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Wait a minute. You're telling me the drought is over.
Looks like we're getting pounded here.
Oh pounded is certainly Jerry Brown. You don't mean pounded?
Oh, you got slammed.
botulin half of the shingles on my roof have blown off last
night. Oh,
really? Oh, man.
I'm waiting for them to fall down and crush some of the stuff
in my backyard. Actually,
actually half of them or just
Lots. Lots.
For those listening on the stream. Thank you for hanging in
there starting a little bit late. Some technical
difficulties, but these will be discussed in tech news today.
Actual tech news about some technological issues. Yeah.
Well, we are over clipped today. It's obvious.
I don't have that many.
Yeah. And you kind of do.
I don't have three pages.
The. So of course, we have the inauguration tomorrow. And it's
interesting that we have the show today. A lot of people
won't hear this until tomorrow, I think. But I'm pretty sure
everything's going to be okay. With the inauguration because
crazy things only happen on show days. It doesn't happen on an
off show day. So
yes. It should be a fantastic observation. It should
be okay. Yeah. But the narrative, if that's what you
want to call it, that the certainly the mainstream media
here in the United States of Gitmo nation has been pushing is
a legitimate, a legitimate and yes, we're already talking
impeachment of you. I'm sure you find it. I actually I got a
number of these things.
I don't have any of the impeachment clips because those
are stupid. Yeah, the
well, the impeachment stuff. Kind of all flows out of
shoeless, Shoeless Joe Jackson there. What's his name? John
John Lewis, John Lewis, Shoeless Joe Jackson, exactly. Who has
come out and has called the president elect a illegitimate
candidate, and people taking this very seriously because, of
course, he is a very serious guy. You know, he was in the he
was in Selma. And he, he was a
vacation enough?
Yeah. Actually, maybe I'll start with this. Because let me see.
Here. Let me get the the impeachment thing. That's
probably the best place to start. So we have where are we?
Here we go. This is Chris Matthews on MSNBC. And he is who
does he talking to hear me say? Well, let's talk about where
that leads. Oh, yes, this is Maxine Waters. Now, but when you
hear her another fine example of parallel universes, you know, I
love them. But
let's talk about where that leads to. Congresswoman, you've
raised a good point here. I guess for you. It's important if
we find out that somebody on behalf of Donald Trump was on
the phone or an email relations with somebody in Russia or the
emergency of the ambassador to America from Russia, and there
was some sort of as you call it, collusion, then what does that
make Trump subject to impeachment? What do you mean by
non legitimate? Just generally what you mean by the term? Well,
there was a connection, there was collusion your term?
Well, here's what I'm trying to get to. If we discover that
Donald Trump are his advocates played a role in helping to
devise strategy. If they are the ones who came up with crooked
Hillary, if they're the ones who came up with she's ill,
something's wrong with her energy. And the way that he
basically, you know, described her in the campaign. I think
that is something that would put the question squarely on the
table, whether or not he should be impeached. Is this
is this woman insane? That is insane. So if Hillary Clinton
had won, then Donald Trump could have gone for the Republicans
could have gone for impeachment because they called Trump
Hitler. I mean, it she for real. And she's an actual
representative of she's actually
voted in just she's, she's actually a woman,
chuck, chuck chip, Chuck Todd of MSNBC, spoke directly to
shoeless John Lewis, about this issue. Can you imagine ever
sharing a stage with Donald Trump?
Donald Trump came to you and said, You know, I want
forgiveness here. I want your trust or I want your you know,
once you take them to Selma,
well, the old I go into Selma, like President Bush, President
Clinton, President Obama, maybe he would learn something, maybe
he would get religion. So you would bring him? He would? You
would? You wouldn't do that for him? If he asked. I would not
invite him to them. You wouldn't invite him. But if he asked to
come, would you let him? I wouldn't try to do anything to
prevent him from coming. If he's
not a legitimately elected president, your mind. There are
tools that Congress has tools. Do you think Congress should use
those tools? You think that oh, are you one of those that
believe that
the NDP talking about McCain?
I'm sorry? No, he's talking about impeachment as a tool. Oh,
I
thought he was talking about McCain and Lindsey. No, I said,
there are two tools. Do you think Congress should use those
tools?
Do you think that oh, are you one of those that believe that
the impeachment process should begin?
Well, I truly believe that we should find out what happened
and how it happened. John McCain wants a special committee will
select committee. Senator McCain,
yeah, hell freezes over. We got John Lewis agreeing with John
McCain. Now I have a three part short clips from former Black
Panther Mason Weaver. Are you familiar with Mason Weaver? Is
he really? Ever heard of him? Okay. Well, he was on with
Tucker Carlson. And he has a lot to say about John Lewis, which
some of it certainly in the second clip, we have discussed
many times on this program. But he has a very different view of
who John Lewis really is now. He is heralded without a doubt, as
you know, as the Civil Rights guru, correct? No. He is.
Everyone's talking about how you cannot say anything to him and
yet
he's the anointed one. You can't he's
annoying beyond reproach. Err. Okay, he's been word. He's
beyond reproach, except for the Black Panthers, who also
happened to be in, in a lot of those protests with John Lewis
here is former Black Panther Mason Weaver
in the early 70s. And late 60s, we were demonstrating and
protesting for the right to compete as adult citizens in
America who are not demonstrating to be taken care
of better. Now, Congressman Lewis, he must foster a Pettus
bridge. And they beat him and ran over him. But those were
Democrats. It was Democrat George Wallace students cool
house yard. It was Democrats, bull Connor's that oppress folks
in the Democrats had voted for the litmus test called the
Lizzie test. And the poll tax he was fighting Democrats. But
after they beat us behind on that bridge, and ran over him
and stomped him on the ground, he got up and turn and joined
them. He joined the oppressors and became a stool for them,
where he was now sitting and presiding over the destruction
of the black community to destroy the black men.
Destruction of the black woman with drugs against he has
presided over the worst school system in a world where black
people are learning only began prep. I'm outraged at that the
demonstration that he had early in his life has turned to a
subrogation of his rights and authority anti black leader.
Of course, neither you nor I could say that publicly because
we would be excoriated if we and we have no knowledge of what
happened.
This is interesting. This clip because I'm noticing this this
meme that's going around and I think the best example of I
don't have clips because I didn't catch into just play this
one. I realize it's out there we can look for it. This to paint
the Democrats as unchanged ah, since since the Civil War since
pre Civil War witness they were the ones that were for slavery.
They're the ones around the southern the plantation owners
are the ones who have caused a ruckus until the Republicans
came along to replace the Whigs as the ones who eventually ended
up freeing the slaves. The Democrats are one of the guys,
Mark, Mark Levin and Mark Levin. When I was driving her out
obviously, if you were getting Mark Levin was on a unbelievably
interesting rant that had been had been prepared and citing
every Democrat anomaly and including the including
rewriting the idea of the Southern strategy where Nixon
and and the Republicans took over the South using various
kind of hidden meanings to double entendres and whatever to
to get the black haters. Well, we
we've, we, of course, have discussed many times that there
was this switch and we've traced some of that back to Archie
Bunker. And how, you know, the, the white collar, grouchy,
douchebag racists misogynist guy who was sitting in his armchair
yelling at the TV was a Republican all of a sudden
instead of a democratic
Well, instead of a Democrat, which he should have been.
Archie Bunker should have been a Democrat by all accounts witness
clip to
so when you say he's presided over Are you speaking of his
congressional district,
not just his congressional district, but the congressional
communist black caucus that has every defeat they own and
control is a ghetto hellhole is a place that no one wants to go
to their control of every inner city school system. Every inner
city police aiming and it's any jail. They have produced nothing
but drugs and misery, black owned businesses, black owned
housing, they reduce their presided over the destruction of
black people, they should be ashamed of themselves. And I
don't understand why any black person could be a Democrat.
Well, John Lewis, bless his heart, you know, it took courage
to do what he did in life. But what he has done now he has he
has turned himself to his enemy. Lucky, like a little girl being
beaten by daddy and George daddy, like an abused woman been
by her but he joins the husband. He has joined the enemy he has
joined the oppressor and what he should do if you are a real man,
John Lewis of your real, real hero, you stand up tomorrow
morning, and you look at other people and you apologize, you
have lasted two decades of hell you you should apologize that
you made a mistake, saying he tried to work with them. But the
Democratic Party has always been the party of abuse. Always been
a part of the clan, the party with the war to keep slaves. The
party has always been the destruction of black people. Mr.
Lewis, you have presided over the destruction of black America
and you owe us an apology.
I wish this guy wouldn't hold back, you know, much better. I
love that. So
what is this guy's name? Again, his name
is Mason Weaver. And I while you're looking at up here's
research. Yeah, here's, here's a here's a wrap up clip
he's more concerned about about Trump being the illegitimate
president. But John Lewis is the illegitimate congressman, I've
seen that he has gotten rich, as people have gotten poor. The
black caucus has gotten more power and influence. And the
black people that preside over has gotten poor, more drugs,
more gains, less business, less homeownership, less education,
more jail, more drugs, the worst black people are the poor we are
the stronger and stronger the Congressional Black Caucus is
the more powerful democratic are, the worse off black people
are? So I'm just saying I'm a citizen of America. Looking
around my country. I'm saying that every place you find black
people and Democrats, you will find poverty, you find disgrace,
you find a delegation, you find no job to find a place that is
good only in the unknowable. That's his legacy. All right.
Good one.
And did you find out more about him? No, no, I
still look at now. Okay. He's got a Twitter account. Let's go
look at
that. I thought that was uh, you know, we've talked about
Democratic Party and that way and their history, and maybe the
history will now be discussed a little bit more. Maybe Maybe
it's coming to the forefront on Fox News. I don't know about any
but anywhere else. In fact, I've noticed a lot in this in this
rift in this split of the universe. The most apparent and
really the the most disturbing rifts are between black people,
black Americans, then starting
to it's actually very entertaining. Yeah, you see a
lot of
it. I have a have kind of a fun one.
By the way, just as an aside, somebody pointed out the rift
actually be kicked be started to become bigger and bigger. When
they started the Hadron Collider.
Once they flipped that thing back on, everyone went nutty. I
know. I know. I'm all in on that, you know me. So President
Elect had but of course he's not he's nominated, were appointed
Ben Carson as the Housing and Urban Development Secretary
Brandon, Ben's been having a tough time getting confirmed. If
you haven't seen it, the clips are too boring to play with. If
you haven't seen it, as you know, he's definitely picking on
him a little bit. And as a part of Carson doing that, a Trump
also invited Steve Harvey, the comedian and game show host.
What I think a lot of people don't know about Steve Harvey,
is that he has he's a huge philanthropist. He has a sizable
foundation with his wife. I looked at the 990. And they did
in 2014. I haven't seen 2015 and 2016 yet did two and a half
million dollars and it's all from from you know, reasonably
mediocre donations. But he gets from BT and you get from Coca
Cola and so you know, there's it's not like, total douchebag
money. No, it's
not like the way Sharpton does it? Yes. Yeah. Well, I
have a charging clip too. He also was homeless for three
years. And he's been very, very instrumental in working
certainly with kids in the inner cities and the inner cities in
general. The guy you know, yeah, he's a game show host but do you
think this is I knew this I thought it was pretty well known
about him. Apparently on CNN, they don't. And here we go. Now
there's there's four people in this segment. Three of them are
black, the one that's white doesn't even talk that is the,
the lawyer Girl What's her name? Kaylee, Kaylee McEnany. We have
Mark Lamont Hill. And just listen got
this clip. I congratulate you. Thank you. I've heard about this
clip, Steve, not from not about the clip that you just made. But
I've heard about what you're going to play because I know
what it is because the right wing talk show guys have gotten
ballistic over this.
Well, I hope it's the I don't know if it's the clip you're
talking about. But I'm sure it is. Here we Carvey
went to Trump Tower. It's taking a lot of backlash for meeting
with the president elect. What do you make
of this controversy? My disagreement is the way in which
he's being used by folk like Donald Trump again, intention is
just to have a seat at the table. But when you're at the
table, you should have experts at the table. You'd have people
who can challenge the President at the table. I don't care if
Steve's there. But if I'm Steve Harvey, I'm bringing Michelle
Alexander. I'm bringing Cornell West. I'm bringing Imani Perry,
I'm bringing Eddie Glaude. I'm bringing Michael Eric Dyson. I'm
bringing some folk with me who can challenge the president and
inform the conversation. Otherwise, you're just saying oh
my god, because real quick because all because they keep
bringing up comedians and actors and athletes to represent black
interest is demeaning. It's disrespectful and it's
condescending, bring some people up. There was some expertise
Donald Trump don't just bring up people to entertain mark, you
weren't even there. You
know what happened? Okay, okay.
Are you disagreeing that he broke up? Or you just weren't?
You weren't in the room, sir. How did you get there?
How does that negate my point that he brought Steve Harvey and
then put them in front of the
pastor Daryl Scott, Michael Cohen. They are in the process
of bringing all types of people from all over the country from
all different backgrounds, like we have the the member of
diversity coalition where we reach out to all different types
of people.
It was a bunch of nd negros being dragged in front of TV.
That's really that's really the beauty part here. A bunch of
mediocre negros being dragged in front of the TV at
Hardee's immediately, but he's also referring to all the
Negroes that have been dragged there. Jim Brown, the football
player, yeah, me everybody respects he's also unassailable,
mediocre. So beat the crap out of this guy.
Mediocre negros that's crazy being
dragged in front of TV as a photo op for Donald Trump
exploitative campaign against black people. And you are? Are
you going to so now you want to name call mark?
Let me back mark up here because marks make an important point.
Important point. Making an important point. Talking black
people are diverse, okay, and for to only engage actors and
comedians. And you know, reality type folks, is not engaged in
diversity of black people in America. So again, I would like
to see Donald Trump bring some policy analysts and real people
with some meat on the bone for the issues to the table. Dang,
if you do 10 seconds burgers. What do you mean Dang, if you
didn't do
that, you could actually bring qualified as an expert and he
brought Bruce in. No, it's fine. Yeah, how
can that come to the Democrat side of this debate? It has no
problem with all these did no nothing celebrities coming
forward and expressing themselves and they never
complain about that. It's
because of the split in the universe. And you see completely
different and but I think most egregiously, is that the that
Harvey he's quite a philanthropist in his own right
and he's worked a lot with inner cities and so be his Harvey is
one
of those guys that just works his butt off yeah,
yeah
yeah he's got more than that the game show too he's got a talk
show Oh, he's
got tongues this is off white good. Yeah. By Avi just saying
wow man
is mediocre Negro apparently that is too funny Mark Lamont
Hill is going to eat crap for saying that he should he should
mediocre no mark Lamont Hill started off
we could have no agenda T shirts for our black listeners mediocre
Negro it's great it'd be
it would sell. Yeah. Mark Lamont Hill really got his start with
the while he was a professor someplace he got his start with
O'Reilly on Fox. O'Reilly would bring him on as the counter the
counter argument. And he was and he's always remarkable for being
extremely fast on his feet of fast talker. He's actually
slowed down a lot of fast talker, a quick thinker and he
was very good. Nobody can really deal with him. And then he got
got the idea. I think that he's he's a celebrity. And he started
doing he gets kind of split off from Fox and wanted to get I
think is at one point trying to get his own show. And you know,
he's really takes himself very seriously as a as a great
pundit. But, you know, everybody screws up. I think it was a
screw up.
