Hey may voices two fans, Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's
Thursday, November 23 2017. This is your award winning game
nation media assassination episode nine or eight.
This is no agenda,
appropriating the native culture of core and broadcasting live
from downtown Austin capital and Star State and the co do in the
morning everybody. I'm Adam curry in from
Northern Silicon Valley where it's a beautiful Thanksgiving
day the sun is shining. The turkeys are roaming around the
neighborhood is unbelievable. I'm John C. Dvorak. Raglan
Buzzkill.
Those Berkley turkeys,
there's turkeys all over the place. Happy Thanksgiving,
everybody.
We should be shooting them. They won't let us can't shoot the
turkeys. Happy Thanksgiving, John. Happy Thanksgiving to you.
And Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there. So this and
yes, we should reveal that this is a pre recorded show. She
actually realized when I said broadcasting live like or or
live to tape. I'm live
I'm a living. I'm a live guy.
So because we've taken Thanksgiving and the day after
off, because nobody, nobody listens to the show on
Thanksgiving. Although if they do they're gonna get a good show
anyway. Yes. And they're just not going to get a live show.
Man what
they will get as is almost customary on the no agenda show
is an explanation of the true story of Thanksgiving.
I wasn't planning on it.
Oh, you always do the story. It's like the night before
Christmas book. How can we have a show on Thanksgiving without
you telling us the true nature of thanksgiving?
Well, I'll do the short version. Okay, Ray Yeah, it's bullshit.
Oh man so all the corn and and the stuffing and the turkey and
they never really happened that way.
No, there was a couple of holidays. This is very carefully
outlined on my blog. You can look up Thanksgiving, truce
badgers thanksgiving on the blog. And there's all the
storage of those two posts that discuss this. And Thanksgiving
was a you know, there was a harvest festival. There's
different things that took place in the 16 and 1700s. But
Thanksgiving really became kind of an official thing during the
Civil War. And it was Thanksgiving for you know, the
Thank you, you know, kind of celebrating the dead soldiers
more than anything. And if we give thanksgiving for being
alive, more or less, Lincoln initiated it then it became a
national holiday over time. But it all really stemmed from this
these Thanksgivings that were proclaimed every so often in
America throughout American history. And until one Lincoln
did the same. So what seems to be the one that stuck? And so
they worked it out. And it'd be then they re engineered it over
time to make it seem as if it was something where the Indians
and the and the Puritans, whoever they were the people
that were living around the 1700s in the United States,
we're having these yearly dinners together as if it were
just like, you know,
yeah, kind of like on the Upper East Side, Manhattan or coffee
this morning. So wait a minute, if our Thanksgivings bullcrap is
the Canadian Thanksgiving also bullcrap.
Course it is. All just a different date. Theirs is
the first. So they made bull crap out of bull crap. That's
even worse.
We didn't even celebrate the Canadian Thanksgiving on the
show. Which I think we missed it.
Is it before ours? How can that? How can that be? I
don't get it. When the first we're number one
everything.
They had to pull the rug out from under us. So they did
earlier. Okay. All right.
So this show Yes, this is this is a special show
we're naming is show x because it's going to replace all the
200 episodes. 200.1 or 2.5? Yeah, 2.6 2.7 20.8. This would
have been 2.9, I
believe. Yeah. But our, our onion was kind of rotten. We did
have a producer say You know, I've only just started the show
like around 500. And this onion approach you have toward the
show. 200 is not working for me. And I started thinking about it.
It's kind of lame. So we're just doing one from scratch. I do
have some clips from the earlier shows. Oh, very good. Very good.
So Jay help, because there's about two or three things that
are better explained.
And what is the what is the point of this show for people
who are new who have not listened to the 200 this series?
Yes, the point is that and the point is, you know, we only need
an introductory show. So why does this show exists? What are
we doing with the show? How did you get started? How did you get
to here? Right? And I think this show should answer all those
questions plus answering the Thanksgiving question.
All right. So do we want to just start with how we got to how the
show started. A lot of people don't
know I do have a couple of things here that it kind of will
ease As into this well, let
me first let me set the stage a little bit. Where it was end of
2007 I was living in Guilford, in the Gitmo nation GMT, which
is south of London. And I was traveling back and forth between
London and San Francisco for it was suppose it was probably
still pod show at the time.
I believe it was initially Yes.
And so I'd be in
it became me via shortly after I got there. Okay.
So I would be in San Francisco for about two weeks at a time it
was really it was actually pretty rough. Going back and
forth two weeks away from home and then you know, then back for
two, three weeks and then back again. It was although I did get
a lot of cool gifts from Sir Richard Branson. I got the
bathrobe. I got everything. And you know, and after I stopped
traveling that much, it was about two months and then you
are now at plastic level. You get nothing. You slave. Well, I
was like the top I was in the top level of Virgin Atlantic of
the loyalty program.
No, of course I was flying. It'd be getting it. They'd be giving
you foot massage every time he came near
pretty much but then once I stopped that that went away real
girl ice.
Yeah,
that stop real quick. Yeah.
What good are you in? Are you to me now?
Okay, exactly. So how did we meet? I did. When can we meet on
a on a podcast where we are. I was on the Skype. Maybe I don't
remember he actually
had talked about this. Well enough that I clipped it from
the show The Early Show. So we can just listen to the How did
you meet? And this is an enhanced version from 2010.
Curry have a unique relationship. How did you guys
meet? So did you hit it off right away?
I'll tell you something I found in my crap that arrived from
from the UK, I found a videotape of the CNET pilots, where we
actually first met for the very first time although
that was in 1993 or four maybe
think was three? Yeah. And I and I'm gonna get one of those VHS
to DVR things to transcode all this stuff. But this was when
CNET did not have a website. In fact, I registered cnet.com and
said to Halsey minor Hey, dude, you know, I'll do your email, if
you want, you know, you might want to have a web thing that I
think that would be more appropriate for what you're
doing here. But all right, and you were doing kind of a
McLaughlin Group Type roundtable as the pilot for that show. Wow,
the sound quality is outrageous.
Oh, they got better ones than that. Oh, my
goodness, no, I have to say that. Of course. I know how
stuff should sound. But the idea was my idea behind podcasting
was not only that, we have our own little transmitter, which is
basically your podcast feed and your mp3 file. But also you
should be able to do it on your laptop, you should be able to do
it on reasonably, you know, medium to higher end prosumer
equipment that should be possible. And I was always out
to prove it. And this was not a good a good example of it. It
sounds like I have an echo even
I have a better example this is when the period could you kept
killing me over the probably over the years. You were
complaining to me that you were baked? Oh, yeah. Well, England
by what? And I always and I might comment back to you most
recently was well you didn't sound it you know, even though
you may or may not have been stoned it didn't sound like it.
That's my recollection. And you'd never did sound it but
your attitude has changed. I didn't realize it Oh, for
example, and you just bitched about the sound which leads me
to a different clip. This is a clip when Obama got elected that
night. This is a clip of the show the beginning of the show.
And this This is the clip 11 Five 2007 Obama just got elected
we started started doing the show this is something you would
not do today you would not allow
and you feel this is appropriate to rebroadcast.
It's read only because it's funny. It is
November 5 all across Gitmo nation it is quite a special
episode of no agenda. Mainly because it's early morning here
for me today and late night for John exactly the opposite of how
the show is usually done. Which means it's time for no agenda
coming to you from a very exhilarated and excited morning
here in the United Kingdom. Get mo nation east. I'm Adam curry.
I'm John C. Dvorak and I, for one, welcome our new Obama
overlord Hold
on a sec. What is going on there?
What happened Bobby didn't remember but this this was one
of those. We used to have these moments and I forgot about him.
Were they always
Skype Skype? Yeah, I remember it speeding up a lot. I don't
remember a lot of a lot of slowing down. Oh, that's pretty
outrageous
is too horrible and but here it is. This is when this is back in
the day. And your attitude about this is not what it is anymore
is one of the things we thematically will talk about
today, which is that of the show naturally evolved. And I would
listen to a lot of old shows put this together, and I realized
that this show wasn't any good until show 100 For one, welcome
our new Obama overlord.
Do you have a voice processor on your on your setup? John, what's
going on? Why were you getting breaking up with us when you
said, it sounds like it's on you have like a Darth Vader? Darth
Vader voice?
Oh, yes. Well, it's midnight, you know. So I
know, this is not your normal voice. This is messed up. I kind
of like it, though. Do this do this. Obama. You're my
President.
Obama, you are my president.
This is great. We'll leave this throughout the whole show. I
don't know what it is. But it's, it sounds wacky. Hey, John,
congratulations. We have a new president.
Well, you know, the funny thing is their protest. You didn't get
to watch all this because you were sleeping. But they were
protesting. I mean, there was a big gathering outside of the
White House. Code. And yeah. And they were singing like, you know
that song? Hey, goodbye. Got it. Yeah, okay. And there were also
signs saying, you know, evict Bush now?
Well, he pretty much got his notice deadening isn't it? Like,
this means he's out?
Well, the thing is, you know, a lot of people were saying, you
know, like, last couple of days, and there's some rumors going
around that Bush was gonna declare martial law, and he's
gonna do this and was gonna do that I was ever I was cracking
up every time I heard one of those, those those concepts,
because the way I'm seeing it, and the information that we're
already hearing about, Bush wants to get out of there
tomorrow. These days. It's actually a feature where we want
to sound like this. So that would be something that shows
how the quality of the sound has improved over the years because
you didn't care.
Well, let it go. There was nothing we could do back in the
day. Yeah.
Well, we could have reconnected, we could have tried something,
you know, we always tried to reconnect. If that sounds like
crap, that's true. Well, you there was no attempt to
reconnect. There is no attempt to do anything. It was just like
that the whole show, if I
recall, if I recall correctly, blowout. Now this is this is a
minor point. I remember that I was in Guilford, and it took
like six months to get an internet connection. Which I
think was maybe
well, when you you moved from gilfer you left Guilford you
went to Amsterdam now but
before before that, I was actually using
it well in Amsterdam, you talked about this problem and then you
because I brought up the apparently virgin net or
something had some deal they're trying to do
Yeah, but what I recall ultimately doing is I had was an
H SP di whatever dongle, which was kind of the EU before Before
3g, even. I think well, maybe that was 3g in the UK. And I had
to position it in a certain spot. So we get the right
connection. And the whole show ran on that. Which these days.
You know, it's like an emergency situation. If we doing some from
a hotel room that works pretty well. Technology has been our
friend over the years. There's no doubt about that. It has
helped extremely to be able to just to do the show.
Yes, I agree. And so anyways, but that had changed. That's
changed a lot. In fact, it turns out we talked about this a
little bit on show 200 aware that's when I believe you got
all your you got geared up. I don't know if you have that
fancy device that you that you have now. But you are you got a
whole bunch of new gear at show 200
Do you have a clip of that because I have no idea what I
had,
because it was just like, hey, we got a bunch of new gear. I do
have to I do have the opening of show 200 somewhere I don't know
why it's a douche opener. Right.
Okay, do so open. Let's see. Maybe I can tell you what gear
it was just from listening to the sound they opened
fire first public safety. It's friggin dear
Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's May
16 2010. Time here Gitmo nation media assassination episode
200. This is no agenda, celebrating
200 episodes of mediocrity and coming to you from the hilltop
Watchtower crockpot command center and liberal nation West
in the People's Republic of Southern California eight in the
morning to you all I'm Adam curry.
I think not regarding mediocrity. This is number 200
from Northern Silicon Valley and John Cena.
Greg Levin Buzzkill.
I just wanted to see if I could throw Are
you off guard? But you can always throw me off guard
in the morning to get my friend in the morning to everybody
listening. Yes. And congratulations, John,
because you have new gear.
Well, yeah, no congratulations on 200 episodes.
Yes, I think it's pretty amazing.
I think it's, it's a feat. Now, again with the echo well, is
that something from the clips? Or was that exactly how you came
off
the show? But it sounded like
I remember I remember this period, because I was in Los
Angeles. And I think this is when I started using everything
on the laptop. I liked the setup a lot, because it had onboard
processing. But there was a slight delay in my headphones
when I was speaking.
Right? You did that was clear recently. For years? I did. Yes.
That would drive me nuts.
It was not easy. But you get used to it after a while though.
And then when you when you take the headphones off, and you can
think you sound like a moron. My voice is too fast.
And well, one of the things we did in the original show 200.
