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Adam curry, John C. Dvorak
and Sunday January 8 2017. This is your award winning give on
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Austin Tejas the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley, we're being pounded by
the Pineapple Express. And John C. Dvorak.
Buzzkill.
The Pineapple Express. Wasn't that a movie with Seth Rogen
McFarland, Seth Rogen and Rogen, Seth Rogen, yeah.
Seth Green.
What is the Pineapple Express?
It's a cool it's a front that comes in it brings moisture in
from the Hawaiian area in the south and it comes to mixing
mixes with something else and it just drops a lot of moisture. We
had two inches of rain last night.
Oh my goodness. There's a lot that's a lot for California with
was that just Northern California or is La getting
pounded?
Everybody's getting pounded.
You know that wide swath mudslides, mudslides
areas are definitely will be mudslides.
Well, the weather is is crazy everywhere. It's in the 20s here
in Austin. Not right now. But overnight it was
really? Yeah, make sure you have your little flashes dripping.
What? You don't even know about that. Okay,
I mean, I mean an apartment building. Oh yeah, if my boss is
drifting I call maintenance. Okay. That's nothing I need to
have here. Europe though is Wow, it's really bad the global
warming over there
as a Big Freeze grips Europe the plight of refugees has become
increasingly desperate at abandoned industrial buildings
in Belgrade. Those unable or unwilling to enter official
shelters shiver in temperatures lower than minus 20 degrees
Celsius in Bulgaria. Blizzards have cut power. Last week, three
migrants froze to death and the biting cold. Then there are
those struggling to keep warm on the Greek islands we're worried.
Currently the situation on Samos keelson Lesbos is particularly
worrying on Samos Around 700 people. This includes young
children and other especially vulnerable individuals. These
people are in unheated tents in the perception and Information
Center.
Well, this camp on less boss does have heating the UN's
refugee agency wants migrants stranded on Greek islands to be
quickly transferred to the mainland or other European
countries or mid cold temperatures. Some here are
seeing snow for the first time offering a chance to play for
children and adults alike. Yeah, there
you go. It's incredible because the newspapers all reported now
it's been like 1112 years ago. Children in Europe in the UK
would never see snow except in snow globes.
That's what they reported. Yeah. We talked about on the show
numerous times.
This is pretty prominent climatologist who quit her
university Georgia Tech
and she's finally fed up I don't blame her there's a lot if you
talk to these people privately most vault most all of them are
just they feel you know, cowed by the whole thing. It's a no
it's actually an it's a scam. Folks. See, the
climatologist had been following for a number of years because
she had a blog with an RSS feed and it's just she's posting
every day for years. I've been following Judith curry. Of
course. She's not related, but because of her name. Check her
out.
I'll follow her.
I'll follow her. Yeah. Her and Brittany. You want to hear a
little bit of her Tucker Carlson hat Carlson had her on?
I it would be. It would be great. Yeah. Because it
did kind of hits everything we've talked about, including
the 97% thing, although she has a little different take on it.
But here she is. She's professor at Georgia Tech. And she
resigned. Dr. Currie joins us now. Professor Craig, thanks
for coming on tonight.
That's kind of a ring to it, though, doesn't it? Professor
curry. Yes. You're welcome, Tucker. I'm happy to be here.
Dr. Currie
joins us now. Professor Craig, thanks for coming on tonight. It
was a pleasure.
Well, thank you it is for me. So you have written that part of
the problem with climate science, not just to your
school, but at others is that research money only goes to
researchers pursuing certain lines of inquiry and that
they're all the same and that that prevents good science from
have happening. Am I mischaracterizing? You?
I'm not really but what you're seeing is there's his dominant
theme of human caused climate change, which is where all of
the research and the focus is being directed and there's far
too little Funding and effort going into understanding natural
climate variability. That's my concern.
Right. So is that for those who are not experts? Is that the key
debate, not whether temperatures are changing, because of course
they always have, but over what's causing that change? And
is there a debate on
exactly No. And it's clearly warming and it's been warming
for overall for several 100 years. The key question is, how
much of the recent warming say for the last 50 years has been
caused by humans? Right. And my interpretation of the evidence
is that we really can't tell and I don't see a clear signal that
is being caused by humans predominantly,
do you believe you are penalized for that view?
Oh, I've been vilified by some of my colleagues who are
activists and don't like anybody, challenging, you know,
the, their big story. So I mean, I walk around with knife
sticking out of my back. And, you know, in the university
environment, I just felt like I was beating my head against the
wall, and not being effective. The university should be places
of unfettered research, freedom of investigation, honest and
open debate, diverse perspectives, etc. And in
certain fields, you know, that are politically relevant, you're
definitely not seeing that
the research you're doing in that your colleagues, the ones
who described as activists are doing will inform public policy
in a way that affects every person on the planet. So the
stakes are really high. No,
the stakes are very high. Personally, I think I can have
more of an impact outside of the university in the private
sector, sort of free market academic freedom.
I thought that was an interesting comment. She made
their free market academic freedom.
Yeah, it was weird. Yeah, that
Tucker asked the final important question.
Let me ask you this. When you hear people who ask the question
that you just asked, to what extent is climate change being
driven by natural factors that have always existed? And to what
extent by human activity? People who asked that question are
derided as climate deniers? What's your response to that?
Well, my response is, we really don't know it. Certainly humans
are contributing something. We don't know how much from the
evidence that I've seen, I don't think it's the dominant cause.
You may have you may have, you may not You're not listening to
TV, because 98% of scientists globally believe one thing. So
you must be in the 2%. Right.
Ironically, the way those The question is framed about the
consensus that yes, it's warming. Yes, humans contribute
to it. I mean, everybody agrees with that. And I'm in the 98%.
It's when you get down to the details that there is genuine
disagreement that is really glossed over in the media.
I am a little confused by her final comment there on the 98%.
She said that she agrees that climate is changing and humans
have some something, something to do with it. But it may be
such a minor something that it doesn't mean anything right, but
she was saying you'd have to put herself in the 98%. That's still
specious. Those the things that don't hold 98% thing is bogus
by me. I'd expected her to debunk that a little more. Yeah,
you think she would, but she's I think she's beaten back. She's
beaten down. She's got knives sticking out of her back.
Getting nice sticking out of everyone
from their bit from from the from her colleagues and their
big story. I kind of like that. I like They're big. They're a
big story.
We got people pay no attention to us. But now we have a big big
store asking us questions. Let's just get on those talk shows
rock and roll, baby. Exactly. That sounds pretty. That's
pretty funny. Everything about it. Yeah.
All right. Well, there's a lot to do today. Well, you
want us to get just get started with we got backgrounders on the
Russian report. The reports the big deal. Yeah, they came out
and Trump apparently had his little secret meeting. They got
this this Adam Schiff character. Oh, is
he back on the scene complaining again?
Yeah, I think I have two clips about him.
Okay, so the general background is we got the declassified
version of the assessment from the intelligence community about
the intelligence a new reports a
new final. I know it's a new report still has classified
elements. We
said it's, it said it's an unclassified version. You're
absolutely correct. Yes. Which I have, of course, the
unclassified version and it's,
I knew you would, and so I didn't even bother looking and
it's,
it's of course it's marked up. That's all I have to say,
though. Because the newsletter came through. I don't like I
mean, yeah, of course I'd I would do this. But I was like,
oh, yeah, John saying Adam was pored over the document like,
Yeah, that's right. I gotta mark everything up. I gotta get
everything going. Well, so I go pull the report newsletters
goading you. That's right. So they pulled the report and check
this out. I was so proud. Producer James from Huntsville,
Alabama, had already pulled the report had already marked it up
in multiple colors, with commas exactly like I would have done
actually. And I was like, wow, this
is this has got you off the hook. Are you telling me this
is this is what true. Listener participation media is about.
That's why we call our listeners producers is amazing. And I
really appreciate I would have done that.
Before we go into that, I think we should play the prelude so we
get a feeling for what the media is feeding us. Yes. But But
let's start with a negative feed. In other words, something
from our tea, who's just taking this extremely cynically. And
let's play this is Larry Johnson and ex CIA guy who appeared on
who's always on he's one of the that's the guy with the beard is
he has a beard? No, he's got no he's not the guy. The beard
isn't another guy. You've seen him. And he's like a go to guy
for RT. He's one of the regular grocers for the theory. It's
state sponsored media. You mean, the state sponsored media of RT
has, as one of our ex agents working for
it's so meta to have a report about our tea, discussed on our
tea with former CIA agents in my head sometimes wants to explode.
It's fantastic
bond designed to
discredit us intelligence. Well, you never know. But former CIA
officer Larry Johnson says regardless, it is an
embarrassment to the US intelligence services. There is
no facts underlying this, there are analytical assumptions. And
you can tell that because whenever they use the language
like we assess that, or we believe that or it is likely
that well, that means they don't know, normal estimates in the
community are coordinated with an all the intelligence
agencies.
This one was only so called coordinated the FBI, CIA, and
NSA. Now what's so curious about that, on the one judgement, that
they said, Oh, yeah, we all three agree about Russian
interference, except it was only CIA and FBI that strongly
agreed. But NSA, who should have the who's the only one in that
group that would actually have the physical evidence of the
hacking, if it existed? is the one that says Well, our
judgments moderate, it's a joke. I mean, I if
I'm a Russian intelligence analysts, you know, with one of
your intelligence services looking at this, I would be
suspicious to think what are the Americans up to they really
can't be this stupid. And let me just reassure the folks on your
side of the ledger, yeah, they actually are.
Yeah, that was the first thing that jumped off of the paper to
me as well. It's not 17 agencies, it's only three in
this report. So if any, if you hear anything on the on the news
channels, that saying all all 17 That's not true. It is only CIA,
FBI and DHS who DHS indeed say, mod or NSA say moderate
confidence, was it? I thought it was DHS, CIA and NSA. I'm sorry,
you're right. That that was FBI. Hold on. Let me see. I mean, let
me double check the document now. Now. I'm confused. Hold on.
D DHS was the original one. On here we go. It is CIA, FBI NSA.
Yeah, you're right. And clapper. Well, yes, Clapper is of course
he he's actually not named in the document.
But that agency that he runs he and I don't think so. Yeah,
no. AI is not in the document.
It doesn't have the symbol of done the top. Well, that's okay.
No, no, it only mean is that NSA is the one that here let's
listen to the whole report. From NBC the you know, who's gonna
give us government the government angle. This is the
clip of CIA hacking report, Russia, Ms. Or an NBC
misreporting. There's a lot of bad reporting in this report,
which is supposed to be the best intelligence
officials briefed him on their top secret report about Russia's
hacks during the election. Following weeks of dismissals
from Mr. Trump. A declassified version of that report is now
out. It claims Vladimir Putin himself ordered the hack, in
part to help Mr. Trump win. And BCS Kristen Welker has a
response from the president right
off the bat. That is not the conclusion. It says it could
only have been In one person if it was at the top of the Russian
if it went all the way to the top of the Russian governor,
no, you're wrong. You're obviously wrong and says, I'm
sorry, Putin.
I'm sorry. What am I thinking I shouldn't be I need to shut up
the right.
To our showdown at Trump Tower, the president elect to face with
the nation's top intelligence officials whom he spent weeks
disparaging Trump calling the meeting constructive, just as
the explosive details of their report made public late this
afternoon. Their key findings Russian President Vladimir Putin
ordered an influence campaign in 2016 and developed a clear
preference for President elect Trump. Putin and the Russian
government aspired to help President Elect Trump's election
chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton,
but the Russian hacking didn't affect vote tallying. Trump has
for weeks questioned the conclusion Russia was
responsible could be somebody sitting in his bed, and today
still refuse to single out Russia. Instead, Mr. Trump
saying in a statement, Russia, China and other countries are
engaged in cyber attacks and insisted there was absolutely no
effect on the outcome of the election. Late tonight top
Democrats firing back it is
beyond time for the president elect to accept the obvious
everyone else has. And if this report and presentation was
enough to convince him nothing.
The meeting kept a week of escalating tensions. Just hours
before the briefing started. Trump telling the New York Times
the focus on Russian hacking is a witch hunt by his political
adversaries. Still, in their report tonight, the nation's top
intelligence officials, the FBI, CIA, NSA and the Director of
National Intelligence say they're all in agreement,
concluding with high confidence Russia's efforts including
hacking propaganda, my efforts to undermine American democracy,
democracy Mr. Trump will soon lead.
Yeah, that's not true. Because they didn't all say hi comp, by
the way, there's a in the,
by the way, before you say that every single network said that,
yeah,
that lie or liars? There's a chart in the actual report that
shows the percentages of likelihood based upon the
verbiage from remote highly probable, and probable.
Actually, it has has almost no chance very unlikely, unlikely,
roughly even chance likely very likely, almost certainly, which
corresponds with probable highly probable, nearly certain so they
both said highly. Probable Wait, no, no. What did they actually
say? This is interesting. The language they used was God, this
is like we got to go through some of this report. We you and
I could have done a better report than these jabroni has
put together same information. high confidence, okay, high
confidence and high confidence in their little chart here to
explain that, I guess would be under highly probable that's
80%. Likely is 70%. And the moderate would be at 60%. So
it's not even 90% It's not even 98%.
Good enough.
Yeah. Yeah. Good enough. Do you want to go through some of this
report? Do you ever want to do some more background or I want
to do more background so with the report can have more impact?
Okay. Because this was so off the rails this whole thing?
Let's listen to for example, I have way too many clips of this
stuff, because it just was beyond me.
I would say so you didn't read the report at all?
You guys decided not to okay, because I knew you were gonna go
over with a fine tooth comb so I can be flabbergasted. Oh, you
will be? Yeah, okay. Good. That's what I'm looking for. All
right. I want to I want to I want to
collaborate. Yeah. I'm gonna flabbergast you hard.
So let's go over. Okay, let's go. Let's start with this
horrible clip Shields and Brooks on PBS. And they go on with the
lies about everything. Everyone agrees me this is very much like
the Global Warming scam. Very much like it and they have
Shields and Brooks. Both of them kind of denouncing. I don't know
why Brooks is even on the show. What's the point of having these
two guys in a
really? You really don't like him? Y'all you always complained
about him being fake. Not just
like, what's the point of two guys agreeing with each other
and that Trump's a douchebag. Right. I want to hear you know
somebody else I don't want to hear somebody just eat yo yo
whatever he says. Yeah, I agree. And this thing with the Russian
thing is completely out of control with these two. And
let's play this. I got two of these clips is one of them and
the long one played along with arches.
I think and In this sense that the intelligence community said
it made these findings with high confidence ever since the
weapons of mass destruction era decision on invading Iraq, the
intelligence community's been very, very careful to avoid high
confidence that is that saying we really believe this to be
true. There's been a more tentative there's no question
that we're unequivocal emphatic every American ought to be angry
or to be concerned that an unfriendly nation a nation that
does that has cooperated with a certain places but does not wish
us well. It sought to sabotage American democracy and market
confidence in our own democratic institutions, and to influence
the outcome of the election. I mean, that that's a cause for
concern, and, and worry and anger. And I would hope that
would respond not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans
to make sure it never happens again,
David, how should Americans,
I agree with that with anger with Sj, I
agree with anger. Hey,
let's rock against anger.
