John C Dvorak: Hey, we're all broke. Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak.
Adam Curry: February 23 2023 industries your award winning
keep our nation media assassination episode 1532. This
is no
Unknown: agenda, speaking in real time and
Adam Curry: broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill
country here in February. Tip number six in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry,
John C Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm not
taking part in the sandwich eating thing. I'm Jesse Devorah.
Adam Curry: Sandwich eating thing Do tell.
John C Dvorak: So I'm watching poda and Jenna, as I would do
every morning.
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course on GMA a part three.
John C Dvorak: And
Adam Curry: we'd sad life you have, sir, if that's what
John C Dvorak: was missing in action. They had some guy from
the show, there's some other guy whose name I can never recall.
And they were discussing the biggest thing going on on the
internet, right? Oh, here's how to eat a sandwich. This is how
bad has become this is bringing me back to the blogging days
where you people would blog? Yes, I ate a cheese sandwich
today. And that would be their blog post.
Adam Curry: This plays into something I wanted to talk with
you about how convenient?
John C Dvorak: Well, I wouldn't be convening because you keep up
with this stuff. You'd probably all
Adam Curry: understand. Yeah, I'm all in on the sandwich
thing. No, I'm gonna tie into your newsletter, where you
notice that the newsletter was not as effective as it used to
be? I mean, do you want to just briefly summarize what you what
you wrote?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I was bitching that the generally
speaking, they pay pal donations that come in at the moment a
newsletter sent out or increased by a certain percentage of the
original number in his formula. Yeah. And that has been not
working recently, for some reason. And I got a lot of notes
from everybody saying, hey, the notes all had the same theme.
Hey, we're all broke. And I'm thinking, Oh, gee, Joe Biden
says it economy's booming.
Adam Curry: Every note says we're all broke. That's
interesting.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, pretty much. I think that's the
thematically denotes all said, we're all broke.
Adam Curry: Something else is going on here. And you
identified it and I prove I put a link to to this in in the show
notes. On May 25 of 2021. You wrote an essay titled The death
of expertise and the rise of the Internet. So this was mid
pandemic. And you penned this yourself and I shall just read
the opening paragraph.
John C Dvorak: We'll use pins to go on which but go on.
Adam Curry: Thank you, Kara. I will read it. Yeah, you're
always doing it. The modern Internet has become a hopeless
cesspool of lies misinformation, Mal information, bad intentions,
ignorant good intentions and half truths. Outright hoaxes,
slander, cruelty, as well as a refuge for creeps, criminals,
thieves, phonies, agent provocateurs, wouldn't be
revolutionary predators, useless in fake reviews, Satanist, and
worse. Linking the entire globe of all the subsystems of
corporate archives, personnel records, medical information,
electrical grid interactions, and more will turn out to be the
dumbest thing humanity has ever done. This is one of my favorite
pieces from you. And I think you're absolutely correct. Now
you go on to say that we should basically shut the internet
down, which I think you could have for years to have a debate
over that. But there's something else going on that ties into
this. And I noticed it this week, as I was I was watching
some videos that someone sent me and let me see if I got this.
And it was Yeah, here it is. It was a deep fake of Rogen and
Peterson that just listen to this. Yeah, just listen to this
because it's I'm astounded about just how good this really is.
All right, Jordan, I've been hearing a lot about Peppa Pig
lately. What's all the fuss about the show? Well, Joe, you
know Peppa Pig it's not just a bloody kid show it has a lot of
layers to it. There's actually a political dimension to Peppa Pig
that a lot of people overlook. Wow, really? I never thought
about that. What do you mean by political dimension? Hold that
Okay, so this goes on and I think in general I mean, I can
hear it pretty quickly that this is what we would call so called
Deep fake it would it what would video so that actually distracts
from from the trick? Because you know, the mouse never really
worked the mouse are not there yet. But I realized that people
who listen to podcast a in 1.5 or two times speed Do you really
can't separate facts from fiction when you're doing that,
because the, in general, you're now already used to a
particularly for us like overcast, smart speed feature
which chops out silences. You know, you're getting a choppy
version, you're really training your brain to accept horrible,
horribly faked audio as probably real and good because that's
what you're listening to. And, and here's the thing I posted
something just to kind of throw it out there to the effect of,
if you listen to podcasts at 1.5 or two point times speed, you
will not be able to detect the AI phony AI stuff in the future.
You know, the choice is yours, whatever.
John C Dvorak: You know, I saw you going back and forth on the
no agenda social with this argument. Yes. And I never
realized that you base it on the Peppa Pig.
Adam Curry: That's where it started. And the amount of
people who listen at high speed is astounding. And I think that
you're allowed. I mean, what's happening here? Because I've
asked many people well, you know, why do you do that? Well,
I can I can do more my day, I can read more more sub stacks, I
can listen to more podcasts. If your amygdala is completely out
of whack, if you're doing this, I believe that your nervous
system is being hijacked. It's very unhealthy. This is
analogous to Hitler changing, you know, the age from four for
432 to 440. You know whether that was true or not, but when
when things are not in tune when they're not resonating because
they're human. They I think this is really bad for you. And what
I see happen is, is everyone is now doing outrage, podcasting.
We got someone who responded to the newsletter says, How come
you didn't start with the with Ohio? Why wasn't that your lead?
Well, first of all, we're not a news program. We don't do
leaves. You know, we don't have a meeting about what we're going
to do. You know, it's unscripted. I don't know maybe
47,000 people dead and turkeys more important didn't start with
that either. But I see Tucker Carlson opening his show was 20
minutes on Don Lemon. You know, it's like people are consuming
so much and they get so riled up like, Hey, man, you Don's gonna
save us Twitter files is the truth or don't run the sentence
he's gonna save us. Rhonda Santas all he's talking about
his woke culture. James O'Keefe will rise again. No, no, this
isn't your have been hide your nervous systems have been
hijacked. When you find when you find yourself yelling at
podcasts agreeing that yeah, Joe Biden should be in Ohio. Not
it's like sure that you've lost the overall plot of what's going
on and they're winning. They are winning. And I think you know,
this, this dopamine hits, this is what podcasts are now it goes
from Megyn Kelly outrage outrage out when she's still mad at
Meghan Markel, for some reason to the pool boy, you know, who
will yell about this stuff incessantly. So I just want to
warn everybody that I think you're out of resonance when
you're when you're listening to podcasts at high speed and why?
Why are you doing this? And if it's to cram in more, no, don't
drink from a fire hose like that. Anyway, so it reminded me
of that piece of yours from from 2021. It's like, yeah, that's
that's where we're at. Now,
John C Dvorak: as a good piece. By the way, there's
Adam Curry: a very good piece.
John C Dvorak: Now, I'm not going to disagree with anything
you had to say. And I think people should be listened to I
think, listening to a podcast in the background while you're
doing something else, which is what a lot of people do, I think
is, is okay. But But jamming it in at 1.5. Because it's all it's
three hours. Oh, I can't I don't have time for that. Well, you
don't you have podcasts or not television? No, even though the
best television is, as I think it was, some of the early
producers in the 50s and 60s would talk about television as
being casual. So a good TV show, sitcom or other when they were
more popular. This doesn't apply to dramas as much, but to
sitcoms where you can just come and go you don't have to sit and
watch the whole show. You can just watch bits and pieces of it
while you do other things. Yeah was considered the way to do
television back in the day. This
Adam Curry: is another point that I'd like to bring up. Why
do you need to watch people with headphones on and microphones in
front of their faces
John C Dvorak: but that joke a that's a I think that's a
different time. But but it's part of that most of it that
makes no sense sense at all to me that
Adam Curry: I want to I want to see people you can blame Howard
John C Dvorak: Stern for that
Adam Curry: was it though
John C Dvorak: now you will edge also that other guy that guy the
the the outrage
Adam Curry: outro Well which one pick them
John C Dvorak: but I'm talking about the what the outrage guy
who went on and and video at his radio show
Adam Curry: Alex Jones
John C Dvorak: No no no this up to a pure radio guy. Famous
Imus, Imus Yeah,
Adam Curry: I miss Don Imus Imus in the Morning.
John C Dvorak: I think I miss babe in the first guy maybe?
Yeah, well, all radio
Adam Curry: stations around the world do it now and but people
are drawn to it. I'm not quite sure why. But anyway, my point
is, I just don't think it's healthy because you are missing
context. Forget, forget that I've that. I think we're making
art here. That's okay. Art. You know, I always say, would you
jog past the Mona Lisa, jog past the Mona Lisa, don't take a look
at it. But that but besides that is just not healthy. And I worry
for people who don't see what's happening. And it's like Gene,
sir gene man, he listened he he recommends people listen to his
own podcast and 1.5 speed. This is crazy. Let's do this.
John C Dvorak: Hello. Now while I'm talking to you, and you hear
me in normal speed, stop it. Okay.
Adam Curry: Hopefully that'll come through to
John C Dvorak: people. I think that overlooked point here
because you've gone past it is that if you listen at 1.5 speed,
you will never hear a deep fake.
Adam Curry: No, the exactly. You won't hear the deep fakes.
John C Dvorak: You can you can be buffaloed and
Adam Curry: it's getting better. It really is this kind of here's
an example of one because you know, of course our president
was in Ukraine. Lottie da so here's this shows up. Biden hot
mic in Poland, these three objects for most likely, this is
Biden answering some questions and then he walks away. And then
the press are yelling at him. And apparently he has a hot mic
batch backstage wounds tied
Unknown: to private companies studying whether or conducting
other scientific research
Adam Curry: is good. If you can hear. Do you think they bought
that bullshit? And someone says Yeah, completely, sir. All
right. Let's get out of here. I mean, you can't even hear it.
You can't even hear it. Listen to it. Normally.
John C Dvorak: I think that's the way you have to do it.
Adam Curry: Well, I did that kind of hot mic stuff.
John C Dvorak: But if you're gonna do a fake Hi, Hi, Mike.
Yeah, but it
Adam Curry: was bad. It was a bad fake because I heard it a
waiter says that's not that's not Biden. That's not the same
Biden who just walked off stage
John C Dvorak: No, but no, at the end of his speech, Biden's
not going to be that area died. He's going to be tired. Right?
But you have to have a tired stumbling. You have to have a
hot Biden at the beginning.
Adam Curry: But if you listen to it at double speed you're gonna
miss it. Oh, god, that's great. Let me send it to Adam. Let me
post it on telegram and I've been catching haha man. I can't
believe you know the Matt Lee clip. This is another problem we
have which relates to your article The Matt Lee clip of him
braiding as it Jake, I guess about a week or or about about
NATO moving closer to Russia. Turns out that was from 2019. I
guess we'd missed that clip. Because if I if I hear a clip I
usually detect that we played it before. But the internet is a
cesspool. And all I'm seeing now so
John C Dvorak: you found that was for 2019 year must have been
are very, very,
Adam Curry: very irksome. Yes, of course. Of course. That
happens.
John C Dvorak: I didn't catch it either. I didn't know that there
was an old clip we you know people shouldn't should be
careful like everyone so I get an old clip for someone I said
did you look at the date on that clip and then they get very
embarrassed. But yeah, it's that's a huge problem.
Adam Curry: Like apparently, you know, Biden fell up the stairs
again, leaving Poland and people were sending me the old clip of
him following
John C Dvorak: that same old clip. Yeah. Anyway, we'll leave
it did the one I saw recently and I don't know what it was.
Nobody else seems to be able to identify the one who
Adam Curry: fell down from halfway down the stairs. That
was the back of the plane. So I must have been pressed as
different. I'm just saying it because I love everybody and I
see that you're you've been captured, and the more people I
see who are yelling at you Yeah, you know, literally like Elon is
gonna save us Twitter files. No, no, no one's coming to save you.
You know, and goldsworth We definitely have to talk about
Project Veritas. But I don't know if James O'Keefe is going
to rise again and save all of you. The only thing that can
save you is you and your community, probably best
community you have is the no agenda show go to a meet up.
Because all of the rest is just it's really going downhill to
the to the fact where it's hard to even get anything from our
own media that is worthwhile. I'm not gonna clip something
about how Fox News is trying to take down CNN as the lead story
in primetime 20 minutes of Donald Lamont okay, very funny
the first time you said it, you know, this is this is this,
these are the stories
John C Dvorak: or this thing is getting a little a little old to
Adam Curry: be lead story. So, I was like, Wow, all right. Enough
complaining i
John C Dvorak: It's only that was a good day. I was a lot of
complaining at the beginning. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I want to look out for everybody. I love everybody.
And I'm I'm kind of concerned about this. Blow me this. About
people listening. It's not good for you. It's not harmonious. it
hijacks your nervous system when you do this with a podcast. Now,
let's play a super
John C Dvorak: card away since you mentioned him. You mentioned
the pool man. I find I find that the definitive clip of em in a
nutshell.
Adam Curry: Okay. And also, I think it's not a good idea for
shows to be bashing other shows.
John C Dvorak: I agree with that. But this is just a just
Tim Poole in a nutshell ISO. Second together ISOs Oh, yeah,
Adam Curry: I got here we go.
Unknown: Now I'm gonna burst your bubble everybody.
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Breaking up breaking breaking.
John C Dvorak: I let me listen to one of his shows because he
was he went on one topic for like an hour. Did he bust your
bubble wild?
Adam Curry: Do you bust your bubble?
John C Dvorak: He says that phrase. Uh huh. At least once
every 15 minutes.
Adam Curry: I've got to bust your bubble, everybody. Here's a
supercut of your media. We're not talking about John Lamont of
CNN. Here's how they talk about the very courageous President of
the United States of America. Joe Biden
Unknown: has put solidarity ahead of his own personal safety
air raid
sirens and no real guarantee of security as air raid sirens
blaring
was incredibly dramatic. Andrea, it was historic as well
historic,
timely, and brave, the first American President to go to a
warzone. Though US military presence for security on the
ground.
American presidents have made dramatic trips before Nixon to
China, Kennedy Reagan to the Berlin Wall and presidents have
visited US troops in war zones but never like this
to find a day of this kind of presidential bravery in a war
zone.
You've got to go all the way back to 1864. With Biden's trip
to Europe, you
know he is he is welcomed as not only the frankly the savior of
Ukraine, but also the savior of Europe as a whole is historic.
It's
the first time that a US president has gone into an
active war zone that the US military does not have control
over and against all odds. It was successful.
The continuing threat quite literally sounding all around
the two leaders.
This guy's here are not safe. And in fact an air raid siren
went off while President Biden
was here
seeing the American President they're walking the streets of
tea while air raid sirens literally sounded in that
moment. about possible incoming fire from Russia of the wail of
an air raid siren air raid sirens
wailing in the background, seemingly undeterred by an air
raid siren undeterred,
by the sound of air sirens, President Biden's ability
with aviators on
broad daylight and keys, the swagger
of this trip, not just the execution of the secrecy, but
the swagger of it on display on the streets of Kyiv.
Adam Curry: Oh man, just swagger, the swagger of it
John C Dvorak: the guy can barely walk this and by the way,
anybody who listen to any reasonable report on this said
the Air Race Island was fake.
Adam Curry: Completely phony hadn't been one for five days.
The minute he steps onto the streets, they they let it go
off.
John C Dvorak: If this was Trump, all you do to hear the
same eight holes that you just heard all talking about photo
op, and we went in there for a photo op with a phony siren.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Now, it went even deeper, very
respectful people here on CNN, Doug Brinkley, what is it, what
it what it reminds you have
Unknown: Doug, who as our resident historian here placed
this in the context in the pantheon of presidential visits
to
Adam Curry: place this in the context of the pantheon of
presidential visits. warzones presidents have visited Iraq and
have You understand in recent years, but those were US wars.
This is a Ukrainian war. I love this. It was a US war. This is
Ukrainian. We have nothing to do with this.
John C Dvorak: There's nothing to do.
Adam Curry: There's no US soldiers involved anywhere. No
advisors, no one, no one, no training, nothing. I mean, we're
not in control of this area at all our weapons, but we're not
in control. No US military presence on the ground, how
significant. It's extremely
John C Dvorak: significant. The United States is wedded more to
the Ukraine than ever before. I go back to history and think of
Roosevelt and Churchill,
Adam Curry: I love a guy who's a historian who says the Ukraine,
that's it that always makes me feel like the guy's a good
historian
John C Dvorak: to the Ukraine than ever before. I go back to
history and think of Roosevelt and Churchill, when FDR had to
sneak off in the dead of night even had a body double at one
point to first meet Winston Churchill, off the coast of
Newfoundland. And then of course, you had all those World
War Two found
Adam Curry: newfound land. Even I would say Newfoundland, but
now newfound land off the coast
John C Dvorak: of Newfoundland. And then of course, you had all
those world war two meetings between Churchill, it's worth
mentioning Churchill, co Solinsky, has been called the
Church of Our generation by going there today, I think it's
going to be a moment and for the history books, when John F.
Kennedy went to Berlin, on 1961, and gave a speech at the height
of the Cold War, Ukraine is the new Berlin, it's the rallying
point for NATO in the Western Allies. And I think Biden did
something really
Adam Curry: heroic. It's the new Berlin,
John C Dvorak: take down that wall.
Adam Curry: It's got to be something like well, actually,
Putin, President Putin had a speech he addressed the nation,
I guess he addressed the his, his military and all the muckety
mucks. He does that several times a year. And it was about
an hour and a half. And that were a couple of translated
versions. I picked a clip from what I thought was a lady who
did a just a great job on translating, I love for nuances
Unknown: want to create conflict situations, situations at our
borders, by new European do the same pattern all along in the
whole 20th century. It's to when you where you turn any form of
action against Russia, we are not waging war with the Ukraine,
as we know that they are in a hostage situation. They have
been politically and militarily occupied by the Westerners.
Cranium. Industry, a natural riches were plundered, and it's
led to social degradation. And we just, it's really not
difficult to see why military actions have to be launched bgn
it was all with the perfect pad. The idea was to turn them into a
pool conditioner. And this the responsibility of the Western
elites of military elites of lots of foreigners to the
Ukrainian regime down not trying to support the interest of the
Ukrainian people. They are dressed using this as
they want to take it. They have launched new offensives.