And we'll get I think back on this track, which is we took
questions and we answered a bunch of questions. Yeah, that's
where we got the, you know, where do two guys meet? And when
you start the show, and then we had discussed in as much detail,
it was a I would say that the 200 shows having really listened
to them. They're terrible. And scratch? Yeah. A new kind of
terrible. Yeah, well, at least it'll sound good. Yeah, well,
yeah. Everything sounds good now.
So the sound I will say, whenever that happened, I think
it was I guess it was in Texas. Yeah. Must have been in Texas
when I got the Universal Audio Device. And that would that
really changed everything that changed my world. It changed
your attitude. Yeah. Now I want to be perfect every time. Sure.
Yeah, it
would change your attitude. You have a you're more of a
perfectionist. But let's listen to this. Because this time we
didn't put on the original show to on it. Let's listen to the
one of the things I've noticed about the early shows. That is
there's latency to the best to an extreme. I don't know why
anybody listened to the show. But let's listen to the opening
of the first show. Oh, okay. Hold on.
Opening your first show. Do we have a date on this? Or do I
guess I mentioned it in the opening or
not? That was the nine or 826 2007?
Seven? Yeah. Welcome, everybody to a brand new program on the
pod show network. Which could be titled A number of things. We
chose no agenda. But it couldn't be the show with no imaging. No.
No. No content yet. The only thing that is is two guys with
an idea of putting together a what we call a John A agenda
list show agenda show. Exactly. John C. Dvorak in California,
Adam curry here in London, something we cooked up? Was it
like a four minute phone call? Hey, we should do a show
together. Okay. Let's call it no agenda. Okay. And here we are,
of course, the basis for a show like this. And I think everybody
out there who's ever had a clinical who has kinds of
conversations with friends. They occasionally especially when the
conversations go on and on stage, you know, that would have
been an interesting thing for other people to listen to. True.
True. And I think basically, and I've, in fact, doing a show with
my wife, because sometimes she doesn't News Analysis over the
phone. Sometimes it's pretty, pretty astonishing.
But have you ever had the shows I do with Patricia with my wife?
Yeah, same kind of thing. It's great. Right. And we have a
conversation. Yeah.
Right. And I think, you know, to some extent, Don, and drew and
so almost everybody who, you know, like to chat, you know,
pretty much provides this kind of entertainment.
Wow, this is before I figured out the wonderment of the noise
gate.
Well, there's that. And I also lied, because I never really
heard your show. And you caught me
Oh, no, I knew that. I almost wanted to stop the clip and say
just so full of crap. That was
full of crap. But that's not it. You know, when you're doing this
sort of thing, you have to be full of crap to keep it moving
to keep it moving along, baby. And so the show was the OB GYN
as a lark.
Well, the idea was just a conversation. Okay.
And we should of course, it turns out that that's not what
we do best. What we do best is clips and data analysis and
stuff like that the conversation is, yeah, it's kind of
interesting. We have some letters. I'm just going to start
reading some of these questions in a minute. And a lot of it is
like you're going to talk about restaurants review restaurants
again, and all the stuff we used to do but in this in this first
show that I want to get this out of the way. This clip is called
the first discussion of show length, which by the way, will
amuse anyone who listened to the seven and a half hour show in
our no agenda.
No agenda. Yeah, three four topics sounds about about right.
Maybe if we do it once a week, you might
think Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I don't think we can
Uh, I don't think we can sustain this length because sometimes I
mean, the, the interview you had with Dr. Ron was worth
discussing for a while.
Yeah, true. Okay. So we'll see. But this I would say, I agree
this is maybe a little bit on the long side, but just under 40
minutes. What's the max?
Yeah, I agree.
40 minutes. Wow, that's just that's just a clip off at the
end of our show these days. What do you got? Man, I got 40
minutes of clips leftover. But again, I have to say, a lot of
this is down to technology. And just bandwidth alone to be able
to, I remember clipping stuff from, from the from the webs. It
took forever. You click you wait, I mean, it took hours
longer than it does today. Then even though you know, now I have
a whole system.
We didn't do. We didn't do long, many clips. I remember the first
nothing shows four clips from me, you know, three from you,
for from you three. For me, it wasn't a lot. I do remember when
I got one of my clips that I do have this clip, which is this is
the first mention of a clip. And the style in which we execute
the glimpse
I received in my email this morning. Several sound clips
which John has apparently he's got some form of an agenda
today. And has prepared something and the note said for
the show. Please don't listen. So I did not. Oh, yeah. And that
really started? Well, we have a theory, which is based on
broadcast experience, that if you rehearse something, or if
you set something up, or if you agree, okay, we're going to talk
about this or we're going to, you know it worse, here's your
punch line. It always sucks. It sucks every on mainstream. I
mean, you see it and talk shows, you know, the way the guest is
flummoxed. And then the host says, well, Wasn't there
something about your dog that you want to talk about? You
know, they have to coax the idiots along. And we found that?
Well, I think we, throughout the years, we continuously tried to
set up something and we try a bit from from time to time,
pretty much
like bits that work a deal. So we add live from scratch. Yes,
exactly. And all media would be so much better. If it was, well,
you can't tell us a little more difficult, but it would just be
so much more better. And, and really, from a production
standpoint, once I got this piece of software called Audio
rack suite, which is an open source piece of gear that a
couple of radio guys put together years ago, and they've
now they kind of stopped developing it because it was
done with nothing left to do. So hopefully, if a new Mac OS comes
out, and we're all forced to upgrade, I can use it. But
what's great about it is it's just drag from a file from a
finder, you just drag in these clips and you know, through
through MIDI, it opens up a fader I it's very, it's much
easier for me to just immediately click and go you say
something I look at the misspellings on your clip list.
I figured out what you're talking about a dragon and click
Go. And that's how it goes. I have no idea what these clips
are today, even though it's really technology that has
helped. I will I have to say that.
Well, you're also outrageously talented at work in a system
that you designed for yourself. You know, it's
interesting, because I've been looking I've been talking about
transitioning to Windows and I've been looking for a similar
system. And, you know, disc jockeys today. They don't do
crap, they don't do any work anymore. They don't have to
select anything and put it into a into a player or you know,
like, Well, gee, back in the day, we had the songs on a cart.
And yeah, big magnetic carton goes in and you start the cart.
Yeah, these days, they got a playlist that they're pretty
much tracking ahead of time they record their voice bit they
schedule it in they go sit on a groupie for a while. And it's
very hard to get old school technology for making radio is
way I still see what we're doing.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's the end of an era.
It truly is. It truly is.
So we had the we played the original opening I had the
opening up first show I had. Here's the God let's go into the
when when I think the show really got good is when we gave
up on our idealism of no jingles. No nothing.
Was it really idealism or?
I think well, okay, you're right. It was a format. We
I think we were trying to figure out the format and we started
with a widget Oh, we'll just talk and we'll have a little
conversation. And then you know, I think both of us felt like I
was missing a lot. But you have apparently some moment in time
when we first started doing this or what
have you. I have a number of clips that kind of relate to
that. But first I want to get to the what triggered are deciding
to do a mockery of radio itself and which is the weenie and the
buck clips Yeah. And so I have on my took this from show 200 I
took these three clips out of out of that show and so we hear
him again this explanation you can start with I got three is
origins clip weenie in the but in context
reopened we would open the show the show that has no jingles no
sound effects no agenda, and you handed me a copy of the Family
Guy with the episode weenie and the but and that really got the
because again, we're both radio freaks. And we figured this
would just be funny to do and it kind of stuck and I think that
it'll be fun. That's also where in the morning came from, by the
way. And it's such a take off on the morning zoo format and which
we both I would say love and hate at the same time. Low Of
course now it's just old fashion. But when you listen to
this, you can understand why radio guys get off on weenie in
the butt. Two minutes this Oh, that's the Hulu the Hulu preroll
what's your favorite anytime for free Hulu, everybody it's really
in the bud here live at the go hog Air Show.
We're all ready for the weenies sound alike contest. I don't
know but I don't think they can say my catchphrase because they
know funny.
Oh, there it is. And if you think you can say that just like
weenie here. You could win 97.1 dollars for the cool weekend
ahead. And welcome back.
Excuse me. I gotta find a lost kid. Can I use your mic? That's
what she said.
Whoa, you
got butt slam? Listen, I could really use a hand here. That's
what he said. That's magic monkey on 97.1. Weekends in the
morning, all weekend long. Radio. Give me Stewie Griffin,
will you please report to the radio booth. Stewie
Griffin. Hey, that's quite a voice you've got there. You ever
think about doing radio? Well, I listened to a lot of radio.
Peter and Lois leave the radio on when they go out. So I feel
like somebody's home. Well, here's my card. Call me if
you're interested. Hey, okay, we've got our first contestant.
Let's see your weenies catchphrase, Dan. No, fine. I
think we have a wiener.
And that's Dickey the punch line doggy on 97.1?
Warning on 97.1?
Sadly, I've done many programs for real like that.
Yes. In fact, on the original show, you went on and actually
did a number of them. Maybe, maybe in the second clip, let's
play the second clip. Okay, so we kind of decided we didn't
decide it just happened most of the show, by the way. For people
were asking all these questions. It's really an evolution. Yeah.
We don't have meetings, we don't
know. We, we, in fact, that's if there's a rule. We generally
agree not to talk about what we're going to talk about.
Because we know that what'll happen is we'll start talking
about it. And then we bring it up on the show and then it
always suck. There's like it's like it's been rehearsed,
there's no tension there. Of course,
you ran into Jeff Smith. And so we ended up getting a bunch of
these jingles and things which some people complain about, but
it paces the show. Well, it is a mockery of the of the other
model. And it but it adds kind of a nice kind of know what it
is the atmosphere is improved by it. The in the morning thing is
used as a as a rim shot, generally, or it should be and
it is often. So I say something funny, which is very common on
the show. And then he hits the board,
or if you go off on a tangent.
So we have a bunch of these things which we use. And now we
had a couple of questions.
That's an old radio trick for a segue. It's really it helps them
transition the listeners brain from one segment to the next. It
jars you for a moment there.
And if you listen to our last show, show 200 Adam was going
off the deep end on some topic and he kept it was way as he's
two three minutes overdue to stop it. And I told him to play
the Adam Curry's pet peeve of the day. A jingle which I knew
would transition they would do it you know stop him in his
tracks
that's right it also stops me You're right yeah it works
perfectly that way.
So the show here's the from one of our listeners the show you do
today is very different from the show when you first started eg
personal anecdotes are gone no they're not. Audio clips and
jingles are now prevalent originally less than an hour
week is now four hours a week and listeners are now asked to
contribute cash is the show where you want it to be or
you're planning more changes we did show just evolved so we
don't plan anything well, although we do things
individually that may or may not stick
I'm I'm on board with the evolution we there's nothing is
absolutely nothing is planned. I have my own things. John has his
things. Sometimes we might send each other a link from time to
time and even then usually the link doesn't get discussed
because we saw well whatever you know is over. But we have a
couple of common interests of things that are funny that we
think are funny usually they have to do with mainstream
media. I didn't realize we had the in the morning jingles that
quickly already. I guess that was yeah, the the Jeff Smith
sir, sort of Sir Jeff Smith did that well, actually,
I tried to find out where this stuff was first coming from. So
I did a little research. And we play the let's play the third
clip of this particular origins clip but I then I want to I'll
give you some Genesis stuff that's kind of interesting. I
think
that's that's the most fun is when we when we rag on
mainstream media and pull it apart and simultaneously open
people's eyes as to what's really going on in on
television.
You know, that may have been triggered by the weenie in the
bud episode. Probably, though the family got because once we
start once we can start mocking that model, we started looking
at the media bitching about it generally, on a higher plane I
believe than the people at Fox have ever thought of. And we
started we realized that it was actually interested we were
entertaining ourselves and we knew it was very valuable
information and we had the time. It's not like anyone can't do
this. But most people work for a living. If you're gonna have a
job at Goldman Sachs, and you're there till, you know, seven at
night and you have to get in early, whatever. And then you
have to drink all day, which seems to be what the job is
about drippers you don't want strippers, you don't have time
to go and start digging around these stories to find the one
you know the missing element or the the kind of the crazy
connection, but you just haven't got time to do it. And then you
know, the fact that the mainstream media doesn't do it
and they don't is just makes you wonder.
I have February 8 2009 The in the first in the morning clip.
