What we're doing it for you, Obama, Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak.
It's Thursday, April 7 2016. The time once again for your good no
nation media assassination. This is episode 814. This is no
agenda, deconstructing propaganda. He already had to
Panama and broadcasting live from the Capitol the drone Star
state here in FEMA Region six Austin Tejas in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley, where I've returned from
a trip where it was 26 degrees, hitting California when it was
86 degrees. I'm John C. Dvorak. Raglan buzzkill, the mom,
thank you for the AccuWeather report. Jet as fast as 26 Yes.
20. Cold.
And did you have that? 86
Did you have that wind? That cold biting wind flowing through
one day?
Yes. That is not good. Oh, no. Were you approached GISTIC 2016
There's not a lot of wind. It's fine. You can wander around. But
when they get that biting when
was the sun out though? Was it 26 When sun?
It was 26 with the with the mixed sun? No, that's no good.
Hey, welcome back. And but there was such a walk on the sunny
side of the street and you could pretend you
know better. Welcome back. Happy birthday.
Happy birthday to you. Yes. Birthday all ships and sea
boots. Oh, I'm sorry.
I sent you a text. Did you get it once and you happy birthday?
Did you say happy birthday.
I said Happy Birthday you man of advanced ages. Because what I
said something like this. So how did the meetup go? I saw
pictures.
I mean, we can discuss the meetup now or we can discuss it
after the first donation segment because there's donations
involved in there not in the segment to talk about and the
way you did. That's the way to do that. Very separate a
separate segment about meetup and how it went. All right.
Anything else you'd like to say about New York and before we get
into some other things cold.
It was grungy as usual. I bought a brand new windbreaker blazer
kinda not a blazer, but a windbreaker thing that I
obviously needed. And I noticed that when I got back, it's it
was just we had to wear it all the time. Yeah.
You just did it. You didn't have a warm winter coat and gloves.
You just had a windbreak I
had no I had gloves. I had quiet everything. I'm worried about
you there seven layers, but I still need a windbreaker
me me taking care of you, man. No,
windbreakers. So here's the point I'm trying to make your
You're distracting me is that as I got when I got it home to stay
it well, you could see that it was in a grimy city. It started
to pick up the patina of city grime. Thank you to the
dry cloth. Oh, that's this guy. Yeah, I know. Everything gets on
you in New York. Nasty. I still have shitting my lungs from
living in New York. patina. I think patina is. Yeah. Did you
receive a gift from one of our producers? I don't know who sent
it. But did we mentioned CEU credits on the show at some
point.
I never saw I got no CEU credits.
I got 35 tins of success.
17 of those are mine.
And then the old fashioned ones the 10 Don't just boxes, heavy
ones in here and 35 tins of CEU credits. I don't know. I don't
Yeah, it's not something you just like
and it's just ended. No note. No, no, no,
nothing. No card. I don't understand. Unless I was high
and I ordered them myself. That's possible. But
oh man. Did I go for another man? Cigarettes?
Well, I stayed off for a Socrative
I could go for some credit right now.
It's a crisis. Right? I can't remember
it's a lozenge for your throat but if you have a cough, cough
or throat ache,
or they predate Mentos,
that's not Mentos. Well, I stayed up pretty late last night
to wait for the final tally. We were hoping would come in at 33.
If you don't I'm talking about here's a quick background over
what happened yesterday in Gitmo nation, lowlands Dutch
government may have to reconsider ratifying a treaty or
close to European Union ties with Ukraine after voters
rejected a partnership deal in a non binding referendum on
official results indicates 64% voted no, the turnout appears to
have only just passed the required 30% to validate the
result of ratification
cannot proceed as was expected before. So we have to take a
step by step approach. We have now to talk within the cabinet
with the parliament, with our European partners, also with the
Ukraine to see what the consequences of this decision
might be.
I'll just stop it right here. The Netherlands had a
referendum. Yes about the Ukraine Association Agreement
with the European Union.
I think before you continue, you should play my Deutsche availa
version of the same wrap up because of course Dortch
Deutsche Bank is German. Yeah. And they came to kind of have a
different attitude about
this. Can I kind of give you the background or first or was this
in your opinion?
I always I'm satisfied. I think the backgrounds in here. Okay.
Have you Were those the European Union facing a somewhat
unexpected test tonight, votes are being counted in the
Netherlands after a referendum on a deal that deepens ties
between the EU and Ukraine. Euroskeptic groups forced the
vote after the agreement was approved by the Dutch
parliament. Now it's already been ratified by all other EU
states, though no vote would not be binding, it would be an
embarrassment for the Netherlands and it would
underscore growing EU scepticism. Right now, exit
polls say 64% of voters have rejected the deal. But there
needs to have been a 30% turnout for the referendum to be valid.
As it stands. It's on a knife edge as they say whether that
figure has been reached, let's go down to our correspondent,
Barbara Veysel. She is in Brussels. She's monitoring
everything that's going on next door in the Netherlands. Good
evening to you, Barbara. So do we know any more? First of all
about whether or not this referendum is going to be valid?
Now we don't know yet. And I need a crystal ball here to
figure that out. Because the pulses have just sort of inched
up a bit. And I've gone beyond the 30% special but there still
is a rather large margin of error so wide inexplicable.
Of course, it turned out to be 32 point something percent
should have
been 33. Well, it's
the kind of I don't know if it's official official yet. But if it
were
the reason I wanted to play this clip, because I'm gonna ask you
a question, okay.
Let's play the rest, let's play the rest
by the Dutch are not able to count their voters more quickly.
But that's just the way it is. And so we don't know whether
it's valid. But the message behind it is quite clear, as you
already pointed out in majority of people, those who went to
vote who those who did go to the poll stations is say no to the
Ukraine agreement. And that is rather a clear message for the
government for Brussels and also the organisers of this
referendum, I've already started to open the champagne bottles,
they say this is good enough for us. We've reached the goal that
we wanted to reach, you can show the EU that they are not wanted
by many Dutch voters
now writing your question.
Let me throw an additional comment in for you to comment on
all right. During that report, they said this will be an
embarrassment. Yes. For the for the Dutch. Why? A
number of reasons. One, they're the last man out 28 countries
have already ratified this agreement, all 28 states of the
European Union have to ratify it. Moreover, we are right in
the middle of the six month Presidency of the Council or the
prisons the the council EU Council. By the Netherlands all
the meetings are there. I mean, they're running the show, they
get their six month window. So this is rather embarrassing.
Hey, can't you keep your slaves under control?
Okay, that would explain it. Yeah, that was kind of baffled
by that.
And but of course the Netherlands is unique. The whole
point of this referendum. It really Putin was kind of the the
hockey puck in the middle because oh, we can't let we
can't leave Ukraine go because then they'll lean towards Putin
and then you know, Russia will be on our doorstep. It'd be a
big problem. Yeah. Basic, all of the propaganda that we discussed
in the, in the, the memoranda that we had uncovered, or that
we'd received that were hacked from Ukraine. All of that came
true. They had the kids singing in Dutch, the virtuoso violinist
playing all the while they did all of that, and it just didn't
work. So it was about 61 or 62%. Against the Association
Agreement. But the they did have enough people show up for the
vote. And here's the background. This is not binding it is just
an advice from the people. So the cabinet or the parliament
does not have to adhere to it. They can just go ahead as
planned, which I'm pretty sure they will. Hello, we saw this
last time with the with the Lisbon Treaty in 2007 2008. And
the Netherlands and France voted no and then we you know we did
we did a do over thank you guys didn't understand the question.
Let's vote again.
What's funny To another chance.
What's interesting about this is this really irks. The
Netherlands has a law and a referendum law, and you can call
a referendum. But you have to have a certain amount of
signatures in order to call the referendum. I think it's
400,000, they had more than the required amount in that lies
this 30% thing, which of course, no one ever expected that to
work, which is why you put it in just to placate people that if
you get enough signatures, you can have a referendum. But this
was unexpected that the that enough citizens would say, hey,
we don't like this. Now. This is a referenda are not super common
in the Netherlands, but they're going to be they're already
talking about a referendum about T tip. So all of these all of
these deals.
Well, here's here's the mechanism that you once this
once it's established. And here's when you developed one of
these systems, the referendum system being a great example,
you tried to set up a huge barrier to entry, which is
400,000 signatures. Hell yeah. Especially in a small country,
especially for guys who started as bloggers. But once it you
established the mechanism to get the 400,000. Now, it's like a
printing press. Yeah, now you can keep it going. You can get
400,000 at the drop of a hat because it's the same 400,000
back to him, you can go back to him, that's
gonna hit you Well, again, and again and again and again. And
all of a sudden, now that thing is clicking like crazy. So the
Dutch
politicians, most of the parties were for the Association
Agreement, except for the socialists and the fame, the
fame bail on whoever the guys were who got this referendum
together. What was it gonna say?
Your will? Sorry? Yeah.
You weren't listening. I wasn't listening to myself, either. As
the words were coming up, oh, you're really talking
about politicians. I got it. I got I got went to the gym.
I got it. The politicians who were for the association
agreement are now out on trail today, saying, you know,
referendum is really bad for democracy. This is not how our
democracy should work.
Shouldn't be listening to the people. So ever.
No, that's why they were chosen representatives. And that's why
they're all They're allowed. What is this? I'm supposed to be
in charge of this. What are you doing you sue? Now, the crazy
thing. I read the agreement. I know, I'm like I'm nuts. This
thing is not easy to find in its totality. There's pieces missing
from publications, you have to really hunt around this. That's
a bad sign. It's a very bad sign, because the main piece
that was missing is the trade part. Now I've gotten older
versions, and I have the protocols. But really, this is
about two things. And the interesting part about this is
that personally, I believe there's no vote, although it is
showing the European Union that the citizens of the Netherlands
are unhappy, and I'm sure they're unhappy by a number of
things, including migration. And the banks are now completely
under control of the financial union. There's people are mad
about that. I need B 12. is what I need today.
That really need v 12. How the hell
was I going usual? My
fuzzy Well, I was up late last night watching this watching
this stuff. Okay, so I read the agreement. And the sad part is
this agreement actually was it's pretty good for Europe, of this,
aside from a number of glaring fun
that even makes it funnier. It does. I
mean, it's you know, Ukraine and World War Two was the
breadbasket. You know, this is they have unbelievable produce,
they really have two things
produce, they still can be a breadbasket along with Georgia
produce, and pipelines. That's the two things that are the
main, the two Ps, the main factors of this agreement. And
of course, it's a trade agreement, when you look at just
look at it, which means there will be no duties placed on
energy imports, as a lot about energy and pipelines, it's all
over the place. And so it's kind of sad, that, you know, there's
pretty much a great deal for Europe on the table. And I'm
pretty sure Germany is not friendly in this either. They
probably don't want to, you know, they don't want too much
of
a ship. Because if you listen to what you guys want a second to
part two of this clip, because these are the Dorji well, and
people seem to be kind of pro for this agreement.
Yeah. I mean, they may be saying that, but no, that's why I'm
saying they're the Germans are for the agreement. That's
exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, they are for the agreement.
Because yeah, they want they want to they want cheap access
to the to the gas. Yeah,
I mean, they may be saying that, but can they really say that
Barbara? I mean, we still can't even say whether or not enough
people voted. To make the referendum valid, that certainly
can't be a success for any calls, right?
In a way, yes, it of course, legally and politically in one
sense that you're completely right. Of course, if it's if it
falls below the threshold, it's not valid. And everybody can
say, Oh, this attempt to fell flat on its face. On the other
hand, we have to recognise and many Dutch politicians already
pointed that out in their first reactions, we have to recognise
that a rather large margin of Dutch voters actually do want to
show their discontent to the European Union, be it to
particularly to the Ukraine agreement, or more general to
the functioning of Europe, in a general sense. So that message
seems to be quite clear. And it is very unwelcome in Brussels,
I'll say. So if you really look at the at the protocols of the
agreement, again, it's produce and pipelines is really my
takeaway from it. You see very clearly why it was so important
that we that we control Ukraine, and when I say we, I mean the
United States. I mean, we have the finance minister in there
who became Ukrainian overnight, just to be the finance minister.
She's American. The the amount of money and investment that
went into Ukraine from mainly Chevron, through Victoria
Nuland, you'll recall, she had that that little meeting, oh, if
would tell 10 billion and they got shale oil contracts. This is
it really has a lot of resources that we have already. We've
staked our claim to. And now we just want to have it free
flowing into Europe. So Chevron, I'll just say that's us, in this
case, United States and Gitmo nation so we can have the free
flow of our oil now that we have the rights to which we captured
in through whatever backroom deals in Ukraine to pass that
on. Here's the here's the gist of some of the anomalies that I
found. Ukraine apparently it has a pretty big market of fake
products. And when I say fake products, I really mean produce
in this case, two glaring examples which they will by this
agreement be able to continue one is shipping champagne from
Ukraine into the EU, which of course is a protected name.
Is it champagne Is it is it will say in or Eastern European
sparkling wine named champagne? Yes, sir. Or is it grey market?
Champagne fade?
No, it is sparkling wine from Ukraine with the word champagne
on it, and they will be allowed to use this.
No. Yeah, that's in there. They didn't know but the French don't
want they don't know. Well, actually,
I'll make a crazier for you. Oh, okay. There's
there's more complex to use it.
Okay, I'll give you another example. Feta cheese. You may
not fit it. Fetta is protected in the EU, for the Greek, but
not even all the Greek. Dairy Farmers only certain dairy
farmers are allowed to say make
any sense feta cheese. If it's not feta cheese? Well, let me
say a couple things about feta cheese.
Yes, please. You know, I came to work this morning thinking I
need to know more about feta.