We should do agree with that. I agree with that with anger,
we should have a celebrity concert against anger. Look at
this.
I agree with that with anger with shock. We're sort of used
to the idea of anger and usually anger but the idea that Russia
felt emboldened and apparently fearless to go into our election
and manipulate our own election process, whether successful or
not, is a sign that they are outside the norms of normal
society. There's always statecraft is always
disinformation. But this is a step up a Russia that feels
Putin feels completely free to do this, without fear of
penalty, and so far paying little penalty. Partly it's
motivated, I think, by animus toward Hillary Clinton, as we
heard earlier in the program, she said in 2011 2012, partly,
frankly, a desire belief that Donald Trump will be tougher on
ISIS. But the thing that should most concern us is a shift in
American foreign policy. We've had a bipartisan belief in
American foreign policy based on the post world war two
institutions that believed in democratic global world, which
Russia and the Soviet Union was often seen as hostile to, and
most Republicans and Democrats have always pleased typically
believed in this world order. Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin
and maybe Marine LePen do not agree with this basic structure
of the world.
What did Marine LePen have to do with this all of a sudden? Why
do you bring her in? He tells me Hey, Buddy muscles you brought
in here to builders while he was No, but you could tell he wanted
to,
not again, that was interest hostile to and most Republicans
and come back a little more. Let me go to based on the post world
war two institutions that believed in democratic global
world, which Russia and the Soviet Union, a
democratic global world, really that's what it led to,
that believed in democratic global world, which Russia and
the Soviet Union was often seen as hostile to, and most
Republicans and Democrats have always pleased typically
believed in this world order. Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin
and maybe Marine LePen do not agree with this basic structure
of the world. They seem to have no respect for the institutions
that were created after World War Two. And they see a
potential alliance of populace around the world who would fight
Islam and restore certain semblance of traditional values.
Oh, what a horrible thing to do. Well, we don't want that we say
globalist.
I had no idea
of Taiwan any of that one world order globalist Yeah, most
Democrats and Republicans believe in the New World Order.
He said it World War world order, he said, but
he said world order. Yeah, well, it's not new anymore. George HW
Bush coined it that was some time back so it's not do ya. Do
then
you want to play this? I have something just to kind of slip
in play. Alright. CBS and CNN. I had no they took they had a good
take on the report. Surprisingly, I'm not quite sure
why. On CNN, it's Smerconish. That's the guy who does the
media show. And he also had on Sunday think former CIA guy but
just listen, listen to how he is skeptical of the report,
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign
aimed at boosting Donald Trump and harming Hillary Clinton.
That's what US intelligence found and what they told the
president on Thursday and the President Elect on Friday. After
being briefed, Trump released a statement saying the outcome
wasn't altered, and his tweet blamed Democrats for their own
vulnerability. Then last night came the release of a
declassified public version, which left me wanting more,
having a president elect at odds with his intelligence community
forces the public to have to choose sides but we don't have
enough to go on. No, it doesn't as one who suspects poopoo it
does didn't cause the hacking. I was nevertheless disappointed in
Reading the declassified report due to its lack of specificity.
And when I said so last night via Twitter, man, the immediate
harsh response was indicative of how in this case our
partisanship doesn't stop at our borders. I tweeted last night
quote, where's the beef? Somebody please direct me
to the Hello 1983 Where's the beef? But okay, please direct me
to the evidence.
I want to see more. And my observation costs something of a
tweetstorm classified Holy S. Dang, I used to like you, but
you jumped on the crazy train or I've been done with this Nazi in
sheep's clothing months ago. Smerconish has been a Trumper
since day one. And I won't be watching this weekend. Really,
it
was really interesting, because, you know, he kind of had the
same that we had, you know, you can't be critical of the message
regardless of what the message is. And in this case, he was
saying, Yeah, I don't know, man, I'm missing a little bit. And
then people immediately call him a douchebag. And a Trump lover.
Hold on, hold on. It's not done yet. I want to bring into the
CAC I have a topper. Yeah, you can top me in a moment
months ago. Smerconish has been a Trumper since day one. And I
will be watching this weekend really reached a point where a
demand for answers earn such disdain. Yes. Here's how I
followed up. I want an email. I want to text an affidavit and
intercept something. Yeah. I'm a trial lawyer, and ideal in
evidence, not generalities. people accuse me of doubting the
findings. I don't. But given the stakes, I want
proof. This guy is cruising for a job on RT. That's for sure.
Not just assessment. Yeah. Joining me now the man with the
expertise, the former director of the CIA and NSA, whose memoir
is titled playing to the edge. General Michael Hayden joins me
now. General, our buddy. Yeah.
All right. You know, you need to hear something from him. Can we?
The public? Be sure.
Well, Michael, you raised great questions and welcome to my
water broke into my brugia.
Welcome to my woods. Yeah.
Well, Michael, you raised great questions, and frankly, welcome
to my world or welcome to my old world.
I think he wanted to say my new world order, but he came up
wardrobe wardrobe. Welcome to my wardrobe.
Welcome to my old world in which an awful lot of the things
I want to hear the whole thing. But a douche.
Well, Michael, you raise great questions, and frankly, welcome
to my world or wardrobe. My old
would you like to try my bow my wardrobe, which an
awful lot of the things we know, can't be shared? Because we need
to keep going back to this well, in the future when I see
this is the big thing. And you're going to read that in the
report as well. You know, there's a lot of things we
really just can't share like proof because that would ruin
the whole our whole system and our our statecraft and our the
way we do things, so we can't actually show you the proof
because that would be compromising our means
to learn things to keep America safe. Now, look, I really same
document last year was the same sense of disappointment. I
probably had a little more understanding as to why it was a
brick short of a load.
More understanding because he's more knowledgeable.
Yes, it was a brick short of a load though. I hadn't heard this
term. I like that a brick short of a load. We can before you
taught me. I want to play it's much shorter. CBS the morning
crew. There was Charlie and Nora and Gail.
Oh, hold on a second. You don't know why am I why am I tapping?
I'm topping you about being condemned.
Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, then let's then top me with that. Yeah, cuz
the guy see, the second part didn't make any sense because of
the topper. Got it. Now. Do we go back the guy was condemned by
his colleagues. He's a Trump bar. He's this and he's that.
Yeah. Well, none of this comes close to what happened to Glenn
Greenwald. Your buddy.
Hold on. Hold on a second. Why is he my buddy?
Well, cuz you'd like to call them something else. I can't
remember what you call them. grand, grand grand grand Rob.
Don't rock primary. Well, yeah, that's that guy. Okay, buddy.
Yeah. Glenn, this is the I got a bunch of greenwall clips. But
this is the Glenn Greenwald intro to attacks.
Okay, because yeah, he's getting, he's getting.
Yes, I've done some, you know, pretty controversial and
polarizing reporting in the past decade, when I've been writing
about politics. And when you do that you obviously get attacked
in lots of different ways. It's not just me, it's everybody who
engages. It's just sort of the rough and tumble of politics and
journalism. But I really haven't experienced anything even
remotely like the smear campaign that has been launched by
Democrats in this really coordinated way. Ever since I
began just expressing skepticism about the prevailing narrative
over Russia and its role that it allegedly played in the
election, and in particular in helping to defeat Hillary
Clinton, I mean, not even the reporting I did, based on the
Edward Snowden archive, which is extremely controversial in
multiple countries around the world, not even that compared to
to the attacks now. And the reason is, is very, very
obvious, which is that it is become exceptionally important
to democratic partisans to believe that the reason they
lost this election is not because they chose a candidate
who was corrupt and who was extremely disliked and who
symbolized all of the worst failings of the Democratic
Party. It's extremely important to them not to face what is
really a systemic collapse on the part of the Democratic Party
as a political force in the United States, and the House and
the Senate and state houses and governorships all over the
country. And so in order not to face any of that and have to
confront their own failings, they instead want to focus
everything on Vladimir Putin and Russia and insist that the
reason they lost was because this big, bad dictator
interfered in the election and anyone who challenges or anyone
who questions that instantly becomes not just their enemy,
but now according to their framework, someone who's
actually unpatriotic that that if you question the evidence,
the sufficiency of the evidence to support this theory that
somehow your loyalties are suspect that you're not just a
critic of the Democratic Party, you're actually a stooge of or
an agent of the Kremlin. And obviously, we've seen this
rhetoric for decades during the Cold War, although back then it
was the far right.
I'm really happy. He jumped into this. This is exactly why we
really need the guy here. Because he was such a hero and
such a bastion of truth. And but of course, he worked very
closely with WikiLeaks. I'm sure this is why he's being
excoriating. We can't have any friend of WikiLeaks anywhere
now.
It's unbelievable. Here's a good play the kicker. Okay,
yeah. And of course of being a Kremlin operative, but it's just
this constant flow, not from fringe accounts online, but from
the Democratic operatives and pundants with the greatest
influence. In fact, Howard Dean, the former chairman of the
Democratic National Committee, went on Twitter three weeks ago
and said, I think it would be really interesting to find out
whether the intercept is receiving money from Russia or
Iran some something that he obviously has zero evidence or
basis for suggesting, This is what the Democratic Party has
become.
Well, Pierre Omidyar drive, my car is, of course, Persian.
So I would think that Pierre Omidyar would be irked about
that you
think? Yeah, but yeah, he's Persian, no salt. He is He is
Persian, I believe.
Could be Yeah, and that would be even more of an insult.
That's what makes it so fun. Now, do you want to continue
with Greg Green Road Home graph? Or do you want me to go back to
the other stuff? Why
don't you go back and then I do have another thing because I can
I,
we got it, we got to read it.
I can top anything you do.
Anything you can do, I can do better. Here's the morning crew
on CBS This Morning, who actually kind of are waking up
to the idea that maybe Russia didn't actually make Hillary
lose, and they're there with David Sanger from the New York
Times. Astounding.
Russia tried to interfere with the election. But to Kelly Ann's
point, did they influence the outcome of the election
and tip it in Donald Trump's favor?
I don't think anybody is in fact, any of that has happened.
And I think one of the interesting things that's going
on with the Trump campaign right now, or the Trump transition, is
that they are confusing the fact set of whether the Russians came
in what they did with the outcome, right. And they could
easily be in a position I think, and maybe after today's
briefing, but maybe not, though saying, okay, they think the
Russians were part of the groups that came in, but that is still
didn't affect the outcome. I think so far, they've sort of
conflated those two.
And that's why I asked the question in that way for that
very point. Because it is true, actually, that the Clinton
campaign spent more money in Georgia and Arizona than they
spent in Wisconsin and Michigan.
No, that's right. That's because the Russians have stayed out,
you could have exactly the same result. But that doesn't
necessarily mean the Russians didn't try.
Bo, this is fascinating to me. Everyone's like, Well, okay, the
report doesn't really show that it did anything. In fact, they
say didn't influence the campaign. And now they're kind
of questioning Hillary a little bit.
Well, this, this meme has got me bothered. And the meme is, well,
they didn't do anything about the voting machines. They didn't
do they didn't directly change anything. So that much we know.
But they did this that and they wanted to do this and they had
all these bad intentions. And by the way, this was all on you
know, public media. Yeah. Then way I said that here's the
question I'd asked one of these guys said, Well, what happens?
Let's just get rid of our tea and get rid of the tweeters. And
what if Russia just took out a bunch of anti Hillary
advertisements just paid for it that is that is that like some
sort of illegal act or something they can't do or they're not
allowed to take out an ad should the media would would refuse
these
ads. But why don't we go let me go through the document just for
a bit? Okay, let's do that because I do have more I know he
lips Yeah, I want to hear more of grin green Robin and I have
some of the the hearing I have a couple of clips from the
hearing. So the official title of the report is background to
assessing Russian activities and intentions in recent US
elections, colon, the analytic process and cyber incident
attribution. Alright.
Let's get the right name for
a report does So assessing Russian activities and
intentions and recent US elections is a declassified
version of a highly classified assessment that has provided
been provided to the President and to recipients approved by
the President, which apparently included NBC News who reported
on this, before it was even given to anyone else, certainly
the public. Then they say, of course, the intelligence
community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its
knowledge or the precise basis for its assessments, as the
release of such information would reveal sensitive sources
or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical
foreign intelligence in the future. So in other words, we're
not gonna tell you how we did it.
Then even did it the whole thing can be a bluff?
Well, when you read through this intelligence, community,
analysts integrate information from a wide range of sources,
including human sources, technical collection, open
source information, and apply specialized skills and
structured analytic tools to draw inferences informed by the
data available. Relevance, we do it, thank you. That's why I said
we could have done a better job on this report, relevant past
activity, logic and reasoning, that should have put in their
common sense to provide insight into what is happening in the
prospects for the future. But when Intelligence Committee
Allen says use such words, as we assess, or we judge, they're
conveying an analytic assessment or judgment. Okay. And now
there's a couple of things he does, this is just all the rules
they set up before the report, the nature of cyberspace, makes
attribution of cyber operations difficult, but not impossible.
The claim here, every kind of cyber operation, malicious or
not leaves a trail. I disagree with that assessment. It could
leave a trail, but the good hackers erase their tracks,
it's very possible that that you can do a lot online, in the
cyber, cyber, cyber and not leave a trail if you if you, of
course, go to the library, go to the library, and then from the
library, you check into a proxy. And from that proxy, you check
into another proxy, and then you post something and then, you
know, take the false nose off, you're off your face when you
leave the library. And then what was the trail?
I would so I would assert that as a false claim. An assessment
of attribution usually is not a simple statement of who
conducted an operation, but rather a series of judgments
that describe whether it was an isolated incident, who was the
likely perpetrator, the perpetrators possible
motivations, and whether a foreign government had a role in
ordering or leading the operation. So that is what they
talk about when it comes to assessment. Now the things that
are in this like key judgments, I'm just going to pick out a
couple of lines here. Russia's goals were to undermine public
faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary
Clinton, and harm her electability and potential
presidency, that is a claim. We have high confidence in these
judgments. CIA and FBI have high confidence in the judgments, NSA
has moderate confidence, and then they just out of the blue,
further information has come to light since Election Day, and
there's just That's it. There's no There's no explanation of
what the information is just further information, and that's
not at the gate explained anywhere in the document.
Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our
confidence in our assessment of Russian motivations and goals.
Again, I guess they're saying Russia is acting shifty.
Moscow's influence campaign followed a Russian messaging
strategy that blends covert intelligence operations such as
cyber activity with overt efforts by Russian government
agencies, state funded media, third party intermediaries, and
paid social media users or trolls. This is an intelligence
report. They use the word trolls Well, worse they say paid social
media users or trolls in quotes, so they're saying trolls are
paid social media users unless I'm misreading? Oh, that's
yeah, no, you have to assume that that's exactly what that
means. And I
think that is both grab total bull crap. Russian and Russia's
intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets
associated with the 2016. US presidential election, including
targets associated with both major US political parties says
it right there in the document. So let there be no confusion
over that. So of course, they assess with a
lot of confusion over that already, because Iran's previous
says that they were never hacked at the RNC. Well,
we assess with high confidence that Russian military
intelligence that will be Gru General Staff Main Intelligence
Directorate, use the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DC leaks.com to
release us victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and
an exclusive to media outlets and related material to
WikiLeaks. It's quite a mouthful. In addition, Russian
intelligence obtained to maintain access to elements of
multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS who is not
signing off on this report assesses that types of systems,
Russian actors targeted or compromised, were not involved
in vote tallying. I pulled that that line is interesting,
because there was the the only claims we heard about of local
US state or local electoral boards is that it was actually
DHS who was poking around in their servers, you recall? Yes,
they were the ones sport port span and port scanning and
pinging around. So
I want to point out to you that that thing that you are
concerned about that little statement there about vote
tally, is part of that meme I'm complaining about. And I do have
a conclusion to make about this. You want to do that now? No, no,
you're more than this. I just wanted to make you aware that
this thing keeps cropping up, right.