So that sounds that sounds about right. And that's by the way,
one of the reasons I'm glad we're doing the show from
scratch is because I listened to the original shows 200 points to
one point x and there was a lot of us just ad libbing you know
like I don't know when we did that. I but I think after about
a year we did. We did. We got some real numbers now then
you're right. It was 2008 and I mean 2009 And that's only really
three months into the show. I have a couple here's a good
example of what we're talking about. No, that's
more than three months is 2009 Maybe this is a copy then
Oh no, that's right. No it was today was over a year. What am I
thinking?
Yeah 2000 I mean, just let me just play the ones that he sent
us at that time we still use them
yeah, what I was thinking is only about three or four months
after we started taking donations. Right different began
different origin periods. We started taking donations in late
2008. And he had been everybody bite the show. 68 Here's what
the show opening in February 1 2008, or 2009 show 68 Here's
what the opening used to sound like.
It's time once again for the weekly Adventures of crackpot
and Buzzkill. I live from Gitmo nation, west and southwest.
Wait, I'm an east from southwest London. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak here in Silicon Valley north. John C.
Dvorak. Yes,
yes, you did. And that is Gitmo nation West. I'm in Gitmo nation
East fresh back and Gitmo nation east where things are falling
apart. And the Brits have finally started to grab for the
pitchforks and torches.
There were riots in in Geneva
the planning is that Geneva but yesterday the British also not
riots but the they're calling Gordon Brown on his bullshit the
the workers at what is it total and a few other outfits and we
had a wild wildcat strike. Yes, that's what I sound like when
I'm baked. For sure.
Yeah, it could be you probably were baked but it was like the
leg and all the rest of the shows were not good in my
opinion. Oh,
it's horrible.
Yeah, no it does. So I'm surprised thank you for staying
with us the few of you who have
Yeah, and people go back and listen from episode one and
continue to listen and all the way up to today's shows like
wow, it's doable. When do you want to do some some questions
want to do those after we go through the agenda when
he gets the questions? Good. So we get some of this stuff we'll
build on Alisha have a fantastic ISO. Got it? Oh,
yeah. Okay, um, fast but not that fast. Amy. I love that.
Fantastic. I love that fantastic. What was that about?
She was just baked, baked. Okay, now here's the to do February
5 2009. Genesis of the in the morning. This is and this is
this is the first time we did two shows a week. This is the
first is the opening from the first Thursday show. Just like
Doublemint gum. We're now twice as nice with the Premier Edition
of the weekday. No agenda. It's crackpot and buzzkill in the
morning, coming to you from Gitmo nation, Eastern southwest
London. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak here in Silicon Valley North also known
as gizmo nation, period.
Ah, what do you mean? I don't get my piece of gizmo anymore.
Here No you get to be Gitmo nation whatever Easton those
gizmo nation which should be China.
It's all one big gizmo nation man.
So I noticed that rush limbaugh now has a get mo a nation thing.
Oh, you're kidding me. He calls it Gitmo nation. Literally.
No, some mails but it's similar.
I'm so happy we got your YouTube sound better on this show.
Yes, I know. I sound like I'm in a bucket. Now. Here's
my horrible.
This is what 10 days later, when we started getting the the we
got all those clips in from Jeff Smith. But we it took really
about a month or two before they were organized to what they are
today. Here's an example of how he tried to use are you you were
the guy doing it? How you try to use them early. Wait, what are
we talking about here is I'm sorry, original opening to 1509.
Okay, well make sure you play the right one originating from
opposite corners of Gitmo nation. I screwed it up already.
agenda with Adam curry and John C. Dvorak.
Raglan Buzzkill.
Coming to you from Gitmo nation East in the southwest parts of
London in the curry terrace. I'm Adam curry. Oh, that was even a
pre production example of our opening. Yeah, something I think
was young Paulette, who put the whole thing together and I know
it's day Fox. I know that's the voice day Fox very famous. He's
you know, he's the voice of iHeartRadio. You got a great
voice we've just been you. Although it's the music that
ultimately we use for opening is I think it comes with apple with
what is their program logic? It's easy, because from time to
time people go hey, man, they stole your opening tune man.
Like, not really. It's like it's free.
Yeah, well. So you get we've kind of evolved and I think this
show really started to get better by show 100 And show 100.
Right, decided to listen to it again. And this is the show is
interesting because you were going to quit the show. Tested
beforehand. But you know, it wasn't easy to talk you out of
it. But then when I listened to show 100 I didn't realize two
things in the show. 100 was a major production with stuff I
don't even remember for the life of me it was
a long thing to was it for then for eight but then it
was for now it's like a so so I don't think you're going to
remember a lot of this stuff. But let's listen. Oh boy, for
people want to reminisce or never get to
just set the stage. I had left my first wife. I think I was in
Amsterdam with my second wife. And no, she wasn't my wife. We
were hanging out with it. Yeah, yeah, but it was. I wasn't that
wasn't a dark place. Yeah, maybe what the show was was pretty
different. Right? Farmery 99? No, but didn't.
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That was like that. Yeah, it is the morning where you are.
It's the morning that was like always in the morning on
a real long foreplay, and then almost premature ejaculation.
Well, at least you get the thing running an hour late. We're,
if we really suck so bad. Everybody How you doing is no
agenda episode number 100. Good to be with you. I'm very
excited. By What's your why interject? Yes, please.
We have a bunch of people that have written in saying there was
no episode 22 And this is not really episode 100. Yeah. And
you
know what? Amy Winehouse is really important. Just saying,
Yeah, did we not do what episode 22 What happened?
I don't know. But that doesn't make any difference. Because
since we had to one expurgated episode, this would still be
episode 100. No matter what. But it's still this will be a
controversial episode. 100
Oh, because of the of the count. It's always a count and
because of the show that we we put in the can and never reload
your right now. We didn't put it in the can. Oh, I did in the
trash can. And then I emptied the trash. It's gone. The bits
are gone. There's no whatever anywhere except for the second
half. You have the second half of episode. The last episode,
right,
right. Last episode. So we will call it 100. Seems like a good
idea. We had to be introduction.
Yeah, that was good. And we've got a new jingle by the way,
which was sent to us by our good buddy, the Jeff Smith. You want
to hear it? Sure. Go for it. It's really for later on in the
show. But that'll give me a chance to play it twice. So
listen to this.
Once again. To help support no agenda, my friends. Help Adam
and John keep the show going on. To drop a coin in the bucket
today. Hey DeVore act.org/in A you could even be knighted.
What'd you say?
Just with man you slay me. I love that. Fantastic. I wish I
had that one.
You know what happened to it? I
have no idea. That whole opening to I don't remember that. I
don't even remember who I mean. I heard with Schneider. But I
don't know who that is. It since you are you complimented me very
nicely do that all the time about the production but, man, I
gotta compliment you on putting up with me.
Yeah, yeah, there's
that sometimes it must be difficult.
But I will see Yeah. And the funny thing is about that show
and I listened to and I listened to it. I didn't remember that
opening. And I didn't remember I kind of almost remembered the
Jeff Smith jingle. Who would you use later in that show? And and
I don't think it's their identity disappeared. I have no
idea what and I would mention that FDA debt disappeared. We
haven't heard from Jeff again. Now I
hear from him. He's right. He's saving children and I Africa is
here. Yeah, it goes on mission South Africa now. It's cool.
It's like that. So I find that to be interesting, by having
this huge collection is a discussion that we'll probably
get into a little bit here, which was, and it might stem a
little bit from the clip that you have of the NPR lady. Yeah,
you
want to hear that this
plays out first. And then we'll play our discussion about
advertising. This started answering questions. Yeah, this
was
Vivian Schiller, at the time, she was the CEO of NPR. And we
were on her on her tail all the time. I can't remember why. But
we didn't like her. And we thought NPR was full of crap.
And, and then somehow, she was doing a q&a. And this genius
clip came out of it, because I think we were always saying, you
know, oh, I remember what it was, like, hey, they're doing
call to action. So they don't have advertising. But then they
would say, Well, you know, this is a, this program is brought to
you by Squarespace. And then they would do like, you know, go
to squarespace.com, which they only did for a little bit,
because I think they got you know, they've gotten some
trouble for it. But we were calling them out on Hey, you
just doing advertising. You're calling it something else. And
then Vivian Schiller gave us this beautiful clip.
Okay, moving on to money. How are NPRs corporate underwriting
revenues holding up in the recession? And what about
foundation grants?
Two different stories. Underwriting is underwriting is
is down, it's down for everybody. I mean, this is this
is this is the area that is most down for us is is in is in
sponsorship, underwriting advertising. Call it whatever
you want. Oh, yeah.
And she was gone after that.
Yeah, well, she wasn't doing well there. And she's on her
way. She's still you can follow her on Twitter. She didn't she
go to the New York Times. Yeah, that she left there, though. I
think she went to Twitter, maybe? Oh, that's right. Yeah.
Yeah. Bouncing around 300. Again, in certain jobs, to
bounce around what happens when you're no good? Yeah. When we
had a, we made this little discussion very early on about
advertising. From a content creator perspective. And it was.
And I believe it's because I was irked because we're still early
within the first couple 100 shows and you get the you'd get
the comment from somebody some expert about how why don't you
give what are you doing taking donations? Why don't you get
advertisers? Why don't you find advertisers, the shows any good
it would fight, you'd find advertisers and you get this
from people about why don't you using advertising and
advertising is not for podcasters. With the exception
of a very few people. Advertising doesn't work for
crap, it doesn't work, that you have to split the money with
somebody else to add sales guy, it creates a layer, you have to
take grief from advertisers to do meetings. Meetings show is
one of our themes. But here's a little discussion we had on the
topic that I thought would be worth clipping and playing
again, radio is terrible. 17
minutes of programming and 13 minutes of commercials, you
know, make your choice.
Right? And how much is your time worth? So I've used that
argument. But then I also find another one, which I really
haven't exploited on the show. But you know, because people
that this production will cost a lot of money to make a movie.
What about a novel novels are one of the first in that one of
the first businesses that are directly user supported. Good
point, you buy a book, good point. And you read the book and
you've you know, you've already paid your money though, of
course, unlike our show, the book you pay in advance for the
book, and you pay in advance for the for the avatar movie, you
pay in advance for a lot of these things. We don't do that
we're more of the church model where you, you know, if you
don't like the sermon, you don't have to put anything in the
coffers. But it's the same thing. Your books are user
supported. And where's your ads in a book
now? And what once you get over the personal hurdle coming from
mainstream? Whereby the way we hate commercials, I've always
hated commercials.
I hate that's where the GVR is such a
godsend. No, but I mean, just even as a creative as a creator
of content. I'm like, I gotta I gotta hit the commercial break.
I gotta wait for the commercial. Yeah.
Terrible. You got us interrupt your flow. I watched one of
these shows anyone listening to this on Fox or in places and
they get somebody in a really heated debate, but they're on a
heartbreak?
Yeah. I've seen this with Tom Brokaw and the president. And
they got some some guys screaming in his ear counting
down to commercial and the President's actually just saying
something really interesting. It's annoying. It's very, very
annoying as a creator to go through that. But then it was
kind of weird. At least for me, it was, you know, you feel
embarrassed to ask people for money, and there is a
psychological hurdle. And but one cheer over that. Got over it
pretty quickly. That's easy sailing. You know? I'm glad you
got that clip, because that is that's a message to podcasters
everywhere. This is your biggest hurdle. I'm convinced of it. The
minute you go to the value for value model, which I don't think
we had coined yet here. No, the model was there, but not the
No, actually, I think you had coined it a little bit, because
I remember it being in that longer. Even if I can make that
clip longer. I think it might be in there. It was the beginning.
I agree. I think you're right. It's this hurdle. There's two
hurdles I saw one was doing it, just doing it just you know,
jumping in the pool. And the other one is, is taking it so
seriously, that you really becomes part of your life. You
don't you know, you're not just goofing around, right? And
you've mentioned in that clip, and that longer version, about
tip jars and how stupid it is. It'd be so passive. You can't be
passive, you have to be aggressive.
Yeah. And also, we I think we figured out pretty quickly that
it was a mistake to limit what people wanted to give by saying,
oh, chip in chip in $3. chip in?
Well, now that you mentioned that I would didn't have this in
my notes. But I was thinking of a couple of examples of that one
was the mistake podcasters making podcasters should
obviously I think if you're listen to this, is that they go
too cheap. Yeah. They're looking for $1. Nicholas show,
which is very, which is very much the NPR model, I might add,
you know, they
don't have to do anything more than that nowadays, because they
have giveaways. And they have the
writers Yeah, and tote bags, tote bags and coffee mugs.
