We can't afford to do this show. Adam curry,
John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday August 22 2013 Time to get my
nation media assassination episode five. This is no agenda
I'm going Chelsea here in the traverse heights hideout capital
the drone Star State Austin, Texas in the morning everybody.
I'm Adam curry
and from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm not going Chelsea I'm
John C.
Skill pulled out what does the C stand for? What are you telling
me here?
stepped all over my name.
I'm John C. WMD. She John C. Dvorak where the C stands for
Chelsea.
It stands for
wow, I get to play it hold on a second. Where is it?
Holy moly, it was this. I have seen a lot in my lifetime. When
it comes to distracting the conversation away from what's
really going on, but this one was good.
It was good. I wondering. Do we have any real verification?
Yes, we do. In fact, I have the today's show.
Where oh, there it is. We got a wait.
But you gotta listen to this. This is the today's show with
severe What's your name is Savannah. I've never seen her
before. Is this? Yeah, Savannah
Guthrie? Yeah, she's
hot.
She's funny, because if you see her on a regular talk show, and
they have that show. By the way. Today's show is probably one of
the best lit shows. Yeah, morning shows. is totally
perfect perfectly. She has blown out beautifully. She looks 10
times better than she actually does.
You heard it here first.
She's pretty anyway, but I'm just saying she looks like she's
jaw dropping on that show. Oh,
totally. So she's with the with Bradley Manning's lawyer. And
the the mind meld that takes place in this clip which which
and so there's a couple. So you just said like two minutes of
preamble which I caught off most of and then all of a sudden the
Switch comes, but pay attention to that I left like, you know,
30 seconds in of talking about, you know, Mr. Manning him he
hears everything and then and then all of a sudden we're going
to switch everything. It's it's it's a mind meld? And my answer
would be yes, he would.
Do you think in any way he was used or persuaded or manipulated
by WikiLeaks and Assange, I asked you that because during
this trial, particularly in the sentencing phase, you portrayed
him as somebody under extreme duress psychologically damaged
dealing with a host of issues. Do you have any concerns about
that?
By the way? This Savannah, is she a journalist? Or is she a
prompt a reader because she's good? I like how she gets away
with that. You check it out, you know, the, the stress that he
was under was mostly to give context to what was going on at
the time. It was never an excuse for his actions because that was
not what drove his actions. What drove his actions was a strong
moral compass. WikiLeaks had nothing to do with bringing
information out of him. He gave information to WikiLeaks. You
mentioned the moral compass. On the other hand, if he wanted to
expose wrongdoing, how does he justify the indiscriminate mass
leak of 750,000 documents that he could not possibly have read
or known? What was in them?
She's really good. John, what is what is her background? She had
J school graduates in Aussie. She's from Australia.
Well, yeah, but she moved to Tucson when she was three, but
anyway, graduated high school. She's a journalist as she went
to Columbia, Missouri five, but she's in a sorority, about a few
years ago. She was running out she shouldn't NBC she's always
wanted. She's a TV girl. She started KK VOA went to WRC TV,
Washington, she got into Washington, DC picked up some
big stories to cover the anthrax. Oh, well, she says
she's a talking head.
She's good. She's good.
She's good as a national trial correspondent for cord TV, she's
been in the business but she's always been in media.
How did we overlook her? How can we didn't snap her up for me
view we must have been. You look at okay, so we're hearing he him
his his his his And now watch it and we're listening in it's
basically by itself and you would say, okay, he could read
one document can't read 700,000 documents, but these documents
are pretty much the same thing. And so you can get through a lot
of documents, realizing that there's not going to be harmful
information in these documents, and there wasn't
let's talk about Mr. Manning personally, and
we've had all this his he, Mr. Manning, he has
provided a statement that he wants us to read and this is
part of it. As I transition into this next phase of my life. I
want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning, I am a
female, given the way that I feel and have felt since
childhood. I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as
possible. I also request that Starting today, you refer to me
by my new name and use the feminine pronoun. Why did she
she has this moment.
And this goes on for three minutes. And they keep saying
she she heard it's like a Chelsea didn't want to listen to
him. He's like writing. Right in Chelsea? Just seconds ago, it
was all Mr. Manning have this be something that oh, that
overshadows the case, wanted to wait until the case was done to
move forward to the next stage of her life. She wants
hormone therapy Fort Leavenworth does not
like so. Okay, so let me just get this straight. And let me
say certainly preface this with I know several trans
transgendered people, I totally understand what it what it must
be like to, you know, be born in a in something that doesn't fit
and you want to change. And I'm not condemning that at all. But
this, what's happening here, where you know, we got this was
the moment you can mark it 7:53am. And it was just a state
of mind. We all decided that Bradley is now Chelsea. And it
was I think that was phenomenal. But thinking of most people in
America who watched this television program, who are
going to be in the upper demo. 50 Plus, I would say I think if
you really look at the numbers, this they won't work in their
brain. So they're they're so confused about this that you
forget what he was convicted for.
Yeah, well, I think there's another element at play here,
which is a little crack potty. Okay. I'm sorry. I hate to
taste.
Really some good thing walking on my turf boy.
But it seems to me as though this is a way to subvert the
political career of Chelsea Clinton.
Really? Do you think I because I thought about it momentarily,
but I'm like you
thought about it momentarily, because it actually makes some
sense that
we don't know if this is actually true. I mean, this is
just a statement that you know, a piece of paper. And they have
they actually have the paper on screen. I love it when they do
that. It's like Bradley Manning letterhead. What? Yeah, it's
Brett Riley Manning letterhead. Yeah, I know. I was like the
graphics department whip this up, didn't they? I mean, I don't
do you have letterhead? Do you have John C Dvorak letterhead
laying around somewhere? Do you
have some old letterhead but I never use it because I can with
it with the printers and the email and the Microsoft document
maker and all the rest of it. You can create any letterhead,
you wanted to drop them a hat. So I have a bunch of them that I
will use if I needed one. I'll put one up
for this, but I love it when they do that. And they have like
a printed letter like Bradley Manning couldn't send an email.
I'm sorry, Chelsea, he decided that no, I'm gonna I'm gonna get
my letterhead and was positioned in the middle, you know? Just
like yeah, like, like lefties.
Exactly. So the whole thing to me, it's like, wow, this is and
I think somewhere it relates to, you know, it's gonna come back
somewhere, you watch it and be like, well, you know, we have
Bradley Manning and then, you know, we have Glenn Greenwald.
You know, it's the gay Cabal. There's all kinds of stuff
that's going
to happen with this cabal is getting on my nerves in this
story, because of the owners in Cooper, and then he has the
Brazilian kid on there. The whole thing is getting a little
like wood is a little suspicious of this whole thing. It's very
fishy.
Alright, so. So you think that this is in some ways a
subverting Chelsea Clinton? Well,
you have to remember that the Delete itself was subverting
Hillary. A timing. Targeted nice, thanks. was Hillary.
Wow. Yes, you're right. It was all State Department cables.
You're right.
So the second thing would be so obviously, this is a frontal
attack on the Clinton family. Wow. And then just like,
orchestrated by God knows who and
why. I wish I could have been a part of that meeting, though.
Oh, we gotta do this. I got a bill a bill. I got a great idea.
Was that Ted? We're gonna have changes sex. Yeah, we're bashing
you put it through all this trouble. He's got 35 years in
jail, and he's you're gonna make him change his sex? Yeah.
What Wait, wait, I got an idea. Let's make him call himself
Chelsea. Ah,
keep that bitch Hillary from running. So play the 35 years
clip. I thought this was kind of an interesting revelation. I
didn't realize you win the game 35 years because we've just been
so used to the kind of crap that goes on with this administration
and the one before that we don't think much about this, but let's
put some things in perspective. By playing the 35 years clip,
which has been covering the Manning trial for the New York
Times, Charlie 35 years sentence, seven years, perhaps
before he gets the chance to be paroled? Is that considered a
tough outcome?
It is a tough outcome. It is the longest by far sentence ever
handed down in the United States, in a case involving the
leak of government secrets to the news media to be reported to
the public.
So we're also talking about a reduction in rank as well as
dishonorable discharge does that add to this thing as well?
Well, I think being reduced to the lowest rank of private and a
dishonorable discharge, it was expected and it's sort of a
minor thing. That's the 35 year prison sentence. That's the the
important factor, a staggering amount of time compared to other
sentences that have been handed down to convicted leakers,
what what comparable sentences can you can you draw the link to
here
go over you have to remember that there have been very few
convictions of people for leaking information for public
consumption at all in this country. The first time that
happened was in 1985, or 84, where a former Navy analyst was
sentenced to two years and it was so rare that President
Clinton later pardoned him because it was sort of unfair
that this one guy had been convicted for something that
happens all the time. under this administration, of course, we've
seen as it's been well documented, a flurry, a
crackdown on leaking, there been a few cases, one resulted in a
sentence of one year probation and community service. One set
resulted in 20 months in prison one resulted in 30 months in
prison. And so 35 years is a categorical difference.
Yeah, what's
it's just not nobody's paid attention to this. Yeah, this
is this is really an outrageous sentence is what you're saying
compared to everything else we've seen
for any leaking of classified information for public
consumption. And he makes it clear in there. Now there was
this wasn't this. In fact, Brett Manning got more years than a
couple of guys, apparently, and I can't get you the exact
numbers of guys who spied for the Russians, and they were true
traders. They weren't really making anything for public
consumption. They were spying as actual spies. And they didn't
get this kind of sense. This is this is a very,
this is this is this has to be there's gotta be something by
all, messaging propaganda. It seems that you know, now, you
know, every journalist as we know, you know, there's there is
often no difference between the intelligence services in any
country and their news divisions, both. But you know,
not just print, but primarily print. It seems like and we just
have a whole bunch of spies all, you know, writing stories about
each other and yelling back and forth, and just the whole,
nothing is what it seems in this nothing right.
And the other thing to note is that some of the analysts are
annul it. Analysis, I'm sorry, this particular case is, and
you'll see the code word used a lot chilling
effect feeling. Yeah, you've actually you note you alerted us
to the word of the use of the word chilling many years ago,
and I see it still all the time.
Yeah, it's a code word. But chilling effect is what this
this was to have a chilling effect on the media, and just
what but if you look at just what you've now said, how every
media is long gone. I mean, it's sold out forever. How's it
having a chilling effect on the media when the media has sold
out?
Well, so this is something that I picked up on, I've got a
second. Let me bring it up here. So here's Glenn Greenwald. And
this I think, is the main point of this exercise is to determine
who is a journalist, what is journalism, where do you draw
the line and perhaps, John, this is now flowing right into the
media shield law so that we can actually define who is going to
have, quote unquote, protection
licenses?
Yeah. Why is this not working? Hello. That's weird. Let me try
it again. This is new. Glenn. Was he carrying classified
material with?
Well, not going to talk about what he was carrying? Because
that's our work product is journalists. Remember, both
Laura and I are working with the Guardian as work product guard.
I got my work product right here. What I would say is every
single newsroom in the United States, every single major news
organization in the world has classified information reporting
on what governments do in the secret is what journalism is
about. So if you want to support the idea that states can just go
and confiscate from journalists classified information, you
should be demanding that your government goes physically into
newsrooms and sees whatever classified information is there.
All of the best reporting over the last 40 years involves
journalists having class spied information, the Pentagon
Papers, the Bush torture site, CIA black sites, the illegal
warrantless eavesdropping program, that's what
investigative journalism is. And if you want to start
criminalizing that that means that you're asking as a citizen
to be kept ignorant and to allow people in power to conceal what
they're doing behind a wall of secrecy and to have no
accountability, or transparency journalism is not a crime, and
it is not terrorism. And I find this interesting this
conversation because to me, with this statement, and with what
happened here, and I, I love how everyone, or everyone the news
media has classified David, what's his name? Maron, what's
his name Marine, Miranda, Miranda, whatever,
as you asked me, and then you Thank you.
But everyone's classifying as Glenn Greenwald's partner. Now
this is a very,
this is all calls them his husband.
They're not as far as I know, they're not married, though.
They're not officially married, even though they do live in
Brazil, where gay marriage is legal. It was always tolerated.
Now, it's officially legal, according to the book of
knowledge, but you know, this whole, like, he's my partner
thing. There's a reason for that. And it is a very British
thing. I would say to you, some people even call their spouse
their partner. But you know, you're my partner, you know,
it's like, it's not like, hey, oh, no, but you know, it's like,
you know, because I'm a cop. So just because you're my partner.
Now, you're a cop, you know, it doesn't really work that way.
And, you know, what is the point of David Miranda go carrying
stuff, you know, what is the point? Is it the only one I
missed in the story? He had microfiche, his microfilm you
know, it's like what is this? This whole thing makes no sense
you can you can email stuff you can go over some research you
can you can there's a million ways
to get to do this. Let's go over just the basics of of this
entire I think this whole thing is a complete ruse. It's a ruse.
It's beyond a ruse. It was a setup. And it was done by Glenn
Greenwald. And let me say, here's the reasons why. Why was
he on that particular flying you can fly directly? Well, you
can't fly directly as a matter of fact, in fact, you can not
only fly directly but if you get to Frankfort, you can fly
directly under Brazilian carrier but let's just go over the
flights he did that he had options to take this flight. Why
would then you have to ask yourself the question. Why did
he go to Heathrow so I booked some flights for the Sunday for
this upcoming Sunday which is the same as the you know, the
same as last Sunday I looked at the flights and what was
available, the best deal to Rio from that, by the way the 76
flights. The best deal is through Liz been on on tap. It's
$1,124 that take it's about 19 hours.
And we got to presume the guardian or cheapskates, so And
since they are apparently
journalistic operation, it's a cheapskate operation. They all
are so 1124 That's your that's your deal. The shortest is
through Amsterdam. It's a short flight. It's only 1355. And it's
$1,921. That's a lot. That's a lot extra though. A lot more.
Yes. And then if you the first the cheapest flight through
Heathrow, why would you go through Heathrow knowing that
the you know, the British intelligence and American
intelligence are watching, but you Okay, we're gonna go through
Heathrow. Why don't you take the the $2,600 flight, which is a 17
hour flight. Instead, you choose a flight that is $2,900. It's as
long as the flight through Lisbon. It's just about 19 hours
really long flight, which is the cheapest and Lisbon is the
cheapest option, this visit cheapest This is 2900 bucks. And
to top it off to make you wonder what's the deal because of
course, the key was that this landed at 805 in the morning
when you had a shift change, and everything was perfectly set up
to get stopped. But here's the question I asked you you know
how you fly around with you and with was just the options I gave
you right there? Would you take this really expensive flight
takes just as long as the cheapest flight and you have to
be at the airport you have to be okay.
Let me say something else. So besides just the logistics and
the cost of it, anybody who knows if you're in journalism
and if you eat oh let's say if you're sending your partner
along who's carrying journalistic What did you call
it?
