1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,500 John C. Dvorak: You're hurting me. 2 00:00:01,830 --> 00:00:03,990 Unknown: Adam curry John C Dvorak, 3 00:00:04,169 --> 00:00:07,019 Adam Curry: Sunday, June 16 2019. This is your award 4 00:00:07,019 --> 00:00:10,769 winning keep on nation media assassination episode 1147 5 00:00:11,130 --> 00:00:12,450 Unknown: is no agenda, 6 00:00:13,230 --> 00:00:15,840 Adam Curry: spelunking. The echo chambers of media and 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,080 broadcasting live from the Titanic hotel in Belfast, home 8 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:22,410 to conspiracy theories since 1912. In the morning, everybody, 9 00:00:22,590 --> 00:00:23,430 I'm Adam curry 10 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,760 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where 11 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,150 I'm still waiting in line at Target, I'm John C Dvorak 12 00:00:30,570 --> 00:00:31,500 Unknown: and buzzkill 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,780 Adam Curry: Boom shakalaka Hey, John, glitch oh don't eat Don't 14 00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:44,700 even start with that. I do now many people will email me and 15 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:50,580 tweet me when something like that. Oh, and I have the clip 16 00:00:50,580 --> 00:00:50,940 here. 17 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:55,050 Unknown: Trouble at Target today register to set stores worldwide 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,110 were down due to a technical glitch. The glitch prevented 19 00:00:58,110 --> 00:01:00,720 cashiers from scanning merchandise causing massive 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,290 lines and it stores worldwide frustrating shoppers. The 21 00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:06,990 company closed some stores rather than risk further 22 00:01:06,990 --> 00:01:10,620 aggravating people. Target says the outage lasted about two 23 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:14,040 hours and blamed the problem on a quote internal technology 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:14,580 issue. 25 00:01:14,910 --> 00:01:18,540 We were just shopping around and there was an overhead and all 26 00:01:18,540 --> 00:01:21,390 the systems were down in target they were gonna nobody can buy 27 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:22,650 anything. So they're gonna close the 28 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:25,920 store. Target says the glitch was not a data breach. 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,650 information was compromised it was 30 00:01:28,650 --> 00:01:31,230 Adam Curry: a double glitch. Not just one glitch at the beginning 31 00:01:31,230 --> 00:01:34,290 but two glitches in the report completely unacceptable 32 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:38,940 reporting we'll just seconder Professor we we fixed the glitch 33 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:45,180 is oh lame AP Associated Press lead lead lead off their 34 00:01:45,210 --> 00:01:48,480 reporting of this with a glitch that's the first two words in 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,110 their reporting. I'd like to know what actually happened 36 00:01:52,140 --> 00:01:54,360 Target has had a lot of issues with 37 00:01:54,420 --> 00:01:57,840 John C. Dvorak: their systems got a huge IT problem. And it 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,690 doesn't make sense that the whole system would go down 39 00:02:00,690 --> 00:02:04,470 doesn't have like local backups or any way of doing anything. 40 00:02:05,550 --> 00:02:08,610 Adam Curry: Crazy. It makes sense to you crazy idea. Could 41 00:02:08,610 --> 00:02:13,590 anyone pay with cash? Yeah, I get I don't think so. I don't 42 00:02:13,590 --> 00:02:14,040 think they were 43 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,630 John C. Dvorak: you did I don't have a little you'd write it up? 44 00:02:18,660 --> 00:02:20,220 Adam Curry: I don't think so. 45 00:02:20,220 --> 00:02:22,290 John C. Dvorak: I don't think so. Using a pen you know pen on 46 00:02:22,290 --> 00:02:25,920 a piece of paper. Oh, no, no, I don't think so. Calculator. 47 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,190 Adam Curry: People have no idea tire world. 48 00:02:29,579 --> 00:02:34,169 John C. Dvorak: Target is closed just on a banker's holiday kind 49 00:02:34,169 --> 00:02:34,469 of thing. 50 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:37,830 Adam Curry: It is people have it's cute now and it's still 51 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:41,160 cute when you call it a glitch and oh, well, we didn't know 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,440 what to do. We were just wandering around for two hours. 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,070 We couldn't buy anything. Wait until something really good 54 00:02:47,070 --> 00:02:51,300 happens. And then people will be like, Well, what is this is the 55 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:54,090 word glitch lien mumbled or something more, we should look 56 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:57,870 at the interesting Jeopardy episode the other day. 57 00:02:57,990 --> 00:03:01,500 Unknown: The category for final today is word history players. 58 00:03:01,530 --> 00:03:07,260 Here's your clue. This word for a bug or malfunction was 59 00:03:07,260 --> 00:03:12,300 popularized in the 1962 book into orbit by the Mercury 60 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:14,550 astronauts. 30 seconds. Good 61 00:03:14,549 --> 00:03:16,439 Adam Curry: luck. Oh my goodness. What could it be? Let 62 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:20,219 me think for a second a bug mercury. So I don't know. Let's 63 00:03:20,219 --> 00:03:22,079 go to the answers. Ally. Please let me know. 64 00:03:22,830 --> 00:03:25,470 Unknown: Jim, you're smiling. Why is that you couldn't come up 65 00:03:25,470 --> 00:03:32,160 with anything. So what did you write down? What is FUBAR? Okay, 66 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:38,250 it's 4200 that drops you down to 6600. Let's go to the middle 67 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:42,510 now. Adrian Griffin. She had 12,700. Her response was the 68 00:03:42,510 --> 00:03:46,140 correct one. What is a glitch? John Glenn came up with that 69 00:03:46,140 --> 00:03:49,080 word and you almost double your score. Oh, 70 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:49,950 Adam Curry: wonderful. 71 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,420 John C. Dvorak: John Glenn. Yes. He 72 00:03:54,420 --> 00:03:57,180 Adam Curry: used to blame. He's to blame. I realize that. 73 00:03:57,690 --> 00:04:00,390 John C. Dvorak: I don't. I'm wondering if it's true. 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,850 Adam Curry: Oh, you questioned the Jeopardy? 75 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:06,900 John C. Dvorak: Yes, I do at this point. Oh, my goodness. I 76 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:09,810 don't question the way they phrased that. That. The way they 77 00:04:09,810 --> 00:04:13,710 phrased that answer our question, do you have to ask it 78 00:04:13,710 --> 00:04:17,970 as a brother, whatever. It may be fine, but I'm not sure the 79 00:04:17,970 --> 00:04:21,390 genesis of the word glitch comes from somebody just making it up 80 00:04:21,390 --> 00:04:26,220 out of the blue. Oh, that's I don't know. I will dig into 81 00:04:26,220 --> 00:04:28,620 Adam Curry: but regardless, regardless when it comes to 82 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:33,030 reporting to news, this is just not in today's world. This is no 83 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:36,720 longer acceptable as news reporting you need to give they 84 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,510 could have at least said it was the point of sale system it was 85 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:43,170 they could have given us some information. It's just a glitch. 86 00:04:43,170 --> 00:04:47,460 And then Ah, whatever. And these glitches they're going to ruin 87 00:04:47,460 --> 00:04:48,030 your life because 88 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:51,000 John C. Dvorak: we've got too many glitches and and this 89 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,870 situation with target and the whole world wide. goes down. Do 90 00:04:57,870 --> 00:05:00,900 we have any IT guys I think we have a few guys Eight dudes 91 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:04,290 named Ben. Yeah, someone's gonna maybe help us out here. So he's 92 00:05:04,290 --> 00:05:07,560 got to have some ideas. Somebody has to actually somebody in our 93 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,600 audience knows what happened. Yes. 94 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:12,180 Adam Curry: And they should be telling us they should be 95 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:16,200 sharing that information with us. Well, I've had a lot of 96 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:24,480 glitches in the past 48 hours, as we were in about two hours 97 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,070 from Belfast, two hours north, north north Northern Ireland, at 98 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:33,930 a wedding destination, the Belle Isle Castle, where we were a 99 00:05:33,930 --> 00:05:34,620 guests. 100 00:05:35,010 --> 00:05:36,990 John C. Dvorak: And was the castle that was having the 101 00:05:36,990 --> 00:05:38,610 wedding. Yes, the 102 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:40,680 Adam Curry: castle that was having the women moving into the 103 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,460 castle. No, it was the castle that had the wedding. Oh, and I 104 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:47,490 and we were supposed to be there for me to do the show today. And 105 00:05:47,490 --> 00:05:51,510 it would have been really cool. And of course, they, you know, 106 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:56,610 I, I did some scouting ahead and made sure I got multiple 107 00:05:56,610 --> 00:06:01,440 confirmations, the Wi Fi is outstanding. And indeed, the Wi 108 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,910 Fi was outstanding. The problem was the connection to the 109 00:06:05,910 --> 00:06:13,860 internet from the Wi Fi. Castle was just in like an no gozone 110 00:06:13,890 --> 00:06:17,610 They have there's no wired internet, they literally had an 111 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:23,100 antenna on the roof, getting the Wi Fi their internet signal. I 112 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:27,180 think it might have been Yeah, like some wi MAX type misled, a 113 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:28,230 little bit misled, 114 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:30,810 John C. Dvorak: that somebody says is the Wi Fi any good? 115 00:06:31,050 --> 00:06:34,890 Yeah, if the wife doesn't, we're not talking about the signal 116 00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:37,680 strength of the actual Wi Fi we're talking about is 117 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,890 connectivity to the internet. And that's the whole well as 118 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,270 Adam Curry: well. But it is a misnomer because you know, as 119 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:47,970 I'm troubleshooting this then you know Tina would look at her 120 00:06:48,750 --> 00:06:51,960 stuff. She said well, I got full I got full signal here. And of 121 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 course, you know, the Wi Fi was outstanding. They had a great Wi 122 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,050 Fi system with repeaters everywhere. You could walk all 123 00:06:58,050 --> 00:07:01,560 over the ground, you had Wi Fi, it just wouldn't it would drop 124 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,480 the connection to the internet. So we decided instead of staying 125 00:07:06,690 --> 00:07:12,810 the extra day, we got a crack of dawn and drove to Belfast and 126 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,220 and kind of just got the first hotel that I knew would because 127 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:21,870 it's a business center business area. And it's the Titanic hotel 128 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,030 in Belfast, which is where the Titanic was built. Ah. Oh, okay. 129 00:07:27,150 --> 00:07:30,360 Yeah, it's this is the were the White Star Shipping line. And 130 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,210 also of course, the was at the Olympia what was the ship that 131 00:07:33,210 --> 00:07:37,410 was act that actually sank? You know, the old switcheroo was 132 00:07:37,470 --> 00:07:38,430 with the Olympia. 133 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:43,050 John C. Dvorak: The Olympia was the hospital ship. The carbon 134 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:43,620 copy of 135 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:45,600 Adam Curry: the Yeah, the carbon copy the one that was supposed 136 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,470 to sing or whatever it was I I forget. I forget the complete 137 00:07:49,530 --> 00:07:50,640 conspiracy theory. 138 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,740 John C. Dvorak: I've never heard this. This. 139 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:56,190 Adam Curry: Oh, you've never heard this. Oh, no. Well, it's 140 00:07:56,190 --> 00:08:00,270 even better because this hotel is very modern. And there's an 141 00:08:00,270 --> 00:08:03,900 expo center as a whole business center. They still build 142 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:10,860 something here with ships. But what is is the pure attraction 143 00:08:11,190 --> 00:08:17,160 is the Titanic studios that are located right here. And do you 144 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,830 know what they shoot in the Titanic studios? 145 00:08:23,190 --> 00:08:24,000 John C. Dvorak: Newbies 146 00:08:24,060 --> 00:08:25,380 Adam Curry: Game of Thrones. 147 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,520 John C. Dvorak: Oh, okay. So there's this I would pack them 148 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:29,700 in? 149 00:08:29,730 --> 00:08:32,400 Adam Curry: Oh, my goodness. There's Game of Thrones, you 150 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,870 know, tours and then expert. Yeah, look at this. God, check 151 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:43,260 that out. It's only 140 pounds of what? So needless to say, we 152 00:08:43,260 --> 00:08:48,270 are not going to check out the the Game of Thrones Expo. But 153 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:51,360 the Wi Fi. The Wi Fi is great. And it connects to the internet. 154 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,340 So I'm very, very happy. Very happy. Sounds good? Yes. And 155 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,020 anyway, we did have a wonderful time was it was great. Up in the 156 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:05,580 island. It was nice to be in the fresh air. I do have to say a 157 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:11,400 couple of things about leaving London. Before we before we 158 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,720 left, was that Monday, I know what they are we now know 159 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:21,090 Friday. God wouldn't we get the show Thursday, Friday. Before we 160 00:09:21,090 --> 00:09:23,880 left, we did a little walk around. We had some time to 161 00:09:24,180 --> 00:09:27,000 basically to walk towards past Hyde Park up to Buckingham 162 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,350 Palace. And I was very excited to show Tina something that I 163 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:34,440 recall seeing when I was 15 years old when I went to London 164 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,860 for the first time with my dad. And that was Speaker's Corner. 165 00:09:39,750 --> 00:09:44,040 Okay, Speaker's Corner is empty. Yeah, there's no one there. No 166 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,700 one speaks anymore on Speaker's Corner. Here's what this is. 167 00:09:47,850 --> 00:09:51,150 It's like It's legendary. Isn't there supposed to be this 168 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:52,230 Speaker's Corner is 169 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:54,690 John C. Dvorak: the one it's not even a soapbox. It used to be 170 00:09:54,690 --> 00:09:55,560 there. Now. 171 00:09:55,590 --> 00:09:58,980 Adam Curry: Now it's kind of a monument and it explains that in 172 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:02,880 1100 something rather they used to do public hangings there, 173 00:10:02,910 --> 00:10:06,060 which just a small step from a public hanging to free speech, 174 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:10,560 it's about the same. And this became the place where you could 175 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:15,210 exercise free speech. And I think it's still the only place 176 00:10:15,210 --> 00:10:19,200 in the UK where you actually can exercise 100% free speech, 177 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,020 because they don't have a constitution where this is 178 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:28,440 protected. As far as I know, they have Magna Carta, but it's 179 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,680 not explicitly spelled out that the government cannot make any 180 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:34,500 rules against the freedom of speech or freedom of the press, 181 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:39,630 which is what we have in the United States. So yeah, and 182 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:42,420 people just given up. They don't even go there anymore. 