How very DARE YOU Glenn? Adam curry John C. Dvorak. It's
Sunday March 16 2014. Time for your gizmo nation media
assassination episode 600.
This is no agenda.
Celebrating 600 episodes with the best podcast in the universe
from FEMA Region six in Traverse high tide on Austin, Texas in
the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where my count is
590 9.5 I'm John C. Dvorak. Always the Joker. This is a show
600.
Eric and Maria came over last night a friends of ours here
Eric is the lawyer, the constitutional lawyer because
Mickey had arranged for VIP guest list access to DJ Tiesto
here and in in one of the clubs as a part of South rap. She
knows him. Okay, you'd like to start right? You're into that
kind of started. Really? She toto DJ know dj t. So you'd like
trance and house music?
Well, if you're listening to that stuff, you don't really
care who's playing it. Okay, DJ J to resto DJ Tourettes?
No. Oh, oh, that's. That's my new DJ name. Everybody. It's DJ
Terenzo. Puck. So now he's DJ Ts. He's Dutch guy. He does like
$70 million a year. Spinning records in clubs.
Why don't you have him donate to the show? Yeah, well, there's
that. Yeah. Okay.
So Mickey of course knows him since she ran all all of
Amsterdam nightlife for a while there. And so she tweets him.
This is my my was tweets of Hey, I hear you're playing put me in
the guest list. He says yeah, plus one. And I'm like, oh,
that's kind of cool. I've met him. I think I gave him an
award, like 10 years ago or something. I got an award. Oh,
I'm
sorry. Yeah, this
will be fun. And of course, Oh, no. It's Saturday night and
yeah, it's crap. So Erica, Maria come over. Eric is driving the
girls to the because he's a lawyer. He's not gonna go hang
out and dance like me. And they're tweeting pictures.
They're popping bottles in the club. Like yeah, look, it's me
and Tiesto selfies. And I'm sitting here my old are these
women. I'm sitting here in my underwear. prepping the show.
600 like this. The world is a little unfair.
Well, you you'd rather be there CELT doing selfies at the club.
Well,
Mickey comes back to his calendar, Mickey comes back and
says, ah, it was a lot of fun. But, you know, the whole VIP
thing was just it was all hookers. I'm like, oh, make it
worse.
Well, now you're talking.
Don't hurt me. Okay. I'll hook or like a really?
How many hookers are in Austin? I don't know. Seriously.
Well, let's look@backpage.austin.com
Actually, let's not a lot. There's a lot of
them but your rich guys there so I guess there would be hookers.
He's
funny. Well, it South by Southwest. So of course you
know, it's gonna be the hookers came in from out of town. What I
think most hookers usually come in from out of town, the ones
that are worth anything. But there was the New York Times
actually what is the out of town? They come in from Dallas
Houston. It could come from New Orleans, LA. Yeah,
travelling hookers travelling occurs. New York
Times report in depth report details economics of sex trade.
And right here without accreditation. Of course. They
it's right here a whole paragraph on divorce tax law. In
the New York Times, The recession has caused some in the
sex industry to offer deals or drop prices. Atlanta law
enforcement officials reported some sex workers even offered
Veterans Day specials
as they should.
And let's just remind everybody of DeVore X law of economics.
You can check the one. It was very good, John. Yeah. Well, the
law essentially says that in a down economy, the hookers get
better looking. And there's more of them. There's more of them
and they're cheaper. Yeah. The whole thing is welcome to
Western civilization works. Well. Yes.
So anyway, so that's what that was. I need to I'm going to do
that. I want to become DJ Tourette. So yeah, that'd be
kind of fun.
I developed some stammering or something and make it
interesting.
Let me just see maybe I can get how would you spell that?
Tourette's? Should I do DJ Tourette's? Oh, just
Tourette so don't know DJ and that would be the word
Tourette's should it be DJ Tourette
So are toretto.com here just to read so
terenzo.com is T E R R E that's the way spell Tourette's.
Okay, t o u r tour e e t t Tourette. So okay have t o u r e
t t s o does that sound right?
No. There's Double T in the end there. T o u r e TT e. S o. S o.
Okay. All right, register. Alright, let's see
what that
was. I'm sorry. It's taken.
Nailed it done.
I've got it. Yeah. Great
to read. So I can have a whole career. Everybody. Welcome to
the club. How you doing? Yeah. Hey, look, it's either that or
go work for CNN who are now touting the headline. Let me get
the headline.
Reporters at risk and Crimea. No.
Oh, yeah. That's what they're doing the reporters at risk and
Crimea.
They had MARGARET WARNER from the news our roaming freely
around Crimea giving all kinds of interesting reports. I
thought, you know, she's, we used to be one of the anchors on
the NewsHour, they kicked her out. We you know, thanks to Bill
Gates, but she looks happier than ever. Now. She's a world
traveller.
Well, yeah. As she's travelling. He's gotten out
of the gotten out of the office, which must have been horrible.
Yeah. I have a report here. Let's take a look at it. This
would be Ukraine. Oh, yeah. This is actually interesting is this
is Margaret roaming around Crimea. And this is the Ukraine
ballot
which is taking place as we speak, I guess right. Yeah, it
is.
Totally cool. Beranek is going door to door and the small
Crimea town of John coy. urging his fellow Ukrainians to go out
and sounds really bad once again become part of
Russia Bureau polls.
shows them a sample ballot on how they should vote. Their
choice appears to be essentially between voting to join Russia
immediately, which a declare independence from Ukraine as a
prelude to that. Go Beranek volunteered for the new so
called self defence forces, after protests in Kyiv ousted
Russian back President Viktor Yanukovych and installed a
Western backed government. He likens the current political
struggle to the bloody battle over Ukraine 70 years ago,
between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
All right, interesting how that ak 47 was
just yeah, you know, you know, if I wanted to sweeten the clip,
I do it myself.
I'm sorry.
I, you got to new you got a new toy?
No, no, no, we've had that for a while. This one
anyway. So the ballot says a stupid election as such. I don't
know why this isn't reported on More Options are the following.
Do you want to join Russia now? Do you want to join Russia
later? Yeah.
Choices that really exactly what it says.
But essentially, it says, Well, according to her, and she's had
the ballot there. It says you we need to join Russia immediately.
And the other one says we're going to become an independent
republic with the option of joining Russia later right. So
what about no Is there a no. Bus believes is saying no. Now this
is rigged.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is Yes. Is rave. Yes. rigged. rigged. It's also
everyone's getting in on the game now. Vienna, it was a
Vienna I think it was Vienna home on. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Venice. Venice wants to is getting a referendum ready to
secede from Italy? Which is exactly the same thing. By the
way. Little crazy thing down there hanging off the island.
It's no underwater.
If it wasn't for the country of Italy, Venice would be broke. Or
they got tourism. Yeah, but it's not paying for the bills to keep
those buildings propped up. Yeah.
There's not much. I mean, Italy is broke. It doesn't make much
difference.
Yeah, I guess that's true, too. But that's the kind of and
they're gonna start trading again, world traders. Go right
back into the history books. Let's play my other clip on the
on Ukraine so we can get it out of the west from the same
report. Okay.
For centuries, Crimea was part of Russia, until the Soviets
transferred it to their Ukrainian Republic in the 50s
and Crimea remained a part of Ukraine after the Soviet Union
collapsed in 1991. The peninsula still hosts Russia's Black Sea
Fleet, and voters like Svetlana Kalina insists The majority of
Ukrainian citizens here want to be Russian citizens again.
We've been waiting for this a long time we felt oppressed for
years. While we lived in poverty, the money Cremeans
we're making went straight to kids.
Many parts of Crimea are impoverished with high
unemployment and low levels of government services and
benefits.
Nathan, you'd have water, there are no jobs. Nothing here.
29 year old Alexander who's Yanka has only now found steady
work as a courier. He two yearns to join Russia for economic
reasons.
plotted against salaries and pensions are bigger in Russia
while prices are lower. That's why I think the majority will
vote to join Russia.
You know, we've discussed this before this man on the street
stuff and it skews reporting to such a degree all everything.
Everything we're seeing is bull crap.
Yeah, it's both crap. But there is one underlying theme which I
think is probably accurate, which is that the Ukrainians are
lazy. Okay, now I'm gonna relate a story because my buzzkill
juniors best friend spent like two or three years in Ukraine
and then he went now he was on some Russian Island
and now he's just lounging around the house smoking weed.
Is that your? No, no, he's
always floating around Russia because his parents he lives in
Tennessee or someplace like that. Parents are dead. He
doesn't get every job in the United States. But he just got
kicked out of the Russian island because apparently the Russians
are pulling all the visas of foreign workers that are
American as we speak. So he like yesterday just got kicked out.
But he says when he was in the in Ukraine, he was always always
trying to start little businesses the way Americans do.
He says you can't get since he started a magazine. He had
everything lined up. And then the day they opened nobody
showed up. Where you weren't you come to work aside and see.
Can I just work from home today?
I'm gonna want to work from home
feeling a little under the weather. Wow. So this, here's
the here's the stuff that's really not being well, it is
being reported. But it's of course not going to be in this
report from this woman. Big companies, big American
companies are getting very nervous about Jerry Kerry and
his his Yalie skull and bone douche knuckles and the Neo cons
and Nudelman. About, you know, the sanctions that that of
course are good to go that they're kind of forcing the
President is just the puppet in this case, PepsiCo and General
Electric have now openly warned Kerry that sanctions can
backfire, of course, and I have a clip from from Putin. Yeah,
they've got business in Russia. And Putin is now saying, hey,
you know, why don't I start some sanctions over here on some of
your stupid companies? Here's a yeah, this I don't know. What
news out for this is from the Russians
have essentially put out the message that you sanction us,
you're gonna pay the price. We're gonna seize American
businesses assets. Remember, there are a lot of major
multinational American corporations who do business in
Russia. And they're concerned about that, at the same time in
terms of how far the sanctions could go.
Alright. So here's what we're talking about. PepsiCo chose
PepsiCo has earnings of I think, more than a billion dollars in
Russia. General Electric has a joint venture with two Russian
gas firms or gas turbans. Ford has car partnerships. This is
the is this really the plan? Obviously, it can't be
no and we already know that Merkel won't do anything and
she's gonna veto anything that you use going to try to do it
because they're the Germans are worse off than we are. When it
comes to being
they nicked it. They Yeah, they really need the Russian money.
So this, I think, ultimately, this would just be about you
know, putting some some bombs around, you know, putting some
ICBMs at the borders and stuff like that. Well, I
think they should just pull back from the whole thing. I still
don't think it's our business to deal with this. And oh, hold on,
not only for president but yes being right. Yeah. But I'm I'm
still under this this sneaking suspicion that unless the
Russians are completely naive about this, or they're just so
prideful, they can't live with it. I just still think it would
be in the in the Russians best interest to let the Ukraine fall
under the influence of the EU and maybe even join the EU at
some point. Because it's not a it's not a country that is
almost like a toxic country. And I think it would like just
completely screw over the EU over the long haul.
Yeah, but the Russians don't want that either. They need the
EU. There's their customer You don't want the customer to die.
Well, I guess there's that. Well, that's just this isolate.
So what is this? That is the only bullcrap as far as I'm
concerned it,
I think it might. So I don't understand exactly how it works
but feels like it has something to do with the petro dollar. And
by the way, it would not surprise me. If the State
Department because Obama's out he's just on the sideline, he's
just doing what I gotta do what I'll sign this exhibit. Yeah,
I'll sign that. All right. Hey, my bad movie. Two Ferns. Guys,
so clueless. It wouldn't surprise me if the Yalie Jerry
Kerry Neo cons are in cahoots with Putin. Maybe they have a
plan together to screw Germany? Maybe it could. I mean, I don't
know. It, nothing seems logical from an economic perspective
that much we know. Here's, here's Jerry Kerry talking about
one of our original thesis or my thesis I, which is the export of
liquid natural petroleum to Europe to in case Putin starts
to do something weird with the gas,
it does seem that if the administration would move to
allow the export of natural gas into the Ukraine,
that that's not him, by the way, that's one of the chair in the
Senate, that would
send a powerful signal that we could indeed, do something here
that would produce American jobs. After all, we're flaring a
lot of gas here where we're actually capping a lot of our
wells. If we exported that, specifically to that market, it
might take time. But once we made that signal, investors
would then put up, put up the terminals necessary for us to do
it. And it would go into the calculus in Moscow, about
whether or not they wanted to leave that
word. But did they have like
a? Notice the usage of the word calculus? Oh, no,
no, this is Oh, no, it's
a meme. It's like, oh, we have to we're gonna have to change
the calculus. We have to do the calculus. Oh, the calculus? I
don't know when it makes no sense. If you do the calculus,
do they have one of those abacus things? Is that how they do
their budget in Russia? It's a
it's a meme, that position and it might bring them to the
table. And I wanted to raise that
the calculus is evidence based issue with you. We're all
for it, Mr. Chairman, and all in Department of Energy has
jurisdiction over this within the administration, they have
issued six licences already for 8.5 billion cubic feet per day
and to be exported to free trade and non free trade countries,
including Europe. So it's, it's a possibility now the first
major project to export gas is not going to take hold until
sometime in 2015. So but but since we're in March, Ukraine's
needs are no such that they ought to be able to get if there
is any manipulation,
we just send a propane tank. He say he was trying to say, I
think we'll send them propane tanks. He's saying that because
it's March and it's not that cold anymore. It's not a dire
necessity. So 2015 is early
Scrum, they can they can Hey, burn some
books or something to keep warm. If you got a problem. You guys
next corner of the world know what to do
for wood.
We've been talking about the Neo cons running, running this, this
operation, whatever their ultimate goal is, which is kind
of published The Project for a New American Century. And I got
it. I've got a very upsetting email, a short one, but a very
upsetting email from one of our knights that I wanted to share.
Because I thought it was done. It was so unfair. Is I listened
to the whole Cheney rant. This was where I was saying, you
know, that he's the, the worst person in the universe. All he
wants is to kill people. He wants the bombs at the border,
which he was literally saying he wants to do let's put the ICBMs
back up there. Let's get our war machine all cranked up. That's
what he was saying. Correct? More or less, and I said the
guys in a hole. You said that for sure. Yeah. So I listened to
the whole Cheney rant. And thought it was very distasteful.
It is very hard for me to feel good about supporting someone
that would be the show. Who so viciously rips a person who was
out of power, while forgiving those who are now in power and
committing such crimes against us. Like What show are you
listening to?
