It is only a question of time when popular self government
will be impossible and will be succeeded by chaos and finally a
dictatorship. Hello 2013 Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's
Thursday, October 3 2013. Time for your gizmo nation media
assassination episode 553 is no agenda monitoring JT 65 on 20
meters, KF five SLM from the travel tight tight out in the
capital of the drone Star State Austin Tejas in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry,
and for Northern Silicon Valley, where I'm not monitoring
anything except the news. I'm John C. Dvorak.
It's like you've given me a bad name. Like I'm not like, I'm not
monitoring. Like, I'm not doing my job or something.
No, you're just saying you were monitoring. You're spending your
time on the hand. No, I'm not. Sorry.
I'm multitasking. I've got it rolling here. Just in case
someone needs to send me a secure message. Let's be honest,
the JT 65 is more secure than anything these days. Probably.
Yeah.
Is it as they figured, what are all these old codes going to do?
Anyway?
The conditions are great, though. Right now today. I five
watts. I'm all over the continental US up into Canada,
Mexico. It's pretty cool. How that works.
Yeah, well, I'm sure there's a couple of agents listening in.
No, I don't think so. Yeah, they're probably hams too.
They haven't. Yeah, they're, they have no time for this
bullcrap. Besides, they're all sequestered.
Yeah, that's right. There's that
I never thought I would be so affected by a shutdown.
Oh, you're affected? Oh, like? Yes.
Yes. And no, um, I am emotionally physically,
economically. I'm affected. I'm absolutely affected.
Well, you're not nearly as effective as that poor little
town in Kentucky.
But no, let's talk about me for a second. I'm affected.
Okay, well, we know that for a while that you're affected.
But won't mean, I'm not going to get my latest Silk Road order.
You're not gonna get it anyway. It's got nothing to do with it.
But budget shutdown? I'm
not talking about that. I'm talking about the shutdown of
the Silk Road. What do
you order something again?
Yeah. And yeah, like, I went to go check, and I got the
champagne notice. Too late. Now. I'm hoping the guy sent it.
Otherwise, I get in the way of opera. We'll talk about that in
a minute. Okay. I want to talk about a couple of things here
about this. Government. Yeah, you care about your
that list shut down. The Silk Road shutdown is affecting more
people than the government shutdown. So I don't know why
you prioritize it this way. But okay, I'll hang back. And
listen,
I'm just wondering, I, this show. My theme today is numbers.
I keep hearing numbers that don't make any sense. And people
keep throwing them out. And here's one, this is just a
little side note, but this is the little town in Kentucky
story. There's a number in here. That kind of baffles me. I don't
know, maybe somebody can explain as possible. I had to play this.
We also don't
know for sure yet. Whether or not these federal employees who
are furloughed, not by any choice of their own will be paid
retroactively. That would be the first time they weren't paid
retroactively. But if they're not, they'll also be down all
that amount of money that they could have been earning, while
they were actually if they had been working in the government
have been and had an open so we really start to see this effects
cascade and I think the important issue is the spillover
to the private sector. As Mark said cab drivers restaurants I
know about a case in Kentucky where 4000 IRS agents didn't
show up for work and usually people don't worry about the IRS
but they certainly do now the Chamber of Commerce, the
President of the Chamber of Commerce in that little town in
Kentucky, said none of the restaurants they were all dead
and all of the retail establishments around there were
all dead. And each week that this goes on we could see you
know, starting to shave real real growth off of GDP we
what what little town in Kentucky would have 4000 IRS age
did you do any research?
I didn't care too if it's a little town by definition that
means is you know what a little town is you ever been to one you
Texas is filled with them?
Yeah, like Round Rock is a little town.
Yeah. Why would there be 4000 any one thing of any one thing
in a little town? It just makes zero sense.
This 4000 agents seems to be a mean I'm not quite sure where
this is coming from. This is kind of interesting to you. As
you said this is you got numbers on the brain today, which is a
first that's it that's kind of the we're gonna we'll talk about
this a lot. I'm sure over
I got a song in my head too. I didn't make the clip. I should
have put the clip on Sunday shot What song is it? What song Nigel
That song we
are making plans for Nigel Nigel
yeah, that's all I had.
I won't so I played a song this morning on the pre stream which
is Jim diamond. And I should have known better to lie to one
as beautiful as
you I never heard that song in my life. Yeah, well that but it
was in my brain. There you go. This is the song has been in
your brain for a while. Now what are you lying to Mickey? Is that
what is is this a subconscious thing?
No, we both heard this. That's interesting. You say that? No.
Well, that's what the song is about. And that's what you just
keeps cropping up in your brain. No, we Nigel's because I was
Nigel Farraj
No, we were we were having dinner the other night. And the
song came on. And we're like, oh, it's a beautiful song. I
said, I'm gonna put it on the pre stream. So now I'm not lying
to Nikki.
Well, no, I'm just I'm just suggesting that the
psychological reasons for this song being in your brain might
be some guilt. No,
it's because we both heard it on the radio. That's why. Okay,
now, I want to say something about the government shutdown.
Because of course, you know, it looks like you know, the roads
are still open. It looks like I think I still have electricity.
But there I noticed
that we had a nine o'clock happen. We did a toast at the
buzzkill bunker. Yes, we did. We chose to the government
shutdown, the lights stayed on. The roads weren't shut down.
Everything was still running.
But let me say we will speak lightheartedly of this. But we
have a lot of people listening to this very show who are on
furlough. I don't want to spam Lear,
which may, the way it's been done in the past may amount to a
paid vacation.
It may be but I think it's already hurt us. I'm just
looking at the spreadsheet for today. I'm like, okay.
Oh, you don't think it's because Google and Yahoo through 90% of
the email in the spam box? I
think it's real. I think it's all related. Yeah,
I think I'm getting we've been getting through 50%. This last
mailing, I was gonna send out a second mailing I should have
after it came in at 12%. And then everybody's complaining me
all I found it in this thesis, it was been going to the
promotions box. But now it was went straight to spam spam. And
the curious thing was when I saw I tested these things. So I
tested by signing up for I create a bogus Yahoo accounts
signed up. So I went through this is the process where you
click on sign up for the newsletter, you sign up. And
then because MailChimp and all these services actually do a
very good job of making sure that it's not a spammer, and all
the rest, they do that pre work for these companies. And they
abide by all the laws and everything. The when the process
of signing up, you sign up, then they send you an email to
confirm. So you're just not signing people up to porn sites
or whatever, right? The confirmation on the Yahoo site,
the Google one did get through but the Yahoo site the
confirmation, notice that the spam went to spam which makes
which tells me that Yahoo is either there. There's some
corruption going on I specifically as Google if if you
have to pay to get your email through nowadays, and I send it
right to the press office, which is what the process you have to
go through and answer anything back yet. But I'll ask them
again, just give me a second shot. If this is true, because
if somebody if you remember, we got an email from somebody
saying that it's all rigged, the whole thing's fixed yet and
apparently, you know, I'm not paying their bribes. I don't
know,
there is there is an absolute bribe system in place. And it's
called strong mail, which is now called strong view. And these
are the guys that help help you get whitelist as as as a
company, but even they have no control over the over the
promotions tab, but they do have control over spam. And yeah,
it's like you know, if our if our livelihood is dependent upon
the spam filters of Google and Yahoo, well, let's just cut the
show's short let's go find something else to do. You know,
seriously, yeah, no, yeah. But so I looked at the numbers that
came in today. I'm like, you know, we got like, we're really
gonna have a very short segment today. Donations on both Yeah.
And to me it was like Well, yes, I got a lot of email about you
know, the newsletter which is a reminder for people to listen
and all and by the way, as a lot of content here in your
newsletter,
maybe we were wasting my time apparently, ya
know that that was a huge waste of your time. It reminds people
to listen, who then are going oh, shoot, you know, maybe it's
time to support them. It's what absolutely works, but I think
the furlough is also partly responsible. The shutdown people
I know a lot of people who listen to the show who are now
furloughed, you know, they're getting IOUs and there's DoD
police. There's all kinds of different entities that you
don't think about necessarily. It certainly seems like all the
SIS admins and web admins have been furloughed, so Every
government website has like, oh, because of the shutdown, we
can't, you know, update our website which is, to me hurt it
hurt preparatory actions for the show. I mean, I could not find
out if, for instance, if this Silk Road complaint and I have
two of them, one from New York and one from Maryland, if
they're true or not, I don't really I can't see if they
release them on their website because they haven't been
updated. So, so I'm not too cavalier about
it, it would be better if there wasn't a shutdown.
Yeah, in general, I'm just not going to be that cavalier about
hahaha,
but I'm going to be cavalier so you don't have to Okay, good. So
I've got a here's what we here's another number that got to me
after listening to that other clip. This one here is this.
This by the way, it was done in KSP. wn Salinas, a little
station and this guy's into digital, digital Senator digital
Operations Center. This guy's reporting from apparently you
know, the fake studio they set up in a green screen room. But
listen to this report on government shutdown, government
shutdown costs.
The game of tug of war, as our nation's leaders fought over the
national budget has ended once again, in a stalemate. The sun
will soon come up on the second day of the first partial
government shutdown since 1996. I'm in our digital Operations
Center monitoring the feeds with the latest Washington DC as the
tamped government shutdown keeps running up. Now the irony is the
dispute over government spending will actually end up costing the
US government more money at cost 12 and a half million dollars
each hour, the government shutdown is 300 million each day
and $16 billion in just a week. And that's just for government
contracts.
Does this make any sense to you?
Yeah, yeah, I
think it makes sense. I think, by the way, millions of dollars
a day times seven. What is that? 2.1 billion. How does that come
to 16 billion. How do you get to 16 billion from $300 million a
day loss?
Right? Did he say it again? You
played him? Do the math yourself? This is at $16
billion. How does it call it? I lay off everybody costing me
money.
I'm with you. I'm with you. There seems to be a problem in
general, not just in the news media, but also in our house of
representatives with math. Let me play for you two quickies
here from Louise Slaughter. I believe she is the Democratic
Representative from Maryland, I think. And she's she's really
full of crap. But funnily So,
the Washington Post this morning, sum up what this fight
always has been, and continues to be about defunding the
Affordable Care Act and taking health care away from 300
million Americans who have no insurance.
300 million Americans have no insurance John didn't stop there
and got better.
Yesterday was indeed a historic day for our nation for every
American who's ever been denied access to health care. In my
home state of New York, there were more than 2 million visits
to our online exchange in less than 90 minutes. And by later in
the day, the last number that I have just for yesterday, 10
million people have visited the website at the end of the day.
That is about 12% of the entire population of the state of New
York yesterday.
So 10 million people is 12% of the entire state of New York.
Millions do they have most of the country, apparently you have
no health care
90 million. According to her, this is
what we're dealing with. Thank you, by the way, a lot of
producers, I guess the non essential personnel are the ones
who listen to this podcast. They had a lot of time to make some
great clips for us. I got some good stuff, people clipping on C
span and sending in mp3. Thank you. This is very, very helpful.
Yeah, I'm telling you 50% of the no agenda audience is non
essential personnel. Welcome.
So the point is, is that these numbers are being thrown around
and the public are idiots to listen to this. I mean, the 300
million times seven being 16 billion is one good example. But
it's the question that comes where I started digging into
this was the question. I have an agency that cost me $100 million
a year to run.
And FYI, a small agency I'm
storing some numbers out just as an example the way they're the
logic is here 100 million dollars budget because I got all
these people working this overhead and I shut the agency
down and turn off the lights. Yeah, where's the 100 million to
send everybody for oil? Now it's costing me 200 million. is it
costing me more with all these people? 800,000 Potentially. But
how's it cost me more in the billions of dollars? To not be
paying people?
Yeah, I, here's what I don't think we should do. We should
not participate in this reality show. This this insanity that is
the reality show of the shutdown because that's all that it is.
And it's funny. Mr. McKee and I were advised to watch a
documentary and I think everyone should watch this documentary
even though I have issues with it. It's called I Am you ever
heard of this documentary? Yep. Have you seen it? No. So this is
the the director who directed I think most of the Jim Carrey
movies he did. His name is Tom Shadyac. He did Ace Ventura,
Bruce Almighty, He had some really huge hit hit movies. And
he had a horrible accident. And he many soul searching whatever
he went on this journey to find out about human nature. And why
you know why we're not like our, like our natural brothers, like
the apes, or you know, how birds can all you know, do things
together. And even though we do apparently mirror, all kinds of
emotions, anyway, little bit fuzzy here and there. But in
general, the idea was, right, the real takeaway I had from it,
which is something which was kind of a scientific bit that I
liked. And this almost at the beginning of the documentary,
they did monitor someone's heart. And when you're in love,
or when you have pure happy thoughts, then you have a
beautiful sine wave of your, your entire heart rate and
everything that's pumping. And the whole idea here is that
really, it's not our brain that is the main mechanism, but our
heart is the main mechanism. And when you're angry, that's when
it's all distorted. And it's got, you know, like, choppy,
it's all over the place. And when that happens, your heart
and in this theory, that your heart is really feeding your
brain with information instead of the other way around. Your
heart can then not send proper or any information to the brain.
So you kind of become dumb. And that's why you have blind rage.
You know, people who are really angry, they, you know, they,
they, they do stuff without thinking. And I'm like this is
this has got to be what some of this is, if you just look on
Twitter or on Facebook, people are mad, they're getting mad,
and I think they're being riled up to be mad. And when you're
mad, you become dumb. And when you're dumb, that's when all
kinds of other shit happens that we're supposed to catch here on
the no agenda show.
Well, my favorite catch. Is that have you heard about this guy,
Beale?
I'm one of the whistleblowers.
So I got this on C span. Three. There's a hearing going on as we
speak. And of course, nobody knows it. Now.
Of course, you know, why would we do that? So this
guy Beal, for the last 13 years, there's been a high level
executive at the EPA, posing to the EPA administration as a CIA
agent. Oh, wow. So he's dropped, like at least a million dollars
in just in expenses. Over these years? Yeah. So now he was
busted because he retired and they had a big retirement party
for him. But he decided because he's such as slime ball, that he
was going to rig the computers and make sure he still got his
paycheck. So so that's how he got busted, actually. And it was
turned out I ice is one of the committee members who've said
you would this guy have ever been caught if he hadn't done
this one last thing? And it would apparently not he wouldn't
have. So this hearing is goes on. It's one of the funniest
hearings I've ever seen. But there was a couple of weird
things that were brought out into it, including the fact that
probably most of the government agencies have CIA people
embedded in the agencies. And the way that works is kind of
explained in this clip right here, which
is called they typically call it a civilian in the Pentagon is
how the agent is always identified.
Yes. Here's a clip embedded.
Oh, I'm sorry. Which was embedded See, I had
Yeah, embedded CIA. I don't have that one. Yes, embedded CIA in
agencies.