This is all still just the key findings, you know that nowhere
and this is the last bit of the key findings. There's no mention
of any proof for cyber tracks, which of course we know they
leave them everywhere. All we have is the statement that we
can't tell you that because it would ruin all of our spy craft.
However, Russia's state run propaganda machine contributed
to the influence campaign influence campaign by serving as
a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international
audiences. So I guess it was only for Russians and
international audiences not for the US electorate. I guess. We
assess mosta
what is the point of saying that? To me,
it debunks the entire thing. So they weren't
trying to invest it. When you watch our TR T did does have a
UK feed and some feeds elsewhere. Yeah, but that all
that stuff. In fact, it clips I played earlier from our tea.
They're not aimed at Argentina. No. But that was the aim. You
have that guy, Larry Johnson. That guy's talking to Americans,
but they specifically do not say US audience I don't understand
why not. However, finally, here we assess Moscow will apply
lessons learned from its Putin ordered campaign. Well, that
statement aimed at the US presidential election to future
influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and
their election processes. That is one of the dumbest things
I've ever heard. All right now been to the meat of the report.
Putin ordered the campaign to influence us election. We assess
with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin
ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at US presidential
election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine
public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate
Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential
presidency. Then, of course, all three agencies have judged this
with high confidence except for NSA. In trying to influence the
US election, we assess the Kremlin sought to advance its
long standing desire to undermine the US led liberal
democratic order, the promotion of which Putin and other senior
Russian leaders view as a threat to Russia and Putin regime. I
would say this is hearsay, Your Honor. I mean, they're just
making they're just saying stuff now. Oh, they're
just saying stuff. But I think that in a broad sense, they're
probably correct. Sure. oneworld, or order as the
Hillary Clinton side of it stands the the idea that we
should all be kind of slaves to these trade treaty agreements
that NAFTA, for example, really takes away a lot of our
sovereignty when you look into it, right. A who's Trade
Organization is the book you want to read to understand that.
That is a threat to Putin. I agree. Okay. I think it's a
threat to us, I think,
everybody, yes, Putin publicly pointed to the past. Panama
Papers disclosure and the Olympic doping scandal as US
directed efforts to defame Russia, suggesting you sought to
use disclosures to discredit the image of the United States and
cast it as hypocritical. Well, it is maybe not for that. But
Putin most likely, which is a very weak argument, most likely,
with high confidence. One I'm just making that up wanted to
discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed
her since 2011, for inciting mass protests against his regime
in late 2011, early 2012. And because he holds a grudge for
comments, he almost certainly saw as disparaging him. Yeah, I
agree with that, too. We assess Putin, his advisors and the
Russian government developed a clear preference for President
elect Trump over Secretary Clinton. And then they have a
couple of points here, I guess to prove that. Trump's stated
policy to work with Russia and pro Kremlin figures spoke highly
about what they saw as his Russia friendly positions on
Syria and Ukraine. Putin publicly contrasted the
president elects approach to Russia with Secretary Clinton's
quote, aggressive rhetoric. Moscow saw that the election of
President elect Trump as a way to achieve an international
counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State in
Iraq and the Levant. What a horrible idea. Putin has had
many positive experiences working with Western political
leaders, whose business interests made them more
disposed to deal with Russia, such as let's put another shitty
names in here. Former Italian Minister Silvio Berlusconi and
German Chancellor Agera Gerhard Schroeder. Now we go into, here
we go. We assess that influence campaigns are approved at the
highest levels of the Russian government, particularly those
that would be politically sensitive, Moscow's campaign aid
that the US election reflected years of investments in its
capabilities, which Moscow was honed in the former Soviet
states. Yeah, so they're saying Moscow is campaign to discredit
Secretary Clinton reflects the years of investment in its
capabilities, which Moscow was honed in the former Soviet
state. So they're saying this is pretty much the old KGB guys who
did this. That's the way I wrote it
really, in the end, and I'm gonna say that term at the end
of the day, this is about
our tea. Yes. And we're gonna get to that. But that
has got anything to do with the honing anything. Our tea, when
it first showed up was not very well honed. Until it, you know,
finally got a clue about how Western media works. It wasn't
honed by the, by the doing our tea in the sticks of the old
Soviet Union. No, Are they kidding with that assessment?
Apparently, everyone in mainstream media and in
Congress. Now check this out. I love putting this in an official
report. I always love it. By their nature. Russian influence
campaigns are multifaceted and designed to be deniable because
they use a mix of agents of influence, cutouts, front
organizations and false flag operations. Thank you for
legitimizing that,
yes, but what false flags? Are we talking about? That just
stating a fact? What cut outs are we talking about?
Moscow demonstrated this during the Ukraine Greek Ukraine crisis
in 2014, when Russia deployed forces and advisors to eastern
Ukraine and denied it publicly. That's their that's their that's
their proof? Yes. That's their proof. Okay, let me see. Then
they go on to say that,
that you mentioned it. Whatever happened to the report about
that downed airliner that the Dutch had, and they were
supposed to give us some clue about who actually shot that
plane down. Where's that?
No, it's never gonna happen since how long ago? Did
that happen? Two years. It's a preliminary report. And the
Russians were blamed all along. Yes, of course. Well, why don't
they show us and that's something we have some real
evidence. You got the black boxes. Why is it taking so long?
I'm sorry. That's okay. That's that was That was uncalled for
Go on.
Now, here's the assessment regarding how it got how it was
leaked the chain, the cutouts Gusa for 2.0, who claimed to be
an independent Romanian hacker made multiple contradictory
statements and false claims about his likely Russian
identity through the election. And this is great press
reporting suggests. So now we're relying on the press. Press
reporting suggests that more than one person claiming to be
geuss for 2.0 interacted with journalists. Content that we
assess was taken from email accounts targeted by the GRU in
March 2016 appeared on DC leaks. So they're saying that this is
all these were all fronts. the Kremlin's principle
international propaganda. outlet RT I love that the Kremlin their
principal that's that's it that's their principal that's
again that's it
ladies and gentlemen their principal propaganda outlet has
actively yeah well
I'll tell you we do a much better job we got NBC CBS and to
a lesser extent ABC and CNN now oh CNN and MSNBC divorce of
course okay so the propaganda outfit actively collaborated
with WikiLeaks Artis editor in chief visited WikiLeaks founder
Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London August 2013.
Were to discuss renewing his broadcast contract with R T.
Three years ago, they did an interview and RT routinely gives
a song sympathetic coverage who
has been on RT I think six to eight times during this when
they get a TV camera next to
them and so now now the report just gets really bad now they
just were writing to fill pages. DHS who did not sign off on the
report I remind you assesses that the types of systems we
observed Russian actors targeting or compromising are
not involved in vote tally, there's your meme job. There it
is one more time. DHS assesses that the types of systems we
observed Russian actors targeting or compromising are
not involved in vote tallying. And now we have Russian
propaganda efforts. This is where it gets a little crazy.
Russia state run propaganda machine compromise of its
domestic media apparatus, outlets targeting global
audiences such as RT and Sputnik and a network of quasi
government trolls. What does that mean? Quasi like? They're
fake government trolls. They were quasi doesn't that mean?
Like,
maybe it means? Man, what does it mean? That is very confusing
that term quasi It could mean that they're quasi there. There
are trolls? Nevermind
quasi second to help quasi definition. I
mean, it's kind of no,
apparently, but not real. Yeah, kind of same thing, right, man.
Well, so it's quasi government trolls means they're not really
government trolls.
Yeah, what does it mean? That's what I'm saying. This means this
is a meaningless. What does it mean? A quasi government troll.
They're real governmental. They're quasi they're half. Are
they working for the government? Are they trolls a pretend
they're working for the government? Or the government
guys pretending to be trolls? Or are they just phonies? I mean,
what does it mean?
I don't know. That's if I had an opportunity, I would get an
answer. Now they just go into all these things. Putin's chief
propagandist, Dimitri Kizzy left us his flagship weekly news news
magazine program to fall this fall to cast president elect
Trump as an outsider victimized by a corrupt political
establishment. Pro Kremlin proxy, Vladimir Zhirinovsky
leader, the nationalists Liberal Democratic Party of Russia
proclaimed just before the election that if President elect
Trump won Russia would drink champagne in anticipation of
being able to advance his positions on Syria and Ukraine.
Yes, we will drink champagne and we will snort caviar. On August
6, RTE published in English language video called Julian
Assange special do Wikileaks have the email that will put
Clinton in prison and an exclusive interview with Assange
entitled Clinton and ISIS funded by the same money? Artis most
popular video on Secretary Clinton quote 100% of the
Clinton's charity went to dot dot dot themselves had more than
9 million views on social media platforms. Artis most popular
English language video about the president length call a liked
called Trump will not be permitted to win featured
Assange and had 2.2 million views. And here we go Russia
used trolls as well as RT as part of its influence efforts to
denigrate Secretary Clinton. Really, yes, really? The likely
all of so let me get this straight. When you went on
Twitter all these people moaning and groaning about Clinton there
are trolls all of
them paid and as we know trolls are paid but they could be quasi
government troll so they could be paid trolls that aren't with
the government but I don't know. The likely financier of the so
called Internet Research Agency of professional trolls Is that
is that on the on the on the doorbell? Press here, press here
for us here for the Internet Research Agency of professional
trolls, which is located in St. Petersburg in a close in St.
Petersburg is a close Putin ally with ties to Russian
intelligence. Again here, a journalist who is a leading
expert on the internet It research agency claimed that
some social media accounts that appear to be tied to Russia's
professional trolls. There's another category because they
previously were devoted to supporting Russian actions in
Ukraine started to advocate for President elect Trump as early
as December 2015. So now we are talking about journalists who
are not made, who are so called experts on the internet research
agency of professional trolls claim that some social media
accounts were professional trolls. Are you kidding me? This
is ridiculous. And then, of course, they just kind of wrap
it up by saying this is what that's really the Russian
Foreign Intelligence Service SVR, though they're talking
about since the Cold War This is great. Since the Cold War,
Russian intelligence efforts related to US elections have
primarily focused on foreign intelligence collection. For
decades, Russia and Soviet intelligence services have
sought to collect insider information from US political
parties that could help Russian leaders understand a new US
administration's plans and priorities. Here's their
examples. The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service SVR
director at s those are like the Americans on the TV show. Wasn't
that the hot redhead who in 2010 were arrested. I think it may
have been the hot redhead. Yeah, yeah. So apparently they were
What was her name again?
I can't remember. They weren't red hot red faces.
They were deported to Moscow in 2010. But they report on the
28th election. In the 1970s, the KGB recruited a Democratic Party
activist who reported information about then
presidential hopeful Jimmy Carter's campaign. And, of
course, they have to say that Russia has sought to influence
elections across Europe. And that's it. That's it.
They'll never even mention if they're gonna do that mentioned
Teddy Kennedy in 1984, when he you know, contacted, openly
contacted Moscow to put a stop to Reagan No, no, not in there.
That's a price that's not in or that really bothers me that he
left that part out. I have to do a little research on it. So I
have more details. But it all the right wing talk shows
this but this judge, this is an essay. It's an essay that you
and I could have written now. They have snappy snazzy
graphics. Nice, cool graphics. We could have done a better job.
I think so this is I'm wondering if this was an outsourced?
Yeah, because it's interesting. You say that? Because the first
thing I thought this is this is an FIR. This is not an
intelligence report. Well, of course, is not. It's an
assessment of Russian activities. But it's using
sketchy sources. It's using social media as a source, social
media, social media, and, and they talk about trolls, paid
trolls, quasi government trolls, professional trolls, a lot of
trolls. And quite honestly, I think is it a micro aggression
against trolls?
Ah, yeah. And we have something there.
I shall wrap up this bit with the leaked report from NBC News,
which came out Thursday night, which I agree it's an outrage
that this before there were hearings before it was given to
anyone else. It was leaked to NBC. That of course is not okay.
But whatever.
Tonight, an exclusive inside look at a top secret report on
Russia, one that went directly to President Obama today. So
what does it reveal? To top intelligence officials with
direct knowledge of the report tell NBC News. It details
Russian cyber attacks against not just the Democratic National
Committee, but the White House, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the
State Department, even American companies, some hacks
successful, others forwarded. The report explains Moscow's
motives partly to disrupt the democratic process. And partly
as payback the intelligence analysts conclude for the Obama
administration's questioning of Vladimir Putin's legitimacy as
president. It's not just last year's presidential campaign
either. The report tracks Russian cyber activity back to
2008 and 2012. It does not speculate on whether Russia's
interference affected the outcome of 2016 while President
Obama
did you hear how they did that? That was interesting. They did
have this like a whole different audience like almost like it was
pushed in there. Like someone said, Hey, I love the report is
great and makes Russia sound like bunch of a holes. We have
to put one nugget of truth. Could you just put a little
little nugget in there. Just you know, just make just put a just
try that whether Russia's interference effect because it
was really beautiful the way they did that back to
2008 and 2012. It does not speculate on whether Russia's
interference affected the outcome of 2016 while President
Obama says that
was inserted after the fact that's obvious. Whole different
audio everything thrown in there. Like we have to put
something day
he has full faith in the conclusions of that report. Is
it an elected Trump? At the same briefing tomorrow has seemed
skeptical of the intelligence community. So far, the President
with NBC Chicago's Carol Marine, when
the President Elect receives
his own briefings and is able to examine the intelligence as his
team is put together, and they see how professional and
effective these agencies are, that some of those current
tensions will be reduced.
Chuck Schumer, although it was a few days ago, I went back and
watched him again as he was talking to Rachel Maddow. And he
said something that I thought was pretty outrageous. I
completely understood what he was saying, as you brought up,
we brought up Teddy Kennedy. But there are other things to think
about in Kennedy's when it comes to the intelligence services of
the United States. Here's the veiled threat that Chuck Schumer
throughout we're actually
told intelligence sources tell NBC News since this tweet has
been posted, that actually this intelligence briefing for the
president elect was always planned for Friday and hasn't
been delayed. But he's he's taking these shots, this
antagonisms, taunting to the intelligence community
you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways
from Sunday at getting back at you.
Really, Chuck? What is he saying? We're gonna kill him
say they're gonna kill him. That's it. You know, the funny
thing a couple of that's 51% of the American public believes
that the CIA killed Kennedy forwardly involve you.