What Yeah, forgiving Who are we forgiving? specificially
I'm forgiving the NSA and Obama. Yeah,
you're ripping him every week. Yeah, no, I'm
forgiving. I'm forgiving them. for committing such crime No I'm
not.
I don't think so. And that's
exactly what I said. Don't insult me. Don't insult me with
this. I'm just telling you that I didn't like something No
You're accusing me of things I didn't do
no no no we go after all these we I don't know who we've ever
made an excuse for I guess what's his name the guy that was
ousted by by Maria portioning his area the the percentage
percentage. That's about the only guy railroaded him out
Yeah, that's like the only guy like listen to him. And we also
I think with with Rand Paul once in a while. Yeah. him less so
than Ron Paul. Yeah. But then we've also gone after them for
being corrupt in some way or other not as bullcrap somebody
obviously is all in with the torture and with just Cheney and
and Cheney bull crap is just completely out of control this
night. Needless to say, after what you just said there will
never ever support the show. Unless he wakes up and smells
the coffee. We have no agenda people. For six 599.5 episodes,
we've had no agenda. No, none. It just could be the only agenda
I have is to be able to do another one. Yeah, just want to
be able to do another one
that bullshit behind all this stuff. And Cheney is not. And
why is he even on the TV anymore? He's out of power.
You're not out of power. If you're on the nation. Yeah,
blathering about what? what America should do. That's a
powerful place to be if this guy was out of power, and if he's
out of power. So the guys decided to live a quiet life in
the middle of nowhere Casper, Wyoming, with his wife and
family up in the mountains. And we're jamming him because
because even though he wants to get out of the public eye,
that's not what's going
on know, if he was out of power, his rethink his priorities.
Something interesting popped up on the Federal Register. This is
notice of determination in Section 301. Investigation of
Ukraine. This is something not talked about because oh, let me
think Yeah, it's so hard to read the Federal Register. They have
an RSS feed even you can subscribe. The Trade
Representatives made the determinations in their in their
investigation on February 28 2014. The Trade
Representative initiated a section 301 investigation of
certain acts policies and practising practices of the
Government of Ukraine with respect to intellectual property
rights. See identification of this. The acts policies and
practices subject to investigation were those that
formed the basis of Ukraine's designation in the May 1 2013.
Special 301 report as a priority for the country. Those acts
policies and practices involved are the administrative Ukraine
system for collecting societies. That's your ASCAP, BMI, Harry
Fox agency, which are responsible for collecting and
distributing royalties to us and other rights holders. By the
way, when when money's collected, it comes to us first,
because we invented that we invented music. You see, we
invented motion picture, use of infringing software by Ukrainian
government agencies. And online infringement of copyright and
related rights. The notice of initiation proposed the
determination by these acts pauses practice actionable under
Section 301. So they're getting in early. Hey, we got a new
government. They're in the in Ukraine Get in line. Let's be in
line first. Yeah,
they are the ones who also invented the overnight line.
The bread line, didn't we invent that? And that's why it's a fine
American tradition. Ladies and gentlemen, the bread line.
And this is essentially a bread it's a bread line.
Yeah, that's I was just about to say that. I mean, while of
course, we do have to scorn Putin and Russia once again. The
Paralympics are currently taking place in Sochi, which will have
a grand total of 52 hours of television cut of coverage
during the entire games, which boils down to about two times 30
minutes a day on NBC around 3am. And, and Putin is now like some
handicapped I'm sorry. Disabled human being resources. He's
being confronted because he didn't have the proper ramps
because he hates criminals. Not only does he hate
I didn't see this at all. Well, yeah, it was all it's all over
the place. He definitely did. It's not the
proper ramps. It's prudence fall. Yeah, it's human rights.
Watch. Again. Of course, you
can say whatever you want about the gas and all the rest. This
is all about Snowden.
Yeah. So what you do is you just say you take anything bad, and
you just put Putin in front or behind it and it's okay. So
blank hates cripples. You He hates dogs. He hates days. He
hates. Yeah, hates dogs. He hates gays. And he hates
cripples. Yeah, no, it's a hateful Paralympians. He's just
a horrible horrible horrible man he doesn't want the right ramps
It's an outrage says human rights.
What else you won't give us Snowden
no know of course he won't give up Snowden. A lot came out
regarding that man. Ah, this is so first of all, someone sent me
an email. And the more I think about it, the more our idea that
this entire Snowden all these people who are popping up around
him, which includes Laura Poitras, and Jacob Appelbaum, I
O air and derive camera and the whole intercept crew over there
to peer drive my cars outfit.
Oh, hey, another week has gone by.
And I still haven't read an article intercept. You haven't
read the intercept. It is so obvious their job is their
mission is to protect the Google who book. This is my noon, the
Google the Google who book?
The Google who book?
Yeah, that's Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Google, who book a
Google who book is that? Yeah, it's the it's the trifecta that
Google who book to the first email I got is from one of our
producers who said, Oh, the seven proxies thing that you
recall, Snowden did a Google Google hooba Google Hangout at
at South by Southwest. And the first thing that the ACLU shill
lawyers said, Well, you know, in order to hook this up, we got
him on seven proxies. Apparently, this is a meme that
you and I were not aware of. This is proxies. Yes. It's a
4chan meme. And the mean is I went through seven proxies. Good
luck trying to find me. So either this was an incredible
joke on someone's part. Which I don't think was the ACLU guy.
No, it was probably his, his writer. Yeah, his writer.
I didn't know that. I had never heard of this. So that's what it
looked for. I'm behind seven proxies. Good luck and track me
down. And yeah, that's
like the meme that Yeah, yeah, these guys I think they're
responsible for I you know, I I for one welcome our new so and
so overlord said, yes.
Yeah, me. Yes. Another one. Exactly. Now snowed in South by
Southwest talk as you and I deconstructed pretty much was
was not saying stop using Google who book? It was? Do we need
encryption? Yes, we need encryption, more encryption.
This coincided to the day with Google's announcement of taking
steps to encrypt search results. This whole thing was a promotion
versus
a make they keep it they keep all your search queries. Thank
you, at the Google offices for the first 18 months to three
years. So if I type in, hello, I'm looking for some ones. You
know, somebody Googled saves it and they keep it they got all
these computers, they store it. I don't know why. So they give
me better ads. That's why you're mad that way I can. What did I
do? I bought something the other day.
And just before you go off on the tangent,
now go on. I'm sorry. I'll I won't go off that tangent. But
you know what I was gonna say?
Yes. With end the ads. Yeah. But here we have Snowden. His only
point is encryption. It happens almost on the same. It's the
same exact moment that Google announces, and he's on a Google
Hangout. And Google announces, oh, hey, we're doing encryption
now for all your searches. Everything safe now, then, is
it safe?
Don't argue with me. Of course, it's not safe. I'm getting to a
point here. Just follow the point. Everybody listening to
the show right now knows it's bullshit, but let's figure out
who the players are. Zuckerberg then comes out in Politico.
Well,
I had to call the president, because it turns out that the
NSA was spoofing, pretending to be my sad face book.
Zuckerberg voice instead of that, that character you're
doing
I don't I don't. I don't have a Zuckerberg voice. Now to bring
this all together. We have Steve Levy, who I'm sure you know.
I do know, Steve. Steve levy is
he wrote an article for Wired Magazine about how the United
States almost killed the internet and still might cover
article. Steve, I think I'll give you my first impression of
him. A total Google shill. Tell me you know Steve, what is He?
Is he a good guy?
Well, I had plenty of drinks with him. He is a opportunist.
And he as a writer is good writer. But he was on the Apple
bandwagon forever. And he was just a shill for Apple. And I'd
say I say this to his face and whatever. And yeah, show for
Apple show for Apple. sure she'll for Apple friends with
Steve. She'll for Apple wrote a couple of bunch of books.
Special Access, Steve dies.
And then and then what now he writes the Googleplex. Okay,
which is all about Google and the goo and he Steve and
Googliness. And he's googly. And he loves everything, Google.
I'm sure he does this the way he works. He's the Google who but
who is essentially a walking native ad for these guys. Thank
you. So he is on C span which as you know, is pretty much the
only they have it in HD now. Oh, except I don't have C span three
HD, which I
have never seen. That is not an on the Dish Network is not an
HD. Yeah, they
have they have C span one is HD. But of course some of the
content is just inherently not HD. But you know, some of it is
HD. So the Washington, what is it that Washington our daily,
the Colin show, which for some reason our producers, just
they're too late. They're like our producers must be all from
Ukraine. They're so lazy, they can't think there's three phone
numbers you can call up. And there's this interesting people
Steven Levy is a Google who who are he's a shill is a perfect
opportunity. And the people that did call up work, Oh, the other
day I was, I was actually a woman, I had three, I had three
tabs open on my Google. That's literally what she is in her
browser. She calls Google. And I had because I'm researching a
turtle. And and all of a sudden the word prism showed up at the
top of one of these tabs. I didn't know that was possible
and leave, he's just like. And I didn't clip that because I
wanted
to get to the important stuff not used to dealing with the
public, because this is the
kind of people that call to any of our producers need to be
called. We've only had one guy calling once about the six week
cycle, which we'll get to, but no one is pleased people calling
into the show. It's hilarious. Okay, it has some fun with it,
too. So here is Levy. And here he is. His entire job now, now
that Steve's dead is to promote the Googliness of the Google who
book of Google and talk about how about encryption? And of
course, obviously, he's he's been hanging out with Eric
Schmidt probably on the jet on their on their their listening
tour.
And we learned from Edward Snowden just recently at the
South by Southwest Conference this week that encryption works.
Right? It does work, though. It's not it's not flawless. In
order to do encryption, right? You actually have to be
relatively sophisticated. It's not so easy for just plain
people to use it. And that's an ongoing complaint.
I have a question about that. Really, did you just like sigh?
Because I have a question.
Why side? Why?
No, because this is stupid. I don't care why I don't know what
he's saying. What he's talking about. I don't know that he
knows what he's talking about. But I've just I just thought it
was. I wasn't saying it had anything to do with you
saying I'm sensitive. I'm sensitive. I'm sensitive to
that. cyfle clip? Okay. It's not even over. So. So this is this
is the meme that is ongoing. The meme is encryption is hard. You
have to be sophisticated to do it. It's not all that easy. Why
is it? Do you think that Google, don't just take Google or
Facebook whose entire mission has been to make things on the
internet easy? Why have they not spent any time in creating the
be all end all encryption product that once and for all
integrates your address book, your email communication, your
PGP keys makes it really easy to do. G Do you think that's
because it is not in their best interest?
This is an advertising agency. They don't care about
encryption.
I'm just pointing out that for all the if you're if you're if
you think Google is great, you're an idiot, because these
guys are fun screwing everybody by not making the one thing
Snowden if you're there clapping for Snowden. Yay, encryption, we
need encryption, then you need to force these companies to make
it easy for you to do they make everything easy, except that
at South by Southwest I interviewed Eric Schmidt
Well, Eric Schmidt, as you know, he's he's probably as important
to as the
executive chairman of Google. Yes.
As I hang out with him good. Throughout the Google, I'm
sorry, I got to complain about this Levy,
and a co author of a book he wrote Jared Cohen, and they did
a big international listening tour for their book. And they
said they were surprised. The degree to which even dissenters
in company in countries who have a lot to lose from having their
communicate Since intercepted, don't use the tools that are
available to them to scramble their communications, because
there's too complicated.
Okay, so why don't why did the executive chairman change that?
He's not going to now on to Steve Levy, who's going to
explain exactly how these companies work, and why these
companies exist.
Here's a tweet from a viewer who asks this, how much money does a
typical company make off of our data? Percentage of profit? Can
we forbid them from keeping data beyond a billing cycle? Do these
companies make money from the government for mining this data
and handing it over?
What would the correct answer be John C. Dvorak? The
correct answer is that most of the large companies Twitter,
Facebook, Google, these people hold data and sell it to the
government or anybody else who wants to buy it. And it's a very
profitable business. That's the correct answer.
When are you having drinks with Steve levy next?
So you know, well?
Oh, crap. Oh, no. Well, here's what's going through his mind.
Oh, man, if I tell the truth, Eric Schmidt will never let me
back on the jet. Oh, I'll be banned from the Googleplex. What
am I going to say
for mining this data and handing it over? Sergey? No. So
the first part of the question, whether it's from the government
or not just for their own use, is is guests really to the
essence of what's complicated for these companies about this.
Because these companies, as you know, your tweeter implies, they
their model of serving the customer is based on having
information about the customer. And me being able to like target
information those, those users one or two deliver the
information that they want based on who they are, you know,
that's really important to those companies. And even hopefully,
he's sort of what, basically just want to cut a deal with us,
it seems. I mean, I just want jump in at that point, because
they sell this information then to other companies who want that
research.
They don't they don't sell it. They'll they'll sell it, they
use it for themselves.
They sell it it's a known fact, no,
no, no way to make our lives better. They sell they use it
for themselves to make our lives better, John, not for
advertising is to make our lives better. Yes, that's what the
deal when we search and Google is that Google might, you know,
store our behaviour while we search and what we click on, but
then they give us better search results. That's why I always
wondered why they stored all that data. Facebook says that,
you know, if they know more about us 13 seconds, come on,
they can provide more relevant information, oh, we go on
Facebook and look on that newsfeed that that scrolls by
more relevant information. They don't sell it to the government.
They do get reimbursed for selling it to the
real money. It's reimbursement. John, it's not selling it's a
reimbursement. I think we should stop calling it donations and
just call it a reimbursement reimbursement. Levy is a big
liar.
All right, he gets on or he gets something like one of these. You
call it? It's not a bandwagon a tent. It's a couch, a teat? He
gets on a teat and he's on his way I would die would have a
drink with him and call him out on all this stuff that he just
said that you interestingly clip and he go yeah, what are you
gonna do
ya know I'm sure he doesn't care he's he's selling books. He
doesn't care the final clip that I have is really the it's this
is the essence of what he is doing and what first look media
is doing the intercept they are no Snowden I have to say is
deflecting away from the true vacuum cleaner which is these
companies and the meme now is Oh, boo. Oh, you're making us
look bad President Obama Mark Zuckerberg I'm calling you stop
it
right this at the beginning of of your piece for Wired
Magazine, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and the other tech
Titans have had to fight for their lives against the US
government against their own government
and of course let's position them as heroes and exclusive
look
inside their year from hell and why the internet will never
stop Are you the so on here? So in other words, the list of
heroes is that list on one slide? The guys who sold out
thank you let's say the prism slide. Yes beginner at Microsoft
in 1999 heroes and then up and up and up and up to right to
apple that that's our list of heroes heroes. They're kind of
angling for here. Yes. Okay.
