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podcasting 2.0

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for November 20 2020, Episode
Number 12 we're breaking code.

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Gotta stretch those words out
even longer. Stay in the music

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It's Friday once again,
everybody we are meeting with

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the board of podcast index.org.
And now the man who did a

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decade's worth of work in three
months, Dave and namespace

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Slayer.

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I guess our first topic of the
board meeting is discussing the

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understanding foundation million
dollar offer. We have to buy

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podcast index, Spotify. I voted
down. I don't think we should do

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it.

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No, no, no, I don't I think
they're too small for us.

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Oh, yeah, I'm holding out for at
least 250. megaphone get to 50.

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We got I mean, like, we don't do
anything. We don't do 1% of what

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they do. So we should get at
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at least a couple mil right
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Yeah, sure.

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All right, everybody. This is
where we discuss podcasting.

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2.0, we bring you up to speed
and all the developments. And

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these literally are developments
taking place at podcast

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index.org and our sister site
where we hang out podcast index

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dot social, which is a mastodon
site. So you can follow at Adam

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at podcast index dot social net,
David podcast, index dot social.

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And, man, we got stuff to talk
about this week. Every week,

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there's a lot going on. Maybe
let's just start with the bugs

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and affected people who might
have been listening to this

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podcast. If you were listening
on podcast addict. We found out

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that the way I was publishing
with doing the transcripts later

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broke the player. Which was
really quite interesting.

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Actually.

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It was what do you want to say?
Why? Like, tell you're like,

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yeah,

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like, I'll explain the process.
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is important. Because I think
I'm not the only person who

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records and publishes this way.
After I do a show any show, I

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want to get it out as soon as
possible, especially the no

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agenda show. But you know,
because that's also streamed

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live. But I want to get it out
as soon as possible. And it

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takes time to get some chapter
stuff going and to get the

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transcripts done by otter.ai.
Ai. So what I've been doing,

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since it's very difficult with
caching and how apps access the

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feed, and then you know, if a
change is reflected across apps,

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it's a mess. So, so it what
didn't work out is publishing my

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feed, and then later adding the
tags for captions and for

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chapters, because that typically
wouldn't get that wouldn't flow

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through even with an update to
the index, it just, it's just

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not

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because the GUI doesn't change,
right? I think it's anything new

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about it. And if

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you change the G UID, then you
get the episode twice, and most

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podcast apps, it's, it's quite
as quite ugly. So I decided that

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the easiest way would just be to
create dummy URLs, which I knew

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would be the correct URLs. And
that's kind of a kind of a fun

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little game that I have to play
with hyper catcher because hyper

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catcher has an API endpoint that
that becomes the URL. So these

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community chapters flow through
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published, because the URL
remains the same. But I still

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have to put that into the feed
first, so that at least the

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information flows through to the
apps and then for some reason on

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podcast addict and these will
take a day or two before I have

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all my all my junk together and
you know, have have the

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transcripts uploaded and
everything, just because it's a

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three and a half hour show and
I'm tired and takes time and you

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know, I'll do it tomorrow. But I
mean, even if even if the

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community you know, does the
chapters man that still takes a

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while for three and a half hour
show and saying

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yeah, that's a lot of content.
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and and of course it's a catch
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catcher to author the chapters
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Just to make it he is so hyper
catcher as a as a personal app

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podcast that you can suggest
chapters and then as the

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podcasts you can go into a back
end system, which is hyper

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Capture Studio, and then you can
approve what anyone submits,

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which I like a lot because it's
a lot of work. I just did the

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show then to listen to it again
and put markers in. Now I can

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enhance it with images and add
URLs but if people at least are

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doing the markers and the and
the titles, it's extremely

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handy. Okay,

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let me ask you a question. So if
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you're creating in hyper Capture
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the episode being in the feed.
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but the URL that it gives you
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not somehow tied to the fate?
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Anywhere, right?

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The the way hyper Capture Studio
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the geo ID. Okay, so I know that
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once you have that, once you
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anywhere. And I can,

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yeah, then I can stick it in
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empty. And if it and again,
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entry in the chapter file, that
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Because I'm thinking that I'm
just thinking that what, what

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you could have is a is a dummy
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into just long enough to get the
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stick that URL into the real
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They do this with one leg in the
air and in one hand tied behind

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my back. In my face is that this
is this is going to introduce a

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lot of other errors.

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I see nothing wrong with this.

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Well, so the podcast addict
developers, I'm sorry, no, no

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his name. He said

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that Xavier.

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Oh, Xavier. He says, What's
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because it works, I think every
haven't received any other bug

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reports. But this is specific to
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that play engine or something.
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barking out when it sees that
there's a 404, which is I don't

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think anything should work out
on a 404. But it does. So his

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he's already patched that and
it's uploaded to beta. But we

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know that'll take a while before
it gets through. And everyone

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updates. So what I'm going to do
now is I'm going to create the,

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the actual files. So for and
chapters wasn't an issue.

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Because chapters I can get going
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start entry and you're done.
Then that URL is active.

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Like you just put intro zero,

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right and go exactly, exactly.
But for. For the transcript, it

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just takes time. It takes a
couple hours for the for the

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transcript to be done.

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It really doesn't take that
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three and a half hours or two
dudes. yappin.

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guess. So. Yeah. Yeah. And it
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want to do it nicely, then I'd
let it because it still has

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problems. You can identify.
Okay, here are the voices. He

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said, this is Adam. This is
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Dave. But it's still goes
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every single time. tries to
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know, then you have to say,
Okay, this is Adam. But it

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doesn't just replace speaker one
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has to be done for every single
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for hours on end. So it's far
from perfect. And I'm not I

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forget what the buzzsprout guys
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switch to that.

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I thought they were using otter.
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I think way. It's definitely
something was something else. I

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thought I can't remember what
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otter was simple. And it's not
too expensive. Because you know,

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it's not free. But nor should it
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that I think he I think what he
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I can't remember the name of it

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all figured out. Anyway, so. So
just and this is important,

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because as developers, you have
the use cases and workflows in

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mind that can vary widely from
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especially, you know, it's like,
chapters itself become something

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incredibly cool. I love showing
my chapters in pod friend,

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because pod friend pops it up
like a slideshow. Yeah, you

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know, it's really pretty. And
then that is if you have an

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image URL in there.

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And then it's same with the same
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kecia does the same. Yep. And so
I love showing that and that's,

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that's more than to me. That's a
huge benefit. It's not just oh,

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I want to skip ahead to
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Oh, that's interesting. What's
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about? Oh, there's the chart
popped right up. Now you have,

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you know, like a third dimension
that you're adding to the

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podcast, which

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I love. It's I'm very excited
about this. Does does hyper

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kitcher Studio allow you to
specify those things without

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chapter markers, like silent,
basically silent chapters where

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it doesn't give you a jump
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I don't remember if he supported
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no, in fact, you name it, it's
asking you just an image not a

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Well, no, like in this in the
spec, and it's there. It was a

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recent change that we made sort
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to the namespace spec you me?

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maybe a week and a half before

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it finalized or two weeks before
finalized. We put in the table

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of contents property, where you
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here's a podcast, here's a
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this many seconds. But it does,
but but it does not go it should

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not be visible in the table of
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that it's not a jump point that
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It triggers an action.

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even think you can use it as
jump. Oh, no, you can. So it

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shows that the main image window
rotates. And then below there is

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a list. That's your table of
contents. Yeah, it does list

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everything. It does.

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I don't mind you know that
that's okay. That's okay. For

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me. I just love it when apps
actually show the image like I

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think pod verse shows little
thumbnails and has the as a more

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traditional approach to chapters
as jump points. Down at the

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bottom of the episode. But
regardless, all of this shit is

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cool. It really is. And it's,
and of course, leave it to me to

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break stuff. Because who else
would figure this one out? But

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But if that's your that's your
that's your most your time,

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talent? treasure? That's your
talent added?

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Yes, it's my superpower. Yeah.
But it's, it's it's good that we

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find this out. And, you know,
but despite all of that, still,

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it's pretty foolproof. I mean,
the system works. The chapters

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are flowing, the transcripts are
flowing. I'm I'm very happy.

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This is this is good.

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I still got a, you know, still
got a lack of tools. Really? I

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mean, yeah, you know, I mean,
there, yes, the tools exist. I

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mean, we're talking about
applicator studio, we're talking

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about, you know, bus, bus browse
tools, and those kind of things,

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but they just need to mature. So
that so the average human beings

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can do it. Well, but you know,
then again, average human beings

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are not doing well, most of what
you're doing. I mean, like they,

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they're just going into their
host and hitting publish and

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dropping.

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Right? The easiest thing for
every podcast, I know this just

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from experience, if you have and
we started this with the no

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agenda player, which sadly went
defunct, but it kind of got

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resurrected in. In the new no
agenda. show.net sight is the

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ability to mark chapters, and
the audience will do that. And I

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think I think that that's
incredibly valuable. And

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there's, there's some cultural
around it. But as you point out,

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there's just not enough tools.
But I would say as a as a

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content producer, as a
podcaster, I would happily pay

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for that, I would happily pay
for a community tool that spits

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out a URL that is known
obviously, so I can put it into

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my feed before it actually
exists. And, and have the

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ability for the my listeners who
I happen to call producers, but

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any listeners to add the chapter
markers, that's worth money.

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That's a great tool. Now, I like
hyper catchers model because

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it's kind of a two way street
where in order to use the

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studio, your mirror, your
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catcher app. So that's kind of
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time, which I think is a super
smart model. But in general, if

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there were just a service that
any app could tie into, that

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produces a JSON URL for
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API I pay for that. I pay for
hosting. You know what

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transcripts of pay for that it's
pretty simple service, I

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think well, it reminds me of
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with the Sphinx was doing around
Maru trying to trying to find

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duplicates and and fraud feeds.
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service like that where you
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a Mechanical Turk type thing
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you know, a fee and then people
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payments or you know, some small
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in there and, and create the
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That would be a great paid
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hard. Like he can't do it
without a tie. And you really,

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there's just not a way to do any
of this stuff without a person

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doing it. And but in rough you
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hour show. I mean, the having to
create into the podcaster

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themselves go through and just
spend, I mean, you got to at

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least listen to all three and a
half hours and you're going to

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be stopping but did you get it
right? You know yet right now.

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But the proof is in the pudding,
go look at SoundCloud, go look

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at the popularity of people
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that on SoundCloud, it's you
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is hugely popular. This is this
is a very obvious feature that

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people love. And it's in the
ability to be able to use this

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between apps. So that you should
be able to author this on hyper

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catcher, but you should also be
able to contribute from pod

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friend, or pod verse or any pod
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pods, the pod podcast apps, that
that would have to go through

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some kind of service. Yeah.
Which I think is that now, day

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between you and I podcast index
LLC can can choose to create

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this service. But I feel that's
something that's outside of the

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scope. And we should probably,
you know, consider you know, as

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an extra that just it an extra
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Yeah. And that's something that
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Because it's been talked about
before people have mentioned,

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oh, such and such thing. Maybe
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that's that's territory, we
tread very lightly, because

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we really don't want we really
don't want to host accounts, I

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don't think

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and we don't want to compete
with anybody. I mean, like we

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don't I don't mind competition
for us. I mean, that i think

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that's that's great. Like,
somebody was posting about the

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listing notes API. And that's a
paid paid service. I

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think they've been around for a
while those guys?

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I think so. Yeah, a few years, I
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do they support the new
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I don't know. I really don't
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personally, but you know,
anybody at that at that group?

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And I would hope if they are
aware of what's going on over

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here, they would join the
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because there's really no, I
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service, we just go on
donations, there's really, I

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mean, technically, it's
competition, but it's really

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not. Because, I mean, we do what
we do. And our our goals are

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different. I mean, our goals are
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but they don't necessarily
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catering to independent podcast,
app developers really seems like

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it's more of corporate who want
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access to this for planning
purposes. I could be wrong. But

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that's just that was my first
impression.

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Well, yeah, and I think also,
just the core philosophy of, you

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know, they, I think, if I'm not
mistaken, they're they're real,

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they're real core is like,
taking his notes, essentially

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putting, you know, like writing
up notes on a podcast and

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sharing those things. So, you
know, whereas ours is preserving

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podcasting as platform for free
speech. I mean, that's, that's

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our core, our core mission is to
make sure that podcasting

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remains an open platform. It's
not, that's not sensible. And,

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you know, we're doing so that's
why we're doing lightning

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payments. And all this kind of
jazz, where we're going in these

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different directions. And the
API in the index is just

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something that's necessary to
make all that to make all that

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happen, because you need a place
where you can be sure that a

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show is not going to get the
platform and you need a, you

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know, a group that's
concentrating on making sure

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freedom is front and center. And
that's what we're trying to do.

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And that's why we're not really,
we don't charge for anything,

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because, you know, we we started
paying for this thing out of our

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own pocket anyway, we were like,
We didn't know if we're gonna

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get any donations. Right. So I
think that's it's just a

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different philosophy, but I
would love to work with them and

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anybody else because the
namespace helps everybody. I

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mean, it's not just going to
help, you know, podcast index. I

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mean, it really doesn't help us.
It helps our mission. It doesn't

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help necessarily us, but it will
help all of podcasting in

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general to go and that's, well,
we could talk about that phase

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one, you know, Phase One closed.
Monday is Monday or Sunday. And

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so we have those five, five new
tags.

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Okay, let's just list those five
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Yeah. And that's

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so we had a lot of put them in
the in the in the show notes

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Loctite block tag chapters,
translators cribs, is that

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transcripts slash captions? Is
that how we?

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What is locked is transcript?
No. So in me, I'm getting

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attacked by the fire department
is

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okay. Transcript cap captions
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No trans captions is part of the
transcript. Okay.

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I was just trying what I like to
say slash, okay. Okay. I'm just

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I'm going outside of scope.
Okay. Then we have funding

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funding right, which I've seen
work is really nice again, good

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pod friend is my go to for that
boom, up pops the Pay Pal

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button. But although it's
yellow, not red, but okay. So we

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had done we have something like
that, which that should have

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been Damn, I missed that on the
on the closing of the namespace.

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It should have been color equals

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b should be demanded.

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Yes. All right. funding and then
we have chapters do we hit? No,

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you

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have that clip? Okay. In a
soundbite

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sound bites, what we're calling
it all right sound? Is that with

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a IOI?

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With a sound bite with a Why?

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You'd be? You'd be, you'd be
amazed. 123. Okay, so those

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five, and those are locked down.
And I think almost every one of

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those is supported by almost
everybody. One or two are

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missed. I think the soundbite
may be trailing.

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Yeah, a little bit. But you
know, and it's not as much as I

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thought it would be the I mean,
there's actually people are

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putting that in fairly quickly.

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Now that now I have tool issue
once again. What's down by

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Yeah, yeah. So that's the tool.
The tools are lagging on

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soundbyte more than the players
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Yes. And yeah, I have no idea.
Can I can I calculate this by

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hand what I need to enter? Or?

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Yes, you can put it you can just
look at the time code is it just

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like, just like chapters is done
with seconds. It's just an

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offset, and a duration. So you
say this soundbite is going to

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be it's going to start at this
many seconds in the in the URL

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in the enclosure. It's gonna
last for this many seconds. And

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so the the app just knows in a
jump, jump here, play this much

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content and then jump out

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and enumerator is seconds. Yeah,
that's right. Okay. All right.

