Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 for June 9 2023, episode 136 Moist
splints. Well, hello everybody welcome once again to the
official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 The only board
room that has genuine Vikings, everything happening at podcast
index.org Of course the podcast names face and all the goings on
at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who protects us
all for recursive Armageddon. Say hello to my friend on the
other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: The whole time for the last five minutes, I've been
fiercely running around on my desktop trying to clear since
I'm also live streaming, I'm trying to clean up my video
streaming and no agenda to try to go around and clear all the
stuff that other people are supposed to see on my desktop.
You do know that in my seat, my private key for nostril was
sitting there all kinds of really
Adam Curry: was that really. You'll learn soon enough that
streaming, in addition to doing a show is really a big
distraction. And you know, and then people don't listen to what
you're saying. They're looking at trying to write down your
private keys. You'll see you'll see you'll see it's alright. I
we've all been through a day if it's all cool. You know, I too
had to see you see me camera. I mean, it's he's remember those
days
Dave Jones: 98
Adam Curry: The Empire cam from my office in New York City. And
that was focused on the Empire State Building. Well,
Dave Jones: this is all going to result in just a you know, about
10 1015 minutes from now it's just going to be a big Oh,
that's exactly what it's exactly exactly what it's gonna be. I
will disappear and then I'll come but just hang with me. I'll
come back. It's always
Adam Curry: OBS man. That thing. Oh, kill your your processor.
Dave Jones: It's let's see, let me let me let me look at where
I'm at right now. See you soon H top.
Adam Curry: You know, when did it become a thing? I remember it
was always just top and then h top. And I'll admit H top is
pretty cool. You know, you can filter it. So you can it's
pretty the colors are pretty good. It has pretty color. So
I'll agree. Took me a while to figure out you just hit Q to get
out. That's my
Dave Jones: first thing I always try. It took me quite a
Adam Curry: while to figure that one out.
Dave Jones: We're smoother running smooth 35%.
Adam Curry: board only 30 only 35%. Not even 100%. Oh man, we
got so much to talk about and I think we should bring in our
boardroom guests right away honorary member because well,
he's one of the OGS and we're very happy to have him back.
Ladies and gentlemen, please say hello to the CEO and founder of
pod friend the world's friendliest podcast app, podcast
app, our friend Martin Morrison,
Unknown: who Hello, hello. Hello. Hello. Everyone is
everyone calls me CEO of PUC friend but that company yet but
one day One day I read
Adam Curry: that, but I read that somewhere somewhere. I read
the you have a profile?
Unknown: I think it's I think it's some Sathyan but teams that
called me CEO of pod friend at some point, but yeah, it sounds
good. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I mean, take it. I mean, I there's nothing wrong
with it.
Unknown: It's good. No,
Dave Jones: it's not not true. True. Which is the same as not
not? Yes. Yeah. Right. Where you agree, we agree with each other.
I mean, like when you know, tiny micro business, you can be
whatever you want, you can call yourself anything.
Unknown: That is actually true. And at some point, I will create
the company just to get tax deductions.
Adam Curry: So Martin joined us right at the very beginning
almost of this entire project three years ago, and created pod
friend, which was a web based podcast app, which a lot of
people really loved. And then he divorced us. And he went off and
they found a woman and a child and all this stuff. And then he
started developing games, and we were like, you know, I'd written
them out of the will. It's like, no, no, it's all right. He's
left us. And you're back. We need a little update. Martin,
where have you been? What's been going on and welcome back.
Unknown: Well, first of all, thank you and second of all,
yeah, I mean, it was quite a break. And I think in the in the
start of like, I was working on pot friend the first version and
and somehow I managed to burn myself out a little bit. Just by
moving a little bit too fast with the scissors.
Adam Curry: You poked yourself in the eye. That's what
happened. Yeah,
Unknown: exactly. But no, but at the same time I got to put
motion that work which, you know, Oh, congratulations. Well,
thank you and and but of course that just took a lot of my time
and then at the same time we we bought a house. Me and my well
then girlfriend now wife and
Adam Curry: oh, there was a wedding we I didn't. Dave did
you see an invite?
Dave Jones: I didn't I didn't I would have said they would have
sent a gift. And yeah,
Adam Curry: if you were registered anywhere I would have
sent you some, you know, like a bread maker. That's like a
classic like, here's a bread make sure that's what you need.
Unknown: flatware.
Wow, huh. i Yeah, he
Dave Jones: left money on the table. Mark. That's right. Sure.
Unknown: Yeah, no, but yeah. And then, kind of, it wasn't really
like something that I thought of like, Oh, I'm gonna take a
break. Now. It was more like just real life things. Like, as
I said, the house where everything was wrong with the
house. You know, we bought it and then Sunday night, like, Oh,
this is actually rats in the house.
Adam Curry: Does a rat in the kitchen? What am I gonna do?
Nice.
Unknown: Exactly. And yeah, there was a lot of things to
fix. And we fixed it. It's, it's good now.
Adam Curry: Now, you know, you're in Copenhagen area?
Unknown: I am. Yeah, I'm just a, what you call like the greater
Copenhagen area. So just just a little bit outside the main main
city? Nice. Yeah. But yeah, and then, you know, in the break, I
did work on Puffin. 2.0. Like I didn't even know it was like the
2.0 at that point. But I just realized that a lot of decisions
I've made was because it was the first time I made like a cross
platform app like that, where it was both on web and desktop,
and, you know, Android, and an iOS. And suddenly I find out.
Now I've taken some decisions that seem smart, but are really
for, like, enterprise companies with, you know, 100 developers,
or 200. Developers, which is
Dave Jones: where you're used to. I mean, that's, that's,
that's the life you live most of the time, right?
Unknown: So so in my day to day job, I'm actually not a
programmer anymore. Like I that's my background
engineering. Oh, he's became a management which, which, like, I
love programming, but now it's, I don't think like it's get that
out of my system in the evenings, programming and pod
friend. But yeah, I'm doing like, working from scratch, you
know, that's a lot of decision, suddenly, you can be like, Ah,
I'm going to use it different. And getting a little bit
technical now, but state management system and things
like that, and, and work this new version. I mean, there's a
lot to be said about never rebuilding something from
scratch, because there's so many bugs where it's like, oh, like
this issue like that, you know, that I'm fixing on iOS. I fixed
that two years ago in Division One, but you encountered a lot
of the same things. But but the foundation is just so much
stronger now. So I can move a lot faster now. So
Adam Curry: now I need to ask, are you what are you using?
Naughty fluffer? What does I called Fluffy,
Unknown: fluffy. So sad. I think it's, what does it flutter
flutter flutter. That's what I was looking for. Yeah, but I'm
not, I'm not using that. Actually. I'm using React. And
then I'm using, like an OS code that's on the client side. And
then I'm for the desktop app, I'm using something called
electron. And then for the native apps, I'm using something
called Cordova, Apache Cordova where you can basically take a
web app, and then compile it into a native app. And then when
you need native capabilities, then you bring in like either
plugins, or you write your own way you then write the native
code, that means suddenly, you know, 99% of the app, you know,
stuff, like showing a list of podcasts, you don't need native
code for that. You don't need it to be like, you know, pedal to
the metal and you know, every inch of performance know that
you just need something cross platform for that. And that's
what I do. So the only thing that I really use native code
for is the audio and in the future, things like
notifications, and probably if I'm going to, you know, expand
into you know, CarPlay and things like that. Maybe I need a
bit more.
Adam Curry: Now if I if I recall, you were having issues
with Apple the first time around getting your app approved. Did
you actually ever get it approved at that time?
Unknown: I got close. Whoo. Yeah. But But, but no, it never
got through the test flight. So you know, I managed To talk to
maybe you know, 10 people at Apple, you know, every time you
submit it, someone new is going to look at your look at it and
give you a reason why it wasn't approved. And, and every time I
got like, I think the nine first reasons I got for, you know, not
approving it was, hey, you know, this, you know, we can see you
also have web part friend.com. And, you know, the app is to
say, Mr. That's the website. So just be, you know, a website. So
it doesn't need to be an app. And I'm like, Well, you can say
that about any app.
Adam Curry: Really, thanks, douchebags. That's not very
cool. And of them.
Unknown: So it felt like I got punished a bit for also having
the website. But But then in the end, you know, I wrote, I wrote,
basically, you know, every single time I wrote a new reason
why I thought, Hey, by it should pass by and then it I think the
last attempt, it did actually go by that hurdle. And then it
became something else that was a problem. I can't even remember
it, like the screenshots not matching the, the app or
something, because some of y'all know, like, some marketing
material. And then, of course, of course, you know, pod friend,
you know, I run with sis up. So suddenly, the one screen doesn't
match what's actually in the app. And yeah, but I do see
Apple actually less than II loosening up a bit like they
they are trying to have a better image, like also with
progressive web apps. Seems like they are trying to make Safari
less of Internet Explorer. So
Adam Curry: what are they trying to make it? And just better? You
mean? Is that is that an improvement? less of an Internet
Explorer? I'm not quite sure what Yeah,
Unknown: I can see, I can see that they're trying to improve
it a lot. I mean, of course, something's still taking time.
And I, the way I see it, it's probably like an anti monopoly,
like thing that they're trying to do. Because Oh, yeah, of
course, they've already been pushed to, you know, allow some
apps from outside the App Store. And I think this is an attempt
for them to say, oh, you know what, you know, we can run any
progressive web app. So I think they felt like they had to up
their game.
Dave Jones: Now, how far down the stack? Did you go with the
rewrite? I mean, did you just go from complete scratch? dynoed?
Like, the empty, empty project level? Or did you?
Unknown: Yeah, I mean, empty pocket, empty project level, but
then, because because they kind of had to, because I used a
different both a different framework for the interface. And
then I also use a different framework for state management.
But, of course, there are some things, you know, the whole, the
whole server side, I haven't touched because all the API
endpoints are still there. And that's why, you know, when Adam
said, hey, I can still use my old view. So you know, that's
because the whole background was the same. That was cool. Yeah.
And, of course, there are also things where I started from
scratch, but then I, you know, went into the old files copied a
bit of code and paste it in. And, you know, it's not like, I
want to rewrite everything just for the sake of rewriting
everything. But I did want to consider like, did I do this the
right way, the last time? And if yes, okay, well, then I can
reuse the code, but I wanted it to be like a deliberate
decision, every single
Dave Jones: use subscribe to the rewrite it three times
methodology. You know, the third time is, like, right at once
you're gonna hate it right? It's right at the second time,
realize, you know, man, if I'd only done this, and the third
time's the charm.
Unknown: Yeah. So I fully buy into that, if I'm getting paid
to do it. Yes, because it definitely does improve it. Like
I remember. You know, some of the times when I've worked for
bigger companies, for example, like the one I'm working for
now, you know, we did do that where we, you know, really,
really thought hard about, like, this function should be the best
it could be. And then, you know, you rewrite it and couldn't be
shorter, couldn't be more clear, and you can always improve it.
But when running with scissors is like, I am like, Well, why
would I rewrite it as like, it's a piece of software that, you
know, as long as it works, I might never return to it. So,
yes, I would return to what I see, you know, needs work. Like
for example, you know, the current part friend 2.01 of my
co workers have designer he offered to help out a bit and as
you know, he asked me, okay, so now what do you feel strongly
about changing as like, well, I don't feel strongly about
changing anything like I like if, if there's something where
we can see it improvement. Well,
Adam Curry: then well, one of the one of the things that you
did, which just blew my socks off is the way you are
presenting transcripts.