They're heroes. They are fighting the man same.
Why has it been a year from hell? Well, for what I was
talking about before is these these this is what levy wrote,
by the way, and if you read his article, but he says it's been a
year from hell for these companies, they've been fitted
to hell, with billions in profit and billions in value for the
found
companies, you know, or are under constant scrutiny. You
cause they ask so much of us, they ask us really to give up
part of our privacy in order for the benefits that these
companies provide to us. And also, these companies sell ads
against that information. They don't give the information to
the advertisers. But they use that information to service ads.
Oh, okay. Let me just make sure I understand how this works.
They take the information, and they serve as the ads. This
guy's really off
the rails there. So it's part of their business model as well. So
they've spent years trying to get us comfortable with that
deals, and they've been done a pretty good job, because we use
these companies a lot, even though we know that we're
sharing information that in other circumstances we might not
be comfortable with. Now, something new comes into the
equation. Not only is that information being used by the
companies, but wait a minute, the government is getting hold
of that information there. So in other words, like little brother
is collaborating with Big Brothers. That just throws all
the trade offs askew, and could make us very uncomfortable with
it, and really threaten those company's core models.
Well, good. And the goal, the goal of Mark Zuckerberg to
pretend I don't know. Maybe he didn't call the president. I
don't know. Maybe I'm sure you can.
Zuckerberg on the line, sir. Hey, Mark,
what's up? Hi, everybody, what's up? The goal of him to say, wait
a minute, you guys spoofed Facebook to plant malware. While
he while in the Time Magazine. We know that that Robert
Mueller, the FBI director has an office in Facebook and just
walking around. And that the CIA's very own investment
venture capital firm invested in both Facebook and in Google,
Google has a known although the details not been published a
deal with the NSA, they have a joint venture, and Amazon is
hosting $600 million worth of CIA data. People wake the f up.
Come on. And what's happening here, and I'm just convinced of
it is we have these, these journalists who are producing
journalism, which is squarely bent at making the government
look really bad and exposing what is going on. But making the
tech companies look like the good guys and the heroes with
oops, PowerPoint slides that we still have I have no proof. I
have a PowerPoint slide with some top secret your eyes only
seek and info no RF and encoding that with so arrows that shows
how you could hijack through DNS, I presume to make it look
like someone's getting a Facebook page. There's no code I
have no I have no log files. I have no proof of this. So this
is all just Theatre of the mind as far as I'm concerned. Not
that I doubt it can happen or has happened. But that this is
not journalism. This is PowerPoint slides. I'm not
impressed.
I don't know. To be honest about I don't know that if anybody
really appreciates the show. How anybody and you managed to do
it. It wasn't the best thing I've ever heard. But you managed
to take a Steve levy artist and produce an entire segment. Based
on it. I don't know it's like watch like watching a magician.
But I have no power tricks. This tricks. It's not just tricks.
It's true.
Fine.
No but okay. And here's where here's where it came home for
God by this leave the article? No, no, no, because I've been
know what happened
with the C span thing was Oh, got on your nerves. And then No,
no, no agenda, people call, which is wide open for anybody
to harass, wide
open. Now here's what I based upon. Because I saw I saw I saw
the PowerPoint slide. We have a PowerPoint slide. Let's write an
article that's three times too long and publish it on a
subdomain of some thing from a billionaire on a WordPress blog.
I wanted to set up and are good night 19 inch rack was helping
me set up a DNS sec, secure DNS, which is the way you can force
people hijacking your page. And I really wanted to do it for no
agenda for na shownotes.com. Because Because it's like I want
we have copies, offline text copies of every single webpage
that we have in the show notes. I don't want I don't want any
just that's what you do. And it's not that hard. Now
currie.com is where we started and in the show notes that these
are registered this at Network Solutions. Network Solutions,
which is one of the oldest registrar's on the web, the
internet, they they were the internet before they were bought
and then they were bought again. Do not support DNS sec. Do not
support it. Or the old As registrar's on the web, this is
this is insane.
Okay, just use an IP address.
No, no DNS, you know, it's just because you don't know how it
works DNS sec. Is, is a specific function, you have to It's
basically like putting an encryption key into your Whois
information. And then when the DNS is queried, the keys are
used. So it's not just an IP address, you have to have the
registrar. Okay, so
it has to be authenticated at some Yes. Yeah. That how about
if they're not supporting it, then who's supporting it? And
what good is
it? Well, strangely, though, I will not use them. GoDaddy
supports it. But I will not use GoDaddy, I can't deal with the
amount of clicks you have to go through. And then I went through
the fine experience of transferring a domain name to
another registrar. Have you ever had that fun?
I have my guide knew that.
Essentially, you have to answer all these questions. Why do you
want to leave us? For what reason?
Are you sure depends on what the where you're where you're
transferring from?
From internet? Yeah, well, they what they wanted, and they Well,
I mean, why do you want to leave us is not always there. It's
only with the whoever it was, you're registered with? Yes.
Yes. That's what I'm saying. They ask why do you want to
leave us because I'm trying to transfer it? And then you
have to go? Because you suck. What did you tell them? No, I
said, You do not provide is a drop down menu. You can't say
you suck. Oh, this you have to go through all these drop down
menus to DNS issue. And then because you have to get a token
from them. And then and then they're like, oh, wait, before
you leave, would you? Would you like a deal? Give you 10 years?
Wait, when she asked for the dye would be pissed about that. If
I'm gonna get the deal. I want it up front. And I want that
dancer with a bunch of questions. And then get the
deal.
This by the way, here's a tip from Adam. If you want to
register with a porn site, always take the free option, and
then immediately leave. Because upon leaving, they'll say, Oh,
well hold on a second. We'll give you a year for $1 It's the
best way to get cheap porn anyway. But then I had to call
them and I had to go through another 18 menus before you get
a guy who reads the script. And then I You sure yeah, we'd love
to offer you didn't know. Anyway, it's these companies
that have ruined the internet and Steve Steve Levy's Wired
article, shame on wired for this article. Shame on you, Steve.
Shame on Steve Levy. Shame on Snowden, for promoting bullcrap
from the same companies who are vacuuming up your stuff.
There you go. Rabbit. That brings us to what the real issue
is when and this is the great report this I can report
apparently. Yeah, this is. This is the report. This is the kind
of crap that you get from Fox. And by the way, I want people
there's a lot of people out there listening. We have some
older listeners and they would be listening to Fox once in a
while. They had the worst news organisation. Yeah, it's
Shepherd and that other guy there bear. Those guys are okay
because they just report straight news. They don't do
anything like what you're going to hear here, where they bring
on some idiot, some woman who is whose name is Fran or Fran or
something like that. The correspondent Elizabeth Pran, I
believe, a graduate looked her up graduate of University of
Florida and journalism real pretty. She was an intern turned
producer. I mean, Fox must be crawling with these women. Good
looking blonde doesn't know anything. And this is what we're
going to hear. And I do want to comment because this is going to
be my column and PC magazine on next week about this what's
going on with iKON. While the US
government is planning to relinquish control over the body
that manages internet names and addresses. It's a move that's
expected to bring more international cooperation over
the management of the World Wide Web, but it's also making some
American businesses nervous. Elizabeth Pran is joining us now
to tell us more about why it has some folks rattled.
Hi Uma. Well, the Commerce Department has been overseeing
the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers or
ICANN for almost a decade. I can maintains administrators
administers domain names as well as IP addresses, among other web
requirements across the world. That however, is scheduled to
expire next year. And it appears US officials will give up its
oversight role and let the contract run out. The job may be
taken on by groups that lead private businesses as well as
other interested parties, not just multiple governments.
Recently, however, critics have been raising concerns that other
countries may try to take control.
I think that's kind of what I'm saying with the Internet. It's
almost as if rather than admit that we this is huncle B.
Because he
does he does it as you go back into the beginning. He doesn't
know what he's talking about. And by the way, at the end of
the report, they said they're gonna go do to pat buchanan to
discuss This is something we're going to play play
multiple governments. Recently, however, critics have been
raising concerns that other countries may try to take
control.
I think that's kind of what I'm seeing with the Internet. It's
almost as if rather than it
I like this. He's sitting in his command centre. And he's looking
over the internet. And this is what he's seeing is that what is
that what he just said? Yeah, yeah, this is what I'm seeing on
the internet's admit
that we've made some stupid and even some unconstitutional
mistakes and invasion of privacy. Let's clean up our act.
But let's not get away with it.
clean up our act whole
process. Democratic lawmakers such as Senate Commerce
Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller are praising the
decision releasing a statement and in reads, since 1998, the US
has been committed to transition men of the internet's Domain
Name System to an independent entity that reflects the broad
diversity of the global Internet community. And CIA's
announcement today is the beginning of that process. Well,
the decision is historic internet users should notice
really no changes if anybody at home is concerned. Oh,
I this I of course, I knew that this I read the articles this is
happening. And we know that the ITU the United Nations, the
Telecommunications Union has been wanting to get this for a
long time. I had no idea that the way they'd spin this, if I
just heard this correctly. And by the way, the IP addresses and
network segments, I believe that's from RIPE and not from
ICANN. It's not important. That's not important. But the
reason why it is important because they're taking people
like Huckabee and people have absolutely no knowledge of this
and they're letting them spin the Snowden NSA story into a
yes gotten used to it. But when you see Jared I mean what how
can he says it's got nothing to do with anything I don't know
what why they put him on is this is turrible that's foxes behind
this. And then they have they they do the quote from Jay
Rockefeller who was a Democrat and in which he also receives
new world orders what he is New World Order the here's the deal.
And this has been going on for the since 1998. Almost the day
that icon got into the business of doing anything and
maintaining the DNS servers. Here's the what's really that,
you know, this is well as I do this is about and it's not about
diversity or anything, this is about giving it over to the UN,
the United Nations wants to get they've been wanting to get a
hold of this for years, I have been flown down to the iKON
headquarters more than once to be lectured by the guys running
a single you're gonna be fucked. When these guys take it over.
They're trying to screw us the internet is dead once they take
it over. And they have just been so it has been stalling for a
while Rockefeller of course being on the wrong side of this.
The idea is as you get in, get the UN to do this, and now all
of a sudden all those things about not being able to say bad
things hurtful things. It's it's a it's a right censor the
Internet programme and agenda 21 everything, you won't be able to
produce this, this show is going to be targeted hearings is going
to get killed. Well, no, we're gonna get killed by the United
Nations yet well,
that that can happen any day now. But that is not true. And I
do want to set you straight on this. While they can capture the
DNS system, they can do all kinds of things with the quote
unquote, web, the network itself at the network layer level, is
rapidly out of control, and there's no way for them to stop
it. We there is an ITM DNS service. If people want to get
this show, we can teach them how to it's not it's not easy. I'm
not saying it's gonna make life better. In fact, that will make
it much worse. And we'll be finding your virus on the
outside.
But no small number of people that will go through the trouble
Excuse
me, what do you think our audience is? We have a small
number of people, but they will go
through the trouble of calling C span no those people? Was that
who you're talking about?
Why do you have to burn me out like that? Just say you're the
one
that brought up the C span thing. And you've made the point
you've made it before. You've made a lot of times that our
audience will support the show, but they won't do any work?
Well, the only work they would have to do is change one number
on their computer. That's all it would take. It's a big jump, I
understand
what you're saying about the DNS number. That's all you have to
do. And then that must feel upset to Google,
at fact that somehow many is automatically set to Google the
8.8 dot 8.8
that I've seen anyone automatically set the Google Oh,
it happened. It happened to my here's how it works the router
on your cable modem. If it reboots or if they initiate a
reboot, they can set it to Google and then that propagates
through to your machines unless you have the machine
specifically set manually to Do a DNS server that you like. And
I saw that happened just the other day. So it will come down
to that. I totally agree. And there will absolutely this is
about shutting us up about disconnecting entire network
segments,
shutting us up shutting up everyone, anyone who doesn't go
along with the programme.
You know, it's, that's what it will come down to. And this is
why I, I'm a true prepper I'd be you're the meta prepper. I know
you've got the list an address of everyone who's got food. But
I've been prepping myself for the for the inevitable day, when
you will have to have your own email server in order to email
without restrictions where you will have to have your own DNS,
where you will have to have some form of different search which I
have Gacy. I've talked about that a lot as well. That day is
coming. And you might as well let your kids start seeing it
and understanding it because that's what we should be
learning not how to swipe your fingers over at an iPad.
I'm sure that I'm sure this specific topic is part of the
Common Core.
In fact, that's the book I should be writing, digital
prepping.
That actually that would be a good book, I would look at that
myself. Since we're on the topic of this sort of thing. I had to
get this clip. And this because it's just an interesting clip,
because we've got to do a debate around the house here about this
isn't my thing, because this is why you need a ham licence. Was
this you? That was me saying? Yeah, this is the stingray
report. Oh, yes.
No, I'm not familiar with this. Okay.
In California, newly revealed document show local police are
using powerful devices that allow them to secretly collect
location and other data from cell phones. Known as stingrays.
The devices pose as cell towers to intercept real time data from
all cell phones and a certain radius while they're used by
federal agencies was previously known. New records obtained by
news 10 and Sacramento show sting rays are in wide use by
police forces in California from Los Angeles to Sacramento and
Oakland, where they were used to make 19 arrests in 2009. Alone.
According to news 10, when Miami Dade police in Florida submitted
a grant application to buy a Stingray, they told the City
Council they needed one to monitor protesters at an
upcoming World Trade conference. Parking Stingray outside the
protests would give law enforcement the names and
telephone numbers of everyone nearby news 10 said Yeah,
yeah, it's essentially the same thing they did with Facebook.
Yeah, this is this is the analogue for your cell phone
users. And of course, this plays right into your little, I don't
carry my cell phone around anymore kind of thing.
I don't I don't have a southern accent to it. I can't do your
accent. So Could everybody please who's listening to this
right now. Then if you're in the car, and you can't do it, we'll
just write it down. Remember, memorise it open, Nick
project.org. So it's open, Nick, and I see project.org. It'll
give you two new DNS servers right there. It's the open the
alternative DNS system is everything will work. Everything
will work just fine. Except it's not controlled by ICANN. And
through the opening project, you can actually register there's a
whole bunch of cool things you can do. It is the Oh, it's the
Linux of DNS. And you should do that. Do that today. Do it right
now. Do it on all of your computers, so that you can't get
spoofed. Yeah, I'm sorry, i Anything can happen, of course.
