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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for
May 12 2023, episode 132 manhood

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Friday once again, this is where
your weekend really starts you

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know what I'm saying? Welcome to
podcasting 2.0 The only

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boardroom we're playing music is
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everything going on with the
future and the current state of

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podcasting the podcast namespace
podcast indexed on Oregon

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everything happening at podcast
index dot social amount of curry

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here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who emerges your index
better than any AI can say hello

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to my friend on the other end
latest gentleman Mr. Dave Jones.

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Dave Jones: Nathan Nathan
gathright Just dive ball with me

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in the chat. What do you do?
Neat Steve seems like a said MK

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Ultra check question mark. Don't
forget Oh, you

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Adam Curry: forgot you forgot to
fire it up.

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Dave Jones: I did. I forgot to
set sail with the chat and it's

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it's it's Doa now.

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Adam Curry: Oh. Oh, you

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Dave Jones: don't have it
plugged in. I don't have it

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plugged in yet to the heat.
Okay, let me

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Adam Curry: know. Can you can
you fire that? I mean, what so

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what are we using here? Because
we have we have our live chat

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room. Yeah. I mean, we want
people to use MK Ultra chat or

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what do we want them to use? I
mean, I'm fine. Either way.

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Dave Jones: We're matter. I
mean, like they use whatever

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they want. Yeah, but I wouldn't
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Adam Curry: said we're going to
the pub, I thought they were

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gonna be they're gonna be
connected. And they will be one

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day. Oh, okay. All right. Just
wanted one day.

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Dave Jones: I can't even auto
start it. Yes, I'm gonna get

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where were you? What

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Adam Curry: do you have to do a
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Dave Jones: to two different
ones, too. It's too firm. It's a

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twofer. It's a two, it's a two,
there's a split process. So

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there's, there's a there's a web
process an HTTP server that goes

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it sits in there. And then
there's a WebSocket server, both

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talk to the same back end. But
like you have to fire them up

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separately. So this is this,
this, this should all be if at

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the end of this process, it will
be Dockerized. So that these

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things come up as a docker. What
do you call it thing?

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Adam Curry: Container? Yeah,

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Dave Jones: it's like we're two
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It's Docker Compose. Sorry,
Docker.

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Adam Curry: Oh, Docker, I've had
my head deep into Docker

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containers and compose

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Dave Jones: no heavy Yeah, it
feel

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Adam Curry: a little smelly?
Yeah, no, I had one of those

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original Bitcoin machines, which
is basically the Raspberry Pi,

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preloaded with Umbral that has a
cool little display that shows

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you you know, it circles between
men pool and the current price

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and you know, just like a almost
like a big clock type thing. And

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it has a two terabyte hard drive
internal. And if there's one

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thing I've learned about
Raspberry Pi's, like the whole

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power management thing, and I
mean, really like, like the

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power coming from the, from the
power supply sucks. In fact, the

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Raspberry Pi platform in general
is a little disappointing to me.

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Considering that, you know, for
150 bucks, you can get a Beelink

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and, you know, just jam Ubuntu
on there. And it's more

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powerful.

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Dave Jones: People using these
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main desktop, you people are
nuts, just don't do this. So

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Adam Curry: what happened is,
you know, I'm not quite sure why

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but then the power supply
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it would, it wouldn't recognize
the drive. And this would go up

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and down and up and down. And I
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supply the drive. Well,
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many times, that drives start to
go bad. So I decided to get a

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Beelink I loaded Ubuntu on it.
And then I copied I did it with

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our sync because you know, with
our sync you if it fails, you

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can go back and it'll pick up
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like Cp

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Dave Jones: v dash or exactly

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Adam Curry: what you do. You do
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the dot files and everything.
And Windows. It's x copy. Yeah,

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I tried to stay away from
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the contents of the drive over.
And then you know, I did sudo

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script start and they went hey,
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Okay, install Docker install py
yq to pre pop Hebrew whatever

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all the stuff that it kept
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there's real well why why Q was
the last thing you need. I don't

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know what that was. And I love
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no, no, this I need this. Okay,
install that. Now. I need this

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right. Now. We need this thing.
Okay. And I fired up, bam. It

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just works on a whole new
machine. The nd came back to

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life tail skill work the same
address just worked again. It

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was I would really phenomenal.

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Dave Jones: I told a coworker of
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fighting a Windows Remote
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this thing would not produce the
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And it was just like, which is a
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just nothing I did would fix
this. And finally, I found an

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obscure reference on a on a
website to somebody who had a

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similar problem a few years ago.
And they're like, it's your

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certificates. You got to re
upload their certificates. But

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but he but the certificates are
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again. And like they're already
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it again. Because that's just
what Windows wants. Well, that's

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it. I was like, I was like, why
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Linux just worse all the time?

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Adam Curry: Well, so I got my
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you lucky bastard? Well, you
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with the CEO talking about the
future and everything I think

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actually you got Cameron is
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app for it with IPFS podcasting,
which is one of the things that

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we're interested in. So this is
on the purism hardware. So this

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is the high end. This is like
the pro version. It's a really

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nice, beautiful, beautiful box,
plug it in, you know, it does

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everything you'd expect, except
they they kind of want you to go

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through everything using either
dot local, or tour. And then I

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guess in the version four of
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not a Docker thing. It's an
actual operating system. They're

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gonna have clear, clear net
access, but until then, so you

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have to, it's like, the whole
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to be click, and you'll have to
do command line stuff. And you

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don't, but you do have to
install the certificate. And you

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wind up with a machine name like
that you can't change apparently

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mine is felt dash manhood dot
local. I'm like, I don't like

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this. I don't like this. Why did
it do that? Did

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Dave Jones: you choose that? No,
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Adam Curry: no, no, did
generated automatically. This is

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not gray. No, that didn't feel
good. And then I had to go in

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and I have to install the cert
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operating system. So like, Wow,
man, that was a lot more than I

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bargained for.

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Dave Jones: So let me please
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install is this destined to be a
lightning node?

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Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, it's got next

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cloud, it's got it's got you
know, it's it's destined, the

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whole point of start nine, is to
take you off a big tech Silicon

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Valley stuff, and replace it
with, you know, with your own

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sovereign hosting.

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Dave Jones: I just want you to
put felt manhood into your value

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blog into your split. I

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Adam Curry: think it's a show
title, honestly, it is. Anyway,

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I told the, I told the CEO, Matt
nice guy said, Hey, I'm writing

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down some stuff you want me to
send to particular team members

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have now sent directly to me. So
that's one of the things I have,

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like I need to be able to change
that name, by the way, dot

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local, doesn't work on Wi Fi
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kinds of stuff that having just
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you know, they're they have a
way to do it. Which would just

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solve all of this. And I think
the certificate part. Yeah, I

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understand being sovereign, but
holy crap. It's really

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complicated to install a cert
both server and you have to

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install it on every machine
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Dave Jones: I don't know. My
dirty secret is just is that SSL

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is just the most confusing thing
in the world to me. TLS I don't,

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it's like yeah, I understand the
raw concepts. But when it comes

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to actually pushing things out
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there's if you ever read the man
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mean the felt Oman page, the man
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horrible. It's worse than ffmpeg
i mean, like that nobody

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understands these these options.
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Adam Curry: Go Podcast.

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Unknown: 20 is Blaze only Impala

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Adam Curry: we just we just got
a 450,000 sat boost from Martin

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on the new pod friend to lit
app. Oh, whoa. Whoa. So it's

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alright show's over. Read the
good board meeting everybody.

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We'll see you next week.

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Dave Jones: So So pod friend
2.0. Does lists functional it's

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like it as as as the Empire
would say this is this

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battleship is fully operation. I
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Adam Curry: if that was a fat
finger there. You sure you meant

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to send that mark? We're not
going

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Dave Jones: back more. Yeah. Oh,
It's no refunds

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Adam Curry: no Holy crap, man.
Thank you so much, Martin. Well,

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then he boosted earlier. He said
to first lit, lit boost from pod

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friend like, Oh, that's pretty
cool. He's got these got that

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working for pod friend, you know
it hasn't been released yet but

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you know, he's been teasing us
with it. And, and you know and I

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saw I posted a I gave a little
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oh I feel douchey now that I
only sent 10 Sad. So I'm like,

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Well, I didn't say it but you
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Wow, thank you very much,
Martin. That's that really tells

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Dave Jones: you that V for V is
working in pod friend twit. 2.0.

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And alive is both they're both
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Adam Curry: He says in the chat
here. I did mean to send it

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funny enough was supposed to
have a message attached. So I

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think the beta test failed do to
go do it again. We are live of

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course, live and in person, the
live item tag is activated. This

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is something that is becoming
very popular. I mean, all the

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apps are integrating it.
Currently we have pod for pod

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verse curio caster, podcast guru
podcast addict, I understand

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that. Fountain fountain is in
beta on iOS and Android and soon

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we'll have pod friend version
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Especially because there's a lot
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is creeping me out. And I and I,
and I have good reason to say,

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Well, I mean, it's it's an I
know I'm sure this was I don't

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know, it's I don't think this
was intentional. But I'm

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listening to pod news, weekly
review. And by the way, thank

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you, James for wishing me well,
with my with my health issues

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all as well. All is good. And
Sam's doing an interview with

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Sharon Taylor, the SVP podcast
strategy at Triton digital. I

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don't know much about Triton.
But I think they do a lot with

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radio stations. And they were
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and radio stations. And Sam
brings up the lit tag. And it's

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not so much the lit tag as to
what she said and what he

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affirmed. That kind of threw me
off. Here's a clip. And it's

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Unknown: like, fundamentally the
radio station telling you your

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shows now live now. If you've
come across that at

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Dave Jones: all, no, I haven't.
No. So we're familiar with the

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namespace project, although
they've stopped calling it that

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now. And it's ESP Thank you.
Yes, that's what No, that's

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Adam Curry: not right. That's
not in fact, it's borderline

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insulting.

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Dave Jones: We know these are
two different things, the port,

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the podcasting 2.0, the
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project are not related.

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Adam Curry: And now I need to
question what is going on with

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the podcast Standards Project. I
mean, this thing seems to be

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stuck in second gear. Like
somebody shifts that thing into

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three or four, because you look
at the website, and nothing has

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changed. It's still the initial
and we tried to we're still

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giving them 5% of our of our
booths to help fund their

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initiatives. I don't see
anything moving with this thing.

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And so this is where I got
creeped out, because I went to

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pod standards.org And I go under
blogging news. And so I see the

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same initial post from Justin
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what creeped me out to title is

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what is open podcasting. And why
does it matter? You know what,

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no, no, no, no, by keep hearing
this EP was great because we are

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podcasting. All the rest is
closed podcasting. We're not

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open. We're podcasting. We were
here before anybody else. You

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don't get to come in and say
open podcasting. The minds will

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say hey, we're douche losers,
no. Closed. Pasc podcasting is

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what the podcast industrial
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fundamentally against this now,
not against the pod Standards

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Project. But unless they don't
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podcasting wherever you get your
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beauty, YouTube, Spotify. That's
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closed podcasting. The Apple
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is all fine. Now, I'm not
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believe in him personally, at
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behind a paywall. I certainly
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someone pays you on a regular
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you saw you put Otto into the
into the namespace for for the

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value block. Thank you for that.
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implement that because you Um,
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podcasts I'd like to support. By
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discussed that much, you and I
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it, the auto subscription, or
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sure what a better word
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critical for the whole value for
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really been discussed or
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as an example, we of course have
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because of tax time. That's when
people get oh, yeah, now we will

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have a spike when people get
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giving us refunds. Tax Time, and
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that time of year just happens
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when people have other expenses
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still there'll be, you know,
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chord, and that's true value for
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it's, it's probably about 30% of
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a while to build that up. Is is
over time is from people who

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send something weekly or
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never counted it. But you know,
our our subscribers are also

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very near and dear to us. What
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Dave Jones: Just having a look.

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Adam Curry: Observe Ambrose

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Dave Jones: made a comment about
phenomenal. Yes. I couldn't

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help. Yes. He, he dragged me
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Adam Curry: having someone
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a week or $5 a month is it's
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those. That's a big deal. So
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of critical. And I'd love for
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that I know it's yet another
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Dave Jones: here for yet another

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Adam Curry: one more thing.
Exactly. So I would like to

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change the change this. And I
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it because he's probably the
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the hosting business we have
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Open podcasting. Todd, we don't
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podcasting. You are there in the
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closed podcasting.

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Dave Jones: Well is the word
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Standards Project.

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Adam Curry: Yes, site. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. This
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Adam Curry: I mean, literally,
it literally says that. That's

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That's why I got triggered by
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news. It says, What is Open
podcasting? And why does it

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matter? And now Now I know but
no, no. What has closed

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podcasting and why do we need to
fight it? That should be the

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Dave Jones: We should do a
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Adam Curry: Yes. Yes. It's just
it's just this it's just an I

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know. No one meant any malice.
But that is slippage, man, we

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can't we can't let that happen.
And besides me, I'm sorry. Who

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gives a crap? Close POC. All I
hear is that advertising is up.

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Everything's great. Fine.

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Dave Jones: Well, me. I don't
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lays off 10% of staff. Oh,
really? Yeah, just saw this

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right before the show says says
this is this is the this is

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everybody's got their angle on
things and everybody's pushing

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their own version of whatever
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because, you know, I mean,
everybody's got their own

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numbers and it's all just BS.
Honestly, it's this is a PR

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excellent off Timpson, their
staff. Every effort was made to

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avoid this scenario, including
multiple cost saving measures.

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That is unfortunately due to
decline in podcast sponsorship

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revenue filt across the
industry. I mean, they look

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good. They're laying off
temperature, their staff because

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of decline in podcast
advertising. But then, you know,

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you listen to somebody else, or
oh, it's going great.

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Adam Curry: Well, I listened to
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every single day. And it sounds
like CNBC headlines you know,

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it's like horrible stocks are up
but the markets up. It's a great

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opportunity. It's up.
Everything's down. That means

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it's going up. I mean, you know,
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cents. 30,000 SATs from Martin
beta failed successfully. That's

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Dave Jones: Successful failure.
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Adam Curry: you very much,
Martin. It's so good to have

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Martin back again. And I read
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between him and Steven B of
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even posted about it, that
they're, they get so motivated

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by the group. And also I think
by seeing Satoshis you know,

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Satoshis don't represent me.
It's not a fiat monetary value,

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it's an appreciation meals like
and when podcaster adds an app

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into their split, or when you
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app, an automatically split goes
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all developers who have all
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services and products within the
ecosystem, and be one that we

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were I got to kind of just pat
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smart to do that. The splits
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Dave Jones: Who came up with
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Adam Curry: it's us. We came up
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Dave Jones: I mean, I need I
need the most affirmation from

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from you. So I'm gonna say that
it was me. No, actually, you

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know what, honestly, I think it
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Adam Curry: might have been it
might have been, but

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Dave Jones: But you should have
a professional split. And then

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everything we do as

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Adam Curry: well, if he'll ever
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answer my call. I mean, if he
just disappeared, and no matter

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how many times I left a
voicemail, he just never

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Dave Jones: The leader. No,
there was this. By the way,

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we've completely not even talked
about, about you being the Barry

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Bonds of podcasting, making the
hits.

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Adam Curry: But oh, what do you
mean, the Barry Bonds of party?

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Dave Jones: let me you're making
the hits, like your batting

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average is great. I mean, like
you launched, you launched Joe

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Martin into the Stratus. Fall
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Adam Curry: how Okay, so you're
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let's talk about this for a
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Dave Jones: all the way to the
top of the fountain hut is that

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the fountain not 100, or
whatever that is?

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Adam Curry: The wavelength, that
wavelength chart went to the top

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of Wave lake.

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Dave Jones: I mean, that that's,
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Adam Curry: couple things. First
of all, we did this test this,

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and it was you know, and I have
to thank Alex gates for coming

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up with the whole tag idea that
time to time split. Of course,

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Steven B for implementing the
round robin both in sovereign

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feeds as well as in cheerio
caster, which really was the

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only way we're able to prove the
concept. So if you if you

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didn't, I want to do another I
want to try another test today,

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if you don't mind. Because it
was mind blowing how that

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worked, where we played a song
from Joe Martin. And at that

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moment in curio caster, the only
app that supports it at this

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time at the present time. Every
streaming value for value

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payment every boost every
booster gram when 95% To Joe

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Martin, and um, I don't know,
whatever value block Well, I

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think it might have gone to his
wave lake. And he woke up in the

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morning and literally went would
have been number one, what

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happened, which I think is just
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to us. And it was, you know, I'm
not trying to pick on pod news

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weekly review. But we did. We
did get a mention about this

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with Neil, but then they
interviewed people for like, 30

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minutes about no playing music
on podcast. We this is this is

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so much bigger than a technical
thing. Yeah, it's it's cool that

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we had a technical
implementation, where the value

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switch from coming to us going
majority to the artist who then

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of course, could also have his
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maybe wave lake in there and
himself has been heated, he

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could have put a number of
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all of that would have worked.
Presumably. It's much bigger

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than that. We are now
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that's been in place for Oh
goodness, 6070 years, I mean,

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the performing rights
organizations, the publishers

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which are usually record
companies. You know, there's

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there's all kinds of other rats
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sound exchange, and really the
people who made it completely

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impossible for licensed music
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ra CSAC, all these different
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to be played because that would
you know, it's all it's a

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synchronization right. It's a
you know, actually, they are

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making something downloadable
boom, who comes to Harry Fox

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agency, we cut out all of those
people, all of them, all of

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them, they're all cut out. And
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Dave Jones: That's the most
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is. There's nobody in the middle
now that you replace them and

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there's nobody in them. There's
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Adam Curry: it's going directly
from people who are enjoying the

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product, outstanding product to
the people making that product

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that and again, the app they're
using gets a piece of the

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action. The podcast that is
playing it in this case gets a

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piece of the action this is
going to spark a huge

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revolution. Should and I'd like
to, with your permission, I'd

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like to do another test but not
with Joe Martin today. So we

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have, of course, Steven B, who
he designs electrical boxes for

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living doesn't mean because I
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Dave Jones: say something like
that like this. Yeah, electrical

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something. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: I'm sure I'm
downplaying. I'm sure he does

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designs for an entire building
or something. But it's so hard

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to connect it to the guy that
has built curio casts or

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sovereign feeds and Elon beats
Elon beats.com, Lightning

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Network beats. So this is now my
homework machine. So I go to Lm

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beats, I can sample all kinds of
music, the only only music has

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in there has medium equals
music. So a lot of it's from

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wavelength people who submit it
to the podcast index. And this

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is where I look around, I try
and find some songs and I found

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one, and I don't know the
artists, I've not contacted

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them. I'd like to see if we can
get another you know another if

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we can push if we can push
another artists to the top of

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the wavelength chart.

