Last minute Charlie works for me. Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
Third December 25 2014. time you get my nation media
assassination episode 681
This is no agenda
celebrating another Bogota holiday season from FEMA Region
six in the capital. The drone Star State Austin, Texas in the
morning everybody. I'm Adam curry
is the king of sales. It's not Bogut of Silicon Valley. I'm
John C. Dvorak. Kill
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sales sales. Yes. Wait, wait, wait, I have yesterday you know,
it's both good in the sense that we this is another you know, I
had to care that I had those up north and I shouldn't bring them
back.
I brought mine I brought mine. And I brought Well, I brought my
little kid.
Chris Christmas slave.
Yes. Merry Christmas to you, John.
Well, Merry Christmas. Do you add a merry christmas doll of
ships? That subs in the water. And the bays and bottles out
there?
This is a although it is a regular sequentially numbered.
Episode.
This is yes. Did on the math.
I believe me I checked three times. You did very easy to to
mess this up. This is a special episode that we are are
producing for Christmas. Why are we doing this again?
Well, they're doing this so we don't have to work on Christmas,
which falls on one of our show days. Yes. And, and the thing
and of course I promote this. Commonly every year I bitch and
moan about it, actually,
but no one's listening. And
there is nobody out there. So you might as well just do this.
We do a show we did this show earlier. And the pre Christmas.
And actually we did this last Christmas.
Yeah, yeah, we did. We did. We did. And we thought
about maybe doing, you know, a clip show or sound effects show
or all these different things. We could have demo, maybe just a
little ketchup. For people that are new listeners that know
about the show they'd like to show they enjoy the show. But
they may have missed some of the memes or some of the history and
they don't really want to go back and listen to 600 shows. Do
we
also want also want to explain a bit of what how the show was put
together? Yeah, I
think so we can do that. I
mean, I put together a number of I just have I saw you came up
with clips, which is good. And of course I haven't heard any
seminal clips. I think they're seminal. They're old. Most of
them. Some of them are that a couple years. But some of them
are seven or seven years old. Six Mosley and I couple things.
Are these clips that you have saved that you go back into the
archives and listen to shows
all the clips. Yeah, I save them. I also put it together
little files of little evergreen clips that I apparently had put
together. I forgot about this until I started digging around.
little clips of things that annoyed me. Oh, okay, so I put
them in. And I ended it gave me a I now have kind of a story to
tell about some of the other show developed in a different
way than our people out there who want to know about the show
in the background, you go dig up show 200.1 and probably even
better is 2.2, which has 200.1 in it, right. And it gives us
the story of no agenda. But when you when you look at it for as a
as a historian mining, data mining it, some of the origins
are different than are in 200.1 to 2.2. And including a clip I
have here which I'll tease, which is I believe the origins
of the show, the modern show not to show that we first started,
the show we started was you and I talking to to develop a show
it's it's almost as though the early shows which are dreadful
to be honest about and I would not advise anyone to listen.
Someone tweeted the other day, they were listening to the daily
source code from everything was July 7. What year we start
2008 2007 embedded seven I think it was it was a very old daily
source code. And on that daily source code, I was talking about
reading Confessions of an economic hitman, which was a
recommendation from you, which I'd forgotten that you would
recommend that I read that book and I think that is where a lot
of our initial conversations came from before we even started
the show.
Could be I do know that the Economic Hitman is we do have
sacred texts we mentioned yes each other Yes. And Confessions
of an economic hitman come to mind and also we actually never
put together a list But I also think the movie or the series TV
series 13 episodes that Rubicon is seminal legacy of ashes,
Legacy of ashes and also the book, the family of secrets. The
I think that is a very important book to relate your book. And we
probably should put do I think the no agenda book club has most
of these books listed that we've talked about over the years? I'm
currently reading a book called The Hindus, which is the one
that has been banned in India. Oh, really? Yeah. It's a very
long book that is a very long book by a very famous historian.
Wendy, I can't remember her last name, you can look it up while
I'm talking. And she wrote this, she started wondering, which is
the book about the history of Hinduism and the Hindu people.
And then it became this huge book because she got she fell
into a rabbit hole when the genres are Wendy donnager. She's
very famous now she's hated. She used to be considered one of the
great you know, I think Westerners who really understood
India, which she did, they got everybody pissed off. And by the
way, this book is, I would recommend Yeah, Kindle or
anything, this book is such a, she is such a good writer. It
just she just drags you right through this the text in a
breezy fast paced manners very modern. But she apparently what
she did is decided to take a look at the Hindu people from
the perspective of all the Hindus until now, only the
Brahmins you got to tell the story. And the Brahmins they are
putting up with this Nether where she's talking to
untouchables about their past history, how they came about and
all the rest of it. And this is not acceptable to the Brahmins
who run India. So they banned the book in India,
of course, they say them.
Well, actually, they're buying up coffees and doing probably
just that. Whatever the case is, this is a tremendous book.
I mean, I'm no agenda book. club.com is pretty current. Here
are some of the titles. The next war Wesley Clark, the Republic
of imagination, which we discussed recently. We have, oh,
a parent's guide to high functioning autism spectrum
disorder. I don't know what that is doing on the list. They have
Sinclair Lewis. It can't happen here. Of course, excellent life
and death and Shanghai. Family of secrets. Smedley Butler's
book, I don't know, but I'm really currently I'm reading.
I'm reading a couple. I'm reading obviously, Babbitt,
which is good. I'm also reading the tongue kindled the Unabomber
manifesto and other essays by Theodore Kaczynski, ma times,
you're gonna read that, while the other it's the other. You
know, funny enough. This is probably my third time and every
single time I go through it, there's a little thing that I
go. But it's the other essays that I was interested in. Oh,
and they're, they're quite good. I don't think there's really any
of that.
That was that was it that he got caught? But what do you like
most writers know that your writing is fairly distinctive by
his brother recommend his brother busted him because he
said, Wait a minute.
I'm using ourselves a failure I'm using ourselves to death is
on our list. As a couple of I think I think we already covered
the key ones.
I do have a few clips to play. And we can then we can wander
off in any direction we want to since this is kind of a show
just for fun. Okay, well, we're not going to do a lot of news,
deconstruction in this particular show. We did when we
started doing the show, it was like I look back on these as
tried to peel trying to get used to working together more than
anything else. And I found that we were both quite offensive to
each other most of the time it throughout. I think the first
two or three years, it's a miracle that this show is as
good as it is at this point.
It's a miracle. We even do the show I want to as you will point
out many times a show 100. I said, Now let's stop doing this.
It's another 100 episodes is good, man. That's a good run.
You were thinking about it again in the 200 show but did dead
didn't get as far but the 100 is when you went I actually should
dig that up. We look for the formative clips in there. But it
wasn't that interesting. We haven't let me look at this
list. I got these three. Here's one. Now here's an example of z
i wasn't you and I have always told people this that people in
you are still European at the time. And one night you were
living in London. And we were doing the show and I ended
pacing of the show because there was a lag that was
but we also have to recognize the the improvement of
technology. What I'd like to talk about the late But
technology when we first started was we didn't have nearly any of
this. I think I had barely had broadband where I was living at
the time. So we did it. We had a huge,
good. Well, I mean, it sounds now but it's still sounded good.
Do you have a clip I can listen to? Yeah, I want you to here's
what here's, I just want to give a couple of examples of
misinterpreting each other. And I was always afraid I was easily
offended. Because I even though I did, I broke out of it pretty
quickly, because I knew that your type of your pacing and
your speech was going to have a lot of Dutch influence, which
which, which can sound
rude and rude and
sarcastic when is not correct. That is that you have to deal
with that and is but you can't and you normally have a visceral
response to it. And here's a visual good example. I want you
to play food cut down. Now that this was from about 2009 Okay,
I'm reminded of a story. So as you know, in California, a lot
of us eat a lot of hot chilies, although not necessarily as much
as some of us do, who are really kind of addicted to the chili
and and I'm quite comfortable with the hottest imaginable
food. He says some places in India has served food that is
excruciating, and maybe too much for me. So I'm in Brazil, but
you're
a professional. Let's just be honest. I mean, let's just call
a spade a spade. Doing what I need to point something else
out. In these in this period, I was also smoking marijuana all
the time. Yeah, and I think that
you constant references to Patricia I might add. Oh,
really? Yes. Yeah, I didn't notice it until I started going
through what kind of references this is just bring her in as an
anecdotal bounce bounce back kind of thing. Patricia,
Patricia, that it wasn't you know, it was I didn't notice it
at the time, obviously. But I noticed it
the same way I refer to Mickey
Yeah. You're always doing this I guess. Now. And I just smacking
my lips. So he but here's the thing about that, that clip that
which was I was fuck is this guy insulting me. Now, if you play
food, about the hot pepper challenge, this is the complete
clip. And this brings us into by playing the complete clip. This
brings me into the segue as to where I'll play myself being
more dickish but I'll play I'm going to clip after this is
going to introduce modern no agenda. Okay, here's what here's
what really happened. On the on the hot food incident. I'm
reminded of a story says you know, in California a lot of us
eat a lot of hot chilies. And although not necessarily as much
as some of us do, who are really kind of addicted to the chili.
And and I'm quite comfortable with the hottest imaginable food
except some places in India has served food that is
excruciating, and maybe too much for me. So I'm in Brazil, but
you're a professional. Let's just be honest. I mean, let's
just call a spade a spade.
Doing what your professional foodie. Yeah. I'm a foodie.
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, so I'm, by the way, the thing about
Chili's for people out there who wants it wants the big kick.
Well, I mean, besides the fact you get a little bit. But you
can see what happened there. You interrupted in just throw in
this. Just call a spade a spade thing. And it was like about
something else. But it became awkward. And it took me forever
to get used to this.
And while that clip was playing, there's a book and I'm trying to
find it here in the bookcase. That is about the Dutch speaking
English specifically. This is yeah, this is well known that
when Dutch people, even if they're English, it's it's not
even the grammar. It's just the it's the intonation is the
pacing. It's the cadence. Yeah. And I have to tell you,
sometimes Mickey will say something. And I'd be like, ah,
it still hit me for a minute I
do well, you can not let it hit you. It does hit you. But you
just have to, which is the problem with it. I brought this
up on the show numerous times about the Scandinavian, the
Nordics and the and Dutch and most of these, this whole area
has this problem. And it's and I tried to explain it to people
when you get if you're gonna go travel in these areas, people
are just very honest, everyone's honest. They don't have they
don't really it's not that much sarcasm. And they're honest. And
when they say what they when they say something they mean it
they're not being sarcastic when they say they want to go to bed
with you.
But that's not actually sex. They just mean to go to bed to
sleep.
They want sex, but it's not ever received properly because it's
so it's so flat and bland, blunt, blunt.
I think lunch
that you think this is this is what is she? What is she some
sort of what is she trying to tell me? You get you're offended
by it. Because it sounds like the person is being sarcastic
or, or if you even ask them to go to bed and they would say
yes, I'd like to go to bed with you this point
in my 50th year, I'm not too picky.
Well, I'm just telling people that especially the younger guys
who go there, just believe them you know, then just don't take,
don't pay any attention to the cadence. This brings me now
finally understanding what you were talking about when you were
being sarcastic about Let's call a spade a spade I know why even
threw that in but you did.
That must have been that must have been from me listening to
something else, I get very influenced by other people, some
whatever it
was, I snapped out of it really quickly. But now I here's an
example of me, you know, the Big Shot trying to get? I don't
know, I listen to this clip, but the half dozen times going? What
is the point of this clip? The way I was trying to I had I
guess something to say you were you had a point to make. And you
weren't gonna let me finish and I wasn't gonna let you finish.
And it's going back and forth and back and forth. And then you
finished with a piece of information that it indeed would
be good. You knew I didn't have this information. And you kept
trying to stop me but I wouldn't. I would was
relentless. And you get you throughout the piece of
information. And this, I believe is the Genesis Okay, of the
modern no agenda show that that has become so popular. And what
we do. And the joke of it is when you hear the beginning of
the origins of no agenda, the little comment that you make is
we don't talk about the news on no agenda.
You know, we don't usually comment on new stories. You
know, the story that's been whipping around the blogosphere,
about the Ri a apparently some lawyer in a court in the court
case, stated that making a copy of a CD. That would,
by the way, this is my this is my PC Magazine column for this
week, by the way.
Well, let me just see. Let me just see if we're talking about
the same thing.
Yeah, we're talking about the idea that if you rip me now,
wait, stop.
No, stop, John. No, no, I'm not doing my research. Listen to
this. Listen to this. It turns out that the this this started
in a Washington Post article written by a guy named Fisher,
I believe, I know, I know, I refer to this article. And then
Steve wells strim at the Business Week, and a few other
guys that come out and said, has his ball. No.
This doesn't No, no, no, you're missing it. You're gonna listen
to me. Now. Let me finish this. Let me finish the sentence. He
only he only cited half of the quote, the quote that the person
from the RIA made was, if you rip a CD, put it on your hard
drive in a shared folder. That would be deemed illegal. And he
chose not to quote that part in the article that you didn't
know.
Well, okay.
But that's, that's a big deal.
They have been skirting they have that's, that's right there.
It was the start of concern.
But this is because, well, this, there's a couple of factors one,
you, I'm sure you will also there was when I was at pod
show, were you working at poncho at the time? You smack
your lips? Yes.
