Any other intro was that good enough? That's good enough. Adam
curry, John C. Dvorak. Sunday, August 24 2014. Time for your
Gitmo nation media assassination episode 646. This is no agenda
monitoring charge 2.0 from the South Austin safe house here in
FEMA Region six in the capital, the drone Star State in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's supposed to be
boiling hot and it's not. I'm John C. Dvorak. Levin books
kill.
I'm just happy you're alive.
Why not? What if you
watch television all of Northern California is broken? It is.
There was a 6.0 magnitude earthquake.
Yeah, it was in the morning around three. Supposedly it
didn't wake anybody around here now. It was one of those
rollers, which doesn't make you sad. It doesn't. That's not the
kind of Quake that'll wake in the middle of the night. It
actually pushed deeper to sleep. Rockabye, baby. I've been in a
lot of those.
But yeah, I've been in a couple in LA. So
things are rolling. You know, it's like rolling along.
Everyone's showing this in wine country. I
presume this is yes, it was up in the Napa Valley. And I'm
seeing
people tweeting pictures of entire wineries, all the bottles
destroyed. Oh, the travesty.
Two bottles get on the show. Okay.
It's possible, possible. And this 6.0 magnitude, it is always
important for us to reiterate that this is no longer the
Richter scale. If this were a 6.0 on the Richter scale. There
would be a lot of dead people.
I think I would have felt it. Oh, totally. This is a no no,
this is the bull crap scale that they make it up as you go along.
Will they feel anything? Yeah, we'll call it a six. That's
exactly right. If things fall off the wall, I believe that
means it's a four. And I think six is right below. Seven is
where you have some real damage. And six is powerful. But it has
nothing to do with the actual measurement anymore of the
Richter scale. This is no longer used. That's why they call it
bit dropping. That's why they call it magnitude. And it sounds
great though, because you can really frighten people six.
Crikey. It was a six.
So I have a little anecdote about broken bottles. Okay,
there's a wine store in San Francisco which I get a lot of
my wine from because they have good prices and they're devoted
to the name or is this the candle? Oh, okay. And I'll sure
and so can al they had the big quake in 89 which is the one
that shook the it was the World Series was going on it shipped
to place and dropped to freeways. There's a mess.
The Candlestick Park game was happening, right? Yes. Live and
it was I remember that. I remember being in New York and
everyone's like, I was in a recording studio with Joan Jett
of all people. Oh, yeah, and everyone Oh,
interesting. I was actually in Abilene, Texas. I was always
told to go into a safe spot when there's a quake and you thought
Abilene was close enough seem so whatever the case was the guys
at Cornell told me that when the warehouse was decimated by the
quake
decimated does that mean only 10% of it was broke? Yeah,
but 10% Exactly. There was the board dough boxes which are
wooden and they hold 12 bottles and the bottles are inside the
wooden box with with wooden separators and the not one
bottle of Bordeaux was destroyed in the in the shaking but all
anything that was in a cardboard box is all busted up. So the old
way the old Bordeaux box the old wooden box with the wooden
separators the French way the French Way is the safest way in
an earthquake area. Mexico those never nobody would acknowledge
this. Let me they did the store but I mean it's like nobody's
written this up or maybe mentioned this to me right now.
So the bottles that I saw that we're on the ground
in Napa Yeah, we
were a it looked like they were in a salary storage salary. So
he would celery sticks a cellar I'm sorry, seller seller
storage.
Where do you Where are you storing your celery pointing the
brain with it at me
a CIA? confusing me. I'm looking
at is already impossible show title 1989 Loma pre pre pre pre
created earthquake. I'm looking at the book of knowledge entry.
And this, according to the book of knowledge was a 7.10 but
that's 7.1 on the moment mag Get to scale. So that is compared to
this it is on the same scale. I would like to see at a Richter
scale.
Yeah, you know, the rich are dumb the way they're doing it
now because you can't make real comparisons. And then they say,
well, one's a different kind. What's an uplift and one's an S
wave. And they're making all these different designs.
Is that your scientific voice?
Yeah, that is my new scientific voice.
And yeah, it's wave. Now.
Let me see. Okay, well, anyway, enough of that. What else is
going on?
Well, I thought that was.
I liked it. I just when all this happens, and Molly and Mickey
are in Los Angeles, to Los Angeles and Los Angeles this
weekend. And why?
Oh, you're just going to be troubled. This is trouble.
Of course, it's trouble.
Molly, I think. I don't know what I'm not supposed to talk
about
that guy.
It's like the standard women's anything. Exactly. Just with a
routine to their mom's teaching.
me just ask you, is that your Mollywood voice? I just want to
make sure we've got everything straight.
I mean, they get paid nothing at all. He just stays at home. They
met No, again, at least she's cynical.
No agenda, a bunch of right wing nuts. Stop.
And Mickey wanted to visit a few people in LA. And she's flying
Monday to Amsterdam, and I'm flying Monday from here. So
we're kind of connecting sometime on Tuesday. And then on
Monday, you're flying Monday I'm flying. Correct. Okay, and
writing this down. Please write that down. And one of the Molly
I think, had asked Mickey to be her date for a pre Emmy party in
the Beverly Hills or the Hollywood Hills or some mansion
some Gee, I
wonder how many pre Emmy parties there are probably 1000s
I don't think 1000s But there are certainly a number of them.
And some are better than others. And this was from what I
understand this was a party from some Silicon Valley guy who has
a house there or maybe his in LA Silicon Valley
was you know, it was no I like to know I don't know,
I was not informed. We should ask and from what I understand
emails, emails went out to everyone who Somalia was invited
to this and emails went out to everybody. No photos, no social
media. Hush, hush hush hush
yeah, now I really want to know who do what douche bag it is.
Douche bag list on me the point scale.
And I said to Mickey, I said this can't be any good.
Any party that is worth having in Los Angeles. You gotta have
you know people falling into pools off of King and cliffs.
You gotta have cops cops. You gotta have everyone's got it's
got to be all over social media.
I don't know.
I don't know. I will have a report.
I have just to give you a feeling of this kind of thing. I
have a small clip. Oh, boy. Now normally I if you don't if you
remember I once decided to cover for the show the AVN Awards,
the adult video network, is it No, no,
no, it's the I don't know what it is. But it's adult video
something. It's it's an Oscars for porn. And so and this is the
worst show ever. And it's very profane. And these girls are
it's just really a shame that they represent them. It's kind
of stupid is dumb sounding women and I'm going to play a small
clip. It said it's the of the two hosts. These are the two
women that are hosting the event and they bring them on stage
after a ribald comic a woman that was pretty funny comes on
stage and she's essentially ridicules men and I
just ask you Is this from this year's award ceremonies from the
tortoise
one that just this week to run they ran? They're running I'm on
Showtime or something may
I ask you why? There was no text message Adam turn on Show times
on they play it over and over again. I don't want you need to
alert me to these things.
Believe me. Can't watch it.
And you did. So you jumped on the grenade.
I watched it Yeah, I only pull this little bit out just to show
you what you'd have to deal with. On a long term basis with
a lot more profanity. I took the what was actually a record
breaking moment where I think they went a minute how long is
that clip? 51 seconds 51 seconds without cussing like a truck.
driver, but how hot and how hot they are these two women find it
to be here. Now we're not that
excited. Are you excited?
That sounds like Natalie Morris.
That's right. We have a great show planned for you tonight
with a lot of fabulous entertainment.
That's right. That's Mark Stone and DJ star they'll be playing
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going to be back out here in just a little bit with another
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That's gonna be so hot and so cool. And I can't wait to see
it. Right. Okay,
can you I mean, it's just a screeching, whiny, horrid. We
can't even say words without them sounding like they're being
read by a five year old. I it just unwatchable.
I blame. I blame them.
I blame this industry that could find out a couple of women who
were intelligent. I blame this
on the MTV Video Music Awards. This is what it has evolved to.
When they when the Video Music Awards first started the first
awards, I would say 84 I think. And by the way up until 1990s
When I left 1993. So for it was for Bolton to call them the
VMAs. Which makes so much sense. No, we had to stop the segment.
It's the Video Music Award. You can't say VMAs. Branding, right?
And of course now it is the branding is VMAs because you are
unstoppable. But this is how this is mostly,
you know, the branding theorists will tell you that you're not
the one that should control the branding. Thank you. Thank you,
which is a fact. And you are so because you don't know the
brand, right? You you portray the brand, but you don't
actually know because you're not the consumer of the brand.
Right, right. Right. I tell this to people constantly. And I say
because they're asking me what should I do? This should No, no,
no, you let them you let your your you let your customer the
buyer, you're not the buyer. I mean, even with this show, we
don't consume the show, we produce the show, we do the
show. It's the the other side of the picture that knows the brand
better than we do, because they're the ones that are buying
the show.
And this brings me to something very important. I was having
drinks and dinner with a friend. I have a couple of guy friends
here. 122 and a half, maybe three. And this is we've spoken
about him before. This is the big time New York banker who he
is actually now officially retired. He's my age he has
retired and has gotten out of the industry and moved his
family to Austin from New York City and mainly for his kids.
Right? You told us this right? I don't know if I told anyone on
the show. But I know I told you privately.
I think we brought it up. Okay.
And I like him because he's also trying to figure out what the
heck he's doing in Austin. What is it? You know, we're very much
the same level. But he has a lot of insight into the financial
industry and really understands the big game. He I think, well,
I asked him a couple of things. And our wives have connected and
they've had actually that's what he sent me an email. Our wives
have had two drinks two times together. This is not good. You
must must must connect you stopped
Why are you marry to that guy?
Why are you married to that guy?
And we we go by and first we're having he actually let's first
have drinks first and then go have dinner. So this is starting
off well. And we're talking and and I find I talk a little bit
about what what he just retired from. And he was he says you
know all financial business, all positions, it is all sales every
and it's either sales or someone who's programming the machine
but otherwise everyone's in sales. And they believe he his
job was selling big products to countries. So I think he's he's
not working for Goldman, but is a big big big firm probably one
of the the only healthy firms still left
and even that's in question that would be Goldman to me, but now
there's another one. And
and I think he probably Yeah, he probably although it's not
Goldman, I'm sure You sell, like what Goldman did did to Greece
and the products they sold that I think that's the kind of stuff
he was in. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So that makes sense. It's big
business. And besides him telling me that, that, you know,
seven of the 10 people who knows who are high level, and with
high level I'm talking B level. So he says he was a B level
banker in New York, not a where you have the 100 million dollar
pad and you know, you're always at the right restaurant with
your own table that is roped off, and you have the 15,000
square foot mansion in the Hamptons. But he was below,
which is big, I would say I consider that to be pretty big.
And he said, seven of the 10 people he knows of his level.
They have no idea if they're going to have a job in six
months. They're all worried. Sure. crapless
Yeah, all the time that he
says this is unique. These guys. He said this is very unique,
that they are so worried. It's different, he says subsequently,
and I'm going to get to the branding part. Subsequently, we
talked about something he's calling tarp 2.0. Which, as you
recall, TARP was the the so called bailout of the banks in
2008 months, right troubled assets, which really benefited
only the biggest benefit came to one group of banks, and that is
foreign banks. And we're so when he says tarp 2.0 He says the
European Union is going to need something very quickly.
Yeah, I think there's been Yeah, and but it may call he stays
connected. In other words to do to the whole to that,
what's that there's not you can read Bloomberg and stay
connected. He understands. He understands this business, he
looks at
an asset, you can read Bloomberg and not know what the hell
you're reading, right. But he's in a way, he's an important
asset to the show the point you're making. Now that we know
that the European Union is going to collapse, I don't branding is
really
no. And of course that so he's given I'm just telling you this
because he's good info. And then we're starting to talk a little
bit on my side of the fence and I'm talking about, you know, the
caliphate and, and, and I said, you know, ISIS ISIL is, you
know, but what is this crap? And he said, I think this is the
this is the perfect branding. This is so good. These guys are
so sleazy. He says those guys guys are so scary. For you guys
know, but also these guys are so scary. No one even knows what
the column. Yeah, he thought the ISIS ISIL is was was was the was
done on purpose. And that and of course it is,
which again, makes it look government. Well.
Hello.
I was thinking about this about the is it possible that ISIS,
which you came out of was well equipped by us, which came out
of Syria as as one of the groups that was attacking that couldn't
succeed?
Before that, really? I mean, move from Libya. It's yeah,
it's the same. It's just some group that were behind somehow.
Is it possible that the entire Iraq adventure was designed from
the beginning to have this? This is not a big surprise to
anybody? We're all flabbergast Oh, my God. Now what? But is it?
It'd be we wanted to rub allies and destroy and re design the
country so we could have our little Kurdish buddies have
their own little country and it just took a lot longer than we
thought it would is there was a resiliency and a kind of a fake
nationalism amongst the Iraqis who really aren't. A country is
not a country was one of these countries that was dreamed up
after World War One. I think this is going according to plan.
Well, we have discussed the the, the the Kurdistan and the
Kurdish state and breaking up Iraq into three was part of the
original 2003 invasion. And it didn't work out that way for a
number of reasons. I think there are multiple agendas at play.
And this is the McCain's of the world. See this right? They see
Yeah, let's break it up. And it's good for the oil and for
our buddies. I believe there is a bigger game at play, which
kind of leads into the the globalists who really don't have
any patriotic mission for their country like America. And I was
fun. I was watching a video. I like to watch the if you ever
spoken to someone who's Israeli or Arabic, but I've had it with
Israelis the most and they are so they'll say things like you
don't you don't need a PhD to understand this. Okay,
I hope they don't say it like that, but I'm sorry,
I couldn't couldn't quite get it up.
I would say you don't need a PhD to understand this. clear that's
all I can do I might Israeli guy is now Frank Underwood that the
the the puppet masters use that name is there's something much
bigger and it seems like America is known was at Pax Americana
you know America keeps the peace this is what it started with,
kind of like the Marshall Plan and and you know we're making
sure everything's calm and cool and collected and and really
what's happening from where from my vantage point is it seems
like almost purposely the way the media is and the way had
this has evolved and thank God we have social media, could it
get any better? We we are throwing messages at people and
incidences and situations sometimes as often as 24 hours
but we can also build something up so it'll be in America
certainly, you know, a Russian plane shut down and mh 17 shut
down. But Russia did Putin then we have caliphate and then we
have we have South Africa Ebola and it's just and it's going
back and forth and
things are really pounding us Yeah.
So that you you remain kind of in this powerless state when
it's so your mind is is blocked from concentrating on one thing
and seeing the reality kind of thing you kind of imprisoned in
this
that's why you would fall so popular Yes.
Yes you're you're imprisoned in
a baseball game nothing could be more relaxing than that.
But the way this is done with this distraction back and forth
your your you are in prison by superficiality almost. And then
of course we throw something called reality at you.
And you get imprisoned by this clip.
Oh, are we flowing today or what? What are we? Oh, I see it.
This became guard dash itself. deescalate
Kim Kardashian fans will be happy the American reality TV
star has announced She'll soon be releasing a book of her best
selfies. The 352 page book entitled selfish is due to hit
stores from April 2015. And it comes as no great surprise as
the Instagram page will testify. The 33 year old is something of
a selfie devotee.
Hey, now
I can't wait. Can you imagine this will be a best seller. Oh
yeah. Priestess. It's a bunch of stupid pictures of herself taken
by herself. Get a photo credit. I mean, she some believable I
happen to know something about this book. That's not entirely
true. She shot a lot of this on her vacation in in Thailand.
