and the, the request there is to reduce their 108 00:06:42,060 --> 00:06:49,260 overall technology spend by $12 million dollars a year. So he 109 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:52,890 gets a spreadsheet. Guess how much the Federal Reserve? I hope 110 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,440 I'm not blowing anything here for him. But guess how much the 111 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Federal Reserve System spends on software annually across all the 112 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,080 banks? Their system? On software? Yes, software licenses 113 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,970 and stuff. I'm 114 00:07:05,970 --> 00:07:10,650 Dave Jones: gonna say 75 million $800 115 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,210 Adam Curry: million. Oh, my God. I'm like, 12 million. That's 116 00:07:15,210 --> 00:07:18,300 just what falls on the floor in the morning. Are you kidding me? 117 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:19,560 You can find that. 118 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:22,680 Dave Jones: That was off by 10x. Isn't 119 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,410 Adam Curry: that crazy? Oh, my gosh. 120 00:07:26,190 --> 00:07:28,410 Dave Jones: I don't It's like Brewster's millions. I wouldn't 121 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:31,830 even be able to know. Like, I wouldn't know how to spin that. 122 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:36,210 What are the use? Here's $150 million. Go spend it. I'm like, 123 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,250 I don't think I can. So then 124 00:07:38,250 --> 00:07:40,440 Adam Curry: I'm showing him you know, Bucha grand ball. I'm 125 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,610 showing, you know, the lit stuff. I'm showing him how the 126 00:07:44,610 --> 00:07:47,760 streaming sites work. And he's like, who implemented all this? 127 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,570 I said, you know, the, the guys and the gals. Yeah, but who did 128 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:54,420 it said? Well, it doesn't. It's like, you know, lightning was a 129 00:07:54,420 --> 00:07:57,330 bunch of other people over there. And RSS is here, and we 130 00:07:57,330 --> 00:08:01,620 do namespace. And he's been his mind is like boggled. But then 131 00:08:01,620 --> 00:08:04,710 when I when I show how you know, and so you're listening here, 132 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:08,280 and then the Satoshis come out here. He's like, what? But But 133 00:08:08,310 --> 00:08:12,060 But couldn't you do that with dollars? I said, No, no, you 134 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:16,680 can't. If we could, I'm sure we would. 10 You can't you would. 135 00:08:16,770 --> 00:08:19,140 Dave Jones: Because every because every 1000 sets that 136 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:26,670 goes in 900 of those would go to a seat of office 365. 137 00:08:29,250 --> 00:08:33,540 Adam Curry: It's just crazy. But anyway, so yeah, so instead of 138 00:08:33,540 --> 00:08:40,410 driving five and a half hours, I got a Safety Pilot and we flew 139 00:08:40,410 --> 00:08:44,820 up, takes exactly one hour from the airport six minutes from my 140 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:49,110 house, so you can't beat that. You just can't beat it. It's so 141 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:53,280 beautiful. This is of course at 16 gallons an hour of gasoline, 142 00:08:53,310 --> 00:08:57,090 the slur brothers slurps a little bit more than the car. 143 00:08:58,470 --> 00:09:00,000 Dave Jones: That's another step. That's a slur. 144 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:04,290 Adam Curry: We flew out after no agenda on Thursday, so it was in 145 00:09:04,290 --> 00:09:08,310 the dark. That was cool. Yeah, that was very cool. Have you 146 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:12,870 flown in the dark much? Well, I did to get my initial license. I 147 00:09:12,870 --> 00:09:15,990 haven't flown in the dark here in Texas. It's just beautiful. 148 00:09:16,170 --> 00:09:16,950 It's beautiful. 149 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:20,700 Dave Jones: Lights and what are you hot? I mean, how hot Are 150 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,410 you? 15,000 No, no, 151 00:09:22,410 --> 00:09:25,770 Adam Curry: it's not pressurized at 9000 feet. Okay, so it's just 152 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:28,230 you know, just where it's comfortable. We're not like I 153 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:30,210 feel kind of spacey 154 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:34,350 Dave Jones: hypoxia, so you don't need pressure. You just 155 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:36,780 need some heat. That's about it. Yeah, 156 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:39,810 Adam Curry: yeah. He was fully air conditioned, you know has 157 00:09:39,930 --> 00:09:46,590 cupholders you name it. Nice Sirius XM Radio. Parachutes 158 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:51,030 parachute apparently CarPlay and Android Auto, whatever you want. 159 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:55,260 We actually can sync your your iPad to to the system. 160 00:09:56,100 --> 00:09:58,860 Dave Jones: So that way you can get your you can get your your 161 00:09:58,860 --> 00:10:01,800 pod with your pod verse chat. yours. Yep, yeah. On the 162 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,850 dashboard, the dashboard Yeah. 9000 feet. 163 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,270 Adam Curry: That's right. That's right. Oh, man. So anyway, so 164 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:13,560 and, you know, just in all the just, I think I've completely 165 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:18,690 spaced on it to tell you that we need to change everything and so 166 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,860 then on a dime, you flip it around and you contact our 167 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:25,650 already scheduled guest today. I'm gonna I'm sure bring him in 168 00:10:25,650 --> 00:10:31,110 here. Who was kind enough to flip his schedule around and we 169 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:34,350 are very proud to have with us the official podcasting 2.0 170 00:10:34,350 --> 00:10:37,950 consultant. Ladies, gentlemen, our other friend on the other 171 00:10:37,950 --> 00:10:39,870 end, Mr. Alex gates. 172 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:41,880 Alecks Gates: Hello, gentlemen. 173 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:44,910 Adam Curry: Yeah, you sound so professional. Nice. So great 174 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:49,170 Alex's number the men the first time we had him on. Yeah 175 00:10:55,770 --> 00:10:59,550 Dave Jones: yeah, yes. Honey tones now. This is great. Oh, I 176 00:10:59,550 --> 00:11:02,130 love it. Oh, you sound great. 177 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:06,420 Adam Curry: He has kind of, he's got the big bottom sound on me. 178 00:11:06,420 --> 00:11:07,740 What am I doing? You got it. 179 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,220 Alecks Gates: Electro voice already? 320 I believe. That's 180 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:12,690 Adam Curry: what that's the Adam curry mic. 181 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,520 Dave Jones: And the Dave Jones mic. Yes. 182 00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:20,460 Adam Curry: I thought SM seven B? No, 183 00:11:20,460 --> 00:11:23,580 Dave Jones: no, I'm on the 320 We're all I've always been on 184 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:24,000 320. 185 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:26,370 Adam Curry: And we're on kick drum mic as a kick drum mic. 186 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,820 Dave Jones: Is it? Yeah. What do you got? Bass? The Alley you 187 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:31,860 got? You got a deep voice. You got a deeper voice than I've 188 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:32,700 ever heard before. 189 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:37,590 Alecks Gates: Yeah, I used to listen to my Allison myself on 190 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:39,840 the old mic. And yeah, I definitely didn't hear it. But I 191 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,410 think you're right. 192 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,070 Adam Curry: The old mic that wasn't a mic wasn't as like just 193 00:11:45,150 --> 00:11:48,000 oh, oh, show beer. What are we drinking? 194 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:53,520 Dave Jones: This is uh, this is a liquid death sparkling water? 195 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:57,570 Because for some reason I like to spend like $3 a can on 196 00:11:57,750 --> 00:12:01,740 Adam Curry: water. Yeah. Very good. Very good. Sorry about. So 197 00:12:01,770 --> 00:12:04,860 I think we should start off with with this rather interesting 198 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:06,630 news that that reached us. 199 00:12:08,010 --> 00:12:09,390 Dave Jones: I would like everybody to take out their 200 00:12:09,390 --> 00:12:14,190 Bibles. Yes. Okay. Bring out the book. Then turn to Luke chapter 201 00:12:14,190 --> 00:12:14,940 11. Verse 202 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:19,260 Adam Curry: five. Okay. And what does it say in 11? Five. Luke 203 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:19,650 chapter 204 00:12:19,650 --> 00:12:23,730 Dave Jones: 11. Verse five says, then teaching them more about 205 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:27,990 prayer. He used this story. Suppose you want you suppose you 206 00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:30,960 went to a friend's house at midnight, wanting to borrow 207 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,800 three loaves of bread. You say to him, a friend of mine has 208 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,340 just arrived for a visit and I have nothing for him to eat. And 209 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:41,220 suppose he calls out from his bedroom. Don't bother me. The 210 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:43,560 door is locked for the night. My family and I are on the bed. I 211 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,660 can't help you. I tell you 212 00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:48,960 Adam Curry: this real scripture, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, 213 00:12:49,140 --> 00:12:51,390 Dave Jones: but I tell you this though, he won't do it for 214 00:12:51,390 --> 00:12:54,690 friendship sake. If you keep knocking long enough. He will 215 00:12:54,690 --> 00:12:57,690 get up and give you whatever you need because of your shameless 216 00:12:57,690 --> 00:12:58,560 persistence. 217 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:06,120 Adam Curry: Say that in the Bible shame. Your shame was. 218 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:10,860 Dave Jones: I love the NIV says You're shameless. You're 219 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,140 shameless audacity. I think. 220 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:17,250 Adam Curry: Truer words never spoken. Go 221 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:19,950 Dave Jones: away. Yeah. So translation is our shameless 222 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:23,100 persistence will eventually annoy everybody into submission. 223 00:13:23,130 --> 00:13:24,330 Even apple. Isn't 224 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:28,470 Adam Curry: this. Where if if your son asks you for, you know, 225 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:31,260 for something to eat, would you give him like a dead fish or 226 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:33,660 something? Or stinky rock? Bread? Would 227 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:35,760 Dave Jones: you give him a stone? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 228 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,940 Adam Curry: Yeah, there you go. I know. I'm sure. Well, it 229 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:43,050 happens their foot in the door without basically by ignoring 230 00:13:43,050 --> 00:13:46,380 them. This is very good. I'm very proud. Very proud, very 231 00:13:46,380 --> 00:13:48,900 proud of our accomplishment that you took a meeting with them 232 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,440 yesterday with the Apple team. Can you talk about that? I mean, 233 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:54,780 you just tell us briefly what happened here because it came 234 00:13:54,930 --> 00:14:00,960 kind of from all directions. First, it was short. And then, 235 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,270 like the floodgates opened up all of a sudden. 236 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:07,920 Dave Jones: Yeah. Ted Hoffman, it's in an email saying, Hey, 237 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,030 let's listen to him. Let's do a meeting. I need to tell you 238 00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:18,030 something. And then, like, out of 30 minutes later, Mastodon 239 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:23,130 Tomlin started blowing up apples do a transcript tag. So, you 240 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:25,770 know, it was just bloody I mean, you know, Todd started, you 241 00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:26,940 know, started the flood and 242 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:30,450 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Yeah. By Todd is usually the guy who's 243 00:14:30,450 --> 00:14:33,180 like, I can't tell you I'm under NDA. 244 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,160 Dave Jones: Todd kind of threw rss.com under the bus in his in 245 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,310 his Oh, really? What did he do? Like? He was like, no, he's 246 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:46,140 like, Hey, I heard Apple's doing the transcript tag because RSS 247 00:14:46,140 --> 00:14:48,810 sent out an email from a thing that they got from Apple. It's 248 00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:51,630 like he was kind of like see like covering his bases like 249 00:14:54,090 --> 00:15:00,780 someone else. Just stuck in the middle guys. But yeah, Oh, it 250 00:15:00,780 --> 00:15:03,420 was but anyway, so yeah, we had we had a meeting and they just 251 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:11,370 showed me the they showed me the transcript feature. And just 252 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:14,010 went over some some implementation details talking 253 00:15:14,010 --> 00:15:17,310 about, like some things that their team has has said about 254 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:22,350 things we should be aware of, with interpretation of the tag. 255 00:15:22,830 --> 00:15:27,300 And then a couple of things that they wanted, that they were 256 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:30,030 Adam Curry: the number one thing they wanted was to be on the 257 00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:31,800 modern podcast apps list. 258 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:37,050 Dave Jones: I said last week, I was like, Look, I'm gonna put 259 00:15:37,050 --> 00:15:42,000 you on modern podcast apps.com. I'm not, I don't know if I can 260 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,700 get you to nude podcast apps.com That's, 261 00:15:45,780 --> 00:15:48,120 Unknown: that means specialist. You 262 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,310 Dave Jones: don't just walk it you don't just walk around your 263 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:53,700 neck, like your pod friend earned that you got to earn 264 00:15:53,700 --> 00:16:01,710 this. So I mean, I think so just in general. They did the right 265 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:07,470 thing. I mean, it's they they're a big company with with a lot of 266 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:10,230 resources, obviously, they could have they could have easily just 267 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:10,860 said look, 268 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:15,030 Adam Curry: screw it iTunes colon transcript, or they could 269 00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:15,120 have 270 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,800 Dave Jones: just not done anything at all and just auto 271 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,200 generated all the transcripts and said, Do you know that's 272 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,560 what you get? We're not your you can't do your own transcript, 273 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,360 we're just going to auto generate them. It's what Spotify 274 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,430 does. And you and YouTube, 275 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:30,990 Adam Curry: this is what this is what made me so happy. I even 276 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:34,950 saw in their spec in their, you know, their spec or whatever 277 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:39,600 they call it kind of the how to use podcasts Apple podcast, they 278 00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:43,470 refer to the namespace to the GitHub namespace. That was cool. 279 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:46,680 Yeah, link to it on there. Yeah. So what are the parameters 280 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,540 around this? That if you have an existing transcript that will 281 00:16:51,540 --> 00:16:55,050 flow through, they won't do anything? It'll just happen. 282 00:16:55,410 --> 00:17:01,440 And, and do they, for just from what I've been reading, at 9000 283 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,950 feet, excuse me, I have to read a little person messengers here. 284 00:17:06,660 --> 00:17:13,380 It appears that they will take your name recognition, Speaker 285 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:16,800 names and stuff, and that'll show up that that'll all work 286 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,490 perfectly. 287 00:17:18,569 --> 00:17:22,229 Dave Jones: Yeah. So there's, yes. Let me go over a little bit 288 00:17:22,229 --> 00:17:29,459 of the technical partners. They so they didn't they did they did 289 00:17:29,459 --> 00:17:31,709 it. It's I don't know if you've seen it, but they did it very 290 00:17:31,709 --> 00:17:34,679 well. I mean, it looks, it looks no I haven't seen it looks 291 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:37,979 really good. It's got the word by word highlighting that's. 292 00:17:38,670 --> 00:17:40,410 Adam Curry: VTT word by word or 293 00:17:41,309 --> 00:17:45,299 Dave Jones: TT or SRT both both. Oh, cool. Yeah, write custom 294 00:17:45,299 --> 00:17:50,489 font. For for it. Speak. It's the guest speaker labels, if 295 00:17:50,489 --> 00:17:55,169 those are in there, but only in VTT. You can search the 296 00:17:55,169 --> 00:18:00,449 transcript there's halls or music that plays during the show 297 00:18:00,449 --> 00:18:04,589 that you'll get this little icon sort of like, like, three dot 298 00:18:04,589 --> 00:18:07,349 indicator saying, Hey, we're just kind of chillin while until 299 00:18:07,379 --> 00:18:09,929 the words come back. As basically everything you'd 300 00:18:09,929 --> 00:18:13,649 expect in a high quality transcript feature. I mean, 301 00:18:14,399 --> 00:18:20,129 other 2.0 apps go further, obviously, like pod friend. True 302 00:18:20,129 --> 00:18:26,129 friends, go further and show like in show the person tag and 303 00:18:26,129 --> 00:18:28,799 link, you know, link out to the Avid, you know, avatars of the 304 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:32,729 speaker. But I mean, when it comes to honoring just the 305 00:18:32,729 --> 00:18:38,429 intent of this one tag. I can't really find anything to 306 00:18:38,429 --> 00:18:45,059 criticize. I mean, I think I think there is room for them to 307 00:18:45,059 --> 00:18:48,209 go forward and start to do more of this stuff. And I think 308 00:18:48,209 --> 00:18:51,209 they've, I think by doing this, they've indicated that they that 309 00:18:51,209 --> 00:18:54,119 they're open to do that. You can't really find anything to 310 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,079 criticize because they're mean 311 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,119 Adam Curry: well, they basically accept they've accepted the 312 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,929 namespace that that's the thing that makes me happy on the other 313 00:19:00,929 --> 00:19:06,179 side, I'm also like, okay, so I still want our apps to be super 314 00:19:06,179 --> 00:19:07,979 competitive, which they 315 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,560 Dave Jones: are and they will be so I 316 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:13,349 Adam Curry: want from my perspective you No, I'm not 317 00:19:13,349 --> 00:19:17,099 gonna like Oh, it's great. Everyone go to Apple nope, no, 318 00:19:17,099 --> 00:19:21,389 no, not gonna not gonna do that. But I really appreciate the 319 00:19:21,389 --> 00:19:24,779 people who were there and who have implemented it in this 320 00:19:24,779 --> 00:19:29,489 manner because that is exactly that's exactly what you'd hope 321 00:19:29,489 --> 00:19:33,809 and it is exactly what we never expected. Because big that not 322 00:19:33,809 --> 00:19:38,159 nothing against Apple per se, but you know, Spotify is is the 323 00:19:38,399 --> 00:19:41,759 is the example. They just go out. No, we're Spotify. We got 324 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:50,459 it all. And I think it's a big fu to Spotify. It's it also I'm 325 00:19:50,459 --> 00:19:55,049 sure they did this a because it's kind of low hanging fruit. 326 00:19:55,679 --> 00:19:59,999 Seems it also was good because you know they're they're genuine 327 00:19:59,999 --> 00:20:05,009 writing it for every podcast. It. I think it kind of spurs 328 00:20:05,009 --> 00:20:08,609 people on to do it through their hosts, because you have a lot 329 00:20:08,609 --> 00:20:11,699 more control over over what's happening there. And I, I'm sure 330 00:20:11,699 --> 00:20:16,019 their transcripts are great. I don't know what they're using, 331 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:19,679 and also kind of shows that speaker recognition is hard 332 00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:22,259 business, which is why they're not doing it. 333 00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:25,199 Dave Jones: Well, they Yeah, they're not Yeah, they're not 334 00:20:25,199 --> 00:20:30,659 doing that in this. So they've kind of built to think this is 335 00:20:30,659 --> 00:20:32,969 worth talking about for a second, they built two things 336 00:20:32,969 --> 00:20:38,909 here. They built a transcript generation service. And this 337 00:20:38,909 --> 00:20:41,819 feature into the podcast app, so you can go and grab the 338 00:20:41,819 --> 00:20:45,389 transcript that they auto generate for you. You can edit 339 00:20:45,389 --> 00:20:49,889 it, and then stick it back in your feed with the RSS with the 340 00:20:49,889 --> 00:20:53,579 podcast transcript, right? And you have a VTT transcript that 341 00:20:53,579 --> 00:20:57,509 was auto generated for you. And so you, you can basically just 342 00:20:57,539 --> 00:21:00,059 use that thing for free. And they encourage that. I mean, 343 00:21:00,059 --> 00:21:01,979 they said that during the meeting, they're like, you know, 344 00:21:02,339 --> 00:21:04,769 here's how you do it, you round trip it back through RSS if you 345 00:21:04,769 --> 00:21:05,459 want to do this. 346 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:08,760 Adam Curry: So could you even automate that from a podcast 347 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,720 hosting company? 