MuckTales Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak It's Sunday, January 19, 2025 This is
your award-winning GiveOnNation Media Assassination Episode 1731
This is no agenda Plowing through SCOTUS briefs
And broadcasting live from the heart of the
Texas Hill Country Here in FEMA Region No.
6 In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry
And from Northern Silicon Valley We're all discovering
somehow, somehow That things are cheap in China
I'm John C.
Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill In the morning
Yeah, things are very cheap in China Very,
very cheap in China Have you seen, noticed
the charm offensive?
Oh, I've seen, I have a lot to
see and to talk about But what charm
offensive are you talking about?
Of the Chinese?
Oh, things, so I got, I didn't get
any clips on this But it's become a
big deal As I've seen a number of
them, I just haven't collected them Of all
these, usually young TikTokers who They're not on
TikTok anymore So they went to this Red
Book thing Red Note, which is right out
of China Red Note Yeah, Red, whatever it
is, it's Chinese And they're going on and
on about Oh, you know, things are so
cheap in China And they're so, I'm thinking
that Oh brother, you know So I got
a note this morning From Catherine, our un
-reconstructed hippie woman That lives in Thailand Wait
a minute, un-reconstructed?
Yeah, I think she's still a hippie Oh,
okay Yeah, she's the one with the helipad,
isn't she?
I don't know if she's got a helipad
or not No, no, no, she's not the
helipad She's a Bitcoin billionaire Oh yeah, that's
the one, yeah And she has the apartment
If you know AgendaList, you can stay there
That's right, yeah, no, that's a different one
She goes on, she says, oh, I didn't
realize A friend of mine just came back
from Shanghai And everything's so modern there And
it's cheap So, when I first went to
China in the 90s Early 90s Yeah, it
was cheap then, too It's cheap in China,
hello And so, yeah, they have a maglev
train from the airport Why is it cheap
in China?
Why?
Well, because nobody gets paid a lot of
money, eh?
And?
And it's controlled by the Chinese There you
go And in China, everything's best priced Best
price So, it's not new that things are
cheap in China And they're very modern And
the key is I don't know when that
maglev train went We don't even have them
in this country No They have the maglev
train We can't even get a regular train
from LA to San Francisco No, of course
not They've got maglevs that do 300, 400
miles an hour Yeah Go live there, go
live there It's great, go live there Good
luck with the smog Before we get into
anything The topic of the day, amongst many
Has got to be this weather We begin
with this morning's top story Dangerously low, life
-threatening temperatures sweeping across the country Life-threatening
More than 100 million people from the plains
to the northeast Are under winter weather alerts
Hottest year on record Even the deep south
won't escape the deep freeze Several cities have
already declared weather emergencies As the back-to
-back winter storms Bring heavy winds and snow
25 degrees this morning in the hill country
Yeah, it's cold there I understand it's going
to snow I don't know There's no snow
predicted If it is, that'll be fun Yeah,
that's what I was thinking I've been to
Texas once when it was snowing Remember Nobody
knows what the hell's going on Remember I
got that generator for a reason To ensure
that I never need it ever Yeah, 25
degrees is a bit chilly there Yeah, and
wind Wind We got a wind We got
a wind I want to do China and
TikTok But I have a lot to do
So let's get a couple other things out
of the way I got a lot of
TikTok clips Mostly about the fact that Trump's
Not going to be inaugurated tomorrow Well, let's
start with the inauguration Itself and then we'll
get into that I learned quite a lot
by Listening to the entire Supreme Court discussion
Which I do As a public service I
might add Public service Where was it?
It's everywhere They stream the whole conversation Audio
only, no video That's why no one cares
I like that This was actually very informative
In a number of ways And so before
we get Into that, let's talk about the
big day tomorrow Big day, big day, big
day Trump day one Day one for the
new Trump administration What more are you learning
about his first moves And this immigration crackdown
Yeah, crackdown The president came to town with
a whole bunch Of executive orders ready to
be signed This will be a Very busy
first day for the president Certainly border security
Border security and deportations Are at the top
of his list He campaigned on those issues
Those will be among the executive orders he
signs And yes, his borders are Tom Homan
says that they are looking at Preparing to
do raids And deportations Almost immediately after Trump
Takes office They'll focus, it's important to say
He says they will focus immediately on those
Who are in the United States illegally And
have committed crimes He's gonna sign them in
the limo So that was ABC and that
was Jonathan Karl Yeah, yeah He hates Trump
This morning I saw J6 or Jenny At
church and she had her American flag jacket
American flag pants J6 Jenny?
Remember she hosted the meetup here in Fredericksburg
She has a I love that nickname J6
or Jenny, oh yeah She's fantastic And J6
or Jenny She's part of our club man
Yeah I'll bet And she's all excited, she's
I'm gonna be celebrating My Tomorrow if she
gets her Pardon She'll be celebrating pardon day
I sure hope he does it No he's
gonna do it But he promised he would
do it Remember the tiny desk He's got
the tiny desk right next to him If
the tiny desk shows up That'd be great
Ready to go on the tiny desk And
now things have changed And we'll get into
the immigration stuff a bit later on But
things have changed due to The hottest year
on record Good evening and we begin tonight
here with the breaking news Involving President-elect
Trump's inauguration The carefully orchestrated plans for the
inauguration Now shifting tonight To three days before
he takes the oath of office Dangerously cold
weather Forcing his ceremony indoors This is the
first time since Ronald Reagan in 1985 The
forecast calling for potentially The coldest inauguration day
in 40 years 23 degrees The wind chill
making it feel like 7 degrees For much
of the day Flags, seats and the staging
area of course Have been already set up
for Monday's ceremony Crews have been working around
the clock On this for months They are
now racing to prepare the capital rotunda For
what will be a much smaller event But
a warmer one So what does this mean
for the vast majority Of ticketed guests President
-elect Trump saying quote Tonight this will be
a very beautiful experience for all And especially
for the large TV audience It's going to
be beautiful It's going to be the best
ever Smallest crowd ever Smallest ever in history
Monday's forecast high for Washington Is 23 degrees
Tonight a rush to reimagine the day's festivities
While the massive outdoor platform Could seat more
than a thousand The rotunda will only be
able to hold Several hundred guests Tonight the
joint congressional inaugural committee Acknowledging the vast majority
of Ticketed guests will not be able to
attend The ceremonies in person Among those who
will be allowed in People with tickets for
the presidential platform And members of congress Another
major change There will no longer be an
inaugural parade Down Pennsylvania Avenue Instead after a
swearing in Trump will travel to the nearby
Capital One Arena To hold a celebration event
there This will be a very beautiful experience
For all promises the president-elect Everyone will
be safe Everyone will be happy It will
be very beautiful I love that he's of
course It's going to be a great television
production Perfect You can never really produce a
great television production on the steps there You
know what I mean It's chaos And you
gotta have that big shield up and everything
The bulletproof stuff And everyone's shivering And now
you can control the sounds Be much better
for Our country girl, what's her name Who's
singing the national anthem Yeah, Courtney Cox Yeah,
that one No, what's her name What's her
name now American Idol winner Yeah, what's her
name She's so famous that we can't remember
her name No, that's low-T, John That's
low-T It's just low-T Carrie Underwood,
there we go Thank you Trolls, Carrie Underwood
Of course we have some very important guests
Really, it's stunning Who we'll have President-elect
Trump revealed today that he spoke with China's
president Xi Jinping on the phone today Discussing
not just TikTok But also trade and fentanyl
and other topics CBS News Chief Foreign Affairs
Correspondent And Moderator of Face the Nation Margaret
Brennan is here And Margaret Donald Trump Invited
the communist leader To come to inauguration But
is he coming He's not, but Xi Jinping
is sending a special representative In his place,
his vice president Also a high-ranking Chinese
Communist Party official It's highly unusual, not just
because of protocol But also because of the
moment of time we are in Yeah, moment
of time It's highly unusual because it's never
been done No, no, no It's highly unusual
because China China Has been hacking us Just
today the Biden administration Revealed that they have
identified the hackers Who not just breached the
US treasury But burrowed into nine different US
telecom companies Burrowed, Xi Jinping Wang is one
of them Way too low is another guy
They burrowed in But burrowed into nine different
US telecom companies To siphon up American Burrowed
in Well wait, there's a reason she's saying
that But burrowed into nine different US telecom
companies To siphon up American Phone call data
So wait, so they burrowed in To siphon
up And we know that Trump's own national
security advisor Mike Walsh has said They planted
cyber time bombs In US infrastructure What is
a cyber time bomb It's ticking, it's ticking
It's TikTok ticking Cyber time bomb It's just
waiting to go off And to blow up
our phones It's the cyber time bomb Mike
Walsh has said they planted cyber time bombs
In US infrastructure This is the Chinese These
could be used in the event of future
conflict And the US can't get them out
We can't get them out We suck Wait
a minute What did she say What do
you mean you can't get them out They're
cyber time bombs, we can't get them out
Well there it is is right there.
We can't get it out.
Because we're no good.
You know, it's there.
You can get it out.
She's full of shit.
We don't because we don't know what wire
to cut the blue one or the yellow
one.
It's very, very scary.
China.
Yes, they've burrowed in.
They're siphoning it off and they planted cyber
time bombs.
But wait, there's more.
We got Nazis.
There's also some other foreign leaders that have
been invited attending that are raising eyebrows.
Right.
There are Nora.
In fact, a European diplomat said, are your
eyebrows raised at this minute?
My eyebrows are just going through the roof.
There's also some other foreign leaders that have
been invited attending that are raising eyebrows.
Right.
There are Nora.
In fact, a European diplomat said to me
just yesterday, it's pretty disconcerting that two leaders
of a German far right anti-immigrant group
known as the AFD are attending.
Their leaders espoused Nazi propaganda slogans.
They've been condemned by their own government, but
they will be attending the inauguration.
Robert Brennan, thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
Yes.
Talk about that AFD woman.
Yeah.
She's the one.
She's been on TV.
She's the liberal lesbian, the libertarian lesbian.
Libertarian conservative is what she calls herself.
She's this bull crap.
They keep calling him far right and all
the rest of it.
Yeah.
Just to besmirch them.
And it's just a propaganda trick.
And CBS is all in on it, I
guess.
Communist broadcasting system.
Hello.
Might as well start early.
Get in and get in on the ground.
So hopefully everything will go well tomorrow.
We want everyone to be safe.
Well, now we should discuss the rumors of
why they're moving it inside because of the
security threat.
Yes, because Alex Jones had a profit on.
And besides the profit, the profit.
He saw it was a it was an
attack, multiple cities.
It was thousands of ISIS fighters.
And by the way, this is the guy
who predicted that Trump would be shot in
the ear.
Yes, I know.
I followed this, so.
Well, the more the more the more credible
I think bull crap was the incredible bull
crap.
That's actually a good show title.
Credible bull crap.
Yes.
Credible bull crap is the fact that and
and this all occurs that people like to
tie this stuff together and goes like this.
Well, you know, since they took the the
they took the the blocking off the DJI
drone so they can now fly in a
restricted area, they're going to have a couple
of those big, you know, some of these
drones are the size of a Cadillac six
feet in diameter.
They're huge.
And they're going to drive a couple of
those babies into the podium.
They're not bulletproof glass or not.
They're going to take these two drones because
they can now go into these areas where
there's restricted fly risk flight restrictions.
And they're going to slam into the whole
process and just just by sheer brute force
and maybe a bomb, blow up the whole
whole inauguration ceremony.
So just move it inside.
Wow.
That was the best one.
I thought that was the most and that
was kind of believable.
Yeah.
Well, again, let's just hope everybody stays safe.
Everybody stay safe.
Stay safe, everybody.
Yeah, I like the Alex Jones guy.
I mean, it was it was so outrageous.
I didn't even clip it.
I'm like, I didn't clip it either.
I really did.
It's like, actually, I have a few more
here.
Because in attendance will also be many of
Trump's appointees.
And ABC went through some of those.
Should we play those?
I guess.
Sure.
OK, on Capitol Hill, President elect Trump's pick
to oversee America's economy.
Billionaire Scott Besson, pressed by senators about the
president elect's plan to boost the economy, cuts
tariffs and what the nominee said today about
sanctions on Russia amid the war with Ukraine.
Rachel Scott on the Hill tonight.
Hit it, Rachel.
Tonight, the man president elect Donald Trump has
chosen to guide the American economy and tackle
inflation, taking center stage on Capitol Hill.
Treasury Secretary nominee Scott Besson, a billionaire investor
and hedge fund manager.
Today, I believe that President Trump has a
generational opportunity to unleash a new economic golden
age that will create more jobs, wealth and
prosperity for all Americans.
Republican senators asking Besson to outline the stakes
of Congress fails to achieve one of Trump's
top priorities, extending his signature 2017 tax cuts.
If we do not renew and extend, then
we will be facing an economic calamity.
Democrats pushing back, insisting the Trump tax cuts
have only benefited the rich.
Now these wealthy people have more money than
they know what to do with.
And it is certainly not doing anything to
lower prices for working families.
I believe that President Trump, and if confirmed
myself, are committed to addressing this affordability crisis.
And part of the affordability crisis stems from
this great inflation that we've had.
No.
Well, and there's trouble ahead, according to old
lady Yeller.
There's US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned Friday
that the government will reach its debt limit
on Tuesday and will need to take extraordinary
measures to avoid risking a potentially catastrophic default.
The issue will, of course, now fall to
Yellen's expected successor, Trump Treasury pick Scott Besson,
who is still going through the Senate confirmation
process.
Besson said in his confirmation hearing Thursday that
if President-elect Trump wants to eliminate the
debt ceiling altogether, he will work with Congress
to make that happen.
Yeah, we got to print some money, baby.
I like the idea that we get a
Republican in, and the first thing he wants
to do is hell with the debt ceiling.
Let's just get rid of it.
It's practical, but at the same time, it's
like, okay, well, there goes the balanced budget.
Oh, no, no, no.
Wait, he has strategies.
Supposedly, the whole Bitcoin community is all sithering.
Supposedly, on the little tiny desk next to
the J6 or Jenny, pardon, will also be
a crypto bill that will send Bitcoin skyrocketing.
And that, of course, will save us because
of this.
This is basically the newest version of the
trillion-dollar coin.
Yes, exactly.
Because of the Bitcoin strategic reserve and the
stable coin, the stable coin on top.
Trump is a meta guy, you know.
I think he has a plan.
We'll see.
When the economy collapses, we'll know what didn't
work.
Also facing questions today, Trump's picks for two
key environmental roles, for Secretary of the Interior,
former North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum, and for
EPA Administrator, former New York Congressman Lee Zeldin.
Democrats pressing both nominees about Trump's pledge to
roll back environmental regulations.
Do you agree with President-elect Trump that
climate change is a hoax?
I believe that climate change is real, as
I told you, as far as President Trump
goes.
The context that I've heard him speak about
it was with a criticism of policies that
have been acted because of climate change.
And I think that he's concerned about the
economic costs of some policies where there's a
debate.
Republicans insist these nominees strike a balance between
protecting the environment and the economy.
Congressman Zeldin will correct the course of the
EPA.
Yes, he will.
You know, these guys, this is kind of
bothersome.
But at the same time, what are you
going to do?
It's like Zeldin is totally on board.
Zeldin has also been on Fox a lot.
So he's like another Fox guy that they're
putting in these positions.
And Zeldin is totally on board with the
hoax idea.
But he can't say it.
He can't say it.
And so we're still at the point where
you can't say what you think.
So this is not good.
Not yet.
Everyone's, they got to be careful because they're
still in the confirmation process.
We can't make everybody angry.
That's not how you're going to do it.
When we're confirmed, then we can go all
crazy.
And then, of course, we have our oligarchy
tonight or tomorrow, who will be at the
inauguration.
The oligarchy.
Turning to the inauguration just 24 hours after
President Biden warned of an oligarchy taking shape
in America.
What he called a tech industrial complex.
Tonight we have learned a growing list of
tech CEOs plan to attend President-elect Donald
Trump's inauguration on Monday.
That list includes Apple's Tim Cook, SpaceX and
Tesla's Elon Musk, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, Meta's Mark
Zuckerberg, Google's Sundar Pichai and TikTok CEO Shou
Chu.
All of them, David, will have prominent seats
for Donald Trump swearing in, David.
Now, OK, how about a prop bet?
A little prop bet?
Prop bet?
OK, what's the prop bet?
Will Jason Calacanis be at the inauguration?
Oh, just no chance.
Jay Cal, you got tickets?
He's the kind of guy that would actually
get in.
Sitting behind Elon.
He could find a way.
Yeah, but I think he really hates Trump,
honestly.
I don't think he likes Trump.
He's a little wishy-washy on it.
Well, he's reluctantly...
I did watch his podcast of late.
And they brought in that one guy, I
forgot his name already.
Oh, that guy, Cary Underwood.
Cary Underwood.
So you could just tell...
Calacanis is losing his hair in some very
peculiar way.
Well, that sucks.
I mean, let's not make fun of it.
No, I'm not making fun of him.
I'm just wondering.
I mean, that's not male pattern baldness.
It's like a sweep.
It's going from the front.
It's just going.
It's going to be totally bald.
It's a strange hairline.
I've never seen anything quite like it.
You know what that is?
Low T.
I would say the oddest bit of clippage
that came my way in the past few
days was the Bill Gates clip.
I'm surprised Bill Gates isn't going to be
up there with him.
Well, he doesn't need to because he had
a three-hour dinner with President Trump.
Well, a lot of people have had three
-hour dinners with Trump.
Yeah, but Bill Gates got really excited about
it.
Listen to this.
I saw this clip.
I didn't think he was that excited, but
okay.
A lot of people got excited.
All right, forget that.
Let's do something else because we have to
discuss the algo chasers for a moment.
This is the number one most emailed clip
I received.
I was happy to see that because there
were a lot of different versions of it
on the socials.
I was happy to see that the Valuetainment
crew picked it up and did exactly what
you'd expect them to do.
This is algo chaser heaven, everybody.
The current national security advisor.
Here's a video that he shared with me
before we got started, Jake Solomon.
And I think, Vinny, you asked me the
question before you played it, and I didn't
know where you were going with it.
It says, I want you to watch this
and tell me if there's something weird about
the delivery of what he says in this.
Folks, just watch it.
That's what you said to me, and I'm
like, what are you saying, Vinny?
In about 10 seconds into it, you're going
to say, why did you say that?
You didn't have to say that.
What's your point of saying that?
Are you insinuating something?
Are you suggesting something?
Just watch this here.
Go for it, Rob.
Go, Rob.
