The name of the talk show is legally drunk. Adam curry, John
C. Dvorak.
June 9 2013 times you're getting on nation media assassination
Episode Five to zero. This is no agenda, celebrating the miracle
of Suazo enough this morning here in the Travis heights
hideout in Austin, Texas capital the drone Star State in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry and
from Northern Silicon Valley where it's cold and miserable.
I'm John C. Dvorak. Greg Levin Buzzkill.
We had a huge rainstorm this morning here. I mean, like just
all of a sudden you know, and don't use hate it when Yeah,
there you go. Don't you hate it when you spend an hour the day
before? Doing things like I don't know washing the car.
That's still watering the lawn. You can't wash
your car.
It's not even my car. It's Miss Mickey's card and she's coming
back. So hang on. Oh, so
you're making the car? Oh, yeah.
What just not just the car got flowers in the house. You know,
I got I'm totally she's
coming. She finally come in. You think tonight? Yes. With a
little bit easier tomorrow. Probably.
She's gonna go through Atlanta. Well, if she gets stuck in
Atlanta, that's good news, because we have about 10
producers in Atlanta, who will pick a lot love to party with
her.
Yeah, well, you're snappy today. Oh, hold on. John, before we do
anything, we need to play our new theme song from They Might
Be Giants. You've heard of these guys. Right? Yeah, of course.
Complete transmission to the NSA suspending you rights for the
duration.
I think these guys are so awesome. I
think maybe giants.
Yes, it's true. They really get it. And they had this out. I
can't remember. This has been a while.
Yeah. Well, this is not news. We're going to talk about this,
I guess right off the bat.
No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, we have to ease into
it. Because I have. I am going to satisfy everyone with the
value I'm going to provide today.
Because I will have a theory on it. thoughts on the matter?
Yeah. Well,
why don't we ease into it, though, with a little bit of fun
and our presidents expense?
Oh, well, I'm always game for that.
So the President had a little little press thing. It wasn't
really intended to be much of a press thing about, specifically
about the prison and all of this spying that people are talking
about. It was about Obamacare. And if you're ever invited to
stand behind the president, you really got to think about if you
want to do this, did you see this particular press
conference?
Now with a guy standing back there? mugging? No,
there were four people and they all asleep? Well, they if you
watch them, you see after about five minutes, they zombify did
you get the STEREO A eyes and and one guy's head is cocked to
the right the whole
time. You know why they? This is a bad idea.
You should also add that's the right man, I don't need to be on
the stage with the President. That's okay. I'll just sit here
in the audience. So what happened to the right off the
bat, it was exhilarating and wonderful to watch. Because the
the stage manager forgot to hand the president who's not just
hand the present his script, but to put it onto the onto the
podium. And and oh, and the President was not happy with
this. I mean, he I would say he came close to throwing a
celebratory tantrum. And here's what happened.
Morning, everybody is wanting to see all of you. And I want to
thank everybody who's here. I think there's only one problem
and that is that my remarks are not sitting here.
People, people. This is this is the sign of a man who is very,
very frustrated. And there's stuff bubbling under when you
talk like this to your staff, and you call them people and you
say PayPal, PayPal, hello no PayPal. And so And Ed McMahon, a
panelist in the in the audience yucking it up for him
at all things by on Friday afternoon, things get a little a
little challenged. I'm going to have a I'm going to answer a
question.
So it's interesting that he knows already he's going to
answer a question at
the end of the remarks. But I want to make sure that we get
the remarks on PayPal,
PayPal. What what does that mean to you, John, when someone does
that to the staff
Well, I think it could be taken as a light hearted kind of a
thing. No. laughs
You know, but when, you know, not the second time and his face
was mad, he was mad. But really the whole thing he can't even
start. He can't just start, you know, ad lib a little bit. Just
said just a teeny weeny bit, or say, Hey, hold on a second. I'll
be right back. Just get off the stage. Dude. Where's my script?
Or where's my remarks? This is what it's called now. remarks.
Yes. I have some remarks with this movie I'm doing. Oh,
goodness. Oh, goodness. Oh, man. Folks are folks are sweating.
And you hear someone said, Don't fire him. Did you hear that?
It's very, very interesting moment. I felt this. Folks folks
are sweating those people, right. Well, good morning,
everybody. Good morning. So we fast forward through all of all
of the stuff and then there's the shill. And we know that
there's always a shill who's going to ask a question here
there. But there was only one question and one shill.
Thank you very much. I'm gonna take one question. And then
remember, people are going to have opportunities to also
answer questions when I'm with the Chinese president today. So
I don't want the whole day to just be a bleeding press
conference, but
I'm going to bleeding press conference. Is he now British
all of a sudden? And instead of saying fucking press conference,
it's a bleeding or is there actual blood involved? Or what
does this mean?
That's odd. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Take you could have said, you
know, start using scheisse cough. Terms. Iced coffee.
This is not an outstanding word.
No, I was saying he's like, if he's gonna start swearing and
kind of offhanded foreign ways.
Definitely. You should mix it up a bit is what you're saying.
Yeah. So this doesn't turn into a matter of
Jackie combs question.
Now Jackie comms interesting. So he calls on one reporter, one
reporter only. And she is a reporter. And he's he pronounces
it combs. And it took me a while to find out who he's talking
about. So the New York Times got got the one G O figured how does
that work? Of all the people in the room, the New York Times
gets to ask the question, and listen specifically to how she
phrases her question. For the newspaper of record, I would
have to say quite shameful. Mr. President, could you please
react to the reports of secret government surveillance of
phones and internet a few also assure Americans that the
government your government doesn't have some massive secret
database of all their personal online information and
activities?
Is she reporting for a high school newspaper? Wow. Can you
also wish you the American people that you don't I mean,
this is leading the witness? Or how does that qualify as an
actual question? Can you assure the American people that you
don't have some massive database that you're spying on? All you
have to do is say no. That was that was Whoa, New York Times?
Hmm. Okay, now let's go into I have to say, it always happens
with this guy. But here we go. People pay attention.
You know, when I came into this office, I made two commitments
that are more important than any commitment I make.
Okay. Do we need to play his oath again, John? Is it that
time? Where we think so? Yeah. I actually, I forgot to put that
in my home. I'll have it in two seconds. Damn. So the two things
that he promised you would expect it would be the equal to
the oath that he took when he was sworn in on his inauguration
day. And right, so that's not going to happen. I don't have to
worry now,
number one, to keep the American people safe. What?
That's the number one thing.
That's not That's not what it says,
are Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear
That I will faithfully execute,
that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the
United States, the office of President of the United States,
and will to the best of my ability and will to the best of
my ability, preserve, protect and defend, preserve, protect
and defend the American people Constitution of the United
States, the Constitution of the United States, so help you God.
So help me God. Congratulations, Mr. Pres. Okay. So I made two
commitments that are more important than any commitment I
make. Number one to keep the American people safe. And number
two, to uphold the Constitution.
He gets a couple of things there about what happened to protect
and defend. Does he think he just has to hold it up in the
air Like, just every night I pulled that thing like this,
just put it up there in the air. No, Mr. President, nowhere in
the Constitution or in Article Two does it state that you have
to defend and protect the American people. You can
appoint. You can you can do meetings meetings with you are
the Commander in Chief, which means you you get to do
meetings. Okay? Unless you want to get on like a horse and go
out there and be in front with a saber, then you know, then I'll
give you a little slack. I'll cut you some slack on that. But
no, no, that is not your job. The American people defend the
American people. Am I correct? John, you are the constitutional
lawyer. Absolutely.
Okay includes what I consider to be a constitutional right to
privacy. And no,
no, no, you see, it's not really a constitutional right to
privacy. It's a con you already have the rights to privacy. The
government is not allowed to encroach that right. This is I
find it very, very disturbing that the constitutional law
professor, President Obama continuously propagates this
mean, this is disturbing
and observance of civil liberties. Now, the programs
that sell,
so he's full of just nothing but slippery stuff in this. To me,
this was just comedy gold, this this whole speech, it was 15
minutes, and I just broke it down a little 32nd bits. So this
is about the incident. We're going into prism. John, I do
want to hear what you're thinking about. So he says, the
words matter with this guy, we know this. So let's listen to
his exact words.
When it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to
your telephone calls.
I think he's telling the truth here. However, what he's saying
is no one's listening to him. He didn't say they're not being
recorded to get listened to later.
Yeah, no, that's what's going on. Exactly. This whole thing
has been an exercise in obfuscation. You know, the, oh,
there's no direct connection. There's no, there's all these,
you know, these key buzzwords that have been used to defend
them, you know, this is out of out of control?
Well, it gets a little better when and I thought this to me,
where he uses the very same reporter Jackie comes as an
example. And I felt if you were talking to me this way, I'd be
like, Are you threatening me?
Anybody in government wanted to go further than just that top
line data and wanted to, for example, listen to Jackie combs
phone call to you. That could happen, Jackie, they'd have to
go back to
Nevada to do
a federal judge.
I don't think I like the way you asked that question, Jackie. I
don't know. So here it is. We all know what to bend, I think
was Benjamin Franklin. I'll paraphrase I have, there's
multiple versions of his quote. But Benjamin Franklin, one of
the great statesmen in America, and a guy who flew a kite in a
lightning storm. I said, if you and those who trade security for
privacy or privacy for security, really deserve neither. And our
president, what he said here, really just blew me away.
I specifically said that one of the things that we're going to
have to discuss and debate is how are we striking this balance
between the need to keep the American people safe?
Which is not a need, I guess, well, maybe it is in the nanny
state.
And our concerns about privacy, our concerns
about privacy, John, it's just a concern,
because there are some trade offs involved. No,
no, no, there's no trade off. There shouldn't be any trade
offs.
I welcome this debate.
Whoa, wait,
and I think it's healthy for our democracy. I think
that's what got me it. This is healthy for our democracy, John
trading privacy for securities held sign
of maturity, oh, it's a sign of maturity. That's probably five
years ago, six years ago, we might not have been having this
debate. And I think it's interesting that there's some
folks on the left, but also some folks on the right, who are now
worried about it, who weren't very worried about it. When it
was a Republican President, I think that's good. That we're
having this discussion. But I think it's important for
everybody to understand and I think the American people
understand.
Oh, oh, hold on a second. That's us, John. She doesn't he she
doesn't be doing that. We think Why did there are some trade
offs involved in this trade off? Yeah, of course.
Yeah. I came in with a healthy skepticism about these programs.
No, I think you came in actually with some promises about getting
rid of these programs.
My team evaluated them. We scrubbed them thoroughly. We
actually We expect what does that mean? We scrubbed them? I
mean, I know,
most of my clips have got stuff like this in them. And if
somebody's using a word, a scrubber screwball word, it's
like, why are they doing this? I, yeah, go on
oversight, increase some of the safeguards. But my assessment,
and my team's assessment was that they help us prevent
terrorist attacks.
And by the way, this is something that CEOs do a lot.
When, when they want to convince people of bullcrap, they'll talk
about the team. You've probably heard this job. In a company
meeting. Well, my team or the team like that hates the team,
man. It's not just me, it's the team. The whole team's behind
me. We didn't elect your team. Okay, we elected you, not the
team. So have weird words. This was a and of course, I had to
look this one up. But this is a term when you're talking about
breaking the law, essentially, or breaking the constitutional
law to use this term specifically was mind boggling.
And the modest encroachments?
Okay, let's look at some analogies of the term modest
encroachment. Do you have any John?
No, but I'm sure you do.
I just had one. I just had one like, Don't worry, baby. It's
only the tip. It's I think that's that's a that is a good
analogy of modest encroachment
on privacy that are involved in getting
it how do you even have a modest encroachment on privacy
definition of encroach from think this is Merriam Webster
that'll suffice? encroach to enter by gradual steps or by
stealth into the possessions or rights of another, but only
modestly. So he is admitting to a crime?
No. Well, yeah, that's true. But and the way if you look at the
overall possibilities, of encroachment on privacy, this
would be just that just a modest because it's only tapping your
phones and listen to your calls. There's no mics in your house.
There's no guy following you around. They're not taking
pictures when you leave your house is every one of these as
is as one, one whole unit. I could go on and on and on. And
they don't they're not coming in and checking your underwear.
They're not people are barreling into the house to you know, just
sit with you at dinner, expose all these possibilities that
they're not doing is modest. Yes, it's very much so this only
this one little thing, which is tapping your phone and listening
in. No, no,
no, no, not listening, not listening. Not listening yet.
No. But it isn't. It isn't encroachment. So he is in fact
admitting to breaking constitutional law. That if you
take the words by their definition,
phone numbers or duration, without a name attached and not
looking at content, that you're not
looking at count No, you don't look at a phone call. You listen
to a phone call, or it's transcribed. Maybe that's what
he means that we're not looking at the transcription of it yet
yet.
On. Net, it was worth us doing that. It was worth doing
nothing. Doing you didn't accomplish it. Oh, no, hold on,
hold on. worth us doing. That's some other folks may have a
different assessment of that
all folks who have a different assessment, raise your hand
without talking.
But I think it's important to recognize that you can't have
100% security and also then have 100% privacy. And zero
inconvenience
is perfect. Benjamin Franklin just threw up. I don't want to
happen, I just puked all over myself in my grave.
We're gonna have to make some choices
as a society, make some choices as I so he's done. And remember,
he was only going to answer one question. And if you watch the
video, he leaves the stage, but he has forgotten to address the
whole The whole reason behind this coming out the leak. So
some dude just yells out random delete loops. And and you know,
the President has been when people yell stuff out and he
says I'm gonna do one question and one question only he keeps
walking. He just leaves. He doesn't come back. And he he
went, you can see him go, Oh crap. And he goes back. And he's
just like, yeah,
thank you guys. Well, like
oh shit, all right. Yeah, well,
I don't I don't welcome leaks.