348 00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,110 Dave Jones: I don't think so. And and I think they're 349 00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:15,420 probably, you know, I think it probably terms and stuff like 350 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:18,090 that, but I think like, you know, I don't know, that'd be 351 00:21:18,090 --> 00:21:21,780 kind of weird, but but I did ask them does it work on video 352 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:24,480 podcasts? And this is, you know, someone to talk to you about 353 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,530 Alex? Because I was thinking about peer to does does this 354 00:21:28,530 --> 00:21:31,890 work on video podcasts? They said no. So the transcripts or 355 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,420 audio podcast, only writing it for now, and they said they 356 00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:39,270 really have any plans to make that to make that any different. 357 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,750 But I think VTT does what appear to us is right. Yeah, correct. 358 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:52,560 Okay, is that does is their, this, this was kind of this was 359 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,920 kind of odd, I think in because I didn't really fully understand 360 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,860 the VTT spec. That well, until this week, when I had to go and 361 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:05,910 kind of brush up on things. And I didn't realize until a couple 362 00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:10,860 of days ago, that is the how intense this thing is. It has 363 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:16,440 got so much it's in it's essentially XML in, in, it's 364 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,430 like a sec, you take SRT, and you embed a stylesheet engine, 365 00:22:20,790 --> 00:22:24,480 and XML and all this stuff into it. It is a crazy big spec with 366 00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:29,280 all kinds of stuff like you can make. You can control the style 367 00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:34,170 of the output of all the VT of all the cash, like a markdown 368 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,270 type thing. markdown. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. In like, 369 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:43,950 it's pretty intense. But from my understanding, I don't know what 370 00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:47,040 peer tube supports when it shows it. But they said they're on 371 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,500 their side that they're only going to basically they're just 372 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:51,750 doing speaker Speaker Labels. And that's it. 373 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:56,819 Alecks Gates: Yeah, I don't think peer tube even enforces 374 00:22:56,819 --> 00:23:01,049 the spirit Speaker Labels. And anyway, just kind of converts if 375 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:05,459 you can upload SRT. So it's like a really basic, basic trans 376 00:23:05,489 --> 00:23:08,639 transcript. I think it only uses VTT, because that's what the 377 00:23:08,639 --> 00:23:09,539 browser supports. 378 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:12,930 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Because you can just stick that run to 379 00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:15,240 the to the like, video tag or whatever. 380 00:23:16,050 --> 00:23:20,220 Alecks Gates: We do have Mark calls film killing yard has a 381 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:24,780 VTT transcript that someone could test with. It's really 382 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:31,770 basic isn't it gets out of sync to I don't even know if Apple 383 00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:33,480 supports HLS video anyway. 384 00:23:34,619 --> 00:23:36,509 Adam Curry: I thought that they pioneered it. I thought they 385 00:23:36,509 --> 00:23:38,159 pioneered they created Yeah. 386 00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:39,660 Alecks Gates: Well, they've created the protocol. I don't 387 00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:42,660 know if they're supporting Apple podcasts. Okay, okay. Oh, 388 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:44,520 Dave Jones: that's, that was that'd be it? 389 00:23:45,419 --> 00:23:47,219 Alecks Gates: I have no idea. I just don't know. 390 00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:49,590 Adam Curry: Did they say anything else? I mean, did you 391 00:23:49,650 --> 00:23:53,100 say you definitely felt that there was an A A hint of well, 392 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,760 this is based start, you know, the we this is how we'll do 393 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,850 stuff, maybe more coming dot dot dot. 394 00:24:01,109 --> 00:24:03,749 Dave Jones: I mean, I did get I did get that feeling. I felt 395 00:24:03,749 --> 00:24:06,719 like they wanted to play ball. But they with with things in the 396 00:24:06,719 --> 00:24:10,499 future. But there's they're big and they're slow. And they take 397 00:24:10,499 --> 00:24:13,049 a lot of time. And honestly, I mean, that's that. I mean, 398 00:24:13,049 --> 00:24:15,929 that's okay. But it may not understand. I mean, that's the 399 00:24:15,929 --> 00:24:20,249 way things go in a large corporation. And so the, I mean, 400 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:24,299 they asked Ted I'm like, Well, what, you know, what, what would 401 00:24:24,299 --> 00:24:27,629 your message be to like people in the podcasting 2.0 deaf 402 00:24:27,629 --> 00:24:31,619 group. And he said, I want you know, he's like, if I can say 403 00:24:31,619 --> 00:24:35,579 anything, I would say that Apple podcast is a modern podcast app. 404 00:24:35,579 --> 00:24:39,629 I want them to think of it that way. Wow. That tells me that you 405 00:24:39,629 --> 00:24:42,089 know, they're there want to go forward with other things. So 406 00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:42,779 we'll see what happens 407 00:24:42,809 --> 00:24:44,039 Adam Curry: boosting is next. 408 00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:53,070 Dave Jones: Me I think I think VTT I don't know if you agree 409 00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:56,490 with this, Alex. But I mean, it's hard to ignore somebody 410 00:24:56,490 --> 00:24:59,760 that's got that much. So in an app coming in, that has that 411 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,460 much market share. So it really makes I think VTT probably 412 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,280 become the default. Probably what everybody should be 413 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,590 generating by default, since it's basically, since it's 414 00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:13,830 really not that much more difficult to generate than SRT. 415 00:25:16,019 --> 00:25:17,729 Alecks Gates: Yeah, I would agree with that. There's pretty 416 00:25:17,729 --> 00:25:20,609 much no reason not too. I mean, there, there's an argument to be 417 00:25:20,609 --> 00:25:24,359 made that we could maybe some of the absolute favorite JSON just 418 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,489 because of the word by word timestamps. But otherwise, I 419 00:25:29,579 --> 00:25:30,359 would agree with that. 420 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,650 Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz then you then you just get, you get web 421 00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:36,450 kind of for free. You know? 422 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:43,110 Adam Curry: I'm just looking to see if otter outputs VTT, I 423 00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:47,190 don't even know I never even looked at it. I say SRT 424 00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:50,700 Dave Jones: and VTT are so close, all relate to each other. 425 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:53,760 I mean, they're, they're so close to each other as far as 426 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,860 the actual format goes. I guarantee you there's some like, 427 00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:02,070 converter or something like that. But But see, you know, on 428 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:08,970 the podcast in 2.0, the app side? Well, I guess I can 429 00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:14,340 clarify does that anymore. But so in on the, you know, for the 430 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:18,540 apps, like from the from that podcast, and on a dev group, 431 00:26:19,050 --> 00:26:24,120 those are going to be probably a lot of times using Steven 432 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,950 craters transcript, dater live. Right, right. So they can just 433 00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:33,300 kind of consume anything in and out, and they're going to 434 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:37,590 output. Whatever. I mean, I think the developers really even 435 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:40,650 care at that point what you give them they're just, they 436 00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:42,420 Adam Curry: can they can pick and eat it however they want. 437 00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:47,370 Yeah, but newsflash otter does not do, Vicente. That's what 438 00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:55,950 I've been using SRT. Yeah. So this, of course, begs the 439 00:26:55,950 --> 00:27:04,680 question. Do we now get to say that approximately 46% of all 440 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,020 downloads are podcast 2.0 apps? Let's be honest about it. 441 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,279 Alecks Gates: I think so. It's really, it's really validating, 442 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,339 as someone who works so hard the namespace because I was 443 00:27:17,339 --> 00:27:19,439 listening to pod news weekly review, and they were talking 444 00:27:19,439 --> 00:27:23,489 about Lipson, you know, pretty much not caring about podcasting 445 00:27:23,489 --> 00:27:27,329 2.0 features, and it's like, do you want to change the world? Or 446 00:27:27,329 --> 00:27:29,429 do you want apple to do it for you? And 447 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:35,280 Adam Curry: and learn there's no coincidences in the kingdom? No 448 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,640 sooner? No sooner had those words been spoken? Or they they 449 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,410 did it? They did exactly that. 450 00:27:41,009 --> 00:27:43,139 Dave Jones: What a great that that's a great way to put it. 451 00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:47,399 Alex is like, are you just gonna sit back and wait for somebody 452 00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:49,559 else to do this stuff for you? Or do you want to have a hand in 453 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,369 creating it? And then right now, I feel you on that, brother, I 454 00:27:53,369 --> 00:27:58,979 mean, like, so. And I think that I think that they're going to be 455 00:27:58,979 --> 00:28:03,239 involved in the way that they can. So one of the things that 456 00:28:03,239 --> 00:28:04,169 they requested 457 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,130 Adam Curry: was an invite to podcasting. Next on social. 458 00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,880 We're already there. I mean, I know we got people there lurk, 459 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,090 and 460 00:28:15,089 --> 00:28:18,929 Dave Jones: yeah, they're like, but one of the things that they 461 00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:25,709 talked about was, AI, was tagging. So they're, they're big 462 00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:31,919 on. They're big on AI tagging. So they want things to be 463 00:28:31,979 --> 00:28:35,819 clearly labeled whether or not in there, if you look on their 464 00:28:35,819 --> 00:28:39,629 transcript page, if it's an auto generated transcript that they 465 00:28:39,629 --> 00:28:44,339 created in their system, it's going to say at the bottom, this 466 00:28:44,339 --> 00:28:49,379 was generated, this is auto generated. And they want to, he 467 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:53,939 was saying that he wanted to extend that if possible, by 468 00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:56,249 adding it's 469 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:00,840 Adam Curry: he's lurking quick, let me kick them off. 470 00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:07,080 Dave Jones: So he said, he said they want to extend that to, to 471 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,690 the transcript tag, if we can figure out as a group a way to 472 00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:14,280 do that, well, essentially, like put in some sort of generator 473 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,430 attribute or something that was called where this transcript 474 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:18,000 came from. 475 00:29:18,030 --> 00:29:21,840 Adam Curry: I think I recall a discussion about that on a on 476 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,420 the GitHub, I think, actually, James might have been talking 477 00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:27,600 about that, if I recall correctly. There was something 478 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,350 about that, 479 00:29:28,769 --> 00:29:31,829 Dave Jones: as well, there was a tag proposal for just in general 480 00:29:31,859 --> 00:29:35,999 saying, tagging an entire podcast as this is an AI 481 00:29:35,999 --> 00:29:40,979 podcast, like it. This is an AI generated podcast. And I think 482 00:29:41,069 --> 00:29:45,959 that like this would be you know, what they were saying and, 483 00:29:46,499 --> 00:29:51,239 and I think it's probably a good idea is that if you extend if 484 00:29:51,239 --> 00:29:55,379 you sort of like because that's a little bit too broad. I mean, 485 00:29:55,499 --> 00:29:59,519 like there's certain aspects of the podcast that could be aI 486 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,209 generated Did you may that we may really need to have 487 00:30:03,209 --> 00:30:07,919 disclosed? Like, perhaps the transcript itself comes from an 488 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:11,099 AI generated come in, it could be that your deck could almost 489 00:30:11,099 --> 00:30:13,979 be like a disclaimer like, Hey, don't you know if we, if this 490 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:18,179 thing gets wrong? Yeah, it came from it came from AI or 491 00:30:18,179 --> 00:30:18,629 whatever, it 492 00:30:18,659 --> 00:30:20,609 Adam Curry: shouldn't be at the bottom, it should be at the top 493 00:30:20,609 --> 00:30:22,709 of the transcript, honestly, for sure. 494 00:30:23,309 --> 00:30:26,909 Dave Jones: in things like, like the, maybe the person tag it 495 00:30:26,909 --> 00:30:29,789 had, maybe there's a attribute in there this is, you know, is 496 00:30:29,789 --> 00:30:32,819 this essentially some sort of way to indicate whether or not 497 00:30:32,819 --> 00:30:35,549 this was an actual person or some kind of autogenerate? Just 498 00:30:35,549 --> 00:30:35,609 a 499 00:30:35,609 --> 00:30:38,639 Adam Curry: crazy thought. But, you know, the, the GitHub 500 00:30:38,639 --> 00:30:43,079 discussions are open for anybody. I mean, now, it's kind 501 00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,389 of going through one person than the next, but I'd love to see 502 00:30:45,389 --> 00:30:48,149 them in there with some proposals. Now, 503 00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:49,950 Dave Jones: they're in there. They're in there sometimes. 504 00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:52,890 Yeah, they were, you know, they worked on the txt tag with us. 505 00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:55,380 Adam Curry: Right, right. Okay, good. Good. 506 00:30:55,529 --> 00:30:58,379 Dave Jones: Yeah. But I think I think it's something that will 507 00:30:58,409 --> 00:30:58,589 well, 508 00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:03,450 Adam Curry: now I'm gonna go buy an Apple vision Pro. I feel good 509 00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:07,020 now. And while we're on the topic, anyone who might be 510 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:10,590 listening over there, I am very gung ho on creating a virtual 511 00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:14,850 podcast studio, here's an opportunity, just say, where 512 00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:17,220 Dave Jones: you can fly now without leaving your home. At 513 00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:20,040 the border. I live in Fredericksburg. 514 00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:23,310 Adam Curry: Now I want to be flying and doing a podcast at 515 00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:24,030 the same time. 516 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:30,660 Dave Jones: He's got the Patriot app, he just load up. So yeah, 517 00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:33,030 but it's good. I mean, that's great. Good thing. Yeah. 518 00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:35,759 Adam Curry: And congratulations to everybody. Congratulations to 519 00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:42,959 everybody in the podcast and 2.0 orchestra. And enter the apple 520 00:31:42,959 --> 00:31:47,279 team, I'm really very happy about this. Because this is one 521 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,339 of these moments. And I think we've talked about this 522 00:31:50,339 --> 00:31:53,729 Meantime, just someone's gonna happen. And then and, and there 523 00:31:53,729 --> 00:31:57,329 will be a bump. And this is although this is maybe not a 524 00:31:57,329 --> 00:32:02,969 huge public facing bump. This is something that shows it 525 00:32:02,969 --> 00:32:06,029 completely certifies what we're doing, it validates what we're 526 00:32:06,029 --> 00:32:06,419 doing. 527 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,420 Dave Jones: I just think it's hilarious to have podcast 528 00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:12,810 apps.com and apple at the very bottom of the list, one tag. 529 00:32:13,650 --> 00:32:15,060 That just makes me so happy. 530 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,600 Adam Curry: Speaking of lists, so and I see you have some 531 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,370 clips, of course, I haven't listened to anything you sent 532 00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:26,400 me. But there wasn't a discussion. I also have not 533 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,220 unfortunately listened to pod pod news weekly review, I feel 534 00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:32,310 like I haven't done my homework this week yet. But I saw the 535 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:35,910 topics. And so this was a conversation that well, you 536 00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:41,220 know, and I if I recall, the the people of podcasting 2.0 They 537 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:45,930 won't really tell you that it's only 1% of apps. Like okay, and 538 00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:49,290 then so I started a little a little thread. I said, Well, 539 00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:53,700 this all depends, you know, we can all wait around for, you 540 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:58,500 know, some some marketing firm to come along and promote the 541 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:03,150 benefits of podcasting 2.0 Or do what people are already doing is 542 00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:06,810 I promote to my slightly less than 1 million no agenda 543 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,890 listeners an app, you know, podcast apps.com, but I always 544 00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:14,850 talk about an app that I'm using. And then I went and I 545 00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:17,280 looked at the OP three stats, and I see that, you know, I've 546 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,530 got 30% using pod verse, I've got 15% using fountain, then 547 00:33:22,530 --> 00:33:27,390 chyron pops up his op three list, he's got 60% of his 548 00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:31,710 audience using fountain. This is this is how the marketing works. 549 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:35,340 And, and to me, it was just kind of like, I like to remind 550 00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:39,330 everybody, podcasting isn't a platform. You know, it's not 551 00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:43,740 like one big monolith where, you know, it's only the aggregate 552 00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:48,240 that counts. It's just not true. So I have a million people, 553 00:33:48,270 --> 00:33:53,940 there's 300,000 that are using pod verse. That's not bad. 554 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600 Dave Jones: No, that's not that's not bad. That's, that's 555 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,820 not just not bad. That's great. Yeah. Like, 556 00:34:00,479 --> 00:34:02,609 Adam Curry: then, and a couple of people were putting up their 557 00:34:02,609 --> 00:34:05,729 stats. And I was like, No, yeah, you can look at it that way that 558 00:34:05,729 --> 00:34:11,609 it's less than 1%. But for my world, which is only important 559 00:34:11,609 --> 00:34:15,959 to me, it's a much higher number, and I'm super happy and 560 00:34:15,959 --> 00:34:19,889 I and I get those people to use those apps. And they try 561 00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:23,099 different ones out. And you know, there's a lot of there's 562 00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:27,419 15 of them now. And and I promote the I promote the 563 00:34:27,419 --> 00:34:32,429 benefits and for my money. The number one thing that I'd love 564 00:34:32,429 --> 00:34:37,259 to see Apple use is pod ping. I mean, that wouldn't actually you 565 00:34:37,259 --> 00:34:40,559 could actually send out a press release that Apple is saving the 566 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:47,249 environment by polling less, and we have hundreds of 1000s of 567 00:34:47,249 --> 00:34:49,349 feeds that are that are hitting pod ping 568 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,470 Dave Jones: with you, if you Yeah, I mean, Alex brought up so 569 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,830 you know he is talking about Alex, you were talking about 570 00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:01,590 what Rob said he's you Just just to catch everybody up in case 571 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:07,590 they don't know what we're talking about. This is Rob Walsh 572 00:35:07,590 --> 00:35:12,270 from the feed, which he works at Lipson, and he's they have a 573 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,490 podcast called the feed. And he's talked to him about on 574 00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:20,520 there. He had a question from a listener about what is 575 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,810 podcasting? 