Feta cheese is made by a number of countries. It's a certain
kind of sour sheep's milk cheese. And sometimes it's
blended with goat and sometimes it's goat and depends. They and
I've seen it used I don't I don't know what this is about
because feta cheese has been used by the French it's called
French feta cheese for a long time. And everybody in the world
who's a connoisseur of or anyone who really likes feta cheese
knows. And everybody knows Yes, cheapest feta cheese. The
cheapest feta cheese comes from Bulgaria. The best betta cheese
comes from Bulgaria. fine if you want good feta cheese, you get a
full Garyun feta cheese right. But and that's always been
called fettuccine. That's not
No no no, it's nothing the Greeks Oh no, no. In the
European Union. The name feta cheese is a protected name may
only be used just like champagne may only be used by the approved
dairy farmers and marketers. In Greece No. in the European
Union, it is a protected name. Oh, okay. Oh,
okay. So that's a French fed in the Bulgarian fed ice by the
Bulgarian mostly is protected. Yes,
they're paying a lot if they say feta cheese, then they have a
licence and some money to use. Correct and it may be Greek feta
cheese, for all I know. No.
But Greek feta cheese is good, but it doesn't compare to the
Bulgarian
right? But I'm just saying this is what's in the agreement and
they'll be able to keep selling their Ukrainian feta cheese for
10 years.
And by the way, I'll be getting notes. I can see it already.
tonnes and you have no idea.
I'm just reading the doc chemists, I enjoy the cheese
break. So yeah, so these are little things so you can really
see that it's a trade agreement, but the
champagne thing is not going to go over. This is just another
irritant to the French. Did you hear this story over the I guess
it was just a couple of days ago yesterday. The French are now
stopping these tankers. 70,000 gallon tankers coming into
France from Spain. I know I loaded cheap wine. And the
French wine grocery was it goes through Ryan Grainger that gets
sorted. They surrounded tanker, they pull out the truck driver
and drain the 70,000 gallons into the sewer.
I did see a picture of that. Yes. That was fantastic. That
was fantastic. Yeah. Can't wait. We're going there in a couple of
weeks. Can't wait, can't wait. But it was interesting that the
grease gets so screwed in the deal. You know? Like what else
can we do to what do you guys want? And we want to screw
Greece somewhere off fine. They're like ugly pimple on
their ass anyway, who cares? Who cares? So yeah, so just in my
evaluation of the deal here will be great for Europe. This is
fantastic. Why would they not do it? And the reason is because
like a good deal no one read the
agreement, grainy and Fetta and Ukrainian champagne and yeah,
cheap fruits and vegetable oil and
gas and gas that doesn't come from Russia. Yes, gas that
doesn't come from Russia. Come on, how gonna
get Chevron doing a deal. Chevron's making some money for
us American shareholders. Yeah, that's a win win win win.
But of course what this really is about even Nigel Farage came
to the Netherlands and spoke about himself. He didn't really
talk. He said, This is just the appetiser, the Brexit will be
the main core. So it's kind of I think it kind of made the Dutch
people go what what this is important to us. What are you
doing? This but I was listening to Dutch radio, and they had
these they were doing so they were doing five second spots.
Before and after each at the top and at the bottom of each
commercial block. Vote yes. For the for the Ukraine ascension
association agreement to live to tomb then commercials
commercials commercials vote yes. I mean, it was like that
vote yes. For the European for the Ukrainian association
agreement. Really? Unbelievable. Huh. And along with that, as far
as I'm concerned, perfect timing. Perfect timing. I gotta
tell you, when my sister who lives in Amstel Fane, she works
retail and give a shit. When she says, Hey, how about those
Panama Papers? Then? You know, some propaganda is working?
Well, I'll say this much for the proper for the Panama Papers,
which I should have teased in the newsletter. This is a very,
I think this is going to be the most interesting one topic that
we'll have on our show. If it develops, I agree, probably for
the next six months, because there's a million documents as
to what to buy, how many terabytes of data, all this
stuff. And we have all sorts of questions that need to be
answered before,
before we trust before we transition in just the timing of
it. And we'll believe this topic, the timing of it was very
interesting in the three days ramping up to this referendum.
The newspapers in the Netherlands and anything that
around it, certainly like the guardian. We're all focused on
one thing, Panama Papers, Putin evil Panama Papers, Putin evil
and the timing of that. Maybe I'm giving the Netherlands too
much credit. But the timing of it seemed a little obvious from
from a Dutch perspective that this came out all look how
horrible rushes you better sign that agreement. That's no good.
And then along with that comes unrefuted proof of how
incredibly powerful These papers are. Because Oh, we had an
Iceland guy resign over it. Oh, now everyone's on notice. And
when I went to these Panama Papers, that I was like, you
open up the web page, and immediately it's like, oh, well,
this is this is a complete propaganda scam piece. Who, who
who goes about analysing data leaks with infographics saying
we're just like WikiLeaks only 10 times bigger look at the big
red blocks.
Yeah, there's a bunch of weirdness about these papers.
Definitely.
I have a I have a backgrounder from BBC panorama, which I like
because it's BBC. They're clearly all on board. They the
whole piece is dramatise with me as their as they they say
they've accessed the actual Dock. Kimmins themselves, which
of course we haven't seen, and we'll get into that they
haven't, by the way, they say they have, they say they have
and they're showing pictures on monitors
what they made, you know, it's like, you know, an IU because
you actually the access to that, that referendum as like
everybody else. Having like, at your note, if you you can say,
Hey, Adam, I access the 11 million documents. Yes, good
word, because so I saw a document. Yeah, that's it.
That's what it means. 11 million documents I'm, there's a bunch
of stuff that's going to happen out of these things. Let's,
let's listen to him. And it's been, by the
way kept for a year already in the BBC. All these guys are kept
for over a year for a year. Well, it's to 2014. But what I'm
saying is that it wasn't it. They weren't like the the
gatekeepers, like with the Snowden stuff with a guard, you
know, you're not there to get stuff cleared with the CIA, make
sure they weren't printing anything that wasn't going to be
there wasn't going to work. Yeah. And White House and White
House and a White House. And so that worked out so poorly that
these guys circumvented the whole system. And now of course,
we don't really know where they are.
Well, so this this shows you the takeaway from BBC, which, of
course, is propaganda. You see monitors everywhere, with
Putin's picture on it, Assad's picture on it, neither of them
are our, as far as we know, mentioned these documents at
all, but that's what they're focusing on a very, very
overdramatized explanation of the Panama Papers.
Panama's carnival attracts visitors from around the world.
But away from the lights this place is a thriving tax haven.
Investors come to Panama for secrecy.
You can go to Panama and you can get a foundation or a trust or a
company and you can use those complicated slightly strange
structures to hide
to hide Listen John, to hide to hide
ated slightly strange structures to hide and disguise your to
hide in the sky ownership and control of assets. And now we
can see how an enormously can files from this company most SEC
Fonseka shows the reality of offshore from outside low sec
funds sacre looks like a perfectly respectable company.
But this is a business that's helped people from around the
world. break the law break the law documents were leaked to the
German newspapers, Deutsche Zeitung and shared with the
International Consortium of Investigative Journalists
Panorama has been analysing the documents, we found links to 72
currents or four miles of state,
they say they have access to documents I guess,
like the Icelandic Prime Minister.
If you can't read that dirt 30,000 page bill within a few
months, are you going to go through the 11 million
documents? Well, my
heads of state like the Icelandic Prime Minister
Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, who had a secret stake in an offshore
company, the company held his wife's interests in Iceland's
banks worth millions of dollars. Nobody knew that when her
husband was dealing with the Icelandic banks after their
collapse, including the British demands for compensation, which
he turned down.
Now that was really important. Also for the Netherlands,
because it was if you'll recall, it was the Dutch and the British
who would use the Icelandic Savings Bank for these huge
interest payments, which are you know, two did double digits, and
then they went bust. And then we if you recall, John, we talked
about a lot on the show. We had years years of both the UK and
the Netherlands saying pay us back our money, pay us back our
money. You're crooks. And so then as the number one example,
comes the guy who actually possibly stole some money or
whatever he did, his wife had some like, it doesn't matter.
The implication is the guy who fucked the UK in the
Netherlands. He resigned over these Panama Papers. This is
good stuff
collapse, including the British demands for compensation, which
he turned down because of the leak. We do now. He walked out
when questioned by an Icelandic reporter, Mr. Gunnlaugsson is
today facing calls for his resignation. He says he has not
broken any rules and his wife didn't benefit financially from
his decisions. Most act Fon sacre say the services they
provide are commonly used worldwide, and they are
responsible members of the global financial and business
community. But some of the deals in the files are extraordinary.
We believe we have found a billion dollar laundering
operation in Russia. cellist Sergey roll Dugan, a close
friend of President Putin was officially the owner of our
listen
to how they produce this piece. John, listen to this bit of the
weather. It's gonna wind it up here. Listen to the music Music
Yeah, because it's the composer who's part of the money
laundering scheme here the music
laundering operation in Russia. This man cellist Sergei Raul
Dugan, a close friend of President Putin was officially
the owner of two secretive companies which benefited from
suspicious deals. For example, an offshore company borrows $6
million million three months later, the loan is written off
for just $1. Why would anyone want to give all this cash to
cellist
there's nothing that I would wait for anything other than say
stop. We need to investigate very closely what's going on
here to you. Does it look like money laundering?
Yes, it does look like money laundering to me for sure.
Mr. Raul Dugan hasn't answered our questions. Most fun seekers
say they have a strong compliance record through the
leak the world can now see more clearly how the wealthy can hide
their secrets
and our track which had built the edifice beautiful production
play a couple of other takes on this or actually lets you want
to take a quick get get our producers out of the way there
we go into these things a little more in a little more depth
wow this early but
I know I'm I'm saying that because it's gonna dry.
I'm always in the mood to say in the morning to you John C when
the C stands for cash to vorak be 12
Yeah, no kidding. In the morning to you Mr. Adam curry also in
the morning shifts as he boots on the ground feet in the air
subs in the water and all the names and nights out there. Oh,
in
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both of you dig deeper and find sources for news that no lazy as
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refreshing and inspiring your recent coverage of the
campaign's is excellent and we're always share the same
views as you but and you don't always share the same views as
each other and I think that's a good thing. I'd recent
conversation with family members and friends. I've had to excuse
myself because I got too fired up. Yes, it seems to me most
people on boats are right and after no longer interested in
conversation and productive dialogue. Most people just want
to be around people that agree with them, so they can shut
their ears and justify their own unjustifiable positions and
shake their head at the rest of the world. You're either money
grubbing homophobic, or racist or condescending PC douchebag
it's not that simple. He's not for me.
That's our two party system everybody.
And while they are distracting, distracted arguing over the
imaginary divided our corporate one party system, nothing really
changes Bernie supporters kind of get it here. Hillary retards
definitely do not horrible thing. I tried to explain this
to my Bernie loving cousin who was the most receptive of the
family I tried to punch her in the mouth and she was interested
but she responded by saying she was worried I was getting too
much in my media from and these are her words. I shock jock
atmosphere shocked shocked shocked just shocked Jack
I'm so Shocking. Shocking, shocked Jack Yeah, take a look
at my shock Jack
shut it then send me a bunch of links to Democracy Now.
Wow talking about that's it. Now that's a shock jock show right
there.
I tried to explain that they were complicit media. You must
have someone deconstructing the news does does not take advert
tightening dollars and for the shock, Jock atmosphere, it's not
worth trying to explain irony to someone who just can't feel it.
Anyway, keep up the great work a little calmer for the second
human resource on the way. Yes, of course. Thank
you so much, Jake, you appreciate it. You've
got
karma. Nice, good notes. Yeah, it was good. And you're right.
You know, when you feel the rage, you gotta back off his
back off. They, your friends and family don't want
to argue with people that are so uninformed. Now, it's a really,
it's very easy to do ego, you just kind of like listen, and
then you can use and use it later with people who are
informed that you hear what she said. And get your kicks.
It's really best to just realise they really believe what they're
seeing. It's their reality. It's the programming that has been
put into their
processor. So we had an Uber driver in Manhattan. How was
that? I don't know if he's Middle Eastern or what but he
was so in on Hillary Oh, and he's his logic was that
now which DeVore x were in the car because this whoa, this poor
guy?
No, no, we were like this guy was so off the deep end. No one
wanted to Sandy. Not even as he's driving us, you know? Yeah,
you're right. Good point. Good guy. But it was just outrageous.
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We do have a few more dimension where you get into the bonus
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let's get
Robin before we move. Forward move on. The little PR mentioned
I received in the mail the other day, a brand new no agenda novel
by Sir Scott McKenzie. Good. Now you will recall sir Scott has
done see one day and get more nation give him a nation
Christmas Carol. Then he's written here the short stories
the foot on the shore, death by auto pan foot. The 90 year old
assassin perp walk conscience for sale. And he lives in
Cheshire, UK and he has a job and you know, and he likes doing
stuff other than writing. It's just a hobby for him. But he is
now published his new book, which I read in about an hour
and a half. I loved it so much. It's called the boy with
involuntary social network disorder.
Great title.
Well, it's our it's our Word. We came up with the involuntary
social network disorder. Yeah. And no agenda. No, by Scott
McKenzie, I'll read the blurb on the back. Pad. He's just a
regular guy, he drinks beer, watches football chases girls
and post everything about himself online. Then he meets
Laura. But she's shocked. But he's shocked to discover that
she lives her life almost entirely offline. She doesn't
use social networks and doesn't even have a mobile phone. But
despite Laura's differences from every other girl, he's known
patty is drawn to her. And she opens his eyes to the world
around him. He discovers how social networks can be used to
manipulate the public and he finds himself faced with
decisions that could lead him to abandon everyone and everything
he knows for the chance of love and the real purpose in his
life.
