John C. Dvorak: Oh, a webinar,
Unknown: Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Sunday July 19 2020. This is your award winning
combination media assassination episode 1261
Unknown: This is no agenda.
Adam Curry: Lm Mo and broadcasting live from
opportunity's own 33 Here at the frontier of Austin, Texas
capital of the drone stars thing in the morning everybody. I'm
Adam curry,
John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley LS MFT
I'm John C. Dvorak.
Unknown: Crackpot and Buzzkill
Adam Curry: Wait a minute. Are we the two hippest guys on the
planet? Do we have new acronyms?
John C. Dvorak: Lucky Strike means fine tobacco.
Adam Curry: Oh, l m m o laughing my mask off. Come on now. Come
on now. It's a good one. Yeah, one for the books, one for the
books I'm
John C. Dvorak: in. Well, welcome
Adam Curry: to the one of the epicenters of the of the surge.
Where
John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah. Well, you're the second year they'd
like to wouldn't be penultimate epicenter. Second two, yes. Yes.
Well,
Adam Curry: of course, we just visited the actual epicenter in
Florida, and didn't die there either. So we're still hanging
in. We're hopeful. We'll get through this. Our governor has
said that don't have to worry. We're not going to lock down
which kind of threw some. Some sand in the eyes of our local
mayor who had been using this lock down coming to threaten
everybody like them in the next two weeks will be the most
important this is we have too many cases it's going out of
control. And then we had the best fear porn ever come across
the transom on Friday.
Unknown: 85 infants have tested positive for Coronavirus in
Nueces County, which includes Corpus Christi, the public
health director made that announcement this week and urged
residents to wear masks and practice social distancing.
These babies have not even had their first birthday yet. Please
help us to stop the spread of this disease.
No other details were provided on the condition of those
infants. But Corpus Christi currently has 82 deaths linked
to the virus.
Adam Curry: Alright, this needs to be deconstructed that you
would think the voice in the middle is the public health
director for Nueces County, which includes includes Corpus
Christi, and this report was very, very mean. to first say 85
Babies have tested positive, not mentioning if they were sick or
not. And then end the report with 82 have died so far.
John C. Dvorak: But they meant 82 Total people didn't they?
Adam Curry: Of course, but it's meant to put something into your
brain.
Unknown: No other details were provided on the condition of
those infants. But Corpus Christi currently has 82 deaths
linked to the virus.
Adam Curry: But here is the kicker. Yeah, nice.
John C. Dvorak: Nice. Well, It
Adam Curry: Gets Better It Gets Better. It gets better. This so
this one viral. Everyone's tripping out all babies. Oh, no.
It's his school schools up what babies? The this report and many
similar to it neglect to mention that the 85 infants who tested
positive is a total number since the beginning of March. But do
you think anyone will care about that part of it? Or will it just
be the 85 children are gone? They're almost dead. Wow. Yeah,
it's in that's just fear porn, fear porn and probably
irresponsible journalism. But cry made it sound like I heard
that report. I thought it sounded they're having like this
day. Yeah, let's see five babies. And that's what the
report was deposited. And now you can see that they've changed
their stories. The headlines remain the same 85 in infants 85
Babies test positive COVID Corpus Christi, new Asus, and
then some of them have added down somewhere in the story that
it was a total starting as of March one. So this this is the
kind of stuff that we have to be very careful of also 38,000 It's
an announcement is it's actually in the news 38,000 trainees are
now starting their medical residency during this pandemic.
It's this is from CNN, who are happy to report it and neglects
to report that statistically deaths go up a little bit in
July because of the 38,000 trainees who come in and are
learning on the job. It's not really something they advertise
I guess but we know this is well known within the medical
community, community community. Then I have a question for you.
Have you received an email or heard from someone you know,
that has said something like this? Today a group of family
friends young 20 Somethings drove to San Diego You're from
Northern San Diego County to get in line for COVID testing, they
signed in and got in line. One of them got tired of waiting in
line to be tested. So he left and went home. His test results
came back positive. He wasn't tested and his test results came
back positive. I have received a similar message from at least 15
people and I've seen twice that many stories on Twitter. Is this
something that is actually rampant? Where even if you if
you sign up, you don't get to test somehow it comes back
positive maybe by default, or is this one of those urban legends?
Were a good friend of mine said or a buddy of mine went through
this. What do you think?
John C. Dvorak: Well, it has the well, because of his nature, it
has all the earmarks of an urban legend. Bullcrap story. Yeah. So
you have to assume it is
Adam Curry: no okay. Well, I'm planning on getting on
registering for a test and then not taking the test and see if
it comes back. Just as a personal
John C. Dvorak: starting point to verify this idea. And
furthermore,
Adam Curry: the state of Texas has now removed 3484 cases from
its COVID-19 positive case comp, because San Antonio's health
department was reporting probable cases, for people who
are never actually tested as confirmed positive. There's a
lot of stupidity with this testing and how, what number
what value we're attaching to it. And even the death count.
Did you see that email someone sent back a note about the graph
you put in the newsletter?
John C. Dvorak: Okay, what else? No, I did not see it. No. So
Adam Curry: it was the death count graph. And you saw that it
kind of all peaked in April. And now it was in April down close
to zero. And, and someone replies it I put this on Twitter
and right away was schooled by everybody that that's that graph
is wrong. The death counters 1002. Where'd you get that graph
from?
John C. Dvorak: It's a It's a compilation of CDC CDC stats
that you can look up to CDC graph. That's one of them. The
other one's a UK graph. I don't know where that
Adam Curry: came from. But the grid was the green one. And you
know, the the UK graph was looks about right. But the I don't
know. I'm just saying that. If you there's no way you can
convince anybody who's all in and believes everything. Just
forget about it. Sit back, relax.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, in fact, you have not worth it to the mid
it's obvious that in mid April, this thing peaked out which is
what Cuomo said was happening. I mean, everyone's knows this
exactly why they want to not why they're in denial about is just
I think it's just a mechanism of marketing to keep everybody all
jacked up about the vaccine.
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, the vaccine and politics and so they
can continuously about Trump is just bitched about Trump bitch
about Trump keep on going. But as predicted, it looks like we
have the Act Three coming into play with the vaccine I'm going
to lead you into I see you have some clips about this. So this
should probably work perfectly. Texas once again, clips, Texas
once again is a spot Well, what?
John C. Dvorak: I've been chatting and you don't hear me
most of the time for some reason.
Adam Curry: Maybe I was ignoring you. What were you saying?
John C. Dvorak: I said what clips you talking about? Fauci
clips. Oh, yeah, Fauci.
Adam Curry: So, I'm gonna lead you into Fauci is what I was
saying. It was. He was supposed to be slick, but it really
failed.
John C. Dvorak: Well, yeah. Because you said the vaccine
clips and I don't like seeing.
Adam Curry: Okay. So we're moving into Act Three, as it
pertains to this pandemic. And clearly, it's the vaccine stage,
and everyone's getting all excited, and it's almost like a
global race. But Fauci is, as we would say, in the biz
problematic. He recently with his wife appeared in an InStyle
magazine profile at his house, because he's Mr. Celebrity,
remember his wife, Grady, that she's in charge of the ethical
issues for approving vaccines within the NIH? No. So the fact
that their marriage shouldn't make any difference, I'm sure
they're very professional about all of this and don't have any
pillow talk. No conflict of interest there. But Fauci got
slammed, got butt slammed because they weren't wearing
masks. They should have been wearing masks in the pictorial.
He screwed it up. And the whole point of the article was some
transition of power, I think, because in it, the question is,
do you think the President is going to fire you? And Fauci his
answer is T can't question again. He can't fire you
answered, No, the president cannot fire me. So let's move in
his boss and let's put them in with broth. And let's see what
we can get out of it after we are done. Ansari trials in San
Antonio
Unknown: first step for the very first Coronavirus vaccine tested
in the United States is showing promising results. Maderna
released the results of the first phase of human trials and
quickly advancing to the second phase, a third phase set to
begin late this month, right here in San Antonio,
the first phase of the moderna trial produced good news with
two doses of the vaccine showing a quick immune response. But a
big question remains about the immunity of the vaccine they are
trying to develop.
Question related that is going to be long term immunity, and
how long does it need that's been came with the vaccine is
going to last and protect patients
89% of the participants were white, with the remaining being
minorities, getting minorities to participate in the next step
is extremely important.
Adam Curry: And by the way, when you're going to talk to
minorities about vaccine trials, you have to make a few things
very clear. These are the folks who
Unknown: have been hardest hit with with this disease right
now. So we want them to be able to participate to help us to
give us more information about how they how the virus infects
them. And
for the third phase, it is important to note volunteers
would not be injected with COVID, and would not increase
their chance of getting the virus.
Adam Curry: Oh, thanks, I feel much better. Now an important
thing for people to realize
Unknown: is you're not going to get the virus from the vaccine.
And those symptoms that you may experience are just evidence
that the vaccine is doing what we want it to do in your
mind. If you would like more information about the trial or
to sign up for the trial itself. We have the contact information
for clinical trials of Texas with this story on Ken's
five.com.
Adam Curry: And by the way, what you saw there was not a doctor
from Maderna. It was a representative from the agency
that does the tests, making it kind of look like hey, I'm here
from a Dern everything's awesome. This is a this is a an
ad to get people to sign up for this thing. And we need some we
need some African Americans over here. Don't worry, there's no
vaccine in this. I mean, no, no, no virus in this vaccine. So
John C. Dvorak: so so that apparently they actually think
that if you tell someone, hey, we're giving you an injection,
but there's we're not shooting up with COVID. That that's going
to be okay. If somebody tells me that I'm not taking that, what
do you what do you mean, what are you telling me this?
Adam Curry: Why did you have to disclaim that as an additional
literal major there? What's
John C. Dvorak: what do you what are you getting it? What are
you? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Anyway, again, I think they still need to target
the young people to get a free pass to roam around wherever you
want. Now, with Fauci in my regard on the way out, we have
to bring in his boss, we have to bring in Francis Collins, and
he's on with both. And of course, the whole issue of
transition comes up in this backhanded way about Fauci being
fired.
Unknown: I know you were asked the other day about this. And
let me let me press you on this. Dr. Collins, you and I have
known each other for quite a while, you said that you would
refuse an order to dismiss Dr. Fauci works for you. And you
laugh, saying, and I think I'm quoting you now, I think you
heard my answer to be clear. Are you saying you would not carry
out an order to fire Dr. Fauci?
I could not imagine doing something of that sort. No,
you if you were to fire him, what would you do? Would you
rather resign than carry out an order from the President of the
United States? Your
you know, well, I really hope that this kind of circumstance
never comes to pass. And I'm not sure it's a helpful conversation
to have. But I certainly would defend the contributions and the
remarkable character of Tony Fauci, I would find it very
difficult to be in a circumstance where I was asked
to do something like what you're describing,
I want to move on. But has anyone inside the White House
ever reached out to you about Dr. Fauci getting your thoughts
on whether or not he should stay on the taskforce or be fired?
Nobody ever has. And I hope you notice that the White House
basically distanced themselves from Peter antivirus op ed that
clearly was not supported by others in the White House senior
staff. And he not only, of course, is in this role on the
task force and being a spokesperson about what's
happening with COVID-19. He also is the scientist who leads our
heart of NIH, with all that's happening now with investigating
and developing therapeutics and vaccines and new diagnostic
tests, something that I'm also deeply engaged in at the moment.
So he's a national treasure,
national treasure we could both agree
Adam Curry: Of course he's a national treasure. We can't We
can't.
John C. Dvorak: This is interesting because of the clips
I have are kind of reflect this. And by the way, I don't think
college is going to cut it. I pushing back on your thing. All
right. All right. Keep Fauci in play. Okay, but somebody wants
to get rid of flip Fauci but it's not the White House. No,
and it's either the media or it's or they're just hounding
the hell out of Fauci what you just saw there was repeating
this word. What do you think about this? What do you think
about that? I got a series Judy does the same thing. Fauci on
for half an hour,
Adam Curry: okay? And I'll wait my assertion again, I like this.
Someone wants, someone wants Fauci out, but it's not the
White House. I like this. That's what I'm
John C. Dvorak: beginning to think because the which keeps
showing up. It's not the White House that is making the fuss
and it's definitely not Trump. Right. But somebody wants him to
fire Fauci for some reason, so they can use it all. He fired
Fauci, I've maybe that's it. Maybe it's just that simple.
Yeah, just to have that bit of it could be could be. But let's
say I took he was on the NewsHour for a half hour yak,
yak yak, and he's, you can see that they they're not going to
put college and college doesn't have that. Some bow Fauci. He's
just he's Fauci. You know, he's got this crackly voice. He's,
he's cool as a cucumber. He's really good, actually. But let's
listen. I have a whole bunch of clips from him. I'm good. But
let's just listen to this the attack mode. We're we're Judy's
trying to pull the same crap that you just heard. Wolf do.
Now. This is the Fauci Judy attack one,
Unknown: the White House, you had your first conversation with
President Trump. We are told this week, in perhaps a month or
longer. You had a meeting with the White House Chief of Staff
Mark Meadows, but just yesterday, he called you
irresponsible. For a statement you made comparing, saying that
this pandemic could be worse than the 1918 pandemic, you also
have been attacked, as you know, by Peter Navarro, the White
House advisor, are you convinced that the White House is not
trying to discredit you? Dr. Fauci?
John C. Dvorak: You know, I think you got to be careful when
you say the White House there. The White House in general is
not trying to certainly the President is not. I certainly
believe that Mark Meadows is not what happened with Peter
Navarro. And that editorial, I can't even comment on that. That
just is beyond my comprehension. Why he did that. But I do not
believe that the White House is trying to discredit me. No, I
don't. Okay, so he says he, I think that's it. He answered the
question. He said, No, I don't think so. But wait a minute.
That's not good enough for Judy. Let's read let me think what can
Judy do? Well, let's try take it to the second shot. Let's go.
Unknown: Do you think there are individuals in the White House
who are? Well, I already mentioned one, and Mark Meadows
saying you're responsible for that?
John C. Dvorak: Well, I what happened there is that that was
something that was said in another interview where I went,
where there could have been a misunderstanding that I was
equating them. So when the thing we wanted to do was to correct
that, which I did. In an interview that I had just like
yesterday, I believe. I don't think he was calling me
irresponsible as a person. I think he was referring to his
concern that there was going to be some misunderstanding. I
don't have a problem with that. Mark and I are on very good
terms.
Adam Curry: It's the I like the the terminology irresponsible.
irresponsible. What, how about this for size? So Trump wants
him around? Because what's coming is Fauci his connection
to the Wuhan lab and the financing. So there may be
people who want Fauci out for that very reason to stay in
having stayed in for that very reason and call him things such
as irresponsible, which is a little better than a horrible
douchebag lie. Just he's irresponsible. Why? Well, yeah,
we saw what he did with the with Wuhan, and with the lab and that
was irresponsible. That's a
John C. Dvorak: career killer. Interesting idea, but that there
is something going on to somebody trying to get rid of
Fauci and it doesn't seem to be the White House. But let's but
but that's not good enough for Judy. Oh, no. She heard it twice
it He's indeed No, no, no, no, that's not happening now. And I
understand what he said when he called me a responsible boom,
fine. No, no. Let's go with number three is shorty here.
She's going to try to get a quick one in.
Unknown: Let me ask it this way. Dr. Fauci. Do you think you have
the full backing and support of the White House from the
President on down?
John C. Dvorak: I do. I do. I believe I do. I spoke to the
President about that. I believe I do. Oh, okay. That was that
was
Unknown: pretty final pretty definitive. He's
John C. Dvorak: what the with the classic Oh, geez. Let Well
let me ask the same question this way. Now, Kaylee Mac
McEnaney would have blasted her yeah, for asking the same
question the third time. But no, that's not good enough still.
Judy decides to take him on a fourth time.
Unknown: And and why do you think they've been trying to
limit your public appearances?
John C. Dvorak: Well, I think it's a question of different
messages getting out in the real emphasis right now, you know, is
on more of trying to get the country opened again and
economic messages. I don't think there's going to be that man.
Yes. varies. There are some times when I'm on a lot, and
sometimes when I'm not, here I am with you. You know, I always
like to be on with you. I'm glad they said yesterday, and
Unknown: we appreciate it. We appreciate
Adam Curry: Ah, wait, there was approval. There was approval for
this one. You notice that? Yeah. Hi. They said I could do now who
was they? Are we just to assume the White House?
John C. Dvorak: Well, there's a couple of things that in that
little subtext that come to mind one, he's doing a lot of
interviews. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And if he had got, he's
getting approval to do all of them. I would, yeah, I would
expect the expected Deji just what he said, because he got
approval to do the end. He did the news hour. So he's getting
approved for all these things. So doing all these all the lots
and lots and lots of interviews. He's getting approval for so
who's bitching about him doing too many interviews?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, the media. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: it's the media.
Adam Curry: You had me stumped for a second but I'm glad I came
through.
John C. Dvorak: It was a scam. Yeah, well,
Adam Curry: I I'm My money's on, on him being a problem for the
for the outcome of a lot of investigation because you know,
the investigation the investigation is going on right
now. That Trump is pretty confident the way he speaks
about it and speaks about Wuhan speaks about the lab and
John C. Dvorak: when I think Fauci is in on the on the couch
is going to touch he's no slouch. He's obviously, you
know, been in the game for a long time. He's made a lot of
money. He's got a wife this well positioned. He probably will
come out of this fine. He may be that the witness for the for the
defense of that witness for the prosecution, witness for the
prosecution witness for the White House? We don't know. But
he doesn't seem like he's worried at all about any of this
bull crap that the media keeps throwing at him in this constant
questions about, do they hate the White House? Well, I'm
seeing I saw it with the wolf thing. I think the wolf thing
was perfectly did the same thing, Judy. I'm trying to say
something. Yeah.
Adam Curry: And it was obviously the same in InStyle. Magazine,
not necessarily the bastion of journalism. So they got the
message too, huh. That is interesting. Okay, you can do an
interview with him, as long as you ask him about getting fired
twice. And if you suggest three times, then you're on our good
list. And we'll give you more access. Later on. I can just see
Judy falling for that crap.
