What is he talking about? You don't get a time out. Adam
curry, John C. Dvorak.
Sunday December 21 2014. Time for your gizmo nation media
assassination episode 680
This is no agenda celebrating the Solstice
with a moon dance live from finger region six in the
capital, the drone Star State Boston Tea House in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm under attack by ants.
Johnson was killed.
This is not the first time this has happened that I can recall
on the show. But this has happened before.
I may have have short happens all the time. I'm glad live in
California were victims of the Argentinian and
I remember having this in Los Angeles. Remember, we had our
attack? Yeah, they had circled the whole house and then all of
a sudden guess is when the big rains came? Maybe?
Oh yeah. They don't like being in they don't like being
drowned. No.
And then they were coming through the light sockets. Oh,
yeah. You put something down on the ground like a cup for two
seconds and
then it's astonishing how quick they find something that
is this not something that goes all the way from the northwest
all the way down to Mexico and it's like one big colony this
super colony or this
is an interesting group they do not get to Washington.
Interesting group these these ants because it's
just one it's the only ant variety of ant that that doesn't
fight amongst themselves. So really, one giant collective
hive with the most answers, you know, one hive sees another they
go into both war try to kill each other. But if like for
example, you wipe out a nest of these things. Once the
stragglers and they go find another nest. They're welcomed.
So these like commie ants, yes, they're
communist dance. No wonder they're all over California.
And what are they got? They're Argentinian. That's what they're
called.
They're Argentinian ads. You can look them up fine. They're
annoying very annoying Yes, but they get it get it in their
heads that they can do you know be somewhere or do something
they it takes days to get rid of them
okay? Why don't we just wrap this up? How do you get rid of
them John?
You well you vacuum them up as fast as you can you block their
entrance you have the I use and block with poison Yeah, that
worked for I see him coming in of course then they move to this
coming in someplace else and you just keep doing that. One of the
things I've learned recently which is kind of gruesome, but
it works is you get one of the yes this is good information for
people on the coast or anyone is confronted by these ads. You get
a script Oh lighter.
A script dolla lighter Yeah, one of those lighters
is lighter guns. Oh, barbecues. Oh yeah. Find a bunch of these
and use you fry them we got to have the flame throwing Scripto
version Yeah, yeah, you fret you fry all there's many answers you
can all everyone you see moving you fry them all and leave them
there
so they send off a stamp and a message.
No, no, they get picked up. Oh, the dead answer Yeah.
Argentinian answer interesting because they used to build most
of their anthills they use their own dead compatriots. Oh,
my goodness. What an education I'm receiving here Middle
Ages used to do that with human skulls and stuff in Spain is
made out of skull. I
think we do that in Corpus Christi. Still,
I wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, so they take it a bit and when
they get the ones back that have been burnt to a crisp they send
out the words that Oh, this isn't good. And then they just
disappear. You don't see him again for weeks. Wow. Anyway,
well this is this is as long as they're not in the in the in the
kitchen cabinets. Once that happens then you're in deep
shit. Well, so
it's time to get to play with the promise you gotta be careful
don't catch the house on fire. But you know burning these hands
because you've died right now. Their paperwork. I
can't do we have Terminix take care of all this for us in LA.
I Oh, it's Yeah, but they don't keep you to problem with the
professionals. Is it? I don't think they really for one thing.
They're all high school drop. No offense. I know there's a couple
of guys, a lot of them don't give a damn and they just assume
kill you. Now.
It's fine, fine, fine. All right. You're in a bad mood
clearly.
Would you be in a bad mood? You had ants crawling all over? I
have so
much. Yeah, I can be in a bad mood. But I'm not going to be
the x I'm in a bad mood for different reasons. May I? Okay,
hit it. This past week, twice. And the week before that. I go
on Facebook, which as you know, I don't do regularly but I do at
least every 48 hours I'll check in. And again, it's two people I
know who are dead. And this is so depressing. Matthew Hennessy,
who works at my company in New York think new ideas and he had
moved to the Austin area. I don't know how long ago and when
I arrived here, and Matt is 41 42 was, and he's like, Hey, man,
it's Adam. Good. Good to have you here man. Twitter Facebook.
Is it? Yeah, we should have a drink. Oh, yeah, I've definitely
yeah, that was a good guy. So I'll figure we'll do that one
day. And then in your timeline show us Oh, well, he's dead.
Cool once Yeah. And well, I'll get to was eat 41 token sound
right now. Then we have Celeste Ruffo. Now we already lost
Warren cooker. Warren cuckoo. Reuleaux. There are two camera
people at MTV. Warren and Celeste and Warren died. They
probably both died of lung cancer because they were
smoking. We were all smokers back in and we'd be smoking in
the studio before we did a segment on put this put the
cigarette down. Warren died two years ago. And Celeste who was
Emmy award winning camera when went on after MTV to do a lot of
incredible stuff. But you know, it's like when somebody who for
seven or eight years you've looked at them looking at you,
you build up a very strange relationship, but it is a bond
of some sorts. And then it's like, oh, well, Celeste is dead.
62 Now here's the thing that pisses me off one I open up
Facebook, all I get is dead people. This is the fuck this.
This is annoying. To you never find out what happened because
that's what you want to say, shoo, what happened? What
happened? How did they die? But of course, everyone's too polite
and doing rip is a miss you. I want to know what happened. And
then of course, I sit down I just type in like, will somebody
please tell me what happened?
Did you do that? And it expressed this kind of, kind of
sort of wait a minute. So you're complaining about the politeness
and then you go polite?
No, I went on polite, actually. And I actually I even posted I
want to hold hands with everybody now and tell a secret?
Well, yeah, and then everyone thinks I'm a dick, of course.
But I really want everyone think you're a dick because then you
didn't do rip, you're not respectful. Rip rip rip. And I
realized that I'm 50. Now who knows how long I hope I live to
be like my grandparents 98 That would be great. And it'd be
really nice to be genetic hunchbacked over, but I'll have
all my hair and I'll be coming. Make sure you have a
cane that you can lift up those skirts.
That's it. That's a very, very, very good tip. Thank you. Thank
you for this tip. John C. Dvorak. C stands for cane and
now we know
it's becoming a good thing.
And it's it's very, yes, it's very, very versatile. But here's
what I here's what I realized. That's it when I die no matter
what it is. There'll be rip a slew of rip. Oh, Dana Miller. I
took Dana Miller died. Who said Dana Miller, Dana Miller was my
radio cindicator And Dana was his boyfriend died 25 years ago
of AIDS and Dana became this huge AIDS activist ran the Elton
John AIDS Foundation, the AIDS Project Los Angeles, and Dana,
and it was also a but he was a manager like Rick Springfield,
Corey Hart, but also the Andy Gibb like a real death around
Dana all the time. Every dodge died eventually, but but he was
a very strong force. Dana like 60 to
60 juicers to be the Yeah, and
I've been you know what everyone around Dana dies Dana doesn't
die. These ants are dying, that's for sure. And so anyway,
I realized that's what it's gonna be. I'm gonna die one day
and it'll be No sir. No one will care by the time I'm dead. No,
we'll just be just be a thread on Facebook. RIP,
RIP. Oh boy, Facebook, just to say this and rip,
everybody. When you post pictures of the dead people.
Well remember this one? Yeah, remember this one? And then
someone will come in and say, I just want to say right now I
love all of you.
It's about the method or the rationale or the reason for the
dead how we die, you know? Slow, miserable death tortured by
terrorists. Nothing.
No, nothing. And then no one's honest. Of course, you know, no
one's honest. though. It may be it's like a wake up
gin. Yeah, I know. There's been instances where somebody died.
And you say to yourself, Jesus was about time, that prick I
mean, that's what you think. I mean, what can you say? I mean,
that would seem to be something of you are being honest. It has
to happen with a number of people
now so so I'm now completely pissed off with this. And I call
let me know more Facebook. Let me go to Twitter. And then I see
now I've seen everything. I see a face photo with the caption
perfect rainy day breakfast egg roasting style potatoes and
English bangers posted by at the real Devorah you are now a food
social network tweeter yeah,
I've decided this is this is ruining everything knowing that
your this urge you to know extreme you know or that means
a lot more of this.
Well I have like, It's curious because JC started the idea he
started taking pictures of all the dinners.
Because it's so wrong. Your food looks like crap. It's hard to
make food look good. The bangers look undercooked. The egg is
burnt on the edges. The roasting looks kind of good. You put
ketchup on it to ruin the taste.
No, no, no. Ketchup in potatoes American way. That's true. And
abandoned. roasties roasty whatever it is. Yeah, the AG is
is is cooked hot. So I get a nice crispy little edge around
it. And Did did you actually, she would say whatever it is,
you're gonna bitch about it. So it doesn't mean anything.
Right? My opinion is useless. I totally
started taking pictures of all the dinners. And so I took a
few. He says I said what are you doing? He says I'm taking
pictures of the food. To post
it's time for this kid to get his own apartment. So
he says that he studied this. He says if you want to get more
followers, you want lots of pictures of food. He's
documented this that's interesting because I gotta get
over the hill here. I'm stuck at 99,000 followers I need to go to
like 100 Will
you if you blocked? If you unblocked a couple people maybe
your count would go up? I doubt it. I think I think that that
Doc from your count if you
Yeah, does. Yeah, once you block him you can actually
block a beat 200,000 If you unblock everybody down Yeah. Oh,
right.
So anyway, so I've decided I'm gonna follow suit and start
posting pictures of food with maybe some food tips
sad very sad. Well, the food tips will be good. All right.
The good news is I found a I found out that at Universal
Studios they have a Universal Studios the tour for if you've
never been on it, there's it's changed a lot over the years.
And you can get out and you don't have to sit in the stupid
bus the whole time. You probably don't have to sit in it at all
if you don't want to. But you know, Megatron, Megatron, Is he
is he a transcript talking about
Universal Studios in Los Angeles? Yes, yes, I am. The one
in Florida in Orlando is just like this might you might as
well be at Disneyland. Okay.
Megatron, Megatron is Megatron. Is he a transformer or is he one
of the yes it's a transformer? Yeah, so they have a dude in a
Megatron suit. And, and he is he has on a crusade against
selfies. And it's consistent. So here's this girl she she runs up
in front of Megatron and you have selfie? And listen to what
he then does you got to see the video actually it's even cooler
because the guy is you know it's in the suit like freaking out
behind her.
You will not receive a selfie so long as you stand before me
because you're ridiculous. First of all, you learn that your
status updates means zero to nothing new to anyone. Doesn't
matter which social network you posted on worthless use your
mind creates new memories interact. Don't just add it to a
library of photographs. Okay. Generation is by AI is good.
How disappointing your generation is exactly
subclipse is what you should save for an evergreen How
disappointing you're generally I tried
to isolate it but doesn't doesn't really doesn't really
work very well right now. No. But I like that and there's
always a backup gig for me, I guess.
Yeah, no, I think you could probably do that same grant
be the Megatron man. Well, you have your own version of it
Marika
Marika. Marika intended to say maraca but yeah, no, I
meant Marika. I
know you met Marika. Hey, John, do you know that we are from the
future? You wanna tell me more than you? But sometimes, you
know, by bringing you along on my future travel? Yeah.
And what happened? What's the latest from the future now?
Well,
I want to take us back to Episode 677 of the best podcast
and universe that was so good. So what's that now two weeks
ago? Was it in seventh September we on we're at so that's three.
Yeah, almost two weeks ago. Oh,
okay.
And here is what we talked we were talking about. Oh, we were
talking about Uncle Don, and how he agreed that, that South
Korea, we are performing a sales job on South Korea since they
are not going to be responsible for their own defense and OpSec
and we were kind of laughing about how we create all these
reasons for for countries and I guess companies to be worrisome
and it's a sales job everything we do is a sales job to sell
more weapons.
Right exactly. That's what we do to address the the President is
is essentially a reverse somebody would somebody would
point I pointed back and forth and email somebody and they came
they just said well, I don't understand why the
why the Oh, I know that I know that voice. I know this guy.
This chat was at the Chinese who bought all these Russian reactor
India. Oh, why didn't General Electric makes reactors How come
they didn't sell these reactors? Why is Russia get this 24
reactor contractors?
She broomball I'd say
and I well the besides I think that was pretty cheap ruble now
it's just a better deal. But no do the deal in dollars anyway,
ironically. And I said well, because this these deals this
sort of deals are done by this chief sales guy who is either
Obama or Putin was there you know, doing the deal to get this
contract signed? Because that's what they do. Yeah, there's the
President of the United States is the CEO of the military
industrial complex, literally his job to close the big deals
in one way or another. They call
him the chief executive.
Yeah, he's the chief executive.
Alright, so here we were talking about this in relation to South
Korea. And this is before the big Sony news. This is just us
talking about South Korea and of course the keeping North Korea
dangerous as part of the sales job to address the threats from
the Korean peninsula. This kind of tells you that at least for
the next period of that is now fine being financed that I
presume the bill is gonna pass we will see North Korea being
very very dangerous and us helping our and ourselves and
our allies
can you mentioned so? Stop? You're playing a clip.
Yes, I am playing a clip. Yeah. Well, you have to say I said,
we're playing a clip.
Yeah, you said that but then you never the transition was vague.
