1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,690 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for November 11 2022 with episode 110 paws 2 00:00:06,690 --> 00:00:11,430 and claws Hello everybody. Welcome to podcast 2.0 It is the 3 00:00:11,430 --> 00:00:14,610 official board meeting of the most exciting thing in 4 00:00:14,610 --> 00:00:18,990 technology today and you're a part of it. That's right. Come 5 00:00:18,990 --> 00:00:21,570 on in everybody's welcome. You'll hear all about the 6 00:00:21,570 --> 00:00:25,350 namespace the progress, podcasts, index.org 7 00:00:25,350 --> 00:00:28,800 improvements, updates, the fun stuff and of course the down and 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,130 dirty sleeves for podcasting index dot social. I'm Adam curry 9 00:00:32,130 --> 00:00:34,560 here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama the 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,410 best partner A man can imagine say hello to my friend on the 11 00:00:37,410 --> 00:00:40,470 other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. Dave Jones 12 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:44,670 you're the rainstorm cowboy No, I am I am 13 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:46,440 the rainstorm cowboy 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,920 I've got a I've got a proposal right out of the bat. Oh really 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,990 is the wrong way to say you know say it right out of the bat 16 00:00:54,990 --> 00:00:56,340 right off the bat that's what I'm saying. 17 00:00:56,550 --> 00:00:59,130 Wow, I mean before the intro music's even over Yeah, I mean, 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,160 no banter No, no funny stuff back and forth you're straight 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,400 to be is Okay ladies, gentlemen. This board meeting is open all 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:05,790 right. 21 00:01:08,460 --> 00:01:14,580 I would propose that we create a cryptocurrency here we go find 22 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:19,470 podcast index and we're gonna call it like something like PCC 23 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:22,320 How about the podcast? Pod? Pod 24 00:01:22,590 --> 00:01:26,850 pod just to make it obvious we love it so much pod Yes. Okay. 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,650 Then we vet we somehow get it we do some magical behind the 26 00:01:31,650 --> 00:01:36,840 scenes things to get it valued roughly 20 to $22 a share a 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,080 coin. And we go out and we 28 00:01:40,260 --> 00:01:44,130 we leverage we invest in a lot of companies. We start a 29 00:01:44,130 --> 00:01:45,690 nonprofit foundation. 30 00:01:46,199 --> 00:01:48,809 That too. Yeah, these are all great ideas that I didn't even 31 00:01:48,809 --> 00:01:51,269 think of originally but they're all they all fit so we should do 32 00:01:51,269 --> 00:01:54,959 all that and then everything will turn out fine. And it will 33 00:01:54,959 --> 00:01:56,939 be will be great for the for the rest of our lives. 34 00:01:56,970 --> 00:01:59,220 But we don't have to dwell on that too much. But of course 35 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:03,540 we're talking about the the cryptocurrency meltdown and 36 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:06,300 let's just say once again there's a difference between 37 00:02:06,300 --> 00:02:08,970 cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin and look at who will be left 38 00:02:08,970 --> 00:02:13,680 standing this is all going to go to zero except Except Bitcoin 39 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:18,510 even the dollar eventually will go to zero against Bitcoin. The 40 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:24,180 but we won't be around to witness that but eventually we 41 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:27,060 won't be here to witness that. But well, do you 42 00:02:27,060 --> 00:02:28,260 want to go do you want to like run? 43 00:02:28,829 --> 00:02:32,789 No, not really. Necessary? 44 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:36,750 Yes, I do. And why I think because I think people Trent 45 00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:40,530 Deuce they're getting you know, they're getting used to Satoshis 46 00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:43,740 and getting used to All right, all right, it coin as a as a way 47 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:46,740 to pay people within podcast apps. And they need to 48 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:49,320 understand why what what does well, okay, 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,020 you're right. You're right. I'm sorry. You're right. You're 50 00:02:52,020 --> 00:02:53,730 right. You are right, 51 00:02:53,730 --> 00:02:56,460 ft start with FTX FTT. 52 00:02:57,090 --> 00:03:03,210 No, let me start with any cryptocurrency? No, I'm not 53 00:03:03,210 --> 00:03:05,880 gonna start with any cryptocurrency you put me on the 54 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:12,210 spot, you're gonna get it? So I start with? No. By the way, I do 55 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:17,040 not talk to my wife this way. Contrary to popular opinion, I 56 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:25,440 also do not. So any cryptocurrency that has a CEO, 57 00:03:26,010 --> 00:03:31,800 by definition, is not decentralized. Bitcoin does not 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,450 have a CEO. So when you have a CEO of something, and in this 59 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:40,530 case, not just have an exchange where you can trade and buy and 60 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:49,770 sell different quote Kryptos. But also CEO of one of the 61 00:03:49,770 --> 00:03:53,670 actual Kryptos itself, you have to understand that that 62 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:58,380 structure is in fact the antithesis of Bitcoin, whenever 63 00:03:58,380 --> 00:04:02,370 you have a centralized authority, and, and even theory 64 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:04,770 them, and I don't want to get into all of that. That's why 65 00:04:04,770 --> 00:04:09,180 it's always like I didn't I just want to be careful. But if it 66 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:11,670 has a CEO, it just by definition is not going to be 67 00:04:11,670 --> 00:04:14,640 decentralized. Someone calls the shots. Someone has some control 68 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,230 over something. Yeah. And what has happened, and this, this is 69 00:04:19,230 --> 00:04:22,830 something that's built up over a long amount of time, is because 70 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:27,480 it was so misunderstood exactly what what cryptocurrency is, but 71 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,380 you know, as long as it's on an exchange, you can trade it. And 72 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:34,320 it has value. People eventually started trusting that and 73 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,130 there's billions in this, but you're looking at to SBF Sam 74 00:04:38,130 --> 00:04:41,790 Backman, fried Adagio, he's unfortunate magazine is the 75 00:04:41,790 --> 00:04:45,540 neck. He's the new JP Morgan and he's the next Warren Buffett. I 76 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:49,770 mean, it's true. But all of this ultimately, and I'm kind of 77 00:04:49,770 --> 00:04:53,610 making some big shortcuts here is all based upon the real 78 00:04:53,610 --> 00:04:55,860 problems, not just the exchanging of coins back and 79 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:58,440 forth. That's kind of an outgrowth of the core business, 80 00:04:58,650 --> 00:05:02,880 which is give us you Are Bitcoin an actual valuable asset that 81 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,810 has no CEO no centralization, that you can become a part of 82 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:15,630 with a some dice and a pencil and a pad. They say, give us 83 00:05:15,630 --> 00:05:19,800 your Bitcoin and we'll store it here. And then they use that as 84 00:05:19,950 --> 00:05:25,020 collateral for their own coins and other coins that they hold 85 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:31,920 as a, as a, quote, stable asset. Now, of course, you have already 86 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,190 relinquished that Bitcoin. So it's really it's not yours at 87 00:05:35,190 --> 00:05:40,800 that point already. But it really is the basis of as a part 88 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,490 of it, because there's also other assets. So on top of that, 89 00:05:44,940 --> 00:05:47,730 now they start to leverage it and the hook is, well, we're 90 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:53,220 gonna give you 810 12 15% interest on the Bitcoin that you 91 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:54,150 store with us. 92 00:05:54,660 --> 00:05:57,150 Now, how does that but it's in the form of FTT, 93 00:05:57,390 --> 00:06:03,690 it's in the form of their coin, exactly. But even even with that 94 00:06:03,690 --> 00:06:08,580 said, they were either bringing in new people with new Bitcoin 95 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:11,250 to pay that, you know that, because eventually people want 96 00:06:11,250 --> 00:06:13,290 to withdraw in Bitcoin. So you do, you have to have some 97 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:15,570 bitcoin that you can give to them. And then we're also 98 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:19,500 creating their own coin behind it. So the minute you got some 99 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:22,530 problems in the market, and competitor, and there's a whole 100 00:06:22,530 --> 00:06:25,830 history there, say, hey, you know, we're dumping a half a 101 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:28,740 billion, we don't trust this guy, then you get a classic bank 102 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:32,070 run. And you know, the way all fractional banking, everything 103 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:36,540 where the CEO works this way, is you have maybe 1020 mil, maybe 104 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:40,650 1% of the actual assets that you have outstanding, because you 105 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:43,350 don't expect the bank room because you have trust. The 106 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:47,040 thing that's interesting in this case is this FBF character, who 107 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,520 has a very well connected family, highly, highly 108 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,260 politically connected, was the top third donor, political donor 109 00:06:55,260 --> 00:06:58,860 across the board in this midterm election, mainly for I think, 110 00:06:58,860 --> 00:07:03,930 only for Democrats. But, you know, has a foundation you know, 111 00:07:03,930 --> 00:07:09,630 doing good for the world. But he pretty much admitted the openly 112 00:07:09,630 --> 00:07:13,350 that he was basically running a Ponzi scheme, and which is the 113 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:18,480 definition of how these things were working. And, and there's a 114 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,400 lot of hate for him now. Because, you know, the whole 115 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,980 thing eventually collapses, like, go watch. It's a Wonderful 116 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:26,010 Life, you know, that's, that's the base. It's just a wonderful 117 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:31,860 life all over again, only this time in Technicolor. And I would 118 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:37,320 say the thing that I noticed. And Dave, you and I talked about 119 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,020 this, we have to go into great detail about the event itself, 120 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:42,330 but there was a he was doing an interview and at a certain 121 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:46,590 point, all of a sudden, you see him, like realize that what he's 122 00:07:46,590 --> 00:07:50,610 saying is, is complete garbage and that he's full of crap. And 123 00:07:50,610 --> 00:07:54,720 then he's it was like, like some Mind Control programming that he 124 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,800 snapped himself out of it. You could and I think, based upon 125 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,810 the hype of the financial industry who should know better, 126 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:08,670 and by the way, Blackrock invested, Sequoia Capital 127 00:08:08,670 --> 00:08:13,020 invested some Canadian unions invested, this whole thing of 128 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:17,040 everyone was complicit. Yeah, it really what they really were and 129 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,280 so this, this poor kid who was pretty young, who looks pretty 130 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,310 introverted, and maybe easy to mind, control, mass, throw some 131 00:08:23,310 --> 00:08:27,540 hookers on that guy and imagine what you can do. Yeah. I'm just 132 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:32,250 thinking how other people think people. Yeah, yeah. And so he 133 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:35,010 was he was, you know, proverbially smoking his own 134 00:08:35,010 --> 00:08:37,650 dope. And so the whole thing came crumbling down, but now 135 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:41,070 we're going to see the contagion and the reason in my belief, why 136 00:08:41,070 --> 00:08:45,180 Bitcoin goes down besides trust in overall cryptocurrencies, at 137 00:08:45,180 --> 00:08:48,810 this moment, is the liquidation of Bitcoin that has to be 138 00:08:48,810 --> 00:08:52,410 selling Bitcoin to try and get out of as many bad positions as 139 00:08:52,410 --> 00:08:55,680 quickly as possible as this thing, spirals all the way down. 140 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,860 So, so very classic, but there's 1000s of coins and things 141 00:09:01,860 --> 00:09:05,250 connected to, you know, to these types of organizations. I think 142 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:08,760 we'll see more, and they may not be all exchanges, but you know, 143 00:09:08,820 --> 00:09:11,820 there's a lot of coins that will go out of existence and there's 144 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:16,530 more pain to come. But in the meantime, if you look around and 145 00:09:16,530 --> 00:09:19,320 look on Twitter, you'll see that you know, people say oh, yeah, 146 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,410 Bitcoin seems like that's, yeah, it's going down. But you know, 147 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,950 it's also bouncing back up. It seems to be resilient. And 148 00:09:25,950 --> 00:09:29,490 there's reasons why it's because it's it truly is decentralized. 149 00:09:29,490 --> 00:09:34,170 No one calls the shots no one who has to do a mia culpa at the 150 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:39,090 end of a meltdown, like SBF how was that? Beautiful explanation? 151 00:09:39,090 --> 00:09:43,260 Teen minutes of wasted energy? I'm sorry, nine, only nine. 152 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,570 You're just in your head. It's like it's No, I think that's I 153 00:09:48,570 --> 00:09:51,720 think that's a I think that's a good thing to go over because 154 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,160 you have people. I mean, this stuff is hard to understand. 155 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,000 Yeah. Elson, you've got you've got Bitcoin that's a 20,000 156 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,890 Isn't bumping 21 And literally the next day, it's at 17. And 157 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:08,520 it's not, it's not all psychology, it there are 158 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,790 technical factors that are that are happening in other parts of 159 00:10:11,790 --> 00:10:14,580 the market that are affecting the HELOC. And in this scenario, 160 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,090 you know, the two big players were by Nance and in FTX, nobody 161 00:10:21,090 --> 00:10:25,380 knows, but by Nance, they could be in trouble too. Oh, yeah. Oh, 162 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:31,020 definitely. This would be what they did by essentially doing a 163 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:35,670 margin doing a call on all of their, you know, FDA access, and 164 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:39,150 when they they sold at all, they they drove the price down to 165 00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:42,360 almost zero and then they, they could have done that purely on a 166 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,730 defensive move. They look at the they look at the at the 167 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:48,270 chessboard, and they say, Okay, we're the two were two big 168 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:51,420 player were the two big players. We don't want to die. So we're 169 00:10:51,420 --> 00:10:53,910 just gonna go ahead and get rid of ft here. We're gonna 170 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:56,670 sacrifice Maybe he likes to preserve ourselves. Maybe 171 00:10:56,670 --> 00:10:59,640 I mean, you know, the conspiracy theories are all over the place. 172 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,150 Like this guy was always a shill. And you Biden came out 173 00:11:03,150 --> 00:11:05,940 and said, We need their regulation on cryptocurrency 174 00:11:05,940 --> 00:11:09,210 that could be part of it. I don't know. But that's like, I 175 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,730 don't really I want to talk about podcasting, because I'm 176 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:12,720 really excited. 177 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,120 Okay, well, I've got stuff to talk about, but you feel like he 178 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,420 seems like you got something going. Once you fired up? What 179 00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:23,250 do you get? Well, what 180 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:29,310 I wanted to do start off is have everybody take a little mental 181 00:11:29,310 --> 00:11:33,060 snapshot of this moment. Of this moment. 182 00:11:33,630 --> 00:11:34,350 snapshotting. 183 00:11:36,750 --> 00:11:41,910 Got it, because all of you are part of it. And so 18 years from 184 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:46,500 now, when people are talking about 2.0 You're gonna say yeah, 185 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:52,770 I was great in the beginning. was crazy. It was insane. Oh, 186 00:11:52,770 --> 00:11:57,540 yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, there is stuff happening. Dave? I mean, 187 00:11:57,540 --> 00:12:02,370 we are so off to the races. Oh, my God. Todd Cochran is like, 188 00:12:02,790 --> 00:12:04,410 did you hear the new media show? 189 00:12:05,310 --> 00:12:08,430 I haven't heard any podcasts in the last three days. Okay, 190 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:08,580 because 191 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:13,950 I got done listening to. And we'll talk about pod news weekly 192 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:18,330 review in a minute. But I got I was by maybe halfway through new 193 00:12:18,330 --> 00:12:23,190 media show. And Todd is just like, he's just so he's really 194 00:12:23,190 --> 00:12:27,600 deep into value for value. He's just going over it bit by bit. 195 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,860 He's educating. He's excited. He's got ideas. He got secret 196 00:12:31,860 --> 00:12:35,490 meetings, he, you know, like, there's big stuff coming down 197 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:38,010 the pipe. He's saying that, you know, people will be really 198 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:43,740 surprised about podcasting. 2.0 I'm like, damn, I find out what 199 00:12:43,740 --> 00:12:46,080 Todd knows is good. secret meetings. 200 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,710 I like this. 201 00:12:47,189 --> 00:12:55,799 I love secret meetings. I mean, it's just, oh, James, I'm gonna 202 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:59,519 put big baller into the show notes for today. He needed other 203 00:13:01,739 --> 00:13:04,709 than me, if I don't do that right away, then I might forget 204 00:13:04,709 --> 00:13:08,429 it. Yeah. Because he had a big baller boost. And he was like, 205 00:13:08,879 --> 00:13:16,469 Well, if I if I got to have the correct, I haven't bragged if it 206 00:13:16,469 --> 00:13:18,119 was in the repo, and then 207 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:21,450 you've been standing all week in front of a mirror trading 208 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:21,750 practice? 209 00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:31,860 Pretty much. No, but the amount of apps and I would say mainly 210 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,000 the external stuff that is popping up. So I was listening 211 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,920 to to James, I guess from pod news, but it's an Australian 212 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,220 company. So it makes sense and, and pod News in Review is this 213 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:52,770 visie vi ZZ yvz.fm. And we had them on the show. Right but but 214 00:13:52,770 --> 00:13:55,080 now they have cloud chapters. 215 00:13:55,980 --> 00:14:00,030 Yeah. Saw that saw that they he was a nick is the guy over 216 00:14:00,030 --> 00:14:02,280 visit. And he was he's been saying that from that they've 217 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,890 been working on that for a while. That is it was really 218 00:14:04,890 --> 00:14:07,410 cool to see that finally emerge. I haven't I have not looked at 219 00:14:07,410 --> 00:14:09,630 the app yet to see what what's going on there. 