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Dave Jones: Let's do it. Let's
do it. Okay, so who is going to

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give me the give me the rundown.
I'm picking the hit.

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Adam Curry: So as you know, I'm
picking the hits. I'm kind of a

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poppy kind of guy. And Fridays
used to be Oh, hello sync

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activity. Fridays used to be
FUBAR Friday daddy source codes.

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I've been looking for something
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something within the three
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bam, bam, thank you man. Let's
get it done and over with so

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again, as of last time if you
want to participate in the test

436
00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:38,700
you can of course listen to this
on any podcast app but if you'd

437
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:42,510
like to help out listen to it on
curio caster connect your get

438
00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:46,500
Alby wallet so you can stream
and you can boost and this is

439
00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:51,120
just at random although I did
vet the entire album it's rusty

440
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:56,250
gate nice little puppy tune it's
called a girl like me

441
00:27:00,690 --> 00:27:07,950
Unknown: so nice song man about
to lose the town yes

442
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:53,010
be in a girl like

443
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:16,770
so Sorry about the bad girl not
really

444
00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:44,010
come on no matter where

445
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:53,820
you are in a girl like

446
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:13,950
wow

447
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:23,670
no matter where

448
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:33,450
you in a girl likes

449
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:39,780
Adam Curry: in a girl likes more
time

450
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:44,400
Unknown: in a girl likes

451
00:29:44,429 --> 00:29:48,449
Adam Curry: all right this was
unexpected blueberry so the

452
00:29:48,449 --> 00:29:51,899
minute I hit the track the chat
room goes nuts blueberries like

453
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:55,229
oh my god that's my dad's band
and which I don't know if it's

454
00:29:55,409 --> 00:29:59,999
good or not like oh my plain old
people music here. I really like

455
00:29:59,999 --> 00:30:03,299
like this song, it's like, you
know, has kind of that 80s Like

456
00:30:03,329 --> 00:30:04,919
Blondie type feel to it.

457
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,410
Dave Jones: Totally. That's,
that's what I was picking up to.

458
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,010
Adam Curry: Yeah, really. And
we're not gonna be playing music

459
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:14,790
and every single podcasting 2.0
Unless you all want that. But

460
00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:17,700
this is also very important for
Steven B, who had a whole bunch

461
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:23,250
of things he tweaked and fixed
and needed to adjust. So, and

462
00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:24,270
that's what this is.

463
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,910
Dave Jones: This is this is
scissor sharpening is what this

464
00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:31,170
is fine tuning the scissors. You
know that that little screw in

465
00:30:31,170 --> 00:30:36,210
the middle? The overtime? Yeah,
yes. This is this is adjustment.

466
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:38,190
I thought I was trying to figure
out which one you were going to

467
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:43,530
play. I thought you might go
Satoshis funk, but, or either,

468
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:46,020
or fudge. There was one of
those.

469
00:30:46,770 --> 00:30:49,800
Adam Curry: I mean, I've just,
I've just gone by the Obama

470
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,670
year, man. I was actually Tina's
in New York this week. So I was

471
00:30:53,670 --> 00:30:57,300
around a little bit behind the
dog. The dog is like very, is

472
00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:01,830
like inconsolable. Her mom's
gone to line by the door didn't

473
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:05,250
prove this morning. I'm like,
why don't we go to the park. So

474
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:09,570
I went to the park at 915. It's
it's not a great day. No running

475
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:12,840
around. She pooped Of course, we
come back. But then I'm running

476
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,880
late. And I'm like, I gotta get
something to eat. I haven't had

477
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,240
breakfast. So I dashed over to
water burger to do a drive thru,

478
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,360
which is probably if it comes to
fast food, the healthiest you

479
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,770
can get in Texas. And on the way
there, I'm just on LM beach.

480
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:27,960
Like let me find something. Let
me find something. Want to find

481
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,490
some. And I just I didn't want
to be someone I knew. I knew I

482
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,880
knew. Yeah. Yeah, I guess just
something that popped up. So

483
00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:39,960
we've got something going on
here. This n and I've got Cody

484
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:47,580
from rev FM and Courville. And
he's He's been following this.

485
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:51,390
And he's like, holy crap I want
in on this. And so he's now

486
00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:54,870
actively recruiting bands. He
knows. I mean, he's been in rock

487
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:58,200
music business for a long time.
And he's getting people on wave

488
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,660
Lake and getting them to submit
to the index. So he's gonna

489
00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:04,320
start a show, then. Oh, sweet.
Yeah. I mean, he's a music he

490
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,510
does the morning show on Rev.
FM. The Rock of Texas. Is rock.

491
00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:13,320
Nice. Yeah. So you know this, we
got something going on here.

492
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,720
It's something's happening. I'm
very, very excited.

493
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,340
Dave Jones: Okay, well, let's,
let's let's throw let's throw a

494
00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:26,040
debate in here. We're not debate
that I don't. It's so that

495
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:27,240
Daniel brought up that

496
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:31,410
Adam Curry: namespace? I saw
this. Yes.

497
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:35,940
Dave Jones: Yes. The, let me
sort of

498
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,460
Adam Curry: explain what he what
he's saying.

499
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,170
Dave Jones: So what he said was,
you know, this, this should be

500
00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:50,010
in the V for V splits for in
this scenario. So this is just

501
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:53,490
Just to recap, what's happening
here, so that we're all on the

502
00:32:53,490 --> 00:33:01,980
same page right on a value, our
value block in our feed tails

503
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:09,450
tells podcasting apps to stream
set to streams, sets as boost

504
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:12,690
and streams from the app tells
it to go send it back to our

505
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:18,480
nodes because our splits are in
there. So then now we have

506
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:24,960
courtesy of Alex, we have this
new XML tag, value times value

507
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,140
time split. And so the idea here
is that you have a you put that

508
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:36,000
we're going to put this split
tag into our value block that

509
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,970
says, For this time for that for
a start at the start time of X

510
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,240
minutes and x seconds, begin
sending value block infant

511
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,800
begins sending sets not to us
not to our splits, but forklift,

512
00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:57,780
this split from another feed
into into here and send it to

513
00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:03,150
send it to those splits for this
duration, and then revert back

514
00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:03,930
to our split,

515
00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:07,170
Adam Curry: especially like just
switching wallets for the

516
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:08,220
duration of the song

517
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,109
Dave Jones: is much easier
explanation Thank you. So that's

518
00:34:13,139 --> 00:34:13,559
that's

519
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:17,550
Adam Curry: when the the
inheritance of any splits. So if

520
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:20,550
your wallet has actually three
wallets of the band members,

521
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:23,460
that that carries through, so
it's not just one it can be

522
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:26,040
three payments, whatever you set
up in your splits.

523
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,410
Dave Jones: And that's the
that's the key part of this is

524
00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:31,890
that the win so the way this
works is through the value time

525
00:34:31,890 --> 00:34:39,090
split references a remote item.
And the remote item is is a is a

526
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:45,240
pointer to another feed. So the
the the app sees that goes out

527
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,710
grabs the value block in its
entirety, all this splits from

528
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:54,240
that other feed, pulls it in and
uses it and then lets it go.

529
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:58,020
Right and so like he like you
said it's if the entire blog is

530
00:34:58,020 --> 00:35:00,930
not just one person or one
split. So

531
00:35:00,930 --> 00:35:03,180
Adam Curry: in this case wave
Lake, I think they they they

532
00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:05,520
there was a split between the
artist and wave. I didn't know

533
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,370
if they could manage splits on
weight on the wave Lake

534
00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:09,780
platform. Are you aware?

535
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:12,480
Dave Jones: I don't know if they
have that yet. I don't remember

536
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,170
what I said.

537
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,510
Adam Curry: But I think I'm
pretty sure that there is there

538
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:19,740
is one split. Well, if in fact,
I can take a look. Because of

539
00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:23,130
course, I put girl like me in
the show notes and continue

540
00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:24,000
while I'm looking that up.

541
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,840
Dave Jones: Yeah. So that. So
that's what's happening. So then

542
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:34,110
they Daniel brought up on the on
the podcast index social that

543
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,580
well, this should be in the
chapters, because this is

544
00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:41,310
inherent in understand his
thinking there. This is an

545
00:35:41,310 --> 00:35:46,680
inherently time based operation.
So it makes me it makes the most

546
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,740
sense to put it in the chapters.
And understand the thinking but

547
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:56,550
it that's not that's not the
right way to think about it. Why

548
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:59,850
is he thinking that? Well,
because it's a time it's a time

549
00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:02,700
sensitive operation. And so the
chapters already have,

550
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:04,680
Adam Curry: it's not what
translators are, as well, our

551
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,480
transcripts also time sensitive.

552
00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:11,040
Dave Jones: Yeah, but
transcripts. So chapters is a is

553
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,320
inherently a way to delineate
things based on time. Whereas

554
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:20,610
transcripts are just time as a
property of the transcript. Got

555
00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:26,700
it? So like, you know, he
understand his thinking is, why

556
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,430
don't we've already got this
thing here.

557
00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:31,410
Adam Curry: Something already
working, why don't we just add

558
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:31,890
to it?

559
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:35,580
Dave Jones: Or something already
specified? Yeah, the in this

560
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:38,700
this thing, that's what it does
the chat. The chapters are

561
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,870
inherently like a clock that's
ticking on the podcast where

562
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:48,060
certain events happen. And so I
understand that the this, I

563
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:55,740
think the I think the problem
here is twofold. When you have a

564
00:36:55,740 --> 00:37:00,960
thing that is critical to the to
the podcast. So for instance,

565
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:05,160
something like, let's just say
the enclosure, the enclosure

566
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,420
itself, you don't put that in a
separate file, there's a certain

567
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:13,620
set of elements that are
critical to the functionality of

568
00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:19,560
the podcast, make it work. And
they're not like, sort of add on

569
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,830
Extras, and monitor anything to
do with monetizing, or that that

570
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:30,750
should be considered critical to
the functionality of the show of

571
00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:34,410
the podcast. So that stuff needs
to be in the XML in

572
00:37:34,410 --> 00:37:37,230
Adam Curry: the feed itself.
Yeah, I got you there. I gotcha.

573
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:37,620
Two

574
00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:41,010
Dave Jones: for two reasons.
One, because it makes it more

575
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:48,750
reliable. It's an to because not
every everybody that lots of

576
00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:51,750
people have already said we're
not going to do chapters. I

577
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:54,330
mean, there's been hosting
companies that have said, we're

578
00:37:54,330 --> 00:37:54,900
not doing that.

579
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,140
Adam Curry: Well, they, they
they literally can't because

580
00:37:58,140 --> 00:38:04,170
they've already committed to it
dynamic or dynamic ad insertion

581
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:10,020
and either don't have control of
it or don't don't want to re

582
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:15,270
recode or refactor for it. So
there just isn't. Well, that's

583
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:16,830
because they're close
podcasting.

584
00:38:18,810 --> 00:38:22,020
Dave Jones: Because they,
they've tied themselves. I'm

585
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:26,730
such a big, well, you tie
yourself to dynamic ad insertion

586
00:38:26,730 --> 00:38:28,650
in this. That's what did you say
dynamic

587
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:31,170
Adam Curry: ad insertion? I'm
sure I heard you say that.

588
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:33,630
Dave Jones: That's exactly.
Because that's that's garbage.

589
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:41,340
It stinks. So that's what that
that's what if you. So those are

590
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:43,500
those are those two reasons. But
then there's an even another

591
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:48,630
reason to do this because or not
not to put it in chapters is

592
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:53,490
there's already there's already
these these tags, and everything

593
00:38:53,490 --> 00:38:56,700
already exists in order to
reference these things. And we

594
00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:01,260
need to extend that. These are
the we we've got these building

595
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:04,590
blocks, we're going to put these
things together. I think this

596
00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:08,730
stuff, the devalue block
information can exist in the

597
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:12,510
chapters. I'm not. I think
that's fine as an add on. And I

598
00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:15,420
think that will come eventually
in time, we can stick that stuff

599
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:19,290
in there. But the base layer
reliable stuff needs to be in

600
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:19,920
the feed.

601
00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:27,600
Adam Curry: Also, implementation
matters. You know, this first

602
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,790
implementation has been done.
Yeah. So do we need to go and

603
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:35,070
change it? If it's something
that's working and all the bugs

604
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:39,240
are being hashed out as we
speak? I mean, you know, to me,

605
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,690
it doesn't matter at all because
I didn't I wasn't even sure if

606
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:46,620
he was using Alex Gates's idea
or not. I had no idea how he did

607
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:49,770
it. Because you know, he's done
the whole round robin. I mean,

608
00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:53,910
he could be doing in a number of
ways. I have no idea of which

609
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:56,400
and I guess he did, which is why
I need to thank Alex for writing

610
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:56,880
that up.

611
00:39:58,410 --> 00:40:00,600
Dave Jones: Well, it takes
advantage of room mode item and

612
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,330
remote item is going to become a
critical piece to everything.

613
00:40:03,330 --> 00:40:06,720
That's why right hard for it on
broad roll right elements,

614
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,990
right? Because it's it's a it's
a, it's a puzzle piece. Yeah,

615
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:15,570
it's like a Lego you stick this
it has one job, its job is to

616
00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:20,220
point to a section of it to
point to another feed, or

617
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:24,300
another episode in another feed.
And so once you have that you

618
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,120
can mix and match and plug it in
anywhere and it can be plugged

619
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,160
in as a as a like, like it isn't
value time split, where it's a

620
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,700
child of the value time split,
or it could be plugged in as a

621
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:39,030
parent of another item like a
sound bite. So you can say okay,

622
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:42,510
sound, here's a remote item in
there's a child of the remote

623
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:47,220
item called sound sound bite
that tells the that tells the

624
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:51,960
app, go to this other feed, grab
this episode and then only play

625
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:53,190
this portion of it.

626
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:57,450
Adam Curry: So this so this
actually uses remote item. Or

627
00:40:57,450 --> 00:40:59,160
just the concept of remote item,

628
00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:01,800
Dave Jones: it uses remote item
because it's a value time split

629
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,430
with a remote item specifier in
it. That's how the app knows

630
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:07,470
where to go and pick up the
other valuable

631
00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:11,070
Adam Curry: for for musicians,
artists, bands, etc. in the show

632
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:17,580
notes for this show 132 links to
the music side project studio,

633
00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:21,180
which allows you to create your
own splits and your own system,

634
00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:25,650
as well as a video which is
called Music side project

635
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,260
studio. The Game Changer every
independent musician needs to

636
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:33,900
know shows exactly how to do it.
So that's an apt link to Lm

637
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:36,750
beats and and all that and if
you're listening to this on a

638
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:40,290
different app, go ahead and just
switch to curio caster and

639
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:42,930
listen to that song and send a
boost to Graham so you can let

640
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:46,800
rusty gate know that that they
were a part of yet again, part

641
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:47,850
of history in the making.

642
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,330
Dave Jones: Now is resti gate
the name of the band or a dude

643
00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:51,990
in the band?

644
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:54,990
Adam Curry: As far as I know,
it's it's the name of the band.

645
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,150
Okay, gotcha. Yeah, they also
had a psychedelic mix of this

646
00:42:00,150 --> 00:42:02,970
song, but there's too
psychedelic for me.

647
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,310
Dave Jones: It's not Poppy.

648
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:08,700
Adam Curry: No, you know me. I
like Poppy. Man, I'd like it to

649
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:13,470
be Poppy. So since we're talking
about this, should we should we

650
00:42:13,470 --> 00:42:14,130
go into.

651
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,460
Unknown: And now it's time for
some hot namespace talks.

652
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:24,300
Adam Curry: Since you know,
phase six is upon us. And

653
00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:28,650
there's stuff to be discussed
and you're active in the GitHub

654
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:31,260
doing all kinds of stuff. I
think we need to bring people up

655
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:33,210
to speed on what's what's going
on.

656
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,360
Dave Jones: Yeah, we did. We did
part of it just there. That's

657
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,720
remote and remote island that's
written that's written up. I do.

658
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:44,520
I gotta add another aspect to
it, which is sort of, it's

659
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:50,460
written up as, as a child in its
in its sort of child

660
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:54,180
functionality. But I need to
also write up this sort of

661
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:58,770
parent part of it, where it can
hold other elements, like we

662
00:42:58,770 --> 00:43:02,700
discussed. So because it's like
a dual use tag. It's very

663
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:04,860
Adam Curry: exciting. I didn't
quite understand it. Now that

664
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:07,830
now that you know, you've put
this into context for me, it

665
00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:12,930
sounds like this could be a core
element of, of the namespace,

666
00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:16,650
sometimes incorrectly called the
pod Standards Project.