So it sounds like you're just still talking. That's how good
the quality of these audio is on our show. So sorry. I'm
listening to this and this is funny he said this exact same
thing what's he leading up?
Why is he doing this again? I'm actually I'm actually leading up
to you having the punchline
right. Okay, now started to do now start the clip now
whole Okay, over again, and I'll do I will separate it. To
address the threats from the Korean peninsula. This kind of
tells you that at least for the next period of that is now fun
being financed that presumed the bills gonna pass. We will see
North Korea being very, very dangerous, and us helping our
and ourselves and our allies and Japan and the Republic of Korea
with some sales. That's
fine. It feels sorry for the North Koreans because they're,
they're a punching bag. They're being vilified as a sales
mechanism.
They well, isn't it? Isn't that what the whole Axis of Evil was
to start with?
Well, it looks like it in hindsight.
There you go. We called it Yeah, of course. Oh, I'd forgotten
about it. Oh, completely forgotten about it. Well, I
haven't forgotten about the other angle that we're seeing
here which is
well your angle is right on the money John. Like completely
right on the money the angle of getting everybody to sign on to
the cyber sharing bill. And the President signed five bills in
the middle of the night. The ones we discussed all about the
sharing but even better than that. She just came out and said
it. Did you see this whole year Ender thing that he did I have
the two clips. Okay, I have a couple of clips too. So I'll
take your
that let me do my to do that. I tried to cut them down as much
as I can. And I have a couple other clips that are kind of
interesting side clips. Yeah. But well, here's the clip of I
want to play this clip first and make a comment on it. This is
the Obama we do not need to bid dictators telling us what to do.
So that's not who we are. That's not what Americans about. Again,
I'm sympathetic that Sony as a private company was worried
about liabilities and this and then the other. I wished they
had spoken to me first, I would have told them do not get into a
pattern in which you're intimidated by these kinds of
criminal attacks. Imagine if, instead of it being a cyber
threat, somebody had broken into their offices, and destroyed a
bunch of computers and stolen discs, and
did this clip, he rolls off it goes off the rail with this
clip.
Yes. Did you also see Sony CEO Michael Lintons response? No, I
didn't. I have this. It's a little longer than what you just
did. But the whole thing is great. And it's something very
fascinating. The very beginning of this president says Sony made
a mistake. And by the way, Sony rebutted earlier in in print
that they had contacted the I think they said the CIA, which
is interesting since the FBI came out with the analysis and
the weak forensics. But they said we were in touch with the
authorities from day one. So that's not true that they didn't
contact anybody in the film.
Did you make a mistake?
No, I, I think actually, the unfortunate part is in this
instance, the president, the press and the public, are
mistaken as to what actually happened. We do not own movie
theaters, we cannot determine whether or not a movie will be
played in movie theaters. So to sort of rehearse for a moment,
the sequence of events. Now this
was very interesting when I heard him say this. This is how
media training and PR can go awry. And I didn't notice it
until I heard the clip. I was watching the video first.
Instead of saying to review the timeline. He says Let's rehearse
the timeline. I heard that too, which is interesting, which to
me means that he was rehearsed. And someone said, Okay, let's
rehearse the timeline again. Well, don't you think?
I'd like to believe that's, that's what he's that he's in
the business of using words wrong, you know, and that's his
business and somebody just doesn't know the right word,
movie theaters, we cannot determine whether or not a movie
will be played in movie theaters. So to sort of rehearse
for a moment, the sequence of events from we experienced the
worst cyber attack in American history.
Okay. I don't know about that. That's dubious Shelly Adelson
might have a different view of that as his casino, but they
stole millions of dollars and shut down his operations at
banksearch Row knows this is totally but it's rehearsed,
and persevered for three and a half weeks under enormous
stress.
And by the way, I have people on the inside and I have a couple
emails to share. The network is still down inside Sony people's
machine. desktop machines are still have the the desktop GOP
image, which of course is easy to deploy if you're in an IT
environment
and enormous difficulty. And all with the effort of trying to
keep our business up and running and get this movie out into the
public. Oh, yes. When it came to the crucial moment, when a
threat came out from what was called the GOP at the time,
threatening audiences who would go to the movie theaters. The
movie theaters came to us one by one. Over the course of a very
short period of time, we were completely surprised by it and
announced that they would not carry the movie. At that point
in time. We had no alternative but to not proceed with a
theatrical release on the 25th of December. So we had that's
all we did. So you have not caved in your we have not caved.
We have not given in. We have persevered and we have not
backed down. We have we have always had every desire to have
the American public see this movie. You are well
known as a somebody who's supported President Obama. Yes.
Were you disappointed in whatever today?
I would be fibbing to say I wasn't disappointed. I you know,
the President and I haven't spoken. I don't know exactly
whether he understands the sequence of events that led up
to the movies not being shown in the movie theaters. And
therefore, I would disagree with the notion that it was a
mistake. It's a general really held view by the public and the
press that that's what happened and maybe that's how that view
was was held by by him but knowing as I do the the facts
and how they and how they've been unfolded, you know, we
stood stood extremely firm in terms of making certain that
this movie would appear in movie theaters. Yes,
it's a very important important piece of work. And I will say
that you know, the Christmas Day release is you do focus a lot of
energy on that. Well, a lot of money a lot of promotion.
It air the shell, who is a big movie buff, oh, ages, I don't
have these in front of me. But he went off the top of his head
with about 10 blockbusters that are all coming out around the
same time. And it'd be crazy to bring this movie because it's
gonna fail. Well,
I don't know. I mean, this is the movie itself, as we know is
this is not important. No, I made it was made important all
of a sudden just made a note. The cybersecurity bills are
signed, did you get the President talking about the
actually got about
the signing, but let me play the rest of these couple of these
clips. This is the we do not push up put up with the this is
the WE DO NOT part two. But that's a
that's a play that I played Part Two first, I'm sorry. You know,
no wonder it didn't make sense. Yes, my mistake, I want to play
part one now then,
no skip part one, I didn't play that confirming goal of
government. This is where my thesis this is all about getting
these companies scared. So they have to join with our genius
government, who can't even run a public health website. But they
want they're going to help you.
When I came into office, I stood up cybersecurity interagency
team, to look at everything that we can do at the government
level. To prevent these kinds of attacks. We've been coordinating
with the private sector, and he got a whole lot more needs to be
done. We're not even close to where we need to be. And one of
the things in the new year that I hope Congress is prepared to
work with us on is strong cyber security laws that allow for
information sharing, across private sector platforms, as
well as the public sector, so that we are incorporating best
practices and preventing these attacks from happening in the
first place.
These are all now passed, the President signed five of them,
we read at least two of them to you the cybersecurity sharing.
Bill is is in is in. I'm but I'm very worried. John, I need to
come on. Can I take you another sidetrack for a moment? You
do that? I just want to make some bad comment, which is the
Sony guys very disappointed all the rest of it. But he he
obviously is be he he doesn't get what's going on. Now. He
doesn't and of course not what's going on, it's got nothing to do
with Sony or anybody else's to get these damn companies to
join, you know, to do a deal with the government intelligence
agencies to share data. And this is going to be it and this is of
course, a continuation of a fascist state and, and raishin
and government working together.
And it's also part of the sales job.
Right? Yeah, no, it's a double hit.
Now let's, uh, when when will it now here's where it gets a
little frightening. I'm perusing around, and there's the Texas
Tribune. Newspaper, and they have they do this, I don't know,
regular interviews, the I guess the the editor in chief. And
they bring on a freshman Congressman, who will be who was
just now voted in and who will be a Republican in the House
starting next January, whenever they start the new session. His
name is Wil Hurd. Hu rd, and we'll heard is a it's I think
it's unprecedented. He is going to be chairing not a committee,
probably a subcommittee of the Intelligence Committee. He will
be on the department Homeland Security Committee. This is not
very typical, or let's just say it's a typical for a freshman
Congressman to come in. Now. This guy, I think, is very
dangerous. We have to keep our eye on guys like this. And he's
he looks like he's seven feet tall black guy from Texas
wearing boots. You know, he's got he's got a very dynamic.
Look. He's got a very big presence about him. He claims
that he is well, he's an expert in everything. And this is what
really bothered me about the guy who was always saying like, Oh,
yeah, well, you know, this is, in fact, let me let me play this
out of order. I'll tell you why I didn't trust him right off the
bat. He's asked about President Obama's actions on Cuba. And
here's what he says. Now,
you know, people were talking about, you know, the embargoes
Get Lifted Well, that's gonna take an act of Congress, you
know, the Liberty right act of of 86 kind of codified or
embargo with them, so Hey, I look forward to being in that
conversation and having conversation because that's my
background. That's my, my expertise.
So this is background. That's his expertise. But then later
he's going to talk about his background. His expertise is
computers and cybersecurity. The problem here is the Libra Todd
Act was 1996, not 1986. So right off the bat, I'm like this guy.
And if they said 76, he said, 86, it's 96. And so right away,
I'm like, This guy, this I don't like this guy. And then now
let's This is the kind of person because of course, we know,
almost nobody knows computers, they don't run computers, they
don't have iPads. They don't know anything in Congress. We've
we've seen this time and time again, Janet Napolitano ran
Department of Homeland Security, but she claimed she did not use
a computer or didn't write a lot of people. She said, a lot of
these people don't, can't won't don't understand it. Now they
bring in this one guy. And of course, in the land of the
blind, one eye is king. And this you can hear how he speaks. He's
a Silicon Valley douchebag from Texas. Hey, guy, and yeah, but
that listen to how he Trump's his CIA credits.
You know, this, this is something I have a little bit of
experience while
you're a cybersecurity guy. So you understand, yeah, I'm
a cyber security guy.
My degree was in computer science. Alright. It's an array
when it's just right all the time was in the CIA. I was
undercover officer and my job was collecting intelligence on
threats to the homeland. I also did some offensive cyber
operations.
Oh, I did some offensive cyber operations. This this guy sounds
like he's full of shit.
Yeah, he's a phony as well, penetrating the networks of
folks that were hostile to us. Oh, and then, you know, when I
got out of the agency and been in business last five years, I
helped start, can you
even talk about that? If he was CIA can even say, Yeah, we
penetrated some networks of folks that we can even talk
about these things like seems very unlikely. I don't think so.
To us. And then, you know, when I got out of the agency and been
in business last five years, I helped start a cybersecurity
company. Oh, really?
Oh, he helped start a cybersecurity company. So we're
not going to come in because he knows everything about
cybersecurity or at least how to outsource it.
We basically breaking the banks, steal their money, show them how
we did it.
breaking the bank, steal their money, show it and hate this guy
to protect
our digital infrastructure. He saw his
obvious Boney Yeah, but
this listen to how he's gonna be running the show threats to
this is not the first dumb Fox has been running the show that
Obama brought in, if you remember, well, old skip logic,
whatever his name was. CTO at Kandra. Kandra.
Oh, you know, we also have Meg. Megan Smith is now the CTO.
Yeah, Megan Smith, she's writing me letters. Hold on, let's
finish this guy, you gotta hear
our digital infrastructure is coming from all places. And one
of the things that I think the federal government does a poor
job of, is we nicing bullshit artists. And the federal
government goes in and ask business, tell me more about
this threat, you know, we need to learn more, how are they
doing this? Give us the details in getting down into ones and
zeros, right. But the federal government rarely goes back and
helps a business and gives the business information on the
threat that they may know, in order to help that business
protect themselves. And I think this is probably one of the
examples and and I'm excited because I'm gonna be in a
position to do something about this in this next Congress. I'm
going to be on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
This is a committee that investigated Benghazi or the
investigation of Benghazi got started, right. This is where
Fast and Furious was investigated. And I'm gonna be
the chairman of a subcommittee on Information Security and
Information Technology. Right. And so I'm the only pressure for
a
laugh geo net. Well, yeah,
that's a has a chair of a subcommittee. And to be able to
use my background experience on this issue and talk about
information sharing, talk about the threats to some of these
other groups and how that we can work to protect our critical
infrastructure is frightening to you all, how we can do this to
protect our nation and ultimately consumer information.
But
you're also on the Homeland Security Committee. As of last
week, Chairman Cole has has arranged for you in writing, I'm
looking for the members of the of the Homeland Security from a
homeland security perspective, is it a good idea to come back
the original question, though, for us to be essentially
capitulating to the threats and demands of the peoples and
events? Odds
now look, you don't you don't negotiate with with baggage you
don't negotiate with terrorists. And to me in this case, you
know, we should shame the North Koreans, in my opinion, when it
comes to their technical sophistication. You know,
they're in kind of tier two. And look, we shouldn't capitulate
for these guys. Yeah, you know, it's we need to roll up we need
to roll up. Make a fist, sometimes
make a fist. These people scare me John. These are the people
who are going in right he's a bull crap artists. You're right.