220 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:14,880 And, and I you know, we have porn producers in our midst now. 221 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:22,230 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a math, Major League podcast porn. This 222 00:14:22,290 --> 00:14:27,990 this con No, this contracts thing. CO n sh a x, the value 223 00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:32,760 for value dashboard. Dude, I'm gonna start doing screenshots 224 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:35,010 and posting them and, you know, on 225 00:14:35,070 --> 00:14:36,780 on read down, read it. 226 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:42,630 It's true porn. I mean, it's like you're looking at there's 227 00:14:42,630 --> 00:14:46,380 so many ways to slice and dice your statistics. And your 228 00:14:46,380 --> 00:14:49,410 statistics are based on money. So it's like, it's like skipping 229 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:52,380 this whole industry in the middle. Instead of looking at 230 00:14:52,380 --> 00:14:55,740 your stats in your dashboard for your posting company. Oh, it 231 00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:58,260 looks like Man, look, I can't believe there's 10 People in 232 00:14:58,260 --> 00:15:01,350 Iceland. Man this is really great. it and you know, okay, 233 00:15:01,350 --> 00:15:04,320 how do I do? When is my audience growing? And then do I have 234 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,650 enough to get some ads? And you know, I got $24, you know, 235 00:15:07,650 --> 00:15:11,730 whatever. But now, it's like you cut all that out and you're 236 00:15:11,730 --> 00:15:16,050 actually already doing analysis on money. But you don't view it 237 00:15:16,050 --> 00:15:19,710 as money. It's it's statistics, it's listening minutes. It's, 238 00:15:20,190 --> 00:15:23,490 it's loyalty, they have all these little, little things 239 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:26,820 little algos that run. And if I understand that this is the 240 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:31,830 impressive part, is this built with WebAssembly? Is my browser 241 00:15:31,830 --> 00:15:37,050 doing all this work? Yes, that is mind blowing. So there's no 242 00:15:37,050 --> 00:15:39,540 server? No server? 243 00:15:39,630 --> 00:15:43,380 So did they get? Did they get it to where it could handle your 244 00:15:43,380 --> 00:15:44,010 volume? 245 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:52,620 Absolutely not? No, not even close. I mean, so here's the and 246 00:15:52,650 --> 00:15:55,590 it's so interesting. Because of the experience we have with 247 00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:59,820 heavy paddock, I can feel what's going on, I know how, how things 248 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:03,480 draws and batches in from your notes. So in essence, what 249 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,330 you're doing is you're connecting your web browser with 250 00:16:06,450 --> 00:16:10,890 a virtual machine with a an application running in the 251 00:16:10,890 --> 00:16:14,220 database and all kinds of stuff, I guess, you're connecting that 252 00:16:14,220 --> 00:16:16,590 to your lb wallet, and then bringing in through, you know, 253 00:16:16,590 --> 00:16:20,520 the traditional protocols is bringing in your data. So first 254 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:26,400 of all, I mean, I have almost 200,000 transactions that just 255 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,730 gets me to I think when I started using get Alby around 256 00:16:30,510 --> 00:16:36,180 the beginning of October, but it takes a long time for it to load 257 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:38,670 everything in and, and then 258 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:41,850 slicing and oldest and going to the newest notes starting 259 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:45,660 in starting at newest and going to oldest Thank goodness. Oh, so 260 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:48,330 you can start using it right away, although and it is good 261 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,420 dynamic. So as you're looking at it, you know, like the most 262 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:54,990 supported episode will change dynamically. So without 263 00:16:54,990 --> 00:16:59,670 refreshing anything. But it's you know, without having a full 264 00:16:59,670 --> 00:17:03,480 spectrum. So I don't really know when I have seven days or 30 265 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,530 days. Do I have it all in there. It shows me that's loading, but 266 00:17:07,530 --> 00:17:10,140 I need a timeline, which would be cool. So okay, this is how 267 00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:13,290 far back in the database it is, or this is how far back you want 268 00:17:13,290 --> 00:17:17,670 to go. And then in general, in general, I'm using brave, just 269 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:24,120 let you know. It's a little on the slowest side with that 270 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:32,340 amount of data. It's still mind boggling. And and I've just been 271 00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:36,300 using it for analyzing the difference between the no agenda 272 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:40,080 15th anniversary week episodes, which by the way would be so 273 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,400 cool to overlay that with some OPI three data. Oh, my God, I'm 274 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:50,970 getting wood here. So cool. So but what I mean is that, in 275 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:55,500 addition to all this, the TX T tag, which seems to be garnering 276 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:59,820 support, and you know, we obviously there's some some 277 00:17:59,820 --> 00:18:04,200 opportunities, I think people are are seeing this. Thank you. 278 00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:09,270 Thank you to everybody who trusts us with your goods. I 279 00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:12,510 mean, I know it's the same trust as with your value block. And 280 00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:17,940 obviously the feed is the ultimate source of truth. But 281 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:20,460 you know, that's a responsibility. I don't take 282 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:21,030 lightly. 283 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,550 What do you mean trust with your goods? I 284 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:26,430 don't understand what we're because the we're driving the 285 00:18:26,430 --> 00:18:29,670 GUID project and we're now the place to look up your GUID. 286 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:33,750 Oh, yeah. Yes. Which mean? Well, that's in that has to get 287 00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:37,500 better. So that's part of what I've been thinking about. And 288 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:43,590 this week, and there has to be a quick do it res like good 289 00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:47,490 resolution thing, because this is this is going to start tying 290 00:18:47,490 --> 00:18:51,390 in to everything like a DNS. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there has to 291 00:18:51,390 --> 00:18:55,980 be a good resolver that's open and doesn't need an API key and 292 00:18:55,980 --> 00:18:59,580 things like that. In I'm thinking about 293 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:06,300 a home, that is so cool. A good resolver Nice. Yeah, yeah. 294 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:07,920 Marketing dream. Okay, keep going. 295 00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:11,670 Yeah. So you get there would be you know, let's just say get on 296 00:19:11,670 --> 00:19:17,610 a podcast good.io or whatever needs slash slash the GU ID and 297 00:19:17,610 --> 00:19:21,450 it gives you back the feed URL. Like, it just needs to be that 298 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:23,610 simple. There has to be like, Yeah, 299 00:19:23,610 --> 00:19:26,700 of course. Just super fast. Yeah, course. 300 00:19:27,330 --> 00:19:31,140 And I'm thinking. So I'm thinking that it doesn't, I 301 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:37,860 don't want to tie that to the index API. I'd rather because 302 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:40,170 you me, you still get to do it to the index API. But I'd like 303 00:19:40,170 --> 00:19:45,180 to have it just a standalone bread stamp. Yeah. And possibly 304 00:19:45,210 --> 00:19:49,080 through a Cloudflare worker with you know, absolutely, 305 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:53,640 absolutely. You said that it's boom, boom, boom, he just hit it 306 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,690 1000 times to say 307 00:19:55,409 --> 00:20:01,649 something that event of total meltdown someone could Uh, Rick 308 00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:04,289 compile it from GitHub and have it up and running in a couple 309 00:20:04,289 --> 00:20:04,799 hours. 310 00:20:05,220 --> 00:20:08,070 Yeah, it's gotta just keep working. Yeah, it's just gotta 311 00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:11,430 keep working all the time. Because that's that's where 312 00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:14,220 we're going with this because here's a I don't know if you've 313 00:20:14,220 --> 00:20:20,010 been keeping an eyeball on the discussions around like, 314 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:26,850 updating external way call assets like updating external 315 00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:29,550 assets like chapter transcripts, blah, blah, blah, Dave, I 316 00:20:29,550 --> 00:20:33,930 know everything. Okay. But refresh my memory, 317 00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:36,660 since you are intimately familiar with updating external 318 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:42,540 assets. I would like to return refresh your memory on the on 319 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:44,760 the sometimes problematic nature of that 320 00:20:44,790 --> 00:20:48,210 Oh, usually problematic, that in itself is problematic 321 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,370 on this sometimes problem matory? 322 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:52,680 Well, so yes. 323 00:20:53,370 --> 00:20:58,710 The said sometimes you update the chapters, as in no agenda. 324 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:04,830 Yeah. After the fact a few hours later. Yep. And nobody knows you 325 00:21:04,830 --> 00:21:09,600 did it. So you have to go check. And then you're back to the No, 326 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:15,090 I do if I may. If I may. interject, you may. Thank you. 327 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:19,860 The process as I understood it, is I can update that and then I 328 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:23,550 can I hit pod ping again. Of course they don't have a reason 329 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:27,960 code. So Zola's still be up to the individual apps and 330 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,220 podcasts. And in fact, podcasts index as to how that is handled. 331 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:35,100 Is that not the expected way with a reason code in the 332 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:35,550 future? 333 00:21:35,970 --> 00:21:39,390 Is there that is that is a proposed way with a reason code 334 00:21:39,390 --> 00:21:45,870 in the future from Alex. He has proposed on the GitHub, a notify 335 00:21:45,870 --> 00:21:51,330 reason code of update e x t. Which would say, you know, the 336 00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:52,080 three didn't update. 337 00:21:52,110 --> 00:21:56,700 Oh, right. External Data external resources. Nice one. 338 00:21:57,060 --> 00:22:02,430 Yes. And that ties to the GU ID. So we need the GU ID resolver in 339 00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:05,610 place before. Before we can why 340 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,850 these other things. Why do we need the GUID resolver that in 341 00:22:08,850 --> 00:22:09,540 that spot? 342 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:15,450 Because it's going to reference the updated? The updated Oh, for 343 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:18,810 for speed will be this good. This good? Updated? 344 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:22,140 Right? And then short? Is it short? Is 345 00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:26,490 it like a new? I'm sorry to keep interrupting my numbers? Is this 346 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:29,760 kind of like it? So we'll pod ping soon also just be accepting 347 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,700 goods instead of URLs or in addition to 348 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:36,330 in? Probably not, I mean, because that's coming from. 349 00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:42,510 That's TBD. Okay. Well, 350 00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:44,610 jumping ahead and ruining the politics. 351 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:50,850 No, no, no remote item also needs good. So we're, Oh, heck 352 00:22:50,850 --> 00:22:54,660 yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we we need guid on that thing I need. 353 00:22:54,930 --> 00:23:00,270 Good. What's your Hey, baby? What's your good hold on a 354 00:23:00,270 --> 00:23:03,210 second? I'm writing these down T shirt. Hello, shop. Hello, 355 00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:05,730 podcast index shop. What's your good babes? 356 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:07,710 Have good question, Mark. 357 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:15,090 Oh, where's the good? Where's the good? 358 00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:23,850 Oh, yeah. So that we need we need that. That's Oh, I like I 359 00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:28,890 feel good. That's good. I like that hard hat. Yeah, we need 360 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:31,830 that. So that's gonna be the priority. 361 00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:37,530 So yeah, Ice Cube soup is is semi trolling, say this is so 362 00:23:37,530 --> 00:23:43,140 painful, I think to listen to. I think instead of being cryptic 363 00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:45,630 and a douchebag, because he says too bad. There wasn't already a 364 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:48,390 globally scaled system, which provided for lookup of arbitrary 365 00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:51,510 key slash value data, which has been proven as an immense scale 366 00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:55,350 over the course a decade that you mean, you just want to say 367 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:58,020 hey, how about DNS? Is that what you want to say? Be a little 368 00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:59,070 productive, bro. 369 00:23:59,820 --> 00:24:03,180 I don't want to I don't want to put like nailed 370 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:04,320 the voice I know of course. 371 00:24:06,150 --> 00:24:08,670 I want to lodge it I want to Fort it. Can I lodge a protest? 372 00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:12,750 I did not know that this was a troll room. I thought this was a 373 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:16,380 chat room. And I did not know that trolls were invading this 374 00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:16,830 one. 375 00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:19,680 But that's my fault. You know, with me comes the good and the 376 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,000 bad, the good and the bad. 377 00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:25,260 Okay, but DNS. I don't want to put 5 million records in DNS 378 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:27,090 please. Do I mean, 379 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:28,830 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly? 380 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,410 That's a good one. Actually. That's pretty good. I'm not you 381 00:24:34,410 --> 00:24:36,540 know, you do whatever you want. But I'm not putting, you know, 382 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:41,310 five, 6 million records in DNS. I'm just not doing that. And I'm 383 00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:45,870 not building my own back end for a DNS front end. This just does 384 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:49,470 this is madness. So yeah. 385 00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:57,300 The pod sage has spoken. This is madness. 386 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,630 Yes. And This this is not happening. So yes, this will 387 00:25:03,660 --> 00:25:08,190 this will be a thing, but it will not be based on poor DNS. 388 00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:13,110 Because then everybody will say, you know, the problem is always 389 00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:13,560 good. 390 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:18,330 Hey man, you can get a handshake h and s name for that. Buy my 391 00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:19,140 shit coin. 392 00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:24,030 That's how we'll fund it. Yeah. 393 00:25:25,050 --> 00:25:27,150 All right. What's your idea? Smarty Pants? 394 00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:33,570 Me? Yeah, the result the just a straight HTTP URL resolver DNS, 395 00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:36,960 by the way, DNS, if you haven't noticed that's moving off of 396 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,420 isn't going away from UDP, and going to DNS over HTTPS anyway. 397 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:45,150 So the world is HTTP 398 00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:48,720 resolver. For you may I mean, I understand the concept of result 399 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,730 of a resolver. What is the what's the stack? What's that? 400 00:25:53,730 --> 00:25:58,440 Do you use for said revolver? resolver? Remember all the good 401 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,100 revolver? 402 00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:04,470 So it is just a single call. It's just like, you know, the 403 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:08,730 stack would be Cloudflare? Hopefully, I got you. It would 404 00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:09,780 just be like, you know, 405 00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:12,810 right. But so put that into database? Or is that just flat 406 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:14,190 file? How does that work? 407 00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:16,950 What they have there? I forgot what is called this, like 408 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:21,120 distributed block storage or not block storage, but it's like 409 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,870 their version of Dynamo DB or whatever. I wish I could 410 00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:28,530 remember the name of it, it's what johnsburg blocks using for 411 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:32,340 op three was enough for Spurlock it's good enough for me. 412 00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:35,340 Well, you know, you got these edge event edge nodes all over 413 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:39,690 the place that have local copies of of a distributed key value 414 00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:44,970 store. And you can just tap into that. And, you know, this is all 415 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:52,080 just simplistic data, you know, it's like, feed guid Feed URL. 416 00:26:52,350 --> 00:26:52,740 Yeah. 417 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:00,150 Okay, great idea. Well, I again, I love that we're building that. 418 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:02,760 And I think it's incredibly important. It will really 419 00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:08,190 because I understand the value of it. And how it will enable a 420 00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:13,530 lot of things under the hood. A lot of things and I just want to 421 00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:15,810 put on I'm sorry, you're done with good. We have more to do 422 00:27:15,810 --> 00:27:16,440 about good. 423 00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:18,360 No, I'm good. 424 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,310 You're good. Yeah, that was that was good one, Dave, thanks to 425 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:26,820 play. 426 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:37,080 I have been able to this was the beginning of the week. And now 427 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,690 I'm already excited about so many other things I've really 428 00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:42,600 been blown my mind has been blown by the conversation we had 429 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,740 in the last board meeting about the concept of putting 1% split 430 00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:51,270 into your value block to activate a value for value 431 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:56,460 service, or as value for value. Or you could make it more or the 432 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,870 I mean, it's not pure value for value, but and which may be 433 00:28:00,870 --> 00:28:04,260 limiting. But, you know, a service could say, you know, we 434 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:08,190 require three 3% or whatever, you split that off, and then you 435 00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:12,330 get that service, you're able to access that because they have 436 00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:17,220 your payment information, you know, the the streaming sets. 437 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:22,020 And I just need to keep saying how it's like a podcast or API, 438 00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:27,210 it's so beautiful. I don't have to think about any other 439 00:28:27,210 --> 00:28:30,510 integration other than that one thing, just add this service to 440 00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:33,930 the split, and it goes and and you can always have 441 00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:37,770 authentication if you don't want to be public, etc. Right? It's 442 00:28:37,770 --> 00:28:39,600 just blowing my mind. Does that make any sense? 