1 00:00:00,510 --> 00:00:06,300 podcasting 2.0 for October 21 2022, episode 107 It's plenty 2 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:11,040 for developers. Well, hello, everybody, welcome once again to 3 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:15,150 the official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything going 4 00:00:15,150 --> 00:00:18,960 on with now and the future now and the future future of 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,280 podcasting, as because this is where it all happens, where the 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,560 directors come together and discuss what's happening in 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,710 podcasts. index.org the name space and of course, the 8 00:00:28,710 --> 00:00:33,150 creative genius of podcast index dot social. And I'm Adam curry 9 00:00:33,150 --> 00:00:36,600 here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in an Alabama with 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,630 a promise to keep us on the namespace rails today. Say hello 11 00:00:39,630 --> 00:00:42,900 to my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:47,940 I feel like I'm gonna have a lock up today. I feel like I'm 13 00:00:47,940 --> 00:00:54,690 gonna have a boot. That's gonna happen. I rebooted before the 14 00:00:54,690 --> 00:00:59,340 show. And everything is Yeah, everything is five by five. I'm 15 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:04,620 in the pipe. But But I have this sneaking suspicion. I have a I 16 00:01:04,650 --> 00:01:09,270 have a a what would you call that? Like? What is that where 17 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:13,410 you look at superstition reminisce from and yes, I'm 18 00:01:13,410 --> 00:01:16,530 premonition. lysing, that I'm going to have a boot. 19 00:01:16,650 --> 00:01:20,520 You know, in the, in the old country we say the Schumacher 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,700 scheme that I hate high school now. I said that this morning? 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Well, you basically just did because the shoemakers children 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,010 have no shoes is what it No. 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,010 I sit in the bathroom, though, when I was like after my first 24 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:32,610 cup of coffee. 25 00:01:33,540 --> 00:01:37,410 So I mean, I just want to point out that you know you as a guy 26 00:01:37,410 --> 00:01:40,470 who actually keeps systems running professionally. I mean, 27 00:01:40,470 --> 00:01:44,070 you've you've let this particular machine just mess 28 00:01:44,070 --> 00:01:48,330 with you for months. Is there anything we want to talk about 29 00:01:48,330 --> 00:01:54,240 something? Show me where on the screen that computer hurt you 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:54,630 today. 31 00:01:55,739 --> 00:02:01,409 This this. It's after my I have two philosophies with that with 32 00:02:01,619 --> 00:02:03,779 there's two competing philosophies hopefully within 33 00:02:03,779 --> 00:02:08,849 the mind of every IT admin. There are two competing 34 00:02:08,849 --> 00:02:14,639 priorities priority number one is, don't is don't let things 35 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,429 get too far behind. You must you need to stay up to date so that 36 00:02:17,429 --> 00:02:21,809 you can get patches and stay current with you know, fixes and 37 00:02:21,809 --> 00:02:24,029 improvements and security patches and that kind of thing. 38 00:02:24,539 --> 00:02:30,269 Priority number two is never changed something that is that 39 00:02:30,269 --> 00:02:31,049 is working. 40 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:34,140 Yes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 41 00:02:34,589 --> 00:02:38,039 Yeah, that I mean, it's so I am firmly between a rock and a hard 42 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:42,239 place with this computer. When it's working. It's exact, it's 43 00:02:42,239 --> 00:02:44,609 great. And see this is all plays into the unreal because this is 44 00:02:44,609 --> 00:02:46,559 also my Umbral and so 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,030 this is why it's a problem. Yeah, you should really separate 46 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:52,740 those two that's that's the issue. 47 00:02:53,370 --> 00:02:56,280 Yeah, don't have separation, proper separation of concerns. 48 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:57,750 And so it's bugging me now. 49 00:02:57,810 --> 00:03:00,930 Now this is this is a very bad idea. You know, that laptop, the 50 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:04,320 Surface Pro six that I finally got the tumble working on fine. 51 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,060 I mean, that one actually upgraded 2.5 beautifully. I just 52 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:12,120 haven't touched it. I haven't breathed around it. I tiptoe 53 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,240 past it. And it's been I'm gonna I'm gonna knock on wood right 54 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,130 now, because it's been up for months. 55 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:22,140 Now he just screwed it. Why did you even say this? 56 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:25,200 I'm awful. I like running with scissors. 57 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:30,960 You were firmly doing this and doing that. Exactly. I mean, 58 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,570 like, in 100 different ways. We're running with scissors. I 59 00:03:33,570 --> 00:03:37,410 live updated the API this morning with a cool with a new 60 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:40,110 property. There's no production. But by the way, there's no 61 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:43,080 there's no difference between production and development 62 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,890 environments with podcast index. There. It's all production, all 63 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:47,580 production 64 00:03:47,850 --> 00:03:51,060 there. In fact, if you do a pull request, it just goes live. 65 00:03:51,060 --> 00:03:52,620 Don't even worry about it. Boom. 66 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:55,950 Somebody said, you know, people will make comments and stuff 67 00:03:55,950 --> 00:03:58,710 like Spurlock did just was like, wow, that's fast. Like, yeah, 68 00:03:58,740 --> 00:04:04,890 there's a reason I didn't test it. I did actually test it. 69 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:08,580 What actually was this? What was this update to the API is 70 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:09,090 returning 71 00:04:09,090 --> 00:04:12,840 the podcast Gu ID in the search results now, which I didn't 72 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,160 realize it wasn't doing 73 00:04:15,390 --> 00:04:17,250 that which is critical for OC three. 74 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,420 I guess I'm not sure what he's doing over there. I guess he's 75 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:23,040 rolling things up into a GUID. 76 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:26,220 It's so funny, because because I also don't really know what he's 77 00:04:26,220 --> 00:04:29,070 doing. But I feel good contributing my data twice a 78 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:29,550 week. 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,950 I feel so I feel very out of the loop this week. It's been tied 80 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:39,270 up with a lot of personal stuff and the job you know, we hire so 81 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:43,800 I hired a new guy, a third IT guy to help me at the office and 82 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:47,730 event like long term, it's going to be great. He's going to work 83 00:04:47,730 --> 00:04:52,800 out just fine and it's going to take a lot of stress and 84 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,400 workload. You 85 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,000 have to shape him and mold him in your image. 86 00:04:57,510 --> 00:05:01,500 Yes, that's the hard part is the have, you know the weeks and 87 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,070 weeks of training that has to happen? So that's that's been 88 00:05:05,070 --> 00:05:10,140 chewing up a lot of time. My son moves out tomorrow. He's moving 89 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:10,920 out on his own. 90 00:05:11,189 --> 00:05:15,299 Oh, and he's 18 is He? Is he working or going to school? 91 00:05:15,929 --> 00:05:19,169 Both working and going to school? Good boy. Good line. 92 00:05:19,169 --> 00:05:21,509 Yeah. No more. No more motors welding program, 93 00:05:21,540 --> 00:05:26,340 no more. Cool. co2 Mainly are all kinds of welding. 94 00:05:27,450 --> 00:05:33,240 He's doing every, every time he's doing stick. TIG TIG pipe 95 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,110 welding. 96 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,610 Can you get to get a hold of a thermal lance for me? I have 97 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:42,960 some ideas. What is the light you can cut through the safe? 98 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:47,610 Oh, plasma cutter or whatever. One of 99 00:05:47,610 --> 00:05:51,150 those. If there's one in the shop, just let me know. 100 00:05:51,809 --> 00:05:54,209 Yeah, it is bittersweet. Steven. You're right. Yeah. A bit very 101 00:05:54,209 --> 00:05:57,419 bittersweet. I've been I've been we've been hanging out a lot. We 102 00:05:57,419 --> 00:05:59,999 haven't we? We hung out it and you get my clips by the way. I 103 00:05:59,999 --> 00:06:05,669 did. Of course. Yeah. Okay, so we we had a Me, me and my son 104 00:06:05,669 --> 00:06:08,099 went to the movies last night. We just been hanging out a lot 105 00:06:08,099 --> 00:06:11,159 and getting getting some time in and stuff before he moves out. 106 00:06:11,159 --> 00:06:15,899 And so we went to the movies. In the theater, they have this 107 00:06:15,899 --> 00:06:20,819 thing called it's a pretzel. It's like a giant pretzel. It's 108 00:06:20,819 --> 00:06:26,669 called the Bavarian legend. The greatest name ever forever for a 109 00:06:26,669 --> 00:06:31,019 pretzel. This thing. Okay. Get there's a picture of it. In the 110 00:06:31,019 --> 00:06:31,889 clips. If 111 00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:34,830 you know you know me. I don't look at stuff like that. You 112 00:06:34,830 --> 00:06:38,730 don't let me Okay, beforehand. Legend. I see the title. Yeah. 113 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,430 Okay. Bring it up. Oh, my goodness. 114 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:44,220 It's one and a half pounds of pretzel. 115 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:47,100 They don't even know what a pretzel is in Germany. They've 116 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:48,570 never even heard of a pretzel 117 00:06:51,390 --> 00:07:00,330 is one and a half pounds. It also has 1940 calories. And 339 118 00:07:00,330 --> 00:07:01,080 carbs. 119 00:07:01,110 --> 00:07:04,140 Oh my goodness. I'm going to put it in the show notes. So people 120 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:06,480 get that your is that your dog? growling? 121 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,570 Oh, yeah. Actually, Hang on. Let me get let me I will return a 122 00:07:12,570 --> 00:07:13,260 very 123 00:07:14,190 --> 00:07:20,670 legend. This is too good. Is a beautiful piece of pretzel work. 124 00:07:25,290 --> 00:07:26,400 Very, very professional. 125 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:30,030 That didn't know you can hear that. Hear what I can barely 126 00:07:30,030 --> 00:07:30,450 hear the 127 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,390 dog. I'm used to because usually it's my dog. And we're looking 128 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:37,200 like she's not even here. So you've tuned in like, Yeah, 129 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,660 well, she's she's an early warning defense system. 130 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:42,510 I let him out without any consideration whether there's 131 00:07:42,510 --> 00:07:45,120 chickens loose out there. So and it's their own. They're all 132 00:07:45,150 --> 00:07:46,890 they're all on their own. They can't figure it out. 133 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,950 So you know, besides the fact that you know, of course it's 134 00:07:49,950 --> 00:07:53,400 bittersweet. Your son's leaving the house. He's flying the coop 135 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,240 so to speak. Now the the the real downside is? It's uneven. 136 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,980 It's two chicks against you. 137 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,400 Oh, yeah. Yeah, this this is this is that just means Dave 138 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,360 gets more alone time. 139 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:06,300 Y'all want to go shopping together? 140 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,790 All right. See you guys later. Yeah, very 141 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:15,630 misogynist of us. I don't know about you feels kind of good to 142 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:18,540 finally be able to talk about pocket Pocket Casts being open 143 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:19,110 source. 144 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:23,430 Yeah, that was killing me. I wanted to tell about 25 people, 145 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:25,200 but I cannot say a word. So and 146 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,770 I think this was probably, you know, a well kept a well known 147 00:08:28,770 --> 00:08:33,960 secret in the last month or two. But we had I had a chat with 148 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,450 Matt, what was it? Like, three, four months ago? 149 00:08:37,710 --> 00:08:40,230 Yeah, yes. Yeah, something like that. 150 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:44,520 And, and then he connected us with the whole team there. And 151 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,080 we had a nice chat with them. And I mean, you want to me, what 152 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,750 was interesting is that, not only Well, first of all, that's 153 00:08:51,750 --> 00:08:53,730 when they say, you know, it's not public yet, but we're going 154 00:08:53,730 --> 00:08:55,860 to open source it. So that's what we need to do first. And 155 00:08:55,860 --> 00:08:59,160 then they were like, I mean, Matt was like, How can we not be 156 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,580 all in on this? And then the team itself was like, Yeah, we 157 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:06,240 love all the extra extra features and stuff. And but 158 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,820 there's value for value that we're really drawn to that. 159 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:12,960 That's what took us both fast surprises that we were, we 160 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,670 always I guess it's just the nature of people who believe in 161 00:09:19,410 --> 00:09:23,460 you believe in the utility of credit of crypto or digital 162 00:09:23,460 --> 00:09:27,900 currencies, is that, you know, you expect pushback from 163 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,560 everybody all the time. And so you always kind of tiptoe into 164 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:34,290 it, you're like, you know, there's this, there's this way 165 00:09:34,290 --> 00:09:36,390 you can you know, we also have this other thing, whereas this 166 00:09:36,390 --> 00:09:40,860 way you can do electronic payments, small small payments 167 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:43,410 to him for you know, and you expect it's like now, we're not 168 00:09:43,410 --> 00:09:45,780 interested in that, you know, but they were like, Yeah, that's 169 00:09:45,780 --> 00:09:46,800 cool. Tell me more about that. 170 00:09:46,829 --> 00:09:49,709 We actually left that, as usual to the end, like yeah, we'll 171 00:09:49,709 --> 00:09:53,669 talk about that later. And then bring that forward. What was 172 00:09:53,669 --> 00:09:53,909 that? 173 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:56,730 Yeah, they're like, Well, no, that sounds great. But tell me 174 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:58,680 more about this Griffin, you know, this Bitcoin thing. It's 175 00:09:58,680 --> 00:09:59,520 like okay, 176 00:09:59,550 --> 00:10:03,390 now I know Sure, I know you've been busy. So I don't even get 177 00:10:03,390 --> 00:10:06,240 an opportunity to look, I certainly haven't. But I've been 178 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,810 reading some of the reports. So from what I understand the open 179 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:13,980 source, open source the the code for the app, but that the app 180 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:17,040 relies, of course, I think, like almost everybody's app on the 181 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,080 back end. And the backend consists of their database. It 182 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,220 consists of their user database, and I'm sure some kind of, you 183 00:10:26,220 --> 00:10:31,320 know, system where user data is stored is now is this something? 184 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:34,140 What is the intent of this? If it doesn't have kind of a 185 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:38,280 description of what these I guess API calls do? And is that 186 00:10:38,370 --> 00:10:41,700 replicable? Is that you know what I mean, it's like, it's a 187 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:44,160 little confusing to me, I guess I didn't really consider it. 188 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:48,300 Yeah, I've been keeping I haven't been interacting much on 189 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,760 the social this way. But I have been best doesn't mean keeping 190 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,170 track of everything. And what what it looks like is they 191 00:10:55,170 --> 00:10:59,610 released the source code for the Android app and the iOS app. So 192 00:10:59,610 --> 00:11:07,080 that's what their main release was, which is great. And I think 193 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,330 Mitch was saying, Well, you know, they don't they didn't 194 00:11:09,330 --> 00:11:13,230 release the code for the API, the website, the desktop 195 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:18,480 product. And so it's not a complete open sourcing of 196 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,350 everything it's in I have to, I don't know what they're gonna 197 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:25,770 do. But I mean, there, this is WordPress, they, they were they 198 00:11:25,770 --> 00:11:28,680 open source everything. So I have to think that eventually, 199 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:33,000 over time, they will open source it, but at the same time, I 200 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,730 mean, wordpress.com, like they're still there. Their 201 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:42,360 official hosting platform? I don't think that is open source. 202 00:11:42,930 --> 00:11:46,890 I think it's just the community product. That is WordPress. 203 00:11:46,890 --> 00:11:47,130 That's 204 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,990 right, or you can run a WordPress standalone, you can 205 00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:53,880 fire up this app, you can't 206 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:59,100 write Yes. So you'd have to have some sort of back end that you 207 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:05,910 wrote yourself at home. I mean, so with stuff like this, I 208 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:11,340 wouldn't expect that people would just make a clone of 209 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:15,780 Pocket Casts. Maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I just, I can just speak 210 00:12:15,780 --> 00:12:21,180 for myself, if I was going to do something with this code. I 211 00:12:21,180 --> 00:12:25,530 can't imagine that I would just like rebrand this and sort of 212 00:12:25,530 --> 00:12:30,120 white label this and read and compile it and go, I feel like 213 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:36,210 what the benefit of this thing is, is seeing what is getting 214 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,560 pulling code out, in being able to like, fast track your own app 215 00:12:43,710 --> 00:12:47,250 with some stuff that you're struggling with pulling this 216 00:12:47,250 --> 00:12:53,040 code in. I feel like it's more of a pure open source play in 217 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,530 the in that sense, rather than, like, Okay, here's a, here's 218 00:12:58,530 --> 00:13:01,320 this app that everybody can just kind of put their own logo on 219 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,730 and read, compile. 