183 00:10:43,290 --> 00:10:45,630 John C. Dvorak: You went, you took her over there. Yeah. 184 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,180 Adam Curry: I wanted to look the Speaker's Corner so 185 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,750 John C. Dvorak: deep. Some people show up for their well, 186 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:56,940 Adam Curry: and it was disappointing. What was 187 00:10:56,940 --> 00:11:01,620 fantastic, is we took a cab back from the London Eye to go get 188 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:02,490 our suitcases 189 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:06,960 John C. Dvorak: didn't go into London. It was sure did an hour. 190 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:10,800 What do you mean an hour? Isn't an hour to go around that thing? 191 00:11:10,830 --> 00:11:14,670 Adam Curry: No, it's like 20 minutes. 25 minutes? No, this is 192 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:18,450 a nice photo op teen has never been to London so it's perfect. 193 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,520 Photo, view the city, although there's new buildings like the 194 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,080 shard it's just that this is the tall building. It looks like 195 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,620 glass shards. That's no escaping the gherkin. 196 00:11:34,740 --> 00:11:36,420 John C. Dvorak: was called the gherkin. Yeah, the Gherkin 197 00:11:36,420 --> 00:11:38,850 Adam Curry: was behind is behind it. You can't see the Gherkin is 198 00:11:38,850 --> 00:11:41,190 John C. Dvorak: a shame that should have blocked the building 199 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:42,000 of the new building. 200 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,130 Adam Curry: So we went to we took a cab back and of course, 201 00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:46,560 I'm not going to take any Ubers while I'm in London, you take a 202 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:50,550 proper British cab. And if you've never been in a British 203 00:11:50,550 --> 00:11:53,430 cab, it's it's it's an interesting experience. Because 204 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:57,000 the cabbie sits up front here, obviously, he's kind of 205 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,630 isolated, but he has an intercom system. And there's lights 206 00:12:00,630 --> 00:12:03,570 everywhere it says, Oh, and this red light is on then the cabbie 207 00:12:03,570 --> 00:12:07,200 can hear you and then he can speak back to you. And, you 208 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,840 know, he had his windows were open out and it was difficult 209 00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:15,510 hearing him cuz it's just so it's like a kind of a no, but 210 00:12:15,540 --> 00:12:20,010 there was a telegraph gag, but there was a telecoil logo in the 211 00:12:20,010 --> 00:12:23,820 cab and I've never used this. So I switched my hearing aids to 212 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:28,440 telecoil, which is this induction based system, where 213 00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:33,360 just a wire in the cab will beam the audio into the hearing aids 214 00:12:33,390 --> 00:12:37,590 and it worked really well. It was it was like magical. Like, 215 00:12:37,620 --> 00:12:40,680 oh, all of a sudden the guy's broadcasting right into my head. 216 00:12:42,270 --> 00:12:46,140 Hmm, yeah, it's really and now it's like movie theaters. I'm 217 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,600 I'm switching that man in an elevator. Oh, telecoil let me 218 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,110 turn it off. 219 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:52,920 John C. Dvorak: I've never heard it this. Oh, well. 220 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:56,670 Adam Curry: You've seen the logos you'll see him on ATM. 221 00:12:56,670 --> 00:12:59,460 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, but I paid zero attention obviously. Yeah, 222 00:12:59,460 --> 00:12:59,970 it's 223 00:12:59,970 --> 00:13:03,630 Adam Curry: a it's a loop system induction loop. 224 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:04,890 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I know how to. 225 00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:08,070 Adam Curry: Not everybody knows how it works. 226 00:13:08,190 --> 00:13:10,620 John C. Dvorak: I'm kind of surprised that these exist. 227 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:11,820 Well, they 228 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:14,610 Adam Curry: exist everywhere. Now. Now now that I've noticed 229 00:13:14,610 --> 00:13:18,900 one like, oh, this stuff is showing up everywhere. But it 230 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:22,260 works really well which was the surprising part like this will 231 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:25,590 never work. But yeah, sure, sure enough and that you if you move 232 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:27,840 your head a little forward, then it would fade out you know, you 233 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,080 have to kind of be in the right spot, but they worked was nice. 234 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:35,520 Which was a good feeling for what came next which was the 235 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:41,460 Gitmo nation trip through easy jets. backdrop and boarding 236 00:13:41,460 --> 00:13:48,030 system. Holy crap, it's gotten really bad. I shall explain. Now 237 00:13:48,030 --> 00:13:51,780 easy jet is is I love EasyJet I've always liked it. I've 238 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:55,260 always liked their prices. I like I don't know if Stavos 239 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:57,960 where the guy's name is if the Greek guy if he still owns it, 240 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,810 runs it, whatever. But I've always liked their vibe. Kind of 241 00:14:00,810 --> 00:14:04,110 like Southwest which I also like although you can reserve your 242 00:14:04,140 --> 00:14:09,570 your seats. But you can no longer check in at the airport 243 00:14:09,570 --> 00:14:12,090 you have to check in online, which is for me was problem 244 00:14:12,090 --> 00:14:15,630 number one, because the way they asked you to do this is to 245 00:14:15,630 --> 00:14:19,890 download their app on your smartphone. No, I don't have an 246 00:14:19,890 --> 00:14:23,850 app and I don't have a smartphone. So the next thing 247 00:14:23,850 --> 00:14:27,720 you can do is you can print it out and take it with you which 248 00:14:28,230 --> 00:14:31,920 in a hotel involves because the hotels don't seem to have 249 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,640 printers anymore, or business centers you have to email it to 250 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,090 the front desk notice this too. Why is this this is some this is 251 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,250 not a good development in my opinion. 252 00:14:42,210 --> 00:14:44,520 John C. Dvorak: I don't know why. I mean maybe people have 253 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:49,680 been abusing it or they've been wrecking the good year or I'm 254 00:14:49,770 --> 00:14:52,860 kind of baffled by it myself. And that I mean some hotels 255 00:14:52,890 --> 00:14:55,590 obviously still do. I'm not everybody's bailout. But I think 256 00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:57,990 people just don't have like, oh, there's a computer over there 257 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:59,970 and then you go over there doesn't work. 258 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,400 Adam Curry: All right. I think that people don't have 259 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,010 requirements for printing anything anymore. Everything's 260 00:15:05,010 --> 00:15:08,310 digital. Just wait until the glitches start to happen people 261 00:15:08,730 --> 00:15:09,240 all right 262 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,230 John C. Dvorak: there yet this is good point paperless this 263 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:16,260 before, you know what, there'll be no toilet, people flashing 264 00:15:16,260 --> 00:15:18,540 their phones, they put the little boarding pass on their 265 00:15:18,540 --> 00:15:22,110 phone and they go underneath the light and it seems to work a lot 266 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:26,190 did it doesn't work for some people and I find it to be 267 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:28,530 risky. Well, personally 268 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:32,040 Adam Curry: Well, so here's the process. So had it printed out. 269 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:36,900 And by the way, you know, Tina has has her her iPhone with her 270 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:40,470 which she needs for for work purposes, but she refuses to 271 00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:45,240 download any app from some some outfit and put the EasyJet app 272 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,880 on your phone the apps that the is where all the spying takes 273 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,350 place. So print out the boarding passes, and then we go to 274 00:15:52,350 --> 00:15:57,090 EasyJet. EasyJet has a new system where you drop your bag, 275 00:15:57,300 --> 00:16:00,870 but you can't just drop your bag. Oh, no, you need to put 276 00:16:00,870 --> 00:16:05,730 your passport in first. So it can scan your passport, then you 277 00:16:05,730 --> 00:16:11,610 put the bags on, then it says look here scans your face. So 278 00:16:11,610 --> 00:16:14,400 now he's made the connection between your passport official 279 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,780 document photo and your face. So thank you very much. Now you're 280 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:26,970 in the system. And then you go to the boarding gates, you go 281 00:16:26,970 --> 00:16:30,270 through the security, which I have to say security was 282 00:16:30,270 --> 00:16:33,720 reasonably easy or at least pleasant. So they had to open up 283 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,350 all my bags as usual because, you know, hey, looks like that 284 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:38,850 guy's got a vibrator in there. 285 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,010 John C. Dvorak: Let's get it's embarrassing. 286 00:16:41,550 --> 00:16:46,560 Adam Curry: It's always the microphone. And then you go to 287 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:54,150 your gate. There's no more gate check in, there's no person. You 288 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:57,540 go through another scanner where you scan your boarding card, 289 00:16:57,540 --> 00:17:00,930 your boarding pass or my printed boarding pass in this case. And 290 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:05,370 again, it has to identify that you're the one and it takes 291 00:17:05,370 --> 00:17:09,840 another picture of you fit another facial recognition shot 292 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,790 and then you just walk onto the plane. So now my face my you 293 00:17:14,790 --> 00:17:20,730 know connected to my passport is in the system. And no one asked 294 00:17:20,730 --> 00:17:23,850 me that there's no disclaimer, there's no Hey, just just so you 295 00:17:23,850 --> 00:17:27,330 know, here's we're gonna use terms and conditions. None of 296 00:17:27,330 --> 00:17:27,840 that. 297 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,620 John C. Dvorak: Did you think of making a goofy face? Yeah. 298 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:33,990 Adam Curry: And you know, at first I had my glasses on, and 299 00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:36,960 then it wouldn't do anything. It just sat there. And this the way 300 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,200 the camera works, it's on it's on a pole, and it will 301 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,250 automatically slide up to your eye height. And it's an flashes 302 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:47,490 like Look here look here slave look here. And then it says look 303 00:17:47,490 --> 00:17:50,610 again, keep looking. And nothing's happening. And some 304 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,020 you know, someone apparently minding the process as Take off 305 00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:59,160 your glasses. You take your glasses off and then then it 306 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,100 finally figured out who I was. Now if you can make you can make 307 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:05,220 all the stupid faces you want but it won't connect you to the 308 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:08,940 what it has in its system, which is based on your passport photo. 309 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:14,160 John C. Dvorak: So it's like well, this is a lousy system. 310 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,520 I've gone through these systems and if you're wearing glasses, 311 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,080 it shouldn't make a difference. 312 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,390 Adam Curry: No doesn't work at all. 313 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,470 John C. Dvorak: That's that's a cheap ass system you're using 314 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:35,970 Adam Curry: so I look this up and this is from the UK this 315 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:39,690 implementation. Let me see here's Gatwick Airport and 316 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:44,400 EasyJet. This is from Mays was a year ago launched biometric 317 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,840 technology trial. And Gatwick Airport has launched an end to 318 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,050 end biometrics trial where personal data collected at the 319 00:18:52,050 --> 00:18:55,560 airports self service backdrops will be recognized by new 320 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,580 automated self boarding gates that technology aims to simplify 321 00:18:59,580 --> 00:19:02,940 and speed up the process for passengers and reduce the risk 322 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:07,770 of human error and again there's no real you know, where's my 323 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,130 where's my general data protection rules and you know, 324 00:19:11,130 --> 00:19:14,220 where do I get to opt in where do I get the say I agree to this 325 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:20,910 egregious egregious process. Yeah, and so if this is now how 326 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:27,420 they are going to help you travel help you travel wait for 327 00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:30,360 the glitch, bitch yeah, the wait for the glitch bitch 328 00:19:30,389 --> 00:19:32,069 John C. Dvorak: all of target down world 329 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:35,340 Adam Curry: was gonna screw up your travel like no one else's 330 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:38,880 business. It won't take much. Especially with 331 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,300 John C. Dvorak: a little camera at the end before the gate. 332 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:46,350 Yeah. So you put you're standing there. This is Cameron a first 333 00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:50,550 year in the queue, you're in the queue. Here's a cue cue. But the 334 00:19:50,550 --> 00:19:54,240 cameras do first thing goes and looks at and then they go in now 335 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:54,630 you walk 336 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:57,420 Adam Curry: no, you walk. No, no, no, you walk up to the 337 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,440 there's like a gate. You know like get like a sheep before you 338 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,900 get the probe in your neck to the slaughter gate. The Yeah. So 339 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:10,710 then first you have to put your boarding pass or your phone, I 340 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,950 guess. But I had the printed boarding pass on the scanner, 341 00:20:14,190 --> 00:20:17,790 and then it goes, Okay, this is who this has to be. And then the 342 00:20:17,790 --> 00:20:21,060 camera directs you to look at it. And then it makes the 343 00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:24,780 connection that you were the guy who dropped the bag off under 344 00:20:24,780 --> 00:20:29,130 this boarding pass and you are the guy who dropped the bag off 345 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:31,620 who is this person on your passport? 