Unknown: Oh, yeah. That was actually funny. Like, it kind of
almost happened by, like, by chance. But the people that
follow along on podcast index at social, they might remember I
posted a screenshot like, Hey, does anyone have ideas on how,
you know, this could be better? And of course, some people did
reply, like and said, Hey, this app does it well. And I looked,
and I was like, Yeah, it's fine, but it's not.
Adam Curry: Oh, the F word. Fine, fine.
Unknown: And then, and then I saw like, hey, we have these
speakers and most of these transcripts, like, why couldn't
it be like, you know, and I thought about, like, a text or
messenger conversation. And then I saw, hey, you know, these
names? Could I, you know, put into Avataan, another person
tag, and I'm like, hey, you know, almost all transcripts
that I look at, they have the same name as speakers as in the
person tag, I can just pull in the avatar. And then yeah, the
rest is history. I, I do plan now to, you know, have some kind
of currently playing page where, where you can see the
transcript, but then you can also see, you know, during that
timeline that boosts that come in, and when they come in, and
Adam Curry: you're going to show Oh, you're going to show booths
like fountain does.
Unknown: I haven't seen how fountain does it? It's been a
long time since I've
Adam Curry: okay, you're going to surface them though. That was
put it that way you want to surface? Yes. Okay.
Unknown: Yeah, Oscar actually reached out to me about he had
an idea about how we could share boosts comments together.
Adam Curry: The evil plan comes true.
Unknown: But essentially, that's actually that's, that would be
really cool. Because I think that is one thing, like, maybe
not missing, but it would be a very, very nice to have. Because
if I want to surface boosts, if I can only show you know what's
coming through pod friend, of course, then I'm missing a lot
of the ecosystem. And even if pod friend was to get, you know,
popular, which of course, I hope it does, then, you know, can I
was no doubt that, you know, fountain would still be popular.
And and it would be nice if, like if if the whole ecosystem
Bookshare?
Adam Curry: Well, this, this brings me to an import. First of
all, I'd love it if you do it the same way that that fountain
does it. I personally like adding a service into the value
block split. And just so that you know, so I send one, one 1%
to fountain and that activates. Yeah, I think it actually
activates from any app that you then boost from. Now it doesn't
it doesn't handle the I think that's the way it was the way it
works.
Unknown: I mean, that makes make sense, right? Because then they
also get a boost. I mean, the only thing that I could have,
like the only thing I could have against that is that when you
look at podcasting to kind of defeat, I think you already have
12 people in there. And you know, you keep adding more at
some point, you're almost going to run out of splits. Well,
well,
Adam Curry: this is a different, there's a couple issues here.
First of all, thank you very much for sending me your wallet
information upfront. That forced me to and this is for Steven B.
It's when you're when you're using a general channel level
value block just for the show. Or even if it's episode it
whenever you need to copy it to another place copy your value
block currently in sovereign feeds have to copy every single
one over individually. And I royally screwed it up today. I
had dred Scott's wrong, I had the boost bot, right, everything
all wrong. So I've been fixing that on the fly while we were
talking. So I think that's now fixed. But this kind of rolls
into that. And I love that you're gonna be surfacing the
boosts. Let's just put that privacy conversation aside for
now. That's something we can talk about. Dave and I had a
conversation with the Bitcoin 24 people this week. And I just and
it's very relevant to what we're talking about here. And I came
up with an idea, which I think is it's a business, I always
love coming up with ideas for businesses, other people can do,
because I'm not going to do it. So we're talking about doing it.
It's very interesting. Organizational structure, they
have their so we've talked to the general manager, and the
production manager who produces the entire event. But there's
apparently a different team, what's the content team and we
will have to pitch to them in order to get this session on the
schedule, which I'm not worried about. Sounds like you know,
these geyser, they're all in, they love the idea. But so we
still have to do that and that I'm not not too worried about
it, and it probably includes me writing something for the
Bitcoin magazine, all of that will happen. But as we're
listening to them, they said, you know, we tried to set up
with I think with with Oscar and with fountain, we tried to set
up a live stream of the Bitcoin 2023 event in Miami, which I'm
going to presume was audio only. And I'm just, I'm just gonna
leave the audio video, whichever it is, I'm gonna leave that to
the side for one moment. Because we're talking through this,
like, you know, we could probably set this up, we've done
this with 100%, retro, where we can have value blocks change, we
can have album art change, and then all of a sudden, it hit me,
holy crap, this is a business listen to this. If you could
have essentially a live operator, even using something
as sovereign feeds, just like when the live stream is going,
and I play a song and I switch to the song and I hit this, I
activate it in, in my little intro interface here, I activate
the value block. This is something that could be done at
every single conference in the world, where you make sure that
every speaker has a lightning wallet compatible, of course,
now, I'm gonna leave how they how they get into a value block
on the side here. But essentially, the conference is
running someone's listening live, you know, just like
someone is, is switching cameras or doing whatever they have to
do. When the next speaker gets on or the next panel, click
activate that block, bam, you've got four different wallets for
the panel on stage. At that point, all streaming Sats are
going through the the actual messages that will be sent even
from the live audience can surface in the apps or even
surface on the screens in the at the event itself. This is a
whole new value for value proposition for conferences.
When most people go to a conference, you don't get paid.
Now all of a sudden, you can not only get paid, you can have the
interaction from the audience, people at home can see that you
don't have to be looking at screens, you can come in on the
apps. I mean, this to me was like, Oh, this is a business
here that would add to any live production of any event. And to
have this surface live in the apps I think is a winner.
Dave Jones: Why couldn't you extend this the same concept to
web to webinars? Yes, like over RSS, just over RSS. icon down
Adam Curry: exactly. Everything, it's a whole new way of looking
at value for value and with the lid protocol, with the streams.
Webinars a great idea with a stream, it's streaming and
someone has to operate this obviously, but that's you know,
maybe Steven B can quit his day job and do this full time. And
then at the end the webinar turns into we're recording and
all the value blocks are intact in the right spot with his
beautiful synchronization system.
Dave Jones: But through but through podcast apps, just yes
or no pike you know yet you tune in to this webinar or not
through zoom. But through pod friends.
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. And I just got all hyped about I'm
like oh my god this this is this is something completely new.
Now. What if anyone wants to do this? October Bitcoin Amsterdam,
is when they'd like to do it and the streaming you know, they,
they're gonna send out a stream. I mean, that's not the hardest
part. It's, you know, setting this up and collecting all the
info and getting you know, getting people lightning
wallets. I'm sure. Moritz get Alby would be delighted to help.
I mean, this is something this is a two point a podcasting 2.0
business opportunity where once again, love it. Everybody wins.
Everybody gets a point off of this, including the app
developers
Dave Jones: ambitious said like America's Got Talent.
Adam Curry: Well, you can, of course you can do I mean, we can
extend that wherever you want to go. But I think initially, just
to be able to have a panel. And just so and this is partially,
I'm gonna get back to you here, Martin, because you said hey,
why don't you do the you know, if you want to put me in the
live block, and this is something we should have done a
long time ago. But we had guests upon guests and I felt it was
unfair for the previous week's guests to not get the you know,
the booths from this week. So now, since Dave and I did two
weeks in a row ourselves, we've turned it around. So now the
guests will be in the car Aren't live block. And cool. Yes. So if
you boost, if you boost right now Martin gets, you know,
Martin gets included in the live stuff,
Unknown: I must say that's really motivational. I can
actually sit here and look at my LP wallet and see the the SAT
streaming. That's it's a pretty nice experience.
Dave Jones: So it is working here you're seeing that it's
definitely working. Yeah, this is
Adam Curry: this is hot, baby, I love it. But think about how we
can blow the webinars, conferences, anything. And of
course, you could pre program Dave, you know, we have we have
the software for that. But I think having and I'm not quite
sure how you do that, you know, not everybody has, of course, a
feed. But I from what I understand from the new
description of the value time split tag is you don't even have
to have a feed. But as long as you have someplace where there
were a lightning addresses referenced, I'm not quite sure
of the technical parts of it. But it seems like that should be
relatively easy to set up. And then you know, next panel, it's
for people, they all have a lightning wallet, they all get
this equal split, the moderator might get a little bit more, you
know, of course, the venue, the actual organizer of the event
gets a piece. There's a piece leftover for the app, there's a
piece of leftover for the person running this business. And for
the lightning wallets. I mean, it can
Dave Jones: be here cotton gin, screwing around. He says when
can I boost my president? That a political political rallies?
Same thing? Same thing? That's Yes, a campaign donation. I
mean, Hey, Ryan. This is
Adam Curry: rice. Rice, sexiest sexy, the lit protocol, the lit
item, the live item tag really brings a whole new category of
cool stuff to light.
Unknown: In you guys.
Dave Jones: Now, there's some things. There's some things that
are needed for that though, like what one one thing is we so
we're gonna, we're gonna have to push this. We're gonna have to
push this idea there that?
Adam Curry: Well, here's the here's the target. And then the
target is Bitcoin. Amsterdam, October. Those guys are
completely open. They're virgin. They're blank slate. They're
jacked about, and we don't need any permission from the whole
Starfleet Command over there. It sounds like our producer of
what's his name? Scott, I think, who does the production of the
events? Sounds like he was like, how do we get this going? So we
can we can make this happen quite easily as long as we can
put all the pieces in place.
Dave Jones: So that the issue that I see it, this is not an
issue that stops any of this. But there's a couple there's a
couple things here that bring that that come to mind. So
firstly, we need the price and I will take this as my as my duty.
We need a an explainer a comprehensive thing that shows
exactly how to do this. It because because I'm impressed
that you just read the value time split and understood it.
Because it is I was I rewrote and rewrote the wording. They're
using what Alex had put together a ridge initially, and was just
trying to tweak more language here and there. It is a
difficult thing to explain. First of all, I
Adam Curry: feel I'm very flattered that you are impressed
that I understood what you wrote. But
Dave Jones: I'm impressed because I read it and I didn't
understand it. Like,
Unknown: did you rewrite it three times Dave?
Dave Jones: Did not reread it? Well, of course, I read it
probably 16 times I
Adam Curry: read it and immediately went, Well, how come
I can't do recursion? Which everyone was laughing like, Oh,
I see why. Yeah, that could be that could cause a problem.
Dave Jones: This is because I know how I know how the thing
works. And um, but maybe it's all the years of helpdesk work
or whatever that is. I'm reading this and I'm like, no, no,
nobody, no human is going to understand this unless you
already know what it does. Right. And so I think I even
wrote in the spec. This thing needs, there's going to be an
explainer for it because we were I wrote that blog post a while
back about how to do live. But really, really, I mean, so much
has changed now. There really needs to be a dedicated
document. That's sort of like between a spec in England and
Adam Curry: a manual. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. Joe. So
Stephen B, of course already said tell me what you need. I'll
have a bill by the end of the week. Okay. Yeah. Obviously, but
his production tool is pretty much already there. I mean, what
I'd say is, I would need a way to put in lightning addresses.
