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Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
Sunday October 27 2013. Time for your get my nation media
assassination episode five. This is no agenda. Celebrating six
years of substance abuse from the traverse high tide out in
the capital, the golden star state a very wet Austin tea
house in the morning, everybody.
I'm curry from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm happy
celebrating the sixth anniversary of the show. I'm
John C. Dvorak.
That's right. And before we start, John, I have to bring
something to the table a huge problem. Okay. You know how I
will you have this too, but it's been since the summer that last
summer I've had this problem where songs get stuck in my
head. Oh, good. Well, not so good. Because all the songs have
been replaced and I can't stop it. I can't stop doing
it the firewall Come on. It's we had to practice it. So you might
have practised in your head, but it's
really but it comes out of my mouth. This is the problem.
Oh, you actually like doing the voice. But this might be this
might be your
career. My ticket out of the beginning it's time. Someone
pointed out to me that this is very similar to Towelie.
From South Park. I wasn't familiar with Thalia until
someone showed the video to me. Totally. Yeah. And then I was
like, Oh, I'm not that unique.
Well, that type of voice is not unique at all. I mean, it's it's
a variation of a lot of them. I mean, it's it sounds somebody
put sound or like Spongebob but it's not quite as high pitch.
No, it's in fact the cadence is exactly like Tali and I've
always seen I think totally is on one episode or something
going. Don't forget you want to watch porn?
Oh, right. It's Holly kid. Yeah.
No, it's not even a kid. It's just a towel. Okay, it's a
towel. And my mom would be so proud. I'm plagiarising an
imitation of a towel. That's right.
You're not plagiarising. plagiarising refers to stealing
the material not the voice. True people have voices. You sound
like Bing Crosby. You're not plagiarising Bing Crosby. Okay,
good point.
Thank you for your courage in that.
You're welcome. And thank you for your courage for doing the
tally voice.
Thank you for six years of the no agenda show John, the best
podcast in the universe. Any thoughts?
Yeah, it was been a long six years.
I was thinking about I think I actually verbalise this to miss
Mickey the other day. What a strange relationship you and I
have. Okay, have you ever considered how weird it really
is?
No, no. Not really.
But well, I don't think a lot of people realise that. The only
time we talk is during the show. And we're not we don't hang out
while we talk. Yeah, I know. Because if you're talking to
some guy for six hours a week, you really don't need to see him
much longer than that. When we do the show, we'd probably can
can conversate once in a while.
Not for six hours. No, that's
what I'm saying. Ever. No, no, I don't conversate six hours with
anybody. That's
my point. Isn't that a weird relationship? We don't. I mean,
when the show was over and when it's done during the week, do
you ever think of me? No, never. Exactly. I never think of
you unless I come up with some Jim and myself with some kind of
as I as I kind of wring my hands and won't have this one. I got
him
the bastard. Exactly. We're in constant competition.
For that moment. No, this has just happened. No, he's never
heard of this.
Here's my favourite. When I when I get an email with some
spectacular analysis or a fantastic link, I'm like, Oh,
this is great. And then like, oh, crappy copy John on it shit.
Because then I know that you've seen it.
Yeah, well, they luckily they stuff that luckily, this stuff
sent to us copied to me, but do the same thing to me. Although
once in a while, because since I control the I Am the bottleneck
when it comes to the some of the email addresses. Right. Julie,
someone will just send it to the no agenda show which goes to my
box, right. And so then I get the exclusive rights.
Yeah, exactly. But don't you have a moment where you're like,
you're looking at the emails like is it Oh, crap he's copied,
I was checked out right away.
It's not unique, I hopes up. I think that, the longer you've
been in media, and when I first started out, arguably, I started
when I was 15 email, but that's how I was all cute and you know,
pirate radio and stuff. But I really I started getting paid
for it when I was 19. And in the beginning, you really care what
people say about your performance or your show, or,
you know, I can hear you chuckling already. As you go
along,
like, what am I gonna do? Or, you
know, everyone has something to say about it. And of course,
it's so easy to do a show, it's the easiest thing is just to guy
all we got to do is get out of bed and Yap at each other.
That's nothing else goes.
What we do. Yeah. That's all it takes, man. Everybody try it.
Right. And
so of course, we make it look easy. But you know, I've done
performances, literally for most of my life. I certainly all of
my professional life. And as you get older, you know, and now
I'm, you know, I've been doing this for a while, there's very
few people left, who you whose opinion about your show you care
about? And honestly, John, if I can count mine on one hand,
you're one of them. And so I think that's kind of what's
still magical is that, and this is the only time that we have we
have private conversations. After the show. We never have a
private conversation before the show. We're always streaming. So
just you know, we roll right into it. But there's always
a conversation at the end is, why did you do that? Change the
direction of the show?
We literally have 45 seconds of review. And as usual, here's
usually how it goes. Don't ever say that again. We're very
direct, which I learned from you, which I I quite enjoy,
actually.
Well, that's because it keeps the conversation short. Yeah, it
does.
And I've learned so much from you in that regard.
Well, you know, let me get you instead of beating around the
bush head, let's
just say it. Let's just get it out. Let's
say I have to say when somebody does that to you, but it's the
same time you get over it.
It's yeah, no, you get well it took me a little while John, I
have to say the first somewhere in the first 100 episodes or so
you went off on me. I don't remember what after the show,
and you have your moods, you know, like everybody and
sometimes just roll my eyes. Other times like yeah, he's got
a real point there. But yeah, but once I figured out that it
is so much easier. If you don't take offence to something and
just take the information it's it's it really works people
should we should write a book about that
actually, your wife honey stink
Well, I don't quite do it with everybody. And this is one
particular topic this is one particular thing that only you
and I do but I like it. I like it but above all
that much so it's not a big deal anyway, now it's true. It shows
so damn good. Always impressed occasion. Well, I'm not always
impressed. But once in a while I go cheese. You know, I I tend to
learn something from the show. I think the audience gets a kick
out of it. They like listening to our report. And the it's just
it makes you really understand what people say why don't I
can't watch the news the same way anymore, since we have to be
tuned into a 24/7 I can see why you can't watch the news that
way anymore. Once you start getting a clue about what
bullcrap is being propagated by the corporate media it's It's
ridiculous. It's kind of a nice loop and I don't want to be
uppity about Oh, we're so much better than them. But it's just
like company can't they try a little harder
and it's kind of a loop that we get into because we're aware of
everything 24/7 It irritates all the time but then we have this
lovely opportunity to get it off our chest I'm after the show I'm
really done done complaining. I'm okay I don't know about you
but laning
is not the same thing that happens to me probably never
been done complaining I just a complainer No but I don't get to
test once
I don't get into it with people that much anymore.
Oh well yeah,
I just can't you know
I'm the same way I back off on a lot of situations I because we
already know where it's headed if an argument out you know
breaks out Yeah. And it's not pleasant and and we're not
getting paid.
Yeah, exactly. Hey, pay me and I'll talk to you
we don't get any there's no right compensation at all for
getting into a random argument with somebody. Now am I wasting
my time with this person arguing when they don't have the no
agenda background right well, sometimes the show and disagreed
and then I I'm game. So he's
sometimes you want to you want to get some information out of
someone, you can prod them along, it kind of helps. But I
agree in general that happened at Halcyon yesterday. Sir Jean
was there. Of course, I went alone, Miss Mickey still not
100% So she's still still at home. So I'm still running the
house, kinda. Which isn't saying much. And so after the farmers
market, you know, had a little sit down and then one of the
guys who's there, you know, I'd met him once before and, and
Sergio and I were talking about ham radio, of course. And this
guy is like, the NSA is listen to everything anyway, who cares?
You know, and I and I was like, and I kind of got into Do you
think it's possible that maybe this isn't just like a single
whistleblower that maybe there's more behind this perhaps there's
other agencies that don't like the NSA and maybe there's
internal stuff going on, and they have the goods and other
people and politicians and, and then I just caught myself like,
crazy. Stop this. I gotta go. I gotta go. Anyway, all I'd like
to say on this sixth anniversary, John is thank you
for being my partner in this show. Thank you for putting up
sometimes with my irrational behaviour, and Tourette's. And
above all, thank you for allowing me to consistently and
constantly go down to route into rabbit holes without prejudice.
Of course, you will mock and analyse the ones that have come
out but you've never stopped me from in fact, you've encouraged
me to go down many crazy rabbit holes and there's not a lot of
people who understand how important that is, to me
at least. Well, I have discouraged an occasion. No, I
don't think so. Yeah, no, in that rabbit hole when you were
in the jumped and down the wrong hole. I tried to find a better
one.
Yeah, you've never stopped me from jumping down a hole. No,
you go into
a fight you dig? You dig a lot of stuff up. You're out. You are
a burrower
I'm trying to think is there like a family name for rabbits?
Lapidus Lapita Dominus isn't like the Yeah,
I found that word, but I couldn't pronounce it. So I
skipped it. Is Labrador.
No, rabbit. genus.
genus is that the is that the genius? The genius? Genius. Like
it's not a mammal. Is it a marsupial?
No, it's a rodent? I think.
I am a road into truth.
Oh, here's one. Here's an interesting name for let me get
this thing that come up. Rabbits. There's no There's why
the other mammals obviously, the small students who was a rat.
They're small mammals in the family. Laporta day, and the
order our Lego Morpha found in several parts of the world there
are eight different genera I think that's the correct
pronunciation to classify as rabbits, including the European
rabbit, or, or Rick toe legis. cunnilingus. No, no, no. Wrong.
Tail rabbits genus. So it's somebody who's a rabid guy goes,
you know, can you just can you do this? DEVAR I can't pronounce
Joan. Just
just take the compliment. Let's move on. Who cares if he cares
about the rabbits anymore? And I would like to thank you go
Morpha.
Okay,
the producers of this programme, know that the
female rabbit is a dough.
No, I didn't know that. The female rabbits are usually
tasty.
And a young rabbit is a kitten. Ah, and the male is a buck, pal.
Yeah. Okay. Anyway, I'm sorry.
Yeah, I want to thank the producers of this show, who
caught on very early, after we kind of decided hey, this is
real work and we need to be paid to do it. And the producers are
you the person who was listening to this programme who was
contributed financially or the information or both? We have
quite an interesting array of cast of characters who surround
the programme. Certainly the chat room have been influential
over the years man we've had a lot of just think of the cast of
characters and the talents that they bring to the table that
have been a part of the show it I think it's pretty amazing.
Well, it
is part of the show. In fact, they are the producers this
word, and I give you credit for making sure that we call them
that because they contribute to the show. Besides just
monetarily a lot of them don't have any money. And but they
also contribute ideas and thoughts and also observations
and real facts. So occasionally one of them is an insider,
occasionally a lot of insiders in all industries, and we
essentially have put together a network of intelligence agents.
We are the Rubicon, we are the Rubicon. We're,
we're a we're developing an information that is valuable for
our listeners, executive producers and supporters.
Should we roll right into our execs and then move on with the
show we have
a lot of obviously this is the anniversary show. So it's not
going to be as dense with information as it will be with
thank yous. But let's thank our executive producers for the show
which is 560 and starting right off with the our buddy, down
there are 4k. What's his name of his company? 4k TVs didn't put
it in this note. I've got it. Pick it up. Duca Silicon Valley,
David Foley who came in with apparently a 555 membership plus
a six six celebrating six years of the best podcasting
University writes for K special.com. Yes for K
special.com Wishing you continued success and hopefully
another six years of no agenda. And he came up with $1,225.66
which was a very generous in his heart.
And what was it oh, this is a 559 membership and a huge sack
of sixes so he also is six My goodness Wow,
we got 12345 Huge sacks of sixes including James pirates in
Escondido, California. Six Six thanks for the best podcast in
the universe longtime listener first time contributor on my way
to knighthood please de douchebag Oh no, please
douchebag the NSA and give karma to Sinclair, Ed and Chris
okay. And I say and here's the karma. You've got karma.
Keep up the fantastic work. We need more like you just that
don't just drink the Kool Aid we are given blow in Russian
hookers for all as long as the carbon is taxed. Dennis Stephens
or Stevens but it's probably Stephens is 60 666. Parker,
Colorado. Thank you both for your courage. It's been about a
year since I donate so I thought it'd be a great time to provide
the best podcast in the universe of value for value Dennis
Stephens Parker, Colorado at Parker tech guy this will take
me over the $1,000 mark. I would like to be known as the Mile
High Knight. Thanks for all you do. We need more we need you now
more than ever. Here's to at least six more good year
ever have you? Are you remember the Mile High Club? I wish I am.
Oh, good for you. Yeah. Virgin Atlantic.
No. Yeah. No.
Not in the bathroom either. Oh, no. Virgin Atlantic that
is what if you're not in the bathroom seems risky. No, no,
they use you can't do it anymore. But we didn't Did the
purpose
of the sixth anniversary show is not for you. Right. Okay, I'm
sorry. You have because you should be at the ready with a
theme
with a theme.
Yeah, button. You push a button.
You're right. I suck. Here we go. Ah, yes. I'm sorry, John. I
was too occupied with my Mile High Club performance. Yes.
Thank you for reminding me.
Else blockers 666 that six sixes in Belgium. ITM gentlemen, happy
sixth anniversary, I hope is a good omen. The 666 reference for
you both for all and for all Knights and Dames are the
greatest podcast in universe. Thank you for your courage. Yes,
indeed. Thank you, sir. Sir. Grand Duke Stephen pals mockers
of Belgium and France.
Yes, he has Belgium and France we can't overlook that fact. A
Baron sir Dr. Sharkey in Jackson, Tennessee. 60 666 Dots
six six C P and B case sending a super stack of sixes on Sunday
spectacular sixth anniversary special I suspect the show be
full of surprises scandals, and six sexy cynicism without a
snippet of saccharin sentimentality.
That's pretty good. Actually that took that took some time to
put that together.
It sincerely Baron sir Dr. Sharkey. Please give karma to
both your families for allowing us to listen to you
and that's a good point. I think we should thank our families as
well for putting up with us. You've got karma honey, Trust
me. Trust me. This show will pay the rent one day.
David Julian 333 33 in Morgan Hill, California Happy
Anniversary blue reflect your fire hydrant no agenda.
I love this David. Julian you're crazy.
You are nuts.
I love it. So so you know somewhere that some guys sitting
in a shack with with your with headphones ongoing? Yes. Third
time blue reflector fire hydrant.
Simon Boyd 330 333 in Perth, which I've never been to I
gratulations guys on years of solid and relevant news,
deconstruction recently upped my game to 333 33 from 1111 a month
if there's any boarding passes left, please put me down. Maybe
they will have fridges that order Milk, milk and beer from
there. Forget forgot to donate the show for 20 So here's some
value. Oh, I get it. So there's some value in Perth for 20 some
karma for all thanks. Simon Perth, West oz. PS there's a new
jingle suggestion. It could be good as a duo without harmonica
enhancements devora.org insolvent slaves you must pay.