220 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:06,930 So here's my thinking about it. Depending on, you know, what 221 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:11,310 their system does, it seems perhaps worthwhile if there's 222 00:13:11,310 --> 00:13:14,520 this. Yeah. And there's more than one. But this is a you 223 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,310 know, a lot of hands have been on this app. i A lot of people 224 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:21,270 really like it. They're kind of if if there was a way to say, 225 00:13:21,270 --> 00:13:27,630 Okay, you you, whatever, was connected to Pocket Cast HQ. 226 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,410 Now, connect that to your own server. And here's the index 227 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:35,280 part. Obviously, the a lot of those calls, probably we have 228 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,510 already is that Then something that can be used as it as like a 229 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:42,930 template that that actually can let people just put their logo 230 00:13:42,930 --> 00:13:44,970 on it? What's I'm not necessarily against 231 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:48,390 as possible. I mean, the one thing I don't know, because I 232 00:13:48,390 --> 00:13:54,240 have not looked at the code is, I don't know how much of this is 233 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,380 legacy code 234 00:13:56,430 --> 00:13:59,040 might be a mess. Who knows? That's what I 235 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,620 was thinking. It really could be a mess. I mean, if you've had, 236 00:14:01,770 --> 00:14:04,860 if they've been pulling forward code for how long has Pocket 237 00:14:04,860 --> 00:14:06,030 Casts been around 10 years, that's 238 00:14:06,030 --> 00:14:08,610 a lot of different hands. That's the thing. Lots of 239 00:14:08,610 --> 00:14:11,250 different people there might be like, on the iOS side, there can 240 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:15,720 be tons of Objective C code still in there. For things like 241 00:14:15,780 --> 00:14:20,340 old classes that they never really touch. It's like, okay, 242 00:14:20,340 --> 00:14:22,890 this thing just works. And we don't, I mean, we're not going 243 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:26,760 to go back and rewrite this in Swift. There could be this could 244 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,730 be a mishmash of all kinds, there can be C code in there. 245 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:33,180 All kinds of things. I don't I don't know. You know, as a 246 00:14:33,180 --> 00:14:34,170 matter of fact, it just 247 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:39,300 seemed like the like the overall messaging was, you know, this is 248 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:44,460 a great way for people to help with bugs and request features, 249 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:47,250 which I think arguably, that's, you know, I think they've got a 250 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:49,530 lot of people helping with that a lot of people who are very 251 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:53,370 dedicated to the app. Now, do they charge for a premium 252 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,830 experience, or is it free all the way around? 253 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:59,970 Yeesh I don't know. I hope I hope they charge. I don't know. 254 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,730 I don't actually know. You I don't either. 255 00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:06,870 Pocket Casts iOS, I'm just looking at the iOS thing because 256 00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:10,440 I don't I don't know anything about about and the Android 257 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,570 side. There is a little bit of Objective C in there. Oh, 97% of 258 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:18,840 it is swift. So that's good. Yeah, 259 00:15:18,839 --> 00:15:23,849 they have Pocket Casts plus. Okay, there you go. That's 260 00:15:23,849 --> 00:15:26,249 there. When do you get from Pocket cash plus? 261 00:15:26,999 --> 00:15:29,819 Yeah. So it looks like a lot of their objective stays see stuff 262 00:15:29,819 --> 00:15:34,109 is is it's just utility code. It's chapter reader. media 263 00:15:34,109 --> 00:15:40,139 metadata. Watch app extension. Yeah, like, this looks like a 264 00:15:40,139 --> 00:15:43,019 relatively well kept code base. Like it's pretty modern. It 265 00:15:43,019 --> 00:15:44,159 seems. Yeah. 266 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,310 $1 a month. 99 cents? 267 00:15:48,750 --> 00:15:51,030 No, I wish people would charge more. 268 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:57,090 Yeah. Anyway, okay. Well, good. Yeah. So we're very happy. And 269 00:15:57,630 --> 00:15:59,790 I'm gonna do I'm gonna do I'm gonna circle back, I'm gonna 270 00:15:59,790 --> 00:16:03,090 circle back with Matt and say, Hey, got a pin in it. Hey, man, 271 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:06,450 congratulations. Great release. Now, what's the word? 272 00:16:06,450 --> 00:16:07,320 Johannesburg? 273 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:12,060 Well, I think the, I think, yeah, I think it's time to, to 274 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,970 pick them up and see what's going on again. Yeah, 275 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,020 I think that's a good idea. 276 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:20,460 What do you what do you think's gonna happen with this with this 277 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:26,130 code? I mean, I'm exactly so you gotta you've got to what people 278 00:16:26,130 --> 00:16:30,360 have been wanting for a while is like a real good 2.0 reference 279 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:38,790 app that has, that has a lot of modern features, combined with a 280 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:44,610 lot of well established features. So some of the some of 281 00:16:44,610 --> 00:16:50,490 the knock if there is one on 2.0 apps is that quite a few of them 282 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,530 grew grew up that were born as new abs in didn't have as, 283 00:16:55,770 --> 00:17:00,000 especially on the mobile side. So they they're trying, they're 284 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,060 sort of playing catch up with some of the more well 285 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:07,800 established, like, tried and true things that podcast apps 286 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,610 do. And so they have like new features, but they don't have 287 00:17:11,610 --> 00:17:14,880 one thing, you know, things like pod friend. So I could think I 288 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,430 could see this as being like, a way to just short circuit 289 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:23,790 shortcut, that whole thing where you go, you go in build this 290 00:17:23,790 --> 00:17:30,540 app, play around with it, begin to see how it's put together. I 291 00:17:30,540 --> 00:17:33,870 guess I could see this and then like you said, attach a attach 292 00:17:33,870 --> 00:17:37,680 the the index on the backside of it. I'm hoping to see right out 293 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,370 the gate, I'm hoping to see pull requests submitted back to them 294 00:17:41,370 --> 00:17:47,490 to have like, me, just does it PR, it has a PR that says Add 295 00:17:47,490 --> 00:17:48,480 cloud chapters. 296 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:54,360 I think that that's feels like that's what's destined to 297 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,430 happen, because there's not enough people who read like 298 00:17:56,430 --> 00:18:01,410 Pocket Cast, that, that the PRS will be for 2.0 stuff. And I 299 00:18:01,410 --> 00:18:06,150 think that over time, it's going to take a while right that it's 300 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:08,850 just going to take quite a while before you see that starting to 301 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:12,750 show up in the in the production version. In the meantime, you 302 00:18:12,750 --> 00:18:16,440 know, there's there's a lot of, I mean, I use all different apps 303 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,270 for different reasons, none of them really has it all. So I 304 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:23,520 think that if you want to be on the cutting edge, and you want 305 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,310 to have the, you know, the current features and the new 306 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:30,300 features, kind of always, then, you know, there's many other 307 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:31,110 alternatives. 308 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:37,080 So I was really wise of them to not commit to development under 309 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,920 2.0 features until after they open sourced it, because then 310 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:42,630 that may just save them work. 311 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:44,760 Well, of course, that's the whole that's the beauty of it. 312 00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:48,120 And you know, all the extra, like, look, they're charging for 313 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:51,420 all these great features that people like so you know, I don't 314 00:18:51,420 --> 00:18:55,350 even know if those a bit they didn't open source, the Pocket 315 00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:59,640 Cast Plus, there's a lot of features that you get in Pocket 316 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Casts plus, so that's their sauce. And that's kind of how it 317 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,210 should be. And I was like the if if like if cast, thematic had an 318 00:19:09,210 --> 00:19:12,090 android version, I'd be pretty interested. You know, I'm very 319 00:19:12,090 --> 00:19:15,240 interested in the in the actual sound, but of course, that could 320 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,670 never happen because of the iOS libraries, etc. But yeah, I 321 00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:25,710 don't know. I think when I hear people say people say I'm like, 322 00:19:25,740 --> 00:19:31,350 I don't know, a lot. It's very, very personal. I mean, see how 323 00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:34,800 long and how many people were using dog catcher completely 324 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,460 unsupported piece of crap, ultimately, because it just 325 00:19:38,490 --> 00:19:44,520 broke. I broke, I broke it. Well, now at least we broke it. 326 00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:49,080 We broke it. But how many people really like it, and probably 327 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,900 still use it and probably get another app just to listen to 328 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:58,050 this show? Or whatever. Whatever was breaking it. Yes, sir. Sure. 329 00:19:58,110 --> 00:19:59,490 I really don't know 330 00:20:01,050 --> 00:20:03,570 Somebody on Twitter was dogging out the one of the app 331 00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:07,500 developers in he was like, Yeah, I came from I had to come over 332 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:10,230 from dogcatcher. I'm like, oh, man, you're talking out and 333 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:16,260 ya know, I told him pump the brakes, buddy. Yeah, was that 334 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:18,870 turned out to be okay. And Mitch jumped in. And 335 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:21,900 it was pod verse yesterday. Yeah, 336 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:28,170 I was like, Hey, easy, does it pal. But yeah, I don't know. 337 00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:33,330 It's to me, it's, again, it's what what can you create? That 338 00:20:33,330 --> 00:20:38,790 is of value in your in your app. whatever that value is, you got 339 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:43,350 to remember to find a way to ask people for it. And now I see 340 00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:47,580 very elegant solutions from curio caster and pod verse on 341 00:20:47,790 --> 00:20:52,590 how to support you know, then there's premium versions. And so 342 00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:55,260 you know, there's I think there's, that's where the focus 343 00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:58,890 has to go. I mean, you need to understand the type of person 344 00:20:58,890 --> 00:21:03,720 who uses your app. I mean, someone was asking me the, the 345 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,880 Oh, the meat mafia, we're here. And so you're talking about 346 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,490 stuff. And they say what apps it is, there's so many different 347 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,370 experiences, like there's a huge, blind and poorly sighted 348 00:21:14,370 --> 00:21:21,030 community, who of course is well served by pod vers. Pod verse 349 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:25,980 right now is this funny guy to mix his like, Hey, why is why 350 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:29,340 the why is traffic up for pod versus that because people are 351 00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:32,460 interested in open source? And and I've looked around for apps 352 00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:36,450 and found a pod versus maybe, maybe also because I keep 353 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:39,900 promoting it on no agenda as the app to listen to the show live 354 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:40,770 with the troll room? 355 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:42,330 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there you go. 356 00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:47,730 Maybe, maybe, maybe. So perhaps the so I'm just saying it's 357 00:21:47,730 --> 00:21:53,400 like, you know, I just don't buy into the apps are behind or 358 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,240 they're immature? Or I think that's an opinion. I still use 359 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,610 curio Castro the most. I don't know why. 360 00:22:00,389 --> 00:22:03,389 No, no, it's the web app. I would never use the term 361 00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:07,949 immature. I think. I think here's, here's the way I see 362 00:22:07,949 --> 00:22:14,609 that, that develop that idea develop is this. People get it 363 00:22:14,639 --> 00:22:17,039 here, here. And here would be the here would be the thing. 364 00:22:17,399 --> 00:22:19,559 Somebody looks at Freedom controller for the first time 365 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:25,619 sees sees the way that it does RSS feed, news feeds, and says, 366 00:22:26,489 --> 00:22:30,599 Yeah, I really wish this had an inbox view. Right? Like, that's, 367 00:22:30,629 --> 00:22:32,609 that's the type of thing you get, it's like, well, that net 368 00:22:32,609 --> 00:22:36,689 doesn't mean that it's behind, it just means that that's not 369 00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:40,199 what we do. I mean, that's not what I want the product to be. 370 00:22:40,649 --> 00:22:44,429 And so like, there's, there's this idea when the developer has 371 00:22:44,429 --> 00:22:49,319 a vision, when you come into a market, into an existing market, 372 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,769 where there's already a bunch of players that have been doing 373 00:22:52,769 --> 00:22:56,189 things a very similar way, RSS feed readers are a great 374 00:22:56,189 --> 00:23:01,319 example. Things like news, Ben and Feedly. And those kinds of 375 00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:05,729 things. And once upon a time Google Reader, there was a 376 00:23:06,029 --> 00:23:10,529 certain way that those UIs developed, and people, and then 377 00:23:10,709 --> 00:23:14,609 one person would do one thing would add a feature. And then 378 00:23:14,609 --> 00:23:16,649 they would all have to copy it because they need, you know, 379 00:23:16,649 --> 00:23:18,629 they're scared that they're going to be taken away from 380 00:23:18,629 --> 00:23:20,999 where everybody's copying everybody all the time. Isn't 381 00:23:20,999 --> 00:23:24,929 before long, you know, after a decade, you end up with a whole 382 00:23:24,929 --> 00:23:29,489 bunch of apps that look almost the same, really. I mean, they 383 00:23:29,489 --> 00:23:33,419 don't, they'll have slight variation between them. But the 384 00:23:33,419 --> 00:23:36,689 things they emphasize, but for the most part, they all have the 385 00:23:36,689 --> 00:23:40,409 same feature set. So then you have a new thing that comes 386 00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:45,119 along like 2.0, where apps are like, Okay, we're going to 387 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,079 embrace this fully. And we're gonna go we're gonna start an 388 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:53,999 app, that right out of gate embraces this? Well, they may 389 00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:57,449 not even those developers may not care so much about this, 390 00:23:57,899 --> 00:24:02,879 conforming to the legacy mindset of the legacy milieu of what 391 00:24:02,879 --> 00:24:08,309 these other apps did. So then. So in other people interpret 392 00:24:08,309 --> 00:24:12,119 that as a will, it doesn't it doesn't even do so. 393 00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:19,920 Yes. So case in point. Pod vers de No, I think clips the way pod 394 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,030 verse does their clips, and surfaces them clips of other 395 00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:28,140 shows or shows that you're subscribed to or not subscribed 396 00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:30,990 to. That's not something that you can get an every single 397 00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:39,420 legacy app fountain. I have to say that Tina really got into 398 00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:43,680 the social networking aspect of it. She's like, Oh, yeah. All 399 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,010 right. So she found a clip. It was a simple one because she 400 00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:49,110 found in here you open it up, you get a clip, she found a 401 00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:51,750 clip, he said, who did this clip. Oh, was Chad F. So then 402 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:54,540 she follows Chad F and now she's like, Oh, this is cool clip from 403 00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:58,320 a different podcast. And then she starts to listen to other 404 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,340 podcasts. I mean, I saw it work. before my very eyes, it's not 405 00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:05,850 for me. You know, because I look at that little alarm bell, and 406 00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:08,550 there's 50 in there and I get anxious and like, 407 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:12,360 yeah, now add can handle that. That's 408 00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:15,060 like, as long as there's a Clear All button that you know, so of 409 00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:19,200 course I don't use it. Sometimes I'll dive into Explorer. So 410 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,580 that's something very, very different. But yeah. On the 411 00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:27,660 other hand, you know, there's the Android Auto doesn't work, 412 00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:31,680 you know, so, yeah, I think what you said is correct. It doesn't 413 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,250 even do CarPlay. You know, where's that's, that's quite, 414 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,220 that's quite specific, but this functionality is coming up. And 415 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:44,130 these to me, it's no different than one man rock bands. And 416 00:25:44,130 --> 00:25:47,640 you're gonna have your, your, your core core group, and 417 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,650 they're always going to buy the merch, and they show up for 418 00:25:49,650 --> 00:25:52,560 every single release every single show. And notice the 419 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:59,880 similarity for the release. You get groupies, but usually pretty 420 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:00,720 poor quality. 421 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:08,910 Voice. You get that thing at like, here's an example. sleep 422 00:26:08,910 --> 00:26:12,420 timer. There's a lot of apps. A lot of podcasts apps have 423 00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:12,870 asleep. 424 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,200 Yeah, that was missing from curio caster for a long time. 425 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:16,890 Yeah, 426 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,740 I don't. I have no earthly desire to ever have that in 427 00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:26,010 half. There's, I'm never gonna go to sleep to a podcast. That's 428 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:30,630 just not that I would have never even thought to suggest such a 429 00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:33,810 thing. There you go. And then And then other people are like, 430 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Oh, this is a deal breaker. You know, okay, okay. 431 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:42,060 I'm not really kidding. When I say this. There are software 432 00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:47,160 developers who I follow. I follow them for their art for 433 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,680 their, for their creations. I'm fortunate enough to work with a 434 00:26:52,680 --> 00:27:00,750 bonafide genius. I mean, Van Gogh level, Dave Jones, and Van 435 00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:08,070 Jones. Have done but Alex, but no, but I'm just saying. I still 436 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:11,160 follow Dave whiners development, even though there's a lot of 437 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,320 issues and a lot of chuckling. But I fall and I think that, you 438 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,530 know, Rock Band. Yeah, I think there's developers who like 439 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,250 Marco, he's also a rockstar in a way. And I hate saying that, 440 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,860 because the next one is ninja and all that bullshit Silicon 441 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:29,340 Valley talks about developers. But I'm really making the true. 442 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,590 The true comparison. And software developers in fact used 443 00:27:34,590 --> 00:27:38,160 to sell software in little baggies with a disc in there, 444 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:44,370 very analogous to drugs. But you can also say it was records or 445 00:27:44,370 --> 00:27:53,280 CDs. So getting to know your audience, your people who 446 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,180 feedback your users, you know, you're almost partners, they're 447 00:27:57,180 --> 00:28:00,450 going to help you make the app better, is something that, you 448 00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:03,930 know, I'm sure a lot of people do it just subconsciously makes 449 00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:10,290 kind of sense. But is it? Is it a? Is it just a GitHub feedback 450 00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:12,840 loop? Or is it a real conversation that you're able to 451 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,790 have surrounding the software to get noticed, and I'm saying I 452 00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:20,190 mean, I don't see it any different than a soft than a 453 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:23,310 podcast product, that relationship and that's going 454 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,310 that ultimately is going to get the value that you just feel you 455 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:29,670 deserve? Or that you put in to the to the creation, no matter 456 00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:32,430 how the money flows, it will happen if you if you can build 457 00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:33,630 that kind of communication? 