Nothing No,
no a call it notes are tools of the trade whatever is work
product is journalistic work product. You don't send someone
there's no need to send someone through a non Schengen Agreement
country which is the UK. So if you go from Berlin to Portugal
to Amsterdam, to any other country in Europe, you don't
have to go through passport control. detail. It's only the
UK that I think this will like maybe Sweden or something But
this is the Oh and you know, anyone who's been to London,
unless you're going for the duty free at the airport, the process
of going through UK customs is almost as bad as the United
States except they're the guys are all Indian with big turbans
on their heads. At least we have like uniforms and guns, you
know, it makes you kind of makes you feel like something special
is happening when you're being let in. But there it's like when
you're public. It's horrible. It is it is an atrocious
experience. There's no reason anyone would even want.
And I want to make I want to re emphasize this flight left at
7am. If you and in Berlin, yeah, who is going to I don't like I
mean, if you're in a metropolitan area like this,
okay. You have to be at the airport at five you have to get
up at four in the morning.
I we get it. You're absolutely right. This makes no sense.
Unless you specifically want to be caught. Right. Okay. So what
is your conclusion then? Why? Why did
he didn't have anything on this was another Glenn Greenwald, the
branding exercise? Yeah, seriously, he got on some shows
again. Now he got on Anderson Cooper, and it made a big stink.
I think the British were completely taken in by it. And I
think the reason for keeping him for nine hours was, I think the
reason you do that in this case, because you know, he had thumb
drives, he probably I'm assuming they hope to get into take a
crap, just in case he had a thumb drive off his butt. And
they could get it out of the shit. And so they probably
probably didn't take a crap and they probably fish through his
dunk, dunk, and they got embarrassed by this. So Glenn
Greenwald had a big laugh on that, that was never discussed.
Hey, hey, hey, baby. It was the fun. And so this whole thing was
a was a, an incredible, and then they also got to make the point
that schedule seven, which is the terrorist thing. You can't
stop anybody if they if you immediately. In fact, apparently
the British oversight guy is going to look into this. You
can't stop and harass some guy.
No, no, no, no, no, I've read the legislation. This is not
true. This is not true. Even if you have materials that could be
deemed
a danger. That's what Jeff Tobin says do and I have that clip.
But it's in it's in the it's in the section seven I read it it
says it right there. So this is there's no there's no dispute.
And by the way, the same thing happens in America only. We
don't have a limit of nine hours in America. We can keep you for
weeks for days, whatever. And yeah, here's the stuff is you
have no protection over your stuff. New
this does bring out the point which it may be Greenwald wanted
to do with this is bullcrap. I mean, this reminds me of the
people who have been, you know, TSA is supposedly when it was
put in place was to look for terrorists implement.
So please, please don't make it. There's a difference between TSA
and CPB. So you have the border Customs and Border Protection
Agency
know what I know. But that's not my point. I was saying the TSA
was put in place to do a certain job, and they still will bust
somebody for marijuana,
or whatever. Absolutely. They just busted out their job.
But they do it anyway. And that's it. I still think that
this is something of a stretch. I mean, Miranda himself. In
fact, they have the clip says that not once. Did they even ask
him anything about terrorism? This whole eight hours play them
around on Cooper? And I'll say again, it doesn't matter what I
was carrying everything. And David British authorities say
that they detained you under it's called schedule seven of
the UK Terrorism Act, which allows them to question someone
to determine if there they are or have been and I quote,
concern to the Commission preparation or invest or
instigation of acts of terrorism. Did they actually ask
you anything about terrorism?
Now, they didn't ask me anything about terrorism and not not one
question about it. And I think it's really weird because I was
in for like, eight hours without talking to anybody outside and
like they're just like me, I have to ask them, do I have to
answer this? And they asked me just telling me like if you
don't answer this, you're gonna go to jail.
Yeah, hold on, John. This is this is like a red herring. This
is this
will this is what I'm telling you from the beginning is the
whole thing.
I just I just wondering,
it was point
I kind of just want to make this one point that the law is of
course nonsensical. We have the same here but they have every
single right to ask him whatever they want in any fashion. It
doesn't have to be just about terrorism. And the fact that you
have actual journalist saying This means they are complicit in
the scam because they know you can read it's in plain English
that this is permissible.
The old First Sight guy who appeared on BBC Two, who is the
guy who looks at these cases said, and I have to get a clip
for the Sunday show and I can do it said specifically that if you
can determine this person is not involved with terrorism, you
don't keep them for nine hours versus he says of 60,000 people
that were stopped on
this, this is a dumb argument. They can do whatever they want.
We're in a police state worldwide.
This guy's just repeating what this guy said. I'm arguing
he then he's in some other intelligence agency, he's just
fueling the fire. Maybe he just wants to write a book, who knows
this? It's ridiculous. That part of the conversation is stupid,
really mad and mad at that?
I just telling you that I think this whole thing was rigged by
Greenwald to begin with. All right. And I think and I think
the real kicker here is that Greenwald, actually this guy
probably doesn't appreciate this, was hoping he'd get thrown
in jail. Because he apparently threatened him with jail
numerous times. Yeah. Because you wouldn't answer questions of
why do you bring in witnesses? What?
Why don't you just divorce the guy? Wouldn't it be easier just
kick him out? Like, dude, I'm tired of you know.
It's a way to divorce the guy with publicity. But that would
be my boy, my husband's and J partner, my partner, my partner
says, Yo, can you easily get on the show? Specifically, he
called him his husband. Oh, really?
Okay. I thought they were not married. I could be wrong.
Right? Maybe
they're not. But he called Greenwald on the show that you
recorded that clip from specifically said, my husband.
So so so but here's the interesting thing that happened,
then we have the guardian. And we have this, the spy who runs
the Guardian, and doesn't that guy look like a British spy with
his moptop hair, you've seen the Edit looks like a spy. And so
you all of a sudden, he's like, we're going to destroy this
laptop. And they published a picture of like, half a
motherboard, and you're not there's not even a drive in the
picture. And then they have this big hoo ha about how they have
to, you know, they have to do this even though they have
copies everywhere. The whole thing. It's, I mean, it's like,
you know, we had spy versus spy in Mad Magazine. Except now
there's, there's a black spy, a white spy, but there's a red
one. There's a yellow one. That's, I think the the all
countries now have gotten confused as to who's doing what,
and they're just running around trying to get on TV.
Well, they're doing a pretty good job of getting on TV.
Now. Although no one no one, you know, why
bother you? Does it bother you that? That the meal you have spy
DOM is such that I'd say a good 80 to 90% of them are
identifiable. I mean, just like you said with that guy. No girls
that show with these women who show up on the various
especially on Fox, the ones who come in to the only brunettes
and the operation and they all look like spooks.
Well, you know what I think I will say this about the
intelligence services. I liked their hiring policies, because
most of these girls that kind of hot, you know, this, like they
all have something going
for that Valerie plan was looking good. Yeah, no, no, but
I think that this, this is something that started a long
time ago, and said, Look, you know, I think we should get good
looking women to be surprised. And most of them are in the US,
if
you remember the story, which we've got to remind people to
read the newest or newer listeners, which is hit
Confessions of an economic hitman. He was solicited by one
of these women exam and essentially sexed up to become,
you know, this this character in the book. So the
easiest way, I mean, look at it, that's that's how they get them
all. That's how you bring down world leaders, at least for some
reason. That's how it's done. Now, I'm not sure how that ever
got to be a fireable offense or, like so shocking. That used to
be the norm in certainly in France and in other countries,
like, he has a mistress or whatever. And it wasn't a big
deal. And now it's like, Ah, so shocking. It's
just never been a good one. It's never been accepted in the
United States. No,
no, but why?
Well, everyone would trace it to our Puritan upbringings, a
heritage of the country. And yeah, you had to, I mean, during
the Jeffersonian period, I mean, there's plenty of weirdness
going on, but I don't know. Just it's just not it's not religious
or something. I have no idea.
Here's a question for you, John, in all of this, and then we have
all these revelations about and in fact, the the Wall Street
Journal, they kind of did an end around and now we're back to
stellar wind and all these all these things have been sucking
off the entire fiber optic Data Pipe and 75% of the internet is
now sucked up by the NSA. So we have all of these revelations
what There now at this very moment is anonymous. Where's the
big action? Where's all the outrage from? Where are the Guy
Fawkes mask videos? Nowhere
will a lot of people believe is because the anonymous guy, there
is an anonymous guy and he's in jail.
Neva where's the movement anonymous?
Apparently there was it looks pretty weak now that you
mentioned because if one guy goes to jail, and the next thing
I know there's nothing going on.
Exactly. Exactly. The but not just one guy goes to jail.
Anonymous what? You know, they they did another like
Scientology attack just a couple of weeks ago. But when it comes
to the real deal to the real thing, where is it?
Well, he was upfront all along.
It's quite possible. Regardless, we have good news, the United
States government and we laughed about this when the President
said he was going to build a website about the intelligence
community's transparency.
He believes intelligence community supposed to have
transparency when the White House doesn't,
but forget that they built their website on Tumblr.
Did you see this thing? No, what's the name of it?
And I thought it was a hoax. It's I see on the record, India
Charlie on the record.tumblr.com. And I'm like
the first one like now this is this is this is a joke, but
they've literally they've built their website, the transparency
website on Tumblr. i Are you kidding me?
This looks like a joke, but it's not declassified. I thought it
was declassified documents relating to Section 702 of FISA.
Here's what I had to go because I looked for press releases on
whitehouse.gov couldn't find it. And then someone said no, the
Twitter account and SC press at NSC press. They tweeted it and
I'm like, Yeah, so what? And then, you know, it turns out
that's a verified account. And then at White House had
retweeted it. This is the real deal. And they've got like
little little locks that are
cost $8 million. So no,
apparently I don't know what the deal is. But it's just like this
is this is your transparency website on Tumblr.
Maybe they have stock in Yahoo or some who owns Tumblr, who
owns Tumblr, I think. Yeah, yeah. Who just bought it? Yeah.
Who raised me to uh, well, when you're done with this, I got it.
Well, Yahoo, by the
way, who, who apparently now have surpassed Google in
traffic. So you know, now of course we have Google is already
40% of the internet's traffic. Apparently, Yahoo is the other
60% So there's nothing else except Yahoo and Google?
Yeah. So well, this is by the way that's it's changed the
subject completely extremely bad news for us. The we've had we
had a we got some note from a guy who sent it to you through
the or
Oh, through the big message. Yeah, we have an insider at
MailChimp, MailChimp is is a very largely used program or
system for for the mailing lists for the marketing email. But
also for the note in the newsletter,
the entire system is somehow under attack. I think the untold
story with that message besides the fact that he was sent it to
you, it says he's a secret guy in the company, which is that
they help you anyway. I mean, I've sent notes in this URL, you
should do this and that he's not telling me anything. We don't We
can't find out already. He sends it to you instead of to me,
everyone knows I do the mailing list. And I have the accounting
he would know that because it's got my email address. We are
losing our ass on these mailings because our open rate has
dropped from down to no use to average about 49 to 55% which is
way above industry average average as it's way above
industry average but but for newsletters is not really it's
you know, you really want to get a pretty high open rate because
it's a newsletter, people subscribe to it. They
volunteered to get it or they get it because they donate and
then they can kill it. We it dropped to 27% because of the of
Google having this extreme this new promotions tab, which by the
way, you can go into your settings and turn all those tabs
off. You can just yeah, if you just turn the tide. Nobody knows
that they can't most people can't figure anything out. So
that that goes on the mailing that went out for last for this
show, which was sent out on Wednesday 1130 Pacific time.
Never arrived in the Yahoo box.
Oh, really not in the Yahoo box at all.
It didn't show up and it didn't show up in Yahoo spam spam.
Yahoo has a big spam box that you can look at. But Google
doesn't even do that. They just just everything just disappears.
This big spam box known as Marissa Meyer. Hey, yo.
So anyway, so the so there is a something, the reason I think we
got that note is something fishy is going on. Hey, wait a
minute, John, are you telling me you're tracking people?
Who am I tracking?
You're tracking what they're doing with our newsletters?
Yes, I'm tracking these companies. Because you have to
send out these dummy dummy emails to different boxes and
see what happens. So Yahoo doesn't show up at all, Google
gets thrown into the promotions box. And people have complained
to me that they've tried to move the Yeah. Okay, so I'm supposed
to build a drag and drop, it doesn't work.
Now, I've tried that too. And people say that, you know,
it'll, it'll pop up a message saying, Do you want to always,
you know, bypass the promotions tab or something like that I
tried it didn't, I didn't get that message. I didn't get the
message. And and you can remove the promo, you can actually
remove the promotions tab. But there's another one, two,
there's like the social tab or whatever, the social network.
The whole point is, it's very, very subtle. What is going on
here. But it is just a tip of the iceberg. Really, I mean,
people still don't understand that when they look at, you
know, Facebook, and I'm sure Twitter's if they're not already
they will be doing it, that you're not seeing everything
from your friends, you're seeing whatever algorithm Facebook
feels you should see from your, like, people use Facebook, like,
Hey, I haven't heard from so. And so I haven't seen anything
on my timeline? Well, no, because you're not being shown
anymore. So that is you're open to manipulation. And it's not
really nefarious other than to sell you crap one way or the
other.
So anyway, it's a disaster for us, I think you're gonna see a
real decrease in donations, because the newsletter reminds
people to watch the show, and also reminds people to
contribute to the show. So we're getting we're getting slammed by
both these services. And I think about, I think at least 60% of
our users use Gmail. And I think the rest of them probably use
Yahoo, we only had one person come in as an executive producer
for the today's show. And that came through the mail, we got
absolutely nothing through email.
And it has to be we have to can't understate really, or
overstate how important these young people are. If I don't
fire the the bat signal as an example, people miss the show to
like, oh, man, I didn't get the bad signal. And I forgotten you
know, I missed the show. Because you know, people's lives are
busy. They're not contrary to what I would like. They're not
thinking about the show all the time. And so people forget that
we have these these newsletters, and you know, we have some
information about what's upcoming on the show. And it's
really a reminder that hey, you know, we're here, please check
us out, and, and support the work as well. And if you're not
receiving it, people just forget, they go on with their
lives and other things happen.
These things are being thrown away by the server. Let me tell
you, here's an example of the Yahoo situation. This is what
really got me because I'm looking at I don't have the
newsletter doesn't show up, I go to the spam box. And the spam
box has got a bunch of crap in it. Mostly, you know, so and so
wants you to be her Facebook friend, a bunch of solicitations
for hookers essentially, of different sorts. It's just a
bunch of benefit. is there's a bunch of junk in there that is,
you know,
are you getting the one I'm getting this a lot? Hey, I
missed you online the other day, are you gonna? We've seen all
these. They're good, though. Because no matter how you can't
spam, you can't spam filter those out, they keep coming
through. Hey, it's Miranda.
Yeah, well, that you start checking now because these are
not coming through. And here's the thing that got that got to
me. So I'm looking in the spam box is a bunch of this kind of
stuff you just described. And then I just I just saw this all
day, looking for the newsletter, which wasn't even in there. So I
just killed all that stuff that purged it. And then as soon as I
went back to my amp now empty box, a huge, huge ad from Yahoo
shows up meet singles in Berkeley, essentially stealing
the business of these other spammers. Yeah. And by the way,
that you can go around the country and go through the same
process. And you'll see see meet singles in St. Louis, and take a
screenshot of that it's the same women what are these women
floating around in a bus? It doesn't make any there's a whole
thing that isn't Wow, out and out fraud. John god,
you're doing you're telling me that the women they put in the
ads aren't the ones you'll actually meet in Berkeley.