But I was thinking about this, because I noticed that once we
kind of opened it up and created the executive producer
knighthoods to different tracks for everybody to start donating,
they would give more money into the support video for supporting
the show, they would give more and would, you know, knowing
that the notes gonna be read or whatever the rationale is, but
when you had it, we had it for a while. $2 a month, right, which
is how we kind of started to stupidly, and that would have
you know, what, there's still actually one or two guys that
are still still on that track,
I'm sure through the old paypal account to
Yeah, the debt, that's a loser. And when I see people in this,
like, Oh, you want to do this, and we didn't want to get this
much money, and it's up to $1, you get to pay, you know, 15
cents a show. That's kind of the low end thinking really hurts
you. And I'm gonna give it my favorite example of this. Andrew
Sullivan, they kind of right wing gay. Yeah,
I guess he was a blogger. He was a very famous, he's a very
famous blogger was named, came up
with it with he's going to create an online magazine just
about him. And he did. And he's had a yearly subscription of
something that he was a yearly subscription, very rigid, and we
are open to any amount of money more like a church, I'd say, but
he had this, you know, $24 a year or something like that, and
you get this access to his thing, which of course,
we need to just say, this only works. If you produce an
outstanding product. If you don't have that, then it's just
not going to happen. And quite honestly, listening to some of
these old clips. I'm amazed.
Yes. So they'd show that you're actually killed your own
argument. Yeah. Now. So some of it I don't know this story to be
absolutely true. But I do know that Sullivan opened up because
he was very famous at the time. And I think he had something
like 10,000 or 20,000 or 50,000 subscribers.
I remember. The number was he was making a million a year.
That's what I remember.
That was a million a year. Why didn't he keep just doing that?
What did he because I believe it fell off like it does with all
these other subscription models. Okay, pal kicks you off. Yeah,
you lose this guy. You lose that guy. They stop subscribing, they
fall by the wayside. We have a lot of people overboard. It
doesn't work. I think he probably wasn't making a million
a year anything became less and less and then nothing. I just
don't think that the idea of having a simple subscription as
your only source and I've seen podcasters tried to do this, the
model or we attempt to do and they keep it they limited they
automatically limited Yeah, when you give them money. It's 19
bucks, you can give them 19 bucks, but you can't give them
1000
which is the which is the downside of Patreon. Patreon is
set up in the wrong way in my
gun is very limiting. For example, if somebody says watch
his Patreon. Well, we there's other reasons we don't use
Patreon. Mainly that's their contract. We don't like it. But
we have like every couple shows we have new offerings. And
there's just you know, set up using Pay Pal. And you can set
up a new, you know, again, there's some special deals,
sometimes it's open donations, a random No. donation
and seven times out of 10. It's the producers, the listeners
themselves who come up with some crazy idea that we then adopt.
Yes, like, 6969 we have the hands with 70 seats. 7373 we
have 808 for boobs. I mean, this is all stuff. We didn't come up
with this. No. Yeah, we could have but no,
yeah, we did. Well, the boobs. I don't know how you could come up
with that. Oh, was a little boob 606? Yeah, just, we had boob.
And but we never, we did come up with little boob we could have,
but we didn't do somebody else.
That's a great one to
know. And it's just it just the model that we put together I
think works better than anything else I've seen out there. We've,
you know, tried to get other people to do this exact same
model, because I think it's a good model for anybody. And it
stems pretty much from dedicating ourselves to the
model and not even thinking about advertising.
And then taking a risk. We took risk.
You think so I never thought much of it as much.
So I gave him my job at my own company.
Yeah, you do? Well, you took a risk because you gave you quit.
You were but you were fed up.
But also I couldn't I couldn't sell it to myself. Here I am,
you know, at a podcast network which you you can't monetize the
network. You know, trying to make cheap content and put
stickers all over it to you know, with advertising. And
meanwhile, the real fun was doing the no agenda show. And
it's just like, this is really, I love this. I love that when
someone says, Hey, I enjoyed this. Here's how much I thought
it was worth. That is so much more fulfilling than, gee, we we
got all the views. We promised there's engagement boom, yeah,
thanks, advertiser. Oh, sucks.
It sends some bots through and have them click. I don't want to
talk about that. But anyway, so that's the way the model came
about. And I think it was, I think it's good. I mean, we have
our ups and downs is not very consistent. And this or some
gimmick or something fancy going on or as an anniversary, you
know, it is you struggle. I mean, it might as well be this
is probably listen to this as our load donation segment.
Well, hold on, let me interrupt you. I'm going to show my school
by donate to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be
fun.
Also the Jeff Smith,
and we want to mention the, we're not going to thank anybody
on this show, or the next for that matter. And so anyone who
contributes to these shows these particular shows, like if you
send something in over $50, today, it will be on the sewage
show. 98696. And it'll be on. Yeah, that'll be the 30th the
last day of the month. And so we'll do a big donation segment,
which, believe me, we're used to, although combined a couple
of shows, probably it actually combined three shows. Yeah. And
there's gonna be three times longer than usual. But did you
people this time of year, they're not this Thanksgiving,
nobody's listening. Okay, go back and listen,
like the donation segments, those who don't know how to get
through it, and they miss important things.
And we tell it, we have good stories within the we make the
donation segment. Thank you. Interesting. Thank you. This is
this, I think is very entertaining
another point that needs to be made. But just since we're the
granddaddies of the podcast here for the moment, if you kind of
make it interesting. Yeah. So just sitting there, and just
yeah, thank you for this. For that. No, man. And somehow we
roped ourselves into playing classic jingles and all kinds of
stuff for people, which I think does make it interesting.
Except when they all ask for the exact same jingle one person
after it has read some random random number theory. But
anyway, devora.org/na We'd appreciate if we had got some
help for this episode, which we are making an effort to do.
Yeah. And
and I actually, I would like to thank everybody. For 10 years,
we've worked Yeah, for the better part of 10 years, we've
successfully been able to create this with you. Thank you so
much. And I'm not just thanking you for I'm not just thinking
you from the bottom of my heart with my wife, both of his Ville
it's not just the contributions through money. It's the it's
everything. It's all the stuff that you guys helped produce
with. I mean, that is the true community. And luckily, there's
an understanding that the only way we can do our job is if you
support us, and it works. And I think you know, maybe maybe
maybe sometime in the future, some Wanna go, Hey, look what
those guys were doing back then.
Maybe it's a possibility and that will bring us out of this
segment into the questions
fondue.org/and. A, I do want to just mention, since we pretty
much mentioned on every single 200 dot whatever episode that
even even with our model, and this is important, we have the
most messed up donation address in the world. DeVore ak.org/na,
you go on the street, do a Jimmy Kimmel man on the street, nine
out of 10 people can't even spell Dvorak, let alone to get
to this to the URL. But this is the magic of what we do
devora.org/and A it works. Jingles work? They weren't we
use
a lot of old tricks.
And if only the new broadcasters would understand that these old
tricks still work.
They were developed over time when radio was King back in the
good old days. And actually we after radio got knocked out of
being king, it got even better in terms of the tricks because
you had to use more more tricks because you're competing with
television. Right? So radio really gotten to the point. I
mean, the morning zoo model is not something that would do well
in the 1930s.
And Scott Shannon still does it on CBS FM in New York. where I
learned how to do it he still does it the number one station
in New York, believe it or not. Now, still, it's still holds
water.
Well, you mentioned a second ago that what when people look back
on and think of this show, I don't think they're gonna think
much of the first 100 of them. But after that, I think we got
on a roll. And and that brings us to a question from Larry.
Hey, okay, got a cop out questioning calls it may I
please ask how do you how do you two experts want to be
remembered? 100 years from now? Oh, okay. Well,
I, you want me to go first so that you can have a better
answer. I would like to be, I would like to be remembered by
what? What I fancy the most is when people send me an email and
say, Wow, you really changed my life, or you helped me with my
kid or something is going better because of the show. That is
something you rarely get in mainstream coming from that
world. PVS throwaway product, we get the crap, throw it out done.
We got to realize use this used to move product. It's Yes,
exactly. It's not about the show. It typically mainstream.
This is about the show. And this is and over over time, I think
that we discovered ourselves that we were actually helping
ourselves deal with the insanity that was going that's going on
in the world, which is partially while in a no small part, thanks
to the internet. You know, people are getting ill from this
stuff, but I think we kind of naturally identified it. And it
was I felt I always found in good for myself like, Oh, I
know. Hi, now that I've talked with John about this, and we
were laughing about these morons and all this, etc, that instead
of being afraid or scared or, or worried, or you know, any number
of things that is usually intentional. So, I would like to
be if someone somewhere said it 100 years from now, those guys
you know, they apparently they really helped people out a lot
with their format. With with their stylings.
gets a good as answers I could come up with
Oh, cop out. Yeah. Come on, give it a shot, John. We know,
I kind of want to be remembered for some original thinking. That
could be documented. I liked the idea of helping people I think
that people get whatever they get out of their current version
of the show. And that show I think is versioned. And that you
have your original show and then show we talked about
restaurants. And we
that by the way, that was the show is also a bit about our
lives. Because we did that as you know, I wouldn't have I
wouldn't see it for several weeks or whatever. And then I'd
be in San Francisco, and we go and we go to it was kind of cool
because I had the media credit card. And we go to a restaurant
and I'd be like, yes, that was. That was very good. We have to
do. Yeah, we have a meeting and some research we have to discuss
when we were totally just raping the company.
Totally raping them. You could we could have done better.
Exactly. Yeah, for a couple of days. Yeah, we're nice guys. We
didn't want to make it too crazy. But yeah, that was and
people did like that. And I think people in fact, I want to
move to a question from the Twitter's what we talked about
all kinds of stuff that bothers us or the the food stuff was
always good. We I think we still do that to a degree. Here's a
question from Adam PERT.
Why the vinegar fascination? This has just become a running
gag, I guess. But maybe we
should Well, I have this vinegar book I'm supposed to do. But
I've kept once I did I have a problem with with some of these
little books. That is,
why stop stop, you have a problem with any book. Since
I've known you since we done this show. You have not
published one book.
So one of the things that I've had a fascination with is these
is people who think that that big what's called a mother of
vinegar, which is a big gob of goo cellulose that actually
produces vinegar, because it's a form of a senior bacteria, not
the normal ones. Xilinx I think is something isn't the name of
it. It produces a toxic vinegar that makes you give you a you
have stomach aches for or nausea or heartburn for for a long time
trying to get that out of your system. And people still make
vinegar from it. I keep wanting to do this book as a public
service.
There you go. Tell people.
This was sorry,
helping people once again.
Yeah, helping people once again. So that's the end. So I'm, I
keep reminding myself to finish this book. I actually, here's
what here's what my problem tends to be with this sort of
book and nonfiction is that I do all the research, I got all the
research done, and then I find out what I need to find out. I
know, I know what I need to know. Then I might as well go do
something else because I satisfy curiosity.
I'm done. No, no, I know what it is. I forget about it. Yeah, I
understand. Yeah. Well, I know you're a little bit so I
understand. I understand how that works. Do you anything?
I got an email from Andrew. Scratch, scratch, scratch scrape
if something I'm not sure how to pronounce his last name. John,
would you consider indexing specifying clips you'd like to
run on a show by number telling Adam simply something like PLAY
CLIP three.
Oh, how incredibly boring. You want yourself robbing?
Well, it's what it is that comes from this guy obviously listens
to Mark Levin. Okay. Mark Levin and some of these other guys and
showed us I think to an extent savage does this. Yeah. They say
clip three go. Wow. And when they go play clip three, because
he's that's what he does. He's just playing clips. There is no.
Adam doesn't obviously remember this? Because he would have said
something already.
I tried. Oh, you did try a numbering system. Yes. You're
right. I recall right up
basically told me to pound salt. He's refuses to do that. Because
he feels like a monkey.
Oh, that's not why. Well, no, that's
not why it's just got to be an element.
No, I find it actually much easier. No, of course not. Now,
I know you pretty well. So I we you know, you can pre guess the
clips. Yeah, when you're talking. So that's what I do.
And there's a video out there on YouTube called how the sausage
is made. You can see it and you hear you hear John talking?
You're talking about okay, blah, blah, blah, whatever the topic
is, and you can see my mouse. Like, is it this one? Is it that
one? Okay, I know what he's talking about. Drag it in. Maybe
there's two different things in the two clips with the same
topic. I'll drag them both in, get ready to start it. I like
being able to start a clip without you saying anything. at
all, no cue. Now.