I think he's gonna pay for it. For sure. For sure.
Okay, it's like the deplorables comment. Yeah, the remake neuron
right. Just a bad bad idea.
So people are already gearing up in in DC for tomorrow's J 20.
Which will be followed by J 21.
Right. There will be different movements.
Sharpton is already there with his what's his what's his
foundation calling in
the call? The actual network from dummies? That's the one
here is
we have carved this much on for non negotiable issues.
All right, you got to pin. Yeah, that's right. For non negotiable
issues, voting rights, voting rights.
Do we already have that? So that would that number one is checked
off? Okay. Good to go. I'm
just ringing the bell.
Criminal Justice and police reform.
Criminal Justice. Unbelievable. I think criminal justice reform
is already taking place. No, it's
just beginning. Okay.
equal and fair. Economic Justice. Oh, and we have fought
with
equal and fair economic justice. I
don't know what economic justice is.
I mean, everybody has money.
Okay, um, the justice and the Affordable Care Act. We come to
Washington, from all over this country. And some of us went to
Sanford, Florida, and stood up for Trayvon Martin, and we go
stand up Fred Garner, and we go stand up for Walter Scott. And
there's like, there's maybe 50 people standing in front of him.
The crowd is quite small as raining and people like,
we go stand up for Tamir Rice. You may switch presidents, but
we just gonna switch legs and keep on marching. We won't back
down. We won't be trapped. We won't be trapped. We won't be
trapped.
And the feeling that I'll make an intake dropped and we won't
be trumped. We won't be trapped. I have a feeling
that I'll play it again. It doesn't have to hardly sounds
like
we won't be trapped.
Stay trapped.
Now he's saying trumped. We won't be trapped. We won't be
trapped. I have a feeling that'll show up in the end of
show makes one of these days. Yeah. Huh. Now the so the J 20.
We want it I want to talk about in a moment. But first for the
21st this is the big Woman's March, which is it's kind of
it's getting a little complicated.
Yeah, I believe no White's allowed dates. Well, yeah.
black activists are telling white women who are also
marching, they need to check their privilege. So that could
be some riffs
to check it. There's no booth. They will be there. There may
be some riffs internally, the one of the CO organizers of this
March. That's the the Muslim Muslim ah, as you would say in
Europe. She was on MSNBC. Again, just to kind of reiterate in
this short clip January 21,
what's the first thing you want? Either President Trump at that
time or the Senate or as you were mentioning the house to do
for all of these marchers because you have a sense of what
the pulse is from the marchers?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, first of all, hands off the Affordable
Care Act. We need our health insurance hands off Planned
Parenthood in our reproductive right, hands off, Muslims hands
off the undocumented. Those are really our top messaging lines
hands off our Native Americans Since I'm brothers you will see
a plethora of speakers reflecting
plethora is it plethora? Is that the correct pronunciation?
Well, I would pronounce a plethora, plethora plethora,
maybe acceptable I have to look it up. It's possible he does
multiple pronunciations for a lot of words,
but it kind of sounds cool actually. plethora, plethora
contrast.
Sounds like a science fiction care.
There's a plethora of controversies about it, you
see a plethora of speakers reflecting all the progressive
and social justice issues in this country.
John, all the progressive and social justice issues, every
single one hands off, everything says
I'm Brother, you will see a plethora of speakers reflecting
all the progressive and social justice issues in this country.
It's again, one of the most intersectional movements that
you have ever seen. intersectional movement as
the intersectional thing again, which means everybody's there
and no one will agree. That's pretty much the way I see it.
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Oh, beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. That was worth 10 minutes
of clipping that. The women of the view my beat short clip,
don't worry. They were all wearing their pussy hats. Have
you seen the pussy hats?
God, it's wrong with these people.
Yeah, there's a lot a lot is wrong. Welcome back.
So you'll notice a couple buzzword pink hat. Yeah,
I missed that can mess up her hair.
But you know, Saturday, there's this gigantic Woman's March in
Washington. And as it turns out, it's not just Washington, it's
all over the country. So you know,
women there was that you're not just you're gonna be no petite
women are normal size 10. It's
all over the country. So you know, you know, we're wearing
pink hats and celebration of this march of women are not
holding anybody down. And we want you to know that we want
you to have a great day, whatever day you pick, and take
a little time to enjoy the view.
Oh, yes. Enjoy the view. So what has happened definitely is a lot
of women's organizations are asking for money. There's just
tons of money requests coming in. Certainly, for the for the
the 20th of March on the 21st. And they've got thing, it's like
it's what is going on in DC. It's really, it's like just
partying. No, seriously, because I looked at the rundown. And you
see I have it here somewhere. Yeah, here it is the rundown.
And you know, there's all kinds of tranny parties and dress up
parties and whoop, and we're going crazy parties and
outrageous dress parties and and just to everyone's free and
crazy. And we don't care parties. Which Yeah, I know lots
of people in the gay and lesbian and transgender community. They
love to party. They love to dance. That's that's the way
they protest. Meanwhile, the J 20. Is the more depressed the J
20. Is sponsored 100% by the workers. World Workers
Party. Oh, yeah. That operates that's the same as a answer a n
s w e. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And a bunch of other movement. That
guy that guys are in New York, they have a lot of websites that
are
he had the main, the main one is workers.org. That's the main
one.
And they are all time socialists, that Bernie Sanders
type socialists from the 20s and 30s.
Yeah, they're they're really about socialism. I mean, it's a
national socialist. Yeah, the real the real deal. And they're
the ones handing out the signs. They're the ones that are
setting everything up. And it's interesting though, I got a an
email from because I subscribe to all these newsletters if I
can. I got an email from them asking for money. And they find
it rather odd because they had a GoFundMe, the goal was 10 grand.
And as of this morning, was it like $3,000? I'm not quite sure
why they were even asking for that in that manner. Because
they seem to have plenty of money. I don't know what that
was. Just have no idea. Yeah, I really, really don't.
Something's up. Yeah. Of course. We have some counter actions
going on. And this is this is the bikers for Trump, who have
taken it upon themselves to Make sure that there can be no
disruptions. I know some of these guys, certainly the
Rolling Thunder, New Jersey, or I think is Rolling Thunder New
Jersey to or something like that. Let's listen to one of the
spokes guys for the bikers for Trump on I think Fox. That
sounds
like a confrontation to me, Chris.
Well, the bikers are certainly used to being outnumbered I'm
sorry for this audio. That's not me. It's just how it came in.
And
we are prepared to form a wall of meat. But we're confident
that law enforced wall of lessons and that's it, it's the
he'll come back to that and Chicago and an Arizona. And if
it's anything like it was in Cleveland, they're going to have
to, they're going to have things under control. We're
anticipating a celebration here. We don't anticipate any any
problems. We have a strict code of conduct where we don't
condone violence. But again, in the event that we're needed, you
can certainly count on the bikers for Trump to form a wall
of meet
up a wall of meat. That's an interesting phrase. I believe
you're going to be vastly outnumbers, outnumbered, anti
Trump groups are reserving in terms of parking spaces. I
understand they got far more than the pro Trump people. Is
that accurate?
Well, again, we're used to being out numbered and we're very
confident we are group is full of, you know, the backbone, the
biker community as the veteran. And so these are guys that are
really used to backing down but you certainly won't see bikers
out there screaming calling for the destruction of private
property or the death of police officers. We're going to be
throwing the halftime inauguration rally at John
Marshall park that will kick off shortly after Donald Trump exits
the stage to go into the Capitol. And it will end shortly
before the parade on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Why are you such a big supporter of Donald Trump?
Well, like Donald Trump, the biker has an outspoken nature.
And so as Donald Trump came on to the political scene, the
biker was looking for someone outside the establishment,
someone that was going to stand up to and call it what it is.
Radical Islam is one of the biggest talking points of bikers
for Trump, illegal immigration, and one of our sweet spots is
getting behind the American Veteran. We believe it's
incumbent upon all who understand the value in the
sacrifice of our servicemen and women, that we are there for
them. And we've got to change these policies now.
Chris Cox, thanks very much for joining.
That should be an interesting show down because I gotta tell
you,
yeah, it usually involves stabbings.
Should I point to exhibit a Gimme Shelter? The movie if you
if you want to know what could happen? Just ask Mick Jagger.
Yeah, exactly.
So I don't know. I don't know if this is I don't know what's
going to happen. Although I do know that. And I didn't clip it
because it was just it was so stupid. But Tucker Carlson had
the had the guy on who posted the ad. If you go and you'll go
fight the fight against Trump and I'll pay you was it 2050
like $500 a mani baloney guy? Yeah. And guys discredited?
Yeah. No, Tucker made fun of him. It was it was pretty good.
Actually. He kept talking about how what's the quarterbacks
name? Well, hold on. Tom Brady. No, no, no, no, no, he was he
had the the last night tiddle Um, no, he had the last name
right. But he had what he messed up the Oh Peyton Manning
Manning. Yes, it's a want to say Chelsea Manning but he kept
saying Peyton Manning so I didn't even clip that it was
just too stupid. So that was that was debunked properly. I
was very good. And,
you know, I think know how long Tucker Carlson can keep up this
torrid pace. What's making that show work? Yeah, I always like
to credit Tucker, but it's actually the Booker.
Yes. He's got a really good he's got a great Booker. Absolutely.
Absolutely. And we should credit her or him on the show sometime.
We should find out who it is. Yeah, that's a person the unsung
hero and
you're right. They are the is the booker
you don't have a good book or you're you suck and is used that
suck. And it's not you at all. Did Well, Obama did have a you
know, he had his last supposedly I don't know how many last press
conferences. Well, I
know this. This was his he had his last speech. And now this is
the last press conference.
He already had a last press con now. No,
it was a speech with questions. You see, it's very different.
Well, he had his last press conference. I didn't get much
that one clip out of it that I thought was interesting. Ah,
yes. Is that Trump apparently when he gets in, he's maybe
going to kick the press corps out of the White House.
Well, the idea and I have a follow up clip to this. The idea
is is to make more space for more people, for more
journalists. And if you look at that, of course, I've watched it
every day, if you look at the the current press corps room,
it's very small, it's packed, people are fainting from time to
time. But of course, this will be moving to the building next
door. And that is obviously seen as usurping the power of the
press, the fourth estate, whatever you want to call it.
Well, Obama made this fantastic plea. And I think the only thing
I can think of that would be behind the plea and he's doing
he doesn't on an off handed way, he's really good at saying one
thing, but directing it at somebody that nobody knows, but
play this clip, and I have some thoughts on this.
And you have done that. And having you in this building has
made this place work better. It keeps us it makes us work
harder. No, it doesn't. You have in made us think about how we
are doing what we do and whether or not we're able to deliver on
what's been requested by our constituents. But there's a
difference between that normal functioning of politics, and
certain issues or certain moments where I think our core
values may be at stake.
For our core values may be at stake John Doe, John, this
is more valuable. First of all,
I'll tell you why. Hold on. I know you I want to hear what you
have to say. But let me just add to this a quick clip from Josh
Earnest, addressing the same issue. I pulled him through the
earnest filter. So I shortened as many spaces as I could.
I alluded this in the in my long comments at the beginning about
how the United States has a rather unique arrangement
between our government and the independent media,
mainly by making them not independent. That's
the fact that all of you represent independent news
organizations, and have regular access to the white house owned
by three corporations have regular access to workspace
where you can. Oh, they have a
workspace John, they all have no workspace I'm sure in the new
building, have the
venue where you can enter the room, the briefing room at
almost any hour, that would not change I don't think and can
hold people in power accountable is really important. Isn't that
what the whole point is you also have access to senior White
House officials right through that door. Oh, right up the ramp
outside that door, you can come into my office. Good luck, I'm
sure I'm sure you can just burst through like on the West Wing
hood. Hey, CJ, let me ask your question
at a moment's notice, to ask questions and demand answers and
demand transparency or, and as I mentioned earlier, sometimes
it's a little inconvenient. Sometimes it's uncomfortable.
Sometimes it's frustrating, because you're dissatisfied with
the answer that we've given. But it's necessary for the success
of our democracy. And I think there are some clearly it's
necessary for the people who might say, John, that? Well,
this is it's just symbolic that you have the White House press
corps in the White House. And I would say it's a really
important symbol. It's more than just symbol, some guy's house.
It's almost symbolism, but even taking that argument at face
value, there is something symbolically important about all
of you gathering here every single day, to hold people in
power accountable to demand answers to demand transparency
to demand facts. And your ability to do that is going to
be affected if fact, you don't have regular access to the White
House, if you're not able to do your job from the White House.
And if there's not a natural, readily available venue for you
to hold senior officials accountable. So this is a this
is a again, a relationship that President Obama believes is
important to invest in sure he made this a priority.
Sure, sure.
He did to priority to have him in there. Yeah, priority why? I
know why. Well generally possible reason they make such a
fuss and I guess Trump was never read in on it. The places
bugged.
Well, they can bug the executive.
No, they bugged that press room that thing is so bad. It's
probably every network connection because they can put
their little computers in there. Everything's fine.
It's all set. Oh man, we got to move all the ball the mics and
the end and the taps and the and yeah, the Ethernet.
else would you make such a fuss so they can be close to so they
can drop in on us at a moment's notice. And so we have to answer
their pointed questions.
That is all crap that is not what the resistance thinks this
is about. You are aware of the resistance I presume?
I have heard of them. I don't know why. What did they think
this is all
about? Okay, well, first the resistance, which now this came
up on a face bag post. Tina, she she was sad. She did it. But
she's learning she posted A second Project Veritas video
where you hear these, these disruptors saying, Oh, we're
gonna go throw butyric butyric acid into the Press Club. So
they'll stink it up. And we're going to, you know, the chain
trains and block tracks and all this stuff and had and wanted to
do nothing and one of the commenters on her posts actually
said, I don't see what's wrong with it. This is just like the
French Resistance against Hitler. Take that in for a
second. Wow, take that in for a second. And this is a meme. And
the resistance is something that people are talking about on the
bag for sure. And of course, that is led by no one, no one
less than Keith Olbermann.