667
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:19,890
Dave Jones: Didn't we change the
name? Didn't we change the name

668
00:43:19,890 --> 00:43:22,410
from the names podcast namespace
to plus standard project?

669
00:43:22,799 --> 00:43:24,059
Adam Curry: I guess I'm not.

670
00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:29,730
Dave Jones: Pod pod roll. We've
got we've got that defined in

671
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:31,560
there waiting on a little bit
more feedback. But

672
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:35,070
Adam Curry: what now that's
controversial. Because there was

673
00:43:35,070 --> 00:43:38,850
lots of I kind of fell out of
the back and forth after message

674
00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:44,940
1000. What is everyone happy now
was with where we're at with POD

675
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:47,610
roll, because it was supposed to
be really simple and beautiful.

676
00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:50,790
And then people can jam and
stuff in and then we got angry.

677
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:53,040
And we're back and forth. And I
don't know if it was really

678
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,830
anger. I mean, it depends on the
context of reading it. But you

679
00:43:55,830 --> 00:44:00,390
know, like this, and so, what's
where we have

680
00:44:02,610 --> 00:44:05,730
Dave Jones: so I think we're
good. I mean, I have not I have

681
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:13,890
not seen any any negative
feedback yet. Kevin was messing

682
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:20,310
around and being given me a hard
time, but I think so his issue

683
00:44:20,310 --> 00:44:23,970
mainly just felt just fell down
to the to simplicity. He's like,

684
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:26,850
I just want this to be a simple
tag. I don't want to

685
00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:31,560
overcomplicate it, and I think
we're there like he initially

686
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:37,050
had podcast colon pod pod roll,
as a comma separated list of

687
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:46,830
goods feed goo. Which, which
works except it was a couple of

688
00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:51,030
things if there's a couple of
ways it can fall down so remote,

689
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:57,030
we have remote item. And so that
needs all that can just exist in

690
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:59,970
there as as a good reference
like it there's really it adds

691
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,380
It adds zero complexity, because
it's still just a GUID

692
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:08,610
reference. But it makes the
aggregation so much easier.

693
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:11,790
Because if you're aggregating
XML, you can just let the parser

694
00:45:11,790 --> 00:45:15,750
do all the work. If it's if it's
an XML element, if it's not, you

695
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:19,140
have to extract the value and
then do a comma, and then do a

696
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:25,260
comma. explode on it. So like
you don't have like, yeah, I

697
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:28,680
don't know. It's just it's, it
makes the code a lot more

698
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,210
straightforward for me for an
aggregator. So that's, that's

699
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:34,950
good. That's what you want.
You're already parsing XML

700
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:38,610
anyway, just keep going. But the
other thing is, if we use as

701
00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:46,200
long if we use remote item, we
get this other benefit. And this

702
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:52,740
this is a real issue that we
need to we need to face. Yes, Gu

703
00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:57,570
IDs are awesome. And yes, Gu ID
Gu IDs are the way of the

704
00:45:57,570 --> 00:46:04,320
future. But there's going to be
some apps that don't have

705
00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:07,650
Adam Curry: good resolving
capability. Yes.

706
00:46:08,310 --> 00:46:09,990
Dave Jones: Like, there's going
to be some apps that are

707
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:14,130
actually somatic specifically,
they don't have a back end, and

708
00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:16,950
I don't want these, here's the
thing I don't want, I don't want

709
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:20,640
Google to rely on us, I don't
want to be the go, everybody has

710
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,530
to go to COVID I don't want to
be the good central repository

711
00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:29,790
for the universe, like we, the
whole idea here is that

712
00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:33,630
everybody can see it. So
everybody builds their own list

713
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:39,540
like that it's there. So as part
of remote item, we also have a

714
00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:42,300
feed your that you have a feed
good attribute, and you also

715
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:47,190
have a feed URL attribute. So
the pod role, or whatever else

716
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:51,990
uses remote out m can use the GU
ID or the URL, the specification

717
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:57,960
says use both. So that's the you
have this URL attribute

718
00:46:58,410 --> 00:47:01,470
capability that you can have as
a fallback for those apps that

719
00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:04,950
are kneecapped. And I think I
think it's important

720
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:08,910
Adam Curry: is so what that
seems like that stands apart

721
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:15,990
from everybody from where goods
are located. Who is there? So

722
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:18,900
you're saying two different
things. One, you want to make

723
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:23,700
sure that all apps can use this
functionality or or have a

724
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:28,110
fallback to you don't want to be
the central repository for good

725
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:31,830
who then and why not? Who then
should be the central

726
00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:35,190
repository? Yeah. How do you how
do you handle that? Well, there

727
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:37,710
Dave Jones: isn't, that's the
whole concept of guid is that

728
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:41,970
there is never a central
repository, the feed itself

729
00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:46,320
declares it to go it's good
value. And so everybody has act

730
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,860
everybody can read it. Think
about cast ematic or antenna pod

731
00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:52,590
that don't have that don't have
any sort of server back end.

732
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,210
They You make

733
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:55,770
Adam Curry: it sound like
they're like they're poor

734
00:47:55,770 --> 00:47:59,130
orphans or something. You know,
it's like Little Orphan Annie.

735
00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:02,040
Think of the poor children who
don't have any parents.

736
00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:04,620
Dave Jones: It's just Franco
sitting in his living room with

737
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:13,470
an iMac and a Mac Dog Tick. That
there's there's so an app like

738
00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:18,330
that. They they don't even know
they would have to pull somebody

739
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:22,800
like us, which is fine. They can
if they want to. I don't have a

740
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,450
problem with it. But they, they
shouldn't have to. Okay, do you

741
00:48:27,450 --> 00:48:28,380
see what I'm saying?

742
00:48:29,130 --> 00:48:31,800
Adam Curry: Oh, no, I'm all for
true decentralization.

743
00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:35,520
Obviously, yes, no, and being
less of the center of the

744
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,680
universe as possible. So if you

745
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,310
Dave Jones: work if you if you
have both in the spec and you

746
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:44,880
require both you say, Okay, you
you need to use a feed you ID

747
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:51,390
and a feed URL when the app sees
that they can say Oh, I know who

748
00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:55,380
it is. And I know exactly what
this is I'll use this because

749
00:48:55,380 --> 00:49:00,990
it's because it's reliable. Or
lets me differentiate and that

750
00:49:00,990 --> 00:49:05,250
kind of thing. Or if if it's
cast ematic or antenna pod and

751
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:09,720
they see this or like I'm I'm
hamstrung here because I'm just

752
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:13,680
a single app and all I have in
my library is 25 podcasts I

753
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,980
don't know these goods I don't
know what these are. So I need I

754
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:22,620
need a URL is way more is way
easier for me. So you don't get

755
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:26,760
the benefit of good which is
tracks changes over time because

756
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,420
eventually that is possible that
URL may be wrong if the feed

757
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:34,140
news then the goo it is your is
your authority

758
00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:37,140
Adam Curry: or if someone just
decides they want to change

759
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:40,530
their good that that it's a no
no but that could happen right?

760
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:43,260
Dave Jones: It could that's
those people shouldn't be

761
00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:49,890
showered on yes yes at dawn Yes.
Does anybody shooting by a night

762
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:51,210
is always always I think it's

763
00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:53,250
Adam Curry: always a dawn like
to get your day started you

764
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:55,470
know, if you're on the firing
squad, it's like hey, whatever

765
00:49:55,470 --> 00:49:58,470
call what's your what's your
Friday like? I'm gonna shoot

766
00:49:58,470 --> 00:50:02,730
somebody and then you go go I'll
say something Yeah.

767
00:50:04,170 --> 00:50:09,300
Dave Jones: So that's the GUID
is that should be authoritative

768
00:50:09,330 --> 00:50:11,340
but URL for fallback.

769
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:15,120
Adam Curry: Okay. All right.
That sounds good solved.

770
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:18,210
Dave Jones: He just said I
changed my good ones and Dave

771
00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:19,170
gets so mad at me

772
00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:25,650
Adam Curry: it's not I had a job
for a while they're carrying the

773
00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:30,120
keeper somehow how to duplicate
good of I think podcasting 2.0

774
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,800
and John Spurlock spotted it he
said that's a no no. Yeah, it

775
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,000
isn't no no look for that. But
well, shot at dawn shot at dawn

776
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,950
right. Before discuss golf.
Yeah.

777
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,020
Dave Jones: Yeah. So that's
that's that we also put in a

778
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:50,850
couple of couple of T O V
attributes that blipped in.

779
00:50:50,850 --> 00:50:54,570
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. This
is for the Hold on one second

780
00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:55,530
day. We got to do a little

781
00:50:56,610 --> 00:51:00,330
Unknown: sad Karla 2009 Am Paula

782
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,780
Adam Curry: Karen O'Neill Darren
Oh, whoa, what do you do?

783
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,930
100,001. Oh, another vigorish
installment for all the services

784
00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:12,660
you provide. There's more where
this came from. If anyone has a

785
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:20,220
photo of Sergio been on a
recumbent bike of random. I

786
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:22,680
don't know what he's doing. But
I have we we break

787
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:24,210
Unknown: pictures of searching.

788
00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:28,440
Adam Curry: The way that
fountain when you do a baller

789
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,790
boosts you get a little icon
that says baller boost. Oh, is

790
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:36,120
it like a badge? Yeah, but like
next to the boost amount. It has

791
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,030
little, little little Yeah,
little icon little badge baller

792
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:39,600
boost.

793
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,500
Dave Jones: I'm such a sucker
for that kind of stuff. Badge.

794
00:51:43,529 --> 00:51:46,979
Adam Curry: I love that. It's
very cool. Great.

795
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,680
Dave Jones: It's such a
gamification. But I get I get I

796
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,510
love it. I get sucked in.
Overtime. Oh, yeah. The Blip 10?

797
00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:57,900
Adam Curry: Yes. Is it for this
is for replies and other things.

798
00:51:58,589 --> 00:52:02,159
Dave Jones: Yeah. So it got
spotted after last week's

799
00:52:03,089 --> 00:52:08,549
episode with the with the with
the scissors. Yeah. That I think

800
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:11,249
it was Joe Morton. I think he I
think he

801
00:52:11,609 --> 00:52:13,829
Adam Curry: bring it on? Well,
this is for attribution. Right.

802
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:15,539
This was for attribution. Right.

803
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,450
Dave Jones: I can't remember the
etiology of how this happened.

804
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:23,580
But remote this the the, I think
Joe said, How do I know where

805
00:52:23,580 --> 00:52:27,510
these came from? How do I know?
How do I know if

806
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:30,540
Adam Curry: it's just stop you
that is really interesting.

807
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:35,610
Because I had the exact same
thing as I'm looking at the at

808
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,150
heli pad. And I'm seeing by the
way before I forget, for some

809
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:43,230
reason, when you install heli
pad on Umbral, you get two icons

810
00:52:43,230 --> 00:52:47,100
on the desktop, I have no idea
why something's weird. They both

811
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:51,240
do the same thing. But you get
two icons, just a bug. I've been

812
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:54,720
meaning to mention this to you
for months. I blame Umbral. Oh,

813
00:52:54,750 --> 00:53:00,060
totally. So, so I'm looking at
the helipad. I'm like, oh, so

814
00:53:00,330 --> 00:53:03,840
hopefully I'll see the what I
was expecting to see. And I

815
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,840
don't know. I mean, I know why.
But technically, what was I

816
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,040
thinking? Well, I was hoping to
see was, all of a sudden, I

817
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,660
would be getting 5% but seeing
the total amount of booths going

818
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:20,970
to Joe Martin. And of course,
that never happened. So for me,

819
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,650
I also wanted the satisfaction
of seeing a basically being in

820
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:27,810
his split, if that makes any
sense.

821
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,050
Dave Jones: I don't under Can
you explain it to me more?

822
00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:35,790
Adam Curry: Yeah, like a human.
Okay, so. So, I'm watching

823
00:53:35,790 --> 00:53:39,870
helipad, I'm seeing the boost
for podcasting. 2.0 Come in. I'm

824
00:53:39,870 --> 00:53:43,470
seeing some booster grabs. Right
and what I was expecting at a

825
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:49,440
certain point was to see people
boosting for Joe Martin and then

826
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:55,470
on my heli pad me seeing
attribution to Joe Martin. I II,

827
00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:59,700
love your song, Joe, and we'll
say Joe Martin, and I'd see the

828
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,250
whole boost amount but I'd be
getting you'll still be getting

829
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:05,730
the 5% or whatever, to our feed.
Does that make sense? Okay,

830
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,440
Dave Jones: yeah, I've initially
I thought you're talking about

831
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,660
the original set value for
numerology, but you're you're

832
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:12,630
talking about the actual
metadata of the of Joe's feed.

833
00:54:12,990 --> 00:54:15,120
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, yeah,
so just like it says, you know,

834
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:19,710
on on a boosted gram here, it's
says, meow. Darren. Oh,

835
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:25,620
podcasting. 2.0 Episode 132 Live
may 12. So what I would expect

836
00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:33,150
to see is Joe Martin. Was it
against gravity? High Ground

837
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:40,110
against gravity, moon landing,
high gravity, and then from who

838
00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:42,960
it was from, and the full boost
amount knowing that I'm only

839
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,840
getting a percentage of that,
but that I'd like to see the

840
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:52,170
message. Does that make sense?
Yeah. Because for me, that makes

841
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,800
that makes me super happy to see
that. Like, oh my god, people

842
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,530
liked his song. You know, I
picked another winner. Now

843
00:54:58,530 --> 00:54:59,880
that's what that's what I want
to see.

844
00:55:00,269 --> 00:55:03,329
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah I get
that so if I think we can do

845
00:55:03,329 --> 00:55:07,979
that with this so we have it
would take it would take a call

846
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:12,269
it's not going to be it's not
going to be in the to V itself

847
00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:15,059
because that's we're really
pushing the limits of how much

848
00:55:15,059 --> 00:55:20,009
data we can stuff in here. But
but it's that but the ability to

849
00:55:20,009 --> 00:55:25,409
get it is there so you can have
these two values or remote feed

850
00:55:25,409 --> 00:55:28,229
guid yeah Steven remote item do
it yeah, I

851
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:30,630
Adam Curry: get it So again,
here's the remote remote item

852
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:34,170
becomes our foundational are our
Rosetta Stone.

853
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,990
Dave Jones: The Rosetta Stone is
the Rosetta Stone that yeah,

854
00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:39,750
that pieces of this stuff
together. Because that now hello

855
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:45,570
pad knows which feed was being
referenced. Yes. And where the

856
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:51,720
where this foreign alien value
blog came from? Yeah. And it can

857
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,160
so it can go get it?

858
00:55:54,210 --> 00:55:57,570
Adam Curry: Can I just say I'm,
I'm so excited about this stuff.

859
00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:01,140
I'm really all jacked about it.
I love this.

860
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,240
Dave Jones: Yeah, me too. I just
I want once we so there's one

861
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,740
cautionary tale here.

862
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:10,890
Adam Curry: Are you going to
rain on my parade? Oh,

863
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:15,510
Dave Jones: no, not another
night. Developers? Okay, so just

864
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:21,300
be understand that these the net
some of the names or some of

865
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:25,650
this stuff, it might change like
I just I just made it don't you

866
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:28,290
don't have to hold off on
scissors. I mean, go ahead, but

867
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:32,700
like things like remote feed
guid remote item good. It's it's

868
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:38,970
possible. That's a confusing
name. So it's there's a lot of

869
00:56:38,970 --> 00:56:42,660
the terminal there's a lot of
the word remote going on here.

870
00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:50,040
Right. And this This could get
because in in actuality, what

871
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,090
remote PHY do it and remote item
good in the TLV are referring to

872
00:56:54,330 --> 00:56:58,620
its remote from Joe Joe Martin's
feed perspective.

873
00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:04,020
Adam Curry: Right, right. Even
though it would be originating

874
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,070
that in that case,

875
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,610
Dave Jones: right because this
is this is meant the remote feed

876
00:57:08,610 --> 00:57:14,040
do it in the remote item good
are meant for Joe's feed to know

877
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:19,170
where where the source of the
boost came from. Right. And so

878
00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:26,010
his fee his his lb wallet would
be getting boosts. And his Albea

879
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:28,710
wallet would then need to
reference remote feed guid and

880
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:32,160
remote item good to know where
oh, this came from the podcasts

881
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,470
in 2.0. Podcast they included.
So it's like, from our

882
00:57:37,470 --> 00:57:40,860
perspective remote items
specifies him as the remote from

883
00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:44,850
his perspective. Remote PHY good
remote item good specifies us as

884
00:57:44,850 --> 00:57:48,480
the remote, which is sort of
confused. Yeah. It should

885
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,020
probably honestly be sourced the
GUID and source item guid or

886
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:57,570
something along those lines. So
I guess what I'm saying what the

887
00:57:57,570 --> 00:58:04,050
warning is? Like, if you jump on
this stuff, as soon as it gets

888
00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:07,560
as soon as it hits the GitHub
without it being declared as

889
00:58:07,620 --> 00:58:08,910
quote formalized.

890
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:11,610
Adam Curry: You could wind up
changing your code later.

891
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:14,430
Dave Jones: Yes, yes. Not the
end of the world. I mean, these

892
00:58:14,430 --> 00:58:16,950
are just names of things, but
just something to be aware of.