443 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,480 Yeah, no, that's it's been it scales perfectly. Because if you 444 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,190 have if you if I if I activate your service with a 1% split, 445 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:56,610 and as my show grows, I'm paying you more money without having to 446 00:28:56,610 --> 00:29:00,120 do anything. You're you're getting more, you're getting 447 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,190 more money from me because it's a percentage of my of my 448 00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:08,550 earnings rather than a static amount, right? And there's no 449 00:29:08,550 --> 00:29:14,040 1999 a month. Yes, it's a it's a 1%. So if all of a sudden my 450 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,000 show grows, as you know, grows by a factor of 20. Well, then my 451 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,660 support to you grows by a factor of 20 as well. And that's just 452 00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:26,910 like, to me, it's a beautiful, scaling sliding support system 453 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:30,330 that you don't have to worry about, you know, oh, we 454 00:29:30,330 --> 00:29:32,940 accidentally sold it too cheap in the beginning. Now we've got 455 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:36,180 to come back and ask for more money because the service is 456 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:38,430 getting you know, creaky because things are 457 00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:41,310 and there's no and there's no sign up or sign off. You know, 458 00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:45,420 it's like remove your remove your split. And and I'm so 459 00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:47,190 excited. I don't know if I talked about this. I'm so 460 00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:52,440 excited. Comic Strip blah. Blogger really drove this. And I 461 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,430 knew there was a reason he's been in my life for 30 years. He 462 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,720 he pushed it near we I don't know if we Talk about this last 463 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,310 week about the no agenda album art. 464 00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:05,910 We did, but it was just in the idea phase, it was not in the 465 00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:06,630 action phase. 466 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:12,090 Oh, so you did yesterday. So he really pushed this. And and the 467 00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:15,690 artists are now using Albie wallets and they're putting that 468 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:19,110 there get Alby address into their profile on no agenda Art 469 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:23,280 Generator no agenda twice a week picks a new piece of art right 470 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,620 after the show which artists have made while listening to the 471 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:28,260 show live and that become so when we find that very exciting 472 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:32,250 that the album art changes. It's a great use of podcasting, 2.0 473 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:35,580 tags and all kinds of stuff like that. And the rest of the art is 474 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:39,600 used for chapters, which we'll get to in a minute. So I you 475 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,540 know, I've mentioned this many times before on this show, even 476 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,820 on no agenda, Hey, gang, we should get your so I'm kind of 477 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:49,200 like yourself, and I'll be check that out. So finally, someone 478 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:54,630 was awarded with the, with the art and had get Alby in their, 479 00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:59,160 in their profile, I didn't see it comics or Blogger did. And by 480 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:05,700 chance, or by scale, the past three artists have all had an lb 481 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,750 wall in their profile. So I just added them right in 10%. And the 482 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:15,690 joy, the joy. He was very excited, of course, because 483 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:19,620 you're seeing the SAT streaming, and oh, by the way, go get him 484 00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:23,220 get a hold of contracts. And then you know, start to slice 485 00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:25,740 and dice and see the performance of your art and you know, maybe 486 00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:28,800 other podcasters will do this as well. And you know, there's a 487 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,240 whole sub industry. It's how 488 00:31:33,690 --> 00:31:39,270 can't you in a situation like that, so as I'm thinking about 489 00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:44,280 the the our generator, website, I mean, it would be pretty 490 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,320 simple to hook that into the Alby back end with a name with a 491 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,020 wealth API, where you can just maybe just create a wallet, 492 00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:52,230 right, 493 00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:55,440 great idea. Great idea. I don't know if Sir Paul couture listens 494 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,680 to podcasts and 2.0 but I'm sure someone is listening. In no 495 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,260 agenda nation who can can offer that up? 496 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,650 Just just riffing on the on the beauty of open systems. 497 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:10,230 And with that comes something else a I was wrong. I was very 498 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:15,330 wrong about something very, very wrong. And I want to apologize 499 00:32:15,330 --> 00:32:23,430 or I want to say I was wrong. I was wrong about the comments 500 00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:29,130 implemented with booster grams, that fountain drove and 501 00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:34,530 implemented. All the things I thought that would happen. And 502 00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:37,290 I've done that I've been using the fountain app, I've been 503 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,700 interacting with the comments. On no agenda. Since that's where 504 00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:45,090 we left we left it turned on. I've been looking at the boost 505 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,640 amounts of I've tracked this and it has only added to the value 506 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,140 for value it did not detract as I expected it would from larger 507 00:32:55,140 --> 00:33:00,630 boosts. In fact, what will what what we can do with that is 508 00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:06,870 second thing the the main thing is I may a culpa, I apologize, I 509 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:12,360 had hate in my heart, about this particular towards all of 510 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,370 Britain, but I had hate my 511 00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:17,220 all of it was a whole Commonwealth, your 512 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:23,610 definitely Australia, Australia, the old thank you for correcting 513 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:27,300 me, anyone British who's involved in this. I was like, I 514 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:32,670 apologize for that. Because this really is something very 515 00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:37,260 interesting. It's working incredibly well. I don't know, 516 00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:42,780 if it's simple to do something decentralized that enables this 517 00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:51,570 cross platform. And I don't want to confuse the issues but it's, 518 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,230 it's really compelling. And and and I don't realize, 519 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,630 I don't want that said this. To me. This is a to me, the 520 00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:04,890 fountain, the fountain lightning comments are a form of fountain 521 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:12,780 feature. And it's sort of like contracts is a Alby feature that 522 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:17,070 you enable. To me these things are platform specific, and they 523 00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:21,030 add to the value of the of what's happening on that 524 00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:26,790 platform. But I don't I don't want I don't feel comfortable 525 00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:32,430 with that. Something like that becoming quote like Z standard. 526 00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:36,480 A for things for something like cross out comments. I think that 527 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:44,010 the cross up comments has to stay purely a protocol. Play 528 00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:47,760 like act, you know, activity pub, especially this kind of 529 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,760 rolls into what I'm saying. I'm not sure if that was even what 530 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,140 you're saying. I'm kind of written No, 531 00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:57,000 that's not exactly what I'm saying. But um, right. What um, 532 00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,970 hold on. Let me see before we continue, let me see if I can 533 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,900 clarify what I'm saying. Whatever this is, can it be done 534 00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:12,390 in between apps? And with that, I don't mean, Oscar has to set 535 00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:20,520 up an API server so that Steven B can access, replies etc. If 536 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,850 it's if that if that's not possible, then I'm not 537 00:35:23,850 --> 00:35:26,160 interested because I didn't I think you're right. It's 538 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,790 completely platform specific. Having thinking about it. And 539 00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:36,180 again, in my mind is like, can I add a 1% split? Just like, like 540 00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:39,540 the boost bot is another great example. The boost bot works 541 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:43,770 because I send money to it. It's, it's the most beautiful, 542 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:50,040 beautiful thing you can imagine. Can I enable this on more than 543 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,990 one platform or all or all platforms at once? And maybe 544 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:58,530 and, and by the way, and I agree, I don't want it to be 545 00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:02,970 cross app comments, which has zero traction. But since 546 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:06,990 Mastodon has gotten some attention, that's where I was 547 00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:10,350 going. But But I will tell you, I don't think it makes any 548 00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:16,710 difference. This Mastodon the inflow? I really don't know. I 549 00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:19,320 don't think it'll I don't think it'll make any app developer 550 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,030 implement cross app comments. 551 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,660 Disagree, because 552 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:29,400 the fear is something else that I'm that I just can't put my 553 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,020 email. It's up, but it's not being implemented. I mean, it 554 00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:42,120 well, it's, it's, here's, here's the thing that seems to me like 555 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,330 well, will evolve because as I see, this is sort of like this 556 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,820 unfolding story that's happening right now. With the influx. The 557 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:59,700 the outflows from Twitter into Mastodon is that when Mastodon 558 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,910 as it continues to expand, you're going to see that people 559 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:10,290 are going to want their own like presence and in Spurlock talked 560 00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:14,790 about it this morning on the on podcast index dot social. So 561 00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:17,040 this morning or last night, he said something to the effect of 562 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,730 you know, it's it's a shame that having your own personal 563 00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:25,560 presence in the fediverse has become synonymous with I'm gonna 564 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,300 go roll my own Mastodon server. Because for a lot of people, my 565 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,550 let's just say many, many people, that's going to be 566 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:39,660 overkill. So like, like Crillon rolled his own Mastodon and just 567 00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:42,960 for himself, if he had to, essentially it's just one 568 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:45,660 guy had one of those are mastodons know what Yeah, but 569 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:51,120 I'll tell you what happens. I have psyops shop.com. And, I 570 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,540 mean, you can you can follow people and, and subscribe. But 571 00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:57,930 you know, it's you feel very empty, your soul remains empty 572 00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:01,380 in your own little place. You may invite a couple people in 573 00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:04,200 and they may post once or twice, and then they kind of go away 574 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,680 and go back to the home where they are. I barely use no agenda 575 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,720 social.com Because of the nature of the fediverse everyone sees 576 00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:17,040 at Adam, because it crosses over between, you know, with with the 577 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,460 timelines, because people follow me in both places. I might as 578 00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:24,120 well just use Adam at podcast index dot social, because that's 579 00:38:24,330 --> 00:38:26,910 what I wanted replying to most people with because for some 580 00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:29,790 reason it shows up in my timeline over there, though. 581 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:33,330 Yeah. And I think that that's, I think as that we'll see what 582 00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:37,020 needs to happen because of that, because of this sort of 583 00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:42,960 absurdity of having to do any deal that people need. There 584 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,300 needs to be a light, a lighter, a lighter stack for activity pub 585 00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:55,920 presents. And that is what comes next to me in my mind is the the 586 00:38:55,950 --> 00:39:00,060 sort of lightweight activity pubs stack. That's more of a 587 00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:05,730 personal thing. And that's when that's when cross app comments 588 00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:11,700 begins to I feel like cross app comments was birthed at just the 589 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:14,910 right time. Because if you if you think about I mean, activity 590 00:39:14,910 --> 00:39:18,600 Pub is a protocol was around for years and years and years before 591 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,030 Mastodon really created a household word. And I think the 592 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:26,790 same thing is probably I don't know if it's going to take years 593 00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:32,550 or months. I don't know. But I feel like the activity pub roots 594 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,080 of cross app comments happened in exactly the right time. Now 595 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,130 you have this influx into the fediverse. And the next thing 596 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,710 you know you see is activity Pub is people wanting to to interact 597 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:51,780 with the fediverse in its native language, not through Twitter, 598 00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:52,020 which 599 00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:56,340 is API. I just put just put a pin right there stop because I 600 00:39:56,340 --> 00:39:58,950 want to continue this because I have a lot a lot to say and I 601 00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:02,550 like where that's going Okay, just for a moment, going back to 602 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:11,100 the AMA called SATs chat, okay, just to segment it off from 603 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:15,450 cross app comments, because it's not SATs, chat, Snapchat, 604 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,540 Snapchat, something like that. I know, it sucks. It's too much 605 00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:19,350 sibilance 606 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:30,390 can we make or is there a place in the current namespace where I 607 00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:35,730 can add external, a pointer to external data, such as a 608 00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:38,520 chapters file, such as a, I mean, maybe it's a whole, maybe 609 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:44,100 it's a whole new tag for external service. So I activate 610 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:48,630 the external service with a percentage of payment. So let's 611 00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:55,980 say I wanted to set chat server. And so then all I have to do is, 612 00:40:56,190 --> 00:41:00,270 say, in my feed, here's the sad chat server that I send money 613 00:41:00,270 --> 00:41:04,080 to, and you can pick up whatever whatever the information is that 614 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,500 is there. So that is a separate thing that all apps can 615 00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:11,730 implement or not. Is that something that we can do? 616 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,280 Yes, I think that was the idea behind the original proposal was 617 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,090 that you can 618 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,580 what is the what is the original proposal? It's not called 619 00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:22,560 credit. This isn't I thought this was under cross app 620 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,250 comments. 621 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:26,790 It was But see, that's the thing as he probably should have never 622 00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:27,990 been No, yeah, we probably should 623 00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:31,800 take it out. So can we can we do that? Because he what I see. And 624 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,250 then I'll stop, we can talk about later another time. I see 625 00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:41,220 a huge industry for services that provide this type of 626 00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:44,670 interaction with payment. I didn't I didn't believe I would. 627 00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:49,110 But I'm taking it all back. And I think there's a huge 628 00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:53,160 opportunity there. And it may go way beyond podcasting, but I 629 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,120 would love to see a way for podcasting to drive interactive 630 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,590 services that you can that as a producer, someone just create or 631 00:42:01,830 --> 00:42:05,610 a podcast, you can just this goes in my feed and this goes in 632 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:08,850 my in my feed, I add this URL and this split. 