That's what he is. Read a cybersecurity of after doing
offensive cyber attacks in CIA, which I can't talk
for the banks and show them how we did it. Yeah, charging them
for it this sub clip from the banks it's shown
again that's what I that's my next my next career stealing
from the banks show him how he did it Steven from the bank show
him how he did it Jake I'm not a doctor and neither were you
dammit Jim I'm a doctor not a diplomat and you go email quick
emails the insider emails dude named Ben okay okay let me just
said these have been redacted obviously because these are
people who are inside or close or whatever. So this job not as
easy as flipping on a switch I'm sure you know the FBI and Sony
to the best of their knowledge believe it to be North Korea,
but read enemies and I would say the book enemies The book
describes about as competent as I think the FBI are okay, I
think it's North Korea. This is our our insider but I think it's
also an inside job. I believe there to be a number of groups
involved. He says di N Ben hacktivists North Korea the cash
symbol the true culprits will never be found. This is no
simple job. Now here comes the interesting part. Ever since
Bain Capital came in and started going after middle management
this does not surprise me. I even saw Bain This is Mitt
Romney's company. I even saw Bain take a long time to take a
longtime executive directors office and kick them out just
because the bain dude like the view is it customary that Bain
stays inside the company whose people it is trying to fire I
would say yes that is very customary. This is what these
guys do. So Bane were really the people who came in and started
to clean house. And then from a visual effects inside I've been
working in the visual effects industry for over 15 years been
part of huge visual effects centric films James Bond Harry
Potter films, Disney Marvel, you name it. I have plenty of
friends at Sony. Here the points I reckon are worth noting about
Sony and why I do agree this should have this probably
started as an inside job and spun out of control in the media
manipulation machine. So an interest only picture image
works is what the digital division this is what we were
talking about the disgruntled employees due to tax credits
offered by Canadia they were relocating work to Vancouver.
Now there's tax credits there for the studio so not the
company's doing the work. Lots of people lost their jobs and or
were asked to move to Vancouver think about 1000 people that
have worked in invested in a place for years with families
and everything. Sony Pictures Imageworks used to be at the
forefront of this industry winning Oscars making kick ass
technology and movies. The last two years have been horrible.
Morale was low. Movies are bad. From Smurfs to Hotel
Transylvania, people were losing their jobs and those who moved
are working for crap movies. On top of that, the top technology
officers quit adding fire to everything. All this is
something I've lived through the eyes of my colleagues very
possible this started in that division because of just the
people just completely bummed out. And the visual effects
industry has always been under pressure. Oh, yeah. No union and
all kinds of crap. No, they
fact, I was a special on one of these. One of the, I think it
was on PBS actually. And they were talking about these, these
guys. They're like vagabonds, they start one company like
visual, Industrial Light and Magic. And then they have spin
offs. And then they destroy all their models and go digital. And
it's expensive to start up because the computer power you
need to do this with modern stuff, not just a couple of
iPhones. And it's then you never get paid enough. You always get
ripped off by the studio's uh, you know, because it's very
expensive to do some of these things, it looks you know, it's
not using the computer doesn't make the film cheaper, right? If
you do it right, you know, the real deal. And ya know, it's a
nightmare.
And I believe that have no have no union, I think that's the
main thing
was because they're all independent. So if you look on
the, on the credit roll, it's always these little companies
that they used to do this and that, and you know, they're not
going to unionize, they can't afford it.
Let's look at their two fabulous quotes from the media. Now, as
you know, one of my pet peeves is how the press reports on
matters of technology, because they think technology is tech
which means phones. And there's very little information really
about what is going on here is first rich, Laurie. He's from
the National Review and listen to how he perceives what
happened inside Sony.
What do you make of it? What do you make of what Obama said
about it? Where do we all take all this?
The whole of this, by the way is on PBS
issue is astonishing. And just extremely disturbing. It's like
Adolf Hitler being able to reach into this country in the 1930s
and stop Charlie Chaplin from making fun of him. I mean, this
is a Seth Rogen a James Franco movie, it's a threat to no one
And if they didn't just reach in and steal these emails which
were disseminated all over the place, I mean, they really tried
to prevent the functioning of the company by melting its hard
drives and all the rest of it.
Okay, hello, hello. But I doubt they melted the hard drives. I
don't think they melted the hard drives. So
I really, it's a very bad precedent. I think they should
have released the movie in one form or another everybody saying
if they couldn't have gotten it in theaters, given the terror
threat, they should have released it online. And it's
ultimately a national security issue. It's agents of a foreign
power reaching into this country and punishing a movie movie
studio for exercising its free speech rights in a way that
foreign power doesn't like.
You know, there was a clip I don't know if I have that. On
this. Well, yeah, I do. I want to play this because I got a
comment on this. See what Andrea Mitchell Brooks, this is, you
know, Brooks and shields a little to Tucson that commentate
on PBS news hour
or the dancing. Summer Wine. Summer Breeze. Oh, that's always
a group.
It's good. Mr. Brooks and done. Anyway, some Brooks and shields
they come out and did that we've closed the book on themselves
when they both came out in favor, you know, with the with
the CIA, who cited you? We played MLS already sold out. So
we know that they're stooges. All right. So here's another
example of a celebrity guest. They're all in now. So this is
Brooks in his comments. And this is Brooks proves he's a stooge
cyber attack on Sony Pictures. First of all, the president said
flat out today that Sony made a mistake. What do you think?
Yeah, I guess I think so. You know, it's, it's, you know, like
I said, we can't have a country where people are self censoring.
And
don't attack if this was the President even said self
censoring. Yes.
They've done a movie about a civil rights figure. And a bunch
of races said we're going to do something to your company for
you unless you pull this movie and I pulled the movie would
have been cleared up in a disgraceful thing to do. And so
I think this is somewhat similar. I do have some sympathy
for Sony they're out there all alone. Spending apparently $9 to
target them
back it up how many millions a billion dollars you got to hear
this this is funny hold on the action
problem. The companies have to stick together the government
has to say an attack on
was it back further back or the a sorry,
they pulled the movie would have been clear would have been a
disgraceful thing to do. And so I think this is somewhat
similar. I do have some sympathy for Sony they're out there all
alone against a country with spending apparently hundreds of
million dollars to target them. Apparently,
they spend the current North Korea which is broke by the way
they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars to coins
Bitcoins. John Bitcoin, it's got to be Bitcoin. He should have
thrown that in there spending hundreds of millions of dollars
in Bitcoin.
Yeah, I heard Yeah. Yeah, I want to talk a little bit about the
self censoring thing.
To replay the President's comment real quick. I have that
here. But itself. So I had the self censorship
thing here. One of the things in the new year that I hope
Congress is prepared to work with us on is strong cyber
security laws that allow for information sharing, across
private sector platforms, as well as the public sector, that
we are incorporating best practices, and preventing these
attacks from happening in the first place. But even as we get
better, you know, the hackers are gonna get better to some of
them are going to be state actors. Some of them are going
to be non state actors.
Some of them will be from Microsoft.
All of them are going to be sophisticated, and many of them
can do some No. We cannot have a society in which some dictator
some place can start imposing censorship here in the United
States. Because if somebody is able to intimidate folks out of
releasing a satirical movie, imagine what they start doing
when they see a documentary that they don't like or news reports
that they don't like. Or even worse, imagine if producers and
get to editors and others start engaging in self censorship
took a long time. All right, so let's talk about that was
actually my clip that you didn't play. Self censorship, but let's
think about this. First of all, let's Does anyone remember the
movie The 1976 film, the Prophet, the messenger has had
different titles, the Prophet, the messenger, or Mohammed, that
movie they were, it was the sin. It was just it was. We all said
it. That movie was brought out amidst a bunch of thought laws
that said, you can't bring this movie out because you cannot
depict Mohammed. And they they counted them theaters to drop,
the movie was never released. And it was a big controversy at
the time was a big deal. And the and So ever since then, the self
censorship took place. And they've never done a movie
anything like this again, and that was in 1976. And if we
think about more recently, when somebody didn't self censor like
Juan Williams, who got fired from PBS for saying that he'd be
he would always thinks twice when he sees a bunch of Muslims
coming on an airplane. And they fired him. Vivian. Schiller's
Yeah, crowd fired him for just horrible yes thing. Just
suggesting that he has feelings about this. And self censorship.
I brought this up, I had a meeting with the next New York
Times editor was working on a book. And we're talking about
the early days of tech reporting and how things have changed in
many the opinions expressed are the ones that we talked about in
this show. But one of the things I did say, I brought up to him,
I said, Well, you know, if you're a writer, you do a lot of
self censoring. This is what you do. If you're working for Time
Warner, you're not thinking of doing an expose a on the creepy
when I was just updated back when I was working at MTV when I
got into MTV, but before I was even on the air, I did an
interview with TV Guide. And there were, which was big back
in the day, it mattered. And the question was, yeah, what do you
think of Madonna when you interviewed her? So I didn't I
didn't like her too much. They lost their shit over that. Don't
you ever, ever say anything like that about Madonna? And then
from then on, or like, guess what, I didn't say anything bad
about Madonna?
Of course not know why this is the way the media works. Yeah.
But meanwhile, I thought was interesting. There was a
disparity in belief systems, because I know a number of New
York Times reporters, and I've discussed this in fact, they
discussed it with one of them after I had this meeting. And I
said, you self censor? Just hell. Yeah, of course. I'm
talking about this is an editor of the New York Times. And I say
I tell him this about the self censoring. Well, I hope to god
no writers do that on my watch. And then he says, I don't anyone
at the New York Times practices such a thing. Wow. Well, dead
serious to the editors, even though they'll do what they did
to you, which is come up to you and say, You better not do that.
They are in a dream world. In
fact, it's always said as they up at the office, they the
suits, those people don't suits the suits. Yeah. I have a John.
Barro, Josh, Barro, New York Times reporter. And I believe
that these New York Times reporters are so freaked out
about this. So the censorship issue probably this is why
they're coming. They keep saying, Well, we have to get
this movie out. We have to get this movie out because they feel
that maybe it's their chance. Now some you know what I mean?
John's there's something weird about everyone saying we gotta
get the movie out. They should put the movie out, man because
we can't have them censoring us freedom of speech.
I think he's overcompensating. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're
censoring themselves constantly.
Are you ready for what Josh Barrow who? What does he write
his New York Times? Right Josh barrel? Let me take a look. Who
is this Gosh, arrow. This is Josh. look him up. Ba RR. Oh, I
think it is. Josh Barrow opinion journalist.
He's a columnist, says he's a neoliberal
and Republican, whatever, domestic
liberal, a neoliberal Republican person in the world. I'm looking
at Wikipedia. He's currently a neoliberal is a domestic course
right. Mises
calls themselves a neoliberal is considered one of the worst
people, you get some worse, long story. I'm not gonna go into it.
But it's like, it's something not to be proud of. In other
words, he's a Clinton Republican. Here we go.
Listen to what his idea is how we should I mean, of all the
things you could do, John, how can you force Sony's hand to
releasing this movie online? What would you in your wildest
dreams? What would What a way to do this be?
The deal the movie and release it?
I think the hack teaches us an important lesson, which is the
risk that corporate America is a soft underbelly for attacks from
outside. And I think you know, you had the president basically
calling out Sony for being cowardly, saying as it was a
mistake to pull the film he wishes they'd called him before
doing that. But the thing is, it's not Sony's job to project
American strength to the North Koreans and it's not Sony's job
to discourage further attacks that are likely to come on
companies other than Sony, by showing that attacks won't be
successful. That is the job of the government. But one
unconventional thing I actually think The government should do
is I think they should seize the interview by eminent domain and
release it. It's a non traditional use of eminent
domain, but you can use eminent domain on intangible property,
it would be for a bonafide public use, which is to
demonstrate that if you perpetuate an attack for the
purpose of preventing a release of a movie, you will fail. It's
clear, it seems to me that probably the last thing Kim Jong
on wants is for people to see this movie. So the government
can take it and air it on PBS and put it on government
websites, or show it in post office and let a maniac but
basically, I think it is showed him some sort of response from
the government that shows that this attack will not achieve its
objectives. We can't rely on Sony to do that. And then we
have to think also more broadly, if other attacks like this
happen, probably for a less frivolous purpose than this,
what are we doing to ensure that there is a response that that
responds to these proportionally and discourages those attacks?
Because we can't rely on the companies themselves to
undertake responses when they are attacked in a way that is
important to
eminent domain? John, that's the way to go eminent domain
exactly what I said. Yeah, steal the movie and then release it,
which would be was that is eminent
I do want to just briefly the FBI. Did you read their their
full on statement about
not read the full on statement? I know you would. Yeah. And it's
it's very, very disturbing to and it's really just one pager.
I just like to go through this for a second. Today the FBI
would like to provide an update on the status of our
investigation to the cyberattack. In late November by
the group called himself guardians of peace. The FBI has
determined that the intrusion into Sony SPE has their what
they're calling it. Sony Pictures Entertainment Network
consisted of deployment of destructive malware and the
theft of proprietary information as well as employees personally
identifiable information etc, etc. After discovering the
intrusion SPE requested the FBI as assistance although they say
it was CIA. Since then FBI has been working closely with the
company throughout the investigation. Sony has been a
great partner in the investigation. Hello, Pay
Attention everybody and continues to work closely with
the FBI. Sony reported the incident within hours which is
what the FBI hoped all companies will do when facing a cyber
attack. Sony's quick reporting facilitated the investigators
ability to do their jobs and ultimately, to identify the
source of these attacks. So message here, and from Fortune
500 companies I'm hearing dudes named Ben everywhere, saying the
executives are all in on sharing with the FBI, anything and
everything. As a result, our investigation and in close
collaboration with other US government departments and
agencies were unnamed. The FBI now has enough information to
conclude that the North Korean government is responsible for
these actions. While the need to protect sensitive sources and
methods precludes us from sharing all of this information.
