Adam Curry: McKesson 2.0 for January 12 2024, episode 163
storage power Hello everybody, welcome to podcasting 2.0 The
second, the second of the new year and man is there a lot to
talk about because this is the only boardroom that's open to
the fediverse everybody can participate. I'm Adam curry here
in the heart of the Texas Hill Country to ready to talk to you
about the namespace podcast index dot social the org It's
all here and in Alabama, the man who replies to his replies and
Miss test replies, say hello to my friend on the other end the
one and only Mr. De Jones. I
Dave Jones: hope that didn't come through to the whole world.
I hope it wasn't aggravating everybody. Oh, no, I replied to
this reply. I always
Adam Curry: have to restrain myself from saying stuff like
received ignores exactly what I want to do is I want to give you
a QCL report. You know, it's like a five by five. Oh, man. I
have set up probably the most cool thing speaking of five by
five. There's this. Yeah, no, I
Dave Jones: tried to guess what
Adam Curry: this okay. I guess go you'll never maybe is it
technology? Yes. Technology. It's big time big time
technology is starting on something on the start. No, no,
no, no, the start nine is just That's my love. My love my start
nine that's I have a love affair with my start nine. Now.
Dave Jones: I don't know. I'm not gonna get it. So I
Adam Curry: got real productive this past week because we're
doing a five day fast. And immune. You get like we're just
really focused and productive. So I cleaned up the studio, much
to my wife delight. And
Dave Jones: Syria. How what like, What day are you in of the
five day five?
Adam Curry: So we break dinner tonight. Okay,
Dave Jones: so your your you're running on like 90% ketones
right now.
Adam Curry: And, and this gigawatt coffee cold brew? Well,
yeah. That has been good. So and then I got really focused, and
I've been been feeling for a while now. It's like, I got to
get my ham radio gear set up. And I was, yeah, I was really
looking for an excuse. And I've been into digital mode for a
long time now. Because you can you can do stuff with just a
wire out the window. I mean, the minute you know, computers are
just analyzing data in the noise, right stuff you could
never hear voice. And there's this new mode called var a C var
a C. And it's it's like it's almost like, like having signal,
you know, the Apple use signal on the ham radio. And people can
leave you messages and you can relay from one rig to the other
automatically. And it's just been very enjoyable. Now
Dave Jones: is that can you tell me if this? See I haven't. I
haven't been certified ham since. Oh, gosh. 2004.
Adam Curry: Your expired? Oh, what? No, no, no. Oh, yeah. You
already 24 Yeah, you're
Dave Jones: gonna expire. Yeah. So yeah, I'm expires in the last
hour. Like this was back when packet was the thing is that?
Yeah. Is that what we're talking about? Essentially, here's,
Adam Curry: yeah, yes, we are. But it's because of the since
2004, things have gotten so good. That the compression
technology is to the point where I think the throughput they're
getting on these bands now is it's close, like 3000 baud, I
guess? 3k Almost. So you could eventually do quite a bit with
it. Yeah, you can, you know, send a little picture black and
white. I mean, it's, it's not really recommended. But it's
it's just, it's quite amazing to see. And you know, and I also
have this, I always have this kind of fatalistic, prepper
thing about me, so I feel good. Yeah, feel good to have it, you
know, good. And so people have been reaching out, it's just
cool the way it you just leave it on. And then you can act as a
relay for other people. You know, it's not so much like, Oh,
I'm, I'm in a hobby here. And I'm, and I'm looking at
everybody chatting with each other talking about their rig.
You know, you can actually have a have a little calm and you're
just typing on the keyboard. Even when you're typing in the
keyboard. You'll see the other person will see Adam is typing.
Now, so it is it's pretty so
Dave Jones: like you qualify that as like presents. Yes, yes.
Present? Yes.
Adam Curry: Good one and you could you can paying someone
just to make sure they're online. I mean, it's just it's
cool. It's cool. You should you Well, I mean, you could consider
renewing it's not that hard to get your license
Dave Jones: has started to like three times I keep running it. I
mean, the thing you got to know is focus drifts. You know,
Adam Curry: I mean, you just you go get the test. test for this
year, and it has all the answers is multiple choice. The only it
just on the test itself, the answers are out of order. So you
just have to memorize what the answer is.
Dave Jones: It's literally that simple only too hard for me.
Adam Curry: You got to know the trick. It's almost like like
getting a pilot's license. It's really a license to learn how to
fly. If I'm really honest about it. When I got my license, I was
surprised. I'm like, really? You passed me on? Wow. Okay.
Dave Jones: I feel like the fact that I originally get certified
back when that when Morse code was a requirement that that
should have grandfathered me in for life. But evidently, I
agree.
Adam Curry: And of course code is no longer a requirement.
Although I love doing code I love I was up to I was probably
up to like 12 words a minute at one point. Pretty good. I think
it's completely lapse now.
Dave Jones: I can't remember what are what the minimum was
for the novice class when I did it. What five from it, I think
was five words per minute. Yeah, yeah, cuz I think technician
technician was like 10 or 12. technician class because they
changed the classes. Like there's not as many classes now
as there used to be
Adam Curry: the technician is now the the I think that's the
lowest thing you get general. And then you get extra. Yeah,
extra. Yes. I'm in general bunny. I never went for the for
the extra. The
Dave Jones: guy that I learned from had. He was extra. And he
had he had the little double paddle.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I have that too. Yeah, sure. That Lamby
paddle.
Dave Jones: Yeah, right.
Adam Curry: Do you hold? You hold it in a does? Repeat.
Group. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Dave Jones: It's not it's not the same thing I could actually
send way faster than I could then I could
Adam Curry: interpret Oh, I got good at interpreting because
it's like music, you know, you just start to hear it. You start
to doo doo doo doo doo doo to do that CQ DX do doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo you can just Oh, I know that song. Oh, that's
what it is. That makes you do doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
that's my name. Wow, it's coming back.
Dave Jones: Is I've lost all of it. Obviously the the that that
was that was pretty fun. I mean, just everybody in because I did
that in high school. That was my head this class and the first
the first semesters is broken la two halves of the year so the
unit was called this class was called consumer electronics.
Adam Curry: Oh beautiful Hampshire that class is no
longer given. Oh,
Dave Jones: I'm sure it's gone way gone. In the first half of
the class was first half of the year was aerospace. And you just
went through all aeronautics and the way that you know flight
works and all this stuff and space travel and everything and
then the site and rocketry we built a model rocket Ah
Adam Curry: yeah, I did that as a kid. I love model rocketry.
What did you did you have a rocket.
Dave Jones: We didn't have a Worsley but we built one and
then watched it on the football field and
Adam Curry: hooked up to the car battery and you put that yeah,
explosive cartridge in there that solid fuel. And then you
and you and you did a countdown you hit the button.
Dave Jones: I mean, back when you could do things at
Adam Curry: school? Oh, yeah. No, now it'd be deemed
dangerous. Oh, we can't do that. You know, someone could get
hurt. We all get
Dave Jones: on doors back then. You remember long dark horse.
Spear your brains and
Adam Curry: everybody had one in their Shin at some point like oh
man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. Let's see. Oh, and I was
gonna say, Oh, just off the bat. I want to thank Spurlock. Oh,
no, before I forget that kilo, alpha kilo, five alpha, Charlie,
Charlie, if you want to reach me on bar, ac 20 meters, everybody.
So Spurlock upgraded op three after listening to the last
boardroom that was one of those delightful moments where I'm
just beaming from ear to ear.
Dave Jones: Uh, yeah, saw this, and I was like, Oh, you're,
you're gonna be all over this.
Adam Curry: I love it. I love it. And of course, it's just a,
it's a sample data, and I'm sure it'll get better over time. And,
you know, it spurred a very interesting conversation about
sending timestamps in the TLV records. Um, I love all this
stuff. This is good. This is really the I think you're
upgrading from stuff here, you know, just by by looking at it.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So it brought back a conversation about
batching because there's a batch spec. You know, people forget
that. Satoshi stream still around is still around live and
kicking. Yes.
Adam Curry: By the way, you guys gee, you should probably balance
our channel because I think we're filling up I checked it
the other day. If we can balance that that'd be great.
Dave Jones: And I haven't trouble before I forget image
and has so much trouble with my channel for my Umbral to podcast
index. Yeah, node. I'm still having problems and what's funny
is my channel to the boost. Bye It is seems seems fine, but it's
over Tor but my channel Maclear niche channel. Oh really podcast
indexes. It just says last line all the time it's going
Adam Curry: on at huh?
Dave Jones: It's just, it's over IP.
Adam Curry: Well I saw the start nine I've had and that is not
clear net that's Tor that's been rock solid from day one. The
Umbral, I had all kinds of problems and I was running it
over Tor, all kinds of problems and until I am this is the only
data point I have until I upgraded until my connection
here went from spectrum cable to the fiber five gigabit fiber.
Once that happened, all those problems went away on my own
bro. I've got to I'm thinking it has been clear net shouldn't
have that problem at all. That surprised? Yeah, fiber,
Dave Jones: um, fiber, and basically Ethernet out of the
Umbral straight into the fiber. I don't know I'm, I'm, I'm
afraid I'm just gonna have to rebuild this thing.
Adam Curry: But aren't you building a start nine? Well,
that's what
Dave Jones: I mean to build it as a start nine. Yeah, this
Yeah, it just had this machine, just take the node off of my
rig. You'll
Adam Curry: be so you'll be so happy if you put it on a start
nine. I mean, I'm, I mean, everyone's Results may vary due
to road and weather conditions. But man, it's been rock solid
from day one. You know, every upgrade has gone well knock on
wood. But it's just it's been it's been. I mean, they don't
upgrade the apps as quickly or or release new apps, in fact, is
very slow. And I know they're working on release four, which
will actually add clear net they have some some way of doing this
that will not involve a third party like what's the what's the
thing we use?
Dave Jones: hotelschool tail scale.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And I think so humble just released cloud. You
can use your Cloud Flare proxy or something. They just released
an app for that. So but cloud nines hold the whole idea is no
third parties, you should be able to do everything they
didn't want you to use. Let's Encrypt me like you should be
your own authority.
Dave Jones: You're your own. signer. Yeah, exactly. Why SSL
certificate? Yes.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they show you how to do it, you
know, how to how to how to make how to authenticate your own
sign off. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Obviously PKI the whole PKI infrastructure with
the with delegated Signing Authorities and that kind of
thing in SSL. I mean, in TLS world, that's all a bunch of
it's all a bunch of hogwash. Anyway, like, you know, you
can't You're always dependent on somebody else to vote to, like
vouch for you. Yeah. Oh, my sis weird paid buddy system is
Adam Curry: my thinking is that basically, Google can just spy
on all of us. Oh, yeah. For sure. That's what I've always
thought and, you know, you know, me, I've always been against
HTTPS for things that don't need it. And yeah, and we just got we
got bullied into it. You know, people like, man, it could be
man in the middle. Oh, great. Okay, so someone's going to
change the words on my blog. Alright, go ahead. I'm sure
that's just fine.