I love you, man. But I don't
have that clip. Why don't is right under Eliquis. Yeah,
right.
I have the eloquence But why don't I have the home on I'm
sorry?
Are you getting these from the FUBAR account or the other
account? Yeah,
well, they all come in the same one. It's it's also just
possible that somehow when I'm downloading them something, I
don't know. I don't know. I got it here. Yes, okay. Sorry
about that. Here we go. I'm not allowed to see classified
material, because there was no security clearance on file with
the EPA Office of Security.
I thank the gentleman. I just want to hear one more time since
2008. The head of each agency is given a List of anyone who is a
clandestine agent working under their cover.
That's my understanding is Chairman from an intelligence
directive 304. It's on the internet. And it pretty much
explains that the requirement of the Director of National
Intelligence in the CIA to inform executive branch
agencies.
So Secretary Clinton would know everyone at the State
Department. And her deputy would know everyone who was CIA
implant, the EPA directors, each of them are administrators, each
would have been given this information. So if the
administrator had even one person who was embedded, that
they would know that we don't need to know if they have one.
But if any agency had an embedded CIA person, that they
would have, in fact, had a list and he would not have been on it
since 1008. That's right. That's my understanding was the
chairman that I shared with the gentleman from South Carolina is
outraged. But 2008 was a long time ago to I seem to remember
George W. Bush was president then. Oh.
So you've throws that in for no apparent reason. But, but 2008
is when Lisa Jackson got the job. And these memos, were
apparently showing up on desks with the names of any agents
that were in the, you know, the APA or any any and so this
character Beall was working for her and she I couldn't I guess
she was so stupid. This Lisa Jaksta that she's the arrogant
woman that's now yeah, she's the new woman that came in
McCarthy's The one who busted this found this out because she
was suspicious. Because what she did was she looked at the list
and didn't see his name. Meanwhile, Jackson, such an
idiot, she didn't see his name and didn't care. I apparently
are and you know, who knows, maybe took her out to dinner a
lot. Whatever the case is, this is a growing scandal that has
not been covered by anybody, although you can look it up. I
mean, you'll find some obscure reports on it. But it's, it's to
me, it's very humorous. And it seemed to me that I so if
nothing else, when he threw this question, that was why was he
because this was like yesterday, why is he talking about a
Hillary as Secretary of State knowing who the CIA, so he's
going right back to the Benghazi. Yeah, no,
of course. That's what he's doing. And he's but he's also
really trying to make the connection between the CIA and
the State Department, which is it is they're side by side.
They're intertwined. They're like DNA together.
That's what they do, obviously. Yeah.
My uncle Uncle Don, he would always say he worked for the
State Department, which we always find very funny. Yeah, of
course, he wasn't. He wasn't ambassador. So you know, he'd be
working for the State Department. But before that, he
was also for the State Department as a civilian in the
Pentagon. I'm telling you, I know these things. A few things
I know for sure.
So that's it. So they do have a little commentary on Gina
McCarthy and Beal if you want to play recollection. With that we
go to the gentleman
from Maryland. Okay, I understand that Mr. Beales Freud
was initially uncovered by the EPA current Administrator, Gina
McCarthy back when she was Assistant Administrator of the
Office of Air and Radiation is that right?
Is that correct? Yes, sir. I understand that the
Administrator McCarthy started asking questions about that's
all you got.
Oh, must have cut it off whatever the case I'll tell you
what happened. So he goes on and kind of deconstruct sound
McCarthy found out about it, and then how this fraud would have
continued forever. Because the guy was quitting the agency once
she started nosing around, and but this some how he's decided
he thinks you sneak a check out of there anyway. But this is the
kind of thing that must be going on at all levels of government.
Do
you know you know, where Lisa Jackson went doing? You?
Know what? You go the World Bank?
No, hold on a second. No. You'll never
guess if you don't know you'll never guess. I don't know. I'll
never guess Yes. Correct.
She she went to Apple.
Oh, that's right. I didn't know. I didn't know
that. She will be head of the Environmental Programs.
Yes, she's just bullcrap job. Alright, so I
watched a little bit of C span because I you know, of course,
this is what we're trained to do. And I was happy to see a lot
of producers of the program doing the same and looking
elsewhere because that is always what these things are. Nothing
to see. Look at that. And we had an interesting session going on
with our favorite douche boggles clapper. The Kaiser was there.
Lindsey Graham was pontificating and clapper. And this, of course
is the this is all about the the shutdown and how dangerous this
is and oh my goodness, what are we going to do? And Clapper is
it's unbelievable. We know that, you know, everyone that even the
New York Times I think says openly now clapper lied. You
know, he said no.
Congress under oath Congress under oath which was come of
that, but I haven't watched what happened.
Nothing. Oh, nothing happened. Except I mean he got mad to
Clapper is here and for the next minute and a half he will lie to
you again
or if sorry with you. I would like to answer your question
about the impacts of the government shutdown and
furloughing our civilians. First, the the legal standard
against which we make decisions about who is furloughed and who
isn't is, and this is quoting from the law is that which is
necessary to protect against eminent threat, eminent threat
to life or
isn't it imminent? He keeps saying eminent that I don't
think that's the correct word is it isn't imminent?
I think it is imminent. Let's take a look.
You take a look while we listen to more property.
And so are applying that standard is what resulted across
the board in furloughing roughly 70% I think that will change as
this if this drags on. And we will make adjustments depending
on what we see as the potential eminent threats to life or
property to quote the law
keep seeing eminent I'm telling you
the eminent means a high station rank or repute like you know,
you're the eminent statesman, or in a secondary way it also means
even though this is not what he means because eminent to him,
he's meaning a meat, you know, happening any minute now. Or a
thread that's that is upon imminent as a threat that's upon
right. In fact, here's the definition of imminent is ready
to take place. But but you could say that Well, I meant eminent
because eminent also means is a secondary definition.
Conspicuous. Signal Horton stretch. You know, ya know, he's
the wrong word. He's like an idiot. Yeah. Yes. I
will tell you those two impacts. I've been in the intelligence
business for about 50 years.
How old is he?
He's been nearly 70 something. I guess he was telling us business
for 50 years. Let's get his. Let's look at him
up. I think we need to pull this guy apart. What do you have on
age? He must be 70 I mean, you can't You're not an intelligence
services when you're 15
He was born in 41. And so that
makes him 70 older than 7041
Yeah, it makes him 72 So he joined when he was in his 20s so
now there was waiting. Let me get this right. He's never done
anything else in his life, apparently except Spy. Spy. So
he's time from fire. He's
a spy. That's right. Who knows what he was he was probably you
know, keep an eye out of his mama spend the
United States Marine Corps transferred Air Force Reserve
training camps. He was commissioned to 63 as a
distinguished military graduate from 50 That'd be 50 years he
commanded signals and tele okay he actually began
signals intelligence Yeah. Okay. Quick update from the back
channel please everybody do not keep hitting reconnect if your
stream is jittery, just stay calm look at the floor and it
will all go away let's continue with clapper
never seen anything like this from my view I think this on top
of the sequestration cuts that we're already taking that this
seriously damages our ability to protect the safety and security
of this nation is is going to die I would commend to you
Senator Feinstein superb statement yesterday on the floor
her I think
the the words Feinstein and superb just can't go in the same
sentence makes zero
difference with which I completely agree. This affects
our ability This is not just a beltway issue this affects our
global capabilities
so we understand what he's saying there so he's with so
he's on the in the hot seats there with with the Kaiser and
and Lindsey Graham is doing it Lindsey Graham we're in this
position because of people like Lindsey Graham okay we really
need to get rid of these people these people have to be voted
out for good really they have to go it says all we get the
government we deserve so you can't be blaming government it's
your fault my fault everyone's fault. This is what we deserve.
But listen to this guy as he is just talking about but we'll see
we'll see
no any of them and they're patriots as much as anybody who
criticizes the program and all right did you tell the president
united states what you just
Oh Stop stop stop that. Stop me sound like the creepy gay guy on
the Family Guy Show not not not Herbert the pervert. But the
other one. Kind of creepy hip guy.
Oh, you know it sounds like the next door neighbor
guy or the guy that talks kind of soft. He's has a soft he's.
No, he's not the next door neighbor. He's okay. I'll have
to get his name Johnny but somebody in the chat room
would not have So I don't watch them now. I don't watch
anything. I'm sorry, but
it sounds like that guy. All right.
Also the government shutdown that our nation is less secure.
Yes. What did he say?
Okay, so he so apparently he told the President that we would
be less secure. Discuss it yesterday.
Well, you just You scared the hell out of all US. Least I'm
scared.
I'm pooping in my pants.
When you tell me that 70% of the NSA is unable to go to work, not
because they're necessary, but because of the statutes the way
it's worded. Both of you've made very clear presentations to this
committee, that the government shutdown in a post 911 world is
making this nation less safe.
Oh, okay. It's a post 911 world that right General
Alexander? Hey, guys, we're back. Senator. That's correct.
Right. Yeah, well to Mr. Gates, who told the president his
political adviser, former press secretary, he advised the
president to just watch the shutdown. Do you think that's
the responsible thing for the President to do as commander in
chief to not negotiate or just watch the shutdown? The shutdown
that notice the little Oh, no, notice the little, the little
flub there. The showdown? I mean, the shutdown oops, sorry.
Showdown.
It's what is it the showdown at OK Corral. Was that showdown
with it? Isn't that the title of a showdown at OK Corral is
showdown
with this. This showdown is what he's talking? Funny. Yeah. Well,
I'm not gonna like you don't have to call the President or
jerk bow by following Yeah,
I'll do it for you. I'll do it again.
I think it's irresponsible for all of us to let it continue.
But where the hell is the commander in chief? If you
really told him that, that our nation is less safe?
I agree with this. I'm with Lindsey Graham on
20 ideas. A political This is the show, like beside himself.
Yeah. But but I'm I'm agreeing with Lindsey Graham here.
Because yeah, you know, if the President always tells us his
number one priority is keeping the the American citizenry safe.
Number one priority number
in on anything, just to make sure that continues to happen.
This reminds me of the Feinstein clip we had last show, where she
says Oh, this this, this, this raid of the mall could happen
here, which is admitting that we have no else.
Well, now, I will cut straight to clip number two here. And
this is where now of course, you know, whenever we're talking
about security and intelligence, we have to talk about pre 911,
post 911. And I have a question. This will be an asked John
question. But it may turn out to be rhetorical if I can't help
myself from screaming the answer now
about 911. General Alexander, if we had the technology and the
programs in place today, before 11 What would be the likelihood
that we have detected that attack?
Oh, John, what do you think? Whoa, this is a big question.
Senator, my professional opinion, it would have been very
high that I do.
I do agree. I
am here to tell the American people if we had in place today.
Before 911, the 19 hijackers who were here in the country, most
of them illegal status, talking to people abroad, we would have
known what they were up to, we would have known why the guy was
just taking flying lessons to take the plane off and didn't
care about the part of the flying lessons to landed, which
was kind of odd to me. I want to pay for flying lessons. But I
don't care to learn to land the plane. So at the end of the day,
well, that's really simplifying what happened, isn't it?
My question to both of you is simple. Simple. Let's reform
this program where it's gotten out of line. Let's be sensitive.
Let me ask you a question. I'll just stop it here. If that is
true, if today we could have awarded this, you know, they'd
be talking to each
other way. There's been plenty hearings, we've heard many of
them. We've had many on the show that say this is a bull crap
argument is not true. We had most of these programs in place
before 911 and some other programs. Excuse me,
who are you to question 50 years and intelligence? Who are you to
question the Kaiser who has Star Trek Enterprise bridge as an
officer? Were you to question that slave?
I have. I'm not in a position to question it. And I'm sure that
he would do anything to keep his budget. Now let me ask you this
nice job that Job never exists.
Here's the ask John question. If this if they indeed if we had
everything we know today, which is the same we would have known
six months ago, I presume that the intelligence is kind of for
about a year or so it's kind of on par? Why were the Sarnath
brother's able to make the Boston bombing happen? What
happened to this great apparatus? I don't know.
Doesn't work. How come the state didn't stop the mall shooting in
Kenya since its role worldwide? And most of the things they've
stopped have been overseas. They didn't do anything about that.
Yeah, they didn't do anything about the guy in Times Square
who stopped by the public. They didn't do anything about it
except one guy they hit where we saw this crazy videos of the guy
loading up with peroxide. Remember this about three years
ago? Yeah, he was at the beauty supply. Apparently, cameras. At
the NSA, it seems unlikely. They haven't stopped anything except
one money laundering guy. We've had the clip of the guy doing
the briefing, where he went through all these 50 i 50.
Supposedly terrorist plots if you give us only none, that were
worth a powder,
and then we'll wind it up with with an interesting, this is
just lies. Yeah. And Lindsey Graham is just part of some
system to soak the American public. When of course, there
was a good article about which I put in the newsletter, link to
it of a poor woman who was the privacy person,
I didn't get the newsletter. So I don't know what you're talking
about. The privacy
was a privacy person at DHS, and everybody called her a
terrorist. And people would come up to say, if these concerns are
yours, when when the next 911 happens, we're going to blame
you
fault. Where were you working? Where were she working?
She was at DHS. Wow. And she also made the comment that no,
there is no such person at NSA, even though they claim to have
one. Interesting. No, they don't care about it. The whole thing
is cover your ass. And departmentalized as covering
yes. Do whatever you can to keep your budgets high. Lindsey
Graham
brings up two concepts here. One I found very exciting. And the
other I was found curious which we live
are their active efforts by terrorist organizations to
penetrate the United States.
Now this got me all excited. Because I'm like, if there's
going to be any penetrating going on come on to Austin
brothers. Let's let's have a party a the penetrate here. Yes,
absolutely. Yes. As we speak as we speak, John, I'm being
penetrated as we speak.
Do you play Do you believe they're people probably already
here as part of a fifth column movement?
What is a fifth column movement?
I don't know. Because it doesn't sound good.
I've got a fifth column and I'm coming to penetrate you as we
speak. There are sleeper their sleeper presents. Progressively.
I wouldn't call it
sleep. I know. There you go. Get
him don't get asleep. They're asleep. Don't wake them up
again.
Um, you got all these all these phone records.
They're asleep. Getting ready to penetrate column there
are various entities. Fair enough. And I'll end with this.
Fair enough.
Hey, what is the fifth column?
What is the various entity? Let me know about him. Go get him go
pick them up.
Fifth Column. All right. Oh, it's Oh, it has an actual book
of knowledge entry.
Oh, yeah. The fifth column that used to be it may just Yeah,
it's got a funny definition. Right. Let
me read let me read from the definition. A fifth column is a
group of people who undermine a larger group such as a nation or
a besieged city from within. The activities of a fifth column can
be overt or clandestine, and me within forces gathered in secret
can mobilize when coordination with an external attack requires
and extend to even to uniform military operations as part of a
coordinated campaign.