I'm Keith Olbermann, and this is the resistance. Trump's banana
Republicans have proposed that White House press briefings be
moved out of the presidential mansion and held next door at
the executive office building and why should you care for one
damned minutes? Yes, ranks. Priebus says it's a great thing
because the result would be quote about quadrupling the
amount of reporters that can cover the White House. And
certainly that sounds like a wonderful intensification of the
bright shining light of a democratic free press on the
operation of the commander in chief and his noble staff, the
more the better, right. Just the way it works in Russia, a giant
crowd of reporters screaming for the leaders attention, making
signs indicating what organization they belong to, and
even signs and props indicating what questions they intend to
ask. Some of them showing exactly the kind of objectivity
and respectful skepticism a free press is supposed to bring to
the coverage of government at its highest levels. And yes,
she's a self described journalist at a Putin news
conference holding a picture of Putin ripping off his shirt to
indicate he's actually Superman. We are just a few steps removed
from the contestants trying to get MC Monty halls attention
during the taping of the old game show. Let's make a deal.
This guy needs some new cultural references. I think, though I
would never want any comparison among Vladimir Wow, Donald Trump
and Monty Hall. I have respect for Monty Hall. Look, I don't
know the last time anything at a White House news conference or
anything done by a White House correspondent actually
contributed anything measurable here coverage of a president not
since Sam Donaldson used to make news by bellowing questions at
Ronald Reagan and Reagan condemning himself by refusing
to answer them. I also think that if traditional journalism
contributes in any way to the prevention of dictatorship here
now, it will be by the grunt work fact checking laws, news,
legislation and departmental orders and checking legalities
and confronting it administration's lies with
facts. The next Woodward and Bernstein will get there not at
the news conferences but by skillet filing Freedom of
Information Act requests. But the idea of quadrupling the
amount of reporters that can cover the White House is a
Trojan horse with a lot of Trojans. Ha ha Firstly, there is
the Putin likes spectacle. The bigger the room, the more room
for twirl staffers and hangers on and for want of a better term
Trump plants. Trump gave this stunt away at last week's news
conference, he packed the place with people applauding for him.
And they have as much right to be at a presidential news
conference as with people booing him, and that amount of people
is none. quadrupling the number of so called reporters at the
news conferences. And you have suddenly created another stop on
the Trump perpetual campaign rally tour, quadruple the number
of so called reporters at the news conferences, and you
suddenly make it easier to ignore the reporters with actual
questions, as opposed to the ones carrying signs showing
Trump wearing a Superman shirt. Okay,
so you get the idea. The
whole thinking keep that guy to a minimum on the show. Yeah,
but I just it was about the resistance part. And then, you
know, they he they the resistance, believes this is
about making more room for shields, shields and it's very
much like, modeled after Putin you say? Luckily
dantian Yeah, it's the bugs. And I
liked I liked the theory. It's not it's probably not even
theories, right.
It is not unusual. I mean, Lyndon B. Johnson bugged his
Oval Office. They used to do this constantly. And it's not a
it's nothing new to the I know, they just not that it's a
stunning idea. It's just so obvious.
Luckily. Jake Tapper, of course, he was fired from ABC News after
he was a douchebag to the President. We all remember that.
He went on Seth Meyers show a Trump hater. Although I kind of
like his show. It's just tiring. And yeah, you
can take you can watch it for a few shows in a row. And then
it's like, whoa, wait a minute and say we're repeating
material. Yeah, a closer look very much of a just Trump. Hey.
Here's tapper on Seth Meyers talking about the relationship
which we just heard was so fantastic. And President Obama
actually encouraged everything and he said everything happened
was great. And we love the press. And
it's interesting also, because I remember when the WikiLeaks
happened. This is about WikiLeaks was a White House
correspondent like you, Margaret. And I remember the the
White House was so outraged. They were so angry. They were so
convinced that these rooms and
I'm sorry, this isn't the this isn't the Seth Meyers thing.
That's not the one I want. That's a different one. Seth,
here it is. Seth Meyers.
One of the things that happened during the first Obama term when
they go and I'm not, I'm not saying these things are
equivalent. But the Obama White House went to war against Fox
News. And they tried to say that the entire organization was
illegitimate. And it wasn't, you know, this anchor is a jerk or
this story is a lie, or whatever it was this entire organization,
including hundreds of reporters and producers who were just
doing honest work, people I knew Major Garrett Bradbury, people
who are good reporters. And when they were doing that I
challenged them for that, specifically, because it's an
important principle to stand up for. We're all supposed to be in
this together. And you can't just like, say, Well, you know,
CNN, if you're with an organization that's not CNN, and
you watch them just destroy us or trying to destroy us, just
because they don't like the story, which is again, proven to
be completely true. Then your next Yeah, your next if you're
doing your job, and you have a story that they don't like.
Yeah,
yeah, we remember that. Remember that? Yeah. I remember President
Obama saying Fox News is crap. faffed. Can't watch Fox News
does horrible is that's fake to no good liars. We could go to
WikiLeaks now. And actually more Chelsea Manning, but I have a
something that popped up this morning, which was very dark, a
very dark piece on CNN. At the same time, it was actually it's
beautiful. It's a promotion for entertainment. Of course, you
always have to throw an entertainment promotion there.
And it is some putting some fear in there that really what the
question here is, what happens if there's a terrorist attack
during the inauguration, and everybody's wiped out? I mean,
these are the things you should ask if you're CNN, of course, if
everybody's wiped out, then what have who's in line who is next,
who will actually become the president, somehow Biden gets
in? No, it could be worse actually. And this will end as I
said, it'll flow into a nice promotional piece for Designated
Survivor which is on ABC, but this is a CNN piece, who is the
designated survivor. If everyone dies tomorrow,
just about every measure of America security apparatus,
including 28,000 law enforcement personnel will be on the ground
in Washington when President Obama hands off his office to
Donald Trump on Friday, on near army in place to protect the
leaders of all branches of government gathered in one place
outside. And while officials stressed there's no specific
credible threat to this inauguration. Tonight, due to a
quirk in America's rules for succession questions remain
about just who would be in charge if an attack hit the
incoming president, vice president and congressional
leaders just as the transfer of power is underway.
Here you have a very confusing line of succession there,
according
to the Constitution if the President and Vice President are
killed or incapacitated, Next in line is the house speaker, then
the President pro tempore of the Senate. But what if something
happened to them at the inauguration to after that it
goes down the list of Cabinet Secretaries starting with
Secretary of State on the day of the inauguration as a
precaution, a cabinet secretary called the designated
presidential successor will not attend the inauguration ready to
step in if something happens, but it won't be a Trump cabinet
secretary since none of them have been confirmed yet. It will
be an Obama appointee. No word from the White House on who that
will be on Friday. Does the line of succession switch to the new
president's lineup at noon
and the inauguration you have two lines of succession one for
the Brock Obama administration which is still in place, and one
which really won't be in place until Donald Trump is
inaugurated comes into office and actually formally nominates
in the Senate confirms his people. You might actually end
up with the President's from the prior administration execute
because of a treasury
adding to the confusion by noon Friday all
Did you hear what it was in the background of that clip? If you
listen again, so while they're saying while the guys talking
there's a clip of President Obama being inaugurated the
first time no the third time and they cut out he says I will
faithfully execute and they cut him off right there. I just
weird just this is like a minor thing listening administration
execute, because if you can hear it in the background, it's been
about to actually end up with the president from the prior
administration execute because of a treasury,
adding to the confusion. By noon Friday, all of Obama's cabinet
secretaries are expected to resign. John Kerry, the current
Secretary of State would be the first cabinet secretary in the
line of succession, but he's out of office by noon. Donald
Trump's pick for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson may not be
confirmed for another week or two. So who would be Secretary
of State on Friday afternoon rotos according to State
Department sources, the job would fall to the highest
ranking non political official in the department. The
Undersecretary for Political Affairs, Tom Shannon, one of
the most obscure possibilities is that someone who is an Acting
Secretary of State someone lower down the line and Secretary of
State State Department today assumes the Acting Secretary of
State position is in the line and the worst happens and that
person becomes president at least for a while, but the
uncertainty
creates the potential for chaos, high theater, or a hit TV drama.
Sir, you are now the president of the United States.
In ABC is designated survivor Kiefer Sutherland plays an
obscure Cabinet Secretary unexpectedly thrust
you get the idea. So first of all, wow. Who decided to put
this together?
Maybe it's a native ad for ABC.
That's the only thing I could think of because it keeps on
going and going about the ABC show, which is okay. I mean,
I've seen it a couple episodes. I was following it for a bit,
and I got bored of it. It's not watchable. And I'm really only
thought that was good to put in there, I guess.
Well, let's transfer this discussion to Manning. Yeah,
good. Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning. Yeah, it's a shame he
retired. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm thinking Chelsea Manning.
Yeah, just a quick precursor. I'll just play like 30 seconds.
The news media had this a week ago. Because they, all of a
sudden, they started talking about it started talking. This
is from January 11. on NBC. Was Chelsea Manning a spy.
She was not. She was an individual who I think we count
on. And in America, she was a whistleblower. She was somebody
who turns to like so many other whistleblowers, a journalist in
order to reveal information that the American public not only
should know, but needs to know.
Army Reserve Officer, David Coombs, was Manning's defense
lawyer. He convinced her to plead guilty to numerous counts.
So that goes on and on and on. And they talk about possible
pardons. And this was a week ago, all over the news media.
I'm pretty sure it was leaked. Maybe maybe to give them more
credibility, like, oh, yeah, I'll give you guys some that'll
actually have
it. I think it'd be less more likely to do that to see what
the reaction would be
as a trial balloon. Good idea.
Yeah, but I didn't expect that reaction to be so screwy. I
mean, the here's I have the short, I have a series of clips,
we have the short clip of Obama announcing it. And then it
doesn't really say that much. Although he may, he makes one
point in there that the Republicans don't seem to
accept. First of
all, let's be clear, let's be clear on Chelsea Manning, as
served a tough prison sentence. So the notion that the average
person who was thinking about disclosing vital classified
information, I would think that it goes on punished. I don't
think would get that impression from the sense that Chelsea
Manning has served has been my view that given she went to
trial. That due process was carried out that she took
responsibility for her crime point that the sentence that she
received was very disproportional,
disproportionate relative to what other lawmakers had
received.
And the points he's making in there were directed at Snowden.
Oh, yeah. And this whole thing, in fact, NBC was who I now think
is pretty much carrying the ball for the agency, the intelligence
community, more so than CBS. I think had probably done the best
job of of kind of presenting it as something that's okay, now
that we can do this. And I have a couple of clips. There's the
NBC on Manning clip. And then I think it would follow that with
the Snowden angle. NBC on Manning sorry.
He's tried to commit suicide last year. She is currently
incarcerated in the male military prison at Leavenworth,
Kansas. Was the government able to point to any specific damage
as a result of the releases from Chelsea Manning? No, they
were not. And we had secret sessions of the court martial,
where that would be the place that the government would do
that. And the answer was no, what they would be able to show
and what they did show was certain diplomats had their
feelings hurt. Certain countries were upset
Manning's 35 years sentence is the longest any leak Er has ever
received. But not everyone supports the decision. A senior
US official tells NBC News Secretary of Defense Ash Carter
did not support the commutation At her trial. Manning apologized
for her actions, but that apology was never heard outside
the courtroom until last week when NBC news broadcast it.
So interesting is it's not a pardon, but a commutation right
off.
Yeah, well, yeah. Well, I think they needed to keep make sure
that she remained guilty of charge of the charges that just
cut the sentence down. That's all it is. Right. Right. But
they got her out before the 35 years for pretty much doing
nothing. And I liked the idea of this guy saying, Hey, we looked
at this. All that happened was a few diplomats feelings
were hurt. feelings were hurt. That's the best part. Oh, my
feelings were hurt because we I was calling people douchebag.
So NBC goes on and they send they just sociate the whole
thing was snowed in eventually, but let's skip over to PBS. And
they had actually a complete report. That wasn't wasn't too
cloudy.
President Obama today also commuted the prison sentence of
Chelsea Manning for passing classified military and
diplomatic files to WikiLeaks. The former US Army Intelligence
Analyst is serving a sentence of 35 years. She is one of 209
inmates who received commutations today, another 64
received pardons. Charlie Savage is covering the story for The
New York Times. Charlie Savage, remind us what Chelsea Manning
was originally charged with.
Hi, yes, thanks for having me on. So when Chelsea Manning was
arrested in 2010, and charged with passing documents to
WikiLeaks, she was charged with numerous accounts of violating
the Espionage Act, and also was charged with aiding the enemy,
which is essentially the military justice systems version
of treason. She was convicted of the Espionage Act charges most
of them, but was acquitted of aiding the enemy. And she was
sentenced to 35 years in prison, which is dramatically longer
than any other prison sentence ever carried out in the American
justice system for leak case.
And do we know why the President decided to commute her sentence.
So there was a briefing call with senior White House
officials after these commutations and pardons were
announced, and we senior White House official, we weren't
allowed to name them under the ground rules, described a little
bit of the President's thinking about this. He said, Look, she
admitted that what she had done, was wrong and apologized for it
and expressed remorse, and has now been serving nearly seven
years in prison for it, and most people who have been convicted
of the leak case in leak cases, it's been about a dozen, most of
them in the last eight years have been convicted have been
sentenced to you know, one, two or three years, not 35. And so
part of this was also the equity of making the sentence more in
the range of what other people accused of similar conduct have
received.
So the question is what signals does this send tonight the
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has issued a statement saying
quote, this is just outrageous.
Okay, so let's stop there. And then play a douchebag for Paul
Ryan. You know, the thing that I should outrageous everybody else
is like they said, getting one two or three years that she's
gotten 35 And this is outrageous. They let her go
after
seven. The thing that gets me in this because
there's nothing in these releases. You've read them
they're just a bunch of dumb memos. Hey, there's dinner
tonight. Yes, cables,
and people are saying calling other people, you know,
officials and they're like, Guys an asshole. I mean, the main
thing, the main thing was the video. We have the helicopter
gunship with the audio of the guys, I can't really blame them
because it's saying, Oh, they're they're in a war zone. But
they're like,
yeah.
That's really the
optics are bad. She's very, but but
here's the thing. Chelsea Manning, leaked all that
information to WikiLeaks. So here's what's crazy. If you look
at the bag right now, you got the bots going. Oh, so fabulous.
He's so good. How Obama? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, Queen? Yes. Yes.
But yes, Chelsea, but at the same time, the same people are
saying WikiLeaks is crap. They change the emails is bullcrap.
It's not legitimate. They have to choose one or the other. You
know, you can have both ways. Here's Jake Tapper. This is the
clip I played earlier. It's
interesting also, because I remember when the WikiLeaks
happened. It was a White House correspondent like you, Margaret
and I remember the the White House was so outraged. They were
so angry. They were so convinced that these reams of documents
1000s and 1000s of pages of documents, logs from Iraq. flogs
from Afghanistan, we're going to reveal to our enemies, sources
and methods individuals named in these documents. Now, I don't
know, if there have actually been any victims as a result
that you could clearly say, this was WikiLeaks, and therefore
this person in Afghanistan or Iraq died? I don't know. But
that's
absolutely right. That was the argument that had greatly
compromised US national security, and that you had to
make an example out of this sort of thing.