Dave Jones: Right. And, but in and then internal localhost
stuff and local and load your local land. It's like, I don't
care.
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly.
Dave Jones: So I'm looking at our I'm looking at our stats
thing, this thing that Spurlock
Adam Curry: for our show. Yeah, yeah.
Dave Jones: And this brings up I should probably
Adam Curry: explain what he did here for people who don't know
Yeah, go for Opie three dot Dev. Everybody can add the prefix so
that you get stats from Opie three dot Deb's beautiful
project. And we were talking on the last show about adding to
that the ability to get the permanent stream payments from
podcasting 2.0 value for value streaming payments, add that
data in there, so you can get kind of because I've been using
it on a contracts dot app. And I find it very enjoyable to do an
analysis of of the show how long even though it's, of course, a
small portion of all the listeners, it's it's helped me a
lot in determining where we do certain things and how people
respond to certain things. And so he's now incorporated that
into the Opie three stats dashboard, and actually gives
you a little analysis. I thought What did say that was like 60%
of the listeners listened to 90% of our show. Was that something
like that? I think?
Dave Jones: Yeah, so this is what I'm looking at. It says 75%
of listeners listened to at least 25% of an episode 60% of
listeners listened to at least half and 40% of listeners
listened to at least 90% 40 Yeah, yeah. Which which tells me
like
Adam Curry: tells me at some people need to be kicked off the
board.
Dave Jones: People if you can't show up to the board meeting and
Adam Curry: you can't stay the whole ship the whole board
meeting, then you shouldn't show up at all. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it's like that one, you know, on any board. It's
like that one or two guys that always are like, Hey, I'm gonna
be on the road. Can I call?
Adam Curry: I'm gonna call it exactly. In and then you know,
and then those guys always somehow get off mute. And then
everyone's spending their time like, hey, you know, mute to
mute. can you mute? You
Dave Jones: hear their radio and all this stuff? Yes. Road noise.
Yeah, hot mic. So this, but this is back. So I listened to a
little bit of pod news weekly review. Morning.
Adam Curry: I didn't get any of it this morning. I was I was
okay. In the word in the word this morning.
Dave Jones: The so they were Sam asks this simple question that
we've pondered on this show. Do people actually want real stats?
Real podcasts? Tesla? No.
Adam Curry: I don't think so. No, of course not. that would
that would it would it would devastate people?
Dave Jones: Yeah. And this is why because this show this this
on this? These? Now? These are people? Who are these are the
most dedicated people? I was Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because these are
people streaming sets to our show. I mean, like, sending
value. Yes, there's this intentional. They're the people
who are going to they're the early adopters. They're the
geeks. They're the most techy, and they even they, in that
audience, only 40% of those people listen to the whole show.
Yeah. So like, if you're if you're a normal podcaster and
you and you start looking at actual listening statistics, is
you're just gonna get sad. Well, just gonna be sad. Unless
Adam Curry: you're unless you've been doing it for a long time
like me and you know, the reality of things, you'd be
really fooling yourself into thinking that people listen to
the to the whole show. It I find it very helpful, because I like
to look at not so much because there's always a drop off,
there's always going to be a slope down to the bottom at the
end of every podcast. I like seeing people come back for
donation segments. And that tells me that people who
probably donated want to hear it. But it also tells you that
not everybody hears the ask which is important. No agenda,
we have the end of show mixes and the people come back for
that. And so you can see it and people are bopping around people
use chapters, you know, to skip a segment. I would love to see
pod news of the daily pod news. I bet you people listen to all
of pod news. It'll slope for sure. But I'll bet you the
people that because what, three, four minutes, I bet you they
listen all the way through. Just thinking yeah, although once
that, once that end, music starts to tune, which is the
sponsor. This is brought to you by Hindenburg. I'm like okay,
click. Now now, I have Hindenburg. I'm no longer a
potential client. I have Hindenburg.
Dave Jones: Now, I am glad that you on that front. I'm glad that
you shamed me into upping my per minute stream to pot news weekly
review because the DNC now I found myself bopping around in
that show like I'm not, I'm just not interested enough in in the
podcast industrial complex complex to listen to like a 30
minute interview with, you know, some media buyer. So I will just
I will literally just get that interview here. And I feel bad
because I'm like, I don't you know, I don't even
Adam Curry: send a boost send the boost later if you feel but
here's something interesting that I noticed. I did a boosted
Graham ball last Saturday was good to do what I love I love
doing that so much. It's just mean my schedule is just so full
with things. And I don't want to just do a show I want to think
about I want to you know listen to other value for value music,
podcasts, listen to other people are talking about and other
songs. You know, I really I really care about this. It is
the eighth eighth highlight of the week for me if I get to do
it on a weekly basis. And so this guy that I met in Houston
at a podcast conference, Alan C. Paul, he donated we talked about
him in fact, we played a little bit of his music right on did we
play a little bit of his music? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. And I
did I put that into a value time split. Let me just check for a
second. A horrible feeling. I didn't let me see. I didn't but
I played him on boosted Graham ball. I played the whole thing.
It's six minutes long. And so I look at the podcasting 2.0 Top
today it's the top 95 And we're dropping and and all week long.
On his song Not far away has been at the top. And then I
realized, the way we compile this chart is based upon payment
events, booster grams and streams. Well, of course, he's
going to get twice as many if people listen to the whole song,
then Jimmy V, who's right under him at number two, who song is
three minutes and 20 seconds long. Right? So I'm just saying
there's a skew there that we might want to wait for, as in
WEHG, gh t. Does that make sense? Because not, the longer
the longer your song, the more minutes streaming payments per
minute, you're going to get up?
Dave Jones: Oh, so you're to my ear to my song length? Yes. Song
Adam Curry: length. Exactly. Well, interesting.
Dave Jones: It's just how would I get that?
Adam Curry: I don't know how. I don't know that. That's I mean,
hey, I'm just the idea. Oh,
Dave Jones: yeah. Everybody hates the idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
So okay, well, that's that shouldn't actually shouldn't be
too hard. Because then if you look, yeah, the value time
split, you just look at the start time in the in the
duration in or not even start out, you should look at the
duration of the value times but how long it lasts, and this sort
of like, divide it to get an average,
Adam Curry: maybe, maybe that's the way to do it. Just like
that, it just seems like I just I was I was like, wow, people.
It's a great song. Don't get me wrong. I mean it question
Dave Jones: number two is will Dave ever do this? No, of course
not.
Adam Curry: Of course not. Why even bother with question number
two, but just move straight to three, which is C one. Okay,
maybe
Dave Jones: we will know what we'll do. We'll talk about this
17 shows from now not remember, we talked about it. Before
Adam Curry: we bring our guests in, I'd love to get a little
update on your favorite vacation status of the index. And I'll
preface that by saying that I've had incredible difficulty.
Dave Jones: I want to thank you don't like to hear this. This is
not I'm just
Adam Curry: doing it wrong, no doubt. So what I started doing
the minute you had this in place before it was was still the
alpha alpha code, of course, I would go to podcast index dot
social. When I'd publish, I always put I always go back, I
publish. And then I put the base URL in the base posts for cross
snap comments, even though it's barely used, I still I'm holding
on to it. And then I would click on that post, and then copy the
link and put it in as the root posts of the crossover app
comments. And I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, because either
people would click a was not a link for some reason on some,
when I posted that, it just wouldn't work. I mean, even that
link itself, it's not a direct link to that post unless you're
logged into I guess a mastodon server is very confusing. I just
wanted that to be the route post that I can also send people to
and say, Oh, here's the here's, here's the show. You can you can
use that link on any activity probe the application to comment
on it, but that link is, is not good. Does this make sense? What
I'm saying?
Dave Jones: It does. So here there's just like, so you're
what you have always done if I'm not mistaken is that you have
taken your posts if you've taken my post, yeah, because that
exists before the show was published. Yeah. In the feed. So
you need you need like otherwise you'd have to you'd have to
publish this show then go back and change it
Adam Curry: which I do for no agenda and all my other shows.
Oh, you do? Yeah, I put I put it in his empty and the minute it's
empty then. Or sometimes I just post the link on Mastodon I
mean, I do that with chapters although I put in a dummy
chapter and, and transcript. So I go back and then it's not been
a problem. No one's ever complained about it. But the
link I got was podcast index dot social slash at 9200666 at a P
dot podcast index.org/ 11166566598800577 And
that did not work that's what I thought it will not it didn't
work. So not sure what link I should be using and I've tried
just doing you know, the removing the podcast app, just
none of it worked. I I wound up just making it worse
Dave Jones: as a plugin, isn't it. So So for example, get the
feet trying to look at the feed to see what the URL for the last
one was because this is the last one it doesn't go ahead. It
doesn't make any sense to me, because it should work. So if
you before or the way that the see the way that the way that I
thought it
Adam Curry: was? That seems to work now
Dave Jones: doesn't Oh, how are you verifying this? I
Adam Curry: just copied and pasted the link into my browser.
But I wonder him because but it's a podcast index dot social
link I don't know if you can see those if you're not logged in
Dave Jones: what I mean those, that's what I posted. That's
what I've posted before and this always worked. It's just a
podcast index. Well, okay, so here's the what may be happening
here is I've been working on replies all week. Okay, we
noticed and thank you. I've been working on replies all week. And
there was no reply capability within the bridge before. And
well, I mean, there really still isn't. So the I mean, the
endpoints just didn't function. The way replies work bite size.
Adam Curry: Let me give you a data point stop. I'm sorry to
stop you. All right. I logged out of podcasting. Next out
social. And then I posted that link. And then I got what
everybody got, which was a page of JSON.
Dave Jones: Okay, so let me try that. And
Adam Curry: I believe that is because if you're not logged
into a mastodon server, that's what you get.
Dave Jones: Okay, so let me log out of podcasts index dot
social, because I'm gonna have to do the logout. Alright, now
let me paste in. And we're talking about the podcasting,
desktop social at nine to 666. Add blah, blah, blah. And the
number. Yeah, okay. I hit that. Yeah. Okay.
Adam Curry: Which is probably correct. It's probably correct.
I'm saying yes.
Dave Jones: Okay. Well, here's what, here's what's happening.
Yes. Okay, this, this will be solved when I get the required.
Adam Curry: I needed to hear maybe we don't even have to talk
about it.
Dave Jones: This is so just for clarity. What's happening here
is that when you're not logged in, Mastodon appears to forward
you to the referenced
Adam Curry: Yes. Referenced post seeing that. Yep. And
Dave Jones: then you can see there's replies at the bottom is
no. Right. Okay. It's and that's why that's why it's not work.