You probably thought I was bimbo? To some degree,
I don't know. Maybe it's hard to say whatever the case was. That
was an awkward situation you had done. That was where you and I
think it triggered a lot. Because I think that's where you
said, you know, it's not that difficult to just get the full
quote. It's not that difficult to go read the legislation is
not that difficult. I did all the stuff that nobody else was
doing right? More than I was, that's for sure. And I know they
got me doing the same way we've co developed I believe co
developed the no agenda thought process,
which really you need more than one person to pull it off.
Right? Because you have it because both of us me more than
you probably tend to get suckered a little bit by mass
media because I'm actually watching more of them. You're
watching junk. Or deep news. You either watch junk junk junk,
which is I'm talking to reality TV, or deep news. I watch deep
news, but I watch mainstream media which is very I'm very so
I'm more susceptible To the messaging then you are, is the
messaging in junk TV is? Yeah, you know, it's pretty low. And
to me,
it's
his it's like Maury Povich messaging in there. Yeah. But
it's who Kia, he's not really affecting the politics.
I really don't watch TV I have TV on and it's either CNN or C
span, those are the two, I just find the most valuable. And
really the funniest. The C span is just funny. He's funny people
show up. And it's all the people who are also on C span, but then
they show up with broth. And it's just funny. And now I'm
only trying to find out who the sources are or people say or the
numbers. And it was around this period, when we were talking
about on the show when the the Lisbon Treaty was being voted on
voted down by the Netherlands and
all over the Lisbon Treaty, and you started reading it and what
did I think this particular incident? I'm believing
especially because of the irony of your first comment, we don't
talk about the news. Now, all we talk about is now we're not
we're doing deconstructions of ourselves, is a deconstruction
of the show. Yeah, it's just kind of what the theme of this
show is. But we this all we do is we deconstruct news, talk
about news, look at news, and we and then analyze it to get our
thesis, which is that the news is manipulated and controlled by
forces that aren't healthy to the public at large, right.
That's what we do all the time. So this clip marked the change
from where you don't talk much about the news, but
Right. But meanwhile, here's something I found that was
manipulated in the news.
Yes. And that was, I believe, is the genesis of the entire show.
And especially with interrupting, and
with a really crappy sound. I'm sorry, that doesn't sound good
at all. It sounds horrible,
but doesn't sound great. But it sounds horrible. If you compare
it to other podcasts at the time, and it's old. Yeah. Before
we had all this
for one 2008 Or one four was a January 4.
I think it was January 4 2008. Yeah, we've just begun. That was
early on. Or maybe there's for one, I don't know. Whatever it
was, it was. That was the I think a moment that was
important.
It was also probably the moment that I realized that I could
impress you with some knowledge that I had. Being a bimbo. Yeah,
that's really all I, John. All they really
do is show you keeps the show to
make you laugh. That's all I try to make you laugh or impress you
with something and I get a laugh out of it. Yeah, that makes me
impressed by some of the good stuff. I mean, that was a good
piece. Yeah. Did you do that simple little thing. And we
could have actually, if I wasn't so stunned. I was like, stunned
You don't
sound that stunned, actually. Well,
I was I'm pretty cool.
You know yourself.
A, you know, he got me there.
I realized there's it's what's interesting about this show the
past as seven years into our eighth year, your situation has
pretty much been constant. My constant has been my situation
has been always in change.
Yes. Which is fine. It was it was just the situation is
constant, too. But
I think that I think it's good. I think it adds I feel
well, I mean, yeah. Now that back to that Washington Post
thing, if the show was being done today, and we had it would
have that would have played out differently, you would have just
said the whole thing I wouldn't have interrupt. So well, I wrote
about this. What did you find out? Because I know you'd have
something and you'd have this little thing about the shared
folders, then we'd go deeper from there, because at that
point, I would have instead of being stunned, I would have
thought about it and said that's not make sense to me. And I
would have explained why the quote was missed. Why was
misquoted wasn't done. I bet looking back on it. I don't
believe it was done on purpose. I believe that like every other
piece of journalism we get today from people that don't know what
they're talking about. They're just professional journalists.
He didn't see the importance of that little piece. He was just
being tight. He was. So what, yeah, he's to him to the writer.
He was thinking, so what shared folder where we as people
somewhat familiar with the technology to actually more than
somewhat, we would have said that's very important, it say,
and he left it out, but he is because I would argue this
because he didn't know and he just left it out because it was
convenient to do so. And it was or even an editor could have
taken it out, which is very common. And you know, it's just,
it's not important. Boom, off it goes.
What I'm realizing here If you watch any podcast tube, in fact,
I'd say it's probably more prevalent in podcasts where
multiple people are talking, but certainly in almost every
interview you see or hear in mainstream, people are listening
to reply, not listening to comprehend and understand. And
what I think I've certainly learned, is to listen to
understand what you're saying, not thinking of the next thing I
can say, or how can I jump or pile jump is what I call it is
very hard. It's very, very hard to listen to what someone is
trying to say, not how am I going to reply to this?
Well, in a normal conversation, I think and you get the I think
you program yourself for this. You have to listen mostly to
reply, because you're in a conversation and the skill of
being able to listen to comprehend, and then
thoughtfully reply, which takes time you have to stop, you can't
get into a nice back and forth. And you can't be a quick witted
comic. By doing that, you have to think about what they said.
If that's the end, you might not have anything to say in return,
because you just have to mull it over. I know that's why I think
we discover so much stuff in post, when I get my clip from a
TV show or something and I put it on the recorder, and then I
bring it into the computer to edit it. I'm now I've got
nothing to do but listen to this thing carefully, because I'm
trying to edit it. And then I'll hear things and then I played on
the show and you will hear something else. Right? Right.
Right, right. That's why I can you know, catch these little
nuances once in a while. Which
brings me to what we are doing is an art that I think is going
away, but maybe maybe it will have a resurgence is purely
listening. Everybody seems to find it incredibly important to
have video along when we've talked about this before, but
it's good to bring it up again. Yes. Are we we presume our
audience is not able to do anything else while they're
listening to us and quite Wow, it's like three hours you know,
you it's hard to do that if just sitting down doing nothing
unless you're driving commuting to exercise exercising or hard
housework, housework gardening, stuff that you can kind of do on
autopilot. Right? And it's important that that it is no one
is like I've never even seen your studio, there's no pictures
of my studio. There's no I want everyone to have their own
visualization. And I think everyone has their own visuals
like a book, you put it together and and that is part of the art
that we're both schooled in. I am a Connecticut School of
broadcasting graduate, I'll point out I am great, honorary,
the one honorary degree I got well, I
did take broadcasting in college.
That's why I went to college, I dropped out of bed for three
months.
And I have and then went to the Paul Allen School of
broadcasting where I learned my video skills called Tech Tech
TV. Right? It's the same thing. And but we have we both knew or
know and we appreciate and I think a lot of other people do
even though they're doing the video side of it, the important
that greatness of audio.
Communication. Yes. And it's
you know, people get like you said they drive in their car,
they can listen to it. And people talk about how they're,
you know, laughing people think they're nuts, because you're
laughing at something we said in the middle of a drive.
And with that comes we're also very, very good at silence. And
I love that so much, we can have a moment of complete silence.
And it's, like half a second longer than comfortable. And I
know people like lag the people like what, what and of course,
we use noise gates to get all sorts of part of our sound which
is designed and we've been working on that for we're
finally at a place where I'm pretty happy. And it's so it's
it's dead. I mean, it's all digital. So which is zero,
there's no signal coming out. 0000 So it's not even haste if
you're listening to it.
Yeah, I missed the hiss. Really? Well. I don't know. It says it's
like during the switchover from vinyl to CD. You know, all that
really changed. I mean, the fidelity actually went up even
though it got screechie because of some filtering issues that
were a problem it turned out and then the hiss was all gone and
the hiss was actually the problem with vinyl it was if you
played us virgin record this never been played before. Yeah,
it was minimal but then after you played it and played it and
played it, it was all hiss and sentimental. Well The point is,
is that we've chosen and people every once awhile, you should do
video
with that exact voice.
Pretty much. You could hear it in an email. And we've decided
we're never going to do it. And there's things people will
reiterate this for the listeners and maybe only been listening
for a year. Let's say, we don't do video are never going to do
video. There's no reason to do video, this is much better
format for what we're trying to do get people to listen, without
looking at some video image, which is distracting in itself.
And what's the point? You have two guys with? Generally
speaking, if you look at these video podcasts, there's two
guys, many distractive looking you know, like some bug eyed
women, you know, that bug guide, and they're looking at the
thing. hell's wrong with her? It's right, you're thinking
instead of listening to headphones on big cans, giant
cans and a big ol mic covering your whole face. It's like, wow,
this is not entertainment. Yeah, if you're going to do video,
I've actually said this on Leo's show. And Leo's dropped, dropped
the cans, that's for sure. But he still wears those little
buds. And he even though he started to he tried to go free
free form for a while without the buds I think because I think
he wasn't wearing him a few times, but but he still wears
them. Everybody used to wear cans, I got everyone off that
because I think free form is the way to do it. You don't need to
be monitoring you don't. The only reason you do that is if
you in the olden days, you can really make your voice sound
really good by doing
well, thank you, I have to monitor everything because and
some of this went wrong early, I feel it went wrong with podcast.
Because of the lack of technology. For real time.
Recording and producing, the only way you could really do
that is to buy a bunch of band gear is what I'll call it,
there's still not really a setup. Certainly not an analog
setup, that is meant specifically for the way
podcasts are produced. Then you need processing on the voice,
which has compressor limiters do some EQ, you need your mix minus
like a fullback. If you're using Skype, you need an end signal
processing, which again for me is another compressor limiter to
create of nice flow fluid sound because that's how it's done. If
you listen to radio, that's how it's done. But never no one
really ever created the right gear. And I really didn't pay
attention to it, I always wanted to have it in the laptop be as
small as possible, gave up on that eventually, and just went
screw it here's got my big outboard gear which of course
became problematic we're going on the road. But because of that
people would just record in GarageBand or Audacity or
whatever, and then do everything after the fact. And that's it
you can't A is you're not create here is not a great way to
create a product. And this way, all the mixes, everything is
done in real time. Which is what I've learned to do since I was
14.
And we don't have to edit, right, you don't want to edit.
And you don't you have to do all because people are doing it.
It's horrible. Well, even
in video, it's better if you don't add. I mean, the reason
these some of this gear was created is for like the
Tricaster. And these things. They're all done in real time.
Yes, correct. Yeah, you want to do in real time you get
everything set up in advance. You roll the credits, you do all
this stuff in real time. And then when the show is done, it's
done. It's done. It's just ready to ship out. You don't have to
go, which send it to an edit. Remember,
our data show and someone say we got to send it to post to fix
this or that people would groan like really? We got to go to
post with this. Yeah, it's tedious. But I think it's also
you do a poster which I just never could figure out why
you just don't get a good product and I think the only
true only way to do it is to do it live have someone has to have
headphones on and whichever good reference headphones to be able
to hear what is going to be Yeah, no show right your
headphones. Because this is the way people are going to listen
to it is on headphones or if you don't
yeah, there's stuff coming through your headphones that you
can't be playing in the studio. Anyway, you get all the sound
effects, you get the sound effects. But anyway, I always
tell people we're never going to do a video because it's it's
just dumb. I think it's dumb, dumb.
We're not going to do it together.
Just you know you're producing the news and here's bill and you
know Cairo and he said he's got to play some video that he he's
produced over the last few days and you're just inserted Yeah,
okay, that's but that's not what these guys are doing. They just
put a couple of some cans on their head big microphone in
front of their face. And it was lousy camera. You know, and
they're in their bedroom. It's just it's like, come on, this is
dumb. So, but people oh, you should do that you can do this.
You can add bullcrap. The other thing is we don't have guests.
And I can I have a rant I give the rant on the show, I give the
rant. And if people ask me on the street, at the grocery
store, anywhere, I will give the rant. We don't have guests,
we're never going to have guests. There's no reason to
have guests. If we have a clip of someone, you know that we
want to interview somebody on the side, you've done this a
couple of times, and pull a clip from the interview that was
interesting, and then refer to the interview that people go
listen to that. That's different. It's not like that's
not a guest. And in it, and people keep saying to me, why
don't you do cranky geeks again. And I always have to tell them
that the problem with any of these shows, and I think this,
this happens, the Leo's operation and other places, is
booking guests is horrible. They don't show up. They beg you to
come on the show, but then they can't do that date. In fact,
they can never do Wednesday turns out and then they're you
know, people are begging you to come on they're duds people come
on. They say nothing. They won't say anything. They're gonna
complete duds. It just and it's a nightmare. It's typically
not entertaining, the way that is solved in mainstream of
everything from Wolf Blitzer to the Tonight Show is the pre
interview than the pre interview was a producer who sits down
with you, it starts on the phone first. With the Booker, they're
going to find out and you can pretty much tell immediately
what they really want you to talk about, because they'll kind
of force that issue.
Well, actually, I've worked with the a lot of these operations,
and I will. I'm used to this, and you're right is the booker
who calls first and they go can you do Thursday's Show? We're
gonna be talking about this and that. And I will say when I was
doing a lot of CNBC stuff I was I will say, What side do you
want me to say?
And they'll tell you, yes. Yeah. Want you to be against it? Yeah.