But this is a this is a start. It's a good alternative to these
agency controlled networks that are now being hijacked for the
United Nations. And I take your point, and you're absolutely
right, John, it is about controlling speech, but it will
be called Internet freedom. Crazy enough. It's internet
free. That's right. Speaking of internet freedom, I'd like to
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Oh, let's see. Well, before you talk about that, Can I do one
more mention on this this readout? Yeah, because we as a
make good. Do you remember when we had Susan Bell? And no note?
It was one of the executive Executive Associate Executive
producers. Yes. It turns out to be John Bell, also known as JB
from DC. Oh says you missed this. I heard you scrambling to
find my note on the production recognition segment on Thursday.
My wife is is on the check. So you always announced the wrong
acid from Susan Bell. Anyway, he did have a note.
But do you not have his own checks? Is that Is that a thing?
Is this a she bossy? I think
isn't security. I think his wife his wife is bossy, you know? I
don't know. Bamm Bamm and P pitbulls thank you for all you
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Good times.
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they can be just like 28 people with his name or on LinkedIn,
and they just look for the one that has no agenda producer.
Bam, you've got him. Yeah, it's very, it's a very handy, very
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know you have a common name on LinkedIn, this is one of the
problems with the service, you cannot unless the person is
famous or validators are at the top of the list, you'll never
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know, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna work on that digital preppers
book idea that that's an actual good idea. And there will be
handouts. That's a
great idea. You can do your me mail server, or you can do some
ham radio stuff, once you get a ham, but also just
just the concept that people understand that we don't have to
use all these services. Well, yeah, if you want to stock some
ex girlfriend from high school, well, okay, there's that. But we
really don't need all this stuff. All these trinkets? Have
we learned nothing from the Native American Indians? It
never turned well, we might get a casino out of the deal. But I
have a special PR mentioned a lot of work was done by a
longtime producer, who is one of these guys who emails me about
10 times a day. You know, you got those guys. Right.
And they both have a couple of the same ones.
Oh, yeah. And it gets to a point where you don't answer most of
them. But then once in a while, I'm like, Oh, that was kind of
cool. And then you say, hey, thanks. Just so you to he'll
know that you can keep emailing. It's my own little social
network. PG. Kelly. I'm sure he's emailed you from time to
time. And he says congratulations on your 600
episode. I knew he was working on this, but I had no idea when
to this extent. This link I present to you is for the no
agenda show on archive.org. All of the episodes have been
archived in their natural state. I have also made an animated GIF
that rotates through the 600 episodes of artwork which
changes every six seconds. So he's got the shownotes and all
while after today, it'll be 600 episodes. On archive.org Which
of course is the archive of the internet.
Yeah, until they shut it down. Well,
oh man. Just be the guy who runs that he's he'll fight that.
What's his name? He's a good guy.
Forget it. Yeah, he's a great guy.
So we appreciate you sir Kaylee Yeah, Rooster kale
kale. Yeah. Really appreciate her. Yeah, he was a banner. No,
he said he is interesting character.
Really appreciate that. PG Kelly. That's that's cool. And
of course highly appreciate the support from our associate
producers a second executive producers, executive producers
and Associate Executive producers as well as everyone
else who will be mentioning in our Thank you segment which is
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well as we continue into our six six now is our seventh year this
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remember we need your help with propagating the formula as well.
Our formula is this we go out we had people in the mouth
shut up shut up so let's I found a new show on TV boy that is the
future of all news
let me see let me just look at your clips him see if I can find
out which one it's going to be this is science. No no. All
right. Abby Martin Chris Hedges.
God let's hope not all right. Okay, the clip is right this
minute I want you to describe for me after you hear this clip
what was going on? Oh meteorologist
but this could potentially be the smallest rainstorm and these
know that's coming from a building or fire hydrant where
the line across right?
The camera doesn't look like there's a building up above what
you know when it could
look around the camera pans around you see everybody else
standing.
Do I get to say it now? Yeah, you can see it anytime you want
somebody urinating off the building?
No. That's not what this is the future news that this store
Okay, that would be news. Let me let me go there. There's a
YouTube clip of a pile of water said like a little rainstorm.
That's about three feet by three feet in the middle of the street
and Palermo, Italy and everyone's saying There's like,
oh, so this can happen. They these guys, these, these guys,
here's the news. Here's the way the news is like set similar to
TMZ, only more compressed. They got the screens behind them. It
looks like you're the CBS headquarters. And there's then
each one of these people have a Apple laptop, and they play a
YouTube video that they find fascinating. Oh, wait a minute,
wait a minute about is this Iran bloom production? They
all sit around talking about it trying to say well, I don't
know. What do you think? I don't know. What do you think is just
like complete? Idiots? Not you know millennials that don't know
anything. They never did any research. They just play these
videos and talk about
it. Yes. That's the shit. That's news. Exactly. I'm all in. Where
can I sign up thing is is that?
Here's the problem with the show. By the way, it's called
right this minute. And it's syndicated. So the problem with
the show is that these guys aren't interesting. If they were
talking about it in some or if they were comics even. I mean,
the five tries to do this, but they're not that funny. It's
just It would it is possible that this could work. But it's
not going to work with this.
Well, this this format, because it's a variation on a format
that has been tried for many, many years. And the whole idea
is and the local news stations try it is we get these viral
videos. And I've seen the variation. It's the viral video
show. It's even my my brother in law was the Italian actor. He
did a version of the show on the AI uno or whatever on Saturday
that may might still do it. It's great. You get a bunch of viral
videos, you show the videos. Ha ha ha It's very funny. And you
if you're if you're a comedian, you can make a joke about it if
you're interesting. So this is basically failing this one.
Yeah, but that's it, but it is the future of Oh, yeah, no, it's
Well, I think what you've glommed on to here, it's the
future of news. That's the difference instead of it being a
comedy thing. We're looking at the look at the dog and he's
seen
it and he's on the big news shows that bring in the Twitter
feed they bring in oh, here's what they showing on Twitter
about us. And then they show the Twitter people that there's
always something you know, you know, Jack the dog is the guy
who did these handles and they read these things on CNN they do
it on France van cat, they have a whole web section. Yeah. Where
they just show clips again, you know, YouTube clips that are as
news.
I don't know where it where it goes, if either of us believed
in the medium, and we had the time and we were hot looking
babes. We could do this show with video.
Yeah, probably. Yeah, it would,
it would be great. The problem is we're like all dudes with
headphones on this is not a good look. Yeah, well, I don't work
hands are true. Let me deconstruct a little thing for
you here. This was kind of funny with this popped up that anyone
can do this at home. If and more and more more and more of our
producers seem to be catching on to the system. You'll see a news
report, and it'll go something like this.
Boston speaks St. Patrick's Day parade suddenly finds itself
without one of its major sponsors, the maker of Sam Adams
beer with through sponsorship because they say organisers are
excluding gay groups from taking part in the parade. The iconic
Boston Beer Company says it's disappointed parade organisers
could not reach an agreement that would have allowed gay
veterans to march on Sunday. At least one bar had threatened to
stop serving Sam Adams if they continue to sponsor the parade.
No comment. Yeah, for parade organisers.
Alright, so this is this is the news. You can find this every if
you just Google this. Sam Adams pulls out. No gays. Oh Shadman.
SHAN Adams is for the gays. We love the gays. This is of
course, there's another nonprofit NGO behind all of
this. Yeah. And it's very easy. You just have to figure it out.
Here's another little new snippet which takes us a little
bit deeper into who's behind this beer ban.
Breaking news in South Boston St. Gli by the way, the breaking
news in South Boston Patrick's day parade. Organisers for the
parade have rejected a second application to march from a gay
advocacy group. Parade. Organisers say they were misled
by the group mass equality. Organisers say the gay rights
group had applied to march on behalf of 20 veterans, but the
organisers say they could not find evidence that the group
LGBT veterans have equality organisers was a recognised
veterans group.
So here's what mass equality did. Mass equality.org whose
sole mission is to pressure people with LGBTQ Qi AAP,
although they're still in the old school, they're still LGBT,
which I'll note actually have the queue there. This, they make
up I guess they make up this group of veterans who are LGBTQ
which cannot be confirmed that they are an approved veterans
organisation and they want them basically to march in rainbow
flags and rain Bo colours instead of veteran uniforms. And
when the parade guy said, Well, no, you know, are you a real
organisation? Could you please show us that? But what happens
is then these guys mask the quality.org who have to
nonprofits, the mass equality Education Fund, which is a 501 C
three organisation, that's a that's your traditional
nonprofit NGO. But then they also have the mass equality
political action committee, which is a 501 C four
Corporation, which is a lobbying group. And I have to I really
must say, my gay brothers and sisters, you should question
these groups and what they are doing in your name. In our name,
let me as a hetero flexible they are they are misusing their
abuse? No, they are abusing your sexuality to lobby in
Washington. And it's not just for rights. Okay, they're there.
They're a pack. So they they try to influence elections. There's
a lot of stuff going on here. But the way it's portrayed on
the news, oh, Sam Adams. Well, I know them. I've heard of them.
That's a beer. What? Oh, something's wrong.
You want to look at price. They didn't get Putin in on this.
They wanted to they have pictures of Putin with rainbow
flags. You're right that would that would have been the
trifecta wouldn't it? Would have been great. So Sam
Adams just basically got caught with their pants down as it
were, and they're just acting stupid.
Well, by us, no
one else. No one else has called this only week, of course. Never
gonna happen.
I'm sure like, like me, John, you've been just enjoying the
non stop coverage by just a bevvy of experts on aviation.
across here, if I have a clip,
I found I was able to find something besides the Tourette's
guy, which I'm not going to play by tweeted that I thought that
was great. Yeah. I'm not gonna play. I just You shouldn't
even have looked at it. I don't have any I have
something here. I'd like to point out that I do
have questions for you though, by the way.
Okay. I'll point something out. Take some questions. I have a
statement and then a q&a. Okay, you make your statement and I
have questions. Okay. The statement is, I'd like to point
out that everything they're talking about now such as the
overage on lithium batteries, the whole idea that whatever was
in the plane, or passengers or cargo was more important that
this thing flew on and landed somewhere. This is being hidden.
All of this was discussed on this show. A week ago,
a week long before we had all this new information
and all and people have been sitting through hours of
commercials with Richard Quest. He the closest he's got to the
cockpit is first class. But this is CNN top guy. And then they
bring in all these pilots and everyone's got an opinion. Okay,
um, I have two clips. From a new someone who have not seen on the
scene before, but oh my god, I want her to be on all the time
now. The best news model ever. On CNN. Eat Evie, pump poor us.
Have you ever seen this woman?
Know How do you spell her last name? I'll take a look at her.
Okay, P O U M? Wait, wait, wait, I've yet to close a couple of
things.
Close the porn site now. POUMPOUMPOUR A S. She needs to
change your name now. Now she is. According to her bio. She is
a former secret service agent who protected presidents such as
the current one, the First Lady, the Bush Clinton. And she's a
interrogations specialist. And she's smashed she She's smoking
hot. But when she talks, it's frightening you I actually
stepped back a step from the computer screen when I saw her
talk.
Like oh man, she's got a very interesting sneer like smile.
That would be what I'm talking about. Now, for some reason,
like she wants to. She's like, she shouldn't be like, you know,
she's just not she doesn't like men or women. That kind of
thing. Yeah, exactly. Has this stain.
She gets up and eats penis for breakfast. That's kind of what
she looks like.
Well, this isn't just a Greek name. I think so. Yes. I was in
Athens with some people once and one of the things we noticed is
that all the women great Looking Greek women, they all look
disdainful by getting this out to a friend. Do you notice this
too? He says I'd not you mentioned
that is a very that's the disdainful is the description.
Yeah. Okay so so they have this panel and by this point or at
this point it's Don Lemon is anchoring the thing because Don
Lemon is such a who or he'll go on it just as long as it can be
Don Lemon time. The Don Lemon does know anything about
aviation, but okay, so he is and he's calling his shots like,
Hey, can we have someone in DC but make make up a graphic on
that this is what he's doing on the air. It's hilarious, because
Don is running the show in the in the land of the blind, one is
king. And he's got people on who have never seen before because
they're running out of ideas. They have no, no no other
events. Although Gee, I don't know, Turkeys being realised
there's tonnes of stuff happening. But no, they've got
to continue on this. This is writings. This is Jeff Zucker.
It's a ratings bonanza. He knows it and he's right to do it. But
they're running out of ideas that bring on Evie. And only
thing she knows about apparently is interrogating people. Now, as
you pointed out, yeah, I guess whatever you say, Mistress. Yes,
I did it. I'm guilty. And here she is with her expert advice on
the pilots, I believe do want
to point something out with what you said with the game changer.
With not trusting your pilots and not trusting people.
It's a game changer. John, you can't trust your pilots. Just so
you know. When next time you get on board of a plane, look that
guy in the eye and say, I don't trust you.
I have to say this. I was a criminal investigator, and I did
polygraphs. I did interrogations on people. And the one thing I
learned is that anybody is capable of anything at any given
moment in time, should certain things play my play out. I don't
trust anybody, pilot or not. And maybe I'm cynical due to the job
that I had. But I think that is irrelevant, because it's the
human component that being inside, that's what matters. You
can be a pilot, you can be a cop, you can be whatever a
doctor, the title has nothing to do with it.
Alright, I just want to reiterate, this woman was Secret
Service protected presidents and first ladies. And she is
essentially saying the MK Ultra programme is real. And we can
switch it on at any time. on anybody. second clip.
That's kind of what she said. Uh huh. To me, it's it seems very
clear
love, by the way, how she promotes herself in every other
sentence. The job I had the experience I had,
I find that disturbing. She is
disturbing.
To me, it's it seems very clear. I just again, I don't know if
it's that investigative thing, or that component of my
Oh, this is where the hotness factor just doesn't, it doesn't
compensate. It's like, Hey, baby, I'll tell you why can you
shut your trap?
To me? It's, it seems very clear it just again, I don't know if
it's that investigative thing or that component of my background.
But with all these red flags, I mean, it from the beginning, he
just seemed very nefarious. And the way it's kind of laid out,
it's just seems extremely calculated. There's some
cultural element there as far as people being, you know, put out
or passed out or the pressure and all that. I don't, I am not,
I can't really say on that aspect or not. But I do feel
that there is significant calculation here that this was
deliberate. It was very likely these pilots considering some of
the things that are coming out, especially with the one pilot
having certain capabilities. The simulation. Woman odd behaviour,
it's
so that's a red flag odd. This is this is if you were watching
this, you were either a me be a moron. You can't watch this
people. This is not okay.
