And Bear is close to Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
June 30 2013 It's time for your gizmo nation media assassination
episode five to six. This is no agenda, officially declaring the
C word to mean cracker here in the Travis Tato in Austin, Texas
in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry,
and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's sunny, beautiful, and
I've decided that Martha Stewart can't cook. I'm John C. Dvorak.
Hill.
She's not too good at stock tips either. I,
that brings up the point of my theme for today's show.
Oh, what's that? Don't look.
I noticed I'd have themes. Oh,
I have problems. You have themes. I
got problems, but my theme is liars. Oh, that's
a good one. Isn't that our theme? Every show? Yeah. Isn't
that just like the other ongoing theme of this program? I miss
Mickey is out. She went back to Amsterdam for her special
projects she left yesterday.
So get your pancakes.
No, I didn't get my pancakes. Exactly. And then I get to do
everything myself. Grumpy.
The whole show? Well, it's low carbs. No carbs.
No carbs. No, like, I'm going to be great husband. And yesterday
we have a we have water restrictions in Texas pretty
much permanent. So I'm like, Okay, it's gonna be at night and
me. What? does that even mean? water restrictions.
water usage restriction. But if you're dehydrated, no, no, you
can drink you can drink all you can drink but it's watering your
lawn. That's a problem. You have a lawn? Yeah, we're on the
corner. So we have quite a bit of grass.
Oh, and why don't you just to recycled rainwater?
Yeah, well, this is Texas. John. What rainwater? Okay,
go on with the story. Yeah.
So So yesterday, I'm the great husband. Because he is starting
to turn brown. It's like it's not looking good. Except for
Greg into Texas. The grass is frying except for what we had
these big oak trees and underneath the oak trees is
fantastic. is beautiful green. And so I'm, you know, it's dark
out and I'm running around with the sprinklers. Although they
they they can actually, you know, they look at your water
usage bill. And and they will come and bust you if they think
you're using too much is not even with the smart, the smart
grid water meters.
So what are they are going to do to you?
How they find you?
Do they work you over?
Yeah, with ugly stick. Now they find you for that? Anyway, but
you know, we're in a in a family house. And so just the two of us
like wow, this took a lot of showers at this particular week,
to three hours of moving the sprinklers all around in the
dark. And I swear to God, I sit down and I string out the wire
on the back porch for the new little bit of hamming because we
had a huge magnetic storm. So 40 meters was cranked up. And and
boom, thunder, lightning, it's rains after three hours of doing
all this crap and it rained all night.
Well, that's just the way it works is to try the rain stick.
No, but I'm thinking we should we should do a rain stick for
everybody in Phoenix and in Southern California. How's it
there with you? Is it is it crazy hot is it? You think it
from the reporting in Europe? You'd think that Armageddon is
upon us if they've taken this opportunity for a little bit of
what use what we used to call, I think a heatwave. And it's like
they're cooking eggs on the street. They're all going to die
Death Valley is is it Armageddon agenda 21 Oh, this is global
warming hits over. Yeah. It's really it's really sad what how
this is being portrayed. And you almost would think that the
president after announcing his his climate change goals on the
hottest day was wiping down his forehead who he's so hot. He's
so hot that they cranked up harp or something just to just to
prove the point, you know, just to hammer it home. In fact, the
the President yesterday but did his little show was little
podcast, the presidential podcast, which is that on
iTunes, they if it's not talked to the guys, I can find if I
have some poll, I probably get the present iTunes. And he
essentially he repeats his entire message that he did in
his 4045 minutes speech there, Georgetown University. He added
a couple of things that I wanted to highlight and of course, he
does not disappoint by giving us a hearty Hi, everybody. Hi,
everybody.
A few days ago I unveiled a new national plan to confront the
growing threat of a changing climate. Decades of carefully
reviewed science tells us our planet is changing in ways that
will have profound impacts on the world. We leave our children
that is a little new. What he just said there decades of
carefully reviewed science That's pretty
harsh. It's bull crap.
Yeah. But to say that this is this is so blatant. And this is
an you have to admit, this is the other Obama now, this is
this is number two, that it's like they've tag team that the
first guy was tired and that he's invigorated. He looks
great. He looks tighter for some reason.
Yeah, he got a couple of shots in him. Yeah.
Already, we know that. The 12 warmest years in recorded
history. And we won't come in the last 15. That's right. And
the last year was the warmest in American history,
which doesn't mean it was the warmest in the world. And okay,
this global warming taking place only in America.
And while we know no single weather event is caused solely
by climate change,
this is this is so good. This is the this is the hedge. He keeps
putting that in there. So we know
they've had to go from all weather is not climate, weather
is not climate to weather and climate are interlinked and bad
weather is re related to climate. Now they've got this,
this is the latest. They have been experimenting so much with
the various domains to see which ones will catch. Yeah,
yeah, they've been doing that with the language, very good
science.
We also know that in a world that's getting warmer than it
used to be, all weather events are affected by it.
I love this. This is really good language. He didn't say this
either. In a world that is getting warmer than it used to
be. What does that mean? It used to be last year 1000 years ago,
10,000 years ago. What does it even mean?
More extreme droughts, floods, wildfires, and hurricanes.
So we haven't had any hurricanes. Why did you Why do
you say hurricanes are not tornadoes? I
probably should have said tornadoes. That was a mistake.
No,
no, John, God, man, you and I know better than this did
nothing is by mistake with these people.
This guy has been making a lot of mistakes recently, I think
when did it when did he give the speeches after South Africa?
No, this before he left? This is Yeah, no, this this was pre
taped, pre taped.
Those who already feel the effects of a changing climate
don't have time to deny it.
That's that we don't have time to deny it. Yeah, there to Wow.
That's a Jim.
This is what he said this last time. You don't remember my
point it I don't remember.
I'm saying we don't have time to deny it. I know. He said that.
By the way, the Flat Earth Society that he referenced.
documentation that they're all in on global warming. Yeah, of
course. Yeah. It's kind of ironic. It's beautiful.
It's a beautiful thing. Uh huh. Yeah. So yeah, no, it's we don't
have time because what are they what are they doing those?
Apparently it's firefighters who deny global warming. They're
busy
dealing with it. The firefighters who brave longer
wildfire seasons,
she This is a mystery to the prompter. Did you hear what
happened here? How he's just reading and he's not even
thinking anymore about what he said he doesn't think now. So
he's saying those who people don't even have time to deny
global warming because they're too busy dealing with it. And
then he goes in and the inflection is the firefighters.
Like the firefighters are denying it. Let's listen to it
again.
Oh, it's very poorly done.
Probably worse. Firefighters.
Oh, let me back it up a little bit more. No, it's It's he's,
it's just No, it's It's he. He's not paying attention to the
script. He's just reading by climate
change. We also know that in a world that's getting warmer than
it used to be. All weather events are affected by it. More
extreme droughts, floods, wildfires, and hurricanes. Those
who already feel the effects of a changing climate don't have
time to deny it. They're busy dealing with it. The
firefighters who brave longer wildfire seasons, the farmers
who see crops wilted one year and washed away the next
these are the deniers apparently dumb.
It was poorly done. Yeah,
families worried about water that's drying up. The costs of
these events can be measured in lost lives and livelihoods, lost
homes and businesses and hundreds of billions of dollars
in emergency services and disaster relief. And Americans
across the country are already paying the price of inaction in
higher food costs, insurance premiums and the tap for
rebuilding now
and that's all I have. I didn't record all four minutes of got
five minutes. But that last bit that he just said, where you're
already paying the tab that is directly from that, from the
University that does the client climate change communication.
That is their line. That is exactly their line is that we
remember we read the documents and it's like here's here's the
here's what the new mission is to say you're already paying for
it. So you might as well pony up and I guess that will leave a
more Yeah,
that'll lead to already paid for payments or is it more already
being taxed whatever it may get taxed more? What difference does
it make? You're already taxed?
Yeah. So a lot of the logic with with this, I just want to lead
into something so we kind of got started on this theme and intend
to do it. I got a note from our insider. We have an industry The
insider who really confirmed for us that all of these wind farms
and solar panel farms are really concealing gas fired electrical
plants. And he had somebody, he's a lawyer, he has some
contracts. He says, you know, oh my God, all these contracts that
I'm doing for these solar and wind farms, they all have gas
pipelines leading up to them. And if you take that back even a
little bit more, this is a huge setup that we've seen. And the
setup was for natural gas. And a lot of these plants, mainly
built by General Electric, I might add big buddies there, the
Obama administration. And of course, NBC and all the other
television channels, who have been propagating this, they got
huge subsidies from the government, for building solar
and wind farms. As a scam is now obvious. We're just building,
we're getting ready for natural gas, that will be a part of the
Climate Change plan. We're gonna push everyone towards natural
gas, get in now on the ground floor. And I'll ask you in a
minute, I'll ask you to give us some ideas of what we can invest
in.
And by the way, we should mention that they are literally
bulldozing the coal plants, yeah, pushing them down. They
don't want to have them there to restart them. They're gonna just
they're just tearing it down,
got another email from our insider. And this brought up
something that we talked about three years ago, which I it's
really cool how these things come around, and what we already
identified back in the day. So the insider will just call the
gas scam Insider. So another energy related contract
yesterday, Adam at first assumed it was another solar contract,
but instead it was for a fuel cell technology that turns
natural gas into electricity using a quote, electromechanical
reaction rather than combustion. Having never heard of this
before I looked up the company. Do you remember what company
this is? John?
No, I don't I know the technology. But I don't remember
the company Bloom Energy. Oh, yeah. Bloom, right. I do
remember.
And Bloom Energy was the company. They had a huge hype on
60 minutes. This was in fact, I went back I pulled the clip
because it was a member that we we actually talked about
watching this at the window. Oh, everyone's gonna watch this
tonight. It's going to be unveiled. It's the big massive,
it's the fuel cell. It's the secret is being unveiled. And
this has been funded by Kleiner Perkins. Right, John Doerr. And
so I wanted to just replay the open you find the old clip? Oh,
yeah, the 60 minutes hype.
That was unbelievable hype. And then I'll read the rest of our
insiders communicate to us
in the world of energy. The Holy Grail is a power source that's
inexpensive.
Remember, this is three years ago, almost three years ago when
this was being set up
and clean with no emissions. Well, over 100 startups in
Silicon Valley are working on it. One of them is Bloom Energy
this was
this was also before all of the Solyndra is and this is when all
the money was going into all this stuff that started to fail.
A couple years later,
their invention, a little power plant in a box. They want to put
literally in your backyard. Oh, generate your own electricity
with the box, and it'll be wireless. The idea is to one day
replace the big power plants and transmission line grid. The way
the laptop moved in on the desktop, and cell phones
supplanted landlines. It has a lot of smart people believing
and buzzing, even though the company has been unusually
secretive until this past February, when KR Sridhar
invited us to be the first news organization to take a look at
the innards of the Bloom Box that he'd been toiling on for
nearly a decade.
Now you remember this right there was like oh, yeah, they
had a little thing in his hand. No one here. got that done. I
pulled that clip too. I had to I had to. It's also it makes it
extra funny because he's Indian. And
it just hit crop.
Or we've run a database here and my hand is ready.
This morning. What could this power this could power a US
home? United States House entire house 24/7 365 something that
small, maybe make it into blocks. This is a European home?
The to put together as a US home because we use twice as much
energy.
So for homes in India,
you're absolutely absolutely country four to six homes in our
country.
We need to need energy we just need energy like up
is awfully dazzling.
It is real. It works.
Yeah, only where is it? He says he knows it works because he
originally invented a similar device for now. So he really is
a rocket scientist.
And I remember he looked into this bullcrap.
Right? And so where is his cube on Mars with the rover, this
invention
working on Mars would have allowed the NASA administrator
to pick up a form and say, Mr. President, we know how to
produce oxygen on Mars. So yeah, that worked out, huh. Guys have
a goal. This was going to produce oxygen so people could
actually live on Mars.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
For NASA isolation and this will you know, that guys, I mean, you
have to calculate the cubic feet of, of the atmosphere, or what
would be an atmosphere and Mars is just like ridiculous. To
produce it from
what, by the way,
I want people to have a vacuum.
We are not racist. We just love making fun of silly accents and
funny walks.
Grab that Mars mission, actually,
in this case, racist or not racist? This guy's a fake as
a phony, but we're attacking the entire peoples of India.
Well, if they donate more, I don't think
I had an idea. He reversed his Mars machine. So instead of
this is I love this how this is 60 minutes, he reversed his Mars
machine and came up with the answer for all future energy
making oxygen he pumped oxygen in. He invented a new kind of
fuel cell. Okay, so
yeah, 20 seconds.