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Well, I can do that.

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Yeah, no, that's an easy, that's
an easy one, if you needed to

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draw back to doing something by
hand. But we do we fit we we

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ship that. And phase two is now
just in an open status, there's

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no close date on it or anything
we're just gonna have to do

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especially with holidays and
that kind of thing. We mean, you

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know, I don't feel comfortable
putting a hard date on anything

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right now. until until after the
holidays are over, but, but what

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we're going to be focusing on, I
think, is person, the person

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tag, the location tag, and the
season tag.

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Okay, so person tag, season tag,

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the location tag,

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locate look, and what about
value?

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Well, it's it's in there. I
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of a,

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I'm putting it on my list.

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Who knows how long it's gonna
take for. for other people. We

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got to have a host in order for
a namespace to tag adoption you

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gotta have are the rules are you
gonna have at least one host

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that will support it in at least
one app that'll support it? We

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think supports the on the app
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Well, how about cast a pod?

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I don't think they don't think
guest pod. Well, they're not a

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host. But they're just a they're
just, well, they're self. Well,

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they're

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self hosting. I'd be very
careful. Be very careful what

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you say there. I hear a cast pod
guys sharpen it up is his

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Pitchfork.

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Yeah, he's gonna come after me.

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Do you think you are Dave Jones?

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You pieces

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gonna come after social media.
gonna cancel you on the

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mastodon, bro. You're out.

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Can I just say that? It's so
Jay. I have to get into the

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Twitter account. The podcast
index.org. Yes.

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My wife was asking you about
that. Hey, who runs the

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podcasting dex dad or account?
staff?

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Yeah, yes,

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exactly.

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Dave's got a guy.

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We might have to relinquish
control to her. She's if she

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can't. Stand the way we do this,
I really hurt that we couldn't

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figure out the donation button
had to be read. So, okay, it's a

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free marketing department if she
wants to do it. I'm all in. She

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can have it.

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Right. That is one less thing.
Right? My my life would be

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wonderful if I never had to
check Twitter again. Yeah,

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that's it. That's what I was
starting to say like, I got on

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there to hide it. But I don't
know what I was posting. But I

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got on there and James James
Cridland had posted. So it

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popped up in on the top of the
timeline, it said, he said, You

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know, I haven't I haven't gotten
into my Twitter account in

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months. And so I'm sorry if I
missed everybody. And then he

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was like, see all later. Like,
basically, I'm leaving again,

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I'm not gonna, you know, I'm
gonna do my once every six

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months check in. And I was, you
know, got me thinking this is

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completely off topic. But it
just got me thinking how social

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media, honestly, I'm beginning
more and more every day to think

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it has ruined its society, human

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beings. Yes, of course, this

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house is an awful, steaming
pile, dumpster fire, whatever.

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It's awful. And I don't know why
this bra I just came to mind.

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But I mean, it's just, I've
deleted Twitter off my phone

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probably a month and a half ago.
And it's, it's great. I don't

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miss it one bit.

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I mean, I so I use Twitter only
as an inbox. So I'm only looking

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at my, my mentions because
that's where the most

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interesting things are is what
you know, people will tag me in.

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And that's really all I use it
for. But to me, I get great

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pleasure from going to a
mastodon server. And, and I look

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at you know, there's the three
areas the you know, your

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subscriptions, your timeline,
your, your mentions, and then

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whatever else is happening on
your local mastodon server. And

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I go down 123 Okay, I've seen
them all 1234. Okay, I've seen

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reply here. Okay. All right, I'm
done. There's nothing else

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popping up. It's not holding
back any posts to show me just

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as I'm ready to leave, which is
definitely what the algorithms

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do. On most social networks. You
know, it'll notify Oh, you've

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got five likes. What the just
when you're when you've been on

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for, you know, for five minutes,
all this they hold that stuff

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back? It's crazy to hate is the
hate? Oh, that's a program that

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for you that hate?

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Yeah, it's you, people. I don't
know what it is. But it's like,

444
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:39,660
okay, so we started this social
media experiment. I don't know

445
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:41,580
what 12 years ago.

446
00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:43,590
2008. Okay,

447
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:47,970
yeah. So, as of 12 years ago,
roughly, is when social media

448
00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:51,750
sort of rose into a prominent
thing in culture. Okay, so we

449
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:57,570
now know, we now know, like,
this sociologically speaking,

450
00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:03,000
that it takes 12 years to
destroy society. With social

451
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,900
media, I mean, like, that's
really how long because it's, I

452
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,320
would love for somebody to do an
analysis and say, and like, look

453
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,620
at the waves that happened
during the social media

454
00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:18,720
experiment of 2008 to 2020.
Where you know, it, everybody

455
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,530
joined then everybody, you know,
thought it was great. Then all

456
00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:25,620
this in certain people, certain
groups started beginning d

457
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:29,670
platformed. Other groups began
to do canceling other in, it's

458
00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:35,010
like, you just see this shift,
this shifting monster that the

459
00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:38,880
thing became, and I guess, I
guess it's been on my mind, just

460
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:45,300
because I saw was Steve and of
the war room, got the platform,

461
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,800
that podcast and got d
platformed. Off Spotify. And,

462
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,350
you know, I started looking
around because I was thinking,

463
00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:55,590
Well, I mean, you know, we talk
about deep platforming. That's

464
00:28:55,590 --> 00:29:00,930
one of the missions of the index
to preserve free speech in some

465
00:29:00,930 --> 00:29:04,470
way. Well, I'm maybe I can go
listen to see what he said to

466
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:08,280
get himself to platform. And I
couldn't find it. Like, I can

467
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,670
tell you exactly what he did.
Well, there's no clip anywhere.

468
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:15,270
It's like he's been he's been so
deep platformed that you can't

469
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:18,990
even find. I mean, like, last
day, there's no clip. I mean, I

470
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:23,160
could have listened to it. I
don't know what the word okay.

471
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,590
50 episodes a day. Yeah, no,

472
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:29,070
I understand what you're saying.
In other words, even the

473
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:34,110
offending words that he had
uttered had been also had also

474
00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:39,210
been pushed down, removed, taken
away. You can't even find it.

475
00:29:39,210 --> 00:29:39,990
That's what you're saying.

476
00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:43,350
Yeah, you can't. The only way to
find a clip would have been to

477
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:47,250
listen to every episode that
within a certain time range,

478
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:50,520
right. And the guy evidently has
no other job but but that so

479
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,890
he's to be putting out like 20
hours of content a day and I

480
00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:56,670
can't like I can't do this.
Yeah, I was looking. I was

481
00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:58,500
looking for like somebody
clipped it where you could

482
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,470
listen to what he said to try To
get a context of it, you know,

483
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,170
if I had the soundbite tag, at
my discretion I could actually

484
00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:12,570
play we get couldn't. Couldn't I
also insert a separate URL from

485
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:16,740
a different mp3 with a with a
timecode. And the length? You my

486
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:17,430
own need,

487
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,960
not for the sound bite. No, it's
only like a it's only like a

488
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,320
sound bite of the of the
enclosure, the main enclosure,

489
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:29,730
because there it's a relative
value. Yeah, okay, I got you.

490
00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:34,140
Yeah, well, I can tell you what
he said just out of interest.

491
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:36,930
Okay, he was talking about
Fauci, can you say?

492
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,240
Can you say it when Steve Bannon
voices?

493
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:45,210
Ah, gosh, I've never really
done. I've never done a Bannon

494
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:46,350
voice but it's a

495
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:49,350
how you would do it?

496
00:30:49,409 --> 00:30:52,229
I don't think I can do I'd have
to hear him? I have to hear him.

497
00:30:52,229 --> 00:30:56,099
I can't do but, you know,
pretend that you look like

498
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,540
him. God

499
00:30:58,860 --> 00:30:59,520
Fauci, I

500
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,300
tell you Fauci. We got to get
his head on a stick his head on

501
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,630
a stick. What happened to Fauci
toe? Is that, you know, it's

502
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:07,260
like, please,

503
00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:08,250
he can't say that.

504
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Yeah. Oh, please. So that became
he literally threatened to cut

505
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,040
off people's heads.

506
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:17,250
That was the accusation.

507
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:20,250
But he didn't he didn't really
threaten that. Now it's

508
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:26,550
below. Is there no sense of
like, I forget who said it, but

509
00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:31,260
some, somebody along while back
I heard I heard, referred to

510
00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:35,640
social media as the literal web.
And that that's what this is,

511
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,290
like. It's the literal web. It's
like, people don't understand

512
00:31:40,290 --> 00:31:41,850
metaphor they do in

513
00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:43,140
jokes, irony.

514
00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:46,740
Yeah. Either willfully, or but
but

515
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:52,770
unfortunately, that, um, and,
you know, we are way off topic,

516
00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:55,650
but unfortunately, I think this
is no, no, no, no, not at all.

517
00:31:56,190 --> 00:32:00,270
It's a big reason of why we're
doing this. It's in this case,

518
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:05,310
that's most likely politically
motivated. He, you know, he was

519
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:12,030
a big part of Trump's first
team. And, you know, obviously,

520
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:16,740
he's, he's the guy who has been
touting the laptop from hell

521
00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:20,940
hunter Biden's laptop. And so
it's political. And once it's

522
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:26,130
political, then it's very easy
for the huge power forces to

523
00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:29,340
come into work, mainly
advertisers and corporations

524
00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:33,300
that, that just don't want any
of that around, you know, it's

525
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,800
easy, and they have huge
swinging ding dongs as it were

526
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,930
to, you know, full of money that
they can, you know, pull away

527
00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:46,530
from a company or, you know,
whatever to get what they feel

528
00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:50,310
is righteous. So, and that's all
fine, but it really has nothing

529
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:54,810
to do with, with anything, you
know, I we

530
00:32:55,980 --> 00:33:00,510
were there. I'll tell you the
day Exactly. Okay, this. This is

531
00:33:00,510 --> 00:33:03,780
why this came up in my mind.
Well, I have a hatred of social

532
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:09,900
media. Anyway, it's just a it's
a common rant with me. But one

533
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:14,460
of the reasons it popped into my
mind was that I saw the pod news

534
00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:17,820
newsletter, I think from this
morning, maybe yesterday

535
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:23,610
morning, and the first little
item was the pod, it says, the

536
00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:26,370
podcast listening habits of 13
to 34 year olds have been

537
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:30,840
highlighted, blah, blah, blah.
And I started trying to start

538
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,330
thinking to myself, you know, I
have three kids, a 19 year old,

539
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:42,420
a 17 year old and a 10 year old.
I was like, dude, none of them

540
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:46,170
listen to podcasts. And none of
their friends listen to

541
00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:49,650
podcasts, really. And I started
thinking, you know, I don't know

542
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:55,410
a single person younger than 25
that listens to podcasts. And it

543
00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:59,130
started making me think Is there
like a Is there a cliff? Is

544
00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:04,290
there like a podcast age Cliff
that's coming? I don't know

545
00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:07,170
anybody this young and I
actually know quite a few young

546
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:10,680
people because my kids have
friends and go to school and all

547
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,990
stuff. None of them listen to
podcasts.

548
00:34:13,170 --> 00:34:18,570
Interesting. Yeah, it is weird.
Well, I don't know what to say

549
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:21,570
about that. Because I just don't
know the numbers. You know, when

550
00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:27,930
when we talk about Gen Z. Or the
Zoomers, on no agenda. We get a

551
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:32,040
lot of notes from 2324 year
olds. So they're definitely

552
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,280
listening but that mean, it's
the curve probably doesn't start

553
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,830
until after mid 20s. You
probably right?

554
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,420
Yeah, a bit. It's a bit it's
real, a bit the listenership of,

555
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:45,000
of 25 and under is pretty small,

556
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:50,640
which which makes it so
interesting. How podcasting is

557
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,660
such a desirable audience, such
an engaged audience and audience

558
00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:57,660
that can be quote, unquote,
activated to do many, many

559
00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:01,860
things. Really an advertiser's
Dream the relationship between a

560
00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:07,230
podcaster and a podcast
audience. But the exact nature

561
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:13,140
of the decentralized system that
we build and have been using is

562
00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:16,710
the entire reason why it is
actually incompatible with

563
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:21,120
advertising with online
advertising because there's zero

564
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:26,220
effective true way to measure
listenership downloads does not

565
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:30,810
equal listenership. And I've
actually as, as I've been doing

566
00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:34,350
a little more investigating
myself into the evolution of

567
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,760
hosting companies and, and ad
technology. There's a lot a lot

568
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,790
of tracking going on in
podcasting that I was unaware

569
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:45,090
of.

570
00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:48,330
Yeah, really bad. Ya know, it's
really

571
00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:52,200
it's really, and they don't call
it tracking, they call it to

572
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,560
attribution. It's a cooler,
actually attribution, which is

573
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,740
another word for we know who you
are attribution.

574
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,340
Did you see the Did you see the
other thing that was about?

575
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,230
Let's see if I can find it here.
It was, basically, there's some

576
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:16,230
company out there that has, and
I'm sure this is nothing new.

577
00:36:16,530 --> 00:36:20,940
But they've like mapped out all
the IP space. And they're doing

578
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:27,660
associations between Yeah, here
it is. Tap ID T. ap ad. It says

579
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:34,350
Experian has bought tap ID for
$280 million. Pot sites,

580
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,380
describes them this way a number
of providers have sprung up in

581
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:41,100
the last decade offering massive
databases of every household IP

582
00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:44,760
meta identifiers they have seen
at that IP.

583
00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:48,060
Oh, sure. Sure. That doesn't
surprise me.

584
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,680
I'm sure that's not new. But I
bet you there's so much content

585
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,810
to do associations now. Yeah,
like, the ipv4 space is small

586
00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:00,450
enough now, we used to think 4
billion addresses. It's like,

587
00:37:00,450 --> 00:37:03,420
Oh, my God. You know, that's too
much. You can't do anything with

588
00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:06,000
that. Well, I mean, 4 billion,
you can scan the whole internet

589
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,040
with a tool like mass scan in
like an hour and a half. So me,

590
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,090
I bet you

591
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:15,720
I remember the days when we had
an actual printed yellow pages

592
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:21,150
of the internet. I still have a
copy. Shut up, grandpa? Oh,

593
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,670
no, I just think that there's
there's going to be a time when,

594
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:30,030
like, they don't even need, they
don't even need all these tricks

595
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:34,320
anymore. Like the tracking
pixels and the emails and, you

596
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,750
know, all these kinds of stuffs
like, Well, we know that you

597
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:39,360
downloaded it from this IP. So
we already know who you are. So

598
00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:40,290
whatever.

599
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,620
Yeah, I was just surprised and
and, and it gave me even more

600
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:52,290
insight into the incredible
challenge. Spotify is taken on

601
00:37:52,290 --> 00:37:58,080
and you know, all power to them.
But I'm real happy over here. I

602
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,020
think Thirdly, we're doing some
some fun stuff. And with a

603
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:04,470
really fun group of people. We
were talking about the hosting

604
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:08,670
companies. And obviously, we
need hosting companies to do

605
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:13,530
adopt these tags, although I
think buzzsprout is pretty far

606
00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:17,220
right. They have did they
incorporate sound bite yet?

607
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:18,390
Because I think they have
everything.