This is completely blathering. She didn't say anything. And
that is
hours of this stuff. It's just go and I turn around. I look at
CNN, they're still doing it. Because they have the I said
this thing didn't crash. There's no evidence of it. Here, here's
and I'm just going to I will do that was the presentation part.
Let's go on to quick q&a. Does anyone have any? I asked before
we started if audience members could write down their questions
on a piece of paper, and Okay, the first question I have here
is, is from John C. Dvorak, could you please stand up?
Identify yourself and the new organisation your
phone rack and no agenda show? Yes, sir. What, sir and a co
host?
Yes. What's your question, sir?
Now we're under the impression that there was a number of
beacons that were on the plane that kept transmitting to some
satellite as part of a service that the airlines didn't
actually subscribe to. But the the equipment's there anyway. So
all along, they were getting a satellite that was getting the
pings. And so the satellite knew where the plane was every hour
it reported in even though they didn't turn on the any of the
fat features that would
I'm sorry, sir. Do you have a question? We have a lot of
people who want to ask questions,
but okay. Why once they knew that this was going on, well
Wish they must have known from the get go? Didn't they just
track the plane from using that technology rather than making
all these guesses and looking in the water when the plane was
clearly Security
Security? Can we have this was clearly in the air this man is
being disruptive. Please remove this man, we cannot ask good
questions.
Yes. So there are two, let me just explain. I'll explain
briefly. What you're seeing right now in television is
something is being cued up. In some other arena. This is all
distraction is being done purposely, purposely. This is
why it's cuz it's on your screen all the time. And we
had Can I mentioned something here, which is disturbing. This
does fall right dead smack in the six week cycle thing, which
makes no sense to me.
It does. Because to me, something's going to be lit off
any minute.
Okay, go on with your finish finish.
Alright, so this is all distraction. There are a number
of types of transponders, communication, etc. We have the
transponder. Oh, by the way, this is the thing this really
makes me angry. Every single news when they talk about the
transponder, like well, if which is it's basically it's, it's a
device that sends a signal out with the identification of the
aircraft. The aircraft's call, registration number that sends
out altitude. And it doesn't even ident all the time. But it
has a number and, and it is used to track individual aircraft. So
typically, if you're fly just flying around an airport, and
certainly in Europe, you'll be squawking as it's called this
four digits, you can set the pilot consent 7000 that and then
someone someone is looking at the radar, they can then see
this blip, it'll say, oh, that's some guy piddling around, when
the air traffic controller is interested in you, or if you're
transiting through an area where they are, will be interested in
you, they're going to give you a unique number. So that they end
I'll write that down, okay, we're gonna say make this guy
Squawk 7177. And we'll write that down. This is his, his his
aircraft. And we'll keep track of them, we can hand that off if
we want to. Now there are a couple of numbers in there that
are used that the pilot can set if there's an emergency. And
every single piece that I've seen, so here the arts, the
numbers are 75007600, and 7700. Can you guess what these codes
would be for John?
I don't know something about nothing good is happening.
Exactly.
So 7500. If I if I change my number from the 7000 to 7500,
that means I'm hijacked. If I change it to 7600, that means my
radio has failed, I might have a communications failure. And if I
have an emergency, it's 7700. Am this is like this is you This is
one of the first things you learn when you become a pilot
for some reason, everyone thinks it's cool all these news models,
like if there's a problem, we can change this code, I'm not
going to show the code to you because you know, hijackers
might not be able to google it, the code is really stupid.
Anyway, so that's one part of it. But radar does not need you
to be pinging back radar can just track you. And as we
discussed on the show, US military tracks everything above
the surface if they want on the surface and below the surface. I
have seen some of these systems when I was on a Dutch frigate.
It's amazing what you look, it's like Oh, I see. I see a Cessna
flying in the south of France, that I'm here sitting in, in the
north of the Netherlands. They they know where the satellites
are, every single aircraft, everything can be tracked. If
this, if this aircraft was flying, it was tracked. And not
just American military has this capability if your submarine
they can track it, once they know you're there, they can
track it. So all of this is a lie. Everything you're seeing
here is not true. The only thing we don't know is what really
happened. But the that nobody knows where it flew, how long it
flew. And when it when it literally was no longer flying,
and where it is on the ground. There is knowledge of this. Now
why is this not being told? I have to say the 20 engineers and
maze conspiracy nut Yeah, I'm a conspiracy nut, the 20 engineers
and maybe what they had on the cargo that overage which was
checked off as extra excessive lithium batteries, maybe from a
company that makes a rocket guidance systems. It could be
could have something to do with that. I don't know. But Boolean
I don't think
so. I thought you know 1000 pounds of gold is not the plane
is worth more than that, I think.
Yeah it is. But you could sell the plane and the gold now you
can't sell the gold. Nice you can have choices. $20 million
with a gold. Yeah,
so the plan the plane is 150 100 and 70 million. Not worth it.
It's not worth it in parts. It was whatever you can't use you
can't say this is not a chop shop, shop, shop. Shop shop Hey
man, I need you gotta right hand engine for a triple seven mint a
hold on a second. Let me check the chat shop. I just need a fan
blade man. That's all. Now every nut and bolt is tracked has a
lifetime Now this, this plane will be found eventually. There
may be bodies on board or to be eaten up by whatever eats them
up. These people are dead. Believe me, the people are dead.
The crew was in on it. And it was something that was in in the
cargo. Maybe those guys the 20 had to be taken care of as well.
I don't know. But stop watching if it comes on TV unless it's
that easy chick because it's just freaky to look at her
mouth. When she's talking freaky, disdainful. Turn it off
because they're distracting you and now let's go to our six week
cycle, which was yesterday, I guess was the essentially
yesterday yesterday, the Ides of March. I believe then I want to
review this with people how this came to be because I can see
people are confused about the six week cycle they fit now it's
become a meme where every six weeks if someone has shards then
all of a sudden it's a six week cycle no
like get a kick out of that by the way. But it's that's not see
drives a taxi wreck in New York six weeks cycle.
Yeah, you can say so two people killed South by Southwest. It's
six week cycle. No. six week cycle is specifically from the
FBI, the FBI who have to show that they are thwarting some
terrorism or some kind of incredible danger to the United
States public, not the world, United States public. And they
do it in. They're involved. They always have a patsy, a guy who
they've usually honeypot it into doing it or mind controlled. He
of course always has a middle name. So we have three names.
And unusually it involves a plastic Play School cell phone
that the guy keys in the code thinking is going to blow up a
truck of sand. This is and it's to keep the money flowing into
the FBI. Most other things are do not adhere just don't. That
is the six week cycle now. Yeah,
that's it. That's exactly what it is. It's always some some
phoney baloney thing that takes place and approximately every
six weeks because it takes that long to plan and execute these
things. And it's also take six weeks to forget what happened
the last time exactly. And it's about the mic because I think
it's been determined the American public can't remember
anything past two or three weeks.
I don't remember what you said five minutes ago.
Well as for other reasons for that whatever the case this is
so right now it was something should be happening. But this
thing is is become well on like this if you just say what are we
going to do about this Malaysian Air thing because it's taken up
all the mindspace I have a question but he's talking about
this what have we learned what could we possibly do to get
their attention back to our budget? Well,
we could we could fire up HAARP and get a storm going a
superstorm. Yeah, that would be that would be one thing. Let me
ask you a question. Why would
it be a terrorist attack? We're way overdue.
I can we have that meeting in a moment? I know that we're the
policemen of the world but why is it when a Malaysian flight
going to China? Is is missing Why do US naval ships have to be
involved in the search? What are we like the do gooders of the
world? Why is it why do we have to do that? That's the thing
that I'm suspicious about everyone Oh, of course of course
I'm wearing on of course the US Navy's gonna get why were the
good guys is that it man? What that cost is we're there
we're there we're there to help where do we send the bill? We
are there to help
I want to say we have to build people for the goodwill will
invade What is your thing man What's your thing
will invade your country later?
Suddenly economic hitmen and later and you guys have to agree
to it. Hey, you
remember when you remember when we helped you find that jet?
Yeah, so anyway, it could be it could be the Freescale
Semiconductor guys and whatever tech they had on board, you
know. I doubt it too. But it's kind of like it's
not Yeah, I was thinking this was driving around saying, Well,
maybe the Freescale guys they had to kidnap them. because they
have a new super microchip that they invented there for
Motorola. What do they want to do? They just buy a licence.
That's the joke about half of the stories that go like that.
Yeah, you buy a licence? Yeah. Okay, you're done with this
topic. Yeah. Okay. That's the only question I had was about
why didn't track the thing better. So I thought the
funniest thing that happened this week, I think the most
amusing thing that happened this week was the guy, this guy from
The Guardian named Luke Harding. And there's a clip there. I got
two clips, Luke Harding, and Snowden is the one that
is not the guy from No, no, no, he's not from The Guardian. He's
from No, no, he's from what's the name of that outfit? No,
she's not from change.org Are we beat
this guy? British guys from The Guardian reporter Okay, and what
they are and I think it's either he's either in my sixth which I
think the Guardians guardian, those guys already there is a
scripted a scripted interview with him and I say was scripted
because of the way the questions were at so quickly answered as
though they were anticipated. On the NewsHour, with with Jeffrey
Jeffries, and the guy I just don't think nobody's pointed
this out. This guy wrote the book that Glenn Greenwald was
supposed to write he put his name on it. And he takes all the
credit now in greenwall is out in the cold.
Jeffrey Brown has our conversation.
began with an email. I am a senior member of the
intelligence community, the beginning of revelations leaked
by Edward Snowden, of the vast surveillance and collection of
data by the National Security Agency, and the beginning of a
new book titled the Snowden files. The Inside Story of the
world's most wanted man, author, Luke Harding is a correspondent
for The British newspaper, The Guardian, which broke the
initial Snowden story and Welcome to Hello. I am a senior
member of the intelligence community. That's what Snowden
wrote to Glenn Greenwald, then a columnist for The Guardian, but
in fact, he wasn't a senior. Anything really. What's the
impression you drew of the young Snowden? Well,
he's he was a junior member of the intelligence community, but
someone who had incredible access to top secret
information, and who was deeply unhappy about what he saw and
thought he would lift the lid on on unconstitutional mass
surveillance.
You find insight into the mind if especially the younger
Snowden through anonymous postings he made on a tech
website, and he used his name the true hoo ha, yeah. 18
he made his first posting it's a slightly weird name. But these
postings give us some insight into how he was as a young man,
someone not at the left for the right. very patriotic, pretty
obnoxious in places, but also deeply talented with computers
you say of the right I mean, really is strongest political
leaning seems to be libertarian. He supported Ron Paul.
Yeah, he's he's very conservative, patriotic family
even donate it to Ron Paul.
He's related to Ron Paul.
So what he says, Now this guy, this character is the Luke
Harding, who's who Greenwell must be beside himself, but he's
got this book. Do
you think that this is this is retaliation for Greenwald,
basically saying to the Guardian fu Thanks. Thanks. Thanks.
Thanks. So thanks for all the candy.
I think he's mi six because he used to be the foreign
correspondent for The Guardian in Russia. And then apparently,
the Russians figured out why they kicked him out. And he's
been refused reentry since 2011. That tell you something.
The milkshakes don't bring him to the yard. And,
and so we got this guy. It's interesting. In 2007, this is a
new wiki page, The Guardian apologise for material in an
article by Harding that was substantially similar to another
article published earlier that year in the exile. He just
really got nailed for plagiarism. I don't even think
he wrote this. I mean, I'm sure he had a hand in the book. But
this is one of those books that looks like the books that
Woodward keeps cranking
from the pundit programme.
It's yeah, yeah, they write the book for you. Ah, some agency
writes a book for you, and then you fiddle with it. And then you
crank it. And you have this big book that comes out out of the
blue and this is the this is definitely a targeted targeting
Greenwald is targeting Snowden with the information. We had no
idea about any of this stuff. There's a libertarian and he's
friends with related to Ron Paul, and all this stuff. This
is one of those very carefully crafted pieces of propaganda
that will have all kinds of little pointers in there that
just kind of push you or push you over here like this. So you
think like that.
How about how about this for a theory? Snowden is CIA and his
job is to embarrass out and knock down a budget of the NSA.
Glenn Greenwald around his he's he's part of it, but he is part
of the five eyes. Well really the GCHQ and CIA collaboration
there. No GS. NSA, I'm sorry. Okay. Well, then a bit then it
makes even more sense. So this is GCHQ. Okay, that would be
pushing back and screwing him like, Oh, really? Okay. Well,
here's your book. Oh, I'm sorry. We already wrote your book. Now.
I have to say, it can be the greatest book in the world. I
hadn't heard of it. And they better do something about the PR
hire the courier or consulting group or something. Because
Greenwald's book is going to sell no matter what.
No, that's true. greenwall can write a piece of crap and it's
gonna outsell this book. Because this guy, even though he's got a
good band, he's very not in he's not really a colourful person.
Let's Play Part Two, and then you can hear a little bit of
more information. I'm sorry, I don't see your part to Harding
to. Just okay, I usually I don't have
to tell you he, instead of guiding principle was the
Constitution, the American Constitution, which he kind of
cherished. And he even volunteered
Hold on a second.
I just have a bow I'll start the clip over but really, who
accepts what kind of his guide for every American the guiding
principles the US Constitution? Come on? This is a Brit talking
what a dick to
fight in Iraq and try to join the US military, which was a
kind of disastrous episode that went wrong.
And even at one point, blast leakers of information.
It's deeply ironic in 2009, when he's working as a junior analyst
for the CIA in Switzerland, he absolutely blast the New York
Times for publishing an article on operations in Iran. denounces
them denounces WikiLeaks, but of course, he changes like most
young people, he kind of goes on a journey. And the more he saw,
the more disillusioned he became. Well, so
and that's this part of the story that you tell in the book.
What's the is there a key moment where he where he changes or was
it over time?
I think it was over a period of years. But there are two things
which upset him. Firstly, he saw more stuff. He was a systems
administrator. So he can roam around the kind of secret kind
of places of the NSA, he saw more documents which troubled
him. And so he became disillusioned with the FBI. He
thought that a bomber even though he didn't vote for him,
would roll back some of these programmes. And when Obama
didn't, he decided that he would act and do this extraordinary
leak.
And what's your sense of Snowden? I guess his own level
of certainty about what he was doing, and what he was seeing
and what he should do about it.