Our conclusion is based in part the need to put it what don't
What are you asking questions for citizen? While the need to
protect sensitive sources and methods precludes us from
sharing all of this information. Our conclusion is based in part
on the following three points one technical analysis of the
data deletion malware using this attack revealed links to other
malware the FBI knows North Korean actors previously
developed. For example, there were similarities and specific
lines of code encryption algorithms, data deletion
methods and compromised networks, which you can buy. You
can buy this alright, that's so that's not real. That's shady.
stuff. You can just buy cash Yeah. To order a line of script
kiddies stuff.
The FBI also observed significant overlap between the
infrastructure used in this attack and other malicious cyber
activity the US government has previously linked directly to
North Korea, the internet for Yeah, for example, the FBI
discovered that several Internet Protocol IP addresses associated
with known North Korean infrastructure communicated with
IP addresses that were hard coded into the data deletion
malware and used in this attack. All completely debunk Kabul you
can show how you could use this this is no proof. Third,
separately. The tools used in the SPE attack have similarities
to a cyber attack in March of last year against South Korean
banks and media outlets, which was carried out by North Korea,
which I think was not not conclusively determined, was
bullcrap. Just the media saying it was
only kidding with these guys, North Korea is cut off from the
internet. They don't have any the skills. It just doesn't make
any sense at all.
I want to point out that in the past 12 years Sony has been
hacked a total of 56 times let us not forget the 2011
PlayStation Network hack where they literally had users
passwords and names and usernames in an Excel
spreadsheet. This is this is not it. Sony has been warned over
and over again just by being the target of attacks. The Sony
definitely has culpability in what happened here. This
seriously if you look at the list 56 times reasonably serious
intrusions into their network
regarding the me see what I have you have two more. Oh, yeah. I
have the the CNN piece about North Korea's response. I of
course I don't speak the language. So we can only go by
what they say is the correct translation. It doesn't really
matter. This is the message that is being propagated about North
Korea's response in this CNN package, which I've edited down
actually.
Just hours after President Obama. I'm sorry, that is
actually a sound effect. They sweeten this video to see the
President he's walking down the steps of Air Force One in Hawaii
where he's on vacation, but for some reason they need to put
this big jet landing sound in even though you don't see a jet
landing it kind of mess with my head.
Just hours after President Obama plans in Hawaii for the
Christmas holiday. What are you gonna pay? We still told them
like the regime lashes out via its state run television. With
all of its usual bluster. The regime slams the US government's
investigation of the Sony hack as childish, that North Korea is
being framed, saying it can prove its innocence without
using any torture methods like the Americans
say that I thought was genius cute.
Those digs come in response to President Obama that the
evidence points to Pyongyang. North Korea directly rebuked the
President saying it is the one who should respond after insults
to its supreme leader. But as it will not conduct terror against
innocent movie goers.
And notice that this is not part of what the newscaster said. So
I don't know where it's coming from rather
target the originators of the insults the movie and the
Hackett Sony also gotten North Korea's bank roller and ally
China to respond in China's state run Global Times and
editorial calls and movies vicious mocking of Kim senseless
cultural arrogance, and that China was once a punching bag
for Hollywood. But now that the Chinese market sits as a
goldmine for us movies, the teasing shifts to impoverished
North Korea, the North Koreans and their fiery rebuttal to
President Obama by curiously suggesting that the two
countries work together in a mutual investigation to find the
real culprits.
I love this as the narrative was very curious. I mean, what are
they crazy? Are they going to suggest we work together with
them to prove their innocence? What is
the most obvious thing about this is typically a cyber
terrorist, if it's going to be all of a sudden become what
they've got the North Koreans dubbed as like the ultimate. I
mean, these guys are the biggest cyber terrorists ever. They're
so talented, would usually take credit for something like this.
At rare that ever does, especially when we've projected
them as this extreme testicle group together. I bet we did
that. They know that if they took credit for it, they'd be
busted eventually because they didn't do it.
There's one other anomaly that kind of flew under the radar.
Just before this all really exploded and came to light
President Park of South Korea had this was all over the news
for about 10 hours and in
a message ahead of the ASEAN Korea Commemorative Summit,
President Buck says the 10 ASEAN member countries having
diplomatic relations with both South and North Korea can be of
great help as the old prepares for a peaceful unification of
the peninsula. She added a unified Korea would contribute
to peace across East Asia as well now celebrating just how
much Korea and ASEAN have developed. Tyson's first opening
dialogue. 25 years ago, President Bush said the two
sides should forge ahead with the name of enhancing the
quality of life for their respective citizens. The two day
San Korea summit will begin in the southern port city of Pusan.
This is not good, we can't have any talks.
Numbers, there's numbers we're losing out here if these guys
ever unite
and I know from dawn that he he has had very good conversations
with Park and he has always said he hopes she has the courage to
push ahead. But I don't think we ever talked about this but it
just hit me he said yeah, I really hope she has the courage
to push ahead and go for unification but he said he said
it's gonna be very difficult. So here's this big grandiose
statement about oh, you know, we could look at some unification
get it out of this. This is
not gonna work. This is If this cannot happen it's gonna lose
their ads. This is bad no no, we can't have this. And finally,
something from the State Department I like this this is a
two parter. Of course we don't have is not really the mat and
Marie show because it's Jen
I'm watching Jen with it in mind that she's really good Yeah, I
think you're right she's really good cold blooded
you have to be you gotta you gotta have ICL
stuff she's does have generic gets flustered and she knows
when to cut it off. And they have to Artie keeps playing her
a lot because we gotta get one of the RT women in them in the
questions and they always show her camera and the question that
she's asking some question that Jen just puts up with very
annoying
well this is a two parter the set now this is Matt with a very
very good setup. And it's based upon emails which have there's a
lot of emails now who know you don't know any authenticity of
these emails but the emails apparently say that there was
the deputy sheriff's deputy Deputy Secretary of State was in
your being consulted on the movie and he was in fact I have
I think I have some of the at least what they're saying is a
copy of the email but a couple of people are and this makes
total sense of being consulted and said oh you know I spoke to
someone higher up they're all in this is good. You should
definitely go ahead with the with blowing his head up but
maybe cut the actual blowing up seeing out but let's look of
terror as you know, he's going to blow up all it's very
detailed in in their conversation about this this
movie,
by the way, if they're that detail, what gave you the
interrupt? What causes had the blowout blow up?
Oh, he's in a helicopter and I think is some
rockety swallow a hand grenade. That's the kind of thing
usually, you know, get some stuffed in his mouth and
everyone jumped out and he blew up the helicopter, the
helicopter with him. You know, very common thing would happen a
lot. Exactly.
Not exactly sure. Doesn't really matter.
This morning. Sights, these emails that were hacked from
some Sony executives emails saying that this
stinks. Matt needs an education to this. It's no longer
acceptable as a professional journalist to say these emails
were hacked. Let's get some terminology down people
Department officials signed off on or gave the okay to
roll on it second. Now, I didn't have this guy's gonna mention
this. Brooks, though, who just went on and on about how this
was so terrible. am He and I guess he I think he's on another
clipboards further on down the line. He makes a big deal. And I
think there's a piece of this in that clip I played a big deal
about the all these emails saying that news media should be
responsible. This is a classic to me and not reveal any of
these emails because they're stolen property went on about
that whole thing. And now I didn't realize at the time
because I said what some who cares? And then if it's a bunch
of State Department stuff that got out. Yeah, I would say
that's the reason for taking that approach. Oh, what's
irresponsible of the news media.
And guess what? You haven't seen this in the news anywhere? Have
you?
No, that's not been reported. This is only on this. This is
borderline Clip of the Day.
Now the Clip of the Day is what is where Matt hammers at home.
This is just lovely setup. Getting gentles screwed up movie
that's caused such a kerfuffle, when did the State Department
get into the business of telling movie studios what they can and
kind of
red herring. What do you mean, we created the movie business?
We are not. So Department officials just so all of you
know routinely meet and consult informally with a wide range of
private groups, certainly including executives from movie
studios and a range of private sector companies and individuals
secret seeking information about US foreign policy and US views
on developments around the world. Our message in public and
private is the same. We respect artists and entertainers rights
to a right to produce content of their choosing. We have no
involvement in such decisions. We're not in the business of
signing off on content of movies, or things along those
lines. I know there were a range of different reports out there.
So let me just see if I can address some of them. And then
we'll get to your next question. If
she goes She's so good. She's segwaying right into her little
tabbed information sheets.
Well, I'm not obviously going to speak to the specifics of the
allegedly leaked emails. I can confirm for you that Assistant
Secretary Russell did have a conversation while executives
hear that. Yeah, what did you hear?
Allegedly leaked.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't know this is the she's reading
this off of her tab. Paper. That's why
the word allegedly when it was there leaked web, are they not
really leaked and they're all crap.
This is different, John, this is different. This. I don't think
this was part of the hack. But I think these were leaked. Because
see, she is responding from a tabbed piece of paper. And the
paper it says allegedly leaked. So she's just reading it and it
slips by where no one alleged that they were leaked, they were
hacked at best the way Matt describes it does not leaking,
leaking something different. They know that these were the
last time that mean that to your point is valid. These were
leaks. And she's responding to that even though no one is
accusing anyone of them being leaked. There, right? There were
hacked.
Movies, or things along those lines. I know there were a range
of different reports out there. So let me just see if I can
address some of them. And then we'll get to your next question
TAB TAB. Well, I'm not obviously going to speak to the specifics
of the allegedly leaked emails, I can confirm for you that
Assistant Secretary Russell did have a conversation with Sony
executives, as he does routinely with a wide range of private
groups and individuals to discuss foreign policy in Asia.
Bob King, Contrary to reports, did not view the movie and did
not have any contact directly with Sony. As we have set, as
we've noted before entertainers are free to make movies of their
choosing, and we're not involved in that. So
systems are Gary Russell, in his conversations with the Sony
executives, if they got if those executives got the impression
that he was saying, it's okay to do this. They were missing, they
weren't getting the wrong impression?
Well, I think I don't think any executive would want the State
Department or the United States government to be in the business
of signing off on the content of their, their movies or
television shows of or whatever it may be. But, of course,
there's a lot of information that we don't know about North
Korea, and the fact that they have one of the worst human
rights records out there that they have consistently put out
threats against the United States. And certainly we share
information that is publicly available with executives.
Okay, that's the setup. Then she she really goes all for it.
Because here comes man, he's, he's kind of hammered home.
I mean, does the State Department think that? Something
like that, whether it is an artistic endeavor, or not, is
something that is helpful, or is something that is appropriate
for any company to do? And the reason that I asked this is not
to suggest that you're involved in free speech. But remember the
video of this poorly produced film involving the Prophet
Muhammad, I believe, which was blamed for
at this point, I'm like, Yeah, mad
go he protests in in Cairo.
And then Benghazi, which he doesn't say we,
you know, the State Department came out and wanted YouTube to
take it down. Right, take it down on the State Department
said that it did not represent the values the United States and
there is a history of movie criticism or film criticism from
this building. And I'm just wondering if this is this is at
all playing into this current situation.
I would not put them in the same category, which I'm sure does
not surprise you.
We smoke the same category. But it's a different kind of
entertain, don't
have it's a fiction movie. It's not a documentary about our
relationship with the United States with North Korea. It's
not something we backed, supported, or necessarily have
an opinion on like
the Mohammed movie, which I guess you did back in support. I
don't know. Yeah, you haven't seen
it? I have not seen the movie. No, I don't think it's out yet.
Well, apparently it is. All right. Well, it's a good move. I
just want to remind everybody that this is absolute bunk, and
bull crap, as we learned from Evergreen clip, Martin Kaplan
from the Lear foundation about Hollywood, and how they
influence the government influences Hollywood.
So in the course of our work, this is in the last two years 11
to 13 335 storylines that we worked on, have been aired.
We've worked with 35 networks in the past four years. 91
different television shows.
And countless movies.
Yeah, well, it never ends.
Anyway, this morning. Obama's backing away from it now. He's,
yeah, of course is he's backing away. Here he is with Candy
Crowley, one of her. This was must be her swan song. I presume
that she's leaving the network.
I wonder if maybe it was fear of lawsuit, as opposed to fear of
North Korea, which there's a threat right there. The people
are looking at their theater thinking, you know, anything
happens here. I'm I'm done. It's over. You know, that's
possible. But look, look, look, as I said, the Boston Marathon
suffered an actual grievous attack that killed and maimed a
number of people. And that next year, we had a successful Boston
marathon's we've ever had. You know, sometimes this is a matter
of setting a tone. And being very clear that we're not going
to be intimidated by some cyber hackers, cyber hackers. Oh,
expect all of us to remember that and operate on that basis
going forward.
Do you think this was an act of war by North Korea?
No, I don't think it was an act of war. I think it was active
cyber vandalism. That was costly, very expensive. Not
taking serious
cyber vandalism. Okay. Now it's gone from North Korea to cyber
hackers to an act of war to cyber vandalism. Oh, righty then
there's a need for rescue mission. When the world is
threatened. The world needs help. calls on America.