Adam Curry: All right. So this is kind of the story we know.
And I and it was interesting that Putin says, Well, you know,
they're in a hostage situation, we have to, we have to go save
them. As if coordinated. Former President Trump clearly a puppet
for Putin, from his new Trump club. 47. Always a marketing man
that said this,
Unknown: World War Three has never been closer than it is
right now. We need to clean house of all of the war mongers
and America last globalist and the deep state, the Pentagon,
the State Department and the National Security industrial
complex. One of the reasons I was the only president in
generations who didn't start a war is that I was the only
president who rejected the catastrophic advice of many of
Washington's generals, bureaucrats and the so called
diplomats who only know how to get us into conflict, but they
don't know how to get us out. For decades, we've had the very
same people such as Victoria Nuland, and many others just
like her up faced with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to
mention the State Department support for uprisings in
Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long
time, much like the case in Iraq than other parts of the world.
And now, we're teetering on the brink of world war three. And a
lot of people don't see it, but I see it. And I've been right
about a lot of things. They all say Trump's been right about
everything, all of them, none of this excuses in any way, the
outrageous and horrible invasion of Ukraine one year ago, which
would have never happened if I was your president, not even a
little chance.
Adam Curry: So a very interesting what he says there,
at least, let's take those two things together at Deutsche
Avella, you know, we have to go outside of our own borders to
get any kind of media to deconstruct or that's even worth
playing. Because it's about Dungloe mom, Deutsche Avella,
did a report on where most of the Ukrainians fled to. Now this
was eye opening. Because I think it's five or 7 million people
have fled Ukraine. We know that many of them have gone to
Europe. But let's really find out where most people fled from
Ukraine and where they went to.
Unknown: The United Nations says that since the invasion last
February, more than 8 million Ukrainians have left their
homeland. So where are they now let's take a look at the map. It
may surprise you. Top of the list, believe it or not, Russia,
it has taken in 2.8 5 million new grads. That's the number
that have crossed the border since last February, after
Russia, Poland. It's a very supportive neighbor of Ukraine,
which we've reported on numerous times it has seen an influx of
more than one and a half million Ukrainians in the past year. And
then right here in Germany, more than 1 million Ukrainians have
arrived here since the war began the capital Berlin where we are
has registered more than 100,000 Ukrainians. Then there is the
Czech Republic, which is taken in and you see right there
500,000 Ukrainians, they've sought refuge there that is the
equivalent of about 5% of that country's population. These are
big numbers, big movements of people.
Adam Curry: Yeah, who would have known almost 3 million went to
Russia, because you know, they hate Russia.
John C Dvorak: Well, you have to assume those are the Donbass
people, because a lot of them, a lot of which are Russians base
didn't there's a lot of Russians in Ukraine, a lot of Ukrainians
in Russia. Oh,
Adam Curry: I'm a little unclear about where we're sending all of
these weapons.
John C Dvorak: Oh, but some of them are probably going to
Somali, the Ukrainians were going to other parts of Africa
via Ukraine, and I'm sure they who knows what's going on with
the bullets. I mean, they're supposed to be this way where I
was listening to one report. Well, it's an artillery war is
what is artillery wood there? What's the need for all these
bullets?
Adam Curry: I mean, this is France 24. There on the Eastern
Front, surprising report.
Unknown: We just back from the eastern front line in this
ongoing and intense conflict. And the situation there remains
very difficult indeed, our team was in the trenches alongside
Ukrainian soldiers operating an artillery unit, the material
dated from the 1970s to Viet union.
Adam Curry: How come they're using 1970 stuff? Didn't we say
this is the front line? Right? Yeah, the
John C Dvorak: front line should have are a good stuff, how come
are the 1970s style stuff,
Unknown: and they say they are struggling to get enough
ammunition for that they're worried about that, as they head
forward into spring and into the summer when they would hope to
be going on the offensive at the moment. They're trying to hold
the Ukrainian line in the face of waves and waves of Russian
soldiers men advancing, which they see with drone technology.
So that push very much underway, they say, and they are firing
1000s of cells every day to try and hold the line.
Adam Curry: None of this makes sense.
John C Dvorak: Know that what you just said if you start to
think about it, there's only one real front line. Which is that
where she was? Yeah. And they don't ask where all our stuff
should be where where's our stuff? As you said
Adam Curry: in Africa? Uh, yeah. It's, it's already moving down.
I mean, the mercenaries from what I understand are already
moving down to Africa getting ready for the next confrontation
and
John C Dvorak: action going to take place in Africa. I
Adam Curry: think you have to bite us right? That's right.
John C Dvorak: Here's a couple of clips from die. You made this
comment earlier. You have to go out of the country to get a
news. Pretty much all my clips today are from China. some
podcasts in NHK lot of na
Adam Curry: TAS I hope we listened to them real fast.
John C Dvorak: I do always listen to 1.75 Ooh, nice. Sounds
like they all sound like Trini Lopez. So if I had a hammer
there's a reference. Nobody got it. I got it. Yeah, you would
get a job in Ukraine. China kvetching NHK.
Unknown: China's Foreign Minister says
certain countries should stop fueling the fire in the Ukraine
conflict. Shingon was apparently referring to the US and its
allies don't want to tumble which China
is deeply worried about the conflict could spiral out of
control.
Chen was speaking to stay in Beijing. This comes after
Washington issued its own warning to Beijing. US Secretary
of State Antony Blinken on Saturday told China's top
diplomat one way that he's concerned Beijing may provide
lethal support to Russia. Beijing had bagged by saying
it's the US and not China that's been sending weapons to the
battlefield in Ukraine.
Adam Curry: Yeah, this this is now a narrative that I'm hearing
in the US media in the Western media is Oh, China. So now
they're and that's exactly how they do it. What China? They're
John C Dvorak: really this pronunciation of Bae Jin Zhen is
Adam Curry: new for me.
John C Dvorak: I've never heard it before, but that's what
they're calling it. That just reminds me to Turkey. Ah,
Turkey. Turkey.
Adam Curry: Let me go ahead.
John C Dvorak: Maybe we're gonna just start calling it Bae Jin
Adam Curry: Jin, I like Beijing. I left my chin in obey Jin.
Here's Meet the Press with Chip chip. Chuck Chuck Todd Gregory
with Antony Blinken bringing in the Chinese
Unknown: this concern that China is considering belief of
potential lethal aid in this war to Russia. What evidence can you
share with us? That indicates your concern that they're going
to escalate their help to Russia, as you said they've been
helping them rhetorically. They've been helping them maybe
by buying cheap oil. But what is the other evidence that you have
here that they're thinking about doing more? Well, China's having
tried to have it both ways, publicly present themselves.
Adam Curry: China's gonna have it both ways. There. There
really is this smokin hot these Chinese man, China's having
tried to have it both ways. Publicly, they present
themselves as a country striving for for peace in Ukraine. But
privately, as I said, we've seen already over these these past
months, the provision of non lethal assistance that does go
directly to aiding and abetting Russia's war effort. And that
indicates that they are strongly considering providing lethal
assistance to Russia. That what a bullshit answer. Well, the
historically indicating it, can you maybe explain how
Unknown: this concern that China is considering belief, the
potential lethal aid potential in this war to Russia? What
evidence can you share? Wait, is that the
Adam Curry: same clip I just played? sounds the same as it is
thus? The same one I just played second 5252 5050 to
Unknown: this concern, publicly, they present
Adam Curry: the same clip. Sorry about that. Anyway, there you
go. It has no proof. He's just saying it. No, you know, is
there they're considering I'd put a lethal age. Mark my words
on a Blinken.
John C Dvorak: But we're doing lethal aid.
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes. Now the United Nations. They're, they're
dead. They don't want this United Nations is figuring out
that the US I would have to say we are bad actors here. And that
we have effectively cut off Europe's supply of of energy for
Germany to create stuff. And everyone's kind of
John C Dvorak: big for their britches.
Adam Curry: Yes,
John C Dvorak: we are. Everyone's not us. Germany was
Oh, yeah. Well, it depends on what we have to do is make it a
little more difficult or at least get a piece of the action.
It
Adam Curry: was well, we didn't get a piece of the action. We
blowed it all up. And now the United Nations is trying to
figure out how we can bring peace. The language
Unknown: of the new resolution is one of urgency. It is also
carefully formulated in general terms, aiming to garner as much
support as possible. The text drafted by Ukraine with help
from allies underscores the urgency to find a comprehensive,
just and lasting peace. It also demands a cessation of
hostilities, not a ceasefire and an unconditional and complete
withdrawal of Russian forces from the territory of Ukraine
within its internationally recognized borders. including
the four regions unilaterally annexed by Russia last year. But
it makes no direct reference to President Volodymyr Zelensky 10
Point peace plan presented at the G 20. summit in November.
The aim is to make it more difficult not to back the text
to previous resolutions over the past year were adopted with an
overwhelming majority. However, Russia did find support from its
friends and allies, the first one in March, condemning
Russia's invasion and demanding an immediate end to its military
operations. So five countries voting against Russia, Belarus,
North Korea, Eritrea and Syria 35 others abstained mostly in
Asia and Africa. resolution adopted in the wake of Russia's
illegal annexation of four regions in eastern Ukraine.
Again, so five votes against and 35 Abstentions. This time
Eritrea abstained instead of voting no, while Nicaragua
joined the new camp. Once again, a majority of abstentions came
from Africa, where many countries rely on Russia and
grain exports. Alongside China and India. Two big buyers of
Russian oil. Turkey, meanwhile, approved both resolutions. This
week. 191 members are eligible to vote with Lebanon and
Venezuela temporarily suspended due to arrears in the payment of
their financial contributions.
Adam Curry: I didn't know that if you didn't pay your dues. You
don't get to vote. I mean, it sounds fair. But Hello. That's
kind of odd. How much in arrears are they? Well, these votes are
useless. Yeah, but the sending message people they don't want
it they don't really want it. For France 24 Then you getting
so much the reporting slanted or not? At least they're they're
reporting kind of on instead of these. Hi, Jackie, click click
baity headlines from from the US media. And this is France 24.
You know as Biden is promising a lot now he's been a lot of money
being promised. I love this reporters gaff
Unknown: we just heard there from David that Joe Biden is now
heading to Poland. What do we expect from his trip? There are
a few things. A little overlooked. Poland is hoping
that this visit from Bowdoin I met Joe Biden will.
Adam Curry: Bow Jaiden Thank you, thank you no agenda show
creeping into her nervous system
Unknown: is hoping that this visit from Bowdoin I met divided
will underline that the US is 100% behind Poland and that
Eastern Flank of NATO because it really matters for investors who
are going to get cold feet about investing in Poland. So
Adam Curry: we're gonna be rebuilding a straightforward,
the image
Unknown: of Joe Biden saying We pledge whatever it takes for
Ukraine. And that strong image is very important to Poland.
Beyond that the Polish are keen to try to persuade a Biden to
push this idea of some sort of partnership, guaranteeing
security for Ukraine after the war. Now, NATO membership itself
is of course, much more complicated. The Polish have in
mind something along the lines of the partnership between the
US and Israel, where there is a commitment to stand by Israel.
And so they're pushing that idea
Adam Curry: like Israel. That's an interesting analogy. Make it
like Israel. I thought that was like what?
John C Dvorak: It's kind of it's funny, the polling suggests that
because polling in Israel are at odds, I would say, some has no
they are I mean, it's historical study. I get a visa. Yeah. It to
a back and forth a poll that used to be wide open. You didn't
need a visa, but they've locked that down. And it has a lot to
do with the Israeli lobby. Well, they're still pissed at Poland
for World War Two.
Adam Curry: Well, if you'll remember everyone's all lovey
dovey right now with Poland but there were entire Senate
meetings over sanctioning Poland because they hadn't apologized.
Remember that?
John C Dvorak: Vaguely Yeah, let me see. Can you remember again
let's play this one this is another little aspect is another
dimension to this war, which is now the START treaty. So we're
gonna show this is a good news for you guys who are building
these expensive bombs START Treaty then. This is an
interesting clip because it's a NHK again, and they go from one
topic to another very seamlessly.
Unknown: Russia's parliament approved the suspension of the
remaining nuclear arms control treaty. It had signed with the
United States purge and had announced on Tuesday, Moscow was
halting its participation in the New START Treaty.
That is Western nations. that started the war and we
supposedly are using our force to stop with your estimated
plastron leaders rejected Putin's claim.
Nobody is attacking Russia. Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine
is the victim of aggression.
Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia. Our support for
Ukraine will not waver.
They're digging in their heels as the war continues and causes
more and more casualties. Putin spoke at a rally in Moscow State
in a Moscow stadium and called for national unity. Russian
media reports say about 200,000 government supporters attended
the rally.
John C Dvorak: I liked the way they phrased that one. That's a
good little deconstruction there. So Putin did a Trump leg
rally in a stadium. And he got 200,000 people to show up. They
forced them at gunpoint, obviously. So they they make it
sound they say they call it government supporters, not Putin
supporters, or just now that is a good phrasing, isn't it?
Russians want to want to see the guy because he's not normally
you don't see him that often. But it was a Modi side, Modi
could get these kinds of crowds. Oh,
Adam Curry: you got your number outs? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: When Trump visited Modi in India, he said,
Oh, man, I wish I could get crowds like this. Well, Putin
can. And he, and they downplay it as government support just a
bunch of people given the day off, I guess, and it's got to go
to this stadium. Now one
Adam Curry: of the countries in the EU that has trying to avoid
getting wrapped up in all of this is Hungary. Hungary is has
been very ugly stepchild of the of the EU rejecting vaccine
mandates rejecting the thing, even the Pfizer is on track of
immigrants, literally saying, we want to keep our country with a
with our Christian, or what do they say? Their their, their
Christian values? Not quite sure exactly. What the phrase
something like that is about that. Yeah, it's about Yeah,
it's about they don't want Muslim immigrants. And
certainly, would they say they're not immigrants, if you
if you want to immigrate into our country, there's ways to do
it just walking across the border, you're not an immigrant,
you know, the kind of stuff you might say about a sovereign
country? Which is rare. Yes. And so the problem, is there a
problem. And this and I want you to pay close attention, slow it
down to one to one time speed, everybody, you're going to need
to hear it in real time so you can hear the nuance of evil.
This is Samantha Power.
Unknown: As USAID Administrator, I have the chance to travel all
around the world to engage with people who are working every day
to strengthen democratic institutions to build
independent media, and to promote and protect human
rights. I'm here in Hungary, one of the countries in Central
Europe, where USAID has recently relaunched programming to tackle
just these challenges. I'm gonna spend the next couple days
engaging with Hungarians about their vision for a brighter
future.
Adam Curry: Regime Change incoming color revolution
John C Dvorak: USA IDs gone in there. Is that what she says?
She's
Adam Curry: now she's now the administrator of USA ID.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's that's the that's the jackals that were
B. Yes. And I love the the book, Confessions of an economic
hitman, which new listeners don't know, we went on, we were
pushing this book for a long time. It's a good book to read
Adam Curry: the original, the original, not until they got to
him. The second, not
John C Dvorak: as good. It talks about how this works. And USA
ideas a big part? Well, here's
Adam Curry: my favorite little snippet in here.
Unknown: I travel all around the world to engage with people who
are working every day to strengthen democratic
institutions to build independent media
Adam Curry: to build independent media that's independent. I
mean, she right there.
John C Dvorak: That's the one US propaganda sources.
Adam Curry: I hate to be so anti us, but holy crap, we are Dixon,
this
John C Dvorak: was some of these people. Our problem is not the
US itself. No, thank
Adam Curry: you, that makes
John C Dvorak: people if he's the those woman,
Adam Curry: that woman specifically,
John C Dvorak: specifically Nudelman the other one Oh, man.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And you know, and I went around looking
because I keep hearing or keep reading. You know, well, Putin
wants to rebuild the Russian Empire. And you go looking for a
source. And the only people who say this are Ukrainians. That's
all I get. It's like did when did Putin say he wants to
rebuild the Russian Empire or the Soviet empire? And you
always get back, according to a Ukrainian official, or, you
know, or an American official, but I've not actually if someone
could send it to me, I'd love to have it. I'd love to to have a
clip or anything or even a written statement. I'll accept
that Putin saying he wants to read store the Russian Empire
back to its imperial glory. I mean, as far as I can tell,
that's just a lie. Surprise.
John C Dvorak: It's an extrapolation of some things he
said. He said, You know, it was the glory days or something. He
made some Jew references. He never said it was good. rapidly
from his wife. He said that that he means this. That's our boys
at work now. Well,
Adam Curry: our boys do do good job. But they should just
propagandize other people stop doing it to us. Yeah, I do have
something on this. Let me see on the START treaty, from actually
let's just play these two clips. Here we have this is a CBS
Evening News, Ed O'Keefe Biden reassuring our NATO
Unknown: President Biden today sought to assure the eastern
most members of NATO that the US would stand with them in the
event of a Russian invasion, you're the
frontlines of our collective defense. And you're no better
than anyone. What's at stake in this conflict, not just for
Ukraine, but for the freedom democracies throughout Europe
and around the world freedom. The
meeting kept a trip that began in session in Kyiv, designed to
reiterate American support for Ukraine, but it ended as a
barrage of Russian missiles hit the northeastern city of Harkey,
the war raging on in Moscow President Vladimir Putin rally
the large flag waving crowd praising courageous Russian
soldiers, making no mention of mountain casualties.
Adam Curry: Why didn't you say government workers
Unknown: who's also held talks with China's top envoy one year,
US officials voiced concern this week the Chinese could supply
lethal military aid to the Russian army, we've made very
clear to them that that would cause a serious problem for us.
Both countries
Adam Curry: this this thing is sweet and beautifully. I mean,
you don't need to see video with this report it clear to them
that that would cause a serious problem for us.