458 00:28:34,199 --> 00:28:38,009 Well, I feel like that's probably the same. That really 459 00:28:38,009 --> 00:28:42,299 is the power of open source. When you open and I guess K 460 00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:45,629 Pocket Casts will discover this over time, when you open source 461 00:28:45,629 --> 00:28:49,319 something and that's why I'm addicted. I'm going to use the 462 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,789 word addicted. I think there is a real mindset shift that 463 00:28:53,789 --> 00:28:58,139 happens when people begin to open source things. You do kind 464 00:28:58,139 --> 00:29:02,759 of get addicted to it. Because there's a 465 00:29:03,149 --> 00:29:12,179 it's like, you know what I mean? Like you finally you be like 466 00:29:12,179 --> 00:29:14,999 looking around, you see, no one cares, you take your clothes 467 00:29:14,999 --> 00:29:17,609 off, and then it's like, wow, how come I haven't been doing 468 00:29:17,609 --> 00:29:19,079 this all the time. 469 00:29:19,499 --> 00:29:21,929 And next thing you know, you're in the supermarket at the deli 470 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,119 and you're swinging in the breeze. 471 00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:26,550 Yeah. And the woman Yeah, yeah. 472 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:31,740 There's a there's a real sort of addictive quality to throwing 473 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:35,220 things out there and creating a feedback loop. It really isn't 474 00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:41,280 isn't exciting to throw something up on a public repo 475 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:46,770 and see the comments come back, see people making suggestions, 476 00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:52,350 pull requests, those things are those things are real help and 477 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:56,970 it makes you feel like it's not just you going in alone and I 478 00:29:57,060 --> 00:30:00,750 and in there it generates excitement about out things. 479 00:30:01,290 --> 00:30:03,630 And this is something I wanted to throw in just before I 480 00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:07,980 forget, and I'm not sure if it belongs here. But I was thinking 481 00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:15,420 about like if the way people can help and participate in invest 482 00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:21,330 in software, I'm just taking this analogy further. And I was 483 00:30:21,330 --> 00:30:24,180 thinking this morning, like, I need to remind people that you 484 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:27,030 can actually go to some friends and family and say, hey, you 485 00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:30,810 know, I need 1000 bucks to start a podcast, I can buy some gear, 486 00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:33,720 I can get going, do a little bit of marketing, have a website, 487 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,200 get a host, etc. And then you know, I'm from day one, I put 488 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,740 you in 50% of the value split. And then you know, it's all 489 00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:43,110 transparent. And then by that, you know, when you see where you 490 00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:45,720 need to where we need to be, or whatever the number was, then we 491 00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:50,040 reduce that, etc. And it's a really nice way to have people 492 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,650 help you out and get started with an immediate, many 493 00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:54,930 investors love that when they see money coming back 494 00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:58,500 immediately, even if it's the sat at a time. Same Same goes 495 00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:03,750 for software, I feel that you know why if you're doing 4% on 496 00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:08,370 an app, and you need some, some cash to not have to work a 497 00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:11,790 second job, and then you could put an investor into a split 498 00:31:11,790 --> 00:31:16,080 right away. I'm just my mind is just running rampid with ideas 499 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,430 how we can reform the whole the whole way we work and podcasting 500 00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:23,910 2.0 is I think a great example of just that. 501 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:29,730 You you want to play this this might be appropriate for this 502 00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:33,510 clip. There's this so and in Greece, oh my mind because my 503 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:38,130 son's moving out into an apartment. This this. I don't 504 00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:42,150 know if you've seen apartments lately, but the rent is 505 00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:45,449 outrageous. $3,000 a month. It's just a starter. 506 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:48,960 Yeah, here in Birmingham. I mean, like it's, it's no joke, 507 00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:52,860 two grand, this is a small market. So it means two grand 508 00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:58,290 for, you know, for a decent two bedroom. So it's got like, they 509 00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:03,780 got below that but the you know, the the amenities are what 510 00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:07,140 they're selling. It's like there's, there's everything. And 511 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:07,950 now 512 00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:11,880 you will own nothing. Yeah, in such a 513 00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:13,320 play to get a get rid of this clip. 514 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,680 I saw a leasing offer online, it popped up on the screen for new 515 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,910 apartments near a college campus. And their luxury 516 00:32:20,910 --> 00:32:23,820 apartments there obviously for rich kids to go to school. And 517 00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:30,660 they feature a coffee shop, a rooftop pool, all these e 518 00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:36,000 electronic sports area with all this stuff, and free gaming and 519 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,080 Wi Fi and all these things. And it said podcasts studios, 520 00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:43,440 they've built podcast studios and apartment complex because 521 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,130 the kids all want to do podcasts. They have a selfie 522 00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:50,070 screen, a green screen where you can do all this electronic 523 00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:52,680 stuff. This is what all the kid every bit all the young people 524 00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:57,150 all want to do this. So the running joke and what I do for a 525 00:32:57,150 --> 00:32:59,040 living is there's a million people, there's more than a 526 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,190 million people out there doing podcasts. Everybody's doing it. 527 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:03,900 You guessed it, it's not very good. 528 00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:07,980 That's funny. I mean, like, it's just I was thinking when you 529 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:11,010 were talking I'm like, Well, okay, you get the podcast studio 530 00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:16,920 just have a default split in there for the for the for the 531 00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:20,550 apartment complex or something like that, that you get you you 532 00:33:20,550 --> 00:33:23,310 repay yourself for the investment of the of the 533 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:23,880 technology. 534 00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:27,420 Sadly, all of this is going to come crashing down upon itself. 535 00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:30,060 All these other entities are going to go away. It's going to 536 00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:34,410 be empty, empty racks. People will not there's going to be 537 00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:35,850 rats in the hallway. 538 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,680 My kids can they both work and go to school, but they both have 539 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:46,440 good jobs for their age. Like they may they both have well 540 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,060 paying jobs, part time jobs that they use to help get them to 541 00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:57,030 sell through school. And if they can't even afford these places, 542 00:33:57,060 --> 00:34:01,830 then it's outrageous. It's not going to last Yeah. Because 543 00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:03,570 nobody nobody can know 544 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,690 that we will we've been through that they're free money is over. 545 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:09,960 The you know, there's another I've got another clip in here 546 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,930 and I think this may be more. I'd like to maybe get into the 547 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:20,610 namespace when we'd have to definitely. Okay. So this is 548 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:23,700 from coder radio, and they were they were talking about some 549 00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:27,600 other things like get hubs copilot feature, which is, which 550 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,640 has been a lot in the news. You know, do you even know what that 551 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:36,030 is? Oh, no, I don't. Okay, so copilot is a GitHub thing, where 552 00:34:36,090 --> 00:34:40,710 it's sort of like auto complete for entire sections of code. 553 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:46,050 Okay, it's supposed to be aI driven. And the idea here is 554 00:34:46,050 --> 00:34:49,620 that like, Okay, I look it's like clipping, you know, clip. 555 00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:51,540 Oh, it looks like you're writing an essay. 556 00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:56,729 Alright. Would you like an HTTP request? codeblock. Exactly. 557 00:34:56,729 --> 00:34:56,849 That's 558 00:34:56,849 --> 00:35:00,719 exactly what it is. Exactly. It's it's, it's exactly as clip, 559 00:35:01,319 --> 00:35:04,709 as keeps Clippy for developers. So you can say, you know, 560 00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:11,489 functions base, fetch HTTP, and it's like, oh, boom, 561 00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,039 autocomplete. Do you want this? And it gives you a whole 562 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:19,049 function, this does an HTTP get request. And you're like, okay, 563 00:35:19,049 --> 00:35:21,809 and you hit Tab and you've got a function. So and it's supposed 564 00:35:21,809 --> 00:35:27,989 to be like aI driven. But then what happens is, people start 565 00:35:27,989 --> 00:35:31,109 noticing this code looks really familiar. Of course, they would, 566 00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:33,569 of course, this is gonna happen. And then there's like, 567 00:35:33,569 --> 00:35:37,049 supposedly, the setting in there where you can go in and turn off 568 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,689 certain licensed software, there's a GPO, I guess you can 569 00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:46,559 just set your restrictions of how it filters in certain 570 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:51,269 situations. You can you auto complete this thing. And it is 571 00:35:51,299 --> 00:35:55,799 exact code out of people's repositories. Like it's just 572 00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:57,149 life and just code 573 00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:59,460 Oh, just pulling it from anywhere that it knows that it 574 00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:03,090 lives inside its repos. And then it just like, boop, autocomplete 575 00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:03,870 that oh, that's, 576 00:36:04,289 --> 00:36:07,139 like identical, like I did this guy shows like screenshots of 577 00:36:07,139 --> 00:36:12,329 like, Hey, here's my matrix function or whatever over here 578 00:36:12,329 --> 00:36:15,179 on the left, and here's what GitHub copilot suggests, and 579 00:36:15,179 --> 00:36:16,079 they look identical. 580 00:36:16,109 --> 00:36:18,809 So here's an open source the code, he's just using GitHub 581 00:36:18,809 --> 00:36:24,389 right? Now, can I just say, Does this surprise anybody, we knew 582 00:36:24,389 --> 00:36:27,779 this would happen. We knew that eventually it would get evil 583 00:36:27,779 --> 00:36:29,759 once it was sold. Hello. 584 00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:34,530 So anyway, they that's the topic they're on. And they get on to 585 00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:40,470 this, this thing of how to how to handle GitHub issues. And, 586 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:43,560 and I go and just go and play and then we'll comment on 587 00:36:43,799 --> 00:36:45,989 every project is unique. Everybody has different use 588 00:36:45,989 --> 00:36:48,209 cases, because you could argue that also in a free software 589 00:36:48,209 --> 00:36:51,389 project, people open up a lot of bogus PRs, and a lot of bogus 590 00:36:51,389 --> 00:36:54,689 issues that the projects never going to touch. And they pile up 591 00:36:54,689 --> 00:36:57,869 and they pile up and they become overwhelming and demotivating to 592 00:36:57,869 --> 00:37:00,599 the developers, because they have hundreds of open issues 593 00:37:00,809 --> 00:37:02,309 that they're never going to touch, but they don't know what 594 00:37:02,309 --> 00:37:05,489 to do. Like we have a small GitHub for Jupiter broadcasting. 595 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,919 And that's already come up a couple of times, as like, what 596 00:37:07,919 --> 00:37:09,839 do you do with these issues that don't really fit here? They're 597 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:11,699 not really a problem. They're more of somebody's opinion, 598 00:37:11,879 --> 00:37:14,729 like, what do you do? Do you just close it? Do you do say 599 00:37:14,729 --> 00:37:17,129 thanks for your contribution? Then close it? Do you just let 600 00:37:17,129 --> 00:37:19,199 something come along and clean it up? Like there really is 601 00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:20,159 never a right answer? 602 00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:22,980 Oh, yeah, I know the answer. You just swipe left. 603 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,500 That's it. We have this issue already on the 604 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,890 horse, of course. And I think if we didn't have podcasts index 605 00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:34,530 dot social, I think it would have been a lot worse, a 606 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,480 lot worse. Yeah. And there's 133 issues open in the namespace 607 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:43,620 now. And he and I want to emphasize the thing that he 608 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:48,180 said, which is, there's no good answer to what to do with some 609 00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:53,280 of these. There's like, you go back, and then let's just let me 610 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,290 just flip through here and see if I can pick one at random. 611 00:37:55,740 --> 00:38:03,330 Okay, well, here's one for podcast ID feedback from, like 612 00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:08,340 December of 2020. And, or here's one from shared and 613 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:12,060 subscribable, block lists from Brian of London from December of 614 00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:17,430 2020. I mean, I don't know what to do with this. It's possible 615 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:22,290 that there may be content in here is useful. But then again, 616 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,690 I'm like, Well, I mean, if nothing has been done with this 617 00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:29,310 in two years, what am I supposed to do with this issue? And the 618 00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:34,080 the point he makes that when new people come to the namespace 619 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,120 repo, and they see 133 open issues, it looks like we're not 620 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,860 doing anything. It looks like progress is not being made, 621 00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:46,530 because there's just this immense amount of open issues. 622 00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:47,520 You know, 623 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,140 I'm not asking your advice. Maybe we ask people to go review 624 00:38:52,140 --> 00:39:00,810 their open issues and prune self prune, maybe rewrite. I mean, 625 00:39:00,810 --> 00:39:05,250 it's going to be a small group, I would say, Now, how many 133? 626 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:11,940 You said, magic number 133. How many of those are Daniel J. 627 00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:20,550 Lewis? About 100? Daniel J. 628 00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:26,550 Okay, Daniel's a perfect example. Thank you for bringing 629 00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:31,050 him up. I don't I don't know what to do with a lot of his 630 00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:34,860 issues, because they are more like, a lot of them are more 631 00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:42,000 like commentary than they are, like, action items. Right? Some, 632 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,490 some of them are but a lot of times it's like, here's what I 633 00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:48,960 think should be, you know, changed or what? 634 00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:51,840 Well, how are these? I'm sorry, you know, how are these 635 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,540 candidates fries? Can you categorize them? Because if you 636 00:39:54,540 --> 00:39:57,870 look at it, I mean, so their suggestions, you know, gets a 637 00:39:57,870 --> 00:40:01,500 ranking. Probably a low we're ranking their stuff. I mean, 638 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:05,250 there's obviously there's stuff that that isn't an immediate 639 00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:09,510 benefit to someone or a bug. And bug is, of course, clear what 640 00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:11,520 needs to be done with that and needs to be put in the bug 641 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:18,720 queue. But can you with GitHub, can you rank that for a view 642 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:22,530 somehow that we can just find out what needs to be done? We 643 00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:24,750 need a secretary, we need an intern. There we go. 644 00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:29,429 It's yes, we need an intern. I know, I know as I get it, yes. 645 00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:32,039 You have to read the issues. Understand that as keep suit and 646 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,199 like, in the problem is, okay, here's the issue. I don't want 647 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,889 to come across as a dick. You know, I don't want to be like, 648 00:40:41,219 --> 00:40:43,679 Okay, well, I'm closing this is I mean, yeah, well, that wasn't 649 00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,019 important. That issue was important to me. I spent 650 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,449 well, then why are you worried? Why are you worried? If people 651 00:40:48,449 --> 00:40:51,389 show up and think that out? They don't respond to anything. 