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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for
July 14 2023, episode 141

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boosting his love. Well, hello
everybody once again, it's time

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for your weekly board meeting
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everything happening in podcast
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for you. And of course, all the

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discussions, the arguments and
the love chatter from podcast

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index dot social. It is the only
boardroom with music as a

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feature. I'm Adam curry here in
the heart of the Texas Hill

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Country and in Alabama, the man
who will ignore your block tag

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if you're nasty. Say hello to my
friend on the other end, ladies

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and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
Mr. Jones, if you're nasty if

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you're nasty, that's right. If
you're nasty. Hello, Dave.

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Dave Jones: Have you seen this
Zelinsky meme that's everywhere.

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You must

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Adam Curry: be this tall to
start world war three.

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Dave Jones: The funny thing
about this thing is not it's not

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really the Zelinsky to me. It's
it's the is it. All the elite I

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just realized maybe I'm late to
the party. But all the elites,

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they do this weird thing where
they where they stand and face

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each other and hold hands and
austerity.

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Adam Curry: And he says there
are the two ladies.

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Dave Jones: Ladies, and then in
that other picture. It's McCrone

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and Zelinsky stay in the same
exact posting, they're holding

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hands staring each other's

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Adam Curry: repeat all these
people are creepy. They are

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Dave Jones: creepy in real life,

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Adam Curry: and that and that
whole NATO Summit, that's just

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an arm sales conference. Okay,
so can we sell some more stuff?

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All right, we'll figure it out.

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Dave Jones: Brought to you by
Lockheed Martin. That's

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Adam Curry: right. How you
doing, brother?

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Dave Jones: I'm good. I'm good,

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Adam Curry: man. Very good. I
always love it when it's just

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you and me. I mean, I like
having guests. Don't get me

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wrong. Yeah, just the two of us.
Don't get me wrong. And of

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course, we have a chat room.
Hello, chat room. Chat Room was

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there as we are live. Oh, of
course. I forgot you are

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streaming live on on your video
thing.

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Dave Jones: So you're not a
distraction to me. I swear. It's

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Adam Curry: your only fans. I
know. It's your only fans.

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Dave Jones: I will be taking
requests boosting your request.

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Goodness

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Adam Curry: gracious. Well,
right off the bat. We've had a

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couple of nice pre boosts, which
I think we should thank people

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for just because I mean, it's
lovely. It's lovely when this

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happens. Hello anonymous. 50,000
SATs, sending this to you guys

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because I can't figure out how
to move my SATs with I'll be

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back on chain one day. I'll
figure this all out until then

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go podcasting.

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Dave Jones: I hope you never
figure it out.

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Adam Curry: And we did a pre
show which we always do. And we

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got a lot of boost for the pre
show people love the pre show

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Dave Jones: is because of our
amazing do it. Our voices blend

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seamlessly together in a rush.
Vocal vocal harmonies. It's

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velvet.

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Adam Curry: It's just pure
velvet.

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Dave Jones: It is that's what
they've always called it.

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They've always called me the
velvet hammer, you know?

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Adam Curry: Oh man, hey. Okay,
I'll start. I'll start with my

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music show. I'm getting ramped
up, getting ramped up. I'm

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getting amped up. I have a name.
I've decided on the name. It's

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kind of a little bit something
that came from the last show.

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Dave Jones: I hadn't had names
to suggest or I don't know

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Adam Curry: I'm not I'm loosey
goosey. What names do you have?

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Dave Jones: He does a terrible
thing to ask you.

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Adam Curry: But am I for you
never never

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Dave Jones: know the answer is
no, no, no, no. Go ahead. What

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do you thought about lightning
round?

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Adam Curry: Oh, I like that.
Now. Did you see if there was a

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domain name available for that?
No, of course not. Well, let me

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check. Okay, lightning, I like
lightning round. Although it

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does kind of suggest something
fast and short stuff. True.

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True. True. So I could register
lightning round.com

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Dave Jones: I just wanted to get
that on the board before I hear

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your your actual

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Adam Curry: I'd like it. I like
it on the board. I'd like it.

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Okay, so let me see under can I
register this? Let me see. Let

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me see what's available. Now
it's not available.

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Dave Jones: Okay, well, it's off
the table. Okay, off the board.

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I put I retract it.

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Adam Curry: I was thinking you
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most clear because basically I'm
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tracks that are value for value
enabled. I'm sure as as the show

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progresses, there'll be more
information I mean, I'll talk

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some crap and backstory and
stuff when I can and maybe we'll

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have an artist on you know from
time to time or have someone do

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a quick interview. I don't know
I mean, I'm leaving it open but

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the the main thing is to be
playing music. And I just keep

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coming back to booster Grand
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Dave Jones: Booster. Grand Ball
is a great name.

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Adam Curry: I mean, and I have
the domain name it just feels

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right. It's exactly what the
show is. It's you know, we want

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people boosting booster grams,
we want it to be a ball to know

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a musical ball, but just have a
ball, bring your ball,

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Dave Jones: ball and go home
when it's over, hey, don't

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Adam Curry: take that ball and
go home. So now what I'm looking

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for now, is I need some imaging.
Also, there's so much already

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available for boosts. And for
booster grams, you know, we have

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a lot of got a lot of that kind
of stuff. When I'm looking for

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is a show opener, anybody want
to give that a stab? It doesn't

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have to be one set show opener,
I will put you in the value

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block. So I'm looking for
jingles. I'm looking for

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positioning music stuff,
whatever it is. Because I can I

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can make it myself but why
bother when other people be

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happy to do it?

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Dave Jones: And, and you and
they have a different

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perspective that you may not
have which always comes through

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Adam Curry: like totally. So
this is the stuff that I had for

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daily stores code in its most
recent iteration. That's not

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That's not that one. Where's my
opener? Oh, this is the one

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opener here we go this one
sysadmins ensuring five nines

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uptime 21st century of radios
live on noise that kind of stuff

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or this kind of stuff you know
anything I can transition

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between songs that kind of stuff
I'm looking for. And I'm I could

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I could call Jeff Smith and say
make something for me. But I

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want it to be a much more
community thing. So I want to

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and I want to have lots of stuff
when I have lots of options. So

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if anyone's interested send it
to me. I would highly appreciate

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that.

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Dave Jones: No are you wanting
per episode art?

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Adam Curry: Wow, I mean if
possible, that's beautiful. But

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that's you know if that's it
would require me doing it live

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and I'm not I want to do it live
and live as as much as possible.

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I haven't selected a day yet.
But maybe it's something I do

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right after this show on a
Friday since I'm already all

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jacked up.

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Dave Jones: Oh, okay. Oh wait so
um, so you you're were you

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planning to start this new
podcast with without live and

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then go to live lighter? Is that
what I'm hearing? Are you going

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to do live from the beginning I
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Adam Curry: I was hoping to do
it live from the beginning

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actually thought that would be
kind of cool.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz that's I
mean that's that's your that's

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your style.

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Adam Curry: See, dubs is saying
it's not in the split that I do

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something wrong. I just want
understand. Did we do something

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wrong? I don't know. I don't
know. I don't know when people

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say that I get worried. You
know? What's not we don't know

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what we don't know what it
means. Don't just say it. Don't

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just do that to me. Yeah, so and
I want to get started pretty

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soon I got the beta the fountain
beta that has the references so

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yeah, the song show up at WC
net. Are you on?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, Mom got it.
Yeah, minute I've been I've been

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playing with it. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: Okay, so how why is
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Dave Jones: How wide is it?
Yeah, how would you mean

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Adam Curry: well, I mean, how
boost the boost bot is it's I

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don't know if it's in the white
book. How widely distributed is

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the beta is my question.

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Dave Jones: Oh, I'd I don't
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Adam Curry: The boost bot is
most fountain boost but I need a

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different boost bot in there.
Okay, well, I can't do that now.

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Dave Jones: We'll see. That's it
Sam a note this morning acid

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asking to get because I still
can't get in my pod fans. And

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Adam Curry: you can't get an
either. Yeah, it's it's like the

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two guys who really needs to be
in there. Definitely need to be

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in that in that thing. Well,

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Dave Jones: I feel I feel so in
order to in order to launch your

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podcast you I mean, you really
need that you need pod fans

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needs to be on the online I
mean, because we need to be able

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to because that's one day. So we
have curio caster fountain, pod

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fans and pod friend. Those Those
for support. Support the value

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times split and then podcasts
Guru is coming. So and is pod

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verse. Is that still in beta? Do
we know? For the pod? For the

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for the vape? I

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Adam Curry: don't know. I don't
know. I'm also Mitch was here

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also see dubs are saying I'm
fountain to live block says it's

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ended. Well, that's fountains
problem because I'm live. My

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life block says it's good to go.
I don't understand any of what's

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Dave Jones: This is a great
endorsement. I'm for all this.

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Adam Curry: Well, I'm sorry.
scissoring time you know, but

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I'm just worried that I'm not
doing the split kid right,

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because I'm not sure what is in
charge of what? I guess let me

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Dave Jones: oh, yeah, we're
live. It says punchy. I'm

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looking at the feed right now
where it says we're live.

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Adam Curry: Right then Honestly
I don't have the boost the boost

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bot I don't have that what is
the what is the boost bots?

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Dave Jones: Oh bless you Steven
do you put podcast chat tag in

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there is always one step ahead
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Adam Curry: Did you do something
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Dave Jones: Yeah, I put the
podcast the new unform alized

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Adam Curry: Ru Yes, yes, I know
that I knew that wasn't okay

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with IRC right the boost bot so
the boost bot I have to add this

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okay. All right. Oh ma second
let's get scissoring tireless

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the weather reminds We'll do it
live Hold on a second. So

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episode I'm gonna I'm gonna
change will this work? Or will

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people have to reload their?
They'll have to reload their

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feed, won't they?

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Dave Jones: I don't even know
what you're doing. Okay,

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Adam Curry: I'm adding in
because someone's complaining

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that the boost bot is not is not
in this in the live split. To

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see dogs is complaining see dogs
is complaining. So I guess then

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it doesn't show up in the in the
chat. Does that make sense?

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Dave Jones: I don't know. Try
it. Okay. There's only one way

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Adam Curry: way to find out.
Okay, so I put the boost bot in

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there for 1% of the split. Okay,
publish feed. And there we go.

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So hopefully that works. I don't
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Dave Jones: If we see all if we
see all listeners drop off at

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the same time.

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Adam Curry: Well, what everyone
needs to do now is boost. If you

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know I'm saying this is Hey
everybody. Let's test the boost

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bot. Well go.

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Dave Jones: It's not a great
test for me because I wasn't in

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there. So I guess I'm a that's
not an accurate test. But let me

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let me go do it real quick. No.
Where are you? Trying to boost

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Adam Curry: okay. I don't know
what the boost boost boost BOD

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is the thing that I understand

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Dave Jones: to boost the Akira
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Adam Curry: Okay, and then what
is what is supposed to happen?

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It's mostly loose but should get
it right. But then the boost bot

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will also show up in the IRC
chat. This is excusing.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Yeah,
this bus should show up because

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that's what this one is.
Normally it will let me get into

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Adam Curry: like got your boost.
Okay, yeah, got 123 does not

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show up in did not show up in
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Dave Jones: And I gotta just an
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this book. But probably not.
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Adam Curry: I have no idea.
Okay, well, anyways, this is

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great. I noticed. Oh, there we
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go. Eric P P. Okay. Booth spot
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right. See, dubs not allowed to
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show? distracting me Stop it.
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where it goes. And that means I
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schedule in the beginning.
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have no days left in the week.
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Dave Jones: the the request, the
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interesting. I mean, that we
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Dave Jones: yeah, like, we
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structured data instead of just
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fun experiment. So if you say,
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Adam Curry: I have an idea
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All right. It would be
phenomenal. If people could go

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into a webpage. I'm gonna say
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this ln beats? Lm beats is a
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into LM beats, you find the
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you should be able to have a
request boost form. Yes, that

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sends it to me. And then I can
import it right away into the

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split kit. Maybe it's a part of
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Dave Jones: Yeah, that I think
that's that's perfect. So you go

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into Yes, you can go into your
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Adam Curry: Steven B's already.
I can make that happen in the

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split cut. Yes, the split kick
can actually can actually shave

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me while I'm doing the show. The
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to work. The split kid can do
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complicated how it works.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, well, it's
fine, but it's fine.

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Adam Curry: It's fine. I love
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that's all fine. It'd be the
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request to A request thing, then
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and then what I need Steven is I
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track when it comes through so
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in the interface and you'd be
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then add it to the to the
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play it, I can I can hit the
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be that would be beautiful.

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Dave Jones: I'm thinking about
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Adam Curry: work coming up with
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this is great. I love it.

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Dave Jones: I'm having a thought
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spec right now. So you have
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item Gu ID I wonder if those
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who say sometimes a payment is
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if you have that then you could
have the action? No, no. Okay,

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what's the action alright, if
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just say the action is boost
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you're available off right we
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Adam Curry: Oh man. Yeah, now
we're talking I love it in

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Dave Jones: the remote item
remote guid would be interpreted

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as the thing being requested,
not not a split. Okay. Do you

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catch my meaning?

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Adam Curry: Steven B. And Nathan
Gee, I don't want people to

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think it's a metal only cuz I'm
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probably not, you know.
Interestingly enough, when I

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think of booster gram ball, I
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you know what song I'm thinking
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Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, yeah, like

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Adam Curry: this one. Roger
Glover. Ronnie do Ronnie James

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Dio love is all clack you know
the song? Yeah, yes, for sure.

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Understand, yeah. Play the hook

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let me fast forward some hours
the hook. There we go. The

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Butterfly. Butterfly ball. Yeah,
that's it. Did

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Dave Jones: you see this? Ronnie
James, do you?

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Adam Curry: Yeah. Was Roger
Glover? Really? Yeah. You didn't

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know that?

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Dave Jones: No, I had no idea
that was do Oh, yeah.

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Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, that's
that was that's what makes the

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song not gay. I mean, that in
the ad sense of gay.

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Dave Jones: Thought about that?
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Adam Curry: Hey, man, that
sounds no good, right. Hey, man.

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It's do brother. Oh, I'm sorry.
Back off. I'm sorry. I made a

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mistake.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, like, AC DC.
Big. She's got big balls. Yes.

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Agreed. gaggle pod.

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Adam Curry: Okay, so you'll add
that to the spec, Stephen B will

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build it will be ready by
Thursday.

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Dave Jones: We should do Stephen
B will be ready this afternoon.

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I will get rid of not let me
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Adam Curry: That's cool. All
right. Um, we're gonna spawn

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something. So I am so excited
about this. I just want to

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reiterate. And I've written my
article for Bitcoin magazine.

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They actually already wrote
that. Yeah, they actually ping

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me. They said, Hey, man, we're
excited about your article. Oh,

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my God, that never happens. Oh.
So I ran it through chat. GPT

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and I think it's good now. No,
you didn't I sure did. I sure

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did to tighten this up and did a
pretty good job actually. Yeah,

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yeah. But but the final phase is
the Tina wash. So I'm going to

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send it to Tina. Because that's
what she you know,

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Dave Jones: wish you knew what
she's gonna do today. What

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Adam Curry: is this chat GPT
crap. Right away. This is

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horrible. So but in your team,
that's what she used to do for a

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living. I mean, she's a pro so
she'll, she'll rewrite rewrite

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stuff and put it all in there in
the right context. I got about

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650 words. And let me see. Where
is it here? Now I can actually

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tell you, where is it? Article,
podcast, podcasting, 2.0 music

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and value for value in the ever
evolving landscape of

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podcasting, a groundbreaking
movement known as podcasting.

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2.0 has emerged, spearheaded by
the geniuses Adam curry. Dave

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Jones doesn't say that, but I
thought it was. This initiative

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was born out of the need to
protect and extend podcasting in

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the face of challenges posed by
major platforms like apple.

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There's a little bit of history
there. And then I'm talking

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about real time payments. I'm
kind of reiterating some stuff

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where Some music stuff would I
put that in here? Anyway, and

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I'm trying to simplify it. Oh
yeah. The system has the ability

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to switch to different payment
wallets and splits within the

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podcast automatically redirect
payments to the owner of a piece

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of content using the podcast
primarily used for music played

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in a podcast. Artists are now
seeing direct payments from

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podcast listeners often
surpassing payouts from

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streaming services by several
magnitudes. recording artists

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whose music is not owned by a
label or publisher and not

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licensed to antiquated agencies,
such as ASCAP BMI, are now able

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to self host or use a specific
hosting provider such as wave

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lake.com, music side project.com
or dystopia.com. To make the

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music available to listeners
using V for V enabled apps, or

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podcasters, to include them in
their shows. Now freed from

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outdated ownership and licensing
structures. podcasters can

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freely share the value of music
in their shows, while ensuring

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the artists received the value
sent back by their listeners,

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igniting an exciting way for
music lovers to discover music

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outside of big tech
entertainment algorithms and

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agendas Bucha Daddy

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Dave Jones: that I like it.
Okay, thank you. Thank you. This

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is her hooky at the bear.

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Adam Curry: There's a lot of
words there. But we'll work on

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it. So yeah. And it really will
ignite a whole new category of

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and this will be good for
everybody. It's going to be good

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for hosting companies, it's
going to be good for apps, it's

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going to be everybody's going to
benefit because there will be an

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entirely new generation of
podcasters coming on board. And

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just think college radio. You
know, these were not people who

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could talk for an hour had
something to say for an hour, or

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felt that they were interesting
enough to do anything for an

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hour. But when it's Hey, ma'am,
I'm Pete. Here's some cool

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tunes. I really liked man listen
to this boom. That opens up

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possibilities for a whole new
category of podcasting, which

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Dave Jones: Agreed? Yes. Agreed.
Totally. I mean, the so Alex

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said this, that we shouldn't be
building this into the payment

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protocol. I agree with that.
That's I'm sorry, we shouldn't

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want like the whole requests
thing. They shouldn't be in the

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protocol for the payments in a I
agree with that. I'm thinking

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more along the lines like it
shouldn't be baked you you're

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mixing stuff together so you
know we had the actions or like

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boost stream or auto Yeah, which
those makes it these are all

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payment related functions.

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Adam Curry: Oh, I see. I see
what you're saying. Yeah, okay.

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Dave Jones: yeah, you're you're
crossing the streams which is

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and I agree with that. Like I'm
thinking more along the lines of

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something that's like you know,
so like the request itself or

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the message itself would contain
this structured data so I don't

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know what we'll figure out it
will work yeah will work I mean,

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just make it makes ballin but

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Adam Curry: it's a it's a board
meeting with just spit ball and

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Baby baby knows with no one's
moved to motion we're all good.

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Take I don't have a PowerPoint.
So yeah, I hope to have that

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going within a week or so. As
soon as I have some some imaging

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and some booster gram balls to
Adam gareeb

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Dave Jones: The see that you
still blown my mind that as you

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do. I never knew that. Like,
like, because I always thought

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that song was super stupid.

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Adam Curry: That's why I got you
to laugh for like a real belly

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laugh for a moment there when I
said it to you. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: The Yes. I think
it's general it's just time to

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start putting all the pieces
together. Because we've got tons

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of pieces now. And it's time to
start kind of wiring them up.

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Yes, like Because? Because I
went back started working a

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little bit on on MK Ultra today.
I didn't have much didn't have

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much time today. But I started I
want to get my hits. I've been

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in dashboard mode for a while.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. By the way,
can I if I can just say go ahead

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go to the dashboard for the
podcast index. I've actually

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used it a couple of times
successfully now to help people.

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There was one that I screwed up
royally. That was the lovely

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lady who who had four shows and
then Carolyn was telling me what

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to delete and it was the wrong
ones believe me. I deleted the

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wrong ones. I'm sure of it.
Yeah,

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Dave Jones: I went back there
and fixed it. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: that was that was
that was quite a nightmare. She

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had all different feeds and some
were right and some were wrong.

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And she had multiple entries
that one I I'm sorry, I just

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lost it on that one.

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Dave Jones: Well, I mean, some
of the some of those are so and

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plus you are her writing style
was so difficult to understand.

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Adam Curry: not native English
speaker, I thought, right? Sure

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she's South American or
something.