So right now he has albums, and then you know, it automatically
propagates the value block. So to be able to just use the same
interface, you have to see sovereign feeds.com To
understand what I'm talking about. But to have it, you know,
just say, Okay, here's a list of lightning, lightning addresses.
And I can just select them the same way. And then I can
activate the value block or whatever I mean, it, it fits
within the spec, the way I understood, it doesn't
necessarily have to be an RSS feed. It's a it's a remote item.
Correct. Okay, so that does not have to be an RSS feed, or did I
misunderstand that?
Dave Jones: I don't know, what you mean by does not have to be
an RSS feed. Okay, so
Adam Curry: where do you get the information from? So when I'm
playing a song, the information for that value block for that
song is in its RSS feed? For remote value? Yeah, the value
block. Right. Now, if I have four speakers on a panel, how do
I put them into a into a complete value block?
Dave Jones: Okay, yes. Okay. That's what you mean. So that,
yes, there's two, there's two, the two functions for the value
time split time, the value time split tag. We're very we're
veering into, you understand we're veering into fifth
namespace talk here. So
Adam Curry: is it hot and sexy? Because then you know, then we
complain. And now it's time for a namespace talk, not just som
namespace talk. It's hot, hot,
Unknown: hot, hot. Hot namespace talk.
Dave Jones: I mean, it even has the word split in it. So yes.
The, the name the value time split tag as to possible
children, that one, it can, it can take either a remote item
tag, which would reference another feed somewhere else, or
it can directly except value, value recipient tags. So you can
go you can just be statically, put those in, or you can
reference a remote item where it's done. And that would be
dynamic on the fly. Because it's dynamic on the fly. Look up. I
mean, right? Yeah. So you've got you can go either way with it
for the webinar, or thing or webinar or whatever, live live
stream. It can be a mix of both. I mean, like, if you're playing,
if obviously, if you're doing a live, live show on the stage at
blah, blah, blah, and you decide to play music, well, then you
can reference a remote item of the feed that that musics coming
from. If you were just in then if after that a speaker comes on
stage and begins to talk. It could just be a static value
recipient block for that speaker.
Adam Curry: Gotta gotta gotta you gotta go. Okay, perfect. So,
yes, we need to write that up. Yep. Yep. It would be great if
we can figure out and I guess Dave, you and I will talk to the
Bitcoin 24 Production guys about getting this going. And, and
then we'll see, you know, who raises their hand? I mean,
whoever will need someone to, you know, to operate the system
during the conference, which can be multiple people, of course.
And, and again, you know, it's like everybody gets I think, if
you have an audience, especially Bitcoin people, and, and they
have up on, you know, they have a sessions going on, and it
says, you know, use a podcasting 2.0 app. And if they also have a
screen or something where they're showing the booster
grams, and I think this that would be kind of off the hook.
Dave Jones: If it would bring in I think it would break things.
Yes.
Adam Curry: I think it's a no, no, I think it's a money making
trains, I think it will break brands, I think it's a money
making opportunity. People will get it, that audience will get
it and conference organizers, everywhere. We'll get it the
number one thing is your speaker's speaker, you know if
that if you're not promoting something, if you're not being
if you're if you're not being sent by your company, to show
something, which is probably a good 70% of the speakers. But
other people just show up, you know, maybe they get comped for
the for the attendance fee. But to actually get value from the
audience while you're doing this, hello, this is my life,
and doesn't matter if it's 10 days dollars, or $10,000, the
fact that someone is feeding back in real time, and maybe
while I'm speaking, I can have my screen open right there and
see what's coming in. Questions from the audience, anyone?
Dave Jones: Well, we I think we need here. Here's part two of
this. I think I texted you this morning, I think we need to make
as part of this whole thing. So it's yes, a real push for Bo
Adam Curry: Boyle. And this will make it happen at that
conference.
Dave Jones: And I can tell you and let me tell you why. Because
I don't know if you saw strikes announcement of like, Dave
completely reengineered their their infrastructure?
Adam Curry: No, I haven't. Yeah, I think this
Dave Jones: maybe was posted today or yesterday it's been
within the last day or so. They've they've done a complete
overhaul, they now custody, their own their own coins, bank,
Bitcoin, they have new banking part, getting rid of plaid. Oh,
good. Tons of stuff was about
Adam Curry: time that got rid of plaid.
Dave Jones: Yeah, they're doing tons of stuff there. And one of
the things is, they're making it where you can spend, when you
send somebody money or receive money, that those funds can
either go into or come out of your cash balance or your
Bitcoin balance, it's interchangeable, they're all the
same. They're doing a lot of stuff here. And this is the
perfect the but the issue is if I want to use my stripe wallet,
as my way to receive receive value for value sets, through a
pilot through EMET as a podcaster, I can't I can't
generate invoices for all those things. It's not it's not
feasible, right. So the what what in in, and I have a really
hard time believing that striker is going to implement keys and
in keys and reset, you know, receiving, because that means
they would have to have a custom, custom key custom value
for every wallet and all that kind of stuff. And so what the
proper fix for this is both 12
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. That gets all that stuff out of the
way.
Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz it can generate invoices. So you, if
you if you put in bolt, what if it's, if everybody adopts Bolt
12 you can it's really reasonably reusable invoice,
right? You can generate it once it's tied to your strike account
or your cash app account or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
you blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, everybody can
use their own thing for
Adam Curry: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it
Dave Jones: opens the field way up and makes this a whole lot
easier,
Adam Curry: we'll do that that's a part of it, that that will be
a part of and that'll be a part of the pitch.
Dave Jones: We're affected. We, if there's one thing that we are
good at, we are effective users of shame, and I think we can
employ that
Adam Curry: degree. That's right. I do shame on you.
Dave Jones: We can deploy that strategy.
Adam Curry: Well, also, to be even more fair about it. I mean,
we're doing things we were the first I would say lightning
project to really get people to part with their Bitcoin on a
consistent basis. Yeah, not even from purchasing something per
se. And we are still, as far as I know, really one of the few
who have really implemented micro payments, which is not
even on the lightning labs radar anymore. You know, like, well,
how can we send, you know, big, big money and how can we make it
USD?
Dave Jones: Z for feet Z for V? stats.com? Yes, shorts. Yeah.
But yeah, like my favorite thing was that was when, when you
brought that up in the Bitcoin ran the lightning roundtable,
and they said, Well, you're probably just gonna have to send
bigger payments. No, yeah,
Adam Curry: that that was that was actually quite lame. When
that would that came back as the answer.
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, this is this is a fantastic idea. I love
I love this. Wow, incoming.
Adam Curry: I haven't looked at the Go ahead, Martin. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I
Unknown: was just thinking, you know, you know, we're talking
about podcasting. 2.0 apps, but why not make a, you know, a
specific conference app, you know, both for hosts. And for
the attendees, you know, that only shows to speaks, you know,
you can attend play, you
Adam Curry: know why? Because we
Unknown: can delete the use of it.
Adam Curry: We can even make a music specific app. So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna hang around waiting for that to happen.
Personally. I think we haven't. We have the we have the
infrastructure. Of course, someone could do that, of
course. But let's not wait for it. We have podcast apps that do
that do this. I mean, we also didn't make a live only app for
for the live stuff. You know, it's all within the podcast app.
So I think we have the infrastructure ready to go.
Dave Jones: We can definitely put a new note on that note and
Martin we can definitely put a new medium type in there. That's
Adam Curry: what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I mean. I
Unknown: mean, I mean, you Note, you know, I certainly imagined
that some point, you know, at the top or bottom or side of pot
friend note, you will be able to switch between music and
podcasts and then imagine you can just go into options or
even, you know, have a different version of pot friend that's
called, you know, no conference friend.
Adam Curry: Short, medium, Martin. So, come on Viking, we
know what you're doing. You're setting up your business
already, you know, conference friend, yes. I have a new app
I'm building Yeah, we know, it's
Unknown: just the main
Adam Curry: move faster, what else is gonna do it? And well,
this, this brings up one other point, which is important. The
last song that we played on podcasting 2.0, which we did
with the value time split, was Cory Keller. And as I and a lot
of other people noticed, it didn't move the needle on it in
Wave lake. And that is because it's self hosted, which is
completely valid. And the only bummer about that I don't really
care too much about the chart. But the bummer was, I have as
the as the broadcaster as the facilitator of this. I have no
idea how well that was received by the audience. And I know
we've talked about it before. But when we switch the value
block, I need to have some way of seeing that in heli pad or
some I need to be able to know that this went to this block.
And that's what this stream is streaming payment or forget that
what this booster booster gram was for? I know we've talked
about it, but it doesn't seem to have there's nothing to nothing.
Nothing happened. The hell it's like we talked about it.
Where's, where's the proof?
Dave Jones: I liked it. I liked it. That's how this goes. We
discussed it. And it didn't it didn't happen.
Adam Curry: Whenever we talked about something, Stephen B
always makes it happen. So I don't understand what happened.
What needs to be done for that to work. Is it possible? I mean,
it's not about a chart I'm not interested in in top 40s. I
mean, it's fun to have. But it's more, it's more important that
as a as a as a podcast, as a podcaster. I can see oh, you
know, I'm really happy that this guy, you know, got 100,000 sets
of words, here's the messages he got or whatever. I just want to
know I hadn't, I have no feedback, whereas the artist has
a feedback, but I don't have the feedback.
Dave Jones: Now, it can happen. It can happen. I'll make it
happen.
Adam Curry: Can you just tell me how that works? How will you
make it happen?
Dave Jones: I'll write the code for it.
Adam Curry: But where is the where's the code have to live?
Is that is that code unhealthy pad or is that? Oh, it's just an
okay. So it's not the way we're sending it? It's it's how it's
being parsed?
Dave Jones: Well, it's well, it's all that I mean, like if
the So hello, hello, Pat just needs to be modified in order to
help it needs to be modified in order to see the new, the new
components of the TLV record. It's not exposing that to you.
That's that's the problem. God so so you're not you're not
seeing the new information. And that that's just something I
just had to get in there and do it.
Unknown: Is there any information in the TLB that
that, you know, signals that hey, this was sent back to this
podcast, but on behalf of another podcast? That's
Dave Jones: it? It is yeah, it is. We put that in there and
meet let me see if I can find it. Is blipped in. And that's
part of the
Adam Curry: sausage. There's some additional stuff coming
through the TLV record.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's in the namespace. Now, Martin.
Adam Curry: Let me get with it. Martin for you.
Unknown: Where you been Mario's you know, I implemented the
value at Sam's player. And I think I forgot that details. So
you know, people that are getting the boost, they will
just it will look like any boost that's coming through. So that's
something I'll have to add
Dave Jones: on that page right now. So let me find out. Let me
let me get it for you. Okay, so here it is. So there we added
two new optional fields in the TLV. And one is called remote
feed Gu ID and string and the other one's called Remote item.
Good. That's it. It's sometimes the payment will be sent to a
feed value but because a different feed referenced it in
a pack podcast value time split tag, when that happens, this
field will contain the GUID of the referencing feed.