346 00:20:32,910 --> 00:20:35,100 John C. Dvorak: Which is and then what? 347 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,800 Adam Curry: And then it opens and then you can get on? Oh, 348 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,890 there's something that opens? Oh, yeah, it's just like, you 349 00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:44,430 just can't you barely know you know, the tube. Where you get 350 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:46,770 off the tube. This is another thing people may not know if you 351 00:20:46,770 --> 00:20:50,700 travel by train in the United Kingdom, and you buy your 352 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:54,420 ticket. Don't discard the ticket after it's been checked on the 353 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:58,590 train. This is a mistake. This is a travel tip. People do this 354 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:03,750 often. Because in in most normal countries by Okay, I'm done. I 355 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:07,110 got a check. And you just don't you forget about it. You cannot 356 00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:09,900 get out of the train station. There's turnstiles that will 357 00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:14,730 prohibit you from leaving unless you insert your ticket which you 358 00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:17,490 just use for your trip then it will let you out. 359 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:21,000 John C. Dvorak: Yes, like Bart, 360 00:21:21,629 --> 00:21:22,589 Adam Curry: does Bart have that? 361 00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:25,290 John C. Dvorak: Wow. Okay. You have to Yeah, but you could 362 00:21:25,290 --> 00:21:27,720 check in with the thing and then you check out with the thing. 363 00:21:28,709 --> 00:21:31,169 Adam Curry: Right and I understand when people are 364 00:21:31,169 --> 00:21:34,439 checking in checking out with their with a pass like an easy 365 00:21:34,529 --> 00:21:39,629 rail pass that is touched to identify this is a paper a paper 366 00:21:39,629 --> 00:21:40,109 ticket. 367 00:21:40,139 --> 00:21:43,709 John C. Dvorak: Yes. Same with the original Bart a little paper 368 00:21:43,709 --> 00:21:44,459 thing and go in. 369 00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:47,880 Adam Curry: So the same, the same type of slaughter gate is 370 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,600 what you have to go to the airplane it will not open until 371 00:21:51,630 --> 00:21:55,710 it's approved you until it's approved. Yo. It just really 372 00:21:55,710 --> 00:22:00,150 irked me it really pissed me off. Did not like this at all. 373 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:03,990 John C. Dvorak: Well, it's not gonna get any better. So you're 374 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:07,560 going to just get more and more irked? Yes, no, 375 00:22:07,650 --> 00:22:09,960 Adam Curry: I just find that. And I'm sure that you know, this 376 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,750 is what the TSA is talking about. But it's the airline 377 00:22:12,750 --> 00:22:15,990 that's doing this. That's the part. This is a commercial 378 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:20,580 company who now has all my biometrics or certainly some 379 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:26,370 biometrics. Yeah, what I don't like it. And nowhere do I see it 380 00:22:26,370 --> 00:22:28,800 and oh, don't worry, we'll take care of it. Could they could get 381 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,600 hacked to hack my face. 382 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,150 John C. Dvorak: Well, let's see. You could do next step, of 383 00:22:36,150 --> 00:22:38,400 course will be your Have you had to put your palm down in this 384 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,430 scan your hand. Oh, yeah. Well, in addition to your 385 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:43,650 Adam Curry: before, before we get to the actual game class, 386 00:22:43,650 --> 00:22:46,410 your face before we get to know before we get to the the chip 387 00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:51,780 implant, we have to do the palm. Yeah. That's the next could hack 388 00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:54,570 John C. Dvorak: your face and to be some phony baloney out there 389 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:59,790 this potent, you know, somehow the, I think you could pry it 390 00:22:59,790 --> 00:23:03,930 seems to me, there are there are a finite point number of points 391 00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:07,800 that are checked on the face when they do the face facial 392 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,090 recognition software, and there's probably a way of 393 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:17,910 gobbing somebody up was with paint and pieces of clay and, 394 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:20,760 and whatever, you get the exact same number. 395 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,840 Adam Curry: Well, don't you think? No, no, no, no, I think I 396 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,600 think facial recognition is pretty advanced. And I think 397 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,360 that I think these guys have got it down. And that 398 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:31,410 John C. Dvorak: you can check it. 399 00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:34,260 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, how long is it going to last is giving 400 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:39,060 that up? Here's my point. In the past week, we've heard about 401 00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:44,460 multiple airlines grounding their flights because their that 402 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:48,060 transponder systems were not working. They could not acquire 403 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:52,920 a GPS signal. What had happened is aircraft outfitted with 404 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:58,860 Collins ADSB navigation and transponder equipment received 405 00:23:58,860 --> 00:24:02,910 an over the air update which bricked their what didn't break 406 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:07,530 it, but broke their system date. Yeah. So So that's just one 407 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:13,320 example of a glitch reported as such a glitch that that ruined 408 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,760 people's air travel, then you have Target, Target glitch 409 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:21,630 ruined your purchasing process. Just wait until something 410 00:24:21,630 --> 00:24:24,690 happens to the facial recognition database at your 411 00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:27,600 favorite airline. These things will stack up it's going to be 412 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,170 like dominoes. I can't understand why people don't see 413 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:35,670 that this is just prone for badness, bad, bad, bad 414 00:24:35,670 --> 00:24:36,690 experience. It 415 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:39,750 John C. Dvorak: doesn't take a genius to figure that out. But I 416 00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:43,800 think the big glitch, the major glitch, the Whopper is going to 417 00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:48,240 supersede everything you said and that is the automated update 418 00:24:48,270 --> 00:24:52,260 of Windows Windows. Yeah, that brings down 419 00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:54,840 Adam Curry: everything that's the mother lode that's the one 420 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,390 we've been waiting for. Of course, it's gonna happen. 421 00:24:57,570 --> 00:25:01,050 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course. When I remember when 422 00:25:01,050 --> 00:25:05,640 this began, just as little story here, all right. This was during 423 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,130 the era of MSN when Microsoft decided to compete with AOL. And 424 00:25:11,130 --> 00:25:14,490 they came with their product. MSN was very slowly deteriorated 425 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:16,680 and all sorts of things. It wasn't supposed to be supposed 426 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,220 to be an AOL clone. But it was poorly done and poorly 427 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:23,100 implemented. And no, but not well thought out. It was dumb in 428 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:28,530 every way. But Microsoft was hoping to they were, they kept 429 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:33,390 watching how AOL did these automatic updates. Because AOL 430 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:36,180 would do that. They were just all of a sudden they just update 431 00:25:36,210 --> 00:25:38,580 and they would, you'd had no control over this. You couldn't 432 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:40,920 stop it. You couldn't wait. You couldn't see. I'll do it 433 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,210 tomorrow. You couldn't do it? Right. 434 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,820 Adam Curry: Right, right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I remember 435 00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:47,700 that. Yeah, it would take hours sometimes, especially if you 436 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,590 hadn't if you hadn't logged on in a while. 437 00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:52,770 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, Mike looked at this and said, you 438 00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:56,220 know, our life would be so much easier when it's supported if we 439 00:25:56,250 --> 00:26:00,660 everybody was on the exact same version. So if we could do what 440 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:04,140 AOL does, and they were always jealous of AOL. And they've been 441 00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:07,860 trying to get to that point where they could do a deep dive. 442 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:11,910 And they just thought it was a means to an end, right to do 443 00:26:11,910 --> 00:26:14,700 these automatic updates. And they do them kind of now, but 444 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:17,970 they kind of spread them out a little bit. And they used to be 445 00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:21,960 Patch Tuesday, which has now devolved into whatever the hell 446 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,050 it is. I don't even know what they're doing. But they want to 447 00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:27,420 do this. So one of these days, that's going to happen they're 448 00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:30,540 going to do they're going to have the be all end off 449 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:33,810 Microsoft patch. And it's gonna bring every 450 00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:36,720 Adam Curry: great country people Yeah, the world country, the 451 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,740 world world, the world, 452 00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:39,300 John C. Dvorak: the entire world will go down. 453 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:43,590 Adam Curry: Just along these lines, I happen to have two 454 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:48,270 clips from Amazon. And the first is with their chief technology 455 00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:51,450 officer who I know Verner fulfils because he's a Dutch 456 00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:55,800 guy, and he's a really nice guy. But here he is defending facial 457 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,330 recognition, their technology, which as we know, is being used 458 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:04,740 quite extensively in many of their products, their what's 459 00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:08,070 their their Alexa video thing? And of course, the ring 460 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:10,200 doorbell. And, but it's great, 461 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:12,690 I don't think we're pushing it. I think we're building we have 462 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:14,070 built a really great product. 463 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:17,040 And you know, I liked the guy, it's so hard for me not to make 464 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040 furniture for how he's speaking because it's just fucking funny 465 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,400 how he does that. But anyway, let's go on pushing it, 466 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,010 I think we're building we have built a really great product. 467 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:28,710 And it's up for our customers to start designing whether they 468 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:32,760 want to use the product or not. All of this comes down to how to 469 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,480 fine tune the model. Yeah, and if customers are actually having 470 00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:39,750 a particular data set, and really tune the model really 471 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:40,980 well can work with about, 472 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,310 Unknown: I think, somewhat look at the tuning of the technology, 473 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,470 as a part of the process that right now is hurting certain 474 00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:53,190 people's in individual rights. And if police forces are using 475 00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:57,030 your technology, and it's not fully ready as you yourself just 476 00:27:57,030 --> 00:28:00,930 destroyed. Is tuning the technology worth it? If that's 477 00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:02,610 what it means to people with real people 478 00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:06,120 Adam Curry: in the world. That's not my decision to make some 479 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,760 pips somebody might think it would be Amazon. No, I think 480 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:12,780 providing that we've got, I mean, let's say your storage 481 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:17,220 engine can be used by by for very good use can be used by by 482 00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:21,690 let's say bad actors equally, doesn't mean we should not be 483 00:28:21,690 --> 00:28:25,770 offering storage technology. Now, I mean, the fact that this 484 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:29,130 technology has been used for goods in many places, it's in 485 00:28:29,130 --> 00:28:34,050 society's direction to actually decide which technology is 486 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:38,250 applicable under which conditions and as such it's a 487 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:43,080 societal this dis discourse and decision and policymaking that 488 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,920 needs to happen there to decide where can you apply which tech 489 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:52,080 technologies if I think about the simple answer this if you 490 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,010 look at steel, very massive steel mills they build 491 00:28:56,010 --> 00:29:00,090 incubators very very young born babies get kept being healthy 492 00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:04,950 and we also make guns we steal a society we decide whether it's 493 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:07,050 acceptable use and what is not. 494 00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:11,190 And that's pretty much the responsibility that Silicon 495 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:14,250 Valley takes over what they create a society's problem not 496 00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:17,430 RST, we make steel. We just make steel. You can make a gun out of 497 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:21,930 it. Whenever you want. incubator. A fan reprehensible 498 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,410 is very cavalier is absolutely true. That's Cavalier, though 499 00:29:25,410 --> 00:29:29,340 it's Cavalier. Of course it is Cavalier when you're making 500 00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:32,670 John C. Dvorak: money hand over fist, yeah. Right. The Cavalier 501 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:33,450 and that's what you do 502 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,390 Adam Curry: speaking of your your architecture that couldn't 503 00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:39,930 survive a glitch Holy crap, famous on Web Services goes 504 00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:44,850 down. You're gonna kiss a lot. Goodbye. Quite a lot. 505 00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:49,740 John C. Dvorak: I believe that I'm, I believe, I don't know. I 506 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:51,210 believe you should 507 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:52,200 Adam Curry: say I do believe. 