In some way. We know that. Jackie Kennedy, but
Well, it could have been anybody by now who knows it was like 50
years ago. It's kind of beside the point. But that's kind of a
one of the senses of this. We also have the Ron Paul that the
comment he wants made, that the CIA took over and in a bloodless
coup in December when they killed Kennedy. Yes, yes. Yes,
that element was just floating around. And then we have in the
in the book that about the who's a book that Ron Baker wrote that
we have a family of secrets, family of secrets, it goes into
great detail about how the CIA got Richard Nixon with the whole
Watergate fiasco, right, right, by kind of being double agents
during that whole affair by by purposely screwing up so he'd
get caught, I think is one of the most fascinating parts of
that book. People should read that book, you know,
as we have this also part of that book, is the apparent fact
that Papa Bush, H Walker could not remember where he was the
day Kennedy was shot. Now sources have him in Dallas. And
he suppose it Yeah, but he's I can't remember where it was.
Every American and it remembers where they were everyone in the
world who was alive and conscious remembers where they
were. Yeah, but not in chemistry.
So there's that and so we have this kind of this oblique threat
by Schumer. But, but there's I think there's goading going on
there almost it's almost as if there's the mainstream media
people are going wow, you know, you can't do this. You can't
disparage the other ones that are emphasizing Oh, Trump's
disparaging He's insulting the agencies that are going on and
on about this are making a big stink about it. Play this clip,
Gus shields goading the CIA This is on PBS NewsHour.
I reject his disparagement, make that disdain openly for the
American intelligence community and its work is is damaging to
national security. I mean, the intelligence community and to
for the security of our nation for the well being of our
nation, for the economic prosperity of our nation and
competitiveness depends on sources and other places and
other nations depend upon our intelligence. And here we have
the president elect, dismissing disparaging, disdaining openly,
because it somehow in his way, his perspective diminishes his
victory. It's just astonishing.
Yeah, well, with respect, our intelligence agencies have done
some crazy crap in the past FBI in particular,
which we'll get to later.
I did want to mention that, you know, as we know that the DNC
servers were never investigated by FBI or NSA or any other
official agency because the DNC would not allow them to do that.
It of course, was CrowdStrike, who they brought in CrowdStrike
is stacked with former douchebags, former government
douchebags. And I also wanted to point out I just learned this
this morning. CrowdStrike is partially funded by Google
capital, who led $100 million financing round so just makes it
all that much more convenient. It wraps it up in a dozen I've
looked beautiful that way. I think it's fabulous. Now the I'm
thinking that these guys are in the media and I would put, I
think a lot of them are doing it unwittingly, which is saying
that Trump disparage this day hates him. He's getting into a
beef and I think it's all being created by them is kind of a
message to the agencies.
Kill him, kill him, kill him, kill him, kill him, kill him
kill him. Yeah,
that's what they're saying. Now, let's listen to Adam Schiff, who
was in Congress, a Democratic Representative from Southern
California. And he was
the guy that started with the didn't he start with the
Electoral College? We had him on Tucker.
Yes, he was. That was That was him. And he's also big buddies
with this huge Oh, everything's bipartisan, bipartisan agrees.
And when he talked bipartisan, he talks about what two
Republicans are always part of this bipartisan anti Russian
clique.
That would be Lindsey Graham and John McCain.
Exactly. Let's play this. This is the first clip this is the
one that just not the tampering clip. But the other one, I got
it,
what should have been taken that are not publicly known? Is it
your sense that the US is responding appropriately? Should
more be done? What should Americans? What should America
what should the United States be prepared to do as a result of
this?
I think what has been done so far by the current
administration is a first step it is by no means, I think,
sufficient, we need to work in Congress on a bipartisan basis,
we've reached out on the Democratic side to Senator
McCain and Graham on a package of sanctions, broader sanctions,
to make the Russians pay a price. But even beyond that, we
need a comprehensive approach to what is a very successful, well
funded Russian effort through a variety of vectors through as I
mentioned, you know, bribery of people and their media
platforms, their hacking the publishing of,
there was nothing in the report about bribery of people that I
see bringing
it up, you know, bribery of people and their media
platforms. They're hacking, the publishing of fake news, the
publishing bogus documents, we need to push back against all of
that. It's a threat to the German elections coming up. It's
French allies, our allies, and we need a comprehensive and hard
push back. It's the only thing the Russians understand. It's
the only thing that will deter them. Yeah, let's
go start a war.
Well, talking about that, here's McCain trying to start a war
when there those hearings were going on. With clapper up there
this McCain's questioning clapper specifically try and by
the way, clapper wouldn't answer this question the way McCain
won. And McCain had a kind of a smirk on his face afterwards
saying I tried. Yes.
Really, what we're talking about is, if there were if they
succeeded in, in changing the results of an election, which
none of us believe they were not, that would have to
constitute an attack on the United States of America because
of the effects if they had succeeded. Would you agree with
that?
The first we cannot say they wait
a minute. He's saying even though it didn't influence
because they did it with that intent. Therefore, it's a huge
issue. That's what he's saying.
Yeah, and don't and isn't it an act of war act
of war? First we did he say act of war. Yeah.
If they had succeeded, would you agree with that?
The first we cannot say they did not change any vote tallies or
anything of that sort. We had no, we had no way of gauging the
impact.
But it McCain said he tried to shut him up. When he said that
McCain jumped in for something that humble, we had
no way. The impact that certainly the intelligence
community can't gauge the impact it had on choices the electorate
made, there's no way to for us to gauge that. Whether or not
that constitutes an act of war, I think is a very heavy policy
call that I don't believe the intelligence community should
make. But it's certainly a would carry in my view, great gravity.
I have a clip from the same hearing with Lindsey Graham. If
I got the biggest sissy clip in the world. Lindsey Graham, here
we go.
Is there a difference between espionage and interfering in an
election?
Yeah, so espionage implies the, to me at least a passive Yeah.
Okay. passive collection, and this was much more activist.
So when it comes to espionage, we better be careful about
throwing rocks. When it comes to interfering in our election. We
better be ready to throw rocks. Do you agree with that?
That's a good metaphor.
I think what?
Really that's good metaphor, throwing rocks that says yes, a
great metaphor be
ready to throw rocks. Do you agree with that?
That's a good metaphor.
I think what Obama did was throw a pebble. I'm ready to throw a
rock.
At me just
taking your information about Russia's involvement in our
election and what they're doing throughout the world and be more
aggressive than President Obama, if I chose to.
That's your choice. And or
do you think he was, he was justified in imposing new
sanctions based on what Russia did? Or do? Okay? So to those of
you who want to throw rocks, you're gonna get a chance here
soon, you and if we don't throw rocks, and we're gonna make a
huge mistake,
he just wants to throw rocks,
I didn't get that clip, you get the borderline Clip of the Day
for that. I'm gonna throw a rock, a rock, for rock and now
rocks. Now back to shift. This is the one that this is my
favorite clip. All right. And this is the one where that I
think kind of gives me a clue to what might be the reason for
this meme. I'm bitching about and the meme again, the meme is
that the election results were not altered one iota by whatever
it was the Russians did
very hard for Congress to do it over his opposition.
Well, one of the other one of the comments he made after the
briefing, was he pointed out an emphasize he said he said he
appreciated the briefing. But he emphasized that the alleged
Russian action had in his words, absolutely no effect on the
outcome of the election. Now, my reading of what was made public
from this report is that they didn't examine whether the
hacking affected the outcome of the election.
That's exactly right. And I think that was very misleading
of the president elect to suggest that this report or the
presentation said there was no outcome effect no effect on the
election itself. It's true. There's no evidence that the
tampering with voting machines or tampering with voter
registrations, or any of that affected the counting of the
votes. That's true. Ah,
if you listen to that clip carefully, yeah, he
said, the counting of the votes, the tampering, the tampering,
the counting.
He said that there was tampering with the vote. But there was
tampering with the other with the county.
Oh, I know why then, because it was the Democrats who were
tampering and that's why they have to keep it quiet.
No, I don't think that's it. I think this is a scheme. They're
going to they're going to keep this up this pressure. I'm sure
that Democrats were tampering Yes. But that's not the point.
The point is they've got it. They keep this meme alive. So
it's like, okay, it wasn't a failure. Oh, wasn't effect it
wasn't effect. Schiff just said there was tampering. The tamper.
Yes, said there was tampering, yes. But it did not affect the
outcome. No, he well play that little. And again, tell me
whether he really said that.
Well, let me actually
play that clip about halfway through.
Make sure I got the right one, how much she said,
Let's go out. Go over it. Again. She said that the report did not
say that there was tampering or the tampering affected the
outcome or anything that Russians did affected the
outcome. And he agreed. He says, Yeah, there was nothing in the
report. And then he talked about what's
your answer? And again, I'm liking this very hard
for Congress to do it over his opposition.
Well, one of the other one of the comments he made after the
briefing, was he pointed out an emphasize he said he said he
appreciated the briefing. But he emphasized that the alleged
Russian action had in his words, absolutely no effect on the
outcome of the election. Now, my reading of what was made public
from this report is that they didn't examine whether the
hacking affected the outcome of the election.
That's exactly right. And I think that was very misleading
of the president elect to suggest that this report or the
presentation said there was no outcome effect no effect on the
election itself. It's true. There's no evidence that the
tampering with voting machines or tampering with voter
registrations, or any of that affected the counting of the
votes. That's true.
You're right. The tampering didn't affect the accounting. So
that doesn't mean that the votes weren't falsified. Just when
they counted them. There was no tampering.
That will He say it would this would I think he's done because
he's on the Intelligence Committee. He is stupidly
bringing up the end of the kind of the next stage of this
because I don't think he should have said that at all. Yeah, he
shouldn't have said anything he's just said the alleged
tampering or the suppose it that he didn't do any of that. He
said the tampering as is If there was tampering, which I
think is going to be the next thing that comes out the next
the the other was tampering and no you because you're letting
everybody step into this trap. Oh, there is no and even McCain
does it and he's in on those committees too. So he knows how
to do this. And he says it right? There's no proof of what
he's leaving out is there's no proof yet. There's no proof that
they outcome of the election was affected by anything that
Russians did. There's no proof yet. And so he does it right.
But he keeps the this. That's what's bothering me about the
meme. It's in play.
Right. I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah, I
think you're right, we have to keep our eye on it.
Yeah, and then you're gonna see the next thing they're gonna do,
they're gonna fight oops, there was tampering,
the President did issue an executive order, which didn't
get a lot of play Executive Order, taking additional steps
to address the national emergency. With respect to
significant malicious cyber enabled activities, I will only
read the opening here. By the authority vested in me I BARACK
OBAMA, PRESIDENT United States of America in order to take
additional steps to deal with the National Emergency with
respect to significant malicious cyber enabled activities
declared in executive order 13 694 of April 1 2015. And in
view of the increasing use of such activities to undermine
democratic processes or institutions, hereby order, all
property and interest in property that are in the United
States that here after come within the United States, or
that here, or that our or hereafter come within possession
or control the United States person, blah, blah, okay. So if
you, any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury,
interestingly, in consultation with the Attorney General and
the Secretary of State to be responsible for or complicit in,
or to have engaged in directly or indirectly, cyber enabled
activities originating from or directed by persons located in
whole or in substantial part outside the United States, that
are reasonably likely to result in or have materially
contributed to a significant threat to the national security,
foreign policy, economic health of financial stability of the
United States, which includes harming or otherwise
significantly compromising the provision of services by a
computer network, or computers that support one or more
entities of critical infrastructure, this is what
it's about. So now, he's putting election systems under critical
infrastructure, tampering with altering or causing a
misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of
interfering with or undermining election processes or
institutions. And it goes on and on. So this is now that means a
whole new set of rules come into play, if there's suspicion of
that, and that could be part of the setup of what you're talking
about. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I think is a good possibility that this is
definitely going on.
Now. For future I thought, Admiral Michael Rogers, who is
now running NSA, I thought he had a very interesting
statement, when asked what he what you know, that's what keeps
you awake at night? What are you worried about? What I remember,
what is what are you so frightened about for the future?
Here's his answer.
When I look at the challenges and the threats, it's in no
particular order, significant extraction of information and
insight that is generating economic advantage for others.
That is eroding operational advantage at times for us as a
nation. That is, as you have seen in this Russian piece,
where we're not just the extraction, but then the use of
this information adds a whole nother dimension. And what
concerns me that beyond all that is, what happens is we start to
move into an environment in which not only is information
being I've heard some people use the phrase weaponized, what
happens when now we start people, we see people suddenly
manipulating our network. So it is the data that we're looking
at. That would be a real fundamental game changer to me.
And to me, it's only a question of the when the this is going to
happen. And what happens when the non state actor decides that
cyber offers an asymmetric advantage to them, because their
sense of risk, and their willingness to destroy the
status quo is significantly different and greater than your
typical nation state. Those are the kinds of long term things.
So as we've talked about, more broadly today, we've got to get
better on the defensive side, because part of deterrence is
making it harder for them to succeed. I acknowledge that but
a defensive strategy alone isn't going to work. It is a resource
intensive approach to doing business, and it puts us on the
wrong end of the cost equation. That's a losing strategy for us.
But it is a component of a strategy. We have got to ask
ourselves, how do we change this broader dynamic to go to the
point you've heard repeatedly today, how do we convince
nations and other actors out there that there is a price to
pay for this behavior, that in fact it is not in your best
interest and what should Let price be, oh, it's a wide, it's
a wide range of, there's no one silver bullet, which is another
show along with me. If we're looking for the perfect
solution, there isn't one bomb them, again, be a variety of
incremental solutions and efforts that are going to play
out over time. There's no one single approach here.
So what he's saying is, you know, and we've heard this
before, this was the initial defense from people like Donna
Brazil, I and they they changed the information. These are my
emails, I don't recognize that this will be grayed out, I would
say for the, for the climate change people. Wow, well,
numbers, the numbers were changed by Russia, we wasted all
this time thinking we were gonna die, it'd be perfect out for
them. And it would be one of them. Ted Cruz, who was asking
this question had a little editorial after the admirals
response, like the
one about manipulating Russians and climate change is great.
Right. We've heard the other Russians change the data. I'm
sorry, back to the drawing board. Well, on
your point about manipulating data, but a month ago, I chaired
a different committee a hearing on artificial intelligence and
our growing economies growing reliance on artificial
intelligence. And one of the things that the witnesses
testified there was concern on the cybersecurity side Listen,
of a hack that would modify the big data that's being relied on
for artificial intelligence to change the decision making in a
way nobody's even aware it's been changed. And I think that's
a a threat. I hope that you all are examining closely, and it's
the sort of threat that could have significant repercussions.
Without anyone even being aware it's happening. I would
really love to see the good professor Theodore Kaczynski
testify. Because that's what you're saying Teddy Cruz. None
of this ends. Well, of course, that's dangerous. He's right.
It's a huge
day. He's right. But he's wrong. Well, yeah. Just shut down the
internet. And we'll be fine. Yeah, power. We thought this was
a good idea to begin with the internet.
Yeah. Tim Berners Lee, of course,
I've said it numerous times. Even when the early days of
this. I'm very consistent. I said, the first thing you should
have done is shut down the internet for at least a couple
of months to get rid of TCP IP, because that's really the base
of the problem and find something else that works
better. Get rid of Lillian secure, you want to get works
great. I mean, yeah, you're gonna
you want to go back to Novell network?
Yeah. Token Ring ring, a token
ring. You did? I think I
said it a little sooner. Because of the lag.
I think she'll go back to frame relay connections. I'm ready for
it. Now. I do have I do have one jokey, jokey kicker. Okay. Go
jokey kicker. Nancy Pelosi places the blame squarely on the
media.