Great blurb it's
it's a page turner. It's really good. It's a love story. isn't
any of this, this it's a it's, it's great. I have to say I'm so
proud that this has come out of our show. You know, like we have
our artwork and our jingles and our songs and the books is
beautiful. That will be around for a long time. It's peaceful,
it's physical. Right there. So you can find that@amazon.com
Also available Kindle, the boy with involuntary social network
disorder. I recommend getting the printed book though I think
that's much more fun to have. Yeah, much more fun. So we
congratulate sir Scott and I
was back in met when I was meeting with one of my pals in
the publishing business also an agent. Yeah. Kindles everyone
knows New York they're kind of relieved and they want to talk
about too much but but hardcover and softcover, the books, the
printed books are now taking hold back with the public and
they're picking up Oh, really? Yeah. Is that is that is that
just looks flat?
Yeah, that sounds a bit like what the music business is
saying. Hey, vinyls coming back, man. It's gonna be great.
Yeah, I'm not buying.
He does say that they're living in something of a dream. I'm not
buying.
Anyway, congratulations, sir. Scott. We're very, I'm very
proud. And John, you'll, you'll get a kick out of this. And you
know, there's all these little no agenda bits that are woven
throughout the whole, the whole novel, I'll give an example. She
looked up from her kale salad. Stuff like that. Yeah, it's
beautiful. There's some see something, say something's in
there. There's all kinds of great stuff, you will totally
enjoy that. So we're gonna give karma to Scott for that. And to
our Associate Executive. I'm sorry,
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this. We go out for hit people in the mouth shut up.
Question for you. Quick question. Indeed, if the Earth
is not flat, why do we still talk about the four corners of
the earth?
Well, that's all Bruce is in different continents. The
question I have for today that
we only question I have to worry about it.
Just got to throw that in once in a while man gotta get the
Kooks coming.
Yeah, the cuckoo cuckoo. Oh, all right. So let's go back to the
Okay, we're gonna talk about the Panama Papers for a little bit.
What part would you like me to take because you know that you
know, the stuff I've done. I've done the form 990s and all that.
So if you're interested in that, let me know.
Okay, here's a couple of that. Let's start with this. So we
have a little well, no, wait, let's start with the let's start
with the let's start
with the name. Panama Papers is a brilliant choice. Because it
is a callback. It's obviously
fabulous. It's a client. Let me say a couple of things. A dog
grabbed the top. This was as far as I'm concerned. You can tell
me what you think. If this was orchestrated by a major, major
intelligence agency,
yes, absolutely.
Absolutely all this nonsense about, oh, I'm gonna give you
the papers, but I'm afraid for my life. And all this bull crap.
We don't know who you know, there's like a big mystery who
came up with this? You know, this was an intelligence agency
Gan, but it's too big to
say. So we have boots on the ground in Panama as a
backgrounder, one of our producers is a lawyer, and has
residents in Panama. And he immediately said, Adam, I don't
know what's going on. But the last year, the Panamanian
government, and the financial sector has worked so hard to
satisfy all these levels of security and transparency for
the United States government. He said they had just done all
this. Okay, good. You guys are all transparent. And then boom,
this happens. That coincidence
is that's another one raises. This is all very well schemed.
Very well scheme. I'm not absolutely sure, though. Whether
it is CIA, NSA, or am I, six, more than Russia? Well, that
matter? Well, I'm FSB. So we,
if you just if we just follow the money for a moment, the we
have some, you know, the International, the ICI je is
just a it's just a brand, it's not an actual, you know, it's
not a company or anything. It really is the public, the Centre
for Public Integrity. Then if you go to the icj.org website,
and you want to donate your donation is going to the Centre
for Public Integrity, which does about $7 million a year, which
is not a lot if you claim to be funding 400 of the independent
journalists for over a year working on these papers. But
okay, the main funders, we can go through the whole list, but
you've probably already heard Open Society Foundation, which
is Soros. It's the Ford Foundation, Rothschild, Hume,
the Rothschild charity, the let's see, the one that I liked
the most, or the two that I liked the most is us AI D. So
I'm thinking that's where our spy group is coming from. And
keep your eye on don't RAF grand green route. Glenn Greenwald is
not saying much about this, even though Pierre Omidyar drive my
car, he is also financing this operation. So it's, it's all of
the typical elites. So how can you ever think this is something
that's real? Well, it's real. Oh, it's real. But it nothing is
the stuff that's being done here is not necessarily illegal. In
fact,
well, let's take a look at that. Now. I would,
before before taking a look at it. Let's listen to what the
president had to say about
it. I have that clip, too. But you can play your version.
In the news over the last couple of days, we've had another
reminder, in this big dump of data coming out of Panama, that
tax avoidance is a big global problem.
Uh huh. That would be the message and the the President's
clearly on board. It's not
unique to other countries, because frankly, there are folks
here in America who are taking advantage of the same stuff. A
lot of its legal. Uh huh. That's exactly the problem.
A lot of it's legal clip number two from the President, there is
no
doubt that the problem of global tax avoidance generally, is a
huge problem. It's been brought up in g7 meetings, it's been
brought up in G 20. Meetings, there has been some progress
made in coordinating between tax authorities of different
countries, so that we can make sure that we're catching some of
the most egregious examples. But as I said before, one of the big
problems that we have, Michael is that a lot of this stuff is
legal.
Yeah. But yeah, he keeps emphasising that it's leaves
makes me wonder, well, how deep he's in.
Well, that is a good point. So maybe he's not running the show.
So one of our producers on Twitter published this list of
how you why you use these systems. This is a Ancilla Oh,
and so I'm gonna tell you, and so I, this LIS was dynamite. And
so I decided to just read it off. This is a this is a Why use
a shell corporation infographic Oh, and it goes sublimated who
may do to illegal and I'm gonna read them in order of the legit
ones, the ones that are legal that Obama's talking about,
okay. And I can say by looking just at this list and the way
I've always seen it, you don't do this stuff because you want
to be legit and legal. You're not doing this just for tax
avoidance. Usually, a lot of the times you are that's not legal,
by the way. So he's not talking about that. What is he talking
about? That's illegal. Let's look at the legal ones and work
our way to the worst of the worst, starting with to destroy
at the top to protect trades. Secrets. Your high profile cyber
Corp wants to invest in a new tech competitors might beat you
to it unless a shell conceals your investment.
Wow. Okay, good point. Good point. Competitive Advantage.
Yeah, that would work.
And you could do that without having to go to a Panamanian
company.
You could do it anywhere except Panama might have Morrison
forest journals do that. But you might as well do it in Panama
because it's cheap. Well, one thing
that was brought out is that all these big banks, your buddies at
H S, HSBC, whatever
it HSBC see the money launderers?
The money launderers, USB, Credit Suisse all these guys are
involved with this company. So when you went to them saying
hey, you know, I gotta set up a shell to protect my investment
have been even noticing that I'm putting all my money over here.
They would send they would do the deal with Panama right? Oh,
anyway, right. Okay, that's number one. That's probably the
most legitimate reason. Then the next one is to keep your brands
strong as a toy company wants to buy a supplier that also makes
six A's buying through a shell keeps concern mom's in the dark
or they do the Chinese does like Foxconn to then make sex aids.
It might be kind of like everybody just does open
businessman Fox concert that doesn't count. Okay, now we're
getting now it's gonna get a little more interesting to
resist price gouging making a blockbuster movie sequel book
locations through a shell Yeah, so hotels don't charge you an
inflated Hollywood studio rate. Okay, seems like a long way to
go I'm gonna set up a go all of Joe's deputy shell just so I can
get a better hotel price. No, it's for it's for tax avoidance.
And now we're starting to get into grey areas to avoid
kidnapping. Yes. provides to the US government and foreign
hotspot a shell come to keep your officers identity secret
and off hidden lists. Via high assets from a future ex divorce
getting messy.
Sam, Where was his Panama advice before I got divorced them so
divorce getting messy can't sue for the island house if he
doesn't know you bought it? Okay, now here we go. go
bankrupt and stay rich bankruptcy courts are like ex
spouses. They can't take what they don't know exists, right?
That's cheating the system. You're cheating the courts?
That's actually illegal. That we're in now there's all illegal
so there's only maybe a couple of legitimate reasons Obama's
foolish shit is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Okay, number here
we go to evade taxes. It's cheaper to pay Bermuda fees for
an anonymous account and to declare your revenues and give
the IRS a big cut ask for a Fortune ask a fortune 500
company right to bribe officials and do business in Russia
without lining some pockets using an anonymous slush fund.
Just don't get caught like Hewlett Packard did. Okay. First
to manipulate markets. Now this one that's a that's a big one.
That's a big one. But a bunch of cheap stocks start a boiler room
scam to bid up the price uses shell to dump your shares at a
huge profit cycling buyer. You can this has been going on since
the stock markets existed. I'm sure there's a lot of companies
and I would name a couple there's I've watched him do it.
Although you can't prove anything, but I remember when
Jack Traumeel was running I forget which company of the one
of the many. The Commodore Commodore would bring out. They
do that which is great. Their stock was like three bucks.
Before the 64, the Commodore 64 This
is during the era after the 60s Okay, the 128 the 120 and some
of these other things they would now I remember watching this one
is great. I said Holy mackerel. Commodore came out and said
they're gonna bring out a PC kind of a clone and they showed
it PC and they showed pictures and images and all this stuff.
The stock skyrocketed to like nice. Well over 15
from three Let me guess big sell off. They went way up. Yeah, and
then people
sold off.
No, okay. No, it was going it was headed up okay. And then
Commodore GA you have to be if you're gonna manipulate the
market, you have to have control. You just don't you
know, it's pumping dumps are like risky. This way. It's like
you pump and you do as a pump and dump. But it goes like, but
it's legal. It's totally legal to do what they did is not legal
to trade on this information so that you can trade it through a
shell company if you had one. Gotcha. And so you announced the
new products of these fac and that's probably still a camp
that
begins to stop you there. Can we then also presume that members
of Congress who are completely immune from investing based on
insider information because they're making the insider
information? Can I presume that there may be some congressmen
and women and senators who would have this construction set up
for themselves?
They don't need to. They don't need to know because they're
immune from
right but they don't like prying eyes. Oh, okay.
I don't think so. That's why there's not that many Americans
involved. I don't think we're gonna see two, ma'am. Maybe
a few hours we're running the show. That's why there's no
Americans and that would who do we bring up? We brought up.
David.
Let me Yeah, that would be a possibility. Well, I'm gonna say
right now what I think you're gonna find in these papers,
you're gonna find the Bernie Madoff money. Oh, really? Yeah.
Ah, and I think Bernie Madoff, money's got something to do with
this. Hi, somebody in one of these agencies got burned by
Bernie. And this was a part of a scheme to find the money because
they know that Bernie was squirrelled of money away. They
can't find a nickel of it.
And then what are they gonna do? They're gonna go confiscate it?
Yeah. It's gotta be a lot of dough.
It's probably 20 30 million, no, billion, billion, billion
billion. Yeah. All right, let me get back to the scheme. So you
make this announcement. And then a stock goes from three to 12.
And then I say to two weeks, then you can take the only two
weeks later, you pull it said, we're not going to do that
product. stock falls back to three. Buying Opportunity. It's
like, well, to do it again, this just goes up. You say no, I'm
not gonna do it, it goes down. Now, I looked into this when it
happened. And I and I found out that you can do it's legal in
the United States to do what's called dry testing. And dry test
thing is to announce a product to see if there's any interest,
right. And if the interest isn't what you want it to be whatever
that is, you can just pull the product and it's not like it's
not like you've done anything you'll leave in politics. It's
called the trial balloon. This is a trial balloon. And so the
product is announced. Coincidentally, the stock goes
flying and then the product is unannounced and the stock goes
right back down. You could get be on the long side just before
the announcement to a shell company and then be on the short
side when you pull the product. And it's a very simple mechanism
and you can make so much money doing that and isn't one of
these illegal mechanisms which is not helping them stock market
anywhere in the world. Anyway, that's why you can do it. All
right, onward. to bribe officials to manipulate marks
then we get to cover fraud. You run an oil rich country and make
millions selling crude off the books by your bling through a
shell company. This means no one's gonna
he's right he's gonna show up on the list of course show up. Now
we're
getting even worse to deal drugs or arms. Also, these
paramilitary rebels supposed to pay you for the stolen RPGs and
the AK 40 sevens and then the last one to finance terror my
face so most of the things on this the reason you want these
shell companies is illegal. And then you know of course these 11
million documents not only talk about the shell company but it
apparently goes deeper and gives you some insight into the scams
going on and play this clip. This is Pfeiffer you say the
Iceland game this is the guys who got busted Yeah, this is an
independent meaning
papers you're so right when I think about it who gives a crap
about Iceland football. That's what we really care about.
Squirrel you have my attention but a
topic FIFA World Soccer official has resigned in the fallout from
the Panama Papers leaks. Juan Pedro Damiani was an ethics
committee member. He was named in the leaks and he is now under
investigation. And the man at the top of FIFA. Gianni
Infantino, this gentleman right here. He's also with the firing
line. Tonight Swiss police raided the headquarters of
European football's governing body UEFA on Wednesday, they
were looking for a document that infant Dino signed during his
time there. It was a TV rights deal with a company whose owners
have since been accused of fraud. Now he has raised of
course a lot of questions can soccer's governing bodies FIFA
UEFA really clean up their act?
Yeah, you're right. You're right. So it's just probably
everybody is in this database one way or the other.
Everybody who's trying to scam their way through this. This
wasn't like a tax thing. The FIFA YouWave or whatever it is.
Deal. It was a just, it was just embezzlement and for all
practical purposes, and there's gonna be a lot of that. That's
what these these shells are good for. They're good for all kinds
of fancy footwork if you're you're, and by the way, which
was kind of shocking to me. We have these people are supposed
to be our leaders. The guy who runs famous was we are he's a
leader. He's he's doing this service for the soccer loving
public. And these other people are supposed to be our leaders
and this bulk of Cameron's involved Yeah, these people
aren't our leader. The leadership of the world is
involved in this is all involved in this and they're all corrupt.