Unknown: Both countries flex their military might today and
drills off the South African coast. The US officials
criticized Putin's decision Tuesday to suspend participation
in the last remaining nuclear arms treaty between the two
countries asked about it today. President Biden had this to say
Adam Curry: I can't even understand what he said on that
report.
John C Dvorak: That was a big mistake. Oh, big
Adam Curry: mistake. Well, there's a continuation about the
START treaty,
Unknown: that arms treaty caps the number of nuclear warheads
the US and Russia can have and allows for mutual inspection of
each other's programs. But the inspections were stopped during
the pandemic. So suspending them further would mean the US would
know even less about Russia's nuclear capabilities and
intentions
John C Dvorak: and intentions and intentions. Why don't they
go? recited? We're the ones who cut the deal off. Was it him?
Was it Putin?
Adam Curry: And it was suspended? Not not not don not,
you know, not ended. It's suspended. I'm
John C Dvorak: talking to Putin until he gets out of Ukraine.
Adam Curry: That's right. That's right. Well, right.
John C Dvorak: Well, I don't have any more on Ukraine.
Adam Curry: The only thing I have is one of our Dutch
producers. Young Vilem, he did a pretty good breakdown of Euro,
just the euro. Just this is what Queen Ursula has put together to
to I guess, to convict Putin. And it's really just a desk
somewhere within the joint investigation team. But now it's
a statement here from Ursula Russia must be held accountable
in courts for its odious crimes. Prosecutors from Ukraine and the
European Union are already working together. We are
collecting evidence. As a first step, I am pleased to announce
that an international center for the prosecution of the crime of
aggression, which is new, which is also is the ICPC Okay, so
it's a new thing we can sign on to the crime of aggression. Yes,
the International Center for the prosecution of the crime of
aggression.
John C Dvorak: Aggressive is a crock and odd during the Bush
administration may qualify.
Adam Curry: Well, you can't do that after the fact.
John C Dvorak: You can they can shrug promising to do it after
the fact.
Adam Curry: This will be set up in The Hague, of course, the
center will coordinate the collection of evidence it will
be embedded in the joint investigation team which is
supported by our agency Euro just we'll be there which is
your which is the new EU police force. Come on people. We'll be
ready to launch work very rapidly with Euro just with
Ukraine with the partners of our joint investigation team as well
as the Netherlands. Yes, the perpetrator must be held
accountable. And through all this, this is almost like a
Dutch or an EU Patriot Act. You're gonna get police secret
police. You now because you accrue for crimes of aggression.
They come after anybody. It's also obvious
John C Dvorak: My mother had been working on this for a
while, for a long time. Yeah, didn't know the health rules are
gonna get where they could shoot you if you refuse to get a
vaccination or Cindy was some law that
Adam Curry: passed. No, no, no, it was it's in the protocols of
the Lisbon Treaty. And it's two separate things. One as you can
be arrested if you have a communicable disease anywhere in
the EU, and the second if you are running away from law
enforcement and they shoot you in the back, it's legal to legal
kill.
John C Dvorak: All right, that was it. Yes. Running. That's not
good. I
Adam Curry: got a note from one of our producers about some of
the influx of Ukrainian refugees. Our producer lives in
Croatia. Ukrainians increased rental prices in Zagreb, to
about twice to what they were. Here's how it works. They post
an ad on Facebook, quote, woman with two kids looking for an
apartment in Zagreb two bedrooms 800 euros. Next day, all two
bedroom apartments are 800 euros and more, which is about the
amount of money that the state is giving to these refugees. 800
euros. So now, the rent is doubled everywhere because of
this, of what how this has been handled. He says Tinder was also
flooded, which I'm not quite sure what he meant by that. But
he said Tinder is also flooded, I
John C Dvorak: guess, Tinder? I guess Ukrainian women what he
expected that was exactly
Adam Curry: I think that's what he's
John C Dvorak: what he's alluding to. That's what he's
implying. But it is when said no.
Adam Curry: This is this is a disaster. It's a disaster.
John C Dvorak: Well, it's kind of on the same line of thinking.
Let's play this clip. This is from NHK. to This is Russia,
China. Becoming pals
Unknown: diplomatic movements are heating up ahead of the
first anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russian
President Vladimir Putin held talks was this Ben
Adam Curry: Shapiro's side gig side hustle this is great, this
is Shapiro. Slow down. No.
John C Dvorak: You I'm I'm gonna have to listen with me. I know
who this guy is. And I've seen him thinking of anybody else but
now what you mentioned is possible he's close your
Adam Curry: eyes, close your eyes and hear Ben Shapiro
Unknown: diplomatic movements are heating up ahead of the
first anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russian
President Vladimir Putin talks Wednesday with China's top
diplomat Wang Yi. Russian Chinese
relations are developing just as we planned in previous years.
Everything is moving forward developing as we are reaching
new milestones listed below luxury. Mr.
Putin said he expects trade between their countries to reach
$200 billion by 2024. He also said he's waiting for Chinese
President Xi Jinping to visit Moscow for a summit as planned,
Wang replied, relations between their nations are mature,
resilient and stable.
Adam Curry: We would like to emphasize once again that the
comprehensive strategic partnership between Russia and
China has never been directed against a third party, and is
certainly not subjected to interference and provocation by
any third party. So what does this all mean?
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm, you know, I was thinking about this.
Russia and China have been butting up against each other.
So forever. Yeah. The Russia attack by them. They share a
huge border, and the Russians were attacked by the Mongols
back in the day and they've always had you there's always
been these disputes, and there's always been the fear and during
the Nixon Kissinger thing where they reopened China, thank you
for that. There was always this fear that their comment that
Adam Curry: you got a cheap mic because of that. Okay, so be
thankful
John C Dvorak: that this is the American mic the PR 40s
Adam Curry: Do you have I do have I have a cheap Chinese
cradle.
John C Dvorak: I do have a cheap Chinese cradle and it works
great. Okay. And you should be thankful too, because you don't
hear me banging into thing. Oh, you said
Adam Curry: thanks for that. Oh, you miss it. You're sincere. I'm
sorry. I got it.
John C Dvorak: And so yes, was sincere. It's a nice product.
And it's cheap, very cheap. It's like everything else. It'll
break break. Best Price. Now it'll break. Brom is like all
this stuff, it'll break. So. So when when Nixon and Kissinger
put this thing together, they were there was this fear that
because of the common to the commonality of communism, that
Russia and China would join up forces and it'd be the dominant
factor in the world. But if their history goes back, if
these guys were ever going to get along, they would have got
along by now, China and Russia. There's something about those
two cultures. It's just obvious that they don't really you know,
do that People don't like different kinds of people for
whatever reason. But these two, they don't like each other at
some base level. And yeah, they'll trade and you can run a
train through the country of your want. And you know, but
there's something wrong with that relationship. And Russia
really is wants to be more European, but we will let them
Adam Curry: know. We know, because how handy is this right
now? We you and by the way, I was just gonna say we use Russia
to get the green, the Green Deal. That's what it's called on
Europe, to push the hydrogen economy to make oil, isn't there
totally. They are the perfect foil. And I am amazed quite
frankly, considering the international terrorism and
terrorist act of sabotage, on their pipelines at the restraint
Russia has shown.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they had to know what happened.
Adam Curry: Well, they're now they've now called the UN
Security Committee, and said, Hey, we want an investigation.
Council Council. Thank you. We want an investigation on this.
We want to know what happened. Good luck with that?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Well, I gotta go. But at least making a
fuss. Yeah. But yeah, the Russians in the show. So I think
that we've already planned for the fact that the Russians and
the Chinese we must do our top guys have to know this, that the
Russians and the Chinese aren't? Yeah, they'll give you the
Chinese don't even want to give them bullets. I mean, they'll
give you we heard that we're getting some armaments and
bullets from North Korea. Yeah. Russians. Yeah. Oh, and
Adam Curry: I think that's probably part of the game is,
hey, tell Kim Jong on to shoot some shit over there. Yeah, it
could be, of course. Of course, what else? All of a sudden this
happened. It was interesting. Megyn Kelly. Because Tina
listens to Megyn. Kelly, she said, you know, she's a woman on
who's from North Korea. And he was horrible, you know, with her
story. And she was trafficked to China. And I said, you know,
this may I'll be done when you're when this happened, like
15 years ago, when she was 12, or whatever. I said, the story
may be true. In fact, a lot of it's likely very true. But the
reason that it's be pushed now is all of his reasons for this.
This you know, she has a book out Okay, so why all of a sudden
is a book about you know, the horrible life in North Korea
coming out? Isn't that directly related to China bad? I mean,
isn't this all part of this information war that's taking
place,
John C Dvorak: which brings me to a slew of clips Hey, now
Adam Curry: I set you up perfectly.
John C Dvorak: Let's listen to these clips. This is Japan and
China. This is by the way what's going on in Asia which nobody's
paying any attention to over here but there's all kinds of
action. In fact, I got a I put together a VPN lash app so I
could get T V New Zealand VPN
Adam Curry: lash up is this like a Rube Goldberg machine? You go
from one VPN through a second one? Well,
John C Dvorak: I'm when I tried to get to New Zealand TV they
would they real strict about who can look at their television. So
I then worked my way in and had a real bad VPN lashup. They had
a real bad storm
Adam Curry: there.
John C Dvorak: Yes, that that was a Gabriel if I had to have a
clip on that if you wanted to skip around. But no, let's play
this. Japan and China News one
Unknown: top officials from Japan and China say their
countries need to work together to tackle some difficult issues.
These were the first security talks in four years and came
amid growing tensions over Taiwan and accusations of
espionage. The Senior Foreign Affairs and Defense officials
showed signs of disagreement locking horns on several key
issues. Yamaga Shigeo broached the topic of spy balloons. The
Senior Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs says Japan
strongly suspect China flew them within its airspace. China shone
the spotlight on Japan's recent moves to boost defensive
capabilities which Beijing casts as a military buildup.
To be honest, China has serious concerns over Japan's release of
its new defence and security documents. It's collusion with
foreign forces and the negative moves such as its involvement in
the Taiwan issue, you don't have your general question.
Still the to agree on the need to keep an open dialogue to
avoid any unintended escalation and decided to create a new
hotline new coalition or neither is
Adam Curry: common understanding between the two countries
leaders of the need to build constructive and stable Japan
China relations. You could have labeled this this section of the
show was hot Asian action.
John C Dvorak: Japan and China in part two,
Unknown: China's Vice Minister also met with Japanese Foreign
Minister a high se Yoshimasa during his visit to Tokyo, I
actually likewise emphasize the need to allow both sides to air
concerns and work through disputes That trip was also an
opportunity for China to remind Tokyo of its importance as Japan
moves to strengthen ties with Beijing's rival the United
States. No.
John C Dvorak: Oh well United States now we have this clip
which is a way say is Beijing
Adam Curry: villa. Bae Jin is my Beijing is Belgian. We all know
this.
John C Dvorak: Beijing. Yeah. They gotta get together over
there.
Adam Curry: Yes, the Philippines. That's that's kind
of a problem that we've, we've moved in there. I would presume
that Well, here
Unknown: we go. The United States has reaffirmed its
commitment to the defense of the Philippines. It follows a flare
up of tensions in the South China Sea after Manila accused
the Chinese ship of pointing a laser at one of its ships.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke with his Philippine
counterpart. Carlito Galvez by phone
Adam Curry: was it a laser pointer like one of those deals,
John C Dvorak: or some sort of a weapon like um, directed energy
Adam Curry: weapon from space.
Unknown: Austin said attack and attack on a Philippine vessel
anywhere in the South China Sea would invoke the US mutual
defense commitment under a treaty between their countries
so the Philippine Coast Guard says a Chinese government ship
directed a military grade laser at its patrol vessel earlier
this month. Near the Spratly Islands. Beijing claims the ship
did not direct lasers at the crew or cause any damage. It
says the Chinese ship was compelled to respond because the
Philippine vessel entered Chinese waters without
permission. Austin agreed with Galvez The incident took place
inside the Philippine exclusive economic zone. They discussed
joint patrols in the South China Sea and further cooperation with
like minded nations like Japan that want to free and open Indo
Pacific Manila aims to expanded security cooperation with other
countries as well. It's melting joint patrols with Australia in
the South China Sea.
Adam Curry: I get a real strong Gulf of Tonkin vibe from what's
going on here.
John C Dvorak: There's something going on it's it gets active and
it's real active and listen to your I'll just play two more
clips. Does USA Taiwan meetings
Unknown: now senior officials from Taiwan this guy is working
on my nerves though.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, okay. We're gonna go leave him. Go to
someone worse.
Adam Curry: Let's play him first. It's only 50 seconds I
can handle it. Now.
Unknown: Senior officials from Taiwan have made a rare visit to
the US Capitol Region. Apparently the latest in a
series of US Capitol
Adam Curry: Region,
John C Dvorak: Washington, Virginia, Washington DC
Unknown: or dramatic exchanges. These sorts of talks have
frustrated Beijing at a time when it's Washington relations
remain fraught here are Taiwan's Foreign Minister Joseph Wu and
National Security Council Secretary General Wellington who
is entering the Virginia office of the American Institute in
Taiwan. Around the same time, US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy
Sherman and other senior officials were spotted. Taiwan
media say for about seven hours, the officials discussed
diplomacy and security. It comes days after sources told us
media, the Pentagon's top China official went to Taiwan, the US
and Taiwan have not had formal diplomatic ties for decades, and
neither has confirmed any official meetings.
Adam Curry: No one I appreciate. This was
John C Dvorak: not a meeting.
Adam Curry: No but what I appreciate about NHK and they
may also be based in Washington DC for all I know
John C Dvorak: that we may be but these reports are out of
Japan.
Adam Curry: I mean, when you listen to Deutsche Avella and
France 24 It's like you got Brits on on France. 24. You got
Americans on Deutsche Avella like I want to hear Deutsche
accents on Deutsche Avella and France Oksana on France 24 and
TRT I want to hear some turkey a accents
John C Dvorak: I know what you mean exactly noise me it's like
are you all see France 24 where they pride themselves at
bringing in British accented spooks good English speakers.
Yeah, spooks.
Adam Curry: It's gotta be spooks Oh, it's
John C Dvorak: totally suppose Well, this isn't a this this is
the last China thing. Now this is a baffling clip because I
can't understand a word they say because this is one of my clips
from New Zealand TV NZ channel one and it's like about the
Chinese and all this island hopping they're trying to take
over a bunch of islands and this is like on destroyed it's hard
to tell. 60 Minutes Australia has probably done the best job
of revealing much of what's going on there. We don't even
know it. We're just I don't know what brain the dark. Dark we're
in the dark. So what am I playing here baffling clip. Top
Unknown: members of the Pacific Islands Forum are meeting in
Fiji this week for a much needed special retreat. Tensions are
running high as security in the region becomes more fragile with
a number of nations including cannabis forming close relations
with China get about says return to the forum table this year
bringing renewed hope leaders will be able to patch up their
differences.
It was also have sorted out and Kitty bus has come back to this
meeting. So this meeting is to really make sure that Katie bus
does stay within the forum family for security reasons. And
as well as they really need to be at the table when discussing
big regional issues.
Climate change will also be high on the agenda with meaning
Pacific countries already experiencing destruction due to
extreme weather events.
John C Dvorak: Hmm. Yeah, events very odd. Yeah, they're really
good. I'm telling you. I'm going to try to get some more clips
from this New Zealand operation because their accent is hard to
hear. Yes, I would say they have a lot of idiosyncratic ways of
British Australians or you know the shrimp on the barbie you can
kind of follow what they have to say but these New Zealanders and
they do call themselves kiwis. Yeah. are very difficult to
understand.
Adam Curry: I did okay there until they pulled the rug and
took me to climate change. They jumped in. Did you see this?
This is one of those baffling things just going back to China.
The Aerospace intelligence space Twitter account space OS int
whatever that is. The post a selfie of one of our of the you
to dragon lady pilot? I don't know if that means the YouTube
is titled The dragon lady and it's the pilot or if the lady if
the pilot is a dragon lady, I don't know. circling above the
Chinese spy balloon?
John C Dvorak: Yes. The NHK website has a lot of photos of
it very
Adam Curry: confusing, very confusing to me. I mean, first
of all, why are you shooting a selfie on your phone when you're
you're actually in a high tech sophisticated surveillance
aircraft that has the best cameras? Why? How insulting to
give us a selfie.
John C Dvorak: And I want to ask some of our experts out there.
Why are we still flying the u two? And where it would I
thought this SR 70 was was benched
Adam Curry: the XR 71 or whatever it was?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is 70. I think it is 70. And but the
you choose an old pre dated plane. That's a plane from this
50s I think but it's a high altitude plane. I think it's
still in service. But why is it still in the service? And then I
understand there's a third plane that nobody's talking about.
That's really the plane they're flying, which is some?
Adam Curry: So this was 70,000 feet and this balloon was at
60,000 feet? Yeah. Very interesting.
John C Dvorak: Sounds right.
Adam Curry: None of it sounds right to me. I'll be on. I
John C Dvorak: mean, the numbers sound right.
Adam Curry: But you know, when you listen to these clips, when
you look at the whole world of selfies and tweets, and I mean,
aren't we just live
John C Dvorak: itself? This? Something's wrong with that?
Adam Curry: Aren't we just living in the matrix already? I
mean, you could just believe whatever you want to believe,
because you'll find something that's true for you. Yeah. I
don't know what Zuckerberg is building. We don't need the
glasses mark. It's already okay. Like Project Veritas. I want to
talk about Project Veritas for a moment.
John C Dvorak: I have nothing on this. Well, I don't have some
thoughts. And I've gotten letters and yes, well, also, but
Adam Curry: so we saw the I think everyone saw the James
O'Keefe video, which was done on Monday, Presidents Day. So no
one's at the office, except they're worse than people at the
office. And he was gathering his things. And from there on out,
it was like, okay, he has he has resigned. And then there's all
kinds of document and the board comes out with a with a memo
saying that he was cruel to employees and that, you know,
there's a question of, of misappropriating donor funds
717 $1,000 for charter jet, was this a 3030 minute flight? What
kind of charter jet can you get for 30 $17,000? You're not going
very far. He's
John C Dvorak: shared. I'm sorry. Shared.