893
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,350
Yeah, it's just I'm not I'm not.
Not you know, I'm not a big

894
00:58:22,350 --> 00:58:27,090
naming guy. But, but there is a
lot of, there's a lot of overlap

895
00:58:27,090 --> 00:58:30,240
here that could get confusing.
So I just want to make sure that

896
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,230
we understand what, like we may
need to change this. As matter

897
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:36,780
of fact, I think we should just
go ahead and change the name of

898
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:40,710
remote PHY good. In remote, I'm
good. Something else I will let

899
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:43,380
everybody else determine what
that should be. But I think

900
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:44,460
everybody sees the issue.

901
00:58:44,850 --> 00:58:47,370
Adam Curry: I just remembered I
think you're right, it was Joe

902
00:58:47,370 --> 00:58:51,420
each boy who had the whole
concept Paul each boy have on

903
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:54,810
Joe. But the whole concept of
splits and the new and I

904
00:58:54,810 --> 00:58:57,060
remember I was talking I'm gonna
remember I was in the car, I

905
00:58:57,060 --> 00:59:00,630
think talking to you about it.
For some reason I was in my car.

906
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,710
And, and we said, Ma'am, would
it be cool if we could have

907
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:10,830
everybody part of the value
flow? Yeah. Because Because

908
00:59:10,830 --> 00:59:15,120
initially, we were like, Hey,
how do we get like a voluntary

909
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:20,040
fee to the index? We literally
had or the the initial thing

910
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,390
was, oh, but I'm gonna have
we'll have one channel from the

911
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:28,470
index that goes to our like,
node in front of it. And that

912
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:31,080
node will pick up a percent
every single time someone said

913
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,290
something that was like the
initial thinking. And then we

914
00:59:34,290 --> 00:59:36,240
said no, no, this is
inefficient. And then that's

915
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:38,610
where that so it's, Thank you,
Paul. E toi.

916
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:45,540
Dave Jones: Yeah, he that Paul
and Evan things Evan, Evan Dade,

917
00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:51,690
they have they had a lot to do
with it. So phase A phase six

918
00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:54,630
has a pull request. I'm just I'm
piling everything into a pull

919
00:59:54,630 --> 01:00:01,020
request. That will pull the
trigger on when phase six So

920
01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:04,440
what will happen is June 1 is
the cutoff date for phase six.

921
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,710
That's when everything will
pause. So everything will stop.

922
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,520
And then we'll just do a review
and see where we're at and see

923
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:17,850
if anything needs to be tweaked.
Still on, let me look at this

924
01:00:17,850 --> 01:00:23,580
face six list here. We're still
on pace. We've got remote item,

925
01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:28,140
we've got pod roll list mediums,
those are going to go in there

926
01:00:28,140 --> 01:00:36,360
this weekend. update frequency
from Nathan gathright. That

927
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,040
shouldn't be, that should not be
a problem. It's pretty

928
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:49,200
straightforward. Except guests.
Okay. Except that the, the has

929
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,690
guests or accepts gifts. This is
This is

930
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:55,170
Adam Curry: so funny to me.
Because why? Okay, because one

931
01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:59,580
of the reasons for getting rid
of email addresses in fields and

932
01:00:59,580 --> 01:01:06,060
moving to the kind of non
existent TX T field was to stop

933
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:11,310
people from emailing podcasters.
And honestly, of all the spam I

934
01:01:11,310 --> 01:01:14,730
get, and I like it, I like spam.
I've just filtered to another

935
01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:17,880
bucket a bucket. I look at it
from time to time, I would say

936
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:23,280
70% is here's a great guest I
have for your show. So we took

937
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:29,100
all that out. And now we have a
we're putting in a tags like

938
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,580
yeah, if you want to promote
your guests to my show, I take

939
01:01:32,580 --> 01:01:37,800
guests. And then what how do you
contact the person now? I don't

940
01:01:37,890 --> 01:01:42,210
know. This whole thing is just
weird to me. It's like we're

941
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:45,240
building a spam filter with the
namespaces guesses what?

942
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:54,930
Dave Jones: filth that I think
except guests. feels to me like

943
01:01:54,930 --> 01:02:01,290
it should be just a. Okay, let's
let's let's rewind back in time.

944
01:02:01,290 --> 01:02:05,370
Do you remember when I had this
proposal for something? I think

945
01:02:05,370 --> 01:02:08,760
I called it like state or status
or something like that is a

946
01:02:08,790 --> 01:02:14,520
terrible name. But it was like
the idea there was that you

947
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,150
would have like sort of flight
flags?

948
01:02:18,210 --> 01:02:20,220
Adam Curry: Yeah. Either. It was
a free account. That could be a

949
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:23,430
piece of crap. It was a paid
PopCap paid account? Something

950
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:24,240
like that. Yeah,

951
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:28,020
Dave Jones: yeah. Yeah. Bingo.
Exactly. And so like, you would

952
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:32,700
have this comma separated or
some list of, of tags? And you

953
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:38,400
say, Okay, well, it's almost
like a bit was, like a bit was

954
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,620
value in in code where you have
this list of, we have this

955
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:46,920
eight, eight bit, you have an
integer array, excuse me, I have

956
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,070
a byte. And you can depending on
what the position of which bits

957
01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:54,300
are 01 It means what does this
function get? I want to tell it

958
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:57,900
to do this or that or this or
that? Well, like, it's the same

959
01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:01,080
thing here. So I will, if
there's this tag, let's just

960
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:07,140
call it, let's call it podcast,
colon flags. If it's flagged as

961
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:10,080
trial feed, and it means it's a
it's a free account, blah, blah,

962
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,220
blah. It seems like except
guests should be just another

963
01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:18,480
flag in in some tag like that
instead of a tag.

964
01:03:19,110 --> 01:03:21,450
Adam Curry: Tag. Yeah, that
sounds makes sense, right?

965
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:25,110
Dave Jones: Because it's all it
is, is it? Yes, no. Now people

966
01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:25,380
actually

967
01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:28,650
Adam Curry: using the block tag
at all our hosts have hosts

968
01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:35,220
implemented this. Because, you
know, we got as I was triaging

969
01:03:35,220 --> 01:03:40,410
our incoming support emails,
someone, it's funny, because I

970
01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:43,260
can hear the tone, at least in
my head, like, I don't want to

971
01:03:43,260 --> 01:03:46,500
be on your platform at all. Get
it all off, take it away.

972
01:03:47,850 --> 01:03:50,370
Dave Jones: That's exactly,
that's the voice I hear. That's

973
01:03:50,370 --> 01:03:50,910
what I heard.

974
01:03:51,150 --> 01:03:53,130
Adam Curry: And it's, you know,
Buzzsprout says, I gotta talk to

975
01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:57,840
you. And, like, okay, I can take
it all off. But unless

976
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,260
Buzzsprout puts a block tag in
there, you were going to ingest

977
01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:03,900
it again, when you hit the pod
ping or something else or

978
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:06,780
someone else to submit it. So
we're gonna go through this over

979
01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:09,330
and over again, I was wondering
if we knew if they can, I said,

980
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,530
please ask them to put the block
in block tag in. I don't even

981
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:15,600
know if they can or if they've
implemented that.

982
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:20,700
Dave Jones: No, I don't. That
port is not. You don't have to

983
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:25,710
worry about that. Because when I
when I go feed in the index, I

984
01:04:25,710 --> 01:04:27,900
just I just, I just flag it.

985
01:04:28,020 --> 01:04:31,440
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. So I can
say, yeah, yeah, we'll block it.

986
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,150
But don't you dare come back.

987
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,150
Dave Jones: This, have you
noticed? There's a lot now. You

988
01:04:39,210 --> 01:04:43,590
tell me I'm wrong. But there's a
lot more people that it seems

989
01:04:43,590 --> 01:04:46,140
like there's a lot more people
bailing out and saying, hey, I

990
01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:47,880
want you to delete my podcast.

991
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,780
Adam Curry: Yeah, they've
already set up deleted my feed

992
01:04:51,810 --> 01:04:54,330
over here. I've deleted
everything. They have, in fact,

993
01:04:54,330 --> 01:04:58,560
deleted their feed, and it's
just kind of cached on man. I

994
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,600
wish I could take some of that
away. From you, because it'd be

995
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,300
so easy for me to just, you
know, hit a couple of buttons

996
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:07,260
and nuke something I would need
nuke and refresh is basically

997
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:08,670
the only two things I need.

998
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:12,420
Dave Jones: I've got a lot, you
know, you've got the short list

999
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:15,150
of things I have to do. And then
the longer list of things I

1000
01:05:15,150 --> 01:05:19,830
need, you know that I need slash
want to do. Okay, the half to

1001
01:05:19,830 --> 01:05:24,180
list is, is got some real
important things on it. But the

1002
01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:26,640
longer list that is one of them,
I'm going to give you a

1003
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:27,420
management portal,

1004
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,130
Adam Curry: a management portal.
Oh, I

1005
01:05:29,130 --> 01:05:32,070
Dave Jones: like it. You liked
the sound of this? Yeah, I do.

1006
01:05:32,070 --> 01:05:33,000
And admin portal,

1007
01:05:33,390 --> 01:05:34,770
Adam Curry: bug management
portal?

1008
01:05:36,750 --> 01:05:42,300
Dave Jones: Dashboard. Yeah. So
that's, that's on the list. And

1009
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,410
I think ideally, it would be
more than just you, you know,

1010
01:05:46,410 --> 01:05:49,530
like we would give it to the
trusted people. Yes.

1011
01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:52,080
Adam Curry: Ideally, ideally,
you're not doing any work, and

1012
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,700
I'm not doing any work. That's
ideal.

1013
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:55,380
Dave Jones: That's the best of
all worlds.

1014
01:05:55,890 --> 01:05:59,310
Adam Curry: That's the ideal
scenario. But no, okay. Yeah,

1015
01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:03,540
I'm just trying to help brother
just thrown up to help things.

1016
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,290
Dave Jones: That I think is the
only there's a couple more tags

1017
01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:12,900
that a pod ping tag and a couple
more things like a tracker

1018
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,540
tight. There's a couple more
things. There's two of them that

1019
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:21,150
is that one that one that Alex
needs? Or one or two that Alex

1020
01:06:21,150 --> 01:06:23,160
needs to make the peer tube
stuff work?

1021
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:25,680
Adam Curry: Really close, right?
He said he's very close to

1022
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,310
having peer feeds with every
value block everything all in?

1023
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:33,300
Dave Jones: Yeah, yep. Yep, yep.
Yep, yep, yep. Yep, yep. And

1024
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:39,660
then the, the chat tag, I think
we can boot that to face seven.

1025
01:06:40,290 --> 01:06:42,690
Just to make sure that we're not
getting too much on our plate

1026
01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:43,590
here. And we got to

1027
01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:45,870
Adam Curry: be able to be need
to be able to start up the

1028
01:06:45,870 --> 01:06:46,800
actual chat.

1029
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,980
Dave Jones: Before. That's a
big. Yeah. Thanks for Thanks for

1030
01:06:52,980 --> 01:06:53,340
Nika.

1031
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:56,040
Adam Curry: Well, not Well, hold
on a sec. Let me just think

1032
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,540
about this for a moment, because
we have all these lit podcast

1033
01:07:00,540 --> 01:07:05,310
apps firing up now, which is,
and I'm pretty sure one or two

1034
01:07:05,310 --> 01:07:10,890
of them are going to want to
offer some kind of stream to

1035
01:07:10,890 --> 01:07:15,540
podcasters some kind of service,
or at least something. So we may

1036
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:20,400
see more podcasts going lit. So
it's, it's kind of a missing

1037
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,280
piece. It's okay, where do they
implement their chat?

1038
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:28,110
Dave Jones: So the idea here,
that yeah, the idea here is that

1039
01:07:28,140 --> 01:07:31,860
the way this is gonna work
initially, I mean, I'm gonna get

1040
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:37,290
something out the door. That
that just works as as a web

1041
01:07:37,290 --> 01:07:42,870
based chat first, and then we'll
pull the other pieces in. So the

1042
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:45,900
idea here, and this is the part
I haven't finished yet for us.

1043
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:48,600
And why I forgot to do the chat
at the beginning of the show,

1044
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,800
was because what the way that
should function is that when you

1045
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,900
push the live pod ping
notification through the Steven

1046
01:07:57,900 --> 01:08:01,110
beach magic web should fire up
the chat automatically should

1047
01:08:01,110 --> 01:08:02,310
spin up a new chat,

1048
01:08:02,339 --> 01:08:03,449
Adam Curry: beautify, and it
will

1049
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,170
Dave Jones: know how to end tag
it will stop it.

1050
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,850
Adam Curry: Right, but it's it
so but but sovereign feeds are

1051
01:08:14,850 --> 01:08:18,120
your feed needs to know what the
URL is of that chat. So is that

1052
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,020
predetermined?

1053
01:08:19,620 --> 01:08:21,960
Dave Jones: Well, me whelming.
It all happens that the feed

1054
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,620
comes through the web. And the
feed says this is what it should

1055
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:30,450
be. It sticks it in there. Oh,
sexy. You should shove it in

1056
01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:30,810
there.

1057
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:37,530
Adam Curry: My wife's not here
to tell us

1058
01:08:37,529 --> 01:08:38,609
Dave Jones: after school
specials.

1059
01:08:39,330 --> 01:08:42,540
Adam Curry: Yes, it is. Cool.

1060
01:08:42,569 --> 01:08:44,639
Dave Jones: Yeah. Does that mean
I think we're I think we're

1061
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,160
Adam Curry: doing good. I'm very
excited about this next about

1062
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,440
phase six. There's a lot of cool
stuff in there.

1063
01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:52,470
Dave Jones: In a pod Pain Tag,
too. There's there's a popping

1064
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:53,790
tag. Brian's been needing that.

1065
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:55,980
Adam Curry: Oh, what's the
what's the pod pink tag?

1066
01:08:57,390 --> 01:09:01,470
Dave Jones: Just it's the it
just tells the world whether or

1067
01:09:01,470 --> 01:09:03,420
not this face is, is

1068
01:09:03,450 --> 01:09:06,480
Adam Curry: Oh, support. Okay,
got it. Got it. Yeah, cool.

1069
01:09:07,020 --> 01:09:09,570
Dave Jones: No way, you know, it
gives you a clue as to how to

1070
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:16,620
how to aggregate it. How to hit
it. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So if

1071
01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:20,220
there's any, but I guess it's
four. So feedback would be

1072
01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:27,030
helpful on except guests if we
can kind of come to a decision

1073
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:32,250
or if we want to have that it's
just a flag of a of a flags tag.

1074
01:09:32,670 --> 01:09:38,820
And then update frequency, if
anybody has any more input on

1075
01:09:38,820 --> 01:09:43,380
that. That was pretty
straightforward. And I think

1076
01:09:43,380 --> 01:09:45,990
other than that, I think we're
in pretty good shape when it

1077
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:47,520
comes to coming up on June one.

1078
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,680
Adam Curry: How are we in three
are we in year three? Are we

1079
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:57,960
close to three years? August
feels? Yeah. Wow, man, what a

1080
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:04,770
great project. So much Fun. No,
I love this. So much fun. I'm

1081
01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:09,450
not making any money. It's
great. Sure,

1082
01:10:09,599 --> 01:10:13,679
Dave Jones: yeah. I mean, I'm
trying to we're we're about to

1083
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:16,409
make less money because I get to
upgrade the database I tried

1084
01:10:16,409 --> 01:10:17,729
last weekend but failed.

1085
01:10:17,940 --> 01:10:20,160
Adam Curry: Oh, what do you mean
you failed just for the upgrade

1086
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:20,820
didn't work.

1087
01:10:21,930 --> 01:10:25,230
Dave Jones: I mean, I was, I was
mostly getting my bearings

1088
01:10:25,230 --> 01:10:28,830
straight. I thought, am I
getting an easy win now? Not so

1089
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:29,070
much.

1090
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:32,730
Adam Curry: No shortcuts? No.
database development.

1091
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,650
Dave Jones: So the way I did it
before was like, you know, it's

1092
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:41,520
like Indiana Jones with the he's
trying to steal the golden

1093
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:44,310
thing. And he has to have the
bag of sands because he you

1094
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:47,370
know, he's had to like, replace
it swiftly. Oh, yeah. So the

1095
01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:50,100
weight TAS aren't Yeah, so the
weight stays. That's basically

1096
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,450
what's one trying to do with the
database.

1097
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,200
Adam Curry: And the database
went, Hey, man, that sand? No,

1098
01:10:55,230 --> 01:10:55,770
yes. Like,

1099
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:57,570
Dave Jones: no, it's like if you
man, you're not doing this.

1100
01:10:57,750 --> 01:11:00,900
Adam Curry: I feel sorry. No, I
was gonna say I was gonna switch

1101
01:11:00,900 --> 01:11:04,140
topics and say how I think you
and I both feel a little bit

1102
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:04,680
dirty.

1103
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,250
Dave Jones: Do I Do I feel
dirty?

1104
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,590
Adam Curry: Yeah. Because
because of our light phone,

1105
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:11,730
podcast action.

1106
01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:15,360
Dave Jones: Yeah, you wanna you
want to do you want to go down

1107
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:16,860
the LifeFone trail here

1108
01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:19,770
Adam Curry: a moment? You know,
Dave and I both decided what was

1109
01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:22,380
that last week? Just a week ago.

1110
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,130
Dave Jones: Two weeks ago, I got
mine Monday of this week.