Can I
Adam Curry: ask you one other question? Just while I'm, while
I'm at it. Yeah. For the for the cross that comments, I have to
add parameters, platform, and Platform account ID and then
account URL for this platform. Do I doesn't matter what I put
in there?
Dave Jones: I'm not sure that it matters at this point. Okay. I
mean, it would you want it to be accurate, but I don't know that.
But what do I want it
Adam Curry: to be? Well, right now I have Dave and then your,
your account your URL, slash user slash Dave. Yeah,
Dave Jones: obviously, that's not that's not actually true in
this regard. Because, um, exactly, it's not my account
that posted this, this thing that you're referencing,
exactly. It's the account is 9200666 at AP dot podcast.
index.org. That's got it. That's the account.
Adam Curry: Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay.
Dave Jones: But just so what I've been doing this week is
trying to get a reply. Like I don't want this thing to become
a general purpose AP server agreed. Right? You know, that's
not in any that's not in any way valuable to us. This this but
you do need it to track replies. To the extent that it can handle
them back in a case like this. So that when people reply to
things you can see the replies when you pull when you when you
go to the episode. And so a lot of this week I've been trying
I've just been posting stuff and watching things, watching the
JSON that comes through on the bridge when replies get post get
posted. So there's there's multiple so like this, think
think through the scenario with me for a second. You have you
have a new episode gets posted. The bridge then posts it to
followers, servers, it shows up in their timeline, then somebody
replies, right. Okay, that reply on their activity pub server,
then triggers a Create Event to the shared inbox URL of the
bridge. All right, so you have a Create Event that gets posted.
And attached to that create event is an object, which is
just a big blob of JSON with all the details of the post. And the
object is of type note. So it's a creates a note object, and
sends that to the shared URL of the AP bridge. The AP, so the
first, the first reply is, is always going to be to the root
post, essentially, to that EP to that episode, right? On the
bridge, that then gives you something that's attached to
that called a, a conversation tag. So then, the here in this,
I'm telling you what I've sort of settled on because, because
here's, here's the next scenario, you reply. Then I
reply to your reply, not to the original post. Corral, you say
something, then I'm replying to you. Right. And it's really part
of the same thread. But but then
Adam Curry: we move it over to the other person's Mastodon
instance. Yeah, right.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. So like, if you're Yeah, if you're on
your on your on your instance, I'm on my instance, we both get
a copy of the note that was created when the bridge sent out
the episode. You reply to, to that episode, on your activity
post server, my caught my server and the bridge both get a Create
Event. And we record that reply. Right, then I see that on my
server, I see your reply show up underneath the episode post. And
then I reply, not to the episode post, but to your reply. Now,
that create event with the note object attached goes to the
bridge and to your the shared inbox of your server. But now it
no longer has a it no longer has a a reference to the original
post, where I can extract the podcast ID and the episode Gu ID
from it. So I can't associate it directly back to that post. So
the best we can do is look for this conversation property.
Right that
Adam Curry: Yes. Okay, that makes sense why I wasn't seeing
all the comments before. Right.
Dave Jones: So the conversation property is like this long
string, like in this regard, and like what I'm looking at right
now is like tag, colon, AP dot podcast, index.org, comma, the
date, object ID, blah, blah, blah, objects, it's got this
long string. And that should be unique for this entire message
thread. So what what I'm doing now is, is the first post that
comes back in the first reply that comes back and I'm
extracting the podcast ID and the episode Gu ID sticking that
in the replies table with the conversation tag string attached
to it. When another reply comes in, if it doesn't have an
extractable podcast, index ID and episode GUID, extract the
conversation tag out of that create request and look for
another reply in the table that has that same conversation tag.
If a finds one, it then associates it back to that
thread. So that now then that so that's all done. So now the next
step of this is the part I'm about to start today. Tonight,
we'll be now returned now collecting those replies and
returning them in the replies property that you see is now
null. So step two will be a populating that reply property
of, of the of the post object with all the replies that is
collected.
Adam Curry: Dave, you had me at big blob of JSON?
Dave Jones: It will, there is so much JSON going on with the
negativity but it just makes your eyes cross. Like it really
does. All those replies and replies to replies and replies
to replies to replies that that's really like, what I'm
doing. Every time I do that is take that take the JSON out,
stick it in a sticking into an editor, and then do another one,
stick it in an editor and then just start making comparisons
between how are these things different wow. Oh, it just makes
it it'll make your head spin. Well, it's
Adam Curry: appreciated brother you're doing. You're doing the
Lord's work here. That's a lot of messy stuff, shall we? Bring
our guests in. Oh, he's Sure absolutely. New to the to the
boardroom. We're very happy to have him here. Particularly
because He has created a, I'll just say a podcasting 2.0 native
hosting company. He is the founder, CEO, lead developer and
Customer Success representative of pod home.fm. Say hello to our
friend on the other end. Here's Barry live brass.
Unknown: Hey, hello. Excellent pronunciation. Yes,
Adam Curry: but do you go by Barry or buddy?
Unknown: That bear? Well, buddy in Dutch. You know? It's easy
because it works in both languages, right? Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's so it's uncanny how much you sound like Mark
void zero. Oops. That he just I think I think let me see if I
can restore him. Sorry about sorry about that. Barry. Oh,
that was my mistake. I messed that up.
Dave Jones: I was gonna say I'm sorry. I just can't I have no
hope of pronouncing your last name.
Unknown: I mean, it's just It's fine. Don't try.
Adam Curry: What's interesting is, you know, void Do you know
you know, void zero? Do you avoid zero mark? Who does a the
no agenda infrastructure? No,
Unknown: I have no idea. You should
Adam Curry: meet him because you sound like brothers. It's
uncanny how much you sound like it really is. Yeah. So you're in
the in the Netherlands. Where are you in the Netherlands?
Unknown: I'm in Breda. So that's, that's in the south of
the Netherlands. Yeah, doesn't matter. It's cold cold here.
Everywhere.
Adam Curry: is purple. is Purple Rain still there. Purple Rain.
When you talk there was a coffee shop.
Unknown: Oh, right. Yes, that is.
Adam Curry: You see my coffee shop man. When I was in Belgium.
I drive up to Purple Rain and stock up.
Dave Jones: Yeah. rural area or is this city or
Adam Curry: city? No, it's just a big city. Yeah. It's a real
nice actually a beautiful city. It is.
Unknown: Yeah. And you know, coffee shops here are
everywhere. So it's, it's not rare. Not special at all.
Adam Curry: Right? I just I just love going there because it was
run by a bunch of Moroccan dudes. And whenever it was
Songkran, then I'd come late in the day. And I'd start up and
like, hey, why don't you stay because they'd have the you
know, after sundown than they have. Then all these dudes start
cooking, which is amazing food they make it was. So first she
smokes and we even like, Hey, man is good food.
Dave Jones: That's right. These are these are Dutch coffee
shops, which are different than
Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I should have clarified. Yes. You can't
actually get coffee in the coffee shops. Yeah.
Unknown: No, that's a different store. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So Barry, give us your background and how you came
into podcasting. 2.0 Yeah,
Unknown: so I My background is in software development. Like a
lot of people listening here as well. So, you know, I started
out, when I went to school, I actually started out, you know,
working on electricity, as a technical engineer. And then I
thought, you know, what, these computers are also pretty cool.
I mean, you know, tinker with that stuff. So I went in into
software development, didn't learn it in school, because you
know, school, right, it kind of sucks. So I did that on my own
whilst I was in school, because when you are in school, you have
lots of time. There's a long time ago. And then I started out
as a software engineer back in the day, all in Microsoft stack.
Because, you know, that was just what I was used to, I
Dave Jones: grew up on when when when 32 or C Sharp
Unknown: 32 first, and then dotnet came out, but dotnet 1.0
and 1.1 revolutionary and didn't work at all. And
Adam Curry: that's a big thing that has to load for some of our
applications, right? It's like, loading dotnet framework.
Dave Jones: With nowadays, it was so beautiful. It just worked
everywhere.
Unknown: Yeah, you know, dotnet still as a as a bad rap, because
it is, you know, Microsoft and slow and windows and all that
type stuff. But it's very, very modern. So you know, it's been
around for decades now. And they kept it pretty modern. And it's
very, very, very fast, very performance. So I kept on doing
that, as a software developer, always loved it. When I you
know, you type something on the screen, you press a couple
buttons, something compiles and then hopefully, you know,
something happens on the screen and a user has a button to push.
And that's that's just magic to me. And I am sure that a lot of
listeners will recognize that as well. So I keep on doing that.
And for the longest time that I can remember, I've been learning
through podcasts as well, for software development, technology
stuff, health stuff, and conspiracies to news.
Adam Curry: You're talking about language rather.
Unknown: Ain't no agenda. I love it. It keeps me sane. But I
think podcasts are incredibly valuable because Even now, with
all the censorship going on, this is kind of a last final
medium that is uncensored ish, you know, you're bright. So you
can kind of say what you want on a podcast. So you can also learn
what you want on a podcast. And you can hear from all the voices
out there, left, right, center, Uptown, whatever, everybody can
can speak their minds, and everybody can tune into what
they like, right. And that is still the case. And, you know,
it will probably not be the case, in the future on the
platforms. So Apple, Spotify, all these, the industry, or
whatever you call it, they will censor more and more. But with
this initiative, obviously, podcasting 2.0 We can keep this
free and free speech. Yes. And that is very, very important.
Because podcasts, I use it to learn, I use it to be inspired,
I use it to. Yeah, just just in general, it's just such a part
of my life. And I think that everybody that listens to
podcasts probably has the same, right. So you bake these things
in, like usually on a Saturday morning, I would listen to this
show. Now I have some time off, because I already listened to
it. But it becomes just part of your routine. And it's very,
very important that we keep this format alive. And so last year,
I had kind of a crossroads where I could do you know more
courses, because I create online courses about Microsoft Azure,
HTML, all sorts of things. And that's kind of how I make my
money nowadays. But I really don't like doing that. Or I
could create something valuable, that could help the thing that I
love, which is podcasting. I also create a couple of podcasts
myself, and I know how difficult that can be how much work that
can be to create lots of cool metadata around it so that
people can enjoy it, like chapters, transcripts, you know,
a good title to identify the people, all that type of stuff,
Adam Curry: you know that that's so important. I think Dave would
probably attest to that once he became a podcaster. himself. It
changed his thinking about development for the platform for
the for the whole ecosystem.
Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, totally. It did.