That kind of conflicts with the lone wolf.
Just a little bit. They can be clandestine, involving acts of
sabotage, disinformation campaigns or espionage. Oh, that
sounds right to me. I think that sounds like
the fifth column is like clapper fifth
column is sitting right there in Congress. Man Oh, man oh, man.
This is but the the penetration thing that was that you know,
that kid got to that you know that they're saying it just
Yeah, it's code.
No, you're right. They said they're saying it again.
Probably giggling to themselves
like me.
Well, I have one that here's an example of that kind of thing on
the TV. This is the this just casual report about again of the
shutdown or something. But you gotta listen to this. It's
called the prick comment. And I just I know they're giggling in
the in the control room and this guy does his little speech
rights. And the possibility for calamity is all too real,
serious likelihood that we'll plunge the country and possibly
the world into a financial crisis similar to what we had in
2007 2008 2009.
Of course, we all remember what that was like. Now, it should be
said we are still a few weeks away from the US hitting its
debt ceiling and field says it is possible lawmakers will see
how Americans react to this shutdown and reverse their
course but if they don't, the shutdown could feel like a
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all right. So here is the question that I need answered.
Now, we have been talking on this very program, sometimes
known as the best podcast in the universe, about the potential
for a meltdown of the economy in October. Right now, let me let
me just understand, I'm going to ask you some rhetorical
questions we've seen
maybe rhetorical questions are not real questions,
but I'm still going to ask them the way I understand what is
happening with the the quantitative easing, and the
Federal Reserve is the following. The Federal Reserve
gives or lends money to banks for free basically at 0%
interest. Well, it's
pretty close to that.
I mean, it may be the what do you call that a basis point? So
you know, maybe a 100th of a percent, whatever it is very
small. It's just a small prick.
Yeah, just a
prick. And the bank will then take that, and they will then go
and buy US bonds, which will give them a return of 2.3% or
whatever. That's that's kind of the scam. Right? Isn't that kind
of how it works?
Well, I think that's just one element as a bigger budget, but
that's it
is that's a multibillion dollar system. Right there. Right.
was mostly the Federal Reserve buying the bonds.
Yeah. But the Federal Reserve consists of banks. I mean,
that's what Goldman Sachs. Yeah. It's the Federal Reserve System.
So it's the bank. Okay, thank you.
We're buying we're buying we're essentially create creating
money when it comes to the point of set, but 80 plus billion
dollars a month,
but here and the American people pay interest on that, of, you
know, on the 10 year bond 2.3%. It's very small amount of money.
Well, that depends on how big the number of bonds I mean, at
built what's 2.3% as a billionth of a trillion dollars?
Well, it's a bit, it adds up,
it adds up. Now, if we continue with the government shutdown,
and we possibly, you know, we all know how the the fake rating
agencies work, they'll get pulled in, and they give us a
ding on the rating.
There's no evidence that's masking They already gave us a
date. Just Can I get the question out before you know,
it's a rhetorical question. So I'm kibbutz. Okay. Let's
say that it were a month down the road. And so now the full
faith and credit is being questioned, etc. Would it not
behoove the the system behoove the system down behoove? Would
it not behoove the system to have the creating credit rating
affected or the markets in some other way start to raise the
yield on these treasury bonds? Which is what happens right?
Isn't it like the
less it could happen? Yes. Well, no, it's terrible.
No, but that will be great for the banks, wouldn't it? The
banks are holding all these bonds. Yeah, no, but there'll be
making more interest. Dollars.
Is that not how it works? The bonds goes down in value
goes down in value, but the but the returns
or whatever return you get? Yeah. But it's a fulcrum. It's
like I was like a teeter totter Hold
on a sec. But that goes on for a little while. And then
everything back to normal, we settle all everything and then
they've made a nice little, you know, everyone can make like $10
billion, easy, easy money. Is that is that not pass? Trouble
is that's part of an overall scheme just let's look JP Morgan
is going to about to pay an $11 billion fine that's at best yeah
those guys where did they get this money from?
I like to know myself. Wrong business
Did you see that? It's been going around Did you see the
CNBC Intro This was this was actually phenomenally funny. The
guy for I guess the guy from is it slate? I think it's slate or
salon maybe he wrote he wrote an article about Jamie Dimon saying
Jamie diamonds shouldn't be the underdog under no circumstance
will he be the CEO of JPMorgan Chase. You know, the guy's
horrible and then he went on CNBC with Maria Alex Purina is
his name and he went on salon salon. Yeah, he went on CNBC
with with a tip with Maria Bartiromo. Did you see this
thing? No, no Oh my god, let's let's just listen to it comment
as it goes along. It is unbelievable. How these people
are just pretend like like JP Morgan Chase have done nothing
wrong. Like they've never been they've never paid billions of
dollars in fines before. There's nothing to see here. There's no
corruption going on. Because because it's the most profitable
bank in the universe. Therefore, it's all great. If this was
really an unbelievable eye opener to me. Yep, absolutely.
Stocks down over 1%. This week, Jamie Dimon looking to end the
government probes into its selling of potentially shoddy
mortgage securities. He was at the Justice Department yesterday
working out the particulars
guys literally working on a deal
on a possible $11 billion settlement on both federal and
state levels. So why is the firm getting so much heat from
regulators?
Salon journalist Alex Perine is with us. He says Jamie Dimon is
the reason and he's doing more harm than good to JPMorgan
fortune. Steph McDonald could not disagree more.
They've got the duo box. They got Purina is there in the
studio. And then they got the guy from Fortune who's a shill.
He's on the remote.
Here we are talking about this, Alex to first legal problems
aside, JPMorgan remains one of the
best legal problems aside John we're just not noticed that if
not
the best performing major bank in the world today. You believe
the leader of that banks should should step down.
I think anytime you're looking at the greatest fine in the
history of Wall Street regulation, it's really worth
asking, Is this guy should this guy stay in his job in any other
industry? I can think another industry if you manage a
restaurant, and I got the biggest health department fine
in the history of restaurants, no one would be like yeah, but
the restaurants making a lot of money. There's only a little bit
of poison and has the qualifications. I thought this
guy
was very funny. Very funny. It's a false comparison and O'Neill
logic but it's very funny
what he had to do that because she these people are shilling so
hard for Jamie Dimon and JP Morgan that in your view,
I mean, I think the bank might be too big and too complicated
and at this point too corrupt for anyone to run but if we
could just give almost anyone else a shot and see if they
could do better to corrupt is a bit hyperbolic perhaps.
You can't be saying that about JP Morgan. You can't do it just
to corrupt that is hyperbole I tell you you agree
or disagree Absolutely not. It's a obviously got attention with
this article. He got your attention is preposterous. The
stocks touching a 10 year high it's a cash generating machine.
Sure there. They've had their regulatory issues but
do you not see the humor in this? That's very good. Yeah,
they've had their regulatory issues.
I've had some issues but looking at as a cash generating machine
looking to settle them expeditiously at this it gets it
gets even funnier Ben Bergeron.
This guy's got like a stick up his ass on the way talk wait
until you
hear Bartiromo though she goes off it's hilarious point, which
is everything you want out of the CEO. It's an absurd
suggestion. Maybe we should pose the question. Does Jamie Dimon.
Sorry,
the guy's name is Duff,
I guess. Duff. Like you're like, well, Duff Mckagan famous,
sorry, to go. I mean, given everything that's been going on
around this company, it seems like he's taking arrows from all
sides. Almost every week at this point. Maybe he doesn't want it
anymore. And within a year, he's not even gonna be there. Who
knows? But Jamie, I doubt he's interested in leaving for one he
probably wouldn't want to leave on a low note like this. But,
you know, he's expressed a desire to stick around for quite
some time. The only thing that's going to have him leave is the
board or shareholders basically showing him the door. And, you
know, despite suggestions that he should leave because they're
paying a fine, you know, no major shareholders are calling
for his departure.
cash generating machine of course not who cares I mean you
just have to pay you know 30% of your of your net profit is going
fine
era were AT and T was slamming its customers. Remember this, we
had this problem in this house right here. And they would slam
and slam slam, it turned out the money they were making by
ripping people off with long distance charges, it was worth
it. The money they had to pay in fines was less than the officer
making on the scam. Exactly. So as long as that's in play, Only
an idiot wouldn't take advantage of it. Talk about the
financial strength of JP Morgan. At this point. I mean, even with
all of these losses, the company continues to churn out 10s of
billions of dollars in earnings and hundreds of billions of
dollars in revenue. How do you criticize that?
How can you criticize the blatant corruption and criminal
enterprise that is JP Morgan, you can't do that.
I've Well, I think a lot of their earnings and revenue we've
seen have come from really shady dealings that they've been. They
have
Katie dealings name three shady dealings. Oh, wow,
do you have a minute all right, bribery in China hiring day.
This
is where he went off the rails. That was not a good one. I mean,
come on. And then they just pay like it's a billion dollar fine
for something just last year. They're all they've all been.
They've been paying. I think seven eight, maybe my doing
business. Nepotism knows that you can't prove nepotism. Cuz
she is blowing Jamie Dimon, listen to how
good you were Hold on a second. This is the NBC right? Yeah.
They bring you on for the sole purpose of making these
arguments. They these pre when you do CNBC, they call you in
advance. And the producer asks you what they're going to tell
you what they're going to ask you and then they get your
answers. And you actually do the show kind of in advance before
they drop you into that box. And then when you're in the bus, you
are supposed to perform like, like,
he's, he's in the studio and he's supposed to do I think this
is he wrote this article, this blog post. And it was you know,
Jamie Dimon has to go and so they know so there's gonna be a
it seems to me that the target of this of this discussion was
JP Morgan and Jamie Dimon not as guidance Oh, no, set him up. Oh,
the target is this guy from salon he is he is to be brought
down. This is what's so beautiful about this. Because
this is not real reporting. This is Maria Bartiromo on giving him
crap on the JP Morgan Chase prick
bribery in China hiring nepotism that you can't prove. Well, the
nepotism hiring the prominent Chinese officials is not
something I just charge. They haven't been charged. But it's a
fact it's in the news. Everyone knows about the fact that they
hired the children of prominent party officials. And there's a
spreadsheet on which it's connected to deals they were
trying to do in China hiring connected people
in actual fact, on this program, because anyone could
JPMorgan and see this. I mean, it's not it wasn't the New York
Times it's not the New York Times. York Times
I'm sorry, the New York Times for as as as little regard as I
might have for it is still kind of the paper of record of the
United States. And she's going like oh, well, because the New
York cattle believe that rags
What is she She sounds like she's one of the fox.
It's never been a crime to hire the children have connected. On
it, to the point. The point Maria makes when she when she
cites the performance of the bank, I mean, shareholders have
no reason to want this guy to leave 18% year to date. He's
considered to be one of the most respected CEOs on the street,
sometimes in some forums, even mentioned as a possible Treasury
Secretary somewhere down the line if he so chooses and SOS I
mean, why would shareholders want this guy to go? I think
that because he's a PR nightmare for the bank. If you look
outside of the financial media, if you look outside of CNBC,
like every time JP Morgan's been in the headlines for the last
year, it's been four terrible news. It's been bad PR for the
bank. And I think it maybe there is a bubble you can be in in
which you never hear anything negative about them. And then
you hear he's the smartest guy in Wall Street, but like out in
the rest of the world. It's nothing but bad PR from Diamond
and for JP Morgan. What about that? I
mean, as a lightweight,
we would have been so much better on doing this interview.
But it goes I just thought it was so funny just to hear Maria
Bartiromo like it maybe she's auditioning maybe she's getting
fired?
Well, she does have a shorter career. I mean, she ever since
cutie pie came in and then left she would push by her own. Aaron
burn it, burn it, burn it, burn it and burn it. Join it burn it.
Right. So the anyway the I think this is kind of poorly handled.
I'm not absolutely sure what the point of it was. But I do
remember what years and years ago when I was actually was in
New York so I caught some of the early shows. on CNBC while I was
there, and they there was a guy that came on this is before
Lehman Brothers went broke. And he had all the goods on Lehman
Brothers saying, here's what's going to happen. He came out
with a little book on it by Lehman Brothers is like down the
tubes are tearing we they had the same exact aggressive
approach with this guy who was well known to the CNBC crew. And
they jumped all over him for just saying anything bad about
layman or that they were in trouble. It was a huge and they
which is the same thing. Like they were defending this company
that it turns out was in great trouble, which does their course
or their viewership, no good. And they CNBC has this huge
weakness. They're kind of boosters for these big banks.
And some of these other guys even though they they're on the
wrong side of the argument. I'm now thinking that after hearing
this, that there's something really wrong with JP Morgan that
should be looked into it, maybe it's maybe it's gonna fall apart
or something's up the
thing that is not being discussed, which I kind of would
expect from from a CNBC news program is $11 billion in fines.
What did they do? I mean, you can't just say, oh, yeah, London
Whale. No, I mean, you know, I was speeding by 14 miles, I was
going 94 and an ad zone, I got a $248 ticket. All right, I see it
go up and with the more miles per hour that I'm exceeding that
limit, and a certain point, they just take me off the road, take
my license away, I'm done. You know, adios, MoPhO. What did you
do? That the end who then works with you on determining that
we're going to this has to be organized crime. If you're
saying okay, well, you made $35 billion in profit, that's your
net. But you did it with some illegal activity. Why are you
getting fined? You know, it's not like you shouldn't you're
not running your business properly. This that's not how
America works. It's not
the HSBC fine for all the money laundering.
I think it was 300 million or something.
HSBC money laundering fine. And that was like just nothing but
straight up illegal doings that way. I was literally
laundering drug money, drug money through through Mexican
banks, Mexican banks, yes. Their Mexican outfits.
1.9 billion. Okay. Okay, so they got hit with 1.9 billion for one
of the most onerous crimes supporting the drug industry.
And these guys were 11. So what you're saying is why? Yeah, what
we don't know about because it's like an awfully big fine
considering that HSBC. You know, it was 1.9 billion. But
headlines, by the way, are just outrageous. Well,
but you have to think so it's the number seems to be of
course, it's it's 33. Obviously, about a third but 33% of
whatever you make illegally. You have to kick back to the
government. Yeah, but I'm not quite sure. And by the way,
where does that go? Does that go into the treasury? Does that go?
I think it does, I think goes as a general Obama stash. Maybe,
but I think it was supposed to go into the general funds,
I believe, but yeah, but of course it's a spit in the
bucket. You know, but but it has to be that they're they're
really doing something highly illegal. And it's gotta be more
illegal than this money drug laundering. I'm telling you the
Silk Road shut down this this is it's funny. Let me tell you some
I got an I got a note. I got a message through backchannels
members, our friends in Zook.