2.0? Like, how do I get involved? And this was his 576 00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:25,320 answer. 577 00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:30,120 Adam Curry: Which one is this? Internet? Rob? Rob, what 578 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,860 Dave Jones: is podcasting? 2.0? I'm 579 00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:35,400 Adam Curry: sorry, yes, I see it here at the bottom. Alright, 580 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,150 Unknown: podcasting. 2.0 is not one thing. It is many, many 581 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,080 different items, none of which are supported by Apple podcasts 582 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,950 or Spotify. Actually, less than 1% of all downloads to 583 00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:50,700 aggregator apps come from apps that support any of the podcast 584 00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:54,540 2.0 specs, this is something you do not hear the podcast 2.0 585 00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:57,690 proponents mention, there's virtually no support on the 586 00:35:57,690 --> 00:36:01,680 listener side per aggregator apps, which is where it's posted 587 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,430 matter most. 588 00:36:06,659 --> 00:36:08,369 Dave Jones: You put that in there, that was not me, you're 589 00:36:08,369 --> 00:36:14,969 trying to serve me. I'm gonna ignore the the fact that, you 590 00:36:14,969 --> 00:36:19,379 know, now this is this is incorrect. That's not fair. But 591 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,610 Adam Curry: But hold on, hold on a second. You can ignore it. We 592 00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:28,620 talked we talked to Libsyn, two years ago. And yeah, we're gonna 593 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:32,820 do it, we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. I felt personally, 594 00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:36,330 I felt there was like, You're, you're the one of the first 595 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:39,600 companies that was out there, you've had a rough ride with all 596 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,190 kinds of vO company issues. But that felt that felt like you're 597 00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:50,550 kicking us a little bit. Take it. Right. And if you were 598 00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:56,580 implementing one tag, then I would take the criticism. Read 599 00:36:56,580 --> 00:37:00,570 it. But if you implement nothing like that, that just that just 600 00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:04,290 seemed a little bullish. bullish. No, 601 00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,870 Dave Jones: it did it. It will we I mean, we yeah, we had a 602 00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:08,790 meeting with them. And, you know, it's one of their lead 603 00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:11,280 developers. And I think the president of that company, and, 604 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,310 you know, they told us that they were like, Well, we're here we, 605 00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:17,250 you know, we want to dive in, send us all the documentation 606 00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:19,530 that you've gotten us put together and spend time putting 607 00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:21,450 together a bunch of documentation and emailing it to 608 00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:24,780 them, and then they didn't do anything. Right. And, you know, 609 00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:28,980 which is, is fine. I mean, evangelism is the hardest part 610 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:32,370 of any open source project and 99% of the time, it doesn't 611 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:33,660 produce any results. Just 612 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:38,250 Adam Curry: ask Jesus. It was really difficult. I just had a 613 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:42,120 hard time getting the word out. Yeah, it's very spiritual 614 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,480 podcast today. Yes, I was you started it. Yeah, 615 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,070 Dave Jones: I did. I did is muffled. So if we like, if I 616 00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:52,890 don't really care about criticism, if I did. We, I 617 00:37:52,889 --> 00:37:53,969 Adam Curry: mean, we were 618 00:37:54,329 --> 00:37:59,669 Dave Jones: a long time ago. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, 619 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,069 I guess. I guess it's, you know, we're not hiding anything. And 620 00:38:05,069 --> 00:38:07,919 the biggest issue with what he said, as far as I'm concerned 621 00:38:07,949 --> 00:38:12,719 is, and I kind of want to move on to something else. The that 622 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,829 ALC said it but my biggest thing with him with what he said was 623 00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:23,849 that he's talking about podcast stats as if they are one thing 624 00:38:23,849 --> 00:38:27,119 that indicate that is yeah, like you said, is if the entire 625 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:31,619 industry is one monolithic thing, yes. It's it's like, it's 626 00:38:31,619 --> 00:38:36,569 like talking about the economy in terms of GDP. Yeah. The GDP 627 00:38:36,569 --> 00:38:40,199 went up two and a half percent in quarter, you know, in in 628 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:40,889 2020. 629 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,470 Adam Curry: My step kid in Brooklyn, she's starving. Kids, 630 00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:48,900 there's waiting tables. Exactly. Yeah, 631 00:38:48,899 --> 00:38:51,899 Dave Jones: your GED, your your two and a half percent GDP did 632 00:38:51,899 --> 00:38:55,889 not, you know, doesn't help the guy who lost his gig. Who got 633 00:38:55,889 --> 00:39:00,419 laid off? Yeah, it's irrelevant. It's an irrelevant number, the 634 00:39:00,419 --> 00:39:04,259 stat those kinds of stats don't mean anything. Because like you 635 00:39:04,259 --> 00:39:06,719 said, the biggest podcaster in the world, Joe Rogan has one 636 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,589 app. Yeah, 637 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:11,940 Adam Curry: one. And he's maybe four or 5% of all downloads. 638 00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:13,080 Yes. 639 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:20,190 Dave Jones: So these, saying this is just, to me indicates a 640 00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:24,360 misunderstanding of the nature of the podcast ecosystem at a 641 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:32,070 fundamental level. Yeah. And I think, you know, when people say 642 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:36,750 when people say this, when people use these kind of 643 00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:39,900 arguments, I think, what they're, what they're saying is, 644 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,760 you know, companies that are heavily invested in and making 645 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,790 money from pot in advertising, digital advertising, basically, 646 00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:52,290 podcasting. I think what they're really saying is these features 647 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,520 are boring because they don't allow me to make any money off 648 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,450 your podcast. 649 00:39:59,670 --> 00:40:04,140 Adam Curry: Yeah, Yeah. Although people do move hosts for these 650 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:05,160 types of features. 651 00:40:05,909 --> 00:40:07,859 Dave Jones: Yeah. And I'm not being ugly. I'm just saying that 652 00:40:07,859 --> 00:40:12,449 I mean, I think that's true. I think there's a there's because 653 00:40:12,449 --> 00:40:18,359 these these companies, they sell advertising on these shows. And 654 00:40:18,359 --> 00:40:20,909 so like, if they look at that chapters, and they're like, 655 00:40:20,909 --> 00:40:23,819 Well, I don't give a crap about chapters. I mean, how does that 656 00:40:23,819 --> 00:40:27,419 help me make money? Like, I think there's, I think it gets 657 00:40:27,419 --> 00:40:31,109 clouded like that, right? Yeah. Well, in that Yeah, absolutely. 658 00:40:31,229 --> 00:40:33,389 Adam Curry: Absolutely. It's the same thing is, you know, hey, 659 00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:36,719 there's $2 billion dollars going around and podcasting. Okay. 660 00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:42,390 Dave Jones: Yes, but, you know, the other thing, I think, I 661 00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:49,530 think what ALC said, was more interesting to me. She talked 662 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:53,220 about being intimidated by the technical nature of 2.0. I am 663 00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:57,060 Unknown: not negative about podcasting 2.0 features, and I 664 00:40:57,090 --> 00:41:01,920 really find them exciting. But I'm at a loss as to how to 665 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,330 communicate a lot of this in a simple manner, with the 666 00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:11,160 demographic and psychographic that I serve. And also, if I 667 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,890 want to participate in a lot of this stuff, a lot of the 668 00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:18,540 conversations I've seen around podcasting, 2.0 is very 669 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:22,890 technically centric. And I feel like I don't understand it 670 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:27,720 myself. And I kind of feel overwhelmed. And, like, I'm not 671 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,870 smart enough to know this stuff. Like, that's just a personal 672 00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:33,660 feeling that I get when these conversations come up. 673 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,960 Not that they're trying to make people feel that way. No, no, I 674 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,710 mean, I, I actually feel like I don't even know what to say 675 00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:43,680 about that. Because in all honesty, I get confused by a lot 676 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,130 of the conversations, I feel intimidated by you being in the 677 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,460 in those rooms, or in rooms, as in like not actual rooms, you 678 00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:53,700 know what I mean? Like in communities that are really pro 679 00:41:53,850 --> 00:41:58,800 podcast 2.0. Because a lot of the conversations are really 680 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,890 technical. And I feel like I don't even know what to say, I 681 00:42:01,890 --> 00:42:04,920 wouldn't even know like, all I would be doing is going so what 682 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,450 is that? Wait, what? What is that? Like? What's, uh, where 683 00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:13,140 does that go? How do I see that again, like, and so I feel like 684 00:42:13,140 --> 00:42:18,180 they'd be explained, like explaining way basics. And 685 00:42:19,049 --> 00:42:20,669 Adam Curry: oh, well, that's a very good point. 686 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,300 Dave Jones: Yeah, and I'm glad he threw in there that, you 687 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:24,630 know, 688 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,600 Adam Curry: that we're not doing our purpose. Yeah, exactly. 689 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,970 Dave Jones: I thought that I thought that was a good thing 690 00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:31,530 that he threw in, 691 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,530 Adam Curry: well, this will this is good. And this conversation 692 00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:42,750 comes back from time to time. And then it happened again. The, 693 00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:46,770 I think we can agree now, if not, I think it was said quite 694 00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:52,500 clearly, podcasts. index.org should not be the place to 695 00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:59,370 explain podcasting. 2.0. No, first of all, the podcasts, 696 00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:04,020 hosting companies. They're the ones that speak to the 697 00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:07,230 podcasters. And I think they've done a pretty good job of 698 00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:12,030 explaining some of these features. That's their job they 699 00:43:12,030 --> 00:43:15,420 and walking people through these features and how they have 700 00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:23,760 helped desk when people get stuck. I want to see 2530 4050 701 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,170 websites that explain it if you if you go looking for the 702 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:33,510 official podcasting website, it doesn't exist. But there's 1000s 703 00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:38,520 of YouTube videos and hundreds of podcasts, Dave Jackson School 704 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,090 of podcasting that explain what this is, I mean, there's 20 705 00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:49,620 years of explanation. And you know, Daniel J. Lewis, he's, you 706 00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:52,770 know, he's, he has ideas and I think he should put them out 707 00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:56,400 there. And I'd be the first point to say, hey, if you're 708 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,480 looking for an explanation of of these features, check this out. 709 00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:04,890 Listen to this podcast. Whenever someone says to me how to get 710 00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:07,680 started with the podcast, I send them to school of podcasting. 711 00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:12,060 Always like go there Dave Jackson gets it and I think you 712 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:16,290 can also get some some episodes and lessons on podcasting 2.0 713 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,440 that we need more of that and so I just want to make sure we move 714 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,040 away from the notion that you know that somehow we need to be 715 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,470 the marketing site because it'll never be good ever. It won't we 716 00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:35,460 tried it we had a guy who was trying to do it and and he left 717 00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:38,400 because we were like, No, this is not this is not is not good. 718 00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,630 It's not and he laughed. He's like, Oh, you guys no good Yeah, 719 00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:46,500 that's right. But this is this is not it. Now and I hope that 720 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,130 Dame Jennifer she she sent me a note the other day she says I'm 721 00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:53,520 working on the on the video explanation of this, like that's 722 00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:58,080 fantastic. It will happen. I mean, it took a while. Then, 723 00:44:58,710 --> 00:45:00,930 four to four to happen. Initially, I mean, in the 724 00:45:00,930 --> 00:45:04,710 beginning, we had to tell listeners to go find an orange 725 00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:10,020 RSS icon, right click copy, go to your app to hit some, 726 00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:13,710 subscribe, don't worry, it's not going to cost you a subscription 727 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:16,710 doesn't cost you anything, I just explained that paste, and 728 00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:20,340 then then it's in there. You know, these things take time and 729 00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:25,080 the end, people will start to, you know, create lessons and 730 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:26,400 information. 731 00:45:29,489 --> 00:45:31,259 Dave Jones: Let's step back, let's step back for a minute and 732 00:45:31,259 --> 00:45:35,249 just look at what podcasting itself like actually consists of 733 00:45:38,129 --> 00:45:43,949 multiple locations of HTTP objects delivered over IP, one 734 00:45:43,949 --> 00:45:49,739 of which contains an XML file, describing metadata of a show, 735 00:45:50,429 --> 00:45:54,899 and a bunch of episodes, in part in other HTTP locations, 736 00:45:55,769 --> 00:46:00,089 describing potentially mp3 files, WAV files, other audio 737 00:46:00,089 --> 00:46:05,249 file types, I mean, explaining this setup to any normal person. 738 00:46:05,549 --> 00:46:09,359 You've already it's completely hopeless. You've already RSS 739 00:46:09,389 --> 00:46:14,789 based podcasting itself is already hopelessly difficult to 740 00:46:14,789 --> 00:46:20,009 explain. Yeah, people's eyes glaze over. So podcasting 2.0 is 741 00:46:20,009 --> 00:46:24,569 not unique in this way. If you're trying to explain the 742 00:46:24,569 --> 00:46:31,379 guts, of RSS based podcasting, you better stop because you're 743 00:46:31,379 --> 00:46:36,749 not going to do it to a normal person. Yet, somehow. We have a 744 00:46:36,749 --> 00:46:41,159 thriving podcast ecosystem. Amazing. And you Yeah. And you 745 00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:46,559 know why? Because programmers and developers take these 746 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:51,989 complex schematics. And they translate them into something 747 00:46:52,709 --> 00:46:57,869 that nobody has to understand. The Alec Alex's work on peer 748 00:46:57,869 --> 00:47:04,619 tube, he took all the 2.0 stuff, and baked it into peer tube so 749 00:47:04,619 --> 00:47:10,259 that somebody who knows nothing about video podcasting, can fire 750 00:47:10,259 --> 00:47:13,769 up the channel, have a to podcasting 2.0 compatible feed 751 00:47:13,769 --> 00:47:16,799 with a ton of features. Yeah, and they can go live stream and 752 00:47:16,799 --> 00:47:21,269 they don't know anything. So I guess, like, well, the same, 753 00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,480 Adam Curry: the same. The same can be said for pod home. Pod 754 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,840 home. Yeah, upload your your file, and it says, Oh, here's 755 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,660 your here's a suggestion for your chapters. Here's your 756 00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:34,590 transcript. Here's some other, you know, whatever other things, 757 00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:40,050 title, all of those come suggested. And so it's 758 00:47:40,050 --> 00:47:45,960 interesting that, you know, LC works at Lipson she should know, 759 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:51,270 I mean, Lipson have they launched Lipson five yet. It's 760 00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:54,870 difficult to build UX that explains to people what they're 761 00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:58,170 doing, but yet companies are doing it Buzzsprout has made it 762 00:47:58,170 --> 00:48:01,620 pretty simple. I think I think that blueberry has, you know, 763 00:48:01,620 --> 00:48:05,490 has effectively communicated to their customers, hey, here's 764 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:08,130 what they call features, or whatever they call them. And 765 00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:11,310 here's new stuff. And here's the apps that show them. So I mean, 766 00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:13,980 yeah, but this these things take a little bit of time, if you're 767 00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:18,300 only looking at podcasts index dot social, or the GitHub. Yeah, 768 00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:21,750 I mean, I mean, I can't even put up with the GitHub. 769 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,320 Dave Jones: Like, it's just that. I guess what I'm trying to 770 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,160 say is it is Robin, Elsie probably should stop trying to 771 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040 explain to porn, though it's really not. Yeah, exactly, 772 00:48:35,070 --> 00:48:36,240 exactly. It's 773 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,940 Alecks Gates: not there. They shouldn't, they shouldn't have 774 00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:41,430 to hear they should be paying someone to tell them what it is. 775 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,990 That's the other hosted. But I worked for a lot of people who 776 00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:48,840 don't know what I do. And I explain it to them in a higher 777 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,170 level. And they're just not making the investment. 778 00:48:52,949 --> 00:48:59,129 Dave Jones: Yes, I would imagine in your day job, Alex, that 779 00:48:59,129 --> 00:49:01,829 you're probably you know, you, you explain the high level 780 00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:05,669 stuff, and then you go build the build the solution. And then 781 00:49:06,179 --> 00:49:09,779 they don't have to know how the solution works. It's just you 782 00:49:09,779 --> 00:49:13,379 told you told them that the rough idea, and then you have a 783 00:49:13,379 --> 00:49:15,629 finished product and that's what they paid you for. 784 00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:18,300 Alecks Gates: And how much it cost. Yeah, yeah. And how much 785 00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:18,600 it costs? 786 00:49:19,409 --> 00:49:22,289 Adam Curry: Well, Alex, I'll have you know that Mo Mo facts 787 00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:28,529 is coming your way. Okay, he is ready. He is ready. He has his 788 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,549 basic understanding. You know, he has a YouTube understanding 789 00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:34,769 and I think that what you've done with peer tube I think 790 00:49:34,769 --> 00:49:38,909 you've you've given us enough hints there in the interface and 791 00:49:38,909 --> 00:49:41,939 what you need to do that's like hey, you connect it up here. And 792 00:49:41,939 --> 00:49:46,679 then you start streaming here it recording is here. And here's I 793 00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,499 think you even Jeff to hook up a wallet or is that built in? I 794 00:49:49,499 --> 00:49:51,479 don't remember up 795 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,160 Alecks Gates: so just to be clear, most of that's not even 796 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,620 my work. That's just the pure to developers. They're really 797 00:49:55,620 --> 00:50:01,050 great. But you I mean you just have to saw the lightning plug 798 00:50:01,050 --> 00:50:05,760 in and add like a lightning address or whatever. So cool. 799 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,290 And thanks, Eric or head for that work. So yeah, I mean, 800 00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:12,960 it's, there's a couple things that you have to install 801 00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:16,170 afterwards. But yeah, I'd be happy to help him with that. 802 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,620 Yes, 803 00:50:16,650 --> 00:50:19,380 Adam Curry: I'm sending him to you. I'm sending him to you. 804 00:50:20,730 --> 00:50:24,930 Dave Jones: Just be speaking of YouTube. There's another. 