Can
you be against it? Yeah. creating, creating controversy I
have. So people don't think I'm just a wishy washy, you know,
chameleon, you fly, you slipped off. I've often said, No, I
can't do that. I can't take that site, because that site is so
wrong. I can't do it. And there's Oh, okay. And now either
will bump me they'll drop it completely, because they already
have somebody who wants to be the pro side and go find
somebody else. They'll do that. That has happened a number of
times. And if you're
watching or listening to any type of interview, you can often
hear the interviewer or the host prompting the guest about a
question that was the pre interview or told the host for
the interviewer. This is a funny story, or this is the one you
want to hit. You want to talk about this. And then you'll hear
someone say, Yeah, talk about that trip you made. Yeah, like
they talked about it before. And of course it never comes out
fresh which is mind blowing, iterate, we people sometimes
don't still don't believe it when I say is we do not talk
outside of the show. Right? Yeah, we always do Portsmouth
Portland. So why don't we do a post mortem of the show? So
we'll say because we have stuff to do we have art to choose we
have a title to come up with. We have to check credits. And we
talk about crap, but very
commercially, gossip totally
gossip. Yeah, just gossip. And we don't no one knows what we're
coming up. I didn't like this show. I have no idea what your
clips are. It's I'm also I want to hear you get to it. I'm not
interested in knowing everything. Which I think is
well I will tell another boring anecdote about my life. When I
had to know that my big telecom book which is a huge book that
so like it was an instant bestseller it was an instant
bestseller. When I got it they put me on a radio book tour.
Mostly radio station I did some TV too but not not much. Mostly
radio. And so I went from radio to and I learned a lot I you
know, and I knew enough about radio and I'd been doing it on
and off. But I didn't realize I learned a lot this time because
I went from station to station to station and never fully
comprehended how variant these places are right? There are no
two rigs the same everybody's got different mics, different
setups, different size studios, different gear in the in the
control room, different ways of doing it. And it was just
everything combined. And that's when I when I was doing this by
the way, that's when I decided to work on going freeform which
is no no headphones at all. And just try to work the mic from
experience because of a show I did in Vancouver, Canada was at
the bill good show. And he was a talk show guy and he said Are
you down and I'm looking around for the headphones, because I've
been using them all along. So I could modulate my voice a little
bit now. And there was none. And I looked Bill didn't have any
on. And he was just as good to Mike was there and he was there.
And I was there. And we did the show. And it was fine. And I
thought that was a kind of a freedom thing. And without
being, you know, just without being tied down to this stuff on
your ears. And when do which turns out by the way to be bad
for your ears, or my headphones? Yeah, hell yeah. And those
little buds are worse.
So here's an experiment, it's something I want to do, you
won't be able to notice much of this, because the reason we
started with noise gates, was because you didn't wear
headphones, and I would hear my voice coming back, even though
it was soft, it would come back through the microphone. And when
you have a noise gate, you can set a level, then you have to
really be modulating loudly enough. So that stuff will just
not come through. So I'm turning off the noise gates for a moment
here. And so now I hear all kinds of hiss.
While you hear the background, my studio is noisy, and here's
the reason. So it's mine, I have a computer that has a fan, I can
hear it. And the fang starts up about halfway through the
podcast, because it cannot start to warm up. I have a giant
window, a big window overlooking the San Francisco Bay, that is
double insulated, but it is still noise coming through and
you can maybe hear the train siren,
you can hear me actually breathing. And you can hear me
smacking because I'm chomping on a licorice because I have a
little tickle in my throat.
And I can also occasionally I do like to open the window because
it gets hot in here. Because we're in California, we don't
have air conditioning, we should just make more noise. And that
would come through,
you know, I bet you people are gonna say I liked it a lot
better with that noise gate, leave that off.
Well, it has more atmosphere. Now that's another thing to
consider that when we talk about this, and this is like maybe a
little too inside baseball for a lot of people. But there's
certain kinds of sounds that different people enjoy. Now Adam
is the engineer of this podcast, he is responsible for the sound
in quotes of the show, because he uses all kinds of fancy
filters and gear and then preamp software versions of preamps
like the NIV and all these other things that makes this very
distinctive sounding podcast. NPR has a very interesting sound
that is and on NPR, you had to produce a dead sound, which is a
generally gotten through a condenser mic in a dead room.
The room has no ambience at all
these are expensive rooms to build. Yeah,
I was always thinking I could do what I could turn this into a
room like that by putting panels over the windows that are far
slanted, slanted, slanted. And there's a lot of work involved
and it makes it gives a dead ambient free sound that is that
you can go from show to show to show and they'll have the sound
because they've all it's kind of deemed as the NPR sound is the
sound dead. I'd never liked that sound. I always thought this
sounded a dead baby. Its distinctive, it's very
distinctive when it's really dead. But it's the ambient more
natural sound to me is more modern. Much like the modern
announcers or announcing voice or, or voices like ours, mine
more than yours in this case. It's not. It's not a trained
voice. Right? So you don't have a guy talking like this all the
time. And Noel, Adam, what are you doing now?
Well, John, let me tell you exactly what I'm doing right now
as I puke into the microphone.
And that, to me is a much more modern sound. And now what would
Adams done is he's taken the the modernists of that and then he's
given it a kind of 50s 60s bigs radio stations,
a little grungy,
grungy, slightly grungy, actually very grungy,
but this is that is our sound and that's the
sound is the sound, it's distinctive. It's almost like
writing styles as noticeable
as like Phil, you know, Phil Spector had his style, you know,
this is our style
podcast these cancers, it's not as though there's not not a lot
of thought that goes into this. There's in fact, a lot of
thought that goes just
there's one other thing that I need to mention about the
processing, when you have clips when you have jingles or when
you have things that are various levels and, and beyond just a
sound by itself. When you have a certainly a compressor, but the
combination compressor limiter, you can make it more an overall
kind of equal sound even though I can still ride everything. So
I start the sleigh bells and I can ride it down if I want but
you can talk over this and you'll Be able to punch through
just because of the way everything is set up no matter
how loud I have it. So you're never going to have a situation
where if something's really too loud, blows people's eardrums
out, which was a big complaint in the beginning of podcasting,
where people couldn't hear it, or they'd be turn up the volume
and then blow their eardrums out. So, anyway, maybe enough
about this app.
I think it is enough.
I have one clip that I brought one clip,
well, then you better save it because I got a bunch of clips
are gonna save it, you're gonna blow your clip. Okay. I'm gonna
blow your clip. Now.
I can I blow my clip on you? Yep. It's a clip we've talked
about. Let me see when this clip was created. This clip is okay,
don't have this from 2010.
Okay, we have a lot of clips in 2010.
And we've talked about this clip many times. And we always say,
you know, one of these days I'm gonna dig that clip up and play
it. Do you know clip I'm talking about?
Is it the Feinstein clip? That's the one what
is the likelihood of another terrorist attempted attack on
the US homeland in the next three to six months? high or
low?
Director Blair?
An attempted attack the priority is certain I would say I would
agree with Mr. Molar. Agree. General Burgess. Yes, ma'am. I
agree.
2010
how's that coming in her head is gone. attempted attack or attack
on the homeland?
In the next six months? Everyone agreed? Nobody is
ever except us. Even mentioned stuff like this?
Well, the conspiracy I've changed over time.
Oh, yeah. I think God lives to prove it.
So I'll tell you how I've changed. The the conspiracy
theorist is in me, which I still have. This is a plot the they're
all in it really. I have enough knowledge of how it works and
how certainly broadcast networks and you know, things that happen
at the top and how policy is set and how every people go along.
And we don't do that here. That this is just this is just not
what they do. Which is not what they do anymore. They don't
care. They You mean they people who work in broadcast networks
and news. They don't care. They're just trying to get the
thing. blonder. The next thing trying to get a job. It's a good
yeah, it's a gig. It's a gig.
Yeah, it's a gig nicely. You don't need to make waves you
don't need to do a lot. Now, that doesn't mean that we're the
greatest thing in the world. There's a couple of things. I
just grabbed a few random clips of stories that we never
followed up on. Okay, well, this is just kind of like I don't
even get to, oh my god, I forgot all about that. And I couldn't,
by the way, put together a 10 hour show of that. We do a lot I
think it much better than anybody else to trying to stay
on the story until the story is is expired,
which usually happens when one of us will say to the other
Yeah, we're done. I'm pretty tired. Oh,
we've said that and it was it still comes out yesterday often,
but this one played a merry Kennedy gang clip. Remember
this? Oh yeah.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr's estranged wife Mary has been found dead at
her home in New York State. The cause of her death is unknown.
her former husband is the nephew of President John F. Kennedy and
son of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, who were both
assassinated in the 1960s. Our Washington correspondent
Jonathan Blake explains what's known about the death. Well,
police in Bedford, New York, which
is a few hours drive north of New York City have said that a
body was found at a home belonging to Robert F. Kennedy
Jr. and his former wife, Mary, earlier this afternoon. They
have not confirmed reports that it was Mary Kennedy and they
have not confirmed or denied reports that the body was found
in an apparent suicide. And one news organization, ABC News here
in the United States reporting that Mary Kennedy was found
hanged.
And I recall that this we go after a lot of murder slash
deaths slash suicides, because it's interesting if someone of
interest dies. The thing that you rarely hear or I never
really in any mainstream because of the the money involved, is
the pharmaceuticals that are involved in these types of
cases, whatever, but I think she was on like, Ambien or something
like a combination of things. I do recall us talking about that.
Yeah, it's just kind of died by the vine on the vine. That in
the end, you know, eventually. Now there's other stuff that We
used to do that. And we dropped the ball. I don't know who
dropped the ball, we just got sick of it, or we didn't want to
really go any further with it. Or we just didn't want to take
advantage of it. We've lost a lot of clips that are were
always hilarious to begin with, and then they never get played
again. And so I run into this one is an oldie but a goodie
played this clip. It's Obama ignorant. There are white folks,
and then they're ignorant motherfuckers like you? Yeah,
exactly. I mean, come on. And classic. We played that a lot.
Man. No, there's one of those clips that you could add to the
end of a clip if you wanted to produce it a little bit.
Yeah, we should also rarely do pre production. Very rarely do
we do pre pre production, and then a lot of our stuff. And
this is maybe a moment to talk about. The producers, which we
early on, we started calling our listeners producers, as we
noticed that really they were kind of producing
they were and I think a lot of people don't realize that that's
probably true for all shows.
Well, the catch is you were the trick is you have to be able to
manage the information that is incoming. That's sometimes very
difficult.
Yeah, because you get a lot of bad information. We've had a
couple of plants I would call them that came in and gave us
bad, bad dope. And I kind of fell for it for a while we tend
to it tends to fall out eventually. And then we could we
have good sense, I think the two of us, which is I think a huge
part of the show. The two of us have good common sense. When to
believe something and not to believe it's a news for nose,
nose for news. News for nose, I've come
a long way. I've come a long way towards really being rational.
And I hear people say this a lot. Then, you know, John has
moved towards your side, you've moved towards John side. I guess
crackpot buzzkill is that the kind of the dichotomy we never
really intended to be controversial all the times it's
not crossed talk or counterpoint or whatever it's called. No, it
wasn't the idea of red, blue Republican Democrat. And it was
two guys presenting, you know, to each other to each other.
Yeah, here. Here you go. What do you think of this? Oh, that's a
good conversation. Yeah. What do you think it is? Oh, that's
interesting. But did you notice it was this? Oh, oh, yeah. No, I
didn't notice that. I noticed that. And back in for something
new often we because we're on the news cycle, and it's a new
show. Even though we never talked about the news. We tend
to hit a lot on the same thing. Sometimes knowing the other guy
have you comment on this more than I do? Oh, I knew you were
gonna get that. I saw that on there. But I figured Johnny go
get the clips. Because we kind of know what our common
interests are and what one person likes more than I will do
the beauty shows. Yeah.
Did you did you do a lot more than just the beauty shows? But
yeah, do the
beauty shows and occasionally some things that are there's
what I would call the kind of dead money material like a
certain Obama speeches, I might actually pick up and start
recording segments of it with you thing, and then I'm going to
do that. And then I'm thinking well, he's going to expect me to
do that and I'll do it. But if I don't do it, it won't be any
loss to the show. Right? Generally speaking, whatever
either one of us does, rarely is it semi it's the show itself is
a whole pile of stuff that makes the show good. Not a single item
although there's usually at least two items in each show
that are rather revolutionary. Yeah, and I've learned
well, it's funny because well maybe I'd like to hear your
process I really don't know your process of the how you prepare
for the show. Maybe it's I don't actually I have no idea I mean,
do you take notes do you write stuff down and I
I've changed I used to write a lot down as to make prepared
commentary on annoyances generally see some of them just
like my I would be taking but the notes always would end up me
complaining about and I'll do it now. You go to the line and
there's a woman with all their bags is dirty old bags from
Trader Joe's and she's hanging everything up because she won't
pay 10 cents for a paper bag which is a scam by the way bags
used to be free that you know that 10 cents goes it goes right
to the store. It doesn't go to any fund. So it's bullcrap. You
can't have plastic bags, you can't do this and and you have
this these people that are they're not even as old as they
act in the lines moving slow and taking up a lot of time. I'm in
bandwidth and everything in between was a dig for a penny or
they are they can't, or they don't most credit card machine.