Oh, yeah, zoo. Zoo. Okay,
and we're gonna see we're gonna fuck everybody. We love it. They
love it when I when I when I
Yeah, that's probably the sound like
no that no, that they they they were astounded. They thought it
was a recording of them I got a message from the Zook guys that
there was going to be a huge now the message I got was a little
different and it was it was the day before yesterday the message
was there's going to be a currency manipulation scam and
they were saying it was Iraqi dinars now the Iraqi dinar scam.
This has been going on for a long time and it's not an
official currency. It was like it was an official currency but
it's not really a forex currency that people trade in. So I'm
looking into I'm like wow, this this Why would these guys set me
up on an Iraqi dinar scam like I'm not supposed to go out and
buy some Iraqi dinars because it's or wait for it to drop and
then buy because it's gonna go up and then the next day? We see
because of the Silk Road shut down. We see the bitcoin price
go from 140 to 109. And then within an hour, it's back at
130.
Nice, nice rebound and today it is still hovering around
130 100 At the highest so far was 132. So a lot of money was
made on this. And it's not like everyone just went, Oh, no, no,
oh, we can't buy drugs, no more Bitcoin. So I'm thinking they
were giving me code I misunderstood the code. And it
was, and that there was a why would they be giving you code?
Because they like how I imitate their voice. They can't just say
what, you know, this is a pretty serious thing that happened. If
it's true. I'm I can't verify.
Well, let's talk about this now. Because I think people are
interested in our analysis of the Silk Road situation. Yes, I
agree. And so what do you have? I mean, I have I have a number
of things. I have a number of, I have a number of things, but my
things are all superficial, you'll have the number of things
that are probably more interesting.
Well, yeah, I went I went down, see if it's true, what I assert,
I went down. I went down multiple roads.
All right, well, let me come up with a couple of superficial
things first night. First of all, I'm not sure that this is
the same guy that started it off now that we know is no evidence
and then if you look at the indictment, at least a New York
one this indictment I felt is a crock of crap. It looks to me
like an advertisement for online drug buying. And it's looked at
me well, I put your minds we've got a great advertisement.
We'll remember but here's why. When when you say first of all
it is it completely explains how you do it, how it works. So it's
like okay, in case you ever want to buy drugs illegally online,
you can go to black market reloaded is a ton of drug sites
just like silk road that are around and that have now now
garnered strength amazingly. It tells you how to do it. It tells
you how it works. It tells you how you stay anonymous. In fact,
it tells you the thing is completely secure as long as
you're not having fake IDs sent over to rent servers that you
log in as you know, the douche a douchebag.org are actually
frosty at frosty frosty frosty died. Well frosted calm is a
Wendy's domain name. So that's kind of bullcrap. Right there.
But okay. Yeah.
No, that's a good good example. Yeah. So,
but it literally says that the quality of the drugs was
extremely high. This shoot great drugs, great products. So I felt
that if anything. This was a great wave. I don't know if they
even arrested anybody. We'd have no way of knowing there's no,
there's no one
wants to be over in San Francisco. Yeah, but where's
the perp walk? Where's the press?
We haven't seen him arrested. We don't.
I mean, this is this is huge. A billion dollars. They're saying
and no one's coming out and claiming victory. Are you
kidding me?
There's another thing there. The guy the Silk Road guy supposedly
made $80 million in commissions. He was sent to the middle of
living in his buddy's apartment. Yeah. And he's living in some
shithole in San Francisco with two roommates.
Like, yeah, okay, let me tell you. I don't care how
clandestine you want to be. If I have $80 million in, in
commissions from my little Silk Road Project, dude. And then, so
just to make it a little weirder. And I agree with you, I
thought the complaint which was basically request for an arrest
warrant, and by the way that I find it to be very strange the
way it was written. I thought it was poorly written. It uses the
the, the special FBI agent,
the Elliot Ness of narcotics. Well, he's
the same guy that nabbed Sabu of anonymous. Christopher Tarbell,
so I thought that would To me that was more of a red flag day
thing? Yeah. Oh, really. It's that guy. Again, this is all
they got. They only have one guy who can do this. So this and
then there's a second complaint that was filed in Maryland way.
By the way, just go back to the first complaint before you go to
the second time. I want to mention that the real the only
evidence they have it's the same guy is because he was on some
forum with his real name, asking for some some code that he could
run on the PHP server to fix a bug that apparently was at the
Silk Road on the Silk Road servers. And, and, and they took
the code that they used. This is bullcrap, by the way, but this
what they say? They found the code on the Silk Road service
that was similar, but not the same as the code he was given in
this forum to fix a bug problem. But that doesn't mean he wasn't
like a contractor. I mean, this is this is the evidence that is
that he's the guy
so well. So this was only used a pairing his own coat and to get
a war I know. So here's stuff that I didn't like. Count one of
the original A complaint. Is this in the Maryland complaint?
No, no, I'm gonna do the Maryland This is count one of
the New York one. Okay, Narcotics Trafficking
Conspiracy. And under the conspiracy, there's four points.
And then the fifth point, the sixth point is under overt acts
under the first count, is where he tried to have someone execute
another silk road user under murder for hire. Why is that
under? I'm not a lawyer. But why is that under Narcotics
Trafficking Conspiracy? And by the computer hacking conspiracy,
a money laundering conspiracy? So conspiring is one thing to do
something is another. So I'm not sure about it. Yeah,
the thing that's weird, is that this this assassination,
supposedly, which was, I guess, they've wiretap some
conversation, or they got some of his messages. They could
never prove that anyone was even killed. Well, well, they
mentioned that in here deeper, so no, I
saw it because they checked with the Canadian authorities.
However, the bit check the Bitcoin chain, of the payment
equaling this $150,000 That of course, everyone immediately all
over the web is oh, look, you can see here's the money it was
trending. You can you don't know really where it's going. But you
can follow the chain as to the this exact amount, which was
sent on that exact day. So it feels to me like this was very
carefully constructed to have this part of the story make
sense, even though we can't find a body in the Maryland
complaint? This is what's interesting. You know, in the
one you read, he refers to having killed someone having
someone killed before for $80,000.
Right? Well, there was a range of price.
Well, he says, Why does it have to be between 150 and $300,000?
I've had it done before for 80,000. Right, right. Right. So
that 80,000 in the Maryland complaint, on or about January
26 2013. Ross William Ulbricht aka Dread Pirate Roberts, aka
DPR communicated with the undercover agent via the
internet told the EEOC that the employee had been arrested by
law enforcement employee had stolen funds from other silk
road users. Asked the undercover agent to arrange for the
employee to be beaten and forced to return the money stating
specifically I'd like him beat up then forced to send the
Bitcoins he stole back. And then later, he says, I'd like to
change that the change the order to execute rather torture. And
this is where that $80,000 came from. Apparently, according to
this, he was he was, you know, and they staged with photos,
they stayed at this employee got beat up and was killed. But the
cops were luring him into doing this. And so
the one of those deals, yeah,
but it seems like do we have to separate agencies, two separate
people working on this? No one has really released this. I
mean, no one's talking about the Maryland complaint. Everyone's
talking about the New York one. And then of course, we get
everyone jumping up and down about how incredibly secure Tor
is and how great it works.
It's Yeah, I noticed that too. It seemed to be overdone.
Now, here's so here's where I found something, I believe have
interesting value. So the tour blog, and of course, this is our
buddy. What's his name Applebaum. This is the you know,
he speaks on behalf of Julian Assange and Laura Poitras. So he
writes his huge blog post about you know, if you read the
complaint, you can see that, you know, yes, he did some some
careless stuff happen. But that had nothing to do with the
security of Tor, the onion, everything works fantastic.
Everything's great. EFF comes out says something very similar.
I've always been suspicious of EFF. And I'm like, you know, and
then I see in this blog post that Tor is a 5013 C. nonprofit
corporation. Did you know that?
Oh, haha, yeah, got me in that one. And this is where at one
point, this is where Adam
gets a hard on. So I pull the 990. And this is always fun,
because you want to look at the address. Oh, by the way, they
brought in $1.3 million in 2011 2012 has not been filed
yet. They have a couple more weeks to do that. Not bad $1.3
million. For the Tor Project. Of course, you always have to
consider where that money is coming from. They have a
statement to develop improved distribute free publicly
available tools and programs that promote free speech, free
expression, civic engagement and privacy rights online. Okay, it
makes sense. Now, let's find out a little bit about where they're
Money is going they have. By the way, this Applebaum is not on
the he's not an employee. So we have Roger Dingle Dyne, which
that's an alias have ever heard one. Okay, Roger Dingle Dyne.
He's making 126 grand, Nick Mathewson. He makes 126 grand
Andrew lume Andrew lumen, he makes $140,000. And then they
have this interesting entry. No, if you had if you give more than
$100,000 of compensation to any external organization, you have
to report that and they say simply spent $127,500 on
formless networking, LLC 30 at Raymond Street, San Francisco.
So I'm looking around and it turns out that formless LLC was
target of an anonymous hit a couple years ago, and that
Anonymous was outing this this same organization as the company
that was helping to create servers for pedophiles and for
pedo. Bear networks. Right? There. I
remember this well, yeah, this went down. So the
so for some reason, foremost, LLC received 127 and a half
1000.
Wouldn't it make more sense that formless would be giving them
money? Not the other way around? That doesn't make any sense?
Well,
let's take a look at where their money comes from. This is, this
is kind of cool. Now remember, this is for free speech and to
protect your speech. And whenever I said, you know, I've
just learned just
Well, we've taken this approach if it says it's, you know,
something pro it's against, it's something Yes. Let's stop all
this for it. Right? Everything is the opposite.
Contract income from SR i, which is some form of Institute.
The Stanford Research Institute that went private is a think
tank. Yes.
Half a million dollars from them. Yes, I do a contract
income. I believe this is a Swedish think tank, a 279. The
National Science Foundation 143. And then something called the
Internet news network. Internet news network. Wow. John, have
you ever heard of the internet news network? No. Oh, please.
Point your browser to
Yeah, this is gonna be a good one.
It's really about internews.org. Yeah, go to interviews.org.
Well, I bring up their form 990. This one's a little longer.
Local voices global change global issues where we work our
stories.
Yeah. Why don't you go to our house? Yeah, go to our stories
slash in the news to our stories, so you get our our
dashboards.
All right, right. Where I'm looking. And what did we see all
kinds of logos here from people who
are helping you sad right at the top of the list? Yes. That would
be cry J net yo journalism handbook. Global Voices. This
world wife World Wildlife Federation, the voices? Irin.
Yeah, how much money do you think this? This little
nonprofit to this Internews? Let's see, let's just see. Let's
just see what their
guys basically produced. propaganda for various
organizations. Yes, that
would be correct. And so they give money to the Tor Project.
Why? Why?
Okay, so, let me let me just read from this here. I've
circled there there. So, okay, so inter news network. They they
work in Asia, Africa, Europe, in a rage I'll just give you Europe
just an exam. This is from their form 990. This is what they tell
the government that they do. We provide technical support to
independent TV, radio, print and online media sources in the
region. video, press release, train, career and citizen
journalism journalists in professional ethical journalism,
and assist traditional media outlets to create interactive
multimedia online presences. We work with local media, NGOs and
associations to create active networks of media professionals,
enabling them to speak out with one voice against censorship and
repressive policies. We provide legal assistance to journalists
and bloggers in trouble and advocate for free and open
Internet policies. Our work in the region creates opportunities
for dialogue across borders, bringing colleagues from
polarized societies together in collaborative exchanges. This is
for Europe. And you know how much money they brought in in in
2011 John to help a journalist and bloggers and non GAAP
governmental organizations across the world,
I would assume be over 10,000,050 $6 million.
Are you fucking kidding me? This is the propaganda arm. This is
where it comes from. And it comes in it comes in from USA ID
and all these other bull crap government or David Hoffman, by
the way the CEO makes $350,000 It's just it's a bonanza, their
their their assets at the end of 2011 was over $100 million. It
do they lobby? Oh, yeah, they spend a couple million dollars
on lobbying.
And why would a news organization be doing that?
Because they're locked, because it's propaganda. And the Tor
network is a part of it. And if if they're not, then they should
refuse money from this organization. This, this
organization stands for everything the Tor network
should not be unless it's compromised in some way. And
it's just one big joke.
Well, I tend to kind of be on that long, though, along those
lines.
So I'm just looking at some of the money they spent. So for
media assistance to Russia and the newly independent states in
2011 $11 million. Yeah, to F Putin. You think that this
tradition, this, these are the techno experts? John, this is
this. This is Hillary's techno expert program right here.
That's one of them. We're
going to teach you how to blog and blog about your horrible
leader. America good. Putin bad. Anyway, you can find all of
these form 990s under Silk Road in the show notes 553 dot na
shownotes.com. So you know, there's a couple of things going
on. Number one, Silk Road I think is definitely gone. I have
to say I found the logo that they they the the so called law
enforcement agencies who have seized this hidden site that
they had nice of them to put a little Silk Road logo in the
background. I thought that was a nice touch. I had no idea that
time to Photoshop that stuff. But okay. They found that to be
strange. Yes. If anything, if we don't see a perp, if we don't
see some guy getting strung up, we don't see people claiming big
victory over this $1.2 billion. I'm gonna say it was one, a
great manipulation scheme of Bitcoin. And someone made a lot
of good money on that. I will also say that it's probably
going to be black market Reloaded, although I don't think
that's a great name, there's going to be a silk road to that
will take off in the same manner. People will feel
confident they'll feel oh, you know, is this Tor stuff? It
totally works. And I think the government will actually be
running that one. I thought the government was running this one
because it was just too easy. It was working too. Well. It may
have been Yeah, well, no. It still couldn't be. But I think
that this is a great marketing exercise. Like, let's, let's
bust this.
No, you could I could make the argument that the government was
running it, it was a honeypot. And the reason that because you
actually yourself said that the the indictment, it was really
more of a promotion for how to use these systems to encourage
more people to try them. And so it would make sense because the
only reason the way you're gonna get this, this marketing
information, this this collateral information out is by
busting them.
Yeah. And having this document which is poorly written, I feel
the
same way over Users Guide by China. Yes.
Well, hold on. And since when does an FBI special special
officer Special Agent instances use the word fake? Fake IDs fake
this fake that? No, no. There are other words you use in these
types of reports, counterfeit, counterfeit, illegal, illicit,
but he always fake it was a fake ID that to me was not FBI
language. And for it to be the same guy who brought down
anonymous the a very funny
so we'll see. It would be funny if my order still showed up.
That would be cool. Otherwise, I'm out point eight Bitcoin
down.
Oh, well. Well, they had a really I picked up a couple of
different reports that were in the news. They had a really long
effect. I didn't even clip any of it because it was so long. It
was on PBS NewsHour. And they it was done. Apparently some woman
had some woman from ITV or some other organization had done some
report. And it was I would like to, I'm going to send it to you
eventually. So you can listen to the horrible cuts that were the
long click. You know, every time there was a edit, there was all
these edits. Everything was edited and you just hear click
it was a really bothered pop? Yeah, it was terrible. It was
the worst edited piece I ever heard
anywhere as we speak, by the way, just us talking about it.
