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Unknown: This is no agenda to many your
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number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley where we're all
wondering why our cluster bombs a good idea. I'm John C. Dvorak.
Unknown: Buzzkill.
Adam Curry: This has got to be the funniest news story of the
week. Because it's not just cluster bombs. It's cluster
bombs with a very low dud rate.
John C Dvorak: Yes, that's right. Every of the dud rate
goes through the bomb cluster and make How do you test? How do
you test this? I'm asking, well, let's listen to Apple. Watch
them all up to see what the dead rate was.
Adam Curry: This is Adam Smith, a Democrat from I believe
Washington.
Unknown: I mean, in March last year, as UN Ambassador
criticized Russia for its deployment of cluster munitions
saying they had no place on the battlefield quite enough about
turn by the Biden administration. This, the
Russian cluster munitions have about a 30 to 40% death rate.
They're spreading unexploded ordnance all over Ukraine, the
weapons that we're sending have a death rate of just over 1%,
which is a dramatic difference. Yeah. And oh, yeah,
Adam Curry: foam finger number one baby, we got a dramatically
lowered dud rate of Washington as a very high dud rate,
Washington DC this, this? This is unbelievable statistic. And
why and why? Oh, Adam Smith explains again, on the BBC. Why
do we have to send the Oso loved cluster bombs with low duck rate
to Ukraine, we would much
Unknown: rather not have introduced this weapon, which is
why we didn't do it until we got to the point where it was
basically the only ammo that we have left to offer them.
Interesting. It's interesting to say that the only ammo we have
left. I mean, I mean, could it just be Could it just be that
this is a bridging operation, and at such time where the
United States is able to supply more shells to Ukraine, these
cluster munitions will not be necessary? Yes, thank
you. And actually, I put that poorly. They corrected me
properly. And I appreciate that. We are in a gap. We don't have
they still have other ammunition. At the current pace
of battle, they will have to begin to severely restrict its
use and eventually run out if these weapons aren't used. And
the other thing that we are doing all of our allies, the 53
nations that are working together on this are ramping up
production of other ordinates. And yes, that would be the plan
to get back to that. And the bigger plan would be to force
Russia to the peace table so we can end the war entirely.
bomb them, bomb them and bomb them again.
Adam Curry: Yeah, baby. Oh, it's a way to force
John C Dvorak: force rushing rushing to the peace table. You
gotta forces Alinsky to the peace table.
Adam Curry: I mean, these things, all we've ever heard is
how horrible people are used these things.
John C Dvorak: This somebody must have a clip of Jen Psaki
when she was the Press Secretary saying that cost that according
to the president cluster bombs are a war crime. Oh, wow. I
Adam Curry: wish
John C Dvorak: I don't think we have it. Well reasonably run
that clip.
Adam Curry: What do I have McCain here for some reason.
What's this McCain clip what is this from? This is from 2015.
Let's have a little listen.
Unknown: Again. This week. We've seen the skies over Donetsk.
It's suspected that it could be incendiary munitions, which
international conventions banned from use in civilian populated
areas. I think July they were reportedly dropped from cities
controlled by anti government forces. Well, international
observers have previously called the Ukrainian army using
prohibited weapons. The use of cluster bombs in populated areas
was confirmed by the humans right. In October. The watchdogs
report stress that this could amount to war crimes. But for
some US politicians kyiv's use of cluster bombs he's
justifiable
we would have provided them with a weapons and he wouldn't have
had to use cluster bombs is partially our fault.
Adam Curry: It's the same thing it's a repeat to repeat
John C Dvorak: our fall by the way our fault to be would have
to give him cluster bombs if we'd give him more above
everything else because exactly what the guy from Washington
said
Adam Curry: except that was 2015 and McCain was still alive.
Yeah. Okay, let's listen to Jason budget
John C Dvorak: douche by the way getting douche bag is running
our country. All now there's an
Unknown: astute observation. First, we are security
assistance decision on Ukraine's needs on the ground, they got
needs on the ground baby. And Ukraine needs artillery to
sustain its offensive and defensive operations. Artillery
is at the core of this conflict. Ukraine is firing 1000s of
rounds a day to defend against Russian efforts to advance and
also to support its own efforts to retake its sovereign
territory. We have provided Ukraine with a historic amount
of unitary artillery rounds,
Adam Curry: unitary artillery rounds, doesn't sound like
anything good. And we are ramping
John C Dvorak: up unitary, what he means is single, single Yeah,
not cluster. But he has to use the word unit, whatever it
Adam Curry: was unitary artillery bombs,
Unknown: and we are ramping up domestic production of these
rounds. We've already seen substantial increases in
production, but this process will continue to take time. And
it will be critical to provide Ukraine with a bridge of
supplies, while our domestic production is ramped up. We will
not leave Ukraine defenseless at any point in this conflict.
Adam Curry: So because and we shouldn't even have these
things, I guess, because you know, it's mean to kill people
in different ways. Unitary killing fine cluster killing,
not good. So they've got all these all these excuses. And the
main one is we're out of we're out of ammo, sorry. Oh, no one,
no one wants to want to attack us. Second.
Unknown: Russia has been using clustered munitions since the
start of this war to attack Ukraine. Russia has been using
cluster munitions with high dud or fairly high DoD between 30.
Here we go again, in this environment, Ukraine has been
requesting cluster munitions in order to defend its own
sovereign territory. The cluster munitions that we would provide
have done rates far below what Russia is doing, is providing
enough higher than 2.5% Oh, wait
Adam Curry: a minute, it was 1%. Now it's 2.5%. I think we have a
dud rate issue here. What is our actual dud rate? I think that
should be the topic of conversation for the entire
week. And third,
Unknown: we are closely coordinating with Ukraine, as it
has requested these munitions. Ukraine is committed to post
constant t minus a
John C Dvorak: what I'm just saying, what this whole
discussion and the depth of it is pathetic. These things should
be we're like one of the two or three countries in the world
that refuse to sign a treaty that's never used these weapons
because they're junk. They're done. They're bad for civilian
populations in the debate, right? No matter what it is, is
a bunch of does over there. People step on it. I like mines
Adam Curry: for this this man. Yeah, go ahead. And what you
were saying and
John C Dvorak: oh, I said it. Oh, did I get cut off? Yeah, I
guess so. Good.
Unknown: Ukraine is committed to post conflict, demining efforts
to mitigate any potential harm to civilians. And this will be
necessary regardless of whether the United States provides these
motions. Because of Russia's widespread use of cluster
munitions,
Adam Curry: they use cluster munitions so we can use class
70s. There's a lot of information going on about the
class of munitions. Here's CBS
Unknown: terrifying, lethal and highly effective Ukraine is no
stranger. Right. Both sides have been accused of deploying them
since Russia launched its invasion, but they did it first
with devastating effect. It's a weapon that breaks up mid air as
it approaches its target, injecting a number of smaller
explosives or bomblets bomb lettering indiscriminately
across an area that can stretch to the size of several football
fields. Most of those explosives detonate, but not all posing a
threat to the civilian population long after the war is
ending, especially children. Here in heart Kyiv investigators
have built a mountain of Russian munitions and evidence of their
evidence and billionaires evidence. These are just some of
the Russian cluster bombs that have been recovered here in the
Hartke region and this dude,
Adam Curry: are we in middle school? I mean, that's what look
I have evidence that they use the bomblets so we can use the
bomblets
Unknown: is an example of a Detonated Bomb lit which would
have been packed with explosives
Adam Curry: somehow bomb would just doesn't sound like it take
you could take your leg off or anything does it's like it's
it's a bomb omelet. It's like an omelet with
John C Dvorak: each one of them's a hand grenade basically.
Unknown: Ukraine says it needs the help in a stalled counter
offensive against entrench backing the White House
John C Dvorak: stop the clip. How about how come this isn't
being discussed more as well? I didn't hear it was a stalled
counter offensive it was stalled
Adam Curry: because they were waiting for the bomblets. The
DoD rate was too high. stalled. This is bold because they told
us it was well underway. Part of the drones was was part of the
offensive. Then the member that crazy, that crazy brigade that
also had a media event.
John C Dvorak: And although never Wagner
Adam Curry: no, no, that wasn't Wagner. It was it was.
John C Dvorak: There was some other brigade You're right asmof
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, it was yet another Isaac Asimov,
the Asimov. The asmof guys are gone. There's nothing left of
them. BOCES
Unknown: Ukraine says it needs the help in a stalled counter
offensive against entrenched Russian troops backing the White
House's argument that the use of the controversial weapons is on
Ukraine's watch.
Ukraine would not be using these munitions in some foreign land
if this is their country they're defending. These are their
citizens they're protecting. The prosecutor's
office told us trainee military will have to do all they can to
avoid their use in urban areas. Now this latest aid package $800
million brings the US total to more than $41 billion since the
invasion began
Adam Curry: now bull crap I'm sick and tired of these numbers.
I've counted over 140 billion. This is not true. Oh now it's
only 40 No, we've been giving him so much.
John C Dvorak: It's 37 it says 800 800 million a pop
Adam Curry: it's bomblets we got done right.
John C Dvorak: Now what do we have a bunch of stockpile of
these things? What are we doing with them?
Adam Curry: Well, NBC Meet the Press had a two parter Courtney
Unknown: explained to me, what about these cluster bombs make
them so controversial? And how soon can you see them in
Ukraine?
Adam Curry: Well, unlike other bombs, these kill people,
Unknown: so it's the dud rate is really the drag nations more
than 100 have actually outlawed these munitions. What that means
is, these are ammunition that when it explodes, it releases a
bunch of small little bombs or munitions, called bomb lists.
main missions one is anti armor.
Adam Curry: I'd like a truckstop bomber, please. So it's a shape
Unknown: charge that essentially can pierce an up armored
vehicle. The other is anti Pro.
Adam Curry: That's a new term an up armored vehicle not just
armored vehicle an up armored vehicle. This is some this is
some warfare talk we're getting here from NBC Meet the Press
Unknown: two main missions, one is anti armor. So it's a shape
charge that essentially can pierce an up armored vehicle.
The other is antipersonnel. That is what we often hear military
talking about frags or fragmentations. Actually, those
are the munitions that explode into even smaller pieces. Think
about that when it impacts the body. Ryan Of course it has the
potential to injure or kill anyone in its path. So these
munitions when they release these bomblets, depending on the
type of cluster munitions, some of them have a very high death
rate, meaning that the bomblets don't immediately explode. These
have the potential to to cause danger, catastrophic destruction
to someone, a civilian, even a child who may have stumbled upon
them. Oh, hello,
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a second, NBC MEET THE PRESS HOLD
THE PRESS bomblets might be bad for children's health.
Unknown: Weeks, months, even years later, that's one of the
reasons that human rights groups and many and many nations have
have said condemned the use of these sorts of in the
battlefield, I should say, the US says that the version that
they're going to send has a very low dud rate somewhere in the
neighborhood of one and a half to about two and a half percent.
What is it as opposed to some of the other ones that we've seen?
According to the US the ones that the Russians are using?
Have somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 to 40%? Oh,
yeah, Russian
Adam Curry: bombers are crap. All right. They're
John C Dvorak: the brushes don't know what the dangerous ones it
may create.
Adam Curry: Yeah, the bomblets are turning the frags gay. I
mean, this is an insane discussion they're having
they're just cavalierly discussing and weapons that are
outlawed by 100 countries. But no, it's for Ukraine. Yeah,
Unknown: according you mentioned that there are other countries
who are opposed to the use of this type of weapon. Some of
them are NATO countries. And of course, the President is going
to be with some of these NATO countries next week. Will he get
some pushback from these countries?
Adam Curry: No, no, because he has a 100% dud rate. There's no
problem
Unknown: decision. And not just NATO countries. But I mean,
we're talking about the closest US allies who are part of NATO
who are opposed to the use of these weapons. Now, the US
before they announced this today, they spoke to most of
these countries, many of them, they reached out, they gave them
a heads up that this was coming. The officials have been speaking
to here say, look, the country these these allies have said
they're against the US but they don't expect any widespread
public pushback on it. There's a real threat ignition here have
exactly what we heard from President Biden just moments ago
that Ukraine needs ammunition. These have the ability to
essentially fill a bridge while where the Ukraine right now has
a real deficit in artillery rounds particularly 155 rounds.
This will be something that they can use in that place while the
US and other nations really ramp up production of the artillery
rounds so they can keep Ukraine in the
Adam Curry: fight 155 rounds well now can you shoot the
bomblets the cluster bombs from the same 155 millimeter cannon
seems likely what do you oh wow these look these look bad these
hot these are the howitzers the 155155 That's
John C Dvorak: the one that invested before the Warriors
made a lot of money
Adam Curry: and so cluster cluster shells I wonder what the
hunt can you shoot those out of?
John C Dvorak: doesn't really say as a bomb as a shell
Adam Curry: me Okay, so you shoot it like a mortar? I don't
know what this is just it's disturbing. This is disturbing.
We are the biggest eight holes in the universe right now. Do we
not see that? I mean, we see it but and this is just bad.
John C Dvorak: I have a series of clips.
Adam Curry: Ah, is this the girl stuff?
John C Dvorak: No, no, no. Okay. No, no, girl girl. That's good.
That's good. No, no, no, what you'll get there was a Ukraine
clip.
Adam Curry: Okay, good.
John C Dvorak: This guy's name is Shaheed Bolson. Actually
Shaheed King Bolson. Don't ever read about him before I play
these clips. Because this guy is an operative for someone. I
don't know who he's an asset or something. I don't know. I can't
figure it out. Because when you listen, listen to him. He sounds
like a Middle East expert.
Adam Curry: He has a Twitter account. Who just saying
John C Dvorak: and well, let's just just listen to the first
clip and then I and I explained who this guy is this Ukraine
analysis Shahid one,
Unknown: let me talk for a moment about Poland in relation
to the US proxy war against Europe popularly known as the
Ukraine war. As I've stated since the outbreak of the war.
In my opinion, the Ukraine war is a US proxy war not against
Russia, but against Europe. It is the launch pad for a
continent wide destabilization project that will create
conflict zone conditions across Europe, it will divide the EU
against itself, it will D industrialize the continent and
turn it into another laboratory for the imposition of severe
neoliberal austerity policies that will wipe out all except
the largest private sector players and basically refute
allies Europe. Now Poland appears to have been selected by
the United States to act as their hub of operations for
implementing this program. But before I get into that, let's go
back to one of the earliest examples of this type of
project, the Dirty Wars in Central and South America in the
1980s. When I was growing up, I was always interested in the
news and current affairs and world events and so on. And the
evening news every night was dominated by stories of savagery
in places like Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala and
Argentine uncle Don wars, death squads, abductions, torture, and
all forms of brutality proliferated the entire region.