805 00:50:25,170 --> 00:50:27,120 There's another clip I want to play because I think this is 806 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,600 actually pretty appropriate. Where she's talking about the 807 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,600 YouTube Music app lacking basic features, 808 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,990 Unknown: quote, I've been asking for the ability to mark episodes 809 00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:42,330 has played since May, and Google in December, said to expect that 810 00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:46,020 in the coming months, it's really a basic podcast client 811 00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:50,430 feature to help manage your library, playing a podcast and 812 00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:54,720 dragging the scramble all the way to clear it from that new 813 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:59,640 episodes playlist is a ridiculous hack. A more minor 814 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,720 ask is support for podcast chapters, which I'm actually 815 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:07,500 hopeful for given that there's an equivalent video feature. 816 00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:11,640 Meanwhile, YouTube music needs new episode notifications. One 817 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,550 underrated feature of Google podcasts was that the parents 818 00:51:14,550 --> 00:51:17,160 company's vast server cloud infrastructure meant episode 819 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:23,220 alerts were instantaneous YouTube music needs per show 820 00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:25,500 notification instead of just relying on that your new 821 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,950 episodes carousel and the home feed. Surprise, YouTube decided 822 00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:31,560 to expand internationally without something as basic as 823 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,110 this since it would encourage people to keep using the app for 824 00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:38,400 podcast and quote. So back to kind of just wrap the 825 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:45,120 conversation we had prior to the promo. We're still here. Yep, we 826 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,910 are still at them. marking an episode played part of the game. 827 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,470 Adam Curry: Yeah, good point. 828 00:51:55,889 --> 00:52:00,269 Dave Jones: But see that, that that is a direct contradiction 829 00:52:00,269 --> 00:52:04,139 to what they're talking about earlier. Yeah. It's the these at 830 00:52:04,439 --> 00:52:12,149 these apps. These if the, if the YouTube app sucks this bad. The 831 00:52:12,149 --> 00:52:15,869 YouTube Music app sucks this bad for podcasting. Tell your 832 00:52:15,869 --> 00:52:19,199 audience not to use it. Tell your audience to go and use it 833 00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:23,699 and use a 2.0 app. Yeah, it's it's so easy. You don't have to 834 00:52:23,699 --> 00:52:29,279 know what podcasting 2.0 is. Just tell them to go use a 835 00:52:29,279 --> 00:52:32,549 modern podcast app that is decent. I mean, the YouTube 836 00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:36,149 Music app doesn't even have new episode notifications. WTF? 837 00:52:36,899 --> 00:52:37,859 What? Yeah, 838 00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:39,510 Adam Curry: they don't they don't. They don't seem very 839 00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:42,570 serious about their effort in this. No, 840 00:52:42,570 --> 00:52:45,960 Dave Jones: it's, it's terrible. It's a, that's a terrible day. 841 00:52:46,050 --> 00:52:52,590 So like the Devitt. We depend on developers to take these to take 842 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:58,020 all of these things, and translate them into usable 843 00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:04,170 software, that the listener and the podcaster, use a buzzer, 844 00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:09,930 like Buzzsprout Buzzsprout created the transcript tag, they 845 00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:14,460 brought that to the two point is to this two point space. They 846 00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:20,370 brought that to the 2.0 namespace. Then you have 847 00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:24,450 rss.com, who's now auto generating transcripts. So they 848 00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:28,560 picked up something that another host used auto just started auto 849 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,040 generating transcripts in their system and providing those now, 850 00:53:32,070 --> 00:53:35,670 and then you had 2.0 apps starting to show them in the in 851 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:40,230 the player. Now you've got the apple podcasts app, showing 852 00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:45,630 transcripts in the player, for a huge portion of of listeners, no 853 00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:51,660 listener, and no podcaster had to ever know about this. Never 854 00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:56,070 had to be explained. It just happened organically. As 855 00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:58,860 developers, there's gonna there's gonna come a point 856 00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:07,740 there's gonna come a point in every day in the life cycle of 857 00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:13,800 every app, that's an I mean, every podcast app, where the 858 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:20,160 bases were so many of the basic features are covered. And the 859 00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:25,770 developer is looking for new ideas and new things to do. And 860 00:54:25,770 --> 00:54:29,250 they're going to see and this this goes back to why we focused 861 00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:32,400 so hard on developing relationships with the hosting 862 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,050 companies from the beginning, is if you can get all if you can 863 00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:41,610 get as if you can get tons of feeds to have these features in 864 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:44,520 them. And this is what hurts so bad about Lipson not being on 865 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,720 board. Yeah, because Lipson has tons of feeds. If you can get 866 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,950 the content out there, eventually in the lifecycle of 867 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:56,910 each app, and when the developer is looking for new things to do 868 00:54:57,510 --> 00:55:00,900 in new features to bring to their audience. They're gonna 869 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,020 look at all of these feeds, and they're gonna say, oh, you know, 870 00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:07,290 what, what is this? Interesting, this is the PERT, what does the 871 00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:08,490 person tag do? 872 00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,609 Adam Curry: Or in fact, they look at our API and say, Oh, 873 00:55:11,669 --> 00:55:14,549 look at this. We got pod rolls coming out. 874 00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:17,220 Dave Jones: Yeah, what's a pod roll? That's this. This is 875 00:55:17,220 --> 00:55:21,390 interesting. What is, uh, you know, here's a transcript, no, 876 00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:24,180 they had transcript, all you're gonna, you're gonna see, whoa, 877 00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:26,730 chapters, there's a whole chapters file, you're going to, 878 00:55:26,820 --> 00:55:30,750 they're going to begin to see all of this content out there in 879 00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:35,190 hundreds of 1000s of feeds. And they're just going to reverse 880 00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:39,510 engineer backup to the spec, and start building these and showing 881 00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:42,990 them, but they would never do that if the spec existed in a 882 00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:46,980 vacuum. And there was no content there. And so what I'm saying 883 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:51,480 is, this is an inevitable rollout slow rollout of new 884 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,160 features. And this is the way it 885 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,480 Adam Curry: always Oh, and it always takes time. Yes, it takes 886 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,010 takes a long time. It's like value for value takes a long 887 00:56:02,010 --> 00:56:05,460 time before. It's like oh, and then all of a sudden everyone's 888 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:09,510 kind of seeing it. Everyone's seeing value dripping into their 889 00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:10,230 wallets. 890 00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:15,150 Dave Jones: It part of what they used was the jeans mom argument. 891 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,300 You know, I can't explain to to jeans 892 00:56:18,299 --> 00:56:21,149 Adam Curry: model but she died. So that's kind of a bad. It's 893 00:56:21,149 --> 00:56:26,609 not good to use that anymore. It's no, no, no. Jeans. It's an 894 00:56:26,609 --> 00:56:30,539 honorary honorary title. I think Jean is very happy with us using 895 00:56:30,539 --> 00:56:35,009 it still. In Memoriam Memorial jeans mom in memoriam GMM 896 00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:35,999 because 897 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,580 Dave Jones: the whole idea of the jeans. Now, this is an 898 00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:41,190 honoring thing, because you know, the idea of the jeans mom 899 00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:47,460 argument was that was that it was not fair to jeans mom. Like, 900 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,240 the Jim's mom was smarter than everybody who gave her credit. 901 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,540 And so that's the thing is like, you know, we keep being told I 902 00:56:57,540 --> 00:57:04,830 can't recommend some other app, or or some other feature 903 00:57:04,830 --> 00:57:08,010 somebody go seek out another feature or something like that, 904 00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:13,140 because it's too hard to explain. Well, you don't have to 905 00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:17,040 tell you. I can tell you that. If you look at Chrome's market 906 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:24,150 share lately. No. It's like 85% of the entire internet is Google 907 00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:28,020 Chrome, as Google Chrome is not delivered by default on any 908 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:35,610 operating system. Somebody has learned somewhere that they're 909 00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:41,640 supposed to go download an app. I mean, the the argument that 910 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,480 people don't are not willing to try new things. Yeah, he's not 911 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,560 specious. I don't think that's true. So everybody, people are 912 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,750 willing people will try new things. 913 00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:54,870 Adam Curry: They do. I don't want to belabor what the proof 914 00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:59,250 is in the pudding. But it has to come from the podcast or when a 915 00:57:59,250 --> 00:58:03,960 podcaster says, Hey, try this app. Yeah. And I always use one 916 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,470 or two features. The main one, I said, Hey, you know, you'll be 917 00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:10,470 updated within 90 seconds of me publishing it, you get an alert. 918 00:58:11,130 --> 00:58:13,560 Is that something you're interested in? Everybody's 919 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,570 interested in that? I'm sick and tired of seeing on Twitter that 920 00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:21,780 something was released, and it's not in my app yet? Well, 921 00:58:21,779 --> 00:58:23,489 Dave Jones: I think I think Apple got to that point, their 922 00:58:23,489 --> 00:58:25,949 lifecycle there locally at work, you know, what can we do looking 923 00:58:25,949 --> 00:58:28,739 around for new features and that kind of thing? Here's, here's a 924 00:58:28,739 --> 00:58:32,189 feature. 2.0 feature we can do? Yeah. And then they put that in 925 00:58:32,189 --> 00:58:36,329 there. And it also helps them because people want, they are 926 00:58:36,329 --> 00:58:39,569 less likely to bail out and go to a different app. But I mean, 927 00:58:40,229 --> 00:58:44,999 it benefits everybody. And I guess my biggest thing here 928 00:58:45,029 --> 00:58:50,399 would, you know, my biggest message to to Lipson would be to 929 00:58:50,399 --> 00:58:53,279 just repeat what, what Alex said, Stop letting everybody 930 00:58:53,279 --> 00:58:56,609 else do this job for you, like getting the game is 931 00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:58,440 Adam Curry: so true. 932 00:59:00,750 --> 00:59:03,240 Alecks Gates: Well, I think I think the the tyranny of the 933 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,650 default is worse than Apple, I just maybe argue against that a 934 00:59:07,650 --> 00:59:10,200 little bit. And Apple knows that. And that's why they that's 935 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,100 why they're adding features. 936 00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,359 Adam Curry: The Tyranny of the default? Yeah, 937 00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:18,690 Alecks Gates: I will, I mean, it's the default apps, right. 938 00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:23,760 Most people probably use the apple podcast app, because 939 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,880 that's what they have. And I think Android users are just 940 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,520 more used to finding new apps. 941 00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:35,250 Dave Jones: Yeah, speaking. Okay. Speaking of Andrew, I 942 00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:38,070 thank you for saying that because it jogged my memory. 943 00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:42,300 Speaking of Android, so this, one of the things that they were 944 00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:45,360 telling me in the meeting yesterday was that this is about 945 00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:50,100 and I've got a GitHub post on this post on this. They were 946 00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:55,740 talking about the MIME types. And I think we have we have it 947 00:59:55,740 --> 01:00:00,810 correct for the MIME type is for VTT is text slash VTT The 948 01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:07,470 MimeType for SRT is like unobtainium, I cannot figure out 949 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280 what the real one is. I don't think there actually is a real 950 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:18,690 one that's defined anywhere by any sane human being. But Apple 951 01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:22,980 says that it should be text slash SRT. But I just don't 952 01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:26,280 think that's right. Because everything I can find says it's 953 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:32,970 got to be either text plain or applications X sub rip. And 954 01:00:33,630 --> 01:00:35,850 we've got in our documentation that is supposed to be 955 01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:43,020 application slash x dash sub rip. But so I'm not I'm not 956 01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:49,260 exactly sure what to do about that. Because you know, if we 957 01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:53,400 put in at text SRT, XR t, if we started recommending that, and 958 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:59,820 that's not the actual thing, then. You know, it's because 959 01:00:59,850 --> 01:01:05,280 then they deprecated those x dash, whatever I thought, so I 960 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,570 don't know, this is it's above. This is out of my comfort zone 961 01:01:09,570 --> 01:01:10,170 at this point, 962 01:01:11,010 --> 01:01:11,640 Adam Curry: Alex. 963 01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:16,710 Alecks Gates: I think if there's no standard, we just have to 964 01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:19,950 allow both. There's no way to enforce it anyway. 965 01:01:21,989 --> 01:01:24,629 Dave Jones: Yeah, I agree. I agree. I mean, I don't see how 966 01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:26,519 that we'll see any other way to slice that. 967 01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,700 Alecks Gates: A tax plan is dumb that, no. 968 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,200 Dave Jones: I'm trying to avoid the the inevitable. You know, 969 01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:39,270 every time you're in an open source project, and you do 970 01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:43,410 something, there's always which what you might call the MIME 971 01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:48,360 type smartass. That where you define something, and somebody 972 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,930 pops up and says, you know, that's not the right MIME type. 973 01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:55,620 And it's like, oh, okay, fine. And then there's an inevitable 974 01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:57,600 flame war about what MIME type to use. 975 01:01:59,340 --> 01:02:00,540 Alecks Gates: So I'm actually Dave. 976 01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:09,810 Dave Jones: I'm trying to avoid that here. But I'm afraid I'm 977 01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:13,110 afraid. I don't, I don't want there to be like a, you know, 12 978 01:02:13,110 --> 01:02:16,140 Page GitHub discussion about what MimeType to use in this 979 01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:21,570 scenario. So I'm not against what I'm saying is I don't think 980 01:02:21,570 --> 01:02:24,120 we can change anything at this point. I think. I think we gotta 981 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,290 leave it alone for the moment. 982 01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:30,420 Adam Curry: I'm fine with leaving it alone for the moment. 983 01:02:32,489 --> 01:02:34,259 Dave Jones: You're not opinionated on the MimeType 984 01:02:34,859 --> 01:02:35,339 format? 985 01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:38,190 Adam Curry: No, no, no, I want to move on to rising. I want to 986 01:02:38,190 --> 01:02:39,810 move on to the helipad update. 987 01:02:41,429 --> 01:02:44,069 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. What would you do, then i, 988 01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:50,969 Adam Curry: t, Eric VP, sent a an update to heli pad, a beta, 989 01:02:50,999 --> 01:02:55,529 which I had to sideload. Now when you side load onto this as 990 01:02:55,529 --> 01:03:00,869 the start nine that I'm running, that was very interesting. It 991 01:03:00,869 --> 01:03:05,969 required a restart of the entire box. That's not necessarily 992 01:03:05,969 --> 01:03:09,929 because it it was stuck or anything. It was like I was out 993 01:03:09,929 --> 01:03:13,769 of ideas, because it installed and then it was throwing an 994 01:03:13,769 --> 01:03:16,559 error, and then was trying to stop and I couldn't stop the 995 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,859 service. And like, I'm just gonna reboot it. And then I was 996 01:03:19,859 --> 01:03:25,049 very interesting, because lnd took about full 3540 minutes to 997 01:03:25,049 --> 01:03:30,389 sync to the graph and sync the channels and it may be had 998 01:03:30,389 --> 01:03:33,989 gotten, I don't know what that was. And I have a feeling it may 999 01:03:33,989 --> 01:03:36,539 have been out of sync, something may have happened. I didn't look 1000 01:03:36,539 --> 01:03:39,209 at it honestly before I installed but it doesn't matter. 1001 01:03:39,419 --> 01:03:42,539 Because I got it installed. I got it working works perfectly. 1002 01:03:43,049 --> 01:03:49,889 And so now it has a an extra tab. So for those who don't 1003 01:03:49,889 --> 01:03:53,309 know, heli pad is a piece of software. It has a great 1004 01:03:53,309 --> 01:04:00,359 interface. And I mean, I love the interface is so simple. It's 1005 01:04:00,359 --> 01:04:05,459 so beautiful just works. And you can see in real time when booths 1006 01:04:05,459 --> 01:04:10,079 come in, and it has a timestamp, it shows you the logo of what 1007 01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:14,549 app, it shows you the total amount of the booths sent. The 1008 01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:19,469 name tells you the episode or in some cases, what song or what 1009 01:04:19,469 --> 01:04:25,049 remote item if it's a if it's a value time split, then you can 1010 01:04:25,049 --> 01:04:28,319 click on the timestamp, it'll bring you all the TLV all the 1011 01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:34,409 info about what was sent along with it. And with two apps to 1012 01:04:34,469 --> 01:04:38,789 two apps that will be curio caster and cast automatic or who 1013 01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:44,429 have a reply to as per the spec. They have implemented reply to I 1014 01:04:44,429 --> 01:04:50,009 think it's in the spec, little Reply button surfaces and so you 1015 01:04:50,009 --> 01:04:58,019 hit that then it says recipient which is basically the I think 1016 01:04:58,859 --> 01:05:03,929 we should cast the Matic just shows me a a node address. So 1017 01:05:03,959 --> 01:05:08,309 it's you know, I think curio caster showed me the name of the 1018 01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:11,699 person who sent it as Yeah, yeah, that shows you the name of 1019 01:05:11,699 --> 01:05:14,519 the person who sent it. Then you can fill out your own name as 1020 01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:17,669 sender which is open for interpretation, number of sets 1021 01:05:17,669 --> 01:05:21,449 and a message and hit boost, a boost it right back and I tried 1022 01:05:21,449 --> 01:05:27,749 it with curio caster tied into my lb wallet. And I replied, and 1023 01:05:27,749 --> 01:05:31,529 it went right back to my lb wallet and with the message and 1024 01:05:31,529 --> 01:05:34,409 it had my name there that I had filled in at the top. And I was 1025 01:05:34,409 --> 01:05:37,499 able to reply to the boost with 1000 SATs. And so now I have a 1026 01:05:37,499 --> 01:05:40,979 sent tab you have boost, you have streams so you can see the 1027 01:05:41,219 --> 01:05:43,619 per minute streams that are coming in. It's also fun to 1028 01:05:43,619 --> 01:05:47,819 watch from time to time. And then the sense and it. And right 1029 01:05:47,819 --> 01:05:51,359 there. It shows me the boost that I sent back. It's the Round 1030 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:56,039 Robin and I would love for other apps to implement this. 1031 01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:03,780 Dave Jones: This have essentially turned over helipad 1032 01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:08,070 to Eric peepee. At this point I gave him like maintainer rights 1033 01:06:08,070 --> 01:06:10,710 on that repo. So he's like, I'm not I'm not even involved 1034 01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:14,430 anymore. It's like his app now. He's he's rocking and rolling 1035 01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:14,760 with it. 1036 01:06:14,850 --> 01:06:19,110 Adam Curry: It is fant I mean, it's a very exciting. It's just 1037 01:06:19,110 --> 01:06:21,540 exciting that, you know, I can send it back. Hey, thanks for 1038 01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:24,750 your boost. I really appreciate it. And here's 1000 SATs back, 1039 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:25,770 SATs back 1040 01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:28,950 Dave Jones: says that's bad. I wonder Friday. 