You won't meet anybody, by the way. So that's your first
mistake, thinking you're gonna meet somebody. So. So this is a
direct attack and mercantile attack. Yeah, that's mergency
all businesses, us, it's an attack on us and everyone else.
So these companies who are trying to get their numbers up
can steal the business in the case of Yahoo, and these
solicitations, well for you know, friendfinder So here's how
it goes. So here's how it goes. Like, oh, let me see if there's
anything from no agenda, any news and like, hey, these chicks
look hot. Oh, wait, and let me know amigo, though. Let me go
check this website out and they're gone. And then we're
done. We're toast, subverted by hookers.
Well, we're not subverted just just by hookers were subverted
by these, these free email service providers who have
decided to go into business for themselves. And they're just
essentially going to start targeting the their users with
stuff that they want to sell them. And instead of giving them
the free email service that they were promised, I mean, this
whole thing is completely upside down. It's a it's a disaster for
us. It's obviously showed up in the in today's
what let's let's thank our one on one producer who said,
Nicholas print prints. Prints seat by guest prints SEPA
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prinsip prinsip pay Principate principle a principle design
Raleigh North Carroll whatever his name is, he can call himself
executive producer. I've episode 541 That's where
he'll be the executive producer. He did send a note so they can
find it. I get a bunch of notes from different people think he's
got the little one here? Yeah, he sent a longhand note. Connie
that's kind of a mish Mosh ITM John anatomy finally finally
correcting from Boehner to donor after several months of
listening after after disc can't read that no agenda buy
something browsing of all the things I he only got it from the
iTunes Music Store just out of the blue you never really know
why. Anyway, you're all overdue for some value for value. So
here it is $333.33 Instead of any karma or anything just let
Adam come up with some jingles a jingle combination of his own
choosing Keep up the good work. You all need as much support as
you can get the best value mac and cheese around kind of thing
okay, I get to do well since since since he is a new the the
sole executive producer due to clearly our failed promotions.
But thanks to the promotions of the free email services, I get
to do a nice long little sequence
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We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it. In
southern countries secret intelligence is used to control
their people in ours it only exists to protect their
freedoms, protect their freedoms protect their freedom
that's one of the great clips Thank you Nicholas
highly appreciate that. So then don't wait for an email to show
up to remind you let me remind you right now vorak.org/and A we
need you to support our show because I'm now I see what
you're talking about. I'm looking at the spreadsheet
whenever short donation segment as well today so
the the thing and I use the word so the thing that is going on is
it and I think if I was MailChimp I'd be freak because I
think everybody this is going to start people are going to start
noticing it's quite the
it's quite the opposite you know the order in the reality may be
different but the I have find it for you. The CEO of MailChimp
was really he's cavalier about this really Cavalier and you got
to think that the only reason why because you know here's
here's how I would see it play out I'm gonna search for this
right now for the the MailChimp guy. Here's how I'd see it play
out I would have sanctioned for a fee lose, which is what it's
going to come down to, like, Oh, if you want to reach outside of
the promotions tab, well, then you're going to have to pay some
extra money probably to MailChimp cool, then, you know,
we're being charged by Google. This is how the shakedown works
we already have this would you have whitelist in the email
spent any if you have if you start a company today, and you
have users who need to retrieve a password, do not think that
they can just retrieve your password or get you know your
company emails, you will have to go through a whitelisting
service which can cost upwards of $100,000 a year just to be
whitelisted on the big so called free email providers. We've been
through this John we've seen this happen
Yeah, no this is getting to be a real problem with the only I
mean the bypass is syntax tags
tax is gonna be a tax and we buy it.
It's a fee it's a fee. It's a fee in fact mail I bet you
MailChimp and Constant Contact into two or three other these
services that are the big ones that are big I think extorted
are probably the price at Yeah, well, you know, you see the
there, they have certain IPS comes through and your Google or
Yahoo and you say, Ah, yeah, throw that in the promotions tab
it's coming from, if it's coming from MailChimp, it's not
personally and I just John, and you can actually see in a
meeting and
it's much deeper than that. Did you all these guys are hooked up
to it's not it'll come to you in a moment, the name of the
service, but there's all these transport providers that if you
don't use that, then you're automatically suspicious.
Because then you know, I've been deep into this by rebuilding my
mail server. And, you know, I was like, Oh, I thought I'll
just write a little giblet about this. It's not easy. And it's
technically it's easy to get it set up. But then to figure out
what is how do you deal with spam yourself? That's one part
of it, the incoming. But the other part is, how do you tell
other mail services that you're not spam? This is this is very,
very complicated. It's doable, but there's a there's a lot of
hoops and these guys, it's cartel forming, essentially,
these guys have all gotten they've got it all nailed down.
And it's only a matter of time before they start charging you
money to send if I if, if I could do it, that will be my
service, guaranteed email delivery, because you can't
guarantee your email is going to arrive anymore because of all of
this stuff. There's in the mail. I can't find the article but the
MailChimp guy. I'm telling you, he's he's too smug about this.
Oh, you know, maybe a little dip. We're not too worried about
it. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. So when is the premium service
coming? You watch? Put it in the book?
Yeah. Well, there's definitely going to be gouging involved
because that's the way you do it. But it seems to be we're
looking at essentially what amounts to criminal enterprise
in every direction from coming in from everywhere. Well, you
know, the end the top guys Google and Yahoo, like you said,
they're number one and two. They're the top of the of this
of this racket and racketeering it
is and when here's what's gonna happen because they're hurting
small business. We're small business, we are very small
business, but we employ one. Besides us, we employ Eric, the
shell. And I think that may even be it's below with minimum wage
was probably illegal. But it's, it's hurting us. And so if
people continue to let this grow and to let these let these
monopolies What did you call it? The, you know, the the criminal
enterprise, continue to suppress everything, you're gonna wind up
with really shitty shows to listen to? Because we'll be off?
We'll be done. We'll have to we'll move on to do something
else. And you know, I don't know what's left. Enjoy. Is good luck
with that.
Yeah, well, actually, there's nothing else. But now this
situation is completely out of control. i The only thing I can
recommend for people is to kill those those tabs on the Google
Gmail.
Get off it. Yeah, just stop using it. Stop using it. But you
know how you're going to do that when even most of the companies
now I was looking at here's the thing I was I was we had an
article about us in one of the large German German newspapers.
Yeah. Which was a nice article, actually. Yeah, we'll link to it
in the show notes. And I tweeted about it. That's in the show
notes. Right. I tweeted about it, too. So I went to the
Translate services, the
translation was media was terrible, wasn't even close.
It was to it was very, you know, modern German, and apparently
Google can't even do so that goes to Google Translate
immediately. And it did does the crappiest job of translation.
You wouldn't know what this article was about. It's not even
close. Can I read that? Can
I read a passage? Wait, let
me finish this little? Yeah. So I just saw I said, Well, you
know, there's a lot of alternatives. So I go to another
one. And then it redirects me to Google Translate. There used to
be like, 10 of these things. And now they're all Google
Translate. What did that
happen among all the expectations brought to the
internet, but we're disappointed. Bear tobradex
radio theory was after that, that's a very famous writer, old
school was every small producers broad an audience will one of
the most durable. The internet has the institutions but not
overcome. But on the contrary, it has created giant
multibillion dollar corporations, small media
institutions that resist this development, fighting for the
economic freedom. They're mostly dependent on advertising
revenues that a public media offer an independent,
sustainable and directly funded remains an unfulfilled desire. I
sound like one of those like the entertainment reporters who get
their brain scrambled but like the award show, yeah. Maybe,
maybe they're run by Google Translate. They're actually
German spies.
This translation is not even close to anything functional.
Well, it tells me that it's not really possible. It's just not
it's not that easy.
No, we know that that, but I remember there being a couple of
services that were a lot better than this.
Hmm, I've, you know, I've I've because I speak to
what you're saying. And I agree with you that generally
speaking, it's impossible. But it's not doesn't have to be this
bad.
What you're saying is that at least what came out the other
side was it may not have been entirely correct, but at least
it was English.
Well, you least you can kind of figure out what they were
talking about. This thing is impossible. You can't figure out
what they're talking about something about our show. And
there's a picture of you and you and you're in a sports car. What
is that? That's a picture
from 19 From 2006. And it's not a sports car. It's no it is
that's my Audi know when I had an Audi.
Oh, I always thought you had an any.
All right, I would want to as a PR mentioned here, I'd like to
thank the producer. I don't know his name I but I have the link
in the show notes at 541 dot na shownotes.com who was producing
the no agenda dashcam video, which is great. So essentially,
it's him listening to a no agenda episode while you're
watching the road. Is that it's quite mesmerizing, that it's
pretty mesmerizing. Just sitting there just watching him drive
along the highway, looking out the front and you're listening
to the show is it's kind of like if you don't have a commute.
It's like here have a commute while you're enjoying the show.
It's kind of good, fun, fun idea. And in the morning to you
John C. Dvorak.
In the morning, you Adam curry in the morning and all the ships
at sea boots on the ground feet in the air, and subs in the
water along with the night Knights and Dames out there.
Yes, I'd
also like to say in the morning to all of the human resources in
the chat room nogen the stream.com no agenda chat.net.
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of course, whether you donate or not, please consider propagating
our formula. Our formula is this, we go out, we hit people
in the mouth.
I do want to say one thing following on the email server
conversation. So I'm I'm a disc jockey. Really, I mean, I have
not had any classical training. I'm not a programmer, I'm just a
guy who has been interested. And if you take the time to read,
and I'll say this too, because there's a whole generation who
have grown up with computers. And actually, my lovely wife,
Miss Mickey used to be this way. And here's here's where it is.
So the computer tells you something. And it's sometimes
it's a like a recently it's been I got a rejection message from
your mail server, it didn't work. And I'll say, Well, what
did the message say? I don't know, I threw it out, too. Well,
you know, there's something there's actually information in
there that might say, I couldn't find the address, you know, I'll
try again, your attachment was too large, or you spell the name
wrong, you spell Yeah, spell the name wrong. So there is and I
will be the first to admit that engineers make shitty
informational messaging. And we all have seen the funny dialog
boxes that pop up on programs. But if you take the time,
because I've seen this happen, people go like, Oh, Bloom, I got
an error, click that click it away. Without reading what it
said. And you're not gonna learn anything about your noc, you're
not gonna get any further without reading. What is being
said. Now? Yes, it's often written by an engineer,
sometimes not even the English is not his first language. And
it's going to you have to think about what is he actually
saying, but at least you have part of that information. You
know, this, this is still 10 years ago, we didn't have any of
this. So you've got to participate in the system and
help make it better and learn a little bit. And you can learn
how to run a Linux box, you can learn how to set up an email
server, you know, the people, everyone wants a an app, like a
click one in one click Install App, it's not going to happen.
Okay, it's not going to happen for email, you're gonna have to
learn how to do it. But guess what? A it's free. It's
virtually free the software that's available. Then if you
want you can set up a virtual server on Rackspace or somewhere
else and you wish you can kill so it'll cost you like $2 to
experiment if you do it for two days. But you've got to you've
got to do something. And it's not like brain surgery. If these
things are written in English.
Some people don't have the time for it. Their work King for a
living, they have a family to raise, they expect to go to
Yahoo mail and get their mail. When it was sent to them, Well,
I'm sure they're gonna have a bunch of crap in there too. But
if something like it's I was on I was went to LinkedIn, and now
LinkedIn is trying to become Facebook. So they got all these
news feeds and people's commentaries and whatever
somebody wrote an article, there's right on the front page,
and it says, Oh, this is now that Google's put the promotions
tab on, this is such an improvement. It ends the cold
calling, it ends this, it ends that, okay, I'm reading this
idiot, I write this, I write a nasty notice that this is
bullcrap. There are people that there aren't all the newsletter,
people out there, and there's tons of them, the news, your
newsletter is not going to get through anymore, because
Google's decided that is not something somebody wants,
let me just finish my thought here for a second because it
plays right into that. So everybody, even if you work
really, really hard, okay, everybody has a day or two off.
And if this is if it doesn't bother you, if you if this is
all great, and you know, you're happy that you don't get the
spam anymore, or fantastic, then whatever, then you deal with
your life the way you want to. But it's not just about an email
server, it's auto, all of these things. It's like learning how
your car works. We don't know that anymore, either. And these
things are good skills to have. It's also gee, it can be fun.
And I have to say here at home, even just miss Mickey just
taking the time to read the dialogues, has gone from me
being a full time IT support person for her to a husband and
a lover. It's really improved a lot of things in our life. And
she says, she'll come down she go, Hey, man, I fixed it myself.
And she's really proud of what she's done. And she knows now
I'd like you know, hey, I'm going to take a trip. I did not
upgrade my iOS software. Yeah, you're fantastic. And it's these
little things. And if you take a little bit of time, it's gonna
make your life that much better. And maybe you'll you'll, you'll
think of something new that you can do that's better than email
or better than the established apps and systems that we have.
You know what, make your kids do it. Tell your kids to go learn
how to do this stuff. Now about reading, geez. But I think it's
important. I think that I think
your lecture is fine. I think it's falling on deaf ears.
Maybe about reading. Okay. So and I said so. The coroner
report came out regarding the Michael Hastings. Autopsy now
I'm sure you've heard of this, John.
I've heard of it. Yes. Yes. I thought it was
cremated. That turns out to be not true. Oh,
that's nice to know. D we call that biatch out early.
Okay. Did you did you read any articles about about the results
of whatsoever? Really? You're full of shit. And you know you
did?
No, I don't know what you're talking about my I don't even
know who this guy is. Come on.
Help me out a little bit. All right. What? All right, so
Michael Hastings. We all want to know you know what happened he
moved in. He drove his brand new Mercedes into a tree killed on
100
miles an hour and exploded even though the Mercedes company
itself went out of the way so our cars are designed not to do
what happened there. This is and they said this is bogus.
Exactly. And for some reason. Now my mouse is just freaked
out, which is never a good thing. What is going on here?
Yeah, those mouths always never trusted. I still don't think
they're gonna make it long term.
I don't think this thing will ever really work out as a
system.
I'm never gonna happen. We're gonna
have all right. So now what they say I'm gonna read the Okay, so
the reporting in general is Oh my God. He had in his system.
Methamphetamine DMT. Marijuana. It just didn't stop. It did not
stop and and, and every
is burnt to a crisp. I'd like to know how they got this
information. But okay, okay. Well,
so I have I have the coroner report and I have the lab report
and I have the police report. And also apparently when the two
cops went to his family's house, they were like, here upon
inquiry. This person family member believed decent.
decedent. Is that the Is that another word for deceased
decedent?