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Dave Jones: Those are the
instances where you're like,

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Nancy, Brenda do the Dashboard.
Once you probably get into the

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Adam Curry: and I appreciate
that. But I've had people say,

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you know, delete refresh, a good
refresh to successful refresh or

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like, Hey, how come my show
hasn't updated? You go look,

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last entry 2021? Well, you know,
when, you know, when you don't

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update, then we kind of push it
down to the bottom of the list.

439
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:35,310
And so you know, I won't kick
you manually now. Is that okay?

440
00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:38,010
That's cool. That makes sense.
And I did it. And that happened

441
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:41,490
right away. It was it was, it
was nice. It was it was a

442
00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:43,320
beautiful moment, beautiful
moment, he

443
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,230
Dave Jones: would tell me what's
Alright, since we're on

444
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:49,800
dashboard talk, tell me what's
missing, or what you think you

445
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,110
still need. Before before I get
away from dashboard and get back

446
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:55,800
to MK Ultra.

447
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,850
Adam Curry: So the, one of the
main and this was the thing that

448
00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:06,510
confused me, where I think the
merge function, I haven't quite

449
00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:10,200
had an opportunity to use that
yet. But there's people who

450
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:18,090
will. So here's, it's like,
Okay, here's my, here's my feed.

451
00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:22,620
And it's wrong in the index, you
know, this is, it's just wrong,

452
00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:26,100
whatever that is a going and you
look and you see that on the

453
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:32,100
current on their new feed, let's
say it's Buzzsprout. The entry

454
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:36,150
in the dashboard will show their
old feed, which could be a cast

455
00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:42,720
or something else. And if I hit
a refresh, or a scan, I actually

456
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,500
have set a reset, which, which,
as I understand it, scans the

457
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:50,160
whole thing all over again, all
the metadata. That doesn't

458
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,830
actually happen. Or maybe it
happens, but it's not showing in

459
00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:55,890
the dashboard, because I would
expect the new feed to show up

460
00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:57,180
in the feed area.

461
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,430
Dave Jones: Does that make
sense? I'm struggling to fair,

462
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:07,050
Adam Curry: I'm gonna have to
show you an example. But also,

463
00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:09,150
it's nice that you're talking
about a mortgage on that

464
00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:12,390
merging, not a merge now not a
merge. Reset I that was

465
00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:16,860
confusing. Yeah. So someone will
say my podcast is showing the

466
00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:22,530
wrong feed. And it's, it's
clearly getting an update from

467
00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:27,060
the new feed. But in the
dashboard, and on the website,

468
00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:31,260
the feed icon links to the old
feed, and when I hit reset, it

469
00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:34,470
doesn't appear to reset that
feed field. Does that make

470
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:34,890
sense?

471
00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:42,480
Dave Jones: Oh, I see. So you're
Oh, after the merge, forget to

472
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,200
merge. Sorry. I

473
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,830
Adam Curry: said merge, no merge
unlocked. We're not merging, get

474
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:51,090
out of get out of merge. Not
merging, merging, merging,

475
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:57,360
single entry. Someone says, My
podcast has the wrong feed

476
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,990
listed. I'm gonna go in wrong
Feed URL, yes, when I go into

477
00:28:00,990 --> 00:28:04,920
the dashboard, right, I can
actually search by their new

478
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,390
feed, and it will bring up their
podcast from the news feed. But

479
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:13,050
the old feed is in the feed URL
field.

480
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,630
Dave Jones: Okay. And even when

481
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:18,840
Adam Curry: I hit reset, it does
doesn't appear to actually

482
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,610
repopulate that with a new feed.

483
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:23,549
Dave Jones: Okay, I know what
that is. So a bug that I find a

484
00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:25,950
Adam Curry: bug. Come on

485
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:29,520
Dave Jones: now. Gray Area, it's
a gray area. It's a gray area.

486
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:36,240
So what in the in the index?
Every feed has two properties.

487
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:40,650
It's got a feed URL. And it's
got something called original

488
00:28:40,650 --> 00:28:45,270
Feed URL. And so when a feed
moves from one place to another,

489
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,140
it's like a FIFO, like a first
in first out it always your

490
00:28:49,170 --> 00:28:54,570
whatever the feed URL now is. So
like if somebody moves from

491
00:28:54,570 --> 00:29:00,480
Buzzsprout to rss.com, their
current Feed URL, in a perfect

492
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,490
world, their perfect their
current Feed URL would be

493
00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:08,220
rss.com, their original Feed URL
would be Buzzsprout. Right? So

494
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:13,170
that way, if people are trying
to find it, they'll both return

495
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,310
the same feed. So if somebody
moves and somebody in but

496
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:21,180
somebody still hasn't caught the
memo yet, and they're searching

497
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:25,470
by the old feed, Jarrell, it'll
stop. Correct. Ah, okay. I

498
00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:28,920
gotcha. So when you're searching
by the old but who no matter

499
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,210
which feed you are, are you so
just resetting the feed is not

500
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:39,930
going to change the feed URL in
that scenario? What we need is

501
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,590
Adam Curry: true it also doesn't
good it so it also doesn't reset

502
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:48,420
the feed URL on the on the
website or I guess the API.

503
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:52,770
Dave Jones: Right. So what all
is a scan just says kick off a

504
00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:58,080
new scan for new episodes. Yep,
got it. Reset. Does this

505
00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:04,620
sequence of events it If it sets
the last modified time and the E

506
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:11,610
tag to blank, it removes all of
the episodes that we know about

507
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:18,810
from the database. And then it
removes a bunch of cash hashing.

508
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:23,130
And then it says, Then it says
rescan. So basically it

509
00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:27,750
essentially, for it, it's
essentially like saying, okay,

510
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:30,660
index, forget everything you
know about this feed and go grab

511
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:36,690
a fresh copy, right? That will
know, in no scenario, will that

512
00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:41,850
change the feed URL. Okay, so
the so what we need here is if

513
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:46,380
somebody says, hey, my feed URL
is wrong, we need a sec, we need

514
00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:50,160
that feed URL area to be
editable. So you can go in there

515
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,730
and change it. Yeah, so I need
to I need to add that feature.

516
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:58,169
Adam Curry: Yes. Okay. All
right. scissoring, gray area?

517
00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:04,320
Dave Jones: Yes, I have a. Okay,
having that as an action plan.

518
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:05,940
Alright, feed.

519
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,190
Adam Curry: Because that's what
that's what confused me. Well,

520
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:14,010
just didn't understand that. So
I'd say oh, wait a minute. So

521
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,120
this is responding from the
right new feed. All everything

522
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,370
showing the episodes are
showing, but it would have the

523
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,540
old feed in there. And I'm like,
that's wrong. Now I understand

524
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:26,760
what I was looking, I was
misinterpreting what I was

525
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,480
looking at.

526
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,260
Dave Jones: Well, this whole
thing is just a symptom of the

527
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:39,030
bigger problem, which is, which
is Apple's presence in this in

528
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:39,900
the podcast?

529
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,780
Adam Curry: Well, let's, let's
talk about that. Or do you want

530
00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:47,340
to go to MK Ultra, because
there, you got pissed off. And I

531
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:49,740
love and I love it when I see a
motion from you, honey.

532
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:53,640
Dave Jones: I mean, I'm
typically a zombie.

533
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:59,490
Adam Curry: No, you're, you're
the calmest most chill, dude. I

534
00:31:59,490 --> 00:32:04,260
know, I think yeah, I would say
you always approach things with

535
00:32:04,260 --> 00:32:09,810
love and compassion, and
understanding and empathy. And

536
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,620
when when you're not like that,
it gets my attention.

537
00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:18,900
Dave Jones: Cridland accused me
of a baffling abuse of power,

538
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:19,710
quote unquote.

539
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:22,020
Adam Curry: Yeah, that that, to
that?

540
00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:27,000
Dave Jones: It didn't piss me
off. I just, I would just rather

541
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,440
reserve terms like baffling
abuse of power for like

542
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,740
government corruption. Yeah. And
like war crimes.

543
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:39,390
Adam Curry: Bombs. I think
cluster bombs is a little closer

544
00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:40,050
to the

545
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:45,030
Dave Jones: you were just
talking about podcasts. I don't

546
00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:49,020
know that that's justified. But
But what if that's, that's fine.

547
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:52,980
But rhetoric rhetoric aside, it
was a fair criticism. I mean,

548
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:57,480
like I, I, I get angry and I
just in a change something and I

549
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,170
should have I should have talked
it out first, because? Because

550
00:33:01,170 --> 00:33:04,020
there are because apps are
dependent on the index. And also

551
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:06,930
if it doesn't affect just me,
it's not it's not up to me, it's

552
00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:12,480
up to this board meeting for a
reason. So no, he is. He was

553
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,690
right in that in that regard. So
but, but I mean, more so than

554
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:22,200
talking about the reason that
the feed URLs are so screwed up,

555
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600
and all that kind of stuff. This
all goes back to the same thing.

556
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,680
Yeah, apples, apples gray.
They've been great in a lot of

557
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,330
ways. But they have really,
their presence within the

558
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,720
ecosystem really effed up a lot
of stuff. And I don't know how

559
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,700
that's disputable. I mean, so,
in this scenario, what happened

560
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:47,670
was pod verse Colliver pod
verse, I think it's, I think

561
00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:51,390
it's Mitch, his brother. He sent
he does their admin stuff. And

562
00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:55,560
he sent me a message and said,
he forwarded me an email. And it

563
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,690
was an email from one of their
users from one of their patrons

564
00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:04,710
and said, Hey, I'm trying to
find this podcast on pod verse

565
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:09,150
and I can't find it. And it was
bitter blood. Case versus case

566
00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:12,990
like some kind of Casey case,
some family drama podcast, okay,

567
00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:17,910
cool. From ot from Audible, it's
like an audible original. So

568
00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:23,490
it's got a public RSS feed. It
doesn't look like a private

569
00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:27,930
feed. Like, it doesn't have the
hallmarks of like, some sort of,

570
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:30,150
like members only feed or
something like that, you know,

571
00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:34,320
it just looks like a normal
feed. And so I'm like, Well, why

572
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,820
is this thing not showing up?
And cause cuz I go in there, and

573
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:39,870
it's in the index.

574
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,340
Adam Curry: I see it. I'm
looking at it right now.

575
00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:43,080
6072109.

576
00:34:43,469 --> 00:34:47,249
Dave Jones: Right. But it's
dead. It showed up as dead. So

577
00:34:47,249 --> 00:34:51,149
it was not visible within the
API. Local. That's odd, because

578
00:34:51,149 --> 00:34:56,219
so that should only happen if I
kill something manually, or if

579
00:34:56,219 --> 00:35:00,719
it's got a block tag. So I go
look at the feed XML and it's

580
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,499
got a block tag, block, iTunes
colon block. Yes. That was, this

581
00:35:07,499 --> 00:35:14,159
is weird. There's so I'm like,
Okay, well, why? Why would why

582
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,039
would it be this way? So I go
and look in Apple's directory,

583
00:35:17,279 --> 00:35:22,409
and it's there. It's there. And
it's in Spotify. And it's in

584
00:35:22,409 --> 00:35:26,399
listen notes, and it's in
downcast. And it's evidently

585
00:35:26,399 --> 00:35:30,359
been there. And I'm like, Okay,
well, so and so now there's a

586
00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:31,589
situation where,

587
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,620
Adam Curry: why it's so the
block tag is not working even

588
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:40,650
for the literal. The literal
interpretation of iTunes block.

589
00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:44,520
Yes, the editor and everyone
else is ignoring it to

590
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,050
Dave Jones: it. That's the way
it seems, is. So a little bit of

591
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:57,810
side note here. We've got
questions out to Audible. And

592
00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:02,760
Apple, about what is going on
with this particular feed,

593
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,090
because this is indicative of a
bigger issue. I'm not going to

594
00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:12,990
say that it's widespread and
like, huge, but this happens on

595
00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:17,790
a frequent enough basis that I
see feeds that have iTunes block

596
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:24,240
that have the iTunes block tag
set to yes. And Apple still

597
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,160
continues to list them. So James
came back and suggested that

598
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,110
they this was audible. Perhaps
he didn't say this definitively.

599
00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:39,480
He said, I don't know. But
perhaps audible set this iTunes

600
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,160
block tag to yes. But then went
into Apple's dashboard, the

601
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,870
Apple podcast or connect
dashboard, and told it to list

602
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:51,840
anyway, somehow, I don't know,
I've never been in that

603
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,850
dashboard. I don't know anything
about it. I don't even know if

604
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:59,370
that's possible. But whatever.
That's one theory. So here, so

605
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,440
if that's the case, whatever the
case is, really, what we have is

606
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:13,080
a system now, where you have
podcast feeds that? Well, let me

607
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,800
let me back up for a second. The
reason I got the reason I got

608
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:25,140
pissed off is you suddenly begin
to be aware in a situation like

609
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:28,050
this, that, that there's a game
going on that you weren't

610
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:34,470
invited to. And that game is
this weird interaction of the

611
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:39,870
podcast ecosystem with the
iTunes namespace. So the iTunes

612
00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:45,030
needs somebody somewhere, thinks
that putting a blog tag in their

613
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:51,030
feed, does something and
somebody somewhere else doesn't

614
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:52,230
think that that's the case?

615
00:37:52,530 --> 00:37:55,680
Adam Curry: Well, a lot of
somebody's apparently. Right.

616
00:37:55,739 --> 00:38:00,749
Dave Jones: So and let me be
more specific. The iTunes

617
00:38:00,749 --> 00:38:07,049
namespace is an app is an
accident. The way it's being

618
00:38:07,049 --> 00:38:12,779
used in the podcast world is
law. Is is Apple came up with

619
00:38:12,779 --> 00:38:17,909
this with the podcast namespace
in order for their prod, what

620
00:38:17,909 --> 00:38:22,889
they're what they did was they
gave the they gave the namespace

621
00:38:23,369 --> 00:38:26,909
documentation to the world and
said, Hey, if you want your

622
00:38:26,909 --> 00:38:32,849
podcast to function a certain
way, within Apple, here's what

623
00:38:32,849 --> 00:38:39,299
you need to do. Right? This
namespace defines the way that

624
00:38:39,299 --> 00:38:43,739
you are to write your feed in
order for it to perform certain

625
00:38:43,739 --> 00:38:47,579
functionality within Apple's
directory and Apple's podcast

626
00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:50,759
player. That's all it does.

627
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:54,660
Adam Curry: And for some reason,
there is an and this is when I

628
00:38:54,660 --> 00:39:00,660
came into the conversation,
there is this unwritten law that

629
00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,630
no no and iTunes block means
blocks, block it from all

630
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:06,720
directories, which I
fundamentally disagree with,

631
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,830
because I read the spec, and it
doesn't say that. And what Rob

632
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:14,250
would got thrown back at me is
Well, Google says that I don't

633
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:14,730
care.

634
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,479
Dave Jones: See, and that's
that's the infuriating thing

635
00:39:18,509 --> 00:39:21,749
about it. Again, why I guess so
I think that's the infuriating

636
00:39:21,749 --> 00:39:27,839
thing about this entire setup.
Is, is they're both right.

637
00:39:28,649 --> 00:39:33,539
Because Apple, Apple's iTunes
names in the iTunes namespace.

638
00:39:34,259 --> 00:39:37,829
All they only care about
themselves. They never defined

639
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:41,069
this and said this is the spec
that everybody in the podcast

640
00:39:41,069 --> 00:39:45,059
industry is supposed to use.
agreed this, this is not an open

641
00:39:45,269 --> 00:39:49,469
namespace in the sense that we
all agree that this is the thing

642
00:39:49,469 --> 00:39:52,349
that we're supposed to use and
we all get a voice that you

643
00:39:52,349 --> 00:39:55,139
should stay you should think of
the items namespace not as a

644
00:39:55,139 --> 00:40:02,249
namespace not as an open spec,
but as an A API. The iTunes

645
00:40:02,249 --> 00:40:06,839
namespace is the API that you
use to control

646
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:08,940
Adam Curry: to control how
certain things work within the

647
00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:10,890
iTunes within the Apple
ecosystem

648
00:40:10,889 --> 00:40:14,099
Dave Jones: within the Apple
ecosystem. They never guaranteed

649
00:40:14,129 --> 00:40:17,339
anybody that it would work any
other way with anybody else's

650
00:40:17,339 --> 00:40:17,909
platform

651
00:40:17,909 --> 00:40:21,419
Adam Curry: question, why do we
block something that has the

652
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,679
iTunes block in it then?

653
00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:26,640
Dave Jones: Because that's the
issue that's in that's the part

654
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,630
that James is talking about is
everybody else has adopted the

655
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:35,610
iTunes namespace to mean to have
certain functionality applicable

656
00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:40,470
to them? And so they said, okay,
because there was nothing else

657
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:44,220
we didn't exist. The podcast
namespace didn't exist. In the

658
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:47,850
iTunes namespace was the only
game in town by the biggest most

659
00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:51,420
dominant player in the industry,
it became

660
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,989
Adam Curry: law. Well, clearly
it clearly it didn't, because

661
00:40:54,989 --> 00:40:59,879
you said that there were four
other platforms that ingested

662
00:40:59,879 --> 00:41:01,979
this and ignored the block tag,

663
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,400
Dave Jones: including Apple
themselves, including, well, we

664
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:05,640
don't

665
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,700
Adam Curry: so we don't actually
know why that why Apple ignored

666
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,700
that or if it was a setting that
change, but there's a there's a

667
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:16,290
more fundamental issue here. So
now we have a namespace three

668
00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:21,390
years old. The namespace is an
open namespace that lots of

669
00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:25,890
people contribute to it. Apple
has recognized it by verbally

670
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:30,000
recognized it when it comes to
the TX T tag, although that's

671
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,460
wishy washy at this point, I'm
not quite sure exactly where

672
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:39,870
we're at. But what I took what I
take issue with is I have in the

673
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:46,320
podcasting 2.0 feed as part of
our namespace, which we declare

674
00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:52,740
I have on my bring it up here I
have podcast block, Apple, yes.

675
00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:56,940
Podcast block, Spotify. Yes.
Podcast block, Amazon. Yes.

676
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Right. And Apple ingested that
feed. I didn't put it in there.

677
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080
I don't know who put it in
there. But it's in it's in

678
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,540
apple. So they ignore our
namespace. Right, right. That's

679
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:17,970
when so okay, you can be you can
be that way. But when the the

680
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:23,460
reason that is given is well,
only 0.3% of the world

681
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:27,510
recognizes the name of the block
tag from the podcast namespace.

682
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:34,740
That's a bullshit reasoning.
They Apple should play nice. And

683
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:41,220
if you know that, I just that
the it goes back to the whole

684
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:44,490
reason we started this day was
because people were sucking

685
00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:49,290
apples srong that's why nothing
ever got done. We they were

686
00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:54,570
treated as the as the owners of
podcasting, and they're not. We

687
00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:57,090
have to make a stand with a
couple of things.

688
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,490
Dave Jones: No, I agree with
you. And the the issue here is

689
00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:06,690
that since Apple's since the
iTunes namespace was the

690
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:14,400
dominant thing for so long,
hosting companies decided it and

691
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,650
justifiably, justifiably. So
hosting companies took it to

692
00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:24,120
mean Zeiss, Zeiss, and I've
spoken with them, they think

693
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:31,200
they think that the iTunes block
tag is a universal signal that

694
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,570
everyone is going to respect or
should respect. The iTunes

695
00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:41,580
blocked tag to not list a feed
in their directory. And I can

696
00:43:41,610 --> 00:43:45,360
understand perfectly why they
think that for reasons we just

697
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:52,710
went into as a problem is that
Apple, like I said earlier,

698
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:56,820
Apple never designed it that
way. And because there is a

699
00:43:56,820 --> 00:44:01,560
mismatch of design, there's a
mismatch of intent. In Apple,

700
00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:04,830
the reason Apple doesn't respect
the podcast blog tag, is because

701
00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:07,470
they don't give a shit about the
podcast namespace. They've

702
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,860
already from their perspective,
they've already given us a way

703
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:13,650
to block things in iTunes in the
iTunes directory, correct. It's

704
00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:16,770
right there. It's the iTunes
namespace correct. But But when

705
00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:23,070
you say, Hey, Apple, I put the
iTunes block tag in my feed, and

706
00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:27,030
Spotify still listed apples like
they're like, they don't care.

707
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:29,340
Yeah, they don't talk to
Spotify. I don't give a shit.