608
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:21,630
Oh, yeah, they've got
everything. the only the only

609
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:27,870
piece that they're missing
really is on the chapter side,

610
00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:30,180
they need to add image URLs.

611
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:32,640
But right Yeah, right. Right.

612
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:35,940
Cool. Yeah, I think they support
they support everything.

613
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,470
Fantastic. And it's interesting
because well if you want to if

614
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:47,070
you want to get into that the
let's see me pull up my notes

615
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:53,940
here. Did you get that that clip
that I sent? Oh yeah, I do. Play

616
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:56,790
it. Too many podcasts.

617
00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:02,310
That was that was from yesterday
devore ak telling me how many

618
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:05,370
podcasts there were like now
you're not exactly right, bro.

619
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:11,610
So I've been I've been asked air
I've been wondering for a while

620
00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:16,050
how many like some of these some
of these hosting statistics and

621
00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:20,730
I can say this because you
mentioned buzzsprout if you look

622
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:26,010
so in in the index, the num
based purely on number of feeds.

623
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:31,320
The ranking goes like this
anchor obviously number one. We

624
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:38,910
have them at 640,000 roughly
feeds soundcloud. 101,000

625
00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:49,020
buzzsprout. Those number
350 6557 Lipson 55,000, pod bean

626
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:53,430
51,000 and spreaker 50,000.
That's how that's how we have

627
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:55,560
them have them listed. And I
know we're meaning that we're

628
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,000
missing fields, but that's not
but that's that's the way we

629
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,730
Have them listed that seems to
match up with what everybody

630
00:40:02,730 --> 00:40:06,990
else is showing as well. But the
interesting thing to me is if

631
00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:12,030
you look at how many how many
podcasts have have published in

632
00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:14,820
the last 90 days, and that's
specifically on anchor side? Mm

633
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:19,260
hmm. It's like 25%. Oh, yeah,

634
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,360
that's very, very Yeah.

635
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,920
That in that, that tells me
that, you know, just size

636
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,440
doesn't really get you doesn't

637
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:32,910
reach Exactly. It's not the size
of the ocean. It's the motion.

638
00:40:34,590 --> 00:40:37,740
Let me send you. And that's
funny, too, because let me send

639
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,070
you this email. I looked up I
was trying to I was like, What

640
00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:45,330
is the internet say are the
biggest podcast hosts? So I just

641
00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:50,670
did a search for in Google and I
sent you that email. And I just

642
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:54,870
typed in to Google biggest
podcast hosts. And it's funny

643
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:57,450
what it brought back I see Joe
screenshot.

644
00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:58,890
I'm looking I'm looking for it.

645
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:05,280
That anyway, I think that I
think just pure you know, pure

646
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,400
size. I don't think

647
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:17,730
Google gave you that. So search
was biggest podcast hosts. And

648
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:23,010
yes, the the first link is the
31st that 31 best podcast

649
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:28,260
hosting platforms. But above
that is a strip of pictures of

650
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:32,970
podcasters with myself at the
first pole position with six

651
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:40,650
foot 510 comes is the W Kamau
Bell with six foot four Scott

652
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:44,370
Ackerman comes in close behind
at six foot three Steven Crowder

653
00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:47,430
at six foot two. Yes. Ladies and
gentlemen, the pod father not

654
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:52,890
only the prototype podcaster he
is the pot the tallest podcaster

655
00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:53,580
of them all.

656
00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:57,390
Yeah. And the title of that is
podcast broadcasters by height.

657
00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:57,660
That's

658
00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:58,260
nuts.

659
00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:02,490
And I didn't realize Ira Glass
was as tall as he was bringing

660
00:42:02,490 --> 00:42:06,480
this up. He's bringing up the
NPR love when you get three

661
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,050
inches on him.

662
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:12,900
Yeah, aha, many jokes I could
make we we will not

663
00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:17,130
weigh that. I just thought that
I thought, Well, for one reason,

664
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:20,760
because buzzsprout just passed
lips. And as far as number of

665
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:25,770
number of feeds. But I still got
some I still got some

666
00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:29,790
verification of these numbers to
do and to make sure that they're

667
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:32,610
that they're accurate before I
just start publishing anything.

668
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:38,490
But I think just looking through
preliminary, it's interesting to

669
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:42,480
see how many act how many of
feeds, these people these

670
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,540
hosting companies have, versus
how many are actively being

671
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:50,460
published. Right. Right. And,
and there's some clear, there's

672
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:54,510
some clear patterns here. And
even though, and I think it's

673
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:58,170
probably got to do with free
also running because anchors

674
00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:01,230
free, and you get there's no
barrier to entry. So you're just

675
00:43:01,230 --> 00:43:04,620
gonna pop on there, do it do a
show. When something's free, you

676
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:04,890
don't.

677
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:08,190
Right? You don't care that much
about it. But what's, you know,

678
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:15,570
the forces that will take place
now, and I'm going to start I

679
00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:19,530
would say on Sundays, no agenda,
I want to get an okay from

680
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:25,590
David. I want to solicit people
to to get hyper capture, and

681
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,210
then use it to cook to create
chapters. I'd love to point to

682
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:36,180
other community based systems as
well, obviously. But what's

683
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:40,230
going to happen, there's going
to be a poll from podcasters,

684
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:45,570
who want these features. And the
more apps that have this, the

685
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:49,470
more the demand, the higher the
demand will build will be. And

686
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:52,320
so if you're in the hosting
business, if you need any help,

687
00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:56,340
let us know because it's going
to come real fast. And I'm

688
00:43:56,340 --> 00:43:59,670
already seeing people saying,
oh, how do I move my feet?

689
00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:01,860
Because I want to go to
somewhere where they actually

690
00:44:01,860 --> 00:44:04,200
have everything that works with
this new stuff?

691
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,020
Yes, I've gotten notes from
quite a few people this week.

692
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,010
That are they're wondering how
to put this stuff in. And in

693
00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:14,820
that that's, and I think
powerpress will help a lot.

694
00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:17,460
Because there's a lot there's
way more people out there that

695
00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:18,690
are self hosting on

696
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:21,030
powerpress. Implementing the
tags.

697
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,600
Yeah, yeah, they're there as
part of this part of blueberry

698
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:27,540
bro. Okay, good. Yeah. And I
think there's a lot, there's

699
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:30,090
just a lot more of those than I
thought there were of people who

700
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:31,470
are self hosting. I can see

701
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:32,640
why Yeah, it's

702
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,610
an easy way to do it. And you
retain your branding and your

703
00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:39,540
content and all that stuff. It
just makes sense. You know, that

704
00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:41,730
I think that'll that'll be a big
deal because there's a lot of

705
00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:47,820
those people as well. may win.
That's, that's, I think, I think

706
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:49,830
for phase two, as far as
bringing it back to the

707
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:54,630
namespace. I would like to focus
on those tags, really. I mean,

708
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:57,570
I'm not running this show.
Anybody can take it in a

709
00:44:57,570 --> 00:45:02,910
different direction, but I think
I was disappointed not to get

710
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:07,980
the person tag into phase one.
So really, I mean, if, if

711
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:13,230
nothing else, I want to get that
that tag in the location tag

712
00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:17,670
into phase two, because I think
they're just think they were

713
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:18,570
really important.

714
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,990
What is the what was the problem
with the person tag not making

715
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:22,320
it in?

716
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:29,730
What just got too complicated?
Because you the other tags that

717
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:32,760
were in phase one were sort of,
I don't want to call them low

718
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,240
hanging fruit, but they were
fairly technically simple.

719
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,070
person and location are
technically challenging. Because

720
00:45:41,070 --> 00:45:47,880
you, you really, you can't put
you're talking about about

721
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,550
attribution of, you know, who a
person is. Their role within the

722
00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:58,530
podcast, guest host right. Cast.
So I mean, we're talking about

723
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:03,780
this other thing is the sub
categories beyond host and

724
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:04,350
guest.

725
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:10,530
Yeah, like, so there's the
podcast taxonomy project is, is

726
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:13,680
part of it. There's a couple
guys at pod chaser that are

727
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:20,340
integral to that. And they've
been they've been in the names

728
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:25,710
namespace GitHub, because sort
of help helping with their input

729
00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:30,780
on that side of things. And so
they've got a whole list of

730
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:32,580
basically cast.

731
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,640
This is almost like a categories
issue again.

732
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:39,750
Yeah, it kind of is, but they've
already mapped a lot of that

733
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:42,360
out. And supposedly, they're
gonna have a draft document,

734
00:46:42,570 --> 00:46:46,050
like within a few days. And so
then if we can have something

735
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:51,240
stable there, that says, you
know, producer, sound engineer,

736
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,530
mobile, you know, all these cast
names, then we could

737
00:46:55,590 --> 00:46:58,620
so so Okay, so but that's,
that's really credits.

738
00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:01,440
credits. That's what I'm I keep
saying cast, I mean, credit

739
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:01,860
credits.

740
00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:04,260
Okay. Okay. Got it. That way,
yeah,

741
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:09,090
a way to credit. And so like 99%
of people will just use guests.

742
00:47:09,330 --> 00:47:11,610
So here's where it gets
interesting. And I recall this

743
00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:15,720
from 16 years ago, there was a
huge push in the original RSS

744
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:22,680
2.0. spec to include a show
notes tag, which was X was never

745
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,490
adopted, excluded. And that was
always understood to be a part

746
00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:31,800
of a namespace. And it I think,
maybe the that ship has sailed,

747
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,890
because it's so well understood
that that now goes in the

748
00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:40,500
description field. But it's
interesting that no, one of all

749
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:45,660
the jihadism I saw 16 years ago,
no one has really made a stand

750
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:46,950
for shownotes.

751
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:52,860
You know, it's one of those that
I'm personally conflicted on,

752
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:57,240
because I know what seems like
an obvious solution would be

753
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:01,770
have a show notes tag, and just
have it be either a link to the

754
00:48:01,770 --> 00:48:05,160
show notes or have that be in
the content in the content. But

755
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,100
then if it's in the content,
it's really no different than

756
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:13,440
description. So if you have so
but then if it's not in the

757
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,820
content, that's yet another file
that the app has to download,

758
00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:21,330
and deal with. I don't know, I
just keep going

759
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:24,180
back and forth. But the only
reason I bring it up is because

760
00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:27,960
when when we look at this person
tag, and it's expanded into

761
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:34,830
credits, that's a large part of
what I paste into the

762
00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:38,490
description field. I don't put
actual show notes in there,

763
00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:42,480
because my show notes would make
each entry about eight Meg's

764
00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:46,620
Yeah, it would. I used to, I
used to do that way, way back in

765
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:48,930
the beginning, but none, it just
became so much. There were so

766
00:48:48,930 --> 00:48:51,930
many. There's just so many
articles, etc. It just was

767
00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:57,030
crazy. Yeah. So it doesn't
bother me one way or the other.

768
00:48:57,030 --> 00:49:01,650
I understand that. Ultimately,
this is for you to be able to

769
00:49:01,650 --> 00:49:05,340
search. I guess it's like IMDb,
you know, at a certain point,

770
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:08,970
what is the importance of
knowing who the sound engineer

771
00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:12,090
was, if, if that's something you
really want to drill down to?

772
00:49:12,570 --> 00:49:14,850
I'm just not sure that all that
information needs to be in

773
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:19,470
there. But on the other hand, I
really like it, looking toward

774
00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:22,590
the future. And this is
something that came I went to

775
00:49:22,590 --> 00:49:24,780
the Austin Bitcoin meetup last
night.

776
00:49:25,290 --> 00:49:26,280
Oh, yeah. Tell me about that.

777
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:31,110
Yeah. moving toward the future.
If you have those credits, those

778
00:49:31,110 --> 00:49:37,290
credits could be easily used for
value splits.

779
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,180
Yeah. Okay.

780
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,500
And that, that is something that
a lot of people are thinking

781
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:50,520
about. They're thinking about it
in many ways, and it makes so

782
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,150
much sense if you know if you
have this list of people who

783
00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:58,410
helped put the show together,
that you split up any any value

784
00:49:58,410 --> 00:50:01,200
payments amongst those people.
Whatever the appropriate

785
00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:05,940
percentages are. Now, then you
have kind of a nice reference.

786
00:50:07,919 --> 00:50:13,799
Just without the value part,
necessarily. Just asking this as

787
00:50:13,799 --> 00:50:19,169
a straight question, if you had,
if you had a tag a person tag

788
00:50:19,169 --> 00:50:22,559
that you could label as
producer, executive producer,

789
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:29,789
would you stick those in your
feed? tags instead of just in

790
00:50:29,789 --> 00:50:31,679
the show in the show notes?
Sure. I

791
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,190
would. I mean, I don't I don't
see the benefit, but I would

792
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:41,310
sure. I mean, if it was, if
there was a real was it actually

793
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:44,190
is it's a philosophical
question. I do kind of like it.

794
00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:50,100
But to me, that's not the person
tag is a misnomer. It should be

795
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:55,650
a credits tag. That's the way to
do it. Yeah. Because then you

796
00:50:55,650 --> 00:51:01,500
could because it persons or
persons, but I think it's easier

797
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:10,140
if you have here's the the list
of titles of credits. It's hard

798
00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:12,810
man this, I mean, there's
Hollywood lists that are it's

799
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:16,530
very tight. I mean, Hollywood,
they know exactly what the

800
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:19,980
titles are, and where they
appear on the credit roll, and

801
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:24,390
what font size or what's font
size in relation to the others.

802
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:28,770
And, you know, are they allowed?
Do they get a single screen with

803
00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:31,590
their name? Or can they be
listed with five others? I mean,

804
00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:36,120
this has been hashed out over
years and years of fighting to

805
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,030
get that done. So there's prior
art but I just don't know if we

806
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:43,560
should be dragging prior art
into the new era.

807
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,220
But I think that's what the you
know, that's what the taxonomy

808
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:50,790
project is, is trying to
establish and I'm think I think

809
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:54,360
what we're trying to do with the
with the person tag or actually

810
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,580
I like credit tag better I may
propose a name change but I

811
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:03,330
mean, I think what we're trying
to do there is not necessarily

812
00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:06,960
make make it a anything required
where you have to just get

813
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,650
specific with all this kind of
jazz, you know, like 99% of the

814
00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:14,730
time you're just probably going
to end up putting post you know,

815
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:19,050
and that'll be fine right but
but also make it flexible enough

816
00:52:19,350 --> 00:52:23,070
to where if somebody wanted to
go crazy with it and try to do

817
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,670
you know and do fit you know,
their entire current you know,

818
00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:29,160
credit role in EPA they could,

819
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,520
but also just using person is
also Zena phobic Why couldn't an

820
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,910
alien and you know a person's
not an alien or an animal.

821
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:39,900
That's,

822
00:52:41,820 --> 00:52:42,450
ya know,

823
00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:47,220
phobic and hereby not supported.
It has to be a credit, though

824
00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:47,760
that we can't,

825
00:52:47,970 --> 00:52:48,870
but we can cancel

826
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:50,100
we cancel persons.

827
00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:54,150
persons to cancel. Credit. Okay.

828
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:57,210
All right. So I'd like credit
better personally. But that's

829
00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:59,880
something that anyway, that's
what this is for this show is

830
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,890
here to discuss. So I'm just

831
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:05,280
picked up on the mastodon, do
you want to thank some credits?