508 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:59,040 John C. Dvorak: I do believe that. I do believe that. That 509 00:29:59,070 --> 00:30:04,680 Amazon is was architected with a lot of redundancy that make it 510 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,860 almost impossible for the whole thing to go down. Sure, it 511 00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:11,370 caused this kind of problem, which is different than 512 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,480 Microsoft, breaking all the Windows machines out in the 513 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,420 world because nobody's, there's no, I don't have a redundant 514 00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:22,020 way, I have a couple of Windows machines. And I could easily 515 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:25,800 take, I could like, get one bricked and then take the other 516 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,340 ones offline. If I came to the realization what was going on, 517 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:33,000 which I probably wouldn't be dicking around trying to fix it. 518 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:37,530 And I could use the machines that while they were not go to 519 00:30:37,530 --> 00:30:42,090 the internet, but I don't see any way there's no redundancy 520 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:45,900 the way that a big central system would have or should have 521 00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:51,420 and I'm sure has some that I'm less concerned about AWS than I 522 00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:53,430 am about these windows updates. 523 00:30:53,909 --> 00:31:00,599 Adam Curry: Well, well, while I believe I do believe, I do 524 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,779 believe that government governments should be very 525 00:31:03,779 --> 00:31:08,189 involved with this technology and looking very closely at how 526 00:31:08,189 --> 00:31:11,579 it's being used and what the implications are. And perhaps 527 00:31:11,609 --> 00:31:14,999 Perhaps there's some things that should be legislated. I 528 00:31:14,999 --> 00:31:18,989 definitely am concerned about data theft theft of my face face 529 00:31:18,989 --> 00:31:25,679 theft. So when hacks if I could just steal my face and then use 530 00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,469 that everywhere you know, who knows we're just beginning with 531 00:31:28,469 --> 00:31:34,679 this. Now instead everyone's all jacked up and Jide about deep 532 00:31:34,679 --> 00:31:41,399 fakes and I need to really call out NPR and maybe I'm just maybe 533 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:47,849 it's just me like no it's not listen to this story. Now we 534 00:31:47,849 --> 00:31:53,819 have to government officials we got Warner calling for 535 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,469 legislation of deep fakes and I think Schiff is more 536 00:31:58,469 --> 00:32:02,399 interesting. And this is a report from NPR and listened 537 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:07,829 very carefully. This NPR still radio right? It's not it's not 538 00:32:07,829 --> 00:32:09,359 video is radio. 539 00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:13,500 John C. Dvorak: Yes. Still radio and it's never it's podcasting 540 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,860 and radio, which is repurposed radio. 541 00:32:16,889 --> 00:32:18,089 Adam Curry: Well listen to this story. 542 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,600 Unknown: What you will hear next was never actually said, it 543 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,620 looks like a Facebook office. It looks like Mark Zuckerberg 544 00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:29,160 giving an interview. It looks like his mouth is moving along 545 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,970 with the words. 546 00:32:30,179 --> 00:32:34,349 Imagine this for a second one man with total control of 547 00:32:34,349 --> 00:32:38,699 billions of people stolen data, all their secrets, their lives, 548 00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:39,749 their futures, 549 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,450 but that wasn't the founder of Facebook. Okay, 550 00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:46,440 Adam Curry: so the rest of the story I want to play. But I do 551 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,110 not understand how when you're listening to something you can 552 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:57,300 say that this sounds like Mark Zuckerberg, because it does not 553 00:32:57,330 --> 00:33:01,170 you played a deep fake the other day. And now that play that that 554 00:33:01,170 --> 00:33:02,160 exact one, 555 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:02,730 John C. Dvorak: right? So 556 00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:03,600 Adam Curry: let me play 557 00:33:03,629 --> 00:33:07,229 Unknown: Zuckerberg now at the same time. It's important not to 558 00:33:07,229 --> 00:33:10,799 lose sight of some of the more straightforward and and larger 559 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,039 ways that Facebook plays a role in elections. How 560 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:16,320 Adam Curry: the hell does that sound like this? 561 00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:19,830 Imagine this for a second one man with not 562 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:22,110 even the right inflection total control. 563 00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:24,180 John C. Dvorak: The elections are wrong. It's everything's 564 00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:27,810 wrong. There's a little I know what were the connection is, I 565 00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:28,650 think when you 566 00:33:28,650 --> 00:33:32,160 Adam Curry: see the video people goes, it's like when we look at 567 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,030 CSI, and we hear about about cineleisure. I know, but I want 568 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:36,930 to say it again. 569 00:33:37,889 --> 00:33:41,879 John C. Dvorak: But let me just say something, which is I think 570 00:33:41,879 --> 00:33:44,789 dig dig. There's a little gravelly aspect to His voice and 571 00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:45,959 I think they captured that 572 00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:48,450 Adam Curry: not even fucking close snarls, 573 00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:50,820 John C. Dvorak: but he'll just think it's not even in the same. 574 00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:51,960 No, it's not 575 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,170 Adam Curry: in the same league at all. When you see the video. 576 00:33:55,500 --> 00:34:00,060 Apparently NPR gets as stupid as everybody else. Oh, that must be 577 00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:03,780 Zuckerberg. It's not. There are voice actors who do a better job 578 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,530 than this. 579 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:07,770 John C. Dvorak: I would agree. Well, that's true. In fact, one 580 00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:10,980 of the Obama one that is floating around was actually 581 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:15,780 done by Peele, they the same? Yeah, sure, sure. He just did. 582 00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:18,180 He does a good impression of Obama. And he just they just 583 00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:21,270 made Obama's mouth move around a little differently, which was 584 00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:25,590 pretty poorly done. And he did voice and it sounded odd. 585 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:29,790 There's Obama. But that could be actually both of these could 586 00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:32,460 make if you went through one of those voice systems DAC, and one 587 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:33,870 of these reporters hasn't done this. 588 00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:37,410 Adam Curry: Thank you. Here's my point. As we deconstruct this, 589 00:34:37,470 --> 00:34:41,100 how is it possible that NPR does a minute and a half report and 590 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,280 replay the whole report that does that? No one thought to 591 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,960 listen to what Zuckerberg sounds like, because it's not him. And 592 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,440 this, oh my god, it's machine learning and all kinds of deep 593 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,730 fakes. It's amazing. I can't believe it's so realistic. It's 594 00:34:56,730 --> 00:35:00,750 not realistic. You can get this probably 100 100 people you 595 00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:04,080 could hire to do a better job for your deep fake. But now 596 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,680 somehow, this is illusion being created, which we need to 597 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,760 legislate clearly that machine learning can create deep fakes. 598 00:35:11,790 --> 00:35:13,170 Again, the real Zuckerberg, 599 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:16,860 Unknown: these effects operated much larger scales of 100 times, 600 00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:20,760 or 1000 times bigger than what we're discussing here today. And 601 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400 here's the deep fake thing along with the words. 602 00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:27,780 Imagine this for a second, one man with total control of 603 00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:31,440 billions of people's stolen data, all their secrets, their 604 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,060 lives, their futures. 605 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:36,510 Many of these dynamics were new in this election, and at a much 606 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:41,340 larger scale than had ever been seen before it history wasn't 607 00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:45,570 the founder of Facebook, it was instead a deep fake created by 608 00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:50,070 an artist in the UK and posted on Instagram. This technology is 609 00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:54,480 quickly becoming a national security concern. Oh shit. The 610 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,300 House Intelligence Committee held a hearing Thursday, warning 611 00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:57,960 of the threat 612 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,270 John C. Dvorak: was sufficient training data. These powerful 613 00:36:00,270 --> 00:36:03,480 deep fake generating algorithms can portray a real person doing 614 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,410 something they never did, or saying words they never uttered. 615 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,900 Unknown: That's Committee Chairman Adam Schiff. The 616 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,860 disaster scenarios are obvious. A deep fakes showing a 2020 617 00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:16,680 candidate inciting violence against an ethnic group, or 618 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,040 false audio of a military official giving orders to mass 619 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,090 troops at a border. 620 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,780 Adam Curry: How come no one ever said oh my goodness, a voice 621 00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:28,440 actor could do this. Oh, we need laws against acting. 622 00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:32,010 Unknown: There is no easy solution. Up until now, social 623 00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:35,730 media companies have a general legal immunity to content posted 624 00:36:35,730 --> 00:36:39,510 on their platform. But that may be changing to this question 625 00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:40,140 from Schiff 626 00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:42,930 is a time to do away with that immunity so that the platforms 627 00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:45,870 are required to maintain a certain standard of care. 628 00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:49,230 Any effort addressing the threat of deep fakes, their standard of 629 00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:51,600 care involves increasing dopamine. 630 00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:54,510 Adam Curry: Well, you'll hear you'll hear it, they've actually 631 00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:55,500 make an interesting point 632 00:36:55,530 --> 00:36:58,110 John C. Dvorak: without immunity so that the platform is required 633 00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:00,390 to maintain a certain standard of care. 634 00:37:00,450 --> 00:37:02,910 Unknown: Any effort addressing the threat of deep fakes 635 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:06,840 involves increasing public awareness. But even this poses a 636 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,680 problem. It's called the liars dividend. Here's Citron 637 00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:11,970 explaining what that is, 638 00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:15,270 once you get everyone all educated, then you have 639 00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:18,780 wrongdoers point to real video, genuine audio and video that 640 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:21,870 show them doing something illegal or wrong, right. And 641 00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:24,510 they get to say ads and deep fake pay no attention. 642 00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:28,560 These technologies are evolving rapidly to the point that almost 643 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,770 anyone can use it. Here's Lindsey Gorman, the fellow for 644 00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:34,560 emerging technologies at the Alliance for securing democracy, 645 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,060 what used to be something that was available only to 646 00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:43,920 sophisticated machine learning is now becoming available to the 647 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,420 general public. So 648 00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:48,450 as the witnesses to Thursday's committee hearing a test, it may 649 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,320 only be a matter of time until deep fakes affect our politics 650 00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:53,670 and our national security. 651 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,950 Adam Curry: I mean, it's just so it's so ludicrous. And that NPR 652 00:37:58,950 --> 00:38:05,040 and audio programming outfit, says, Oh, my goodness, that's 653 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,390 just like Zuckerberg, can't you hear it? I mean, how 654 00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:12,150 John C. Dvorak: here's another these guy I don't understand if 655 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:14,670 you're going to do a long report like this and look into this and 656 00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:18,240 be especially if you're going to be panicky and hand wringing and 657 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,920 sounding like an old woman of why you don't bring it aren't 658 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,120 journalists? I'm asking you I should I can answer this. Why 659 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,160 aren't journalists doing what you're supposed to do which is 660 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,390 have competing opinions here's the yes the no and the maybe, 661 00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:37,530 and had bringing bring out the guy who's a voice Graham guy or 662 00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:40,080 guy can run it through a machine and say this is clearly not 663 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,660 Zuckerberg voice. Problem solved. 