And I will say that the way that Senator Cotton describes Private
Manning, is how the White House when I was a White House
correspondent described Private Manning as well, they were
furious. They were outraged. They could they thought that
that those of us in the press who were reading these
WikiLeaks, that that we were doing something wrong by by
reading them.
And if I recall correctly, it really put WikiLeaks on the map.
That particular case those files made WikiLeaks famous,
especially the gun to ship video.
Yeah. So yeah, it's just it's, if anything, this is confusing
people more brains. And heads are exploding everywhere because
of this.
Well, NBC going back to NBC, they end up moving the argument,
they split the argument a little bit, and they try to move it
kind of to Assange. And then just Snowden. Because they want
to make this association they really want they're really going
after Snowden. And in another big way. And this, again, this
is the reason we believe or I personally believe that the
Russians are big a hole since 2013, when this all began the
anti Russian stuff. Because of Snowden, because we don't have
an extradition treaty with the Russians and whose fault is
that? I don't, so it was. So the Russians really don't have any
they can't just grab this guy and send him off there. I don't
know what they what we expect. But let's play NBC on Manning
Snowden angle.
Sources inside the intelligence community believe the reason
Manning sent us was so stiff was because Edward Snowden was
massive leaks came to light just as Manning was being sentenced.
Snowden was beyond the reach of the US and Russia. Manning paid
the price. A petition for a pardon from Mr. Snowden, with
over a million signatures was not acted upon by the White
House fester.
So they make that connection and they use their one of their best
hit people to do it. But let's just do now let's play this is
the NBC Snowden Putin. They bring Putin and Putin Trump
everybody's everybody's brought into this clip.
Alright, Cynthia McFadden in New York. Thank you. And speaking of
Snowden, his current home Russia Today Vladimir Putin came to the
defensive President Elect Donald Trump, breaking his silence
about those unverified allegations leaked about Mr.
Trump last week. Well here at home more Democrats are joining
an inauguration boycott with just three days to go. NBC is
Hallie Jackson has more.
Tonight from Vladimir Putin a perhaps unsurprising response to
those salacious but unsubstantiated allegations
about Donald Trump. Rubbish The Russian leader says defending
Trump and his first public statement about that report. I
see Putin accusing the Obama administration of trying to
delegitimize Trump working to solidify a political partnership
even before it officially begins Friday, Inauguration Day. But
dozens of Democrats will be boycotting the no shows now
numbering more than 50 scattered reports of boycotts popped up in
1973 with Richard Nixon and 2001 with George W. Bush, but nothing
that reached this level of coverage sparked by comments
from Congressman and civil rights freedom writer John
Lewis, who despite saying this would be his first missed
inauguration, also skipped President Bush's in 2001.
He then attended like so many other members of Congress to the
present President Bush was a friend of mine, and he got
caught in a very bad life. So let's see what happens as far as
other people not going that's okay because we need so badly
demonstrations already starting in Washington. At least 99 of
them planned this week, some for most against with the different
public protests coming from a top intelligence official CIA
head John Brennan taking serious offense to Trump's accusation he
leaked sensitive information and suggestion intelligence agencies
use Nazi like tactics. Brennan telling the Wall Street Journal
when his integrity is challenged, quote, that's where
I think the line is crossed.
Oh, my goodness. Oh,
Randy was never mentioned. Of course. No. But he took offense.
We can take you can take a powder. He's our gym. Yeah, he's
and he's
gone. pencil pusher go away. And you have one more PBS man and
clip you want
Yes. It's the way that PBS thing finished up and I thought that
PBS, again handled is probably better than the other networks
were just kind of glossed over a bunch of stuff tried to bring
their hit people in to just do guilt by association measures
like this Putin thing. And like Halle says, All unsurprisingly,
Putin came to his defense, which I just thought was offensive.
Yeah. Okay, Manning on
PBS do tonight the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan has issued
a statement saying, quote, this is just outrageous. He says
Chelsea Manning's treachery put American lives at registry
expose some of our nation's most sensitive secrets. And he says
the president now leaves in place a dangerous precedent.
Those who compromise our national security won't be held
accountable for their crimes. That's one
of many statements like that coming out of Republicans on the
Hill. We haven't heard yet from President elect Trump on this.
But that same is reflected by what other people like Senator
McCain and others have said, I would say is a point of just a
clarification. None of the documents that Chelsea Manning
leaked were classified above the merely classified level. That is
to say none of them were top secret. That was another thing
that the White House was stressing today and comparing
her to Edward Snowden, who President Obama declined to
pardon. So that to say they're some of the most sensitive
secrets is an exaggeration. And also Military Prosecutors all at
the at her court martial did not accuse her or present any
evidence that anyone was actually killed as a result of
her leaks. On the other hand, the government did scramble
afterwards to move some people out of harm's potential harm's
way, who were named in some of the documents as having helped
American diplomats or troops in very dangerous countries, lest
they come to harm. So the fact that no one was killed didn't
mean that it wasn't indeed putting some people at risk. And
she has apologized for having done that.
Yeah, well, okay. It was a very different story seven years ago.
Very, very different.
I have a couple of more clips that will play later, again,
where they, as these guys leave their rewrite. They're doing
that. And by the way, when Obama finishes thing is last press
conference, it would have been nice if he had said, you know, I
had pride, I feel disappointed in myself, because I had
promised to shut down get Mo and I was unable to do it. It was
more complicated than I thought. I didn't know there's gonna be
so much resistance. I'm sorry, I didn't miss the one thing I
didn't. He never does that. never apologizes for any of his
failure to the bank. And that's one of his take it to the bank
things. And anyways, I just found that kind of
disappointing. And I find it very disappointing that the
Republicans are all in on this, let's punish this poor Chelsea
Manning person who now leaked a bunch of funny memos, as far as
I was concerned is more humor than anything else. Because she
put all this stuff at risk, and there, and meanwhile, Obama put
more whistleblowers in jail than anybody ever. Yeah. Okay.
President history. And nobody says anything about that. And
yet we're supposed to be protecting whistleblowers that
are that are citing corruption and government. That's what
they're doing. I don't know. I just find the whole state very
disappointing end of year, and I'm very disappointed by like, I
didn't even give us a crap. But I just think that Paul Ryan and
McCain and incredible
they are doing Rosie O'Donnell, who of course, is part of the
resistance. She says, hey, you know, Trump has a legitimate
candidate. So why don't we just have someone, you know,
temporary president and her idea was John McCain. Yeah, well,
Rosie O'Donnell should just choose our president, that's
fine. I'll wrap this up with kind of a tease what we'll do
after our, what we'll do in the B Block, as finally an actual
journalist came out and said something really good. Bob
Woodward, of course, one half of the Watergate reporting team
that brought you the Watergate tapes, and the whole story, etc.
And he is talking here about the golden shower dossier.
Why do you think and this is something we discuss with both
of our guests of the way that the intelligence community
handled the so called Russia dossier? And overall, how do you
think of the way they've handled Donald Trump? I think what's
underreported? Here is Trump's point of view on it. And you
laid it out when those former CIA people said these things
about Trump that he was a recruited agent of the Russia is
full full. Yeah. And a useful fool. I mean, they started this
and in Trump's mind, he knows the old adage once the CIA man
always the CIA man, and no one came out and said those people
shouldn't be saying things so then act two is the briefing
when this dossier is put out. I've lived in this world for 45
years where you get things and people make allegations, that is
a garbage document and never should have been presented in is
part of an intelligence briefing, as you suggested other
channels, have the White House Counsel give it to Trump's
Incoming White House Counsel. So Trump's right to be upset about
that. And I think if you've looked at the real chronology
and the nature of the battle here, those intelligence chiefs
who are the best we've had, who were terrific and have done
great work, made a mistake here. And when people make mistakes,
they should apologize.
Yeah, it would be nice if he said that on some
Wow, LD guy give me a borderline Tip of the day for bringing that
one to the fore. And we know you know he has he is in the fraud.
All that we can figure out he is a CIA guy. Totally. So he's not
coming out to I would just want to remind people, he's not
coming out just on his just yakking away about something he
just casually he's been given the go ahead to do this. Do
this. Yeah. So there's something there. That may be what you
talked about earlier, because we know Brennan's just a douchebag
or the guy, you know, just Obama appointee have pencil pusher,
and it could be the rank and file. The second you know, that
second or third tier people to give given him the go ahead to
do this. Which means that they're maybe not as antiTrump
over as you suggested. Yeah. As I said, which is, would it and
Glenn Greenwald suggested that the whole agencies just hates
Trump, but it may not be true
may not be that bad. Well, with that, I'd like to thank you for
your courage and today in the morning to you John C. C stands
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I'll do that. The tickets didn't come through. That didn't
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one of the celebrities. That was that supported Trump supported
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Well, you recall that I also that we heard and before all
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the Trump administration will be evaluating all press credentials
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Well, I think they do that anyway. I don't believe for a
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I'm sure I'm sure that they don't call on people for sure.
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Quick PR mentioned here. Excellent if it's really
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haven't seen any no agenda inauguration meet up. Let me
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know the seed guy will be roaming around with his info
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See if you can get that to get something together. I think it'd
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I have a little aside here. You know there's one show that
people cite a lot. And it is and it's kind of competitive with
our show. Although it doesn't. It's not really Oh, I can't wait
to hear this. Well, you've heard the show us call on the media.
Oh, it's not at all. Not at all like our show.
No, it's not at all like our show. But people like to compare
it to our show because they do media get deconstruction and
sometimes they do it well. But I always felt it was like
everything else that you run into on NPR. It was in some way
or other slanted. And it was just another couple of liberals
going on and on about stuff that the way they see it not
completely in the other dimension. But I may take that
back. They may be in the other dimension that you always talk
about. When you hear one of the two hosts. In this particular
clip, which is the on the media depressed do declares on the
media. I'm Brooke Gladstone hype and
I'm Bob Garfield, in our editorial meeting this week,
even through the speakerphone connecting me with the team in
New York. The staff detected in my voice a slight suicidal
despondent. Why so glum chum? They wanted to know and I said
it's just that we're also it's hard to drag my sorry self out
of bed in the morning. This is when producer Alana Casanova
Burgess chimed in. Bob Have you read hope in the dark. She was
referring to the book of encouragement and call to action
by left wing activist philosopher Rebecca Solnit, who
expresses optimism about the future based not on naivete or
denial. But on lessons of history. Solnit is impatient
with despair, not only because it paralyzes political action,
but because she says it is historic Clean indefensible
historically indefensible, well, this whatever she says he's that
Nazi reference or what is
I don't know No, I don't think so. But this guy then does an
interview with her and they talk back and forth and he asked just
to earnestly to have a read from the beginning of first chapter,
who was she again,
she's a she's actually a local around here, she's, I think, in
San Francisco, Berkeley. She's a writer, you should look her up.
First of all, Solnit Sol ne t, just look at her. She is a
unreconstructed hippie. She's about 70. She looks like a
depressive. And so but she's really uplifting in this book.
And so they have a read from it. And I want you to hear her in
the second clip, because this is a person that is, I think,
definitely in a different dimension. Because if anybody
thinks that this is a her, she's reading from the book in her
uplifting way, much like if you went to a speech where some guy
was just getting you all riled up, and it was, you know, he
went out to sell some product or, you know, on behalf of the
company, and he or she goes, tell me how good you feel after
listening to this.
And there's mutual wailing about how bad everything was a
recitation of the evidence against us. One exciting
opportunity the left offers us as of being your own prosecutor
that just buried any hope and imagination down in a dank
little foxhole of curled up despair. Now I watch people
having it wondering what it is we get from it. The certainty of
despair is even that kind of certainty, so worth pursuing.
Stories trap us stories for years, we live and die by
stories, but hearing people have the conversation is hearing them
tell themselves a story they believe is being told to them.
What other stories can be told how do people recognize that
they have the power to be storytellers, not just
listeners.
Oh, hold on a second. shoot myself in the head after that.
Here's a here's a here's a better way of of listener
yelling
about how bad everything was. A recitation of evidence against
this looks perfect.
Wow, she's she's No wonder she's depressed. Oh, my goodness.
Anyway, so this to me is the again, this is not an objective,
an objective show, and I don't see how anyone could get
anything positive out of it. If this is the kind of, again, it
sounds like you're in this other dimension, because this is not
an uplifting little spiel, by any means. This is Jesus's
pressing person. This
is rampant. John, this is rampant. And the other
dimension. I certainly don't live in that dimension, but I
can visit it. They are desperately hoping that
something happens. I think that's why the CNN MPs Oh, we
can't even stand losing the Obamas and the Clintons. Okay.
It'd be a loss, but at least Trump wouldn't be president.
That's what's going on here. People wishing death, and Ill
will
try. No, they want everyone dead. They themselves seem to be
somewhat dead. Now. I can barely get out of bed. Hello, normal
person in this situation with this show on the media. They
would have said holy crap, we're going to have nothing but great
material.
That's what we that's what we said, yeah. Oh, it doesn't
matter who wins. We're happy to show go
on forever. But no, they're so invested in the political
system. So their whole personalities tied up in being a
Democrat. I
know. There's an interesting piece in Politico, while
actually in may not was that interesting, but it's being
passed around the face bags a lot. And the title of it is he
has this deep fear that he is not a legitimate president. And
what politico did is they brought in 1234354 or five
journalists who were on the on the beat, who covered Trump, who
covered him in 2000. And just covering all the time, and so
they give their opinion about him. And the headline comes from
from one of these journalists who just just up and says that
with no with no actual find the piece here
with no backup with no proof with no,
it's not even that. Here he is. He's always this is for the
Dantonio whoever that guy is Dantonio. What's his first name?
Anyway, Dantonio says this is a person who has never known
whether anybody wants to be around him. I'm gonna second
here it is. He has always kind of gaming the system not in my
view, winning on the merits and even his election was with
almost 3 million fewer votes than his opponents. So he has
this deep fear that he is himself not a legitimate
president. And I think that's why he goes to such great
lengths to D legitimize even the intelligence community. So
that's just conjecture. But every single journalist who and
I don't know if they taped audio My God would love to hear what
they were talking about. Every single one is bitching
consistently about one issue. And you know what it is?
Twitter. They cannot stand that he goes around them. They can't
stand it. That is that is the number one problem. The hate it.
It's not protocol. It's not tradition.
Yeah, well, they're the conservatives.
And Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone magazine who I like, I don't
know him personally, it seems actually seems personally seemed
like a douchebag. But the stuff he's written about financial
crimes and Rolling Stone magazine had been nothing short
of stellar. He's probably the only guy who really does
anything. So anything of that level of speaking truth to
power, and of course, it goes largely unnoticed because he's
Rolling Stone magazine who gives a crap. And then he went off to
the $250 million WordPress blog, and that was horrible. You
recall, and then he's,
yeah, he didn't last there. No, two weeks, I
think because what he lost the match. So I think it was a CBC
Canadian Broadcasting who went and interviewed him in New York,
and it focused mainly on Putin, Trump, their connection, etc.
You lived and worked in Russia for a long time. What's your
take? Did you know that he worked in Russia?