He has this enormous sense of inner calm. You and McCaskill,
Glenn Greenwald, my guardian colleagues who met him in Hong
Kong said he'd sort of reached this place of kind of inner
tranquillity if you like, where he decided he was going to do
the sleek, even though he knew full well, they would have
enormous consequences for him and that his life would never be
the same again, but he felt kind of morally compelled to act. And
of course, the it was a big price. He's now an exile with no
prospect of going back to the US and read. He's very wanted, man,
that first meeting that you described here. You know, a lot
of this is is is in the IT world, it's the tech world. But
that first meeting has a lot of cloak and dagger of old
fashioned spy world.
It's like something out of a John lecarre, a novel set across
with a magical mist whose novelist John,
John Luke carry the guy who did all these big bastards, to spy
stories, tonnes of me died recently.
He sends these instructions saying, meet me at a hotel in
Hong Kong, next to a plastic alligator and I'll be the guy
carrying out a scrambled Rubik's Cube and of course, Glenn and
Laura Poitras, to us filmmaker who met him we're expecting to
I got it. I got this is good. You hear I said, Glenn, do you
hear that?
No, I didn't go back. Let me hear that.
Of course. Glen, is the font next to the plastic alligator
Glenn's cube
and of course, Glenn and Nora. filmmaker who met him were
expecting results CIA veteran it was.
It wasn't even what you said it was. I can't even quite do it
was Glen.
Glen. Glen. It's very it's a very British thing. It's like,
how very DARE YOU Glen Glen are very, very, very DARE YOU Glen
next to the plastic alligator.
And I'll be the guy carrying out a scrambled Rubik's Cube and of
course, Glenn, and
it's also very gay. The way he says that I have to say that
good. Really bitch.
You met him where it's getting to see an old grizzled CIA
veteran in a blazer and instead they get this young student like
geek and that their first reaction was it's not him. It's
impossible. It can't be him. And of course, over a period of
several days, they debrief him they get his story and he talks
them through the documents and they discover that he isn't the
real and then
so much has come out now and we on this programme and you we've
all looked at this now, so much about the various surveillance
programmes where are we in this story? Is there more to come?
Where do you think well there's more
to come but had been fantastic number of revelations over the
last nine months. We know so much more than we did
a great clip, John. It's not it's not really Clip of the Day
because it doesn't have like, it's not a great clip either.
No, it is. I really liked that. But it also made me think about
something. If if you went you can go to any technology
conference anywhere you want. And you lined up you did a line
let's just do a lineup of 10 Guys, and we'd say one of these
guys is a systems administrator. This is the way he speaks the
way he looks. I do not know a single SIS admin who looks like
Snowden not a single one.
I'm trying I'm trying to think
he's boring. He's straight laced. He's you know, buttoned
collar. He talked very articulate. There's not a single
Come on man. Sis admins, they talk. You know, we got they got
Swizzle. They got swagger they got the way they got usually
wear beards or they're fat that really skinny they always
they're always there. They're eccentric. Well,
I think that the beard and the fat. I think that is a that's
not true. Yes. There's a lot of that. But it's not the only kind
of sysadmin because you also have you have BGP guys who do
network admins, they're a little bit different. But this was a
Microsoft SharePoint administrator. I don't feel it
doesn't feel right to me. Or maybe that is what maybe that is
exactly what the Microsoft Microsoft SharePoint admins look
like, I could be wrong.
Well, I, I could take I could accept it. I'm not gonna I'm not
quite as sceptical as you are on that particular thing about
Snowden. But this thing here, this planted book, in the story,
there's probably information in the book that we need to know.
I'm gonna read it. I'm sure there's a bunch of code in
there. And the guy threatened Of course it is if this guy's like,
what's the name of the book as part of the community? He's
threatening that he's going to be stuck there for the rest of
his life and what was a couple other things in there was a very
interesting little interview because this guy was I had never
heard of this guy and I didn't know about this book just like
you I was like kind of stunned by it. I'm thinking well there
goes you know at least 10,000 of grin grin Greenwald's well when
great Well,
I think What's better is money. The only No, I think the thing
the thing you'll lose sales. The thing that that a lot. It's the
thing that that gets if you want to hurt Glenn Greenwald. Tell
him he's a dick. Yeah, or tell him he's wrong. Or yeah, this is
this is to get under his skin. This is this is to get under
your right this is to get under your skin to get under his
shirt. He's irked about this book. The Snowden files. This is
the name of the book. Yeah, they got a Kindle edition. Okay, bam.
In order that right now by now one click. Buy now one click.
We're gonna buy with one click. One click hold on. Oh, boy. Oh,
man, I love when I get a spinning wheel of death. No.
Okay, by now one click Done. Okay, let's let's look at the
by the way, I've clicked the Buy Now one click and it always
asked me for my password. There's not one click. I've
never gotten one click. No crap. I
got. I got Thanks, Adam. Well, then I have to click again to
continue shopping. Yeah,
that's two clicks. jumped right out of there. I agree.
What let's look at the reviews. Let's see if the spooks are in
there reviewing it. That's always a good place to
spot them. Yeah, let's say you gotta find the guy says it
sucks. You know, he's okay. Do they
have customer reviews? Oh, reads like Allah carry novel.
Really? That's a to be the same publisher. That's the New York
that's the New York Times reviewer. But how about Okay.
What do we have? Hmm, I don't see anything stimulating,
gripping page turner, American trade or international hero. You
expect me to read this? Oh, he's Glenn Greenwald comment.
But Glenn Greenwald say a book on what
is one of the most pivotal news events of recent memory should
have been written by someone who can write a book. Hey, Glenn,
your your alias WD rupee is a little obvious, tense shift,
randomly arranged and sometimes meaningless observations, and an
apparently general careless attitude on the part of the
author. all combined to turn what should be an engrossing
account into a tedious chore of dubious reward for the reader.
This book practically screams hurried into print. Glenn, you
really
here's I got a quote from the Financial Times that interviewed
Glenn
about this. It's probably the same thing.
It's it knows better. It's a bullshit book. They're
purporting to tell the inside story of Edward Snowden but it's
written by someone who has never met or even spoken to Edward
Snowden. Luke came here and talk to me for about a half a day
without my realising he was trying to get me to write his
book for him. I cut the interview off when I realised
what he was up to. Anyway,
listen to the last line on on this one. This could have been a
great story. Heck, it is a great story. I recommend you read it
from someone else. That's what I plan to do. Various funny yo
Greenwald it has a history of doing that of posting comments
on the pseudonyms? We did. We talked about that, haven't we?
Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah. There's a lot of people like
that. Well, I actually do that, but so rarely. I could give you
my main pseudonym, if anybody ever sees this is me, is Mark
Tigner.
Hey, why that name?
You know, I first the first time I got the mark Bognor name into
the public domain was in the 70s. Actually, when I wrote a
letter to Playboy magazine, oh, and I had this I can't remember
what it was about. It's like a two paragraph thing bitching
about something. And I signed it Mark Bognor, Berkeley,
California. And the name just kind of came to me it was no
actual rationale, but I've kept using Mark Bognor over the
years. You won't find you can try googling Mark pugno, you're
not gonna find anything. It just shows up in comments. And once
in a while it'd be a mark Bognor or something to benefit me. You
know, usually, you know, you should read DeVore AK instead.
Well, yeah, Mark Bognor
that there's no other reason to do that than to benefit yourself
don't have to do it. Don't do that stuff out of spite.
Well, I've done maybe use I use my own name. But I you know,
this mark partners are gonna also have a female that I use
occasionally, but I'm still I'm still developing her as a
character.
Okay, well, that is the first step in the process, John, and
whenever you're ready to talk about it, and you can just let
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We have a lot of people to thank, because we had a lot of
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Public Domain my friend. You can use it to mark Bognor. If it's
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the cuz it was very it was very annoying to me. It's always
annoying. Well, just about everything. This is harkening
back to the band bossy.
Ah, we got a lot of notes on that.
I have to Should I read these two quick ones? Yeah,
read that. When did you get the one from I've got a bunch of
them too. I think you got all the same ones but
this is sort of hashtag the subject so John probably won't
see this. This is the new way to make sure that you're kept off
the email. But I wanted to share with you that I hit my wife in
the mouth not literally obviously. It started bad with
you starting off the show with something about 10 sex tips. By
the way,
I alright, this is actually a good note. She asked what are we
talking about sex tips? Oh, which I'm about to tip Nuki
nuclear
no tip. What what I was doing okay, I'll tell you exactly I
was doing the the entire internet all of these buzz feed
and all these sites are all using these crazy crappy I'll
give you an exact headlines which are meant to its
clickbait. Here's an example how to turn Thanksgiving leftovers
into a Tesla. Here are six things they don't tell you in
preschool. Why it's okay to say the N word in 16 pie charts how
one African researcher is changing the way we think about
bamboo bicycles. So that's why I use that because apparently a
lot of people want to click on these articles that's what the
the fake articles that are who always go to some crazy site
that is not a set you've ever heard of and there's something
stupid about somebody No,
no, that's incorrect. These are well these titles are made up of
course this is this is just go go look at the verge BuzzFeed.
They got headline writer all of this but it's also they have
little little kitties and all they're doing is they're surfing
through Reddit to find news articles and then you know then
then they get paid like minimum wage to post them that's the
Internet the Internet is disgusting. It's just gone
downhill it's gone bad. Okay, so let me continue with this email.
She asked why the hell okay my wife is is my daughter's is my
daughter's Girl Scout. Girl Scout troop leader. And when you
guys got to hashtag Ban Bossy she got pissed not to you but at
the Girl Scouts an organisation she puts a lot of time and
effort into an organisation that she highly respects after the
segment she was on Facebook messaging the other girl scout
moms telling them how much bullshit hashtag Ban Bossy is
and that their troop will instead of banning the word
bossy work to make their girls stronger leaders if that isn't
value for value I don't know what is thank you very much name
withheld in this case by request. Then I have brand new
listener here as of the 13th I've heard five shows please
excuse me bring it up I heard on episode five nine and I know
that you all felt you really uh you have really down the you're
really down on women lately which must have been before I
tuned in because I haven't felt that way at all. I want to email
you to tell you a few short things one love your coverage of
hashtag ban bossy. I saw a commercial a lifetime and almost
barked seriously to somebody to consider and I can't believe I'm
about to send this to two guys who didn't know what always was
remember all the hullabaloo about birth control roll well
women visits breast pumps, etc that will be available for free
under the Affordable Care Act Well, around February 12, all
the mainstream media ran a story about how mammograms free under
the Affordable Care Act were totally unnecessary. I was
sceptical but hadn't been hitting the mouth yet, so I just
forgot about it. This is the wrong categorise email, but I'll
finish it anyway. Yesterday heard another mainstream story
about how pap smears also free under Obamacare. ACA is a
totally unnecessary test. At this point, my BS metre went off
again, I texted a nurse in my life to ask what the end game
was her reply, kill all the people who can't pay cash, then
you don't have to feed house or educate them and they can't
breed. That's probably true.
I just thought that was a great lead.
It's a great as a good email. Here's what the part of the band
bossy. I went looking for the quote 66% of the women women are
doing 60 per 66% of the work and only get paid 10% That was the
quote that Sheryl Sandberg and the whole band bossy crew are
using women do 66% of the work and only get 10% of the pay.
This apparently was first used by Barbara carnival president of
the World Bank in 1986. He said in a World Bank IMF meeting,
women are half the world's population, yet they do two
thirds of the world's work. That would be 66% Earn 1/10 of the
world's income and died. They are among the poorest of the
world's poor. So that's where this apparently came from. If
you go looking for this 1986 By the way, and things might have
been differently in 1986. How many years ago was that? John?
1986?
Well, it'd be two that is the 20 plus a year it'd be 20
years 2028 20 years ago things might have changed, I don't
know. 28 years long time. Yeah. Human Rights development, um,
human development, I'm sorry, Human Development Report,
another fine NGO in 1995 used this statement and they said,
and they they changed this a little bit by saying in the
Human Development Report 1995 Nine have developed developing
countries now. Man, I'm sorry, I'm a mess that one up here it
is. It's you're not helping. Here we go. 53% of the total.
That's very hard women in developing countries. Women do
53% of the work in developed countries that's 51% of women do
the work the hours that are worked 66% of men do paid work.
And 33% unpaid this is this is the report that that that was
trying to explain I don't understand the numbers how they
got to this 9819 86 number. And but it's for women it's the
other way around 66% of the hours women work are unpaid 33%
are paid. So the 66 is used a lot in these reports but nowhere
can you find any data rarely
the that work, which I think is always irksome to a certain
segment of the population. A lot of that work apparently is
counted as child rearing is probably counted as work says
unpaid is probably housekeeping is unpaid. Paying bills, unpaid
I mean all these kinds of homemaking, things is unpaid.
And so now it's criticised for being unpaid or this how do you
pay it's like a partnership with a man and a woman when they're
married and one will do this sort of thing unpaid guys also
do stuff unpaid like wash the cars unpaid when I wash the cars
I'm take when I take out the garbage take out the garbage I'm
not being paid for that. Most of the crap that's just a bunch of
taking normal social activities and turning it into work as the
as you would with a slave culture. Everything is just work
yeah, everything is work. You get up I put my socks on that's
unpaid work. Yeah. I if I was a was a nobleman I would have a
slave would put the socks on for me. This is horrible. This this
kind of thing that this is the Sheryl Sandberg I'm just liking
this woman
I think I think Mark Bognor should call her out Mark partner
needs to bitch medicine write a letter to the time
Mark Wagner wants to know where the data is the underlying data
that proves that women do 66% of the work and only get 10% of the
pay. By the way, in my own informal, informal testing. I
would say that women do not do 66% of the work in bed
If you haven't, that's unpaid. Oh, really? Rarely
are you twice three times how many times you've been married
my read.
only been married twice. Okay.
And then there's a special 600 show I had a little thing and
although I'm a little afraid to do stuff now because you say,
and then he wraps it up and put and turns it into flowers, it's
like magic. I'm afraid to do anything now.
You've you've well gun shy or
a little gun shy. Now, we often get comments about our stance on
manmade global warming.
And a whole lot if you're gonna go in that direction. I got some
clips.
Oh, good. That'll be a good setup.
First of all, I'm listening to first there's Philip of airplay
that start with start with climate change on Democracy Now
with the filibuster.
I want to ask you about the all night filibuster staged by more
than two dozen Senate Democrats Monday in order to urge
congressional action on global warming. This is Senator Edward
Markey of Massachusetts.