633 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,720 What is it you see this looking like? Like I don't? I don't 634 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:22,980 think I'm seeing your vision here. Cuz I see like, are you 635 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:27,720 thinking more like some sort of like public message board type? 636 00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:30,900 I don't know. Have you ever played with the with the with 637 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:34,470 the fountain? chat in the comments? Have you ever played 638 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:35,970 with it? Yeah, yes, 639 00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:36,870 I've seen it. No, 640 00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:40,020 I know, you've seen it. I've seen it. But when you interact 641 00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:44,280 with it, this, it's really quite interesting. And especially if 642 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,150 it's active, which no agendas happened to be, I mean, there's 643 00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:52,080 a lot of different comments and Okay, numerology, it's kind of 644 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,700 like, in a way, it's like, the booster gram corner, is where 645 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,680 people are sitting around there. And they talk about booster 646 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,290 grams, and they boost and they chat about stuff. And it's just, 647 00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:06,600 it's not, I don't know it. I'm seeing a community. I'm a, I'm a 648 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,290 community organizer. I'm seeing a community. I'm seeing 649 00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:14,670 communities being built around each episode, the n people are 650 00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:19,260 doing or expressing themselves with Satoshis. And people are, 651 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:28,740 are commenting and boosting those people. So it's maybe 652 00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:32,970 maybe this is more chat than anything I think about it's very 653 00:43:32,970 --> 00:43:36,750 YouTube comments reminiscent. So it's not exactly I don't know 654 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:40,650 what it is. It's, it's an incredibly crazy thing, man. No, 655 00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:46,230 wait, wait. I this is uh, now I'll tell you why my thinking 656 00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:48,690 has been all screwed up this week. And why I'm thinking big. 657 00:43:49,650 --> 00:43:56,070 Okay. I should have done this earlier. Someone sent me a clip 658 00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:59,940 of a small portion about a minute from 1999. And I've seen 659 00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:02,670 this full interview. I've played this clip on no agenda in the 660 00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:06,300 past, even though this is eight years before no agenda even 661 00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:12,480 started. So this was over. So what is it 2122 years ago? 23 662 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,310 years ago. And this was at the time Now think back to 1999. 663 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:23,850 Some of you did not have a driver's license. Some of you 664 00:44:25,050 --> 00:44:31,590 were playing with Barbie dolls. This is David Bowie. Explaining 665 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:35,850 what he believes the impact of the internet will be and and I 666 00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:40,050 think you'll be interested to hear particularly the the last 667 00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:41,670 last part of this clip. 668 00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:45,660 I don't think we've even seen that tip of the iceberg. I think 669 00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:49,800 the potential of what the internet is going to do to 670 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:56,280 society, both good and bad, is unimaginable. I think we're 671 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,970 actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and 672 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,340 Terrifying. It's just a tool. Oh, isn't it? No, it's not. No. 673 00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:08,700 Now it's an alien life form. What do you think? 674 00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:11,940 I mean, when you think then about is there life 675 00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:15,240 on Mars? Yes, it's just landed here. But that's 676 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,510 it's a simply a different delivery system there. You are 677 00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:20,430 arguing about something more profound. Oh, yeah, I'm 678 00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:23,910 talking about that there's the actual context. And the state of 679 00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:27,720 content is going to be so different to anything that we 680 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:30,540 can really envisage at the moment where the interplay 681 00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:34,860 between the user and the provider will be. So in 682 00:45:34,860 --> 00:45:38,130 simpatico it's going to it's going to crush our ideas are 683 00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:41,340 what mediums are all about. 684 00:45:41,699 --> 00:45:48,059 The user and the provider, simpatico will crash our ideas 685 00:45:48,089 --> 00:45:53,729 of what medium is all about? Dude, we are building Bowie's 686 00:45:53,729 --> 00:45:59,099 vision. It's really what's happening here. 687 00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:04,770 Yeah, I can see that for sure. That's what it feels like. Yeah, 688 00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:12,120 that's the best part of that. Clip was, this is not just a 689 00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:14,430 this is not just a different delivery mechanisms. Is it 690 00:46:14,430 --> 00:46:14,850 alien? 691 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:18,570 Exactly. Now, let me let me back into where I think what what I'm 692 00:46:18,570 --> 00:46:23,460 trying to communicate is coming from. And I just see, forget the 693 00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:27,180 whole service part, just trying to trying to put it in a box 694 00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:30,510 that isn't cross app comments. Okay, that's what I'm trying to 695 00:46:30,510 --> 00:46:37,710 do. And maybe it's, maybe it's part of lit. And you know, lit 696 00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:41,640 continues after lit is no longer lit. You know this, right? So, 697 00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:45,750 if you, okay, I was starting to come clear to me. So the 698 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:49,590 experience I have in the fountain app, specifically with 699 00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:56,700 this chat slash boosting each other commenting, etc, is 700 00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:00,990 completely analogous to YouTube. At the same time that I'm 701 00:47:00,990 --> 00:47:06,000 thinking all these things is the Bowie thing comes to me. Odyssey 702 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,350 is in trouble Odyssey, which is the library token they've had a 703 00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:14,550 lawsuit going for a long time. Finally, you know, the final 704 00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:18,420 word is in although there will be another appeal. You guys, 705 00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:21,540 you're a security. So you know, people were basically investing 706 00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:25,080 in your company, this was not just a straight out coin, like 707 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,230 Bitcoin and lightning. So their whole business model is in 708 00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:31,530 trouble. And they probably can't use the token, or the things 709 00:47:31,530 --> 00:47:34,560 will have to change over there. And this is what a lot of people 710 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,850 saw, particularly YouTubers, and the ones I'm going off what 711 00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:42,330 motels me. So I'm telling you, black YouTube, as he calls it. 712 00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:45,540 They were using Odyssey and they're ready to move somewhere. 713 00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:48,660 And I see this opportunity. I see. I see I see it. So we're 714 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:52,200 moving towards the Super Chat. We have most of it. We have this 715 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:54,780 we're doing it now. We're doing super chat. Without the video, 716 00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:56,940 we don't quite have the video part straightened out, but 717 00:47:56,940 --> 00:48:00,180 hopefully will. And that's I'm not the guy who can push that 718 00:48:00,180 --> 00:48:08,910 because I don't do it. The so that combo? I mean, fountain can 719 00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:15,150 build this. And if I were a paid advisor, which I'm not, I would 720 00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:18,930 advise them to build a YouTube experience with whatever the 721 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,220 that that chat thing is, with Super Chat, make it work in the 722 00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:26,160 live environment figure how I figured out how to get people to 723 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,150 do video. All I'm trying to do in the board meeting is see if 724 00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:33,240 we can do that in a way that everybody can do it. And if that 725 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,920 requires an external service that provides this chat 726 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,500 environment because it's, we have different ideas about 727 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,890 activity pub, and what real cross app comments are which I 728 00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:51,210 have a dynamite idea for. Maybe that's something that we need to 729 00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:53,580 put together. Does that make any sense that I'm trying to back 730 00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:54,300 into this? 731 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,400 Yeah. I'm glad that you kept on talking, explaining things 732 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,760 because I think here's based on that, here's what I would like. 733 00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:09,060 Here's what I would like to see happen out of that if to meet to 734 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:15,900 me and make sense in this way. Fountain has a has its has its 735 00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,290 lightning comment system. It works. It works well. And 736 00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:26,010 fountain nipro. You know, pod verse maybe has a lightning 737 00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:29,820 comment system if they want one or something. These things, 738 00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:35,280 whatever systems are internal, within the app platforms 739 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,790 themselves to provide the sort of to provide the super chat 740 00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:45,060 functionality. As long as it comes out of there as activity 741 00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:49,950 pub as long as it comes out of there in a non paid neutral way. 742 00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:56,580 That's to me that's that solves the problem. Like you're on the 743 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,920 on the specific app platforms themselves. internally, they can 744 00:50:01,950 --> 00:50:05,700 too, like, what fountain is really doing here is converting 745 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,290 is they're organizing booster grams into a threaded Super 746 00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:15,090 Chat. Yeah. And so that's fine within the within the fountain 747 00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:19,830 platform, what I what you have to have an order to quote 748 00:50:19,830 --> 00:50:23,550 unquote like federate that out Yeah, so that I can see that in 749 00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:29,370 cast ematic and, and see all that activity going on like 750 00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:32,610 today I can go to YouTube, I can see all the comments that are 751 00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:35,910 paid, I can see all the comments that are unpaid. So you have 752 00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:38,640 multiple options for the people who are participating in 753 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,360 simpatico with the Creator, as Bowie said, you've got all that 754 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,470 stuff going on, but then I can hop in as just a lurker and saw 755 00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:48,960 and see the whole thing happening. All right. 756 00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:57,150 So as long as we can connect, because fountain and I actually 757 00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:02,550 did talk to to the guys over there, they'll get a call to 758 00:51:02,550 --> 00:51:04,680 hey, can we have a chat with you? I'm like, fuck are these 759 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,260 guys out of money? I'm gonna have to go help them find money. 760 00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:11,040 That's just what I immediately thought like, Why are they 761 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,410 calling me it's like the maybe 762 00:51:14,460 --> 00:51:16,050 because they're nice guys. Yeah, 763 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,630 no, they just want to pick my brain about stuff and we were 764 00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:23,700 spitballing a bit and I was just like, wow, that's that's it's 765 00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,520 really interesting. And then so I said, Are you going to 766 00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:29,610 implement lit and they said yeah, we really want to put that 767 00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:33,150 high priority. So when when they get lit going they're gonna have 768 00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:35,820 a lot of things to have fun with an experiment with and how that 769 00:51:35,820 --> 00:51:42,240 interacts with the current chat room although I guess I could if 770 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,340 they had a system I could point to that I don't know we're gonna 771 00:51:44,340 --> 00:51:47,040 figure that out. That's the running with scissors part. But 772 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,690 now back to activity pub and Mastodon here's a thought I had 773 00:51:53,940 --> 00:52:03,270 there's a go to pinafore dot social p i n a fore pinafore dot 774 00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:03,900 social 775 00:52:05,310 --> 00:52:12,030 P in a fre does social Yeah. Okay is a web client for 776 00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:15,300 Mastodon designed for speed and simplicity read the introductory 777 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:17,700 blog post or get started by logging into an instance. 778 00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:21,600 Now login to your instance. Whichever one 779 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,620 you want to log into podcast now 780 00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:30,180 I only have an idea of how this is working behind the scenes but 781 00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:34,620 it's it's clearly an OH off you know your whatever Mastodon uses 782 00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:37,590 is getting authenticated. That's all happening in the web 783 00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:41,550 browser. And boom, you have an entirely different skin on top 784 00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:47,250 of an existing Mastodon instance. And this one, as you 785 00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:50,970 can tell is built for speed. But it has it has a whole different 786 00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:54,930 theme. I'm going to presume that I didn't hand off all my 787 00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:58,350 credentials in this process. I'm going to presume that I trust 788 00:52:58,350 --> 00:53:02,490 all the things but I'm okay running with scissors. But why 789 00:53:02,490 --> 00:53:07,830 couldn't you make reverse the process out? Start with the 790 00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:13,200 comments in the native Mastodon with with one of these pinafore 791 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:18,360 dot social idea web interfaces over the top of the instance and 792 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:24,360 then let people add their their Alby wallet add a player before 793 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,850 you know it you have some functionality going here. 794 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:32,250 Oh, I agree. This is this is a really cool thing and in here so 795 00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:35,580 I pull up my pull up my 796 00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:39,930 I mean, it's a quick way to make a great community around your 797 00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:42,240 podcast and your podcast episodes. 798 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,430 Yeah, you can. The first thing I see when I log in here is I hear 799 00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:53,490 I see this post 37 minutes ago from EVO Tara and Mastodon dot 800 00:53:53,490 --> 00:53:55,110 social. Yep. It's just have to 801 00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:57,810 say more than that. Yeah. With his with his. He's virtue 802 00:53:57,810 --> 00:53:59,310 signaling that he has COVID 803 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,360 Yes, yes. So I see the then I see dogs. Yes, we're two dogs on 804 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,710 that blue and clearly and 805 00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:11,340 then your post shows up right? Yeah, look at how fast it goes. 806 00:54:11,370 --> 00:54:13,110 This thing is talking to API level 807 00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:17,130 very quick at the free yes this is a wealth of freedom 808 00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:20,070 controller hooks into Mastodon same way through though offense. 809 00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:27,180 Right interface. So here's, you know, here's what the reason I'm 810 00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:32,610 bringing up this post here about EVO Tara. Is that he is yet I 811 00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:38,370 don't think is yet dawned on him. That when I post the the 812 00:54:38,370 --> 00:54:42,900 one a few posts down about Tom for the board meeting that he 813 00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:48,780 can reply to that post that I posted no and show up in pod 814 00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:53,490 verse, cross eyed comments and pod friend and anybody else that 815 00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:57,840 enables cross that commit these there's a there's a large in 816 00:54:57,870 --> 00:55:00,120 this goes back to my to my thinking there's a lot The 817 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:06,570 influx of people of podcast, podcasting people that came over 818 00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:11,340 here from Twitter, and have not yet realized that they just 819 00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:15,510 entered cross app comments. And I'm there now illite are now 820 00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:20,370 soaking in all they don't even have to do anything. And they, 821 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,270 all they have to do is reply to something. And they've they've 822 00:55:24,270 --> 00:55:25,890 just crossed that comment themselves. 823 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,590 Yes. Unfortunately, my again, I've been following certain 824 00:55:31,590 --> 00:55:35,250 people following their journey over to Mastodon, I think we may 825 00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:37,560 be a little late to grab everyone's attention. They'll 826 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,840 have the accounts still, but they're not going to use them. 827 00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:43,950 People need the algo they need the anger, the hate the 828 00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:47,310 excitement, they need the dopamine. Mastodon is a 829 00:55:47,310 --> 00:55:52,470 chronological timeline instead of an algorithmic one. So we're 830 00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:55,380 losing them but it's okay with at least half a million people 831 00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:56,850 sign up and they have accounts. 