I just will say one last word, which
is, I hope this is my last time
at this podium, at least for a little
while.
I don't mean that in a negative sense.
I mean, the only thing that would bring
me back is an unexpected event in the
next few days, which, as you all know,
is totally possible, given what we've seen over
the course of the past years.
But if it is, in fact, my last
time before you, I just want to say
thank you for what you guys do every
day.
Thank you for putting up with me.
Why would the National Security Advisor- Which
is fully possible.
Say farewell, but go, hey, listen, you might
hear from me again if something happens.
And I would think, since you're the National
Security Advisor, you have the FBI, we have
all these apparatus, you should say nothing is
going to happen because we're secure.
He says, because it could quite possibly almost,
he's almost as if he's letting us know
something is going to happen and you are
going to hear from him.
Or I told you so, it's not my
fault.
We're all going to die.
You know, but let me help you boys
out there.
PBD, Valuetainment.
The guy has been talking for weeks about
one topic and one topic only, and that's
the Gaza peace deal.
That's what he's referring to.
Like the deal might fall apart, something might
happen, but it's not, as you, doops, because
that's what everyone emailed me.
Oh, oh, oh, he's signaling something's going to
happen.
I got the same thing.
I didn't get a clip.
I didn't take the clip because I thought
the whole thing was so dumb, but yeah,
I'm glad you did.
Well, this is what we, this is why
people come to the No Agenda show.
Like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that's
better.
It's nothing.
And even if something did happen, he wouldn't
be.
All these, all these podcasts.
Yeah.
And that's just one of many.
They're, they're, and I think Bannon's the worst,
to be honest about it.
It is entertaining, you have to admit.
Hey, as Q said.
That's, and it's free because you're paying, it's
value-taining, value-taining.
Remember, John, as Q says, nothing can stop
what's coming.
Trust the plan.
So it's like, okay, yeah.
All these guys, they all do this.
It's just all hair on fire.
It's terrible.
Algo chasers.
Yeah.
I think it's a good term.
But I don't think, see, the problem with
the term that, well, I don't use it,
is that you're actually assuming they're overtly doing
it.
No, no, that's just who they are.
That they can't help themselves.
But they have to do an emergency pod,
you see.
We're going live.
Value-tainment live.
I'm never going to get on this show,
by the way.
They're never ever going to invite me.
No, they might if you keep harping on
it.
Emergency pod.
Something's going to happen.
I mean, Alex Jones is the best now.
Emergency pod.
There's thousands of ISIS everywhere.
Madison Square Garden, Statue of Liberty.
It's happening.
It's going down.
Nothing can stop what's coming.
I mean, I used to be a bit
like that before there were even ALGOs to
chase.
But I've learned.
You were never that bad.
But after 17 years, it's like, no, no.
This is the problem.
This is why we have only four more
years.
Because it's just going to be Walter and
Stedler.
You know, you and me just going, blah,
blah, blah.
Did you say Walter and Stedler?
Yeah, what are their names?
What are their names?
Waldorf and Statler.
I think Walter and Stedler is much better.
Walter and Stedler.
We need t-shirts that say Walter.
Hello, No Agenda Shop.
Walter and Stedler is our new nicknames.
So last night, actually yesterday, I had a
lot of time.
Tina was at a conference in Dallas.
She's driving back today.
Hopefully she's listening.
Drive safe, baby.
And so I had a lot of time.
That's why I went through the whole Supreme
Court hearing.
I learned a lot.
It was very educational.
And I'm going to share some of that.
But I also thought to myself, I'm going
to get me that TikTok app.
Let's see what happens.
I need to see what happens when this
thing goes into effect on Monday.
So I got me the TikTok app, which
interestingly...
What do you mean the TikTok app?
It went into effect last night.
I know, I'm getting there.
I'm telling my story.
I'm ramping up.
You're talking about the phone app?
The phone app.
Yeah, of course, of course.
You don't have it?
No, I never had that.
Why would I want that?
Oh, interesting.
No, because they spy on you, John.
They're worse than any app ever.
So I'm like, okay.
So I loaded on my flip phone.
It actually loaded onto that phone?
The install took a while.
I tried to load it on my StarTAC
and it didn't load.
StarTAC.
Half the audience goes, what?
But the other half thinks we're hilarious.
Okay, well, that's the good news.
So it loads and I start...
Right away, it gives me Denzel Washington preaching.
I'm like, okay, follow, heart.
And then this thing just, oh yeah, it's
great.
So it immediately...
Wait a minute.
Immediately, it caught on to the fact that
you're like born again?
I guess so.
I mean, that was the first thing that
popped up.
I'm like, okay, follow heart.
That means there has to be something on
your phone that it accessed and said, well,
look at this.
It might have just been a lucky guess.
Texas, Hill Country.
Oh, Texas, Hill Country.
Gillespie County.
We got 35 churches here.
Yeah, no, I think it was a lucky
location guess.
Yeah, good work.
Yeah, and it's like, even if you're not
into the message, it's Denzel.
You're like, oh, it's Denzel.
Interesting.
And so now I'm getting black preachers left
and right, like doing this...
They figure you're black.
Totally.
Adam Curry.
Are you kidding me?
Curry?
Yeah.
Curry is a very, very black name.
And this is entertaining.
I'm loving it.
I'm listening to these preachers, man.
They're wild.
They're on fire, these black guys.
Oh, these guys are good.
And doing the fall, you know, like falling
backwards and guys are catching them.
And it's fantastic.
Then I get nothing else, except once in
a while I get, you know, someone showing
up with, surprise, a cheap product from China.
I just, you know, slipped by.
I checked out the shop.
And then in the evening...
I'm afraid there's a shop.
That's what I'm missing out on.
Well, we're going to...
Because I don't have the app.
We're going to get to that.
And it's right there at the top of
the menu, shop.
And so before I went to bed last
night, I'm like, let me just get me
some...
I'm going to get me some Jesus.
I'm going to go on the TikTok app.
Boom.
No go.
Taken down.
Oh, you were there when it went down.
Yeah.
And this was 10, 15.
So somewhere around that time.
It went out early.
And I'm like, wow.
And so now I'm like, oh, now I
got to go get my other screen.
You know, I got to get the Graphene
OS.
I got to look at YouTube and see
what everyone...
Because I knew that there would be lots
of sadness and crying and moaning.
I need to share a few of them.
By the way, most of these have F
-bombs in them just for your kids.
If you care.
Not safe for work.
Well, it's not safe.
If you care about it, it doesn't matter.
I got to keep it real.
I am crashing the fuck out right now.
I don't know what to do.
Oh my God.
I've already opened and closed the app.
Probably six times already just to keep getting
the same stupid warning message.
Oh my God.
This just feel...
This is so dystopian.
First of all, I feel pathetic that I
am freaking out like this over an application
being unavailable on my phone.
But also, this has been a massive part
of our life for the last six years.
And normally when something happens, I would get
on TikTok and start complaining.
And I can't even do that.
I feel disconnected.
I feel cut off from the world and
my community.
This is crazy.
This is fucking crazy.
God.
And I can't like...
Now I'm rooting for Trump?
Ew!
Make America fucking great again, I guess.
God.
So now I see where you get the
theme for today's show.
Ew!
What do you mean?
Low T.
Now, there was a lot of consistency in
these clips.
My community, and since the pandemic, this is
when everyone got hooked on this thing.
And my little business, my little business.
This was very consistent.
I'm so sad that TikTok might go away.
It changed my life.
My long home build is on here.
How I taught everyone to grow mushrooms.
How I showed everyone how to parasite cleanse.
Started my business.
It saved my life.
And I just really appreciate all of you
as my community when I didn't have one.
When I had nowhere to turn.
When I couldn't get any help from my
own doctors.
I literally turned to TikTok and my community.
I did not want to make this video
and I did not want to believe this
is happening.
But we're so close to January 19th that
if I don't make this video, I will
be very sad.
Thank you.
And, you know, it's obviously we're laughing because
of the severe narcissism that these people need
to share all of their lives and their
feelings and their problems.
But you cannot, you just can't deny that
they've gotten something, some redeeming quality out of
this app.
And many of them would realize, like, I
can't believe I'm crying over an app.
But I am because of my community and
you guys and my friends.
But they're also all of their customers.
And this is the last one I have.
This girl, young woman, is one of those
eyelash flappers.
Her eyelashes are bigger than Pam Bondage's at
the hearing.
And she's sad.
She wraps it all.
In fact, I even saw her on a
couple of M5M reports.
And to the U.S. government, I'm never
forgiving you for this.
And I'm never going to trust you ever
again because you just like that took away
millions of people's income and livelihood.
And who does that?
So I'm never trusting you ever again with
anything.
I'm so dumb coming on the Internet and
crying about an app.
But the fact is that this has been
a sense of community for me for years
now.
And it got me through really, really hard
times in my life.
The pandemic, losing my job, all of that,
getting divorced, like all of this crap that's
happened to me in the last five years
since I've been on here.
Hours and hours and hours of time I
put into creating stuff for this platform.
And I'm not the biggest creator on here.
I'm not like, I don't have 3 million
followers or 10 million followers.
But I do have a platform.
It's the biggest platform I have.
And I worked really, really hard to make
it.
On top of that, it's been a source
of income for me for going on three
years now.
First, it was just a little bit, but
then it got to be more.
I'm not like rich off of it, but
it has significantly helped my income every month.
And it's been consistent enough that like I've
been able to rely on it.
So like on top of being just sad
that I'm losing my creative outlet, my platform,
I'm like worried about like what I'm going
to do financially.
Okay, so and we can all laugh about
it.
But it's hard to laugh about it.
But at the same time, because it's so
pathetic that you have a situation where this
has evolved as a societal mechanism for people
to even make money and accept it as
such.
So you can't really, I don't think you
can laugh at it.
I want to hug her.
Well, she needs more than a hug.
She needs some cash.
Cash and a hug.
But it's just like, how did we get
here?
Oh, well, I think I can explain this.
And the first thing, I mean, I'll say
it up front.
I think the US Supreme, even though TikTok,
they came back online today.
They came back online this morning because the
guy from Singapore said, hey, you know, President
Trump has made us feel comfortable.
He's going to give us a 90-day
extension.
We're turning it back on because they literally
turned it off.
And I tried VPNs.
The app clearly is showing them that I
downloaded this from the US.
So even any other country I tried with
a VPN, it would say, no, no good.
I tried browsers.
I guess they threw a cookie on there.
I tried, I mean, I could not get
to it no matter what I tried.
That came back.
However, on the App Store, on the Google
Play Store, I don't have an iPhone.
It says, looking for TikTok?
Downloads for this app are paused due to
current US legal requirements.
And right above it was the featured app,
Instagram.
Just something to notice.
I personally feel the US, because that's a
good one.
I listened to, and I have clips of
it, but I want to play some other
things first.
But I want to say that the Supreme
Court has done a severe injustice to one
of the main economic outputs of our country,
which is the ability to create and use
media to sell crap that nobody actually needs.
We are good at this.
We're good at it in mainstream television.
We guilt you into thinking that you're not
going to be popular or have sex, or
you're going to die if you don't buy
these products.
This is what we do.
And so that's what has happened, is this
is a new version of a great American
tradition of being the sellers and the buyers
at the same time.
We are the market for China.
We're perfect for it.
And we sell it to each other.
Sometimes we get really good and we make
a song that everybody loves.
That's one of our exports.
See Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, whatever you
want.
But that is that's our culture.
This is what we do.
And they didn't even consider that.
And all of these, I mean, there's also
people who make something, you know, their own
little thing they make at home and they
sell it on Etsy.
This is the economy that is quite large.
I mean, it's billions.
It's probably 15 to 20 billion dollars of
GDP creation within the U.S. just from
TikTok alone.
You know, there's some people say it's about
a billion dollars a month.
And a lot of most of it is
just this stuff from China.
So I think they made a big mistake
because what they didn't realize is this was
all because our technology industry has been focused
on advertising instead of the obvious opportunities.
No one has the all in one solution.
Google has rigged search.
Amazon has, you know, horrible stores that that
that, you know, gouge you if you're trying
to sell something.
Meta and Facebook, they have the small business
ad market.
They don't know how to work together.
And this is the magic that TikTok grabbed.
And this community thing and everybody loving the
app is a byproduct of what it really
is.
And I was surprised.
Nay, stunned that on the media, I like
that.
On the.
Oh, he was.
Nay, stunned that on the media from NPR
had the actual truth of what TikTok is.
But of course, they didn't come up with
it themselves.
They had to bring in a blogger.
But I think the guy has it right.
Tech journalist Ryan Broderick has been tracking the
great TikToker migration and what it tells us
about the future of the Internet for his
newsletter Garbage Day.
Ryan, welcome on the media.
Thank you for having me.
Happy to be here.
You recently wrote Americans still don't realize what
TikTok is.
And when you say Americans, you mean users,
the people who use TikTok, but also politicians
and the Supreme Court justices.
You say American lawmakers think that TikTok is
a social platform.
I mean, I know from spending time on
TikTok that TikTok's users also think that it
is a social platform.
By the way, this Micah guy, what a
douche.
He's just just get to the guest and
stop pontificating.
Why is it not that?
There are social elements to it, of course.
But TikTok is the sister app of ByteDance's
other app, which is called Douyin, which can
only be used inside China.
And Douyin, like most Chinese social networks, are
primarily social shopping apps.
They make their money from live streams with
influencers hawking products, which you can then buy
directly through the app.
TikTok, when it launched outside of China, was
always a long play to bring social shopping
to the rest of the world.
And you can see this with the introduction
of TikTok Shop, which happened a few years
ago.
All of the ways that the app surfaces
content can be used for finding social content,
but they were built to sell you products.
You'll hear users say the algorithm feels different
than Instagram or YouTube or whatever.
And that's why.
It's because it's literally built for something very
different.
And we in the US have never really
acknowledged that or understood it or cared about
that.
We've kind of used it inadvertently for other
things.
But that's what TikTok is here for.
It's a long play of trying to make
Chinese style social shopping big in the West.
And this is what we've been saying.
We hadn't even really put it together to
give it the name social shopping, but we
knew that this is what was driving the
so-called influencers.
Everybody on TikTok who has a platform has
some kind of angle to sell you some
product, if only just, you know, like the
ham radio guy, you know, cheap crap.
It's perfect.
Just get us some cheap crap and we'll
hang out with you.
And it seems that the algorithm working the
exact opposite of US algorithms, which is get
him in, get him in, get him a
little mad, get him a little excited, show
him an ad.
OK, show him an ad.
No, it's much more advanced.
It's more it's more along the lines because,
in fact, we do have a note from
we probably should play it or you should
read it from our TikTok insider from ByteDance.
Um, there it's more along the lines of
something that was developed by Bill Ziff called
Special Interest Publishing.
Ah, very good point.
And so what and I talked to Bill
a lot about some of his theories because
he had he really brought it to a
he developed the overtly developed these theories.
And one of them was and I think
this applies to this TikTok analysis is that
in a computer magazine, for example, nothing in
the magazine should be outside the realm of
computing.
Bingo.
So so if General Motors came in and
says, we want to run a whole series
of ads for to sell Chevys, he would
refuse the advertising.
No, no.
And it was worked, by the way, the
sales guys to no end because they would
they would bring it.
Hey, look what we got.
We got, you know, a cigarette guy wants
to advertise.
He's got a million dollar contract here.
Nope.
No, it's got if it's got nothing to
do with computers, it had.
So in other words, the idea was in
any modern bride was a good example of
this.
Another perfect example.
Yes.
Is that every single ad, every single thing
was being about being a bride.
It was never took you out of that
area.
You were always in the mindset and that
created the buying impulse to buy from these
advertisers.
And that's maybe what's going on here.
I'm going to play the note.
It's G flat by dance alum here chiming
in because I thought you were on track
with the discussion.
They operate an AI recommendation system.
It's more basic type of machine learning algos,
but they've been training it for a decade
at least.
By the way, that is the kicker, right?
Yeah, that's right.
They've been training the AI algo for a
decade.
Good luck catching up.
So it's ingested every new source in the
world.
And now all these videos and data points.
When I worked on the American version of
their popular news app, 12 child in China,
top buzz in the U.S. We had
this complex back end system that would spit
out the news that would get the most
clicks.
Yes, a small U.S. Based content team
complimented by what went, but what by what
might have been hordes of overseas Asian workers
would roll through a selection of the content
to filter out low quality or illegal content,
thus training the algo.
It's just machine learning.
It's no super AI.
We would also get set breaking news items
to the top.
At the time, the TikTok team would decide
on trends to promote in app, and each
worker had a set of influencers they managed,
and these trends would be sent their way
to produce content and create trends.
As you can imagine, brands would get involved,
music industry would chime in, and they would
start to predictably manufacture some categories to follow.
I imagine they have such a broad data
set and a big head start, so they're
just a bit better at it for sure.
My guess on U.S. concerns at TikTok
is such a great data harvester that them
having the lead can be spun as the
threat as sophisticated data sets are said to
be the lifeblood of future autonomous warfare.
Well, yes, and we'll get to that, but
that is exactly what's happening.
And all the other stuff that, you know,
when I go in and they guess based
on my location, oh, okay, curry, black guy,
Texas, give him some Denzel.
Beautiful, beautiful.
And then, of course, with my scroll, and
that's why I purposely followed and liked, they
just give me all that.
I got nothing.
I didn't see any gay guys showing up.
I got nothing but black guys preaching their
butts off.
So it's a byproduct.
It's a byproduct of what the algo was
actually intent for, which is this social shopping.
And when you say social shopping, you're kind
of referring to what is more common in
China and other countries where everything apps, where
you could communicate and buy your groceries and
et cetera, et cetera.
That's not something Americans are that exposed to
currently.
Honestly, imagine if TikTok was owned by Amazon.
That's kind of what all of these apps
are making a play for.
You have what look like social networks that
have e-commerce inside of them, but then
you also have e-commerce apps that have
social content inside of them.
And to try to keep up, Amazon has
even tried to add more social features.
There's like a short form video feed inside
of Amazon now.
So that's the way that a lot of
these Chinese apps have been evolving, which is
towards you're looking at social content in between
buying things.
That's the idea.
And in my estimation, this is why TikTok
got in all this hot water, because the
tech companies with their very powerful lobby all
got together and maybe even some mainstream media
corporations said, these guys have figured it out.
We've been slow.
No one has the whole thing all put
together.
Nobody has it.
And funny enough, I remember back in 2006,
2007, Mevio did a pitch to Amazon and
said, we should have our podcasters just selling
your product like the original American invention, which
to this day still works, QVC, home shopping.