Now, all of this was orchestrated out of the American
Embassy in Honduras, under the management of then US Ambassador
John Negroponte, whom locals referred to as Mr. Death Squad.
Honduras had the largest US Embassy, they had the biggest TV
station, and the country became the staging ground for a
regional destabilization project that continued throughout the
1980s.
Adam Curry: Wow, okay. All right, hold on. I'm just gonna
give it to you upfront, because I know what's going to happen. I
can just give it to you right up front. This is dynamite. This of
course, it's so obvious. Now. This is a complete
destabilization of Europe. And we're going to squash them like
a bug like a boat on
John C Dvorak: the EU, as our friend Nuland said,
Adam Curry: oh goodness,
John C Dvorak: if we go back to that, and we listen to this
clip, and we listen to the FT EU, we start to understand what
might actually be going on.
Adam Curry: We should just know not everyone understands this
because they weren't around when we played this the first time in
2014. This is when the US was installing a new government into
Ukraine. And Victoria Nuland was caught with well was recorded it
high quality,
John C Dvorak: very high quality by the Russians obvious on a
phone
Adam Curry: call. Always she was talking to her compatriots who I
think was Was he the ambassador at the time? Not sure ambassador
and maybe but they were discussing you know who we got
to put in? Yeah Klich no clutches no good we got up that
guy and yeah we can have Biden come out here and bless the deal
He'll kiss the babies it'll all be good Biden by then we got the
Biden come in and and then it was like well you know they're
not gonna like what we're doing the EU but and then she just
said that fuck the EU and there you have it with great disdain
and yes we play that clip again. It's in there somewhere Well No,
I know of course I can find it. Newland, here we go for a little
bit until we're tired of it.
Unknown: What do you think?
I think we're in play. The Klitschko pieces, obviously the
complicated electron here, especially the announcement of
him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on
the troubles in the marriage right now. So we're trying to
get a read really fast on where he is on listen
Adam Curry: to these these terms they use. Were in play. Yeah,
like we got a little trouble here on the marriage because
they're just they're just this like shotgun wedding, we were
fusing everything together handing out cookies
Unknown: stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll
need to make, I think that's the next phone call we want to set
up is exactly the one you made to yachts. And I'm glad you
Adam Curry: said seosten yoke, who later did become prime
minister for a moment or put him on
Unknown: the spot on where he sits in this scenario. And I'm
very glad he said what he said in response.
John C Dvorak: Oh, we should also mention that Klitschko is
currently the mayor, Mayor of
Adam Curry: ukef. Key.
Unknown: Good. So I don't think we should go into the
government. I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a
good idea.
Adam Curry: So I just make it not happen. That's how that's
how democratically elected countries work. Victoria Nuland
says, I don't think he should go in and he doesn't.
Unknown: Yeah, I mean, I guess
Adam Curry: he's not agreeing by the way.
Unknown: You think in terms of him not going into the
government just let him sort of stay out and do his political
homework and stuff. I'm just thinking in terms of sort of the
process moving ahead. We want to keep the moderate Democrats
together the problem is going to be tiny book and his guys know
tiny man, you know, I'm sure that's part of what Janna COVID
is calculating on all of this.
Adam Curry: Jana COVID was, was that the guy that we're putting
in it was the guy was going out? I can't remember where he was
the guy going out I think it was
Unknown: I think yards is the guy who's got the economic
experience the governing experience. He's He's the gut
you know, what he needs is clutch and tiny book on the
outside he needs to be talking to them four times a week.
Adam Curry: Now see now actually not just putting people into
government but but arranging their agenda,
John C Dvorak: doing their calendar for the calendar, you
know, this is a Democrat report. This is the democratic demo
monetary that we're saving for democracy democracy.
Unknown: I just think cleats going in? He's gonna be at that
level, working for Yatseniuk. It's just not gonna work.
Adam Curry: Okay, what do you think John? Not gonna work? I
think just not gonna work. Political homework on the
outside? Good. What
Unknown: do you want us to try to set up a call with him? Is
the next step.
My understanding from that call, but you tell me was that the big
three? We're going into their own meeting? And that yeah, I
was gonna offer in that context. Three weeks, you know, three
plus one conversation or three plus two with you? Is that not
how you understood it? No, I
think I mean, that's what he proposed. But I think just
knowing the dynamic that's been with them where Klitschko has
been the top dog, he's gonna take a while to show up for
whatever meeting they've got. And he's probably talking to his
guys at this point. So I think you reaching out directly to him
helps with a personality management among the three and
this is
Adam Curry: literally how we used to pitch like, you know,
Gillette, all right, you talk to you talk to your guy, and I'll
talk to my guy and you work him from the back end and we'll get
the big three or maybe three plus two, we'll get him into the
meeting. We'll pitch them on with a PowerPoint and it will be
good to go
Unknown: and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this
stuff and put us behind you behind it before they all sit
down and he
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, let's move fast before they figured out
what we how we've hoodwinked them, he explains why he
doesn't. This is good to review. There's I can see there's trolls
who have never heard this recording. They have
John C Dvorak: no 2014 So it's a bit it's a bit like nine years
ago it is
Unknown: okay, I'm happy Why don't you reach out to him and
see if he wants to talk before after
Adam Curry: all right. How do we put a bow bow on this? Vicki?
How do we wrap this all up? Well,
Unknown: thanks. Okay, I've
now written Oh, one more wrinkle for you. Joe
Adam Curry: wrinkle wrinkle standby. Jeff, I got a wrinkle.
Yeah, I
Unknown: can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told
Washington this
Adam Curry: that Yeah. because you know you're not in the loop
on everything, Jeff just so you know, when I talked to
Unknown: Jeff Feltman this morning, he had a new name for
the UN guy, Robert Serry, did I read that this morning? Yeah, I
saw that. He's now gotten both salary and Bonnke moon to agree
that salary could come in Monday or Tuesday
Adam Curry: all restaurant they had Bunky moon and on the deal,
the Secretary General of the UN to bless the deal, punky Moon
will come in. They guys have dead anyway, just Whoa, they
didn't even speak English. Just let them mumble. Okay.
Unknown: So that would be great. I think to help glue this thing
and have the UN help glue it. Yeah,
Adam Curry: have the UN help glue it because that's what's
good glue, glue it
Unknown: and you know,
the EU. Yeah, exactly.
And I think we've got to do something to make it stick to
exactly.
Adam Curry: Let's just go back for a second. So she's saying,
we'll have the we'll have the UN glue it because clearly the
United European Union is like what are you guys doing in our
backyard? This is not so cool. So we're gonna have this thing
glued for the whole world and fuck you. Fuck yeah,
Unknown: we you know if I only told Washington this that when I
talked to Jeff Feltman
John C Dvorak: lightweight, which was she said, Fuck the EU?
I think she was specifically saying we're going to have the
UN do it and fucka you meaning we're bite? We're skipping them
by there. Anything that they have to say about it? Yeah, cuz
Adam Curry: the UN greater than sign EU.
Unknown: Morning. He had a new name for the UN guy, Robert.
Sorry. Did I read that this morning? Yeah, I saw that. He's
now gotten both salary and Bonnke moon to agree that salary
could come in Monday or Tuesday. Okay. So that would be great, I
think to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it.
And you know, fuck that, you
know? Exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it
stick together. Because you can be pretty sure that if it does,
if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will
Adam Curry: be working behind the scenes, it's gonna gain
altitude. Alright, bring in Biden try to torpedo it.
Unknown: And again, the fact that this is out there right
now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind, why Yana COVID
that, but in the meantime, there's a Party of Regions
faction meeting going on right now. And I'm sure there's a
lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway,
we could, we could land jelly set up on this one if we move
fast. So let me work on or they work on Klitschko and if you can
just keep I think we want to try to get somebody within
international personality to come out here and help to
midwife this saying, Oh,
Adam Curry: someone with international personality needs
to come out and midwife this thing.
Unknown: The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych,
but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things
start to fall into place.
So on that piece, Jeff, when I wrote the note solitons, come
back to me VFR saying you need Biden and I said probably
tomorrow,
Adam Curry: Jake Sullivan, by any chance anybody you saying
yeah has to be Jake Solomon. Yeah, he's got Biden. He's got
Biden. Yeah, he's got the 100% dud midwife, this
Unknown: thing and then the other. The other issue is some
kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we probably regroup on that
tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
So on that piece, Jeff, when I wrote the note solitons come
back to me VFR saying you need Biden and I said probably
tomorrow for an attaboy and to get the deeds to stick.
Adam Curry: Oh, Biden will come out for an attaboy and get the
deeds to sick. Greg, thanks, Good work, good work. No agenda
you know, agenda show has has receipts people.
John C Dvorak: You know, this is so scandalous and it was played
by it was played at zero by
Adam Curry: zero. Well, she used an expletive on a call you know,
so we can pray the extra two because she said a bad word.
It's not about that people listen to what they're doing.
What they did, they did it. Everybody's job.
John C Dvorak: You gotta give him kudos for that same
Adam Curry: people. They had lady G. They had McCain they had
who was the CIA director. Everybody was in there to do
this. And it was just part of a Brennan was there and then and
now Vicki is back. You know she's not I think she's now if
not, has been or will be the Deputy Secretary of State again.
And she's here to finish the job. And Europe You're screwed
if the EU you're screwed.
John C Dvorak: Let me read some more about this shutdown. This
is Shaheed King Bolson who's talking about Poland being the
crux of this whole thing. Glad we played and this is
interesting. He's an al Qaeda operative. Oh, well, sure. By
now first affiliated to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.
Those two don't really necessarily mix but okay.
Suspicious
Adam Curry: wasn't the Muslim Brotherhood was not Obama's
guys.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And it started 2015
multinational corporation for everyone basically goes on it
Not a he is a fine where it was born Shannon Morris in Boulder,
Colorado in 1971. He was raised as a Catholic, by his mother at
Catholic by his mother after their father abandoned the
family to pursue a screenwriting career in California. And this
guy family would later recall that even as a young man Shannon
was deeply troubled by social injustice, and the gap between
America's rich and poor that's
Adam Curry: it so his name is now Shaheed
John C Dvorak: he went from Shannon Morris to Shaheed King
Bolson.
Adam Curry: I'm calling you Johnny, and I'm sure he'd Okay,
that's that's Huda. Hello, Joe heed.
John C Dvorak: So it goes on and on and on. Robert is a bunch of
Connections is a very interesting article. If anyone
can find it, it's in the weekly blitz.net a background are on
this guy. And the guy is extremely suspicious. And he's,
he's really good at analysis. So let's go to part two of his
clip.
Unknown: When John Negroponte was appointed the US ambassador
to Iraq. Shortly after the invasion and occupation, I fully
anticipated that he would pursue the same sort of destabilization
project throughout the Middle East. Now, Negroponte had a
protege named Robert Stephen Ford, who was appointed the US
Ambassador to Syria at that time, and he immediately began
trying to foment rebellion and opposition and resistance and
recruiting militia groups until he was eventually kicked out of
the country. I think we're all aware of what happened a few
short years later, in the Arab world with the Arab Spring. And
we're all aware also, I think, of the role played by CIA backed
organizations in that Disruptive Movement. And I think we're also
all aware of the role played by the CIA, in backing armed groups
in the civil war in Syria. In fact, during the Arab Spring,
the United States tried to appoint Roberts even for it
after he'd been kicked out of Syria, they tried to appoint him
as the US ambassador to Egypt. But fortunately, his reputation
and the reputation of John Negroponte preceded them, and
popular opposition to that appointment towards the US
describe the idea. So the point here is that there is a pattern.
And once you are familiar with the pattern, you can recognize
it. And you can sort of abstractly predict the way it's
going to play out, if not specifically, well, in the
current scenario, in my opinion, Poland is Honduras, near the
beginning of the war in Ukraine, I noticed the role being played
by Poland, as a destination for refugees and as a source for
mercenaries to go and fight in Ukraine. So I decided to check
who is the US Ambassador to Poland right now? Well, the US
Ambassador to Poland right now is not Robert Stephen Ford, and
it's not John Negroponte or any of their known protegees. The
current US Ambassador to Poland is the son of one of the most
notorious policy advisors in recent US history. Zbigniew
Brzezinski, and I'm not going to make any effort to say his name
correctly. Brzezinski, who was Polish was the architect of us
support for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviet
Union. And he was a staunch and paranoid anti Russian zealot.
Adam Curry: Wait a minute it is it's Mark Brzezinski. Oh, man.
How did we miss we miss this? Do we know this?
John C Dvorak: I think we may have noticed it some time back
but I think we didn't make it in this connection. We didn't make
this connection and
Adam Curry: is he not married to or boyfriend girlfriend with
that horrible woman? Yeah, because yes, when? I know I kind
of that's kind of an open open thing there isn't it? Ah
Brzezinski No way. This is atrocious with all the all the
shields are in place. Let's Yeah, who is he? He is cement
not Samantha what's what's her name?
John C Dvorak: That Samantha Powers. Oh, no.
Adam Curry: Apple been friends with Apple bomb.
John C Dvorak: Oh, Apple bomb. Oh, Annie.
Adam Curry: Because he's divorced. He's twice divorced.
Not saying that something that doesn't happen. Is he with Apple
bomb. Okay, well, let's continue with the clips. You can do them
doing the research over here on the Apple bow
John C Dvorak: and so onward with now the question that
occurs why is this why did this, this analysis even get out
there? There's something up with that. And I haven't figured that
part out yet. And this Shaheed character, again is another
mystery, but let's go on with part three.
Unknown: Now Brzezinski felt that the disintegration of the
EU was inevitable, and that only the perception of a threat being
posed by Russia could possibly induce the Europeans to act in
unison.
I think a united Europe came into being out of fear. I I
think that entity is now on the way to a disintegration because
the fear is gone. There is a certain inevitability to that.
Now, if content starts another wave of Cold War unilateral
actions, they'll probably all come back again.
He also believe that there were several countries that had been
admitted into the EU that never should have been admitted,
namely the Eastern Bloc countries in the Baltic states.
Now I think it's safe to assume that Mark Brzezinski, the
current US Ambassador to Poland, probably shares his father's
views and he is now in charge of coordinating the destabilization
program for Europe that will see the continent split right down
the middle, with America's focus of support moving from the
Atlantic, European states and the Central European states, to
the Eastern European states, with Poland as its primary
client. Ironically, the US is using Brzezinski theory, that
the Europeans need a Russian threat in order to act in
unison. They're using that theory to coerce the European
nations to be unified in the adoption of policies that will
ultimately lead to the disintegration of Europe. Now,
no doubt the US is dangling promises in front of Poland,
telling them that they will re emerge as a major power after
four centuries of irrelevance telling them that Germany is
weakening, both naturally and by design and that Poland can
become not only the manufacturing hub, and heart of
Europe, but also with the strongest military power.