Wait, hold on a second stop. You happen to know a lot about this
book. Yep.
Yeah, I saw the episode where she was making it you may
continue okay. This is important research. And if you think that
doesn't affect me and I did that it's not a dangerous task. And
you were mistaken my friend but I do these things for the show.
So yeah, I did very professional camera and she got a light ring
on it says not to phone selfie stick pretty good. And she had
her assistant take some pictures over it's not it's but it is all
of her that's for sure. But they're not specifically
selfies. And I do just need to remind everybody about the just
quickly and I'll get off at it. But it's important. They're new
listeners to the show every day or people who just don't listen
at all they think they're listening because they're in the
superficiality of the media. The selfies phenomenon in
combination with oh really with your your portable jewel
Bejeweled device with your camera, your phone and the
social media networks is an international health crisis.
Because you are not portraying reality you're seeing all of
your friends wonderful life. They're fantastic looking food,
the beautiful sunsets and you want to portray the same thing,
which is by taking a picture Hold on a second. I had my eyes
shut didn't get the right set. Are you looking good? Yeah,
you're looking good. Oh, perfect. Smile. Great. Oh, yeah.
Fantastic. I like a crop rotate, filter, upload post. Hey, wait a
minute. No one's liked it yet. Why haven't they liked to come
on? Please like my photo? I really want you to like my
photo. This is not healthy behavior. And this is this is
the this is some form of another tipping point with Kim
Kardashians. Selfie book.
Oh, yeah. Hi, I agree. And again, selfies are also
dangerous. Apparently a couple fell off a cliff. And then
another guy shot himself in the head because apparently he likes
to take selfies the Mexican kid Latino who'd like to put a gun
to his own head and it takes off and I guess he pushed the wrong
button.
Well, okay, so we are jumping around a bit but I have done
some work on this. And last night was Saturday night I'm
here at the at the safe house. And as you know, certainly on
Saturday nights I like to drink My herbal tea and browse through
my medical journals. And I knew what I was looking for. And I it
was based upon something you said in our previous
conversation of a related topic, which is the Ice Bucket
Challenge. This is a part of the phenomenon and you said
something that triggered my thinking and then I connected a
couple dots you said that Bill Gates doing this must be because
he is completely guilt ridden. At which I according to the
medical journals, and the research, professional divorce,
you are correct, but only partially correct for the entire
phenomenon. There is a compendium of research that I
found from Stanford University. And the and this is from 2010 is
a compendium or a collection of research documents and
conclusions. And the title of this Compendium is coined the
term moral self licensing. Are you familiar with this?
Continue? This is very, this is very, very good. And I of
course, I have this document highlighted and annotated in the
show notes. But let me read a couple things and you jump in
when you feel appropriate the abstract past good deeds can
liberate individuals to engage in behaviors that are immoral,
unethical, or otherwise problematic. behaviors that they
would otherwise avoid for fear of feeling or appearing immoral.
In this companion, we research, moral self licensing and the
effect in the domains of political correctness, pro
social behavior, and consumer choice. This John is
gonna die.
Oh, I'm sorry,
gold, Jerry. It is gold. It also explains a lot about what the
precursor to this is, which is the changing your Twitter icon,
texting a $5 donation for a concert for the Haiti. But it
works both ways. So we the obvious presumption is, oh, wow,
if I change my Twitter icon, I will feel much better about
something that I'm you know, that I haven't done anything
about. But when you dive into the research, it is not just
making yourself feel better for not having some done something.
The research shows quite conclusively from multiple
studies, that when you do something that appears to be
good, like an ice bucket challenge, or changing your
Twitter icon, you are actually in many cases, self licensing
yourself for bad behavior down the road. And so when, when you
look at and read some more highlighted bits from the
document, when you think about the Ice Bucket Challenge, what
bothered you and I was that and actually, it has all the
elements built in, that you either take the Ice Bucket
Challenge, or donate $100. And so this is it has the immoral
behavior built into it, you douse yourself with the ice
bucket. So you don't have to pay the $100. Which to us made no
sense. But that is so this is the the self and the moral self
licensing built into the system upfront. I just they've raised a
lot of money. But I guarantee you a lot of people who took
this challenge did not write any check. They don't I did the
bucket challenge, whatever. And it has that beautiful social
aspect, which we used to gripe about. And it's no it doesn't
happen anymore. The chain letter when email first came out,
oh, yeah, that says all the elements of a chain letter I
hate J letters, you have no idea
you will die. If you do not send this to 10 More people will die
you will die. And that's the the I'm calling out calling out. I'm
tagging three other people. Have you have 24 hours or you will?
Yeah, no, that's exactly what the model is. This is modeled
after that
moral self licensing. This is from the moanin and Miller 2001
study. This has been studied a lot. So I'm gladly
having there's a couple of other coincidental things involved
here. One. One is my idea but the other one is, it's noted
noteworthy that in certain Eastern European cultures,
jumping into a pool of ice is a way of cleansing your sins. And
the Russians do this right as they have it on the news
constantly and it shows Yeah, idiots jumping into ice water.
And but I'm also seeing this as kind of a satanic ritual as as
in Have a baptism. Because make no mistake about it. This has
all the elements of a baptism. Thank
you very much. That is not that's not discussed in this but
that I totally and
I do and I do believe that this baptism thing and may be cursing
these people to having a spate of extremely bad luck. Yeah to
the point where I would keep an eye on them I keep an eye on
Lindsay Lohan I keep an eye on everybody who made a big scene,
dumping the getting baptized with the ice water. And I think
it's already gotten close to that with this clip. I have the
ice bucket challenge goes bad.
I'm sorry I was
in Kentucky for firefighters were when the bucket challenge
went wrong. The firefighters were helping a college marching
band with the challenge. After they sprayed the students with
water the crew pulled the ladder back and the bucket got too
close to a power line. One of them is now in critical
condition. And power was knocked out in the area. No Yeah. The
ice
bucket itself. Yeah. That was struck. Yeah, the arct by the
lightning bolts and
art and art. Yeah, so the thing that blows me away and this is
why this ice bucket challenge is potentially extremely bad for
charitable work for just crying. Is that morals I'm gonna read
some more because this is gonna blow you away. Moral self
licensing the moaning and Miller study of 2001 occurs when past
moral behavior makes people more likely to do potential immoral
things without worrying about feeling or appearing a moron a
lot of this study shows about it's about the appearance. The
phenomenon of moral self licensing has been documented in
various domains under different headings over the past decades
with a lot of known information about this. The anxiety
associated with political correctness in the contemporary
United States this is from a study from 1998 provides
numerous opportunities to observe moral self licensing.
Modern Americans generally wish to avoid feeling or appearing
prejudiced yet all the same can be tempted to express views that
could be construed as prejudice. So this is where this political
correctness comes from. And the internet and social media is
extremely, extremely bad eating it. Eating it, research has
shown that individuals strategically seek out
opportunities to act morally, if they know they might need a
moral license for an upcoming dubious action. This is
fantastic. So the people who are possibly According to research,
the people who take the ice bucket challenge may be doing so
because they know they're going to they have an upcoming dubious
action, and they want to cleanse themselves up front. This is
dynamite. When individuals have a chance to establish their
kindness, generosity or compassion, they should worry
less about engaging behaviors that might appear to violate pro
social norms. For example, individuals whose past good
deeds are fresh in their mind may feel less compelled to give
to a charity than individuals without such comforting
recollect already gave Exactly. Already gay already gave. And
other charity I said that, you know, autism when they must be
incense because the people, the lot of people who may who
probably would not have donated are not going to donate anymore,
and they probably didn't even donate the large majority of the
people who took this challenge did not write a check. Even
though of course, it's working. Of course, money is coming in.
Of course, that's just that's the the logic of numbers, you
know, big numbers, of course, it's going to work. Okay. The
9099 I'm not gonna read all the names of the of the studies. But
there's, these are all footnotes. And these are these
are real Stanford type research. This is this is why we
got that already go.
The research show that individuals want the credit for
moral intentions without having to pay the cost. This suggests
if you let individuals express their exemplary intentions, they
may feel licensed not to follow through on them. For example,
well, I want to stop you here for a sec, because I want to
mention somebody which is also said this is actually a biblical
thing. And there's one other thing that bothers me, which is
the concept and I think this is I don't have no scripture. So I
can't give you a quote, but I have plenty of producers who do
and will but there's the thing about about showing off your,
your contribution. In other words, you have Yeah, I'm a
generous person I've given $5,000 I'm taking the Ice Bucket
Challenge. I'm gonna double ice on myself and I'm gonna give
money. This sort of thing is is considered bad form. If you want
to be a janitor. Whereas person, if you want to be a generous
person, you just You're, you're a generous person. You're not
You're not supposed to be giving money for your own gret, self
aggrandizement, you're not supposed to do that. It's it's
bad form. And that's all I see within the
reason why that is scripture. And indeed someone will send
that to us is, I believe, a scripture is not just all made
up stories about some dudes in the sky on a cloud, just like
living a strict orthodox life, there are some real learnings
behind them. And this makes sense if you a grand your eyes
and say I'm doing or I'm going to, history has proven and it
has been known throughout history, that people then have
this self moral licensing and they don't follow through.
Here's an example. Asking people the probability they would
donate blood in an ideal world have led them to make much lower
estimates of the probability they will donate blood in
reality, the so the non real world is social media. And the
real world is the one where you know, you stick a pin in your in
yourself into hearts. So when you say in the fantasy world,
I'm going to donate blood, here's my Twitter icon, I'm
changing, the likelihood of you doing that is almost nil.
Because you've already done the bid, you've already given
yourself the license not to do it, who the fuck is gonna know.
And this is research. These imagined claims allow people to
show they really want to be an upstanding citizen, even though
they probably will not follow through on their intentions.
This is from a 1995 study. And then we moved into something I
think the advertising guys and someone's got to be using this
then I think we just haven't figured it out yet. I need to
look at it closely now that this is on a radar, consumer choice.
So consumer choices is where the money is made. Consumer Choice
represents a third domain in which moral self licensing is
very evident. Everyday purchasing decisions are tinged
with morality. At the extreme. Some utilitarian philosophers
argue that it is immoral to spend disposable income on
unnecessary things, because that money could go to people in need
elsewhere this from 1972 studies,
right? You know your food it could go to they've stopped
their starving children Africa, is always starving children.
According to the logic of self licensing. individuals whose
prior choices establish them as ethical and reasonable spenders,
should be more likely to indulge in frivolous purchases later on.
This is how you are tricked into buying stuff. A 2006 survey a
study explored this question directly by asking participants
to make a hypothetical choice between purchasing a luxury good
designer jeans, or a relative necessity necessity a vacuum
cleaner, participants who had first been asked to imagine
doing something altruistic. So this is this is how the brain
was manipulated. Participants who had first been asked to
imagine doing something altruistic chose the luxury item
more often than those who had not. So they hadn't done
anything altruistic. They had been asked to think about it. In
other words, participants who imagined doing good deeds were
able to establish their morality and this license them to make
frivolous choices with less guilt.
I add something to that. This is this is an interesting idea. We
will actually start to spot this now. Because the one thing you
have to you have to understand about people have to understand
about the the marketing and advertising world they study
this stuff for a reason. Yeah. I mean, it's not as though you go
into advertising and the next thing you know, you're writing
ad copy that sells product. In fact,
the most people think that it's like madmen, where we all go sit
down and say, you know, this looks great. It will appeal to
women. The real companies, the ones that really know what
they're doing. They have they've they have the best scientists
working for them, they really do. Here's an example of a
another real world example, from 2007. And this was for a movie
rental. It blows me away. optimistic expectations of
future consumer behavior can licensed people to make more
self indulgent choices in the present. A con con and Dahar
2007 study demonstrated as compensation for an unrelated
task, participants chose a free movie rental from a list
containing both lowbrow films. Example would be Ocean's 11. And
highbrow films, Schindler's List, illustrating that this
choice had a moral tinge. A separate group had rated the
high brown movies as more virtuous than the low brown
movies. Participants were more likely to pick a low brown
movie, when they expect it to select a second movie from the
same list one week later, compared to when they thought
they were choosing one movie just in isolation. So this is
how choice is manipulated by giving people some very obvious
choices and a timeframe to make this choice. And you and it's
kind of counterintuitive. And isn't everything we discover on
the show counterintuitive. You think about it to what popular
belief is. This is how you can be manipulated, without really
doing that much work.
Maybe people would just rather watch the ocean's 11. Well,
here's some more entertaining. I also have to say Shindo
Schindler's List is very entertaining.
Social labeling may be one way to frame goal pursuit as
commitment. Here's a study from 75 that tested different tactics
to increase neatness among fifth graders, the group of children
who were told repeatedly that they were tidy, so they were
given the label, you are tidy children littered less than the
group that was told they should be neat and tidy.
This is this is this is mind boggling to me.
I remember I'm reminded of the it was it's one of the
commercials, unfortunately, remember the product. So it
wasn't that effective, but a product for some sort of
chocolate or something like that. And they use the they use
the mixed term. Guilty pleasure.
Isn't it beautiful?
Yeah, that was that was stuff like stems from this sort of
thing
I define and then I'll just do the final one. So I think
everyone gets the point. This is from 2009. I liked this one.
This was a study, all of the study, the participants were
Democrats, they were given a choice to express their support
for either Obama. This would be like the licensing condition, or
carry the control condition. They were asked to state how
they would divide a pot of money. Remember all Democrats a
pot of money between an organization serving a white
community and one serving a black community participants
with higher scores on the modern racism scale. Now this is Mrs.
Just have to believe that it is a measure of prejudice, which
was developed in 1981. If you've ever heard of this, but there's
a racism scale. Participants with higher scores on the modern
racism scale, whose commitment to a egalitarian goals was
presumably weaker, show the licensing effect, they allocated
more funds to the white organization after having
expressed support for Obama. In contrast, participants with
lower modern racism scale ratings, whose commitment to
egalitarian goals was presumably stronger, showed a marginal
consistency effect. They allocated more fun to the black
organization after having expressed support for Obama. So
you see, this is very important, how these issues are portrayed,
certainly on television and propagated and amplified through
social media.
Well, that's one of the things we pick up on our show. That's
the reason we identify even though we don't know the studies
we do now of course, but we've spot things like condemning guns
as a precursor to get people to vote for the Democrats even
though it's never mentioned. Right? No one ever says we you
know, you should hate guns are going to kill your children vote
Democrat, they never do that. In fact, the only out overt ad I've
ever seen, I just haven't have a clip of it. That is outrageous.
The over two, this is a clip from the National Rifle
Association, actually. And it showed up on all things of all
things that showed up on NFL networks. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
let me said that and it seems to be dated because this is really
targeting Bloomberg. But it's a pro gun advertisement.
Liberals call this flyover country. It's an insult. But
nobody insults your life. Like this guy. Michael Bloomberg,
billionaire elitist, hypocrite. Bluebird tries to ban your snack
foods, your soda and most of all your guns. Bloomberg said the
largest county in Colorado is as far rural as you can get. I
don't think there's roads there. That's what he thinks of your
state to keep your politics in New York and keep your hands off
our guns and our freedom. Yes, yes.
Yes. Yes. He was called out in the ice bucket challenge. I
might add by the by Gabby Giffords and her husband. They
did not Bloomberg the the Yes. The the CEO of the NRA was
called out not Bloomberg. The CEO of the NRA was called out
that would make sense. This is this is now
completely been politicized. And so as getting an extra dimension
Representative
John Dingell, a Democrat from Michigan, accuses some
Republicans of defunding ALS research while taking the Ice
Bucket Challenge. He tweeted since 2011. House Republicans
have cut national institutes of health funding by billions. And
you thought dumping ice water on your head was cold.