I believe he was working with Russia on this on this magazine
with Mark Ames. Who I like even better than Ty EV I think Mark
Ames is just dynamite investigative reporter and he's,
he's more. He's more neutral politically. When he in his
writing, then Jeb who's very much of a Democrat, you lived
and worked in Russia for a long time. What
What's your take on all of that? Is he a puppet of Putin?
Well, it's very hard to say. And I lived in Russia for a long
time. I personally remember Putin destroying government
officials with sex tapes. I was there. I remember watching him
when he was the FSB chief, give an analysis of a sex tape
involving a character named Yuri Scara. He's
a little confused. I think it's FSB now but he was a KGB then.
It wasn't a chief. No, he
was certainly wasn't a chief.
They've done this over and over again in their past. And you'll
hear Matt Taibbi has a lot of things wrong, but he's just
heard, you know, just as he's regurgitating these,
the two of them were living in Russia as a couple of of
troublemakers. And they I think they got run out of the country,
probably
Oh, that would make
sense. So this is something they do. However, there's really no
concrete evidence still, that Trump is involved in any of the
shenanigans that have been alleged. You know, there's some
evidence for one side of this equation, which is about Putin's
meddling in the electoral process and hacking the
Democratic National Committee and there are there are experts
who have reasons for believing that he did that, but are better
good reasons. But there's really no concrete evidence that Trump
is in on it in any way or that he was anything other than a
moronic beneficiary of geopolitical whimsy.
I like moronic beneficiary,
a geopolitical whimsy,
beneficiary, moronic beneficiary type, he has a right though he,
he's a he prizes himself as an actual journalist. He says if I
can't prove it, I can't write about it. If I have no backup, I
can't write about it. And he says that has created a two tier
system of media. Certainly here in the United States of Gitmo
nation, we've
had this problem now for over a decade in America, which is that
we have two tiers of the media, we have this sort of clickbait
internet tear where anything goes and all kinds of material
circulates and it's been accelerated by the social media.
And then we have this upper tier what we call the legacy media
where theoretically we don't do things like that we check we
verify we don't put things that are, you know, dubious or
knowingly untrue. But what we're allowing them to do now is Ping
Pong back and forth. You know, the the legacy media reports on
the on the, the less legitimate media all the time. So it's an
end run around the old protections, and we've had a
breakdown. And because of that
he's forgetting the third tier, which is us who deconstruct the
mainstream.
Well, I think we don't really account we there's not enough of
us, the two of us, that took account for being a tear now,
which assumes that there's a lot of people I think, what he were
more like, native advertising. That's what he should be talking
about. Yeah, he
didn't mention that at all. But he didn't follow up on this. And
you know, if you report you're damned if you do damned if you
don't.
Well, and there's this phenomenon of fake news. Where's
the line between the fake news propaganda, The Real News? I
mean, how on earth the world is changing,
it's extremely difficult because it's very hard for journalists
to pretend that they're that, for instance, there's a news
story that everybody's talking about that you can't confirm.
How do you report on that? If you can't confirm the the core
allegation, that's in the story, but it's news everywhere, and
everyone's talking about it. You can't not cover it. On the other
hand, you can't really cover it either. So it's a it's a
difficult thing. In the old days, a story like this probably
would never have appeared in the network's it wouldn't have been
in the New York Times, it wouldn't have been in CNN.
And we've referred to how the media loves to choose our
presidents for us by highlighting some incredible
Gaff. Here's Toby on that
we've had this this tradition in our campaign journalism, going
back for quite a while now where when a candidate slips up, does
something dumb, we immediately sort of swirl around the
candidate and announced that that person is no longer a
legitimate and viable politician. Yeah, the media, we
in the media, we do that we do that to people like our dean.
Gary Hart was another senator had an affair
of that one. And isn't it crazy that how long ago was that?
That was in that was four years before?
Before Obama, so that was 2004.
I think it was 2001. could be it could be
gore. Yeah. And one one screen that noise disqualified the guy?
Well, kinda what it did is it nothing disqualifies the guy as
Trump has proven. But what it did to me because I remember
this guy very, very well. For one thing, he was tucked up he
was on the cover of all the magazines. He was going to be
the next president. It was a done deal. Right. And he
he got honey potted man with Donna rice.
It talking about hard. I'm talking about
the screw. Oh, and I'm sorry. Yes, Dean.
So this guy was Dean. So he was getting a lot of this is all Joe
Trippi by the way. Who was the I remember, the guy who was
running this this campaign. He was a shoo in. And it actually
had to me i i think he was killed before he did that stupid
scream because he's starting to let it go. Because there were
Whitey lose this election that he do that screen because he
lost some primary a big one. And he's gonna win all these other
states and he screams. It was when he finally showed up
because he was discussed on the print media constantly. And then
he shows up and I believe is on the Carson Show or lannoy. I
can't remember who was running it at the time. But he comes out
on one of these mid late night talk shows. And he comes out
kind of hunched over and he has this red tie on that I swear to
God, at least the way I remember. It was down to his
knees
to tie too long. Bad luck. Trump does that too. He has his ties
are too long.
Well, he anyway comes out with a stupid tie. Then he kind of he's
being interviewed. He's a goofball. Now, he's an obvious
goofball. This guy's not going to be president. He was already
handed down to me for the screen was just the closer that was the
and I was like, I got it. But that's not the reason I can
assure you.
Then we get a little insight on wrapping it up here a little
insight into the press corps traveling with the president and
where he was in the pecking order.
You compare the media to the mean girls that have there?
Yeah, really? Yeah. I mean, I've been on the campaign plane and
I've been one of the unpopular kids has been banished to the
back of the plane to sit with the techies. You know, there are
there are documentarian I know who were filming the other
reporters in the plane who became unpopular with the other
reporters, because that was theoretically off limits. You
weren't supposed to write about what went on inside the bubble.
And so they got to be got to sit in the back with me as well.
Because you have been very critical by the way, the way he
just glosses over that says I sitting back with the techies,
how rude is that? The techies keep the plane in the air, the
techies, the dudes named Ben dudettes named Ben,
though I know but they there are disrespected and thrown in the
back. Oh, totally
disrespected. very bad, very bad. And he just called this
normal because that's where techies belong a hole
in the back with me as well. Because you have been very
critical. I have yeah, I've written about the media have
written about how we cover stories about everything. You
sit there in bed, basically with corrupt politician.
Yeah. And then also that there's this, there's this corrupting
relationship that happens. It's almost like a kind of Stockholm
Syndrome on the campaign trail where you're with the same
people over and over again, week after week, month after month.
And you start to sympathize with the people on the campaign. And
I think that's what's happened over the years and then
reporters and politicians have adopted each other's point of
view, and they've lost much with how ordinary people think and
they don't talk to people out there as much Trump capitalized
on that he sensed that he made us in the media villains.
Representatives of this out of touch ivory tower political
culture. Yeah,
it was an easy target. Getting Yeah, but I like Toby has self
awareness final clip about the sanctimoniously smug, there's
a lot of resentment out there toward these sort of snide urban
especially Eastern West Coast liberal types who people in what
we call flyover America, they view us as snobs who are looking
down on regular people. Yeah, we're always trying to tell them
how to run their lives, even though we can't change an oil
filter by ourselves. There's a lot of resentment towards
difference, that kind of person and this is a it's a class
division that we've always had a difficult time talking about in
this country. We just don't do class very well. And so that's
one of the reasons why this Trump phenomenon kind of crept
up on everybody. It's because this, these divisions are things
that we don't normally pay a lot of attention to sanctimonious
sanctimoniously small sanctimonious sayings sanctifies
Yes.
And John Oliver returns Sunday speaking smug.
I will mention that anyone who is a regular no agenda listener
never had the problem of things like that creeping up on you
know, bully were whatever.
No, no, of course not. Yeah. Just to switch it up. And I do
have some thought before
you do that. Yep. I do want to throw one little thing in a
little clip this in middle of not switching anything I've just
said loan clip. This was from that same on the media show.
Another example of the changing the way. Well, I'm telling you
just play this. It's this. bonus clip,
in many ways is very frightening, but at the same
time means that the future is yet unwritten and it's up to the
media to help write it. unwritten, unwritten, unwritten
disguise
the editor of Think Progress Putin, Putin Putin already
written,
but he's doing it wrong and should be pronouncing the teeth
written. That's that's the one. That's the other one we've
discussed with the Cree. I know that's what the cool kids are
doing is pronounced written from pronouncing over pronouncing,
yes.
Well, he's not a cool kid. Obviously. He
just got a couple clips from Davao the Davao drinking club.
Oh, yes. i And I love me some Davo drinking club. One of our
dude named Yes, dude. Name. Ben was kind of a dude named Ben
homie. See, where is he sent me an email. And okay, I'll look
that up. I'll play the first clip. Yeah, he's actually doing
sound. A couple of the events there. And yeah, he did. He did
sound for the George Clooney breakfast. And he says, I'm a
mom, who by the way, a mall was at least WikiLeaks lawyer. I
don't know why we don't harass her. Remember when they got
married, that she was working? She was a Julian Assange, his
lawyer. Remember that? Yeah. Little problem that brought it
up and then ever brought a little little problem there.
George? She said, she weighs about she can't weigh more than
98 pounds. And apparently she's pregnant. To skip skin over.
Skin over about Yeah. Yeah. Like we always thought she looked
unhealthy. Anyway, a couple of clips. The first one nice little
truth wants to come out from John Kerry here.
There a lot of people here,
Mr. Secretary, myself included, who are walking around with a
pit in their stomach of fear that so many of the things you
just articulated and achieved could be reversed
in a week.
I don't believe there will be. I just don't believe that. I mean,
take around, for instance, if the United States were to decide
suddenly and say, Hey, we're not going to pursue this and so
forth. I'll bet you I haven't talked to all of them. But I'll
bet you that our friends and allies who negotiated this with
us will get together and that Russia, China, Germany, France,
and Britain will say you know what, this is good deal. We're
gonna keep it and Iran and the rest of it and they will keep
that and we'll have made ourselves the odd person that
will have injured our own credibility in conceivably
irreparable way. And it will hurt for the endurance of, you
know, a year, two years, whatever, while the
administration is there, but it's unnecessary, because
so he says it will last during the year or two years that the
administration is there. Well, I think he's talking about Iran.
No, he's talking about the Trump administration. He
actually think he's talking about Iran.
He clarifies it, listen to the whole clip.
Probably irreparable way and it will hurt for the endurance of,
you know, a year two years whatever while the
administration is there, but it's unnecessary because what?
These people these people have dirty minds. I told you I was
gonna be
cleared up. Yeah, I'm going to be active. He's going to try and
get Trump out in two years. This is part of the I'm telling you
this is part of the
denying that that's underway. Okay. But I bet you there's a
regime change plan that's evolving
and no doubt about it. Final speech from good old Joe Biden
at at Davao and yes, Joe is slurring.
But the greatest threat on this front springs from the distinct
of liberal and external actors who equate their success with
fracturing liberal international order. We see the Asian and
Middle East.
I like that the liberal would you say Liberal National order.
Lead played again.
National order
shoot back more Joe
will equate their success with fracturing liberal international
order
liberal international order. I've never heard this one.
We see an Asian and Middle East where China and Iran would
clearly prefer a world in which they their sway. They have
overwhelming sway in the regions. And I'm not mince
words. This movement is principally led by Russia.
President Putin, Russia is working with every tool
available away at the edges of the European project, test the
fault lines among Western nations and returned to a
politics defined by spheres of influence. We see their
aggression against their neighbors sending in so called
little green man across borders to stir violence and stir and
stirs of he's drunk on separatism in Ukraine, using
energy as a weapon, cutting off gas supplies midwinter, no
because they didn't pay the bill Joe raising prices to manipulate
nations to act in Russia's interest, using corruption to
empower oligarchs to coerce politicians. We see in their
worldwide use of propaganda and false information campaign fake
news, injecting doubt and political agitation and
democratic system strengthening illiberal factions and forces
both left and right to seek out its learn and roll back the
decades of progress from within our systems. We even saw it in
this cyber intrusions against political parties and
individuals, the United States of America. What's our
intelligence community all 17 have determined with high
confidence I've been doing present for 46 years, they
seldom use the phrase high confidence.
Yeah, because they never used the phrase high confidence,
except the last time was if aluminum tubes, weapons of mass
destruction
states in America, what's our intelligence community all 17
have determined with high confidence. I've been doing this
for 46 years. They seldom use the phrase high confidence.
Yeah, they
only use it when they have no proof that they were
specifically
to influence the elections. But it's not only the United States,
I need not tell you that has been targeted. You're seeing the
same kind of attacks in the past. Oh, there you go. With
many countries in Europe slated to hold elections this year. We
should expect further attempts by Russia to meddle in the
democratic process, it will occur again I promise you and
the purpose is clear. To collapse the liberal
international order there it is simply put, Mr. Putin has a
different vision of the future. One in which Russia is is
pursuing across the board. It seeks to return to a world where
the stolen poles as well through military might corruption and
criminality while weaker nations have to fall in line Hmm
Well, this brings me to a series of clips
first we got to play this
blue and you don't know why others think news. Why don't you
get job get?
boots on the ribs. All right, bum, bum, bum bum.
So there's this there's a series of news reports that are going
like everyone's doing about Trump and NATO. Yeah, NATO is a
sacred cow. And what they're trying to do is they're showing
that Mattis who Mad Dog Mad Mad Dog Mattis, who by the way, has
got his Titon a ringer over being a board member at
Serrano's.
Oh, the fake blood analysis company bled out system which
had well said but what's his face? Colin Powell also on the
board of that, yeah, there's a couple of Kissinger Kissinger Of
course. Yeah. Yeah. Sakas if Find the Kleiner Perkins
investment.
Well, they kind of ditched it and now it's all Draper Fisher.
That's unload. And Tim Draper and I made a comment on the
Twitter's about this and he just seems to have a crush on this
girl seems to me. I don't know. I know, Tim. Possible. So let's
start with his trump NATO thing because there's a lot of
interesting little deconstruction, little tidbits.
Trump. Trump is kind of really not saying much about NATO
anymore. And Mattis as well, I don't understand. And is there's
a bunch of in this report, I believe there's one PBS I can
figure it out when we start playing it. It's it's kind of a
maybe NBC. It's kind of a hit piece on Trump. But it's like a
support of NATO, which, you know, he says is well placed
play one and well, hundreds
of NATO troops died alongside Americans in Afghanistan. Mr.
Trump had made similar statements during the campaign.
But this latest BB came just days after his nominee for
defense secretary offered a starkly different opinion,
NATO. From my perspective, having served one to the NATO
Supreme Allied Commander is the most successful military
alliance probably in modern world history. Maybe ever.