They're even hinting that Poland can become a super state,
incorporating both Lithuania and Western Ukraine into their
territory. And just FYI, the suspected St. Petersburg bomber
was born in western Ukraine.
Adam Curry: So they went to school together and Mark. Oh,
they went to St. Anthony's College in Oxford.
John C Dvorak: No, Robin, a Rhodes scholarship. No doubt.
Adam Curry: Yeah, he's the one that when when the pipeline was
blown up the Nord Stream two. Key tweeted, dear Thanks. Good
job. Remember that
John C Dvorak: I vaguely remember that was funny.
Adam Curry: These people, these people are crazy. Okay, this is
good.
John C Dvorak: There's a lot of interesting stuff. But if you
think about this, this plan this scheme, which goes back to two,
pre 2014, because you had to get this this Ukraine thing started.
If this scheme goes back, as far as it probably did, it might
have been an extra explanation for Brexit. Because Brexit,
Brexit, the British were a part of five eyes. Yeah. And they
would know that if the scheme was underfoot to bust up the the
EU and just make a mess out of it. Kind of just scramble it.
Adam Curry: Well, well, this is this you have to get out. This
is succeeding. They're succeeding with this. Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you why in a minute. But let's let's get the
final piece here. Let's get to
John C Dvorak: find out clips. And then he also goes on after
this was some more stuff, it diminishes his score, rating us
and bitching and moaning about stuff. It goes into a Muslim
rant. But this is this wraps it.
Unknown: So based on all of these promises, in my opinion,
Poland is willingly doing America's dirty work, which
after all, they've actually been doing for quite some time, as a
result of embracing their role as a destabilizing client state
of the US, Poland will likely become a police state. And this
is already happening with American soldiers running amok
in the country, and polish Police telling their citizens
that they have no right to arrest them. And the same is
likely to happen in the other Eastern Bloc and Baltic states
where America is shifting its focus, they will be tightly
controlled by American influence. And they will be
encouraged to distance themselves from the EU and to
even form their own economic insecurity bloc, which again, we
already see happening. Poland will potentially become
militarily engaged in the war in Ukraine against Russia, as well
as potentially in Bella roofs and unquestionably covert
disruption activities in both Moldova and in Georgia, and
elsewhere, will be originating from the US Embassy in Warsaw.
So this is just to give you a sort of geopolitical framework
for what's happening in Europe and Poland's role in debt in
what is a repeating pattern by the US.
Adam Curry: Okay, so, what just happened this past week in one
of the countries that is that is under attack by Brzezinski and
his band of Biden criminals is the Dutch
Unknown: government in The Hague. Crowds gathered outside
the prime minister's office at the bin and half the Netherlands
law longest serving leader resigned from his fourth term in
office because of disagreements over immigration between
coalition partners.
Adam Curry: So it's not immigration. It's literally
asylum seekers. What from war ie from Ukraine.
Unknown: Today, unfortunately, we have to conclude that those
differences are irreconcilable. That is why will immediately
offer the resignation of the entire cabinet to the king in
writing will of course also send a copy of that request for
dismissal, but the House of Representatives
since January 2022, Mark Ruta has led a coalition government
comprising four parties from the right and center. Some months
the government had been trying to find an agreement on reducing
the flow of migrants entering the country. This week, the
Prime Minister tried to push through a plan to restrict
family reunification for refugees in the Netherlands. The
plan included a cap on the number of relatives of war
refugees allowed into the country, but two of the four
party coalition were not prepared to further tighten the
policy for asylum seekers. margaritas resignation opens a
period of uncertainty for the Dutch.
Adam Curry: So the ad at hand were very interesting case, you
know, they have a coalition of four parties, two big ones, two
smaller ones, and Ruta with with the other big one. They said,
Well, you know, we really want to restrict children of war
refugees from I mean, where else could they come from, but from
Ukraine, we want to restrict them so we can't bring them in,
which sounds like a real dick move. And then, you know, the
two smaller parties went well, that's a big move. So the oh,
well, I guess we can't figure it out. So let's all resign. Here's
a better report from a Dutch guy on Instagram.
Unknown: Hi guys use this video, I said that I'm not going to
make any videos or post anything with something big has happened
in the Netherlands, the cabinets Margarita has resigned about the
problems they had about all the migrants that were supposed to
come to the Netherlands. And now they resigned says it's a big
sign people I think I was talking to my friend in the
United States. And he said that a couple of days macarons ago
and people in there and then the government of Germany will go
and then Europe will collapse. It's finished. It's finished,
keep on praying. It's all those Klaus Schwab assholes are gone
and will be put to trial for a tribunal for what they have done
to them. So to all the people in the country so say to the world,
please, forward please this this video. Margaret is cabinet of
the Netherlands has resigned this falling. It's finished.
It's gone. So he
Adam Curry: sees it or at least he sees a version of it by
saying Oh no, what I understand is McCrone will be gone which
we'll talk about I guess now and the Germans will be gone and the
whole thing's gonna fall apart and then we're gonna put we're
gonna hang up the World Economic Forum eight holes I'm not so
sure that's gonna happen but I like his spunk. So we have
France bonk. This is this is this is our doing when I say our
pitch American politicians and diplomats who have been working
this
John C Dvorak: has been going on for a while, obviously pre
COVID. Obviously pre 2014 now, huh? Now, what is the goal?
Adam Curry: verbalization. Now, what else?
John C Dvorak: That's what we do?
Adam Curry: Where the rubber lies is baby. Yeah, well, what
is the goal is complete financial dominance. The bankers
never
John C Dvorak: other banks know your banker friend said this was
a fait accompli sometime back?
Adam Curry: Yeah, you know. So in 2008 there was a war and he
said, and I just remember him saying we won. We won. We beat
the European banks. We won. And he still speaks of winning,
we're winning now. We're winning. And with that, it only
means against the European Central Bank and the European
banks in general. Obviously, the Bank of England, you know, broke
that one a long time ago. So I'm sure that you know, it was
annoying the whole European the whole euro project annoying,
annoying, annoying, annoying. And since we have the BRICS
getting together and they keep threatening a gold backed
currency they're all going to use Yeah, it's not that simple.
It's not going to work. I don't know if it'll work or not, but
it's just not that simple. It sounds good on paper. Oh, yeah,
we'll just we'll just we'll just put together currency everybody
use it, but to to crush the euro. Especially by bringing in
Fifi Lagarde, globalist. You know, she may look French she
may speak for wrench, but she's a globalist. She comes from the
IMF. We know where she's from. So now she's she's going to run
the European Central Bank into the ground. But then we just
have some irritating little people like, I think Rota, I
think it was. He was told I think he was told to to fold.
This doesn't seem like they had to collapse the government over
this issue.
John C Dvorak: No, I don't think so. He is under, he's going to
get raised
Adam Curry: under. He's under a real attack. He's in a real
attack. But you sent me that that article that I put in the
show notes or that cable, the diplomatic
John C Dvorak: was a cable that was on a wiki leaks, and it had
to be archived in Iceland, or something's quite interesting.
It's in the show notes. And it outlines and this is an old
memo. During the Clinton era of December 2010. No, it's Obama.
Okay. Yeah. Well, Clinton is what I meant Clinton. Oh,
Adam Curry: Clinton State Department. Yes. Yeah, of
course, of course.
John C Dvorak: And it outlines the methodology used to subvert
the society in, in France mainly, and I guess other
countries, and it's pretty much to implement the diversity into
integrate whatever the di e thing that Dei, whatever is
planned
Adam Curry: and going after going after youth groups with
great vigor, riling them as all kinds of crazy terms in the in
that in that cable, it's like, we're gonna organize the youth.
And we'll show those friendships. Those friendships
don't know how to do it.
John C Dvorak: It's it's designed to destabilize the
country
Adam Curry: very, very much. So
John C Dvorak: it was very, very interesting series of memos that
were picked up. You can see why. I mean, those kinds of things.
WikiLeaks is still laced with tons of cool stuff. It's been
scattered all over the world. Airline,
Adam Curry: let me read from a little bit. So this is the from
the American embassy from Ambassador Rivkin 2010. We
believe that if France over the long run does not successfully
increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation
for its minority populations, France could become a weaker,
more divided country, perhaps more crisis prone and inward
looking and consequently, a less capable ally, as is witnessed by
his cozying up to China and not participating in the in the
Ukraine Gambit. Right. And then there's, you know, this crisis
of representation in France. So, you know, the racist a holes,
strategy for France, our aims, the overarching goal of our
minority outreach strategy is to engage the French population at
all levels in order to help France to realize its own
egalitarian ideals. Again, democracy, we're doing a good
job. But our strategy has three broad target audiences in mind,
one, the majority, especially the elites, yeah, well buy them
off to minorities with a focus on their leaders. That's right.
They go into the mosques. And three, the general population,
employ the seven tactics described below, engage in
positive discourse, set a strong example launch aggressive youth
outreach, aggressive, aggressive, encourage moderate
voices, propagate best practices, best price, deepen
our understanding of the problem, integrate target and
evaluate our efforts. This is France. This is not, you know,
some, some dusty desert. There, why
John C Dvorak: are we but why we become the button skis of the
world where we're gonna go to France, historically, highly
cultured country and tell and then manipulate them to get what
we want. I mean, I think it's, I guess it's our job to manipulate
everybody to get what we want. But it's subversive. And if we
have to admit to it, I'm getting caught left and right. That memo
should have never been we shouldn't be reading that memo
on our show a and b, we shouldn't have ever had that
Victoria Nuland call and the fact that all this stuff is
pretty much out in the open and is not being picked up by the
mainstream media is disgusting. Well, that's why
Adam Curry: we're that's why we are the best we have cast in the
US. We is if you know, you know exactly. No, you know, you know,
hey, so with the Netherlands, you know, so you have a
decommissioned cabinet. So they stay on and they just kind of
keep the seats warm and they'll have elections in the fall. Now
what's going to happen in the fall, what's going to happen
before they even get their elections going, which will be
November I guess, in October, this is when Fifi has promised
us the digital Euro. I mean, I may be getting ahead of myself
here. But yeah who knows? Who knows? I got a clip we got to do
something.
John C Dvorak: On what you This is an ask Adam.
Adam Curry: Oh goodness,
John C Dvorak: this is the head of a Estonia the female leader.
I think she's the prime minister the president. And this is an
acid she's gonna be talking about somebody I want you to
tell me what she's talking about.
Unknown: Okay there fellas I'm really sorry not to be able to
be there with you in person.
Adam Curry: What is the first name? She said? Dear What she
said Dear fellas, are there fellows
Unknown: there fellas? I'm really sorry not to be able to
be there with you in person for the first ever NATO Summit in
Vilnius. But I will be following in your footsteps in a few days
when NATO leaders meet as a proud honry fella. I want to
send my greetings to you and I wish you the most base NATO
Summit possible. As I've said before the aggressor must be
defeated she say most
Adam Curry: based NATO Summit.
John C Dvorak: No, she said most based NATO Summit.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, that's that's so some countries say
Navo other say NATO but she said baby Oh, no. What No. Yes. No,
in Holland, it's Navo
John C Dvorak: na fo is a completely different
organization. Look it up and when the Wikipedia after you
listen to the rest of the clip,
Unknown: the proud 100 fella, I want to send my greetings to
you. And I wish you the most bass NATO Summit possible. As
I've said before, the aggressor must be defeated on the
battlefield. But Russia is also waging a war against our
democracies, and energy war, cyber war and information war.
Democracies need to take steps to defend themselves in all
these areas, as well as holding the line to defend the world
where rules still apply, and where technology works for not
against democratic societies. You are all a living example of
this fighting Russian disinformation and bad takes
with good humor, intelligence and enthusiasm. Behind every
fellow is a real person. You are volunteering your time and
energy because you believe in Ukraine's victory. I thank you
for all your support to Ukraine, as well as the Baltic Sea region
and Estonia. And thank you for all your support to me
personally, it really, really warms my heart. So what more to
say then keep fighting the good fight? Because NATO expansion is
non negotiable,
as was as we know. Oh, really? Well, I don't know. We go.
Adam Curry: All right. I know what this is. Because she used
all the words. This isn't a foe. You're right. And I fo North
Atlantic fella organization.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And she's a fellow. She's
Adam Curry: a fella. That's right. And they combat
disinformation.
John C Dvorak: They use the same logo as NATO. Yep. It's only
just started in 2020. This is a joke. This is some millennials
that were in government that came up with this idiocy,
they're even good. All these morons and she's one of them.
They're using the shiba inu dog and they use that stupid dog to
dose dog the dose dog as as their logo this is wrong, which
is also a pedophile will sign that according to some people on
the no agenda social anyway. The whole thing is wrong. Is Wrong
fella fella.
Adam Curry: Well, she said when she said based I knew something
was up. I don't care what you say, well, you're using base as
a politician. You're not a politician. I don't know who she
is. But
John C Dvorak: she's the head. She's the honcho of Estonia,
which is a stooge country for us. What is she very high tech.
Adam Curry: What is she doing wasting her time at the NATO
John C Dvorak: Bush she didn't go to us she just gave a video a
basic video. She's bad. So she gave a video on this. She's
gonna go to the actual NATO conference in a couple of days.
This is so great. It's unbelievably stupid.
Adam Curry: She's well now
John C Dvorak: top that,
Adam Curry: uh, well, the I can't really top it with only
one other piece of Dutch news, which is the winner of Miss Miss
Netherlands 2023. Announced on Saturday night in a televised
you know this will be part of the Miss Universe competition.
And it is Ricky Calais. A dude I told you I could top it as seven
foot tall dude one
John C Dvorak: seven foot tall. Yes. Big dude very
Adam Curry: tall dude very tall. And I do not believe this is a a
completely transition person. I believe it is a transvestite.
I'm not 100% Sure, I don't really care. But now is this
Ricky is a combo a Dutch? molucca and malaco You haven't
heard muckers in a long time?
John C Dvorak: I haven't heard idaite Are you remember that?
Well, the molucca is
Adam Curry: are the ones who were hijacking the trains in the
70s in Holland, do you remember that? Oh, I
John C Dvorak: don't remember any of that, because they were
all pissed off. This
Adam Curry: is part of the DEI agenda in the Netherlands,
because, you know, everyone's vying for money now, now that
the king has said, you know, we're a bunch of racists, and we
ship the slaves go us, and now they got museums and all kinds
of stuff, you know, oh, well, now we're a bunch
John C Dvorak: of racist so we're gonna make up for it by
naming this guy, Miss Netherlands. That's pretty much
gonna help. Yes and help our cause.