708
00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:33,240
Like that's what they're gonna
say in the in. This is all. So

709
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:37,500
there is a fundamental mismatch
of desire and intent between the

710
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:42,720
open podcast community and the
actors within it. And Apple, the

711
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,730
most dominant player in that
community. So there is no that

712
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:52,920
is an unresolvable conflict. The
only way you resolve this is by

713
00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:58,200
creating a truly open namespace.
And that's the US are only and I

714
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,860
can't I can't help the fact like
that, it's not that it doesn't

715
00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:05,250
have wider adoption than then it
does some of these tags. I can't

716
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:10,260
help that at all. But I can
actually see, my issue is, okay.

717
00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:16,350
There's something here, whether
it's a bug, or Okay, let's say

718
00:45:16,350 --> 00:45:22,560
that Jay did James's supposition
is correct, is his possible

719
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,400
scenario where there's a thing
inside Apple where you can say,

720
00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:30,270
I'm gonna set iTunes blocked to
Yes, in my feed, but I'm gonna

721
00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:33,420
go in and tell Apple itself to
somehow override that enlisted

722
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:36,990
anyway. Okay? Now you've you've,
you're not even you're not open

723
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:40,920
anymore. This year, you've now
set up a scenario where you have

724
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,590
special disposition to mate to,
to override feed level

725
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:51,000
visibility. You've, you've said
in your feed, here's, here's the

726
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,780
thing I want. But you've gone
into a private API and said,

727
00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:59,190
Here's how you can, here's what
I really want, right. And in

728
00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:01,740
that scenario, we're now no
longer talking about open

729
00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:05,610
podcasting, we're talking about
private API's that can control

730
00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:09,090
things that that the feed itself
says are not true. And this is

731
00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:11,490
what I was talking about with
the good with the robots dot txt

732
00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:14,910
file. If I put a robots dot txt
file on it that blocks Google,

733
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:19,260
and then I go try to go into
Google's Admin Tools, they're

734
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:22,560
gonna say, hey, and make sure
that something shows up. They're

735
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,990
gonna be like, hey, you need to
go change your robots. txt file,

736
00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:26,040
because you're blocking us,

737
00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:27,630
Adam Curry: right? The way it
should

738
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,260
Dave Jones: run, because they're
playing by open standards in

739
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:37,620
this scenario, and unlike, okay,
if, if, if we're competing now,

740
00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:43,320
with a whole bunch of platforms
that have private API's that we

741
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,940
don't have access to. My only
option is either to create

742
00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:51,930
another private API, which is
completely contrary to all of

743
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:56,970
our ideals and the reason we
exist, amen. Or to just say, you

744
00:46:56,970 --> 00:47:00,930
know, what, our apps that depend
on us are getting penalized,

745
00:47:01,290 --> 00:47:05,070
because you're not playing by
the Open spec of podcasting. And

746
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:07,350
I'm not going to play a play
along with it either.

747
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:11,129
Adam Curry: What's, what the
ultimately interesting thing to

748
00:47:11,129 --> 00:47:16,379
know is what is the creator's
intent, and I'm all for respect

749
00:47:16,409 --> 00:47:21,119
the creator's wishes. So was the
creator's intent to block it

750
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:27,479
from just Apple or all all
platforms? That is the one thing

751
00:47:27,479 --> 00:47:30,029
we need to know that's the
missing piece of information

752
00:47:30,029 --> 00:47:30,359
here?

753
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:33,330
Dave Jones: Yes. What was the
we're trying to figure out?

754
00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:35,730
Yeah. Because I mean, we're
actually sending emails trying

755
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:38,400
to figure this out. Because it
because it may

756
00:47:38,429 --> 00:47:41,249
Adam Curry: is reading is, is we
the entire staff and management

757
00:47:41,249 --> 00:47:43,919
of podcasting two point, I just
want to make sure who we is

758
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Dave Jones: Executive
Administrator with

759
00:47:48,029 --> 00:47:50,789
Adam Curry: your admin, yes,
your admin is all over it. Yes.

760
00:47:50,789 --> 00:47:51,599
Okay. Yeah.

761
00:47:51,629 --> 00:47:55,919
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. She's
crackerjack. She's all over. But

762
00:47:56,159 --> 00:48:00,359
there's people may hear this
discussion and think this is

763
00:48:00,359 --> 00:48:01,499
like a tempest in a teapot.

764
00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:03,840
Adam Curry: No, it's very
important. It's I think it's

765
00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:07,860
critically important and I feel
that now Apple may not care, but

766
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:13,740
I want them to know that I have
made my my Creator wishes known.

767
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,580
That is clearly there, if they
wish to ignore it. Okay.

768
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:23,310
Understood. Now, how something
how's our feed? That, that I own

769
00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:28,440
that my, my email address is a
and how that got imported into

770
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,190
Apple is a mystery to me.
Because I'm not sure you can

771
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:38,220
actually do that. That's simply
but okay. It's it's interesting

772
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:44,400
that it's in there. But that we
have the open podcast namespace.

773
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,890
This is the one that the
industry contributes to, there

774
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:52,140
are hundreds of 1000s of feeds
that declare the namespace and

775
00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:55,380
may not use all the features,
but I think the block tag was

776
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:59,670
wasn't that something that?
Hadn't Some people use that? Or

777
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:00,810
am I the only one?

778
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:03,990
Dave Jones: I don't know. I
haven't I haven't tried to do

779
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:09,120
statistics on that. Okay. I'll
Alanna, if I can't get an answer

780
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,080
this question. All I know to do
is, is just simply create a

781
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,990
whitelist and say, here, that
I'm, I'm in general going to

782
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:26,070
respect the tag, because there's
a lot of hosting companies that

783
00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:26,760
I know

784
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:30,630
Adam Curry: that see it that way
that publish as as a block as a

785
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,190
universal block. Yeah.

786
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,549
Dave Jones: And I don't want to
kneecap them, but could they I

787
00:49:35,549 --> 00:49:39,149
don't, but, but I would advocate
in the background for them to

788
00:49:39,149 --> 00:49:40,559
also adopt the podcast block.

789
00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:42,510
Adam Curry: Exactly. That's what
I'm saying. I think that would

790
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:44,100
that would be the way to go.

791
00:49:45,179 --> 00:49:48,089
Dave Jones: And the because you
know and try to move the needle

792
00:49:48,089 --> 00:49:55,829
on that. Because it is it is
helpful. Let me let me finish

793
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:59,969
that because in this scenario,
if I can't get an answer to it

794
00:50:00,329 --> 00:50:05,879
In the whole world seems to
allow this tag, excuse me allow

795
00:50:05,879 --> 00:50:11,429
this feed to come through.
Except, except us. All that does

796
00:50:11,429 --> 00:50:16,199
is penalize the apps. So there
may be what about the feed? This

797
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,799
somebody really wants, and they
sweat, you know, and they were a

798
00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:22,619
downcast user and they had it
there and they switch to pod

799
00:50:22,619 --> 00:50:25,499
verse, and now they can get it.
It has nothing to impart it's

800
00:50:25,499 --> 00:50:29,789
not pod versus fall. No, no, no.
It's because as because downcast

801
00:50:29,789 --> 00:50:34,289
uses Apple's directory, right.
And pod verse uses ours, and I

802
00:50:34,289 --> 00:50:39,329
don't see why that I don't see
why they shouldn't get screwed

803
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:43,379
in that deal. No. So you know,
in this scenario, when there,

804
00:50:43,409 --> 00:50:46,259
maybe it's a short list, maybe
it's 20 of these feeds that

805
00:50:46,259 --> 00:50:47,219
exist. I don't know, we

806
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:50,520
Adam Curry: just, we just need
to know what the deal is. Right?

807
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:51,030
And

808
00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:55,049
Dave Jones: I mean, the having a
blog tag is okay, because there

809
00:50:55,049 --> 00:50:59,009
are private thieves out there
log members only fade and it's

810
00:50:59,009 --> 00:51:03,809
messy, and I'm okay with having
some sort of blog tag it to give

811
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:09,029
a signal because we don't have a
better way to do it. But, and,

812
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,819
you know, HTTP basic
authentication is this whole

813
00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:15,929
thing is a mess. Honestly, sure.
Is. The whole thing is screwed

814
00:51:15,929 --> 00:51:19,589
up. If we have this screwed up
system anyway, I mean, like

815
00:51:19,619 --> 00:51:23,759
this, this is like you're just
adding lipstick on a pig at this

816
00:51:23,759 --> 00:51:28,289
point. But But I mean, I don't
that that's that's kind of where

817
00:51:28,289 --> 00:51:31,709
I'm where I'm standing on it
now. And I really will I need an

818
00:51:31,709 --> 00:51:36,329
answer to this question. And
I've put James's reached out to

819
00:51:36,389 --> 00:51:40,859
everybody. I've reached out
through a contact of mine

820
00:51:40,889 --> 00:51:44,759
through another third party who
knows somebody in Amazon and I'm

821
00:51:44,759 --> 00:51:47,549
trying to get answers to these
questions so that I know how to

822
00:51:47,549 --> 00:51:51,629
proceed and if they if it comes
back of, well, I don't even know

823
00:51:51,629 --> 00:51:54,479
why that's in there. Well, then
I'm seriously I'm just going to

824
00:51:54,479 --> 00:51:57,869
create a whitelist and just
start these when feeds fall into

825
00:51:57,869 --> 00:51:59,609
this category. I'm just gonna
start sticking them in the list

826
00:51:59,609 --> 00:52:03,149
and say, we're, we're ignoring
this tag for these feeds. Right.

827
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,249
Okay. Now, I don't know anything
else. I don't know what else to

828
00:52:05,249 --> 00:52:05,519
do.

829
00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:09,210
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm big. I
did get when you're so resolute.

830
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:13,230
This that's me resin. But that
but there is also something to

831
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:17,070
be said for the podcast industry
to universe and this would be

832
00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:21,000
this is a good one to do
universally support the podcast,

833
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,930
namespace block tag. So their
customers when creating fields,

834
00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:28,890
they can make a choice and make
their choice known to the world

835
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:30,690
so that everybody understands
it.

836
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:36,540
Dave Jones: Agree. Yeah, I
agree. And and I can, you know,

837
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:41,400
I've said before, one of the
most difficult parts of this job

838
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:47,190
as far as you know, as far as
the podcast namespace is

839
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:50,490
concerned, the podcasting 2.0
side of things, is it is not

840
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:54,030
just code, it's code and then a
bunch of a bunch of zoom

841
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:57,330
meetings with people and stuff
like that trend. You have to be

842
00:52:57,330 --> 00:53:01,680
a coder and an evangelist. And
the evangelism part is hard and

843
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,480
exhausting. And so that I tend
to not do it as much as I

844
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,160
should. So I should be beating
the bushes and saying, Hey, this

845
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,650
tag is screwed up, use the
podcast namespace bog tag

846
00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:17,070
instead. Right? Right, please.
Please, at least add it beside

847
00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:18,000
the other. Yes.

848
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,990
Adam Curry: All right. Well,
since we're on Apple, let's, uh,

849
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,050
more bring up another topic,
which you and I disagree on.

850
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:29,730
Really? Yeah, we do. Get you
even said we disagree on this.

851
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,540
And this is why the value for
value you're

852
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:34,320
Dave Jones: wrong and clearly.

853
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,920
Adam Curry: Well, this is the
conversation about why the value

854
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,980
for value podcast apps have not
been tagged or flagged by

855
00:53:47,010 --> 00:53:51,960
Apple's App Store for their
violation of their guidelines.

856
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:57,990
And if I can summarize, I would
say that your view is Apple was

857
00:53:57,990 --> 00:54:00,210
giving us a break. And

858
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:13,590
now, okay, I'll read summarize.
Your view is because they're in

859
00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:19,140
the space, they are cautious to
kick apps out for antitrust

860
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:19,800
issues.

861
00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:26,880
Dave Jones: Yes, because book
book there. I think they feel

862
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,110
comfortable kicking Nasir out
because not because they because

863
00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:35,190
Apple does not have a
monetization strategy in the

864
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:39,210
social networking sphere. But
they do have a monetization

865
00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:44,760
strategy in the podcasts sphere.
So they if they kick out value

866
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,370
for value podcast apps, it looks
like a conflict of interest.

867
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,270
Adam Curry: Okay, so that is
your position. Yes. And others

868
00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:58,290
have have wondered out loud
Well, if noster apps are being

869
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,060
being tagged and filled I have
to remove zap functionality.

870
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:08,790
It's curious that the podcasts
value for value apps aren't

871
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,970
receiving the same treatment.
And I want to reset everybody's

872
00:55:14,970 --> 00:55:21,930
mind for a moment. Because it's
apples and oranges zaps on a

873
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:28,260
social network is nowhere near
value for value streaming

874
00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:32,880
payments or booster grams. In a
podcast app, it is two

875
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,330
completely different animals,
the only thing that is the same

876
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,470
is the Lightning Network and
Satoshis. That's the only thing.

877
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:45,720
And if you read the guidelines,
and I made a study of this,

878
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,930
because this is this is one of
the most important things in my

879
00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:55,200
life, it is my life right now.
That that this system keeps

880
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,430
functioning because I have lived
by this value for value system

881
00:55:59,430 --> 00:56:04,290
for 16 years, I have not taken a
single penny from any corporate

882
00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:08,190
company, any advertiser, not a
share. I'm not I'm not an

883
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:11,850
advisor, and nothing, nothing,
it's only been what people have

884
00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:16,500
sent and mainly on no agenda
through PayPal. And this was the

885
00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:20,670
the upgrade the solidification
of the entire system. Because

886
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:24,930
you know, as we know from PayPal
pocalypse PayPal is a very weak

887
00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:28,980
link in the in the process. And
obviously Bitcoin, the Lightning

888
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:32,580
Network, fulfill some of the
sense of anti censorship part.

889
00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:39,300
But the guidelines for Apple
clearly state that you can tip

890
00:56:39,690 --> 00:56:45,870
or donate to a creator. I
believe there's a huge

891
00:56:45,870 --> 00:56:53,100
distinction and difference
between a post calling that

892
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:56,250
something from a creator, you
can really start to get it this

893
00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:59,310
is why I've never liked the term
creator. Because yeah, you know,

894
00:56:59,310 --> 00:57:02,070
I took a shit and I took a
picture of it. I'm a creator,

895
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:09,180
you know, a post, which someone
then zaps that post, as they

896
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:14,010
said, in their argumentation to
damos. They said, that can be

897
00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:20,250
used as a quid pro quo. So hey,
if I'm an influencer, and I post

898
00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:23,760
something about your company,
you will then zap that post.

899
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,420
That is completely different
from value for value. Besides

900
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:33,900
the name as it implies, and the
entire we've published, what

901
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:39,030
value for value is it's time
talent, treasure, it's returning

902
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:41,700
value that you feel you've
received from the entire

903
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:46,320
product, there is almost it's
almost unthinkable that someone

904
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:52,140
would do an entire podcast for a
quid pro quo for your booster

905
00:57:52,140 --> 00:58:02,070
gram. And the the whole system
is set up and named in a very,

906
00:58:02,070 --> 00:58:05,910
very different manner. And very,
if you look at the guidelines,

907
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:12,510
it's so exact and spot on, right
down to its name, that it's just

908
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:16,410
not the same thing. And I think
Apple recognizes that now. Is

909
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:20,670
there a tinge of hey, if
anything, I think that they're

910
00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:25,620
afraid. They're afraid if they
were to to stop this system,

911
00:58:26,430 --> 00:58:29,910
that they could lose market
share in the podcasting apps,

912
00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:34,260
app sphere, people would revolt
and that that can happen. I

913
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:37,500
think we're way too far down the
road for them to start kicking

914
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:41,160
value for value podcast apps out
of the system, but it's not for

915
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,030
anti competitive reasons. As you
said earlier, as we agree, they

916
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:48,030
don't give a shit about anybody
else. Apple does not give a shit

917
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:52,140
about you, me, the podcast names
based podcasting, they don't

918
00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:55,710
care about anything. They care
about Apple. They they're

919
00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:59,610
they're not giving anybody a
break or leniency. And I hate

920
00:58:59,610 --> 00:59:03,210
hearing that, because that makes
me very nervous. If that were

921
00:59:03,210 --> 00:59:06,480
true, then they can wake up one
morning and say they could do

922
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,720
that anyway, obviously, they
could wake up and say, Screw

923
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,000
these guys don't like him
anymore. So the one where we

924
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,210
have to be this, this will be
going back three years in time

925
00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:16,800
all let's be nice to Apple.

926
00:59:17,489 --> 00:59:20,669
Dave Jones: Oh, no, I, hey,
we're on the same page with

927
00:59:20,669 --> 00:59:25,169
that. I mean, this is not that.
When I say that, that when I say

928
00:59:25,169 --> 00:59:27,839
that? That was my feeling. It's
not as Donald say that out of

929
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:28,289
hope.

930
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:31,890
Adam Curry: No, I know, I know
that our citizens know that. But

931
00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:37,110
I want I want it to be known
that the value for value is so

932
00:59:37,110 --> 00:59:41,010
far removed from what noster is
doing. And in addition, in

933
00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:45,030
addition, the splits the value
splits is has created an

934
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:49,890
ecosystem that is recognized as
not something that you know Kim

935
00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:56,190
Kardashian is ever going to use
this and this is this is and I

936
00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:59,010
believe that it's true the
social networking aspect of

937
00:59:59,010 --> 01:00:05,190
noster With zaps, is completely
open to a payment system for

938
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:08,880
digital assets. Hey, man, I'll
post this right now. Boom,

939
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,750
there's a zap. That's not how
podcasts work. Podcast, don't

940
01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:18,750
you don't just whip up a podcast
episode. podcast episodes are

941
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:23,760
value created in advance and
people can value that back. It's

942
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,180
not the same as a post that was
done a nostril? Do we agree on

943
01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:27,540
that?

944
01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:34,320
Dave Jones: I mean, I agree. I
guess the question is, does

945
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,460
anybody else, you know, the
people that they get to make

946
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:39,120
decisions?

947
01:00:39,389 --> 01:00:42,599
Adam Curry: Well, okay, anybody
mystery? Yeah, of course,

948
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:45,509
anybody can can change. They can
change their guidelines tomorrow

949
01:00:45,509 --> 01:00:48,599
if they want. But more
importantly, I want everyone to

950
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:53,849
see value for value as something
much bigger than a payment

951
01:00:53,849 --> 01:00:57,599
system, which is why, you know,
when there's when there's a

952
01:00:58,439 --> 01:01:01,649
suggestion, saying, Hey, we can
just do this with dollars now.

953
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:05,579
No, it's, it's not even about
dollars, it's about value

954
01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:10,109
received value returned. It's a
programming format. It's not

955
01:01:10,109 --> 01:01:16,049
just a payment system. It's a
it's a philosophy. It's, it's a

956
01:01:16,049 --> 01:01:22,469
model for doing a podcast, not
expect to get paid for it, but

957
01:01:22,469 --> 01:01:25,769
to be doing it because you're
receiving value for what you

958
01:01:25,769 --> 01:01:30,689
did. And that can be a nice
note, it can be someone creating

959
01:01:30,689 --> 01:01:33,749
some art for you, someone
creating a jingle, someone's

960
01:01:33,749 --> 01:01:38,099
sending you an email that you
can use in your program. It is a

961
01:01:38,099 --> 01:01:43,979
modern content format, that
includes a monetary value

962
01:01:43,979 --> 01:01:49,049
mechanism as one of the options.
It's way beyond a, it's not like

963
01:01:49,049 --> 01:01:52,859
advertising. It's just not it's
not like I'm going to do this

964
01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:57,359
show. And if I just if as long
as I have a value block in my

965
01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,619
feed, I'll get paid. No, you
won't. There's an ask. There's a

966
01:02:01,619 --> 01:02:05,039
recognition, it's all spelled
out of value for value dot info,

967
01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:08,489
it's very important that people
understand that this goes way

968
01:02:08,489 --> 01:02:13,109
beyond the monetary aspect. It
is, in fact, I think the saving

969
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:16,469
grace for podcast moving
forward, as everything is

970
01:02:16,469 --> 01:02:18,059
collapsing upon itself.