Adam Curry: No, no, this just you're not getting very far for
that kind
John C Dvorak: of money. No, but if his share with 10 other
people.
Adam Curry: Now then he paid then he overpaid. You know,
$150,000 in, in black cars, which I presume is Uber X or
something. And the whole thing was just really like,
everything's very, very weird. And I've done a dive into some
things including their 2021 form 990 filing, which, and 2020 and
2019. And I've learned a few things and there's there's some
things coming out and maybe we can make some sense of what's
happening. If First of all, I wanted to mention that James
O'Keefe says several times in his video that nothing had
changed with the Way Project Veritas was doing business until
they did the big Pfizer takedown, which now, let's just
stop for a second. We have watched Veritas Project Veritas
and what they've done since really since the days of acorn,
which is, you know, when it was really just O'Keefe, you know,
get an undercover video himself during Obama's days. Yep. And I
would say we have used very little of their material because
it was patently unusable for audios above and we were
actually quite happy when we could assist and help them get
their audio cleaned up. We suggested a couple people that
could use and
John C Dvorak: once we stepped into the picture, all hell broke
loose zactly for them to do his Pfizer know,
Adam Curry: once John, I started helping to advise the executive
director all went to business, he went to shoot Corinne Devora
consulting group broke it now. So the first thing is, we have
to go back to our, our own producer, our Baron I believe,
who became the Executive Director of Vera toss just six
weeks ago, maybe, by itself interesting that that happened.
And he's an ex Wall Street guy, but hadn't been on Wall Street
for several years, from what I understand. He's
John C Dvorak: being excoriated on you know, agenda social by by
five or six people.
Adam Curry: And I think rightly so. Because no, no, well, no,
because his note was very clear. The board loves James, it's
gonna be okay. He's not been fired. And then, you know, James
O'Keefe, again, I see people who I love and respect. going off
the deep end, maybe they listen to James O'Keefe in two times
speed saying, oh, Keith brought the receipts not he actually
didn't bring any receipts. He just told us what he what he
believed was going on and what he felt and his side of the
story. So I did follow a receive a follow up email this morning
from our our producer, who was the executive director of both
of the nonprofits. And I'm going to share with him with you what
he wrote, because we've been sharing all of his stuff. So I
personally didn't say don't share this. And we're going to
get more IgM I've been on the phone nonstop. Outside of some
he had a family tragedy on Monday, which very sorry for he
says, That was the worst day of my life. I'll try to get you a
better update for Sunday, my brain is mush. Our journalists
and the rest of the team are dedicated to getting stories
while the board and James work things out again, he's not
fired, not ousted, not removed, did not resign. Many of the
things that were said in that video are not true. I was not
there as it was a Holiday Inn HQ was closed. So I worked from my
home office, I kind of wish I could have been there because I
could have interjected the truth a few times more to come. Okay,
so he is doubling down on what he told us. That's an
interesting development as far as I'm concerned. So here's what
I've
John C Dvorak: learned definitely extends the story. It
does.
Adam Curry: So I've looked through all the leaked memos,
and you know, and all the different things and read
everything the board had to say. But it was really the 990 that
interested me the most. And I'd become quite an expert at
reading form 990s. Throughout the course of 15 years or more
doing the show, I learned a lot about it from the keeper who
used to work exclusively in the nonprofit arena as the chief
communications officer. So she understands a lot of how this
works and how it functions. And the 990s you can glean a lot
mainly, the top line thing is interesting is how much money
did they bring in? And what did it go towards? These are the
things that are always interesting. And of course, one
of the reasons? Well, when you have a nonprofit, you have a lot
of reporting responsibility, you have to stay within certain
guidelines legally to remain a tax exempt nonprofit. So there's
unless someone's really faking numbers and lying that I'm going
to take this as true because it was filed with the IRS and more
on the IRS in a moment. So what is very interesting is James
O'Keefe talks about specifically that plane trip which the board
or according to the board letter, which and our executive
director is not a member of the board that's very important
understand there are there were three board members on the the
five OC three and I think two on the on the C four. But the end,
O'Keefe being one of the three board members of the IOC three
so it's really two people there's just one guy who may
have been early donor big petrol guy, and then Matthew tear mand
whose LinkedIn is like Ministry of Silly Walks you know, so this
this guy is suspect to me. I'm not quite Sure, I mean, you can
delve deep into his history, but whatever's going on, they
accused O'Keefe, of using the plane to fix his boat. And
O'Keefe said very clearly, I had three donor meetings in three
different cities in one day, I'm going to believe that because
when you're raising $20 million a year for Project Veritas, as
he said, I'm on the road 300 days a year raising money to
keep you guys paid. He said that in his video. Looking at all the
projects that Veritas has done, and we've we've followed most of
them, I would say, 90%. Now, even some of the COVID stuff was
all politically oriented. It was, you know, it, certainly it
would it would be a wealthy right wing, conservative donor
who would appreciate the work that Veritas does, because it
makes the left usually left leaning media left leaning
politicians look stupid, and exposes them for what they're
doing go all the way back to ACORN, which was a valid hit on
President Obama. So when you're doing this, you're raising
money, not just from people and a lot of people's I may have
supported Project Veritas at one time, like, here's 20 bucks.
Yeah, great. Good job. I love that you're doing this. But to
see a spike in 2020 10%, more, almost $23 million, a lot of
money to raise. So yeah, if you're James O'Keefe, you're
running around, you're doing meetings, you're getting money.
It's it's a lot of $100,000 checks a lot. And I think we're
learning looking at alternative media in general. As we've
learned from the blaze, we look at the Crowder and daily, you
know, what's his face daily wire, Shapiro connection, big
money there, you know, what Crowder would call big
conservative, there's a lot of money and a lot of influence.
And I think we're starting to understand that a lot of this
was being used, really, ultimately for political gain.
And when you do something that goes outside of that, and you
expose, in a very, I mean, it was a bad look for Pfizer. It
was of course, I think handled properly. And this is probably
part of it. To suppress that story. You're stepping on big
toes, and Pfizer, Big Pharma, probably one of the most
powerful the organizations in the world.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I get compared to acorn. Yes.
Adam Curry: Exactly. And, and you may have stepped on some
donors toes, and at a certain point, the donors are driving
the train, as Tina would say. So that shit had to stop. And the,
and the way to decide to do it is to blow up Project Veritas.
And I think this one board member may have something to do
with it. And just in this this morning, it appears that the IRS
mine had been harassing board members with some threats of God
knows what. And that could have also played right into, you
know, a weak board member that might be this Matthew Terman.
guy who, who then says, oh, we gotta we gotta get rid of
O'Keefe. We gotta we gotta blame it all on him. We want to
continue because it is a good business. I mean, it seems like
they weren't out of money and bringing 20 million plus in now.
Now the reason why good business the reason why it's a very
difficult business is a O'Keefe is now a known figure, so he
can't do undercover stuff himself. So he has to get people
to do this. And a lot of people don't want to do honey pot, you
know, it's it's tough. And especially if it's a media
business, it's it's a covert media business. So you know,
people are going to be Curt and short with you in the production
arena. This is just what it is. It's no different from
television or, you know, I'll bet NBC to you know, what is it
To Catch A Predator? A bit there's a lot of crap going on
with that crew as well.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, it shows off.
Adam Curry: But you know what I mean, it's and there's also a
lot of noodle boys and noodle girls these days. So this whole
memo about oh, he was mean, he ate a pregnant lady sandwich,
whatever he did, okay. However, here's the problem. This blow up
is such a magnitude that the whole world is on O'Keefe side.
Everyone sees that O'Keefe is being railroaded regardless of
how it worked internally. That's what they're seeing. And I can't
fault anyone for it and I don't even think O'Keefe is at fault
this. This is just how it goes. The problem is to get to get an
organization for O'Keefe to get an organ like organization like
this back up and running. Do you know what they spend in legal
fees? Almost five $5 million a year. Because you need that you
need that type of legal assistance when you're doing
this kind of stuff. And I think that, you know, the the Pfizer
thing, for whatever reason, that was that was the someone stepped
over the line. And the whole thing had to be blown up. And I
wonder if it's possible to put those pieces back together
again. What are your thoughts?
John C Dvorak: I like that analysis. I've always been
suspicious there even though they all in denial about the
Pfizer thing. But they don't know what's going on. You're
right about behind the scenes in the IRS is political. When
Democrats are in power, and I think it is probably so when it
when the Republicans are in two, but the Democrat political
machine gets involved with the IRS. And they have the head of
the IRS was appointed, I think, by the President and then
approved by a rubber stamp policy. That's why I shouldn't
use the word approved when I should say rubber stamped by the
Congress or Senate. And, and they are political. They was
shown by the during the Obama administration when this Lois
Lerner you clearly violated all the edicts that she was, you
know, gonna have to follow and she didn't never did, and she
never got in trouble for it, which is makes it even easier
for the next guy to come along, say, look, what do lawyers dead?
You're not even getting close to that. And so yes, and I believe
this, I think, the thesis that the IRS is putting pressure via
the Biden administration, or via Pfizer. Yeah. And here's the
Pfizer has got a lot of important people that are on its
board. He's got a lot of investors that expect to make
money. Oh, yeah. And they put little pressure this way or that
way. And yeah, it wouldn't take much to get somebody to fold
into or to get panicky. And
Adam Curry: what I think the mistake that was made, which, to
me is just I don't understand why did Project Veritas ever
decide to be a nonprofit. This is baffling to me. Is that oh,
John C Dvorak: that's a great point.
Adam Curry: I mean, there are a lot of people have said to us,
why don't you do a nonprofit? Because that's the quickest way
for the government to shut us down. That's literally our
answer. But
John C Dvorak: the reason the reason we decided initially is
because when we had JC in our back office, yeah, he did a lot
of research on he got us all kinds of research on this and
that. And he found a study that showed that nonprofits in our
space space who left well, our space, I said that words back in
nonprofits doing what we do get less donations.
Adam Curry: Of course, that would be our Hey, man, we're
gonna get less money if we do a nonprofit, bad idea.
John C Dvorak: That was the real rationale. It turns out and I
was thinking about this every once in a while when I see AMY
GOODMAN or somebody going on and on about there being a
nonprofit, I'm thinking, well, they obviously don't have to
make money thus they do the nonprofit. And it's like we'll
do something about it turns you off, insofar as donating as
opposed to guys like us, we're not we're for profit, but we pay
the IRS we pay our taxes we do. We do. And it just seems to at
least get some sympathy to the to the donor donating class. So
yeah, those poor guys, you know, they gotta pay taxes like
everybody else, even though you also have to pay tax like
anybody else if you're a nonprofit, but to being a
nonprofit is a bad idea.
Adam Curry: And one of the things that
John C Dvorak: let me take that back. So we do complete thought
out, it's a bad idea unless you have one huge or two monstrous
donors that need you to be in a nonprofit status so they can
take it off their taxes, but you're gonna get a ton of money
from those two guys. Or not. Anyway, we can't do that.
Adam Curry: No. And this is why we chose or we developed really
the value for value model is you know, people can get pissed off
but you know, 510 people it'll hurt but it's not going to end
us you know, we don't have a single source we don't have a
single sugar daddy, who's out there you know, like some Texas
oil guys, Jews for Jesus guys. That's that's us funding funds
daily wire. The Blaze is very, very opaque as to how that
actually works on their money there. I'm just seeing a lot of
political money running throughout the so called
Alternative Media and I'm think we're starting to see kind of
where the problems are. And I was I was doing a calculation we
now know that new were about 850,000 people listen to an
episode of The no agenda show. And that's and that's a real
number for the one episode, which is pretty good. You know,
we could do one spot, that 25 CPM. And that's all we'd have to
do. per episode, yeah, one one ad at that at that CPM. And
that's all we'd have to do. But I couldn't live with myself and
we would not be able to do this.
John C Dvorak: You could live with yourself, but you couldn't
live with the ramifications.
Adam Curry: Correct. And now, for years, we have in a way been
compared to NPR with their with their model of listener produced
radio, podcast media. And NPR has always it's always been
baffling to us how they receive a little bit of money now, I
think it's maybe 3%. But they're always they have listener
donation drives and they know you can get a coffee mug or a
tote bag. Right? But there's not supposed to be advertising
although we have heard in the past, you know, donor was it
sponsorships, donor, underwriting, underwriting,
John C Dvorak: whatever you want to call it, advertising,
whatever you want to call it,
Adam Curry: you know, we should probably I should probably play
that find that clip. Yeah, we have it of course. Here we go.
This is important to hear this is from how long ago did we have
this clip per 2012
Unknown: Rich Rodriguez recently fired. Oops, that's
Adam Curry: not the one. Here we go. No, that's not Oh, it was
uh, who was it? Ah, sponsor it was that
John C Dvorak: woman, that woman, that woman who has been
around she's still floating around to us. So she's a very,
very talented manager. CEO type it to his running and PR this
just the other day, didn't we? Yeah, he just played like two
three shows ago.
Adam Curry: It was like, call it advertise you were everywhere we
go. I got here's the one
Unknown: Okay, moving on to money. How are NPR is corporate
underwriting revenues holding up in the recession or Bernie
Madoff foundation grants foundation?
Two different stories. Underwriting is underwriting is
is down it's down for everybody. I mean, this is this is this is
the area that is most down for us is is in is in sponsorship,
underwriting advertising, call it whatever you want. So we
Adam Curry: of course Clary
John C Dvorak: wallet, what area was it? Can we
Adam Curry: call it advertising? Is it advertising? Is it
sponsorships? Is it underwriting? Well today? 10
years later, we find out the truth. Sadly, NPR is going
through a downturn like everybody else, except last
time, like 10 years ago, except the story has changed just
Unknown: a little bit. And now of course, some news about NPR
itself. And
Adam Curry: this is going to report on ourselves because we
have so much journalistic integrity.
Unknown: And now of course some news about NPR itself. NPR
announced a major restructuring today and revealed it's about to
lay off about 10% of the workforce. Our CEO John Lansing
cited a drop of $30 million in projected advertising revenues.
And PR media correspondent Dave What?
Adam Curry: advertising revenue, facade 30% Drop What's the
30% 30 million 30 million and 80 million advertising revenues?
That's a lot of advertising that you're supposed to not be doing.
Or bulbs find out as they report on themselves force.
Unknown: Our CEO John Lansing cited a drop of $30 million in
projected advertising revenues. And PR media correspondent David
Folkenflik joins me and David it's always Folkenflik pleasure
to talk to you. But this is a tough day as you know,
Adam Curry: a tough day that that that that breathing in. You
know what that microphone you have we're taking that we're
taking that as part of your downsizing. We're taking away
all your Neumann stem here. Yeah, look,
John C Dvorak: yeah, look,
Unknown: it's it's a real loss. As John Lansing said, in a memo
to staff I've been here over 18 years. It's the toughest cuts
I've seen, it's probably the toughest since the early 80s.
What we know is not a lot except about the extent of it. And what
John Lansing said to me was that it would not be uniform across
he wasn't just going to take a hatchet and do the same across
all divisions he went home
Adam Curry: 30 million is only 10% How much of these guys
making an advertising? I mean,
Unknown: strategic and thoughtful about how it's done.
But you know this is necessary. only going to be us doing not
only less with less, but reconfiguring how we do it. He
said that this is going to be really the focus of how NPR
restructures itself in a significant way.
Now, what does that actually mean when he wants to be
thoughtful? I think this will be uniform across divisions. Can
you decipher what he's actually envisioning?
We don't know. We don't have that. But we do know is three
one div report on
Adam Curry: a deep dive reports reporting on ourselves. NPR is
an in I'm just reading from the website is an independent
nonprofit media organization that was founded on a mission to
create a more informed public every day, blah, blah, blah,
blah. 1000 stations through 1.6 million website visitors weekly
app users doesn't really say how they're funded or finances on
strategic
Unknown: priorities he's placing on it if you pack them together,
one of which is that he's talked about NPR North Star. And that
is both as a sense of mission and a sense of purpose. And
also, as a business proposition, NPR has to deepen and broaden
its audience to you know, seek younger and more diverse
audience base and that that's the way in which he was building
for the future. And he said that
Adam Curry: wait a minute, they have to seek younger and more
diverse audience base. This, this is death. Only old people
listen to NPR or they're going to jazz it up now. Like doo,
doo, HIPAA podcast podcasts. And until they wonder that what
John C Dvorak: you said is true. And well, let's roll it back.
And we have the demos on this. To use it phrase,
Adam Curry: you caught me flat footed when you called for the
demos on this, I wasn't ready for it another
Unknown: one of which is that he's talked about NPR North
Star. And that is that both as a sense of mission and a sense of
purpose. And also as a business proposition, NPR has to deepen
and broaden its audience to, you know, seek younger and more
diverse audience base and that that's the way in which he sees
building for the future. And he said that since he arrived in
the fall of 2019, he's also talked about unifying its
newsroom with its programming side, the programming is where
so much growth is, particularly in the podcasting division. But
these divisions in some ways are artificial. A lot of our
colleagues doing journalism are doing so under the rubric of
podcasting, but it's still really part of a greater
journalistic function. And so sure, so there's that. And he
says, you know, this was part of a strategic element beyond where
he wants to integrate NPR more fully with its stations
integrate both in terms of what we do content wise, but in terms
of raising money and distributing our content online.
Okay, so 10% of the workforce that's going to add up to about
100 jobs. As we know, NPR is not alone here. There are a whole
lot of media companies in a budget crunch. How does this
news today from our newsroom fit in with a broader picture of our
industry?
It's been a real crunch. You saw hundreds of layoffs at CNN, they
killed their projected streaming service costs, do they have
corporate underwriters and at CNN again, and plus you saw 7%
cuts at Vox media 6%, at Spotify, and Econet and you saw
these huge cuts these huge other places that Google Mehta,
Amazon, Microsoft that also rely on advertising dollars, it's one
of the first place corporate executives cut when they fear
the economy going soft as they have lately, even though the
unemployment rate remains very low.