We forgot to mention this this so they have a su Fleur
sitting recorder was was botched as he should have let him go.
But this wasn't even a reporter I think this was just one of the
duels a staffer. Yes, a su Fleur. It's not what it's called
someone who sits in a little box on stage. When you forget your
line, so sue Fleur.
He may be under the stage with a little trapdoor she has a little
trapdoor opens it Don't say that. It's my line was
my line. It would be funny if if Obama said, Oh, guys, I'm up.
What's My Line? That would be funny,
because there's a reason why these programs are classified.
You know, I think I think that there's a suggestion that
somehow any classified program is a quote unquote, secret
program, which is a secret. Yeah. Somehow suspicious? Yes.
But the fact of the matter is, you will,
yes, fact of the matter if you are the most transparent
government in history, yes. That's suspicious.
In our modern history. There are a whole range of programs that
have been classified, because when it comes to, for example,
fighting terror, terror.
I mean, he almost is saying terror like George Bush,
where he's talking about those leaked documents that got on the
net, right. There's the five slides of a probably a tweet.
That didn't exactly just get on the net. Yeah. But that's what
he's talking. Yeah, they were planted
or whatever. But it says top secret at the bottom. Yeah. And
it has all this other crap on there, which none of its really,
I don't see it was secret at all. And I think we've known
about this for line, enemy, Go on, play, play some Mormon, play
him out.
Our goal is to stop folks from doing us harm. And if
Wayman if the folks are handing you the script, and it's folks
are doing your harm, who are the folks at a certain point, you
can you got to stop saying they and you got to identify you
can't just say, folks,
folks, every step that we're taking, try to prevent AQ on the
F a terrorist act is on the front page in the newspapers or
on television, then presumably, the people who are trying to do
us harm are going to be able to get around our preventive
measures. Oh, that's why these things are classified. Mm hmm.
Especially one major that was even listed on there was just,
it was just a blow out of when these guys started doing deals
with Google.
Exactly. Now, Let's
wind it up as we play them. And people can't trust not only the
executive branch, but also don't trust Congress and don't trust
federal judges. Let me
see how we do in three for three, I think. I think he
nailed Him
to make sure that we're abiding by the Constitution, due process
and rule of law, then we're gonna have some problems. Yes,
exactly.
We have a problem. We don't trust the executive office, or
Congress or the federal judges. I think we have plenty of reason
to distrust.
But my observation is, is that the people who are involved in
America's national security, they take this work very
seriously. Yeah, they're not going to screw you. they cherish
our Constitution,
and they actually know what was in there. The last
thing they'd be doing is taking programs like this to listen to
somebody's phone calls.
Now, do you hear how his voice like he's almost laughing?
Because this I had to listen to several times, where he said,
the last thing these people want to do is
listen, listen to somebody's phone calls.
What is that all about? Phone calls.
I don't know why I even did this press conference. This is just
seems like a bonehead move.
And so of course, finally the his his last statement is is
obviously the zinger.
And if people can't trust not only the executive branch Oh, we
already did that. Also, don't trust Congress.
We already did that one. So yeah, so we can't trust the
government. And and I just found this you're right, this whole
press conference to be weird. Ill thought out the fact that I
guess they were still making changes to his remarks or
something. This isn't just something that gets forgotten.
I'm pretty sure someone was changing something or adding
something or
bullets probably I would. I listened to the the twerp come
out and when she took her thank you for putting me in the head
of national security. And I listened to the way she speaks
to the rise. I took me a second. You're talking the tour. Okay,
yes, to me
talks like this when she talks to me People. It's very weird.
Yeah. So so she came out I have I was just it's a long talk she
gave, but she took forever to get her words out. And it's
always this kind of stilted, weird type of communication.
That's Herky jerk. And she drew a couple of weird terms in there
too. I mean, play this thing. And then I think she was I
believed as the new honcho, she's the one who was supposed
to have the remarks ready. I'll bet. Mr. President,
thank you so much. I'm deeply honored and humbled to serve our
country, as your national security adviser. I'm proud to
have worked so closely with you for more than six years. And I'm
deeply grateful for your enduring confidence in me. As
you've outlined, we have vital opportunities to seize and
ongoing challenges to confront. We have much still to accomplish
on behalf of the American people. And I look forward to
continuing to serve on your national security team to keep
our nation strong and safe. Tom, it's been a real honor to work
with him. You have led with great dedication, smarts, and
skill, and you leave a legacy of enormous accomplishment. All of
us around the principal's table. We'll miss you. And I wish you
and Kathy and your family all the very best. I am bored,
because so she is She sounds like a robot. So she says you
guys got smarts, which seems smart, demeaning. If yes. Well,
this is just principles table.
It's the guy. Yeah, it's the grown up table. That's what it
is that used that's a very good catch. Can I interrupt for one
second? The chats over? Now the chat, but the chat room was
pointing something out that we missed something what the
President said here. And if people can't trust, he says, if
people can't trust the executive branch, and don't trust
Congress, and if people can't
trust not only the executive branch, but also don't trust
Congress.
That's interesting. And that's a good test trust,
and they don't trust Yeah. Good catch. I like that. Yeah. I
don't know what quite what it means. But it's interesting. He
would do it.
He's saying you can't trust me. That's I think that is
subliminal if people can trust me,
because like, I don't think you can trust. No. Well,
so I've been laughing so, so hard at the Obama bots are just
freaking out about this. I mean, just like totally, totally
freaking out.
Ya know? And which is weird, because this is not anything.
Let me tell us an anecdote. This is nothing new what they did.
And I wrote a column last Thursday's PC magazine you
should read people should read, which is called your telecom
provider as the enemy. I don't think that was my title. But
anyway, that no, it's not Devorah title? No, no, they
don't know why they have. We know a couple of things that
we've known a couple of things that grabbing metadata is
nothing new. They I was shown in the early 1990s. When I was in
London with the PC Magazine, UK, Interpol gave us a lecture on
this. And they showed how you can use metadata to develop
personal networks. So you could and they showed an example of a
Italian crime family. And they had all these, they had all the
same thing that they collected here, just phone call who you
called, how long the call is for. And so you could put all
these numbers together. And then they had a network analysis map.
And they could figure out who the boss of the crime family was
based on the way things fell, fell. And that's essentially all
that's been going on. And this is like not a big shocker to
anybody who keeps up with this that we're that we've been doing
this the more interesting thing and I pointed out in the in the
column is what the big picture is, which is what you mentioned
earlier, which is the recording of every call constantly and
then storing them in a huge database of warehouses that
they're building around the country. Most I think that
monster in Utah, Colorado has got one.
So what's what's fascinating to me, though, is that I guess,
even like Leo Laporte both posted this whole thing on on
his Google Plus page, where he's just outraged and like I gave
you 1000s of dollars and you're lying and
of all people he and Obama for yes,
but of all people, he should know what goes on in the
technology world. And let me just play two quick clips,
because it's so funny to see people like chunk over there to
Reaching out Current TV who is without a doubt. He's always
been pro Obama. He's He's tries to be fair, but he's done a lot
of really a lot of defending of the president and he certainly
is more left than right. He was incensed.
Well, that's not who we're supposed to be. But that's
exactly who Barack Obama is. That's who he is. It would
change his love. Look, people sometimes say, oh, no, no, no,
he never promised not to spying on you. Yes, he
did. He promised the right there in Oh, eight campaign. So like,
there's supposed to be a big phone Pong like, oh, no, don't
do it. He lied. It's not subtle. He said there will be no spying
of citizens for not suspected of a crime. He lied. There is
spying on all of us. And we're not suspected of a crime. Barack
Obama is a liar. And I make it clear. Like that's like a big
thing to say, oh my god, wow.
This is funny because nobody spoke about the Gitmo thing. In
fact, I have a clip that combines two of these things,
okay, which is the get most thing which which, by the way, I
want to mention, but they got a guy from the National Review on
Bill Maher's crappy show. And I'm gonna when I plan my second
clip from Bill Maher than you know why it's a crappy. So
here's the Guantanamo clip. This is Bill Maher, and we're talking
about so you get to have national review guy talks about
that this shouldn't be news to anybody. And then he mentions a
few things. And then And then Mark cuts it off with this weird
snide ending. In
fact, this sort of dragnet approach to these sorts of
things goes back a long, long time we had in the 1990s,
possibly even earlier than that. Surveillance of computer
networks, phone records, things like that. The 90s Yeah. Before
911 We had a number of programs like this already going on. It
wasn't talked about as much at the time, but they're not
exactly new things. You know, you've got a lot of people on
the right that are really taking advantage of it. There's an
element of selective outrage, I think there. But it's also the
fact you did have a guy who campaigned for president saying
I won't give up your phones. I'm gonna get rid of the stuff in
the Patriot Act. We don't like I'm gonna close down Guantanamo
Bay and all the rest of that stuff. He's taken the George W
Bush football and run with it. And I think if he tried to close
Guantanamo Bay, Congress wouldn't let him so let's not
spread bullshit right away. Okay.
Oh, wait, you you're telling me that when he got into office and
had owned the Senate and own the house of representatives and had
the executive branch he tried to close Guantanamo Bay, but
Congress me But John, because all Democrats wouldn't look at
him. If you
wrote a million dollar check. And wouldn't you be pissed off
now to and when to be like trying to say anything to defend
that money that you gave? Yeah, it wasn't his fault, man. And
I'm not dumb. I'm not done with my money. Alright, do we play
this other thing here?
No, no, don't play that. Yeah.
What can I play you then? To Chris Matthews, just just
because he's funny, not because people watch him anymore. He
can't do anything. But to take it to race all the time. He
always has to say it's, you know, they don't want the black
man in the White House. But he I mean, of all the things you can
say as a as a person on a news channel. The things that Chris
Matthews says is just ludicrous. And
the scandal Peter, what again to you why did they get the idea?
If it isn't ethnic? And I'll just leave the possibility. Why
did they just assume evil on the part of Obama? I mean, he's
raised this light his whole life has been crystal clear and clean
as a whistle and transparent we know his whole life through all
the great excellent education he's had the good part working
through a pro bono work he's done throughout his life he's
never been a money grubber. He's never done anything wrong in his
life legally ethically. Whatever his family is picture perfect
the rays Well, I
hope I gotta stop I gotta stop. Oh, mom. We don't want his his
school records are sealed.
He's in he's in it. There's no evidence he ever went to
Columbia. He's
He's admitted to breaking the law by smoking weed and snorting
coke. He's lied about his or, at least there was about it was
born in Kenya. So this you know, there's definitely smudges.
Everybody has smudges, to say the least. But to say, according
to Chris, well, he does
something wrong in his life legally, ethically, whatever his
family is picture perfect. The rays race those daughters, that
the marriage everything is clean as a whistle, and that they just
refer them as evil. They just refer to Mr. Scott, stick with
these people. They just got a problem with the Senate
President Nick. Well, is there any other evidence to justify
why they keep calling him a bad man? Yeah,
he's a bad man. Clean as a whistle.
You should talk to chunk. liar. Liar Liar.
And Tommy's Mickey called.
He's the last holdout amongst the left. I mean, even democracy
now is all over this guy. I know. I know. I know. I know. I
know. Did the last hold up? Because he was the first guy who
said, Well, what makes me I feel the tingling up my leg? Yeah, of
course I remember. He loved the man so much.
In a band crush, Miss Mickey,
I called. I spoke to her Friday or Saturday, anyway. And so she
told me what's going on. I said, you know, people are freaking
out here. She says, Well, what and so I told the story about
him, because that really hasn't. It's only now starting to really
pop in the in the press where we have a culture here in America
where people get you're seeing it, I'm getting messages from
people saying, Man, you were right, is the guy's insane. And
of course, Huffington Post, literally took a picture that
was one of our album art pieces of work. And put under a George
W. Obama, I mean, literally took where we used God, two years
ago, maybe, I'm sure they just did a Google search with the
images, and it came up with it. And there it was. And so you're
seeing the really, truly the Obama boss just freaking out.
And so I tell Mickey, this. And she says, this is fantastic. I'm
like, What do you mean? It's like, No, this is great. Because
now people, this is going to be great for the show people are
going to wake up, they're starting to figure things out.
Oh, that's a very positive way of looking at it. I think that's
great. And I subsequently went, Okay, I've got to find out
what's really going on, because this cannot this cannot be the
truth. This cannot be happening. I have I think I have a theory
if you will, let
me finish with what I was discussing earlier, which was
this column I wrote, which discussed the, you know, we
already knew about this, this network analysis thing has been
going on, like this guy said, the 90s, which seemed to have
stunned Bill Maher's. And I've, I've seen the demo in the 90s.
And what's going on now is this collection of, no, you have to
listen to the end of this, this thesis, the collection of all
phone calls all the time, into this end, like Obama says,
nobody's listening. They're just collecting. And, and I think
this is genius, by the way, and I point this out in the column,
the idea will be in the future, that if they are going to
subpoena your phone records, they will subpoena your old
calls, of course, they'll they'll pull out the whole file
of everything you've talked about since 2002. And they'll
listen to it after they get the court order. But meanwhile, it's
already there and they aren't yet it's already there ready to
be looked at if you get a warrant? So you're gonna stick
with the law but here's any I here's what I think the genius
is and I think the argument is this if I if somebody gets a
warrant to come into my house to look for evidence that I've you
know, done something they can only
they can only look at for that one piece of evidence
but they are looking for stuff that indicates something I
already did it's actually looking into the past when they
come into my house that's the argument you're gonna use for
these phone calls. All we're doing is doing what we do with
any other kind of warrant we're looking in the past we couldn't
do that before we could get a wiretap and we can start
listening to you
here we go let's let's look into the past let's look into
so you could go and you grab I get grab all of Adam Curry's old
phone calls they've been stored in their safe nobody's been
listening to but now with the court order I can and I'm doing
the same thing I would be doing if I went into your house, I'm
looking for stuff that relates to a past thing. That's exactly
what this is. And there's a good way with this. Everybody's calls
are gonna be recorded forever. Yes, it's safe is going to be
there. It's not going to be you know, listened to but casually
although that could happen, by the way. So can't overlook that
possibility.