971
01:02:19,530 --> 01:02:23,670
Dave Jones: I wish I wish I had
clipped it. But coder radio, in

972
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:26,220
the last couple of episodes,
Chris has been talking about,

973
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,120
you know, losing an advertiser
and that kind of thing and, and

974
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,750
how they're, you know, really
going in with, with boosts, and

975
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:36,750
you're going to, you know, have
that try to make that a part of

976
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:41,100
their revenue stream. And he,
it's good to listen to the most

977
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,470
recent episode because he goes
in at the, you know, they they

978
01:02:43,470 --> 01:02:48,870
talk about you talking about the
ask, he says, you know, a, our

979
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:54,510
goal for this for each episode
is 500,000 SATs. That's what we

980
01:02:54,540 --> 01:02:57,750
would, that's what our target
is. And he tells everybody up

981
01:02:57,750 --> 01:03:01,560
front, that's, we want you to we
want you to boost and we want

982
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,520
you we are trying to achieve
500,000 sets. And at the end of

983
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,930
the episode, he said, here's how
much we actually got. Keep that

984
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:13,020
in mind for next episode. And
let's try to hit the 500,000

985
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:18,060
mark. He's He's being very open
and transparent about what he

986
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:23,910
wants his audience to do. And
then me, you know, I boosted

987
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:27,420
into the show last couple of
weeks, talking about a specific

988
01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:31,650
topic and response to something
and then Alex boosted in and in

989
01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:34,380
responding to something I said,
then I boosted back and we've

990
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,910
like, it's been this fun, back
and forth where we as the

991
01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:43,260
audience have been boosting in,
like having conversations with

992
01:03:43,260 --> 01:03:46,620
ourselves and the host at the
same time interacting all

993
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:50,610
together. And it became it's,
it's a whole it's created an

994
01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:55,830
entire little sort of show
within a show. Yes. And that's

995
01:03:55,860 --> 01:04:01,470
like that whole thing. That's my
way of saying that. I think

996
01:04:01,470 --> 01:04:05,910
you're I think you're right
about this. Is Is Boost is

997
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:09,930
boosts and booster gram going to
replace all of your advertising.

998
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:17,250
No. But what Chris is doing
ethic ism and and chyron as well

999
01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:24,660
for Mere Mortals. They are
showing, they're showing how you

1000
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:27,630
can begin to make the Trenton
like make the transition.

1001
01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:31,290
Adam Curry: I'm going to take it
one step further. I enjoyed

1002
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:35,370
hearing Christopher Lydon on the
pod news weekly review. I know

1003
01:04:35,370 --> 01:04:41,970
Chris, I remember very well when
when Dave put his radio show

1004
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,220
into into an enclosure which we
had running for three years

1005
01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:50,970
before that and we're doing all
kinds of stuff and I was able to

1006
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,540
receive it on my radio userland
and this is before I had made

1007
01:04:54,540 --> 01:04:58,290
the connection with with iPod
which is really how the you know

1008
01:04:58,290 --> 01:05:01,620
the podcasting Park came
together, okay, call it a it's

1009
01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:05,100
clearly a podcast, call it the
first podcast ever, it's fine.

1010
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:13,530
But what he still has, and he
still holds is the social

1011
01:05:13,530 --> 01:05:17,160
aspect. He has a group of
podcasters. And I guess they all

1012
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,310
listen to each other's podcast.
It's still kind of, in a way

1013
01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:24,690
like the early audio blogging,
and it's and his spoken hub

1014
01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:27,780
model, whatever he calls it, but
it's different. It's different

1015
01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:31,800
real voices that are out there.
And this was indeed, the

1016
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,250
original intent before
podcasting, but I was a part of

1017
01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:40,770
that. We got overly horribly
commercialize in its in its

1018
01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:44,820
intent. I mean, I did sound
seeing tours, I'd go out with

1019
01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:48,240
binaural microphones, and I'd
walk around Union Square at

1020
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,190
midnight and talk to the
homeless people in San

1021
01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:54,540
Francisco, and you would hear
the sounds of the streets and we

1022
01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:58,380
were doing a lot of
experimentation. But when I hear

1023
01:05:58,380 --> 01:06:00,600
Christopher Lydon saying, Hey, I
never made a penny off of

1024
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,440
podcasting, then like, yes,
bingo, that's the point.

1025
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:09,270
Podcasting, like blogging, which
went through the same cycle.

1026
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,900
It's not a thing. It's not like
getting into radio or getting

1027
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:16,560
into television. Do you have a
reason you want to communicate

1028
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,430
something and you want a
community, you want to build a

1029
01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:24,990
community that receives it, if
you are only doing this to make

1030
01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:28,260
money, that is you're going to
be a part of a very, very small

1031
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:32,730
set of people. But if you're
doing it to receive value back,

1032
01:06:33,450 --> 01:06:37,740
if you go into it with that
mindset, that's when it gets

1033
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:41,400
beautiful, because that's when
you open up something that radio

1034
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:46,080
has never successfully done is
had your community become a part

1035
01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:51,060
of, of the podcast become a part
of the product through feedback

1036
01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:56,970
mechanisms, which include now,
direct value, a monetary form,

1037
01:06:56,970 --> 01:07:01,830
but I would, I would argue, the
numerology is perhaps even more

1038
01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:06,210
important than the value of the
numbers themselves. Satchel of

1039
01:07:06,210 --> 01:07:12,600
Richards row of ducks 6969 808,
these are all she slammed

1040
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,190
Satoshi slam, these are striper
booths, these are all content

1041
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:21,660
messages that you're allowing
people to create to be a part of

1042
01:07:21,660 --> 01:07:27,120
the program. And this is where
everybody can find happiness in

1043
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:33,300
podcasting. If your happiness is
going to come from money, well,

1044
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:36,390
you're going to be disappointed.
I'm just telling you right now,

1045
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:41,520
because it's very hard to make a
living doing this unless you

1046
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,340
have something that you are
creating that is so valuable

1047
01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:48,030
that people want to contribute
value back, which actually makes

1048
01:07:48,030 --> 01:07:51,330
the program even more valuable.
I'll just tell you how it works

1049
01:07:51,330 --> 01:08:01,500
with no agenda. Everything I do
90% comes from the audience who

1050
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,050
we don't even call listeners we
call them producers for a

1051
01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:08,430
reason. They're sending me
clips, links, personal stories,

1052
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,600
thoughts, information, bullcrap,
all kinds of stuff they're

1053
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:18,150
sending, and I am packaging that
into a show the people who can't

1054
01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:22,860
do that send value in a
different way. And they do that

1055
01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:27,240
through a monetary unit. But
everybody is contributing and is

1056
01:08:27,270 --> 01:08:32,550
equally as valuable to the
actual product. That to me is

1057
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:36,960
what podcasting is. It's not
just a product, it's like this

1058
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,770
music show. I'm not just gonna
sit here and just play tracks

1059
01:08:40,770 --> 01:08:44,640
and count the money that comes
in. So I'm taking the 5% and the

1060
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,860
artists get 95% That's going to
be a shit show. I want people

1061
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:54,450
finding songs, you know, I want
artists feeding back

1062
01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:58,500
information, I'm going to be the
content router that makes all

1063
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:03,090
this happen. And the value that
is represented is coming.

1064
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,070
Everyone contributes to that.
It's podcasting is not just like

1065
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:11,340
a radio show where you get paid
at the end of the month based on

1066
01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:16,470
how many listeners you had. It
is irrelevant. This This project

1067
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:22,410
is so clearly value for value.
We have 12,000 people that

1068
01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:26,880
listen maybe on a monthly basis
12,000 uniques, maybe if that

1069
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:31,410
probably less. But the project
runs it sustains everybody is a

1070
01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:34,200
part of it. And it's not just
money.

1071
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:42,060
Dave Jones: But my dad said my
dad said a long time ago he was

1072
01:09:42,750 --> 01:09:46,320
a deacon in the church and he
was saying that when you're

1073
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,370
looking around for people to be
deacons. What you do is you you

1074
01:09:50,370 --> 01:09:52,800
look for the people who are
already doing the work of the

1075
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,690
deacon. And those are the people
you nominate to be a deacon. So

1076
01:09:57,690 --> 01:10:00,450
like he was talking about and
that can be this engine General

1077
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:03,630
can be expanded to all serve,
you know, all all sorts of like

1078
01:10:03,630 --> 01:10:08,010
service things, you, you look,
the people who are going to be

1079
01:10:08,610 --> 01:10:13,410
the people who are going to do
the best in a passion project

1080
01:10:13,410 --> 01:10:16,860
are the people who are already
doing it before, there's any

1081
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:20,640
question of reward or anything
like that is the thing I like

1082
01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:26,460
the most, it's like the podcast
that, that I am going to start

1083
01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:28,650
already recorded one of the
episodes of the little, you

1084
01:10:28,650 --> 01:10:34,080
know, nice nightstand book
podcast, that, you know, that

1085
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,350
thing I just, I just want to do
is I feel like I feel like I'm

1086
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:42,720
just dying to do this thing. But
there's really I haven't even

1087
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,630
really thought about anything
involving money. I don't even

1088
01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:48,990
know if that will ever happen. I
doubt it will. It's not really

1089
01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:55,890
that sort of thing. So like,
it's, it's the podcasting is you

1090
01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:58,260
can tell when people are doing
it, because they have a passion.

1091
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,600
You can tell when people are
doing it, because they've,

1092
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,340
they've put together a math
problem where they can end exit

1093
01:11:05,340 --> 01:11:08,190
the end of the month with
certain X number of dollars,

1094
01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:10,590
right? in those in those things
are just not compelling to me at

1095
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:10,860
all.

1096
01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:14,940
Adam Curry: And that makes you a
true podcaster I'm just gonna

1097
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:18,600
get I mean, I read this this
morning, and it really helped me

1098
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,360
a lot Ecclesiastes night. I
know, but I'm just gonna do a

1099
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,540
Bible a little bit of a Bible
verse, Bible Study Bible study,

1100
01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:28,260
the race is not to the Swift or
the battle to the strong, nor

1101
01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:31,530
does the food come to the wise
or wealth to the brilliant or

1102
01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:34,830
favorite to the learned, but
time and chance happen to them

1103
01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:38,400
all. And what this really means
is, you're not doing this for

1104
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,170
those reasons it Life is not
fair. People say hey, man, do

1105
01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:45,240
you are one of the CO inventors
of podcasting while you're not a

1106
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:50,430
billionaire? Well, I don't know.
That's just the way it is. But

1107
01:11:50,430 --> 01:11:53,280
you're not doing it for those
reasons. If you're doing it for

1108
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,920
those reasons, you're just going
to be disappointed at the end of

1109
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,850
the road. Don't let the
inequities of life. keep you

1110
01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:04,230
from doing fun things earnest,
dedicated stuff that you want to

1111
01:12:04,230 --> 01:12:09,390
do. Yes. And that's the point.
That's what makes podcasting so

1112
01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:14,490
beautiful. And I and it pains me
when people are, you know, are

1113
01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:19,140
disappointed because they didn't
get any value in return, which

1114
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:23,160
the only way they measure that
is by you know, okay, to some

1115
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,490
degree, there's stats in your,
in your dashboard, the Hey, I

1116
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:29,310
got three guys in Belgium
listening. Okay, that might be

1117
01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:34,650
kind of interesting. Or, you
know, I made $50 Well, one bill,

1118
01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:37,800
I'm putting all this all this
work in only getting 50 bucks.

1119
01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:42,810
These are the wrong metrics. You
want the love coming back from

1120
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:46,650
people? And and boosting is
loving.

1121
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:57,030
Dave Jones: But that, yes. The
the feedback, the feedback loop

1122
01:12:57,030 --> 01:13:03,030
within a podcast is it changes
everything. And it's, it makes

1123
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:06,510
all the difference. I listened.
I listened to an episode of

1124
01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:11,100
fresh air today. It's not really
a list of things I listened to,

1125
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,010
but somebody sent me an episode
of it. So listen to it. And it

1126
01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:17,760
was good. It was good episode.
And but it was so like at the

1127
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,580
end of it. I felt I'm like,
Okay, I feel like I just kind of

1128
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:25,710
read a Wikipedia article. Yeah,
I don't feel like I was sort of

1129
01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:29,700
like that beauty of podcasting,
where you feel like, you're,

1130
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:32,910
you're involved like you're
you're, you felt like there's a

1131
01:13:32,910 --> 01:13:36,840
connection between you and the
in the host and the guest and

1132
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,170
all these? Like, I didn't get
any of that. No, for that

1133
01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:43,680
reason. For that reason. I did
not. I didn't hit the subscribe.

1134
01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:46,830
I'm not going to put that in
rotation. Because while it was

1135
01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:50,700
helpful, and I thought that the
information was good. I mean, I

1136
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,840
don't it's not a thing that it's
not compelling. And so I don't

1137
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,730
want you know, I don't want to
read Wikipedia all

1138
01:13:56,730 --> 01:14:01,500
Adam Curry: day. So when I hear
our premier news weekly program

1139
01:14:01,530 --> 01:14:06,810
of the industry podcast weekly
review, when I hear the booster

1140
01:14:06,810 --> 01:14:09,630
Graham corner, and the
explanation is well, it's little

1141
01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:13,440
bits of money people can send to
you and wow, there's 10,000 in

1142
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:18,090
the last $10,000 In the last 30
days. That's not to me, that's

1143
01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:22,050
not what value for value is
about. Value for value is a

1144
01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:28,110
feedback mechanism. That that
that allows you to do exactly

1145
01:14:28,110 --> 01:14:31,650
what you couldn't do with fresh
air. If you'd been able to set

1146
01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:38,340
and it's whether it's you know,
10,000 SATs or 100 SATs, it

1147
01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:40,980
doesn't matter. Me, probably the
number would be more

1148
01:14:40,980 --> 01:14:49,170
interesting. You know, Hey, Amy
gross 808 her, you know, that's

1149
01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:55,350
that's what it's about that is
and that in Christopher Lydon

1150
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:59,430
brought me back to those days
where he was saying hey, we just

1151
01:14:59,430 --> 01:15:02,490
wanted to have Different,
different voices about the Iraq

1152
01:15:02,490 --> 01:15:06,540
war. We wanted to have different
voices about the economy at that

1153
01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:10,650
point. You know, we just wanted
something we wanted to hear from

1154
01:15:10,650 --> 01:15:13,920
each other from from people from
real people. And you know, it

1155
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,330
didn't matter if you have names
or oz errs, which now there's

1156
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,360
entire industries to
automatically chop that out,

1157
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,410
make sure you don't sound human,
whatever you do, make sure all

1158
01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:28,830
that stuff is edited out,
please, let's not have any human

1159
01:15:28,860 --> 01:15:33,090
interaction. That's what we're
losing. With that kind of

1160
01:15:33,090 --> 01:15:33,720
thinking.

1161
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:38,040
Dave Jones: Did when you when
you had the idea for the

1162
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:44,670
enclosure? Where was money in
that thought process? Nowhere.

1163
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:50,280
That's, that's what I thought
it. And I would say that. That's

1164
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:55,050
true for let's just take, let's
just say, Sam over a pod fans.

1165
01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:59,850
He raised he raised the seed
round to get the thing off the

1166
01:15:59,850 --> 01:16:06,240
ground. But you can tell when he
sends us a days. And he has all

1167
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,750
these screenshots and all these
things about the features that

1168
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:12,540
they're implementing. This is
not about money for him. No,

1169
01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:18,540
this is, yeah, this is a passion
project. Where in in the passion

1170
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,700
is from a distance, what I can
see is that the passion is look

1171
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:27,780
at all of these protocols that
offer a so many cool things I

1172
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:32,280
want to do all of them. That's
where he's coming from. He's

1173
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,550
like, there's a thing that
exists that is not fully

1174
01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:40,020
consumed, and I want to consume
it. And that that is a it's just

1175
01:16:40,050 --> 01:16:43,230
I don't, I don't believe for one
second that it's that is a

1176
01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:45,810
primarily a money play.
Otherwise, it would just be

1177
01:16:46,230 --> 01:16:49,590
another app. And it's not just
another app. It's a it's a it

1178
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:52,800
has its own unique identity,
that's going to be a big deal.

1179
01:16:52,890 --> 01:16:55,680
Adam Curry: I wanted to be a
broadcaster I wanted, that's all

1180
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,940
I've ever wanted to do. I was a
pirate radio guy. We had

1181
01:16:59,940 --> 01:17:02,850
advertising on the station,
which paid for the rent and paid

1182
01:17:02,850 --> 01:17:06,660
for the transmitter for the
power. And if the FCC came by

1183
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:08,490
and took all our crap we
couldn't you had a little

1184
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280
reserved so we could set it up
within three hours be back on

1185
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,630
the air. When I worked at
professional radio stations, I

1186
01:17:15,630 --> 01:17:18,630
would have paid I would have
paid to do it. I love doing that

1187
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:24,360
I loved I love the medium. I
love creating I just the idea

1188
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,110
that I could create my own radio
show because that's how I viewed

1189
01:17:28,110 --> 01:17:30,780
it at the time. Without
transmitters. We don't need no

1190
01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:36,450
stinking transmitters, without a
boss without a hotline that

1191
01:17:36,450 --> 01:17:39,570
could ring if I said something
wrong. Or if I didn't sound

1192
01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:44,190
professional, or, you know, that
was that was always the intent

1193
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:45,330
always.

1194
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:50,099
Dave Jones: Alex said I always
said I certainly don't think

1195
01:17:50,099 --> 01:17:53,579
about money in any of the specs
that I write. And you can do,

1196
01:17:53,729 --> 01:17:56,819
you can do. And I would go so
far as to say that

1197
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,340
Adam Curry: is anybody here
making money in this whole

1198
01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:02,070
project? Please, please,

1199
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,660
Dave Jones: I would get I would
go so far as to say that. That

1200
01:18:06,660 --> 01:18:08,850
may be something that that may
be part of the problem with

1201
01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:15,600
Apple, you know, at Apple, Apple
podcasts probably started off as

1202
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,800
a more pure play because there
was there was absolutely zero

1203
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,300
money in it from the beginning.
And now there now it's different

1204
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:28,620
leadership styles gone. There's
there's a new, there's new

1205
01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:33,390
people involved. And it is it
does have a monetization play.

1206
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:36,870
Sure. And that's probably there.
They've they've probably drifted

1207
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:39,300
from that pure sort of open
ethos as well.

1208
01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:44,040
Adam Curry: Yeah. And of course,
of course, I mean, but I'll say

1209
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,160
that Mayo when I when I met with
Steve, and he introduced

1210
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,930
podcasting in iTunes. And when
he played the daily source code,

1211
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,860
he and I had already discussed
at that meeting, he says, Well,

1212
01:18:55,890 --> 01:18:58,590
do you intend to make money? I
said, Well, I think the only way

1213
01:18:58,590 --> 01:19:02,250
I can see right now is and I
remember exactly what I said, is

1214
01:19:02,250 --> 01:19:05,190
advertising. But we have to
change advertising. That was

1215
01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:08,790
always my thinking we have to
change advertising. And we tried

1216
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:13,860
very hard. It was it was kind of
back to the old days of talking

1217
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:17,190
about a product what we'd call
now the host endorsement, which

1218
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:21,660
I don't like that either these
terms because it implies an

1219
01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:26,250
endorsement. But that was that
was always what I had hoped

1220
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,950
would work. And that never
worked. Host endorsements you

1221
01:19:31,950 --> 01:19:37,380
know, there. We're still stuck
in the old model of boy you've

1222
01:19:37,380 --> 01:19:42,300
got a million listeners. I know
that if I get you to talk about

1223
01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:46,050
my product I'll get X percent
will buy because you said so.

1224
01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:52,680
You know it's dishonest is
bullcrap. Nobody actually likes

1225
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:53,520
my pillow.