Is NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik. And David, thank you
for reporting on NPR just as you would any other media company,
Adam Curry: all right from the website. A large portion of NPR
revenue comes from dues and fees paid by our member stations and
underwriting from underwriting from corporate sponsorships.
Other sources of revenue include include institutional grants,
individual comp contributions and fees paid by users of the
public radio satellite system. So here's the breakdown. 37% of
their revenue comes from corporate sponsorships, I
presume that's, you know, brought to you by Pfizer. 32% is
from core and other programming fees. Core and so I presume that
that they mean by that the member stations and fees paid by
public radio satellite system 12% Is contributions of cash and
financial assets. That's the Jay Rockefeller Foundation.
John C Dvorak: And he's sure that's not the public.
Adam Curry: It wasn't a public end and listeners like you
listeners like 7% is other revenues. Is that the
advertising part? Maybe? Closer to 10%? On Wait 5% Is the prss
satellite contracts? Okay, so the 30 maybe three in the 32% is
core. Look, I don't I think their charter specifically
forbids advertising. This
John C Dvorak: is what I don't understand is true anymore.
Adam Curry: I guess not altered. I think the Advertising is
probably only working on podcast. That's where they can
use advertising from, I believe previous research that we've
done.
John C Dvorak: Well, he's also that guy also hinted that the
podcasts were different in such a way that I think he hinted
that they do native ads on the podcasts. Well, that
Adam Curry: no, he says that's what they're going to do.
They're putting the programming and all the departments
together. And then it's like, well, you know, he's doing
podcasts, but they're really doing core journalism. I think
it's falling apart because of podcasting.
John C Dvorak: I, you know, you didn't get there as fat you got
there a little bit frozen. I mean, I've already thought that.
I'm totally convinced that's what it is. And it harkens back
a little bit on the, on the internet itself, and, and the
finances of how a newspaper makes money, and how a online
newspaper makes money. Right. So different, that you can't run
the New York Times, if it was just online, you have to have
the hard copy stuff, just expensive ads in the print
version. And you have to, I mean, like PC Magazine, in his
heyday, the one page ads were $50,000 Oh,
Adam Curry: man, that those days are long gone. And we're talking
John C Dvorak: about hundreds of pages of those ads. Twice a
month, it was glorious. It was flying all over the place. But
yes, and no, the point is, is that those days are over. And
the economics are different. And the same thing with podcasting.
Except for the fact that we do our we have our distribution to
our own system. If we were paying pod bean. We damn near
broke magic. And if we're paying 10 producers, that wouldn't help
either, but no, but But you pointed out in a thing you wrote
a long time ago, you said on something a long time ago, you
said that people don't understand that broadcasting and
podcasting have a different basic element of finance, in so
far is that a broadcast in terms of scalability, when a
broadcaster sends out a signal, and he's got 10,000 listeners,
it's costing him no more or less? Yes. And if he has 5000
listeners, or 2 million listeners, right, because it's a
broadcast signal, and it's broadcast, it goes everywhere,
and people pick it up where they don't, with, with anything over
the internet, if you got 100 listeners, listen to your
podcast, the amount of bandwidth it's going to cost you is not
the same. If you have a million or 10 million, it's going to
cost you a lot of money. And it's and it doesn't scale. In
that way. At scale. You can get that many people but you're
gonna have to pay more for the bandwidth because it costs money
to put stuff on the internet, it doesn't so much with
broadcasting. And you totally get that you won't realize that
podcasting is completely different. Also, the
Adam Curry: there's a huge difference in podcasting,
really, you and I and you helped actually spend about $65 million
dollars worth of investors money to find out that a single
podcast can be very successful can run on its own. If you run
it lean and mean if you do most of the work yourself. Use the
tools that are available. The mini
John C Dvorak: def some skills. Yeah, of course,
Adam Curry: you have to have some skills. It's like you can't
just start a band, you know, yeah, you can't just can't play
the guitar, you need to play be able to play the guitar or do
something or you know, work some electronics. The minute you
build that into a network, which is always the mistake made it
myself. And you know, as I say you cannot monetize the network.
That just does not work when people know they can do things
on their own. They come from their own their own system,
you'll never be able to make everybody happy with the ads,
the distribution of ads, the distribution of money, the
promotion, it just it becomes a quagmire and this is the mistake
that Spotify made and I advise them don't do this. This is not
the way to go. They of course why would you listen to me? I
only only only blew 65 million you know, they're they're close
to 650 million that they probably more they blew on their
little experiment there. It just doesn't work and now we have
this really bad downturn in advertising. And it's it's so
bad that they're it's hitting NPR which is not even supposed
to have advertising and that has to be because the only money
that's really working I think is on the podcast side because
that's where they can do the ads. And and the the radio is
just too expensive. The days are over when you had the A
narrowcast you had a couple of channels and there's just too
much offering. There's too much and and I bet
John C Dvorak: you overlooked a lean and mean.
Adam Curry: So the No, that's no, that's what I'm saying.
Broadcast is not is by definition not lean and mean.
That generally, you know, that's the guy unions. And now once a
union once you got into, you know, Spotify, you got it. Yeah,
you know, and then the money was flowing and it was an ESG check
mark for everybody's like, hey, you know, we got to do something
for bipoc podcasters Do we have any? No, but we'll go make some
and off run all the consultants and they make bipoc podcast and
they get big companies to sponsor them and they and they
you watch the the big conferences like Podcast
Movement, and they're all gonna go down the drain now because
the money is done. There's not there's not a dream by now. No,
they were riding high on the on the zero interest rate free
money. And now you see that even though it's it's not great for
us, it's been better. We're gonna survive this. You know, we
can tighten our belts. But when you have to tighten the belt to
the whole organization, yeah, it just doesn't work that way. And
then you got to kick people out. Morale goes down. People start
stealing stuff. Pencils and microphones and all kinds of
stuff starts turning up missing people started having sex on the
CEOs desk out of spite. Now this is not going to go well. So
let's take
John C Dvorak: a look Amanda page of the NPR podcast page.
Yes. Now they have dozens and dozens of parameters just to
name a few these tell me have you ever heard of any of you
okay. Okay, we got up first to say yes or no first No. Embedded
featuring white lies. No, no. Here and now and anytime. Yeah,
here and now anytime I've heard of this one. Yes. Oh, you have
planet money you have Yep. Life kit. No wisdom from the top No.
Ultimate COPPA.
Adam Curry: Now that I'm canceling that one right away.
John C Dvorak: code switch. Yes, I've heard of that one. Really?
Well as well you keep up with this little more Naidu thought
these I'd never heard of any of these through line now. No, it's
been a minute No. rough translation No. Book of the day.
No. Radio Ambulante on our watch
Adam Curry: on our what know
John C Dvorak: the limits
Adam Curry: how many podcasts they have
John C Dvorak: no copyright we go on? No compromise. No. Story
core. Troll room chime in if
Adam Curry: you've heard any of these No.
John C Dvorak: Believed
Adam Curry: no proof.
John C Dvorak: This is bad. Yeah, pop culture happy hour.
Adam Curry: No. We're canceling that one to note we're canceling
that one. No, no, no, no no. What's
John C Dvorak: good with stretch and Bobbito? No. Bullseye only a
game? No. Invisibility
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes. I've heard of this one. No, no, I guess
not.
John C Dvorak: Tiny Desk
Adam Curry: Tiny Desk that's what everyone's getting now at
NPR. I have not heard of the
John C Dvorak: T No. Louder than a riot.
Adam Curry: No. No
John C Dvorak: all songs considered.
Adam Curry: That's that's a that's a build out of All Things
Considered. I guess. Some of the top we already mentioned from
the top. So there's another one from the top. Oh, they're
doubling up.
John C Dvorak: Jazz Night in America.
Adam Curry: Very popular jazz mod. I want to do jobs Night in
America from NPR. Yeah, I want mountain
John C Dvorak: stage with someone Hey, can Zippy get a
show with those guys? It sounds like a bonanza World Cafe. Okay,
I'm done. Once up and I left you out
Adam Curry: of world bonanza. No, I don't know any of you. But
I'd know I probably don't know 99% Of all podcasts of the
course. There's 4 million of them. And when we had to
downgrade we had to do some chop and drop. There's really 3.9
now. Yeah, well close enough. Yeah. I would just say shopping
drop. Operation chop and drop.
John C Dvorak: Is this a little too much inside baseball for
most of these people that listen to our show? No, I buy it.
People enjoy seeing us entertain I think people
Adam Curry: who listen to our show or show enjoy the fact that
we don't have to have some sad story. Well, looks like we're
gonna have to drop 50% of the show, John. Sorry,
John C Dvorak: you can't go down to an hour.
Adam Curry: Right? We got to do less show now. Although your
your bandwidth story that has changed a little bit, but
certainly not 15 years ago, these days Cloudflare. And this,
we don't want to be dependent, the Cloudflare has, has D
Platform podcast or some Yeah, I think an actual podcast, that
they would not proxy it. That's the whole point is that we have
producers, who've taken this envoys zero, of course, has done
this, almost from day one, made sure that we had our own
infrastructure own system. And with very, it's very affordable
for us. It's not free, but it's affordable.
John C Dvorak: That's free, that's for sure. No,
Adam Curry: but But it's reliable. And I thought being,
hey, you know, I have to I have to say pod bean released their
new app. And they actually have a couple podcasts and 2.0
features in there. So I feel bad about about using pod Bean as a
as a as a bad example.
John C Dvorak: It's me, I'm doing doing it. And it's not a
bad example. I think pod bean does a pretty good job, except
that they charge a lot. And if you're in there, you don't get
you know, there's no I mean, what's the point? Why don't you
just do it yourself? Yeah, people don't want to do it
themselves. They don't want to look into it. I mean, it's
cheaper. If you can find it, you know, you could do it out of
your home, you could do it from your own server. If you could
get a deal with your whoever's doing your training for the
internet. I think
Adam Curry: the the point that we've made in podcasting, and we
should move on to something else, is that value for value
works. And this means that you don't have to have 850,000
people, you just need, if you can get 100 people who will
support you regularly, you win, if they'll support you at the
level that they get out of the value that get out of what
you're doing. And that and that's where that should really
be the only reason for existence. People still have
this broadcast mentality. We saw the same thing with blogs. Yeah,
I got a blog. I'm gonna be millionaire like Andrew, what's
his name? Sullivan.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Andrew Sullivan, who dropped the ball.
You did? Now, he just couldn't figure out why he did that. But
Adam Curry: just because you can. Podcast doesn't mean that
it should be worth anything. If it is, it'll come back to you.
And as we've learned, the more listeners you get, the less the
participation rate in the donations. Which Someone asked,
someone asked me, Hey, I heard you guys say you get like 4%,
which is high, but I think you're right, two to 3% of those
people that listen, support us. And the question was why? Why
can you answer that? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: That's just human nature is the way it is with
everything. With your been involved with direct marketing,
you know, immediately that you're gonna get, you can do the
numbers and you can know how much money you're going to make
an advance of something you're going to try to sell.
Adam Curry: But we asked them all the time, and they just they
hate us for some reason.
John C Dvorak: No, do you have to ask them all the time,
because otherwise they'll forget the audience. We always have to
remember the basics. And people out there trying to do
podcasting should know this. It's like, people, your podcast
isn't the most important thing in anyone's life, except you
maybe and that might be true. And so they're always forgetting
that you even exist. So you have to say, Hey, I'm here. And you
know, we're looking for some more donations. Oh, yeah. You
guys, so Alright, okay. Otherwise, you're just going to
be forgotten.
Adam Curry: I wonder if people who listen at high speed don't
donate?
John C Dvorak: Oh, I'm sure that people listening in high speed
don't donate. I'm curious about the fact once. Let's let's see.
Here's an example. We have our friend a sheriff of Texas. Jean
Hmm. He stopped donating once he started listening in high speed.
Have you noticed this interesting,
Adam Curry: interesting correlation. Hmm. It rots your
brain and it moves. It moves you away from me. It makes you
greedy. It makes you greedy.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was you because the greed of trying
to cram in a three hour podcast you know it two hours carries
Adam Curry: over to your whole being.
John C Dvorak: It's a gestalt I suppose it's a bad Gestalt. A
BG?
Adam Curry: there and you know what, there's more under under
attack right now. This is my favorite story of the moment
because the outcome of this could change the internet
forever.
Unknown: This morning. The killing of American college
student Naomi Gonzalez in the 2015 ISIS terror attacks in
Paris is a case before The Supreme Court I've never done
something I could never imagine. Her parents claim YouTube's
algorithms highlighted ISIS produced materials and further
radicalized the extremists that killed their daughter.
Hopefully by, by this, change the laws and that'll be for the
good.
Oral arguments today will center on section 230 of the
Communications Decency Act of 1996, which says internet
companies, including social media platforms cannot be sued
over third party content uploaded by users. But some
legal experts say social media platforms are responsible for
their content,
they get to decide what to carry, they get to decide what
not to carry. And they get to decide how to design their
algorithms to amplify certain types of content.
Another case being heard by the High Court today is the case of
Anthony Nowak of Ohio arrested in 2016. After making a phony
Police Facebook page with fake announcements. He says it was
obviously a joke,
you click the page, it's very obvious and even what you're
reading should strike you as off.
Local police weren't laughing, charging him with disruption of
law enforcement operations, a jury found him not guilty. But
he wants the supreme court to grant him the right to sue
police for violating his civil rights.
They raided my house, they took my electronics, they arrested me
my image was blasted all over the news. I didn't do anything
wrong. So I don't want them to think that's okay. Because I
kind of think they do.
Both these cases could have big implications, one potentially
making social media platforms more liable for their content,
the other could draw the line between parity and public
safety.
Adam Curry: So this, of course, is about power of over the
internet. That's the only thing that this is about. No one
cares. Who got hurt by the Internet. What do you think this
will land?
John C Dvorak: Well, this is gonna be this is a big deal.
Yeah. And it was that is that it's just it's going to be in
the Supreme Court's hands, and they're going to have to deal
with it. We do notice that Robert and Kevin are flip
flopping liberal to conservative, curiously,
Kavanaugh, you think he'd be so irked by the treatment?
Adam Curry: I thought Kavanaugh was conservative.
John C Dvorak: He is but he's flip flopping just like Roberts.
Oh, there's a recent case on this recent kind of issue or in
general on all issues. He's there was a recent case where he
did that was a clear conservative values versus
liberal values, a traditional liberal values, and he flipped
over. And it's it's I think the Supreme Court is in pretty good
shape. And so far as honesty about their positions. And they
do this, you know, you don't know what's going to happen when
you get to when the guy gets in there. And I think they're going
to have they're going to take a good hard look at this. And
whatever they come up with is going to be fascinating.
Adam Curry: I really hope they destroy it all. I mean, I'm kind
of on your side. I do I want it all to be destroyed. I want you
in case you off. I should probably play this because this
is do we have it here? Yes, this is as predicted
Unknown: as predict changes coming to Instagram and Facebook
users will soon need to pay if they want to become a verified
account. It's a move that follows in Twitter's footsteps.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg says the new subscription services aimed at
improving security for 1199 a month, you'll get a blue
verified badge and direct access to customer support. The program
rolls out this week in Australia launching in the US a little bit
later this year.
Adam Curry: So two reasons. Two reasons for this one,
financially verified is much better than just verified. So
now we know where to go to get you if you post some trolling
comment, and it'll be perfect because we want to be your bank.
So now Elon Musk gets a little competition from the meta boys
and girl right
John C Dvorak: off the bat. I mean, you get this guy, so
they're not dummies, and they see what he's up to. And they
wish you saw and I saw that what he's up to.
Adam Curry: I hope they destroy it all because we'll still have
our own protocols. We'll I mean, anyone who has Gmail, you're
screwed. You might as well get get another account somewhere,
because that's gonna be gone. But everything else will still
be able to commit and podcast will continue. It will probably
be the only thing left on the internet
John C Dvorak: to play or know quite how to attack it.
Adam Curry: How can you it's truly that they keep trying.
They keep trying to attack it
John C Dvorak: is probably more I'd say slander action. Libel
action on podcasts. Yeah. Than anywhere. Problem is is so
linear, and you're not that it's impossible to track it down.
Adam Curry: Well, you know, because they keep threatening
the DOJ, AI and machine learning will be able to figure out hey,
we publish a transcript on every single Show. So if you want to
know if we slandered you, you can just read the transcript.
But now they're going to the law enforcement of the internet, the
internet, police are going to figure it all out. Yeah, we can
do. We can do that with machine learning. No, you can't. It
doesn't work. None of it works. And then the biggest thing is it
John C Dvorak: works is the
Adam Curry: worst part is alright, you want to sue us? All
right. Good luck. What do you all you can take my house, I
guess. You chop it up for firewood? There's no money in
suing a little podcasters.
John C Dvorak: Debt. That's the that is the problem. Yeah.
That's the one so why bother even cares what they say? No, I
mean, we don't slander or libel people. Because we actually know
the laws. Yeah. But there's plenty of it going on. Yes. But
again, like you said, these podcasts are set for realistic
came out of Barstool Sports or something like that. They don't
have any money. Well, yeah, we'll call her daddy or
something like that. But even if she makes big dough, even Joe
Adam Curry: Rogan this I don't think there's ever been a
slander lawsuit against Joe Rogan. And there's some money to
be gotten there in that interesting. Yeah. Maybe people
just don't care.
John C Dvorak: Well, you know if they wanted this, and also,
there's all this, like, dozens of podcasts I just ran through
and NPR is just basically they're people just shooting
this shit and saying dumb stuff. Sure. There's lawsuits there.
And then PRs got less than $300 million budget. That's plenty of
that's somewhat deep.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Mark advertising, no less. Anyway,
the world's in trouble. It's all burning. And I'd like to I'd
like to hear your side Hersha clips before we take a break.