This is the this is the you'll hear this now. Because I noticed
this as well. You will hear people talking about getting a
court order to go and listen to them not to listen to wire isn't
the word is no longer wiretap. It's go and listen to your
calls. And I think you're spot on with this, that everything
has been recorded, and they will go back and and they will then
subsequently have everything and my God, what a what a what a
bunch of evidence do you have, then that's
Yeah, and I would call this a reverse wire.
Ooh, like it's a post crime.
It's a post crime and you use a reverse wire. It's just it's
just genius. And nobody's talking about this all they're
talking about as this, you know, which is funny, because they
can't seem to defend themselves against this thing that's been
going on since the 90 which 90s, which is just getting met
metadata from the phone companies. And I think by the
way, getting the emails which they're doing the same thing
with from Google and all these email providers, they're storing
all that stuff, too. And that will be part when you get a
warrant. You also grab all that old email that you've done on
your Gmail, this is why you should have your own mail
server, by the way.
Yeah. Which I think I've had for the past five years. Exactly.
Would you like to hear my theory what I've, what I've uncovered
what I've come up with here on this because there's a lot of
loose ends. First of
all, let's get the Clip of the Day for the Chris Matthews.
I want it to be some for something of value not just
lame. Terrible. Let's thank our producers first I think we have
a very short list. We do have a long list of big swath enough
Day Of course we'll get into that in a moment. Actually,
almost everybody was a was a Swasey lover. We broke the
record with do that get to that later. Yeah, but right now let's
take a look at as I open it. Yeah. Okay, we have a way always
opens in this funny way. Halfway down. We have one executive
producer and one Associate Executive Producer for show 520
No 520 club member sir Craig of Mahna Mahna Mahna Mahna. In the
UK, Dorothy and Lillian, he addresses us finally i proper on
the comment box for my Pay Pal calm and finally found it okay.
And the irony is I have nothing to say. Except to request some
job karma and a dash of travel karma on the side for my
upcoming holiday.
Absolutely, sir. Kreger phenomena. Thank you very much
from Dorothea karma. Thank you for addressing us properly by
our proper names Dorothy and Lillian.
And we have Henry Reese of Nagoya, Japan. I thought sent me
a note. I don't recall an email so maybe I don't know it came in
the mail. Okay, well, I'm sorry.
No, that's not that's not sufficient.
To 66 sucks I have to go downstairs and dig around but I
do need to write the notes up but I don't see him
when you come to school. You need to come prepared.
Maybe this is it. No this isn't it.
I mean, dog ate your homework.
Oh, wait a minute. Uh huh.
So yeah, I'm not given up that easy.
Oh, okay. No, the bit Hold on a second.
holding on. holding on. I'm still holding on maybe I'll play
some Harry Reid while we're holding on
right now. I think we should every just everyone should just
calm down and understand this isn't anything that is brand
new. It's been going on for some seven years. And we've tried
often to try to make it better and we'll continue to do that
calm down slaves resume normal activities is Harry Reid.
What did he even say call game he says so. I was looking at
last week's notes that are brought to this desk. Make a
Sunday donation. I like the shortlist of producers. I'm
donating to 6667 to get me halfway to knighthood. There
John and Adam Henry Reese, from Gitmo nation teetering.
Teetering. Yeah, teetering. As in ready to collapse, the
collapse? Yeah, I guess on the edge. Very nice
living here on a broken income in Nagoya, Japan. Adam, yes.
Stop with the Joe Biden President routine. Why? I don't
know. He doesn't say why.
And may I point out He's scaring me. I point out that a number of
people sent in and said, Here's what happened with Gerald Ford.
Gerald Ford became president was never elected. And what happened
is Spiro Agnew had to leave because he was caught cheating,
or taking a bribe. And then President Nixon said, oh, you
know what, why don't I bring in this guy, Gerald Ford, then
Nixon got impeached or he left during his impeachment. Gerald
Ford became President. First time a man became president who
was not elected for any office. So my theory
could actually I thought Gerald Ford was a senator or something
somewhere.
He was, huh.
Yeah, look at knowledge. Yeah. Oh,
let me see. I have I actually did look it up. And here we go.
To so hard to read the book of knowledge. But a lot of a number
of people sent this to me. I don't think he was darling. See,
on October 10. Agnew resigned, pleaded no contest to criminal
charges
or representatives. Okay, House member from 49 to 73. Long Haul
in the house.
But he was not ready, buddy. But the point is, he was not elected
to the executive office and certainly not elected to be
president.
No, it was a fluke. But you said he was never elected to an exec
any
I'm sorry. All right. Well, maybe it was Boy Scout leader.
Now it's 1070. He was still in the house. He was pulled from
the house.
But what's interesting is House Speaker Carl Albert said we gave
Nixon no choice but Ford so you can smell some good smell it.
I'm kind of set up there. And of course, he was a boob.
Actually, he was considered really a good house member. Not
a boob at all. Well, anyway, let's get right to the letter
from our friend in Japan. John, I also heard stories of candles
burning down many fine old houses during my hippie days in
Eugene and Portland. Okay, yeah, it needs some karma. A de
douching and a noodle guy.
A noodle guy.
Wow, the new guy.
That noodle the whole noodle kid clip? Yeah,
I'm always game for it.
Okay, you caught me off guard here. You know, let me see.
Where's the I have a noodle laugh? I think I have that. Let
me see what this I don't know. I don't think do I have them? Do I
have the noodle? Cool? Was that you catching me off guard with
this you'd like oh, no, we need the noodle guy. I don't want to
do the karma and the devolution first I mean could be douche
first. You've been de Deus. You've got karma? I didn't know
you didn't. There was there was no idea.
We will give him the noodle guy when you find it.
I feel bad. I don't have the noodle kid ready?
Yeah, I always thought it was at the ready. So anyway, those are
Executive Associate Executive producers for show for 520. And
by the end, I want to thank them and remind people that we do
have a show coming up on Thursday. And we need to
continue to support the work.org/in
A Yes, indeed. Here's your noodles kid.
Well, like I described earlier, there are two fundamental
classes that are just a plain fact in society. You either work
for someone else, or you work for yourself. And most people
work for someone else in a way that they aren't free. You don't
really get to decide your work. For example, I work at noodles a
restaurant. And basically it's a dictatorship. They're told
exactly what we're going to cook, how we're going to cook
it, what time we're going to get there. And basically, if they
don't like what they're doing, they try to tell us what to do.
If they don't listen, they get rid of us. And so we were not
able to actually cooperate in a way that we make decisions
together. I tried to convince my my fellow employees that we
should have a union at noodles. So it's a source of power to
start with. And then I think in terms of the bigger picture,
when you look at revolutions, the way that you actually get
rid of any sort of dictatorship, is by having workers take
control of the place where they work. Would your plan your
vision for noodles? Sure. Would it include the owner, what
capacity if the owner wanted to cooperate with us as an equal
and provide his skills that he had? We would definitely
cooperate with him we'd have to abdicate his position as being
an owner and controller of us and he would have to recognize
that we noodles together and basically if he doesn't want to
cooperate with us, he's against
us. There you go. Against us they make it they tell us what
we have to cook man
and if we they tell us what time to come in.
This is bad. This is the dictator. Oh, man. Well, there
you go once in a while you got to bring the noodle kid out and
he little kid we need to bring him in once every six months.
Yeah, we got to do it. It's
like clockwork, it always just picks me up and it gives me a
little boost.
So well,
let me let me do the whole.org/and A and let me say
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think that's an evergreen? Whatever it is with the
noodles, laugh. Laugh it's in the Evergreen box. That's why I
grabbed it is I don't know what it is.
So a friend of mine and you said
so you said so. We got to stop saying so. Thank you. I
appreciated it four times myself this morning and it's bugging
the shit out of me.
I haven't heard it. But I should be paying careful more careful
attention to catch doing it. Go ahead. Yes, we are trying to for
anyone listening. We're trying to live mandate the use of the
word so
miss some other words and or ever. Yes, awesome, amazing,
amazing Amanda's out and any and any who was also off the list
that was that was never on the list was I'm telling
you that we're scrambling my brains. I know that we're
scrambling my brains. Can I kind of give you my theory or do you
want to talk about your UK guy? It could be elitist.
I just want to mention that we have a friend of mine actually.
Theresa Holcomb is married to a famous harmonica player who must
he'll cringe as he hears me. And I got them into the show because
Theresa came out to visit with Mimi, they're all down here
partying. And so
wait a minute, you're partying? Well, I
was at I was doing working on the show what kind of party
they're doing. And they're out floating around. I have no idea.
I'm hanging out with comics. Oh, well, Teresa's a comic and sent
me me used to produce it. So anyway, so I said, so again.
Yep. I caught it the second time. All right.
It's hard. It's hard. It's very hard. It's very hard.
It's gonna be a tough one. Yeah. I noticed that Obama was saying
the fact of the matter, the fact of the matter. The fact of the
matter is we broken ourselves of that horrible habit. So I did it
again. Anyway.
Just don't. It's hard. It's hard. I know.
Theresa said that, that MIT was a conspiracy turning into a
conspiracy, not UK style.
Who was her husband? You mean? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I
said, Well, you've got to get him to listen to the no agenda
show, right? She gotten to listen to the show. And he says
he can't understand a word we're taught. He just appeared. And I
was listening to our, the way we did the opening. And we started
to talk about our producers and the douchebags and all the rest.
And I realized that we're so way ahead of a new listener. Yeah.
It's really problematic. I said, You've got to read the note, the
no agenda page in the Wikipedia, and maybe that would help. It's
tea time, everybody.
Maybe he understands that. Or this is my favorite. This is a
fact. The fact. So he couldn't understand any of it. And I
said, so. He could not understand any of did he give
up? Did he did he get into it? At a certain point? You
understand what's going on?
Still, he hasn't given up yet.
Okay, let's try this on. And maybe this will work. I'm 11.
And even I can split a douche bag. Daughter seems to
understand this. His daughter? Yeah, cool. I like it. That's a
good jingle. By the way. I like that one a lot. All right. After
the after the conversation with Miss Mickey. I'm thinking I have
to think like no agenda. And it's been very good being
completely isolated. Because the path I went down, I don't think
I if I had been distracted by anything, I might not have
figured out a few interesting points in this whole prism
affair. If the main thing as a no agenda, producer and I put
myself in the in the listeners chair and our listeners, our
producers, it was all a little too easy. You know what I mean?
I felt the same way
it looked rigged. Yeah, a little rig. And I'm like, I lead
and here's another thing when you're doing these like why at
the bottom of that of the slides, it says top secret.
Unless face isn't that to be a little weird.
They need some templates or something. But PowerPoints,
PowerPoint presentation, generally speaking, especially
to a larger group, would you put all that crap at the bottom? I
don't think so. I think that was just
okay. So you had the same feeling I had. And the journey
really started for me with an interview on a podcast. I feel
stupid. I forgot the name of the podcast. Well, the the guy who
was being interviewed is Ray McGovern. And Ray McGovern was
an analyst for the CIA during the Kennedy administration. And
he's a blog and he's a blogger. Now, essentially, he's retired.
And he's on the program, because he wrote this article called
doubting Obama's resolve to do right. wherein he essentially
calls the President or worse, and I'll get to why he call him
that in a moment. Um, so here's just like, I think 30 or 40
seconds of part of the okay. Yeah, I'm okay. It was a weird
sound. Here is part of what kind of got me on to this. This is a
an anecdote that I found very interesting. And
I know from a good friend who was there when it happened at a
small dinner with progressive supporters after these
progressive supporters were banging on Obama before the
election. Why don't you do the things we thought you stood for?
Obama turned sharp Leon said, don't you remember what happened
to Martin Luther King Jr. That's a quote. And that's a very
revealing quote. The other thing is, I've always been kind of
shocked that when he came into office, not only did he not
prosecute the tortures of the kidnappers, the people with the
black prisons so that even the people who violated our Fourth
Amendment rights, he left them all in place. And, you know, I
suspected at the time now, I'm pretty convinced the president
United States is afraid of the CIA.
So I hope I said it. I really liked that where he said, the
President of the United States is afraid of the CIA. And this
makes sense. In our general thesis that we need, we've
been saying this for what Yes, well, since the first election
says Obama first got elected weed writers a feud?
Well, not just a few. But even Ron Paul said, Watch, actually
look for that clip, I couldn't find it where he said, Look, the
CIA is taken over the run, they're running the joints, what
it took, it took it from you.
It's been scrubbed, and scrubbed it. Now in his article in this
sentence, and by the way, I have an outline for in the show
notes, which is not just an outline, but also indented. And
this whole story I'm about to tell you, you can go and follow
the steps and see if I went wrong, or see if you'd like what
I came up with. So you can do that after the fact, five to
zero.na shownotes.com. So in this article, he says, The CIA
is messing with Obama's head. And this is where he contradicts
our initial theory, and says the hecklers are put in place by the
CIA to show Obama we can get to you at any time. Like, wow,
that'll
leave aesthesis to I think we there was a number of incidents
where suddenly something crazy happened, which was that sort of
thing. I can't remember the details. But we've spotted this
this trick a couple of times.