832
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,450
I mean, some persons.

833
00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:11,130
I just want to finish the face
to tags. And I'd love to thank

834
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:11,970
some persons.

835
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:12,660
Okay.

836
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:15,510
I can because I because the next
one was season and I wanted to

837
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:22,230
make a point about this. Okay,
that we have. I think it's

838
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:27,330
Stacey from NPR. She's She's
been on the GitHub namespace

839
00:53:27,450 --> 00:53:30,750
looking about looking into
season, something they've always

840
00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:34,920
wanted to do. They haven't
really gotten the any support

841
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,960
from any apps. And I and I think
that they're, they pop their

842
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,900
their own publisher, right. They
have their own system. They have

843
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:43,290
their own

844
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,040
publishing system. As far as I
can tell from the generator tag,

845
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,540
it looks like they post their
own stuff. Yeah.

846
00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:54,960
So here's a tremendous
opportunity for app developers.

847
00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:58,920
Let's get on this season. let's
implement the season. Let's make

848
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,070
it look really nice for whatever
NP whatever NP RS needs are. I

849
00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:10,470
personally don't i don't see the
season for me, but I totally

850
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:13,620
understand how that fits with
NPR. And what a great

851
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:15,780
opportunity. Just saying it

852
00:54:15,870 --> 00:54:20,250
in the basis of what they want
is just is a very simple change.

853
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,240
You know, in this day here
again, this gets into another

854
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:28,680
competing philosophical idea
with the namespace is well

855
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,160
there's already you know, a
seasoned tack there is named in

856
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,630
the iTunes namespace, but the
but it doesn't meet their needs.

857
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:39,690
Why doesn't do you know why?
Because it does not support

858
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:40,380
text.

859
00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:43,110
numbers. Oh, it's just a

860
00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:45,390
number. You can either you can
only have season one, season

861
00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:50,790
two, season three type of deal.
And the what they want is a

862
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:51,810
textual

863
00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:54,960
freedom free form. Do whatever
you want.

864
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,920
Yeah, they want to have they
want to have season one. not

865
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,190
show up as seen. In one, they
want to be able to name it where

866
00:55:02,190 --> 00:55:02,940
it's like

867
00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:05,550
the Bush years.

868
00:55:05,609 --> 00:55:07,619
Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah,

869
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,440
exactly. The Obama regime. Yeah,
the tragedy, the dark, the dark

870
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,170
with dark winter. Exactly.

871
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:22,470
That's, it's a simple change,
just add a text text attribute

872
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:25,380
in there, and you're done. But
you know, if you just look at it

873
00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:27,750
from, oh, you're just
duplicating that team's

874
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:29,640
namespace. And you said you
weren't going to do that. He

875
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,250
said, No, he said, don't
duplicate the existing art.

876
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,920
Well, there's a few. You know,
there's a few different ways in

877
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,170
which you have to do that.
There's no, it's not

878
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:41,160
duplication. If it's not the
same thing, it's correcting.

879
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:44,370
Yes. correcting a mistake.

880
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,350
Yeah, exactly. If it's not
meeting people's needs, you you

881
00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:52,020
do you duplicate it, and you fix
it? Yeah. And

882
00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:56,760
from a technological standpoint,
although I'm sure that people

883
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:02,070
have back end systems, depending
on the numerology version. It

884
00:56:02,070 --> 00:56:06,150
really there's no technical
reason to not just accept any

885
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:07,410
other characters, right?

886
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:11,550
Yeah, there's no, there's no
challenge to that. I mean,

887
00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:14,430
that's a simple thing, right?
And really, what's what's,

888
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:20,160
here's what, here's the way it
should go. app, Apple should

889
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,300
just say, Okay, we'll dump all
of the iTunes tags into the

890
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,480
namespace into the podcast
namespace, which change, change

891
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,290
it up and modify them however we
need to. And then let the whole

892
00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:34,920
world know that they just need
to change from iTunes, colon to

893
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,520
podcast colon, and we're done.
Yep. Well, that's not pie in

894
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,330
disguise?

895
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,410
No. Well, we'll see. We'll see.
They're not asleep over there at

896
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:47,310
Apple. But I think they're very
focused on a feeling they're

897
00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:52,350
pretty focused on creating what
you would call podcasts Plus, I

898
00:56:52,350 --> 00:56:54,870
think they're gonna do some kind
of offering like that.

899
00:56:55,350 --> 00:56:56,340
I think they have to,

900
00:56:56,759 --> 00:56:59,579
I don't think they have to at
all, I think they're foolish.

901
00:56:59,879 --> 00:57:04,019
But I think they have to from a,
from a business standpoint. I

902
00:57:04,019 --> 00:57:06,539
mean, you can't, if Spotify is
doing it, that's their main

903
00:57:06,539 --> 00:57:09,509
competitor. They they're just
like, Well, I

904
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:12,720
think it wasn't the same logic
that took away the Escape key

905
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,010
from their, their Mac. I mean,
is that is that is that how they

906
00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:19,260
were thinking that they made
those decisions to the same

907
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:22,860
logic tree? Yes, every developer
I know,

908
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,630
why do they still have the touch
bar? It's an obvious failure.

909
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:29,700
It's so bad. But

910
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,150
it's the Escape key being a
command line guy myself, it's

911
00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:36,810
like a tactile piece of goodness
that's on your keyboard, you

912
00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:39,570
know, you know where it is. You
don't have to look for it.

913
00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:42,450
Exactly where you put your
finger. So you don't touch if

914
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:44,250
you have a touchscreen, you
know, it's like, we don't want

915
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:47,820
to go too far. Yeah, but you
just, it's just yeah, it's like,

916
00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:50,940
it's that thing that's just
there. It's like a part of life.

917
00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:53,910
That was that was one huge
mistake. And

918
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,340
that's one of those things in
the nature of big companies

919
00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:58,920
where, you know, they there's
something happens and it got

920
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,290
done, and it got pushed through
the system. And then somebody

921
00:58:01,290 --> 00:58:04,890
looks at the top when it when it
gets time to actually like PR it

922
00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:08,160
and promo it and they're like,
Whoa, yeah, wait, we did this,

923
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:09,750
how did we do this. And

924
00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:12,600
that's why it's so nice to have
users and developers working

925
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,420
together on this project. I
know, I'm one of the few users

926
00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:19,020
but there are more. There are
more definitely more, we got a

927
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:22,380
whole host of buzzsprout feeds
that are coming online with

928
00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:26,070
this. So then we have the
location tag, which I see

929
00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:31,620
several use cases for I see a
nightmarish situation developing

930
00:58:31,620 --> 00:58:37,380
around what system to use for
the values.

931
00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:43,080
Well, that's been where most of
the, you know, debate has been

932
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:49,200
around this is what how do you
represent it? And that's what I

933
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,330
think we always knew that was
gonna be one of the most

934
00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:55,770
technically challenging tags.
Because, you know, everybody,

935
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:58,080
part of what makes it
challenging is everybody's got

936
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,020
an opinion. And the other part
of what makes it a challenge is

937
00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:05,670
that a lot of those opinion,
opinions are legit. And when you

938
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:08,130
have four or five different
opinions on how to do something,

939
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:12,180
and none of them are obviously
wrong, pulled in, you just got

940
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:16,740
to pick one and you know, and
hope for the best. But, you

941
00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:21,180
know, we A lot of it's going to
revolve around latitude

942
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:24,690
longitude specifications, right
in here. And here's what and

943
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:29,760
this is another thing that is
common with all these tours,

944
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,690
sorts of like standards
development type work, is your

945
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,490
you end up spending most of your
time debating about stuff that

946
00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:42,720
99% of people are not going to
use, you know, because like

947
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:48,510
there's, there's maybe, well I
say not use it, I mean, they may

948
00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:52,650
not even use the location tag at
all. But then they also if they

949
00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:56,160
do leave the location tag,
they're probably just going to

950
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:02,220
use it in its most basic form
and So you end up, you got a

951
01:00:02,220 --> 01:00:06,360
design where that basic form
that NET Core, that root thing

952
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,190
that it does is dead simple. is
dead simple to create and dead

953
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:15,750
simple to consume, because you
don't want this stuff to be so

954
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:22,380
complicated that, that it the
people can't I would say this,

955
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:29,010
okay? RSS is XML, it's a, it's a
markup language. You don't want

956
01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:31,980
this stuff to be so complicated
that you can't write it by hand,

957
01:00:32,010 --> 01:00:35,490
right? Which it already, which
is technically really already

958
01:00:35,490 --> 01:00:39,360
is, it kind of is Yeah, but the
spirit of it needs to be such

959
01:00:39,390 --> 01:00:42,180
that you could write it by hand,
if you needed to, that doesn't

960
01:00:42,180 --> 01:00:45,030
mean that anybody's going to do
it. Well, it means that it

961
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:46,350
that's what it's supposed to be

962
01:00:46,379 --> 01:00:50,639
called throw my hat into the
ring. Okay, on on location, and

963
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:55,199
I can see reasons to you, if I
were to use the location tag, I

964
01:00:55,199 --> 01:01:00,929
would probably use something
that showed me as being probably

965
01:01:00,929 --> 01:01:05,489
near downtown Austin. So if
anyone wanted to find out what

966
01:01:05,489 --> 01:01:08,579
podcasts are produced in Austin,
I would not put my actual

967
01:01:08,579 --> 01:01:13,919
location. But what I what I find
as a creator, that can be done

968
01:01:13,919 --> 01:01:17,519
pretty much everywhere. And I
know that my phone understands

969
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:20,699
this, I know that I can put it
into Google Maps, and it

970
01:01:20,699 --> 01:01:24,719
understands this. And I have in
my right in front of me on the

971
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:27,989
freedom controller, which is
always I get a big kick out of

972
01:01:27,989 --> 01:01:32,399
this. I have my IP address shows
up and I click on that, and it

973
01:01:32,399 --> 01:01:36,989
shows me my shows me my zip
code, it shows me my city, it

974
01:01:36,989 --> 01:01:41,669
shows me my latitude and
longitude. And I think if I chop

975
01:01:41,669 --> 01:01:47,519
off six digits, off of those
numbers, then I think that would

976
01:01:47,549 --> 01:01:50,699
make the resolution fuzzy enough
so that you can't pinpoint me

977
01:01:50,699 --> 01:01:54,839
exactly. But it's right there,
it's very easy for me to

978
01:01:54,839 --> 01:01:58,529
retrieve my actual latitude and
longitude. And I could do that

979
01:01:58,769 --> 01:02:02,999
with my phone. You could anybody
can retrieve that information,

980
01:02:02,999 --> 01:02:05,789
quite simply, I think you could
probably even do it in a Google

981
01:02:05,789 --> 01:02:09,959
search, if you have your
location services turned on. So

982
01:02:09,959 --> 01:02:14,339
that seems like a super easy way
for anybody, not which also the

983
01:02:14,339 --> 01:02:18,149
reverse is true, that you can as
a hosting company, you can say,

984
01:02:18,329 --> 01:02:20,969
give me a zip code and address.
And I'll pin it to that. And

985
01:02:20,969 --> 01:02:24,359
I'll just enter the latitude
longitude, there's a million

986
01:02:24,359 --> 01:02:25,709
services that do that.

987
01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:30,360
The most recent sort of not
debate that the most recent is

988
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:33,810
back and forth on that has been
whether or not to require a

989
01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:39,450
location like a string, whether
or not to say, you know, like

990
01:02:39,570 --> 01:02:44,100
us, like a locate, like locality
and a country code, because

991
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:48,240
initially, we had it where
location was an was a locality

992
01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:54,090
and a country code. And then,
well, locality or country and or

993
01:02:54,090 --> 01:02:57,330
country code. And then latitude
longitude was also an optional

994
01:02:57,330 --> 01:02:59,460
spec that you could put in and
say if you'd like, more

995
01:02:59,460 --> 01:03:00,000
specific, I'm

996
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:00,810
okay with that.

997
01:03:01,830 --> 01:03:06,570
But then, some people have were
like, well, should should Latino

998
01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:10,020
should it be? Should it just be
largely longitude because you

999
01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:13,020
can just make it may be more
complicated to do it the other

1000
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:15,840
way in latitude longitude can
give you most of what you need,

1001
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:20,400
at the resolution that you want.
So they say that's just a just

1002
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,530
goes back and forth. And, and

1003
01:03:22,589 --> 01:03:25,229
I'm sure you will make a wise
decision, Dave.

1004
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,150
I hope it's not me that made
that decision with somebody

1005
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:33,840
else. Because I don't want to I
don't want that. But I mean, I

1006
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,810
think but I do think it's I do
think it's a great idea, because

1007
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:40,440
you would it would help you. And
I can tell you, I can show you

1008
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,790
exactly why it's a great idea.
Somebody emailed me the guy from

1009
01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:47,340
Kazakhstan that we talked about
that didn't know donation last

1010
01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:52,830
last week. Yep. He he's wanting
to build a cosmic Stan podcast

1011
01:03:52,830 --> 01:03:57,690
search engine. And we've emailed
about it and he's like, but you

1012
01:03:57,690 --> 01:04:01,320
know, the cut, it could be the
languages could either be

1013
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,390
Kazakhstan, Kazakhstani or
Russian. Mm hmm. And so you

1014
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:10,530
can't you can't just limit it to
language. And you can't limit it

1015
01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:14,490
to just a k A k z domain but
don't

1016
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,040
just enter Caliphate and it pops
up. Yeah, yeah.

1017
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:29,310
Does CP TLD you can't like you
just got oil as well. I

1018
01:04:30,270 --> 01:04:33,210
can't you just follow hunter
Biden and then your lead right

1019
01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:35,400
to Kazakhstan. I don't
understand the problem.

1020
01:04:36,540 --> 01:04:39,930
If you did, please don't do
that. Don't Don't Google that.

1021
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,570
You'll end up black bag. Yeah.
There's your There's your thing.

1022
01:04:45,570 --> 01:04:50,400
Like you can't. There's nothing
to Kion that tells you anything.

1023
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,320
So but if you had the location
tag, you could. You could just

1024
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,310
easily say okay, well all of
these podcasts originate from

1025
01:04:59,310 --> 01:05:02,340
cows. It doesn't have to give
you your street address. I mean,

1026
01:05:02,490 --> 01:05:07,320
it could just be kazakstan the
whole country, you know? Yeah,

1027
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:11,970
I think just the simplest known
systems, you know, it's like,

1028
01:05:11,970 --> 01:05:19,050
yeah, I think city, city, state,
country, and then longitude,

1029
01:05:19,050 --> 01:05:21,390
latitude, make it optional.
Whatever you want to pick, it's

1030
01:05:21,450 --> 01:05:25,830
all optional, I presume. And you
can, you can pick and choose

1031
01:05:25,830 --> 01:05:28,740
whatever you want to want to be
included in the Kazakhstani

1032
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:32,460
index, then you have to enter
your country code appropriately.

1033
01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:36,300
Yeah. So since I just do a
couple options, there doesn't

1034
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:37,680
have to be either or.