I definitely think that deceased is the way I was raised it
d c e d e n t decedent, the cedent destiny would be
decedent excellent to see didn't the deceit and to deceive as
well usually refers to like your son or your you know, some
deceit and I don't know what they do anyway. Continue.
The dead guy was currently used DMT confirmed use of medical
marijuana as well as
a drive on DMT
well, well that's so
it can't even stand up. Now that's not true. Okay, you can
stand up and you can talk to me you're gonna agree you're gonna
tap DMT which is an hour long ridiculous
let me let me move you beyond all this okay because this is
this is the conversation that your alternative media are
already having. So there's a couple of things that are weird.
So one is the body was charred. The literature says the eyes
were cooked the coroner writes this which is what what coroner
writes down a medical
says eyes and then next to it, you put Cookus
literally says, and there's heavy charring of the entire
head and neck. The scalp over the calvaria is completely
burned off the face is unrecognizable and completely
charred. The eyes are cooked, the tongue protrudes, protrudes,
protrudes and is thoroughly blackened so it is tongue
sticking out it's kind of a howl doll thing. Screaming does not
Yeah, there's moderate charring over the neck and left shoulder
area so it's all disgusting now the actual cause of death is of
course you know high speed into an immovable object which so you
never die of speed but the lack of speed but it went through his
right leg which I thought was interesting. So he died because
of his his leg being stuck on the accelerator. And that
compounds if you read this report compounds all the way
through and that basically kills you in seconds which is kind of
kind of interesting. So everyone is if you look at like chunk who
I guess did he worked with chunk in those guys on The Young
Turks.
He was on the show a lot or a couple of times and he then they
I think they got along and
they're all freaking out about this is now reg. No, this didn't
really happen in the system. It might have been weeks ago and
you know, you can't drive that didn't happen and you no one
reads the report. No one reads the report.
Okay, that's your imitation of Chun. That's
well, and the woman who was on the show? Yeah. So let me tell
you what I really found in the report. So we have the autopsy
report, and we have the lab report. Okay. And the lab sends
back information about what they actually found. And uses a lot
of NDS NDS, when they find carboxy, THC, some other THC,
some meth, some amphetamine, a couple other things. So they
have a little I don't I have no idea what the values mean.
That's not what I'm going to debate. But here's what I saw,
which I thought was rather interesting. So the source was
the chest blood. And the container type was the red top
tube. And okay, so that was what the lab used. And then you go
back into the coroner's report. And here's toxicology, I
collected chest blood and put it in a purple top tube. Oh,
really? I think I would see the difference between red and
purple. How about you?
Yeah, seems so. Yeah,
I'm thinking the blood was switched.
Oh, that could be and if not, I mean, DMT was reported. There's
something fishy about that. Let's face
it. If not, there's a huge discrepancy between purple and
red. This you can't have this. You can't have you know, one
report saying it. We put it in the purple top tube. And the
other report saying we put it in the red top tube. And why is no
one screaming about that? I'm going to tell you this is not
even his blood.
Now it's probably some rig blood blood.
Kept rig trick blood. Yeah. John.
Rig. Just to bunch of you got any blood over there some DMT in
it. Yeah,
I got some right here.
In there out. We can put this stuff in ourselves. It it's just
like,
well, what's the point of having this report with the blood? I
mean, what do you So okay, so they, whether he had, whether
it's his blood or not, it's
the whole idea is to prove that you know, whatever happened? Oh,
it's because he was stoned. Exactly. Exactly that and it's
close. I don't know about you. It's done. It's done. It's over.
You know, we'll never see it.
See, and somebody's you don't drive around and you're holy
shit. I hope I can get there. Let me just creep along at 10
miles.
If you'd like Oh, man. Oh, do do fast. 15 is way out of my
league. Yeah. And DMT I mean, yeah, you couldn't walk no
problem, but you're not going to well, you know, the DMT is only
20 minutes and after that it's in your system, but you don't
you're not high from it. This I can speak on some authority.
So the so I said it again. Damn it. No, it's not a no such thing
as a problem
sucks. Yeah. Well, there's,
if you just literally somewhere I think we've got amazing out of
our systems,
but there's so thing is really bad. And if you it's almost
hideous it is because it's not even doing anything other than
photos.
No, no might as well be a Hummer.
I don't know, I'd rather I'd rather you be a sower. But
sewers are better than Hummers any day. It is. It is the
method, it is the method of grabbing someone actually
grabbing the attention towards you in a conversation and break
it. There's also an incessant need to on the show like this. I
like having silence. But it's an incessant need for people to
never have a moment of silence for thought. And that's another
another and another way of doing it, obviously. But the so I hear
people doing it to each other the whole time. So how you
doing? So I'm okay, so where are you gonna go this weekend? So I
was thinking, listen, if you when you start really paying
attention to it, it's scary and bad. And, and I've gotten pretty
good at not doing it. But I've stopped saying to people, man,
you're really heavy on the CIO stuff.
I've stopped because I just know you have to because they don't
they nobody hears it. You don't hear yourself saying it. To be
self aware enough to catch yourself, which we've done twice
or three times on the show already. It takes a lot of
effort. But let's admit
it's, it's bad. And we're doing it too. And it's really bad. And
we got it.
We weren't doing the fact of the matter. Somebody, you or
somebody put together that clip of us. Back to the fact that a
fact of the matter. It was embarrassing.
Well, especially when we call people out on that stuff all the
time. Yeah. Have you noticed this? This is a very disturbing
new trend. And it's working very well. And I picked it up on
Facebook, I go to Facebook, maybe once every two days.
Usually when Mickey says hey, did you see what so and so put
on my Facebook? I'm like, No, don't even ask me that, you
know, and so, and the only reason why I really got Facebook
and I still have it is to keep tabs on my daughter, you know,
that's kind of where she's at. So I want to make sure I see
everything, but I'm always the terrorist guy. You know, I'm
always saying horrible things. I post horrible things.
You're a bad Facebook. Um,
I do it to me me a lot, too, by the way, who was picked up or
Facebooking. Somehow she's appeared on the radar again,
maybe Facebook decided I could see her posts again. And what's
happened is, I keep seeing these videos over and over again. And
it's always kind of the same thing. Kid tells grownups where
it's at teenager schools journalist. And what is
happening is the radical left, I will say the greenies which I'm
not against, because there's also a big anti GM movement have
trained their kids into becoming spokespeople for any type of
mission. And the end, it's kind of scary. Have you noticed that
it's a trend the new trick what so here's this 14 year old girl,
and she called out? I'm gonna say this was a Canadian news
guy, saying, you know, hey, you need to shut up about
genetically modified food. We are the future and you What do
you know? And she called him fascist with it, which is
incorrect, actually. And everyone's like, Oh, that's
funny. But we see use it incorrectly because we know what
fascism really is. No, she meant, like a totalitarian,
maybe. So and so they invite her onto their show. And she and
listen, just listen to her talk. And I have another example of
one of these kids. And you tell me that this kid has not been
trained and doing a very good job. Yes. 14 year
old Rachel parent throwing down the gauntlet to Kevin the teen
activist is passionate about genetically modified food
and as you just heard takes issue with a lot of things Kevin
has to say on the subject, including a show that we did
some time ago. Rachel's an activist and the founder of kids
right to know. Thank you for being here.
Thank you for having me
here today. Right there, right there. I'm already done. I'm
like, Oh, okay. That's exactly how you're trying to do an NPR
school.
I want to start with how you came to be passionate about
this. What was it about GMO that actually drew you in the first
place?
I didn't want to make a joke about it. But you want this.
This is the Canadian a Bucha show? Well, originally
I had to do a speech for my school and I really wasn't sure
what to do it on. So I was reached researching these
different topics and I realized that GMOs actually affected
everything. So I decided to go with GMOs and researched it more
and more and then eventually I just got so when took protesting
and got so into it. I started doing speeches for other people.
I listen to this and that it's it is brilliant. But it's not
right. In a number of ways, you're pushing a kid onto a
stage, who at a very young age has really been trained to do
this. And people find it difficult to confront a child
and it's this whole. This you know, and then people who are
who are on board with the, with whatever the child is pushing,
like, Yeah, this is what kids do a kid this kid's Great. Watch my
kid be like that. It's weird. And it's a little twisted and
sick. Who are the other people you're doing speeches for?
I actually go to schools, and I also do speeches at protests and
different conferences as well. Are you
I mean, the kids should be playing with Barbie dolls. It's
okay. You know, you can have a mission but you don't have to be
this prodigy. You know,
the line in there I do at a protest because you can just see
some little kid coming up that right wingers had a guy like
this was a little kid who was became it was a writer. And he's
actually pretty smart. But he was like, I think 12 And he'd go
into these, each go up to the podium. And it would be it would
the message was, if this little kid that knows this. You're so
smart. I mean, there's if they're a little kid, if I use
by the way, I have done the same trick with with people and
computers. I do it all the time. I say, Well, hey, you know,
somebody's bitching at me go. I can't get this to work. Similar
to the little lecture you just had a minute ago. I would my
thing was always, hey, if a 10 year old can do it, you can do
it. That is essentially what the message is here.
Yeah, but it's intangible, and that's okay to say it, but it's
not okay to push your kid to do
well, there's a couple of there's a couple of things here.
One, this is on a broadcast show. I believe this is an
extortion vehicle. As as they all are, Monsanto's not
advertising enough. Let's go.
Wait, let's let me play the other kid. I've got this is
straw boy. This is another one of my favorites. A young man
left a message for us the other day. Oh, wow. The kid sitting
around playing with his green army men and thinks I gotta call
up NPR. I gotta sit them straight.
Hi, I have some exciting news to report. Oh good is that my name
is Milo founder and spokesperson for an environmental
organization. And I live in Longmont. Governor Hickenlooper
just finally recognized my organization with a
proclamation. The name of my organization is be stress free.
Did you catch that? Bee straw free? 12 year old Milo Cress is
disturbed by how many drinking straws people use and toss.
I'm telling you, this has to stop people be straw free.
I don't know who they're extorting on that one. Straw.
Maybe they want to get them back into the game. I have no idea.
It's a
seven minute report. But that's not the point. Man is that seven
minutes on NPR?
Yeah. Clip of the Day hit it.
Oh, man, I wasn't I was not expecting that. Thank you. Hold
on. clip out.
Straw. Three
are. Our national treasure is crumbling, though, John.
How that's been going on since we began the show. Well, but it
got a little more
interesting this past week as Howard a Nell canal. The CEO who
just came in like a year and a half ago, quit. So this is their
I think their eighth CEO and through the years
it's rooms I don't know what's going on that this is their
lives. The story behind all
Yes, indeed. I think I've learned a couple of things.
Because because there was a speech that I saw an interview
that was done with him about a boot a year into his tenure at
the Harvard that was at the Nieman journalism bunch of hoity
toity dipshits who think they're all that in a bag of chips. By
the way. What is this is that the J school at Harvard?
There's a good one bag of chips and a bag of chips. I think that
came from my mom. Sounds English.
They all came from she was from New England, if that helps. All
down all that in the bag of chips. back so it was a Neiman
Is it the Nieman School of Journalism?
Did Harvard School of Journalism, the school of
journalism from Harvard doesn't sound right.
Exactly. And he was being interviewed and a couple of
things came out that was very interesting. I'm going to play
two of them. The one that I did the one clip I don't have
though, is that a five year I think was five years ago maybe
little another six years ago. Someone died some rich effort
died and Left npr $250 million. And I think that money is now
gone and and that's what the whole infrastructure was riding
on.
And then this bit they built a big new skyscraper. Yeah. Well,
though, yeah. Had the the closer of a rather nice offices and
build a skyscraper and they were spending money left and right
they had. They were Yeah, they were right. And hi.
So this Howard guy, Howard Nell guy, I think he figured it out.
But he found out a couple more things. I have two, two clips,
one real short one here. And this is this before the news of
him quitting. And here's something that I found
interesting to start off with.
So I think you got to just keep pushing at this stuff. I think
he just gotta keep trying, I think the audience is going to
demand more and more, maybe podcasts weren't the thing to do
podcasts are sort of peaking anyway, because it's all up in
the cloud now that you can pull down and I've been joking with
people that overweight Well, hold on Stop. What kind of logic
is this?
Well, remember, this is a guy who has no idea what he's
talking about. That's why I get but
But what even if he doesn't know what he's talking about? Where's
the logic of Oh, podcasts are dying? Because they're up in the
cloud? Well, you interact with that make them die? Well, I
mean, what's the connection is cloud. If you're in the cloud,
it comes as back to the people in the toxic fume.
Okay, I don't, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the answer. The
answer comes in two parts. So first of all, he's saying, Maybe
we shouldn't have done podcasts. And I know why he's saying that.
But I'm not going to tell you just now I'm going to well,
we'll let it sit for a second. But he goes into this, they're
up in the cloud, that is for a joke set up that he has, that is
the unfunny joke in the world, which we will now hear
anyway, because it's all up in the cloud now that you can pull
down and I've been joking with people that I think this was
part of Apple's plan to have Steve Jobs up there actually
controlling the whole thing.
What an asshole.
Wow, right? Bad.
Like not good material? No, what he figured out is that podcast,
and I'm going to take big credit for this now has actually ruined
their business. This is really, this is very exciting. And
there's a couple other things that have ruined that are
ruining the business, as you'll hear in this clip, where he
talks, just listen to him talk about what's happening with
their business model, tougher
question. And the biggest challenge, to be honest, much
more than federal funding as an issue is the digital disruption
of news and media. And my goal with my colleagues, like Kinsey,
Wilson, and other people, who are much smarter than I am about
seeing these things, is to take the public radio mission and
model and to transition it into a public radio mission and model
that will continue on in, in a change contextual world. So
you got to listen, you gotta listen to
that guy. You got to back it up, because he's like, I don't know
why even we don't, we don't
have to back it up. Because he's, he's leading up to saying,
it's just like confused logic.
Okay, there's a couple things. When you have a CEO of 100
million, or multi 100 million dollar corporation, who says
things like, well, I work with my colleagues, so and so who is
much smarter than I am? That's a red flag. You would never hear
Steve Jobs say, oh, even though it's true. Oh, you know that
that engineer over there is much smarter than I am this you this
is not the words of a CEO speak. No. And by the way, he went off
to the National Geographic Society to run that. Now, now
listen, because he's going to tell you that the model has
failed. But it comes out in a way that these these bozos don't
even know what's happening to him.
You have to be in things like connected cars. And for what,
for those of you don't know what that is, this is really about
all of the auto manufacturers are now basically embedding
internet radios into their cars.
This is good news for us, by the way, except is bad news for
them.
So if you watched, you know, if you watch a lot of shows with
car ads, right now, they're all about the information systems.
You know, it's Pandora and Google and has nothing to do
with the cars. It's kind of like they're gonna pour lattes for
you in your car. But it's all about information systems. And
so what we did is about a year ago, we hopped on this and did a
deal with Ford as our first partner.