I think we gotta think we got to work.
Give him a farmer. He needs one. Absolutely. You've got karma. To
get to Australia we have Gavin bowed in Sydney to 7270 Obeah
Associate Executive Producer Happy anniversary, John and Adam
and thank you for your courage. It's been long since my last
donation so please kind of have a deep douching Yes, we'll
do that in a moment.
I have enclosed 666 for both of you and a double 6969 One for me
and one for all the other supporters I've heard that na
karma works and and I need all the love life help I can get at
the moment so please fire some love life girlfriend karma my
way. Anyway, gents, keep up the awesome work and keep being
phenomenal. For all our sakes.
Wow. I don't know what I can do with compliments. pretty
hardcore. You've been de dmsc Where's the word? I leave the
somewhere I have the girlfriend karma. Ah yes, here it is.
You've got karma Veritas love life girlfriend karma.
Anthony garland girl and Downers Grove, Illinois. To 10 Heil
guardians of reality and Friday the firewall thank you for your
courage as promised, as say hi again. Hi. That one broke up. As
promised there's a little tribute courtesy of my recent
wedding please note the amount to 10 which is 21 times 10 to 21
a winning score in a game of cornhole etc. And the 10 Well,
that just puts in the Associate Producer range. There are no
objections. I would like to dub this the cornhole darn donation
and request to hear the cornhole recipe for success jingle.
Whenever someone donates this amount. Oh, he's trying to say,
Ah, you setting it up. I get it. So anyone who donates to 10 they
want you to play that idiotic clip tonight.
It's the cornhole recipe for success.
Ah yeah,
if you can find it yeah, nice reminded Adams getting some gigs
outside of the no agenda show. Keep up the great work. Yes, I'm
going to combine that I think with a Karma someone's getting
cornhole today. Sounds like a recipe for success. Not karma.
That's not you. I don't know who is Diana hole Saint saint. Once
you say that sounds like a recipe for success. Let me just
say it.
That sounds like a recipe for success to me. Kisses, same guy.
Selling cornhole today. Sounds like a recipe for success to me.
Wow. And finally, Diane Holst $200.33, she's in FEMA Region
seven. All right, also Iowa. And I do have a note from her and
let me go
it's just one of these women who are just shocked about the
sexism on the show.
No, most of the women aren't shocked about the sexism on the
show. There's only newbies that come along are noobs noobs,
noobs, noobs. These new just because they've never heard a
freewheeling show where you can just say whatever we are the
freewheelers There you go. We don't have people taking our
advertising money away because we say something that may appear
to be sexist when is mostly observant. Yes, I've been
exposed. I thought I was a casual listener. But when it was
pointed out to me that I see that I knew the NA jingles and
inside jokes, oh, there was nowhere to hide. Please accept
this donation and my apologies. So she is I don't know what to
do what the subtext is, but apparently she sounds like her
man or something. No, it sounds like she had to admit this to
herself. Oh, okay. She's like probably grousing about this
show. And this is one of my thinking. I get I'm getting it
all wrong. And then so she donated and became an Associate
Executive Producer for show 560. We do have a show coming up on
Thursday. And we want to continue we'll continue the
celebration on Thursday, if enough people are interested or
didn't get in on time and I think some people missed the
deadline. And so good to know agenda show.com no agenda
nation.com but mainly divorced that org slash and and channel
direct.com/naagin and jump on the donation bandwagon. Let's
keep this going.
Yeah, for another six years at least at forex.org/and, a two
quick PR mentions, which is kind of fun on this show. We got an
email from BU. Hey, Adam. After a year at my publishing company,
I finally wormed my way into the office with the deciders on need
some echo for that. The signers I have convinced them to launch
a beer si P. Are you familiar with this term? The with the
acronym S IP?
Sip? Yeah. Special under the Internet Protocol, special
interest publication?
It's always like SIG. What's that special interest group?
Degas? Well, that we're relatively small, we have
expansive distribution, aka Walmart, etc. So we will be able
to do something of value that people will actually get to see.
Here's the opportunity. No one around here knows spit about
suds. If you could reach out to our no agenda Brewer squad, I
can infiltrate the magazine with no agenda freelance writers
provided they are willing to be underpaid, underappreciated, but
with the opportunity to suddenly slip in, it's to the mouth on it
to a national audience. I would also like to be in touch with
these guys, if nothing else to pick their brains about what
they would like to see in a beer magazine. So send me an email
I'll forward it on to to our to our ACIP publisher. I think
that's kind of cool. As a promotional opportunity.
Yeah, well, you know, we tried to do stuff with the beers
before and it just didn't work out and we was one of these dead
ends we do this occasionally we come up with some idea and then
you know, we get a bunch of beer in the mail and with all kinds
of crazy instructions you got to put the beer aside for two
months and
three hours that's something I didn't get out
of that box it was so complicated.
instructions aren't just open top consume no no
You gotta Oh no drinking at night. Oh.
On the third day, barometric pressure, the 30th of the month,
not not before midnight, like it's Satan's I grew.
So I do want to make good on our buddy in Reykjavik. Break up big
IO. Because they wanted a Reykjavik IO one a day. A calm I
want to give them a karma.
Okay, this is from Thursday show something we messed up.
Well, yeah, it was long complicated note and
Okay, is this the mate good? Just like it was a long
complicated No, but we just gonna give them a karma. Is that
it? Yeah. Okay, good. You've got karma.
And then the most important thing, yes.
And then somewhere in the about Reykjavik, io
and the whole thing and then talking about my stories about
Reykjavik about the women, about the women in Reykjavik.
And then there's one more link in the PR show notes, which I
think might come up later during the donation segment. But just
in case, the brand new no agenda, no agenda droid app for
Android. Yeah, right. Right. Right, which there's a that's in
the Play Store, which apparently has quite a lot going on. With
show notes, and everything is in there.
Yeah, purely you get the show notes across this app, and the
whole thing, which would be kind of interesting. We encourage
this sort of thing we do indeed.
And of course, thank you again, everyone there in the chat room
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All right. So you got anything? Yeah, I
got a number of things. Actually, I
know you. You're the one that went and watched that crazy
thing where the only thing I got was this one clip from this
douchebag from I think this is the
this is the healthcare that four hours of healthcare.gov
testimony.
Yeah, I got the monkey court thing.
Yeah. Playing. Okay. I didn't even clip that one. But yeah.
Because I think we should start with that monkey court.
Congressman, and then I think that sets the stage for your
deeper analysis. Yeah. So
this is just to reiterate this would this was taking place
during Thursday's show there was a congressional hearing about
the the botched launch of healthcare.gov the signature
legislation doorway the doorway to the signature legislation of
this administration, which is just not working and so they had
the the consultants up there in the in the witness box, and
everyone was grilling him and
so once again, here we have my Republican colleagues trying to
scare everybody where the gentleman you know, I will not
yield to this monkey court or whatever this thing is, is not a
monkey, cool. Whatever you want. I had not yielding. Was this.
Just a guy from Illinois, and I didn't unfortunately wrote his
name down on the back of it. Let
me just say, I, because I've seen this clip on television.
I've heard it for the first time like, this guy is so gay. Oh,
you think I didn't know I didn't, not until now. Just let
me just hit this again. Let me just say this again about this
monkey cart. So once again, once again, this. This is good. My
God. He's bitching. And here we have publican colleagues, Trump
Republicans who hate gays, the hate gays trying to scare
everybody. No, I will not yield to this monkey corner. whatever
this thing is not.
I think it's a banana republic or a monkey cool. I've never
heard the term monkey court. This is like such. What is he
confused with these confused with banana republic root
kangaroo court? Monkey? Oh, whatever they say in Australia,
where the where the surfers are really hot lookin? Wow. Yeah,
that was a low point. I thought the absolute low, low low point.
Yeah, it was that's what everyone clipped.
So I was actually going to take you in in a different direction.
But now let's stick with this. Because I dropped into a whole
different thing. Once I hit the C span and was surfing around,
on C span, C span, c dash span, video.org, I think, or even on
the regular C span, you can make clips of pieces of the
legislation. And I'm so proud of some of our producers who are
just sending me links. And if they pre clip it, you can put a
description in there, it's actually it's really quite a
good little piece of functionality. They've got there
for an otherwise horrific experience of online video
because C span.org really is shit. When it comes to the the
video itself. You know, it restarts it does all kinds of
stuff. You could but the searching on the on the
transcript, it really is a great resource. I'm very, very pleased
that the cable industry does that for us, because we're
probably the only people using it.
I'm sure we're close to being the only one.
So I'll take you down that other hole in a second. As I get the
kind of found a couple of things. I was kind of all over
the map. The first thing that you may or may not have seen was
just a separate bit of Kathleen Sebelius who got berated for
saying the following
no, and no one has been fired. My My goal is to actually get
the website up and running. Have you people who
are calling for you to resign? Well, the majority of people
calling for me to resign, I would say are people who I don't
work for.
Yeah. Yeah, that's just not a good thing to say that's gonna
come back and haunt her for a long time. Yes. Like using you
people. Yeah. I don't want to work for these people. Now you
work for the public. You work for you work for the people,
lady. Okay. So I was I'll roll you into this with kind of an
obvious statement. This is one of the witnesses. His name is
Slavitt. He's from one of the consulting companies. It really
doesn't matter who has what piece but he's from QSS. i And
he did a an end to end tests
at the government website and
Slavitt did you personally try and get onto the system? Yes, I
did. And what for what state? I attempted. I think I put in
Texas. Is that where you from? I'm not but I was just testing
the system. What did work? Well, I logged on to create an account
was able to do so. I just never received a confirmation email.
So it didn't work. Didn't work.
I was thinking about that. Do you? I mean, I don't know if
these guys have any idea what it takes to even get that piece of
a process right confirmation emails. With the way email was
run these days today have an agreement with it with Hotmail
and with Gmail and with Yahoo mail to let all this stuff
through and not throw it into promotion, tabs, doubtful.
Doubtful. Okay, so this, this comes down to one, Issue four
hours of testimony, it really comes down to one thing that
took place one thing that happened already, it has been
picked up as a political move and, and is being used against
the administration. I'm not too sure, but it certainly smells a
lot like smoke coming out of the gun. And this has to do when you
have a big project like this, the main thing everyone's on the
lookout for is a change order. And you can have a change order,
which should be simple across the board that says, okay, the
style has changed, we have a different background. Or you can
have a change order that can be you know, if it goes into direct
functionality, it can affect a lot and change orders are
written into these contracts, you know, hey, if you give us a
change order, within X amount of time before the due date, then
all bets are off risk is yours. And you'll probably wind up
paying by the hour for us to fix anything that doesn't work at
the last minute. Would you agree? That's kind of how it
works, John, on these big integration projects,
I think that would be sounds right to me. So
apparently, some change orders came in
to to make this programme function function efficiently
and effectively. And I urge my colleagues to work with us. And
let's work with these witnesses to get it right. Thank you. I
yield. I'm sorry, I shouldn't click. Here we go.
Thank you. Thank you for being here. Today. I have a series of
quick questions. That
would be fun if one of them said thank you for your courage but
never
like to get to Miss Campbell, how many change orders have you
received by estimate and either formally or informally leading
up to the launch? In the end, what the what function that they
wanted you to perform?
We've received approximately eight change orders
a change orders one was the most recent,
I believe as recent as August of this year.
That's Mr. Slab it? I don't know the answer to that. But I think
it was a low number, if any. I don't know the answer. Okay. Is
are you both making changes now with code in order to fix any of
the so called glitches or non performance issues? Campbell yes
or no?
That would be yes.
Yes, we make modifications along the way. Sure. Great, and how
many organisational boundaries between the piece of information
travelling from the United States government to the web
portal? How many boundaries? How many organisational boundaries,
including the states and their access to information? Does that
piece of information cross?
I'd have to get back to you with that answer. It's given. So I'm
not
quite sure about this. This guy's at Rogers, I think it was
asking the questions. But he was very good. And he knew exactly
what he was what he was driving towards knew exactly what to ask
next, because the most important change order that took place was
the change from allowing someone to come into healthcare.gov and
browse around and look at different plans, anonymously, as
they say, or let's just call it window shopping without
registering, there was a last minute change order that forced
everyone to register. Now in some pieces of this, of this
implementation, which is large across multiple systems, it's a
very small change. But of course, when it comes to load,
and, you know, just general stress on the on the systems on
the back end, that is, of course a massive change. And that came
at the very last moment, and there is some speculation as to
why that happened. And did the White
House ever order order your company for political reasons to
mass the sticker shock of Obamacare by disabling this
anonymous shopper function?
So let me answer two things. One, I don't believe that
members of CGI actually made those statements directly in the
in that manner. I think they may have been taken out of context,
but I think they I'd have to get back to you with confirmation of
that. And to my knowledge, no, the White House has not given us
direct instructions. There you go.
So this is what happened. And I think I have a clip where they
both say, Oh, I have no idea but to
to make this programme, this one here.
Before we go on. There was somebody did manage to get to
that page that they're talking about trying to get people to
avoid looking at and I have a copy of it somewhere.
I have a copy of the spreadsheet.
I mean, this spreadsheet shows all these crazy prices. Yeah.
Holy mackerel.
Well, so there's a lot of things happening in the insurance
world. CBS I have to say is actually reporting pretty
forthright about the The not just the website, but also
what's taking place with the Affordable Care Act itself. And
existing insurances Have a listen,
the Affordable Care Act was signed by the President in 2010.
And since then he has repeated one reassuring phrase,
if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be
able to take that away from you.
But it is happening. The President's health care law
raises the standards for insurance policies, which many
consider to be a good thing. But hundreds of 1000s of Americans
whose policies don't meet the new standards are being told
that their health plans are being cancelled.
Before I had a plan that I had a $1,500 deductible, I paid $199 a
month, the most similar plan that I would have available to
me would be $278 a month, my deductible would be $6,500. And
all of my care after that point would only be covered 70%. So
now I'm being forced to choose from a bunch of new plans that I
don't want to choose from, they're all more expensive. So
what's happening is, a lot of the existing plans are being
cancelled. And this is happening under the fine print in any
insurance policy that says, Well, you know, if government
says it has to be something else, we'll cancel, and then
we'll create a new plan. And it's funny, because I had to
pick up some meds for and I hate saying that. I don't know why I
said medication for Miss Mickey. And I went to the people's
pharmacy, and we the insurance that I have had been changed. I
got new cards on September 30. And it's actually it's the same
number, but it's a new card. And, you know, so I'm excited.
It all sounds like Yes, that'll be $90 that will doesn't
insurance pay for it? No, no, your insurance has been
cancelled. And, of course, I knew that was just an
administrative issue. And it took me about 45 minutes to
figure it out. But the ease with which it was said to me told me
that this is happening a lot. Like it's the most normal, I
don't know, your insurance got cancelled. Like it's the most
normal thing in the world, the way this is, is is thrown out.