1035
01:05:38,189 --> 01:05:42,809
I mean, I think I think we're, I
think we're most of the way

1036
01:05:42,809 --> 01:05:46,769
there on location. And in person
slash credit, we just got to get

1037
01:05:47,909 --> 01:05:49,799
just get to get that last mile.
Well, I'm

1038
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,730
glad I'm glad he's doing. He's
doing something because there's

1039
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:57,780
a lot of people that pop up and
say, Oh, I'd love this. You

1040
01:05:57,780 --> 01:06:00,300
know, and what that means. I'd
love for someone out there to

1041
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:02,790
create an app that does that
utilizing this that doesn't

1042
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:08,340
exist yet. So yeah, that's,
that's my spiel here.

1043
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,810
When when somebody goes up to
the pastor is like, Hey, I

1044
01:06:12,810 --> 01:06:16,080
really wish that there was this
there was this ministry in the

1045
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,780
church, and you know, the
pastor's like, great. Go ahead

1046
01:06:18,780 --> 01:06:22,200
and do it now. Oh, wait, what?
Yeah, me? Yeah,

1047
01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:23,340
exactly.

1048
01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:28,020
Yeah, I think that's where we're
at. Okay, I think we can get it

1049
01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:30,960
done. I don't see why we can't
get I don't

1050
01:06:31,290 --> 01:06:33,930
see why we could either. And
then we have my favorite Of

1051
01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:35,220
course, the value block.

1052
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:37,080
Yep. You know,

1053
01:06:37,379 --> 01:06:40,859
or what are the what are the
discussions around the value

1054
01:06:40,859 --> 01:06:42,929
block? Because it seems pretty
straightforward.

1055
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,470
I don't think there's really any
discussion about me, Brian brown

1056
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:53,370
of London, he's, he's trying to
work to get it adapted to other

1057
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:54,990
coins. hive, or

1058
01:06:55,319 --> 01:06:58,169
he did it. Is he needed any
changes for that? Or is he

1059
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:02,850
if he if he does, he hadn't said
he hadn't shared it? Okay. I

1060
01:07:02,850 --> 01:07:06,660
mean, a thing is fairly
straightforward. I mean, there's

1061
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:10,110
really not a whole lot of stuff
he can change there.

1062
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,260
So I discussed all this
yesterday at the last night at

1063
01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:18,060
the Austin Bitcoin meetup. Which
was, yes, I was invited by Ryan

1064
01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:22,140
Gentry. Who is the I don't want
to get his title wrong. I think

1065
01:07:22,140 --> 01:07:25,080
he's vice president or Senior
Vice President of Business

1066
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,340
Development at lightning labs.
And it was it's kind of funky

1067
01:07:29,340 --> 01:07:33,060
because this place on East Fifth
Street, which is, you know,

1068
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:37,530
downtown Austin with the, with
the original lockdowns and then

1069
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:42,930
some of the we did have a couple
BLM marches, which got a little

1070
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,720
a little messy the first time
around, there's more graffiti

1071
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:46,230
and just

1072
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,130
destruction one day, right? It
didn't, didn't get Yeah,

1073
01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:54,270
that was there. Two things. As a
side note in Austin, two things

1074
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:59,130
that are interesting. One is you
know, there was a Black Lives

1075
01:07:59,130 --> 01:08:08,160
Matter rally and one of the
protesters had a ar 15. And they

1076
01:08:08,190 --> 01:08:11,250
did what you've probably seen on
the news, they surrounded a car

1077
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,400
and the guy with the AR 15
walked up to the person's

1078
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,750
window, raised his raised his
barrel, and he did it to the

1079
01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:25,470
wrong person. And the guy in the
car, I think he's off duty or

1080
01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:30,180
active military. T immediately.
He's sitting away fired. And he

1081
01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:35,970
called the police right away.
And he's, he's, you know, self

1082
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:40,620
defense. And I stopped stops,
that stopped all the bullcrap in

1083
01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:44,340
Austin. That and the horses,
which I thought was really cute.

1084
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,760
When there was Yeah, there was a
smaller group and they were

1085
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,430
trying to raise a ruckus and
they were blocking off the

1086
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:55,620
street. And then the Austin PD
came in the Mounted Police and,

1087
01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,030
and what it does to a lot of
these 20 year old kids is it's a

1088
01:09:00,030 --> 01:09:03,480
brain freeze because they look
at the horse and like, well, but

1089
01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:06,720
that's animal cruelty. And then
all sudden, this two and a half

1090
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,900
thousand thousand pound beast
comes over and starts pushing

1091
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:14,790
you along and you will respond
very well to this horse. If

1092
01:09:14,790 --> 01:09:17,730
you've ever been next to a Ryan
horse nutrition, you have no

1093
01:09:17,730 --> 01:09:22,290
idea it's they are badass and I
grew up in the 70s in the

1094
01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:26,520
Netherlands where there was a
lot of anarchist riots. And man

1095
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,120
when they brought in the the
horses, people disperse. They

1096
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,460
don't want you don't want to
mess with the horses. I never

1097
01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:35,190
thought about that having having
an animal versus some sort of

1098
01:09:35,190 --> 01:09:37,980
technological you know, these
horses, not animals,

1099
01:09:37,980 --> 01:09:41,820
man. They're tanks these things
were crazy. So anyway, so it was

1100
01:09:41,820 --> 01:09:45,990
this boarded up part of East 53
which is downtown dark no lights

1101
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:49,380
at all. And I'm like, you know
what's gonna happen this is the

1102
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,830
perfect scam come to my Bitcoin
meetup. I'm gonna get shipped

1103
01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:56,220
here on Fifth Street and you
know, bleed out on the sidewalk.

1104
01:09:56,490 --> 01:09:57,870
They're gonna steal your public
key

1105
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,100
Yeah. So that's funny.

1106
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:06,390
Um,

1107
01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:12,570
then but actually, Ryan Ryan
found me so and it was I think

1108
01:10:12,570 --> 01:10:17,460
it was at unchained capital,
which is a multi SIG blockchain

1109
01:10:17,460 --> 01:10:20,130
company. So they're working on
multiple signatures for

1110
01:10:20,130 --> 01:10:24,000
releasing ads. All these are all
Bitcoin are mainly I would say

1111
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,620
Bitcoin developers, there's
about 2025 of them. And

1112
01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:32,250
I heard an interview with the
unchained capital guys on I

1113
01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:33,690
forget his podcast that was

1114
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,100
probably DC.

1115
01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:38,820
Yeah, no, no, it was some some
other one. But they they were

1116
01:10:39,780 --> 01:10:41,880
seemed like pretty cool. Pretty
cool guys again, interesting

1117
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:42,510
business model.

1118
01:10:42,930 --> 01:10:47,700
Yeah. Well, it was, it was all
super nice, very, very smart

1119
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:51,660
people. And, you know, and so I
got a little introduction, I and

1120
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:55,590
I went through kind of my, I've
got down to 20 minutes now I can

1121
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,370
pitch all the way up to, to the
value for value lightning

1122
01:10:59,370 --> 01:11:03,810
payments for starting 16 years
ago, man. Yeah. So that that

1123
01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:10,020
were pretty well. A lot of
interest. It, I think there were

1124
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:15,840
some brain freezing going on,
because the nature of Bitcoin

1125
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,370
developers is to have absolute
security, you can't be sending

1126
01:11:20,370 --> 01:11:23,520
something, you know, like, it's
in your wallet. And if you know,

1127
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,320
you don't have a, you know,
explicit reason for a payment,

1128
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,540
like there was a lot of security
based stuff

1129
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:34,830
get, like, you're gonna put what
in an RSS feed? I know

1130
01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:38,760
exactly, exactly. But there was
also a lot of Holy crap. That's,

1131
01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:43,350
that's a very cool way to do it.
And it's, it appears that our

1132
01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:49,170
multi payment concept has really
sparked some actual development

1133
01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:54,750
in the lightning protocols to
enable that in a little more

1134
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:56,730
native fashion.

1135
01:11:57,420 --> 01:11:58,710
Oh, really? That's interesting.

1136
01:11:58,770 --> 01:12:01,800
Yeah. Which I'm sure will be
backwards compatible into what

1137
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,780
we're doing. But it was nice to
hear that. Um, then. So after my

1138
01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:09,990
20 minutes, and then they
started just presenting stuff

1139
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:16,650
about lightning and Bitcoin. And
holy crap. These guys are deep.

1140
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:19,650
Well, yeah,

1141
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,000
they're on a different level.
Well,

1142
01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:24,630
let me see. So if you have a UX
t O's, and those are ready to

1143
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:27,600
go, but you want to put it into
the pool, so that you can

1144
01:12:27,630 --> 01:12:28,560
obviously as like,

1145
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,100
you just checked out and you
started looking at your plan,

1146
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:34,650
and was like, yeah, I'm really
excited about taproot. And I'm

1147
01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:40,320
like, I'm like in the corner
there Google route. So they're

1148
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,700
they're working on a lot of the
core of Bitcoin, but it was nice

1149
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:49,890
to meet everybody. Amazing to
meet two people in the same room

1150
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:52,770
in Texas, whose first name is
Parker. I didn't think that was

1151
01:12:52,770 --> 01:12:56,490
possible. And both of them looks
like harkers. They were great.

1152
01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,000
This is great. Your partner your
partner, you're both Parker.

1153
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,980
Okay. Yeah, then we went out to
a little barbecue and, and

1154
01:13:04,980 --> 01:13:13,650
chatted with the, with Ryan, a
bit more. And yeah, he's, it was

1155
01:13:13,650 --> 01:13:19,980
very interesting to see Ryan
actually promoting what we're

1156
01:13:19,980 --> 01:13:24,210
doing more than I am a he was
going around showing everybody

1157
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:27,690
the tribes on spinx chat, and he
said, Look, here's how the SATs

1158
01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:32,040
flow in. And it was just like,
Wow, we had to send him a box of

1159
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,010
candies once in a while he was
really, really pitching art.

1160
01:13:35,190 --> 01:13:39,720
Well, he also told me that it's
most likely, at this moment, not

1161
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,400
by value amount, but by
transaction amount, that we are

1162
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,940
a little group here with animal
rehab, six podcasts, seven

1163
01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:51,660
podcasts that are no value block
enabled, that we're probably

1164
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:55,560
responsible for the majority of
lightning payments on the

1165
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,940
network today. Are you key?
Yeah, yes, yes.

1166
01:14:00,450 --> 01:14:03,060
Okay. So that's what I told
somebody on. That's what I told

1167
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:06,660
him in the tstc tribe the other
day, I was like, Well, you know,

1168
01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:09,660
some may have been yesterday,
somebody was talking about how

1169
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:13,170
some kind of use case there, you
know, this is like, gonna be the

1170
01:14:13,170 --> 01:14:16,410
perfect use case. So the thing
I'm local, to me, podcasting is

1171
01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:19,230
the perfect use case for
lightning payments. I mean,

1172
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:22,740
like, if what's needed is to
drive traffic onto the lightning

1173
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:24,690
network. I mean, like it's done.

1174
01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:26,640
Exactly.

1175
01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:31,350
I mean, I can't imagine that and
I think I mentioned I think I

1176
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:34,230
had asked this question was
before, let's just say that you

1177
01:14:34,230 --> 01:14:38,790
get 150 podcasts that are
sending lightning payments. Do

1178
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:41,460
we know that the lightning
network can handle that much

1179
01:14:41,460 --> 01:14:42,240
Keystone traffic?

1180
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,540
Well, thank you for asking
because this comes down to the

1181
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:51,210
HDL C's that go right back to
the UT stos. Okay,

1182
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:53,160
you got Okay, that makes perfect
sense.

1183
01:14:53,940 --> 01:14:57,630
There, well, okay. So this, this
brings in another another

1184
01:14:57,630 --> 01:15:03,330
important point. So The way this
works is with these nodes. And

1185
01:15:03,330 --> 01:15:09,060
so for a while, we were just
using my my raspy Blitz, which

1186
01:15:09,060 --> 01:15:12,750
is a ready made package,
essentially Raspberry Pi with

1187
01:15:12,780 --> 01:15:16,230
all the bits and bobs into it.
And it's simple enough for me to

1188
01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:20,760
set up. We were using that for
the index, when you're getting,

1189
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:29,100
like 10 payments a minute. And
those payments come pretty much

1190
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:31,680
within each other within the
same time frame, I could see

1191
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,160
that I could see the CPU load go
up, and of course it would have

1192
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:40,320
to. So I don't know how that
scales. I really don't. But at

1193
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,880
the same time, we have two
fantastic developments. And then

1194
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,090
we should probably circle back
into exactly what you know, what

1195
01:15:48,090 --> 01:15:50,670
what we need and where we're
going with this back shall lead

1196
01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:55,980
into it. At the same time, we
have a community of Bitcoin

1197
01:15:55,980 --> 01:16:00,930
podcasting, people coming
together. So in this group, we

1198
01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,910
have savingstar chat, which is
just say, Paul, and mainly but

1199
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:08,460
of course, Evan and there's
other people who work there. And

1200
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:09,420
and they're really,

1201
01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:11,940
really Gonzalo, right, because

1202
01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:16,770
they're really, really doing a
great job in the tribes, helping

1203
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:20,400
people supporting people. I
think we've all gotten into the

1204
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,070
habit of once in a while just
throwing a boost out there just

1205
01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:24,510
to get everyone's attention.

1206
01:16:24,929 --> 01:16:28,229
Yes, it's funny how these little
standards develop? Yeah. Oh,

1207
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:28,559
yeah, it's

1208
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,200
beautiful. The standards are
these cool, you know, the the

1209
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,080
numerology of it all. And so
that, yeah,

1210
01:16:34,110 --> 01:16:36,630
sometimes I noticed that
somebody hasn't dropped, like,

1211
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,120
and somebody hasn't had a new
episode in a while, because

1212
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,160
they'll boost Adam just to get
you to give him some.

1213
01:16:41,490 --> 01:16:47,160
So the system that Sphinx chat
uses, and the way they've built

1214
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,810
architecture, their systems
everybody has, has a node. And

1215
01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:55,740
you know, provisioning those and
getting them up and running. And

1216
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,370
keeping that infrastructure
running at scale is something

1217
01:16:59,370 --> 01:17:02,070
that they're, you know, they're
working on and figuring out how

1218
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:06,540
to do that in the most efficient
way. Also, in this group, as I

1219
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:13,980
mentioned, is Ryan, and through
Paul, maybe Paul, and Orion, we

1220
01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:20,340
have Graham, and Graham runs the
voltage voltage.io.

1221
01:17:20,849 --> 01:17:22,709
Yeah, I did hear him on TF TC.

1222
01:17:22,980 --> 01:17:30,450
Right. So voltage is literally a
node he is you started up, it's

1223
01:17:30,450 --> 01:17:34,290
not a it's not a server you can
get into there's no SSH, there's

1224
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:38,820
there's no way to get into it's
a very simple control panel. And

1225
01:17:38,850 --> 01:17:43,500
you access everything from the
outside through the API, you can

1226
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:47,160
only access it for access it
from whitelisted IP addresses, I

1227
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,980
think there's a lot of security
consciousness that's going on

1228
01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:55,170
there. You can pay in Bitcoin.
So I've set the podcast index

1229
01:17:55,170 --> 01:17:58,800
node up with him, and it's
performing beautifully. It's it,

1230
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,160
it's really doing quite well.
Now it's good these type of

1231
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,000
services,

1232
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:05,640
did you set that up as a
neutrino node, like a light node

1233
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:06,330
or the full?

1234
01:18:07,019 --> 01:18:07,949
It's a full node?