The planet is running a fever. But there are no emergency rooms
for planets. We have to engage in the preventative care so that
we deploy the strategies that make it possible for our planet
to avoid the worst most catastrophic effects. Climate
change,
the worst, most catastrophic, horrific fire call but the just
buy it.
Republicans dismissed the marathon session and called
Democrats quote alarmists. This came as the US Department of
Defence released a new report Monday about the threat climate
change impacts pose to national security. Our guest his longtime
consumer advocate, Ralph Nader. Ralph, could you respond to
this?
Well, this is a welcome development, the went all night,
led by Harry Reid and Senator Ed Markey and US Senate.
Yes, welcome development.
You're welcome development. So meanwhile, just play the first
part of this clip, I want to play the rest of it. Some of the
actually this play the let's play this whole clip. This is
Hanson, the father of modern global warming, testifying
before Congress about how bad the Keystone pipeline is, I'm
finally starting to get a grip a handle on what the problem is
with it. The problem is they believe at least because there's
other other hearings and other things where they're going on
and on about the Keystone Pipeline, which is always been
in the news. But the point I'm making here is that one thing or
another about global warming and climate change is constantly in
the news. It you know, you've heard a few times about it,
haven't you? Yeah. Well, here's what Bob here's why, what my
point is, and then you can go off in your thing. My point is
that when you listen to what's gonna skip the Hansen thing for
now, but he's bitching about global warming. And so going
from new story to new story, there's a new movie coming out
with Ben Affleck and all these guys. Have you seen this is
going to be some series? Oh, no, no,
what is that? Oh,
I didn't get a clip. But I'll get one for the next show. It's
a huge movie on climate change. And all bad it is
no oh, it what isn't this just inconvenient truth too. Isn't
that what it is? It's something it's
that doesn't have that title, but it might as well be. So
meanwhile, so here I go. I'm listening to Abby Martin, who's
concerned and bitches and moans about climate change constantly.
And she's got Chris Hedges, and he has the nerve to make this
commentary.
I'm sorry. For some reason, it's not going
on the horizon. Why do you think there's no sense of urgency on a
larger scale to address these troubling trends?
Well, because they're not reported. The commercial media
about the not reported.
Circus, it's about spectacle. It's about celebrity gossip,
it's about the Super Bowl. I mean, every week, it's something
new. And, you know, if we had a responsible media, especially a
broadcast media, we would understand that climate change
at this point is an emergency. That, you know, at this point,
the effects of climate change are unstoppable. And if we don't
radically reconfigure our relationship with the ecosystem
very, very quickly, the human species itself is in jeopardy.
What is the name of the actor you just mentioned? Who would be
in this new movie?
I think Alpha either Avars buddy, the other guy Damon,
Damon.
Affleck Damon. Me just I'm wondering what this is. Oh,
Schwarzenegger is in.
This is a Showtime movie. Is it? In my opinion? Let me see
Jessica Alba. That makes sense. She yeah, see Matt Damon? Just
To get Alba heat up trailer for showtimes Climate Change series
i Years of Living Dangerously. Oh, let's see what is this James
Cameron harnesses star power in Eco conscious Docu series. Hmm,
let's there's a video here we go. Let's which we can watch the
trailer. let's fire this up. Of course this is where, oh, this
video is private mofo
somebody posted it wrong. Well I'll look for that later. Okay,
we'll do it for Thursday but Okay, so we're just inundated
with this crap. And this guy has the nerve. Yeah, Chris Hedges
has the nerve to say, Well, nobody's covering it. That's
why. And then of course he also says it's unstoppable which
means it's the what is the O'Neill list? That means at what
point what difference does it make if nobody's if it's not
stoppable, it's not stoppable. So let's go on to something
else.
I love it when you get angry, somehow this angry, it's just
like, it's very annoying. I wish that they had the trailer for
that thing. Why does it why can't we find the trailer for
that when I caught living years years of living danger for
you. While you're digging that you might as well play this clip
with Hansen talking to Congress about the Keystone pipeline, it
goes back to Democracy Now where there's an interview with a guy
from the some the Grand Canyon foundation or something. And
there's a little tidbit in here that will just blow your mind
United States
to approve this. If we don't approve it, a lot of that tar
sands will never be developed. It's we the world is going to
realise pretty soon that we've got to limit the amount of
carbon we put in the atmosphere. And it's going to have to do
that via price on carbon. And that's going to cause the most
carbon intensive things to get left in the ground and that
includes tar sands.
While the fight over Keystone, and the Alberta tar sands has
galvanised the environmental movement far less attention has
been paid to a related story here in the West, the state of
Utah has begun making preparations to extract tar
sands and oil shale from vast swaths of public and private
land. According to one US government report, the region
could hold up to 3 trillion barrels of oil that's more
recoverable oil than has been used so far in human history.
Critics say Utah is sitting on a tar sands.
Hey, we're moving to Utah ever happened to peak oil? There's
more oil than ever, ever use all of human
history and the Mormons are sitting right on top of it.
Yeah, it was like the Mormons. Hey, Mormons, we need more
donations. Wow. Is that a stunner?
Well, it's more than that.
You know what it is?
Yes.
I hate it when you know it. You go clear? Well deserved Well
played, sir. Well played. Well played. Three. This is great.
Okay, everybody, everybody. Although people what they don't
do that much anymore. They peak oil. It's not really a tsunami
goes done. Now. This is definitely the nail in the
coffin.
I have the trailer here Years of Living Dangerously. I have not
pre screened this. So anything could happen. This is the
official
go there. I would just want to make a little follow up on that
last clip. Meanwhile, she's got this guy on there and she is
grilling him exactly like a financial reporter in interested
in an investment would grill somebody because she Yeah, she
wants to benefit the most. How can I?
How can I get this Bonanza hilarious? Should I become a
Mormon? Should I be an LDS? Or I gotta get out? How do I get out
of this? So that is pretty funny. Here we go. Let's see if
a new show times
nine scientists out of 100 say
hold on 99 out of 100. Can we just they just gained 2%
overnight
to be 97. Yeah,
what happened there? I wasn't looking
99 scientists out of 100 say climate change is real. And it's
only going to get worse. So if you were sick, and you got 100
doctors and none of them said you had to have an operation.
Would you get another opinion?
I'd go to the Yes. I'd go to that other guy and say fix me.
These guys are no good. That's James Cameron talking you on
James Cameron? I don't think so. I don't think Tim I think world
is changing faster and more dramatically than ever before.
Not all warming in 1998. I'll show you the data for there's so
many political agendas. It's been so many exaggerations, that
it's brought a lot of rising sea levels so his new world is
seasoned with wildfires
Cody around Schwarzenegger in a firefight. Your outfit walking
through the woods with forest firefighters. The goal of that
guy Republicans have gotten in this spot of dis publicans
scientists coming out of pipes all over the country. That's a
big deal.
does this become the firework fire
everybody thinks that this is about melting glaciers and polar
bears. I think it's a big mistakes. This is 100% of people
story.
Now it's dramatised cool so I've teamed up with the legendary
Jerry Weintraub. Legendary hurricanes
are twice as big as ice is melted was not supposed to melt.
This is a lake. Yes. The world is changing and it's all because
of global warming. I think. Gary and I are putting together the
ultimate cat to see the stars like you've never seen them
before.
They're all looking at Oh, man. Oh, yeah. And bent in the in the
helicopter looking out over ice ha the polar bear. Oh, meeting
the people. Jessica Alba is hot, though, affected by this.
These are the stories of people whose lives have been
transformed. by climate change. We used to have seasons back.
Now we could Yemen run out of water is possible. To run out of
water just took everything away. climate disruption is not a
political issue. It's a moral issue.
It doesn't matter. It's happened.
This is the biggest story of our time.
And I'm going to tell it is the time to tell.
Years of Living Dangerously could have prepared us for what
we saw Josh knuckles
on side.
So 2014 will be another year in the string of years beginning in
their round 20 OR 2003 or four, where it was the last year we
could do anything and have an impact.
All right. I'm very glad you did that. John, I'm thank you for my
this starts in April, this of the Showtime series that you
could probably just hear by the great and these are good movie
people who are doing this. Because no slouch. This This is
top notch, top of the bill and all the and all these all these
people getting paid. And I wanted to do something about
manmade global manmade climate change. Because of course
climate changes all the time. I want to do it based upon the
federal climate change expenditures report to Congress,
which funnily enough didn't get much play in the press. This is
by by law, this has to be reported to Congress. And it
just came kind of dribbled up to the surface. You know, not a lot
people talk about it because we it's better to be speculating
about the pilot of the Malaysian Airlines plane. And I just
wanted to give you the numbers of what if you're in America,
and I'm sure if you're anywhere else in the world, your
government has similar reporting of what was actually spent on?
Well, I'll give you the I'm not going to paraphrase fiscal year
2014 Report to Congress on federal climate change
expenditures. But John Yura you've been a CPA for many
years. Expenditures means what you're paying out right, which
is spending you spending. The following is an accounting of
federal funding for climate change programmes and
activities, oh activities, both domestic and international,
included in the fiscal year 2014 president's budget. This report
is provided in response to title four Division II section four to
five of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, which calls
for reporting of this shit. Background and then I'll give
you a little bit the preamble preamble they have different
categories of spending, much like your household budget.
Through the US Global Change Research programme, U U. S.
GCRP. The US scientists are conducting world class research
world class research on climate and global change, interest in
climate and global change. The USGCRP coordinate scientific
research across 13 federal departments and agencies with a
mission of building a knowledge base. I guess that's a
I have to stop you now. All right. It seems to me that with
99 out of 100 agreeing and the sciences in we shouldn't be
spending a nickel on this. The sciences in why are we spending
more money on what's already been proven? I'm asking you, why
are we spending money on something that's already been
proven? And 99% of all scientists agree on?
Ah, because it's a gravy train.
Oh.
And I have a whole bunch of different stuff to get to This
report is very interesting because no one will read this,
no one will tell you about it, you will not see these numbers
on the news. Here's the report. So here are the categories
climate change science. This is the category that encompasses
the US Global Change Research programme, clean energy
technology, this, this expenditure category is clean
energy technology incorporates a variety of technolog technology
research, development and deployment activities, including
voluntary partnership and grant programmes. It's funny, it's not
free, but it's voluntary, international assistance and
other category. This category describes elements of a whole of
government approach to mobilise a wide range of resources and
make use of bilateral and multilateral assistance tools.
Wow. This is that's web 3.0. Right there, baby. We're using a
whole of government approach to mobilise a wide range of
resources to make use of bilateral and multilateral
assistance tools.
Wow, that is a jam. Isn't that good?
The gall of someone to put that into a report, then we have
energy tax provisions This category includes the bullshit
never stops. No, it doesn't. And it's never going to it's going
to get better and better. energy tax provision. This category
includes tax incentives for investments in certain energy
technologies and energy payments that can be used in lieu of
certain tax credits. I think what this means is if you invent
a windmill, and it doesn't work, and it doesn't, there's no cost
more than it than it produces. The government gives you money
for that something well, does that sound about right? Yeah, I
bet you that's exactly what it is.
And then finally, climate change, adaptation,
preparedness, and resilience, the prepper category. There are
numerous efforts across the federal government for preparing
and building resilience to the impacts of climate change on
various critical sectors, institutions and agency mission
responsibilities. This concept is also known as adaptation.
Yeah, it's what human beings do. We've had to adapt throughout
our, the centuries, millennia. All right, so let me give you
the numbers real quick. So we've been to the categories and I
want you to guess the number. Guess the number, and this is
we're looking at the I can get well I have the 2012. But I'm
just gonna give you the the budget, or what we spent in
2013. Okay. Okay. And you guessed the number. Yeah. How
much did we spend on US Global Change Research programme?
That's the USGCRP.
That's probably a pretty big number, I'd say $40 million, $40
million,
and $2.4 billion. What? Then we have clean energy technologies.
Now this is the this is for research into solar energy and
windmills and oceans and our research
money, grants and that kind of thing. How about how much do you
think there's probably going to be quite a bit because we are we
throw away a lot of r&d, and we did give Solyndra something like
500 million. So I'm going to say 1,000,000,005
point 7 billion. Okay, international assistance. Now,
this is what we just have our tax money, our money, we're just
given to foreigners.
Okay, well, that would be low priority, but I'd say half. Half
1,500,000,000.
Still, it's still almost $800 million. Again, close. I'm just
gonna move through natural resources adaptation.
Be anything? Yeah, it's
95 million. I have no idea what that is. Now, here's an
illustration
to throw away. And let's just throw away $100 million
to buddy my buddies. energy tax provisions that may reduce
greenhouse gases. Again, I'm going to I'm going to reread
this energy tax provisions, ie tax breaks, or actual payment.
Oh, no, I'm sorry. Payments is a second cut. These are actual tax
breaks to companies and people like a nonprofit thing. So tax
not have to be paid for provisions that may not that do
that may reduce greenhouse gases. How much John?
Oh, just 100 million $5 billion. That's just throwing money away.
That's money. We're not collecting for taxes. Yes. And
then finally, energy payments. Energy payments, so actual money
paid? How much you think that is?
Okay, I'm going up big this one 5 billion, 8 billion. in
dollars, he's I can't even get, wow,
the grand total spent. This is not what's coming in 2014 spent
in 2013 $22 billion on research, and both numbers going up. Of
course, the numbers going up. It's all bull crap.
We're on the wrong side of this argument.
Yeah, well, you have to do it right. If you know how to do it,
then you get the money. Now, what I want to do, and this is
the last I have for show 600, I told Miss Mickey, but she liked
the idea. And I'm really only helping a great guy who has
already done the work, John Coleman. And we've discussed
John Coleman before. John Coleman is the founder of the
Weather Channel very early on, he said this and his background
was global warming. He said I'd been in meteorologists all my
life, this global warming business is crap. It's not true.
It's not how
he did a three part video on YouTube that I have not seen for
years. I think they took it down.
So he has republished this brand new, but it's about 45 minutes.
on YouTube. Well, that's where I found it. It's the history of
where global warming came from. And for you, I have cut this
down to a couple of clips, which I will narrate myself, it's fun
to watch him do it. But most people TLDR they just don't have
the time for this. And there's just not going to happen. So I
just where's my I have a little rundown for you. We're gonna
start and I just want you to hear his credentials. It's very
cute video that he made. Here is John Coleman introducing
himself. Hello, I'm John
Coleman. And the name of this presentation is there is no
significant global warming. And I'm the guy that is just doggone
sure that. Now you may think that I'm just a paid off shield
big oil or something of that sort. No, no, no, no, no.