John C. Dvorak: Ah, she's often she's lost. She's lost that long
ago. Now, there's a couple of things that were actually decent
in them interview. I have three other clips of the Fauci
interview. If you want to hear yes, of course, one of them. Of
course, he did his thing. With a sidebar out of the blue, I
managed to get a plug in here. This is the Fauci sidebar with
another respiratory virus, where you've got to be able to
determine the difference of those two. And that's the reason
why I think what we should be doing is making sure that as we
get into the fall, we get as many people vaccinated as we
possibly can against influenza to try to get that off the
table.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so we can show that whatever else we put into
your veins works ever. I'm just, I'm just a conspiratorial
thinker. That's all you are. I have no problem with it.
John C. Dvorak: He does, how he does bring up the anti vaxxers
Which, by the way, and I've said it on this show, and I know
you've totally agree with me, but you don't disagree. Is that
when they came out with that swine flu vaccine in 2009 they
have in a car, Zephyr, by the way for you. Okay, so
Adam Curry: we're stable economy stable, everybody.
John C. Dvorak: When they came out with that vaccine, I took
photos I blogged about there were lines around the block. It
looks like a Star Wars movie.
Adam Curry: And why would I not agree with that? I thought we
had consensus. No, I
John C. Dvorak: mean, but it just that the point is, is that
these anti vaxxers The people that don't want to get
vaccinated, it's a very small number
Adam Curry: a pretty small group. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: I think so. But he thinks is a bigger number
than it is. However,
Adam Curry: excuse me. Anti vaxxers I think is limited. The
number of people who will stand in line for the vaccine on day
one. I'm getting mixed results. Oh, hang back and wait a few
days. As a way to of course, there'll be plenty of people who
will line up no doubt about it. But I think there is a little
bit of apprehension, but one or two weeks or maybe a month into
it, everyone will be on board, I'm sure.
John C. Dvorak: I don't think there's any apprehension
whatsoever. You notice this in your note, somebody sends you a
letter, your one year old buddy says I just wait for the
vaccine.
Adam Curry: Yeah, sure.
John C. Dvorak: I think that's the gent that's the way I think
Horowitz will be in line. Oh, yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, no, I will wager that he'll want to wait
for one but he's a smart guy. He like he understands risk. So he
likes to hedge risk. And he'll wait one or two, maybe one or
two days.
John C. Dvorak: Hedging anything.
Adam Curry: He's a friend, you know, so I don't want to slam
them too bad. But yeah,
John C. Dvorak: I'm not slamming him. I'm just saying he'll be in
line for the vaccine. He thinks we're nuts. Why aren't you in
line for the vaccine? It'd be the way it is, you know, what,
what do you what? So here's the Fauci on the anti vaxxers.
Unknown: Do you have a worry, though, Dr. Fauci that the anti
vaccine movement could interfere with this timetable?
John C. Dvorak: Yes, I do. Because I mean, we have to admit
and realize that there is an anti Vax movement that we've had
to struggle with in this country. And I believe the
solution to that would be community engagement, and
community outreach, to get people that are trusted by the
community to go out there and explain to them the importance
of not only getting engaged in the vaccine trial, but the
importance of when the vaccine is shown to be safe and
effective to actually take the vaccine, because it could be
life saving, and it certainly would be the solution to this
terrible pandemic.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, he got his he got his his little thing
in there.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, he'll get that. They'll have the
everybody coming out of the woodwork saying how great it is,
via the whole campaign to get you to get take your shots.
Adam Curry: Well, the the skepticism in general was
growing worldwide. Certainly with just trusting the numbers.
In the UK now the health secretary has ordered an urgent
review. The numbers have been just too high. The death count
has been you know, there's over counting, there's a lot of
different I mean, everywhere people are starting to question
as masks become mandatory across the globe is not whenever I
should probably have clipped it. But the the number of times I've
heard on MSNBC people say no one else in the world is arguing
about masks. Well, yeah, they will they may not be arguing was
loudly because we have free speech, freedom of speech in
America. Most other countries, people are afraid to stand up
and say, Hey, I don't agree with something. But it's everywhere.
Every country is now recounting every country is enforcing
masks. So it's kind of this two prong you know, I want to remind
you, it's really bad. It's really bad because you see masks
everywhere. But the numbers are also kind of wrong. Man, I don't
I will say from my end, I it's it's over. It's peaked, it's
going down and most people don't seem to die. Most people don't
even get really sick. And that people who do Sorry. So if you
don't understand numbers of 1000 people a day dying of something.
I can't help that. You got to see something in perspective
John C. Dvorak: until it happens to me. Respective. Oh, zemli
you? I'm sorry. It could d3. everything's good to go.
Adam Curry: That's what I think. I take 1010 Micro Juliet's per
day,
John C. Dvorak: whatever, the giblets. Yeah, they're really
good. I love him. Now, there's only one last time you want to
play it now in play, maybe come into play some later but Fauci
does bring up the back to school thing, and he's not he doesn't
come up with what you think
Unknown: so much to ask you. Dr. Fauci had it. But one of the
most important things on people's minds, of course, is
going back to school. And I do want to ask you that K through
12. As you know, the Secretary of Education this week, said all
children should be back in school this fall. There's even a
potential risk of losing federal funds. Then just this afternoon,
the governor of California said, Most California schools are not
going to be back in person, what are individuals? What are
parents to make of this?
John C. Dvorak: You know, obviously, this is a
disconcerting problem, because we care so much about our
children and their education. The way I look at it, Julie
quickly, I have looking at 40,000 feet. A default position
to default position is that you should try to the best of your
ability, with all considerations to the safety and welfare of the
children and the teachers. We should try to get the children
back to school as best as we possibly can. And with that as
the framework, you've got to look throughout the country,
that the level of infection is different from region to region,
state to state, county to county. So they're going to be
some counties where there's no problem, take the kids back to
school, they're not in danger. In those areas where it's iffy,
where you see that there's a degree of infection, then what
some schools will do short of just shutting down, and some
authorities may decide to do that is to do something with a
little bit of creativity, maybe alternating classes, spacing of
the desks for children who can do it wearing masks.
Adam Curry: You know, any scientist that uses a descriptor
such as Fe, I'm not really buying your science.
John C. Dvorak: Well, he's not against it, though. It's just as
a key. The key because the left wing talk radio and the left
wing, not the media as much, but just do hear this. There is this
idea that if we don't go back to school in the fall, Trump loses.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I can see where they think that but I
think that is absolutely wrong.
John C. Dvorak: I'm not I'm gonna be on your side. And I
think so too. I think the left is nuts. I don't see it, but
they can. They're convinced that if you keep the kids at home,
it's going to create so much anger that you're going to vote
out Trump because it's gonna be they're somehow going to blame
Trump for this.
Adam Curry: Well, at least we know what to look for. Because
of course, everything blinks wrong. Everything's blamed on
Trump World War Two Trump. Come on, everybody knows this. And I
must say, as an as a side note on Orange Man bad. For some
reason. Tina's female friends feel very comfortable speaking
their mind in front of me when I'm in the conversation, and
they know and they think you're a doofus, and well they've
listened to my show and I'm sure they know my opinions or, or how
I think about
John C. Dvorak: thing. What is this my show? What what is your
show? Here's another show. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's the with Adam curry show. Do you know what I
mean? Jesus. Did you hear the Tom Woods interview? Did you
hear how I hyped you up?
John C. Dvorak: No, I've been waiting to hear
Adam Curry: it. Well, you should. You should listen to
that. I
John C. Dvorak: finally get a job. Yes,
Adam Curry: you're getting you're getting a bit part a
cameo. You're up man.
John C. Dvorak: I did I totally. Couple of movie producers that
listen to this show.
Unknown: Good luck.
Adam Curry: Okay, we all know this is the Jhansi Dvorak Shall
we all know. My point was, they've heard me they know my
opinions. Yet they have no problem telling me exactly how
they feel when it comes to black lives matter, or Coronavirus.
But the fear of Trump where it's coming back, the cycle has
returned. I have heard the following. If Trump gets
reelected, I will load a gun and shoot myself in the head.
John C. Dvorak: If wow, if Trump
Adam Curry: if Trump gets reelected, I am moving out of
the country. This is
John C. Dvorak: Oh sure. Yeah, we're waiting for that mister
still waiting. This is the fresh rice and I'm thinking to you,
Adam Curry: but I was surprised to hear from one of her Jewish
friends. Not the one, you know, a different one. As she is she's
also a teacher in the Austin area. She says, Well, if Trump
I'm freaking out, I have to get my passport in order, which is a
problem because there's a huge backlog. But if Trump gets
reelected, I have to get out because I think the anti
semitism and the white supremacist will will be
unleashed and his end is going to happen all over again. He was
on the ledge with this. Like really, really freaking out.
Well, what are you basing somebody's
John C. Dvorak: putting her there somebody is putting her on
the ledge. Someone is pushing her towards like, Who is that
someone? Is it the media in general? Is that a New York
Times? I think it's the New York Times
Adam Curry: maybe the times, but I noticed my next door neighbor,
the
John C. Dvorak: ones that you know, they're they're just
shaking in their boots. They stayed locked up because they're
supposed to, you know, the doctors too, and they know
better. And I saw her out on the porch. She'll come out on the
porch. And she's and I see what she's doing. She's reading the
New York Times. She's one of those, you know, people in
California, they have an obligation to subscribe to The
New York Times as blue rapper you see him when different
streets used to have him all over the place and on his block,
but most of the Chinese have moved in and the New York Times
has moved out.
Adam Curry: Right, right. Well, what was interesting about about
her case, is because we have discussed the very fine people
on both sides comment before and I told her Would you please go
read the actual transcript and she brought this up. I do what
you said I read the transcript. And you're so right. But I keep
hearing him say very fine people in different places. And that's
a trope. And then she brought up from 2015, the Hillary Clinton
campaign to the anti campaign meme with the with a star, a red
star and cash behind her. And at the time that was up, it's a
Jewish star and anti semitic and tropes and money and, and so she
brought that up, like, Okay, but what do you think it means? I
mean, is Hillary Clinton Jewish? Or what is it, she doesn't
matter? It's all tropes. And it's scary. And she was really
afraid. So, so there are there is a significant amount of
people just from my own personal sample, who have said to me, and
I think people who have probably voted for Trump. If he doesn't,
when will this all go away? Because then I'm okay with it.
John C. Dvorak: And that, that, of course, people don't
understand what that means. You have to explain, will all this
Adam Curry: go away, meaning, panic, black lives. All this go
away if Trump loses, and I think that that's kind of what's being
pushed on people. You will all turn out
John C. Dvorak: maybe some of you there's an element of that,
too. That's another good it's a good theory. Yeah. Well, all the
media is promoting that idea.
Adam Curry: Yes, yes, definitely. And of course, the
media throws in a little bit of Russian. Russian hackers are
stealing the vaccine for
John C. Dvorak: the problem is, yeah, the Russians not I noticed
this, the Russian hackers stealing vaccine then never talk
about Chinese hackers.
Adam Curry: Ah, I'm glad you bring this up. I have a short
little Supercuts here. about Trump's war on pretty much
everything
Unknown: Donald Trump's war on elements of his own government
Trump's war on
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Trump's war on the whistleblower Trump's war on the Freedom
Caucus President Trump's war on the NFL Trump's war
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and President Trump's war on the press. President Trump's
unprecedented first year war in the media
Trump's war on the media or on the media war on the press war
on the media. Trump's war on the media coming up in our next
hour. Trump's war on the media continues Donald
Trump's war on justice Trump's war on justice Donald Trump's
war on justice Donald Trump's
war on justice Trump's
Adam Curry: war on the justice system all right. Who did that
one that's super cuts, super cuts. You know, the YouTube guys
super cuts. Yeah, that dynamite now what did we not hear in
that? There was no war on China. And that's remarkable. You don't
hear much about it. Because, you know, obviously, Fauci is
getting fired. Trump's horrible more people die, we're all gonna
die. 85 children are dead. We're all dying here. And it's crazy
and horrible and black lives matter. But nothing about China,
I believe and the what you caught earlier, this
synchronized attacking of Fauci in multiple media properties on
the same topic with with the questions being reiterated, is
clearly coordinated. Well, there's another coordination
going on is a full on offensive against China. And it is being
rolled out across well, across all kinds of platforms with
again, you'll hear some of the same terminology some of the
same. Yeah, it's the same angle. So I don't know if if there's
someone new in the White House working on maybe Kayleigh
McEnany for all I know she might be the one that coordinates this
stuff. I don't know. But Bill Barr, by the
John C. Dvorak: way, there's a war on her gone. Oh, yeah. But
it's not Trump's war. No, Bill Barr, the
Adam Curry: Attorney General of the United States did a speech
at the Gerald R. Ford Foundation, library foundation
or something. Maybe it's just the foundation. I guess. Bill
Barr didn't he joined the CIA during during that time. Ford
Nixon era kind of maybe he was around. So he's got buddies
there. That's why he did this. But this was a this is a
political speech. But it's more of the kind of work that we are
diplomats. This the language of diplomats is being spoken here.
Of course zero coverage. I don't think anyone really played any
clips anywhere of this speech. But it was quite good. And there
was a lot of clear messages in there that I think we should be
aware of as it pertains to China. So here he is first
introducing his the general issues that the administration
has with China. I'm
Unknown: privileged to speak here today about what may prove
to be the most important issue for our nation and the world in
the 21st century, and that is the United States response in
the global ambitions to the global ambitions of the Chinese
Communist Party, the CCP rules with an iron fist over one of
the great ancient civilizations of the world, it seeks to
leverage the immense power, productivity and ingenuity of
the Chinese people to overthrow the rule based international
system. And to make the world safe for dictatorship. How the
United States responds to this challenge will have historic
implications, and will determine whether the United States and
its liberal democratic allies will continue to shape their own
destiny, or whether the CCP and it's autocratic tributaries,
will continue to will control the future.
Adam Curry: So when he says they're breaking the rules based
international system that is synonymous with the liberal
international economic order, which I think we've talked about
that,
John C. Dvorak: which is kind of, well, we had actually even
had the the Joint Chief of Staff sky and Miley. Oh, right. Right.
Right beach, we had a speech about how it's set up and how
they deal with it and how they run it. And very blunt about it.
And we also had Ray recently say that this there is going to be a
series of these speeches by different high end guys,
including Pompeo, I guess, will be next. Well, UnionPay has
already done a number of speeches of anti Chinese
speeches, this stuff has not been covered by anybody.
Adam Curry: And you're nailing it because that is the next
clip, as Barr clearly shows this as a whole of government
initiative. Several weeks
Unknown: ago, the National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien
spoke about the CCPs ideology and global ambitions. He
declared and I agree that the days of American passivity and
not naive naivete regarding knife to a public of China,
Adam Curry: why would he use the word naivete? An interesting
choice.
John C. Dvorak: What would what's the better word?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I mean, the corrupt? Flying, of
course, is that corrupt is what he's implying. Well, I
John C. Dvorak: mean, what he's implying is the naivete is that
we're just sitting around and the thumbs up our asses thinking
everything's gonna be fine if we just do what China says.
Adam Curry: Yes, that's why it's diplomatic language I would have
preferred was sitting around with a thumbs up or SS or
whistling Dixie
Unknown: that the days of American passivity and not naive
naivete regarding the People's Republic of China are over. And
last week, the FBI director Chris rea described how the CCP
pursues its ambitions through the nefarious and even illegal
conduct, including industrial espionage, theft, extortion,
cyber attacks and malign influence activities. In the
coming days. You will hear from Secretary Mike Pompeo, who will
sum up what is at stake for the United States and the free
world. Now, Chris rea told me that shortly after his speech
last week, one of the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party
pronounced that his speech was particularly disgusting. I told
him that I was going to end today to be despicable. But I'll
settle for a specially disgusting.
Adam Curry: I think the message is pretty clear when you're
saying that as the attorney general. And I depend I am
intending on being very disgusting towards China today.
This is this is bigger than than the coverage is received, in my
opinion, oh, this
John C. Dvorak: is the lack of coverage of this by the media is
shameful. But it just tells you that the media is all in. It's
all in for China, they've been taken over and if they're not
trustworthy, if you want to believe everything you want to
read the New York Times you might as it was reading, Chinese
propaganda, saris that is
Adam Curry: well Barr is going to take it to one more level
here and he's going to imply a little bit more about the bring
it up a notch. He's going to crank it up a notch. Yes. And
he's going to it's some kind of so he says two things. And he
was also sent this whole of government approach I think he's
mirroring and he would like the United States to do the same as
China. While you'll hear General
Unknown: Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, shaping
Pang who has centralized power to a degree not seen since the
dictatorship of Mao Zedong, now speaks openly of China moving
closer to the center stage, building a socialism that is
superior to capitalism and replacing the American dream
with the Chinese solution. China is no longer hiding its
strength, nor biding its time, from the perspective of its
communist rulers. China's time has arrived, the People's
Republic of China is now engaged in an economic
Adam Curry: blitzkrieg. When you say the Chinese are involved in
it, no matter what blitzkrieg it is, you're basically calling
them Nazis. I mean, there's a lot of different terms you could
have used but saying a blitzkrieg, which was although
ultimately fatal for the Germans, it was quite
destructive. So here's Barr saying, You guys are Nazis has
arrived,
Unknown: the People's Republic of China is now engaged in an
economic blitzkrieg an aggressive, orchestrated whole
of government, indeed, whole of society campaign, to seize the
commanding heights of the global economy, and to surpass the
United States as the world's preeminent technological
superpower.
Adam Curry: So it's these it's the whole of society. And I,
it's my belief that Barr wants the united states also have a
whole of society response to what China is doing. As that
will come up later. I think this is one of these coordinated
terms. But next, just to make it even more fun, he goes after
what he will call the collaborators, which I'm pretty
sure it's also a call back to the collaborators with the Nazis
in World War Two. Oh, for sure. Let's hear who they are.
Unknown: Well, too often, for the sake of short term profits.
American companies have succumb to that influence, even at the
expense of freedom and openness in the United States. Sadly,
examples of American business bowing to China are legion. Take
Hollywood, oh, Hollywood actors, producers and directors prides
themselves on celebrating freedom and the human spirit.
And every year at the Academy Awards, Americans are lectured
about how this country falls short of Hollywood's ideals of
social justice. But Hollywood now regularly censors its own
movies to appease the Chinese Communist Party, the world's
most powerful violator of human rights. This censorship infects
not only the versions of movies that are released in China, but
also many others shown in the United States theaters to
American audience. Whoa, you got
slammed?
Adam Curry: You wonder why the media is not interested in
covering this. But wait, But wait, there's more
collaborators,
Unknown: Hollywood is far from alone and cow toweling to the
PRC. big tech companies have also allowed themselves to
become pawns Apple Chinese influence in the year 2000, when
the United States normalized trade relations with China.