Yeah, we I think we all get okay. So
the idea was, it was not a fuel cell. It is a well known
technology, of creating energy from natural gas, and you can do
it but it's, it's it's one of these things that it has to run
for more than an hour, you know, it can't just like crap out and,
and you know, and he was making it from sand on beaches and all
this bull crap. So let's go back to our email insiders email. And
he said, he said he had not heard of this company actually
sent him this link and said, Oh, man, it's too funny. I said,
there's went back to the contract. And notice that it
requires confidentiality about the actual performance of the
device. So here's this fabulous fuel cell that's going to save
the world, but they want to keep the performance of this natural
gas slipper confidential.
Well, you know what that means, of course,
sucks. It totally
sucks. Yeah. It was it. Here's the look at it from a marketing
perspective, if this thing kicked, total butt, and it had
unbelievable performance, which it doesn't, you wouldn't want to
keep that a secret because it did. That's your marketing tool.
Yep. But you do want to keep it a secret if it's a piece of
crap, because keeping it a secret is your marketing tool.
But here's the here's where it all ties together. So the
President comes out, says natural gas is the transitional
fuel of the future as we get to fuel that farmers will have to
grow, which I guess would be sugar cane and whatever it's
going to be. And all of a sudden, these contracts start
popping up for this Bloom Energy bull crap. It's cash in time.
That's what's coming. Now. There's $7 billion that
depressed that's only what he talked about, and what he
announced, and all these guys are jumping on it with these
confidentiality contracts. So it's going to be incredibly
inefficient, expensive, and it's going to be a bonanza. And
finally, Kleiner Perkins will get their money back because it
was money out that's a couple a couple 100 But they gotta get it
out. They gotta get it back
because the last piece of article written about Bloom
Energy in terms of a press release was in June 4 just
recently in 2013. Verizon to buy bought Bloom Energy fuel cells,
whoa, and why would this this is like a minor story. But who else
would run it but Giga ohm, which is which is an Indian mafia?
Yes, of course.
It's time to do personal marketing heat.
So why are these companies buying the Bloom Energy machine?
Because they get a 35% tax credit that's why Google got
them
okay, it's so there you go. This is so this government scam is
gonna roll out energy as an IPO ie off big war somebody's gonna
buy it, but I think it'd be an IPO. Nobody in their right mind.
Right. It has to be an IPO because there's 400 million
invested in this thing.
Yes. And that's been IPO for a billion more. Ladies and
gentlemen, more than a billion more than more than a billion.
So this ladies and gentlemen even though I do not give stock
tips, sounds like a future short to just live with it's gonna be
dynamite.
Buy the stock when it comes out and just wait for it to go up
Hiccup and then lose it hiccups
then short the short the hell out of it. Yeah, exactly.
So we're gonna go okay, I think you're right. I think you're
dead on I think this is this is a lead into an IPO that'll make
Kleiner get cleaner out of the woods, make the government look
good. And make Obama look good. And then he'll be out of office
by the time this thing. Finally craters
the cool thing Well,
maybe not even the coolest guy you'd ever know the cool thing
about all of this fail immediately.
The cool thing about all of this is that the taxpayer gets
screwed on both ends of the stick and we get screwed when
these guys build these phony baloney fronts with you know,
for for basically gas fired turbans with a wind farm in
front as a facade and look at the wind farm don't look don't
look at the turbine, don't look at the turbine to look at the
turbine. And and they're getting huge tax breaks there we get
screwed. And and then when the consumer when the customer the
big, you know, we're all in, of course, Google hasn't Verizon
has it. When they buy it. They there's another tax break.
Right, which again, take comes out of our pocket. We got
screwed twice,
and then Verizon still send you a bill.
Yeah, they should be sending us money.
You want to hear John Doerr at the time? Oh,
yeah, like might as well be created. Yeah.
In October 2001, he managed to get a meeting with John Doerr
from the big Silicon Valley venture capital firm Kleiner
Perkins. How much do you think I need to come up with the next
big thing?
Oh, that's my job to find entrepreneurs.
Not it's my job No, your job is to make money for your limited
partners which are not doing a great job of I might know they
have a really failed it's been a continuum of failures ever since
they went green. It Oh, yeah. It was a huge blunder. Yeah. Oh,
well, this is green green green because he's you know, he's
buddies with doors buddies with Al Gore and doors over there
selling his time all the time. snake oil is carbon exchange.
Yes, that okay. So, listen, listen to it gets better.
Remember, this is 2010. And oh, that's my job. We're gonna
change the world. We're gonna change that's my job. We're
gonna change the world. We are the world
and then help them
help them by taking away all their stock. Giving them
nothing.
John Doerr has certainly changed our world. He's the one who
discovered and funded Netscape.
Whoa, crap. We discovered Netscape. What does that even
what does that mean? This is 60 minutes. Mind you on the Tiffany
network? He didn't. They're clueless. Discover Netscape,
Amazon.
He didn't discover Amazon.
And Google. They got there late comers to Google. Yeah, they had
to buy a billion dollars worth of stock to get into Google.
They weren't they didn't discover nothing. When he
listened to KR the idea seemed just as transformative,
efficient, inexpensive, clean energy out of a box out of but
Google 25 million
this I don't know where that came from. And you can see his
expression is like, Oh my God, would you come over that number?
We did a back room overnight deal for a billion before the
IPO? What are you talking about? 25 million. Okay, I'm just gonna
shut up about it and make me look good.
This man said how much money
at the time he said over $100 million. didn't smoke
start coming out of your years and no, no, that was okay. That
was okay. So nothing he said. Scared you?
Oh, I wasn't at all sure it could be done. But there
was a selling point. Clean Energy was an emerging market
worth gazillions,
gazillions? I just heard zillion zillion.
gazillion. Write that down.
This is 60 minutes. John, CBS, CBS. The Tiffany network
apparently now has invented the monetary unit of a gazillion the
fawning of this. They are so complicit in this bullcrap.
I like to say that the new energy technologies could be the
largest economic opportunity of the 21st century.
Yeah. And that's what you told all your investors and gee,
How'd that work out?
Was this your very first clean energy investment? Yeah, this
was the very first Yes. And I forgot that.
It would be funnier. You know, it'd
be better if you start off on the wrong wrong foot and it just
gets worse.
Wouldn't it be funny if John Doerr was Indian?
John Doerr, I you know, I think the funny thing is John Doerr
has dealt the guy they used to have there was they finally got
there was a big battle royale between him and door or the
Indian guy.
Who was the Indian guys. Oh, you mean? That wasn't rom Sriram was
it? No, no, no,
no, this the real big shot the big Indian guy, the guy who's,
who's the biggest blowhard of the mall.
I don't know who this is. And he was at Kleiner.
He was one of the main guys declaring he was about to take
over the place and him and Dora got into this huge battle royale
of egos and he lost and when I had to go off and he was one of
the founders of sun, he got kicked out booted out Vishnu
Vishnu owner,
Vishnu, Vishnu Boy, that guy's
just known as the Jewish guy
of you know,
coastal coastal Coast knows
to call them Vinod when he got into him and and Vinod is really
really up there in terms of like, he's got the right
degrees. He's got the right attitude is very patronizing.
He's,
he looks like he looks like a like he should be on Star Trek,
almost like he has.
Yeah, he looks like an actor and he and him and Dora. Were always
battling it out. And I won. Of course, the company isn't big.
But Vinod was probably the highest end of these kinds of
blowhards. He was talking he wouldn't talk about anything but
himself. Just amazing guy. He could be on the show. He hasn't
exactly he hasn't done anything since leaving Kleiner Perkins
that I can tell
when we see career career career 2006 His wife co founded the K
CK 12 Foundation aims to develop open source textbooks. The
Philanthropist how boring,
open source proponent? What is that?
They're also donors to the Wikimedia Foundation. Oh, okay.
So, if you see something nasty about you, on your wiki, it's
him. He's doing it.
He's actually he's got an amazing his ego is so big that
he wouldn't even consider stooping to you know, anything.
I mean, he would, he's the guy with the with the big giant, you
know, he's the type of guy in India has got the big giant
house a bunch of servants. And they just think they're
fantastic people
really abundant and a whole bunch of servants. Okay, in 2010
Oh, so he's so he has Khosla ventures, Tony Blair's on board
now. So he's got here you take al hor, I'll take Tony Blair.
That's how to invest in clean tech. And he also raised $250
million for costless seed, which will invest in higher risk
opportunities. Damn, I thought it'd be seeds That'd be funny.
See, he was selling sauceless seeds let's let's see.
So there's a scam for you just want to make sure you understood
it and
and note that we spotted this three was three years ago. Yeah.
When it first showed up, well, you can sniff sniff it out. It
was just didn't make any this things don't. In science, in
particular things may have there's this thing about making
sense. And also breakthrough technologies and batteries and
fuel cells. There is none. I mean, it's all fine tuning what
was invented in the 1800s. Yeah,
it's been around since the 1800s. Would you please explain
that this so called fuel cell technology has indeed been
around since the late 1800s.
Throughout the 1800s, but late 1800s. And the one for example
of ones that that's the technology is used in hydrogen
cars. Oh, and by the way, whatever happened to hydrogen
cars and the hydrogen economy? Where did that go? Well, how
about anyway, so the fuel cells that were going to be in these
hydrogen cars and I driven most of the hydrogen cars when they
were the prototypes that were around? And they're horrible?
And it's not like they're it's kind of cool to have a car
running on hydrogen, but they make it they work out they all
work in the same technologies a weird fuel cell and they run
rough, right? No, no, they run fine. Is the stream. Oh, and
it's apparently you can't do anything about this. They have a
high pitch squeal that would I think it would be banned it
would for the if there was a city full of these cars, there'd
be people blood coming out of their ears. Okay, and and
they're there, they still can't get enough hydrogen one of these
tanks to go to you because you want to go three to 400 miles on
a on a charge or a fuel cell or a tank of gas or something like
that. And they had to finally get these things to get too
close to 300 miles. They had to use a tank technology that
resulted in the in the hydrogen gas at 10,000 pounds per square
inch in the tank. No which means that a rupture would blow the
car to smithereens. Yeah, nearby.
I'd be so exciting witness. I 35 and I was talking about the it
has an actual word. What's the word? The word the word barn
burning cars gas Oh Jean, I think is what they used to call
gas gas. Oh Jean. In the in the World War Two. There were tons
of cars and if you if you just Google it just Google wood
burning car. Yeah, they're all lorry Oh my god. And there's
some of them are really beautiful. And there's just tons
of cars had these big burners on the back burner and one driving
around. I listen to this has to make a comeback. Well, it's
getting there i I'm so a lot of people sent me tons of links to
10 kilowatt wood burning generators, which I really
appreciate that there's people making these but you know, maybe
next time I have a spare $35,000 laying around, I'll get one of
those. I really would like just a homebrew deal in the pickup
truck. And there's tons of guys who have done it.
You're in the right part of the country. Those Texas like the
weld,
they like to weld and we What are you eating?
I'm just eating a lozenge.
Is your throat hurt? You need a lozenge for your throat.
Mild cough. Anyway, the one
anyway, I would like to wrap this up by telling the peoples
of Europe that we are not burning up alive. Yeah, it's
warm. And I don't know. And I don't know what this bullcrap is
that they're selling people in Phoenix, they have grounded
flights in Phoenix, saying that because of the heat, the
aircraft cannot take off properly. I happen to know a few
things about aircraft.
Yeah, what is the problem with I've heard this before that the
it's sometimes difficult to take off enough. If it's too hot,
yes, well, the air density definitely changes and you have
less lift. So this can be obfuscated in a number of ways
longer runway is a good one. But I think Phoenix is plenty long
for what they're doing. I'm pretty sure that you can solve a
lot of this with your weight and balance. So there might be some
some flights that might be a challenge. But you really the
difference. It's the difference between 100 degrees and 110
degrees is not the difference between taking off or not taking
off. I think something else is going on here. And this is what
we learned when we were on our last Hot Pockets tour. And we
went up to Wichita, and we stayed with our buddy there the
sand. Was it to dune buggy golf carts.com Oh, yeah. Yeah, dune
buggy guy. And he told me that whatever happened to him now
he's still selling dune buggies. He sold a couple to some memory
sold some to like some a ribs.
Yeah, vaguely.
And he told me that the big problem with the planes that
they're building now, the composite the composite planes
that fly the plastic planes is they start to melt around 130
degrees on the tarmac. I'm thinking something else is going
on. I'm thinking that the planes that can take off are the ones
with sheet metal and rivets and the ones that have a problem
they have to move into the hangar because they become
unsafe. And it's 140 degrees in Phoenix, is it not?
I don't know. But I know that ground temperature gets way up
there. Yeah, it's horrible that place and you think they put
coverings over their parking lots and things that No, you go
to some strip mall in Phoenix, you park your car outside, five
minutes later, you can't get back in the car. You have to
open easy you leave the windows open and you have to stick kind
of reach it without burning yourself. Start the engine and
turn on the air conditioner while you stand outside until
the car cools off enough because you can't even touch the
steering wheel. And you'll get third degree burns if you sit
down. Horrible. Well, yeah.