This is not really a pleasant thing to witness This is gonna
get worse as they go through these. I don't know how many
shell companies there were there was 1000s. And every one of them
was a scam of some sort. And the tax avoidance thing I think is
really got not much to do with it all the legal uses, I doubt
there's very many that, that were done for the purposes of
like avoiding, you know, a divorce settlement or something
along those simplistic lines, I'm sure there's a couple. But
for the most part, people whose names crop up are going to be
criminal, and the ones they've already brought up, are already
in jail for some other financial crime, right, which means that's
just the tip of the real iceberg, which is gotta be a
whopper now exactly where, you know, Soros in these guys and
this journalists operation, they may have been also kind of set
up by having their being associated with what's going to
happen, but unless
I'll have to say right off the bat, this came from Germany, B
and D. Are heralded in the intelligence community as top
notch. That's their intelligence. Agency B and D is
very, very, very good. So I gotta keep eyes on them.
Well, they may have been behind it, possibly. Because they mean
this stuff went to Germany it didn't go to any other outlet to
do them a favour of course it could be all misdirection this
has got so much intrigue
and how and how is this not theft of a commercial companies?
This property How is
this not have you seen the CEO of this? Yeah,
the guys Yeah, the guy is like shitting himself. We've been
robbed. Yeah, no one cares we
are owning crazy We've been robbed him or stuff that this is
a horrible hack. No one's talking about.
I know. It's insane. There's not a word about cyber anywhere in
real in relation to this to this story, that or not at all how it
was done just Oh, some deep source. The Germans got it. They
gave it to the German media, who are pretty darn good at
propaganda. Did you know that in German, did you know that in
Germany it is an offence a findable and jailable
imprisonable offence if you insult a world leader or a head
of state publicly. I didn't know this, but it is it is no this
Yes, the guy who insulted there's a comedian, and it's a
poem about Erawan. And he's being investigated to be thrown
in jail and they pulled the whole thing or money. Yes. And
dogs, dogs Ronja.
Because I thought it was a league. I know it's illegal in
Turkey even though it's yes,
yeah. No, it's it is.
Go ahead. So you remember those puppets they did in England with
a
spitting image. Exactly. beating me and that's coming back. By
the way. That's coming back. I predicted now spitting images
coming back. It's the cycle. It's time. It's time for that
television. So entertainment cycle,
you know that the images are great. And the puppets are
fantastic. I think the writing needs improvement. That's really
the weakest.
Possibly. I'm looking for the looking for the art. Oh, here I
have it. Yeah. It's your German television. Paul satire. See the
Wall Street Journal scandal? Yeah, well, it's German law. I
didn't realise this. But you're not allowed to publicly insult
another head of state. Wow. Yeah.
Well, Trump would be doomed over there.
Sure what you should? Yeah.
That's crazy. Yes.
Anyway, so let's let's look at the way our media looked at this
thing. Here's PBS on the Panama Papers. You think PBS newshour
would have probably in depth coverage with a lot of
explanation about what's going on.
They could have just purchased the BBC panorama package and
done a
panorama package and they could have put a whiteboard up and
maybe drew a few arrows but yeah,
or one of those sketches go. You know, let's fast the animated
sketches.
The ones that are on the test.
Yeah, yeah. Okay, here we go.
More world leaders found themselves on the defensive
today over offshore investments. They were detailed this week and
a massive leak of documents, the so called Panama Papers. British
Prime Minister David Cameron said today that his family will
not benefit from offshore funds or trust in the future. And in
Tokyo, Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko, so that his offshore
holdings were a blind trust that He created once he took office.
The purpose of that was a transparent separation business
of the Ukrainian president from any political influence. This is
absolutely normal procedure. And I think this is the main
difference from the blaming all the political figures in these
panellists.
Also, today, the documents leak led police in Switzerland to
raid the headquarters of European soccer's governing
body. They're focused on a TV contract that could be linked to
a bribery scandal.
Allow me to summarise up to this point because I like the
deconstruction to doing so we have to figure out which
intelligence agency or agencies or units about let me just
summarise our behind this. Because I agree with you, this
everyone is corrupt, they're all corrupt, the president included
and that's why he's Hey, you know, it's not illegal. It's not
illegal stuff I was maybe doing was not illegal. So someone is
using this as the ultimate blackmailing tool. The twist you
threw onto that, which I like a lot is the Bernie Madoff money.
Which I'm sure brings in a whole nother episode. It certainly
brings in celebrate ease, and other people that that are great
for media attention for any topic. But really, this is this
is foreign policy by blackmail. It doesn't even have to be then
they might not even have documents for all I know, we
don't know.
Anything, don't you back you could be right. But I think
there's something. Here's a couple of things about that,
that I was really disturbed by the PBS report. They use the
term offshore investment as though you're buying some stock
and in the Brazilian oil
company, I know you're investing in your own shell company.
This is not an offshore investment. Let's start with
that it's not an investment at all right. And then then she
says so called Panama Papers. And you use this this is a
propaganda
Ah, very good point. Google only used
the term so called to kind of marginalise what you're going to
say next. Oh, this call you have some Oh, I see. And what do you
drink it? Oh, you're drinking Some so called wise a
pre? It's a pre disparaging comment.
Yeah. Oh, you haven't Some so called Champagne. And that's
exactly what you say to me often. They do as well. That's
called Champagne you're drinking correct
so called so called caviar. It's not so called it is the Pat der
the Panama Papers. That's what they're called. They're not so
called where's my hearing? Words? Okay, there's no mention
again, your your, if anyone out there wants to listen to any of
these reports, you're going to still hear nothing about the
potential called podcaster who called podcasters for any made
off not mentioned of course and, and she said that that piece was
so soft pedal.
I want to listen to it again. Now that you've done that for
us. Okay, let's
listen to how soft peddled it is and it's just like, wow, this is
happening but who gives a shit.
More world leaders found themselves on the defensive
today over offshore investments. They were detailed this week and
a massive leak of documents, the so called Panama Papers. British
Prime Minister David Cameron said today that his family will
not benefit from offshore funds or trust in the future. So
he's all over it. This is problematic in the
future. I'm gonna benefit from it. It's no big deal. Not
in the future. We won't do that.
And in Tokyo, Ukraine, the President Petro Poroshenko said
that his offshore holdings were a blind trust that He created
once he took off
holding. Yeah, that's probably also a heads up because every
single politician who has an elected seat, you know, they go
through this Oh, put it in a blind trust. We may see
trust is not one of these days, you know, exactly exactly
blind trust that Goldman Sachs does it for you or the Vantage
fund or whatever it's called.
The only purpose of that was a transparent separation business
of the Ukrainian president from any political influence. Yes.
This is absolutely normal procedure. And I think this is
the main difference. Nothing to see here procedure, nothing to
see here we go over here. Nothing to see. Look at that
thing. This is the main difference from the blaming all
the political figures in this panorama lesson.
Also today the documents leaked led police in Switzerland to
raid the headquarters of European soccer's governing
body. They're focused on a TV contract that could be linked to
a bribery scandal it could be could be
Yeah, so now I'm very sorry this what triggered me I think this
some this is bigger than
this was this. This was just the kickoff. This was the kickoff
media blitz. Then
we it was soft pedal. There's nothing going on. Don't worry
about this the American public's getting, by the way from all to
me from all media, as if if you know what's really, you know,
you have some sense of this, you immediately have to say to
yourself, whoa, but the US is not the way to report. But
what's
but what's interesting, is because because I was so focused
on European press for the Dutch referendum, they're all in Oh,
totally. They're all a holes, everybody. No one noticed that
neither American, prominent politicians or celebrities were
mentioned, nor were there any Dutch mentioned that. Yeah,
they're forthcoming. Yeah, be forthcoming. They have like, oh,
there's 24 People in the database is all forthcoming. So
the data but they're all They're all in there all. Oh, we believe
that anything that comes out of that database in Europe, I'm
just going to assert will be believed
100% I don't know how much is actually going to come out. But
let's go on to Democracy Now. Which takes this a little
differently. They kind of on it and but they're not. They're not
they don't they're still more concerned about gay rights.
Yeah, I got some stuff on that first to Democracy Now. The
Panama Papers and Obama data. There's also the Obama quotes in
here too, but you had a better version with the longer Obama
hemming and hawing about how it's actually legal, it's
legalised in a country which is this is all legal what's going
on and and we just need to fix the loopholes.
You can take that to the bank.
His sound bites are gonna be pretty ugly man. When when
someone his blind trust comes to floats to the top I'm gonna
study I'm most disposed to
Iceland's Prime Minister has resigned becoming the first
major casualty of the Panama Papers revelations.
I love the word casualty. It's a good one. The I'm sayin? Yeah,
I totally agree with leaked documents from the Panama based
law
fire truck was hit by a truck
guilty of the Panama Papers revelations. leaked documents
from the Panama based law firm Mossack Fonseca revealed that
the Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson, owned an
offshore company with his wife, which he failed to declare when
he entered parliament. He's accused of concealing millions
of dollars worth of family assets. But Luxans resignation
follow the largest public demonstrations in Iceland's
history. We'll go to Reykjavik for more on Iceland later in the
broadcast. Meanwhile, President Obama spoken out about the
Panama Papers while urging Congress to close tax loopholes
known as inversions, in which US corporations agreed to be bought
by foreign companies simply to avoid paying US taxes. The
Treasury Department has unveiled new regulations to try to limit
this process. On Tuesday, Obama said that many in the United
States were taking advantage of legal loopholes to avoid US
taxes.
We've had another reminder, in this big dump of data coming out
of Panama, that tax avoidance is a big global problem. It's not
unique to other countries, because frankly, there are folks
here in America who are taking advantage of the same stuff. A
lot of it's legal. But that's exactly the problem. It's not
that they're breaking the laws is that the laws are so poorly
designed that they allow people if they've got enough lawyers
and enough accountants to wiggle out of responsibilities that
ordinary citizens are having to abide by.
It's thin, but it sounded to me like, oh, you know, the Obama
administration was all over this tax thing curve coincidentally,
and have just kind of set up some kind of things that we're
not going to go in depth on, but they're all over this inversion
thing.
Well, of course, this has nothing to do with inversion
whatsoever.
No, but if you want me to continue with the clip,
everybody wanted
he liked to put the two together. So because inversion
is a big deal, and there's happens to be this giant
inversion play out there right now with Pfizer and Allergan
Irish drug company advisors trying to sell a sell them and
Brian Kim an Irish company and we're not putting it we're not
going for not not happening
right. But that's that's the kind of binding that into these
Panama
because it's easier to deal with and now we can play these
documents again.
Also on Tuesday, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer reportedly decided
to abandon plans to merge with the Ireland based drug maker
Allergan following the unveiling of the Treasury Department's new
rules. The deal would have allowed Pfizer to avoid billions
and US taxes and would have been one of the largest corporate
inversions in US history. This comes as the Panama Papers have
revealed at least 200 US citizens who use the Panama
based law firm Mossack Fonseca, the world's fourth largest
offshore law firm. The list includes Robert miracle of
Bellevue Washington, who's serving at 13 year sentence from
multimillion dollar Ponzi scheme based on investments in
Indonesian oil fields, and Benjamin way head of the private
equity firm New York global group, where he was indicted
last year on securities fraud. Since the beginning of the
publication of the Panama Papers on Sunday, many have questioned
my more US citizens and companies have not been named in
the articles analysing more than 11 and a half million secret
file some question go to democracy now.org To see our
full discussion about the Panama Papers yesterday.
Why did you go there you find out anything you learn about
in Europe refugees continue to stage protest to demand
you can stop Yeah, okay. I don't know why it was continued. But
the couple things did first day they named two guys who are in
jail already. Yeah. But that's kind of a safe bet. Not to worry
about demeaning anybody. There's others that have to be named I'm
not sure what what their I think is going to be you're going to
find P I don't want to say or predict any particular name is
separate the Bernie Madoff I can name I can think of a number of
athletes who probably got involved in his athletes,
professional athletes make millions and millions and are
worth some close to a billion dollars in some instances are
suckers for this stuff. Yeah.
How about this to expand? What if the made off money, which
you've all been led to believe was a Ponzi scheme, which was a
pretty, pretty easy excuse. What if that was actually laundered
for the drugs possible? And everybody knew it like this is
this is we're making money hand over foot here. So they had a
double double. This is real conspiratorial, but they had a
double double booking system. So they made it look like they were
doing a Ponzi scheme. But really everyone was benefit on
G scheme as a front for money laundering, right? So pretty
extreme, but it's a funny idea.
Why not? And everybody was I can see Kevin Bacon going drug
money, um, consumer money, do it?
Well, in Panama, you know, where Noriega was once running the
places of visit the Tories hub, even though they play it up as a
financial,
I'm afraid to call I'm afraid to call uncle Don about this one.
This is not a good idea. I shouldn't be talking to him
about anything Panama or
or Nicaragua related?
Probably not. We have to go on our own on just one thing. So I
expect more and more stuff to come on. Now. Deutsche Avella
had a nice little exposition on this and I and they're German.
So I think you know, it still doesn't do the job of the list
that Ensler had on her tweet, right. But, but it's at least
getting closer but we're not seeing anything like what you're
going to hear on on DW in the United States. I don't know how
long they're going to be able to put this off. But this reminds
me of how they remember during the early days of of Occupy,
that we were like the only two people talking
about it. Talking about it. Yeah, there was 0000. Yeah.