Bitcoin up to one 30.6 We're good skywriting. We're good,
John. So, okay, so you weren't buying this either. I mean, no,
this is too much missing.
It was way too much missing. And the thing about the guy living
in an apartment with two roommates. Yeah, Josh was like a
little much. I mean, if you I mean, there's a million ways if
you're like, some. I mean, you could live with one of the
apartments at the Ritz Carlton. Maybe course he did. The whole
thing was bad. Yeah, yeah.
But we'll see. We'll do it. We'll slowly I'm
all here. I got here. I've got the report. Here. It's a silk
road and bad editing clip. Maybe some of this is on there. You
can just listen carefully to this report and tell me what you
think
television news investigated the world of online drug sales
recently. We begin with this account from correspondent
Cordelia Lynch,
we decided to see just how easy it is to buy drugs on a site
called Silk Road. Well, on here I can see everything from
heroin, crack, ecstasy pills. The heroin here goes from 225 US
dollars, up to 5000. You can even rate people. This is a
system based on trust. Here, the seller says two grams of the
best Afghan brown heroin to satisfaction guaranteed at
promises. We bought three and a half grams of MDMA, a key
ingredient in ecstasy and one gram of opium. Well, the
envelopes have arrived, it took just three days. And now we're
going to find out what's inside a government licensed
laboratory, and they're going to test the contents for us. Genre
Ramsey is a toxicologist who spent nearly three decades
analyzing drugs for the police.
So we've got an almost perfect match for crystal in the
next he tested the opium we ordered.
So we've got one small package, which could be open
it to tested positive. Are you surprised that these things are
so readily available on the internet? Yes,
we know there's already marked in legal highs, but these are
illegal compounds. And I am surprised that it's relatively
straightforward to buy them across. Yeah,
this is a giant promotion. You're right.
It's an ad it's like it was it had the quality is Groeschel.
And And the funny thing is that the Bitcoin on the Silk Road
becomes its own entity. And what I mean by that is, I think at
least I noticed this that you are no longer thinking about
what is that really worth? It's just Oh, it's like, that's point
a Bitcoin that's a good deal. Without even thinking, of
course, I never actually spent any money on my Bitcoins, you
know, they were kind of given to me. And when there was no when
they were worth nothing. You know, it's, it's like the
economy of that marketplace, really worked. Really, really,
really well. And by the way, I think, what a great system. We
don't have people going out to buy drugs on the street. You
know, it's delivered to your high
pass the black man starve them out.
They're not all black. That's bad. Whatever you does bad with.
Eric would say no good. That was really no wonder.
Well, let's, let's take another look at this as a promotional
tool. Because this is what it seems like they were they were
just saying there's great quality. The question that comes
to mind as I watch any of these is where are the sniffer dogs?
Now, I don't care what anybody says. If you put marijuana in
anything, they're just a residual aroma. And all dogs and
dogs can find that of course, dogs can find it in a in a
heartbeat. I don't care what you do. That's because those dogs
have got you know, sensory organs that are outstanding, and
they're keyed in to some of these drugs. And so, where how
come people haven't been your housing data, these things
arrive in the mail. You got this shipment. It's I don't know what
you put in it, but whatever it was, it could have been caught
by a dog it seems to me. And meanwhile, dogs playing around
with all these dogs that can smell them smell this stuff
going right to the Post Office service, you know, although if
it was something like you know, one of these these toxins that
you know, they had A big stink over they could catch those
things. Rice and they can find rice and beans. Yeah, marijuana.
Right, right. And they also managed to stop this bogus
stoppage of this guy. The guy in San Francisco with his fake IDs
are using the word fake. All, you know, apparently all came in
one big bundle with a bunch of different passports and other
things. They stopped that
Yeah. And conveniently, they opened it up just by a routine,
routine routine.
Yeah, I was gonna set a routine check. And so they catch that,
which seems unlikely
also how this story broke. This is and this was another flag for
me. We first got this document from some guy at UC Berkeley,
who's like some computer analyst or, you know, security analyst.
And he, and he somehow got the document to this is why the
government shutdown is an issue because there's nothing as
updated on any government websites past September 30,
which is conveniently timed. So we don't really we don't really
know the office authenticity of this. Other than that, it looks
like a typing. Yeah, the other than that, they look like
documents that have been typed up and or printed out and then
scanned.
Yeah, yeah, that's a pure authentic, but you're right. I,
you know, I couldn't find the Assistant District Attorney
anywhere in New York, the name couldn't find that, you know,
it's easy to put moss on there. Because everyone knows moss. But
that's where it is. They do press releases for everything.
They're always out in front of the cameras, there's always
something to boast about now. They're not a $1.2 billion
marketplace of illegal drugs and firearms, which is not true.
There were no firearms on Silk Road. Not that I could find at
least and an $80 million take and and a guy in an apartment.
What What the We had Bloomberg in New York, and this was a New
York indictment or a New York warrant. Bloomberg in New York,
he had the biggest hall of guns every head like No 50 guns on a
table press conference. Never that one, we had all the guns
pointed towards the press, which was kind of funny. They had it
on the table with all with the with the firing and pointed
towards the audience. There was like 50 guns, you know, and that
oh, here comes look at these guns we got I mean, so let's
just say it was a was compromised a long time ago,
probably the time when it went off offline for two weeks, they
brought it back online made it made it better. And you know,
everyone's in place. They're running the run and everything
that got it all good to go. Maybe they have to bring in a
few agents to make them think like, you know, they're they're
actually doing something good, and they're on board with
something. Meanwhile, it's being run by the guys who actually run
the drugs in America, which is the CIA. Now it's just another
outlet. The only annoying thing is they can't get the banks
involved. So they have to grab this Bitcoin thing. And they got
to start shuttling that through Jamie Dimon. And we got
everybody had got everyone on the on board with this thing.
This is a great way you know, Sue will have the post office
will soon be out of business. They'll shut that down or Bogut
of circumstances, and they will make more money by shipping it
through FedEx. This is gonna be great. This could save our
economy, by the way. So I'm not against it.
You're not against whether or not it saves the economy. Let's
be honest.
I think I love seeing how this works. Oh, and by the way, a
little side note, you also get to think that you're completely
secure with your tour and and all your other stuff.
Joke's on you, my friend. That's right. That's right. It'd be
knocking on your door pretty soon, although that was 1
million customers, which is the number that came out in this
thing. At least 1 million people registered. And of course they
padded.
Another another thing, I'm sorry to interrupt another thing. When
you see Reuters and you see a P and every single news agency
writing things like official said, colon, parenthesis or
quotes becomes a quote, there were 995,000 accounts, which is
literally taken from this document. They are they did not
speak to anybody. I did not find a single new source who spoke to
someone. The only thing I could find is they tried to reach the
public defendant, public defender who might be defending
this guy and got no response. So they're taking quotes out of
this document and pretending like the government said that
instead of saying, as was written in the complaint, yes,
that's actually wrong. And
I saw Reuters do this. Yeah. No, if
you're taking from the indictment, you have to that's
what you reference. You don't say public officials anything.
It was an Indian ate meat that was that was written it wasn't
even said like nobody. Nobody read this out loud and then
somebody wrote it down. So it was never sad. Let's take a look
at
Reuters I happen to have it here. What was shut down? Let me
see if I can find this okay
okay, so this they do say this Silk Road has emerged as the
most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the
internet today FBI agent Christopher Tarbell said in the
criminal complaint, so that's proper. Okay, that's fine,
Robert. But then they go on to say, a half pound of hydroponic
Bud was running about 17.2 Bitcoins. The website included
13,000 listings for controlled substances as of September 23.
And then here, quote, quality is super best stuff I've seen in a
while one user reported. Yeah, but that's in the document. You
know, I'm saying it's like, be careful. I think they I don't
think they did that properly.
Yeah, well, nothing's done properly anymore. Let's just
like we're stunned by any of this.
Yeah, anyway, so I got a couple of
kids that will, we'll keep we'll keep we'll keep on this. And
we'll see what happens with this this kid. But meanwhile,
gosh, that led me to frosty frost that led me to to the Tor
network and their funding of $1.3 million. I mean, and where
it's coming from, from this entire News Network, which is
clearly the propaganda arm and then maybe they're all on the up
and up, you know, maybe they really, they really want it
maybe they need it for their blog or spy so they don't get
busted. But this is, this is a propagandist outfit. And you
don't just get $56 million in a year just because you're you're
doing Lord's work of helping bloggers bullshit up in blog,
Lee's please. Bullshit. You're helping bloggers in Europe pay
us a million dollars. We need the freedom of speech in year.
Well, it's true. That is actually true. But that's not
how they're positioning this. Where we work. They're all over
the world. Helping bloggers in Sub Saharan Africa. They have a
whole speaker's bureau. Yeah, I see that. We shouldn't be on
that with guys like Manisha aural director of the global
human rights program. Oh, yeah. And Andrea Bosch, Vice President
for Asia and environment languages, right? Oh, no, it's
the language that she speaks. Apparently no language. The
first guy speaks or woman I guess. speaks English and Nepali
and Andrea bought Bosch apparently speaks no languages.
I did not hire
her. I'm sorry. I
Janine Berg goat, the President and CEO speaks English and
Russian. So she runs the place. I never heard any of these
people by the way. Interesting group. All right. Well, maybe
we'll hear from our economic various economic hitmen to tell
us what they know about if they know anything.
I got an interesting little economic hitman. Well, actually
boots on the ground from Nairobi. Yeah, how's it going? I
got my guy there. Um, yeah, I can read this verbatim. Word
here from investigators is that the Westgate Mall attackers left
the building very quickly, via some sort of service tunnel that
was unknown to the police in the army. And this, of course, has
been in the news, certainly in the UK. But what we're now
finding out is that continue to read. Apparently, they had set
up some sort of timed weapons and explosions to make the army
think they were still there.
So the army comes in with their Brocket grenade launchers and
everything else wrecks the place probably kills half the people.
Yes. This of course, is a well this is not your typical al
Shabaab thing. There's intent in this and I'm always going to be
looking at just making it scary that they don't have that they
don't even have a dead body of one of the so called terrorists
they don't have that. You know this, right? They don't have a
single that's
fine because they never didn't shoot any of them. And by
the way, I see all these pictures in the mall. I see very
little blood for all these dead people.
I saw a series of pictures in a European public house with lots
of blood. So I think that's the inside
or outside inside. All right. Well, I still think that if
anything, if anything, there were some there were some fake
photos. I think the daily Mail published, it could be a mistake
but they published a photo of like a terrorist and you know,
people, there was the same person shot it and you know, it
was it was actually a picture of a bank heist in the US from,
like, 97 or something. Yeah,
these this is, this is the problem. The news media is just
terrible. They can't seem to manage their own job.
Meanwhile, we know we've got guys in Kenya telling us exactly
what's going on. Oh, you know, what? Could I please get a
million dollars from interviews?
Yeah, you're not gonna get a nickel from interviews? I can
tell you right now.
Yeah, yeah, well, that's kind of par for the course John. I'm
gonna show my school by donating to no agenda Imagine all the
people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun
I think we can actually read some of the notes today since so
little the list is so short you know we can just read some notes
Yeah, I
got a couple of notes are read you can have one of them you can
do read as I read the notes as I go along the side at the left
and then you can look on the right Oh, that's a good Kindle
powers in Sparta North New Jersey for example has 150 bucks
and said I've been wanting to donate more than $4 a week and
after working 105 hours a week for the last month I can I'm no
I'm no night but I can I please get a douche bag for Chris
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month loss of license, I need my license for my job. The state
doesn't care. New Jersey offers no provisional license. So this
may be my last donation for a while. Oh, needs a little karma
job. Absolutely. You've got karma. Russel RAM in Spearfish
South Dakota, which is a great name for a town came with
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town names and my favorite town name of all time, which I've
actually driven through his gnaw bone, Indiana. Yeah, yeah. Isaac
Chase $100 from Colorado Springs. He's got a juicy porn
story. Your show is too good for me to continue to stiffed you
guys. Thanks to you guys. I no longer believe I am crazy. And I
can confidently go off my pharmaceutical meds and stick to
just hookers and blow like a deep douching and a douchebag
call it for my brother Josh. Who hit me in the mouth a couple of
months ago and is still not donated. Oh no. Let me do it.
You've been D deuced. That's no good. And it goes on with some
other stuff. That's kind of interesting. Here we read it.
Sir Brian Barrow in my favorite town of all time Wootton Bassett
and he came in with an interesting amount of money that
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Australia. 6969. Edwards s Hines in Jacksonville, Florida. 6969
And that closes the segment with four Wow means this thing's
gonna gonna last that long this second round. 16 I did. Stop
playing the jingle when this when this little streak is over.
Okay. Matthew Stevens in here we have some 6666 well wishes for a
sixth anniversary. And we have a birthday call out from Matthew
Stevens. 6666 in north north Richland Hills, Texas. Sam long
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the Baron of the Great Lakes in Toronto. Sir Bill Bauman in bow
is at Bowman Bowman or Bowman. I can't remember may but he's in
this town port. He went to me you gotta keep looking that up.
Yeah, who is Hoon it's look it up enemy. Is it enemy? It's not
him. It's who who do we
want to enemy? I don't
mind the land and Sir Michael I believe in Burbank, California.
Chad should know and Hurst, Texas. And finally David Bierce.
in Altoona, Iowa. And
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We have 1234 $50 donors and that's all we got. Aiden Clark
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Great. We need some reports from you, by the way. Yes. Greg
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median all hell will break loose. Thank you. Thank you.
Until that day, I remain your faithful serf.
That's a nice letter. I love that. Thank you.
Yeah. Yeah. And that's right. Most counts. And that's all we
got. Yeah. Thank you.
Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you government. Thank you furlough.
I think it's a combination.
That could be I'm sure we lost some money because of the
furloughs. I mean, you at the time you get kicked out of your
job, you don't know if you're gonna get the back pay or not.
That's the problem. And which means you will, by the way, but
when they get the back pay will be like a paid vacation, we
should get a nice donation from them. If it happens, that is
happened all the time in the past every time this is not a
new thing. Now
I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. But kind of going back
to my original
question, quiet, you know what you're gonna do? I know they're
gonna do, you're gonna give them their back pay, but they're
gonna make the post office pay for it. People out there. That's
hilarious.
But if you listen to two other alternative media sources, you
will hear a lot of this is by design. They're gonna bring it
down, bring down the whole economy. I'm gonna kill us. Is
there any anything to that? Do you think?