It is so outrageous that our Silicon Valley
companies miss this.
I mean, it's a gigantic gaping hole.
They should have seen it.
Yes.
That the network TVs, people have seen it
because they have moved home shopping network onto
their morning shows.
Every morning show has a whole segment at
the end that basically is a home shopping
network thing, only it's a little quicker and
faster paced.
And I don't think that the Silicon Valley
people, I think you're giving them a bit
too much credit because I don't think they,
I don't think they, what they've seen is
the loss of interest in their products and
the furtherance of interest in TikTok and these
other sorts of things.
And that's what's freaking them out.
Just the superficial nature of it.
I don't think that they've gone deep enough
to understand any of what you just said.
Really?
Gosh, that, well, that's even more astounding if
that's true.
Um, and of course it is true that.
I mean, that's why they had to bring
a blogger out who happens to just be
analyzing.
You don't hear anybody from Google saying, say,
well, the way we see it.
No, they, they're clueless.
And we, and we know from my sister's
research that TikTok was overtaking search on Google
because people are looking for stuff to buy.
That's what people are looking for.
And other things, where to go, where to
eat.
You know, it was, it was eating up
a lot of business.
Turns out though, when it comes to social
shopping, the USA is not even that important
to bite dance and TikTok.
I think that's an interesting distinction.
I'm not sure I understand what bearing it
has on the legal arguments for and against
banning TikTok, nor do I see its relevance
to the meaningfulness to its user base.
A lot of the conversation around the ban
in the U.S., particularly from lawmakers, but
also in the media, is this idea that
like TikTok will have to cave and they'll
have to sell in the U.S. because
the U.S. audience is so valuable.
And the point that I was trying to
make is that it's not.
Because we are just one step towards a
global e-commerce network.
Now, are we massive and are we very
influential?
Absolutely.
But the idea that our goofy videos are
so valuable to TikTok that they would sell
to me feels laughable.
Yeah, I think this guy, he figured it
out.
He figured out a long time ago.
Final clip from on the media.
Again, the political groupings and the communities that
people belong to is all just a byproduct
of their outstanding shopping algorithm.
The way that Mike Gallagher, the lawmaker who
sponsored the, what we call the TikTok ban.
By the way, who got a lot of
donations from Google.
He puts it is, you know, China is
engaged in a smokeless battlefield of the internet.
And that TikTok represents a form of soft
power over Americans.
I think that ByteDance via TikTok is probably
doing some version of what Meta with Facebook
has done to the rest of the world.
Like I do think that at this point
we can say that there are radicalizing effects
of social networks or social like networks that
have political consequences.
Do I believe that it is as simple
as we want this political outcome.
So we're going to show people that content
and that political outcome happens.
I mean, the research doesn't back that up.
I do think the way that people experience
content online and the algorithms that push it
towards us do create political effects.
Because TikTok is so interested in hyper targeting
your interests, no two feeds are alike, right?
Like your TikTok feed and my TikTok feed
never two shall meet.
And a lot of the impact of that
has been on building small, weird subcultures or
fandoms or communities.
But you also have a lot of marginalized
communities saying that on TikTok they feel very
comfortable where if they go to Instagram per
se, they feel like very antagonized or attacked
or whatever.
And that does have an effect on political
speech.
As we saw at the end of 2023,
when Israel invades Palestine and the youth of
America on TikTok are, you know, talking about
it in this way that people are saying
is, you know, anti-Semitic or whatever it
is.
If you look into it, it's teenagers reacting
to the conflict in a way that didn't
feel moderated by mainstream media or whatever.
You know, they felt like they could just
sort of have these conversations amongst themselves.
All byproducts.
Fantastic.
But it worked.
The whole campaign set up by Silicon Valley
and I have got to believe that, you
know, Disney, ABC, Comcast, I'm sure all of
them were in it.
We've got to get rid of these guys
for the reasons you mentioned.
We got to get them out.
It's going too well.
They're eating our lunch.
And it works perfectly when you go to
the mainstream and you listen to, here he
is, Jimmy Kimmel roll out the dangers, the
dangers of TikTok.
By the way, he had some funny lines
in here.
When I say TikTok is an app for
teenagers.
He does.
They're right.
It is not an app for teenagers, just
like crop tops or great shirts for old
fat guys.
TikTok is for everyone.
The problem with TikTok is it's totally controlled
by the Chinese government.
I heard a good explanation of why there's
a problem because I wasn't sure why exactly
it was a problem.
Why the Chinese?
The reason why the Chinese having our kids
personal information is a threat is because kids
aren't kids forever.
They grow up and get jobs.
And when they do, the Chinese government will
have all the passwords they use.
If they'll have everything they posted their financial
information, a lot of cases, messages, you name
it, they will have it, which isn't so
much of a problem if they grow up
to work at like Petco.
But some teenagers grow up and become nuclear
physicists or they join the military or the
State Department.
Every single person in the army in the
State Department used to be a teenager.
I don't know if you knew that.
And in the future, the Chinese government will
have tons of their data to blackmail them
with.
And that's why it's a national security threat
when your nephew films himself eating corn on
the cob off of Makita drill bit.
So that's the message.
The message is they'll have stuff to blackmail
you with later.
We played that clip, not that clip, but
we played a clip that claimed this sort
of bull crap.
I think two or three shows ago when
this all began, which I had and I
had the clip.
It was pulled from one of the PBS
or NPR shows.
And it was nonsense that when we played
it, it was so stupid.
I don't even think we talked about it
much.
And now it's coming to the fore.
This is bull crap.
Well, wait until you hear some of the
arguments made at the Supreme Court.
And so I did a deep dive on
the SCOTUS TikTok hearing.
And unlike Notebook LM, you'll actually learn something
on this deep dive.
I've got to say up front, there were
multiple lawyers, one on behalf of TikTok USA
and two actually on behalf of creators, or
as I like to call them, the creations
of TikTok.
And I think they did their clients a
huge disservice by making this a First Amendment
case because the reason why the Supreme Court
voted nine to zero was for national security.
And but a lot of the national security
stuff comes up as they are talking about
it being First Amendment.
And the First Amendment angle that that their
lawyer took was, well, the algorithm is our
free speech.
What we decide to feature or to demote
or promote, that is the free speech of
the corporation TikTok America.
Now, of course, the problem is that the
algorithm is owned by ByteDance.
And so they're they're taking the information is
running through the algo and then they present
it here in the U.S. What I
thought was super interesting, because I would have
skipped this normally, is the definition of this
algorithm that came up.
And I don't know if this can be
used in in cases later in law about
a particular as it pertains to social media
platforms and Section 203.
Here's Amy Coney Barrett with the TikTok lawyer.
Mr. Francisco, can I ask you a question
about the relevant speech here?
So it strikes me that this is a
little different than your Bezos example, because there
it's clearly content discrimination because we're talking about
the ability to post particular articles versus other
articles.
Am I right that the algorithm is the
speech here?
Yes, Your Honor.
Well, I would say it's the algorithm is
a lot of things.
The algorithm has built within it.
It's it's basically how we predict what our
customers want to see.
The editorial discretion.
Yeah, the editorial discretion.
It also has built within it the moderation
elements.
All of this kind of comes together when
the source code is translated into executable code
in the United States.
In the United States, that executable code is
then subject to vetting, review, moderation through content
moderation algorithms.
So it ultimately lands on the TikTok platform.
But what we're what we're talking about as
as a net choice is the editorial discretion
that underlies the algorithm.
So when you say editorial discretion, that's a
hot button on Section 203.
This is why I kept this clip in
my lineup.
That means that you are a publication.
If you're editorializing, then Section 203 no longer
applies.
So I wonder if a constitutional lawyer, Rob,
will be able to tell us.
I wonder if just because it didn't show
up in the report in the 27 pages,
which also went through.
But if can you use that later?
Say, well, you know, they decided when they
were talking that it was editorial.
Something to to just keep in the back
of our mind.
Well, I have two thoughts on this.
OK, first of all, I thought that the
reason they went with the free speech idea
was they were making the assumption that because
it was a conservative court, they would just
be all over free speech.
It was a cheap trick.
Didn't work.
Good point.
The second thing is when she's brought up
the algorithm, it was the algorithm was the
algorithm that was algorithms free speech.
He said, no, free speech is free speech.
But people say it's free speech, got nothing
to do with the algorithm.
The algorithm should have been thrown out of
the argument by this guy.
Instead, he buys into and he goes on
and on about it, trying to describe it.
This was a huge blunder.
That's what I said.
I think he did his client a huge.
Well, I don't think he was.
The problem is this is non-technical people.
Oh, wait, wait until the clips coming up.
You'll see how unsophisticated our Supreme Court is.
They could have gotten anybody to coach them
at least a little bit on this.
It was embarrassing.
Well, they did the lawyers that come out
in front of the Supreme Court are supposed
to be the knowledgeable ones that that can
do the coaching on the fly instead of
falling in the line like this guy.
No, it was no good.
And but the reason why he took the
free speech angle is because there's a carve
out.
There's an exception in this law, which he
kept trying to bring up, and he would
get cut off by other justices.
I think because they either they I don't
think that they were in on the on
the gag here, but he kept bringing up
Timu.
He says, you know, Timu, they collect data,
but they get a carve out.
And it's in this clip.
What we are seeking to do is use
an algorithm that displays the combination of content
that we prefer our users to see on
the planet.
And the government doesn't care about that.
I mean, the government the government is fine
with you doing that.
You can invent it yourself.
It doesn't even care what content that displays
cat videos or whatever.
A lot of cat video examples.
Lady is dogs.
But I think that the way that the
analysis has to unfold is first you ask,
is this law burdening our speech?
I think we agree that the law is
burdening our speech.
Then you have to look at whether the
law itself is somehow content based, not just
what their motivations are, but whether the law
is content based.
And here the trigger for this law, the
one thing that gets it going is if
you operate a social media platform that has
user generated content, unless that content takes the
form of a product, travel or business review.
Then within that universe of content, it says
there's one speaker we're particularly concerned about, and
we're going to hammer home on that one
speaker.
And then just to make the rubble bounce,
they come in and tell us that one
of the reasons they're targeting that speaker is
because they're worried about the future content on
that platform, that it could in the future
somehow be critical of the United States or
undermine democracy to pull examples from the government's
brief.
So I think there's no way to get
around the fact that this is a content
based speech restriction.
And you do have to go directly to
what their interests are.
I think that strengthens your argument that they
went with this because they thought conservative court.
I think you're absolutely right.
But he talked about the carve out there
and now he's going to try and use
that.
What would your argument be?
It would be an equal protection argument.
No, no, I still be saying this is
the one I want.
Even if you could get just to the
data security question again, you'd have to ask
the question, would this law have been passed
by Congress for data security reasons?
Because you're being asked to uphold a law
based on that single governmental interest.
And when you look through the provisions, like
the content recommendation algorithm provision, like the covered
company provisions, the answer is no.
And if you're still in doubt on that,
just go back to the under-inclusiveness problem.
Would a Congress really worried about these very
dramatic risks, leave out an e-commerce site
like Temu that has 70 million Americans using
it and every bit the connection?
Does Congress have to go all or nothing
on that?
I mean, it doesn't have to go all
or nothing.
They isolate a particular problem.
They might be getting to what you're talking
about next.
Who knows?
But you're really sitting up there and saying
Congress would not pass the divestiture law if
data security were the only interest.
So I'm saying it would not have passed
this divestiture law if data security were the
only interest.
It's very curious why you just single out
TikTok alone and not other companies with tens
of millions of people having their own data
taken in the process of engaging with those
websites and equally, if not more, available to
Chinese control.
And he has a very good point that
there was a carve out for companies like
Temu that have Chinese control, Chinese algorithms, but
they recommend product travel or service.
And therefore, this law does not apply to
them.
Now, we're going to get into tracking and
some embarrassing moments.
I just want to say up front, anybody
who has ever developed and submitted an app
to any of the app stores I have
knows how much scrutiny there is, particularly on
user data.
In fact, Facebook had to turn off certain
tracking in their app in 2022 on Apple's
platform, iOS, which they said cost them about
$10 billion annually in revenue.
I mean, it's equal unless Apple and Google
are in on it with TikTok.
I don't know that.
And they let them do other things.
Everybody has the same data.
Everybody can access it as long as you
get your user to hit.
OK, the minute the EULA comes up, they
can look at other apps.
They can look at your health data.
All of this stuff is available as long
as the user says, OK.
And of course, we all know everyone says,
OK.
So now we're going to talk about that.
Sotomayor, Justice Sotomayor is very unsophisticated.
In fact, she doesn't even know the difference
between a website and an app.
How many of these sites have all of
the data collection mechanisms that TikTok has?
From what I understand from the briefs, not
only is it getting your information, it's asking
and most people give it permission to access
your contact list, whether that contact list has
permitted them to or not.
So they can now have data about all
of your contacts and anything you say about
them.
How many other sites gather information by.
This is so embarrassing.
Sites and the lawyer is even going to
use the term website like just, all right,
I'll stick with a website, whatever you want,
lady.
Keystrokes.
Back it up.
The keystrokes.
This is also important.
And anything you say about them, how many
other sites gather information by keystrokes to be
able to do voice and finger ID information?
If there's a whole lot of data stuff
that was discussed in the brief that I
don't think any other website gathers.
So wouldn't this be a unique site?
If I viewed the evidence that way, how
would this be under inclusive?
Justice Sotomayor, I don't think a lot of
the suppositions you're making actually bear out.
And as Justice Gorsuch was pointing out, one
of the, obviously the real challenges in this
case is it comes to you without an
ordinary trial record compiled and all the rest.
So we have only limited amounts of information,
but absolutely these other websites are taking much
the same kind of information, if not more.
And as to the contact list thing, I
think you also, that points out one other
aspect of this.
That is a voluntary decision by an American
user to share that information.
You know, in the Riley case.
But not informed.
If you don't think it's informed, that could
be solved by a warrant or exposure.
Well, no, it can't be, because for the
United States, the threat of using that information
is what is at issue.
It's not whether the user thinks it's okay.
It's whether the U.S. believes that it
could put sites at issue.
Now, unfortunately, the documentation of what TikTok slash
ByteDance collects was sealed, meaning that it could
not be made public.
It's trade secrets.
The justices were pointed towards this, and it
sounded to me like they hadn't read it.
We certainly can't.
I was hoping there would be something in
the documentation.
There is a little bit, which I have
marked up.
The platform collects extensive personal information from and
about its users.
Data collection practices extend to age, phone number,
precise location, internet address, device use, phone contacts,
social network connections, content of private messages sent
to the application, and videos watched.
TikTok user data, user content, behavioral, including keystroke
patterns and rhythms.
This is all the stuff that every single
app can track with Firebase, Amplitude, UX Cam,
Mixpanel.
They even have session replays so you can
see exactly what a user did.
This is nothing new.
Then the guy throws in a kicker, the
lawyer, I like this, which made me go,
yeah, how about that?
Something else that I think you might notice
is even if all this act goes into
effect and the law goes through, TikTok gets
to keep all the data.
So wouldn't a data security law require them
to expunge that data or get rid of
it or something?
I mean, it's a very weird law if
you're just looking at through a data security
lens, and maybe Congress could do better.
Mr. Fisher.
Yes, good point.
Good point.
You've driven me over the boredom cliff.
Oh, I'm sorry, but you're going to have
to listen to it because it gets really
good now.
Okay.
Please stay with me because when Justice Alito
compares an algorithm to an old shirt, I
mean, that's got to be worth something.
I think you should have led with that,
but okay.
This may not make any difference for constitutional
purposes, but just out of curiosity, I'd like
you to explain what the practical consequences would
likely be for your clients if TikTok went
dark, as Mr. Francisco put it.
There, I assume, is a great demand for
what TikTok provides, and if TikTok was no
longer there to provide what your clients really
want, is there a reason to doubt that
some other social media company would not jump
in and take advantage of this very lucrative
market?
There are two reasons, Justice Alito.
One is many of the declarations from my
clients actually explain they've tried on other platforms
to generate the kind of audience and engagement
they've been able to on TikTok, and they've
fallen dramatically.
I know they haven't so far, and I'm
just wondering whether this is like somebody's attachment
to an old article of clothing.
I mean, I really love this old shirt
because I've been wearing this old shirt, but
I could go out and buy something exactly
like that.
But no, I like the old shirt.
Is that what we have here, or is
there some reason to think that only ByteDance
has this device, this magical algorithm that all
of the geniuses at Meta and all of
these other social media companies, they couldn't.
No matter, they put their minds to it,
they couldn't.
When he said Meta, I'm like, okay, he
doesn't know.
He really has no clue.
No clue.
The Solicitor General on behalf of the United
States who was there to defend decision by
Congress, she was the worst.
I think she may be a Zoomer, but
she's definitely millennial.
I mean, can you just, if you were
to defend this, what would the example be
that you give that China could do with
all of our important personal information?
What could China possibly do that would be
so horrible for us?
The only example they've come up with, and
you played it already, and I played it
before, is that you can blackmail somebody in
the future.
But this is, again, the example I used
before previously was that it's like having pictures
of your kid crying or doing some little
thing when they were three or four years
old and then showing it at their high
school graduation as a joke to humiliate them,
which is what parents love to do.
And that's as far as it gets, which
is, this is their argument.
It's like, hey, you know, we got some
information.
We're going to, you're going to join the
CIA.
We got some information showing you walked around
naked when you were three.
It got nothing.
It's a bogus argument.
Didn't even come up.
It's much stupider.
General Prelogger.
Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the
court, the Chinese government's control of TikTok poses
a grave threat to national security.
Grave threat.
No one disputes that the PRC seeks to
undermine U.S. interests by amassing vast quantities
of sensitive data about Americans and by engaging
in covert influence operations.
This was the term.
Covert influence.
What did she say?
Covert influence operations.
Covert content manipulation.
And no one disputes that the PRC pursues
those goals by compelling companies like Bankdance to
secretly turn over data and carry out PRC
directives.
Those realities mean that the Chinese government could
weaponize TikTok at any time to harm the
United States.
OK, here comes the weaponization.
Stand back, everybody.
TikTok collects unprecedented amounts of personal data.
And as Justice Sotomayor noted, it's not just
about the 170 million American users, but also
about their non-user contacts who might not
even be engaging with the platform.
That data would be incredibly valuable to the
PRC.
OK.
For years, the Chinese government has sought to
build detailed profiles about Americans, where we live
and work, who our friends and coworkers are,
what our interests are, and what our vices
are.
TikTok's immense data set would give the PRC
a powerful tool for harassment, recruitment, and espionage.