1041 01:06:29,009 --> 01:06:31,919 Adam Curry: I wonder. So this is cool export option, which I 1042 01:06:31,949 --> 01:06:35,999 really love the export option. I wonder if that also works on the 1043 01:06:35,999 --> 01:06:37,739 sent booths? Oh, yes, it does? 1044 01:06:38,579 --> 01:06:42,389 Dave Jones: No way. Sure looks in there, too. Let 1045 01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:45,240 Adam Curry: me just double check. I'm gonna save this. I 1046 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:50,040 think so. It came up really fast on the sent tab. So um, that 1047 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,760 seems like that would work. I mean, this is becoming something 1048 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,010 really useful. Is heli pad is a is a is a very useful wagon at 1049 01:06:59,010 --> 01:07:03,060 this point. I mean, I run everything on it. Every show 1050 01:07:03,150 --> 01:07:07,530 runs on I'm exporting all the booths, you can start. There is 1051 01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:11,130 a little problem, though. I think it's I think the split kit 1052 01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:15,300 doesn't send the show it sends a song if you're if you're if it's 1053 01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:19,860 a time split, so that I can't do that. I can't sort that doesn't 1054 01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:23,340 show up on my sword. Does that make any sense? If I'm sorting 1055 01:07:23,340 --> 01:07:28,470 the spreadsheet, and I want to know, you know what that and so 1056 01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:32,100 I'm just sorting it for one podcast, like Bucha gram ball. 1057 01:07:32,730 --> 01:07:37,500 Then there'll be in the in the pivot table. So the song Yeah. 1058 01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:41,370 So then I have Yeah, so that doesn't that becomes unusable. 1059 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:48,120 Yes. And there it is. Let me see. Yeah. That seems to work. 1060 01:07:48,750 --> 01:07:49,380 tirelessly, like 1061 01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:53,910 Dave Jones: because of my of my elegantly modular code base that 1062 01:07:53,940 --> 01:07:57,120 allowed this very just plugged right in. 1063 01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,880 Adam Curry: Yes, yes. And the interface of Karis right 1064 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:00,840 through? It's great. 1065 01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:06,720 Dave Jones: He's been working on that for weeks. Yeah, I mean, 1066 01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:10,320 like, I don't know, he, I think he started it last year, like 1067 01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:13,830 before Christmas. But he's been working on that for a while. 1068 01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:14,040 Yeah. 1069 01:08:14,070 --> 01:08:16,020 Adam Curry: And just so people know, for him. Yeah, just so 1070 01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:19,260 people know how I use it, I just send a small split to my own 1071 01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:23,310 node at home so that I can because you get the full amount. 1072 01:08:23,310 --> 01:08:26,580 So you can you can manage all of the boosts coming in, whether it 1073 01:08:26,580 --> 01:08:30,480 goes to Alby or wherever found to wherever your wallet is, just 1074 01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:34,740 get a little little bit at home. I mean, it'd be great. If this 1075 01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:37,470 could integrate into Alby. I'm sure people would love that, if 1076 01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:38,370 that was possible. 1077 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,010 Dave Jones: But I don't know how Alex, Alex has been, you've been 1078 01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:48,690 playing around with, with the, you've played around with the 1079 01:08:48,690 --> 01:08:50,190 breeze SDK lately, right. 1080 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,079 Alecks Gates: Not too much, but I've looked at a lot. 1081 01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,529 Dave Jones: Because I wondered, you know, because I've always 1082 01:08:58,529 --> 01:09:02,549 wondered if we could hook. Like, if you read if you just fired 1083 01:09:02,549 --> 01:09:04,499 up, I've always had this vision, you know, like, you could just 1084 01:09:04,499 --> 01:09:09,089 fire up a helipad with nothing to connect to 1085 01:09:09,150 --> 01:09:11,640 Adam Curry: a heart. It just has it has a wallet right in there. 1086 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,190 Dave Jones: And then it just spins up a green light. 1087 01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:18,929 Alecks Gates: If breeze SDK supported case, and that would 1088 01:09:18,929 --> 01:09:22,499 solve so many of the custodial issues we have is that you could 1089 01:09:22,499 --> 01:09:24,539 just you could just run and you could just run your own node 1090 01:09:24,539 --> 01:09:24,959 like that. 1091 01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:27,630 Dave Jones: He's not only Elon URL right now. 1092 01:09:30,779 --> 01:09:33,749 Alecks Gates: I mean, you could generate invoices, but I don't 1093 01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:34,979 know about oh, new URL. 1094 01:09:35,879 --> 01:09:38,849 Dave Jones: And we're gonna have to get Roy back on the show. So 1095 01:09:38,849 --> 01:09:41,759 we can figure that out. Because I mean, that that would be I 1096 01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:44,819 can't think of an easier solution. I mean, you you just 1097 01:09:44,849 --> 01:09:48,149 we, we put, I mean, we could really Jamelia 1098 01:09:48,150 --> 01:09:51,300 Adam Curry: apps would be born. Amelia, 1099 01:09:51,570 --> 01:09:54,210 Dave Jones: let me because you mean, you could think I mean, 1100 01:09:54,210 --> 01:09:59,340 think about it, you could just download. You can install 1101 01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:04,860 helipad. If I even threw a Docker image or something, you 1102 01:10:04,860 --> 01:10:09,240 could install helipad. And then it comes up and you're like, 1103 01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:14,520 Okay, I want to I want to node and bam, you just have one if if 1104 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,220 it could do keys and that would be wasn't a perfect solution 1105 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:17,460 wasn't 1106 01:10:17,460 --> 01:10:21,060 Adam Curry: the whole point of of green light that there was a 1107 01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:25,470 cloud element that would stay kind of like a watchtower that 1108 01:10:25,470 --> 01:10:29,940 would stay online and then will receive your key send, but it 1109 01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:33,330 can't send anything and then the minute you fire up your, your 1110 01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:36,750 green light portion that it then connects to that Watchtower? 1111 01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:38,880 Wasn't that the idea that I misunderstand that? 1112 01:10:42,180 --> 01:10:45,450 Dave Jones: Yeah, let me like, I don't know if the what I don't 1113 01:10:45,450 --> 01:10:49,350 know if it's the Watchtower concept came through or not. But 1114 01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:53,160 the idea is that as soon as you Yeah, when when you when a 1115 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,610 payment was coming in, it would spin the node up, except the 1116 01:10:56,610 --> 01:11:00,150 payment and then and then pass it through, right? 1117 01:11:02,370 --> 01:11:04,800 Alecks Gates: Yeah, I do. And the only issue right now is to 1118 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,350 use green light, you have to sign up and get a certificate. 1119 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,030 And I don't know how accessible that will be for the average 1120 01:11:12,030 --> 01:11:15,630 user I want, I'm gonna find out. Because that would be really, 1121 01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:20,700 really great. But it's not just a plug and play solution yet. 1122 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,970 Dave Jones: Because I mean, that that would apply to peer tube as 1123 01:11:23,970 --> 01:11:27,570 well, because you're in a tube. I mean, you could just, like 1124 01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:30,660 spin up, spin up a node and then you know, you're it's like, it's 1125 01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:34,410 not your keys. I mean, you're not managing anything. It's all 1126 01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:35,250 on the user side. 1127 01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:39,000 Alecks Gates: Mm hmm. Yeah, I'm waiting for the day. I can get 1128 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,290 rid of my my Raspberry Pi note, because I just don't want to I 1129 01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:44,340 just don't have the time for it. 1130 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, my channels have been messed up for 1131 01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:50,370 a month now. And 1132 01:11:50,370 --> 01:11:53,700 Adam Curry: I can't let me help me help you. I can help you 1133 01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:57,750 Dave Jones: purchase index channel. It won't. It's not in 1134 01:11:57,750 --> 01:12:00,270 there offline all the time. Yeah, it's broken. Oh, yeah. 1135 01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:02,910 Adam Curry: No, that's but you're still on the Umbral. 1136 01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:06,180 Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm on the umbrella. Yeah, because it's my 1137 01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:13,260 podcast rig. Broken the doing too many things on one box roll 1138 01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:13,650 here. 1139 01:12:13,829 --> 01:12:17,879 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea. I 1140 01:12:17,879 --> 01:12:21,359 had problems with Umbro and torx. And that always seemed to 1141 01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:21,509 be 1142 01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:23,910 Dave Jones: I'm not on tour. I'm on. I'm on clarinet, clarinet. I 1143 01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:25,500 got a clarinet channel to you. Yeah. 1144 01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:31,230 Adam Curry: I don't know. It's broke. It's broke. is broke. All 1145 01:12:31,230 --> 01:12:36,360 right, anyway. RPP you are a man of many talents. I appreciate 1146 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:36,630 you. 1147 01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:41,970 Dave Jones: Yeah, this Yeah, that's a pretty that's a pretty 1148 01:12:41,970 --> 01:12:46,080 badass feature. Alex, you're on top categories? 1149 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:48,600 Alecks Gates: Oh, absolutely. 1150 01:12:50,939 --> 01:12:54,719 Dave Jones: Because, I mean, I think we're there. I mean, think 1151 01:12:54,719 --> 01:13:01,769 we we were at this point where we need so we've got we've got 1152 01:13:01,769 --> 01:13:06,719 music medium now. And obviously other mediums, audiobooks, all 1153 01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:12,089 this kind of stuff with film. So the, the iTunes categories, 1154 01:13:13,109 --> 01:13:16,049 they're just not sufficient anymore. Because you need you 1155 01:13:16,049 --> 01:13:20,369 know, if you're going to be looking for music, that's, you 1156 01:13:20,369 --> 01:13:25,949 know, a specific genre. This, the, the limited set of Apple 1157 01:13:25,949 --> 01:13:30,569 categories are not going to help you much at all. So we I mean, 1158 01:13:30,569 --> 01:13:38,069 we're gonna have to have something. And I mean, I guess I 1159 01:13:38,069 --> 01:13:40,409 guess I can say it this way. I mean, like, it seems like 1160 01:13:40,409 --> 01:13:46,109 there's just to lay it out as best I can for for the 1161 01:13:46,109 --> 01:13:49,469 uninitiated here that we've thrown this tag around for what 1162 01:13:49,499 --> 01:13:52,289 a year and a half, two years, something like that. Three, 1163 01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:58,589 yeah, three, some kind of category tag. And I mean, you 1164 01:13:58,589 --> 01:14:05,279 could do to me, it really comes down to we need I don't see a 1165 01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:11,189 difference between reusing the podcasts reusing the RSS 1166 01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:14,909 category tag. But let me look at let me let me lay it out this 1167 01:14:14,909 --> 01:14:20,069 way. You got three options. You could literally hijack the 1168 01:14:20,069 --> 01:14:23,279 iTunes category tag itself and start sticking stuff in there 1169 01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:27,929 this noncompliant To me that's completely No, no way. Not gonna 1170 01:14:27,929 --> 01:14:32,549 do that. I think that will be cause mass confusion. And it's 1171 01:14:32,549 --> 01:14:38,189 not right. Somebody recommended using the RSS 2.0 category tag 1172 01:14:38,189 --> 01:14:45,059 itself. Honestly, that's the spec is confusing to me. Because 1173 01:14:45,059 --> 01:14:48,209 it's got all these references to like a domain attribute and a 1174 01:14:48,209 --> 01:14:53,279 taxonomy link back in all this stuff. I think that tag is 1175 01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:56,789 weird. And I don't like it. Well, 1176 01:14:57,660 --> 01:14:59,970 Alecks Gates: those are same issues hijacking the iTunes tag 1177 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,390 because we don't know, what would break. Yeah, 1178 01:15:03,420 --> 01:15:07,170 Dave Jones: no, I agree. That's great. Yeah, yeah. I agree with 1179 01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:10,200 you. Because if, if we don't fully understand this tag and 1180 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,810 how it's being used, well, then you can't just go in and start 1181 01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:18,900 doing Wild West stuff with it. No, I agree. And then you have. 1182 01:15:19,530 --> 01:15:24,570 So and and that's not really in podcast feeds anyway. So you're 1183 01:15:24,570 --> 01:15:28,080 going to feed generators and have to make a change, 1184 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:32,880 regardless. So you might as well go with podcast with a podcast, 1185 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:37,920 category tag, podcast, colon tag category or something like that. 1186 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:45,630 And so there's not you know, so then, so then I think that's 1187 01:15:45,630 --> 01:15:50,550 where we landed in, it's like, okay, who, who wears these? 1188 01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:52,290 Where these categories are gonna come from? Are they going to 1189 01:15:52,290 --> 01:15:55,410 come from some preordained list somewhere? Are they going to be 1190 01:15:55,410 --> 01:16:00,060 free form? And I think, I think we're all I think we're both in 1191 01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:05,250 agreement. And James, and I think is also agreed in 1192 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,670 everybody who involved in the discussion, that pain, it really 1193 01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:10,950 needs to be a free form thing, because we don't want to just 1194 01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:14,400 repeat, you know, redo the same. Here's a master list that 1195 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:15,840 somebody else is in control of. 1196 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:23,250 Alecks Gates: Yeah, and I understand. I mean, the main 1197 01:16:23,250 --> 01:16:26,310 argument against it is how do you know which categories to 1198 01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:32,700 surface? And I think my there's, there's two? I have two answers 1199 01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:36,330 to that, I think. And the first is, I think we should think of 1200 01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:42,450 them as hashtags. Just because that seems to be the most user 1201 01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:45,570 translatable idea to what we're actually doing. Whether or not 1202 01:16:45,570 --> 01:16:47,850 you call them categories, topics from the name doesn't matter. 1203 01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:52,830 But I think, I think it's a concept people are used to, and 1204 01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:55,230 it will directly translate to some of the other other things 1205 01:16:55,230 --> 01:17:01,170 we have going on, such as activity pub idea, and people 1206 01:17:01,170 --> 01:17:05,550 already used to being able to subscribe to a hashtag, and from 1207 01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:11,100 you know, Twitter, Mastodon, or whatever. And secondly, I'm 1208 01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,850 going to the discovery has to be done. But I think we can do it 1209 01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:19,470 in a way where you could build it and do the the podcast and 1210 01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:23,520 the index API to show me the trending, trending hashtags, 1211 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,980 trending categories or something. And also, the pod 1212 01:17:28,980 --> 01:17:33,000 ping service I'm working on for, it's gonna have a unified push 1213 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,860 and what push notifications for apps. I want to be able to do 1214 01:17:37,890 --> 01:17:42,270 notifications by hashtag as well. So we could we could have 1215 01:17:42,270 --> 01:17:48,030 some kind of decentralized, cool method of apps being able to 1216 01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:52,530 discover what hashtags are available and what's what's 1217 01:17:52,530 --> 01:17:53,010 trending. 1218 01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:57,120 Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. 1219 01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:05,280 Alecks Gates: Yeah, good. Well, yeah, yeah. I think people are 1220 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,820 confused. I think calling it a category just causes too much 1221 01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:13,290 confusion. It's like the yahoo, yahoo keywords like, I get it. 1222 01:18:13,410 --> 01:18:16,830 But you don't have to, you don't have to use them as categories 1223 01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:20,850 in your UI, right? You can use them as small like filters. 1224 01:18:23,130 --> 01:18:29,310 Dave Jones: Or labels. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. How would 1225 01:18:29,310 --> 01:18:36,330 you think how would you call them? Oh, really? Oh, yeah. 1226 01:18:36,330 --> 01:18:39,360 That's right. Because they had the topics thing in the, in 1227 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:45,390 their dinned directory. Did you see Nathan's post about using 1228 01:18:45,390 --> 01:18:47,010 the Wikimedia identifiers? 1229 01:18:49,020 --> 01:18:54,330 Alecks Gates: Yes, and I'll be honest, I think it's, I don't 1230 01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,000 hate the idea. But if it gets too complicated for the average 1231 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:04,320 user, including me, it might be better for you know, a host or, 1232 01:19:04,770 --> 01:19:08,550 or whatever to do it behind the scenes. And we would just use 1233 01:19:09,090 --> 01:19:14,430 natural language as it is. And I think I think it would be 1234 01:19:14,430 --> 01:19:19,560 important to like have a language attribute to and then 1235 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:24,840 if people want to provide a service that has that translates 1236 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,180 them to the wicked data identifiers that they gave me 1237 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,200 might be a better idea. 1238 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,480 Dave Jones: Sort of translating the translation in both ways. 1239 01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:33,690 What 1240 01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:37,200 Adam Curry: exactly is the wiki data stuff? What is that? I 1241 01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:38,160 didn't see the post. 1242 01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:43,169 Alecks Gates: If How do we explain it? I would call it a 1243 01:19:43,169 --> 01:19:52,229 data scientist way of analyzing natural language. Okay, it's 1244 01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:59,969 basically a way of classifying words using a human made agenda. 