President Clinton hailed the new century as one in which liberty
will be spread by cell phone and cable modem. Instead, over the
course of the next decade, American companies such as
Cisco, how Chinese communist build the Great Firewall, the
world's most sophisticated system for Internet surveillance
and censorship. Over the years, corporations such as such as
Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Apple, have shown themselves all
too willing to collaborate with the CCP. For example, Apple
recently removed the news app courts from its app store in
China, after the Chinese government complained about the
coverage of Hong Kong democracy protests. Apple also removed the
apps for virtual private networks, which had allowed
users to circumvent the Great Firewall and eliminated pro
democracy songs from the Chinese music store. Meanwhile, the
company announced that it would be transferring some of its
iCloud data to servers in China despite concerns that the move
would give the Communist Party easier access to emails, text
messages, and other user information stored in the
iCloud.
Adam Curry: And it didn't stop there and went on to talk about
what Apple would and would not do to help law enforcement not
that I agree with Bill Barr's idea of we should be able to
have a warrant and break encryption But he's very clear
on the collaborators, the collaborators, the NSB years.
bad actors in our country, I
John C. Dvorak: can see why the media is not covering this
because well, they're collaborators too. Well, here it
Adam Curry: comes this I think this next short piece is the
warning shot to people at tech companies, people in Hollywood
and certainly people in the media,
Unknown: America's corporate leaders might not think of
themselves as lobbyists. You might think, for example, that
cultivating a mutually beneficial relationship is just
part of guanxi as the system of influence influential social
networking, necessary to do business in the PRC, but you
should be alert to how you might be used, and how your efforts on
behalf of a foreign company or government could implicate the
foreign Agents Registration Act. Fara does not prohibit any
speech or conduct, but it does require those who were acting as
agents of foreign principles to publicly disclose that
relationship and their political or other similar activities by
registering with the Justice Department, allowing the
audience to take into account the origin of the speech when
evaluating credibility.
Adam Curry: I think that's a big Fu. Because the foreign agent
Registration Act is is that what got Manafort on Rikers Island?
It's like, okay, you didn't register properly, but you are
lobbying and that can go for so many companies, so many media
people. Oh, yeah. And they know they should be registered, they
know they should be registered. And they're taking money because
that's the thing if you take money, and then you say anything
about you know, promoting, in this case, China, if you're not
registered, it's not illegal to do that. But if you're not
registered, then you can get in trouble. See Paul Manafort. And
then the final collaborator is easy to guess it's academia.
Unknown: The Chinese Communist Party also seeks to infiltrate,
censor or CO opt American academic and research
institutions. For example, dozens of American Universities
host Chinese government funded Confucian institutes,
Adam Curry: which it says confusion. I'm pretty sure it's
Confucius, but the term confusion is correct if he's if
it's describing them, but I just uh, I thought it was weird that
he didn't say Confucius Institutes as that institute
know why he did that
Unknown: he's government funded Confucian Institute's which have
been accused of pressuring host universities to silence
discussion, or cancel events on topics considered controversial
by Beijing. Universities must stand up for each other, refuse
to let the CCP dictate research efforts are suppress diverse
voices, support colleagues and students who wish to speak their
minds. And consider whether any sacrifice of academic integrity
or freedom is worth the price of appeasing the CCPs demands. In a
globalized world. American corporations and universities
alike may view themselves as global citizens rather than as
American institutions. But they should remember that what
allowed them to succeed in the first place was the American
free enterprise system, the rule of law and the security afforded
by America's economic, technological and military
strength.
Adam Curry: So with the Confucius Institutes, the whole
of government and hopeful whole of society approach of the Trump
administration because we have FBI director, Ray, we've got
Secretary of State Pompeo, I saw the Pompeo, Pompeo speech,
nothing new. I mean, it's just really not as interesting. I
didn't think because Barr, but our friends there who are
financed by what's this American thought leaders, it's the who
are the Epoch Times. They're the anti CCP along go Falun Gong
guys. Exactly. So they're in on this because you'll hear very
similar type of messaging here from Rochelle Peterson, and she
is from the National Association of scholars, which could be a
total front for something I didn't dive too deep in it, but
I did think her her a couple of clips here about Confucius
Institutes and how they work and where they are is interesting.
So first, we'll explain what the Confucius Institute is.
Unknown: Confucius Institutes are Chinese government funded
centers that are on American college campuses, as well as
other college campuses around the world. These are basically
little no So the Chinese government on campus, teaching
Chinese Communist Party approved propaganda packaged in
curriculum, using teachers that are vetted and selected by the
Chinese government and paid by the Chinese government and using
materials that are being sent over by the Chinese government.
So they are little nodes of influence from the Chinese
Communist Party. And they are basically infecting American
higher education and putting a quash on academic freedom and
challenging the integrity of our schools.
Adam Curry: And these are everywhere
John C. Dvorak: I checked. Well, they're, yeah, they're kind of
everywhere, but they're not. They're not as everywhere as
they were a few years ago. They're, they're shutting them
down, left and right. A lot.
Unknown: At the height there were 110 Confucius Institutes
just in the United States, there were more than 1000 across the
world, and 500 Confucius classrooms at the K 12 level,
mostly at high schools, but also at elementary schools, which is
really alarming when you think of Chinese Communist Party,
selected teachers going into elementary schools and teaching
our school aged children. So more than 100 Confucius
Institutes, that number is going down now that Confucius
Institutes have come to the forefront they're facing a
backlash, we've really woken up as a society to the risks that
China is posing that Confucius Institutes in particular pose.
Right now there are 75 Confucius Institutes in operation in the
United States. And all told since they launched in 2005, at
the University of Maryland, 45 Confucius Institutes have closed
in the US, which is really a victory that I'm very happy to
celebrate.
Adam Curry: So both my stepdaughters went to
universities that had Confucius Institutes University of Texas
and University of Arkansas, the University of Texas, they cut
their ties. So that's one of the one of the 45 that have been
shut down. Arkansas seems to be alive and well. So what are they
doing? Watch for the keywords,
Unknown: we've seen the United States, as a country and a lot
of the rest of the world also just wake up to the realization
that China has been using a whole of government approach,
sometimes even a whole of society approach towards
infiltrating the west towards trying to penetrate our
institutions and work within them from inside to turn them in
favor of China to turn them against our own values. And that
is exactly what's been happening with our colleges and
universities, with Confucius Institutes but also with the
Chinese students and scholars association with the 1000
talents plan with a number of prongs and approaches that the
Chinese government has taken towards our colleges and
universities.
Adam Curry: The most interesting part of this, I feel is it's
probably analogous to how it's worked in, in research and other
places, is how the money flows through these universities. And
I think that's worth listening to this for
Unknown: while the money flows from China to the university,
that Han Bong will cover the operating costs. Usually, it's
$150,000 in grants per year, just for operating costs, the
teachers are paid directly by the Han bomb, then that money
doesn't even have to flow through the university. They're
getting their salaries straight from the Chinese government. And
the Han bot is sending over free textbooks and other supplies
that the Confucius Institute might need. The Han mom likes to
advertise that universities put in 50% of the costs of the
Confucius Institute. But if you look at that really closely and
break down where they're getting that, really what that means is
the university is donating some office space and the use of some
classrooms and is having a professor or administrator add
on few duties as the co director of the Confucius Institute. And
that's what makes this so attractive to colleges and
universities. They're essentially getting Chinese
classes provided at no cost to them. They have the opportunity
to offer credit to students who sign up for these classes charge
students tuition for a class whose costs are being paid by
the Chinese government. It's a big money making initiative.
Once the university has a Confucius Institute. It
establishes a close relationship with the Chinese government by
way of the Han Bong. Pretty soon you see the college president
going on speaking tours in China coming faded lavish dinners.
Pretty soon you see other professors making trips to
China, additional Chinese students enrolling at that
university. The the levers of money really start flowing once
a university gets the Confucius Institutes so it's not just the
money that the institute itself brings in. It's these host of
other benefits that come along once they establish that
relationship.
Adam Curry: I think we should have our own Confucian
Institute. It comes with trips to China, lavish dinners and
like I kind of like that
John C. Dvorak: We're drag up her alley,
Adam Curry: I'll provide a little bit of office space for
you. No problem. I got some here
John C. Dvorak: final some Chinese guy into the fifth
bedroom, their
Adam Curry: final clip, of course, they're crap. By the
way, when when they talk about an all a whole of society
approach, the way I see that is something that can't be done in
this case, remember when we were angry at the French, and we
renamed french fries, Freedom Fries. Yeah, that's a lot as far
as we go. That's the whole of society approach for America. I
don't think there's any chance we're going to have any kind of
kung fu kung fu food, instead of Chinese food or and it's just
not gonna happen. It's everything's
John C. Dvorak: nice. I mean, when you think about just the
just Trump chiding the media with calling it the Kung flu, I
think he did that two or three times he did and watching,
everybody gets bent out of shape defending the Chinese, and
China, the CCP and the rest of it. It's just, it's like the I
think it's one of these funny things where I think this is a
good point where you can start making the lists. Not like I
want to make lists, but I do make lists. Yeah, you can use
it, you can already put together a list of people that are pretty
much on the Chinese side of things when it comes down to it.
And you can, it's the way we used to identify spooks, who
used to during some during that era, when Dianne Feinstein was
being spied on even though she was the head of the Intelligence
Committee at that time. Yeah. And they were and and and to
became a big deal with these these different reporters.
Richard angle being one of them. Yeah. Taking the side of the
CIA, oh, we shouldn't be looking at these documents anyway. Or
people that are saying stuff like immediate media, people
saying, Oh, you don't want to look at when you read it. It's
illegal. Yeah, if you're if you're a spy, if you're a signed
up, yes, you're supposed to look at WikiLeaks.
Adam Curry: I think we should start to maintain some lists
actually.
John C. Dvorak: Well, that way you can when we when we do
clips, we can say, Oh, this guy's like either a dupe or a
sudo CCP,
Adam Curry: a dupe or a stooge, one of the two. All right. Now,
the CCP, of course, is slippery, slippery mandates over there. So
they they are going to go through something that all
terrorists do not calling them terrorists, but kind of make a
connection. They're rebranding, colleges
Unknown: and universities are closing down their Confucius
Institutes in large numbers. But I'm not totally convinced that
they have actually closed the institute's. I think there's a
lot of evidence that they are pretty much rebranding their
Institute's all the more so now that the Hon Bong, the Chinese
government agency that oversees Confucius Institutes is itself
going through a rebranding process. It's being renamed the
Ministry of Education Center for language exchange and
cooperation. And it's actually spinning off the Confucius
Institutes to a separate organization, a new organization
called the Chinese International Education Foundation, that is
supposed to be a nonprofit. And this is the harm bonds attempt
to stymie the criticism that these are being run by the
Chinese government, I suspect Confucius Institutes will
operate pretty much exactly the same as they have operated in
the past. But colleges and universities, I think are are
going to start rebranding their Confucius Institutes breaking up
those programs and scattering them among newly created
centers. I think this is something that we're going to
have to watch very closely. As Confucius Institutes continue to
generate criticism.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And I'm sure there'll be some x was a young
1000 talents program. And apparently there's only dozens
of investigations right now. They're investigating NASA,
they're investigating NIH, especially the NIH investigation
for corrupt researchers or research that has not been
disclosed or double dipping on the research. All this will come
up eventually.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's coming out.
Adam Curry: And what and I guess
John C. Dvorak: none of Biden gets in Well, no.
Adam Curry: Not not mentioned much in regard to China. But
there's a lot of Silicon Valley money now going to India, taking
away from China, I am just presuming or hedging, maybe as
as a just in case, China is also starting to attack India. And no
one's really talking about that, or at least not a lot in our
mainstream.
John C. Dvorak: So you can't get a lot of stuff to deconstruct.
Adam Curry: There's no clips. I mean, there's New York Times
article, how slanted will that be? Now, but they almost See
what happens there but it's pretty aggressive what's taking
that was taking place. pretty aggressive. And then the final
thing I have this actually came over it's just a funny clip.
This is the guy Andrew Martin who's in Mar in in the UK not
Andrew Marr. But anyways last name is Mars Mars is talk show,
and he has the ambassador to the UK the Chinese ambassador to the
UK Liao jamones jamming on the show, and he wants the
ambassador to explain the footage that everyone has now
probably seen the drone footage of what apparently is Uighur
prisoners who are blindfolded kneeled heads shaven, you know
being herded onto trains. Did you see this footage?
John C. Dvorak: I did not.
Adam Curry: It's pretty it's pretty graphic. And it I guess
it's been verified that I don't know who did it or where it's
coming from. But he brought in the Chinese ambassador to the
UK. It's alright, you got to take a look at this footage and
tell me what's going on here. Now here's the guy who knows
that One wrong word will have his head cut off.
John C. Dvorak: Let's look at some very disturbing drone
footage that's been widely shared around the world. This is
almost certainly over northern China over shinjang Can you tell
us what is happening here? I cannot see. You know this. This
is not the first time you show me I still remember last year
you'll show me what is happening in Xinjiang in China is
happening. Let me tell you this. Xinjiang Have you been to
Xinjiang yourself? No, I never have you know, shinjang is
regarded as the most beautiful place in Xinjiang as a Chinese.
You do not know how the Chinese ambassador though it is not.
That is not beautiful coverage, however, is it? You know?
Shinjang that is exactly what I'm going to tell you since the
1990s. Xinjiang has come of age and because of this 1000s of
terrorist attacks were broken now that was 10 years ago. Can I
ask you why people are kneeling blindfolded unshaven, this for
the hair trade obviously being led to trains in modern China
why what what is going on there? I do not know why you get this
videotape. You know, sometimes you have a chance to meet your
transfer over prisons and the prisoners, you know, in any
country. But just what is happening here, Ambassador, I do
not know why did you get this thing going around? been
authenticated by Western intelligence agencies and by
Australian experts who say these are Weijia people that attended
is the sea should learn how to say look so called Western
intelligence, keeping up make this a force acquisition. Again,
China is 1 million more vigor has been persecuted. You know
how big how many population Xinjiang has? It's just about 40
years ago, it's a four or 5 million. Now. It's 11 million
people and people say, you know, we impose we have ethnic
cleansing, but the population has doubled in the 40 years. I'm
so sorry to interrupt, but according to your own local
government statistics, the population growth in Uighur
jurisdictions in that area has fallen by 84% in 2015 and
2018 84% That's not the right speaker God's call me I give you
this If tager as a Chinese ambassador, this is a very oh oh
okay and past 40 years, Luca population increase the
population in Xinjiang increase to double the population doubled
so this is no so called the restriction of the population
there's no so called the false question and so on.
Why are you laughing? Shut up Shut up Wow, man, poor guy. Bam,
Bush they would do they do the BBC likes to do this their style
of journalism. We never do something like that was too
rude.
Adam Curry: No, we tried to ambush Fauci.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, we keep asking the same question. Over
screws out
Adam Curry: over and over and over again. Exactly. Oh, my
goodness. Okay. Now that's kind of what I have on China. There's
still asshole as far as I'm concerned. And we're at war we
are definitely looking at. So we just heard about all that
integration. They've snuck up on us, man, it's been at least 20
years, if not 30 years in the making. The we do need a whole
of society approach.
John C. Dvorak: Well, not unless people start paying attention
and it would aid without the media and that's all It's time
hounding Trump trying to get Joe Biden to be president and put
China back in charge. It's not going to happen. Yeah, we gotta
start actually do need the media for this. We're going to have to
Adam Curry: start marching journalists out or something.
Yeah, we have to shame them publicly when they've been in
cahoots. Well, but notice Barr didn't say the media was only
Hollywood tech in academia. Could the media be next? Could
they be on deck?
John C. Dvorak: Well, a lot of people have mon deck.
Adam Curry: We do. Yes. That's why we're the best podcast in
the universe. And with
John C. Dvorak: that, deciding the word podcast I'd like to
thank you for your courage to
Adam Curry: say the morning to you the man who put the C in the
Confucian Institute, John C. Dvorak
John C. Dvorak: Lynam Good morning to you Mr. Adam curry
also in the morning all boots on the ground feet in the air subs
in the water and all the dangerous nights out there.
Adam Curry: Yes, in the morning to our trolls in the troll room
trustee is always handing me one liners. I love it. Let us count
1825 But 100 lower than I'd like to see him but thank you for
being there trolls if you're wondering how you can become a
troll. Well, if you have to wonder Don't worry, don't worry,
you're you're you are one go to no agenda stream.com You can log
in there to the chat room and listen to the 24/7 stream which
has a lot of live shows. But also podcast but that everything
kind of runs in tandem so you can sit there troll along with
each other there's always someone in there and ask Doug
for an invite to no agenda social.com our federated
federated What do I call it social network? Which you're on?
You are actively posting there.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm gonna probably stop posting if I keep
getting harassed by by jerks that are in in that chat room.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I didn't know you got harassed who was a
jerk to you this woman
John C. Dvorak: already I blocked the two guys two guys. I
mentioned their names by name I said I blocked them both. What
did they do? Oh, it just be being argumentative. You know?
Like, oh, no, actually guys, Trump's a bass Dang. Did just to
kind of just aren't being argumentative about number of
Yeah, it's not going down to we're all gonna die of COVID
Nice. I would the charts show. Bad well, that guy those guys,
Adam Curry: so if you want a piece of that action, sign up
for no gender social.com So
John C. Dvorak: I pitched him on. I had a bunch I said this is
gonna be coming like Reddit. And so everyone comes in. Oh, no,
no, no, like red. Red is bad. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Big in the morning to Jordan 33 who brought us the
artwork for episode 12 160. The title of that was pre decisional
which is where the stim force stimulus package is at this
moment. It's pre decisional by the way, spoke to the the former
New York banker he says the only thing that's that is stopping
the fourth package is how much the states are going to get.
Because the states are in such dire straits with all of the
pensions and and health care for
John C. Dvorak: all Yeah, government workers for the
teacher that'd be the bond kalasha we've been predicting
for the last decade well,
Adam Curry: and I said so that's the bond collapse is not going
to happen. They're going to pump so much money into the states.
That won't be funny.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I that's apparently he's right. Is the
bond collapse. Does it look like it's gonna happen? Oh, by the
way back to the the no agenda chatroom. I the thing that bugs
me is when when it goes like when somebody goes like this. I
used to listen to the show until then they have some example of
something they didn't like. But that way they never listen to
the show to begin with.