So let's hear this rap. That's
correct. Here in Germany, the German Justice Minister Heiko
Maas says the cover up must end he announced plans for a
national registry that would force shell companies to reveal
the identity of its owners. That's a response to the Panama
Papers, which as you know, leaked decade's worth of
documents from Masaka Fonseca detailing how clients hide their
cash. Let's take a look at that. Now. The law firm is
headquartered in Panama. But not all of its 200,000 shell
companies are actually based they're less than 50,000 are.
Most are in fact located in the British Virgin Islands, which is
a UK territory, though not subject to EU law. Another
favourite tax haven for the firm are the islands off the coast of
East Africa, known as the Seychelles, also a very nice
place to go on holidays if you're a millionaire. Know
Mossack Fonseca has opened accounts all over the world in
the United States, Europe and Asia. And it's done it with the
help of hundreds of banks.
More than 500 banks from around the world set up offshore
companies for their clients through the Masek Fonseca law
firm in Panama. The banks include big names like British
financial giant HSBC, Swiss banks, Cuddy, Suisse and UBS,
along with French lender Societe Generale. At least 28 German
banks allegedly took part in the dealings, including Germany's
largest lender, Deutsche Bank, customers holding offshore
accounts in Panama can now expect to hear from authorities.
Well, we need to investigate the individual cases where they've
got people holding their money offshore. You know, some of it
will be technically legal. I'm sure some of it won't be. But we
need accountability. You know, if you are a rich, powerful
individual, and you're not paying your taxes by having your
money offshore, that is fundamentally unfair. undermines
our democracy but also means that we don't have the money
that's needed for public services.
Some of the banks involved have already stressed that setting up
offshore companies is not illegal. And business activities
are strictly regulated. And the role banks play in helping their
customers hide money comes as little surprise. In late 2015.
Germany's comments bank agreed to pay 17 million euros in fines
because of GBS business dealings in Panama and Luxembourg. Yeah,
that's just that. And of course, they did say that was somewhat
downplayed, too. Yeah. Oh, you know, it's legal to do this.
How about this? The made off kids were running the drug
laundering. They snookered the old dude, if the thinking he was
just running a simple Ponzi scheme, we know that you know,
the both sides. This you're hung up on this, though sons are
dead. Yeah, I like it. But so Andrew made off died in 2014.
The last you know, he was still under investigation at that
time. But those guys, those kids didn't go to jail. I don't know.
I'm just I'm just throwing out throwing pebbles on the
screen a lot more to throw out as more it depends on how this
is going to be handled. Now we have Soros who may well be one
of the guys, although I don't get the sense that he needs to
pull schemes like this. Well, how are we this amateur hour to
do this stuff? To me?
Well, someone came in and said, We'll do fancy infographics. And
that'll give us credibility. And we'll will launch it with a
couple of pollutants and we'll launch it with somebody got to
slow down. We gotta we gotta launch it's long.
Already scammed money. But I
mean, really, they're worried about $1 billion, please. And
Putin is going, mitt, You insulted me. He's what he's
doing. 1 billion, that's nothing. It's nothing.
This is anyway, this is the story that I think we unless
they depends on where those documents are, if they're held
by more than one if they don't have backup somewhere or
something. I'm you know, the documents could all disappear.
If they're ever Word documents. Well, let's say there are no I'm
just I'm assuming there are. They're not taking you I can do
to the other thing, too. But I'm not going No. But then I believe
there is a terabyte of material, right? So
we should have the leaks of the leaks pretty soon.
There should be some leaks of leaks. And it could because
these journalists who are being paid by these journalists aren't
gonna care how much money they're not making anything.
Still. 400 400 is quite a bit. What 400 They say in their own
by their own admission? 400 journalists are being had been
paid for a year to work on this.
Yeah. Those 400 journalists and they can't keep their mouth
shut. And then if they suspect that something hinky is going
on, if their investigative journalists word this all night
is more or less likely, they they're they're talented enough
to be there. They will get and by the way, anything of any
chance of you running into one of these 400 towns and make a
full copy. It's only like what how many thumb drives? Is it?
You can get a terabyte thumb drive now?
Yeah, yeah.
So he's Reese thumb drives.
Yeah, that's easy.
Yeah, but anyway, so USB three is pretty fast. You could
download it just
just to help help for a second. Whoo. Because I'm of course
interested, I am going to focus in the next few days. I'm
focusing on the made off connection. Love that. But also,
you know what Intelligence Organisation organisations when
we think are a part of this?
I mean, who are they after the I mean, this is maybe one of those
deals of course, I'd pick this idea up from watching too many
really old lawn orders type of dramas, yes. Which is that
sometimes, and I get the sense this goes on every so often, you
want to kill someone is you're an intelligence agency, you
targeted somebody. And you don't want to make it obvious that you
killed them. So you kill a whole bunch of people. And they just
happen to be in the group, right? And then no one figures
out that would there was just a targeted killing of this one
guy. So as it might be good that might be going on because let's
face it, the people that are involved in these kinds of
sketchy shell companies in the Seychelles and British Virgin
Islands. They're douchebags. Yeah. So what if they get
burned? I mean, there's been a bunch I've been seeing tweets,
oh my god, they're meant naming names without doing any other
naming. They're just merging the reputation of these various
people who are doing business with a Panamanian law firms who
specialise in setting up sketchy operations. Yeah. Okay, so they
got mentioned that they're part of the big sweep.
Well, the this would be extremely handy for democracy.
You know, it's like, oh, look, hey, pay public. Look at the
horrible All the stealing that your leader has done, but isn't
it time to revolt? I mean, that's what we're gonna see.
That's USA ID that's that's their involvement if they're
involved, but they are certainly contributing to this.
USA ID these media believe is one of our agencies. Which one I
don't know, this is not overthrowing a government. But
this is a new data. And for me, this really seems like NSA. But
then again, I don't know. I wish we could hopefully, I think
within the next 30 days, we should be able to kind of figure
out,
Hey, let's go back for a second. What if your Russia idea is
correct? You know, throw, throw a couple, throw a couple of
people out there toss a few to the wolves that I can't eat SB
being behind that. Yeah. Hey, look at this cellist okay,
there's your Putin connection onward. Now, let's look at
stuff. You know, you really hit me with the Obama thing where
he's saying, Oh, it's not illegal. It's not illegal. Adult
doth protest too much we think of? Yeah,
totally.
FSB and it would be really tricky. And we have, everybody
already knows about Putin being loaded. And it's like, Well,
okay, raise Putin is out. Well, that's how he did it. Why don't
what do you do with all that money? Oh, there it is. And
there's a cellist that made a bunch of money. You know, he's
one of our best cellists. He deserves $6 million. Could be
and yeah, that would be a good Nothing to see here. Kind of a
way to go. Just if Putin tested you know, get it's not going to
hurt his reputation. I don't think in the country, the
Russians have that kind of attitude. But so they might be
after Obama or they might be who knows who or Hillary although I
think that Hillary's
Obama came out so quickly with his response to this. Yeah, it
was very, very much quicker than anything of you. It took weeks
before he said anything about what's what's her name? Carol
Manning. Chelsea Manning Yeah, Carol. Carol and Carol Manning.
Chanting I will keep our eye on I will probably learn something
pretty soon.
Well, whatever. I think this is a fantastic moment in just have
some fun with
propaganda history. This is a big one.
It's gonna be a lot of digging to be able to play this all
kinds of different ways. And we're going to be able to
deconstruct it and keep keep our listeners and producers happy.
Yes. Now I'm going to transition out of this was some other
shenanigans that were going on regarding banking. That was
very, very confusing. And our man Matt Lee, who has now twice
tweeted me, he'll take me up on the offer for free beer in
Austin when he gets here. I'll buy him 10 I bet he's a drinker.
What do you think?
Well, the problem is not normally the old journalist
thing as you try to get people kind of like saw enough sauce.
But because you're such a lightweight, oh, yeah, you'll
get us sauce. And you can tell him all kinds of stuff.
But I'll bring Tino along. So keep an eye on me.
If you the elbow to the man. She cannot. She cannot drink
anybody. I'm
sure. That's good. I have a feeling
well, just insulted her.
I was trying to retract it like, nice dress from Chicago, man.
Come on from Chicago. These girls don't mess around. Yeah.
She's a great wing man. Yeah, good.
He keep digging, keep
digging. Yeah. She knows what I mean. Thanks, John. All right,
Matt Lee. So there's a some something that Rubio brought up
in the Senate, about Iran and the sanctions on them using the
United States financial system. And it was very, you know, I'm
not quite sure exactly what Rubio said, but it does come up
in this clip and Matt Lee is questioning not to Kirby with
the other douchebag who's actually better, but it's it's
also funnier when He's flustered because he's
sort of he's gotta go he's just
brought this up. And well, this it may be somehow related. Maybe
the all the noise about the Panama Papers you know, kept the
attention away from this the question
that was raised to Ambassador Shannon yesterday and the
Foreign Relations Committee that was most that that more directly
addressed what it is that we understand the administration is
considering was raised by Senator Rubio and that is the
allowing non Iranian and non US banks to do trades and dollars
for deals that involve Iran as long as the dollars don't end up
and
my understanding is that is not what's under consideration.
What is under consideration I'm
not gonna say except to say that No, no, ma'am. Just to clarify,
I mean, I mean, okay,
let me because the fact that is what we understand as being I
understand
that you Okay, so at issue here, you is with the lifting of the
sanctions in the Iran deal, which the President has said
they're not really keeping to the spirit of the agreement,
although they are to the letter, we have to allow them to do
certain things, to not directly access our financial system,
because that is a sanction that is in place because you know,
all the other stuff that Iran might do. But apparently, we are
helping them figure out ways to shuffle money around. I don't
know if that goes through Panama or not, but just it was
coincidentally that they're working on this at the same time
leave, that's what's
being considered? Well, what I would say is that we continue to
advise banks and other governments on ways that they
can conduct business with Iran in a way that does not violate
existing US sanctions. And there are ways to do that, but it does
not involve banks converting money to dollars, or otherwise
inherent it actually inherently does so but it does because
because, as you know, the international commerce finance
is structured in such a way that huge amounts of transactions
from currency a to currency see go through currency B, which is
the but anyway, so you're saying right now that you guys are out
there, you guys are out there coaching? Advise advising, but
that's that's coaching banks and businesses, how to do do away?
Well, you're you say you're advising them how to close
deals, and that you can avoid the US sanctions,
they think that would work through Panama would be one way
to do it.
I don't think that's necessary.
I don't think so either. But they're really sketchy about
explaining how pretty much the US State Department and or the
administration is saying, Hey, if you want to do business and
not break the sanctions, here's this little quick place, you can
exchange everything and, and mums the word.
I mean, it's possible but I at this point, no, I don't think
anything is gonna go through Panama for a while. I don't
know. It's interesting, though. I like to use in coaching is
exactly what we're doing. Yeah, coaching for sure. You want to
you want to be advised. And coaching is a synonym there. But
it has a different implication. Do I hear the kid you can do it
now? No, no, no, no, you're not doing it. Right.
You want to hear the rest? Or? Yeah, no,
I'm always interested in what Matt's got to say.
What I would say in response, that really the role, what I
would say in response is that as Iran complies with the JCPOA,
and receives a certain amount of sanctions relief, it is
incumbent on us and Secretary spoke about this the other day
is incumbent on us to live up to our end of this deal, which is
to and part of that is, you know, is to advise these banks
and governments on ways that they can
avoid us
precisely that they can Well, I mean, that they can work.
I don't around
I don't necessarily use the idea of coaching. I think it's it's
simply it's our obligation as part of the JCPOA to advise them
that they don't I mean, these banks don't want to violate your
existing US sanctions, right.
So you're telling them, Hey, here's what they are, but they
are, but they are basically telling foreign banks and
foreign companies how they can use loopholes and us not
now. Not inaccurate, inaccurate, but well, okay, well, what
would they what is it?
They don't want to talk about it. That's for sure.
loophole. It's not a loophole. Yeah, it is.
It's a loophole.
That's very funny. And guy's good.
He gets no respect, I tell you, as LGBTQ q ia P stuff. If you're
interested in that,
we can do that. Or I can discuss the it's maybe good time to talk
about the party and, or Manhattan and then go to that,
or you can go to that and we can do that after that way. Or why
don't why don't we just do this as a little ahead of the game
right now. It's good. I definitely have
one clip of the Mississippi thing. Okay, let
me hear your clip, Mississippi.
Did you see my SSI SSI PP I
had so much fun checking my spelling on that the past couple
of days very little ditty that we learned with your
environment. My SSI SSI ppi,
Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant has signed a sweeping anti LGBT
law, which will allow organisations and businesses to
deny people an array of services based on religious objections.
Opponents say the new law set to take effect in July. It will
legalise discrimination against LGBT people. American Civil
Liberties Union of Mississippi head Jennifer Riley, Colin said
quote, this is a sad day for the state of Mississippi. And for
the 1000s of Mississippians who can now be turned away from
businesses refuse marriage licences or denied housing
essential services and needed care based on who they are. And
quote, on Tuesday, Chad Gryphon of the Human Rights Campaign
compared Mississippi's law to the anti LGBT law have recently
passed in North Carolina,
Mississippi needs only to look as far as North Carolina to see
how damaging discrimination can be to a state's reputation and
to a state's economy.
Madison. All right. Yeah, that's
pretty similar to what I got from the other networks. I do
have a couple examples just so you can hear the words that are
being used. Because what we do, there is one other piece of
land. What we do based on on your support of the show is we
go and we read the documents and we do some homework which and we
certainly tell you exactly what's in it and not over
embellish the way it's being done here. So that was always
that was a democracy now. Yes. Okay, here's ABC
next here this evening to a flashpoint the Tennessee
legislature weighing a vote on a new law to protect the right of
counsellors to turn away patients if treating them would
violate their religious beliefs. It's the latest in a wave of
similar laws across this country, including a move in
Mississippi
tonight the culture war over same sex marriage has come to
Mississippi. Protesters here are taking their outrage to Governor
Phil Brian's door. This week. He signed in a new law allowing
public and private businesses to refuse service on religious
grounds to gay or transgender people. And not just cakes,
flowers and wedding venues. But adoptions certain medical
services and counselling critics call it state sanctioned
bigotry.