I really say to you, my friends in the press, with all due
respect for the guardians of First Amendment that you are
the guardians of the First Amendment that you are,
I really say to you, my friends in the press with all due
respect for that's your job to Chicago guardians of First
Amendment that you are that you're accomplices in this
because every single day, Jeremy and Hillary lost me mail that
was embarrassing to the Clinton administration without saying
this is we know this because of disruption by a foreign power
into our electoral system.
Yeah. So you have to disclaim every WikiLeaks email with
Oh, is that defending the First Amendment?
Well, do you have this? Yes. What you have to do slave
into our electoral system is and so did it affect the Clinton
campaign? Horse? Of course it would. It hadn't come out
differently. I don't know. Because there are many factors
in an election.
Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Nancy. Douche All right. That's all I
got. I think we might have beaten this one to death. It's a
stupid I
liked it. I think this is good, because this is going to be the
future of news. Let's see if there's anything I need to play
before we get out of here with Chuck. I did yeah. Chuck Schumer
at least this play a little bit of him. Okay. This is Schumer
babbling is the Senate so they did they're all introduce
themselves. So this is Shoom part part of Schumer's long
winded bull crap about you know, Trump being a crappy president
and he's already laid down the gauntlet.
So when he calls Chuck Schumer, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Schumer babbling as new leader.
I'm sorry.
I got it serious thought and action. These issues are too
important. From your words, our challenges too entrenched for
mere tweeting. Making America Great Again, requires more than
140 characters per issue. With all due respect, America cannot
afford a Twitter presidency. We have real challenges and we have
real needs to get things done. And many Americans are afraid,
Mr. President Elect, then instead of rolling up your
sleeves, and forging serious policies for you, Twitter
suffices. There's nothing wrong with using Twitter to speak to
the American people. It's a good use of modern media. But these
issues are complex, and demand both careful consideration and
action. We cannot tweet them away. For instance, a tweet
bragging about the 800 jobs that were saved at the carrier plant
doesn't solve the underlying problem. While it's good the 800
jobs were saved even a carrier 1300 jobs are still leaving
hundreds more jobs are leaving it from the nearby Rexnord giant
down the road. Gone Qualcomm.
Sorry, he goes on and on about all these things that the
Democrats have done nothing about for the last eight years.
And he's bitching and moaning. So So apparently, which is the
other clip that when you started to play, would you now to play
this other clip? The Chuck Schumer clown room? I didn't
know this happened, but apparently, Trump called Schumer
a clown. I never heard that mirror it goes
to when he calls Chuck Schumer the head clown work?
What does it help? How does it possibly help? I mean, he's
gonna need Chuck Schumer, Chuck Schumer is a proud and able and
dedication bands. And you don't want him as an opponent. You
don't want him as a sworn adversary. And he's a formidable
authority is legislatively. Why do it? It's because,
you know, I, while we're on this, that I was gonna save this
clip, but while we're on people slamming Trump particularly for
tweeting, I need to play this clip. I consider Jason Calacanis
to be a friend. I've known him for a long time, back to the
Silicon Alley days in New York. He's an odd duck. And I always I
always thought that he and Trump actually are a little similar in
the way they speak. And just some things are to be familiar.
And these days, he is a as far as I know, an unpaid
correspondent on CNBC, to go talk about technology related
issues. And again, he knows a lot about Silicon Valley and
funding and angel investing. And you know, he knows a decent
amount about technology. But when it comes to this, I gotta
say he's overstepped his bounds. And he's really he really comes
off as a douchebag. Well, I
would say we're starting to see exactly how disastrous the Trump
presidency can be tweeting first, and then getting the
intelligence second is the worst possible strategy you could have
when dealing with cyber attacks. You don't want to force the
intelligence community intelligence community to tip
their cards and explain how they get their information, who they
get their information from when they got it
there's Jays did miss these talking points is Mr. Talking
Points all of a sudden, so here he is, oh, well, you know, we
have methods we can't disclose
what you want to do is meet with the intelligence community,
respect the hard work, the dangerous work that they do,
where they put their lives at risk, collect the information,
and then you don't want to explain to Julian Assange, you
know, the PR, you know, Putin's organization
really, really, really Jason Julian Assange is the PR agency
for Vladimir Putin. I mean, these offices off the
reservation with this shit,
I know explain to Julian Assange, you know, the PR, you
know, Putin's organization, or to Putin, how you're getting
your information, Trump is an absolute unmitigated disaster
right now, this is incredibly dangerous. When it comes to
cybersecurity. You've never explained how you catch people
that is like a proprietary secret that you would never want
Putin to understand. Because then they can close those
loopholes. They can close the access we have to their
information. It's a disaster, I think what you want to do is you
want to back your team, in all things, first, hear the
information first, and then form an opinion, forming opinions and
then spewing them on Twitter at 6am or 7am. Without thinking
about them or having collected the information is idiotic.
Let's not sit here and try to normalize what Trump is doing.
This is insane behavior. And we're sitting here trying to
pretend like Oh, but he's so good at Twitter. He's so good
with this, you know, negotiating on Twitter. This is not a normal
negotiation. We're dealing with superpowers and information
about rigging and dismantling our democracy. There is nothing
normal about this. This is idiotic, dangerous behavior.
Let's not sit here and try to ignore Otherwise,
he will certainly be asked to come back with that kind of
talk. They love that. Yeah, probably. But that's I'm very
disappointed.
Well, I am too. I didn't realize he was such a hill, but I don't
even
think he's a hill bodies, too. He's just trying to be you have
to beat him. No, no, he's he's trying to be a cybersecurity
expert, which is with us. That's the whole reason why, you know,
Tina, and I watched the McAfee documentary. Of course, after
she went into the show notes, looked at the clip and said,
Boy, you guys made a good call not to play that. And then we
looked at the call. Okay. You made the
call. I'm just saying because you I was getting resistance.
Yeah, but I didn't push. I mean, ultimately, I know, I control
that.
When you insist on some I don't, I'm not going to
kind of read. Okay, fine. Okay. You get all the credit. Good,
man.
I don't want to credit I just don't want. I just don't I just
wanted to make clear that you would have played the clip? No,
I
don't think so. Anyway, that documentary. I will tell you
right now, that is McAfee is behind it. He is biased. Oh,
yeah. Oh, for sure. He's behind it, and it is positioning him as
a cybersecurity expert.
Okay. I have not seen the clip. I mean, the documentary in its
entirety. I would have thought it was because of that sub clip
that we put on the show notes which anyone can listen to.
Yeah, I would think that it was a hit piece
in context of the documentary. It only adds to his craziness.
Which I'm telling you this thing is a propaganda documentary for
him to reposition him as a cybersecurity expert, which he
and I mean, and the clue for me, I should have clipped it
the closer to it than
Calacanis. Well, that's for sure. The clue was he ran for
Libertarian candidate and came in second behind Gary Johnson.
That is not how a documentarian would position what happened
with the primary. And Bt was not even nor close to me. He was
Okay second, but nowhere close to Gary Johnson in votes. So
that was it. I'm telling you, you watch this
thing. Okay. I'm taking your word for it.
He's pretty much insane, though. It's frankly crazy.
He's always been a little Andy. Yeah. But anyway, after hearing
that, what he likes to eat, I'm decided that I'm not gonna take
him up on the dinner. He owes me
one other thing just before we take our break. Sunday night I
watched just, Tina wasn't handling. And that's when I
watch Grand Tour. I watched Jay Leno's Garage, and also watched
the accountant the Ben Affleck movie.
I just watched that a week ago. Well,
what did you notice?
Oh I didn't I just enjoyed the movie. I didn't notice anything
particularly
I noticed that the end I thought it got went very heavy on we
have to respect her autistic children. They could be
brilliant. Yeah, so we got that that was a message message who
was the executive producer of this movie? I don't remember
much. Our new Secretary of the Treasury Munch Yeah, he he was
also executive producer on Saly executive producer on Mad Max
this guy's a huge Hollywood guy.
Really? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. mancia is so I immediately went to see if he
had I couldn't find it because this morning before the show. I
have a feeling that he may somehow maybe has an autistic
child or something because there was such a strong it was like
the artist like the Autism Foundation had financed part of
the movie.
Yeah, well because at the end it was all about he you know, he
just guy steals money left and right now to steal he gets big
fees for working with the shady characters as to beyond the run
all the time. And then launder the money only so I can give it
to this one operation which is autism. Kind of a hotel.
Yeah. And he was autistic himself. Of course. Yeah, then I
look into the IMDB of Monty oh my god this guy has done a lot.
And but he's a Goldman guy, isn't he?
Goldman or I think JP Morgan who
I think is a Goldman guy and I think he's part of that division
of the of the company that does a lot of finances movies, and
he's like shows up as executive producer. I think I could be
wrong. Let me see I have it caught me off guard.
Yeah, it was like whoa, this is interesting. Oh, here I can find
it here. I think we ended up figure out how to pronounce his
name when Munch
Munch is good.
Munch Melenchon Okay, I am the DB. Check this out. You'll love
this. Okay, I am DB Here's his most recent movies the ones that
are coming out the LEGO Ninjago Movie but the ones we would know
Salih, The Legend of Tarzan Keanu Batman vs Superman Dawn of
Justice. There's a ton of them here. I don't know all of the
Man from UNCLE the 2015 version Mad Max Fury Road. American
Sniper. And the guy's been around the Lego movie a lot of
movies. Yeah.
The money guy.
Yeah, that's a real money guy.
Yeah. I thought that was he had some money people too, you know?
Yeah, but
I thought that was interesting. That was interesting. Yes. So
with that comment, I would like to thank you for your courage
and say in the morning to you John C where the C stands for
cyber reports are better when we do them Devorah back
in the morning you Mr. Adam curry. Also in the morning they
all ships at sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in
the water and all the demons and nights out there.
Yes. In the morning to everybody in the chat room. No agenda
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Good to have you and in the morning to our artists of
supreme, Nick the rat, who got it. He always gets it. When it
comes to simple artwork. This of course was for Episode Eight,
nine or two foot stomp. Yeah, he did a blue hat with Make America
sick again. Which was exactly, exactly spot on spot on the
money. That's
actually what we requested.
That was exactly it is indeed exactly what we requested. And
it was something else I was gonna say about that. Oh, yes,
the the title was foot stomp. And we received a lot of a lot
of notes. I'm sure you receive them as well, John, no, oh foot
stomp is it's a real training. If you're a cadet in the army,
this is what you learn. We're going to foot stomp that into
you. So it is a term it is a military term that we just not
familiar with.
Well, coming from the guys chief DNI intelligence guy,
I'm just saying
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He was in the vortex I guess. Yeah, he was. Adam. I'll see him
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Dame Angela. from Vegas, of course, who produced the I love
laundry tour has agreed to produce the the Australia and
New Zealand tour.
Does it have a name yet a title? Well, we
have a couple of names. The Hokey Pokey tour, for some
reason is funny in New Zealand. Yeah, the pavlova tour? Not sure
what that means?
I have a lot of Pavlov's dog.
I don't know the pavlova. I don't know why. But I did get a
kind of a concerning message. Oh, yeah, that apparently
Australia is very sharp on people who come in and do stuff
without filing the proper paperwork. So if you do a
documentary or anything else like that, or if you come into
work and do shows that if they if they hear about it, and the
person who told me said Yeah, they're pretty sharp about this
stuff. It's not easy to do stuff in Australia. You know, if you
want to move there, you have to be a rocket scientist or have a
lot of money. That's pretty much the only way I can be against
marriage. I couldn't get you in. And he said, No, you really need
to get the proper paperwork to do that, which I think is okay.
He is a producer even said, probably if you talk to the
tourism bureau, they may even pay for the trip, which I don't
really want. But I do want I don't want to get kicked out of
the country. If that's really true.
I think it is you just Yeah, you should do some. I would talk to
the tourism bureau right here to help you out on this.
Right. But that but I don't know, but I don't want it but
I've done tourism bureau stuff. And then it's like, Well, you
got to talk about this. You got to talk about what will fly on
cuantas you got to talk about quantity.
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the shooting.
Well, do we have any? Yes, we shall have the long I have a
long. I have the full NBC report. I have a car I have an
overview shorter report from NBC but the blog report which is
long you can kill it but is doing in all caps, says Fort
Lauderdale full.
Okay, what's long let me see that's not too long. Let's have
a listen for a background
evening airport baggage claim became a scene of carnage and
bloodshed when a gunman began firing into a crowd of arriving
passengers today at Florida's Fort Lauderdale Hollywood
International Airport. 13 people were shot five of them killed
before the 26 year old suspect was finally subdued. The
shooting touched off a panic that sent passengers and airport
workers fleeing onto the tarmac. SWAT teams descended on the
airport amid concerns there might be other attackers.
I got to say something about that. When I saw the footage of
people running across runways, all I thought to myself was this
airport has no plan. That that is a the security
risk is show security breach. With that, that
that place had no plan. How can people run out on active
runways? Active taxiways. That was that was truly insane. I was
doing I kid got it. Yes, I know how airports work. This was a
breakdown.
But tonight Police say the gunman operated alone and had
himself just arrived off the flight and used a weapon that
had apparently been in his checked luggage. Our team is in
full place with coverage of the attack and the investigation.
Let's begin with NBC News. Kerry Sanders has been at the scene
all afternoon. Jerry what's the latest?
Well, good evening, Lester. The airport remain shut down all
roads in and out closed. There are 10s of 1000s of passengers
who are being told to still remain here and shelter in place
and many of them are panicked and anxious even now after
witnessing the horrific deaths here. Just before 1pm has
passengers gathered in baggage claim and terminal two shots
fired a chaotic and horrific scene. Bags scattered frightened
passengers and airport workers streaming out gathering on the
tarmac. Officials responding within minutes I've been working
on it this time on tactical channel one. casualty incident.
One witness told us the shooter was relentless.
He continued firing. And I know that at one point he stopped and
reloaded and continued firing again
the Wechsler family. We're headed home to Denver after a
Caribbean cruise.
We looked down the end of the terminal and started seeing
people running. It might be a good idea to get out of
there when it was over eight wounded five dead. Broward
County SWAT teams deputies in the FBI swarmed the area
immediately looking for the suspect apprehending him shortly
after 26 year old estava and Santiago. His route he flew on
Delta Airlines from Anchorage to Minneapolis and on to Fort
Lauderdale. Nine hours in the air. The weapon he used in the
attack was in his checked luggage. According to witnesses
after he got his luggage. He then got the gun loaded in a
bathroom and began shooting without saying a word he
allegedly reloaded several times. Once he ran out of
bullets he allegedly put the gun down and got down on the floor
waiting for authorities.
We have the shooter in custody. He's unharmed no law enforcement
fired any shots. The subject is being interviewed by a team of
FBI agents
all right that is part of the background we're missing some
pieces there but that wasn't well I got another little while
before we do that before we do that because I want to get into
that I know what you got to do. First we need to go into the
immediate reaction and analysis that was taking place on the
news channels CNN knows exactly what's gonna happen with their
panel of former secret service dudes and other dishes. This is
a wow this is never heard of this.
I just brought you know I brought two handguns down to
Charleston South Carolina
what what did
they immediately make that the point your wait wait you'll hear
it
would you have to do is you have to go when you go to Kennedy.