1235
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,860
Because I think they they just
released the lights, the

1236
01:18:10,890 --> 01:18:13,110
neutrino nodes race, like when
the last week?

1237
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:16,500
Yeah, I mean, I went for the
full on top option, because I

1238
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:18,900
didn't know if the other ones
included peace and or not. So I

1239
01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:23,280
just got, I just got that. But I
think Graham will be putting

1240
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:30,570
together packages for podcast
podcasters for creators who want

1241
01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:34,500
to just say this is nice. And I
think that hosting company

1242
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:38,910
should talk to guys like Graham,
because you're gonna want to

1243
01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:43,740
offer this to your customers.
And it's probably easier to to

1244
01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:47,040
do a handoff and have a
relationship there. I don't I

1245
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,890
don't know if hosting companies
are interested in in hosting

1246
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:51,420
nodes that may be a bit much,

1247
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:54,090
we've got to secure it, you've
got you've, you've got the

1248
01:18:54,090 --> 01:18:56,730
security there too. And you
don't have to worry about people

1249
01:18:56,730 --> 01:18:59,880
winging it. You know, that
because well, you know, James

1250
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,660
Cridland said on the on the
mastodon, he was like, Somebody

1251
01:19:03,660 --> 01:19:06,270
said, Well, you know, you should
talk about this with the tags

1252
01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:08,190
and the newsletter and all
stuff. And he's like, I can't

1253
01:19:08,190 --> 01:19:10,890
talk about this right now. He's
like, there's no, like, it's

1254
01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:13,050
just not far enough along. I
mean, like, it doesn't even make

1255
01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:18,480
any sense. Like, I even know
what to say. So that's legit,

1256
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,500
that is perfectly legit. Because
like, you can't, until What you

1257
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:25,830
need is a situation like that,
where you have somebody who can

1258
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:29,490
say, you know, here's, here's a
node, and here's an X, you know,

1259
01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:34,110
here's your XML, just go
sticking up. You know, here's

1260
01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:37,140
your, you know, here's your
hand, here's a handoff to your

1261
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:39,450
host, and host to your hosting
provider, and they can stick in

1262
01:19:39,450 --> 01:19:41,850
your feet, and then it's like,
then you don't, then you don't

1263
01:19:41,850 --> 01:19:44,040
have to worry about the
implementation details. And it's

1264
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,580
all just a matter of how does,
how does it work? Don't explain

1265
01:19:47,580 --> 01:19:47,970
that.

1266
01:19:48,030 --> 01:19:50,910
So for podcasters, who want to
get ready, and if you want to

1267
01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:57,810
get started, I believe you can
do that. So if you set up a node

1268
01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:02,520
with voltage.io and now And we
already have a process in place

1269
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:07,980
for for strings chat. But if you
go to podcaster wallet.com, and

1270
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:13,980
claim your feed, claim your
wallet really, and you, then you

1271
01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:18,630
enter your, your your node ID
that you get from voltage, then

1272
01:20:18,690 --> 01:20:21,450
and then we have a spot right
there on the website, right that

1273
01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:24,960
you just say, you can say either
I have Sphinx chat, which

1274
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,940
activates the app, or you can do
a different node, your own node

1275
01:20:29,940 --> 01:20:33,900
or voltage node. When you do
that, and you're, you're

1276
01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:38,040
basically already set up. Yeah,
that's all you have to do. I

1277
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,160
mean, we you should, if you can,
you should pace the value block

1278
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,300
into your feed. But if you
can't, at least for now, and for

1279
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:47,850
the foreseeable future, you're
already set up through the apps

1280
01:20:47,850 --> 01:20:49,320
that communicate with the index.

1281
01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:53,340
Yeah, it'll it'll stick it
directly in index, if you don't

1282
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:56,460
have your feed. Like if you
don't have the ability to edit

1283
01:20:56,460 --> 01:21:00,690
your feed, which a lot of people
don't. Yeah, so that that's,

1284
01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:06,030
that's the way around so you can
get your get your node voltage

1285
01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:08,670
node or you know, things node or
whatever set up and then just

1286
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:12,900
paste it in there. If you wanted
to do it that way, and then that

1287
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:17,910
gets around having for now
until, until the value book,

1288
01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:21,960
adoption comes along, that gets
that gets around that edge, it

1289
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,230
just sticks it directly into the
index. So that so that lightning

1290
01:21:25,230 --> 01:21:28,410
enabled podcast apps, like
Sphinx, and other ones that come

1291
01:21:28,410 --> 01:21:29,550
online can see it.

1292
01:21:30,330 --> 01:21:34,920
Yeah. And a reminder that all of
the code that Sphinx is using is

1293
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:40,020
all open source, they posted on
the GitHub, you can you can

1294
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:43,680
replicate anything, you couldn't
use their app with your node. I

1295
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,860
mean, there's all of that as
possible. And in addition to

1296
01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:53,790
that, Ryan introduced me to ROI
from Rhys wallet, and Brees is

1297
01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:59,340
an Israeli company, they have a
now they have a their business

1298
01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,150
model, the way I understand that
is they provide a wallet, a

1299
01:22:03,150 --> 01:22:08,040
lightning wallet, which they
will also help you convert your

1300
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,820
Fiat to Bitcoin and then put it
right into your lightning

1301
01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:15,930
wallet, which is a big deal,
because they can do it end to

1302
01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:18,180
end. And then when you want to
take your money back out and

1303
01:22:18,180 --> 01:22:21,780
turn it into Fiat, they help you
with that as well. And so they

1304
01:22:21,810 --> 01:22:28,170
take care of all of that it's a
it is a fully loaded wallet, but

1305
01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:30,420
they do all the channel
management and everything for

1306
01:22:30,420 --> 01:22:34,200
you. So he is what I've actually
been looking for that company is

1307
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,430
a lightning service provider.
And what was cool about that is

1308
01:22:38,430 --> 01:22:42,360
that for using that
infrastructure for a podcast

1309
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:46,080
app, which only needs to send
satoshis, it doesn't need to

1310
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:50,910
receive therefore doesn't need
to be online, 24. Seven, it's

1311
01:22:50,910 --> 01:22:55,500
the perfect situation for a
podcast app to roll out its

1312
01:22:55,500 --> 01:23:00,360
scale. And I had a nice chat
with Roy earlier in the week.

1313
01:23:00,510 --> 01:23:06,090
And he is just getting
everything together. But they

1314
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:10,230
there they plan to add
podcasting into i think that i

1315
01:23:10,230 --> 01:23:13,230
think what he wants to do is,
you know, they have what

1316
01:23:13,230 --> 01:23:17,130
everyone else has a marketplace
where you can, you know, go buy

1317
01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:20,940
gift cards and stuff like that
do stuff with your with your

1318
01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:25,770
lightning. And in there will be
a podcast player and you just

1319
01:23:25,770 --> 01:23:28,710
hit it and it'll turns into a
podcast player and it's already,

1320
01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:31,560
it's basically already a part of
your wallet. So then you can

1321
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:36,840
start sending value for value
SATs to the podcast that are

1322
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,830
enabled this way. And the idea
is that they will drop a

1323
01:23:40,830 --> 01:23:48,630
reference app onto their GitHub.
So anybody can pick that up and

1324
01:23:48,660 --> 01:23:52,590
implement it because you don't
need a lightning node

1325
01:23:52,590 --> 01:23:57,390
infrastructure to develop this
for your app for people to use.

1326
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:00,750
That would be great, because
that's really what's missing is

1327
01:24:00,750 --> 01:24:04,770
reference code. Yep. Because the
developers on on the mastodon,

1328
01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:07,050
they just they don't know where
to start with any of this stuff.

1329
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:10,710
You know, and it's they can't
start from scratch. It's too big

1330
01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:11,460
of a learning curve,

1331
01:24:11,490 --> 01:24:15,660
right? And then you know, so
however, it happens once we have

1332
01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:19,800
an app that people can just go
get from an app store or just go

1333
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,740
to a website and make it a
progressive web app or just use

1334
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:26,640
a straight from their browser.
Once we have that man, then the

1335
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:32,310
push comes. And, and again, the
machine is working. We have six

1336
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:38,460
podcasts right now. And every
single minute of every hour of

1337
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:43,650
every single day. I see on the
podcast index node satoshis

1338
01:24:43,650 --> 01:24:47,820
coming in. So people are playing
the podcast, they're using the

1339
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:51,540
app, they love all the
additional payment goodies and

1340
01:24:51,540 --> 01:24:54,900
features that are thrown in
there. The machine is working.

1341
01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:57,510
We just need more of the
machine.

1342
01:24:58,530 --> 01:25:03,360
And that's it like I don't know
how deep. We want to get into

1343
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:09,240
that. But I think it's worth
mentioning what while we're,

1344
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:14,760
while we're pushing this, and
it's because advertising is

1345
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:20,010
censorship. I mean, like, I
don't know. I mean, we've talked

1346
01:25:20,010 --> 01:25:24,090
about that before. But I don't
know that we've ever really made

1347
01:25:24,090 --> 01:25:28,350
it clear. Why advertising is
this shit, we just keep saying

1348
01:25:28,350 --> 01:25:28,620
it.

1349
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:31,920
It's very, it's very Yes,

1350
01:25:31,950 --> 01:25:34,800
can you give an explanation as
somebody who's been in the media

1351
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:35,940
for a very long time.

1352
01:25:37,290 --> 01:25:41,070
So first of all, if you have
advertisers, you have to realize

1353
01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:45,420
that they are your boss, and
they're your boss, because they

1354
01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:49,170
pay you the money directly or
indirectly. And what for

1355
01:25:49,170 --> 01:25:53,610
whatever reason, they think that
something is not appropriate for

1356
01:25:53,610 --> 01:25:56,700
their brand or their service to
be associated with. And that

1357
01:25:56,700 --> 01:26:01,380
association can just even be on
the same app or device. If they

1358
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:03,870
don't want it, then you're not
it's not going to happen.

1359
01:26:04,350 --> 01:26:09,090
Otherwise, they walk they have
the ultimate ultimate tool. So,

1360
01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:14,490
what invariably happens is
either the content is driven by

1361
01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:19,200
advertising, also known as
advertorial. You can look at

1362
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,270
most you can see, television
shows certainly daytime shows, I

1363
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:30,480
mean, gosh, the soap opera was
actually developed around

1364
01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:35,130
company selling so products. So
you know, and they use the

1365
01:26:35,130 --> 01:26:38,970
products on the show, etc. So
often advertising drives the

1366
01:26:38,970 --> 01:26:42,690
content. In this world, the most
exciting seems to be the free

1367
01:26:42,690 --> 01:26:46,170
flow of content and verbal
diarrhea, if you will, but but

1368
01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:51,210
people seem to enjoy all forms
have that. And if so, you

1369
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,810
certainly you will self censor,
because you won't talk about a

1370
01:26:54,810 --> 01:26:58,800
competing product, or you'll go
out of your way to disclaim

1371
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,310
something, or you will have to
be disclaiming anything else you

1372
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:05,250
discuss, I'm not getting paid
for this. So you're already

1373
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:08,250
bringing all kinds of discredit
into the conversation with your

1374
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:13,140
audience. And ultimately, it can
be used as a wedge or a tool

1375
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:17,460
against you, by people who just
don't like you. And they will

1376
01:27:17,460 --> 01:27:21,120
mount campaigns very easy to do
with social media and today's

1377
01:27:21,180 --> 01:27:24,870
modern communication tools, they
will mount a campaign against

1378
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:28,320
you and they figured out which
is no secret that you if you

1379
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,710
tell the advertisers that hey,
you're associating with this

1380
01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:35,370
evil person, advertisers will
drop it in a heartbeat, Twitter

1381
01:27:35,370 --> 01:27:38,820
is full of it. Go look at all
the look, go look at Sleeping

1382
01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:44,370
Giants. And they will tag brands
specifically and say, Do you

1383
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:50,220
know that your ad is being run
on this horrible website? And

1384
01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:53,040
immediately you see replies Oh,
thank you. We weren't aware of

1385
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,650
this, we will let you know that
we have immediately stopped

1386
01:27:55,650 --> 01:28:02,010
this. So it's a lose, lose, lose
lose situation. The only kind of

1387
01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:05,370
podcast advertising that is not
censorship is when it's

1388
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,910
advertising for your own
business such as this podcast.

1389
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:15,540
This podcast advertises one
thing, and it is our it's far

1390
01:28:16,110 --> 01:28:20,160
our vision, our mission, the two
part mission of preserving

1391
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,790
podcasting as a platform of
speech and retooling podcasting

1392
01:28:23,790 --> 01:28:28,110
into a platform of value, and we
do that with podcast index. And,

1393
01:28:28,290 --> 01:28:33,480
and this is one giant
commercial. And but it's our

1394
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:38,370
own. So it's always going to be
censored, whether you do it. I

1395
01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:41,970
mean, I think I might have
mentioned this, but Joe Rogan,

1396
01:28:41,970 --> 01:28:47,310
who now has, you know he has a
different boss, but he has a

1397
01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:52,260
boss that is going to sell
beyond Tommy john, and and

1398
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:56,910
Squarespace and some nutritional
products. They want BMW and

1399
01:28:56,910 --> 01:29:01,230
Volvo and Delta Airlines and
Johnson and Johnson and the big

1400
01:29:01,230 --> 01:29:06,300
brands. And Joe is known to be
controversial. So brands will be

1401
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:10,320
taking that chance but what he's
doing is when he has alex jones

1402
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,720
on, he's going into full blown
fact check mode and slowing down

1403
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,990
his own conversation every five
minutes to look at a website to

1404
01:29:18,990 --> 01:29:23,310
see if what Jones said about
global warming is true. And I

1405
01:29:23,310 --> 01:29:27,630
know and he's doing it because
he wants to appease the people,

1406
01:29:28,170 --> 01:29:30,780
you know, technically that are
above him.

1407
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:34,560
But there's another aspect of it
too, which is like I'm looking

1408
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,760
at the head this print out of
pod news for that other that

1409
01:29:38,820 --> 01:29:41,880
other headline I read, but I'm
just looking on it it says the

1410
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,600
top podcast advertisers, I'm
guessing this is for October,

1411
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:51,240
where Amazon at number three for
it with a 2.7 million spend as

1412
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,470
zip recruiter and number two
with 3 million and better help.

1413
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,970
And number one with 3.7 million
wishes an online like many

1414
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,600
mental health counseling
service. And I've heard better

1415
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,680
help. Yeah, I've heard their ad
reads. And they're there.

1416
01:30:07,710 --> 01:30:10,860
They're all host reads, that are
at least all the ones I've

1417
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:16,830
heard. And they're, they're
terrible, like me. And what I

1418
01:30:16,830 --> 01:30:22,110
mean is, I've heard about three
of them all host reads. And

1419
01:30:22,110 --> 01:30:25,380
there's so bland and so
disingenuous. But as you can

1420
01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:29,010
tell that course, if they, if
they used the cert, they all

1421
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:32,220
claim to have used the service.
But if they did, they just did

1422
01:30:32,220 --> 01:30:35,460
it on a perfunctory basis, just
so they could say that they used

1423
01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:41,490
it. And it's just, it's totally
not believable. And most people,

1424
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:45,900
most people are not really good
at doing host reads anyway, it

1425
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:49,440
seems like a skill that you have
to really develop over time. And

1426
01:30:49,650 --> 01:30:53,580
so one of the, you know, if
you're trying to, I don't know

1427
01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:56,280
what their budget is, I guess
there may be a Silicon Valley

1428
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,310
startup type thing, so they just
have tons of money to throw at

1429
01:30:59,310 --> 01:31:03,720
people. But like that, that's
the other part of trying to

1430
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,800
drive this is not just the
censorship angle. But giving

1431
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,660
people another way to get paid,
so that they don't have to sort

1432
01:31:12,660 --> 01:31:15,630
of, I'm just gonna say it, I'm
gonna say it this way, don't

1433
01:31:15,630 --> 01:31:19,710
have to demean themselves. And
voice doing by doing those,

1434
01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:22,200
those ad reads, they're just not
truthful.

