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Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
It's Thursday, May 15 2014. Time for you get more nation media
assassination episode 617
This is no agenda
coming to you from the future here in the hot pocket. Wasabi
tour love hotel in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry.
And from the past in northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C.
Dvorak. Buzzkill. A
little more inspiration was possible. What? Okay.
It's early.
Yeah. See, the minute. The minute we start the show, that's
when the Skype connection falls apart. Yeah. That's crazy. How
that? I don't know. Why does it do that? We were on for 20
minutes. It'll pick up
it's the jingle.
You're telling me the jingle blows it out?
Yeah, yeah.
Weird. Cuz now some we have this huge delay. I don't understand.
How does that happen?
It just does. You're in Japan.
Yes. Hello. I'm just going to shut down everything I can hold
on one second. Maybe it's
downloading porn.
Yeah. Mickey's in the other room. You never know what's
going on. Alright, so maybe this will help. Yeah, I mean, I'm in
Tokyo. We are about an hour early on the live stream. And it
is 10. Eight minutes to midnight. Thursday evening here
in Tokyo.
All right. It's 7:52am here in West Coast time. Yeah. Just you
know, not too bad. Alright.
It's picking up again. Maybe it was BitTorrent Sync or
something? Who knows? Who knows what was running. Anyway, this
is our third day here. And also when we leave Yes, Sunday, no.
Fourth day? I don't know. It's so confusing living on the other
side of the world.
You've been there for a month.
And now?
No, not quite a month. But I tell you, I'll tell you one
thing. I think we need to live here a couple months out of the
year. Okay, if I why? Wow. I love this place. Okay, die. Oh,
okay. Well, I'm glad you asked. Here is a list of why this is
nothing like I expected. And I hadn't I had all these weird
preconceived
English like you expected? I'm sorry.
Nothing like it.
Okay. First, we've got to really figure out why all of a sudden,
I can't even hear you. Hold on.
Hold on one second. Can you just talk for a moment? Yeah, sure.
You know, bother
you Now this happens more now than it ever used to in the
past, you go to a website, and you dissipate, oh, I want to
make I want to print this page out. So I can, you know, do
something with it. So you print the page out and you get blank
page million blank pages with one or two items on each page.
It's a disaster because of all the JavaScript crap that is on
these pages. And you just like no, they don't. And whatever
happened to the little icon said print, specifically to create a
page you can print nicely, they don't do that anymore. No,
because of all the Java Script crap. Yeah.
Anyway, well, it's not. There's not just JavaScript. It's all
the advertising JavaScript crap. That's
right. All the flash combination of flash JavaScript and ads that
are clogging up the page. You can't print the pages.
They I'm gonna call you right back. Let's just see if we can
make this a little bit better. Yeah, good idea.
Okay
all right. Yeah. All right. Yeah, much better.
Okay. All right. Did you get my rant about printing pages? Yeah,
no,
I could hear you. It's just you became you know, like, like the
20 metre band.
CQ CQ. No, it
wasn't CQ. It was it was just you complaining about about
pages printing pages now now. It's in the best thing you can
do is print as PDF that actually works. You You have that on
Windows
yeah there's some that there are some PDF options I mean that
look think about that
well on the Mac I have good success with print as PDF Yeah,
of course you're gonna get all the ads and everything there but
you don't have all these these issues that you're talking about
by the way a lot of people taking exception speaking of
printing to your your rant against a for
yeah oh yeah. At least a half dozen people that get all upset
Oh, I emailed you not the ones that emailed me as per usual
EEA for is is tall and thin like Adam not fat and chubby like
John
that's objective
All right Tokyo extents Tokyo observations here we
go no, no, no, no, no no, you first you tell us what you
expect that I want to stereotype and then you talk about
okay, the expectation was and this you have a little bit to do
with this just the way you I clearly recall you saying Tokyo
sucks traffic sucks the cab suck it I hate it you said to me
literally I hate Tokyo does this correctly okay yeah all right. I
don't understand why so but my my expectation was a lot of
annoying little people running around shoving me ever said
anything telling you my expectation this is what I
thought a lot of annoying little people running around getting in
my way. Way overcrowded, stinky smoggy crappy dirty everything
to small strip
China.
Okay, so the only thing that is kind of true is small but he I
gotta list first of all green. I had no idea how lush and green
and juicy this we landed here. It could have been New Jersey
you see?
Yeah. Juicy. Like yeah, like you like green, lush, green and
juicy. Yeah. Do you like the for the foliage is juicy.
Well come on. Maybe I'm romanticising a little bit. But
you know what I mean?
Yes, the Japanese like there and you're in the right time of year
because you got all the blossoms. Yeah, well,
no, I think we just missed the blossoms. But everything's green
everywhere. There's great trees and we're right near these
these. These fantastic parks. Just but everywhere on the
streets. green and green. Okay, streets. The roads. Beautiful.
Everything's in what's supposed to be black is black. What is
supposed to be grey is grey. And there's no and they like they
painted at night every night is to make sure it's perfect for
Adam when he's walking down there. Everything is beautiful.
When was the last time you were here?
I haven't been there for a decade.
Okay. Oh, that makes sense, then. That makes sense.
Why does that make sense?
I mean, well, I think
that asshole hasn't come back for 10 years that's fix up the
place. Well,
here's the question. What if I were to ask you what is
noticeable about cabs in Tokyo? What would you say?
They have the doilies on the seats.
What do you mean by doily? You know, like
this knit? Just a little covers. The seats are covered a lot of
our plastic.
Well, yes. No, no. They had to have like silk.
Some material. Yeah,
that's silk. What am I thank you lace. Yeah, lace lace. Boy.
That's
a doily.
A doily is something that Martha Stewart uses to create? stick
figures with? No, no, no doily. doily is a piece of oily is
doily is a piece of wood. round piece of wood. That's what
a doily is a lace piece of lace that you put on the table and
then you put a cup on top of it. It's a piece of lace. Those are
doilies that they have on top of those seats.
Okay, yeah, I'm looking at the book of knowledge. Okay, gotcha.
What is the what is it? You get piece of wood. What is it Martha
Stewart is always talking about doilies.
Yeah, doilies. That's what you got on those seats on those
cabs.
I thought it was like a toilet paper roll.
Holy crap.
Okay, all right. I don't know what I'm talking about.
Now, right, so what I noticed the most here's,
here's what you would have noticed if you'd been here in
the last decade. Yeah, the doors open and close automatically
when the car pulls up to you on the street. This is very and you
are not supposed to open The door yourself. That is a
mechanism. Yeah. That was this
like this one you were here 10 years ago.
I don't remember that
it's possible. These are just sedans. These aren't you know,
and these are this is jerry rigged this is not a
bigger cars than then you'd think I know that.
Now that kind of standard sedans,
yeah, American size. Yeah, they're big, but salvage cars in
the US
that not really that big. But regardless, that's it, they have
a special mechanism that is that is jerry rigged onto the rear
left hand door. And you are not to open the door yourself. You
stand there, the left hand rear passenger door opens, you get
in, and then he closes it. And you do not open the door to get
out. He opens it. And then you walk away and he closes it. It's
the weirdest thing. And I didn't know this in and day mastered
Metis here, like the first day we arrived and I go to open the
door and like oh, no, don't do that. So what do you mean? No,
no, no, no. Now he knows you're a douchebag was a guy saying or
something that some term for douchebag foreigner gauging
gauging the foreign devil so he'll he'll let you get away
with it this time, but you do not touch the door.
Oh, that's charming.
But every everybody is super polite. Really nice. very
courteous cab drivers are super polite, very courteous. have no
clue what you're asking them to do. Can if you hold up a piece
of paper or something on your phone with this is the address I
want to go to they go hi, hi. But I know you can't read it.
Then I actually didn't actually know what you're saying. They're
illiterate too. Yeah, that well, they can't read English.
Oh, and they just have it all in Japanese.
And then they just drive around. We've had this several times
now. And we say stop. He doesn't stop. Like Stop, stop, stop.
Let's let's look at the map stop. He doesn't stop. To where
if you say go straight what you point straight? Hi. It's
communication is impossible with cab drivers.
Always had an escort?
Yeah, well, we've we've had, we have not had an escort all the
time, obviously. So we've been on our own and it's a disaster
when we were on our own. Well,
in China, the the rule is, I mean, what you're supposed to do
and what I in fact, have a book that I have squirrelled away for
Taiwan and Beijing and Shanghai is you have to go to the hotel
when you check in. And then you have all these itineraries the
places you want to go. And you have the person at the hotel,
one of the bilingual ones write it all down in Chinese. But you
know, page after page and you have the English translation on
the same page, and then you'd hold up that specific
translation for wherever it is, you want to go to the cabbie and
he takes you there. And it's no big deal. Because in fact, in
China is very common for people to do that. Because most of them
have all these dialects. They can't even communicate with each
other. And that would be the thing I would do in Japan. Yeah,
as opposed to saying stuff to guys that can't speak English.
Right.
The difference is we're not in a hotel. We are in DeMasters
apartment, her piano tear. So there's no concierge service.
There's no, there's no concierge service desk, we just pop by and
say, Hey, could you write down some kanji for me? And we were
completely self sufficient on our own, which is very cool.
Yeah, sounds like it if you'd like to spend money on cabs
with just a couple of kids. It was just to the gallery because
Mickey had her opening. We're schlepping stuff back and forth.
And how'd that go, by the way? Very well, it was it was this
evening was earlier this evening.
And in drink, apparently. No.
But we woke up at five this morning. And I've been prepping
most of the day. And then we had the the opening, which was from
six to quarter nine, I think, came back here finished up, you
know, a couple of recording a couple of clips. And then and
then got everything started get everything ready, because you
know, just just all timing. But the show at that show was great.
And it was very, the Dutch embassy was represented and they
brought, they also kind of brought their guest list for
some of the prominent Dutch people here. And actually to two
people were very interesting. Who were there. One was, he's a
reporter, a financial and financial energy reporter. So he
said if I was hard somewhere, he basically reports on oil gas
pipelines and nuclear energy
to get somebody to talk to ya
for an hour. here's like a vile, Adam curry. Who knew? Because
I'm laying everything on him, I'm smacking him down with South
Stream. I'm laying down the bar Syria, Ukraine theory. And he
said everything I said, he thought, yeah, that makes a lot
of sense. Except for when I laid out I rolled out that tsunami
bomb to to screw up the nuclear energy in Tokyo. He wasn't he's
like, and you lost me on that one said, Well, I don't know,
it's, you know, the US and Australia. they've tested 40
Tsunami bomb. So it's not like it's crazy, unthinkable thing.
It's, you know. But I got I got a couple of pieces of insight he
was I talked to him about the Nicaragua canal versus the
Panama Canal. He said, Yeah, everyone in the industry,
everybody is talking about this. But nobody really knows. Any
full details. So it's one of those things that the entire
energy industry is all over, but no one really know, is it, you
know, are the Chinese and the Russians doing it together?
Everyone's still waiting for this. I think a lot of info
actually from him. For the Russia, China deal to complete.
This is where Russia is selling their oil to China. And he says,
you know, they've been working on this for 10 years. And the
whole issue is the Chinese want a participation deal. And they
want 30% of, of this the resource of the sort of the
ownership if they're going to buy this oil directly from
Russia. And this has been on the table for a while, apparently.
And so no one's really sure if that's going to happen. It was
kind of good. So I think it's a good contact for the show. And
have some have some good insight.
Yeah, the Chinese always wanted his participation deals. Yeah,
that way, they get a foothold, and they got the 30%. And then
they kick you out of the country. Yes, the way their deal
works,
except that, you know, the they would be kicked out of the
country.
Well, if they're getting oil from Russia, they're not gonna
be able to, you know, end up buying gas. They're not going to
be buying Gazprom anytime soon.
And then I met this other guy, and he is he's a very he's a
journalist. And of course, I've promptly forgotten his name.
Hold on. He just wrote an article for Daily Beast, about
the kind of big news here in Japan. Ave. has been trying to
change the constitution. In Japan, apparently the ninth what
would you call it the Ninth Amendment?
Revision? No, it's
like point number nine on the on the Japanese Constitution is,
you know, they can't go to war.
Though he wants to? Well, you know, we're behind that.
But no kidding. And so he's been he's been systematically working
on changing this. And already the Japanese military industrial
complex is cranking up.
Yeah, well, we want that for a good reason. Tell me. Well, we
believe that history repeats itself, and maybe the Japanese
will attack the Chinese. solve some of our problems. Exactly.
And, and so now Mitsubishi is starting to apparently the
Japanese are very good at building stuff that kills
people. Oh, yeah. Let me just get this guy's name. And
one of the Mitsubishi cars you know what that means?
Yeah. Okay, here's the article is a joke. Yeah. Japanese women
tell their men they have to choose between love and war. The
eBay administration's attempts to turn this guy's name is Jake
Adelstein will book the attempt to turn Japan from a pacifist
nation into one that can wage war and export arms more freely,
is being met with some undercover resistance or to put
it more accurately under the covers resistance. A Tokyo based
group known as women who won't have sex with warmongering men.
As long as you get to the point of
full scale sex strike just in time to block Prime Minister
Shinzo Abe A and the liberal democratic parties that make a
push for militarization. So that's a typical Daily Beast
angle, but this guy, this Jake Adelstein he has a book coming
out called the the last Yakuza of life in the Japanese
underworld, and he apparently has spent quite a number of
months hanging out with the Yakuza. I believe at one point
he had to leave the country for a while. Things got weird. So
interesting fellow.
Yeah, that guy would be an interesting guy. I'm sure he's
got stories. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be great dinner table
conversationalist. Okay, devas fingered chopped off.
No, no, he didn't. He didn't. He did make a joke about that
though. He was like, I forget what it was. We're talking about
guns or something. So you don't have any guns here? Is it? No.
Oh, good. So you can't have a knife here. You can have a knife
as long as it's just big enough to cut off your pinky. Okay.
Okay, so every all voice systems here, like giant voice systems,
but if you're in a cab and anything that is that is giving
you an electronic computerised warning voice is a young girl.
Yeah. And speaking of which, school girls, holy cow, Japanese
school girls. I'm in love.
I get it now.
The ones that are all dressed up funny. Oh,
they're there. They're the I'm just blown away. This is one
street and you walk through the street. And you're like a salmon
swimming upstream and nothing but just hundreds of Japanese
schoolgirls. And some of them are in uniform. But they're only
they got like, you know, Lacy things on their head and crazy
whacked out colours and high platform shoes.
I put a picture of the Yeah, exactly. The newsletter.
Well, what I saw it was 10 times better even in the picture you
put in them and you take
some pictures. Okay, yeah, I did. I want pictures for the
newsletter. Okay.
Yeah, we got lots of pictures. Okay, tipping. No tipping in
Japan?
Yeah, that's right. I didn't know this.
In fact, it is, in some cases deemed an insult. Right. So this
is, this is good. I encourage this. No, tipping is perfect. It
saves me 20% on everything I'm doing.
Okay, and with
the yen the way it is this is not as expensive as I thought it
would be the point of what
is right did well, that's because you're at a discount
right now. Now's the time to be in Japan.
Resources very impressed with how they manage resources. And
let me give you some examples. For instance, this evening in
the at the opening now this was an opening that we weren't
really in charge of. So obviously there were some
Chardonnay in plastic cups. I mean, that's that's typical.