664 00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:47,430 Adam Curry: We noticed that video had taken over people's 665 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:51,480 brains many years ago. We used it we don't do it anymore. I 666 00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:55,050 just have just grabbed one a 22nd clip. We used to play clips 667 00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:59,640 called bad acting clips. We take you John in particular, you take 668 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,260 a clip from a television show CSI as an example. And you just 669 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:08,010 listen to the audio and then you hear how bad the acting is. I 670 00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:08,910 can't you just love her. 671 00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:10,860 Unknown: She's so easy to love. 672 00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:16,980 You know nothing about my daughter. You hear me? Nothing. 673 00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:21,630 I know that she is good and strong. And deserves all the 674 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:24,330 love this world has to give. Can't you see that? 675 00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:26,820 Adam Curry: Sounds so believable. I mean, that is 676 00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:30,360 totally great. That's Emmy award winning shit right there ladies 677 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:39,060 and gentlemen. People are losing the ability to hear and anyway, 678 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:45,810 Warner Senator right Senator Warner yeah believes he ties 679 00:39:45,810 --> 00:39:50,220 this deep fake thing into PA we need to legislate because this 680 00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:52,620 is about legislating. Now they're only saying social 681 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:55,050 media. I have no idea where you probably would want to think 682 00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:59,460 about legislating the technology but okay, and I guess social 683 00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:03,180 media If they want to take away this section 203 they're doing 684 00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:07,200 in their very stupid way. And this is, 685 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:11,190 Unknown: well, you'll hear at Trump in 2016. He may have been 686 00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:14,430 a naive candidate, and but he welcomed Russia, that they've 687 00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:17,460 got dirt on Clinton lay it out? Well, you would have thought 688 00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:19,710 after two and a half years in office, he would have learned 689 00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:23,430 that that's not appropriate behavior. That is, this man has 690 00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:27,690 so little moral center, that he doesn't understand taking help 691 00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:31,830 from a foreign government is wrong, then we need to put in 692 00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:36,090 place a law that would say, if a foreign government tries to 693 00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:38,640 intervene in the election in a presidential campaign, the 694 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,640 campaign has an affirmative obligation to report that to the 695 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,810 FBI, there's been lots of concern voiced by a lot of my 696 00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:49,080 Republican partners that they know our election system is not 697 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,010 safe in 2020. And I think the least we should do is put this 698 00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:56,130 law in place that will say, you've got to report to the FBI 699 00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:59,010 if we've got foreign agents intervening. Secondly, let's 700 00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:02,160 pass on election security law to make sure there's a paper trail 701 00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:06,180 after every vote, so people have belief in the integrity of their 702 00:41:06,180 --> 00:41:09,210 vote. And third, let's go ahead and put some guardrails around 703 00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:11,970 some of these social media companies. So you cannot use 704 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:15,720 deep fake technology, or create fake personas, the way the 705 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,790 Russians did on Facebook in 2016. 706 00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:21,660 Adam Curry: What what the Russians use deep fakes all of a 707 00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:22,020 sudden, 708 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,750 John C. Dvorak: Holy mackerel target by jumping to 709 00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:30,690 conclusions? It's like deep fakes. Wave is ludicrous. So the 710 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,380 reporter talking to him asked him immediately, what were the 711 00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:37,440 deep fakes that the Russians did to get a response right 712 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:39,900 Adam Curry: now? They went straight to another topic on the 713 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:43,140 show? No, of course not. It's just accepted. 714 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:45,570 John C. Dvorak: Ask them obviously, what what deep fakes. 715 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,890 Were involved in the 2016 campaign specifically? And he 716 00:41:49,890 --> 00:41:53,550 would have Denny what would he say, Well, what is wrong with 717 00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:55,530 these reporters? This is great stuff. 718 00:41:56,310 --> 00:42:02,400 Adam Curry: So this backs into this interview that Trump did 719 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:09,210 President Trump did with George Stephanopoulos. Where were and 720 00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:12,720 to me, it was just one big troll. He was like, Well, you 721 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,050 know, if I got some oppo research on I'm not gonna call 722 00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:18,870 the FBI went take a look at the oppo research first and 723 00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:24,300 everybody's freaking out. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, you have 724 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:28,560 him. If you get information from the Russians, or from the 725 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,230 British, I guess that's also a foreign government, British to 726 00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:34,470 Canadian, Canadian, the Italians, you need to report 727 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:39,720 that to the FBI. Exactly. Like, you know, the Democrats didn't 728 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:45,240 do. So they're trying to back this into a law and in fact, 729 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:52,890 that is Senate Bill 1247, the duty to report act, and here is 730 00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:55,200 pantsy. Explosive explaining. 731 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,620 Unknown: So that is part of our legislate, investigate, 732 00:42:59,220 --> 00:43:00,000 litigate? 733 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,250 Adam Curry: What did she say? 734 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:05,370 John C. Dvorak: She's got to say Nancy, explosive, 735 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,910 Adam Curry: pantsy, explosive. So 736 00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:12,150 Unknown: that is part of our legislate, investigate, 737 00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:15,300 litigate, legislate, investigate, 738 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:17,370 John C. Dvorak: litigate, talking about what the 739 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,630 Unknown: agenda, we're doing this and at the same time, we 740 00:43:21,630 --> 00:43:25,110 are honoring our oath of office to protect and defend the 741 00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:25,950 Constitution, 742 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:28,920 Adam Curry: you see that she's introducing a bill or the 743 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,620 concept of this bill that's that now running through the Senate, 744 00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:36,750 and she's trying to say this is our responsibility is legislate, 745 00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:42,690 investigate. And what was the third one, litigate, litigate 746 00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:45,810 that apparently is her job now that is the job of everybody in 747 00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:46,320 Congress, 748 00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:50,340 Unknown: state. Yesterday president gave us once again 749 00:43:50,370 --> 00:43:54,960 evidence that he does not know right from wrong. It's a very 750 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,830 sad thing. Very sad thing that he does not know right from 751 00:43:58,830 --> 00:44:01,950 wrong. I believe that he has been involved in a criminal 752 00:44:01,950 --> 00:44:05,730 cover up. I've said that before. And our investigation is 753 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:08,010 demonstrating that the Muller report shows 754 00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:10,710 Adam Curry: now listen to the flub, obstruction of 755 00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:15,900 Unknown: justice, and 10 At least 10 Perhaps 11 places, but 756 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:20,010 for the President to be so cavalier to disregard to be 757 00:44:20,010 --> 00:44:24,810 indifferent to wall and any sense of ethics about who we are 758 00:44:24,810 --> 00:44:28,980 as a country to say he would invite aren't an intervention 759 00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:33,900 further the intelligence community with great competence 760 00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:37,620 is put forward that the Russians interfered interfered in our 761 00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:41,580 election. That's an assault on our democracy and assault on our 762 00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:46,110 democracy. This president says it's a hoax. He suppose that he 763 00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:49,860 takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, but I 764 00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:57,150 guess it doesn't include him in terms of being to be held 765 00:44:57,150 --> 00:45:02,370 accountable to obey the law. So we Have a package that we're 766 00:45:02,370 --> 00:45:07,320 putting forth in light of the Muller report, a package of 767 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,090 legislation duty report, someone comes to you for mandating that 768 00:45:12,090 --> 00:45:15,930 campaigns report foreign offers of assistance. 769 00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:22,740 Adam Curry: So she is now taking oppo research, which is what the 770 00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:26,130 President discussed multiple times. She actually says the 771 00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:29,520 word up ah, and then she turns it into something else 772 00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:33,060 Unknown: legislation duty report, someone comes to you for 773 00:45:33,540 --> 00:45:35,910 mandating that campaigns report foreign 774 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:41,070 Adam Curry: offers. Instead of oppo oppo rip off offers 775 00:45:41,070 --> 00:45:41,460 shouldn't 776 00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:45,780 Unknown: even it's so self evident as a matter of ethics, 777 00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:50,190 but we'll have to codify it. These people are so 778 00:45:50,190 --> 00:45:54,060 John C. Dvorak: stupid to work with the with the steel dossier. 779 00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:56,430 Adam Curry: Was this is this is this is why I think it's 780 00:45:56,430 --> 00:46:01,020 trolling because this is exactly what happened. They took oppo 781 00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:06,630 research, I'm sorry, offers from a foreign country, literally 782 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:13,320 from a British spy. And there was involvement from Italy and 783 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,580 Australia and Russia. And now they're going to create a law 784 00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:22,200 against it. I can actually tell you a little bit about the text 785 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,620 of this. I don't know if this is going to pass or not. It's the 786 00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:29,640 duty to report Act, which they just pulled out of there. But 787 00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:32,520 John C. Dvorak: I want to mention something that I do. And 788 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,460 unfortunately we don't have that we should play the entire clip 789 00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:38,640 and I keep forgetting to get it. The step INNOPOLIS thing with 790 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:41,490 Trump because Trump's having a normal conversation with him as 791 00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:42,360 though he's a purse. 792 00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:44,220 Adam Curry: I actually expected you would have it. That's why I 793 00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:45,180 didn't you know, I 794 00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:47,340 John C. Dvorak: expected that I would have to respect it. I 795 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,070 would have it for the last thing wrong with you. It happened on 796 00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:51,090 Wednesday of last week. 797 00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:52,470 Adam Curry: I know it's so disappointing. 798 00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:55,170 John C. Dvorak: It we're taking forever to get to this but but I 799 00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:59,670 do remember a couple of points in there. And Trump was 800 00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:02,640 shrugging his shoulders and he says to stepping up was was was 801 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,410 great honesty. You know, I've never called the FBI. Right. And 802 00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:13,470 I was thinking about it. Have you ever called the FBI? report 803 00:47:13,470 --> 00:47:14,220 something? No. 804 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:17,160 Adam Curry: What is their number one 800? Call FBI? 805 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,390 John C. Dvorak: FBI. I've never called the FBI to report some I 806 00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:24,270 don't know who's ever called the FBI. It's it's just like they do 807 00:47:24,270 --> 00:47:29,160 their own thing. But then I'm reminded of Thomas Drake, the 808 00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:33,870 NSA whistleblower who said it he says at the beginning of all his 809 00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:39,780 speeches, do not talk to the FBI have ever, ever Exactly. 810 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:44,760 Adam Curry: Yeah, you can get in big trouble with stuff you say. 811 00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:47,580 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I mean, there's Flynn talk to the FBI 812 00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:48,510 liquid Avenham. 