Oh, sure. Because I like what her like which side versus right
Shy? Shy. Hirsch
John C Dvorak: was on of all things. He's with a breed the
British guy, comedian, Russell Brand.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. I saw this. That was rather interesting.
Well, I
John C Dvorak: thought it was interesting from the perspective
that Russell Brand is a pretty good interviewer with a guy like
Psy hearse because He disarmed him by insulting him
Adam Curry: right off the bat. It was very good. Right
John C Dvorak: off the bat.
Adam Curry: It was very good. I agree about his hat. Right.
John C Dvorak: Well, those that was psi insulting brand, are
mentioning the hat, which tipped brand off that Oh, you want to
play that game? Right. Right. Right. So they went back and
forth. And he really gave it to psi. And he was cracking up. It
was good. Well, Sy
Adam Curry: Hersh has humor and you have to have humorous as
Seymour Hersh, when you're being called a liar. A Putin puppet?
Yeah. There was something else that he did early on. It was
before it before the Russia collusion that he also called
bullcrap. On they, Oh, it's something with Obama, I think
wasn't something with Obama.
John C Dvorak: Well, he could say he has a he's got a good he
handled it well, to the point where he I know he did. Didn't
expect to do much on the show and ended up talking and talking
and talking. I gotta go. But let me tell you this. Yeah. So but
there's only two things I thought were interesting one.
Well, there was two little things up and it was about that
balloons. And this is sy hearse on the Alaska balloon, that
balloon
Unknown: and indeed the shooting down of the Balloon. Balloon is
going to tell you a little bit about the balloons. Yeah.
I asked somebody about AI friends and I said what what's
going on with the balloons? Of course, they've been there
forever. Maybe you could argue they could take photographs of
weather satellite could see much better. But basically the last
way though the unnamed car like with American press so full of
it. It turns out there's the federal government has a
contract with with the Meteorology Department or
whatever it is weather department at the University of
Alaska in Fairbanks. And that is one coal place. It's way up
there. Also, most of the classes are underground. You go
underground. The classes I spoken there I know about this
firsthand. And over the Arctic Circle is the Arctic Circle is a
the everybody flies the polar room from Europe, from Asia to
America. And there's no weather station there. So the university
put has these little vehicles that goes and reports. Pilots
want to know if there's any unusual weather going on. That's
what you have to do. And they are reporters of that, that that
information. And that's what was shot down. One of those things
was shot down was one of those units that is sent up by a
university under but paid by the government.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I didn't know that. That was pretty
interesting. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I thought that was good too. But then he has a
real screwball story about the F 22. And as shooting down to
balloon and this is I recorded it and put this on here because
I thought it was funny,
Unknown: but a lot of money for the was 22 and its first kill
was the first balloon that when that one came over was
discovered over Montana and the pilot and I'd like to think that
he knows exactly what he's doing when he landed you know in World
War Two your guys and your Spitfires and I said RP 50 ones
you took care of every Messerschmitt you put a little
you painted on the side of decal for the kills. We did the same
and in Asia when the RP RP 50 ones so the pilot of this f 22
Getting the first kill of this plane painted a blue on the side
of a sash fictionalized I'd love to think he was joking I don't
know that I know he did it. I don't know whether what was in
the state of mind. But that's what we're doing now. We've got
to kill we kill the balloon. That's worth a couple. Couple of
few 100 billion dollars for a plane.
Adam Curry: It's such a joke and I think all of that balloon
stuff that was just there to distract everyone from Hirsch's
actual report.
John C Dvorak: I believe you I think so too.
Adam Curry: You do believe?
John C Dvorak: I do believe?
Adam Curry: certainly seems like that. Most definitely. Yeah.
Well, Russell Brand what does he have 6 million subscribers on
his YouTube? I sure does. He didn't he? I think he's on
rumble now too, as a backup.
John C Dvorak: This was on rumble.
Adam Curry: Oh good. He's gonna need that. He's gonna need that.
Will's gonna He's gonna need that. And with that, I'd like to
thank you for your courage so in the morning to you the man who
put the seat and call it advertising ladies and gentlemen
please say hello to my friend on the other end Mr. John
John C Dvorak: Darren O'Neill and you there i in the morning
to you in the morning all ships to see boots on the ground feet
in the air subs in the water and all the dams and nice out there
you one foot 1.5 speed slower down. This is good stuff here.
Adam Curry: I'm gonna have to do that from time to time when
people go oh, I just heard someone talking in normal
parlance. That's right in the morning to all the trolls in our
troll room troll room.io Let's see these are the people who
hang out there have been very helpful actually today, except
for blue Deus 33 Now for some reason I can't keep people out
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John C Dvorak: 18th 18th Hundreds Yeah, we're low
Adam Curry: 1721 Oh, my ad? Oh, oh. Oh, no. We've lost all our
trolls. Oh, my goodness. And we love the troll so much. Well, we
hope you come back or at least we hope that you hang out, hang
out with us at no agenda. social.com probably the most
blocked instance in the fediverse There's reasons. And
we were happy about that. That's the way it should be. That's how
the internet should work. If you don't like something, it's a bug
just route around it as perfect perfectly. Okay, follow Jhansi
Dvorak had no agenda social.com or Adam at no agenda social.com
And I would like to thank the artists who brought us the
artwork for episode 1531 We titled that one the dead name.
And you know, I have to say that just didn't feel like there was
a lot and a funny enough for the rant I put out about Tucker
Carlson and Don Lemon. The best art which we kind of liked was
the lemon sour sour puss punch, which had a caricature of Don
Lemon on the bike as a lemon as a lemon. It was a I thought it
was a good caricature it really
John C Dvorak: on the on the webpage popped like hell I
didn't realize how good that thing looks when it was actually
produced. No
Adam Curry: It popped massively neck networks did this by the
way. And I a lot of people got it. They thought it was funny,
but I don't know. It feels like I mean, even today I'm seeing
kind of a low turnout on the arts. I mean, it's possible that
people have other things to do it is after all, it's still
black history month. We had Presidents Day on Monday, which
mountain Jay was just swinging for the fences on trying to get
a president sale best price with coins Let's discuss this job
because I think sometimes artists when they're just trying
to swing at it and art director was comic strip blogger I see.
Oh, there you go. Now I know what the problem was. Mountain J
worked with comic strip blogger on trying to create a piece that
would win that kind of that kind of makes it understandable Can
you explain how this how wrong this was in this case?
John C Dvorak: Which one now the coins the President's Day sale
the coins they were posted to live?
Adam Curry: Yeah, eight times over they were posted.
John C Dvorak: Did it just was not it was this is an example of
an artist getting a hair up their ass and knowing there's
something there but they can't get it themselves. In fact, if
you I will tell you this if an artist repeats the same piece
over and over and starts changing things, yes. And they
don't have confidence in the piece, right? It's just saying
Well, maybe if I did this, maybe if I did this before we even
looked at it once right? And so they're already so this kind of
a giveaway that there's something amiss now once in a
while you see a couple of maybe two variations on something or
somebody just changes the background and okay, that kind
of works I think I don't know what the what the point of these
coins Well
Adam Curry: I think what happened was it might might have
been mountain J to almost one the episode before or maybe even
one before that, which was the best price and we chose for I
think some Balloon Art. Let me see if that was mountain J
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was the balloon or no that was to
Neil and I was talking to Neil it was Tanzania and it was a
balloon is shaped like a heart
Adam Curry: yes that's the one we wound up choosing but so for
some reason best price that that that I think that's really more
of an inside joke and it only works when you do it with a
racist acts and best price doesn't really work otherwise.
So I have a feeling that that somehow they got
John C Dvorak: mixed up her last one which is the prison sale
best price. Yeah. And I don't know wishes custom licensed to
art what was licensed? What uh,
Adam Curry: I don't know. They can't they lag maybe but you
know, if you look down below it's like comic strip blogger
was the art director I mean, that's sudden death right there
why would you take our direction from comics or Blogger or he
does his butts
John C Dvorak: well now he's doing almost exclusively Yeah,
AI art AI art to some of his pretty good I liked his piece
but it was never gonna get picked which was the Biden one
when he looks like he's just a skirt crazy Biden picture it was
nice was it two shows ago maybe
Adam Curry: no L L Biden. l Biden.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Peace
Adam Curry: see what else would we have nothing else here
John C Dvorak: was really that great. I mean, I did use another
nest workspace for the newsletter which was the this
false claims sauce with Oh, like I care a cartoon eyes version
looks like a cartoon eyes version of
Adam Curry: clamshell Schiff
John C Dvorak: No, that's holding it Yeah. I think it's
supposed to be ship I don't know it could be anybody but he's got
any holding this can it's just a nice pretty piece and he's got
this little thing in the background of the guy's head
that whatever is called his name for it.
Adam Curry: So other choices that we had we need more ammo
that didn't really work there wasn't a lot of lot of choice. I
don't Raph there was a made Marriott kind of a joker piece
but that you know had a number on we try not to use episode
number art. No agenda Google ITM was nice piece, but now didn't
really take us the Tesla recall by capitalist agenda. No. And
just I didn't get that one. And that was kind of it. But what
else? There wasn't a lot of offering. No, I
John C Dvorak: thought it was flat.
Adam Curry: Your flat, everybody's flat and still
looking flat. So we can get something good for this. This
episode. Maybe ever and maybe everyone's broke and out of
ideas
John C Dvorak: broken out of a company and just like a
depression. I've always said to depression people don't
understand what a depression is. They have this you know reasons
you can do some calculation or unit of depression. People are
depressed in a depression. But also he gets called a depressed
because they're literally depressed. He's not really want
to go to work.
Adam Curry: So that during bad economic times and depressions,
some of the best art is created.
John C Dvorak: I'm beginning to think that's a myth, I think was
doing
Adam Curry: some of our best work personally. Maybe,
personally, I think we're knocking it out of the park
here. If you listen at one time speed, otherwise Yeah, it all
just blends together. Maybe people have just gone nuts. Now
if it's not the outrage of the day, then whatever. We've been
through these cycles, we've seen it all. We've seen it all.
outrage of the day. Congratulations to networks.
Thank you so much with this equal opportunity offenders here
for anybody who wants to try their hand at creating the art
that we'll use for episode 1532 which is this one. By the way, I
really liked that graffiti as you would call graffiti from
flood comment city.
John C Dvorak: I liked that piece a lot. Yeah, but it says
1532 We don't typically it is it is 1532. I know we don't
typically pick Nutella typically. But we've done it a
lot. So that's a nice summary. You can't beat that piece. I'm
voting so
Adam Curry: so far so far. Looks good. You can follow along no
agenda, our generator.com or one of those new podcast apps
podcast apps.com. All of them have the have the chapter
feature. And our very own Dred Scott does those after the fact
adds them all in and adds a lot of the art that didn't make it
which is a fun way to display that as well. And of course,
some of this art actually winds up in no agenda shop.com I saw a
new piece. The appetite for deconstruction is apparently now
on hoodies and T shirts and mugs. I can't wait to buy a
couple of them. I need a new hoodie. And that is you know
that's the the art that you didn't like the one with the
skulls. Yeah, the Guns and Roses. Dead logo to me is it's
actually taken from Guns and Roses Appetite for Destruction.
So it's a it's a spoof, but I think it's beautiful. I want
when no agenda shop not affiliated with no agenda,
John C Dvorak: right in your Texas Hill Country. That's
Adam Curry: right. That's what we're a bunch of hillbillies
over here. And thank you of course networks and thanks to
all the artists you know, we give you these reviews because
no one else will be honest with you. We are and we and we
appreciate all the work that goes into it. Of course, we as
with all the things everyone does. 150 emails a day of people
with ideas with stories, with boots on the ground reports with
jingles with clips. It really is a time talent and treasure
mission is value for value and we'd like to thank we're gonna
thank everybody all in one go. We can do it once again. No two
no two segments necessary. And we start off with our executive
producers $300 and above of course Associate Executive
Producers 200 between 203 100 and kicking it off from Glen
Gardner New Jersey with $1,000 Sir never PC who says Dear John
Adam, thanks for your insights into the real truth behind the
deluge of propaganda we are bludgeoned with daily now there
it is. That's exactly what we legend we are we we protect you
from the bludgeoning I was hitting the mouth while
listening to Adam on the Jay ar e. Joe Rogan donation about a
year ago and have been an avid convert ever since. Well, you
don't have to convert you can stay a Jerry listeners Well, in
exchange for jingles and karma. I'd appreciate if you'd let me
shamelessly promote my revolutionary product that I
know can change the world. Oh yeah, this is great. This, this
is this is okay. Here's someone who understands value for
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and have over 20 years of r&d to back them up needless to say,
The Old Guard petroleum based lubricant companies hate us and
will do everything they can to keep us from succeeding. And for
that reason, I guess our quest one jingle, please give me we
punch him in the mouth, which will be we hit him in the mouth.
John, have you tried this revolutionary product? And the
question I have is does it stack up against ranch hand?
John C Dvorak: Well, he's gonna send me some and YouTube No, I
wouldn't I'd love lube if you give him an address.
Adam Curry: I gave him my Pio box.
John C Dvorak: Oh, well then you'll get it. He I don't know I
don't know of any I don't know. Jimmy there's lubricants come
from everywhere and they're a lot of merges chemicals, they
have to have high lubrication factors. Poly Alpha olefins one
of them which is synthetic oils and which is one type of synth
dedic oil. I'll give it a shot. I mean, I like some something
that especially I got these, this little bottle of micro lube
is very, to put one small drop on something it's just think
goes nuts. So it's possible. It could be great stuff, but I
think he's wrong. Long about DoD hated by a small market, the big
oil companies don't care at all it but if you're if you make a
success out of it and you actually threaten their
business, they'll give you a lot of money to buy you out and do
it and then put their name on it and say hey, we're plant based,
right? It's bullcrap that part of it. I don't like that kind of
awkward promotion. You're not hated in other words.
Adam Curry: No, not by us. I love lube.
John C Dvorak: I bet you do. Hey,
Adam Curry: thank you very much sir never PC and
John C Dvorak: give it a try. We will promote him he'll give him
a plug and free plug in.
Adam Curry: Yeah, and I'll play that jingle as we end up the
donation segment that's what we use it for.
John C Dvorak: To onward with Dame Lady Bird in Provence all
Louisiana six it and she writes a handwritten note. No, I have
it. I can make noise with it. Enclosed find my V four v
contribution of six the fifth years if they figured that means
a fifth years mammogram post breast cancer came back clear
Yeah. This was great news for me as my chances of recurrence are
reduced twice. Please may have an F cancer for all of those out
there still fighting it and a health karma for everyone. Thank
you for Oh 651 of this contribution puts me at barren
net tests. And I think she's unless yes so barren net this
lady bird Eagle of the Toledo Bend. If it please the peerage
committee will be my new title. I could never afford how much
you are worth to me. Love is lit. No regret, just aim
ladybird. I will say that she right hand wrote this letter
beautiful. And it's in. It's printed in all caps. But it's
really nice. very readable. So it's like you read it. It's like
a like a radio read and everything's all caps.
Unknown: You've got karma.
John C Dvorak: So she has a good hand as they like to say.
Adam Curry: Indeed. I guess I'm up here and we go. Randy Carlson
Pahrump. Nevada. Our rump pa rump, our favorite executive
producer donation amount we always ask for it. Three Three
3.33 Switcheroo this birthday 23rd of February credit belongs
to Dame Sam Cat of southern Knight County. And he says
jingles tortoise in the race and go karma. Yeah, tortoise in the
race is not actually a separate jingle. It's it's one of the
it's one of the sharpens. I'll see maybe it's in here.
Unknown: Thank you. Is this Crown Hall day two we're
watching. That was Attorney General Eric Holder add about
some Republicans at home already beating the
Adam Curry: drum Good to hear Sharpton again actually has a
wall today
Unknown: the Pentagon refuted that claim. And he said the
American people do not want him to quote griddling either they
do not want him twiddling his thumbs get a gig as a
contortionist intravenous fluids and pills coated with galet
genetic we don't leave our women of women women or men in uniform
behind a mighty men to the uterus of Dick Cheney,
Representative Raul our Labrador years of a brute of abuse. I've
personally apologize to Mr. P vis just asked the former
Congress of Democrats outright Jide. Countering counter tourism
Counterterrorism Center not in here, Secretary Shin sketti Why
do I always mess up the name Shinseki? I love my criticize
now that couldn't find
Adam Curry: it. Sorry. You've got it'll have to do.
John C Dvorak: I did find sir Vegas King and lost wages in
Nevada, which is near Pahrump.
Adam Curry: No Is it now? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: And if I get the power wrong could be called a
suburb. 33333 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I cannot express
the joy and info you have brought us so much to say about
life and how Vegas is is and isn't doing well after the
shutdown. Maybe more on another note. Yes, I'd like to hear
about that myself. We'd love boots on the ground. Sure. Vegas
King and Stephanie. I watch Sin City church.com Each week
another plug for something we don't know about
Adam Curry: 333 from surrounded by my privilege I'm making this
donation as a way of saying thank you for your courage and
to return value not only for these twice weekly amygdala
shrinking therapy sessions, but also because of just how
generous you are with your time I will let me read I don't know
how you do it with Oh, I think he's talking to me. They
certainly not talking about you. I don't know how to how you do
it with all you have going on in your life a wildly successful
podcast developing Oh, yes. Oh, and this is flattering,
developing podcast. 2.0 undergoing serious health
challenges a keeper to keep yet none of this prevents you from
maintaining a dedication to your producers with a level of
accessibility that is unmatched in media and entertainment.
Nearly every nearly every time I've reached out with a question
about OTG phones or audio drift from double ending. You've taken
that you've talked to the loop guy, you've taken the time to
respond that is true class setting the standard for all to
follow is not that hard to answer an email that and that
that I learned from my colleague, John C. Dvorak, no
jingles no karma no promoting the new podcasts I'm producing
which is by far the best one in my zip code if you include the
plus four we can do that a number time this is just to say
thank you for all you do you and John do and express my
appreciation for every last producer of the no agenda
podcast sincerely, Andrew aka surrounded by my privilege was
very nice.