There's your there's your little partnership, your little
fascistic partnership
to make sure that public radio and NPR had a voice activated
command in those cars. So if you come in, you can go Morning
Edition and it will pull up the last version of Morning Edition
at two o'clock in the app, two o'clock in the afternoon. Or if
you want to hear just science segments, you It will pull down
the last 10 Science segments that appeared on Morning. Only
in this is this is, I think the thing that was, to me the most
novel in this as you can sit in your car in Boston and ask for
programming from WBEZ in Chicago. So you can, if you can
both time travel and travel geographically across the
network.
Yeah. Which then creates all kinds of issues around the
business model. Exactly. Yeah, well, this is a problem they've
had since the get go. In fact, this is a problem you've noted
on the Dish Network and other places other these systems cable
systems can do it is that you can't In fact, they try to keep
you from doing it as best they can. But you know, it's
shoveling crap against the tide, because there's people if I'm
from Seattle, and I moved to San Francisco, and I have a dish
network connection, there's no reason in the world that they
can just give me the feed from the Seattle stations. It's very
doable. It's on the same bird. But they won't do it because
there's only because the stations Oh, god, you're gonna
kill us. But the other there's two arguments here, then maybe
you could shed some light on the confusion, because it's always
confused me. And like, I was like, I'm a station in Jersey.
I've got my rates. I got my local audience. I know
everything. I know my numbers. I know my local numbers. I know
everything. And I'm selling ads to these people and for the
local market, right? The cable companies so let's say cable,
let's say the Dish Network, let's say any of them. They
grabbed my signal the jersey signal from you know, w x x x,
and they send it all over the place that say bars Georgia, to
Texas or to California. The station will squawk about it.
Oh, why would the station squawk about it when it's giving their
advertisers? Three? Okay,
stop, stop. Okay, first of all, I am not going to talk about
Dish Network. I'm going to talk about NPR specifically because
that is what we're talking about is that if we have competition,
it's NPR. NPR if you turn on you, and so these are all local
stations, that the Corporation for Public Broadcasting or
whatever it is, as a company is a for profit company that sells
the ads, but really is managing all of the money before the you
know the the government money that they get some there's no
there's some corporate big time, you know, foundation stuff that
comes in. But that seems to be dwindling. And they order the
national programming. All these other stations are all locally
owned and operated. And they sell spots in a local market. If
you listen to NPR, you're not hearing very many national ads.
In fact, very, very few. And it's all advertising. So yes,
this No, no, no, no, no. Hear me out. I know this shit really?
Well, John,
I know I hear nothing but no, no, no, you will hear on
a national show, which is one of the because you have all these
small, locally produced programs, which are not national
ads. You will hear thanks the bill and gates, Bill and Melinda
Gates Foundation, you'll hear a couple a couple of other
foundation grants, people just like you, John, they're all
local ads, I'm telling you, it is 80% local ads on these
stations, except for the big shows that you might listen to
that Morning Edition, you might catch that or god forbid Car
Talk, then you'll have a couple of national ads, the majority of
what these stations run on their money, because they're not
getting anything from the from the National ads. They don't
have to pay for the programming to they get the free Morning
Morning Edition. And then there's national ads in there
and they get a spot open for their local ads. There is no
organization isn't NPR is not one big group. They're dead in
the water. Because the little guys can only sell local ads and
that's dwindling.
This is where you're supposed to say so I'm not
going to use the word so so so it's just blank.
They let's they are dead because they're you know, and then the
local guy your wants your money. The local guy wants to say
something
about your yakking away. Yeah, you're right. Okay. What you're
saying is that they can't stand competition.
When I'm saying you boil it down. No, that's not what I'm
saying what I'm saying that's what I'm not what you you asked
rhetorically. What I'm saying. Yeah, is that there is no longer
a need for broadcast networks. This is inherently against the
distribution method and ad networks that we are now
utilizing. There is no need. In fact, it is a dream mean on all
of the combined resources, where it used to be in a single in a
single distribution system where, where you have a license,
and you're the only one that can broadcast and with cable that
started to pilfer out a little bit, but it's still limited by
how many channels can be carried. And you know, and
channel number, etc, etc, bandwidth that made sense to be
rolled up into a network, it is the inverse now, which is the
only reason why we're going to hopefully survive, if we can
still get our emails through Gmail will be okay.
But the dead so sure if you take your logical argument to an
extreme, I'm not so sure it's good for anybody. Because what
it sounds like to me using what you said, and I'm not going to
argue the finer points of this because I think you're generally
correct. But if everything is going to consolidate into
national broadcasters that are taking only national ads,
because the local guys can compete with the quality of
those things, and I believe, by the way, this could happen to
education, especially online education, because if you can
take a history course from the best historian who really knows
his stuff, why would you take a course on some schlub? That's a
local guy. So let's let's start consolidating everything. Well,
that means you get you get completely trampled as a little
guy trying to even if you're competing, because you're gonna
get cut out? No. You're not gonna get you know, you say
what's great for us to be on the fort. They'll just, there's,
here's what happens. It happened with cable versus the
terrestrial, which is like, you had to pay to do it one way they
were doing you're doing everybody a favor with CCTV when
it began when cable Yeah, well, I'm doing you a favor. And then
next thing you know, and I'm charging you Yeah, I'm giving
you extra coverage, you're gonna have to pay me. And that's what
happened with the Time Warner.
I think they want more money. Yep, you're misunderstanding
something that is already happening in affiliate. If so if
you want to put if you want to syndicate a television show, and
you go to all the local affiliates, they're now saying,
oh, yeah, we'll take your show. You have to pay us to be on and
you can sell your own damn commercials. But I'm talking
about Internet distribution podcasts, like what we're doing
right now. That's where that's where the future is. But there's
never gonna we're never going to be rich. Never. Never ever, are
we going to be rich from this. It's okay. We'll get by. But
we're not going to be rich. But there's there is no stopping us
in this model, if you remove the advertising from it, but I think
all these other guys are fucked. They truly are.
They're totally hosed. There's no doubt about it. For a lot of
different reasons, I think yours is just one of many. But they
also just transcendence is really opening up the you know,
the wall what you
what you know, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying
smaller shows, I'm saying that the idea of a network with you
that is Dead is dead.
And no one doesn't make any sense for it to exist. If you
think about it. Yes. And
that's why the guys bailing. That's right. That's my point.
The guy's like, holy crap. This thing is coming down. I'm
bailing out. Funny how no one's reporting on it. All right. We
got a couple of tweets about the about Gibraltar.
Yeah, yeah. Did you look into it? Yeah, I did. What's going
on?
Well, it's really it's really simple. The Straits of
Gibraltar. Everyone, please go to maps.google.com Right now, I
want you to do, John, let's do that together. It's always fun
to do that. Okay. And this is something that's unfortunately
just isn't done. isn't done anymore. Okay, so maps that to
you. They're no really hard is that you can also go to
maps.yahoo.com If you
promise I put in naps, naps. naps.google.com. And there's no
apparently no initiative going on at Google to do that helps
people with naps.
All right, and then let's enter Gibraltar. Okay. All right. And
you'll have to zoom out a little bit. And what do we see what is
the striking
at a bunch of stuff in California Cafe Gibraltar.
Ventura, California. There's something called trips somebody
are taking trips and so I got I did not get to try
again. Try again. It should be it should be. Just like
Gibraltar. It's I actually put
straight so Joe snowing at the straits cafe in San Jose. This
is great as Google. I got straits Cafe Singapore, I got
straits cafe in Palo Alto. So straight to Gibraltar doesn't
work. Let's see. What else could I do? Because your browser
doesn't work and strange. It keeps me in California. And I'm
not even signed in just to
Gibraltar and don't be so just get there. Get there already, or
answered this question to me Look, and I'm like what is it
what is the significance of the Strait of Gibraltar what happens
there?
Oh, I'm sure oil tankers go through.
Well look at what does it connect? Nevermind, I'm young,
you should I'm looking at it. You're playing dumb with me, the
Straits of Gibraltar, which is between the southern part of
Spain and the northern part of Casablanca, which is a British
protectorate. It doesn't belong to Spain, the Brits, and this
has been an ongoing dispute for centuries since 1700s. It
connects the Atlantic Ocean with the Mediterranean. So if you
need to get a warship in there, I don't know like a Russian
warship. Or if you need to get some males, because you're going
over to you know, Northern Africa, Libya, Egypt is real,
you know. Okay, so
what's your point? What, what
what is what is happening right now in the Straits of Gibraltar,
WarGames, with British warships, they're positioning their
position
to take over
Gibraltar, they already own no getting in there, because the
war is going to be in the Mediterranean.
You're you're predicting a war. So you think that this action in
Gibraltar is
there's Russian subs already in the Mediterranean Sea, the only
other place they can go, which is why the US is still providing
aid to Egypt, is through the Suez Canal. So there's only
really two ways in you got to have both of them. So remember,
this is all about British and American Oil and Gas interests.
So they're putting all their chips there and the Russians
aren't there with their subs? This is big. Yeah, yeah, I'll
say fine. I'm looking at the map. So Gibraltar's this little
dot, that sitting there that's got nothing to do with it. It's
not even the closest thing to the straight itself, which is
terrifying.
But who runs who runs the streets? Gibraltar is its own
its own state, essentially. But if you look at the history of
Gibraltar, which is, you know, it's been a protected of the use
of the of the Brits. This is all about controlling the access to
what goes in and comes out of the Straits of Gibraltar for the
forthcoming crap that is going down, that would probably won't
even be reported on.
Well, we've seen plenty of that. All right,
then. And we have Russian submarines, now in the
Mediterranean Sea. And we have the largest gas deposits found
ever All right, they're in the Mediterranean, Cyprus, Greece,
Turkey. Now this is this is this is all a part of a bigger game.
It is not just so when you're reading something about
Gibraltar, and I would quite frankly, I was also like, just
like, look that whatever Gibraltar gives a crap. I don't
know what's going on there. Is that near Marbella, where people
go on vacation? But then when you see that there's warships
there now?
Yeah, but let's say Gibraltar was taken over by the Spanish.
Would that make any difference? With the Spanish Co Op? Just
we're cutting it off?
What What if it was finished?
You're on the same side.
Here, but what if? So what if really, if Spain melts down into
disarray? Well, that could happen, which could happen at
any time and they're even talking about the southern half
of Spain, reverting back to Africa. Then what No, no, I
think you do not want you want to preempt that by setting up
your big ass ships, right? They're saying hey, whatever
happens you know, we're here and we're holding down the fort
literally. And don't forget you have the other side which is
Morocco. That's all Africa. That's a whole different world
there.
Well, now I'm going to keep looking into this there's
something there definitely is action going on there. That's
for sure. Action
is ships at sea. Ships at sea, my friend. And it is the same
with the I'm convinced that the Suez Canal that that's the only
reason we haven't you know, withdrawn from Egypt is just
just to keep just to keep that. And we can't we can't say Oh,
well, nevermind, Egypt, screw you, and then just have the Suez
Canal fall into whoever's hands. The what the Muslim Brotherhood.
You want them running the Suez Canal.
Nobody wants them. Nobody wants anyone besides our side right.
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or movement for oneness and jihad in West Africa. Their
comments were carried by the nuke chat Information Agency,
the NIA, ma Rishi and site previously used by Bell, MK dar
to convey messages. So he's back. And the two groups said
they have decided to, quote confront the Zionist campaign
against Islam and the Muslims, by uniting jihadist from the
Nile to the Atlantic spanning all of Northern Africa. This is
good stuff for a fairy tale,
a tall fairy tale, but who was the guy that they killed, they
said was muck tar,
there was there was a guy who reported
that on this show, about a year ago,
but he's he's been killed a couple times, I think on this
show. It's fun. It's fun.
So that's Egypt. That's Egypt. And then, of course, we have
good news, all aboard trains, planes bad. Now, although it's
not really a big airline, I'm going to give it to you as a red
book entry. Samaha air has started charging as passengers
by the pound as you predicted.
Thank you very much.
Yes, Red Book. by John C. Dvorak airline generally fly smaller
aircraft. So you know, there's that. But passengers and their
luggage will now be weighed together to determine how much
they're going to be paying.
What airline is this? SAMOA air? Oh, for God's sake. Have you
ever seen a Samoan? Yeah, that.
That's now you mentioned it. No wonder.
Yeah, they had to do that.
But it was a red book prediction. And this is just the
start. And now it'll be used as a model moving forward,
at least as a precedent you know, although the precedent is
pretty dubious, some Samoa Hi, guys, how are you? Hey, go Oh,
man. All right. Well, I got something. Yeah. Roll it,
brother. Let's see. Oh, well, there's this. So I got to watch.
Al Jazeera America. Oh,
yes. I saw. Now they're not on my cable system.
A lot of people have rejected it. But they're on the Dish
Network. Okay, this is a promotion for the Dish Network
this show was send them a copy of the show saying hey, did you
see
Did you see the opening of the of the item see that very, very
opening. But I watched the domain shows I have been one of
us supposed to have Soledad O'Brien. And she hasn't even to
got really, I had that.
Girl, I have a clip of that did something really good because I
know they had kind of this bombastic opening of we're
great. We have
a million IQ all that stuff. Did you see that? I'm showing that
throughout the day,
the one with the head Hillary and McCain in there. I missed
that we played this for you. With a rich mix of content from
home and around the world, Al Jazeera America's journalistic
integrity knows no borders delivering broadcast excellence
across news, documentary and current affairs. She agreed to
give his entire medical files to AlJazeera for this exclusive
investigation, using his close to the paramedics cut off.
It is really effective. And in fact, viewership of Al Jazeera
is going up in the United States because it's real news connects
the world to America and Americans to the world.
What else is your has done is achieved something that all of
us I think want to achieve, and that is to make a contribution.
They have pulled those to context and made it sound like
they're promoting AlJazeera which I think is just illegal
by the way,
but doesn't matter.
Applause Good job. Good job by we had that clip of Hillary
saying that and find it fun or rather baffling. But
yeah, but she was she was three years ago. Yeah, but she was not
saying it to promote AlJazeera she was saying, you know, saying
we need to get better propaganda than them is what she was saying
pretty much time. But anyway, so I'm watching this I do have a
short clip because they did do one thing they tried to go after
try play the Haiti clip and just listen to the intro and listen
to the sound. It's a very, it's not a very good sound.
Well, 1000s were killed and 10s of 1000s made sick by the
cholera epidemic that swept through Haiti two years ago. The
sign Typically, evidence seems pretty conclusive.