Adam Curry: How do you feel? That's reparations? There you
go. That's what it is. Here's our reparations take that
muckers?
Unknown: Man oh man. Oh
Adam Curry: man. Oh, man. Oh man. Oh man, and not that
attractive with a huge Overbite can scrape flies off the wall.
I'm sorry. I mean, I just got to be a television producer here
for a moment the profile is not a good look. Look it up.
John C Dvorak: by Neil really want you to
Adam Curry: know you need to see overbite, okay. Miss Netherlands
just look at you have
John C Dvorak: to get hold on. I gotta get a browser up and I'm
going nuts. You mentioned it. I just don't.
Adam Curry: You don't even have you're doing you'd been doing
the show for almost an hour and you haven't don't even have a
browser up. I don't know what kind of podcasts or are you?
John C Dvorak: I know. It makes no sense. You're still in your
pajamas yet about pi cash and you have a browser running
constantly. Look I gotta do to get ISS Palumbo, Netherlands.
What? Oh, I see what happened. What are you
Adam Curry: doing? It's Ricky Valerie. Colet. Oh wow. Ricky ri
K K i e of course makes nothing but sense. R I K admis.
Netherlands. Come on. Oh, there
John C Dvorak: she is. Don't say she will if I just saw a picture
the way that when that showed up. I would say that's a she
Adam Curry: No, but now look at the profile. Look at look at
that overbuying. I've put a lot of money into my mouth now so I
feel I have some standing. Get your face fixed.
John C Dvorak: She is extremely tall. And again I say she
because I have no evidence. Very and I don't have any profile.
Okay. She's She looks very Hispanic moniker Hispanic. No.
Now there's no there's a picture with orange lipstick.
Adam Curry: Anyway, I knew I could top it I knew I could top
it
John C Dvorak: is definitely different. I want to before we
leave the your analysis completely behind I want to do
one quick three parter on Russian. The COO
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Now before you even start, did you see that
they now have pictures of hot dog boys? Penthouse
John C Dvorak: No, I don't know anything about hot dog boys
penthouse.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, so they got pictures of his penthouse or
his mansion or whatever. And he's got like all kinds of wigs
and disguises and weird things and he's got Illuminati
checkered floors. I mean, this guy is into some weird stuff.
And there's paint and now they're posting pictures of him
and all these different get ups and all these different
disguises which are I mean, it hilariously bad. With like,
really bad wigs. The whole thing is bizarre.
John C Dvorak: It doesn't even seem like he's ready running
anything. Here,
Adam Curry: a peek into Pergo Z's bizarre pad. Among the
findings were millions in cash and gold bars a disguised
collection, a giant sledge hammer, and a cache of guns and
ammo. Well, you could find guns and ammo mine was a sledge
hammer Yeah, that's the one that he was bashing people's head
that he mesh in your heads with your this guy he doesn't even
exist. This this guy is an entirely made up fictional
character I'm convinced of it now.
John C Dvorak: Well, could be is just as good as any Additional I
was listening so I wanted to get the clip somebody sent me the
link and I put it off from the last show I wanted to get the
clips of Kennedy on on the media
Adam Curry: oh I haven't heard that one yet. I've been the
media has been the K is what they're calling him Now Bobby
The K Bobby the
John C Dvorak: K's on on the media and they do a takedown of
course is very slanted they use loaded languages it's I think
might from my perspective they're being sincere but
they're being dishonest but they don't know it. So they got but
in the process before they get to Kennedy they do they bring
some guy on some experts uh, you know, they always have some
expert on the media and they bring him on and he's he talks
about the about the coup and it was some kind of me I don't know
if it's inside or just a different approach but I thought
it was interesting enough I get some clips okay. And here we go
with the coup. Some background are on the cool
Adam Curry: on the media is an NPR product on the media
John C Dvorak: is a right it's an NPR thing with his Brooke
Gladstone who's being substituted hosted by some New
York Times column this girl girl girl and it's a very it's
supposed to be media Deaconess. Once we will redo it's supposed
to be decongesting. Yes, sure. It's supposed to be
deconstructed, but all it does is it just looks for anything
that's a little right wing and then it gets condemned
Unknown: in the last day or so has seen an extraordinary turn
of events in Russia.
A week ago, the world watched his Russian President Vladimir
Putin's favorite fixer made a power play in the Russian
city of Rostov. Armed men
and armor on the streets understanding if any precaution
He is calling for an armed rebellion
precaution announced his army 10s of 1000s Straw Wood River
Adam Curry: they're doing super cuts now. Is that what they're
doing to the
John C Dvorak: really former cut as a president preludes? Yeah,
it's kind of like their way of leading in
Unknown: rebellion pretty Goshen announced his army 10s of 1000s
Straw would reverse course backing out of Ukraine, marching
directly on Moscow,
Russian state TV through a lot of commercial breaks as the rest
of the world tried to figure out what was going on. What's the
latest that we have confirmed so there is very little confirmed
an
utterly baffling turn of events here as a rebellion that wasn't
in Russia or wasn't a rebellion.
But then as quickly as the rebellion flared, it fizzled.
The leader of the Wagner group you can see progression, has
ordered his mercenaries to turn around and returned to their
bases to avoid bloodshed. He said
Vladimir Putin began the day angrily denouncing an armed
insurrection as terrorist methods and now appears to have
struck a deal with precaution. The
Kremlin says it's dropped charges and Prigogine will go to
Belarus, while promising his fighters contracts with the
Russian military.
It was not a coup because Goshen made his intention clear
repeatedly. He was not trying to overthrow the government he was
not trying to seize power from Putin
Nani Hall thing is the author of seizing power the strategic
logic of military coups back in 2016. He helped on the media
create a breaking news consumers handbook military coup edition
after a failed attempt by the military to seize power in
Turkey. He says what happened in Russia last week was less a coup
than a mutiny
Adam Curry: Oh yeah,
John C Dvorak: they got it where it comes from from everywhere
yeah, we were talking over and over and over again about what
is what is he talking about Muni, Muni, Muni. Muni? It comes
from this show and that right there
Adam Curry: so you share there the orange the originator pretty
sure
John C Dvorak: Yeah, cuz this is not brand new. And it just all
seems to stem from this guy
Adam Curry: helped me understand one thing. Now if you and I were
producing on the media, and you know, we've produced a lot of
stuff in our time. First of all, make this girl spin around make
sure she's okay for the role.
John C Dvorak: A patent make curry.com I'm just doing
Adam Curry: television producer stuff, but it's radio. We would
never
John C Dvorak: I wish the spinning around for radio.
Adam Curry: We would never choose this guitar music. What's
up with the Spanish guitar? Why? I mean, it's royalty free. I get
it but want to have
John C Dvorak: an A gillows What I have played? Okay.
Adam Curry: Sure. Carry to vorak for all your podcasts. Okay, so,
John C Dvorak: so, so this, this mutiny thing comes from this
guy. Now while you're listening to this guy explain what a coup
is and what a coup isn't because there's I guess there's a bunch
of the he's the he's the guy. I want you to also be thinking
into at least in the back your head everyone out there should
be thinking about January 6, though as a cool, suppose a coup
and you If you listen to these guys, and you listen to what
they say about this, and then you think about January 6,
January 6 was not even it was not an insurrection. It wasn't a
coup. It wasn't a mutiny. It was a lousy re was a poorly planned
event.
Adam Curry: What No, hold on a second. It was a it was a jacked
up crowd that was jacked up because there was about to be a
vote taken inside. Inside the capitol that could actually have
stopped the certification of the vote, let's just call it what it
really was. That's why they let everybody in, oh, people are
coming in. We can't do we can't take this vote. That's what it
was. Okay, so it's kind of like a mutiny, really.
John C Dvorak: But it wasn't really like a mutiny at all. But
let's listen. Now we get to more parts of this. And you can kind
of share this site. They're really looking for something
here. And it's I don't know what anyone is looking for. But it's
kind of interesting.
Unknown: So there were some distinctions. Most mutinies are
from the bottom, which is to say, if your average Russian
construct was to rise up against the war, or against their
conditions of service, that would be a lot more typical.
However, this is not something which is unique, what Prigogine
did. In fact, there are other examples like in Ecuador, or in
Argentina, where you have generals or people who are in
command of significant military forces, who will mountain armed
rebellion, who use that force to attain a political objective.
It's just that in this case, that political objective stops
just shy of the removal of the president.
When you spoke to otium. In 2016, it was about a coup
attempt in Turkey. You said then that coos are about making the
outcome seem inevitable, and putting out the message that
they've already succeeded in overthrowing the people in power
to precaution do that, no production
did not. And it's one of the ways in which he avoids being
accused of mounting a coup. He never says My intention is to
take over, he never says I've already succeeded in taking
over. In fact, his first target is rust off rather than Moscow.
John C Dvorak: So this all seems like it's from the CIA playbook.
His discussion of you know, just saying I took
Adam Curry: thing, I don't get the coup ribbon, unless it's an
actual coup. So I know what a coup is, okay. And you need to
have an army leader you need to have someone taking over has to
be a political takeover, which, of course, January 6 was not
that was what that was, was worse than 911. That was worse
than the Civil War. But it was not the worst, everything was
not a coup. It was not it
John C Dvorak: was poorly done. That's why. Okay, so we'll
finish this guy off.
Unknown: And he says he intends to go in and remove the top
people at the Ministry of Defense, he doesn't say I've
already succeeded in doing so. However, he does do half of it.
If you're going to create a narrative that your seizure of
power is a fait accompli, that your success is inevitable. The
first half of doing that is that you have to demonstrate that the
state is no longer in control. And that's the part that
precaution does do you warn
that in the case of a coup or a mutiny, each side is battling to
seize the narrative. What are the competing narratives here?
Adam Curry: Wow, fire her this is horrible. What are they? I
mean, is she Do you think she's reading right in front of them?
Where their head down just like just reading off the paper? Or
is this inserted later? Sounds like?
John C Dvorak: That's a good question. Because you can't tell
it's so poorly done. Sounds inserted later
Unknown: me. Each side is battling to seize the narrative.
What are the competing narratives here?
You're seeing a
Adam Curry: lot more notes inserted later.
John C Dvorak: I think so.
Unknown: Yeah. Battling disease, the narrative. What are the
competing narratives here?
You're seeing a lot more narrative creation now that
things are over always
John C Dvorak: top again over another is just for people who
care about this kind of broadcasting crap. The other
thing is, is that generally speaking on this show and some
of the other shows, they're doing it over a satellite link
and there's always a delay that they never cut out. Really, they
always leave a look do it that I'm when I'm doing these clips.
I'm cutting stuff out constantly. The lag but helped
me understand
Adam Curry: how is it that NPR with all their resources and
Neumann mics and beautifully soundproof rooms, to have to
still resort to interviews over the satellite with a delay?
We're using a $20 clean feed account and it's fine.
John C Dvorak: I've always wondered about some of these
some of these delays and Fox has them two boxes, the worst is La
got the money and just wasting cash box delays on their on
their satellite feed? Are 234 Second ridic
Adam Curry: not his video. So they're adding that but it's
ridiculous. That's a ridiculous
Unknown: control. And that's the part that precaution does do.
You warned that in the case of a coup or a mutiny, each side is
battling to seize the narrative. What are the competing
narratives here?
You're seeing a lot more narrative creation now that
things are over promotion wants to make it seem as if he could
have succeeded. Putin is trying to make it seem that provisions
activities were highly threatening to the state, but he
was in control all along, and that he's still in control. Both
sides want to create an impression to create an
understanding of what occurred because of the consequences for
their existing position. If Prigogine can make it seem like
he came very close to succeeding it'll make it a little bit
harder for people to assassinate him because of the assassinate
him. Maybe his troops will rise up and maybe they'll overthrow
the government.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but no, so
Unknown: this was as far fetched
Adam Curry: total CIA guys. This is nuts about narrative
creation. This is exactly what they're trying to do. You think
it's far fetched? No, I
John C Dvorak: think is forfeit his thesis at the end is far
fetched, which is that oh, precaution only did this so he
won't get assassinated. That is the logic of eyes bull.
Adam Curry: This guy. This guy is a ghost.
John C Dvorak: Well, I think I think I think this writers is
working for somebody. Yes, it's connected. I think you're right.
Adam Curry: I mean, he knows he knows how it works. Speaking of
narrative creation, very surprising. And I have not seen
this movie yet. Sound of freedom. I think I talked about
it on the last show with Mel Gibson promoted sound of
freedom. And this is a true story. It's based on a true
story of a guy who went and he made it his job to go and find
children who had been abducted. Now, I again, it's in theaters
so I haven't seen it yet. But it was outpacing everything this
weekend in the box office, including Indiana Jones, which
is a multi 100 million dollar production. And, and this shall
not stand. And all of a sudden, this has become a Q anon movie
for some reason. And even Rolling Stone. Yeah. Okay, so
the guys who produce this are this and this is partially
crowdfunded. It's Angel studios from from Dallas. This is the
guy that did the year guys that yes, you're the Jesus
revolution. He did the the chosen very successful Christian
series. And so, you know, they produce this on a low budget.
People start loving it. I think this is the second weekend that
it's out. And all of a sudden, oh, no, this is q1 on the Get
Jim coversyl. The guy who started and he's q1 on, he's all
Q anon conspiracy theory. None of its true. I mean, just
listen, listen to how Rollingstone treats this movie.
Sounds of freedom is a superhero movie for dads with brain worms.
Okay, now that's funny, but the Q anon tinged thriller about
child trafficking is designed to appeal to the conscience of a
conspiracy addled Boomer.
John C Dvorak: Wow, I liked that phrase it conspiracy addled
Boomer. dynamize too long. But whoever put that one together
gets a gets a couple of candy, some suckers.
Adam Curry: So, based on a true story, the familiar words had
appeared on the screen and an elderly man had taken upon
Himself to read them aloud to the rest of the sizable audience
seated for a matinee showing of the anti child trafficking
thriller sound of freedom, starring Jim Kevin Ezel thing as
I pronounce it. For the season movie goer. This phrase is a
joke. We know that cinema will stretch almost any truth to the
breaking point, and the rank insincerity of such a
pronouncement is the foundation of the prankish opening titles
of Fargo. So this guy he played, this is best that coversyl Best
known for being tortured to death and Mel Gibson's The
Passion of the Christ. You mean he played Jesus? Is that is that
John C Dvorak: he? Covey, Kevin? Covey, I don't know how you
pronounce it. But he kept he was the guy was in persons that
person have a hint interest, which was a long running TV
thriller show. It was quite good. And he's been in a lot of
stuff and he's Yes, he did play the Christ in that.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, he played the guy best known for
being tortured. If not all yeah not Jesus no
John C Dvorak: no Jesus no no it's not Jesus some guy just
some random torture
Adam Curry: dude some dude you got tortured exactly
John C Dvorak: as funny and catch Ballard himself heaven
forbid we use the word Jesus Christ in our publication oh
this dedicated atheists
Adam Curry: sound of freedom lives up to its anticipation
it's a stomach turning experience fetishize the toward
fetishizing, the torture of its child victims and lingering over
lush play alludes to their sexual abuse. It sounds to me
just reading this and seeing like Guardian articles with a
very similar bent. Here Washington Post. I read this for
a second when Washington Post the low budget film about side
channels
John C Dvorak: like that, yeah. Fascist the other word they
could use
Adam Curry: as the low budget film about child sex trafficking
almost topped the box office on July 4, but at Star Jim cabezo
has linked it to the q&a and movement. Well,
John C Dvorak: I have a clip. I have a clip too, but
Adam Curry: I'd love to hear yours first.