832 00:55:57,990 --> 00:56:02,430 Do you think that III think it's I agree, I agree that that's, 833 00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:05,550 that's sort of been the the history of this show, you'll get 834 00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:08,520 these big influx and then everybody just like, we don't 835 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:14,640 care? No, no, good. I don't know. But it may. This may be 836 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,540 more sticky. 837 00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:19,709 No. I hate to say no, just no. Just know the title of 838 00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:20,880 this episode be No. 839 00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:27,120 No. The reason why I've just I've been running a mastodon for 840 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,870 four years. Actually, I ran it for the first two. And then Matt 841 00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:34,290 took it over as I'm just I'm so we're so blessed that he did 842 00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:37,080 that. Because it's quite a lot of work for 10,000 people, which 843 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,580 we kept no agenda, social app. And so I just have experienced 844 00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:46,380 No, I mean, the thing is, people know, they say, I want freedom 845 00:56:46,380 --> 00:56:49,710 of speech. I want freedom from Twitter. I want freedom from 846 00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:52,830 Elon. I want freedom, freedom, freedom, and then they come over 847 00:56:52,830 --> 00:56:56,520 here and they're like, I don't want freedom. But I want to be 848 00:56:56,550 --> 00:57:00,240 abused. I want to be harassed. I want to get that feeling I want 849 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:06,180 about my head. It's drugs, man. It's drugs. This is not this is 850 00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:09,390 not technology issues. drug issue. It's, uh, you 851 00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:12,270 know what it is? It's the male fist of bureaucracy. And by 852 00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:16,560 the way, well, here we go. Why wouldn't you have a pinafore dot 853 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,930 social skin that you slip over your your instance, slip that 854 00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:28,200 skin over your instance? That was wrong. dirty mind. 855 00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:31,950 Yes, it was me. Yes, 856 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,630 that runs an algo on the on your timeline. mixes that crap up a 857 00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:40,650 bit. Looks for stuff. right way to do it runs in a web assembly 858 00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:44,910 at the same time. Think about WebAssembly skin over and 859 00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:49,020 Mastodon instance. Hey, do you have a mastodon account? Go to 860 00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:52,380 this website, enter those credentials. Don't even go to 861 00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:57,810 your Mastodon boom, you got cross app comments. Boom, drop 862 00:57:57,810 --> 00:57:58,380 right in. 863 00:57:58,919 --> 00:58:02,549 You missed. You missed my cue for the for the ISO but that's 864 00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:07,079 okay. That's okay. I'm not gonna hold it against you. That one or 865 00:58:08,279 --> 00:58:10,889 the male fist of bureaucracy. 866 00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,620 I was unaware 867 00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:15,930 mail system, centralized bureaucracy. 868 00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:18,900 Ah, that's what Twitter 869 00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:22,530 is the bail fist of centralized bureaucracy. Nice. 870 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:29,430 They so I was saying the other day that it is in this posture 871 00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:33,150 really for Twitter to but but maybe even more from for 872 00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:40,650 fediverse. Isn't this just like, the better than Google? Is 873 00:58:40,650 --> 00:58:43,770 somebody interfaced with all this data in the right way? 874 00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:47,940 Wouldn't this just become overnight like a killer search 875 00:58:47,940 --> 00:58:48,300 engine? 876 00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:50,760 We're getting we're pretty big. I think we're big enough. I 877 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,740 mean, again, what you just said there is bound to die. And I 878 00:58:55,740 --> 00:59:00,990 have to agree with the forgot who was trolling me as search 879 00:59:00,990 --> 00:59:05,610 engine for the fediverse can't be centralized. It just can't. 880 00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:09,270 It has somehow we have to figure all these things out in a 881 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:12,540 decentralized manner. And I'm going to agree that is there 882 00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:16,590 ever a point now, if podcasting stays at 4 million podcasts of 883 00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:20,190 which 100,000 are active, I think you're you're good 884 00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:23,790 Revolver is is going to be fine. You're good roulette will work. 885 00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,870 Can I do 100 million? No. Yeah. Okay. All right, then we're 886 00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:31,680 fine. Now I know he's talking about Shut up. It'll, it'll 887 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,480 scale forever. Scales infinite scale. And if we run out into a 888 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,570 problem, we're just throwing on IPFS problems solved 889 00:59:39,930 --> 00:59:47,610 some Pub Sub, so no, it's fine. There will be no problems ever. 890 00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:51,840 Okay, so what well, I'm very excited. And then let's just add 891 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,660 let's just throw one more thing into the mix because this this 892 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:57,810 changes to more well, one more thing into the mix is this adds 893 00:59:58,650 --> 00:59:59,970 Bolt 12 894 01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,889 Yeah, the redheaded stepchild of lightening Yes, 895 01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:11,489 man, I read through the whole bolt 12 proposal. That is some 896 01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:14,429 exciting stuff. I mean, that changes the game. 897 01:00:14,999 --> 01:00:17,609 Yeah, and just never it's a shame that it will never happen 898 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,990 never gonna have why don't they just need to two big lightning 899 01:00:22,020 --> 01:00:26,100 two big lightning networks are provided here the rain providers 900 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:26,700 to 901 01:00:28,410 --> 01:00:32,190 Videla bit lightning labs. They just don't care. 902 01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:36,300 Well, that's what everyone said. That's what everyone said about 903 01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:36,780 Apple. 904 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,880 Yeah, I don't understand. I don't know why I don't 905 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,080 understand the politics behind 906 01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:45,420 oh, maybe maybe that maybe were misinformed. I thought it 907 01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:48,180 wouldn't be too much of a problem actually. Seems like 908 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:56,610 volt 12 is a seal is a core lightning proposal in as a from 909 01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:59,850 what I understand. Lightning labs have gaz given it no 910 01:00:59,850 --> 01:01:04,080 traction. So no, I agree. You read to the you read through the 911 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:10,950 white paper. Yeah. And then you don't get it? Yeah. Speaking of 912 01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:14,760 Mastodon, do we do we have a criteria of who we accept into 913 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,570 the podcast index? 914 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,690 Thank you that was on my list. That's a very big issue. 915 01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:20,700 Yes. And 916 01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:25,500 I'm not quite sure what to do. I think we should open it up to 917 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,910 any ideas, which will, of course, ignore and do whatever 918 01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:34,470 we want, anyway. Yeah, like good board. Board of Directors. Yep. 919 01:01:35,010 --> 01:01:39,240 Well, so the problem is that it's twofold. One people didn't 920 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,250 really know. I mean, there's, there's a couple of others, 921 01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:43,230 people who show up and say, Hey, this is the place where it's 922 01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:45,300 happening. I want to be a part of the conversation doesn't 923 01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,280 matter what you're doing, what your background is, we can 924 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,620 identify who is that? Oh, you're right. And of course, now we've 925 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,820 always let everybody in. But we started to see some issues. 926 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:57,270 There are people who show up and say, Alright, I want an account. 927 01:01:57,270 --> 01:02:00,750 So I can upload my mp3 files and get going on this podcasting 2.0 928 01:02:00,750 --> 01:02:04,680 thing. There's that one, but then there's also pay. I've 929 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,650 heard about Mastodon I'm a podcast or give me an account. 930 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,590 Yeah. And then it's like, I'm gonna start posting politics and 931 01:02:10,590 --> 01:02:11,850 credit. I don't want that. 932 01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:17,490 So I'm thinking, I want to change the verbiage on the 933 01:02:17,490 --> 01:02:21,150 signup page, maybe express a little bit what we're looking 934 01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:25,230 for. And again, you know, I just don't want to be here to give 935 01:02:25,230 --> 01:02:28,140 away free accounts, which is why we stopped doing that while we 936 01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:30,600 put a sign up in the first place. 937 01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:33,420 How many are there? How many account how many accounts are 938 01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:34,260 there on our server? 939 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,730 Oh, that's a good question. 940 01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:38,490 Let's see. Is there an about page? 941 01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:44,040 I don't know. I know this. It's on the admin. We check man. The 942 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,240 rain is coming down. 943 01:02:45,299 --> 01:02:48,269 I can hear it. I can hear it in the background. Every time that 944 01:02:48,269 --> 01:02:49,289 noise gate drops pretty 945 01:02:49,290 --> 01:02:54,870 massive. Okay, see prefs administer and moderation. Is 946 01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:55,620 that where I look? 947 01:02:55,890 --> 01:03:00,630 I guess index social about more 960 users. 948 01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:02,310 Oh, okay. There you go. 949 01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:08,280 I don't really think it needs to get much I mean, to me 1500 950 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:08,760 Feels like 951 01:03:08,790 --> 01:03:12,990 well thing is I mean, we just have to be the paywall maybe I 952 01:03:12,990 --> 01:03:16,440 don't know. Or the you know, the not the paywall, but the the 953 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,670 limiting factors like I'm gonna change language see if that 954 01:03:20,670 --> 01:03:24,390 helps, because many others have already had to mute some people 955 01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:27,030 who don't even speak my language, but basically just 956 01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:31,320 posting about their podcast and their gear like and I don't 957 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,440 quite know what this is about. Here's an example is a new one. 958 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,530 Dear all I would like to join your server. I'm podcaster and 959 01:03:37,530 --> 01:03:41,550 noob and mastodon. He's from Spain, yada web, obviously you 960 01:03:41,550 --> 01:03:42,000 want to see 961 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,330 me It's fine that your podcasts are but it's just not that's not 962 01:03:48,330 --> 01:03:49,950 what the point of the server 963 01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:53,820 is. No, no. The point is you got to bring some really sharp 964 01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:56,610 scissors. Let's show us your scissors. No, yeah, we won't 965 01:03:56,730 --> 01:04:03,420 know. Yeah. Alban his his how to be a podcast guest video. 966 01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:04,860 That was pretty good. 967 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,640 I adored that. And I immediately went, Hey, I want that owl guide 968 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,850 to do a value for value explainer video. And I think I 969 01:04:14,850 --> 01:04:16,080 saw an acceptance. 970 01:04:16,890 --> 01:04:18,960 I think I saw it too. If you imagine like 971 01:04:18,990 --> 01:04:24,210 how viral that will go. Pretty good. Do you imagine 972 01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:28,650 that we get viral go with the guy with the boombox and the 973 01:04:28,650 --> 01:04:33,960 shades doing the rap. That's John, one of their developers. I 974 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,340 mean, the whole crew and on the owners 975 01:04:35,340 --> 01:04:40,530 these things can be such a dud. They can suck so bad and so 976 01:04:40,530 --> 01:04:45,690 cringe. They've done just a little bit wrong. Particularly 977 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,930 at that length. It was just good. They nailed it every 978 01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:49,560 single bit. 979 01:04:50,250 --> 01:04:53,310 He got to stay right above the cringe line and they nailed 980 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:58,860 really overt right down to the plastic blue Mac on the desk. I 981 01:04:58,860 --> 01:05:02,010 mean, yeah, you is just beautiful, just beautiful. 982 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,710 No mouse, but I'm not going to be pedantic about beautiful. 983 01:05:05,970 --> 01:05:09,060 I wrote a couple more things here that I want to talk about. 984 01:05:09,060 --> 01:05:14,640 I'm sure you have some stuff on your list was something Oh, very 985 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:19,530 sad news or really, really, actually a record in podcasting. 986 01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:25,230 Oh, the off the mic podcasts has been cancelled before it even 987 01:05:25,230 --> 01:05:33,090 rulers released its first episode self and self canceled 988 01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:33,660 himself. 989 01:05:34,350 --> 01:05:37,260 Okay, well, at least it saved us the trouble from having to do 990 01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:37,440 it. 991 01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:45,120 Wow. Wow, Dave. Hey, and by the way, really nice job. YouTube 992 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:52,050 dudes turning pod land into the pod news weekly review. And, and 993 01:05:52,050 --> 01:05:57,030 what I of course is basically the same show. But I hear you 994 01:05:57,030 --> 01:05:59,160 James could there's a radio you should listen to that show. 995 01:05:59,190 --> 01:06:02,520 There's a radio guy who has said okay, I want to really 996 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,780 streamline this. And he has a he got a professionally produce. I 997 01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:08,970 don't know who did it if he didn't, whatever, but I produced 998 01:06:09,180 --> 01:06:15,660 package of music openings, but you know, it has his logo, the 999 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:20,040 pod news logo, two things that he uses on the pod News Daily. 1000 01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:22,980 So that comes back in a different form throughout the 1001 01:06:22,980 --> 01:06:27,360 show in their little segue bits. He's got a female voice and it 1002 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,510 does kind of always, I mean, the first edition hit transition. 1003 01:06:30,510 --> 01:06:33,810 Yeah, the booster Graham corner is a produced jingle now. It 1004 01:06:33,810 --> 01:06:40,050 still includes me, which is fun. I'm flattered. It's slick. 1005 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,330 I mean, he got some they got some donuts in there. 1006 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:47,070 No, there's no, no donuts, no doughnuts. But it was yeah, it's 1007 01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:53,460 if you if you want to hear a how you do a professional makeover 1008 01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:57,330 of your existing show. And then of course really integrate it 1009 01:06:57,330 --> 01:07:01,170 with your branding. James has good job on press. That's not 1010 01:07:01,170 --> 01:07:01,830 easy to do. 1011 01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,490 It was the station was country music yesterday and it's rock 1012 01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:07,620 and roll today. Exactly. Yeah. 1013 01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:14,550 Yes. I should talk briefly about the IAB. 1014 01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:18,030 Yes, yes. Okay. So the i be 1015 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,620 the Interactive Advertising Bureau. Agent bureau. 1016 01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:33,000 Yes, the Interactive Advertising Bureau and the, to me this. So I 1017 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,210 made the comment that this they're like the they're the 1018 01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:39,990 NCAA of podcasting. And that requires a little bit of 1019 01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:42,450 explanation. The NCAA, the National Collegiate Athletics 1020 01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:48,240 Association, is sort of like the governing the non government, 1021 01:07:48,270 --> 01:07:54,000 the non government governing body of college sports in the 1022 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,310 United States. And they're the ones that run the NCAA 1023 01:07:59,310 --> 01:08:00,420 basketball tournament 1024 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,410 with big big money, big business, big schools, big TV 1025 01:08:04,410 --> 01:08:05,370 shows big deal, 1026 01:08:05,939 --> 01:08:12,419 right. But that's all on the basketball side. On the side, on 1027 01:08:12,419 --> 01:08:16,169 the college football side, the college football, college 1028 01:08:16,169 --> 01:08:19,709 football never had a tournament. They had what was called the 1029 01:08:19,709 --> 01:08:22,979 bowl system. And so you had all these different what they call 1030 01:08:22,979 --> 01:08:27,269 bowls. So you'd have the Rose Bowl, you know, the toaster, the 1031 01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:33,539 Fiesta Bowl, bowls, the bowls, bowls with bubbles. You'd have, 1032 01:08:33,929 --> 01:08:37,739 you'd have all these different bowl games, the Hall of Fame 1033 01:08:37,739 --> 01:08:42,509 bowl, you know, and all America bowl. And so they these are the 1034 01:08:42,509 --> 01:08:46,679 big time schools in the college football world where, where 1035 01:08:46,679 --> 01:08:49,799 there's even more money than there is way more money than 1036 01:08:49,799 --> 01:08:55,439 there is in the basketball world. Those big schools never 1037 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,099 got in bed with the NCAA tournament. And because of that, 1038 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:08,309 they stayed independent. The NCAA began to hit them harder 1039 01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:12,119 and harder with their rules. So over the years, you know, the 1040 01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:15,749 fan, the most famous example was SMU. I don't know this is back 1041 01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:20,609 in the 80s. Maybe can't remember his 70s or 80s. I think it was 1042 01:09:20,609 --> 01:09:26,219 80s. So the Methodist University was found to be cheating, paying 1043 01:09:26,219 --> 01:09:29,459 their players, their football players and all these guys it 1044 01:09:29,459 --> 01:09:32,939 was it was you know, all kinds of scandal. The NCAA actually 1045 01:09:32,939 --> 01:09:35,759 closed down their football programs and you can't eat your 1046 01:09:35,789 --> 01:09:39,059 your, they gave them what they called the death penalty. You 1047 01:09:39,059 --> 01:09:43,349 can't even have a football program for like five years. And 1048 01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:48,599 every verse, every severity of that happened over the years and 1049 01:09:48,599 --> 01:09:53,879 it just became very political. And it's sort of the last big 1050 01:09:53,939 --> 01:09:59,249 NCAA hammer that happened to a college football program was 1051 01:09:59,249 --> 01:10:05,789 Alabama They got hit with massive sanctions for this, 1052 01:10:05,969 --> 01:10:10,319 where they supposedly paid a player out of Tennessee to come 1053 01:10:10,349 --> 01:10:13,589 play on their football team. Anyway, so that's, that's what 1054 01:10:13,619 --> 01:10:18,959 the NCAA in the college football world got to be where they were 1055 01:10:18,959 --> 01:10:24,209 hated. Well, now that you fast forward nowadays, the NCAA is 1056 01:10:24,209 --> 01:10:28,139 almost a relic, like in within major college football and 1057 01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:31,589 nobody even thinks about them. There's been legislation that's 1058 01:10:31,589 --> 01:10:35,369 passed, that's been those pushed by the big play the big, big 1059 01:10:35,369 --> 01:10:38,969 football programs to get there to get it passed where you could 1060 01:10:38,969 --> 01:10:42,119 pay players. So now players can have their own endorsement 1061 01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:45,209 contracts. It's called the name image and likeness rule. They 1062 01:10:45,209 --> 01:10:48,269 can, the college football players can make money off their 1063 01:10:48,269 --> 01:10:52,739 own image and likeness. Well, so all of that stuff for all those 1064 01:10:52,739 --> 01:10:56,879 years that everybody the NCAA was policing, and trying to get 1065 01:10:56,879 --> 01:11:00,149 everybody to play by these rules that they made up, that's all 1066 01:11:00,149 --> 01:11:05,099 now completely ignored. It's not even applicable anymore. And so 1067 01:11:05,339 --> 01:11:08,219 there's always been for years and years, there's been talk of 1068 01:11:08,219 --> 01:11:10,769 the big schools and the, in what's called the power five 1069 01:11:10,769 --> 01:11:14,759 conferences, the SEC, the big 10, the PAC 12, creating what 1070 01:11:14,759 --> 01:11:18,179 they call their, like a super conference where they have 1071 01:11:18,179 --> 01:11:21,449 these, they do their own thing, and they just tell the NCAA to 1072 01:11:21,449 --> 01:11:25,499 go jump in the ocean. That's a long way of saying that's what 1073 01:11:25,499 --> 01:11:35,609 this feels like. It feels like the IAB has has joined is 1074 01:11:35,609 --> 01:11:40,229 jumping is in process of jumping the shark. And what's going to 1075 01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:43,769 happen is when they put these onerous requirements for 1076 01:11:43,769 --> 01:11:47,369 recertification on to these hosting companies, who to date 1077 01:11:47,369 --> 01:11:51,569 have been begrudgingly paying this money, like 1078 01:11:51,570 --> 01:11:54,870 50 Isn't 50 grand still for the initial certification? Now they 1079 01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:58,710 want 30 grand a year moving forward for research? 