Okay, that's ABC. So clearly LGBTQ Q is a p at the forefront
and state sanctioned bigotry We go now to watch this ABC again.
I'm sorry, we go to NBC New State
new controversy, Mississippi now embroiled in a debate over
religious freedom and gay rights.
With the stroke of his pen, the governor of Mississippi setting
in motion a giant controversy that's reverberating across the
country this morning. Opponents say the new law legalises
discrimination former instinct singer in Mississippi native
lands, bass posted a sign that reads entering Mississippi,
please turn your clocks back 200 years.
Okay, so I guess that's equating yoke I
like to use Yes, I
think he's equating it to slavery. And there's a lot of
that going on CBS their version here
it's governor has banned non essential state travel to
Mississippi because of that state's so called religious
freedom bill and the Online Payment Service Pay Pal is
cancelling plans to open a new facility in North Carolina.
Citing the state's new Transgender Law, critics say the
measure discriminates against members of the gay lesbian and
transgender community.
So there's all kinds of universal it was seen as the
anti gay Bill etc, etc. I just wanted to give you the actual
background on this Mississippi bill, which is house number
1523. The name of it is protecting freedom of conscience
from government Discrimination Act, and it is written very
narrowly. And it only pertains to the following situations in
so the act of Salah maizing a marriage or services for a
solemn annihilation or a marriage accommodations
facilities goods have privileges for a purpose related to the
solemnization formation celebration or recognition of
any marriage based upon or in a manner consistent with a
sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in
section two. And this pertains also to employment related
decisions in this sector. So this is about the marriage
sector, I'd say the wedding sector the same concerning any
is an anti gay marriage. Targeted bill.
Yes, but I'm just pointing a couple things out. Okay. Go. It
is only is only for marriage and not anti gay and I'll get to
that. Now it is based upon two inherent religious beliefs. One
is that marriage is between a man and a woman and two is that
sex only takes place after a marriage of a man and a woman.
And so what and I don't think this is necessary this is
complete overkill, but it's so stupid they've done this because
Hello, Sharia law. Boy, we're going to benefit from this crap.
I'm telling first thing I thought first thing you said,
maybe that's the first thing you said. Absolutely. The
first thing I said about North Carolina, but when this
happened, they said they said it to myself again. Yeah, I
thought, Sharia law, redlining, real estate, there's all kinds
of possibilities here that are just completely out of control.
That said, I cannot see how one lawsuit won't get this. And I
don't see the Supreme Court back in this in a million years. But
that's
well beyond the from a constitutional point. As you
know, I'm a constitutional lawyer. It's really interesting,
because we have the Civil Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act was
not about gender was about race. And as far as I understand it,
you need to correct me, the Civil Rights Act was more about
government facilities, government agencies, anything
that has to do with federal or state governments. I'm not
entirely sure. I think you can still refuse service to anybody,
for whatever reason, what what this law is supposed to do is
supposed to protect people who say, Hey, I rejected your
business for whatever, whatever my reasons are, you can't force
me to do it based upon a conflict of my religious
feelings, which I think any Supreme Court would say, No, you
can't do that. So this law is unnecessary. But what it does is
actually gives a lot of people who are very, very staunch
Republicans full of right wing rhetoric and Christianity,
they've totally shot themselves in the foot with this because
the first thing care is going to do you watch, hey, now we
believe differently. It can be a man and a woman and a woman and
a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman, a woman
with a little boy on the side, maybe that's what they'll say.
Now, this is insane to for this to be done, but it's really
being it's not getting the scrutiny it deserves, because of
the very loud gay gay voice and gay agenda on this. Whereas you
know, really, what do you care? What do you care if someone
doesn't want to bake a cake for you? Who cares? Now that you
won't won't get hired or fired? I mean, yeah. And I think it's
something for the Supreme Court more than anything, it's or, I
don't know, they just leave it at the states if you want that
to be but you're really stupid Mississippi be really going to
bring in all kinds of problems with other religions, because
you're not the only one. CNN, which is funny,
but it seems as though they were writing these things just based
on fundamental Christian fundamentalists as though
there's no Jewish fundamental, yeah, or Hindu Muslim funding or
see how these crazy beliefs Yeah, or seek, seek
fundamentalist all of this stuff?
Oh, yes.
This was funny, Ashley Benningfield, who's kind of
ditzy? Well, they're all ditzy, although she's a lawyer, but she
comes across as ditzy and cute. And she's CNN, there was
one other piece of language and I'm gonna have to paraphrase it
but it's odd. It's a law in Mississippi protects from
discrimination claims from anyone who believes that
marriage is between one man and one woman. So the cake baker
doesn't want to bake a cake for a same sex marriage, they get
the protection from a discrimination lawsuit. And then
there's this and that sexual relations are reserved solely
for marriage. So, um, I wasn't aware of that until I just
happen to notice it today. Does that mean that cake baker could
refuse a couple that just lives together? To bake a cake for
someone who just lives together? Absolutely. Absolutely. That's
bigger headlines because that affects
Ashley's word, Ashley's words, she's not gonna get a cake.
Because she's a sloth
millions and millions of
dollars sort of beyond the whole you can't have sex cake.
The Mississippi law is the other laws look tiny, just because
it's this tubing, of course of the kind of the provisions
you're talking about. And also the number of people and
institutions that are allowed to discriminate under the
Mississippi law. It's every business in the state. It's
every church, it's every it's the government itself. So the
breadth of this law is really extraordinary far greater than
the North Carolina law or even the Indiana law that was
overturned so you know I think you're right to point out what
it what an extreme version of the law is, but you know, this
is what the legislators want
Well, that's true but what a what a mistake, but what just
wanted Gross, gross, gross mistake, final clip on this and
here's someone who I thought was speaking some sense although
take it with a grain of salt that guy works for the Heritage
Foundation. So he's probably buying part of this law but he
was on with Don Lemon, which is a double whammy because you've
got a black guy who happens to be gay. And you can so he his
agenda is kind of all that he does get set straight a little
bit on this.
It sounds like the same argument for Loving versus Virginia which
was decided years ago between you know, people to different
races. What's the difference here?
Well, I disagree. I think race is entirely different. I was at
the Civil Rights Division for the Department of Justice for
seven years, I enforced our anti discrimination laws. This is a
passion of mine. And this is entirely different. This is
entirely about religious freedom. It is tailored very
specifically to the wedding context. And it
was also used in Loving versus Virginia as well that they said
that it was Biden says it was against two people of different
races marry,
yes, and race is different. And this has nothing to do with
race. And in fact, the word sexual orientation appeared
nowhere in this bill. It allows people to dissent in a very
small context, small businesses in the wedding service context,
religious institutions, religious educational
facilities, adoption facilities, it's very focused, very
tailored, very balanced, there should be room for people of
faith, to express their beliefs and not be punished by the
government.
Under the law, religious organisations will be able to
deny LGBT people marriage, adoption, and foster care. So
this is important because he is reading this as if he's reading
the law. And that's how he's stating it. But he doesn't even
know what it really says it's minor. But it's important
because this is how this works. And this is why we get
distracted from what's really going on at people
marriage, adoption, and foster care services, fire or refuse to
employ them and declined to rent or sell them property. It sounds
like the same thing they did with black folks. How is this
not discrimination? Well, first, that's
not what the bill says. The bill doesn't allow sexual orientation
doesn't
mention that. But that's what it does not allow it may not
specifically say that, but it would allow
but the words matter. The words matter. That's what the law
means. It's based on the words and the words say it's focused
on the issue of marriage. But I think you're being disingenuous
here
because this law, listen to me, under the law, religious
organisations will be able to deny LGBT people marriage, is
that wrong?
No, okay. The clerk's are actually required to provide
marriage licences if we're talking about marriage that's
already handled.
Yeah. So that's what I'm hearing everywhere is, oh, I'm gonna be
able to get married. No, you'll be able to get married. But
this, the makers of this law, the writers, the pastors of this
law, are arrogant. And then and it really is extremely bigoted
because you're saying our religious freedom we're
codifying that something very specific about marriage. Very,
very, very specific. And, you know, you don't have the right
to do that. It's, it's arrogant. It's
very subtle mixing of church and state here too, which is, which
is another reason this thing to get thrown out. Yeah, for
example, if you're a cake maker, I mean, to be in business in one
of these communities, you have to get a business licence.
Right? I don't know any place that you can go to just open up
a business without getting a business licence. You gotta get
a business licence, you gotta file fictitious business names
or stuff that you have to do. I mean, I suppose that some Polk
County just you know, you can just have people come into your
house and you can make him a cake and they give me five bucks
cash. But generally speaking, when you do a business licence
you get you have to agree to certain terms that and Ben
policies that are kind of part of the community and is that
you're supposed to serve people I mean, if you're gonna start a
business that's going to open up a restaurant, you can't make it
somebody a private club. That's a different kind of business.
You can do that. But then there's a rigmarole you gotta go
through. This is a crazy I think you're right, this is just
arrogant. Arrogant. This is the most arrogant stupid thing I've
seen for a very long time
and just wait until care comes that is the yeah count on
America American Islamic Relations. You wait until they
come brotherhood. They haven't they haven't weighed in yet, but
they will. They will. Do you think this is a great idea?
Well, they probably want their own law. Yeah, of
course they do. Yeah.
Now that
everybody's got some issue we'll go move to Mississippi. I'm
telling you can be can be I've ever been in Dearborn, head to
Mississippi. At a restaurant you have to serve anybody but fellow
fellow travellers if
that was really my contribution is you know, stop with the gay
stuff already. Look at what's really going on. Look at how
arrogant and dangerous this is from a religious perspective.
Look at that view. I am the first to defend church and Jesus
and God anybody wants to you know believe in whatever they
want to believe in. But it's not the only religion and that's
what this screens the screams that's Oh, this is the this is
this is what it is. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, it shouldn't. It
doesn't belong in a law anywhere, anywhere. That's so
obvious. Mississippi, what are you doing? And gay and gay
patrol, stop it. Or please use your platform to bring up this
other issue. That would be smart. Hey,
that's not gonna happen.
You know, the gays listened to us to John.
He had a few examples. Have you been there? Okay. Yeah. Let's
talk about the meetup. Yeah,
New York. Sorry, New York City,
New York City. So we go to New York City, we're gonna have a
big meetup and I had to, here's what, I don't want to get into
the thing about MailChimp, but so we had a meetup in New York
City. I'm kind of glad and so I couldn't send a direct message
to New Yorkers. It had to go out to everybody I got it. So
because I couldn't get this the selection to work the selector.
So okay, I said, I'm glad I did. Because it stuck, made the
dinner start off with a huge positive vibe. Oh, because I we
arrived at sparks a group of us and a creator says, You Are you
John Dvorak, you gentlemen. And he so he hands me this note? And
he says Happy Birthday, John. Duke and Duchess of Japan.
Oh, wow.
So there's sparks guys think I'm somehow involved with the Duke
and Duchess of Japan. A very expensive bottle of champagne at
the table. Oh,
fantastic. They like everyone was sucking you off all night
long.
We pretty much had one waiter dedicated to our table.
Oh my god, the Duke
the champagne label. I've never seen the champagne before as
some sort of a of a Pinot Blanc de Pino. It was absolutely
fantastic. And it didn't have it wasn't on the wine list. I don't
know what, oh, goodness, especial champagne. I don't know
what they paid for it. I couldn't find out.
This needs to happen. I mean, whenever I whenever I go to
Popeyes, I want that to happen to me to
thank him profusely. Yeah, so we had this time. So we're going to
be done at eight to go to the bar and the bend of sparks bars
is a good sized bar. We had probably about 40 people show
up. I wonder what they thought you were die wondering too,
because at the end, they were just like bottling them and
say hello to the new conductions of Tokyo. Hi. Hi.
I thought that the we're gonna get kicked out because we build
the borrower, the capacity for 4050 people you said, the above
40 friendless. tastic. Wow,
what a great meetup.
So yeah, it was a great meetup. But it was in a meeting. You
know, my feeling was that it was actually it turned into pretty
much of a New York style cocktail party. Yes, I could see
that. And so it which was great, because everyone's chatting with
each other. A lot of people were shy and they wouldn't mix which
was kind of a shame. One person in particular, which is a lot of
people would like to have talked to people apparently have bought
tables around our table and they were you know, ogling us. All
but I never noticed. He's He's friends with the restaurant is
the point. And so they're happy to see us and so they weren't
gonna throw us out of the bar because everyone was buying and
drinking and having a great time. At what
point did y'all put Your Eyes Wide Shut masks on and they dim
the lights? When did this happen? I can just see it
and shut it. Took your clothes off. So So I want to thank a few
people who contributed at the time I also want to mention Rob
Adams was there. Oh sir. Atomic Roddick's and Nick the rat was
there.
I didn't know I saw no photographic evidence of Nick
the rat being there.
He was there. And everybody wanted to meet Nick the rat.
Nick thought you were drunk.
I don't know about that. But after my third cognac, it was
getting there. And the next rat was there at a friend's scene
and Oh, nice. Nice where
there was a lot of our regulars there.
What are you learning?
Now one of them dropped off a ball of high and very nice
bourbon. Oh, nice. The problem is there was no card in there
and I go thanks. Thanks. And of course I couldn't remember
anything because I was hammered. Hammered but that's not the
reason is because I just can't remember anything. And so I
don't know if it was Tanya who dropped off the bottle or for
his rod Adams it who knows? I don't know if someone's gonna
have to send me a note so I can thank him for the bottle of
bourbon. Meanwhile, there's a few people that need to be
there we need to play our jingle and we'll go straight into
everything or how do we do this we want to do
well I was just gonna not do that. We're just gonna do this
separate then we can play the donation or these are higher.