652 00:40:52,529 --> 00:40:55,349 That's people who haven't actually looked. I mean, that 653 00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:58,409 seems to be the core problem. The problem is we look like 654 00:40:58,409 --> 00:41:00,749 we're not responding to what's your taking? Personally, I 655 00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:01,169 think, 656 00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:06,450 maybe me and maybe, like, I don't want to be the the 657 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,600 dictator that's like No, enclose it 658 00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:14,220 now just close it and then sign it as James. Oh, 659 00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:19,080 that's a perfect, that's, that's like a perfect weasel solution 660 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,400 to this problem. I love it. 661 00:41:20,789 --> 00:41:26,189 James do it. Alright. But I understand and I think that 662 00:41:26,189 --> 00:41:29,519 first thing is, everybody can just go take a look and see if 663 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,489 you're open issues are still relevant. If it's really an 664 00:41:32,489 --> 00:41:36,269 issue, has it maybe been hashed out somewhere else? And then 665 00:41:36,269 --> 00:41:39,269 just close it? Close, close your closure stuff? 666 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:43,230 Okay, that's a good way to have because Helford a round one, 667 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,920 round one. Everybody closed their own stuff. If they're not, 668 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,310 if they're not super proud of it, or if they don't really, 669 00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:55,530 really believe in it strongly. And then I will go through and 670 00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:59,310 make make the aihole sweep in and start cleaning stuff up. 671 00:41:59,309 --> 00:42:00,689 I think that's fair. That's fair. 672 00:42:01,470 --> 00:42:03,900 I mean, like, because they always be reopened, they can 673 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,910 just, you know, they can always be where you guys reopen it, you 674 00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:09,240 can you can petition, you can petition to me or James and say, 675 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:13,560 hey, you know, I spent two hours on this proposal and I don't you 676 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,960 know, why, why did you close it? And lo, okay, we'll reopen it. 677 00:42:18,329 --> 00:42:21,869 Before we get into the namespace, I have a specific 678 00:42:22,859 --> 00:42:28,739 thing to discuss about pod paying live and the reason codes 679 00:42:28,739 --> 00:42:32,249 and everything. I guess that is kind of namespaces and is the 680 00:42:32,249 --> 00:42:35,309 reason code. Reason code is namespace now, 681 00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:40,650 that's popping. Not namespace. But that's okay. We can bounce 682 00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:41,070 in and out. 683 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:45,570 Okay, yeah, right now it's confused. Anyway, here's what I 684 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:50,850 was thinking. So I got this 100%, retro station, and they're 685 00:42:50,850 --> 00:42:55,620 up and streaming. And so now they, you know, they have 686 00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:59,130 probed, actually, that they have special promos, and they have 687 00:42:59,130 --> 00:43:03,660 things that they announce. But they have personalities. And 688 00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:07,290 these personalities start at a certain time during the day. So 689 00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:11,880 let's say they have over a 24 hour period, there's probably 690 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:18,390 four personalities that do a NEO total of half of that. And what 691 00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:21,720 what they're about to start streaming along with their 692 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:27,930 stream is metadata. So I was thinking, Is there a way to have 693 00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:35,580 a reason code for a live a live station in this case, where you 694 00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:40,260 can send out an alert when the when the host starts, you know, 695 00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:43,170 so you're already live? I mean, maybe it's just you just ping it 696 00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:46,410 live and say, you know, and you title the episode differently. 697 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,930 You say, Here's Kim wild or whatever, she happens to have a 698 00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:51,750 show on a station. Does that make any sense? 699 00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:55,080 That's a really interesting idea. I like that a lot. So it's 700 00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,780 for long running live, where you want to be notified of things 701 00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:03,540 that happen inside that. Yeah. 702 00:44:03,869 --> 00:44:08,669 And interestingly, the same time when you know, so they have 703 00:44:08,849 --> 00:44:12,059 their version of a newsletter is a promo. And I'd be like, this 704 00:44:12,059 --> 00:44:20,159 week, you know, it's what was it? Whose birthday was it? There 705 00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:24,269 was a Darren Darren even played a hole but not anyway, so. So 706 00:44:24,269 --> 00:44:26,609 it's birthday week, and we're gonna play different songs. They 707 00:44:26,609 --> 00:44:31,079 have little promo and so you want that promo? I mean, that 708 00:44:31,139 --> 00:44:36,779 that just goes in and as an episode. And I mean, and so now, 709 00:44:36,929 --> 00:44:41,129 the question is, do you notify people of the promo just in the 710 00:44:41,129 --> 00:44:44,789 regular way the podcast would, which I think is yes. Or do you 711 00:44:44,819 --> 00:44:48,449 also hit the pod ping about that? I mean, that made me too 712 00:44:48,449 --> 00:44:54,239 complicated. But for now. I'm looking to figure out how I can 713 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,729 take metadata because they have no technology. This is just me 714 00:44:59,729 --> 00:45:02,549 help. And I'm out just dreaming shit up because it's cool to do, 715 00:45:02,549 --> 00:45:06,659 right. That's why I want to have extra stuff in in 2.0. So I've 716 00:45:06,659 --> 00:45:11,159 just figured out a way to get this metadata to filter it, and 717 00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:15,119 then have a list of names. So when it pops up, Ben Librans in 718 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,379 the mix, live now, boom, that's when you want to fire off a pod 719 00:45:19,379 --> 00:45:23,849 ping in, you know, new host, or whatever the reason code is 720 00:45:24,149 --> 00:45:28,919 something that maybe, maybe it falls under the same stuff, or 721 00:45:28,919 --> 00:45:31,469 maybe there is a reason to give it a special reason. 722 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,380 Okay, so here's how here's how to approach this from, from an 723 00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:41,610 idea, or, here's, here's the the mental framework to approach 724 00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:45,900 this from a pod ping, in the things that happen within pod 725 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:50,610 ping, are meant to reflect things that happen in the feed. 726 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,600 So the feed if the feed doesn't change, right, and there 727 00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:00,780 shouldn't be a pod pain in any way. So the the pod ping, pod 728 00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:04,770 ping is supposed to be an alert system that says, hey, an event 729 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,930 just happened in the feed, go check the feed. Right. So if you 730 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,960 that's, this is appropriate, though, if the event that 731 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:22,320 happened is that the person tag changed from host, Kim wild to 732 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,220 host that Dutch name you said that I can't pronounce. That is 733 00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:30,870 an event. And that could be a reason code, it could be 734 00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:36,450 something as vague as metadata change. Or it could be really 735 00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:42,420 specific, like host host swap or host change or something like 736 00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:46,590 there could be or just person or something. So as long as there 737 00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:50,310 as long as the feed had a change to it. And I would think that in 738 00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:53,820 this in this regard, we would want that to happen. We would 739 00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:57,540 want there to be in the live item, a person tag that has the 740 00:46:57,540 --> 00:47:01,710 current host in it is that as long as there's an event, as 741 00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:04,650 long as the feed changed in some way, yeah, for sure. So my old 742 00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:05,640 pod ping makes sense. 743 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:10,770 And my ultimate goal with this, of course, is to is to get their 744 00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:14,880 on air talent. And and I think most of them actually do it live 745 00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:19,980 to get them to interact in real time with with booster grams. 746 00:47:21,330 --> 00:47:24,660 I got you, I guess. Okay, so anyway, well, it's the you know, 747 00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:30,600 like, Stephen, use this example of no agenda live stream. As 748 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,080 long you know, it's 24/7. And so there really could be, there 749 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,430 could be a feed for the in a stream. And it could do this 750 00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:41,580 exact same thing. That may be a way to sandbox this, 751 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,850 play around with who I liked that idea. Now you're talking 752 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:50,189 in the it could be value block updated, there could be a value 753 00:47:50,189 --> 00:47:52,589 block in the live stream that updates in their pod pin goes 754 00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:55,949 out for that along with the person change, or some you know, 755 00:47:56,069 --> 00:48:01,169 like the metadata change. It makes sense, I guess we'll just 756 00:48:01,169 --> 00:48:05,219 have to come around. I don't know on the fly, whether it 757 00:48:05,219 --> 00:48:08,699 makes sense to have just sort of done something that's generic, 758 00:48:08,759 --> 00:48:15,569 like that falls under sort of a vague, this type of thing 759 00:48:15,569 --> 00:48:19,469 updated or to get real specific with a general generally 760 00:48:19,469 --> 00:48:21,779 speaking, it's best to be as vague as possible with these 761 00:48:21,779 --> 00:48:26,399 things. So that you know, like you instead of going down four 762 00:48:26,399 --> 00:48:28,559 levels, you may maybe you stop at two. 763 00:48:29,729 --> 00:48:32,249 All right, well just wanted to throw that out there kind of get 764 00:48:32,249 --> 00:48:33,509 us started. 765 00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:39,300 That's a great idea. I dig that a lot cool. Because you can see 766 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:44,850 the you can see the usefulness of it. Because if you if you go 767 00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:51,810 out months or however long this this thing takes Can you imagine 768 00:48:51,810 --> 00:48:56,430 that you know live streaming becomes more and more of a thing 769 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,520 within this you're going to run into this issue and there's 770 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,240 going to be things like this where you're going to need to 771 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,570 signal a change midstream. Yeah, dig it as it is great. That's a 772 00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:07,260 great idea. 773 00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:12,840 Okay, so I made a their own chat room. 774 00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:16,170 So when you well what is it IRC or? 775 00:49:16,530 --> 00:49:20,340 Yeah, it's just it's just another room on the on the void 776 00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:21,660 zero dotnet server. 777 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,110 are they interacting with like live are they? 778 00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:31,320 No, I don't think anyone No. Not yet. Like the owner, the guy, 779 00:49:31,350 --> 00:49:34,980 the guy who owns it, he's still his head is still reeling 780 00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:39,390 because I set him up with a with a get Alby. Now, I'm maintaining 781 00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:43,590 their feed just for now because they got nothing, you know. He 782 00:49:43,590 --> 00:49:47,040 wasn't ever expecting to go in this direction have this as some 783 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,110 additional thing. So he's out there, making advertising deals. 784 00:49:52,290 --> 00:49:56,220 And I say hold my beer Hold on a second. Let me just put this in 785 00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,340 here and I show him a booster Graham. He says why? So yeah, 786 00:49:59,340 --> 00:50:01,470 that's my list. That's money coming in. Look, I'm just 787 00:50:01,470 --> 00:50:06,840 listening. That's money coming in. He's what? He's already 788 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,370 like, he can't wait to show his investors. Like, yeah, we have 789 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,300 we have revenue. 790 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,110 We have $3 791 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,250 we have revenue. Yeah. 792 00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:22,650 I like it. Okay. Yeah, that's, that's really 793 00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:27,330 neat. The namespace, more namespace or the namespace, see 794 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,490 where it will go with their name, you're in charge of the 795 00:50:29,490 --> 00:50:32,190 name. I said, you keep us on the namespace rails today. 796 00:50:33,449 --> 00:50:41,879 Z. So there's one thing is is speeding up speeding up to the 797 00:50:41,879 --> 00:50:51,239 TX T. Adoption. So I think that if nobody has anything else to 798 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:56,519 add or or any showstopper ideas or anything like that, I think 799 00:50:56,519 --> 00:51:00,719 we should go ahead and formalize or, excuse me, not formalized. 800 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:08,459 But finalize, the podcast TX T. Tag is like soon like the like 801 00:51:08,459 --> 00:51:12,179 maybe November the first? Yeah, I'm good with that. Because it's 802 00:51:12,179 --> 00:51:16,439 a simple tag is really not. I mean, it's truly not much to it. 803 00:51:16,439 --> 00:51:22,499 I mean, it's just a text box, essentially. And then there's, 804 00:51:23,009 --> 00:51:27,839 there's already prior art with DNS. So we kind of know how 805 00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:33,059 these sorts of things are supposed to work. And it's been 806 00:51:33,089 --> 00:51:35,159 like in the works for a long time. And we've we've been 807 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,669 talking about it, not necessarily on the GitHub, but 808 00:51:38,669 --> 00:51:41,309 way before it was posted as a proposal, we already sort of 809 00:51:41,309 --> 00:51:47,099 knew what we were, what we were after. And then the other thing 810 00:51:47,099 --> 00:51:52,469 is, like, are early next year, Apple is going to start 811 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,679 recommending officially that people take email addresses out 812 00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:59,039 of their feeds, we really have to have something there sort of 813 00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:03,629 in play kind of quickly. And we already know this, some hosts 814 00:52:03,629 --> 00:52:05,939 are ready to go with this thing. It's like yeah, I'm gonna, you 815 00:52:05,939 --> 00:52:09,839 know, I'm going to support this day one. I mean, as long as 816 00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:13,829 there's nothing no big you know, showstoppers, I think we should 817 00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:15,569 go ahead and try to do is 818 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,110 do we have enough? hosts who are who are going to make this 819 00:52:19,110 --> 00:52:22,200 switch? Because, you know, Apple be damned as far as I'm 820 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,120 concerned. Is it right time for us? 821 00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:30,090 Yeah, I mean, like, Justin, over at transistor, he was like, 822 00:52:30,090 --> 00:52:34,320 Yeah, well, we'll be there day one. Okay, you know, so, so that 823 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,270 anyway, so we have, we have what's, you know, the criteria 824 00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:43,770 that we've got to host this says they're gonna implement. We've 825 00:52:43,770 --> 00:52:46,980 got at least two we have at least one of those. And we have 826 00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:53,370 at least one app that's going to implement it, which is Steven B. 827 00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:59,760 Because he implements everything he's Mikey he's all he's, he's 828 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,700 the he's the guy in the back in my back pocket where I can 829 00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:04,770 always say, oh, yeah, we got we got one app, because there's 830 00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:09,990 always gonna be Steven. And then we got to and we will do it as 831 00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:12,810 well and podcaster Wallet. So like, I feel like we've gotten 832 00:53:12,810 --> 00:53:15,090 broad promise of adoption already. 833 00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:19,170 And just like you can say, Yes, D to B will do you always know 834 00:53:19,170 --> 00:53:24,240 that. That Casta pod will always be their new feature cast a pod 835 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,020 has it cast the pod is like it's like that car with a million 836 00:53:28,020 --> 00:53:34,410 clowns come out of it. You open the door this is features man 837 00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:37,950 puppet boop boop boop boop boop whammy brew 838 00:53:41,070 --> 00:53:44,100 in the reservoir shut the door like three seconds. One another 839 00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:52,200 one pops out one final. I like it. Yeah, this I mean, I think 840 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,430 I'm, I think I'm comfortable. I don't like speeding things and 841 00:53:56,430 --> 00:53:59,340 rushing things like give things time to bake. But at the I think 842 00:53:59,340 --> 00:54:00,930 this one's best was ready. 843 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,050 That's what I've always liked about you, Dave. Nice and slow. 844 00:54:06,179 --> 00:54:07,049 Let's not rush this. 845 00:54:07,469 --> 00:54:10,979 Let's not rush. We have we have our whole lives ahead of us. 846 00:54:12,329 --> 00:54:15,479 Just I mean, I can I can stick a toothpick in this one, and 847 00:54:15,479 --> 00:54:16,769 there's nothing sticking to it. 848 00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:18,660 We're good. Sounds good to me. All right. 849 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:24,690 All right. The so the other one. I think we just need to get John 850 00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:28,470 Spurlock on to talk about the events tag. I don't want to do 851 00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:30,300 this really without him because I think 852 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,510 no, I think you're right. And we need to schedule for that. 853 00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:36,600 Yeah. Which, 854 00:54:36,989 --> 00:54:39,659 which is my way of saying you're gonna schedule 855 00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:44,640 like, yeah, this I picked it up. I think 856 00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:48,870 we should have our own response natural responsibilities for the 857 00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:50,490 production of the show. It works 858 00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:52,980 out. You deal with meat people. 859 00:54:54,179 --> 00:55:00,599 Let me tell you, the math the meat mafia guys and they say 28 860 00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:04,109 year old man I love these guys this 861 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,020 is the neat mafia exactly who are these people? 