1111
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,040
Adam Curry: I got mine on
Saturday for some reason. We

1112
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:36,510
both ordered a light phone too.
And the whole idea is to not be

1113
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:40,980
taken the smartphone everywhere.
And this white phone to that

1114
01:11:41,070 --> 01:11:45,570
it's the funniest product. I
mean, it's chicks dig it man,

1115
01:11:45,570 --> 01:11:47,940
you put this on the table in a
restaurant people like what is

1116
01:11:47,940 --> 01:11:53,730
that? Is that a Palm Pilot which
kind of doesn't wreck kind of

1117
01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:59,100
resembles a palm pilot. And it
does some very simple things.

1118
01:11:59,490 --> 01:12:04,290
Phone calls, text messages,
alarm calendar notes, which

1119
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:09,600
includes the voice recording
dictation, I love that. Music

1120
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:15,120
podcast, hotspot calculator, and
directions which is surprisingly

1121
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:19,560
good. And it has a kind of like
a Kindle screen E Ink screen.

1122
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:26,610
And I have to say I'm really
enjoying it. I take it

1123
01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:30,420
everywhere on this podcast. I
take it everywhere when I'm out

1124
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:35,100
of the house and I leave the
graph you know is kind of it's

1125
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:38,640
in the holder. And and I've got
computers everywhere. So the

1126
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,910
only other like instant thing
people might need me for would

1127
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:46,380
be signal which I have on the
computer. That's it and then you

1128
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:51,750
know, email and you know and
texting it has a voice to text

1129
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:54,570
option which is phenomenally
good, even though it gives you

1130
01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:59,880
an onscreen QWERTY keyboard. And
I don't know where this where

1131
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:03,150
this voice to text is being
done. I'm sure it's not on the

1132
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:04,170
device itself.

1133
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,190
Dave Jones: I can tell you it is
the talk to text on this thing

1134
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:10,890
is better than an iPhone. It is
outrageous.

1135
01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:13,290
Adam Curry: Although it does a
lot of periods when I'm not

1136
01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:15,390
expecting it to. I'm used

1137
01:13:15,390 --> 01:13:17,340
Dave Jones: to say that's the
thing I'm having to get used to

1138
01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:20,370
is I like on the iPhone when I
talk to text I have to you have

1139
01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:21,960
to say like period.

1140
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:25,380
Adam Curry: Exclamation mark.
No, no, that's not what I meant.

1141
01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:29,130
Yeah, it actually go. Boy, this
is really cool. Then it'll add

1142
01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:30,180
an exclamation mark.

1143
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:33,840
Dave Jones: Or if I say hey, are
you using the light phone today?

1144
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,210
It'll like hear your tone or
something. But you have no

1145
01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:37,140
question mark.

1146
01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:39,030
Adam Curry: I have to
exaggerate. Are you using the

1147
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:42,930
light phone today? You know,
yeah, yeah. I find a lot of

1148
01:13:42,930 --> 01:13:46,140
backspacing and adding that in?
And

1149
01:13:46,169 --> 01:13:47,789
Dave Jones: I mean, tell me
Yeah, give me your Give me your

1150
01:13:47,819 --> 01:13:48,959
journey this week has

1151
01:13:49,169 --> 01:13:52,829
Adam Curry: like, um, was it's
been surprisingly good. It turns

1152
01:13:52,829 --> 01:13:56,609
out I do a lot more text, SMS
text messaging with people. I'm

1153
01:13:56,609 --> 01:13:59,939
already a green bubble on
everybody's phone. So they know

1154
01:13:59,939 --> 01:14:05,129
I'm a loser. I'm the I'm not an
iPhone guy. And so there was not

1155
01:14:05,129 --> 01:14:08,639
much of a switch. This thing
will show you the emojis of man.

1156
01:14:08,639 --> 01:14:12,419
People use a lot of emojis. So
it shows you the emojis you

1157
01:14:12,419 --> 01:14:16,349
can't do emojis back so I'm just
bringing making emoticons cool

1158
01:14:16,349 --> 01:14:20,279
again. And be like, Wow, that's
cool. You sent me a homer

1159
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:22,169
simpson which I'm like, I
immediately sent that to my

1160
01:14:22,169 --> 01:14:28,799
boys. Look at this. Do that do
that with your emoji sucker. And

1161
01:14:28,799 --> 01:14:34,109
it does group text really well.
So that's an ad but my whole

1162
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,979
life has changed. Because I'm
walking the dog now I'd always

1163
01:14:37,979 --> 01:14:41,489
have my phone with me. And if
someone sent me a text I'd look

1164
01:14:41,489 --> 01:14:44,159
at it and then I'd go oh, what's
the price of Bitcoin? What's the

1165
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:47,129
emails and then you know the
dogs look at me like I take a

1166
01:14:47,129 --> 01:14:52,469
ship man. What are you doing?
Like stop that. Now the only the

1167
01:14:52,469 --> 01:14:54,899
podcast player it has on there
which you manage from a

1168
01:14:54,899 --> 01:14:59,969
dashboard, a website, which is
clearly not looking up the puck

1169
01:14:59,999 --> 01:15:07,649
has index of sadly because,
well, we can add a URL feed. So

1170
01:15:07,649 --> 01:15:10,889
I feel dirty because I was
listening to mere mortals. And I

1171
01:15:10,889 --> 01:15:13,919
was outside and I was in the car
and I was listening on this

1172
01:15:13,919 --> 01:15:17,669
thing. And I know I'm not
streaming any any SATs, and this

1173
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:21,269
is where I felt I felt bad. So I
came. So I came back, I

1174
01:15:21,269 --> 01:15:26,879
immediately sent 77 777 to
Cochran. I listened to the whole

1175
01:15:26,879 --> 01:15:31,349
interview, so I don't know what
I owe you. But here it is. And

1176
01:15:31,349 --> 01:15:33,569
that's the only thing that I
don't feel good about. But

1177
01:15:33,569 --> 01:15:39,179
otherwise, I kind of love you
and I have less contact even. We

1178
01:15:39,179 --> 01:15:41,399
do, which is okay, I guess.

1179
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:46,920
Dave Jones: It's Well, the thing
is, it's funny, so many. My

1180
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,310
coworker asked me days, how's
the light phone thing doing in

1181
01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:53,550
my son, my son the other day?
He's like, what is that? As is

1182
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:57,360
my new phone? He's like, why did
you do that? Yeah. I was like,

1183
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:02,460
wrong with you. Yeah, exactly.
So I was I would tell my co

1184
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:06,360
workers, like, you know, you
really can't. It's not you can't

1185
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:12,210
do this is not like a is this
phone good? Type answer. Because

1186
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,090
you're not when you buy this
phone. You're not buying just a

1187
01:16:15,090 --> 01:16:17,460
phone you're buying. You're
having, you're choosing a

1188
01:16:17,460 --> 01:16:23,550
lifestyle. Correct. It's more is
way more involved than just a

1189
01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:28,170
phone because, man, the
smartphone addiction.

1190
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:33,450
Adam Curry: It's, it's subtle,
and it's real. It is. It is so

1191
01:16:33,450 --> 01:16:35,670
real. You almost had 100% I
heard it.

1192
01:16:35,670 --> 01:16:36,240
Dave Jones: Do you see how

1193
01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:40,500
Adam Curry: it's very, very,
very proud of you, Dave Jones,

1194
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:41,160
yes, good.

1195
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:48,240
Dave Jones: The, the the sort of
the subtlety of it is what gets

1196
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,480
you so I gotta I gotta I got a
couple of examples, if you will

1197
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:52,050
indulge me

1198
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,720
Adam Curry: Oh, no, of course,
because I meant to say one

1199
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,140
thing. What, what I noticed is
you go out to dinner with a

1200
01:16:58,140 --> 01:17:02,820
couple people, we have friends
we go out to dinner. And that a

1201
01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:05,340
certain point, you notice
everyone's on their phone, you

1202
01:17:05,340 --> 01:17:09,600
but you're looking at it because
you got nothing to look at. And

1203
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,830
that's when it becomes Whoa,
look at all this, you know. And

1204
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:16,440
then you know, you can just look
at them and just observe what

1205
01:17:16,440 --> 01:17:19,890
they're doing. It's, it gave me
kind of a powerful feeling.

1206
01:17:20,970 --> 01:17:22,890
Dave Jones: You feel like you're
in control?

1207
01:17:23,310 --> 01:17:24,060
Adam Curry: Yes.

1208
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:32,610
Dave Jones: of yourself. So
here's an example. So I went so

1209
01:17:33,150 --> 01:17:36,360
my routine when I get to the
office every morning is I bring

1210
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:39,570
a bring a thorough thermal
there's not a thermos like a

1211
01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:44,400
Hydro Flask or whatever you call
those things. Think will thermos

1212
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,610
looking thing and bring it in
and it has some milk in it. So

1213
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:49,770
and then I go on and make a pot
of coffee, and I fill up my

1214
01:17:49,770 --> 01:17:54,390
thermos with the coffee. And
then I just pour coffee for

1215
01:17:54,390 --> 01:18:00,090
myself out of that for a while.
So I look at my look at my car

1216
01:18:00,090 --> 01:18:02,640
insurance. We had gotten that
the other day. I'm like, I'll

1217
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,790
just I'll look at this when I
get to the office. And so I'm

1218
01:18:05,790 --> 01:18:08,700
like, Okay, well I need to log
into the portal I'm gonna car

1219
01:18:08,700 --> 01:18:12,600
insurance why website. So I
grabbed my thermos, I go into

1220
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,830
the break, start to hit into the
break room to fix my coffee. And

1221
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:20,520
instinctively or, like reach for
the iPhone, because I'm like,

1222
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,890
Okay, I'm going to check my
insurance and all this stuff on

1223
01:18:22,890 --> 01:18:26,670
the phone as I go. While I'm
waiting for the coffee to brew,

1224
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:28,590
because it takes like seven or
eight minutes.

1225
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:31,920
Adam Curry: Instead of enjoying
the process of brewing coffee.

1226
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,270
Dave Jones: It's in a froze.
It's like, my mind didn't know.

1227
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:44,100
It's like this. If I can't do
two things at the same time. I

1228
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,660
didn't know what to do at all.

1229
01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:47,790
Adam Curry: You would feel
uncomfortable. I should be doing

1230
01:18:47,820 --> 01:18:50,610
Yeah, I wish it Yeah, I know. I
know the feeling. I'm already

1231
01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:52,680
past that stage. And what real
quick for me.

1232
01:18:53,190 --> 01:18:56,490
Dave Jones: Me too. I am doing
so. I was like, You know what,

1233
01:18:56,490 --> 01:18:59,310
Dave? That's like I snapped out
of it. After about about five or

1234
01:18:59,310 --> 01:19:01,890
six seconds. I was like, hey,
you know what, idiot you can

1235
01:19:01,890 --> 01:19:03,000
just go make coffee.

1236
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:06,270
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

1237
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,580
Dave Jones: So I did I just went
in there and make coffee and I

1238
01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:11,250
don't know. I'm like I just
thought about other stuff. I

1239
01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:12,210
don't know what I did.

1240
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,680
Adam Curry: I mean, the we
talked about kid being you know,

1241
01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:22,440
attention deficit disorder
disabled. Adult deficit

1242
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:26,760
hyperactive disorder. I mean,
it's all the phones all the

1243
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,930
phone and I just look at my
phone. And what do I have here?

1244
01:19:30,930 --> 01:19:35,010
I've got I've got but my my car
is telling me about us unlocked.

1245
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:39,810
I've got the bitcoin price of
God notifications on signal and

1246
01:19:39,810 --> 01:19:45,810
on telegram and our WhatsApp and
my email. And I'm like, no, no.

1247
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:52,020
And I and I yeah, I feel much
much better now. I the hotspot

1248
01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:55,860
on the light phone is great,
because i i fairly used it and I

1249
01:19:55,860 --> 01:20:00,630
feel like when I'm when I'm in
the car and I'm driving I want

1250
01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:04,740
to I want to have my modern
podcast app, I really do. So I

1251
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:07,680
can just, but I can just throw
that in this in the side of the

1252
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,230
door and not look at it. And
it's not going to do anything

1253
01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:12,900
else. But just play the podcast.
For me, I feel this is

1254
01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:15,720
important. And so I use the
hotspot for that. So I'll be

1255
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,430
sending SATs. And I've advanced
enough out of the addiction that

1256
01:20:20,430 --> 01:20:25,530
I can do that I'm not, I'm not
grabbing for this thing. So I

1257
01:20:25,530 --> 01:20:28,590
think it's good. But it'd be
great if we could just add on

1258
01:20:28,590 --> 01:20:31,410
the back end, you know,
developers, I know it's almost

1259
01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:35,490
developing this thing. We just
add, first of all the 2.0 index

1260
01:20:35,490 --> 01:20:40,410
lookup Hello. And, and you're
connected to your Albea wallet

1261
01:20:40,410 --> 01:20:41,730
that should be possible people.

1262
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:48,120
Dave Jones: Yeah, the the
biggest showstopper for me, it's

1263
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,480
not it's not a showstopper I'm
in now I'm, I'm completely

1264
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:57,450
bought in. But I've got there's
one thing that I have got to

1265
01:20:57,450 --> 01:21:00,750
figure out a solution for it's
the two factor authentication,

1266
01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:06,240
Google, I mean, like rotating
code app, I have like 25 of

1267
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:10,350
those in my in my two factor
authentication app and right,

1268
01:21:10,620 --> 01:21:15,150
I've got to be like, so um, my
only, the thing I can think of

1269
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:16,920
right now is I'm going to have
like, I'm gonna have to get a

1270
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:22,080
second iPhone, like an old crap,
like, you know, the whole piece

1271
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,030
of crap when and leave it at the
office, I have

1272
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:28,740
Adam Curry: a vault Warden on my
on my, this is on the Start

1273
01:21:28,740 --> 01:21:34,620
nine. So I can just use Tor and
then bring that up on the

1274
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:38,490
computer. And it has a two
factor authentication in there.

1275
01:21:39,930 --> 01:21:42,090
Dave Jones: That's an idea just
a code generator.

1276
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,300
Adam Curry: Yes, does the code
generator so it's not fast, it's

1277
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:47,730
not like picking your phone pop
up. But at least you can bring

1278
01:21:47,730 --> 01:21:53,520
it up, bring it up over Tor. So
we know that man dash felt dash

1279
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:59,970
manhood is it's got the search
for it. So it's SSL secure. And

1280
01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:03,330
that is in fact one of the they
start nine says that's just

1281
01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:07,830
start with slow with getting off
stuff getting off of centralized

1282
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:11,940
stuff. And that's a good way to
go with with vault Ward and

1283
01:22:11,940 --> 01:22:15,030
running and use a bit warden.
You literally log in through

1284
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:20,130
Tor. And then you can create the
codes and you can authenticate

1285
01:22:20,130 --> 01:22:22,350
with it. So that's a way to do
it.

1286
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:27,300
Dave Jones: The battery life on
this thing is outrageous.

1287
01:22:27,330 --> 01:22:30,090
Adam Curry: Yeah. If you don't
use it for anything and yeah,

1288
01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:33,420
but even if they do, even if you
do it's surprising how long this

1289
01:22:33,420 --> 01:22:35,190
lasts, it really is quite long.

1290
01:22:35,490 --> 01:22:39,360
Dave Jones: Well, I turned on
the Bluetooth and because I use

1291
01:22:39,390 --> 01:22:44,610
Apple air pods that turned on
the Bluetooth. And the air pods

1292
01:22:44,610 --> 01:22:49,860
are. They do not work with this
thing. Whoa, really glitchy AF

1293
01:22:50,190 --> 01:22:53,490
Adam Curry: because I've got
I've got the cheapass beats

1294
01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:57,360
flex. Those work. Okay,
fantastic.

1295
01:22:57,780 --> 01:22:59,490
Dave Jones: Okay, well, I may
have to get those because they

1296
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,410
know that the air pods are
terrible

1297
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,870
Adam Curry: and they're cheap
and they're cheap. Is this a

1298
01:23:03,870 --> 01:23:07,440
native ad really, really see
Brooklyn? Really? The fact that

1299
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:10,080
we don't do advertising is the
reason why we can talk

1300
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,650
passionately about a product.
She you're selling assault me?

1301
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,090
Can I kick them out of the chat?

1302
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:18,780
Dave Jones: I paid $300 for
this. Yeah, really?

1303
01:23:18,810 --> 01:23:21,810
Adam Curry: 299 But I got the
case I paid extra for the case.

1304
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,240
Did you get the case I didn't
get the case. Now. It looks like

1305
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:29,430
a 3d printed thing. It wasn't
worth $20 or whatever. But But I

1306
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:31,590
ended up getting it and I'm
someone who dropped stuff.

1307
01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:37,350
Dave Jones: Man, it's no it's a
life changing experience it it

1308
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:43,530
really is. I mean, I take a walk
every day like 10 Twice a day at

1309
01:23:43,530 --> 01:23:48,930
10am and 3pm. I get up from my
desk take a walk around around

1310
01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:52,860
the the office area for a while
just to get stretch my legs get

1311
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:56,130
some exercise. And usually I
listened to a podcast while I'm

1312
01:23:56,130 --> 01:24:01,110
walking you just about 1015
minutes. And I just that just

1313
01:24:01,110 --> 01:24:05,760
didn't. Now in Elsa, you know I
had a chance to think about

1314
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:12,810
life. She has to think about the
namespace and some of the things

1315
01:24:12,810 --> 01:24:15,840
we're doing. And that's one of
the reasons why we get added a

1316
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,510
lot of commits to the to the
namespace repos. Yeah, you

1317
01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:20,550
Adam Curry: go to that I think
about it. I mean, ever since I

1318
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:23,580
stopped smoking in November, I
mean, tobacco weed and

1319
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:26,610
everything. I've been very
productive myself. Life

1320
01:24:26,610 --> 01:24:31,350
changing. more thing we need to
talk about, because it came up

1321
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:33,030
on the social podcaster

1322
01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:36,570
Dave Jones: Oh, the nostre
thing. Yeah.