But, but this has been happening, this has been
happening a lot in recent memory. And so you take into
account, the President saying, Hey, man, I don't want to be
Martin Luther King, I don't want to get shot. And that he's
afraid. And then the CIA possibly, and I think it's more
likely than a scripted. The way we talked on the last show, but
we certainly have discussed, I think it seems more likely, this
is a way of saying, oh, you know what, we can get anyone into
anywhere. Oh, by the way, your wife, here we go. We've got
people right in front. Whatever you do, we got our eyes on you.
And I'm like, okay, that makes sense. Now, how do I bring this
into, into prison? First of all, the CIA runs everything. Now the
feuds, we without doubt, have identified and have played many
different anecdotes of people saying the CIA, they hate all
the other intelligence agencies, I'm pretty sure that they would
love to get one over on the NSA. So let's presume for a moment,
this may be an
NSA has been uncooperative, very uncooperative. Notice this, we
reported this. I didn't know for years now the NSA is and they're
arrogant.
Now, what if we could make the president look bad? At the same
time distract everyone from the true bad actor in the cyber
world not talking about phone calls, but in the cyber world,
so that we could really continue our massive surveillance program
without anyone and of course, hiding in plain sight, without
anyone suspecting what we're doing, because everyone's
focused on something else. So let's crap I did it. Looking at
what we know already, obviously, Google, I mean, are you kidding
me? In 2010? Ever, they had to admit, yes, we have the NSA
Alliance program. This is this is not like a secret. This has
been out there for years at Google and the NSA have a
department they have a joint venture discussed in mainstream
media, even the court the courts upheld the Google's denial and
the NSA is denial of a Freedom of Information Act request, that
they could keep it secret. So this is this is new. Oh, and by
the way, we do all remember that after 180 days, the government
has the right to read your email anyway. I mean, this is do we
forget? This isn't the biggest joke there is right? Did we
forget this all of a sudden that this has already been out there.
And
if your emails over 180 days old, and it's stored on an email
service, any service and many of them, the government can look at
it without a warrant.
Now let's look at let's just grab one. Let's look at the
Facebook. So Facebook, we know that Facebook has one of their
venture capital founding funders was incude Tell which is, which
is the intelligence agencies, venture capital fund and Person
of the Year 2010. Mark Zuckerberg Time Magazine. Oh,
how quickly we forget I pointed this out to a couple of my Obama
bot friends who were like, How is this possible? I said, well,
let's just read your leftist propaganda. And the relevant
paragraph from this article from it was and we talked about this
on the show that knowing jocks numerous times, the door opened,
and a distinguished looking gray haired man burst in is the only
way to describe his entrance trailed by a couple of deputies.
He was both the oldest person in the room by 20 years, and the
only one wearing a suit. He was in the building, he explained
with the delighted air of a man about to secure iron clad
bragging rights forever. And he had just had to stop in to
introduce himself to Zuckerberg, Robert Mueller, Director of the
FBI, pleased to meet you. Are you kidding me? Then we didn't
know what this paragraph isn't. So yes, the FBI is
in that was put in there for code. I mean, that was put in
the article. So everyone would that was in whatever circle that
was being transmitted to all okay. Right. But we're good.
Now. We're in what we're
seeing is Silicon Valley freaking out now. Because of
course, they they, they they cooperate. It's all part of the
sharing program. And they're all. And I truly believe, John,
that they are they've been taken off guard. They're like, whoa,
wait a minute. You're accusing us of what? So they're all very
careful with their little wording. And we don't give you
direct access and all this stuff. By the way. Did you see
Jeff Jarvis defending Google.
Now, Jeff Jarvis is a Google student, you might as well just
work for him.
It was just I should I should. He's like, I take Larry Page at
his literal word. So in other words, whatever, whatever Larry
said, literally, I'm I take him at his word. And then he talks
about conspiratorial thinking about these companies. Oh, this
can't be true. There's no gambling going on here. Okay,
but I have a feeling. I have a feeling that, that they were
really taken off guard with this. Now. We look at this
PowerPoint. And as we just discussed, I mean, what kind of
PowerPoint is this? What I found immediately interesting, was to
note that Apple was added to the so called prison program six
months after Steve Jobs died. And I've always heard I noticed
that too. I've always heard the Steve Jobs. This is a definitely
conspiratorial story. That the the government always wanted a
backdoor into everything Microsoft rolled over like a
like a bitch puppy. And you know, and yes, you do not need a
backdoor to break into Windows, and you can just so easy to
compromise it. But the jobs always said no, I'm not going to
let you into my system. And that sounds like him. We'll get back
to later fact,
I know that there was probably some struggle at Microsoft, I
don't think they're rolled over that quickly. Because here's the
problem with with a lot with having that NSA dot dat or
whatever, you know, there was these little pieces of code that
were floating around the windows,
the DLL system, or what the registry or whatever, yeah,
is that you ruin foreign sales. I mean, you can't take this
product correct into France or Germany, and expect anyone to
use it if it's just if it's just a Trojan horse as a whole, for
the NSA.
And there's just not possible. There's all these stories about,
you know, an Israeli back end and all these things. But I have
heard many, many times, Steve Jobs won't allow that to happen.
And so I found it interesting. We'll get back to the Apple
thing, but I know as well. So Apple jumps
on what happened to Steve Jobs?
Well, I'll get back to that he's dead. So Apple jumps on board.
They killed him.
Would you let me get to my story? There's so much more to
talk about. I mean, if that would be the the conclusion of
the story, which it is. That would be sad. There's a lot more
to talk about, though. So the leaks come out. Through a guy
named Glenn Greenwald. You have to go back to the source of no
one is questioning this very disturbing to me. Who is Glenn
Greenwald, of course.
Grin. Glenn Greenwald is an outstanding columnist was a
total lefty. I do follow him. He used to be a salon magazine. And
he's kind of a he's one of those progressive progressives that's
gone beyond being an Obama bot and is nothing but critical of
the president. And then somehow I don't know how this even hooks
up with him, but he's the one who rolled it out in the garden.
was something fishy about how this what the progress was, and
I'm guessing you're gonna tell me
yes, that is correct, John. That's where I started. So I
here's what I learned briefly about Glenn Greenwald. He's a
four I'm a lawyer. He was a civil rights lawyer. And many
people have said some nasty things about his work as a civil
rights lawyer, but I don't think that is important. He lives in
Brazil, with his boyfriend. And he worked at Salon magazine
since 2007. Before a I would say a high profile moved to Guardian
USA less than a year ago. So Versa Goddamnit I keep saying
so. To me, very interesting to see Glenn's move to the
Guardian. And here he is the biggest story of of the century
really for him, as you say, he's so left that he really is, I
would say he almost hates the president. And part of his
reasoning for not liking the president for many years was the
defensive Marriage Act. And you know, he's gay. So he's in
Brazil, it's like, I can't live in America, because America is
all effed up and so I'm living in Brazil. So there. He's been
very, very critical of all that. But more importantly, he loves
Petraeus. And I went back to watch Yes, so yeah, well, let me
put it this way. Now, he defended what happened to
portray us. So portray us, as you remote, as you recall, was
director of the CIA. And John Brennan, who our friend McGovern
says McGovern says, President Obama brought Brennan in because
he's so afraid of the CIA. He thought I have I have loyalty
from Brennan, so they won't try to kill me. Because Brennan is
running the show. Remember, this is a you know, Brennan is
appointed by the President. So the President was so afraid of
the CIA. He said Brennan and also he said, let's get the
drones out of the CIA before they drone me or whatever. And
so Brendan was brought in grant Glenn Greenwald for public
fights. If you go back and read his columns, which apparently
you follow him, he was like, Brennan is the worst guy ever.
You can't have him in and and portray us. I just have a little
clip here from Democracy Now. Instead of saying, you know,
what portrays this douchebag elite as douchebag No, he
immediately goes and bitches about the FBI. I think there's a
lot of media focus on the salacious aspects of this case,
for reasons that are obvious, which isn't the media loves sex
scandals. But there are real issues arising from this of
genuine importance and substance beginning with the fact that the
FBI based on really no evidence of any actual crime, engaged in
this massive surveillance effort of first obtaining all kinds of
intimate and private information about two women, one of whom
complained, one of whom was the target of the complaint, Paula
Broadwell. And Joe Kelly, learned the locations and email
accounts of Paula Broadwell, who was the subject of this fairly
innocuous complaint, read through all of her emails, learn
the identity of her anonymous lover, David Petraeus, likely
read through certainly read through all of her emails
probably read through his, and then in the process, as well
learned about an affair between the complaintant Joe Kelly or
not an affair but inappropriate communications, as they're
calling it, and the four star general in Afghanistan, General
Allen and then obtain 20 to 30,000 pages of emails between
them as well. So you're talking about a massively invasive
investigation, without any of their knowledge, obtaining their
most private and intimate communications all without
evidence of any predicate crime, really, without the need, except
in a few cases for judicial review or oversight. And to me,
it really illustrates how how invasive and sprawling this
unaccountable surveillance state has become this happens all the
time, just generally the people less powerful and influential
than the two generals in question here. And so we can
really learn the lessons, I hope about what we've allowed the
government to do in terms of its investigative powers. Instead of
saying, well, wow, this is really not okay with the CIA
director was doing the title of his article. That's why he was
invited on to Democracy Now was FBI is abuse of the surveillance
state is the real scandal here. Regarding John Brennan being
picked the CIA chief, he wrote Brennan's appointment is
crossing multiple lines that no Obama supporter should sanction.
So he was very much against that very much. So I believe that he
is possibly compromised. And that's not the first time you
hear about the CIA, using people in the press, or writing stories
for them for the CIA. And I'm like, okay, maybe maybe this is
you know, maybe there's something to this now. So, Glenn
Greenwald now we have friends, by the way inside all the
alphabet letter agencies, we have NSA challenge coins, but I
have never received anything as cool as this. I mean, this I
mean, Getting a PowerPoint like that. I mean, that's that's it.
I mean, wow. I mean, we don't get past the gift shop. But
Glenn Greenwald in the New York Times says the leak came from,
quote a reader of mine, who was comfortable working with me. The
source Mr. Greenwald said, quote, knew the views that I had
and had an expectation of how I would display them. I'm thinking
really, is that simple, just you're telling me that, that we
have all these people inside the NSA, and other agencies and but
but your source gets a hold of this PowerPoint, so I'm thinking
this is either bullcrap. Or it's much higher up than we could
ever be. Or perhaps maybe it's a little combination. So now I'm
going to look into Mr. Greenwald's history as a
journalist. So he's a journalist, he started out at
Salon magazine, where it became a blogger. Now, salon magazine
is very interesting. It is a publicly listed company. So
there's all kinds of information available about them. current
stock price of Salon magazine, the salon media publishing
Empire is 11 cents a share job, ya know, they lose a million
dollars a year have never been profitable ever. And I'm like,
well, that's kind of interesting. Who is funding this
outfit? Considering you
by the way, that's kind of interesting when you consider
all these other little startups that have come and gone Tech
Crunch and all these other guys to get bought for millions of
dollars and get incorporated into AOL and other things. Salon
has always been, never been up for grabs. I find that actually
peculiar, but go on.
They coming from a a corporate a whole, she'll background, I also
particularly when it comes to funding companies. I also was
like, Well, how does something continue to exist? They've got
to have some sugar daddy, someone who is paying for this.
And if they're paying for it, then there's a reason for that
as well. So there must be some, there's gotta be something
behind this. So it has been unprofitable throughout its
entire history, all this public knowledge. But since 2007, two
board members, including the chairman of the board, have been
funding the company with approximately three to $4
million a year. These two gentlemen are John Warnock, and
William Hambrecht. Would you Are you familiar with these names?
John? I know these guys. Yes, William Hambrecht is of course,
one of the founders of the one of the largest Silicon Valley
venture capital companies. And John Warnock is the CEO, I
believe, of Adobe, Chairman, Chairman, Chairman of Adobe. And
all this information is in the show notes. And Bill Hambrick
daughter I might point out is the president of Salon magazine,
so you know, that's a good hire right there. So if you think
about for a second, all of the companies that were mentioned in
the prism document, all the companies that could compromise
data that's centrally located, what is the one company that
really is inside the CIA and the NSA and the FBI that has its
products used every single day? That is Adobe. And that is
promote primarily Adobe with their reader acrobat. And when
they have this thing called F secure, which is to redact that
PDF files, PDF files, there's so that is such a black box, the
PDF by itself, but let's Of course, look at now, what we all
think of outside of the Creative Suite of Adobe always think
about flash. Let's go back to the dead man talking to me. Dead
man being Steve Jobs, who refused to put flash into iOS,
and he wrote a letter in 2000. It was not long before it was a
2010, I think, or 11. He wrote a letter called his thoughts on
flash. And he outlined a number of reasons why he didn't want
Adobe in iOS. Third, there's reliability, security and
performance. Symantec recently highlighted flash for having one
of the worst security records in 2009. We also know firsthand
that Flash is the number one reason Mac's crash. We've been
working with Adobe to fix these problems but have persisted for
several years. And we don't want to reduce the reliability and
security of our iPhones, iPods and iPads by adding flash. And
if you read now, headline from the register from June 9, that
would be today may was yesterday. It was the eighth
this came out. Steve Jobs death clears way for Adobe CTO
defection the CTO of Adobe has just left to join apple and
there is some question whether maybe flash will come to the
iPhone On which I'll get to in just a moment. Now, we know that
Flash has been doing it has been a security risk. There's been
exploits it there's, it's been accused of phoning home. It's
also on every single computing device pretty much except for
the iOS platform. It True. Most guys who are who are security
conscious that I know, sis admins won't run it. They refuse
like, oh, I can't watch that video, which is why Steve Jobs I
believe said no flash, that thing's a mess. But maybe he
knew a little bit more. Maybe he knew that. That really what
Flash is, is it really is a true spying mechanism. It can access
your camera, your microphone, it can do all kinds of things.