There you go. That's what it is. Hey, let me say in the morning
to you John C. Dvorak to you
Adam curry in the morning to all ships at sea boots on the ground
feet in the water subs in the air and all the dames knights
out there.
Yes, indeedy, how y'all doing? And two are in the morning to
our human resources in the chat room? No, didn't stream.com No
agenda, chat. dotnet already bickering and fighting amongst
each other. Great.
I love it. You get new
people in the chatroom, like daddy who don't know what he's
talking about? Adam is he rated helicopter pilot? He knows what
he's talking of. It's funny.
Yeah, it's always that way. I've I've always noticed that when
you come into a vor somebody runs into you in a media market.
So you're presenting your information. And a lot of people
have the backstory of what you know what you don't know what
your opinions are, where your prejudices lie, your bigotry is
and all the rest and they it's all factored in. And you get
some newbie who comes in and they're usually blowhards, and
they think they started trying to lord it over a group of
people that are insiders, essentially. And then they
usually get shouted down and shut up. Yeah. slaved for a
while. Exactly. Then they finally get a clue and then
they're allowed to discuss things. Yeah. So I'm reading.
I'm looking at I got a bottle of And this is just an example of
how this kind of works in more serious venues. So I'm checking
out I'm gonna auction off some of my wine collection. And
but I also have oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold stop,
hold the front door. But you're going to auction off some of
your wine collection and you can't just pass by that common
just just lightly. Yeah. What? Whoa. Hello. I'd like to be in
how can I get in on this? You don't own any of it? No, but I
have I'm going to help you. How can we get in? Oh, can we do I
mean,
you just give it to auction house or one of these places is
this you have a collection
that's that you can give to an auction house is the kind of
collection you have. Like Christie's.
Yeah, Christie's and so stuff. So it's hard times. Hmm. Well,
yeah, that's exactly right. I gotta sell the wine. That's
hard. You have to turn over your wine anyway, because somebody is
just that you never gonna drink it. It's hard.
So keen to hear this. This is your collection. This is you're
an archivist. You can't eat this. You can't archive
wine forever. Okay. So anyway, so I'm noticing I have a bottle
which I was actually received under interesting circumstances
of of Hennessy's, Richard. And I didn't realize I always knew it
was on par with the I didn't realize what it's worth, because
the Chinese had been screwing up the cognac market. Yes. So I'm
reading about this boat with this thing's worth and I'm
reading about the the Hennessy operation. And then the master
taster, and the people and how they do a tastings, because they
can think about Cognac is a has to taste the same, the panacea
so from 1950 has to taste the same as the Hennessy XO from
2020. It's got to all taste the same, but then you have these
master tasters who can blend in so you have this consistent
product. So when you buy a bottle of it, you know, you're
gonna get the same thing. You're always gonna go. So yeah,
that's what you're paying for. It's not what you're paying for.
Exactly, yeah.
And they so but they are always bringing people in. And this is
like a main taster. That guy was who's I think insured for $5
million dollars in two or three these other guys.
He has a bit of tongue in the business.
It's a nose most. And so as they bring these guys in, I just was
reading about this. And the guy says, when you're one of the
newbies, you're brought in for the first time, you're brought
into the tasting click and then you cannot speak for 10 years.
Really? That's your nondisclosure. You
know, you can't speak at the meeting.
Really? Yeah,
for 10 years. Wow, you shut up and listen and watch the experts
do their thing. Wow. Well, then you can say something in 10
years. That's the way the chat room should be.
A long way to go, but I like it. A 10 year old can write this
down. We have a 10 year moratorium. I would like to
point out one other thing. This is a ladies and gentlemen, you
have just witnessed a black swan event. JCD selling his wine
collection is an economic indicator
or selling you the entire collection. There are wines in
the collection. And I'll just tell you what to do. I'm not
saying the word world's going to burn but this cannot afford to
drink these wines. That's the problem. John,
this is an economic indicator of epic proportions. It might be
this is this is the tipping point
for my collection. I hope
when is the when is the auction taking are you doing this on
eBay?
No, no, no, no, there's these auction houses that specialize
in wine. There's there's a huge infrastructure for selling your
wine if you have the right wine to sell right now. You know why?
The right wine to sell for example would be my I have a
bottle just a single Magnum a double? Two bottles of Latour.
9091 has a bottle can
I guess the price of the Latour. 1990 without without googling or
anything because I've had a tour. And I would say that's
going to be about it would for I would say $2,000
Yeah, probably something like that. Might be more because
Latour 90 is considered one of the greatest tours ever and you
only have one I have a bottle and I wish I'm keeping and they
have a Magnum is the Magnum I'm selling.
Can we can I come over one day and we'll just like go crazy.
run around naked and drink the other one? No, just like
straight out of the bottle.
Nice stop. It's not going to happen. Okay, well,
I just I can dream.
You could drink a bottle of something. I'm sure one of
these. Oh, here it is. Here's the 9090 Latour Bordeaux Magnum
from cult wine. You still there? Yeah.
No, I'm on the floor still.
Available for $2,500. That's close. Close. Yeah, you work
that was actually good. Yes. I can't afford to drink a $2,500
Well, no, duh. I just can't. No, of
course not.
Of course not. But I saw first of all, somebody else can. So
there you have it,
right? No, I'm sad. I'm sad for you because I wish we could hang
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worried because the public at large are idiots unless they see
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Now you really have to do something that about concrete
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I have a question ask Adam.
Okay, do I need to play the jingle or do you trust me?
The jingle we don't need Well Are you sure? It does she have a
new one?
No, no no I have the short ones as Adam Yeah.
Okay. blade this is a clip we've had before and we're gonna play
it again oh play play the clapper says No way.
Okay, you know, clapper I think is with a C but I'll let you
slide today.
So what I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no
answer to the question. Does the NSA collect any type of data at
all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? No sir.
It does not
no data not wittingly.
There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect
but not not wittingly baby I didn't it didn't happen
wittingly just kind of slipped up a little bit. I'm sorry.
So the question for you is why isn't this guy brought in front
of Congress on charges of perjury
Well, that would make no sense.
He perjured himself he lied that was a lie is a blatant lies. He
admitted it later.
Yeah. Well, I mean,
do you expect me to I'm just wondering why because a day from
true Martha Stewart in jail. Yeah. For less for less than
this. What is it right in front of Congress, a bold faced lie
there but clearly
use their contempt of Congress. I'm asking you tell me what you
explain it to me. I just trying to understand from my by my
constitutional expert here, you
Oh, Rob. Well, thank you very much for recognizing my years of
study. This is of course, because, you know, birds of a
feather flock together. They're all criminals and crooks, and
they're not going to make any stink, all they need to do is
just, you know, kill a celebrity. Or, you know, brings,
Hey, call up the globe, and tell them that, that Michael Jackson,
like, had sex with 25 kids that are keep them busy for a while.
Because they're all criminal. That's why this is what's going
on. Constitutionally, of course, they should be thrown out. We
should have pitchforks and shotguns and we should be on the
Mall in Washington, DC. We shouldn't be calling for their
heads to be chopped off. But again, you know, the the the
nature of show business is just too appealing. We are distracted
by way too many things. The New York Times. Did you read the
opinion piece by any by any chance that came out? Yesterday?
I was blown away by the New York Times saying it is criminal. The
Obama administration has overstepped their constitutional
boundaries.
Yeah, of course I read this.
And but then they said but the American public just goes and
live. The New York Times wrote the American public goes mad.
Mad Men were to use the word they use in the article The New
York Times. Yeah. So there's your answer, man. United States
of America.
No, but it's very important to have Lindsay Lohan find justice.
Yeah.
Course. I liked that. United States a man Rica. That's where
we are. When I did you see by any chance, John, the interview
with Charlie Rose, and am I five? No. Okay, well, am I
jealous? Am I five is of course, the guardian. The Brits. Now
here's, here's it hit me when I saw this. And you've really got
to get on the Charlie rose tip. Because people think that this
is they're talking to an elite audience to go on the show like,
and Charlie Rose thinks that he's asking all the right hard,
elite questions.
And we've tracked him before and we find him asking a lot of
leading questions.
He's totally he's a handler, he is a handler. But what's
interesting is that people say things that never you know, it's
it's like an insider's club. Because no one has, it's you.
It's hard to wear Charlie Rose is almost as hard to watch a C
span. He is in the level of paint drying when it comes to
the show. So now he has the two editors on from The Guardian.
And the first thing that strikes me is Oh, my God, you know, this
whole thing, the Snowden thing, which of course we know. There's
messaging, there's fractions warring internally. This is this
is the Mi five has been setting us up for this. And I'll play
just a little bit of these two Brits and just do It makes you
sick to your stomach that What did he go away with? The Brits
already? Is getting out of our country.
I need to premise better because you'd said there's no mi five
person here though, technically, technically, maybe not. We have
two British editors from The Guardian. They Well, I
would say one is mi five and the other is the editor who the
handler who worked with with Glenn, who then work with
Snowden, but the big reveal is coming after this love setup,
future remains unclear. Meanwhile, the revelations
continue. Today, The Guardian reported that the National
Treasury agency had been collected again, this
is the guardian. So Charlie Rose doesn't even go to the
Washington Post. He goes to the guardian in
America's bulk email data for a decade. Joining me now the
editors under whose watch the leaks became public. Janine
Gibson is the US editor of The Guardian. Alan Rusbridger is the
paper's Editor in Chief, I am pleased to have them here at
this table. Welcome. So my question here, and I have no
more questions. What does the Guardian know? Oh,
maybe you'll tell me?
Well, we we have we have more material,
listen to this guy. Listen to what he's saying very closely to
the words we have more material,
and we're doing what a news organization should do, which is
to sift through it. And I think the reason that Snowden gave it
to a news organization is he felt that this whole area of
oversight, this debate about the boundaries between security and
privacy is not he thinks safe in the hands of the people who
should be doing okay, stop
right there. You're telling me that Snowden felt that the
debate which was not going on that the debate about privacy
and security was not in the right hands? Ah, that is a
psychological operation. This guy is playing right there. That
is bullcrap. The debate came after these documents came out.
That's not why Snowden said, oh, oh, I don't know if the balance
is right. If that's the right in the right hands. This is coming
from the guardian. John, am I am I imagining things here?
I keep playing that this is interesting.
So the the, the judicial Well, I think that's the debate we have
to have.
What is this? Oh, who does he wouldn't mean debate we have to
have who are we chemo saw they get the eff out?
And I offended debate that was suggested by the President,
although I'm not sure. But I think we know a lot more
than we did a month ago. And he thinks that Congress has been
misled, and that the courts that are doing this are secret and
are effectively rubber stamp courts. That's his opinion. And
so are you saying here's a news organization, I will give it to
you I want you to act responsibly and put things into
the public domain that you think should really
really he went to the witch he did not we know that he did not
go to the Guardian. He was approached by the filmmaker Leni
Riefenstahl and whatever her name is, and she then went to
the Guardian and to the post so this guy he
I think he went to the post earlier and they just sat on it
right and correct correct. And it wasn't until Greenwald
started doing stuff that the post brought their stuff out but
it came via the main maker whatever the case was, they were
getting nowhere
so this guy but this guy is lying. And he's saying he wanted
to be in the safe hands was
to be none of it. Okay, here's
what I understand that you call him up because
so now he's talking to the the woman who is besides she's moist
she's beside herself with how awesome she is and she's Glenn
Greenwald's editor
and said have a little story I need to talk about I'm gonna
actually I texted him you texted
I'm sure muttered. He said telephone. So John, did you
catch that little ditty she threw out there very good
hilarious
said we have a little story that we might want have a chat about.
I got a story on chat about getting toxic students over
combat.
At that point I understood from Glenn that he had significant
amount Glenn Greenwald right yes that he had a significant amount
of
no getting Campbell What were you
that was an unnecessary interruption to make yourself
look knowledgeable on the topic. The interviewers do this a lot.
It's like throw out a non sequitur completely irrelevant
to the everyone knows that the Glenn Greenwald book Greenwald I
do my homework. Yeah, place
extremely secret material.
It's like Bono. Oh, you mean have you to? Yeah, thank you.
And the broad the very broad brush of of what it was. And of
course, what we didn't know at that point was whether it was
verified whether we could verify the source. And we were
communicating by phone, which is the story. If nothing else
shows, that's not a great way to be communicating. One of the
great challenges of this story has been, how you can
communicate with reporters in many time zones, when you can't
really communicate by phone.