1080 01:11:59,370 --> 01:12:04,440 It's I've heard it's five digit numbers all across the board. 1081 01:12:04,590 --> 01:12:05,940 And if I mean, 1082 01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:10,410 you there, what what's going to happen? Just to finish the 1083 01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:13,650 analogies, what's going to happen is they're going to the 1084 01:12:13,650 --> 01:12:15,780 hosting company has been playing ball so far, they're just gonna 1085 01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:17,880 say Screw you, and they're just gonna go off and do their own 1086 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,730 thing. This is not this is not what you do. 1087 01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:25,170 Well, what they're doing is very classic. They're saying, you 1088 01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:30,540 know, what, we are the Nielsen of podcasting. We are the ones 1089 01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:33,270 that are in charge of the ratings, which are not, but 1090 01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:37,260 because of their certification, they say they defacto are. And 1091 01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:40,680 this is just the beginning. 30,000 is just the beginning. 1092 01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:45,030 And next year, we'll have to go up if only for inflation or some 1093 01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:49,290 other bull crap reason. And now you have a choice be a slave to 1094 01:12:49,290 --> 01:12:54,060 the IAB. And many podcasts, companies will have to make 1095 01:12:54,060 --> 01:12:56,850 decisions, many won't be that hard. Like there'll be it'll be 1096 01:12:56,850 --> 01:13:01,860 you know, that's these days, that's, you know, that's part of 1097 01:13:01,860 --> 01:13:03,180 an employee at least. 1098 01:13:04,170 --> 01:13:08,070 And it is not a coincidence that this happened right after 1099 01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:11,340 everybody started in finished implementation. 1100 01:13:11,820 --> 01:13:14,940 Everyone got their programmatic done. And these guys turn 1101 01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:17,670 around, stab you in the back. 1102 01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:22,170 And in and tomorrow, everybody's going to wake up and realize 1103 01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:24,150 that they don't need that certification anyway. 1104 01:13:24,180 --> 01:13:27,480 Well, no, because there's no advertising to make money on. 1105 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,830 That would be the main reason. But also, you know, we have op 1106 01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:36,480 three, which I'm having fun listening to the analysis of 1107 01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:41,340 the, of the user agents, and how people are working to get 1108 01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:44,730 everybody changed off. And by the way, this is partly this is 1109 01:13:44,730 --> 01:13:47,250 all the stuff I know about development, having hung out 1110 01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:52,680 with developers for most of my life. But if there's something 1111 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:58,350 that can be implemented, it's like OCD. It's like a developer 1112 01:13:58,350 --> 01:14:01,380 can't sit there and say, ha, this is thing, but it's not in 1113 01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:06,780 my app or whatever. Yeah, it's like, it's crap. You wake up in 1114 01:14:06,780 --> 01:14:08,370 the middle of the night sweating, like I want to 1115 01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:14,040 implement that thing. Which is why I know that all of this all 1116 01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:17,310 eventually everyone's going to be going to be doing this. 1117 01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:22,440 Is developer crack is what it is 1118 01:14:22,469 --> 01:14:25,889 what well, I mean, I think that even Apple will will eventually 1119 01:14:25,919 --> 01:14:28,949 hear that we're saying, hey, why don't you even though they may 1120 01:14:28,949 --> 01:14:31,319 be worried, I mean, that was kind of insinuation. They don't 1121 01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:35,459 really want to put the user know the, their own their own code 1122 01:14:35,459 --> 01:14:38,999 into the podcast app. Because then we might find out that the 1123 01:14:38,999 --> 01:14:43,049 number of uses of the apple podcast app, you can't just 1124 01:14:43,049 --> 01:14:47,549 bundle them in with apple core media, which I am well aware of 1125 01:14:47,549 --> 01:14:51,149 the amount of people who listen to my shows on my website in a 1126 01:14:51,149 --> 01:14:55,589 browser. I know because if I screw up the URL on the website, 1127 01:14:55,589 --> 01:14:57,389 I got a lot of tweets and comments. 1128 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,720 That's, that's you, you have a lot of browser listeners do 1129 01:15:03,810 --> 01:15:04,470 interesting. 1130 01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:09,780 I do. But this idea that we can, in an open source way everyone 1131 01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:13,470 convinces everybody they know to do this. That's that's real 1132 01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:20,490 power there. That's real power. So yeah, then the DEA, the DEA, 1133 01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:23,580 and I really appreciate that you have been working with a number 1134 01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:27,690 of people try to figure out how do we stop dynamic ad insertion 1135 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:29,340 from screwing up transcripts? 1136 01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:33,240 Yeah, can I can I talk about that for a sec? Yes, 1137 01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,460 you may and what you don't have to ask permission. 1138 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,100 Ella, we just want a personal your point of personal 1139 01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:39,150 privilege, you know, 1140 01:15:39,150 --> 01:15:42,060 it's all it's all your personal privilege you at the pots 1141 01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:51,420 forgot for the, the current thinking is that they're at 1142 01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:56,490 least going back and forth about it on Mastodon, we need some way 1143 01:15:56,490 --> 01:16:00,960 of stamping, either in the audio file or in the delivery 1144 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,280 response, that this that the original episode has been 1145 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,990 molested in some way. It has been altered, with insertions. 1146 01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:15,450 So like that. So you know, Todd came back and said, Well, we 1147 01:16:15,450 --> 01:16:22,080 stamp our original episodes with insertion points. Kind of the 1148 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:27,690 final, the final delivered mp3 file that goes out in response 1149 01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:33,390 to a get request from an app. Those things those stampings are 1150 01:16:33,390 --> 01:16:38,280 lost. And then and they never had the links on them anyway. So 1151 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:43,200 my original idea was, why don't we just stamp into the mp3 1152 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:48,660 header into the ID three tag somewhere? Something that the 1153 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,020 here's a list of all the insertions that happened? Here's 1154 01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:57,930 the offset from zero, and here's the length. Well, then, Chris, 1155 01:16:57,930 --> 01:17:07,620 from a cast came back and said, Why don't we instead, do I hand 1156 01:17:07,620 --> 01:17:12,180 that information back in the in the HTTP response to the 1157 01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:18,240 Download request. And that, I think that's not a bad idea. I 1158 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:22,230 think that's actually a better idea. Because you then you solve 1159 01:17:22,230 --> 01:17:28,230 the problem of sort of range requests, being a thing there. 1160 01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:38,610 And also, you can reference other other bits of media. So so 1161 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,850 the final proposal was or not final. That's the broader 1162 01:17:41,940 --> 01:17:45,180 terminology. But the most concrete thing we have so far is 1163 01:17:45,180 --> 01:17:49,530 that when a when an mp3, mp3 is requested, when an enclosure 1164 01:17:49,620 --> 01:17:55,800 audio files and is requested, the get request response will 1165 01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:04,050 return a series of Link headers that has the offset of where the 1166 01:18:04,050 --> 01:18:09,090 ad is inserted, and the length and then a potentially, if 1167 01:18:09,090 --> 01:18:13,620 necessary, a link to a transcript bid for that thing. 1168 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,360 So that you're getting a transcript of the thing 1169 01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:22,560 delivered with it. So if it's a pianist an ad, you get the ads 1170 01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:27,150 transcript that just got inserted. Or or if it's a some 1171 01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:29,550 other bit of dynamic content, you get that 1172 01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:32,310 but how will we ever get everyone to implement this? 1173 01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:40,080 I have a completely unjustified confidence in myself to convince 1174 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,610 people to do things they don't want to 1175 01:18:41,610 --> 01:18:45,990 do. Sounds to me like it might be easier if I just continue to 1176 01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:50,160 bash advertising until it breaks and goes away and then it fixes 1177 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:50,790 itself. 1178 01:18:51,150 --> 01:18:52,680 That might also be effective. 1179 01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:58,800 Ah, well, there's something else I noticed, you know, I'm not a 1180 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,200 downloader. I'm a streamer. 1181 01:19:02,970 --> 01:19:06,000 I'm a downloader. Oh, streaming. 1182 01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:12,900 I'm a streamer. So I now it may be is I mainly use curio caster, 1183 01:19:13,710 --> 01:19:17,670 but pod verse and I think all of them, you know, they may be 1184 01:19:17,670 --> 01:19:20,130 downloading and storing in the background. I don't know. I 1185 01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:23,490 never if it's on it's on. But I never turned on download the 1186 01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:26,670 shows or anything like that. I just immediately hit streaming. 1187 01:19:26,670 --> 01:19:29,220 And yeah, sometimes in the car, it might stop, but it's not a 1188 01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:34,530 problem with many shows, well, the two shows where I've noticed 1189 01:19:34,530 --> 01:19:38,580 it. And this it's two different dynamic ad insertion engines. 1190 01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:47,910 One is pivot, my hate Listen, Kara Swisher and Prof. G. And 1191 01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:52,410 the other one is, is the new media show. 1192 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,810 So that one bombs out on YouTube? 1193 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,610 But what happens is if I stopped I pause the app. Go do something 1194 01:19:59,610 --> 01:20:03,900 for myself. I'll come back to the app, I think because the app 1195 01:20:03,900 --> 01:20:07,470 then is trying to do a head request or some get some 1196 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,320 something to find its position, but it may be getting a 1197 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,050 different ad and a range request, right? So it's getting 1198 01:20:13,050 --> 01:20:15,840 a different ad, and it's getting something different and it sits 1199 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,560 there and spins. And I actually have to kill the app. In both in 1200 01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,430 pod verse and curio caster, it'll come back up, and then it 1201 01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:27,930 will have magically somehow it'll have the podcast that was 1202 01:20:27,930 --> 01:20:30,390 listening to at the right timestamp, and it will play 1203 01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:35,040 something about this dynamic ad insertion because that's when it 1204 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:35,550 started. 1205 01:20:36,660 --> 01:20:41,730 Yeah, this the whole thing. It all sucks. Nidal, it does suck 1206 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,830 all of it sucks it all, 1207 01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:47,340 I guess. I mean, it's like, if you have dynamic ad insertions, 1208 01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:49,830 I'm sorry, you just can't have anything else. 1209 01:20:52,380 --> 01:20:53,460 in complete agreement, 1210 01:20:54,330 --> 01:20:57,420 you just can't have chapters that pop up at the right time. 1211 01:20:57,420 --> 01:21:00,180 And you just can't have a transcript. Otherwise Good To Go 1212 01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:01,290 enjoy your ad. 1213 01:21:01,950 --> 01:21:05,520 If we, if we, you instead of chapters and transcripts, you 1214 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:06,570 get ads, 1215 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,210 because it was we had a perfectly functioning system. 1216 01:21:09,390 --> 01:21:11,610 And then people come in and break it, and now you're trying 1217 01:21:11,610 --> 01:21:15,600 to fix it was something that, I know, seems hard to 1218 01:21:15,660 --> 01:21:17,400 do you have no confidence zero. 1219 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,060 No, I know that technology, of course. But I mean, I know how 1220 01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:24,900 hard it is to roll something out. I mean, this is it takes 1221 01:21:24,930 --> 01:21:27,870 that's a lot of moving pieces. Just I mean, personally, it's 1222 01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:29,490 more priority issue. 1223 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,290 I feel I feel a completely unjustified confidence in this 1224 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:41,580 thing. And I feel like I feel like the the the and the common 1225 01:21:41,580 --> 01:21:47,880 retort that you will get when you bring up stamping or 1226 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,740 identifying the ad slots in the in the download some in some way 1227 01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:55,800 is we can do this, because people just skip ads. 1228 01:21:55,860 --> 01:21:57,030 Excellent voice. 1229 01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:58,020 Thank you. 1230 01:21:58,890 --> 01:22:02,760 Now, that again, we can't do that. Because Oh, so Oh, okay. I 1231 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,580 did follow this conversation. So it was interesting, because the 1232 01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:10,380 person you just did was Todd, because he thought it was Todd. 1233 01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:12,210 It was Todd, you should have Todd. 1234 01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:15,630 No, he never said that. But I said that somebody else would 1235 01:22:15,630 --> 01:22:16,200 say that. 1236 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:21,810 But I asked Todd about rad. I said, Why didn't it take off? 1237 01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:24,720 And he said we that voice you just use which is why it goes 1238 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,770 this sucks? Because because people will go to skip the Erds. 1239 01:22:30,420 --> 01:22:33,810 So I thought you were referring to Todd. But there's no proof 1240 01:22:33,810 --> 01:22:36,300 because it was never implemented. There's no evidence 1241 01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:41,340 that first of all, people who steal content steal content, is 1242 01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:43,800 that it's done. Now people 1243 01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:49,200 do people had to do ad blockers exist in web browsers, because 1244 01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:54,660 people tell you all about the ads and where they're going to 1245 01:22:54,660 --> 01:22:56,280 be and where they're gonna come from, and all that kind of 1246 01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:01,890 stuff. No, it's a set of complicated, goofy heuristics 1247 01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:06,450 that are going on inside of ad browse a web browser extension 1248 01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:11,160 to try to figure out what is an ad? And what is not. Sometimes 1249 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,520 it breaks stuff. Some, most of the time it doesn't it works. 