1435
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,080
And let me run the numbers by
everybody one more time, this is

1436
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:30,390
what makes the eyes go open when
you run the numbers. And to

1437
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:34,710
understand this, know that I was
I've been able to convert three

1438
01:31:34,710 --> 01:31:41,790
to 4% of all of my audiences to
sending value for the value they

1439
01:31:41,790 --> 01:31:45,420
receive, I never say how much I
just say whatever you think it's

1440
01:31:45,420 --> 01:31:49,260
worth, and no agenda to
families, I've survived for 13

1441
01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:54,030
years. Well, the last, the last
half of those 13, we've survived

1442
01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:58,710
on the show alone, and put kids
into college. So you know, it's

1443
01:31:58,710 --> 01:32:02,610
you can have a comfortable
lifestyle. This show this

1444
01:32:02,610 --> 01:32:07,830
project has converted at a much
higher percentage. And we'll be

1445
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:11,010
thanking people in a moment, we
can't believe we haven't done

1446
01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:16,800
that up until now. And if you
look at the 100 million podcast

1447
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,490
listeners in the United States,
obviously all over the age of

1448
01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:25,860
25. Who, and this is into the
interactive agent, advertising,

1449
01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:27,030
bureau statistics,

1450
01:32:27,210 --> 01:32:29,070
the ones under 25 don't have any
money anyway,

1451
01:32:29,129 --> 01:32:32,009
thanks a screw them, you don't
need them in this project. Yeah.

1452
01:32:33,359 --> 01:32:36,479
They, on average, these 100
million people listen to one

1453
01:32:36,509 --> 01:32:40,439
hour a day, seven days a week.
So let's convert 1% of those

1454
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:45,119
people to the pledge model. And
this is not something that I can

1455
01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:47,909
or need to do every podcaster
has their own pitch to their

1456
01:32:47,909 --> 01:32:51,239
audience. And every audience
member will in turn when they

1457
01:32:51,239 --> 01:32:53,909
hear about this, say to their
favorite podcast, or Hey, you

1458
01:32:53,909 --> 01:32:56,969
might want to consider using
this system. So we can convert

1459
01:32:56,969 --> 01:33:04,859
1%. And we value one hour of
content at $1. Now we have $1

1460
01:33:04,889 --> 01:33:09,029
million a day flowing through
podcasting.

1461
01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:16,800
That's a lot of money. And and
we can that's a lot of people

1462
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,650
making a that would be now maybe
that would be making a living

1463
01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:20,670
that or not now,

1464
01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:26,040
and over time 1% to an app
developer is going to be a hell

1465
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,060
of a lot interesting.

1466
01:33:28,019 --> 01:33:31,559
And I can tell you this, that
the app, the the podcast, app

1467
01:33:31,589 --> 01:33:35,819
ecosystem is not very large.
It's not at all You look, you

1468
01:33:35,819 --> 01:33:40,379
look at podcasts, there's how
many 1.71 point 8 million out

1469
01:33:40,379 --> 01:33:43,769
there. Yeah. I mean, there's
some somewhere close to 2

1470
01:33:43,769 --> 01:33:47,849
million podcasts. There's,
there's only about probably 20

1471
01:33:47,849 --> 01:33:52,289
or 25 legitimate podcast apps.
Yeah, and that may be that may

1472
01:33:52,289 --> 01:33:55,289
be high and maybe being
generous. So I mean, if you can

1473
01:33:55,289 --> 01:34:00,779
get if you can make one 1% out
of that smaller pool. You're

1474
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:05,309
very good lid is real money.
It's real money. And it's a life

1475
01:34:05,309 --> 01:34:06,119
changing event.

1476
01:34:06,330 --> 01:34:11,670
Yes. And, and and what's super
exciting for me, and I should be

1477
01:34:11,670 --> 01:34:17,160
the most jaded guy in the world.
When I look at my wallet, and I

1478
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:21,900
see three satoshis a minute
coming in. I'm excited. I mean,

1479
01:34:21,900 --> 01:34:25,020
I look at it several times they
go Ah, and it says oh no, the

1480
01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:28,650
three satoshis now the three
satoshis it's not like it's it's

1481
01:34:28,650 --> 01:34:34,080
like it's like likes you know,
it's like oh, oh, it feels good.

1482
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,830
It's like serotonin all kinds of
stuff is firing in my brain I

1483
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:38,940
feel good about it.

1484
01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:41,550
It's like a it's like five
thousandths of a penny or

1485
01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:42,210
something like that.

1486
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,940
Yeah, but it's but it doesn't
matter at all. You know, it's

1487
01:34:44,970 --> 01:34:48,720
often just get more listeners
than it'll be more. Yeah, and

1488
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,650
it's a it's a beautiful cycle of
life. And this is the value for

1489
01:34:52,650 --> 01:34:58,410
value model it works. I think
it's going to be adopted by more

1490
01:34:59,070 --> 01:35:06,540
similar nascent industries as we
move forward. It's a it's a

1491
01:35:06,540 --> 01:35:11,280
perfect place to really
kickstart this micro payment

1492
01:35:11,310 --> 01:35:14,940
economy, particularly with all
these splits that go down the

1493
01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:17,880
line. And now, you got me
thinking now with this credits

1494
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:22,110
tag and all of that, our entire
project is value for value,

1495
01:35:22,380 --> 01:35:25,500
which means whatever value
you're getting out of this

1496
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:30,630
podcast or out of the index, the
services, the apps, your hosting

1497
01:35:30,630 --> 01:35:34,890
company innovating and changing,
if that's a value to you, and

1498
01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:37,950
you appreciate that, just give
us some value back, we asked for

1499
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:41,580
the three T's Dave mentioned at
time, talent or treasure, and we

1500
01:35:41,580 --> 01:35:44,670
have people who have been
pressing the big red Donate

1501
01:35:44,670 --> 01:35:54,090
button, on, on on podcast. I
also have several 10,000.

1502
01:35:54,090 --> 01:35:58,950
Satoshi donations, but of
course, I don't have any name

1503
01:35:58,950 --> 01:36:02,040
associated with them. But I see
those coming in I think every

1504
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:06,210
day someone's doing at 10. So
that's $1 a day basically, which

1505
01:36:06,210 --> 01:36:11,160
seems to be coming in from the
from our lightning link, which

1506
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:12,960
is also is right under the
donate button.

1507
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:17,730
what's currently $1 is like 5500
satoshis Oh,

1508
01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:20,610
you're right. You're right. Yes.
It was about a buck. 50 I guess.

1509
01:36:20,610 --> 01:36:26,910
Yeah. But actually today, right
now, Bitcoin is 18,645. Since

1510
01:36:26,910 --> 01:36:30,330
we, since we started talking
since we start implementing this

1511
01:36:30,330 --> 01:36:34,530
Bitcoin has jumped by 30%. Just
because of podcast index.

1512
01:36:34,559 --> 01:36:35,699
Yes, it's

1513
01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:37,530
us. Yeah, absolutely.

1514
01:36:38,430 --> 01:36:42,030
Did you see the little thing?
The bot in the Sphinx chat app?

1515
01:36:43,260 --> 01:36:45,060
slash BTC. Price? Yeah,

1516
01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:48,750
yeah. Then you get well, you do
BTC SATs. And it'll tell you the

1517
01:36:48,780 --> 01:36:49,650
ratio sales

1518
01:36:49,650 --> 01:36:51,210
ratios. Yeah. That's,

1519
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,880
like 5500 or something like
that.

1520
01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:58,020
That went fast. It didn't move
very fast. Well,

1521
01:36:58,410 --> 01:37:02,400
let me thanks. Some people.
There's Michael Winget are

1522
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:06,150
winging it. He did a $10 month
subscription.

1523
01:37:06,179 --> 01:37:07,649
Great. Thank you, Michael.

1524
01:37:07,710 --> 01:37:08,220
Yeah,

1525
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,060
and I can't subscriptions are
fantastic. Because that that's

1526
01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:12,810
lifeline.

1527
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:17,580
That's a lifeline. And it helped
a lot this week. Specifically,

1528
01:37:17,580 --> 01:37:20,970
Thank you, Michael. Because
there we had two other donations

1529
01:37:20,970 --> 01:37:25,920
that they got cancelled. So I
appreciate Michael stepping up

1530
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,830
and come into a monthly payment
that really helps. I can't find

1531
01:37:28,830 --> 01:37:32,490
a note from from you, Michael.
So if you need a note or

1532
01:37:32,490 --> 01:37:36,510
anything read on the air, just
tell me and I can do that next

1533
01:37:36,510 --> 01:37:39,330
week. I get

1534
01:37:39,719 --> 01:37:41,009
just throw that on the ground.

1535
01:37:41,519 --> 01:37:42,299
Yeah. Okay.

1536
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,540
That's a cool effect. You don't
hear that anymore. These days. I

1537
01:37:45,540 --> 01:37:47,970
like that. I like the paper
crumble. I'd like hearing it

1538
01:37:47,970 --> 01:37:49,740
drop on your floor. That's cool.

1539
01:37:49,980 --> 01:37:54,780
You should I'll just take a
screenshot one of the camera one

1540
01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:57,930
of these days. I've got a an
ethernet cable stretched halfway

1541
01:37:57,930 --> 01:37:59,550
across the living room. Just

1542
01:38:01,140 --> 01:38:05,550
far, my desk is finally done my
my custom made podcast desk.

1543
01:38:05,850 --> 01:38:09,960
He sent me pictures and I love
the love the guest thing where

1544
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,450
you have the two mics set up on
the other side of it.

1545
01:38:12,570 --> 01:38:15,660
Oh, yeah. And they got their own
headphone volume. And I got a

1546
01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:20,730
little outlet and a phone
charger USB charging port. And

1547
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,700
oh, yeah. Oh, and my wires are
all hidden away. I gotta do a

1548
01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:27,390
video of this thing. It's so
badass. It's so beautiful. So

1549
01:38:27,390 --> 01:38:27,870
happy.

1550
01:38:28,020 --> 01:38:30,900
Everything that yours is mine is
not.

1551
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:35,550
Right. Exactly. Exactly. But
I've been in many many closets

1552
01:38:35,550 --> 01:38:39,300
Dave. I graduated from the
closet to the from the clue do

1553
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:43,560
to this place. So that was that
was part of Tina and I we bought

1554
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,870
this house. It's like I gotta
have a studio. Now. I want to

1555
01:38:45,870 --> 01:38:49,620
have real studio and I want to
spend some money on it. So you

1556
01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:51,450
know, it took me six months for
this desk.

1557
01:38:55,110 --> 01:39:00,150
gilera Guillermo Del gustan he
spent some money on us.

1558
01:39:01,260 --> 01:39:01,800
All right,

1559
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:04,380
thanks for the thanks for the
work you were doing for

1560
01:39:04,380 --> 01:39:07,740
podcasting in general, keep
podcasting that keep podcasting

1561
01:39:07,740 --> 01:39:13,290
as a platform of free speech is
a noble mission. And gilera on

1562
01:39:13,650 --> 01:39:16,470
purpose. I'm saying that right,
Gil Armadale Gustin, he's great.

1563
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:20,310
By the way, he's been super
helpful. He's been all over the

1564
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:24,390
GitHub, all over podcasts
indexed us social. He's just,

1565
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,930
he's just invested. And he's,
he's he's helping out a ton

1566
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,590
and how much how much did he
send in $20. Thank you very

1567
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:35,700
much, Guillermo. By the way, the
desk is not coming out the

1568
01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:38,700
podcast index. Neither Dave or I
take any money out of this?

1569
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:42,060
No. That was just enough to pay
the bill.

1570
01:39:42,750 --> 01:39:46,770
That's my podcasting money that
I spent this on. So nothing to

1571
01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:49,770
do with the index. Appreciate
that. And so he's given us time,

1572
01:39:49,770 --> 01:39:51,150
talent and treasure. That's
great.

1573
01:39:51,210 --> 01:39:53,340
Yeah, he's the developer. He
says I'm the developer,

1574
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:56,640
developer of pod station, and
open source aggregator packaged

1575
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,460
as a browser extension currently
integrated with podcast index

1576
01:39:59,460 --> 01:40:03,450
search. I hope to be able to
collaborate more with your

1577
01:40:03,450 --> 01:40:06,450
project and the podcast
ecosystem as a whole in the

1578
01:40:06,450 --> 01:40:06,900
future.

1579
01:40:07,589 --> 01:40:11,159
I'm looking at them now. pod pod
station. Is it pod station?

1580
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,480
Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Bus
Station earlier, Matt

1581
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:22,980
della goostin. Oh, okay. This is
interesting. It's a Chrome

1582
01:40:22,980 --> 01:40:26,010
extension. Nice. Really? Yeah.

1583
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,500
I haven't checked it out. I
thought it was a website.

1584
01:40:29,340 --> 01:40:32,370
No, it's here add to chrome. You
know, just do it. Why the hell

1585
01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:36,600
not add to chrome? Is it now
done? Checking doo doo doo

1586
01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:43,680
implemented? Oh, let me see. So
now if I do podcasting 2.0 if

1587
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,800
he's because that is not listed
on Apple and boom, it pops up

1588
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,410
immediately. Yeah. Wow.

1589
01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:52,740
That's very cool. Oh, nice.

1590
01:40:52,919 --> 01:40:56,669
Oh, my goodness. That is fast as
stuff.

1591
01:40:57,629 --> 01:40:58,169
Let me

1592
01:40:58,889 --> 01:41:05,219
Oh, I like that. Does he have a
player in here? Episode 11.

1593
01:41:06,119 --> 01:41:09,959
Yeah, puts it right into a
player. Holy crap. That was

1594
01:41:09,959 --> 01:41:19,019
fast. That's Yeah, there you go.
Man, that thing is smoking fast.

1595
01:41:19,019 --> 01:41:21,509
Well, is it a testament to you,
sir?

1596
01:41:22,049 --> 01:41:22,559
To me?

1597
01:41:22,590 --> 01:41:25,650
Yes. It's it's doing it's doing
an index search?

1598
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:31,260
Oh, well, I'll take it. I'll get
Look, I'll give a little bit

1599
01:41:31,260 --> 01:41:31,710
credit.

1600
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,950
Now, but how do I how do I
access this? I mean, now it's an

1601
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:37,110
extension. But what does it do
as an extension?

1602
01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:42,450
Oh, yes. Yeah. I just got it on
my Chrome to podcasting.

1603
01:41:42,540 --> 01:41:47,040
Oh, my God. So it has the it has
has the fund fast. Like grant

1604
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:51,420
funding funding is in there. The
fun tag is picking that up. Yep.