John C Dvorak: Boy, you're gonna have to use your search engine
because from a couple of shows ago, okay, it's the Audrina
chrome clip with Jacob Feasel on Steve Bannon show
Unknown: for labor for slave labor, or is
it Adrenochrome? The whole Adrenochrome empire that this is
a big deal that it is under listed under the NIH. It is is a
chemical compound. It's a molecular structure is a C nine
H nine no three. It is it's an elite drug that they've used for
many years. It's 10 times more potent than heroin and it has
some mystical qualities as far as making you look younger.
There's
there's a scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas that
nobody could figure
out. I saw that and why did why does Ms. 13 have most advanced
guns? You know, why do we sit alone gangs have all How come
110,000 people died? Or disappeared in Mexico City?
Where did they go and their start pulling people out of body
bags now? You know how this is just insane with our military,
our Special Forces and we don't take care of this.
You can't just have that demand unless somehow that's organized
also
100% I believe. Okay, so the agents that I've spoken to,
alright, here's here's the s for a barrel of oil $77 for a barrel
of body parts and what's going to be Adrenochrome all the
plumes that are in the woman's mother's wombs. That goes from a
plastic barrel and that's 77,000 that that gets sent into these
barrel biolabs barrel oil
$77.70 $7,000 for Ukrainians have Russian bloodline and
everything and then I started looking at that. And then I
started looking up this Azov battalion stuff the Nazis
Adam Curry: so in this Washington Post, that's a good
clip. By the way. In this Washington Post article here
comes he is focused on one Q anon belief in particular while
promoting sound of freedom. The idea that child traffickers
drain children's blood to harvest a life giving substance
called Adrenochrome. Speaking to a Q anon affiliated conference
in an Oklahoma in 2021, the actor said Ballard wanted to
join him, but he's down there saving does the guy the real
guy, but he's down there saving children as we speak, because
they're pulling kids out of the darkest recesses of hell right
now in all kinds of places. The adrenal chroming of children.
THE MODERATOR asked them to elaborate. If a child knows he's
going to die, his body will secrete this adrenaline
adrenaline cabezo said, his voice catching these people do
that do it. There'll be no mercy for them. This is one of the
best films I've done in my ever in my life. This film is an
Academy Award Level. In reality this is back to Washington Post
Adrenochrome is a relatively mundane chemical compound
created by oxidizing adrenaline. Though the author Hunter S
Thompson portrayed it as a kind of super drug popular with
pedophiles in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas John you're the
chemical engineer you're the chemist I mean this Audrina
chrome
John C Dvorak: you can look it up in Wikipedia Audrina Chrome
is there. Yes. I have no idea. Well, it's I think it's toxic. I
have no idea. I don't know what, what anything about it. I think
a lot of this is I mean, Hunter was a very creative person. I've
met him a few times, talk to him on the phone, Thompson and
really Yeah, I had lunch with him once with Hurst.
Adam Curry: Now, did you have a nice cup of Adrenochrome with
Hunter? No, I
John C Dvorak: hate drinks. It was interesting. He drank for
lunch. He had a tall tumbler with no ice of Chivas. Oh, wow.
A nice lunch drink. And he always seemed us us at the
salmon or parties. He went to a couple of the Christmas party.
And he always had these girls around him. He seemed which now
there's some evidence that one of them was a dude his handler
Oh, but he always seemed kind of dinghy. So so I don't know. I
think he made it up. But
Adam Curry: the thing is, I'm not so sure that the
Adrenochrome was even mentioned in the movie. No, I don't think
it is. I can't wait to see it now. I don't think and by the
way, it doesn't matter. Someone a troll points out quite
correctly. If people think it's it gives them super power,
though. They'll want it anyway. Yes, there's there's all I know
is for for the mainstream media to discredit this movie basic
based upon this, I think is disingenuous that probably
covering for the studio, that's probably the biggest problem is
the whoever did Indiana Jones is losing their shirt. You know,
that's not they are up and that's not supposed to happen.
No. And you cannot deny that there's a lot of child
trafficking and pedophilia
John C Dvorak: is one of missing children, the number of missing
children in the country is outrageous. So here's 85,000 A
year something or more.
Adam Curry: So here's CNN speaking. So that's a pull it
all to Q anon which Q anon what I remember q1 was, was a was Q.
Q was was posting pictures of like him dropping truths, et
cetera, during bombs, truth bombs, and no truths. And, you
know, and where we go, one we go all and, you know, whatever. But
this discrediting of this movie, which is clearly about child
abduction, and the child trafficking, which is real,
that's real. Why are they covering it up in such a drastic
manner? And here's CNN just for an example of it
Unknown: seem pretty familiar with him because he doesn't
really hide his association with this real wild plot that that
involves, you know, drinking the blood of children and things
like that.
No, he doesn't hide it at all. And you have a lot of people who
are in this world of Q anon who say, Oh, they don't know what
that is. I've never heard of it. They're just asking questions
with somebody like Jim Gisele, he is openly embracing it. He's
openly using its catchphrases and its concepts. He's speaking
at Q anon conventions, and this film is being marketed to either
specific Q anon believers or to people who believe all of the
same tenets as Q Anon, but claimed they don't know what it
is.
And the sound of freedom does focus on a real issue of sex
trafficking. But that theme, it's sort of like that kernel of
truth that feeds the Q anon conspiracy theory, tell us how
those two things work. So the kernel
Adam Curry: of ohana the kernel of truth, that children are
traffic, that's the kernel that feeds the Q anon conspiracy,
therefore that movie is no good. The
Unknown: Freedom does focus on a real issue of sex trafficking.
But that theme, it's sort of like that kernel of truth that
feeds the Q anon conspiracy theory, and tell us how those
two things work together.
Sure, and the most durable and the most believable conspiracy
theories are not entirely false. There's something in them that
is true, and the rest of it is false. But the believers point
to the one true thing and they say, Oh, you don't believe that
this particular thing is true. In terms of child trafficking.
We know trafficking is real. We know it has real victims, no one
is denying that. But these films are created out of moral panics.
They're created out of bogus statistics. They're created out
of fear. And it was something like sound of freedom. It
specifically is looking at q&a on concepts of these child
trafficking rings that are run by the high level elites. And
only people like Tim Ballard, and only people like Jim
Caviezel, and by extension, only people like the ticket buyer can
help bring these trafficking rings down. So there's a very
participatory elements. You're not just going to see a movie
you're just killing two hours on a hot day, you are helping bring
down these these pedophile rings and save children. Now it's not
true, but it's a very comforting and it's very warm feeling to
have.
Adam Curry: Wow, way to bring it first of all, this movie is
going to be one of the biggest box offices of all times
John C Dvorak: now. Yeah, with that kind of promotion. And so
how now I was not interested in this movie. And now I want to
see
Adam Curry: Yes. And how is it that this is a problem this this
movie about child trafficking is a problem. Um, but this is okay.
Unknown: I've always wanted to be able to lactate. And today,
my doctor after my EKG results, said that she's feeling
competent enough to start me on this medication regularly. And
it has serious side effects. But I'm only going to be taking it
for two weeks up to three weeks possible.
Adam Curry: Now by the way, tell me this is a Matthew
McConaughey.
Unknown: So within two weeks, I should be lactating. The rest is
on me. I'm going to have a supply Neuchtel little this is
the tough part. I have one pump I need to and the matter of
lactase, the amount of pumping that I have to do to lactate is
gonna require a better one. But I got I mean, I have electric
pump, but I need the two ago. And I need them where they're
more compact. And I'm gonna start a GoFundMe. So this
Adam Curry: is it. So crowdfund a movie about child trafficking.
You are Q anon This is no good. You got brain worms. But
crowdfund for your for the dude to lactate right on. This is
Murca baby. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: it was disgusting. I had that clip to
Of course you did is the second part of this where he showed
where I didn't clip it because I was actually gross.
Adam Curry: I go ahead and say it.
John C Dvorak: He's actually lactating and he shows this.
This milk in a jar he shakes it is like it's enough to make it
throw up. And he's so proud of himself.
Adam Curry: And he says he can't wait to give babies trans milk.
That was the punchline. You forgot that part.
John C Dvorak: Yes. Yeah. He went on and on. It was really
gross. That guys, and the guys is getting bald. Heads, shaved
head gauged ears, so it's big holes in his ear lobes. And a
nose ring and a piercing in his chin. It's just a grotesque
person. Yes.
Adam Curry: But that's all good. That's all good. Should give
that guy a go. primetime show. Well, thank God, there's a
movement here. I'm very, very happy that this is happening is
this is this is so. So odd. You know, it's like you're
overstepping your bounds people your underwear showing the the
vigor that they're going after this movie can only be for one
of two things. One, the money that is being lost, which is
likely loss on this huge on these huge productions. You
know, Oppenheimer was supposed to be the big Fourth of July.
John C Dvorak: That's a toy. That's a total No, no, I don't
even want to see. I know. We've heard so much. We know so much
about Oppenheimer. Why are we getting this movie? It's like,
so it's old news.
Adam Curry: The only thing I could think about that is
because it's about you know, the atom bomb. And I was listening
to Bobby The que en Lex Friedman, which I was very
interested in because I know Lex Friedman would you know, abhor
him and and the K is talking about the duck and cover days
during the you know, the 12 days of the missing the Cuban Missile
Crisis, and that his dead
John C Dvorak: duck and cover days was went throughout the 50s
Yes, but
Adam Curry: during that time, they were doing duck and cover
in school and his dad, Robbie, Robbie, the K had had said, I
don't want you doing that. Because I don't want anyone to
see that. You're You're ducking and covering you're going into
the basement you're going into the shelter. He says because the
whole duck and cover thing is a psychological operation on the
American people to accept the whole notion of nuclear warfare.
which I had never heard anyone admit before. And so the
opposite
John C Dvorak: is interesting. I would duck and cover anyway
because everyone else is so I
Adam Curry: think I think that dog barking that's a dog barking
Yes. She smells Adrenochrome like and with that I'd like to
thank you for your currency in the morning to you the man who
put the sea in the COO and the Audrina chrome ladies and
gentlemen say hello to my friend on the other hand, the one and
only Mr. John Cena
John C Dvorak: well in the morning you have Australian
Korean warships see boots and Rafi near subs to water and all
the names and nights out there.
Adam Curry: And in the mornings, the trolls and the troll room
was like hey
that's okay feeds It's okay. It's okay girl.
John C Dvorak: I like this Alan is great. She's got a big voice
Adam Curry: on her. We have 2409 Trolls with us today. I think is
pretty good. I
Unknown: Phoebe is pretty normal Phoebe quiet.
Adam Curry: She listens to me I have control. Is that normal?
It's good furs. It's normal for Sunday, we're
John C Dvorak: on par with a high net low.
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room and they hang out there live on the on show days
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John C Dvorak: you know, also Paul couture should be given
some kudos for changing the layout of this page. Yes,
Adam Curry: he's done it now. Thank you. I noticed that too.
He's done it now. By ease. He's given us
John C Dvorak: by show number. Yeah, show number was easier for
us to figure out what shows us.
Adam Curry: What are we looking at? Excuse me.
John C Dvorak: So yes, the Biden Harris thing, which was the
first thing I mean, it was just it jumped off. There's a lot of
good stuff here, which is always got to be annoying to the
artists when they do good work. And there's a lot of good work
in this one. There's about five pieces that are usable,
stunning. A lot of them I like stunning pieces really? And
Adam Curry: well. Let's see. So we had the Biden Harris, which
was the razor blade, although, you know, I got Christina and
Kevin here. So that's a great piece of art, but dad just so
you know, nobody uses a razor blade anymore. Because you call
me out as a fuddy duddy
John C Dvorak: you're a fuddy duddy. fuddy duddy Did you ask
them what they use instead of a razor blade?
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course they just do Molly to swing on. You
should
John C Dvorak: have called the cops.
Adam Curry: We don't do coke. We just do Molly. There were some
other good pieces. A lot of banana peels which were
appealing, but didn't quite cut it ghost guns was cute. I
personally thought the Kenny Ben Taunton. Neil was very funny.
That's a Dutch joke.
John C Dvorak: Well, I liked the comic strip. lagers,
Fredericksburg, we have gays. We've got lots of gays.
Adam Curry: It was a little too small but I liked it too. I
thought it was funny. And that is the Fredericksburg sign.
John C Dvorak: Yeah the Frederick
Adam Curry: we got lots of gays we're a gay friendly town. So
you know it hunters Oreo cute because they're more addictive
than codec by
John C Dvorak: the way. I will say this about them. We have
gays we have lots of gays. Yeah. Contrast helps. Yeah, yes. I
agree. React to contrast a little bit on this piece. Yeah,
Adam Curry: because they kind of blend it into the background too
much.
John C Dvorak: It's like low contrast. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah. What else was there? Media assassins poster.
Cute. But now No, Hunter buy lots of Hunter Biden coke
baggies. Yeah, there's just no doubt. This Parker Polly piece
was a winner. A clear winner, a dynamite winner. And just a
great job really was a great job.
John C Dvorak: But the best of the banana peel piece we should
mention his sizzle Tron had a banana peel that was in the form
of like a slipper or a high heel. Yeah, that
Adam Curry: was very cute. Very higher up.
John C Dvorak: What was good about this piece to me was it's
very dimensional. It's very, it's just a beautiful piece of
art calling
Adam Curry: out the dimensionality of the art. Very
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John C Dvorak: Stephen Adams and Oxford Mississippi $100. For
meetup coming up Adam fret which we'll talk about later. Adam
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know there's a guy who's they have built a sterling car once
you built the Sterling Yeah, I built a Stirling and I know that
but I swapped out the Volkswagen engine and put a Porsche engine
and it wishes
Adam Curry: that yes yes you put the six cylinder Porsche engine
in
John C Dvorak: there no four was the flat was only good fit in
there. And there used to be a guy who got all the Sterling
owners in trouble because he kept ditching the police and his
name was Joe Cool. spelled exactly the same way
Adam Curry: do you what color was your Sterling
John C Dvorak: bright orange
Adam Curry: you really drove one of these yeah no did did the top
the yeah the removable top and everything?