John C Dvorak: Thank you so much. Yeah, it was nice. QQ is
up next I'll get the next two because QQ from Key West Florida
I know I can't find a notes are in 33 dogs but a double the
Carmine tonight would
Adam Curry: be Yeah, can I just say so I know. Q Q have met Q Q.
He was QQ like QQ is very Russian like but he's he's not
he's, I think he's from Moldova. And he's been giving a lot of
insight to the bullcrap there so it's been giving me boots on the
ground reports nothing that we are good for QQ QQ is very cool,
but I will give him a double karma. He deserves that for
sure. He's got karma.
John C Dvorak: That brings me to Dustin EQ in Williamsport,
Pennsylvania. And he came in with 333
Adam Curry: times where my family lives in Williamsport.
Oh, yeah,
John C Dvorak: ITM gentleman another Rogan donation been an
avid listener for over two years and this is my first donation of
V for V finally hit me in the mouth and brought me to my
senses. I would like to call out Zack Jeff and Jimmy. Zack do
Jeff Jimmy those three are all douchebags time to S H I T or
get off the pot boys little phrase. Anyway the work you guys
do is very under appreciated. We both agree with that. And I just
hope this small donation will help keep you guys around that
much longer. No jingles No comment. Just keep up the good
work.
Adam Curry: That's exactly how that thank you so much. That's
exactly how you have to think if you'd like that little store on
the corner and you don't go in and buy something from time to
time that little store on the corner will eventually go away
and you'll be sad. That's how you should look at it. So we're
just a little store on the corner of Maine. Don't think
much of Maine and the hood. Brian P Belen is in Asbury, New
Jersey. First Associate Executive Producer to one $50
Thanks for a great show. Please explain that vasectomy looks
better. wife wants me to get one I'm not down for it. Need more
reasons. Okay, we go to our resident vasectomy expert,
Jhansi Dvorak, who was developed and proven his theory multiple
times.
John C Dvorak: Well, I've started with a 1923. As when
vasectomy became popular, it was it was just a coincidence that
they noticed this is that a vasectomy was the substitute
earlier for de balling castrating prisoners who were
Sex Criminals when they had other issues. And they noticed
that a doctor would cut these guys balls off and then the guy
would come when he got out of prison and go kill the guy. So
oh, so that was working out. So they just so they came up with
this operation where they did this, what's essential, which
became a vasectomy, which they accomplish the same thing. In
other words, you got D nutted. And but it was the guy looked
down a look fine. It is too dumb to know that anything happened.
So he didn't get killed the doctor event but they started
noticing that these guys started to have a youthful look. as they
got older they started looking like young lesbians, but they
still it was useful. You look good. Yes, that's gain was
smooth and in so many wrinkles there was a number of things and
it became a rage in the 20s and there's a lot of research done
on not only you look better, but you also you might live longer
there's a million reasons these vasectomies were used for this
but but it was also noticed by myself and others that the look
was really a lay it all lesbian look developed it regular matter
a while then you started look like an old woman you had in the
skin was white is not a good thing. So I just waited P I
tried to dissuade people from getting vasectomy is but most of
the time the women have it, you know, the the spouse look,
Adam Curry: if she wants it, and you're gonna do it, she got you
by the balls already, brother. So you might as well just get
get
John C Dvorak: and why she says well, there's other things you
could do.
Adam Curry: Well, here's the here's the one thing, and I
don't know how old you are, Brian, but my good friend Mike.
He's the former cop from Kerrville with anger management
issues. And so He's really He's remarried and you know, he's now
50 is in his 50s and is significantly younger hot wife
wants to have a baby you know, so now he's got to reverse this.
It which rarely works well you know, he doesn't he doesn't even
like the whole idea. But you know, she loves her so he's
probably gonna have to go for it so and that's a good it's a pain
in the ass. I mean, well, not really pale somewhere else where
so we can't we Other than that,
John C Dvorak: I think is symbolic. I think you're getting
you're just being Kim I think symbolic castration that's my
opinion.
Adam Curry: And say hi to your wife. I'm sure she loves
listening to the show and
John C Dvorak: I'm sure all of vasectomy victims out there that
listen to this show they just right at the moment there's
those goes the donations for the next show.
Adam Curry: vasectomy victims is this should be a group that that
vasectomy victims anonymous vva Jelena Okay, thank you very much
Brian. I'll do it in the in the indie no agenda meetup
Greenwood, Indiana 226 switcharoo donation for Julie
SRECS what what you
John C Dvorak: want them to do the raffle? Yeah, and I think
they had
Adam Curry: they sent a I think there's a meet up report. That's
right. She won the raffle. And she's also not only She's a
longtime listener, but now first time donors she needs to do
she's
Unknown: been de deuced cool.
Adam Curry: Add the indie thing there too. So we have
John C Dvorak: a darker Newcomb is up. And he's in Houston,
Texas, two to three. And he says I needed to do shoot.
Unknown: You've been D deuced.
John C Dvorak: Please allow me to shill for one of my favorite
podcasts blood satellite excellent show just wanted to
give them a boost and thank you guys as well. For all the great
content bring back Zippy karma Yeah, karma Bitcoin trucker horn
somebody asked me either the no agenda thing or you know what do
you what do we have a donation level so we can have the note to
complete note read in zip his voice Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: a great idea. I could pull in big bucks from the
shop.
John C Dvorak: Well I was so I first came up with a bill any
you know exactly you could probably done I said no, no, no,
no, no. I immediately thought executive producer only Yeah,
then I said well, I didn't put this on myself. How about 500
bucks
Adam Curry: Shut up he's getting all jacked up
John C Dvorak: I'm worth a lot I'm not just some cheap or Yeah,
okay. All right.
Adam Curry: Hold on I need to do the jingles here for the
John C Dvorak: was yeah karma Bitcoin trucker horn was going
to do it in the
Adam Curry: in the end reverse reverse order.
Unknown: That's ended
Adam Curry: all hell is gonna break loose and you're gonna
need a Bitcoin
Unknown: you've got Harma
Adam Curry: Thank you. Jeffrey Williams Broomfield, Colorado
rubber ducks. tu tu tu tu tu tu i took the slow boat from grime
America to no agenda nation but what a fantastic trip. Please
extract me from the douche canoe.
Unknown: De deuced.
John C Dvorak: Like douche Greg gana is back from ever. Ever
robic in Parker, Colorado. And she says it is a switcheroo
donation from a human Resource Alice so we have a human
resource getting this donation in February 19 was her birthday
and I would like to beg you all if you could maybe sing her a
happy birthday song to Alice you can sing
Adam Curry: dee doo deuced I'm happy birthday to you Happy
birthday to you Happy birthday dear Alice Happy birthday to
you.
John C Dvorak: Thank you JP you got the exclusive Zippy song
let's return and by the way, kept it in tune a much better
than Adams everyday. She turned five years old. If not please
read this Happy Birthday Alice mommy and Billy love you very
much. And please d do her and she loves the jiggler you've
been de Deus. Could you play that we played? She goes around
saying that everywhere. Even if she goes around saying it
everywhere. Even in pre K. You'll ban de douche. And I'm
pretty sure her teachers have no clue what she's saying and why
hahaha
Adam Curry: I would just say D juiced make sure that if there's
any question of Gee juicy juice Yeah, in fact, Simon Doyle is
from Orefield pa $200 Associate Executive Producer titled love
the show. Thanks for all you do. This is my first time donation.
So I must request a D juicing. God blessed by Hashem you got
it? Oh my gosh, can you
Unknown: do deuced kind of.
John C Dvorak: And finally, the last one or this is Scott fuller
incoming Georgia for 200 and John Celie and dodge North
Dakota, both of them with no notes. So give them a combined
double
Adam Curry: double pharma, you've got pharma, and those are
the executive and Associate Executive producers for episode
1532. This means that you get that forever title executive
producer of this no agenda episode or Associate Executive
Producer. You can use those wherever credits or record white
and wherever you want. Of course, credit credits will be
recognized. You could put them on your IMDB you can put them in
your LinkedIn, put them on your resume, if anyone ever questions
that we will be happy to vouch for you. And John's gonna take
us through to the 50s and we'll wrap it up with our birthdays
and meetups and our nice things and gaming's
John C Dvorak: Shawn Oh, enterprising in Philadelphia 135
And he's got some some D douchey things needed with the Nate and
other 76 club members.
Unknown: You've been D deuced.
John C Dvorak: Jason Jason Jason bibble Bible, BYOB L E. B back
BYBL. In Austin, Texas. One 220 12 D. Marcus in Winnipeg,
Canada want to live in 33. Shane, we're wearing God wearing
god I'm guessing in Byron Center, Michigan, 100 Joseph
armory, or Amory in Piscataway, New Jersey 100 in field 100
Tommy B in Hillsborough, New Jersey. 100. He needs a D
douching.
Unknown: Band D deuced.
John C Dvorak: Sir Chris Gray of the Isle of Wight in Covington,
Louisiana, 888 ser la de 808 Bremerton, Washington and the
newsletter guide me says Okay, Sir Kevin McLaughlin and Locust
North Carolina is there for another in a row of 808 Boob
donations. Brand Coffman in Scottsdale, Arizona. 7575.
Jonathan color Keller's Nick in Washington DC 75 in D if that's
your name are in our content LLC in Trumbull Connecticut. He's
Yes, we did. Okay, sir. slurred abart fast in hope Rhode Island
to the 678 Matthew Lane Hart in Buford, Georgia, and he's got a
birthday and he's chemo set to 110 Sir Jules reed in Honolulu,
Hawaii. 5155 10. Sir Glenn in Raleigh, North Carolina. 5510.
Serene, nice Marti. Sure even as he's always very always, always
active. He's always in there. No agenda, social. Culpeper,
Virginia. 5271. Brian Richardson in Aurora, Illinois has a long
note because he's becoming nighted And I think it should be
I guess we can read like to read parts of these notes. Yes.
Adam Curry: Yes, indeed. He says I found the show by listening to
Scott Horton, which is no small podcast. Scott Scott Horton
donation, found that on the stream back in 2011. I do
believe your show was playing instead of his work one day and
the rest is history. No agenda has read pilled me no sorry,
without the intention, which is depressing most times, but has
done for me what I can put into words right now. You definitely
helped me laugh about it all. And it is a quality product. I
met Adam and the keeper in Des Moines and was at the keep up in
Chicago. I would love to meet John some day. I was listening
to Korean zookeeper number 32 incredibly funny, by the way,
and I'd mentioned how close I was to knighthood at the dinner
but I didn't have my night name figured out thanks to the
keeper. Sir Brian with an eye and the rest of the fantastic
people that were there. I decided on Sir Brian with a why
the rest of the fantastic people that were there. Oh, the copious
party favors the roundtable already great. I don't need to
burden the staff. I hope to maybe come down to the national
meet up April 17. When and whenever the Indy one will be.
It'll be sometime our Chicago group is going to find our way
there soon regardless to look out and they do it on a weekend.
All right, thank you very much. And you're on deck for for your
knighting and thanks for showing up at the meet up and to keep
up. That's great. I'll go straight through forest Martin
came in with 5005 and we have another royalty here with 5002 m
of the midvalley and with this humble donation I push past the
threshold of knighthood. I request the title sir M Madson
of the Mid Valley. I also humbly request dad jokes and double
espresso at the roundtable. Lastly, if I could get a plug
for my ongoing project or labor of love slash exit strategy,
anti computer.org Ah, yes, I know this product. It's the only
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anti computer.org. It's an online periodical that uses
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say for one article, the Jhansi Dvorak graciously allowed to be
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Check it out visit the anti computer.org store buy a shower
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on the podium in moments as well.
John C Dvorak: The following people are $50 donors I'm just
going to read the names and locations starting with Michael
Romano in Sebastopol. David Perdue in Snow Hill, North
Carolina and Alexa Delgado in Aptos, California Bart Baek
Valder in Veghel, Netherlands, and Nora de Brabant, Daniel
Kelly and Falls Church, Virginia. BRAC saw brands LLC,
in Portland, Oregon, Donald luck in Pottsville, Pennsylvania,
Daniel laboy in Bath Michigan. Nessa Sir and sir Patrick may
calm in New York City, Tatiana Prince in Hollywood, Florida,
Robert case and mill spring, North Carolina Christy Jones and
demorest ga are Demarest Robert Hannah and Poway, California.
Matt Illingworth in Montclair, New Jersey, John Lorenson,
pellets, Texas. Kate Haskell and San Rafael, California. Sam
long story, Sam Williams and bow Creek. Yes. Battle Creek,
Michigan he's
Adam Curry: looking for work he's newly divorced and looking
for work. All right, yeah.
John C Dvorak: No Sam, Julian Robinson Aptos Cal another
Aptos. California to meet up there Allen being certain Barron
Allen being in Beaverton Oregon. Michael stadium. Parts Unknown
answer hold my beer is still there in Austin, Texas. Want to
thank these people for all these people for making everything
work here and the no agenda show? 1523 3215 32
Adam Curry: and I want to say hi to Sir Julian. He drove out from
Bastrop to have lunch with me on was it Tuesday, here in
Fredericksburg. You remember him from the Bastrop meetup that he
and his his Dame put in a huge donation at the time. And he
said you know Do I really love the donation segments? Do people
understand how much content there really is in those
donation segments? I don't know. I don't know. They do seem to
come back after the segment. But yeah, there is a drop off about
7%. I agree. I think some of our best work is in these segments.
Thank you.
John C Dvorak: I'm gonna thank Deborah for the card is nice.
Thank you.
Adam Curry: Thank you to all of our execs, associate execs, they
have the Forever titles of course, thank you everyone all
the way up to $50 under that, we do not mention for reasons of
anonymity we try and keep it that way. But we do appreciate
everyone who was on those sustaining donations. You can
find out more about them at our website
Unknown: vora.org/and
Adam Curry: Emma's give a little service good karma for those who
need it and thank all of you for supporting the no agenda Show
episode 1532 formula is this. We go out we hit people in the
mouth
today, we're gonna look at Robin wishes her daughter Alice Happy
Birthday turned five on February 19. And Zippy did all of that
work for so good. Dame Sam Cat of southern Knight county
celebrating today the 23rd Sir Lena wishes Josh Bradford they
have to birthday turns 39 tomorrow and damn DRAM mad Dave
The midvalley wishes are sweetums em on the MINVALUE
Happy Birthday and we say happy birthday from everybody here is
the best podcast in the universe
don't want to be induced we have one title change you heard it
earlier Dame Lady Bird now becomes barren that just Lady
Bird eagle of Toledo Bend and we welcome her to this a higher
level on the peerage ladder and thank you very much for your
extra support. We really do appreciate it we got two knights
on deck John out out. I cut myself to need your blade you go
on let me just put this bandaid on. Thank you. Two nights on
deck. There we go. Brian Richardson step up here on the
podium and am of the Mid Valley both views supported the no
agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more and I'm therefore
very proud to pronounce the Kate the as Sir Brian with a why and
sir M match son of the Mid Valley for you gentlemen. By
request we have of course hookers and blow rent boys and
Chardonnay. Also dad jokes with double espresso. We got to warm
beer and cold women fish pine fellatio we got some harlots and
how old all we got redheads and rise organic macaroni and
plasticiser beer and blunt Rubenesque woman and rose a
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but of course, where would we be without mutton and meat feast on
that with all the rest of the Knights and Dames here at the
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signed by John and myself thank you again for supporting the no
agenda Show
All right, we got we got meetup reports here. We got meetup
reports written one from Sir from Roger roundy. From the
senile POTUS Washington DC 19th of February meet up. He didn't
send in a piece of audio and make me do the work in
attendance were Willow ah grim. Sir Penton pantile Jellinek Kurt
be the human action handyman, Renegade and a Polish dude named
Job Polish dude named jobs. We saw close up Ron Paul, Jimmy
Dore and Dennis Kucinich among many others also let celebrities
we met people all over the political spectrum, including
commies, lib tardes peaceniks, alt right, a deep sea diver and
Tulsi Gabbard, this would have been funny if you'd recorded
this actually. After four long freakin hours of speeches. It
was just me and job left. Job left for the final march to the
White House and after that, long people were cranky, megaphones,
arguments chubby anarchists T boned my senile POTUS sign. A
seven year old nearly took out job with his cane It was
awesome. Peace out. Sounds like a good time man. These no agenda
meetups you never know what's gonna happen. Let's go to fish
town.
Unknown: This is Sean here from local 76 and Philadelphia
Brewing Company. We got 10 people here on our second no our
third anniversary my second as a host, Craig Rob and Nate have
all contributed a total of $135 as their membership douche.
Please do douche them guys. And don't give us that Chinese
leadership
as a warning. This
is Nate from pizza town. Love you guys. Thank you for your
courage.
It's Rob from Brooklyn here the 76 is on your Meetup. And I do
believe
this is Lou in the morning all the douchebags out there donate
donate.
Hey it's suburban Shan
This is in future Lady of the Philadelphia Badlands I just
want to hit say hi to Zippy
This is Jason having a few beers but with some sophisticated
people
so glad that when introduced me to this and summer and I surely
appreciate you guys and what I learned thank you this is Kylie
Adam Curry: Yeah, another big meter. Now people when you're
sending these file names, label them please I forgot now who
this is from but here we go. You do Yeah. Smokey. Okay, well, I'm
gonna have to edit that one. Sorry. This. I mean, if that's
not that's something I can play out of the box. I took a risk.
And the same with this one. This is from things that in DNA meet
up. It's a risk. Let's see what happened happens.
Unknown: This is Mark, this is Maria.
Adam Curry: These guys know what they're doing from our monthly
Indianapolis
Unknown: meetup. Hi, this is Cindy from Carmel. Thank you for
your courage and I do believe this books are facts. Hi, this
is Julie from fishers. So this is my first meetup. I won the
raffle and I'm no longer a douchebag
this is sort of over the mobile. This is a great meetup but until
the government's about it all of our party balloons are made in
China. Would you like to read in my beautiful blue? Hey, I
think I caught the talk this month. This is Emily goes boots
in the morning.