Here's, I'm sorry, I'm going off this tangent, you can slide the
card. Once the first transaction is put in the cash register. It
says please slide card eight and read it says slight slight
cardio
you can do it while before they're done by the card, you
punch
in all the numbers you put in everything you need to put in,
and then it's ready to go. So when she was she, he whoever it
is, rings up the last thing on the item and push the button,
you just you're done. But no, I You see somebody standing there
gape Giada, looking at them running through the groceries
and they pay the everything's out. And then they stand for
another 10 seconds in awe of the whole process. And then they put
their card in. And you have to wait, dude, and then they will
get it in, right? And then they can't see there's always the
blind person. They've got their glasses, and they're looking in
there up in the down with the glasses up and down, up and
down. And then they slide again. No, no, no, sir. Just slide
once. And they sliding and sliding and glasses up and down
and then it pushing, and then they push the wrong thing. It's
unbelievable. Okay, and so how do you make the writing notes on
this? Okay, so I stopped writing notes. What I pay now
paper paper notes. They keep a notebook with me.
And I would do this while watching TV. Oh, this is
idiotic. And I'd write something down this, you know, I gave up
on that. I tried to keep the show on my side of the show to
be even more performance. ad lib. Improv as it were than
ever. And what I do is I watch, if I don't have enough clips
that I will get a clip of me immediately if I see something
interesting. Which just you do, how would you do? How can I use
a recorder, I use hardware. I have a DVR was to do a two step
process. I have a DVR. I'm watching some television of some
sort. And I see something that I want to I think is a cool clip.
So I backup the DVR hit the record button, record that
segment turn it off. And I keep these like clips on the on the
DVR. And then on the night before the show. And you had to
do this early to the show. Because other otherwise like
this pilot clips I sent today, I don't know what to have these
clips I can't remember. Right. So you what do you what I do is
the night before the show, I go through all those pre clips and
put them on a on an h2 i There's a I have a jacket in the back of
the DVR goes right into a real digital recorder. And I record
those pieces of that as
an audio to digital or digital digital.
It's it's audio analog to analog to analog to analog analog to
analog to digital. Once that goes out analog against just an
analog process mostly. And then I record them all that night.
And then in the morning, I get up two hours before the show and
I go through the clips in Audacity and edit them down. And
then name them and save them because now it's immediate
because I know because I have a lot of clips, say 15 clips. If I
had done this like a week ago, the name of the clip I will know
what that clips about. Right? Right. Because it's impossible
to you know, that's why a lot of the clips are very long names.
So I say I'm not going to remember what those of us are.
So I try to keep it immediate. So the show when we do the show
again, like the we were talking about pre interviews, the
fresher things are I think the audience likes it better. So I
try to keep it as fresh as possible by moving everything
right toward the show and do everything on my last minute
basis. Which is I'm natural to as you know. I'm an LIFO LIFO
I'm a LIFO guy last minute Charlie works for me. And it
also stays fresh. I'm Sam,
I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the term last minute, Charlie.
Yeah. Last
minute. Charles used to call me I have no life. Oh, there you
go. Last minute, Charlie, talking about going around doing
write that down. Even
when we, when I was talking about taking the radio book
tour, there were people that did pre interviews and there were
people that didn't the fresher shows all didn't I worked Larry,
Larry King showed what he's doing radio three, three or four
times. And he refused to talk to anybody before the show. And he
didn't want any pre interviews. He felt that the audience
doesn't pre interviewing you Why should he? And if he can't get
you to talk then you know he's not doing his job. Which is my I
feel exactly the same way about it because I noticed that when I
did the pre interviews with a number of these hot shots that
you know somebody pre interviewing, I never does
subjects when they came up. i You don't know if you said it or
not. I think I talked about that already, didn't I? And so it'd
be I thought it was terrible idea. And I've always think
that's where I think Craig Ferguson on The Late Late Night
Show that he Does and he takes the blue cards and tears them
up. Right at the beginning of every interview, he doesn't look
at the cards, of which I think they're just props. Now, this
is definitely something that we agreed on early on is, which I
think is really why we don't talk to each other. Because
we're all we know unless it just gossip about one topic that we
that we stick on for sometimes months or years. Just as like an
our own continuing soap opera, whatever it happened is just
nothing important to to the audience for the show. If we
talk about anything else, it will not come up in the show.
It's like what we've done dinner, even the newsletter,
once you the stuff you write in the newsletter, I you know, you
write the newsletter, you send it to me, I say, Oh, how about
this? Usually I say which I know you hate good to go. West or Q?
That's a little they didn't read it?
No, I read it very carefully. Every single one. But then yeah,
they've read it and then goes out. And when it comes in, I
read it again because I want to see what pictures you put in.
And then we never talk about rarely talk about what was in
the newsletter because we talked about it or it's been discussed
or it was on the radar. I don't know. It's very strange. It's
sometimes it comes up sometimes, but not often.
And the newsletters pretty standalone. And there's a couple
items in there. There we go. I'll maybe say we're going to
talk about something and then it'll just vague and that's
okay. But ya know, that's one of the problems that I think a lot
of people have when they over rehearse, it's over rehearsing
and we're not putting on a play. I mean, there's it seems to me
that it's just acting at the point where you do a lot of pre
interviews. Okay, here's what you can target. That's a lot of
reality TV is produced this way. Here's what you're going to do.
They tell you what to do. And then you post the ad lib.
All reality TV is not. Here's how it works. Could you come in
the door again? Could you just do that one more time? Do that
walk again. So there that's your reality TV?
Yeah. Yeah, it was the Burnett, the guy who perfected it was
survivor, he said, and he did a lot of other shows. He said he
never liked the name reality TV because it's not real. He says
it's properly should be called unscripted. Drama. Exactly. And
when he said and I realized what it was really all about
unscripted drama, cheap actors that don't get any money, no
writers. That guy Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, unscripted drama.
In other words, I get all the money.
Before we move into into that I want to stick with the process
for a moment. What you don't seem to do or do you don't
really seem to save stories or webpages that you want to
discuss? Or don't really recall, you bring that up very much.
Sometimes you'll send me a link, but that's very rare.
Yeah, this is true.
Which is pretty much the opposite of what I do.
Yeah. What do you do? I don't know what you do. I know you're
not doing what I do. That's for sure. There's no chance? No, not
at all? I wouldn't think so.
Well, I'll tell you how I do it now. Because over the course of
four years, a system has been built that, that I use Dave
Jones, and I will Dave Jones at all the programming, and he has
a job. Just over the course of four years, we perfected it
called the Freedom controller, which is a name that I always
liked. And it was some product I had 15 years ago and the domain
name came free again, after I think the IRS had it or
something, I have no idea what happened. I've always liked the
name, but it is a system that has an RSS aggregator that's,
that's a big part of it a really good aggregator that has
functionality to immediately tag and save a story from the
aggregator itself and save it in a in a, an outline format,
actually the OPML format without all the crap. So it's kind of
like, what's the plugin for browsers, what was that called?
Read readability or something was called. Yeah, something like
that. But it's our own version. And because it's stored in, in
a, in an XML format, you can do all kinds of thing with it,
things with it, like search, but you can also collapse it into
just a title of the story and move it around and an outline if
if anyone's use an outline, or you should look into it. It's a
very interesting way to manage information. And I'm really bad
at writing. My handwriting is horrible. I can't read what I've
tried it. I've tried carrying notebooks I lose the papers. It
sucks. It's just no good. And this forces me into into a
format. So I'm just looking at the aggregator and I think I
have 780 feeds and as a way to make some of them stickies.
They're always at the top so I don't miss them. And in that our
particular feeds from see spam there's, there's a lot of video
stuff that people are collecting that I subscribe to their feeds
is even a way to get some YouTube stuff. And that's a very
good source of just stuff that's out there cuz I can't watch
everything. What's meanwhile I am watching whatever's on the TV
here and I have a DVR. So if I see something, I'll roll it
back, I'll record it directly into the right onto mp3. So I
have it directly in the computer. I don't like that as
much because I I'd rather have a source that people can go to in
the show notes, there's always the the original video clips.
And sometimes I'll see something on C span, but I'll actually
pull it from the C span website. We're doing this all day long,
all day, and it's a bookmark that'll see your story. So I get
all these emails and I prefer, if someone's just sending me a
link, send it on Twitter, it's much faster for me to open it
unless you have some story you need to add to it. And I just
click on it, the story opens. If I like it, there's a
bookmarklet. I click on that, and it immediately tags it and
saves it. Then the night before the show were really pretty much
the so Saturday as an example, it'll happen. I'll start around
before dinner. And I'll start to look at all of the videos that
I've tagged. And then I'm going to start recording those,
cutting them down I use fish in which is just a MAC MAC product,
very simple just for editing like you do. And I have to
transform all of them into 96 kilobits, there's a lot of stuff
that I do there. And then I start to look at all the
stories, I've now realized that in the past four days or three
days, whatever cycle we're on, there will be things that I've
been alerted to, or that I found or they find interesting. And I
really dive down as deep as I can to find you know, I've saved
PDFs and all kinds of things. And I spent hours usually until
one in the morning on Saturday night as example. marking up
stuff and creating a little rundown a story of how I want to
get to a point or something that I found or, you know, I love
looking at the the form 990s of nonprofits and making
connections and seeing who's on whatever it is. I love doing
that. And that's really, that's really all done the evening
before. And then in the morning. When I get up, I get up. Seven,
so that's 910. Four hours before the show. Yeah.
Yeah, no, no, you're a time.
I started 11. The show starts at 11. Here. Yeah. Okay, we're out.
Yeah, for hours. And I'll do another look at the what stories
have come in where people have tweeted anything else in the
aggregator sometimes there's something big. And then after
breakfast, I guess I'll have definitely have CNN, if
anything's changed, because you don't want to put something out
there that has changed overnight.
Well, yes, embarrassing to talk about some of this changing as
we talk about it.
And then I have to categorize everything. And I put it in a
rundown of what I want to talk about. And I usually have 14
different categories, some of which are never, we never get
to. And these are all based typically on web pages that I've
saved or things that I've put together. And here's the cool
thing about the freedom controller after the show. I
really add the art the changes in the links. Usually I do that,
right? We add our credits, and then I publish that, and that
becomes the show notes.
Yeah, that's actually the cool. One of the coolest things about
the show is the show notes. Very well organized, which is, again,
you're a neat freak. I said you were from the beginning. And
that I think is very beneficial. I don't do that. No, that no,
no, you don't have to use it. I think it's valid. And it's good.
As a contrast we both did that it would be we would kind of
know if it would work as well. I use random walk theory which is
well known. And I expect through serendipity and, and my being
connected to mainstream media and also working for a living as
actually this show is my living but it's beside the point. And
being out and about and doing what I do to expect that these
things will come to me through either by either accident, or
overtly through somebody telling me about it. Or my discovering
it. On my looking I do a daily I look at Daily News, run run
downs to see what's cropping up. And I do use Google because
Google is a computerized system that will bring those stories,
certain kinds of stories up well, the better stories are
buried and you pick those up elsewhere. And I listened to a
lot of C span right and hope they can hit something that's
actually like going to Reno or Vegas, we spin the wheel, put it
on a number. PVC span is a gamble. And it's it's the
biggest waste of time that I have. I watched it a lot. And
it's rare. I do much better if I go on to C span website to let
me do things overtly, but I will run into stuff. In fact, I think
one of the greatest clips I ever found was the clip I
accidentally stumbled upon while watching C span while they were
talking about wildfires. When Harry Reid I should dig that
clip up again as exhibition dig up, where Harry Reid drops into
the middle of an empty chamber while they were there talking
about wildfires. Interrupts a Republican who gladly turns the
floor over to him to the Senate floor to him. And he passes the
N D A, or the National Defense Authorization bill in the dark.
Behind closed essentially, yeah, he passes it right there. We
looked it up. It was that was the bill. Oh, yeah. Objection.
Remember that? Yes, I do. A without objection, and they will
slam slam slam with a hammer that objection he reads a bunch
of Craps. So the bill can't be reintroduced, or nobody can say
no to what happened. And then he walks off the floor, turns it
back over to the wildfire guy. Holy crap. And then the Congress
or we have clips of this to where people come on. I don't
know how it got passed. Well, I do I saw it passed.
If you were to name that clip today, what would you name it?
Oh, it'd
be Harry Reid or NDA or wildfire. Or I have a tendency
to weird, you know, something like weird, weird happening, or
sometimes we'll miss name things because I put WTF. Idiotic and I
have to break myself that they have it. But I apparently cannot
do it.
I'm just the only reason I asked. I'm just trying to see if
I can find it.
Yeah, be nice if you could find because that was just like, wow.
And that is that is the lucky. That is the rolling you know,
getting the roulette wheel to hit the number you put your
dollar
now? Is that the which NDAA. Was that? 2012? I think it was the
12. Yeah. So then we get to use one of the cool things. If it
wasn't shownotes anywhere. We have searched.na shownotes.com,
which takes advantage of the XML format of the show notes. And
let's take a look read in the AAA. You never know might get
lucky. Oh, well, I have the show five ad that popped up House and
Senate quietly past bigger and better NDA. That's five ad now
that's 2014. That That can't be right.
That might be I mean, no. It can't be No, it was definitely a
couple years ago. Yeah. And yeah, they definitely and that's
also referring to the House and Senate. Both this was a Senate
action. Sorry. No, no joy.
I'll dig it up myself someday. It gives is worth playing again.
There's a lot of stuff worth playing again. A good example of
that is the never ending saga with North Korea. I have a clip
here, which is my one of my favorites. I think it's been
three years ago four years ago. This is the Hawaii clip. Got it.