You go to the Port Authority police. They check your weapon
they check my permit, make sure everything's okay then it's
gotta be put in your luggage. Yeah, so apparently anybody can
do that who's licensed? You know, because the police at that
airport was specifically showed us so I think this man put this
weapon in his luggage like like that. And whether or not he
checked it or not. There's a possibility they might not have
caught it. All right, and was able to recruit
it down communally, lawfully,
lawfully, totally lawfully and then decide to do this. So
changing. You can see no question about that
can be new legislation. Yep.
Yeah, definitely. Definitely a game changer at this point that
just Just that fact if that is, if that's correct, you know,
you're checking checking firearms is going to change, you
know, moving forward. I mean, it almost had assume this is now a
new and it's it's unfortunate.
It's just when you think of everything we go through to get
on a plane these days right shoes, liquids searching, to
think that you know, someone could grab a firearm and could
place it in there lawfully if you fill out the proper
paperwork, right? And then you get to baggage claim right? And
you pull the gun out, because there's no metal detectors. What
a disaster correctly. Now.
Clearly, we have to look at this loophole. It needs to be
completely changed.
Yeah, has to be completely stop.
Are these people insane? Tell me what the difference is between
what that guy did. And me taking a gun or saying the guy himself
taking a gun? Going down to the second level walking into
baggage claim, which there is no there was zero?
Exactly It is of course, it's the accounting shooting up the
place you couldn't you couldn't walk straight into baggage claim
everybody can walk into baggage claim. Yeah, that's over. No
more happy to
change all the laws because of this situation. Even though that
situation as John
is to think about it, think about it, if you are L three or
one of these Homeland Security, you know, contracted companies.
Oh my now we get to protect baggage claim, which means we'll
have you know, you have to come in through a metal detector or a
body scan or you can't just come no more happy hellos at the
airport. No, no. Shut up and sit in the cell phone lot. There's a
meme for two, we have a meme. I mean,
the other challenge that we have is that you are able to check a
firearm and the procedures here in place were followed. But we
most definitely and I'm gonna go back to Washington and start
work on this need to review the procedures, not only the
question of whether or not you should be allowed to check a
firearm when you travel at all, rather than shipping or
transported in some other way. But we need to more minute ly
examine the question. If humans aren't going to continue to
allow that. In what way? Are we going to reunite you with your
firearm?
I love that. How we will reunite you with your firearm? Debbie
Wasserman Schultz,
yes, we could tell that horrible voice of hers, like scraping
your fingernails on a chalkboard.
Now, a piece of information came out and and then where it came
from all the reports, I have been able to assess. It was not
from the intelligence agencies themselves, or from the FBI
themselves, I'd have not been able to find an official
statement from them. But everyone was in New Jersey, they
were outside some ontem. Some reporters got in, talk to them,
a number of reporters were able to go inside and speak to the
ad. And the aunt actually said that her nephew had a baby that
he's the youngest of five siblings. They live both in
Puerto Rico and also in Florida, which may explain why he was on
his way to Florida. She said that he served in Iraq, from
December, I'm sorry, from April 2010 to February 2011. That was
in Iraq. He was deployed when he returned, she said that he was
really acting strangely. And he was discharged in August of this
past year. And a couple of months later, that's when he
walked into the FBI agent saying that somebody from the US
intelligence agency was was speaking to him. He was heard of
hearing these voices. And that's when he was questioned and taken
to a medical facility for that medical evaluation.
So FBI does admit that, in fact, I have the second I think it's
this one. They admit that he did walk into an FBI office but no
mention of this. Alaska. Yeah, but yes, but no mention of this.
This intelligence talking to him and telling him to watch ISIS
videos, but this is what the official word was. The
individual
did walk into our anchorage office in November, he came in
and spoke with FBI agents. At that time, he clearly stated
that he did not intend to harm anyone. However, his erratic
behavior concerned FBI agents that were interviewing him, and
they contacted local police and turned him over to the local
police. He was taken into custody by the local police and
transported to a medical facility for a mental health
evaluation. We looked at his contacts we looked at, we did
our interagency checks and everything. And at that point,
we closed our assessment.
Alright, so two things about this one, this is the second the
second FBI failure the previous one was the The Orlando
nightclub shooter pulse. Omar Mateen. He also was investigated
by FBI. So two failures, I have to call it a failure. But what
interests No, no.
That's a nice pointing. Well,
let me let me just finish and then that may help you with your
point of view. This FBI agent on the scene. They flashed up his
name George Piero. I'm like, wait a minute, I know this guy.
George Piero is not just any FBI agent. He is the special agent
in charge. At the Federal Bureau of Investigations Miami field
office, he was the team leader and lead interrogator of the
Saddam Hussein interrogation team. This is the guy who
interrogated Hussein while he was imprisoned in Iraq. And
through his conversations, he learned that Iraq did not have
weapons of mass destruction at the time of the invasion. 2003
But he had some other info. But this guy is a is a top notch
terrorism guy from the FBI. I thought that was interesting. He
shows up.
Yes to I would think
he was in 22,007. He was serving as supervisory FBI Joint
Terrorism Task Force in the Washington Field Office. So I
don't know I just thought, okay, that's that's an interesting guy
to roll out to be the spokes haul for this incident.
Yes, it seems unlikely. I don't know why they do that. Play that
for this one. This is a good it's somewhat of an analysis
after the long ABC NBC report is the Fort Lauderdale Airport
shooting clip.
Oh, yes, I have it here. Got it.
That's correspondent Pete Williams has been working his
sources all day. He joins us now from Washington with new
details. Pete What can you tell us?
Well, Leicester law enforcement officials say tonight that they
do not consider this an act of terrorism. They say the suspect
was struggling with serious mental health issues. Officials
say estaban Santiago was undergoing treatment for mental
health problems complaining that he was hearing voices. They say
a few months ago he walked into the FBIs office in Anchorage,
complaining that the CIA was forcing him to join ISIS.
Officials say the local police were called and he went
voluntarily to a mental health facility for treatment. His aunt
and uncle in Union City New Jersey near where officials say
Santiago was born say they believe he developed problems
after a military deployment overseas military record show he
signed up for the National Guard in 2007. While he was living in
Puerto Rico, where the family is from the record show he was on
duty as a combat engineer for 10 months in Iraq returning five
years ago. He was discharged last August. Family members say
he went to Alaska looking for work where he had a son and was
receiving psychological counseling their investigators
say they've heard from witnesses that who say he got into an
altercation on board one of the flights but whatever that was,
it wasn't serious enough for the airline to call the police. So
tonight it's still unanswered why he opened fire and why in
the Fort Lauderdale Airport Lester
Pete Williams Thank you Pete and worried that the alleged gunman
had apparently retrieved a firearm from his check baggage
before opening fire. It's shining a spotlight and a whole
new set of concerns among them. What are the restrictions on
checking away and border
finish and what have I done? Yeah,
well, there's a simple fix but that's not going to be the fix
that come up with me you can obviously say you can check your
your firearm but no ammo. That would be the well it'd be good.
Yeah, that's not going to but the problem is obvious and the
solution is a bunch of money waiting to be picked up as well.
Yeah, yeah. It
shows right to me. Yeah. Now I was concerned about I mean, I'm
gonna have my I have a crackpot theory I'm taking your position
in this you come up with something better, but theory
about this whole thing. Okay. But I was very concerned about
the widespread panic that took place and you talked about a
little bit already but apparently it was way beyond
that with people in the other terminals thinking something was
going on in there and the general public it's very it's to
me it's very disconcerting how they panic to such an extreme.
And it's almost as though this was like a test of
everybody is is so wired and so keyed and so has been so
traumatized. About airport shooting. Thank
you media. Yes. Could we play this this is a clip from NBC
said discussing that would happen after the guy was
actually already in custody. Which one is the job of Fort
Lauderdale widespread panic, yes.
And around 230 more chaos panic in another terminal terminal
one. As passengers they are thought they heard more shots.
Authorities telling them to evacuate also to evacuate
terminal to people ran outside falling in the rush to get away.
Others like Callie Hazel Grove hiding them. She could,
there was another shooting and we hid behind something like
this in the airport for a while. And then we realized everyone
else was gone. So we ran outside
those already outside running and crouching, taking cover
behind cars. Around the same time reports of a suspicious
person in a parking garage nearby, you would later turn out
nothing was going on in the garage. And there were no shots
fired in Terminal One. Meanwhile, a complete ground
stop, John, all flights in and out of Fort Lauderdale Hollywood
International Airport. Yeah.
I find that to be well, there. There was other things. I mean,
first, the timing of this was was interesting. At the same
moment, the intelligence assessment came out. So it was
like flip flopping back and forth. And I'm pretty sure that
it's much easier just for people just to hear the headline. Putin
something okay. Yeah. Because they're all looking to everyone
who's no one's afraid when it comes to Russia or crashing or
being shot at an airline in the airport. People are gonna watch
the airport. And of course, you know, when you have a guy
saying, they're talking in my head telling me to watch ISIS
videos, there's something going on?
Well, I thought this was an here's what I thought at from
the most extreme crackpot perspective. And I've learned
this from you. Yes. And also taught you well, my son, yes.
And basically, based on what we've seen before, for the past
two, or three or four or five years that we've deconstructed
this guy, his eye and it's almost a comedy scene in a funny
movie. This guy has been, supposedly now this is only from
right wing talk shows that it doesn't show up in any of the
mainstream news media. He's a converted Muslim. Yes, that's
what I heard as well.
And he was living near what the apparently the only mosque he
wasn't living near. He was a mile away from it. But it was
from the only mosque in Alaska. And that's why he was living in
that little area. Uh huh. And so I think he was targeted. This
the crackpot theory now I'm liking it. So far, so good. He
was targeted by the FBI to be one of the Stooges because he
was at convert. He has all the right elements. Now you say, Oh,
look, even the Puerto Ricans are susceptible to this sort of
thing. Yeah. And they and veteran
veteran veteran, you got crazy PTSD veteran. Everything's in
there.
So the FBI poses as the CIA.
Oh, man, yes.
To get him which they've done before. Yep, they've done this
before they poses another agency. And they get him to get
they tried to get him on board with a scheme of theirs, which
is an FBI scheme to become like a shooter that they you know,
gets killed in the process, which was the idea, of course,
which is the idea at the end should have been killed. And so
then he stupidly goes to the FBI itself, and they're aware of
this situation is Oh, my God, this guy's in here talking to
us. Throw him in the nuthouse as fast as you can. So they have
him arrested. They throw him into the insane asylum nearby.
But a clerical error lets him out. A cleric of well, either
that or he gets out now some way or another after he's been
programmed, at least or unprepared, programmed enough so
that he knows to go to Florida and shoot up the place with a
gun that he apparently has with him and hit the ideas. He goes
nuts there, the Florida police go crazy and kill him. Boom,
problem solved.
Yeah, that didn't work out the way they wanted it to. This will
be interesting. As
he surrendered, he put the gun down and then went into the
position where you agree if you shoot me, it's just murder.
Yeah. And so they arrested him, which was the big screw up in
this scheme. I'm all in. I'm all in. So now he's got a crackpot
theory. Oh, they haven't this. Yeah, he's involved. He's bald.
This was all part of the old six week cycle. And somebody just
messed up. They picked the wrong guy. They didn't evaluate him
properly. He wasn't gonna go for any of this. So now, they're
gonna have to kill him while he's in custody. Now, did
he travel through Canada when he came through? No. Okay. He never
traveled to Canada. It was a flight to Minnesota,
Minneapolis. From Alaska. That means he was flying on Northwest
right? It was they never mentioned I don't know what the
point of this Canadian story was all about. I didn't quite
understand that either. Go the Canadians the Canadians don't
let you do you have a gun in the condo? They don't I think it was
just no I checked the needle that Canadians Yeah. I think was
the needle the Canadians the Canadian airlines really came
out too hard and strong all over the places it is bullcrap. This
guy's not on our any of our itineraries. Right. They did
that everyone dropped that line of everything. They just said,
Oh, I guess we were wrong. And but no, he went from Minneapolis
into good five from Minneapolis. So
in this case, you know, you're kind of like shields, you know,
or Brooks KNOW WHAT ARE YOU Brooks you're I got my side of
the fence up. where's the where's the pushback? Yeah, I
know, bad, very bad. It's programmatically wrong, but
okay. I like it
makes more sense than any other narrative.
Yeah, well, MK Ultra is alive and well, as far as I'm
concerned. You know, on the last show, we were talking about the,
the four black youths who had kidnapped the white youth and
tortured him and broadcasted on Facebook Live. And we were
talking about how the, you know, the media obviously, was not
playing it up as as, as they would if the roles have been
reversed, if it had been for white youth and black youth. So
I have a couple of clips because what was interesting is that no
one wanted to classify this in the media, or even in the White
House, you'll hear in a moment as a hate crime. And I think
that we're all so afraid to be the first to classified as a
hate crime in case you know, they were on the wrong side of
history. It was really, really, really literacy to watch and I
ended up just before I roll out these set of clips. The FBI
fbi.gov Has the definition of a hate crime on their website. So
let's review what a hate crime is. Just so we can see what they
were hemming and hawing about. Yes, I hate crime do yes, they
hate crime is a traditional offense, like murder, arson, or
vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of
collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as and
I quote, criminal offenses against a person or property
motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a
race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity,
gender, or gender identity. Hate itself is not a crime and the
FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other
civil liberties. So that is the definition of a hate crime. Not
that hard that we have. We actually have a political thing
in here because of the Trump. We have a racial thing here because
it's black versus white. And we have a disability thing in here
so it kind of hits three of the main points but nails it
everyone's rule. Let's be quiet. Let's not and now CBS these
these eight holes are so biased. This is the initial reporting
from CBS radio radio news.
The viral video of a beating a knife attack in Chicago suggests
the assault had racial overtones. CBS de manos tells us
the victim is described as a mentally challenged teenager. In
the video, he is choked and repeatedly called the N word and
His clothes are slashed and he is terrorized with a knife is
alleged captors repeatedly referenced Donald Trump police
are holding for people in connection with the attack.
Now does that sound like it was reversed to you?
That's exactly what it sounds like. And it's so shameful that
CBS went out of its way to pull every example that you cannot
get that clip now.
I know they pull it off. I got it. Thank goodness. Yes,
batteries, shameful indeed.
They call it was the worst example of anything or it made
it sound like a bunch of white guys who are Trump supporters.
Yeah. beaten up and calling N N word on this
poor. Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like. It was really
just the best example that you could find of CBS, the CIA
broadcasting being extremely biased and trying to just cover
up the story. It was there's no explanation for this.
Now into the examples here is The Josh Earnest White House,
just powered by just don't know if we can call it a hate crime.
I mean, yeah, I'm big disability white, but it's very hard or
hey, why is it not firing? Obviously,
this is something that's gotten a lot of attention and for good
reason, with this rise to the level of a hate crime, in your
opinion.
I think it's too early to tell I certainly too early to don't
want to predict where the where the investigation would lead. I
think our expectation would be that local law enforcement would
follow the facts. And I wouldn't speculate at this point about to
what degree federal officials would get involved for
considering those kinds of crimes. And it's really a
decision by the Department of Justice to investigate a matter
like this is something that is a decision that they would have to
make alone
and it's really mind boggling to me that the whole conversation
is around. Is this a hate crime. It's a freakin crime. You
committed a crime of kidnapping asking for ransom threatening
you Who gives a shit sorry, timecode who care's this whole
notion of hate crime now it's about hate crime hate crime.