813 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:59,520 Adam Curry: So here is this Senate Bill, 1247 and perm. And 814 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,590 they kind of try to make this oppo research sound like it 815 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:09,930 would be something that was given to you. Let me see here we 816 00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:16,020 have in general if a political committee or applicable 817 00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:19,980 individual receives an offer orally in writing or otherwise 818 00:48:20,010 --> 00:48:24,030 of a prohibited contribution, donation expenditure, or 819 00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:27,030 disbursement, the committee or applicable individual seller 820 00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:30,930 shall within 24 hours of receiving the offer. Report to 821 00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:33,420 the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the extent 822 00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:35,640 known the name, address and nationality, the foreign 823 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,970 national making the offer, the amount and type of contribution 824 00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:43,560 donation expenditure or disbursement in general should 825 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,130 be unlawful to knowingly and willingly failed to comply with 826 00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:48,540 this subsection 827 00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:50,490 John C. Dvorak: Oh, this can be a nightmare if you think about 828 00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:53,970 it, somebody's impossible to do. Yeah, yeah. But think about 829 00:48:53,970 --> 00:49:00,150 somebody being spammed by fake offers oh sure of from foreign 830 00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:04,050 governments just keep sending them in and if they don't report 831 00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:05,550 them, you know, you can bust them and I 832 00:49:05,549 --> 00:49:08,819 Adam Curry: like how they add in here the the definition of 833 00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:14,849 applicable individual who has the duty to report that means an 834 00:49:14,849 --> 00:49:17,909 agent of political of a political committee a candidate 835 00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:20,729 an individual who was an immediate family member of a 836 00:49:20,729 --> 00:49:25,439 candidate Hello Donald Jr. or any individual affiliated with a 837 00:49:25,439 --> 00:49:29,849 campaign of a candidate an immediate family member 838 00:49:29,849 --> 00:49:32,939 individual affiliated with a compound pain for this purposes, 839 00:49:32,939 --> 00:49:34,979 the term immediate family member means with respect to a 840 00:49:34,979 --> 00:49:38,759 candidate parent, parent and law spouse, adult child sibling, and 841 00:49:38,759 --> 00:49:39,629 and it goes on and on and 842 00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:43,470 John C. Dvorak: on. But this really invites entrapment big 843 00:49:43,470 --> 00:49:44,250 time. 844 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,300 Adam Curry: Try this out I don't know if this will pass. 845 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:52,170 John C. Dvorak: It probably was just kind of dumb. There's 846 00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:54,060 already laws on the books but it's 847 00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:57,630 Adam Curry: just so funny to me. That they you know, they're all 848 00:49:57,630 --> 00:50:00,600 outraged by this then you know, that is this appointee neither 849 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:07,440 of us got this clip. It's it's about opposition research. And 850 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,950 they're all outraged that the President said not right. I'll 851 00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:14,820 take it. Everyone else does. Everyone does. This is what it's 852 00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:18,360 that's why it has a name oppo research. Everybody knows this. 853 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,350 I'll take it. Oh, oh, he's above the law breaking the law, huh? 854 00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:24,960 John C. Dvorak: Oh, they've gone berserk over this is 855 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,530 unbelievable nuts. But it's like one of the things you noticed 856 00:50:28,530 --> 00:50:31,680 they they looking for these? I don't know what they they hope 857 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,210 that these things hit the home run or something. I'm not sure. 858 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,780 Adam Curry: I have no idea. But it's, I mean, it's anyone 859 00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:41,910 running the country anymore. What are we doing? 860 00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:48,810 John C. Dvorak: I know, no one's running the country. In my 861 00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:54,060 opinion. It's a good thing. Let's take a look here. With 862 00:50:58,470 --> 00:51:00,570 Adam Curry: nothing to say. That's a good thing. I 863 00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:02,310 John C. Dvorak: guess. It is good. 864 00:51:02,339 --> 00:51:03,449 Adam Curry: What are we catching up with? 865 00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,599 John C. Dvorak: The Trump campaign outlines on CBS 866 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,110 Unknown: Okey dokey. President Trump is getting ready to kick 867 00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:13,710 off his reelection campaign. But just days before Mr. Trump's 868 00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:17,040 announcement that we'll seek a second term. Some opponents are 869 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,160 trying to keep him from finishing this one calling on 870 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,610 Congress to launch impeachment proceedings. Nicole Kellyanne is 871 00:51:23,610 --> 00:51:24,750 at the White House. 872 00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:28,200 President Trump spent part of his birthday weekend at the golf 873 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,010 course ready to take a campaign swing to Florida Tuesday to 874 00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:35,760 launch his reelection. He started making his case for 2020 875 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,360 on Twitter writing. The Trump economy is setting records and 876 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,200 has a long way up to go. However, if anyone but me takes 877 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,980 over in 2020 there will be a market crash the likes of which 878 00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:50,790 has not been seen before. He added we're doing great in the 879 00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:54,870 polls even better than in 2016 and will be packed at the 880 00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:56,430 Tuesday announcement rally. 881 00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,140 We've had over 100,000 RSVPs. So far. They keep coming in every 882 00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:05,220 single day. I think it means the enthusiasm is pretty good out 883 00:52:05,220 --> 00:52:05,490 there. 884 00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:09,120 But it rallies across the country protesters sounded more 885 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,720 calls for the president's impeachment. And we must begin 886 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:18,630 it now. And he continued to take heat for these comments to ABC 887 00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:19,380 News. And 888 00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:21,570 if someone else offers you information on opponent, should 889 00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:23,250 they accept it or should they call the FBI? 890 00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:26,460 I think maybe you do both. I think you might 891 00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:29,820 want to listen, despite trying to walk them back. 892 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:32,730 John C. Dvorak: I reported to the Attorney General the FBI 893 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,030 Unknown: Democratic presidential candidate Pete budaj Edge tells 894 00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:38,880 face the nation's Margaret Brennan, the president should 895 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,360 draw clear line. If you think there's a foreign effort to 896 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,210 tamper with an American election and you're an American. Who 897 00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:48,750 cares about America. You call the FBI. This shouldn't be hard. 898 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,160 The President and his campaign team dispute some polls that 899 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,090 show him trailing key Democrats like front runner Joe Biden, a 900 00:52:57,090 --> 00:53:00,750 Trump adviser tell CBS News expect the President to unleash 901 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:04,680 more attacks against the former Vice President as he jumps into 902 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,480 full campaign mode. Rena 903 00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:08,130 Nicole Killian at the White House, 904 00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:11,760 Adam Curry: can you imagine if this is a bill like this past, 905 00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:15,630 you the people, the FBI will be overwhelmed if people actually 906 00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:17,580 stuck to it. The amount of how 907 00:53:17,580 --> 00:53:19,980 John C. Dvorak: they think about it, I did try to get the call 908 00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:26,100 the FBI once I went there was had to do with it was had to do 909 00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:31,290 with these robo calls. Or something along those lines. And 910 00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:34,650 so you go to the FBI to find who to call and there's nobody to 911 00:53:34,650 --> 00:53:37,620 call and but they say if you already have this problem to 912 00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:41,910 some scam, go here and you go to a website. And then the website 913 00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:44,580 gives you a bunch of instructions that are just like 914 00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:47,970 too much for anybody in their right mind to do. They obviously 915 00:53:47,970 --> 00:53:51,810 do not want to be contacted on every little stupid thing. Call 916 00:53:51,810 --> 00:53:55,980 your local police is their attitude. And it's apparent that 917 00:53:56,010 --> 00:54:00,330 the FBI would be against this because they they would be just 918 00:54:00,330 --> 00:54:02,430 swamped with bullcrap kind 919 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,750 Adam Curry: of everything. The way I read the proposed bill, I 920 00:54:06,750 --> 00:54:12,330 mean, people in Congress receive I mean, lobbying, lobbyists 921 00:54:12,330 --> 00:54:16,590 contact them all the time. By just by the definition of the 922 00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:21,090 bill. You could say that a lot of these lobbyists are trying to 923 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:26,820 interfere. Hey, here's what I'd like to have done. So it's just 924 00:54:26,850 --> 00:54:28,110 it makes no sense. 925 00:54:30,450 --> 00:54:31,950 John C. Dvorak: Especially when their lobbyists not you 926 00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:35,640 mentioned there's a lot of foreign agent lobbyists to 927 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,520 crawling all over the place or from every country in the world. 928 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,230 Adam Curry: Luckily, though, everyone voted for a salary 929 00:54:43,230 --> 00:54:45,630 increase so they won't have to, you know, they won't have to 930 00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:49,080 take money from lobbyists and they won't have to do insider 931 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,840 trading is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez said 932 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,970 John C. Dvorak: so know what it does. It gives them more money 933 00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:54,690 to trade with 934 00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:59,160 Adam Curry: another 4500 bucks, bison puts 935 00:54:59,850 --> 00:55:01,530 John C. Dvorak: up Whoa, let's go along. 936 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,050 Adam Curry: Oh, man. 937 00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:07,230 John C. Dvorak: So I just was embraced some news that none of 938 00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:11,190 the media is picking up on. All right. And I got a kick out of 939 00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:13,680 it when I spotted it, and I thought it would be something 940 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,010 worth listening to. Oh, Jay Simpson has decided to go on 941 00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:18,390 Twitter. Yes. Hey, 942 00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:21,240 Unknown: Twitter world, this is yours truly. Now coming soon to 943 00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:24,690 Twitter, you'll get to read all my thoughts and opinions on just 944 00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:28,200 about everything. Now, there's a lot of fake OJ accounts out 945 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,970 there. So this one, at the real OJ 32 is the only official one. 946 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,630 So it should be a lot of fun to get and even to do. So God 947 00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:37,590 bless, take care. 948 00:55:38,610 --> 00:55:40,620 John C. Dvorak: Getting even with somebody, here's the second 949 00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:42,240 post he's done to now 950 00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:45,960 pay toward the world. You know, for years, people have been able 951 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,230 to say what ever they wanted to say about me with no 952 00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:53,010 accountability. But now I get the challenge and a lot of that 953 00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:56,940 BS and set the record straight. More importantly, I'll be able 954 00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:00,000 to talk about everything, especially sports, fantasy 955 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,160 football, and even politics. But for now, let me just say to my 956 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,180 fellow fathers out there, Happy Father's Day, and God bless. 957 00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:15,330 So this is a new low for Twitter. And where's this blue 958 00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:16,350 checkmark? Oh, 959 00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:21,090 Adam Curry: he doesn't even give him a checkmark. No. We need to 960 00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:25,560 Alright, so we need to start a campaign get OJ a checkmark. 961 00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:28,020 John C. Dvorak: So he puts up these two posts and he's already 962 00:56:28,020 --> 00:56:30,300 up to 325,000 verify 963 00:56:30,330 --> 00:56:34,230 Adam Curry: OJ hashtag verify OJ you'll be over a 964 00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:38,220 John C. Dvorak: million shortly. To do these half drunken kind of 965 00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,100 rants or whatever you're gonna get back and some PSU booths 966 00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:41,370 just 967 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:44,250 Adam Curry: see a drink and it'd be great so your drinker Is he a 968 00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:44,730 drinker? 969 00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:47,250 John C. Dvorak: I don't know but he's he's getting sold this 970 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:51,240 could be just old age but but whatever the case, this is going 971 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:55,080 to be great and I think is marked a new low for Twitter. 972 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,590 Can I Can I just get all the media has refused to cover the 973 00:56:58,590 --> 00:56:59,190 story. 974 00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:01,470 Adam Curry: Can I offer some advice to some colleagues out 975 00:57:01,470 --> 00:57:06,810 there? I would like to offer advice to Spotify and Pandora 976 00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:12,000 gimlet. This is the guy you want to do a podcast with this is the 977 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,780 podcast you want on your network. You want the OJ cast? 978 00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:19,260 That is money in the bank people. 