So this has been politicized and interesting to note that this
has been outlawed in the government. Bandcamp Gomery of
Harford spoke about this and the ambassador's who are not allowed
to participate in this? Of course, obviously fantastic
cause one
of the beats one can I guess what it is? Is it is it correct
that the State Department center center cable to its ambassadors
to ban them from participating
that it wasn't it's not limited? It's not just about ambassadors.
Federal government ethics rules prevent us from using our public
offices, such as in back to high public offices, such as
ambassadors for private gain, no matter how worthy the cause is,
and this is of course, a worthy cause. That, for that reason,
high ranking State Department officials are unfortunately
unable
to hold on a second she just violated the rule herself by
saying it's a worthy cause.
Well, no, not entirely. The reason why is the rule is in
place, no matter how wordy the cause, you are not allowed to
use your office to raise money like Eleanor Holmes, whatever
her name is, you know, people who call up. I was gonna say
Eleanor Holmes, Rigby, I don't know Norton, not in the Ice
Bucket Challenge. Okay, sorry about the one channel there.
It's the C span has been a little bad. Research suggests.
I'm almost at the end here, but it's just so much boggling my
mind. Research suggests that's licensing the self licensing is
not merely self a self presentational strategy.
Instead, it seems to reassure the self. And these are all this
is an important word self selfies. This is the stuff we're
dealing with right now. It seems to reassure the self that
subsequent behavior is legitimate. 2001 study showed
that licensing occurred even when the audience who observed
the morally dubious behavior knew nothing of the prior
licensing behavior, suggesting that self image played a role in
the phenomenon individuals who imagined doing something
altruistic rated themselves higher on items such as I am
compassionate, I am helpful and that this change in self
perception mediated whether participants then felt licensed
to prefer a frivolous product that you are being you are
definitely being used in this way. And we are going to be
paying attention to it now. And I the I find the Ice Bucket
Challenge and again, just rehashing having the challenge
include the immoral behavior of not donating a few perform the
self Licensing Act of dumping ice over your head is it's a
short circuit it is it is everything right in one go in
one second, and you get to share it with your friends and you get
to call them out with the chain of metal that chain chain chain
letters were came in the mail. I remember getting them I remember
my first one when I was nine. My mom's Yes, my mom said oh, okay,
well get your 10 stamps. You know, you don't want to die.
Oh, geez.
Yes, I have mother issues too. I'm working on the Wow,
emotional blackmail. I know we all have crap going on. Okay,
I'm in therapy. I'm working on it when
I get one of those I still don't get him that much. Maybe once
every couple of years now. Besides bouncing everybody who
would send me one of these things I use the Explorer eight
the sender Oh yeah. And and then I use it blacklist them so they
never can get but but these people who send these things
around as always, and there's some of us that are creative,
they're very creative about the you know, the kids are gonna die
and he's he's prayers and you have to read this little ditty
and he read it out loud and I mean there's a million
possibilities and and they're always the same you know and it
does they always as implication you've got to do this you got to
send it to five more people it's very important and they don't
even have to be necessary about you're gonna die some of them
are political. You know Obama is actually you know, a reptilian
and here's all the here's all the data and send this to five
of your friends you know that so everyone knows that kind of
thing. It's just I find it I find it offensive that I even
get one when somebody sends me one. I am personally offended.
In the conclusion of this Compendium there is something
that I think pertains certainly to me and perhaps to to you and
to Austin, this am this And I'll say that again,
and others and many others.
Although much of the research highlighted in this Compendium
highlights the dark side of moral self licensing, we wish to
suggest that moral self licensing may sometimes have
more desirable consequences. As discussed in the section on
political correctness, moral self Licensing can alleviate
anxiety about saying something offensive. Thus, self Licensing
can be a valuable strategy to facilitate open conversations
about sensitive topics. This is I think, this is what I do.
When I kiss this what
I call out things by the name and it was like we're we're
Tourette's you're What are you black? You're Jew? You're
whatever I say it like it is.
It? What would What have you done it previously to give
yourself this license?
No, I do it all the time. The way I just talked to five, but I
got it. I got it. You always give everyone you see on the
street? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, always give them five bucks.
No, no, no, you have to reverse it, John, you have to reverse
it, instead of me doing something good. So I can so I
can feel good about myself doing I do bad things, to give myself
license to talk openly without guilt about things. So I call
people now. Horrible.
You're violating your own thesis that you just outlined.
I'm telling you what they just said it can't you can look at it
in the reverse.
No, but you can also look at it and they said the positive but I
think if you're gonna go with positive stuff, you have to have
the you still have to have the license. Now. Here's the joke.
You're not you. You're kidding. You're a do gooder. You don't do
bad things you'd like to imagine that you do? Yes. Yes. Yes. This
is you know, go around eating people up down the street. You
don't kick old ladies. And you don't kick him in the knee? No,
you
know why? Because I do all that verbally in the imaginary world
of this show. Therefore, I'm a really nice guy outside of
the show. What do you do negative on this show? Oh, I
don't know. I call people a holes. Horrible people. baby
killers, sir. All realistic assertion.
Correct. But not even accurate.
All right, I have to work on myself and figure this one out.
But a little self license is a fact. Yeah, it's
a good one. So that's, that's the winner for today's show. No
clips, but it's done.
Let's go home. Moral self licensing. It is just beautiful.
It is truly truly Well, we'll
see this won't be the first bull crap thing we have. I mean,
we've seen it with the icons, the Twitter icons, which seemed
a goal you more than anyone. And the
only way it only got only galls me, because I know and we now
have,
you know, and I know we all know that you put the change the icon
you think you've done something? Yeah. This is the same as all
the outrage over net neutrality. Yeah, I did my part. What part
did you do, I said is bad.
So for success, if you want to have success, you need to have
someone do something trivial instead of doing something
meaningful and mention that in the same challenge and have them
send it on like a like a chain letter. So we can use this for
any we can say Haiti. Poor and so Haiti is suffering from
cholera. pour a bucket of diarrhea over your head or send
$1,000 to Haiti and tell everyone else to do this now and
call them out and or it's going to be they're going to die.
I have a suggestion. Okay. I think anyone that's involved in
the Ice Bucket Challenge, even though I think it's long since
jumped to shark, but I would suggest if you get to give
somebody that dump ice water, find a way to pee in the bucket
a little bit.
Okay, areas everywhere, they're the fine button it down to third
grade. Great. Thank you for that. Thank you for your courage
John C. Dvorak. And I will say in the morning to you my friend
and fellow Professor John
in the morning, you Adam curry in the morning and all ships at
sea boots on the ground feed near subs in the water, and all
the days and nights out there.
Do you eat in the mornings everyone in the chat room who
has been participating? It's very nice to see them
participate in this particular conversation. They are
recognizing themselves I love seeing that in the morning to
our artists in the morning to our artists who are always
helping with the show great art really, really really great art
we had on six for three from
Norwich they had to pick from Yeah, this was this was the lot
of potential winners and this was the
the Fab Four dressed up as it was ISIS Of course this because
the three of these horrible ISIS beheaders are now known as The
Beatles. which I will say is funny by itself because they're
from London and there is not a single London or in the London
universe universe or elsewhere who will think or agree with you
that the Beatles are from London. The Beatles were from
Liverpool and this is they're very specific in London about
they make a big deal, but I would never say they're from
London. No, no, that's a fact. No agenda art. generator.com is
where you can see all of and Alexander score twice in a row.
I'm appointed out of the blue. Yeah, just on a roll. Well,
let's see. Don't be discouraged or be encouraged to a lot of
these guys. They
get hot. They get hot in there. And Nick Durant had a string of
about five and
he had many more he had strings of five and then
one after the other after their no with no break. And then
Martin JJ was string and so he had to retire semi retired. Dark
says, I've added I've just winning all with every week,
I'll let the other losers.
So be encouraged that your mojo comes back. But we also we
really just choose the best art and and usually I'll say, oh,
man, he's already three in a row. And we got them. Yeah, but
it's the best. We are fair, we have to be fair about these
things. And we
have to be fair about thanking our producers and executive
producers, beginning with Ed Farrell, who's another I think
this is just the third in a row. I think we missed the last show.
But this is another instance right?
It's a sack of sevens into the night.
Yes Akka sevens is tonight $1,777.77 He says I can finally
call myself a knight I love what you guys do please keep up the
good work can I get a job some job karma because I need a new
job.
Wait a minute. Does he is he out of work because you have a job
who just wants a new job? Well
when you say new job that Mitt assumes you have a job okay.
Anybody who doesn't like his job
well Edie Thank you very much we of course will be very delighted
to bring you into the table of the Knights and Dames later in
in the program and appreciate you being a sack of sevens night
ISACA sevens night and yes of course jobs
jobs, jobs and jobs or jobs.
This stuff works by the way this is not again we have not come up
with this this is producers who have determined this this is
part of our genius we don't have you know a gene but it's what is
part of our genius is that we entered the genius comes
naturally because we're lazy we're lazy we are
procrastinators. We don't like working on stuff that doesn't
interest us. And you and I've had producers and when producers
are in charge of the show, they do what the producer wants. And
this is how great shows fail such as that. What was the show
that I watched the the musical dancing show about Broadway with
the girl from God willing me willing.
So fat if so, so fabulous that you forgot the name?
Well they ruined it or show time or
show girls are way ahead of the Broadway and smash Smash. Okay,
your answer, Bobo? No. Well, that is a good story because the
story behind that that show, which was a producer, a single
minded woman who had a vision for the show. And her vision was
actually meta meta meta was
a meta meta meta but no,
this this is a meta because the story was about a woman and of
course, its producers about writing story, but
the point was is that she had this vision for the show and it
was attracting a very loyal audience of weirdos I would say
it's okay, I like my singing and dancing. And who likes singing
dancing because it was kind of based on let's can we beat Glee
at its own game, right? Which I don't want I don't like Glee at
all. Well, it's a different style and this woman had a
certain and I thought it was getting traction. Annoyingly so
because I never liked to show I thought it was too navel gazing
but that's me and and but but some suits in the network and I
believe it must have been NBC because they're the biggest
screw ups are set well I don't know you know we could probably
read our demos not right we got to move this and that and we got
to change this and that I don't like the way this going. They
come and start fooling with the show she's gets into a battle
royale I guess with the with the suits. And I guess was either
fired or walked. And they brought in some new good guys
who changed the structure of the show completely made it more
entertaining to people like myself, but I'm still not
watching it so that doesn't do them any good. And boom done.
Over busted.
Well, the one I identified is as the core audience is The format
of the show was blah blah blah blah singing and dancing
transition from rehearsal into the real thing and back again
and blah blah blah blah I don't care about the storyline or like
Angelica Houston
I think that was her idea and I'm i and they but they stopped
doing they had entire
episodes with no singing and dancing
plot what is the who wants a plot Show Notes singing and
dancing now on it is the opinion but looking back on this and
listening to you and it was seeing the success of shows like
Glee that and then if you take a look at So You Think You Can
Dance or America's Got Talent or all these shows which are
extremely popular some of them they run two or three times a
week, which have mostly singing and dancing yes at America wants
singing and dancing this
at the chat room just pointed out something very important.
That doesn't happen often but here it is. Sorry. little snide
remark, Bollywood, Bollywood plot always the same who gives a
crap singing and dancing with beautiful people? That's it.
That's it so just singing and dancing yet and Broadway shows
are the big Broadway musicals are mostly singing and dancing,
and they're very effective.
Orange is a new blank. They almost screwed it up. They
almost screwed up. Orange is the new blank. What was it that
attracted all audiences to Orange is the New Black. I have
no idea realistic lesbian sex. This is simple. Every three
episodes you have to have some kind of realistic lesbian sex.
They were the first eight episodes of season two. I didn't
watch any more until 910 1112 Then they picked it up a good
again. It's so easy.
Well, this again is the what we were talking about earlier in
the show, which is the your branding is really comes from
the other side of the equation. You have to be listening
customers, the ones who are buying into it, that would be
you in the case of that yes, smash shows you would be a
better advisor, you running through our consulting company.
It's an NBC
You mean the hugely successful curry Devorah consulting
organization? Yes, everybody knows we actually put out one
proposal and they didn't even answer us.
Well, that's because they probably were stunned.
Reasonable ideas that's returned to the show 646 rundown we're
gonna die poor All right. Even marshy, marshy or marshy of
Sunnyvale, California right down the road here. 666 So he came in
with a six six it sounds like I'm maybe the first with the
mark of the beast. The big beast actually. When we first
introduced it, we had a couple so I think we had three we did
Yeah, it's nice. I would I would like to mention although it goes
without without saying at this point that coverage and analysis
you both provide is invaluable. John's breakdown of Ebola and
Adams continuing analysis of the Israeli Moon
Why do you mock me?
are spot on maybe note something he's in Sunnyvale. Thanks for
being one of the bastions of honesty and reporting I'd like
you to take this opportunity to call out a few douchebags ready.
Oh, okay.
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Putin
that was not the kid a regular Putin
and an amazing and pigs and human clothing which is one of
my favorites. I
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Okay, yeah, here we go. That is freedom
you've got karma. Nice.
Sir Don Tommaso de Toronto came in with $646 which makes him the
member of the 646 Club. We
we haven't had that in a long time. Great. Thank you.
kettleby. It's gonna be it's rare. Yeah. kettleby, Ontario,
and he just says a short note just from dawn to Moscow to
Toronto. Here's my Pay Pal in drome for episode 646. Hey,
boners give a little okay. He says that's a shout out and you
would like a little karma for the rest of us. Absolutely.
You've got karma.
Continuing with this a nice group. And this came in as a
check from French Francis Sheehy in Worcester, Massachusetts
$500. And it just came in as a straight up check in a piece of
blank with a piece of blank paper in the mail. No, no, no
note, and this is what we're talking about with the, you
know, very casual and meaningful donation.
I got a check for $1,000 in the mail yesterday.
Okay. And it was just for your voice. No,
no, no. It was from a it wasn't an official looking envelope.
And it was, yeah, it. Didn't we have this whole thing with us
all the time. But I haven't ever seen this particular one. Isn't
there some rule against tricking consumers? Yes, there's actually
a law against what you did where you're about to describe, I got
them when I was taking my seminars and direct marketing.
They brought this up and you can't do this, you can't do
anything. It makes it look like there's a check inside.
Well, it's not only it is a real check, and it says this is a
real check. And that had two flyers, I'm sorry, I left it in
the in the great room, so I can't get it to read it
verbatim. But I was I did set it aside to discuss it had one note
in English one in Spanish, of course, because we're really
about tricking our Mexican friends here. And on the back,
it says endorse here and you can catch this as a real check. But
it does by signing this, if you agree to the terms of repayment,
and the repayment is and it even says it right there. You will be
paying for this $1,000 check which you may use for you can
cash it get a $1,000 you will be repaying $1,458 over the course
of the payments. So it's kind of like a a credit card only it's
in the form of a cash check, which is very appealing if
someone would need 1000 bucks right away. Yeah. And what's
interesting as I delved into it, there is a handling fee or they
call it something I can't remember specifically, even if
you pay off the $1,000 Immediately, the $300 of the
handling fee is due Regardless, this is an unbelievable scam for
people who see a check and need $1,000 And I was appalled. I was
just appalled This is being sent out and that it's legal.