There's this is only being positioned now to talk about
hate crime versus just crime. Now Don Lemon, as you know, he
is the legend of the overnight television news business. He had
a whole conversation with a whole bunch of people and why
don't we ask the constitutional lawyer JEFFREY TOOBIN. If this
is a hate crime, police say
they still they're still investigating. They won't
classify it as a hate crime. Is this a hate crime?
Well, I don't know. And I don't want to judge the too much.
Because you know, frankly, even the video has so
it's so easy. I've just read the definition. How hard can it be
to say, yeah, it's a hate crime, because you're a bunch of
pussies is what you are the bleeps that you would need to
hear that what he says, oh, there was too many bleeps. I
couldn't figure out what the bleeps were. So I don't know if
it was a hate crime. Did you see the color of everybody involved?
Here's
some of the offenders Jeff. Shouting F Trump F white people.
Do you think that this was politically motivated, a
politically motivated crime?
Are these just stupid kids? This is my favorite. This is the
narrative they will just stupid kids. So the options are, was
this politically motivated or just stupid kids? The option
glaringly missing option is was it racially motivated Don Lemon?
I get really mad at this guy
made it a politically motivated crime. Are these just stupid
kids?
I mean, that's all your options, just stupid kids.
You know, I'm gonna say the three words you're never allowed
to say on cable news, which are I don't know. Now G. Cop Out.
P you. You know this is the liberals, at least a contingent
that's running things. The narrative is that black skin
cannot be racist. That's correct, and therefore could
never take part in a hate crime because you have to be a racist
to do that. Well,
let us then listen in on a conversation between Don Lemon
and Robin Sanders, Robin Sanders, black woman, it's
notable in this particular clip, who used to be Bernie Sanders,
PR manager, your you know her big mouth. Why don't we ask her
so now we have two black people who have an opportunity to do
something good here.
I can't say that it's a hate crime because Chicago police
won't say it. They're saying they're still investigating it.
They're not investigate. They they're not done with their
investigation. But when you look at this, Simone, they're saying,
Simone, well, F Trump. How can you say it's not a hate crime
against the white Simone Sanders.
So first, I want to say this is absolutely sickening. It's, It's
unfathomable that so much hate and anger can fill up a person
where they go out. And they think that this is okay. And
then it was stupid to do it on Facebook Live, but that's a
whole nother story. Actually,
there's the meme again. Stupid kids. Just stupid kids. Just
stupid kids. You watch a stupid case.
So this is absolutely sickening. But I'm gonna say something
that's probably not very popular. We cannot callously go
about classifying things as a hate crime motive here matters.
So was this for hate of Donald Trump, the President Elect
because of the things he has said, or was this for pure hate
of white people that matters? Because if we start going
around, and anytime someone says something, or does something
really egregious, really bad and sickening in this instance, in
connection with the president elect, or Donald Trump or even
President Obama, for that matter, because of their
political leanings, that is slippery territory. That is not
a hate crime, hate crimes are because of a person.
Do you hear this? She's talking the hate crime out of it,
because, well, you can't classify people saying bad
things about Donald Trump as a hate crime. Maybe when you're
pushing someone's head in the toilet and saying it may be
that's a hate crime, just to maybe you have to flush it
before. It's a hate crime,
racial ethnicity, their religion, their gender, and we
cannot sit here and ignore that for at least for the last year
on very public display. The worst parts of America have been
brought from the fringe into the mainstream. So that affects
people on both sides. We've talked about white nationalists
and white supremacists and the kk k, but they're also this when
this inflammatory rhetoric is out there, when someone is
repeatedly telling you that your community is the worst of the
worst. It brings out the worst of the worst in people and so
I'm not defending what they did. What these young people did was
sickening. I would I would argue that they also need some help
and in addition to, you know, some consequences, but this just
didn't come out of thin air.
It's not a hate crime. It's all Donald Trump's own fault. Boy,
Trump's fault
and I got nothing after I hear that just wow, you know, I know
you got another you know, Yeah, if you haven't seen it yet, I
know you love the comedies. Dana Carvey has a new comedy special
out. And it's titled, single white man, male, comma 60. And I
have to say, if he's brilliant, every single, you know,
everything you can't say as a white male, he makes jokes about
throughout this entire thing. It's fabulous. My new hero of
the
single white onions are rebelling against a lot of
comedians are rebelling against what's going on. They have
because it is it's ruining their audience. They can't do gigs at
all
that's left for the comedians as podcasts. And you're all doing
now because they can't go to college campuses anymore. They
can't go to comedy clubs. Everyone's getting blood
slammed.
Yeah, I haven't seen the new Carvey thing, but I would, I
would assume that of all the people getting screwed by
situation he one of them and I can see him doing a very good
bit on it.
He also does a brilliant bit. Check it out. He also does a
brilliant it looks right. Yes. He does a brilliant bit, where
he's Paul McCartney. And he's talking to John Lennon, who's in
heaven. And he's explaining the explaining iPhones and the
internet. And Kim Kardashian.
It's fantastic. It's really It's very good. It's very, very good.
Okay, what else do we have? Well, do you want to would you
like to take a break or?
Well, let me just say there's a entre Oh, yeah, I got one. I got
launcher ma before the break. All right. Flew,
flew. We just got the flu is the flu Oh,
warning about the flu. The CDC says this season is worse than
last more than 10,000 reported cases nationwide, is hitting
especially hard on the coasts and reaching epidemic levels in
Washington state where at least 10 people have died. While
doctors do say the flu shot is a good match for this year's
dominant strain. And it's not too late to get
Wow, there's the promotion. There it is.
Gotta get that. You know,
I was disappointed because I had this clip from Thursday show
from the local Washington state broadcaster and they did they
messed it up
here. According to Dr. Jeff du Chien at Seattle King County
Public Health, the number of people seen a hospital emergency
rooms with flu like symptoms is more than they've seen at this
time of year than in the previous five years. This graph
helps illustrate the situation in our state right now. In the
51st week. Last year, the percentage of ER visits jumped
to 2.2%, spiking earlier and almost at the same rate as the
peak high of last year, late February 2.9%. So what we're
seeing right now, spiking earlier, and almost as high as
last year since the season began in September, statewide, there
have been nine deaths and this is very concerning to officials.
The state is now declaring the flu widespread in Washington.
And while all age groups appear to be affected, the incidence
was highest among children and young people under 24. And
here's the bad news. Oh, Dr. du Chien says as far as the flu, we
haven't peaked yet,
but she forgot the payoff. I was
very disappointed. Yeah, that's just crypto screw told very
disappointing.
I didn't understand what she was. She messed that up. was
weird. All right.
Well, more little ones, but we can do I'd like to do a clip
blitz with maybe Oh, four clips at the end of the show. Oh, you
wonder the end. Okay. All right. Yeah, we can take a break right
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okay. Yes, this is a very important report. It is porn
hubs 2016 Year in Review. And I find it always very interesting
to see what types and what categories of porn different
countries are viewing. I think it tells you something about the
country.
Like it reminds me of leg mins rationale, the dirty joke a very
famous folklore resource that were leg men whose thesis is
that you can tell a person's what their person that you did a
little bit about their personality but by what kind of
jokes. Dirty jokes in particular, what kind of jokes
do they tell? Yeah, you can learn a little
I would agree. I would agree. Yes. And we learn a lot of very
interesting things from this search behavior from different
countries now first of all, when it comes to just traffic in
general United States top of the bill, we win. We're number one
big foam finger. We watched the most porn followed by you just
want to guess.
Let me think. Now it's just done per capita or total population.
I guess the Germans?
No, no, no, United Kingdom is number two. Oh, I
was gonna guess them. That was my second choice.
Number three on the list is Canada. Number four, is India.
Number five, yeah, Japan, then we get France, Germany,
Australia, Italy, Brazil, Mexico, Russia, Spain,
Philippines, ha Netherlands, way down the bottom there. Poland,
Sweden, Argentina, Belgium. And bottom of the list is South
Africa. Now let's look at the most searched for terms. And
these are pretty consistent across the board with some
obvious differences per country. And some and there's a new entry
that I'd like to discuss. Number one, and this, you know, it
surprises me that I actually had a conversation not too long ago
with the keeper about this. And I'm surprised that this is the
number one. Well, maybe I'm not surprised when I think about how
men are being de masculinized What do you think the number one
porn search term is? John?
I would just type in porn. No,
no, there's I mean, this categories, you know,
I don't know. I have no idea wouldn't have a clue Tim's?
Nope. Lesbian. Number one, number one search porn term
lead. I would have never guessed that. No. Number two. Stepmom.
What, step mom that's even more surprised.
Number three milk. Then we get teen step sister, mom, cartoon.
Hen Thai massage. Japanese and the new entry. Overwatch.
Overwatch? Yeah,
yeah, that's what I said Overwatch.
I don't even know what it means.
Okay, this is this shows you how the culture is collapsing.
Overwatch is a video game. And it's really a platform. At this
point. I think it was who it was. The old game guys. Who were
the game guys. You remember? I'll tell you what Overwatch
was.
Goodson and Todd meant no, it
was. Blizzard Blizzard Entertainment. Yeah. And they
have a toolkit so you can manipulate your characters. And
there's a huge category in porn now is computer generated
rendered porno. So you have these you know, and a lot of
these video game characters are already you know, highly
sexualized. So now they just have you know, genitals and you
know, and very, it's all animated, but it's real
pornographic depictions. But that is a and this is high in
several countries. So we're gonna get to that. After that
After Overwatch and old favorites on the way down the
list Angel was just on its way out. Ebony threesome almost at
the bottom of the list lesbian scissoring I mean, Jace, you
have lesbians at the top but scissors is going away cream pie
Asian black squirt and gangbang at the bottom of the list now.
Let's look at By country United States and you heard some of
these you heard some of the search terms. What do you think
the top three are for the United States? Remember we are being
number one was lesbian now it's actually stepmom number one
lesbian number two step sister number three.
Okay. Yep. And makes sense based on your thesis? Yes,
Overwatch comes in at the bottom. Now we'll go to actually
this is a quick intermezzo time spent per visit shows you
something very funny. Of course we know there's a lot of fraud
going on in the internet. So what is the number one country
that spends the most time watching porn?
Not us. No, we're number two we're number three. I have no
idea the Philippines
of course that's where all the click farms are.
Oh, oh, so they're not really watching porn now. They're just
clicking around and watching the hit. They're doing what they do
right to Philippines and India both which may account for some
of India's numbers are both click farms so you hire them.
This is a very common scam which is why we ask our producers to
help pay for our show because everybody else is scamming the
advertisers. And that's how you do it. You hired there's certain
firms you can hire. Yep. And they will put together a click
farm and usually in The Philippines and India and they
just go on your site and start pounding your site with all
kinds of clicks and the advertisers go oh, look at all
that click around
and number two and I would wager they have some farms as well as
South Africa. So either they're really horny or they gotta click
farms
but they're so low on the overall list why would they be
so high on that watching now it's not you're right. It's got
to be clicked probably a new a new area for click farms.
Nice little category here time spent per visit for the United
States. So states that spent the time the longest and then the
shortest, which I guess you could extrapolate to say guys
who take a really long time and who take a very short time.
Mississippi watches porn the longest Alabama, Arkansas,
Louisiana, South Carolina. The shortest time Oregon Utah Kansas
Colorado. Yeah, okay, now we go into I know isn't that funny?
United Kingdom. Let's look at their their top searches. top
searches lesbian MILF stepsister British steps stepmom. Ooh,
lesbian seduces straight girl who is a good one. And they do
not have Overwatch on that list. We go to Canada, Canada also
becoming very feminine lesbian stepsister MILF, stepmom all in
the top but top gaming searches and this is across the board
virtual reality and oh my favorite Oh Canada. Oh Canada.
Number three on their top gaming searches surprise come in mouth.
Wow. Gee, Canada, you're a bunch of nice guys. A baby don't worry
about hey, that's a word to the wise if you're going out with
now, here's what I found interesting. You get to other
countries like India. And their top searches are Indian Indian
wife Indian College, Indian actress Indian teacher, Indian
Auntie Indian Auntie with young team. So they're all about their
own. They don't want to see any Americans they want to see
Indians Japan same thing. top searches Japanese Japanese teen
Japanese amateur Japanese wife Japan Japanese massage Japanese
school.
Interesting racial overtones you would think
top gaming searches in Japan Japan sex game show. Magic
Mirror car. And Japanese amateur ass This is top search. And
again for France. We see French friend says my mom concept
massager. And those are the top ones VR again, really climbing
the charts everywhere. Germany of course. German teen Deutsch
German Mom Mom stepmom stepsister German dirty talk
massage. Wow, this is all about women in in Germany with gaming
searches virtual reality again. Skyrim I did not look that one
up. real celebrity sex tape ball busting and October fest? Yes.
Now Australia, we're going to Australia. Oddly, Australian
itself bottom of the list, but lesbian MILF Asian massage
cartoon stepmom boom Overwatch comes in on the list there.
Harley Quinn. I don't know Harley, she's some porn. Italy
also Italian. Oh, number three in Italy foot job. Foot job for
the Italians. See, they don't have any Overwatch Brazil. Top
of the list. I
mean that Overwatch isn't on anybody's list. Wow. No,
no, it is. It is but they're not in the top. No, it's on
everyone's list but not in the top. But in Brazil. It is number
one.
Well, the Brazilians have a very strong social media structure to
their society. And they like to just a social it their social,
and so Overwatch must be a social game.
Russia also number one, Overwatch. Spain number three
Overwatch. The Philippines? Not at all. The Netherlands. Let me
see No, no Overwatch six the Netherlands.
Okay, well, I don't know what those Overwatch thing is. So I'm
gonna have to look into it.
Yeah, it well. Here Argentina. Number two. What is just I told
you what it is.
It's it's a sex game of like real life? No, no,
it's a video game. But just like Grand Theft Auto you can modify
it. So they're modifying the characters and they're creating
sex scenes will they then video to do that they capture and then
publish that as a sex video. And they put storylines in it and
all kinds of stuff. It's it's interesting, but the sad thing
is, it's not real sex.
No, doesn't sound like real sex to me. There's
something there that needs to be looked at by someone who knows
much more about this than we do.
Well, what I when I run into this sort of thing, I always say
the same thing and I say it in my writings. I say it everywhere
I can. No one pays attention, but I say it anyway. The
sociologists that work at a major university should look
into this.
They should. But here's the thing that threw me off though.
And I'll end with that. They also split it up by search terms
by gender. And this is this really threw me off. So men's
favorites. Milk stepmom, stepsister, Japanese mom, teen
lesbian, stepmom, Mom and son celebrity sex tape hentai ebony
massage cartoon, anal and Asian Women's favorites. Lesbian
lesbian scissoring threesome big black dick lesbian seduces
straight woman, stepdad and her daughter black extreme. gangbang
Japanese gang bang massage lesbian threesome cartoon
squirting orgasm anal. I mean, wow, women. So they're
apparently pushing the lesbian stuff up.
lesbianism is in a is hot.
I'm telling you. I mean as as in trendy hot. Yeah. I don't know.