So I think it is taking place. I think that this that,
ironically, where a lot of people have been trying to bring
down this White House, they've really brought the wrath upon
themselves with this idiocy. And here's the piece of testimony,
where we find out that no one really quite knows where this
last change order came from at the very last minute, which
indeed changed the anonymous browsing of prices and plans to
a registered process. And in fact, not just registered to
browse them, but a lot more to it. But no one really knows who
gave the order. Except there seems to have been some kind of
meeting at the White House. gentleman from Pennsylvania, Dr.
Murphy.
Thank you, Miss Campbell, when healthcare.gov went live on
October 1, it was not possible to browse the site. In order to
see the prices you had to register. Who made that
decision?
A CMS made that decision within CMS. I can I don't have the
exact name of the person. i If I might, I would say Henry Chow,
from CMS.
And are you aware of any White House involvement in that
decision process?
I am not. Okay. So what challenges
arise when you switch a website where individuals can browse to
one just browse versus one where you first have to register? does
this require a substantial amount of work?
Well, it's it definitely puts a different additional burden on
the system.
Do you have to write a new code to make that happen? Well,
well, for us to turn it off, it was just putting a flag in our
system to not allow for anonymous data.
And how much more time does this then take them to test a system
like that once you've made those kinds of decisions?
It just became part of the normal testing process.
But you never tested the whole system, right?
CGI did not okay.
No. Mr. Slavitt. When were you aware? When were you made aware
of the decision that the website would not allow browsing and
would require registration first. We weren't made aware of
this until the final days prior to the launch that final day has
been what day? Was I believe it was within 10 days. Do you know
who made that decision? I don't know. I don't know what made the
decision. We don't know when the decision was made. And we don't
know why the decision was. And you were but it was someone from
CMS HMS the administration, the White House, do you have any
idea? We don't know? Yeah, we
don't know. Okay. So now it's I think it's Darryl Eisah. Who is
who was you know, of course digging down as deep as
possible. And I think it's plausible. I think it's very
plausible. Having looked at that at that spreadsheet and having
heard what's happened, what's taking place. It appears to me
John, and maybe you have a different feeling but the
insurance industry of course, which is which is the Financial
Industry insurance is finance Warren Buffett, big insurer, you
know the money guys are all in insurance. This is this is where
it big, big money goes. So it's not just it's not I
also mentioned that Obama's number one grant contributors,
this is an insurance scam. This is what I'm about to say, which
is why he didn't go single payer when he had this house. I don't
think he when he got elected president, he expected to have
the House and the Senate with a sick with a supermajority in the
Senate, US Senate, where he could have ramrodded anything
through because he had the, you know, 2008 when he was elected,
he had the public was way behind him. And he could have said
we're going to do single payer socialised medicine. Vote yes,
let's do it, and they would have passed it but no, he stalled. It
didn't want to do that because he's not he doesn't want that he
wants the insurance companies to he wants the he needs to pay
them back.
And I think that he or it's not fair to say he I think that the
President and his Chicago Cabal, including Valerie Jarrett, and
all the sky represents the ghetto that they did not expect
the insurance company to fuck them. I'm telling you,
they I'm sure you might be right. They probably say they
thought you had a fight song and dance. Go with this. You're
gonna be it's gonna be the right name is gonna be attached to it.
It's Obamacare.
Exactly. And then they turn around and they shove it to him.
They really are. I mean, they're really, really screwing him. And
of course, the American public at the same time. Yeah,
well, this woman who said she had $199 A month plan, they gave
her all these benefits. And now it's 270 bucks, and she doesn't
have any of the benefits. She's got higher deductible,
everything going does cost a lot more. My son's fiancee Jesse was
had insurance. And then for him, she's working at a cheesemaking
operation. And she lost her insurance because she went to go
do something else. And so she had to take in, you've heard of
Cobra. Yes. Which is extremely expensive kind of a bridge.
Yeah. That's it for 60 days or 90 days or 90 days
a cobra and you can extend it, but it's extremely expensive. So
if you have some health care provider and you're working for
a company, they offer you Cobra, which keeps it going because
there's something about that way you can kind of it's all bull
crap because that we can kind of stretch it just like you're
still working, you're still getting insurance. They didn't
get a different plan and, and it's all kosher. It's it's, it's
a bogus situation, whatever.
Consolidated, Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act.
Yes. And it's extremely expensive. She got Cobra and
then she looked at the Obamacare. It was it was 30
bucks less than Cobra, which is the most overpriced thing in the
world. She was just a gas at the get the call, she can't afford
it. No.
No, it's and the deductibles are up to $5,000 It's, it's quite
insane. So and, and a part of this, and this is why this zines
guy and when we have one of our producers stack from was in the
Chicago area you want he goes down a rabbit hole and comes out
in Australia and goes where's the rabbit. But he the stuff
that he digs up and passes along it's quite refreshing. Uh, he
sent me a link to a story from 2000 July 2010. And there we see
all smiling we have Jeff resigns, he's the guy has been
brought into to fix it. He was the Chief Performance Officer of
the US government remember OLALIA along with vet Qudra,
Chief Information Officer and any show Oprah, Assistant to the
President and Chief Technology Officer. These were the guys who
put the dashboard, the IT dashboard in place who were all
about all about health care and and automating it and the data.
And then and this is Todd Park, who was our current chief
technology officer who somehow is not mentioned anywhere who
came from Health and Human Services. In his role as health
and in at Health and Human Services. You serve as a change
agent and entrepreneur in residence, helping HHS harness
the power of data technology and innovation to provide to improve
the health of the nation. This is on the whitehouse.gov
biography page. He by the way is the founder of Athena health
care
oh I did not know that yes.
And check this out. So remember, last year or the year before
they had the healthcare data palooza? Yeah I vaguely remember
and there and it was like everyone's excited. This is
essentially a place for these these consultants and insurance
companies. And anyone who's associated with what is it the
ABC co What is it the home on the Papa doesn't even that that
drinking club we talk about The American business whatever it is
the thing that that they they do science is a part of Yeah. So
you know that's like it's a big consultant meeting. And park of
course is speaking at it. And I go look at the at the page and
there's a 2014 conference coming up on a second I bring up the
link here health data, data palooza. Number one sponsor
Athenahealth. The guys own company is sponsoring this crap.
So this guy is the CTO, he was a Apparently, he's been in the
government as a CTO since 2009. To tar and feather this guy,
this is the CTO of the US Department of Health and Human
Services before he became the chief technology officer of the
United States. How come this guy is not being grilled? Shouldn't
he have something to do with this?
Should I tell you why I think I think this guy has power. I
think
that's a possibility. But the other thing is this job is
bullcrap. It's a waste of the taxpayers money they he doesn't
do anything. No, he's not he's got no job at all. This is just
a pick up pay off. What did a nice job forever do? He went
around from place to place and gave speeches? Yep. Now this is
a disaster. This whole thing? What would the play? Yeah, I
want to hear it ice as to say,
Oh, I don't have no ice. I wasn't there. I don't have ice
it. Oh,
I thought I said was it there? Oh, no, no, no ice is taking
is taking meetings with these consultants digging in. And
everyone knows it. But no one knows. That's why they're asking
these consultants will what? What did you find out? What does
Eisah know that? We don't know? Did this order come from the
White House? Now here's what we have a lot of really smart
people who listen to the show. And I got some analysis that I
went oh, well, of course. So now we have that. So Zeiss is
brought in now this guy has been in before I believe that these
guys were all in. They knew this was coming, of course in 2010.
So we had the Indian Cabal, as we've called them. They set
everything up. They set up there outside guys included. Yeah, the
advisory board Corporation and the advisory board Corporation.
What they do is they're consultants to the healthcare
industry. And they were getting the in fact, I have a little
little clip here. From let me see if I can find the the title
of the clip is are is your company insurance company ready
for the patient tsunami. So they were preparing everybody because
they saw this as a huge boondoggle big, big, big money
coming in
24 million people are going to burst through your front door,
will you be ready for them. Insurance companies are already
competing just to be listed on the exchanges. And their plans
are going to be ranked to make comparison shopping easier.
See, they knew it was going to be great.
When the exchanges go live, it can net the insurance companies
24 million new customers who will then become your new
patients. And these patients may be young have a limited
education or speak a language other than English. They may
even have unmanaged or undiagnosed chronic conditions
and minimal experience with preventive and elective care.
Pretty interesting what they were preparing this, this is for
the health care providers I guess what they were preparing
them for not the people you're seeing standing next to the
president apparently on television. But for immigrants
who don't speak English who are sick. Very interesting what this
advisory board corporation doing so it's all these guys set
everything up and ready for the big the big Bonanza they got out
and they went to companies where they can go you know, make money
off their stock options or whatever. And then Oh crap.
Someone effed it up. Now they're coming back in and trying to fix
stuff. But here's, here's the analysis I got. We have this
deadline now. November 30. It's going to work. Right, which is
another it's one of those things. Rule number one in
management of these projects. Never ever do that. Don't say
it's gonna be done by a certain date. It's just It's dumb. It's
really you. That's what you do soft launch. Beta. public beta
is a million ways we mask this stuff. You don't say it'll work?
Let I'm going to presume that and if this is not the case,
then I would be not just highly surprised will be flabbergasted.
I'm going to presume that across the board before this change
order came in when things were working 10 days before. Perhaps
the White House said, oh my goodness, we can't have people
just seeing all these prices. We have to have registration and
slow down the process and get them in before we show them
anything. I wouldn't be surprised if not none of these
companies were using a versioning system. So you It
should be very easy to say, Guess what, let's all roll back
to 10 days before the rollout and deploy, it should work.
That's how software is built in the Big Boy world.
Yeah, well, let's I got a clip here we have to have I wasn't
gonna play it, but now I want to play it, which is that we're not
dealing with what you and I and Pete most of our listeners, it's
a monkey court. kind of understand. plake Clay Johnson,
who Clay Johnson is a was a member of the Obama
administration. And he he also is enough. He's a developer that
that put together the original 2008 Before he got became a
member of government then I guess got ousted. In 2008, put
together the Obama websites. And he is talking on Democracy Now
about the situation.
Well, government doesn't have a lot of people to choose from
when they're looking for contractors to build this stuff.
And I think part of the problem is that the same people that are
building drones are building websites. When government is
building a website like this, they have to use a system called
procurement, which is about 1800 pages worth of regulation that
all but ensures that the people who are building this stuff are
the people with the best lawyers, not the people with the
best programmers. And so you have this sort of fundamental
lack of talent amongst the contractor ecosystem. That's
building the stuff that it's bound to be bad work. That
combined with the fact that in 1996, Congress lobotomized
itself by getting rid of its technology think tank called the
technology assessment office. So when they're writing bills, they
don't understand the technology that they're requiring in their
laws. This is what you get when you have a Congress that is
basically brainless on technology and government who
can only pick from a few old stodgy contractors, you're bound
to have this result. And in fact, the standards group came
out earlier this week and pointed out that over for all
procurements over $10,000,000.90 4% of them fail.
Yeah, I'm still not buying a no versioning system
implementation. That seems very unlikely to me. It seems like
this should be able to be rolled back to when it was working.
Yeah, I'm dime I am on the opposite side of this argument.
I'm with this guy. Really, there is no version and they would
have done
really fine. You're telling me there's no versioning?
Yeah, that's what I'm telling you.
How can work this four hours of testimony? How come there's not
one single single representative of our government? who represent
you in the in the People's Republic of California or me in
the great nation of Texas? Because we're always a nation
that can ask this simple question.
Well, I think we're now that's you brought it up. You can play
Clay Johnson, part two. What about CGI the main contractor
here? Did you have any experience with their track
record in the past?
I've never worked with them directly. But I can tell you
from watching the hearing yesterday, that from a
technologist point of view, both the questions from Congress were
sort of absurd, and not particularly helpful. And the
answers from the contractors were also just demonstrably
ignorant of the technology that they were managing. And so you
have this these bizarre exchanges where, you know, a
member of Congress is asking the the vice president of CGI
federal about code inside of the website that isn't even being
displayed, and isn't even relevant to the user. And CG and
the VP of CGI federal not even recognising that it's not
displayed and not even relevant to the user is this really
baffling set of exchanges? It's like watching my one year old
argue with my cat.
Yeah, no, I'm with him on that, too. on his side? Yeah, these
are these are managers. Yeah. It's very typical. It's very,
very typical of a project like this. But if I just like to know
can someone can someone who gets out of the house, which should
not be URI? Because No, we just armchair it. Could someone
please ask these some this simple question. Is there not a
versioning system? And hopefully, I mean, listen,
GitHub. Hello. GitHub would be great. It's free.
They're not I would you put money on them not using GitHub
and I didn't want to do I know I know that. GitHub was developed
by Linus Torvalds as the de facto versioning system for all
All modern software developing
and and a lot of what they would need is actually in this. I
mean, there's, there's lots of different versioning systems you
can use, and I'm sure they would never use a public system like
GitHub, then you know, they would use any other number of
systems and maybe steal something from the mainframe
world, I don't know. But that is this. That's how you do it. I
mean, that is that is very, that is basic, even I know this, too,
they can't roll it back to pre the change orders, then then
forget about it, then then November 3, eight is not going
to happen either. And what I'm hearing, interestingly enough,
is a lot of noise out of Washington, DC, saying that this
is all going to drive single payer health care. Have you
heard this at all?
Yeah, this is a subtext. In fact, even Sean Hannity on one
of his shows,
if this is why I'm suspicious, because I'm thinking that this
is when he's
advocating it. No, no, he was just saying it and yeah, I don't
know what what your suspicions what were they stammer, what
were you think they're headed? But yes, the right wing is
talking about this. I'd haven't heard Rush Limbaugh say
anything. Yeah, no, no, he's he's also saying it apparently.
Okay. That wouldn't surprise me.
Now. Explain why. Explain. Just so we understand what is what is
single? What is the difference between what is being shown now
and single payer? And why would the right wing be against it?