I want to bring two more clips in from Obama's speech about all
this that have nothing to do with the North Korean thing. But
it has everything to do with Obama. He plays basketball.
Yeah. And he had golf. Yes. And he can't he throws a baseball
like a girl. Yes. And I don't think he knows anything about
football. No, probably not. Because here is Obama talking
just casually and then he goes off script and starts rambling
and as he does about and it's this confuses me because of the
second clip is that this is when I want Obama on football one.
And then then the confusing part shows up in Obama on football
two, but play Obama on football one and I want to comment
stuff happens in the fourth quarter. And I'm looking forward
to it. But going into the fourth quarter, you usually get a
timeout. Now looking forward to a quiet timeout. Christmas with
my family. So I want to wish everybody a merry Christmas,
happy Hanukkah. Happy New Year Kwanzaa. I hope that all of you
get some time to spend with your families as well, because one
thing that we share is that we're wasting too much from
them. And now Josh has given me the who's been naughty and who's
been nice list. And I'm gonna use it.
Do you forgot Solstice and Kwanzaa?
I know I find found that and Festivus. He left that out? You
know, what I think was interesting is that, what is he
talking about? You don't get a time out. When you go into the
fourth quarter,
you get a timeout when you've been in a bad boy and you get
your
eyes and there's a timeout with a two minute warning but there's
no timeout so he doesn't know anything. But then I was stunned
when he he was a quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens. His name
Joe Flacco. And I guess his brother is in the movie if we
played Obama on football to
on a movie studio because of a satirical movie starring Seth
Rogen and James clapper.
You are the only person I have heard who figured out what was
going on and why he mistook Franco for Flacco? Yeah, you're
the only guy
stick in Joe Flacco, the quarterback for the Ravens
because the local team I mean it Baltimore is local to Washington
DC. So it's like a local team. And he probably heard of him.
And I still think he doesn't know anything about football or
even watches it
i Last I someone immediately created a Twitter account at
James Flacco. Thanks President Obama for the for the shout out.
But yes, you are I think you're absolutely you're the only
person who's figured out why he made that mistake.
was a football in the mind is fourth quarter, you get your
time out, you know, whatever.
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RS back and then we have this anomaly. Hold on one sec. Let me
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I already looked because I recall the email Oscar sent.
Yeah, he sent but it was about this other small amount of
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Well, I have the spreadsheet for Thursday. It was the same
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His is this one which is $936.72 with no note, so if he has
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rock that means big rock. Yeah, this is a big rock. And it's in
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I looked at and I'm, I'm gonna do some research on this guy.
Because I'll bet you if you look into it, you're gonna find some
information, that is bullcrap. All you have to
do really is look at that video, which is about about 25 minutes.
And he gets tired at the end. But then he starts saying, Well,
look, this is what I've been talking about for 19 months. And
if this is my background, this is my expertise, right? This is
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No, no. So he's right. It's been talked about in other outlets.
They talk about this to an extreme they say all Obama can
do is relieve you know, make it easier to try he can't do
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law there. There is a congressional the Congress has
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that now. I mean, we already got to shot over the bow by Rubio.
So no, they're not going to change anything. They're just
going to have now we can travel a little easier. Go back and
forth. But there's the all the other stuff still in play. Let's
go they've apparently been set shipping and food. I was
watching our tea, obviously. Yeah, it was shipping and food
all along and Americans have in a roundabout way
and all kinds of woodwork, all kinds of work.
But once the Republicans get a clue that the Canadians are
buying the place up, they should change the laws
go down under for a moment. The Prime Minister Abbott, he's
Prime Minister I bet I don't think we have one of those.
We're gonna need one pretty soon. We're gonna need an Abbott
to shout.
Geez, all we need is the Lucas lab and Costello
been it's so we have this one event, which of course is not
such a nut job. Whether he was a patsy or not, I mean, the guy is
completely psycho. Then because he asked for a flag that says
now, we are no longer innocent in Australia. This is this is
the terror. The terror is here. This is it. It's all over
people. We are now we are no longer innocence. These are the
things these are this is what being said. In fact, here is
Abbott just lay it on
these events to demonstrate that even a country as free, as open,
as generous and as safe as ours is vulnerable to acts of
politically motivated violence. Madam Speaker, regrettably, for
some time to come. Australians will have to endure more
security than we used to. Yeah, more inconvenience than we'd
like. Regrettably, for some time to come. The delicate balance
between freedom and security may have to shift.
I love it when they do that. Oh, that was
slick. Just as an aside about all these dangers of living in
Australia, because you can own guns play the clip. stabbings in
Australia, Australia stabbings. Make sure this going on at the
same time though, of course, yes.
In Australia, eight children had been found dead and a woman
injured an apparent mass stabbing. The bodies were found
at home and MINOURA a suburb of Karen
Hello, hello, safety. This is Liberty calling off douchebag
There you go, everybody. Hey, Australia. Welcome. Welcome.
Welcome. Welcome. By looking at this thing, it's the foreign
fighters bill. act with counterterrorism legislation
amendments, the foreign fighters bill of 2014. This is great.
Australia's current counterterrorism laws comprise
four legislative regimes introduced under the House
administration. So we have some things are going to be changing.
So they have they already had control order to control the
behavior of person what's considered necessary to prevent
a terrorist act control orders love this. The prison colony is
resurrected, preventative now that's a natural preventative
detention orders which allow police to detain a person for up
to 14 days if there are reasonable grounds to suspect he
or she is planning on will engage in a terrorist act. Stop
search and seizure powers which allowed police to stop and
search persons vehicles premises seize items that could be used
in a terrorist offense like a peroxide question and detention
warrants which allowed the ASI Oh, this is the the ASI. Oh,
this was the you can't have more than three people in a room
together or something. Yeah, to detain a person for questioning.
Okay, solitary confinement, they're looking for that. That's
next.
So now we have new offenses for traveling to a quote declared
area, this is now new. The bill is introduced a crime punishable
by up to 10 years imprisonment per person traveling to an area
in a foreign country that has been declared by the Australian
Government to be one where a listed terrorist organization is
engaging in hostile activity. That is a declared area. You
can't go there. No. Well, you can but if flow Do we have a
list of the declared areas yet? Well, we do know that the
foreign minister has declared serious al Rocca Province, which
is the de facto
Syria you just go there for you know, the hanging out for a
while then you go to the province, how they're gonna know
you went there? Well,
if they if they catch you, they might see you with the drone,
new offenses for advocating terrorism. The second advance me
Well, would you like to hear it,
but as advocating terrorism.
This is the second offense introduced by the bill makes it
a crime for a person to intentionally advocate the doing
of a terrorist act or the commission of a terrorist
offense, where he or she is reckless as to whether another
person will actually do the act or commit the offense. And this
is interesting. So you if if you did this on the tweeters, for
instance, and someone read it now, you know, it'd be reckless
for you to do this in public. If you said he should go blow
something up. Ah, yeah, this I think this is a free speech
issue right there, which I guess that in Australia doesn't have
that perhaps?
No, no, no, they've obviously don't. The other couple things
I've added
here the foreign minister Foreign Affairs Minister can now
suspend a person's passport for a period of up to 14 days. On
the if there's reasonable grounds of suspicion, the person
may leave Australia to engage in conduct that might prejudice the
security of Australia or a foreign country by goodness.
Isn't any proof? I think you might be going over to do
something tonight. You should just give me your passport. No,
they
took that from our playbook.
The Immigration Minister must now cancel a person's temporary
or permanent visa. If there's a reasonable suspicion, the visa
holder might be directly or indirectly a risk to security.
If the risk isn't confirmed, the visa holders family members may
at the minister's discretion also have their visas cancelled.
Customs officers now have the power to detain persons
suspected of committing any Federal offense.
Second, yes, sir. There they talking about which visas are
they talking about?
If you're coming from a different country? Or if
you're coming in? Yes. Yes. If you're if you're a guest if
you're a guest, and okay, I'm custom
off a customs officers. If you're going into Australia to
buy I'm going into Australia, hey, Australia, here I am. They
have the power to detain persons suspect suspected of committing
any Federal offense that is punishable by imprisonment of 12
months or more. But you just got there. Yeah, they can grab you.
Hold on a second. Yeah. Okay. You're going to Australia they
can stop
I mean, Australia to do No.
Offense can you possibly create you haven't even gotten past the
border of guy. Well, maybe
I just tweeted, hey, I'm here to see if I can find any terrorist
to blow some stuff up. I don't know something like that. It
could be anything that would be an offence under this bill.
Yeah. But
they usually don't let you communicate when you're in that
area. So you land and you're they I've landed at you but when
you're landing in from outside in the United States, no cell
phones. You can do that while you're
taxiing while you're taxiing to the gate. Which of the jetway
you could be on your phone.
All right, well, I guess you could do that. Here I am. We're
ready to go. they'll have things yeah I guess you could okay
giving continue
giving customs officers greater power to detain persons without
charge risks infringe the rights of freedom for any arbitrary
detention of course, but this is all obviously for your safety
and shall not be question please do not question authority.
subjugation is liberation. Contradiction is the facts of
this world, and you will refer to them
that's right. Pigs and human clothing. One thing on the
caliphate I found here, we sent another 1500 troops to Iraq
wasn't widely reported. No. embarrassing, but there is yes,
it of course, it's embarrassing. There is something new which
John Kerry started two weeks ago, you know, we've had this
issue this branding issue, which we quite frankly think is been
kind of good ISIS ISIL is now now everyone's just saying dash.
This is just, this is the new new new official word,
dad. No, I saw this dash thing emerge, and I can find the
genesis for it. Well, I
have some of that here. First, let me play for you, Lieutenant
General James Terry, with the announcement of more troops
going to, to destroy a note to degrade and ultimately destroy
and it used to be ISIL. Now it's DASCH.
Iraqi security forces must be a capable force, one that can
restore racks sovereign borders, retake territory from dash, and
secure the Iraqi people and offensively minded and trained
security force backed by an inclusive government rack is the
key to future stability. As you know, we have been authorized an
additional 1500 US personnel. They will serve in non combat
roles to support additional advice and assist requirements
and the building partner capacity effort. In addition, we
anticipate coalition contributions that should
produce at least an additional 1500 personnel in these efforts.
We're seeing initial successes in this fight. Uh huh. My
assessment is that dash has been halted and transitioning to the
defense has attempted to hold what they currently have. You
will see some local counter attacks in that regard. There
will be challenges down the road that will require patience. The
Government of Iraq understands the great threat they face and
they resolve to defeat it. The Combined Joint Task Force
represents what I believe is a new chapter of what ISIS will be
a successful campaign to bring the coalition's power to bear
and ultimately lead to the defeated dash
defeated dash okay, so dashing alright this big this began in
June and this is the French Yeah, it
was it Correct Correct. French
decided they're going to use the arabic derived term dash D a e
sh, RS also De Da is I apostrophe some or other? Yes.
And it never took but now it's taking then that's the
interesting part. will carry apostrophe is H Yes.
When when you age when Carrie which means door lot nation.
I'll Islamia Iraq as a sham which is Syria in the Levant. So
it's really a collection of ISIS started this
started in June and now in December, it's now being
recognized by us why? What's the reason for the change?
I don't know. Other than that, I believe when Kerry went to get a
new authorized use of military force and when he was being
questioned, we played one or two clips because of course he's so
boring I can't risk my reputation with you anymore to
play any more carry clips. He was using dash which I believe
he needs to encompass more groups. It's such an income all
encompassing name. This you know, it's everybody now it's
just everybody. Yeah, it just I just want a to be able to use
force on anybody who's Brown and lives in this general sandy
area, which is pretty much what exactly what he asked for. All
right. I don't see any other reason why it's these guys are
so tricky, John, all they care about is it's using words to get
them to get whatever they think is necessary or whatever they
need whatever they want.
While on the topic of this area, I was combing through old clips,
which I do occasionally to look to read listen to them and see
if there's anything use or there's stuff that we missed to
about 2010 I heard this and I've never heard about it since I
don't think we use either not played and we never discussed
it. And I've haven't heard anything about Got a sense, but
this was a 60 minutes report on on Afghanistan and how we, you
know, the Taliban is winning the war and so the Afghani people
won't do anything do any deals with us, because they think
we're gonna is gonna leave and screw them. And they're all
gonna get killed for talking to us sort of thing. And that was
about that and right in the middle of it because they were
talking about a or discussing a improvised explosive device that
they were taking out and then it was going to be an ambush. But
this little one little clip is 2010 clip a new information is
just I don't remember it. I don't remember picking this up
before. And I don't know what's going on now. But this is
interesting. Using new
and secret technology. The Marines destroyed an IED from
long range while it was still being planted in the road. I've
got information man, new shit has come to light.
So can you follow up with that?
I'm there brother.
Remember this? I don't I don't remember this. God or some beam
or something?
Oh, no. Energy directed weaponry. Of course. This is
what I knew. If he's affirm confirmed, this is what our new
Secretary of Defense is specialized in directed energy
weapons. Yeah. Yeah. What? So what you see the guys planting
the thing? You shoot down a little ray beam, and then it
explodes
and blows him up with it? Yeah. It's a genius. I would assume
that if it's some sort of device that if it's directed energy,
and they get heat, it doesn't take much to blow up something
if it's explosive, if you can heat it up. So you aim this
thing there and it heats it up. Targeted it heat it up and blow
it up. Yeah.