Flash cookies, are really very persistent, very hard to get rid
of. And who uses these things, the advertising world. So I'm
thinking to myself, if Adobe truly were evil, and Adobe wants
to get this document out and make all their competitors look
like horrible people. So they can go on their merry way and
really aggregate the data of the people not go in and sift it but
but really get the data directly right off your computer was
going to be keystrokes for all I know it could be anything Flash
is very, very sophisticated. But it's a black box. We are not. We
can't look inside of all of it. Of course you can't have flash
just dialing home people would catch on to that. But what is
the one thing in this entire conversation that everyone just
dismisses offhand? Whoo, advertising that works track?
Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess it's a good trade off. Why wouldn't
Adobe acquire an advertising network? Well, as it turns out,
Adobe acquired something better, which is a company which was
funded by our friend Warnock's buddy, William Omniture. I'm not
sure which they bought for $3 billion. I'm the chair is the
statistics system of the advertising industry. And
Omniture is a company that was started by a guy called Josh
James, in Utah as a part of the Church of Latter Day Saints, ie
the Mormons who have the largest database of human beings on the
universe. But in the universe, what I'm seeing is I'm seeing
Adobe is the true bad actor, and how many times they upgrade
their flash, and it's still sucking and it's crashing, and
they have Omniture. Embedded in that they're not hiding
anything. They're tracking you. Oh, and most people go oh, well,
you know, it's just advertising, obviously, you know, whatever.
We don't really know what the data is, is being sent back. But
it's there. It's open, it's free and clear on what you're
tracking. And people say it's just advertising, it's not the
government. Now, I think this is by far worse. And this now makes
sense to me that Steve Jobs knew that these guys were up to no
good and he didn't want any part of it. Now, of course, none of
this would make sense unless you could also really put this on
all iOS devices. And here's where I think Apple is now on
board with the program, we've got Tim Cook, who probably
doesn't have the same scruples as Steve Jobs. And you need to
know that Adobe acquired a video ad platform called audit tude.
They're just recently $120 million acquisition. And they
immediately turn this around. And you can't buy ads with them.
Not as far as I can tell from their website. But they've
turned this into Adobe primetime. It's called Project
primetime, it's a video platform, and it will now come
to iOS, it will work on everything. This is what the CTO
guy is coming to do. And it essentially has flash built into
it. And they they were at NAB making deals with every single
broadcaster. And they will become the streaming video
provider of choice because they're going to give it all
away. And now they've successfully put in the true
true spying mechanism into every single computing device on the
planet, sucking that data out right in plain sight. Going back
into the databases, and they have huge data centers through
Omniture. And that's, that's the company that you need to be
afraid of. And that's the company that the CIA, maybe the
NSA, but I think these guys, they'll sell it to anybody. We
know the Mormons, they sell their database to ancestry.com
It's free. No, it's just selling it. So there's nothing sneaky.
And that's why Google and Yahoo and Microsoft are like neither
will the what what they were taken off guard because they
have no idea what's happening. But these guys, these guys
directly tied into Glenn Greenwald directly They are the
ones that are behind this.
Well, a couple of things. It's I like the way you pieces
together, you'll be getting a call from Glenn Beck. Because
you put you through a lot of stuff into one thesis that looks
like it makes sense except a couple of little items. One, the
these companies that you say were caught off guard, it was
curious that they all had pretty much the exact same wordage to
their denials. And I don't think they all call each other say
what are you going to say? What are you going to say it doesn't
detract from what's happened say that but it says nothing good
was caught off as much guard as you as you might imagine, but
to call me Glenn Beck is huge insult.
I didn't call you get Glenn Beck I said he'd be calling.
Oh, well, yeah, I guess you were saying that I didn't like
getting Glenn Beck or something which is insulting to
me. It's not meant to be okay. I play the weasel words for data
capture. And I think there's a couple of little things in there
that I would this one would bounce off.
The US National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly
into the central servers of nine leading us internet companies.
That's according to a report in The Washington Post. It comes in
the back of Britain's Guardian newspaper, claiming Washington
is collecting telephone records of millions of Americans.
Google, Apple, Yahoo, and Facebook having statements
denied the government had direct access to their central servers.
Microsoft said it does not voluntarily take part in any
government data collection.
I like to say two things. One, be reminded the Guardian was in
direct cahoots with WikiLeaks, but not like they took WikiLeaks
and published it in the newspaper. No, we now know. And
it's been published everywhere, that the Guardian would then
call up the State Department say, Hey, we're gonna publish
this that okay, well, no. Could you take that out? Could you
take that out? Okay. Yeah, right. So the New York Times,
and but if you truly if you want to really, instead of having to
go yes, of course, of course, this is taking place with these
companies. But if you really want to have the information of
everybody, it's up. No, I'm not
gonna argue this. I what I wanted to point out is
Microsoft's comment, which was now has been lost due to the
history but where they said they don't voluntarily do anything,
which means that I think that there's some other program in
place, which is forcing them to do stuff, since they use the
word volunteer. Neat, meaning they don't wrap up right and
correct it in
this, but this is, this is the point that you made earlier.
This is not news. We know that they're doing this, we know that
this has been going on. And we know that the FBI isn't in
Facebook, we know that the NSA is in Google. But this is all
peanuts. That's my point. It's peanuts, and it's distracting
from what's really going on right in front of our noses.
I wish they would get rid of flash flashing Villanelle was
doing the x three Show Joe and going onto a rant about how
flash and talking about the cookies you can't get rid of. It
does all kinds of stuff you can't get rid of. There's
nothing you can do. When when you get a whatever it is that
they that you might get planted through flash, it's impossible
to get off your machine.
And Steve Jobs knew this. He knew they were up to no good. He
was at UPenn very famous for hating a lot of these kinds of
people really getting into big feuds with guys exactly like
this. Exactly like this. And I think for these reasons and how
many truly elite superstar super rich people do we know that
still die of cancer today? Not a lot. If you look at the cancer
rate amongst the citizens, how many would besides Steve Jobs,
who else have super elite status way up there in the echelons has
died of cancer in recent memory? Yeah, this is Hugo Chavez,
another enemy of the state. Give me another one.
Exactly. We'd all be enemies of the state.
Yes. Well, Steve Jobs was an enemy of the state.
So but I think I think you've got an interesting thesis and I
like it. But it doesn't detract from way way too bad prediction.
Way to backpedal, dude. It's doesn't detract from my
prediction some weeks back, that once they got the scandals going
there, we're gonna pile on to get rid of Obama. And I think
that this, you can't ignore that this is part of that.
Well, we also in this it's funny, did we not play that? Do
we not play where the President said that he would probably he
might be gone by the next three and a half years. Do we play
that piece? In Play?
Do you have it? Yes.
I was at the end of this clip. I think I
can't trust not only the executive branch at the end of
this clip, don't trust Congress and don't trust federal judge.
It was very weird. I'm actually amazed I didn't play it earlier.
Do process and rule of law, then we're gonna have some problems
here. But my observation is, is that the people who are involved
in America's national security,
I see if I can roll the Constitution forward.
And by the way, we're going after that I will be a private
citizen. Here we go. And I suspect I went too far. The
privacy issues, I will leave this office at some point
sometime in the next three and a half years.
Maybe earlier. I don't know. Sometime, maybe next year, maybe
next month?
Well, maybe. There was two interesting clips that are also
floating around that would seem to have been regurgitated into
the into the net to give a to pile on Obama. And one of them,
I got the two here, then they're floating around. I didn't have
to do any digging at him to do go to C span. They're just out
there, which is the one where Laffer lies to Congress and play
that.
Okay. So what I want to just see is if you could give me this is
this is Laffer clapper
who, I think it's Clapper, okay. No, no, it's Laffer the new guy.
Those laughs I was new to yesterday. Oh, wait, wait, wait.
That's why this is this is months ago. And this is white in
one of those committee meetings.
Play now. Yeah. So what I want to just see is if you could give
me a yes or no answer to the question. Does the NSA collect
any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions
of Americans? No, sir. It does not. Not
wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps
collect
but not not wittingly. It's like she fell onto my penis. I can't
it's just happened.
So he's done. Meanwhile, holder Who's No, no,
yeah, that's that was that was my favorite that was older comes
out and says the following, which is actually frightening
answer if you think about it, but it just asked, Could you
assure to us that no phones inside the Capitol were
monitored of members of Congress, that would give a
future executive branch if they started pulling this kind of
thing off, would give them unique leverage of the
legislature.
With all due respect, Senator, I don't think this is an
appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I'd be more
than glad to come back in a in an appropriate setting to
discuss the issues that you have raised.
You didn't get them. You didn't get the last part where the the
senator says that? No, the appropriate answer would be no.
I didn't get that because it wasn't on the clip. Oh, really?
Who's doing who's doing your clips? No, no, this is the clip
that was floating around the net. Here that Oh, hold on
here. Let me play you the full improper clip.
When government bureaucrats are sloppy. They're usually really
sloppy. When it just asked, Could you assure to us that no
phones inside the Capitol were monitored of members of Congress
that would give a future executive branch if they started
pulling this kind of thing off, would give them unique leverage
of the legislature.
With all due respect, Senator, I don't think this is an
appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I'd be more
than glad to come back in a in an appropriate setting to
discuss the issues that you have raised in this open forum. I
don't I don't have what
I would interrupt you and say the correct answer would be say,
No, we stayed within our lane, and I'm assuring you we did not
spy on members of Congress.
That would be the correct answer. Right. No, we didn't spy
on you. But of course,
he did. Yeah, obviously. That's what that's what the answer
says. Yeah, he obviously did.
It's great. It's great. I love it.
So yeah, well, things are going downhill as we speak.
The McLaughlin group had a guy on from the Economist. And
someone told me who was that that said that to me the other
day said, Well, this story is so big. It's even in the economists
like yeah, natural for abuse. But there is no reality yet.
It's got to be when of course it's a British guy from the
economist, who's who's on the McLaughlin group. He has a
different different reality of than we do here in America watch
very closely the potential is great. It could I agree with
Eleanor
reality. It's not what's the economist saying about this?
Look, I
think that you're right. You know, you have the choice. You
say, is it shocking? Or is it an abuse of privacy? Well, you know
what, it? It is an abuse of privacy, but I don't think it
shocks anyone. I mean, if you think about it, if if someone
says to you, did you know that the American government pays
attention when someone in New York makes a phone call to
InnoEnergy Hardy in Pakistan, and if that flashes up, they
then track it. I kind of assumed that that's what the NSA is. I
mean now information. They may not be talking about their
business, they may be talking about their personal life. The
idea the idea that the NSA tracks these these foreign phone
calls and emails is what the NSA is for. I don't think the
American public realizes
this is bullcrap me this is a pivot. Yes, of course. It has
nothing to do. That's not what we're talking about. We're
talking about tracking and saving the Google emails and
dent taking all the metadata from all the phones from
Verizon. Yes, not about I mean, yeah, that old saw about well,
you know, when a phone call comes in, and it stays all over.
I think he actually said a light switch on the switchboard goes
on. We've got a Pakistani
jackpot on a slot machine in Vegas away, he makes
a jihadi calling. Oh, we better check this one out. That's what
we're for here at the NSA. So we are being duped in a number of
things. I believe Glenn Greenwald is a shill. I believe
that he is compromised by the CIA, that he has published these
documents which may not be may or may not be authentic. I
believe that He has published them under the auspices of Adobe
and Omniture. To make it maybe he might not even know that he's
doing it. He may think that he has the scoop of the century.
But I think the connections are close enough that this is a made
to obfuscate the word you used earlier, the true spying
mechanism that is taking place. And when Adobe primetime comes
out, I encourage you not to install it. It'll be hard
because they're gonna have all the primetime all your shows all
your favorite celebrate ease. Oh god install the software I'm on
because it's got it's got all the celebrities sports Oh, this
was gonna be gonna have everything. And it's gonna be
almost free. Another free trinket we hold in front of you.
It's shiny and glistening. Don't worry, just install it it'll be
perfect
Well, the problem with the thesis is that if this was ever
discovered, is really risky.
I don't understand what what you mean by discovered it is
happening.
Now that you say it's happening but do you don't there's no
evidence that that these guys are phoning home or spying on
us? It's a flash mechanist hold on
you. You seem to misunderstand what I'm saying. This isn't you
didn't get it on the site. Got it. Go look in your flash
cookies right now. And you'll see there an ominous your flash
cookie. Yeah. Yeah, that is that is phoning home. It is phoning
home consistently. It's not the actual phoning home mechanism.
But you go to a site and on the church is on every single site,
John? So they are tracking you they are but they're not
tracking you for advertising purposes. They're tracking.
That's
the that's the that's the you've got to prove that.
What do you mean, I've got to prove it. You can you as an
advertiser, the biggest advertising agencies in the
universe, pay Omniture money to get behavioral data on what
people are surfing to.
to I'm not going to say that you're wrong, I just really
wonder because for example, we criticize constantly, the crappy
job, they do have targeting advertising. And this is all
done through Omniture. So you're saying that even though they
can't do their own, what they're supposed to be doing correctly,
they're somehow profiling everybody in the country and
sending off this data to the NSA or the CIA or one of these three
letter words, I would say that they're doing a good job of that
does two different things. You're talking about what ads
people are seeing that's different than knowing every
single website you serve to that's different than when and
when you install Gmail there's flashing that there's all this
flash everywhere John, this flash everywhere Omni you
installed Ghostery and see that Omniture is not on every single
page. It's one thing to get the data and then try and recommend
an ad it's another thing to get the data and know what the hell
someone's doing. It's two different things.