On top of that, the Chinese government's control
over TikTok gives it a potent weapon for
covert influence operations.
And my friends are wrong to suggest that
Congress was seeking to suppress specific types of
content or specific types of viewpoints.
Instead, the national security harm arises from the
very fact of a foreign adversary's capacity to
secretly manipulate the platform to advance its geopolitical
goals in whatever form that kind of covert
operation might take.
The act addresses the threat of foreign adversary
control with laser-like focus.
It requires only divestiture of TikTok to prevent
Chinese government control.
And that divestiture remedy follows a long tradition
of barring foreign control.
All right.
I'm going to keep it short for you.
So what she says— She's projecting, by the
way.
What do you mean?
What she's describing is what we do.
Well, exactly.
I mean, you don't want China doing this.
Do you want your own American companies being
able to do this?
Well, of course.
That's exactly what the Twitter files were about.
OK, we're going to bring Thomas and Kagan
into it.
Is there any difference between content manipulation by
a non-U.S. company as opposed to
a U.S. company?
Your question?
Exactly.
I didn't hear Mr. Fisher make a distinction
between the two.
Yes.
And I think the important thing to recognize
is that the act here is targeting covert
content manipulation by a foreign adversary nation.
Now, I understand my friends to say— What
difference does that make?
The difference is that there is no protected
First Amendment right for a foreign adversary to
exploit its control over its speech platform.
The difference between covert and non-covert.
So I think that Congress's concern with the
covert operation was that a foreign adversary could
effectively weaponize this platform behind the scenes in
order to achieve any number of geopolitical goals.
Here are some of the examples that come
to mind.
OK, get ready.
One of the pages out of the playbook
here is for a foreign adversary to simply
try to get Americans arguing with one another
to create chaos and distraction in order to
weaken the United States as a general matter
and distract from any activities that the foreign
adversary might want to conduct on the world
stage.
What do you mean by covert, though?
I mean— I mean, isn't this amazing?
That's her example?
We can get Americans to argue with each
other?
Really?
That's what it's come down to?
Is covert just mean it's hard to figure
out how the algorithm works?
Because we could say that about every algorithm.
No, the covert nature of it comes from
the fact that it's not apparent that the
PRC is the one behind the scenes pulling
the strings here and deciding exactly what content
is going to be made to appear on
the site.
And another way that— It's just because we
don't know that China's behind it?
That's what covert means?
It doesn't have anything to do with the
difficulty of figuring out what the algorithm is
doing?
It's just because people don't know that China
is pulling the strings?
That's what covert means?
What it means is that Americans are on
this platform thinking that they are speaking to
one another, and this recommendation engine that is
apparently so valuable is organically directing their speech
to each other.
And what is covert is that the PRC,
a foreign adversary nation, is instead exploiting a
vulnerability in the system to suppress and silence—
Well, if that's what it means that people
don't know that China's behind it, everybody now
knows that China is behind it.
Anyway, then all those justices doubled down.
They were making jokes about the fact that
everybody knows it's Chinese.
The whole thing was completely idiotic and stupid
and highly underinformed.
Highly underinformed.
So we need to get TikTok back, and
we need to get people selling crap again.
This is what we do.
Sorry I bored you.
Is that it?
Well, I'll stop here.
Yeah.
You were going to have more?
Well, I'd had only one more, but it's
enough.
It's enough.
It was just more joking about covert China
and her saying that, oh, Americans will start
arguing.
And then I think it was Kagan.
Gorsuch says, well, if that's what they wanted,
they've already won.
We did it with our own companies.
So the whole thing was just idiotic.
And clearly Silicon Valley, mainstream money to get
rid of TikTok.
And I think Trump will use this to
a great advantage.
He'll lord this over Silicon Valley, over his
tech bros.
He'll lord it over everybody.
Let me see what I can do with
this.
He can keep it going for at least
three months.
Maybe I should let those guys come back.
Maybe we should do this.
I think it's great political currency for Trump.
With China as well.
Hey, why don't you open source that algo?
Let our guys in on it.
We'll lower the tariffs to 10%.
Okay.
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Do a count on the chat room.
I have the banning TikTok news.
This would have been my contribution.
2,655.
2,600?
And 55.
That's a hundred over.
Yeah.
So they were riveted by this presentation.
That's good.
Of course they were.
This would be my...
Of course they were.
Bickering at the Supreme Court Department.
Okay.
You know what?
I think we learned a lot more than
you got anywhere else.
We didn't learn anything anywhere else.
In fact, this is the extent of it.
This is the banning TikTok news clip.
This would be what you hear anywhere else.
The popular social media app TikTok says it
will go dark for its 170 million US
users tomorrow, but it may only be for
a day.
President-elect Trump said he will most likely
give the app a 90-day reprieve from
a law banning it once he takes office
on Monday.
That came in a phone interview with NBC
News.
Despite that, TikTok says it wants further assurances
from the Biden administration since it will be
in charge tomorrow when the ban is to
take effect.
Well, that ban lasted less than 12 hours.
Or that self-imposed ban lasted less than
12 hours.
It was a publicity stunt.
Of course it was.
So since you're playing this sort of clips,
I have something to compete with it.
I have three clips, only those.
Oh, all right.
Don't take that long.
All right.
A couple of minutes.
All right.
But NPR downloaded the comms of the fire
department.
Oh.
During the event.
And it turns out, and if you listen
to it carefully, the timeline that we were
presented with isn't quite accurate.
NPR's investigations team downloaded more than 2,000
hours of communications between first responders.
And that audio shows how crews trying to
control the fires ran into a huge problem
with the water supply.
Here's more on that from NPR's Kiara Eisner.
Just eight hours after the first responders saw
that brush fire, a firefighter sent out an
urgent message on the radio.
If you can get a hold of any
sort of public works or DWP, our folks
are starting to report that they're running out
of water in the hydrant systems.
The dispatcher jumped in to say people were
trying to fix the problem.
Got that.
It's being worked on.
Six minutes later, a firefighter suggested sending a
truck that transports water, called a tender, to
the scene.
With us losing our water up here, is
there any way we can get a bunch
of water tenders through the city and we
can keg them up at least in a
safe area up in the Palisades and we
can set up a portable hydrant system so
our folks can have a shorter turnaround time?
But reaching the fire was not easy.
As fire trucks and tenders tried to rush
there, they had to fight through crazy traffic.
You've got gridlock on Palisades Drive.
People are driving down both sides.
And the fire itself kept moving.
With the wind that we're experiencing up here
and I'm looking across Canyon, that's where it
looks like it's headed.
Nearby, a super scooper was providing support from
the air.
That's a plane that scoops up water from
lakes or other reservoirs to dump on fires.
L.A. County, Quebec 2, flight of 2,
super scoopers just leaving the fire scene at
this time.
We're showing Van Nuys in about three minutes.
NPR journalists transcribed and analyzed communications from 13
audio feeds streaming L.A. City and county
first responder channels.
The feeds were downloaded from broadcastify.com, a
live audio streaming platform.
Oh boy.
Someone's going to get in trouble for this
one.
I'm going to have to...
So you listen to these clips.
I've got two more.
And the timeline that we were, I was
led to believe, and I'm going to skip,
not going to skip these clips, but I'm
going to jump to an analysis that was
done by NPR itself earlier in one of
the other shows.
And play this so we can get a
little background.
This clip is called NPR coverage about water.
This is our coverup.
This is a coverup story.
If you listen to this and then we
get back to the downloaded clips.
NPR spoke to half a dozen water and
fire experts who say no municipal water systems
are designed for fires this big.
They say the issue was not a lack
of water, but hurricane force winds that meant
aircraft couldn't fly and drop water on the
blazes.
A popular false narrative claims billionaire Stuart and
Linda Resnick hoarded water on their California farms
that could have been used to fight fires.
Stephanie Pincel, professor at UCLA, says while the
Resnicks use a lot of water.
Their groundwater is distinct and not germane to
the problem.
We did not run out of water.
Julia Simon, NPR News.
We did not run out of water.
This is bullcrap.
And if you listen to that first clip,
they were using the, they were dumping waters
from airplanes initially.
It was later after they'd long since run
out of water that they grounded the airplanes.
Wow, man.
Yep.
Does NPR make this conclusion?
No, of course not.
Because this stupid coverup story that you just
played was their argument that, oh, no, everything
is fine.
Heaven forbid that we, there's self contradictory here.
They play these downloaded clips and then the
next thing you know, they're trying to cover
it up.
But listen to this, here's part two of
the comms.
By Tuesday evening, the communications show conditions were
getting increasingly dangerous.
And by 2 a.m. the next morning,
first responders were organizing rescues.
Yeah, we've done an ALS transport of a
chest pain, possible CO poisoning of a firefighter.
To where we're getting a report of a
patient needs to be evac'd on a ventilator
and they've lost power.
But a few minutes later, the radio communications
again turned to the water problem.
We've lost most of the hydro pressure in
Zulu.
By the time the firefighter issued that update
from a section of the Palisades fire, other
parts of LA had already started burning.
We are now on scene of a structure
fire on Altadena.
The Eaton fire near Altadena had started Tuesday
evening at the base of the Angeles National
Forest.
That's about an hour's drive northeast of Palisades.
Just after midnight in the early morning on
Wednesday, the water appeared to be running out
there too.
Truck 82, we have multiple fire alarms and
tree fires, bush fires.
Copy that LA, we do not have water.
And by 6 a.m. firefighters near the
Altadena neighborhood were mentioning problems with hydrants.
We're having some water supply issues.
Some of the hydrants are going dry.
The communications indicate this came as a surprise
to the first responders.
Were you having any issues like that before?
No negative.
I haven't heard of anyone having issues with
the hydrants.
Let me check and see if they can
boost the pumps or it could be the
tanks are getting low.
And just past midday on Wednesday, a firefighter
made a dire announcement.
Hey, I see operations just further.
We're up at Lake in Altadena and all
the hydrants up here are dead.
We're working on trying to find water for
them.
Yeah, lies.
It's unbelievable.
And so this is the last clip.
California Governor Gavin Newsom ordered an investigation last
week into how the fire hydrants lost pressure
and how they stopped providing water.
City officials say the system was never designed
for large wildfires like Palisades or Eden.
It was designed for house fires or urban
fires.
But in a letter the governor wrote to
the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power,
one of the utilities in charge, Newsom demanded
answers.
On the radio channel, a first responder also
thought about reaching out to the water company.
Just checking to see if we have a
representative for the water department so we can
maybe work on water supply issues.
But in the meantime, there was only one
thing they could do.
Pick your best targets of opportunity the best
you can.
We're having real problems with water.
No water at all.
So do your best.
Reva Duncan is a former fire chief with
the U.S. Forest Service.
She says that sort of response is often
the only option.
When they run out of water and they're
in that kind of situation, then they have
to kind of do triage.
Do we have to move even farther over
where we can be effective and efficient with
our water and at least try to stop
some kind of progress of the fire?
Firefighters are trained to keep their cool when
communicating on the scene and over the radio.
But Duncan says it's still devastating to run
out of resources.
It's hard for us to watch people's homes
burn down and then lose everything, especially when
it's the situation where there's so little that
firefighters can do at that time.
More than 40,000 acres have burned in
LA so far across the different fire regions.
That's an area three times the size of
Manhattan.
They like doing that Manhattan comparison.
Three times the size of Manhattan.
That's a classic.
I'm sure you received this.
If not, it's in the show notes.
The Design for Disaster documentary, 1962.
No, I did not receive this.
Oh, it's the story of the Bel Air
and Brentwood water fire.
Yeah, it's a big deal.
Yeah, it's really good.
And that was the catalyst for, you know,
brush clearing, et cetera, which I think just
wasn't happening anymore.
It's a good doc.
It's about half an hour.
This is the same as this typical, like
the financial thing.
I describe it all the time.
You put all these rules in place to
keep something from happening.
The rules keep it from happening.
And then after a few years, people say,
this isn't happening.
What do we need all these rules for?
Exactly.
It's just a natural phenomenon.
So they stopped doing all the work they
should have been doing.
They left that 117 million gallon reservoir dead
empty.
Yeah.
Which was the Palisades Reservoir, dead empty.
And then they ran out of water right
away.
Right away.
Whoops.
It's just like, it's unbelievable.
What a fiasco.
What a botch.
Of course, we don't really have to worry
because we're Americans and we do what Americans
do in these situations.
Here's my 18 second NPR clip.
Music stars will hold a benefit concert for
LA fire victims.
The event's called Fire Aid.
It will be staged on January 30th in
two venues.
Some of the performers will include Lady Gaga,
Jelly Roll, Billie Eilish and the Red Hot
Chili Peppers.
I'm Corva Coleman, NPR News.
Nothing like some Red Hot Chili Peppers at
your Fire Aid, huh?
Yeah, perfect.
Fire Aid.
Last night, Saturday Night Live, had Dave Chappelle.
I haven't seen it all, but what I
saw was really good.
Did a very funny sketch about a family
in Los Angeles.
And he also said this 50 seconds in
his monologue.
And then we watch the news or talk
to my friends.
They all have these conspiracy theories of what
started these fires.
Now they say it's arsonists.
I've heard this theory and I'm sure there
were some arsonists, but there were a lot
of elements that came together to make this
fire the catastrophe that was.
The winds were 100 miles an hour.
LA was dry as a bone in the
levees.
And there was just too many factors.
If you were a rational thinking person, you
have to at least consider the possibility that
God hates these people.
That's not true because West Hollywood was unscathed.
Because how can you burn what is already
flaming?
I hope they bring him on to Fire
Aid.
Have him crack some jokes.
They won't.
No, of course they won't.
He probably didn't even clear it with Lauren.
All the stuff he did.
People are already selling.
TMZ had one of those celebrity realtors on.
Josh Altman.
Have you ever seen Josh Altman?
No.
You know these shows though, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, they do all the high end stuff.
And so they cornered him.
This is hard to say.
I strongly believe that 50% of the
people who lived in the Palisades are not
going to be moving back to the Palisades.
Why?
Yeah.
And honestly, that number wasn't as big last
week in my mind.
But after the phone calls that I've been
getting, people who are moving to Brentwood, Santa
Monica, Bel Air, Beverly Hills, those are going
to be the markets that are going to
go up because people want to be as
close to normalcy as possible.
And those are those towns right around the
Palisades.
Those are going to go up that market.
That's where they're going to move.
It's going to be too long.
You got to realize the Palisades is the
all American town, right?
The families are running around.
It's like what you picture towns in movies
that we used to watch.
These kids that are five years old right
now that live in the Palisades and go
to school, there's a chance that if things
don't move fast, it could be four to
five years before they're back there.
These kids are now 10.
They're going to different schools, different lives now,
you know?
So it's tough because picture you living on
a street.
You're the first house finished.
And every other house on the street is
in construction.
Think about that.
You don't want to do that.
You want to wake up every single morning
and be reminded of that.
Right.
It's traumatic.
I'm negotiating almost a dozen deals right now
on land in the Palisades much faster than
I ever thought I would be doing.
People are already trying to sell their dirt,
knowing that they're not going to go back
there to home builders that will then build
their house and either keep it or sell
it.
Yeah, they're selling their dirt.
Yeah, the problem with that report was very
un-California-like.
What was the price of the dirt?
I don't know.
I'm sure it wasn't cheap.
I'm sure it was very expensive.
I'm sure it wasn't cheap either.
But what was it?
I don't know.
We have no idea.
Was it a lot selling for a half
a mil, a mil?
I think a million dollar lots.
We don't know anything.
No, because it's a shitty report.
Oh, jeez.
Sorry.
That's not a report.
They cornered the guy.
No, it's DMZ's fault.
They're all from California.
They know better.
And California is different than the rest of
the country.
We talk about our real estate prices constantly.
What'd you pay?
Oh, I paid this.
I paid, you know, and the other person
said, none of your business.
Not in California.
Oh, really?
Y'all talk about that all the time?
Yeah.
What'd you pay for that lot?
Oh, I got it for a song.
I got it for 80.
The market was like 100.
Oh, good deal.
You made a good deal.
No, maybe he was trying to protect his
clients.
No, I think he's, well, maybe their lots
are going cheap.
Well, that was kind of the insinuation.
The people are selling their dirt is getting
rid of it.
You know, I don't think much insurance will
cover what it will actually cost to rebuild.
No, they're going to have to.
This is going to be a lot.
This is all from scratch.
Yeah.
So time to build a new LA super
city.
LA 2.0. 10 minute palisades.
15.
We'll give them 15.
Of course, in electrified California, the EVs were
a real problem with firefighting.
Here's CNN.
Scattered amongst the ruins of California's devastating wildfires
sit countless Teslas and other electric vehicles, most
left behind by owners forced to flee from
the fast moving flames.
The chart EVs are a grim reminder of
a new frontier facing firefighters and residents when
battling wildfires and the daunting environmental challenges in
cleaning up some of the remains.
It's a little different world now today with
batteries, not just car batteries, but battery packs,
people with solar, those Tesla wall batteries and
the like.
So the hazmat side of this is made
a little bit more complicated.
Just last month, the EPA approved the state's
ambitious.
Hold on a second.
So that was Newsome.
Yeah.
Gravely voiced Newsome.
Yeah.
Who's promoting that you have to go 100
% EV by 2030.
Yep.
You can't sell a gas car anymore.
And he's making that comment.
Yeah.
What a douche.
The hazmat side of this is made a
little bit more complicated.
Just last month, the EPA approved the state's
ambitious plan to end the sale of new
gas operated vehicles by 2035.
35.
We get an extra five years.
California has seen a surge in electric vehicles
over the last decade.
There were more than 3,000 EVs per
100,000 residents in California in 2023, the
highest per capita of any state in the
US, according to the Department of Energy.
Let's talk to the firefighters about it.
20, 30 years ago, when these things were
not present in these fires, you didn't have
to think about that.
San Diego Fire Battalion Chief Robert Rosendi is
a member of the EPA's Lithium-Ion Battery
Task Force.
He says the surge in batteries in homes
and in EVs creates a new layer of
complexity in firefighting.
As the batteries start to burn, they actually
release flammable gases like hydrogen and carbon monoxide,
and then they also release their own oxygen.
And so smothering the fire doesn't really work
in these situations.
Putting a bunch of water on them doesn't
really work in these situations.
Rosendi says a normal gas-powered car fire
can be managed in 5 to 15 minutes,
but putting out an EV fire could take
2 to 12 hours.
So the battery just kind of has to
run its course, and its chemistry needs to
be consumed before it'll stop being on fire.