1250 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:19,590 Okay. But do we really want that to happen in podcasting? This is 1251 01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:24,930 the iTunes approach is like an AI. You have to agree with at 1252 01:23:24,930 --> 01:23:28,650 some point, like, what do you want to get onto ie donkey, and 1253 01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:32,160 try to find your music? And it's some crap you Oh, oops, you 1254 01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,670 accidentally downloaded virus? Or do you just want to pay the 1255 01:23:35,670 --> 01:23:38,580 money and get the download and be done with it? That's the 1256 01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:42,060 that's the thing. I mean, ad blocking is going to happen. It 1257 01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:46,650 always does. It's it's sort of like a childish narrative to 1258 01:23:46,650 --> 01:23:51,660 say, in to act like if you obfuscate where the ads are, 1259 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,870 that nobody's going to block your ads. It's just like, like 1260 01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:57,690 somebody said, forget who it was. Somebody popped in and 1261 01:23:57,690 --> 01:24:01,530 said, Yeah, I just own podcasts I know about I just popped 1262 01:24:01,530 --> 01:24:04,770 through the ad with the fast forward button. It's like, okay, 1263 01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:09,000 do you want your person to have to? Like, there's some, you 1264 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,900 know, what I did the other day, the perfect example. I always, 1265 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,210 as I listen to security now, every week, and I know that it 1266 01:24:18,210 --> 01:24:22,800 good, the structure of the show goes like this intro, brief 1267 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,550 discussion of what the show is going to be about. Then the 1268 01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:30,450 first day, the first host red ad. And so I know that Leo's 1269 01:24:30,450 --> 01:24:34,590 voice goes up until about the 12 minute mark. So I just put up 1270 01:24:34,590 --> 01:24:36,450 up, up, up, up, up, up, up, fast forward all the way through 1271 01:24:36,450 --> 01:24:38,670 until I hear him stop talking, then I know that's when I'm 1272 01:24:38,670 --> 01:24:42,210 going to start the show. I do that every time. I finally said, 1273 01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:45,510 You know what, this is annoying. I'm just going to subscribe to 1274 01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:48,450 the show. And so I just bought the show ad free. Now I'm 1275 01:24:48,450 --> 01:24:51,660 supporting the show, and I get what I want and I don't have to 1276 01:24:51,660 --> 01:24:54,570 fast forward and potentially wreck my car while I'm looking 1277 01:24:54,570 --> 01:24:57,900 at my phone trying to fast forward. So this this is what 1278 01:24:57,900 --> 01:25:01,170 I'm saying. We gotta go People have to grow. 1279 01:25:01,410 --> 01:25:04,110 That's that's like my my winrar story 1280 01:25:05,759 --> 01:25:11,099 is 15 years of dismissing that winrar ad and I finally did. 1281 01:25:11,490 --> 01:25:15,510 So proud of myself. Yeah, Jesus made me do it by the way. 1282 01:25:17,369 --> 01:25:18,869 looking over your shoulder Oh boy. 1283 01:25:19,289 --> 01:25:21,989 Oh yeah, all the time. Hey, Adam, you gotta buy this really 1284 01:25:21,989 --> 01:25:25,259 really? The Nick was talking to me, man. It's like, oh, I should 1285 01:25:25,259 --> 01:25:27,599 buy this should i Yeah, I'm a douche. Okay, God, 1286 01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,910 I so $5 1287 01:25:32,820 --> 01:25:37,620 What's $5 Oh for the ISO. The ISO I'm gonna I'm sorry I didn't 1288 01:25:38,340 --> 01:25:40,590 I misunderstood what you're saying. Very good looking and 1289 01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:42,210 certainly worth $5 1290 01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,930 What is this from? What was a horrible movie? Did you watch? 1291 01:25:46,290 --> 01:25:48,660 This man is worth $5 I like it. 1292 01:25:49,049 --> 01:25:52,019 No good. I've got I've got all kinds of abrupt the abrupt the 1293 01:25:52,019 --> 01:25:53,429 old school today. 1294 01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:57,840 So did we've created quite the archive you got there? 1295 01:25:58,230 --> 01:26:00,330 Do you want to do don't be Europe? 1296 01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:05,070 Of course. We don't want what has happened in Europe to happen 1297 01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:05,490 here. 1298 01:26:05,790 --> 01:26:12,030 Wow, that's a good one. Thanks. Oh, I'm gonna you know, so that 1299 01:26:12,030 --> 01:26:20,130 was the I got a little time capsule for you let me find 1300 01:26:20,130 --> 01:26:27,120 this. Yeah, here it is. How long is that? Oh, it's not too bad. 1301 01:26:28,890 --> 01:26:34,470 This is a presumably 19 After the Second World War. Okay, your 1302 01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:35,040 ISO. 1303 01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:40,170 Yeah, that's like 1940 Oh, good says before the war in orange. 1304 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,260 So we're going to play around let me get a harp. I'm going to 1305 01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:47,280 do this professionally, too. I'm not messing around with this. 1306 01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:52,830 Not a juicer but real heart. No. No actual harp. Yeah. Okay. When 1307 01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:57,930 you go from 1940 to 2014 we don't want what has happened in 1308 01:26:57,930 --> 01:26:59,220 Europe to happen here. 1309 01:27:16,050 --> 01:27:16,800 Victoria new 1310 01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:24,540 Vicki Newland. That's how she said it in 2014. Is my my how'd 1311 01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:26,130 things change over time? 1312 01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,630 It's flowered. It's blossomed into this full flowering. At 1313 01:27:30,630 --> 01:27:31,110 this point, 1314 01:27:31,170 --> 01:27:33,120 shall we thank a couple people because the booths have been 1315 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:33,660 big. 1316 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:36,780 Yeah, let's do it. You You do your thing. And then I'll do my 1317 01:27:36,780 --> 01:27:40,050 thing. Is that what we always do? Yeah, but I just want to say 1318 01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:41,880 it very professional, 1319 01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:45,480 thank you. Value for value, you've heard about it, you want 1320 01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:48,930 to read about it go to value for value dot info, value number 1321 01:27:48,930 --> 01:27:51,690 four value dot info, feel free to tweet that around, tell 1322 01:27:51,690 --> 01:27:55,920 people to have a read. Because you know, it helps explain. 1323 01:27:56,940 --> 01:27:59,670 Which means in this case, this entire podcast, the board 1324 01:27:59,670 --> 01:28:03,750 meeting, everything is all completely supported by the 1325 01:28:03,780 --> 01:28:08,310 participants. We're pulling a bogey on this thing and we have 1326 01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:12,030 been for for quite a while. It keeps the servers running it 1327 01:28:12,030 --> 01:28:17,040 keeps us interested, which is you know, we don't get paid. But 1328 01:28:17,070 --> 01:28:19,140 it keeps us interested with everything continues to flow 1329 01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:22,800 around and of course, I will say that both Dave and I probably 1330 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,730 send back most of the stats we get back into other shows. Just 1331 01:28:26,730 --> 01:28:30,600 to get a comment in edgewise. We got some big ones here today. 1332 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:38,610 Some nice ones. We got 101010 So 101,010 SATs from Mike Newman. I 1333 01:28:38,610 --> 01:28:40,620 think that's that's a big bowl of mine. 1334 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,700 It's a good 120 is Blaze only 1335 01:28:45,630 --> 01:28:48,810 listening and boosting through a browser. I'm a streamer and a 1336 01:28:48,810 --> 01:28:52,770 downloader streaming now will download for the second 1337 01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:56,940 breakfast I mean listen, apps get lost restart then jump 1338 01:28:56,940 --> 01:29:00,570 situation Adam described happens with no agenda as well and no 1339 01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:05,340 ads. I kind of like it all anyway, go podcasting. He said 1340 01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:11,760 there's a man who who loves his products a bit messy. He likes 1341 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:16,680 rough edges. I agree. I'm a fan. I like them to take 10,000 SATs 1342 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,200 from the NA millennial all advertisement should be 1343 01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:23,730 registered file a file molesters. Ooh, very good. Yes, 1344 01:29:23,790 --> 01:29:27,270 all advertisements should be registered file molesters. I 1345 01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:34,080 like it. 50,000 50,000 SATs from metus thanks meters, altering 1346 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,790 your show with an insertion 1347 01:29:39,780 --> 01:29:40,620 have been altered 1348 01:29:40,650 --> 01:29:43,740 by the way we do this live using the lit tag which is 1349 01:29:43,740 --> 01:29:47,640 functionality anybody can use any app can access and currently 1350 01:29:47,670 --> 01:29:51,720 works well in pod verse and curio caster. Go get those from 1351 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:57,990 new podcast apps.com 100,050 sads from Darren Oh man. 1352 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:03,030 Stock calm Oh 20 is Blaze on I am Paula with a 1353 01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:06,720 shameful plug. Sir Jean and I've just released episode 50 of 1354 01:30:06,750 --> 01:30:11,220 unrelenting today. I should get a metal unrelenting dot show. 1355 01:30:11,250 --> 01:30:12,030 Yes, you should. 1356 01:30:12,750 --> 01:30:16,230 Let's 50 Is that the golden golden anniversary? The silver 1357 01:30:16,230 --> 01:30:18,690 and silver right? Yeah. 1358 01:30:19,140 --> 01:30:25,110 50 is gold. Gold fits any size 15 is wood shavings I learned? 1359 01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:29,490 Which Okay, sand. 1360 01:30:30,330 --> 01:30:38,820 Silica. Excuse me. Fletcher comes in with I wonder. Ah 1361 01:30:38,820 --> 01:30:45,360 boost. 444445 fours ah boost. He says thanks for all of your 1362 01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,730 help, Adam. All your help. 1363 01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:49,770 Would you help him with 1364 01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:54,750 it? Oh. And he sent the link actually let me play this link. 1365 01:30:55,620 --> 01:30:57,690 Trigger alert. I have no idea what the link is. 1366 01:30:57,690 --> 01:30:59,370 Yeah, this this could be bad. 1367 01:30:59,670 --> 01:31:06,990 Oh, I got a boost. Oh, I got a boost. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Like 1368 01:31:07,020 --> 01:31:09,450 like Oscar, you know, Fletcher said, Hey, man, can you talk 1369 01:31:09,450 --> 01:31:13,530 about talking about my show? And what I'm doing? Yeah, I'll be I 1370 01:31:13,530 --> 01:31:14,730 talked to people all the time. 1371 01:31:15,660 --> 01:31:20,550 Is this is this the Fletcher puja? Is that that Fletcher the 1372 01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:21,270 one and only 1373 01:31:21,810 --> 01:31:22,200 Oh, well, 1374 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:27,240 what? Why? Why can we not get a podcasting hauler we need a 1375 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:27,690 hollow? 1376 01:31:27,810 --> 01:31:30,000 Well, which one do you want? Here's a here's an example. 1377 01:31:32,490 --> 01:31:36,780 Yeah, we need to we need a podcast or something like that. 1378 01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:41,820 And creativity a boost? Yes, we need a boost on a number 1379 01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:48,660 of things. Okay, let's see. Where are we? The next one is 1380 01:31:48,660 --> 01:31:54,000 Chad F 3333. He says I was 10 years old in 1999. Yeah, thanks. 1381 01:31:54,300 --> 01:32:01,110 I feel great. Now. Then Dred Scott hits us with 2020. What 1382 01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,490 250,001 Satoshi. 1383 01:32:06,570 --> 01:32:10,410 Sakala 20 is Blaze. Ona M Paula. 1384 01:32:11,730 --> 01:32:14,850 He did that from the back computer inside the cave. He 1385 01:32:14,850 --> 01:32:15,870 went down to the basement. 1386 01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:20,640 What my neuro neural networking brain immediately recognizes is 1387 01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,090 a pattern I see the one Satoshi and that would be because and 1388 01:32:24,090 --> 01:32:27,540 this was from fountain just before that. He apparently 1389 01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:34,020 switched. He was on pod verse and sent 25 250,000 SATs even 1390 01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,940 blades only Impala 1391 01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:45,210 mighty dribs combined 500,000 Or one SATs his messages booster 1392 01:32:45,210 --> 01:32:47,610 grams are boost the dip 1393 01:32:50,940 --> 01:32:55,680 and we dread if I don't remember did we ever sit drab a t shirt? 1394 01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,850 Well you better you better send us you better send us a place to 1395 01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:01,620 send one because he needs one for sure 1396 01:33:01,650 --> 01:33:05,640 drive if we haven't just please let me in. Just remind a general 1397 01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:10,080 reminder that if you have you know if you've donated big 1398 01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:10,560 please 1399 01:33:10,620 --> 01:33:15,720 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My mistake. Thank you chat room. 1400 01:33:15,780 --> 01:33:21,090 I was wrong. It was Chad F who sent 250,000 I'll give him a big 1401 01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,980 shot call his blades on am Paula. 1402 01:33:26,490 --> 01:33:28,350 Dangerous Miss attribution? Yes. 1403 01:33:28,350 --> 01:33:34,440 You said boost the dip and Dred Scott came in with 250,001 we 1404 01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:38,460 talked him and he says boosting to start one upsmanship feeling 1405 01:33:38,460 --> 01:33:41,460 like a troll today and have it no one took the bait but I do 1406 01:33:41,460 --> 01:33:44,760 appreciate that. Okay, I got to thank you. Thank you chatroom 1407 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:53,520 for correcting my my obvious for PA club hard hat with 11,111 and 1408 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:58,500 Carolyn with 11,222 is just this Technicolor version of It's a 1409 01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:00,840 Wonderful Life we are experiencing includes building 1410 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:06,450 your own node your own bank actually you know bank 10,000 1411 01:34:06,450 --> 01:34:12,240 from Brando cellars a just as a caboose What do you do? Why did 1412 01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:21,000 my boost happen? Man we go to Macintosh 1111 haha It's A 1413 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:25,380 Wonderful Life bank run perfect knowledge and analogy. Go 1414 01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:36,960 podcasting. And Bitcoin he says it see 1111 from rustic Calavera 1415 01:34:36,990 --> 01:34:39,420 Can I listen on pod verse and boost and fountain while the 1416 01:34:39,420 --> 01:34:44,220 boys are lit? Sure. It's illegal in some states. But yeah, go for 1417 01:34:44,220 --> 01:34:50,850 it. RDK 519 33,333 Thanks for all you're doing. Thank you. 1418 01:34:50,850 --> 01:35:02,490 Here's Dred Scott 1220 3456. Blade Hey, lovers keep on rockin 1419 01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:08,190 in the podcast world with a guitar and devil horns emoji or 1420 01:35:08,190 --> 01:35:12,600 as we say Longhorns horns. PS love the pre show musical 1421 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:21,360 stylings of Mr. Dave Jones go podcasting. And show up early, 1422 01:35:21,810 --> 01:35:30,090 Eric peepee came in early with a row of ducks 22,222 Pfeiffer, 1423 01:35:30,090 --> 01:35:35,700 where the tester servo was boosted from the crontab 3333. 1424 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,440 And I think that pretty much covers the lit booster Graham's 1425 01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:43,650 thank you all so much. It's really, really, really 1426 01:35:43,650 --> 01:35:46,770 appreciate it. And of course, we're turning that around. We're 1427 01:35:46,770 --> 01:35:50,580 providing a lot of liquidity. And when I say that, not just 1428 01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:55,080 channels, we still have well over 100 channels, but a lot of 1429 01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:59,160 forwarding and I think that's because our fees are sweet spot. 1430 01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:03,060 Oh, yeah. Well, it's it really increased since we started 1431 01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:09,180 hosting everyone's node on our hardware. So we're single 1432 01:36:09,180 --> 01:36:13,080 handedly supporting some of the infrastructure that's going on 1433 01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,080 here. We're happy to do it. Actually. We're not it's the 1434 01:36:16,110 --> 01:36:19,110 it's the entire community. It's everyone in value for value land 1435 01:36:19,140 --> 01:36:20,370 podcasting. 2.0. 1436 01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:29,730 The see we've got one Pay Pal from the new media show, buddies 1437 01:36:29,730 --> 01:36:33,750 over there, Todd and Rob $50. And they just say go podcasting. 1438 01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:35,310 Thank you. 1439 01:36:36,210 --> 01:36:37,290 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 1440 01:36:37,890 --> 01:36:39,570 Go podcasting to you to go go 1441 01:36:39,570 --> 01:36:42,810 podcasting to you. GP GP 1442 01:36:42,990 --> 01:36:48,360 GP. We got so we got some booths. There we go got quite a 1443 01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:52,140 few boosts we got 33 333 from SLC through the fountain 1444 01:36:52,140 --> 01:36:55,920 emphasis dev request podcast 2.0 for instruction. Many 1445 01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,650 instruction videos could be audio only if it weren't for 1446 01:36:58,650 --> 01:37:01,980 reference graphics. Graphics may be large format so a zoom 1447 01:37:01,980 --> 01:37:04,950 function would be needed splits for other graphics just like 1448 01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:07,800 artwork would be good. give listeners a red line function 1449 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,820 for marking up graphics in the form of a boost. Stat stat stats 1450 01:37:11,820 --> 01:37:12,660 go podcasting, 1451 01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:16,890 podcast, stat stat stats, I love it. 1452 01:37:17,850 --> 01:37:20,670 That's good recommendation. Sounds like a lot of work 1453 01:37:20,670 --> 01:37:20,850 though. 1454 01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,660 Yeah. Not as much as that whole idea. You have to save 1455 01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:25,500 transcripts. 1456 01:37:26,220 --> 01:37:32,310 No, that's that'll happen. That's more rp 1984 cents 3000 1457 01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:34,980 SATs through fountain he says the discussion about tags 1458 01:37:34,980 --> 01:37:38,250 inspired an idea I can propose to my employer to automate a 1459 01:37:38,250 --> 01:37:40,620 process that has financial ramifications if done 1460 01:37:40,620 --> 01:37:43,650 incorrectly. Thanks for the thought provoking discussion. 1461 01:37:43,980 --> 01:37:47,550 And keep it up. I I don't think anybody should take advice from 1462 01:37:47,550 --> 01:37:50,760 this show and implement it into a financial situation that has 1463 01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,260 ramifications if done wrong. 1464 01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:56,280 I love this idea. As a manager. I think this is great. I love 1465 01:37:56,430 --> 01:38:00,750 this is this is you know, Tina, and I might start this up to set 1466 01:38:00,750 --> 01:38:04,650 up a little smart contract. You know, if you forget to do 1467 01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:07,170 something that we agreed to in the morning, bam, yeah, 1468 01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:11,400 automatic payment, you lose your money. Bam, bam. You got 1469 01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:15,990 penalized? This is good. This is this is where your kids? Look, 1470 01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:18,990 see this money here in my wallet. Oh, you see that smart 1471 01:38:18,990 --> 01:38:21,960 contract? Was it say? Let's clean up my room. Make my bed. 1472 01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:25,680 Take out the trash contract. Okay, so do you see those times 1473 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,460 the HDL C's? Yeah. Okay. So if you don't, if you don't confirm 1474 01:38:29,460 --> 01:38:32,310 that this has been done, and this can only be done by the two 1475 01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:38,790 of three signature, which is your mom. She's Popo and then do 1476 01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:41,100 it. Then boom, your funds get released. You got your money. 1477 01:38:41,130 --> 01:38:41,910 Bam. 1478 01:38:42,599 --> 01:38:45,359 It's like oh, look, you didn't do it. The money's gone. 1479 01:38:45,389 --> 01:38:47,939 Oh, it disintegrated. Get used to it because that's what the 1480 01:38:47,939 --> 01:38:50,129 government will do with cbdc child. 1481 01:38:50,519 --> 01:38:51,779 It's just like FTT 1482 01:38:55,410 --> 01:39:00,210 we know how to raise kids. Roy scheinfeld Hello, Roy 1483 01:39:00,570 --> 01:39:07,080 54321. And his message is milk and honey. 1484 01:39:08,910 --> 01:39:14,250 Honey, oh, that's what milk and honey in the bathtub. I tried to 1485 01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:17,340 connect with them. But it was every like three times this 1486 01:39:17,340 --> 01:39:21,990 week. It was like I'm sorry I'm getting a pedicure hold on at 1487 01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:24,870 the end. It's like there was something every single time Oh, 1488 01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:28,680 he did? Yes. And then it was like yes, he's like I'm sorry 1489 01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:36,510 the the interior designers here I'm redoing my boudoir mani pedi 1490 01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:40,290 many fit not a mani paws and claws baby 1491 01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:51,540 Do you remember that? Some they used to have like the bathtub 1492 01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:53,850 that was that look like the big martini glass? 1493 01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:57,810 Oh yeah. Vegas Vegas. Yeah, I think I may have been in or once 1494 01:39:57,810 --> 01:39:59,970 or twice with some olives. 1495 01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:02,730 marinating 1496 01:40:02,970 --> 01:40:07,650 me oh yeah marinating for sure. Oh, yeah. No, no, I think he 1497 01:40:07,650 --> 01:40:09,960 hasn't. He probably has one of those you know, like the the 1498 01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:14,820 enormous bathroom with it with a tub with the with the columns to 1499 01:40:14,820 --> 01:40:21,420 reach the ceilings and large Rico and law. Yes, Grecian, and 1500 01:40:21,420 --> 01:40:26,970 large golden taps, you know and then and his staff has neatly 1501 01:40:26,970 --> 01:40:30,420 turned all of the towels into swans. 