It's probably not legal. Well, somebody has to you know the
problem is there's so many of these scams and so much
illegality going on through the mail which is makes it very easy
to prosecute. The prosecutors aren't doing anything about this
stuff. It's just it's I don't know what's going on. Get out.
They don't care. That this was a Pocahontas deal. This is
Elizabeth Warren who
Oh yeah, no. All over this and she has done nothing. But ladies
and gentlemen, this contest is a woman making his way to the
brain. Wave 333 pounds. Here's what Ron do
David Foley came in I see
these are these are loyal subjects of the Grand Duke who
sent
the Grand Duke of SC three to $33.33 seems to be his favorite
thing of late
he's up there in the in the in the earthquake zone isn't he's
in
Los Gatos, which is down south. Oh, okay. south of San Jose.
Actually.
He's okay. He's fine.
You know, that's, that's there's word when that goes off down
there. It's nasty. Right in the morning, John and Adam, thank
you for providing analysis and insight that can be found
nowhere else. Please send a dose of that wonderful no agenda
karma. I'd love to do that. Karma.
No, where else?
What is that devices using?
Damn Astrid, the vibe counters of Tokyo is also in with
$333.33. What
is the device you use for that? It's just wonderful. Is that an
analog or digital device? This
thing right here that I'm talking about right now? Yeah,
hello, people. This is a green spot Irish whiskey tube that the
bottle of whiskey was in. And if you kind of caulk it to the side
of your mouth and then talk into it, it sounds like I'm in an
echo chamber.
It has a it has a one when you do it really quietly and you
really close mic it it's, it's I think it's a licensable sound.
You think so?
Yes, that is exactly what it is.
Okay. Anyway, it's a bit. This is the real deal. We're not
you're not using electronic gizmos and software I'm doing
that's a real deal to
Yes, that's true. This is true. Those are that's very real.
Anyway, three and $33.33 from her out of Tokyo, John and Adam,
you seem there Are you much on a roll lately? I noticed I was
sitting on a bagel. I think it was a sushi by big karma shot to
you another karma shot for all the cover artists cover art
artists. Like gift wrapping on a president makes my heart beat
faster. Oh,
let's just let's just re reread what she says artists.
nother karma shot for all the cover art artists. It slides
life gift wrapping on a present. It makes your heart beat faster.
Her heart specifically hers. Yeah, while she's talking about
herself. Yeah. And one more karma shot for all the dudes
called Ben, especially the ones who eat octopus balls in Osaka.
Ah,
these are the guys who are at the 50th birthday party. The
guys from Osaka the eaters? Yeah. from Osaka. Exactly.
You've got karma. So
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I have the clip here. Hold on, let's just listen to it again,
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again, he says if you accept that science is causing climate
change,
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I think the science is causing the climate to change. I this is
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Yeah. And now, at the beginning of the show, we kind of got on a
little track and then we went off into another dimension and
which was very interesting, but I'm gonna go back to talking a
little bit about some of the battles that the United States
is fighting and around the world.
And I would say one of those would be Cal
caliphates definitely on the list but so I ran into this clip
that picked it off the Tom Hogan thumb Hogan show and it was with
who's
Hogan? Tom Hogan Hogan? I'm thinking
the Is this the all you're thinking a Hartman? Yeah, I
think it's should be thumb Hogan. It okay. Just so I
understand she Thumma Hogan used to be an editor of InfoWorld. I
shouldn't probably
use this. Just so I understand. Okay, so
we get some Hartmann
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You have to wait
a minute. If you're opening up a segment, we need to open up the
segment. First, don't you?
Well, no, no, it's funny. You you be anticipated. The thumb on
Ferguson police. Ah, it's
the wrong limb. Wrong. flouse Crap. Oh, sorry. Yes.
Sorry. That's it. So you know, that's the way the show works.
You do 90% 95% 98% of the time you nail it. But this time? No.
This is the
buzzing myself.
This is the clip from Tom Hayden. Okay, now, he thought I
had Tom on his show. So it was a thumb and Tom show for a while.
And and when he played this clip, there's a there's an
interesting little tidbit in here that I want to bring in at
the end. And it's going to it's kind of a Mind Blow. I shall
be quiet throughout the entire clip is what you're suggesting I
do,
man. Yeah, yeah, it would be okay. Hi, Tom.
How are you?
I'm well, what is the long war doctrine? You've been writing
about this? Tell it tell us about it. And who's behind it?
Well,
I didn't know anything about it till 12 years ago, I'm holding
up a book edited by Andrew Bacevich called the Long War to
doctrine that was invented by people in the Pentagon about
2004. They said it's going to be a long war, stretching maybe 80
years. I think that's because the long war against the Soviet
Union lasted 80 years. That would be about 15 presidencies.
God knows how many trillions of dollars that we don't have. And
one of these authors, the chief chief adviser to General
Petraeus said that at the time that Iraq was just a small war,
in the context of a long one. I only offered this advice to help
people trying to figure out what's going on, you know? How
can this be going on forever. And there is a logic to it, just
as there was the Cold War, the logic is to defeat so called
Muslim extremism over a number of battlefields over a number of
decades. In the words of Bruce ryedale, CIA, analyst and
advisor to President Obama recently, we have to stop. We
have to, we have to keep killing them till they stop killing us.
All right. So the one thing I thought this was interesting,
because the long war apparently is some is a doctrine, like
policy and policy document may be underway. But the unique part
of this was, it was formulated in 2004. What else happened in
2004,
while we were in Iraq in 2003 2004,
was a presidential election. And this is the year that Wesley
Clark was given the the seven names
Ah, well, hold on. First, let's review the West Clark seven.
So I came back to see him a few weeks later. And by that time,
we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, Are we still going to
war with Iraq? And he said, Oh, it's worse than that. He said,
He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. He
said, I just he said, I just got this down from upstairs main
Secretary Defense Office today. And he said this a memo that
describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five
years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya,
Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
West Clarke was on CNN.
And if he doesn't show up that often on via remote when he
does, there's a message you know, it's not just hanging out
in the studio. You want to hear that real quick. But he Yeah,
there are a lot of mixed motives in all of the factional fighting
around Syria, but he's
he is when you listen to this guy, even though he is a total
shill and all in key messages so beautifully. So when he says
there's many motives he's not Not kidding. He's not kidding.
It's not just the one we're being told here at home.
But But what comes through clearly is the United States.
We're reevaluating policies. And I think you're gonna see us go
into Syria with combat multipliers with airstrikes,
combat multipliers.
I love that. There's more. There's more coming. Come that
well, there's a lot of good words in this episode of The no
agenda show be one so
suitable intelligence, is there
suitable intelligence?
I just love stopping and listening with
suitable intelligence. What is unsuitable intelligence?
Snowden?
Think it's very clear from General Dempsey his comment
yesterday that we don't anticipate giving isis a
sanctuary? The How do you not
give them a sanctuary without going against the thing, General
Clark that this President has has AIC made a key part of his
legacy, which is, I'm the president who got America out of
two wars. That is what he ran on. That is what he has done.
And now not only is it the possibility of whatever word
you'd like to use, but, you know, a military involvement in
one of the countries he supposedly got this country out
of?
Well, I think what the President's gonna say is, he's
the president united states who's working to keep America
safe from terrorists, I'm gonna wait for it who
is
come home? Attention attention. There is a country who needs to
pay attention.
And that's why he took out Osama bin Laden, and that's why he's
gonna go after ISIS. They are a threat. They do. But but the key
thing here is the United States is not going to do this alone.
We've got to get our regional allies in there. And I want to
see the Saudis show some leadership here. They're after
all, the one country in the region that is the most
threatened because how could you have an Islamic caliphate if you
don't control Mecca and Medina, so one way or another, that is,
is coming after the Saudis and they need to take action now, to
go after the is not stand back? Go after it. Now.
Get off your golden toilet, bitches, that it's
the clip of the day you have to play it. I'm sorry. Really. It's
extremely important because
it's an important clip. I agree. Well, thank you very much. I
mean, I think there's more to it, but I'll take it anytime I
can get clinical. This is this is indeed very big and very
important clip. It's very, very big information. And, and I have
to say, again, this is the new setup that I have and
everything's all fixed and and I have now a scanning system on
the television that continuously changes channels, but it's all
being recorded so I can swing it back. I record it boom, I've got
it. It's great. Of course I'm a boring husband I sit at home all
day and my
wife is galavanting Nice. What are you doing? Parties
are you married to that guy?
Are you married to that guy?
I have a couple more things I'd really love to move along I
don't know if you wanted to circle back to to the doctrine
with with West Clark's I
go we got we just wanted to get that into the into play an eye
on it.
So let's circle right back to Saudi Arabia. The mat and hearts
show this is our friend Matt from the from the Associated
Press. And it's actually a two parter. Let me get both pieces
here. This is not the President was talking about hey, we're
gonna have you kill in America. We're going to end this way we
will be talking about folly. Jim Foley if you kill America's will
come after you want to kill you. But you know, hey, we need to
get everyone involved in ISIS. It's yeah, but if you will gonna
kill you if you kill Americans. And so mad is kind of saying
hey, what's up? What is the deal? Are we waiting for
everybody? Does everybody agree? Are we all on the same page? He
is obviously short circuiting Murray's brain, which is kind of
funny to watch with a
broad statement about the fact that this isn't a US fight
against ISIL This is a fight that every country should feel
deeply about and should take off
I guess I'm just wondering what why did he feel compelled to say
something like this? If
I'm sorry, I know this start
after that long lecture No,
no What what happened is this is a clip that I had set up and
then I didn't this isn't
a US by ISIL This is a fight that every country should feel
deeply about and should take off
I guess I'm just wondering what why did he feel compelled to say
something like this? If in fact, everything is going along
swimmingly? According to me we would
be the last people to say everything's going along
swimmingly. Notice how he uses this first episode.
But if you're if you're already happy with what the people and
governments around the Middle East are doing, say think
they're
dating. I think the I think this is a lover's spat actually,
to extract the cancer
declared I would nobody's happy today about anything related to
that
go well, alright, happy is not the right word. If you're
already satisfied or believe that everyone peoples across the
Middle East or already doing everything they can to extract
that's also not what I said. Those are
not what I said, to find out what I know the answer was
we don't have evidence that governments are financially
supporting ISIS. Okay. But we need all the governments in the
region to work together with us to fight ISIS.
Wasn't it claimed early on that it was Qatar that was financing
these guys course, of course, this is now nobody's financing
them, and they got all this money. Are you kidding me?
It's all falling apart and poor Marie is being held. She's kind
of good at it. Because she's so annoying in so many ways. I
sometimes forget what was said.
But clearly, it's a threat that that's grown. And clearly, I
think the what?
I'm going to try to be confrontational. I'm just trying
to figure out.
Now they are said there, they're having sex. There. I'm not
trying to be confrontational honey.
Do you think that they're not all working together? Now
clearly,
there's more we can all do to fight eyesores. So there's no
specific
stranger Twitter icon and drink this shaker. Your specific
that was not intended for any specific country. It was
intended. And I think this is an important point. I think ISIL
wants to make this about the United States and our actions.
And I think what the President was trying to say is that this
is not about the United States. And what we do. This is about
countries in the region coming together to fight a shared
threat. And this is not about us. And
so then Matt, just he's he's ready to stick it to her because
of course we have these horrible, the abhorrent, the
most violent jihadi group, crazy as beheading mofos. And he's
going to pull the obvious card there.
barbarity?
The bar bet isn't an actual word barbarity?
Did she say barbarity or Barbary bar? Like Barbary? To me?
They're barbarity?
No, she's saying barbarity. Is that correct security
in there? Yeah. Turn it up.
Okay, I'm cranking it.
There barbarity?
You're saying is that a word Barbara? Melody sure is really
boundless, boundless, its alliteration. Boundless
barbarity. Oh, write it down. We have another possible show
title.
And all peace loving Muslims have to do around the world is
look at these photos to know they don't represent their
religion. I note that the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, that
nation's highest religious authority, and
this is a big mistake, Marie, do not bring in the Saudi Arabia,
because especially we did move to things and this is my mats on
it
today said that the Islamic State and al Qaeda were the
enemy number one of Islam and not in any way part of the
faith. So I certainly don't want to speak for him. But he was
very clear about how at least Muslims in his country should
view what ISIL is
doing. No matter you mentioned the grandmas be in Saudi Arabia.
But you know, Saudi Arabia is a country in which beheading is
actually the legal form of execution. And it's a country
that is, you
know, they hate gays, you know, it's illegal and dry. Don't
Don't Don't harass women can beat your wife and now, the
grand mufti, he's all this in that.
Department has long criticized for its human rights, right?
That is
true. That is true. But Shut up, Matt.
I was just highlighting comments made by Mojo for you understand
legislator, when we have concerns with some of their
practices, we raise those but that's wholly separate from our
counterterrorism cooperation. And I would say I was bringing
up the
look, the look, there's beheading and hating gays and
killing gays, and then there's our counterterrorism
cooperation, you really have to see these things in completely
different lights. Again, people were just trying to help you
open your eyes to the insanity that is unfolding before us now.
On the radar, of course, we have two things we the way I'm seeing
it been this grand game. We are now preparing to the we're
preparing the public at large for an invasion, a bombing, a
destruction of the eastern portion of Syria, which is
strategically very important to stop and from my perspective to
stop pipelines from Iran, Iraq into the Syrian port, which is
owned by Russia, but also to enable the gas from Qatar up
through Homs. Aleppo, all these places that have been bombed
into Turkey into Europe. So this, but it is also and I was a
little on the fence about this earlier. I really believe at
this point. That the this is also a setup for a Sunni Shia
civil war in Iraq, not just in Iraq, but everywhere, Sunni
Shias shop. And the funny thing is, and this kind of hit me when
I was reviewing some of what McCain Dean used to say and how
things are setting up now. I believe there might be a
backroom deal being done with Iran.
Well, that's been indicated by a number of sources over the last
ever since the yes, yeah, ever since the melaque. Maliki got
into the office and couldn't do anything and but I was kind of
ignoring it. And it makes sense when this is what I would go
along with this thesis because I still think is the US behind
making three countries and all since the day one it just took
forever to do it. We're not as adept as we think. And you got
your your, your Shia segment which is quote will be closely
allied with Iran and it will prevent a civil war is as far as
I can tell. And then you have this ISIS ISIL ice whatever you
want to call it. Group in the middle and then the Kurds which
with our protection
are just pumping oil, pumping oil, they are the the attendants
of the gas station,
there's some other oil wells outside of that area that they
guys can make money on. plenty more
to do. But it is also really about the rub what we call Rob
realization. Now, Hayden was this morning, I'm getting ready
for 10 minutes before showtime.
And by the way, it was just to continue my thought Yeah, the
ISIS ISIL thing actually becomes a very interesting buffer state.
Absolutely it each way, the
Shia and the Kurds you know, the because the you don't want the
Iranians who are who are already rich with oil impinging on that
any of that action? Oh,
this is this is a pretty good plan. It's bloody and it doesn't
behoove a lot of people but it's a pretty good plan. And so we
know that Hayden, former NSA Director, former director of the
CIA, right, the wrong criminal work with the real deal has been
out promoting. Did you know that he was a part of the group now
the the Chertoff Group, I didn't realize he was really, he's a
main,
I thought we knew this. Well, that
we just remind ourselves, okay, I think we know this, but he has
been pushed into propagating the message.