1323
01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:40,860
Adam Curry: Which which I'm
looking at it and I kind of want

1324
01:24:40,860 --> 01:24:45,540
to stop it in its tracks. In a
way I hate stopping development.

1325
01:24:45,540 --> 01:24:51,690
But all I can see is RSS is old
fashioned. And I just want to

1326
01:24:51,690 --> 01:24:54,840
save you it's not going to work.
If you're trying to build

1327
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:59,190
something that is going to
replace RSS. There's a long line

1328
01:24:59,190 --> 01:25:03,510
of corpses. Yeah, you got to be
careful with that. I mean, I

1329
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:06,900
love the idea that people want
to do something with podcasting,

1330
01:25:07,230 --> 01:25:10,530
and agnostic, but I just don't
see the point.

1331
01:25:11,639 --> 01:25:14,789
Dave Jones: I don't either if
you if you build it, and you

1332
01:25:14,789 --> 01:25:18,959
have, I don't know, 100 people
use it. Hey, great, great. Yeah,

1333
01:25:19,049 --> 01:25:22,829
yeah, good for you. But, but if
you're expecting to make just

1334
01:25:22,829 --> 01:25:25,049
the, I guess the warning is if
you're expecting to make a huge

1335
01:25:25,049 --> 01:25:29,369
dent in podcasting is not
because 90% of podcasters go

1336
01:25:29,369 --> 01:25:32,579
through a podcast host and that
they're not gonna do that.

1337
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:35,700
Adam Curry: Now, but they but
that comes in your boat has to

1338
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:39,720
be censored, censorship
resistant, like, this is kind of

1339
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:40,980
what we're already doing.

1340
01:25:41,639 --> 01:25:43,979
Dave Jones: There's not really a
censorship problem in podcasting

1341
01:25:43,979 --> 01:25:47,429
anymore, anyway, no, no, there
is actually no, I mean, like

1342
01:25:47,459 --> 01:25:51,509
this. It's just not a thing. And
I've been researching this news,

1343
01:25:51,509 --> 01:25:52,049
Gord

1344
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,210
Adam Curry: Oh, that's
hilarious, I have a good take on

1345
01:25:54,210 --> 01:25:57,870
this or a different take from
everybody. You want to go play

1346
01:25:57,870 --> 01:26:00,360
once you explain what it is
first, and then what your what

1347
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:04,740
your exploration has, has
resulted in,

1348
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:12,000
Dave Jones: it's a way to it's a
way to score content, podcasts,

1349
01:26:12,030 --> 01:26:15,630
websites, based on a rating
system that takes these

1350
01:26:15,630 --> 01:26:18,690
different credit these these
nine different criteria points

1351
01:26:18,690 --> 01:26:25,650
in it. And it's done by a bunch
of a bunch of on staff, people

1352
01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:28,830
who they say are trained or
journalistically trained is the

1353
01:26:28,830 --> 01:26:32,670
terminology they use. So it's
basically it's it's like a, it's

1354
01:26:32,670 --> 01:26:36,810
like a fact checker Snopes type
thing, but they apply score to

1355
01:26:36,810 --> 01:26:40,050
your to your content. So it
really it looks like the

1356
01:26:40,050 --> 01:26:42,570
ultimate thing is so that brands
feel safe.

1357
01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:46,830
Adam Curry: So I've been hearing
a lot about this, I listened to

1358
01:26:46,830 --> 01:26:50,610
Todd and Rob talk about I
listened to Dave Jackson and

1359
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:57,210
Daniel J. Lewis talk about it on
their podcast, I listened of

1360
01:26:57,210 --> 01:27:02,340
course to the the original
source of the news. Pod news,

1361
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:08,940
pod news, weekly review. This is
nothing more than the podcasts

1362
01:27:08,940 --> 01:27:14,790
industrial complex eating
itself. This is to that two

1363
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:19,470
things, one, purely political,
purely political, which, you

1364
01:27:19,470 --> 01:27:23,490
know, go ahead, you'll love it.
These tools always get used

1365
01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:27,450
against you, in the long run, no
one wins in that game. But it's

1366
01:27:27,450 --> 01:27:32,340
also to eat up as much ad money
as possible scrim those guys and

1367
01:27:32,340 --> 01:27:35,670
if we have to, we can even start
saying oh, you know, to check

1368
01:27:35,670 --> 01:27:38,310
these guys, I shouldn't have a
good rating and get rid of them.

1369
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:43,620
It's all too for to get as much
of the ad money which I hear is

1370
01:27:43,620 --> 01:27:48,240
$2 billion as much of the ad
money as possible. And so it's

1371
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:55,950
this has no bearing on anybody
except the top 50 News quote

1372
01:27:55,950 --> 01:28:00,570
unquote, opinion podcasts to it,
and I don't and I still don't

1373
01:28:00,570 --> 01:28:03,690
know where all this money is.
I'm still trying to find them

1374
01:28:03,690 --> 01:28:08,100
still trying to find $1.8
billion. Okay. I'm sure.

1375
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,130
Dave Jones: I listened to an
interview by the founder by one

1376
01:28:11,130 --> 01:28:14,880
of the founders, the guy that
used to be the Wall Street

1377
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:19,260
Journal and he explained it he
said I think I think the the

1378
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:22,470
reasoning there went yes,
they're like there's there's the

1379
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:25,050
political angle and then there
but they're real money play

1380
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:30,840
there is okay, there's brands
the like you said before brands

1381
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:36,240
are that like, it's like garlic
and crosses controversy. Yes.

1382
01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:40,050
And they don't want to be
anywhere near it. And so he

1383
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,050
here's how he described it, I
wish I clipped it but I'm not

1384
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:48,600
I'm not done I've got some more
to listen to. He described it as

1385
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:53,970
okay, there's content out there
that if you transcribe it and

1386
01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:59,850
look at the words they use it's
scary words and his in his turn

1387
01:28:59,850 --> 01:29:06,420
in his words, he said things
like, like gay. So he's like, so

1388
01:29:06,420 --> 01:29:11,190
that is that is say that is
content that you may not want to

1389
01:29:11,190 --> 01:29:16,380
buy ads against, because it
could be controversial, but they

1390
01:29:16,380 --> 01:29:19,230
go in and do the work to find
out if it actually is

1391
01:29:19,230 --> 01:29:23,670
controversial, so that you're
not restricted based purely on

1392
01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:28,110
keywords. So they they figure
all this stuff out and say okay,

1393
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:31,440
this has some keywords in it
that may scare you off, but

1394
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:34,770
we're saying that this is safe
to advertise against so

1395
01:29:34,770 --> 01:29:39,510
therefore, it's a play it's a
pure advertising money play to

1396
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:43,290
get more ad dollars into into
the market against it against

1397
01:29:43,290 --> 01:29:47,610
content that other deters
otherwise deemed off. Off Limits

1398
01:29:47,670 --> 01:29:51,930
Adam Curry: and I'll just have
you know that in 2006, we had

1399
01:29:51,930 --> 01:29:56,730
the term brand safe and brand
suitable already with with with

1400
01:29:56,730 --> 01:30:00,120
POD show. This is nothing new
but this is the thing that's I

1401
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,880
used to get really frustrated, I
don't get frustrated over

1402
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,800
anymore because I'm just like,
Okay, I'm just sit back and

1403
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,490
well, I know how it ends. I
wrote this movie, I starred in

1404
01:30:08,490 --> 01:30:13,650
it. I produced it. I just I did
distribution. I did the, you

1405
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:17,850
know, the gambit. I did the
press tour for it. I've been

1406
01:30:17,850 --> 01:30:22,590
here I have the T shirts,
hoodies, mugs. This is we're

1407
01:30:22,590 --> 01:30:26,250
going through something all over
again. And then when I hear

1408
01:30:26,250 --> 01:30:29,730
people in the in the closed
podcasting business of the

1409
01:30:29,730 --> 01:30:33,960
podcast industrial complex, say,
Well, this is all new, you know,

1410
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:39,600
this is such a new medium bull
shit. It's 20 years old people.

1411
01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:43,020
Nothing's going to change.
You're just new to the game.

1412
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:49,500
It's the same thing. It's just
what happened to podcasting. The

1413
01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:52,800
minute social media networks
came out and podcasting was you

1414
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:57,960
know, page 13 below the fold.
And now half of you are lying,

1415
01:30:57,990 --> 01:31:02,520
and half of you are just
ignorant. And the lying part is

1416
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,970
what kind of gets me? Yeah, I
love companies. We asked what

1417
01:31:05,970 --> 01:31:08,550
we're doing. Yeah, we're, we
love producing content,

1418
01:31:08,730 --> 01:31:12,510
sometimes just for the creative
art of it bullshit. Yes. Yeah.

1419
01:31:12,510 --> 01:31:15,780
Right. Well, you know, and then
we have, yes, we have, of

1420
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:18,480
course, our brand business. No,
that is your business. You

1421
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:23,130
create podcasts for brands, you
create podcasts around brands is

1422
01:31:23,130 --> 01:31:25,560
nothing different than soap
operas that started around a

1423
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,730
soap brand. This has been done
over and over and over again.

1424
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:34,260
And what's sad is that we
eventually get to the point

1425
01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:38,760
where we start calling the way
it used to work open podcasting,

1426
01:31:38,970 --> 01:31:43,260
and then call YouTube videos
podcasting without an RSS feed,

1427
01:31:43,470 --> 01:31:47,580
and get all excited about it.
It's pathetic, it doesn't it

1428
01:31:47,580 --> 01:31:51,750
won't happen is you know, we
will be talking about this and

1429
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:54,960
10 years from now. It'll be the
same thing.

1430
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:57,780
Dave Jones: And the end and
those guard people also have an

1431
01:31:57,780 --> 01:31:59,130
intelligence wing.

1432
01:31:59,460 --> 01:32:03,180
Adam Curry: I'm sure they do.
Intelligence, but you know, they

1433
01:32:03,180 --> 01:32:06,540
have a product whales as a part
of this really, the wiki pedia

1434
01:32:06,540 --> 01:32:10,170
guy. Okay, well, now how does
how good is Wikipedia when it

1435
01:32:10,170 --> 01:32:11,970
comes to accuracy?

1436
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:15,630
Dave Jones: They just look at my
Oh,

1437
01:32:15,810 --> 01:32:19,260
Adam Curry: look at my own
Wikipedia page. Which I'm not

1438
01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:21,750
allowed to change myself. You
know, I'm an expert on all

1439
01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:22,680
things. Adam curry.

1440
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:26,460
Dave Jones: You You are the
expert about about yourself. Now

1441
01:32:26,460 --> 01:32:26,790
I've gotten

1442
01:32:26,850 --> 01:32:30,420
Adam Curry: in deep trouble for
changing a wiki page. Joe does

1443
01:32:30,420 --> 01:32:34,710
John Battelle Oh, he's also an
advisor, Wired magazine. This is

1444
01:32:34,710 --> 01:32:36,090
a jerk off session.

1445
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,540
Dave Jones: There's a there's a
Dutch guy in there too. Which

1446
01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:47,670
runs with what's up guest this
last days. There's it's like

1447
01:32:47,670 --> 01:32:50,100
it's like an art collector, but
he's also an investor.

1448
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:57,570
Adam Curry: Let me see. Are
investors okay? Is he an

1449
01:32:57,570 --> 01:33:02,220
investor or is he Oh, the Knight
Foundation? Okay, interesting.

1450
01:33:02,940 --> 01:33:04,170
Oh, egg from ultra low.

1451
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:09,120
Dave Jones: Yeah. Is that? Why
is it? Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

1452
01:33:09,420 --> 01:33:11,160
Yeah. That was the thing you
just said.

1453
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,770
Adam Curry: I found. Excellent.
Let's see who he is. I'm not

1454
01:33:13,770 --> 01:33:14,910
familiar with him. He's like

1455
01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:20,100
Dave Jones: Bartlett, but he's a
he's a partner in some. Some

1456
01:33:20,340 --> 01:33:23,130
firm, like a investment firm.

1457
01:33:23,790 --> 01:33:26,880
Adam Curry: Oh, these are very
wealthy people. Yeah, these are

1458
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,120
very, very wealthy people,
though. They have they have

1459
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:34,110
finance halls arrived or they've
got very, very important

1460
01:33:34,110 --> 01:33:35,670
paintings in their collection.
Okay.

1461
01:33:36,270 --> 01:33:39,660
Dave Jones: Yeah. Well, you've
lightweights. Yeah, it

1462
01:33:39,660 --> 01:33:42,120
Adam Curry: was like an NPR
board in a way, which is fine.

1463
01:33:42,180 --> 01:33:45,270
It's just they're not going to
be looking at your podcast and

1464
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:47,370
not they're not interested in
that they're interested in

1465
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:52,170
Megyn. Kelly, they're interested
in the Tucker Carlson. They're

1466
01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:56,670
interested in American politics.
It's stupid. He's stupid. Yeah.

1467
01:33:56,670 --> 01:33:58,830
And we've wasted enough. We've
wasted enough time on this

1468
01:33:58,830 --> 01:34:02,490
ourselves. Agree, but but I just
need to say, look at the

1469
01:34:02,490 --> 01:34:05,880
history. We've been through
this. We've been through this.

1470
01:34:06,330 --> 01:34:10,890
So many times we've been through
this cycle. Advertising doesn't

1471
01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:14,280
work well, on podcasting. It
just doesn't. I mean, it does if

1472
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:19,590
you're building brand specific
or, you know, certain types of

1473
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:23,130
content, but it's not for, you
know, a couple couple people and

1474
01:34:23,130 --> 01:34:26,580
a microphone and chatting about
some stuff. Just doesn't work

1475
01:34:26,580 --> 01:34:33,690
well for it. We have 13,313
value for value enabled podcast

1476
01:34:33,690 --> 01:34:38,370
today. That's not beautiful.
Yeah, it's not bad. Shall we

1477
01:34:38,370 --> 01:34:40,590
thank a few people. Mr. Jones.

1478
01:34:41,070 --> 01:34:42,330
Dave Jones: I would love to
thank people.

1479
01:34:42,420 --> 01:34:44,250
Adam Curry: Let me start with
some of the booths that have

1480
01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:47,160
been coming in. During this last
episode. We just received one

1481
01:34:47,190 --> 01:34:51,900
from Martin, known of pod friend
and pod friend too, and he sends

1482
01:34:51,900 --> 01:34:55,320
another 5000 SATs saying time to
walk the dog will listen to the

1483
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,890
last part of the show tomorrow
while mowing the lawn. Just

1484
01:34:58,890 --> 01:35:01,530
wanted to give a shout out to
this amazing community I love

1485
01:35:01,530 --> 01:35:05,310
working with curio caster pod
station pod verse Alex Bryan and

1486
01:35:05,310 --> 01:35:09,510
so many other great minds. And
we agree Martin we love working

1487
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:21,150
with you. Net Ned 6666 Get gay
for podcasting 2.0 All right Ned

1488
01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:28,200
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spelling thing. massive thank
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testers helping out these past
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1492
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:41,220
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01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:56,700
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1497
01:35:56,700 --> 01:36:03,450
of course lit shout out to 100%
Retro for making building the

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01:36:03,450 --> 01:36:06,150
live feature incredibly
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1499
01:36:06,150 --> 01:36:11,670
message just came in 7777 from
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01:36:14,580 --> 01:36:23,160
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1502
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didn't mean almost meant also to
another 40 shots next correct

1503
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:32,790
here's correcting yours with
that. I love that. Sam Sathi

1504
01:36:33,090 --> 01:36:35,460
101010 Yeah baby

1505
01:36:35,490 --> 01:36:40,260
Unknown: oh Sakala 20 is Blaze
only Impala

1506
01:36:40,290 --> 01:36:43,860
Adam Curry: Hello he says I have
already added except guests try

1507
01:36:43,860 --> 01:36:46,440
to keep up with you on pod rolls
excited for the pod pig

1508
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:51,990
notification any updates on
these tags podcast colon gateway

1509
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:56,430
podcast popular the podcast
verification to replace podcast

1510
01:36:56,550 --> 01:37:00,810
TX T and to claim a podcast with
Oh auth light but waiting on Tom

1511
01:37:00,810 --> 01:37:04,140
Rossi and or GitHub community
for final feedback and of course

1512
01:37:04,290 --> 01:37:07,380
the pod stage blessing to
proceed love the show

1513
01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:13,560
Dave Jones: as allies first
those first few negative Don't

1514
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,560
Don't waste your time on those
we haven't there's been no

1515
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:22,710
consensus around those at all TX
T for sure. Obviously yeah the

1516
01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:27,630
the popular one and don't don't
don't waste time on this. Okay

1517
01:37:27,630 --> 01:37:30,030
we got to we got no we got
nothing on those but by the way

1518
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:34,380
it Sam I need access to pod fans
I still can get zero ditto ditto

1519
01:37:34,380 --> 01:37:38,760
Ditto. Nina count brother Chad
Emma David podcast index dot

1520
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,290
Oradour Chad F

1521
01:37:40,290 --> 01:37:42,870
Adam Curry: 3333 says Won't
somebody please think of the

1522
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:43,470
children?

1523
01:37:45,390 --> 01:37:47,310
Dave Jones: I will buy them
right now.