Yeah. While the guys are still there. Yeah, it's beautiful
genius. Are we good? Or what? Yeah, we're
great.
Hey, this, Ash Carter, is the new the new guy if he's
confirmed, and I really see no reason why he won't be key. He's
really all about the Straits of Malacca and China. You see, it
seems to be much more interested in that region of the world in
the Middle East. Which is interesting, because you kind of
think that the reason Hegel was pushed out is because Hegel
didn't want to do all this, this bullcrap in the Middle East. And
I, but I see nothing. But Asia news coming from his general
direction, particularly the Straits of Malacca, which is all
about blocking China's waterways. So we got to keep our
eye on this guy. I have no idea what you do
is there's some action with Putin in Russia and and that
area, too.
Yeah. In fact, the BBC. It was unbelievable. The BBC had this
whole special on it was like a mini super package, like a mini
special, a super package kind of in between, like a 15 minute
thing. And, and of course, well, you know, Putin hates gays and
gays or, you know, you're not safe in Russia as if you're gay.
It's not you can't No no, no. And this they bring this news as
if it's all true. All happening now.
Even this giant iPhone is unacceptable here now taken off
the streets after the boss of Apple revealed he was gay. This
is where the iPhone statue used to stand. Now there's this
festive tree here, and just an empty space like a new monument
to increasing intolerance here. Human Rights Activists say that
since the law banning so called gay propaganda was passed. It's
like people have been given a license to be homophobic. They
say it's not just about the artwork, of course, homophobic
attacks are on the rise.
So this has long been debunked this iPhone thing.
And the iPhone guy have a clip. Apple is so big in Russia, and
that they had to back off on a couple of Yeah, because of the
ruble, the ruble thing is screwing them and this and they
showed this is from our tea, of course, all rigged may or may
not true. But they go to an Apple store in Moscow. And
they're places packed with people buying iPhones and Apple
products. But this is the story is kind of interesting.
Oh, were forced to stop trading online here in Russia this week.
Their products at one point were $100 cheaper to buy here in
Russia than in the US. The tech giant justified this move on
their side as extreme ruble fluctuations.
I had that last night. Extreme ruble fluctuations. Yeah, I bet
you didn't feel very good
now that they not only have the places to buy the phones and
stores but they have an online presence of their wishes what
they had to back off on because the ruble was screwing up right.
And they were selling all the Apple products online for $100
less than we have to pay. Yeah. How does that other story make
any sense at all?
No. It's bull crap. We know that this this thing was not removed
because Tim Cook tollens Tom, whatever his name said he's gay.
A Tom Collins, Tim Collins. This is not true. It's just not true.
And they are lying. But you know, we heard about this
somewhere. So I guess it's true. Nope. And look, this empty spot
looks like a new monument and just went on in the if you are,
if you are gay in Saudi Arabia off with your head, they get
beheaded all the time, but there are there are more crimes
against gays, lesbians, LGBTQ Qi, HIV in the United States
than ever occur in Russia. Come on. Stop using that. Stop using
my gay brothers and sisters for a punching bag for your bags.
Hey, Putin is not okay. And you gave gay brothers and sisters
stand up and reject this. reject it.
And other retail news from Russia. I had no idea that
there's IKEA is all over the place. And they were just they
showed him some movies of it. And they're just like an IKEA
and you know here in Emeryville? I'm sorry.
Yes.
Shopping that went wild. This week. IKEA suspended sales of
kitchen and home furniture in Russia because it's been
overloaded with orders to the company. And now so be doubly no
sharp rises in prices. It'd be a gradual one because of the ruble
exchange rate. But that didn't stop the crowds. As shoppers
expect prices to surge next year.
Can you imagine the margin on that crap, considering they
don't have to even raise the prices?
It's junk.
Some Assembly Some Assembly Required other words that make
me shudder. This?
The whole Russian thing is very interesting. We have to keep up
with it.
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know how much to keep up with. Well,
there's
like there's going ahead. It turns out that our our problems
are with Russia or not deterring them from continuing to actually
have an economy.
Vladimir Putin invited Kim Jong Hoon to come to Moscow next year
to Mark Yes. 70th anniversary of the Soviet defeat of Nazi
Germany. Right. And he would like to discuss a
pipeline. Yeah. Huh. Coincidence from
No, never from North Korea to its southern neighbor, South
Korea for some Gazprom pipeline.
And it makes nothing but sense. Yeah.
It's makes a lot of sense for set for the South Koreans for
sure.
Yeah. They don't need ships coming in with the gas when you
could pump it in. No.
It's flabbergasting that this has not been looked at to
previously. Yeah. Let me see. The Treasury secretary. Of
course, there's so much about the Sony and you know, whatever
our Christmas which Jingle Bells, Kwanzaa, Bah, humbug,
Kwanzaa, Solstice, that we don't really hear much when the
Treasury Secretary speaks. And they found what he's this is
Jacob Liu, who was our new Treasury Secretary, he followed
in the footsteps of Tim Geithner, a guy who can't figure
out how to use TurboTax to file his taxes I haven't forgotten.
And he the way he put this was very strange. This is about
Social Security. And this is kind of his state of the his
annual State of the Union, if you know how much longer this
thing is funded, but then for some reason, he pulled a piece
out and said, If you know, if you look at this piece by
itself, it's only funded for two years, see if you can figure out
what is going on with this and what the messaging is, when
considered
on a combined basis. Social Security's retirement and
disability programs have dedicated funds sufficient to
cover benefits for the next 19 years. After that time, as was
true last year, it's projected that tax income will be
sufficient to finance about three quarters of scheduled
benefits.
And by the way, that puts me in a screwed position. That's a
that's about the time that I'm going to retire. No, he
said 19 years you retire and he says you're 50 He had a big
birthday. No, no. Are you kidding me? Chiron 1516 years,
the retirement age.
Well, baby, they keep moving it out. I'll
be raising it out big
by the seven. Yeah, you will be right at the point it happens is
boom.
And guess who's going to be part of that 15% That isn't funded,
you know, it's going to be podcasters. If we're the first
podcasters verse to go, here's the rest of it.
However, Social Security's disability program alone has
dedicated funds sufficient to cover all scheduled benefits for
only two years. Well, as was true last year, beginning in
2016. Projected tax income will be sufficient to finance about
80% of scheduled benefits. Legislation will be needed to
avoid this disruptive reductions in benefit payments to
vulnerable population.
Okay, so combined he says 18 years and then we go to 85% but
if you take disability out that's only good for two years
we need new laws to I guess print more money or put some
money into the into the coffers. Can he do that? Is that how it
works? Do you separate that out of this? Or is this just a
general way to get more money because people are going holy
crap
way to get more money because most most of the Social Security
system is legislated and they just can't randomly cut it off I
mean it's legislate you have to provide the money it's in the
law
bro this is this does not bode well then
that's bull crap okay
dig into this down to the simplest aspect but his bull
crowd I mean there is a scam out there trying to that's kill
Social Security and make the people invest their own money as
though their preferred is as though every Tom Dick and Harry
out there is a professional investor and they're not I mean,
the idea is Yeah, put your all your money in the stock market
to keep the stock market boosted then when it collapses to bad
and which is what would happen they did get screwed like with
all these lot of pros lost their acid, the 2007 2008 debacle. How
does the public supposed to fare in this thing now you need? I
don't want to sound like a socialist but you need the
government to be the fishnet stockings to catch everything
damn commie. Yeah, county
got a rich and poor update, which doesn't bode well.
Okay. into it. It.
And the gap between rich and poor in the United States has
reached a new high. A new report by the Pew Research Center finds
the gulf between rich families and middle and low income
families is the largest it's been 30 years of data
collection. Pew found that while affluent families became
wealthier from 2010 to 13, middle income families stayed
the same while poor families got poorer.
Yeah. It's a Wonderful Life. Everybody
knew something up with that. I also have a well I'll say this,
I like this clip later. Here's one that bugged me just kind of
just bugged me. And I went did some research and looking at,
you know, the Tea Party.
DS the original Tea Party was of course, surrounded Ron Paul with
his money bombs, and then it was hijacked by the Republican
fringe.
I want to play the 60 Minute teaser clip. And I wanted I want
to see if there's any if you go look on the Wikipedia at all the
Tea Party sites, there's one name there's one name you will
never find I did searches for the guy's name. And this is the
kind of the target of this particular clip
of Senator Tom Coburn is known as the godfather of the Tea
Party. So what does he think of President Obama? I just love him
as a man that and other surprises Sunday on 60 minutes
to Tom Coburn apparently Holborn, Tom Coburn, apparently
but going to 60 minutes in his wonderful journalism. He calls
him the godfather of the Tea Party. You'll never find any
reference like that. He's gay, I guess I don't know what the
point of this this teaser was.
I have this is beyond me. I have no idea. No idea.
The reason rewriting history. You know, one of the things we
tried to do, at least on this show is be on the right side of
history. We try to be on the right side of history and we
defend against their constant attempts to rewrite history.
Yes. And this is a rewrite of history of there ever was I
mean, Tom Coburn Tea Party. He's just some guy with a wig.
Anyway, yeah, but a little Pepe No,
you're absolutely right. And this and of course, Tea Party
became Tea baggers. And it's just it's a very it's very,
I got co opted by Tea Party Express and those bags up. Y'all
a lot of mother, Texas.
All but all of it is just name calling and not good for
anything. It's really all of it's just horrible. don't like
any of it.
Do something else. I don't like
ants. And C says
please. Colorado sued a very short clip. Okay.
Two states have sued Colorado in the Supreme Court over its
legalization of marijuana. Earlier this year, Colorado
became the first state to allow recreational marijuana, Nebraska
and Oklahoma claim the opening of marijuana shops has led to an
influx of the drug in neighboring states.
Okay. This is I think this is what you're going to try it Do
that get get this thing reversed because after the DC thing
happened, right, you know, they tried to they they're not going
to fund it. This is the Republicans. And so they found
two states that were amenable because there's other states
bordering Colorado that don't give a crap. And I don't even
know if Oklahoma does Oklahoma actually bought a border on
Colorado. I think so. Let's take a look on the maps.
This feels bad. I don't know that.
Well, either. We can, you know, the states you don't have to
know every border, you know, connection,
I believe maps,
and maybe the Panhandle does this back on Google Maps. I'm
looking. Kansas is directly north. Yes. And Google Maps is
not producing my map.
We have Arizona. Okay, New Mexico.
Are you looking at the very tip? Yeah. Absolute tip of Oklahoma.
North of Texas. Touches Colorado, right? Barely just a
tip. So it is a border state and Nebraska is the same way it
doesn't really have a big border a Kansas is a border state. They
don't care. Anyway, the point is, I think they're gonna
there's nobody in Kansas man.
We drove through, you're gonna go after this. They can't do
anything with with they can't get anyone to play ball against
Washington, because Oregon's all in on that idea that you can get
dope up there. And then Montana and Idaho was your close the
other two close states, then? Yeah, and I can imagine. Yeah,
it's anyway, you're gonna start to see this sort of thing as a
as a trick to get
federal rallies to bust balls over, especially in Colorado,
where they very aggressive.
Just different kinds of different topic. I was reading
something in the Guardian today, online, obviously, and it said
it was brought to you by and there was a link that explained
what this meant. And, and this is part of how news is changing.
The Guardian. Isn't a guardian supposed to didn't they have a
they have some charter there's they're holier than thou and
the charter says, We The Guardian are holier than thou.
I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. What it says. So they
have this information page, which I found called sponsored
content, advertisement features, and content supported by
foundations. And, and you're a news guy, you you're a writer,
you're a magazine columnist, you've been a reporter, you are
a reporter, you're on the beat, you're a journalist here. God
guardian, news and media produces a variety of content
with funding from outside parties. These sources of
revenue allow us to explore in more depth and editorial budgets
would otherwise allow topics that we hope are of interest to
guardian and observer readers. The presentation of the content
makes clear is a
good bunch of bullcrap I like it.
The presentation of the content makes clear how the content has
been commissioned and produced and who was funded it. One of
the three labels will appear on this content sponsored by
brought to you by or supported by and there's a difference in
each three and I'd like to discuss these with you. All
right. One is sponsored by sponsored by is used to describe
editorially independent content. We accept funding from sponsors
both for content we are already producing. We're using funds
from a sponsor allows us to provide more in depth coverage
and for new projects. Before sponsorship is agreed with the
client relevant senior editors are consulted about its
suitability, and the editor in chief has the final say on
whether a sponsorship deal is accepted. A sponsor whose
branding appears on editorial content may have a role in
suggesting what kind of topics are covered. But the
commissioning editor is not obliged to accept ideas from the
sponsor. The content is written and edited by guardian and
observer journalists or those approved by GnM. to the same
standards as expected and all of our journalism GnM will not show
copy to sponsors for approval. What do you think of this this
sponsored by a business sounds like a native advertising to
me it is yeah, bullcrap. What would they say to the editor,
you know, he's got the file. So yeah, if you if you're trying to
push in a piece of sponsored content that is obvious mess a
piece of garbage? Yeah, you're gonna Nix it, except now you
will take your money, but you better come up with something
better than this piece of crap. And it appears to him by the
way, this is where this other part comes in. So maybe you
should just let one of our writers because they would like
to just write it themselves and give it to you.