That's not what the story was about. I'm sorry, that was the
previous story of the AP reporters being spied on. So
this is not your story. But okay,
so he got on the plane, and came to New York, and we had a look
through sort of sample,
a sample or sample was his showing like swatches of
clothing,
which turned out to be the 41 page prison presentation, looked
at that and thought, well, that's quite a big story, if it
turns out to be true. Oh, interesting.
If it turns out to be true, which, of course, has not really
been verified, and they really did no business verifying it. So
she goes on a little bit with that. But here's where it blew
me away. And I don't understand why this is not front page, New
York Times? Well, of course, I do. But that would be an ask
John will be silly. When Julian Assange J went to wikiHow. With
WikiLeaks, when Bradley Manning went to Julian Assange, J and
WikiLeaks, what did WikiLeaks do with the material? Did they a
publish everything in a fine database format? So the entire
world could download it and take a look at it? No, or? Or did
they be handed over to a number of select mainstream media
publications, who then dissected it and talk to various agencies
about what they could actually publish or not? Yes. Okay. How
did it work with the Guardian, John?
Well, it looks to me like to be the same process.
You believe national security of the United States had been
damaged?
I do not.
But the question was, Do you believe the by by publishing
this the security of the United States, the national security of
the United States has been damaged? Her answer, as you just
heard was, I do not
believe national security of the United States had been damaged?
I do not. And we have consulted with the authorities about
everything that we have published, and we've invited
them with the NSA with the White House. DNI.
Is this damaging to national security? And should we is there
any real reason we should not publish this?
We've invited specific national security concerns about we've
let them know what we're going to publish. And you know, to the
specifics of which slide of which presentation or which
document On which date? And would you tell me how that
happens, women?
So they call the White House called DNI called the NSA said,
here's what we take a look at this. We want to publish these
slides on this date, at this time in this publication, do you
have a problem? Because
it's interesting to me, it's come up before with other news
organizations in the United States, do you go to NSA
authorities, whether it's General Alexander or someone
else, and say, This is what we're prepared to publish? is,
what's the next part of the question?
Well, in this situation, you're not really asking a question,
because you have the information. I'm going to
publish this What's your response? You're saying this is
what we have? Do you have a specific national security
concern that you would like to alert us to? And well, yes, that
is a question or we are inviting you to raise. And then we don't
guarantee that we will agree with their interpretation, which
but what we're saying is we would you know, we'd like to
hear that. And you heard it. Actually
pretty concerned and
specific national security concerns about anything.
Extending security specific concerns. I think it's fair.
Huh?
Oh, hold on a second. There's a couple of brings up a couple
interesting.
Yeah. How about the the people are going to die? That that
is the worst disaster ever. And here should arrest Glenn
Greenwald here
is the the publication saying Do you have a national security
issue? And they said they didn't even answer. So you tell me
what's going on?
That sounds like a number of possibilities. One, all the
information is bullcrap. They're doing a lot more and this is
just a smokescreen and make it look like they're not could be
testing the waters. We could have this phony slide show maybe
only has the five slides. And they're testing the waters to
see how the public reacts to this. And if the public is good
with it, fine. Throw the switch. We just put everybody in a
database and was fine everybody 24/7 Who cares but there was a
bit
it's funny you say that John because on my favorite show,
Aaron Brown MIT had our favorite guy was Clark Nolan with the
West Clark seventh. And it's like you taking the words right
out of his mouth, everything
he was gonna release it was a problem was done at the
beginning. But then he said I'm worried about things he may
still have. So which is it? Well, I
think I think the the fact is that the way it came out back at
the time of the summit meeting with the Chinese president, it
was hurtful. But on the other hand, there may be some more
stuff behind it. But the truth is, people know what's in there.
And the American people are solidly behind the PRISM
program, and all exporters. You want protection? Yes, most
people say, Look, if, if that's what it takes, I'm happy. So
I think the questions on very solid ground here,
let it work out. Edward Snowden is going to disappear from the
pages of history.
I love that little pause. He's going to disappear from the
pages of history.
So now you can put the New York Times into context. They are not
on your side. They are part of the aisle, everyone's fine with
the program. That's what's going on here. It is to marginalize
anyone's any dissenting voice, saying that excuse me, you're
clearly not with the majority. You're not with the cool kids.
Keyword. Everyone's fine with this. Everyone's fine. Clearly
America is behind prison.
That's what he just said. And that goes,
yes. said yes. Yeah. Hold agreement.
Because you know, she's she works. She's a council foreign
relations member. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And of course, the
President has to downplay it just a little bit now that that
I think that was the funniest line I heard all week.
I'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29 year old
Packer.
I love that I'm keeping that because this is in the same to
me in the same line as this one. Because it hasn't it hasn't
happened yet, but it will
imagine boarding a train in the center of a city. No racing to
an airport. And across the terminal. No delays. No sitting
on the tarmac. No lost luggage. No taking off your shoes or
shoes.
Yeah, okay. We're lining them up. They'll be more like that.
And then his dad comes out snowdon's Dad This to me. Yeah,
this
this was interesting. I've got your take on that. Okay,
well, this is not his dad. Ah, I don't know who this guy is. But
your father. Okay. Your kids screws up to say, J or do J sees
and they screw up and big time. This is this is a. And let's
just leave out of the equation whether you're conflicted about
whether the kid did the right thing or not. This is not how a
father
talk and we update the story of Edward Snowden as a family
member of the former intelligence contractor to also
note family member vended him on national television this
morning, Ray Suarez reports.
But at this point, I don't feel that he's committed treason. The
father
of former CIA contractor Edward Snowden told NBC News Today. His
son is not a traitor.
He has in fact, broken US law in the sense that he has released
classified information. And if folks want to classify him as a
traitor, in fact, he has betrayed his government. But I
don't believe that he betrayed the people of the United States.
This is unbelievable to me. This is first of all, the guy is a
talker. He's He's spoken on television or spoken before
microphone or before media. I don't know too much about him. I
haven't put a lot of research in but I saw this and like that's
not his dad. That's not his father. I don't care what you're
saying. That's not how parents speak. That's not how they act
around their children. Your thoughts. John C. Dvorak, child
behavior specialist.
I'm 100%. with you on this. It sounds like Well, he did break
US law. I mean, nobody would say that, you know, if you're
generally speaking, especially in in some situations, he didn't
do anything wrong. You know, I mean, there's a million ways of
doing this, but you don't come out with a statement like he
did. He broke US law. I
know. I am programmed to talk this way. But it
was like, Yeah, I think that you'd be maybe an actor.
I'm thinking total aquilani. Snowden
also told Attorney General Eric Holder he believes his son would
voluntarily returned to the US to face espionage charges. If
the Justice Department promises not to hold him before trial, or
subject him to a gag order. Snowden himself remains out of
sight. His passport has been revoked
by this is another thing that's bothering me about this story.
This continuous messaging and this is where I think we get
into the the messages that are being sent with all this his
passport. has been revoked. What didn't blow up and burned in
midair. And when you when you go when you go to like Russia, it's
like, don't give a crap me. What does it mean, then? Well,
there's
a couple of things. I thought about this too. And I thought it
was very strange. If I'm in South America with an American
passport and going from country to country, I just go from
country to country. You look at the passport, they look at you
they stamp it, you're done. Yes, they don't. They're not hooked
to the US database. They're not hooked to any data.
Even if they are What do they care? Yeah, they don't care. The
revocation this
passports no good revocation means your money's no good with
us? No, I think it means like the Pay Pal thing we have,
I think, yeah. Well, I think it's worse. When you don't well,
let me consult the book of knowledge while you give your
opinion. I would say that
within the Pay Pal case, you know, we get the people get,
apparently we're killing people's passports to pay us.
Anyway, it was a minor point. I can't really go on about it.
What does it mean when your passport Okay, Rev. vocation, I
guess, wouldn't be the word. What does passport revocation
actually mean?
I don't know. What does it mean? I don't know why even do it. In
fact, if you're in court and you are gun, if you're a flight
risk, they take your passport, that's the only way you can keep
people from I have
it here 51.65 of uscis.gov. Whatever they call it,
notification of denial or revocation of passport, A, the
department will notify in writing any person whose
application for issuance of a passport has been denied or
whose passport has been revoked. The notification will be set
forth the specific reasons for the denial or revocation and if
applicable, procedures for review are available, an
application for a passport will be denied or treated as
abandoned if an applicant fails to meet his or her burden of
proof. So it doesn't say anything about what this means.
I think it means you can't come back into the country. It has
nothing to do with traveling around the world. And revoking
it sounds like your his passport flew out of his bag. You have no
passport. Now all of a sudden he still has a passport. This is a
very weaknesses messaging. And I'm not quite sure if it's
really intentional, but it feels like it.
No, I am 100% with you on this. It feels like it because I
noticed this meme coming up over and over. Oh, his passport was
revoked. Oh, how can the Russians let him go? His
passport was revoked. Obviously, they have no concern for the
rule of law. By the way our economic hitman has some stuff
coming in on the Syrian situation. And apparently
according to his people, his story his milieu the the Syria
has long stance I don't have all the details but as long since
been a proxy war, not about pipelines, but pipelines are
part of it. But there's even more to it than that but as a
proxy war with the United States and Russia using Syria as the
you know, and the China's
drugs must be involved
I don't know but there's something going on he was in the
US Senate from the phone he's on the move. Really he's always on
Wait a minute
wait a minute. You didn't answer the call Did you did you went on
a call or do you turn on the scrambler i How'd you get in
touch was
a was a text message oversight.
Oh no.
Yeah, I figured you know they've been you know they just do this
anyway routine.
Did he use code? Like
no code? No code. Oh, god.
No, you're kidding me. Now
it's just fine. Because it's only apparently that if you're
using encryption, the latest word is meant to be
same for me. Yeah.
If you use encryption or Tor then you actually are targeted.
Yeah, because you must have something to hide. That's right.
That's exactly
it. Oh, well had a jingle for that too. Hold on a second.
Where is Oh my goodness. Wow, this I've so many so many cool
jingles to play for us to do this one.
Could you hear that over the Skype?
It was it was hard to understand.
Someone told me where the hell was Snowden because Oh, I knew
it was a little bit.
Am I Am I over modulating? No.
It was it was coming through There is a bell it's just like
it was muffled Wow. Okay as a as a production thing I don't think
it's used well, it's
not I mean, you know, this is our producers you know they just
throw stats like this
John Kerry mass the Snowden
is David Bowie sending in some tracks for us
this time you pass the song so the laws secrets now the drones
are here because you and you yo yoing by rules
are well intended. Yes. So it were just said the word so good.
caught myself. That's a positive sign. I kept saying amazing a
couple of times, not to not today. No, no, I'm at the dinner
table. Oh, I'm sad to the point that we got the dinner table and
it has no rules. So
it's gotten so Mickey and I are catching each other on it now.
So so so so so far, Lottie dough where were we? Then we're all
going to hell in a handbasket.
Carolina's Lindsey Graham was among the Republican
supporters, you will be
paying taxes. You're gonna have the pleasure of getting no the
IRS like the rest of us. Welcome to America.
Just want to make sure we got that in there. Well, no, I
think that that Anderson Cooper has is kind of on the Snowden
side of the equation, because I'm kind of keeping tabs on
these guys. What do you mean? What do you mean? Sorry?
What do you mean on the Snowden side?
Well, he's on the Snowden grant Glenn Greenwald side because he
was had Greenwald on this
was, Is he playing the gay card? Is this like, Can this? Oh,
I didn't think of that. Could be? Well, he definitely is
defendant. Greenwald. I have a couple of clips that I will talk
about the real sleaze ball, which is Peter King Lear,
apparently, Greenwald of threatening the country by by he
says he was going to out all the CIA agents around the world. How
about time, and I never said that. But Peter King says he
should be jailed immediately. And so this was kind of
upsetting to Greenwald.
This is King part one. Yeah, play King part
one, you get a little feeling for
it. On Fox News. He went even further when he was talking to
Megan Kelly. He said that Glenn Greenwald, who writes for The
Guardian should be prosecuted because he is also because he
threatened to reveal the identities of CIA agents and
other personnel operating around the world. We've researched
this, we've found absolutely no evidence that Glenn Greenwald
has ever said that. And in fact, we're going to talk to Glenn
Greenwald right now from The Guardian. Hey, girl, Glenn,
Congressman King is saying You are threatening to disclose
names of CIA agents and officers and other personnel around the
world and says that's a direct attack on America. And that's a
reason why you should be prosecuted. I haven't found any
quote where you have threatened this. And the congressman's
office hasn't responded to our request for proof you actually
said this. So just for the record, have you or are you
threatening to disclose the names of CIA agents and officers
around the world?
Yeah, the reason you haven't found that Anderson is because
it doesn't exist. I was really staggered that a United States
Congressman, the chairman of the House, Homeland Security
Committee, actually could go on national television and make up
an accusation literally fabricated out of whole cloth.