Hey Is Gary from Greenwood we
have a serious situation we need to get up to Lake Huron and I'm
getting his search and rescue party together to get our
400,000 plus dollars of taxpayer money back who's with me
Scarlet P from
Chicago basically tried versus survived father and David Dorita
del brewski hair drinking some beers in the morning to you John
and Adam. This is Nick mark is wearing a Hawaiian shirt used to
spook was Mike's
and Fort Wayne. We've come over to take over the intergroup but
we're not succeeding very well. In the morning.
This is Shannon from faraway and visiting in Annapolis. Everyone
here is 33% happier now that we've eaten our daily assessment
of kale
in the morning. This is Dame Trinity having a great time in
India. Thank you for your courage
in the Morning John and Adam and serve PBR street gang here in
Indianapolis having a great time thinking to you, Jeremy from
Nappanee, Indiana in the morning, not from Indianapolis
is a big balloon at the table, but no f 22
and from Nappanee and I'm not taking that balloon home
Adam Curry: man that is such a big group the indie meetup I
mean that thing's growing and then the Chicago guys and gals
are going to come down and join them that's going to be off the
hook we that's what we need to do a tri state meet up. I'm
going to coordinate this with the keep
John C Dvorak: a Missouri putting Michigan one in that's
what I'm saying. We
Adam Curry: throw them all together. The imagine that meet
up. Alright first one, the 17th of April that's that's a natural
one we're going to do. All right. Here's what's coming up
tomorrow. We've got the I must be high number eight seven
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We've got the international slaves do Naza I do Nanga Miami
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Southside okie city Hui Hui meet up one o'clock garage more off i
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Warren Rhode Island QC and a two o'clock in armored gardens
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the next show day the linkage of amygdala shrinkage. There'll be
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Unknown: Sometimes you want to go hang out with Dyson days. You
won't be triggered you to be where everybody feels the same.
Is like
Adam Curry: we on time bow. Done a lot today. A lot of talking
I'm slipping a little bit but we're trying to work on ready
John C Dvorak: for us. I suppose.
Adam Curry: Me got only two.
John C Dvorak: I don't think I'm very I got three pay your two
ready for the big one.
Unknown: Thank you very much for your courage.
Adam Curry: Shit sound nothing good. Sorry. That's all I got
and I'm unprepared woefully unprepared for this. I'm sorry.
John C Dvorak: Okay, well, let's play minus if there's anything
here that's worth a crap. Okay, start with Saiga and so the saga
continues.
Adam Curry: Better than anything I got. Yeah. What's your next
one?
John C Dvorak: Sexism. Oh,
Unknown: this is blatant sexism.
Adam Curry: That fits a little more with our show. And the
third one,
John C Dvorak: the rain, the rain,
Adam Curry: Ginny is coming back. No, no, no, this is
Unknown: This is blatant sexism. That's us. I mean, that's fine.
John C Dvorak: I'll let it go.
Adam Curry: I mean, totally good with it. I mean, that whole
vasectomy segment. That was
John C Dvorak: sec. Well, I got a clip to follow on the
vasectomy segment. I thought people should at least hear
this. Okay. What do you guys are talking about it here too. Oh,
this is the clip China, S Korea, Japan, birth rates
Unknown: China, Japan and now South Korea. All these nations
are setting new records for low fertility. The demographic issue
has become a growing policy concern throughout much of East
Asia, where shrinking and aging populations are fueling labor
shortages. However, fewer than 250,000 babies were born in
South Korea in 2022. Officials say on average, a woman now
gives birth to about 0.78 children in her lifetime. That's
the lowest fertility rate in the OECD. Policymakers point to a
shift in the role of women in South Korean society. Many are
waiting both to get married and to have children. The government
is concerned and it's creating new incentives for couples to
expand their families, including help to get women back to work
post birth and more affordable housing. Well, South Korea is
not alone in seeing a low birth rate as a threat to its
survival. Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo mele says the
issue has put Japan social support system on the verge of
collapse. And Chinese experts worry it will put the brakes on
Beijing's economic growth.
Adam Curry: Well, this takes me right back to the former New
York banker what he said. He said we we win, we win over
everybody. As long as we have enough more more people in
America. And the way we do that is just open the borders. That's
how you win that did that apparently is all that counts.
China, Japan, South Korea, they can't keep up. They have no
borders to let people into.
John C Dvorak: Brother is that no.
Adam Curry: I I'm reminded
John C Dvorak: you know that one of the things that was in that
little laundry list, which would maybe help was the get women
back to work. And I think maybe there's just the opposite.
Because if you look at the elites, the women delimiter they
do a lot but they don't have jobs. I could look at it. You
know, what was it unIess Kennedy by Robert Kennedy's wife had
like eight kids I mean, kids Robert Kennedy half Yeah,
something like that. The elites are reproducing like that. And
they don't make their mean she does work the work is raising
the eight kids this but along with 30 works ism. Yeah, there
you go. I get my sexism look, David handle write down my main
business,
Adam Curry: you know, you know, see Mike. See, Mike sent me you
may have gotten to two we got his Christmas letter, and his
piggy had eight kids. That's a nine one isn't heaven, but eight
kids. Now like go see, Mike. I think that I agree. We should be
making our own kids. Loss of them.
John C Dvorak: Though, I think I do have some other stuff. If you
want to play a role.
Adam Curry: I have something very important to play. And it's
a warning. Warning. It's a warning. It's a warning. And as
a celebrity in years gone by you
John C Dvorak: the washed up podcast is a washed
Adam Curry: up VJ with Tourette Syndrome. Back in the day, you
know, you can ask for stuff reality shows all kinds of
stuff. You know, sometimes it's one of those shows where they,
you know, they'll ask everyone the same 50 Questions like and
they package it into a special, like Best Songs of the 80s You
know, and then you know, they'll have little blip blips of little
clips of people and other times a little more long form show and
I want to warn against participating in shows that
could surprise you, for instance, and I saw this happen
in the UK I think it started in the UK this show and now it's a
it probably is maybe a BBC show. That's why PBS has it now here
it's called Hold on a second, what is it called? It's called
Find your roots. And what they do is though, so you so you're a
celebrity. And you know, and then they're going to trace your
roots and it always winds up like this. Your ancestors were
slave owners. I mean, this has always happened. Yes, this is
true.
John C Dvorak: I watched this guy gates, his black guy doesn't
have PVA, Henry Gates, Jr. Gates. It's always everybody was
a slave owner,
Adam Curry: they will they flip the script, they flip the
script. And they and here's a snippet of PBS is finding your
roots. And they and they and they, the celebrity in this case
was Angela Davis. Angela Davis, who admitted Marxist, Angela
Davis, who teaches people about the slavery of our country and
how we are horrible people. And here's the payoff.
Unknown: Any idea what you're looking at? That is list of the
passengers on the Mayflower? No, I can't believe this did not
come here on the mate. Your ancestors came on the Mayflower.
descendant, one of the 101 people who sailed on the
Mayflower.
That's a little bit too much
to deal with right now. Did you ever in your wildest dreams
think that you may have descended from people who laid
never the foundation? Never this? Never. Never? Whoa, you
got butt slap?
Adam Curry: I mean, that is unbelievable. A that they do
that to her? But did they broadcast it? I mean, isn't that
just crazy? It is crazy. And what a what a? I mean, all the
things she said about slavery. And her ancestors came over on
the Mayflower and participated actively in slavery. Obviously,
oh, goodness, is let this be a warning to all of you
celebrities or influencers or whatever you're called out
there. influencers? Let me see if I had anything else. Oh, yes.
This is probably worth mentioning. Since I don't know,
it may, I think, when it comes to an example of the if there's
a country where everyone can point to and say, oh, you know,
they should have not they should have listened. This should have
stayed in the EU, you know? Yeah, that Brexit big mistake.
Now you're all going to die.
Unknown: Yes. One as an independent act of frontline
journalism, your cameraman here, Mike Simon's and myself went to
the test goes behind us. And yes, they have no tomatoes, and
they're blaming adverse weather. So what's it all about? Well,
primarily, just that a run of unusually cold weather in
southern Spain, and North Africa, Tunisia, right across to
Egypt, where at this time of the year, the UK can get up to 95%
of its requirements of certain lines of vegetable smarter virus
in North Africa, adding into that, second, the energy crisis
we do use grows in the Netherlands quite intensively
this time of year. They've decided it's too expensive
because of electricity prices. You don't just have to heat up
the greenhouses. Of course, you have light the short hours of
daylight as well. It's too much they're not doing it. Then look
at what the NFU was saying just that it's conference last few
days that the amount of vegetables that we're growing
under glass is at its lowest level, certainly in some lines.
Minette batters, the NFU leader said since 1985, when Records
began, yes, it will get better. There's a thing called Spring
coming on British growers will kick in. It is temporary, but
maybe for go a few cucumbers, tomatoes and some lettuces and
peppers for the time being.
Adam Curry: So basically, there's a shortage of fruit and
veg in the UK and people are kind of freaking out. There's no
vegetables
John C Dvorak: and the shortage was there and Brexit it out or
not. It's all gonna be the shortage. Of course not,
Adam Curry: of course, but that's just being used now. Oh,
you shouldn't have Brexit issue.
John C Dvorak: You know, we have a cold snap out here, which is
another, you know, where's the global warming? Yeah, but up in
Port Angeles, they've had something which is really cold.
There was a first and I never heard of this. And it's never
happened before we've had to place up there forever. Straight
effects, no straight effect snow, just like lake effect
snow, but it's from the Straits of Juan de Fuca, which is the
northern part of that area between Canada and the United
States between Port Angeles and Victoria, Canada. That's the
Straits of Juan de Fuca and as snow is being formed off the
lake just like off the streets just like lake effect snow, and
it produces this which I've experienced once I knew I was in
Cleveland by coincidence. And would they had lake effect snow
and they're producing Lake Texas no in Washington now.
Adam Curry: At least that's what they're calling it. Who knows?
Who knows? I just I just I gotta get this one out to have you
seen Laura Barron Lopez? No, she is the new hot shit reporter at
the PBS NewsHour
John C Dvorak: she's probably seen her then.
Adam Curry: Oh man she is she's the total perfect multi CultI
girl.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, the when you can identify the
Adam Curry: name gives it away
John C Dvorak: but that name does but you can run into you
know Soledad O'Brien, for example, is a good example of
what is she?
Adam Curry: Well, I think she's Mexican. A Mexican American
Laura Barron Lopez. She's young. She comes from political as she
really no she came out of school into politico now she is. I
think they they're calling her Judy's replacement. Which seems
a bit
John C Dvorak: girl that's probably since she's the one who
does this. She's been doing Judy's replacement job for quite
a while the same person
Adam Curry: for the curly long hair now this can't be her.
Maybe she's replacing someone.
John C Dvorak: I'm sure it's this. What's your name? Um,
Adam Curry: so she's the White House correspondent for PBS
NewsHour. Okay.
John C Dvorak: The White House Chris White. Spell it.
Adam Curry: Bought own ba R O N dash Lopez. Laura Barron Lopez.
And cute smile.
John C Dvorak: No, I've seen this girl. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So but she's also a a pundit for CNN. And so
Unknown: she's on a roll. Yeah. And
Adam Curry: you know, so here's what happened. It was a huge
upset in journalism land, because Kevin McCarthy has given
Tucker Carlson 40,000 hours of January 6 tapes. And this of
course, is an outrage. He didn't give it to the people. No, he
gave it
John C Dvorak: to Tucker Carlson another topic of outrage pod.
Exactly. So everybody's going on and on about who cares. Let's
see what they come up with
Unknown: Kevin McCarthy is giving Fox's Tucker Carlson
access to 10s of 1000s of hours of January 6 security footage
your tax dollars paid for most of the cameras that captured the
scene inside and around the Capitol that day. With speaker
McCarthy is granting access only to Carlson and to Fox Carlson is
a frequent McCarthy critic who says the speaker has no
ideological core. Carlson also repeatedly spreads conspiracies
about the attack suggesting it was orchestrated somehow by the
deep state, the FBI, not the pro Trump mob, as we all witnessed,
our reporters are back around the table. Why?
Well, I think we have to ask, you know,
Adam Curry: this is her.
Unknown: We have to look at Tucker Carlson and the fact that
Tucker Carlson is one of the leading propagandists on Fox and
that he has lied Oh, January, repeatedly has lied about the
2020 election and the fact that this comes on the heels of
documentation and evidence showing that Tucker Carlson knew
that those were lies about election fraud around the 2020
election, still decided to go on air and talk about it. And
McCarthy knows that and he's deciding to hand it over to
someone who is going to filter the message anyway.
So is it is it than simply raw politics.
Adam Curry: But wait, there's more people sitting around this
table. These are all high level correspondents for CNN,
Unknown: Kevin McCarthy has only a four seat majority, Kevin
McCarthy could be recalled essentially by his members at
any moment. One of his sharpest critics happened to be one of
the most popular programs among the mega base and Kevin McCarthy
is saying Tucker, if I give you these tapes stop saying this.
McCarthy is not especially conservative. He is in fact
ideologically agnostic first released the January 6 files,
not some of the January 6 files and video, all of it. And
there's worse than that. Really a conservative he's agnostic, he
laughs with the breeze. Uh, he has said worse is that simply
what this is? Maybe if I give this to you, you'll be nice to
me. Well, I think yes. As it seems, Oh, you
Adam Curry: missed it. You still listen to listen to this show?
Go back, multi CultI girl giggle in the background. This guy says
Oh, clearly that's that's a quid pro quo.
Unknown: Worse than that. I mean, he said she said he's not
really a conservative. He's agnostic. He you know, perhaps
with the breeze, or he has said worse. Is that simply what this
is? Maybe if I give this to you, you'll be nice to me. Well, I
think your question is yes. pretty transparent
Adam Curry: There you go. People that's why we're here. Not to
bring you outrage but to laugh at stupid people. That's why
we're really here. Should we call it a day?
John C Dvorak: I think we better Okay.
Adam Curry: All right. We I have so much work to do our post
production kind of fix all the things we said wrong. Gotta edit
it out. Gotta make you sound a little more ballsy takes me
hours to do all that so
John C Dvorak: and get closer to the mic that'll
Adam Curry: help. We have end of show mixes coming up. Let me see
who we have. We've got Matty J. Mr. Information is back Sir
Michael Anthony and Steve No, not Steve Jones. We caught him
out. Steve Oh, Leola Pukas right. Sorry, Steve. You got
vetoed. Coming up next I know agenda stream we got hogs Story
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everybody I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley where I remain
I'm John C Devorah. We returned
Adam Curry: on Sunday right here with another hours and hours and
hours long of your media deconstruction until then adios
mofos Hui Hui, and such
Unknown: back in the day that backer would say Do No Harm now
they're sick sick with a stick a prick in your arm. Be quiet,
just try it. No need for alarm. The real star stuff feels like
an animal farm see the big wake pig state laughing cause they're
almost close to replace some cash with drugs. No meat for the
sheep just grass and bugs but dogs got so passed a bone we're
not alone but tribe itself that to the drones. They'll say that
you're crazier than gay on Jones for rationing gas. It's
happening fast. The times passing unmasking the sinister
side of high fashion. I tried to have compassion to live in let
live but refuse to be school stop pimping the kids use the
booze like to loose at the move on Route. Now these dudes look
like Swayze and to Wong foo shoot might be crazy, but I
don't think they can change genders and turn to what six
from left to right. Why does the media push sex and violence? Why
did they derive that humanity inside us and hide us from the
truth with the news shit is ruthless. Produce clueless
humans, who conclude meditation is useless but she never met a
Buddhist that would shoot kids medication students on computers
losing the youth kids Snapchat news reducing the potential of
other future dropping faster than teen ballers get in
boosters. psych meds live in life through a screen fact
tweets on sandy bars vaccines tick tock that stands for big
tech schemes. The long term effects remain to be seen.
What's up New York City. This is your mayor up on Staten Island
where we just had a visit from Florida Governor Ron De Santis.
And you know, I had to throw some shade on Twitter. Well,
Governor, I hope you enjoyed your visit to New York City, a
place where our school libraries is rated x a place where
everybody is either a victim or oppressor, a place where we
invite all immigrants and then complain when they show up a
place where a human being ain't nothing but a clump of cells. So
you go on back down to Florida now you're hurt. All right in
New York City. I'm gonna see y'all later stay woke
and I will say that there no major plot twist waiting for
you.
We are now hearing from someone who was inside the grand jury
that investigated the election crimes of Donald Trump.
That's not the way I expected this to go at all.
Potentially. It might. That was really cool for me.
I would say that I don't think that there any like, especially
if they've been following the
investigation.
By I'm sure that might have been. Totally,
that was pretty much that. Okay, we're good bye.
John C Dvorak: They're doing Satan. Worship right in front of
her throwing it in their face. Yes. At the beginning.
Adam Curry: They come from sky. She is at the top of the pyramid
in the red dress. She is the Red Queen. Everyone knows this is
the Red Queen. This is the devil. Yeah, she's pregnant with
the Antichrist, of course, but get the throne. You didn't see
that? Well, let me let me break it down for you because I saw it
right. You'd seen her red dress, Sam Smith, Rihanna, heaven
forbid. So everybody's read. She's thrown the Illuminati
triangle. Satan worship Wait a minute Illuminati bull crap.
John C Dvorak: It was just dumb. I mean, I like I said I just
thought it was lousy but it was boring it's what I watch for
this what you watch for and this is where everyone thinks you're
great this is all Satan worship right in front of an NFL
audience is symbolic all ritual below 180 millions worldwide
once again she's
Adam Curry: pregnant with the Antichrist blows possible the
Antichrist has come up with the evidence
John C Dvorak: to prove it that was an IRA like just look at you
know, Thomas. Yeah, I think you probably right the queen is
Adam Curry: here to tell us
Unknown: hobo bora.org/in A, this is blatant
sexism.