If there is a vehicle that's burned out
right now in one of these wildfire zones
in LA that was an EV, is it
possible that if the battery is intact, it
could still reignite?
Yes.
Because of reignitions, he says it could take
a swimming pool's worth of water to fully
extinguish an EV battery fire.
Oh, and how about that battery power storage
plant in California?
Was that near San Jose?
Oh, it's in Los Poynes off on the
coast.
It's actually a power plant, and they have
a big bunch of batteries there to save
wind power.
Yeah, to save it, to store the electricity.
Yeah, and it blew up.
Is it still on fire?
I would think so.
They want to put one of those in
Kerrville, or it's actually closer.
It's a bad idea.
It's a very bad idea.
Except I was thinking about it while listening
to that last clip.
Why can't somebody, because it takes, what, 12
hours to put the fire out?
A swimming pool won't do it.
I mean, it just keeps burning until the
batteries are gone.
There's got to be some chemical way of
stopping these fires.
The only thing I've seen is they have
this big fireproof oxygen-tight tarp they throw
over the car, and then it kind of
burns out underneath that.
Yeah, but it's still burning.
There's got to be some solution to this
issue.
Yeah, here's the solution.
Combustion engines.
I know your solution.
Combustion engines.
Have the explosions under the hood, not in
your garage.
Yeah, you're right about Newsom.
It's horrible.
Oh, yeah.
He'd just like to hear himself talk.
I love the climate change angle.
It's finally starting to kick in.
And we have, I think, a definite new
Reverend Al clip when it comes to the
L.A. fires and climate change.
He's in rare form today.
Firefighters have been making progress in containing the
raging palisades and Eden fires.
The devastation now ranks among the worst in
California history.
Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that
2024 was the hottest year on record, 1
.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, bringing
the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge
made by Glosal leaders under the 2015 Paris
Climate Agreement.
Glosal.
Glosal leaders.
There's more.
Los Angeles County has declared a public health
emergency due to the air quality.
Officials warn the biggest threats are smoke and
particular matters, which they say may cause long
term health effects.
Particular matters.
Wow.
He's got a new producer.
A set of particulates.
Yeah.
Particular matters.
Rev Al is the best.
And how much does he make?
This is where he usually remind us of
that.
I think at 1.2 mil.
At least.
CBS this morning jumped right in with Jane
Pauley, although I cut Jane Pauley out of
these two clips.
They found someone to make all the connections.
The monster that roared through L.A. County
last week is still alive.
But firefighters seem to have it cornered.
People have started returning to their homes or
what's left of them.
And insurance, if they had it, is a
whole other battle.
And the focus now is turning from what
happened to why it happened and what in
the world is next.
This disaster is as bad as just about
anybody here can remember.
But is it really just the new normal?
Nature is telling us, I can't take this
anymore.
Oh, no, I cannot support.
You can't take it anymore.
Listen carefully.
There's nature telling it, telling us it can't
take it anymore.
But is it really just the new normal?
Nature is telling us, I can't take this
anymore.
I cannot support you if you keep treating
me this way.
John Valiant is the author of Fire Weather
on the front lines of a burning world.
And he says climate change is making disasters
like the wind driven L.A. fires fiercer.
This is not an anomaly.
This is the future.
We can expect fires of this intensity and
worse in the future.
The types of fires we've seen over the
past 10 years are qualitatively different from the
previous hundred years.
The types of fires are different.
Yeah.
How has fire changed?
In a number of ways.
The most potent and frightening way, the most
obvious to the lay person, you know, people
like us, is it moves faster and with
greater intensity.
And you talk to any firefighter with any
sense of history and they are seeing different
behavior that is, in many cases, unfightable.
I guess he hasn't seen the documentary about
the 1961 Bel Air Brentwood fire.
Went pretty fast then, pal.
But this is what they do.
Bring it right around to climate change because,
you know, Trump's coming in.
We got to we got to press this
issue.
We got to make people think about this
stuff because nowhere is safe.
And Valiant says the cause is something science
has been telling us for decades.
The CO2 that our combustion engines keep pumping
into the atmosphere.
We don't feel it.
We don't smell it.
We don't notice it.
But if you were to take the car
engine that brought me here and set it
up on the floor here and fired it
up, we would go deaf and then we
would die from its emissions.
And I love that.
We go deaf and then we would die
and set it up on the floor here
and fired it up.
We would go deaf and then we would
die, die from its emissions.
And that's under the hood of every internal
combustion engine car.
And there are hundreds of millions of them.
So the emissions from fire, these trillions of
fires that we make.
This guy, he's the guy who wrote the
book about fire because of climate change.
He's on CBS.
They did the whole, they did a 10
minute package on him.
10 minutes to tell us we're going to
die.
So the emissions from fire, these trillions of
fires that we make every day has created
this artificially warm climate.
And so he says we get more intense
fire.
Hold on a second.
What's the temperature there in Austin here right
now?
I'm not in Austin, but we are in
the Austin area.
Well, right now we're probably around just around
freezing.
You're around freezing.
Yes, we're freezing.
It's around 32 or so.
Yeah, it's freezing.
Yes, we're, we're, we're cold.
So that's the horrible heat that you're dealing
with.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Yes.
How about you?
Uh, it's 50.
Oh, that's cold for you.
The way I take it back.
I'm looking at the thing around this on
screen here.
Uh, it's actually 49.
Oh no.
Oh, put on the sweater.
I got one on, believe me.
It's from fire.
These trillions of fires that we make every
day has created this artificially warm climate.
And so he says we get more intense
fires, stronger hurricanes, and hotter heat waves.
We're going to lose everything.
And we're not joking.
Climate scientist.
What was that?
It was a nat pop.
They just threw in a nat pop.
This is great.
Heat waves.
We're going to lose everything.
And we're not joking.
Climate scientist.
Peter Calmus has been sounding much the same
alarm for years.
So do you feel like you're sitting on
all this science and you're trying to share
it with the world?
Another show title.
Sitting on science is dynamite.
Sitting on science.
Do you feel like you're sitting on all
this science and you're trying to share it
with the world and no one's listening?
That's exactly how I feel, yes.
We met him in 2022 near his home
in Altadena, California, just as he was about
to move his family to North Carolina.
Was part of that move because you were
worried about wildfires?
Yeah, so for a few years, I wanted
to move to someplace a little bit less
fiery.
But I want to make it clear, I
don't think there's any place safe from climate
change.
And believe me, he went right into Helene
and he's in North Carolina and, you know,
so we're all going to die.
There's no place, no place where it's not
safe anywhere from climate change, anywhere, ever.
Not going to happen.
Might as well get used to it.
The new normal.
Yeah, I think you're right.
This is a Trump thing.
No, totally.
Because we don't need the hoax idea floating
around.
No, no.
The hoax.
Preemptive strike is what this would be called
from CBS, from CBS, the communist broadcast.
CBS the worst, the communist broadcasting system.
You remember that report?
Oh, not that report.
All the reports from the Surgeon General about
alcohol and cancer two weeks ago.
Two weeks ago, I've heard a couple of
reports this last couple of days.
And what did we think that might be
on the way?
Mocktails.
Mocktails?
If only.
No, no.
Wouldn't you know it?
To the Index of Other News, a new
report by the American Cancer Society tonight finding
certain cancers on the rise among women and
younger adults, including breast, thyroid and colorectal cancers.
For the first time, cancer diagnoses in women
ages 50 to 64 have now surpassed men.
There's your report.
And so it begins.
They've all been drinking too much.
That's going to be the reason.
Of course, our thesis is the vaccine cover
up.
Yes, yes.
I got a note from one of our
boots on the ground nurses, actually in Southern
California.
She says that our hospital, there's been a
lot of talks amongst doctors of what they
feel about using GLP-1 drugs for alcohol.
Some are very intrigued and walk around saying,
hey, just Google GLP-1 drugs and alcohol
addiction.
The solution is right there.
Problem, reaction, solution.
There's a lot of these things are compound
nowadays.
It's like it solves a lot of problems.
Yes, it does.
I know.
It's that they haven't gotten to the one
you're pushing and which is coming.
I'm pretty sure you might be right about
it.
What, the alcohol with the?
No, no, the GLP-1s and erectile dysfunction.
Come on, it's got to be on the
next stop on the train.
Is it in the book?
It should be in the book.
It should really.
You made it go in the book and
somebody's out there.
There's a virtual book that's floating around.
I got a couple of Biden clips I
want to get out of the way.
Yeah, sure.
Biden and the 28th amendment.
Oh yeah, this has been interesting.
This is the NPR stuff.
Yeah, I got two clips.
Three days before President Biden leaves office, he
made a surprise announcement about a proposed constitutional
amendment that has been debated for decades.
Today, I affirm the Equal Rights Amendment to
have cleared all the necessary hurdles to be
added to the U.S. Constitution now.
The Equal Rights Amendment that says, quote, equality
of rights under the law shall not be
denied or abridged by the United States or
by any state on account of sex.
But the official who certifies constitutional amendments, the
archivist of the United States, does not think
the proposal has been properly ratified.
NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurzleben joins us.
Danielle, thanks so much for being with us.
Of course.
Good morning, Scott.
What exactly did the president announce?
Well, he announced basically what we just heard
there.
He said that in his mind, this amendment
is already the law of the land.
Now, of course, it's not in the Constitution.
And were it to get there, legal scholars
say the ERA could affect a wide range
of areas like pregnancy discrimination, pay equity and
reproductive rights.
But before the ERA can become an amendment,
it has to be certified by the archivist,
a woman named Colleen Shogan.
The White House told reporters Friday that Biden
wasn't directing her to certify the ERA.
Rather, they said that Shogan is simply required
to certify the amendment.
And the archivist has said that's not happening.
This story is very confusing to me.
And obviously, I'm interested in a constitutional amendment,
but this has been batting around since the
70s?
It expired.
Oh.
It never passed.
And it had a deadline built into the
act to make it a constitutional amendment.
And it never made it, never made the
deadline.
It never got passed.
It was just bullcrap.
So J.D. Vance had the best one
-liner.
He had it on Twitter.
He says, hey, Joe, while you're making these
proclamations, make Pete Rose a member of the
Baseball Hall of Fame.
Which is about the same thing.
But just let me understand, because what I
heard, and that's, of course, the reporting is,
excuse me, that Virginia said, oh, don't we
ratify it?
And now it's ratified and it should be
the amendment.
Is that what the story is?
This is Biden's interpretation of reality.
This is all bullcrap.
To make this amendment part of the Constitution,
the process has to be started over.
It's expired.
But Biden just decided to do this like
a maniac.
Well, we don't think Biden actually is doing
anything.
Someone else is acting like a maniac.
I didn't clip it.
Did you see the Speaker of the House?
Before you go with that, let's play the
second half of this, and then we'll talk.
If the archivist is that explicit, where's the
confusion?
Well, we have to go back to when
the ERA passed Congress in 1972 to explain
this.
After that, it went to the states for
ratification.
38 states have to sign off on an
amendment.
And importantly, the ERA had a deadline attached
to it for ratification.
That deadline was eventually set for 1982.
But by then, it was still three states
short.
Now, despite that, state legislatures continued ratifying it
over the years.
And in 2020, Virginia became the 38th state,
and the ERA reached that benchmark, and the
debate was reignited.
But why is there debate?
Well, it's all about that initial deadline.
That was put on the ERA.
Now, one side, which includes the American Bar
Association, they argue that the deadline does not
matter.
One argument they make is that the Constitution
just doesn't say anything about amendments having deadlines.
But interestingly, DOJ officials under both Trump and
Biden are on the other side of this.
During the Trump administration, the DOJ issued an
opinion saying the deadline did matter, and that
it was up to courts or Congress to
move the ERA along.
And in 2022, the Biden DOJ agreed that
this is up to the courts and Congress.
And this is where the archivist comes in.
In 2022, and again last month, her office,
Colleen Shogan, said that they are following what
the DOJ said in those instances.
Hmm.
Interesting.
They can start it over.
They want to pass this thing, start it
over.
Everyone's all in on it.
Does this go back to the bra burning?
Yeah.
Wow, it's that old, huh?
I think it was initiated in the 70s.
And this is really about discrimination based on
sex.
Right.
I guess there's tons of laws already that
don't disallow that.
We had a series of clips that are
in the archives by Phyllis Schlafly.
She was the number one complainer about this
thing.
Phyllis Schlafly was a right wing woman who
was very famous for it.
And she was interesting in these series of
clips that we put on the show.
I think we played some of them.
She was sharp.
And no one could really, it's one of
those people trying to debate.
Like if you went up and decided to
debate Ben Shapiro, for example.
Oh, I would be screwed.
You'd be dead.
Yeah, screwed.
Well, she wasn't a fast talker, but she
was hard to beat in these debates.
Her commentary was based on, look, women have
it better right now because we're like a
protected class without this amendment.
She says, you put the amendment in and
now we're gonna have to go to war.
We're gonna have to be drafted.
She just moaned and groaned about how this
amendment was a bad idea because it was
- They got a good deal going on.
They had a good deal going the way
she saw it.
And she had a strong argument and she's
the one, she is the reason this never
passed.
Now they could restart it because she's not
around anymore and there's nobody making her arguments
and everyone's gung ho for this and that.
So it's possible they could get it to
be passed.
But she had strong arguments and she was
powerful.
Well, the first thing the Republicans would do
would be exactly that.
It's like, okay, you're being drafted now.
Yeah, that's what you do.
Take the worst case scenario and you make
it worse.
I'm glad you clipped the Mike Johnson stuff
because I thought about it and I guess
I forgot about it.
Can we play those?
Yes, Mike Johnson.
This is a clip that has a lot
of people bent out of shape and I
wanna defend him.
Do I only have two clips?
He had a meeting with Biden and Biden
apparently showed him that he wasn't really running
the country and everyone condemned Mike Johnson after
these clips appeared because he was like, why
didn't you say something?
Why didn't you go?
And the problem that you have with that
is that if you're the Speaker of the
House meeting with the President, that's a private
conversation.
No matter, you can't, and he says why
he can talk about it now because the
Wall Street Journal brought it out.
They published it, yeah.
You can't go in and discuss this sort
of thing just in general.
So he, I give him a break on
this.
In some ways, I actually kind of feel
sorry for Joe Biden.
I mean, he's in the twilight years of
his life.
He is not, obviously has not been in
charge for some time.
And I know this by personal observation and
now the whole world knows it.
And it's been very, very concerning to me
over the last year and a half since
I've had this position.
Can you tell us a story when you
say personal observation?
What kind of thing did you see?
This is, it's public now because the Wall
Street Journal got it and put it on
the front page.
But January, a year ago, almost exactly a
year ago, I had been asked, I became
speaker in October, 2023 and there were all
sorts of big national security concerns and everything
going on.
And I started requesting a meeting with the
president because, you know, I'm kind of old
school.
I'm a constitutional law guy.
The speaker of the house should be able
to talk to the president, especially in times
of great national interest and calamity, but they
wouldn't let me meet with him.
And his staff kept putting, giving him excuses.
This went on for like eight or nine
weeks.
I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, he doesn't have time.
What are you talking about?
I'm second line of the presidency.
He has time.
I need to talk to him.
We had, I can't say the classified parts,
but we had some big, big national concerns
at the time that I was losing sleep
over.
Finally, I just went to the Hill Press
Corps and I said, the president is not
being allowed to meet with the speaker.
There's a problem.
So they started putting pressure on him.
Long story short, they finally relented.
They invited me to the White House.
I show up and I realized it's actually
an ambush because it's not just me and
the president.
It's also Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem, you
know, the whole, the CIA director, everybody.
And then so I walked in the Oval
and, oh, I know what this is.
This is a, they're going to hotbox the
speaker on Ukraine funding.
That's what it was.
This is probably third week of January.
Hey, Mike, what's that in your mouth?
The CIA director.
Hey, Mike, do a little pull aside with
Mike here for a second.
I think I remember him saying that he
couldn't get a meeting with the president.
That I think he did say in public.
Yeah, well, he could do that, but he
couldn't discuss the meeting itself.
But now he does.
And here's what the outcome was.
We sit down.
We're in the midst of it and the
whole conversation.
And I'm going, we don't need to have
this conversation.
The president reaches over just like this.
We're sitting in the, right next to the
fireplace in the Oval and he grabs my
arm and he says, the speaker and I
just need a couple of minutes together.
Would y'all just leave us alone?
And I looked up on the faces of
some of the staff standing around the wall.
And they're like, no, he did it.
So they, he called it.
He's the commander in chief.
So everybody leaves and he and I are
standing awkwardly in the middle of the Oval
office, right over the rug by that coffee
table.
And I said, Mr. President, thanks for the
moments.
You know, this is very important.
I got some big national security things.
I need to talk to you about that.
I've heard and I think, you know, and
what do we do?
And, but first real quickly, Mr. President, can
I ask you a question?
I cannot answer this from my constituents in
Louisiana.
Sir, why did you pause LNG exports to
Europe?
Like I don't understand, you know, liquefied natural
gas is in great demand by our allies.
Why would you do that?
Because you understand we just talked about Ukraine.
You understand you're fueling Vladimir Putin's war machine
because they got to get their gas from
him.
You know, and he looks at me stunned
with this.
And he said, I didn't, I didn't do
that.
And I said, Mr. President, you, yes, you
did.
It was an executive order, like, you know,
three weeks ago.
And he goes, I didn't do that.
And he's arguing with me.
I said, Mr. President, respectfully, can I, could
I go out here and ask your secretary
to print it out?
We'll read it together.
You definitely did that.
And he goes, oh, you talk about natural
gas.
Yes, sir.
He said, no, no, you misunderstand.
He said, what I did is I signed
this thing to, we're going to, we're going
to conduct a study on the effects of
LNG.
I said, no, you're not, sir.
You paused it.
I know I have the terminal, the export
terminals in my state.
I talked to those people this morning.
You're, this is doing massive damage to our
economy, national security.
It occurred to me, Barry, he was not
lying to me.
He genuinely did not know what he had
signed.
And I walked out of that meeting with
fear and loathing because I thought we're in
serious trouble.
Who is running the country?
Like, I don't know who put the paper
in front of him, but he didn't know.
So we know who was running the country
because they were in the room.
That's who, that's who has been running the
country.
And I would say the CIA director being
there probably has the goods on everybody, might
be, might've been calling the shots.
We also had the Donald and brothers or
the Blackrock folk.
But the question that comes to mind, and
it's never discussed and Barry doesn't discuss it.
That's for sure.
And it wasn't discussed on this interview.
Who does he think is running the country?
A, and then, but the other thing is,
what was the point of pausing the LNG
exports?