That is a a global phenomenon for art Expo. Of course, they
also had bottles of Heineken, brought by the embassy and some
odd cheese. Yeah, Gouda cheese. But when they when you have a
cough, and they they put a liquid in your cup, like in
America, you'd fill it up three quarters of the way. Here 1/3.
If not less, it's just like a little bottom that's everything
is less, less, less less. The bathroom here in the apartment,
which is a very typical, actually luxury Japanese
apartment. Which means well being luxury is great. But
Japanese means nice Mickey and I have to be bent over a lot so as
not to decapitate ourselves moving from one space to the
next, as the doorways are very low. But the bathroom the toilet
itself that I had never seen this and it seems like such a
smart idea. And when you flush the toilet, and it's a it's a
very standard kind of looking toward Yeah, it has the seat
with a warming thing and all that crap. But that's not what
I'm interested in here. The the tank of the toilet, on the top
of the tank, it's a sink. And when you flush the toilet where
typically in the tank, it starts to fill up again. There's a
faucet on the top of the tank that then all of the water
starts coming out right after you flush and you wash your
hands and it goes down the drain into the tank. Oh, I'd never
seen this. I've never seen that either. And again, it makes so
much sense.
Well, yeah, I guess if you're
worried about water,
but it's wine over you. Why not? Why not worried about water.
It's just it's a simple thing that makes you gotta wash your
hands anyway. And for guys, it's great and you're facing that
direction. Most of the time. You flush the toilet and then the
water starts running out. Great. I've just washed my hands here.
Good to go.
Yeah, well encourages cleanliness.
And let's see. Oh, yes. Something that I believe it
seems to
me that there's really a subtle message to that device.
Apparently the Japanese have they don't have the water
running. They won't wash their hands. Huh Not a bad sign. But
anyway,
I don't think it's that
as well wash your hands because the waters were running. Anyway,
go on
the something that I believe if we could convince Eric, I think
would be a big hit safety helmets. The Japanese safety
helmet.
That's because of those low doorways. You shouldn't have.
You should have been wearing one of those.
Everybody here who is doing something outside has a safety
helmet on. I don't care what you're doing. I don't care if
you're a crossing guards
are called hard hats in the United States.
It's not really a hard hat. I know what a hard hat is a
Japanese safety helmet, which is what I'm calling it. It has a
different look to it. It's kind of it's like the it's, it's not.
Do you know what I mean? It's it is it has a different shape and
a different form. And it's high gloss. And it has the bill is
not so construction helmet or a hardhat. As we know it has a
longer bill. These are kind of short
doesn't. Most hard hats don't have a bill at all.
If you were to Google Japanese safety, I'm looking
at him right now looks like a hardhat. To me, it just got a
couple of blind is a little difference got like, it's got
like a rim around the whole thing which we don't have, which
looks makes it look like a German war helmet from you know,
World War Two. No, it's a hard hat. It's like a hard hat.
I think there's a distinct difference between hard hats and
Well,
looking at a hard hat.
Yeah, no, I'm seeing a difference.
You don't see that?
I'm looking I just typed in hard hat. I've got to know. They're
so similar. It's not. And if you look at the like a pyramid hard
hat. Or if you look at a little thing shop for a hard hat on
Google. They have every variety, including the Japanese when they
all look the same. The hard hat is really most Well, here's one
with the big bill that you're talking about. No, I don't see
it. Is that different? It's like it's just a hardhat. But why are
they walking around the streets with them is the question you
and I'm reminded of, I'm reminded of these of these
characters who come in the San Francisco and they spend the
rest of their day in the city wearing their exhibition badge
from Moscone centre. Downtown.
Yeah, now this is different. This is something very different
here. All right. Oh, I'm just I'm getting kicked out of the
chat room, but it's not the chat rooms fault.
While you're getting kicked out of the chat room, it's
the well the connection that I'm using right now. Is a one of
those MiFi things and LTE. Yeah, now the bandwidth is is
outstanding when you do the speed test. I'm getting 20
megabits down almost 10 megabits up and I just had to move it to
a different spot at the start here we
go I'm looking at this you lines got you lined with big company
they got a hard hat white nice white hard hat for 10 bucks,
which is about right Skald Guard protective hard at $127.95 for
global industries. That is a Jip. Jip
anyway, we are, we are being a
good way, by the way for you. There's a Vulcan cowboy hard
hat, which is shaped like a cowboy hat.
I got a Vulcan hard hat for you right here.
Yeah, okay. No one
there's a difference. There's a difference and people will be
emailing us in that there is a difference with typical Japanese
heart is
that the Japanese version of the hard head yeah, there's a
difference. It's minor.
I think it looks funky.
I'll get one and wear it around Austin. See how far you get. You
know, for
what is that boy cranky today?
You had to get up early to start early.
The hell's wrong with you? You're not from around here.
Yeah, go on. Go on with your observations. Yeah.
Okay. Well, of course, a lot of of our trips so far has been
very nice because Sir Mark and Dame Astrid who are of course a
vie countin by counters here in in Tokyo and, and they know
their way around here and people know them. And they've been
taking extremely good care of us, you know, that we arrived
on, got on with a Tuesday evening or whatever. They had a
car pick us up at the airport. And that was my first experience
like whoa, where's the traffic? There was no traffic and it was
6pm
Oh, yeah, in Narita. Yeah, yeah I'm travelling nowhere
that's quite a ways away from the city but there was no
traffic and now there's beauty beautiful car like a like a kind
of a bus you know like I don't know I don't know it was it was
nice leather smell nice had the the head the no doilies no doors
no no doilies the guys wearing white gloves you know perfect
little hat little uniform. We're watching sumo wrestlers live on
TV.
Was it a hard hat? No, it
was not a hard hat. Then then you know we arrive and is it
okay and then take us out to dinner we go to this place it
was a little small place and the head you know on the steps going
down into it. There was a
it was a small place or a little small place how small was don't
be such
a dick Dvorak I just saying yeah, it's
late for me. I'm very tired and you're up early and cranky.
Don't be a shit.
Okay, okay. Say anything. I think
the problem is you're just jealous. That's the problem
you're jealous that you're stuck in San Francisco a bee or
hoarders house and I live in
California we got no air conditioning has been miserably
there
it is there and if you didn't sleep at all last night because
of it's been sticky and you're hot and you're just cranky and
angry. Alright, so a little place not a little small place a
little place it stairs to go down into it and at the top of
the stairs at the street level there's a watermelon in the
middle of the steps and on either side a little pile of
salt now if I had what yes a watermelon in the middle on the
top step
okay and less than rice is on the ground or tape
on the ground right on the step that there was a watermelon
watermelon and to the left and right of it a pile of white salt
do you have to jump over the water you
have to walk over here you know you have to this No I'm if I had
seen this and not being with Mark and Astrid I would have not
walked down a door that doesn't seem like a very friendly
inviting place.
It looks like the places close marking it with watermelons can
afford a don't enter sign.
This is the reason for this is to keep away to ward off evil
spirits. Well, yeah. Really? Yeah. And then and then we had
oni
Yeah, I knew you'd have Guney Yeah, we
had Guney. He like Guney. He has very nice. Okay, good Tony,
which is essentially sea urchins the reproductive organs that's
the row actually I read it's not the row actually it's the stuff
that makes
gooey get Yeah, it's gooey.
It's very gooey
if you like Guney your your Japanese will love you
then we will the Japanese love me anyway he's look at me and go
Oh, we love you. We had asparagus the size of a baseball
bat. Nice. They've really well that's an exaggeration but
really huge asparagus stalks and obviously in house it's just
mind boggling and just really nice and alcohol beer and Sakina
okay perfect so I don't know man I like it I it's it's so far
removed from anything I know from any type of culture and
it's just no one is a dick here they may be you know the cab
drivers may not know what they're doing but everyone's
really nice and just chill and you don't feel weird on you
don't feel threatened at any minute doesn't know crime here
are very very low crime they have nine murders a year in
total
All right, well, I'm glad you're having a good time.
Yeah. Now before we left of course we had to go through the
typical rigmarole at the airport in America in the police state
where no Oh, before we get to that arrival here you arrived
the airport there's no one yelling at you no one telling
you get in this line you're gonna GREENGUARD that none of
that. Here's a guy going Hello. I am and he checks your your
customs form all yes knowing you do fill it out correctly. Or if
you see someone all you have to put away and explain it put it
in to help you over here. It's just no point to what you have
to fill out. Even though we did it correctly, but he was he was
very nice. Since smiling, and then you go up to the to the
customs counter and no line no crazy. No, no a million guys
looking at you with big guns like, what are you coming to do
here? You should head you know that's like America.
By the way there's 442 murders in Japan. Wow,
all of Japan. Yeah, I was just talking about Tokyo I think is
nine in Tokyo. And so there's really a friend Oh, welcome,
welcome Do you have any any just you know, it looks Do your thing
is it okay? And then as he would want you to wants to do the
biometric thing and in, in the US, you know, you have your
whole print on there and they, you know, this angle is this
Logitech webcam at your face. And here it's very pretty
colours. Blue, blue, blue, and you're done with the fingerprint
scan. It's Oh, please smile for camera, Moto Baba, Baba. And
boom, you're done. And you bag? Yeah, it's a good picture. Yeah.
And the bag comes right off. And if you go to the customer, oh,
hi. Everyone's nice. It's just nice. It's a welcoming
experience. I remember a time when it was welcome to America.
Please enjoy your stay.
What now? Is that? What is it? What do you want? Yeah.
Oh, no, it's not even here. What do you think you are?
Exactly what what are you coming here for
embarrassing embarrassment when I compare this? So before we
left, of course, we had our TSA thing now. Very interesting.
This is early. We haven't done an early morning flight from
Austin in a while. And it was extremely busy. And this was a
Monday morning flights, I guess people are commuters and our
airport is it gets busy. But I had never been there during this
period. And and so there's a line. And of course, you know,
us we always go in the precheck line, which is also the the
frequent flyer and or the premium flyer line. And we do
this with our coach tickets. And we're standing in line Mickey's
ethos is a long line Hold on a second I'm going to go up to the
and talk to the guy Mickey gets anything gun she wants, you
know, she she's she has this, this thing about her style. And
style. That's probably what it class, something we know nothing
about. And then she's waving to me. And she says, Oh, no, the
the TSA guy said no, the precheck line is twice as slow
as the regular line now, which is something you already
identified this was going to happen. And to everybody is in
the pre check. And it's just it's taken a long time. So we
hop into the, into the regular line, and it's moving along and
we get up to the front there. And we're together. And then
there's the the lady's like, oh, you know, of course, she asked
you your name, which is all ridiculous. What's your name?
Adam curry. And she looks at you like it? He did. He started out
when he said that. Eric? Salah Yeah, exactly. And then she hits
the end, and Mickey gets to go through precheck. She gets in.
And I have to go through the slave scanner, which I don't do
opt out, of course, but and she can keep her shoes on and keep
the laptop in the bag. And how does this work? The woman, the
woman when she comes into America every single time she is
detained for being a possible terrorists. But Oh, when did she
gets pre check?
Well to look at the draw. Well,
not exactly. I was a little irked by this. And I found a
talk that took place a day before yesterday from our buddy
Pistole, the head of the TSA. And he had a couple of
interesting things to say about precheck. And I wanted to play
the first bit here, which is well, you'll hear we can
generally
expedite those. And so for example, those going through TSA
PreCheck, we've now expanded from our original four airports
in the fall of 2011 219 airports, the 100, the busiest
airports in the country. And instead of having four
individual lanes and one individual lane and those four
airports, we now have over 600 TSA PreCheck lanes around the
country either open full time during the time that the
checkpoint is open, or just during the busiest time, the
early morning or late afternoon,
right. So this is exactly what we witnessed. And the precheck
line apparently now is just where you throw everybody into
and it's become an incredible hassle. And now the part that
blew me away.
As more and more people sign up, we can have greater and greater
confidence that these are known and trusted travellers that we
can expedite. Again, we
trotting out key point here, trusted travellers
have a greater population, greater universe of people as
known and trusted. And as we do that, you will you may have seen
we've included some some people who weren't part of the trusted
traveller programme and a TSA PreCheck lane. And if you have
been behind some of this one If you don't know what they're
doing that can be frustrating.
Yes, yes, I agree that can be somewhat frustrating.
We basically have been given some free samples.
Oh, let me just let me just see how this works. We've been
giving free samples, which means no checking for hidden explosive
devices or shoe bombs or battery bombs or boob bombs, a free
sample to these people who have absolutely no clearance. Mickey
has had no no interview, no, nothing. In fact, quite the
opposite. She is detained when she re enters the country
because she's a terrorist. But she gets a free sample
to say okay, if you're known if you're not in one of our
programmes, but we're assessing you in at least three or four
away,
oh, what would these three or four ways be? Well, let me see.
We detain her every single time. This is bull crabs,
then we'll perhaps have you go through and there's some
randomization on that.
Yeah, the randomization is that stupid iPad that will pop left
arrow, go ahead, you're cleared
that we've worked with create on then you go through that. And if
you liked that, then we encourage you to sign up. There
was
no, there was no encouragement, no one had a form that said, oh,
did you like that? Miss? This is this is this isn't
out. Right. This is the tip. This is the the security theatre
that we're stuck with. I'm still reminded of the numerous you
know, because they're supposed to keep the one thing when this
all began. Was you got to you can't separate people from their
luggage. So if you check in a bag and flight one, and then you
somehow miss it, and you have to take flight two, they're
supposed to stop flight one and take your bag off. Yes, yes.
Yes. When's the last time that's happened? Well, I've heard
them threaten it.
You realise how hard it is to get they have to essentially
unload all the bags, because they just tossed the bags into
the luggage area, you see it going up the ramp, thrown a man,
they don't know where your bag is. So they gotta take all the
luggage, it takes like an hour. You know how long it takes to
Unload the luggage when you go pick up your luggage if you
checked luggage in, you know, you gotta wait forever. So they
got to do that. And then they got to find your bag, which is a
pain in the ass and then pull it off the flight and put it on a
different flight. And then I often don't view already on the
plane so they send your bag on a third flight like
without you without you. Yeah. And then and that is something
that has been happening. But But this theatre of going through
the scanner and then the oh we're giving you a free sample
of what freedom here's a free sample of nones police state
freedom. Did you enjoy that? What happened to protecting me?
No, no, no, give it to the lady who you have absolutely no data
on whatsoever.
Some people may receive that benefit several times in a row
and then not get it.
Oh, the Oh, you may not get that benefit. I'm an American
citizen. I didn't haven't gotten that benefit.
Same thing, even if you're in the programme, because we don't
want to provide a roadmap to terrorist so we will always keep
random and unpredictable even for those known and trusted so
Wait, hold on. Oh, yeah. So if I pay good money, yes, sir. To get
on that pre scan thing. They're pre screened. Yes, sir. One or
two they can say now not today.
In fact, if you listen to this next bit, it even happens to him
apparently. And just
I can testify that personally because I get random out from
time to time and they Okay, now this is not really risk based.
If I if I'm going through standard training, but go along
with it.
Just go along with it slave. Wow. Yeah. Now just to wind up
this little talk with just to make it funny. Yeah, and there's
a lot of this going on. Now. We see this on the on the on the
telescreen happening. Often, he had a little video which he
showed him this is what you do when you when you are creating
this theatre, you need to create an event in people's minds and
make them believe that something that didn't happen, maybe it
could but you've got to give them some visual aids so they
can they can really, really get into it. And well then this is
where we go from the pre check into the the underwear bomber
and what could have happened.