The strain appears to have come from a United Nations
peacekeeping base. But the UN has refused to even consider
compensating the victims. Wait a minute. So these guys like are
taking our show notes. And then, you know, from two years ago and
turning it into programming,
well, there's that. But they did they did they do a little
better, because they have this one guy who actually becomes a
stalker, with banky moon. So he tracks him down. Because he goes
to Haiti. They did. There's money here and this AlJazeera
operation compared to what we get a tongue, it's tons of
money. And so the guys flies to Haiti, and he flies here, and he
flies there. And then he reports the whole thing from San
Francisco. Where is it a bar. Anyway, he's goes to New York to
go because he shows all these sad stories of people with
cholera. And they also mentioned in this piece, it's very long
piece, but it's very, very interesting that Hades never had
cholera in its history. And so they track it down this UN guy,
so the UN refuses to take responsibility. So he goes in
New York and tracks down banky Moon tracks him down. He gets to
ambush we weren't
able to do that. That's kind of can't afford
it. We do it. Yeah, of course. Yes. I mean, Ban Ki Moon goes
on. Oh, no, I think it's fine. If you've got any more
questions, talk to my the attorneys of the UN. So then he
gets on the phone, he tries to call them and they all
stonewalled. They won't talk to him. So he goes and tracks down
banky moon again finds him a second time corners him and he's
got two bodyguards with him. And the one bodyguard you know, he
says, Well, you just said to call these guys they won't take
my call. And but one by big body guy holds them back. It says
hey, we've talked enough to you and they strong arms the guy so
they very revealing was very good. But here's the problem
with the show. It's for one thing of course it's you know,
they just started but think they've dropped a bunch of
feeds, they go to a sci fi that's dead and the sound is
very
amateur amateur. It's no there's no compression. It sounds really
compression. It doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like a
network show at all. It sounds like it's settled and she'll say
picked up on the sound. I said this sounds like local and then
I started looking at the presentation. It looks kgvo
Channel Seven in San Francisco is better is better. It's got a
better presentation. It's got a better sound. It's got better
lighting than this has got a really cheap sound they don't
have a good sound I
really want to watch this I'm upset that you can't get a
streaming and and Time Warner doesn't carry it. Now tell me
this because by
the way, by the way, at&t said it refuses to carry meaning that
they're pulling an extortion stunt if they all of a sudden
start carrying course of course it's all it's all government
allowing this extortion well hold on a
second. This is you know, if you want to be carried then you have
to pay this is how it works. And the only reason Current TV was
on cable systems at all is because they bought an outfit
that had the certified slots they'd already pre paid and I'm
pretty convinced that this is why Gore decided to sell first
of all you had a buyer for any you gotta buy or for anything
piece of crap like that you gotta go go go sell now,
particularly the reported 100 million, which I don't believe I
don't either. And so that, you know, these contracts are
running out. And it's expensive, you know, you got to pay one at
least $1 per subscriber so it's very, very expensive to keep
something on the air like this with no real revenues and is now
it's just a propaganda machine. And these guys ATT Uverse by the
way, you know, it's just, it's, you know, they have 5 million
subscribers Big whoop. And they have every right to say, oh,
yeah, you want to be on our system pass like everybody else.
That is the model which is now also falling apart. My question
for you. Is Young Turks still on? Did they carry over any of
that programming carried
over? Nothing is all those guys are out of business? Yeah. Well,
Young Turk made his move chunk, chunk made his move to to online
at least six months ago. He had moved to show Yeah, forget
it. Forget it's not going to work because it's just not going
to work I've seen
the reason it's not going to work, in my opinion is because
they still have TV overheads, even though it's cable. Yeah,
it's not true network TV overhead.
It's worse than that. Now it's worse and I'll tell you why. So
they're there. They I've seen it because I went looking for him.
I didn't see anything on the aja. But I did see their young
turks site and they're saying, you know, get a subscription for
$10 So they're not giving anything away. You can get a
subscription and then you can for $10 a month now this mate
maybe maybe maybe would work for chunk himself who I'm sure you
know, has now started to live a lifestyle of a guy on TV, even
cable TV, you're doing 180 Maybe $200,000 A year and now you're
living in Jersey wherever he lives you're driving in I know
this life. But then all sudden you got to go to the online
poverty model. And it gets a little tougher. And the thing is
he can't pay for the crew. And these other people they all want
they don't want to eat too. You know, he's got these Chickies on
and his roundtable and they're gonna walk away.
No, I'm preaching to the choir on this one. Yeah, they won't
work the model for making money on the internet in this in a
broadcast, like, scenario. Like what we're doing requires
absolute minimalism.
Yes. I'm not even wearing clothes.
We're not going to New York to track down Bunky moon, we're
only have a huge staff of people. We don't have a bunch of
hot chicks that are badnera eyes, we got none of that, which
would have studios, we're doing it this is the way it has to be
done.
This, the studio has, when you when the cicadas cranking you
hear them on the air
here when the train goes by?
That's right. We don't have studios. I forgot about that.
And so he right and fake we every once in a while because we
do a very professional production as far as I'm
concerned. And we try and everyone's above his head, well,
gee, I will Google you go to work for your operation. I said
we don't. It's not going to happen. It's just not going to
happen. We don't if we had one employee that was more than just
a part timer that does the spreadsheet and keeps Garrett
and sends the rings out? Yeah, we'd be out of business.
Let me put it this way. If we didn't have our model, which is
is not a subscription model, we decided early on to take the
show, please enjoy. And if it gives you value, then consider
giving us some value back if we didn't have guys like Mr. Oil,
and get mostly leave, you know, and void zero, you know,
couldn't afford the back office, just the bandwidth alone would
put us out of business. We wouldn't be able to do it. We
can't afford to do this show. Now that's let me write that one
down. One we can afford to do this show. Yeah, that's very
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another note I want to read, which is an anonymous note came
in and this is just worth reading because it's
interesting. Last month, I attended the Tennessee regional
debut of Pandora's premise in Knoxville, Tennessee. And I have
he sent a little flyer which he wants me to send to you. The
film was followed by a live discussion panel of nuclear
power experts that commented on the film and took questions from
the audience. The panel, pretend this is
Oh, I know I have this. I have this video. It was really
outstanding, actually. Yeah, well
listen to this. The panel participants included scientists
from nearby Oak Ridge, the University of Tennessee and
representatives of TVA and US enrichment Corporation have
enclosed the flyer shows everyone included, the panel was
uninteresting. Until the last question when a woman asked how
the nuclear industry could do a better job of informing the
public of the real benefits and risks of nuclear power. The head
of nuclear r&d at all our NL immediately responded quote, I
do not have as strong of a perception that there is an anti
public negative thing about nuclear. I'm glad I stuck around
for that jam. Yeah, I have that. I believe it's probably true.
These guys are clueless.
I actually have a couple of pieces from this guy are Jun
McKee, Johnny. He's the guy that started the word 30 times the
cesium or the strontium in the water. We're all going to die
from Fukushima. Oh, yeah. Right. So I found art nights or atomic
Rod had done an interview with him several months ago when this
guy came out with his latest book, which is how these guys
work. And right after we, you know, we don't have to. I mean,
we only have one birthday. Do you really want me to play the
music and everything for
let's do the music birthday. We have no night we have one
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chance. There's a better yes. Like it's like going to Vegas.
So that's actually there were there were two things. I think
because the President came out with his big energy plan, a
couple wasn't now two months ago, maybe maybe two and a half
months ago. And it included, you know, obviously, you know, gas
and solar and wind and there was a provision for nuclear there
was actually quite a few pages. And I think that now has to be
completely wiped off the map, which is why you're seeing all
of a sudden, all of these really scary things about Fukushima
there was something else that had that happened, which was
clearly a planted anti nuclear strategy. And I would say I'm a
fan of nuclear the new breeder technology, you know, there's
almost there is no waste. I mean, that makes no sense. The
reason why it's not going to happen is because it makes no
financial sense because no one can rape and pillage of Africa
to go and get the stuff that we need. So this paper comes out
from UT right here in the backyard. And this was a working
paper I'm reading from the paper itself the papers called nuclear
proliferation prevention project the N P P P working paper number
one, protecting us nuclear facilities from terrorist
attack, reassessing the current design basis threat approach,
and this is done by primarily Lera Kirkman, a graduate
research assistant at the NPP P, supplemented with editing and
contributions by Professor Alan J. Cooperman coordinator of the
NPP is prepared as part of a larger into this pulmonary study
at the University of Texas at Austin for the Office of the
Secretary of Defense. So it's kind of like a research paper.
And in this paper that you're the introduction, and then we go
on to threats and consequences, and that so it lists the threats
of nuclear and number one theft of nuclear weapons. And there's
a whole thing about 5000 active inactive nuclear warheads. And
then we have the new scroll down, we've got theft of S and
M, nuclear materials suitable for use in weapons. And then we
scroll down now our Page Six almost, and let's see we have
sabotage of reactors. And this is an example of the news report
based upon this paper by a graduate student at UT,
spread across the country 100 Working nuclear reactors. 160
million Americans live within 50 miles of 126 big cities from
Boston to New York, Chicago to Omaha, New Orleans to San Diego.
Now, researchers say those reactors remain vulnerable to
attack from a hijacked jetliner, a boat sitting off the coast, or
an organized ground attack
now. So this is all from this research paper is that this news
report, terrorists could create a meltdown in reactor in a
matter of minutes. But the SWAT teams would arrive after about
an hour and a half.
This is fantastic. commissioned by the Pentagon, the University
of Texas report suggests more needs to be done to guard
against a 911 scale attack. The former director of the National
Counterterrorism Center says it will be far more difficult today
to hijack a plane and nuclear reactors and
let me just get this straight. So the Pentagon commissioned a
report so they paid for it, they commissioned a report at the UT
the UT professor took the money had his graduate students write
this report, it's a crazy little PDF and even has little mushroom
cloud at the top there with I'm not kidding you. It has little
mushroom, it's in the show notes. You can see it and and
from that, then they turn around and turn it into a news report
that we're all going to die unless we make sure the Pentagon
protects us from terrorism. That's the system. And that is
going to be the new anti nuclear talking point, as is witnessed
by I'm trying to find this guy had him this Zune. What's his
face? And he is the one that started this whole crap, how
come I don't have while he's, he's been on a couple of network
shows talking about this. The strontium in the water there at
Fukushima is 30 times, you know, the recommended dosage. And we
already kind of debunked that on the previous show that that is
such a fraction of what you get in radiation in general. Now, I
don't know much about nuclear, but there is so little
contrarian messaging and information getting out there.
There's just all these pico Curies and micro serviettes, and
all this crap and it sounds really, really scary. But when
you get down to it, these guys who are pretending to be or
maybe are nuclear experts, they are anti nuclear, all of them.
And they're the ones that get on, get on TV. And you know, and
guess who's sponsoring all this stuff. So here's an alternative,
by the way, just as a crack potty kind of thing. I would
suggest that maybe these would are one of our anonymous
producers who went to this presentation of Pandora's
Promise with a bunch of these experts. And one of them says
there's no anti nuke anything going on. I don't know what
you're talking about. It's possible that the even this is
being presented in an anti nuke fashion.
I totally I you know, yes. I when I saw Pandora's Promise,
the first thing I said was someone got in there, and they
fucked it all up. And they and they made it really
questionable. It was it was so important. We talked about that.
We had a whole Yeah, I remember when you saw it. This is a while
back. So here's this
our June guy and and he actually has a foundation of which the
foundation getting of course is a 5013 C Corp. So we have no
idea where the money's come from. But he raises about
$600,000 a year he pays himself 300,000 He pays his wife 75,000
And that's his foundation. So it's a nonprofit and and this is
the kind of stuff he talks about so here he is with atomic rod
now I don't think he knew that a Tom he just thought it was doing
some podcast with some atomic guy which is kind of funny. And
but rod of course you know, he ran nuclear submarine
rod did Tomic rod post this in the yes yeah, it's well, this is
episode one has been posted. So we're not listening to a private
conversation on the podcast is gonna give us the litany.
Yeah, this is a podcast but the guy I don't think he under stood
where Rod was coming from Rod was on a nuclear sub for 20
years. And he works at a big nuclear nuclear company was
trying to produce, as far as I'm concerned, backyard nukes,
although that's not what he's doing. But that's what I want
him to do.
Yeah, I wish he would. And it'd be great to have a place up in
the mountains with a well, and then a nuke in the backyard, and
it'd be great. You'd have it made forever. Yeah, you don't
even have to do it. You want to be hooked to anything completely
off the grid. I'm spending
600 bucks a month here in Austin on electricity.
Yeah, did you get right what is the back yard nook? sell for? I
think they're like, I think you can get one for like 50 grand or
so the
problem is the zoning, John. I was gonna know. Well, if you
don't tell anybody. Well, anyway, let's listen to this
guy. So here's this guy who was calling him to be an expert on
all the shows. And his spouting off this, you know, these
numbers, which sounds scary when you say 30 times the recommended
dosage for your drinking water. But it's really a you know, a
10th of a percent of what you get on an annual basis anyway.
And here's his here he is just saying that he just hates
nuclear.
I for I work every day for nuclear safety. Because I know
even though I don't like nuclear power, particularly, the or at
all,
or at all, he doesn't like it at all. And he's the expert in
nuclear. So he's always presented it
doesn't like it at all the experts
because he writes books about
like, a guy is a wine taster. You know, I hate wine. But your
beers are Merleau Blanda you
can I hate Marlowe's. Yeah,
it makes no sense.
So but but I'll play as a little bit more of this. But I figured
out what these guys are really pushing for. It's, it's quite
interesting.
We do have it. And even if we stopped all our reactors, we'd
still have spent fuel pool safety problems for decades to
come. So we need we actually need to make sure we won't have
an accident. We need safety systems here that are very
rigorous. And we need a real regulation system regulatory
system that's actually attending to all of these things.
So what what what happened to a spent fuel pool that has saved
fuel that's been out of the reactor for
days. Now, here's rod who knows everything about nuclear safety,
he's setting the guy up, it's pretty funny. He's like, okay,
so this horrible, because this is what you hear about the spent
fuel rods and they're gonna, Vic terrorists blows it up,
everything will melt down to be horrible. So here's a guy who
actually knows what can happen, versus a fear monger who writes
books and takes money in a nonprofit way to scare people
into using a gas, I guess, 18 months, and the water suddenly
disappeared. From the
end, if you read the Brookhaven report, you'll see that there's
a whole range of outcomes with the with with accidents, damages
in the event of a fire ranging from under a billion dollars to,
as I said, a billion dollars. So
this is important these rods saying that the key point here,
okay, how would the fire start? So okay, yeah, the nuclear rods
might be a problem, but you need to have a fire, how would the
fire start?
Start, the fire starts when the water is drained, and there's
some very hot fuel in it. Now. You know, if all the fuel is
very cool, and the fuel is very separated, which is what we've
been advocating, then you probably won't have a fire and
you won't have severe consequences. But if we have
spent fuel pools like Vermont Yankee, which has 40 years where
the spent fuel jammed into one spent fuel pool, more spent fuel
than all the four Fukushima stricken reactors put together,
and you're putting hot and spent fuel in it, when you withdraw
it, if you have an accident close to that time or a
terrorist attack, you could have a pretty devastating fire. So
here's the messaging. So we have these new reactors with four
times the amount of Fukushima just to give you a frame of
mind, and if we have a terrorist attack, Why yes, then we can
have a problem. Unlike a terrorist attack on Oh, I don't
know, AV gas fuel depots and airports, tankers, you know,
this is this is bullsh shell refinery.
Thank you. No one ever talks about that. But you so the new
narrative is going either
way. I've always believed that oil refiners are the least
protected of all these things and you get one of those things
blowing up. You got a mess on your hands. Nothing happens you
know, there is no tear that monetarism does actually, in
this continent is next to nothing. Yeah, except for the
guys that are the idiots that are set up by the FBI.