Yeah, you don't really see. Because, you know, I think I've
mentioned this before, back with freedom controller with Adam
shownotes. And that kind of think, I just always
misunderstood what he needed, and what the workflow was,
because I just wasn't there. I wasn't in it. If you're not, you
know, it's, it's so easy to come in from the outside and say, Oh,
well, you know, this, just do this, and this, and this, and
this will then, you know, the, the most valuable part of of
podcasting 2.0 project has been since the beginning. The podcast
hosting companies telling us, you know, this, you hear your
misunderstanding this, or this is not the way this thing works,
or this is not super, you know, like this is not important, like
that kind of feedback, because we're not hosting companies were
Adam Curry: critical, critical. I had a lot of misconceptions
myself. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah. It just is, is important. And now like, I'm
sure, Barry, now that you're running a host, you've found out
a lot of stuff you probably didn't know before.
Unknown: Yeah, absolutely. So you know, customers use us in
various ways. And they have lots of tools in the workflow, like
people use the script, or stream yard or all sorts of things that
they want to plug into their workflow and make make it work
with Pulte Homes somehow. So I continue to innovate every day.
And that's relatively easy is still because I am Greenfield, I
don't really have a lot of technical debt. So I can do
that. But yeah, so so the main purpose of both home is to make
it as easy as possible for podcasters to upload their
stuff, and then create a full blown episodes that listeners
can enjoy with all the bells and whistles and modern features
like transcripts, chapters, people, clips, show notes,
title, all that type of stuff. And that's what it does. And the
other thing is that it is unlimited, because I previously
also hosted with Lipson, for instance. And I wanted to talk
badly about Lipson, but one of the things that most hosts run
into is limitations with storage and bandwidth, right? Things
just costs money. So I wanted to just take that away for
podcasters they don't need to know all that. So at bottom you
can just host whatever you want. You can host 1000 shows if you
have 1000 shows with a million episodes, unlimited uploads and
also unlimited downloads. And that all for one price. Now
Adam Curry: I gotta stop you there brother. I need to
understand this because you know Lipson was very early in the
game. I think they were probably the first full blown hosting
company, and I never understood how they did it. I've never
understood how they could offer what they did for the pricing
that they did. Because at the time, I foolishly had started a
podcast network, but had a lot of money from investors. So I
was like, Oh, it doesn't matter. And I never really understood
that side of the business. And when I hear Todd from blueberry
talking about his, you know, 10s of 1000s of dollars a month. I
mean, you what you just said, if I showed up with no agenda,
would that still be the case for you? I mean, I could still do
that for for one low price. How do you do that?
Unknown: Yeah, for 5099. Come on over. So I'm gonna give give
away my secret. Now.
Adam Curry: You don't have to if you don't if that's if that's a
trade secret, that's okay. No, no, you don't have to. If
Unknown: if you can google bing, bing it or whatever. good search
engine, you use
Adam Curry: Cagayan kagi.com.
Unknown: That's a good one DuckDuckGo, I use, but I use
Cloudflare. So a lot of people use Cloudflare. And I use
Cloudflare are two buckets, which is kind of like Amazon,
AWS, s3 buckets that has just a bucket that contains data, like
episode data in this case. And the fun thing about our two and
they haven't been doing this for long is that you do not pay for
egress data. So data going out of the data center, we just pay
a low storage fee and storage.
Adam Curry: That's what Linode did until they didn't. Yeah,
isn't that?
Dave Jones: No, you're talking about?
Adam Curry: Oh, no, not really. No, but what's the other one was
Wasabi? Wasabi? Right? Yeah,
Dave Jones: no egress fees. But then, as soon as you get over a
certain amount of gigabits of egress per month, you get a
phone call. And they the phone call is we don't like you
anymore. Yeah.
Adam Curry: That was the phone call or upgrade
Dave Jones: to our undocumented Pro Plan. Where we allow you
lots of egress, and you pay us for it.
Unknown: Yeah, well, then still is if there, if that is the
case, and I don't believe that is the case, then still, there
will be a free base, you know, like an amount of free egress
that you can use every month, right? And then it will still be
fine. But that really is a game changer. Because egress is can
be extremely expensive. If you do that with a traditional thing
like Azure, or AWS, this is a killer. This
Adam Curry: is just some history. The no agenda, RSS feed
has members putting a lot more information there are put
forward still has a lot in there. I'm trying to think. I
mean, I was putting full show notes in there all kinds of
stuff. Anyway, Dave has always managed all of my all of my
stuff. Because at the time the feeds were being created by the
freedom controller, which is now a sovereign feeds. And and my s3
Bill, what was it Dave like 700 800 bucks a month it was
going crazy. And dad over 1500 At one point, yeah. And the day
is like none, and we got to change this. And then I think
that's when you moved. And also because all of the I put all the
clips out there and everything. And so all of that was being
being sucked out by people. And it was just becoming incredibly
expensive. And then we went to wasabi. And that worked for a
while until we got that phone call. It's like, no, no, no, you
can't. And then I think Dave, you set it up through Linode and
CloudFlare, I believe, right?
Dave Jones: Yes, if what, what we're doing right now is Lint is
yes, lint is Cloudflare in front of Linode. And so the the Linode
thing as you can get with every VM, you get a certain amount of
x of egress. So they're and they're very generous with their
egress. So we set up I set up a VM, a decent size VM on Linode
with running Mineo or Minaya so it's basically self hosted Buck
s3 buckets. And then we use the egress that the VM comes with,
to basically out to cover what's going to Cloudflare and then let
go. I think, you know, I think the benefit that you're running
into with Cloudflare there is that they're still sort of in I
wouldn't say growth mode, but they're trying to take market
share from AWS and that kind of thing. So they're going to
they're going to allow you to hurt him a little bit before you
know that you're going to have to get really really aggressive
before they give you a phone call. You know you're probably
you're probably going to have a long runway before you get that
bad phone call.
Adam Curry: And it's worth it's worth talking to to avoid zero
because He set us up a long time ago on ova H and I'm not sure
exactly how he did it, but we have three or four different
servers and if And colos that that are on the OVA H Network.
And we've been paying, I think it's, I mean, it's five $600 a
month for the longest time. And we've been added, you know, big
secret, but all of the IPFS stuff is basically all running
off off with the no agenda infrastructure, because that's
the gateway. But for some reason that works. And you know, so
just for the future, because I'd hate for I love the marketing. I
love the marketing of don't worry about all that unlimited.
Come on in, you're paying for the tools you're paying for the
service. I love that. Just I would I would like to protect
you for your future upside.
Unknown: Yeah, no, definitely. And I do have backup plans as
well, if this doesn't work, because I do not want to be, you
know, tied to just one single point of failure. Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah, the same as with the whole AI thing. Like I have this
brought home AI, that's the thing that does it
automatically, right, it creates transcripts, or you can
Adam Curry: explain that, cuz you graciously gave us accounts.
Now be honest, I have not taken advantage of that to look at it
can be so as a podcast, you come in, you upload your show how
much is automatically created on pod home? Yeah,
Unknown: so you hit the big new episode button, you upload your
audio and you flip the switch, hey, I want to use port home AI.
You know, that's a catchy name, because everything is AI, right?
And then you can say, Well, what do I want? I want transcripts. I
want chapters. I want a title ideas and a description. So show
notes. I want to detect people and try and generate some clips
for me as well. Some interesting outtakes, in the form of sound
bites. So it goes and it does that. Wait a couple of services
in the background next couple of minutes for for an hour of
audio. And then it suggests all of that to you. It says, Hey, we
came up with these five titles. What do you think pick one? And
this is? Show Notes. What do you think you can change it? Of
course. And these are chapters. And these are the people that we
think are in this episodes, you can confirm that if you like,
and here are some clips as well. And those clips are like I said,
they will they are included in the feed as sound bites. And I
now also included a feature per client sites, you can say right?
From this clip, can you just generate a little video clip as
well, with the show artwork or episode artwork or artwork that
you upload yourself? Does it do artwork as well, I do not
generate artwork now. And don't do that. Because that is very
difficult. I've been using AI this week to generate some
images for a new feature that I'm creating. And it's really
bad as it sucks. But you see these videos online with people
that are using a mid journey or dolly or whatever it's
pronounced. And it all looks amazing, right? Like, oh, wow,
that's amazing. I want because I'm building a feature now for
podcasters. So that they can get achievements and rewards. So you
know, when you upload something you get, I don't know, let's say
50 experience points. And that adds up to a level. And with
each level you reach, you get something like a discount or a
kooberi
Adam Curry: gamifying the whole gamifying the hosting business.
I like that
Unknown: fun because it's difficult to be a podcaster and
to keep it up right. So you need some encouragement. Yeah. And I
want to add some real value to that as well. Like, you know,
actual discounts to to your monthly bill, for instance. But
yeah, anyway, so I was trying to generate these badges like, hey,
create a round thing for me that says, great podcast or
something. And he kept getting it wrong. You just cannot do it.
Yes. So
Dave Jones: that's so very, I saw that you I saw that you have
on your trial sign up. Do you have a requirement to put in a
credit card? Is that intentional to keep the spammers out?
Unknown: Yeah, definitely. And use also for my internal
workflow as well. Yeah.
Dave Jones: So because that's a huge problem is such a huge
problem with free trials. You know, that, you know, I know
that rss.com and Buzzsprout. And I know that they've, they've
really just struggled with almost a struggle. I mean, they
they deal with it, but like it's just constant battle with these,
with these spammers that are always trying to game those free
trials. I think they have this stuff in place. They have bigger
teams, you know, they have a big team that can handle something
like that, but with a with a small one man operation like you
have. I mean, I think it would be overwhelming to try to deal
with something like that.
Unknown: Yeah, I think I cater to a different audience as well.
So I can cater to people that really want want to create
something of quality, right. So they are probably more willing
to, to pay up the 5099 per month for unlimited podcasting. And I
get it, you know, like Buzzsprout, for instance, you
sign up for free, you can have a free podcast, if you like, until
you run into a threshold or something, you can just just
have that there. But you know, that will just create lots of
junk. And I don't want to, I'm
Adam Curry: impressed actually, you have a very unique
combination of technical skills, obviously, but your marketing
and your I really enjoy, you know, just looking at the at the
site, and, you know, you have a separate path for, for artists
for value for value music. It's just, that's the unique
combination, I would say usually, even in startups,
you'll see two guys, right? You see a technical guy and the
marketing guy, Amin, and you seem to be both in one where's
that come from?
Unknown: Which is I don't know, I've, I've been doing online
courses and stuff for a decade now. Which means, you know,
talking to a microphone and creating materials, like slides
and pictures and stuff to explain things or basically
explaining things in in image and in words, that perhaps it
comes from there. And through that, I also needed to market
myself, of course, in that world, as I call myself as your
Berry, you know, just to make it easy so that I don't have to use
my last name. But but but really, I'm not good at
marketing. I'm okay at creating these materials, but the
marketing itself like on social media stuff I hate and I, right.
Oh,
Adam Curry: yeah. When I when I say marketing, I mean, just the
website and all that stuff. The onboarding path, those are all
good. I mean, you got that down. I think that's, that's really
impressive.