Yeah, that does happen on a really great show. And this I
actually determined to show is good. It's smooth as silk. I'll
be yakking about something and he will see that what I'm
talking about as a clip, you see the clip? And then I will just
stop talking to that pause. And Neil nail it and when you when
you listen to one of those shows, and there's they're not
every show, but there's more than you'd expect. It's
dynamite. Yeah. And
that's why it's many people professionals say to you guys
edit that show. How do you how do you do? How much work do you
put into that? No, we do it live we do it live.
So that's the real reason. And it is I think it's annoying PLAY
CLIP three piping is not necessary. And then you know,
he's not we don't have an engineer. We're working on the
show together. Yeah, the engineer is not part of the show
on those on the Rush Limbaugh show. I mean, sneeringly comes
in once in a while to his headphones, but we don't get to
hear him. Now just it's the old fashioned one guy yakking
and yeah, it's because of our combined talents that the show
that the show actually works and it's cost effective, because you
know, IT professional, your broadcast professional. I hear
when you're ready for the clip. I often miss guess it three,
four times. I'll start the clip and usually have a little bit of
pad in the beginning of your clips. And I'm sure people have
heard that clip will start. You'll hear it and you're
talking. Oops, oops, stop. Rewind, stop. Rewind, stop
rewind. Yeah. So when you've been suggested, yeah, you should
get a red light. No. Red. Yeah, like you press a button. You
press a button. I go, okay. No. Now the there is, of course, a
way to do it where you could be starting your own clips. But
what's the fun of that?
Well, I get it. Yes. And I could actually change my rig. And have
a I could actually do the clips from here. I just need to change
everything. Yeah, I can put a mixer in here and I could do the
I can run my own clips. But the way it works now, it's it's so
interesting, and I think it's, it kind of works a little
better. That's a little more honest. Because there's a
clumsiness. Sometimes it's, that's charming, I think. I
agree. Dean Reiner says, I'm aware of the lack of consequence
to this question. But to whom? Or what does Adam announce the
to whom? Or what does Adam announce the nice things? And
then he has k what?
To who? Or what do I announce the nine things?
I'm not sure what this means? Does he mean the music? Now he's
saying to whom? Who? Who's in it? Who's the audience? I guess?
Well, I don't know. I
don't know the audience. I asked. I asked the Dames and the
dames knights to be I asked them up on the podium next to the
lectern. And obviously, down in the in the hall is the round
table with the existing Knights and Dames. They're all sitting
there watching. I don't understand what what the
question is.
Yeah. I think you answered it.
Connor Jarrett, your thoughts on the future of podcasting? Do you
see it being valued for value model? Or a hell of shilling
tongue brushes and razor blades? Yeah, I think that's what it's
gonna be.
I mean, just tongue brushes.
Yeah. And razor blades? Sure. Not a lot of people will do this
model. So if you think I'm just saying what it will be in the
future is look at it. Everyone's doing advertising. Yeah, I don't
think
that's 100% agreement. Nobody wants to do this model. I mean,
we do have Jen, Brian, he does this model, she does quite well
for herself.
And you met on I think,
yeah, it was helped. But there's other people that could do this
model, and they just won't pull it, they won't. I don't want to
say who it is. But there's somebody that has a version of
this model. But they use Patreon almost exclusively, which we
believe to be a mistake. And they once said, they can't
totally get into the mall because this person once said, I
don't think I'd feel comfortable taking checks. And Adam and I
discussed this every once in a while we know who it is. And we
discuss it and you shake your head.
And why wouldn't you take money? I don't understand.
I don't know I wouldn't feel comfortable. I take in money
from pay. I mean, I can take the check the goods comes in the
mail from Patreon. But I won't take a check from a listener.
Why?
And in fact, you you've kind of made a hobby of looking into all
these alternative forms like pop money and guess what other ones
probably be more money right now through a credit union does
work. Checks work great. And
everybody wins and checks. Everybody wins. Yeah, there's no
cost. That's fantastic.
No cost. And bank has to pick up a it helps the mail.
It keeps the US Postal Service and businesses is a very good
thing. These checks. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so we like the checks.
Yeah. And they're and sometimes they're pretty nice. Somebody
also
said some people send their own check from their personal
account through the mail with their own
it's not a check. It's content.
Yeah, it's content. That's what it is. Exactly.
Alan Bradley. Why do you interrupt Adams professional
well written show opens with duck calls and sound effects.
I do that I don't do that that often. I just think you
don't do it often enough. You started doing that a couple of
years ago, man that's more than that. Five years ago, I'll say
yeah, it's very it began I began with a slide whistle
you start a slide with a slide whistle and a harmonica is yeah
harmonica
isn't slide whistles. And I think it was like a Spike Jones
thing just you know, once the module just throw something in
there. Totally. Spike Jones has another you know, jingle like
thing for transition or an accent or you know, and that we
also have the bells of course. I think I All both of those. You
started with a slide whistle I got a slide whistle. That's
true. You gotta go. I got it. I got a digital bill. Well, I have
real belt. There's a real Bell and here's the digital bill.
Okay, well, you got to Belsen. I haven't gone anywhere.
But what? Here's my question to you. Just right near your chaise
lounge where you are now. Yeah. What what noisemakers Do you
have? Just give them to us one by one?
Okay, I've got to the recorder. The off key recorder I have
to come to your house. I'm going to play that thing. And you're
gonna be like, Wow, I had no idea. It actually wasn't broken.
There's no way Look, there's no way this thing is broken. It's
not
broken. You're done doing it right.
Doing It Wrong. I got I got chimes. Yeah, I got the gong
sounds what chimes he's changed
I don't play him that much. Because they're kind of set over
here and you can barely hear him up and take near the mic. So I
just stay there. I never really use them much. I get to to sound
makers, electronic sound makers like this one. And, and this the
other one you gotta buy this one's got four by five it's got
20 buttons on it. The other one has four. I have a bunch of
harmonic as different keys. I have a right hands link that
always got this ready. I have that horrible sounding this
thing
oh no, no, that's a bad one people get very triggered by
that thing.
Yeah, I don't like it and it's and it hurts. I hit it with a
piece of plastic this time so you couldn't really hear it but
oh my god yeah,
that's what the teacher we got that because a teacher was using
that in class to get the children's attention and make
them some better good.
Yeah, I got this I have the duck call. I have the moose call or
deer call. These are all right at my fingertips. So
give us give them to us.
Oh, okay, well right my fingertips but push them aside
here's the I got this is a good one I forget about this all the
time need to read I got this thing this Yep, got that which
also sounds like this I got this and this got about that I don't
use it that much. I got this got this
in your family gives you these things as gifts for birthdays
and Christmas don't lose your
Hillary pen. The Hillary pen Yeah, that's not right at my
fingertips it's on the table. Let me take a spin around here
on this chair. Should be one there it is. In the pile pile of
paper to classic got this guy one had to
I got this guy. I got that. I love that one. I only have three
No, I only have three noisemakers I got actually this
is this is not a noisemaker This is my instrument. I've gotten
pretty good on this slide whistle actually put on it well,
that's not my day,
and we both have kazoos. I don't know where mine is. Because my
kazoo, you don't need as many noisemakers because you have the
soundboard Yes, I do have this. I got that. I have one of those.
I lost it. And the most important one is this. I use
this font. We can make a lot of racket. Yeah.
So that's where we have
Alex B writes, will you continue the show for the rest of Trump's
first term like you promised right after he was elected? I
keep hearing jokes about exit strategies. Any hints about
quitting? I know it's selfish, but I would hate I'd hate it if
you quit too soon since I only started listening right after
Trump was elected know what it is ask for my recommended suite
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Yes bite so I have Spy Hunter Spy Hunter Hunter
it does the trick as Adam When did singing along to the Ride of
the Valkyries when did that began? What makes rituals like
that so embrace? I'll tell you but let me answer for him before
he answers which is he's superstitious. Yes. Give her a
notice you hold any other superstition outside of the
show?
Oh, tons of superstitions. Yeah, yeah. It's all part of the
Tourette's obviously. I don't remember exactly when it
started. I do know that we were talking about or I'm sure it was
something came up on the show that Hitler's guy gurbles the PR
guy he would always play the right of the Valkyrie before
Hitler did important big speech. I thought well, you know, that's
a good idea. I'll get everybody kinda like it's and we have a
very good version of it to the fat lady. Even though we've
never seen her we just know you imagined It's like she's a nice
plump lady who's singing that there's no there's no other
ladies look like you can do that unless it look like that. That
kind of operatic I think so. Yeah, this is perfect. And she I
don't know then somehow Cinco de Maya came in that became a thing
I
don't know where they came in. Oh,
I don't know. Yes, I'm very
just for one thing that song is not kept on the recordings. No,
it's so it's impossible to track down when that happen because we
don't record that part of the show.
Well I do on the backup recorder but I always delete that.
Yeah, you can't keep all that stuff. So we'd have to go
through show up to show you where he first did it we first
did Cinco de mio and then you did it and did it is my
recollection. You did it did it did it any one time you didn't
do it and there was some follow up with the show. And so you
made the assumption that it was the Sanko missing Sanko to
Majlis and to this day if you miss Sanko tomorrow you're very
upset
yes and there's a lot of people listening to the show have no
idea what this is because it's always on the live stream is
never in the show itself. Someone came up with with an
abbreviated version in which is kind of like a break glass in
case of an emergency if I miss saying Cinco Demayo at the right
point you know it makes no sense to start the whole thing over
again instead we have this version.
Yes and well we also have is the me got a couple of shouts like
that. That's all it's almost Yeah, it is superstition, but
it's kind of like getting ready for the big game. I take this
seriously. You know, it's like it's three hours where, you
know, we've been up for hours getting everything ready. You
know, I'm psyched getting psyched. That's what it is
getting psyched.
Yeah, yeah, it's like a football game. Honky Tonk. Willie writes
your show is immensely educational. As such without
certain background information, much of your discussion lacks
the necessary context for new audience numbered members. This
is one of the reasons we do this particular show every so often.
Here's a few items, I think would be good to address. We're
not going to address any of them probably, but I'll list them.
And exposition on pipelines would be good. Nord Stream suds
should stream Qatar Iraq blah, blah, blah. Okay,
well, you saying that would be good to have that.
Then now we've done it before. There's a show dedicated to
it. Yes, that's that's exactly why I'm so surprised.
I don't know that he knows what show it is to you. You're gonna
look it up well I read this list is a long list by the way, we're
not obviously going to be able to address it on this show T tip
of the Trans Pacific Partnership said and other huge trade
agreements that are not opaque. A roadmap of liberals and
conservatives classic and modern laid out on top of current
Republican Democrat ideologies, hawks and doves, and where the
Neo cons fit into the mix globalism versus nationalism
what they really are versus what people think they are, like
people on the street bit bit with people thinking socialism
sounded pretty good. People think globalism, one big groovy
Global Village five or 12345, the economic hitman style of
exploitation. You explained it fully several years ago. And now
just refer to it by name. expound on this, Ukraine number
six, Ukraine hits at least four of the above. So that's a rich
subject for a recap. seven to seven countries in five years
also we do that a lot.
Yeah, in fact, it now it's really in play again, when he
gets a
lot of play on the show, but I can hardly remember the thinking
behind it. We are spreading democracy giving the finger to
Russia. There was no thinking behind it when it first showed
up. No, there was no thinking behind it. It was just something
that was the West Lark.
He wants to go to Episode 426, July 15 2012. That was the
pipeline report. And that is the episode where we discuss all of
that all of those pipelines and the and everything behind it.
And that's been an ongoing as still is an ongoing thesis where
I'm talking about that much anymore. A lot of these projects
have been stalled. And the focus is a bit off of Ukraine now but
that is that's and that was also thanks to one of our characters
on the show back in the day, Mr. Oil, if you remember him. Yeah,
Mr. Oil was a commodities trader traded oil and Russian guy
living in the UK. And he explained to me, you know, how
everything really revolves around oil and its transport,
and not just oil, but also gas. And so then you know, then we
understood the gas part. And once we got that, then you
understand all the problems with Russia, you understand the
tension with the EU 426 is a good episode four to
six.na shownotes.com.
There is also we had to we are the two of us are accepting of
the fact that we are in a petroleum economy. Yes. Which a
lot of people are just in denial about
and it's not just what you put in your motorized vehicle
either. It's look around you
every is the paint is your belt is the paint is your rayon
shirts such as crocs. It's everything. Crocs, crocs, crocs,
it's all petroleum products. Exactly. Okay, onward. He says
seven countries in five years, okay. Democracy versus Republic
forms of government mind. We talked about it every so often.