Diet agree Okay, and what and what I'm still I'm now I have to
uninstall a bunch of stuff and use a different I think we
should do the no agenda browser. Oh, and
by the way, this Adobe primetime will also be on Xbox. It's gonna
it's gonna be on everything is going to be the new de facto
standard. Truly, and this is what the fight has always been
about between HTML five and N. Flash and you get an open
standard that doesn't have the Celebrate ease. And the people
are stupid. They're stupid.
Here's, here's a little tidbit when html5 was rolled out, I
won't say who this was, but a very kind of a famous guy.
Why can't you say because you'd be compromised, you'll get shot.
Now it's because it's just cheap. Okay? All right. Got it.
And the guy says to me, oh, Adobe's dead. Really dead,
because this is going to kill flash. And I thought about that
for a while. And I still, you know, it's a possibility that
this html5 could kill flash, because right now we just put
video, colon or whatever the tag is, for running videos, instead
of doing it through flash, which is always problematic is, you
know, they got to updating it all is worse than real player.
They're updating it constantly for whatever reason, and it's
suspect. And it's got Yeah, and you get
all the time. There's always an update. So always sucking and
why. And why is it crashing? Who knows what it's doing in there.
It probably shouldn't be banished.
Most definitely should be banished. This is we need to
start an anti Adobe primetime campaign, because that's the
final frontier they need to get on the iOS devices. That's what
it's always been about the CTO of Adobe leaves and goes to
Apple just before this happens. All this takes place after Steve
Jobs dies. No, no, no. If anyone wanted to preserve any legacy of
Steve Jobs, and you should you should when they do this when
they basically through a a backhanded way install Flash
onto the iOS platform. You all should take your phones and go
throw them at headquarters in Cupertino, smash your phones and
say you are pissing on the legacy of Steve Jobs. Because
that's what's that's what will take place. And Tim Cook look at
the guy. Come on. He you know, he bit. Okay, come on. NCIS.
Come on in. And as you can see the guys at worse when when he
should be British. He's not. I think I'm very, very concerned.
And I just look at all these things in the advertising angle.
I've never thought about that. And, and it's not just Omniture
is not an ad network. It is a tracking mechanism. And that's
the thing that direct started by the Mormons. Hello. If anyone
can connect the names to the numbers is them.
All right, well, I went out follow this. I'm sure you'll
have more to say about it. This primetime thing. I'm not sure if
that's even going to catch on. But we'll see.
When they have the celebratory content it will that's what I'm
surprised you didn't see you didn't see this at the I didn't
at the NAB because this was may
have been there, but I didn't see it. And I went to the Adobe
conference. I didn't see it. Well, I didn't know very little
about Project primetime. I hadn't
heard of it at all. I had no idea was going on until I
stumbled across it. And I see the CTO of Adobe's left to go
work for Apple. i Okay. And then I see comments. If you look at
it, and all this in the show notes five to zero and he shows
you see comments from I think like your typical SIS admin
sysadmin Linux guy could be like, Hey, this is just bringing
flash in on the back end. Everyone sees it. People that
care. Doesn't matter if it's installed. It's installed. And
once it's installed, then any page that has a little eaten
those invisible flash things. There you go. Okay,
I like this. I like the theory. Well, thank apples hire of anti
Adobe, anti apple. Adobe CTO raises it so the guy was anti
apple. Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch will soon be trading jerseys and
going over to Team Apple a move that has some apple watchers
perplexed. Adobe confirmed Lynch's job change late Tuesday
following a regulatory filing that revealed Lynch's plans.
Apple later confirmed the move as well saying Lynch's blog
title at Apple would be VP of technology. And then he
reporting to current hardware lead Bob Mansfeld. Kevin Lynch,
Adobe CTO is leaving the company to take a position at Apple.
Well, here's the question that comes to mind. Why it for
the integration? Obviously, we have iOS
know that you would do a that's not a job change. That's that
would be that makes any sense normally
no
There was a lot of things that it didn't make sense. When Adobe
bought if you read the articles if you go back and read the
articles why Adobe bought Omniture people like why is
Adobe buying Omniture? This makes no sense.
But yeah, actually I I've noticed that but eventually
originally hails from Macromedia, which of course is
version of Flash flash. But now to really add to your thesis,
you should do a little background on that macro media
and how that got started to create flash in the first place.
Well, the funny thing is, Mark Kanter started that.
Yes, he did. And I'm one of them. I'm not, I'd have to say
he did
director though he did director so I, I don't think he's
spooked. I know Mark pretty well. He's a he's not a spoke.
He's a stoner for sure. And he's, he's a fun guy. But now
he's, he's not a part of a part of that. But the, when you look
at Adobe, if you look at their, they have an entire program for
PDFs by themselves, you shouldn't use PDF, either
Acrobat or whatever. And use it and I think I'm convinced this
is why
by the way, which is Apple again, they had their own they
had their
Thank you they had the preview because they didn't want the
calling home thing of Acrobat Reader. If you look at the
government, if you look, I spent some time last night looking at
the Adobe website, and particularly their government
stuff. They you can track a PDF through an entire organization
as large as the government, you can track exactly who has it,
where it's going. They have this thing called Echo sign, which is
for legal documents, which there's a couple of competing
products, but Adobe echo sign is used for contracts in the
commercial world. And the minute you sign that and click it, it's
talking back, it's calling home, it's definitely calling Adobe.
Bad This is a known fact. PDF by itself is evil, do not open Do
not open it in Adobe Reader.
Macro media created Shockwave, which was the forerunner and
cursor cursor. Yep, a director of a director viewer plugin for
web browsers but later moved to expand its market by this and do
this by branching out to web native media tools in 19 97k. Or
Patel, founder of social philanthropy fund, fuse global
look into that. And then it had Stephen Elop now CEO of Nokia
created his first web strategy, which later proved to be the
most valuable pivot point for Macromedia and being acquired by
Adobe for multi billions of dollars.
Yeah, it's not like this is it? They're not making the money off
of sales of the director. Okay. Adobe makes a lot of money.
They're not making it off the sales of Photoshop.
Anyway, interesting, actually, the history of Macromedia on the
Wikipedia is worth reading.
Alright, shall we? Should we leave this for the time being so
we can regroup a little and maybe we'll come back to that on
Thursday?
If there really anything else, I do have some interesting clips.
I think right now. 6969. The show must move by donation to no
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And before we get into this rosin off, I do want to thank
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No, you said Houston. I did. Yeah. Yeah. The whole joke of
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that's quite as maybe 10. But we're going to hold a record at
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six nine will be this this has to end.
So we have so the next six nine will be in five years.
Well no, this is not true. Because today was USA Swaziland
off day, as most people pointed out. The truce was enough of the
world Swasey enough day will be in
September. Yes, but I don't think we have a show on that
day. Let's take a look. We can still
celebrate the day with by doing
it. So it'd be nine.
It'll be September 6. Yes. Yeah. Do we have a show Friday? It's
Friday. It'll still be world squalls enough day by
presidential proclamation.
I will see. Anyway, so that's our group and want to thank all
of them and a few more we have to feed, which lesser amounts
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And then 50 from Tyler Doherty in Savannah, Georgia. Great town
by the way, Mark Tanner, Whittier, California, and Keith
Gibson and Holly Springs, North Carolina. Since the show has
been great lately. Shout out to the shill in Chapel Hill and
Vincent
Farrell who you skip I think this spreadsheet needs to
changing because it's difficult for you
I didn't say Vincent Farrell and San Bruno California I don't
think so. No. And well he's I said it now.
Yes you did indeed. Hey well good showing everybody thank you
very much I made a personal plea this time for us was enough and
it's a good Swaziland off indeed. Particularly since
Mickey will be home she will not get stuck in Atlanta. She will
be home and I feel that we've delivered some value for value
so I feel pretty good about this today. Thank you so much. We
have some make goods which I don't know what they mean. John,
do you have a note on BART Burton's and Marco Strauss?
Where's this?
Well this showed up in the
there were there were mentioned earlier and apparently that was
part of the they were left off the last spreadsheet so they
weren't mentioned gotcha gotcha in the green
there Yeah. Oh, it's green is that green? Okay got it.
I'm a little colorblind is green on mine
I'm sure it's green I'd see it's not it looks more like a sickly
yellow on mine but that's could be just my monitor I want to
thank healthy surprise Did you get a box
yes I did get a bunch of the boxes are shrinking
well you know I think that's right because
these guys that are making this these products a lot of them are
going out of business because not all these products are
edible.
Did you try anything new in the healthy healthy Surprise Box
nothing that was that stood out is I mean this stuff the old
classics like those little macaroons and some of these
other things that are just delicious. Yeah, the Mac net
combinations.
I had the chips what was it? Was that was one of the bigger bags
in there had kind
of the pineapple chips. No,
no, no, it was like, what was it? I can't remember what it was
crisps more not like really chips but more. There was light
light and new Azure gobbled them up gobbled them
up. I like to the pineapple chips.
Healthy surprise.com Always hooks us up with with a box of
a box of fried food. Yeah, free food.
Well we like it and it keeps forever that stuff. That's what
I like about it is that stuff is never goes out of stock.
The real drawback to that box is there's always something with
kale.
I'm not big on kale dried
kale, kale chips, kale, doughnuts, kale, all these
different kinds of kale things they're terrible. Doughnuts.
Okay.
Kale doughnuts. Also at least Garling did she send you a
bottle of wine of her homemade wine?
You talking about the lemon did no not
the lemon cello? I know you got that? No, she's she sent me a
bottle of her homemade wine which I have not consumed yet.
I'm waiting to consume that with with a lovely Ms. Mickey. I'm
looking forward to that. No,
I didn't get a bottle of wine.
I think she actually said in the note don't let John get his
panties in a bunch he's getting one too so
a motion she she makes it one bottle at a time but now i don't
know i don't know maybe it's good be she's fermenting as we
speak
these are hot Fisher chick from Alaska. They're so so this was
fun Washington. Yeah, whatever. Same thing. Washington Alaska is
that kind of the same area kinda. Anyway, thank you very
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We say happy birthday to rainstick Sherry who celebrates
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And we had on Victus in there. Yeah, I just threw it at the
end. I couldn't hear because I had this rain stick going. Yeah.
Yeah, that's
that's that's the drawback. Sir page snakes is officially a
Baronet. want to mention that that his title changes today? A
second knighthood? He had no idea that he he overlooked his
his knighthood. I second night it over a year ago.
Yeah, there's a couple that we have to bring up to speed. Yeah.
And we want to apologize to Greg Brunson who has been a knight
forever and we keep because he comes in at a I don't know why
it doesn't show up.
And we got a note which I will read because we do have a a
Daming today, in the morning, boys. I've given Adam and Miss
Mickey a blanket sent cashed did the show and enjoyed the water
conferred by the rain stick. I listened to the big voice and
sentence was enough lucra I've hit people in the mouth and
thrown shoes. I have been a good little slave. But lately, I've
been spinning questioning authority and reading Atlas
Shrugged. Come to find out I'm not turning into an Illuminati,
but I turned into a game weeks ago when I didn't even know it
included me at the roundtable please I have an appetite for
Mudbugs and moonshine. Oh no, not
another one. I'm
gonna add it right now.
Mudbug Mudbugs
and moonshine Now do you remember who this is?
No, not offhand. So you get a blanket and
no you didn't? You did not as you will be Lady of the loom.
Day melody when we were in on the Hot Pockets tour. She is the
producer who said that we helped her get through her chemo her Oh
that's right. Her whole cancer and I said no no you got through
cancer said no no. You guys got me through cancer and the
blanket that she needed for us. Do you I don't know if
you have this knitted or loomed it's knitted knitted knitted
blankets.
And it's whew it's a two person blanket. Yeah, no I'm absolutely
sure because we talked about it if you have this we that's our
go to blanket Do you have one of those like a go to blanket in
the house where?
Yes I do from and it tends to be my blankets tend to be from
Peru.
Well, mine's from Dallas. But if it's between you and me, we love
we love our blanket. And it's very special to us because of
the story behind it. So we really liked that and very happy
to bring you in to the exclusive club if John if you wouldn't
mind and we can have
a second I can't get stuck. Let me get some WD 40 Okay.
Wow, theater of the mind ladies and gentlemen. Melody man
stepped forward. We are very very proud to have you still
with us first of all, and at the no agenda roundtable of Knights
and Dames. Thanks for your contributions of which they are
many. I hereby pronounce the day melody man Lady of the loom.
Come on for your hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay,
long haired man heavy metal guys and Scotch vodka and vanilla
bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider and escorts mutton to meet
or buy your choice Mudbugs and moonshine Can I skip a couple
there for the for the dames because he or she may want the
long haired heavy metal guys and Scotch but she may not want the
winches and beer I don't think so. Just knowing her a little
bit. Right should be holding to that.
You should have two lists. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
To read from to read from I tell you. Oh, man.
Well, let's see.
Oh, I have something funny.
I got some funny.
Yeah, it's not as funny as what I got.
Okay, play your funny thing first.
Here's what I have. Why does it play man who's gone? No agenda
show. Little faster. Now. I think that the faster one I
think it is the faster one. This came in from Torrey Pines, high
school San Diego student voices. And this is it's actually a that
is a I guess from the the student newspaper and they have
a couple of slave slaves in training. The question is, was
the Justice Department was the Department of Justice? Correct.
And using a subpoena to access associated presses records? Are
you interested in hearing what the students of Torrey Pines
High School in San Diego say?
Oh, absolutely.