862 00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:11,879 It's these these two guys and they were both college athletes 863 00:55:11,879 --> 00:55:15,689 and after college, you know, their bodies start to give up on 864 00:55:15,689 --> 00:55:18,749 them a whole bunch of weird shit and, and literally like 865 00:55:18,749 --> 00:55:21,659 massively weird shit like stomach issues and you know, 10 866 00:55:21,659 --> 00:55:27,149 years of problems and you know, the commercial on TV, we always 867 00:55:27,149 --> 00:55:30,539 see the lady like she's about to go into the lawyer's office 868 00:55:30,539 --> 00:55:34,679 meeting and like, Oops, sorry, I gotta go take shit. Or like, a 869 00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,439 singer isn't there to sing, you know, it's like, where is she 870 00:55:37,439 --> 00:55:41,699 and then the bass players like all moods are taken to shit. So 871 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,629 and actually, they presented in in Bluffton, Georgia at that 872 00:55:45,629 --> 00:55:49,379 beef initiative Summit. And their story is, you know, like, 873 00:55:49,409 --> 00:55:54,029 they just, were kind of out of ideas. I'm just gonna go try 874 00:55:54,029 --> 00:55:58,019 this beef pure pure grass fed, and in their case, grass finish. 875 00:55:58,439 --> 00:56:02,099 And within two weeks, they started to heal. And so now, you 876 00:56:02,099 --> 00:56:04,109 know, so now they're on their own kind of mission. They're 877 00:56:04,109 --> 00:56:07,469 also, you know, they're not just about beef, but they're about 878 00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:10,649 healthy living, etc. But it's just, it's these two millennial 879 00:56:10,649 --> 00:56:13,859 guys. And they're, you know, they're, they're figuring it 880 00:56:13,859 --> 00:56:16,439 out. They're doing value for value. They're making a living, 881 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:23,250 talking about whole food and in heat and natural healing. Sounds 882 00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:28,380 like misinformation? And disinformation, the mafia. Yeah, 883 00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:31,080 for sure. Am three the information Mark, 884 00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:35,219 did we start this thing on time? Or what Brother? Was our timing? 885 00:56:35,219 --> 00:56:37,889 Impeccable for once mine for once. 886 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,090 But what what of a dozen possible things? Are you 887 00:56:42,090 --> 00:56:42,690 referring to? 888 00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:48,510 The index the index? Yeah. And the and the and the streaming 889 00:56:48,510 --> 00:56:52,680 sets, you know, the value for value is like, every single day, 890 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,320 more and more people are starting to see this as the as 891 00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,900 an option? And certainly, the index itself, what an what a 892 00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:04,140 valuable piece of work that you've you put together here. 893 00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:05,970 Well, everyone has put together of course, 894 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,490 well, as long as I don't break it with love of dating. We're 895 00:57:08,489 --> 00:57:11,549 good. That's part of the charm. Now that's part of why we're 896 00:57:11,549 --> 00:57:12,869 here. Right in the rocket rod 897 00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:15,630 the right, you know, do you know the end of Dr. Strangelove? Yes. 898 00:57:17,310 --> 00:57:23,430 Run the run the nuke? Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think we just 899 00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:27,690 need to have John on and talk about talk about advance because 900 00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:32,370 I already had some conversations offline about about it. People 901 00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:36,030 have some ideas, people have some concerns. And so like, 902 00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:39,990 rather than try to like, rehash everything here in this slow 903 00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,720 motion thing, I'll just, I'll schedule him. And we'll have a 904 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,590 whole episode dedicated to just like hashing out what that would 905 00:57:46,590 --> 00:57:47,490 mean, a whole 906 00:57:47,489 --> 00:57:53,039 episode. Oh, 15 minutes? Come on. We're running the show here. 907 00:57:55,019 --> 00:58:00,059 Okay, we will have will, you can pencil it in and then we'll 908 00:58:00,089 --> 00:58:02,579 we'll send out a pod ping when we switch topics mid show. 909 00:58:05,220 --> 00:58:08,820 This is very, very, I'm very, very curious about the about the 910 00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:12,840 immense thing that'd be that'll be good to dig into. That's 911 00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:14,130 great ideas. 912 00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:21,630 What is live streams? Okay. You were talking about switching 913 00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:29,160 hosts and everything. Could a live stream have chapters? Cloud 914 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:29,820 chapters? 915 00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:35,369 Yeah, whoa, yeah, you can send metadata. And you can change the 916 00:58:35,369 --> 00:58:38,099 metadata. Like if there's a new song. Yeah, technically, that's 917 00:58:38,099 --> 00:58:41,039 exactly what it is you're sending. You're sending track 918 00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:43,409 data, I think is what it will be called. In this case. 919 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,380 Yeah, I know you're, you're talking about in the mp3 header. 920 00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:50,220 No, no, no, in the life frame there live stream. Yeah, that's 921 00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:53,970 it streaming mp3 chunks is what it is. But what I'm talking 922 00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:58,050 about is, is what I'm talking about is in the chapters cloud, 923 00:58:58,110 --> 00:59:01,320 could it have a cloud chapters file attached to the live 924 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,640 stream, and you're updating the cloud chat the chapters JSON 925 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,090 file. 926 00:59:09,059 --> 00:59:13,979 And the point would be to have I mean, it's already happening 927 00:59:13,979 --> 00:59:17,789 when you you're listening to a stream, the art of the album, 928 00:59:17,789 --> 00:59:20,159 art will change and everything changes. So there's your 929 00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:22,589 mechanism just how do we tie into 930 00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:30,600 the problem? Could be here that that had to look at the spec, 931 00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:36,900 but the problem here can be that the chapters specify an offset. 932 00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,740 But what what is what is the point of the chapter because it 933 00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:45,930 won't be for lookup it'll just be to switch something. I 934 00:59:45,930 --> 00:59:50,280 understand well, I'm not sure if if chapters is the right way to 935 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:50,640 go. 936 00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,209 Well, I'm talking about like for for all the things champions do 937 00:59:54,209 --> 00:59:59,969 like image showing an image at a certain moment. Show you know 938 00:59:59,999 --> 01:00:03,749 Showing having a link is all the power of chapters but within a 939 01:00:03,749 --> 01:00:04,679 live stream. Yeah, 940 01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:05,880 I understand I understand. 941 01:00:07,049 --> 01:00:11,849 The issue here is it does specified as offsets, though, 942 01:00:12,479 --> 01:00:16,829 because like the chapters are like, start time. And it's a 943 01:00:16,829 --> 01:00:18,449 number of seconds afters. 944 01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:24,389 What I'm saying is, there's a perfectly functioning system in 945 01:00:24,389 --> 01:00:31,259 place. That works really, really well with live streams. So I 946 01:00:31,259 --> 01:00:35,549 don't see why putting that into a separate chapter file is going 947 01:00:35,549 --> 01:00:38,099 to make it any better, it would still be the same thing. 948 01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,129 But whatever, I don't know what you just say so so like if I 949 01:00:41,129 --> 01:00:44,969 want to say if I want to send some. Alright, so let's, let's 950 01:00:44,969 --> 01:00:49,469 say that I'm on pod verse. And I'm listening to this live 951 01:00:49,469 --> 01:00:58,109 stream right now. How is pod verse going to get a chapter 952 01:00:58,109 --> 01:00:58,709 image 953 01:00:58,740 --> 01:01:03,780 by changing the image from a podcast in a live stream 954 01:01:03,780 --> 01:01:08,580 scenario, to get the streamed data that is being sent by the 955 01:01:08,580 --> 01:01:09,480 stream already? 956 01:01:10,409 --> 01:01:13,649 So the street you're saying that, then in the ice cast 957 01:01:13,649 --> 01:01:19,169 server in this, in this scenario, can also send chapter 958 01:01:19,169 --> 01:01:19,619 art? 959 01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:25,139 Yes, a URL, I believe I can want to take a look. Because here I 960 01:01:25,139 --> 01:01:32,339 have, I can even do it. I think I can even do it here. On here, 961 01:01:32,339 --> 01:01:37,229 metadata. Okay, you can do ancy, UTF, eight and that 962 01:01:37,229 --> 01:01:41,999 automatically. So you can send it you send the information to 963 01:01:41,999 --> 01:01:46,169 your encoder, which you are, which you're streaming from, and 964 01:01:46,169 --> 01:01:48,899 then that gets rebroadcast by your server? 965 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,160 How does it broadcast, it was the, it encodes it 966 01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:59,249 in the stream. So the audio was going and a metadata stream, and 967 01:01:59,249 --> 01:02:01,589 it will have a URL for an image art. 968 01:02:02,850 --> 01:02:07,500 Okay, so this is icecast metadata. I think that's for now 969 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:08,940 playing information. 970 01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:10,350 I think so. Yeah. 971 01:02:11,789 --> 01:02:14,789 Okay. All right. I need to need to look at that. Because I'm 972 01:02:16,379 --> 01:02:19,619 curious, because I think you guys are going to be at your 973 01:02:19,619 --> 01:02:23,159 station info, which also shows up in certain places, including 974 01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:29,279 an IRC channel, by the way. And the metadata? I see. 975 01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:35,130 Because I'm wondering if you can, okay, this may be the ice 976 01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:39,450 cube soup says it can send arbitrary text. So if that if 977 01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:45,990 that arbitrary text can be like a JSON blob or some sort of 978 01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:54,330 schema, ID, metadata structure, then then you could just send 979 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,310 the chapter data in its standard format. Yeah, you could do that 980 01:02:59,460 --> 01:03:02,280 along the stream in Yeah. Okay. So you can just like, you just 981 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,100 have a rolling chapters file, rather than having to specify 982 01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:06,840 one static file that lives somewhere else. 983 01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:08,940 I mean, typically, the way it works, the way that most 984 01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:13,110 encoders work is, and it none of it's applicable for what we're 985 01:03:13,110 --> 01:03:16,080 really doing. But you fire up, you know, you have a playlist of 986 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,830 songs, that's what they think radio is, and and it plays the 987 01:03:19,830 --> 01:03:24,240 song and it takes the mp3 ID three information from the mp3 988 01:03:24,270 --> 01:03:27,360 shoots that through it through the encoded stream, and then it 989 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:33,600 pops up with a image with with text, album, artists track. 990 01:03:34,439 --> 01:03:37,289 Alright, so that that's a point of research for me then, because 991 01:03:37,289 --> 01:03:42,299 I mean, there, if you can do that, then you can also send 992 01:03:42,359 --> 01:03:44,339 emails and lots of things through that you can listen to 993 01:03:44,339 --> 01:03:51,119 lots of, of, of metadata, structured metadata, for things 994 01:03:51,269 --> 01:03:54,569 like chapters or value blocks, or whatever, 995 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,770 I would not want to get too deep into that at this point. Seeing 996 01:03:58,770 --> 01:04:04,440 as there's really only 10 people doing this, and we have a lot of 997 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,470 other namespace stuff that it may take precedence I'm just 998 01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:11,880 trying to, I'm trying to say is, I don't know if that's super 999 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:17,640 important. At this juncture, it's good. It's fun to look at, 1000 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,610 for sure. It's just like, 1001 01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:24,510 I'm not sure what it's I'm not sure. I don't know, I 1002 01:04:24,510 --> 01:04:30,030 guess. If I were to prioritize things, I would much rather put 1003 01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:34,620 effort into seeing how we can get peer tube to work in apps 1004 01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:37,560 and so we can actually get some video going for the live stuff 1005 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,260 because that's the audience that's waiting to leave 1006 01:04:42,780 --> 01:04:44,280 the video streamers Oh, yeah. 1007 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,320 That's, I mean, the YouTube Super Chat. We have it all, but 1008 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:50,070 we don't. 1009 01:04:52,320 --> 01:05:00,210 What I need I need, Alex gave me an image of the hive writer or a 1010 01:05:00,210 --> 01:05:04,140 Docker image of the hive router, this got the captain proto 1011 01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:09,180 socket stuff in it. So as soon as I get a chance, I tried to 1012 01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:11,700 work on it yesterday, but it didn't just get caught up. But 1013 01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:15,390 as soon as I get a chance, I'm gonna get that working hope 1014 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,300 that's, we gotta get that one out the door first because that 1015 01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:21,990 one's important. And then then once because that gives us live 1016 01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:27,900 reason codes, then then we can move on to something else. But 1017 01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:31,530 as on the pod on the pod ping live front, I guess that one 1018 01:05:31,530 --> 01:05:36,180 really has to has to happen pretty quickly, right? Yeah, 1019 01:05:36,210 --> 01:05:36,570 okay. 1020 01:05:38,010 --> 01:05:40,650 I'm just trying to back your way from too much work, brother. 1021 01:05:41,250 --> 01:05:43,350 Gatchaman. nerd. 1022 01:05:44,010 --> 01:05:45,960 I'm already afraid of the events tag. 1023 01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:53,819 Yeah, yeah, that's a scary one. Do we want to say, 1024 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,570 Yeah, let's do that. That's a good idea, a value for value 1025 01:05:57,570 --> 01:06:01,620 proposition. This podcast is and the entire project. That means 1026 01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:05,700 that we ask a simple question. Did you get any value from this 1027 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:08,640 show from what we're talking about, from any of the guests 1028 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,790 from any of the information from the entire project? Because of 1029 01:06:11,790 --> 01:06:15,000 course, we have servers and stuff that needs to run and his 1030 01:06:15,030 --> 01:06:19,620 upgrade needs to grow. Just put that into a number send it to 1031 01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:23,490 us? Let us know exactly how valuable you think it is. You 1032 01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:26,730 can do that at podcast. index.org. We still do accept 1033 01:06:26,790 --> 01:06:32,790 the PayPal fee at Fun coupons. And is our is our QR code 1034 01:06:32,790 --> 01:06:38,490 showing up again. That thing is elusive. Let me go on the 1035 01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:43,500 website. Yeah, yeah, cuz it was not. No tally. Tally coin is 1036 01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:48,000 like I think tally coin might have done something different. I 1037 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,660 gotta check around see if that's us or them. Anyway, the way the 1038 01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:53,670 way you really want to do it is you want to get an app with a 1039 01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:56,700 boost button that I liked the way James positions I think it's 1040 01:06:56,700 --> 01:07:00,330 funny look at your app does have a boost button. Oh no. You need 1041 01:07:00,330 --> 01:07:06,990 one new podcast. Here's a couple of the boosts that we've been 1042 01:07:06,990 --> 01:07:09,870 receiving during the show and just prior some pre boosts. 1043 01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:12,900 There was a well as a competition. I'll read them in 1044 01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:19,020 reverse order 17,776 from blueberry. Who says it's okay 1045 01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:22,890 I'll look like an ass. The apps I do my serious listening on 1046 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,330 have got to have lit no question about it in my mind live shows 1047 01:07:27,330 --> 01:07:30,540 make up the vast majority of my listening catalogue. I wish more 1048 01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:34,110 apps would take lit seriously okay. Then meet his comes in 1049 01:07:34,110 --> 01:07:42,060 with 17,777 had to one up blueberry. We encourage this by 1050 01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:45,090 the way and there is Dred Scott the Bruce Wayne of podcasting. 1051 01:07:45,090 --> 01:07:54,270 2.0 was 17,778 sets joining the one up club and blueberry boo 1052 01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:58,320 furry I'm sorry boo flurry. That's his brother came in at 1053 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:05,250 17,778 SATs as well. And there is a brand new one from chimp 1054 01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:09,840 13,005 79 eating sushi and boosting live boost boost boost 1055 01:08:11,610 --> 01:08:18,090 it's I love it when it's a game boost boosts. 9999 from Burberry 1056 01:08:19,350 --> 01:08:26,040 as well, let's see we got we go down the list here. Dred Scott 1057 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:34,800 got us going one time for the one time he says 33,333. Boost 1058 01:08:35,130 --> 01:08:42,480 boost Exactly. See servo 3333 boosted from the from the cron 1059 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:44,100 tab. Nice. 1060 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,580 Oh, we got it. We got in some week. We we slid up into 1061 01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,450 somebody's Cron. 1062 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:52,830 We did it's from the boost CLI I had the little logo here. And it 1063 01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:55,470 says boosting from the cron tab in parentheses and Friday 1064 01:08:55,470 --> 01:09:00,570 October 21 1033 dot o one PDT. 2022 cool. 1065 01:09:01,230 --> 01:09:02,550 I like that's like, 1066 01:09:02,849 --> 01:09:03,929 that's the subscription. 1067 01:09:04,050 --> 01:09:07,830 That's the subscription. Yeah, we we have one subscriber that 1068 01:09:07,830 --> 01:09:11,160 we like a lot like sliding up into some nice crontab 1069 01:09:11,969 --> 01:09:21,569 sounds dirty? Yeah. Then we have Lyceum with 2222 and a rush 1070 01:09:21,569 --> 01:09:28,199 2112. Let me see. This is of course, Martin. Martin 1071 01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:31,199 Landeskog. Do you think that the open source version of Pocket 1072 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,619 Cast will add podcast 2.0 and value for value features? How do 1073 01:09:34,619 --> 01:09:38,309 you think automatic that is linked to WordPress could 1074 01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:42,689 support a diverse ecosystem of third party clients? Oh, this is 1075 01:09:42,689 --> 01:09:47,579 a quote. Oh, that's interesting. You know, I think I heard this 1076 01:09:47,639 --> 01:09:51,509 so apparently they say they had a quote. 1077 01:09:52,140 --> 01:09:56,640 They meaning pocket like a Cassie I think automatic. Okay. 1078 01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,539 They like to support a diverse ecosystem of three Third Party 1079 01:10:00,539 --> 01:10:05,249 clients, I'd have to read the whole quote kind of, maybe they 1080 01:10:05,249 --> 01:10:08,849 just want people to tie into their back end our podcast index 1081 01:10:08,849 --> 01:10:11,609 possible. Possible 1082 01:10:11,610 --> 01:10:12,930 open source. 1083 01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:19,800 Could be could be anyway. That would be they'll be interesting 1084 01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:21,120 to see if that happens. Maybe. 1085 01:10:23,010 --> 01:10:25,080 There was a I know they have their own, they have their own 1086 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:31,230 directory and the day was it is the guy's name Phil up in there 1087 01:10:31,230 --> 01:10:34,620 who were talking to one, I think his name was Philip, that we 1088 01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:37,800 thought we had a call with that day from Pocket Casts. 