This video is just the 15 second video from something the FBI
took so I still with the FBI when the Christmas Day plot
happened. And what it shows is just the device that the 24 year
old Nigerian Abdul Muttalib had that and the FBI and others
recreated that device if you will, which as you remember, he
burned earned but didn't explode.
Okay, let's just recap for a second. This device that he had,
what was the device that he had John?
It was supposedly as some sort of explosive device in his
crotch
explosive underwear.
Yeah, exactly that that would blow up.
Okay. So
here we go. And so this was done just to see what would have
happened if it had exploded as an as design is intended by the
bomb maker and others. And it's just on a sheet of aluminium to
replicate the skin of an aircraft on a couple of
sawhorses. And so let's go ahead and run that. And you can get a
sense of the power of this non metallic IED.
So now they have a distance shot in a field of a sheet of
aluminium on two sawhorses with this thing in the middle, none
of this happened. None of this happened. The guy's crotch
started to smoke and the passengers of the aircraft, you
know, hit him over the head and poured water on his crotch and
put out whatever he was whatever matchstick he was trying to
light up, but just to frighten you. We're going to show you
this video.
And of course, the whole the whole thing explodes a hole in
the ground replay. There you go replayed twice.
So you can imagine in a pressurised cabin of an aircraft
at 30 35,000 feet, that is clearly going to be
catastrophic. See,
this is what you can imagine, please imagine, but it didn't
happen to we don't know if this master bomb maker can actually
make a bomb or not. And
not only that, but it wasn't a government that stopped it from
even beginning to happen. It was the public at large. And it's
happened to same thing with the shooting original shoe bomber.
He waltz through, tried to lie to shoot he was clubbed to
death, not to death, but he was clubbed with some guy by a fire
extinguisher they clubbed him in their head and beat the shit out
of him. And that's what the public will do if they're given
the opportunity. Because apparently the government can't
do any of this work
now, but this, there's so much idiocy going around. When it
comes to people like this Pistole guy, like Senator
Sheldon Whitehouse, and I could not believe what I was hearing.
And I have the setup clip and a payoff here. They had a
congressional hearing. And this was, of course, about cyber
theft. And for some reason, the American public, I think the
American public is docile doesn't give a crap. But we are
all buying into the fact that the government needs to protect
your business. So if you have any kind of business, and you
have having a computer, and you use the internet, apparently
we're allowing it to be the government's business to protect
us from well, not just cyber thieves, but from the Chinese,
obviously. And then this, this whole thing is wrong to me.
Since when is the government tasked with protecting your
business from theft? Is this a government function? Am I
misunderstanding? This
is what the police does that mean? Do they they protect you
from theft, that they patrol the streets and if somebody's
breaking into your place, then you will arrest them?
I don't think it's the same thing. It's not it's not the
same.
Why not? It sounds the same to me.
They don't have checkpoints on the roads to make sure that no
one who is coming down my road as a cyber is a thief. If so, if
they kept someone breaking in, and they're, they're smashing a
window, but these guys are doing they want to firewall the entire
country. And you know, then of course, you're gonna have to
hire you know, 1000s of contractors to do all this. You
know, this is about making the internet all of a sudden some
kind of national infrastructure that needs to be protected,
which is is ludicrous. You can't do it. Anyway, here's the here's
his, here's his little setup from your spiel, and then I'll
play the piece that just was mind boggling.
American companies are renowned as being the most innovative in
the world, that companies of every size and in every
industry, from manufacturing, to software to biotechnology to
aerospace, own large portfolios of legally protected trade
secrets, they have developed and innovated.
Okay, so he's talking about legally protected trade secrets.
So it doesn't matter if an if a Chinese guy or you know, hacker,
whoever it is, steals the secret. If it's legally
protected, they shouldn't be able to use it. It's like if
there's some kind of intellectual property that is so
hidden, you know that, that no one can access it, then what's
the where's the legal protection? It's I'm not quite
sure what he's trying to protect us from, from what kind of
theft? What exactly.
In some cases, the secret sauce may be a company's most valuable
asset. The theft of the secrets can lead to devastating
consequences. For small businesses, it can be a matter
of life and death.
Oh, really? So if someone hacks into my computer and all of a
sudden were dying? I'm not so sure.
Yeah, companies now.
I think they I think he meant death to the company. Now give
him a break on that No. Okay.
The reality that they are being attacked on a daily basis by
cyber criminals who are determined to steal their
intellectual property. As Attorney General Holder has
observed, there are two kinds of companies in America, those that
have been hacked. And those that don't know that they've been
hacked.
Now, not really, there's no other kind of company. That's
it. There's only two you either you're being hacked, or you
don't know that you've been hacked. Me being hacked at this
very minute know.
Many of the cyber attacks we are seeing are the work of foreign
governments, China, and other nations, now routinely steal
from American businesses don't sugarcoat the secrets to their
own companies.
Oh, that's pretty big fight and words,
their version of competition. And let's be clear, we do not do
the same to them. We are now going through a healthy debate
in America about the scope of government surveillance, but
there is no dispute about one thing. Our spy agencies do not
steal from foreign businesses to help American industry.
Okay, what is what is probably one of the best kept
intellectual property secrets of any corporation? I'm thinking
big, massive major corporations in the world. What what is one
of the best kept secrets that everyone would want to have, but
no one has been able to replicate
the formula for Coca Cola. There's a
reason why Coca Cola has kept its formula locked away in a
vault for decades. But in recent years, the methods used to steal
trade secrets have become more sophisticated.
Does he realise what he's saying? This is there's your
solution. If you have something so incredibly secret, like I
don't know the formula Coca Cola apparently it is possible to
protect this Yeah, you're lucky you lock it in the safe. Yeah,
if there's something you really want to protect and you really
don't want China to steal don't put it on a computer on the
internet.
That was the was the folder name tops.
secret formula don't look here. And so this whole concept he
just the whole concept is ludicrous.
To me, what are they up to? Oh, I mean, there's money Bonanza
money Bonanza yeah, there's a money Bonanza involved as the
owner the same time to damage the beast merch China
essentially our companies have given China all the secrets
because we turned our manufacturing over to them. So
here you like for example, I'm looking at the one of the
cameras I have the new Olympus, one of the new Olympus cameras
bottom and Olympus camera which has got all kinds of mechanisms
in it any of these cameras do canon Nikon and they got all
kinds of proprietary ways of doing stuff. And and used to
always say made in Japan and made in Tokyo even and now they
all say made in China. So they've essentially turned over
all their patents and everything to the Chinese manufacturer. And
it's generally only one or two companies that make all the
cameras they make them for everybody. Yeah, so they know
all the tricks that everyone uses. Yeah. So So what do we
got? What does that got to do with cybercrime? The Japanese
and Chinese they got it they're inundated with with good moving
material that they can use. They're prevented from a lot of
using a lot of it by international law. For example,
most zoom lenses for example have no they're all most of them
are all patented by the by the Japanese and you can't really
make a modern zoom lens without violating a patent and you will
be cited and fined and you will be driven out of business. If
you tried to steal one of these one of these mechanisms. It's
pretty much covered as bullcrap this this is a bullcrap argument
well
It's a big deal and a lot of money is going into it and a lot
of consultancies are jumping on board to. And let
me ask this question. Cyber criminals are attacking all
these companies daily.
As we speak, you're either being hacked or you've been hacked.
Why doesn't the Justice Department do something about
tracking the IP addresses and finding these guys? There was an
example after example of people who have been hacked. They, they
themselves track the guy who did it like some kid in Minnesota or
whatever, somebody hacked them or has been harassing him. They
turn it over to the FBI and the FBI does nothing.
Well, let's listen to our other friend, Michael Chertoff, who
was speaking at the same event as pistolet. I know it's pistol
by like St. Stoli man, here he is on the cyber threat. And of
course, we all know whenever someone says yes, cyber that
he's a dick, because he has no idea what he's talking about. If
you pay attention to what goes on at the Blackhat conference,
in Las Vegas, there have been presentations about for example,
the ability to hack into pacemakers or insulin pumps. So
this was very interesting. He's now taking the Blackhat
conference findings and turning this into fear mongering to sell
his services to the corporations who are represented in the
audience.
remotely, when those medical devices are connected wirelessly
to a monitoring station, they've demonstrated that your
automobile can be remotely interfered with, through some of
the, you know, GPS and OnStar capabilities that they build
into modern automobiles.
Okay. This is this is working out? Well. Yes,
this is going to become a more serious issue. As more and more
devices in the home, become linked up, quote, to smart
grids, whether it's your thermostat, or your smoke
detector, or your television, all of these things are going to
be things that can be remotely monitored, penetrated, and in
some cases compromised. How we think about the architecture,
and the trade offs involved in an Internet of Things is exactly
the kind of challenge I think that a an institution like this
would be looked at.
Well, here's an idea. I'm not going to get a connected
thermostat. I'm not I'm gonna keep my dumb TV Thank you very
much. This guy this guy can't be serious.
He's dead serious. There the Internet of Things, which is the
biggest crock of crap never to come down the road thank you is
going to be used to leverage companies like charge offs and
other consultants who are going to scare you to death because
this because your coffee pod can be accessed and somebody can
boil the water when you're not home. Or do whatever you know
make make coffee. Yeah, not they're trying to find a bunch
of stale coffee. The Chinese
are going to be brewing coffee through the internet.
What happened honey, my coffee, it's cold,
the Chinese are brewing it. Those bastards
there was a lot of things is only being implemented for one
reason and one reason only to spy on people. Well, I don't
think that's even the reason I think is to deliver advertising.
So when you go to your you know, your refrigerators got a big
screen, it's gonna have a touch screen because you wanted to I
don't know why you want to touch screen on the refrigerator, but
you'll have one and it'll be asking you to say hey, you know,
notice that there's a sale on milk over here at the Safeway.
You should go get some push a button and use a coupon to print
out on your computer upstairs. And that's what's going to
that's the real purpose is not to spy on you because I mean
yeah, you can monitor it in their home, but that's not
there's no money in that the money's in selling crap right
well, you chose one of my favourite examples in the
example that is always given of course is your refrigerator will
know that you're out of milk and it will automatically purchase
the milk for you. And some guy will deliver it to your home.
That was the promise that's been the promise for 30 years. I
first heard that in the late 80s Yeah, so it's
30 years close to 30 years that and I still see Cisco
commercials where the dad is shopping in the shopping cart
starts talking to him about picking up the milk
I have not seen in version yeah don't forget so so in other
words the shopping cart is gonna be a nag yeah generally speaking
when you go to the store to get milk that's what you get. Nag
No, you get the milk. I
mean, it's I guess, forgetting to do that. It's go pick up I
never got milk, I forgot.
Oh, we live in interesting times where people buy into this
stuff. And particularly corporations are spending
billions on these Jabra Ionis
as because he got money to burn.
Yeah, well, there's certainly Yeah, there you go. Anyway,
John, even at this early hour for you this late hour for me, I
would like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning
to you, John C. Dvorak.
Did the spreadsheet come in?
I sure did.
Oh, well, then I will say to you, Adam curry in Japan, where
you are in the morning to you. And in the morning, and all
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want to say hi to everybody listening in the chat room.
Yeah, I would say that as well. Except for some reason I can't
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it does some funky things. If you I made I put the spreadsheet
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Very slow. Okay,
well, that stinks. Yeah, well, I got this full screen mode thing.
This is a harkens back to to dos you know you had a full screen
because that's the way it worked. Right? And this was like
some new invention Oh, full screen apps. And then they I
thought it was a joke to be honest about it. That was an
April Fool's gag Who the hell is gonna go with what's full screen
who wants a full screen app you want to full screen you just
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I'm surprised you had those clips.
Well, I have the full studio here and everything is pretty
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you're using. Yes. Yeah. And the Mac, you had to do all that.
Yeah. Because they've adopted the full screen stupidity too,
right.
Yeah. This is what you get when you're when you're visionary
dies. Yeah.
So it's, I don't know why anyone couldn't just simply reject the
idea. Or you know, if it was a meeting like at Microsoft when
they came up with this idea, why didn't somebody say this is
stupid and idiotic? Why do we even pay you to work here? Yeah.
That's what Bill Gates would have said. Yes. Ryan Merritt
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Which, at the end of the show, I now have a one of our producers
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Right?
Yes, you're running to the desk. And I'm still trying to figure
out how I can reconfigure this full screen app. I don't think
anyone likes full screen apps. Do they? This makes no sense. To
me. It was really bad when you have a big screen because people
like big screens because they're cheap. Yeah. And the full screen
app on a big screen is horrible.
Can't really it's not really usable than the app. So that
so just Diane came in front with 300 bucks and she's has a
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donation my only wishes for a What difference does it make for
my husband and karma for our kids? Is with human resources in
the oven. Oh, he's got a bun in the oven as it were. So let's
give her that. Yeah.
If I knew that, what difference does it make?
It's gotta be under Hillary. Yeah, that's
what I thought that it would be under the would be under our I
don't know, the Benghazi. Yeah, I'm not trying that as well. And
it's what difference does it make? I'm sorry, I I have the
Hillary emperor. What is that? No, that's not it. I'm sorry.
I've you know,
I don't do a make good for her. Well, I
can do a delicious and then I have what is this?
Talking about? Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender? Have
no idea. I don't know those two delicious two.
I'm sorry. I don't maybe I don't have that one.
We played it.
Yeah. All right. Well, we'll look for it. I'm sorry. Well,
we'll have to do a make good for you.
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I got a good example of how everything works watching our T
I have a this I was watching this we probably have the most
important part clipped because as you'll see this was a report
on Palestinians and some good some bad guy getting screwed
over and then they had all these horrible pictures and they were
wrapping up this this thing they brought a special guy to talk
about the this something Well, if you play the clip you'll see
what the problem is with this particular report stopped the
settler and actually, you know sent him to the police and
charged him with trespassing you know no one can imagine as a
different you know the opposite situation ending in less than
arrest and presumably also the use of live ammunition against
this Palestinian
Saudis brother Adam.
Is this a signal? Are we seeing random blue stripes on the on
the YouTube video?
Over the Air and really
sounds like what's clearly digital?
Let it play us here. Okay.
All right, we know what that is
this is nice.
This is the coordinated monthly test of the Emergency Alert
System. If this had been an actual emergency, you would have
received timely emergency information. This concludes this
test of the Emergency Alert System.
Dr. T, Hebron, wow.
They listed that girl get her nit, you're thinking?
Well, of course, this is done.
It was a great report, you get to see a bunch of bloody stuff
going on. And
that, of course is done at the local level that's had nothing
to do with our T. That's the local level. That's your cable
station doing that's why it's so crappy. Your local cable
station,
it was was free speech TV as far as I know. I know whatever.
Alright, so the even though we were travelling, I was able to
watch the 17 minute video put together by Boko Haram, of the
so called abducted schoolgirls of which apparently, only four
had been identified by their parents. And when I was watching
this video,
and by the way, couldn't they round up a few more, they had
that group picture. And they had the not
everybody who was not everyone knew it was school picture day.