1245 01:19:59,999 --> 01:20:02,609 hers don't 1246 01:20:05,310 --> 01:20:08,790 Dave Jones: fully understand it. And no, I don't I don't 1247 01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:13,860 understand you. But I read a read the linked the linked URL. 1248 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,830 And I thought, I thought I understood it until about like 1249 01:20:19,860 --> 01:20:23,520 this third section down. And then I like I don't I clearly 1250 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,230 don't know what this means. So I can't. Yeah, I don't know. I 1251 01:20:28,230 --> 01:20:31,890 mean, it looks. I mean, it can't it can't be that difficult. I 1252 01:20:31,890 --> 01:20:36,750 think I think the idea was to use like, to put some sort of 1253 01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:40,950 guardrails around the possible, you know, the possible values 1254 01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:43,620 that could be in these in these, I'm just going to call them 1255 01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:48,360 topics just to keep us all sane instead of categories. When you 1256 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,910 have a seed, then I don't want to get caught up in naming 1257 01:20:50,910 --> 01:20:57,990 whatever. So like, the, the topic names, just 1258 01:20:59,910 --> 01:21:02,280 Adam Curry: just call them what they are. They're hashtags that 1259 01:21:02,340 --> 01:21:04,920 the whole world understands what a hashtag is. 1260 01:21:05,730 --> 01:21:09,900 Dave Jones: Okay, hashtags. So well, Nathan says about 1261 01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:12,120 deduplication. Yeah, and I think that's where it was. It's about 1262 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:17,730 guardrails. And so if you can, if you can classify the possible 1263 01:21:17,730 --> 01:21:20,730 values that would be contained in these things, sort of, like, 1264 01:21:22,170 --> 01:21:24,960 I guess you could, my understanding through reading 1265 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,720 through that document was that it was sort of like a Dewey 1266 01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:34,890 Decimal System. For possible words, that go with that go into 1267 01:21:34,890 --> 01:21:39,870 a overall like taxonomy of, of things. So it's like, okay, 1268 01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:44,460 music. If you're in the music, if you're in the Music Section 1269 01:21:44,460 --> 01:21:49,260 of the Dewey Decimal catalog, the taxonomy would say, Okay, 1270 01:21:49,260 --> 01:21:53,340 now your subcategories are going to be or your your sub, you 1271 01:21:53,340 --> 01:22:00,270 know, indexes are going to be metal, rock, easy listening, 1272 01:22:00,300 --> 01:22:02,820 these kinds of things. But then if you switch over to the 1273 01:22:03,390 --> 01:22:08,040 literature, category of the wiki, data identifiers, or 1274 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,160 whatever, now you're talking about, all of a sudden, now 1275 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:16,170 yours now your subclasses are English literature kill, you 1276 01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:22,140 know, Celtic literature, the ancient Chinese literature. So I 1277 01:22:22,140 --> 01:22:26,970 think, I think that's really the idea. If you had sort of a 1278 01:22:26,970 --> 01:22:32,400 premade list of those things that you could like seed with, 1279 01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:36,870 which I don't, I don't think it's a bad idea to have like 1280 01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:40,230 something that automatically some sort of hybrid approach 1281 01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:44,040 where you have this automatic suggestion sort of table to help 1282 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,530 guide people to the thing that they're looking for, 1283 01:22:46,590 --> 01:22:48,630 Adam Curry: is that external service that would just make 1284 01:22:48,630 --> 01:22:50,160 sense for that to exist? 1285 01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:53,610 Dave Jones: Again, I mean, if we all agreed on the same sort of 1286 01:22:53,610 --> 01:22:57,930 bootstrap list, it doesn't prevent anybody. Do you agree 1287 01:22:57,930 --> 01:22:59,850 with this? Alex? It doesn't. I mean, if we had something like 1288 01:22:59,850 --> 01:23:02,280 that, it wouldn't prevent anybody from putting new things 1289 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,160 into it. It's just that it sort of like, it's trying to guide 1290 01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,140 you towards an agreed upon value. 1291 01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,280 Alecks Gates: Yeah, I mean, I would, I would argue that all 1292 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,960 languages, but it doesn't have to be part of the spec. You 1293 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,460 could just have it you can have lists. 1294 01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,409 Dave Jones: LSVT. What you mean? Yeah, yeah, you, we don't have 1295 01:23:22,409 --> 01:23:24,959 to define where these things come from. But there could just, 1296 01:23:25,229 --> 01:23:29,369 it could just be an agreed upon like, this is which you can use 1297 01:23:29,369 --> 01:23:36,029 the list that you want. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I 1298 01:23:36,029 --> 01:23:39,809 mean, I think we're on the right track. How do you if you're 1299 01:23:39,809 --> 01:23:42,449 going to implement like, imagine you're implementing this in peer 1300 01:23:42,449 --> 01:23:45,359 tube? What do you think? What do you think it would look like 1301 01:23:45,359 --> 01:23:46,679 from a UI perspective? 1302 01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,930 Alecks Gates: I actually did, and then I removed it. We 1303 01:23:51,930 --> 01:23:53,940 already have tags in peer tube and you could just type in 1304 01:23:53,940 --> 01:23:54,570 whatever you want. 1305 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,860 Adam Curry: And does auto auto complete with something that 1306 01:23:58,860 --> 01:23:59,940 already exists? 1307 01:24:00,749 --> 01:24:03,629 Alecks Gates: I don't remember I haven't looked at it in a while 1308 01:24:03,629 --> 01:24:06,659 but you just edited the video and there's a whole you actually 1309 01:24:06,659 --> 01:24:10,169 got the column tags if you look at Dave's live live channel 1310 01:24:10,169 --> 01:24:13,229 right now. He actually he literally has PHP podcasts, 1311 01:24:13,229 --> 01:24:17,459 index podcasting, podcasting, 2.0 and rust shadows 1312 01:24:17,460 --> 01:24:23,790 Adam Curry: are really dumb tags that you can play using those 1313 01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:24,450 tags. 1314 01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:28,440 Dave Jones: You can't or not a creative 1315 01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:31,500 Adam Curry: messing with you brother. 1316 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,270 Dave Jones: Okay, cool. Well, maybe maybe that's what we go 1317 01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:39,960 for. Maybe we say podcast, maybe this maybe the name of this tag 1318 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,850 is podcast. And then you know, just for just for giggles here 1319 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:50,910 and then we and then we start because what I feel like it's 1320 01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:56,280 what's going to happen here is the the first people that 1321 01:24:56,490 --> 01:24:59,070 implement this obviously appear to have already got it but 1322 01:24:59,490 --> 01:25:03,900 you're going to make gets more exposed and stuff is done like 1323 01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:06,360 is from a hosting perspective the first people that are going 1324 01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,560 to go into this is going to be like Dobby das and wave lake 1325 01:25:10,590 --> 01:25:15,450 that have music I mean that I'm sure they're gonna probably jump 1326 01:25:15,450 --> 01:25:18,930 on this pretty quick because they need and Steven B because 1327 01:25:18,930 --> 01:25:22,950 they need they they're really that's really the place where 1328 01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:27,930 there's the most pain right now but then this is applicable to 1329 01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:31,350 way more than just that but as far as like immediate use case 1330 01:25:31,380 --> 01:25:33,840 this is the this is the place where it's needed the most 1331 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,240 because it's it's really a discovery issue 1332 01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,789 Alecks Gates: I think we all want to look for music. 1333 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:48,420 Adam Curry: Yeah, yes. Speaking of music Oh, shall we play a 1334 01:25:48,420 --> 01:25:49,170 little ditty? 1335 01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,460 Dave Jones: Yeah, who chose this day? It was a you Yeah, 1336 01:25:53,490 --> 01:25:56,940 Adam Curry: I mean I'm sorry Alex I should have asked you. 1337 01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:01,200 English subterfuge unless unless you want to give me a name right 1338 01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:05,760 now and I can look it up real quick and I got nothing Yeah, I 1339 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:11,100 got nothing. I'm going to be on this guy's podcast I think this 1340 01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:14,850 week or next week because he reached out to me and a number 1341 01:26:14,850 --> 01:26:19,920 of other music podcasts are very upset respectful I want to make 1342 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:25,260 sure he was very respectful but very upset about playing songs 1343 01:26:25,260 --> 01:26:33,330 and podcasts including his and using compression and it's it's 1344 01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:38,310 very familiar complaint to me because ever since am radio that 1345 01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:41,370 your song will not sound the same as when you mix it in the 1346 01:26:41,370 --> 01:26:46,620 studio. And if you listen to today's top 40 radio they even 1347 01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:52,260 spin up the songs add some reverb Believe it or not to and 1348 01:26:52,290 --> 01:26:55,320 and compress it and a lot of that was done early on because 1349 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,760 the harder the more compressed and the harder the sound is the 1350 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:06,930 more output you get out of the transmitter literally but he was 1351 01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:10,620 like He's really upset and so I'm looking forward to to 1352 01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:15,000 discussing that with him and meanwhile I want to play one of 1353 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:20,910 his songs lots of compression here on the show if I have not 1354 01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:24,870 turning off my compression he's Jimmy V he's from the valley 1355 01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:27,870 verse This is sweet time on podcasting 2.0 1356 01:27:41,490 --> 01:27:51,960 Fall God forever 1357 01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:14,820 Unknown: so bad all the sweet thing good luck 1358 01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:23,760 suddenly it happened 1359 01:29:05,490 --> 01:29:06,240 Sweet 1360 01:29:36,689 --> 01:29:37,319 Nachi 1361 01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:00,390 everybody Y'all 1362 01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:25,800 Adam Curry: if you are not using a modern podcast app, what is 1363 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,760 wrong with you go and get a modern podcast app that does the 1364 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,000 magic wallet switching the super chapters that are also known, 1365 01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,000 because any stats that you were streaming anything you boosted 1366 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,780 during that song, go to the artist, we switch the wallets 1367 01:30:39,780 --> 01:30:43,320 and everything goes to Jimmy V. And whatever splits he has, in 1368 01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,890 his system. He male, he gave me this analogy. He said, Imagine, 1369 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,720 I build a hot rod in my garage. And then I take it to your car 1370 01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:57,360 show. And then you spray paint all over it. And I said, let me 1371 01:30:57,810 --> 01:31:00,960 let me give you this analogy. You come to my car show I take 1372 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,840 it onto the track. I get it really muddy. And then 1373 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,320 everyone's flocking to your stand to see how beautiful your 1374 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,490 hot rod is. Remember when you go home and you say you you bought 1375 01:31:11,490 --> 01:31:14,070 the record, he was like oh man, this there's all this stuff I'd 1376 01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:18,360 never heard before. That's because radio compresses stuff. 1377 01:31:19,410 --> 01:31:20,520 And there's reasons for that. 1378 01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:29,760 Dave Jones: It's I mean, I think this not a great analogy. I 1379 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,970 don't think we spray painting cars. No, no, 1380 01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:35,700 Adam Curry: but But what we're doing is we're changing the 1381 01:31:35,700 --> 01:31:39,780 universe is what's happening here. This I mean, we have 20 1382 01:31:39,780 --> 01:31:44,820 shows now I think that at least I know of music shows Yeah 20 1383 01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:45,150 music 1384 01:31:45,149 --> 01:31:47,819 Dave Jones: shows while the wave wave like themselves are and 1385 01:31:47,819 --> 01:31:48,779 they got a music Yeah, they 1386 01:31:48,780 --> 01:31:51,300 Adam Curry: got a music show out. Yeah, Powell man is Yeah, I 1387 01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:51,780 was listening 1388 01:31:51,780 --> 01:31:53,940 Dave Jones: to booty call or whatever that was that Mike 1389 01:31:53,940 --> 01:31:57,720 Newman put out earlier booty call. No, that's not it. It's 1390 01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:58,410 some though. 1391 01:31:59,460 --> 01:32:00,510 Adam Curry: It's a mood wave. 1392 01:32:01,649 --> 01:32:02,369 Dave Jones: booty shaking. 1393 01:32:03,630 --> 01:32:04,410 Adam Curry: I haven't heard it. 1394 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,610 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, there's a bunch of stuff 1395 01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:11,580 out there. That's why we need this like we need because, like 1396 01:32:11,580 --> 01:32:15,270 saw like lightning thrashes. Yeah. Homegrown handle show, he 1397 01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:19,950 has an easy way to find metal. Yes, exactly. Find the middle. 1398 01:32:20,730 --> 01:32:21,000 Right 1399 01:32:20,999 --> 01:32:24,449 Adam Curry: now. You know, the influx of the inflow of music is 1400 01:32:24,449 --> 01:32:27,239 manageable enough. So every week I'll go in, I'll listen to all 1401 01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:32,849 the new stuff. Find your stuff. I go into split kit, which are 1402 01:32:32,849 --> 01:32:35,189 ln beats, but split kit is easy, because then I just start 1403 01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:39,869 building my songs. I want a little list. And it's 1404 01:32:39,899 --> 01:32:42,569 chronological order. So right at the top, it'll show you the most 1405 01:32:42,569 --> 01:32:44,819 recently added and I think now wave Lake is adding them 1406 01:32:44,819 --> 01:32:48,779 automatically. I think. I don't know that. Yeah, I think you're 1407 01:32:48,779 --> 01:32:53,759 right. Yes. So Mike Newman is on break. And he's got a reprieve. 1408 01:32:53,759 --> 01:32:57,149 Yes, he does. And I've just listened to him. You know, just 1409 01:32:57,149 --> 01:33:00,089 click on the artist, then sometimes just one song. 1410 01:33:00,089 --> 01:33:03,029 Sometimes it's a couple of songs. And you know, I just 1411 01:33:03,029 --> 01:33:05,309 can't it's like needle dropping and like, oh, okay, like this. 1412 01:33:05,609 --> 01:33:09,239 Click, I'll add that to my list. And just go on. Now, sometimes I 1413 01:33:09,239 --> 01:33:15,509 can see like, if it's, what's an example today to go into music, 1414 01:33:15,839 --> 01:33:20,639 and you'll see something like, you know, awesome techno snazzy 1415 01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:23,849 songs. I'm like, okay, I can probably just check it for a 1416 01:33:23,849 --> 01:33:26,729 second. I might not have to listen to all of them. That's 1417 01:33:26,730 --> 01:33:27,630 Dave Jones: just in and out. I 1418 01:33:27,630 --> 01:33:30,150 Adam Curry: mean, yeah, it's just not for me. The door. Yeah. 1419 01:33:30,540 --> 01:33:34,050 Oh, by the way, Abby Muir who I played last week she's not from 1420 01:33:34,050 --> 01:33:37,230 Sweden. She's from Australia. I was notified 1421 01:33:38,129 --> 01:33:41,189 Dave Jones: were you notified by sweet Yes, we did. The Australia 1422 01:33:41,190 --> 01:33:43,170 Adam Curry: the Australians called yeah they were pissed 1423 01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:46,560 Dave Jones: let me she's number one on the 1424 01:33:47,610 --> 01:33:51,030 Adam Curry: number one gets indexed out top how many what is 1425 01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:54,570 the top what are the what is the top today's top two honoree 1426 01:33:54,570 --> 01:33:59,370 today? Of 203? Yes, but here I see something I don't know yet. 1427 01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:04,170 The flat dancer the unusual cats project so I love these cats 1428 01:34:04,170 --> 01:34:09,450 project is a usual usual the usual Yeah, I know. Alan see 1429 01:34:09,450 --> 01:34:13,500 Paul. He seemed number four serenity. As I told him, that's 1430 01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:17,340 another instrumental track. I played his track. He put on 1431 01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:22,770 Instagram he said perspective. Two weeks on value for value. I 1432 01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:30,900 made more money than 10 years. Perspective. Yeah, instrumental 1433 01:34:30,930 --> 01:34:33,330 than he plays instrumental last time I played an instrumental 1434 01:34:33,330 --> 01:34:39,360 song on top 40 was Axel F with a theme from Miami Vice or Yan, 1435 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:43,770 holler. Whatever, Yan Hummer? Yeah, yeah, no, it was Beverly 1436 01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:47,310 Hills Cop was Axel F. And then after that came on Hummer with 1437 01:34:47,310 --> 01:34:49,980 theme from Miami Vice. That was the last time I played anything 1438 01:34:49,980 --> 01:34:50,760 instrumental, 1439 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:53,640 Dave Jones: though, dude, you've got to put you've got to play 1440 01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,390 some of this. The flat dancer thing. Like that's a pretty 1441 01:34:57,390 --> 01:35:01,650 killer track, jazz or something? Yeah, like the usual cats. 1442 01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:05,189 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I don't have I don't have it. Which one 1443 01:35:05,849 --> 01:35:06,179 the flight 1444 01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:08,790 Dave Jones: was played like this biggest puppy hitting the door 1445 01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:10,260 just picking picking on it for a second. 1446 01:35:13,019 --> 01:35:14,009 Adam Curry: Okay, I got you 1447 01:35:15,269 --> 01:35:16,769 Dave Jones: to stand up bass is what that is. 1448 01:35:19,979 --> 01:35:23,309 Adam Curry: Bom bom bom bom bom. Nice. Alright, cool. 1449 01:35:23,340 --> 01:35:25,320 Dave Jones: That's it. It's a mood waiting to happen. 1450 01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,540 Adam Curry: Got it. That's a booty. shakin right there. All 1451 01:35:27,540 --> 01:35:31,020 right, let's check that out for sure. For sure. I gotta do a 1452 01:35:31,020 --> 01:35:33,960 boosted ground ball this week. Okay, yeah. 1453 01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:39,870 Dave Jones: Alex pod ping over activity pub. Does that fill you 1454 01:35:39,870 --> 01:35:43,620 with the with, with dread? Or does that sound interesting? 1455 01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:47,430 Alecks Gates: Can you elaborate? 1456 01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:55,260 Dave Jones: Yes, I can. So I had this, I had this idea because 1457 01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:58,620 I'm in my head is in activity pub mode right now. And I'm, I'm 1458 01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:01,590 trying to get away from that. So they can get back to doing index 1459 01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:05,760 work. But it's like, I'm just consumed with it. So I was 1460 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:11,730 thinking, if if pod pings were also deliverable over activity 1461 01:36:11,730 --> 01:36:19,290 pub, then we could use activity pub as, as, as another medium to 1462 01:36:19,290 --> 01:36:23,580 get in Pub Sub ability so that you could subscribe to something 1463 01:36:23,580 --> 01:36:27,540 like to you could subscribe to the show. 1464 01:36:28,230 --> 01:36:30,360 Adam Curry: up on me. How about how about, can I just trip your 1465 01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:35,760 mind? About subscribe to a hashtag? That comes through on 1466 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:36,360 pod ping? 1467 01:36:37,770 --> 01:36:40,320 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay, yeah, like 1468 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,560 that. You could, we could do that too. Like you say, if we 1469 01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,280 combine them say, hey, you know, hashtag but so that you can say, 1470 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,210 okay, these shows I want to get pod pings for. And they would 1471 01:36:51,210 --> 01:36:58,260 have like a custom activity po type object type for the pod 1472 01:36:58,260 --> 01:37:04,380 pain. And it could serve as a sub subscription mechanism. 1473 01:37:05,730 --> 01:37:07,260 Through the data bridge. 1474 01:37:11,550 --> 01:37:15,180 Alecks Gates: The only issue I can see would be this is not 1475 01:37:15,180 --> 01:37:20,460 globally deliverable. It's not like it's not it's not a global 1476 01:37:20,460 --> 01:37:28,290 message bus, right. Some things could be missed. Maybe instances 1477 01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:31,950 might start blocking things. I don't know if that's really 1478 01:37:31,950 --> 01:37:35,460 relevant. Because if you follow something, that's all you would 1479 01:37:35,460 --> 01:37:38,880 need. I have to think about it. But I'm not totally against the 1480 01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:39,300 idea. 1481 01:37:39,660 --> 01:37:43,110 Dave Jones: Can I Can I ask hey, that's all I need. For Alex to 1482 01:37:43,110 --> 01:37:45,510 say. I'm totally against the idea. That's, that's the 1483 01:37:45,540 --> 01:37:46,890 daylight I was looking for. 1484 01:37:47,190 --> 01:37:50,370 Adam Curry: I need to ask a question day. Four. So 1485 01:37:50,370 --> 01:37:55,140 publishing today's episode, what do I use as the route posts? 1486 01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:58,950 Because I'm still a little confused. Anything, anything? 1487 01:37:59,490 --> 01:38:02,190 Well, how does that how does that integrate them with people 1488 01:38:02,190 --> 01:38:03,750 who are following the show? 1489 01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:08,370 Dave Jones: Okay, so the latest version of the bridge will just 1490 01:38:08,370 --> 01:38:13,290 take whatever is in the route, post, whatever's in the social 1491 01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:18,900 interact tag URL. And we'll just put that as a link in the post. 1492 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,660 Oh, 1493 01:38:21,690 --> 01:38:26,280 Adam Curry: god. Okay. Now I understand how it works. So we 1494 01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:30,600 can just click right when you subscribe to the show. So you 1495 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:35,160 know at what is it 249966 Whatever it is at a P dot 1496 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:39,450 podcast index.org then when that pops up, it'll have a link and 1497 01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:44,520 that's the and that's the link that I put in as the root post. 1498 01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,330 Dave Jones: Yeah, and it can be linked to any activity. Okay, 1499 01:38:48,330 --> 01:38:51,810 Adam Curry: thank you all right. Now I understand like oh, well 1500 01:38:51,810 --> 01:38:54,960 good. Well, this solves oh man love that. By the way. Lex 1501 01:38:54,960 --> 01:39:00,690 Friedman is using pod ping turns out you know, Lex Friedman is 1502 01:39:00,690 --> 01:39:05,910 huge. podcaster. So Andrew Brown Black Tiger. Yeah, the Brandon 1503 01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:11,460 black. Andrew Gromit just posted on the on the social and he's a 1504 01:39:11,460 --> 01:39:15,270 screenshot of Lex Friedman's URL, and it says pod ping uses 1505 01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:22,290 pod ping equals true. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I don't 1506 01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:22,470 know. 1507 01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,830 Dave Jones: Doesn't say where to get investigative investigate 1508 01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:26,130 this. 1509 01:39:27,899 --> 01:39:32,879 Adam Curry: Likes to show that I mean, yeah, these are 1510 01:39:32,879 --> 01:39:36,659 interesting little tidbits. By the way. Andrew Gromit. I see 1511 01:39:36,659 --> 01:39:40,199 your I see your boosts I see your tests boost their show. 1512 01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:40,529 What 1513 01:39:40,530 --> 01:39:41,760 Dave Jones: is it What's he cooking up? 1514 01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:46,200 Adam Curry: I don't while he's he's he's still cooking up the 1515 01:39:47,130 --> 01:39:51,900 podcast as well wonder what's the RSS feed? Let's take a look 1516 01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:53,220 at his feed. What is he using? 1517 01:39:53,970 --> 01:39:57,450 Dave Jones: Oh, he's Oh no. Here we go. Yeah, no. Oh, 1518 01:39:57,450 --> 01:40:00,540 Adam Curry: he's on Bloomberg. Bloomberg. Powerful. Read our 1519 01:40:00,540 --> 01:40:03,120 press. Oh, how about that? 1520 01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:05,730 Dave Jones: Todd delivering the good? Yes. Bang, 1521 01:40:05,730 --> 01:40:09,300 Adam Curry: bang. Alright, very cool. We go. Very cool. 1522 01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:12,990 Dave Jones: What? What's new users pod things? Like cool. 1523 01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:19,890 Todd. What's new on the pod pain front? Alex? 1524 01:40:23,550 --> 01:40:25,470 Alecks Gates: Well, nothing really. That's a good thing, 1525 01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:28,830 right? Yeah, running. This version has been running for 1526 01:40:29,340 --> 01:40:31,110 Adam Curry: over a year. Now, what's the uptime? How many how 1527 01:40:31,110 --> 01:40:33,180 many hours up to how many minutes uptime? 1528 01:40:33,810 --> 01:40:36,330 Alecks Gates: Well, Dave had to, actually there's no downtime, 1529 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:39,060 which centers on hive, technically, but they've had to 1530 01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:41,190 do some updates, I think last year, but otherwise, 1531 01:40:42,810 --> 01:40:45,780 Dave Jones: I actually rebooted everything about a month ago. 1532 01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:49,500 But before then it had been like, I think a year while since 1533 01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:50,310 that service. 1534 01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:54,840 Alecks Gates: I'm really proud of that. It's so stable, and no 1535 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,420 one really even thinks about it, which is what you want guy 1536 01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:59,700 Adam Curry: precise, just stuff that works. 1537 01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:04,290 Alecks Gates: Yeah. So. But in reality, we do have to think 1538 01:41:04,290 --> 01:41:08,790 about an update for the mediums, particularly, or the publisher. 1539 01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,170 So if we want the publisher medium, or whatever we decide to 1540 01:41:13,170 --> 01:41:17,760 call it. I think we're, we need to add that to pod ping. And 1541 01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:24,750 then there were a couple others, I think, who wanted the, I can't 1542 01:41:24,780 --> 01:41:27,810 I can't remember what it was. But there's a couple, there's a 1543 01:41:27,810 --> 01:41:29,730 couple of meetings we have to add. And that's it. There's, 1544 01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:30,450 Adam Curry: like 1545 01:41:30,450 --> 01:41:32,580 Dave Jones: course, or whatever. Yes, of course. That's 1546 01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:33,300 Alecks Gates: right. Okay. 1547 01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:38,040 Adam Curry: So, sir de nonnamous, who created being 1548 01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:43,500 at.io, which is basically he's ingested every transcript from 1549 01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:48,000 no agenda, every show notes, because I published an OPML. All 1550 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,970 the image is he's got everything in there. And he has a search 1551 01:41:50,970 --> 01:41:55,830 function. Hey, I gotta read it. Well, he's, you know, it's a 1552 01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:59,820 search function. And, but it would be great to have some kind 1553 01:41:59,820 --> 01:42:02,760 of large language model baked out or as they call it now 1554 01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:06,210 extended? No, is it? Yeah, I think it's called extended 1555 01:42:06,210 --> 01:42:11,910 language model. This is a new hip term. So when he was when, 1556 01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:15,300 when I published, so when I so what comes after the fact I 1557 01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:22,470 publish the the transcript comes later. Right, I put a dummy file 1558 01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:26,640 in and then a dummy file, and it put one chapter in. And then 1559 01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:30,300 Dred Scott goes and does the chapters. And then after 30 1560 01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:34,470 minutes, or whatever, I upload the full transcript. And so I 1561 01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:40,110 hit update. But I don't think when I hit the pod ping, does 1562 01:42:40,110 --> 01:42:42,240 that just create an update? Reason code? 1563 01:42:43,380 --> 01:42:47,670 Alecks Gates: Yes, yes. And it won't. apps won't know that 1564 01:42:47,670 --> 01:42:49,650 there's no update to the chapters without checking the 1565 01:42:49,710 --> 01:42:54,810 zero. Right? I do I do have a solution for that. Okay. It's 1566 01:42:54,810 --> 01:42:59,100 called if you go to the page or go to the pod pinning hive 1567 01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:04,620 writer, GitHub. I think it's the the update, external reason 1568 01:43:04,620 --> 01:43:10,140 code. And it basically, basically, the idea is to take a 1569 01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:15,960 hash of the of the URL, and send a pod pain when you update 1570 01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:19,800 something external to the feed, that note that notifies apps 1571 01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,340 that something has changes. So it would be chapters, images, 1572 01:43:23,370 --> 01:43:25,890 transcripts, all the above Ah, 1573 01:43:25,890 --> 01:43:28,320 Adam Curry: beautiful. Well, that's exactly the answer he's 1574 01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,920 looking for. We just have to make it. So 1575 01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:35,820 Alecks Gates: that would be I'm all for doing that as soon as 1576 01:43:35,820 --> 01:43:37,410 possible. If we agree to do it. 1577 01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:39,900 Adam Curry: I would love it. Because that's, you know, 1578 01:43:40,050 --> 01:43:42,750 there's just certain things that come after the fact chapters. 1579 01:43:42,990 --> 01:43:46,020 You know, there's all kinds of different types of chapters that 1580 01:43:46,020 --> 01:43:52,110 add even with the reflex service with the often disputed reflex 1581 01:43:52,110 --> 01:43:55,680 service of adding a you know, putting the booths not at the 1582 01:43:55,680 --> 01:44:01,500 table of contents, but into into a chapter marker. You know, that 1583 01:44:01,500 --> 01:44:03,000 updates on the fly as well. 1584 01:44:04,050 --> 01:44:08,520 Dave Jones: See, this is the update. exe. Yes. An indication 1585 01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,070 that an existing RSS feed with a defined podcast good has changed 1586 01:44:11,070 --> 01:44:15,180 externally available resource given good must be okay. Yeah. 1587 01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:17,700 Yeah, this makes sense. Makes sense of 1588 01:44:17,700 --> 01:44:19,710 Alecks Gates: doing it that way. Is it woodworkers some some like 1589 01:44:19,710 --> 01:44:23,700 IPFS as well. So I'm not trying to try and keep a future proof. 1590 01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:24,600 Adam Curry: Nice. 1591 01:44:24,690 --> 01:44:29,250 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, right. Okay. Yeah, this might Yeah, 1592 01:44:29,250 --> 01:44:31,650 this makes sense. Yeah, we'll have to get it we're gonna have 1593 01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:36,360 to get back to pod paying whenever, maybe, maybe, maybe 1594 01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:40,170 timeline on that, for me would be to kind of get back into the 1595 01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:44,700 after face seven, because then we can figure out if we, which 1596 01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:48,090 published like which mediums we need, and then we can just 1597 01:44:48,090 --> 01:44:50,760 revisit it and do it. Kind of hit that all at once. If you're 1598 01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:51,420 ready for it. 1599 01:44:52,710 --> 01:44:54,720 Alecks Gates: Let's do it. Part three is my favorite subject. 1600 01:44:56,700 --> 01:44:59,790 Adam Curry: is shall we thank thanks a few people. Oh, yeah, 1601 01:44:59,790 --> 01:45:02,190 sure. I'm gonna run through some of the live boosts we've been 1602 01:45:02,190 --> 01:45:06,750 receiving on my fancy new heli pad by the way Eric P P. It 1603 01:45:06,750 --> 01:45:11,310 still shows the install was version Oh dot one dot 11 But it 1604 01:45:11,310 --> 01:45:16,260 shows Oh dot one dot 10 on the interface just FYI little little 1605 01:45:16,260 --> 01:45:23,460 bug feedback inside baseball bully steed 4444 Ah podcasting 1606 01:45:23,460 --> 01:45:28,710 2.0 homegrown hits variety show v Furby little promo there yeah 1607 01:45:28,740 --> 01:45:32,700 70 and 76 Freedom booths from blueberry I'm loving podcast 1608 01:45:32,700 --> 01:45:36,420 guru and the live value time split so cool. So very deeply 1609 01:45:36,420 --> 01:45:41,430 legal. Enjoying some Jimmy V in the boardroom and there's Dobby 1610 01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:45,060 das with 3000 SATs and what's he boosting from podcast guru as 1611 01:45:45,060 --> 01:45:48,120 well boosting Jimmy V LIVE via podcast guru with live wallet 1612 01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:54,270 switching 19 value recipients he really has 19 value recipients 1613 01:45:54,570 --> 01:45:57,240 Dave Jones: you want to know why lb goes down? That's this 1614 01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:58,680 blueberry that's 1615 01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,300 Adam Curry: I wonder if that's that's that Jimmy V i don't have 1616 01:46:03,300 --> 01:46:06,480 no we don't have 19 dogs so I guess he so we switched to 19 1617 01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:12,930 value recipients love it. Geez. Dred Scott 4567 from pod verse 1618 01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:18,510 and he says love you Adam hashtag SATs back. Boost me 1619 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:22,440 boost me on cast thematic and I'll send you some back 8888 1620 01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:26,520 from a Chris You know, on pod verse with Alex gates on the 1621 01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:31,620 show. For those who are anti noster I challenged them to 1622 01:46:31,620 --> 01:46:37,800 build a competing solution to nip 47 Pull requests 685 which 1623 01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:42,480 allows any podcast player to push payment out info out into 1624 01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:46,740 any wallet, including non custodial wallets. This includes 1625 01:46:46,740 --> 01:46:51,210 keys and splits custom key custom value and any TLV 1626 01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:55,380 records. LB is fantastic. But having backups is a good idea. 1627 01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:59,490 Okay, Does anyone understand what that is? 1628 01:46:59,700 --> 01:47:00,900 Dave Jones: No, no, no. 1629 01:47:02,490 --> 01:47:07,590 Adam Curry: Nip 47 685 47 1630 01:47:07,620 --> 01:47:11,070 Dave Jones: net 47 And what was the 685 1631 01:47:11,370 --> 01:47:14,040 Adam Curry: nostre wallet connect extensions? 1632 01:47:16,530 --> 01:47:19,470 Dave Jones: Oh noster wallet connect okay describes a way for 1633 01:47:19,470 --> 01:47:21,210 clients to access remote lightning wallet, their 1634 01:47:21,210 --> 01:47:22,320 standardized protocol. 1635 01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:25,620 Alecks Gates: Don't Don't Don't get me started on Nastar. It's 1636 01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:26,010 just 1637 01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,110 Dave Jones: they think he's kind of want to 1638 01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:36,690 Adam Curry: see what happens when you poke the bear. All 1639 01:47:36,690 --> 01:47:37,290 right, but 1640 01:47:38,970 --> 01:47:42,690 Alecks Gates: yes, it's just it's just a way of using 1641 01:47:42,690 --> 01:47:48,540 centralized servers to publish HTTP endpoints. It doesn't solve 1642 01:47:48,540 --> 01:47:49,260 anything new. 1643 01:47:50,910 --> 01:47:55,290 Adam Curry: Moving on to blueberry with 6666 I'm happy to 1644 01:47:55,290 --> 01:47:58,920 move on. It should be noted we have a severe overpopulation of 1645 01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:03,720 goats in the greenroom. And we need your help all boost. A 1646 01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:07,830 goats are getting dropped from 666 to six six this coming 1647 01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:13,020 Monday on beyond the schemes. That's right fools. This is an 1648 01:48:13,020 --> 01:48:14,460 ad Episode One 1649 01:48:14,700 --> 01:48:15,870 Dave Jones: snip 47 1650 01:48:18,420 --> 01:48:21,240 Adam Curry: That's right fools episode 187 We'll see a fire 1651 01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:25,380 sale on goats they've got to go okay and blueberry comes in with 1652 01:48:25,530 --> 01:48:30,900 17,776 That's shout out to Hey citizen for the tip on how to 1653 01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:34,980 get lightning control going off the computer. Oh yeah, that is 1654 01:48:34,980 --> 01:48:39,450 kind of cool. So be sent a video when a boost comes through then 1655 01:48:39,450 --> 01:48:42,270 all of a sudden some lights flash in the studio. I like 1656 01:48:42,270 --> 01:48:44,070 that. You saw those videos. 1657 01:48:44,190 --> 01:48:46,410 Dave Jones: Did you see that Alex that he did you see what he 1658 01:48:46,410 --> 01:48:46,890 posted? 1659 01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:49,530 Alecks Gates: No, but I want to 1660 01:48:49,650 --> 01:48:52,950 Adam Curry: Yeah, he's using DMX protocol to fire off lights 1661 01:48:53,250 --> 01:48:55,950 right? This is quite literally gonna be lit we got another 1662 01:48:55,950 --> 01:48:58,980 crazy idea for new type of boosts So be watching for to 1663 01:48:58,980 --> 01:49:03,060 debut on homegrown hit soonish Okay. Salty crayon comes in how 1664 01:49:03,060 --> 01:49:06,480 do you boardroom with the road ducks 2222 from pod verse. How 1665 01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:08,760 do you from the northeast corner of the Texas Hill Country the 1666 01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,780 fountain split percentages are out of whack I don't have over 1667 01:49:12,780 --> 01:49:17,910 1,000% on my note for splits. This is this is something Dobby 1668 01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:21,930 Das is working on with fountain to correct no errors on my E 1669 01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:25,200 they're coming through break new flag release for Texas to the 1670 01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:28,440 Biden administration F around and find out in the pipe go 1671 01:49:28,440 --> 01:49:33,660 podcasting. Whoa. I saw a lot 1672 01:49:33,660 --> 01:49:36,510 Dave Jones: of is a lot of drunk donations gonna It's Saturday, 1673 01:49:36,510 --> 01:49:37,800 Adam Curry: you know it's a different crowd in the 1674 01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:41,520 boardroom. It's like everyone came in their casual slacks you 1675 01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:47,190 know, like came in jeans, little buzz, you know, like, hey, we 1676 01:49:47,250 --> 01:49:51,390 coming in from podcast Guru 500 SATs from Sockeye the horse and 1677 01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:58,710 cue another salty crayon with an Abby boost. Then there's a test 1678 01:49:58,710 --> 01:50:05,640 boost from me and And I think well, there's one from five 1679 01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,970 hours ago. So you have that one. That was a question a topic for 1680 01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:11,820 Alex. So I think we can move it over to you, Dave. 1681 01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:15,000 Dave Jones: Okay, well, let me let me hit some papers first, 1682 01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:19,470 because we've got. I mentioned last week we lost a big donor. 1683 01:50:19,470 --> 01:50:25,290 And yeah, I was I was incorrect, because, but Buzzsprout can't 1684 01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:30,030 cancel their $500 a month donation. Because they were 1685 01:50:30,060 --> 01:50:34,680 going to add a news monthly donation of $1,000. So 1686 01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:37,530 Adam Curry: we just got $2,000. From from bessborough. Yes. 1687 01:50:39,060 --> 01:50:45,900 Sakala 20 is blade only Impala, guys, thank you so much. Yeah, 1688 01:50:45,900 --> 01:50:51,630 that that. That really, that is big. Thank you. Yeah, that's a 1689 01:50:51,660 --> 01:50:54,660 massive value that you're giving us there. And 1690 01:50:54,660 --> 01:50:57,870 Dave Jones: congrats to them. Because that blog said the 1691 01:50:57,870 --> 01:50:59,130 transcript tag was what? 1692 01:50:59,190 --> 01:51:01,380 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, they brought it to the party for 1693 01:51:01,380 --> 01:51:03,090 sure. Because 1694 01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:05,370 Dave Jones: I think that was the first tag we worked on in the 1695 01:51:05,370 --> 01:51:10,140 namespace. And it's because they were already trial running it 1696 01:51:10,140 --> 01:51:12,900 when, when when the namespace was created, they were already 1697 01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:15,870 trial running that tag with podcast with Xavier from podcast 1698 01:51:15,870 --> 01:51:19,230 addict. So they were doing some testing with it. And they had, 1699 01:51:19,770 --> 01:51:22,470 they had just kind of rolled it out the door. And then the 1700 01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:24,420 namespace came along and they're like, Hey, let's just go ahead 1701 01:51:24,420 --> 01:51:28,260 and put this into the namespace. Thank God since there Yeah, what 1702 01:51:28,260 --> 01:51:30,090 Adam Curry: was the wasn't chapters from a different 1703 01:51:30,090 --> 01:51:30,960 namespace 1704 01:51:32,189 --> 01:51:37,259 Dave Jones: chapters, we inherited the format from an app 1705 01:51:37,289 --> 01:51:42,599 called Mac called podcast chapters for the Mac. 1706 01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,450 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Right. That's what it was. Yes. Yeah. 1707 01:51:47,460 --> 01:51:49,620 Dave Jones: We also the party's not over because of Marco 1708 01:51:49,620 --> 01:51:51,990 Harmon. He's back with $500 again this 1709 01:51:53,580 --> 01:51:56,280 Adam Curry: man we are just hammering it with the value 1710 01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:59,940 Thank you. And just because it was kind of slow the past couple 1711 01:51:59,940 --> 01:52:02,910 of shows. So this is very welcome. And 1712 01:52:02,910 --> 01:52:05,610 Dave Jones: I'm hoping that I'm hoping that another benefit of 1713 01:52:05,610 --> 01:52:09,870 of Apple adopting 2.0 tags it's gonna be that that guy over cash 1714 01:52:09,900 --> 01:52:13,290 Yeah, yeah. will become more comfortable with with doing 1715 01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:15,570 these things as well. And so we'll get more broad adoption 1716 01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:16,770 that 1717 01:52:16,770 --> 01:52:19,710 Adam Curry: he might want to, you know, surpass them by adding 1718 01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,280 just the thought. We got 1719 01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:28,140 Dave Jones: one we get one weekly pay pal from Travis 1720 01:52:28,140 --> 01:52:31,410 halls. He says thank you $7.17 Thank you. 1721 01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:32,250 Adam Curry: Thank you Travis. 1722 01:52:33,660 --> 01:52:39,180 Dave Jones: Appreciate it gets a boost. We get 10,000 SATs. Yeah, 1723 01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:43,020 me too. Nathan I get the Pocket Casts is there another one that 1724 01:52:43,020 --> 01:52:45,720 said that they were going to be putting in a bunch of stuff and 1725 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,640 then they did that ever truly. Yeah, that's yeah. 1726 01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:52,110 Adam Curry: They and they rolled out subscriptions for themselves 1727 01:52:52,740 --> 01:52:53,610 for themselves. 1728 01:52:55,740 --> 01:52:59,430 Dave Jones: Anonymous five 500 SATs as a great song that was 1729 01:52:59,430 --> 01:53:04,380 for during the song last week all right. Yep, just listening 1730 01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:08,430 send a 1776 through fountain and he says I need that Bill Gates 1731 01:53:08,430 --> 01:53:10,590 AI clip boosting episode 163 1732 01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:16,320 Adam Curry: It's published it's on it you can go to Bing it.io 1733 01:53:16,590 --> 01:53:18,960 and look for Bill Gates and then look for Eclipse and you'll find 1734 01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:19,110 it 1735 01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:23,040 Dave Jones: Chris last oh this Chris from Jupiter broadcasting 1736 01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,820 68 848 through fountain he says great work guys really cooking 1737 01:53:26,820 --> 01:53:32,880 with clean burning propane these days? Most appreciate it. Chris. 1738 01:53:34,440 --> 01:53:38,850 Let's see who got 1701 through my from my Dale cast thematic. 