Well, the right wing, why would they be against it as the the
interesting question,
for more? Why would they be maybe they're not? Maybe they're
propagating? And
I don't think so because we're single payer is essentially,
here's, I'll explain for people who don't know, most people, I
think do but single payer is essentially the model of
Medicare, it is government healthcare, essentially, you go
to the doctor, or you go to a hospital, and you show your
Medicare card, and then the the the single payer is the
government. And so everything is based on a fee schedule. So you
can't, you can't take the price of some pill, and then triple
the price because you know that insurance companies are gonna
pay it because they will and that's what's been going on with
the healthcare going up is because the Big Pharma is just
gouging but arguably Medicaid and or Medicare is doing the
same thing. Medicare Medicaid many, many different but
Medicare is is paying those prices to no no Medicare
is paying. Medicare is paying some of it the Medicare though
if you ever get the pure single, that's because they they're
fighting against the there's a big fight going on. Because you
can't have this mixed system with kind of single payer on the
one hand, and then open warfare on the other with these all
these insurance companies. So what would happen with one
single payer when in place, which means it would be said
some people call it Medicare for everybody. Some people just
simply call it single payer, which means it's all coming from
one pot. When it's all coming from one pot, the government can
say, wait a minute, why are you doubling the price of this
product out of the blue? I get it,
I get it, I get it. Now, I know why the Republicans are using
this as leverage. They're floating this to probably to get
money out of the insurance companies to say, oh, you know,
this is such a debacle. You know, we could push towards
single payer, but you're not going to like that. Maybe you
should be financing my 2014 re election Ron,
that's a cynical approach. Probably right. Geez, you may
have nailed that, Gee, why exactly. I would explain a lot
of it because the way single payer is being dropped into the
there was a woman on there's a couple of, of organisations that
are promoting single payer, and single payer was the thing that
Obama, like I said a few minutes ago could have pushed through
right away, and it would have been over the whole fight would
have been done. And I met a quick question.
In the single payer system, how is the money to pay for this
extracted from the citizenry? Taxes just pure taxes, is it
well, no, it's taxes and it's a combination of taxes and a fee.
So if you're a Medicare recipient, you have to pay in
it's it's very little money it's like a couple 100 bucks, which
amounts to attacks, additional tax for you because you're out
essentially you can take you what right now right hold on a
second right now you can't take Medicare out of the general
funds because it's only applicable to a few people in
the in the population if it becomes applicable to everybody.
In other words, that would be called Medicare for All then
there wouldn't be anything it would be come straight out of
the tax pot.
So it's, it's very similar. So a single payer for on system would
be like the British
Health System, or Canada, Canada is a better example. Right?
Because
the Netherlands is offered now the Netherlands, the Netherlands
now effectively has Obamacare. They actually rolled it out
successfully.
Right, but we know Oh, that the Netherlands as you've said over
and over again, our problems are the closest thing to more
corrupt and it's horrible, horribly. So they, for the for
the Dutch to go off of single payer to this kind of thing,
which is a gouge system is it's it's unconscionable and we saw
it happen we saw it happen when we were member we admit Ms.
McKee was stuck in exile. The the changeover date was January
1 2013. And we saw all the ads and it was it was slick man, it
was it was really, really slick. But they had the it part worked.
Of course, that was done, you know, everything. I mean, the
Dutch government, I think it's just a bunch of guys who sit
there in the in Parliament, everything is commercial, and
everything. But the Dutch people have no idea. And then we look
and everyone's paying more their their services are less doctors
are leaving the profession is exactly what Obamacare is
exactly the same except the Dutch are just silent. Let's
argue about Black Pete. Okay, all right. So this is very
interesting, because I know you notice that and I noticed and
like, hey, wait a minute, there's all this. This is going
towards single payer, everyone's kind of talking about it. So
this must be the leverage. And it's, it's possible. I'm not
quite sure where the leverage is or who has it? Well,
I can say this. Single payer has been talked about for 20 years.
Right. And it's used and it is not to mention it, I think it's
always been used. And I think maybe Obama got a lot of that
millions and millions of dollars from the insurance companies by
hint, because he was a single payer guy, right? He says, Yeah.
And so why would he all of us if he's for single payer, why do
all these insurance companies, why are they coughing up all
this money? Because they're out of business, what single payer
goes through, they would be absorbed, it'd be it would be a
pass through, it would take a while it wouldn't be overnight,
they'd be shut down. But they're doomed. Right? So why would
Obama who's this who ran essentially on a single payer
message? Why would he gets so much money from insurance
companies, and then not execute single payer? This is not, you
know, he obviously, they leverage the insurance game, he
said, Look, here's what we're going to do. But wait, what, you
know, maybe we can put this off, you know, we could use some
money in the campaign coffers, when wouldn't hurt anybody?
Worst case scenario, you know, doesn't work out for you, but
good chance that it might
be interesting. I personally think would be better to have a
single payer system, it seems like I've always felt that way.
You know, it's funny, because we have, there are certain things
in America that I'll call capitalistic socialism. In the
other day, the only one in all of Texas, as far as I know, is
the Weeksville food Co Op. And I don't know if people are
familiar with the concept of a co op. But I like it Am I nuts
to like this and like some kind of commie now that I like this
call, you've always
been something of a commie. But just because you're from
Holland. Although they don't seem to be holding up their end
of the deal, let me actually know the co ops are very popular
in California and they've been popping their get very popular
during the Depression depressions. Now in France, for
example, co ops are part of the culture, they're built into
everything. And in fact, if you go to a wine growing area, there
will generally be one or two, or sometimes even more co ops in
and in famous wine growing areas. As a matter of fact, you
go to San Tamiya on this is number of coops. And the co ops
are for the very small growers who eke out a living, they bring
all their grapes into the coop, and they can either bottle it
under their own label at the Co Op, it would it would free help
from the end consultants and all the rest of it, or they can put
it into a into a blend of other grey everybody, a whole bunch of
these get put in then they all share in the profits from some
regional wine. And this has been a way of doing business forever.
In France, it's extremely Co Op oriented. We come in and out of
it, because people we all we can't can you compete with that?
It's unfair to small businesses.
This is a small business. That's what I like. And let me explain
for people who don't know talking about so this Weeksville
Co Op, they have two stores in Austin, it's a grocery store.
It's and it's it's kind of a mix between what we call heb here,
which is just like Ralph's in LA or you know, kind of like a
regular convenience store and a whole foods. But the prices are
in some cases, interestingly enough, cheaper than the market
where the same products are sold by the producers. So for
instance, the pickles that I get, and the rattlesnake oil is
80 cents cheaper at the store, then the actual people who make
it who sell it at the Austin farmers market. Now this of
course has As refund because of bulk, etc. And the way it works
is you can walk into the store and just buy whatever you want.
And you don't have to be a member or anything or an owner
as they call it. But if you become an owner, then you have a
vote and one owner, one vote, you vote on the board members,
and you vote on what what is done with the profits. And it's
it's a very simple majority, no representative, no
representative stuff or anything like that. It's ever you own you
own one share. And you get one vote, and the majority vote
wins. And it's really nice, because you do feel like you
have some kind of influence. And the prices are good. And it
typically has the products you want. And and everyone's nice to
me. That's my favourite part. Hello,
that's weird.
Hello. Are you an owner? Why yes, I am. Here's my owner card.
Oh, so nice. And I say how you doing today, Rachel? Well, I
thanks, owner. And yeah, so they they're not in it for profit.
They're in it for growth, certainly, but not for insane
growth. And I have to say, I think it's, I think it's a very
nice system. And I don't think it's, well, anti American.
This is funny, I can't think of the name of this operation
called veniam, or some crazy thing like that. And they just
had a meeting, they have this meeting, where it's a co op like
organisation is actually done out of France. And it's a co op
for making wine from everyone contributes a certain amount of
grapes. But it's it's making a one or two barrels of wine. And
the people that are in the coop are all billionaires. And the
whole reason for the co op is so they can have their own label
their own wine that they gets claimed that they blended. Well,
of course, this all this is the opposite. purposes. Right.
Right.
Well, then there's that. Yeah, then there's that. Well, anyway,
so I think I'm at heart I'm kind of a single payer guy. All I
know is that every it's messed up. I know. It's I know, that
all it seems better than this. And all I say yes. And all I see
happening is a general practitioners leaving just
leaving leaving the practice of medicine because they're being
replaced by your health care provider, which is pretty much a
registered nurse, nothing against registered nurses.
They're great, but a registered nurse who is applying the band
aid. And for this, you have to go see a specialist. And the
specialists are going to start making out like bandits. But the
whole thing is it's it's very, it's wrong. Everything is wrong
about this. And meanwhile, just to move it along a little bit.
Here's a John Kerry, our Secretary of State pontificating
about how awesome we really are. I've
often said that America is not exceptional, because we talk
about ourselves as being exceptional, and beat our chests
and stand up and say, We're exceptional. It's not because we
say we are. It's because we do exceptional things. And we've
always done that were the nation that defeated the Axis powers
and then invested billions of dollars in their recovery. And
we never asked to be paid back.
Alright, so I just playing this for a reason to say
we have lots of asking to be paid back things going on. I'm
playing it always asked to be paid. But
I know, I'm playing this to say what you know, our government is
lame, not our system. But the execution, I'm sorry. And now
we'll get down to the hole I was in. So example, right here is
this healthcare thing, which is just very typical of our
exceptionalism where we exceptionally suck in a lot of
things that we've allowed our government to take over. And
this is a great example. Now the other thing is this whole NSA
spying business and this is kind of what I what I fell on. While
looking at the health care stuff. I don't know if you saw
this, but the Emperor hair Kaiser Alexander did an
interview or with a Department of Defence blogger. Did you see
this? Oh, I'm so happy. Okay. Yes, no, no, he did an interview
with the Department of Defence blogger. Now, let me explain a
few things. When you do an interview, where you control the
interviewer, it's called propaganda. It's not called
journalism or an interview or anything like that. Now the I
Spy no lie is the title of the blog post. And this was done by
Jessica Tozer who blogs for the Department of Defence and it's
it gets even better because This 30 minute interview which of
course was edited consists of hair Keyser Alexander sitting on
a chair in his in like a corner of his command centre. With I
heard her questions are not heard there's title cards She's
just sitting in the chair now you don't even hear ask a single
question. And throughout the entire thing they've put like
some Star Trek space music in the background like this is
going to ease me at listening to his answers. And at the end of
this interview, and I'd actually went back and found another clip
from him. I am going to tell you that not only is Keyser
Alexander a maniacal megalomaniac insane, bumbling,
moronic idiot. I don't think he has any of the capabilities that
are being leaked. I think that he is playing in a sandbox. I
think he is afraid of other people in government, which I
can pretty much prove. And he is just an overgrown douchebag who
I think is probably lying about what he can do at all. The man
is not well in his head.
Plug has a funny look about him that ball.
Well, let's look I made really short clips in general all about
40 seconds. And but I do have a couple because this was a 30
minute interview and I just I was astounded. I had instead of
pulling clips, I recorded the whole thing and had to cut it up
because it's just too much this guy is saying that proves he is
not a right in his head.
Because America, the United States runs on cyber. You know,
we do our banking online. We have all everybody has iPhones,
you have iPads, you have computers, computer networks,
the finance industry runs on computer networks.
We hear this music.
What's the point of that? It sounds like some sort of a cheap
house. It has a funny eerie quality various doors like some
sort of Yeah, propaganda. This is like that thing you did one
time. The propaganda bit. You mean
the Hague thing? Yeah, protect their freedom.
Yeah, this reminds me of that.
intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework.
We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it. In
southern countries secret intelligence is used to control
their people. In ours, it only exists to protect their
freedoms.
So he's talking about cyber as cyber as as if this is some kind
of thing now cyber where I come from mean cybersex, but okay.
And that probably means, let's say if you say Hey, want to go
cyber to some girl online or go
to cyber? Yeah.
I'm gonna write that down.
A, what is cyber? Is that what you want? Alright, go on.
But somehow when you say it, it's super creepy.
Yeah, do make super creepy voice we have
the power runs off of data systems, just about everything
in our lives, runs on computer networks. And most of those are
not as secure as they need to be. And we are seeing and if you
look at over the past year, and three months, about over 350
distributed denial of service attacks,
blue 350 distributed denial of service attacks, that let's
remember this is where there's like 350 a day. And how much
money is this guy getting for his department for this? I mean,
this, he literally is talking. This is the level he's talking
about. And to me, as you as we go through these clips, it is so
insulting on so many levels. Yes, I understand. A lot of
people don't necessarily understand the how the internet
works, but a hell of a lot of people do
on Wall Street. And we have seen destructive attacks against
Saudi Aramco in August of 2012.
Yeah, who cares? Are you protecting Saudi Aramco now?
And we saw destructive attacks against Ross gas.
are we protecting Ross gas now that's not our companies
in 2012 August, the one against Saudi Aramco wipe the data and
destroyed the content of the data on over 30,000 computer
system.
I don't know if he believes what he's saying, John. But the story
is, as I read it, and as I understand ended if there was a
virus and there were 30,000 desktops that were that were
affected. He's He's equating Windows workstation desktops to
30,000 data systems. You know, it's called it it's called IT
management, you know, you got to have some protection. So yeah,
your computer's I mean, you're telling me that important data
is stored on individual workstations. You don't have a
backup last forever, forever, and it's gone. You don't have a
backup. This is this is scare mom, fear mongering and bull
crap. Okay,
keep playing it's good.
And then a similar impact on South Korea in March and again
in June.
Remember South Korea where all of a sudden the TV network
flickered. Remember that bull crap report. So he's just
propagating live 2013.
So we see distributed denial of service attacks going on, we'll
see a lot of exploitation of intellectual
property, exploitation of intellectual property, theft of
intellectual property theft, theft of your
Visa, MasterCard, type data, your social security numbers,
all of this is disruptive and destructive attacks.
Okay. So that's kind of his setup for why the NSA exists at
all. I didn't hear a single thing about terrorism, or it's
all about protecting our freedoms, essentially. So now we
have to bring it all together. This is the Kaiser talking about
iPhone Cyber Command and the NSA and
iPhone. Okay, so they're great, right? You get to do neat things
on it, you probably got all these apps that you can do. The
problem with the iPhones and all the current phones is they're
not as secure as your landline system.
What does that mean? They're not as secure as my lamp, the iPhone
is not as secure as my landline system. What does that mean? I
don't know. What does it mean? I don't know.
But we would like to use those for I wallet. Right? And for
me, it has this annoying Silicon Valley thing where he goes right
at the end till Yeah, right. So you don't question. So you don't
question what he's saying
banking and for all these other things. So we've got to secure
that infrastructure. So there are things,
it's not your job to secure that infrastructure, I'm sorry, it is
not your job to make the iPhone secure. It's not
we have to do to fix the phones. And the vendors are going to
work that there are things that we did you just hear that
the vendors are going to work that this guy is insane to do
to fix our infrastructure. And we all have to work that. And
then there are things that the adversary is going to try to do
to steal intellectual property, we have to defend against that.
And then to disrupt our communications or destroy our
communications infrastructure. Soon those last two, it's
actually across that spectrum, where NSA and Cyber Command come
together. NSA think of that as the indications in warning and
situational awareness for cyberspace. They're the ones
that can see just like we do terrorist communications, you
can see malicious software. And Cyber Command is the one who
would respond to it. That's the platform for defending the DoD
networks defending the nation. And responding as policymakers
would ask us to do if the if someone were to attack us.
I think Johnny he actually believes this bullcrap. He
really is saying it like he believes it like this, like this
protection of our communications infrastructure, which the
adversaries are trying to bring down all the time. Man, it makes
no sense. Which adversary al Qaeda, Tali Bong, they want to
cripple our communications infrastructure, really? Of
course, all of this that he is doing, it's all okay because all
the oversight of the entire US government all has its eyes on
him.