979 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,100 John C. Dvorak: I agree. as sick as it is cash. It's it's exactly 980 00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,970 true. Shoot, maybe we should just produce it just just get a 981 00:57:29,970 --> 00:57:33,180 hold of me just you can be sure he's got a bunch of scammers. 982 00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:33,930 Hmm, maybe 983 00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:38,850 Adam Curry: DM at the real OJ 32 Go on, John. You're the sports 984 00:57:38,850 --> 00:57:45,060 guy. Everybody knows. He knows you. The juice. Yes, the juice 985 00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:50,340 is loose the juice pot the juice cast. I use Campsie and I'm 986 00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:55,200 seeing some great adds. It adds some some you know some great 987 00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:59,820 products. Give me a lot of Ginsu Knife Set me all kinds of hate 988 00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:04,020 when do Ginsu knife sets on them? You know have that as a as 989 00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:04,110 an 990 00:58:04,110 --> 00:58:06,240 John C. Dvorak: allergy call it the murder cast. 991 00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:10,260 Adam Curry: By the way, I'm a little disappointed you've not 992 00:58:10,290 --> 00:58:14,910 talked about the biggest sports story of the decade curry lens 993 00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:26,400 in the title is yours. The Toronto Raptors or the 2019 NBA 994 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,950 champions vs. Golden State Warriors So 995 00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:38,220 John C. Dvorak: hi, Miss that game. So why what happened to 996 00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:40,410 get the Raptors Who are they? I hear 997 00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:44,190 Adam Curry: candy Navia kicked your ass Golden State. How 998 00:58:44,190 --> 00:58:47,550 disappointing is that and why is Canada in the NBA? How does that 999 00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:48,000 work? 1000 00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:50,700 John C. Dvorak: You know this came up at the table the other 1001 00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:53,250 day and people don't realize that that basketball was 1002 00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:58,740 invented in Canada go and follow the follow that up. The first 1003 00:58:58,770 --> 00:59:07,140 NBA game in history was first played in Toronto, CA. So that's 1004 00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:11,190 why they probably could use a couple of teams. You could use 1005 00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:12,540 one on the on the West Coast. 1006 00:59:12,570 --> 00:59:15,960 Adam Curry: I did not realize that so so Canada invented 1007 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:16,650 basketball. 1008 00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:19,920 John C. Dvorak: That's what distorts dust what they that 1009 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,430 this came up in the in all those games they were playing over and 1010 00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:28,020 over again. Yeah, QA. All right, well, that was given by John 1011 00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:29,940 Naisbitt as I recall, but 1012 00:59:30,090 --> 00:59:33,360 Adam Curry: naysmith kinase naysmith naysmith not naes base 1013 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:33,870 Neysa 1014 00:59:33,870 --> 00:59:35,280 John C. Dvorak: you know more than I do know I'm 1015 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,760 Adam Curry: really I'm really the troll room. I have the troll 1016 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,260 room open that's how i How could you have for you for a second 1017 00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:47,010 thing I knew more about sports than you just isn't logical. 1018 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,420 John C. Dvorak: You surprised me that's why. Anyway, back to you 1019 00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:54,420 couldn't be a closet sports junkie for all I know. 1020 00:59:55,830 --> 01:00:00,300 Adam Curry: Back to I think the the glove cast may be so better 1021 01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:07,980 name for the O J o the glove cast. We are so sick. Yes 1022 01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:10,530 podcast ladies and gentlemen they're taking over the world 1023 01:00:10,530 --> 01:00:11,730 witnessed the BBC 1024 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,580 Unknown: back in the real world. It was announced today that this 1025 01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:19,590 show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast. No, no 1026 01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:24,150 cast. I mean, there's no limit to the depths of depravity to 1027 01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:29,580 which BBC schedules are prepared. This is a podcast 1028 01:00:29,580 --> 01:00:34,680 anyway, it was a podcast. If God had meant ports to be cast, he 1029 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,460 wouldn't have invented the wireless. The good news is, he's 1030 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:38,880 free. 1031 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,830 Adam Curry: That's one of my favorite clips of the week. 1032 01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:45,480 John C. Dvorak: depravity tip, 1033 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,410 Adam Curry: I got an ISO podcast. I just love that. 1034 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,830 That's just how he's denigrating this guy. That's was Andrew 1035 01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:57,810 Neil, whatever his name is Andy. Andy was beginning again, 1036 01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:00,629 Unknown: back in the real world. It was announced today that this 1037 01:01:00,629 --> 01:01:07,229 show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast, podcast. I 1038 01:01:07,229 --> 01:01:10,979 mean, there's no limit to the depths of depravity, which BBC 1039 01:01:10,979 --> 01:01:12,749 schedules are prepared. 1040 01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:19,860 Adam Curry: It makes me so proud. Very, very proud of that. 1041 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,170 John C. Dvorak: I would give you a clip of the day but I'm not 1042 01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:22,590 going to 1043 01:01:22,590 --> 01:01:25,650 Adam Curry: end with that. I would like to thank you for your 1044 01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:28,170 courage and say in the morning to you the man who put the C in 1045 01:01:28,170 --> 01:01:32,130 Canadian basketball John C. Barek. Back. 1046 01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:35,670 John C. Dvorak: Well, in the morning to you Mr. Adam curry 1047 01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:40,110 also in the morning to all the ships at sea. And the boots on 1048 01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:42,690 the ground ended subs in the water and all the games and all 1049 01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:43,560 the nights out there. 1050 01:01:43,590 --> 01:01:46,380 Adam Curry: And in the morning to our trolls we got a lot of 1051 01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:48,930 them the trolls are in the troll room, you can find him at no 1052 01:01:48,930 --> 01:01:52,110 agenda stream.com where you can also listen live to the program. 1053 01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:55,170 And there's many programs, it's 24 segments. There's always 1054 01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:58,290 someone in there listening, commenting, trolling, and we're 1055 01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:01,620 not bashful about it, there's trolls. So go in there, you know 1056 01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:08,430 show your best troll edge. No agenda stream.com. And we also 1057 01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:13,950 like to say in the morning to see SB I think I think CSB has 1058 01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:20,430 changed his his name on the Art Generator. I don't know you 1059 01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:24,840 could do that. Yeah, you can apparently. And he's what is 1060 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,820 John C. Dvorak: his name, then comment. Let me get something. 1061 01:02:26,850 --> 01:02:34,320 It's Charlize. Charlie Sierra Smith. Baramulla Bingham. 1062 01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:38,160 Adam Curry: Well, it turns out it's the name CSB has now been 1063 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,860 hijacked by some dude named comic strip blogger. 1064 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,600 John C. Dvorak: Oh, no. And 1065 01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,460 Adam Curry: who was very mad at you? Because you apparently have 1066 01:02:47,460 --> 01:02:48,690 blocked him on Twitter. So 1067 01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:51,960 John C. Dvorak: just Yeah. Well, that's because he was well, I 1068 01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:53,340 not that I don't like the guy. 1069 01:02:53,550 --> 01:02:55,590 Adam Curry: Yeah, he's blocked him though. That doesn't, that's 1070 01:02:55,590 --> 01:02:57,120 not a real likable thing to do. 1071 01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:01,590 John C. Dvorak: Well, you know, he was, he was, I was getting 1072 01:03:01,590 --> 01:03:04,170 too much material that wasn't 1073 01:03:04,590 --> 01:03:06,750 Adam Curry: doped with all the great material is what you're 1074 01:03:06,750 --> 01:03:09,450 saying. That's what a block means to us. It's just too much 1075 01:03:09,450 --> 01:03:12,150 good material. Please. I have to slow you down. 1076 01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:15,360 John C. Dvorak: It is not there to I'm just there to I don't 1077 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,430 know why I'm there. I don't even know why go on Twitter. I should 1078 01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:18,090 get off of it. 1079 01:03:18,510 --> 01:03:21,630 Adam Curry: Well, this was the artwork for episode 1146. The 1080 01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:27,030 title of that was Googlers. And CSB, aka comics, your blogger 1081 01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:30,720 did a great piece of art. It was the former Trump logo. It was 1082 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,710 nice. It was done with kind of pixelated camouflage background. 1083 01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:39,090 And it made sense in context of the episode that we had, and we 1084 01:03:39,090 --> 01:03:42,630 appreciate it. It's no agenda, art generator.com, where you can 1085 01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:44,820 see all the artwork that's submitted where you can submit 1086 01:03:44,820 --> 01:03:48,450 artwork, and lots of people do and we always have to make a 1087 01:03:48,450 --> 01:03:51,960 very difficult choice. And it was this esbs, who we chose. And 1088 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,660 again, thank you, it's part of our value for value model is 1089 01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:58,290 really helps when we have fresh artwork to show because people 1090 01:03:58,470 --> 01:04:02,220 it catches people's eye in where they find podcasts everywhere. 1091 01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:03,510 So thank you. 1092 01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:06,090 John C. Dvorak: Well, we have three executive producers and 1093 01:04:06,090 --> 01:04:08,250 again, no associates for some 1094 01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:11,100 Adam Curry: Wow, second time in a row. This is odd. 1095 01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:13,560 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Also, this is the second time in a row that 1096 01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,970 we had no checks that are over $50 that came in. In fact, that 1097 01:04:18,090 --> 01:04:20,520 pile of checks is very small. It doesn't make a lot of sense to 1098 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,370 me unless you think that's the way the intelligence agencies 1099 01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:24,420 are sending us money. 1100 01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:28,620 Adam Curry: Checks and checks and we're not doing they're not 1101 01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:29,700 doing we're not doing it 1102 01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:32,460 John C. Dvorak: right and doing their bidding. I don't know what 1103 01:04:32,460 --> 01:04:36,750 it is. We said wrong. But the top of the list is in fact, I 1104 01:04:36,750 --> 01:04:40,380 have the bonus clip. This is Sir Dave Fukase Otto. Oh, hold on 1105 01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:41,160 Oklahoma. Where 1106 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,360 Adam Curry: was your bonus clip? I didn't I didn't I didn't 1107 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,030 listen to your to your bonus clip. So I didn't know what it 1108 01:04:48,030 --> 01:04:56,160 was food. That now I know what it is. Let's just make sure we 1109 01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:01,710 recognize that name again. Food Gazoo Oh, Right sir Dave 1110 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:07,380 John C. Dvorak: covered I play debt for J. She's in a. She's in 1111 01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:12,030 an office and she's doing something and she hears this 1112 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,530 photo screech. And she can What? What the hell is that? I play it 1113 01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:20,520 again. And it makes you laugh because Fletcher cracks his 1114 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,870 voice in some very controlled way at the end of the food is 1115 01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:26,340 doto food God 1116 01:05:28,290 --> 01:05:30,090 Adam Curry: is just on the end there, isn't it? 1117 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,610 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's unbelievable how good this guy 1118 01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:35,970 is. And so I was going back and forth. And I said, Maybe we 1119 01:05:35,970 --> 01:05:40,320 should reintroduce the old we had a gimmick about four years 1120 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,580 ago, I think, where we would let people go donate a certain 1121 01:05:44,580 --> 01:05:47,220 amount of money. They get a they get a Fletcher call out. 1122 01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:51,450 Adam Curry: Oh, that's a cool idea. Yeah, they did it yet. But 1123 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,950 yes, we did it. But it's a long time ago. We see some of the 1124 01:05:55,950 --> 01:06:02,280 yells we have done. That's one. Of course there's the classic. 