1089 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,630 And here's the Australian guy, wasn't he? Yeah, that was the 1090 01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:44,250 original owner. I guess. Maybe not. 1091 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,090 I think I think he was co founder. Yeah. We just see. 1092 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,030 Yeah, okay. Well, here's here's the quote from what Martin is 1093 01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:53,880 talking about. We believe that podcasting cannot cannot and 1094 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,330 should not be controlled by Apple and Spotify and instead 1095 01:10:57,330 --> 01:11:00,480 support a diverse ecosystem. Oh, clients. Okay. 1096 01:11:00,810 --> 01:11:03,420 I stopped. Stop stoking up trouble, Martin. 1097 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,260 Yeah, it's all makers roll, 1098 01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:08,820 man troublemaker control. 1099 01:11:09,630 --> 01:11:15,180 So but when he when we were talking to him that day, he you 1100 01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:17,940 know, he was like, you know, yeah, we run he was asking me a 1101 01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:21,090 lot of stuff about the index and how we do our directory and that 1102 01:11:21,090 --> 01:11:23,940 kind of thing, because they also run a directory. Yeah. And one 1103 01:11:23,940 --> 01:11:27,210 of the things we briefly chatted about in he was interested in 1104 01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:32,160 working on in the future is, is a way to share on the back end, 1105 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,390 you know, share ride day, like we do with Marco. Yeah, exactly. 1106 01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:40,680 So that we're not all recreating the wheel independently in five 1107 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:41,670 different silos. Yeah, 1108 01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:43,620 we gotta get back. We got to circle back to that. 1109 01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:46,200 Yeah, let's do circle back. circle back. 1110 01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:49,020 All right. Who else can we thank Dave. 1111 01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:53,670 We can thank Marco Arment for a $500 donation that he does every 1112 01:11:53,670 --> 01:11:54,270 month with. 1113 01:11:55,260 --> 01:12:01,380 Yeah, bolo. Sakala 20 is Blaze only Impala. 1114 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,020 Thank you, Marco. Thank you. Yes, 1115 01:12:04,230 --> 01:12:10,230 thank you very much. The search endpoint for the Apple mimic API 1116 01:12:10,230 --> 01:12:15,210 is is finished in a shot of an email about the other day 1117 01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:19,980 because that's part of that fallback mechanism he had in 1118 01:12:19,980 --> 01:12:22,530 place. Now he's got it, we've got look up. We've got the 1119 01:12:22,530 --> 01:12:25,710 iTunes ID lookup. And we also have the search endpoints. So 1120 01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:32,910 those things are for people like Marco, who rely heavily on who 1121 01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:39,240 rely exclusively on the Apple API, the iTunes look up API. If 1122 01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:43,110 you want to what you can do without having to change any of 1123 01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:48,630 your code, you don't have to switch over to use the podcast 1124 01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:53,460 index as your as your API back end, what you can do is if you 1125 01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:59,610 can remain using Apple, and then you can put us as a fallback, 1126 01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:06,180 and you can just basically, if Apple's API goes down, all you 1127 01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:11,280 do is change the host name of the URL, query. Everything else 1128 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,340 stays the same. And you start getting traffic again. And then 1129 01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:17,490 as soon as Apple comes back, online, flip switch, you're 1130 01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:20,160 back. You're back on Apple. So that's what that's intended for. 1131 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,720 And so now we I think we I think we have most of the coverage 1132 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,280 that everybody would need. 1133 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,400 How much is Apple going to donate for us having their back 1134 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:29,760 here? 1135 01:13:30,330 --> 01:13:33,420 Let's see. Oh, I added it up this morning. It's zero. 1136 01:13:35,069 --> 01:13:36,659 Of all the things they could support. 1137 01:13:39,090 --> 01:13:43,230 We've got Jennifer never it. I'm gonna say never read instead of 1138 01:13:43,230 --> 01:13:45,870 never read to Jennifer. If that's wrong, please let me 1139 01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:52,110 know. Jennifer never it says she sent us $17. Again, this was she 1140 01:13:52,110 --> 01:13:55,110 sent us money last week. Jennifer appreciate that. And 1141 01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:58,980 she says a certain value to y'all. To show my appreciation 1142 01:13:58,980 --> 01:14:03,630 is oddly satisfying. Why $17 For the 17 years of joy being a 1143 01:14:03,630 --> 01:14:08,070 podcaster has brought me Wow. Again for the thanks again for 1144 01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:11,640 the breath for the breathing new life into podcasting. I'm as 1145 01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,060 excited today as I was back in 2005. When I heard my very first 1146 01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:18,000 episode of The Daily source code. Keep on keeping on. 1147 01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:24,150 Gee, oh, gee, Jennifer Nice. Wow. Um, thank you. That's 1148 01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,100 really appreciated. That's very nice. 1149 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,180 That's our pay pals for the week. She's been with 1150 01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:31,680 us a long time Dave. 1151 01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:35,400 She has Jennifer good old Janice remember it? Just like it was 1152 01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:41,760 yesterday. Like yesterday. The very first podcast? Yes. Okay, 1153 01:14:41,790 --> 01:14:47,310 Auburn Citadel on the boost front. I don't know what's going 1154 01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:54,540 on but Auburn Citadel sent us seriously like 1,008,333 said 1155 01:14:54,540 --> 01:14:55,260 boosts 1156 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,050 Oh, did he have a stuck? boost button? 1157 01:14:58,739 --> 01:15:02,069 I don't I don't know. Oh, I don't know, but like, okay, 1158 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,520 but certainly not a million. How many if you counted them? All 1159 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:05,820 right. 1160 01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:22,320 1-234-567-8910 1112 1314 1516 1718 1920 2122 23 What 2930 3130 330-738-3940 goes 1161 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:32,340 4041 42 4340 440-548-4950 So these are all 8333 says 50 5050 1162 01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:42,480 That's 50 So far, so there's another 1-234-567-8910 1112 13 1163 01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:49,860 Let me get another teen. Yeah, so 6315 1617 1819 2021 2223 So 1164 01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:58,260 63 No. 73 He sent a 73 boost of 8333 That's 1165 01:15:58,260 --> 01:16:00,900 584,000 Satoshis 1166 01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,820 Oh Sakala 20 is Blaze only Impala 1167 01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:10,170 I'd say. It looks suspiciously like $100 donation is what I'd 1168 01:16:10,170 --> 01:16:13,530 say that is perhaps even t shirt worthy. 1169 01:16:14,819 --> 01:16:18,689 I think that he may have been trying to sneak this sneak this 1170 01:16:18,689 --> 01:16:23,429 pad this may be Satoshi laundering. He may be sneaking 1171 01:16:23,429 --> 01:16:24,689 this past his wife. 1172 01:16:24,989 --> 01:16:30,149 We got to KYC Yes, sneaking. Sneaking a pass. Oh, honey, I 1173 01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:32,069 just tripped on the boost button. Don't worry. It's only 1174 01:16:32,069 --> 01:16:37,259 8000 SATs. Oh, no. No, my fat finger. I did it again. Yes, 1175 01:16:37,619 --> 01:16:39,539 it's fine. Which app which app was it? 1176 01:16:40,590 --> 01:16:47,460 Till man? Link it back in look, it was fountain. Okay. All 1177 01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:50,940 right. Well, I think you know, because Felton doesn't doesn't 1178 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,260 do like hold down and it does mega boosts so I'm thinking oh, 1179 01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:59,070 I know what this is. He said his is per minute. 1180 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,110 Oh goodness. 1181 01:17:01,710 --> 01:17:06,930 28333 Because this Yeah, cuz I'm looking at the timestamp minute 1182 01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:09,990 30 I mean, our 30 minutes our live 1183 01:17:09,989 --> 01:17:14,339 we basically drained drained his wallet after 63 minutes. 1184 01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:20,070 Oh, no. Well, maybe Okay. Didn't know that on accident? 1185 01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:23,190 No, we'll be happy to send it back. If that was if that was a 1186 01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:26,580 an unfortunate user error. But if not, thank you very much. We 1187 01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:28,410 appreciate it. But we're happy to send it back. 1188 01:17:29,550 --> 01:17:32,160 The cat fell asleep on the key. Anything's possible. 1189 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,710 Yeah, no, no, you need to trigger garden these things. 1190 01:17:35,220 --> 01:17:35,580 Yep. 1191 01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:41,970 Gene Everett gene, also known as gene from our mock 33 333. And 1192 01:17:41,970 --> 01:17:43,440 he says boost Yo yo, 1193 01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:45,150 thank you very much, Jean. Appreciate it. 1194 01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:53,550 Mike No, Mike Newman. Hey, Mike. longtown se SATs 5047 through 1195 01:17:53,550 --> 01:17:58,860 curio caster. Thank you, Mike. Mike again. 1658. Thank you, 1196 01:17:59,430 --> 01:18:03,120 Mike. Nice note. No, neither one of those though. Oh, the tone 1197 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,740 record since 2052. With no note. Thank you, Tom. America. 1000 1198 01:18:07,740 --> 01:18:13,350 SATs for PTC. BTC June. And the messages that's love bros. Let's 1199 01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:18,360 go. He's the OG he's a leader in this space. He's a leader in 1200 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:24,360 the space in the Magic Quadrant. Yeah. Merlin. Merlin sin is 1201 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:30,690 three 535 40 SATs no note 80,000 SATs from Gene been to cast 1202 01:18:30,690 --> 01:18:33,930 ematic. And he says here's a little something to help offset 1203 01:18:33,930 --> 01:18:36,300 the Pay Pal debacle. Thanks for what y'all do. 1204 01:18:36,750 --> 01:18:39,750 Oh, thank you. Thank you. That's really nice. Appreciate that. 1205 01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:40,440 Boost. 1206 01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:47,730 Oh, Roy scheinfeld. Look who showed up. Oh. Four 321. 1207 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:48,930 There you go. 1208 01:18:49,470 --> 01:18:52,230 And he says, I need to share with you all the story behind 1209 01:18:52,230 --> 01:18:56,670 the boost confetti. Oh, okay. I would love to hear the story. 1210 01:18:56,670 --> 01:18:57,210 Oh, Tina. 1211 01:18:57,300 --> 01:18:59,910 He didn't write it. He just said I need to share the story. 1212 01:19:00,540 --> 01:19:04,170 He said I need to share the no, there's no there's no. He says I 1213 01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:04,770 need to share it. 1214 01:19:05,130 --> 01:19:08,100 Well, we need to have Roy on again soon because he's been 1215 01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:10,620 updating their podcasting app and breeze as well. 1216 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:20,100 Thanks. Yeah, we also it would also be good to have him on to 1217 01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:21,990 catch up with some of the stuff that's been going on the 1218 01:19:22,260 --> 01:19:25,650 Lightning Network stuff in general. Yeah. Yeah. 1219 01:19:25,650 --> 01:19:29,490 Tomorrow and all this stuff in the green light. Okay, yeah. Oh, 1220 01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:34,710 Colorado. DS laughs 333 says boost equals love. Oh, it 1221 01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:37,800 certainly does. Hold on. I have a boosting loving I should have 1222 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,840 one loose all this kind of Sir. 1223 01:19:40,139 --> 01:19:48,179 Bucha very sappy, sappy de Bozak since 3333, no note thank you to 1224 01:19:48,179 --> 01:19:54,359 Bozak 8334 from mere mortals podcast, everybody chyron 1225 01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:58,079 through the fountain app and he says 1300 or 1400 calories a 1226 01:19:58,079 --> 01:19:59,969 day. Somebody gets this man's beef 1227 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,140 So that is yes, indeed. How's the beef doing? Are you feeling 1228 01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:04,500 good? 1229 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,890 Oh yeah, I'm doing I'm doing a lot better I'm in than working 1230 01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:13,920 out and I'm feeling I can tell I can really feel the benefit of 1231 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,810 having high quality protein. Like, in a way that it's, I 1232 01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:22,290 can't really describe it. It's just like, I don't. I can feel 1233 01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:25,170 that my muscles are getting the things that they need this I 1234 01:20:25,170 --> 01:20:26,940 don't have the fatigue is a lot better, 1235 01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:30,450 actually. And you feel more caveman ish. 1236 01:20:31,230 --> 01:20:32,400 Yes, 1237 01:20:32,430 --> 01:20:36,300 right. Am I right? And yeah, and just just keep eating that man. 1238 01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:39,780 And we just got some raw milk. Actually, the meat mafia guys 1239 01:20:39,780 --> 01:20:43,560 brought a like a two versus a three gallon jug of raw milk. 1240 01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:46,500 Goat milk or cow milk 1241 01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:47,880 cow mill. Oh, man. 1242 01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:51,030 That's all WestEd grass. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 1243 01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:55,260 And it's, it's from LaGrange, Texas. It was almost like a 1244 01:20:55,260 --> 01:20:56,130 milkshake. 1245 01:20:56,970 --> 01:21:01,350 Oh, well. So is it the kind whether it is the non non 1246 01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:03,600 homogenized where the cream floats to the top and you gotta 1247 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:04,560 shake it straight 1248 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:05,190 from the cow. 1249 01:21:05,790 --> 01:21:10,860 Oh, love it straight from that. Yeah. Yeah. They used to we used 1250 01:21:10,860 --> 01:21:17,130 to buy raw milk up in Woodinville, which is about 45 1251 01:21:17,130 --> 01:21:20,670 minutes north of here. We used to live up there. And we would 1252 01:21:20,670 --> 01:21:24,840 buy raw goat's milk. And on these pastured goats, it was 1253 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,670 delicious. But they like to get around the raw milk rules. The 1254 01:21:30,420 --> 01:21:33,030 very late called Yeah, secret handshake. 1255 01:21:33,450 --> 01:21:37,350 Everything they had it labeled that a sticker on everyone that 1256 01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:41,850 said, not for human consumption. Oh, of course. Yes. Exactly. God 1257 01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:43,530 no, no, I'm buying this for my doll 1258 01:21:43,530 --> 01:21:46,710 for the dog. Exactly. For the chickens. The chickens? Yes. 1259 01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:51,780 Cast VLAN 3690 Because it's just a boost. Thanks for fixing the 1260 01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:52,200 world. 1261 01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:55,200 We love just the boost anytime but 1262 01:21:56,460 --> 01:22:02,010 mere mortals podcast 12 3453 from chyron. He says as much as 1263 01:22:02,010 --> 01:22:04,680 I love Bitcoin and all the amazing work on the tags. The 1264 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,290 idea that stuck in my head and made me have some sleepless 1265 01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:10,950 nights was V for V. The exact reason I decided to create a 1266 01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:14,070 whole show around it. That's right. That's right, we get 1267 01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:15,900 value for value podcast. And 1268 01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:17,640 we we love that show. 1269 01:22:18,510 --> 01:22:23,640 Gene been with some late 1337 sets their cast dramatic and 1270 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,980 he's got more coffee. Sorry. Me coffee.com Does subscriptions 1271 01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,530 and is backed by stripe, assuming I understand things 1272 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:32,010 correctly. 1273 01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:38,310 Yes. So I had my meeting with the ibex team. Yeah, love these 1274 01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:42,780 guys. So right away, they set me up, you know, so now I have a 1275 01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:47,700 right now, I just had the basic system so I can generate a QR 1276 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:53,430 code on chain or lightning it when it's paid, it goes straight 1277 01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:56,250 through and goes into the bank account. So that part works 1278 01:22:56,250 --> 01:23:02,550 beautifully. Now they are adding the the guess there's a whole 1279 01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:05,280 nother piece to it that they have that they now connect to it 1280 01:23:05,310 --> 01:23:09,090 where you get the gist encode the just write the URL like you 1281 01:23:09,090 --> 01:23:15,000 would a Pay Pal link. So that that's gonna work and, and 1282 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,760 lightning address. So you know, yeah. And, 1283 01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,950 well, the wood well known thing, 1284 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,590 the dot well known thing, and they totally like keys and 1285 01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:32,550 totally, they're gonna do it all. There now of course all 1286 01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:36,330 jacked up. Like why should we be providing stats? I said, I don't 1287 01:23:36,330 --> 01:23:38,820 know, man. He's what I'll be doing. You know, here's what 1288 01:23:38,820 --> 01:23:42,300 heli pad does maybe accomplish some great idea. I don't know. 1289 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:46,830 But it's it's pretty decent. It really is the but the team is 1290 01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:50,580 great. There's just a doozy ASIC to build this. 1291 01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:54,840 Here's what they should do. Should I don't like that word? I 1292 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,560 should take that. I should take that word away. Yes, yes, yes. 1293 01:23:58,590 --> 01:24:05,220 Okay, here's what they could do. They could make a general 1294 01:24:05,220 --> 01:24:10,620 purpose API, where you as the podcaster can authorize other 1295 01:24:10,650 --> 01:24:15,330 third parties to give you stats, so that you can get Oh, sure. 1296 01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:18,660 Yeah. I'll be great. Yeah, great. 1297 01:24:18,809 --> 01:24:23,039 Well, I'll recommend that to them. I mean, for me, I'm sorry, 1298 01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:26,039 the reason why we're discussing it was the subscription part. So 1299 01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:29,579 they they already have a product in the works, and they will 1300 01:24:29,579 --> 01:24:33,779 present to me when they're ready. But I think no agenda may 1301 01:24:33,779 --> 01:24:40,139 be able to receive on chain and lightning in the next week or 1302 01:24:40,139 --> 01:24:40,439 two. 1303 01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:43,470 That fast Wow. Well, they're only 1304 01:24:43,860 --> 01:24:46,830 technically it's, it's working. It's, you know, just need the 1305 01:24:46,830 --> 01:24:51,960 URLs to encode. And, you know, for for no agendas purposes, 1306 01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:57,570 getting the keys and working which I mean they are they they 1307 01:24:57,570 --> 01:24:59,010 pretty much have all the pieces, 1308 01:24:59,550 --> 01:25:02,700 so they're good So let me let me make sure I understand they, 1309 01:25:02,730 --> 01:25:11,040 they are going to have a key send a Kison enabled wallet 1310 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,870 there. And they're going to, they're on their platform and 1311 01:25:15,870 --> 01:25:20,010 they are going to settle it into US Dollars immediately. 