Really, you were stunned by this Glenn.
Done that. deep place a good wash done
that this can happen. Really? This? You were just
flabbergasted.
I think he's doing it for a guy who I tend to have been set up
for this whole thing. I think he's been playing this as better
than I could. Yeah, I annulling it. Well, I would have been
slapped flabbergast or what's flustered, he's not
flustered. Yeah, I would have been just so done by now. I'm
like, Okay, I've done the look. Act One, two and three are over.
Yeah, no, he's saying it in. There's like, this is his prison
book, more than 15 minutes of fame. Now, the one that really
got me, and it's was and I've actually correspond with some
people, but Sorkin, Andrew Ross Sorkin, who's on CNBC, another
journalist from the New York Times, saying that Greenwald
should be prosecuted or maybe arrested, which is a funny thing
for a journalist to say about a journalist I mean, to David
Gregory.
It's an outrage. It's an outrage. It is an outrage for
total journalists. talk this way, you're not a journalist, if
you say that,
and let me I want to play these two clips because first he says
this Then the next day, apparently he got a lot of flack
from everybody, and so he apologizes. And the reason that
I want to play the apology is because there is no apology. I
think he's one of the great things to deconstruct. It's got
performative, it's got all the crap. And he never says, I'm
sorry, Glen, play the first word, he actually calls for his
arrest.
Let's talk about some of the headlines. The big one this
morning. There is heavy security this morning in Moscow airport
today National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden. Yep, he's
there. There is speculation he is planning to fly to Havana on
route to Ecuador. The government of Ecuador has confirmed it is
considering an asylum application for Snowden. He
faces American espionage charges now after he admitted to
revealing classified documents and I gotta say, this is we've I
feel like a we've screwed this up to even let him get to Russia
be clearly the Chinese hate us to even let him out of the
country. I mean, that says something. Russia hated us. And
we knew that beforehand, but that's sort of right. And now, I
don't know. And then my second piece of this, I told you this
in the greenroom, I would arrest him and now I almost arrest
Glenn Greenwald, who's the journalist who seems to be out
there on what he wants to help them get to Ecuador or whatever
is I mean, it's almost like a hole and, and then wickedly
diplomatic issue as well.
He's also just throwing stuff out there. And WikiLeaks and
snow cones Well,
he's also on the on the, on the, on the bubble here that show
that he does he was moved to CNBC to take over Erin Burnett
spot. And he that that ratings have tanked. And there's lots of
stories about how they want to get rid of him. So he's, I
think, just grasping at straws trying to be mr. personality by
seeing their wiki leaks. Yeah, and then they have them and then
the panels they get out there the other people that are there,
there's one woman or like an old black woman. So it's ridiculous.
So the next day he realizes he's an idiot for saying this. And so
he does this apology and I want you to listen to this every word
of this apology, because he's apologizing. He's not apology.
He says he regrets saying it. But to
address something that I said actually, about Snowden.
performative. Number one, let me address something right off the
bat. I won't stop the clip anymore. I just want to say that
I heard her right there.
address something that I said actually about Snowden
yesterday, in relation to that Snowden story. And Glenn
Greenwald, The Guardian journalist who broke the Snowden
story, I put my foot in my mouth, and I'm sorry about this
when I veered into hyperbole and suggested that he almost be
arrested. That was the quote, and I have to say it didn't come
out. Right. And I misspoke. I'm sorry, I said it that way. And
I'm sorry, I said it. I didn't realize actually, the way I said
it until later when I saw the clip. Just a little context or
another was some media around this. I was trying, as we did in
another segment to raise a question not about the legality
of publishing, but leaked information about the NSA, but
about the implications if a journalist aided someone like
Snowden in trying to evade authorities on the run, and what
that would all mean, and I overstep with my language, let
me be clear, just a couple of things here, I believe, of
course, in the First Amendment in transparency, and of course,
investigative journalism, like the reports about the NSA
programs, and I think there are fair and important questions to
be asked about the government and our privacy on this ongoing
story. But I also think they're fair questions to be asked about
Snowden himself, and the role of the media but all my comments
about Greenwald, I regret it. You know, we do live TV for
three hours every single day. And sometimes we make a mistake,
say things. We don't mean and we hope that when we do we
acknowledge it and correct it. And I wanted to do that here on
this program. Yeah.
Okay. Well, regretting it is something different than
apologizing. I agree. There's something different there. And
what is that awful music? If they if they stopped the music?
Maybe they get some ratings feel? Is this just super
annoying? Super annoying. And this guy is a dick.
She totally will dig in David Gregory who got eviscerated
chip, chip, chip Gregory who got eviscerated by apparently Frank
Rich, who wrote I think in New York Magazine, and Frank Rich's
considered the columnist, columnist, he is the top of the
heap.
Oh, no, no wonder I don't know who he is.
Yes, of course. But if you were a writer, you know who he is.
And he just essentially said that David Gregory is not a
journalist. And he's not he's a clown douche. And when you play
that David Gregory click the last show, which is the one
where he's calling out. Greenwald. Yeah, you didn't play
the second one, which was later in the show, and he's with a
bunch of creeps that are all in the same boat. Oh, you know,
this is terrible. We know we should trust our government more
but I want to play this clip because this is his apology,
kind of and it's not an apology in any way. He's essentially
gloating over the fact that he's gotten attention.
You know, part of the tactics of this and part of the Data is,
frankly around journalism. And Glenn Greenwald referenced it.
When I asked him a question about whether he should or will
face charges, which has been raised. And, you know, I want to
acknowledge there is a debate on Twitter that goes on online
about this, even as we're speaking. And here's what
Greenwald has tweeted after his appearance this morning, who
needs the government to try to criminalize journalism when you
have David Gregory to do it? And I want to directly take that on
because this is the problem, who is somebody who claims that he's
a journalist who would object to a journalist raising questions,
which is not actually embracing any particular point of view?
Did he? Did he just go meta? Did he just go? Yes. You said that I
submit to you because he said that I said that I didn't say
that I said it. Did he really say something that I said or
not.
And that's part of the tactics of the debate here, when in
fact, lawmakers have questioned him. There's a question about
his role in this. The Guardians role in all of this, it is
actually part of the debate, rather than going after the
questioner he could take on the issues. And he had an
opportunity to do that here on Meet the Press. What is
journalism, Mike Murphy, and what is appropriate is actually
part of this debate.
Absolutely. And the great irony to me is this so called
whistleblower, can only go to almost rogue nations to hide
because anywhere there's rule of law, he'd get extradited. He's a
felon. He's a fugitive. It's a bad sign for Hong Kong that has
built an image of having its own independence from the PRC, with
its own system, a law that's up in smoke today. And that's going
to have repercussions on our relationship, I think with the
Chinese so we'll see what happens he's may wind up on the
run in Caracas, but it's clear he's a phone and a fugitive and
you will not have a good life. Okay, here's here's what do you
mean, sounds like
Mike Murphy is a Republican stooge should be ashamed of
himself. This man is not a felon. How do you become a felon
by being convicted?
Yeah, he's had his day in court. So how's he a felon? Yeah, a
felon and a fugitive. This guy should be ashamed of himself.
This is the kind of guy that sits there on on on the Meet the
Press show saying this sort of thing. And, and Gregory says
nothing about it, you know, so called whistleblowers, a felon
and a fugitive. And he goes on and on and nothing, nobody stops
him. And the other guys all round the whole table are a
bunch of dogs. The whole group was a huge group of douchebags,
and there's all they were there just thinking they were making
points with I don't know who, but by the way, just to mention
one thing. I was part of the show, because one of the things
I do is under beauty contest guy, and I dismiss that is what
you do. It's what I do. And there was I saw I caught this
and I really didn't report on because it was all in Spanish.
But I saw the Miss Venezuela. Yeah, the MS. Venezuela the
competition. I don't know what it was on the Dish Network, but
it was if a if the Snowden has a clue, he'd go to Venezuela. I
would say that this was this was the book. There were like 50 of
the most it was
Stunning. Stunning. Stunning. Yeah, but let me check. Miss
Venezuela. Did you record it?
Now? This is just like months and months ago. Images from
Miss Venezuela. I add this and they're all built dogs. Oh my
goodness. Ah. Oh, wow. I know what I want for my 50th
birthday.
Miss Venezuela? Give me
Give me the one who got the poodle prize. I don't care. Like
that. What do you call it when you last? They have a word for
that. That's Dutch poodle prize. It's the give me the door prize.
Anything? Wow, that's pretty amazing. Now Mickey's gonna come
home like I've heard that I heard is that a problem?
Oh, honey. Anyway, so these guys are just really Hi.
Can I make an observation about this? Yeah, go ahead. Okay, so
Oh, god I did a really long one that was bad the American public
and the European public Europe is now we have Europe saying
hey, ah Dutch built is saying hey, the American spied on the
on on EU parliament members, the Dutch and the Germans and the
and all these countries are handing over information this
one big spy network every every every government everything the
whole thing is everyone's spying on everybody. And the population
in general is mad. They're they don't care that embarrass close
to bad. They don't care. They don't care.
That you gotta you said the beginning of the show,
man. I'm mad. It's close to bad. They really really don't care.
Okay. And, and, you know, I see things in the chat room. People
say hey, you know, Snowden is waking people up. I'm sorry.
No, he's not what didn't know anybody? No, it's not
it's not true, it is not true. And what's happening is the
corporate owned media. And the little pieces don't make up, you
know that much individually. But together, it's kind of the wall
of information that and I'll talk about a little bit later on
to talk about some local stuff here in Austin. And, and people
don't really know, the Analyze stuff, the way we do it. And
they just take these bits and pieces, and all these media
outlets to just copy each other and it's copying of copying. And
before you know it, you've got Kanye, right. And it can't be
undone. You know, it just can't be undone. And that's the way it
is. And it's fact and it's the truth, and that's what it is.
And people do not care in general, the thing that it's
uncovering for me personally, and I have a little clip here
about the the generals and admirals, as something that I
didn't really realize what this chip Gregory thing and all these
guys, it is showing you the elite structure, the elite,
political, military, media industrial complex, really, it's
legal to put the lawyers in there somewhere as well. But the
politicians are kind of lawyers these days. And they have
nothing but one big frickin party one big group, and it's
all who's above who and who's got the bigger jet and who's got
the more cars and the entourage. And you can see this, I was
always under the impression till I saw this, this report that
when when we when I grew up, I'd be like, Hey, man, he's a five
star general. I thought a five star general meant you know,
someone you get you get medals for stuff, but then you know,
you've like, you know, like you've beaten enemies with your
bare hands. You know, you've like, jumped out of airplanes
without parachutes. You've led your men into battle. I thought
that was like an award. That turns out it's a job
description.
This is generals roll a line of luxurious mansions in a corner
of Washington. Were some of the military's top brass call home.
Today's Navy has nearly as many admirals as it does ships.
There's been an explosion of perks and officers to enjoy
them.
What's it going to look like? If somebody sees you staying in the
Ritz Carlton, you know for four days and doing one hours worth
of work.
The Pentagon is still struggling to reduce the number of stars
nearly 1000 generals and admirals, even as DOD civilians
prepare for furloughs. Meanwhile, the number of
enlisted soldiers and Marines is been slashed since the year
2000. The ranks of generals have been swelling, especially at the
top, the number of three and four stars rose by 20%. The more
stars the more they earn up to $180,000. And they're surrounded
by an entourage of speech writers, schedulers and
security, even a personal chef, and in some cases, their own $60
million jet. I get the four star running NATO needs a Gulfstream
because he's got to have a plane to get around Europe but but
he's not the only one.
There is also Gulfstream attached to assign to, if you
will, the Secretary of the Army Chief of Staff of the arm of the
undersecretary of the army and the Vice Chief of Staff for the
army.
Former Pentagon budget official Raymond Dubois says the Pentagon
needs to stop creating expensive four star slots for every new
command.
Did you know any of this? Yeah, I knew all this. I mean, really,
when it's in your face like that.
Now, probably nothing I think about but yeah, and then gotta
control and
then take into account that you've got Nancy Pelosi flying
on her own jet. You've got watermelon head flying on his
jet. The Obamas fly to jets. Everyone's got a 747 Everyone's
got a jet everyone's got an entourage everyone's got
$1,000 a year plus personal
pocket money pocket money pocket money,
right? Because they get all these perks, perks or at least a
million dollars a year for each one of these guys. And
they and that's all one big douchebag elite circle. And this
is I'm thinking it's about time we blow up Washington DC. I'm
sorry. We'll have we'll have some poor door coming. I'm
sorry. We'll have some we'll have some poor people who die in
the process but really and and so now so it's gotten so bad and
I have to think a lot of this is coming from the White House
directly and not from from the new President Obama the new
invigorated guy. It's Valerie Jarrett is the Chicago mobsters
whatever connection it is they first this like oh, you really
watch what we do now and they got and they got betray us. And
they screw that guy. They scream, you know, I'm not and he
was a douche bag here. 18 motorcycle motorcade, you know,
he was part of the big thing was like, Oh, you're not gonna play
by our rules. You're not gonna protect our ass and Benghazi,
watch what we do with you. Okay, boom, you're out that and just
to show everyone just to show everyone that you know what you
want to think you can get out? You think you can just drop out
and then you're out? I don't think so.