1605
01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:54,750
That works. Holy crap. Oh, yeah.
They

1606
01:41:54,750 --> 01:41:58,770
see the funding tag. Yeah. Oh,
that's right. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I

1607
01:41:58,770 --> 01:42:03,210
knew because he I saw him post a
screenshot the other day. Yeah,

1608
01:42:03,210 --> 01:42:07,590
yeah. Okay, I remember this now.
And marked it so I could go back

1609
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:08,130
and look, but

1610
01:42:08,129 --> 01:42:15,089
how do you? I mean, how does it
How does the How does the the

1611
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:18,299
Chrome extension work? I mean,
how do you get to it? I'm not

1612
01:42:18,299 --> 01:42:19,379
quite sure I understand.

1613
01:42:19,769 --> 01:42:23,729
Man. Put a man put a thing up at
the top. But you know, they

1614
01:42:23,729 --> 01:42:25,859
changed that in Chrome wearers.
Oh,

1615
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:28,920
I see it. There you go. Oh,
yeah, it's right up there at the

1616
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,670
top. Oh, my goodness. You got to
pin it. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty.

1617
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:33,840
Yeah, it's

1618
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:34,800
pretty nice. Holy

1619
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:39,390
crap. Adam. Fast, fast.

1620
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:43,200
Gs. says add a speed going

1621
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,090
on with this speed people.

1622
01:42:46,530 --> 01:42:49,710
I wonder how I wonder if he
supports adding back to the

1623
01:42:49,710 --> 01:42:54,030
index? Because I hope he does.
And he asked him about that.

1624
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,030
Because I would like I would
like to have more apps pay.

1625
01:42:57,390 --> 01:43:03,300
Adding Miss admitting back, huh?
Okay. David, sorry.

1626
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,820
I was just blown away by that.
I'm sorry.

1627
01:43:06,030 --> 01:43:07,500
You're all sorry. I

1628
01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:09,690
know. I am. starry eyed.

1629
01:43:10,230 --> 01:43:16,140
Exactly. David Metis gave us $50
donation. Oh, wow. Nice. Thank

1630
01:43:16,140 --> 01:43:18,630
you for doing your part to
protect podcasting his platform

1631
01:43:18,630 --> 01:43:20,730
for free for free speech. Oh,
thank

1632
01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:21,750
you for doing yours.

1633
01:43:22,050 --> 01:43:28,110
Thank you, David. Appreciate it.
See, Oh, we got another $50

1634
01:43:28,110 --> 01:43:37,680
donation from Damon. Static and
and he says he just says thanks

1635
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,010
for your efforts, keep
podcasting open. Do very short

1636
01:43:41,010 --> 01:43:45,930
notes and $50 donations each
Thank you very much. Yes, thank

1637
01:43:45,930 --> 01:43:52,680
you Damon. I wonder where Damon
is from Chris k. s A CJ AK is

1638
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:59,730
his last name. Let me know where
you're from. And let me know

1639
01:43:59,730 --> 01:44:01,950
that let me know how much I'm
not

1640
01:44:01,950 --> 01:44:03,360
bad. Nick Butcher did yeah.

1641
01:44:05,010 --> 01:44:10,020
Bob Diggins today gave he
donated $10 All right, thank

1642
01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:16,980
you. I don't see a note from
Bob. And so if you have a note,

1643
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:21,390
let me know Bob and I'll read
it. Thank you very much. And we

1644
01:44:21,390 --> 01:44:24,570
also had a $5 donation from Pat
deery.

1645
01:44:26,010 --> 01:44:27,510
Name that sounds familiar.

1646
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:37,920
d e. ROI. And it's Pat at Well,
I'm not gonna say that but it's

1647
01:44:37,950 --> 01:44:41,820
it looks like patent maybe candy
Navy.

1648
01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:46,380
is really not candy navion

1649
01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:54,420
Yeah. It looks like Pat maybe it
Canadian. Pat, thank you for $5

1650
01:44:54,750 --> 01:44:57,450
really appreciate it and I could
not find a note from Pat. So if

1651
01:44:57,450 --> 01:45:02,640
you if you have some for a note
Let me know. But that's our

1652
01:45:03,060 --> 01:45:04,020
that's our donors this week.

1653
01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:09,930
Yes. And whoever sent us to 100
sat payments today. And

1654
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:14,430
basically whoever's doing 10,000
a day, thank you very much. It's

1655
01:45:14,430 --> 01:45:15,540
coming in on the node.

1656
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:18,240
We see it if you want credit,
tell us,

1657
01:45:18,630 --> 01:45:21,930
I have to get into a log.
Otherwise, I could give the

1658
01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:26,970
thank them for the transaction
ID or something like that. Thank

1659
01:45:26,970 --> 01:45:32,670
you by ID by node number. This
is very, very much appreciated.

1660
01:45:32,670 --> 01:45:37,470
Thank you to everyone who's
supporting this. We, it's so

1661
01:45:37,470 --> 01:45:40,680
appreciated, because it keeps it
running. It keeps the servers

1662
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,890
running. How many do we have
running now at this point? You

1663
01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:45,060
must have in the 20s.

1664
01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:54,270
And we get a lot. It's almost
20.

1665
01:45:54,780 --> 01:45:57,960
I love it. I love that
screenshot. You sent me a week

1666
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:01,650
ago or so. of your, your, your
command station.

1667
01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:05,130
Oh, oh, yeah. The 57 monitors.

1668
01:46:05,220 --> 01:46:09,450
Yeah, that's cool. That's like,
that's the man behind the

1669
01:46:09,450 --> 01:46:12,840
curtain. That's how it's run. I
always wondered why it works.

1670
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:13,320
Okay.

1671
01:46:13,620 --> 01:46:17,880
I think we have 18 servers right
now. I'm not. I can't I don't

1672
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:20,220
have my phone with me. So I
can't get into two factor. But I

1673
01:46:20,220 --> 01:46:21,450
think I think we have 18

1674
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:26,310
which reminds me the podcast
images.com. House was Mike, who

1675
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:28,080
was working on Mike Kelly. Oh,

1676
01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:34,920
yeah. Mike's he's gone off the
grid. So I think he must be busy

1677
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,370
with work. He, he I think he he
tends to go offline and come

1678
01:46:38,370 --> 01:46:40,230
back from time to time.

1679
01:46:40,230 --> 01:46:44,280
So he said, how were apps doing
images now? Are they using

1680
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:46,770
iTunes? Or how are they doing
the image nuts,

1681
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,080
they're still just doing a
straight up like digital

1682
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:54,390
proxying through their own back
end? Like so like pod friend? It

1683
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:57,480
has, you know, it has a server
that backs Okay, using that?

1684
01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:59,580
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the
way they're getting around it

1685
01:46:59,580 --> 01:47:04,290
for the time being. But, um, but
I'm sure Mike will come out of

1686
01:47:04,590 --> 01:47:05,580
he'll come out topic.

1687
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,430
Because for something like that,
just for Mike or anyone else

1688
01:47:08,430 --> 01:47:12,750
who's interested in this just
moving forward. Lightning

1689
01:47:12,750 --> 01:47:18,120
protocol has something called l
SAT, which is basically a way to

1690
01:47:18,330 --> 01:47:25,620
charge for API access at a micro
micro micro payment level, then

1691
01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:28,650
it will be a part of the same
infrastructure. And it's

1692
01:47:28,650 --> 01:47:32,700
something that I mean, the days
of free are over, nothing can

1693
01:47:32,700 --> 01:47:37,350
just be free anymore. Without
advertising or data harvesting

1694
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:41,700
and selling. So be on the
lookout for those things to get

1695
01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:45,060
more prominence in our world as
well, as people start to

1696
01:47:45,060 --> 01:47:51,660
understand how a real like, you
know, charging someone $100 a

1697
01:47:51,660 --> 01:47:55,740
month for API access could be
pretty extreme compared to what

1698
01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:59,040
they're really using or what the
value really is. So

1699
01:47:59,490 --> 01:48:02,940
well, that's why David Norman,
from hyper kosher switched to

1700
01:48:02,940 --> 01:48:07,230
using using us was just because
he couldn't, he couldn't afford

1701
01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:10,320
the hundred dollar a month for
listen nose. So he switched over

1702
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:10,950
to using us

1703
01:48:10,980 --> 01:48:12,840
he was using them before I
didn't realize

1704
01:48:12,900 --> 01:48:15,720
he was he was using them for on
a test level. And then his dad

1705
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:20,040
had to start paying when he when
he put his app in the App Store.

1706
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:24,450
And, you know, he just he
couldn't afford it. You know,

1707
01:48:24,450 --> 01:48:27,210
and that, and that's fine.
That's always the drawback of

1708
01:48:27,900 --> 01:48:33,270
pay per use is pay per use can
get annoying, when you don't

1709
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:36,990
know how much use you're going
to have. But it does always have

1710
01:48:36,990 --> 01:48:41,400
it on the low end, it always
does have the benefit of you're

1711
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,580
not, you're not paying for
something that you're not using.

1712
01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:48,240
Right. And that can really mean
the difference between being

1713
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:52,530
able to launch a product and not
being able to write so i think

1714
01:48:52,530 --> 01:48:55,710
you know, I think that I think
they'll set stuff. I don't even

1715
01:48:55,710 --> 01:48:58,770
know anything about it yet. But
from everything that you that

1716
01:48:58,770 --> 01:49:02,190
you've heard and and I've heard
through through those Bitcoin

1717
01:49:02,190 --> 01:49:05,400
guys, it's going to be a really
big deal. Yeah.

1718
01:49:06,030 --> 01:49:11,070
And then finally, and thank you
comic strip blogger, he raised

1719
01:49:11,070 --> 01:49:17,880
his hand, we desperately need
this page. That is right front

1720
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:22,680
and center. From the podcast
index landing page. I actually

1721
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:27,510
registered new podcast apps.com
Hello marketing. which I'd like

1722
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:29,130
to point to that page right now.
It

1723
01:49:29,130 --> 01:49:31,410
points to the fact that you are
Tina.

1724
01:49:32,130 --> 01:49:34,020
That was Adam, thank you very
much.

1725
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:34,590
Okay.

1726
01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:39,180
I'm just calling you. I'm the
domain name guy. Man. I'm the

1727
01:49:39,180 --> 01:49:43,260
one on the couch. Go like dark
winter.com Ah, shit too late.

1728
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:47,430
How many? How many domains Do
you own?

1729
01:49:48,630 --> 01:49:51,540
Okay, I will tell you just take
a look. It's a frightening

1730
01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:52,080
number.

1731
01:49:52,440 --> 01:49:53,130
Is it really?

1732
01:49:56,190 --> 01:49:58,860
Oh, it's not that bad. But 250

1733
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,570
He leaves. Yeah, a lot of
domains.

1734
01:50:04,530 --> 01:50:11,100
Yeah, it is. But, you know, from
time to time be like key. Oh,

1735
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:13,620
let me see if I don't have
something like that. And oh,

1736
01:50:13,620 --> 01:50:18,570
yeah, I got this. So new podcast
apps calm, I think is something

1737
01:50:18,570 --> 01:50:23,280
that I'd like to point hundreds
of thousands of people at. So

1738
01:50:23,310 --> 01:50:25,470
but I'm not going to point them
to a GitHub page.

1739
01:50:28,110 --> 01:50:28,650
Pretty

1740
01:50:28,710 --> 01:50:32,850
so I but I want the fruits of
our labor and I want to be able

1741
01:50:32,850 --> 01:50:35,760
to promote it, I want to be able
to promote every app, but I want

1742
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,880
the page to be pretty and I want
everyone to logo and I want the

1743
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:43,830
hosting companies. And I want
to, you know, the, the, the

1744
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:46,980
transcription companies, I want
everything on that page, nicely

1745
01:50:46,980 --> 01:50:50,430
categorized, and we can show
this is podcasting. 2.0.

1746
01:50:50,430 --> 01:50:54,090
Otherwise, we're just, you know,
just floating around in a little

1747
01:50:54,090 --> 01:50:56,280
bubble. So this is the

1748
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,730
part that this is why I'm here.
So don't don't make me learn

1749
01:50:59,730 --> 01:51:00,570
react, people.

1750
01:51:01,170 --> 01:51:02,640
Don't make me learn anything.

1751
01:51:04,770 --> 01:51:06,210
It's not gonna end up well.

1752
01:51:07,620 --> 01:51:12,030
So I know comics for bloggers
diving in this weekend, he may

1753
01:51:12,030 --> 01:51:15,120
need some help. So whatever we
can do, and this page needs to

1754
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:18,420
be maintained, because it grows.
And this is where we're gonna

1755
01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:21,930
showcase all of our stuff. And
it's where I want to send people

1756
01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:26,220
and they can go Oh, I I I'd love
to have chapters or transcripts.

1757
01:51:26,220 --> 01:51:29,400
And I could do it with this
hosting company. And I can get

1758
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:32,760
this transcription from there.
And if someone wants to

1759
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:37,140
providing and community chapters
as a service, it should be

1760
01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:39,930
there. All of this stuff. All of
this should be on this page.

1761
01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:43,380
Beautiful layout, it should just
look pretty as pretty as the

1762
01:51:43,380 --> 01:51:47,700
rest of the website. So that's
my plea. For more talent in

1763
01:51:47,700 --> 01:51:50,430
time. It's something I'm just
not capable of. I don't have the

1764
01:51:50,430 --> 01:51:56,130
skills. I'm very good at hacking
up a page and pointing a domain

1765
01:51:56,130 --> 01:51:59,070
to it. That's about right and
brand breaking. Breaking

1766
01:51:59,070 --> 01:52:04,110
podcast. Yeah, I break podcast
as for breakfast brother. I do.

1767
01:52:05,130 --> 01:52:06,570
Broke three before 9am

1768
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:09,120
that was just waiting on a
train.

1769
01:52:11,460 --> 01:52:13,830
It's a long show, man. We got
it. We got it. Yeah, this one

1770
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:14,190
Anything

1771
01:52:14,190 --> 01:52:17,370
else? Anything I can do for you
specifically?

1772
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:25,650
No, no, no. I'm good. I'm, I
feel I'm like 90% good. And I'm

1773
01:52:25,650 --> 01:52:27,300
kicking him kicking the COVID

1774
01:52:27,330 --> 01:52:30,990
Yeah, that was a tough one. I
was just a real can bring you

1775
01:52:30,990 --> 01:52:32,130
down It's no joke.

1776
01:52:32,610 --> 01:52:35,910
Yeah, yeah, I'm but I'm good
man. I'm back. I'm like, I'm

1777
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:37,590
like back almost full power.

1778
01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:40,950
Good. super happy your your
health. Is there, man. For sure.

1779
01:52:40,980 --> 01:52:44,190
Yeah. I was like, Oh, man. Don't
Don't make me learn node.

1780
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:48,270
Don't die. Please don't die. Me,
Dave.

1781
01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:52,260
It's too many forms to fill out.
All right, buddy. Thank you very

1782
01:52:52,260 --> 01:52:55,830
much. Again, and we'll be
talking again next week. That's

1783
01:52:56,940 --> 01:53:00,450
podcasting. 2.0. It's the
podcast where we tell you all

1784
01:53:00,450 --> 01:53:04,350
about the future podcast. We'll
be back next week. See you then.