So they had 300 Girls supposedly captured, or 276 is really the
base number, even though it varies and they could only get
90 of them to show up for the photo. What were the other girls
doing? Well, I
was just looking at the app, the video itself? I was Did you see
the whole thing? You said the whole 17 minutes? Do you have a
chance to watch it? Oh, no, no, I didn't. It was kind of hard
because the original upload on Youtube has been removed by this
user. Okay. But I had to go hunt around and find find the full
length video because you can find lots of little bits and
pieces.
Why would somebody have it removed?
I hope well, for re editing apparently, this thing was
styled they had overlays they had there was a there was some
chroma key in there there was multiple canon guy
was against the brand new every time when I saw it, it was
against the greenback raw background, right? What's the
point of that and seeing it?
Well, the BBC, a BBC Radio someone sent me this report had
a forensic specialist on who works with the defence
department and the police. Specifically his his speciality
is video forensics of, of hostage situations. And he says,
and this is what the will you'll you'll hear in this a little bit
of the report. This is the most elaborate hostage video ever, in
the history of all hostage videos. That go figure that this
would come from a terrorist group in Africa. Hmm,
it was really interesting to see that these people were
reasonably professional, there was at least two cameras being
used. In fact, in one of the wide shots, we could see one of
the cameramen. They were using backdrops. I suspect that the
leader was recorded at a separate location. But it was
very obvious to me that a lot of preparation had gone into the
production of this video, we know it's been subjected to some
post production editing in a nonlinear suite because they've
superimposed a logo, etc. on it. And there are some cuts during
the actual recording. But I found it very interesting to
notice the amount of preparation within in advance. There's a
suggested conversion from Christian to Islam for these
young ladies. And they're all dressed in black and grey
clothing, as as you will have noticed. So all of this clothing
would have been prepared in advance. So that gives us an
indication of how organised this group of
people are. And when he put those things together, the
extent of the preparation, the sophisticated editing, I could
see that their cameraman seem to have improved from the last
video, what and the filming on two different locations. What
does that tell you about trying to locate the girls? Well, it's
got to
be very, very difficult. There's obviously a number of locations
involved. And it's interesting to note and know that families
of these young ladies have have only been able to identify four
of them. So far from the the 200 Plus that were taken the most
recent abduction. So it's very obviously a number of locations
are involved, it would be someplace pretty rural, the
forest area in the background, it was very, very interesting to
note that no buildings are visible of any note and it's
just trees in the background. There is some screening in the
background as well which is interesting to look at more
closely. In the screening to be seems to be possibly hiding
something in the background. So that needs to be looked at very,
very careful
banner, this is the second banner that doesn't have Boko
Haram kind of logo, if you will on it, but something
Yeah, absolutely.
So very interesting of this video, which was it wasn't like
it was out of focus. And I'll tell you, you can put my kid in
a headscarf and whatever you want, that parents have an
uncanny ability to pick out your kid from a crowd no matter
what's going on. It's it is a human recognition facility that
parents have. This is well documented. So for only for
parents to be able to find their their child in this group where
you could see a lot of faces is interesting. Then all of these
extra bits, multiple locations, multiple multiple cameras,
overlays green screen, not seeing the background, as we
know from one of our producers who has been in that area, isn't
it this is barren wasteland and lots and lots of where it's not
barren. There's lots of buildings, lots of things to see
not forest, no foliage. So the obvious thing that we need to do
as as United States, you know, of course when we have something
like this happen
overseas, a US military Global Hawk drone flew its first
surveillance mission over Nigeria today. In the search for
hundreds of kidnap school girls. This comes as the Nigerian
government said today it might negotiate with the terrorists.
This was an agonising day for relatives as they tried to
identify loved ones in a video released by the terrorists.
I got bad news for you. This drone is not doing any
surveillance drone, these kids
are going to drones somebody so therefore
I talked with the I laid out some of our ideas about the
Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation zipline guy. Yeah.
And about the the 49 point 6 billion and that they were
sending in accountants. They said oh, yeah, yeah, well, that
makes a lot of sense. Because yeah, we know about the the
issues with the with the money, they're in Nigeria so it's
becoming more apparent that the trickery put together in this
video is intended to be
another Nigerian scam letter. It's just a high end version.
Yeah.
Hi, I have 400 Nigerian princesses for you. And yeah,
and people may find that insensitive but I'm sorry
there's so much pointing to this being an elaborate not even it's
just a hoax
it's a scam that's what they do. That's their that's their
specialty. It's uh, you know that Nigeria, the Nigerian scam
letter writers is a huge part of the GDP of Nigeria I think
always up to it. Yeah, we talked about this before
this. Yeah, we have.
And this is just another scam.
Well, there was something else that
that I would like Jonathan. Oh,
I had an email about that. Hold on a second. Oh, I had an email
about names. Because of course I was ridiculing his name. Let's
see. Adam I'm South African. But where I'm from among the tribal
black culture names like there are names like beauty good luck
and even cell phone. These cell phone No, it'd be it would be
yes. Cell phone Johnny. quite common. I'm not joking. Normal
African names like C fo Lin Lindy and to me for instance are
still more common though. Again this is from my limited
experience but cell phone that's pretty cool. What should I call
him it's a boy Mrs. Walker which
column cell phone Walker fell for Walker
the this was kind of weird. I could pick this up on from
MSNBC. Now. This is this is weird and for two reasons. One,
the report is stupid to the host this stupid three the whole
thing is stupid. But once I went and got Look at the report.
There was something that that I picked up this is our friend
Ronan Sinatra,
shambling, mindless flesh eating monsters threatening to devour
each other alive. But enough about Congress. No, I'm talking
about. Well,
he's got this stuff. Right shouldn't even deliver
it now. God's newly revealed plan for the zombie. You cannot
be you know, I've watched the show. I've tried to get clips
from this show. I cannot watch this kid. He looks like he's 15
he reads like like an amateur. He can't communicate with
anybody that's on show. Why is he even on this show? Why did
they give him a show it all Mia Farrow's kid has got a show he's
making he must be making at least a million dollars. No,
no, no, I doubt that. I
bet he's, he's making good money on a show like this at all.
Because everything all the research said he will be great.
He does great Twitter. He's completely tied into the White
House of the State Department. I should say. He's incredibly
smart. It just doesn't translate. It happens. MTV used
to do this all the time, that hire people who look great on
paper, and then they'd show up and they would suck. Well, this
guy sucks. Yeah, so let him get into his little gag here
pocalypse. I repeat, the Pentagon has a zombie plan. Tips
elite opens with a disclaimer saying while it's not a joke, it
was for training purposes, but still zombie plan 31 pages of it
to be exact written in military speak, listing eight different
types of zombies to combat from pathogenic zombies like the ones
on The Walking Dead to evil magic zombies. I don't even know
what those are to space zombies, and even vegetarian zombies. You
know, like in Plants versus Zombies. Still, the Pentagon has
a zombie plan.
Well, there's two things wrong with him. And I'm gonna get
around to why I'm playing this at all. One the writing is is
atrocious. It is sad humour. It is VH one level humour that's
being written. And I'm sure it's someone who he feels comfortable
with. Yeah, no, but I really I feel really comfortable with,
with Joanne or whoever, you know, whoever is sitting with
him and going through this. And he really is not good at he's
not a prompter reader. He's getting through it. But it's a
skill, you know, and he can develop this over time. If they
hired the courier for a consulting group, I would turn
the gig down, but we could probably do it, we could
probably get a gig as possible.
And hopeless guy
and Mikkel Schatzi joins us from the Pentagon, which looks not
under attack by zombies. But everything all right.
Everything is fine here, Pentagon security is absolutely
impenetrable.
And now we probably continue with the joke. And as a matter
of fact,
it would be impossible for zombies
to actually
and the lights go out.
Zombie meme at least 12 months behind the times, maybe two
years, we had you had picked up the zombie thing like five years
ago. And then I thought it peaked? Well, this launches
zombie movies. Now why is this even being it's like old
material?
I glad you asked. So I pull up the report, which is from April
30 2011, which is when I think we first discussed this report.
No, I think we discussed the report, but we picked up on the
zombie meme earlier.
So yeah, oh, yeah. No. Well, we actually had a conversation I
said zombie and you said you thought was gonna be something
else? Doesn't matter.
Yeah, no, I did poopoo the zombie thing.
And this is from the headquarters United States
Strategic Command. Now, I think they're trying to cover
something up here. Because there is no reason to rehash this
zombie thing other than that someone found it in there's
something in here, which could potentially be embarrassing.
Now. What they will explain this report and I refuse to play any
more of it is that this zombie apocalypse plan was a real plan
done as a simulation. And I'm going to read the disclaimer
that they that they're only reading one little part of it,
and this is Complan 8888. This plan was not actually designed
as a joke, and this is from the actual document during the
summer of 2009 2010. While training Augmentee is from a
local training squadron about the GOP members of us STRATCOM
component found out by accident it says that the hyperbole
involved in writing a zombie survival plan actually provided
a very useful and effective training tool. Now that's where
everyone stops reading but it this disclaimer continues for a
whole nother paragraph. planners who attended JP me too at the
joint combined warfare school also realised that training
examples for plans must accommodate the political
fallout that occurs if the General public mistakenly
believes a fictional training scenario scenario is actually a
real plan. And this makes some sense if you are doing a
training exercise, and it's very believable that it can confuse
people. Rather than risk such an outcome by teaching our augmente
is using the Tunisia or Nigeria scenarios, we elected to use a
completely impossible scenario that can never be mistaken as a
real plan. Hello, since when? Since when do we have Tunisia
and Nigeria scenarios?
Well, that's a catch
that, and that is what I like, wow. Well, the Tunisia scenario
hasn't played out yet. But maybe the Nigeria scenario is in play.
So I have, um, I have the document. And it's been very
comprehensive. But I'm looking for similarities now. between
what is in the plan? And what is happening in Nigeria?
Well, we had a scenario play out in Tunisia, was it post? Or pre?
What was the date on the Tunisian revolution, which began
Arabs? That
was Arab Spring? That was 2011 2011.
So it'd be right at the time of that memo.
But the memo does not specify this. No, I'm sorry. This is
2009. What they're saying is, it's 2009 2010. See what it was
designed to? Oh, no, no, it was. It was designed in 2009 2010. So
played out in 2011. There you go.
Yeah, so the Tunisian thing did play out. Yep. But we don't
know, do we have a document that shows what the scenario was?
It's, if I put it in the show notes, people are gonna have to
help. There's so many. It's a lot of high level jargon.
There's a lot of you know, this very obvious stuff, which I of
course, completely understand. But there's a lot of real
operational stuff in here. But I just found it regardless. If
you're training and you're training for Tunisia and
Nigeria, in this, there's a lot of other things you could be
training for. Yeah,
yeah. Some coincidence.
And then for for this old joke to be pulled out again.
Well, I'm not sure that I don't know if you're ready. The
analysis of the old joke being pulled out again, is to distract
people from what they've already given up on on on paying
attention to this memo.
Maybe maybe someone found something or I don't know.
I mean, somebody slipped it into the thing to get people to look
at it again. We
know we know that. Nigeria is in play.
Weird while you're on the topic of MSNBC, one of the things that
people notice and I always like to look at what are the average
what kind of person watches MSNBC you can usually figure out
the viewer by looking at the advertisement what kind of
person pretty much always Yeah, yes, almost always because of
their target especially these little networks are targeted
like a lot of pill commercials on the CBS news is all of a unit
for drugs for depression. Lot of depressed people watch the
network news. Yeah. What do you kind of what kind of person do
you think watches MSNBC? Hi. I didn't read it
seems to be something wrong with your MSNBC commercial clip. It's
zero bytes.
MSNBC commercial zero byte Yeah,
let me let me check in the original email. Let me see what
went wrong here.
So did the FUBAR boy because that would have it
that's where I got everything from continuing while I'm while
I'm working on this.
Anyway, so you have to try to figure out you can you can
reverse engineer the the viewer of the network's by listening to
the commercials on those networks and then sometimes you
just kind of humiliating because you look you're watching the
show and the next thing you know they got one of those little
mopeds or those little rides right yeah.
Or that's you or reverse home mortgage reversal
All right, I got the clip play. Yeah, now you can touch you can
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Yeah. I never heard of this product before. But MSNBC
viewers apparently are constipated. Yeah, the black
poop, and blue and black goo. And they're all They're all like
Chris Matthews. Apparently, I got this Chris Matthews clip.
The way he was with Obama. You know, I've always felt the thing
on my leg is just that guy. So now he's he's all in with
Hillary. Oh, okay. Right. He's in love with Hillary so I can
play this.
Oh, hold on a second.
All in love with Hillary. Is this another one? This is weird.
There's something strange happened. It's probably my
fault. Sorry about this.
You just downloaded titles?
Well, the titles look good enough. Like, Yeah, screw it.
We'll just do some typing
to make these titles a little more easy for you to chew up.
Yeah. This is I don't know, this is clearly something that went
wrong in the in the overall download.
If that is going to stick, there are substantive issues where we
can have a broad discussion about her leadership and her
capabilities to be president. I think that's all legitimate. The
health question is a legitimate concern. But that will be
addressed when she releases her health records. And as I said
before, Chris, if there's no there, there, let's move on and
have that debate about the future of the country. So
let's talk about guts here, by the way, and you know, Karl
Rove's guts compared to her guts, okay, she goes up in New
York. I never give her enough credit for this. But more I
think about how tricky it is. She went up to New York to run
for United States senator the state she really never lifted.
She could have she could have been pounded up there. She could
have you don't know, nobody knows the vagaries of the voter,
or the strange things that happen in an election. She could
have been humiliated. But she said, No, I'm going to put my
head out there and the ringer, I'm going to take that what
comes to me, I'm going to do something on my own. Not just
because I'm first lady, I'm going to do it on my own. I
gotta prove myself, right. And she did it dammit. And she never
do anything like that. He was always hiding behind his W.
These are a hide behind a candidate and to be the
candidate. I'll tell you, I'll tell you,
right. This is because Karl Rove apparently said that she might
have brain damage.
Yeah, there's some gossip going around. This became a big news
item all over the place. Because when Hillary conked herself out,
as we recall was
about a year ago. Yeah. You mean when she got her facelift, which
we believe was a facelift involved, or eye lift or
something that needed to get her out of the public eye? Now, the
claim is that she conked herself out and she was down for six
months recovering.
This is ridiculous. But we do have this
we do have this clip. And I did take the takeaway get the Chris
Matthews takeaway from that long clip that I think would be a
good evergreen.
I'm gonna prove myself right. And she did a damage and she did
it.
She did it dammit. Yes. Well,
I think that beggar, by the way, is what you call that type of
person? Well, the narrative
has has, has really changed in an interesting way. There was no
doubt that after the initial review panel or whatever it's
called that we know for sure, and everyone has copped to this.
That what happened in Benghazi with Ambassador Stevens that it
was one thing we all know for sure. It was it was not caused
by the Innocence of Muslims video on YouTube. That everyone
agreed on this unilaterally. Am I crazy? I
think Benghazi Benghazi.
I mean, every everyone said this right? And was like, Okay, well,
but he said the video was bullcrap. And watch the video
and it wasn't causing any problems anywhere, right?
Except to Eleanor Clift. Eleanor who was my my friend from the
McLaughlin group group. As you know, she is the one that likes
to say that he's a constitutional more Yeah. About
her president. And Benghazi came up here.