Adam Curry: And I really love this and anyone who's
implementing blit I hope you all do that. Because there's
something came up that just switching topics a little bit
here. You know, Tucker Carlson very famous American television
host he got fired from his job for whatever reasons. It's all
political, not important. But he started posting on Twitter. Are
and I find it highly irritating that you know there's a little
number on there there and says 125 million views. And people
like oh see it mainstream is over which it is. But this is
not your metric. This is Elon Musk's bullshit number who knows
what that is it is review five seconds, 10 seconds, 10 minutes,
the whole thing, what you know, what is a view? And it's
completely meaningless. And when we have these types of things
built in at the ground level of what we're doing, it's 100 it's
almost I got close. I'll give it I'll give myself a horn.
Dave Jones: I think you mean ultimately. Yes. Ultimately,
Adam Curry: it's it's real measurement. You know, and maybe
it's not public like those bullcrap view numbers are, but
it's important and it's valuable to the to the makers to the
people who are part of that transaction, you know, and
that's and it's real and when it's real and it's and it
involves real value is much more valuable than some number where
people are because this is coming you know, after YouTube
now it's gonna be Twitter's the new place to put your podcast
you just watch so I'm gonna happen in the podcast Industrial
Complex has already all jacked up about it. I'm looking at you
rob Greenlake
Dave Jones: knows eject about it
Adam Curry: and I call them out on Twitter. So what is it what
so what there's no RSS feed in or out? What is the view? What
does it mean? And you know he copped to it. But this, this
knee jerk reaction, oh, let's let's just a new place. It's a
new place to go. Let's face it, podcasting. This is hat tip to
Todd, a blueberry. The the COVID period is over. When everyone
was creating a podcast or anyone who had a podcast created
another podcast, we're back to 5% growth per year Slow and
Steady as she goes. There's no more magic money, and certainly
not at Spotify.
Dave Jones: The this, this brings up this brings up
something I've been thinking about. And I mean, I think it's
I love this is out of the blue, but I love the apple vision Pro
headset goggle thing.
Adam Curry: I love it too. But maybe you're being facetious.
Dave Jones: I love I love it. And I'll tell you why I am being
I don't know if facetious is the right word because I don't know
what the definition of it is. But I'm I love this product.
Because in my opinion, this is the this will be in the future.
This will be looked back upon as the poster child for when
everything began to fall apart.
Adam Curry: You mean like mainstream media?
Dave Jones: No more or more main that the the lie the lie of the
of the tank, the lie of technology and technological
progress. Interesting. I think the I think the bits the big
tech lie, is what I think I'm talking about. Because the so
you have what the you know, there's that famous there's that
quote about Peter Thiel, I think we may have mentioned is we were
promised flying cars, and we got 140 characters, right? Yeah.
This is a this has been on my mind a lot. And you know, it has
I think it's our I think it's already started this this this
decline what you might want to call like a slow fade of, of the
of the entertainment of digital. Let's see how would you describe
like a it's like a slow fade of the digital network
entertainment.
Adam Curry: When you went out when you say network, what do
you mean, because I've long declared the network to be over.
Dave Jones: Right. But I mean, I mean things like streaming
things. Social media. I think there is a general fatigue that
is setting in not because and I think it was prompted initially
by COVID I think COVID broke broke the entire world mentally.
I think we don't I think we're all we all in agreement on that.
Yeah, we're in a we're globally as a part as a as a as human
species. We're we've been walking around in a fog for the
last 18 months, because we don't know what to do now. We don't
know how to process this thing that just happened to us where
the where our entire worlds were flipped upside down temporarily
for a couple of years and then supposedly go back to normal.
That's It's just not how that's not how humans function. And so
that you began to see this slow fade. And, well, there's a clip
abroad, I'm clipping again for the second week in a row Windows
weekly, which I need to put their value away. They don't
have a value block. So we'll just have to play and then we'll
get we'll get nothing for this. That's right. But this is this
is a little bit of a longer clip, which I apologize for. But
I think I think it's kind of necessary.
Unknown: But this is the correlation with the PC market
decline. We
Adam Curry: are post pandemic, yes, people are playing fewer
online games. Full stop. By the way, we're seeing podcasting,
too. Incidentally. Sure. Spotify just laid off hundreds of
podcasts, employees, our audiences for all of our shows
is is down by 10 20% I don't know what you're experiencing
Richard, you might be a little protected because you're
offering something so specific to enterprises. There's just
admitted sis admins, but I'm with you. The numbers are off a
bit. Yeah, maybe 10%. And I think that's, that's the that's
the same thing we're seeing across the board. It's the end
the end of the pandemic, the beginning. I also think the
weather's getting nice, weather's nice, out and from,
from a point of view of podcasting, but this is probably
true also of gaming. So you might as well I stopped playing
video games look at this guy, he's the source of the problem
now but that literally has nothing to pandemic has nothing
to do with it. Like it like my, my youth by listening time or
whatever, on podcasts has not changed in the slightest, I
still listen to those things the same times and places and right
lengths of time, as I always did, because I go to the gym
most days. And when I'm driving the car, whatever it is, like
that's, that's my time I usually ready in the morning and I'm
shaving and stuff I for on a podcast like I, I I'm a little
confused of that stuff. Timing, changing i is a people suddenly
going back to work that I'm gonna wear. But I feel like, you
know, you go to cities, and these office buildings are all
empty. So yeah, I, I feel like this stuff. You're I think
podcasts are a better place than video games, because video
games, you're dedicated and have to do it. But podcasts are
things that people can do in those won't cast maybe as a
category. But individual shows, including this show might be
suffering, because you know, yeah, I'm still listening
Windows weekly, but not as much. Because there's all these other
shows. And I'm sampling other things. I think there's such an
array of content out there right now and so many things to
attract your attention. That every kind of, you know, thing.
content consumption, including video games, is fragmented, more
and probably suffering as a result. I don't know. I'm just
thinking, the fact that you're not playing Call of Duty. Yeah.
You may say, Well, I'm an assistant like I did for me,
right, like your stand, but you're not such an outlier, in a
sense that maybe there's other people think and you don't
really cut back on this gaming was one thing for me to play
$600 of Val Haim in COVID. I haven't I haven't touched Val,
every once in a while I fire it up. And I go, Yeah, and I play
for a little bit and stop. I think times have changed. Now,
can I respond to this briefly for a second? For sure. The way
I interpret this clip is what I've been saying for a long
time, is that the days of the number one this the number one
that this is a must see TV, this is the only place to be we've
got all the viewers, all the people that's been over for a
long, long time. And television networks, the only thing they
have is their phony baloney Nielsen system, which is, you
know, creates an artificial value in an artificially created
scarcity of content, because that the linear, the linear
networks, where they only have 24 hours a day to make their
money. And secondarily, and this is why value for value was the
only way forward in my mind is you know, because because what
they missed there is the overall recession that we're in
globally, which also always brings down advertising rates,
that people just cannot subscribe to, you know, 10 $20 a
month streaming services. And that goes for podcast two, I
think podcast subscriptions, will also probably be limited.
For that very same reason where value for value, spreads it out
across the entire board. And people are getting very, very
particular with what they're going to spend their money on
what entertainment and when they're forced into payments.
It's going to be a non starter and that is for the reasons they
say there. But they're kind of missing the missing the overall
point of the idea of oh, I'm on the homepage of iTunes. No one
cares that your community and you get out of it what your
community puts into it.
Dave Jones: See, I think there's two I think there's two things
happening here. There's ech advert we know advertising is
down, for sure. We know that that's
Adam Curry: what got revenue was up. It's crazy.
Dave Jones: It is, which is, which is it's a miracle. We
know, we know this is the case with with advertising. But
that's that's not necessarily what he's talking about here.
He's saying, and and they are concurring, that listener that
just flat out listening is down. And that's, you know, the
podcast, the advertising piece that is affecting us clearly
companies like Spotify, NPR, you know, everybody that's led this
laying people off
Adam Curry: now just op three confirmed that listening is down
overall.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I don't know. And it could in this this is
this is where, you know, that's, that's a complex question.
Unknown: i But yeah, I think if I can just cut in my from, from
my perspective, I certainly think, you know, if I look at my
own patterns, and you know, some of my friends patterns where we,
you know, talk about podcasting are listening is up, but we're
listening to a lot more smaller podcasts, like, so it's more
distributed, like I think, you know, you talk about, you know,
social fatigue. And I think that's definitely true, but I,
but I think people are just going to smaller communities.
And I think that holds true for podcasting as well. Like, you
know, I think a lot of people they maybe even find podcasting
true, the big shows like something like, you know,
Dateline or, you know, cereal, and then, you know, and, and
those big shows, you know, they typically monetized but then
people, you know, they find out, Oh, there's all these other
shows, you know, and some of those small shows they're not
monetized. Yeah.
Adam Curry: How about this? How about this as a as a off the
wall theory, because we all broke during COVID. The thing
we're tired, and I certainly have this, and I, I'm sure
there's a overall fatigue of being a part of the mass. And
the mass usually is split up to, you know, pro against Red, Blue
up down, you know, it's all we're tired of being part of a
big group that fights against another group, or just being
part of a big group in general. And that, to me is almost as
certain as the pendulum swings between centralized and
decentralized, you know, that in technology, you see this all the
time. And I think, for the first time, we may be seeing, or, you
know, the pendulum has been in the centralized, centralized
sector for entertainment for a long time. And now it's
decentral. You know, it's kind of like when we had, we had
disco, film that's like, oh, and then we had punk and we had ska,
we had Blitz, we had all these, you could go into your list. And
then, you know, like, we in America, we had Bo top 40 radio,
and then we had college radio, I was cool to find this little
college station. Now, I think that pendulum swings as well, we
may be on a massive swing towards decentralization of our
entertainment.
Dave Jones: That That makes a lot of sense. I think it also
fits. It also fits with my, with my pretty pretty well, actually,
with my much general inclination, which is my overall
my podcast, consumption is down a little bit, but not a ton. But
my overall media consumption if you're my media diet as a whole,
is definitely down. And it's, it's because like, You're You're
a hard read on this, Adam, because you this is your job. I
mean, your job is media, you know, deconstruction. So you're
not really, it's not really a clear, we're clear with you. But
like I saw at first with Netflix, we dropped, we dropped
our Netflix subscription. And we didn't drop it. The reason we
dropped it is because we went like four months and didn't even
didn't even open the app, because because it's almost like
they just simply ran out of compelling content. Now,
Adam Curry: let me give you a personal experience. Okay. Yes,
being a media deconstructionist, I felt I needed everything. And
I had a $300 spectrum, subscription cable television
included internet to be honest. So that chunk of those internet
but it was outrageous. And when Tucker Carlson left I was pretty
much the only thing I would check out and not even regularly
my own fatigue because like he's not saying anything interesting.
We, we cut it, got rid of it. We got rid of it. And then we got
YouTube TV. And we haven't fired that thing up more than five
times.
Dave Jones: Okay, see this the end? This is this is what I'm
saying. And so I have I don't know that anybody understands
exactly why This is but
Adam Curry: let me just interject. Okay, we watch the
chosen on on their own app on the Roku. And the other day, we
wanted to watch the K love awards and got it not on YouTube
TV on YouTube, the Trinity broadcast network. Very. So I'm
kind of more with Martin. Our consumption is up, but it's much
more diverse. And, and you know, and I'm I am, I am definitely
listening to more podcasts for longer than I used to. Now I
have opportunity, I don't have a commute, but you know, I cook, I
do, you know, dishwasher cleaning. I take showers, you
know, this, this is when I'm listening most of the time. And
I would say overall, the length that I'm listening, maybe I have
maybe add one or two podcasts, but the length is up. And I'm
also feeling much better for it.