1524
01:37:48,150 --> 01:37:50,250
Adam Curry: We've had a jingle
for that. Yeah, this is it

1525
01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:56,040
here we go.

1526
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,320
Dave Jones: That's what I do now
that have the lights on. I just

1527
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:58,650
think with the

1528
01:37:58,980 --> 01:38:01,080
Adam Curry: children all day
long. There's our boost from

1529
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:05,400
Darren Oh 100,001 We thanked him
for that. Steven B. Short Row

1530
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,430
sticks 1111 Tell Fletcher to
look at the comments for this

1531
01:38:08,430 --> 01:38:11,610
episode I attached a link to the
music side project studio that

1532
01:38:11,610 --> 01:38:15,000
lets him self host his own music
I'm also available for any help

1533
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,220
that's needed and I put those
links in the show notes as well.

1534
01:38:17,580 --> 01:38:21,840
Fletcher with the boost boost
808 Sunday May 28 live after no

1535
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,040
agenda it's a promo will be a
music jams and poetry slams with

1536
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:30,630
me Karen Blaney. I'm asking for
help posting the music as a pod

1537
01:38:31,020 --> 01:38:36,390
podcast 2.0 compliant album Ah,
okay. Got it. So they said

1538
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:39,150
they're boosting back and forth
keep these messages to yourself

1539
01:38:39,150 --> 01:38:44,970
people. Tone record 1111 live
test let it rip. See Brooklyn

1540
01:38:47,460 --> 01:38:53,670
one 112 11,111 Girl on Girl
music I love sushi 20,000 SATs a

1541
01:38:53,670 --> 01:38:57,210
girl like me test first live
boost Yahoo. Okay, you got to do

1542
01:38:57,210 --> 01:39:00,870
that after the fact we don't
have the live version working

1543
01:39:00,870 --> 01:39:04,470
yet. So please do that again and
curio caster and any other app

1544
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:10,050
that supports it. Bully Steve
3333 hazhar live boosting live

1545
01:39:10,050 --> 01:39:13,980
boosts are coming and this comes
from fountain so maybe a test a

1546
01:39:13,980 --> 01:39:17,910
test or their ad there's Dred
Scott 5555 testing found live my

1547
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:20,670
first live boosts through
fountain so there are testers on

1548
01:39:20,670 --> 01:39:25,140
it. Blueberry with 33 333 got
two things we're celebrating one

1549
01:39:25,140 --> 01:39:28,440
is the value time split. That
was super fun to try out with

1550
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:32,190
three separate tracks and it
works seamlessly. Oh, I guess

1551
01:39:32,190 --> 01:39:35,250
they did it on the on their own
show. Cool. Thank you Alex,

1552
01:39:35,250 --> 01:39:38,820
Steven B and Dave second thing I
have finally unlocked the art of

1553
01:39:38,820 --> 01:39:43,080
making 55 second show art gift
for under 30 megabyte gonna

1554
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:47,610
change my name to laughs with
scissors. What is this? The art

1555
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:52,770
of making 55 show art GIFs are
under 30 megabytes. Not sure

1556
01:39:52,770 --> 01:39:56,010
what that I'm not sure what
they're doing. Who is blueberry

1557
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:56,610
Blueberry?

1558
01:39:57,480 --> 01:40:01,770
Dave Jones: Blueberry. I have I
only know what Boober is talking

1559
01:40:01,770 --> 01:40:07,140
about. About 30% of the time so
that's yes, this is this is

1560
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:13,950
Adam Curry: 29% more than me.
Okay. Anonymous 31,948 Wow

1561
01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:16,650
that's it looks like Brian of
London boost who just

1562
01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:20,520
reconnected his wallet boosting
like an Iron Dome interceptor on

1563
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:23,640
ascent staying safe here so we
can build the future together.

1564
01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:26,940
That's definitely Brian of
London probably under attack in

1565
01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:34,620
Israel. Under Attack roadex 2222
from Nick live and direct

1566
01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:39,390
Fletcher with a 7633 There's a
30,000 from Martin with beta

1567
01:40:39,390 --> 01:40:43,770
failed successfully. We got
another Macintosh with 2100 His

1568
01:40:43,770 --> 01:40:52,230
first live booths from fountain
dirty Jersey horror 19,760 Y'all

1569
01:40:52,230 --> 01:40:55,500
onboard the quite frankly
podcast yet? Frank seems

1570
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:58,470
skeptical of Bitcoin but as a
prime candidate for podcasting.

1571
01:40:58,470 --> 01:41:01,950
2.0 He's been juggling YouTube,
and all the YouTube alternatives

1572
01:41:01,950 --> 01:41:04,440
and needs a permanent home. That
is a big part of his show.

1573
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,830
Someone building a 2.0 video
platform adopt him please quite

1574
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:11,760
frankly.tv Y'all be good. Well,
that's something for Alex gates,

1575
01:41:11,790 --> 01:41:15,150
for sure. Then there's our mega
monster baller booster Martin

1576
01:41:15,150 --> 01:41:20,460
Ford and 50,000 Anonymous with
1000 SATs owed the 1000 SATs to

1577
01:41:20,460 --> 01:41:24,630
let you know we sent $1,000 from
Team rss.com

1578
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:28,110
Dave Jones: Yep, we got you. We
got a

1579
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:33,450
Adam Curry: big baller you in a
moment. Yes, we will. We got

1580
01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:42,930
what is this? Anonymous 11,111
sad saying live boot boot. drab

1581
01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:48,900
Scott 22 to 23,222 my pre show
boost boost just came through as

1582
01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:56,730
anonymous what you changed it
and there is anonymous 222,222

1583
01:41:56,730 --> 01:41:57,780
There's Dred Scott

1584
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,730
Unknown: 20 his blades on him.
Dude, we

1585
01:42:02,730 --> 01:42:04,380
Adam Curry: busted a mill on
this one.

1586
01:42:04,890 --> 01:42:08,880
Dave Jones: Jeez, Eric p p
22,222.

1587
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:13,800
Adam Curry: These people need to
duck. And there's Martin with to

1588
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:19,290
22,222 and a whole bunch of 10s
Oh my goodness. This is crazy.

1589
01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:23,520
Mike Newman 1836 From the heart
of FEMA Region six pre boost.

1590
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:33,570
And I forgot Borlaug that was
definitely a pre boosts I'll be

1591
01:42:33,570 --> 01:42:40,260
the last 170 3000 SATs may 10
with Mexico's Mexico Mother's

1592
01:42:40,260 --> 01:42:44,310
Day went to see my adopted
abuela and I was listening to

1593
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:48,660
your last podcast she asked
about it and said those two men

1594
01:42:48,660 --> 01:42:49,920
must be very handsome.

1595
01:42:50,340 --> 01:42:53,130
Dave Jones: She's exactly right.
Correct. Abuela

1596
01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:56,790
Adam Curry: she's 73 speaks no
English and she fell in love

1597
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:59,610
with your voices and your
laughter she listened to it in

1598
01:42:59,610 --> 01:43:06,090
the bathtub every day since man
visual. Or it's like a tele

1599
01:43:06,090 --> 01:43:09,240
novella. Thank you gentlemen.
Strong work. Well, we'll take

1600
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,220
Hello abuela Hello. Hello in
your bathtub.

1601
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:17,880
Dave Jones: Abuela Have you met
Roy

1602
01:43:21,630 --> 01:43:22,920
Adam Curry: who else can we
thank Dave

1603
01:43:24,150 --> 01:43:27,600
Dave Jones: we can start off by
thanking with a hearty thanks to

1604
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,040
the boys that rss.com Ben and
Alberto and the game with $1,000

1605
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:36,960
Unknown: blade on I am Paula

1606
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,780
Adam Curry: we're very happy
because this comes just in time

1607
01:43:39,810 --> 01:43:42,900
it all value for value works
that way, just in time for the

1608
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:43,980
database upgrade.

1609
01:43:44,639 --> 01:43:45,749
Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly.

1610
01:43:45,780 --> 01:43:47,700
Adam Curry: Thank you very much.
We're gonna put a little will

1611
01:43:47,730 --> 01:43:50,550
will will name the machine. RSS
boost.

1612
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,510
Dave Jones: Good. I'm about
halfway through the podcast

1613
01:43:57,510 --> 01:44:00,510
Business Journal interview with
Benjamin Richardson. Good

1614
01:44:00,510 --> 01:44:01,380
interview so far.

1615
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,590
Adam Curry: Oh, is this is this
a podcast as well?

1616
01:44:06,150 --> 01:44:08,340
Dave Jones: We're only written I
think it's just written

1617
01:44:08,460 --> 01:44:13,710
Adam Curry: because I scribe and
I get booted. But I also can't

1618
01:44:13,710 --> 01:44:16,350
receive email from James
Cridland mail.

1619
01:44:18,420 --> 01:44:19,710
Dave Jones: To decom No,

1620
01:44:19,740 --> 01:44:22,830
Adam Curry: now we've looked at
all that is something else. I'm

1621
01:44:22,830 --> 01:44:23,310
not sure

1622
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:26,100
Dave Jones: what it is yet. You
blacklisted and bet you're

1623
01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:26,640
banned.

1624
01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:29,460
Adam Curry: I don't well. So
he's like He said, Well, you're

1625
01:44:29,460 --> 01:44:32,490
blocking and I said no, I don't
think so. But let me get void

1626
01:44:32,490 --> 01:44:36,660
zero on so I ping void zero
who's a no agenda social.com and

1627
01:44:36,660 --> 01:44:39,330
James can't see his answers
because of course no agenda

1628
01:44:39,330 --> 01:44:42,180
socials blocked by James's
Mastodon Host.

1629
01:44:42,540 --> 01:44:46,200
Dave Jones: Oh, really? Yeah. Of
course. The entire universe

1630
01:44:46,230 --> 01:44:48,570
Adam Curry: never ending story.
Yeah, exactly.

1631
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:50,790
Dave Jones: Thank you, Ben and
Albertus. Yeah, really

1632
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:54,510
appreciate that guy. Really
appreciate it. Thanks. We got

1633
01:44:54,690 --> 01:44:58,830
that was that was really pay
pal. So we've got some early one

1634
01:44:58,830 --> 01:45:02,640
time paper we got some boosts
Yeah, we got 70 No one from

1635
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:07,620
Anonymous is Welcome back guys.
Yo, yo, Thank you, Steven B with

1636
01:45:07,620 --> 01:45:10,800
a special Richard's Joe Martin
music test boost

1637
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:15,030
Adam Curry: successful Okay,
there was a lot of those I think

1638
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:19,020
Dave Jones: a bunch I
consolidated Yes,

1639
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,840
Adam Curry: by the way I just
want to say so after the show, I

1640
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:25,260
remembered of course to put the
Joe Martin tags in and

1641
01:45:25,260 --> 01:45:29,730
everything pretty slick. The way
sovereign feeds has, it took me

1642
01:45:29,730 --> 01:45:33,660
a second to figure out you know,
pre production post production

1643
01:45:33,660 --> 01:45:37,620
or he has two different modes
for doing that. But it's slick

1644
01:45:37,620 --> 01:45:40,710
Maggie Liu, type in the name the
artist shows up, you select the

1645
01:45:40,710 --> 01:45:47,190
song, boom, it goes in, you sync
it with the time done. Very,

1646
01:45:47,190 --> 01:45:48,480
very cool system.

1647
01:45:49,500 --> 01:45:51,840
Dave Jones: Live is going to be
a trip that's going to be a fun

1648
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:56,280
thing to work through. I would
love to see I would love to see

1649
01:45:56,280 --> 01:46:01,200
like a like a when you go to do
your first live. I would love to

1650
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:05,400
see it like a like a video of
your hand of like your keyboard

1651
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:06,240
and the screen.

1652
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,450
Adam Curry: Choose my right
foot. I'm going to need a foot

1653
01:46:09,450 --> 01:46:10,680
to go with that for sure.

1654
01:46:11,820 --> 01:46:14,490
Dave Jones: You're gonna be a
hand short. Auburn Citadelle

1655
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:16,800
10,000 sets running with
scissors.

1656
01:46:16,830 --> 01:46:18,270
Adam Curry: Thanks for you very
nice.

1657
01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:23,640
Dave Jones: Oh, another one is
so he gave to ya two times. Oh,

1658
01:46:23,790 --> 01:46:28,470
wait a second. Why Auburn
citadel 100,000 sets

1659
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:34,620
Unknown: shot kala blade blades
on Ambala bustin a mill

1660
01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:38,850
Dave Jones: through curio
kasseri says Cool beans and

1661
01:46:38,850 --> 01:46:42,450
again with another 100,000 sets
to cast

1662
01:46:44,010 --> 01:46:46,230
Unknown: blades on the Impala.
Thank

1663
01:46:46,230 --> 01:46:47,850
Adam Curry: you, man. Thank you.
Thank you.

1664
01:46:48,630 --> 01:46:52,500
Dave Jones: Jean Everett 33 333
nice mountain he says boost

1665
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:57,360
boost boost you gotta boost
boost. We got 1700 sets from

1666
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:01,650
chaos 99 Without a note we got
1948 from Brian of London. Not

1667
01:47:01,650 --> 01:47:04,380
sure if the last one works
trying again. Gravity won't hold

1668
01:47:04,380 --> 01:47:05,490
podcasting. 2.0

1669
01:47:06,660 --> 01:47:08,040
Adam Curry: Nice Nice. Nice.

1670
01:47:09,450 --> 01:47:14,220
Dave Jones: Thank you brown
again. Listen to those 336 90

1671
01:47:14,220 --> 01:47:16,740
from anonymous through pod
versus like the track at the

1672
01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:19,740
beginning of the show. Start
nine is cool. I like the

1673
01:47:19,740 --> 01:47:24,000
detailed interface. I'm keeping
running. I keep running Umbral.

1674
01:47:24,030 --> 01:47:27,930
I think it's more open for nerds
also start nine hang strong on

1675
01:47:27,930 --> 01:47:30,060
the SSL tour for the show.

1676
01:47:30,599 --> 01:47:34,259
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you. It's
true. It's true. By long term I

1677
01:47:34,259 --> 01:47:36,869
think start nine is really the
way to go. I mean, building a

1678
01:47:36,869 --> 01:47:40,259
whole OS around this is
dynamite. But they definitely

1679
01:47:40,259 --> 01:47:44,009
need to fix the other dynamic
naming of machines

1680
01:47:44,670 --> 01:47:46,620
Dave Jones: in the mempool
finally came back down that

1681
01:47:46,620 --> 01:47:47,100
thing was

1682
01:47:47,250 --> 01:47:53,640
Adam Curry: no that's all I saw
300 I think it was crazy.

1683
01:47:54,150 --> 01:47:56,850
Dave Jones: It was like 2025
bucks to open it

1684
01:47:59,430 --> 01:48:00,690
Adam Curry: to totally insane

1685
01:48:01,530 --> 01:48:04,530
Dave Jones: some quacks in his
111 he says I was actually

1686
01:48:04,530 --> 01:48:06,960
toilet scrolling when you
brought it up as a shame was

1687
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:15,150
real airhead 1000 sets through
curio Castro says boost in this

1688
01:48:15,150 --> 01:48:16,050
bitch and song.

1689
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:19,290
Adam Curry: Nice Oh cool. This
was this all went to Joe Martin.

1690
01:48:20,820 --> 01:48:24,180
Dave Jones: He sent in another
1000 and another 1000 He says

1691
01:48:24,180 --> 01:48:27,720
boosting the general podcast to
compare and contrast. Okay, so

1692
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:30,480
he's he's doing testing he's
doing research Nice.

1693
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:35,700
Adam Curry: Yes research we we
approve of researching with

1694
01:48:35,730 --> 01:48:36,420
boost

1695
01:48:36,780 --> 01:48:41,220
Dave Jones: rulesets yes real.
Steven B 2000. SAS he says to

1696
01:48:41,220 --> 01:48:45,240
Wii Remote good test. A gotcha.
Gotcha. A couple of those. Joe w

1697
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:49,710
333 says three level three
levels of niche boost. Nice.

1698
01:48:49,770 --> 01:48:54,990
That's yeah, that's That's true.
I mean, like you're, you're

1699
01:48:55,200 --> 01:49:02,160
you're boosting another person's
podcast. Another person's

1700
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:09,390
content on our podcast about
which is a show about which is a

1701
01:49:09,390 --> 01:49:10,860
podcast about podcasting.

1702
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,040
Adam Curry: This is it's it's
recursion.

1703
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:19,380
Dave Jones: Inception.
Inception. Lincoln 10,000 says

1704
01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:22,260
through curio Castro says great
tune Joe and great work Steven

1705
01:49:22,260 --> 01:49:32,280
B. Yes, yep. Jin Jin Nagy Jr.
Says and 200 says great show

1706
01:49:32,850 --> 01:49:41,430
Clarkie and my friends is Gilly
beat mu Yes, give me 25,000 says

1707
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:47,370
olive Fox sent 100 says Drew
Brees is boosting Joe. Cool.

1708
01:49:47,850 --> 01:49:51,180
Olive Fox. Except that will
work. No, that's you.

1709
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:53,010
Adam Curry: Yeah, but it won't
work from breeze.

1710
01:49:54,570 --> 01:49:56,640
Dave Jones: Right because he
didn't do this. Do the split.

1711
01:49:56,730 --> 01:50:01,230
Yeah, right then do the remote
split. Is that's that's what

1712
01:50:01,230 --> 01:50:04,350
everybody calls Roy. Right? That
was his nickname in high school

1713
01:50:04,350 --> 01:50:05,730
the all the fox, the all

1714
01:50:05,730 --> 01:50:09,510
Adam Curry: of the all of Fox. I
think I think some people still

1715
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:11,370
call him that on the weekends.