What, I mean, who, why, why was that,
what, why was that decision made?
Was it so somebody could play some stocks
or where somebody can make a quick buck?
Or, I mean, what exactly, what was the
rationale for doing that?
For that, for that pause, that pause in
time, who benefited from it?
And can somebody trace that?
I mean, you should be able to follow
the money on that one.
That should be easy enough to figure out.
Maybe somebody, Biden was just a dupe to
sign it.
Maybe somebody had a tanker of oil out
there on the ocean.
It was very suspicious.
It was, it was odd.
It was odd.
It was like our number, our number one
gangbusters move, the LNG.
It was perfect for us.
Well, speaking of our allies, and this will
be the last that I have before we
take a break.
I'm very excited because Rutte, Rutte, our boy
is on fire.
But first we have to understand just how
worried our allies are about the big orange
man.
For the last four years, Europe felt it
could rely on its American ally when it
came to trade and defense.
But not anymore.
Donald Trump hates the ongoing US-EU trade
deficit, which continued to grow during his first
term.
It means America buys a lot more from
the EU than it sells to the EU.
Last month, he said he told the European
Union to close that deficit by the large
-scale purchase of American oil and gas.
Otherwise, he'd use what he says is his
favorite word.
Tariff, tariff, tariff.
Tariff, tariff.
They're doing super cuts now in the news.
Tariffs.
Trump believes US import tariffs, which are basically
a tax on imports, are lower than the
EU's.
Any questions?
And he may be right.
The World Trade Organization says that in 2023,
the average US tariff was 3.3%
compared to 5% in the EU.
But that rises to 10% when it
comes to importing American cars into the European
Union, which is why he's threatening the bloc
with counter tariffs, a tactic that, for him,
doesn't just apply to trade wars.
We need Greenland for national security purposes.
People really don't even know if Denmark has
any legal right.
But if they do, they should give it
up because we need it for national security.
And if Denmark wants to get to a
conclusion, but nobody knows if they even have
any right title or interest, the people are
going to probably vote for independence or to
come into the United States.
But if they did, if they did do
that, then I would tariff Denmark at a
very high level.
On defense spending, he's already putting pressure on
Europeans to spend more as a percentage of
their overall economic output.
Well, I think NATO should have 5%.
Well, you can't do it at 2%.
I mean, at 2%, every country, if you're
going to have a country in a regular
military, you're at 4%.
I think they should be, you know, they're
in dangerous territory.
I think it should be they can all
afford it, but they should be at 5%,
not 2%.
I'm the one that got them to pay
2%.
Now, I played that for the 5%
number, which I had not heard before.
Had you heard 5% of GDP?
No.
Well, as it turns out, the guy who
used to be in human resources at Unilever,
who ran the Netherlands into the ground for
the past 12 years, who is now the
head of NATO, he's our guy.
He is selling- Your buddy?
Our guy is Mark Rutte.
He works for us and he's doing a
great job.
I have some Dutch pride actually now.
What I know from Donald Trump and from
the incoming administration is that they were the
ones pushing us for more defense spending.
They were successful at this and they were
right.
They were right.
Yes.
I mean, we did not spend enough.
And now, luckily, we are overall close to
- Interesting.
No, wait.
Oh, it's so much better.
Give that guy a stroopwafel.
Spent enough.
And now, luckily, we are overall close to
the 2%.
The problem is, of course, that in the
meantime, the 2% is not enough.
It's not enough.
We just heard Trump say it himself.
And some of you asked me, okay, what
should it be?
I don't want to commit to a number,
but as I said in my Carnegie-
Yeah, you better say it because here's my
number.
...
talk after my speech.
When you look, so let's say, at a
sort of first glance at the capability requirements
emerging from the internal planning process with the
NATO, it will be north of 3%.
But then you are right if you do
joint buying and making use of the NSBA
Luxembourg structures and everything else.
Listen to these Luxembourg structures.
We have all kinds of funny ways to
make the money flow.
With the NATO and the EU, you can
deduct joint buying, you can deduct innovation, for
example.
This guy, he's selling.
He's like, look, listen, you can afford this
place.
You can afford this house.
You get to write off the mortgage.
You write off your insurance.
I mean, this is a bargain.
Ukraine is experimenting with new radar systems, which
are extremely less expensive than some of the
more traditional radar systems to detect enemy missiles
coming in.
Just one example.
Cheap radar, what?
Cheap radar.
It's very cheap radar from Raytheon.
We've got many more capabilities we can buy
from America.
To detect enemy missiles coming in.
Just one example.
If you deduct that, you don't have to
get to what we are afraid of, you
would need now, which is 3.6, 3
.7. So you would bring that number somewhat
down, but it will be impressively more than
the 2% we are at now.
I'm afraid.
But that is a structured process within NATO.
We will conclude it over the coming month
with the defense ministers latest in June before
the summit in The Hague.
So now as a good salesman, he's going
to look at the other side.
He's going to look at your argument, why
you shouldn't buy this, why you shouldn't buy
into this much higher defense spending on American
gear.
Oh, you want to have your own NATO?
Fine, go ahead.
Then on the more autonomous European defense, well,
it's great to have a sort of European
NATO, but then forget about the 2%.
Then you have to bring it up to
8, 9 or 10%.
This guy is great.
Forget about this.
Forget about it, man.
8, 9%?
Really, you have to build your own nuclear
capability.
Oh, yes.
It will take 15, 20 years.
It will take forever.
If you want to build a European NATO
with it out to US.
At this moment, the US is spending over
60%.
Oh, boy.
Of all the monies being spent with the
NATO charity, over 60%.
That means the other 31 are doing less
than.
Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.
Get your math right.
40%, including Canada.
And so it is an illusion that you
can build a European NATO over the next
10 or 50 years.
Why would you?
I mean, the transatlantic relationship, I think, after
the First World War, but particularly after the
Second World War, has served us very well.
Yes.
So why would we disconnect from the US?
I would be against it.
But again, if you want this for ideological
reasons.
If you want this, if you hate the
orange man that much, it's OK.
Then you have to quadruple or even more
your defense spending.
And then it will still take you 10
or 15 years.
Yeah.
So you go ahead, you do that.
And meanwhile, me, Mark Rutte, I'm going to
close the deal now.
I'm absolutely convinced the United States will stay
with the NATO.
I'm not worried about that.
But we have to make sure that the
argument which the US had in the past
and still can have to a certain extent
at this moment.
That because of what they are spending, we
can spend more on other stuff because they
spent it on defense.
That we take out that argument by spending
more ourselves.
And when I say spending more ourselves, yet
it's better spending, joint procurement, innovation, etc.
But again, also more spending.
The 2%, everything I'm seeing at this moment
is not nearly enough.
And if we don't do it, we are
safe now, but not in four or five
years.
Here comes the threat.
So if you don't do it, get out
your Russian language courses or go to New
Zealand or decide now to spend more.
And that's exactly the debate we have to
finalize over the next three or four months
to stay safe in this part of the
world and defend ourselves.
You will be speaking Russian if you don't
spend the money.
I'm liking this guy now.
You've always liked him.
He's perfect for us.
Because you can do him.
Well, but he's perfect.
I had no idea that he is 100
% military industrial complex shill.
I mean, surprise, gambling going on here.
But I mean, he's perfect for this.
Because, you know, you can't argue that.
You want to speak Russian?
Go ahead.
Don't spend the monies.
We must decide this in three to four
months.
So the AFD people in Deutschland, they're seriously
thinking of quitting NATO.
If Germany leaves, what's left?
That's where the money is coming from.
Wow.
I don't know.
It's going to be an interesting year.
You know, Europe goes back hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of years.
They're always fighting with each other.
The fact that we've put this off somehow,
where there hasn't been any real fights, you
know, since 1946.
Except for this Ukraine situation and a few
miscellaneous bombings here and there in Serbia.
Minor stuff.
Minor incursions.
It's a miracle.
They were always at each other's throats.
Traditionally, forever.
I don't see why that would change.
It's got to come back.
Well, if Germany, if the AFD helps Germany
leave NATO, no, there it is.
And isn't it always the Germans and the
French?
It's always the Germans and the French.
It's some way, shape or form.
I mean, the British are always in there,
too, fighting someone.
They got nothing now.
Yeah, nothing.
They got nothing.
Yeah.
Well, with that, how about I thank you
for your courage and say in the morning
to you, the man who put the seas
incredible bullcrap.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end.
The one, the only, the inimitable John C.
Yeah, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam
Curry.
Also, in the morning, ships and sea boots
on the ground, feeding the air, subs in
the water, dames and knights out there.
Hello, trolls.
Here we go.
Yeah, our peak was still 2655.
It's good.
It's been good.
You know, everyone wants to hear what you
have to say about TikTok.
And I'm sure you will say I gave
him too much.
You did.
Yeah.
Well, we don't need to have a meeting
about it.
Message received.
We don't have to have a meeting about
it.
We never have meetings about anything.
Actually, we don't.
I do have a late donation that came
in over there.
We'll talk about it as we get to
the donation segment.
Oh, we typically don't do that.
I know.
And that's what my complaint is.
It'll be a big complaint.
Well, what about the meeting about that late
donation?
We should have had a meeting.
I could have brought it up, but I'll
bring it up.
You can talk about it after the show.
In our pre-show meeting where we...
The pre-show meeting, which consists of in
the morning and hit it.
Hit it.
That is how all meetings should go.
If all corporations did meetings like we do.
There's also one that there's a variable, which
is, did you get the bonus clip?
That is the third element.
That is a big part of the meeting.
Occasionally.
That is a big part of the meeting.
Those trolls, by the way, are hanging out
at trollroom.io, noagenda.stream. And there's a
troll room where you sit there, you troll
along.
For some reason, people...
There's like five guys in there.
And all they say is, oh, that's fake
and gay.
That's the only line they have.
It's fake and gay?
That's the only line they have.
Yeah.
Over and over again.
It's just like, oh, wow.
You need new material.
You need new material, guys.
Low T.
Of course, you can also get the show
live on a modern podcast app.
Go to podcastappsplural.com and get one of
them.
It has the bat signal.
We go live and you can listen live
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The same app that gets you all of
your favorite podcasts.
And when we release the podcast within 90
seconds, you'll be notified.
It's a beautiful thing.
And it adds all kinds of cool stuff
like chapters with art that is taken from
our art generator, which is diligently uploaded by
our artists during the show.
They make these things.
And that, of course, is part of our
value for value model where we give this
to you as a public service.
If you get any value out of what
we have presented to you, then you just
send it back to us.
Time, talent, or treasure.
So let's start with the value we received
from our artists for episode 1730.
We titled that one Pam Bondage.
Oh, by the way, I got a note
from, let me see, where is it?
From Trolldar.
And he sent a picture of him at
a rally where Pam Bondy was speaking.
And he says, yeah, she may be telegenic,
but in real life, she looks like Merle
Haggard in a blonde wig.
Well, it doesn't matter if you're telegenic.
I thought that would just be something that
you'd be interested in hearing about.
Well, you know, I have this theory and
so it's, you know, okay.
Go ahead.
What's the theory?
I consider there's different kinds of beauty.
And within the same person, there's three kinds
of beauty you can exhibit.
One is in-person beauty.
Some people that are just terrific looking in
person.
And then there's photogeneity, which is somebody who
looks great in a photograph.
And then there's telegeneity, which is also similar,
but it's not the same.
And it's when people look good on video.
And she is telegenic.
She's a little photogenic.
I've never seen her in person, but she
brings me back to my story about Marla
Maples.
Yes, you have mentioned this, but go ahead.
The story about Marla.
I got to meet Marla Maples, Trump's wife,
or became her wife or became his wife.
Was she married to the Donald at the
time?
No, she was not.
She was single.
But you were like, hey, baby.
No, you could tell she wasn't interested in
anybody, but someone bloated.
But you could also tell this.
For one thing, she was more beautiful than
you can imagine, to the point where she
looked pretty in photos, but no.
No, she didn't really look all that great
in photos.
It was okay.
The matter not, because she was a killer.
And you knew from just looking at it,
if she put her hooks in you, you
were done.
And that's what happened to poor Trump.
Now, so I'm having a photo take a
shoot in New York.
And with this photographer there, who's a picture.
Now, are you in the photo shoot or
are you producing?
I mean, I'm the guy being shot by
this by this photographer.
What was this for?
Was it was a PC computing or something?
It was, I don't know.
I can't remember.
But it was I had had this shot.
So I was in there talking to the
guy and he's also did fine art.
And I said, oh, you know, I'm always
trying to scrounge some free stuff.
And so I somehow Marla Maples comes into
the conversation.
And I said, you know, she's so pretty.
I've never seen a good.
And the guy jumps on it right away.
And he says, I tried to take pictures
of her and I couldn't capture it.
It was the most frustrating experience I've ever
had as a photographer.
And so that was so she was of
the one type only of beauty.
But there are some people that are all
three, which is very rare.
Now, what did you talk about with her?
With Marla Maples?
Yeah.
Oh, I can't remember.
It was just, you know, you're to your
jaw drops when you're just chatting with her.
She was on the phone almost all the
time.
It was Adam.
It was this is I'm not sound like
a douche, but it was that Bob.
I think it was.
How do you pronounce his last name?
The guy ran a Gucci on Gucci on
Gucci on his mansion was the biggest.
It was this big.
It was it was actually a whole flat.
Wait a minute.
Let me just get this straight.
You're doing a photo shoot for yourself at
Bob Gucci on his mansion.
I like the way you conflate these things.
No, the photo shoot was like a year
later.
Oh, oh, OK.
I see.
I'm at Gucci on his mansion for some
event because of something that was going on.
And I had a party there.
Computer party, no doubt.
Yeah.
And she was there and there's a bunch
of these Gucci only people there.
And the house was interesting.
It was a big it's a big it's
a townhouse.
He had the whole townhouse.
And it was supposedly the biggest one in
Manhattan, supposedly.
And yeah, it was very, very douchey.
I don't know.
I never went to Epstein's.
I hope not.
I mean, between Gucci only between Gucci only
and and the Grove.
What is it?
Bohemian Grove.
Yeah, I know.
I'm suspect.
Very suspect.
I think we need to put pictures of
you up on the wall and connect some
yarn between them.
Yeah, yarn.
That's what we need.
Hey, the artist for Episode 1730, Pam Bondage,
was no one less than Darren O'Neill,
who has just become a force to reckon
with when it comes to prompt jockeying.
Who needs talent when you can prompt jockey?
We know Darren has no talent.
That's what's so great about it.
Yeah.
And he did this and what was really
nice about it.
It was a little different.
I mean, first of all, it was a
fabulous piece.
Let's face it.
It was like a movie poster and a
postage stamp.
Newsom's Inferno.
And above it, it had No Agenda Studios
and then produced by Curry and Dvorak.
I mean, yes.
That is insight.
He does have ideas.
He's got ideas.
I don't know how that piece could even
come.
I mean, it's obviously AI.
That's what he does.
Yes.
I don't know how this piece could have
possibly been generated by anything.
Yeah.
It's so good.
Well, maybe he'll tell us.
Maybe he can let us know how he
did it.
He sent us the prompts before.
I'd like to just take those prompts that
he did and then try them in different
AIs.
And let's see if it comes out.
I mean, it's amazing.
And the sad thing, of course, is he's
usurping talented people.
Oh, he's kicking their ass.
It's, yes, it's sad.
It's sad.
But what are you going to do?
I mean, this is like disco all over
again.
You know, when everyone came in with the
drum beats.
Well, I'm reminded of Martin JJ in the
years past when he was dominating the art
segment.
The art charts.
The charts.
He was dominating for about, I don't know,
two or three months.
And he said, look, I'm dominating.
It's ridiculous.
I quit.
Yeah, Darren.
Just saying.
I don't want Darren to quit yet, but
he's getting there.
He is up there for sure.
Let's see.
There were some other things that we looked
at.
Some other.
I kind of like the red note from
Sir Shug.
Better than TikTok.
Try a red note.
But Tantaniel had come in, which we're happy
to see.
It's a yes or no question.
I take that as a no agenda.
But it was just, I mean, it just
couldn't compete.
Scaramouche.
A lot of bondage pics.
Very funny.
We don't typically put people on our art.
People keep forgetting that.
Yeah, we don't.
It's not really a rule.
But yeah, generally, we don't do that.
What else was there?
Merle Haggard with a wig.
It finally hit, huh?
No, I got it the first time.
But I'm just looking at this picture of
her in the bondage outfit and it's like,
I don't know.
What was interesting is there was a meta
piece as Tantaniel made a newspaper, no agenda
newspaper.
And in it, she had Darren's image as
newsprint in the newspaper.
Did you catch that?
No.
Look, if you look at the art, are
you looking at the art page?
Yeah, I got the art page.
You see?
Which one is it?
It's a newspaper and it says Olympic Fire
arrives in LA.
And then you see Darren's Newsom's Inferno image
on the front page of the paper.
It's very, very meta of her to do
that.
Well, I'm not finding it.
Okay, go to it.
You see Newsom's Inferno.
Oh, there it is.
I see.
I see it too soon.
Okay, let me look at it.
Oh, that's interesting.
That's very meta.
Yeah, it's just too small.
Well, you can't see it and it's kind
of a boring composition.
No offense, Tantaniel, but boring is what I
would call it.
And I saw that you used Commissar Blogger's
Looney Tunes with Biden for the newsletter.
Yes.
By the way, that was an interesting newsletter.
Yeah, I have a new feature.
A new feature.
Tell us about this new feature so people
can subscribe to the newsletter.
It's a point-by-point way of arguing
some situation that exists.
So it tells you what, you know, it's
like the left says they have these standard
things they keep saying and then somebody argues
against it and nobody says anything correctly.
And so this is a kind of, the
idea is to create, about once a month
I'll try to do this, a counterpoint or
a counterpunch, which is the name of the
article, to some, any point.
I think maybe transsexuality or the gender studies.
How about this?
I have a bonus clip.
We try to do this now.
Remember, this is the secret no agenda donation
club.
Oh, that's interesting because after your bonus clip,
I have a bonus clip.
Well, this is about the newsletter and specifically
about the, you had a name for it.
A catchy name.
Counterpunch.
A Wall Street Journal news report has put
immigration advocates in Chicago on alert.
If your family is picked up by ICE,
we will give you an appointment to sit
down with an attorney or accredited representative in
Chicago to be able to start your legal
screening, seeing what the options are for your
family.
State and local leaders joined them Saturday morning.
We did anticipate that Chicago would be first.
Why?
We were the first in the country to
declare ourselves a sanctuary city.