The Kremlin agreed with the Trump assessment and said NATO's
main goal is confrontation. But it said little about the
President Elect suggestion that he might drop US sanctions on
Russia in exchange for nuclear arms reductions. Mr. Trump also
said he's indifferent about the European Union's future in the
wake of Britain's vote to leave it. Personally, I don't think it
matters much for the United States. Look, the EU was formed
partially to beat the United States on trade. So I don't
really care whether it's separate or together. The
President Elect had special criticism for German Chancellor
Angela Merkel. He said she had made a catastrophic mistake and
taking in 1000s of migrants and refugees. And he said he'll
start off trusting Merkel and Russian President Vladimir Putin
equally, but said that may not last, the chancellor answered
today in Berlin as a thinker.
I think for us, Europeans, we have our fate in our own hands.
The President Elect made his points again, once he is in
office, which he is not at this moment. We will of course, work
together with the American government. And then we will see
what sort of cooperation we can achieve. Everybody's
outgoing Secretary of State John Kerry went further in a CNN
interview.
Well, I thought, frankly, it was inappropriate for a president
elected the United States to be stepping into the politics of
other countries in a quite
Oh my gosh. So let's review for a moment. What I recall Trump
saying is, hey, NATO is outdated. People don't pay their
fair share. That doesn't really do anything good. And I think
arguably, that's right, certainly the paying part.
And the good part may be questionable, too. And as you
hear that further clips where they try to sit where they try
to rationalize what NATO has been doing all these years, you
find there's really nothing in fact, well, it's
it's a resource extraction unit for the big oil companies.
That's what happened in Libya. And mainly the French fighters
that the French fighter planes were dropping huge bombs we were
we remember we were refueling when we refueling and arming or
something but we weren't actually dropping bombs.
Yeah, something like that is clearly also the thing Trump
said they had a quote Dennis screen Quizzing. I don't care
what happens to the EU because they were formed to be our
competitor, which
is true they want it to be yes, yeah. Bigger than it wants to
say that have their own money. Which is, which is the most
important part is having your own money. Yeah, I told you
the euro and they tried to make into Euro oil in euros, which we
don't like it. But that little thing there. This defensive NATO
has me a little bit baffled. And maybe you're gonna help me out
after we hear a couple more of these clips. Here's the one this
is the Trumpers NATO number two,
we get reaction to Mr. Trump's comments from two people with
extensive experience managing Europe, European relations.
NICHOLAS BURNS was a career diplomat. He was ambassador to
NATO during the Obama administration. He's now at
Harvard University and he joins us tonight from London. Mr.
Bird, please start with you. former ambassador to NATO.
Donald Trump says that NATO is obsolete because it doesn't take
on tear unfair to the United States. What's your take?
He's completely wrong about
that. I was ambassador to NATO for President George W. Bush
actually on 911. And on 911 When we were attacked from al Qaeda
in Afghanistan, the NATO allies came to us in Brussels, they
said they wanted to invoke Article Five of the NATO Treaty
and attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. They came
to our defense big time. They all went to Afghanistan. They
bled, died and were wounded for us. In Afghanistan, they're all
still fighting in Afghanistan, we fought the terrorism. I've
done many years that ban of terrorism of the Taliban and
other terrorist groups in Afghanistan. So Trump is Donald
Trump is exactly wrong. I can tell you having been in London
today, people here are just flabbergasted by this interview,
and The Times of London, to basic to denigrate NATO is
obsolete to root openly for the weakening of the European Union,
to castigate Angular Merkel, our strongest friend in Europe. We
have not seen an American president be so openly critical
of our allies in 70 years, and yet he doesn't criticize our
adversary, Vladimir Putin. Yes, of course.
I found it's not
tradition. It's not protocol, our special relationship.
This guy NICHOLAS BURNS, you can look him up. Spoke yet well, he
doesn't like a spook but young spook because he hasn't got the
old white hair yet. But,
and again, Putin adversary he should have he could have
mentioned the first as I recall, the first leader of any state to
offer condolences and any help, I believe was, was Russia. Yeah.
And it may have been Putin. I don't know if it's, if you're
deaf, and med med mimetic, they were the first ones Hey, dudes,
anything you need, we're here.
And they have because they have experience they've had they
know a lot about terrorism. Yeah, Chechnya, all that stuff.
Sure. They got tons of experience. And I just want to
say one thing about NATO. Colin Grodd? Is it Colin Grodd? Colin
Grodd? I think Colin Grodd, if you look at the map is very
similar to Crimea. It is it belongs to Russia. It's a
province. It is right above Poland. I guarantee you, we're
going to see some crap there. Because we're getting close to
the border there with our tanks are was at 4000 troops. First,
first 4000. Lord knows. And they're going to be building up
down the border, which is a Russian province. And you're
going to see a similar issue as with Ukraine, and common Grodd.
Also a very interesting country, for pipelines for passing
pipelines through
Well, we got to get those stopped, those Russians have
given people oil, I'm just gonna happen. There was a couple of
things in here that I thought were kind of brought to mind
anyway, why? What's the deal? Why are we in for warranty?
We're pushing NATO toward Russia. So it is a hostile
group. But I think that if they would be honest with the
American public and say, one of the reasons for NATO, and I
believe this to be true, I could, you know, just an
extension of the guard normal thinking is to prevent Europe
for putting together their own damned army, because every time
they do anything, the reason for NATO is just really to kind of
throw a wet blanket on the Europeans all together, because
they'll just start killing each other again. Yeah. Because
deep rooted issues, certainly the Germans and the French.
Yes. And that's so we have this NATO, too. But we can't say that
because it doesn't solve the Europeans. We can't be honest to
not transition.
It's natural protocol.
Let's go on with this is complaining with NATO clips re
when we join with our allies to whether it's defeating the
Taliban and Afghanistan, supporting those in Iraq to beat
back ISIS to protect NATO when a Russia invades a neighboring
country, this it makes America stronger. It's a part of US
national security. So when you're criticizing NATO and and
saying it's obsolete, you're actually degrading US national
security. And that's what has us all so confused about Mr.
Trump's comments. It's okay to say Europe's not spending
enough, and we need to increase that spending. But we get an
enormous benefit out of the NATO alliance,
just not tradition. It's not protocol.
Again, not really telling the truth here. For one thing, we
have not defeated the Taliban.
And while just while we're on who I'm hearing so much about
Afghanistan, there's a story. There's a retired CIA agent, CIA
agent, John Abbotsford. And he has written he has written a
book. He's been on the talk shows now okay, I haven't seen
him. He says he's written a book CIA in Afghanistan, 30 years of
drug smuggling, and and he says, I participated. We were
smuggling the drugs. And he says there's a desperate attempt by
the US government to shut me up in this court case. And now you
know, the way it works with CIA you have to run everything past
the pickle factory before you can publish it. So he's
obviously having an issue with that, but I think It'll go
nowhere. But I can't wait to read it if it ever comes out.
Well, he's been floating around. Yeah, but you, you'll catch him
on alternative media mostly. Let's go to clip four. And then
we'll that'll be the end of this
rush across the brightest red line and international law by
invading, annexing Crimea, and then dividing Eastern Ukraine
and Donbass. And of course, it's been threatening our NATO
allies, the Baltic states, those sanctuary systems are in place
by Europeans, Canadians and Americans as leverage against
Russia. And the sanctions cannot be lifted until Russia removes
his forces from eastern Ukraine. If it doesn't do that, and if we
give away way on sanctions, Russia gets away with grand
larceny. The European leadership will be furious with the United
States Angular Merkel especially she negotiated the sanctions
with President Putin directly. And so I think it's a very
unwise it gives away American American influence, it would be
a weak policy by the United States, not a strong policy.
When did did you know that Merkel negotiated the sanctions
with the Putin personally? No, I didn't do instead.
I believe it though. I know that
you believe it. But I think it would be nice to know this. And
it first was such a strong bunch of tough guys. Why didn't we do
it?
Oh, because he's our adversary. I've no idea. I do know that.
The German opposition leader, what's the German opposition's
leaders name? Parliamentary Leader of the Opposition? What
is her name now? vog and connect? She says we need to
have a security union with Russia for the dissolution of
NATO. Trump is not the only one.
Again, again, I think this is because NATO is really just a
wet blanket to keep the European because this nonsense that they
held, you know that they helped us invade because attacking one
of us is attacking all of us. So so. Afghanistan was invaded with
the help of NATO. Afghanistan didn't attack us.
Nope. Well, that was from remember the story. First was Al
Qaeda. Iraq then was like, Oh, crap, man. Yeah, no, I mean,
Afghanistan and Pakistan. We just went all over the place. We
are horrible. I want to go back.
And it may be, you know, maybe favorable to keep NATO going to
keep this World War siege from breaking up by these maniacs in
the EU?
Well, they certainly have their own army at play, which is, as
you pointed out, is what was not supposed to happen. So they have
that now, or they're getting it started. Not bad. The one
I do get to buy twice as many ammunitions.
I want to go back to Devo double. But first, something
very interesting happened with our tea. And I caught this
report this morning. And they're not exactly clear on some
things. So I'll interrupt in enlighten
Artie has been blocked from posting content to its Facebook
page. The ban was triggered by an algorithm that checks what's
being submitted online. Artis head of social media has been
explaining to me what happened?
Well, unfortunately, a bot struck as it were, we were
carrying the livestream of Barack Obama's press conferences
final press conference yesterday, as were many news
agencies across Facebook and a channel knows nasty Ashley
Freeman you have which is, in fact part of Radio Free Europe,
it's owned by the BBG, the US kind of government media struck
against us. There was a Facebook bot informed us that they had
claimed rights on this broadcast. So
so the let's just presume RT is indeed a complete propaganda arm
of the state and of Putin. What happened is the propaganda arm
of the United States, the broadcast board of governors who
run Voice of America who run the Russian station, you just
mentioned, they called out, you know, they flagged RTS video
saying, oh, that's copyright violation, because that, you
know, we have the rights to that. So it's the act of
propaganda organizations fighting propaganda
organizations. This is stellar.
Government media struck against us. There was a Facebook bot
informed us that they had claimed rights on this
broadcast. This claim against us brought us over a certain
threshold with Facebook. And we unfortunately were struck by a
Facebook bot and informs us that we are now blocked from posting
any content to our Facebook page, where we have 4 million
fantastic followers. And yeah, for at the moment, we're waiting
to hear from them. So it should be we should make it clear. It
took the AP feed, we're an AP clients and we took an AP feed
of the Barack Obama presser we've done it loads of times We
will continue to do it once once the block is lifted. But
unfortunately, we're looking at a time limit right now unless we
heard from Facebook or can resolve the problem, the
shorter, we're looking at a time limit that will take us through
the Trump inauguration.
So they won't be able to post to the face bag until after the
inauguration. So as
a client of the Associated Press, which gives you these
rights, yeah. And as part of the deal, as opposed to we'll just
steal Associated Press material. Yeah. So they did it
legitimately and then face bag. Just cut them off. Just anyway.
Yeah, well, yeah. And it was, uh, but I doubt it. They cut
them off.
They cut them off, and it won't be reinstated until after the
inauguration. Huh? Oh, someone says in the chat room, the ban
was lifted. That's possible that it already happened. But still,
that is propaganda war. And I like it.
Yeah, cool. Is we have our own system to distribute our
product. As opposed to using I don't know, pod bean or
whatever.
You know, did you subscribe me to pod bean? Because? Because
I'm getting an email every week. Here's your stats on pod bean.
We don't use now I think somebody posted us on pod bean
Nice.
Maybe possible. Can't get too much bent. You can't get too
much bandwidth out of them before paying a lot of money,
no.
And back to Davao for a moment because the most interesting
guest was Jack Ma of Alibaba. And I don't know much about Jack
Ma. I don't I learned a lot about how Alibaba works. They're
really not comparable to Amazon in their their business model.
There is as you'll hear their business model Izmir is more
data or as he says data's But Jack, of course Jack Ma met with
Trump. And of course, that's the first question there in Davao.
And we all have to laugh as well when that happens where a
billionaire businessman meets with another billionaire
businessman trying to make the world better, but it's
apparently a laughable fact.
Let me start with this. Which is to say that you just spent some
time inside Trump Tower in and went to visit with our president
elect in the United States tell us about that meeting.
That's very productive meeting. Much better than I thought than
I expected. What did you expect? Well, I heard
the can't stop laughing. What is wrong with these people? It's
like just the name Trump evokes laughter is very interesting.
Well, I
heard a lot on the watch. Like everybody, I watch all the news
and heard a lot about him. So when I go inside us, um,
anything that but he's three sort of open minded, listen to
what I talk. So I think I'm very happy by results and failed,
where he said he offered subject, let me walk you down.
They seem he's very happy about the results we had.
Can I ask how does a meeting like that happen? Do you call
him? Does she call you?
More or less than? It's more for? Haha? No. What? What is
that? What is it in this universe that we're listening
to? That? These things are funny? Why is it funny? So I did
this
meeting happened. Oh,
does he call you to you? He called you. I mean, that is
not funny. Let's start with that premise. Because it's not like a
great gag. It's not a joke. It's but there's some there's
something about this, like this guy that was on the on the media
that couldn't get out of bed and he was completely so
like nervous. Nervous laughter I guess nervous laughter perhaps.
I don't think it was nervous laughter I think it was as good.
As you know, the men's club kind of laughter where you laugh at
anything this guy says? Because you know that he hates Trump
behind it all. Maybe that's what I'm thinking. Hmm. It was Chuck
Todd, right.
Who was asking the questions. Now there's another guy. I
recognize him. I don't know his mix. Sounds like it's not.
Alright, we'll continue.
Oh, are you? How does this take place? Well,
that's, that's the question. I'm asking myself. Because some
Sunday, I got some requests from people say Jag. Do you want a
meeting the President Elect say, is that true or not? Because I'm
not ready for that. Because I don't know what to talk about.
And then few days later, I got another request. I've got
several requests. And then I saw one email, which were friend has
very sort of specific. I thought about it, I think, yes, maybe I
should go and have a talk. And at least I think President Elect
Donald Trump will be happy to hear what I want to talk about.
So I went and what did you tell him?
About the small business? Talk about agricultural products talk
about the trade between China and the USA. We especially focus
on Todd telling about how can we bring this small business in
America seldom to China? Do you
hear what he's saying? By the way? He says China, he doesn't
say China. He says China just the way Trump says it. China.
Did you notice that?
No, I didn't. But I'll pay attention. Yeah, the
quality is a little crappy. But he definitely just saying China
because sell them to China, through our network, which can
create a lot of jobs for them,
given some of the comments that Donald Trump has made about
China being a manipulator, a currency manipulator. Did that
come up during your meeting?
Well, I think first in America, there's a freedom of speech.
Right? So he can say whatever he wants, and I respect I
understand. But of course, I have my views. We did not debate
about the China us a Trine or toe or manipulation. We're gonna
debate whether or not we actually agreed on something
small business, developing the Midwest, America, helping the
farmers their small business, they're exporting to China. So
we all agree, but something that we do not discuss about the, you
know, the American Job losing to China or met shiner this.
Okay, so you had a nice meeting with him? Sounds like, yeah. And
then Jack Ma, like
everybody who's met with Trump. If you think about it, now,
there's all kinds of burying people try to buttonhole them as
they leave the elevator. They've also they've had a good meeting.