1226
01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:57,660
Dave Jones: So but I mean,

1227
01:19:58,230 --> 01:20:01,740
Adam Curry: I mean come on
Squarespace Now Splenda really

1228
01:20:01,770 --> 01:20:07,320
really Splenda by since SEO I
mean all these it there was just

1229
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:15,000
it's not podcasting is
inherently not a great way to to

1230
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,670
do advertising is just not and
now we have we have expanded I

1231
01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:27,570
think just chipped away at the
podcast Industrial Complex has

1232
01:20:27,570 --> 01:20:32,280
now created the entire systems
that will make sure that oh

1233
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,240
advertiser that not only will
you not you know advertise on

1234
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:40,470
the shows that are wrong but
even if there's someone makes an

1235
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:43,380
ad hominem attack against
somebody else you won't get

1236
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:47,070
caught in the crossfire come on
What are we talking about? Yes,

1237
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:50,370
that means is nothing but the
all you can do is advertise on

1238
01:20:50,370 --> 01:20:55,830
fresh air. That's basically it.
The most safe you know, non

1239
01:20:55,830 --> 01:21:00,750
combative, whatever. That's not
what podcasting is for. I want

1240
01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:04,770
to hear crazy people. I want to
hear people who have great ideas

1241
01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:09,210
who are doing nutso stuff I want
to hear crazy music. I mean, I

1242
01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:13,200
want to be I want to be I want
my mind blown. I wanted the

1243
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,230
first people who came in to
podcasting were the god casters.

1244
01:21:16,230 --> 01:21:20,670
They got it. Hey, I've got a
very unpopular format for radio.

1245
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,760
Yeah, I'm gonna read the Bible.
I'm gonna read the Bible and I'm

1246
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,920
going to interpret it a my way
in my my, my conviction. This

1247
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:30,660
that was amazing to me.

1248
01:21:34,109 --> 01:21:38,249
Dave Jones: It's funny. So when
you this is we're on this topic.

1249
01:21:39,929 --> 01:21:45,329
Crillon asked Lydon. You know
what, what did he think podcast?

1250
01:21:45,539 --> 01:21:48,089
What did he think podcasting was
going to be in the future? I

1251
01:21:48,089 --> 01:21:52,469
kind of think if you take
yourself back to when you first

1252
01:21:55,589 --> 01:22:02,159
when you first envisioned when
you first saw that the Weiner

1253
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:05,729
was going to put the enclosure
tag into RSS at first begin the

1254
01:22:05,729 --> 01:22:10,829
first beginnings of this thing
working. Did you have any

1255
01:22:10,829 --> 01:22:16,439
concepts of what it was going to
look like in the future? And

1256
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,069
does what it is now reflect
anything like what you thought

1257
01:22:20,069 --> 01:22:22,589
it may be? Or did you not think
really think of any where you've

1258
01:22:22,589 --> 01:22:25,229
too focused on just getting the
tech working to think about the

1259
01:22:25,229 --> 01:22:25,679
future?

1260
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,450
Adam Curry: I was big, because I
was focused on getting the tech

1261
01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:33,000
working but you only get the
tech working if you have the

1262
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,810
content flowing, absorbs. That's
why I built a directory, the I

1263
01:22:36,810 --> 01:22:42,990
potter.org directory. And I
loved Don and drew. I love the

1264
01:22:42,990 --> 01:22:47,190
rock'n'roll geek show. That here
was a guy who was a rocker who

1265
01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:50,340
was sitting in front of his
microphone playing, playing his

1266
01:22:50,340 --> 01:22:54,030
own songs. He's like, he drank a
six pack Michael Butler would

1267
01:22:54,030 --> 01:22:57,600
drink a six pack he was clearly
buzzed. While he was doing this.

1268
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,620
He was talking about his stories
on the road match Weinstein the

1269
01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:06,300
bloated lesbian Hello, this was
phenomenal, phenomenal stuff to

1270
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:10,230
listen to. It's still there. So
for me and that was actually

1271
01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:14,760
part of the problem because we
would go to advertisers and say

1272
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,460
look we got all these cool
shows. You know we got the

1273
01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:21,390
bloated lesbian we got Dawn and
Drew and the address what what

1274
01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:25,500
what do you have as him No, it's
phenomenal. This is now because

1275
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,950
it was so new and you know
people would you know they just

1276
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:31,530
kind of like oh, I guess so this
is what the hip kids are doing.

1277
01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:38,190
But that's the stuff I mean. I
can hear new shows anywhere

1278
01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:42,690
really. But if I even want the
stuff that I that pisses me off

1279
01:23:42,690 --> 01:23:46,110
like pivot, it's a hate Listen,
but it's something that you

1280
01:23:46,110 --> 01:23:51,450
could not get you could not get
Kara Swisher dropping the F bomb

1281
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:56,880
every 10 minutes about Elon Musk
on any radio station. I love it.

1282
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,510
I like it. I enjoy that. So I've
just wanted to hear is so

1283
01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:05,670
restrictive, the medium of radio
and television, the 24 hour

1284
01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:09,750
clock the linear programming,
the linear and horizontal

1285
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:13,170
programming like to say this the
same time every day. We could

1286
01:24:13,170 --> 01:24:16,680
determine when we wanted to
listen to this stuff. It was as

1287
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:21,660
exciting as it is today. My my
podcast list is very esoteric.

1288
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,130
And it still is am so that never
changed. I got completely

1289
01:24:26,130 --> 01:24:31,800
sidetracked, completely sucked
up into building a company and

1290
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,710
when you have a company then
you've got to find a way to make

1291
01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:39,090
money but I it was the pod show
days, some of the unhappiest

1292
01:24:39,090 --> 01:24:40,020
days of my life.

1293
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:42,570
Dave Jones: You could tell you
could hear it in your voice.

1294
01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,420
Yeah, you weren't you were so
ready to get out of there. By

1295
01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:48,270
the time no agenda became
feasible.

1296
01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:51,840
Adam Curry: It was it was like
even before no agenda I sold so

1297
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,920
I sold my plane. I sold all my
possessions just so I wouldn't

1298
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,940
have to work. It was like
building a beautiful race car.

1299
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:03,180
for NASCAR, I'm gonna drive this
thing around the track. I want

1300
01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:06,180
to race the wheels off this
sucker. But then they put all

1301
01:25:06,180 --> 01:25:09,030
these sponsor stickers all over
the windshield, so I couldn't

1302
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:10,170
see where I was driving.

1303
01:25:14,009 --> 01:25:18,539
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's
still, that's still the just

1304
01:25:18,539 --> 01:25:22,889
like there's this uneasy tension
between Apple and the rest of

1305
01:25:22,889 --> 01:25:27,419
podcasting, there's still this
uneasy tension between the

1306
01:25:27,449 --> 01:25:31,169
monetization side of podcasting.
And the hobby side. Well

1307
01:25:31,169 --> 01:25:31,709
imagine,

1308
01:25:31,740 --> 01:25:35,640
Adam Curry: imagine the
disappointment, when I'm sure I

1309
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,000
got the call from Steve Jobs. I
talked to the guy for an hour,

1310
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,810
I'm blown away. Turns out I
saved an entire company rogue

1311
01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:48,480
amoeba from from going out of
business. You know, the story,

1312
01:25:48,930 --> 01:25:51,480
the Audio Hijack Pro,

1313
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:53,970
Dave Jones: and as an accident,

1314
01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,310
Adam Curry: accent Oh
conversation. And I gave them

1315
01:25:59,310 --> 01:26:03,870
our 5000 listening directed the
iPod our.org was a beautiful

1316
01:26:03,870 --> 01:26:11,760
directory, because it was an
OPML based open outliner. So I

1317
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,240
had I maintained at the top, no,
but anyone could basically

1318
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,970
maintain it, that was part of
the beauty of it, you know, just

1319
01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:21,240
like anyone can take our
database and build podcasts

1320
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:25,500
index, you know, dotnet, or
whatever, but no one does. And I

1321
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:29,130
had Country Manager, so you're
the guy in Germany. So I would

1322
01:26:29,130 --> 01:26:33,510
use your your outline note as an
include into Germany, I did it

1323
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:37,560
by geographic region, just to
make it easy. And then in

1324
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,580
Germany that that person, say,
Okay, I'm going to have sub

1325
01:26:41,580 --> 01:26:46,080
managers and you collect all of
the podcasts that are intact,

1326
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,850
you do news, you do politics,
etc, etc. And everyone

1327
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:53,310
maintained their own little node
on their own server. Now, of

1328
01:26:53,310 --> 01:26:57,600
course, you know, with with the
expected results, sometimes

1329
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,930
something would break, but but
then every night, I would roll

1330
01:27:00,930 --> 01:27:04,680
it all up, then I would traverse
the entire tree. And then I'd

1331
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,080
have whatever was new, whatever
was, you know, and I'd have a

1332
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,050
top note, here's what's new
today, kind of like the NCSA,

1333
01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:12,360
What's New page for those who
are old enough to remember

1334
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:18,120
mosaic. And, and I gave them
that entire directory. So

1335
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,360
imagine the disappointment when
they launched iTunes, and the

1336
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:27,480
whole front page was NPR, NPR,
BBC, it was all mainstream

1337
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:31,530
stuff. And all the cool stuff
was in there. But it was all you

1338
01:27:31,530 --> 01:27:34,560
know, you had to go search it go
look in categories. And they put

1339
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,250
all of the all of the pro
professional stuff, quote,

1340
01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:43,320
unquote, on the front. And the
whole beauty of podcasting from

1341
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,200
that very me That was my
mistake, from that very moment.

1342
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,420
sucked. Apple's made it suck
now, I'm happy that they were

1343
01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:54,870
there. But that was just apple.
I mean, I was young, I was

1344
01:27:54,930 --> 01:27:58,890
inexperienced. What I could have
expected that. So obvious that

1345
01:27:58,890 --> 01:28:01,290
that was going to happen. Oh,
yeah. They put me on the front

1346
01:28:01,290 --> 01:28:05,310
page for a couple of weeks.
Thanks, of course. But I didn't

1347
01:28:05,310 --> 01:28:09,600
hit the front page. After that.
Maybe maybe one time when no

1348
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,570
agenda hit 1000 episodes or
something? They might have done

1349
01:28:12,570 --> 01:28:14,730
something nice, but not for
long.

1350
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:20,010
Dave Jones: Why can't we still
do that? That concept of having

1351
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:25,500
ever having the database split?
into multiple, maybe not

1352
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:28,620
regions, but multiple sections
with different people with

1353
01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:31,140
different people curating?

1354
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:36,450
Adam Curry: Oh, I mean, well, of
course we can. Like, I love that

1355
01:28:36,450 --> 01:28:40,110
idea. I mean, we also do, we
didn't have infrastructure, we

1356
01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:42,570
barely had email. I mean, we
didn't have a lot of tools that

1357
01:28:42,570 --> 01:28:47,340
we have now. And, and creating,
I mean, that just keeping a

1358
01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:51,390
weblog up when you got Slashdot
that was that was trouble

1359
01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:54,750
enough. So that was Yeah, I got
slashed on it. And that was that

1360
01:28:54,750 --> 01:28:57,810
was just keeping your web server
running was hard, let alone that

1361
01:28:57,810 --> 01:29:01,920
you split up a database and had
regional managers and all this

1362
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,790
stuff. Everybody was using own
little hosting space to host

1363
01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:09,210
their OPML file that then would
be included in the next guy up

1364
01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:10,200
the up the chain.

1365
01:29:10,859 --> 01:29:13,949
Dave Jones: I mean, I guess we
have, we have like, you know, we

1366
01:29:13,949 --> 01:29:18,539
have like 6 million podcasts in
the database. All told, I mean,

1367
01:29:18,809 --> 01:29:22,259
I could see it being split up
with six different people. And,

1368
01:29:22,619 --> 01:29:26,099
you know, we, we, we sort of
were a concentrator that then

1369
01:29:26,099 --> 01:29:30,989
hits the appropriate back end
where, you know, I like that. I

1370
01:29:30,989 --> 01:29:35,189
like that idea. It's, you know,
you could do with obviously do

1371
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:37,799
with OPML, because the data was
small and you didn't have, you

1372
01:29:37,799 --> 01:29:40,949
know, didn't have millions of
records, but I bet we could

1373
01:29:40,949 --> 01:29:42,809
still eventually find a way to
do that.

1374
01:29:43,050 --> 01:29:45,720
Adam Curry: Well, this is
essentially what Yahoo initially

1375
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:50,040
was. Yahoo was a directory. It's
a little different from an

1376
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,270
index. Yeah, a little different

1377
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:55,560
Dave Jones: categories. A little
more like newsgroups. Yes. Which

1378
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:55,800
is

1379
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:58,140
Adam Curry: oddly how people
organize things in their head

1380
01:29:58,140 --> 01:30:02,160
quite well, which is why I'm an
outlier. Honor guy. I love

1381
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:08,700
outlines and outliners. Anyway,
so that is my, my philosophical

1382
01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:13,650
view on what we're doing. And
thank you for listening because

1383
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:16,410
I want it to be clear to
everybody that we've we've

1384
01:30:16,410 --> 01:30:21,900
gotten into a loop with the
podcast industrial complex of an

1385
01:30:21,930 --> 01:30:28,650
industry. And an industry is
almost kind of counterintuitive

1386
01:30:28,650 --> 01:30:40,920
to what the whole medium is.
And, and the, the beauty of RSS

1387
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:45,150
distribution, which means
everybody can also determine

1388
01:30:45,150 --> 01:30:48,450
their own playout system, what
they like, you know, it's not

1389
01:30:48,450 --> 01:30:51,780
all now there was there was an
interesting little little bit in

1390
01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,490
as Rob and and James, were
talking on pod news weekly

1391
01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:01,080
review. And it was kind of
enlightening to me. It's like,

1392
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:06,330
you know, RSS is great, but
because of RSS, we don't have

1393
01:31:06,330 --> 01:31:08,220
great stats for advertising.

1394
01:31:09,689 --> 01:31:11,099
Dave Jones: Well, that's gonna
get worse.

1395
01:31:11,310 --> 01:31:16,320
Adam Curry: Right? But But
that's why that's why the P IC

1396
01:31:16,350 --> 01:31:20,850
always wants to move away from
RSS because they want logins

1397
01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:24,540
they want to know who you are.
And you know, and Spotify didn't

1398
01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:27,180
do a great job of it. They know
who everybody is. So I don't

1399
01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:30,390
know if it's ever going to work.
And by the way, Spotify with

1400
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:36,480
autoplay, that was like, that
was like cursing God, back in

1401
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:40,620
the day. Because we all know,
autoplay is a scam, it's a scam

1402
01:31:40,620 --> 01:31:44,520
to get more higher numbers, make
it look like you're successful.

1403
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:46,350
You know. And,

1404
01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:49,230
Dave Jones: and we know what
Spotify classifies as a play,

1405
01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:51,120
it's 20 milliseconds, exactly.

1406
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,700
Adam Curry: So then that'll be
counted as a download, or as a

1407
01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:57,240
play that will add that will
count towards the advertising

1408
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,480
numbers. It's a scam. It's the

1409
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,819
Dave Jones: same but raw. I
mean, Rob's not even in the

1410
01:32:02,819 --> 01:32:06,059
podcast industry anymore, is he?
Well, he's like doing YouTube

1411
01:32:06,059 --> 01:32:06,509
stuff.

1412
01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:09,480
Adam Curry: But that's, that's
neither here nor there. I'm just

1413
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:14,910
saying, that is what the
industry has become. And it's,

1414
01:32:14,970 --> 01:32:18,660
it's a house of cards. And
you're seeing it now now that

1415
01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:23,310
the free money is gone. And, and
all the all the great production

1416
01:32:23,340 --> 01:32:28,740
companies are folding or being
folded in on themselves or being

1417
01:32:28,740 --> 01:32:33,210
aggregated away being there's no
more 100 million dollar Rogan

1418
01:32:33,210 --> 01:32:36,810
deals, none of it's all gone.
It's all gone because the cheap

1419
01:32:36,810 --> 01:32:40,080
money is gone. And so what
remains is the pure

1420
01:32:40,290 --> 01:32:45,870
unadulterated joy of podcasts,
about something that you enjoy

1421
01:32:45,870 --> 01:32:49,890
listening to, and that you can
participate in. That's the

1422
01:32:49,890 --> 01:32:55,020
difference between podcasts and
a radio show. You can be a part

1423
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:59,340
of it, you can contribute value
in three main ways.

1424
01:33:00,930 --> 01:33:05,100
Dave Jones: That's why I hope I
think that thing, that's why I'm

1425
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:09,510
so hopeful about the music side
of things. Because in this

1426
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:12,750
invite, it's not just podcasters
as musicians, yes. And

1427
01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:16,920
Adam Curry: that and how how
screwed over are the musicians,

1428
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:21,900
they have gotten such a raw
deal. From technology from

1429
01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:25,290
Silicon Valley. It started with
the unbundling of a beautiful

1430
01:33:25,290 --> 01:33:28,950
product, which was the album
okay, it was already a CDs of

1431
01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:31,920
the liner notes. But I remember
I was there, you know, it's

1432
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,130
like, oh, man, this is not quite
as cool as it used to be. And

1433
01:33:35,130 --> 01:33:40,500
then iTunes unbundled the album
into tracks. And Steve Jobs

1434
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:43,860
himself set a price 99 cents.
That's, that's what it's worth.

1435
01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:48,120
I don't care how much you'd like
that song. It's 99 cents, which

1436
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:53,850
is so unfair, because the value
to someone he determined or

1437
01:33:53,850 --> 01:33:57,060
Silicon Valley determines what
I'm going to value this piece of

1438
01:33:57,060 --> 01:33:57,900
music at?

1439
01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,200
Dave Jones: Well, at least at
least, if you're if you're

1440
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:06,240
looking at this on a on a
advertising model, at least

1441
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:13,800
within podcasting, you have the
content itself is conducive to

1442
01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:19,440
being able to to contain
advertising music, you can't you

1443
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:23,370
can't drop an ad in the middle
of a three minute song. There's

1444
01:34:23,370 --> 01:34:28,590
no there's no possibility to
even do an ad based music model

1445
01:34:29,310 --> 01:34:33,210
that did go and I'm talking
about in a way that directly

1446
01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:40,080
contribute directly benefits the
musician. The only way

1447
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,260
advertising works in the music
world is if the platform does

1448
01:34:43,260 --> 01:34:50,490
ads in then as a way to monetize
their own their own efforts to

1449
01:34:50,490 --> 01:34:55,080
stream music, your music to
people that may or may not ever

1450
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:59,340
pay you exactly like that. So
there's no there is no other

1451
01:34:59,340 --> 01:35:03,780
alternative. For them the other
the only other thing the only

1452
01:35:03,780 --> 01:35:06,360
thing that works that
advertising does not work for

1453
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,840
music. The only thing that works
for music is value for value.

1454
01:35:10,530 --> 01:35:12,630
Adam Curry: And I'm glad you
brought that up because I did

1455
01:35:12,630 --> 01:35:17,340
bring a song for today go to
share with the group and and

1456
01:35:17,340 --> 01:35:20,520
this of course if you're
listening in in what now what

1457
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:27,690
are the apps I've lost track of
them the curio caster pod friend

1458
01:35:27,690 --> 01:35:30,690
pod friend pod verse I think pod
verse doesn't know

1459
01:35:30,689 --> 01:35:32,969
Dave Jones: me we still don't
know not sure we're not sure if

1460
01:35:32,969 --> 01:35:35,009
I need Mitch to pipe in

1461
01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:40,890
Adam Curry: and curio caster can
definitely do this live so I got

1462
01:35:40,890 --> 01:35:45,270
a short track I got a female
artists today because we I don't

1463
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:48,060
think we've had any well we had
one we had one female a female

1464
01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:52,950
lead singer found this one over
just sifting around through LM

1465
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:56,610
beats and it has no intro so
don't get to talk it up like I

1466
01:35:56,610 --> 01:36:00,150
usually do it Sarah Jade and
you're gonna listen to wait

1467
01:36:00,180 --> 01:36:00,990
Destiny

1468
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:25,620
Unknown: Destiny wait Destiny
says to Gary Java ski fans and

1469
01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:48,270
installs can blaze on run me
Wait wait wait wait this thing

1470
01:36:49,260 --> 01:36:49,950
says

1471
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,180
quickly

1472
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:07,950
as possible

1473
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:18,270
God so you

1474
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:25,950
don't you're all better

1475
01:37:57,810 --> 01:38:02,670
all across this galaxy Hello
friends where are you traveling

1476
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,330
Adam Curry: so all the SATs that
you streamed the boost that you

1477
01:38:42,330 --> 01:38:49,170
sent that went to Sarah J we
destiny we think like this all

1478
01:38:49,559 --> 01:38:52,469
Dave Jones: I did like it I also
merged a pull request during the

1479
01:38:52,469 --> 01:38:57,869
middle of this What did you
merge a lip merge.