The oversight and compliance on these programmes is greater than
any other programme in our government. It's from within NSA
by the General Counsel, the Inspector General, the oversight
and compliance directorate from the demonise general counsel and
Inspector General and civil liberties and privacy officer by
DOD is Inspector General, and General Counsel by Department of
Justice by the White House and by Congress, both committees.
And so when you look at that
sounds like a bunch of secret bullshit artists to me, a whole
bunch of people as analysing this in secret, including the
FISA court, these
are ones who who apply oversight and and can see what we're
doing. It is not a programme, the secret it's one that
Congress, the administration, and the courts have all approved
and the court is the final one in this. So from my perspective,
we have convinced all three of those that this is necessary
now very interesting words. From my perspective, he says, we've
been in we've convinced them this is very necessary, not
proven, not based upon the evidence that we have based upon
fact none our, the right
way would be shown. Yes. But he but he said, from my
perspective, we've shown that this is important initiative,
we've convinced them. Yeah. truth always comes out. There it
is. Yeah. In other words of convincing visitors not to say
it does. Trick, you could also say tricked. Yeah, they
shouldn't use a trick, you must just forget it, cut to the
chase. Alright, so
now now we're about halfway through this interview. And now
he starts to go off the deep end. And he has to explain to
the stupid Human Resources of America, who clearly don't
understand that he is Superman, protecting the world from cyber.
He's going to give you some metaphors.
And so the question is, it has been successful? Can somebody
come up with a better way of doing it? That's the issue.
We've not been able to come up with one. So we've been working
with Congress in the courts, but that's the best we can do right
now. We protect civil liberties and privacy, no content in the
metadata programme. And I think that's the right way to run it.
You see, nobody's come forward with a better it's like, it's
like saying, we know how you know. It's like when you were
younger when this is for boys. You know, when you're younger?
You say I don't want to take a bath. So no, I'd never take a
bath. Why do we want to take a bath? Well, you gotta take a
bath clean, nice to touch. said But isn't there a better way?
Oh, we don't. So we had to take baths Right? Or showers my
shower. What about here? What is there? What's the better way to
stop terrorists?
Apparently, only boys take the hate taking baths. And he goes,
take a bath daddy, daddy da. What this is this is not a guy I
want running cyber Daddy. Oh, well, let's let's do another
analogy.
I liken this to holding a hornet's nest. Ah, thank you.
Okay, so here we are holding this hornet's nest. Now I would
like to give it to somebody else. And say you protect the
nation with this data set.
He's literally going Oh, yeah. You can you do it better? I
don't think so here you hold the hornet's nest.
Everybody's looking around. So I don't want to hold that. You
hold what somebody's got to hold for the good of the nation's.
Remember, the oversight and compliance we have here is
better than any other programme ensuring our civil liberties and
privacy and that of our allies. We do it better than anybody
else. Oh, yeah. So despite what the papers say in here, we do it
better than
anyone. We do it better than anybody. I need one more
analogy,
saying it just doesn't make it. So what is this guy?
I need one more analogy. Let's see we've had taking a bath.
We've had hornet's nest. What else can we do?
These programmes were started to defend this country. If you have
a better way, put it on the table.
Again. This with the defensive? Oh yeah. Can you show me a
better way? You don't have a better you guys have better
ideas? Put it on the table?
If you don't, let's discuss it. But don't stop protecting. It's
like saying, well, we're not sure seatbelts protect people
anymore. Nobody has to wear seatbelts. Right? Right. What
would you say to your children? Yeah. So if they said, okay,
just put them in the back. Yeah, you wouldn't do it, would you?
You wouldn't go back. But you see, we've learned that lesson
on how we take care of our people. brings that mean?
So when did the NSA get get into business? What year was it was
right after the Truman administration, wasn't it? I
don't know. That part of the security system was done it they
kept it a secret for a long time. What did they do with this
fantastic mechanism? To protect us from the 911 episode with
with the building's Oh,
well, please. Well, apparently, this is all just less than has
been going
on. I mean, they've they've been they were in this doing the same
business that they could this is the, the no matter, great job
that they're doing.
Now. You see, it wasn't until Kaiser Alexander came in,
because the NSA sucked so bad during 911. You see,
you know, it's lessons that we learned after 911. When you look
at the 911 Commission, it faulted the intelligence
community for not connecting the dots. We didn't have the tools,
tools. These are tools that help us connect the dots. And we can
take
away crap is the same old tools,
new tools, tools, he has new tools just no such thing
as new tools. What helps them connect the dots? He has no
clue what helps them connect the dots, full information
dominance. That's that is his word information dominance. This
good look it up. This is the word he uses information
dominance. But this guy's insane. And by the way,
whistleblowing kills
people MS is the bad guys are amongst us, they will figure it
out. This happened in 1998, after the East African embassy
bombings, somebody revealed publicly that the way we tracked
bin Laden was through SATCOM communications. Within two days,
we never saw bin Laden and communications again.
Right, so just to translate someone, I guess he doesn't even
know who
Lee has. He got so much information. Who was this
someone
leaked this incredible information that they were
tracking Osama bin Laden through satellite phone technology,
which of course, the sand bunnies are too dumb to know.
But oh, no, someone leaked the information. Now the man in the
cave knows we're tracking his satellite phone. Oh, my
goodness, he couldn't figure that out for himself. Dick.
My concern is the revealing of these programmes allow
terrorists to know the best weapons that we have against
them. It will cause irreversible and significant damage. And it
means that terrorists now have an upper edge in conducting
attacks probably in Europe and potentially in the United
States, just like that toppling is reduced. And so when people
die, those that are responsible for leaking it are the ones who
should be held accountable. Gang Hey, Glenn
Greenwald. You are gonna die, you're gonna be off guard aren't
gonna be hung. Now, he takes it further.
Whereas what he's saying what he's what the subtext is, is
that our systems are so weak. And we're so borderline
incompetent that one little piece of information gets out
like the fact that that we're buying falls apart because
there's we have note that the thing is not sturdy, it's not
rugged. It's
proof is in the pudding. Boston, Boston Marathon bombing, the
proof is right there doesn't work. Doesn't work. It didn't
know no one picked it up. No one knew anything. These guys, I'm
just telling you the official story. Hey, these guys were over
there. And you know, the former Russian stage and getting
information and mosques and everything. Didn't work it full
of shit Kaiser. But you know what, we got to stop the press?
Well,
the other part is I think it's wrong that that newspaper
reporters have all these documents, 50,000, whatever they
have, and are selling them and giving them out. As if these you
know, just doesn't make sense. We got to come up with a way of
stopping it. I don't know how to do that. That's more of the
courts and the policymakers. But from my perspective, it's wrong.
And to allow this go on is wrong.
If you can't allow it to go on, we have to stop this
guy is an anti American douchebag. You're right, let
me play. But let me just let you know what he considers
himself a patriot.
Thank you for asking.
All of these things are running together. I think it's
absolutely superb. And by bringing that together, our
nation, Team cyber is better protected, and it would ever be
great people doing a great job. They're the heroes. It should
never be a question in anyone's mind. This leaker is not a Hero,
hero, he will have caused lives. Why I think that's irresponsible
and significant damage to this nation, irreversible and
significant damage. And that will come out eventually. But
the people who are protecting us, those people of NSA and
Cyber Command, they're the heroes, and they're the ones
that deserve the kudos from the American people.
Kudos, because for what have they done?
spying and they haven't stopped well, okay, so no, so So now I
started to look around. Now you're the one that that brought
up. And the fifth big 54 Number. The 54 number is the 54
incidents that the NSA has apparently stopped. Big 54 And I
didn't pull the old clip from the Who was the guy that that we
played the clip from John. Yeah, he
was one of the he was briefing a bunch of staffers, right. I
can't remember his name. Right. Right. The big staffer day. It
was a staffer day and he was in his he went through the whole
thing he says there was none there was no there was bad.
Pretty much. He can't find that clip because there's actually a
funny bit in there where they they even make claims that
weren't true. Like the jury found there was no jury kind of
thing.
I could probably find that pretty quick. You'd be amazed.
Let me see. Just go for 54 Let's see while I search. Oh my make
it lucky. Well, I went back and I found I guess both of us miss
this Kaiser Alexander on October 2 was being grilled by Lee
Leahy. Lay he? And I think lay he somehow this guy. Oh no, I
don't think we miss it. I know exactly what this clip is. I
think we had this clip. This is where les he calls him out on
the 54.
I don't remember this. Yes, I we had the clip and we played it.
And what do you recall him saying about the 50? Forces? It
was bullcrap. Right? So let's it but But what lay it again? Yeah.
So this is the 54. Turns out, it was really only maybe 13. And
not all
of them were dubious. And it was mostly about money transfer.
There was no real terrorist plots been stopped. But the
thing that I heard and this is about a minute and a half,
listen to Kaiser Alexander melt into this little timid boy,
because I think a key knows that, you know, he's really
running an empty shop. To be I think lay he has something on
him.
Yeah, this I got that same impression. There's something up
with something's going on with this, that you're gonna play.
Lay he lazy, the lazy, so hard. Yes. Right. There's something
going
for terrorists pause for thwarted by the use of Section
215 and or section 702 authorities has plainly wrong.
But we still get it in the letters to members of Congress,
we get it in statements. He's written all plots and they
weren't all thwarted. The American people are getting left
with inaccurate impression of the effectiveness of NSA
programmes. Would you agree with the 54 cases that keep getting
cited by the administration or not all plots? And other
vertical only 13 had some nexus to the US? Would you agree with
that? Yes or no? Yes. Okay. At our last hearing, Deputy
Director English testimony stated that there's only really
one example of a case where but for the use of Section D, I
liked it just Yes. Yes. He just he just Yes, done. Yes. And now
he tries to crawl back a little bit by saying, Well, you know,
what, only 13 were in the UN and lay, he's going to shut his ass
down. Listen
to 15, bulk phone records collection, terrorist activity,
we stopped doing this right.
is right. I believe he said to Chairman, I may have that wrong,
but I think he said too. And I would like to point out that it
could only have applied in 13 of the cases because of the 54
terrorist plots or events. Only 13 occurred in the US business
record. Pfizer was only used. Well, I
understand that. But I worry about some of the statements at
all as all as well. And we have these overstatements, what's
going on? We're talking about massive, massive, massive
collection. I totally have to do that. To protect us. And then
statistics are rolled out. If they're not accurate, it doesn't
have the credibility here and the Congress doesn't have the
credibility with us.
And I think I'm not even hearing lady being on our side of this
argument. I'm hearing him like, Hey, listen, you little twerp.
Shape up your statistics, you moron.
Yeah, you're making us look bad.
Yeah, you're making us look bad when we know you're slipping. So
So I am of the opinion after listening. And you and if you if
you see this interview, of course, in the show notes, 560
dot n a show notes.com. With the creepy music going on the whole
time. It is unnerving. And I do not believe the NSA is capable
of anything. Except after the fact that they are essentially a
big data storage and the FBI and other agencies already using
them. So they can subpoena information. And the FBI
is using this is just the sweep it's dragnet. Exactly. And
there's other aspects involved and only Dennis cousine edge.
The only guy so far that I've heard who says this, and I have
the clip here, only Dennis would say this, here he goes,
of surveillance that's occurring of world leaders. But there's
another issue here too. And I know we don't have a lot of
time, but keep this in mind. We don't we don't we don't look at
Germany as being a threat. There's not some terrorism issue
here. But there is an economic issue. And we've got to start
asking questions. Is this spying being done to advantage certain
corporate interest in the United States and other corporate
interests globally? Because there's terrorism isn't an
issue. We need to know to find out
Yeah, AlJazeera had a great Al Jazeera America had a very good
piece on this and this does kind of flow into where I think a lot
of this is headed. You know, yesterday there was a big or
there was supposed to be a big demonstration in Washington
called Stop watching. us, and it's a little was this an eff
thing because if you go to a website, it doesn't really say
who's behind this. And they had they didn't really. I mean,
whoever did this and they had professional signs. That really
sucked. Okay. It was and I'm all for the protesting. I think it's
good. I think, you know, I did see some homemade signs so I
think some people are really getting into protesting stop
watching us. This the Celebrate ease they had were Wil Wheaton.
Maggie Jagan jag and Hall met her name is Daniel Ellsberg. And
I think they had one senator. Now, if Wil Wheaton had gone to
DC, and he may have but I certainly didn't see they had no
celebrities. They had no one. No one piping up. No one there for
you know for the big show. And so here's how NBC portrayed the
the the demonstration.
hundreds of demonstrators marched on Capitol Hill today
protesting NSA surveillance, the whistleblowers and cheering a
fresh message from their hero in Moscow. Fugitive ex NSA
contractor, Edward Snowden.
Do you hear how this is being positioned? Isn't that
interesting? They're here on Moscow,
the loron Tea Party Republican Congressman Justin Tea Party OSH
said Snowden
this is this is mind boggling. That this is George
Stephanopoulos, a Clinton operative a democratic
Stephanopoulos? Yes, though this is ABC,
or maybe ABC. I'm sorry, why does NBC maybe it's not him. It
doesn't matter to NBC. Whatever it is, it's not. It's anti right
wing. It's pro Obama administration. And yeah,
it sounds like in 100 protesters. I mean, why even
cover it? But but that's not I mean, the the throw in Snowdens
in Moscow opened
America's eyes to what the NSA is doing. are you grateful that
he's done what he did? We wouldn't have the reforms to the
NSA, if not for what he did. It comes amid yet more fallout
overseas from the Snowden disclosures.
Okay, so he's like we have to talk about what
reforms
there's no reforms, still reforms, talking about another
vapid vac vacuous Cypher.
The German magazine Der Spiegel, which has gotten access to some
Snowden documents reported today, the NSA had actually
targeted German Chancellor Angela Merkel's cell phone since
2002. By the way, it's Angola, not Angela, while she was still
an opposition leader. This just days after President Obama was
forced to personally apologise to Merkel over earlier
disclosures of NSA snooping, as well as a presidential pledge to
Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto to investigate reports the
NSA hacked into his computer, but one world leader did rally
to the NSA is defence. Who could
that be? Who wouldn't be rallying to our defence? Let me
see somebody we have a special relationship with
British Prime Minister David Cameron
is doing and to an extent what the newspapers are doing in
helping him doing what he's doing.
Okay, to the extent the newspapers are helping doing
what he's doing to the thing he was doing while I was doing this
and doing that, it's not good what
the newspapers are doing and helping him doing what he's
doing.
Who wrote that who wrote that? Fire that is frankly,
signalling to people who mean to do us harm? How to evade and
avoid intelligence. Wow. Wow, crap.
What's there was he but fucking Kaiser Alexander? I'm sorry, I
did that. That was my Tourette's. I'm angry about
this. This is so insulting. This is so insulting. How these
people are propagating this message in in the news media.