There is more tonight and a story we broke here last night.
It's about retired Marine Corps General James Cartwright, who
was this country's second ranking military official, and
how he's being investigated in connection with leaking
information about a secret US cyber attack against Iran.
Now this report, John, I want to play the rest of it. I don't
know what you thought. I thought, wow, they are messaging
something really big here. This is a message because it was the
White House themselves who leaked this. But the message is,
we can screw anybody did you get that?
No, I didn't. I thought you're gonna play another clip. No,
no, no, I My question is did you get that? Did you get that
message from what they're doing with Cartwright with hos?
No, I can't say that. I did. But I think I think you might be
right. Why don't you just yeah,
I'll play the rest of the clip and then you play the thing. And
let me now remember the story broke. NBC is taking credit for
it. NBC is of course the White House and electric General
Electric blah, blah, blah. And we know the insiders insiders.
NBC News National investigative correspondent Michael isikoff
continues is reporting tonight.
General Cartwright retired from the Marine Corps in August 2011
After nearly 40 years of service, and Cartwright
continued to serve appointed to the Defense Policy Board and
elite Pentagon advisory panel with top secret security
clearance. But last January, Cartwright resigned out of the
blue a board member tells NBC News citing health reasons and
the press of business. Legal Sources tell NBC News if the FBI
was already investigating Cartwright suspecting him of
leaking highly classified secrets about a covert US cyber
attack using a computer virus called Stuxnet on Iran's nuclear
program. A car rights spokesman said his resignation was
unrelated. Late today Cartwright's lawyer Gregory
Craig's said in a statement, General Jim Cartwright is an
American hero served his country with distinction for four
decades, any suggestion that he could have betrayed the country
he loves is preposterous. Attorney General Eric Holder
wasn't talking on the investigation in general. Car
Ryan was known as a politically savvy general, with backchannel
contacts at the White House, where he worked closely with top
aides, even helping select the targets for drone strikes. But
his real Mark was in developing the country's future military
needs in cyberspace.
I'm telling you, this is a message that nothing's going to
happen to the guy but this is a message
that would have been probably the message. I think you're
right about what he did something they had. And I bet
that there was an even I bet that they actually get him to
resign, because instead of making a stink, which you could
do, they pulled out the old blackmail thing. And they
probably find He's like one of those guys who probably screwing
around with one of his secretaries. And the NSA just
pulled his file, pull all those old phone calls, put that brand
and program to show the connections that there it is,
and then they went over to her and threatened ERISA. Look. Did
you screw card, right? Yeah. Okay, good. And then you shut up
now. And then they went and they told him to? I mean, this is,
this is what this is all about. Yes, this pulpit and in fact,
there was a good article in one of the, the online magazines
about one of these old stuff 71 year old colonel, as in the
Stasi, the German police. And he said two things that were
interesting one, he says, if we had this kind of capability,
could we do some serious damage? It would be great. We went to
war. And then he says, Then he says, though this is, you know,
East Germany and the communists, he then he says, There is no way
that you collect all this information and not use it. He
says you always use course course. And if people don't
realize that this collection of all their everything they do
isn't going to be used against them if they want to get you I
mean, you obviously yeah, most of you. People listen to the
show and just nothing's going to happen because they don't care
about you. But if for some reason somebody and it could be
a bureaucrat you crossed or somebody you look cross eyed at,
they want to go after you they'll find a way and they can
just take stuff out of context and put a dossier together, but
I've kept somebody following you around.
I've had this happen. This happened to me. In the
Netherlands. We've been through this several times. And they
humiliated me and call To me a cheat and a tax cheat and a
liar, and you're screwing my partners and, and, you know, I
went through a year of bull crap. And then finally, you
know, when I when the judge ruled that I was right, you
know, like they had to they had to publicly issue an apology.
That was never printed, of course. No fun. Before we go
into our next topic,
I will before we Yeah, I also like one more Greenwald thing I
want to do. Sure. So Greenwald went before, before I do, let me
preface it with this. And by the way, look for the cadence tell
me that when you hear this woman, this is the meeting
called socialism. 2013. Then tell me when you hear this woman
introducing the session, the session in front of the audience
of 2013 Tell me that you don't hear a cadence, a specific
cadence that you've heard elsewhere. And I'll just tip it
off by saying microphone, mic check. I'm sorry, but Mic check,
check. This is the way the woman opens. She's up at a mic. This
is the audience is sitting there. And she instead of saying
hello, everybody, I'm so and so and I've ever listened to this.
My name is Sherry. Whoa, you're
this is the socialism 2013 conference, a weekend of
revolutionary politics, debate and entertainment.
I can't wait to hear what the entertainments gonna
be like. So she's yelling? Like Mic check. Mic check. My name is
Sherry. Well,
I think someone actually said that when she when she yelled, I
think someone said my name. Oh, whoops. Let me play the opening.
And I think someone actually started to say it.
Good evening. My name is Sherry. Whoa.
I can hear you. Oh, good.
I think you're right. Oh, whoops. One too many Greenwood.
Greenwald was on. And I have to say he was on it's through Skype
at this meeting. And he was trying to be humorous, but he
did say something that I thought was actually quite interesting.
And this is this is it? It's it's Cooper Canyon greenwall.
No, no, no, this is army I'm sorry. Army blocks. Greenwald
got it got
a lot of journalists and editors on the like, have debates about
what the most prestigious journalism award is? Is it a
Polk award, or a Peabody or a Pulitzer. And those are
definitely all prestigious awards. But I actually think the
one that we got yesterday is a significant level above them
all. And I'm very humbled and honored to have received this
award. The US Army announced yesterday that it was blocking
access at all army facilities across the world to the garden.
Wow, we get blocked by Google all the time. Our award is
bigger than that.
Is Well, the point is is that we have the army arm of the
government while we moan and groan about China.
Yeah, I mean, the reasoning and I've seen people who sent me
many people have sent me the notices they've received because
it's all part of the same shirt rod because some of the
documents that are published in these articles are considered to
be top secret they have no clearance to view them. So yeah,
we're totally China Russia. This is what our immigration lawyer
told you we are in we are living see i Ohio Ohio.
We are at and when we play those clips from that caucus that was
discussing with the with the congressional aides, all these
interesting issues like the 50 bogus things that ever happened
to prevent terror that one of the guys I didn't I don't know
if I clipped it or not. But one of the guys said said I know you
can't read the Guardian because apparently the congressional
staff can't read. They can't read they're apparently sparked.
Really? That's what he implied. Clark sorry, Clark implied that
no no one of these guys that we're giving the member that
that all these guys that were in front of the congressional aide,
right?
The party where everyone's it's, it's stacked with all these
people.
Right? And so one of the guys implied that I know you can't
read the Guardian because of that. And he just casually said
it I guess everyone who watched it knows that because you don't
have an iPhone
Killer so you don't have an iPhone. You can't read the
guardian.
They just find the whole
Glenn Greenwald's new name was Clark. Clark Greenwald. Yeah,
this is a pop cultural reference. I don't know if you
get it. I don't Clark Griswold. National Lampoon's holiday He
has a pretty old old reference. Yeah, Griswold I remember him.
Yeah. Chevy Chase playing the bonehead dad.
Yeah. Okay, well, I guess we'll just buzz myself off for that.
I think so. Yeah. Before we
go to thanking some of our supporters for the program, I
have finally found the actual language from stret
travel.state.gov, who are in charge of your Passport,
passport, restrictive action and future passport information.
denial or revocation of a passport does not prevent the
use of an outstanding valid passport. Passport revocation
may be effected when the person obtained the passport
fraudulently. When the passport was issued an error on the
passport certificate of naturalization. naturalization
was cancelled by a federal court or when the person would not be
entitled to a new passport. The physical revocation of a
passport is often difficult and an apparently valid passport can
be used for travel until officially taken by an arresting
officer or by a court. In other words, it's meaningless. Wait a
minute, wait, it gets better. revocations are coordinated with
the Department of Justice and the requesting agency. A
passport will not be revoked when the whereabouts of the
bearer is unknown. Ah, hello.
Wow, now that's the price of admission.
Right? Yeah, I'll read that to you. Again, this is from the
State Department. revocations are coordinated with the
Department of Justice and the requesting agency. So that would
in this case be DOJ, NSA, I presume or DOD, a passport will
not be revoked when the whereabouts of the bearer is
unknown. When there is a passport hit on an individual
within the United States based on the request, the interested
law enforcement agency will be informed with the person's
address so that an arrest can be made. So the way they're playing
this, first of all, it can't be done according to their own
rules. So they break their own rules. It's all
these guys that are pontificating about where he's
lost his passport now he can't go anywhere. No, it means
nothing because that literally saying that, that a revoke
passport means nothing. It'll you can use it as a valid
passport.
And he could get out of China the way he did. Yes. And the
only the only point wasn't that PRC sneaking them out.
The only point of the revocation is when you enter the United
States when you re enter you'll be arrested. That's an they call
it a hit literally in this document. When there's a
passport hit in quotes. Aha, that's Hillary's old gang who
wrote this I'm sure so bullshit.
Lay the bullshit. Yeah. Bullshit.
I'm gonna show my son moved by donations and no agenda. Imagine
all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun
does it take to look this stuff up? Did it while we were
talking? Yeah, I know you were doing something because you
weren't paying much attention to me but you're digging away on a
podcast on the fly on a while we're doing the show and these
guys with all their staffs on a podcast no less Hello, podcasts
and podcasts all their staffs. They can't even look something
up and question there on there's David Dick Gregory. And he could
say, well, how do they revoke his passport when it's clear?
You can't really do that. Nobody asks
no because they're reading the memo because it comes directly
from the Ministry of Truth we shouldn't
prove this is this horrible what you were situation where in this
in all your years, John and all your 59 years? Have you ever
felt this bad about the situation at hand?
There's nothing like it's nothing to compare it to? Well,
that could be good, good the way you say it could be a good
thing.
So we have some people to thank for the show. To five to $650
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He says that he agrees with that. He says you The recent
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We're going to talk about that right after the break, by the
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Well, yes. Well
being played. It's no one's talking about it.
You mean people actually hitting pictures of him with their
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Oh, how about that NSA spying on you?
Man,
man, man, another one over there. Another Bruce.
And that's when you get to strike. I had to call AT and T
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annoying. So I call and the guy's like, hey, what can I do
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Do you want how many? How much data do you want?
You definitely turn off the data when you're overseas. But she
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It won't work and have an unlocked phone.
Okay, I'm not I'm not going to play this game with you. Okay,
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want to did you have something you wanted
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mood just
to piss me off?
Good this'll work so did you see Bill Maher this now Bill Maher
you know
I don't watch him I don't watch I don't watch television I'm
done you're gonna
like this she's so play it there's actually two of them
right this one is a little smile when they had a climate change
guy on and it was kind of weird to listen to this clip where
where the guy word Maher asked the guy or is it too late? Is it
too late? We're all gonna die and the guy says no, it's not
too late and more in the background goes Oh good. It's
just like cheese. What is wrong?
Is that the one I gotta play? We'll play that
one for just best a teaser for the one that you're gonna get a
kick out of probably can achieve that if
he actually implements the everything he laid out and
he said he said the time I love this quote he said that the time
for waiting for the Flat Earth Society to adjourn is over.
That's the kind of red meat I like to eat up but you know, is
it too late? I mean, the time he was talking about No, not too
late.
It is not too late. Great. We absolutely have within our power
to limit rate change to tolerable level. It's like
it's always like Will they still have chocolate shakes at the at
the Burger King? Yes. Oh great.
Okay, so now this is the one this is going to make you Mar
Mar MA MA Yes. What? Mar
alright, I bring this up because besides the heroic Wendy Davis
there were two stories in the news last week dealing with
teenage sex and just to be safe the evatik initiative denial
you'll get one story was about Plan B. That's the morning after
pill that's the the FDA says is safer than Motrin, and which any
American can now buy over the counter just like milk and ammo.
And because it's a birth control pill, it will prevent abortions.
Now the other story was about the vaccine for HPV, which is
the STD that leads to cervical cancer and how that vaccine
since its introduction in 2006, has reduced teenage infections
by 56%. All good news, right? Wrong. No overrun family values
world. Things like Plan B and the HPV vaccine are bad because
they remove God's natural intended punishments for slot to
put.