1480
01:38:58,830 --> 01:39:03,060
Adam Curry: And thank you Dred
Scott for boosting 100,000 SATs

1481
01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:07,830
to Sarah Jade. Oh nice. That is
very nice.

1482
01:39:07,890 --> 01:39:09,210
Dave Jones: Very generous

1483
01:39:09,359 --> 01:39:13,949
Adam Curry: pen and man I'm so
pumped about this stuff. So

1484
01:39:13,949 --> 01:39:19,829
yeah, there you go. I love the
fact that musicians will now see

1485
01:39:19,829 --> 01:39:25,379
some kind of value from multiple
people it'll be numbers. There's

1486
01:39:25,529 --> 01:39:29,879
there's you know messages that
go along with it. This is this

1487
01:39:29,909 --> 01:39:33,449
this is what makes creative
people do it do what they do.

1488
01:39:35,009 --> 01:39:38,219
You know it's not not a paycheck
don't make be expecting a

1489
01:39:38,219 --> 01:39:39,959
paycheck just expect some value.

1490
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:46,350
Dave Jones: On the on the face
seven front,

1491
01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:48,210
Adam Curry: da Hold on a second.

1492
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:57,570
Dave Jones: Oh, time for space.
I love it. I mean we got a

1493
01:39:57,570 --> 01:40:02,100
space. We got to talk about it.
We get It's a thing. Phase seven

1494
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:07,620
is is going to be a thing
quicker than we know. So right

1495
01:40:07,620 --> 01:40:12,360
now we're looking at chat,
verify ownership. But they were

1496
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,910
changing the name of the
authorization tag, because it's

1497
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:17,970
it's not. It's not
authorization. That's, that's

1498
01:40:17,970 --> 01:40:20,400
not we're talking about, we're
talking about simply verifying

1499
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:24,720
ownership of a feed. And we're
also look going to look at the

1500
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,710
events tag. Okay, that's what
we've got so far.

1501
01:40:28,710 --> 01:40:30,720
Adam Curry: And what is the
event? What is the event tag for

1502
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,930
Dave Jones: again, that was the
thing of sending events back

1503
01:40:33,930 --> 01:40:35,730
from an app to Oh, yeah,

1504
01:40:35,730 --> 01:40:39,060
Adam Curry: writer, which
actually could be very handy for

1505
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:40,710
the podcast industrial complex.

1506
01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:43,680
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm just think
we need to revisit that tag.

1507
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:47,970
Because John spent a lot of time
on it, and totally even had to

1508
01:40:47,970 --> 01:40:49,860
prove he had a proof of concept
and that kind of thing. I think

1509
01:40:49,860 --> 01:40:53,130
we should need to, it needs to
be in the boardroom, we need to

1510
01:40:53,130 --> 01:40:56,460
kick it around a whole bunch and
find out what we all want to do

1511
01:40:56,460 --> 01:41:01,020
with that. The chat tags already
in our feed, and it's a it's a

1512
01:41:01,020 --> 01:41:04,230
simple tag. I feel like that
thing's probably just kind of a

1513
01:41:04,230 --> 01:41:09,270
slam dunk. But I mean, it will
still talk it over but the

1514
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:15,180
verify ownership tag, I think
we're kind of coming around. on

1515
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:19,830
that. I think we I think
everybody's kind of agreeing. On

1516
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:23,430
the spec that we outlined. A
while back, we're we're just

1517
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:27,090
down really down to just kind of
cache busting questions at the

1518
01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:31,050
moment. So I think that we'll be
right. Hopefully, we'll have so

1519
01:41:31,050 --> 01:41:39,540
here's my plan for the verify
ownership tag. I think I think

1520
01:41:39,540 --> 01:41:48,090
just for four reasons. reasons.
Reason as I should be the one, I

1521
01:41:48,090 --> 01:41:49,980
should be the one of the first
ones to implement that on

1522
01:41:49,980 --> 01:41:53,400
podcast wallet. Okay. Don't you
think so?

1523
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:55,620
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. And
well, that's what that

1524
01:41:55,620 --> 01:42:00,660
automatically automatically be
set through the the Partner API

1525
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:01,200
as well.

1526
01:42:02,130 --> 01:42:06,150
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, I think
so. Because I mean, we we sort

1527
01:42:06,150 --> 01:42:10,530
of need, we're stuck to I mean,
we know we need to, we need the

1528
01:42:10,530 --> 01:42:14,160
email handshake. And we don't
have it. And yeah, yeah. So I

1529
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:20,520
feel like, I feel like if I make
that, then I can sort of proof

1530
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,070
of concept that out to everybody
else. And

1531
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:25,500
Adam Curry: will we still have
the email verification

1532
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:28,770
possibility? Or is that not
going to be? Okay? Okay.

1533
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:34,559
Dave Jones: So here's my
thought. We, we combined the

1534
01:42:34,559 --> 01:42:38,369
two. So when you when you claim
your show, when you claim your

1535
01:42:38,369 --> 01:42:43,319
podcast feed on podcast or
wallet, it would send you the

1536
01:42:43,319 --> 01:42:50,459
email with the authorization
token in it, but then also give

1537
01:42:50,459 --> 01:42:57,209
you a separate authorization
token, display it to you and

1538
01:42:57,359 --> 01:43:05,399
begin the Dave, the feedback
loop. So then, like so that,

1539
01:43:05,519 --> 01:43:09,029
that way people can just spoof
the email. But so there'll be a

1540
01:43:09,029 --> 01:43:12,419
separate token, and then we
will, we will look for that.

1541
01:43:12,419 --> 01:43:15,779
We'll begin the cycle of looking
for that every once a min. And

1542
01:43:15,779 --> 01:43:16,019
now

1543
01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:19,740
Adam Curry: we look for it only
in the TX T tag? Or will we make

1544
01:43:19,740 --> 01:43:23,100
it a little loose for everybody
who doesn't quite support it

1545
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:23,550
yet?

1546
01:43:24,269 --> 01:43:26,429
Dave Jones: I think initially,
we will probably have to make it

1547
01:43:26,429 --> 01:43:27,149
loose. Yeah, I

1548
01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:27,900
Adam Curry: think so too.

1549
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:31,200
Dave Jones: Because if somebody
goes in to technical term, by

1550
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,670
the way, loose, loose,

1551
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:36,899
Adam Curry: loose, like we can
throw it in your Show Notes

1552
01:43:36,899 --> 01:43:38,999
field that a lot of work. So
this isn't making

1553
01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:43,980
Dave Jones: qualifies as loose.
That's very loose. Yeah, so I

1554
01:43:43,980 --> 01:43:46,680
think yeah, I think I think at
first we'll just scrape the feet

1555
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,730
for that token, were just as a
big, you know, like, just look

1556
01:43:50,730 --> 01:43:53,550
for the substring anywhere in
the anywhere in the whole XML.

1557
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:58,560
And then, yeah, I mean, I think
I think that's, that makes a lot

1558
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:03,450
of sense to me. And then we have
once we sort of prove it, then

1559
01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:07,140
we can show everybody, I'll put
the code up and show the show

1560
01:44:07,140 --> 01:44:07,470
works.

1561
01:44:07,470 --> 01:44:11,190
Adam Curry: Yeah. Excellent
idea. Excellent. Okay. And this

1562
01:44:11,220 --> 01:44:13,650
Dave Jones: is I'm hoping I'm
hoping we can verify to get the

1563
01:44:13,650 --> 01:44:17,400
verify ownership thing done
pretty quick and not have to

1564
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:20,730
wait till the end of phase
seven. I mean, because I think

1565
01:44:20,730 --> 01:44:23,670
it's an it's a, it's a pretty
big need at this point.

1566
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,040
Adam Curry: Is there anything
that we need to revisit from any

1567
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:29,670
of the previous six phases that
needs love or needs attention or

1568
01:44:29,670 --> 01:44:31,830
that just has fallen by the
wayside?

1569
01:44:33,780 --> 01:44:36,990
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, I'm
sure that that's, that's

1570
01:44:36,990 --> 01:44:39,750
probably one of the dangers of
going as fast as we have is

1571
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:45,180
things get lost. Yeah. And,
which is another thing I like

1572
01:44:45,180 --> 01:44:47,700
that what was sanded was I don't
know if you saw that series of

1573
01:44:47,700 --> 01:44:52,260
tweets, where he literally
tweeted every single tag and

1574
01:44:52,260 --> 01:44:56,070
what it does, no, I didn't see
that. No, I missed that. Yeah,

1575
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:59,010
he's like he's like pod fans
supports this. And here's what

1576
01:44:59,010 --> 01:45:01,950
the tag does. It supports this
tag and here's what it does it

1577
01:45:01,950 --> 01:45:07,170
supports they went through all
20 Something tags. And so

1578
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:12,270
probably I need to spend more
time in the sort of evangelism

1579
01:45:12,270 --> 01:45:17,310
phase. We've got, we don't want
to jump directly necessarily

1580
01:45:17,310 --> 01:45:20,280
back into Phase seven and just
say, okay, you know, we're just

1581
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,220
going to barrel on through here
and roofs heads down, we're

1582
01:45:23,220 --> 01:45:25,710
gonna do we're gonna build even
more stuff, you know, like,

1583
01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:28,800
Wait, that's not necessarily
what needs to happen at this

1584
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:34,860
point. I feel like we need to
take a breather. And sort of

1585
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:39,360
like I think what you said is
right, we need to we need to go

1586
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:44,070
probably go back. I need to do I
should probably do a little bit

1587
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:48,720
of writing right now about some
of these tags and how they fit

1588
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,990
together. And then maybe a
remote

1589
01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:54,330
Adam Curry: remote item might
need some more some more

1590
01:45:54,330 --> 01:45:55,020
explanation.

1591
01:45:55,050 --> 01:45:57,720
Dave Jones: I've got a draft of
a sub stack post for remote

1592
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,960
items specifically and I'll just
start backwards with that and

1593
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:02,130
then work my way backwards.

1594
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,050
Adam Curry: How about your show
though? Man I'm waiting for your

1595
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,870
Dave's nightstand days nice

1596
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:09,480
Dave Jones: yes, there's the
night yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1597
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:12,540
launch I think here's here's
Okay, let me give you this. Let

1598
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:18,960
me give you this this dope idea
that I got I was thinking that I

1599
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:24,420
will I can buy a road caster duo
yeah because I'm I'm looking for

1600
01:46:24,450 --> 01:46:26,730
any reason to justify buying one

1601
01:46:28,020 --> 01:46:30,570
Adam Curry: I mean, you're just
going to record your mic right

1602
01:46:30,570 --> 01:46:34,260
it's just gonna be that Yeah,
yeah, you need a road caster do

1603
01:46:34,260 --> 01:46:39,210
Oh, for that for sure. I need
one baby. Without that I mean,

1604
01:46:39,210 --> 01:46:41,160
how can you even consider doing
a show

1605
01:46:41,550 --> 01:46:43,650
Dave Jones: I was picking out
bread at the grocery store the

1606
01:46:43,650 --> 01:46:46,140
other day trying to figure out
how this fit into a road caster

1607
01:46:46,140 --> 01:46:54,420
duo strategy so my thought is I
do the road caster duo and if I

1608
01:46:54,420 --> 01:47:00,660
get in and I can fly I can fund
I can I can buy I can buy the

1609
01:47:00,660 --> 01:47:04,590
road caster duel on on a booster
Graham credit or boost credit.

1610
01:47:05,310 --> 01:47:08,280
How does that work? Oh, go ahead
and buy it and then they've

1611
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:12,390
written then as I get boosts you
pay it back you pay back pay it

1612
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:12,990
off? Yeah,

1613
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,500
Adam Curry: there's a good goal.
There's a good goal said hey,

1614
01:47:16,530 --> 01:47:20,580
this is what I want first pay
for that pay for the duo. Yeah,

1615
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:22,710
I sent me some value for that.

1616
01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:26,580
Dave Jones: If I if in a year I
get enough boosts to pay back my

1617
01:47:26,580 --> 01:47:28,350
Duo I'll consider a success.

1618
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,209
Adam Curry: Oh, you'll have that
within six weeks.

1619
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:35,100
Dave Jones: I don't want that I
want I want it to be okay and I

1620
01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:35,910
don't want people to boost

1621
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:38,280
Adam Curry: well remember
remember you get what you asked

1622
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,490
for so if you just ask for open
ended value you're gonna get

1623
01:47:41,730 --> 01:47:45,630
you're gonna be surprised so
when when you when you set a

1624
01:47:45,630 --> 01:47:49,740
limit you're gonna get the limit
when you say open you'll be

1625
01:47:49,740 --> 01:47:50,460
surprised

1626
01:47:50,850 --> 01:47:52,590
Dave Jones: I'm gonna do premium
content.

1627
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:54,330
Adam Curry: Oh give me a break

1628
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,830
Dave Jones: if people craft you
become a member become a member

1629
01:47:59,070 --> 01:48:03,150
I did that tell you about that
about the show? There's always

1630
01:48:03,150 --> 01:48:07,140
trigger nom de no trigonometry
of course you know that. They

1631
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:12,450
like they're they're like tiers
of membership. They have a tear

1632
01:48:13,110 --> 01:48:16,050
a membership tier where they
will have dinner with you like

1633
01:48:16,050 --> 01:48:22,470
once a month I'm not shitting
you that is the God's honest

1634
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:25,170
truth. They will like have
dinner over zoom with you. I'm

1635
01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:26,700
like, Are you kidding?

1636
01:48:27,630 --> 01:48:30,270
Adam Curry: What does that cost?
What does that cost for dinner

1637
01:48:30,270 --> 01:48:30,570
over?

1638
01:48:30,899 --> 01:48:33,629
Dave Jones: Like $10,000 a month
for all I'm asking for money

1639
01:48:33,629 --> 01:48:34,049
really?

1640
01:48:35,550 --> 01:48:38,610
Adam Curry: That's an
interesting tear off the rails

1641
01:48:38,610 --> 01:48:41,790
man. I'm telling you if you just
asked people to send whatever

1642
01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:45,240
they thought the show was worth
to them. You'd be amazed time

1643
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:46,830
and time and time again.

1644
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,070
Dave Jones: This is all straight
and various strategies that I'm

1645
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:53,160
cooking up to but to fund a road
caster do oh this is all that

1646
01:48:53,160 --> 01:49:00,090
matters. She says you I just
want to have the little pads

1647
01:49:00,090 --> 01:49:05,820
where I can go up you need the
little pads you need them one

1648
01:49:05,850 --> 01:49:07,590
Yeah, well sound effect is

1649
01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:11,040
Adam Curry: that it is such a
beautiful cute little box. I

1650
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,730
mean I can't I have everything
set I got all of my duplicated

1651
01:49:14,730 --> 01:49:19,080
everything. So it was 499 for
the duo and all the other stuff

1652
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:23,670
I need excluding the laptop I
already had and everything 200

1653
01:49:23,670 --> 01:49:27,960
bucks. I got a wireless mouse.
new wireless keyboard new MIDI

1654
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,530
controller already had the
licenses for the for the

1655
01:49:31,530 --> 01:49:37,860
software. And I bought I did buy
high end mic booms that are very

1656
01:49:37,860 --> 01:49:43,530
light they're made of like
something not not metal. So we

1657
01:49:43,530 --> 01:49:45,660
can take them on the road and
they're not too heavy.

1658
01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:49,620
Dave Jones: This is not in your
studio, you know no problem was

1659
01:49:49,620 --> 01:49:51,510
Adam Curry: I was always
breaking apart the studio and

1660
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:54,720
you're all the cables and then
you have to really focus on it.

1661
01:49:54,990 --> 01:49:58,350
You know usually after no agenda
show that Okay, gotta pack up

1662
01:49:58,350 --> 01:50:01,470
the studio and I'm tired and I'm
worried I'm gonna forget one

1663
01:50:01,470 --> 01:50:06,300
that one critical thing or the
USB dongle or something and I'll

1664
01:50:06,300 --> 01:50:09,630
be stuck somewhere without the
winner not being able to do it

1665
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:12,480
so I just want complete
duplicate and instead of

1666
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:16,860
duplicating the road caster two
I got the duo and

1667
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:21,029
Dave Jones: we came up with a
with a name of a cooking show

1668
01:50:21,059 --> 01:50:22,139
only pans

1669
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:27,150
Adam Curry: I love it. You
should do that on the no agenda

1670
01:50:27,150 --> 01:50:33,780
tube. Only. Only pans that's
Hold on a second. Don't move.

1671
01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:38,100
Let's see if that's let's let's
see if that's available. Hold

1672
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:42,780
on. That's hilarious. Let me
see. Add a domain. Bada bing

1673
01:50:42,810 --> 01:50:49,920
bada bing as your only pans.com
That's I'm sure that's taken. So

1674
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,850
on must have already taken that.
Yeah, too bad. Yeah, it's

1675
01:50:53,850 --> 01:50:57,150
already gone. Weren't weren't.
Yeah, that's that was that's too

1676
01:50:57,150 --> 01:50:59,070
good. You knew that one had to
be gone.

1677
01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:01,200
Dave Jones: You still don't have
any. You don't have no

1678
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:02,700
agenda.com Do

1679
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:08,040
Adam Curry: we have? We have no
agenda? dotnet? No, no.

1680
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,160
agenda.com has some bandhu. Let
me see if they even have that.

1681
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:16,050
No agenda. I have see if they
even have the website up. Now

1682
01:51:16,050 --> 01:51:18,600
it's not even working. Oh, time
to check it and see if it's

1683
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,090
Dave Jones: available. Err,
empty response.

1684
01:51:21,210 --> 01:51:23,070
Adam Curry: Yeah, let me see.
It'd be funny if it was

1685
01:51:23,070 --> 01:51:27,660
available all of a sudden, is a
band. Yeah, no agenda,

1686
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,210
Dave Jones: Doc, would they put
their music on value for value?

1687
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:34,020
Adam Curry: Wouldn't that be
great? That'd be funny. No.

1688
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:39,030
agenda.com Now I'm sure it's
parked somewhere. It's such a

1689
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:42,540
waste. Me. Whatever. Hey, at
least I didn't fall for that

1690
01:51:42,540 --> 01:51:46,620
scam. The Crypto domain names
remember that? Oh, yeah, that's

1691
01:51:46,620 --> 01:51:49,920
thing evaporated in a heartbeat.
That was if you look at the

1692
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:55,380
chart for H NS I think is what
the let me see what it was. It

1693
01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:58,770
was shape handshake. Yeah. So it
was it was a crypto is H and S

1694
01:51:58,770 --> 01:52:02,400
I'd like you need this to
protect your domain name moving

1695
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,280
forever. And I think Didn't you
even buy some?

1696
01:52:05,580 --> 01:52:08,700
Dave Jones: No, no, I didn't. I
got an email and I ran it by you

1697
01:52:08,700 --> 01:52:10,710
and you're like, This is BS.
Run.

1698
01:52:11,310 --> 01:52:15,390
Adam Curry: Run Run away. Can I
still track them? Hold on h&s.

1699
01:52:15,390 --> 01:52:19,350
Here we go. H and S as it is the
chart straight up and straight

1700
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:25,020
down? No. At the time of the of
the Scam. what I consider to be

1701
01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:29,250
the scam? They hold on me. Let
me go into it here for a second.

1702
01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:37,230
Let me get the full on charts.
The chart for all time. Yeah, it

1703
01:52:37,230 --> 01:52:42,060
was it was up to like $1 I
think. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1704
01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:45,690
No, it was up to up to bite us
when they were selling him. Now

1705
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:49,650
all you got to have this. And I
was like, No, this is dumb. And

1706
01:52:49,650 --> 01:52:55,320
you know, you don't know what it
was $1 or $1 actually. And yeah,

1707
01:52:55,350 --> 01:53:01,710
well, they didn't rug pool. I
mean, now it's 1.7 cents. Oh,

1708
01:53:01,980 --> 01:53:06,000
because because it's all it was
and notice the all these all

1709
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,720
these I saw him on the telegram
group. And these people like

1710
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:13,110
hey, man, you know he could ever
go ever pop. Will we ever seen

1711
01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:16,650
anything happened now? Because
it was it was dumb. They had a

1712
01:53:16,650 --> 01:53:20,250
name so you couldn't even
connect it? It doesn't work with

1713
01:53:20,250 --> 01:53:21,060
DNS.