Also tonight American warships are tracking a North Korean
vessel off the coast of China that may be carrying illegal
weapons. Meantime the Pentagon is beefing up our missile
defense system to protect Hawaii from a North Korean missile
attack. Japanese newspaper reports the North may be
planning to test fire another missile, this one aimed at
Hawaii on the Fourth of July. Most analysts doubt that it
could reach the islands but Defense Secretary Robert Gates
isn't taking any chances. Deploying a giant radar and
missile interceptors to the Hawaiian Islands.
Passengers aboard a Trans Atlantic flight.
I didn't get that out. You stop it.
With this. Yeah. This is a fine example of one of the things
that we'll pick up on. And it's just flabbergasting. It is
flabbergasting. What Pat what? What passes off his news and
what people will dare to put on the air
and what didn't and it forces the public to be scared. You
know, the North Koreans aren't attacking Hawaii. Oh yeah. Let's
say Let's bomb Hawaii. I mean, what is it more nutcases who
would believe this story in a million years but yet there it
goes right on mainstream media right through though that's a
local news but you know they played it all over the country.
And it was just like a it's just a handshake or in this thing
that really well this makes it nice to do this show. So we can
keep pointing this out even though I don't know if how good
I mean it does. Our listeners enjoy it. And
it really shows okay, this is this is this is what it really
is about. If you want to To sell something to people if you want
media to be something that people talk about it has to hit
some of the core core emotional issues with people fear is I
think top of the list your children is close if not above
it is very close second at best then maybe sacks but if fear is
so easy everybody experiences fear. Everybody knows it. It's
it's relatively easy to trigger and this view here alternative
the podcast you hear alternative shows use fear as a as a as a
way to grow or as a way to keep people
engaged Democracy Now every Tom Hartman
every really everything because when you're in a ratings game,
which means you can charge more for your advertising. It doesn't
matter if you just have to get more ratings. It does not matter
how you do it. I don't think I don't think there's anyone who
is
this is a guy who sells seeds. Glenn Beck Yeah, who also sells
seeds
and Gold and Gold
has endured as the market collapses it's great
but it's even financial shows us CNBC they're always selling fear
either fear that you're going to lose out because you didn't sell
on time you're gonna ride it all the way down to the bottom or
fear that you didn't buy it in times it's gonna go up it's all
based on fear, fear of loss of life of liberty, whatever or of
just losing out not being part of the crowd all based on fear
we pretty much don't do that which keeps us nice and small
cozy little show but it's also really nice. I am extremely
happy. Yeah, I'm not rich No, but I was not happy then
and which reminds me we should mention here it take a short
break that this show still does need support even though we do
not since the show is pre recorded we did not have the
chance to bring in the and we will do the people who
contributed for the Christmas show on the following Sunday.
And so they will be thanked profusely for helping do the
Christmas show that produce it but we want to remind people you
do have to help us by going to divorce that org slash and a or
the and the support page which is the support page where you
can then take out a program of some sort like a subscription or
or just donate straight up and then there will be a newsletter
asking for some additional support now there's a couple of
things we also do in the show which I think this is this is
done by we're not the only guys who do this I think we get stuff
that is unique necessarily but I don't check on all the other
shows that that get humorous clips necessarily to see if you
know how they're handling them because it's I don't want to
look derivative when I do one but I but we get stuff like this
and this is an old edge shows this is the what's wrong with
Edge Schultz horndogs that where he's trying to say something but
it comes off is a horn as a horn dog this guy
and find workers in the workplace who were basically
getting screwed that O'Reilly the next time you get on an
airplane as I got one on this morning from New York to
Washington, I thought about the flight attendants.
As I got one on this morning, I thought about the flight
attendant. I don't recall this clip. The Oh yeah, you cracked
sure I liked it. Yeah, it was a funny clip when we played the
first time as I got one on. Yeah, that's good. That's good.
So we do stuff like that, which I think a lot of people it's a
big part of the show because when you're getting a lot of
clips, you find these gaps. I mean, there's one here I have a
sharpening gaff that we probably haven't played for a long time,
but it's not it's not the first gaff that we ever played from
Sharpton. I believe the first gaff is the one I discovered
with the much resists we much we much no this isn't it. This is
when I think
you know what I have. John, this is a good opportunity to play
this because this is new. Catch.
Catch, Gaff. That's good. Nice. Well, here's a gaff, that is a
sharp 10 again, and this was one of the I think this may have
been the second time we caught him before it became obvious
that this guy was just a goldmine for these things and
watch captain says he shot the teen and self defense for the
young man was not armed. He was going back home after buying an
iced tea and skillets can name calling no incendiary language.
Just the facts. A young man did. The salmon says self defense.
What is found on the young man still it's an ICE T. Probable
cause for an arrest. I
wonder what the gaffe was
skillets and ICE T. We find trends that are obvious to us
and apparently to nobody else, which is one of the in this
includes the global warming propaganda and the six week
cycle and the six week cycle which which seems to have
changed somewhat. We don't have that anymore. We did play that
was good for a couple of years or shows. But there was this I
ran into this clip just casually. And this was from
about four years ago or maybe five years ago. And it was an
early economic report on California is trying to pick up
steam. And I guess nobody in the in the venture capital community
noticed this, but I it's it may. It was interesting to me. This
is the clip no green jobs.
Oh, hold. I messed that up. Sorry. What happened here? Yeah,
just so people know, when John's doing the lead up to a clip. I
am scanning his list, thinking what could it be? What could it
be? I
guess me and I and normally he doesn't sometimes I tease it in
such a way that he can find it with a quick search. Right. But
often because it's like today, there's too many clips.
That's not the problem. This is just you said California venture
capitalists, no green jobs. I wouldn't have guessed that.
The forecast says the California's unemployment rate
will not drop back to single digits for another year, fueled
by a growth in manufacturing, agriculture and shipping and
warehousing. Notice something missing? And BC barriers. Garvan
Thomas is here with what much hyped industry is not on that
list and who says it should be garbage. Tom Green Technology is
what he's not on the list. The author of the Anderson Forecast
here that says there just doesn't seem to be enough demand
for jobs like solar panel installers or wind turbine
workers to make a dent in the state's unemployment rate. He
says that all the hype that green is going to drive the
economy. Well, it's just not true
until we brought in the subsidies.
Well, it's still it's still nothing. Now while we're doing
clips like that, which I get it pretty common for the show to
have a clip like that. We used to have more of this sort of
clip which is the chainsaw guy clip. This was from a report
about some creepy murderer. We don't do this that much. But few
could have guessed the real truth.
Far from being a war hero, Robert Gleason was actually a
former mental patient. On the run from the police. A
compulsive hoarder of firearms, he'd been sectioned for shooting
up a hospital and jump bail in Buffalo, New York. After
shooting a man in the foot.
His conflict resolution method is to be violent or to threaten
violence. He's in love with guns, he's just infatuated with
guns.
Unbeknownst to the moment community policing his past was
littered with firearms offenses and odd behavior. three wives
have left him the last one she found him taking a bath with a
dissemble, dear.
All right. So here's genesis of the show, which as we heard in
the beginning, we said we don't talk about news then we and also
this is technology is a part of this being a DVR do we have DVRs
maybe I don't think it was not that easy eight years ago, seven
years ago, just to record stuff and just wasn't we didn't have a
lot of the things we have today. Then we started to ridicule
media, funny things. And then we started to pick up on things
about although I don't have a clip of it, big disclaimers on
pharmaceutical products where it 15 seconds is what it is and
then 45 seconds of disclaimers of all the things that will go
along with
one good example here. Let's see if I if I moved over. I mean,
yeah, we don't do that as much as we used to because it got to
be see is there any pharmaceutical name? Sure. I
have one somewhere. And now they're all over the place
actually scared. I'm looking for it
I don't see it.
I don't see anything in your list either. Well, oh, I got a
bunch of them here. I can just pull one. What do we have? This
one I'm not sure when this is from but we'll take it
imagine the possibilities with Stelara. For adults. Stelara
helps control moderate or severe plaque psoriasis with four doses
a year after two starter doses. In a medical study, seven out of
10 Stelara patients saw at least 75% Clear Skin at 12 weeks and
here we go six out of 10 patients have their plaque
psoriasis rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks that's 22.
Second, they lower your ability to fight infections and increase
your risk of infections. Some serious infections require
hospitalization before starting Stelara Your doctor should tell
test for tuberculosis Stelara may increase your risk of
cancer, always tell your doctor if you have any sign of
infection or have had cancer. Alert your doctor of new or
worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion
and vision problems. These may be signs of a rare potentially
fatal brain condition, serious allergic reactions can occur.
Tell your doctor if you or anyone in your house needs or
has recently received a vaccine with for a year after two
starter doses, it's the latter
22 seconds of information all the rest is disclaimer muiden
ridiculed a lot of that I think, from my perspective, at a
certain point, I just it became so easy for me to look at
something that was news. And even just looking at a map and
say, Oh, hold on a second. This either makes no sense. or Now I
see what's really going on. And it's just a little bit of
research, which I'm not schooled as a researcher, I have no
college degree. It's not that hard. You just have to do the
work. And be prepared to hit a dead
end. Yeah, which is most of the time, but a lot
of the time. Yeah, a lot. And when we have a lot of really
good people who do certain research and send stories and
ideas, we have a two guys from the Netherlands actually, who
posted the no agenda, news network, another site that are
really it's part of I think all of my feeds are in there all 700
feeds that I'm subscribed to flow through there. And a lot of
those are from producers who create RSS feeds, and you can
add your own RSS feed automatically. You don't need
any, anything, any permission to do that. Those guys sometimes
will do 2030 different links a day, all quality, all great
stuff. And then I get things sent through email with
explanations and viewpoints know a lot of times it's is No, it's
nothing or no good. But a lot of times it's really spectacular.
And I like the instance the reason the reasonable commentary
by the Canadian producer who mentioned that Warren Buffett is
the train guy and he's making money off the oil coming in from
the Alberta tar sands and Bill Gates. And Bill Gates owns a
Canadian you know, he's the biggest investor in Canadian
rail. Did you know that? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So he's got the he's
got the Canadian rail and bumps got the other one. And so heck
with the Keystone pipeline, who needs that? It's going to cost
them money. Now I have a clip on here it says, Are you fucking
kidding me?
And you don't know what you don't know what? Hit it.
So believe it or not, there's an app for apes and outreach. For
Ranga Tang sent iPads to zoos all over the country, the
primates are using them to paint and to color and scientists hope
that they'll eventually Skype with Apes at other zoos.
Yeah, this was four years ago, I just some of this story. Are the
apes communicating? No, you know what happens? They grabbed this
thing, they do something and they get mad at and smash it. So
this was a stupid idea from the beginning. And if and the
mainstream news people, the corporate news, people, whatever
you want to call them advertising, they tell the story
straight without any thought whatsoever. The first thing I
would say, Why aren't the apes just busting these things up?
Because that's what apes like to do.
wasn't wasn't at the time. And this is another thing we catch
on to wasn't that around the time of the Planet of the Apes
movie. I remember when deconstructed that actually
this week catch. We probably the only podcast or news did
analysts ever that connect the dots on these movies? I'd say
99% of the time we miss them. Every once in a while we do a
whole story on something. Did you notice that there's a movie?
You know, it's like I was doing a thing on selfies. And then all
of a sudden, there's a TV show selfies and Kardashians got a
book coming out on it. They just own selfies.
This is probably this is where we need to just briefly discuss
for people who haven't heard this from us before. This is how
the news is put together. There really aren't people. They just
look at the look at the headlines here. The New York
Times is trying to fire well. Pay off 100 people, everybody's
cutting staff. There's there's just almost they are only trying
to either.
In fact before you go on. No. You have the New York Times. You
just mentioned it you dropped to you open the door. Five years
ago, there's the Times reporter clip. Got it.
Our Cawthorne on the streets for more than 30 years was once a
reporter for the New York Times. You know I was normal for 35
years and then I got bored for Hawthorne and others who live
outdoors with all their possessions being in the
calendar was a point of pride.
Yeah. He was, this is a guy, homeless man, New York Times
reporter that got on the homeless calendar, somebody put
a bunch of guys on, you know, the calendar on a calendar. And
so and so I did, I forgot all about that clip. But that to me
is your new york times the future, the New York Times
anyway.
So before we get to the native advertising part, what really is
going on? These stories are generated either. And you can
see this in tech press, which I think is one of our big pet
peeves. It really is the PR company placing messaging,
creating controversy, creating stories like apes and iPads,
anything to connect it either directly or indirectly or
suddenly, um, some of them are very, very good at it. And some
campaigns are really extraordinary. And it's and they
have all the right elements, you throw it into the machine, and
it just goes and it's, it's usually it has something funny,
something interesting, but it is connected to a some product or
something that is being sold. And that is 90%. I'd say 90% of
your news is based on that, because how are new stories
chosen? Who does that? Who chooses it? I asked you?
Well, the way it depends on was a newspaper or a broadcast
outlet in the smallest market broadcasters, the news stories
and everything is chosen by the day one of the one of the
broadcasting talkers, one of the talking heads. He just picked
stories, usually from the New York Times and there's there's
kind of an unwritten rule and radio that if it's not in the
New York Times, you don't really report it unless it's very
special local news that is in a local paper. You don't do
anything outside the box at all.
That's still an unwritten rule. I have my Oh, yes. Really? Yeah.
Yeah,
absolutely. And except on the Fox channels,
obviously, any morning zoo does so called news. And they're
scanning that but
that's I'm talking about news. Show. I'm not talking about
performances. Okay. And the newspaper, there is a big there
have a big meeting. Just interrupt.