Yeah, no, he's been pushed into duty as punishment.
I think he has like kiddie porn or something in his background.
When I look at this guy, I just, he's so creepy. And I can't I
have no evidence. He just he's creepy each
evening. It's because of his I think he's in the penalty box.
And he's being made to do all this extra work. This is a lot
of work to do. He's not pushing a book. He's not going no, no,
no, if you're going to be hitting it hitting this circuit,
generally speaking, especially if you show up on Fox, you have
a book to sell. And it's all part of your book, sales,
product promotion, you don't just come on, and Yak away like
this, unless you're an official spokesperson. Well,
he is showing up on CNN all the time. So and he is pushing a
message that would be very familiar and comfortable to the
people who believe in Fox News as being the message. And people
I think are very comfortable now, which crosses all the lines
with the message he is portraying on CNN, what he said
this morning, I think there were a number of very important
things, particularly as it comes to Syria. And again, this is
just showing you Syria. So Saudi Arabia, you're on deck. That's
what West said, Syria, we are going in, and he has a couple of
very, again, just these lovely, lovely words and combo words,
what
is the direct threat to them. And it's my impression that
there's a debate inside the intelligence community as to how
imminent that threat is you have a school of thought that that
they certainly aspire to attack the American homeland, they have
a number of Americans among their ranks, perhaps 100. This
is a
script, just so you know, this
is right. And that is part of the script. And it's part of the
meme that there's at least 100 Americans. Now we have an NSA
that keeps track them every individual, we should actually
have their cell phone numbers if we're any good at what we claim
to be doing. So this is and this is nonsense. There's, you know,
the Okay, maybe there's 100, if there are 100 Americans involved
in this, there are 100 American spies, or at least 50. Let's be
realistic about this. This is the perfect opportunity.
Again, this is a script and I want you to listen to Hayden's
initial response, what
is the direct threat to them? And it's my impression that
there's a debate inside the intelligence community as to how
imminent that threat is you have a school of thought that that
they certainly aspire to attack the American homeland. They have
a number of Americans among their ranks, perhaps 100. But
the FBI put out a report this week saying no credible threats
yet. Where do you stand in that debate? Is it more imminent or
less imminent?
Just pause. We know there has always been there is a definite
strife between intelligence sources. Here is CIA versus FBI
FBI is trying to undercut them Hayden is of course not going to
have any of that very important things that are happening. The
script is right Is this a
future threat or clear and present danger?
Well, Jim, you you've outlined it perfectly. He hasn't said
anything. He asked the
question, is it this or that you've outlined it perfectly?
This is a question of timing, not of inevitability, not not of
intent. And right now, I think it's fair to say that ISIS is a
very powerful local terrorist organization, and probably a
reasonably powerful regional terrorist organization. But it's
one that has global ambitions. And it has the tools as you
suggested, American passport holders or European passport
holders expressed the intent. And so if it's not Tuesday, it's
at a time and place of their choosing.
It's if it's not Tuesday,
what's happening on Tuesday?
I don't know I'm landing in
California. That wouldn't be the guy used to get his hamburgers
on payback on Tuesday clearly
said if it's not Tuesday, so when he said
Tuesday, it's at a time and place of their choosing in order
to come probably sooner rather than later. Look, Jim, they're
in a competition.
What is Tuesday now without kind
of platter right? sooner than later?
sooner than later? Not too. That could be Monday.
If it's not Tuesday, it's at a time and place of their
choosing, and what will come probably sooner rather than
later. Look, Jim they're in a competition now with al Qaeda
prime the prime.
It's al Qaeda prime.
It's like Amazon Prime. Oh, yeah. I'm told you this is
great. This is unbelievable.
It's
great stuff. It's
sooner rather than later.
It's gotta be rolling his eyes at the script. Just read it.
Amazon prime sorry al Qaeda prime
Oh, free delivery. Free delivery of your IED without kind of
pride
Jim they're in a competition now with
people we're laughing because it is it is hilarious. This none of
this is true. Yeah, some asshole may shoot some off to make the
point but it's really not true. Just people die all the time. I
hate it
I'm sorry, sir. Official lies the the things
have people die in car accidents and bathroom, they fall in the
tub. People die and someone's gonna happen and some will die.
But the fear the terrorism that these people are throwing on EU
citizens. It's disgusting. It is it is and do not be afraid. It's
just bullcrap. You have to laugh at what they're saying.
If it's not Tuesday, it's at a time and place of their choosing
and overcome probably sooner rather than later. Look, Jim,
they're in a competition now with al Qaeda prime. Folks along
the Afghan Pakistan border and there's no way more powerful to
express their street credentials among the jihadist community
street cred.
jihadist community.
It's a new social network, jihadist community. God has
given you they have a community center at said jihadist
community
that a successful attack against the West.
So to be clear, you're saying it's just a matter of time right
before ISIS attempts to attack or tax the US homeland just to
make sure I want to make sure we make sure we got that clear.
Listen to her.
I think so. And certainly certainly the West in general,
of course, and Americans and American interest in the region
right now are at risk. You know, we've we've kind of
underestimated our opponents in the past. We certainly did that
we lacked imagination with 911 we lacked imagination.
They did lacked imagination, because they forgot to hit weta
flame and they forgot to have some kind of you know video of
of a plane hitting the Pentagon. We lacked some imagination
ever came up a couple of questions. One is he
says oh doesn't stop that doesn't stop this green
belt. We kind of did that with al Qaeda in the Arabian
Peninsula.
We kind of had some imagined it says what? Let me replay this.
We didn't have imagination. But then we did have imagination
with al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula with AQAP
drones. No, no, no, no that guy Matala yes yes yes yes imagine
to do right now. Okay, we got some of the bag boys you got a
meeting here we're gonna put some we're gonna put a bomb in
his guy's crotch.
This is great fight this is awesome. This is what a good
idea
or imagine a div how are we gonna get him through the the
Chi pull how we
call a Dutch they'll do anything for us get some guy get an
ambassador
metal detectors gonna catch this probably are one of the extreme
issues what are you gonna do about it?
We're gonna do nothing about it. We're just gonna it doesn't have
to go through what he didn't go through the metal detector. We
just we have our we have our agent at Schiphol Airport. Get
them on the plane. without a passport, you can do that. Well,
we can tell you. Oh, okay, well, let's do that right and when one
will have this guy lightest crush, this is gonna be so cool.
We didn't have to blow anything up. Just as crunch on fire is
cool enough. That's imaginative. And now Now you're talking
imagination rest.
You know, we've, we've kind of underestimated our opponents in
the past. We certainly did that we lacked imagination with 911.
We kind of did that with al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
We knew they were up to something we just didn't think
it was going to be a Nigerian on an airliner over Detroit
with his pants on fire. No, no, no, we knew because we came up
with that. We gave that guy a raise. That was a good one.
Well, we've got the same dynamic here. But it's not just about
defense. It's not just about keeping the right people off of
aircraft. It's about offense. It's about disabling
How could it be the right people?
The right people on offense, we shoot them at
shouldn't. It shouldn't be the wrong people. You keep off of
Air aircraft. The horses, that was good catch. People off, keep
the right people off here. Yeah, like law abiding citizens on a
don't fly list. That's what we do
over Detroit. Well, we've got the same dynamic here. But it's
not just about defense. It's not just about keeping the right
people off of aircraft. It's about offense. It's about
disabling offense, ISIS, it's about making them more worried
more concerned with protecting their own survivability rather
than threatening yours or mine
is the US ability to confront ISIS.
Oh, crap. I'm sorry.
Guys reading from a script. He is on shoot. I'm sorry,
something you lose the rest of it. No, I have it. I just have
to for some reason. Hold on. Let me just bring it back. at all I
just wanted to get I just wanted to get the last bit and if you
just give me one second, I'll bring it up. Because that really
goes to the to the Syria campaign. Here we go play like
this. It should work. Well, just bear with me for a second. It
only takes a second. Sometimes you're looking for no sometimes
I'm playing clips.
Yes, I do that. Here we go. And
relying cooperating with our friends in the region. The
Jordanians, the Turks, and the Kurds to get ground truth that
enables us to conduct his ground
truth by the way, not ground troops but ground truth. For
ground truth. He said ground truth Yeah, not ground troops
but ground truth. And we need ground truth in Syria.
Interesting, dangerous
as that might be, and, and relying cooperating with our
friends in the region, the Jordanians, the Turks, and the
Kurds to get ground truth that enables us to conduct targeted
operations with the kind of exquisite intelligence, that
exquisite
intelligence.
Wow, we need. We have another show title, loaded into
exquisite intelligence. It was wizard but you know, that
intelligence
is exquisite.
But these guys have successfully dumbed down the population to
the words awesome, amazing and weird. And they're out there
using exquisite and get these guys are good,
really requires. I agree with you or not up to the level of
exquisite over Syria. We're not bad again, the line of
confrontation in Iraq right now, as you can see, by the success
of the strikes today, okay.
And then yeah.
Yes, I have many more good things. But yes, please go.
Okay, a couple of things that I've noticed that with this new
cycle and what's been going on, and with guys like this coming
out and telling us kind of what, you know, the what the official
line is, early on, in this whole deal, there was a targeting of
Germany as a problematic situation, because there's all
these terrorists. That's
where the 911 terrorist,
and they were all coming, they all were going back, they're
going back from the little battles with German passports,
which allow them to come straight into the United States
to bomb us. And we saw we have clip after clip of pointing out
Germany, naming Germany. This has been dumped. This has been
dropped. For some reason. We don't know what the reason is.
But there was it's been dropped. It was used as a pressure point
that has been dropped. Now it's Americans 100 Americans exactly,
that are going to come back and they're the ones that are going
to come here to bomb as the Germans are routed.
Although I must say that a lot is also being moved towards the
UK and the Netherlands and people are getting the message
that these jihadist have European passports. And because
there is no there is no border control. They can freely float
anywhere they want.
But I'm still concentrating on Germany because I think this was
part of a quid pro quo that allowed Germany to take part in
the sanctions against Russia. Were putting the pressure on us
just to get those guys to knuckle under. And they did. And
I think that's all that was
where Russia is now saying no, Germany is saying no more new
sanctions.
Well, that's because the farmers and everybody all throughout the
EU are complaining I have a clip about that. Okay, but let's go
back to the other thought of mine, which is that Saudi Arabia
being named as a you better get involved somehow, because these
guys are gonna go after Mecca and Medina, which makes nothing
but sense.
If you want the cap of the caliphate, then you need the
whole deal you need to do once a caliphate, you need those to
town, which includes by the way of Lebanon and Israel,
for the caliphate, but they're not going to do that. But what
they really need are those two towns, those other things are
secondary, that Israel's less important than Mecca.
biohybrid and whereas Mecca on the map,
it's in Saudi Arabia toward I believe it's toward the eastern
part of Saudi Arabia. And it's where the poor let's take a look
at our maps and when we're Mecca is good everybody
and the way you do this is very simple these days of the
Internet map of Mecca.
Okay, it is oh, here we go.
It's a sacred destination. And it is said above to Heath it's
about in the middle of Saudi Arabia on the west coast there
by the by the Red Sea.
And it is okay. Right. So it's on the West Coast and Medina is
just north and
it's right across the river from Sudan. This is also I've noticed
Andy, yes, I've noticed. Yes.
So they have to take, they'd be coming in that you'd have to
first to get to get Oman and some of these other Yemen. And
then they'd have Okay, rock is at the North. Okay, they'd come
in straight down with that. But
they can go up from Yemen. we've ramped up in Yemen, Yemen,
they're in Iraq with, isn't
it all the same dudes?
Well, I think the Yemenis guys are diverted? No, that's the yam
we don't have the control that we're assuming that is an
American operation in Iraq. And they have to come straight down.
There's a lot of desert. And it's a lot of desert, which you
can take that over inside the most of the Iraq area that they
took over, as all deserts that you can see by the map that I
included in the newsletter, yes, it has a shows the dense
population density. And most of these guys, they've taken over a
bunch of desert areas. And then in Saudi Arabia, I'm looking at
a map that shows an Empty Quarter over in the in the
south, east by the United Arab Emirates anyway, so they could,
they can make a move on this, it uses a lot of desert to get
through the Strait if
they gotta go straight down to funky cold Medina.
Or they can just hop on a boat.
It's not gonna work, you're gonna have to just take land
that could open the Stargate in the Gulf of Aden if they get too
hungry for fish.
Okay, move on, I'm liking your analysis,
let's just say that this is part of the scheme. We've already
warned Saudi Arabia, they gotta get their act together. And
they're not going to do anything with course. And so we can show
I think it's a possibility that these guys can take because
Saudi Arabia is due to be realized.
Like nice yeah, there and yeah, and they're just gonna say
whatever. Because Riyadh or as you'd like to say, radio, radio
is nowhere near ready. Yeah. This Oh, nuts. Oh, not even the
line of fire. It's more to the east. It's not,
it's not in the line of fire at all. No. Facts, all the those
producing spots, I think over on that side to the Medina and
Mecca in the middle of nowhere. That's all good. It's good. It's
good. I think this will work. It's very good. Anyway, and it's
exquisite.
Well, exquisite when it comes to intelligence. It's completely
excluded now. But you've been
brought into play with this with this commentary from Clark. So I
think Mark is like the he's the he's a jerk to people in the
know what there's gonna have putting messages in there. That
code in this case was mentioning Saudi Arabia.
Now we have, but I've thought the Hagel and Dempsey show was
exquisite as well. And this was done at the Pentagon, in the
Pentagon Briefing Room, which includes a whole bunch of
different types of questioners with different scripts. And
Hagel, as we know, is he he's kind of like the dad on Happy
Days, you know, he's just, he's there, and whatever he says,
make sense in the story, but he was hyping it up a little bit,
and I kind of liked where he was going because he pulled out
well, he's not a great actor, but he pulled out a lot of
things that really accentuated what the message is about how
incredibly dangerous and how we of course, have to start doing
things. i There may even be something about Saudi Arabian
here, but I just wanted to play these two clips from the Hagel
and Dempsey show. Hagel, of course, is the Secretary of
Defense for the United States, a complete moron. And General
Dempsey is the chief, the Chief of Staff. He's the he's in
charge of all the all the generals. And he's a leprechaun,
is how I don't think he's not like, it didn't he may
be a little us that Leverkusen that we've gotten different
input on him. One is that supposedly, he's a good guy that
behind closed doors, saves the country from doing a lot of
stupid stuff. I think he's given up I think, I now did let me
finish. Because it's possible. He's got nothing but flak,
especially from the right, and from the left
hand and from his own people. Yeah. So
the military is, it's a lot of flack for actually not I believe
by not because I don't think he goes by the, or wants to go by
the Obama script. I think he's probably thinking
more like, I'm sorry, you think this isn't Obama script,
or whatever, okay, whoever the shadow government script, the
CIA script, or whatever script, it is somebody script that he
doesn't like, and he goes out of his way. And I think he's got
Obama's ear a lot of times and because Obama is being badgered
by everybody, and he doesn't know what he's doing,
apparently. And so so that they'd like to get rid of
Dempsey, because I believe he's a roadblock. To the schemes are,
well, he
is laying back really Cavalier, he's, he his whole body language
is saying, Yeah, I'll do whatever. I'll just say whatever
you want. Oh, yeah, he's just his body language is disengaged.
I think he's threatened that they're threatening his job.