So he gives good meeting, apparently. Yeah. And
the Ma said, yeah, he listened. He's very open. Gee, I don't
know, why didn't they run him out of town. And then Jack, Jack
Ma, gave us his analysis of our system, the United States
system, how we are part of the global community and what we the
choices we made our strategy over the past, let's say 40 to
50 years, but actually longer
Can I share with you my ideas, please? I think 30 years ago,
when I just did graduate from universities, I heard American a
wonderful strategy. They outsource the manufacturing job
service jobs. They outsource manufacturing to Mexico and
China outsource the service job to Indian there's a book called
The World is a Flat
Tom Friedman. Yeah, Alec at the New York Times.
And I think it's a perfect strategy. You know, that the the
American said, we just want to control the IP, we just want to
technology, we just want the brand to leave the the law and a
job for the world. Grace strategy. And second is that the
American International Company has made millions and millions
of dollars from globalization, the Top 10 Top 100 companies in
America past a 30 years IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, they made a
tons of them and the money the profit they've made a much more
than the four largest banks in China put together the moat
China Mobifone China Unicom and whatever you name it put
together still these multinational companies made
more money bet so their market cap grow more than 100 times in
past 30 years. But where'd the money go? This is what I'm
curious. Because as a business people, I always care about the
balance sheet where the money coming when money go past the 30
years, the American hat 13 was spending $14.2 trillion the
money going there? What if they spent a part of the money on
building up the infrastructure, helping the white cars, the
white collars and blue collars, no matter how strategy good it
is? You're supposed to spending money on your own people. Right
on the left, everybody can pass Harvard, like me, we got about
education, right? We should spend money on those people who
are not a good schooling and the other money, which I'm curious
about when I was young, I heard America is bad. A Ford, Ford and
Boeing those big manufacturing companies last 1020 years I
heard about is Silicon Valley and Wall Street. The money go to
the Wall Street. And what happened year 2008. The
financial crisis wiped out $19.2 trillion. USA alone wiped the
all of the white colors and destroyed 34 million jobs
globally. So what if the money is not Wall Street? Why If the
money spent on the Middle East, Midwest of the United States,
developing the industry there, that could be changed a lot. So
it's not the other countries steal jobs from your guys. It is
your strategy. Yeah,
exactly. We take the money, and we go attack brown people who
live in the sand. Instead of building up infrastructure.
Yes. Why there's potholes on the road right outside my house on
the highway, US Highway 80 is an interstate highway with potholes
all over the place.
John Cena borax diva day.
final clip. And this is what I don't like about Jack Ma. I've
In fact, I find this quite dangerous what he's doing. He's
building something called EWT. Which is the that's the it's
basically a network that will enable people to connect with
manufacturing sales, etc. That's pretty much what Alibaba does.
But there's something else they do. And that is credit. They do.
They have
you by the way they do a crappy job. Oh, yeah. No, it's not that
these No, because you like you want to, you know, you're
finishing a little podcast device. I'm going to come over
the microphone. They have. They do the connections are terrible.
They never respond. These companies are dumb. Eric had a
problem with it. Because, you know, outsource the rings in
some of these other things to doing some mugs to China and
they got screwed on a couple of deals. One guy just stole the
money. Yeah, the staff to they don't do anything about that.
Anyway, I'm sorry. Go on. Yeah, but it's
uh, yeah, of course, there's, of course there's fraud. And you
know, the fake products, which I didn't clip it. But he actually
went on to say that a lot of these fake products like the
fake brand name bags and stuff like that. He says, It is so
good. That sometimes the quality of the knockoffs is better than
the original. I agree with that. And he said, he said we would
buy knockoffs, right off of Alibaba ourselves, send it to
the company, they'd be like, No, that's one of ours, even though
it wasn't. That's just an interesting tip, because you can
get the same look and better quality. Yeah, it's theft, but
no well, but he's come up with something with these micro
loans. And that's a part of the Alibaba Alibaba system. And
based upon your purchasing or your sales behavior, through the
system, I guess a lot of Chinese must use it. They through AI, he
has a hands off credit system, that within three minutes, they
can determine if your credit worthy for this $5,000 line of
credit. And it's done through something called the sesame
card. And these cards are kind of like a rating as to your
credit score. It's very similar to what we have only this is run
by one big commercial company. And I think it's very dangerous
if you listen to how gleeful he talks about it. We are a
data company eight years ago, we said to ourself, Alibaba should
not be an E commerce company, we should be a data company because
we have the data's from consumers, we have data from
the, the the manufacturer of daters, from the logistic
company and transactions, but we think how we can make a data
really beneficiary to the society what China need is we
have a lot of great people all the small business they have a
very they're very credible but because we don't have a credit
system for that, so how can we use a credit rating system based
on the data so we have to it giving everybody a sesame a
rating system that is so powerful in the past four years,
because every individual every small business if they've been
using our services, we give them a rating system. So we give you
loans in the past five years, we've given 5 million business
loans the only bought borrow $5,000 free minutes we can
decide whether we should give you money how much I'm going to
give within one second the money will be in your account and zero
people touch so we call it a 310 Even today the sesame rating
system become people dating the mother in law want to say hey,
you want to date to with my daughter show me your rating
system of the sesame car. So it's so funny we go to the
people want to rent a car people want to rent a bicycle they will
say show me your sesame cards. Good because if they do not pay
back if they do not fulfill the rating system gonna slow down
and they can never rent a house. This is what we want to build up
the system.
And this is coming everywhere. I guarantee you. This is what
social media will be used for. Well, let's see how many likes
you have. Let's see what people say about you. Are you that's
that's how credit ratings are going to be determined. And
maybe we'll all have a sesame card on I don't know. I don't
like that part about Jack Ma
Well he's all jubilant about it.
Yeah that's the that's the problem. Yeah, I agree.
All right. Don't want to hear I disagree really kind of like
Davos on the I think it I don't believe this was at Davos. But
it was Theresa May guy.
Yes. The big break and a couple of the big Brexit speech. Yeah,
give me firstly we can listen if you want to listen to a little
bit of back and forth with Angus Robertson, the head of Scotland
asking a question. That is kind of mean spirited or you want to
hear Theresa and her little speech. Let's go with the speech
she has here. Theresa May on Brexit on PBS. I
listened to it last night when I was in bed. And it was so
boring.
British Prime Minister Theresa May declared today that her
government wants a clean break from the European Union. Mei
laid out her thinking as Britain gets ready to negotiate terms
for leaving the EU. She confirmed it means an end to
Britain's role in Europe single market and to travel without
passports. But she also issued a warning.
I know there are some voices calling for a punitive deal that
punishes Britain and discourages other countries from taking the
same path. That would be an act of kilometers self harm for the
countries of Europe. And it would not be the act of a
friend. Britain would not indeed we could not accept such an
approach.
I'd like to play the EURO NEWS response from Brussels to her
speech.
I was gonna say this seemed like a veiled threat.
In what regard?
She says that we're not going to put up with anybody messing with
us, because we're doing this. Yeah. And and before you play
your clip, which you should play, you should also listen to
the second the second little gotcha in this thing, which I
thought was just like outrageous, but this is the
parliament vote on the final deal, which actually follow what
you just said with this
may also promise that Parliament will be able to vote on the
final deal likely in 2019.
That's how long it will take for the negotiation.
That's not it. No, that's before the negotiate. That's just to
say, Okay, let's yes, no, yes, two
years before they even vote.
Let's get down and we're gonna keep talking about this two
years after article 50.
Oh, my goodness. Well, let's let's Yes. And yeah, I think
you're right, actually, here's the douchebags in Brussels.
British Prime Minister Theresa May has been accused of wanting
to cherry pick European union benefits in her speech setting
out her Brexit priorities. While she stressed Britain will quit
the EU single market. She also said she'd seek a separate trade
agreement. The EU's Brexit negotiator was unimpressed.
We shall never accept a situation in which it is better
to be outside the European Union outside the single market than
to be a member of the European Union. If you want the
advantages of a single market and Customs Union, you have to
take also the obligations we need to fair agreement and
certainly not on the on the trend.
Some political leaders in the EU may have given a lukewarm
reception to my speech, but in London, her Brexit minister
David Davis said his job was to persuade Europe that a
reciprocal deal would be best approach is not about
cherry picking, but reaching a deal which fits the aims of both
sides. We understand the EU wants to preserve its four
freedoms and to chart its own course, pretty much every
country in the world that's not subject to sanctions has access
to the single market, we will have access to the single
market. The question that this is about
is the terms.
So Brexit talks are expected to be one of the most complicated
negotiations in post world war two European history. Brussels
has described May's aim of wrapping them up in two years as
ambitious
to hear they say talking about wrapping it up in two years.
Which would you heard the last word?
It's ambitious? It's it's ambitious. Yeah. Why is that? Is
that so hard? Actually, I guess so if you look at all the
treaties and everything has been signed, that goes back to 1950
with the European atomic and it was at the Atomic Energy Union.
I think it was It started off that way.
I don't remember I mean, she gets retold a number of
so many treaties. Yeah, it's a mess is great for lawyers. It's
fantastic.
But here we go. Let's go to Parliament. Yeah. And play may
vs. Angus, part one. Hold on.
Yeah, I got it
the robot son. And shortly after the prime minister confirmed
that she wants to take the UK out of the single European
market, the Scottish Parliament voted by a large cross party
majority to remain in the single European market, just as a large
majority of people in Scotland voted to remain in the European
Union. The Prime Minister has said the prime minister said
that Scotland is an equal partner in the United Kingdom.
Does she still believe this is true? Or if you just stringing
the people of Scotland along?
I gave I might refer the Right Honourable gentleman to my
speech yesterday, where I reiterated my commitment to be
working with the devolved administration's to ensure that
their voices heard that their interests are taken into account
as we proceed along this path of negotiating our exit from the
European Union. And also I specifically referenced the
Scotland plan. I understand the Welsh Government will be
producing a plan for Wales. For us to look at to that Scotland
plan will be being considered by the JMC on European negotiations
tomorrow, I believe we will be looking at it seriously. I'm
working with the Scottish Government on the proposals they
bring forward
because Roberts, Scotland's leading economic forecaster says
and I quote that real wages will fall Tories jeering and cheering
when the forecast for people's income isn't as likely to drop
by 2000 pounds. And the 18,000 Mr. Speaker that 80,000 People
may lose their jobs in Scotland as a result of the heart theory
break Brexit plan of the prime minister. The prime minister
believes that this is a price worth paying for her Little
Britain Brexit.
Little Britain Brexit
Yeah, Little Britain Brexit. Angus, you want to play the
second one?
Yeah, you can play the same way this is her answer and pretty
much the same, then she kind of does the put down line you have
to do traditionally at the end of the little spiel
for her Little Britain, Brexit.
I repeat what I said earlier, we will be working to ensure that
we get the best possible deal in terms of access to the single
market and continuing to cooperate in partnership with
the member states of the remaining 27 member states of
the European Union. But the Right Honourable gentleman, once
again, called talks about the possibility of negative impact
on Scotland. If Scotland were not part of the single market,
his party is dedicated to taking Scotland out of the single out
the United Kingdom.
I wish it was like that here in the States. That's so fun the
way they do that. It is fun. I like it. I like it.
Question comes to mind kind of what are they doing different in
the EU and they're running it out of Brussels and you talked
about the situation with you and your inability to get your
passport approved to go to Europe on the last show. And
everybody was was afraid. How are they what are they doing
differently? Because if you look at the UK, the UK has really
what four kingdoms has got Northern Ireland, Wales, and
Scotland, and and England, Britain, England, England. And
so you have these four groups, they all speak English. And they
can't get along with each other. You take good transfer that to
the EU, where you have the 26 countries or 27. And they all
speak different languages. They never got along with each other
historically, ever much the same way the Scottson though, and the
English never got along with each other. But that seems to be
working better in terms of this in terms of whatever system they
have, overseeing the whole thing which is nothing close to a
democracy. And so it's a it's a form of bureaucratic dictators
of bureaucratic dictatorship for all practical purposes run out
of Brussels
based on lies that sovereignty would remain. But once you have
people's money once you have the banks we have the fiscal union
they got the banks under control. That's it. That's it.
We got to move along because we're running long today. I want
to be too long. I do need to play just a little bit of Well,
here's the Jamie began with the Hey Have you read that? This is
not necessarily fake news. But it is so incorrect that I might
as well classify it as such on Fox. I told you many weeks ago
that the Clinton Global months ago actually, the Clinton Global
Initiative is shutting down and out of Bill Clinton's own mouth.
Yeah, the sponsors are going, you know, they got other things
to do. Yes, we know where the money's going. It's going to
Obama's My Brother's Keeper Foundation, which I think at
this point has about $200 million committed. That's why
he's staying in Washington. And it was well known that this was
going to happen. But somehow Fox is convoluted this the Clinton
Global Initiative into the Clinton Foundation and they come
up with this report, which is really crap. We
begin with the controversial Clinton Global Initiative.
Remember that? Well, they're closing the doors for good. This
comes after Hillary Clinton's crushing loss in the
presidential election this November and months after
WikiLeaks uncovered emails that reportedly showed corrupt
management helping donors get political access, rather than
focusing on charitable work around the world. Employee
layoffs take effect in April factcheck. False Yeah,
that's incorrect. It was not about the Clinton Global
Initiative was about the Clinton Foundation. And I think that
what you'll see now in these in these urban myths, you know,
like, Assad used chemical weapons, which has been
disproven. It'll be Oh, they shut it down, though. I mean,
people will actually believe that and even are already
believing and even crazier. Although we still not surfaced.
Former CEO of the Clinton Foundation, now Global
Initiative Foundation, by Erik Braverman apparently, is going
to work for the Google nonprofit, which is run by Eric
Schmidt. Now we have not seen the guy. We don't know if he's
actually alive, but that is where he will be turning up.
Apparently. It'd
be at the lunch room over at Google just eating chowing down.
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He sent me a box too without the drugs. You didn't get shrooms?
No, no, no. Why
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I got a Mennonite cookbook.
I love our producers, man. Fantastic. Well, I will try
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And today, we congratulate your herb lamb celebrating on the
21st of January D Carruthers says Happy Birthday to Keith
Carlisle he celebrated on the 16th and Audrey Symes as happy
birthday for the love of her life. And well he's now a
douchebag Charlie surprise. He celebrated yesterday happy
birthday from all your buddies here the best podcast in the
universe. And no nights no nights, John, we have no nights
no nothing. I have a question for you though. I would actually
make an observation. As we move into the Depression era, this is
a setup for your book, of course. Yes. As we move into the
Depression era, we have depression food, we've obviously
we have the bugs, we have mac and cheese, but I've noticed
something else that's been happening in Austin. And whether
you make an appointment for you to get your hair cut, whether
you make an appointment at a restaurant, reservation at a
restaurant, more and more companies are saying, yeah, it's
hairdressers. Yeah, I need your credit card as a deposit. When
did this become trend?