You know, this is one of the things that should be taught in
high school. Thank you. And we can't really pick up that much
slack and without boring people to death. That's also what we
do. I mean, we do not we're not here to educate you. We're here
to deconstruct news. Yeah, we're trying to
help you understand what the bullcrap is, how it's made, why
it's made, and what's ultimately behind it. And and to some
degree on a grand scale, what the moves are meant to be in the
world. It's kind of a small world when you look at the map,
but for us, it's like, okay, this is why this is happening.
And he says, Episode 200x is a perfect place for a rundown on
the best port wines of last 100 years, as well as notable
vintages of French reds and any interesting California wines.
Yeah, it is a good idea. We're not going to do it, though. For
the regular show, restaurant reviews are always welcome.
Because they visited the Bay Area. But anyway, yeah, we do
what we can. I know there's a lot of back references that
really hurts new listeners because we don't we do we do
reference a lot we say what
the I think what is often difficult is our nomenclature.
It's in, in off show life and in show life, I have a hard time
remembering people by their actual name. And so I give them
names. And people around me usually figure out who I'm
talking about. And I don't know if we just kind of stuck we do a
lot of that on the show and we have nicknames for everybody.
Usually disparaging.
Yeah, they tend to be
that's hard for people because it's one
of those things. Now finally say as a PSA, this is kind of
interesting. He says I'm a loudspeaker guy and only twice
in 10 years. Have you said anything about your home
speakers? Okay, my speaker setup currently is a it's a
combination of speakers that I have Rigg together. But my
favorite normal speakers adult quiz DQ tans which can be had
for about 600 bucks if you shop around but you do need
subwoofers now he says you need at least 12 inch woofers or I've
made that opinion but I said I have 15 inch woofers I actually
have two sets of 15 inch woofers they're not eight JBL 's are two
very large boxes of sirloin Vega 15 inch woofers in a I had a
friend of mine is this backstory friend of mine used to it was
still stills major speaker designer and while he was
working for Sir When Vega he sent me these two boxes of giant
woofers and I've been using them ever since they're dynamite. And
so I don't know if they're even available to the public Tom down
your cars. Another classic. Another classic
remember that? Oh, this is something that needs to be
mentioned since it isn't on the show in all the it's an all the
other 200 dot foo episodes. John does not use headphones. He
listens to everything on speakers in his studio, which
was a problem for a while there for a number of reasons. That's
actually how we started using noise gates is I guess I could
hear my voice coming back through your microphone with a
delay of course thanks to Skype
as it was horrible. I had to turn the speakers way down
alright, they worked in some environments where the speakers
were a mile away there was a there's some magic distance you
can put the speakers and I've had him way out there but ever
since he got his thing perfected I could get the six figures
anywhere doesn't he just doesn't bounce back on him
don't have any issue at all. But it is a style of of radio and
just call it radio. Not using headphones that is you know, I
can't do it. You can you'd like it you prefer I can't I need to
hear exactly what's going on. And you just for some reason you
don't Yeah, you don't need them.
I really like it a lot better free air. And I got this first
time I ever saw it been professionally use it was when I
was floating around promoting a book and I got to go to a lot of
radio stations around the country. And the one thing I
noticed is that no two radio stations are the same. No, which
is anything but standardized. And I was up in Vancouver,
Canada, there's a talk guy up there named Bill good. And Bill
good was free for me wouldn't even let me put you know, we do
have a chair at a microphone and we act away and it came out
fine. And then I started various overtime, I developed the
ability to do it because you do have to be a little
conscientious about your work how you're making yourself
exactly. You It's everyone's Well, I kind of I kind of go off
axis like this. But generally speaking, I'm where I'm supposed
to be.
You're a professional. I'm a professional professional
pronunce Decatur. Here's a question from wherever they go.
My question is from Jeff J to H. John, what other jobs do you
currently have? Besides the show?
Right now I'm just writing a column for PC Magazine and
trying to finish some books. Also do the DHMC I was gonna
say, do GH and plug and play with Andrew Horowitz is we run
it on Tuesday and he runs a chat room live live stream too. And I
liked that because I used to always have a job or working for
some financial publication. And this keeps me in the game. I get
to you know, hear what's going on with kids. Horowitz is in the
business? Yep.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't have any other job. This is my job. This
is what I do.
Brian, Brian Edelen writes, has anyone ever contacted either of
you two guys, after they've been featured negatively in a clip
deconstruction, maybe a PR person or an angry fan base of
that person? We remember anybody getting irked by our
presentation.
Now, I can't remember. I mean, lots of people get irked about
stuff we say. No. i Why would they? You mean like a politician
or a celebrated
or PR person that doesn't want us talking about something like
Monsanto? I mean, we are old or older shows which concentrate a
lot on Monsanto. You had a jingle that we haven't played
for a long time. You think they would be the ones that would you
know? No.
Honestly, I think people just think that's a podcast that
gives a crap. I honestly believe you're right and they're wrong.
They're absolutely wrong. It's like It's like even people
always say you should you know get some press Get a PA we've
done this from time to time we've tried to do interviews,
that never really works. You know if if we could get on Joe
Rogan and show and I'd like to let everybody know I'd love to
go on Joe Rogan John would love to go on Joe Rogan that's never
worked out I've never been officially invited I don't know
to that kind of stuff works very well
yeah cuz he's got a good audience a big one
yeah
does Adam still have his bar of gold and all of his Bitcoin as
Dr. Chris will the bar of gold? No, no, we lost that in divorce
one I do not have all my bitcoin I still have some, but I am not
really going to sell it. It's I got it for nothing. I got it
from listeners from the daily source code. You know, it was
just like it used to be when it was new you could you bought a
pizza for 1000 Bitcoin at? And I don't know, so I'm, I think I
live true to our standard of what Bitcoin is, I don't care.
And maybe one day, it'll be a million of it. Yeah. Not that
you can sell it all. That's a little secret about Bitcoin,
even to the exchanges. You can sell I think $2,000 worth a day.
Now that's really going to work.
Okay, here's a here's a beauty. This is why we have these
listeners, Jeremy being one of them. In Canada, in the morning,
please, please, please, please take a good look at the flat
earth movement. It's real. And you would not want to miss the
opportunity you have now to be on the cutting edge of the
discussion. Either way, I will always be your lifetime
supporter. stay flat jaren.
Well, we did a couple of flat Earth episodes. Yeah. Actually,
and it was very difficult because John, of course, would
just scoff at every every 30 seconds. I don't remember what
episode it was. It was it was not that long ago. It maybe it
was about a year at least a year ago. Yeah. But we're always on
the cutting edge of that kind of stuff. Now, yeah. Is there
anything more we can say about it? No. You know, there's just
there's nothing else to say unless there's some
revolutionary breakthrough. But that's also not what we
do. Yeah, we deconstruct news story. Yeah,
if it's in the news, then yeah, then it'd be fun to talk about
it. But it really isn't. And nor do I expect it to ever be Yeah,
we're it's interesting. No one's asked about our climate change
skepticism.
Not yet. I mean, it might be in his notes because we're going to
get to get through some of these getting getting getting on with
the show here. Okay. Is from Dean warm owl. He says, When
Adam nights producers, he uses the phrase, I am very proud to
announce the Knights of the K B. What does KB stand for? Or mean?
I've never said that. I
don't remember it either.
I think what he's hearing is I pronounced the K v. That's what
I say. I hereby pronounce the k d. So maybe he's hearing K
pronounce the K the k b Yes. pronounced the K the Yes.
pronounced the K I don't think is a real word. It's something I
picked up in the 80s and late 80s from Scott Shannon because
he would say he would talk about um your pronounced Decatur on
duty and it just kind of stuck and I don't know I'd like
pronounced to Kate stupid word but it's for our official
ceremony so it's it's it is Let it be so written. Okay, V.
Now some people have taken advantage of this show questions
moment. I'm going to read one of them. I'm going to ask you the
question. Why won't Seagulls Fly over bays with questions this
because they would be bagels
ah okay Are there any more legitimate questions?
Is plenty is it on the Twitter's
No no, I actually I just retweeted to see if I can get
some more that's really not that much. Maybe Maybe I have to look
at your
beard should go to us as well as me. Okay, what Brian What
wallisch? What are the night levels and what do they mean? Ag
night can assign name but no territory. What are the in show
donation levels? 50 100 gets names and locations only as a
good question. What are the best ways to send money and a note if
you want to avoid Pay Pal fees? Would this method also apply for
donations by cheque? So the best way is just drop a check in the
mail with a note box 339 l servido. California 94530. I'll
repeat it. Box 339 l Cirino. California 94530 And then you
could put it you put it You know, send some, some bottle of
wine. No, I don't do that they Well, you can if you know how
you do it, but most people it caught the night levels well go
to divorce.org/peerage.htm which amuses Adam. No, no,
no, it does Yes. And except it needs to be kept htm.
No, it doesn't.
It's not the way
I have it done i don't i the cache may actually destroy it,
it might not work. Oh, here's here's a good one. This one I
sent you.
You gotta do you want to explain it? Or is it? Is it all evident
on that one page?
The thing is on that one pages, you've got all the levels, the
levels, the executive
producers, associate director producers and below 50s. I don't
think that's
that's not what that's okay. Devorah Dvorak, that org slash
and a explains a little bit of the Executive Associate
Executive Producer, producer stuff, but what we have is at
200 bucks, you get into Associate Executive Producer at
300, or 333 is what it's supposed to be. You get a an
executive producer ship, and then you can write a note and we
read the note. And you get to use that on your LinkedIn.
That's the most that's the most important elsewhere. I mean,
this fish is a real, it's a real, it's a real knighthood
thing is a little more symbolic. But you go yourself, sir,
you're no less symbolic than the British Queen gives out. That's
what I
like thinking. That's my thing is no less than Bollington a
knighthood from the British Empire. Right.
With our knighthood, you get a cool ring and sealing wax. And
yeah, they don't give you nothing. Oh, they gave you
something to hang around your neck. Like you're gonna wear
that anywhere.
The ring now that's a usable object. Yeah. Here's the
question. Who is that dude void? Zero. You guys keep talking
about
dude, void? Zero? Yeah. Good question guy.
It became very, when I was in Los Angeles, and now we're
talking 2013, I think it became very expensive and very tedious
to manage the amount of downloads that were being
performed on our shows. And in I would say expense was really the
number one thing like holy crap, and get most leave and Mr. Oil
set up an infrastructure for us. And they found this, I think
it's called Oh, VH a really cost effective way to set up kind of
your own content distribution network. And they were they were
using that for their own stuff. And they were hosting us. And
over time, they went on to do some other things. And then
voyage zero mark, who lives in cloning in the Netherlands. He
was already kind of a part of the crew. And he said, Well, you
know, I'd really like to take this over. And I really like to
set it up properly and get all the right things and all the
right redundancy. And then here's, here's what it'll cost.
And we looked at it, we were like, holy crap, that's very
cool. You want to do that. And that didn't fit it fit within
the budget of the show. And he's been doing that and now he's had
a couple other people come in and out and help them throughout
the year sir. bemrose. Is, is helping Erina is helping. This
is a lot of professionals. These are weapons grade IT
professionals real dudes named Ben, and right.
Gonna say this, we have to remember that when we started
this show, we were doing this for we're doing it on the me vio
server infrastructure. And so it wasn't costing us anything. And
it was but that didn't last forever. I could the company is
not even there anymore. And that's when we had to start
making these changes that Adam took care of most of it with his
suave, debonair way of way of moving these things around. Good
work, Adam.
Yeah. Thanks, John. And I should point out that John does
everything else when it comes to administration of the show and
Eric the shill and Mimi, we need to mention these,
these good folks at buzzkill Junior working for us. Right?
That's right until he said, screw this. I can make real
money coding JavaScript, what am I doing?
So we have a question that applies to Adam. I think it's an
interesting one. This is from David bush. Why does Adam say he
has Tourette's? I've never heard any evidence of it.
Tourette's comes in many forms my friend. Now I do have a mute
pedal. Specifically for this reason, which I acquired only in
the last two years, I think. And that was during a sniffing
episode. Yeah, where I just had this incessant need just talking
about it makes me want to do it. So I'm going to try and not do
that.
I can assure you has Tourette's.
Yeah, but it's mainly tics. It's mainly tastes, tics.