It is exactly those performances, though, that
creates the virality of a lot of these new stories, I think.
I believe they're part of the virality I'm not sure what
creates it initially. Something does. The morning zoo guys
listen to each other's I don't know where they talk, no bounty,
they'll listen to each other. They probably hear from people
that listen to all of them. But we
also we know what our what our producers want to hear. We pick
stories that we think they'll like and we're picking we're
choosing
do well, that's essentially what is done in, in broadcasting on
kind of, what would you call it to alternative outlets? They
tend to pick stories that but it's interesting to us, you and
me. Also, it's not as though we're just what did you think
these folks would like to hear? That never works out? You have
to kind of entertain yourself. But anyway, back to the
newspaper. The newspapers have meetings, and they have an
editor in chief who's at the front of the whole thing. And
they bring in the chiefs, the head of the city department that
does city desk and all the rest of them. They're all in there's
about maybe eight nine people, and then they start pitching
stories where they would they want to run on their section or
if they want to put on the front page. And the editor, the editor
in chief makes the final decision. And if it's a bad
decision, they their argument will ensue. And they may or may
not relent generally not but they can and they will
occasionally and then they decide on what's going to be in
the paper that day and they will and then the right wingers that
have been critical of the mainstream media excuse me, they
have always said that it's not the the lack of objectivity by
the reporters because their reporters are objective as best
they can let me get some water in his spiel. Anyway, so they
they in the right wingers have always said if you'd listened to
their theories about what's wrong with the media, it's the
it's the selection of the news that is that slanted to the
left. They're always you know, certain kinds of stories or you
know, the ones that Republicans are always bad and they and
they're Democrats are always good stories. And you ended up
with a kind of a structure that you have today in the olden days
when the papers are all owned by right wingers and then managed
by Democrats at least the newspaper owner would come in
and
and write influence Yeah. You don't think so? happens I'm sure
that still happens.
No, everybody's now the papers are owned by left by large left
left leaning corporations. The again the corporations that they
don't do that anymore. These large corporations they As far
as they're concerned is a product that either makes money
or it doesn't if it doesn't make money, why not let's what do we
have to change? native advertising? That's where native
ad advertising is making a headway in places like the New
York Times. Right, the General Electric definitely doesn't give
a crap they're actually promote the left wing agenda with their
shows and their networks. I don't know how long this is
gonna go on, because I don't believe the Comcast people that
took over the NBC network are going to continue to put up with
this unless they're a bunch of crazy liberals. That doesn't
make any sense. But you mean put up with what with with, with
MSNBC, NBC, all this left leaning? It's very slanted
network. Its left. It's the leftist network. I mean, MSNBC
is a perfect example. They just slam Republicans for whatever
they do. It's actually pro Democrat more than even the
left. It's not even progressive. It's just Democrat, Democrat,
Democrat. Hooray for the Democrats, as very boring to
most people, including Democrats. Nobody, no Democrat
listens to that. They are they they're, if you're a Democrat,
you don't need to be told that you know, you're great. If
you're Republican, you don't need to be told you're great.
But they keep telling you you're great as though you I don't know
what the point of it is, is boring is very boring pro
programming that just be cheerleading. Cheerleading is
bad journalism.
Right? Well, there's
a lot of that. Yes, it happens indented, and you are dead on
its head and technology right now is almost all cheerleading.
And we had some guy that wrote us a letter, the Russian guy, he
says he I give you some money, but my guess was negative for
Russians. I give you some money, if you you know, because you
guys have seen that the Russian anti Russian propaganda is, you
know, is what it is you wanted
to donate for specific segments. And if you did a
segment on Russia, we don't do segments is another thing we
don't the show doesn't hit as an unstructured show. Kind of No,
it's very instructional we had, we have an opening, we have an
opening, closing. And the closing. We have to,
we have weather and weather and news on the eights
we have asked people to go to divert.org/na. And we have we
thank everyone who's contributed a certain amount of, of money to
the show to keep it going. And I don't see any other structure.
There's no structure to the actual content. It's it's
headless. Is headless Drupal.
Man is way ahead of me on her head is gonna go ahead. Headless
Drupal. Yeah. Yeah. Well, for me that I always have
excellent, we do our stick, go back and forth. Yeah, there's
structure to that, because we've been working together. But it's
like, it's still a comedy act. That is, you know, the structure
structure within it was only based on experience. I mean, we
create structure on the fly, right. But I think the show if
anyone examined it show after show after show it's it has no
structure, which segments in other words,
which is, is another thing that I believe is part of the success
of having done very low budget work with radio and television.
That seems like there always had to be a producer, a producer,
who was either collecting or aggregating or feeding whatever
it is, and we and also making decisions about when to cut
something went and we are both and we're each other's producer,
which I think is really that to me is really key. That it may
not always happen on the show may happen afterwards. That was,
that was no good. That was too long, or this was outstanding,
whatever it is not having that another element in there and
people offer all the time. Hey, can produce this for you. We can
do this. No, no, no, no, no. We'll do it all ourselves.
Please let us just do it ourselves.
Yeah, I'm always baffled by these podcasts that have staffs.
I mean, this is the 20. This is 2014 2015 We're coming up on
this model has changed, especially the audio model has
changed since 1905 or 1910, when amateur first radio started
being produced and coming out and those became a huge hobby,
and then it became commercial. And then the big networks
formed. I'm reading a book right now from Britain in 1935 on
advertising and radio, and it discusses all the formation of
NBC and the NBC blue in the red what's, what's the book call is
called like advertising and radio. It's available. I think I
found it on archive.org. I'll send you the file. If you have a
Kindle. You want to read it on to Kindle. I'm reading it and
it's talks about all the like the gold network it was used to
be in California tell us about all the networks how they formed
and how they you know why A CBS became so successful is because
at one time NBC was when you joined the NBC network, either
the blue or the red. And there was, I think the colors related
to what part of the country they were in not. And I think in some
ways they ran simultaneously. But there were two networks
separate the NBC when networking first came out, or the network
idea first came out, you join the network, and then NBC would
pay you like $50 to share a show a half hour show a Mystery Show
and such in such a time. And this became a hue as this
thing's progress. This became a huge problem, as CBS realized
when they watch what NBC was doing, and they did a
differently. NBC they had a flat rate. So a guy a guy in Omaha
with a 500 watt station will make the same amount as same
amount as some guy with 50,000 Watts and the 50,000 Watt guy
couldn't afford to put the show on for 50 bucks because he had a
big right he had a big it was very expensive. This gear was
not cheap.
The fuel to power a 50,000 watt, and the energy to power that
transmitters, the biggest cost is yes, huge amount of cost
and the overhead of the whole operation. So and So NBC
couldn't they couldn't figure this out. And so these guys
weren't running the programming, and they had the biggest outlets
with the 1000 Watch. He had a lot of people. And so they
weren't they weren't chart giving the money per person,
they were just giving him to him per station. CBS did it
differently. They did it on a per person basis. And so the
guys made a lot of people defected. A lot of NBC
affiliates said screw you. I'm gonna go with CBS. And I think
they actually, to this day, CBS has been smarter than NBC. And I
think this all started back then because it guys apparently we're
Boneheads. And I think they still are I think it's just a
bonehead network.
Take that into the staff.
Yeah, exactly. Anyway, so there's a good book to read,
it's kind of just because it's got a bunch of old radio info in
there. And it's how they, the early days and how it all be
Howard coalesced into eventually morphed into television, but
they don't have that part since the book was written in 35. The
future was bright.
Well, we don't really have staff per se, we do have a lot of
people who help us out with a lot of important things. Besides
producers who are part of the global intelligence network who
are saying,
and we use volunteers, volunteers like that people like
to volunteer, and a lot of people and we give praise to
people, we we don't have any trouble giving credit, where
credit is due to all the people that help us
avoid zero running the whole infrastructure, which move
change actually when Mr. Oil came in, and and get most laid,
they started to run the infrastructure. And now that is
pretty much all run oil is 100%. Run by by void zero. And then
the other ones, right, we actually pay for the bandwidth
now, while we pay Yeah, we
have monthly bills for servers and bandwidth. Void zero, hasn't
does not receive a salary. He's Yes, of course, when things are
running, then you don't have to do a lot. But he's always
improving and continuously making things better and just
trying to up the ante. It was really important. And it's
sometimes it's a shitty, shitty job when stuff doesn't work,
right, and chat rooms and streams and all that stuff
running. Then we have Paul couture, who has set up the
Norwegian art generator for us, which is you just did a revamp
of that. And that thing's been running for a long time, which
is critical for our for album art. And again, we like we like
to credit him we'd like to credit the artists who do that.
All things that I don't know why other people don't really do
stuff like that. I'm always surprised it seemed like seems
like such such a no brainer. You know, just some new artwork
every single time. Why not?
Yeah, we have already said the like to do I mean most artists
who are into anything, they like to produce art. I was talking
watching, I went to the Adobe thing and they had a bunch of
different artists and this one guy did giving large speeches
about their stuff and how they do and what they like to do and
how they use the products. And this one guy says, I talked to
my friend up the hill here, Bert Monroy, who's a very famous
Photoshop guy. And the guy says, you know, he was in school, this
kid was in school, and he was drawing all the time when he was
in the third fourth grade. And he just, he drew a caricature, a
very nice one apparently was teacher who caught him doing it
and sent him to the principal's office, of course. So he got the
principal takes a look at this drawing, and he hires the kid to
do all the teachers. So the kid ends up with than early gig and
in Monterey says to me, yeah, when I was a kid, I was just I
was the same way in class, I was just I wasn't listening, I was
just drawing 24/7 artists like to produce art, right. And they
need outlets. They need as many as they can. Sure they like
paying gigs. But this is not you know, we're not this is stuff
you knock out.
And the same goes for jingles. Sir Jeff Smith, who's done an
enormous amount of jingles for us over the years.
And yes, and I and I want to mention something about
creativity, if you're a writer and artist, or the jingle maker,
whatever, you and I was told this actually, a couple of times
in my career, if you don't hold on to anything, you cannot hold
back you have to get every creative thought or idea if you
want to write you have to, you got to get it out of your
system, or you know, it sounds corny, you get clogged up and
you will not you know, you all of a sudden you're gonna just be
clogged up, you just can't You can't do it, you got
constipation. You won't be able to write you won't be able to do
that. So these guys, they they most creative people know this.
And so they come up with a no agenda jingle. And they can't
keep it in their brain because it just feels start clogging
them seriously. It's true, they do the jingle and send it to us.
We have John Fletcher doing all those shoutouts for us, which is
lectures. But he didn't think he knew he had that skill. I mean,
yes, that skill is astonishing.
It really is. Really is quite good. I mean
play a couple of them. You can't nobody else can do this.
Let me just get to get into the folder here but we have a lot.
So the the classic of course is this one. We have another one we
like I'm sorry by mint, this one and another favorite.
No, this all stems from my suggestion that somebody out
there do a whole gun using Putin.
But I don't I don't think many people know Hogan's Heroes
anymore but I know but
there's a few and and it is mocked I mean the Simpsons mock
it and so they do that whole gun you know, Sam son they've done
it all these it's not completely unknown to people who watch TV.
And I think we got a number of Putin's a bit but Fletcher stuff
is just so above and beyond anybody else's is ridiculous.
And we don't
thank Secret Agent Paul enough. Let me give you the list of
jingles. He's done for us. Adams pet peeve Clip of the Day F
cancer words matter open up Mr. Curry opened up Mr. Dvorak.
Diane Sawyer drunk again. Just a dude named Ben. Grande do pals
mockers jingle verbalization a she'll alert. See donation for
Grand Duke David Foley. That guy does a lot.
Yeah. Yeah, they're all good, too. Yeah, no, there's a lot of
talent out there.
There. And as you said, yeah, no, got it. No, I knew I knew
you were gonna do it.
Oh, I think I think I'm trying to I'm rewinding to see you
catch myself. Yeah, no, yeah, no, yeah, I think you can catch
it now. That was good. You caught it early enough. Where it
was still in the memory banks it was fading.
And why are why are we policing each other again,
we police each other because we're susceptible to me memes
that are in play in the society at large that are used not to
really communicate but to kind of either pad or or at some
point annoy. I'm not even sure why we're doing it not you
mentioned it except that we both know it's healthier not to be
using these. These phrases and terms that are in common use.
And then they won't be in common use is sometime in the future.
And we're going to sound like two guys talking to the 1930s
Hey, you mug, a kind of thing?
Well, this kind of comes down to what I think the real benefit of
the no agenda show is besides giving good life, which always
hope if you're not laughing at least once during an episode
that I feel we failed.
With the blues. Jonathan Davis news. There's one thing you must
remember no agenda in voting for a healthy balanced news diet.
Try no agenda show.com
This is really the what we leave for society. I hope it's bad for
you what you're seeing on television, reading in the
newspaper reading online, it's not healthy, to be continuously
provoked into fear or whatever other motions are being played
upon you. And hopefully, I see evidence of it and people are
not only enjoying our take on things which is often a lot less
scary when you know that hey these guys may not really be
beheading people or that kind of you know they're not really
gonna have these floating Toyota Toyota cars that can fly or like
a ship or anything like that
you're gonna get yeah but also got except for buy we're gonna
clip for the next show that's one of these where they come on
with this it's and it's our government oh they the American
soldiers have to be careful with social looser the story I have
the social networking because the ISIS people are gonna kill
him in the street they're gonna knock on the door and
kill them and kill them.