Charlie Pope nine years old says they are justified. If one of
the CIA's own told the person the information then it's their
own responsibility. Casey Cunningham 10 years old, she
says it was for the overall good of everyone involved. national
security is more important than someone writing in a newspaper.
Oh. Ali Zimmer is 11. Yeah, I think it's okay. Because it's
our country. And they're doing this to keep us safe. It's a
reasonable thing to do. And, and finally, Santiago Quintana,
who's 12 says, Hey, man, not wiretapping would compromise the
safety of our nation. The AP should be sorry, maybe even
properly say so. There you go. Ladies and gentlemen, that's
your future. That is that is truly the future of the slaves
in America. And yet, plus your
future and who's going to eat his On the no agenda show, which
brings me to the Bill Maher little rant about the bought the
declar. about them. Sorry, the Bill of Rights. Can you can play
that, please? Yes.
One second Maher. Absolutely yes.
And by the way, before I start, it's less offensive what Bill
Maher said than the audience's reaction to what Bill Maher
said, oh,
boy about this before on the show, if it's good for the goose
is good for the gander. Well, no, I mean, if the Fourth
Amendment now is up for debate, and apparently it is because all
these things we're doing if you go through the Fourth Amendment,
you go line by line. Now we've kind of really abrogated that.
Then why isn't the Second Amendment up for debate? It's
just as obsolete as the Fourth Amendment. It's true. No, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The applause sign went on.
They don't know what their Well, yeah. They didn't actually
listen to what he said.
What he said essentially, was that the Bill of Rights, which
includes the Second Amendment and the Fourth Amendment, and
the First Amendment and the 10th amendment, and everything in
between is up for grabs, because because we've or he's accepted
the government story on the Fourth Amendment being useless
or archaic or, or old fashioned or whatever the heck, he said,
This is the most disgusting person in the world to do this.
It's the most anti American thing he's done. To say that,
essentially the Bill of Rights is bullcrap. So there's no
freedom of a union, if it's up for grabs, good for the good,
good, good for the goose good for the gander. That said, take
another second. Look at the First Amendment. Freedom of
Religion screw that freedom of the press, freedom of assembly,
screw it. Well, di is This is
horrible. I don't know if I took it that way. I took that a
little differently. I took it for him to say it's I thought he
was saying it facetiously
that I voted against the Second Amendment. So why would he say
it facetiously he
has a gun. He He's a gun owner.
That's beside the point. No, he dipped out GD. He's not a
facetious person. He meant it. He meant that the Fourth
Amendment shot. So the second amendment gotta go
show and we looked at the Fourth Amendment. Well, we've looked at
it in the past. Again, we should just talk about it for a second.
Because What's always interesting about these, when
people say, Oh, there's the Fourth Amendment, the First
Amendment, you sometimes just gotta go and read it and just
see what it says. And let's see if it's reasonable or not. I
have it here, the text of the Fourth Amendment, the right of
the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not
be violated. So I like this is again, this is the fourth
amendment is not a right. I have the right to be secured by
person house paper and effects against unreasonable search and
seizures. The fourth amendment is telling the government you
cannot violate my already existing rights. In addition, no
warrants shall be issued, but upon probable cause supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Now, and that's the end,
I think they get around. Yeah, that's the end if that's simple,
too. So it has been reasonably encroached. And by the
way, I should mention this. The reason this was written in the
first place is because during the pre revolutionary war times,
George the Third in his goons, they were just bussing in
anybody's house whenever they felt felt like it kind of like
what happened in Boston.
Yes, which there's a word for that. And I had that last week,
because I was reading about the governor, maybe a habit here. So
the governor, let me see if I find this the governor of
Massachusetts. The story is what's his name? I bet you still
have the story here somewhere. What's his name? Govan govern
nor? What's his name, John. I don't know. Why don't you know
this? You're the book of knowledge. Patrick, that
black guy
named Patrick
developed? Devall. Oh, now,
d v. Al. Yeah. I can't find it offhand. Oh, yes. Here it is.
After here. This is pretty funny, too. After the manhunt
was over, he apparently went out and got hammered. Yeah, so So
just want to read this to you. This is very interesting.
Governor Deval Patrick gave a candid behind the scenes look at
the horrific days after the Boston Marathon bombings telling
employees at a Cambridge marketing firm yesterday he got
quite drunk the day after the intense manhunt finally ended
and we know He got drunk because he knows that there was no
evidence. There's no video evidence of anything that went
on.
Right? And he was the one who let the diseases of the
stormtroopers go in and out of one house after another. So
here's how he plays it back, by the way, dressed as Storm
Troopers.
Yes, that's even worse. Patrick said the killing of bomber to
Marian Sarnath. And the capture of his younger brother Dzhokhar
Tsarnaev on April 19, was a relief, because people wouldn't
be bitching and moaning he said about the unprecedented Shelter
in Place order he gave that day. And he says he claims the
President called him and said, hey, you've all How long had
that shelter in place in place? Did you know about that is
called a shelter in place that that was the I knew that that
was the words they used. I didn't I think that's a great
term. I didn't know that shelter in place. Isn't that mean? Like
crouch and cower?
It's the same thing as they do with those kids. In the school's
yes shelter.
That's exactly what it is. Go crouch in the in the dark
closet. cower in the corner and be in a wimp. Yeah. Kratos
crouches, Hauer well, that look.
Well, that what did the President told him? What was the
give go back to that
key said? He said, Deval, I'm briefed. What are you going to
do about the city? You can't keep it locked down
indefinitely. I said, Mr. President, I know that. I'm
trying to sort that out now. Basically, the state police said
had said we should end this when we finished the door to door in
Watertown. So if we haven't found him, we should say to
people, look, live your lives. But please be careful because
he's still at large. And it's just more about him being drunk.
Interesting. Yeah. I like that.
Crouch and cower.
So you remember when we did the
what? So?
You catch yourself more than I catch myself at the moment.
Anyways, anywho.
Horrible. No, that's not that's an unnecessary unnecessary
roughness. I call it
we heard a story. We talked about this some time back when
there was some stuff we're picking up on C span about the
massacre that took place on in Yemen that early in Obama's
bombing career placements. The place was called some it was
some village where they kill all these women. It's where
they make the cuts the drugs. And so
don't want to play that clip, which is the same here. Where is
it attack in Yemen. We heard about first time that time you
play that
and I wanted to turn to another attack. And that's the case of
Modula.
Well, the the the first time that President Obama authorized
a any strikes against Yemen was December 17 2009. Yemen had been
bombed by the United States once before that under President Bush
in November of 2002. And President Obama was expanding
the authorities for the Joint Special Operations Command in
the CA to strike in countries beyond Afghanistan and elsewhere
around the world. And in this first missile attack, the US use
cruise missiles and cluster bombs on this small Bedouin
village in the in Modula in Abyan province, and they said
that they were targeting a an al Qaeda leader and then all kinds
of training camp. And it turned out that the bombing killed 46
people, 14 women and 21 children, and the Yemeni
government actually took responsibility for the strikes,
and said that its own Air Force had conducted it and that it was
a successful attack against an al Qaeda base. And the United
States began conspiring with the Yemeni regime to bomb Yemen, and
then have the Yemenis take responsibility for it. And
General David Petraeus, the CENTCOM commander was revealed
in the WikiLeaks cables to have hatched this plot with the
Yemeni dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh. But this was one of the
most gruesome attacks that's been conducted over the past
three years in Yemen, shredding human beings, children and women
in this strike that they said was aimed at an al Qaeda camp.
Good work.
So we've talked about this before that with these details,
they also had some people on from Yemen including this one
guy, who was describing essentially this was like
hundreds of cows and sheep, and goats, and these women and
children and when the cluster bombs came in, it blew
everything up, killed all these animals, which I think at least
Obama bots can get worked up about that kill all these
animals. And according to this guy who was was on the scene
later, he says that it was like meat, mixed meat. We had pieces
of cow with humans, disgusting description, and it was all
burned up and stuff. Yeah, it was just a horrible it's
probably stunk to high heaven. Whatever the case. She's
explaining kind of this at The end of the Democracy Now show
and this is one of the things I want to point out with this
clip, which is the Democracy Now, or Amy Goodman and show in
a hurry. This is one of the reasons I want to point out to
people why you're supporting this show because we never in
fact broadcasters can get around this but generally speaking,
it's disgusting to have to end the show when the middle of
somebody's chatting and here's an example honestly, we could
only found very very few home with a karaoke and I and we've
mixed with hundreds of sheep and goats. And I mean they were all
mixed together I mean with blood and they got bombed with about
six or seven
shape salad men curry and masala Locky. I want to thank you both
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she gets all his plugs in at the embassy can't let the guy
finish. This is why the show stayed
it was a mixed meet shish kebab plate with smelled really
delicious. Very nice.
I think that some of the media people can't get it out of their
heads that they're, you know, the people that work in these
commercial operations can't help themselves. Yeah. So I think
it's getting to them because you can play this clip Central
Coast. You'll see what I'm talking about. This is a little
outro but this week's Ag Report, I'm Brianna Berman solo your
Central Coast News.
Right. So how come I didn't understand this one, I think
Central Coast News. But this week's Ag Report. I'm Brianna
Berman solo you're Central Coast News. Yes.
That's right. It was the Ag Report. So yes, it was this
news.
What are you doing? Central kosher?
What are you doing watching the Ag Report Dvorak?
Always watch them. It's very important to California to watch
the Ag reports. Half now if you didn't think that was bad
enough. Yeah. Oh, no. Okay, we're wrapping up the armed
services committees finally voted on a bill. And they're
going to just pass it. And they're and they're in the
process of doing the voting and the rest of it. And, and then
this happens, clowning in Congress.
The Chair now recognizes gentleman from Texas, Mr.
Thornberry, Vice Chair of the House for the purpose of a
motion as chairman, I move the committee report the bill hr
1960, as amended favorably to the house with a recommendation
that it do pass. The question is on the motion of the gentleman
from Texas, Ms. Thornberry, so many as are in favor will vote
aye. Those opposed no.
I call for a vote. I want to count.
I'm sorry to interrupt this, this this late date, but I would
be doing a bad job. Right. We have a member of our staff whose
birthday is today as well. We don't have a song. Thing. kind
of embarrassed about that. But Tim mcleese, who has done an
outstanding job for us?
What is going on? If you want to quit quit if you want to quickly
quickly sing the Republican song. Republican sorry, I don't
I don't remember it. But is is your birthday song.
It doesn't last too long. Second verse is much like the first.
This is your birthday song. It doesn't last too long. I'm
trying to give you guys a chance to learn this. It takes some of
us years. Happy birthday.
I'd like to thank the members for working in such a harmonious
bipartisan manner. This,
it's what it was you're watching your Congress at work.
Wow. And then they get thanked for the harmonious manner in
which they sang together. All right, well, then I get to do
something stupid. That was on television. This came in this
morning. I'm sure you've heard about it. So the Bilderberg
Group for that. What do you call John? The drinking club is going
on over there in Watford. Watford I believe is where Elton
John is from. I think it's kind of divided. I think he's
performing in the foyer actually. And, you know, every
single year in the we've we've looked at this I've met a couple
Bilderbergers the current minister of foreign affairs that
afford this Secretary of State I guess is what you'd call Holland
in the Netherlands. He's the guy that I interviewed him once on
the Dutch radio show where they burned the station to the
ground. And he said, You're doing very important work here.
You got to continue this. He was trying to like give me a clue
like, we're really up to no good. But this Bilderberg and I
was like, oh, and then the last last time was oh, there Romney
is the man that we're the New World Order has determined
Romney is going to win. Well, how'd that work out. So now I'm
much more on the, on the drinking club front. But lately,
but this year, there must be 3000 people out there and it's
funny because you can see now, the weather some of them are I'm
sure some people doing it intentionally. I have always
suspected Alex Jones of doing this. You know, there was an
actual guy in a clown suit. The clown makeup on running around
this man there's people ventriloquist talking the whole
so it makes it look like a bunch of nut jobs. True, true freakin
nut jobs, who really some people have very good analysis, there's
some really intelligent people there. You know, we we look, we
try to give you an alternative version of what's happening in
the world. But what discredits us time and time again, Alex
Jones is an aihole. He goes out there, and he does the stuff on
mainstream television, which makes it that much harder for
anyone to question, any type of true conspiracy, which are the
stories the mainstream the minority mainstream media
propagates, when you do things like this on the BBC. And by the
way, there's no reason for him to go on the BBC. He says he's
got 3 million listeners, 40 million people watch his videos.
There's no reason for him to go on the BBC on a Sunday. Because
he's just always I mean, just listening to how this ended. It
was unbelievable how he is hurting, hurting the alternative
media's chances and reaching anybody because the minute you
bring up anything now, people think that this is who you are.
And that's why because the establishment right know what to
do. Alex is this point and it's an it's an important one, I
would have, say 10 years ago said, listen to all this stuff.
He believes that people put cancer virus in vaccines in
order to create a eugenics program. That's what that's what
he believes. We would have said, and we would I would have said
that's kind of mad and so on. And it's an interesting
psychological problem. Conspiracy theories like this.
I believed I believed in I'm here to warn people you keep
telling me to shut up. This isn't a game. Okay. Our
government the US is building FEMA camps. We have an NDA where
they disappear people now you have this arrest for public
safety life in prison. You are the worst person of interest No,
no, it's their heads disappear. David, thanks for watching we
have a new program. Not stop the Republic humanity's awakening
infowars.com
If you guys are probably looking at the week ahead with our
political panel. The Sunday politics crossed the finger the
public isn't waking up
well, you gotta give him credit.
He got the URL. And that's for sure. twice now. So I think this
really she I think I think it's unnecessary.