A be saddled with a baby you don't want or be stricken with a
horrible disease. You don't think that's how these people
think then tell me why conservatives always couched
their objections to the HPV vaccine in parental rights, but
never complain about other state mandated vaccines their kids
have to get why not throw a shit fit About the measles vaccine,
or mumps, rubella, whooping cough chickenpox, because you
don't get those diseases from screwing or yodeling and the
Kenyan
laugh track by the way, total laugh track
they do not want a vaccine for HPV because that's the good kind
of cancer that makes Huskies think twice about going all the
way and it's terrible. Ron Paul, a fucking doctor said this
vaccine which prevents 1000s of cases of a fatal disease was
quote, not good medicine. And Michelle Bachman said it caused
mental retardation per source, the New England Journal of a
lady who stopped me on the street and told me yes,
Republicans actually think this vaccine encourages girls to have
sex because now there are no consequences. Just the way when
I got my first tetanus shot, I couldn't wait to jab rusty nails
into my brain. It was a freebie.
I knew you'd love it.
He is the first on the train. He's got a first class ticket.
Yeah, I can't even get into how ask
Hey, John, five years. You knew you I
love the way the guy does. He takes it's just like so for it's
like he's on Mars or Neptune with his analysis. This is why
his analysis then
But then the laugh track or not the result is the same. The
audience is like, oh, and then the hatred for people who have a
different opinion. And the science is in and you're a moron
and Okay, so this this leads me into what he's he started off
with the heroic Wendy Davis.
Yes, I knew that you could make a new segue. Yeah, so thank you.
It's almost like we planned this, which of course we didn't.
Because now
I don't have to. I'm still universe plans.
I'm still picking my jaw up from the floor. After that clip I
need I'm going to recompose myself by playing a little
medley of your mainstream media and the heroic Wendy Davis.
Senator, state senator in Tejas
was alive and unfolding political drama A woman who
chose to make a stand in front of her fellow lawmakers and a
viewing audience that grew based on word of mouth and social
media. It went on until the early hours of this morning and
the Texas State Senate and by the time it was over, a lot of
people knew the name Wendy Davis. report tonight from NBC
is Chris Jansen.
The raucous cheers from the Texas State House Capitol long
dramatic session that had started almost 13 hours earlier.
Democrats were fighting to build they said would close 37 of the
state's 42 abortion clinics Republican said it would make
them safer and expected a win. Then came Senator Wendy Davis.
I'm rising on the floor today,
in an elegant white suit and comfy pink sneakers. The
marathon began. Hundreds in the gallery and lined up outside
erupted hoping to stall the vote Brahmi out attempts to pass the
bill. By then nearly 200,000 viewers have logged into a live
stream of the event. Amid the chaos the bill didn't get signed
in time, an unexpected victory for a woman who had defied
expectations before a single mother of two who graduated with
honors from Harvard Law School. And today, a rising political
star.
Now what I want to talk about today, because I follow this,
and this, of course happened over a week ago, and I've done a
lot of thinking about this a lot of talking to people and I was
trying to figure out why it bothered me so much. And it
starts off with I love protests. I love it when people get
raucous. And there you see the video. There were hundreds of
people inside the Capitol here at the Capitol building. And you
know, yelling and screaming, and I love this. But I have to say
You are nothing more than a bunch of icon changers and
you're pathetic. And I'll tell you why. When you hear all the
news reports about this particular bill, Senate Bill
five, and I have to ask you, John, what is your impression
that this bill is about? I know you haven't read it? I have of
course. Yeah. What is your impression of the bill and the
controversy surrounding it?
Well, you know, this is funny because I didn't think much
about this whole thing or the bill. It's just seems like a
Texas bill. It was about Texas in this Wendy Davis has gotten a
little attention for herself. I thought she was just a publicity
seeker. And I didn't look into my if it just just from what I
got from the mainstream media, although again, I said I didn't
even bother with it. Was that close some abortion clinics? And
it was they hate women in Texas or something that's about all
like that's that's
it right. So the protests, and it was interesting that the that
all of the news reports only bring up the closure of, of
clinics. And the reason why.
And by the way, there's by the way, no, there are that many
clinics there, but okay,
well, and it's also this is a meme that has been propagated,
there is no to my knowledge, actual calculation of how many
clinics would close someone said, Oh, if you implement these
rules, and the rules are certain standards for the for the
clinics, and they end predominant, they have to be
within 30 miles of a hospital. And therefore a number of them
would have to close unless of course they I don't know, like
improve their situation. So but that's not what these people
were protesting. That's what's interesting about this, because
I'm so convinced that and this is a lot of battleground Texas
Women, you know, the ones like that,
right, which I signed up for their newsletter, and I started
getting it. And then the next thing you know, I even signed up
because it's horrible. Right? Spammers, right? So a
lot of battleground Texas Women were there. They were all saying
men, particularly Republican men stay out of my womb. And so they
weren't they there's like, you want to control our bodies
control when we want to have an abortion, and you want to make
it impossible for us to have an abortion. And I'm looking at
okay, I have to read this bill, what is in this because all I'm
hearing from women around me who have not read the bill, who only
get their information from mainstream media, data funded
Republicans, they want to tell me what happened, bam, you're
not. Okay, you're angry, I get it. You don't like men telling
you what to do. So the bill, it specifies very clearly. And
that's part two of the bill. By the way, it's almost a minor
part about what that a clinic has to adhere to certain
standards, which I think is kind of fair. But you know, there's
all of this pontification that because of the proximity, it'll
have to be you know, they're gonna have to close so many. But
look, you can drive anywhere in Texas in a day. You know, if so,
if you if you get an A boy, I mean, we we truly in the stone
age's in Texas, that the distance you have to draw and
people in Texas drive for days to get anywhere, that if you
really feel you need an abortion, I mean, it's okay.
It's for some reason, this is a problem. I'll give you that. The
main part of the bill was about the and this goes, this goes to
the core, the core of the argument in America, Roe versus
Wade, etc. is when is human life a life? At what point is a life
a human being? And does that human being or life have rights,
and I was astounded to find that what was being proposed was a 20
week cut off. That's five months. I was Wow. So what and
this is Texas, I'm like this is this is supposed to be the most
hick, redneck crazy ass Republican state in the
universe. And they're actually saying, Well, if you want to
have an abortion, after five months of being pregnant, you've
had five months. And typically you don't announce a pregnancy
until three months, but then five, I remember when when when
my ex wife was pregnant, five months, this, we were talking to
this did this thing like it was a kid, five months is a big
deal. I personally feel that then, you know, there's
something that has rights, but that's it's kind of irrelevant
five months. And they're not saying it's forbidden. Not
saying that at all. They're saying, you know, then we have
to have some questions. You know, there has to be some
really good reasons. If you've been pregnant for five months,
about five months to do this. Now women are get insane when
you lease these women, when you when you put any type of
restriction on it. And I personally, you know, I've
changed my views throughout the years. I'm thinking, Well, you
know, if you really look at pure human rights, you know, the
Human Rights start when you pop out of the womb, when does it
start earlier? But that's my personal conviction doesn't
matter. The problem I have is that here are these icon
changers who go there, and they're supporting their
mythical hero, Wendy Davis, and hurdle shoes. You go look at the
Amazon review for the shoes like 1000 comments and one's more
hilarious than the next. And I'm like, where is the protest for
all the real outrage in this country? And why are you not why
do I not see you come out for that you come on for this you
spend 10 hours of your day, hooting and hollering about
something that you really is is very manageable I believe. And
you go home and you change your icon and you tweet tear Sarah
Palin and she's an idiot. But do you ever complain about the
other things that happen with your body and your reproductive
rights? Do you ever protest about the fluoride and other
crap they're putting in your water which directly affects
your your child or can even give you spontaneous abortions?
Genetically Modified shifting your food? Can trails you being
sprayed like bugs? And then what if you do decide to have a
child? Do do you go out there and protest for the actual
vaccinations and a host like Bill Maher who are telling you,
you did stick your children with all kinds of crap that they
absolutely do not need? Do you ever look at what really could
be beneficial would not be beneficial. Or then you send
your kid to school and you give them psychotropic drugs like
Adderall and all this other crap as it could be in the slave
training institutions we call schools and then to add insult
to injury because you're so a pathetic about the economy and
the society that you're part of and your mental attitude towards
everything else except some icon changing event. You allow your
kids to take a job and the only place that still offers a jobs,
which is the military, so they can get their shit blown off or
fighting some other futurists kids in the fucking sand.
Where's all the writing and campaigning for that? See?
So this is the one you've been sitting on this little rant?
Yeah. Yeah.
makes me mad.
Yeah, like it was you didn't seem to you seem to be into it.
Ah, I feel much better now.
This is why I love doing this show.
You get it out of your system, I hope? Oh, yeah. No, it's
out of my system. I just get a little annoyed by I talked to
the chicken lady at the market. She's pretty funny. She loves
our show, by the way. And, and, and she and she's very, very no
agenda. And she said, Oh, it's so I'm so excited. I'm so sad
that Carrie and Carrie that Mitt Romney didn't win. I'm like, Are
you kidding me? So you want that eight holes present should but
then at least we'd have real protests. I'm like, Yes, that's
true. Wow, what
a great line. I said I gotta use that line. You're so you're so
right. We would have had real protests, people getting really
angry. I says no, because no, you can't offend Obama in which
is true. And I think we should probably move on to this now
that Obama, have we seen this on American television. Of course
it is on our T
US president who's on his first visit to Africa since 2009, has
pledged $7 billion to help build up the shaky electric power
grids of sub Saharan countries. The move is being seen as an
effort by Washington to step in and rival China as a key
investor on the continent but Barack Obama has been met by
protesters angry at unfulfilled pledges he made last time around
Washington has slashed aid to Africa in recent years while
stepping up controversial military activity in the region.
As anti American protests spiraled out of control in
Johannesburg stung grenades and warning shots were fired by riot
police. Hundreds have also been demonstrating in Pretoria and
Cape Town, South African politician Solly my Pilar says
America's pursuit of his economic interest comes at a
heavy price for the continent.
And this is what is amazing.
The Russians are bad. Yes. And what
but what amazes me is that we so now so this is what Obama is
doing in Africa. He's gone over there. So no, I'm unveiled. So
hello, hello, poor Africans. Hello, black people. This is
totally what he's doing. Hello black people of Africa. You poor
saps. I'm bringing you electricity. We have this thing
we developed called electricity. So you and Ethiopia, Ghana and
Kenya. We're going to put you on this electricity stuff. It'll be
great. And I'm going to use the O P. I see. Yes. Have you heard
of the O P. I see John.
I want to hear about short. The Overseas Private Investment
Corporation yes.gov bongos was an American operation. Well,
it's a government operation. Yeah, government operation is O
P IC.
Let's go straight to the Board of Directors of the OPI See,
this is the economic hitmen are out of business. The government
has become the economic hitman on the board. Littlefield who's
the chair Rajiv Shah is the US AI D which is basically State
Department CIA. Ambassador, Miriam Shapiro, United States
Trade Representative. Mr. Okay, but look on the right hand side,
Kennedy, Director Kennedy enterprises, and we have CEO
Gail
foods. And then we have li visors. All
right Stonebridge Madeline Albright. Those are the economic
hitman
Demers Bleasdale Tory family office The hell's that? Look
into that one
$7 billion.
They had an AFS me. So, to me, guys
$7 billion is going to be given to American corporations to go
over there and do exactly what the Chinese had been doing for
years.
But the Chinese have been doing this for over a decade.
Yes. And so we come in with our drones in Djibouti and Djibouti
are the people
who are there protesting. Yeah,
they're like, dudes, we have the Chinese were happy. They built
the roads.
They built the infrastructure. They're built the dams, a lot of
them they don't finish so they can scan the peep. And now
you're
coming in and showing me fire and telling me it's something
beautiful.
We have something called we'll
insult. And there's and there's some professional organizations
protesting because you can see the signs. The signs are
professionally made with really good American slogans. But the
one with Obama with a Hitler mustache is hilarious. And what
do they call them? Top? Top assassin in the world. That was
a good one. We
Well, Russia. This is the Russians. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We
welcome that. And we're gonna start we're going to be on this
proxy war. I think more on this show now that as we become more
aware of some of the details, and when, when this situation
occurred in South Africa and ended up that fact that Obama
went all the way down there was snubbed by Mandela, we'll see
him Yeah. And of course, we'll start to see memes about well,
Mandela apparently was not happy about the drones about
assassinating people even Mondale is dead. Yeah, there's
gonna be all this kind of messaging going on. The Russians
are behind it all because they have given up on trying to be
our friends.
And the only good Russian is a dead Russian John, what do you
say? Yeah, sounds
right. This is exactly what we're gonna start seeing. It'll
be interesting the way they sneak it into the general
public. Eric kind Yeah, that the Russians are our enemies.