I get a different vibe I get I don't care anymore vibe from
him. Okay, well, I
don't have a visual here. So play is that the calculation
though, that ISIL presents a 911 level threat to the United
States. I'll
ask that the uncredited actor playing a journalist in the
front row.
Wow.
Jim ISIL is a sophisticated and well funded. Why because any
bunch of guys on the back of pickup trucks with machine guns,
remember, sophisticated is that it's
exquisite. And this is Hegel. And he's going to talk about the
funding twice, which is fun dates.
Jim ISIL is a sophisticated and well funded as any group that we
have seen. They're beyond just a terrorist group. They marry
ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military
prowess. They are tremendously well funded. You already
said that Hegel tremendously well funded which means you have
an ally of about $500 billion and you go stand on the corner
and say, Hey, I got a lot of money here who wants to give me
some weapons?
And where does that come from? We know where it comes from.
Oh, this is beyond anything that we've seen. So we must prepare
for for everything
and everything. Just for everyone. Prepare for
everything.
The only way you do that is you take a cold steely hard look at
it and and get ready guys.
I know you take a cold steely hard look at it because
that's how you ever get this job well
you know some actors get into the casting couch John you know
how that works and possibility look the guy reads his lines and
doesn't bump into furniture it's good enough for
pair for for everything and the only way you do that is you take
a cold steely hard look at it and
and like this guy's ever seen any military action? Yeah, I'm
gonna go in there and my RPG my Rambo knife get
ready. Yeah, really need
to see the dance etc, is in the the number of Europeans and and
other nationalities who have come to the region to become
part of that ideology. And those those folks who go home and some
folks, it's why I have conversations with my European
colleagues about their southern flank of NATO, which I think is
actually more threatened in the near term than we are
nevertheless, because of open borders and an immigration
issues. It's it's an immediate threat, that is to say the
fighters who may leave the current fate and migrate home.
Longer term, it's about ISOs vision, which includes I
actually call it so here we go right ISIS isas because it's
easier for me to remember that their long term vision is the
Islamist state of Iraq and Al Sham and I'll show him includes
Lebanon, the current state of Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, and
Kuwait. If they were to achieve that vision, it would
fundamentally alter the face of the Middle East and create a
secure are an environment that would certainly threaten us in
many ways?
Yeah. Dempsey Yeah. Well, Jared is a little more
sheave that so far all they've gotten was a lot of desert.
Calm and this is good. This is good. This is the top military
dude in the country, both of them. Yeah. Alright, here we go.
This is a clip to the one I want. I think it is.
We continue to explore all options regarding ISIL and how
best we can assist partners in that area, the Middle East, and
particularly in Iraq, against ISIL. You all know that in the
presence
and here he says ISIL right after you said ISIS
request in OCO for a $5 billion and terrorism fund, there was
$500 million in there to
assist. Not Dempsey, though this is behavioral. Yeah, let's
Hagel.
Are you sure? Yeah. Okay, well, he is talking now about the
money, this what the anti counterterrorism fund was
formed, and he's saying, Oh, we have this money. Does anyone
want to take this money? We got 5 million 500 million right now.
544 99. They want to take this money
proposition. So that's what we're looking at. That's what
we're doing. And we will continue to stay focused, as I
said, on on what we're doing now and exploring all options,
because
the options that you refer to include airstrikes across the
border, and like I said, we're we're looking at all options.
General, do you believe that
ISIS, have a question, or destroyed without addressing the
cross border threat from Syria? To your question,
can they be defeated without addressing that part of their
organization which resides in
a clear voice where he goes, voice breaks up, it's, it's
always got a crack in it, then then he's a Dempsey's clear
theory. The answer's no, no, that will have to be addressed
on both sides of what is essentially at this point and
essentially non essential. It requires a variety of
instruments, only one small part of which is airstrikes on a
variety of instruments, a variety of instruments as we
continue our surgical operation with our exquisite intelligence,
I'm not predicting those will occur in Syria, at least not by
the United States of America. But it requires the application
of all of the tools of national power, diplomatic tools,
economic information, military,
and they're beyond just a terrorist group. They met Hi,
there we go.
So we've heard that point all right.
There beyond a terrorist group,
I have a fun little bit as we as the news media local,
how many people are buying this bullcrap,
everybody, everybody people are in people are a general
genuinely fearful. This is why it is it has to be repeated,
repeated, repeated, repeated. A lot of stuff doesn't work
anymore. And I think they are making some mistakes. But
there's a a good package that I saw this in DC or by saw a news
report. And then I found this package and Brian, the gay
Crusader who helped us tremendously with his white
paper on the the phony baloney Putin homophobia. Now he's in
Chicago. And he's been doing a lot of work with me over the
past couple days. And then I don't think he actually sent me
this clip. But somehow I'm tuned into Chicago and this is an ISIS
threat. I believe I saw the same picture in front of the or the
same idea of a cell phone picture with something written
in Arabic held in front of a building of importance. In this
case, it was or in the previous case, it was the White House.
And now it was a a a building in Chicago. And here's the Chicago
local news, which I think does impact people's thinking when
it's really your local news team. Were on the street looking
out for your interests, with weather on the eights. It is
usually traffic on the eights weather on the sixes, sometimes
horrible back and forth coming on the heels of the US bombing
of ISIS forces in Iraq, Facebook and Twitter pages with titles
like hashtag a message from ISIS to us, and vice versa. There
near the top of this tit for tat is the gruesome video and
pictures of journalist James Foley's beheading. He was
strong, courageous, loving to the end, we we just hardly
recognize our little boy. I mean, he just, he was just a
hero.
As a mother and father's grief goes public. Some Americans
posted on the sight disgusting Photoshopped images of Islamic
religious leaders having sex with animals and images of us
firepower firing harm
Americans anywhere we do what's necessary to see the justice is
done
while we take a cold steely,
hard look at the tweets shows the ISIS flag in front of the
White House, but scroll down a little farther and you see a
picture that might look familiar, not the writing, which
is in Arabic, but the building in the background. That is on
Michigan Avenue. 307 North Michigan Avenue to be precise.
It's at the corner of Michigan and South water and it's called
The Old Republic building. No cameras in the lobby. What we
found online was stunning. So we brought it to the attention of
the building security team. The apparent message in this photo
dated June 20 of this summer is soldiers of the Islamic State of
Iraq and Syria will pass from here soon. Other tweets show the
same two pictures saying we are in your state. We are in your
cities. We are in your streets. Would you like a pizza you are
our goals anywhere? More tweets say we are here hashtag America
near our hashtag target with my guy with a clip
of that that's a clip you got to do take a look we're here
hashtag American next year I hashtag target Yeah, that's it
are our goals anyway, more tweets say we are here hashtag
America near our hashtag target soon. I know when insecurity as
the Old Republic building would comment door to the Secret
Service the FBI or Chicago police. To be clear we don't
know who took this photo and posted it. No one knows why yet
this building, but it is part of a battle of words and images
going viral between apparent ISIS followers and US citizen
that's around.
That's right. We are now fighting on Twitter. We are
fighting ISIS on Twitter boo taken Woods Star
Trek episodes in the woods to ISIS baby the wood. Oh, okay.
Now, this brings me to the I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have to do
it. This brings me to James Foley. We do not have to
deconstruct anymore about the video. I think we're very clear
on now. But
I would like to play a clip. The Foley clip. Yeah, just so we
have a background here because I wanted I do have one thing to
add Of course,
as you prefer as dealer's choice
is the backstory about hostage Foley.
Any other intro was that good enough? That's good enough
tonight.
We know ISIS demanded a fortune for journalist James Foley
before they beheaded him $132 million a ransom the US refused
to pay. But we've learned the military did try to rescue him.
The hostages including fully and three others were thought to be
at this camp. Inside an oil refinery in northern Syria, an
area controlled by ISIS. Two dozen special operation forces
commandos dropped from Blackhawk helicopters outfitted with
stealth technology to avoid detection. With surveillance
aircraft overhead.
Stealth technology he was dressed in cloaking shield as he
repelled from the Black Hawk which has no apparent stealth
technology.
Pool crap surveillance aircraft overhead the team swooped in to
search for the hostages. They encountered ISIS militants and
engaged in a firefight but the hostages were gone. Several ISIS
fighters were killed. One American Commando was injured,
the rest were flown to safety. US officials admit that the
covert missions launched in early July and was based on good
but not great intelligence about the location of the hostages.
Okay, now this is a lie there is there is no official on record.
They say US officials there's no one on record about this. No one
not a single person is a lie.
They had a nice animation. Well, of course that makes it
believable. Just like wow, they screwed up because they could
have had sound effects.
Just like to I started elsewhere. I started with the
130 $3 million which was irritating to me for a number of
reasons. One because they could just say it was 100 million
euros because that's the translation they're making. They
had to slide to $132 million when when the dollar became a
bit stronger. Who was this attributed to I was interested
in knowing and I went to something that I have seen no
one do other than the narrative. So two things This video is not
even important if you see the video or not. We all know was
brutally beheaded. We didn't see it it's not actually there. We
don't think it happened at all. There's no blood, there's
nothing but okay, it doesn't matter if this work that's fine.
The message is clear, brutally beheaded.
And what's interesting to me about that and then the other
guy that got another guy now they're gonna be head is it's
the one guy standing there when almost all the beheadings and
all the other exhibits
have gotten lewd going.
For five people in the background, and then they have
the Oakland Raider flag is there and all this stuff, and it's a
different different thing. Now you have one guy standing by
himself with apparently he could be one, he could be single
handedly single handing the camera, he may set up shop with
a camera by himself, like, you know, like cheap productions in
certain local markets, right? Yep. Well, you do a stand.
You set it up to frame it and you get in front. And he had to
switch because he had to put the mic on him. So the way he had
warming one mic, I had to stop and there's lots of fade cuts
there. You know, it's not like had a multi camera shoot with a
little post on with the
there are real beheading videos out there. And the real
beheading videos or not with a with a with a lav microphone and
the guys are not all aware and balaclavas they are and they got
big ass knives and they cut from the back to the front because
that's how you kill animals. This is the slaughtering of
sheep is done this way. I have two emails from two of our
native Arabian Muslim producers. A number one Hey, if you
observations about the video since I'm a Native American,
Native Arab Muslim, and I had my share of crap that I see online
and TV, the English chap John is left handed. Islamic strict
teaching discourages the use of the left hand to eat shake hands
receive something from someone and slaughter animals. It's
clear that John didn't do it if it happened at all IS militants.
nostra Free Army and other groups are quite fast in
chopping heads from other videos I saw they chop heads within
nine seconds. John's hand is clean when he grabs the other
journalists at the end of the video. It's quite windy but you
don't hear the wind John shirt is clean and ironed look at the
land and the Slippers of Foley it looks like this region it
looks like the Gulf region sand and the slippers look familiar
to the ones worn here. Two minutes, two minutes in the
movie you'll see that Foley is poorly shaved bad Barber. The
body shot has a knife that looks different than the one John is
using. And and he said however this ship has sailed is indeed
in Arabic saying which we had questioned I think the left hand
and he did use his knife in the left hand is very very damning
evidence. Then we have Ahmed who comes in with more and native
analysis. I listen to episode 645 In your commentary about the
video and the President's speech about ISIS as a person of Middle
Eastern descent who speak fluid Arabic and who follows lots of
news and shows a Middle Eastern TV this is why we are they I
want to point out a few things. One I did not personally watch
Foley's beheading video, but I heard you and John say they used
a pen or small knife to cut his head off. Here are a few things
to note in Saudi Arabia, where they implement the strictest
Sharia law, when they execute someone because he has committed
murder it is by a sword, a big sharp one. It's typically by one
blow to the head to the back of the neck that splits the head
from the body. Be when different terrorist groups in the Middle
East like to make a scare buzz in the media, they typically
will execute people by having them get down on their knees and
shoot them in the back of the head. Or just have them lay face
down hands tied behind their backs and again just own load
their AKs into them like prisoners of war. See, as far as
I know, the only thing that involves a knife and cutting the
throat is when slaughtering animals. To you both commented
on Obama's speech and ISIS when he said they have no religion.
And John said that it was poorly written. You'll recall this.
Yeah. Let me tell you says our analyst. This statement is a
literal translation of an Arabic statement. This makes me wonder
if the person who wrote the speech for Obama is of Middle
Eastern origin cannot prove or disprove this, but I tell you I
have never heard that statement used in the US before a literal
translation from Arabic.
Of note and I think we should pay attention to that.
Yeah, doesn't impress you. I'm sorry. I thought You thought you
would be more impressed.
Well, I'm don't need to be that impressed. Okay. I like these
guys coming in with this stuff. Because it brings us down to a
reality that this apparently none of the news media wants to
deal with and that they don't they just take everything at
face value and run
with it. So this very heroic American journalist of great
stature, works for an outfit called the Global Power Post,
which is not really mentioned that he worked for the Global
Post. Well, let's take a look at the Global Post, shall we? A
Global Post has no reasonable business model. They're selling
$10 CPM banner ads in order to make money, and all of their
journalists are freelancers. In fact, Jim Foley was a freelancer
in Iraq and he has sold his stories and had a donate button
on his in Dash iraq.org website, which you can still find on
archive.org app just because I thought it was funny I it was
available. So I registered it now I own it. But that was his
his website in dashboard rack.org where he was in Iraq
and selling his stories as, as he would say. The global polls
I'm reading from the from the book of knowledge is an online
US news company that focuses on international news founded on
January 12 2009, by Charles M. Senate and Philip s. Bell Boni
before I go further into Bell Boni, I want to go back circle
back to the $133 million. That was the obviously and just a non
starter for us to pay. And let me play for you. And I
mentioned something here, please, which is the this was
Family Research. Family came up with this. Apparently there used
to be an international agreement that when when when a citizen
was captured in these situations, the country would
pay the money, the ransom money, and that's still the case with
Germany, France, Italy, UK, everybody. But we, at some point
without really much of an announcement opted out
completely. And the United States will not pay any ransom.
And we actually as a country require the family to pay if
anybody's gonna pay at all,
and unless it's Sergeant Bergdahl and then we'll trade
out some.
So it's also peculiar if you think about it, because the
policy is not to pay anything ever. The family has to pay. We
don't even
remember yesterday's news, let alone that bit. Anyway, so go
on. Okay, so I've been looking into all I've been looking into,
Oh, I've been looking into this, by the
way, keep interrupting. What does it do what happened with
Bergdahl news, welcome. Nobody has covered the guy since I bled
blue three months ago, he just been dropped out of the news
cycle. It's like Bergdahl story. Forget it.
Because we had an earthquake, because we had kids dying in
Gaza, because this is the whole point.
It's not really a part of the show. Okay, now I'm gonna shut
up. Oh,
no, y'all need your input. Global Post. John, this is a
Bogut of bull crap outfit. This is not a real news organization
with a bunch of people who are freelancing and 20 bucks for
their story. But the founders of this organization are definitely
interesting. Let us go to the to the website Global Post, I
wouldn't and while I'm going to I'm going to play a clip for you
on global post.com. And I will meanwhile I would like you to
take a look at the founders of this organization look at their
bios of these are very, very heavy and hard hitters. For the
for the clear non that can you look up and see what the traffic
is, can we still do that? It's like a, it's like a what do you
use?
isn't really it's, you could, okay, I can I can get some
sketchy traffic,
get some sketchy traffic. And I found a very recent interview
with the CEO and co founder of Global Post, talking
specifically about the the ransom, and that the bombing, of
course, sealed his face that there wasn't there were in
conversations and the amount of the ransom, which we all know
now and you just played in that very official sounding clip is
$133 million.