Dave Jones: Yeah, what mediums do you support very, is it just
podcasting in podcasts and music right now? Or do you have other
like audiobooks and that kind of
Unknown: thing? Podcasts? Well, everything that's currently
supported in the index are in the space. So that's podcast,
music, audio book. And I also added course, because I have a
couple of courses that I just want to upload there as well.
Although it's no official thing. And I don't think any apps are
actually using it, but at least it's you know, semantically then
it's correct.
Adam Curry: One of the big things I found Well, the two
main things that people choose podcast hosts are, the two
criteria they choose it for is a customer service, which you
know, obviously you're small, you're one guy, so this is going
to be stellar, above and beyond, I'm sure. And the second one is
statistics, which is, you know, a current topic that we've been
talking about, how do you handle that?
Unknown: So statistics? Well, first of all, I am never going
to get IAB certified and not because I'm not doing it.
Dave Jones: You wouldn't nobody else.
Unknown: Probably, I just don't want to, I'm not going to pay
that fee. I think that's ridiculous.
Dave Jones: Well, you're what I'm saying is like, you're not
you're not alone. Now nobody's paying the fee. Everybody's
bailing?
Unknown: I think, yeah, I think it's helpful to have something
that everybody uses kind of the same way to measure it. Right?
That's helpful. But still, it's very difficult. Because first of
all, these things are just not downloads, and any information
that you get from a request is just not very reliable, you
know, IP addresses, where did they come from? Who knows? I use
a VPN all the time I switch countries all the time. I have
devices that run on IP six that change their IP address quickly.
So it's very difficult to actually know what's going on,
let alone to determine did you actually listen to this thing?
Or was it a download was an automatic download? Was it
something else? Was it actually the same guy that listened to
this episode, and continue to listen to it within this same 24
or 48 hours? So I do a lot of filtering. And I probably filter
a bit too much. So I do use the IAB methods that they recommends
within their guidelines. And I also use the how to pronounce
that oh, oh, walk out walk the John Spurlock stuff. To filter
Yeah. And to determine which apps and which which things
match the user agents which is brilliant by the way. So I my
stuff is pretty accurate. But what I really like is Opie tree.
I think that's brilliant. Because, you know John has is
doing that, like almost full time, it seems, and always
making it better. And it's it just looks very clean.
Dave Jones: I you have that as an option in your dashcam for
mp3.
Unknown: Well, not in the dashboards, but you can just,
you know, in your show settings, you can just check a box, and
then I add to Opie tree, a prepayment to your, to your URLs
for your episodes, and then automatically all your data also
shows up in there. So that's very easy to do. And lots of
customers actually do that as well, which is very good. Good
to see. But yeah,
Dave Jones: you know, think I'm glad that the IB stuff, honestly
is is I mean, I don't wish it on anybody. But I'm just I'm glad
that that is beginning to crumble. Show cracks? Because
shouldn't be honest. I mean, shouldn't that shouldn't the
entire IB spec, just be a GitHub repo? Yeah. Why are we why are
we do they mean was this? It was
Adam Curry: not just the one time fee? It's an ongoing
percentage.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. The whole thing just seems like
completely unnecessary.
Adam Curry: They have they have to fund the certification
process, which requires someone diving into a company's logs.
And yeah, you know, that's, that's what it is. And the
business model is Nielsen. You know, you pay Nielsen to be to
get Nielsen ratings. What was the other one the online? The
online system everybody was using for a while for blogs and
everything? Oh, my God, I can't remember. Yeah,
Dave Jones: no, no, like this, you know that that whole system
is based on the fact that airwaves in spectrum is
inaccessible to any to, to everybody without, without going
through a government auction to purchase is, it's basically the,
the, the barrier to entry into the market of cable and
broadcast television is, is too high, and nobody can do it. So
but when you're when you have an internet based system, then you
have, you can have a huge company like Buzzsprout, and
rss.com, and blueberry. And then you can have, on the other end
of that come in a company like pod home and an RSS blue. And
there's no there's no reason for, like, there's no reason to
have this sort of opaque certification process that
happens where people just wait around for some auditing group
to go in and certify your algorithms when, when really
what will happen is that that stuff gets self audited. By just
looking at the at the numbers, it's like, okay, well, I can,
you can easily compare between a show I have over here in a show
I have over here. And I've got have bought some advertising on
this network and a lot of advertising on this network. And
these numbers don't make any sense. You know, this doesn't
match up. So like some there's some funny business going on
here. Like I just don't see that there's a need like there is
with like broadcast television, and radio.
Unknown: No, I totally agree. And, like you say the proof is
in the pudding. So the customers will figure it out by themselves
as well and can now also compare to OB tree, for instance, and
then easily see if it's, if it's correct or not. This
Adam Curry: kind of brings us back to what what you were
talking about earlier with Sam Seth, he was asking on, on pod
news weekly review. Once the Nielsen ratings really went to
actual data. So it used to be diary based, you know, you fill
out a diary, what you listen to, and you'd have Nielsen homes,
there's a great movie about that, by the way where the mob.
The mob produces a television show. And then they send all of
their mobsters to all these Nielsen homes. And they're all
sitting there with guns to the people's heads, like you got to
fill out our show. And so they became the number one TV show,
which of course, actually made them the number one TV show. But
once they moved to actual data from cable boxes, which is, you
know, it's spying on you all the time. And it's so low, that now
particularly with big live events, they don't even do
overnight ratings anymore. You can't get the ratings than it
used to be able to get up at seven in the morning, and have
the ratings and know exactly how well your show had done. That's
now moved to several days later than they have ratings plus one
day plus two days plus three days for, for reporting for
people who are using DVRs which, you know, of course also doesn't
take into account for the advertisers that this is
important for that their ads are being skipped. I mean, it's a
mess. It really isn't and people don't really want to know
because it turns out it's much lower. Yeah,
Dave Jones: you don't you don't want to see the real numbers
like it because they're depressing and even for big
shows the number the numbers are not what you think they are
answered in the IB. Like if my big issue is that the IB can say
they can they can create all the standardized metric standard
standardized algorithms they want. But when all of a sudden
one app makes a change, and everything goes down by 20%, it
shows you that the whole thing is built on. On garbage. Yeah,
Adam Curry: that was that was kind of unfortunate event. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I mean, like, it's something happens. It's not even
the 20. No, everything's down 20 24%. Across the
Adam Curry: board. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Be careful,
because you don't want the wrath of Todd. That That didn't happen
to blueberry. Okay. Their stats are superior, which I don't
doubt which I don't doubt will
Dave Jones: if everybody's a be certified. If everybody's I'd be
certified in an every host is going bound down by Weird,
radically different amounts, then this all silly. I mean, the
whole thing's goofy. It should just the download the algorithm
algorithms for measuring stairs should just be a GitHub repo
with a bunch of interested people there who are don't who
are who have the interest to get to donate their own time to get
this to happen. That's all that's all should be. There
should be no organization behind this
Adam Curry: dream on brother. Dream will never happen. That
Dave Jones: will happen. It absolutely I disagree. It will
happen. But it's as it's happening right now. Nobody's
renewing. Renewing everybody will just
Adam Curry: take that over to be a GitHub repo. Take that back. I
take that back.
Dave Jones: Yeah. I think everybody's tired of it. Well,
Adam Curry: I'd love op three, op three makes me happy. Give me
a night. I never looked at stats, all I cared about is can
I pay the rent. And now it's interesting to know, just for
me, Okay, I'm getting this many people who are supporting with
value for value, the treasure part because a lot of people
support with time and talent, which is absolutely equatable to
money. And so I can see that percentage, that's important to
me. And it doesn't matter how accurate the number is, it's the
number as long as the numbers consistent, and now having the
timestamps in there. Now, it's interesting. Now I can use it
from a programming standpoint, I can make decisions about what
I'm doing in the show itself. And, and this is the one thing
that I've always felt with value for value streaming payments,
there is a huge reward. For me as when Tina and I started our
podcast, covering the keeper.com. We started up she
gets mad at me if I know promoted, we started our
podcast. We started from zero, we didn't it's still not an
apple, we didn't put it anywhere else only on modern podcast
apps. And just for her as a brand new podcast, I wanted to
take a look. And she could see per minute Satoshis coming in,
that encouraged her. It gave her a really good encouraged me. And
I'm jaded, I'm like, Wow, that's so cool. Someone is actually
listening. And they care so much that they they're sending a
Satoshi per minute or whatever it is. That, to me is what's
beautiful. And what podcasting is about that encouragement is
built right in. I also liked the idea of the AI generated, you
know, thumbs up, but I'm just saying this is this is something
that is very exciting for podcasting.
Unknown: Yeah, absolutely. And so with the analytics, you know,
you have to think about what's the use of even showing
analytics to users, right, and you hit it on the head right
there. So it's it's motivation, like is somebody actually
listening to this stuff? And then you can have some extra
things oh, people are listening in five countries in 10
countries that's so exciting. And something actionable so what
are they listening to? What what is what is resonating with the
people that are listening? Right? You know, you might have
an episode that's that's viral ish or something, you know, more
popular than other episodes. So you can then change what you do
based upon that those things. But it's nothing more than that.
But you should you know, think about why you are actually even
showing this to users not just because you have it right.
Dave Jones: Well if you're gonna if you're gonna make it through
podcast winter, you know, if in this industry, I think the
companies that make it through podcast winter are going to be
small teams. And I would say you know, people like the size of
this as of blueberry RSS, Buzzsprout red circle and
smaller though those those companies the the big the big
staffed, hosting companies that are all in on an on an
advertising play like Lipson and a cast and these just giant
Companies that that are trying to go public trying to be
publicly listed, and they're going to struggle. The podcast
winter is going to be very hard for those companies, small teams
for you know, are are going to survive, and I think they're
going to do well. So I mean, like the end, so as see, it's
been really encouraging to see guys like you and W das and I N,
those guys bring sort of bringing up this very, sort of
almost like a like a boutique like these little boutique 2.0
hosting companies. Because we've we had, like we had somebody
asked us the other day, where, where can I go? And I want to do
an audio book podcast, right? Where can I go to do that, like
what host because the person that this was a person who
doesn't know anything about how podcasting works on a technical
level. So, you know, she was like, I've got an audio book, I
need to narrate for somebody. And I just need something that's
super easy. Well, the big, the bigger hosts, they're not there
yet, you know, they move slower. And so we're, you know, it's
like, well, now you have 2.0, hosts like pod home and ours is
blue, they can serve that market, they can serve the early
adopter 2.0 market, that is a legitimate market that just it
needs to be served. And but it's going to take a small team, a
small team like you to do it, and I'm really thankful for it.
Unknown: Yeah, and I'm happy to be able to, you know, use all of
your good work to make the listening experience better,
because that's what it's about, right? So when people have
transcripts and chapters, and that works across all apps, then
the listening experience becomes better. And that's also why I
chose to adopt all these features and tags.