Adam Curry: Wait a minute, there's people on no agenda
social who say I used to listen to the show until Yeah, now
that's totally Reddit. That's totally the reddit people who
are in there which is fine, which is fine.
John C. Dvorak: No, they have to be blocked
Adam Curry: or blocked individually. Yeah, you can do
whatever you want absolute that's the whole point.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm gonna put a block list together I'm
gonna advise everyone to block these people.
Adam Curry: But okay, get rid of oh, now you're talking I would
like I enjoy having you in no agenda social so
John C. Dvorak: I won't be there long as he's read it people take
it over.
Adam Curry: Okay, well work on it. I'm sorry. I don't know what
to say. Now thanking the for the hard work Jordan 33 the as I
said pre decisional episode 1260 This was one that popped it was
the bed I don't know what were other things but nothing really
came together into something cohesive. This was the orange
MAN bad Nike t shirt with 33 as the
John C. Dvorak: black became really good stand out. Yeah.
Adam Curry: And the reason for the orange MAN bad is now that
The sports teams can put their own social justice slogan on
instead of their name.
John C. Dvorak: Some basketball player has got to put that on
there.
Adam Curry: I hope so. Yeah, of course, of course the beautiful,
the beautiful. Hey, I just wanted to read a little thing at
home a second I had something really exciting just as we're
talking about value for value and the show. One of our
producers let me see find I go I cannot name and you'll you'll
know why in a second. I draw comics for DC Comics, and been
working on a huge Batman Joker series coming out in August. The
book is a huge deal for DC and they're betting this will be
their biggest seller of the year I ended up drawing a bunch of
different variant covers, which are more rare and sold in
certain stores. I don't know anything about this. I wanted to
show you this one which I will not post of course, featuring
the Joker and a bomb with the magic number on the clock face.
I did that specifically to honor the show and also to see if
anything happens when I put that out on the cover of the book.
Maybe the Illuminati will contact me within. Within the
three issue series. I've put a bunch of different hidden no
agenda, Easter eggs mostly in the form of graffiti on the
walls of Gotham's CD backstreets. Anyways, I'm a big
fan thought you might enjoy. I'm working on donating soon. This
is this is value right here man to be.
John C. Dvorak: Did I get a copy of
Adam Curry: this? This email? No.
John C. Dvorak: No, thanks for nothing. Comic Book Guy.
Adam Curry: No, I'm gonna send it to you. I'm gonna send you
I'm gonna forward you the Yeah, I
John C. Dvorak: went to Okay. I want an autographed copy of one
of these covers. Me too.
Adam Curry: That this is how I mean, I'm not a comic book guy.
But I know that comic book people kind of get dulled GD
about stuff like this. Particularly I
John C. Dvorak: want to mention. Okay, yeah, I agree here. You're
totally right. I just want to mention another one. I
mentioned. I use the Dan McCall piece for the newsletter.
Adam Curry: Damn. Oh, that's right. And that was a good
piece. What was that again? I remember seeing it going. Oh,
that was a woman with a man. Yeah. Oh, it was that was a
dynamite piece.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, she he did a couple of he did the one with
the trump the Trump in that kind of 60s lettering. Oh, wait,
isn't that? I thought that was? That was a call. I'm gonna call
Okay. All right. He doesn't do a lot. He's new. He's kind of new.
I don't know who he is.
Adam Curry: Well, it's beautiful. We appreciate it. No
agenda. Our generator.com is just one of those many, many
great producer initiatives that I'm sorry, what
John C. Dvorak: I should say McCall did. He did one piece
that is just every time I see I just looked at this is where he
only has about eight pieces he's submitted. But he did a piece
where they had Cleveland Indian that big smiling dumb look and
Indian that's the mascot for the Cleveland Indians. Baseball team
is on the hat. Yeah, called Chief Wahoo. His name is he did
the same chief only as Elizabeth Warren. I think it's beautiful.
I
Adam Curry: think I made a mistake. Or there's something
wrong in the in the credits, which I thought I'd fixed. I
think it was Darren O'Neal who did the art it wasn't Jordan 33.
Yeah, I'm sorry. It was Darren O'Neal was why is it saying
here? Yeah. No, Neil. Yeah, but I just refreshed the I guess it
was stuck in there. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Darren. It was
John C. Dvorak: okay. Louise made him sweat for a good five
minutes. He is seething. I know it was seething.
Adam Curry: Well, eventually the troll room almost reached out
and punch me in the face. Like, why is the troll room scrolling
so fast? Oh, I see what's going on. Thank you. And
John C. Dvorak: by the way, it wasn't it wasn't McCall. Who did
the it was Jordan 33. Yeah, was your injury called did the
football helmet with the with the Cleveland unicorns on
Adam Curry: it? Oh, okay. So what we've established is we
don't know what we're doing. And with that, we'd like to thank
our executive producers and Associate Executive Producer for
episode 1261.
John C. Dvorak: Well, you know, artists appreciate being chatted
up. I'm sure they don't like being ignored. No, of
Adam Curry: course not.
John C. Dvorak: And neither does Tony Cabrera. Ah, he doesn't
like being ignored. And he's at the top of our list with a
donation of 1100 $1,194.46 which is beyond a show number
donation. Here's your latest share. I didn't know this
because it's the latest share that no agenda shot profits. Yay
to after midnight here and so I'll keep it short. Adam expects
a renewed supply of neck gator soon to help you avoid stinky
masks syndrome. And John Be on the lookout for your own no
agenda, neck gator as well. Good. I'll wear it when I get
it. Dealers tour choice, jingle and karma please.
Adam Curry: So for those of you who are new to the show, no
agenda shop.com is They're not owned or managed or controlled
or operated by us, or any no agenda entity, but we have a
cool deal where they use art from the Art Generator. Then
they coordinate with the artists, the artists gets a
third of, I guess, whatever comes in, the show gets a third
in aggregate. Here we go. And, and somehow Tony Cabrera and his
merry band of elves that no agenda shop can survive on their
third and it's highly appreciated. And Tony, would you
do me a favor and send me an email? Because Rogen wants some
gators. And so I'll give you his address. You can send those
directly to him. And we've obviously he wants a random just
some random random thing. What do you what would you like for a
random thing?
John C. Dvorak: I like to hear said in a circle until a secret.
Adam Curry: Of course, she asked for one I don't have
Unknown: you asked. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I did ask. Here we go.
Unknown: Oh, there's no winning. We don't like to foster a
competitive atmosphere. But we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug
and share a secret.
You've got karma.
Adam Curry: Now for anonymous, who comes in from Augsburg
Deutschland? Hello, Deutschland against has a very long note
about the CCP. And let me see what I can get out of this. I
don't think we have to read the whole thing. John and Anna,
please keep me anonymous. While I give you some perspectives on
China. I'm a German based in Tokyo. Whenever I want to know
about China, I love speaking to Germans who are in Japan. But he
says I think I have the right to call out crimes against humanity
when I see them. Well, yes, China's new Hong Kong security
law targets not only people in Hong Kong or Chinese people, but
all people in the entire world. Yes, I think that's pretty well
established now that even if you say something bad outside of
China, if you stepped foot on Chinese territory, which could
include Hong Kong, you could be arrested and thrown in the
Gulag. If the Chinese have their way their territorial limits of
enforcement of temporary nuisance in the long run, they
want to establish Westphalian system of sovereign nation
states. I've heard this term. Do you know what that means? The
Westphalian system?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it is refers to refers to the system
that first started developing in Germany in his early pre
democracy, it's I know it's a historical term, you can look it
up. Okay, but it's it's a brutes of everything is a root of
modern democracy. Okay, well, that makes sense
Adam Curry: because he says, more generally, all people
calling for one world government are working against the
Westphalian system, which is right now it came to working in
China's interest. Well, surprise, surprise. If Democrats
and other leftists are calling for unity, they may do it for
other reasons, but it has the same effects. Yes, that's
certainly a political viewpoint I think is correct. With China,
the CCP is the actual problem, not the Chinese people. I
disagree there. I used to think that to this problem, this 90
million Chinese are a member of the CCP. That's your whole of
society approach. And all of society has got to stand up
against that. And the Chinese people, I have no specific
problem. I'm generalizing, but they're pretty rude. And they
think all the spaces there's so I'm not bigoted. I'm just
against them. That's not racist, is it? I can just be against
like, it seems like it's race from trying not to be racist,
but it's hard. Please support the people of Chinese origin
like the guys from New Tang Dynasty network. The world needs
these the CCP is the closest thing that can wreak massive
Havoc worldwide and deserves to be called Evil so it is indeed
the enemy the West and its allies can be comfortable with
well then we'll be the only people yelling in the darkness
of podcasting my friend but here we are, please make sure they're
gracious and Saki at the roundtable now he's not on the
list for knighting so I mean I I've highlighted and we could
just make him sir anonymous as well because there's no I mean,
I don't know what to do here. It's obviously an instant
internet situation. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: so that will just do what they do. I think we
just put it into bands
Adam Curry: telling the bands until we hear what to what what
are you asking for
John C. Dvorak: it? I would that's my recommendation.
Adam Curry: Okay, we will wait for that. In the meantime we
will give you a big China's asked Oh, Donald Trump don't
trust China China is as home there you go.
John C. Dvorak: All right. So I have a Yeah. Ah, cheese, right.
Okay, this is this next one is actually $100 donation that I
look back on the notice sent to, to Eric and I is it's 100 it's
not each not on this list for here.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. What am I am I do I need to take any
action? What's going on?
John C. Dvorak: She takes you need. You need to take some
action. What do I need to do? It's the $1,000 isn't is not
1000 it's 100
Adam Curry: from Brandon. Yeah. Nice try. Okay. All right. So
then we move on to Michael Thomas or do you want to read
Brandon's notes since we're here anyway?
John C. Dvorak: No I Brandon's note is that it may be later in
the show because not for the segment. It's my screw up. I
went back to look to note I sent to Erica the checks, and I put a
1000s that have 100
Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. Wishful thinking though.
John C. Dvorak: So this, you can bet that she couldn't be revised
by $900
Adam Curry: You can bet that Brandon was sitting there going
What was my pay pal? Let me check who had slipped zero
behind my 100 What's going on with those guys? Are you also in
charge? Are you in charge of Corona COVID testing in
California by any chance because you're perfect for it?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. We have 10 times as many cases as tests.
All right, Michael Thomas is on the list was from Fort Wayne,
Indiana. 355 Adams appearance on the Tom Woods show where I high
minded me donated to the best podcast this Adam thank you for
going on that show. Yes. And donated the best podcast for far
too long. I don't know if it's how you two met but I do
remember emailing Adam about Tom's request for help with his
podcast audio years ago I made my last donation in fact,
Adam Curry: we talked about that on the show and I remembered it
quite well. I
Unknown: remembered that he's to help him out. I
Adam Curry: did. Give him a few pointers you know pug father
like stuff.
John C. Dvorak: Forgive me pod father, five citizen 355 weeks
it's my last donation. This dollar for each week I've been a
douche does not satisfy my debt for the value I've received all
these years. But it takes I take a promise that I will settle my
outstanding obligations and join the roundtable soon. Thank you
both for all you do to keep my amygdala right sized and thank
you for the Dames and the Knights who have stayed your
exit strategy all these years without my help. Please de
douche me.
Unknown: You've been de deuced
John C. Dvorak: and He says he'd like Pelosi jobs. I'm sorry. A
Trump Pelosi jobs karma with a goat twist to support his
efforts at turning your hobby his hobby into a productive
enterprise jobs jobs
Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs
John C. Dvorak: Why don't you look at read me the Kyle Davis
three or three $3.34 from Lake Stevens Washington. Okay, well,
I go look up Mark min Sik in Arvada, Colorado and see if he
actually does have an email. All right.
Adam Curry: Kyle Davis Lake Stevens Washington. Three, three
3.34 He says he's tossing in his own extra pennies. So we saw he
says so you guys can keep your hard earned money to push me to
knighthood. Finally after making a few other donations back in
April around my birthday I'd like to now be known as Sir 22
of the p n ATNW. That will be the Pacific Northwest request
some Corona at the table I hear it has antibodies for the Runa
jingles okay. He wants Obama stuttering if if if if I think I
have that one somewhere Trump aroused oh it's one of those
days okay Trump arouse Let me guess Biden whole load Yeah,
Biden whole load and some jobs karma for my co workers at
Boeing who are getting laid off this month and the end of the
next month. He actually sent me a longer email. It's really bad
the 747 production is entirely stopped. I think they're only
planning on making seven 730 sevens. I mean, what's going to
2020 is a shoe huge cut just a chasm has been created in
aviation is going to be very very very bad people aren't
going to want to fly that much anymore. And it's going to be
bad so yes, of course we have some jobs karma for you.
Unknown: If we if we fall for it was hard to get it aroused and
it is hard to get it aroused but we got it arrest.
I'm going to give you the whole load
jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for job karma.
John C. Dvorak: Mark men sick in Arvada. came in at 348 16 hours
a night and he did send an email in which I will refer to with
this donation I joined the roundtable nice of esteemed
Damon nice accounting attached a truly humbling honor I would
like to be dubbed sir mile high mark okay I don't know if he's
listed as that Mile Hi Marcus I
Adam Curry: have it on my notes as such.
John C. Dvorak: There you go. It pleased to cater of the
roundtable I'd appreciate it medium rare ribeye and a good
night Imperial red IPA at the feast of the dames a nice Okay,
so he's got
Adam Curry: got the medium red ribeye and goodnight Imperial
IPA. It has bred a red periodic red red and
John C. Dvorak: then he wants some jangles sorry about that.
But they're Folmer maybe he's got more to write so I'm gonna
give you the jingle isn't it? Yeah, good. Yeah Folmer Sharpton
mint tulips. And China is es poco Okay, does Bohmer juleps
priests throwing some job karma for my son Tom and human
resource goat coming from my son and his wife Brittany some time
and Brittany are expecting a child in November nice no agenda
show us provided the balance and reason analysis so they keep me
grounded during the COVID crisis. I can honestly say that
without your bi weekly Thursday shows I would be much the worst
for where most of my friends and family are so far down the M
five M O MB rabbit hole that there is no reasoning with them.
No, I don't. Yes, that's right. That's the healthy way to go.
Yeah. Or I guess they say FM. The show has been a refuge for
sanity and reason since my son Tom hit me in the mouth a few
years ago. A recent producer sent a note with stated his wife
would kill him. If she knew he had donated enough money to
become a knight. I had to chuckle because my smokin hot
wife would feel the same way but oh she's she's an ardent
listener and contributor to our local public radio affiliate
Colorado propaganda or China public or I'm sorry Colorado
Public Radio. And we have contributed to CPR at least as
much as I have contributed to the no agenda show. Anyways, I
am proud to be a member of the NA tribe because let's keep
fighting the good fight Love and Light Dr. Milo Hi. All right.
Out on the sidewalk sipping mental of
Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
John C. Dvorak: Let's vote for jobs. A lot of goat goat glory
God also a Julian Erickson is in East Boston, Massachusetts at
$333.33. He writes this is jobs karmic payback from November of
2019. I was hired in January by an incredible company I could
not be happier. I could not be happier is a portion of my
hiring bonus to be reinvested back into the continued success
of the show. Thank you. Yes, thank you very much. To all the
listeners receiving checks from the government take notice jobs
karma works. consider donating now more than ever because the
universe rewards those who give value for value. My wife, my
wife and I welcomed a baby girl born in March during the peak of
this pandemic. What fun and my father is battling cancer
successfully but visiting him with our newborn has not been
possible due to the Rona. So I humbly request the following
jingles F cancer from my dad another job is karma to ensure
my new role stays in good standing and thank you for the
incredible work you both do. On the show love and light Julian
Unknown: jobs jobs and jobs That's karma
John C. Dvorak: Joe divert, divert do in Cornelius North
Carolina a lot of North Carolina people shot really quick. That's
great. You're in wine country.
Adam Curry: Hey. North Carolina today. Kanye West doing his
first presidential run rally in North Carolina. It's happened
North Carolina. It's trending it's trending.
John C. Dvorak: Anyways, he writes first off I want to thank
John for the accent that accompanied the note with my
last donation I loved it. I donate almost is that the one
Why did the tough guy voice I
Adam Curry: think so. Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: North Carolina like that. I love that I donate
almost a month ago to the day and I forgot to ask for a D
douching. Please the Jewish page.
Unknown: You've been deed deuced
John C. Dvorak: every cover that accent, my last donation and
because of the Ricci or drive by connected with a friend from
elementary school also listens. Shout out to Vince's low VOD Leo
fences of Oglio. I'm sending into second donation as a thank
you for keeping my amygdala small. I had multiple noodle
guns shot at me last week on the interwebs. But thanks to you
guys, I don't buy into this nonsense. Or MSM bullshit, as I
like to call it was an old friend from college who said I
changed because I don't think all the cops are corrupt. He
also didn't think that I was against that soochow a si AOCs
it suits Shia AOC. In another instance, I challenged the kids
idea that all Trump voters are racist. Right turned his
argument against them using the same idea. But with Biden's
terrible traits. He barked off and urged that we continue to do
the work. Even quoted it in his comment. I felt like it was
living a noodle gun episode. Thankfully it did reveal those I
know that are not buying in at a current sheepish BS. Could I
please get the Italian accent noodle gun jingle with some goat
karma? Yeah, yeah. And I'm sorry. It's South Carolina.
Where I work? Yes, that truffle room finally got caught up.
Truffle. Exactly. Here we go. With the Maduro. Pasta Glock
locked in. I'm surprised that doesn't get requested more
actually. Let's count it is pretty good.
Adam Curry: It's pretty funny. I like it.
John C. Dvorak: Kristen Smith and Blyton Lincolnshire, UK
333 33 Good. Good donations today. Thank you. Nice note,
there's not much to set for the $1,000. When there's not much to
say from the Gitmo nation East it's time for us to mask up and
hope that we don't catch the retreating virus. We can now go
to a bar restaurant mask free. But no, we can't get groceries
without one. It's interesting that here like in the US they
are promoting the number of cases rather than the number of
deaths. It did make me chuckle when John put our numbers in the
newsletter. The problem in the UK is that the Daily Mail is
more ridiculed in the mainstream media than Fox News is in the
US. Just remember, we have to pay a fee for just having a TV.