No, of course not. No, no. There's nothing to it. This is
just a big bunch of political bullcrap. Guys are playing, you
know, playing some you we don't even know what what's behind it
all. I think a lot of it still has to do there was a for
frontline that was about this particular episode, when the
last time came around for the debt ceiling argument. Boehner
and this was on frontline. And they had the whole thing
document. It's gorgeous. Frontline Boehner and Obama made
a deal. Obama, they were going to agree to something and Obama
has said you just have to get your guys to get on board and
I'm in on this and handshake the whole thing. Boehner went
through a lot of trouble to get everybody to vote his way so
they could finish this deal off. And then Obama reneged on at the
very last minute and says Now screw you. We don't care. And
Boehner just thought that was the worst possible thing that
could ever happen. It wasn't a humiliation because he went
through all this trouble for Obama. And he got he got
stiffed, and Boehner is behind most of this that you're seeing
happen here because this is the pay back to just make Obama
sweat.
All right. I'm sorry. I asked because I just I don't care. I
know
you don't care about people. There's people listening that do
care. Dig up that old front.
There's some kind of fiber cut somewhere. So the stream is a
route. It's been almost all fiber. Oh, yeah, we're the
stream. I'm trying to send this to me. We're being routed
through Europe.
To me, no,
I'm listening. I'm just I just choose not to pay
attention. And we got I got some that'll wake you up. No,
there's a couple things we typically do. I know the
donation segment was short, but first we always tell people help
us support this show. We're doing the work you need to
support us at boruch.org/and. Then of course we have birthday
one birthday. Just one actually, I was wrong. Matthew Stevens
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course, but Sir Alan Bean does get his Baronet today as his
second knighthood is in the bag and we congratulate him on that
please support us people. This is a been a very this is a
troubling, troubling for us.
Yeah. Alan being is like there's a number of people that do this.
They have they send checks and many to do it through the
banking system. Right. And he sends in $50 a month.
Yeah. And and he skis up to his second knighthood. He's been he
said, When he started his little program was sending $50 a month,
which are handwritten checks. He doesn't go through a bank. He
doesn't he said, as long as the show is good. You're getting the
$50 And so we've been getting like $50 ever since. Just do a
Baronet so far. He'll probably get to Duke if he keeps us up.
Oh, yeah,
no, we'll definitely get there. Definitely. I was going to I was
gonna you know Um, hold on a second. Stop typing in the chat.
I'm trying to copy that IP address. That's funny. I'm
trying to I'm trying to help with the live stream. Yeah. And
they want me to try and get on some other thing. Hold on one
second. So I got an email from our limoncello, baby. Yeah, at
least Garling. Yeah, at least a really long, really beautiful
email. And she talked about her mom and stuff, you know, we'd
communicate a little bit. And her whole family they know
they're all family. They've been brothers and her buddies and her
boyfriends and God know, everyone's been so supportive.
The show was really beautiful. But there's one one little
paragraph in the email that just thought I had to share with
you. Share it share. All right,
I hung out with you and JC D hard a few nights this summer in
my dreams.
It was good, fun. Finish. I'm telling ya, when I read this,
just that line alone to me was like that's very weirdly sexual.
I hung out with you and JCD hard a few nights this summer in my
dreams. It was good fun. A fire truck full of hot chicks drove
by us as we were all in a car together. The two of you were
doing the show live. It was we were cruising around. They were
listening to the show live and we're freaking out as they
realized who it was. They were just passing. It was hilarious.
If you have any dreams like that, please send them to me.
Yeah, he needs entertainment. Send him something stuck there
in Austin. So in town on the 28th just recently was the being
human 2013. What I guess annual conference.
What is this a transhumanist thing? Ya know?
So you got it. Yeah. You gotta go to the website just to look
at these douchebags. And you'd listen to these guys being
human.org. And there I got a little bit of one woman who's
there and you got to check this woman out. Would you look at the
website first and then you have to look up to one of the
speakers. That was the keynote. Oh.
Just just the the the front page this woman? Is that what you're
talking about? Who's
not the biological anthropologist? The one that's
funny, are you and you have to look her up to realize how funny
it is. Because she has a wiki pages and Natasha Vita more.
Natasha Valda more vitae more.
And you guys see what her name is spelled.
Okay. And this is luminaries. Who's a luminary. So Polsky,
look it up. You got to see the Wikipedia page.
What's her name again?
Natasha. Natasha Vita VAT a more. Okay, she hot. She's,
oh, she's kind of weirdly MILFy
is she's old too. So but she hadn't
clicked on the picture yet. But thanks.
But she did you look at her name. Your real name is Susan
Jones or something. But she's got this name vitae more. And
it's hyphenated as vitae,
more dash. She is currently chairman of the board of
directors of humanity. She is the designer and author of primo
post-human. I think she is already opposed to him and just
looking at her picture.
Well, you can listen to the kind of chit chat she has by playing
the clip trans human event
if you by the way, if you go to natasha.cc That's her website.
She lives in real vampy there. Alright, transhuman event,
that's what you want me to play? Yeah.
Number one, this
area is all about what could become a human nature.
Certainly, we would contain many of the values the experiences
that we have as biological animals. But looking beyond
that, whereas digitality electronics interface with us
through human machine interaction, what could we
become with this type of a miscibility transparency? almost
indistinguishable invisibility of technology?
Wow, wow, hold on. It's a slash my wrist right now.
I knew you'd like wow, invisibility transparency
technology,
New York Times 2008 calls her the first female philosopher of
transhumanism.
There's your philosophy you just heard it. Oh, wow. She went on
for like an hour with this kind of gibberish and there's another
I have a second part which is
more of this please more of us won't be that good.
All around us. It has become part If us, and we'll we'll have
many different issues about ethics and who we might become.
But the bottom line of it all is what is the future of human
enhancement? Where are we going?
I have an enhancement, I want to show you miss Vita more who want
to come.
I look at it from two perspectives. Number one is life
expansion, taking the notion of life extension, looking beyond
our limitation of biology, which for the human animal is
approximately 120 to 123 years, just counting what we might
become through the implementation of design. Now,
one of the most interesting innate characteristics of human
to me is our love of exploration, and our ability to
innovate. We're inventors, we love to problem solve. And that
ties very neatly into design. Because design, as you know, is
an iterative process. We're constantly reforming remaking
our concepts, so that they're not only
you have to look for Yeah, yeah, sure. So. So she was a
performance artist before she became a still is in theater,
film and video. Let's see her I'm looking at her website since
the 1980s. I have focused on human technology integration,
and the relationship between arts and design and science. My
theoretical activity is concerned with human enhancement
and the methods for extending and expanding human
capabilities. Oh my god. Yeah, it's this this is a a
coincidental I would say, as we learned today, that 23 and me
the you know, the swab genetic swab your blacks send us your
your your DNA, but they have received a patent for the
creation of designer babies.
As discussed, the system
according to the pattern can be used to identify a preferred
donor among the plurality of donors based on genetic
information. A woman undergoing in vitro fertilization, using a
sperm donor, for example, could ask 23 me to crunch numbers on
her own genetic profile, and those various donors, and then
recommend a donor who would most likely yield a child with the
traits she desires.
Why don't we just go back to Nazi Germany and get it over
with this is eugenics? Well, first of all, stuff of the 20s
Okay, well, thank
you very much for taking me right there. Because I have in
the shownotes, a specialty for everybody. First of all, you
will find the folder called eugenics. We've just decided to
name it that and in the eugenics, you will find a PDF of
a book. And this book is titled, eugenic sterilization in the
United States a report of the psychopathic laboratory of the
Municipal Court of Chicago, written by Harry H. Loughlin.
And Harry H. Loughlin was Assistant Director of the
Eugenics Record Office, Carnegie Institution of Washington, I
guess, from the Carnegie family, the Carnegie Hall, the Carnegie
Institute, and, and eugenics associate of the psycho Pathik
laboratory. And I go path is the right word. And there's a
foreword written by Harry Olson, Chief Justice in Chicago at the
time. And I figured it might be this 500 pages, so you can just
grab this thing. It's from the 20s. I figured maybe fun to just
read a little bit of the introduction.
Go for it. You have another reading from Adam Kirsch, we had
another read. Hang in there.
I'm Dr. Harry H. Loughlin, eugenics associate of the
psychopathic laboratory at the Municipal Court of Chicago and
eugenics, Director of Carnegie Institute of Washington has
rendered the nation a signal, a signal service in the
preparation of this work, eugenic sterilization in the
United States.
Would you like me to play a little of the Yes, yes.
I'd like you to do the lower tones though. Okay. All right. A
little slow, but make it slow. Since the rediscovery of
Mendel's Law of heredity and the recent advances made by
biologists and psycho Pathak pathologist in respect to the
causes of mental stop, it's not going to work. It's not working
for me. I need you to listen, I need you to listen. Since the
rediscovery of Mendel's Law of heredity and the recent advances
made by the biologists and psycho pathologist in respect to
the causes of mental and physical defects in the human
race, with the consequent revelation of the great role
played by heredity as a producing cause the science of
eugenics has become a vital importance. America in
particular needs to protect herself against indiscriminate
immigration, criminal degenerates and race suicide is
from a chief justice of Chicago. Chief Justice. Yeah. I'm jumping
around here to America the success of DOMA accuracy depends
on democracy, John depends upon the quality of its individual
elements, if in these elements that racial values are high
government will be equal to all the economic, educational,
religious, scientific demands of the times, If on the contrary,
there is a constant and progressive racial degeneracy.
It is only a question of time when popular self government
will be impossible and will be succeeded by chaos. And finally,
a dictatorship. Hello, 2013. These guys were on the money.
It's true. It was right. Like the Unabomber was right, these
guys were right. And we screwed it up. We should have been
killing people. This is a great book. It is it is hilarious from
beginning it's hilarious already, from beginning to
end. You can you can take that PDF file and put it on your
Kindle. And you can read that book casually.
I wouldn't drop it. Don't let anyone see where it says kill
all the negros
this essentially what that's about Yeah,
but also if you're invalid, you know, this is where the word
invalid comes from. You're invalid. You're not You're not
valid.
You gotta win valid,
you got it? Yeah, you gotta you gotta do a wooden leg or some
something like that. Now, I also one of our producers, producer,
Brian did a fantastic job. On a Melinda Gates video. I pulled
those clips if you
think we should pull them. But I know that I don't want to play
all of them. But I think that reading his note and then
playing the pertinent clips, yes, would be I think,
worthwhile.
Well, that's exactly what I thought we would do. So let me
open up his note here.
And by the way, this is a good example of a very our, our
listener supporters and producers being able to use the
techniques that we promote, which is the deconstruction of,
in other words, looking for the hidden meanings, finding some
some that you're the the flubs and the truth of people, as
we've discussed before, and other people who say it, you
can't not tell the truth. Yeah, at some point, it comes out. And
essentially you just dig for it in the hidden our producer here
did a really good job of finding a little gem.
Yeah. So this is Brian. And I don't know if he wants his last
name mentioned. So I'll just say it was producer, Brian and
Lance. And he grabbed the and we've played this before. I know
we have played pieces of this a long time ago on the show. This
is Bill's wife, Melinda Gates. And she's doing she does a TED
talk. And it's, it's all about, you know, the the Gates
Foundation, their mission to reduce the amount of people in
the world. And of course, people call her a eugenicist. And you
know, and you know, the whole idea of killing people or
sterilizing them one way or the other to, to have a race die
off, and they're doing all of this in Africa. And here's a
little bit, I'll play the bit, and then we'll play actually,
here's the opening. That is interesting, where she denies
some
people think when we talk about contraception, that it's code
for abortion, which it's not some people, let's be honest,
they're uncomfortable with the topic, because it's about sex.
Some people worry that the real goal of family planning is to
control populations.
Yeah, yeah. So you doth protest too much we think is.
So if we're going to make progress on this issue, we have
to be really clear about what our agenda is. We're not talking
about abortion. We're not talking about population
control. What I'm talking about is giving women the power to
save their lives, to save their children's lives, and to give
their families the best possible future
to be all that you can be. So Brian says these first two
snippets are interesting because they established that Melinda
Gates considered the public awareness of population control.
When she wrote her speech and intends to distance herself from
it, she instead intends to propagate her message that we
want to bring every good thing to our children. And where's the
controversy in that motto, she repeated three times throughout
the course of the speech. Now, we move on. And this is I think,
kind of the the big crux of of her denial of the population
control. But there's a little gotcha in here, which is just
astounding as to the words you use words matter.
But I think as we go through this history, it's important to
pause for for a moment and to remember why this has become
such a contentious issue. It's because some family planning
programs resorted to unfortunate incentives and course of
policies. For instance, in the 1960s, India adopted very
specific numeric targets about and they paid women to accept
having an IUD placed in their bodies. Now, Indian women were
really smart in this situation. When they went to get an IUD
inserted, they got paid six rupees. And so what did they do?
They waited a few hours or a few days, and they went to another
service provider, and they had the IUD removed for one rupee.
For decades, in the United States, African American women
were sterilized without their consent. The procedure was so
common, it became known as the Mississippi appendectomy, a
tragic chapter in my country's history. And as recently as the
1990s, in Peru, women from the Andes region were given
anesthesia, and they were sterilized without their
knowledge.
I wonder were these all great missions from America? I mean,
who was doing all this? Because she doesn't mention that. And I
haven't looked it up. But were these.
I don't know about the Andes one. But obviously, the ones
that was missing this deck was obviously yes.
The most startling thing about this is that these course of
policies weren't even needed. They were carried out in places
where parents already want to lower their family size.
This is the one that is kind of
that's the we probably not our producer picked up on this. And
if you'd listen if you let's play it again, analyze what she
said. Yeah. She actually said she actually, instead of moaning
about what she should be moaning about, which is the ethics of
these forced sterilizations, she casually pass it off as
something that wasn't even
needed. It's startling. We didn't have to go through all
that.
Go through all that trouble. And is, which is essentially what
you did not essentially is that is exactly what she said. Yeah.
And so she, it just is a very weird catch, and a very
difficult thing to, to normally catch. I guess our producer was
listening to this thing and just was in the right mood to catch
it. Because he had a skeptical nature, which is important if
you're going to catch these sorts of comments. And you have
other people say, Well, you know, she just saw what she
meant. You know, that's what she said. Yeah. And we've and she
firstly defends herself about not being a eugenicist. I think
personally, if you're, I don't see why. You just don't come on,
say it. Yeah, I think somebody could come and say, you know,
these are great programs, but we shouldn't be sterilizing
everybody. And we should be limiting and just 43 and me or
whatever that thing is with the gene thing. That's the way to
go. No, and then screw everybody else. You don't need a bunch of
cripples and criminals. You know what
Miss Mickey's plan is, and she's a eugenicist. By the way she'll
tell you straight up, she says, kill all the Chinese. She says
their penises are small.
They've been trying to do that for so long.