The Wall Street Journal's report says as early
as next Tuesday, 100 to 200 ICE agents
could be sent to the Windy City to
begin a deportation operation.
Those familiar with the plans told the journal
the focus will be removing people who are
here illegally with criminal backgrounds.
That assertion is to broaden the idea that
immigrants are more prone to criminality.
That's why we reject it.
That's the big thing.
That was the perfect example.
And in the newsletter, the counterpunch to that
argument is outlined in great detail.
Yes.
Go look it up on the socials and
every single show notes page, even on noagendashow
.net.
You can find a place where you can
subscribe to the newsletter.
It's well worth it.
It had actual content.
Yes, which never helps.
No, it doesn't help.
Now we're going to move over to the
treasure portion of our time.
Well, before that, you want to play a
bonus clip.
A bonus clip.
Okay.
This is an example of if you have
your ducks in a row and you can
make an argument, you can do a, which
is the counterpunch.
We'll have a discussion of that.
But here's an example of Megan Kelly, who
turns out to be getting pretty good at
these rants because she's fast.
She's quick-witted and she's got her very,
very, very popular rants from her.
Yeah.
And she nails it and she's short.
Now, this is a rant from Megan Kelly
on Jennifer Aniston.
It's 55 seconds.
And Tina told me about this one.
It's quite good.
Think about how tight, how tight this 55
-second rant is and try to be like
this.
You just saw Jennifer Aniston tweeted out about
JD Vance's childless cat lady comments.
I don't know if you saw that.
She came out and said, I hope your
daughter never needs IVF, which you will oppose.
Lie.
He doesn't oppose IVF.
He signed on to the Ted Cruz, Katie
Britt bill protecting it in all 50 states.
So she wanted to stand up for childless
cat ladies because she's one of them.
What she said about the women?
What'd she say about the girl who got
her face punched out by the man in
the boxing ring?
Zero.
What does she said about Peyton McNabb who's
suffering permanent nerve damage and brain damage from
getting hit so hard in the face and
the head by a volleyball player in North
Carolina?
Nothing.
What'd she say about that girl who got
all of her teeth knocked out in a
field hockey game by a boy pretending to
be a girl on her team?
Zero.
So I don't give a shit what she
thinks about JD Vance and childless cat ladies.
She masquerades as some protector of women.
She's quite the contrary.
She's never stood up on any of these
issues.
This is the one she comes out on.
You don't want childless cat ladies to be
offended.
That's where you're going to plant your flag.
The problem is that Tina's a big fan
of the Megyn Kelly show, but she doesn't
really watch the whole show anymore.
This stuff gets chopped up.
It gets posted on.
She's an Instagrammer.
It gets posted on Instagram.
And so she just looks for the clips
and she'll play five to 15 minutes.
She never really gets the whole show.
And I think Megyn Kelly does a disservice
by doing that.
It's clearly her team that is doing that
and her rants are perfect.
In fact, she should be trending on TikTok.
It's perfect for TikTok.
It's very TikTok-y.
It's extremely TikTok-y.
In fact, they have some good TikTok material
coming up after the break.
We are very excited.
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Now, do you have the late breaking donation
you wanted to talk about first?
Well, the late breaking donation is $222, and
so when we get to that...
Oh, okay.
Then I will start with Zarin Denzel from
Port Townsend, Washington.
Huh.
Isn't that up where you guys have a
place?
Yeah, Port Townsend is the cool town.
It's a little antique town on the coast.
It's cool.
It is.
If you go to Port Townsend, it's like
a tourist trap.
It's really a pretty little town.
Well, you got good people there because Zarin
gives us a nice fat row of ducks,
22, 22, 22.
Thank you.
And says, thanks for keeping me sane through
these crazy times.
Can't really imagine living without my new agenda.
ITM from Zarin.
That's it.
I love the note.
Short note.
Beautiful.
Thank you.
And clearly, Zarin got some value from the
show a lot and sent it back, and
we appreciate you.
Yeah.
This is the kind of donations we should
be getting from the intelligence community.
Well, we don't know what Zarin does for
a living, so we'll just keep that in
the middle.
Well, if he's in Port Townsend, it seems
unlikely, but you never know.
Ty Glander's up next, and he's also in
Washington.
He's in Kirkland.
And we got a nasty note from somebody
that works at Costco.
Oh, no.
Saying, you know, Kirkland was only the headquarters
of Costco for a while, way back before
I was there, and I've been there for
30 years.
Oh, I was unaware.
Issaquah.
Issaquah is where it's headquartered.
Issaquah, Washington.
That's Costco.
So we got the note, and the guy
was very informative about all kinds of Costco
inside the information.
And did we learn about the hot dogs?
Are they skimping on the bags?
Are they skimping on the drinks?
Did we get any information on that?
He says that they have—the hot dog thing
is a problem with the company because they've
had the—they used to be made, they used
to have a Polish and a hot dog,
and they used to be made by, I
think it's Nathan's and— Yes, it was the
Nathan's, yes.
And then there was a kosher— Kosher version.
Some—yeah, but it was done by a different
company.
Made by Oy Nathan's.
Oy Nathan's.
No, there's some other company.
Hebrew.
Hebrew National— Oh, Hebrew Franks.
Yes, you're right.
So there was the two, and they said,
oh, they were going broke.
So they decided Costco— Really?
The Costco hot dogs are currently made by
Costco.
They were going broke?
They were losing money on the hot dogs.
Well, sure.
They're eating the dogs.
We're losing money.
They're eating the dogs.
So they—that would have been perfect for the
clip.
Yes.
So they're making their own hot dogs now,
and somebody bitched about the buns being smaller.
I didn't notice that.
That was me.
That somebody was me.
I noticed it.
And he said that they don't have the—after
COVID, they dropped the onions and the sauerkraut
because of COVID.
COVID.
And so they stayed away from it because,
you know, it costs money.
Yeah.
So they're— They took advantage of the situation.
They took advantage of the situation.
But this guy's an insider at Costco, so
if we have Costco questions, we can find
out the answers.
When is the cheap wine coming back?
Give us a heads up.
He said the reason for the chicken change,
because they used to be— Another show title.
Chicken change.
OK.
Chicken is in a bag now, which is
regretful, and everyone at the company knows it,
too.
It's all for environmental reasons.
Of course, Washingtonians.
Washingtonians.
There you go.
That's it.
Anyway, so we got Ty Glander here, and
he's in Kirkland, Washington, the former home of
Costco.
631.61, and he says to correct the
record and get knighted.
OK.
Sir Libra's birthday gift was to drive traffic
to the best metal show in the value
-for-value universe.
That's sirlibra.com slash lightning dash thrashes.
Yes.
I'll put a link in there.
I think we can.
I would like to be knighted as sir
imperfect.
Imp perfect.
Good.
All right.
You got it.
We'll see you in a bit, Ty.
Skylar Firestone.
Now, there's a DJ name.
Have you ever heard one?
Hello, everybody.
Skylar Firestone with you, rocking and rolling from
Liberty Hill, Texas.
34569.
ITM, great show.
Your deconstruction is top keck and skibbity-riz,
as the kids would say.
Hey, you see how that rolled off my
tongue?
Yeah, unfortunately.
Shout out to my smoking hot wife, Michelle.
We'll need a de-douching.
You've been de-douched.
Also need a that's true and yak karma
and the longest Al Sharpton you got.
Well, I don't know about that.
Why don't we play that?
Let's play that.
I like that climate change Al Sharpton.
We'll play that one again for you.
We haven't heard it enough, so it's kind
of funny.
Go team, go sports.
That's true.
Firefighters have been making progress in containing the
raging Palisades and Eden fires.
The devastation now ranks among the worst in
California history.
Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that
2024 was the hottest year on record, 1
.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, bringing
the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge
made by global leaders under the 2015 Paris
Climate Agreement.
You've got karma.
The gift that keeps on giving.
Yeah, MSNBC's headliner.
Sir Nick and Tucker Georgia comes in with
333 33.
I'll be as brief as I can.
He writes as all we have as we
all have lives to live.
I donate for many reasons, mostly because the
show is more than often correct or on
the right track.
Adam once was pro XR.
I was never pro XRP.
That's not true.
I don't even know what that means.
It's a crypto crypto coin.
He seems now to be lukewarm.
I'm here waving the flag again.
Bitcoin is pathetically slow.
Ethereum was given a free pass by the
SEC, even though the transactions are very expensive.
XRP was created to interface with the swift
banking system at almost zero cost.
Hindsight is 2020.
XRP has tripled in the last six months
because Gary Gensler lost his lawsuit.
It hasn't happened since the inbred insider losers
at the SEC lost their two year long
battle to try and squash RIPPLE.
Then in all caps, if the federal government
can't stop it, why aren't you buying it?
It's the only cryptocurrency with a green light.
No jingles.
Give me Carmen, the rest of the slaves
or with the rest of the slaves.
Sir Nick, Knight of Abundance.
He gave us $333.
He must be doing well.
I'm all for it.
RIPPLE is down 5% today, but OK,
good to go.
You've got karma.
I always thought it was a wine.
What?
I thought it was a wine.
OK, Sir Kevin Dills, Huntersville, North Carolina, $333
.33. We haven't heard from him for a
while.
No, well, he has complaints.
Adam, you're chomping your teeth.
Huh?
Please send me a time code if I'm
I haven't.
No, I'm the one that catches this stuff.
Yeah, I mean, I can't even chomp, but
sometimes I notice this.
But I don't think I've heard that on
the show.
Well, it says I'm listening on speakers.
Yeah, it's possible I'm missing the subtlety of
the chomping of the teeth.
He says it breaks through the noise gate.
It's distracting.
Please stop.
Also, please use your cough button.
That's John, by the way.
No, no, you don't.
You cough a lot on the show and
you don't.
And you have a cough button and I
don't.
Well, get a cough button.
No, I just use the mute.
You blow your nose.
You're sneezing.
Well, sometimes you blow the nose for effect.
I mean, it's a good, you're yacking away
on something and a nose blow right in
the middle of it's perfect.
For effects.
Well, I use my cough button a lot
when I cough.
Believe me, the times that I don't use
it is rare.
But I shall pay attention.
And please send me a time code for
the so-called teeth chomping.
I mean, they are new.
So who knows?
You're hurting my ear balls.
You're hurting the show.
That got my attention when you said that.
Sir Kevin Dills, Duke of North Carolina.
Thank you, brother.
I will pay attention.
Send me a time code.
Sir Jim James in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, 33333.
He writes switcheroo.
This donation is to the marriage of Gavin
and Katelyn McMahon.
This isn't the vinyl you asked for, but
it's an executive producership to your marriage instead.
Vinyl.
I wonder what that means.
May God bless your union and may the
love you have for each other today persevere
until the end.
Just some newlywed karma for the new couple.
Goat karma works for me.
Thanks.
You've got karma.
We go to Pahrump, Pahrump, Nevada.
Pahrump.
Dame Sand Cat is in Pahrump and says
with her $333.33 donation, any Rev Al,
please.
I'm glad you asked.
Los Angeles County has declared a public health
emergency due to the air quality.
Officials won.
The biggest threats are smoke and particular matters,
which they say may cause long term health
effects.
Particular matters.
Thank you, Rev Al.
All right, so now we're at the associate
executive producer level, and so I have to
bring in the bonus.
Bonus donation.
Okay, this must be something special.
Back and forth.
Back and well, it came in.
What is the rule?
Tell people the rule first.
The rule is the rule.
The rule is you got to get your
donation in by midnight Pacific time, not while
the show is being produced.
So this came in at seven in the
morning because somebody rolled out of bed and
said, Yeah, I haven't donated for a while.
And so I think I'll donate.
And so we went back and forth.
I said, Yeah, it's too late.
That's money.
You want your rule follower.
Your rule follower.
So this is Dana Brunetti.
Oh, really?
Oh, you're sucking up to Hollywood.
222 Road Ducks.
Oh, please.
Road Ducks 220.
Yeah, I knew you'd be offended.
He gets special treatment because he's Hollywood.
I gave him grief for this because it's
like, you know, you're Holly and he's like
you he's he's anal.
He's like a neat freak.
And he's a guy would go, he's in
rules.
He rules.
He goes on.
But anyway, so he has this note, which
I thought would be worth reading.
If I can just say for those who
are new to the show, Dana Brunetti, producer
of such fine entertainment as Fifty Shades of
Grey, Fifty Shades of Greyer and more greyer
than Fifty Shades, House of Cards, Gran Turismo
and many, many more fine entertainment products.
So he's an entertainment product guy.
Who's retired.
Uh-huh.
That's what I say.
Sure.
He's serious.
So he writes a note.
He wanted this note read, I think, more
than anything.
Here's the note.
We need to discuss tip of the day.
Oh, and he's making waves.
OK.
All right.
It's gone from Timu to how to look
people up online.
Very dangerous and addictive.
We don't want it ending up banned in
the US like Tick Tock.
Get it together, JC.
Then he says this donation is a switcheroo
and the secretary slash the secretary slash associate
producer credit.
He can't stand that.
Yeah, he he's got a beef about this,
about the credit itself as a yeah.
Hey, give us ten dollars and the richest
man, my best buddy and Adam's favorite agent
provocateur Elon Musk.
Oh, brother.
Signed the governor of El Dorado.
Well, you know, perhaps the governor should look
at Elon Musk being outed as a phony
expert gamer, which is all the rage now.
Everyone's talking about it.
So I don't know anything about this.
Well, he I think it was on Rogan.
And he said and he was showing this
video of how good he was at gaming.
Turns out he has some Chinese guy doing
it for him.
And he's a Chinese guy doing his tweets,
too.
Come on.
Well, for sure.
He's got writers.
I mean, does he even do anything?
He does anything.
All right.
Well, we will alert Elon of this this
switcheroo.
So do I just put Elon Musk in
the credits?
Yeah, I put Elon Musk in the credits.
What was it was two two two was
what it was.
Two two two two two.
It was a row of ducks, a small
row of ducks.
Elon Musk.
The associate producer length row of ducks.
Elon Musk is an Elon Musk, coincidentally from
Austin, Texas.
What?
He's in Austin, Texas.
Oh, that's where he is.
Oh, he lives in Austin.
I thought he moved to the coast so
he'd be near his lunch.
And we're just going to call it Austin.
We're just calling it Austin.
All right.
Very good.
Then I'll do Kurt, who also is in
Austin.
Now, Kurt should have gone first because he
has 263.22. But oh, no.
Breaks on for Dana Brunetti, the big Hollywood
star.
Kurt K of Austin, Texas.
My last name is produced, pronounced, produced is
Kiefer, which you probably just mispronounced again.
No, I can read ahead.
It's pronounced Kiefer, not Keefer.
You know, all caps here.
Moving right along.
I decided to replace my very old WBEZ
NPR coffee mug from my previous life in
Chicago with a spiffy new no agenda 15
ounce mug from no agenda shop dot com.
Why?
Because NPR sucks.
I can't believe I contributed to the Wackadoodles
over at America's Treasure.
That's our national treasure.
For so many years.
All my money now goes to you guys.
John, it's paying off.
It's paying off.
Once again, a big thanks to my Austin
native, free thinking, brilliant, drop dead gorgeous wife,
Beth, for turning me on to no agenda.
Continue your jobs, karma, for my dear sister,
Carrie.
Love you guys, the producers and boobs.
All the best.
Kurt.
Thank you, Kurt.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
I think that makes us assume that Beth
has nice boobs.
Yeah, it sounds like it.
Yeah.
Eli, the coffee guy's up.
He's in Bensonville, Illinois.
Two hundred one dollars and 19 cents.
And he says, well, that was an interesting
four years.
I guess we'll have to wait and see
what the next four years will bring.
Uh, then he goes on to say, I
do believe centuries from now, historians will say
the mid 2020s was the golden era for
the best podcast in the universe.
I'd say probably.
Maybe, maybe, maybe.
What a time to be alive.
I'm just glad to be along for the
ride.
Caffeinated and motivated jingles.
I love caffeinated, motivated.
We've got an attitude for gratitude.
Yeah, baby.
Jingles.
Trump jobs and four more years.
And for producers who are excited for what
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Stay caffeinated.
Eli, the coffee guy.
Four more years.
Jobs, jobs, jobs.
Oh, that fits.
You've got karma.
That actually sounds really good.
I'd never considered that.
Those two together.
Four more years.
Jobs.
Oh, wait.
Four more years.
Jobs, jobs, jobs.
That's a great fit.
That's not bad.
That's a good fit.
Thanks, Eli.
And curiously, also requesting Trump jobs, karma is
Linda Lou Patkin from Lakewood, Colorado with $200.
Who doesn't know her?
Jobs, karma, Trump version.
And for a resume that gets results, visit
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And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs
and writer of resumes.
Jobs, jobs, jobs.
You've got karma.
Nice.
Wrapping things up is Darren Kirby in Portland,
Oregon.
Portland, huh?
Hello, John and Adam.
Hello.
Thanks from Darren Kirby, a dimlins lamplighter and
keeper of the scrolls.
First-time donor.
I invite No Agenda listeners everywhere to advertise
a business card affordably on scrolls.com.
That's S-C-R-O-L-Z.
That's with one L followed by a Z.
Yeah, I figured that.
If on the throne for relief from boredom
and grief, you will be amused to find
fun, fast, and entertaining tidbits on scrolls.com.
Please at least some karma.
And maybe chimes or bells, respectfully, Darren Kirby
in Portland.
Donate, donate, donate.
You've got karma.
Everybody loves that chime.
Do you still have that thing?
You have it laying around?
What was that thing called?
We both had one of those.
It was very annoying.
It made dogs bark, babies cry.
You know?
Oh, yeah, I do.
It's right here.
You do.
You are the true archivist.
You actually should be holding on to the
28th Amendment.
No, no, no, no.
It's the piece of metal you strike.
No, that's not it.
That's not it.
That's the chime.
So you're talking about...
The Zenergy chime.
You're talking about this.
Yeah, there it is.
Baby, there you go.
Thank you all very much, executive and associate
executive producers.
Again, these credits are completely real.
You can use them anywhere.
Show business people hang out.
Go to Danny Brunetti.
Go up to his ranch and say, excuse
me, I'm executive producer.
You're I'm lowly secretary associate executive producer.
Yeah, it's funny I didn't mention it.
I shouldn't mention.
I'll tell you where he lives.
He's in bum fuck shingles.
And he's the governor, apparently.
We'll be thanking everybody $50 and above in
a few minutes.
Remember, we do have John's tip of the
day coming up, created by Danny Brunetti.