Well, I don't know that this is going on here at all. I know
there are a minimum number of restaurants that require this
but they're very high end. And you're expected to drop like
$300 they had at least
these are just regular restaurants. They regular
restaurants, hairdressers, and hairdressers
does not I'm telling you. There's not no but nothing like
that. This is a local phenomenon.
And Christina went to get her claws and paws yet the manicure
credit card deposit in Europe, right here when she was here.
Okay, just again as a local phenomenon. You got some crooks
there that are taken advantage of these people are goofballs,
that are just making reservations just to kill their
business.
Well, I'd like to know if any of your business Wargo maybe maybe
other people have this in their town. I don't know. I watched
the game with Dallas. Holy crap. I'm glad I watched that game in
a great game. Oh my god. The end. That was fantastic. Yes,
Aaron Rodgers is kick ass. It was. It was very exciting game.
I like that a lot. And since we only have four teams left, we
have the New England Patriots versus the Steelers and then we
have Green Bay Packers versus the Atlanta Falcons. I think it
is time for us to determine who will be the winner of the Super
Bowl based upon no agenda process of elimination
geopolitical geopolitical. Yes. And I think I know
Okay, cuz I haven't no clue. Well, and you are better at this
than I am. You have beaten me May head to head a couple of
times.
So from a geopolitical standpoint. Excuse me. We I know
what the end has to be. It has to be the Steelers versus the
Packers. And the reason for that is both Pittsburgh and Wisconsin
Green Bay. were incredibly supportive of Trump. They
flipped and I am going to say the Green Bay Packers take it
based on this.
Well, the Green Bay Packers can manage to get past Atlanta which
is not a sure thing by any means. Because Atlanta is a
better team. But these things they could because because
you're basing it on skill. I'm basing it on it being rigged.
I know but yes, well if you're basically I'm being rigged, they
have the excuse that because here's the they have been
running a I have to give you this. They've been running a
kind of a booty call it not a litany but a storyline they've
been running the storyline. line on Aaron Rodgers. He's come on
in the second half. This is how many games in a row they've won.
He's the best rower ever. He's giving you a very accurate
passer he's of everybody likes him. He looks a little like Paul
Ryan is one thing after another and so they've been running this
storyline. They have not been running storylines on anybody
else. Except Dallas. And Dallas was beaten by this guy. Yeah.
And so I think you might be onto something. It's a possibility
when let's put it this way. I wouldn't be stunned if that
happened. Right. But I who
was the who was the the catcher who caught that pass and kept it
in bounds?
That I think is cookers one of them. Oh, man,
that was great.
I really that was a pretty phenomenal Yeah,
yeah. A follow up from our to to the head category. I looked it
up. It was October 2014. That we played a series of clips from
Udo cotta of build sometimes
the intelligence agencies they come to your office and want you
to write an article I give you an example not from strange
other journalists from me myself, German foreign
intelligence, bunda Snapfish and DNS. It is just a sister
organization of the Central Intelligence Agency. It was
founded by the American intelligence agency. So one day,
the BND this German foreign intelligence agency came to my
office at the Frankfurter Allgemeine and algemeiner So
they wanted me to write an article about Libya and about
colonial Muammar Gaddafi. I had no I had absolutely no secret
informations regarding Colin, no Muammar Gaddafi, and Libya, but
they gave me all these secret informations. And they just
wanted me to write to to sign the article was by name. I did
that. But it was an article that was published in the Frankfurt
algemeiner that originally came from the Buddha's unofficial
deeds from the German foreign intelligence agency. So do you
really think that this is journalism? intelligence
agencies writing articles?
By coincidence, I think two or three shows ago you sent me an
email saying, Hey, this is good. This is good. Let's talk about
this guy as we lead in talking about media and how corrupt they
are. This guy died. He's dead watch. Yeah. A few days before
it's 57th birthday heart attack.
He was probably told not to mention any of this. Of course,
he was told not to mention any of that. At heart attack, heart
failure, actually, they say heart failure.
Yeah, Bill. prussic acid in the face. 57 years old.
Beautiful. I also Roger Stone is
proud of you out there. They're gonna use this material. Yes.
You have to if they tell you to shut up, I guess you gotta shut
up.
Certainly avoid small aviation and all that stuff. It's hot
tubs and hot tubs. One quickie just a funny little entre Mall.
This was a question that was asked during Janet Yellen, our
Chair of the fed the Federal Reserve by one of the
journalists in the room, and I just I think I fell over when I
heard
this it's my proud duty to convey the questions that I've
been handed
my proud duty to ask you the questions that I've been asked
this Yes, ask it oh man. And it's just a modern world we live
in
we have time is short we're live we're almost near the tail
I got a bunch of stuff I can I can push this off because it's
really good.
I'd like to do tech news on Sunday if you don't mind why
don't do tech news on sound
you want to do tech news on Sunday you want to because I
have this Samantha Power stuff that I can move forward?
Let me see if I Okay, I have some I have some Well the funny
clips from the confirmation hearings we can we can do on
Sunday that'll that'll stay good. There's so much material
that almost no one has what we have but some very funny stuff.
Okay, let's do some tech news. Today phones a landline and the
phone should be made out of Bakelite. Night Gianluca so
we started off the dad an hour late Yes, because of this is not
really as much tech news as it is tech complaining.
Well, let me start. Start this off. By with last night
actually, two days ago. A your pal and my pal Andrew Horowitz
said hey, I brew. I'd really love to try streaming. D H
unplugged on Tuesday when you guys were Record it. It's okay,
no problem. I'll set you up. So I set him up and you know, talk
to void zero said invoice it, ma'am. We can set it all up for
him. But just give me your credentials, login. And then you
can test it out and see if you like it. So I set it up with
him, and it'd be over the phone, that's okay, now connect and
you're connected, sir. And you couldn't connect. Like, that's
very odd. And I'm doing this over the phone. So it's, um,
well, let me try. And I can't connect. And of course, I've
changed nothing. I've changed nothing in my setup that I know
of, I've rebooted but haven't done anything else. And I can't
connect. And so and now it's, it's like 1am and void zero, and
I ping him he's coming in today, Look, man, it's too late for
you. We'll do it tomorrow. So yesterday, for almost five
hours, we were trying to figure this out. And here's the crate.
So essentially, what my computer has to go through a port has to
connect to our, our streaming server, and and then initiate
and then you send the stream, and it would not connect. Now I
could tell that into the port. And we were using TCP dump, you
know, to see if, if there's anything showed up. And I would
tell that in no problem, the same port with shoutcast. It I
couldn't even get it to register TCP dump on my own computer. In
other words, I was trying to start a stream and with software
that is available and approved. As far as I know. It's in the
App Store. So you know, it's allowed to run within the apple
security environment, which is where it gets kind of weird. But
you couldn't it was not the program was not sending packets,
even to my Ethernet card. So and we've tried every we're
tunneling through SSH, and we're and he keeps saying it must be
your Mac, you know that? Come on, man. I didn't upgrade. The
last system update was December 30. Well, turns out that Apple
has decided and not really mentioned that they are refusing
anything that uses https 0.9. And they're actually sandboxing
it. And I don't know when they snuck this in because it didn't
happen to me after the December 30 update. But shoutcast
specifically uses HTTP 0.9.
This is interesting, because horror was also uses a Mac
it? Well, he would know, he would know that it gets more
interesting because he was using a Windows machine to do that.
And I think Windows has now also sandboxes 0.9. But it's pretty
much not even mentioned. i They I guess they don't think it's
important. To be honest, the shoutcast protocol, it's old.
icecast is kind of where you want it to be these days. I
don't the software I'm using that I like using only support
shoutcast. But I don't think they ever thought about that.
They just said I 0.9 Screw it, it is actually affected people
in the reverse. If you're using Safari, for instance, and you
want to listen to a shoutcast stream, you can't get it in for
the same reason you cannot listen to a shoutcast stream, it
has to be icecast and this is just completely undocumented.
Oh, yeah, Pa indeed. I put a couple of links in the show
notes if people want to take a look and see exactly what
happened eight, nine or six.no agenda notes.com. And then this
morning. I every morning before the show I reboot the router.
So before this morning, there'll be for this money you've already
wasted 567 hours. God knows how much time Yeah. Okay, just to
show you how much time you have to use to make anything work.
And boy, were we happy when we figured it out. Like holy crap,
that was insane. I mean, checking firewalls, all kinds of
stuff. Then this morning, I reboot my cable modem I reboot
the computer. And for routing internally in the Mac, I use a
great product called a loopback which allows you to create
virtual devices and that's actually how I currently string
everything together to make it work and Mac Apple is pretty
good mac OS were their core audio. But I did not know that
this loopback probe product from Rogue Amiga had install
automatic updates on that I've never looked at that. And so I'm
like well something's wrong. I opened up loopback Oh, yeah,
well you need to update it won't work until you've updated and by
the way you can't update because Skype is using it and your and
your audio system is using it. So I I changed that and then we
just couldn't get it to work. I spent another hour before I
finally had everything updated properly. And you know, I don't
mind updates. But this doing stuff without telling people is
bull crap man is bullcrap.
Which reminds me of a George Morrow story who's George
Morrow. George Morrow was a pretty famous industry pioneer
who was an engineer in the valley that didn't borrow
designs. And he was during the AD AD era, Z ad era, he was big
shot. And, and a nice guy and very funny. He was also
outspoken, and he was so character. And he used to
produce all kinds of different boards and computer systems. And
he would always discuss the these boards, there's another
was like an I O board or a disk controller. I think they did one
for their, for the big eight inch drives. There was a disk
controller they made. He always talked about this idea of, of
upgrading anything that has been on the market too long. And he
believing and he wouldn't do it. I mean, he because he said you
can patch a lot of these boards, usually simple fixes. But
there's some companies that we would do this constantly, they
try to perfect the board. He says the problem was always with
the users of these products, who would invariably within a very
short timeframe and with the with the kind of group thinking,
design and use workarounds. And he says once the workarounds
were like, all over the place, you really had to leave the
board alone. Because you want you to change anything, the
workarounds would all stop working and sometimes be very
destructive.
And then trying to reverse engineering is the thing that
drives me crazy. If you don't know what changed, you know the
work arounds or stuff you you put it in place you forget about
it?
Yes. And he was a big believer in minimizing, interfering with
the workarounds because the workarounds always worked. And
they were passed around people knew what they were and his Oh,
yeah, well, that has a bug and you have to do this. And once
these things are in place, the thing works like a champ. Yeah.
But a lot of companies would just change it you know them
next to nothing worked.
Well, I'll tell you once the podcast studio is done, and God
willing, hoping maybe February now for the Kickstarter. And
that'll you know, we're also going to bundle the official
John C. Dvorak microphone. It'll be beautiful because then every
all of that is taken off of the computer. The only thing you use
the computer for is just to play stuff if you want if you want to
play, you know, all all functions are hard coded in one
box. Beautiful. Because this is driving me nuts. And I'm going
to switch to Linux because Apple has lost its way. I really
wanted the new PowerBook or the MacBook Pro. I'm sorry. Yeah, in
no way. I hear only bad things about it. Only bad things.
Yeah, I haven't heard anything good either.
It's just sad. They don't care about their customers. They
really don't care about the customers anymore. I think the
way they see it. Yeah, exactly. All right. Anything else for the
tech news?
No, I think we got we're good with tech guy. All right. Let's
close it
on my phone Okay,
okay, well, it's less than 10 minutes I have one clip and then
we can you can get now we're gonna finish one clip. I want to
play this one and this is to keep everybody up to date with
an average or the never the ever changing story about the Fort
Lauderdale shooter now apparently he didn't have people
talking to him but he is looking at ISIS stuff. So I don't know.
You're in a Florida courtroom today. The suspect of the deadly
shooting rampage of the Fort Lauderdale Airport was ordered
to remain behind bars until trial. During the hearing,
prosecutors said Esteban Santiago gave conflicting
explanations explanations as to his motive. The FBI says
Santiago first claimed the government was controlling his
mind but later said he was inspired by ISIS link chat rooms
and websites
and didn't and they arrested his his wife
no no that that's the wife they arrested is the guy who is the
Orlando nightclub shooter
oh I'm sorry this Fort Lauderdale. Yes, crap. I'm
sorry. It that whole thing is very odd.
Yes. This is all the government's trying to make me
watch ISIS videos. And now the story is I've been watching ISIS
videos. The government hasn't said anything about this. Which
makes me think you know, just the opposite. Okay,
I'm going to spend a little bit of the time in the next few days
looking through the CIA document dump 12 million declassified
documents.
Please do if I knew about this, I saw it. I said, like, here's I
guess you're gonna be a search engine we can use leaks front
end or something that might work.
Here's the two stories I pulled out. CIA admits it carried out
secret psychic experiments on Oregon. eller, for those of you
to remember that with jewelry Gala was a guy who could bend
spoons with his mind as a bake. Yeah. And it was also operation
artichoke, which was another mind control project. Not unlike
MK Ultra. I have not heard of artichoke.
I have. You have? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the details, but I
have heard of it for sure.
Right. So I'll be I'll look at that. And I'll see if I can come
up with come up with anything good. And let me see. Yeah. So
for Sunday, I'll definitely have a number of I think very
entertaining clips from the confirmation hearings, which
just shows you that just the two universes as this it's right
there and it's right in our right in our high government.
Okay,
when you have the Samantha Power interview that was done, and
she's leaving, yeah. And again, Institute University, I believe
with some crazy stuff in there. That is a four parter that I
think everyone will be entertained by, because very
deconstructed. I like to me, I like it. I like it away. Okay.
When is the next game I should be looking at?
Well, there's these games that you talked about are being
played this weekend. So this weekend you want to there's two
games, obviously the ones you mentioned. Yeah. To see if
you're if you're if these numbers come out correctly.
Okay. We'll see. I think a great Superbowl I think everybody
would love to see the Steelers play the Packers. That's why
they're going to do it. Coming to you from the crackpot condo
here in downtown Austin. Take us in the skyscraper, FEMA Region
six on the maps in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry,
Leanne from Northern Silicon Valley where this will be a
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you know that when you mix arrows when you mix affection
for one another that could be manifested sexually I don't care
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where could be manifested sexually. I don't care if you go
to an alternative universe a universe
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that's how we find a few choices. Could we find a
society? Who could towards me? It just comes out We'll find a
few who could do worse
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this aside, okay,
who could Torsby? Could could we find a few who could do the pull
ups? Of course because that's not the point.
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put that aside. troll people on Twitter
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about about about this is an alternative universe I want to
talk for a second about about about about about about this is
an alternative universe and and he got his two documents victory
for cheating This is an alternative universe I'm gonna
talk for a second about about about about about this is an
alternative universe and he got his you got your victory from
cheater This is an alternative universe. I want to talk for a
second about about this is an alternative universe and he got
his he got his victory from cheating.
Always a pleasure. You can take that to the bank
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