Yes. Yeah. It's so and so
starting to fool around but they're just because they can't
take it anymore. And what's the scariest thing was the end of
the line for them? That was their last port?
And have you heard about the the internet cables all around
Africa being cut? Uh, yeah, I have heard about like, every
three weeks it's called again. Yeah, so who's doing this? I
don't know. If you
look armies you got three players. You got the United
States, two Chinese who are playing coy even though they're
the ones getting that got the biggest screw job from us in
Africa and the Russians who just can't take it anymore right
Alright, so
let's play this game go to maps.google.com I did this the
other day and it just made me crazy maps.google.com And let's
just type in just for shits and giggles we'll just type in
Israel because that'll give you kind of a center point All
right, you got to zoom out all right. Excuse me zoom out from
Israel you're doing it Yeah, I'm
looking at Israel now. Okay,
zoom out so you so you know that's kind of your center point
and then you see okay, we started the top left Tunisia got
it. Then we go Libya. Got it. Then we go Egypt got it. Then we
go Israel. Got it. Let me go Jordan. Got it. Let me go Libya.
Lebanon, just about got it. There we go. Iraq. Got it.
Syria. Got it. Turkey. Got it. Do you see what's happening? Do
you see this entire ring all around the northern part of
Africa and and the and the western part of the Middle East.
It's a total ring, a total buffer zone, which is locking
out Russia and anything they want to bring from the right
hand side. Now the crazy thing, if you type in 33 North 33 east
on the map, it puts you right smack in the middle of the
leviathan gasfield.
puts me on 33 North 33rd Street San Jose,
you got to do three three and yes, that's where the Leviathan
guy
he that's the Mecca right there.
You gotta find out who this guy is.
That man, I need to shake his hand. Exactly. There's your
proxy. And this is global geopolitics on a global scale
that most people cannot imagine. Because they're and you should
anyone who's listening to this program, Count yourself like a
lucky bastard. Because you have some understanding of what's
going on in the world, despite every effort being made to
deprogram you and put in new information of important things
like, well,
Lindsay Lohan. Exactly. No, I think it's a very positive thing
for people to do. So it's kind of relaxing to know what's going
on. Even if they don't have all the Alicia No, you're not being
suckered into believing all this weird crap that they keep
throwing out there. But So anyway, this front page of The
Sunday Times when by the way, I'm killing my New York Times
subscription, so maybe take a Sunday only and I do use some of
the online resources. But it's ridiculous. You pile up
newspapers, they pile up, pile up, you don't get the read half
of this stuff. And this stuff is dumb. There's not too many
features is a bunch of dumped orders, right? So it's gone.
It's dumb.
You're right. Oh, can you put something in the book for me?
Yeah, July 12. Okay, July 12, July 12, riots in Ireland. Big,
big, big riots. To me, Northern Ireland. I'll tell you why. Of
course, by the way, I
want to mention that this coming week is the IS is FBI six weeks
cycle time. Oh, perfect.
Well, that's Fourth of July. We predicted something big on
Fourth of July, right? Yeah,
yeah, we've been predicting it for I don't know, months. That's
why we'll be live on the air.
We will stop until the FBI strikes. So the Irish if you
have not heard the tapes of Anglo bank, Fitzgerald and Bo,
these two douchebags who were sitting there laughing about
going to the Irish regulator, and saying, oh, we need 7
billion euros to plug our hole and you're we're never paying
you back ever. were put in there laughing about it. When these
tapes came out, and and there's a hashtag boy, yeah, the icon
changers at work, has a hashtag Anglo bank and jailed the
bankers. But on July 12, and we have several Irish producers out
there. Because I said, they sent me these links and I put the I'm
not gonna play it for you. It's kind of hard to hear. You can
listen to it on your own just in the show notes five to six on
nhl.com you can listen to the douchebags laughing about how
they're going to screw the public. And it turned out to be
more like 30 billion the seven was just kind of a down payment.
And I said to these producers, well, this Yeah, yeah. Wow.
Where's all the writing? Where are you? Where are your? Where's
everyone running around and, and causing a ruckus to there's not
nothing gonna happen? And they point to July 12. And if you
look at the bank of the book of knowledge, July 12, in Ireland
is already a huge ruckus day. Are you familiar with this?
Okay, so July 12, you're gonna It's just called the 1212. In
the Orange Order. I'll read from the book of knowledge. A yearly
Protestant celebration held on 12th of July, originally in
Ireland during the 18th century, celebrates the Glorious
Revolution and victory of Protestant King William of
Orange, the Dutch douche over a Catholic King James a second. So
what happens is everyone parades around in their colors up there
in Northern Ireland, and they always there's always some
kerfuffle and some fighting prediction. July 12, will be a
massive, massive protest in Northern Ireland. And with a
little bit of luck, it'll all just be about killing bankers.
I'm just hope I'm just hopeful. I'm in jail. I'm sorry that I
say kill. I'm sorry. I'm in jail, the bankers and it could
just be a massive hashtag. Because that's pretty much par
for the typical citizen of the universe these days.
Yeah, man.
Man, hashtag man. Ah, okay. I think you must have something I
know I got a couple of fillers. Let's not bother with the
filler. Once you're
good Phil. I want you to listen to this. This is Stossel just to
get an award for being a libertarian to actually gets
airtime which is quite a feat. It is quite a feat. So he is did
a couple of things that caught us. I'll just play one of them.
I play the I'm gonna we're gonna play the prostitution clip. And
we're going and I want to he's got a bunch of girls from the
one of the bunny ranches in Nevada.
Why did they Was that that's so lame.
And it was if they're cute, it's why Oh, come on, it's totally
lame.
And then he's got some woman who's arguing with them. And
then of course, they follow the whole thing. And apparently
Harry Reid, I didn't know this is trying to abolish
prostitution in the state. Taking risks.
Totally fine, just ruin the state.
But just listen to this punt this this, this sanctimonious
woman, q&a out these prostitutes for being you know, having a job
essentially,
like it is your own choice. If
you want to do it, do it. And if you don't like it, then leave.
I'm happy that you're happy. That's terrific. The fact that
you are having a good time, it's not an excuse to ignore the
harm. Tell me why it's so bad for me, darling, it isn't about
you, and the USA, USA, we get our results. I have been nothing
but happy. I believe that the majority of prostituted women
suffer harm that is so serious, I would compromise your freedom
to protect the majority of women. Absolutely. So you
want to basically tell everybody in the world what they can and
can't do with their own bodies. And everybody would
like to live, I would like to live in a world where people
didn't hurt each other. You should be
ashamed of yourself. The Senate majority leader agrees the time
has come to outlaw prostitution.
That is, that is a great point that I should have put in my
rant. There. Everyone's so like, oh, you know, I'm the boss of my
own body, but then you get this like, but we have to outlaw
prostitution. And by the way, you know,
it's the same woman that woman that you're bitching about in
your brand is the same woman who's sitting there telling
these girls that they can't do that and she'd be glad to take
their freedoms away to save them right? Yes, the same woman.
Yeah. And I can switch and I'm always
amazed that women say You know, I want to have an abortion and
you know what the right to kill my fetus whatever. But then
they're all outraged that Texas has killed 500 people on death
row. Yeah, it's like which way do you want to have it? I just
thought well,
that's one of the short circuit models that I always like to use
either you know if you if you're for the death penalty, you
should be for abortion. Yeah, and if you're against the death
penalty, you should be against abortion, but that's not the way
it works. No, it's just the opposite. It's a short circuit.
I'm for reality shows of all of it.
We both are in that camp. That's the only way we're gonna make
any money.
I want to have death row. I want electrocution reality show. I
wish I could have a reality show about abortions. That'd be
fantastic. Daddy is five months pregnant. She wants to remove
that baby bump. Hey, Oh.
Well, we have we have 16 Was it? I was 16 and pregnant. I love
this MTV show where the kids are always like, Oh, I was pooping
on the toilet and the kid slipped out and went through the
drain pipes. Those shows are outrageous. Yeah, you could have
that. But then my ideas is crazy. Yeah.
All right. Well, I think that
oh, no, well, no, no, no, you can't just end me on that. No,
no, no. downer. No, no, no, no, no, we'll end on a new sickness.
Oh, a new type of dementia has been reported. A new type
of dementia and a new type of a new type of dementia how and you
and I are prime candidates, my friend.
Doctors of the balance brain center in Seoul Korea have
noticed a deterioration in our cognitive abilities that is
usually only found in people who have suffered head injury or
psychiatric illness. And the worst part about this dementia
is it is self inflicted. According to the researchers, it
is overuse of smartphones, tablets and game devices that's
hampering the balanced development of the brain. So a
person who spends more than seven hours a day on devices
shows a significant lack of development in the right side of
their brain that is the side of your brain responsible for
concentration and memory. This by
the way, according to my brain, Professor Powell, the right
brain left brain stuff has been debunked years ago, and it's
total bull crap. He says there's no truth no empirical evidence
that one side of your brain does more than the ODIs specific task
versus the other. Did you know that? Nope. It's a said no
empirical evidence whatsoever has been
shocked that I don't know that because obviously the mainstream
media doesn't like to discuss recent developments in science
and science.
And of course, if you're Erin Burnett, you have to take this
story of the digital dementia diagnosis and make a dumb joke
that can lead to emotional problems. And yes, the early
onset of dementia. Dementia is horrific to witness and horrible
to imagine in your own life impossible to imagine. This is
not something to take lightly. And while we're not saying you
should stop using your device all together, there is a reason
why for months we have warned about the slippery slope that is
technology. And yes, probably we sound like a broken record but
you know what we like records and probably a lot of you don't
know what a record is. But we do and we're proud of it. We look
outside our devices for some mental stimulation and that is
why we here are not worried about digital dementia. AC 360
starts right now.
Oh, wow.
She thinks that people who are watching her show are young for
some reason. This memo memo to Ms. Burnet. Your average age is
65 girl that peed these people know what a record is.
Do show how dumb is that?
Who writes this stuff for her and she doesn't have any ability
to say that's stupid. Jeff Zucker,
I'm sure. Ah, he did I hear is Makayla gone already at CNN?
Mickey mckaela Yeah, no, she didn't even start yet. As far as
I can tell.
From on the show has been on the air. I have a feeling that she
she that she's gone already something. I think I saw a
message somewhere.
Nice said okay. Hold on
CNN. What is it first shout. What is it first?
No. She's from Saskatoon.
Really? Yeah, that's where all the money is. No, no,
that's Alberta. Oh, oh, Saskatoon is to Paris,
Alberta. You know what's happening in Alberta. Did you
hear about this? But the floods? Yeah, but not about the floods.
You hear what the Mounties did? No, they beat someone up. No.
They're already impatient. Now anger is building about what has
happened while they've been out of their homes,
supposed to be here to protect us to keep looters away and
they're the ones doing the looting.
It came to a head yesterday as word spread among high river
residents. The RCMP had seized hundreds of guns from evacuated
homes. The RCMP is on video of the days following the flood
shows they did go into houses
looking for anybody who's in distress who needs assistance,
but the force says it only took guns that pose a safety risk
in those situations when they're out in plain view, and they were
not properly secured and stored. Those firearms were taken by the
RCMP members and safely secured
the prime minister's office jumped into the controversy with
a statement chastising the RCMP. We expect they will be returned
to their owners as soon as possible. The statement reads
the RCMP should focus on more important tasks
human resources and Canadia are outraged by this. So they came
into the video oh crapping stupid website shit. Hey, I'm
sorry. Oh, well, I'm sorry. I got like pre rolls popping up. I
can't stop this music from playing. Angry.
Yeah, but you will lose your concentration. Yeah, search. I'm
looking here June 27 2013. There's Mikayla looks different
for some reason. I don't know what she did.
CNN New Day rating sluggish Morning Show ribbed on Twitter.
As Jeff Zucker nears six month mark out there. Toast. Sorry,
Mikayla. Hope you got a good deal.
Yeah, probably a paid for player would pay for whatever it's
called.
Yeah. sluggish. sluggish. Mean. They must have zero ratings.
It was slick. What is sluggish on CNN.
I mean, you didn't even know that if the show had started
yet. This is how bad it is.
sluggish and
you're in show business.
I'm in showbiz.
So anyway, sorry about that. People have Canadia and it's
like, yes, you can get your gun back. If you can show you our
legal owner of the gun. Yeah. In your house that is now
completely washed out. You're gonna go find your receipt. They
took their guns. That's pretty scary.
Yeah, well, that's gonna happen here. Probably. Yeah, of course.
They just can't figure out how to do it here. They've tried
this. They try that. No, they're gonna do it. They haven't
figured it out yet. They haven't. They've been working on
it.
I guaranteed a certain point. The American says we'll just go,
man. Exactly.
All good. All right, everybody. Have yourselves a fantastic
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