What is going what happened? The organisation has investigated
this to death. This animates the right wing of the Republican
Party and I would like to point out that Ambassador Stevens was
not murdered. He died of smoke inhalation in the safe room in
combat.
that I think that is no I think I've heard a drastically
different story now people are also in the know about that so I
don't think I don't think it was Turkey oh no he was murdered
opportunistic terrorist attack that opportunistic was rollout
of that video the video where he was the video where there were
demonstrations across the GFI there was no video delighted to
it at all. Opportunistic and it's still a CIA and if you're
going to put people on trial we should put David Petraeus on
trial bring Hillary Clinton testified
there you go that's what it's all about. So she is so either
dense or dumb or out of out of the out of the loop that
she This is the common kind of weirdness that's going on where
people were some meme is created the bull crap, like like our
friend, or for 2033 friend Spencer says, The bull crap meme
that's created somewhere by the State Department or whoever and
it stays in play. I have a clip.
I have a follow on to this. Okay. Because it's one thing for
Eleanor Clift to to somehow get some memo and say, Oh, no, we
know that he died of smoke inhalation which we know he died
in a horrific way. Yeah, with you know, raped with broom
handles and all kinds of horrible things happened. This
is this is real fact. Not smoke inhalation the CIO. And by the
way, could she say CIA one more time to make sure that David
Petraeus and everyone but Hillary is implicated in this.
And I think we should reiterate our theory that this was a
botched operation. It was meant to be an October surprise. And
the idea was to and we believe the ambassador was in on it. He
was meant to be kidnapped. And the positive kidnapping it was
botched kidnapping attempt. Yeah. For an October surprise
event,
the alleged prom was there were simultaneous operations going
cross?
Yes. And were in that regard. The CIA probably is responsible
because they were running their guns which are being run up to
Libya. I'm sorry, from Libya to Syria. And that's where things
crossed. So for Eleanor to say this who's all in with Hillary
and this is an Obama bot and just a nut job. She was kind of
cute back in the day though. I saw her press photo. She man's
got a little harsh there
shows you that anyone can be fooled as right a young age but
built base. But when
Bill Maher started saying the same thing, then you know that
there's a memo that went out.
Oh, you got
it. This is like a bad case of the shingles. I I thought it was
gone. And it came back. And I mentioned again. I mean,
somehow, the roof doesn't matter how many times they turn that a
bullet always comes up. Benghazi,
by the way on this show, they've got Berra tune day, isn't it as
isn't on twit from time to time, this guy,
Barrett tune day? Yeah. What's he doing on there?
He Well, he's a comedian, I believe I know. But he's pretty
good, although he's an Obama bot.
And worse such tests for America because like sane people, I
think, look at it and see nothing. And they see it and see
the greatest crime in the history of men, about 44% of
Republicans and false think Benghazi is the worst scandal in
American history. I think it's not a scandal. And I can tell
why. Because in 2012, the scandal was about Obama because
he was running. And now somehow the scandals about a Hillary is
about to run.
That might be from Republicans point of view. But
this is very interesting. That that more of now, of course,
Maher would do this because he is a huge contributor to the
Democratic Party.
You gave a million bucks to the party or to the
super PAC that guess helps out the party. But I didn't Well,
anyway, let's lit and now this the guy from Reason magazine or
something, whatever it is Republic, I don't know what
right. Would they got token right wing guy from
my point of view, there is a scandal here just because John
Boehner thinks that the scandal doesn't mean that it's not he's
talking about it is it is this. The administration, the White
House and the State Department could have said on September
11 12 1314 Hey, look, fog of war. Terrible thing happened. We
don't know really what happened? Give us a few days. They didn't.
Instead, they said at the moment, we condemn religious
incitement. They blamed a video by a Cerritos nutbag for this
and that's what it was. That's not what
this is Bill Maher saying that's what it was what it was,
you burned a Qur'an right now, if you had the courage of your
convictions to burn a Qur'an on this desk right now, would you
be guilty of inciting violence that happened somewhere else?
Right, so
there's three or four more minutes of this and but yeah, we
don't To hear we don't need to hear but they just want you to
hear that Bill Maher is like no, it was the video.
Wow, that's been so debunked. And why didn't the right wing
guy bring up the stand down orders? Oh, you're asking for
assistance? That's the scandal. Oh, no. Because the because it
actually brings up the real good cuz
none of that. None of that. Yeah, of course it would trace
back. This is all this theatre.
Yeah, well, that's TV. Well, I was more stunned by this,
actually, because this is at a high level, though. That's just
a bunch of low end losers. This is the French foreign minister,
reiterating what's already been deep now. If anything has been
debunked, it's it's it's the gas gassing of civilians by the
Syrian army that has been proven that the gas canisters weren't
there were kind of handmade. They were fired from to close,
because you couldn't get the gas to you know, remember the
gassing that took place a year ago? Yeah. And it was too close.
And so they so so there's been two or three studies, Seymour
Hersh came out with a long report showing that these were
the rebels firing on the cities to kill the Syrian soldiers. It
was them who set off the gas. Yeah, it's Seymour
Hersh is is not like to some hack. You know, he's award
winning investigative journalist and very well respected and has
been completely stifled with his take and stance on this
particular instance.
But most people have debunked the idea that the Syrian
government was gassing the Syrian people for their own
people for some unknown reason. And then there was a secondary
thing where some get people were aghast with chlorine, which they
don't even have a stockpile of. So that wasn't the government
either. But meanwhile, the French Foreign Minister decides
to backtrack on the whole thing and listen to him. And his
diplomacy falters, the war continues in Syria, and so does
the use of chemical weapons. That's according to the French
foreign minister, little half abuse currently in the United
States to meet his counterpart John Kerry. He says France has
reliable information that chemical agents were used by the
regime on 14 separate occasions since last October, though half
of us also expressing regret yesterday that the US didn't
strike Syria last year when the news first broke have a chemical
attack near Damascus
said that we can rewrite history. A few months ago, if
you recall events, there was a massive use of chemical weapons
I'm sure you know what it was it was it was ready to act.
However, that was not possible as the Americans and British
were not able to do so. Acting would have changed a lot of
things. Firstly, concerning Syria itself. And also in a
certain way, in the way Russians deal with a certain number of
questions, but we are not going to rewrite history.
So the French are shocked that this scheme is bullcrap scheme,
or we're gonna bomb them.
If you recall, ya know that we put,
oh, Obama pulled back at the last minute, after promising
there was a line we're going to red line, nobody can cross and
all the rest of it, he backed off because Congress wasn't
going to approve it. And he actually threw it to Congress
knowing they wouldn't approve it, right. And now the French
are all bent out of shape for some reason, which I'm assuming
has to do with either pipelines or oil. And what did what did
the French have to do with Syria. And now they're also
irked with with the Russians for kind of saving the day with
their idea to, to, you know, pick up all the gas canisters
and ship them off somewhere. I just found that to be very
peculiar rewriting history, which says you can't do what she
did. Very strange, very much like the lesser one with Bill
Maher and the bony video,
but the French. The French guys said some other weird things. I
don't know if you caught this. regarding climate change, which
he coins, something different. And he puts a timeline on it
very important issues, issue of climate change, climate chaos,
and we have said that you had 500 days to avoid your gun and
cows and I know that President Obama and John Kerry himself
committed on this subject, and I'm sure that there was a lot of
other friends we should be able to reach success in this very
important matter.
So 500 days to avoid climate chaos. So I like climate chaos.
I like climate chaos to think that's very good, but
we have 500 days only, which was so what is that? That's three
that's a year and a half. 500 days. Yeah. So where does that
put us does that does that put Kerry out of office that put
Obama out of office I thought he had two years it?
Well he gets going to be Is it a European thing? Who
has 500 days left? That's the question Who or what is the 500?
Is that the EU Parliament maybe?
Well, they're having elections shortly, but I don't know what
happens in 500 days.
Well, someone out there who's listening will be worried about
this guy.
Talking about climate chaos. I've heard some extreme examples
of horrible things that can happen. You have to listen to
KTVU and what they say. Okay.
And alarming government report will be formally released this
week says extreme weather events may become more common. No
National Climate Assessment concluded the global climate
change is real and already happening happening human
activity, most notably the burning of fossil fuels with
humans, temperatures to rise, rising, emissions are not
reduced. Experts believe temperatures could rise by as
much as 10 to 2100 degrees in California drought conditions
could worsen leading to more wildfires. I'm sorry, water
resources
becoming more scarce. 2100 degrees a
yes. Just above
the boiling point of aluminium.
Well, yeah, we'd be dying then for sure. There was a different
report, which NASA
by the way, this is the station that gave you some thing wrong.
Yeah, we too low. Yeah,
exactly.
Boom, crash out. Oh, there was a report a new report, which NASA
participated in and was touted as a NASA report, although NASA
has backtracked immediately saying, Whoa, whoa, whoa, you
know, we we had one guy like an intern working on it. And we,
you know, it wasn't really, you know, it wasn't sanctioned. And
then this is regarding the Antarctic ice sheet, which is
melting. But it's not just melt. There was
a startling new report today issued about the state of the
huge Antarctic ice sheet. According to scientists
monitoring the area, the ice is now melting in a way that is
unstoppable,
unstoppable, unstoppable. I tell you,
Science and Technology correspondent Jacob Ward joins
us from San Francisco with her right report scientists at NASA
and UC Irvine and JPL what
UC Irvine and NASA. It's a very serious report. This is the real
deal
this particular ice sheet and explain why it's so important.
Well, David, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is a massive
collection of glaciers and other ice formations. And the
particular section that this report deals with is 255 square
miles, that's about twice the size of Philadelphia. The reason
it's so important is that inside that object is enough water if
it were to all melt to raise global sea levels by four feet.
And as you mentioned, this report has basically shown that
that this is melting far faster, and in a pretty unstoppable way.
There's really no turning it back.
So Janka no turning back why that is so bad. And what's the
timeframe that the scientists are talking about? All right,
so this report, of course, is extremely frightening. And
there's no turning back four feet of water, we will all be be
drowning what the timeframe is, of course, what is always,
always the most frightening.
Well, the reason it is so bad is that with a sort of an
unstoppable flow like this, it's really just a matter of physics
holding it back, the whole thing basically sits on a in a big
sort of depression bowl. And so it's just slowly falling water
and ocean of water is getting between it and the rock that it
sits on. So there's just nothing to stop it. It's really the
greatest fear scientists have for a rapid sea level rise now,
in sort of glacial terms rapid in this case means between
205 100 years from now.
205 100 years from now, give or take 300 years. This this is so
Michael Crighton state of fear. And I am telling you some
douchebag crazy f is going to dynamite some big piece of ice
somewhere just to prove a point. I can feel it. I whenever I hear
these reports, that's all that comes into my mind.
Well, we're since we're on this topic. You know, everybody's
complicit in this. I mean that news media is the worst. I mean,
besides the 2100 degree increase in temperature, which he can't
stop himself from saying even though it's on the prompter, and
it actually meant by the year 2021 200. Yeah. So Marco Rubio
was talking to the national press corps at the National
Press Club in Washington DC. And he's talking about his speech
was about future retirement systems of Social Security and
what we're going to do about it and all the rest of that's what
he says it was a policy speech. So the question is start to come
in after his talks and that's, I would like to play three this
went on for a while, but I'm going to play three of the
questions start with Rubio's zero. And remember that he was
talking about retirement.
Earlier this week, you rejected scientists assertions, that
human activity is causing climate change, and that actions
taken to curtail such activity will destroy our economy. How
would you propose that the country whether any dramatic
shifts in climate and the impacts such such shifts could
have and quality of life?
Okay, now he I do have his answer, which is a minute we
don't have to play it doing a skip it, but I keeping this
answer around because this will be the Litany answer by the
Republicans who are against the some of this climate change
hysteria. So So he's talking about retirement. So they asked
him that course. That's what the press corps does. He add it
gives a long answer. That's very adequate, saying he climate is
changing all the time, and blah, blah, blah. So okay, fine.
Question number two, Rubio two,
what information reports, studies or otherwise, are you
relying on to inform and reach your conclusion that human
activity is not to blame for climate change? Okay. Well,
yeah, I mean, I have very good question.
Okay, so he's there to talk about retirement systems. So
they asked him the same question twice in a row. And she answers
by the way, again, with another one long minute. So okay, this.
here's question number three.
The US Geological Survey has warned that sea levels could
rise by two feet by 2060 imperilling Florida's coastline,
how should the United States prepare itself and its citizens
to deal with rising sea levels and the catastrophic flooding
that is likely to follow by retiring I pointed out
it's like, this is there's a huge preoccupation. This is,
this is like a hysteria. This is mass hysteria. I've never seen
anything like it, especially with the news media. You got to
narrate the guy up there. He's got a million questions he could
pull from the pile, but every question seems to be about
climate change. Right. Well, that will that that is find the
whole thing to
be that that is how that is before the you know, we have
elections in Gitmo nation proper, and we have to go after
the Republican Party and make them look like crazy religious
nut jobs. So you know, you you attack them on, ugh, you know, I
pretty convinced that most people are in on climate change.
I don't think that they are in on the dire consequences that
are being fed to them. And that's, that's because of the
overkill probably. And and you know, and then it's way too dark
to 200, maybe 500 years. That no, that doesn't scare me.
I can't predict tomorrow's weather. This seems highly
unlikely.
Oh, we don't have to rehash that debate. But this is this is all
politicised. It's all politicised. That's the only
reason for it. I before we go to our break, John, today is a
pretty important day. Although not really, as the FCC has
released their rulemaking, seeking public comment on how to
best protect and promote and quote open Internet. This is the
new mean, by the way, we went from net neutrality to open
Internet, which, what does that mean, open Internet? This is
complete. This is a complete change in narrative. And there's
a couple of things going on. As you know, this is this is one of
my my main pet peeves. And I had a conversation again this
evening at the opening with people who are well intended,
you know, this girl member of the Pirate Party, you know,
she's a, she's very active politically. And, and I said,
you know, and somehow it came down to net neutrality, or
though we're talking about the show, and she says, You know,
I've heard a lot about your show, and I don't listen to it.
I said, Well, you know, you'll hear about net neutrality and
how we think it is the stupidest thing people are campaigning for
me, if you want to see someone's someone, just their jaw dropped
to the floor, when they when they're kind of all in on what
you're saying. But then you throw out you know, net
neutrality is the only thing that's going to achieve is
exactly what the broadband providers want. And that is
metered billing. They're like, what? No, no, this is to protect
the internet. And they can't explain what it is other than,
you know, outcome, the analogies of the fast lane and which is
just not a level that best leads not an appropriate technical
response. Now, there's a couple things I want to do. So first, I
have in front of me, the proposed rulemaking understand
that all of these groups all of these nonprofit groups, these
look Two groups who have $200,000 being given to them, a
lot of them indirectly through Open Society Institute, which is
Soros. And I'm not quite sure you know how he ties into it.