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Nice.
We have a lesser donation. It was not that much lesser but
it's lesser from JD who does have infamous story and he has a
nice little card he dropped off. It was fun to get the cards by
the way. Oh, JD I know JD is you know J. Here are some birthday
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partner had lack of longhand, as I haven't used it since 2005.
The outstanding product known as T the best podcast in universe
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much ReShade Happy Birthday blah blah blah hope New York Street
View well we need to find in New York. I got a nice card from
Bill from Glen rock. And he I believe
added a bunch of Glen rock New Jersey I'm sure
yeah 100 bucks from him. And now the car these are all mostly
cards, which is cool
any more gifts besides the libations?
Yeah, I got a Starkweather I believe that gave us this
evidence pack. Oh, it was like an evidence pouch from some some
police department filled with some of his photos there
was still with blood on it.
It's actually kind of cool.
You can use it as a clutch.
Yes, actually, that'd be good. He sent a card in and with the
note was noted says we not as cute as a puppy but close to 90
where he's he's bid for Simon read New York. 12345. Thank you
for that. As I dig down through these notes and things this
Mappy
midlife crisis karma, please. And he has a $100. So we'll give
him some karma at the end of the lung donation segment. Now this
one, this is Ryan Merritt. And who puts sanity in his for he's
sir, to Oh, sir. Something a lot, sir. solves a lot, sir.
solves a lot, sir. I don't know. I can't remember. But Ryan Mara
be executive producer, because he said give us $567.89 Wow,
that was a big deal. And I really chatted with everybody
that was there was one of the one transgender producer came
over and said she said at the end,
thank thank you for using her proper pronoun.
She, she said that the show has saved her. Oh. And we had a
number of people that came up with this these, like how
important this show it actually is to them. I'm
glad you witnessed this. Because this is this is what I was
telling you. When I said you really need to get on the road,
do some meetups, because it's so beautiful to hear people saying
you know, I really it's odd, of course, when someone says the
show saved me. But they mean it because they got some bit of
there. It's the involuntary social network disorder. It's
the propaganda people are very happy when someone else says,
oh, maybe if you just look at it this way, then you'll feel
better about yourself because it's nagging you. Yeah. But what
was what was her? Was her specific? What did we save her
from?
I never really got that out of her. She just wanted to say
thanks. And she was very, very serious about this. And she was
one of the people that was sitting in one of the tables and
somebody commented that ah, you know, I didn't think she was
part of the group. She wasn't mixing. Because these are like
mixers a little bit and you kind of have to go I think a lot of
people were uncomfortable. Not many, but there are a lot of
people it's like, Who are these strangers? And why am I here?
Kind of thing, even though this most of the people came away
from this because there were enough people and it was lively,
very lively gathering. They got to meet people they wanted to
meet or they've heard about and they I think again the no agenda
phenomenon of making no agenda friends. Yes, it
had been these people will meet each other again, that's very
typical. It's very typical. It's not and
you know, I got I got scolded actually a few times for not
doing New York before and New York, so you should do and yeah,
and I know you already know Yeah, York go forever. In eight
years. You just come to New York.
Oh man, but Nick the rat was not nice to you.
No, no, Nick them. That's Nick's voice. But that's Nick is like,
Nick is hammered. And I know what he was doing.
Nick is stone.
Dear John and Adam. My husband Jerry introduced me to your
podcast in 2014 Dude,
helicopter literally just buzzed my window I'm not kidding was
probably about 30 feet away from the building a Robinson 44.
Did he give you a peace sign?
I was looking for the red dot honestly.
Red easy from yet choppers hard. Not really. Yeah, your podcast
in 2014. During the mission Malaysian Airline fiasco and
have been listening religious religiously since living in New
York City can be a chaotic and messy. But your display
construction of the news has has allowed for a much needed
respite during our launch Subway rides she goes on. This is
Monica and Jerry out of some party. I'm
thinking about this saved thing. You know, of course there's an
analogy there with a church which we're clearly not. But is
what does the church use as their hook to get new people and
they say you'll be saved. Or you know, they always have baby
Jesus which is pretty cool. They got that they got a great great
dude fronting the whole business.
Well, I'm reminded of I'm reminded of we had a makeup
person at Tech TV a guy who was if you ever said anything bad
about Oprah Winfrey just go off on because according to him,
Oprah has saved him now only thing like and he was a big
desire was a wreck until OPRAH You know straight Yeah,
that's like Richard Simmons had believers like that.
Now, I think what it is, is that some people are looking for a
certain message that is something that they actually
their subconscious needs, or they're they're have cognitive
dissonance or they have something going on with them.
That needs to be jarred loose, jarred loose or righted just as
right the ship doesn't take that much sometimes just boom. Now
there's a listen to the show. They
are like a gyroscopic readjustment
and I think that's that's what a lot of the shows do if they're
not taking they're not taking themselves too seriously and
they're actually trying to help people. And so that could be an
element card here from Grace one David and Jen can't read this of
course, I'll be sending an email to remind you about sir Mad
Hatter will be celebrating his 42nd birthday on April 8. You
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bunch of cards Amy Luka Jamie rose on Jamie's look at these
cards. No, no,
it's not easy as a beer maker of some sort. I know what this and
this is not easy. I know. I
know. It's not easy you did it. You've done it a number of
times. And I hear we got another was a go and there's another
executive producer Craig Luke on 333 33. And he quick note and
donation for your continued work to keep us all informed on what
is getting going on wrong with the world. John, thanks for
inviting all the listeners to sparks. I know my wife named
Jamie was maybe named Janie that was the note that could be named
Janie. Jamie I was thrilled to make the trip into the city.
Keep
going to Big Smoke.
I'm sorry. I always get a kid killed me a trip to New York is
it's a lot of thing I guess. I guess it could be a thrill this
bet yeah, this is Manhattan. That was Jamie that was the know
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Although they didn't throw us out, they were very happy that
we were there on Tuesday night, we filled up the bar and, and
helped to keep the restaurant going. And these are a few of
the people I want to thank all of them as they came up, and we
chatted about all kinds of things. And I want to thank
everyone who appeared at this event and one of the fellows
bought me a bunch of cognac and that was happy about that. I'm
sure you're worried I didn't fall over.
No, at least not when everyone was still there. We get back,
man, I gotta go back. I'm gonna go back and say, Excuse me. I'm
good friends with Mr. John C. Dvorak, a, you know, good
friends with the Duke and Duchess of Tokyo. I'd like some
of the
Bucha group, maybe get the table especially right in front of the
state.
Man, oh, I've been to wind this up. I've, I've I've hacked my
Amazon Echo. So I've renamed her book of knowledge. Cool. Yeah.
So we can say, book of knowledge. How old is John C.
Dvorak.
John C. Dvorak. Jack is 64 years old.
I'm gonna show my school but donate to no agenda. Imagine all
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It's handy have done that. Because if we ever need to
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Mississippi is spelled M ISSISSIPPI. That's kind of cool.
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Well, now. I think you've just led the way. Yeah, everyone's
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we can use it for all kinds of things. Yeah. You can say for
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Adam PERIES height is six feet and five inches. 196
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Yeah. So we can do these events and maybe be a little more
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we should have an
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everybody especially the meet up in New York I'm a little jail
little jelly. You should be little jelly just just a tad
because it sounds like it was really a lot of fun.
It was actually a lot of fun and when I get Jim says Jay was
there who now apparently according to everybody needs a
nickname. Jay needs a nickname. And now she's right Yeah, cuz
you got buzzkill Jr. You got Eric shield. There's nothing for
J She seems a little miffed by this. Somebody pointed it out.
Okay, how about the princess?
Oh, just to piss her off
the princess was there that would piss her off I'm sure
that's why we're gonna use it. No we can't now
she What I liked about having the VI we had the old family
Mimi was there and buzzkill JR and his wife. But for Jay To me
this was Alicia got to experience on I think it was a
break pay Manhattan style cocktail party, which is
slightly different than you get here on the West Coast. Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a little more raucous. It's a little more
booze flowing and more talkative
and names dropping.
It's beautiful. You get into these these if there's watch
Silicon Valley and watch some of the parties that they show.
There's just a bunch of people standing around. Nobody's
talking to each other. You're too shy. I admit
I have. I have started to watch the third season and I was not I
didn't like it at all. But man, this is so recognisable, so down
rounds of all this stuff. Everything bridge like it's all
so recognisable, every single bit of it is really funny, but
yeah, they rent out gank at the stadium that was AT and T Park.
Nobody in it.
Nobody in it, but you guys standing around drinking tap
beer.
So question though, just to wrap up the New York visit. Do you
think that any member of your family well, now maybe listen to
an episode of the show?
I really seriously doubt it. Jobs,
jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.
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it's the trees now it's the trees. So always trees. It's the
trees fallen then pollen is right. Crew. Okay. I have a
couple of things. Oh, first of all a little Correct. Cioni The
White House has come back as they were under fire. You recall
that there was blatant propaganda going on here to
which we were all shocked when they had edited out the term
Islamist terrorists Islamist terrorists from French president
I still think is one of the wow well so they've they
have now come out and they made a statement they made a
statement of a technical issue with the audio during the
recording glitch.
Somehow you could find that clip but they could
that technical issue with the audio during the recording of
present or lungs remark led to a brief drop in the audio
recording of the English interpretation. As soon as this
was brought to our attention we posted an updated video online
here with the complete audio which is consistent with the
written transcript we released yesterday. Very good.
Well let me get to it. Let me ask you again. How did you get
it? Does it was a glitch that apparently was a major glitch.
How did you get the clip? How did you get the clip?
I played the glitch clip I did have the you played the other
when you played both did I guess I did. I don't remember? I don't
remember but I got it from sources. I can't disclose my
sources. I protect our sources, sources. It's our sources. But
anyway, cheap, cheap low as excuse Oh, it was a computer
glitch? Why do people take this crap seriously anymore? And
something else now that I've been training ever since I've
ever since I've been in this place I've really been training
myself to listen as much as I can. It's very hard to do when
when you got arms flying everywhere, but the depression
indicators now and I know you're always on the lookout for this
and I want to throw one by you and see if maybe There's some
depression indicators that that are coming around. And I implore
everybody to try and find these for the show. And this really
comes on the heels of Donald Trump's prediction that we're
going to see a huge recession. In.
I think it's interesting he did that. Yeah, actually, I'll
play the I got a clip here on second. That'd be kind of good.
Where was it? Ah, oh, yeah. Here it is CNBC,
Donald Trump warns of an economic downturn. In an
interview with the Washington Post. The billionaire
businessman and GOP front runner predicts the US economy is on
the verge of a very massive recession. But economists say
he's wrong. Some say while the stock market may be overvalued.
That does not mean a recession is coming. Trump has had a tough
week on the campaign trail after struggling to articulate his
views on abortion, among other missteps. The bottom line,
economists question Trump's call.
Alright. Well, the one thing I know with Trump is he tends to
say things in advance and they tend and they tend to be right.
But I don't know if he's ever done that with the economy. But
when I heard that my ears perked up, because I'm going that's
what Johnny says. Do you have any comments on that before I've
always
had the sense that this this deconstruction I've done of the
economic cycle, which results in this eventual book is nothing
new. I think a lot of people know about I think the whole fed
in it, I think Bernanke knew about it for sure. And I think
it's very easy to make this prediction.
All right. So I have what I think is an indicator I may be
wrong, but it's a trend and I've noticed it and I'm thinking this
is something this is a callback in a somewhat modern or newer
version. You ready? Yeah. Adult colouring books.
Okay, now that you mentioned that but j the princess Yes. J
The princess that I work J The J The Princess and Mimi. We're
doing these colouring books on the flight back and the flight
over the fight over and the flight back and they get these
shoots they get first of all that is a great business for the
people that make these colouring pens. Oh, they're
almost out they're sold out everywhere. Yeah, you can't
find a colour of these pencils with J has like this huge and
must be 40 pairs.
There's a global global pen and pencil shortage.
Well, they use the pens the art pens. And these colouring books
are very elaborate. I mean he really gives us and it's a good
way to kill time according to the two of
them and if you searched around, which I did, that is extremely
good. Who for people who are depressed they feel depressed.
This is the Oh to get an adult colouring book and this is a
throwback to needlepoint and samplers, which people used to
do back in the day.
Hang them on the wall haha yeah, I thank you
very much. Thank you. They also had colouring books again.
From me. I had not considered this and I did was supposed to
be looking for you were exposed to it no less. And I was exposed
to it no less. And I didn't put two and two together the dad on
Did you get any on you when you were exposed? I hope you hope
you dosed against
Yeah, yeah. And I'm seeing it nice. Yeah, I'm seeing it every
last clip of the day. Oh, there's no no, that's too bad.
I'm good because I thought Pam that looks really
adult colouring books and needlepoint. Yeah. Damn. Yeah.
samplers. Remember those samples? You have? My mom My mom
had a sampler on the wall. Well, jays finished a couple of these
at the fringes. The princess.
They're beautiful. They're very frameable. These adult colouring
books and no, it's not a slouch. It's good art. That's why you
fell or it is
beautiful right now.
It's beautiful. It's a beautiful day. My mom had a sampler on the
wall that she had two of them. One when they were from my great
grandmother, I remember. What was beautiful. No. The road is
never long to a friend's house. That was one. And the other one
was I felt bad for myself. Because I had no shoes until I
met a man who had no feet. No feet. Yeah, exactly. You know,
then that's what I grew up with. And life is not fair. Shut up
and do your chores. That was another sample was on my wall.