Adam Curry: It also, and what's what I find beautiful about this
is now just some history for people who don't know, but the
the podcast ecosystem had become the podcast industrial complex
and was frozen, it was completely frozen, because
hosting companies would say, Well, you know, if Apple's not
going to do anything, then burn them, we're not going to do it,
we're not going to add any features. And everyone would be
I would be pleading with Apple and Apple had no intention of
doing anything like that. And which I can't fault them for.
It's not their core business, they don't care. They, they,
they want people to buy their products and, and use the base,
and they have their own namespace and their own
thoughts, which is fine. But through many miracles, seeing
the and not have to say a lot of it was Stephen B. Who started
said, Okay, here's an app, this is curio caster, and here's the
here's the service that that writes the feed. And just by
having that, and just by the end, I believe that everything
comes from publishing. So that's why I keep publishing cross SEC
comments. It's their data wants to go sim it wants to surface.
But But just as Dave said, having, being at the point now
where we have enough apps that have enough features, and then
seeing these 2.0, Native hosting companies would I call them as
you say, with no technical debt, that's that's progress that I
had. I hadn't even thought of happening. I'm so delighted to
see it.
Dave Jones: But it makes it a value, it makes it a valid
ecosystem. You know, because that because there's things when
we, when we run with scissors and do something that's really
nuts, that then it takes, it really is only going to be
somebody like a one man team that is going to be able to to
to risk to handle the risk of doing a thing like that. And
Adam Curry: not only that, but to get artists who take risk.
Yeah, like Yeah, and then to see all these different teams come
together like on the the Minneapolis concert. I mean,
exactly, as you said, and oh man, this is so good. This is
good, rich discussion. This is the essence of podcasting. We
all got really caught up in money. And, and in, you know,
monetizing and growing your show and then you know being number
one, and that's not it at all. What it is, is being look, I've
been doing this for 16 years. According to OP three no agenda
has 900,000 people, that's my people, right? If it if it grows
to 2 million great if it shrinks to 400,000 It doesn't matter.
That's my people being able to see them interact with them.
Certainly through the feedback mechanism of booster grams, much
more about that than it is about out the money. It's beautiful
when it can be self sustaining. But that loop just those those
little satisfying things of knowing someone is out there.
That's really when podcasting becomes valuable to people's
lives, from the audience perspective, as well as the
podcaster. Perspective.
Unknown: Yeah, and so value attracts value, right. And so
what you guys are doing
Adam Curry: well, I gotta write, like, I write that one down,
there's a t shirt is. So
Unknown: So you created two methods that can create more
value for podcasters. Right? Because when they add all of
this extra metadata that wasn't there before, with just Apple,
then the listener gets more value out of it. It's that
simple. And then they can also provide you with value true
value for value and other means as well. But but that's the
whole circle, right? It's all just providing extra value. And
so I'm very happy to add things in bolt home, that add value to
what my people creates. And then what listeners can can listen to
me listen to myself, I love to listen to have have a better
listening experience. Right? So that's what it's all about. Did
Dave Jones: you did you? Did you say earlier that your AI product
is helping create the person tags?
Unknown: Yeah, yeah. So it can detect which people are
speaking. But it tries. It doesn't do that on voice, by the
way. Not yet, at least. And I probably won't do that. Because
that means I need to store that information as well. That's a
bit of a privacy thing. But But yeah, it, it tries to detect
which people are speaking. If it can, if it can try and suggest
that to you, I
Adam Curry: use for my trend, I really would love to use
something else. I'd love to get my money to somebody else by use
otter.ai. And the only reason I still use it is because it now I
had to tell it which which speaker but the speaker's names
were I really wanted the transcripts to have the name
because there was at least one app pod friend, as far as I
know, that does something really fun with Speaker names and so on
pod friend. When I'm talking there's my head pops up and a
little bubble with what I said. And when someone else is
talking, then that pops up. But I have not been able to find a
transcription service that does this with speed. And otter a dot
A it takes a long time. It takes a long time for that to
complete.
Unknown: Yeah, no, this is surprisingly fast, actually. But
yeah, so when you identify who says what, because you get you
get a little snippet of audio. And you're like, oh, that's
Adam. Okay, so that's Adam, Adam curry. That's the person call.
And then it's puts that in the in the transcript and also in, I
added transcripts in in JSON and an HTML and also an SRT in there
as well. Because some apps just use that. Or maybe you want to
download to SRT or VTT, for YouTube, if you want to go
there.
Adam Curry: But you can well, this is great. So maybe I'll
just switch from otter AI to pot home AI and just use it for the
transcripts. Yeah, you can take a look, I'd much rather pay you.
And it's about the same. In fact, I think I pay more for
otter than the 1599.
Unknown: Yeah, and pull the home AI is unlimited, just like
everything, everything else. So you're not bound to an amount of
hours per month.
Dave Jones: So are you using Azure on the back end for that?
Unknown: No, I I started off with that. But you're
Adam Curry: very Azure. You're very, very Yeah,
Unknown: I know. I know. And they have, you know, open AI
services on Azure. And all sorts of other stuff. Ai stuff on
Azure as well nowadays. How long
Dave Jones: does it take? It's expensive, though.
Unknown: It's expensive, but it's also very gated. So
whatever you put in there is filtered censored and ooh, you
said a bad words. Now I really don't turn anything. Yeah, just
AI
Adam Curry: the AI world is going to suck so bad. Vanilla.
So how long does it take on average for an hour of audio to
do the transcript with Speaker names? If you pre if you tell if
you teach it the speaker names.
Unknown: You cannot teach it the speaker names yet. So what it
takes about two minutes for hour of audio to get a whole
transcript and the rest of it back chapters and all that.
Adam Curry: So when it detects people, what do I get in the in
SRT file?
Unknown: So when it is done, then you go to your episode
settings and they have a people tab and then it says, Hey, we
found these two people. Is that correct? You need to confirm if
that's correct. Once you do that, then I stick it into the
transcript and into the s So T and everything else,
Adam Curry: do you have to do that every
Unknown: time? Yeah, for now? Yes. But I'm working on a
solution for them.
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah. Cuz, because I just basically have,
you know, seven names or whatever. And so your yours is
not in my database. But now we'll put it in the next time
you come on, it'll detect you.
Unknown: Yeah, right. So so that is actually actual speaker
detection based on my voice and or your voice. And that's the
fancy way to do it. And very complicated, as well as I don't
need to store that information, which I really don't want to do.
But I can, but I, there's easier solutions as well. That's
Adam Curry: why I'm excited, I'm excited, two minutes would be
great. Because, you know, that's one of those things that always
have, it's, that would save, believe me, when you save me
time, you are my friend forever. So creating. So here's my
workflow. The minute I'm done with the show, and there's
usually no edit, so I just throw it into I upload it to the
server, while I'm doing all the other stuff, I need that because
I need to get the size is for the head request, you know,
whatever, when, before publishing the feed, then I
grabbed a dummy transcript file, I have to rename it, then I have
to open it up. Make sure it just says transcript as processing,
then I have to upload it then I have to wait until his upload,
make sure it's uploaded, and then I can continue. So it's
just a pain in the butt. It's just it's annoying. It's
annoying process for a world which should be automated and
computerized.
Unknown: Yeah, yeah. And nowadays, we can I think I use
the same back end server as fountain does because they are
also super quick with their transcripts. Okay, bad tech.
Look. Try it
Dave Jones: out. Yeah. Forget what are they use it? What was
the company there?
Unknown: I think they're using the same thing. And it's deep
Graham.
Dave Jones: dB. is so fast. Oh,
Adam Curry: it's great. It's great for transcript is
phenomenal.
Unknown: Languages.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's That's right. I think. I think Nathan
is using that for steno as well. Or? Yeah, yeah. That's he was
because he does his remember, he his was just as fast as
fountain. Yeah, that's a great they will What would you like to
see Barry in? In Phase seven of the namespace? Is there. Is
there anything that you're going to give you more work high on
anything that you're really, really chomping at the bit to
see?
Unknown: This basically two things. So a very, I got my pen,
I'm reading a very good deduplication process.
Adam Curry: Yeah,
Unknown: it's a difficult thing. And, and, of course, cross as AP
comments, I would really love to offer that as well. So if I can
grab that from somewhere and show it to people in one
centralized place. That'd be awesome. Okay, yeah. So this
interaction with your with your listeners, right. Okay. Do you
Adam Curry: also give give each podcast their own homepage?
Yeah.
Unknown: If they want. Yeah. Yeah, flip a switch. And then I
generate a bolt home websites,
Adam Curry: because I've been using, I gotta give props to pod
page, which is also just a one a two man operation. And yes.
Dave Jones: Dave? No, I lost you for a second. Oh, no.
Adam Curry: I was saying, I want to give props to pod page,
because they've been, they've been adding 2.0 features. This
is really cool. Now in the I think chapters are starting to
show up. And you know, because that's just what I use for I've
been using that I like to know that a small independent
company. And I think that's very undervalued the value of having
having your homepage like booster Graham ball. Now. I'm
horrible at design. And I can't even make something that has
predefined templates look good. I just but it actually does for
for design. Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah,
Unknown: I want to so that's why I have all these bells and
whistles, right like a porthole websites just to make it easy,
as easy as possible for you. So that you don't need to do any I
don't know, get a Squarespace thing or Aqua server or know
anything about that. You can just start it.
Adam Curry: Do you have a registration of domain names
through there as well? Or how does that work
Unknown: a couple of your custom domain to it if you want and
otherwise it will be an address that I generates. It's a simple
website that looks okay and it looks nice on on mobile as well.
And the fun thing is you can see your transcript on there and it
will highlights what is being goes along nice, nice, nice and
also chapters as well. And they do the same thing as well. So
whenever you're in a chapter you can see all right,
Adam Curry: the one thing that I found incredibly useful. Now
I've been generating my show notes in XML for ever since
freedom controller I guess I would my throat. And this
enabled people to create search engines, I have to say, yes, if
you look at Bing it.io, which Dino put together, sir Dino De
anonymous, being able to go to a search. And of course, there's
also the transcript search that Steven Bell put together, I use
that from time to time as well. Since being a.io is only for no
agenda, being able to search through the transcript and show
notes. Man, that's a game changer. And I feel so much more
could be done with that, that people just aren't thinking
about, but just from, I mean, I use it live during the show.
DeVore echo say something I have to say. I think we talked about
this before, boom, you know, five years ago. Oh, there it is.
Click it plays the audio. I mean, these are amazing things.
Unknown: Yeah, that's, well, now you mentioned it. So I also have
pen and paper here.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's, that's boardrooms all about brother.
Yeah, that's,
Unknown: that's a cool feature. And thinking out loud. That
would be an awesome feature. If I could make something like
that, across all podcasts that I host that then have transcripts.