They're rude. They're rude. They're tiny. They're in the way
that penises are no good. They all look alike. That's a billion
people just get rid of them done. It's funny because it just
came out today that the China China's National Tourism
Administration has and I don't have a copy of this. I want a
copy of this guidebook. It's the guidebook for civilized tourism,
which advises Chinese nationals not to do a number of things.
When they when they are on vacation in the West that they
normally would do. Such as pick their noses in public. urinate
in pools, steal airplane life jackets.
What are these people didn't know they did that? Well,
apparently,
here in May a mainland Chinese woman who let her son relieve
himself in a bottle in a restaurant. Because this is
normal over there.
Normal everywhere yeah, no,
this I'm telling you this this is this is culture. Hey, come
on. The Chinese are always eating weird animals too. It's
like Oh, is that a white tiger let me eat it. Oh, that's mostly
the Cantonese by the way your goodwill read off this LI more
things on that list. This is fascinating. I don't
have the this is the problem. I don't have the I there was
outrage when a 15 year old tourists from Nigeria recently
carved his name into an ancient temple in Luxor Egypt. People
are no good. We gotta send Melinda Gates and Bill over to
China. I want I want this guide I maybe it's only in Chinese. I
just I don't have a copy of it. I'd love to see this. What you
can't do. This is the Chinese Golden week holidays. I guess
this one, the
Chinese that China they still Have there was a there's a new
network on television called the Esquire network. Yeah, I've
seen them advertised like a beer show.
They got a lot of shows, but they have a for one thing they
have the guy that does talk soup or the soup. Joel Joel McHale
doing a I watched his This is an Anthony Bourdain rip off. He's
roaming around making wisecracks eating food getting drunk all
the rest of it. And I was I was beside myself with what is what
a rip off the show was. Executive producer Anthony
Bourdain. Oh, that's funny. So I was beside myself. No wonder,
right? So it
a clone of themselves. Right. So somehow we got I just want to
get back to Melinda
and I want to get back to the what my point I'm sorry. I
go, right. It was my fault for saying the Chinese gotta go.
Well, the anyway, the one they did a thing in Hong Kong, and
they had a bunch of this, this kind of commentary about the
Chinese, but most of it was the expats who had moved there that
were Chinese like Canadian, Chinese, for example. Yeah. Are
American Chinese. They haven't they get nothing but grief. The
Chinese don't I mean, it's not like even a racial thing. There
are cultural operation. And you can be Chinese. You can even
speak Chinese. But if you're not Chinese, the Chinese the Chinese
people. You're scum.
You're an outcast. Yeah.
The Japanese are worse at that, by the way. Well, I don't know.
I don't know what they're trying to hide
those a lot of Chinese Malmo. Let's listen to Melinda Gates
again. Just that last bit where she says it was so startling we
didn't even have to force sterilize these people.
The most startling thing about this is that these course of
policies weren't even needed. They were carried out in places
where parents still
weren't ready. What iReady
So, then, at the end is Chris Anderson. Is he British?
Well, there's a couple of Christian wired the wired guy.
The Wired guy is not the guy at TED. Okay, so that's Chris
Anderson. The other Chris Anderson is a British guy and
he's the guy used to be he used to do Mac at he used to be
I don't know who this so there's a host of Ted. I thought it was
Chris Anderson, but he it is
the Chris Anderson is the host, but it's a different Chris
Anderson. Why Chris Anderson, that people would confuse him
with this the wired Chris Anderson,
I did I just slip into the Twilight Zone? Well, what is
this like to Chris Anderson's who are
answers to Chris Anderson's, they're different people. But
that one was the wire editor. And he's a book writer, and he's
a nice guy. I know both of them. Oh. And the other guy is a
British guy, and he owns Ted.
Okay, so the British guy is now going to ask Melinda question,
and then listen to her answers just short, like, less than a
minute. How this woman she truly believes that she along with her
other elitist, eight holes, run the show. We do this we we, the
Royal era, we
thank you for your courage and everything else. So Melinda in
the last set, thank you
for your courage, and everything else.
What courage?
I don't know. I'm just going to keep saying that to everybody. I
see. Hey, nice to meet you. Thank you for your courage. I
like it. Hey, John, thank you for your courage. You're
welcome.
Melinda in the last few years, I've heard a lot of smart people
say something to the effect of we don't need to worry about the
population issue anymore. You know, family sizes are coming
down naturally all over the world, we're going to pick at
nine or 10 billion. And that's it. Are they wrong?
Well, if you look at the statistics across Africa, they
are wrong. And and I think we need to look at it though from a
different lens, we need to look at it from the ground upwards. I
think that's one of the reasons we got ourselves in so much
trouble on this. Contraception is we looked at it from top down
and said, We want to have different population numbers
over time. We care about the planet. Yes, we need to make the
right choices. But the choices have to be made at the family
level. And it's only by giving people access and letting them
choose what to do that you can do sweeping changes that we have
seen globally, except for sub Saharan African set for those
places in South Asian and Afghanistan. Hi, so
she is elite. And she is just part of and this is kind of
where it comes back to to Vita more. This is the trend the
trend is less people, but we are going to live forever because we
will become one with machines. And let me tell you, Joe Rogan
is on this trip too. I mean, you gotta be this is it's very
tempting. because it seems kind of cool the basic idea
seemed cool to me No Not to me
but you know it's like you're already kind of one with your
iPhone you know this is people are like oh yeah no just like
that this thing in my head is embedded just a slot just wonder
I wanted to connect to people
looking forward to that you
may it's become Google Glasses
close to a
Google Glasses a part of that. Absolutely. And I urge you to go
read the Unabomber manifesto. I'll put it into the show notes.
I'm not saying I'm not advocating blowing up anybody to
get attention for it but the document itself is very
interesting very interesting particularly in light of what
you're hearing here what you're hearing from an Natasha Vita
more I love my friends to death but they are on their way to
transhumanism with this 23 And me and the what is it the
quantified self
righteous Natalie del Conte or Morris there's a new Nisha she
really ended that quantified thing Oh really? wires on
herself oh my god my blood pressure went up by a point. Let
me just relax her serenity now. Serenity now.
Where did I Where did I miss something where was this?
It was she talked about it on the one of the Twitch show. Oh,
I can't miss that.
Yeah, she's all wired she's all hooked up. She got stuff you
know all over her.
But is it connected to the web? Can we monitor I probably
it is I think that's the main thing people are doing. Can you
give her a jolt?
Yes,
I'm talking about science and all the rest of it. You know we
did this one so I'm going to do it. I have a tie on from the one
of our one of our producer Sandy they sent it said you gotta
listen to the last clip gave me the exact point in time. They
are discussing this was the last week show. They had to Tom
Merritt was running it and by the way, Tom Merritt I didn't
realize until I recorded him and listened with with Molly your
your friend Molly,
who I love. Yes, who you are. I did not pull this clip. I did. I
know because I was like, I love Molly.
I don't want to you wouldn't be able to i i like Molly a lot. I
introduced her to Mickey. Mickey. I'd be set the whole
thing up and I like Molly as much as I can like and
I sent you pictures, didn't I? Yeah.
And there. It is fantastic. So So Molly was on the show
agreeing with everything Merritt was saying she was actually in
town never called gorse. No. And they're yakking away and they're
talking really fast. I just kind of slow it down at the end so
you can understand what she said. But somebody came up and
this is I don't think it's as good as Kiki. You might have
played Kiki's little clip.
Like all over the map here, okay. Already, science.
They're talking about comments that made comments, people make
comments, and it's terrible. We should ban all comments from the
internet, even though comments provide most of the
entertainment they didn't nobody brought that up, of course. And
they talked about how popular science dropped the comments and
all these people because people would chime in. Because these
comments these these articles are bullcrap. They're a bunch
of, you know, pseudo science themselves. But you know, they
pose a science. And then somebody says this bullcrap, and
they put some citation or whatever, just play this, and
you'll see what we're looking for. And that
appears in YouTube comments. So it so Google and YouTube are
making a very smart play here to say, we're worth the higher CPMs
look at what Popular Science did turning off comments, because
they said they cited a study saying, when you had comments
that were disputing the science, yeah, without good science
behind it, it lessened people's confidence in science. Now,
there's some other people saying like, that's the wrong way to go
about a popular science, what you should have done is heavy
moderation, and cetera, et cetera. There's probably valid
reasons to that. But in absence of the resources to do all of
the better things, shutting down the comments, versus leaving
them up and having people not believe your content, because of
the commenters, is the decision they made.
I was I was in favor of that decision by pops. I really do.
Because I think you could, you could devote ridiculous amounts
of staff that they don't have to try and to make sure that the
comments are okay, and that they don't distort the science in
some way. Or you could say like, you know what, this is not up
for debate, science. This is not up for debate, science.
This is not up for debate, science, science. produced. It's
funny, because the exact same story ran on NPR, our national
treasure on marketplace. And I thought it would be interesting
to get the more mainstream opinion on this, which of course
is obviously exactly the same. This is marketplace from APM.
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And leave a comment but there's the rub because comment sections
on journalism sites can be painful often hijacked by trolls
who knocked down pretty much everything that hijacked
hijacker has say Hi Jack that I had tagged terrorists in part
helps explain why Popular Science has shut down its
comment section. marketplaces Adrian Hill reports.
Hey, all you internet trolls. I know you aren't much for nuance.
And
by the way, I love how Molly calls it pop SCI pops. So you're
gonna hate me for doing this is all your fault. This is this is
ending case,
the one who said it. But it's not you bring this up. But you
brought up as a point that all she's doing like everybody else
that is out there that that model is the only one she's just
parroting mainstream media. She's like a stenographer.
Yeah, that's okay. Because you just needs to be saved. That's
all. That's all that needs to happen. It's just it's just a
little program slowly.
And in words you might understand. People who care
about civilization hate you. You're predictable. Boring
diatribes are ruining the internet for the rest of us.
Just so you know. We're ruining the internet for the rest of us
get a job. Get a job. All right. I'm done. Read the hill is a
professor at Arizona's DIC. State University's Walter
Cronkite School of Journalism. Commenting has gotten really out
of control with a lot of nasty comments with arguments with
everything going to political. It doesn't matter what the story
is. She says it can be anything and can get ugly. People really
go after each other in a way that discourages really good
thoughtful conversation. Popular Science for its part has had
enough anti science bashers and political railing. It's closing
its comment section down. Suzanne Lebar is popular
sciences online content director. This research came out
a few months ago that showed that how people perceive science
is actually shaped in part by comment sections. And that she
says was all the motivation that we needed to just finally
shut the door. Getting in the house, shut the door. Hey, by
the way, John, I've been waiting to be able to play this clip.
Down
US Capitol in lockdown right now. Shots fired at the Capitol.
Seriously, I'm not kidding. Oh, horrible news coming over the
police radio in the house press gallery. Lots of scrub. Just
reading tweets. Capitol Police scrambling gunshots in front of
Capitol cops scramble. Hmm. Well, that's interesting.
Yeah, like it is interesting.
I don't have a TV here.
It's funny. They would do it when nobody's there. It's weird.
What do you mean, nobody's there?
I mean, there was on you know, furlough.
isn't anybody in the Capitol building?
Probably just a couple of guards. I'm guessing maybe not.
Okay, this is very interesting, because it comes at a very odd
time. I think the timing is weird. No one was hurt when
someone fired shots at a restaurant on Capitol Hill. This
is in Seattle
from three years ago. Let's see if CNN has any. It's actually
from
July. Well, let's get back to the other article. We'll get it
with Google to that. But let's go to the let's dive into how
they could say something. Yes. First of all, it's not that hard
to moderate. It's done very easily. As a matter of fact, and
if you have a staff of people like for, for example, say I'm a
writer for Popular Science, and I write something, but people
come in, I should be able to moderate my own stream of
comments, even though there could be hundreds of them. And
one of the things you really have to have the power to do is
to is to ban people. And they're the key to real good moderation
is finding the jerks that are just troublemakers they come in
and they say stupid stuff and put them put them on the Bozo
filter, you put them either on a bozo filter, which is the
absolute funniest if you have one, or you just blacklist them
and they can't get in. If they do get in again, you've first of
all, you look up their IP address what you can do, and
you'd take a look at all their comments. And then if you see if
you look up their person, the net, the name they usually use,
sometimes your IP address changes. And you can see when it
changes in the window probably change again sometime. He's just
banned those IP addresses and you let the guys they generally
will go to someplace else to make their comments. So it's not
that difficult to moderate. It's not like oh, there's no
resources. A place like Popular Science has plenty of money pops
more than a pop blogger does. Most bloggers can do the top
side say it right top say most bloggers can do this. So it's
not that hard to do. And that's what they should do because
comments are important. There. Part of the reason people will
go to a website because you want to read the comments. Yeah, but
you're, you're you're ruining the internet you troll.
And and sometimes it's more entertaining than the article is
sometimes there's articles that I have to say it or wrong.
They're not just because it's climate science wrong, but I
mean, there's regular articles written by regular people about
something like rocket propulsion, and they've got it
wrong and somebody needs to jump in and tell him that this is
wrong. You've got the wrong formula or something like that.
Common in the comments pop
sign out the magazine that it wasn't not popular science who
explained exactly how the World Trade Centers melted steal the
jet. That was the definitive work. Yeah, that would be a
reason why I don't they don't need comments. Don't go there.
That was that was enough science for me. Yeah. Six in physics,
it's just math people. Right.
Anyway, so I have I think that this is this is wrongheaded.
Apparently, PBS where the guests just got started in Popular
Science, they couldn't take it anymore. It's like it seems to
me that they just couldn't take it they said I can't take it
anymore. These people will people are reading the comments
or mele believe a word we say they're mean. Hear me do us
mean I don't want I don't like it when you mean
there's all kinds of hoops you can create. You need comments.
Yeah, but this unless you're just writing an essay you don't
care
so so what is your takeaway on this? This is an oh, this is an
overall trend.
I think it would like to be a trend but I think what you're
going to run into with it as a trend is that your numbers will
fall off. The readers will get so aggravated they look at the
bar I've had this happen to me. So wait a minute, this isn't
right and you look I'm gonna put a comment in you know as though
that's going to do anything but you feel better. So you go to
put your feel better comment in and by the way very few people
that if you have these some of these sites that have 500
comments, nobody's reading all these things. But so anyway, you
pull it up, put your comment and get some blow off some steam and
there's not one there you rarely go back to that site.
So let's just look at some of the pop SCI. Look at their top
stories today. Number one death by collider. What would happen
if you were zapped by the Large Hadron Collider? Ooh, science
science number two lessons from Mr. White the best the six best
scientists we picked up from watching Breaking Bad. Oh, the
sciences in October is best gadgets a dozen great ideas in
gear featuring the best gaming laptop, a high tech beer,
Growler. And more. overboard what happens if an astronaut
floats off into space blatant promotion for the gravity wing
via images of the week including an inflatable concert hall
exploding light bulbs and the guy with one hell of a beard?