Hello. That's right. If you're watching TV from another
country, I'm trying my best to hit people in the mouth. So
here's a donation to make my life easier. You both do such a
better job than I ever could. Playing the no agenda show make
so many people realize the lame ass media. She writes us
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John C. Dvorak: That's weird. Oh, that's an interesting
approach now.
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John C. Dvorak: There's an there's a make good on the note
from Eric. Yeah,
Adam Curry: this Yes. This is a special request from Sam Lewis.
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You're going to blow your nose. Blow your nose around the mic
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Adam Curry: it. No because I had I had my mute pedal. I'm not
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roundtable have been a listener and monthly donor since 2008.
Way back in 2010. I hit my smokin hot girlfriend in the
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shady characters. There should be more of them. But my guess is
they were pushed to college for lucrative degree in gender
studies. We need to refund all that wasted tuition and enroll
them in vocation school. They could become plumbers and flush
that gender studies degree down the same toilet they learn to
install. As an aside I'm with Trump on reducing water
consumption regulation for toilets. Think about this how
which uses more water a single two gallon flush or a number two
job on a number two job or 10 flushes on a 0.8 gallon low flow
toilet does Queen Pelosi and Lord Newsome flush 10 times I
don't think so what kind of toilets they have Gitmo nation
deserves to know. And then finally, onto the reason I made
the big donation and the note that is a tad too long. Sarah
and I did the family planning things sort of in reverse. After
six years of being a MILF, I'd like I'm finally ready to make
Dame Sarah, an MI L M mother I'd like to marry. So with this
donation, I hereby ask Dame Sarah for her hand in marriage.
Thank you, Adam and John couples that donate together have
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With a slide whistle assists congratulation I hope she says
yes. After all that you imagined luckily.
John C. Dvorak: Luckily, he hounded us about this enough
Adam Curry: that we even had a little music dog because
John C. Dvorak: he had mentioned this note like three weeks ago.
Can you put my donation off to this date? Because I want to ask
my my retro to marry me. Yes. And I'm thinking oh, God, will
Adam Curry: we send this? We've messed up these things. So
John C. Dvorak: never do this. Right. Because we don't do we
don't do
Adam Curry: we don't do preparation.
John C. Dvorak: We don't have yet to shows that libbed? Well,
except for oh, well, luckily, he's smart enough. I'm gonna say
this and I know people. If you're gonna try to pull a stunt
like this. You really have to be aggressive with us. You have to
just hound us.
Adam Curry: Yes. And it's not because we're bad people. No, we
have.
John C. Dvorak: I will. I will mention this. I'm gonna look
back here. I do have I search for him on the emails. And he
sent in I think about six notes.
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course. Of course. He may even have anyone.
John C. Dvorak: On July 10. Just for record for the record. July
10. He sends a note in with a marriage proposal. Yeah, another
note on july two, oh, you sent her something back on July 12,
saying okay, and then on the 14th, he sent some in an 18th.
He says, note and the 90s, he sends in two notes was reminder
reminder. I got it, I will say, well, actually, the two
reminders should have been on the 18th. But yeah, that's I
hate to say this, he Well, but that's what you have to do, if
you really met want to make sure I think we would have pull it
off. But then again, the likelihood is about a 5050 shot
unless you do that.
Adam Curry: And the reason is, because we have no producers of
this show, we don't have a staff. That is the beauty of the
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last night, the producers, they've really they've trained
themselves, they know how to do things so well, from clips to
even as sending me if you send a link, it's either queued up to
the timecode or someone will send a list of time codes. I
mean, these are this is what producers do that people who
say, Hey, this is this is great. And send me a link to to our
podcasts and listen to this. Lots of good clips in here. Have
a listen. Yeah, so. So just think like a producer, because
that's what you are. And we thank, of course, Sam, because
that was beautiful. And we feel privileged to be a part of that.
We hope she said yes, let us know. And that's a typical no
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Adam Curry: you want to get married, you know where to go.
It's probably not with
John C. Dvorak: our formula is this. We go out we get people in
the mouth
I want to do a little segment on Kaylee. Oh, weekly segment. Oh,
Adam Curry: can I play the jingle since we don't have this?
Is this good enough for the jingle? Oh, okay. This is good.
Kaylee jingle there it is. I should have her on the standby.
I wanted to mention about Kaley. Someone had a close up picture
of her binder. Did you see this? I put it in the show notes.
Actually. Oh my god. She has. It must be 50 tabs. It's fantastic.
Let me see. I think I can bring it up here. It's all it's all
these. You know, I'll tell you what some other tabs are. i You
weren't I think you were tagged on this was a Twitter post. But
I know you're too busy on nodes in the social. So it's a it's a
candid shot. And I'll just read you some of the tabs, absurd BLM
ballot cases CDC, China COVID Can't read test early econ
election, Flynn golf, Goya hatch hate health. Carl, LGBT lies,
Mary can't read Obama PPE Pribyl as I'm privileged reopen Russia,
as you schedule universities as system. I mean, she wins. She is
it's almost like the shownotes It's like she's doing a podcast.
Someone throw something at her. She goes to the right tab. Bam.
And she's got
John C. Dvorak: is is the one that says Karl with a K. Yes.
Yeah, that's because it's about John Karl.
Adam Curry: Jonathan Karl from ABC News.
John C. Dvorak: And Jonathan Karl is stepping down or his I
think his term is up as they headed the press the White House
Press Association. And so they brought him on to the end. He's
never liked this woman. And so I think that tab is for him in
case he gets a question at the end, she flips to and has some
nasty things to say about it. Right? And he is and he is a
jerk. So he shows up on the view. And I think he sent the
word out too. And I think you're gonna start seeing this they
start blasting her for being a bonehead and and a mean person
and no good just no good. So here's here's the attack on
Cayley by John Karl on view.
Adam Curry: So your which is a it's his own network, right.
It's ABC his own network. Yeah. His
Unknown: tenure as president White House Correspondents
Association has ended in you've worked with 14 Different press
secretaries in all different administrations. Do you just
wrote also an op ed on this for The Washington Post? What what
do you say in the op ed that we should know?
Well, I'm concerned that the White House briefings that
become political events, kind of maybe a naive, old fashioned
notion that the White House press secretary is a public
servant, paid for by the taxpayers. And the job is to
provide information about what the President is doing and what
the executive branch is doing. But not to be a political
spokesperson, you are not the spokesperson for a campaign or a
political party, you do represent the President's views
to the press, but you're also have a duty to inform the
American people through the press, which most people get
most of their information from. And these, these press
conferences have become an effort to vilify the press to
try to discredit the press, and not to really give much
information but to give a political message of the day.
And I you know, wouldn't normally pick a fight with a
White House press secretary. But you know, I mean, except on on
an issue I'm asking you about an in a briefing, but but this
concerns me not so much what's happening now, but I hope this
doesn't become the way going forward. We have to get back to
the notion that the White House press secretary is ultimately a
public servant and not a not a political spokesperson.
Adam Curry: Wow. What is this all about? This is dumb quiet
this this has never never been a good civil servant who who was
working for the American people. What is this?
John C. Dvorak: Did they did this an idiot it will be like
does that mean this guy is really corrupt? Yeah, but so but
the word goes out and so now we're gonna see everybody
blessing this woman and we'll take it right down to the
Breakfast Club. Go No, it's Charlemagne. The God calling her
out as as a incompetent bonehead.
Adam Curry: Oh, you are the Breakfast Club pitch. Donkey the
day to day. Donkey today for Friday, July 17 called the White
House press secretary Kayleigh Maconie Danny magnanni. Kaylee
magnanni. Makes me
calling someone a donkey. You might want to know their name.
Charlemagne,
Unknown: Nana used to be in school. Anyway, Kaylee is a
prime example of the era we live in. Someone who was unqualified
to be in the position that they're in. The primary
responsibility of the White House press secretary is to act
as a spokesperson for the US government, especially in
regards to the President and the problem with every single person
in the Trump administration is one thing. They are all scared
to speak out against the president. If the president is
wrong, they won't tell them if the President makes a mistake.
They won't admit he made a mistake. Okay, America you
cannot love your party over the country. It shouldn't matter
what side you want. America is in shambles better be had
Coronavirus, don't care if we democrat or republican held your
economy don't care if you're Democrat or Republican trauma
doesn't care if you're Democrat or Republican, being sick
physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, those
elements don't care if you are a Democrat or Republican. We have
a lack of leadership in this country like I've never seen
before and it is showing
Adam Curry: Wow, that was that was a live read. He got paid for
that. He didn't even know how to pronounce her name. Yeah, that's
shameful.
John C. Dvorak: He was terrible. He goes on and then he also
exaggerate she she made a flub,
Adam Curry: and by the way, not not shameful that he's ragging
on Kaylee. I don't care about that. But the fact that that he
could, he didn't even know her name. And he's just reading a
script. That is That's lame.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Well, anyway, he bragged on her over a
flub she made when she said school reopening. Shouldn't
Adam Curry: is science. The science shouldn't stand in the
way something like that.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, the science shouldn't stand in the
way and then she's she goes on about how the science is for the
wordage was decided the science doesn't stand in the way right?
He said Shouldn't she read it? Right and she was read the wrong
words and she said shouldn't instead it doesn't and he made a
big stink about that. Doesn't stand in the way this and then
she said the science. Anyways, science confirms that you could
do it. She actually is don't forget she has a law degree.
She's been a PR person. spokeswoman before the White
House she was with the campaign is unqualified is hardly the
case. But we'll let it go because we're gonna see a lot of
because they don't like her because she's too good. Let's
let's listen to the two clips I have of her. One is Kaylee on
the Hatch Act.
The flows from two events that we saw recently that we wouldn't
have seen the previous white houses. The first was a campaign
meeting in the cabinet from last month. And then the political
speaks in the Rose Garden District. Can you talk about
your understanding of what the White House policy is to this
White House? As far as politics? Is there any place in the White
House where you think politics is inappropriate? Where do you
where do you draw the line,
Unknown: we act in accordance with the Hatch Act, it's well
established that the President and Vice President are not
subject to the Hatch Act. It says this much in the Hatch Act.
It says that the Hatch Act applies to executive branch
employees, which is defined in the Hatch Act as employee
meaning any individual other than the President and the Vice
President. So it's entirely appropriate to have everything
to do with this story. That's where you're alleging those
problems. Your real problem was was the fact that the President
gave a a very good powerful speech from the rose garden
Adam Curry: that was was the hat was the moaning about the Hatch
Act because the trumpets tend to bill from Mar a Lago.
John C. Dvorak: No, no, no, I think it was really stems back
to the to his doing the speech from the Rose Garden as just
seemed it seemed promotional, even though you should prove
that it wasn't. Well, certainly not the last show, but that's
beside the point. And I think, sitting around with Goya
products I didn't think
Adam Curry: oh, by the way, Goya products do you know that?
What's in Goya products?
John C. Dvorak: Cumin people
Adam Curry: close now? MSG.
John C. Dvorak: MSG and everything.
Adam Curry: Right? Ah, I'm not a big fan.
John C. Dvorak: But depends on how it's derived. I mean, do you
ever eat good mushrooms in your food?
Adam Curry: Well, it's different when when the when the it says
it on the container. It's not just a derivative or anything.
It says this. It has. What is the monosodium glutamate? I
thought that that was that's not it gives me a headache
typically. Oh, does it? Yeah. But only if I get it from like a
restaurant, I would say, like kung fu food.
John C. Dvorak: Well, they very rarely put MSG and Chinese food
in the Bay Area.
Adam Curry: Anyway, that's my advice. For us. I was it was an
aside, it's not a customer complaint.
John C. Dvorak: Now here is Kaylee. And this is where this
is her walk off. And there's something very unusual, I want
you to listen for it. When she she's going to answer a
question, George, she's going to go into her thing and then do a
walk off. And then there's something strange that happens
at the walkout just pay very careful attention
Unknown: to database, public data that's been out there.
It'll continue to be public, it should be public. And this is
all about getting more data out there. Not less data and
ensuring in particular that our doctors get that daily data
John C. Dvorak: clip for a second, okay, so you don't know
what she's talking about. She's talking about the CDC reporting.
So it's gonna go through the white to the health services,
then it's gonna go to the CD, ABC, even though the media and
Maxine Waters in particular CDC has been cut out of the loop,
when in fact, they're not getting cut out of anything. So
she's explaining it, the database,
Unknown: public data that's been out there, it'll continue to be
public, it should be public. And this is all about getting more
data out there, not less data and ensuring in particular that
our doctors get that daily data. And one thing that I'd also like
to point out for everyone, it's just with regard to testing,
we've done more than 42 million tests. As I noted, the second
highest number is 12 million from India. We're leading the
world in testing. It's a very stark contrast. And the
President mentioned this yesterday. So I just wanted to
put some, some additional information out there was
actually CBS reporting that in 2009, under Obama Biden quotes
and this is CBS reporting, CDC abruptly advise states to stop
testing for h1 and one flu and stop counting individual cases.
So while this president surge testing under the Obama
administration, they stopped testing entirely. And Ron Klain,
Vice President Biden's former chief of staff said this is
purely a fortuity that he won in one isn't one of the great mass
casualty events in American history had nothing to do with
us doing anything rights. This is former VP Biden's Chief of
Staff it just had to do with luck. Contrary to that this
President fled the world and testing led the world and
ventilators redistributing ventilators for therapeutics 13
vaccine candidates, one going into phase three clinical trial.
This response has been extraordinary and historic
Wheaton pause testing the Obama Biden administration did and
that was a shameful decision. Thank you.
Adam Curry: But what happened is everyone's mouth fell open. They
had nothing to say for the first time in forever.
John C. Dvorak: No. Then I did you went out to out of that
room. There was nothing. You didn't hear people yelling and
screaming at her. They say that's because Jim Acosta and
John Carl weren't there.
Adam Curry: Why does that not surprise me?
John C. Dvorak: Wow, those are the two guys that do that.
Adam Curry: So one down, one to go. Why is John Karl leaving?
John C. Dvorak: His term is up. Oh,
Adam Curry: but it will still be a metal he'll still be in there
asking annoying questions, though.
John C. Dvorak: I don't know for sure. He may start a gig that
you know, the news
Adam Curry: is not really not really a fun gig. Yeah, well,
you know, we have a big problem with with information in in the
system today, you know, none of it's right. Everything's wrong.
You know, it's a real it's at this point is basically a is
basically a health and health issue. The amount of
misinformation that is coming out everywhere, particularly
when it comes to Coronavirus. And luckily, the World Health
Organization is going to put a stop to this because when you
have problem with misinformation you want the World Health
Organization to step in. Because they are presenting July 21, the
first annual World Health Organization info Demi ology
conference.
John C. Dvorak: What's Demi ology
Adam Curry: in the context of the COVID 19 pandemic, I'm
reading from the webpage, the phenomenon of an info demic has
escalated to a level that requires a coordinated response.
An info demic is an overabundance of information,
some accurate and some not occurring during epidemic. Ah,
so they have a webinar coming up on the 21st Oh,
John C. Dvorak: a webinar mm.
Adam Curry: You can register for it. And the objectives are to
understand the multidisciplinary nature of info demic management.
Identify current examples and tools to understand measure and
control control info damage control them. The old debt,
public health research agenda to direct focus and investment in
this emerging scientific field. It's apparently a scientific
field info genealogy.
John C. Dvorak: Info D MI, ology. Wow.
Adam Curry: And establish a community of practice and
research and the participants will be experts from the field
of epidemiology and public health, applied math and data
science, digital health and technology applications, social
and behavioral science, Media Studies and Journalism,
marketing, UX and design, Risk Communication and Community
Engagement, ethics and governance and other relevant
scientific disciplines and practices. And they have a promo
video, we're not just
John C. Dvorak: sorry, go ahead. Say you gotta send me a link.
Adam Curry: Yes, it's well, it's the World Health Organization.
John C. Dvorak: Will it take to Webinar?
Adam Curry: Yes. So the July 24 21st is the public webinar
webinar. It's a zoom webinar, you're invited 1500 cet, so
that'll be crap. That's like 6am Your time probably, you may not
be doing the webinar. 6am your time? Yeah, tough decision
anyway, how to protect yourself in the info demic I think this
will be I mean, this is after all, the World Health
Organization, the same people who recommend we wear masks, the
same people who would recommend we wash our hands incessantly
saying people recommend we stay distance and afraid of other
human beings. Oh, let's listen to how to protect ourselves in
the in the info demic
Unknown: we're not just fighting an epidemic, we're fighting an
info demic this first quote from who Director General has been
widely shared. So what is an info demic? An info demic is an
excessive amount of information about a problem, making it
difficult to identify a solution during a health emergency, and
info demic can drown out reliable information and allow
rumors to spread more easily, impeding an effective public
health response. Why is it happening now? Information can
spread faster than a virus. With rapid growth of digital
communications and social media platforms. information spreads
fast from online to our physical lives. And how does it affect
us? online information can negatively affect our psychology
daily lives and behaviors worsening the ongoing crisis at
hand. In food MX make it difficult to recognize accurate
and reliable information that tells people what preventative
actions they should take. Some even promote stigma
discrimination or violence. Therefore, we all play an
important role to share trustworthy information and
reduce disinformation. Here are simple actions we can do to
mitigate the info demic.
Adam Curry: Oh, get your pen out, you're going to want this
to pin out.
Unknown: Look for facts and evidence. Be critical when
receiving information. Question the source for accuracy and
evidence compare with other sources to choose carefully,
share like or forward only content from trusted sources. Be
cautious, do not reshare forward or like false information you
know is not true for be a good example. Correct? Or call out
people in your social networks when they post something untrue.
Adam Curry: Be a good one. That's wrong. Who are you your
visa you don't know anything about? That's no good. That's
exactly what they're encouraging here.
Unknown: Be a good example. Yeah, correct. Or call out
people in your social networks when they post something and
true. refer them to verify content and expert organizations
for further input. By
Adam Curry: the way, it says, quote, call out people who post
something that may not be true. So just call them out all the
time. Correct or
Unknown: call out people in your social networks when they post
something untrue. refer them to verify content and expert
organizations for further information Oh expert or five.
Spend less time online. Only seek latest information at
specific times of the day,
Adam Curry: when, like six o'clock news. specific times of
the day, you know when CNN does their headline news,
Unknown: spend less time online. Only seek the latest information
at specific times of the day. Once or twice a day. If needed,
exercise, listen to music or read a book. This helps to
maintain good physical and mental health. Together, let's
combat disinformation and misinformation. Turn the info
demic into a positive information experience. One that
promotes facts and science.