We never hesitated on that. I mean, I'm fully conversant with
the United States laws on this. I'm fully conversant with the,
you know, the kind of body of discussion in in journalism,
about paying a ransom and how it might stimulate others. But when
it's when it's your person, your child or your colleague. And you
know, it's the only way to bring them home. That's what you do.
And that's why the family with our help, was deeply engaged in
raising that money and we ran out of time when the bombing
began. That sealed Jim's fate, unfortunately, These people
don't have any mercy. And if they can't have money, they'll
have revenge. And they took it. What was the particular amount
that they demanded? We did learn from the the European
journalists who were freed. The amount of the ransoms that were
paid by their government or with their governments assistance,
which
would, I presume, be 100 million euros. And it was in the
range of two to three and a half million euros or let's say
around $5 million. We we we felt that $5 million was the amount
that we needed to raise in order to bring Jim back.
Oh, well, really, this is his boss, running the Global Post
website. It was trying to raise $5 million. So I'm going to just
presume that maybe this seals with stealth technology
rappelling down from black cops was crap as well.
Yeah, yeah. Mr.
Bell Boni is the President Chief Executive and founder of global
posts one of the country's leading journalist entrepreneurs
during his career has been the director leadership, nearly
every major award in American journalism including a Peabody
awards DuPont Columbia Moreau Emmy Awards. He is the founder
of NEC in New England cable news. He served as special
assistant, the chief executive of the Hearst Corporation, this
is a very very big big level heavy hitter but there's some
other interesting people on board who have backgrounds in US
AI D H. K and a consulting which I think is Hill and Knowlton,
something some acquisition they did. Benjamin Gomez the pilot
house associates This is a very large very big money pilothouse
Associates LLC and Boston's Family Investment Office. Big
big money.
This the hostellers Amis be Hostetter Jr. co founder former
chairman chief executive of continental Cablevision, so
these people all over media and they have this rinky dink
global, the intercept. Pure drive my cars outfit is more
impressive than what these guys have put together. But somehow
they've got this whole thing set up and they have a very
interesting foundation called the which is the funders Ground
Truth project. So the funders of Global Post have a Ground Truth
project Foundation, which is funded by you're gonna love
this. The Galloway Family Foundation, the Ford Foundation,
the big trust family, the Henry Luce Lucci Foundation, the
Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting, and of course, in
partnership with the Kaiser Family Foundation. This is all
tied into Global Post, Jim Foley himself on his LinkedIn profile,
which I can only assume is real. This number of his jobs
including in March of 2010 2008, July 2008, to march 2010. He was
a reporting officer for us AI D. Intact we're Baghdad, US AI D as
you know, a State Department you might as well just say that as
part of the intelligence community, the exquisite
intelligence that was actually
the key one of the key elements in the is economic hitman
thesis.
The taxpayer project is for developing national capacity in
public management specifically in Iraq. So he was a part of
that and it's related to tat where oil services and drilling
again, Basra and Iraq and so he was doing this somehow they
decide to become a journalist and he of course, they a
fearless fearless, fearless journalist. I do not dispute
that at ever at all. However, there was a interview, quite
irritating interview with two of his siblings, his brother
Michael, and his sister Kate, and I will play with of all
people, Katie Couric, who now is doing this exclusively for the
Yahoo that she's very familiar with the setup. She's in the
Yahoo studio. Everything is exactly the way she would like
to do it. That's even though we've got a little bit of the
delay going on. The brother Michael has an IFBB in the
sister that I could tell doesn't does not have an IFBB she's very
quiet during most of the interview. Most of the entire
family is military.
Why would a person being interviewed in a live
environment like that have an eye FB unless they were the
interviewer only?
Well, it couldn't be there.
is no reason I've done these. There's no reason for the
interviewee to have an IFBB unless they're being coached.
If they both had it, I would say it's because they needed to hear
the questions. Oh, with where they were, they weren't at
Studio. They were in their family home.
Okay, but you have an IFP did not go to heaven. I
thank you. So I'm like, I only have one camera view. So I
can't. And she has long hair. So I can't really
see she could possibly have one.
Yes, but he is in control of this interview. He is taking
obvious command. So the if B, I Well, first, let me give you
some background, the family from the interview itself with Katie.
Oh, by the way, that everything is perfect for Katie. But the
what she's missing and I'm sure she's angry about it. They do
not have the lighting at NBC that she is used at Yahoo that
she's used to at NBC. And this will be a point of contention
for this will be a contractual negotiating point. It's
pathetic. The Coronavirus Consulting Group will gladly
help you with your lighting.
Katie, I know you're a nurse in the Navy. And then you go nurse
in the Navy. He said, five kids in your family, two of your
brothers are in the military.
So that means two of your brothers. That's three and then
so only one of them is not in military in one form or the
other. So this is just a military family. Just it is a
military family. And I'll play the rest of that clip later.
This is important. I want you to listen to the opening of this
interview. The first thing I didn't like is they're sitting
in the family home and that you see it it's the family home. And
if you're in the family home, you're doing an interview and
you've been you are saying that you've been with a family and
it's been a very good time. And we've had you know we're coming
together and we're remembering our brother. Are you drinking
Starbucks during the interview? Or do you have a nice cup of
freshly brewed coffee that your family members have lovingly put
together for you?
I would have a cup of family mug from probably from the kitchen
with something in it a drink water but the coffee tea
I did not like this at all. And it was a
Starbucks cup. Yes, it was a Starbucks cup and
the family home the family home well. Now
maybe the crew brought a bunch of Starbucks for him.
He's in the family home they they do not live in the family
home they've come home to be with the family and they do talk
and I don't have it but they do talk in this interview about how
it's been loving to remember Jim and to be together and they got
little kids running around didn't hear any of that by the
way. And then the interview opens and listen carefully.
First
of all, we'd like to extend our deepest sympathies to both of
you and your entire family. I think it's hard for all of us
Katie and Michael to imagine the pain you've been going through
so did you hear that?
Noise Yeah, I did hear it.
What do you think that was? Of all the things that could happen
in your family home?
What sound like guys sound like a piece of the set fell over?
Oh god you are good. Go to the Following URL John C. Dvorak as
I have pre produced this i t m dot i m slash John Foley kids
FOLEYK I D. S. And tell me when it's rolling and just watch that
this is the video of what you just heard. Is it you got it?
Yeah, yeah.
Tom rolling it now, which is probably didn't tell
me what you see. There you go. I can hear you.
Any aren't over New Hampshire this morning. First of all, we'd
like to extend our deepest sympathies to both of you and
your entire family. I think it's hard for all of us, Katie and
Michael to imagine that you've been going through so
it's interesting.
How often does it happen in your family home? That a picture on
the wall. Not only does it fall off, it just drops off the wall,
but you also do not respond to it. This is a set John, this is
a set. And the same stagehand who brought him the Starbucks
coffee, didn't nail that picture in properly. I'm sorry. It looks
I was glued on and now you look at that whole video in a
different aspect. And it looks like a set.
It does have like a set. I mean, it looks like a crappy set.
Yes. Hello, Yahoo. Well, this
doesn't surprise me with Yahoo and the lighting all the rest of
it. I mean, they they've done video over the years and it's
always bordering on a sheep production. They don't
understand the the expense mechanism, you know, to do these
things, right? It costs money. And let's listen to it. And
they're so screwed up let me just just just got nothing to do
with what we're talking about but they don't even have an
embed code. As far as I know, you can't embed any of these
videos there yet DAVID POGUE doing stuff they got Katie doing
stuff and you can put them on a blog.
I am exposing the media has alright. Yep. Yeah, there's,
there's no, there is there's no embed code clearly. So I'm
sorry. This may be the family they seem to all be in
intelligence. I'm looking at a very strange organization that
this man was working for is not NBC, ABC, CBS CNN fi no is not
any of that. Now is where all his great we've got some
pictures of him. Where's his great who's great award winning
reporting. Where is all of that? Oh, yes, I will point out that
the Peabody award that global post one was actually from a
partnership. They produce video for PBS. They sell their new
stories to PBS, which really makes you wonder why was our so
that I photos falling off the wall does not happen. And when
it does, and if you the video is hard to parse because it's it's
me with a screen grab reposting it. Though the daughter her
mouth flinches for a nanosecond, but there there is no other
response from them. So MK Ultra, perhaps I don't know. But listen
to the brother prompt her has
this made you rethink your commitment to the military? Has
it shaken your resolve in any way, Katie or the resolve of
your brothers to serve their country, but
I hear the IFBB it could be with a delay or I don't know what's
going on. But I hear noise probably.
I'm today I'm just I'm so proud to be an American.
Okay, let me understand this. Why does she want it? Why is
this her answer? I'm so proud to be an American, because Obama
bombed ISIS and my brother's head got cut off according to
the narrative. And I'm here in the studio, and I'm proud to be
American.
I'm so thankful to be a part of this country, and to be a part
of a group of people that really have gotten behind us and
supported us. I don't think anything is the opposite.
Who is behind you? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think I think jump in
jump into freezing up.
epitomized the American American. Yah, yah, yah,
yah, yah, MK Ultra. I'm telling you that I'd hate to be a dick
about it. But here is another flub from her where he jumps in
again, it's believed
that the despicable person whose brother is in fact, a British
citizen, when he learned that when your family learned that,
what was your reaction?
You know, if we really focused on where he was from, or really,
you know, that piece of it I think, we're all just praying
that he and the other captors are can be merciful. At some
point, I don't.
What Yeah, she's freezing jumping.
He being an English citizen has much to do with it.
I'm sorry, in English citizen. That's interesting. So she now
is talking about and he's she should say British, but one of
the captors might have been English or might have been from
London to being an English citizen, as she says English
citizens as you've been told something here
as much. I hope that
you know, jump in, jump in there.
We've been so close for so long. There are hordes of Europeans,
their parents that have children. The fact that
she's either drugged or something's very righteous. I
know it's, I know there are people who think I'm such an a
hole for doing this, but I have to be skeptical about all the
things I'm reading and seeing.
No, no, you're
right on the money on this one. Catch really, really slip in the
day almost.
I have to give a lot of things to Brian, the gay Crusader who
is really good stuff you got for him. Well, I got the video, but
he's been working on a lot of the backstory and the especially
on global posts, which is all in the show notes at 646. Dot. No
agenda notes.com or na shownotes.com. Just one more
little bit about the negotiations. I think just one
last bit is very, very troubling interview.
Do you agree with with President Obama's assertion that they that
the US will not scale back its military action following your
brother's death?
I do but the thing that I really, really am frustrated by
I'm Katie, and I don't even know if I should really get into
this. But why not? Why not? But you can you could accomplish
both things the United States could could have done more on
behalf of the the Western and American hostages over there and
still, you know, dealt with with the broader worldwide issues and
other nations have have done that. And that's, that's been a
source of frustration for me. And I really, really, really
hope that really, really, really in some way Jim's death pushes
us to take a take another look at our approach our approach our
policy to to terrorists and hostage negotiations and rethink
that because of the United States is doing it one way and
Europe's doing it in another way. There's no consistent
there's no consistency here. She sounds like she's hypnotized
definition.
What? Very strict. So
when you're talking about the policy, do you mean the policy
of not not paying ransom or not exchanging money for for correct
per capita captives?
That's correct. That's correct. David road wrote a good piece
and I think it was in Reuters or the Atlantic
This is now this was to me the way he says I don't know what
this guy does. I can't find any background on him. But it David
Rohde when the Atlantic be sounds like a television pundit
all of a sudden, then David Rohde is a journalist who was
also taken hostage. And I think they negotiated for him, but
this is so matter the fact that like, he hangs out with David
robe, you know, David row brothers, great. This is how he
leads talk, man, is a fabulous, it's a fabulous piece that
Brooks wrote in the New York Times, correct?
That's correct. David Rohde wrote a good piece. And I think
it was in Reuters or the Atlantic on on this very
subject. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's frustrating. And I
understand why we're such a large nation, it's difficult to
cover all the bases, but even take the money aside, there's
there's things that can be done. You know, we are sitting on
prisoners, for example, in Guantanamo, it doesn't even have
to be financial.
And by the way, we actually are sitting on the prisoners on
their heads in Guantanamo. So there's a message.
Yeah, the message is we got to get these guys out of
Guantanamo, as the message seems as though that was messaging
going on there to get we can because we've agreed not to pay
money, but there's these prisoners in Guantanamo. And
this gives us the out that we need for the Get out of here.
Yep, that's what I heard. Yeah, to get these guys out of here,
because we can't seem to close get mo but we could have we had
a more of these. These captors will give you a three Glock get
Mo Guys for that guy. Okay, well, we'd like to get five
till it's empty until it's all empty. Yeah. And the thing I
love is that and of course, I being from the future, I
predicted the pope who would be pope and I called him by name,
months before he actually became Pope
reminded of this, which your future self said you'd do that.
And I would actually my future self was kind of annoyed with my
current self doing it a lot. But Pope Francis, he's in on this.
He's calling the family. Pope Francis calls them does Pope
Francis call anybody else? Does he?
People drop in left and right all over the place for all kinds
of terrible reasons.
So why all of a sudden, and he said, Of course, he sent him
peeping, I'd be sending a cardinal over and is this pope?
Is he now in on the is this uh, is he in on it?
I have no idea why he why this is happening. I just we have to
keep an eye on
the Pope. The Pope is not just weird. Not actually it is. I
said weird. But I'm not gonna bite you
honk the horn. He didn't startle me because it is perhaps weird.
You have to start on me.
Sorry. I'll work on it at the last day and they'll get off of
this but I think I've kind of shot my wad for you. Or I hope
you enjoyed it.
It was good. I think it's one of your best analysis. But last
month,
here is Dan Rather and I would say Attention Attention
everybody attention attention.
If you want to make a quick $5 million attention.
Would you do the to please?
What would you like me to say?
Attention? Attention attention. jihadist kidnappers
attention? jihadist kidnappers would you like to make a quick
$5 million?
Well, there's one thing for governments such as ours and the
British government to take a stand and say we don't pay
ransom. And by making that read out front, the government's take
the view it will just go coverage of the taking of the
kidnapping of journalists but as was stated before to you Brian,
when it's your son or daughter when is someone in your
organization's you've worked with? It's a whole different
thing. Doug
do the do the two began to the tube
it's a long no no with a call out man with the attention to
the attention
attention jihadist attention. Would you like to make a cool $5
million
and I can't blame anyone for trying to ransom a journalist
out and I would say this if some member of our Dan Rather reports
team was kidnapped. I'd be looking negotiate for ransom.
And you can criticize that if you want damage you want but the
loyalty to our people who work with us to take these great
chances. engenders loyalty back
hello, hey Dan. Hey, Dan. Dan, this is Dan Rather reports
Dan Rather reports here I'm an executive producer Phil
Hey Phil. friend Dan Rather reports I was just watching that
Dan on I think it was a CNN he was brought in to talk about the
Foley guy.
Yeah, he was I quit okay
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Let me here's the notes. Here's the notes from Sam Luang sir.
Great Thursday show your analysis of the Foley in the
Ferguson situation can only be described as top notch. However,
John almost pulled the wool over our eyes on the etymology of
penalty and testimony. I'm sure a astute listeners would already
have pointed out that the Latin root for penalty is pure
analysis for pain, not for penis. Well, I agree that John's
etymology was more fun to listen to.
I did wake up in the middle of the night going really?