And then you use the word kill is like annihilate there's some
specific words.
I have the clip to so now slaughter. Okay, where did you
get the clip from?
You got it from I don't know, France 24 Or
both? We should both clip it because I have a different
source. I never watched France 24
Yeah, that's another thing we do. I have different sources for
news. I my sources tend to be our tea, France, 24 and
AlJazeera. Along with sometimes I go to Fox and back the blaze.
That's because it's right in between a couple of stations. I
started right there. I get it. I want to see what Dana's talking
about channel placement is very important. And I do see and and
I don't know what,
but I see evidence of people developing no agenda thinking,
which in some cases is extremely advanced. Certainly when
connecting movies. A lot of people are getting very good at
that. But just understanding that what is being said is is
bullcrap or manipulative and a part of just an unhealthy diet.
And when people start just they tweeted the email Oh, you know,
I've had my my no agenda producer thinking cap on and I
realized that this is bullcrap.
And if you don't do that, I think they will. And I think one
of the reasons we get so much support because everyone knows
how healthy it is. And if you don't do that, you could end up
I have a clip. You could end up like this poor bastard. The guy
who did the Kony movie. Yeah. You hit it.
The man behind the popular online video calling for the
arrest of Ugandan rebel leader Joseph Kony has been detained
and taken to hospital in the US. Jason Russell and his charity
Invisible Children made the film Kony 2012. Witnesses say he will
see naked and screaming at drivers in San Diego in
California. His group says the controversy surrounding the
video has taken an emotional toll on Russel.
Several residents in the neighborhood were very concerned
about a male that they described as a white male in his late 20s.
That was acting strangely, there were various stages of undress
that were described, you know that he was wearing underwear
that he was naked, that kind of thing, that he was running into
the roadway that he was interfering with traffic
screaming and that kind of thing. Officers responded to the
welfare check did contact the man and he was no problem for
the police department. However, during the evaluation with him,
we did learn that we probably needed to take care of him so
the officers detained him and transported him to a local
medical facility for further evaluation and treatment.
Yeah, the Lord's Resistance Army.
You know, that was gonna happen to people.
Do you know that we've as we have an Osprey now looking for
him, so called looking for him?
No, no, this and March.
I think we talked about it, which was 2012 when the video
was Kony 2012 And we still haven't found it. We've got
hundreds and hundreds of troops looking for Osprey villains
Yeah, with the tilt rotor aircraft. Aha.
Yeah, can't find me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, see what else we got.
There's a number of things we seem to lose track of. This was
the I think this began in 2009. So there's a 2009 clip and this
clip is the SF foodie event clip and I'm going to set it up with
I heard this I said I don't really quite remember maybe we
didn't even play this clip. But they looked at this event is
still going on even though it sounds like some sort of a
yuppie Fest and that Yep, yeah, I'm sorry hipster Fest and
dreadful in many ways and but it's something that you know, a
lot of things we do start we try to track give up on it because
it's a dud or dead end or shouldn't have been brought up
in the first place. This may actually be at one of those
types of clips should have been brought up in the first place,
but played anyway.
That's right. This new event is taking over the Bay Area's
foodie underground, with both home and seasoned professionals.
chefs compete for the title of San Francisco Food Wars
champion. And joining us in the studio is SF Food Wars creator
and founder Jeanne che, along with our own Bay Area bites
blogger Stephanie Rosenbaum, whose cooking baking skills were
put to the test and I really don't remember this really play
Food Wars latest competition Nagini How did you get the Food
Wars concept off the ground, this is the sixth event you've
had. This was the fifth event this event be doing that we're
working on our six now. So basically, San Francisco is such
a wonderful city for food in general. But when it comes to
the events, they tend to either be free and in general.
Anyway, they talked about it's a food event where they get to
have a competition Who makes the best cupcakes is the punchline.
Which is like cupcakes were like the hipsters idea of what kind
of store to start, you know, follow the cupcake thing. We
have a cupcake store in the country failed the most of the
cupcake trucks with a bunch of food trucks. We have cupcakes,
and we have them here. Cakes was the the cupcake. And so it's a
starch bomb.
But how does this fit into? This is something that we didn't talk
about it or we did and went away and probably for good reason.
That's what I'm thinking. Alright, well, that was a dud.
So let's see, what are we oh, here's one. Here's one. This is
another thing that we kind of talked about. It kind of came in
when it's like every other bull crap thing we've seen in this
country from Hands Across America, which by the way, was
going to end homelessness back in 2002. I don't know when that
was, but it was a while ago. 2000 ads across America. Yeah, I
remember. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna end homelessness. But then
there's this one, which is just a stupid. And you and I think
this is still in play, but we don't talk about it much
anymore. Earth Hour?
Oh, yes. This was a couple of years this this one on March
27 8:30pm.
millions around the world will turn off their lights for one
hour all over the world. No.
It's time for America to lead on clean technologies and clean
jobs. Because we care about our planet, and our country. Let the
world know you want action on climate change turnout for
Earth, our simple. Earth Hour, march 27 8:30pm. To the gate to
the beat to the cloud with an oldie but goodie, I
think we've correctly identified that this is an initiative that
no longer works or is they have the focus and communication
skills have had to shift to pull this one over on people that now
that there's no longer just off a few outlets. And we are of
course, very critical of the manmade global warming, manmade
climate change 400 parts per million carbon pollution, poison
gas. And this is why we words matter that it does matter. We
this is probably why we're so anal about our own use of words.
They matter. Yeah, they could be they really, really matter. And
to go from carbon dioxide, is creating greenhouse gas to it is
poison gas is an unbelievable leap.
It's astonishing. Yes. And they also would do the words thing, I
really was happy when the public speaker sent us an email saying,
you know, you guys are always hung up on saying this or using
the word essentially or basically you started with
basically start with basically yeah, and then we the, ya know,
thing was, maybe I can now catch which is good at some of these
other
well, it was awesome, amazing.
Easy to stop. But you want when you start noticing it or fact of
the matter, which is now truth of the matter. You start hearing
it when you were listening to other when you're watching news,
it's easy. The fact of the matter the fact of the matter,
and it's a matter it is it is a programmatic word factor the
facts, just the use of the word fact which I believe really, if
we trace it really started with the the Obama administration
really, really pushed that through fact, it's a fact this
is the fact that the fact the facts are in fact everything was
fat and listen, look. Look, listen, look not Yeah, look,
look, and listen. Wow,
we could do a whole show on just those things that we've noticed.
And they probably get speaker, producer, he says this He likes
this because he's as someone who speaks a lot of guests he does a
lot of those of these types of the kind of popular speeches
that are given. He needs to be aware of this too because he
can't be up there saying you know, these commonplace cut
these common isms or whatever you want to call them. I
constantly sounded like an idiot. It's amazing. It's
amazing. It's amazing. Now, if we go back far enough, we used
to also attack now we just kind of like, I think it's just a
running punch line now Taylor Swift Yes.
Yeah, we you're on. You're on a Taylor Swift very early on.
Yes. That's when I discovered her father was an investment
banker for Merrill Lynch and he moves to Memphis. And he did
personally he was a personal one of the guys who did the big
accounts and other he'd have like a Rockefeller or someone,
and he would handle the what the guy with the big money, the big
money accounts. And so when he moved to Memphis, my belief was
that he took over some big money accounts in the music industry
and could get his daughter on the fast track, which he did.
Is this. Is it the clip of her talking about noodling? Yes. So
interesting show, she
got on like, 21, she got on some special she's like 817 It was it
was right. And you see special on these specials as the whole
show. And I'm thinking this is some sort of public relations
thing. That is outrageous. And it's just, it's a, what they in
the, in the print media, they call these blow jobs
straight. But Taylor's strive for perfection, only makes the
people who work with this young star, respect her that much
more. Let's go
there's been times where I've played a solo, and then she'll
say, Well, can you kind of do this and she'll sing me and
melody, I'll incorporate that and and that's very impressive
for someone her age
the problem that I was having with a solo is that it like it's
getting a little noodley like I'd rather it be like near
less notes, that'd be great. Let's try it again.
I remember ridiculing this. And I, I think I was wrong to
ridicule.
Well, we were transitionary we still ridicule to an extreme,
but I actually
actually thought she sucked. I actually felt it was bad. I had
Anthropy against him now that I hear that she I
don't think she's I admire her as a as a business genius. And a
marketing referee.
I like her Poppy songs. I like that. I don't like the outfit.
I'm like the dress.
So marketing, that's fine. I think she dresses well. I like
chance. She takes advantage of her height. She's very model
ish. It changes your face looking hair all the time. So
she's got a kind of like a low end version of Gaga in terms of
like changing your look. Not you didn't go crazy. Then we're
meet. But yeah, no, I think she's she's Yeah, no, but
he's did it again.
Wow, okay. Well, guy could get us there. Game. One, I'm trying
to think of some way you catch it. You're catching it earlier
and I can go on was kept trying to
understand why what is the thought process behind Do I
just smack my lips? I think I know. We're gonna be so
paralyzed.
It's
it's transition.
Yeah, it's grabbing attention. It's transitioning in the
conversation.
It's saying it's a green. Yes. And then is this stupid? Let's
back it up and say this is a very stupid thing to do ever
use. No. Yeah, no. Yeah, no, or whatever it
is. So I've been teaching my I would say a lot of No, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They heard that in the very
first clip where I'm trying to tell you something. I would No,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm the no no guy.
Yeah, you're the no no guy. I'm the Yeah, yeah. Try
not to do it together. Yeah, yeah. No, no. Yeah, exactly.
But no, I did. I did. It's a way of transitioning. And there's
all kinds of different ways and apparently that one I got stuck
on recently. I'm not sure where it came from. But okay, do it.
You can stop me the next few times. I will eventually be able
to hear it before as I say it. Yes. You will. Remember when I
was like doing it? Yeah. That's pretty amazing. I know. That'll
moment that moment will happen with Yeah, no. Well, anyway, she
these things are important.
She is a genius of some sort. And really is a true talent in
that regard. I don't like her songs. I think they're boring. I
don't do that. I can't even think of one. I can't even think
of a melody to one. She does not create memorable music.
Well, she's no Green Day, that's for sure.
I can think of like a half dozen Green Day songs, right. All
right, six. Now let's start now The guy who said I could think
of half a half a dozen American Idiot comes right to mind.
That's one and five others.
Very good. Well, I think I was probably around just by the
whole Rich Dad thing and you know, moving to Nashville, and
then you know, Well, damn, it worked.
Well it was bound to work. And once you got that special at
that early age, the ABC gave it up all that time to her. You
knew it it was done it was over was it was a done deal. She's
gonna be like a big hit. But it doesn't mean I don't think she's
done. You know, she could have been a big hit and actually made
some decent songs but she didn't I don't think I don't know of
any.
Do you think we How long do you think we can continue to create
the show and continue to do it?
Well, it says it writes itself and so far as the media is
concerned, and it keeps coming at us. And it's it's not you
never saw the Larry David show.
I tried I couldn't get into it didn't know you can't
get into it. It takes you have to you can't I hated that show.
Until like the last two seasons. When you could get into it. You
can finally he would finally approachable and you could get
into the show deeply into the show. And then you could go back
and it was all good. Very strange phenomenon in that
regard. Okay. But this guy he was he's want to create a
Seinfeld and he is essentially a neurotic guy who gets irked by
stuff. Every just irked. He's irked. He's just like an act.
Yeah, little things bother him. And then he takes it out. And
you know, he puts it on paper and mocks in various ways. And
he can't each stop doing the show. He's done a couple of
movies, the show hasn't been on for two or three years. He but
it was after Seinfeld that he had to do this show is very
dangerous show because he you get built up as the clogged
effect they talked about earlier. He's gonna be so
clogged up with He has done nothing on social media,
Facebook, selfies, all these new things have happened since he
started doing the show. And so the show will return. This is
the same thing with us. There's so much material that is created
by the mass media and the public and the society itself, that we
probably could do the show forever. Because it never ends.
It's just we're deluded.
Is there ever a moment that you got up and thought Oh, I gotta
do the show? Yeah, really?
Yeah. I've never had that. I've had a couple of times. Gotta do
the show was mainly because I didn't get enough sleep. Right?
I've thought about killing me. No, no, I haven't thought about
that. I figured that Mickey take care of that. I've thought about
the benefits of doing the show which is that I get a lot out of
the show I find myself thinking more clearly. And so that's as
far as I'm concerned. As long as that continues I wouldn't want
to stop doing the show because I know that I would start to fall
back into into old ways of it could be kind of be that
wouldn't happen as much but I'd be suckered into something or
other. Oh, you believe that? You know, like the like the woman in
that went to Oregon to kill herself then we discovered it
with Britney Britney Britney got Kaiser Permanente and the new we
deconstructed it I probably would have just ignored the
story you know what actually brought it up I brought up the
Kaiser the fact that Kaiser likes to a relate to that to
your mom. Yeah, my mom's to try to get her out of there just
make me pay what they are legally obligated to pay. That
doesn't happen without the show right? Now is it important
though I really give a shit that Britney's up they're not up to
our Kaiser gets to get a better deal because he's getting toxic
people into killing themselves instead instead of them having
to care for them or the death panels happen I don't know maybe
it's who gets who gives a shit I got other things to worry about.
But I feel better knowing that yes, you'll feel better knowing
that this scam that these creeps are doing this I think it just
makes me a better citizen
and that that's maybe my maybe the real question why does it
work?