Adam Curry: Okay, promoting facts and science. Thank you
World Health Organization. It's always good to know that you're
on our side when it comes to my safety in the info demic is very
much appreciated. And the news organizations the United States
have taken this to heart they have lusted to launch or they
have the Tni the trusted news initiative. And they have
another initiative of their own as they are setting up a shared
early warning system of rapid alerts to combat the spread of
disinformation during the upcoming US presidential
election.
John C. Dvorak: No doubt okay, this got down to the brass tacks
here. This is about Trump.
Adam Curry: Here we go. The Associated Press and the
Washington Post or the latest Sinese to the trusted news
initiative and industry collaboration of major news and
global tech organizations set up last year to stop the spread of
disinformation. T and I partners include AFP, BBC CBC, radio
Canada, European Broadcasting Union Facebook, the Financial
Times, first draft, Google YouTube, the Hindu Microsoft
Reuters Reuters Institute for the Study of journalism,
Twitter, and the Wall Street Journal. Oh my oh my. In the
month leading to polling day T and AI partners will alert each
other to disinformation that poses an immediate threat to
life or to the integrity of the election. So the content can be
reviewed promptly by platforms while publishers and serve to
ensure they don't unwittingly republish dangerous falsehoods.
You want more?
John C. Dvorak: No brother, the alert to join, but you don't
want to keep reading
Adam Curry: The alerts will also flag content that undermines
trust in TNA partners by identifying
John C. Dvorak: that there goes us
Adam Curry: here we are ready? This is his here's us in a
nutshell. Oh my goodness, I can't believe these people. The
alerts will also flag content that undermines trust in the
trust Network Initiative partners by identifying imposter
or manipulated content that purport to come from trusted
news brands. Oh, it comes at no agenda show. Those guys are not
trustworthy. To achieve this tea and I will deploy verification
technology called Project Origin from not orange origin, led by a
coalition although it should have been orange it would have
been funnier, led by a coalition of the BBC CBC Radio Canada
Microsoft in the New York Times when a digital watermark is
attached to media originating from authentic content creators
and can provide an automated signal warning of manipulated or
fake media
John C. Dvorak: is Microsoft God when did it when did it become a
trusted news? Whose organization?
Adam Curry: Well, MSN I think is still one of those
John C. Dvorak: MSN it's not even in business anymore. Now
the
Adam Curry: MSN msn.com is quite a big news site, and I believe
the
John C. Dvorak: bunch of gossip and and click bait. I was that
trusted? Well, so I'll let me go to msn.com. Yes. And let's just
look at some of the stuff on msn.com. But I think you're
missing the point. And while you're looking at well, I'm
always missing the point. But come on. I'm looking@msn.com.
Colorado gov National Testing scene is a disgrace.
Adam Curry: Here's why I think it may be important to have
Microsoft in there. This is the default page, I believe that
comes up with the new Chrome browser and the new
John C. Dvorak: with Chrome, I know it comes up with explorer
or no I
Adam Curry: mean, the edge edge edge edge is Chrome. Yeah, it's
the new Chrome browser so called Edge. I'm pretty sure that
Microsoft tracks every living click and view that you do on
your computer and that is going into this Tni network. There's a
trackers Microsoft is the biggest offender they know every
single story that people are reading because they track it
all.
John C. Dvorak: I see. Okay, so but as I just trusted news, we
have stories like how to entirely empty your gut every
morning top surgeon explains how the wedding photographer
captured these this photo. This
Adam Curry: must be this must be customized for you. I don't have
these stories on my MSN. Yeah, you do. Oh, I'm looking at I
John C. Dvorak: have you not customized by me. I go through a
VPN 90% of the time. Yeah, but they're still tracking you
Amazon shoppers love the $16 sunvisor that can be rolled up
for easy storage. Listen,
Adam Curry: I know I didn't get the How to empty your gut in the
morning. That's got to be news for you. That's not for me.
John C. Dvorak: Anyone can go to the I got to newest of these
msn.com Go to msn.com start scrolling down. Yeah, it goes
down for a decade. You can go down and down and down. It keeps
going.
Adam Curry: Okay, I got Britney Spears. All right.
John C. Dvorak: Okay. So that's for you. That's that that is
that is for me. That
Adam Curry: is yes. Customized because I follow her on Twitter,
too. Anyway. You're right. This is obviously the orange Bad Man
Network. And then something comes out. The alert signal goes
off and everyone can post their disclaimer on it so that it
doesn't gain traction and go viral. It's pathetic.
John C. Dvorak: The O M B network. We're going to use that
somebody needs to give us a big deep voice somebody with one of
those voices.
Adam Curry: That's Darren O'Neill
John C. Dvorak: you're listening to the O M B network pod. Orange
Man bad
Adam Curry: one second. You know, whenever you come up with
an idea like this, the thing that you want to do is go get
the the URL is what I'm trying to do right now. Won't be
network.com has taken crap. There you go. I can get the
dotnet but who cares? Yeah, okay. Nobody wants to die what
it wants to it's not worth anything.
John C. Dvorak: Here's another one on this on this page. Each
state hilariously depicted by one photo.
Adam Curry: Brother, what do you want to talk about now? Because
I,
John C. Dvorak: I want to hear I teased it in the newsletter I
Adam Curry: was worried about that you made. I said I got on
the last show. I said I got some good clips. For Robin D'Angelo.
All of a sudden, Adams didn't take her down. She won't walk
back in the street anymore. Oh my god, this should be
entertaining. And it was like, whoa, okay. Thanks, bro Sif. Now
I have to make something out of my two clips.
John C. Dvorak: You know, I had to do that because I had that
great picture of her.
Adam Curry: It really screwed me on that one. But I'm gonna get
you because I did the work. So you got to do the work. I don't
care what I did there. Okay. To bring everybody back up to
speed. If you've not heard of white fragility, the book by
Robin D'Angelo which is is unfired as the number one I
think a New York Times bestseller list is probably
still in the top three of Amazon. It's raking in the
dough. She learned her trade at some prestigious universities
and has tenure and has gone out and into the corporate world has
become a go to person for diversity training, eco equality
and diversity training, which has been going on for a long
time. But now there's finally one book that pops to the top of
the stack. And it's hers. And I'll just briefly give you the
premise the way I see it. If you read this book, which I have
done, you're immediately going to recognize a lot of things,
which you have is purely ignorance, you haven't thought
about people's lives, because different cultures, just
different people, because we're not all one homogenous mass,
although that's clearly what you would like. And the solution to
these horrible feelings you will now have after reading the book,
is that you have to atone for your whiteness for the rest of
your life. And no one else Oh, no one else can be racist, only
the white person can be racist. And I'll even go that far with
you on your social justice tip. But there's no end you cannot
you have to always be doing the work, as we established on the
previous episode about a week ago, that doing the work is the
code. If you are reading the book, you're doing the work.
Even if you're not reading the book, you're doing the work, you
say you're doing the work because then people shut up
because it's alright, he's doing the work. I thought I'd bring in
Matt Taibbi with a quick two parter, as he does his he did an
excellent deconstruction of the book on his on his stack,
stacks, stack suite, whatever that thing is called, wherever
he, you can subscribe and pay for his articles. This was him
on an interview. And we'll start with what the book recommends.
Unknown: So it's funny if you if you took parts of the book and
just looked at the areas where she's trying to bring the
attention of white people, to structural inequities to
different kinds of situations that they might not be aware of.
Because being white, you you're raised this situation, we are
simply not aware of certain factors, all those things very
positive. The problem is she has this other she she wrapped up in
this all encompassing theory that basically says that the
people are defined by their race, or by the perception of
their race, that these categories are inflexible, and
that the only thing you can hope to do to combat the prop ongoing
problem of racism is to relentlessly focus on race and
commit to a lifelong program of striving to be less white, which
is there's it's a very strange theology, which is, I guess,
becoming sort of academic mainstream now. But the book
itself has a lot of very odd theories connected to some
pretty uncontroversial and positive theories.
Adam Curry: That's exactly the way I felt it's like, okay, you
know, there's a lot of interesting stuff there about
racism that you're not aware of, or just ignorance, really. And
what it misses is the whole nepotism angle. However, she is,
as we identified part of a movement that has been around
for a long time, that is the EDI training and consultants scam.
This
Unknown: is the racism problem as seen through the lens of
somebody who makes 1000s of dollars an hour, being hired by
companies to address normally it's to address an internal
toxicity issue. So that what they do is they bring in these
people who come from, you know, various academic outposts, and
they bring teams in and they have trainings where they
facilitate anti racism, dialogues, and employees are
sort of herded into these trainings and forced to listen
to these speeches. And that's the lens through which her
theories come. It's this is how corporate America views the race
problem of use it as an individual issue, that we're
racism is sort of inexorably stuck in all of us. And the only
way that we can combat it is through relentlessly listening
to corporate consultants tell us how to fight it. And that's
that's the irony here is that I think what the ultimate the the
problem with this book, ultimately, is that this is the
corporate vision of how to tackle racism. It's just just to
hire people like this, to run through every company and search
out racism in every corner, which could mean 1000 Different
things that aren't necessarily good.
Adam Curry: And as I looked into, you know, some of Robin de
Angelo's peers, this is, this is really quite a big industry and
the Smithsonian Institute, set up a whole separate website
dedicated to whiteness, and the problem of whiteness in America.
And I was kind of chuckling because someone emailed a
graphic from the website, which actually this graphic has since
been removed from the website, but it's in the show notes. And
you didn't know because it was no context. You didn't know
where it came from, either as the n m a c h, which is the
natural Museum of African American whiteness or something,
but it's part of the Smithsonian Institute on their website and
this pamphlet used, he said, This is crazy who would put this
out? And it was the aspects and assumptions of whiteness and
white culture in the United States. Yeah, well, so this is a
real thing. It's from the Smithsonian Institute on their
website. And it's, it's really interesting to see how they view
what they call American whiteness. And it's like, if you
stuff that just like used to be an American, for an example, and
I maybe I'm way out of touch Boomer possible, but under the
heading competition, American whiteness consists of being
number one win at all costs, winner loser dichotomy, action
orientation, Master and control nature must always do something
about a situation aggressiveness and extraversion, decision
making and majority rules, but only when whites have power. I
mean, it's really a very sick view of race. It really is. It's
just very little to do with the race. Thank you. family
structure of whiteness, the nuclear family father, mother,
2.3 children is the ideal social unit. That's kind of ideal to
keep our whole damn country alive and growing. But okay,
husband is breadwinner and Head of Household wife is homemaker
and subordinate to the husband. Children should have
John C. Dvorak: own when is that ever been?
Adam Curry: Well, according to the Smithsonian. It's okay. It's
the National Museum of African American History and Culture.
That's the nm a HC. And that is part of the Smithsonian
Institute. I found it
John C. Dvorak: rather insulting sheet of paper, but it's also
like some of the things that are very positive they put into a
negative light. I find that yes, very disturbing.
Adam Curry: Yeah. It likes American type kind of things.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. So it will like to work for you know, they
work for money. They'd like
Adam Curry: to win but Well, yeah. Anyway, so but on this
website, there's an entire section of books for you to do
the work with and videos and front and center. Right there is
our girl, Robin D'Angelo and I had to pull a few clips just so
you can understand she's standing in a in a clearly a
set, but kind of like a it's supposed to look a little grungy
with a splash of color in the background is kind of a
industrial looking thing. I guess it's a choice with some
like purplish lighting, reddish, purplish colorblind, but I can
tell something was weird with it. And here is her intro to her
whiteness.
Unknown: I'm Dr. Robin D'Angelo, and my work focuses on the
question of what does it mean to be white in a society that
proclaims race meaningless, it is profoundly separated by race.
And to start this off, I want to draw your attention to the fact
that I'm white. So just look at me for a moment, think about it,
notice it. And part of being white is that is a very
uncomfortable thing for me to do.
Adam Curry: And I should mention that I believe this to be her
standard speech. This is probably what she does inside
companies, because it's so easy flowing for her. I'm sure that
this is how she starts her $12,000 These
John C. Dvorak: sorts of things. This all stemmed back to the
sensitivity training days of the 60s. And he went on and on went
through asked, these things are extremely, not only well
rehearsed, but they're designed to elicit a certain kind of
emotional response as she does them. These are very slick,
subversive seminars, if you go into one with the right
attitude, you can, you can actually actually understand
what's going on, you can actually get something out of
it. But generally speaking, they're designed to subvert the
and confuse the person,
Adam Curry: I would say, This is so good. And there's and there's
specific reasons for it, maybe even specific American reasons
for it. It is so good, because you have to agree with a lot of
what she's saying. And you really do get sucked in. But
then when it comes to the payoff, which is you're gonna
need me for the rest of your life is kind of sick.
Unknown: And it's taken me many, many years to be able to draw
people's attention to my race and see any significance in it.
And that's because as a white person, I was socialized to see
race as what they had. I was just a person. I was just a
white bread or Heinz 57 I didn't have race.
Heights. 57
Adam Curry: Do you understand that? Yeah, well, how was Heinz
57 How does that equate whiteness?
John C. Dvorak: It's like white bread. You should it would have
been a better example, but Heinz 57 She used for some reason I'm
not sure what. But it's a it's to it's to make it's like
something everyday product commonplace. It's all over the
place. It's not a big deal. Almost generic. Generic
borderlines not quite generic.
Adam Curry: lunch in America, we can put up a brand
John C. Dvorak: name.
Unknown: I was socialized to see race as individual acts of
discrimination and prejudiced individual acts that anybody
could do to anybody else. And if you did those acts, you were a
bad person. And that is why since I saw,
John C. Dvorak: you have to stop that and back it up.
Adam Curry: Yeah, sure. I'm waiting for you. Yes. She
John C. Dvorak: said I was designed to see race. Yeah. Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, now she Okay. Well, this is another
trick they use. Yep. This is where you use one word where
another word is the right word. You use the wrong word. She uses
Grace instead of racism. She should have said I was. I mean,
I know she's doing this for a reason. This is all part of us.
This is all 100. What do you call it? Neuro Linguistic
Programming at some level. Yeah. And so she's doing this because
it does. It screws up your brain when she says I've designed to
see race as an act, when a race is a thing. And racism is the
act. But she doesn't use race. She does that for a purpose.
This is very purposeful. And I want to mention that we do have
one listeners about to take this training. She didn't listen,
she's a producer. She didn't want to do it. And I had to talk
her off the ledge until you got to do it. Get the paperwork, you
got to report back, you gotta write an essay. Yes, for the
cosmic weenie. And part of the love to hear this thing because
I could deconstruct this woman in a minute
Adam Curry: in there. Well, there's a little bit more for
you. And of course, a new member of the trust Network Initiative
is cosmic weenie, we welcome them. I was
Unknown: socialized to see race as individual acts of
discrimination and prejudiced individual acts that anybody
could do to anybody else. And if you did those acts, you were a
bad person. And that is why since I saw myself as a good
person, I didn't see myself as connected to racism, and
certainly didn't see myself as connected to race. In other
words, I didn't have a sense of a racial identity. Today, I
understand that I move through the world always. And most
particularly, as a white person, I have a white frame of
reference, and I have a white experience. And part of being
white is to have that be invisible to us and to be able
to live our lives without ever acknowledging that, to see that
as non operative.
Adam Curry: Okay, any comments or
John C. Dvorak: operative? Move on to the next everything she's
doing? It's just old school asked.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, you'll love this next one and stuff. I
John C. Dvorak: mean, it would be an I like to I mean, I'm
familiar with the models, because I actually took a
psychology course a cow, that disgust sensitivity training and
made us go through a lot of it, so we could understand it. And
then when s came out, you know, it's just so obvious what was
going on as a brainwashing scheme. Mostly to get you to
keep them keep giving them money. Is this kind of proto
sales pitch for? I don't know, what is this like a religion?
And? Yes, yes, she's doing the same thing. And it's like a it's
a religion, it's become a religion. That's why people get
so adamant about it. And they get all pissed off if you if
your question Oh, or Yeah, I bring brings back a lot of
memories. I would love to go into this with someone who used
to be an S trainer, if I knew anyone. I know a couple people
that were into it. But an S trainer who knew what they were
doing would be, I'd love to go to one of the seminars with
them.
Adam Curry: Because you brought it up, I'm skipping I'm going to
play a clip out of my typical sequence from James Lindsay.
James Lindsay was one of the people who submitted all those
fake papers, if you recall, peer to the peer review process, and
it was stuff like dog homosexuality amongst dogs and
all this kind of stuff. You remember that? We played a
couple of clips from it was vaguely Yeah, and these and
these were all peer reviewed, like great paper. Fantastic. You
know, really understand that it's lovely. There's a term for
this. Were what you were just describing how people get all in
on it. And he mentioned it, there's actually
Unknown: a religious form of OCD, just called scrupulosity.
It's very common in games. It's not to Yeah, does it sounds like
something like that? No, the deal is that it's religious OCD,
where basically you feel like you haven't, you haven't
resolved your own complicity and sin correctly, and therefore
you're you're bound for the hellfire. Right, and it's
actually super common in Catholics. It's somewhat common
in Mormons and you sometimes see it in the stricter variants of
Calvinism, and I don't know it probably shows up in Islam as
well. I actually just don't know on that. But it is a form of OCD
where you're trying to like out damned spot Lady Macbeth
yourself for your complicity in sin. And I think The Angelou
whose mother was a lapsed nun, who went on to become a leftist
social activist. I do think that D'Angelo isn't even a real last
name, has has exhibit a rather strong case of scoop velocity
into read white fragility is basically 157, or eight page
confession of that. And then projection of it onto all white
people,
Adam Curry: scoop velocity, I was not familiar with the term.
I never
John C. Dvorak: heard that term. And when I first heard it, I
thought he said, screw ball acity. Which is what? It's the
same thing
Adam Curry: Scroop velocity, but it's, I think it's and maybe
that's something that's built into the into the old school,
Judeo Christian nature of Americans very much the way the
new Germans always have a version of Scroop velocity.
Because if you're anything the Germans like, come on anybody,
your immigrants come on, in no problem, because they have
severe guilt over World War Two. And that's, it's gonna take
another generation or two before that may go away. So there may
be something in certainly the American psyche that you can
play to, then that consider that guilt that you can just just tap
into whenever you want to. And that guilt is obviously the
whiteness,
Unknown: I'm going to repeat that because I think it's very
profound. And I really want us to sit with it.