Right. So you go for something and then something shows up. And
you can immediately listen to it. Yeah, yeah. Okay, on the
backlog.
Adam Curry: So I know you have a full time job. Are you working
towards making this your full time? Occupation?
Unknown: This is my full time. Occupation. Oh, is this full
time? Oh,
Adam Curry: I thought I thought last time I thought when I heard
you on like pod news weekly review. You still had a day job?
Unknown: No, no, that might be some somebody else. So. So like
I said, I make my money with online courses. Stingray. Okay.
Yeah. And those things, you know, those are separate from
the effort that I put in them a long time ago. Sometimes I need
to update them. That's true. That doesn't cause thought
that's
Adam Curry: like an ongoing revenue that you get from that
stuff. Exactly. Yeah. How do I get into that? I like that
sounds. Give me some work, man. Let me narrate some stuff.
That's what I'm good at.
Unknown: Yeah, so so that provides me with time to make
stuff like this. So I'm doing this full time. I've been doing
this full time now for a year, and then some
Adam Curry: Wow, congratulations. And that's
great. Yeah.
Unknown: So if I do as well this year, then hopefully, I get
enough revenue from both home as well.
Adam Curry: You won't have to be a prostitute. And the rest of
the time, that's exactly what it is selling weed out of the trunk
of your car. Nice. Wow, that's great. Man. I'm so I'm so happy
for you. That's fantastic. That's what a success story. I
love it. And
Unknown: it also means that I do not need to take any VC money or
stuff like that. I really do not want to beautiful and to do
that. You're just fully bootstrapped. And all I have is
time I can only go up.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And what is your what is your technology
stack look like it at pod home? Is that? Is that a Microsoft
stack? Or what is that?
Unknown: Yeah. Yeah, Microsoft stack. So I'm very comfortable
with that. You know, so I run it on in Azure as well. So it is
ASP. Net blazer for those of blazer. Interesting. Yeah, it's
very interesting, because that means that I can do HTML and C
sharp in HTML, basically, which is just amazing. For me, as a
developer. I use lots of Azure functions as background
processes that do lots of stuff like imports and process media,
kick off other things, AI all that type stuff. Wow. Yeah, just
standard Microsoft stuff. I'm
Dave Jones: pretty I'm pretty sure you hold the distinction of
being the only Microsoft stack and all the podcasting if I had
to guess that's a wild guess. But I think I think that's
probably a safe
Adam Curry: Yeah, man. Yeah, don't you be like the cool kids
and use rust?
Dave Jones: No, no.
Unknown: No, just use what what what's the most comfortable
thing for you and where you're most productive in and that's
for me, that's C sharp and Microsoft stuff.
Dave Jones: Now, I love C sharp, C sharp is basically you write
part of Ebro. If you don't know the name of something, you just
write part of it and then you just hit Tab 800 times until you
find that C sharp. If any of you any of you Still confused, add a
dot and do it and hit Tab again.
Unknown: Well, I much better than JavaScript, if you just
type something in, you know, it seems to work and then it breaks
down into browser. It doesn't exist or
Adam Curry: like me just go to chat GPT and say, Hey, build
this for me and Bin Python. And then it does something that
doesn't work. Okay, it never works. rarely, rarely does it?
Does it work out of the box? Rarely. But
Unknown: I must say, you know, we can this AI all we want, but
I use GitHub co pilots. And that is basically Chet GPT. But then,
in developer mode, and it just helps me a lot with, you know,
thinking about things. I
Adam Curry: know, people swear by it. I mean, when it comes to
language, I'm all about the LLM. That's definitely I mean,
there's things that LLM is do very, very well. Oh, yeah. But
this whole idea of the machine is going to think and it's going
to eat the world now. I don't think so.
Unknown: No, but it can be a great helper for stuff like this
techspace stuff. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah,
Adam Curry: logic, language construction is very good. One
of my favorite things to do is look at Bible scripture. You
couldn't give it a concept. And you know, it has so many
different versions of this of these texts, that it finds all
kinds of stuff, and it can write entire sermons. It's super
interesting. But language. Yeah, when it comes to language, it's
not bad at all.
Unknown: I'm just go ahead does do a good job there, or does it
hallucinate stuff?
Adam Curry: Well, that's a good question. Because I'm sure you
know, that's interesting. I think there's so much written
that it doesn't have to, I think the hallucination that happens
when it doesn't have an answer, or it doesn't have doesn't have
the data.
Dave Jones: It doesn't reference the book of third Moses.
Adam Curry: That will be awesome, wouldn't it? Yeah.
Rewrite Revelation where it's all good. Okay. So yeah, no, I'm
but I have to continue to dis AI, because I just don't see the
business model. I mean, you pay for a co pilot.
Unknown: Yeah, but they are, apparently they're losing money.
Like, they must
Adam Curry: be that it's the overhead of running it. I mean,
I run I have 11 LLM or my start nine, which is a lot of fun. But
I can just see what it takes.
Unknown: It takes a lot of compute power. Yeah.
Adam Curry: And if if you want to, so there's like an 11
gigabyte model. And that that just takes a lot more to, then
it's slower, it's just slower, because you know, the box is
limitations. So be as a trade off, if you want something quick
down and dirty, then you need to go for like a two gigabyte
model. But you know, your results may vary.
Unknown: But this will be a very temporary thing. So this is it's
still extremely new, right, since that this has been
actually working as a consumer product. So I believe that in
the years to come, this will be very cheap to run. And then they
can make lots of money. And we all are in the door already. So
they're selling us already making us dependent on this
stuff. Well, the thing
Adam Curry: I'm skeptical about not to belabor this, turn this
into an AI podcast, but Google, you know, Google has a very
successful advertising model. That's their core business.
That's what they do. It's $40 billion a year. And I don't see
how you shoehorn AI functionality into they they
spent so much money on optimizing their whole DNA is
this took 0.3 seconds to get this answer. That's their entire
DNA. And they have to completely and they've been doing this.
They've been rejiggering all of their data centers. I mean, the
only people really making money right now is, you know, in
video, you know, the chip guys. And in fact that and Dave, I
think you told me this. That's exactly what Sam Walton was
doing is he was he was working, although Devorah Audis. I think
correctly. DeVore X is he's crazy. Because just to say, Oh,
I'm going to start a chip company. That's not that's a 20
year plan. You don't just start a chip company. And oh, I'll
just do AI chips is not that simple.
Unknown: Yeah, I could show us doing that now as well, their
own AI chip. Right.
Adam Curry: Right. And that was probably part of their deal. You
know, they have a built in consumer and that that's where
the money is. And my prediction is, it's all going to pivot to
qubits. Everyone's going to be like, well, you know, we can't
really make much money we're gonna do quantum and quantum
computing.
Dave Jones: But by the time by the time that this stuff gets
cheap enough to run it at scale, it will also be the the hardware
will also be capable enough to run the a 24 to 2436 Gig LLM on
your hardware. Yeah. And then at that point, you just run it
locally, and you don't need to scale anyway. So that's you,
because you if you can ship an LLM as an just in the OS, there
you go. There, you just don't even need this. You don't need
Azure anymore. So
Adam Curry: well, they will start, they will work as hard as
they can to protect that. Please see the executive order that our
president sign you. It's all about that it's all about
blocking off and protecting the incumbents. Yeah.
Unknown: Well, we'll see I am looking into running my own
thing in the future, so that I'm not dependent on any third party
services. So but but let's see. We'll see how it goes. It
evolves quickly, please.
Adam Curry: Well, Barry, it's, it's been cool to have you in
the boardroom. Ma'am. This. As I said, I'm just delighted and
overjoyed at your success. And, you know, as I call you, you and
RSS blew up. It does. Yeah, your, your, your 2.0 native
companies. And that's very exciting. It really is. And I
look forward to more, you know, some more of the stuff that you
put together tonight. I not being an AI fan, but I think
you're making very good usage of MLMs to, you know, to create a
lot of the metadata, that may just be harder for some people
to do. I mean, even coming up with titles and stuff. I spend
time on that, you know, it's not always easy for people. That's
one of the main things I would be great if it'd be fun to see
if if art could ever be created for chapters. Yeah, yeah.
Although I prefer humans I love Yeah, please. I want to make
sure that Dred Scott doesn't get upset dread. We love you,
brother. We love you. We love we love what you do. You do the
best chapters, and I'm never gonna replace you.
Dave Jones: Sometimes I see a chapter title from Drib. And it
just makes me laugh.
Adam Curry: I know. I know. That and the humor. That's the one
thing humor is going to be very difficult. People using AI for
humor is right now is the killer app. I mean, did you hear that?
You hear the Bill Gates.
Unknown: Ai I had. Yeah, that was awesome. I don't
Adam Curry: know Dave, did you hear it? You haven't heard it?
No, I didn't hear some of this only 30 seconds.
Dave Jones: I'm here in Dubai. And of course I flew in on my
private jet. Very, very important meeting. The issue of
you peasants eating bugs will be discussed at length. That's
never gotten the attention it deserves the issue of COVID-19
not killing off enough poor people and my vaccines not
weeding out the rest of you bastards, which is a tragedy of
course. We'll talk about using killer robots next chat
absolutely solve that problem.
Adam Curry: That's the best the killer app of AI right now is
using it for comedic purposes. But it can't come up with the
jokes itself.
Dave Jones: Yeah, see dread drab on the last show when we talked
about Gilmore Girls. His his chapter title was pod the pod
sage visit Stars Hollow like that's just beautiful. Yeah.
This the AI is not gonna there's not going to help you
Adam Curry: with it. No, you can't replace it. Shall we?
thank a few people. Dave. I'm going to look at the booster
grams that have come in. I think people have been so engrossed in
the conversation there's been very little boosting going on.
Which is not a problem. But I will read what I have hard hat
3333 That was 19 minutes ago and then before that, it was one
hour ago. He says boost one hour ago 1701 from source D who said
73 source D I expect Kyuzo from you kita five Alpha Charlie
Charlie salty crayon who sent 333 And he says board room is
lit and I believe that is it. That's what we got live boosters
low low low boost winter. Where's winter burn boost?
Dave Jones: Yeah, we've got we have no no one off papers this
week. But we do have some boosts we got 33 333 through from Dred
Scott. Thank you. Director yo Catherine dribs says howdy David
Adam and Hi there podcast listeners. I'd like to invite
you to check out and subscribe to CSB dot lol which features
hilarious cartoons just ever to head over to see his beat up lol
and get ready to laugh. Drib
Adam Curry: Wow. This is interesting. Marketing CSB has
gotten dragged to promote him. I love it.
Dave Jones: Or CSB is pretending to be Drib which could also be
Adam Curry: doesn't seem like his style.