1312 01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:26,820 So you can set a slider, you can say I want, you know, like 10% 1313 01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:31,710 Fiat fun coupons and 90% keep it in Bitcoin or you can slide it 1314 01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:36,480 any way you want. And so that, of course, it's very inefficient 1315 01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:44,340 to do direct for small deposits through the A was an ACH, the 1316 01:25:44,340 --> 01:25:47,100 Clearinghouse, yes. So they'll do that once every night, they 1317 01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:49,770 aggregate all the payments of the day, and then put and then 1318 01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:50,490 send them over. 1319 01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:54,060 And they're gonna give you a separate metadata file that has 1320 01:25:54,090 --> 01:25:56,700 all of like a booster gram donations and stuff. 1321 01:25:56,820 --> 01:26:00,510 Well, again, it's not it's not going to work with KY sand off 1322 01:26:00,510 --> 01:26:01,050 the bat. 1323 01:26:01,980 --> 01:26:04,170 But when they get that part when they get to that, 1324 01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:09,000 yes, I believe, I believe so. And if I look at the if I look 1325 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,310 at their interface now give me a second I can tell you here's 1326 01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:17,100 what I get from them now cuz I did get the Excel sheet it was 1327 01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:20,160 because I'm like, You got to have an Excel export or I can't 1328 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:27,420 live on a second managers accounts. Right now I just need 1329 01:26:27,420 --> 01:26:33,570 to do this two days earlier. Okay, let me see. CSV. Let me 1330 01:26:33,570 --> 01:26:36,660 just see transactions. Let me tell you the fields that it has 1331 01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:41,490 now, which was very encouraging. I recall here we go. dispersed 1332 01:26:41,490 --> 01:26:45,810 date, date created date, settled account, information, account 1333 01:26:45,810 --> 01:26:51,870 name, total. millesime, that's total amount, currency currency 1334 01:26:51,870 --> 01:27:00,690 conversion. Oh, even put the fees in there. And then they 1335 01:27:00,690 --> 01:27:06,240 have invoice fields, memo, field, Name field, all the stuff 1336 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:10,230 you want for, you know, to be filled up with either donation 1337 01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:13,650 node or a booster gram. So yeah, that point will take a little 1338 01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:18,510 bit, but once we get this part going, then at least we can we 1339 01:27:18,510 --> 01:27:19,500 can have it you know? 1340 01:27:19,980 --> 01:27:25,050 Yes. So that is if somebody wants to be donate, I think it's 1341 01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:29,220 was like 250 or above us dollars for executive producer. Yeah. 1342 01:27:29,220 --> 01:27:32,070 200 on the budget, and then you would have like, they could 1343 01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:35,040 don't, they could send they could ki send you through a 1344 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,780 podcast app, one, one and a half mu or they can just 1,000,005 1345 01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:40,680 SATs or they 1346 01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,940 can just go to the donation page and just scan the QR code. 1347 01:27:45,390 --> 01:27:48,030 Right but either one word that the goal would be either one 1348 01:27:48,030 --> 01:27:52,530 would work Correct? Correct. Sweet. Okay. That's really fun. 1349 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,340 It's really neat. 1350 01:27:53,729 --> 01:27:58,079 I'm super excited because it'll open up a lot of a lot of 1351 01:27:58,589 --> 01:28:00,869 opportunities for people who really just don't want to deal 1352 01:28:00,869 --> 01:28:04,889 with it maybe at least not right off the bat I mean, that's what 1353 01:28:04,889 --> 01:28:09,299 I liked about the slider was keep 20% in Bitcoin 1354 01:28:11,609 --> 01:28:15,779 3333 sets for mix through fountain no note and will thank 1355 01:28:15,779 --> 01:28:19,709 you mix 1000 SATs for Mitch and he said pod version he says go 1356 01:28:19,709 --> 01:28:20,399 podcasting. 1357 01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:21,780 Yeah, thank you very much. 1358 01:28:24,810 --> 01:28:28,290 Make that 2000 Not 1000 submissions. He sent us a double 1359 01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:34,410 slewed send us 12345 through fountain he says, Can I get a 1360 01:28:34,410 --> 01:28:38,370 recording of day saying what is this? Adam saying? Hey baby, 1361 01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:40,380 it's get it gets better love you mean. 1362 01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:46,080 Go ahead. Do you do your Give me your lie? Oh, 1363 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:52,170 you're supposed to say yeah. Hey, okay. What is this? Hey, 1364 01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:52,590 baby. 1365 01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:57,360 Don't worry. It gets better. All right. Pretty sick, dude. How 1366 01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,380 many SATs was that? 1367 01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:00,480 12345. 1368 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,050 That's kind of underpaid. 1369 01:29:04,649 --> 01:29:09,089 underpaid. Yes, that was high quality content. Scott Sikora 1370 01:29:09,359 --> 01:29:13,319 since 25,000 SATs through found in any size this boost is to 1371 01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:17,489 help Dave get to Pittsburgh to get Lipson to enable podcast 2.0 1372 01:29:17,489 --> 01:29:21,719 features if I'm not if I'm not I'm going to be moving over to 1373 01:29:21,719 --> 01:29:24,479 hang out with Todd pew pew go beef casting 1374 01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,040 booth that happened all at once. 1375 01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:36,750 Let's see. Oh 1010 SAS from tester and he says test test 1376 01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:37,530 testicles. 1377 01:29:37,589 --> 01:29:39,179 Okay, okay, thanks. 1378 01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:46,890 How you doing booster. See, get some anonymous boosts. Lots of 1379 01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:51,240 those. Thank you. Anonymous 500 says appreciate it of tone 1380 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,990 record back with 2052 Thank you tone record of get Brian of 1381 01:29:54,990 --> 01:30:02,010 London in the hive Dao 52,842 sets Yeah. much Brian. And Brian 1382 01:30:02,010 --> 01:30:07,860 says hi ho Hi ho. It's off to court. I go one day I'll be able 1383 01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:10,740 to give a proper update on our Australian legal adventures. 1384 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,640 He's like a never ending nondisclosure agreement this guy 1385 01:30:16,620 --> 01:30:20,460 that's how we met he laid out this whole story this you know 1386 01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,820 he's gonna win $10 billion and he's all gonna give it make us a 1387 01:30:23,820 --> 01:30:24,600 millionaire 1388 01:30:25,710 --> 01:30:32,490 just as all we need. All we need is a $5 million donation Brian 1389 01:30:32,670 --> 01:30:35,010 and we've got 10 billion which need a $5 million dollar 1390 01:30:35,010 --> 01:30:37,560 donation to the podcast index are good 1391 01:30:37,650 --> 01:30:39,060 and and the yacht 1392 01:30:40,830 --> 01:30:44,430 okay, I don't want to get too greedy. Okay, 4 million and EI 1393 01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:50,700 for me in any Lyceum, also known as Martin lindskog, sinister 1394 01:30:50,700 --> 01:30:53,610 Liberty boost 1776 And he says it is interesting to see how 1395 01:30:53,610 --> 01:30:56,970 players like striking Cash App or making it easier for regular 1396 01:30:56,970 --> 01:31:00,630 users to buy and E wallets instant Satoshis talking to 1397 01:31:00,870 --> 01:31:05,370 content creators as an American in spirit and rooting for 1398 01:31:05,370 --> 01:31:08,640 European developers eg Albion fountain, so they could find 1399 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,850 ways for users outside the North American market. Do you think 1400 01:31:11,850 --> 01:31:15,690 Stripe will get into new markets come up with new features after 1401 01:31:15,690 --> 01:31:20,490 the Pay Pal story? I think maybe you mean strike to 1402 01:31:20,490 --> 01:31:22,920 give me an strike to Yeah, I don't know. Maybe? 1403 01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:26,490 Yeah. I mean, it's I don't know what they're doing. I don't 1404 01:31:26,490 --> 01:31:27,270 know. Nobody knows 1405 01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:30,600 anything. Really. No one really knows anything. Other than that 1406 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,330 there's there's some gambling going on somewhere. 1407 01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:40,230 The tone wrecker send us 3333 through Fontanini says. Now 1408 01:31:40,230 --> 01:31:44,580 testing previous record archive uploads from Bandcamp undertone 1409 01:31:44,580 --> 01:31:49,380 record tracks and 2.0 RSS realm. Chapters for each track with 1410 01:31:49,380 --> 01:31:53,820 beside record artwork is great so far. Did I see a brief curio 1411 01:31:53,820 --> 01:31:57,540 cast music entry by Dave noting SoundCloud hook as a test last 1412 01:31:57,540 --> 01:32:01,560 week? Did you think you I didn't I do have a SoundCloud test 1413 01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,020 feed? Yes, you did see that. That's interesting 1414 01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:06,720 because someone else was asking let me see what do we have in 1415 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,700 the music tab isn't what's new. 1416 01:32:09,569 --> 01:32:13,229 I don't know what you mean. Don't record out if you're on 1417 01:32:13,619 --> 01:32:16,859 the mastodon to like tell me what you mean. Let's 1418 01:32:16,860 --> 01:32:17,940 find out what's going on. 1419 01:32:18,330 --> 01:32:20,220 Yeah, what do you do and I want to I want to know what you're 1420 01:32:20,220 --> 01:32:26,370 doing. Lyceum sent us a 2112 Rush boost he says it's great to 1421 01:32:26,370 --> 01:32:30,480 read an article on podcasting 2.0 in the biggest tabloid in 1422 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:34,470 Sweden, it's the Aftonbladet 1423 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:36,240 yes 1424 01:32:37,770 --> 01:32:42,060 that we got a man this there's a lot of music starting to pop up 1425 01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:45,030 here. Sorry to interrupt just looking at the curio caster 1426 01:32:45,090 --> 01:32:49,530 music tab. And it's October 17 18th there's new stuff coming 1427 01:32:49,530 --> 01:32:50,070 up anyway. 1428 01:32:50,789 --> 01:32:51,869 Let me see what that is. 1429 01:32:52,319 --> 01:32:59,339 Stereo stereo on music stereo on music good 1430 01:33:01,979 --> 01:33:02,699 scenario 1431 01:33:11,670 --> 01:33:26,700 P pieces all right. Well, that's what a stereo on where does that 1432 01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:29,250 hosted? Let me see. That's on SoundCloud. 1433 01:33:29,490 --> 01:33:31,320 Okay, yeah. Okay, so that's cool. How 1434 01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:36,180 did they get anything good in there though? Let me look at 1435 01:33:36,180 --> 01:33:37,860 SoundCloud RSS feed 1436 01:33:37,860 --> 01:33:39,960 so yeah, I'm telling you that people are starting to figure 1437 01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,380 out they can use their RSS feed and and run it through podcast 1438 01:33:43,380 --> 01:33:44,820 or wallet or fountain 1439 01:33:46,290 --> 01:33:47,400 I wonder if I did 1440 01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:53,940 get an inside job man. Fake news. 1441 01:33:54,810 --> 01:33:57,870 There's two in here well okay, well that's ours is blue. Okay, 1442 01:33:57,870 --> 01:34:00,300 that's coming from our says blue I got you okay, that's Adobe 1443 01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:06,090 does. Oh. All right. All right. Mystery soft. Where was that? 1444 01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:10,020 Oh, yes. Agree. Yeah, get on the get on there and tell us what 1445 01:34:10,020 --> 01:34:14,220 you're doing. I want to know 2222 From Lyceum again, he says, 1446 01:34:15,210 --> 01:34:18,060 Oh, wait, you're we already read that. And that means that we're 1447 01:34:18,060 --> 01:34:23,490 left with the delimiter Comstor blogger 50 No. 33 sets through 1448 01:34:23,490 --> 01:34:26,580 fountain and he says, How do you Adam and Dave, your audience is 1449 01:34:26,580 --> 01:34:30,540 invited to listen to AI dot cooking podcast about artificial 1450 01:34:30,540 --> 01:34:34,230 intelligence narrated by silky voice of Gregory William 1451 01:34:34,230 --> 01:34:38,010 Forsythe Foreman from Kent UK. Just enter AI cooking in your 1452 01:34:38,010 --> 01:34:40,650 web browser or in your podcast player app. Yo, 1453 01:34:40,739 --> 01:34:49,079 yo. Just one quickie since he's listening live our our ginger 1454 01:34:49,079 --> 01:34:53,129 fair haired Brit Sam Sethi is 1455 01:34:53,370 --> 01:34:55,620 always listening. Is he in the chat room? 1456 01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:00,840 I don't know if he's in the chat room percent 1947 booths So now 1457 01:35:00,870 --> 01:35:04,380 we know the 1948 is Sir Brian of London with his Israeli 1458 01:35:04,380 --> 01:35:08,070 independence Do you know what 1947 Represent? 1459 01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:13,050 I'm going to guess that that is the year of independence of the 1460 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,090 of India from the British Empire. 1461 01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:20,219 Correct. You are sir dough. India independence boosts love 1462 01:35:20,219 --> 01:35:23,879 the idea of pod ping to update any change in RSS and can't wait 1463 01:35:23,879 --> 01:35:28,349 for Spurlock show as podcast events is super exciting, ready 1464 01:35:28,349 --> 01:35:33,209 to implement? Nice. Were you ready to implement what 1465 01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,929 I say? There you go. We got we got another week. Another one in 1466 01:35:36,929 --> 01:35:41,309 the box. They're ready to go. monthlies. Okay, Tim Hudgins my 1467 01:35:41,309 --> 01:35:48,209 buddy $25. David would find $3 Paul, Paul Erskine $11.14, 1468 01:35:48,209 --> 01:35:51,899 Michael Goggin, $5 and Charles current, very $5. Thank 1469 01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:58,230 you all so much. And that will keep us going for for another 1470 01:35:58,230 --> 01:36:02,970 week. Please consider us. When you're thinking about the value 1471 01:36:02,970 --> 01:36:05,370 you'd like to return to the project. It's the only way it'll 1472 01:36:05,370 --> 01:36:10,590 it'll keep working. And so far, two years. We're still we're 1473 01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:13,080 still they're still doing it. We're not dead. We're not done 1474 01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:18,240 yet. Podcasts index.org for your for your pay pal Fiat fun 1475 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,960 coupons and any podcast app that does value for value at new 1476 01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,820 podcast apps.com. 1477 01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,660 We may be old and creaky or not. Did 1478 01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:33,210 you have anything on your list? I'm just trying to look at the 1479 01:36:34,530 --> 01:36:36,720 back. Do you have to go back to the office today? 1480 01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,530 I do. But I've got a little bit of time. I don't know if you get 1481 01:36:40,530 --> 01:36:41,400 anything. But 1482 01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:45,540 let me see. I thought that was kind of the oral history of 1483 01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:50,520 gimlet slow demise. I don't know if you saw that. Oh, here's some 1484 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:51,060 snack. 1485 01:36:51,090 --> 01:36:54,240 Oh, my God, I didn't read the whole thing. It's, I can just 1486 01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:55,650 imagine what it says though. 1487 01:36:56,670 --> 01:37:00,120 Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I mean, it was weird, because 1488 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,240 there's, there's these two threads that kind of intersected 1489 01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:06,000 and I wasn't quite sure what to do with it. Because one is, you 1490 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,530 know, obviously, we're laughing at this $244,000 to create a 1491 01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:14,040 podcast. And that was like this big conversation and somehow 1492 01:37:15,090 --> 01:37:22,830 because of our comments about an edit and the way an interview 1493 01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:27,210 was edited on pod land. That kind of got conflated. Somehow. 1494 01:37:27,210 --> 01:37:29,730 I'm not really Yeah, it was really odd. And then on pod 1495 01:37:29,730 --> 01:37:33,900 land, they did a they did an interview with what's the guy's 1496 01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:38,010 name? Neil. He's a he's apparently the best editor best 1497 01:37:38,010 --> 01:37:39,300 audio editor in the world. 1498 01:37:39,689 --> 01:37:41,849 I haven't listened to that. Yesterday's yet. I haven't. 1499 01:37:41,849 --> 01:37:43,109 Yeah. So had made that for him. 1500 01:37:43,170 --> 01:37:47,070 So then James did an edit of the interview which Sam conducted? 1501 01:37:48,210 --> 01:37:53,610 In, I guess, what's that tool called? With the I'll use? The 1502 01:37:53,610 --> 01:37:57,480 script D script. Yeah. And, and then after that, the same 1503 01:37:57,480 --> 01:38:03,090 interview edited by Neil himself. And I mean, it was 1504 01:38:03,150 --> 01:38:06,180 that's at first, that's really hard to do. And I don't think 1505 01:38:06,690 --> 01:38:09,210 that made no sense to me, because I just heard the 1506 01:38:09,210 --> 01:38:11,580 interview. And it was, it was actually it was nice. It was 1507 01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:14,610 good to listen to I, I went through all the, you know, got 1508 01:38:14,610 --> 01:38:17,700 off track, it's back on track. And then Neil did it the way he 1509 01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:20,730 felt it should be done. And I felt like I was running behind 1510 01:38:20,730 --> 01:38:23,940 the story I couldn't quite catch up. It's like, hold on, moving 1511 01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:28,500 too fast for me. But the whole thing was kind of odd about. I 1512 01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:33,750 mean, I just put it this way. If you find yourself editing out 1513 01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:38,880 your arms and your eyes, you just find a different hobby. The 1514 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,690 whole point is when you do this, and I have all kinds of arms and 1515 01:38:42,690 --> 01:38:49,620 ahhs and stop words and think phrases, and it's either you 1516 01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:52,830 gotta you gotta catch yourself that you need to learn to be 1517 01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:57,810 better, because in all these conversations about production 1518 01:38:57,810 --> 01:39:00,930 and executive producers and editors and mixers and 1519 01:39:00,930 --> 01:39:04,710 recorders, I did hear many people talking about the talent 1520 01:39:04,710 --> 01:39:08,820 on the show. And our even wasn't even discussed as a number that 1521 01:39:08,820 --> 01:39:12,660 you had to hire the talent. When I think the whole point is 1522 01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:17,130 podcasts and gives people with different talents and 1523 01:39:17,130 --> 01:39:22,620 opportunity to communicate. And I don't know if you need to cut 1524 01:39:22,620 --> 01:39:27,300 them all up and make it I mean, in fact, as Neil said, the way 1525 01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:32,640 you edit should be about what you the podcaster want to 1526 01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,930 portray. And that's my point. Exactly. That's what you want. 1527 01:39:36,930 --> 01:39:39,090 So I don't want to do an interview where it's going to be 1528 01:39:39,090 --> 01:39:42,510 cut up to portray what you want to portray. I want people to 1529 01:39:42,510 --> 01:39:47,130 hear what I have to say and Joe Rogan, I know no one over there 1530 01:39:47,130 --> 01:39:50,760 listens because you know he's evil. But you should listen to 1531 01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:55,200 Joe Rogan because he is a very skilled conversationalist. And 1532 01:39:55,200 --> 01:40:00,720 it's I think everyone should be able to learn how To speak 1533 01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,830 better at divorce, Nick and I, we that's one of the main 1534 01:40:04,830 --> 01:40:09,630 features of the show, he'll say you're smacking your lips. Or 1535 01:40:09,630 --> 01:40:12,540 I'll say you're saying the fact of the matter too much, and we 1536 01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:15,210 catch each other and we stop that stuff. And we make 1537 01:40:15,210 --> 01:40:20,040 ourselves better in the process. I don't, it's one thing to and 1538 01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:23,250 again, you don't necessarily need to shorten time on a 1539 01:40:23,250 --> 01:40:27,270 podcast, but okay, you have a budget of time that you want a 1540 01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:30,720 lot. I personally feel that you should have done a shorter 1541 01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:35,370 interview. That's, but that's me personally. And so I find 1542 01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:42,360 editing a conversation. And it's not about context. It's about 1543 01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:46,740 rhythm and breath. And I hear it all the time. Like, no, the 1544 01:40:46,740 --> 01:40:51,150 person didn't breathe in between those two sentences. It's not 1545 01:40:51,150 --> 01:40:54,960 comfortable to listen to say, I don't want to dwell on it too 1546 01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,270 much. But I was surprised what a big deal they made out of 1547 01:40:57,270 --> 01:41:00,900 essence, editing is it's inherently I mean, we don't edit 1548 01:41:00,900 --> 01:41:04,140 the show. And I'll make a little snip there to tighten up the 1549 01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:07,140 spot when you went to let the dog out. And that's it. And 1550 01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:09,270 everything else. Is that kind of the beauty of it? Don't we 1551 01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:14,430 already have the perfect NPR the perfect, mainstream media that 1552 01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:17,070 doesn't fuck up and doesn't say the wrong things? Don't we 1553 01:41:17,070 --> 01:41:20,580 already have that? Is it more fun to listen to authenticity? 