Adam Curry: I love that this is this is such a training term, I
just want you to sit with that for a moment, I just want you to
sit for a moment about how white you are,
Unknown: that I can live my whole life in segregation. In
fact, if I follow the trajectory that my loving parents laid out
for me, in my good neighborhood, and my good school, and my good
college, and my good career, in which I would ideally rise to
the top, I could easily never have any consistent, ongoing,
authentic relationships with people of color, and not one
person who guided me ever conveyed, that there was loss.
And
Adam Curry: I want you to just sit with that for a moment. Just
sit with that for a second. And even better, I'd like to, I'd
like to take you inside of it inside your evil white skin.
Unknown: And I want to take us deeper I want to take us inside
this skin. My psychosocial development was inculcated in
the water of white supremacy, that is what I call this system.
I don't mean the kk k, I mean, a system in which whiteness and
white people are central, and seen as inherently superior than
to people of color. My personality was formed in that
water, my worldview was formed in that water, I didn't choose
it, it isn't my fault. I'm not wracked with guilt about it. But
I am responsible for changing it. Because the default of our
society is the reproduction of racism, it's built into every
system and every institution. And if we just live our lives
and carry on in the most comfortable ways for us, we will
necessarily reproduce it. There is no neutral space, inaction is
a form of action.
Adam Curry: Silence is violence it all comes together.
John C. Dvorak: This is another thing you do this is another
brain scrambling exercise the dollars you wear, you use these
DS you know, inaction is a form or action is a form of inaction
action. inaction is a form of action. Yeah, silence is violent
actions. A form of action is the way she puts it. So so that
means if you don't do anything you're actually doing right and
it's bad silence
Adam Curry: is violence. It's it's all the same people the
same thinking tying into the same guilt that is being played
on
John C. Dvorak: old silence. Violence. What was the one I
said to you earlier today, before the show started? I had
one read it somewhere. So normally,
Adam Curry: normally all you say is don't touch the knobs then.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, that's what I say every time. You keep
fiddling,
Adam Curry: fiddling with a thing. So before I continue to a
very different Robyn D'Angelo, and note worry the I could not
find it noteworthy that James Lindsay says that's not even her
real name, could not find her real name. And let's just take
well, and before we do that, from the same Smithsonian
website, is a woman named Bell Hooks. So just so you have an
idea that it's more than just Robin de Angelo's white
fragility, there's a very common theme underneath all of this,
Unknown: I began to use the phrase in my work white
supremacist capitalist patriarchy, because I wanted to
have some language That would actually remind us continually
of the, the the interlocking systems of domination that
define our reality.
Adam Curry: And it's because of this attitude that you're that's
it, this is an anti men thing. It's anti white men, they only
speak to women. It's right here. It's the white supremacist,
patriarchy. And why does it always have to be the patriarchy
that's thrown in there? Maybe we've evolved a little bit
unlikely, but maybe we've evolved a little bit. It's just
very irksome to me. So, but so it's always a male target. They
always Men hate.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah, you gotta hate men. Otherwise you
won't get you know, that puts more women into the, into the
lesbian pool for dating.
Adam Curry: As you referred to earlier, the Jewish friend. And
Tina's Jewish friends really afraid of Trump young going to
come after all Jews from the Trump. You're gonna get all
over. So she, you know, she starts talking about something I
said, Can I just can I just say that there is some real anger.
And there's only one group that everyone seems to be against is
straight old white men. And she says, Well, that's not it. Have
you? Have you listened to the news? White men, white men,
white men, old white men says straight? Straight sis white
men, old sis white men? Have you not heard that? Well, you can't
deny and from there I just Yeah, to that. I tuned out. It's like,
John C. Dvorak: Dang that you should have your bell.
Adam Curry: Well, you know, and I think it's, it's worth
repeating. The only correct response to anything like that
where you are accused of having privilege or just being white is
to say the following. As someone who has done the work, I'm
surprised you would use your privilege to assume that I'm
white. It's like the Vulcan nerve pinch when you do that.
They go and they can't speak.
John C. Dvorak: Confusing the computer and all Star Trek
episode. No, it's the Vulcan nerve pins like their patients
knocks on your ass but but it's the mechanism is the reason that
computer right computer. Okay, so that you're supposed to
protect men, but you're not protecting anybody. So Robyn
D'Angelo, I am here to
Adam Curry: protect man. As we look at the Wikipedia entry,
just briefly, she's September 8 1956. She's Burgo American
academic lecturer and author working in the fields of
critical discourse analysis and whiteness studies. She's
formerly served as a tenured professor of multicultural
education at Westfield State University and is currently an
affiliate Associate Professor of Education at the University of
Washington. She's known for her work pertaining to white
fragility. Now, her credentials, she received her PhD in
multicultural education from the University of Washington.
John C. Dvorak: And her dissertation on degree, her Ph.
Adam Curry: D. committee was chaired by James a bank. So
let's be careful here. What else so she's joined this also named
Associate Professor of multicultural education holds
two honorary doctoral degrees. All right, fine. Well, let's
listen to a little bit about her her. Her youth growing up,
Unknown: I grew up poor and white in the Bay Area. We moved
frequently. Figures, I think, from a very early age, I had a
very deep sense of shame. I will never forget a moment in which
two moments in fact, one in which a teacher held my hand up
in front of the class as an example of poor hygiene and told
me to go home and tell my mother to wash me.
Adam Curry: What you're going to hear is the amount of trauma
this person has. She has a lot of personal trauma. And I'm
going to tell you right now, I feel she's projecting.
Unknown: My mom was a single mom, she had three children. She
was
Adam Curry: sick, lots of reasons to hate men in this by
the way, and she
Unknown: literally couldn't house feed or clothe us. So I
was dirty. The other moment was visiting a friend of her some
some lady, you know, when you're a kid and you get taken to
somebody's house and they have kids, so you're playing and on
the way out. I was the last one out the door and I overheard one
of their children asked her Mother, what's wrong with them?
That I was requested what's wrong with them? And I stopped,
you know, riveted like I wanted to hear. And her mother put her
finger to her lips and said Sheesh, they're poor. That was
a, you know, revelatory moment. That was a moment when I, I
realized there's something about us that everyone can see that
shameful. But that should not be named. I mean, when I was your
John C. Dvorak: white privilege,
Adam Curry: when I heard this, like, wonder, doesn't didn't get
any better.
Unknown: At the same time. I also always knew I was white.
And I knew that it was better to be white
Adam Curry: thing, things I never thought I was a kid.
Unknown: I can remember seeing food left out on eaten. And I
was hungry, and I would reach for it, you know, maybe out in a
park on a picnic table or something. And I would be
admonished by my mother. Don't touch that. You don't know who
touched it? It could have been a colored person.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I don't know, man. That doesn't sound that
believable to me. This just,
Unknown: which was the language of the time, and the message was
clear, if a colored person touched it, it would be dirty.
There's their connection was actually dirty. But in those
moments in those moments, I wasn't poor anymore. In those
moments I was white. We used if you will, black people to
project our shame onto to realign us with the dominant
white culture that our poverty separated us from
Adam Curry: what do you think is wrong with her when you hear
this? Besides a lot just
John C. Dvorak: off
Adam Curry: yes, I think it's a lot of projection. She She wants
the rest of the world to atone for her shitty childhood or
something like that. There's some underlying stuff that is
John C. Dvorak: just cannot be. Net or she wouldn't be telling
these stories.
Adam Curry: And whiteness is not her only problem when
Unknown: I use my white position to break with silence and white
solidarity and speak up. I am simultaneously healing the lie
that I am inherently inferior because I grew up poor, right.
So for me to center race, even though I experienced oppression
and have experienced oppression and other aspects of my life for
me to center race, depression, feed every other identity or
experience through that lens has been the most profound tool, if
you will.
Adam Curry: So this is her. This is her. Her process her therapy
is to do this. Because she was depressed. She's saying it right
there. I was depressed. And by doing this work, I feel good.
Again, it is the genesis of her guilt gene. Anyway, yeah, two
more clips. She's got some, she's got some outstanding
advice.
Unknown: But hope is such a tool in a way of whiteness. And we've
dangled that tool in front of black people for 400 years. And
we keep not, you know, not showing up in the long term.
Adam Curry: Hope has been dangled in front of black people
for years, you evil, evil White people, how can you do that and
Unknown: more hopeful about our future.
Adam Curry: Evil white people
Unknown: are more hopeful about America. And I ask you to
sustain that hope. I'm not talking about blind optimism.
The kind of hope that just ignores the enormity of the
tasks ahead, or the roadblocks that stand in our path.
I'm not talking about the wishful idealism that allows us
to just sit on the sidelines or shirk from a fight. I have
always believed that hope is that stubborn thing.
Adam Curry: Angler in chief angler and chief Obama, Mr. Hoek
literally dangling in front of black people. What a horrible
horrible man.
John C. Dvorak: A must be white. All right. Then, you did. You've
performed very well, considering all the promotion I put in that
news. I
Adam Curry: have a kicker for you. Here's the kicker.
Obviously, everyone needs to be doing the work. This is very
important. You have to do the work. But this work comes with a
stark stark warning. Do not yes, she hasn't. Yes, there's a
problem. It's a marketing problem, which we know it's not
really something she wants to say in that manner. But people
are going off and starting their own do the work groups.
John C. Dvorak: Oh no, you can't do that. We also have to figure
this money away. From the main group,
Adam Curry: stem, here she is, we also
Unknown: have to figure out how to do that work in accountable
ways. I am a little nervous about, like, how many people now
are like, Oh, I read your book. And now I want to start a book
study or I want to start a workshop. And you know, it takes
years of experience and study and struggle and mistake making
and trust building me to hold a group around race and really
hold that group and push them and help them go where they need
to go in ways that are constructive. It takes a takes a
lot of experience so so we just have to think, Okay, this isn't
the format to give the answer to accountability made a mistake to
be asking ourselves that
Adam Curry: I am the chosen one. You cannot do this without me.
John C. Dvorak: Just made a mistake by doing that book order
Earhart never did a book.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think you're right. She She just screwed the
pooch. People are off doing their own work. No, no, no, it
takes years, years and years and years. But you know what it
takes to talk to a group about our race. This is snake oil. But
it's very effective. women around the world are all into
this. And it's okay. It's very good to be aware and not be
ignorant about other groups and cultures. We're all Americans.
But this guilt thing has got to stop. And it will only stop when
people freak out.
John C. Dvorak: We'll see how it goes. But it's always ends
poorly for the for the show, for the person that's running the
whole thing.
Adam Curry: Does it always?
John C. Dvorak: I think so
Adam Curry: when he tried to be like a cult leader. Well, I
John C. Dvorak: mean, he ended up like, while Ron Hubbard where
you're end up where the government goes after you can't
get off and you're stuck there for the rest of your life until
you die. That's not, you know, yeah, it's comfy. But so what?
Adam Curry: Well, right now the only problem she has to deal
with is to podcasters who are ridiculing her, so I'm sure
John C. Dvorak: a lot more people were ridiculing her over
time.
Unknown: I'm gonna show my mood by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun
John C. Dvorak: and I will mention that I'm going to I'll
read strip Slayer, the Mojave wastelands note at a future time
it's a really a good note. It talks a little bit about some of
the stuff but he also said he's the one who sent the Nixie clock
out. Oh, I love those. Yeah, I make she says get some tubes
while you can. Your start they're starting to fail the
tubes are crapping out.
Adam Curry: Mine broke.
John C. Dvorak: You dropped it.
Adam Curry: I didn't someone else who shall go on named
dropped it
John C. Dvorak: to all the tubes break three of them.
Adam Curry: It's pretty bad. It's and then I looked I was
like I'll replace it. A can only buy them in a kit and to put it
together. No, I don't think I can do that.
John C. Dvorak: You can buy says loan tubes and tubes. Okay, now
that's what I'll look for. But just look for that. nixie tube
any nixie tube that size? Yeah. And then you can either they're
probably too expensive by now. I mean 10 bucks apiece. Okay. But
they're, you know, they're cool. I haven't dropped mine.
Adam Curry: Well, you don't have a lot of Pete You don't allow
people in your in your domain.
John C. Dvorak: There's plenty of people floating around but
they just don't I
Adam Curry: wasn't allowed.
John C. Dvorak: I don't know what that means. And
Adam Curry: when I was at your house, I was
John C. Dvorak: Dixie tube. I was on the first floor you could
have easily seen it. Let us say they would they would love to
have a nixie tube clock Charles Bennett would be one of them. In
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but she figured out how to get in touch with us and she wanted
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birthday list and she's been she's been hounding me for about
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she said, this is Reema Harb, I would like to wish my friend a
happy birthday. Congratulations. I wish my dear dentists all the
best. Oh for her birthday, sorry, girlfriend or friend.
Cheese now I'm confused. I would like to donate $70 I hope that's
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you. And thank you so much for supporting the show and I hope
you're
John C. Dvorak: listening next time. Listen for a good show.
You like it? It's
Adam Curry: it's entertaining. We can hang out.
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Adam Curry: The autonomous zone surrounded by Harlan the
Netherlands. I didn't know that was CR America. Apparently it is
and he wants to jobs Carmen with the goat twist for her and we'll
do that. At the end.
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5678 says that we're a national treasure. Now that's Fauci. How
can we be that Dean Roker in East Grinstead, UK 5510 I var
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Adam Curry: Hanging II far from there, Felder?
John C. Dvorak: inviter Val de fooled No.
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He says we sent out a special note to the Canadians it would
have to
Adam Curry: by the way, the Scott gel burn is another rogue
Joe Rogan crossover. And we have a jingle organ donation Rogan
donation apparently
John C. Dvorak: it's cute. Like Rick in North Carolina 5150 He
did send a handwritten notes and dwells pan printed. Thanks for
the best podcast and lead again for my birthday donation was
June 25. I put him on the list. Yeah, I guess the donation says
it all keep up the great work somewhere in Central North
Carolina, North Carolina people
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Adam Curry: excuse me, Austin Knight.
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Carolina. Tomorrow's Carolinians. Oh, both in the
same town and this sense Wow.
Adam Curry: Well, you know, what, didn't didn't they have a
meet up? That's I think that's what happened. They must have
had a meet up in North Carolina. Pretty sure they do.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, Chris. See a valiant day in Toronto,
Ontario. Thanks for always making my boyfriend Derek birch
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Adam Curry: Happy three months Babe and to a lifetime more.
Okay. Chrissa I don't know what this means. Well, no, I know
exactly what this means. So they've been dating for three
months and he's been hitting her in the mouth Chris Don't worry
that's a fixed distantly very consistently. And and she is an
I think this may be a match for long term.
John C. Dvorak: Because she's she's $50. In what? See
Adam Curry: she sees that it makes her boyfriend so happy and
excited to talk about it.
John C. Dvorak: It's got to be a bore to her. Okay, what else did
they say? Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, okay, I roll. I roll.
Yeah, no, that's great. You know, maybe you could do me a
favor now.
Adam Curry: Well, happy three months. Versary I know how women
think that's great love and Baronet.
John C. Dvorak: Amen. Fist bump is the last on the list. And
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Unknown: Hello, I'm Tim Joseph. This is Alex from the non agenda
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Adam Curry: Croatia, what are you doing to me? kreusch did not
come through on the meetup.
John C. Dvorak: No, but once is a shame but one meter I asked
friends in Croatia they could have gone yeah,
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John C. Dvorak: Sometimes you want to go hang out with Dyson
days. You'd be triggered. You want to be safe.
Have you ever noticed is when you travel around the world? You
know, you go to the different countries and you see you you
find this kind of like a thematic look. And a lot of
times with the women you'll see this this kind of stuff. Lot of
them have a look and some are Dead Ringers for different
people. Yeah. Croatia. Oh, yeah. Natalie Wood.
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. Yeah, the Croatian girls. Were
always I don't want to say it. In Amsterdam. The Croatian girls
were we like the Croatian girls. We found
John C. Dvorak: a bunch of hordes of you trying to bring
you in. They'd like to
Adam Curry: party. The Croatian girls like to party? Yes. That's
what I'm saying.
John C. Dvorak: Well, if you look right, Natalie would you'd
probably like to party too.
Adam Curry: Well, that's true. Quick little, just a list here
of some noodle gun targets. Ellen DeGeneres seems to be on
target for the noodle gun.
John C. Dvorak: In fact, she's on target so much. I was just
reading a piece about her in Buzzfeed is out to get her.
Yeah, unless Pete has a writer that actually says if you have
any dirt on Ellen send me an email. She got her email right
now Linda in the in the column she wrote bitching and moaning
about Ellen and Alan's apparently they've not you know,
they haven't forced them to, to do the do the do the work. And
they wanted to do the work and not get some consultants in and
do work.
Adam Curry: I think the problem is, the employees claimed they
were subject to a toxic work environment, which I understand
is well there's two things. One when you're an Ellen's a
generous level and at that kind of show, and I witnessed some of
this myself at MTV, you work at the Ellen show as well shit
because we can get 1000 people for you. And it is run like a
dictatorship. And I'm sure noodle boys and girls are not
liking that. Add to that. Yeah, that Ellen's a generous was seen
hanging out with George W. Bush at the at the game. I think
that's where it starts go downhill for her for her.
John C. Dvorak: I think you're you know, I always forget about
that. But that is the Genesis. It has to be
Adam Curry: Yep. The noodle gum GamerGate 2.0. As far as I can
see, three Ubisoft executive stepped down again, due to a
toxic culture, whatever that means, or at least culture not
compatible with the organization. Cisco has fired
employees that question Black Lives Matter during a company
wide racism discussion. What they did is they posted don't
all lives matter. Sorry, you're fired. You're done. If you do
that mistake, mistake, mistake noodle gun for you. Did you see
this article in The New York Times about black wine
professionals?
John C. Dvorak: Now, what are they bitching about?
Adam Curry: Let me see. TJ I'll just read a little bit. TJ
Douglas and his wife Hadley own urban grape, a thriving wine
shop in the south end neighborhood of Boston. Before
the pandemic, a regular internet customer with whom Mr. Douglas
had had many discussions online about wine, walked into the shop
for the first time. The customer who was White had come
specifically to meet Mr. Douglas comb. He did not know what's
black. He looked at me and walked right past me to an older
white man who worked for me and thanked him for all he had done.
The employee pointed toward me. And the gentleman turned around
and looked shocked. He had never thought of buying wine from a
black person before. He also looks extremely embarrassed.
Yeah, he needs to do the work.