But they're all you know, asking for donations, and I'm getting
email after email, and we're doing great and the fight is on,
but the fight, you know, this 60 days comment period, then we
have another 60 days to come back. So it's four months before
we even get close to any final rulemaking. So we're all you
know, everyone's really early with all the yelling here. But
the main thing that it's coming down to is title two of the
Telecommunications Act, which was revised in 1996. And
specifically, section 706. And the idea is to turn if this is
what people think is the right thing to do is to have the
government come in, in the United States that is, and
regulate the internet, and make it so that the internet is a
telecommunication service, very much like the telephone. Now,
there's a couple of things that people are really the when it
comes down to the technological thinking about it, they are
very, very, very wrong, particularly when it being
discussed as a utility. Now, this is a there was a video
going around that I wanted to play a little piece from this is
from internet citizens, defend net neutrality. Now there's a
lot of these whenever it comes to explaining how this works,
someone puts a video together with a drawing a fast drawing
and stick figures and a voiceover and a lot of Yeah,
right. Understand, don't you think Crazy, right? But and it's
just wrong. The things that are being said are wrong, Hello,
internet, it was a Hello internet, when it starts like
that I cringe. I cringe when I hear this during
your internetting session. Perhaps watching this video with
lots of tabs open in the background full of interesting
things to check out the internet is amazing. And that's because
of the rules which govern how it works, and
what rules to already the talking about the rules that
govern how it works, that there is no governing in that regard.
So boring. This video is giving you the impression rules, there
are rules, there are rules and governance as to how the
internet works. No, no, go ahead, please.
I was going to interrupt because right now the open internet, if
you look it up, the FCC has a page on this. And but and by the
way, my thinking is a little different than yours about what
they're really after. In terms of turning into a
telecommunications regulation. Like the phone, I'm thinking
they're trying to regulate like television, because I know
they've been trying to do this with cable TV forever. The FCC
wants to regulate the internet, like they regulate television.
In my opinion. That's what the long the long game is. And let
me just play this because the little key word is in here. This
is the first paragraph of open Internet. If you go to
fcc.gov/open, internet, the open internet, quote unquote, as the
Internet as we know, it is open because it uses free publicly
available standards that anyone can access and build to. And it
treats all traffic that flows across the network in roughly
the same way. The principle of the open Internet is sometimes
referred to sometimes referred to as net neutrality. Well hold
on a second. So you're telling me that I can use my, my
Facebook Messenger to talk to my Yahoo Messenger. Really? Or
that? That's what
they're saying? Or no, I'm
just being devil's advocate, I'm saying or that Facebook is an
open system? No, not not unless you're registered. It's not
open, it's closed. It's quite the opposite.
Under this principle, and here's the here's the kicker, under
this principle of net neutrality or open area, whatever,
consumers can make their own choices about what applications
and service to use and are free to decide what lawful content
Yeah, access, create or
lawful cut. Well, we'll get to that because I'm on we agree on
the legality of it, but they specifically and I'm very
familiar with title two because I've had a lot of time during
today to read it. The next title in the act is about broadcasts
and but they're just not there yet. So long game you may be
right. You may be right. But I have and this I'll get to this
in a minute because I'm gonna get give you information
straight from the horse's mouth. But I really need to point out
the bogus activity of these cries for help. And and the so
many, I mean, I watched you on twit and um, you know, I know
you're staying away from you know, it's like talking to a
brick wall. So I understand why you're kind of backed off and
you still are getting a little huffy. You know, for the same
people who said we never should regulate the internet, but Oh,
please come in and regulate the internet for all the wrong
reasons, which is basically I want Netflix, that's the only
thing that is these people providing alternative content
they're complaining about Their Hollywood content it's pathetic
but listen to onic it's ironic and pathetic just listen to the
explanation because this is very typical of it when you when you
hear it like oh yeah fuck man we gotta get on this your protest
yeah turn my Twitter icon black man Slow down, slow down amazing
and that's because of the rules which govern how it works and
important one of which is net neutrality treating all data
equally okay so there is no rule anywhere that is net neutrality
and all data by no means is treated equally on networks.
Some
internet providers want to ditch this rule to insert themselves
bitwixe to you and your data as the most meddlesome middlemen in
human history. And
the word betwixt is just not okay when you're explaining some
that something to somebody is not okay to their benefit
and our detriment how well think of the internet as a series of
pipes really our ocean and continent spanning pipes through
which vast rivers
have not have trucks, not trucks. No, you don't get
access to those they're very expensive and you couldn't
handle it anyway,
the interesting Yes, it's very expensive and I guess who pays
for that just magic this expensive backbone,
but you do have a little pipe that connects to the big pipes
through which you can pull down and send out data you pay your
internet provider to maintain this pipe. That's not entirely
true. But okay, I'll let you slide on this rule means that
your rule cares not what flows through it can use discussion
forums, calls or games whatever you're doing, you're using the
whole pipe to do it and no website gets preference over
another everyone wants a faster internet but that requires more
metaphorical pipe in the ground the building of which is slow
and expensive. Now you may have heard your internet provider on
the news talking about how this rule prevents them from building
fast lanes for special kinds of data.
Now this is very interesting. Now they've turned this around
to say that the ISPs are on the news saying they want to build
fast lanes this is not true this is not this is not what the how
that how the news came to be the news was Netflix specifically
wanting specific type of access into the pipes and specific type
of performance on these networks. That's that was the
conversation that started at not no ISP said oh, we have to
remove net neutrality. You show me one ISP who has said we need
to get rid of this so called net neutrality, which is not a rule
does not exist as a written governance piece of legislation.
But this is how it's being portrayed and this is just
realise
they want you to think they're expanding your access to the
information superhighway but removing this rule also gives
them the power to speed bump the existing roads and charge more
to use the fast lane that was really just what you had before
okay,
that just right really put in speed bombs to charge you for
the fast lane which you had before. This at this road
analogy has got to anyone who's giving you this is does not know
what they're talking about power to
preference. Some data over others is the power to favour
one video site over another and to limit a tiny part of the pipe
for the video you're watching right
now. Now they're like cutting it out.
You know this condescending patronising style. Yeah, chat.
Yeah, is very much like MSNBC, this guy sounds like Chris
Hayes. Well, it's
probably saying this, they're probably the same people who are
behind it. And now they're giving you a buffering thing. So
and look again, what's happening here is you won't be able to get
the video you want. Really I've been what happened to the
production and upstream and sending things and sharing
information and know it they will determine what video you
can watch. And this is unfortunately what a lot of
people the majority people oh really can watch that video.
Oh, the
video will buffer well, that sucks now or
trying to. Anyway, we've been through this before constraining
other companies in similar ways. Take electricity, you pay for a
certain amount and when it arrives in your house, you can
do with it
what you wish. Okay. I love the electricity analogy. The certain
amount you pay is not a fixed amount per month. Okay? If you
leave the lights on your air conditioner running 24 hours.
You're you're saying okay, at the end of your sentence.
Thank you. Thank you. It's late.
Yeah, just mentioned.
Thank you. Thank you for calling.
The faculty. Dang, yeah, it's metered.
So it's metered. But that's not where they're going to give us
an example the electricity
company doesn't get to decide that rather than build more
power plants, it's going to dim your bulbs and then offer a
brighter bulbs monthly subscription. And you hear this
example they are
Chris What is this? You're playing?
It's one of these nonprofits man. Yeah, I got tonnes of these
so it should go
this has to be the worst of them. All right. Well, I'm gonna
stop this because now that I like keep blank. I'm fascinated
by this guy. Really? He's so arrogant, really? And he's
condescending, so condescending and patronising. He's, he's smug
in a weird way, and he's just trying to bullshit Yeah. Now I
also know that what you're seeing on screen is a lot of
stick figures being drawn. And this drawing
thing has got to go not to
be overly dramatic here, but preserving data equality may be
one of the most important issues in a generation a generation
because without this rule, internet providers could cripple
competitors they don't like I guess
some other things that might be important decisions like let me
think, let's not kill people anymore, particularly if they're
brown and live in sand. Let's not educate our children to be
slaves for Motorola and Dell and Microsoft. Let's not inject
things that did 24 to 30 shots before a child is one and a
half. Let's spread that out a little bit I got some other
important decisions to make here drawing douche
ever noticed the same company that sells you internet also
sells cable TV and landlines stuff the internet Wow. Really
replaces without data?
The whole lot stopped a thing I gotta write that down. I never
noticed that.
Have you ever noticed it?
Yeah, you're providing the pipe for competitors until they
either go out of business pay the metal some middleman or
both? It's like if one store in town super promised to pay for
fast roads everywhere as long as the town gave them absolute
power over all the roads forever. No backseat,
if you agree. No backseat to that. No,
that's easy said that. Yeah,
yeah. Okay, this is very hip. And he's drawing stuff. I agree.
And that you actually see no backseat
be surprised when you're later all the traffic to them is fast
and free. While the roads elsewhere are slow and
neglected. This town is basically the internet without
net neutrality, which some internet providers would love
but actual internet citizens not so much. All the data the same,
this one guy with a good idea and a bit of programming
knowledge makes something today that's seen by millions
tomorrow, but only because his data is treated equally with
everything else in those pipes. And all right. So
these these things would be better if at some point in the
middle of all these drawings, a big draw to dogs. Just right in
the middle of it. That's something
I'd watch. All right. Do you need to see you need to hear the
rest? It's a little bit now. No,
you're right. You're probably right. I
think we're done.
It is just getting annoying at this point.
Okay, so I believe that the people listen to no agenda do
not need to be patronised and do not need to have little drawings
and analogies of fast lanes and toll booths and speed bumps, and
broken condoms, whatever analogy you want to use. I think our
people can handle real information, and they will
actually understand it if it's explained to them. In terms that
are true. And not this this makes me mad. Okay. Firstly, let
me
before you say any more, you should maybe reiterate why, you
know, why is this even going on? Who invented the term net
neutrality is even backed off on what he you know, his original
thesis you brought that up and I'll show you his
his his his original thesis is that this needs to be a metered
service that is in his orig in Tim Woods original paper is yes,
you and although it is impossible from a tech
engineering technical perspective, to literally treat
every packet as equal, that that set aside. In his original
paper, the only way for true democratisation of how data
travels on a network and who gets to use what because it is
not an infinite resource is through metered service you use
more you pay more. That is what this is all about. Now, I read
to you the paragraph The FCC released today, the FCC proposes
to rely on a legal group blueprint set out by the United
States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This is
this is what started off there was a lawsuit. In his January
decision, Verizon versus FCC using FCC has authority to
promote broadband deployment to all Americans under Section 706
of the Telecommunications Act of 1960s 1996. At the same time,
the Commission will seriously consider using its authority
under the telecommunications regulation found in title two of
the Communications Act. So that would mean regulating Internet
access as a utility, like the telephone system, which also I'd
like to point out is a metered service. You talk more you pay
more, it's always been that way. In addition, the notice proposes
to retain the definitions and scope of the 2010 rules, which
govern broadband Internet access. as service providers,
but not services like Enterprise Services, internet traffic
exchange and specialised services, Enterprise Services
means for businesses they can have a different deal than
consumers. Internet traffic exchange very important because
that is the market of how the internet works that which a lot
of it is not the no money flows, it's peering from network to
network. This is what really makes the Internet work and
specialised services, which would be your Netflix inside
your network so that it works the way you want it at a price
that you paid that will be reasonable for you. The agency
proposes to enhance the existing transparency rule, which was
upheld upheld in the DC court, the proposed enhancements would
provide consumers edge providers and the commission with the
Taylor disclosures including information on the nature of
congestion that impacts consumers use of online services
and timely notice of new practices. So if they are going
to make a change, and this is the proposal based upon managing
their network, they will have to tell you why and who's to blame.
As part of the Revive no blocking rule proposes ensuring
that all who use the internet can enjoy robust, fast and
dynamic internet access. I understand everything in that
sentence except dynamic. I don't know what they mean by that.
Tentatively concludes the priority service offered
exclusively by broadband provider to an affiliate should
be considered illegal until proven otherwise. Let's read
that again. Priority service offered exclusively Oh, to a
affiliate should be considered illegal, illegal until proven
otherwise. So that is the NBC Comcast clause that you can't
provide some kind of priority to your own content. Ask how to
devise a rigorous multifactor screen to analyse whether any
conduct hurts consumers competition, free expression and
civic engagement and other criteria under a legal standard
termed commercial reasonableness, which is already
kind of in place. Ask a series of detailed questions about what
legal authority provides the most effective means of keeping
the Internet open. There's your open, broad statement, section
706, or title two. So which one will it be and proposes a
multifaceted process to promptly resolve and head off disputes,
including an ombuds person to act as a watchdog on behalf of
consumers and startups and small businesses? In other words, the
FCC is saying, Yeah, we think we should regulate this. And we
probably want to do it in a manner that is consistent with
and that depends whether it be 706, or title two, but it's kind
of the same thing. It will be consistent with some form of
utility, although, from what I'm reading, here, the proposal is
to keep it a little bit more open. Now, the CEO of Comcast
spoke to his investors, that now it's two days ago, and I have
the end was as streamed on a conference call. This happens
all the time. Public companies do this. And they, you know,
this is for investors to listen to, and they and in this case,
it was not the typical calling a q&a, like a, like a quarterly
report. But there was a q&a with an insider at Comcast asking the
CEO questions, then I have three clips from this. And I believe
that when our listeners hear these clips, they will not only
understand what the debate is really about, but they will
understand the technical portion of it. And they will understand
where it is headed, because it is laid out very clearly by the
guy who's on the other side of the debate, if you look at the
whole net neutrality issue. So here he is explaining about what
he is calling, I think it's appropriate term paid
prioritisation. That will be Netflix and title two. And what
that really entails. If we go for a title to regulation by the
FCC,
then you have this reaction of Oh, my God, he's authorising a
fast lane. That's the death of net neutrality. And therefore we
have to go to title two. I think there are a lot of logical, I
think there are a lot of synapses in that logical chain.
But I'm going to give you the biggest one. And Tom Wheeler
himself has written about it in a blog. Lots of people have
commented on it, which is, and this you know, I hope this isn't
headline news to everyone in this room. But there is nothing
in title two, that provides authority for saying that all
services have to be treated the same. In fact, the whole history
of title two has been that Telecom, I mean, that the
telecom carriers regulated or the title two are absolutely
allowed to provide different levels of service for different
amounts of money, taking about bells providing different level
of service to businesses, versus residences. And in fact, the
language of title two is that the differentiation and services
being provided has to be commercially reasonable.
Now, this is interesting. The one thing most people have
right, and I'm going to use Leo Laporte as an example, I think a
lot of our listeners have seen the his stance on this is that
Wheeler is an insider for the cable television Association,
who are a lot of the providers are cable companies. And he is
right that they are playing together and working together
towards a common goal. But he is incorrect in thinking this
comment. And this is I think it's purely political. I think
people that politicians love using it to get votes and
contributions. podcasters love saying this, and bloggers love
saying it to get to garner sympathy or something like this,
like, Oh, look at me, look at me, I'm all for net neutrality.
But it is not in anyone's interest to slow down your video
or slow down your website, these guys are doing one thing and one
thing only playing together because their dream has always
been to legally have a way to set your price and charge you
more if you go over a certain price point and have that
regulated by the government. This is what they want, they
really really want this because broadband and all types of
access for the internet have been going down. Because there
was there's real competition, certainly in the main market,
which is the peering and exchange market. And this is
this is a little bit longer clip. This I think will help
explain exactly what the different markets are and why
you are going to have to pay for what you use.
There are two different markets here. There is the last mile
market where we as an ISP deliver content to our customers
and charge customers for that content. And they access the
internet by going through the by going through Comcast is an ISP.