John C Dvorak: No, I never was removable just opened funny.
Adam Curry: Oh, I thought I thought there Oh, that's how it
opened. I thought it was removable. So now this this was
a kid hole top
John C Dvorak: comes off with to get out right. I
Adam Curry: was a kid car right? Yeah. As a Kitt car, to what
happened to it.
John C Dvorak: I sold it to a guy in San Jose eventually. Like
maybe
Adam Curry: I would have been years ago. I would have loved to
have seen you roll up in that. Hey, girls.
John C Dvorak: Well, it was in terms of a pickup car. Believe
me a Corvette was a better idea. I'll tell you why. For one
thing, you couldn't roll up to anyone and say hi girls because
the windows didn't know you
Adam Curry: had to open the hole the hole we had to take the
whole roof off.
John C Dvorak: To Say hi girls and you look like a doofus
Adam Curry: Okay, that was problem one oh components
John C Dvorak: some nice pipes on that thing that blow Porsche
engine sounded good was some I forgot the brand but there were
some
Adam Curry: side by side pipe side pipes.
John C Dvorak: No No they weren't there they went out the
back. Wow they
Adam Curry: should reissue this thing again. That's what a cool
thing to build on a cool car that was.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it was one of the best looking cars I've
ever driven Curtis cool anyways in East Stroudsburg,
Pennsylvania 7714 And he thanks us for working on the holidays.
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Unknown: Oh, all right. He's
John C Dvorak: moved to Concord.
Adam Curry: So small boobs.
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Adam Curry: Ed. Ed, Ed is asking for a shout out for smokin hot
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John. I'm sorry sir Dix birth there we go. Sir. diksa becomes
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Crikey. We have only one I thought we had a dame as well
then we have a dame we have a dame for sure. Why do I know
Yeah, I know we do. Oh my second something I'm missing a dame
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John C Dvorak: yeah, it's right to top thanks to top person let
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Adam Curry: now I'm pretty sure this was not how about that No,
it's not on there.
John C Dvorak: Oh really? Because it's in blue. This is a
this is the this is going to be caused caused a great
concentration
Adam Curry: consternation in the back office. So it's Erica at
home I can get this information here. I'm glad I caught it
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Okay, so we have Eric Whoa, whoa, that's right. Caught just
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John C Dvorak: like yeah, I got my right here. All right.
Adam Curry: Erica, we're ready for you. I was wondering like
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Sadly, could not make the big Austin meet up this past week.
And of course we have the kids in town so that I didn't think
they would appreciate driving an hour and 45 minutes to do the
meet up in the back. You know, they might have liked it for a
little bit but decided against that. So instead, we think every
kid's going to be in town. They are leave. They're going to go
to Austin for two days on Thursday. So they'll be out of
the house on Thursday and they go they fly back Sunday.
John C Dvorak: From Austin. Yes. From Austin.
Adam Curry: Yes. Why?
John C Dvorak: Oh, I was just wondering, okay. There's no
reason I
Adam Curry: don't care. I was just curious. I got you.
John C Dvorak: interfering with your schedule as well,
Adam Curry: to some degree. Here's a meet up report from
Oxford, Mississippi.
Unknown: ITM, John and Adam, this is Buffy at the first ever.
Sippy sippi Ms. Mississippi.
Hey, this is Blake Adams. Just another dude named Ben at the
first ever meet up. Hi, this is Greg.
I've just been hit in the mouth. And here's the friend that did
it.
Hey, I'm John. And they're putting chemicals in the alcohol
that are making me drunk.
Thanks, Shawn. And Adam, this is Lance and my wife hit me in the
mouth. And I'm so glad I came. We'll see it the next velvet
ditch meetup.
Adam Curry: All right, in the morning to all of you. Thank you
very much for showing up. Here's a couple of You know what's
happening in the next few days today actually, downtown East
down south. That's the meetup in REL right po ticket tech Korea,
that Scarborough in Maine so you better hurry up if you want to
catch that one. It may be over the July 9 Harlem meet up that
is in the Netherlands. They're probably well underway and
inebriated. That's the boat tour through Harlem's canals. I can't
wait to hear that meet up. Oh, yeah, the Dutch are creative
man. Mexico City's first meet up five o'clock Mexico City time.
That'll be to de la service shitless of each Tierra del
barrio, Mexico City, Polanco. Magewell Hidalgo Mexico please
don't take my directions as truth but he got notes in me
that's the content of what I just said. On Thursday next show
day the so called meet up five o'clock that'll be it. Nevermind
Awesome Bar in Cape Coral, Florida. And the North Dakota
Norwegian crossover meet up at six o'clock at the starving
rooster in Minos North Dakota. And then finally on Thursday,
July 13. The Denver no or minute is probably minute you're
probably right. Thank you. I don't know I don't use a minnow
minute minutes minutes North Dakota go to no agenda meetups
aka the Denver City Parks summer slave brigade who he who he
kicks off at 630 in Denver City Park that will be in Denver and
colonists organizing that so this is your no agenda Meetup is
just a partial bit of the list we're going all the way through
the end of August already if you want to find out where you can
find one this is your people. This is who you want to be with
these are the people who have something in common it's not for
normies necessarily, but you'll be able to meet some people who
are quite normal like yourself we just have no issue it's an
amazing thing. This is the people who will save you in a
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Unknown: sometimes you go hang out with Tyson day you'd be
triggered you want to be everybody feels the same it's
like
Adam Curry: man even though we still have plenty of show left,
I suppose. Did you bring any ISOs I have one
John C Dvorak: but play yours first. Okay
Adam Curry: I have to
Unknown: bow has amazing night is absolutely amazing. Nice.
Adam Curry: Here's my other one salmonella salmonella salmonella
is part of a clip they didn't play. Good. Yeah, exactly.
John C Dvorak: I only have one is podcasting
Unknown: podcasts and alternative news outlets are
enough.
Adam Curry: That's a little long. So just a tad long. The
mean do you think that's better than the thank you for your
thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you
John C Dvorak: we'll play yours again.
Adam Curry: Okay, hold on a second. I'm gonna rewrite got
Iraq. It takes a second Iraq here it is. Here's mine. Set bow
has
Unknown: amazing. That is absolutely amazing. My
Adam Curry: it's not great. A little at the end. I cut that
off. I cut it off.
John C Dvorak: I think the amazing one it works. I don't
really have a problem with it.
Unknown: Podcasts and alternative news outlets are
enough.
Adam Curry: Have you seen this podcast? You know, I have a beef
here. I have a beef.
John C Dvorak: I do. I've got a couple of yeah, a lot of beef in
Texas. Yeah, we got
Adam Curry: tons of beef. US podcast misinformation goes
largely unchecked. Notice they never put our show in these
articles. That's because we're never we don't have
misinformation. Exactly. But here's what they write. This is
News guard. So this is a stupid firm that is now if we were
doing ads, we will be broke. Because newsguard affirm that
rates the credibility of websites announced in May it
will begin evaluating the trustworthiness of popular
podcasts.
John C Dvorak: But this is the idea is to run podcasts that are
stupid enough to bring in advertisers that are squirrely,
generally speaking. Yeah. They're wimpy and squirrely. And
they show you sure we can begin to do this with the podcast. I
don't know Bill, what do you think? And so they'll bail out
left and right and so they see us and what's the point
Adam Curry: newsguard said it will release the rating the
ratings rate ratings for some 200 podcasts in 2024, giving
more transparency to listeners and an herbalist like listeners
care what transcript Yeah, so listen to
John C Dvorak: the truth. Giving transparency data. Well, what's
it going to do transparency? You're going to treat it like
the podcast. Yes.
Adam Curry: And enabling advertisers to avoid podcast
featuring information or content at odds with their brand. Yeah,
which is everyone. editorial director Eric Efron said reading
podcasts is, quote, more challenging than other content
because of the audio format, which requires time to listen
and to examine transcripts. And this takes a tremendous
investment, because we use human intelligence.
John C Dvorak: Wow, why would anyone use the word human
intelligence unless they're spooks?
Adam Curry: Because he's playing off of AI, artificial
intelligence. But here's the here's the beef that I have.
Being neo Nazi podcasters who said Prince Harry and Megan son,
Archie is an abomination that should be put down for being
mixed race had been convicted of terror crimes. Now, I know a lot
about podcasts. And, in fact, you know, me and Dave Jones, we
built a little index called podcast index.org. And we know
what's a podcast and what's not a podcast? So when they say this
is the Daily Mail these two jokes Christopher Gibbons, 38
and Tyrone Paton Walsh 34 hosted Black Wolf radio, homophobic,
racist, anti semitic Islamophobic and misogynistic
podcast.
John C Dvorak: I can tell you rap and put it in a nutshell. I
can tell
Adam Curry: you, that's not a podcast. It never was in the
index. It was never subscribable and we have everything that is
that is nut job. It might have been a rumble. It might have
been a Bridey on but they never put it up on an RSS all the
rumble. Yeah, so it's not a podcast to get it right. Daily
Mail.
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm glad you excoriated them. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's annoying. It's just annoying. All right,
John C Dvorak: it's back. So I got Kennedy. I got this gal lift
guy who's gonna who's I don't know Israeli intelligence. Maybe
I don't know what Yeah, so
Adam Curry: I explained the background of this gal LWF guy
because he just popped up out of nowhere he's a whistleblower.
He's a Mossad. Whatever he is, he's an Israeli.
John C Dvorak: He seems to have been he don't know what he is.
He is an Israeli we know that.
Adam Curry: He seems to have been in business with Hunter
maybe or something with the
John C Dvorak: China he was in business with the Chinese oil
company. And so
Adam Curry: all of a sudden, this guy is spilling the tea on
the bike. Well,
John C Dvorak: here, he explains it probably better than I can
with clip one Biden hit Dr. Gal lift.
Unknown: Good day. My name is Dr. Gahl. Loved. For the past 20
years, I have been the co director of the Institute for
the analysis of global security, a Washington based think tank
focused on energy security, or stink tank. For the past 15
years, I've been a resident of Israel. And for four years, I
was senior adviser to the China energy company CFC, at the same
time of its dealings with the Biden family. Under normal
circumstances, I will be testifying before Congress about
my experience with CFC. Sadly, due to circumstances I shall
describe here in this video, I am forced to tell you the story
via video. My ordeal goes back to a fatal decision I made in
March of 2019 to share with the US government my knowledge about
the Biden family's relations with CFC. As I said it was in
March of 2019. In a two day session at the US Embassy in
Brussels. I insisted that the meeting take place in March
because at the time they will rumor was that Joe Biden who was
planning to run for president, I saw it as my civic duty to alert
the government beforehand and give it enough time to probe the
issue. I want to be clear, I am not a Republican. I'm not a
Democrat. I have no political motive or agenda. I did it out
of deep concern that if the Biden's were to come to power,
the country would be facing the same traumatic Russia collusion
scandal. Only this time was China. Sadly, because of the DOJ
is cover up. This is exactly what happened.
Adam Curry: A couple of things. One, CFC that's a Chinese energy
firm. Right? Yeah. But to he said he made a fatal mistake. Is
he dead?
John C Dvorak: No, he's not dead.
Adam Curry: Good point. And he also said no agenda, which I
kind of liked that he kind of said no
John C Dvorak: agenda. That's all. So he goes on. Yeah,
there's a lot of clips here, but I'm only gonna play a couple of
them because he kind of is he's not interesting. He's in terms
of his presentation. He doesn't have any dynamic range. He just
goes on and on with his spiel. And you have to wonder who is an
asset for somebody? We can't figure out who, cuz Why would we
know but here we go.
Unknown: The DOJ sent to Brussels, a delegation of six
people to prosecutors from the Southern District of New York,
by the names of Daniel right Intel and Catherine Ghosh. And
four FBI agents. One of them was special agent, Joshua Wilson
from the Baltimore Field Office, which also happens to cover the
state of Delaware. Or you want to ask yourself, why did the
government dispatched to Europe so many people? Why six? Why not
to? The answer is that they knew very well that I am a credible
witness, and that I have insider knowledge about the group and
the individuals that enrich the Biden family. Over it intensive
to you to the meeting, I shared my information about the Biden
family's financial transactions with CFC, including specific
dollar figures. I also provided the name of ROB Walker, who
later became known as Hunter Biden's bagman. You yet as we
now know today from the whistleblower testimony, Gary
Shapley, it took the DOJ the whole 21 month to probe the
issue and to actually talk to Walker. But perhaps the most
alarming information I revealed was of a mole within the DOJ who
shared classified information with Hunter Biden and his
Chinese partners. I told the DOJ that Hunter was closely
associated with a very senior retire retired FBI official who
had distinct physical characteristic. He had one eye
one of the FBI agents at the time, even told me, you know,
that would be very easy for us to find there aren't that many
one eyed people in the bureau?
Adam Curry: Alright, that I have a couple of questions because I
of course, I saw this whole thing. No worries, like 15
minutes.
John C Dvorak: It goes on for days.
Adam Curry: One why does this Israeli national Why is he
really doing that? He's saying because he's so patriotic for
America. I find that sketchy.
John C Dvorak: That's all I got questions to keep going
Adam Curry: to. You know, what is he really telling us? That's
new Other than this, this is the only thing that's new is there
was a mole one guy that one is the one I DOJ guy. That guy.
John C Dvorak: There's about this for another question. Why
is he going to the embassy in Belgium there's an Embassy in
Tel Aviv another good question. Why is he just go to the local
embassy right there? He's in Israel.
Adam Curry: I don't know that. I find this this whole thing.
Question fishy. really sketchy?
John C Dvorak: I think it's I think it's fishy in a lot of
different on a lot of dimension. I
Adam Curry: really liked the one I guy though. I mean, the one I
guys good. There's gonna be some guy who's just gonna show up on
the scene. And when people got that, that's the one.
John C Dvorak: That'd be the guy. He's got one. I,
Adam Curry: you know, that's gonna happen.
John C Dvorak: Hey, we'll play one more.
Adam Curry: Yeah, which one? Three.
Unknown: The information they provided the FBI in March of
2019 was fully corroborated. Nine months later, when the
famous laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, which contained
all the emails and receipts, was handed to the FBI. And guess who
seized the laptop from the computer repair shop. It was
special agent Joshua Wilson, who was with me in Brussels earlier.
In other words the FBI knew about from me about the Biden
CFC deals before they got hold of the laptop way before they
had enough time to investigate the issue. But they didn't.