He's not calling anyone on this. What are they talking about?
This, it's simply not true. We just went through a half hour of
listening to all this fantastic stuff that the NSA does, which
is normal, like, you know, wow, Gee, what a surprise. We sniff
packets or whatever. We listen to phone calls. But because the
terrorists now know this, oh, my god, we're all going to die. And
this has been propagated by world leaders CBS and they have
no shame protesters in America. Don't look at that
but been convinced and you know this, even though you think ABC
I have always believed CBS is at the forefront of this the
Western
edition of the broadcast. Some of the strongest allies of the
United States are among its most vocal critics tonight, amid
revelations that the NSA eavesdropped on world leaders.
Several 100 demonstrators rallied near the US Capitol this
afternoon, criticising the practice of electronic
surveillance and that's enough about that. But it's Kelly Kobe
as far from Washington. And that's actually better by all
accounts the leaders of
all right, so then we have I think this is Kelly woman now
she had it right. And this is where we're going to kind of
wait before I get to that. Let me play you a little bit of tour
a tour ad Touray, who probably right now is on MSNBC saying,
Oh, lewrie died. Wow, that's horrible. Which he did. By the
way, Lou Reed died.
Yes. I know. He tweeted, yeah, so,
so horrible, because Touray is a music journalist, or a music
aficionado or whatever. So how does he as a as a as a
prostitute? How does he defend what this administration is
doing to the American citizen I
was when I was a kid, I did something really bad. And my dad
took me to my grandmother's house and he told her what I
did. And she pulled me aside and she said, it's not bad that you
did it. It's bad that you got caught. And I think that's what
we have going on here. That it's really bad that we got caught
and my damage. Oh, absolutely. Love her God rest her soul. But
you know what, it's gonna damage some relationships. But if we
weren't doing it until spying on people like this, Angela Merkel,
Kim Jong Il Kim Jong Un anybody, then we would be derelict in our
duty. Of course, we should be spying on these folks. We have
to have the information. That's why we have a CIA we have to
know, look, Germany, in particular is shorting the euro.
We have to know that what they're telling us publicly is
what they actually believe privately so we can have
confidence in what's going on in the Eurozone.
saying, okay,
hold on. You did this to me a couple of times. I'm doing it to
you. I don't want to hear another clip from that idiot
ever again.
But he's so entertaining. He is an idiot. Okay. All right, that
you have every right in the world. I will not play another
clip from him ever, no matter how good it is.
So I they're not good. None of them are good. It's just a guy
who shouldn't even this guy should not be on the air. He's
just an idiot. He's just going on and on with this kind of
bullcrap. Now, that said, I do have a clip from France 20 van
cat, on spying. And this was they have these little round
tables. And they put together a little team, they had a guy from
a Huffington Post, but the guy that they first started talking
to his a French guy, even though he has a weird English accent, I
don't know where he's where he learned his English. But he
talks and I think, and this is the meme, that's been you've
been complaining about it. I've been complaining about this,
this guy exhibits the same meme from a French perspective. And
it's I think it's unacceptable
businesses business and the business of intelligent snooping
and snooping on each other as part of the game. It is
expected. It always has been so from the World War Two, I mean,
ever, ever. So I think what is shocking to the French and the
Europeans is not the spying by itself. It's the extent and the
systematic character of the spying, which they did not
suspect. But perhaps
I mean, that's the senior correspondent in new spying, you
know, you know how the world works. But as a private
individual, do you care any in any way, shape or form that
perhaps your SMS is sent to your family or to your businesses may
have been intercepted and read?
You see, I, British colleague of mine wrote a long piece on that.
What I remember is that I could not avoid the conclusion. He
said, unless you want to go back to the caves, there is no way
you can avoid it. So if you can't, if you can't beat them,
just accept it, then I meant you imagine. The firewall says if
you can, just sniffing packets.
Now we take this back and let's go back to what's really going
on here. Blackmail, insider trading. Yes, US espionage,
industrial espionage, which we were always trained was a bad
idea and a bad thing. It has to be stopped. That's what we're
doing. It's this, and I think has been proven with I think
Kristin has nailed it. There is no terrorism plot coming from
Merkel's phone. She's not going to be talking about let's you
know, Let's bomb something that's so why is she being
monitored? Well, she because first of all, she would say
information that leads to somebody making a profit,
yes, in the euro zone. And by the way, she would say let's
bombed. Kizer Alexander, actually, I'll go back to this.
He explained the French example. And in his explanation, he
admits we have record or I don't know if you wouldn't call it
recorded, but we have a copy of the content. This is what's so
funny about his answer, which again, no one will talk about no
one will analyse this. And I think
what's happened is the papers convolute the stories and they
immediately say 70 million, you know, think of this. We got one
today about 70 million phone calls that are being intercepted
in Paris over a one month time period. Think about that. 17
million phone calls. Now, I don't know how many phone calls
you get a day, let's say 30. But let's say they're in a foreign
language, because most French people speak French. Just
putting it on the table, just not a hard thing to fall. It's
not complicated.
It's not complicated. What, how patronising? Can you be a whole?
So you'd need French language? And if you were did 2 million
French phone calls a day? Listen to him and tried to write them
down? How many people would that take? More than a few more than
too few months. So you know, their average analyst might be
able to do one every 15 minutes for an hour times.
That's interesting information. Or average analyst only does it
15 minutes, he's giving away the fact that they do this.
So you know, their average,
by the way, that's a breach. That's a security breach. Right?
There were of course
it is, of course, the guy is he his name is Kaiser breach,
Alexandros might
be able to do one every 15 minutes for an hour times h 32.
Divide 32 into there, you're gonna need about, you know, a
little bit less than 100,000 people, just for France, and
France as an ally. It's absurd. They get it wrong. It actually
has nothing to do with collecting on France. But the
reporters who got this see this data and quickly run to the
wrong conclusion.
The conclusion is, you can't even do it.
Well, the just to the wrong conclusion is obvious. Yeah,
it's about industrial espionage. It's about blackmail. It's about
insider trading. It's not about that. So the wrong conclusion is
that they're spying on the French for that there is no
conclusion. The mainstream media and except for cousine, it was
not in the media has never brought this possibility up. All
they talk about is the terror terror threat. Now
now. Now, I'm going to get to a place with some help from one of
our producers. First back to CBS, who of course called the
real potential issue that is being discussed now at the EU
summit, the US
seems just as surprised to find another secret was out. Thanks
once again, to NSA leaker Edward Snowden. Now senior White House
officials tell CBS News that they're warning their allies
about what Snowden might release next.
Interesting, right. So then so this is very interesting, what's
taking place here. And I think there's something behind it that
Fleetway stop before he'd say Go on. Can I asked something here,
of course. Did Snowden release all this stuff already to be
doled out?
Well, when people say that what they're really saying is Glenn
Greenwald or Laura Poitras, or
Snowden is out of the
loop. Yes, no, he's given everything. Apparently he you
know, this is all just being handled by Pierre Omidyar at
eBay now.
So this report is basically inaccurate from the get go.
Well,
yes, and no, you just let me follow through on this.
Okay. I'm just gonna say I just want people to realise that this
is. This is dramatising bullcrap, this
is the same as WikiLeaks, WikiLeaks was not releasing
anything WikiLeaks had given information for analysis to the
times to Spiegel to The Guardian, it's the same thing.
It is press and who controls press who controls media,
corporate entities and governments control that. So
this is something on a bigger scale that has nothing to do
with little whistleblowers and I would also say has nothing to do
with little Greenwald's. I think they're just peons in a bigger
game. And part of the game has come into play here in this
reports,
there is a better understanding of what Snowden has, but there
is no way of knowing the next shoe to drop. German leader
Angela Merkel said her trust in the US has been severely shaken
after allegations this week that the NSA tapped her private cell
phone. Snowdens latest batch of leaked documents delivered to a
newspaper also alleged that the NSA access to 10s of 1000s of
French phone records and tapped the phones of 35. World leaders.
State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said spying tactics were
under review. We want to ensure we're collecting information
because we need it and not just because we can. Germany and
France are demanding to know why the National Security Agency
through such a wide spying net, they were caught up in it. They
want the US to sign up to a code of conduct like the no spying
deal the US has with Canada, Britain, Australia and New
Zealand. And there's talk of multimillion dollar fines for US
companies who don't protect the privacy of their European
customers. are saying Here comes. There's a lot at stake,
including a massive free trade deal with Europe. The European
Union and the German intelligence service are both
sending teams to the US next week to meet with government
officials about spying. But as one former French Foreign
Minister put it, let's be honest, we eavesdropped to.
Okay, now I got an email from one of our producers, and she, I
believe, is in the military. I did not talk to her about that
I'm not going to mention I'm not gonna give a name. But I do want
to read this note, because it got me thinking that maybe we're
seeing this thing completely wrong, and that maybe it's not
just the individual pieces, but there might be a coordinated
attack taking place. Adam, thank you, John, for your courage. So
I'm listening to the show and you're talking about Frau Merkel
being so pissed, I'd like to draw your attention to something
I believe is one angle. Remember, the BRICs. Everything
ties together nicely when you stop thinking in terms of Putin
and Russia and see everything as the BRICs. That's Brazil,
Russia, India, China and South Africa, who would love to make a
a competing bank to the IMF and the World Bank? Now go back to
the Snowden leak the countries named were Brazil, India, China
and the EU and Germany. Outside of Germany, everything falls
into place except for Germany, but you can't do a massive
takeover of the banking industry. Without it without the
EU and more importantly, Germany behind you, Brazil, as we know,
refuse to come to a state dinner. Next thing that happened
is Brazil's calling for an immediate meeting of the Latin
American countries, followed by a protest at the UN meeting.
Where does Greenwald live? Brazil? Where is Snowden right
now? Russia. China is calling for a less Americanized world.
It's noted landed first in Hong Kong, then moved on to Moscow.
Now we have France and from Merkel furious Germany signed a
huge trade deal with China a year or two ago, whereas Laura
portress, Germany, keep an eye on trade deals with the BRIC
countries or larger trade deals in South America also watch
Germany's energy problems. Russia, I think will swoop in
and save Germany's energy problems soon. Russia just
passed the anti Hollywood laws just in time for China to build
a new movie studio. Again, I think the BRICS have been
overlooked and not taken seriously imagine what the world
would look like if say a few Latin American countries other
than Brazil, Germany, and the African countries and China lead
the IMF and World Bank and join a new BRICS Bank. I don't think
this will happen tomorrow. But it could be a power play in
motion. John Saudi theory makes sense even more so if you take
the bricks into account. The Saudis are furious over Syria,
Kerry testified before Congress that the coat a ribs were
willing to pay for everything Obama not invading as Bush would
have done is probably the final straw. They could be pissed
about. Oops, where am I pissed about Houston's involvement. The
Clintons and Leviathan, the Saudi royals cannot be happy
about how much oil and gas Israel has their hands on now.
Until this goes on for a little bit. But when you think about
this, and this kind of got me into into a new, a new view of
all of it, it is very possible that the United States is under
a coordinated attack from Brazil, Russia, India, not so
sure where they fit in. But you gotta you gotta watch him,
China. And and what is being used is the so called Snowden,
who we really don't know all that much about, we've seen a
video of a guy one video, you know, we got a lot of talk from
people coming from the EU, specifically from Germany,
specifically, Glenn Greenwald from Brazil. Maybe we're under
attack, John. And the credibility is the first thing
that's going we need to kill this T tip deal. So Russia
maintains dominance over their largest customer, which is the
EU. And maybe there's something going on the picture so big,
we're not even seeing it.
I could imagine. I mean, I would also assume the Russians had
something to do with it. Well, they're part of that part of it,
not the Saudi part, which would be China, but to Chinese maybe
have something to do with the whole thing. We don't know. You
read. But but our bankers, which are really international? I
don't know that. Yeah, no, this is I would side with a couple of
things I want to back up on one is the is the industrial
espionage angle, the NSA. I don't think that's necessarily
necessarily a bad thing for Americans, except for the fact
that the Americans are not benefiting. We have this
ridiculous unemployment rate, if you look at shadow stats is
pushing 25%. There's a bunch of rich dudes that are really
benefiting from this and is not being redistributed to the
public at large and so they do have a problem on their hands,
which is the public relations aspect of all this. No one's is
going to be sympathetic to industrial espionage that
doesn't benefit everybody. And it's then it doesn't. So it's
just bullcrap. If anybody can come out of this winning though
I, I really, always Can't I just can't imagine us being beaten at
our own game. Oh, it's really hard for me to. Because that's
all we do. I was with somebody recently. And it was like we're
discussing there from
Oh, hold on. Let me just back up. You said, all we do is
industrial espionage, cheat and lie and spy on people for
financial gain.
Yeah, okay. That's our game. And we're, and we're good at it
dammit. No, we're really good at it. And I was at of debt, this
at a luncheon and there was this woman from New Zealand and I was
another American was sitting and we're talking across the sea.
Sorry,
I'm just I'm just loving how we just like, yeah, that's what we
do. And we're exceptional.
And so we're, all of a sudden, we just start talking about
stock market, and then this kind of it and I turned to the woman
from New Zealand, and I said, Yeah, this, by the way, your
witness you want Americans, it's all we do, is we just talk about
money making money, somehow, whatever methodology we need to
employ. Welcome to America. What do you think about this
constant?
Would you like your seat at the table? How we can in business in
America, I've learned the whole game is how can I screw that guy
out of his money before he screws me out of my money?
There is that element. That's kind of what we get. So we were
honed like a fine weapon. If anybody thinks that I'm in and
you're right, Kaiser Alexander is exhibiting bonehead
characteristics. He is not the guy for the job. They got to get
rid of him. But if anybody thinks that the, that the
Russians or the Europeans or any of these, these old fashioned,
stodgy characters and include the Chinese in this who have all
kinds of cultural issues, can beat us at our own game. It's
crazy talk. Yeah, play it out. Let's see what happens. And then
will you know,
yeah, okay. Okay. So right, let's follow with this logic for
a moment. Here's the problem. And, wow, this is this is very,
very deep. And as someone who really has always loved his
country, it's very hard to say, because I love people in the
universe, and I want rainbows and unicorns. But it appears
that in order to maintain that stance, maintain that we we are
have this, we are good at spying and cheating and stealing and,
and whatever it takes, maybe it's not even that whatever it
takes to get a foot a foot up a leg up, and advantage. But we
always have had this big backstop where we'd say Oh, and
by the way, if you don't like it, I'm going to kill you. And
this administration's has been washed, Drew has been wishing
you know, they've they've not only have they not said we'll
kill you. They've they've they've taken it down to some
dumb level of like drone strikes. You know, there's no
big grand threat anymore. And I think that if you if you if we
take your your
letter, the letter writer pointed this out that the Saudis
might be irked by the fact that we weren't like, trigger happy
when it came to Syria. And that would you know, even though I
personally think that all these idiotic wars in the Middle East
are useless, but I can see where somebody would think, well, you
know, the Americans, they'll go in there, they'll go in there
and they'll go crazy. And we didn't,
because that's what we're known for. And we piss on dead bodies
and stuff.