John C. Dvorak: There's a number of wine professionals at the
highest level and you you kind of want and I don't want to
promote multi CultI but you kind of want other ethnic groups to
get more involved because they sometimes have a really
tremendous palette just naturally. Oh yeah. As one of
the best sommeliers I've ever run into his Japanese, who just
was just unbelievable. And yeah, it's a black guy. A lot of black
guys get into becoming blind connoisseurs and they get really
good at it. And then there's not a shock to me.
Adam Curry: Well, apparently, the New York Times this he's
nothing but racism in the sector.
John C. Dvorak: That's the way it goes.
Adam Curry: is nothing but racism. You're not putting into
work sticking on the racism tip black lives matter for just a
second, the Washington Redskins who since we've been doing the
show, I think there's been I mean, probably Chin's long
before that people have complained this name is no good.
It's racist. We can't use it. Why that on and on. And so they
finally they finally saw the noodle gun come out, and they
had to at least announced they're going to change their
name. But what do African American Indians think about it,
or some would say Native Americans? Well, I went to the
people's, I went to the source Naga, the Native American
guardians Association, who say, we do not agree with this. We
believe in education, not eradication. And above all, we
kind of like the Redskins deal
John C. Dvorak: actually makes me feel proud. it uplifts my
spirit and reminds me of my cultural background and my
heritage and where I come from,
it's never been an issue for for myself or anyone in my family.
Unknown: Why? Why do they want change name, it's not a big
deal.
A Redskins it's it's a powerful name, it's a toy or name.
To break it down into something it's not. The intent has never
been never been to degrade people.
Because it represents a strong justice warrior feel proud about
that they are associated with a team that's a professional team.
At the highest level of football,
and the emblem it shows a strong warrior and our ancestors have
always taught us to be strong and be proud of who you are.
John C. Dvorak: I feel proud to be Redskins, the Redskins name.
It's
Adam Curry: always been a term that we felt for it was a
unifying term.
Unknown: And we do call ourselves skins to which is
derived from Redskins. I feel like it's too insignificant when
there's bigger topics to talk about in Indian country
are issues that were more concerned about health care,
crime and reservation, alcohol, drugs, just lack of employment.
He had like four or five
families living in one house. They've never asked Native
Americans I mean, it's all it's somebody else. Who knows nothing
about us trying to speak for us and it's kind of an insult
to me and my kids we don't think of as derogatory or anything.
Don't bother me in any way. It's not an issue with us.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, wait a minute. We had a clip in the
last show where this woman said it's a racist slang term full
stop.
Adam Curry: Well, no one thought to ask the actual Redskins what
they thought about it. They like it they think it's a warrior
they were proud of it and that kind of disappointed
John C. Dvorak: is just propaganda. Where'd you get this
horrible propaganda clip from? nega nega? Well,
Adam Curry: the Native American Guardian association there was
some some one Native American in there who sounds like he was
from Canada a
John C. Dvorak: day. Well, a lot of Yeah, well, that border Dave
Sure. Makes sense. Oh, hawks makes those guys some kickass.
Guys, those
Adam Curry: guys Exactly. That's why we didn't want to change
Apache helicopters. Or should nukes you want to change any of
that. That's badass. Yeah. Do you have an ISO for under Show?
John C. Dvorak: No, I didn't. You know, I was thinking about
that. And then I was thinking about it while I was getting
these clips. And then I said then I forgot. It was just like,
it slipped my mind. So I do have for
Adam Curry: I've won I've uh, maybe a contender was sent to
me. Let's listen to this. Okay,
Unknown: I've done dumb things. Now do dumb things again.
Adam Curry: Joe Biden, dumb things dump things. I thought
you'd like it.
John C. Dvorak: Now I have a series of things I wanted to run
off but I can't now because the show's over. So I'm gonna teason
Okay. Yep, Thursday, and I only even got in this is only from
the first 20 minutes. But I would recommend people go see
this. Because I'll have some thoughts on this interesting
interview that Stephanopoulos did with Mary Trump.
Adam Curry: Oh, crikey, man you sure you don't want to do that?
Because it'd be so I think we should do it I think we should
tell the affiliates don't go long on a second affiliates
affiliates we notify you we're going long.
John C. Dvorak: Alright, we're just gonna take about this would
be 1015 minutes. Maybe. I keep it down. Let's start with the
teaser for the whole thing, which is the Mary Trump zero
clip where John Karl again on the view brings up the Mary
Trump book
Unknown: now how do we how is he handling the release of the
book? Do
you happen to know?
I mean, I'm told he's he's deeply frustrated about it. He
obviously tried really hard to stop the book from coming out
even enlisted his brother, his younger brother, Robert Trump.
Trump's Trump's upbringing, his family, there is very little
that he's ever really talked about, you know, we know is his
you know, that Mary's father, his older brother, Fred. You
know, Dido, you know, related to alcoholism. The President's
occasionally talked about that, but he almost never talks about
his upbringing. There's very little known and he's had
nothing to say publicly about this. He's answered very few
questions since this book came out. I tried to ask him he
clearly heard me this was the day it came out. I yelled out
and he reaction very simply any reaction to your nice, you know,
Mary's book, and he completely ignored me walked out at that
rose garden event we were talking about. I wanted to ask
another question, and he figured I might ask about her. He did
not call on me to not take any questions. He hasn't been
tweeting about it. He's been amazingly silent about this,
which makes me think it really actually really bothers him.
Adam Curry: And, and the reason why I'm very happy we're going
long as I think the story is going to someone's gonna blow in
the next few days. I don't want to I don't want all this work to
go to waste.
John C. Dvorak: That this is great. I'm not arguing with the
decision. Red Trump died in 99. This woman who is I looked at
her I said, she had it. First of all, she was showing off her
thumb ring. And she's kind of she's wearing purple lipstick.
Yeah, that's not and she's pissed off. And she's a pissed
off lesbian. Oh, yeah. She when he seriously Wow, she's a
lesbian and the look her up. She's lesbian. Okay.
Adam Curry: Let's bar radar is fantastic.
John C. Dvorak: Well, the thumb ring. George Stephanopoulos did
a long interview with her. And at some point, he was just you
could see he had a look of disgust on his face. And by the
way, when he does interviews, he's gotten to become an
excellent interviewer. He asked the right questions, he does the
right follow ups. He strings the person along perfectly keeps it
going, calls them out on things. And he was getting annoyed with
her because she was talking out of her ass and you could just
tell she doesn't know anything. She doesn't she doesn't know
anything. She's she's talking about what Donald was doing when
he was two.
Adam Curry: Right? Born How does she know that?
John C. Dvorak: She she doesn't know anything. She was born in
65. She's a mind reader. She does have a PhD in psychology.
But like she's a mind reader. And so whole books about that
you'll get a sense of that as we listened to let's start with
clip one and get the intro.
Unknown: Hello, and welcome to ABC News Live. We're hearing for
the first time from President Trump's niece, Mary Trump since
the publication are explosive two new memoir too much and
never enough. And I sat down and spoke with her in this exclusive
interview about her uncle about her belief that he is, quote,
utterly incapable of leaving this country and why it's
dangerous in her view to allow him to do so. Here's my
conversation with Mary Trump too much and never enough. Explain
why you chose to title
in thinking about my family. It applies because people associate
money with them, understandably. And for my grandfather in
particular. There was no such thing as having enough money. So
I was thinking about what that meant. And I and also thinking
about the psychology behind him and his children. I was very
curious about the foundational issues that Donald and his
siblings lived through. And I realized when really carefully
examining the kind of childhoods they had, particularly Donald
and my father, there was this very real sense for Donald when
he was quite young, that there just wasn't enough love,
attention, support. And for my father, who was quite a bit
older, there was too much attention, you know, he was the
heir apparent, my grandfather focused on him was
extraordinarily hard on him. So because there was such an odd
degree of difference in terms of what the children received,
again, particularly the two brothers for Donald's, there
could never be enough to compensate for the loss of what
he experienced as a child. And for my father Other, there was
always too much of the wrong thing that impacted everybody in
the family.
Adam Curry: Oh, that hurt. Her analysis of Trump is as good as
mine of Robyn D'Angelo.
John C. Dvorak: This listen to I'm going to skip that we will
play the successful. Let's skip to what you just heard. I want
you to skip to clip five on on our father.
Unknown: Tell me about your father is best.
Unfortunately, I can only do that through other people. By
the time I was born, he was quite ill. Alcohol, yes. Which,
you know, caused all other kinds of illnesses too. And because my
family for reasons that are rather complicated, we're very
invested in portraying my father, as a loser, somebody who
didn't tow the party line, somebody who betrayed my
grandfather by not going into the business, and be doing the
entirely irresponsible thing of becoming a professional pilot
for TWA at the dawn of the jet age. I much to my shame, I
didn't understand what he had accomplished. I was often
ashamed of Him, not realizing that he had no support in the
family and was treated as somebody who was damaged beyond
repair. Oh, man,
Adam Curry: now I feel bad for her. And she's she's
traumatized.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, she's exactly the same as Angela.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And it's all it's always the dad, the dads
will mess you up.
John C. Dvorak: So she'd never knew her dad, she says, But
after we heard the first clip, she's going on and on with all
the lies away and I will tell you that Stephanopoulos was just
getting more and more annoyed by her let's play a clip to okie
dokie is a long clip.
Unknown: All Begins with your grandfather? Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely. Say he's a sociopath.
Yes. What do you mean by that?
He had no empathy. He was incredibly driven in a way that
turned other people including his children, his wife, into
pawns to be used to his own ends. If somebody could be of
service to Him, then He would use them. If they couldn't be he
excised them. And in my father's case, tragically, he was not
abuse. He was the wrong kind of person. He was the wrong person.
He was the wrong son. And my dad never recovered from that. And
my grandfather essentially needed to get rid of him.
You say your grandfather destroyed both your father
because he wasn't the person. Your grandfather wanted him to
be? Donald Trump is president knighted states. Yet you say the
grandfather destroyed him as well?
Yes. He went about it differently. Because
unfortunately for Donald, he could be abuse to my
grandfather. It wasn't as simple as that. Of course, Donald's had
many years of watching my father be the wrong one. behaving
differently. Not being not being accepted for who He was. And
it's impossible to know who Donald might have been it under
different circumstances and with different parents. But clearly,
he learned the lesson from watching his almost eight year
old brother be punished for being kind for being generous
for being sensitive for having interests outside of what my
grandfather thought was acceptable. You know, he loved
to hang out with his friends he loved to boat and fish and fly.
By the time he graduated from college, she had his private and
his professional pilot's license. He wasn't a killer. He
was not a killer. And, shockingly, that was a bad
thing. And Donald learn that lesson. Wow.
Adam Curry: This is all just based on hearsay. She wasn't
alive for most of that.
John C. Dvorak: She wasn't alive for most of that. And she never
knew her father even when she was at the time she was from the
time she was born. But what I hear is I died when she was 15
or 16.
Adam Curry: What I'm hearing a little bit of is someone who was
familiar with her grandfather's thinking and her side of the
family base. Euclid got screwed out of everything because he was
the wrong son. And it sounds like there's hatred and jealousy
of Donald J.
John C. Dvorak: Well, you have to remember that there was a big
lawsuit over the inheritance and she was behind it. She only got
200,000 bucks I believe, maybe when everything was divvied up,
and it went to the to the everybody else. Sheesh, this is
bullshit. This whole book is filled with just somebody, you
know, this is worse than some of those early books better than
Michael Wolfe book. Yeah, some of these.
Adam Curry: You know, at least the steel dossier had
interesting hookers peeing on on beds in Moscow. I mean, that at
least was a story. Now they're dragging this woman everywhere.
And oh, boy, she's the expert. She knows nothing. She knows
John C. Dvorak: nothing. And it's becomes really apparent
when you listen to her watch her try to answer this simplest
question. We got two more clips Cisco with three you write
Unknown: that he knows deep down that he has nothing of what he
claims to be. He knows he has never been loved. His children
love him.
I don't know if that's true. I don't know my cousin's very
well, they're much younger than I am. And I guess it also
depends on what that means.
What does it mean to you? To me,
love means being connected to another human being in a very
deep way. Being able to share things with them and trust them.
In terms of parent for a child, it means sacrificing for them
and accepting them no matter what. And never putting them in
a position to live for you or cheat for you or take from you.
And I don't know that most people in my family understand
that.
Adam Curry: You know, I don't think this has enough legs to go
she's got nothing. She has nothing that the media can
really sink their teeth into. Other than whatever she just
saying about stuff that she doesn't that she was only
hearsay that's this is I can't believe the amount of airtime
she's getting Rachel Maddow everywhere.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, they're just look, there's there's grasping
at straws. I mean, if you think of the John Karl commentary that
you heard at the beginning of this presentation, were all
Trump's fault. Trump is it hasn't even got the I wouldn't
say the balls, but he doesn't he feels bad about it. That's why
he's not talking about it. Trump could just say, Oh, she's you
know, he could say a few things about her. But he's not saying
anything because he's more loyal, you know, to his family.
And he has to just assume that you just have to let his slide
he's letting it slide and Carl and I tried to ask him if he
doesn't want to talk about it. Because, you know, he's scared
of a dog or
Adam Curry: scared scared of all this. Yeah. Okay. And, by the
way, this deconstruction, of something that the media is
putting front and center is what makes people yell on Twitter
that we are Trump apologists. Yeah, yeah. Just saying. I mean,
you can
John C. Dvorak: also yell at on apparently on mastodon.
Adam Curry: He's only got you though. I wonder what's Mary
Trump
John C. Dvorak: for this would be okay. We'll finish with this.
The gender
Unknown: divide in my family was stark, even for the 40s and 50s.
She had very little to do with the boys. It was almost as if
the boys were my grandfather's purview, and the girls were
hers.
Adam Curry: How does she know this? Well, because I don't
know. I think
Unknown: from quite early on, I think Donald just didn't expect
much from her. New I think by the time he was sent to New York
Military Academy, that she wasn't going to stand up for
him. And after that very tragic year when she was quite ill and
inaccessible when he was only two and a half. I don't think
the rift was ever repaired. You
describe her as being more or less at her wit's end with
damage before he sent to the military academy. Yeah. How so?
She didn't listen.
Adam Curry: No. Okay. So she actually has nothing. Nothing.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Adam Curry: That is wrong. Wow. Then they are indeed at their
wit's end. If this is what they're rolling out. Better,
fine. Sounds better. Absolutely
John C. Dvorak: nothing. She has no idea. And then she she just
contradicted herself in that last segment where she says, Oh,
Fred had all the boys and Mary had all the girls right. Wait,
why is Why is Mary at her wit's end with Donald den?
Adam Curry: So dumb?
John C. Dvorak: She is just this is I don't know what the problem
is. But she does talk about she wasn't she was invited to the
White House. She was there in 2017. And she has some stories
to tell about that. And she's just I know she's not she's
never gonna get invited back. Of course, you never know what
Trump is. It this is a pathetic attempt to just slam Trump
against oh, by the way, she mentioned she was a massive
hillary supporter, big donor part of the 2016 campaign. Okay.
So she's a hill bot, and she was, you know, she was
disappointed at her, you know, her nephew or whatever. I don't
know how to rate these things with what you call him uncle.
One, because he was all in for Hillary. And so the whole thing
is sorted in it. This is just a pathetic and to pick this up.
That's why he's not getting as much play as you'd think.
Because yeah, she's showing up on MSNBC but just saying this, I
think this I think he didn't really know he was three, I
think he even housebroken, or whatever you call that
Adam Curry: everything in our book is here same as fantastic.
All right, well, that's one you don't need to buy unless you
want to get a twofer and there's a deal on this book and white
fragility it may be something worth doing. Yeah, I would say
coming up on no agenda stream grumpy old Ben's will be next
we've got end of show mixes from the Rolando Gonzalez or seed
sitter, who has been starting all over the show today and
Jesse coy Nelson always there. Jessie, this was something to
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John C. Dvorak: And from Northern Silicon Valley, we were
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Adam Curry: We'll try it again on Thursday remember us until
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Unknown: he wants me to take a vaccine towards me well I'm not
an animal in any kind of so I think I take a pass
John C. Dvorak: it is a bit bizarre I don't really fully
understand it.
Unknown: Maybe I would do it if I get your encounters short
trousers and Japanese first then check on him in a year and a
half just see how he's doing Bill Gates says we will get back
to normal vaccine was no normal anyway. So keep that to
yourself. I can pull his pants down and jump into a scrawny
little class and check on him in a year and a half just to see
how he's doing I still wouldn't take a vaccine myself but it
would sure make me smile
I wouldn't say get angry but I'm really impatient that we're not
moving as fast as I'd like
John C. Dvorak: it sounds to me like he's saying
Adam Curry: boy that's what I heard in the clip I heard you're
saying we're hearing boy girl later yeah oh here we go. This
is gonna be fun it's gonna go viral finally exit strategy
we're going to talk to run game on the same on the run game on
Leaguer book stop Do you want to get sued because you like me or
your or your people?
John C. Dvorak: Again, just because that the fifth one is
the one that I want you to concentrate. On keep on coming
Adam Curry: back to weak, weaker people.
John C. Dvorak: Once I gotcha okay now the sixth one she says
all your people batch a booklet now I want you to put in your
mind that she's going to say, and I'm wiegers Quaker or
leaguer? oinker Uyghur, can you your brain did you hear I want
everyone Uyghur weegar book. Wow. Oh, that's a good trick.
Unknown: Would you let your kids go back to school? I will my
kids are looking forward to it. Absolutely. It's so dire at this
point where we've had to actually separate parts of our
hospitals. So we have two emergency rooms inasmuch as I
can. Without hesitation, yes. Those are they're very, very
critical issues that people come to emergency room for. And then
we have a separate emergency room strictly for COVID. I have
no concerns about sending my child to school in the fall. I
wasn't very serious. And we have to make sure
to argue with you. But you can't test closely if unless you've
already made a contact.
Everybody's a little nervous. But the vast majority wants to
get back into school. And the majority
Adam Curry: cannot trust the government and the media
anymore.
Unknown: One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in the
debate over reopening nation's schools, the expenses involved,
okay.
We know
that even an n95 mask has tremendous limitations.
Young people in this country are seeing
bars, restaurants and the young made their way into the
crosshairs of governors of southern states. Virus is
surging. This is not a moment for excuses or deflection by
gang, every single one of you for crimes against humanity. If
possible, it's going to get worse and worse and worse. MoPhO
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