They've never given me a nickel. I'm a television weather caster
was 60 years experience. A meteorologist was the first
weatherman on Good Morning America, and the man who founded
the Weather Channel. And this is my accomplishment, broadcast
meteorologist of the Year from the American Meteorological
Society of which I was a professional member for many
years. I Finally Quit the AMS when it became very clear to me
that the politics had gotten in the way of the science. And it
was time to talk about something else now. Did we have a winter
or what? In 2013 14? Oh, man, did we ever when I call for my
brother in Ohio, his wife said he wasn't coming in from
shovelling the snow to talk to some guy in California. Oh, man,
how could you tout global warming when it was the coldest
snowiest, bitterest winter in 30 years, which was across the
United States, and it will take a lot of gall to put out a
statement as our NOAA National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
agency did, claiming that it was the warm 2013 was the warmest
year, but I mean, it's sheer silliness. It is manipulation of
the data. I have studied the issues carefully and completely
as good scientists can and reached an absolute firm
conclusion that there is no global warming.
Alright, so that's a little bit of his background. And he's for
real, this guy. No, not. Yeah. And he takes us back to 1957.
Actually, the mid 50s, Roger Revelle, who was at the Scripps
Institute that's in California, and, and he really built this
thing up into because he was studying the oceans. And he
really built this thing up into an interesting little research
facility and he wanted to have the University of California San
Diego chancellorship and he really wanted to, you know, put
all this together and somehow they eat that didn't happen. But
he did this paper on co2 Would 57. And the paper determined
that carbon dioxide was a greenhouse gas. And when he when
he, when did it get the chancellorship he went to, he
was pissed off. And he went to Massachusetts, and went to
Harvard. And this is really where the story of how global
warming this scam these $22 billion that's being spent today
of American tax dollars. How that came to be. And the first
thing we do with John Coleman here is he's going to talk about
the data as he sees it. He's probably that one lone
meteorologist and he is a meteorologist. And he's going to
tell you very clearly about the the real temperature as he sees
it, and he's actually tweeted this to all of the usual
suspects.
That's why I sent out of this tweet today, this tweet went out
to Al Gore, it went out to the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change of the United Nations, to the Sierra Club to
the Democratic Party, National Committee. And what it said is
sure, so called global warming. Because if you chart the
temperatures, you can go back into the 70s. And come up to
today. And there's almost a warming, I mean, less than one
degree warming since 1978. And absolutely no warming since
1998. What kind of deal is that? I love this guy. Well, I'll tell
you what kind of deal it is. It's the kind of deal that's
full of silliness. If you're promoting climate change and
global warming, we are in one of the most stable and beautiful
periods of Earth's climate you could hope for and look at the
stark contrast between the spaghetti of the many models of
atmospheric warming created by various people who have gotten
10s of millions of dollars of federal grant money, and worked
for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And there's
the average of all their models. And then here's the real
temperatures, as measured both on Earth and with our
satellites. And, folks, it's just not happening.
I love the fact that he says measured by the way, which I
learned from you. So he in 67, goes to Harvard and has a and he
still has now he has this paper about co2 And he's saying, you
know, this is a greenhouse gas this could this could cause some
warming, so he's on the warming side this Sir Roger Revelle one
of his students. Can you guess who was student was James Hansen
wrong? Al Gore?
Oh, that first year, one of his students was this young man. Al
Gore. The only science class Al Gore ever took, rebelled and
remember having him in class. But oh, Al Gore, who got to deal
in the course, was highly impressed that he
was he got a D, one science course. Uh huh.
Son of a politician out of Tennessee. And he used what he
learned there to start his global warming campaign. He
wrote a book called Earth in the balance he ran for the US
Senate. He claimed that the earth was being challenged by
our burning of fossil fuels. And he got him elected to the US
Senate. And they're in the Senate, he conducted hearings,
bringing in scientist and spreading the scare of global
warming. And that's when the money began to flow from the
government to research. And this was the booby trap, that booby
trap John was once billions of dollars of government funding
was going out to these organisations and universities
and research groups across the nation. And they had this back
to that global warming claim that Al Gore was promoting with
their research, the research began to pile up. And if you
were a young scientist, you didn't have a choice. You
couldn't put out a research paper said what warming it'd be
out of a job you lose your job, your car, your family, you'd be
walking on the streets.
This is really important stuff. People need to I'm so happy this
guy is doing it. You got to respect he's, I think it's 83 or
84. You got to respect what he's doing here. And what he's saying
because this is truly and we have been very consistent about
this. I didn't know if the Al Gore thing that he was, you
know, he's student.
So every piece of information that comes out is more more
indict is more indicting or whatever just a word I'm looking
for. But yeah, more condemning more damning, more damning,
everything that comes out is more damning, and there's just
never ends.
So now we have to add a new person to the mix, by the way I
do.
Which is disconcerting how some people very few of it, I mean,
Chris hand hedges, Ralph there, these guys have probably never
taken a science course in their life either. And I just it's
just astonishes me how everybody gets on board without any but
they're not doing any common sense thinking. It's just I
don't know, I just I this whole thing is very depressing.
I think. What so I think this little thing and you know, we're
past the halfway mark is good, because when it's one thing
Zayas bullcrap, but now you have the story in your head, and you
can say, hey, was the guy at Scripps, he did this paper. He
went to Harvard, Al Gore saw that wrote the book and then Al
Gore bumped into Maori strong.
No, you had to support it. Al Gore had taken Ravel and Seuss's
research paper and used it to start the global warming
campaign. And what did he say? He said, This Roger Revelle. He
was my mentor. He's my hero. He's the man who spread the
alarm. Well, there was another man that picks that up. This man
Murray strong. Marines had become a bureaucrat at the
United Nations. And in 1972, he had a conference in Stockholm,
on the environment. And his whole goal was one world
government. And he used that the impetus of that global warming
scare at that Stockholm conference, to start the
initiative that set up the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change. So now we had the US government and the United
Nations both promoting climate change. And it all came from
that Ravel's whose paper and the research that followed and the
dollars that were now flowing, and man it was underway, big
time
bonanza. And you'll recall that Murray strong with Albert Gore
started the Chicago Climate carbon Exchange, which they they
didn't it failed, because, you know, they haven't been able to
price it properly. And that was they were this was their plan
from the beginning. 1973 1972 Let's get this going to cap and
trade we'll have the carbon exchange and when you when you
are the stock when you are the stock exchange, there's, there's
money. That's the bet that you get a piece of the action
whether people are winning or losing you make money
consistently. Yes, like owning a casino. Now the IPCC. This is
where we're going to get into the simple fact that consensus
is not science and science is not consensus. Consensus is
politics. Voting is not science. You don't vote on science. And
the IPCC was a bonanza.
So the IPPC it had scientists and bureaucrats and politicians
from throughout the world. It had the World Wildlife
Federation, the Sierra Club, all the environmentalists, and they
all got together and they voted that global warming was for real
here that they voted, they voted global warming's for real, but
99% voted.
You don't settle science by a vote. It's not a political
issue. It's not a vote. It's science. But nevermind, they put
out their reports,
I think this is a good way to to rebut that, by the way, really
99% of their vote. Oh, is science scientists now voting?
Is that how we do it, you'll still lose because we know how
you're fighting $20 billion.
And they spent a lot of time telling us how we were
destroying planet Earth. And they had fancy meetings,
tropical locations.
And this is not to be undersold, by the way, fancy meetings and
tropical tropical locations all around the world, the
world. And the scientist who supported global warming, got
the paid vacation trips to these big meetings, and got to write
these books and have their names and their careers. And man, it
was a big deal. And what did Al Gore do? Well, he wrote a second
book about global warming called An Inconvenient Truth. We all
know what became of that.
So now I skipped over a whole bunch of parts, which are very
important, but essentially, Roger Revelle, then rescinds
and, and he says, Hold on a second. I've gone back looked at
the data. It's this is not this is we got to be very careful
with this. You can't be so alarmist because it is no
evidence that this greenhouse gas is causing global warming.
And he did a famous interview and Cosmos magazine, where he
said this, and this is where everybody flipped. Everybody
turned on him, including gore. And then once he died, which is
unfortunate. Then the foundation his family turned and turned on
him and wound up actually giving Gore the first ever Roger
Revelle award for climate change his own family, and this guy was
writing letters to congressmen and senators and the President
saying Stopstopstop I was wrong, my paper was wrong. This is it
certainly wasn't saying this. It was not it's not going to
destroy the Earth stop.
My own personal belief is that we should wait another 10 to 20
years to really be convinced that the greenhouse is going to
be important for human beings in both positive and negative ways.
So there was the man who had started the global warming
campaign had put up the flag of warning. Hey, folks, this may
not be for real question, question. Well, he even wrote an
article that was published in a new science magazine called
cosmos and he teamed with a Professor Fred Singer to write
that article. And that article was called What to do about
greenhouse warming look before you leap, and the article
concluded and I quote, the scientific basis for a
greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic
action at this time. Wow. The man who had started it well how
did Al Gore react to that? Well, he said I made up my mind Ravel
is now sitting I'll pay no attention to that. The debate is
over. And you've been hearing that now for 20 years. Al Gore
won't be made anybody and he claims it's for
real. Oh, he literally turned on his mentor the guy he said oh,
he's senile now is a see old coot senile senile. Science is
in debate is over. So that is the story of how global warming
came to be today. Those are the players. Roger Revelle, Maury
strong Albert Gore. And to wrap it up, I'd like this part the
best of our friend here, John Coleman, is going to sit tell
you what we can do about this. What would you say we can do
about this, John?
Not a damn thing.
Now what's going to defeat this global warming scare? I don't
think we was like, this is like David and Goliath. I don't think
we can defeat $4.7 billion, the Democratic Party, the United
Nations, and the Sierra Club and the Wildlife Federation and all
of them. They just claim that we're deniers and old goats. And
they they think were bought and paid for by the by the the big
oil companies which we are not, don't have anything to do with
them. But I don't think we can defeat them. You know what's
going to defeat him time. A few more bitterly cold winters, I've
turned toward a colder climate. When the global warming fails to
materialise. In time, people will begin to believe and I have
noticed that recently, a recent Gallup poll shows that more and
more people are saying global warming. That's not the big
deal. We got a lot of big deals going on the list of their
concerns is very interesting. Those are on it. But global
warming is down toward the bottom of the list.
There you go. Time.
Yeah, I've always felt that way. I think that's it's good.
Because it keeps us the two of us and the show and our our
producers and listening audience and everybody in between the
knights and the dames. It keeps us in a kind of a state of I
would have to say enlightenment. Because if you understand some
of these mechanisms and what's going on and you take the side
that that Coleman takes and that approach, I think it makes you a
better person and makes you less nervous about it. We're all
going to die. I mean, that one thing you play that one guy he's
we're all gonna die. Yeah, that's what Chris Hedges said.
We're all gonna die. The human race is through. What does he
know about this?
So it's very
important. She's got their big eyes those big eyes.
I think doh DOH.
Doh is a big don't rise. Look in the camera. We're all gonna die.
We're all gonna die. You know, I maybe it's just some trick to
get laid. We're all gonna die. Let's get laid. Well, no,
that's that's not a bad idea. I think I can flip flop from time
to time. Hey, baby. Let's try this thing out because we're
going to die anyway. Gonna die from global warming man.
We might as well try this. I have an Hey, I have an idea. Let
me put it here. We're gonna die anyway,
we're all gonna die.
So I applaud John Coleman for putting out that video. Yeah,
old old goat a good old goat. And of course it's in the show
notes you can find that for 606 Zero zero.na shownotes.com or no
agenda notes.com and you can send that all you want to people
they won't watch it'd be like it was this old girl who was his
coot but when you know and I agree with you, John when you
know in your heart how this worked that this opportunist
from Tennessee saw his plan and went hey I can and this is how
he got became senator and and you know
almost President
almost president that's sure and you know it's it's a it's a huge
scam and it's it's a good one
Yeah, that's a beauty. I think it's a great scam it's worked
very well now
but just just to finish but when you when you get because this
thing is coming out in April when you see this James Cameron
I mean, the man made Titanic come back alive. I mean, that
look pretty damn real.
Oh, ya know, Cameron is dangerously good.
So whatever you you're going and I just look at that trailer.
There are so many I've with television, I've learned a few
tricks, but you can have, you know, 12 frames of something and
it really irks people's brains and it makes you feel bad and
you're worried and Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna die. We're
all gonna die. It's all over. We're gonna die, we're gonna
die. But the bottom line is already only in the United
States of Gitmo Nation. I'm not talking about the EU's $22
billion last year was spent, did it fix anything? No, what it was
really just research and tax breaks, and money for battery
powered things. I don't I didn't get any battery car. I didn't
get anything for free. I didn't get any I didn't get a tax
break. So you think about that, and then you know, and then you
can feel good. And you can sleep well at night that we talk
about. We're not going to die from global warming. But here's
Adam curry secret. Nobody gets out alive.
I wanted to play one little last little clip short one at the
end. Which is just to show you that kind of, you know,
scientists are very dedicated is the meme. We have a piece of an
episode from grim which is about a people who transformed into
various kinds of monsters very good show actually based on a
thought but grim fairy tales actually being true stories,
which is why it's called grim and this was just a scene in the
movie where some maniac is wrecking the place. And this is
the this is a little piece of propaganda to make you think
that scientists are really this really, really this dedicated.
I do have any idea who this man is. Yes, we have a gender is
political. I don't care what their agenda is. This is
science. I won't be scared into not doing my research. This man
is not your normal radical.
What did he say at the end? He's not your normal radical
Shut up already. Science, Science.
Sciences and
science is
now ready.
And that
wraps up another episode of the Best podcast in the universe.
600 episodes in the can.
You did it. I know.
I want to thank Mark Bognor for all of his work on promoting the
no agenda show. And a reminder that we will return on Thursday
with episode 601. There will be more to discuss. Because we are
medicine for today's media sickness. I came out almost
right. We are the medicines right that one down. We're the
medicine for your media ailments. No. We're the medicine
but we're something your way making it work. Guardians of
reality, that's for sure.
Well, that's for sure. Yeah, that was good. I agree that I
have to look at that whole thing because this guy's been around
talking about he talked about a lot of the numbers came. It's
just you guys great. And paying global warming thing is
annoying.
Hey, John. Thank you. 600 episodes been fun. I like it.
Well, thank you, Adam curry. Thanks all the ships at sea and
bow. I'm sorry, I'm
coming to you from FEMA Region six here in Austin, Texas in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
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