And I well I think if thing it makes you feel like a better
citizen I think it's important that people feel that way. When
you say I remember a long time ago that you went to see Uncle
Don and it was mag right Donna mag Yeah, she took you aside she
listened to the show I guess once in a while.
That was the first Hot Pockets tour and we did the show from
their driveway with the with the RV from Baron as Maggie.
She said to you you know you guys are patriots.
Yes Yeah, she she had taken notes. She had a notepad said
Yeah, patriots is exactly what she said.
And I think what we're gonna be we're not paid isn't any sense
of you know, John Payne or Thomas Jefferson. But I think in
terms of like, getting people to think the way the two of us
could in a combination combinatorial way, in other
words, the way we think together, I think is such a
healthy thing. I think that's patriotic. I think it's healthy,
to have to see things as they really are.
And is that why it's working? Is that why we are able to sustain
doing this? Because yeah, I feel healthier. My cousin's,
they feel better. They, they have some enlightenment, because
every show, we got some crazy thing we say that goes, that
they were they go to the thing to themselves? Wow, I would have
never thought of that. Now, a lot of the things that, you
know, when I as a writer, when I'm writing a lot of stuff,
which is contrarian, a lot of people will say I, you know, I
was thinking that, but I couldn't put it in those words.
And I'm complimented for saying what people are writing what
people think, in words that make a lot of sense. We do a little
of that, not as much as Revelation, which is beyond
that. It's like, I would have never thought of that. And it
happened with some stuff you bring up, I will say, I will not
I would have never thought it's not like, oh, he really that's
what I'm thinking. But he's putting it in words that I that
I couldn't put it in. And he's already that's what you've done.
No. It's complete revelation, which is an revelatory material
is uplifting. I think that's why people liked the show so much,
because you get uplifted by us, like a door has been opened that
you didn't even know is there. Okay. Now I'll take that it's a
little preachy, but it's, I think, is what it is. And that's
what I think is important. And that's what's kind of cool about
it, as opposed to just stating the obvious, or one of the
things I always thought the show was mostly about was that people
were kind of they scratched it because you know, this doesn't
sound right. And then we explained that it doesn't sound
right, because not right, here's what it is. And they Ah, yeah,
that's exactly it. That's different than opening a door.
Right?
We also really have we really, truly, really don't have an
agenda. people accuse us of me, certainly. We I really don't
give a shit. I like it. I like to, like doing it.
I don't know, I don't think we have you know, our agenda is to,
you know, Revelations, Revelations. It's a revelatory
thing. That's the but that's not an agenda. It's just like a
happenstance. So I don't know, we don't have an agenda. We're
not Republicans or not Democrats. I am an independent.
And I consider myself a libertarian. And he always got
these clips from the show to go with, it turns out that Charles
Koch, who was an early member of the John Birch Society, got
kicked out of the Birch Society because he ran into a
libertarian thinker, and became not only a staunch libertarian,
but one of the biggest supporters of the anti Vietnam
War movement. Now, which puts him on the camp of the left, and
they should be appreciated as such. But instead, he's reviled
by the left, when he's really have them. Is that is that the
same guy who are very suspicious about these guys? Is
that the same guy who pumps $25 million a year into PBS? Yeah.
Well, maybe that's their whole, their whole job is to be to look
evil.
I have no idea what the I think it's just because they have an
oil company. That's all it is. These guys hate oil. And they
want green, green, green, and they're going to shove it down
your throat with any technique they can. And it's going
nowhere, as we heard in even the clip from years ago,
they're super rich. It's always fun to bang against.
Rich or bad. Yeah. I mean, one of the brothers built an entire
ghost town in the middle of nowhere, and then we're in
Colorado, it's still there. It's like, you can't go there. It's
all fenced off. But you can get you some I'm actually working on
this, try to get an invite to go in there and take some photos.
But you can look it up Coke, put Koch brothers ghost town in
Google and you'll find it.
Well, as we start to kind of wind things down. I am a little
concerned about my own future, as it appears that there will
come a day which you have consistently predicted when
certain things will just not be able to be said on a podcast
that is received in the traditional manner through the
internet through ISPs that may or may not have to deem
something lawful or legal. I do worry about that.
I think it's premature to worry about it, but it's something you
should worry about eventually. And I think your your, I think
they're going to crack down on the cussing, they're going to
crack down on porn, they're going to crack down on content,
and you will need a license or even Luckily, my background I
think allows me to get most of these things because I have
enough credibility as a real journalist that I can pass the
test for a lot of these things that are going to eventually
appear. And yeah, I think there's gonna this is what net
neutrality is going to lead to the FCC, the government is going
to end up with controlling the what they feel they should
control which is the information streams. thing from from I don't
know where you could do it from actually there's no place left
in the world. I mean, Snowden is has to hide himself in Russia,
which is obviously caused all these issues. There's no place
you can go you can go offshore. Canada, maybe
it won't make any difference because the blockage or whatever
they'll call it, blockage blocking will be done at a local
level. Does it doesn't matter where you're doing it from? I
just worry about it. And then what is my future by though I
probably need to get something going. Okay. 15 more years.
Do you have to start early
15 more years of this show? And I'm 65 and then I stopped and
then what then dog food?
Now Mickey will probably murder you by the end. So I'm not
concerned.
Or Yeah. Or one of us. croaks. Well, that can
happen to that would suck. Yeah, that would it would limit the
opportunities for the show. Well, I think you should do a
product anyway, okay.
I just I have fears that's all I'm just saying. I have fears.
It's fine fears. Yeah. Easy for you to say. Do you have real
estate?
I do have real estate I can always fall back on real where I
tell everyone to get real estate. The minute we get a
little depressing clip here which I think no, that's don't
do that. Let's play that idiot Geraldo Rivera who makes more
money than we do. And on the marijuana clip number two,
are you feeling now? You know, the opposition will build
however they felt about it a year ago that was before a year
of some pretty seedy experience with the pot shops opening close
to schools and you know some rowdiness outside. I mean, you
know, it's that maybe the film is off the bud. Yeah, this
is the this is still baffling to me why California can't pass the
marijuana initiative.
I've always liked that we have a couple of skills that we can
always really talk about with authority aviation being one
that's one I can cover pretty well. Yeah. Marijuana being the
other one.
Talking about that pretty well. Yeah, yeah.
And you know, you have your your background in as a scientist and
air pollution controller or
refining, oil refining fine.
Yep. Which is just to throw all the way a lot of factories
when I was a kid, lots of factors. I've worked for Ford
Motor Company. I've worked for Trammell Beal was an inspector
done a lot, because I could do a lot back in the day. Now. They
don't have any opportunities. Kids are all noodle boys. It has
nothing to do some work in a noodle factory. Exactly. Now, I
do have one clip I like to get out of the way. This is Charlie
Rose. This was the clip that we this one we realized that
Charlie Rose is kind of a creepy guy in some ways. And when it
came to sex, do we want to do it? This is a clip that made us
realize he's obviously having an affair with somebody
instead of having the chance to appreciate their father.
And Elizabeth. This was Oh hold on. This was an Edwards his
wife, you know, the guy ran for vice president.
The guy who had the guy who had the hair cut
the hair Yeah,
instead of having the chance to appreciate their father as I had
for so long.
Why is sexual affairs so big deal?
It's about sex, right? He didn't love another person he loved
everybody knows that he knows it
and you know, why is this a big deal?
Or this this Jim, tell me about the sexuality it's in your DNA
Yeah, he's got issue now I had an old gold Gordon Brown clip
and I put it here for a reason but this is before this before
cameras how back far back the show goes is before Cameron and
then before you know I'm Blair.
And so next to Obama beach, we joined President Obama in paying
particular tribute to the spectacular the bravery of
American soldiers who gave their lives on Omaha Beach.
He said Obama beach didn't.
Yeah, he said Obama beach and he got so far said again, he
realized he's almost gonna say Obama beach again. Play it one
more time, so people appreciate this Gaff.
This is a very good gaffe.
And so next to Obama beach, we joined President Obama in paying
particular tribute to the spectacularly bravery of
American soldiers who gave their lives on Omaha Beach.
Oops. All right. I have my phone going off.
What else we need to discuss? John, what else do we need
to look at earlier, I made a little list and it will just get
these out of the way. about the about the creation of the show
notes, you talked about that? Bad signal,
Oh, bad signal. And this goes back a long time, we have a
number of apps certainly that were produced. When smartphones
really started coming out the show was evolving during the
smartphone. Certainly the iPhone and the whole birth of the
smartphone phenomenon, which is now of course known as tech
news. And people who were able to they were interested in
making apps that would help you listen to the show have
different and I don't really know how super successful they
are. But there's a number of them that are meant specifically
to listen to the live stream. And we have and depends but
probably about, on average 1000 people who listen live to the
show. And and a number of them are also in the chat at the same
time while we're doing the show, which which I find to be very
helpful. I like seeing some few I just like knowing there's an
audience out there saying often people will shout something in
the chat room or email. And it sometimes it's handy, or you can
add sometimes
corrections take place. Yes, absolutely. Real time.
Absolutely.
And as a part of that, you have the push notification, which was
kind of a new deal on the iPhone when it first came out. And so
you have this app installed on your iPhone, I believe it's also
works on one or maybe a couple of the Android apps. When I send
a tweet to exactly what it is. Anytime I send a tweet that
includes the the following hashtag at sign pocket, no
agenda, then whatever the the tweet is, the the notification
goes off, and I believe it the sound is the in the morning
sound. The notification pops up with you know, probably we're
live now no agenda stream.com. And that is known as the bad
signal. And there's different variations is a growl
notification that all kind of works on the on the same system.
It'd be interesting to know how many people still use it. But
it's surprisingly a lot of people that we've forgotten to,
to fire off the bat signal, which is obviously a call by
throw back a call back to the Batman the bad signal. Sometimes
I've forgotten to do it or forget, I forget the tweet with
that keyword. And people like oh, well, I missed the start of
the show. And they come into the chat room. 45 minutes after we
started Oh angry. If you look at no agenda stream.com right now
actually, I've added something. There's a countdown timer on. No
agenda stream.com. And the countdown timer is number of
days, hours, etc. Until the next show next live show. So right
now I have four as of this moment, one day, 21 hours, 26
minutes, 52 seconds. Oops, that's me, I think, shut up. So
other than that, just people like to be reminded, bam, you
gotta remind people of things all the time. It's a busy world.
That's why we have to remind people to help us out to
volterra.org/n A, which is another one of our little
secrets jingles work.
It's not much of a secret. I mean, it's Yeah, it is. Yeah, it
is. Apparently it is because nobody does them. Right. I mean,
there are still people using them but it's a well known. In
fact, the guy that was we talked about this on one of the oldest
shows a guy who ran it was in Canada and he would listen to
Canadian stations, some guy who invented the modern jingle in
the 20s, I guess was on and he radio jingles. And he was
talking about their effectiveness and kind of
lamenting the couldn't have been from the 20 Whatever it was,
that was some genius. I will assert he was lamenting the fact
that they're not appreciate aidid
I will assert that some of our jingles are actually healing for
the mind healing when you are being terrorized by your
government the number of times people have tweeted and said,
Oh, I heard the jingle when I saw this, therefore not being
terrorized about ISIS about to chop your head off. I think it's
beneficial.
Yeah. Probably is. Probably as we do a lot. I think that's
beneficial. And I hope people appreciate it and do go to the
divorce.org/na and take out a program of some sort as a
Christmas gift. And this is the Christmas show. It is indeed
2014
And I would like to ask you where you actually are at this
moment. My office, night being really on Christmas.
Oh, I don't know yet. I've made the important Angeles. I may be
in California. I'm not sure how, okay, I'm in Mexico. Oh, yeah, I
mean, Mexico.
We are doing
we are doing I didn't get there. I had an old clip about Mexico
saying don't go to Mexico. Whatever you do. I wanted to
play that little fear and yeah, okay. Yeah, I don't have
WTF Mexico. Is that it? Yeah, it might be it let's take a look.
Around 100 officers cordoned off the area after authorities
discovered a fresh mass graves on Saturday.
Okay, Mickey might be listening. Let's not do this right now.
Yeah, we're going in we're doing a non traditional no Christmas
tree. No Christmas Christmas. For Change.
Well, I didn't non Turkey Thanksgiving myself where
everyone else had Turkey.
I didn't have anything I had. shwarma for Thanksgiving. Yes.
You said that. I'm giving up on everything. I think I'm just
getting hung up on everything. Play that
play the jingle bells as we go out.
Yes, I shall. Wear the jingle bells. Anyway, John. Merry
Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
We will speak on Sunday. Yes, life live and I will be in
Mexico. All right. All things willing. All things being equal.
All things working the same.
If you're not in Mexico, you'll be somewhere else.
No, I'll be there. Just hopefully I'll be able to
connect. That's yeah, you'd
be able to hear in a good spot.
And I look forward to bringing you local news. Good. It's tough
to talk about ourselves. I don't know if I like it that much.
Yeah, we went too long. Yes, we have some people some insight.
They didn't have it. I think it was for new listeners. A lot of
people probably just turned it off.
Well, yes, maybe. The way I see. It was worth coming to you from
FEMA Region six here in the capital, the drone star states.
In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley. This is the kind of show
that a lot of you hoped we kept doing since the early shows. Now
you know why we don't have John C. Dvorak.
We'll be back on Sunday right here on no agenda.
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