1714
01:53:21,780 --> 01:53:27,330
Dave Jones: But the is the dot
eath is that still a thing? In

1715
01:53:27,330 --> 01:53:29,670
everyone's getting dot eath for
a while. No, I

1716
01:53:29,670 --> 01:53:30,390
Adam Curry: don't know.

1717
01:53:30,929 --> 01:53:32,789
Dave Jones: I haven't seen one
of those and forever this this

1718
01:53:32,789 --> 01:53:35,369
stuff is all it's just it's all
such a scam.

1719
01:53:35,729 --> 01:53:38,309
Adam Curry: Yeah. And a lot of
people fell for it.

1720
01:53:38,969 --> 01:53:41,369
Dave Jones: Oh, I bet because
they sold it really well. I

1721
01:53:41,369 --> 01:53:45,059
mean, they saw they had the
marketing and I mean, like it

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01:53:45,059 --> 01:53:46,319
was a full on push.

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01:53:46,530 --> 01:53:49,560
Adam Curry: Yeah, you can you
can get your web three username.

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Yeah, you can get dot eath it's
just a top level domain name you

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can get that you can just pay
for it. Is pay for it. And eath

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Okay,

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01:53:58,020 --> 01:54:01,230
Dave Jones: grainy. This all is
also painful.

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01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,890
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm sure that
there's people just not true if

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01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:08,040
you use an alternative name
server. Yeah, of course. Yeah,

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01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:11,730
of course we can do that too.
You don't you don't need to have

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crypto involved. And I say
crypto because it's not Bitcoin.

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Speaking of such, shall we
thanks for people.

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Dave Jones: I would enjoy that.
Okay, because

1734
01:54:21,450 --> 01:54:26,310
Adam Curry: we have been yapping
for quite a while. And let's

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01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:29,520
see. I'm gonna thank some of the
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one. I can relate to you Adam
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podcast yet the genius of my
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of it. You got a brother? They
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Here's all the SATs left in my
wallet. Just take it and keep

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the lid down. Keep the lid down.
Yeah, he he also listened to

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Kareem the keeper and I am a
stickler for keeping the lid

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closed on the toilet.

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Dave Jones: Oh I am too because
if you don't you get a plume of

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gloom of poop. Poop Yes, every
with every flush

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Adam Curry: and also it
eliminates the whole problem of

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seat upside down just everybody
closes the lid and everyone

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opens it to the level they need
and closes it again.

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Dave Jones: It's the most
egalitarian way

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Adam Curry: I see I think he had
TJ the wrathful here in this

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01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,740
place it's the only have 50
seconds and then why did we know

1770
01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:04,650
she stayed here before? Because
the toilet seats were down

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01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:27,000
supposed to be this ogre who
just walked on. yelled at me on

1772
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:35,640
our third date. The room around
here if we need to sit down

1773
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:39,510
there's never an argument about
what I said

1774
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,520
you want to stick around with
the seat down? It's not to see

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01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:50,850
you still

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01:57:56,520 --> 01:58:01,470
want to stick around? There you
go. Sir. TJ the rack

1777
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,400
Dave Jones: Did you really say
to Tina, babe. No,

1778
01:58:06,149 --> 01:58:09,749
Adam Curry: of course not. That
is my wife exaggerating.

1779
01:58:10,050 --> 01:58:11,640
Dave Jones: You lift the seat
up, baby.

1780
01:58:11,970 --> 01:58:15,120
Adam Curry: I said we put the
lids down around here. You want

1781
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,040
to stick around put the lid
down?

1782
01:58:17,790 --> 01:58:20,550
Dave Jones: Does mildly I will
have to say agree with Tina that

1783
01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:24,510
is mildly aggressive, very
aggressive. We do this around

1784
01:58:24,510 --> 01:58:28,140
here. There's an implicit bave
that you don't have to say

1785
01:58:28,170 --> 01:58:33,450
Adam Curry: eight years and we
never had a fight. One on 101

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from C Dubs. Let's go
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01:58:36,570 --> 01:58:42,330
go podcast 55 555 from blueberry
sorry, I don't have more SATs on

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01:58:42,330 --> 01:58:46,170
hand will rectify soon. It is of
my opinion that motion picture

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music videos are absolutely
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and chapters. Hopefully coming
this week. I'll have a proof of

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concept to demo. Two. All right,
we like that. And it doesn't

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matter what it is. Blueberry.
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loving no matter what you do.

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Dave Jones: Did you see my fancy
new animated GIF? For the day

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01:59:06,270 --> 01:59:07,710
for days rested code case?

1796
01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:10,800
Adam Curry: No. No, I haven't. I
haven't worked on that. And

1797
01:59:11,850 --> 01:59:14,490
Dave Jones: I'll post it here.
It's it's courtesy of blueberry.

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I paid him 100,000 said bounty
for

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Adam Curry: it. Nice. Yeah.
There's your economy working. He

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Dr. Martin home again after a
week in sunny Greece and happily

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listening not live again. Man.
When those when those guys over

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there in Denmark they lose their
job they go on vacation. That's

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02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:05,070
about those guys. I got fired
I'm going on vacation.

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02:00:05,490 --> 02:00:07,560
Dave Jones: It's the best time
to go on vacation true.

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02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:11,250
Adam Curry: And we got the pre
boosts the boost boost via

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podcast gurus new lb integration
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that new podcast gurus new Alby
I thought they already had lb

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integrations that new.

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02:00:25,649 --> 02:00:27,929
Dave Jones: I mean, it's fairly
new. It's been around for

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02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:31,200
Adam Curry: about a month and a
half gets podcast addict doing V

1818
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,210
for V. Are they still not doing
that? No,

1819
02:00:33,359 --> 02:00:37,469
Dave Jones: not yet. It was the
you know, he may he may revisit

1820
02:00:37,469 --> 02:00:41,879
that once. This is me talking
has nothing to do his knees

1821
02:00:41,879 --> 02:00:46,739
never said this. He may revisit
it one day with now that there's

1822
02:00:46,739 --> 02:00:50,909
things like Albay because at the
time when he first explored it,

1823
02:00:50,909 --> 02:00:52,859
it was nothing but it was only
Ellen pay.

1824
02:00:53,910 --> 02:00:56,640
Adam Curry: He also had a lot of
App Store challenges I think, in

1825
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:59,670
general, for some reasons that
podcast addict I'm thinking of

1826
02:00:59,790 --> 02:01:02,280
Yeah, right. Right. Right.
They've given him such a hard

1827
02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:05,520
time but not over yet burned.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure just

1828
02:01:05,610 --> 02:01:09,030
for whatever reason is, is all
kinds of disclaimers. Ya can't

1829
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:10,260
do stuff in the app.

1830
02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:13,560
Dave Jones: Over time if it you
know, if it persists and we

1831
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,750
don't get any appstore
shenanigans, he may come back.

1832
02:01:19,020 --> 02:01:21,360
Adam Curry: And then one more
before I hit the delimiter and

1833
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,570
it is from the tone wrecker.
refilled SATs in wallet feels

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like a fully charged battery now
playing catch up for previous

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droopy boosts. When the
cupboards were bare. 101010

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Sakala 20 is blades only Ambala.
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nature of these binary boosts.
They're so nice. Thank you all

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very much for live boosting. We
appreciate it. If you're

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listening now. And you didn't
consider rolling it back a

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little bit and boosting for for
Sarah Jade for song. Hello, see

1841
02:01:57,300 --> 02:01:57,990
Dave Jones: we got it. Yep.

1842
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,690
Adam Curry: All right. And Dave
will now take us through the

1843
02:02:00,690 --> 02:02:01,800
rest of our donations.

1844
02:02:02,850 --> 02:02:06,360
Dave Jones: Again, I had to
reach down. We would get Franco

1845
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:11,400
Celerio or buddy ever cast
ematic $100 through PayPal.

1846
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:18,600
Adam Curry: Wow. Hold on $100
through PayPal. Thank you very

1847
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:19,230
much.

1848
02:02:19,589 --> 02:02:22,139
Dave Jones: And I asked him when
he sent. Thank you very much

1849
02:02:22,139 --> 02:02:25,079
Franco. I asked him when he sent
in that donation. I said well

1850
02:02:27,179 --> 02:02:29,639
tell me, you know, tell me tell
me how's it going with cast?

1851
02:02:29,639 --> 02:02:33,419
ematic? You know, Howard, have
you had increase in premium

1852
02:02:33,419 --> 02:02:36,389
users? You know, budgets general
financial health. I mean, how

1853
02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:39,479
was it how's your app do and and
he said it was doing really

1854
02:02:39,479 --> 02:02:44,759
well. He said that podcasting
2.0 The bear has really sort of

1855
02:02:44,939 --> 02:02:49,709
elevated his his app store stuff
and he's replaced so I was glad

1856
02:02:49,709 --> 02:02:50,339
to hear that. So

1857
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,010
Adam Curry: he has a premium. I
don't have iOS so I don't know

1858
02:02:53,010 --> 02:02:55,890
he has a premium option as well
where you can subscribe. Okay,

1859
02:02:55,890 --> 02:02:58,320
good. Good. Yeah, that's right.
And just support I like that.

1860
02:02:58,470 --> 02:03:01,530
You know, when I tell people to
do this, I love it. I like cast

1861
02:03:01,530 --> 02:03:03,720
thematic. So yeah, you know,
Franco does you know what he

1862
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,980
does in his in his day job know
why he's a doctor. What is

1863
02:03:09,420 --> 02:03:11,790
Dave Jones: his day job is cast
ematic he moonlights as a

1864
02:03:11,790 --> 02:03:12,660
physician. Yeah,

1865
02:03:12,659 --> 02:03:14,819
Adam Curry: I don't think so.
He's probably still curing

1866
02:03:14,819 --> 02:03:17,549
people most of the time. We love
Franco.

1867
02:03:19,020 --> 02:03:22,980
Dave Jones: We got Pedro Korea.
I hope I'm saying that right.

1868
02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:28,230
SEO or EIA Pedro Korea. $10. one
time donation to PayPal.

1869
02:03:28,229 --> 02:03:29,759
Adam Curry: Thank you very much
Pedro note.

1870
02:03:32,070 --> 02:03:34,740
Dave Jones: Appreciate that. Oh,
yes, Mr. Graham's let's see we

1871
02:03:34,740 --> 02:03:40,260
get 10,000 sets from certain net
net. All it says is just because

1872
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,070
Mr. Gray,

1873
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:42,060
Adam Curry: thank you very much.

1874
02:03:42,330 --> 02:03:47,490
Dave Jones: Thank you, sir.
Nana. We'll see we get 1701 from

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02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:52,380
our Oh Archie. Source days gave
us the boost CLI says boosting

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02:03:52,380 --> 02:03:53,250
via vim

1877
02:03:54,930 --> 02:03:58,770
Adam Curry: not really nice. I
want to know how he's doing

1878
02:03:58,770 --> 02:04:01,980
that. That is big flex. I like
it though.

1879
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:06,390
Dave Jones: Okay, we have you we
have our respect. Cotton Gin

1880
02:04:06,390 --> 02:04:12,000
Bootmakers ball 333 says thank
you cotton gin. Oh Darren No. To

1881
02:04:12,180 --> 02:04:17,430
see he sent oh okay the way this
is from last this from like at

1882
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:22,410
the very end of last show. Okay.
Let's see. 73rd Did we read sir

1883
02:04:22,410 --> 02:04:25,980
TJ the wrathful last week
exciting music talk today I want

1884
02:04:25,980 --> 02:04:29,040
to help even more but as a
recovering musician and

1885
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,260
struggling just to survive
Albert do we read that? Yeah, we

1886
02:04:31,260 --> 02:04:34,560
did. Okay, some of these overlap
I think we let the show went

1887
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:40,260
long last week so trying to
Yeah, there we go. Make me catch

1888
02:04:40,260 --> 02:04:44,640
up here. Yeah, after we got some
after show tunes boosts from

1889
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:47,760
hard hat Thank you very much
hard hat. We got a call

1890
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,550
McCormick to enter two year
anniversary for booths holy

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Bitcoin Batman 22 through
fountain we got a special

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02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:58,710
Richard from call McCormick
thank you to fountain he says

1893
02:04:58,710 --> 02:05:01,740
the influencer game is real The
more money is going into it. In

1894
02:05:01,740 --> 02:05:05,190
my opinion, it's an
entrepreneur's dream. V for v is

1895
02:05:05,190 --> 02:05:07,410
the foundation. Most of these
people are missing, though.

1896
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:11,910
Adam Curry: Did you see Did you
see that? People getting payouts

1897
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:17,550
from Twitter? No. And they were
posting it? Yeah. So I've seen

1898
02:05:17,550 --> 02:05:21,480
people getting $5,000.10. Of
course, they have no 2 million

1899
02:05:21,510 --> 02:05:22,260
followers.

1900
02:05:23,250 --> 02:05:25,830
Dave Jones: Stay on the
platform. No, it's, I guess

1901
02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:30,240
Adam Curry: the way it works is
they put advertising in the in

1902
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:35,280
the follow up tweets to your
tweet. And every ad that is

1903
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:40,530
shown in those tweets, you get a
piece of the action. And so

1904
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,260
yeah, some people were getting
some some pretty big payouts,

1905
02:05:43,620 --> 02:05:45,630
then very interesting.

1906
02:05:46,290 --> 02:05:48,900
Dave Jones: Did you know that
Twitter's getting sued by the by

1907
02:05:48,900 --> 02:05:50,820
a conglomerate of music
publishers?

1908
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:55,560
Adam Curry: I think I did.
Because, you know, they don't

1909
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:59,610
play the game. The game that
everybody paid plays, is they

1910
02:05:59,610 --> 02:06:04,110
pay 10s of millions of dollars a
year, maybe even more than that

1911
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:09,690
for blanket licenses. And so,
you know, that was really what

1912
02:06:09,690 --> 02:06:12,480
bytedance said, what tic TOCs it
is they were the first to get a

1913
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:16,020
full on as far as I know, to get
not just a full on license, but

1914
02:06:16,020 --> 02:06:18,300
also to make it available to
their people so they could do

1915
02:06:18,300 --> 02:06:23,430
all the stupid dances. And do
and do it legally. And be out.

1916
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:26,340
And then of course Google and
Facebook, they also all this is

1917
02:06:26,340 --> 02:06:28,920
what the music industry is right
with tick tock is the music

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02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:30,510
business. Right.

1919
02:06:31,410 --> 02:06:34,500
Dave Jones: And people just take
people just take those videos

1920
02:06:34,500 --> 02:06:38,700
and republish them on the other
platforms. Yep. And Facebook

1921
02:06:38,700 --> 02:06:42,690
paid. Yep. Yeah, Instagram and
Twitter did not

1922
02:06:42,690 --> 02:06:45,390
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, he's gonna
lose out he's gonna lose that

1923
02:06:45,540 --> 02:06:49,170
Dave Jones: he'll lose well, so
one of the I don't have a last

1924
02:06:49,170 --> 02:06:53,040
who this quote was from, but as
it may have been the guy from

1925
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:58,110
Universal. He said, Twitter
knows full well that music is

1926
02:06:58,110 --> 02:07:01,740
leaked, launched and streamed by
billions of people every day on

1927
02:07:01,740 --> 02:07:06,690
his platform. No longer can it
hide behind the DMCA and refused

1928
02:07:06,690 --> 02:07:11,190
to pay songwriters and music
publishers. That thought that

1929
02:07:11,190 --> 02:07:14,070
was an interesting quote. No
kidding. You know, he's like,

1930
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he's like, no, no, no, no, you
can't just say, hey, send a

1931
02:07:18,150 --> 02:07:21,390
DMCA, and we'll take it down.
That's not enough. You have to

1932
02:07:21,420 --> 02:07:26,100
actively use one of these
fingerprinting algorithms trip

1933
02:07:26,100 --> 02:07:26,640
proactive.

1934
02:07:27,509 --> 02:07:32,399
Adam Curry: Oh, really? This is
why we're doing we're doing good

1935
02:07:32,399 --> 02:07:35,639
work here. Send me that image.
Dave. I want to I want to put it

1936
02:07:35,639 --> 02:07:38,579
on the I want to stream it. I
can stream it. I can put it in

1937
02:07:38,579 --> 02:07:39,659
the split kit and stream it.

1938
02:07:40,740 --> 02:07:45,450
Dave Jones: Okay, that was the
original Richard from Joel 1111

1939
02:07:45,450 --> 02:07:47,790
through fountain No, no, thank
you. Thank you, Joe. Thank you.

1940
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:54,390
See we've got 2000 SAS from Rp
1984. Boosting for Dave's book

1941
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:54,870
club.

1942
02:07:54,899 --> 02:07:57,689
Adam Curry: Yeah, there you go.
Go is to start.

1943
02:07:59,939 --> 02:08:04,439
Dave Jones: One 100 of the way
to a road caster do Oscar marry

1944
02:08:04,469 --> 02:08:08,339
10,000 SATs through found he
says I am against the shim for

1945
02:08:08,339 --> 02:08:11,789
music and podcast index.
wavelike has exactly what we

1946
02:08:11,789 --> 02:08:14,099
need already set up and we
should be pointing artists to

1947
02:08:14,099 --> 02:08:16,829
WaveLight to get on boarded.
Having only one music hosting

1948
02:08:16,829 --> 02:08:19,109
company is not a problem in the
short term. We just need to get

1949
02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:21,179
things started and as long as
WaveLight continue to support

1950
02:08:21,179 --> 02:08:24,899
open RSS then others can come in
later down the line. Let's all

1951
02:08:24,899 --> 02:08:27,929
get behind wave lake for music
hosting and try and build as big

1952
02:08:27,929 --> 02:08:31,139
a catalog as we can. Which is
the only way this will work.

1953
02:08:31,740 --> 02:08:34,530
Adam Curry: I think we I think
we agreed on that. On the last

1954
02:08:34,530 --> 02:08:39,060
show. I did not get a second on
the motion and it was it was

1955
02:08:39,060 --> 02:08:42,870
shelved and tabled to
permanently you retracted it is

1956
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,150
I did. I will now yes I

1957
02:08:45,150 --> 02:08:48,000
Dave Jones: retract every trial
case now which I feel is better.

1958
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:53,280
Okay, anonymous 6666 in the
nodige says rockin well thank

1959
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:58,020
you anonymous and he gave us
another 6666 When no note bad

1960
02:08:58,020 --> 02:09:01,980
career advice chats and as a
bigger sexual Richard's 11 111

1961
02:09:02,580 --> 02:09:05,670
through fountain he says not
gonna not gonna lie this Shem

1962
02:09:05,670 --> 02:09:10,140
talk is making mas gloss over.
Yeah, it's kind of the point.

1963
02:09:11,130 --> 02:09:14,070
I've been Ride or Die since
episode one. But this discussion

1964
02:09:14,070 --> 02:09:17,040
was like a PhD thesis on the
hypothetical application of

1965
02:09:17,070 --> 02:09:19,440
string theory to the
distribution of ceiling string

1966
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:24,510
from a can real problems
necessary conversation, but this

1967
02:09:24,510 --> 02:09:34,170
is a real grind of a board
meeting boost to give him Sorry,

1968
02:09:34,380 --> 02:09:36,930
bad career advice. Yeah, but we
made up with it with great

1969
02:09:36,930 --> 02:09:42,480
music. That's true. Jean being
2222 threes cast Matic is a spec

1970
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,780
wise maybe what we need is to
codify a way to define a three

1971
02:09:45,780 --> 02:09:49,740
tier authors. What whenever I
hear three tier.

1972
02:09:51,359 --> 02:09:53,579
Adam Curry: I'm boosting you out
of that. Three tier

1973
02:09:53,579 --> 02:09:56,969
authorization is that like a
secret handshake with a decoder

1974
02:09:56,969 --> 02:09:57,239
ring

1975
02:09:57,689 --> 02:09:59,309
Dave Jones: that thinks where
you end up with one where you

1976
02:09:59,309 --> 02:10:03,479
end up shaking them The guy's
ankle spec was maybe we what we

1977
02:10:03,479 --> 02:10:06,449
need is a to codify way to
define a three tier

1978
02:10:06,449 --> 02:10:10,049
authorization process where an O
auth flow is tier one and

1979
02:10:10,049 --> 02:10:15,059
automatically inserted TX T tags
tier two in a manually added txt

1980
02:10:15,059 --> 02:10:20,279
tags tier three. Oh, I see what
he's saying. Okay. Yeah, okay,

1981
02:10:20,279 --> 02:10:23,339
so it was Yeah, well maybe maybe
maybe down the road Yeah, I mean

1982
02:10:23,339 --> 02:10:26,759
there could be a spec Yeah, cuz
he asked me what you mean. Yeah,

1983
02:10:26,759 --> 02:10:28,589
that would that would be a
separate spec, sort of like the

1984
02:10:28,589 --> 02:10:31,349
namespace would be defined as
the tags and then how to

1985
02:10:31,349 --> 02:10:34,079
interact and then you could have
a separate spec for this other

1986
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:38,159
thing which I truly that should
be something that the podcast

1987
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:42,179
Energy Group does ah, that
sounds like their bowl.