Dave Jones: It doesn't. It doesn't but it is very it's
still part of technically possible. Yes. Thank you Jerry.
Via 5000 sunsets through fountain he says, wasn't
listening live. So I don't know if anyone was awake. But I for
sure enjoy the rest talk. The unwrapping sounds like tagged
unions for kids, which is great love to hear traditional
imperative coders get slowly feature by feature sucked into
the magical world of functional programming.
Adam Curry: Yes, I'm glad I could participate in that
conversation.
Dave Jones: I feel you're a big fan of functional programming.
Adam Curry: It's one of my favorites. I mean, you know,
besides tabbing 1000 times to get to the right answer and C
sharp, it's yeah, I'm all about the functional thing. Yeah.
Dave Jones: And don't forget dots mean, dots. Yes, mere
mortals podcast 2222. Through fountain he says, a car and he
says I'm focusing a lot more on Convos. Again, and especially
those involved with value for value. Are there any questions
or themes you would like to hear? Where you think are
lacking from the general Convo would love your thoughts go
podcasting?
Adam Curry: First of all, Podcast. I'm sure I don't know.
Barry, you got anything that you that you'd like as a combo
topic? I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure I'm I'm always
delighted by the surprising conversations that you have
Kyron so I haven't No, no demands.
Dave Jones: I would love to hear a devil's advocate. I would love
to hear some ever ever serial back and forth about it. I don't
think it'll work and then showing that it does.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we need more adversity online was not enough.
Yeah,
Dave Jones: no, that's okay. I forget it. Forget it. Take it
back. Take it back. Cut that out in post? I don't think so. dribs
got 12345 There Kira Castro. He says, Boo Steen. See the
nonnamous 5000 sets the pod verse. He or she says reply
addresses and boosts now awesome. If we could one day
replace email with booster grams. Yeah, that's Hey,
Adam Curry: I'm ready for the replies man, I am ready for it.
We'll get there eventually.
Dave Jones: Eric pap is banging his head against it. He's he's
working on it. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I know is my guy doing all that and how LeapPad
is such a beautiful product. It's it's like I use it all day
long.
Dave Jones: another shining example of my, my fantastic UI
style skills. It's
Adam Curry: actually one of your better UI.
Dave Jones: Because I know what you're trying to compliment.
It's actually not a customer. What do
Adam Curry: you mean that was a compliment? If you've evolved
board
Dave Jones: bugs with Sharpie on it is what that is.
Adam Curry: It's very functional. I like it a lot. And
ever since you taught me how to import a CSV file into Excel to
create a Pivot Table. My life has never been the same. It's
just beautiful. Baby
Dave Jones: this dress looks makes it look fast. No, you look
very functional.
Adam Curry: Wow, I'll try that tonight.
Dave Jones: Sir Brian of London 21 948 YO YO THROUGH cast ematic
he says the tone of this message has been checked by AI and
verified, friendly and supportive. You know,
Adam Curry: I got a lot of people commenting on that. Then
when we ran comments, your blogger through the through chat
GPT Okay, people love that. There were people like trying to
automate it, you know, so they can have a sub commentator
Blogger account. Like when he when he when he when he posts
something that would create a a mirror of him speaking nicely.
As be ad
Dave Jones: friendly, CSV. That was great. It was great. Phantom
power music 10,000 says through true fans, he says market
Ainsley Costello please. Oh,
Adam Curry: yes, I need to give an update. I had the
conversation with the $30 million dollar media company
guy. Okay. And he did not understand that all what I was
talking about, although we are under he, I mean, we got into he
gave me his vision, which I understand. And I said, Well,
you know, I think it's, I don't think it's a good idea to put
money into content creation, that's a good way to spend all
your money. And, and, you know, he had he has a vision. And I
said, Well, you know, I'm happy to help and advise but you'll
get you know, you'll get pushback from me and then he
asked me to be an advisor which I said I would definitely
consider because anything I can do mainly the music thing is
what interested him but he did put in the the T word in his
conversation.
Dave Jones: He has a nice term
Adam Curry: now as in tipping.
Dave Jones: Oh, and dagger to
Adam Curry: the heart. And yeah, that did hurt a little bit. But
I will continue to do My best to promote value for value and all
I really want is I want a media company to market existing shows
products services apps that are in our ecosystem. That's my
mission and I continue to be on it and the combo has been
opened.
Dave Jones: Nicholas besides 5822 to 22 through fountain says
great episode even three months later Oh heat This is in
reference. This is a boost for episode 150 Wow He says I'm
catching up greetings from Switzerland.
Adam Curry: Oh, all right. God thank you.
Dave Jones: At Nick's and it's 20 to 22 Road ducks through
found he says God is sitting up at the top with a lot of remote
items and as good as one laugh out loud. See, pit Pauling 1111
Central Richards the through pod verse he says Happy New Year.
Happy New Year's coming to do your two. Oh Nicholas B 58.
Again, coming back through fountain with 12121 This is
because I had to listen on my browser you get this boost.
Okay, nice. Karen. To see 20 to 22. Again these podcasts guru
says You guys are amazing, Padre. And the delimiter
chemistry blogger 32,000 sets through fountain he says how do
Jesus followers David Adam. I'd like to invite your audience to
follow me on Twitter or x.com My user name there is CSB, just
three letters. Any follower who follows me there for 33 days or
longer will get from me $1 paid in Bitcoin Satoshis just letting
me know 33 days after following me and I'll transfer via invoice
or lightning address yo CSB. No.
Adam Curry: All right, paying people to listen, that's
interesting. It's
Dave Jones: becoming an ETF. It's like a CSV ETS. Yeah. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Basically what he is we got some I was gonna say,
late to Lake live booster grams come in from Dred Scott 45678
Beautiful drip. Thank you appreciate that. Also a 4567
from Dred Scott. He says love you to Adam. And here's one for
here's one for Barry. Nathan G. 2222. Love to hear your thoughts
on a dedicated podcasting 2.0 services for HLS live streaming.
We didn't even talk about we didn't even talk about the about
live and lit stuff. In video. Barry want to get together?
Yeah. Yeah, I'd love to get a few more minutes. Sure.
Unknown: I do. So I have this, like backlog thing I used to do
lists. I don't know if you know that, that it's like a to do
thing. What's it called? To Do List to
Adam Curry: do it, I loved I love these types of things. I'm
gonna write that down. That's why I store
Unknown: my whole life in if it's not in there, I don't do
it. That's it's that simple. I forget it. So I have this list
of backlog in progress, bugs, and chips. And so on the
backlog, there is life item that is in there. And it is getting
close to going into in progress. So I really want to do that.
Because I also want to create a live show. That's basically
that's the motivation, basically, I really want to do
that. And I'm trying to think about what the best way of
actually doing that is because I don't want to have acids where
you say, Well, I have this life service that I use somewhere.
And then I put that in here in pod home into some the URL in a
in a box. And
Dave Jones: that's it. So the budget copy and pasting. Yeah,
yeah. So I want
Unknown: to create, indeed, natively within bolt home so
that you don't have to leave bolt home to actually do that.
And that means providing, indeed a streaming service, and server.
So I'm thinking about that, but it will come definitely and
definitely this year. Yes. Okay, cool.
Adam Curry: I mean, I think I think that's a big one, and a
big different differentiator to have the actual streaming
service. Yeah, available. I think that would be huge. And
there's so many cool things. I mean, the one thing that I'm
still looking for, just as just throwing it out there. So I have
I have my own stream. It's actually offline right now, I
think, but my own stream and I just put a whole playlist in
there of Bookstagram balls. I would love for there to be an
RSS feed that dynamically adapts whatever the Oh says, Oh, this
is the show. Click. Here's the value time splits for that show.
Though when people are listening to an to a stream, a live stream
that is archived that the alive value time splits will WebSocket
and make it work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I said. Yeah.
Radio. Yes. I'm sorry. It's called Radio. Right.
Unknown: That's the idea. No, but yeah, but yeah, that is, it
is a good idea. And I am thinking about it. And that will
this year it will be audio only? Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Dave Jones: i That's the best. That's the best way to develop
any features when you the one there when when you want it for
yourself, because they know build it? Well. Right. True.
True.
Unknown: And I know people want video because they want to be on
YouTube or something. I don't want to be on YouTube, because I
just get censored anyways. But but that's what I know is a
video or I do think video has a place, you know, at least for
discoverability. And the youngsters are all watching the
videos badly. So I will probably add video capabilities as in you
can just upload video, if you have it. And then I will extract
the audio from there as well process it and do all the fancy
things I do already with it. But then add the video in what's it
called alternate enclosure. So that's apps like because
apparently there are a bunch of apps that already do this. As we
saw with Ainsley event, yes. And do it well, so that people can
just, you know, choose what they want to look at. And it
shouldn't be that difficult. It just takes a lot of storage
power. And I need to figure out how to do that efficiently. IPFS
man, yeah,
Dave Jones: if long term storage power. That's a great,
Adam Curry: that's a good title. Actually, I was looking at big
blob of JSON, but I think storage power is better storage
way storage powers just as a storage power,
Dave Jones: though. There it is. You know, we get some monthlies
we I don't want to forget about him. Yes. Got Chris Callen. $5.
Terry Keller, $5. Mitch from pod verse $10. Thank you,
Christopher hyperbaric $10 Thank you, Chris. Lauren ball. $24.20.
Thank you, Lauren. Basil Phillips $25. Thank you basil
and pod verse $50. Thank you, Mitch and Kreon. Yes,
Adam Curry: thank you all very much. This is value for value. I
keep forgetting. It was it was a chat F who did our numbers for
the past three years.
Dave Jones: I can't Yeah, yeah. Can I want to talk about that?
I've got that on my list. List. It's just me and you next week.
Let's talk about that next week. Okay,
Adam Curry: good. Because that, definitely, but I love value for
value value for value was so the way to go. As long. What do we
have now? We have 5000 people listening to the show.
Dave Jones: Oh, in op three knows, like 8000?
Adam Curry: Oh, 8000. Okay, that's our total audience.
Dave Jones: 8617 in December. Nice.
Adam Curry: Nice. Okay, we'll talk about that next week. And
but in the meantime, 40%
Dave Jones: of them are listening right now I
Adam Curry: know. I know, it's that last 10% No one's listening
right now. Just true. Value for value, go to podcast index.org.
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should stop. And thank you all very much for being here in the
boardroom. Barry. Brother, thank you so much for all you're
doing, man it was this was enjoyable conversation. I liked
it a lot.
Unknown: Yes, very much for for having me on. And just as a
final thing. I know nobody's listening anymore now. Yeah. So
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appreciate you man. Love you so much. Yeah, absolutely. Brother.
Have a good weekend. Okay, everybody in the boardroom.
Thank you for being here. We returned next Friday with an
other board meeting of podcasting 2.0 We'll see you
there. Take care everybody bye bye
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