Yeah. Now, there's other reasons why I don't go to your site pop
side is bullshit. That gives a Crap.
Crap. Wow.
I mean, we're no scientists. We know scientists. We're no
scientists here. But you know, we're historians. We are
historians of popular culture. And we can see where all this is
headed. And go ahead and look@natasha.cc and tell me the
selfie photo of Natasha Vita more is not what you want to be.
Look at that face is frightening. I think that she's
already trans humanized
you know, I really was reluctant to go there the first time, but
now you got my attention.
Because she could na t a s h a.cc.
Yeah, there she is.
She looks like she could be a really pretty Sofia Loren kind
of thing. But no,
she has a style of speaking. And she sounds a lot like her
because I kept listening to her going. Who does she sound like
she sounds like a pastor Melissa. What's her name that's
on that used to be there used to be this one guy. I can't
remember her last name. I don't know why. Anyway, she sounds
like one of these preachers who talks about the kind of weird
affectation. And then when you look her up, her real name is
what got to me, which is Natasha, let me look her up.
I'm looking at her at her site. And she she was at South by
Southwest or as we say, Austin South by in 2009. And she did a
speech called PLU topia, living systems was originally in 2009.
The real name is Nancy Clark. She looks like a Nancy Clark.
Nancy Clark PR lady.
Plu topia.
Zootopia PLU topia
is a premier marketing opportunity for sponsors to
drive brand recognition. This is all scam is all the all of this
is just one big giant scam But it's great you know, I get stuff
I got friends who are in on the scam that doing great
stuff needs to be sold Primo. Yes, by the way I think that we
may have a fellow traveler or it could just be a kind of a verbal
typo but play tell me that there's something there's not
something up with this with this short clip cow explosion in the
morning.
The hope is that the lights will be back on by in the morning and
time for classes to start tomorrow because
he was so busy getting the in the morning out he didn't even
make a sentence time I gotta say at time for it lights in the
morning
that the lights will be back on by in the morning. Time for
classes to start tomorrow with like I want
to say in the morning all I said by Oh crap. I'll just say it
anyway in the morning. In the morning to your dude. Yeah, that
was the explosion you guys had right was weird.
Yeah, there's something fishy about it, too. That was weird. I
don't know what it was. I think it was maybe some maybe the KGB
decided to give the CIA a message. I have no idea.
I didn't want to just roll one thing at you because we talked
about it a while ago. Remember? Remember all those and this is
how this show works. You know, sometimes you got to be patient.
You got to wait for months, years. And then there it is. We
are our own manifesto. Every single episode is a manifesto of
sorts. We talked about there were the all these. We we knew.
And now it turns out correctly that it was effectively PR
against the pharmaceutical compounding industry.
All right. We had all these
like oh horrible people got or die from founders no good. Well,
here it is. Ladies and gentlemen, this is HR 113. This
is a house resolution on its way to becoming a bill to amend the
Food and Drug and Cosmetic Act with respect to human drug
compounding, and drug supply chain security. And for other
purposes. This Act may be cited as the drug quality and Security
Act.
There you go. Now, let
me explain compounding and I am a layman. However, I know Miss
Mickey has a thyroid issue and instead of going on the
synthetic bull crap that is synthetic, righteous that Nuff
said, as she has found the doctor in Austin who has hooked
her up with this something called the People's pharmacy.
And they compound out of natural elements. So there's probably
pig hormones and stuff like that a a specific compound of
progesterone, which is perfect for her issue. And the thyroid
is kind of like as she calls it. It's like the director of your
entire body. I mean, the thyroid is like you're awake, you're
asleep, you're gaining weight, you
lose a lot to do with everything, your memory, I
mean, everything, everything is involved in every it's very,
it's critical. And and so she's she's had this for, I don't
know, probably 1520 years. And and now she's her life has
changed dramatically by no longer being on the synthetic
stuff and having the stuff compounds that people care about
her. You know, the pharmacists, he's like, No, it's It's a
personal thing. It's an important service. It's really
good. And this is now under threat and how are they going to
do this. So if you look at what has happened here in the
legislation, the changing sections 502505 and 585, about
when you can compound something and when you can't. So drug
compounding buyer under the direct supervision of a licensed
pharmacist and a facility that elects to register as an
outsourcing facility if each of the following conditions is met.
So you cannot compound drugs anymore, unless you meet the
following conditions. There's a lot of them, we're just gonna
pick a couple of them. Registration reporting the drug
is compounded in an outsourcing facility that is in compliance
with the requirements of sub Subsection B, you got a whole
bunch of new requirements popping up I think most of the
compounds can get through that. Then we have the bulk drug
substance appears on a list established by the Secretary
identifying bulk drugs, drug substances for which there is a
clinical need. And here it is down by number five. You may not
compound a drug if the drug is essentially a copy of one or
more approved drugs. So let me let me run that by you in a real
world scenario. And that real world scenario would be actually
a progesterone named Makina ma ke N A. And Makino is basically
a progesterone it's a injection so there's nothing Ms. Miki has
but it's a progesterone injection, which was made by
compounding would cost about 20 bucks. Along comes Makina. And I
that's I think that's a Merck company, along comes Makina.
They take the exact elements of that compound, which apparently
is a popular compound, they turn it into a drug, get it approved,
put a label on it, now it cost $1,200. And you can no longer
get the compounded version. That's how they're doing it.
That's the scandal.
At this. I am certainly contacting our representative to
tell them that they should fight this. This should not go
through. This is an outrage.
It's a total outrage. It's unbelievable. And they get away
with this stuff. Who is the sponsor of these bills?
Let me see who's on this one. Hold on a sec.
I mean, these guys should be called out.
Mr. Upton,
Upton, Upton, the hills Upton, let me find out Upton. He's a
congressman. Right? Yeah, I
think so. I see.
Congress. Who there's gotta be some co sponsors, Fred Upton,
Fred Upton, Michigan. These guys all come out of Michigan. Fred,
I got nothing to do with anything. He's obviously a
payroll stooge. Let me see. HR one one been in offices.
9320 years. Yeah, fourth district.
Let me see if there's any co sponsors on this thing yet. It's
got to be yes. Is this the one? No, that's the library.
Sometimes it's very hard to get.
He's a Republican. Yeah, douche Romanian energy and commerce.
What's he got to do with any of this? Well, commerce, I guess
douchebag is a total douchebag. If he put that law into play.
Let me see if I could find the sponsors are in a BA
in journalism from the University of Michigan's funny.
Let's see committee leaders or editor. Oh, hold on a sec. Oh,
well, here you go. Committee leaders applaud passage of drug
quality and Security Act. The House of Representatives today
passed also the Oh, I see they've changed it hr 3204. By a
voice vote. They did this sneaky.
Oh, yeah. That's what you do it.
I am proud to say this piece of legislation is a product of true
bipartisan and bicameral work.
Always be bipartisan when it comes to Big Pharma.
The Senate and the House Republicans and Democrats came
together to produce a bill that would protect American patients
by ensuring the safety the they receive safe drugs as chairman
Upton, he's the chairman.
Wow. So he pushed it through? Yeah. voice vote. Like I would
give roll call Forget it, buddy.
Wow. He would protect traditional pharmacies and
clarify FDA has authority over the compounding of human drugs,
while requiring the agency to engage and coordinate with
states to ensure the safety of compound the drugs to date, the
CDC has link 64 deaths in 20 states to contaminated drugs by
compounding. Wow. Yeah. Well, let me tell you, I did not put
it past the pharmaceutical industry to kill 64 People just
to get this. Hey, I got an idea. Let's kill some people. Make
make it law. Legislation will creates a uniform national
standard for drug supply chain security to protect Americans. I
guess the President hasn't signed this yet. Wow. That's
horrible. Let me just make sure it's an Yeah, no, it's it's in
the final one. This is the final.
can't copy a drug? Yeah,
it's in there. I'm really I thought I might not be reading
from the final but I am.
Well, I'd like to get that anecdote about to $12 versus
$1,200. It was printed somewhere somebody published that.
This was sent to us by one of our doctor producers. And I can
forwarded to afford you the email because he turned me on to
this, of course. And he's been listening that long. He's like,
hey, remember you were talking about that? Guess what? Here it
is.
So ahead of the curve, so some of
these so now I have to figure out you know, let's say you
know, the world shuts down in October I have to figure out how
to extract the pig hormones. To save my wife I have to learn how
to do this. That's really sad. You know, it's scary when you
think that you know you have you need a certain type of something
to basically stay alive.
Interesting. What's the deal with I got this clip? President
plugging kayak? What is this?
Yeah, I heard about you and your friends and
your family and your co workers can get covered to just visit
healthcare.gov. And there you can compare insurance plans side
by side, the same way you'd shop for a plane ticket on Kayak for
a TV on Amazon.
Let me tell you, if Amazon was running the health care stuff,
it would work.
So I got some one glass clip, I'll play and then I'm probably
I can remove these other ones to Sunday. But I do think we need
to play this because this is seems to be somewhat
underreported. And of course Siri is not being discussed,
because everyone's all up in arms about the government
shutdown, or at least they're talking about it to access. I
mean, how much analysis do we need it this thing where you
every news show is just talking about this one thing, when this
particular thing about Syria kind of goes under the radar, I
have to see it on Democracy Now.
The US and its allies are facing what could be a major setback
and efforts to influence the outcome of Syria's civil war. A
coalition of Syrian rebel groups is openly split with the Western
back foreign opposition and a joint statement 13 armed rebel
factions, including units of the Free Syrian Army said they
reject the authority of the turkey based National Coalition
which is backed by countries including the US and Saudi
Arabia. The new front has dubbed itself the Islamist Alliance and
claims to represent three quarters of the armed rebels
fighting the Assad regime. The Alliance's lead signatory is the
illness or a front and al Qaeda linked group deemed a terrorist
organization by the United States.
Ha yeah. Are they
are they verified on Twitter though?
They'll be given their messages on Twitter.
I can't even get verified by Twitter yet. Twitter verifies al
Shabaab and al Qaeda and everybody verify
al Shabaab over there and grab them I have a clip
synthol cetera actually did a study on this. And what they
found is that Twitter helped spur a 30% growth in online
forums for hate and terrorism over the past year 20,000 what
they called hates viewing hashtags.
Nice one, by the way, I wish I had come up with that hate
spewing hashtags.
And handles appeared on Twitter of 5000 from the year before, up
5000 I don't even know how you monitor that breath of activity.
It's very, very tough. And that's one of the most
challenging things not just for us, but actually also for
terrorist groups is that who is the real representative of the
group on Twitter because Twitter doesn't validate accounts from
al Qaeda or Shabaab? So if someone goes on there and says
that their Shabaab Mujahideen or their al Qaeda how do we really
know they are who they say they are and you and I talk during
the whole Kenya incident because they kept shutting down their
Twitter account and a new one would open they'd shut it down
they'd open it I think it happened five or six times How
do you know if this really is who's inside that building? And
look and one of the accounts that popped up really does look
like it was a copycat account created
here comes because they're going to tell you how they how would
they know it was proved fact? Yeah,
but look, there are ways of validating this and so for
instance, last week and account that claim to be as Shabaab
released an original audio recording of the leader
than original audio recording novellas as Shabaab.
So presumably if you're releasing that kind of
information, that's validating the authenticity and
unfortunately look, if you look at the number of followers
you're talking about 1000s and 1000s of followers nevermind
people that are just browsing across this normally, so it
really does increase their reach pretty dramatically on the best
podcast in the universe,
that's right everybody. You heard it right here fact
that's a good one who gave you that? That's from Flash Gordon.
Yes, very good. I do have the original one. I thought it
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times I thought it was because otherwise you don't really know
what they're saying fact you'd like which one do you like
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sorry people that we do not we know nothing. Report shot fire
to Capitol Hill Capitol Police shelter in place there is
shelter in place an order was given under the Capitol speaker
system the giant voice system oh, let's do it. Let's do it.
Ladies and gentlemen, time to shelter in place, resumed normal
activity after sheltering in place. cower in the corner No
wonder I will Wonder I want you to watch CNN live to Well, we'll
see them let me watch live. Oh, that's interesting. This is
coordinated is what they do they do this well do they go to?
You're allowed to watch live? Yeah, sure. Oh, no, no, no, no,
no. Select your TV service provider.
Oh, yeah on the net. Yeah. Yeah. So I got a funny story. I played
the Tesla clip. This is hilarious. Wait. I think I know
what this is. Come on. Come on. Come on. David go.
One of Tesla's electric cars caught fire today. No shows us
the flames, the damage to the car and the resulting damage to
the company stock. As a brand new car to the camera man. It's
just another car fire on the freeway near Seattle. I could
feel the heat in here until he realizes what's burning. Or as a
Tesla do the Tesla driver.
He stretching metal Tesla. craps on fire mastery.
The car warned him to pull over he did and escaped. Okay. The
$70,000 car then burst into flames. Firefighters had a bit
of trouble putting it out. They had to flip the car on its side
then use a circular saw to cut into the battery housing and
douse the flames. The only thing that got hurt was Tesla's stock
price Tesla trades on this perception of perfection. People
have this image of the Tesla like it's so perfect that it
can't fail. A tech analyst Rob Andrew Lee says the stock had
already been downgraded and news of the fire burst their bubble
the problem here is the perception is so far ahead of
reality that when you have a problem like this, it tends to
adjust that something closer to reality so it just means that
the stock is overvalued and the end result is when you have a
problem like this the market will overreact is
this thing trading like 100 times earnings or something?
Anyway way the best the key to this whole thing is the bullcrap
you get from the PR girl. Yeah. Yeah. Here
in the shiny black is the underside of that battery
casing. This Tesla training video made for firefighters
offers a glimpse of the smooth underbelly to high energy
lithium ion battery runs the length of the car. Engineers are
now looking at the data and the onboard computer for clues as to
what might have happened. Kiddo. KPI x five. Tesla was just
ranked the safest car in America tonight. A company spokeswoman
says every indication is that the fire was the result of the
collision and the damage the car sustained.
One collision. It was no collision. I just read this
right off the prompter. I was because of the collision. What
there was no collision. That guy ran over a piece of metal or
something. The car told him to pull over and get out which I
think was great if that's true. Yeah. And then the car blew up.
Where's the collusion?
Well, he could technically report technically he collided
into into a paper bag.
I mean, this is what really galls me when you watch these
news. You know, these news reports. I know. The facts are
right in front of them. And then they steal whatever the PR
person says they they spew it. It's unbelievable. Okay,
anyways, it's been done. I'll
tell you what, we have a show on Sunday. I think I'd like to get
to the to the Batcave right now and start looking for whatever
is being we're being distracted from right now. With this
Capitol shooting Yeah, and I still see that we've we've done
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