1988
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:46,200
Adam Curry: Good luck was at
Yeah Hey, um, if you pull up

1989
02:10:46,200 --> 02:10:49,680
curio caster I think I'm now
streaming your Star Man image.

1990
02:10:50,460 --> 02:10:52,230
Dave Jones: How did you get it
and you've seen it yet?

1991
02:10:52,500 --> 02:10:56,640
Adam Curry: I will. Say baby
baby. Father we're talking about

1992
02:10:56,640 --> 02:11:00,600
sage man come on the lid down.
Keep the lid down if you want to

1993
02:11:00,600 --> 02:11:01,560
stick around

1994
02:11:03,630 --> 02:11:05,160
Dave Jones: Oh, wait, we
shouldn't be

1995
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:08,610
Adam Curry: working here.
Casters should be working. Oh

1996
02:11:08,610 --> 02:11:09,270
yes, I see.

1997
02:11:11,340 --> 02:11:14,370
Dave Jones: Now you you just
have so you had just new toys

1998
02:11:14,370 --> 02:11:14,580
and I

1999
02:11:14,580 --> 02:11:17,730
Adam Curry: have power I have
powers this is cool. This is the

2000
02:11:17,730 --> 02:11:22,680
split kid man once you figure it
out. This is there's no going

2001
02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:23,130
back and

2002
02:11:23,160 --> 02:11:25,110
Dave Jones: that's a good look
and Jeff and yeah, that's a

2003
02:11:25,110 --> 02:11:29,790
Adam Curry: great look. And Jeff
said that your your is is really

2004
02:11:29,790 --> 02:11:30,180
tight.

2005
02:11:30,899 --> 02:11:35,849
Dave Jones: I know. I get that a
lot if you knew how many times a

2006
02:11:35,849 --> 02:11:36,329
day I hurt

2007
02:11:36,359 --> 02:11:39,359
Adam Curry: yeah, I know. All
right, and back to the value for

2008
02:11:39,359 --> 02:11:40,619
value image. Okay,

2009
02:11:40,620 --> 02:11:43,290
Dave Jones: and when Macintosh
Oh, you just it just changed on

2010
02:11:43,290 --> 02:11:43,920
my screen?

2011
02:11:43,950 --> 02:11:45,570
Adam Curry: I did. How cool is
that?

2012
02:11:46,530 --> 02:11:50,580
Dave Jones: Macintosh 2100 sets
great talk about peer tube stuff

2013
02:11:50,580 --> 02:11:53,190
looking forward to integrating
it into my setup Macintosh

2014
02:11:53,190 --> 02:11:56,220
generation Bitcoin. Well, that'd
be great. Macintosh right Oh,

2015
02:11:57,060 --> 02:12:01,140
Jean being 10 grand cast Matic I
really wish transcription

2016
02:12:01,140 --> 02:12:03,810
services would allow you to
submit individual tracks per

2017
02:12:03,810 --> 02:12:06,870
speaker instead of just the
merge mp3 as then there would be

2018
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:08,880
no issue with knowing who said
what.

2019
02:12:09,210 --> 02:12:11,010
Adam Curry: Oh, well. That's an
interesting idea. I hadn't even

2020
02:12:11,010 --> 02:12:14,550
thought of that. Not that I
would do it but it's totally

2021
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:16,500
totally doable that way, I
guess.

2022
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:20,100
Dave Jones: Yeah, that sounds
like a really neat idea. Jean

2023
02:12:20,100 --> 02:12:23,460
been 20 to 22 guests mazes I
hear y'all talk about Hello, Pat

2024
02:12:23,460 --> 02:12:26,880
a lot. But it work with fountain
or Alby as the wallet that

2025
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:32,430
receives the boosts. Not not as
a current it's an lnd polar.

2026
02:12:32,700 --> 02:12:36,510
Adam Curry: So you got to have
you got to have a node. But

2027
02:12:36,540 --> 02:12:41,040
Dave Jones: but the plan with
hell Upad when I returned to it

2028
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:47,460
is to be able to boost back you
know, do a reply boost in so in

2029
02:12:47,460 --> 02:12:51,540
that I think I will actually put
in support for the lb extension.

2030
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:54,180
Adam Curry: Ooh, yeah, that that
would be great. If you can do

2031
02:12:54,180 --> 02:12:57,600
that. That's a big win. Yeah,
thanks. That's a big win.

2032
02:12:58,859 --> 02:13:03,329
Dave Jones: See, just listening
for devices. There's one podcast

2033
02:13:03,329 --> 02:13:06,509
where I don't skip through the
ads. It is no dumb questions

2034
02:13:06,509 --> 02:13:10,169
with destin Sandlin and Matt
Whitman. An excellent podcast my

2035
02:13:10,169 --> 02:13:12,809
entire family listens to and the
ads are incredibly well done

2036
02:13:12,809 --> 02:13:15,809
this is a native ad plus they
have started reading ads from

2037
02:13:15,809 --> 02:13:18,779
listeners who bid for an ad spot
a very interesting idea in my

2038
02:13:18,779 --> 02:13:24,749
mind. Thank you for all right
the way it works. Thanks Jess

2039
02:13:24,749 --> 02:13:32,459
listening. See you a couple here
pretty pants 12345 Thank you

2040
02:13:32,459 --> 02:13:36,329
pristine mountain says song
booster song says tune tamer

2041
02:13:36,359 --> 02:13:40,589
rhythm wrangler Oh these are
these are song like show title

2042
02:13:40,589 --> 02:13:41,609
suggestions. Oh

2043
02:13:41,610 --> 02:13:43,680
Adam Curry: read them again.
Song booster

2044
02:13:43,710 --> 02:13:47,850
Dave Jones: song sets tune tamer
rhythm wrangler and Jeep jammer

2045
02:13:49,530 --> 02:13:52,350
Adam Curry: all interesting.
These could be sub items within

2046
02:13:52,350 --> 02:13:52,920
the show.

2047
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:56,339
Dave Jones: Is this a follow up
of another 12345 this is

2048
02:13:56,339 --> 02:14:00,269
treasure tunes sketchy song
master tracking tunes and Music

2049
02:14:00,269 --> 02:14:00,809
Meister

2050
02:14:01,170 --> 02:14:04,110
Adam Curry: these are all great
little sub items for in the

2051
02:14:04,110 --> 02:14:05,760
show. Thank you.

2052
02:14:06,540 --> 02:14:09,330
Dave Jones: Jean basin is a 4k
killer boosts with no no thank

2053
02:14:09,330 --> 02:14:14,310
you. Jay made our Davis 87 No
Sasha Richards 1111 sweating my

2054
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:18,510
Richard and busting a move to
the music of detox. Go V for V

2055
02:14:18,510 --> 02:14:21,480
music. Yeah, okay, detox is
Alex's buddy.

2056
02:14:21,660 --> 02:14:24,210
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Oh, yeah,
of course. Of course. We played

2057
02:14:24,210 --> 02:14:25,620
we played his stuff. Sure.

2058
02:14:26,430 --> 02:14:29,850
Dave Jones: Jeff and his 4004
says with no note, thank you,

2059
02:14:29,850 --> 02:14:34,800
Jeff. 10,333 from I am robot
through fountain says got

2060
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,560
Masatoshi coffee ready for the
board meeting. David Adam.

2061
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:39,810
There's always a lot of
discussions about the update of

2062
02:14:39,810 --> 02:14:42,630
modern podcast apps. But what
about the state of the podcast?

2063
02:14:42,660 --> 02:14:46,320
Podcast hosting platforms on the
index? Anyone that stands out or

2064
02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,210
is running with scissors in the
pipe?

2065
02:14:49,229 --> 02:14:52,829
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, this
does mean there's lots of lots

2066
02:14:52,829 --> 02:14:57,089
of hosts who are who who support
the the namespace items.

2067
02:14:57,899 --> 02:14:58,739
Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure.

2068
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:01,110
Adam Curry: I don't know if
anyone's done. Hands out per se.

2069
02:15:01,110 --> 02:15:04,140
But, you know, we don't really
play favorites, but we're happy

2070
02:15:04,140 --> 02:15:07,530
with every host that supports
anything from the namespace. And

2071
02:15:07,530 --> 02:15:11,670
everyone has to go at their own
pace. But But Lipson, where are

2072
02:15:11,670 --> 02:15:12,150
ya?

2073
02:15:13,979 --> 02:15:16,259
Dave Jones: It's easier to come
up with a with a with a wall of

2074
02:15:16,259 --> 02:15:21,059
shame. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Well,
one guy we have not had on here

2075
02:15:21,059 --> 02:15:24,509
and this is my fault one guy
that we have been just

2076
02:15:24,509 --> 02:15:27,719
completely neglected to talk to
you is Dobie das Obrador says

2077
02:15:27,719 --> 02:15:31,409
blue. Let's bring them on them.
Yeah, we gotta we gotta get him

2078
02:15:31,409 --> 02:15:34,109
on. I mean, I was just like
bring them on a totally keep

2079
02:15:34,109 --> 02:15:35,189
forgetting to reach out to him.

2080
02:15:35,250 --> 02:15:37,380
Adam Curry: But remember I
promise I promised Oscar as soon

2081
02:15:37,380 --> 02:15:40,470
as he released this that as soon
as he's out with this new

2082
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:42,000
release we'll bring him on.

2083
02:15:42,570 --> 02:15:49,830
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
for sure. Let's see. Okay. Oh,

2084
02:15:49,860 --> 02:15:53,310
there it is. 1000 SATs Guy
Smiley, V for V. That's all he

2085
02:15:53,310 --> 02:15:53,760
says.

2086
02:15:53,970 --> 02:15:55,320
Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you
very much.

2087
02:15:56,340 --> 02:16:00,480
Dave Jones: 5555 from Borlaug,
no notes through pod verse.

2088
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:05,250
Thank you Borlaug boost boost
satchel Richards 1111 from Pat

2089
02:16:05,250 --> 02:16:09,180
back career advice chances pre
boosting the show v for V yay,

2090
02:16:09,240 --> 02:16:12,660
boost your comic strip blogger

2091
02:16:12,750 --> 02:16:14,160
Adam Curry: dot the delimiter
litter

2092
02:16:14,670 --> 02:16:19,650
Dave Jones: 30 3015 through
fountain he says. Howdy gringos

2093
02:16:20,010 --> 02:16:23,370
David Adam, please invite your
audience to use my chat GPT

2094
02:16:23,370 --> 02:16:28,350
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search for podcast search usage

2095
02:16:28,470 --> 02:16:33,390
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podcasts about your revision.

2096
02:16:36,270 --> 02:16:41,670
Number two, get episodes have no
agenda. Coming soon show notes,

2097
02:16:41,700 --> 02:16:45,750
transcripts and large language
model based data analysis. Yo

2098
02:16:45,810 --> 02:16:46,530
CSB.

2099
02:16:46,590 --> 02:16:49,710
Adam Curry: I like this. Thank
you CSB. And I'm going to, I

2100
02:16:49,710 --> 02:16:54,300
have a chat GPT account, I guess
I'll try out Pro for a while.

2101
02:16:54,630 --> 02:16:58,710
Which cost money just to try
your your plugin, because I

2102
02:16:58,710 --> 02:17:01,680
really appreciate you doing that
I need I need to be able to see

2103
02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:03,030
how it works and what it does.

2104
02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:05,070
Dave Jones: And I need to do
that too. Yeah,

2105
02:17:05,129 --> 02:17:08,099
Adam Curry: I'll pay for it. For
sure. Yeah, that's cool. And

2106
02:17:08,099 --> 02:17:10,769
what's their model over there?
If if I pay and I use your plug

2107
02:17:10,769 --> 02:17:14,699
in? Do you get any money from
it? Any do they have a split

2108
02:17:14,699 --> 02:17:15,209
system?

2109
02:17:16,229 --> 02:17:20,159
Dave Jones: Again? My guess is
the model is give us

2110
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:24,450
Adam Curry: your free UK, you
pay and we we take all the

2111
02:17:24,450 --> 02:17:24,810
money?

2112
02:17:25,139 --> 02:17:28,559
Dave Jones: Yes, that's a model.
That's the model. Just to guess

2113
02:17:28,589 --> 02:17:29,159
it's just a guess.

2114
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:31,260
Adam Curry: By the way, I wanted
to apologize to everybody who

2115
02:17:31,260 --> 02:17:34,080
has liquidity through the
podcast index node which is

2116
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:36,630
where all these all these sites
stay on the node we use that for

2117
02:17:36,630 --> 02:17:40,140
liquidity for people's channels.
We were down for what was the

2118
02:17:40,140 --> 02:17:44,100
Dave six hours maybe a while it
was a while man, we don't know

2119
02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:48,840
exactly what happened. But our
voltage node went down or was

2120
02:17:48,840 --> 02:17:53,310
taken down was restarted. Graham
caught all the errors or

2121
02:17:53,310 --> 02:17:57,630
something with we were running
out of memory. We don't really

2122
02:17:57,630 --> 02:18:00,270
know why this is we get
attacked. I'm just gonna

2123
02:18:00,270 --> 02:18:05,310
declared an attack. Okay, so we
were DDoS. And but now the great

2124
02:18:05,310 --> 02:18:09,450
thing about our node is it's a
big AST node, b a n big AST

2125
02:18:09,450 --> 02:18:15,630
node. Which is great because,
you know, we can provide a lot

2126
02:18:15,630 --> 02:18:19,920
of liquidity we have over 100
channels. The downside is that

2127
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:24,270
when you have one of those
restarts bad restart, it has to

2128
02:18:24,270 --> 02:18:27,900
go and rescan everything has to
prune stuff is a lot of stuff

2129
02:18:27,900 --> 02:18:31,170
that had to happen. And it
basically took six hours I think

2130
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:36,060
before we before we completely
got back up. So apologies for

2131
02:18:36,060 --> 02:18:38,640
that. And if you need a
reopening of a channel hit me up

2132
02:18:40,620 --> 02:18:42,420
Dave Jones: yet, but I think
we're good, right? Everything's

2133
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:43,350
everything's fine. But

2134
02:18:43,710 --> 02:18:47,610
Adam Curry: yeah, we're in a
five by five. Do we have any

2135
02:18:47,610 --> 02:18:48,300
monthlies?

2136
02:18:48,510 --> 02:18:50,520
Dave Jones: We got some
monthlies. You got basil Philip,

2137
02:18:50,820 --> 02:18:55,800
good looking guy $25 not far
behind the penultimate good

2138
02:18:55,800 --> 02:19:01,830
looking Gob Lauren ball $24.20
Get Christopher Hora Barak $10

2139
02:19:02,220 --> 02:19:07,950
Mitch Downey Hey, Mitch $10.
Terry Keller, longtime, longtime

2140
02:19:07,950 --> 02:19:08,310
are the

2141
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:10,289
Adam Curry: humans description.
He's known as the human

2142
02:19:10,289 --> 02:19:12,659
subscription. $4.11

2143
02:19:13,350 --> 02:19:15,300
Dave Jones: Does he subscribe to
everything? No, I

2144
02:19:15,300 --> 02:19:20,730
Adam Curry: just is it $4.11?
No, this, this was $5 Oh, okay.

2145
02:19:21,570 --> 02:19:24,330
Usually he does some some cool
number like that.

2146
02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:28,079
Dave Jones: Jeffrey Rutherford.
$5 Thank you Jeffrey, Chris cow

2147
02:19:28,079 --> 02:19:34,769
and $5. Jeremy Kevin not in
dollars. Damon Castle, Jack $15

2148
02:19:35,069 --> 02:19:37,799
Derek J Vickery, Derek J.
Vickery, the best name in

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Adam Curry: Thank you all so
much for supporting podcasting.

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Whatever it is. It is all

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appreciated. Go to podcast
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two red buttons. I should
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to do that. So no one's really
done anything for the tally coin

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a long while but we'll see.
You've got a Fiat fun coupon

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July. Oh, how about that we got
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moon. Hello, J Moon 22,257 SATs.
Thank you very much. So you can

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move you can do it right there
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can boost us and participate in
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Dave Jones: While while you were
while you were doing that, I got

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a got an email from Sam. saying
that we should be good to go on

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to rejoin the waitlist for pod
fans. Oh, excellent. cleared out

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the he cleared out the funk egg.

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Adam Curry: Excellent. cleared
out the Fung na. Yes. Yeah.

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Good.

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Dave Jones: I put both of our
email addresses in there. So you

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should be getting a verification
email to join good because

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Adam Curry: I'm stoked. I'm
stoked to try this thing out. I

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mean, he's got so much in there.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. And he said
that he said that will get us on

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the waiting list, and then he'll
approve our emails. Okay. So

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we're good to go.

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Adam Curry: Excellent.
Excellent. Ah, man, we went

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overboard today. We went up.
We're too too to know. Well, we

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did a row of ducks. Number
today.

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Dave Jones: Oh, my cats trying
to make my cats upset about this

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to try to get in the podcast. I
don't know. I don't know what

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the problem is.

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Adam Curry: All right, brother.
The I think we I think we've

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done it for today. All right.
When are you on vacation? Yeah,

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that's two more weeks. The 28th.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, we're leaving
the 24th and coming back on the

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31st. Okay, and be out the 28th.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. And I got in
August somewhere. We're going to

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be in Europe, but we'll we'll
work on that later.

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Dave Jones: We're going to
California. Why? We're going to

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Yosemite.

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Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well,
that's not California. Great.

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We're

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Dave Jones: gonna get to
California.

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Adam Curry: You know, we used to
we used to have camp curry in

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Yosemite, I think. Did they
change the name? Camp camp camp

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Curry was used to belong to my
kin.

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Dave Jones: Oh, really? Yeah.
Let me see. Interesting.

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Adam Curry: Let me see if it's,
and then it was sold. And then

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now they call it Curry Village.
Yeah, correct. Village, Curry

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Dave Jones: Village. We're
actually not It's not we're not

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going to it's not Yosemite.
Exactly. We're going to his

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below that. We're going to
Sequoia National Forest.

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Adam Curry: It's okay. Because,
you know, I would have blocked

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you from Curry Village. Let him
in. Keep that guy out. Now,

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there's a whole bunch of
folklore about about it was camp

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curry nuggets. Now it's Curry
Village. And one of my

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favorites, my great, great
uncle. He will go up on on top

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of one of the mountaintops
there. And they build a big

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bonfire at the end of the day,
and then they'll all be up there

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and then he would yell let the
fire footway, he would yell, let

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the fire fall. And they'd kick
all of the fire off of that and

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would all fall down like a big
waterfall of fire. That sounds

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impressive. Camp curry. Camp
curry. Now Curry Village,

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Yosemite National Park.

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Dave Jones: It says is it says
Curry Village views beyond

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belief.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh,

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Dave Jones: I believe it

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Adam Curry: has dribs God's
saying hey, there's some boosts.

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Yes, thank you very much. Our
Davis 87 long row of ducks.

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22,222 Steven B 3333. timer
reset issue is fixed in the

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split kit. Here's $1.

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Dave Jones: Why didn't Why did
you say the dollar dreads?

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Adam Curry: No. Well, I don't
know Steve. He just boosting.

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And by the way, he says 3333
SATs is exactly $1 today Yes, it

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is more or less that? I guess.
Yes. And our Davis 87. One on

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One on one correction typo from
previous origin of knowledge of

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podcasting. Okay, we're all
good. Everybody's good. Dubs.

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Thanks for the outliner link. We
all appreciate you very much.

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Thanks for being with us. Chat
Room. Have a great weekend.

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Dave. My brother have yourself a
good weekend. You too, man.

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Okay, we will be back next week
for another board meeting of

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