That would be the approved GnM outsiders.
You Yes, but you but you know, if you give it to one of our
writers, we can do a better job. Yeah, it will cost you more.
Because you know, you're having to pay our writers who don't
work as cheap as the PR people work. Or, in fact, it's not
true. But they Yeah, that's what that is. And it says total
native advertising and couched beautifully to make it seem like
there's no chance whatsoever of corruption, when in fact, they
want to run something. They're big advertisers, they got these
guys by the nuts. Yeah. And they say, you know, you don't have to
run this piece. I know you have some issues with it. But you
know, we can, we'll just pull everything that we were just
pulled all of our ads, and we'll walk it over to the, to the
Daily Mail or the net Well, or even any of them, they're all
taken. And I would be surprised if by now, all the British
tabloids and all the British broke broadsheets don't all take
native advertising in some form or other. And so it's, you know,
you take it, you take it, you need the money, and you can
employ everything, let's do it. They're pushing the papers
around.
Let's look at the other options, shall we? Other options. This is
for the this is for people who are reading the newspaper, by
the way. This is to know what so called product you're receiving
to is brought to you by brought to you by is used to describe
advertisement features that are paid for and controlled by the
advertiser rather than the publisher, and are subject to
regulation by the Advertising Standards Authority. This
content is produced by commercial departments, and does
not involve GnM, staff journalists, as brought to you
by so that's just an ad, which is a little fuzzier because
you probably you didn't know the difference because they're using
the same type font. And looks just like a story. Yes, you had
to pay up probably a little more sponsorships probably cheaper.
Because you know, you lose a little control. But you have
total control, which I didn't that is like yeah, that's an ad.
Yeah. But it's always had brought to you by
and casual reader,
we've been looking at the bottom, you see sponsored by are
brought to you know, what would be the difference for the
reader. Without looking at this thing. No one's gonna go look at
these these rules. It's just gonna say, yeah, yeah, it's
gonna be the same. Well, then we have the third one, which makes
it even more complicated we have that we have sponsored by
brought to you by and then the third one, supported by and
supported by, is used to describe editorially independent
content that the Guardian has produced with funding from
foundations around the world who support specific projects.
Examples could be what a grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates
Foundation to help support the Guardians Global Development
site, or the Joseph Roundtree and Open Society Foundations
that Soros supported the award winning reading the riots
series. So that's that's content, I presume very much
like PBS news hour or the Kaiser Health Report, which is funded
directly from foundations, nongovernmental organizations
who all have an agenda to support specific projects. Now
let me ask you if this guardians Global Development site which
I'll go take a look at right now. Western firms reduce
Eritrean miners to abject slavery life on the Ebola
frontline I thought of nothing else except my death. Thai
Government censured for failure to tackle lead pollution or lead
police pollution sorry lead Sustainable Development Goals
eight ways reality can match ambition this is all presented
by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, they are funding
this entire all of this Ebola in Sierra Leone burial workers put
Dignity Before danger.
Now what was the of the three give me the order again? Okay,
the order is sponsored by Okay, brought to you by and supported
by Okay, so the just brought to you by is just a straight AD.
The other two R's kind of beating around the bush ad,
sketchy now the funny thing about the garden because I'm
doing some looking around. They have their sponsored features as
an actual link, so you can see what they are sponsored features
planning and pitching nonfiction, Beginner's Guide to
social media for business, how to write better copy. I'm sure
if I look at any one of these I can tell who the advertiser is.
Why is it important to marry data quality? to do with patient
safety, that's got to be really exciting.
IBM Watson, five
things to do in Brighton at Christmas, brought to you by the
locals in Brighton. How to get music journalists with Tim Jones
on the December 18, how to write and publish a book about food,
take lots of pictures of the food and tweet them. Yes, that's
get your followers up before writing your writing. Here's
another copywriting a two day bootcamp infographic storing of
storytelling a one day workshop Okay, let's pick one of these
and see who
now where are you looking where are you finding this
on this under the guardian.com/cohn/sponsored
features? So they apparently put their sponsored features on the
download page for people who want to look at just this one ad
it wants to look at just sponsored features I would
assume there's a brought to you by our support features to maybe
I don't know there's only one I could find
Well, these would all be sponsored features Oh Boyd
sponsored was was the first category
right that's the catalyst writing these are on behalf of
an advertiser
right well let's take the WHO how to be a music journalist by
with Tim Jones who will Jim Jones probably bottom and should
say at the bottom of the page it should say sponsored by
going and as the name of the company it doesn't I don't see
it I don't see it either.
It's supposed to say sponsored by
Yeah. Oh wait no Twitter profile No. Sponsor by so they're not
even doing that much strange. Music may look like
this is a sales job to sign up to how to become a music
journalist. And it's cost you $99 pounds
and is that ad is being done by the Guardian Okay, they're
sponsoring house out the house ad okay so House said let's find
a different one all right. How sad
they shouldn't Beginner's Guide to social media for business
about that. Okay, and let me I can't get back to the page there
it
is. Oh, this is this is all their this is another house that
have 249
So this whole thing seems to be rather dubious. And that just
this is gonna be one here that's not from them. I don't know. Do
image technology transforms color blind viewing experience
this cannot be from them.
Let's go to the bottom border. You see.
This is a u u e a spin off
i tech okay,
I says it Yeah,
I tech does it say it's let's say it's sponsored by high tech.
I'm looking currently I tech supports individuals with Dota
or not no PA? No proto? No, Pa doesn't say anything? No, they
don't see it really doesn't doesn't disclaim it does it?
Know that it is a
plug because it just as
brought to you by very small on the left hand side. You EA o
University of East Anglia Wow, could the type be any type font
be any swell write
that but it's not as part of the stream of the story? No, it's in
fact they have a UEA advertisement on the right
column. Oh yeah, click here applied to the University known
for the experience. This is the worst kind of journalism in the
world. Yes, it's the pieces written by for the University of
Anglia it has a very small thing is this brought to you by it
doesn't even refer to the artist sponsored
by sponsored by sponsor rights is
brought to you by
but it shouldn't be it's from the sponsored by page.
Well maybe they mixed brought to you by a smile knows what's
good. This is terrible. Yeah, it really is. And then an
advertisement right next to it. Click here
this is horrible. Now this is where we can just I just want to
use this is the
guardian when it served the Pulitzer Prize it says under the
logo that's right and acceptable behavior says
right winner of the Pulitzer Prize Yes. And what the and what
they're not writing for commercial interest. The Mi six
is telling him to write. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I know that it
surprised me too. That's why I really wanted to bring it up.
Just I was like, wow, did they have any category that's just
known as a journalism.
Yeah, you can find it in there once in a while. It's really
much work as they said in that little pitch about it. Well, we
don't we can't afford to do these stories, but we'll take
money and then we'll do them. Well,
this is not how we choose to operate anymore. This is a
classic classic example of you the audience being the product
in fact, if I if I load this page, right now that can tell
you here it is. Just the Guardian self. Audience science
Criteo double click fossa Facebook Connect Google AdWords
Crux digital Outbrain and just keeps on doing
the ones that the code does the trackers, cookies and trackers
that are in trouble. Yeah, they're all just, they're
tracking you like a dog. They're
like a dog exactly like a dog dressed up as Sandy. Anybody
know, in fact, the other day, I want to just, here's a big
secret. I wanted to find out had a discussion and some just some
research. What are the top podcast apps views to listen to
the no agenda show? So, so void zero, and I were working on
this, then the first thing he says is, well, the concept of
the top is kind of the problem, obviously, what do you mean? So
there is no actual simple way to calculate these requests. Some
apps, request chunks of the file many times rapidly, which is
actually a protocol developed by Apple. And so it shows up as a
whole bunch of lines requesting different portions of the same
file. So you have to filter that out. And you know, there's
there's proxies and network address translation, there
really, truly is no way unless you have some kind of tracking
on in the app itself, which doesn't tell you anything about
apps. But you know, if you have tracking in the app, yeah, then
you can see who's listening and what they're doing. But across
all these different apps, you have no idea. You cannot know
what the top is. It's just it's a farce. It's it's a lie. You
cannot track absolute numbers on podcasts. Now you can there ways
that pod track does it that give them some other forms of
reporting, but truly, you really, you really don't know
all that much. It redirects. It's, it's Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's redirect, you don't know if someone stopped, you just don't
know. So this model is breaks, it doesn't work. It does not
work. And besides that, you wind up with stupid content like this
University of East Anglia puff piece. That's why I'm very happy
that we're doing it the way we do it. At
the University of East Anglia, I'm going to show my school by
donation to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do
that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.
By the way, we made some basic decisions on how we would count
stuff. Are you interested in what we think? Yeah. What
do you think?
So what we think, is, it's always counterintuitive, where
there's so many more Android handsets out there. But the when
it comes to podcast, listening, head and shoulders above
anything, though, as far as we know, is the Apple iOS podcasts
app. Yeah, that's number one. And number two is Stitcher. Now,
that's both iOS and Android with iOS being slightly higher than
Android, and num, Stitcher, Stitcher. The guys who put ads
into the into the when you pause it Stitcher. And number three is
overcast, which is I believe, iOS only. And then the really
drops down. And then you get all these things like dog catcher,
and then all these other ones, but it's far and almost
everything combined. All other apps barely equal what Apple iOS
podcasts app in all of its different versions does with
this podcast. And I'm going to presume it's the same for a lot
of podcasts. I find that interesting.
Yeah, no, I find it fascinating. I had to say it's similar and
kind of fast. I don't think I can bring it up for some reason.
But MailChimp, which takes care of the newsletter, and I hope
people would subscribe and not unsubscribe, because
occasionally, it's really great. I'll say, and we make a lot of
points in there. Good points. And they have a list of the
email clients. And by far the number one iOS a better? No, no,
the number one email client in general is Google Mail. Gmail,
of course, of course, and that's all the desktops. But the, if
you swing over to the mobile, it's iOS completely weighed up
the head and shoulders above everybody else. And in fact, it
is at the transition point where there's more people reading the
Meet email on mobile than they are on PCs. Because it's casual.
Yeah, and I've got the news template is a mobile template.
So it looks really looks good on all platforms. But ya know, iOS,
that is a
doing a lot of Yeah, no, today I just want to point it out. Oh,
okay. Yeah, no, yeah, there. No, yeah,
I wish I could get switched to no Yeah, cuz I think that's mind
boggling. No, yeah. And by the way, anyway, that should just
Apple just dominations. And I think it's because when
podcasting began, it was pod i pod it was the more orientation
was that and I think it is carried over as a tradition.
Well,
there's more to it, I think. But I think it's, I think I think
the experience in Android is poor. And there's been no
marketing of any really good apps that do it. Not that the
podcasts, do one. I'm thinking about it. And by the way, I want
to point out to everybody, so just in case it wasn't obvious,
we don't do any statistics. We don't crunch the numbers we
don't care. We do not care about who's listening where they're
coming from whatever I ask avoid zero to one at one log file for
one show for 48 hours. And then Hannah's for two days we're
baffled by that I'm so happy don't do this anymore. Oh yeah,
I'd
rather have a broad based audience we have kids that
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So I've been going back and forth with Uncle Don on this and
North Korea thing, as you know, and I told him I said you watch
they're going to come out and they're gonna confirm his North
Korea. And of course, he has not gotten back to me. I don't know
exactly why, but I'm sure that there's all kinds of
conversations going on now. He is so vain from the mainstream
media because of his opinions as a serious guy you know 50 years
and CIA ambassador to South Korea not working for the
Pacific century Institute. I think it is I can't remember
yeah some money guys. V actually, you know that he when
he left? The Goldman Sachs gave him a contract that we talked
about this Yeah, I don't remember this. Yeah. And and he
he said he hated it so much. He was so disgusted by what the
things they wanted him to do. He quit and he gave all his shares
back because they've given
that shares it should yeah, I also
kind of said dude, and he does not like those guys so when you
don't like those guys,
you're pretty Mikey me keep the shares. Well,
now he's a man of principle. It's
87. But he doesn't need the money. So he did get
asked on to a roundtable in New York a roundtable discussion on
I'd never even heard of this outfit. R N N. The regional news
network. It's Wow, this is getting this is getting tons of
Russian. Now. It's actually if you look at see I have it here
somewhere. RNN is it's a little outfit that owns eight local
stations around the New York. The Upstate New York New York
upstate area. I mean, it's it's really it's, it's I think it's
unworthy.
But well, they have a nice building.
Oh, beautiful building half in the water there and everything.
Yeah. Here so they had dawn on for about 20 minutes talking
about the the rectal feeding torture report. And I thought
thought is part of what he said was funny and clip worthy here
on the best podcast in the universe.
When you go through the report. We outsourced to two shrinks
who've never done an interrogation forgive. They
don't speak Farsi. They don't know anything about al Qaeda.
And by the way, Don has his great way of smiling at someone
when they say these horrible things. Yeah, I've noticed this.