1502 01:40:31,710 --> 01:40:33,300 And they float them in the water. Yeah. 1503 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:38,010 float them in the water. Thanks, Roy. We appreciate the the 1504 01:40:38,010 --> 01:40:39,720 attention, but I know you're busy. 1505 01:40:40,890 --> 01:40:44,370 2500 SATs from anonymous to cast ematic Thank you anonymous. 1506 01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:52,530 Jake. Jake. Jake l str. Jackals get Jekyll stir? Dona found 1507 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,960 through fountain and he said they sent us 10,000 SAS he says 1508 01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,990 love the show. It has me excited about the internet again. Sir 1509 01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:59,760 Jake the Hard Day's Night. 1510 01:41:01,500 --> 01:41:03,240 The hard work the hard day hard 1511 01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:07,110 gay. The Hard Day's Night with a G yeah with a G 1512 01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:07,890 hilarious. 1513 01:41:08,190 --> 01:41:09,780 Three different words the hardcase 1514 01:41:10,710 --> 01:41:14,190 I love you, Jake. You know what, but it's what he's saying is 1515 01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:17,040 true. And that was actually a lot of comments I saw about 1516 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:20,370 people joining Mastodon Wow, this feels like the early days 1517 01:41:20,370 --> 01:41:21,390 on the internet. 1518 01:41:22,380 --> 01:41:27,540 It does. It does the arbor citadel 80,057 sets 1519 01:41:27,570 --> 01:41:29,010 nice to found Thank you. 1520 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,200 Thank you and he's he says boost 1521 01:41:31,230 --> 01:41:31,890 goddess. 1522 01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:37,920 So much. Mere Mortals podcast Mr. Kyron send us 10,000 10,100 1523 01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,050 says to fountaining he says I love you guys. 1524 01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:41,190 Oh I love you too. 1525 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:47,190 Yes loops. drips guts and this attest boost and another test 1526 01:41:47,190 --> 01:41:53,790 boost of 1111 SATs. Thank you Drib Jean Everett 3333 through 1527 01:41:53,790 --> 01:41:55,170 the fountain net and he says boost 1528 01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:56,730 most most moves 1529 01:42:01,470 --> 01:42:05,460 longtime Hall of Fame podcaster Dave Jackson sent us a striper 1530 01:42:05,460 --> 01:42:09,420 boost 7777 to cast ematic you know in any turned around any 1531 01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:09,810 sentence. 1532 01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:17,430 So this came up yesterday striper striper came up because 1533 01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:22,950 one of Tina's friends sent her some lyrics which I almost 1534 01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:27,810 immediately recognized as Queens Reich revolution calling from 1535 01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:31,800 the operation mindcrime album, which is a great album. Yeah, 1536 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,140 you were queens, right? I'm I love queens, right. And of 1537 01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:37,890 course, I interviewed him and the nice guys. And 1538 01:42:38,429 --> 01:42:41,009 they were that album has had a lot of good songs on it. 1539 01:42:41,070 --> 01:42:43,440 I've never really a successful I think because they could have 1540 01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:45,630 been and actually I'd love to find out where they're still 1541 01:42:45,630 --> 01:42:51,450 touring. I'd love to I'd love to see how they're doing. And so, 1542 01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,540 and to say I never used to listen to this. And I said, you 1543 01:42:54,540 --> 01:42:57,150 know, we also you know, I'm always making jokes about 1544 01:42:57,150 --> 01:43:02,010 striper on this show, but also, you know, recently went to Tina 1545 01:43:02,010 --> 01:43:04,320 got baptized and so i That was the first time I was in the 1546 01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,170 church because I was working on Sunday. And so I got to see the 1547 01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:11,220 whole show and you know, so and I'm always making fun about 1548 01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:13,950 like, you know, I'd really like this church, but I don't 1549 01:43:13,950 --> 01:43:17,220 remember the striper stuff was not doing it for me. If I said 1550 01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:19,860 that to the pastor, you know, he thinks it's funny. So anyway. 1551 01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:26,040 Where was it going? Oh, so it turns out I have indeed played 1552 01:43:26,370 --> 01:43:33,630 striper on headbangers ball and then went back and played To 1553 01:43:33,630 --> 01:43:35,520 hell with the devil, I think was the 1554 01:43:35,550 --> 01:43:36,570 Yeah, yeah, that's, 1555 01:43:37,050 --> 01:43:39,870 that's pretty good stuff. I mean, it's not 1556 01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:44,880 good as bad as I remember. 1557 01:43:44,910 --> 01:43:49,590 No, not at all. And then it hit me. Now I know the problem with 1558 01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:55,440 modern Christian music in the church, which is, you know, it's 1559 01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:59,760 electric guitars. It's DX seven. It's live drums. It's it's 1560 01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,640 acoustic. It's everything right? I mean, it's, there's some good 1561 01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:07,770 musicians. There's never a guitar solo. That's the problem. 1562 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,740 Yeah, guitar solos don't exist anymore. That gone? Well, 1563 01:44:10,740 --> 01:44:11,790 they're just gone. They need 1564 01:44:11,790 --> 01:44:17,280 to do something that I just, you know, shred for Jesus, baby. I 1565 01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:23,610 need something. I need it Am I crazy? Why is that? That makes 1566 01:44:23,610 --> 01:44:24,540 no sense. 1567 01:44:24,930 --> 01:44:27,030 Do you remember? Venom? 1568 01:44:28,890 --> 01:44:31,590 Wow, mind blown. Thank you. Yes, of course. 1569 01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:33,330 Death Metal death metal. 1570 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:34,410 Yeah, 1571 01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:39,570 it's like that was a was it? There was like there was like 1572 01:44:39,570 --> 01:44:44,370 Christian versions of that. I can't I can't remember this 1573 01:44:44,370 --> 01:44:48,540 universe. Yeah, there was like Christian death like Doom Metal 1574 01:44:48,540 --> 01:44:50,730 death metal and stuff to me. There used to be all kinds of 1575 01:44:50,730 --> 01:44:53,430 stuff. None of that exists anymore. It's all gone. 1576 01:44:55,380 --> 01:44:59,400 Black, metal black, metal, black, black, metal black. Was 1577 01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,140 that it? I think black metal 1578 01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:11,880 I'm trying to remember what your soul to the gods rock and rock 1579 01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:12,420 against red 1580 01:45:15,269 --> 01:45:16,379 sweet 1581 01:45:19,529 --> 01:45:23,039 yeah it's funny you mention that because I had gone back and 1582 01:45:23,039 --> 01:45:25,649 listened. I accidentally listened to strive for a while 1583 01:45:25,649 --> 01:45:28,349 back like maybe a year ago and I was like you know what? That's 1584 01:45:28,349 --> 01:45:29,009 not that bad 1585 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,400 not that but again they got solos I'm gonna take this up 1586 01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:37,020 with my pastor why no so he's a guitar player so he should just 1587 01:45:37,020 --> 01:45:39,240 shred I'm gonna say it you should shred for Jesus man. 1588 01:45:40,050 --> 01:45:45,030 tank water 10 91,009 disaster fountain no note thank you thank 1589 01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:49,980 thank you tank water Nomad Joe 1234 through fountain and he 1590 01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:57,990 says do more push ups Jean been leet 1337 He's really enjoyed 1591 01:45:57,990 --> 01:46:05,850 the show today. Technical issues 6300 sets he says needed to 1592 01:46:05,850 --> 01:46:08,280 empty this wallet out before switching which account I used 1593 01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,560 and fountain and I couldn't think of a better place to send 1594 01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:12,000 the SATs Keep up the good work. 1595 01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:16,710 Excellent. Excellent idea. Yes, we love it when people do that 1596 01:46:16,710 --> 01:46:21,180 empty your wallet on us sprayed asides over here spraying 1597 01:46:21,210 --> 01:46:21,570 Heastie 1598 01:46:21,570 --> 01:46:27,030 969 through pod verse from Pei citizen how many sets to get a 1599 01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:31,110 seat at the P 2.0 Roundtable? Do we get an NFT of authenticity? 1600 01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:32,370 nega 1601 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:37,560 no 6969 This boost 1602 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:45,330 as Adam would say, No. The tone record synth is 43212 Fountain 1603 01:46:45,330 --> 01:46:48,540 aces counting days as the circle of participants keeps widening 1604 01:46:48,540 --> 01:46:52,140 in V for V even roadblocks in my own learning feel like play 1605 01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:55,650 while figuring out my knowledge gaps. Also extra Thanks to Dave 1606 01:46:55,650 --> 01:46:58,020 this past week was help on figuring out what is going on 1607 01:46:58,020 --> 01:47:01,350 with music related tags from rss.com for the piles of 1608 01:47:01,350 --> 01:47:04,140 releases I ported over onwards and upwards 1609 01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:13,920 Adobe das our buddy over at RSS Bluse and it's 20,000 SATs and 1610 01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,300 he says I'm testing breeze 1611 01:47:15,390 --> 01:47:19,440 No Well it's good as well it's this this new Bradshaw Hey check 1612 01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:30,690 it out so we want to order some more beef from beef initial 1613 01:47:30,690 --> 01:47:32,520 because we you know we have some people coming in so we want a 1614 01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,850 couple of different things and and I've always taken care of 1615 01:47:35,850 --> 01:47:41,370 this team is like I'm do this do I pay in Fiat or or Bitcoin? I 1616 01:47:41,370 --> 01:47:45,420 said can you marry to? And so then she said yeah, but I don't 1617 01:47:45,420 --> 01:47:50,220 I know I don't she started like okay, get the breeze up, which 1618 01:47:50,220 --> 01:47:55,800 in my mind. It has a great pot as well. In my mind. It's the 1619 01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:00,570 best wallet for lightning I love the breeze wallet for like this 1620 01:48:00,570 --> 01:48:04,560 wallet. That's not a wallet. Exactly. That's that's the list 1621 01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:09,990 of signing device but and it's an app that understands its user 1622 01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:13,380 community. Look at the podcast diversion, you're not getting 1623 01:48:13,380 --> 01:48:15,690 anything that isn't value for value. That's a very strong 1624 01:48:15,690 --> 01:48:18,510 statement by the way and I think it's successful strategy that 1625 01:48:18,510 --> 01:48:25,950 Roya employed there. So and then I boom I send her think 300 250 1626 01:48:25,950 --> 01:48:31,680 bucks and we did the you know the QR code thing together Boom 1627 01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:36,450 Boom she's Wow, that went fast. So yep. And then she checked out 1628 01:48:36,450 --> 01:48:41,490 on the on the website. I'll pop the QR code boom. Paid nice 1629 01:48:41,490 --> 01:48:46,140 welcome. Thank You message. work beautifully. Oh, that's cool. 1630 01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:51,150 It's really cool, great app now that it doesn't you know burn a 1631 01:48:51,150 --> 01:48:53,940 hole in your ass when you have it running and all the other 1632 01:48:53,940 --> 01:48:57,270 stuff that we've been talking about problematic. No, I'm just 1633 01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:57,540 kidding. 1634 01:48:59,670 --> 01:49:04,350 Brian of London and have the Ayios and it's 57,667 SATs, the 1635 01:49:04,350 --> 01:49:08,580 V three V four V app and he's got some music lyrics. Here. 1636 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,540 Life's fantasy to be locked away and still to think you're free. 1637 01:49:12,570 --> 01:49:16,710 You're free. You're free. I don't know what's on this from 1638 01:49:16,710 --> 01:49:16,920 but 1639 01:49:18,570 --> 01:49:22,320 can you can you do it again? Slowly as the whole thing plays? 1640 01:49:22,769 --> 01:49:27,659 Lives fantasy to be locked away and still to think you're free. 1641 01:49:27,749 --> 01:49:30,569 You're free. You're free. 1642 01:49:30,750 --> 01:49:36,990 I'm going to say got locked away. And we lost it all today. 1643 01:49:37,260 --> 01:49:39,060 Tell me honestly. 1644 01:49:39,210 --> 01:49:41,490 Would you still love me 1645 01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:44,190 about that, huh? 1646 01:49:45,300 --> 01:49:46,920 I sounded mostly like that. 1647 01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:49,200 Yes. You sound just like Adam Levine. 1648 01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:56,580 Pretty much. Yeah, I get accused of that a lot. Pfeiffer 22 to 22 1649 01:49:56,610 --> 01:49:57,630 if I do fountain nice 1650 01:49:57,630 --> 01:49:59,970 roller ducks there. Thank you very much. 1651 01:50:02,850 --> 01:50:10,890 And he says go podcasting podcasting blueberry, blueberry 1652 01:50:10,890 --> 01:50:14,970 sin is 3333 through the boost CLI and he says boost my toot. 1653 01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:21,330 Yeah, I'll boost boost with the right amount of scissoring you 1654 01:50:21,330 --> 01:50:30,870 can listen to this your mess How are you doing booth? 1655 01:50:31,259 --> 01:50:34,259 Thanks, buddy. Thanks. All right, I thought I was bad 1656 01:50:35,070 --> 01:50:38,190 with the retinas. scissoring you can list your master account in 1657 01:50:38,190 --> 01:50:42,450 the index. What could it mean? Okay, and he's got a link to 1658 01:50:44,130 --> 01:50:48,210 podcast index.org/podcast/five 793896 1659 01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:52,290 And what? Oh my gosh, sure. I understand what's going on with 1660 01:50:52,290 --> 01:50:52,590 that. 1661 01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:59,190 Moth man of the mini apocalypse. I don't know what I'm looking 1662 01:50:59,190 --> 01:51:01,200 at. But I feel like it's important. 1663 01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:08,370 I had the same feeling like something cool. I'm not quite 1664 01:51:08,370 --> 01:51:09,090 sure what you did. 1665 01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:10,650 I don't know what this 1666 01:51:11,190 --> 01:51:13,230 is again and let us in and explain it a little more. 1667 01:51:13,620 --> 01:51:18,690 Yes, please. Macintosh 1111 through fountain he says go 1668 01:51:18,690 --> 01:51:20,940 podcasting podcast. 1669 01:51:21,389 --> 01:51:26,459 You noticed that? Most of the correspondence of the show? No. 1670 01:51:27,059 --> 01:51:30,149 I'd say 99% of the correspondence of this show is 1671 01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:33,269 done through booster grams and not through emails. Thank you, 1672 01:51:33,269 --> 01:51:37,049 everybody. I love that. Thank God for that. Yeah, keeps 1673 01:51:37,049 --> 01:51:38,219 everything short to 1674 01:51:39,330 --> 01:51:43,230 it drip, drip your commands in the gutter. Call me straight 1675 01:51:43,230 --> 01:51:46,980 blogger, the delimiter Arias named 1033 sets through 1676 01:51:46,980 --> 01:51:50,520 fountaining. He says Dave and Adam wants to keep updated about 1677 01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:52,440 the latest developments in the world of artificial 1678 01:51:52,440 --> 01:51:57,090 intelligence. It's easy. Just put an AI dot cooking into any 1679 01:51:57,090 --> 01:52:00,420 web browser or modern podcast app and enjoy the offerings on 1680 01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:03,570 display narrated by the enigmatically endearing former 1681 01:52:03,570 --> 01:52:08,940 BBC actor and TV Show Developer Gregory Foreman EO CSB. Yes 1682 01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:13,620 boosts. Thank you CSB. Dan, thank you both. 1683 01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:15,300 With a 1684 01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:18,510 monthly monthly, monthly 1685 01:52:19,530 --> 01:52:27,150 Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy new $5 Lauren ball $24.20 pod verse 1686 01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:31,290 $50. And pod versus Alter Ego Mitch Downey $10. Thank 1687 01:52:31,290 --> 01:52:33,180 you, Mitch. Ben pod, Christopher 1688 01:52:33,210 --> 01:52:37,650 Christopher Hara, Barek $10, Terry Keller, $5, and Soren 1689 01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:40,260 Miller $5. And that's our group. 1690 01:52:41,130 --> 01:52:43,950 Thank you all so much. And for those who want to understand the 1691 01:52:43,950 --> 01:52:48,060 mechanism of value for value, you just witnessed it. That's 1692 01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:52,140 exactly how it works. Notice we did not say, Hey, could you tip 1693 01:52:52,140 --> 01:52:55,980 your podcasters? We didn't say any of that. We said what is 1694 01:52:55,980 --> 01:52:59,850 this worth to you send that let us know add a message. You can 1695 01:52:59,850 --> 01:53:04,530 do it to podcast index.org. We do still accept Fiat fun coupons 1696 01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:06,960 through Pay Pal there at the bottom or we prefer our 1697 01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,960 preferred method is go to new podcast apps.com Get yourself a 1698 01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:15,510 boost button and your app filler up and start boosting away and 1699 01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:17,760 let us know what you think. Thank you all so much. It's 1700 01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:22,620 really appreciate it's it's mind blowing. And I will just finish 1701 01:53:22,650 --> 01:53:26,010 my portion today with a reminder. Take that mental 1702 01:53:26,010 --> 01:53:29,010 snapshot of where we are right now what we've accomplished what 1703 01:53:29,010 --> 01:53:34,200 we've accomplished in little more than two short years. And I 1704 01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:40,290 think that when you know when this news and things coming out 1705 01:53:40,290 --> 01:53:45,120 every single day, it's happening faster now. And that's because 1706 01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:50,580 the just how it works I mean that hosting companies are the 1707 01:53:50,580 --> 01:53:56,040 big no, that was the the main what is the word I'm looking 1708 01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:59,730 for? It's that was really the Pete and all kudos to you, Dave, 1709 01:53:59,730 --> 01:54:02,040 I think you probably work with hosting companies the most. 1710 01:54:02,700 --> 01:54:05,490 That's really what made it all come to life and we're just 1711 01:54:05,490 --> 01:54:08,520 producing content. And when I say that's not just audio 1712 01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:12,600 content is all these we're filling up tags, RSS feeds are 1713 01:54:12,810 --> 01:54:16,260 adopting being changed upgrading, you have been part 1714 01:54:16,410 --> 01:54:20,940 and still are a part of a monumental shift in media, the 1715 01:54:20,940 --> 01:54:26,550 only the only media left that really has a chance of surviving 1716 01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:28,980 because of the decentralized nature of what all of you 1717 01:54:28,980 --> 01:54:32,550 support both of RSS as well as Bitcoin. 1718 01:54:34,140 --> 01:54:40,350 And it's, it's perfect, that's a that's a perfect outro to go 1719 01:54:40,350 --> 01:54:46,110 home with a couple ISOs strong and secure. Okay, 1720 01:54:46,379 --> 01:54:49,079 as long as people remain confident that our government is 1721 01:54:49,079 --> 01:54:52,589 strong and secure, they will continue freely to accept and 1722 01:54:52,589 --> 01:54:55,379 spend its money without questioning the value 1723 01:54:55,410 --> 01:54:56,220 as right. 1724 01:54:57,930 --> 01:55:02,490 Modern Money modern money can union to use easy to recognize 1725 01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,790 and universally accepted for the value of fixed by a stable 1726 01:55:05,790 --> 01:55:06,360 government 1727 01:55:08,069 --> 01:55:12,959 or stable coin. Your choice Those are good I'm gonna steal 1728 01:55:12,959 --> 01:55:17,399 those for all my other shows really appreciate Hey Dave, I 1729 01:55:17,399 --> 01:55:19,409 said at the beginning but I could not imagine a better 1730 01:55:19,409 --> 01:55:23,009 partner in this I've really appreciate you my friend. Love 1731 01:55:23,009 --> 01:55:25,619 it he to me all right and everybody else troll room thank 1732 01:55:25,619 --> 01:55:29,159 you so much everybody who's on podcast index dot social. Have 1733 01:55:29,159 --> 01:55:31,319 yourselves a great weekend we'll be back with another board 1734 01:55:31,319 --> 01:55:35,399 meeting. Same time same place Fridays where we kick it all 1735 01:55:35,399 --> 01:55:38,489 off. Have a great week everybody. See you then bye bye 1736 01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:59,880 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1737 01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:02,460 index.org For more information 1738 01:56:04,740 --> 01:56:05,280 yes