Dave Jones: For sure, that's yes, I would. That's for sure.
The case with me too. I think there are, I think the big loser
in this is going to be general media consumption, not that I
think there are going to be that works. No, you're gonna have one
or two, or you're gonna have a few big things this people to it
momentarily. And then it goes away the days of people just
letting like, the days of me just letting my Netflix
subscription go month after month after month, and I'm
watching those that's over. That's what that's not that's
not it's like it's like scrolling endlessly on social
media when you don't, when you don't have a purpose. There.
Like I think there's two different kinds of friction that
happens. You have like the initial friction of on. And I
mean, with an app or a service or anything, you have initial
onboarding friction, that can turn users away from ever
signing up in the first place. That's one kind. There's another
kind of friction, which is a which is a slow build up, a slow
friction build up over time from ad load, other monetization
plays, the the original structure of the platform has
changed out from under you and you don't and you don't like it
anymore. There is no longer has as much compelling content. And
that thing leads to this slow, people just float away and they
just don't come back it's like
Adam Curry: going bankrupt is very slow, then all of a sudden
this really fast. Just turn it off and modifies own note, I
think confirms what we're talking about here. The So
forget all the stories about so they fired 200 people which I
think was probably two thirds of their podcasting division, maybe
even more, I don't know. But here's how they this is from an
adapted from an incident Below is an adaptation of an internal
update on Spotify podcast business from Sahar Ella Bashi
VP had a podcast business, and Elon need to read a little bit
in early 2019 We saw an opportunity to invest in the
small Okay, first of all, fuck you very much in the small but
rapidly grow. I'm sorry, I just got that. That's one thing
angered me, you know the arrogance of these people in the
small but rapidly growing podcast space. And since then we
have helped transform the industry. Let's see what they've
done, shall we? And this is all the things we're talking about
was what they feel they did. Spotify is now the most used
audio podcast platform in most corners of the world is also the
number one podcast publisher in the US. There are now more than
100 million podcast listeners on Spotify and x growth. Since we
entered the space over half a billion people have listened to
the podcast on Spotify. consumption has grown more than
14 100% podcast content has increased from 200,000 titles to
over 5 million shows on Spotify. Amazing how amazing you really
Oh goodness 165 of Spotify original unlicensed shows, hit
number one on our charts across 99 markets into 2022. Podcast ad
revenue experience high double digit growth from 21 to 22. In
addition to fueling a revolution for the medium, this massive
group of creators and listeners has also taught us an enormous
amount about where podcasting is today, and where it's going
tomorrow. So first of all, what they did is everything right?
Number one, the best 10 hags and they then why are they failing
failed exactly, because that is the space of humans move was
moving in exactly the opposite direction. We know that creators
have embraced the global audience in our platform, but
want here it is improved discovery to help them grow
their audience And hello, Todd Cochran, we also know that they
appreciate our tools and creator support programs, anchor, but
want more optionality and flexibility in terms of
monetization. So that is what we are doing over here, distributed
smaller groups, it, most people don't even know it. But if you
listen to no agenda stream.com This is a community of podcast,
who are boosting each other that hanging out together, it's all
in the same chat room at all. And they're doing it all in the
2.0 apps. And it's a small community, you know, it's a
couple 1000 people listening live at any given moment, if
that, but it's working. In the end, the value exchange is
motivating, and they all love each other and they're having
fun and they're creating fun stuff together, you know what
that means? It means they're not using Spotify, or Netflix or or,
you know, MSNBC or anything of that. So, I'll finish up with
their final words, you're given these learnings and our
leadership position, we failed. We recently embarked on the next
phase of our podcast strategy, which is focused on delivering
even more value for creators and users. I love that users too.
Whenever you call your audience users, you're a drug dealer.
This begins with maximizing consumption from the massive
audience we've established through format innovation, and
ensuring that more creators in more places achieve success.
Adopt the namespace simultaneously in collaboration
with the podcasting community. We are broadening our analytics
capabilities by expanding Spotify for podcasters, which
will help creators maximize their audience on Spotify and
beyond. underpinning this effort is a continued leveling up over
advertising offerings and the introduction of more business
models to help creators make meaningful money meaningful
money from their work, meaningful money is value. I
don't know what they mean by meaningful money, but in our
world is value. I would love for Spotify to get their head
screwed on straight, I don't think they will, I have no
illusions. But they failed in the old system of being number
one, bringing in the Hollywood people to hire, you know, top
talent. And it's that's not how that's not the trend. The trend
is smaller communities, supporting the creative process
with time, talent and treasure. You can call it whatever you
want, call it value for value, anything you want. Even Patreon
is a version of time talent and treasure. So our subscriptions,
but it's a little a little unobtainable, I just don't see
that as moving forward. You know, people have to make
choices. You know, I get emails these days, probably received
about four. It's like, Hey, Adam and John Dvorak. I just want to
let you know why I'm stopping my my, my payments, you know, and
then comes a whole story, you know, of course, you know, like,
lost my job. Tough times, right? Tough times. But they take the
time to send me a note and so I feel bad about and our will we
always reply it, are you kidding me? You can help us in so many
ways. It doesn't have to be money, don't worry about it.
It's not. That's not what we're here for. Yeah, but the fact
that people send those notes means that there's something
else between just a I'm paying for a subscription. And that is
and that's what that's why Martin I saw you I think you
were talking to Steven be chatting on no agenda social
that you guys were saying if you if the Satoshis weren't flowing,
you probably would have given up a long time on this thing.
Unknown: Yeah, I mean, it's Well, I would say both the
Satoshis but also you know the messages to booster grams that
comes with them, you know, in just super motivational like
yeah, I you know, after the break would would pop friend you
know, I of course, there's still people using pot friend even in
that break, because they, you know, somehow made it their app.
But when I came back I saw immediately people just jumping
in helping tested sending boosted boards. Yeah. Yeah. But
but every little thing helps. Like when you're with just one
developer, you can you you don't have a q&a team and even though
you know, I feel like I probably tested everything. And of course
they're still you know, bucks and in. There's a few people
that really went out of their way to You know, testing some
sent bug reports. And, you know, if it was me, I would probably
have even have given up, like, si si back reporter because a,
you know, I got I got reports about the lb connection not
working. And I was like, testing that. Okay, I think I fixed it
down. And now it still doesn't work. Okay, now, worse, oh, it
still doesn't work. Yeah. When you have a third party like
that, I can't see what's going on on the LP side. So I'm like,
yeah, and enforceable crushing it. Yeah. And then I, you know,
try to add more, you know, client side locking so and then
suddenly, we could see what, what was wrong? And Midwest, my
code, of course, and it was like, you know, one branch of
code that I thought it would never enter, and, yeah,
Dave Jones: I'm interested in, I want you to come back to that,
because I'm interested to see what that was.
Unknown: Yeah. No, but yeah, but But what I want to say is just
like the value for value, you know, it really is time, you
know, talent and treasure, like, the time is so important, and
the talent as well, like, you know, sometimes people reach
out, like, just want to help improve things. And also, for
example, the transcript data library, you know, that it saves
me time to use something like that. And, you know, just plug
it in. And, of course, I already had some code that did something
like it. But then suddenly, there's an option like, oh, you
know, now I can just say, I always want to know 32
characters maximum, you know, automatically bundle, you know,
those one word lines together.
Adam Curry: Martin Martin is also our first guest, who,
sticking with the talent part, who has been asked to select a
song to play. So for those of you listening to this, and
listening in real time or listening after the fact, please
make sure you're using curio caster. Pod friend, of course,
is Has anyone else been added to the list for the for the value
time split yet? I think those are the only two still. Dave, do
you know?
Dave Jones: I'm not sure what you're asking.
Adam Curry: Oh, when we play a song for the for the value block
to change?
Dave Jones: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. No, I
don't Yeah, I don't know of any others. I mean, you said, you
said Oscar is in progress, but I haven't heard from him. It's
still the only to you.
Unknown: So. And the only caveat is, you know, if you're
listening on pot friend live, it doesn't work. Because I'm, I
still haven't hooked up to Steven B's magical live stream
yet.
Adam Curry: It's all it's all running with scissors. It's
okay. It's all right. It's all running with scissors. So why
don't you tell us what you chose and why.
Unknown: So first of all, I would say that, you know,
looking for good, decentralized artists and track to play. It's,
I had to, you know, same experience that I might have
had, like 20 years ago, 30 years ago, you know, going into a
record store and looking through through records, but no
categories. I think, like it's just, you know, judging by the
cover, and then Oh, this looks like maybe r&b Let me try to
play it. No, that was techno or, like, a track or something. But,
you know, the I sent a boost in your last show where I said,
Hey, reach out if you know, and only one person actually reached
out and and that was Spencer, who had, you know, I know, also,
I've been supporting podcasting 2.0 For a long time, he's been
joining some of our meetings. And he made a album with a guy
called April, April Kirby Herbie Yeah. And that's called stay
while and data to track called, like wine. And he brought an
interesting, you know, topic for discussion. And that is, if
you're, if you're self hosted, then you can't appear on
wavelength. You have to upload all your music, and they
actually put it like they're creating a feat where they're
taking 100% split for themselves. And then you can,
you know, lock in and withdraw. And I thought, huh, and I
thought, first I thought that that's weird. But at the same
time, I was thinking, Well, why why? Why shouldn't they be
allowed to do that? Like, if it's if it's their platform, and
I'm sure they're doing their 100% split, just to make it easy
for themselves, like so for onboarding sort of do have don't
have to ask people for wallets and pen things. But I guess you
know, since a decentralized space is so new, like it is an
interesting discussion to have like, and I also wondered, why
don't they allow anyone to, you know, upload them, they will not
upload their music like hook into their platform and just,
you know, give them let's say, two And percent split or
something like it seems to me that they could expand their
reach. But yeah, it is, it is an interesting discussion to have.
Adam Curry: You know, and I think part of that was, and I've
seen this on no agenda, social, you know, people well, that's
centralized music, and that's bad and new, we need
decentralized. And I'm, and I'm, and I will remind everybody that
90% of you are using a centralized wallet system known
as git albie.com. So be careful who you're pointing the finger
at. But I agree that it's all okay. And sometimes people need
to start out that way, as like, and then they say, Hey, you
know, I want to have more splits, I want more
functionality I can self hosted, I can go to music side project.
And do it that way. I think the market shows the way, the only
reason why we've been playing tracks, mainly, except for the
last one, from wave Lake is so that we can show the
effectiveness? Yes, yeah, it's been a marketing exercise,
basically. And so we have a great rep repository music team.
And they do they do and, and I, and we love them. And we hope
that they figure out things that work best for them. And we'd
love to see a lot more of their, of their music showing up in the
index. And we're open to all that's, I mean, this is this is
really, you know, we're running with scissors on this, but it's
like those little baby scissors you use in kindergarten, you
know, it's like safety, safety scissors. And but it's, it's all
good. That's what's so great about it. And so, instead of
complaining, you know, I think everyone can just do their own
thing. I love the self hosted music, which and the only thing
I wanted is i, and we've kind of we've discussed that is, we just
need to be able to see what's going on, we need a feedback
mechanism. So that's coming. And we love anybody who was involved
with this, no matter how they're doing it, it will come down to
discovery. So how can I as a podcaster, just what you said,
Martin? How can I find a song, so I use ln beats? You know, I
also parse through, I don't think I have a way to search at
podcast index.org On medium equals music, that would be
cool. If there is a way to do that.