Right. I think someone should indeed look at this. Well, they
should think there's something going on.
There's been something going on and we're just a reporters.
That's right. All right. Well, thanks for that report.
Back to you in the studio, John.
As long as it was. Come on.
All right. You just don't like those words.
No, I just thought the words the length is the length and which
does have some something to do with it. Okay, what Yeah, I got
I got a couple of funny things. I got this goal. It should be
part of the clip Blitz. I have I hear I can I get to play this
anyway, let's play this.
Do you not want to finish the Greenwald stuff? Because I
thought there was more that we could do there?
No, I think the Greenwell stuff was fine the way he did it. And
we don't need the extra stuff. But I do have to play this
because I have to. I wonder if there's mixed feelings at NBC
when Jimmy Fallon does this gag. Now Jimmy Fallon is being
introduced is going to be the host of the Golden Globes which
are tonight. Yes, that's true. So he does this joke and I'm and
I have to think to myself, What would then be see, can they get
in a suit come up to him and say, you know, we're trying not
to trivialize this. You're making fun of it, because it's
really counterproductive for the narrative that we're trying to
push in this country that the Russians are bad actors. So you
don't make light of it like he doesn't is part of the promotion
for the Golden Globes biggest scars in TV. You must
be sure to catch all the winners voted on by you. The Russian
hackers.
Sell and host the Golden Globe Award Don't you think?
I think it brings the academy into question quite honestly.
I would say that. I would say that if I'm an NBC executive and
I know what I'm supposed to do. And then he does this joke. But
you the Russian hacker as a little rich. Yes. I'm thinking
like can we tell him Can we gripe at him but he's like the
number one nighttime show now it's just Jimmy just Joe no
one's gonna die. He's just kidding around. I I really
thinks somebody talks discuss this at the network level.
That is funny. That is very funny. YEAH. YEAH. Jimmy, you
wanted on the 34th floor.
Here's my one of my favorite closer today. This guy's name
definitely is Dean Kenya's ex head of the NRA, who was also a
book writer, and he's written books defending the Second
Amendment. And he was on a C span talking about his book. And
I believe it was he said, Yes, it was. And this is a little
anecdote he threw in I have a couple more of him that I will
use in other shows. But this is an anecdote he throws in about
the show they have it they play it on CNBC or not CNBC been on C
span where the where they bring in a bunch of reporters, and
they host a breakfast and this guy's grill. Oh, gosh, yes, yes,
I know. Exactly. Science Monitor breakfast. Here's his little
story about his reporters in the gun show
during what we call our gunfight with when I was president of the
NRA with the Obama administration. I was invited to
the the Christian Science Monitor breakfast used to be
known as the Sperling breakfast in Washington. So maybe 50 or 60
print broadcast reporters and they have a guest there that
they call rang or asked question. So I As the I was to
be put on the spit one morning, and somebody brought up the
question of the gun show loophole. And I said, I have a
question for all of you how many people at this table? How many
of you reporters who write about this have ever been to a gun
show? Nobody raised their hand. So I said, okay, it just happens
that next weekend, in Virginia, just outside Washington is going
to be the largest gun show in this region. So the editor of
the monitor will pass around a sign up sheet, and I will host
you, I'll take you there. So you can look at this. And then if
you want, we can go to the NRA, and you can do whatever you want
there. So that way, you'll know what you're writing about. And
the poor guy called me Wednesday of the next week, and he said,
nobody signed up. My reaction was, why would you want to know
about something you were reporting? So
yeah, that would be crazy. Yeah, nuts. Don't be doing that. I
don't find that out about anything.
A lot of people that are in the media, especially modern New
reporters, and ones that don't even like to go drinking, a lot
of these people would feel shame ashamed of themselves if they
went to bed show. Exactly. Are you going to take him up on that
offer to go to the gun show? I
would never, never I never to gardening and jumping to your
right.
I would never go to a gun show. There's guns there. And that's
the way they are. They're extremely kind of closeted.
Yeah. Well, it's it really get out there. And there's this kind
of monitor reporting we get, they don't know what they're
talking about. It's
the same thing as not wanting to say something as a hate crime
when it obviously is, it's the same. It's the same shame or
worry or fear. I got a quick multiparty really short clips
about the the women organizing the March on Washington, DC.
This is now this is this is supposed to be a really big
deal. And I was interested because it was Carol. Carol at
facebook.com/carol. CNN, who had these two women on one is
Latina. The other is I don't know where she's from, but she's
Muslim. She's wearing hijab. And as as I was listening to them,
I'm like, Oh, my God. First of all, if this is how you become,
I'll just say people who hate Donald Trump are going to
organize, this is going to be a big failure. There. There's so
much hate, that they're not even really focusing on how to do
this properly, and how to communicate to people. And while
just here's a little intro of these two ladies and the genesis
of the movement
today after President elect Trump is inaugurated, hundreds
of 1000s of women will take dC by storm they have one mission
in mind. So the bold message to our government on Mr. Trump's
first day in office 200,000 Women are expected to attend.
Joining me now are the co chairs of the Women's March on
Washington, Linda Sarsour, and Carmen Perez. Welcome to both of
you. So you guys don't belong to any political group. Yeah,
200,000 women like condiment? How did you do that?
So really, a woman by the name of Teresa who's from Hawaii, put
up a photo op post and sent it to 40 of her friends. And when
she woke up 10,000 women were joining her in Washington, DC.
And so there were other women who also had kind of felt this
despair after the election and wanted to find hope in DC
together. So this woman has given her blessing to other
women. One of our other national co chairs is Bob bland, who is
also founder of the march.
Now this is interesting, because it was kind of a throwaway line
at the end there about Bob bland. I like Bob brand, who the
hell is Bob bland? Well, Bob bland, you've got to check this
up, is a woman that she's the CEO and co founder of
manufacture in New York, a social enterprise that is
rethinking the fashion ecosystem, and creating a new
vertically integrated business model that will transform
apparel and textile production for the 21st century. So this is
a bunch of Fashionistas. The way I see it, Bob bland is going to
be there, you know, gives a crap about but she's a VC funded
shill in the fashion industry. So then let's talk about this
grassroots movement that includes shock celebrities. This
is a
grassroots effort. And because we don't belong to any political
groups, we have no loyalties to any political groups that we
aren't able to show what ordinary Americans are capable
of doing. This is going to be from the grassroots up we have
bus cold you think that
day they're trying to say it's grassroots here. Do you think I
get the impression? The grass involved? Yeah, but there's
money in there with VCs and Bob bland and he was across the
country and over 45 states. We have about 144 sister marches
that are happening here in the United States but also globally
in Europe and places like Australia. We have so many
exciting people like America for era
oh yes America for another fashionista. She was on the the
that fat fashions sitcom, whatever the hell it was.
Perfect Betty Betty Betty Dumbo what was it whatever it was, so
I have no more fashion. Yes.
People like America Ferreira who is part of his she's chairing
our artists table artists table. No, Carmen is
mentor Harry Belafonte is culture. Yes, Harry Belafonte,
Stein,
who just came on board. And so we've been very valid.
No, no, they are not affiliated with any party whatsoever. Now,
now comes the part where that you can see the organization is
stupid. So
what is the point? What is that?
What is the point? What is what is the bold message you want to
send? What bold message then to the Trump administration? I
mean,
you cannot ignore 200,000. Conservatives just based on the
numbers of buses that we have, because there could be random
people and random busses that we don't know about yet. That we
will not be ignored there. We want our President left in the
new administration and our congress and senate. This is not
just about Donald Trump, this is about our government, fashion
colors or women, we will protect the most vulnerable amongst us.
We are intersectional human beings we are
what your strengths are sectional human beings. What
does that mean? I looked it up for us. Intersectionality is a
term first coined in 1989 by American civil rights advocate
and leading scholar of the critical race theory, Kimberly
Williams Crenshaw, it is the study of overlapping or
intersectional social identities and related systems of
oppression, domination and discrimination. I think what it
means if you're intersectional, is you can be just as big an
asshole as men. I think that's that's the idea. I think.
Yeah, I think you're probably not right. But there's no
definition that that makes no sense what you just read about
it. That's the definition. And she's the one who defined it.
I think that we are intersectional podcasters.
I think it's people that are standing in the middle of the
street, they don't really know where they should go. It's just
one of those streets. Do I cross here rush the middle and you
have to go one by street. Intersection?
Yes, in total, that we are women, we will protect the most
vulnerable amongst us. We are intersectional human beings, we
are impacted by so many issues, including reproductive rights,
issues of immigration of racial justice, religious freedom
issues. So we are going to be out there with a broad spectrum
of people from class who is going to be assessed to
reproductive rights to women's rights to immigration, instead
of one man,
one bold message, it's going to be 100 people who are going
climate change, and it would be like gays and this is going to
be horrible. This is not gonna get you right, no
native issues and issues. We're here. We're watching you, we're
ready to fight back. And this is what happens when ordinary
people are going to stand up and say we're coming to you to
Washington DC on your first day.
So that is clearly clearly a very bold message. But really in
this the last bit, just a shorter you can really hear
that. Really they just hate Trump. That's what it's about.
Women is one thing, this this idea that women are so shallow
that we cared when we see other women, women doesn't mean that
you stand for my issue. So if you're appointing women, but
they're you're telling me you're going to defund Planned
Parenthood, I don't want to hear that. So I understand that women
are a lot more sophisticated. We're a lot more intelligent
than he thinks we
are. Then he thinks we are. There you go. So they just hate
Trump. That's pretty much it. If you just hate Trump and come on
over and do your thing and just hate Trump. That's what it will
be. All right. All right. It's time. Okay, the Blitz clip
Blitz. Yes, hold on, we
only got three left. The final submission of the votes in
Congress when Biden was up there and the Democrats who always
could accuse Trump of doing this tried to interrupt the final
Electoral College count in in the session of the House and
Senate rules.
In today's other news, the election of Donald Trump as
president was certified when Congress tallied the Electoral
College votes. Vice President Joe Biden presided as a number
of House Democrats objected. But none had the support of a
senator, as the rules require, even as people waited hours.
There's no debate. And if there's not signed by a senator,
the objection cannot be entertained,
Mr. President that the objection is signed by a member of the
House but not yet by a member of the Senate. It is over.
Mr. Trump finished with 304 electoral votes to 227 for
Hillary Clinton.
Let me let me let me throw a clip in there because Biden said
something at the end of that which you didn't have on your
clip,
the purpose of this joint session, having been concluded,
pursuant to the Senate concurrent resolution to With
the 115 Congress the chair declares the joint session
dissolved.
Now listen, wait for it he says God Save the Queen. The very end
very funny. All right,
Face Time manslaughter
story face time manslaughter story.
tech giant Apple faces a new lawsuit over a popular app used
by millions parents in Texas contend a driver was distracted
while using Apple's facetime when he hit their car and killed
their five year old daughter. The suit questions whether Apple
should do more to stop accidents just like this. And besides
Miguel Elmiger has that story.
Nice good. Cute little girl two is a shame. Air rage and
conclusion. It's another call they should be.
Air rage seems to be taking off from this brawl on the flight
from Baltimore. This takedown in Charlotte to Popstar Richard
Marx helping subdue and unruly passenger last week worldwide
there were more than 10,000 cases of air rage reported by
airlines last year a 16% jump from
the year before.
I don't think that alcohol really is the cause of the
increase in air rage. The real cause of air rage increase is
the lack of personal space on aircraft.
Know the shocking thing about that story with Richard marks.
He's He's married to Daisy Fuentes. Yes. Yeah, well, you
may not know that means who that is. I work with Daisy. She was
an MTV VJ. Right and that she would marry Richard Marx.
Believe me if from people from my era is mind boggling. Okay,
it's mind boggling.
Well, I found that the guy just one expert comes out and says
hey, yeah, it's too nice space are too close together.
Definitely good. That's it. Okay.
Yeah. All right. Are you cranky? Yeah, I'm
cranky. Why? I have a schedule. I'm supposed to be I'm hired to
be cranky. Went to your door doesn't make anybody cranky. So
in Oakland, this will be
my last clip. Oh, okay. Hold on a second. Yes. All right.
Okay, this clip is called Oakland Police Chief. Now I have
to say there's this woman. She is a gray haired old lady. She
has been hired as Oakland. They can't get anyone to be the
Oakland Police Chief because it's impossible city. It's just
a mess that town. And so they hired some old lady who really
has never been a police chief except in Spokane, Washington,
where they ran her out of town. And so she's really annoyed.
This is going to be one of the funniest things you've ever
seen. But she sounds kinda like an old lady. As she tells you.
She's got no real big town experience whatsoever. And she's
an old woman. She's like this old woman. I haven't one not
disparaging all the elderly that listen to the show. I'm an old
man. Okay. She's an old woman. And so let's play this case
Oakland's new police chief says she's ready to hit the ground
running veteran law enforcement leader and Kirkpatrick says she
has the courage to transform the beleaguered Oakland Police
Department.
So we're moving forward. We'll learn from the mistakes of our
past but the past is behind us now. We learn from that and
we're moving forward.
Kirkpatrick is 34 years in law enforcement includes serving as
chief in several cities in Washington, and most recently
heading up police reforms in Chicago. The Tennessee native
says she's not afraid to hold officers accountable, but
promises to also be their biggest champion for the men and
women of Oakland Police Department. I
also want you to know that in this chief, I have the courage
to stand by you. And I will
I'm glad and I think all the officers that are glad that the
uncertainty of not having a chief has now ended and we
actually have a chief of police moving into the new year.
Kirkpatrick will be Oakland's first female police chief at a
time the mayor says the department needs a change in
culture. But Kirkpatrick says it's all about leadership, not
gender.
I am a leader who is cloaked as a woman. And I'm grateful for
being a woman. But I will be your leader.
I be your Fuhrer.
This is Libby. She'll do this woman this woman may or hired
her. Yeah. And this is going to end this is not going to end up
well. I can assure you think
this was was actually a gender hire. Is that your feeling? Yes
I think is told The agenda higher.
Yeah, well, you better get some guns up there.
Well, I don't live in Oakland. Thank God. Yeah, but it spills
over man. Well, it's got his fill over 1234 towns too many
towns before
you know what they're when they're walking across the mud
flats
so they could separate today it's been raining so much rent.
actually funny thing is as much as it's rain and mudslides are
still there. I think yeah, we need a high tide.
Alright, we'll be watching for any Illuminati. devil worship on
the Golden Globes Of course. So my beat
Golden Gloves doesn't have so much of that will say and well
of
course we'll see the big controversy. I'm sure they leave
someone out of the dead segment and everyone gets all pissed off
about it that always happen. Oh, yeah. And of course we will
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To accept science of climate change, and 98% of the world's
scientists believe is true.
How do you know that 90% of the world's scientists believe what
you believe? The answer of course is you have no idea. Or
even 90% of the science. People know. The answer of course is
you have no idea. You don't want
your giant research team you could send people out and find
out about merely ask
them to explain something you just said live on our show. And
then 98% of worldwide scientists believe that how do you know
that? Are you are you a scientist? Or have you been
pulled other scientists or where do you get that figure? You're
practicing a religion where anybody doesn't really think you
believe is inherently true. Of The World scientists believe you
believe the answer of course you have no idea of 98% of science.
I mean, I don't hear people say that. The answer was you have no
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