Most People that have tics have Tourette's,
but often it manifests his way in itself in very interesting
ways. Thank God for the mute pedal. Let me just tell you
that. But I can control it to some degree. Certainly the
guttural stuff I got that I can. That's why I never want to do
television. I hate television, because that's I can't do it
anymore. I can't even keep my head still. As horrible.
As the second question, what is M five M?
Well, I think this stems from it may stem from a whole
conversation about the boob donation being 808, and hex, or
we're use a one instead of an eye and a three instead of an E
and you use a five instead of an S. So it's mainstream media.
Yes, M S, M, or M five M, which has now become our thing and
never really caught on surprisingly.
Yes, people use it constantly. Why can't you guys say SIS
admin. Isn't that dude named Ben thing played out? Wow. I have no
idea what he's trying to get out there.
Well, maybe. I see. I just had to I had that clip dude named
Ben. From because it came from the Senate, didn't it?
Yes, it came from the Senate with I think was Chafee.
I think this is it. It's a jingle
was Chaffee grilling somebody and she couldn't come up with an
answer. And she says, it's some dude named Guy named Ben. And he
said,
he actually said it. It was somebody named Ben. And then he
said, Why do some dude named Ben?
Yes, that's right. That's exactly what he did. What was
her it
was her name from it was learner. Wasn't loading center.
Yeah, I think she's the one that said it wasn't it maybe
could have been that's when all the all the day all the data tax
data disappeared or something. You know that she shouldn't be
in jail. Why does Adam shout to the opening of the show?
Oh, well, that's all part of it. I mean, don't you here with
this. It's a weenie in the butt moment. And I'm not really
shouting, I'm tall. I'm jacked up. Yeah. jacked up. And I'm
also timing and I'm back timing what I'm saying into the so that
it fits in the in the jingle. And I'm wanting to have a good
cue for John so that he knows that you can come in and do his
Zephyr thing or whatever it is. There's ever went by? Yeah, if
it bothers you, fast forward.
John Tucker's as you said, the word ice though quite a bit.
What is an ISO?
Another great question. A good question. Not a great question.
A good question. I so
I so yeah, I've seen it once before. But yeah, he's isolated.
But isolated.
Yeah. Typically, an ISO in broadcast is either a microphone
or a camera, which is recording separately from the main signal
from the main program, so that you can later take bits out of
that and use that separately and ISO ISO just a abbreviation of
isolated? Yeah.
Just from Charles Charles couch. How many hours a day or week do
you guys spend watching news or other M five M? There you go. M
five M broadcasts. All right, you
go first.
Well, add this to it. So we can answer both at the same time
other than M five M what sources do you guys use most frequently
for research, including public commentary or public sentiment?
All right, I'll go first. We all I watch television, mostly to
get content, which annoys everybody in the family when
they want to watch something else. Luckily, nobody likes TV.
Probably, I don't know, three or four hours a day every day, at
least sometimes longer. If I get caught up in something on C
span, which is where you can get caught up in something. I'm
guessing it's about right three or four hours a day. And then
I'll pick up stuff from the internet to woods because
there's a lot of plays that just play for all practical purposes.
Play clips, right.
I watched much less television than you do, I think. But I have
all day the entire day. I'm either listening to I'm
switching between CNBC CNN, Fox, Fox Business, MSNBC, rarely do I
listen, that's just listening. I'm just listening to it and
I'll pick stuff up. And I know that I can then go back later
and find find it online, which is where I have a whole system
for recording clips, which is pretty easy. I subscribe to I
think last count probably 4200 RSS feeds, which I've built up
throughout the years and it's all in proprietary Well, it's an
open source proprietary system, the freedom controller, and
that's all part of the show. notes, which, you know, really,
it flows very nicely. So stories are not only aggregated, but if
I want to keep that story and put it into the show notes or
use it for the show, then it creates an offline version. And
there's a whole bunch of cool things about it. Then on show
days, I subscribe to a number of YouTube channels. And I'll look
at those and see if there's anything there that I like. or
something that I made a note about. I'm continuously sending
notes to myself and email that I've tried many other ways, but
just works best for me, I just send a note to myself in email,
because I can do it anywhere I am any device, it's I can do it.
And then you know, so the morning of the show, I'm up
probably quarter six, my time. And I'll start collecting all
those, seeing what those stories were about. Maybe I've already
written some stuff down. But also, I get so much from the
producers. I mean, there's a lot that comes in. And a lot of it
is unusable. But still, someone sends me something, I'm gonna go
take a look at it. So there's a lot that I get from there. So
I'm really consumed by it all the time. And then Tina, the
keeper, she comes home and she's got things that I haven't even
heard of. She's got a whole different source of stuff. And
she's feeding me articles. It's a lifestyle. It's not, it's not,
to me, it's not like number of hours. It's what I do. It's all
the time.
Sure. Charles finishes up with this. Last question is a group
of mirror. What should I buy my wife for Christmas? Day mode?
Of course. That's odd. Yes, of
course. Byron, Dane. You go get another question. We get a lot
of people wondered about the M five M thing. Interesting,
interesting, interesting.
And yet it's so well adopted, but so many. They're just doing
it. Yeah, whatever. Those guys are doing it.
And you got What does double nickels on the dime mean, and
what's its origin? My impression is that it's an amount of money,
but I could never come up with the actual value it represents.
All right. Well, that was a one of our again, one of our
producers
was I believe this to be Sergeant Fred Castaneda. Okay,
Sergeant Fred, who I emailed with just the other day, because
I hadn't heard from on the show. And he was sick for a really
long time. He was a Vietnam vet, and all kinds of Agent Orange
related issues that his mom wasn't doing. It's all kinds of
crap going on his life. But I think he started off. In fact,
he often would show up if I was somewhere in Texas, even not
just Austin. But you know, I think we were in Dallas, and he
showed up and he would have double nickels on the dime. And
that's $55.10. And he would have $55 in in paper, and then 10
cents taped to it scotch taped. And I mean, other than that, and
some other ones aren't there some other ones. There's double
nickels on the dime.
Well, besides boobs and small boobs, there was a lot of things
that did but none of them really caught on like double nickels on
the dime. I mean, there's yeah, there's probably about 20 of
them. But that's the only one there were
even I mean, there was something that was comparable to like
double nickels.
Yeah, I know.
Again, this is stuff to me is magical. When people come up
with these ideas numerology is I'm, in my later life, I've
become somewhat obsessed with numerology and mathematics. And
the stuff that catches on with people. It's, it's something
profound. I don't know exactly how it works. But people really
like certain numbers that feels good. They're drawn to them.
Yeah, we had a long streak, but 6969
Yeah, what am we and we stopped. Why did we stopped when we
didn't have one?
We said, yeah, no, the idea was we're gonna go as long as we
can. And then finally, the woman who came up with the idea Carrie
Shern. overboard. She went overboard, and we haven't heard
from her and she but she's the one who came up with the idea.
Because she was setting
she was doing she was doing a marathon and
she had no agenda stitch to her ass. And
sometimes I miss her
shape to she's just perfect. Yes. And she came up with this
idea. And then we said, well, we just keep doing we play the
jingle or intro is like a segment. Yeah. And until until
nobody gave him one day. About a year into it took about a year.
Nobody gave 6969 They tried to restart it, but we refused. And
now that was done is dead. It's over. It's gone. Yeah, not to be
resurrected.
Dale asks, he just wants to know what mic you're using and
headphones.
Well, we know your headphones. How about your mic?
I'm using a right now. I use a bunch of mics. I've changed
mics. I Like the, the Heil PR 40 Generally speaking, but right
now I'm using a condenser mic. That is a I think it's a CA D
CAD. And I think the model is the 9000 or the 3000. Which is
the Chinese mic.
Yep. You know, but you're you're really into microphones and
building your own microphones and getting elements from China
and doing stuff.
Yeah, well, I'm not that nuts. But yeah, I have a collection
and it's not a big collection. I have it. I know. I'm friend of
mine. He used to work at Tech TV as a real mic collector. And
he's got everything imaginable. It's just like, he's gotten the
lemons and all the Sennheiser old ones from the 40s I kind of
think nice ribbon mics.
So I'm using the electro voice. R e 320. Which I'd like to tell
you really using the road I was using the RODE Procaster until
gene surging the Duke of Texas he said you know try this mic
out, and I never gave it back to him. I said screw that. I bought
a new one. And since I didn't really I didn't want to risk
buying the same model but in sounding different.
What is what is jeans? What was it Evie? What
it's the it's electro voice isn't it? Yeah. Electro voice.
Yeah, but it's the RT Romeo echo. 320. Now headphones. I'm
very particular about my headphones. Because I've been
wearing headphones. I think I've been wearing headphones since I
was 14. And looking at my volume knob. I have about half a notch
left. This is not a good thing by the way. No, that's not a
good movie. I used to be real poor I want over the year. I
want them to close I want them to fit snugly I want you can't
have anything leaking. Because see I can put my cans. These
aren't that big actually this is the Sony MDR 7506 professional
and from time to time you can get a deal through Amazon
they'll sell them for like 90 bucks or something I have three
pairs of them. I do wear them out after a while
but do your ears sweat
know the cables get all frayed and and yeah, they got a lot of
use. They're on they're off. They're hanging in the fall and
eventually they they do break after a while but you wanted to
get the it's the 75 or six professional. Anything else is
not a good reference or they have too much low end and you
can get fooled by that. If you really care.
Tim Kilkenny he says I'm familiar with Mike Singletary is
a legendary rant about hitting people in the mouse, but never
figured out how it became the official formula for the show.
I've been listening since 2013. I've never heard the original of
the of this rage. Praise mentioned. Thanks for all you
do. I was this is one of those.
I'll play this just so so you can hear it. Our formula is
this. We go out with people in the mouth. I'm pretty sure
someone sent that to me pre mixed like that. And I had no
idea what it was. I sent it
to you. Are you sure you sent it to me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because
it was one of my favorite. It was a because I they played it
as a local commercial.
I remember you telling me what it was about. I didn't realize
you had sent it to me. So there's a lot there's a lot of
stuff we don't remember.
Well, this is a local commercial, they played here to
get fan just for the 40 Niners to go to the games during single
Terry's era when he was the coach. And what had happened is
I sent it to you and then we played it once we ended that and
that's kind of what evolved I think the hitting in the mouth
and then for some reason I'm not sure why but you adopted it. You
took it and started playing it every show at that one moment
like it like one of your superstitious moments. Well,
then, yeah. And then you added out of the blue. You added the
the kicker there's a kicker on that thing now.
And here's the nutty thing. So these are two clips. And I
always play them the same way. And logic would dictate that I
kind of mix that into one clip. I've just been doing that for so
long. I started one Yeah. And usually I play well. In between
the little dip there at the end.
Well this A particular combination of another thing you
did and just stayed with it I never said anything one way or
the other I like it. But the it just did those two clips
together was actually a moment of genius because they really
sound like a clip. Yeah. Like a whole thing. It's not like two
things that you've combined because it's got the same tone
to it. And just stuck. And I it was. I can tell you
approximately when this came to be because it was last season of
Mike Singletary in San Francisco and by doing a quick search of
my mike Singletary. Like Singletary.
I have no idea who Mike single Oh, he's the coach.
Yeah, he's the coach. He's a tough guy. Tough guy. Tough guy.
And he was with the Niners from let's use them looking at his
wiki page. Career history, San Francisco 40 Niners from 2000
Not always the head coach from nine to teach was there for two
seasons. At door three, nine? No, it's just nine and 10. So he
just had to be done probably in that era of show 100.
Really not long ago.
It's long time ago. That's why you don't remember any of it.
Because it was really just too long ago. I was he was your bank
to this thing. That's what was going on. So he was he was, you
know, he didn't do it. He was a lousy coach. But he was a great
recruiter. He they put together this fabulous team that when the
next coach came along, they could do you know, they had all
these great players, so it didn't take much. And then of
course, I've noticed this in football and sports and
business. You can put together a great team, but you can't manage
it well. But the next guy that comes along because you're such
a lousy manager, everyone looks up to the new guy, right? And
but he's got all this stuff in front of him because he's again,
just kick ass. And when the new guy starts putting his guys in,
the team falls apart again. I've seen this over and over and over
again is what happened to the 40. Niners right. Anyway. Yeah,
so that's been around a
question. Have you ever had any interesting theories regarding
space over the years asks smile for camera on Twitter?