1554 01:41:21,870 --> 01:41:25,710 I have found myself speaking more slowly, lately. And it's 1555 01:41:25,710 --> 01:41:28,650 directly in response to going back and listening to our 1556 01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:33,840 episodes. Sure. And hearing how, when my mind goes really fast, 1557 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:38,550 and I try when my mouth tries to match the speed of thought that 1558 01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:44,400 my head is going at my words, get all fumbled up, and I end up 1559 01:41:44,490 --> 01:41:48,540 doing the arms and ahhs and I restart my sentences multiple 1560 01:41:48,540 --> 01:41:51,360 times and these kinds of things. So I've been hearing myself do 1561 01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:56,400 this. And I've been trying to consciously, like, slow down the 1562 01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:00,270 rhythm of my talk, so that I can so that my mouth doesn't outpace 1563 01:42:00,270 --> 01:42:01,140 my mind. 1564 01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:04,410 And you get that from listening to yourself and improve it. 1565 01:42:04,410 --> 01:42:04,830 Yeah. 1566 01:42:05,819 --> 01:42:09,449 Yeah. And it's really, it's really helpful because I want 1567 01:42:09,809 --> 01:42:15,089 I've got these ideas, and I want to say them, but also want to 1568 01:42:15,089 --> 01:42:19,949 say them in a specific way. Because just you have to, you've 1569 01:42:19,949 --> 01:42:23,069 got the idea. And then you've got the way that it comes out 1570 01:42:23,069 --> 01:42:26,339 and gets presented. Yeah, they're both important. Like, 1571 01:42:26,339 --> 01:42:29,729 really, almost the presentation is almost more important than 1572 01:42:29,729 --> 01:42:32,549 the ideas so because that's really where it becomes a 1573 01:42:32,549 --> 01:42:35,639 reality. So yeah, and this Yeah, 1574 01:42:35,700 --> 01:42:39,120 and this is what the podcast Industrial Complex has become a 1575 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,600 bunch of creatives, who executive producers who come up 1576 01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,570 with a show idea, they pitch it to the person with the money, 1577 01:42:45,690 --> 01:42:49,350 then they go assemble the team and get a host. Yeah, that's 1578 01:42:49,380 --> 01:42:53,190 Hollywood. And by the way, gimlet and all these people, you 1579 01:42:53,190 --> 01:42:57,180 play Hollywood, you get treated like Hollywood. I've been fired 1580 01:42:57,210 --> 01:43:00,840 overnight, clear out your desk. No, you can't take your edit 1581 01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:02,040 with you. Goodbye. 1582 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,170 Let's Hollywood. 1583 01:43:05,340 --> 01:43:09,060 Ladies, we bought your show. We don't like you. You're too 1584 01:43:09,060 --> 01:43:12,060 expensive. You're a pain in the ass. You want to give too many 1585 01:43:12,060 --> 01:43:14,970 demands. We got new people for the show. You got no rights. We 1586 01:43:14,970 --> 01:43:19,410 bought that from you. That's Hollywood. That's it's such a 1587 01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:20,760 it's a trap of 1588 01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,820 ask so many people fail. It's not even just Hollywood. It's 1589 01:43:23,820 --> 01:43:28,710 the broader media. Like, it's just it's New York. It's all the 1590 01:43:28,710 --> 01:43:31,500 you know, look how many people bounce from like new station to 1591 01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:35,550 new station, you got people going from one, you know, Fox to 1592 01:43:35,580 --> 01:43:38,910 CNN and back and forth, and all these kinds of places like that. 1593 01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:41,850 You just get bought and sold all the time. I mean, you just, you 1594 01:43:41,850 --> 01:43:45,300 know, meet some of those guys make lots of money. But I mean, 1595 01:43:45,300 --> 01:43:48,690 you you're not you're not above being fired at all. 1596 01:43:49,049 --> 01:43:53,759 No, no, absolutely. It's just it's so it's misguided. That's 1597 01:43:53,759 --> 01:43:56,729 all it's just, there was a lot of money floating around. And 1598 01:43:56,729 --> 01:43:59,969 now it's tightening up as I predicted. And it's just, it's 1599 01:43:59,969 --> 01:44:02,489 only gonna get worse than the people who have figured out how 1600 01:44:02,489 --> 01:44:06,989 to put a podcast together themselves. Maybe with one other 1601 01:44:06,989 --> 01:44:10,109 person like you and I are doing that you're gonna make it 1602 01:44:11,429 --> 01:44:17,789 because you have to keep those costs low. You have to, and I'm 1603 01:44:17,789 --> 01:44:21,479 broken record one of the last times I'll do this, because we 1604 01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,659 never had the gear for podcasters and we're just now 1605 01:44:24,659 --> 01:44:28,079 finally getting the gear that you can record something with 1606 01:44:28,079 --> 01:44:32,279 your sound straight in. You know, like talented people, you 1607 01:44:32,279 --> 01:44:34,859 know, who have a conversation. It's funny enough to edit the 1608 01:44:34,859 --> 01:44:39,929 fun into it. That's the problem is we created this. This 1609 01:44:39,929 --> 01:44:45,149 generation of Phil Spector, a wall of sound podcast editors, 1610 01:44:45,809 --> 01:44:48,149 which is well just give me anything give me some stock 1611 01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:50,849 music. Give me some person reading a script. I'll make a 1612 01:44:50,849 --> 01:44:54,869 great podcast, but it's kind of manufactured. A lot of it. 1613 01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:01,200 Oh, straight up. I mean, like, I could think of If you want to do 1614 01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:05,820 like me some people really like a true crime type investigative 1615 01:45:06,030 --> 01:45:09,420 journalist one with a mic. Yeah. You know, yeah. And that's fine. 1616 01:45:09,420 --> 01:45:12,030 And that's fine. But you know, the thing about that, though, 1617 01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:18,030 is, I really think that there is something special about a couple 1618 01:45:18,030 --> 01:45:23,700 of people talking about a topic and hashing it out even so even 1619 01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:28,470 those shows, even things like a true crime or an investigative 1620 01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:31,410 thing, you get to you can have one person leading the charge 1621 01:45:31,410 --> 01:45:33,720 and saying, Okay, I get it. Here's what I'm trying to say 1622 01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:39,330 you could I can imagine sitting down to do a podcast, you have 1623 01:45:39,330 --> 01:45:43,110 the script there, you have the thing that you want to say. But 1624 01:45:43,110 --> 01:45:45,600 then it's also collaborative. And so you're going through it, 1625 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,140 you can do that you can do that in one take. You can, you don't 1626 01:45:49,140 --> 01:45:53,160 have to edit the bejesus out of that right? No, 1627 01:45:53,190 --> 01:45:56,550 this is this is the travesty is people are so used to having 1628 01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:59,700 everything the processing every wouldn't you just want to hear 1629 01:45:59,700 --> 01:46:03,420 while you're speaking. What it's going to sound like on the other 1630 01:46:03,420 --> 01:46:10,800 end right away. I do. I do. I love that. Anyway, yeah. So I 1631 01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:16,680 backslash. I have no idea why I got on that rant. Other than I 1632 01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:22,860 truly, honestly prefer not hearing edited pieces. You know, 1633 01:46:22,860 --> 01:46:26,430 and it's not so much like, okay, when I went off on a tangent, 1634 01:46:26,430 --> 01:46:30,090 and he talked about ice bears for 10 minutes. Yeah, of course, 1635 01:46:30,090 --> 01:46:34,560 you can make an edit there. But editing out arms and eyes and 1636 01:46:34,830 --> 01:46:37,980 saying, Well, yeah, I mean, I heard entire pieces were not 1637 01:46:37,980 --> 01:46:41,490 edited linearly linearly. The way Neil did it, he brought 1638 01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:44,520 stuff forward and backward, like, Okay, you're doing a 1639 01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,060 puzzle like this. You built the story. But it wasn't the story, 1640 01:46:48,060 --> 01:46:49,110 as it was told. 1641 01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:56,220 That that comes out. We see that in like news media all the time 1642 01:46:56,220 --> 01:46:59,010 you chip. keep chopping this and moving it around over here. And 1643 01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:04,200 he's like, Well, now I'm not seeing that's that's almost like 1644 01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,010 a, like a deep fake. When you when you rearrange the pieces 1645 01:47:08,010 --> 01:47:11,820 like that. It's still the part it's the person, but it's not 1646 01:47:11,820 --> 01:47:15,270 actually what they said. Because sometimes, like if you have an 1647 01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:17,610 interview, and you go through, let's just say you go through 1648 01:47:17,610 --> 01:47:22,740 seven topics in an in a in 30 minutes. Well, if you take a 1649 01:47:22,740 --> 01:47:27,810 response from topic six, in move it in front of topic two, or 1650 01:47:27,810 --> 01:47:30,960 topic two, and the thing that I discussed there may have 1651 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,410 influenced what I thought about topic six. So now you're you've 1652 01:47:34,410 --> 01:47:37,620 got it at an order. And it doesn't make any sense. And I 1653 01:47:37,620 --> 01:47:40,440 may end if we had done it out of order I may have I may have 1654 01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:43,440 responded a different way. Like yeah, 1655 01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:49,890 yes. And then just as the final point on this. So we have 1656 01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:56,070 podcast creators, chopping up people and removing ohms and 1657 01:47:56,070 --> 01:48:00,690 ahhs so that podcast listeners can then subsequently play it at 1658 01:48:00,690 --> 01:48:05,850 5x speed with volume boost and everything. We're gonna run into 1659 01:48:05,850 --> 01:48:09,210 problems one day is going to be too much crap on both sides of 1660 01:48:09,210 --> 01:48:13,290 the equation. The gap Zapper, I'm telling you the gap zapper 1661 01:48:14,190 --> 01:48:20,730 is I don't dirty to me, it's just like it's a radio hangover. 1662 01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:23,550 It's like yeah, keep it tight. Yeah. What do you gotta do? You 1663 01:48:23,550 --> 01:48:27,090 gotta hit the top of the hour. You gotta hit the news. No, no. 1664 01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:35,940 Till you try this, if your guest is getting boring. Instead of 1665 01:48:35,970 --> 01:48:39,390 editing out the boring parts, say, excuse me, that's kind of 1666 01:48:39,390 --> 01:48:41,460 boring. Let's continue with this. 1667 01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:46,920 Which is exactly what you do to me. You're like, Nah, I'm bored. 1668 01:48:46,980 --> 01:48:47,550 Let's do some 1669 01:48:48,060 --> 01:48:51,090 downtime. I do it more subtle than that. I hope 1670 01:48:52,050 --> 01:48:53,550 you've done that a couple of times. But 1671 01:48:53,940 --> 01:48:58,830 it's also the it's also the art of making programming your and I 1672 01:48:58,830 --> 01:49:01,170 also I'm reading the vibe of the chat room. 1673 01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,500 Yeah, you're saying you're saying is boring. And that makes 1674 01:49:04,500 --> 01:49:07,110 everybody laugh and that leads right into something that's not 1675 01:49:07,110 --> 01:49:10,950 boring. Now you know all my secrets. Well, that's your 1676 01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:13,680 only secret. Only when you hit the only one I have 1677 01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,210 right there. That's all I got 1678 01:49:16,890 --> 01:49:23,490 to happen. Where does that come out? What what come out? No, 1679 01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,390 your bombshell did bombshell. That was me. Oh, that was good. 1680 01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:33,060 I was like, Did I hit a button or something? Three that was a 1681 01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:36,990 good one. Very, very good. Didn't have the bush. So thanks 1682 01:49:36,990 --> 01:49:39,210 again everybody for for supporting the show and 1683 01:49:39,210 --> 01:49:44,310 supporting the 2.0 project. The hands down the best, best group 1684 01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:48,030 of people I've ever worked with in my life. So exciting every 1685 01:49:48,030 --> 01:49:51,300 single day just to you know when there's not a lot of posts on 1686 01:49:51,300 --> 01:49:55,800 like a Wednesday, on on the social. Online I'm always 1687 01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:58,470 bummed. I'm like, where's everybody? No one's out here 1688 01:49:58,470 --> 01:50:01,020 today and no one wants to play In the sandbox, 1689 01:50:03,389 --> 01:50:08,939 we've got to go over remote remote items. So next week is 1690 01:50:08,939 --> 01:50:12,719 remote item Awareness Week. Okay, on the show 1691 01:50:12,749 --> 01:50:16,979 now remote item is where you can include something in an item 1692 01:50:17,009 --> 01:50:20,789 from a remote feed. Is that correct? 1693 01:50:21,509 --> 01:50:25,859 Yes. And this goes into a larger discussion of the podcast Gu ID 1694 01:50:25,859 --> 01:50:30,719 tag, which applies to many things. I think it's a next next 1695 01:50:30,929 --> 01:50:33,599 next week for sure. Because I have a whole thing written out 1696 01:50:33,599 --> 01:50:36,569 here that we didn't even get to about the good. So next week, we 1697 01:50:36,569 --> 01:50:39,419 need to do podcasts in bulk, by the way, but we're not having 1698 01:50:39,419 --> 01:50:42,089 any guests lately. For a few weeks. We just need to cleanse 1699 01:50:42,089 --> 01:50:45,539 the palate because we're really not a guest show. I mean, we do 1700 01:50:45,539 --> 01:50:50,459 it because we need too many people to today have their 1701 01:50:50,459 --> 01:50:51,359 products out. Just 1702 01:50:51,419 --> 01:50:54,839 just say, Hey, man, look, I'm really busy. You know, this 1703 01:50:54,839 --> 01:50:58,019 podcast is a pain in the ass. I gotta fix the API. We've got no 1704 01:50:58,019 --> 01:51:00,329 time for guests. Okay, we got no time. 1705 01:51:00,690 --> 01:51:02,400 For guests. Yes, it is boring. 1706 01:51:03,450 --> 01:51:06,060 If I ever really said that was boring to you. They ever said 1707 01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:06,240 that 1708 01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,780 we use the Show said that. You said that on the show once did 1709 01:51:09,780 --> 01:51:12,420 you take offense to it? No. Okay. 1710 01:51:12,630 --> 01:51:14,550 No. Did you think that? Hey, maybe he's right. I'm just 1711 01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:20,220 boring. Yes, yeah, that's when DeVore Act does that shit to me. 1712 01:51:20,670 --> 01:51:23,850 Because he does it all the time. I'll come I'll roll out his 1713 01:51:23,850 --> 01:51:28,050 whole spectacular sequence of clips. And he's like, yeah, it 1714 01:51:28,050 --> 01:51:29,640 was a little long was a little 1715 01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:30,330 boring. 1716 01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:35,550 Ya know, sometimes when I go on and on about some kind of 1717 01:51:35,550 --> 01:51:39,600 intricacies of some, like, you know, I don't know, protocol or 1718 01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:44,070 something like that. I bore myself. And you're like, This is 1719 01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:46,560 boring. I'm like, Yeah, you know, it kind of is Thanks. 1720 01:51:46,590 --> 01:51:49,590 Let's see where I need help. So I'll help you with the boring 1721 01:51:49,590 --> 01:51:52,830 where I need help. Okay, there's that I get off. I start on a 1722 01:51:52,830 --> 01:51:58,470 topic. And then I go off into Swaziland, and I don't remember 1723 01:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,770 what the original topic was. And then I'm swimming. And now I'm 1724 01:52:01,770 --> 01:52:04,170 just spouting anecdotes. And I'm like, Well, let me tell you 1725 01:52:04,170 --> 01:52:06,750 about the time I interviewed Whitesnake, you get it when you 1726 01:52:06,750 --> 01:52:10,140 gotta bring me back. This is where I go really wrong. And I 1727 01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:12,270 also interrupt way too much. I've very bad 1728 01:52:12,269 --> 01:52:15,449 throw you throw Yutani contain and in the life preserver and 1729 01:52:15,449 --> 01:52:16,709 we've been really back in 1730 01:52:16,770 --> 01:52:18,900 now. That'd be funny if she wasn't dead. Dave. 1731 01:52:20,340 --> 01:52:22,710 She goes, she was dead. Yeah, sorry. That was passed. Sorry. 1732 01:52:22,710 --> 01:52:23,430 That was creepy. 1733 01:52:23,460 --> 01:52:27,690 No, it's it was alcohol. Unfortunately, that did redo. 1734 01:52:27,900 --> 01:52:32,310 Yeah. It was weird. It was one time. Funny story. Maybe you 1735 01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:35,040 remember that show Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew? 1736 01:52:36,270 --> 01:52:37,560 Vaguely. So you 1737 01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:38,880 know who Dr. Drew is right. 1738 01:52:39,420 --> 01:52:42,900 Yeah, the famous highly qualified doctor. 1739 01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:47,310 So we had a reality show, which was his because he has a clinic, 1740 01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:51,750 a detox clinic. And so the people come in and the reality 1741 01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:55,620 show around it. And it was always it was celebrity detox. 1742 01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:59,580 And on one show, there were three people on one show that I 1743 01:52:59,580 --> 01:53:06,120 knew was free. It was like Danny Bonaduce, it was Steven Adler 1744 01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:11,820 from Guns and Roses. And it was and it was tiny. 1745 01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,410 But it's not I mean, it's probably not the music industry 1746 01:53:16,410 --> 01:53:19,020 is probably more aptly named the music and rehabilitation 1747 01:53:19,020 --> 01:53:19,710 industry right. 1748 01:53:19,740 --> 01:53:22,560 I can't wait for the first podcasters to be strung out on 1749 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:27,000 smack you know, just wait wait to successful driving around in 1750 01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,670 the in the in the in the in the Bentley. 1751 01:53:31,050 --> 01:53:38,430 We need to we need to send out good karma and love to CVV Yeah, 1752 01:53:38,460 --> 01:53:41,400 yeah. Hope he's feeling Yes. Part of my greatest hits album 1753 01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:45,870 is what a guest Chapter Three of the greatest hits album this 1754 01:53:45,870 --> 01:53:50,430 gastroenterological humor. And like when one time I was having 1755 01:53:50,430 --> 01:53:53,460 like a headless in in a stool sample to the 1756 01:53:53,460 --> 01:53:57,720 gastroenterologist, and it took like, it took like, days and 1757 01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,780 days for him to get back. And I was like, You know what? I was 1758 01:54:00,780 --> 01:54:03,060 getting kind of worried. Of course, yeah, maybe this means 1759 01:54:03,060 --> 01:54:06,660 sometimes I call. I called him up and she in the lady was like, 1760 01:54:08,100 --> 01:54:11,370 Well, you know, we still don't have the results. You know, I'll 1761 01:54:11,370 --> 01:54:14,280 call him and I said, you don't really need you guys to speed 1762 01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:22,170 this shit up. Which I thought was genius. I tend to get upset. 1763 01:54:24,090 --> 01:54:28,110 Joke. She didn't get the joke. I'm like, oh my Hey. I'll be 1764 01:54:28,110 --> 01:54:28,650 here all week. 1765 01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:32,160 Oh, all right, brother. Have yourself a great weekend. And 1766 01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:35,460 what are we doing guaranteed next week? 1767 01:54:36,810 --> 01:54:40,770 We're guarantee we're doing it Awareness Week. 1768 01:54:42,750 --> 01:54:47,280 All right, everybody. If you're in the chat room, streaming and 1769 01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,190 boosting us live, we appreciate it. We'll be back next Friday 1770 01:54:50,190 --> 01:54:52,980 for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0 1771 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:12,630 If you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1772 01:55:12,630 --> 01:55:16,080 index.org For more information, boost boost 1773 01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:19,920 boost boost