Dave Jones: Just yet on the website,
Adam Curry: just to be able to sample it. I'm not quite sure
sovereign feeds pulls in stuff from I don't know where but
that's really the way I do it. And interestingly, when I do in
sovereign feeds, I have no way to test to listen to the music,
I can find it all. And I can put the value blocks in, but I can't
hit a play button Anyway, anyway, to listen to what it is.
So this is all brand new. And we have to look at it from all
sides from the artists from the podcast or from the app
developer. But what we were doing the feedback I'm getting
from artists, and I've got some, a couple of people who want to
come in and do stuff with us specifically for us, who are who
have songs that are you know, they have record deals, they
want to do things outside of that. That okay, and you know,
so when we have a few more of these, you know, when we have a
few more apps doing this, we have the live stuff working with
this. I can feel this in my loins. We are doing we're doing
something this is gonna be the focus of my bitcoin magazine
article.
Dave Jones: loins another great word is like low lunch and moist
I have
Adam Curry: moist loins when I listened to this song activating
the block everybody there you go. And we're gonna listen to
like wine from Abel and the Wolf from the album stay while
Unknown: this day could get much colder and gray keep to watch
you go down the street
to eat different money is not the life of robbers to
learn how to sleep disorder is all the cells in
vision just grow shot. Better deer to cut you deeper to
him through my heart blood water through my head like wine even
blinds me
been through
Hey
so by not not outlawed so let's see before we go was just a fact
as soon as you get in through my heart blood water through my
head like wine even blinds me you running through my head
out to me
on my radio
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Adam Curry: able in The Wolf of podcasting 2.0 like wine with
the value block being split between April Kirby Spencer and
blueberry gotta love it nice love it and I had a rare moment
back in the day you know on the radio like oh I could finally go
to the bathroom come on come on did you go Dave No
Dave Jones: no I did not go I was as proofed by the livestream
I've been here in my seat the entire time but it's funny
because there's an entire alternate universe going on over
here in this in the no agenda tube livestream. I mean like it
is they are they are troubleshooting they are running
with scissors as we speak testing the value the Airheads
lightning oh you blog plugin oh all of Alex's no agenda to work
I mean it's been a fantastic test of the of the peer tube
live stream experience this is this was good but here's when I
when I decided to do this like you know we got to start with
like we talked about the big one that 2024 people we got to start
testing this stuff because I mean like the mean appear tube
and now with with Alex and Airheads work to get all this
stuff going you know and so we need we need to make sure that
it works number one but then what I would love to have and I
don't know how to do this other than just put it bake it into
the feed generator that we use ourselves is to have alternate
string alternate enclosures. So you know is to have the video as
an alternate enclosure and the audio is the audio is the
enclosure video is the alternate enclosure so that we can have
both streams delivered in the feed that that way people can
flip back and forth that that would be ideal I mean like right
now if we had alternate enclosure in our feed all of
this running with scissors no no generative stuff would be coming
through as an alternative as an alternate stream at the same
time Oh, that time Yeah, yeah, very cool. People get flipped
their their video and see and see me or and because the street
the full stream and everything's coming through. So like I mean,
it would be it's a valid use case for testing the alternate
enclosure.
Adam Curry: Oh, my head is spinning. I did want to end So
one thing about the Apple vision pro why I liked this device. And
I think it's I think it's been missed read by a lot of people,
you know, I had a lot of people who were talking about who
clearly didn't even look at what it really does, oh, it's an AR
VR headset. First of all, it's Pro, when you use a pro, I
presume this can be for business. But I see it's there,
they are selling this as spatial computing. And I and this makes
sense to me, because we went from laptops, to iPhone to
iPads, all different sizes, from mouse to touch. I think this is
the perfect device for the future for the people of the
future, who will be living in their tiny home, which is a
foregone conclusion, you will be living in a tiny home, or you
know, in a pod, and I like and you'll like it, and you will
like it. Now people are gonna be living in a pod. So this you
want, there's just no room for a big screen, to watch your
entertain. I don't think the gaming aspect is such a big part
of this, what I want personally, and why I will purchase this
device and I'd love for an app developer who wants to work with
me on this. My biggest problem is space. I would love to have
multiple screens from my podcast work that I can rearrange and
put in different spots. And you know, I can see chat room I can
you know, just look at it, it'll highlight it'll come closer. I
when I'm on the road, I slept, I slept three screens with me
laptops, all kinds of stuff, I can see this as a total solution
for building the ultimate podcast studio the way I want
it. That doesn't that I'm not restricted to, you know, an
amount of screens or amount of physical space in order to do
that, that I see as a big win for me and I don't know, maybe I
get my head I'll get tired. I don't know if my Tourette's is
gonna mess it all up, like boiling point, boiling, have
screens flying everywhere. But I think it may be something the
visual spatial computing aspect, there may be something there.
Entertainment wise, I don't know. I don't care. I don't care
about talking to people or any of that or watching a basketball
game. I don't care.
Unknown: Yeah, I completely agree. Like, it's sitting here
at home right now. You know, I have three monitors, I work I
work exclusively remote, ever since COVID. You know, we got in
my company the option to be remote. And as I just said, yep.
And never looked back. And, and yeah, I have to three monitors.
But whenever I go, for example, to the office, then I suddenly
only have a laptop and it feels like I'm like handicaps
handicap. Yeah, exactly. And, and since I'm remote, you know,
I could go visit my family, you know, and, and work during the
workday, and then you know, spent the time with them. Like,
in the here I'm talking about, like, my mom or my aunt or
something, or even, you know, go to the Maldives, or, you know,
visit you guys in the US. But, and, and but I'm not going to
bring three monitors, I'm not going to bring my keyboard like
but here suddenly, you know, yes, you would need probably
need like a hardware keyboard and a mouse, but that's doable,
but then suddenly, you have no as many money so as much as you
want. And you can probably even say, hey, now I want to go into
like pot friend mode, or I want to go into my normal work mode.
And then it shows the monitors, you know, you left open, like,
also definitely see it as a productivity thing. And I tried
via, you know, way way, you know, I just had monitors, and
it does work. And that was even, you know, extremely, you know,
low pixel density, or is it high now low like compared to what
the vision Pro will be? So I definitely think that there is a
lot of potential, but looking at the price tag, yeah, it's a it's
definitely like a
Adam Curry: well, you know, the the way that's being explained
is well, you're getting a computer and you're getting a
huge screen television, etc. You're getting all those bits
and pieces in there.
Unknown: And that's fair, except that you probably also have the
other things like you will still have a TV you still have not in
Adam Curry: your tiny home. You won't Martin about in your pod.
Dave Jones: There's there seems to be there's a couple of issues
here that I see. I think the biggest one clearly is that your
your use case while completely valid. Is such a small fraction
of what they need to sell in order to make this thing
feasible.
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, no, no,
Dave Jones: it will it will completely crash and burn that
and the other. The other issue that I see nobody talking about,
which is I find it impossible to believe that they have solved
this is all augmented reality stuff has the same problem. They
lose state. They lose their kid connection to the geometry of
the space around them. And before in it, this happens
frequently, and you have to start moving the device very
slowly. Or else it or else the, the, the visuals begin to jump
all over the place. Like, I find him very difficult to believe
they've actually solved that problem where you can move
naturally without thinking about it. And nothing, nothing
glitches out.
Adam Curry: They certainly didn't show anyone moving
around, everyone was static standing at their desk or
sitting down. The other thing I'll say, and I'm going to call
this a big success, not this version, but this will be a
success. It will, I think it will, the way it would work for
me, is I'm going into work mode, or maybe it's entertainment
mode. And the rest, I'm just going to have my light phone, I
don't care. Now I really don't care. When when I'm in workspace
and podcast space, I put this thing on, I'm doing I've got
everything there the way I need it, I can do it anywhere. I want
to do it technically, I guess, philosophically. And then I can
be completely out of all that in the real world without any
connection outside of it. And it would really separate versus,
oh, let me just walk up to the laptop. Let me just check that
thing on the computer. Let me just grab my phone. I think for
me, that's for me. I think I think it'll be beneficial. I
mean, the experience, I don't know if it's there. I've seen
some people who used it on YouTube. And, you know, they say
it's pretty, pretty remarkable. So for my work mode for what I
do, I'd be very excited to have an app that is my podcast
studio, and I've got all the all my things there, including a
mixer, everything.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, it's fun. It's like, it's like the
the device that you tried to create a few years ago where it
was, like it perfectly met and perfectly met your needs. And
it's like a well is there. But that is the market big enough to
just sustain it as a product.
Adam Curry: Well, you know, and then the Australian stole my
idea, and it's fantastic. I mean, yeah, I love watching the
road caster Pro, I mean, even the duo that's closer to what I
was building, you know, to build, they build that for 499.
God, I love them for that they built exactly what I wanted what
I needed. And I think there clearly is a market. But my
mistake was thinking, you know, I can, I can serve as that
market you need hardware is hard. You need, you need a lot
more infrastructure and sales and channels and all this stuff.
And they've got that they're an established company, and I was I
applaud them for
Dave Jones: it and see what I hear, you
Unknown: know, just just gonna say, let's also remember that,
you know, Apple is a, you know, premium company, and you know,
just as with iPhone, you know, then if this turns out to be,
you know, a success and they will be half price. Oh, yeah.
You know, we are set, you know, that can do not, maybe not the
exact same thing, but almost the same thing. And maybe even you
know, maybe they can do some things better. I got the feeling
that you know what, while watching that video, and of
course, some of it is just bus right now, but I definitely got
the feeling that this is the start of something big. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think so I went the the visual glitch out
thing to me is is, is a huge deal. And maybe I'm wrong. I
remember going to when, when 3d television was first becoming
like a thing. I remember. Go into there locally, they had the
college football championship game. I can't remember what year
this was the college football championship game was on. But
they were playing in theaters. And so this was like an ESP NS
big push to show off their 3d technology. So there were they
were filming it live with 3d cameras. So you would go to the
to the movie theater and watch it. And so we we got tickets. I
think it was Florida and Ohio State that year. So we were put
we're watching and then and we had 3d glasses on and all this
kind of stuff. And it was it was neat. But then every so often
the camera would the cameras would go out of focus, which I
mean happens during law sports, they would go out of focus for a
second or two and readjust. When that happened. On a huge screen.
You felt like your head had just been turned inside out. It was
like,
Adam Curry: yeah, no, there's all kinds of things that go
wrong, but we have to actually try it too. Hey, am I am I am I
mistaken that I'm looking at V for v stats.com. Is it B for B
stats.com? Is that what we do? Yes. It looks like overall we're
up overall number First seemed to be up like it typically it
was like a million SATs rolling through. Am I saying this right?
Let me see. Now it seems like we're at 2.2 million SATs
flowing through the system per day.
Dave Jones: What do you what time period are you basing that
calculation on?
Adam Curry: I'm just looking at the seven days. Seven day okay?