Before you go, Can you Can I just interrupt for a second
before you because I want to hear what you say. But this
reminds me of that guy that has the question marks all over his
suit. Remember that guy? The ribs? So the book height you get
all this money from the government? Oh, yeah, that guy?
Yeah, he had all these question marks over suit. He had an
agent. I won't mention his name because it's ridiculous. Who
said you know what you ought to do get annoyed and get a best
seller out of this because you got the same guy. You know, that
guy forgot his name. You should do something like that. This is
like this is like what Alex Jones is doing. It's just a he's
just a clown. What? Yeah,
complete complete clown. Um, here's the guy. I Hold on.
What's his name? I got I got him on the Google's free money.
Matthew Lesko.
Yeah, let's go.
You know, you could pull it off. Actually, I see if you if you
put on the suit and the bow tie.
The bow giants. Opposite to me tells you you so what were you
thinking when you heard this? That's a by the way. I will. No,
no, no, no, I
can't. I can't take it. I can't take it. No. Two years ago.
Well, what was that? You can't
take the Clip of the Day. No,
no, I can't take I can't I cannot accept it. I just can't
accept that. No, I can't. I I don't think it's that great.
Okay, no, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Hold
it in abeyance. You get a second place you know
after you after you like compare him to Glenn Beck. You know,
that's still kind of smarts a little bit
more thing, but you won't be so sensitive after Mickey shows up,
slaps you around. Yeah,
this is this is so unnecessary and so stupid and so
counterproductive. It really is. Now you just got to question the
motives.
No, I'm a totally agree with you on this that there's no this guy
has got some motives behind this sort of ranting because it makes
everybody including us look like whoa, not a conspiracy jerks.
And yeah,
here's what's here's what's really important to understand
his he is so 1970 with his FEMA camps, and what else that he was
a Yellin about. They're coming to take you away he
has, they're gonna disappear, disappear and people.
Okay, so here's what you need to understand. It is. It is so much
more subtle, but so much more worse than that. It is so beyond
that no one's coming to take you away to a FEMA camp.
No, I think you you having those kids clips?
Yes. This is this is the subtlety of it. This is
what the kids Oh, that's Did you free press. That's not
important. We don't need that. Yes,
this is this is the real problem. This is really where
it's going. This is what you have to protest. This is if you
really want to do something, do this with your own family, do
this in your own environment, do this with your own friends. And
you got to be eat because now it's gotten that much harder.
You can't just say, well, this is nuts. You know, we're, we're
teaching our kids to cower in the corner. We're teaching
people to what was the term again, shelter in place, we all
have to balance out your security for your freedom, this
is the thing you need to fight that that the only thing that he
has right is it and I wish they didn't miss that is the whole
idea of an information war. That is that is the truth. And is so
much more damaging. So and but if they want to kill you, it is
not a problem. We just released one of the viruses, there's tons
of ways to do it. This is not to come and take you away this new
one, it's annoying, they're not going to take you away. It's
annoying to have to stack bodies anywhere or put them in camps
and take care of them. They don't want that. That's too much
work too much work that re educating your children. You're
no longer important. You and I John, I think we have no stake
in the outcome anymore, quite honestly, which I think is why
we are so free, which isn't great. I
think we'd have zero stake in the outcome. Yeah, we're just I
actually even think, you know, my kids have maybe J might have
some, I think this is a long term process. Yeah, probably
take one more generation, and then you just have the whole
public could be gone, you know, that essentially, we lose the
Republic, to the one to one world order or whatever, or
whatever that
whatever the thing was that we'd probably be running.
I'm not saying that, you know, we would be running it. The
Americans, but it's like there's the public could just be left
behind.
But it is truly only a matter of you changing your own attitude
and behavior. That's all it is. When Miss Mickey says this is
great, and people are gonna wake up. Yeah, I have to say I'm
cautiously a little optimistic. But you really have to, we got
to work at so much more. And you need to do very simple things.
Like saying, don't install Flash or the new Adobe, whatever. But
also, Hey, did you know that that the first and second, third
and fourth amendment that they're not rights, but that
they are actually rights you already have and they and this
is stuff that government can do to your existing rights? These
are very minimal things. But when people see that they go,
Huh, they don't even know this?
No, I know that one little fact, would you like to pound which I
think you should, because I never do it is really important
to for people to realize that the Constitution was to keep the
government from doing things not to give them abilities to do
things
and attacks. And the President who keeps saying his first
responsibility is to protect the American people is not true.
That is not his responsibility. You can look in Article Two. And
I picked it up just the other day. It is not true. It's just
not he's supposed to do meetings. He's supposed to
nominate people. And he is the commander in chief, which does
not mean he gets to declare war does not mean he gets to do any
of that. He gets to have more meetings and he gets to give
some advice and take some advice. He does have a
responsibility towards Congress to suggest he is in fact the
President is supposed to by article to petition the
government on behalf of the people. That is one of the
President's most important job. He's supposed to listen to the
people and then go okay people I got you Papa, Papa Papa, and he
supposed to go to Congress and say, hey Congress, here's what
the people want. Instead, he's become this elaborate pitchman
to pitch, whatever the agenda is on the inside and this
particular President, I have to say, I feel very, very sorry.
Because I thought for the longest time, up until this
week, I thought he was really part of part of the evil empire.
And now I find out he's just an actor, really just an actor. And
he's afraid he's afraid for his job, he's afraid for his life.
Because he doesn't want to wind up like Martin Luther King, he's
not going to fight against this stuff. He's not going to fight
for anybody. He's going to shut up, read his lines, don't bump
into the furniture, don't make waves. Because he doesn't want
to die, the only thing he might do, and I'm only repeating what
we've heard on the show, this is not something I'm not I don't
want to be taken the wrong way. The only thing he might do is he
might punch out early to screw this. He's talked about it. He
said, Michelle would take 100 million that go. He says today
he says, Well, you know, I'll be gone sometime in the next three
and a half years might be sooner rather than later. Don't waste
your time impeaching this guy, your problem is much, much
bigger. Much bigger. You gotta get every single one of these
douchebags out of Congress and Senate just every single one of
them has got you gotta have a complete reboot. And we have no
stake in that that's gonna take decades and is
no way that anyone would do it. Because the way this rigged?
Yeah,
because only Congress can impeach people in Congress. I
think it's completely I looked this up
that they've gerrymandered their way into permanent jobs. John
Boehner, for example, is a known fact that you could he could be
a child molester and he would not get voted out of that spot
because they have they've gerrymandered his his area and
we're in it doesn't make any sense to two people where you
have the state these districts representative districts and you
have the district that has a it's like it's a little Gob up
here and as long thin line they may go down 100 miles and over
to the left was another Gob right yeah this person
represents this this this crazy district that we're doing this
in
Texas now to it's it's incredible the redistricting is
nuts.
Yeah, they read districts so Well, I'll tell you what, I'll
do a deal with a you can have this, this and this, and they'll
vote Democrat no matter what. And but you got to give me this,
this and this because this is all Republican territory. And
then I know I've got a job for life. That's what they've done.
I would recommend that in your just in your own little circle
of influence, your own little sphere of influence is where you
can make these changes and live a happy life AI for all the
crowd worry
about buying seeds.
Now this is not that's not going to help you and make you
happier, more storable food or water filled water filter. I'm
not again, I'm not against any of that, but I am the clouds
like this, this just this useless. You can
run some really crappy vodka through those water filters. And
it actually improves
really, I so I have not turned on the television. Since Ms.
Mickey left. I have not. And not even CNN or anything. I've only
been watching online. That was kind of my test. And I think
that it's been very successful. I don't think the show has
suffered whatsoever. And I feel fantastic. I feel really really
good. I've done I've been very productive and done a lot of fun
things. I'm a little disappointed. That is one thing
that's a real bummer. real bummer. You know, because I'm so
excited about ham radio. And you know, I'm I'm really I got some
ideas about Morse code and which has been around for 170 years
and it's still valid and relative today. And I find out
the FBI has put out a tender, tender where they are requesting
to purchase something they have to do this. You know, so RFP,
it's an RFP request for person. Yeah.
So what are they? So there's this document and it's the
required says the equipment that they want Icom 9500 Ah 810 AC VX
eight DDR with Mars mod FC 40 antenna Icom IC 9100 Kenwood, th
D 72. A Kenwood tm 710. Two meter 70 centimeter Icom IC R
two. I mean, it goes on and on. They are essentially building an
entire lab because they heard that I was like making Morse
code cool again. Hey, there's a good way that curry is all over
this. We got to stop that guy. We got to listen in on what he's
doing.
So One of the dads just before we go, I got one last thing
actually have a couple extra I can put this off, they'll put it
off till Thursday to answer your question.
Oh, are you doing a tweet today? Yes. Oh have polluted you
perfect. Yeah they're gonna it's all going to be about prison,
and you're gonna not be able to, you're not gonna be able to show
no, I'm
gonna tell them the same story, I've got to call them I got the
whole thing. I'm going to not change it much. And
you're not going to mention Adobe at all.
I couldn't do that you had the oldest stuff. I it's not in my
head. Okay. But all right, I do have I do have a little thing we
play in this show where you can play it now. Or you can play it,
never play it. But I decided I'd done this before. John Kerry
gave a long speech. It was like an hour. And so I started
skipping through it. And I realized that you can skip
through a John Kerry speech in Panama to miss anything. And you
realize that all he does is throw in cliche after the idea.
He's droning on a click, click, click, click, click, click and
it's just like, dumb, useless speaker this guy, you're useless
eaters as a useless speaker. He's terrible.
Well, so I play this.
Once you play for as long as you can stand it okay,
for for human rights. And let me point out this is John Kerry,
Secretary of State who signs his name, John F. Kerry. So you all
kind of get the inference that he's the new JFK. He's the
second coming of Camelot.
Community, as many of you might know. And even if it's just for
short while trying to act as possibility in a time of
promise, tremendously to each and every one of you. Oh, the
deep personal connection that I divers, and veterans tend to sit
at that ceremony. But 1886, almost 30 years ago, this at the
top of the mountain across the Dead Sea. We had a big debate.
Well, we just call them cliche carry from now on cliche,
cliche, it's good man.
It's like it when he speaks. He couldn't save in 1986. It has to
be in 1986, almost 30 years ago. And what is it? He takes it even
further by the Gregorian calendar? I mean, he can't just
get tell you what his point is. Yes, it just
yeah, in 1936, in the year of our Lord almost 30 years ago,
which is three decades
cliche anymore, you get the idea.
I would like to need to do two plugs here. Two plugs. One is
one of our relatively new listeners, James Prohaska, has
released a self published a book on Amazon. It's interesting
book, so it's kind of it's for the book club, Andrew Jackson
and the vampires, an alternative historical fiction screenplay.
And it's a screenplay. It's a script. It's printed like a
script that reads like a script. And it I say, it's pretty funny.
And it's kind of one of these things. It's just short book,
one of these things that you read and you go Ah, so that and
then completely. I wanted to do you remember Kevin the blade?
Kevin the blade? Yeah, Kevin the blade. He was the the Canadian
kid who listened to no agenda. And I was looking for someone to
help me edit the big app show when I was still doing that.
Remember how that's tied back? Back in the LA days. So Kevin,
the blade and he, he basically like, gave up and went back to
Canadia with his girlfriend and he's been tootling around, but
he has come up with a I've always used the intern
essentially, I paid him whatever I could, but he really worked
for basically for no money. And so I want to thank him by giving
him a plug for his new project, which I think is going to be a
massive hit. And he's doing and if it's a Kickstarter or an
Indiegogo or something anyway, it's called come giggle with me.
Come giggle with me.com. And it's a reality cooking show with
people who are stoned on marijuana.
Let's find you know, I've always wanted to do a talk show. Really
similar to this. It was, but it was different. It My idea is
this and I still think it's valid. The theme of the talk
show is legally drunk.
Okay, yeah, that sounds that sounds good. And you have to and
you have to have a breathalyzer right to make sure you're
legally breathalyzer and then the announcer comes over and
their big thing slams on the screen. legally drunk.
Okay, you're good to go. And then one then you get on the
talk show.
Then you go out. You're on the talk show. I'd be the host. I
would be sober. Yeah. And you just get people yakking drunk
because they'll say all kinds of crazy things. Great show
somebody I like it.
I like it well, so in this case, five stoners are pitted against
each other to see who can cook the best munchies and throw the
best party.
Oh, this is similar.
Yeah, not legally drunk is good. How about legally baked? I think
it's funny when people are stoned because when people are
drunk can also get aggressive and
but that's fine, too. That's good television.
It's great television. I would produce this with you. Yeah. And
here's your host of legally legally baked. Who would be your
first guest?
I think first you got to find people that are that like to
drink. I think that's
what I can do legally. Undo it. I can bake for your show to be a
guest.
Well, I baked to me implies marijuana or something like
yeah, no, I
don't want to do legally drunk. I don't like drunk.
I know. No, I'm not going to do a big show, too. It's too it's
too slow moving. You wouldn't have to be nobody would ever be
aggressive and they wouldn't start yelling or falling off
that shared. Opportunity. Yeah, you're
right. You're right. You're right. What am I thinking?
Fantastic. Oh, hold on. We actually have a little jingle
for that time to drink up. There you go. That would be your
opening. That would be the opening up. Okay, well, quite a
show. I would say. You have to. You have to get moving. And you
got to go on up there right. To the oops, sorry. Try that again.
Yeah, that was good. And I shall be putting the finishing touches
on cleaning up the house here. Or the the lady of the manor or
she returns leaving a mess. Yeah, right. That's, that's a
good that's some great advice there. John. You already
married?
The show off. Besides that, when usually when guys clean up the
house, and the woman comes home after some time. Wow, what did
you do? The house is a mess. You can't win.
That's true. That's true. You can't read? Absolutely. Thank
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