After Brussels, I never heard back from the DOJ. But instead
of showing appreciation for My whistleblowing I became public
enemy number one. For the past four years that followed me, my
family Fonasa
Adam Curry: whistleblowing is not just the guy who says, Hey,
someone I do knows all about it. A whistleblower is someone who
works in government and is is blowing the whistle on
corruption or something happening inside the
organization right inside, you'd
John C Dvorak: have to be part you have to be if he worked for
the DOJ, he could, he could say was the whistle. So
Adam Curry: I don't like any data, which I don't like. And I
think you and I agree that clearly the Biden's are up to no
good but this guy just doesn't seem like the guy. We need the
one I got that's that's clear.
John C Dvorak: And the other thing too, but he does bring up
an interesting point about you know, every time anyone goes
after the Biden's if we connect that to Biden being involved in
the takedown of Europe, because she he was mentioned in the in
the phone call that we played. He's part of a bigger system,
they can't afford to let him get become a distraction in any way.
Nothing's going to happen to Joe Biden. No,
Adam Curry: but we know what hunter is going to have this
unfortunate jet engine ingestion. Just tell I'm just
like the
John C Dvorak: fact that you're sticking with it and with it.
Unknown: After Brussels, I never heard back from the DOJ. But
instead of showing appreciation for my whistleblowing, I became
public enemy number one. Over the past four years that
followed me, my family, my friends, my associates, were all
arrest intimidated. And finally, I was prosecuted. Despite all
that, on the eve of the 2020 elections, I sent my lawyer to
Washington to meet with then acting deputy attorney general
is to reach out to you to ensure he was informed about the
information had given his department in Brussels 19 months
earlier. And also to warn him that there may still be a mole
within the DOJ. Mr. Donner you'll confirm to my lawyer that
he was aware of my claims but now we learned from the IRS
whistleblower that it was reached Donohue himself who
suspended the investigation few weeks earlier on September
4 2020 on the grounds that it was quote too close to the
elections
Adam Curry: I don't know man What is this guy's up ended up
with I'll always be on the run now. Yeah, right. And why What
are you worried about?
Unknown: My um,
John C Dvorak: I feel the same way you do I think the whole
time that I got more I do we can stop it there because it's just
pretty much the same. Yeah, but it's you know, the DOJ is
courageous the same no crunchy at this and these but he named
some names which is kind of cool and but he himself this guy is a
little a little sketchy.
Adam Curry: All right, let me do some other stuff. But here's
something that we've been hearing. For several weeks.
We've talked about it on the show. We've we've we've gotten
people to explain to us what they are. And once again, here
comes forever chemicals forever chemicals. It's everywhere.
They're forever. They're chemicals that are for ever
Unknown: in tonight's healthsmart new water concerns.
Researchers say nearly half the tap water in the United States
contains forever chemicals known as PFA Is there a group of
synthetic chemicals found in many cleaning products that
linger in the environment and the human body? A new US
Geological Survey study discovered 45% of us tap water
contains forever chemicals with the highest amounts in central
and southern California. The exposure to PFS is linked to
problems like cancer, obesity, thyroid disease, high
cholesterol, decreased fertility, liver damage and
hormone suppression.
Adam Curry: Now when I heard that list, first thing I thought
was man, they're doing anything to cover for the ozempic side
effects but I think there's something else going on here.
They finally figured out they want to get to our water. And I
said when I heard this CBS report with the solution because
you know we have the problem of course that's the Forever
chemicals we've been it's been been building for weeks. We've
kept hearing these reports forever chemicals, okay,
everyone's hearing about forever chemicals. There hasn't really
been a huge reaction outrage but okay, here's the solution.
There's
Unknown: a disturbing new study out today. The nation's drinking
water researchers found that nearly half of the tap water in
this country contains potentially harmful compounds
known as forever chemicals. They're linked to a wide range
of health problems including cancer, high blood pressure and
fertility issues. CBS is Mark Strassman takes an in depth look
at a new technology that could make so called Forever chemicals
disappear
technology. Nasty cargo 10,000 gallons of landfill water laced
with PFS, a known carcinogen that nothing could get rid of.
Until now
we're concentrating the nasty stuff to allow the Annihilator
system to treat it.
Not just treat PFS blast them out of existence. These so
called Forever chemicals are manmade used in Teflon
firefighting foam, even facial makeup and previously
indestructible. This is where the PDFs go. That's correct.
Last year we showed you Battelle, a nonprofit research
institute doing a small scale field test, distilling water
into pee fast concentrate, they're really nasty stuff for
destruction. It worked a technological first, leaving
behind water and salts harmless to the environment.
You've got to have enough force and energy to break those bonds.
Now another first scaling that technology like this forklift
carrying the concentrate for treatment. The PFS annihilator
lives inside this converted cargo container with heat and
pressure. It blasts the PFS concentrate these forever
chemicals gone without a trace within seconds here in Grand
Rapids. This retooled water treatment plant is North
America's first permitted pee fast remediation facility. Were
you convinced it would work? We had a lot of hope that it would
so How
scalable is it? It's could be much more scalable, much larger
than this. This plants
treating a half million gallons a week, the market seems
virtually limitless.
John C Dvorak: This is only the tip of the iceberg of us being
able to get the scalable technology to market and
customers for the
Unknown: first time. Nothing about P FOSS is forever.
Adam Curry: The again, like what is this now all of a sudden
they've got some way to treat native ad Yes. But for some
company that's trying to get investment I think not sure.
Kind of like oh,
John C Dvorak: so Jesse, Jaycees wife and JC to a lesser extent
they're very good at searching out the best of the best of
various kinds of things. And so she's a freak about the water.
So she you know, bread is no good. And they were using the
zero water system.
Adam Curry: They don't have a Berkey
John C Dvorak: I'm just putting this out there for people who
want to try these things. Okay. And the one that they finally
know that one of the finally concluded was the best because
it takes out fluoride, supposedly, and I biotics and
all this crap in the water. And I've been using it, it makes a
delicious glass of water, I would say I'll say that. It's
called Clearly Filtered, Clearly Filtered. Now Clearly Filtered
is waters tasty, but the device that they have to do the water
container is a piece of shit into the lid doesn't want to
stay on. Just keep it out to hold it down when you're poor.
Nobody except for that flaw is Brett's dynamite. And I think
that might maybe be the best of the bunch of these things.
There's a whole bunch of these companies that make this these
filters interesting. So it's just a recommendation from me to
the audience.
Adam Curry: A couple other things. There's some loose ends
I want to tie up. So this story is all over the news. But I just
picked a random clip this is from W IO n. But there's a
question that no one is asking or that is just not being
discussed
Unknown: phase after violence erupted in France, the French
Senate has now passed a controversial law granting a
sweeping powers to police authority. This after the
country was engulfed and riots after the police fatally shot a
teenager in a Paris suburb city. According to reports, a French
police can now spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras,
microphones and the GPS location system of a flow.
Adam Curry: So this is everywhere this story of French
have passed a law that they are now allowed to activate
microphones, cameras and GPS systems and they can keep the
data up to six months. The question I'm asking is how are
they doing this? No one is discussing this. No one is tell
is it is Apple just saying okay, Frenchie. That's all good. No
problem. Yeah, well, we'll just turn it on for you. Is that how
it's happening?
John C Dvorak: No one's asking the question. These are
journalists that they were you expect them to actually
Adam Curry: you're crunching in and out for some reason. Oh,
okay, hold on. Yeah, write down the time. Well, here's what I
surmised. Because I think I have the answer. What clearly must be
happening is the very same social networks. I don't see
Apple going. Yeah, sure. French no problem. Yeah, they Frenchie.
Yeah, we'll just flip it on for you, man. You go, there you go.
Do whatever you want. No, I don't think they'll do that. I
don't think even Google probably wouldn't do that. But I do have
a feeling that Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,
that they'll gladly give them access to flip stuff on. The
apps can control it you give your app permission to access
your camera access your microphone X true access your
GPS location. So I think it's these apps. I think the apps are
the are the are the the bad actors in this.
John C Dvorak: What about the telecom companies? They seem
like bad actors see, but then
Adam Curry: we'll have access to the camera like the apps do the
apps you meet the people literally give them permission?
Yeah. Can we access your camera? Yeah, go for time. Yes, stupid.
So stupid.
John C Dvorak: Send your contact list. Don't forget that. Oh,
yeah.
Adam Curry: Now here's another thing that is rather irksome.
And fast
John C Dvorak: profit, by the way, is probably a profit center
for the apps. Selling the information to the government.
Yes. I would hate to say it, but I'd probably be on board with
that. Company.
Adam Curry: I'm not sure why this clip is only six seconds
long. In fact,
Unknown: the two hottest days in world history is the history of
the planet.
Adam Curry: Why is this? Why is this so short? That's weird
because you missed I must I must have missed clipped. The point
is we all heard about it. The
John C Dvorak: hottest, hotter you talked about this on the
last show, I need to remind I know
Adam Curry: I just I just have to have to point out that this
comes from the University of Maine's climate re analyzer.
They're the ones who determined this. This is where all this
news reporting comes from, as Tuesday and unofficial on
official record for the hottest day on Earth was set. And here's
how they do it. From their own website. The Globe's average
temperature reached 62.9 degrees Fahrenheit 17.7 degrees Celsius
on Tuesday according to the University of Mainz climate re
analyzer, a tool based on satellite data observations,
computer simulations used by climate scientists scientists
for a glimpse of the world condition this is a bogus story.
John C Dvorak: It's used it's a lot of legs
Adam Curry: oh boy did it ever because they couldn't do it
because they can add a map and stuff and so on. And you might
have seen this story. Climate change is making turbulence
worse Have you seen this?
John C Dvorak: No. Oh no.
Adam Curry: That was new Oh Just plug it into the into the into
your Google thing there turbulence climate change. I
mean, I can read you some of the headlines. It was my daughter
even cuz she's she has she's not a very confident flyer, CNBC bad
news for nervous fliers. Turbulence is getting worse as
the planet warms, New Scientist, turbulence on flights is getting
worse because of climate change. NPR, climate change may be
making turbulence a lot worse. Green matters. Why is turbulence
getting worse? The plane experience is getting bumpy, USA
Today. What causes turbulence? Here's what makes it worse.
You're on news. Fasten your seat belts. Turbulence during flights
is getting more severe due to climate change. NBC News. The
seatbelt sign is on viral videos and climate change boosts
concerns about turbulence insider how climate change is
making plane turbulence worse The Verge it's not just you
flights are getting more turbulent. BBC News flight
turbulence increases at planet heats up study Washington Post
how global warming is creating more turbulence on flights.
Yahoo News severe air turbulence has increased by more than 50%
in the past 40 years because of climate change. I can go on and
on and on. Allow me to explain what's going on there. It's got
John C Dvorak: anything to do with bedbugs
Adam Curry: know what the air traffic control is doing in
conjunction with airlines is is what's causing the so called
increased turbulence in order to save the planet and save the
Earth. They are now trying to position the way you approach
your destination airfield is you're at 30,000 feet and then
at a certain point air traffic control says okay, says okay,
Unknown: okay Devorah airways, go down to 25,000 feet,
Adam Curry: and you'll go down to 25,000 feet up you there for
a little bit. And then you after you get a little closer and and
say, Please descend to 12,000 feet and you start descending to
12,000, you fly around there for a little bit. So they can
sequence people, you know, you kind of go in a step down
manner. And this is the way it's been done forever. But oh, no,
now they're trying to change it. And they're using AI, of course,
so that and this is crazy. So that you can basically glide all
the way down in one fell swoop without using your engine. So
you just put the engines to idle, you start gliding down,
then there's no stops at any, any particular altitude level,
all the way down pretty much until you're ready to sequence
into land at the airport. And of course, what happens is, you
don't get the pause just before you know a level that may have a
little bit of chop as we call it in the business is it's gonna
ride us riding it all the way down, and it's scary and it gets
bumpy and it's not a pleasant experience. The reason why
pilots and airlines don't do this is to keep the passenger
comfortable. And this is now being sold as climate change is
making turbulence worse. Isn't that isn't the
John C Dvorak: presentation on your part? Thank you sound
Adam Curry: effects to on Thank you
John C Dvorak: glad to hear the sound effects.
Adam Curry: You heard the sound effect.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that Oh, yeah. Well, you that's that's
always a winner.
Adam Curry: And then I got that I got a note from one of our
producers about climate change. Now because of course they're
also looking at the hottest day on record by going back to since
1940. Because 1941 was the coldest year on Earth since the
1600s when he when the sea belt when the belt sea froze over
each year. In fact, in the 1600s Swedish armies could walk to
Denmark and apparently according to one of our producers, Denmark
still has a law on the books that says if a Swede walks over
the ice to Denmark your it is legal to beat him to a pulp.
This is a great law so it's all such bunk. A such bunk it's just
unbelievable.
John C Dvorak: What we're talking about bonk bonk you guys
might as well do the hit job that on the media did to poor
Bobby to K
Adam Curry: okay, let's do the Bobby The K hit job. All right
John C Dvorak: now everything about this is slanted and it's
assumed and I have to I have to assume that they're sincere.
They think Bobby The K. Robert Kennedy Jr. is nuts. He's a
conspiracy theory. Drina Cruz, he uses techniques to fool you.
He's a liar.
Adam Curry: So let's go and even his family hates him.
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah. And we get can't forget that his family
hates him because he's so off the rails. And by the way, the
conclusion is a good muzzle summarize that it's only for his
legacies doing this appeal. Remember he existed? That's such
a loser. That's
Adam Curry: like a Trump thing. He's doing that just just to
just for his own ego. Is that Is that what they're saying? Yeah.
Oh, nice. Kennedy's media on the media gonna win
Unknown: in November 2020. For most likely he won't win the
Democratic primary either. But even if he gets nowhere, just
sticks it out. They're part of this election cycle. He'll
Garner plenty of media coverage, and his dangerous ideas will
reach more people. My article was published on NBC news.com. A
few weeks after our encounter, after I'd had plenty of time to
fact check and contextualize his response. But not everyone's
going to have that luxury. for help and advice on covering
conspiracy peddling candidates on the trail. We called up Anna
Merlin. She's the author of Republic of lies American
conspiracy theorists and their surprising rise to power. In a
recent article, Marlin described Kennedy's supporters as a quote
coalition of anti Vax activist crypto enthusiast, Silicon
Valley moguls and supporters from across the horseshoe of
extremism, the horseshoe
Adam Curry: of extremism. This is a good one.
Unknown: So on the left, Mr. Kennedy is obviously talking a
lot about his bona fides as an environmental lawyer, which is
the job he sort of did prior to becoming an anti vaccine
activist and he is weighing heavily on the family name. On
the right and far right he is promoting frankly, Trumpian
talking points, for instance, talking about sealing the border
permanently blaming mass shootings on pharmaceutical
drugs like Prozac.