And we have I think we have some
talk clips coming.
So once again, thank you all for supporting
us with your time, your talent and your
treasure.
Our formula is this.
We go out.
We hit people in the mouth.
Oh, yeah.
Shut up.
All right, you're up, I guess.
Tick tock tick tock.
All right, this would be the last of
the Lulu clips.
You must be very happy that tick tock
is back on the air.
I don't really care.
Oh, what else you can do with your
time?
What are you going to do?
scroll LinkedIn see I don't use I use
the online app it's not an app it's
a website oh yes you and Sotomayor yes
remember I don't even do that I let
other people clear these clips I don't even
really just so you know just so you
know the website is stealing your contact list
yeah I bet it is I heard it
so let's let's start with the with the
great that this this funny-looking guy that
comes on and he's been talking about Trump
being arrested and fortunately went on and on
so there's a two-parter but this is
the diluted talk diluted dude one he is
not going to be sworn in and he
will not be our next president how I
know that for certain comes from the knowledge
of some information I found out last night
that I didn't know you know we all
know that when Biden was sworn in the
one person not present at his inauguration was
who Donald Trump he lacked the character to
be there to share in another man's joy
to have the character to say you know
I didn't win the election you did but
here's a guy that's been given everything on
a silver platter his whole life he was
born on third base and thought he hit
a triple he couldn't be at Joe Biden's
inauguration so what I found out last night
you know I'm thinking when is Donald Trump
gonna be arrested and now I know that
he's gonna be arrested at his inauguration because
there's gonna be three people not present there
Barack Obama George W Bush and Bill Clinton
and their wives will not be present at
Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday they will not
be there not just because they know that
he's an asshole they don't want to be
near him or around him but because it's
a security risk it's a security risk that
they don't want our presidents to be subject
to the inauguration the steps that have been
taking taken 30 miles of high-quality well
-built fencing this is very difficult to negotiate
it's not easy to get over 30 miles
of that cement blocks and 25,000 law
enforcement officers those things are in place to
quelch a second insurrection because the powers that
be know that the proud boys and girls
there that weren't that are invited into Washington
DC this Sunday to celebrate Donald Trump's victory
that's why you invited them in on Sunday
so they can celebrate he knows that they're
there to come to his back because he
knows something's up to have his back on
Monday the systems are in place they can't
have his back you know what these guys
are missing or what they miss because this
is obviously is going to be the last
lose we want them dots but they need
a cue they need their version of Q
like Zed Zed says you know they need
they need right there is a missing element
here we're we're left hanging about he did
oh he had this information it was provided
by who by what anyway he wraps up
early it was a short I had to
put this in there's a rest of it
they can attempt to have his back but
they'll be arrested and put down so there
you go this is probably one of my
most meaningful videos when I'm reaching out to
you hopefully it'll be one of my shortest
I'm learning to curb it I'm gonna be
better I'll be better in providing information and
not going on so long the 15th the
hearing on election interference the next day yesterday
Joe Biden signs an addendum to an executive
order one three six nine four making it
a crime to undermine the election process which
Donald Trump's guilty of that's the final piece
of the puzzle done they had to wait
this long and everybody's like why couldn't they've
done it weeks ago they couldn't Kamala had
to certify the ballots so that no Republican
attorneys can raise their freaking ugly heads and
question anything it's a lockdown it's lock all
the everything has been done legally Donald Trump
was never going to take office yeah no
boy what are they gonna do these people
I'd like to know cuz I got two
more of these people okay I get this
one here is my favorite of the group
this is they got him brother they got
him they got it they got him they
got him they got him and in the
event that this really is like the end
of tick-tock in America which I still
don't fully believe but yeah I'm gonna I'm
gonna say it they got him the three
-letter agencies the government whoever however you want
to say they got him he's not gonna
be inaugurated he is going to be punished
for his crimes both proven and still in
the works but yeah I don't think he's
going to take office and even if you
know who we want to take office doesn't
honestly like as long as it's not him
that's fine with me although I do hope
to God that it doesn't you know turn
out to be a process where it's JD
or little Johnson because that's that's not much
better yeah I mean we heard that his
inauguration was moved inside because of security hmm
and not because of weather like you said
so I don't know all nice fade out
on the music so I saw a bunch
of pictures this morning that NYPD is there
I don't know if that's like the norm
or a regular thing just to have extra
you know protection there or whatever but NYPD
is there lining the street something's gonna happen
he's not gonna make it with some like
geoprism even predicting that there's gonna be like
a great switch so we'll see we'll see
we'll see but like I was saying if
this is the last app the last day
of this app excuse me sorry this is
the last day of this app then like
they they got him even if we don't
see the takedown on tik-tok like we
want to see it or even if we
do you know no we do that would
be great but it's rest assured it'll be
okay and we're good they got him well
now I understand why the troll room continuously
says it's all fake and gay and you
have something to say about my Supreme Court
clips and then we have and then we
have let that slide and then we have
the talk reason Trump going inside because he's
done they got him it's all over he's
getting arrested camel is gonna be president so
you may have heard that the Trump team
is moving their inauguration ceremony from outside to
inside in the rotunda and they are saying
is because of frigid temps but it's actually
because they are expecting some of the lowest
turnouts ever for an inauguration and I know
this very well from working with campaigns if
you know you're gonna be short people you
move to a smaller space move everybody to
the front take the pictures from the back
and that's what they're gonna do no one
was gonna well it's gonna be 12 degrees
yeah I mean but people were still gonna
show up probably oh yeah oh man oh
man is that it is that does that
conclude our I think of the Trump stuff
yeah there's one other clip which has got
nothing to do with it it'll be it'll
be used as appropriate we put it in
abeyance for now yes in abeyance now I
got the free speech clips out of the
UK which are interesting the UK is a
very interesting study from the perspective of free
speech because George Orwell there isn't any what
has been going on there has been kind
of a shocker yeah I have to I
got to call my buddy Michelle is this
about the pubs is that what this is
no this is not about the politicians about
this the whole problem with the universities is
right they're making a big fuss at some
of the universities because they've decided that free
speech is a good idea let me just
read you the headline labors pub banter crackdown
landlords could oh yes I heard it I
don't have a clip on this is a
great what how is this even this is
beyond me what's going on landlords could ban
drinkers from talking about controversial topics that bar
workers think are offensive so a landlord can
kick you out if you if you're running
a bar on their property I guess this
is why I have to call Michelle because
he knows this stuff this it's like yeah
there is no free speech in the UK
none zero zip nada why I wonder why
Scott how Scott Galloway is doing he bought
a house there he moved to London so
he could talk about football please all right
free speech in UK universities Britain will enact
free speech legislation for universities amid mounting calls
from leading academics but only partially the British
government is seeking to repeal some provisions of
the incoming law which it deems burdensome entities
international correspondent Malcolm Hudson has more on this
from London free speech in UK universities is
now set to be better secured with a
law aiming to protect students and teachers from
cancel culture though the British government is currently
implementing only parts of a law after previously
pausing the full version and this after continued
and mounting pressure from academics and free speech
advocates who wanted the law enacted education secretary
Bridget Philipson paused the higher education freedom of
speech act just before it was due to
take effect last August due to concerns that
the law was burdensome while not addressing hate
speech on campuses however almost 700 academics including
several Nobel Prize winners called on Philipson to
implement the law to protect free speech on
Wednesday Philipson confirmed key provisions will be brought
into force the ability of our academics to
explore and express new ideas through teaching and
research is precious and we must protect it
these fundamental freedoms are more important much more
important than the wishes of some students not
to be offended she said universities are not
a place for students to shut down any
view with which they disagree provisions to enact
include the higher education regulator the Office for
Students will have the power to investigate complaints
over breaches of free speech as well as
the power to issue fines for breaches the
act will also require all universities to have
robust codes of conduct to ensure the protection
of free speech universities that break the rules
will be publicly held to account and could
end up paying compensation fines or even be
suspended just one of the many reasons we
left you guys you're crazy you're totally crazy
this all seems to be about just banning
the term tacky really I mean the whole
thing is crazy there and they you know
they don't want they're like the Australian guy
who doesn't know what's that he wants to
make memes illegal more so now Elmer Fudd
they do not have any version of a
First Amendment and they have the Magna Carta
which I think says something maybe about religious
freedom possibly but this is a wow this
is a problem where's the revolts Britain it's
beyond me but here's the second part of
this series Philipson is seeking to repeal other
parts of the legislation the first is the
duties on student unions in the act students
unions are neither equipped nor funded to navigate
such a complex regulatory environment she's also seeking
repeal of another provision one which would allow
individuals to sue institutions that failed to comply
with freedom of speech requirements she said this
would create costly litigation that risks diverting resources
away from students at a time when university
finances are already strained the Department for Education
also said overseas transparency provisions in the act
will be kept under review these provisions were
meant to prevent anonymous donations to universities amid
concerns about foreign interference responding to Philipson shadow
education secretary Laura Trott asked what changes to
the overseas funding provisions are being considered can
she confirm that none of these were discussed
in the Chancellor's recent visit to China and
can she confirm that there were no deals
done to amend this clause Philipson did not
respond to this question at the time where's
Nigel Farage where are these people with that
where's the outrage there's none there's none there's
no outrage I don't least I don't not
that I can see I haven't seen any
it's very peculiar I remember that we didn't
talk about it but there was a star
mer who was really freaked out about the
fact that that Trump's henchman Elon Musk hatchet
man hatchet yeah hatchet man I'm sorry you're
right yeah is going after for being a
pedophile being a pedophile for protecting the the
pedo rapists yes yes but he's and star
mermaid did some comment about you know they're
gonna ask for the extradition of American citizens
who who get involved in British politics and
make commentary of some sort that's against their
laws which means Musk yeah I don't know
what what what they're gonna do this is
just crazy by the way did you see
the the news about Darren Bell the prize
-winning cartoonist oh yes yeah he's done he's
done some really odd groomer like yeah I
had there was a there was a meme
about it which was I was gonna use
the probably put it in the next newsletter
it's quite funny yeah that guy yeah he
was a nasty editorial cartoonist we don't we
don't know that he is he's been arrested
on it no I say he's nasty yeah
okay nasty editorial cartoonist yeah he was me
a mean-spirited nasty editorial cartoonist that used
to give Trump grief for one thing or
another especially his you know his supposed you
know assault on that crazy woman in bloom
Bergdorf Bergdorf yeah like there's nobody around yeah
in Bergdorf and and so he's that guy
and then the next thing you know he
was accused of being uploading child pornography oh
man yeah scourge what a scourge yeah ledge
scourge well speaking of Elon it's amazing what
kind of press the guy can get tonight
these spectacular images of debris a blaze in
the sky above the Caribbean the FAA now
requiring SpaceX launch an investigation into the mid
-flight failure yeah the incident forced flight delays
and diversions around Florida some pilots concerned midair
this was the seventh
test launch of the rocket the reusable booster
successfully hauled in by the so-called chopsticks
of Mecca Zilla SpaceX lost communications with the
ship just minutes later company saying they believe
a fire caused it to break apart SpaceX
is asking anyone who finds debris to report
it to them and the Starship will be
grounded until SpaceX and the FAA completes this
investigation I love it I love it was
this the moon launch was this the one
that was supposed to go to the moon
I think so forget the Van Allen belts
you can't even get above the clouds hey
man it's really awesome how the booster gets
caught by by Mecca Zilla mom that's really
awesome that's really fantastic that's real awesome okay
get me to the moon we did it
60 years ago in some rickety piece of
aluminum you know you know me John uh
you're the at least you're consistent I am
very consistent everybody
is very nervous about the tip of the
day because now that the creator himself Dana
Brunetti Dana Brunetti has showed up on the
scene and is making waves we're very curious
everyone loved the the dashcam one I saw
people posting pictures of it and links to
it and everyone's like it's a huge hit
and you know you got free you got
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which reminds me because we're going to thank
everybody $50 and above I want to thank
Sean Holman in Noblesville Indiana who comes in
with 148 48 which he says was a
show 1730 donation I guess that was what
was the number for show 1730 it wasn't
148 48 that must be with fees well
it's his first donation and a switcheroo for
his wife they just had the fourth human
resource it was their first boy finally and
then he just says everyone go to stealth
arms net and the reason why I say
that is because you know you got yourself
a dashcam he sent me a platypus a
what a platypus you don't know you don't
know what the platypus no I don't know
anything about what you're talking about the platypus
that's that is the hottest handgun going on
these days the platypus it's a plot it's
called a you you're shooting a gun called
a platypus it actually looks a bit like
a platypus bit with a big was just
spray bullets every which way or what I
don't know got a big bill on the
end kind of I got to go pick
it up I'll pick it up tomorrow I'll
let you know so anyway that's it you
can continue oh what was I doing you're
gonna pick it up with sir Stuart in
Staffordshire oh no oh you oh I'm sorry
you got me all confused yes I'm sorry
I'm sorry about that Sean Holman was the
first he's in Noblesville okay you get you
you read that yes I did because he
gave me a platypus I didn't get a
platypus you got you got a dashcam the
platypus is more interesting not well you got
to talk to Sean that
is as bad as saying Paki my friend
you can't say gypped anymore surely you know
yeah you know this yes why can I
say gyp what what's the what is the
reason it hurts gypsies feelings I you know
curious I had one gypsy who told me
that yeah and did he beat you up
no did he get pocketed you read your
fortune okay onward these are the donations
of your bad yeah sir Stewart Stafford Staffordshire
UK one two three one two four three
three Steve David Davis David Baron I think
he's by now Gladstone Missouri David Fugazotto and
one two four three three there you go
there you go Dame Roundstone in Trumbull Connecticut
one two four three three these are all
the the donations for the inauguration 120 25
right plus the interesting how the fees bring
it to a 33 magic number everywhere it's
amazing yeah I found that to be peculiar
indeed James Fitzgerald in Palmer Lake Colorado I'm
just gonna read that all these all these
these are all donations and for the Trump
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I think we should at least do that
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I might add 75 this is fourth donation
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Greg Greg yeah I got someone who has
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is we're in the moment of the show
we like to play some fun little ditties
that well this is it this is really
the true meeting we have the only meeting
we have on the show is this and
we do it in public I have two
ISOs do you have any ISOs I have
one but I have to preface it with
the clip for that move from which I
drew the ISO no well let's do that
first so I have so I'm listening to
NPR no surprise and there's these and they're
talking about this guy is this kind of
low-key guy I mean like this is
gonna be my new term for the guys
and so these low-key guys so this
guy's going on and on about this show
on on Apple called severance oh yeah I
think I saw a couple episodes very creepy
it's about it's about a company that shoots
you in the head with a drill your
brain and then pretty much yeah makes it
so you can you don't remember anything you
did at work because it's a spook operation
have you have you watched the new squid
game no I'm not gonna watch this there's
only so many hours in a day I'm
not watching squid anything I'm not gonna shoot
a squid gun so so forget it I'm
forgotten so this guy goes on he's he's
gonna tell you he's gonna bring these guys
on and it just goes right to the
end where when he brings these two people
on I know after listening to this intro
to these two people which I cut out
to make my ISO that I'm never gonna
watch this this show severance but here you
listen to this severance is now back for
its highly anticipated second season on Apple TV
plus and for people like me who got
obsessed with season 1 the follow-up season
has a lot of questions to answer it
goes deeper into the shadowy corporation of lumen
the life-and-death mysteries and the romances
driving the plot if you don't want the
first season spoiled or to hear even mild
hints about the second season consider this your
warning because we're about to get into it
with some of the show's breakout stars Tramiel
Tillman and Britt Lauer welcome to you both
thank you for having us thank you for
having us let me guess what your ISO
is thank you for having us thank you
for having us oh man that's just so
creepy yeah that is kind of creepy by
the way we finished diplomat the second season
yeah great you liked it yeah I really
did where was it what was it it
was published I think it's on Netflix yeah
I'm pretty sure it's on Netflix Mimi's got
something on Netflix she's watching to that she's
all raving about well not to check these
no you got it you can't just leave
us hanging like that I don't ask her
again as she says I am watching the
show you know what show you some shows
by the way it's something you I'm like
the wine guy hey I had a great
bottle of wine what was it called I
don't know it's not where's it publishes where
did it drop all right I'm not dropping
nothing it's a smell that stays with you
huh well that's kind of I think disparaging
okay how about this one then stay tuned
exclamation mark I'm so stupid about that when
I hit I think we have to go
you know why you know what it is
is people who do tech voice to text
you have to do you have to talk
like that stay tuned exclamation mark so that
those are the so the Siri picks it
up and does the exclamation mark stay tuned
exclamation mark yeah it's pretty good right yeah
that's fine JCD
and sometimes well this one actually came in
from one of our producers stepped on his
credit by the way stepped on his credit
it comes in at the end again okay
just saying and by that stepping on credits
isn't is not new to him hey I
don't have he's had his credits removed and
then put back and then he sued the
producers guild then quit the guild because he
was or you know he has your number
not mine is your number it calls and
yells yeah so this came in from one
of our producers sir Bates and he says
I heard the audible complaint on NAS 1730
here's a tip and this is good tip
by the lot of people gave me this
tip a lot of people this is a
great tip yeah I've been an audible user
since before Amazon the before the Amazon acquisition
and users can download files from your library
the downloadable use is is the a ax
extension which is not usable outside of audible
I use open audible which you can get
at open audible.com to convert from a
ax to mp3 for my iPod or other
mp3 player yep you can also connect open
audible to your audible account to download your
library directly this is why you have the
account you download the library as a bunch
of ax as you convert them directly to
your local drive and then you convert mp3s
and they can't and and then you can
put them on tour and share with you
do anything you want but this is a
workaround for that complaint you had on the
last show which is you cancel your subscription
for 10 minutes and all your audio books
were gone yeah it turns out there's a
lot of different apps that do this but
I the most frequently recommended one was indeed
open audible and I hope we're not violating
some some severe copyright issue by by promoting
this in your tip of the day well
it's getting dark what does that mean the
tips are getting darker we got ways of
violating privacy and your house that thing was
that you know people have sent me so
many extra sites that also have this yeah
there's information it's called the internet yeah but
yet the Supreme Court can oodle on forever
about tick-tock how about this is going
let's get rid of these websites first there
it is everybody John C.
Dvorak's tip of the day created by Dana
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I leave the credits in I don't know
I don't want any hassle from that guy
man he's got a cyber truck you know
could roll over me does have a cyber
truck into someone that's why he's all up
Elon's butt could go to cyber truck it's
great make sure it doesn't explode all right
don't worry Elon will catch you with his
tick chopstick zilla whatever it's called chopstick hey
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