It's something he does once he'll be really smiling like
he's ready to burst out laughing while you it's a trick. He's
doing something very specific. You have to watch this he'll
just be smiling from ear to ear while you're saying these
horrible things about torture. And I don't know why but it's
something there's there's got to be some tactic in here that we
don't know about.
And we're paying him $81 million of taxpayer money with a
contract. For part of my two Yahoo's I don't even know the
first thing about it. And we're letting them figure out where
the line is. I mean, you spent a lot of years in government
service a lot of years this CIA, how do we get to the point where
outsourcing the people who I don't think that'd be authority
and make these decisions, and then we have to defend it?
Well, we're we get into that business when we're asked to do
things, which is basically not what we signed up to do. We did
not sign up to be jail keepers and interrogators. We were asked
by JFK to murder Castro. And we weren't very good at
assassinating, I was involved in the, in the hearings in 1975.
Church Committee, and, you know, we made eight attempts to get
Castro and failed in all of them. So we're not very good
assassins, or we weren't, and we're lousy tortures. And I'm
glad to say that it's true in both cases. And it's just I used
to think that the best thing I had going for me as a CIA
officer was the fact that I was an American. And the fact that
we did not torture our people, everybody knew the Soviets did.
And that was a huge difference. I now have a very close friend
who has dual citizenship. She's an Arabic specialist. And when
she goes into into the Middle East, the closest guarded secret
she has is that she's American. And she goes by her French
citizenship. And we've done that to ourselves. And I think we
need to stop it. I hope that this will become an issue in the
in the election. I think Obama knows that we need an effective
CIA. So he's not throwing the whole agency under the bus.
There's the bus he trusts Brennan, and I thought Brennan
tried to do a good job the other day and when he said it is
unknowable, whether or not these EITS really lead us to capture
Osama bin Laden and I think I think that's a pretty honorable
station and he's
still a company man
Don Yeah, yeah, well of course
and I liked the fact that he was you know, when it comes to
killing people and torture we just suck we're not good at
assassinations are pretty good with drones Well, he didn't say
that we weren't any good with that. And by the way, I don't
think we are we for how many how many real terrorists who are
really coming over here to really attack us are we taking
out compared to the number of citizens I'm sorry? Possible
militants?
Come on on Yeah,
we're horrible but
isn't that the idea to blow people up just because we like
blowing stuff up
as horrible it's not it's not really not even funny. Really?
It's it's pathetic
right Well, that was interesting. Oh, it's
interesting that you got that clip at all. Yeah. How did you
how did you get that clip?
It showed up in my news feed he didn't tell me about it then all
sudden the video showed up I'm the I search for stuff all the
time.
I'm sure he didn't have any I just happen to have a news feed
that's got some keywords
Yeah, I search all kinds of stuff I did find someone sent me
this article talking about these when you think of these of the
torture the rectal feeding and then all and all this business
and the rendition flights, you like
Hamas?
Exactly, Jake, I'm not a doctor and neither are you.
Dammit, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a diplomat. And I think about you
know, who's being rendition away to go into these secret camps
and basements would be tortured. If you don't really think
immediately about just some guy from Canada who was on his way
home from a family trip abroad stops at JFK. I'd never heard
this story before. And had you heard about this?
No, no, I think I have but play
No, I don't have a clip. It's a it's a guy's name is what he had
while he has a very unfortunate name Maha RR have the full of
photos Canadian. And he lands in JFK. And the He is literally
seized by the CIA thrown onto a jet rendered out through Bangor,
Maine, and was gone for 10 months.
Danger. The Canadian government was bitching about Yeah,
and it was tortured. He said one time they use the question
prisoners for two hours then put them in a waiting room so they
can hear other screaming then bring them back to Continue
interrogation of electrical cable two inches thick hit me
with it everywhere in my body mostly aimed from my palm
sometimes miss Hit my wrists struck me on my hips lower back,
constantly threatening me with with metal chair tire
is the interrogation you know, we can debate what the meaning
of torture is.
Oh man, but you never think it's just some Canadian dude. Like
Wait a minute,
Canada. Hey, stay home next year.
Just some Canadian dude. That's horrible. This is horrible.
It's okay, they're all in on it. Everybody thinks it's great,
I guess. All right, I
got an interesting little side thing here. Did you play this
Snowden in Germany? I didn't know any of this was going on.
Now when Edward Snowden revealed what America was up to spying on
civilians around the world, it came at a cost to his safety and
also his own citizenship but with it has come incredible
popularity with posters, music and even art devoted to him.
Some even describe him as a new pop icon of our times you got
peachskin off travel to Germany where the persecuted
whistleblower has obtained quite a fan base despised especially
Muslims for mismanaging money. Edward Snowden is
keen that everyone knows becoming a celebrity was the
last thing he was aiming for. Whether he likes it or not. He's
now famous, and in Germany has a lot of fans. One artist
symbolically renamed a street in Berlin in dedication to the
whistleblower, in another event inspired by his revelations, and
NSA in the house message was projected onto the side of the
US Embassy, he is a hero. I know this, I know this is I know this
is happening. I didn't
know this was going on. And I want to put a commentary for
there. We have a lot of Deutschland listeners. And I
would like to get one of these posters, they there's two kinds.
There's the bigger one, and there's a small one, they stick
on the on poles. I wouldn't mind having either one, the small one
looks like a sticker. I think the big one is actually a real
poster. I want to get one. And this is big as a collectible.
I agree. This is really big. This is Berlin, mainly, Berlin
has become the center of freedom fighters have come of course
completely misguided about Berlin being the place you want
to be. In fact, it's the place where the NSA really wants you
to be. Yeah. It's our main honeypot city. It's a main hub
of activity. It's exactly where you want it to be.
EarLens guy has always had this magical aspy a lot of cities do
Paris. Madrid to some extent but but Berlin has always even
though when it was, you know, busted up by the powers that be
Germany in World War Two, it revitalized itself. And if you
go there's a very lively
I think I want to go I want to go check it out a bit. I want to
see. Well, I've been of course, I've been to Berlin, but I
haven't been since the Snowden revelations.
No. Oh, yeah. You should go.
I'd love to go see what's going on.
Do a podcast from there.
It'd be Well, a couple maybe there's a lot of people. Well,
of course, this is also where Poydras and where I heard
someone say kwatra. Watch for I swear to God. So what Laura
portra. Maybe we're not saying it right. I don't know.
No baby when she's sitting there in front of Amy Goodman. And Amy
Goodman says Laura Poitras, it's not quite true. He just sits
there and doesn't say no, no, no, everyone has Poitras. She
didn't say anything in the pre meeting. Interview. It seems
that that's her name. Hundreds.
I want to keep it portra and it's like Tim Collins. You put
all their point drop what tra kwatra kwatra. The Apple bomb is
their apple sauce. The tour man. What's her name? Snowden his
former girlfriend the big cute one. Who was Assange? His former
girlfriend?
Oh, they do not the stripper? No, not the stripper.
The stripper is supposed to be in Moscow with him now.
Whatever.
I think I've heard that too.
He's also missing some teeth on the right. I saw the last video
he did. Which was
missing teeth. Now
on the right hand side. Yeah, it's always a Google Hangout.
The right hand
side of his face. Yeah. So the left hand side would be a left
hook the left or blankets on the right hand side of his face.
That would be a left hook. Probably delivered by some
bruiser.
Well, I've never really paid attention or I'd have never seen
a most of the time. I guess we've always seen his face
mainly left profile, which is why I've always seen the broken
nose guard on the glasses. When he wears the last one while he
only wears the glasses. When he's betting or prop when he's
being Snowden when he's being the guy. The Snowden the brand.
Hey, you never know when he's out on the street in Moscow.
He's not brands noted.
I wonder if he's learned Russian by now it seems that he should
have I don't know if he's already fluent the language when
you're there that long. It may not be that easy to learn that
anyone can learn any language if you're stuck there. Oh.
See, I have some things from Bamford about Germany. I don't
want to play that. I think it's interesting, really.
I think the most interesting thing one of the more
interesting thing is here's the cop killer run down play that.
Yeah, this is New York.
Now to New York police officers have been shot dead in their
patrol car and what appears to be vengeful executions, the
officers were ambushed ish and shot at point blank range. The
gunman later committed suicide by turning that weapon on
himself. He made threats and social media to kill police
officers. Just hours before the shooting in response to the
deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner.
I don't think I can recall a time when some guy who has
committed acts of violence including death, but has not
killed himself while they always wind up killing themselves.
Let's find that unusual.
It's never the guy is taken alive. There's always killing
himself. Oh, well. You're in a you're in a cabin. You've been
running from the cops for you get you get burned to death. But
he killed himself in the flames. Yeah. So
you never talked to the guy. Yeah. Whatever the case is, if
this is true, which we assume that at least the dead policemen
are true. Yeah. Is that the story goes? Yeah, it's Sharpton.
He should be arrested.
But funny. You say that? No, no, he's
actually working in the White House.
Funny you say that? So we have a huge practice going on now
between the the PBA which is the pretty much the
national Bowlers Association. Yeah.
policemen's Benevolent Association. Oh, and the the
mayor of New York Bill DeBlasio. And literally saying de Blasio
and Sharpton have blood on their hands blood on their hands
they're saying and I'm being too and the end the police the mayor
came out and did a some speech the police turn their backs on
him this is not a good thing. This is this is not how the
mayor and the police usually interact and this is this is
problematic if you want you want some problems with policemen in
the New York cops Chicago
oh my god do
not this is not this is not the guys you want to have against
you know this is not the guys you want who are saying hey you
know what? Why don't we just do everything by the book?
No, definitely not. You don't want that your
city is going to fall apart pretty quickly. And and I agree
that Sharpton of all people Sharpton being an advisor now to
the White House consistently is troublesome man. I mean, this
guy I was in New York in the in the 80s and we had the Tijuana
Brawley case and its Sharpton was just such an It's so
annoying. And of course, that that turned out to be not true.
And you know, people just don't people are stupid. They don't
learn from history. This guy is a charlatan. And there's
Luckily, there's a lot of families who were saying, hey,
yeah, man, you don't speak for us go away. Some of them are
doing that finally, but then that doesn't really it gets a
little bit of reporting not much now.
Like I said, the Obama administration is fairly stupid.
And subject to bullshit artists. Yeah. And I would go back to the
CTO CEO, whatever that guy's title was Qudra who says skip
logic was some sort of thing and people were out there speaking
COBOL and whatever. He's just sound like a moron. He doesn't
know anything. Oh, no, it really weird. Logic, logic.
A J Johnson's last thing I got for us. Jay Johnson is a
replacement for leucaena. Paula Tano. Yeah, did you get Joe?
It's John.
It's not J just that you pronounce it? J? No. Yeah,
it's like Dinesh like dash j. J. J. J. Johnson. J. Yes. Mr.
Secretary Johnson. There you go. Now, we've got a lot of how do
you say COVID undocumented citizens? Yeah, here in Texas. I
know. I'm sure several.
Yeah, I think we have a few in California you everywhere.
And now I have a personal I have personal feelings about what's
going on how this works. And what is unacceptable to me is
the general statement. Our immigration system is broken.
You know, it's like, fuck you. But that's not Don't say that.
It's not broken. It's become bureaucratic has become
unaffordable, and it's become can
non does hasn't been enforced. It's where our laws on the books
are not enforcing
that, but I'll leave that for what it is. That it should be,
it should not cost $7,000 per person just to become legal in
America. It just shouldn't. This just makes no sense. It's never
been that way. And it's all since this went from the State
Department, to the Department of Homeland Security, these this is
a morass of bullcrap it needs to stop, that whole department
needs to go away. It's crazy. And then you get so now the idea
is, if you because people are so confused, there was no executive
order. The only thing that is being applied is discretion,
which any agency can apply discretion on who they are going
to go after and deport. And it's felons, not families. If you
remember, this is the little, the little Montra that they put
in felons, not families. But the Mexican population, who I that I
know and who I believe are probably undocumented here. They
are afraid of this guy saying this from my
homeland security perspective. We want to encourage people who
are in fact, not removal priorities, and have not been
for years. These are people who are just simply not going to be
deported. Because they've been here for years. We don't have
the resources and they become integrated members of society.
And if they're not removal priorities, ie they're not
criminals. I want them I want to know who they are. I want them
to come out of the shadows. And so we're offering people
consistent with our legal authority, the opportunity to
come out of the shadows, submit to a background check and be
held
accountable. Oh, yeah. Right away, sir.
No, any any illegal immigrant that happens to be here for
years? knows the ropes and the rope?
Nobody. Nobody is gonna go. Oh, yeah. No, this is a great idea.
Good. Finally.
Oh, yeah. They're asking me to come out of the shadows, and put
my name on the list.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not going to happen.
Oh, I mean, I mean, Hitler's Germany. I can I can now change
my name back to Rabinowitz
you're you're not a what are they priority? Aha. People are
so afraid now because they're that's the now they're really
quivering. No one even trust that no one trust any in any of
this.
That is not You're not stupid.
Yeah, but it's people are going back to Mexico. They're just
leaving. Screw this place. Well, yeah, probably the right
attitude.
Is the Mexican economy ever picked up? There would probably
be a lot more going back, but it's been ruined.
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interact. Don't just add you to a library. Photographs. Okay.
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