And there is what I would call a first mile market, which is the
way in which the internet at large, the internet edge
providers content providers get their content onto our network
to be able to be consumed by our consumers. The Open Internet
debate is about that first market, it's about the last mile
market, it's about treating, making sure that consumers have
an open and unfettered access to all the content on the internet,
that there's no blocking, there's no discrimination in the
way in which they get access to that to that content. The
interconnection market is a completely different market. And
it functions in a different way. It is a market that I would
argue is intensely competitive. I think the ISP market is
competitive. But the interconnection market is
intensely competitive. There are dozens of very large players in
that space, who are selling transit services. So much by the
competition is so intense in that market, that the pricing in
the interconnection market has dropped 99% In the last 15
years. So among the dozens of large players here, Comcast
alone has 40 companies with which we have settlement free
hearing. That is we don't pay them anything. They don't pay us
anything because our traffic is roughly imbalanced. And for and
there was a time when Netflix was using aka my level three,
very cogent, and their traffic was imbalanced with our traffic.
So there was no way in that model for us to collect anything
without completely disrupting the business model and structure
of the interconnection market, which I think would be a mistake
to do.
Now, before I could tell you is this clear? John, do you find
this clear what he is saying about the internet, this is my
old peering
situation where you have all these backbone providers and
there's a bunch of never heard of, I mean, the public hasn't
and they do deals. Yeah. And they do and they, they try to
balance the deal. So okay, we'll give you a better connection to
this because you you but you need to connection to me and
it's going to be you're going to use so much of what I have and
I'm going to use so much of what you have. And this is all of
course bypassing the big real internet main nodes which is may
east and Mae West and those sorts of things, which you
actually have to pay a lot of money to get on and you just
could do all the whole world is about bypassing so there's all
these these deals these
deals and when you have a movie which so what is the movie a
gigabyte? I'm just going to throw a number out there.
No wonder maybe four maybe four? No, actually the run HD could be
more he about that's actually about a gigabyte the way they do
it today. Yeah, so
gigabyte. I remember waiting an hour for one megabyte to
download or my 56k frame relay. Oh, maybe there was a 28 eight,
regardless. So what he's saying is there was a time when now
Netflix was, and they were using, they might have been
using Akamai, I think they were using cogent because he brings
that up. But any type of provider, you know, and these
guys are not cheap, it's very expensive to distribute that
kind of data through a company like Akamai to these edge
providers, and depending on which network you're going to
and, and which deals you have, you're going to find yourself
in, in different scenarios, different pricing. And so
obviously, as Netflix grows, it is just not an infinite
resource. Bandwidth, including the network of Comcast, pipes
become saturated routers become saturated, there is up there is
management necessary, there's upgrade of equipment necessary.
And these video services, Netflix being the one that has
really kicked all this off art, really using up a lot of
resources and somebody has to pay, what he's saying is, I
really don't want that to be the interconnect part, because that
will ruin the internet. And I have I happen to agree. So his
idea is bring that inside the network and give them some kind
of priority inside my network, if that's what people want. But
that is actually doing the opposite of ruining. And for
everyone else, it is making more room for the other traffic that
is within balance. We continue.
And I think that at Netflix, that when he calls for strong
net neutrality, I think he's definition of metal, he's
talking about Reed Hastings, I guess the Netflix CEO quality
of transport shouldn't have a charge associated, he is talking
about the interconnect connection, he would like he
would like free transit. Yeah, and I read, I have a huge amount
of respect for Reed Hastings, he's built an amazing business.
And I don't blame him for saying I'd like my transit to be free.
And he used to pay $700 million to the United States Postal
Service, taking $700 million cost on your business is a good
thing. But I point out, you know, I'd like set top boxes for
free. Imagine how much that would take out of our business
and how much you're getting lower cost, lower the pricing
for our customers, but somebody's got to pay for the
set top boxes. I mean, and and it's obviously we're the most
logical person to pay for the set top boxes, reads argument
that, that he should have free transit and it's a cogent
argument is well, and that there should be free transit is just a
cost shifting argument. That's a, that's an argument there is
cost for transit providers, content delivery networks, other
transit providers to connect to our network. And there's a cost
to that. And, and if Netflix doesn't bear its share of those
costs to connect to the network, then we have no choice but to
raise prices for everyone else. Even though Netflix is
responsible for a third of the traffic on the internet at peak
times. That means two thirds of the traffic is not Netflix. And,
you know, making a rough approximation here. Why should
two thirds of the people who never use Netflix, pay for the
cost for Netflix to attach to our network? It doesn't make any
sense.
This, to me is a very compelling argument. And is he is saying
exactly the opposite of people who are calling the ISPs the
evil devil. He's saying, you know, Netflix is ruining the
experience for everyone else. We don't want to start charging
people at the edge, the opposite of what everyone thinks is
happening. We want to bring them inside the network and help them
but yeah, it's a cost somewhere. And it's probably going to be
cheaper if they come inside the network. But you're going to
raise prices across the board. And here is the the Comcast the
largest ISP in United States, here's their what he is
proposing will happen over the next five years. And I'm here to
report it is it is a version of metered internet. It will be
much more friendly than your telephone, or your electricity
bill.
We have a series of pilots, we've got three or four
different structure of pilots. When we started, we had two
basic models, which is one is depending on the tier of service
you bought, that's how much capacity we would give you in a
month. So you'd get whatever 250 gig and I don't remember these
numbers were right at 15 at our at our 15 meg down service and
350 50 Meg and 550 at 100, Meg and whatever. And then we had a
model where everybody got 300 or 350. And you could buy extra
packages of 10 meg each as you went through them for $10. And
tentatively, we're not there yet. It seems like the second
model is preferable to consumers, then the first model
first model didn't really understand there's a little
confusing to them. Seems like the second model is preferable
to that in our pilot markets, more than 90 8% of our customers
are not affected by this. So you're you're talking about
something less than 2% of the customers being affected by
these pilots, I would predict that in five years, Comcast at
least would have a usage based billing model rolled out across
its footprint,
usage based billing model. And here's a CEO of a publicly
listed company, who is predicting something, which
means he's really sure of his case, these guys don't just this
forward looking statements, you don't just do this stuff before
shareholders unless you're very sure of where you're headed, and
what's going to happen, here's the pricing.
But I would also predict that the vast majority of our
customers would never be caught in the in the in the buying the
additional buckets of usage that will that will always want to
set the basic level of usage at a sufficiently high level that
the vast majority of our customers are not implicated by
the usage based billing plan. And that number may be 350. That
might be 350 Gig a month. Today, it might be 500 Gig a month in
five years. But we'll all that. But it will never, I don't think
we will want to be in a model where it is fully variable eyes.
And you know, 80% of our customers are implicated by
usage based billing and are all buying different packets of
usage. I don't, I don't think that's the model that we are
heading towards.
But it is usage based billing. And that's exactly what he
wants.
Well, I think what he really would like, Well, yeah, because
there's kind of a interesting trick here, essentially, it's a
high minimum that you pay for it, you actually pay, you're
paying for stuff you don't use. In that case, you're paying for
stuff you don't use, which is great. And then if you go over,
you have to pay more, which is exactly what these guys like. I
mean, this is the cell phone model, they love this model,
which is
yeah, it's and this is what you get when you get regulation.
And that's what's going to happen, which I've always said
is going to happen. I've actually advocated it myself,
because it's the only thing that makes any sense. But there's an
interesting thing here about Netflix, which I thought was
unique, which is Netflix did this deal, because it's people
are getting a questionable experience. And so they had to
up the ante by doing this peering agreement with Comcast,
which is interesting, because Reed Hastings, if you look it
up, is just bitching and moaning about the you know, he's a big
promoter of net neutrality. This whole thing is almost like a
scheme dreamed up by Netflix. Yeah, to get a better deal
better or more throughput without having to pay for it?
Yeah. Oh, you know, the customer is going to have to pay for net
neutrality so we can get our movies through. Yeah, that's
exactly what it is it the whole thing. Everybody's playing with
your theory isn't i I'm more or less into this, this idea, even
though I have this more onerous concept.
And that may come that may come
theory is that these guys are playing into the hands of
Netflix. Not anybody else. You're not gonna get any better.
YouTube,
you're gonna get better Netflix, you're gonna get a guaranteed
good Netflix.
And, but and you're gonna pay for it.
Yeah, yeah. And it's going to be set by law. And it's going to be
set by law. And it's all about Netflix. If people would say,
Oh, wow, I really want to have better YouTube. Not another
screw YouTube
better, but I want to get better. blogspot. Yeah.
Well, not even that Blogspot is also owned by some not also
Google product. Yeah, let's face it, how many really into and how
many really independent companies are there? I'll tell
you, twit is one. And I think if anything, and I'm all for the
little guy I'm all for Leo. I want him to succeed. I enjoy
watching his success. But his bandwidth comes from CacheFly.
And you watch there's going to be problems because of net
neutrality. It's going to it's good people and customers are
going to pay more and be paid more but usage base and is going
to be set in law it's going to be statutory and
congratulations.
Well, an operation like Leo's which chews up a lot of banding
because they're doing video on show and they do they have way
too many shows are always experimented and keep too many
shows on the air I think and their video, a lot of video
fees, which is high bandwidth and they're all high def they're
nice. Feeds are great. But there's too much of it and he's
gonna either have to cut back on his programming or whatever or
it had to pay more which I think he can afford to be honest about
it. But it's it's gonna it hurts. I think a lot of these
these networks have pockets like us, for example. We have a
podcast. Yes. It's like we're never going to approach the, the
limits at all. Because it's one operates one show and there's no
video. It's actually we don't use much bandwidth doing this
show no.
At all. It also do, we don't have to stream it is no reason
for streaming.
Right? Although you'd like to stream. Yeah,
of course, I like it. But there's no, there's no reason
for it. I mean, stream
th unplugged,
I mean, more that you don't. So if you want to watch a Netflix
movie, if you're not streaming it, you'd have to wait for it to
download. And that would be a bad experience, because oh, man,
I gotta wait, you know, an hour for this whole movie to
download. And then I can watch it. So that's why people want it
streaming. So you can kick it off and kind of an on demand
experience. Right now with us, you might have to wait two
minutes.
And by the way, slow connection. And by
the way, a lot of people have said, Man, you know, it took so
long for to download, it took five minutes. That's because we
sometimes we have different peering agreements run through
different routes to keep cost down on our provider side, which
by the way, is kindly provided for, by by the frown net guys.
You know, and we, we, we actually pay, we actually pay
for it. You know, there's a lot of a lot of management that goes
on. And it's not free, you know, these, it's not like they just
have a server somewhere and have unlimited bandwidth No, in and
if you want any kind of experience, they have all kinds
of agreements and routes that they take through different
ISPs. And they can change that based upon demand and based upon
billing cycles, and, and you watch the 95 Five, everyone's
gonna be on some version of 95. Five. And if you want to know
what that is, look it up. Even I don't really understand how it
works, you always get screwed when you go over 95% for bursts
or whatever. But anyway, the bottom line is do not accept
Fast Lane speed bump, toll road analogies, you this is all your
right is all Netflix and just not wanting to pay up, you are
going to be paying and you are going to be paying more if you
want Netflix, if you watch a lot of it, you're going to be paying
more than you pay now. And the difference is you will not only
do not have the competition in most most cases, you now will
not be able to bitch and moan because it will be set in law
and the government will regulate it. That's what that's what
you're voting for when you yell net neutrality and change your
icon to black and talk about slowing down the net. And
hahaha. That's the bottom line. And I hope that it's clear now.
No.
You're nuts. Yeah, I
guess I mean, this is really interesting to listen to this
long spiel, because it was pretty, you know, you had a lot
of details you have your theories are all they all make
sense? Then you have the quotes the quotes from the Comcast guy,
which is the guy who would know, and all the rest of it. And it's
now now this is just a complete waste of your time. No offence?
No, I know, I know. Well, we have to provide this public
service.
We have I've been on the show, like you said, I've been on
radio show twice where this came up. And I could bring it in. I
drew the metre thing at him the last time I said, well, because
I had argued with Leo two years ago about metering the internet.
I said it's a foregone conclusion, it's like gonna be
like water, you use water, you know, what is everywhere, the
water is everywhere. And but you turn on the faucet in your
house, and you got to pay for it. And that's the way the
internet will has to go. There's no two ways about it. I mean,
they're essentially that way now and they're gouging. Yeah,
but it's a lack of technical knowledge of how the Internet
actually works. When people say they're double dipping, and this
is this is it's two completely different markets, taking place
EEO and
and a lot of these guys, they they think that they're going to
have they think they're going to get it, it's targeting them to
gouge them. Yeah. Well,
well, is it probably it may happen. Yeah. You know, and
sorry.
But if you've been getting a you know, essentially, you're using
a distribution mechanism that for all practical purposes, is
free. Although it's not free, we pay to have our content
distributed because it has to be done by some professional group.
It can't be just on my server.
And it's also it has to go it's a lot of bandwidth. When you
look at how many people download the show, and that bandwidth has
to be paid for it is not free. It is not just you can hook up
the pipe and you're good to go. This is the part that people do
Leo hasn't really had to deal with bandwidth because he gets
from cash fly through some old AOL deal or whatever it is, in
one day, someone's gonna wake up and he's gonna say, you know,
and that's what he's afraid of. I understand. Yeah, you know,
you're pushing a lot of bits here and your interconnect is
getting pretty weird. We're out of whack, we're gonna have to
start buying transit. And
another example of this sort of thing is of your right eye, this
happened to me a couple of times, you're a writer, you do a
deal with some magazine, and you get paid way too much, it's way
over the top. Because there's a moment in time you catch the
guys when they have to pay to get Yeah, or whatever. And this
is that all deals are like this. And then somewhere down the line
when you're not needed anymore. And the bookkeeper comes in and
says, What is this guy's done? And you're done. Right? And this
is Leo has been coasting on that CacheFly thing. I have
a version of this right now. You know, the, the company in LA is
in you know, they're, they're tightening their belt and
they're, you know, looking for something to happen and stuff
going on. And, you know, all of a sudden, it's like, well, you
know, the cell phone. Yeah, no, you you're not going to pay for
that anyway. Yeah. Have you heard of Cobra you know, these
things happen. It's life. You provide value, you know, things
go the way you want. They don't go. It's You're right. It's like
the writer thing is like everything. Somebody has to pay
somewhere.
Yeah. And then when the bean counters come in, that's what
they do. They don't care. Alright, speaking. So Leo has a
because when I'm I always sit next to him narrow it down on
that show. And he really has a look
of disdain disgust and me,
you know, he has a look up beer. Yeah, he does. Yeah, it's a very
slight look of this is not good. He knows is going to eat into
his bottom line. He's got Lisa who's really running the show.
And she's, you know, not a spendthrift. And she said, Look,
we can't we were gonna just one last vacation. One thing we can
do now to sell
the Audi one we're going to do is sell the Audi. Yeah, and I'm
not going to bust you on the not getting not wanting to get into
the podcast patent thing. You backed out of that?
Oh, well, no, actually, that's interesting. You should bring
that up because we have to talk about that now. Not on this
show. I don't want to talk about it. We'll talk about it. I
talked to Lisa about you always told me to go in there and find
what the hell's going on. Yeah. And that they're not supposed to
talk about it. So what their lawyer said don't talk about
this you know, just just not talk about it. There's more
details for selling you know, we can talk about later it's gotten
it's I don't want to you know, I understand how it gets business
or anything. Nobody said that to me and then Leo brings it up I
just said we're not talking about Okay. Oh, just I was just
working for the company.