Ya know, weird. Meanwhile, you should pay attention.
Yeah, I mean, we Yes. Meanwhile, China. And this follows on your
your revelations on Thursday, is very close to a deal with Turkey
for their missiles. Over NATO supplied stuff and people are
freaking out. And it's Turkey insane. Fair to one is
that Turkey, I believe that the Turks have watched this crap
going on in the and they know that they're the Islamist have
taken over Turkey. They've kind of they haven't gone all the way
yet. But they're headed that way to Sheree and all the rest of
it. And they know what they see the rubble. Next Door, they're
looking they're saying, you know, these Americans are not
really yeah, they talk a big game. Don't clean up their room.
They'll clean up their rooms are making a mess. And we're next
Yeah. So they're there. By the way,
if you buy a missile from I don't think this is publicised,
and I can't prove it. I don't know it's true. Who? But if you
buy a missile from Raytheon that missile will not hit an American
target.
No. It's programmed not to have beacons. Yeah, it's pre
programmed Of course it's not going to hit an American target.
Now we got a little beacons the BBB BBB Don't hit me. And it's
like that the tape you can buy that that that glows is some you
it's what infrared tape that you put on your top of your helmet.
And you won't get droned? Oh, yeah. Yeah,
I hear that's really effective. For billion dollar deal. For the
for the Chinese to supply missile missile weaponry to
Turkey. This is really, really this is big.
Yeah, that's bad. It's not good. But then again, they could all
be sabotage for all you know,
and part of this, you know, so part of what's going on here, I
think is also has to deal with the so called Internet freedom.
I think that this will come into play very quickly, that the
United States is abusing internet freedom. You can just
see it happening. I really have a feeling, John that we are on
the losing end of the stick here. It is. And I'm just saying
the collective we that the United States it just seems like
every single day, boy, you guys are bullying dickheads? Or am I
read misreading the mess? No,
I think the I think you're why don't I disagree with your final
conclusion? No, I'm
not. I'm saying this. I know what you're saying. This, the
evidence is keeps the key. And I think it's one of those deals
where you're down and you're out for a moment you're in a you're
in a wrestling match, or you're or you're in a boxing match. And
then you're knocked down to the ground. And you look around and
you look around and you see who's still rooting for you and
who's taking the other guy side. You have to do that once in a
while. Because there's a bunch of turncoats out there that will
do they're all there at your best. But then the next thing
you know, they're not your best buddy. It turns out well, you
know, you go when you go back to the top of the heap, these guys
that pay the price, I think we may be in the process of taking
names.
Just wait and yeah, just wait until we decide not to give the
next Batman movie to you, Europe.
That could be part of it.
Well, I find that
the Russians don't seem to want to watch our Batman movies.
No, I don't Well, they do. They just want to get paid extra for
the whole thing I find is, is fascinating. But my conclusion
really is along the lines with yours is just we're not we're
not good at spying. We don't really have any capability. We
are good at sucking stuff up and storing it even that apparently
seems to be an issue since the data centre keeps exploding or
whatever the report is. But when it boils down to it, I think
there's no capability. I think it's a bunch of empty suits. Who
talk say, Yeah, well, not just the NSA, but everything. They're
all just empty that talk a really big game and we're great
and you were graded that to show business and PR and propaganda.
But it really there's not a lot to show for it. And you know,
this is not it's like our cars. You know what I mean? All hat no
cattle?
Well, there's that element that cars American cars have never
been top drawer.
But isn't that just kind of par for for everything?
Well, I do like to new Cadillac. Really. There's one cat like I
think is really well designed is probably still a cat you know,
it's still a GM Junker.
But it's a new one. Well, it's
I'll show you a picture of it. It's just a real slick looking
car. There's a couple of them. Well, on that note,
anyway, I did just want to wind up by saying that, I'd like to
know who if the EFF the Electronic Frontier Foundation
was behind the
huge demonstration of almost 100 people, which
well, they the EFF on their home on their website says that it
was a couple 1000 people. But if if they were behind it, you
know, they need some help here because it was not well
executed. And all it did is just function does a little bit of B
roll to talk about Angular Merkel. Nothing about the actual
mission point. Well, this is what I'm worried about. I mean,
this isn't and this is an outfit that got $8 million in 2012. For
their in their donations. I pulled their form 990 Just the
just kind of as a lark to see, you know, they they got like a
million dollars in executive salaries. They have 3 million in
other salaries. Most of them only a million bucks or so comes
from donations. The rest all comes from corporate. You or
even lawsuits like $250,000 They won with litigation. It's kind
of becoming a little bit of like a weird lobbying thing. And it's
just not to be trusted in my mind. I hate to say it, I like
to trust them, but I can't. I can't when you fail so miserably
at this if indeed they were, they were behind this stop
watching us. You know, you got to figure out better ways to use
your $8 million.
Yeah, well, they're not experts at this sort of thing. That's
the problem. All right. I do have a couple of offbeat clips
that we can play or we can. Why don't we should we go?
I think it's a good idea.
I'm gonna show my son moved by donate to no agenda. Imagine all
the people who could do that. Oh, yeah. That'd be fun
is it the SRX crossover that you like? No. It's a dog.
I don't like it.
No, I'm just trying to I'm trying to figure out which car
doors themselves to me is like a weird element. Do
you like the ATS sedan? Maybe?
i There's a there's an there's one. It's a two door. That's a
very futuristic look at the CTS coupe. Maybe no, that's the
little sportscars Yeah,
that's two door. Yeah, it's
true. Anyway. I'm not buying a car if that's what you're
wondering.
I just I was curious. I think Cadillacs are very ugly.
No, there's a good look. And there's two good looking ones. I
liked that little sports car and there's another one that looks
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And Trisha did send in a handwritten note I should
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Oh my God. That's what my mom used to say parenting words why?
My mom used to say that to why else should I be a parent if I
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That that's common amongst a lot of them. Have you ever said have
you ever said that? No, I've never said it. But Mimi has Oh,
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she's gonna hear you. He's not gonna hear me. There's no way
he's gonna hear me. He's gonna hear you. So then, you know, I
just,
that's funny. That's funny. That is that's a well, but they
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She has never listened to your show. So don't take it that
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And I'll tell you, I'm ready to go. I'll do another six. I'll do
another 60 years I'm damn down. I'm this makes me feel good. You
haven't really mentioned at all about how you feel about the
show. I do love it. I
think this is one of the best shows we've ever done.
It's the only show we've ever done. We've noticed true. We've
never done any other show. But I mean, just in general isn't
a promo or something once it isn't, isn't this just Well,
what's good about it just seems to me and I don't want to sound
like some sort of, we want to hear this is real support. This
is people saying okay, you guys are doing this work. And you're
getting you're coming up with this kind of stuff, which really
explains a lot to me because there's displays a lot to us, by
the way. Because the two of us don't, you know, we don't talk
and we find the things out from each other. Yeah, and you it's
just a better way to go. I mean, people the PBS the media miles
all the rest of them are crap if you can produce a product that
people like, and they will support with their hard earned
money, when to keep it going. Then you know, you're doing the
right thing. It's just It's like a It's, you're doing the right
thing if you're if somebody says here, keep doing this, and
that's what they did today.
i Yes. And we just don't often stop and think I'm today. It
actually started last night or yesterday of course our actual
anniversary was yesterday. I just can't help but think like
what a fantastic thing that's taking place here. It's like a
co op.
It is very much like it
really is like a co op and I count my lucky stars every
single day. It's like it's like the best pension plan in the
world. As long as I can as long as I can get get up in the
morning and do this and I can't keep doing it and up
in the morning watch C span two or three hours
as long as we can keep each other alive
and then you apparently listen to Touray show no i don't know i
believe is worth 100 or 200 bucks from anyone know that put
up with that guy.
There's this is a lot of people help a lot and you know, I think
the most work for me goes into I'm pretty meticulous with the
emails. I read every single email that comes in I just can't
reply to all of them. And some of them just don't warrant a
reply. And I'll have
a I have a clip for you for your email All right, well stick to
itiveness play the oh my goodness after
Oh my goodness. Okay, what is this? Oh? Oh, somehow that got
stuck after all that I'm sorry. Something weird happening.
Oh my goodness.
Really? That is what I think of when you go on about your email.
Well, no, but it's the the amount of if you give if you
were willing to feed back and this is really a lot of what I
do you know so we got the what I do I know I'd love to hear a
little bit more about what you do because I think it's very
mysterious and if you have no intention of telling it's fine
but mysterious isms but I'm I'm I'm always looking at the emails
I'm I'm not a zero inbox guy. And I look at my emails not but
I'm just telling you how I prepare for the show. That
people send me stuff and I and and I will go down the hole for
them. When they send me these I do
I say that for some other time my friend. I go
down the hole for my listeners. I do and sometimes it's very,
very rewarding sometimes is really shite and and sometimes
people think that it's okay that we can have an ongoing dialogue
on email which is not and the no agenda news network contributors
all of that stuff it really works it's this is this is I'm
afraid to talk too much about it because someone else will figure
it out Hey, we should do it those guys are doing
as well they people keep trying to do what these guys are doing.
But the problem is you have to have a mindset though just oddly
the two of us working together have the mindset that
cumulatively the two of us is a combination is highly unusual.
It just happens to work because we we think in a certain way,
but I don't want to go on about this. Now. It's about us we
should be for we have too much material here.
Yeah, absolutely. Right. Okay, so thank you again, everybody.
Really appreciate it. That's our weird that's my weird way of
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And we continue the episode 561 will be on Thursday. We continue
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at the no agenda show. Um, and let me see.
I bet we have a we have a controversy with the Knights.
Okay. Well, Jennifer, and I don't know as Eric sent the
note, and I was
just about to look don't mention her last name yet, because
I have not mentioned your last name at all. That's why I said
Jennifer. She had donated she would be a dame today. But she
had donated in the past 2011 I think 2011 We keep tabs on
everybody. So we try what you're up to we try by the way,
sometimes we try we're not great by any means. We're actually
stink. We don't.
Yeah, we don't have like congressional staff or anything.
But
Eric did notice that in 2011, she wanted to be anonymous. Now
the years later, she may not want to be anonymous anymore.
But we have to get her permission to use her last name
even though I blew an anonymous donation earlier today that
nobody seemed to have noticed. But it's you know, these that's
an accident and when we don't there's not an accident. So we
know that so she will be knighted. David Hold on. I've
got I'm looking at the message right here. And she wants to
remain anonymous.
Still. Yep. Okay, then she'll be just Dame Jennifer.
Okay. There you go. See 600 episodes. I mean, 606 years of
episodes. We're moving on 600 and my sword is still sharp as
ever. How about yours? No. Dull Whoa, let's try that again.
Dennis Stephens and Jennifer please step forward. Both of you
have contributed to the best podcast in university amount of
$1,000 more and our gratitude could not be any huger. And
because of that you both join the Elite roundtable so I hereby
pronounce the dame Jennifer and Sir Dennis the Mile High nights.
For you. We have opium and warm orange juice, hookers and blow
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some simple mutton in need. It's all here for you at the
roundtable. Thank you and go to no agenda nation.com/rings We
still have some in various sizes, and you are well
deserving of that. The only other thing I wanted to mention
briefly about now that we're on our sixth sixth anniversary, we
have never won an award for the show. Not that we're looking for
one per se would be nice, because awards is how you get
out in the public eye. The Podcast Awards are coming up. I
would like to be nominated in the comedy category this year if
possible. I think I think we deserve to be in the comedy
category though. We're
as funny as any of those comedy shows. Thank
you. I think we really I think we really deserve it. We
shouldn't be in the comedy category. Yeah, exactly. Oh my
goodness. What is that from? That's kind of creepy. Just a
little
clip if you want to hear the clip, no. It's the Pinterest
clip. Where they're using Pinterest. I just thought I only
made this clip because it was like such an obvious plug for
Pinterest. They're putting dogs in one of this The peninsula
cities that missing dogs are now being posted on Pinterest. And I
thought it was like it sounds like a commercial for Pinterest.
But this woman got a little puppy and she was oh my goodness
little cute little puppy. And that's where that comes from.
For Silicon Valley
cities are using high tech tools to reunite people with their
stolen or lost property. And that includes pets and BC
barriers. Marian favo shows us how
oh my goodness,
we don't know the name of the sweet dog, but her owner does.
And the city of Sunnyvale is using Pinterest to try and
reunite them. Oh, okay. I
gotcha. There's something we didn't talk about on Thursday
was my fault. Because this we've been noticing for a while this
war on men. Yeah. And I watched the documentary The Sharon Stone
documentary femme. Oh,
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Forgot. Why didn't want to watch it. That's
the key. And you did?
Yes. I watched it with Miss Mickey.
Did she stab you?
I'm still here. I'm still
breathing. I just mean, you weren't Stan. I'm
still breathing. Okay. And she agrees with me on it. Because I
really wanted this to be good. I wanted this to be a great
documentary. Wow, this was like someone's High School Final Cut
Pro project. It was such a piece of shit. It was so poorly done.
I mean, it literally John. You know, the the Star Wars credits
were the were the, you know, it says once upon a time in a
galaxy far, far away, and the credits are going off into
infinity,
which is a mockery of early serials. They
use that same credit, right? Yes.
Yes. I don't believe yes. Throughout that lame to do.
Yes. And it would go from section to section. Yeah. And so
the kind of like, have a question or a statement. And
that
aside, would they do that that was done as a SAT tie. Oh, John,
it was so bad. And here's what happened. So they essentially
interviewed, they say hundreds, but maybe the only I don't think
probably 20 women. You know, a lot of them well known, some of
them extremely interesting. And then they filled up the rest of
this thing with B roll of the craziest things like, you know,
like old public domain footage of, you know, slaves and
slavery. And it was it was so dumb. And it was kind of three
parts. I'll break it up into three parts. So the first one
was some kind of history lesson. That at one point in history,
there was a matriarchal society and women ruled the world
apparently. And they show like some statues of women and
Cleopatra. And that's proof. It's all Cleopatra. Yeah. And
then they went Venus de Milo and some other things. And then they
just when she ruled on that, and all that, and then they move on,
to how women how, when men, stoke women member, we played
that little clip from the trailer, that women really
become great. And then at the end, that all kind of revolves
back to men and women, when they work together, form a perfect
union that is more powerful than anything in the universe. And
little
spiritual there. Yeah, he knew he was great. Yes, it made you
alert.