1739 01:53:38,850 --> 01:53:40,500 He says alternate feed tag. 1740 01:53:41,820 --> 01:53:46,710 Adam Curry: Yes. Alternate feed tag. Boost. Alternate feed tag. 1741 01:53:46,740 --> 01:53:47,130 Yeah. 1742 01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:51,180 Dave Jones: We're We're on it. Mike. I'm posting in the in the 1743 01:53:51,180 --> 01:53:56,940 GitHub back in the namespace now. munei Gomez 4321 says 1744 01:53:56,940 --> 01:53:59,280 through pod verse. He says you guys are making so much sass. 1745 01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:00,360 Here's some more says 1746 01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,720 Adam Curry: Yeah. Give me some sass. Give me some sass streams 1747 01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:05,250 stream no SATs. 1748 01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:11,940 Dave Jones: He's both been 1337 leet boost through cast Matic. 1749 01:54:11,940 --> 01:54:15,120 He says, Could you make an API endpoint that returns a JSON 1750 01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:18,840 hash of all the bucket like things where each object has a 1751 01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:23,070 title as the key and a sub object with the URL and a 1752 01:54:23,070 --> 01:54:27,630 description of what it is aka something like stats URL, this 1753 01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:32,070 description URL, this other thing? Oh, okay. That's actually 1754 01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:32,310 an 1755 01:54:33,060 --> 01:54:35,340 Adam Curry: what is that? I don't understand. So 1756 01:54:35,340 --> 01:54:37,710 Dave Jones: he's wanting an A, he's wanting an endpoint in the 1757 01:54:37,710 --> 01:54:41,760 API where he can record where you can request all the various 1758 01:54:41,790 --> 01:54:45,180 bits of stuff that we published an object storage. They're just 1759 01:54:45,180 --> 01:54:49,200 sort of like single downloads like a stats file is located 1760 01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:55,680 here. The podcast, let the value provider stats page is here, 1761 01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:55,860 that 1762 01:54:57,060 --> 01:54:59,610 Adam Curry: info endpoint. Yeah, it makes 1763 01:54:59,610 --> 01:55:01,950 Dave Jones: sense. I can do that. Yeah. Because I've been 1764 01:55:01,950 --> 01:55:04,590 looking for a way to make that stuff more easily, easily 1765 01:55:04,590 --> 01:55:07,290 findable to Yeah. They make a note of that. 1766 01:55:09,660 --> 01:55:12,030 Adam Curry: Info API endpoint. 1767 01:55:12,570 --> 01:55:15,510 Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah, sure. Gene that sounds like a great 1768 01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:19,080 idea. Cole McCormick 3333 through fountain he says the 1769 01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,780 wave Lake talk is interesting. I just had an interview with an 1770 01:55:21,780 --> 01:55:24,240 artist who considered wavelike to be posting his music on the 1771 01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,270 Lightning Network. Had to lay him in on the podcasting 1772 01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:29,700 revolution noster was never a thing in my opinion. So 1773 01:55:29,700 --> 01:55:32,340 hopefully they stopped talking about it and be a modern music 1774 01:55:32,340 --> 01:55:34,470 host similar to pod home. Oh, 1775 01:55:34,650 --> 01:55:36,180 Adam Curry: that is kind of my dream. 1776 01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:42,120 Dave Jones: At just feel like honestly, with with all of the 1777 01:55:42,150 --> 01:55:44,550 Bitcoin based companies I feel like nostra has just been a 1778 01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:46,680 gigantic distraction of time and money. 1779 01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,070 Adam Curry: There was a interesting interview on the 1780 01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:55,350 power the Phantom phantom power business hour, I think and they 1781 01:55:55,350 --> 01:56:05,010 had they had on Jay 50 fives wife, who does marketing. And it 1782 01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:07,860 was kind of interesting, because it became more and more apparent 1783 01:56:07,860 --> 01:56:11,820 that you know that they're really a solution looking for a 1784 01:56:11,820 --> 01:56:16,230 problem. Yeah, and everyone sees it, you know, the Bitcoin thing 1785 01:56:16,230 --> 01:56:19,080 is just, it's just like, you know, it opens up a wallet when 1786 01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,740 you click on the on the ZAP thing. It's like, okay, you 1787 01:56:22,740 --> 01:56:24,480 know, can't we do that on Twitter too? 1788 01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:27,780 Dave Jones: Let's liquid this liquid. You said Alex is like, 1789 01:56:27,810 --> 01:56:31,530 it's not bringing anything new to the table. It's just the same 1790 01:56:31,530 --> 01:56:32,040 old thing. 1791 01:56:32,580 --> 01:56:38,820 Adam Curry: And so Domus has 25,000 users that download I 1792 01:56:38,820 --> 01:56:42,060 don't know if that's active users. It feels when I look at 1793 01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:46,980 Nasr. It feels like 5000 tops. Just doesn't doesn't feel like 1794 01:56:46,980 --> 01:56:50,490 much of me. And then the the unique selling point is, you 1795 01:56:50,490 --> 01:56:53,130 know, censorship resistant. Okay. 1796 01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:58,350 Dave Jones: But I would argue that I would argue that activity 1797 01:56:58,350 --> 01:57:04,560 Pub is more censorship resistant than Nasri all day long. I mean, 1798 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:05,310 yeah. 1799 01:57:07,470 --> 01:57:09,390 Adam Curry: I would not take the other side of that argument. 1800 01:57:10,710 --> 01:57:13,050 Dave Jones: Yeah, because you're right. It's because it made us 1801 01:57:13,050 --> 01:57:17,040 centuries, like, like Alex said, is centralized HTTP. So 1802 01:57:17,100 --> 01:57:18,510 Adam Curry: this age has spoken. 1803 01:57:21,390 --> 01:57:26,250 Dave Jones: This age has repeated what Alex said. Gene 1804 01:57:26,250 --> 01:57:30,210 been 111 SATs says I'm digging the sound and feel of this song. 1805 01:57:30,210 --> 01:57:31,200 Nice find Adam. 1806 01:57:31,649 --> 01:57:33,809 Adam Curry: Oh, that is that Abby again? Probably Yeah, 1807 01:57:34,349 --> 01:57:36,929 probably. So she's already at the top of the chart. 1808 01:57:38,580 --> 01:57:41,910 Dave Jones: I tried Bootsy gene, again, 2222 pieces, I tried 1809 01:57:41,910 --> 01:57:45,030 boosting about value blocks and broke stuff because it was over 1810 01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:48,510 700 characters IE, here's a link to the content of the original 1811 01:57:48,510 --> 01:57:52,020 boost, instead, you're gonna get a link to something. 1812 01:57:54,090 --> 01:57:55,650 Adam Curry: Here we're gonna have there's limits to what you 1813 01:57:55,650 --> 01:57:59,460 should be doing in boosting Graham's. He's the people who 1814 01:57:59,460 --> 01:58:03,300 sang the same gene being is the kind of guy who sends me a one 1815 01:58:03,300 --> 01:58:05,790 gig movie through email. Cool, man, look at it. 1816 01:58:09,090 --> 01:58:11,250 Dave Jones: Gene bean has a lot to say say, I wonder I wonder if 1817 01:58:11,250 --> 01:58:14,010 this is too long. So speaking of value blogs, what became of 1818 01:58:14,010 --> 01:58:17,730 making an API endpoint that provides a version of my RSS 1819 01:58:17,730 --> 01:58:23,190 feed enhanced with value blocks shown via podcast or wallet? Did 1820 01:58:23,190 --> 01:58:25,140 we say we were going to do that? I don't 1821 01:58:26,430 --> 01:58:27,150 Adam Curry: think so. 1822 01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,360 Dave Jones: He said something about training pot home and we'd 1823 01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:32,760 love for them to be able to import my fee that doesn't have 1824 01:58:32,940 --> 01:58:35,790 oh, I know what he's talking. I know what he's talking about. 1825 01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:41,580 And he's talking about like what we're having. Where for podcasts 1826 01:58:41,580 --> 01:58:44,700 to quality if you wanted to move the splits for the old episodes 1827 01:58:44,700 --> 01:58:49,080 wouldn't be there. Yeah. Oh, right. We're we're gonna export 1828 01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:55,440 it out. There yeah, I forgot to do that. And I don't like this 1829 01:58:55,440 --> 01:59:00,090 episode is hashtag Dave to do. I got home. Yes, seriously, I got 1830 01:59:00,090 --> 01:59:02,610 homework now. Was the XML. 1831 01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:06,120 Alecks Gates: Maybe we should put that hashtag in the item. 1832 01:59:06,630 --> 01:59:11,130 Oh, there's actually every episode. 1833 01:59:12,420 --> 01:59:15,630 Dave Jones: You're right. Because every episode, my list 1834 01:59:15,630 --> 01:59:18,630 gets longer. I think this is this is correct. It will ruin 1835 01:59:18,630 --> 01:59:23,940 your list though. Yes, I'll just ignore it like I always do. 2022 1836 01:59:23,940 --> 01:59:27,510 Jacob, do pod verse. Fantastic idea to use time splits and 1837 01:59:27,510 --> 01:59:29,760 through them direct messaging to advertisers. 1838 01:59:30,300 --> 01:59:34,380 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, it worked. It looks like looks like 1839 01:59:34,410 --> 01:59:39,720 pod pod news. Got more advertising just keeps on going 1840 01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:41,010 with the with Hindenburg. 1841 01:59:42,450 --> 01:59:47,130 Dave Jones: Yeah, Franco, that's Franco Celerio for cast ematic 1842 01:59:47,130 --> 01:59:50,070 is sent 500 says he says Girls Rock. 1843 01:59:52,620 --> 01:59:55,380 Adam Curry: Okay, Frank. I replied to him, actually, that 1844 01:59:55,380 --> 01:59:58,860 showed up his reply. I replied to him in helipad. Alright, so 1845 01:59:58,860 --> 02:00:01,290 yes, here's the 1000s That's yes they do. 1846 02:00:02,970 --> 02:00:04,560 Dave Jones: You're out of control now 1847 02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:08,220 Adam Curry: I'm sending money back send me money I'll send it 1848 02:00:08,220 --> 02:00:08,730 back. 1849 02:00:09,329 --> 02:00:11,819 Dave Jones: Now you're gonna you're this is just another way 1850 02:00:11,819 --> 02:00:14,399 for you to lose first to send lots of money to people. 1851 02:00:15,239 --> 02:00:18,449 Adam Curry: I love it so much fun. Franco again 1852 02:00:18,450 --> 02:00:21,420 Dave Jones: 15,000 SATs this time he says Love and SATs 1853 02:00:22,350 --> 02:00:26,490 thanks Franco. Oh, and we got a we got comic strip blogger to 1854 02:00:26,490 --> 02:00:30,870 deliver an order 34,000 new fountain he says howdy bros, 1855 02:00:30,870 --> 02:00:34,680 David Adam. Ah, no agenda social, a little server that 1856 02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:38,610 could until it couldn't shared memes, please. That's like 1857 02:00:38,610 --> 02:00:40,860 saying you contributed to culture before wedding chain 1858 02:00:40,860 --> 02:00:44,430 meals. But hey, thanks for the memories nodes into social 1859 02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:47,070 you'll be remembered like that one song everyone skips in their 1860 02:00:47,070 --> 02:00:51,600 playlist but never deletes what now? fallacy is be just three 1861 02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:54,150 letters on X formerly known as Twitter for cartoons without 1862 02:00:54,150 --> 02:00:59,340 baboons or visit his blog at www dot CSV dot lol exclamation 1863 02:00:59,340 --> 02:01:00,570 point. Yo CSV 1864 02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:05,340 Adam Curry: All right. CSV and we have a too late booster grams 1865 02:01:05,340 --> 02:01:09,780 coming in from Nathan g 2222. Dave came here to build a bridge 1866 02:01:09,780 --> 02:01:13,950 and work on phase seven. And he's all Outerbridge. Yeah. 1867 02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,790 Dave Jones: And I've never had a bridge I've always got more 1868 02:01:17,790 --> 02:01:18,240 bridge 1869 02:01:18,330 --> 02:01:21,840 Adam Curry: and DS laughs came at DS last he's my man DS laughs 1870 02:01:21,870 --> 02:01:24,540 He's he's in the valley verse Valley for value music little 1871 02:01:24,540 --> 02:01:28,350 cool little bits of show mixes for no agenda. 1000 SATs he says 1872 02:01:28,350 --> 02:01:31,380 Since leaving my corporate jobs this is the only board meeting I 1873 02:01:31,380 --> 02:01:35,790 can sit through. Much love to the podcasters. Understandable. 1874 02:01:36,540 --> 02:01:36,690 All 1875 02:01:36,690 --> 02:01:40,320 Dave Jones: right, Lincoln sent a note in his 20,000 says that 1876 02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:44,190 he says well regarding question for Alex forgot to edit my boost 1877 02:01:44,190 --> 02:01:47,430 amount. But I don't see a question for Alex anywhere. Do 1878 02:01:47,430 --> 02:01:48,120 you? Yeah, I 1879 02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,930 Adam Curry: have it here. Hold on a second. Hold on me scroll 1880 02:01:51,930 --> 02:01:58,200 down. Question topic for Alex. to opine on. The use of a 1881 02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:02,760 specific boost bot has been contentious. Boy, Alex get 1882 02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:08,190 ready. As it has been. And I know we all know Alex. I love 1883 02:02:08,190 --> 02:02:12,240 Alex. But I know that he's right. Get Rudy Alex, the use of 1884 02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:15,420 a specific boost bot has been contentious as it is seen as a 1885 02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:18,990 hack and not aligned with open source and decentralization. 1886 02:02:19,020 --> 02:02:22,260 Instead, it will be preferable to share boost messages and 1887 02:02:22,260 --> 02:02:26,070 amounts to an open protocol like activity pub for transparency, 1888 02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:29,340 interoperability and sustainability in the podcasting 1889 02:02:29,370 --> 02:02:31,830 ecosystem. Oh, podcasting 1890 02:02:33,780 --> 02:02:37,560 Alecks Gates: found on fountain boost. Some comments? Yes, I 1891 02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:39,600 Adam Curry: think that's what the what is meant they could 1892 02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:40,919 Alecks Gates: they could publish to the activity problem. They 1893 02:02:40,919 --> 02:02:48,299 don't. That's all there is to it. And also, if you 1894 02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:59,460 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that's another they can do. So tell me 1895 02:02:59,460 --> 02:03:02,370 about what yeah. Tell me about that. Alex, because you're 1896 02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,710 messaging him up at the about that earlier about playlist? 1897 02:03:05,700 --> 02:03:08,640 Alecks Gates: Yeah. Typically, we should probably check again. 1898 02:03:08,670 --> 02:03:12,510 But my understanding is they don't make their they don't 1899 02:03:12,510 --> 02:03:15,960 publish their playlist as RSS feeds, which would be really 1900 02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:19,350 easy to do. And that would allow the players to be shared across 1901 02:03:19,350 --> 02:03:19,920 to apps. 1902 02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:22,380 Adam Curry: Well, you know, what's interesting, is we're 1903 02:03:22,380 --> 02:03:27,420 seeing both fountain and true fans kind of emerging as 1904 02:03:27,420 --> 02:03:35,250 platforms, which I'm, I have thoughts about because, you 1905 02:03:35,250 --> 02:03:41,820 know, there's so there's no take true fans as the example. Sam 1906 02:03:41,820 --> 02:03:45,660 Sethi says, Oh, look, your publisher feed is here. And so I 1907 02:03:45,660 --> 02:03:50,130 have not published anything. He has made a reasonable estimation 1908 02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:54,090 of which shows I am the publisher of and they show up in 1909 02:03:54,090 --> 02:03:59,160 their platform, and I can go into some back end admin and I 1910 02:03:59,160 --> 02:04:04,500 can change those. And I think they are exportable or they will 1911 02:04:04,500 --> 02:04:08,010 be exportable as an RSS feed. It's just interesting. 1912 02:04:09,780 --> 02:04:14,580 Interesting how he is in I think he actually calls him that calls 1913 02:04:14,580 --> 02:04:21,390 true fans now a platform. But the the playlists what I don't 1914 02:04:21,390 --> 02:04:24,660 like about what I've seen in the playlist on fountain is they are 1915 02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:28,830 the getting a split that doesn't really go through the split 1916 02:04:28,830 --> 02:04:29,430 system. 1917 02:04:31,439 --> 02:04:34,019 Dave Jones: Oh, it's like an internal allocation believe so 1918 02:04:34,019 --> 02:04:34,499 yeah. 1919 02:04:35,550 --> 02:04:38,250 Adam Curry: Which is not correct. Really the transparency 1920 02:04:38,250 --> 02:04:42,180 that we desire? Because I think podcast I think music playlists 1921 02:04:42,210 --> 02:04:45,270 are going to be very big. We have a medium and we have a 1922 02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:48,720 medium type forum. Is that music L is that a playlist? Is it 1923 02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:52,980 music? L is that what it was? Yep. Yep, music L so publishing 1924 02:04:52,980 --> 02:04:56,520 those back would be great. And then and then put the split in 1925 02:04:56,520 --> 02:05:00,480 from the person who created it so they can they can start Uh, 1926 02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:05,280 as more apps can ingest this, the artists do better and your 1927 02:05:05,310 --> 02:05:08,550 quote unquote customer gets money back into their, into 1928 02:05:08,550 --> 02:05:12,000 their wallet on fountain. So yeah, exploitability would be 1929 02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,180 nice. I agree. And we 1930 02:05:15,180 --> 02:05:19,380 Alecks Gates: could do it for clips to say yes. So they live 1931 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,350 clips. They could publish them if they wanted to. 1932 02:05:24,660 --> 02:05:26,520 Adam Curry: Well, I think we should nominate you to their 1933 02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:31,620 board. I'm gonna buy some shares and put you in as an activist 1934 02:05:31,620 --> 02:05:32,220 investor. 1935 02:05:32,850 --> 02:05:36,900 Alecks Gates: Oh, that I'd have to like Master so. Wow. 1936 02:05:40,410 --> 02:05:45,270 Adam Curry: will take over. Do we have any? Any one offs? 1937 02:05:45,300 --> 02:05:45,990 David? 1938 02:05:46,650 --> 02:05:51,300 Dave Jones: Yes and monthly. Definitely do. drips got $15 Big 1939 02:05:51,300 --> 02:05:55,380 Bruce Wayne of podcasting. He's got Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Thank 1940 02:05:55,380 --> 02:06:00,180 you, Michael Jordan. Dunnville $10. Think Jordan. Kevin Bay 1941 02:06:00,180 --> 02:06:06,360 $3.43 from the monthly endowment fund. Yes. James Sullivan. $10. 1942 02:06:06,810 --> 02:06:10,680 Christopher Raymer $10 Shawn McCune $20 Thank you. Shawn 1943 02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:16,470 Cohen glotzbach $5. Michael Gagan $5 In Charles current $5 1944 02:06:16,500 --> 02:06:17,070 group, 1945 02:06:17,130 --> 02:06:19,140 Adam Curry: very good group thank you all for supporting 1946 02:06:19,410 --> 02:06:23,580 podcasting 2.0 The podcast is the gateway to your support for 1947 02:06:23,580 --> 02:06:27,960 the entire project. Everything goes towards servers etc David 1948 02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:30,840 Adam take nothing we will give away some liquidity if you need 1949 02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:34,680 it, if you need a channel from because we definitely want to 1950 02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:39,210 support people using other types of wallets. Just to decentralize 1951 02:06:39,210 --> 02:06:42,810 more and more hit me up Adam at podcasts index.org and 1952 02:06:42,810 --> 02:06:45,660 mccurry.com If you need liquidity happy to help you out 1953 02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:47,310 people like no I don't know where to get liquidity. This is 1954 02:06:47,310 --> 02:06:50,040 what we're here for. It's all on the node it stays there for that 1955 02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:52,950 very reason. You can go to podcast index.org down at the 1956 02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:55,710 bottom there's two red donate buttons one for your on for the 1957 02:06:55,710 --> 02:06:58,560 massive amounts of unchained Bitcoin people have been wanting 1958 02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:02,430 to send us and never do. And the other one is for your Fiat fun 1959 02:07:02,430 --> 02:07:06,240 coupons for PayPal, we really appreciate all of our 1960 02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:11,880 supporters. And appreciate you Alex gates for all that you have 1961 02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:15,150 done since pretty much day one Haven't you been here from day 1962 02:07:15,150 --> 02:07:19,110 one? I forgot what When did you come into our into our orbit? 1963 02:07:19,140 --> 02:07:23,460 Alecks Gates: I was a little late. I started the episode 2021 1964 02:07:24,300 --> 02:07:28,620 Oh, really after after I sort of know genitive actually, that's 1965 02:07:28,620 --> 02:07:33,690 kind of when I wanted to make the podcast into an oil fields. 1966 02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:38,430 And that's kind of when I started with Dave was mostly 1967 02:07:38,430 --> 02:07:40,650 about the alternating closure and I fixed it 1968 02:07:43,979 --> 02:07:46,379 Adam Curry: Oh, I gotta fix it gotta fix what he's doing. 1969 02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:50,820 Dave Jones: I mean, it's most less mostly how this goes. I 1970 02:07:50,820 --> 02:07:53,760 have something than an Alex fixes pretty much the way this 1971 02:07:53,790 --> 02:07:54,870 this. We 1972 02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:56,910 Adam Curry: appreciate you very much brother for all all that 1973 02:07:56,910 --> 02:07:59,850 you're doing for for the project and for podcasting because it 1974 02:07:59,850 --> 02:08:02,400 really is you making a huge difference in the world. A lot 1975 02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,670 of people take it just take it. 1976 02:08:07,170 --> 02:08:09,210 Alecks Gates: I just want to build the apps I want to use. So 1977 02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:09,960 what's all this? 1978 02:08:11,370 --> 02:08:12,540 Dave Jones: That's how you get the best stuff. 1979 02:08:12,570 --> 02:08:15,270 Adam Curry: Sure is. Brother Dave, thank you so much. 1980 02:08:15,780 --> 02:08:20,310 Appreciate you. And thank you both for for coming to the board 1981 02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:23,220 meeting on Saturday. Thank you everyone else in the in the 1982 02:08:23,220 --> 02:08:27,390 board room for being with us. And we'll have a regular regular 1983 02:08:27,390 --> 02:08:29,910 board meeting next Friday. So please join us there. Thank you 1984 02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:30,690 so much Gent. 1985 02:08:31,349 --> 02:08:34,859 Dave Jones: Yep. Thanks, man. Happy happy. This. It's been a 1986 02:08:34,859 --> 02:08:35,399 good week. 1987 02:08:35,849 --> 02:08:37,979 Adam Curry: It hasn't been it has been a good week. Everybody. 1988 02:08:37,979 --> 02:08:40,739 Congratulations on the progress. It has been a good Yeah, 1989 02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,690 Dave Jones: I think Alex is right. I think it's valid. I 1990 02:08:42,690 --> 02:08:45,960 think I think the thing with Apple was validating for for 1991 02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:47,070 everybody in the project. 1992 02:08:47,640 --> 02:08:51,900 Adam Curry: They said they said the big boys will never come in. 1993 02:08:51,900 --> 02:08:55,470 We showed them didn't wait. See you next week on the board 1994 02:08:55,470 --> 02:08:56,760 meeting till then adios. 1995 02:09:13,229 --> 02:09:17,789 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1996 02:09:17,789 --> 02:09:24,959 index.org For more information, podcasts. Oh my gosh.