But the problem that we're seeing now is you've got the the
movement against against nuclear is taking. I mean now we have
like In the alternative media is duped is 100% being duped into
this, and we are alternative thinking and conspiratorial by
nature. I'll admit that right off the bat. Because of that
this is being played into to say, Oh, they're they're keeping
secrets about Fukushima, there's a cloud coming, the cloud
radiation is going to kill you, we're all going to die. It's
just
a cycle on that, too.
What do you mean the cycle
is Fukushima is going to blow any minute, you know, every so
often this crops back into the conversation. It's
those standards back right now. And that's because the money's
being spent. Money's being made available for the President's
plan of action. And oh, and by the way, that fracking thing,
not working out, so well. Have you have you been looking at the
financials, John? No, I haven't although fracking was supposed
to be you know, turn us into the new OPEC, but but this stuff is
not working. It's the wells you know, it's like oh, well, it's
not really you know, BP and Shell Yeah, shell they're
closing down some stuff and you know, the big fracking companies
are losing money How can you have a natural fossil fuel
company and lose money?
That makes no sense. Yes, like owning a casino.
How can you lose money on that? This makes no sense. But here's
what these guys like this room guy. Here's what they really
want.
I don't I didn't actually talk a lot about demand management and
carbon free nuclear free I feel I should listen to
what demand management this is very interesting demand
management talk more
about it, but since I certainly have demand management can mean
a lot of different things. So it can mean like what I do with my
my contract with my electric utility allow I allow them at
most a dozen times a year to turn off my air conditioner for
a couple hours a day on the hottest days. What
demand management he allows his electricity provider to turn off
his air conditioning for a couple of hours on the hottest
days. What is that the future for us is the elect This is the
smart grid by the way, the the electorate will be able to on
the hottest day when you want it the most the most, they're going
to turn it off
that's actually curtailment of service
curtailment of service and these are good words write them down
demand management, curtailment of services Shut up slave
wherever.
There are lots of ways of demand management with in an
intelligent grid. And that's why I said today we can do it 30
years ago, I don't think it was would have been possible. Today
you can build a refrigerator that can talk to the utility. Do
you care when the defrost cycle in your freezer is operating?
Yes. You don't. You don't know when it happens. I don't know
when it happens. And I don't care what happens if I set a
dishwasher to operate now unless I'm having a party and want to
override
I love that. You need an override switch on your
dishwasher because
I'm having a party. This takes me back to the promise. Where is
my internet fridge that is going to automatically order the milk
for me. This is how your demand machine is gonna call
the repairman yeah this is bullshit washer
from operating when there's plenty of wind I don't care when
the dishwasher operates. The I
Do I Do I Do Of course I care when it operates I want it to
operate when I'm asleep. So when I wake up in the morning it's
done
or the clothes washing machine operator I care about that to my
my wife she loves to wash you can't be turning it off and say
no washing for you Miss Miki when we she actually she loves
she really she loves washing it's really true. So
you can have an intelligent grid without any curtailment of
service at reasonable cost. Do we have it today? No. Today the
total amount of communication between consumers and producers
as represented by our on off switches.
So we're gonna have all these on off switches. So here's here's
so the future we could have. What I believe is that the
future we need is very affordable. Once you have it I
think once it's in place, I think nuclear is very affordable
because you get like this little football sides of stuff and it
just runs and you don't even have to have huge grids you know
you could have a one nuke in the backyard and power a whole
neighborhood and then everyone could you know could turn on
their washing machine whenever they wanted and it wouldn't be
burning stuff you know fossil fuel dirty crap in the air
instead of that we're going to have more crap we're gonna have
gas we're gonna have still have coal which by the way kills 6000
people a year just miners trying to get the coal and we're going
to be turned into slaves a to pay for it. Now I'm already
paying 600 A month here in Austin for two people, two
people for electricity. And it's going to be demand management
and curtailment of services.
Yeah, when you need the services, so, yeah.
So this is slavery. And the alternative media you write is
on this cycle and they're being sucked into it with this stupid
like, we're not being told they're keeping things. This
it's it's a ruse. It's a farce.
It's not fun at the PR agents, agencies behind this. This is
good stuff.
Well, but the it's the big companies, man, these guys are
huge. Well, the Iran guy, his form nine, nine, he lists
nothing but he's just one of these. You get a guy who was
Indian and you know, he writes a book, boom, he's your guy. You
know, we need some kids. Look for the kids now. Anti nuke
kids. Yeah. All about gas. You watch. But this is this is the
these are the biggest. I think these are. These are so huge,
John. And then I found this. I found this great. This is really
funny. So now we have you were the one who taught us about the
global cooling in the 1970s. Right, right. Because you were I
mean, I was around in the 70s. But yeah, I witnessed it. Yeah,
I was like playing with GI Joe and the bra was
gonna die.
Okay, so here's what's on NBC sounding the alarm a leaked
report about the danger happening all around us tonight.
The key finding in this leaked draft report is that it's quote
extremely likely as in greater than 95%. That human activity is
the main cause of the planet's temperature rise in the last 60
years. At the top of the world and Arctic Greenland scientists
like Dr. Jason box, study the icy landscape. He says all this
might be lost to climate change, mostly caused by humans burning
fossil fuels.
There's no debate, no debate, it's really quite simple. No
debate overloaded the atmosphere with heat trapping gas and the
rest are just details.
Aqua clean, gay says melting ice. Notice people struggled to
reach traditional hunting grounds. Some have even fallen
through the thinning ice and
fallen through ice
was my favorite. The ice is getting thinner you fell through
and
you're saying that a way of life is so threatened by his message
essentially, is that we in the industrialized world are using
more than our fair share than our fair share, and our
grandchildren will pay the price
and curry so very sobering, very sobering. And I think we should
just go all nook. So first of all, and curry I denounce you
from using my last name. You are no longer you can call yourself
whatever you want. But not curry This is didn't you denounced. So
ever since we kind of started this topic. And I have to say,
since the invention of bit message where people feel very
comfortable at sending me messages. You can find my bitten
message, address on my blog dockery.com. I got this great.
And this is from March this year. Dr. Don Easterbrook. Have
you ever heard of this guy? Sounds familiar. Dr. Don
Easterbrook is an actual professor. And he testified in
front of the let me just get this. I want to say it properly.
The Washington Senate, the Committee on the cmte. So what
does that that's Committee on Energy Environment? Whatever.
Yeah. And he this guy, and you have to watch his videos in the
show notes. Of course, it's under climate gates slash agenda
21. And I have three little clips from him, which is just
fantastic. What what he's putting in here. So here he is.
What's this guy's name again? Easterbrook, Dr. Don
Easterbrook, Dr. Don rose. So his entire thing is the the the
climate data has been manipulated by NASA and NOAA.
And what they do is he says that they're the it was hotter in
1930. And there were more heat records broken. In fact, it is
he is a proponent of global cooling. And he
show Yeah, I think he's one of the guys that goes back to the
70s was born in 1935. Is Yeah, he's been around the 70s. So
here, here he is explaining how there were more records in the
30s. Then now and then we're going to get into Senator
rancor, who was really pissed off about this guy testifying
and his committee warmer. And so they come up with a headline
saying, Oh, it's warmer now than it was in this was the original
data before they manipulated.
What they've manipulated the data, you'll see that if we take
the top, top 10 Number 219 34 Three was 1939 floors 1931 Try
was 1936 was 1933, semer 1938. And guess what they're all in
1930s.
They called the Dust Bowl because of this. That's
right, the hottest decade of the century, not to present. That's
the last decade. But the hottest half century owls are here and
you look at all these 2000. These are all second year 1011.
So he's showing the top 20 years essentially in the top 10 are
all in the 30s. And the and this past year, two years, is all in
the the 10 through 2020.
This is what the present temperature has been doing. And
it's nowhere close to the to the other. And if you plot that
data, this is what it looks like. This is a number of
temperature records that were broken in any given year. These
are years down here. So here we are right here. And now we're
breaking somewhere around 2000 records, temperature records for
warms. And you think Wow, 2000, that's a lot. But look at what
it was doing in 1936. In 1934 10,000. We are we are
setting a record highs at a rate of about only a fourth of those
that occurred in the 1930s.
Now when you when you see this data laid out, it becomes
apparent what they're doing. Because you can have the hottest
August 22 at 4pm in history. But that doesn't mean that August 23
will be the record because that that record probably lies back
in the 30s. So it's so manipulative, that he now
explains this, how this data has been manipulated and Senator
rancor, it who is Democrat is Russo on board with this climate
stuff. He can't believe what he's hearing and is getting
picked by everybody.
Just put out in your slide, because contrary to the data
that I have before me, so I'm just curious if what you're
basing your metadata on where your samples are taken from? And
then also what's your opinion of the data that I have before me,
which seems contrary to what you're putting forward?
I don't know that it's contrary and what would I what I just
said a moment ago, was that I'm showing you the original data.
And what you're looking at is a data that has been tampered with
by NOAA on by NASA and I could I could show you a curves of what
that data look like in 1936, what it looked like in 1980,
what it looked like in 1990 and 2000. And the temperatures, the
high temperatures, the 1930s get cooler every year, they put out
a new issue. And the temperatures that are in the
2000 plus get warmer because they have they have frankly
tampered with the data. That's the difference between what
you're looking at when I'm looking at minus original data.
One quick follow up Mr. Chair, National Science Foundation,
NASA and NOAA have manipulated the data. Yes, that's true. I
can show you that. There's no steam coming out of the guy's
head. I'm I'm not saying that they have done something which
is scurrilous and evil. What I'm saying simply is something that
everybody will agree on. And that is that they have what they
call adjusted, the data adjusted. And if you look at how
they have adjusted, the 1930s always get lower because of the
adjustments they made from the original data. And the 2000 Plus
always get warmer. So this of course completely blows out the
thing. What is the President said time and time again, John,
get everybody agrees climate change is a problem.
The hottest, 12 years on record. Yeah, everybody says
Orcas Island is a total douchebag. But I can see him
being all in on this. So let's
let's hear him spit this back. On the end. Of course, there's
only one, there's only one thing you can throw at a guy like
they're short, they're like little punctuation marks here
and there. They don't persist. They're not a factor. They give
you a one year or two years back and they're gone. Okay, so in
the follow up, and this gets back to the data I have before
me, which seems again, contrary but so you're talking about a
trend, particularly over the last decade, maybe 15 years of
cooling yet what I have before me is that 2000 to 2012 was the
warmest 12 year period in instrumental record. In other
words, since we've been recording heat of the planet and
what we're in the last 12 years, we're the hottest on record. And
that's peer reviewed data that I have before me. And so the
question to you is, is is that because what I'm looking at is,
has been manipulated by NASA and NOAA and the National Science
Foundation, or what's the difference here? Because we
obviously have conflicting information before us, right? I
don't know what your data is or where it came from. I can't
answer that. Specifically, why is different? What I can tell
you is that the data that I'm showing you is original data,
and as I've just shown you the 1930s were warmer, warmer decade
than the past decade. If you use original data, that's what I'm
telling you. And if you have something as different than that
my I guess would be, although without knowing what your data
is, I can't say for sure is probably there just as
manipulated data by NOAA, NASA, or they sub subunit of NASA
deals with climate. And what they do is they make what they
call adjustments to their data, the net effect of which is to
make the earlier warm periods like the 1930s. Cooler and raise
the temperature of the last decade artificially, not from
the original data minus original data. Is this a conspiracy?
Conspiracy so I have no comment on that. I'm simply in this guy,
so I don't I don't have enough time to play all the great stuff
he's taught he says co2 can never be responsible for global
warming. He explains that with really simple simple charge. He
said, it's such an infant decimal small amount of our
atmosphere, it can't be trapping anything's it's all bull crap.
And it was nice. No one Dr. Don eastbrook. Cuz he will be dead
soon. That's for sure. Making way making way too much sense.
He's very entertaining. Please go to the show notes. 541 dot na
shownotes.com under climate gate slash agenda 21. It's just
funny. It's really It's lovely. I really, really enjoy. And this
guy yeah, he's like, I got no dog in the sun. I don't give a
crap I have no political affiliations. I just have the
data.
That's all I just got the fax and the you know, you guys can
say whatever you want.
And but he really says it's getting colder. And he has a
chart that you know that he says the winters are getting much
colder. Because please ignore that snowing in England in
London. Just please ignore that Russia. You know, like hundreds
of people died and it was freezing. 40 below and please
ignore all that. Yeah. It's just like, wow.
So I ran into a similar character this ret John
Rappaport, you should look him up in the Wikipedia is an old
investigative journalist. Yeah, I remember him. Yeah, he's like
70 something. And he was on some podcast. And it was interesting,
because he essentially has got to know he doesn't have as many
little no agenda lit knees in his armor or in his ammo. But
he's got the same ones we have. He said you Snowden works for
the CIA. The whole thing is part of a, you know, a fight between
the agencies. Now,
is this his own podcast? Or no, he
was, you know, he writes a blog. He's pretty thorough, I
want I want to follow him to you, somebody
brought up brought him into a podcast. And then he talks
about, you know,
peak, John, that's all over podcast.
He's got the same thoughts on the swine flu, pretty much every
single thing. But he has a couple of interesting metas that
are actually one of them. It's kind of bothersome, because it's
like, well, we probably knew this, but we didn't quite know.
But he discusses how news is used as mind control. And he
goes into these, all these, these things that he doesn't
have a number of are, are kind of the insights of certain
events that take place in the terrorist realm. But he's he
play this clip, wrap, the RIP mind control in the news, and
just listen, he discusses how all these things are never
resolved on purpose.
Let's just follow this in the coming weeks and months, just
the way we followed the swine flu, Fast and Furious Benghazi,
the IRS treatment of applicants for nonprofit status, the spying
on reporters, the AP and Fox and Sheryl acticin, etc, etc, etc.
And let's just see where they really end up. Do they really
end up anywhere? No, they don't end up anywhere. And that's part
of my work. You know, as a journalist to point this out to
people, they don't end up anywhere. And so some people
take this as a sign that I'm not on board with the whatever the
standard alternative news is supposed to be. Because if I
were that I would be elevating Snowden to some great position
in the sky, but what I'm saying is no, you don't understand
these stories don't have an ending, don't you see? They've
never had an ending. And you can go back as far as you want to in
history, and you will see that. And so this is what you have to
learn. This is sort of the meta level of understanding of
information in the news. These stories don't have an ending.
And there's a reason for that. And, and that's why you have to
understand what mind control really is. And what hypnosis
really is and what a trance really is, in order to really
get a perspective on what the news really is.
Okay, Let me see it won't take long before someone comes out
with a story. John Rapoport has freaked out. He is a conspiracy
theorists crackpot, he is not to be trusted. And he's on drugs.
Well, there's all those, the others. And he also has this
other one, I got this other little clip from him, where it
just a shorty and his TED talks about which I think is kind of
interesting. In itself, even though I think that that clip
you just heard is real is a great clip. Yeah, that's his
rationale for understanding of the media. And this is a little
one that's kind of just kind of a cute clip.