Oh all right. No, because because the chaton was like it
curries a dick. He's against the podcast troll?
Which of course I was working I was all in operation when I did
that. It was like you were told
by Lisa to shut up and not talk about it and Leo brings it up
you're like No, we're not talking about it. Right God
Exactly. Good man. Well, good. You saved him.
Well, yeah, he should have he should be talking about
I'm so happy the best part is it's very kind of you. You could
have gotten a cheap shot in there but you save the
company man when it comes down to it.
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Alright, so no nights no nothing. We got nothing.
Nothing. Yeah, birthdays. Yeah, we got birthdays. But I would
like to see some more. I mean, here we are. I think we're
providing the value for you. It's a quarter to three in
Tokyo. And tomorrow Of course, there's a big party which I'll
tell you about in a moment.
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Pretty shirtless Brett yo says Happy Birthday to his bestie his
bestie Matt 28 on the 13th so this is a belated birthday.
Polina Spencer's Happy Birthday to Edwin Luxenberg. Looked in
Bern, he'll be celebrating on the 27th and margen. dealer says
Happy Birthday to boy friend, Nick. He turns 22 Today happy
birthday from all of your buddies, yet the best podcast in
the universe. I love it when when women are given their men,
the shout outs and donations and birthday stuff. It's nice.
I want to mention something to the letter from Vladimir. Yes,
in Russia. Yes, there is a we have to emphasise this a little
bit. People that I know people that have said they listened to
the show, and then they think they've got it. They figured it
all out. And then they some of them stop listening to the show.
Oh, yeah, we lose listeners. We have people that we have a lot
of new listeners, but there are people that need. I just wanna
remind people that you, there's revelations in every one of
these shows that sometimes I provide them, Adam provides them
very consistently. And when I hear them myself and think, Ah,
I didn't even think of that. And that is kind of the real one of
the values of the show, which is ah, I didn't even think of that.
So obvious, right, right. And that happens commonly with the
show. But the reason you didn't think of it because you if you
stop listening to no agenda you get you get complacent will be
sucked back and mess Yep. And you will have this you know you
will be just another slave out there just bumbling around wake
up
you'll wake up one day and you're like oh my god I'm
getting turned on by Kim Kardashians fat ass and you lost
you gone?
Do you know what your stick with the show is? It's good for you.
It's a very healthy Show. Show it's good for it's a good diet
show everything but it's good to use it. Listen to it on the gym.
I'm talking to Sir Mark and DeMasters. Now these two, when
you see the work they've done. You see this? Did you I don't
know if you saw the blog post that I did about the it's a
bookstore but it's not. This place is like a mega complex,
which is a restaurant it's a coffee bar. It's a it's it's a
bar, it's a library. It's a It's iTunes, it's an Apple store,
it's people go hang out things open, you know, 20 hours a day.
And this is huge project. And they are no slouches. These are
big, big shots. Yeah. Although in Tokyo or Japan in general. No
one's a big shot. Everyone plays it down. Like yeah, whatever.
It's a team that was
very nail it gets hammered down kind of thing. Yeah.
DeMasters also says, oh, no, we couldn't do this great work if
we didn't have a great client like wow. I always said we'd
have a great business if we had no clients could. But but they
do not watch news. They don't good for them. No, they don't
watch news. They listened. They figured what we didn't know. And
by the way, they don't necessarily they're not I think
DeMasters more on board with certainly my thinking. But our
thinking and I think Sir Mark is may not even agree with a lot of
stuff, but but they use our programme to keep themselves
sane, without being sucked into the whole system of the new
cycle. And in fact, when pressed upon it, they said that we
definitely are influential in their award winning
architectural design.
Well, that's weak. It's not true. But it's a lot of people
if
I said, Hey, do we influence your award winning architectural
design? Yeah, shear curry.
Sanity is like one of the things that we noticed the people
thanking us for in these notes. The I noticed that when we had
the last contribution from the anonymous lesbian performance
artists Yes. The bombers a little note on the on the check
it it said sanity, ah. Because that's what we provide. You're
paying us for sanity. Because it's insane. If you don't
deconstruct these stories, and just listen to the mainstream
media, feeding you crap, feeding you means
parental, for instance, there's this meme. And this is a
typical, no agenda, thinking and analysis. There's an ongoing
meme about endless conferences and you see the stories of
robots and being autonomous and killer robots and the
transhumanist robots and everyone's talking about have
you seen these stories? Yeah, it's grey tonnes of them right
now. Why are they happening right now? Because on the 28th,
the 23rd of May a new movie Yes. X Men Days of Future Past, which
is about robots gone bizarre robots. Yeah. And you once you
understand how the system works, and that first and foremost,
everything on television and in the news is meant to promote
another entertainment product. It's also funny because when I
was hunting around, and there's a new Transformers movie coming
out as well, and I'm getting all the robots i Yes, I'm getting
all the Japanese pre rolls. Yeah. Which is kind of cute.
kind of cute. Here's here's what I got for the Transformers
movie. And you can just hear the the dispassionate energy that
was put into this promo of transformers. Oh, Japan,
Mark Wahlberg. Here. Go check out my latest film transformers
last Age. It has tonnes of action, some new characters, and
it's full of effects that you've never seen before. It opens in
Japan in August. Don't miss it.
Alright, market we're doing the Spanish market next. Hello,
Mexico.
Really? They do. Wow. Brought up movies. Yes, I do have and this
time I'm trying to make it easy on you. And I don't want you to
look into the chat room because this is what
I'm off the chat room so there's no there's no way I can.
So I'm gonna give you an easy guest the movie for today. This
is something I do about once a month maybe once on a
second. Hold on. Let's just queue up. It's time for
another episode of guests.
Do you need to set it up? Or can I just now it's
pretty self explanatory.
I'm making sloppy joes for dinner.
I can't stay for dinner. Or you got to eat. Why do you think we
call them pecker never did eat properly as a child just picked
that as food. Well, I'm not hungry and besides, I'm late for
my photoshoot with Tina Packer.
We love your big sister. But you know how we feel about that
place where she works at Devil's workshop.
Well, at least they don't show pubic hair. That's one good
thing I can say. Honey Don't see pubic. Percy Okay, Okay, Bye,
dad. It'll be too late Packer
This is Yes, I know this one. I believe this to be happy days
the movie.
You know, I've gone out of my way. This is a segment of the
show that I believe is important because it adds a little light
levity, and you always fail to guess the name of the movies. I
don't think you're taking it seriously. This time. I gave you
every hint
that it must be called pecker or something. That's
exactly hacker. I don't know why it's called pecker. You never
get up? I've
never heard of this
movie. Yes, it was on epics.
Never heard of this movie. Before for another episode, I
guess.
It's interesting. You bring that up because I felt that I really
did need to brush up on some of my movies skills. And there's a
number of movies. I realised I'm really suck at this. And it's
because I don't watch a lot of movies. On the plane. We had
Delta. Horrible. Yeah, not a good experience. Just
to interrupt you. I seem to get most of my intense movie viewing
on planes. Yeah, you get to watch three or four movies on a
flight to Japan. Yeah, so
I watched I know I had seen it but I couldn't remember I
watched taxi driver.
oldies, but goodies. Yeah,
they have this of back catalogue. It's on demand. And
it was not as good as I remembered or man that just like
whatever.
You looking at me? Yeah, but that, you know, you're talking
to me, too. I
know all of those classic scenes, but when you see them in
the movie, like, Ah, all right, not all that great. Although I'd
forgotten that. What's your face? From Moonlighting? Right.
Yeah, this guy is hot man back in the day. What else did I
watched? I watched the Men in Black three.
That's a horrible film.
Yes, that's you are correct. And what else did I watch? I don't
remember.
The best movies to watch on a plane or the Fast and Furious
series.
I'm not gonna watch seriously.
Let's do a little bit of Snowden stuff. And then we got to go
pretty soon. We're running over over time already. Michael
Hayden said something very interesting. In related this was
on a panel show, he was on the show with Major Garrett, who was
moderating, and then some lawyer and they were talking about a
think an attorney for the NSA and talking about metadata. And
the guy who was clearly invited to yell at Michael Hayden. I
think it was an eff type. That kind of guy was essentially
saying, Wow, man, metadata is so much more important. And Peter
Baker, this attorney had said this, that, you know, we don't
need to listen to the content of your phone call. Metadata is
really what's important. That really tells us about your life
about who you're calling, what time you call them, how often
you call them. And it's much more important than the drivel
you're actually saying on the call, to which Michael Hayden
responds. And Michael Hayden, of course, ran the NSA. And did he
also run the
CIA? Yes, during the torture period? Yeah. He used to torture
me as a torture guy. And he shouldn't he should lay low, it
seems to me but okay, well,
he's not he's doing anything but laying low. We heard him on
that, that show with Dershowitz. And Dershowitz. And he were
against the Reddit kid and Greenwald. And he's just he's
just going balls to the wall, man.
Yeah, first of all, David's description of what you can do
with metadata and, quoting a mutual friend Stuart Baker, is
absolutely correct. Okay. We kill people based on metadata.
All righty.
The guy's unbelievable. And then he says he's saying stuff like
he follows
it up with this.
But that's not what we do with this metadata. Okay.
Stuart Baker,
not Peter, whatever that means. This guy's insane.
No, he is totally If he's gone because he's worried sick about
this, he's gonna get tried as a war criminal. He should.
Grant green rado ravintsara was on the C span show. Thanks,
everybody for thinking of us. Thanks for calling in with your
question or going, Hey, Grant green Rao. To see what to do
that it would have been funny. The C span columns show it's so
easy to get on that show. Or just go. Hey, Greg grey Well,
no, no, but someone called him with something funny.
Chuck waiting in Kansas City, Missouri.
On our line for Democrats. Chuck, good morning. Hey, good
morning, guys. Go ahead. Oh, yeah, I want to do I want to ask
if we can address the surveillance state unless we
address the issue surrounding what is used to justify the work
that we're journalists writing about the evidence explosives
destroyed the third tower building seven on 911 and all
the 1000s and Chuck, we're gonna hold off on the 911 questions.
Were talking to
questions about WT seven TC seven won't go away.
I love it though. So funny.
I got to Eurovision character he came out and he actually said
something. Oh, wow. The winner you know that guy? The lady
consider
worst? Yeah. Yeah. You know, we
we unity, and we are unstoppable.
The context has played an important role in bringing
Europeans together since it was first held in 1956.
We you know who you are. We are unity. We are unstopped What is
he talking about?
I think the Antarctic ice melt is unstoppable. So maybe that I
said, I didn't realise I didn't realise that. And maybe this has
always been this way. Because of course I'm looking how do they
rig this? This vote to have this obvious why this? This Conchita
worst one? I did not know that they split the popular vote
through phone and SMS voting in each country with a professional
quote unquote, jury who also votes.
Oh, well, that's how
that's how you do it. I didn't I didn't vote. I don't know if it
was always that way. Or if that's something that's new or
relatively new,
and that's when they politicised it. I'm sure when it began in
1956. It was there was no call in anyway, you know, they're
just, I don't know. They probably added the call in later
this American gimmick to rack up big money for the phone
companies.
Just a quick couple of things that I have on the list and I'll
save some of this for Sunday show. A lot of people weirded
out to say the least about the new rules that are being I think
they're being proposed, but we'll go into effect that looks
in Gitmo nation east, the United Kingdom. If you have not paid
your taxes if you have been issued several warnings for
paying your taxes. The British government now will take the
amount from your bank account.
Will they do that here?
No, they don't they they lock your bank account and they can
put a lien on it, but they don't actually take the amount. It
comes down to the same thing, but I think there's a nuance
there's a slight difference in just saying oh, we'll just take
it don't worry about it.
Usually, you know, if you're not paying your taxes, it's unlikely
that you have the taxable amount sitting in a bank account for
them to just casually grab correct
and I think it's only a setup to a next step which is just you
know what, why don't we all just don't worry about it. We'll just
take your taxes from your bank account. That's why I think that
doing it is just to get set for that next step.
Hmm, maybe
All right, well, you got to go to bed you got to finish it. You
got to produce the show. We got some clips. I got a whole series
of things. This Cohen guy showed up again, our professor Dolan.
Yeah, why are you yeah showed up on what show did you show up on
on Democracy Now? Oh, okay. He's doing the rounds again. He was
on some radio show
and the
democracy now because democracy now and bring a guest on like
this. They'll give the guy a half hour. Yeah, it's not like
you know, we got 10 minutes like PBS NewsHour, the guys on it
makes, you know, to keep it tight. Keep it tight. Soundbite
sound by giving it gives, you know, Democracy Now they drag it
out. And often it's horribly boring and stupid. And it goes
on forever. You don't watch it. This guy is just loaded with
material. So I've got a bunch of clips from him that will just
make your give us a tease or sir, my friend. I don't have I
don't have I don't have a clip. Okay. All right. I have for
Sunday show. See, I have a whole bunch of John Miller clips,
which is pretty it's very interesting about al Qaeda and
what Al Qaeda does and doesn't do and what you influences them
and he of course has the authority being a former NSA
employee than working at CBS and soft balling everything and now
back working for for New York State New York City, I should
say.
Yeah, that guy. The guy who did the great 60 minutes Yeah, that
that piece exactly right down of the NSA, which was just a joke.
All right, so we will be back on Sunday. Can we did this time
work for you this a little earlier than Yeah, that's fine.
I can do this time again. Alright, so the work works great
for me because now it's three. By the time I'm done, I'll be in
bed by 430 asleep at fun you got a party? Yes. The party. I have
the flyer right here it is the 5050 party.
I've got tonight. Friday night.
Yeah. Oh, performing. DJ Toretto
is that the DJ? That's
me. But we have actually we have some really super acts
performing this is all at the super super Luxe super Luxe
Super Deluxe super.
I can't get what's the name of the place? Well,
yeah, super deluxe in Tokyo that is actually super market damn
asteroids. Project they have they do this like all these
performances and they do it from donations is very cool. But most
importantly, the 5678 from Kill Bill will be performing. That's
the Japanese girl band. Yeah, yeah. They're gonna be
performing for our birthday. And it looks like pole dancers. So
sorry, you
got a dancer. Yeah, sorry.
You can't be there. My friend.
I've seen pole dancers. Yeah, I know you're on a pole. They
swing around the pole. They climb up the pole. They slide
down the pole. Some of them go upside down the pole and then
slide down. I know you and then they swing out from the pole ran
the club man. I know. I wonder what the Yeah, yeah. You ran it
on the ground by the way. You know, we don't. Yeah, pole
dancers.
You ran this entire club that worked out for a little while.
Yeah, but looking back on it. You know, I've always wondered
why who invented pole dancing. You know, when you go to
Vancouver or know Toronto, they have unionised strippers. And so
they go from club to club, the club and these little Jitneys
Oh, see the same girl everywhere. But yeah, I was
taken to a club. I think it was invented in Toronto and they and
they had this thing where the girl performs well on the pole.
They the crowd starts yelling, shower, shower, shower, all in
unison and then the girl has to go into the shower, which is on
stage and turn it on. Nice. This is a Canadians idea of cool.
Fun. All right, everybody. So we'll be back on Sunday right
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more reports from Japan. From Tokyo here. At least go to
Akihabara. I will start here. We've got a party remember
coming to you from the Hot Pockets wasabi love hotel here
in Tokyo. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry.
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