No no no no I'm sorry No, no, it's different one um, I don't
know why it just seems like it's up
Dave Jones: that I think it's up in the short term it I think
it's the that hasn't been reflected in the long term yet.
I think you can see that from this Yeah, any day is beginning
Adam Curry: Oh p 1990. days just have a slight trend has a slight
uptrend. If I drew a line it would show an uptrend from about
4000 to 6000 whatever that's
Dave Jones: called, would you call this a head and shoulders
pattern?
Adam Curry: Sure, a black swan event? That's what it is.
Dave Jones: Open saucer is just a cup as though so
Adam Curry: shall we? Thanks some people. Since we've been
yapping away for a bit here. First of all, I want to thank
chyron I got my T shirt. Very excited about that. And I just
wanted to share this note because you know, I boosted
extra was the episode you were on. And I boosted him, and my
boosts was enough to get me t shirt. Thanks for supporting
mere mortals Adam, everything you and Dave have done and are
doing is changing lives mine in particular. I can't express how
grateful I am for you. You're a wonderful human being heart.
Lots of love from chyron so sweet, nice and that is this
note is something I'll keep T shirts you know, wear and tear
but this note will stay with me forever appreciate that current.
Let's see who has been boosting us live we've been getting a lot
in particularly during the Song of course we want to thank Mike
Newman 33,333 SATs live homeboy Abel Kirby listening boost.
hardhat with 11,111 Nice satchel Richards we've got Happy
Birthday Sir Spencer from Steven B. It's also suspensive birthday
today. How about that 6969 and Steven B says so I hear you
wanted the ability to add custom value recipients during a live
show. Well you asked I delivered next time you reload sovereign
feeds you'll see the ability to add custom addresses to the
value block. Okay, I love that I'm not gonna mess around with
it right now during the live production but thank you.
Blueberry. Martin. Martin Are you boosting while while we're
talking? Sorry. 4321 for Martin thanks for having me on the show
boosting back a little bit of my earnings. You don't have to do
that brother appreciate blueberry says we're 3333 Adam
would you kindly play the Hey citizen Piano Man cover from
last Sunday's live no agenda as an end of show mix today. It's
awesome. Yes, we're going to play that particularly because
this is more of an end of show meant for podcasting. 2.0 it's
five minutes. I can't there's no value blog to put in for it.
Also, it's it's licensed. So you know, in the context of
education and parody, it's okay to play it in the context of the
show, but we can't really be boosting for it. But it is
fabulous. Dave and I both love it and we're very happy to play
that the end of the show. Just Dr. Brian of London this is new.
Dr. Brian of London 31,948 There's your big Israeli freedom
booths if time fraction is a fraction of time left as a
decimal value and time left as the amount of time left and
seconds give me a function to calculate what time interval in
seconds will result result in a 1% drop. Oh oops I'm
Dave Jones: sorry. Hey,
Adam Curry: what is he talking to you says I'm sorry this isn't
the chat GPT window Okay. On a fun a funny Okay, we're on
another 33,333 from hard hat through curio caster Eric p p
with the booths with 3333 Blueberry with 16,969 says had
to pop into the boardroom to use the podcasters room currently on
route to the arms of a small group of people for Spencer's
birthday which is today all roads leads to Uranus, Missouri.
Everyone's in a mood today, aren't they? Another blueberry
3333 the lightning bolt in the beat for V logo got lost on the
fountain live page with it being a PNG not always having the
background. Yeah, that's a known problem. I should fix that.
33,333 from Eric P P. No note thank you Martin with 1000 Pew
pew Allen Concha contracts Hello, greetings from Prague, he
says with two boosts 167 167 and 67,676. Thank you very much. We
really They do shade that. And then we have our test booths
hardhat 1111 and 11,111 a boob from M Medusas pre show
flashings for all 808 Another Martin pre boosting the pre show
and that takes us up to what we're close to the delimiter so
thank you all very much for pre boosting podcasting 2.0 And
we're gonna thank the rest of the people who came in during
the week.
Dave Jones: We got no one off papers this week transition
Adam Curry: completed.
Dave Jones: We're fully transitioned. Yeah, we got none
of those on the fret. I actually need to I need to open up.
Adam Curry: Oh, you didn't do your booster grams. You were too
busy setting up OBS.
Dave Jones: No, no, I'm just afraid I'm just afraid to open
Thunderbird because I've got so much crap going here already.
Adam Curry: All right. Let me just let me jinxes.
Dave Jones: Like, let's see.
Adam Curry: Alright, I got I got some error on on Hindenburg that
said you're going to lose data the stream from the something
and we can't it's not fast enough. I don't know what it
said. But luckily I have the backup running. But now I can. I
can see the the actual like the it's hard to explain. But the
recording cursor is moving except now the the waveform is a
little behind. So I don't know if you've lost something. I
wrote down a timecode I'll check it I have a full lossless backup
in case so no worries. Oh sweet.
Dave Jones: Okay, well, let's see this. This is okay so we got
booster grants we got that anonymous tu tu tu tu nice we
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you, Mike 1337 from Jean bean he says to cast Matic is now going
to have to try and find the stream of Dave's doing the
upgrade so I can see the keyboards I'm a bit of a
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for cast ematic he says regarding the multiple good
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advanced than DNS load balancing that takes into account some
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and functioning. Yeah, we can definitely do that because
that's what we do already with with POD pain. Pain we use
Cloudflare to to load balance and remove dynamically remove
unhealthy edges, you know edge nodes out of out of that and
also we can do the same thing. Not a problem. Chaos 9911 Hunter
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How do I enroll for the D dupe army? We haven't even talked
about this yet. And like I had a good long conversation
Unknown: with
Dave Jones: Spurlock this week about this about this very
issue. And so we get we talked a lot about it and I wanted I
wanted to bring it up on the show but we're I don't know that
we'll have time is a big topic. So we'll discuss the D duping
and the index you know ingestion and all that stuff we can do
that we'll talk about that next week.
Adam Curry: Yes for sure.
Dave Jones: You did you boost 45,000 says
Adam Curry: Yeah, I bet Yes. See that here's the problem, but I
wasn't boosting us. And I bet you we didn't get 45,000 because
that went to Cory Keller from pod pod friend I think right?
Dave Jones: Gotcha. Okay, yeah, this the value times split
Adam Curry: now you see now you see
Unknown: that wait hold on. Yes. Boost boost boost.
Adam Curry: Got to probably sent another one to me. Yeah, I boost
our artists are you kidding me?
Unknown: Yeah, um, did you boost during the live or after the
episode was published?
Adam Curry: No, I didn't boost during the live I'm going to
wait no that was That was last week Martin and that was after
was already published. Okay, not during the live work. Yeah, no,
that that one worked. I know that one worked I tried during
the no i don't know i boost so much. I'm ball boosted out.
Dave Jones: Alex days living dangerously sharing his primary
inbox live on the stream. Yes, I am. No secrets, no secrets. Uh,
yeah. Karen 2222 from mere mortals podcast it found he
says, have been explaining what you're doing with music at my
local BTC meetup and I think it's striking a note. I'm hoping
to do a live demo next month she could to showcase lb at the same
time. Nice. Nice. Nice. We need more of that for sure. Yep. 5000
SATs from Clarkin, buddy of mine. He sends a sunshine boost
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Richard for Joe Wu. Thank you, Joel Wu. Appreciate that. And
let's see. Let me flip back over here. One sec. Get down. Brian.
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Dave Jones: let's see here. We got 10,000 SATs from Franco
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Adam Curry: Bob Bob big, big, big big shot caller
Unknown: on a
Adam Curry: combo. Nice. Thanks, buddy.
Dave Jones: On the topic of YouTube, sucking out the revenue
from the podcast advertising space, it's already happening.
Longtime well established podcast sponsors are pulling out
of podcasts for the remainder of the year and doing just YouTube
buys. Wow. Because they can do them at scale. The individual
deals with the podcasters take too long, and the results vary
too much. And they can't adopt quick when the money is tight.
So they are just expanding their YouTube buys. Dudes trying to
catch up I guess he means Google.
Adam Curry: Is that and I'm curious? Is that? Is that
YouTube? Or is it also the evil tick tock because I'm thinking
that a lot of us gotta go to tick tock. All I hear is
marketing people who are shifting their budgets to tick
tock. I wish I wish we you know, I just I feel like we're being
lied to and not maybe not purposely. But you know, all
these numbers about you know, billions and billions serve
billions of dollars and podcasting, it just doesn't ring
true to me. It's got to be combo with radio buys. And just It
doesn't sound right. And I wish I knew that we could trust all
these numbers and make it I guess that's the same with
anything. You can't like I can't trust Twitter's view. We can't
all I can trust this V for V. That's all I know. I see the
SATs. The Sats are there they're in my wallet. They can't do
that. No one. No one scooped them up.
Dave Jones: And you don't know who's being honest and who's
not. I mean, that's
Adam Curry: I think a lot of people are not dishonest, but
they're just taking numbers at face value. It's like Oh yeah,
1.8 billion. It's gonna be 5 billion by the end of 2020. For
sure. Yeah, yeah, but yet Spotify had to fire 200 people
explain nothing wrong.
Dave Jones: I see nothing wrong with this logic.
Adam Curry: Explained put that in chat GPT
Dave Jones: bad career advice CEDD 3333 sets to found and he
says the sets never come until it has rained V for V love the
tune. Thank you back career advice. Chad 1234. Again through
family says regarding gamification of D dupe. Don't
worry about sets create badges. Badges are actually tags and app
creators can do a certification of activity against the tag.
Then there can be batch specific perks exclusive jam sessions
just my two sets.
Adam Curry: By the way thank you very much blueberry or love you
brother gave me a whole new V four v logo on the fly I've
already plugged it in and we're going to save this publish the
feed might even change for you why while we're doing it I don't
know. I don't know how that works.
Dave Jones: What is was is it look killer? Oh yeah,
Adam Curry: it's animated. It's got like, blue clouds flying
behind it and stuff is beautiful. Let's be updated the
feed I don't know if I don't know if that comes through right
away. But it's it's killer. Thank you man.
Dave Jones: Cameron 1010101 through found a no note Thank
you Cameron. Cole McCormick 5492 sets who found these if
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Adam Curry: For sure our
Dave Jones: donor does a 500 said boost from a random user of
founder and fountain with a million emojis he said you in
the messages you always huge Juju FL Me me me.
Adam Curry: Let me send some audio emojis. Audio emoji.
Dave Jones: Jacob 10,000 SATs through pod verse no note. Thank
you Jacob. John Siebert. 100,000 sets got to know let's see three
of those and see here's again I don't know if this is to us or
to the artist doesn't matter
Adam Curry: Oh for sure.
Unknown: 20 is blades only Impala
Dave Jones: it is so interesting watching this stuff with no
agenda tube going on all this all this develop like all this
checking and all this stuff is really cool. It's like what
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Adam Curry: where's he boosting from?
Dave Jones: I don't know. Hey, question. Podcast guru. That's
what he's talking about.
Adam Curry: Oh, oh, right. I promoted that on no agenda.
Yesterday. I said to you, oh, we got fountain jobs like never
heard of it. So no, it's pretty big. I've never heard of it. How
about pub? Never heard of it? I've mentioned it 100 times. How
about podcast addict? Podcast guru? Why is it a guru like Oh,
brother.