Sometimes I wonder if you do that on purpose or not?
I know I use range man. What I thought
a correction from last Thursday show,
sir sports junk? Well, yes,
he's actually sir Gary Leland. Well, the night who says knee
and this does bring up a minor thing. When you use your pay
pal, we use the information from the Pay Pal. Yes, you can put
something in the notice to a recipient field. That is usually
a way to get a message to us. That is usually the correct way
to get a message to us. Interestingly, a lot of people
don't seem to be able to find the note field. And there was a
back office memo that came out that I don't I don't agree with
but I think you're kind of all in on it. Saying that we should
mention that. Eric the shill is the person who you need to email
for all things. Notes and donations and rings. Not really
oh no agenda nation.com/rings is where you can if you deserve one
Yeah,
but if you don't get your ring your email, she'll at no agenda
nation.com and he will come because I all we do is send a
note to him. Right? Well,
I What I've seen is that I receive the most of these
messages. Well for a couple reasons. One it's so easy to
remember adam@curry.com It's just easy. Yeah, well that
people don't half the people in the world if you stopped them on
street How do you spell divorce Chuck would run How do you spell
Devine as someone that for for a habit for a laugh? Um so of
course you can use John and curry.com But then there's so
she'll have no agenda nation.com is just not sticking. People
don't listen well.
But you should get a hold of Eric Eric is a is a genius at
customer service. He likes it he's not like well I don't want
to disparage he likes it she's very good. But me me would do
you know, she would basically she used to be a waitress that
used to tell customers to screw themselves cocktail bar and then
kick him in the restaurant and then kick him in the leg. And
meanwhile Eric is used to work in customer service in fact this
one of his first jobs was selling fish supplies or
something and local fish guy and if you fish aquarium place and
then he worked at some other customers he's like he likes to
do it. He mean he didn't while he likes it who could like that,
but he he's good at it. And so just get a hold of him and he'll
take care of you because we have one guy going back and forth all
day won't get me a ring you over email me. And Eric tells me
which Mimi is always say I've emailed the guy, which a lot of
people never pick up their email or it gets filtered or they
don't care or they don't notice that. I mean, it's like our
newsletter only a few percentage get through. So
yeah, so a couple of things. While I'm saying this one is I
don't mind because I I like email. I'm pretty good at it. I
forward everything. We are very loyally on to Eric I run my own
email server. So pretty much everything that is supposed to
come through comes through. However, it is at your own risk.
Then I do we have shill and noise in the nation.com on the
donation page so that people understood you say customer
service can we just have a link that might be smart to do that?
And it's okay if you copy John on it, but here's the things
will not work. Do not send anything to John. And these are
lies you suck at email. I like you man. You bet you my brother
in all my emails suck at email. You just suck at it. Now it's
okay. It's
okay. Insult I would I'm taking.
I am not insulting you at all. I'm just stating a fact that you
don't have to be all huffy about it. I'm huffy. This emails that
I send you that you don't open. Oh, here it is. You are great at
so many things. Like harmonica
and lies.
Tube. You're great at that whiskey tube.
It tube is good. take credit for the tube.
And your LIFO FIFO. You haven't you have you have said yourself
your LIFO and I'm not LIFO I before the show I live for the
show. I make sure that I've gone through everything and I forward
everything and I really try. Alright are good. You're good.
You're pretty good at the checks. But how many times is is
that the note on the other side of the room? I mean, it doesn't
happen. And by the way, we're not NBC.
We're a couple of Joe's
when we were a couple of analysts with a podcast, we're
analysts, we're independent analysts.
We have a network of independent mode. Well,
no, we have a network of intelligence network. What was
you wrote it down? See, open your book
we have Yeah, we have a network of intelligence gathering.
We had a whole sentence and you said you were write it down and
it's your job as the archivist and now you can't find that
either.
It's in here. I'm not.
Anyway, so please, can we let's put that on the donation page.
Yeah, there's a debt. You know what? That genius
and I'm going to put it in the show notes. I will put a big
link which will replicate it'll say customer service. And Eric,
do you ask for it? Because you don't just get
it any more letters than he normally gets?
Okay, well you know my my stance on email and when people will
probably
still get the same which was easy like you said easy it's
easy very easy to remember Adam had curry.com Or why exactly.com
It's very easy to remember
that's it john@curry.com works but don't expect
that it's not as easy to remember Adam is the first you
know it's Adam. Adam and Eve is the first thing in the Bible
it's like you but dial you call me it's always Adam It's I'm at
the top of the button I list
yeah you get but but it a lot.
So don't take it personally.
I have a letter another letter says respond this segment from
Harvey Haller Hulu or Hulu or something? I'm not sure but he's
he's from Kitchener, Ontario again, Ontario again for about
the Indians. I just want to get this out of the way. Did you
want to chip in the email from that guy? Karthik was spot on
Brampton and Syria by no means the only Punjabi heavy
communities. But they are definitely two big ones. One
correction about that email before I before that, I believe
that to be true to awkwardly worded about the demand for
physicians way back in the day and going through Canada was the
easy way to get to the US. However, today, the reverse is
actually easier. I'm a medical student who left home to go to
med school and most of my Canadian classmates and there
are a lot of us many Canadians actually leave the country to go
to med school. Aim for the US to do their residency is because
the US is actually less competitive than Canada, when it
comes to residency sponsor foreign graduates. Even if
you're a Canadian studying abroad, like myself, what you
guys discuss may have been the case many years ago, but just
thought I'd drop a line about the current state of affairs.
Well, thank you for that and still receive no donations from
Indians.
Yes, this is true. And I have some clips that I got in advance
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good. Good. We are it's I'm sorry, I took up a lot of time.
You had too many you had three deconstructions today instead of
the normal one,
but Well, I only had two what were the three?
Maybe you didn't
it's felt like three? Oh no, I had self moral licensing.
I had a long one that was long and the other one was long too.
They're both long.
You know what that's what we can do but I know you
didn't get to do my boy I got another Ebola report and you got
mac and cheese. We can't do it we'll do the Ebola is gonna get
pushed off because it's not that topical. And it's I know no
one's going to come up with this so I'm gonna hold it in abeyance
and it's also long it's going to be long because of the length of
these clips. But mac and cheese tomorrow's mac and cheese day
and everyone wants to hear my analysis no analysis of the Mac
and Cheese Day I just have two clips.
Very excited about it.
I have three clips. Well, I mean I did have good clips already
but I thought that this was interesting. This is a mac and
cheese and other there's a lot of recipes online for mac and
cheese. Nobody knows how to cook online I've come to the
conclusion that all these people that cook show you that could
have their little cooking shows that show how to cook they can't
cook. None of these people can cook but they all think they can
and they decided to put up a YouTube video so let's play mac
and cheese oddball cheese WTF clip?
Okay, you guys to me Nothing says American like mac and
cheese the classic American dish with the classic old school
cheese Wisconsin Grier.
What? No, it's supposed to be Velveeta
was supposed to be cheap cheddar but it's a classic, classic
classic and then you have graer as the cheese this isn't mac and
cheese.
That guy was Hold on a sec Let me listen to the recipe again.
You slaves can get Mr. Mac and cheese macaroni and cheese
shatter melted together mac and cheese mac and cheese mac and
cheese.
Cheap macaroni and cheese cheddar melted together. That's
it.
That's all you need. You put a little butter if you want you
can put some cream if you want to pad it. But no, that's all
there is to it. You know it's not a bunch of complex
complexity, play Mac and Qi or the Mac amazing clip and you'll
see what I'm talking about. Hey guys, It's
Ingrid and today I'm really excited because guess what we're
making bacon macaroni and cheese and it's gonna be awesome.
Macaroni and cheese is one of my favorites. It's a classic and
we're going to be putting a spin on it today because this recipe
does not require you to pre cook the pasta which is amazing. Oh
my god that
you don't have to cook the pasta you just crunches crunchy.
No. I rescind. I repent. This is a great segment. This is good. I
didn't I didn't realize you were grabbing clips of morons who are
making posts think they know what they're doing. I in
preparation for the show. Someone had sent me if you can
recall a while back I'm talking a lot previous house last year.
A big time full on box of Kraft mac and cheese instant mac and
cheese. Yeah. That's a big blue box. And there's 800 packets in
there. And with Miss mickey out of town, and I was just doing
stuff I'm I'm going to make one of these.
Oh, you should you should you'll be up so I did
want to tell you about the experience. Yeah, I want to hear
there's three steps on the on the packaging. And there's the
package package is a cellophane wrapped. And then one part is
the what I think is macaroni it's hardened plastic look
alikes. Classified elbows, elbows, right. And then there's
another packet which has the instructions on it. And then as
a packet as you know, one of the silver foil and on the inside
just writing on the outside of flavorings it well. No, that is
the cheese mix. Oh, okay, the whole thing. And the
instructions say first you take the three quarters of a cup of
water and add that to the to these things that are apparently
macaroni. Yes. And you put that in the microwave for three and a
half to four minutes. Okay? Or until
the macro can boil this on a stovetop because I don't eat
Mike. I'm
giving you the instructions. I followed. I'm a rule follower.
Yeah. I after three minutes, I checked and I felt they were al
denty which are those away. I like my mac and cheese. And then
it says do not if there's excess water do not add big letters. Do
not remove the excess water. You will need this to make the
cheese. Yes, yes, that would make sense. So you
pour the packet in. Then then you stir stir stir and
miraculously, voila. I actually say Voila, mac and cheese now we
had a couple guys who had to repaint something in the house.
The landlord had sent him by and they looked at me as I'm doing
this. I'm finishing this up but they're walking Mexican guys.
They looked at me and went Are you fucking crazy? Are you going
to eat that shit?
To Mexican workers? Yeah. said this to you. Yes.
They said you don't eat that man. And and of course I did
because I do not eat that. Man you okay? Hey, man, we take you
out for some tacos. Don't eat a man don't eat that will pay. And
I ate it. Yes. And it had such a chemical taste. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And when you finish it, and the bowl will not clean. Oh, it's
like a glue. And there's more like a paint
like a paint you ate paint pink.
So that was it. This is not a good this is not an outstanding
product. It is not to be consumed by human beings or
anything with a heart.
Yeah, it'll probably take you a month to get that out of your
system. I got an email a lot of wine that'll help
I got an email about your recall your question of the mac and
cheese for Thanksgiving. Yeah, this has now been confirmed by
multiple sources that this is an is indeed a black thing. This is
where it started. But this is from John Calvin Jones, who I've
been conversing with for a long time. Had no idea what color
skin is, was it will be and I never cared. Adam just finished
listening to any show. 645 my father born in 1928 always made
macaroni and cheese for Thanksgiving from scratch. He
used sharp cheddar only no Velveeta that is not cheese. I
did not think that it was a depression issue. His father was
a professor and a college president. But I imagined that
was a standard for Sunday's when my father's mother Vivian and
five of her siblings and the children would meet and have a
potluck after church, I'm guessing was a good dish for one
of the aunties to give the chick kids and a cheap way to feed
about eight instead of baking another ham or chicken. And then
I said yes, we're not answering the question. Are you black? And
he says yes, sorry if my references were too subtle. My
father's maternal grandfather was born a slave in the early
1860s. And in the United States, they were in South Carolina,
North Carolina by the 1950s migrated to New York City Gary,
Indiana and Los Angeles. So yes, we are and my father's cooking
was southern soul food. And yes, this is a this is a black thing
for Thanksgiving and but not cook shit. It is done with great
pride and secret recipes, family recipes that date back to the
days of slavery.
Well, okay.
And I'm going to be asking my black friends and asked I would
like to ask him to give us the seasoning. The secret
recipe. Oh, yeah. Not gonna hurt.
There are people that like mac and cheese. Apparently,
a lot of them are black. Not not that not for them craft.
No, no, no, that's never gonna be good. One more clip here from
but there's the second half of the clip with his dingbat
chicken so we might as well play it.
So I have the ingredients here. We are going to be using some
milk, cottage cheese, grated cheddar cheese, brown rice
pasta, but feel free to use whatever pasta you'd like. I
just really like brown rice pasta, some cayenne pepper,
regular salt and pepper, ground mustard, nutmeg, and some
butter. And of course the star bake,
bake, bake
Yeah, it was tomorrow's mac and cheese day you can go online go
to the YouTube and you can find a million recipes for mac and
cheese all of them are just flaky and they're overseas and
they're trying to make something fancy I wish it should be cheap
cheddar and elbow macaroni that's that mac and cheese mac
and cheese by iron Rand I don't really have any more.
I have a clip to kind of play us out because I thought it was
funny. Yeah don't have a play out clip and have the the ash
crisis.
Oh yeah, this is gonna be fun for you. Now you were Pooh
poohing this in the last show. I was I was a bull crap this bull
crap and you're just wishful thinking Pooh poohing it the way
I see it now. It's
still bull crap.
You're gonna be stuck.
It's still bull crap.
You'll see. No,
I'm not saying that. I won't be stuck. But it's bull crap
because there's nothing there's nothing exploding it's you know,
scientists
from the Icelandic Met Office have been carefully monitoring
the volcano bada boom, on the air.
The Boombah Boombah the volcano What is this wall Kinos name?
The booga booga.
booga booga
scientists from the Icelandic Met Office have been carefully
monitoring the volcano bada boom bada from the air building a
bunker the ice bada boom dango Boom shaka laka. Boom. The
glazier may look deceptively calm. But beneath the glass
here, the earth is moving. And the lava has started erupting.
So this is exactly what our producer said in Boca you Oh,
you can't see it, but it's happening. I have thoughts about
this.
If the lava reaches the surface, it can send huge ash flows to
the atmosphere as clouds. Icelanders issued an alert for
the aviation industry. Current aviation color code of butter
booga is read the current
aviation cloud for bada boom, Bada is read. I don't need to
know any more. I'm frightened to death. Yeah, this should be this
is what is happening. This needs to be seen in relation to
Ukraine and Russia and jets flying around. This is a
takeover. There is a need and necessity for control of
European airspace. We don't know why yet. We don't know why. But
this is being used just like the last time.
Well then I do have a clip to take us out on something a
little lighter.
But you're not flying tomorrow.
It's a 15 second commercial though with Johnny Bench
promoting blue emu and I've never heard a commercial in my
life with this particular kicker.
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mula it's a non greasy deep penetrating formula that works
itself down into my joy and for all those hard to reach aches
and pains now there's blue emu pain relief spray take it for me
it works fast and you won't stink
you know I
can't even say it in the show. Best podcast in the universe
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Advertising yard me.
Oh, my joins her I need some bluey.
Do you think that there's other forms of blue emu?
I assume that some of them make you stink and this was the this
was the high point. learn this lesson.
Ah, thank you. That was very funny.
It worked for me good. We're done.
We're done. I don't have to get all annoyed.
We got our laugh in and
then we did well, we have nothing but laughs
The whole show was a comedy show.
If you notice, I do put the comedy tag in iTunes. Somehow
we're not really receiving the accolades we deserve. But okay,
it's what it is. Thank you all very much for
those guys laugh at beheadings
DO NOT FUNNY eight holes or whatever people are horrible
people. Alright, thank you all very much for contributing Miss
mica and I flying to the lowlands of Amsterdam, where she
will ask the question
why am I married to this guy? And we are good.
We are. We are the Laurel and Hardy of podcasting. Coming to
you from FEMA Region six in the capital of the drone Star State
in the morning everybody. My name is Adam curry.
I'm from Northern Silicon Valley where it's foggy again, which is
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