Space? Yeah. Like what? Well,
there's Moon bases Israeli one stone, space. Wow. Okay. And
space. I'm a big fan of a big fan of the space elevator.
Yeah, that's a good one.
We don't do that too much anymore. Now. Yeah. We don't
have time for his jokey. We don't have time for it, even
though I truly know about the Israeli Moon bases.
Yeah. To the point that you were denying that there was Railay
for a while until somebody finally caught the clip.
I'd forgotten. Yes, but they are Israeli. Yeah.
Another here's another question, but f m 5am. I think it is.
John, where's your keyboard? Great question. I think I
figured out my own already. This says Dave Duncan, but you you've
been saying in J and K a lot after donation notes. Okay. And
I had no idea what this one there is. You probably should
listen to the donation segment. Yes. Because there's a lot of
stuff that shows up in there that becomes lydney Based on the
hours of content. I think I figured out what it means. No
jingles no comm karma? Yes. Maybe I missed the introduction
of that abbreviation. says maybe we should put a glossary
together.
What's interesting is no one has asked about the origin of karma.
They haven't.
I'm gonna ask you right. Now. When did we start doing that?
Well, that wasn't us. Again, this was a suggestion by we, I
think somebody suggested it or are we? This one that I have to
research again? I'd be this will be in the next show, I guess.
Okay, one of the not the next show we're doing in this linear
algebra, the next version of 200 point x. Yes. I do remember
this. It didn't really catch on until someone sent us the karma
jingle which is this.
You've got karma.
And there's a question about who's the voice in that thing?
And I think it's been revealed a couple of times, but we keep
forgetting Donnie. No, she does
the show. I don't think so I forgotten to remember
and and that jingle seems to have some magical effect,
imagined or otherwise. And once it started, we started using it.
We started getting feedback there. I got a job just out Have
you played the jingle? And the next thing? You know, we're
doing it all the time. Yeah, no.
And then it was I need jobs, karma. And again, I don't know
where this show does jobs,
jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.
Word showed up. Well, I
started. Go ahead.
I developed that clip because we had play we had been ridiculing
Pelosi with his job, his job, his job, his thing, and I found
a clip of the little kid screaming yay. And I put it
together perfect. I thought it was hilarious. I still think
it's hilarious. It is funny, because it's just weird. And so
that began the jobs, then you attached it to jobs, karma,
because somebody, we were given karma away for all kinds of
stuff. But then you decided to make that special karma with a
with a jingle. And now we've got like three or four versions of
it. Yes. Testing. And very tough one, that's a tough one to get
to the bottom of.
But it does, as you said, imagined or not, it does seem to
do something for people, how many times we get a note saying
oh, I asked for jobs, karma got a job. And then we got the F
cancer karma, all this stuff. Now, I don't think you've cured
cancer, but it certainly makes people feel better. And I think
there is something about the power of people hearing
something and I don't know, there's there's something to it,
as you said imagined or not, I tend to err on the side of
there's something to it for real.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to argue the point. See what else
we got? Just, you know how much time we we probably out of time,
so we're not gonna get to a lot of this stuff. Let's
just do a couple more. Yeah, we are. We are getting up there.
We're done. Couple more. Okay. Let me try. Chris Cochran. See
if he's got anything. Just all he's got to do actually is more
of an interesting point about are the opens. Yes. Does
MailChimp count opens on an iPhone, they better? And they
do. Because most of that I think is like 70% of the people that
nowadays, you know,
that's nice. We didn't really talk about we didn't really talk
about the newsletter, which is I think an important part of our
model.
Yeah, no one really asked about the news. I'm asking you
about the newsletter. It's it's something you do twice a week
with the it'll take a lot of effort. You don't just whip up a
newsletter. Sometimes I do. No, you don't.
But the newsletter it came about because
well, it's important that we need to remind people what's
coming up, we got to show and,
and I mentioned something that the other podcasters don't ever
think about this for you guys. You're invested in your podcast,
you're doing it daily, you're doing it weekly, whatever you're
doing, occasionally, nobody else but you is thinking about this
podcast, they will forget about it, they may enjoy the podcast,
you may think it's fabulous. They may send you money, they
may buy products, they may use your codes, but they're not
thinking about it. They're not like when Tuesday morning comes
around in Europe, your podcast is not on their mind. So they
really do need to be reminded that you exist. And not just
once in a while they have to be routinely reminded that you
exist. Now I knew this. But I didn't do the newsletter until I
don't know two or three or four years into the donations thing.
And I just started doing a once a week newsletter, I knew it
would it did Jack up donations. Not always but it did enough so
that you had to do the newsletter because once you see
the difference between the your income with the newsletter,
without the newsletter, it's obvious you should have to do
this damn newsletter because people just don't want they're
not thinking about you as you're not the most important thing in
most people's lives. And then at the point at where I was was now
I felt I could do twice a week. And I know if I did a third
newsletter a week, you would probably help too. But that's
the reason is to keep people is keep you in their thoughts. It
has to be done. But like
everything we do, it's entertaining. You try to put
some of them nice spin too. I try to make it funny. You do
things that I don't think and I don't think any other broadcast
organization would put together a product like you do.
No, because he gets fired.
Yeah. Why is that? Why did people get fired over things
that are clearly successful? It's very puzzling to me. It's a
fact. It's the puritanical nature of broadcast.
No, it's the it's the incompetent nature of
broadcasting executives. There you go, is the execs you're
hired as suits, they're hired for a job and they you know,
everything reflects them. So something went styles with some
bad version of the newsletter. You know, some of you put the
wrong cuss word in there or something. as offensive or
somebody came back, they don't come back and
worse, the advertisers start complaining.
Yeah, well, that's what it always
is. That's what it is. We don't want to piss off the advertisers
who are God in mainstream and in all commercial
broadcast. Couple more quick questions. James abule. What are
the dude's name Ben? We thought everyone knew but it's a it's a
computer sis up sysadmin.
Here I got it. I
think this is the clip. It is the closest the Treasury
Department Inspector General has come to acknowledging potential
criminal wrongdoing and the lowest learner affair.
Are you investigating any potential criminal activity? The
entire matter continues to be under active investigation. Yes,
sir. For potential criminal activity. Yes. Event
revelation during a rare late night hearing in which the IG
disclosed his office has obtained a 32,000 Lois Lerner
emails from backup tapes stored at the IRS as Martinsburg, West
Virginia facility. IRS officials have maintained that the emails
were gone, destroyed in a hard drive crash.
I'm advised the actual hard drive after it was determined
that it was dysfunctional and that with experts no emails
could be retrieved was recycled and destroyed in the normal
process. Last
night's testimony suggests the IRS made a less than vigorous
attempt to track down the emails. And then when
you go talk to the IT people who are there in charge of them.
They told you that they were never even asked for them. Is
that correct? That's correct.
Oh, crap. It's not on that clip. Gosh,
no, that's a totally different clip I never heard before. Oh,
man, I can't get learner's got something to learn or she's the
one who said that's what they had in the beginning of that
clip about learner. How this Yeah, the minute Kinder Well,
now
the missing clip?
Yeah, it's there. You got it somewhere. Let me get to Rebecca
sharpies question. What is the email situation? What is the
proper address to send emails to the no agenda show for donation
notes? Well, if it's a donation, it should be your note should be
in the Pay Pal. Box, which is offered to you after you click
on the button. You go to a second page and there's a box
there says or even on the first page, it says note to do vendor
or something like that. And more
important than this is best done on a computer. Because I think
there's a different experiences that pop up on mobile phones.
Maybe Sorry, I'm saying Yeah, maybe. But there's a box.
But she she also asked and did you just send it to no agenda
show@dvorak.org for anything else, but you could get lost.
That's the problem. Now, where do you send top secret
information? That is, far as I know, it's sent to Adams using
his PGP keys, right?
Pub key.curry.com. And that is and that works. And I'm very
careful with what people send me on my own email server and
anonymity is a short if you send it to me and specify that
he says the email situation is confusing, a confusing mess and
needs a formal guide. We'd need a formal guide for a lot of
stuff. I think the glossary would be another good example.
So people get a clue. I I'll tell you this. I've been working
on a fac o on FAQ for about a year. And I keep forgetting I'm
working on.
Okay, do you want me to put it on the list and remind you from
time to time?
And it might that'd be a bad idea. Okay, Jason rice, I
switched over to my own email server for your mailings and
haven't had an issue received since then. Oh, good. Yeah,
well, that means it's not working at all using some sort
of blocking or blacklist and we're on the list. I guess what?
I
wonder what he set up. Yeah. It's not working. Yeah, cuz
MailChimp. They they're pretty good. They have. They have all
the authority and they paid all the all the shysters. They're
vague to get delivered. So usually it should come in
Jim Buell says, Is there any reason you attach so much
significance to the number 33?
Good question. Yes. This goes back to what was the name of the
series Rubicon.
I think that's a good point. Yeah, maybe Rubicon was was part
of this rubric. Go ahead, which you can get by the way, I think
they bet they put it back up on amazon.com. Good. I would watch
this series. But what it does is it expresses this codes that
people use in the intelligence community is not to just
communicate, but the signals mostly signaling. And we believe
33 we've, we believe this for a long time. But in fact, we had a
segment on the show for a while we're adding would read from a
Google search almost on every show for about a, I don't know
about six months you do this, all the 33 references that are
in the news, which is still probably not a bad idea once in
a while. And that is your idea. And one of the things that we've
noticed is that 33 crops up in very strange places for very
strange reasons,
at least 33 killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo
freight train Justice League number 33. See, this goes on and
on. Yes, 30 threes everywhere.
And so we've decided that is signaling but we don't know what
it's signaling. We have ideas, when it might be signaling. We
don't know what but we do mention it. And we're
preoccupied with trying to figure this out. And it's
gotten, you know, it may be coincidental that the 33 level
Mason had something to do with it or somebody, but I think
that's mostly they just took that number for that reason. It
might be a nod to the Masons, I don't know, we don't know.
But it's but if you see it in a news report, it's you just start
noticing it. And it may also be just a cop out on journos part,
just like add a third 33, something like that. But it pops
up in all these official notices and stuff that often already
smells like bullcrap to us. Like, okay, there's a 33. Just
pay attention to it. That's all. Just pay attention. It's a
little signal, and you never know. Maybe have time for two
more.
Okay, two more would do two more and sorry for everyone else who
wrote in but I think you'd get your money's worth anyway. Well,
here's one. This is kind of inside baseball by Magewell.
Gonzalez Gonzalez. Next again, do you really have to sort
sounds for the night things? I always find it surprising that
John can find his keyboard. Or, but No, he can't face you'd say
can't find his keyboard but finds his sword sound. There
this explained the producers ship is not really the same as
Hollywood, because producers never get the economic returns
from the show. If you know Hollywood
knows. The only thing we can't give you is you know hookers and
blow. Although those are if you're a knight, that's what you
get both producers chips. Now. Yeah, you said it. You said it
best. If you know how Hollywood works. But you are you're doing
this because you get value out of it. So the value you receive
is what you put into it.
Emilio Hernandez says what is the process for selecting jingle
worthy, jingle worthy jingles worthy for show debut? Can both
of you talk briefly about your background? So we did that
already? And how they helped you become the best podcasts?
podcaster for the best podcast in the universe, I think we'd
discuss a little bit of that. But what about the process for
selecting jingles? I'm not sure what he's asking. Well, like if
he had a jingly that he put together oh, here's the here's
how
it works. You send it I listen to it. If it's shit, I'll say
thanks. It might use it might not if I think it can be fixed.
I'll give you feedback. That's pretty much it. It's yeah, it's
probably used about half the jingles were sent. Did you think
that's a good number?
No more than that. I'd say more.
Okay, he wants to do some jingles. That's my guess. But
just do a few because it's like the art. Okay, well takes a
while to get the hang of it. Cliff factcheck false bullshit
that's one mother. I'd like to shadow to the gate to the gate
to the clinic Noma training sciences
there's just a little smorgasbord of variety that you
could pursue.
And I have one last question. I'll just read this one. Where
in the world is Victoria Nudelman. Kagan mathway.
We have that one.
We don't know where she is. Yeah, we think she's retired.
Now she's doing Look she's up to no good
yeah, Victoria Kagan Nudelman
All right. I think that'll do it. Well, that was time worthy.
walk down
memory lane. Yeah. It's kind of odd. It's kind of odd.
Yeah. Well, we we will be back to deconstructing very soon. We
have another special show, which will not be like this one coming
up. And then we blast off until the end of the year. God knows
what's going to happen.
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