It was very new agey, there were a couple of women in there who
just were fascinating to listen to, and nothing I wanted to pull
any clips from. But it was interesting, because a lot of
the same women and seriously it was about men and women together
and men and women. That was the takeaway. Men and women when
they work together in perfect unison, then that's how the
universe was meant to be. And it wasn't even about men serving
women or women being better but equal
and gay, but it was the same. That's a reasonable Yes,
but then it's the same people who are advocating for same sex
marriages and LGBTQ Q
and that's makes no logical exactly what you
say doesn't fit into somewhere it has to give. And actually,
you know, I've had some arguments over this but I said,
so if it truly is the female energy in the male energy that
that that create this perfect unison together, okay, but you
know, I think it's people not just I don't see it as male
female. Because I think you know, the two gay people gay or
lesbian or whatever, they can also create look at us, John, I
mean, here we are. We're, we're, we're vicarious and whatever you
are, we're not. Yeah, I'm questioning, um, the queue and
question in
the queue.
But so to me, this really failed, but I've now been
keeping my eye open on thing for for this clearly agenda. 21
driven objective in the BBC propagated the formula with some
bogus HIV study The headline women better at multitasking
than men.
And it's interesting because that kind of that's may or may
not be true, I'm assuming is bullcrap. But whatever the case
is, the latest studies are showing that multitasking is not
good to accomplish anything. So you know, this this like I'm a
great multitasker, I get nothing done.
Then there was this. This IW M F, the International Women's
Media Foundation and to prove a point, they rigged an ATM
there's a video of this, but there's no sound that makes any
sense and happen I think in Sweden or maybe Norway, when
they say here's equal pay for a day. Where was it Switzerland.
And whenever a man came up to the ATM, let's say he wanted 100
euros, they'd give him 80 euros. And then you know the guy would
be standing there for like five minutes, you know, tapping the
screen trying to figure out why he only got 80 euros and then
the receipt would pop out and it would say women are are
regularly paid 20% less than equally skilled men and
comparable positions. How does it feel this is Equal Pay Day?
And I'm like this Alan fun tow this camera. This is a serious
at the IW MF International Women's Media Foundation is a
serious not for profit.
Read I know but what's the point of this, this this trick?
To make men feel bad apparently. And, and, and I'm just seeing
more and more of this. And I have a here's a here's another
one. They another test. Scarcity of college men leads women to
choose briefcase over baby. So they did a study at UT in San
Antonio and University of Minnesota. And they told women
on campuses whether it was true or not. They said well, there's
no there's a scarcity of men on in this college. And these women
during this test, excelled and, and put family and relationship
aside and became career professionals. When they told
another group of women that there's an abundance of men,
they chose family and relationships somehow this this
proves something apparently
sounds like it wasn't done properly. Well, it sounds
to me like it's kill men is what it says to me. The wish to kill
men and then men, right. But here's the only thing and we're
just going to keep our eye on this. But I would like to say
one thing too and and then I'll get off my soapbox for a while
on this women. Particularly this conversation that is happening
in our world now about equality and pay equality in the
workplace. Certainly when it comes a lot of people listen to
the show or other podcasts about women in technology. You know
that, you know, and women on boards of companies that has to
be equal. Let me if you really want to equalise women with men
in in this modern world, stop complaining about Facebook and
Twitter and even General Electric or boards or whatever
it is. And please go after the top three evil male dominated
women discriminating organisations in the world. If
you start with the top three, who discriminate women
historically for hundreds of years and on a consistent basis,
you might change something and they are bigger than Twitter and
Facebook and GE and the top three are the Catholic Church,
the Jewish temple, and the Muslim synagogue, a mosque.
Mosque, and just go look, Catholic Church. Screw women,
Jewish Temple Oh, yes, women, you're allowed. We have to sit
up in the attic. And the Muslims do I really have to tell you how
women are treated.
Well, there you have it. So Sinead, you nailed it. If they
if that is accomplished and you'll you'll be a happy camper.
That's never gonna happen. And here's what's more likely to
happen. Now, this clip I've got here,
can I just say something, John? Yeah, I'm giving this
information to our listeners because the next time someone
goes off, but women are not treated equally, all you have to
say is, hey, you really want to change the world start with
those three groups. You change those guys.
I think we all got that information, and I will use it
to I like I was wondering what it was gonna be I thought maybe
General Electric, but I'm an American and I think business I
think stocks I think insider trading as well. You know, I
think NSA was spying on people. Industrial Esther. I didn't even
then a million years thinking we're gonna drop three religions
on.
You know what the worst thing is? Remember when sinead
o'connor but the Buddhist by the way,
I think there's the same thing.
I remember when Sinead O'Connor was on Saturday Night Live and
she ripped up the picture of the Pope. Yeah. And at the time I
was not awake. And I didn't quite understand. And I thought
she was an idiot. I was like, What a dick. And now I'm like,
oh my god, she was so right.
She was ahead of her way ahead
of her time.
With the haircut too. I might. Yeah, absolutely. Here's it. Now
this is football season that this relates to what you just
said, because this is the way women are used in college
athletics. I didn't know I was I kind of was aware of this, but I
wasn't totally aware of it. This is a report a new book came out
and I'm gonna I know you don't like sports or football and this
is college football season. But you've got to like this story.
Apparently, the colleges are essentially using hookers to get
people to join their various football programmes are called
hostesses. And here is the hostess programme.
Wait, wait a minute, we've evolved from the sex with little
boys to hookers
is what was was isolated. I think what is this man? This is
more common. I believe what an advancement
is a lot of case studies here men and many of the recruiting
scandals rise out of the many of the scandals rise out of
recruiting. Absolutely. One of the ones you're talking about is
called the so called hostesses and it's a case at the
University of Tennessee now that's one that you know you
don't see when you're watching Saturday the day absolutely what
are hostesses and tell us hostesses are
essentially the first face that a college recruit a high school
recruit will see coming on campus. They're vivacious,
they're flirtatious. They know the programme inside and out.
They had been trained to act as the as the really the outfront
face of the programme. What Jeff and I document and on the record
through a young woman named Lacey pro herbs at Tennessee was
her experience as known as the closer she was the top hostess
there. And what happens is, is there are sexual relationships
that go on between the college girls and the high school
athletes coming in not in Lacey's case, but there's a
tremendous amount of flirtation and intimation that the
possibility of a relationship exists. And that's a powerful
allure. Think about it. A high school boy 17 or 18 year old on
essentially a weekend date with a 21 or 22 year old girl. It's a
very powerful it's kind of like a secret weapon that they
say it's under the under the well it's known by this the the
the authorities in this game. Oh, absolutely. The schools.
You know, the hostess programmes are integral parts of the
athletic departments in many ways. And certainly in the media
guides. They're treated as the sort of inert but outgoing
aspects of the programme, when in fact, particularly in
conferences that are so competitive like the SEC, they
are crucial to getting these recruits to commit.
One of the popular schools apparently is Morehead State.
Wow. Yes, I got just still baffled by the clip.
I was thinking to myself, you weren't thinking? Oh, well,
yeah, I'm like, wow. Mahama I missed out on so much. I could
have been I could have been a basketball player.
You tall enough to be in your era. Yeah. I could have been in
a good centre, or at least the centre. No, no, no centre. No,
no, even back in the day, you wouldn't be a centre, maybe a
forward crowd. You're too short.
So where does this leave us? Is this it? Will something change
in this outrage? No. Will women
who was that change anything? Well, the girls are having a
good time. Wow. So I got another clip here. I want to get out of
out of the way, right. Oh, this was an interesting thing. This
is not reported at all, by anybody except the one of these
crazy news outlets, the EURO NEWS. And it was I think it's a
very interesting piece of news clowns in Mexico.
Mexico City has been invaded by peace loving clowns, coming from
all over Latin America. They were in town for the 18th annual
clown convention. Though their business may be laughs They had
a serious message. They wanted to spread their message of peace
in the country, which has seen 600,000 deaths due to drug
related violence in the last seven years. We want peace since
there's so much violence in Mexico. We know how the
situation is right now. We want a little bit of peace. We spread
happiness laughter smiles. That's why we're clowns. Clowns
are an integral part of life and Mexico. They can often be seen
performing in the streets to earn a living, but it's a tough
life. The convention will see a series of workshops to help them
hone their craft. One clown explains the importance of
getting together every year. Mass but I cannot train
ourselves better. So there'll be one minutely as clowns that are
trained and not worried about that. We don't suffer a lot like
the majority of society who will start dying from hunger when
there are no children left
clowns in Mexico
i i am not a fan of clowns.
You're Are you one of those little kids that were scared of
clowns? No,
no, I've just never thought they were funny. Never thought they
were interesting. I never got the joke. I didn't is I think
the world can be split up into two groups, people who are all
in and people who are not all in on the clown thing.
Yeah, I there's a lot of people that hate clowns. I don't hate
they're called clown haters that you
hurry. Where are you on the clown thing? I find
cars to be amusing. They fall down and they do crazy things
they get into they usually drive around a little car and a whole
bunch of them get in it and they run around and they got funny
feet and they got a crazy makeup jobs are unbelievable. All
right, one more clip and then I'm gonna let you slide.
Oh, you will you let me go after one more.
Coat. This is a story that needs to have more publicity. This is
a disgusting story coach seats on American did you feel
the squeeze flying coach on a consumer watch tonight Julie
Watts explains. There's a good reason for that.
Airlines are shrinking their seats. According to The Wall
Street Journal first they slimline them now big carriers
like American Air Canada and Air France are adding an extra seat
to each row and coach there will now be 10 seats across shrinking
the seat with just 17 inches. Take a look at how that compares
to the 21 inch first class See, even though is look tiny
compared to your average movie theatre seat. But to really put
it in perspective, the new longhole Coach seats are
significantly smaller than even Amtrak seats and stadium seats
yeah that's
great news. We're we've booked a flight to to Amsterdam and
November or for a week because Miss Mickey's Expo has been
extended there so she can you know do some crafts and sell
some stuff
get it has a fly coach. Yeah, of course. Is it gonna be one of
these IDI? I mean I'm gonna I would we have to put a website
together with this seat widths and the leg rooms on every
airline and you should not fly on these airlines John
that's a great idea another fantastic we can't even get our
own show website looking anything decent after six years.
We have one way somebody out there should do it. We have a
one page website and I like it that way. I know people are
starting to condemn us for that.
Well no one's condemning us it was they do on the Twitch show.
No, they're not condemning us. Please. Okay, I got
one trailer listen to this. This is a good one this we should
have played earlier in the show. This is a movie trailer for a
movie that's such a piece of crap that nobody would take the
movie except the National Geographic channel. It's called
blackout
you know that we've played this right
the same clip I know we played it but I don't know if it's the
same clip
Yeah, I think so.
We are in the midst of what appears to be a colossal and
history making blackout
we're stuck we gotta get some water the current blackout is
the result of a cyber attack American blackout a premiere
movie event tomorrow at nine on a National Geographic Channel.
Is that tonight? Or was that last night?
It would be tonight would be that when they're showing the
movie?
Oh, we got to watch this is isn't the the actual drill
taking place this week as well the cyber attack grid blackout
drill.
I don't know if that's true because but there's another
drill going on all over the Bay Area called and I have a clip
the urban shield drill when they they actually it seems to me
scare these kids because you can hear a little girls screaming
their heads off as though something bad is happening.
Seven News
reporter Cornell Barnard has the story.
Terrified students run from this Castro Valley Elementary school
after a gunman fire shots on campus. what you're watching is
not real. It's only a drill. But the realistic situation being
created here a vital exercise for first
responders. We try to replicate what happens in these situations
and we tried purposely try to make a chaotic and we purposely
try to make it a mess. So that when if and hopefully not this
ever happens. Teams will be ready.
This training session one of many across the bay area this
weekend. Part of urban shield, the largest real life drill for
police and fire in the country. Yeah, nice. feel real safe? I
really do.
What I am telling you those kids were those screams weren't like
say scream because drills you know they have drills that fire
drills in school but
who knows whether they frightened to kids? Did you see
the video where the kid screaming or was it was a bunch
of kids
running and waving their arms running up the thing. Kids
problem was probably they probably had some clown walking
around. Alright, I'm gonna I got my last two for you demolition.
This is the US version of the report and then we'll play the
BBC version right after that
demolition now underway at Sandy Hook Elementary School in
Connecticut, the site of that horrific shooting in Newtown
contractors reportedly told to erase every inch of the school.
The job is expected to take several weeks. The students
displaced after the mass shooting last year had been
going to school in a neighbouring town and a new
school is set to open a new town in 2016.
So these are the contractors that have to sign nondisclosure
disclosures and they have to destroy every single inch.
Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where 26
people were killed in a mass shooting last December is to be
demolished. A task force voted unanimously to tear down the
school and build a new one in its place. Every part of the
building will be destroyed to make sure that pieces of it are
not kept as souvenirs. Gah. Okay,
that makes sense. souvenirs. Okay, it's the souvenir hunters.
That way we have to stop really
seems unlikely.
Yeah. All right, I'm following some Bill and Melinda Gates
Foundation stuff, which I'm going to save for Thursday, but
it's pretty fun. Okay. In general, just more eugenic
stuff, which is, you know, yeah, I'm kind of loving all that. As
well as the whole Silk Road. Bitcoin thing is very bothersome
still how that's being reported. So we'll we'll check in on that.
Some news from Africa. And yes, yeah. And some more email. So
working on stuff. Just working working for you here at your
service doing the best we can. How about you?
I've got a couple of things. There's still a couple of things
on here. I could run one last little shorty.
Oh, okay, before we leave last one, then. Yeah, the touching
the belly clip is a kind of like a Baffler. That is like cheesy.
Does this make sense? But okay.
I knew law makes it illegal to touch pregnant women's tummies
Pennsylvania passed the law this week after a stranger kept
touching a woman's belly against her will. Watch.
Stop touching my belly. Wow. Wow, your will? What? Would they
tire down? I don't know this. Well,
there is. I have seen this. There's an annoying thing where
people walk up to pregnant women and say can I catch you badly? I
have seen it.
It is why I've seen it you but what is the point? It's not it's
a fascination in touch. You're pregnant? Well, I mean, I've
touched a pregnant woman's belly. But I don't know that I'm
compelled to.
It's it's a fascination with life. And it's a beautiful thing
that's happening and you makes you feel human. And you can't do
that slave STOP TOUCHING bellies.
Now it's against the law in Pennsylvania. Anyway.
That's it for six years.
Yeah, six years. We're going on to start in year seven on on
Thursday, which would be 561 5616 plus one is seven. And
so we have that coming up and really loaded for bear because
there's doesn't seem to be by the way, this should be the week
where there is an incident. That's right, six weeks cycle
starts a six week cycle so that we're gonna give it till the
next show, which would be Sunday, the next suddenly the
next Sunday show for something this week to happen. We'll see.
Coming to you from Austin, Texas in the morning. I'm Adam curry,
and from Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak.
We will talk to you again on Thursday right here. On no
agenda. Shut up, slave Tamati adios MoPhO Oh my goodness.
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