Anecdotally, it appears that almost every one of these
shooters were on SSRIs or some other psychiatric drug,
promoting a view that the war in Ukraine is fundamentally a proxy
war. And
President Biden has said that was their deep platform to
depose Vladimir Putin. And if that's why we're there, we're
killing a lot of Ukrainians as pawns.
He has said that he opposes trans women competing in women's
sports.
Adam Curry: This guy isn't crazy. You can't have all this.
John C Dvorak: And I liked the last bit on her laundry list. He
opposes of all things. He opposes trans women, competing
and female sports is oh my god, what a lousy guy.
Adam Curry: What if this is just an a hole? I tell you. So that
John C Dvorak: was the laundry list of Democrat. Talking
Points.
Adam Curry: We need a new list. We need a list for Bobby, the K
of all the things he is. I mean, he, he uses the horseshoe of
extremism.
John C Dvorak: Clip, never heard of this.
Unknown: He also has an incredibly combative and often
litigious relationship with both mainstream media and sort of
mainstream systems of government. He wants to persuade
people who think they're Democrats that they're not
Democrats and people who think they're Republicans that they're
not Republicans is how he put it to Dr. Drew. So he's presenting
himself as kind of a nonpartisan everyman, who is equally
dissatisfied with both sides.
So let's talk about how journalists and media outlets
are handling this candidacy. You wrote that ABC and CNN
demonstrated how not to cover RFK Jr. Yeah. What did they do
wrong?
So this was a very kind of URL.
Adam Curry: Oh, well,
John C Dvorak: let me just I know this. Oh,
Adam Curry: we should just rename him Bobby. The cue. I
don't know why we even talk about this man, Audrina Croft K,
Unknown: Jr. Yeah. What did they do wrong?
So this was a very kind of early example of media platforms, just
not really being ready to cover Kennedy's candidacy. So what ABC
did was they sat down for a fairly conventional candidate
interview, oh, maybe. But during it, he did what he does, which
is he started spouting COVID and vaccine misinformation. And so
ABC made the decision to just cut that portion from the
interview, and then tell their audience that that's what they
were doing just
Adam Curry: that was just like vomit just spouting from his
mouth and was Orpheus about vaccine disinformation.
Unknown: We should note that during our conversation, Kennedy
made false claims about the COVID-19 vaccines data shows
that the COVID-19 vaccines prevented millions of
hospitalizations and deaths from the disease. He also made
misleading claims about the relationship between vaccination
and autism research, I
think that it was a well intentioned decision. But what
it did was it gave Kennedy an incredibly powerful talking
point to say, you see my views on COVID. And vaccines are so
powerful and so threatening to the establishment that they
cannot see the light of day.
This is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years.
They shut me up that long, because now I'm gonna really let
loose on him for the next 18 months. They're gonna hear a lot
from
Adam Curry: Oh, let me guess. Next question. So Becky? Thick.
So what do we do with a candidate like Bobby the
barbecue? What do we do Becca?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, actually, she this has got the second
example first, and then it falls apart. You're right, that this
kind of coming up.
Unknown: CNN was a little bit more unusual. Essentially, what
happened is that a CNN political journalist named Michael
Smerconish had Kennedy on Ash managed to use the word vaccines
exactly once in his introduction, and then proceeded
to have a very friendly, jocular interview with Mr. Kennedy about
his campaign that managed to not ask about his anti vaccine
activism at all. Let's spend more time talking about Mr.
Smerconish, his Fandom of Cheryl Hines, Mr. Kennedy's wife,
if I had not convinced her that I can win this race, I would not
be in it because she's the ultimate boss.
Okay, listen, I do love your wife. I'm Team Shirl.
Having said that.
So it was really really striking.
So okay, that's what journalists do wrong. How can we do things
versus
Adam Curry: when we're wrong? What's the with the G? guttural
G wrong? I heard it before.
John C Dvorak: This is new. I didn't notice this.
Adam Curry: What that's what journalists do wrong.
Unknown: That was really, really striking.
So okay, that's what journalists do wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Adam Curry: Wrong. I heard it.
John C Dvorak: Yes, that's wrong. Wrong.
Adam Curry: What are you doing it wrong? I said that wrong.
Unknown: So it was really, really striking.
So okay, that's what journalists do wrong. How can we do things?
Right,
right. I mean, oh,
Adam Curry: man, this is this is NPR. I mean, it's just a
podcast, a throw it out of the index. That's so bad said that.
Unknown: So it was really, really striking.
So okay, that's what journalists do wrong. How can we do things?
Right?
Right. I mean, the first of course, is the absolutely cannot
go into arguably any interview unprepared, but especially with
someone who has spent,
Adam Curry: I'm just stopping this right now. I'm just
stopping it right now. This is so dynamite. This is the truth.
You got two clips of the day.
John C Dvorak: Oh, I'm on a roll.
Adam Curry: I mean, the fact that this is being broadcast on
all right
John C Dvorak: guys on NPR, over out of it Public
Adam Curry: Radio, it's you know what this is, this is wrong. Our
Cuba
Unknown: please really interview unprepared, but especially with
someone who has spent the better portion of the later part of
their adult life promoting and advancing false claims about one
thing specifically, and is very, very, very trained and how to do
that. The second is to be prepared to push back in real
time. Then the third, I think, is sort of a broader existential
question, which is ask yourself what the purpose of interviewing
is, like at its base, what you are hoping to convey to readers
and listeners, the sort of unanswered questions that you
know, an interviewer might go towards answering.
Well, let's talk about that fact checking in real time. It's very
hard. Yes, it is.
And Mr. Kennedy does something that is a kind of known
rhetorical style that other folks do, too, which is called
this sort of Gish gallop is the term for it named after
Adam Curry: Whoa, Gish gallop.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Gish, Gallup is actually in Wikipedia.
What is it?
Adam Curry: What is it Gish gallop
John C Dvorak: against Gallup? is what I would say if anybody
actually does it. I don't think Kennedy does. But it's so a Ben
Shapiro would do it, where you just throw so much stuff at
somebody, they can't take it. They're ducking you left and
right. And they can't respond in time. Oh, by the time they want
to respond to something you say something else. Oh, you mean
like with facts? Yeah, if you were actually a Kennedy has a
lot of facts. But they, they just assume everything. He says,
Is this information or there's better facts, or?
Adam Curry: I mean, let me read the exact definition. The Gish
gallop, or Gish gallop, which I like better, is a rhetorical
technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm
their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments
also known as facts, with no regard for the accuracy or
strength of those arguments. Gish galloping prioritizes the
quantity of the Gallopers arguments at the expense of
their quality. The term was coined in 1994 by anthropologist
Eugene Scott, who named it after American creationist Duane Gish,
and argued that Gish use the technique frequently when
challenging scientific fact of evolution. So don't throw too
many facts at me, because then you're Gish galloping kind of
known
Unknown: rhetorical style that other folks do, too, which is
called this sort of Gish gallop is the term for it, named
after Duane Gish, a creationist, right so the idea that you're
creationist
Adam Curry: Gish
Unknown: gallop is that you are making claim upon claim
Adam Curry: season. I'm sorry, a heathen who believes in God. Oh,
no.
Unknown: Gish gallop is
the term for it, named after Duane Gish, a creationist,
right. So the idea that Gish gallop is that you are making
claim upon claim upon claim sort of bad argument after bad
argument very, very, very quickly, so quickly, that it is
hard for the person that you were speaking to, to sort of
respond to all of those claims effectively and in real time.
Adam Curry: Oh, what a horrible What a horrible trick. I can't
believe Bobby, the queue is using the Gish gallop trick.
That's, I mean, that's just, I mean, even Trump can't do that.
No, Trump can't Wow, this is
John C Dvorak: Oh, man. So this is the demean him further, you
know, and and by the way, it's always associative. You want to
associate people with create creation? Because yeah, yeah.
Because that makes you nuts.
Adam Curry: By the way, this whole sequence of clips, it's
just like, I had a T bone steak, a tomahawk steak, and then
afterwards you came out and said, Would you like some
tiramisu with that? I mean, this is so good. I'm just, I love
this. This is the best ever, ever.
Unknown: Word one thing that is sort of recommended for
responding specifically to fish scallops is picking out one
claim and focusing in on it whether it's the most ridiculous
the most dangerous, the one that has been debunked the longest,
you can pick a single claim and go from there, debunking a
single claim goes a long way to sort of illuminating the larger
false premises on which some of these claims lie.
So a lot of these pointers deal with TV interviews, I work for a
television company, but I prefer print because then you do have
more control over the outcome. I'm actually reminded of the
brand alliinase law, which is this internet adage that says
the amount of energy needed to refute is an order of magnitude
bigger than is needed to produce it. And in print, I can
contextualize quotes more easily I can take the time to consult
Experts in fact check. Do you think print journalist have a
little easier here? And have they been doing a better job
with him? And I'm also thinking that with presidential
candidates TV coverage is such a big part of it.
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry. Does she mean like something the
Rolling Stone would write when they say the Q anon tinged
thriller about child trafficking is designed to appeal to the
conscience of a conspiracy adult Boomer, is that contextualizing
that you're looking for Becky? Nice in print? Wow. So but you
know, unfortunately, so much television. And
Unknown: I really believe that this is the appropriate
mechanism for covering claims like this that often require not
just a lot of explanation, but a lot of links to other sources.
You know, I really believe in providing links to scientific
studies, position papers, good, strong context that can lead
people to understand better the claims that he's making. It is
so hard to do that in a two minute TV hit, even in a longer
sit down interview, he just incredibly, incredibly
difficult.
What have you learned from your experience reporting on
conspiracy theorists? Is there anything that you've done that
you wouldn't repeat?
In terms of things that I have done that I would no longer do?
I would be less flippant about their ability to affect
politics. I went on this cruise for conspiracy theorists in
2016. And I went into it with a sort of like light hearted
attitude thinking that this was going to be a fun cookie story.
And almost immediately, it was really checked really sobered by
what I saw on what was going on. Andrew Wakefield, who is kind of
the father of the modern anti vaccine movement was on that
boat, people promoting conspiracy theories about the
financial system that put themselves and others quite
literally in prison. I think the one thing I would never do is
discount the ways that conspiracy theories can shape
our politics shape our national conversation and decimate
people's lives.
John C Dvorak: First is no conspiracy. That's why they
ended up in prison.
Adam Curry: First of all, why did I not get invited on this
cruise? Yeah. Setting what Cruise was this?
John C Dvorak: I don't know baby, I asked him when he would
know.
Adam Curry: This is this is this is wrong.
John C Dvorak: Was that the last of that? I think that was the
last unfortunately. But I do have a sub clip. A little minor
little clip. Goodness, I need more I need more. Three second
wrap up the whole thing. This is like they kept talking about
that and maybe a different person. This is the RFK
accusation clip and this is what summarizes it for me.
Unknown: Beliefs are extreme or his beliefs are often false and
misleading.
Adam Curry: Extreme
John C Dvorak: beliefs or extreme or or false or
misleading
Unknown: beliefs are extreme or his beliefs are often false and
misleading misleading beliefs.
Adam Curry: You're You're misleading me with your crazy
beliefs, man.
John C Dvorak: His beliefs are misleading. Wow. Does that.
Think about that sentence? Yeah. You have beliefs? Yes, I do. Who
are you misleading with your beliefs?
Adam Curry: Dumb dipshits like this.
John C Dvorak: You could only be misleading yourself if your
belief is not your comments, or it's not what you say. I don't
know. I mean, this was a hit piece from the get go. They made
him I mean, they're trying to make is worse than they ever did
with Trump. Yeah. I think and I think they're gonna continue
this, this attack. And the problem is they drew out that
piece of all these vendors more to it throughout the entire
thing. They did not refute one single thing.
Adam Curry: No, because they were they were being Gish,
gashed
John C Dvorak: gears. No reef refutation of anything. He said,
No. Well, of
Adam Curry: course not.
John C Dvorak: It's like the ivermectin stuff. There's so
much documentation for Arbor Mason. It's horse paste. Get.
Exactly.
Adam Curry: Gish. gassers. That's what I'm calling these
women. That's probably not very nice, but you go holy crap. I
don't think I can come back from that. I can't top it. I could
just give you some piece of information that I'm sure is
misinformation disinformation. It can't be true. But no, no, I
can't I can't. I can't do nothing. I got nothing. I'm
going to end the show is to it's everything just good. This is
it. We're good to go. That was unbelievable. Good job. Hey, if
you wonder why they call it the best podcast in the universe.
You just heard why. No doubt about it. And And to add to
that, it's all in the Durham report. Coming up next, I know
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in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: in from Northern Silicon Valley where I remained.
I'm John C. Dvorak, please
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Unknown: start with just how concerned parents should be
about these viruses.
I mean, the big question a lot of parents are asking how
concerned should they be about this right now? Should should
should. Health officials are warning this morning about a
growing threat of a so called a triple damage that is people
getting sick from the flu COVID and a seasonal virus that mostly
affects kids it's called RSV.
How do you tell the difference if you're a period between the
flu and COVID and RSV?
Well, that's the thing, Kristen, that's so you know, challenging
is that the symptoms are pretty much indistinguishable.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
Tripled Vivek. That's a phrase that we're hearing. Can you
explain that what that means? So
so that means that we have to keep our eyes on multiple
pathogens, multiple respiratory viruses at the same time time.
Adam Curry: I'm in a, in a an old Airbnb actually is not an
Airbnb, Airbnb, proper bed and breakfast with a really
beautiful breakfast done by the owner. And so it's old, it's an
old house and it has one of those old Dutch toilets that I
think I've mentioned it before on the show that has a ship
thing way up in the air wellhead it has the the the reservoir way
up in the air so uses real gravity big as gravity but it
needs that because it's one of those typical old Dutch toilets
that has the shelf and for people who don't have the main
Dutch toilet maker back in the days start making the mainly for
hospitals and and there's a shelf so when you poop then your
poop stays on the shelf so it can be examined and no one ever
thought that's kind of disgusting for the home and they
just will just just use the hospital toilets and so it's
kind of weird when you sit there I mean this was on the shelf and
that's why he the extra gravity is on the shelf. In some places
it hits the fan in the Netherlands it's on the shelf
there's
Unknown: poop upon the show there's a poop upon the shelf we
keep it boy Oh hell for the queen and Commonwealth The Dutch
are in no rush to see that groupie flush hoop is on the
shelves
good time to have to stay at home alone to do weird stuff
crowd
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to bomb them. We need to kill Vaughn. Vaughn then we need to
kill them, bomb them. bomb them. We need to bomb them. We need to
kill them bomb them again
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That is absolutely amazing