Sure. But we're talking about monster agencies here with huge
numbers of people and billions and billions in funding and who
knows what else they're doing on the side to line their pockets.
And so how policy secret internal policy is, formed and
shaped over years of this inter relational inter agency warfare
is just another matter entirely separate from that. And it does
take place and yes, you're right. Many of these people have
already sold out completely to the globalist vision, so they
don't really care what happens to America, as this is so sad.
Mickey and I were talking this morning. Remember, the the
soldier who was on our plane, we came back from vacation, and,
and you know, he wasn't in a coffin, obviously. And we got
the picture of that, as he was he was explaining right termite
shot. So I found out from Agent Orange, who's, you know, who can
find out anything pretty much and military? said, Yeah, I want
to know who this who this kid was. And he was, I think 22. And
the language that was used in the report about him is he
basically, I think, we're pretty sure he committed suicide in
Germany. And you know, so then that's the real bummer. When you
think about you want it's one thing to, we have this stupid,
crazy war against something invisible, and people getting
blown up and maimed and killed. That's another thing that people
end and I've been over there, these kids are freaked out.
They're like, What the fuck are we doing here? This was nuts.
And then, you know, they freak out. And then they wind up
killing themselves. And so you, but I think when Mickey said is
like, what, what is it? Does this result in anything? Are
these wars good for anything? And I said, No, it's all about
money. It's about money and power. And we're all of us as
people in not the globalist vision, which is cannon fodder.
It's all about money, all about money and power and resources.
And we're irrelevant. And
well, it's the way it is. I wish I had saved I had a clip once
and we never use it or whatever. But it was one of these from
some army spokesman. They've made the claim that the suicides
are turns out. It's not really good. It turns out, there's no
connection between the suicides and multiple deployments. That's
what there's
no connection whatsoever. I was in Iraq. And the first night I
was in Iraq, I was just talking to Marines. Okay, Marines. And
these Marines were six foot seven. And all of a sudden, the
guy just breaks down crying. And he's like, he's falling into my
arms crying a huge Marine. Now, granted, he was 20. And he's
just like, I could, I guess there was, I don't know what
button I hit. But he was just freaking out, because he didn't
know what he was doing there. He didn't know he didn't want to
kill children of just because they're brown and live in sand
and not doing anything wrong. The whole thing is wrong. Sorry,
I didn't mean to get on that tangent.
resolve to do. I'm sorry. Well, anyway, this guy believes this
whole thing is in history, and he dissected deconstructed
Snowdens all the stories, because none of them make any
sense. None of them make any sense. He was here and he was
supposed to be this computer guy. And they joined the army.
And they made him special forces, because he was a US high
school dropout, but a computer genius. He breaks two legs. And
then they get rid of him. He says why would they get rid of
him? He's, he's a computer guy doesn't make him his laser don't
need that don't evil. And he goes on with every one of these
stories. And he says the only thing that only thing that makes
any sense is that, that in fact, if you listen to the Rachel
Maddow clip, she's all in on this play that Rachel Maddow
shows rare skepticism clip.
I think that when you balance what the government needs to do
in order to keep us safe, that's one of the things you need to do
when needed in order to even have the argument reasonably is
to know whether what they are doing actually does keep us
safe. And that's why the NSA is failures to even know what Ed
Snowden took from them seemed to me like an important seemed to
me like an important thing. If they don't even know what
they've got. And they don't know when something's gone, then I'm
not sure I want to trust them with everything that they're
taking. Here's
here's the thing, John, more people heard Rachel Maddow say
that from this podcast then when it originally airs is
true. But there are people that listen to her. Anyway. So this
guy's thinking is following me and he like he goes through the
whole thing about Snowden, which we have actually already done. I
think
we've done I'm almost kind of tired of it, because now, here's
the thing, their agenda.
Well, we're propagating the somebody's agenda, whatever, but
we're just discussing it. So his thinking is, is that Snowden
being the CIA guy, that's that he never got any of this
information. Since there's no way these systems don't have all
kinds of blocks. And in fact, if you try to do a lot of stuff on
the on any government computer, there's a lot of roadblocks and
even if you're the sysop, it doesn't make a lot of sense to
him. And with that in mind that the NSA doesn't know what
Snowden took, which means there's no logs of any sort,
which is bullcrap point, there's good logs of everything. He was
given all this material, according to Rapoport by the CIA
to leak it, because the damned NSA is getting a big budget
increase. Well, the CIA is getting their budget cut, and
they're not putting up with it anymore. And there
you go. That's it. This is well that's what we've said from day
one. Yeah. No more fake news.com I think is John Rapoport. site
looks pretty cool. I'm gonna I'm gonna He's got an RSS feed. I
hope I'll subscribe to that. And now that I see is picture I'm
like, I know this guy. You said was CBS maybe he might have been
done Seesmic report. Jimmy also run for them. Hold on a second.
Yeah, he ran for office and lost.
Oh, well, you're gonna tell the truth. No, no, you can't be a
part of our club. Get out of here. All right. Let me play you
were Sharpton clip to lift our mood. This is this is a classic
Sharpton flub. It's hard to come by. Yeah, there
are getting more difficult to find. Because I think they do
post on him.
I think they have a 22nd delay just to edit the stupid shit out
that he says. So this is for some reason. This is about I
don't know, I'm not following any of this. And again, no one
watches this. No one's watching these channels. This is Sharpton
talking about Senator Cruz apparently has handed in his
birth certificate. He was born in Canadia, I think. Yeah. Yeah.
And which is speculating, fueling speculation that he
might run for president whatever. But here's a classic
Sharpton flub on this non interesting topic of news.
We're back with more on the continuing saga of Ted Cruz,
Canadian by birth, extremists by choice, just released his
Canadian birth certificate this weekend, starting talk over
whether he's eligible to run for president since his mother was
American. Experts agree Senator Cruz was a US senator from
birth. Eligible.
Here we go. A US senator from birth is what he was. What an
idiot.
That's a good one.
And did you hear the latest Manning?
No. Besides the changing his name to Chelsea Clinton?
No, no, I mean, Reverend Manning Oh, the No, I have I actually
this is my day. You're stepping on my toes here. Do you have a
Manning? Do you have the MO but I mean, I go back and hit the
Well, every so often for
this one is classic. Only a black Reverend could say this.
And I just love this guy. The way he is just funny the way he
says stuff
that this man failed. We gave a black man. We gave a black man,
the highest prize in the universe. And then after that,
we gave him the Nobel Prize for Peace. Even though he didn't
earn it. We gave him everything that he needed to succeed. We
gave him everything that he needed to succeed. We gave them
everything he needed to lead his people. We gave them everything
he needed to help black people. We gave them everything he
needed to change the world and the dynamics of black people. We
gave him everything to heal slavery. We gave him the
presidency, and we gave him the Nobel Prize for Peace. We gave
him everything. And the nigga fail.
It's like Richard Pryor. The guy is phenomenal.
Yeah, you're right, man, man. He's only getting get away with
it now.
Hey, I want to thank everybody for all of the research on the
birth of foundation. I think we've pretty much figured it
out. And guess what? Okay, it seems like we actually have a
good guy. Oh, yeah. So okay, so
why be hiding?
Well, this well, there's a number of reasons possibly. So
this all goes so remember Laura two bots. Nick is the CEO and
founder of the birth of foundation, the birther
foundation is this outfit that is just handing out money left
and right mainly to fund documentaries. So I thought it
stopped with Laura but actually it all stems from her father
Anthony or aka Tony two bots Nick. Now Tony two bought snake
and and all of this research is in the shownotes and it's quite
in depth and people have gone gotten I mean the our show is so
phenomenal when you see the research people have gotten
documents from Swiss business registries from South Africa. We
know everything there is to know that's available about the
Tabata Nick family. And but in a nutshell 22 bots, Nick started
made billions of dollars. In fact, he sold his company to
mark BV that registered in the Netherlands by making generic
drugs by finding loopholes in in trademark copyright and patent
law. So we started very early on making generic drugs, you know,
selling them making a killing. And then Merck basically said,
Well screw this guy, we're gonna buy him so he sold out for you
know, one point what happened to most generic drugs? Oh, yeah. So
now Merck generic or the generic, it is Merck generics.
So we made, you know, billions of dollars. And he decided that
he was going to put a lot of his money to good work by and this
is what's interesting. He is what's known as and I found a
whole bunch of links here. They call them the self hating Jews.
And yeah, and to Boston, yell
about the self hating Jews and self loathing is usually the way
it's referred to,
well, I'm just reading what I have in writing, not my own
personal, whatever. So here is he is part of a large group,
particularly British, but they're also in the United
States. Jews who are very angry at Israeli policy, particularly
as it relates to Palestine. And so if you go and you look at, at
the movies that he's financing or indirectly financing, but
his, I think it's his son, Neil, he's an executive producer,
there's this whole, the whole Seth to Bod snake and it's just
tons of Tabata snakes all in, in movies and documentaries,
mainly, the ones that are financed are against American
policy that is that influences Israel, or directly against
Israeli policy, as it relates to Palestine. And very interesting.
So this money and and, you know, I'm neither here nor there on
whatever's going on in, in the Middle East, because I know,
cheese has been going on my entire life. But the idea that
he's taking his money and putting it into these
documentaries, I think is kind of interesting. I have to say, I
couldn't really find anything. And he looks like a like a weird
hippie. This,
these type of this, this group is a very pro puppet, they're
the ones in the bumper stickers are all over Berkeley, you stop
is stopped Israeli occupation of Palestine.
Well, I'm against the this killing that's going on, for
sure. And it seems like killing is unfortunate that's going on
there is a
dual responsibility problem. And there have been opportunities,
especially during the Arafat regime to solve these problems.
And when one sides agrees to do it, the other side refuses. And
there was a really good number of potentials that took place
came and went. And a lot of people believe that the a lot of
it has to do with the kind of a certain type of specific
corruption that you find in the especially in the Palestine
area. But it's, you know, yeah, if you want to, I don't know if
this seems to be pretty targeted to me. So that's why he's
hiding, because he knows there's a bunch of Yes, other Jews that
would take offense at this one guy spending all this money on
this one thing. And it was
what's funny about it is here is I had to chuckle and I'll just
say it because on this podcast, I can. I've said this in
mainstream media before and got in big trouble for it. But
here's an example of a Jew influencing the media says you
can't you can't ignore what is happening. And it's Yeah, I had
said that once in in Holland. And I had to I have got called
out newspapers and you're an anti Semite. And it was it was
crazy. And I said, Look at this, anyway. Yeah. Irrelevant. So
that's, that's what's going on with this guy. Well,
then we that's all we need to do with them, then we know Yeah,
essentially pro Palestinian Jewish guy who's gonna just
throw money at a problem. Well,
also No, but I think the what what you're seeing is any
project that is anti American is support of Israel, of the
current Israeli regime.
Yeah, well, probably coming from his from his pocket book.
Exactly.
And just as a side No, I found out that Roger roger waters of
Pink Floyd Fein is now reading leading this whole kind of like
remember the Sun City thing with Bruce Springsteen, Steve Van
Sant and the street and all these guys like one place on
city, which because of apartheid in South Africa right so Roger
Waters is trying to set something up like that and and
using the same apartheid words and trying to get everyone to
stop playing in Israel.
How original
that's well that's what these guys do.
Yeah All right well, I don't think that's gonna go anywhere
but we're gonna see what happens.
But I just thought it was interesting that we know here's
this guy and he's fun Yeah, and by the way, you know
you gotta definitely found the guy you dug him up and you we
had a lot of help. And we got to the bottom of the whole thing
and but it turns out to be not that interesting, but I can
always hide it,
but you have to take it further because he's financing Laura
Poitras, who is and you know, he's financing all of these
people that are involved with the Snowden stuff. So yeah, I
know
that's the North fishy part. We have to figure out why. What is
Poydras gonna Well, she did a pro No, she's the one who did
the pro Iraq thing that were the you know that she followed them
to her original documentary, which is my country, my country
or whatever, my country, my country with this guy. And it
was just it was very scathing, I suppose the what's his name?
That guy was on everything should what's his name? That guy
with the beard who did did the documentary that was so popular
for a while, the guy with the beard to game? You know, this
guy? Yeah. Who was the guy
with the beard?
The guy who kept showing up? We had clips of him. He's the one
who did this story about how we're screwing everybody. You
know, divorcing is a scam. I can't remember this. But he's
part of the he was, if I looked up, this guy could find it. Or
the foundation, I'd find his name we've had we've talked
about it a million times.
I can't come up with it. I believe you. I just can't I
can't think of the guy with a beard.
His name is on a couple of clips. Very entertaining guys
always on the Democracy Now. And
like a long beard or short, big little short
douchebag beard is kind of scruffy. You should be seeing
him by now. My fine description?
No, I'm just racking my brain. racking your brain. I am racking
my brain. Anyway,
guys. So newest is the newest hot movie that's floating around
about the surveillance state awards, the whole thing.
So I think you can take this a step further. And so it may be
it's just his kids that are shelling out the money and that
people are taking advantage of it, which I think is very
feasible. But in everything that is essentially anti Israeli
American imperialistic motives, which is the war in Iraq and
Afghanistan. You could say that that's all a part of it. He
seems to be wanting to finance that stuff. Yeah, well,
somebody's got to do it. Jeremy Scahill.
Yeah, there you go. Somebody in the chat room.
Yeah, of course. I didn't know I had it. But yeah, the Dirty Wars
guy.
Exactly. Dirty Wars. That guy. That is fine.
That's his son, Neil. So Neil was the executive producer on
that one. But how does it tie in to the Snowden stuff? That's
what's that?
That's,
that's what's puzzling, you
know, the question unless they're, well, you know,
Poitras, of course, was Did one of the movies for him, which was
right down, right down the line of the checklist that you just
cited. Yeah, you did that. Now. Maybe she's working on something
similar. And she's we don't know what it is. And maybe that's
what the exchange of these data documents about because we're
under the complete and I'm all in on the fact that Snowden gave
Glenn Greenwald everything. He's got it all so there's no reason
to talk anymore. Go do his own thing. Right. So that so the,
maybe something else going on, which is maybe
How about how about this? How about there was someone else
accompanying David Miranda, and this was part of the documentary
and at least his incarceration or temporary incarceration was
filmed.
That could be because he did come
from portress. And she said, Okay, here's here's my, here's
my boy, Wolfgang, he's gonna fly with you, and you're gonna have
the GoPro and you're gonna get yourself arrested. And you'll
have you'll have recording devices and everything you'll
get some of it won't get all of it, but I'll get some of it. And
you'll get a lot of that back. It's
Yeah, something's up. Yeah, movie movie time being you duped
again. The public. Moving into idiots. I've made more money
than we do.
That's okay. I'm having more fun than they are.
Well, I can speak for yourself.
I am speaking from my So often I do it with great pleasure.
So if when I go visit Gibraltar, I'm going to take a drive up the
ACE seven and go to Malaga.
Malaga, Malaga. And you say Mulago. I say Malaga depends.
You get a good wine there.
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