Dave Jones: Hey, on this wonderful thing, he's open to
new things. That's great
Adam Curry: on the stream, is that keeping everyone in the
value block there with their their value block tool does that
does that take the value block that I have for the live stream
and and repurpose it?
Dave Jones: Yeah, let me let's it's it's our it's our value
blog. And with with that, and added to, it's our value bought
with with theirs I wouldn't do with Alex's split in the VAT is
parallel universes running in tandem. I love it. I
Adam Curry: love it. I love it. I
Dave Jones: love it. 3333 balderdash boys to found and he
says thank you for your help Adam and go podcasting.
Adam Curry: Well that was also Dave Of course. We Wonder Twin
powers activate. How were you on the on the tools?
Dave Jones: The tools? We that was part of the discussion was
burlock Well, okay, cool. Yeah, I think we got some ideas on
Windows. Next week, Borlaug. 11 711, through pod verse, he
says a s s o r. Y. And so are where the middle one is just
bent a little strong word gentleman as soon as he
Adam Curry: is s o r is the S O R.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's a Gilligan acronym is just all
caps. S O R. I don't know why man Borlaug. I'm not falling
brother. I don't know what you're talking about
Adam Curry: trying to think what SR would be
Unknown: I don't know.
Adam Curry: State or state of readiness sold out rates student
owed repayment. Theme oil Radio. I'm out of ideas.
Dave Jones: Emu Oil radio. That's gotta be
Adam Curry: oil radio. Standing standing only room doesn't quite
work.
Dave Jones: See? Jacob 2500 SATs no note. Thank you, Jacob. Joe
Martin music 2100 SATs through fantasy. So is it possible to
host publish and monetize your own content from a start nine
embassy today? Question mark.
Adam Curry: Oh, very good question. You know, let me say
let me say this about that.
Dave Jones: Looking at okay, Jen, go ahead.
Adam Curry: I'm looking at IPFS podcasting because I was just
looking at this looking at IPF podcasting dotnet I think,
actually it is possible. So, now, I publish all of all of my
feeds, I publish them all through sovereign feeds. And
then that automatically gets ingested by IPFS podcasting
running on the Start nine, and it creates a new RSS feed for
me, which is identical to, to my, you know, to the feed that
that I already have with one difference. And that difference
is that all the media, in this case the the mp3 is so here it
is. So my IP is my IP Fs feed is IPFS
podcasting.net/rss/three/podcasting 2.0 dot XML. And then in that he has
HTTP links to very long URL for the mp3 which is a hash
generated, of course, and it goes through ipfs.io. So it's
using their common gateway. So it would work. I think, you
could use that as long as you have a couple of people pinning
your content which I would gladly do that. by subscribing
to your feed in IPFS podcasting.net. Now, the
creation of your feed still needs to be done somewhere. So,
answer is not easily yet.
Dave Jones: This is this is where this the solution. So a
solution for this would be if sovereign thieves had an app for
the start nine, correct you could where you could plug in
your sovereign where you can take sovereign feeds and then
plug in an object storage bucket somewhere that had a DNS name
attached to it. Yep, yep. Then your gold and all you need. And
those
Adam Curry: guys are going clear net pretty soon. So you will
actually be able to host stuff on the Start nine through your
home connection, of course, your results will vary. But just
having a storage bucket gal, you're golden and it could also
be cast upon either one but someone has to create an app and
apparently is not all that hard. And I'm telling you, I'm telling
you to hear me now believe me later. I am moving all my stuff
to the Start nine we had a power outage which was cool. Because
it was the first time I got the generator. Yeah, two and a half
hours on a show day 7am I get up and boom, I hear I see the
lights flicker I'm like what's going on and then I hear so the
Jenny's running, everything comes back including the air
conditioner, which was fantastic. The whole central H
back and everything came back up except my Umbral nodes, because
I'm gonna who's gonna do a lot to get those back up and
running. But to start nine, restarted, rebooted perfectly,
all the services came back up was just running. So I'm going
to be moving and I have helipad running on it which is an app
now and I have a lightning node on it and it's already I've put
it in a couple blocks as a as a as a test it's working fine. F
word fine. So I'm gonna start moving all of my my value block
stuff over from the umbrellas to the Start nine and I hope to
have only that start nine really running although the Umbro still
has a couple of apps which I use frequently and really love but
at least the payment part will go over to to start nine it's
it's it's an OS man. It's not it's not I mean, nothing against
Docker strung together. But this is a serious professional
machine.
Dave Jones: Well, that that so so do you have on the on the
Start nine? Does it come back up automatically once that goes
out? Like yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. Came back out. And you know, we had
Yes, it came back up automatically. It was out for
two and a half hours, the power, it was fantastic. Love our life.
Well, and because the router came back up, but we've got the
fiber connection. So you know, I don't think they have any, any
power requirements until it hits whatever, you know, wherever the
fiber is going. I don't know what the distance is before you
have to amplify the light signal. But it worked just fine.
It just everything I was prepping like normal. Can you
imagine two and a half hours on a show day I'd be in my car on
you know, like driving towards a Wi Fi spot? You know, because I
need power. You know? Like, eventually the laptop goes out.
I just think paid for itself.
Dave Jones: I think multimode fiber is like a mile or
something like that mile and a half before SB repeated a couple
of miles.
Adam Curry: Well, it weren't maybe wrong. And of course I had
the Starlink in case but not the same experience.
Dave Jones: Martin what internet speed do you have in there in
your in outside of Copenhagen?
Unknown: Yeah, I also have fiber so 1000 to 11,000 down. So
Adam Curry: I got five gigabits here people. Yes, swinging
around, up and down.
Unknown: I think 1000 is like a one cubed max here right. Now if
I could get five I would have five. So and also I just I just
googled that server now and now I want one. So the start Yeah,
exactly. But But I am thinking like, like think because I was
thinking hey, could I save money and just host the podcasts and
so on it but and I probably could do I want to
Adam Curry: know, just No, no, no wrong right away. No, no, no,
I've been down that road many times. By the way I need to
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it.
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Dave Jones: Martin, I got a couple of questions.
Unknown: Yes, shoot
Dave Jones: dark mode.
Unknown: Oh possible? Yes. And our you know, I actually got an
email about that today. This morning. And
Dave Jones: it wasn't me, I
Unknown: promise. No. But it was someone that says hey, I just
love that but I'm getting blinded by it. And, and it was
also the number one request from my wife. Like she she runs
everything in dark mode. So like he meets How many
Adam Curry: guys have a wife who runs everything in dark mode.
Dave Jones: That's a keeper.
Adam Curry: That's a real keeper by the way. 77,777 from the same
anonymous coming in and St. Martin Are you seeing that? You
must see a nice little chunk coming on your get Alby wallet
there.
Unknown: Let me just see well,
Adam Curry: that's a striper boost. I'll give a striper.
Unknown: Yeah, my part of that was just 7700 sets just right
down into pug.
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podcasting. ADAM You said follow us. Uh, no agenda social instead
of podcasts. Oh, yeah. I'm an idiot. Podcast index dot social.
Thanks for reminding me was 77,777 SATs podcast. I should
make more mistakes.
Unknown: Very nice.
Dave Jones: Um, see? Okay, so in pod friend the the Live episode
art has already updated and I see the animated V for V that is
killer. Beautiful. I love it with the storm clouds on it.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's the one that's the one do anything. I
Dave Jones: didn't refresh the page. I didn't do anything. It
just popped up. How
Adam Curry: does that even work? How does that work? Why did that
happen? Why did that happen?
Unknown: So that so the reason why that happened is actually
because in the background, pop friend updates to the podcast
page every 10 minutes just to see if there's anything new. How
about that? So yeah,
Dave Jones: that's that's beautiful. I mean, like I just
flipped back over there to see if it would indeed blind me with
a non dark mode and it did but I also got to see cool artwork,
which is
Unknown: the only thing is that now the show cover art is not
loading for me for some reason.
Adam Curry: Oh, I actually I actually synced it with the with
everything. Oh, and that was probably dumb. Tomas seconds.
Unknown: Yeah
Adam Curry: show info. I know what I did. Yeah, because I
yeah, I sync the whole thing. That wasn't the smartest. Oh, I
can I can fix that.
Dave Jones: Dame Jennifer entered the no agenda to chat.
Nice, nice nice to show this this this is I'm gonna have to
like lay down and take a nap after this because it's
Adam Curry: a little much for you, David, I feel like you're
getting fatigued you have the rest of the day off. You gotta
have to go back to the big work week be workplace
Dave Jones: rested day off. I'm good. I'm good. I can realize my
other question for you, Martin is, but he
Unknown: didn't get to say I will be working on the dock
mode. So within the next. But when I say two two weeks or
something, I probably mean like, within the next month or so.
Okay. So the way the way I programmed the interface, it
should be fairly simple. Like I keep keep every single, you
know, variable in one big app CSS state, like everything that
is not standard. So it should, should be
Dave Jones: what are you what's your CSS framework is like
tailwind or something?
Unknown: No. So I actually use what's called SASS or notepad.
Like thing where you can have like nested CSS, so I think it's
just sass. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah, that that, ya know, the one you have
to compile, right.
Unknown: Yeah, exactly. It does compile like every single single
time. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: fix it. So the cover art should should be back. I
actually accidentally sync the cool logo with everything. This
is only supposed to be the live logo.
Dave Jones: What up drip? Yeah, dribs and drabs in the house.
All right, it's a party over here. PWA push notifications.
What about that? Can we can we get PWA push notifications now
that that's supported? Like across the board?
Unknown: So you're asking me,
Adam Curry: you're not gonna get an answer for me. Yeah. Every
single apple will notify you all the time.
Unknown: No, no. Yeah. So that's definitely something that will
come at some point. Because, you know, I want that. It's more
that I have, I've never tried to implement, like a notification
that that's not like directly from the app. So let's just have
to figure out how to do that best. It's probably super easy.
I just, I just I just never tried it before.
Adam Curry: Okay, Mark, we were at two bucks and eight cents.
Oh, yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna end the party. Now. Dave. By the
way, Dave will be ready with your booster grams. He will be
removing a piece of clothing for the higher the SAT boosters over
there on his only fans. No agenda Tube site.
Dave Jones: Yes, fan to his left. After the show. The party
continues as your fans I'm even gonna log
Adam Curry: in and check it out. See what's going on. Martin.
Really appreciate you staying up. It was about 10 o'clock now
your time. Really appreciate you being back in the boardroom. And
it's so good to have you back. Brother. We really are happy to
have you and can't wait to see where you're going to take pod
friend.
Unknown: Yeah, I enjoyed it so much. And it's good to be back.
Like the, you know, people have just been so great. So it's
awesome. Oh, yeah, I look forward to the future.
Dave Jones: Oh, wait, wait, I had an ISO.
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm trying to play it remarkable.
I'm going to play the ISO and remember we have the Hey citizen
booster gram song coming at the very end, which you will love
because every lots of fan favorites are mentioned in this.
Dave Jones my brother, thank you so much. Have a great weekend.
Dave Jones: I may need to go Alright everybody.
Adam Curry: Thank you chat room. Thank you, Martin. Thank you,
everybody. Thank you boosters we appreciate y'all. We'll see you
next week here for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0.
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