I think you nailed it. I'm glad you like it more to be said and
I experienced You're right. And the two of them just grinding
away on these things. And they're very Yeah, I'm sure.
But for depression, why not in that interesting. Yeah, it's
very interesting. I was just oblivious. Damn,
I hate that.
Hey, the president said something very interesting,
which to me, I don't know why this didn't get any more play
this nuclear summit he he did a lot of talking about this
nuclear Osama bullets. I got lots of clips from that, which
of course isn't just all everyone was talking, just
talking diarrhoea of the mouth. The President pretty much agreed
that we do drone strikes that kill civilians. This has never
been admitted. Has it? Has anyone
ever beaten around the bush about it? I don't think he's
actually said that straight up.
I think there's been in the past legitimate criticism that the,
the architecture and the legal architecture around the use of
drone strikes, or other kinetic strikes wasn't as precise as it
should have been. And there's no doubt that civilians were
killed. That shouldn't have been,
but I got it. I got it. He just found out
he admitted it. Come on, man. Found out. That's unbelievable.
It's like Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. We killed civilians. I'm shocked. I
tell. Other things go well,
I'm shocked. I tell you, how can I how can this be how can this
be? Doc? Oh, oh, Uma, Uber, Aberdeen, Uber, amor de Houma,
Aberdeen, and I have to just talk about whom Aberdeen married
to Anthony Weiner. And my theory has always been that she is
Hillary Clinton's lover. That's why she'd be Hillary plucked her
out of the intern pool, runs in the family runs in the family.
And
you have a theory. I'm sorry. That's not much of a theory. Oh,
but wait, I'm obviously true. Okay,
there you go. And Anthony Weiner, was just the beard. And
he was promised. Yeah. And he was promised a
he was on a faster on his private price. Everybody would
look. Yeah, well, he
was on a fast track, but he knew that men are stupid. And you
know, the certain point all the blood drained out of his head
and he started to maybe
uma would have done done him a favour once. Wow, you're really
saying this man. Okay. Thanks, Joe. Is that how it works? No, I
think uma may be a man hating lesbian.
A man hater. Yeah, I
think so. It's possible. It's possible. Anyway, she did a
podcast called call your girlfriend the call your
girlfriend podcast, and the premise of the podcast? Yeah,
it's called call your girlfriend. And the premise of
the podcast is the kind of stuff you call up until your
girlfriend. Oh, my God, girlfriend, you won't believe
what happened. I think that's it while you're looking into the
yellow light of your iPhone. So she went on there. And she
talked about how the first time she met Hillary Clinton. And
first of all, her her cadence you'll hear is very Clinton ask.
She's completely infected.
Oh, yeah. That's yeah, you hear this at all that all the staff,
all the women on the staff speak around Hillary and a lot of them
in the Obama White House to have this cadence. That's very, yeah.
Well, it's not even the same sorority? No.
But I thought this was an interesting bit to listen to.
And for you know, it's fun to play other podcasts from time to
time. Can
you tell us about the first time that you met Hillary Clinton?
Like, what is it like just meeting this? I, you know, like,
iconic figure
like, Oh, my What do you think John was like being this? Oh, it
was a real iconic cigar
meeting. I, you know, like an iconic figure like in politics,
politics. President Clinton had his reelection. A few of us in
turns went to Little Rock and that was so that was in November
obviously,
doesn't sound like Chelsea if you just Chelsea a little fat a
little faster than Chelsea speaks. He speaks quite a bit
like Chelsea Yeah, it was a little bit.
November, obviously. And I remember being at the rally in
Little Rock, and it was election night. And obviously, he was
reelected. And I remember being on the rope line. And there are
1000s and 1000s of people and I was you know, with a whole bunch
of my friends and, and, you know, I had I had met her
before, like I said, in this photo for 30 seconds. They come
out and the crowds electric. I know. So you want to know these
things that happen in your life, they just stick that she walked
by, and she shook my hand and our eyes connected. And I just
remember having this moment where I thought, wow, you know,
this is amazing. And I just, it just inspired me and you know, I
still remember the look on her face. And it's funny and she
would probably be so annoyed that I say this, but I remember
thinking oh my gosh, she's so beautiful. And she's so little
sort of because you know, people have different on TV I just
thought wow. And I had such a fan girl when I'm in and I was
just giving
her the middle finger on her poem this
Wow, she's so I looked at her eyes locks and Susan show Her
eyes locked and then all of a sudden, Wow, she's so tiny and
beautiful. I had a fangirl moment. Okay, fine.
Wow, borderline Clip of the Day,
I'll take that I'm sorry, wrong one, I meant this one to the
gate to the gate to the clinic. Hey, we
go to the climate gateway remodel.
First one comes from a little sesh little sesh with our White
House Science Advisor, you know what that is John Podesta, one
of the very same people who warned us for global cooling in
the 70s. Documents, articles prove it. He's all in on global
warming and climate change. Now, of course, and along for the
ride is Gina McCarthy.
Who did the work in there. Yeah, McCarthy still working that
should have been fired after the Flint, Michigan.
Yeah, I agree. But she's there, she's there. She's the head of
the Environmental Protection Agency. Talking about? Well,
really, it's really, it's really bad John's it's really, really
bad. Last
one that I would mention that is very striking, I think in this
report is heat related illness and death. The report projects
that under middle of the road emissions scenarios, we can see
from 1000s to 10s of 1000s of additional heat related deaths
in the United States each summer. And the numbers are
really very striking. And it comes from the fact that modest
increases in average temperature are associated with large
increases at the tails of the distribution. And that means big
increases in extreme heat events, extremely hot days. And
heat waves which mean five or more extremely hot days in a
row. In some parts of the world. When you look more broadly at
this question, you see the likelihood that in the hottest
times of the year, it will be simply physiologically
impossible to work outdoors. That means agriculture, that
means construction, people who try to work outdoors, will
basically be unable to control their body temperature and will
die. That this is a really, really big deal. And it's going
to be a big deal in the hottest parts of the United States as
well as in the Middle East, in South Asia. And, and other
places.
Yeah, nice. Because it's gonna get just a little bit hotter.
Everyone's gonna die. Oh, you work in construction, I cook you
work in construction, you're gonna die, you're gonna die. But
that's not quite as nutty as Bill Nye the Science Guy. Who
knows we're all gonna die if we don't stop global warming. Where
was he was on. Oh, I can't remember where this was from,
but it was worth listening to.
They're in denial. They're just adamant. They don't see the
connection between carbon dioxide and methane in the world
getting warmer. They ignore all the data. So it's very troubling
you guys. It's really the conservatives have gotten funded
by the fossil fuel industry. And there's been this you know, the
P there's been concern that the number of people in the voting
populace is not very high with respect to climate change.
They're not heard. They haven't heard of it. They don't remember
it. They've set it aside in their minds. And that's because
of the success of these deniers that have worked so hard, funded
almost entirely by the fossil fuel industry. And while you're
out there, don't be surprised after the conservatives, the
Republicans pick somebody yes, this person goes well I've been
thinking about it and climate changes are a big issue because
I don't think they can quite get enough they I don't think the
party can quite get enough votes without millennials. A climate
denial is almost entirely generational you only now and
then you meet a young person. Nobody Your age is a climate
denier very fast so it's all people not true.
No of course it's not true as white the guy's douche. And he's
saying that
conservatives is a lie which is the Oh any climate denier is
funded by the fossil fuel industry. Oh,
yes. All of them. But he says conservatives are money. Wait,
wait until they need the millennials I'm gonna switch
positions on climate change. Yeah, okay. No red book for you
Nye The idiot. That's not how it's gonna work. Doom cop.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, okay.
Once you guys don't clothed I got a
couple of things are let's see what we got. Um, I want to do
well, let's play the ISO Get that out of the way. So you can
use it later in the show. I hope.
Okay, the ISO
Be aware of your surroundings at all times.
Good one. It's in now.
I got to hear the Hillary rounding. Yeah, ah, okay, a
whole to get and they've got a speech from Hillary talking to
the AFL CIO. And here she is I had gay have her birth Hillary
on Bernie and then I ever also as John Dickerson, who's TBS
sounds which one do you want? Let's go with Hillary on Bernie.
This is all the memes wrapped up into one is the way that she
does what she's going after with Bernie does it I
am concerned that some of his ideas just won't work because
the numbers don't add numbers. Others won't even pass Congress
or they rely on Republican governors suddenly having a
conversion experience and becoming progressives. Well, in
a number of important areas, he doesn't have a plan at all.
That's it all summarised. So let's see how John would put it.
I am concerned that some of his ideas just won't work because
the numbers don't add up. Others won't even pass Congress or they
rely on Republican governors suddenly having a conversion
experience and becoming progressives. Well, in a number
of important areas, he doesn't have a plan.
Okay, it's I think you've played it out now.
No, yeah, yeah.
You gotta do more production than more production, not just
slowing it down. You gotta do more slow. I
keep it short. Short, even more, until you mentioned this on the
Face the Nation show. I'm gonna continue to do this. Okay.
Let me say, Oh, I have
I got a an interesting little double clip. This both happen
one after the other on ABC News to anti air travel. I don't know
what's going on. I always find it suspicious when they do an
anti air travel story. And the first one. Actually, both of
these are like so inane. Why are they doing these as national
news? I don't know. This first one is the Hawaii turnaround.
Next this evening to a passenger jet suddenly turning around
during a flight from Hawaii to San Francisco. Because of
concerns over fuel halfway across the Pacific Ocean. Here's
ABCs David Kerley
this United triple seven forced to return to Honolulu United
724. For the 264 passengers on board, it was a four hour flight
that ended right where it started. The flight took off or
San Francisco Sunday, but about two hours out the pilots realise
they're in a condition called overborne using more fuel than
expected, so they decide to turn around. Blame the weatherman
they tell the passengers and stronger headwinds,
we do know to a great extent what those winds are going to be
but that is a long stretch of water. And there's no weather
stations out there.
airlines don't like to top off the tanks the extra weight
reduces efficiency, but there are specific requirements of how
much reserve fuel has to be in those tanks. When a jet lands a
turnaround like this, David is very rare. Ah
Is this really national news? Is it I'm asking you? Do you think
this is national news?
No, I don't think it's national news. I'm trying first of all, I
as an airman I have never encountered the term overborne
so it's a
very suspicious story that it exists. The next one which ran
right afterwards is like a one two punch against the airlines
with this story which was not definitely not national news,
but it was a couple of things or production aspects of the first
one they had the guys on the country. They never even had
that he has you notice because we play those all the time.
Generally speaking, they never do that on national news. I
mean, if you remember that, when they made the Ecuadorian plane
or whatever it was a Cuban flight go down and land
somewhere. Yeah, that's now here's the second one which is
another one with crazy videos. Oh, hold on second.
Crazy video I don't see anything with crazy
air travel another weird Oh, yes, no, I'm just saying this
crazy mind mistype
it and also this evening new images of an American Airlines
pilot arrested for being under the influence. These new
surveillance images obtained by ABC news from the Detroit
Metropolitan airport, showing him arriving at the airport then
going through security. Later we see him under arrest just before
his flight was to take off being escorted away in handcuffs.
Authorities say he failed to breathalyser tests. To
show the guy walking into the airport, fine, he's not spared.
Comic drunk walking in. And then he's show show another video of
him walking in and they show a video of him walking out with
handcuffs on. What is the point of this story?
Well, there's a quote the correlation between the two is
automated flight without pilots, because clearly they are not
managing the aircraft properly if they overborne so much that
they lost an hour of fuel, which is critical for a whole bunch of
reasons. I'm gonna look into that story. I want to understand
overburden, I mean, it implies you burn too much. But how do
you do that? You know, more than
you expect. You're going into a headwind or something. Next
thing you know, you're burning and burning. Yeah. Okay, so I
just found both these stories to be a little weird that they were
they were presented and the way they appeared.
Well stay on it, John, stay on, stain on the President, for as
much crap as I give him for sure. He says something really
good the other day to a bunch of millennials. Nonetheless, I've
heard
some college campuses where they don't want to have a guest
speaker who, you know, is too conservative. Or they don't want
to read a book, if it has language that is offensive to
African Americans, or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards
women. And, you know, I gotta tell you, I don't agree with
that either. I don't agree that you when you become students at
colleges have to be coddled and protected from different points
of view. Anybody who comes to speak to you, and you disagree
with, you should have an argument with them. But you
shouldn't silence them by saying you can't come because, you
know, my sense that I'm too sensitive to hear what you have
to say. That's not That's not the way we learn either.
Now, what I noticed about this clip, was there was no laughing
No cheering, just silence. I think they were flabbergasted.
What we were doing it for you, Obama. You've been giving us
signals to do this for you. And now you're scolding us. Anything
I can think of? And then grumbling after the thing event
was over saying the under your breath, asshole. Guy.
Exactly. All right. I'm calling it man boots. It's time to go.
Okay, I'm good. Okay, because I got a couple things I got a
little into show duties to roll out want to make sure we get all
that. So thank you all very much for your courage and your
passion love and light to Merle Haggard. And that's all I do.
Now when someone dies. I just say love and light. I don't even
say for who just said
that's a good thing. Love and Light. And the next event for me
will be the train ride up to Sacramento is train museum. Oh,
very nice. fun party on the California Zephyr very nice.
And for me, I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing.
It doing what you do. We always try to do reading legislation.
I could be doing worse. Thank you for your support. Remember
us a divorce.org/na for a show coming up on Sunday. That will
be episode 815. Until then, coming to you from FEMA Region
six in the skyscraper, the crackpot condo in downtown
Austin Tejas, FEMA Region six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
every northern Silicon Valley where the weather's a little
more to my liking. John C. Dvorak will
return on Sunday with more media deconstruction right here. Adios
momos
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