1716
01:50:12,029 --> 01:50:15,089
Dave Jones: Mere Mortals
podcast. 4321 sets the

1717
01:50:15,089 --> 01:50:17,459
foundation as my second chat
with Dave came out this week we

1718
01:50:17,459 --> 01:50:19,679
finally get to the heart of
what's making him sick all the

1719
01:50:19,679 --> 01:50:19,979
time.

1720
01:50:21,300 --> 01:50:24,000
Adam Curry: But also no spoilers
no spoilers people often listen

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01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:24,570
to the show,

1722
01:50:25,230 --> 01:50:27,090
Dave Jones: but also has some
fun fee for Wii chat and why

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01:50:27,090 --> 01:50:29,940
everyone is pumped for music.
Yes, yeah, that was good.

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01:50:29,940 --> 01:50:30,510
lefkara

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01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,180
Adam Curry: I'd love the chapter
art he's like showing all these

1726
01:50:33,180 --> 01:50:37,350
philosophers and these books and
like, oh, man, he's a real work.

1727
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:39,810
I do always love his chapters.
The chapters are great.

1728
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:45,540
Dave Jones: That means a chapter
savant is Chad F 2112. Rush

1729
01:50:45,540 --> 01:50:49,560
boost is sending a test boost
from podcasts guru on iOS. Yay.

1730
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:50,010
Adam Curry: Nice.

1731
01:50:50,730 --> 01:50:56,400
Dave Jones: Round to the arena.
Yes. And he said, So Jason said

1732
01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:00,450
this morning that they right now
they're only supporting the

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01:51:01,110 --> 01:51:03,720
value blocks that are in the
feed but then they're going to

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01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:05,070
be pulling from

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01:51:06,210 --> 01:51:11,160
Adam Curry: is it wasn't he
fundamentally against value for

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01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:14,970
value? Not not fundamentally but
there was some fear was he was

1737
01:51:14,970 --> 01:51:16,590
like, I don't want to do it now
or am I

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01:51:16,740 --> 01:51:19,410
Dave Jones: thinking I don't
think so. I think you may be

1739
01:51:19,410 --> 01:51:22,800
thinking Xavier from podcast
addict. Maybe that's it. Yeah.

1740
01:51:22,890 --> 01:51:26,670
Yeah. And I think Jason's always
been pretty open to it. Well,

1741
01:51:26,670 --> 01:51:29,850
he's a party he's working on it
man like he's got a lot of envy

1742
01:51:29,850 --> 01:51:34,050
for V so I mean like this it's
an AKA this this thing's rolling

1743
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:41,910
Yeah. Mark it's funny now that
now that now that have lot you

1744
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:47,040
know, podcast guru and pod verse
went on the phone on the

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01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:51,900
smartphone like whenever some
one of your shows goes live, or

1746
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:53,250
dudes and dads

1747
01:51:53,550 --> 01:51:56,970
Adam Curry: you get you get boy
boy boy boy. All these alerts I

1748
01:51:56,970 --> 01:51:58,560
know it's cool. It's cool.

1749
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:05,490
Dave Jones: Marks 31,111 Sass
that takes guts to do first like

1750
01:52:05,490 --> 01:52:08,430
this value splits with music
trying it out live without

1751
01:52:08,430 --> 01:52:11,610
testing that was tight. I'm
coming back with curio caster so

1752
01:52:11,610 --> 01:52:13,080
I can stream this as properly

1753
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:14,100
Adam Curry: Nice.

1754
01:52:15,450 --> 01:52:18,570
Dave Jones: Jean been 20 to 22
found through fountain Issa

1755
01:52:18,570 --> 01:52:21,210
super glad to see the activity
tab for this show in Fountain

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01:52:21,210 --> 01:52:24,180
now. Back to meta gene me.

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01:52:27,150 --> 01:52:31,980
Adam Curry: Oh, because yes,
because we had that enabled. We

1758
01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:32,940
should turn it back on.

1759
01:52:33,059 --> 01:52:39,509
Dave Jones: Oh, for comments.
Yeah, turned back on. I did

1760
01:52:39,509 --> 01:52:42,419
notice we got quite a few of the
like low you know, like less

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01:52:42,419 --> 01:52:43,889
than 1000 Sad comment, right.

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01:52:45,150 --> 01:52:50,130
Adam Curry: Okay, apparently, I
was wrong. I was wrong may COPPA

1763
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:53,880
it did not affect our value for
value income at all.

1764
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,630
Dave Jones: Gene been 2222
through families again he says

1765
01:52:57,630 --> 01:53:00,120
mad props to Oscar for the
implementation of transcripts

1766
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:01,410
within found they look really
good.

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01:53:01,470 --> 01:53:03,660
Adam Curry: I can't wait I've
been waiting for this. I cannot

1768
01:53:03,660 --> 01:53:04,560
wait to see it.

1769
01:53:06,420 --> 01:53:09,060
Dave Jones: 2222 Road ducks
through cast ematic from

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01:53:09,060 --> 01:53:13,290
anonymous Thank you. Get a few
of those mere mortals podcast

1771
01:53:13,290 --> 01:53:17,310
Karen again. 2222 says Hey Adam,
you passed your 100k 100k set

1772
01:53:17,310 --> 01:53:19,920
limit for sporting via booster
grams. So you've earned a mere

1773
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,640
mortals t shirt. Let me know if
you'd like one. Yeah,

1774
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,360
Adam Curry: of course. I want a
t shirt. PO Box 1849

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01:53:27,390 --> 01:53:30,120
Fredericksburg, Texas 78624

1776
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,480
Dave Jones: Joe Martin music
21,000 sets.

1777
01:53:34,020 --> 01:53:36,240
Adam Curry: Joe didn't have to
do that man. Thank you.

1778
01:53:36,750 --> 01:53:38,910
Dave Jones: He says beer money
with beer emoji.

1779
01:53:39,060 --> 01:53:41,100
Adam Curry: Yeah, Cujo will
drink one will drink wine on

1780
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:43,230
your behalf Yep. Steven

1781
01:53:43,230 --> 01:53:48,390
Dave Jones: crater 2000 SATs
test from podcast Guru is

1782
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:53,340
working see it is working value
blocks let's see debased ghosts

1783
01:53:53,340 --> 01:53:56,430
and essential Richard secure
kasseri says value block splits

1784
01:53:56,430 --> 01:53:58,020
go to 11 Twice

1785
01:53:59,190 --> 01:54:00,540
Adam Curry: the senator from
curio Castro

1786
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:05,940
Dave Jones: yes Castro yep nice
to have those are three of those

1787
01:54:05,970 --> 01:54:11,070
three those thank you and debase
ghost Hottel rodeos, sin and

1788
01:54:11,070 --> 01:54:15,030
again another central Richards
he says value splits go to 11

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01:54:15,330 --> 01:54:19,530
Thank you. And we got the
delimiter commas job blogger

1790
01:54:19,530 --> 01:54:24,300
blogger 30 30153 found Denise's
daring Dave and alleviating

1791
01:54:24,300 --> 01:54:28,470
Adam, the consequence of your
actions cannot be understated.

1792
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:33,600
Podcasting 2.0 provides the
marketplace for freeze peach. We

1793
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,500
understand the utility of V for
V advertisement. So liberally

1794
01:54:37,500 --> 01:54:40,830
apply worth to this show because
like you providing useful

1795
01:54:40,830 --> 01:54:44,400
knowledge about 21st century
fire is a public service.

1796
01:54:44,730 --> 01:54:48,030
Technological intelligence will
coalesce around the fields of

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listeners, do yourselves a

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1799
01:54:57,930 --> 01:55:00,450
Adam Curry: Thank you CSB a
growth and we are actually got a

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tally coin donation 33,330 SATs
Sam is super cool Sam Sethi was

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01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:11,640
on the show last week feels like
we barely scratched the surface

1802
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,880
such kind words so this is to
make Adam feel warm and fuzzy

1803
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:20,310
inside love from chyron he just
had to he had to do a tally coin

1804
01:55:20,340 --> 01:55:23,250
on chain boost. Lovely. Thank
you ma'am we have monthlies to

1805
01:55:23,250 --> 01:55:26,640
thank as well as the monthlies.
Yeah, the importers auto make

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01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:29,010
this an auto everybody on your
app make it auto

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01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:33,089
Dave Jones: pod verse 50 bucks.
Thank you Mitch. Mitch and

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01:55:33,089 --> 01:55:39,149
crayon. Basil Philip $25. Lauren
ball $24.20 Christopher

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horrible. Eric $10. Mitch downy.
Thank you Miss $10 Terry Keller,

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$10 Jeremy Kevin, all $10 Chris
Cowan $5 and Jeffrey Rutherford

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01:55:49,919 --> 01:55:50,909
$5

1812
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,400
Adam Curry: Thank you all very
much for these very generous

1813
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:57,240
donations value for value. You
can do it in so many ways time

1814
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:00,000
talent treasure you really
brought it today certainly with

1815
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,300
the live booths with all these
lit, lit apps all these fabs

1816
01:56:03,300 --> 01:56:12,960
going lit remember to spread the
love to rusty rusty at rusty

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01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:17,250
gate, use curio caster for that.
Go back and listen to it and

1818
01:56:17,250 --> 01:56:19,590
send some love their way and
let's see if we can get this

1819
01:56:19,590 --> 01:56:21,780
word to you and get them on
number one on wave Lake again.

1820
01:56:22,260 --> 01:56:25,080
And you can go to podcast
index.org down at the bottom

1821
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:28,620
there's two red donation buttons
one for your pay pal your Fiat

1822
01:56:28,620 --> 01:56:30,990
fund coupons and one for on
chain if you want to use that

1823
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but we recommend going to
podcast apps.com grabbing any

1824
01:56:34,170 --> 01:56:38,130
one of those just the growing
number of podcasts apps that

1825
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:41,220
allow you to do value for value
and we thank you all very much

1826
01:56:41,220 --> 01:56:44,370
and especially the developers we
love you thank you for doing all

1827
01:56:44,370 --> 01:56:46,080
of this work to make it all
possible

1828
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:56,430
Dave Jones: just want to point
out the work that Gehrman and

1829
01:56:56,550 --> 01:57:02,310
station yeah from pod station
but he has been continuously

1830
01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:06,900
working on the cross app
comments on our website yes

1831
01:57:06,900 --> 01:57:07,590
Adam Curry: thank you

1832
01:57:07,679 --> 01:57:11,669
Dave Jones: yes and they finally
him and Steve him and Nathan and

1833
01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:16,559
Steven crater been collaborating
together and they got they you

1834
01:57:16,559 --> 01:57:19,559
can post you can post back now
like you Oh

1835
01:57:21,090 --> 01:57:21,810
Adam Curry: Oh really?

1836
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,710
Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Oh hold on
a second. Yeah. And it's rad to

1837
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:26,310
I didn't

1838
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:29,580
Adam Curry: realize this as this
had been done on a second let me

1839
01:57:29,580 --> 01:57:29,850
just

1840
01:57:30,150 --> 01:57:33,300
Dave Jones: do just this I just
pushed out to production maybe

1841
01:57:33,300 --> 01:57:33,930
two days ago.

1842
01:57:34,290 --> 01:57:36,840
Adam Curry: And we just see for
a second almost so I can see

1843
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:43,440
here under it won't show it
under okay but under episode 131

1844
01:57:43,470 --> 01:57:48,390
Toilet scroll oh man, we have a
lot of a lot of splits. We do we

1845
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:53,340
do. I love seeing those. Okay,
got this.

1846
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:57,180
Dave Jones: So if you go to a
post if you go to a post that

1847
01:57:57,180 --> 01:58:00,000
you want to reply to and go to
the little three dots over there

1848
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:00,720
to the right

1849
01:58:01,350 --> 01:58:03,360
Adam Curry: oh here it is. I see
there's Jeremy

1850
01:58:03,390 --> 01:58:05,730
Dave Jones: reply to this post.
Oh

1851
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:11,430
Adam Curry: dude, this is cool.
Okay, yeah,

1852
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:14,580
Dave Jones: who says it says
what is your fediverse account

1853
01:58:14,610 --> 01:58:15,420
are you started

1854
01:58:15,420 --> 01:58:17,850
Adam Curry: already knew it I
guess because it just just gave

1855
01:58:17,850 --> 01:58:22,860
me all just just gave me a way
to respond to low altitude

1856
01:58:22,860 --> 01:58:28,770
already knocked it up to NASA.
And I see forget this oh, oh.

1857
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:34,050
Oh, you can you can you can undo
it. Oh, no. Oh, no. What is your

1858
01:58:34,050 --> 01:58:36,810
fit? I'm sorry fediverse account
you're right. I just plus I

1859
01:58:37,020 --> 01:58:43,620
didn't read it. Adam at podcast
in curse Yeah, I

1860
01:58:43,620 --> 01:58:45,360
Dave Jones: think you have to
use the app for I think you have

1861
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:45,960
to do like

1862
01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:51,720
Adam Curry: Adam add podcast
index dot social. Or an O at

1863
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:54,810
Adam at you told me

1864
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,560
Dave Jones: I thought it was at
but maybe it's not let me see.

1865
01:58:58,650 --> 01:58:59,070
I'm gonna say

1866
01:59:03,450 --> 01:59:14,790
Adam Curry: play host. Oh. Okay.
So it opened up. Huh? I don't

1867
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:19,110
know it opened up podcast index
dot social. Right? Because

1868
01:59:19,170 --> 01:59:20,340
that's what's supposed to do.

1869
01:59:20,850 --> 01:59:22,470
Dave Jones: Well, that's what
you put in for your identity,

1870
01:59:22,470 --> 01:59:27,000
right? Yes. Yeah. So you know,
you should it should take you to

1871
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:32,520
where you can reply. Like, it
basically asks you what your

1872
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:37,020
account is, and then it will
direct you to that page to that

1873
01:59:37,020 --> 01:59:40,920
page so that you can reply. It's
sort of like it's, it's like

1874
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:45,120
that experience when you're on
another, another Mastodon and

1875
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:46,920
you want to reply, like kicks
you back,

1876
01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:51,450
Adam Curry: right? So it's not
really in inline reply, but it's

1877
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:57,540
close to it. And then I in order
to see it, I have to refresh the

1878
01:59:57,540 --> 01:59:59,040
page. I'm guessing

1879
01:59:59,850 --> 02:00:02,940
Dave Jones: Well, me let me try
it with my because it worked on

1880
02:00:02,940 --> 02:00:07,110
my other computer but I haven't
tried it from this one yet.

1881
02:00:07,830 --> 02:00:12,390
Social see? David podcasting
loading

1882
02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:15,480
Adam Curry: loading loading
which vote Yeah, okay, I showed

1883
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:16,950
up there it worked. Yeah.

1884
02:00:17,940 --> 02:00:19,920
Dave Jones: Yep, that's what man
does too. So it did it just

1885
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,090
takes you to where you're

1886
02:00:21,090 --> 02:00:23,760
Adam Curry: going to right right
you still have to hit reply but

1887
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:27,570
it does take you there. Yep,
yep. And it doesn't resolve my

1888
02:00:27,570 --> 02:00:38,010
PCI little flag in my name. Just
a small detail. PCI. Yeah, so if

1889
02:00:38,010 --> 02:00:43,200
you do call on PCI Kolon it'll
show little podcast index logo

1890
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:47,790
next to my Oh, yeah. Okay. Very
cool. Very, very cool.

1891
02:00:48,630 --> 02:00:51,510
Dave Jones: Yeah, this is this
is this is a big deal. I mean,

1892
02:00:51,510 --> 02:00:55,170
because this is truly
decentralized chat. I mean,

1893
02:00:55,230 --> 02:00:57,330
excuse me comments, comments and
look,

1894
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:02,940
Adam Curry: where do I moderate
moderate I like any of these

1895
02:01:02,940 --> 02:01:08,040
comments and get rid of the
burden, but it's not a problem.

1896
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:11,370
Okay. There's no moderation. Oh,

1897
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:18,660
Dave Jones: really appreciate.
It's really anyone who's just

1898
02:01:18,660 --> 02:01:22,980
diligent like he just goes down
down down deep interest in a

1899
02:01:22,980 --> 02:01:24,750
topic just doesn't come up with
it

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Adam Curry: sticks with it. We
love that. Hi, brother. Well,

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02:01:27,930 --> 02:01:31,890
what a day, huh? What a week.
It's been phenomenal. And we got

1902
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:35,910
$2.01 on the clock. So I'm going
to call it everybody. Thank you

1903
02:01:35,910 --> 02:01:40,080
very much for joining us here
for the board meeting of

1904
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:43,680
podcast. Podcasting. 2.0 Dave,
back to work for you.

1905
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:47,700
Dave Jones: No, no, I owe him
off. I've actually got a call

1906
02:01:47,700 --> 02:01:51,150
with a podcaster to help them
out with a feed switch here in a

1907
02:01:51,150 --> 02:01:51,390
minute.

1908
02:01:51,809 --> 02:01:55,109
Adam Curry: Lovely always added
always working for you value for

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02:01:55,109 --> 02:01:58,319
value. Thank you all very much.
We'll be back next week with

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02:01:58,319 --> 02:02:00,929
another board meeting of
podcasting. 2.0 Have a great

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02:02:00,929 --> 02:02:04,919
weekend everybody day see you
there buddy. Bye bye everybody.

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02:02:20,430 --> 02:02:24,990
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Adam Curry: I'll get it all off.
Take it away.