1125 01:06:02,310 --> 01:06:06,690 Oh, it's the crack at the voice every single time. 1126 01:06:07,470 --> 01:06:10,320 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, he's very controlling. Very good. No, I 1127 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,920 mean, that is a skill that I was talking to Jay about. I said, 1128 01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:18,900 this is a voiceover skill. That is not something anyone can do. 1129 01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:22,170 And I don't know anyone else who can do it is like this. I mean, 1130 01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:23,190 it's unbelievable 1131 01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:34,500 Adam Curry: wasn't as good one. It's it's funnier when he's when 1132 01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:36,390 it's just him when it's no music 1133 01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:39,540 John C. Dvorak: screaming Yeah. Yeah, 1134 01:06:39,569 --> 01:06:42,749 Adam Curry: I don't know if I have any. Anyway, so. Oh, yeah. 1135 01:06:42,809 --> 01:06:44,489 Yeah. Yes. This is the one 1136 01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:49,350 Unknown: ladies and gentlemen. It is time to Robert 1137 01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:54,480 Adam Curry: that's a good one. Right. So there's a promotion 1138 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,530 you're working on? Very good. 1139 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,450 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And I'm thinking for the dead till we 1140 01:06:57,450 --> 01:07:04,110 get to the promotion anyone who donates. Sir Dave. Did $999.99 1141 01:07:04,110 --> 01:07:08,250 Anyone who does a grand or more will we'll get a call out for 1142 01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:11,130 him. Oh, wow. Yeah, meantime, but the promotion will be the 1143 01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:14,700 original promotion I went back and forth with the Fletcher John 1144 01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:20,310 with about this. And he reminded me that it was it was an old pie 1145 01:07:20,310 --> 01:07:24,810 donation at 314 Whenever one five that we did it for and we 1146 01:07:24,810 --> 01:07:26,760 did it for about two or three months but I was thinking just 1147 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,160 doing it for about a month but if anybody wants to do 1000 1148 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,670 bucks at any time, we will I think you'd be more amenable to 1149 01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:35,670 throw out the your last name and then you can put it on your 1150 01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:38,010 phone or whatever you want to do. That was the original idea. 1151 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,550 Oh, but anyway, so let me get to the donation so Sir David 1152 01:07:41,550 --> 01:07:47,940 through 999 99. This donation three times 33333 is a 1153 01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:51,000 recognition and thanks for all the karmic goodness requested 1154 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:56,700 during show 1111 The super uber mega karma episode Okay, Melody 1155 01:07:57,270 --> 01:08:01,290 is well on her way to success as a grad student student lady 1156 01:08:01,290 --> 01:08:05,370 Isabel enjoyed great success in the last Irish dance competition 1157 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,960 out in Portland. Yes, I'm retired from the army as of the 1158 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,770 30th of the month and have landed a job and our house just 1159 01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:17,760 sold. Not saying that requesting karma back then had anything to 1160 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,180 do with all of it. But hey, it certainly didn't hurt all you 1161 01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:24,480 freeloaders out there and you know who you are. should try 1162 01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:28,530 donating some time and getting some of your own. It's a super 1163 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:37,080 uber mega amazing or as he puts it amazing. Balancing all that 1164 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,020 however bad my buddy with the brain cancer went into the 1165 01:08:40,020 --> 01:08:44,190 hospice a couple of days ago and we brothers in arms are watching 1166 01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:48,840 watching and waiting and watching and waiting mode. Kind 1167 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,600 of a bummer. Some F cancer karma would be appreciated. Let 1168 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,590 Adam Curry: me do that right here right 1169 01:08:57,660 --> 01:08:59,610 Unknown: you've got karma got to 1170 01:08:59,610 --> 01:09:00,510 Adam Curry: separate that out. 1171 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,810 John C. Dvorak: I'm kind of lost track for a while but I recently 1172 01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:06,060 went back and updated my accounting and apparently I've 1173 01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:10,140 leveled up the VI count. I request a peerage upgrade during 1174 01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:13,140 today's show and I would like to expand my territory to include 1175 01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:19,020 America's heartland and the Saudi Arabia also an episode or 1176 01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:24,570 two ago the question arose as to what whether or not a cot count 1177 01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:28,920 is an 11 as a love whether or not count that was the last show 1178 01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:32,700 is a level in the no agenda peerage system going to divorce 1179 01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:36,810 rack slash org peerage and a book of knowledge page on 1180 01:09:36,810 --> 01:09:41,760 Italian nobility count is synonymous with Earl go not by 1181 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:47,550 Count okay we don't use count again we don't use the the 1182 01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:51,240 Italian nobility we'll use the British yes finally according to 1183 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:56,850 the update from the UAE ease last episode, Riyadh is also hot 1184 01:09:57,090 --> 01:09:59,970 as I typed this it's 100 thorough he's he's there, right 1185 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,220 is 113 degrees but without the humidity that our UAE producer 1186 01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:09,360 is likely enjoying. And there's a headline from today's Arab 1187 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:14,700 news Filipina players dominate at women's bowling championship 1188 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,580 in Jeddah. Congrats ladies. 1189 01:10:19,260 --> 01:10:21,150 Adam Curry: Way to go do they have cute outfits is the 1190 01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:21,660 question. 1191 01:10:22,980 --> 01:10:24,630 John C. Dvorak: Keep up the great work and thank you for 1192 01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:25,410 your courage. 1193 01:10:25,469 --> 01:10:29,639 Adam Curry: Thank you for your courage, sir Dave. Yeah, so he I 1194 01:10:29,639 --> 01:10:33,779 mean to see what what do I have? Dave? Yeah be Vikon of America's 1195 01:10:33,779 --> 01:10:37,679 heartland and Saudi Arabia. Outstanding. And thank you for 1196 01:10:38,339 --> 01:10:41,729 your support. Longtime support is highly 1197 01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:43,590 John C. Dvorak: irregular karma so you can add to his 1198 01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:48,030 collection. You've got karma. 1199 01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:55,380 Serendipity came in from Colombia, Portugal, Portugal, I 1200 01:10:55,380 --> 01:11:00,750 believe yes. For 30 to 34. Once all operational expenses are 1201 01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:03,810 taken care of. I like to suggest that part of my donation goes to 1202 01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:07,710 help add and pay a romantic dinner to Mrs. Mrs. Tina the 1203 01:11:07,710 --> 01:11:10,710 keeper. Enjoy your vacations here. 1204 01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:13,530 Adam Curry: Yes, we're going to Portugal tomorrow. And that's 1205 01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:14,850 where our actual honeymoon. 1206 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:15,540 John C. Dvorak: Oh, that's right. I 1207 01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:17,040 Adam Curry: remember that. That's where the actual 1208 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,210 honeymoon takes place. 1209 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,990 John C. Dvorak: You get to go to old Porto. 1210 01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:25,380 Adam Curry: Possibly. We're so tired. 1211 01:11:25,710 --> 01:11:27,240 John C. Dvorak: You're gonna go to Lisbon and you're hanging 1212 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,580 out. We're going to the Algarve. 1213 01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:31,950 Adam Curry: And to hang out. You're gonna wear 1214 01:11:32,190 --> 01:11:35,820 John C. Dvorak: the Algarve. Oh, never heard of it. The Algarve? 1215 01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:39,570 Adam Curry: It's like the entire the beautiful coast is where you 1216 01:11:39,570 --> 01:11:42,390 vacation. The Algarve? It's a region. 1217 01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:45,300 John C. Dvorak: Okay. Well, anyway, I want to say anyone 1218 01:11:45,330 --> 01:11:47,430 that likes to do it has never visited Portugal and you're a 1219 01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:51,840 photographer, Lisbon. It's the most photographic city I've ever 1220 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,550 been to. Not because it's ornate and beautiful. It's like 1221 01:11:56,550 --> 01:12:04,080 Barcelona. It's kind of dingy, but in a very photogenic way. By 1222 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:08,430 the way, I'm a regular passenger on the emergency row of the O O 1223 01:12:08,430 --> 01:12:13,800 P O AMS flights. So if you see a sales looking guy seated there, 1224 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:16,560 drop an ITM. It might be me. Finally. 1225 01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:22,380 Adam Curry: We're not we're flying from Belfast and we're 1226 01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:24,930 flying EasyJet. So unfortunately, we won't we won't 1227 01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:25,380 see you. 1228 01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:29,340 John C. Dvorak: Finally a gift to the no agenda listeners with 1229 01:12:29,340 --> 01:12:32,820 for human resources already am donating all of my baby making 1230 01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:38,460 karma. I won't cut my tubes. But I'm done. Please play the 1231 01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:43,260 Hillary cackle to the head, then that's wrong, followed by brown 1232 01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:44,400 shoes karma. 1233 01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:52,980 Unknown: You've got a karma. 1234 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:57,720 Adam Curry: By the way, I appreciate very much, but the 1235 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,670 keeper actually is paying for this part of the journey for the 1236 01:13:02,670 --> 01:13:03,660 Portugal rest 1237 01:13:03,690 --> 01:13:04,650 John C. Dvorak: to Portugal. 1238 01:13:05,790 --> 01:13:10,140 Adam Curry: Yes, she booked everything. She the best? 1239 01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:15,570 John C. Dvorak: Well, a couple of things I should mention is I 1240 01:13:15,570 --> 01:13:21,090 think Portugal is fantastic. But it has some of the lowest price 1241 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,640 wines, high quality wines, locally made dry and sweet. But 1242 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,250 mostly but the dry wines are outstanding. And the whites are 1243 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,990 terrific. They're way under priced worldwide. You get over 1244 01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:36,960 here too cheap. They're extremely inexpensive in 1245 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,960 Portugal. And they also do the same thing with their olive oil. 1246 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,520 So all of us are way under priced. So if you're you can 1247 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,280 find a good one. You can get it for next to nothing. You could 1248 01:13:47,310 --> 01:13:49,410 do it the check in luggage and bring it back. 1249 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:53,400 Adam Curry: I'm sure that in the 11 years we've discussed it. But 1250 01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:58,320 you know, I was very famous for a little while in Portugal when 1251 01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,880 it was still a third world country. 1252 01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:02,940 John C. Dvorak: You talked about this because when I've never 1253 01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:06,570 been to Portugal, pre EU, so I never got to see the dirt roads 1254 01:14:06,570 --> 01:14:08,190 that are now giant freeways. 1255 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:15,060 Adam Curry: Yeah, it was. So this this was 1982 or 83. And 1256 01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:18,150 there was an international consortium called Europa 1257 01:14:18,150 --> 01:14:21,240 television. And Europa television was all the public 1258 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,810 broadcasters from the EU at the time, it was even a precursor to 1259 01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:28,650 the euro, the you know, like the EU Eurovision coming together. 1260 01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:34,170 And to people were doing news and sports and we provided a 1261 01:14:34,170 --> 01:14:39,180 half hour of music videos every single day. And typically this 1262 01:14:39,180 --> 01:14:42,240 was broadcast and it'd be you know, because Europe had a lot 1263 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,940 of cable penetration. So you could get all these crazy 1264 01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:48,750 channels with Sky channel those music boxes MTV, but in 1265 01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:53,070 Portugal, they only had two stations RTP one RTP two, and it 1266 01:14:53,070 --> 01:14:56,100 was over the air there was no cable, but for some reason they 1267 01:14:56,100 --> 01:15:00,360 decided every day and as a public broadcaster to take Our 1268 01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:05,880 show called Countdown and air that on television over the air. 1269 01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:09,660 So here were kids who have and Portugal was a third world 1270 01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:12,750 country in the early 80s. I mean, it was it. This is all 1271 01:15:12,750 --> 01:15:16,560 before the big EU money came in. So there's just nothing but dirt 1272 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:22,380 roads. And now here was a guy who all the first time they're 1273 01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:25,770 seeing Bon Jovi videos, they've never seen this before. It's 1274 01:15:25,770 --> 01:15:30,210 like Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Tina Turner, the end 1275 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,470 and people would send me mail postcards, remember those, and 1276 01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:39,720 they would be post sacks full, I mean, just huge mailbags and I'd 1277 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:44,220 be reading their notes. And so when we went there to just, you 1278 01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:47,280 know, do a couple shows from Portugal, we were at the 1279 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:52,800 airport. And you know, we had to import all of our camera gear 1280 01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:55,650 back in the day, it was a lot bigger and you had to have a car 1281 01:15:55,650 --> 01:16:00,690 and a car and E T A corne which was it's like a travel document 1282 01:16:00,690 --> 01:16:04,290 for your, for your gear so that you know when you enter the 1283 01:16:04,290 --> 01:16:07,860 country and you leave again, you didn't sell off some $100,000 1284 01:16:07,860 --> 01:16:10,500 piece of equipment that they didn't know about. So it took a 1285 01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:12,960 little while for us to get through customs. But we kept 1286 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,050 hearing this weird sound and I thought it was the baggage 1287 01:16:16,050 --> 01:16:18,720 carousel at the airport which it could have been because was 1288 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:23,130 rickety. But it turned out when we finally had the corne set and 1289 01:16:23,130 --> 01:16:26,700 we're going through customs the doors open there were 5000 kids 1290 01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:30,630 standing there waiting for Adam Korea, Adam Cudi out of Korea. 1291 01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:35,400 And I'd made jokes on the show like, Oh, we're going to go into 1292 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,580 Portugal. Yeah. All right, girls, make sure you you show up 1293 01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:42,660 in my hotel with a Lamborghini. Dude, I still have paper 1294 01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:45,690 clippings front page where girls showed up with their dad's 1295 01:16:45,690 --> 01:16:51,600 Lamborghini to give to me, it was outrageous. And just the one 1296 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,320 of the trickiest things I've ever witnessed. And now, no one 1297 01:16:55,320 --> 01:17:00,420 knows who I am. It's done. It's nothing. Fame is fleeting. So 1298 01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:02,940 I'm gonna, I'm gonna see if we can find the old people while 1299 01:17:02,940 --> 01:17:05,820 we're there. Like, Hey, man, remember me? Let me show you a 1300 01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:07,020 picture of what it used to look like. 1301 01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:12,000 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you should do they do get a badge or 1302 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,910 button? Maybe Maybe I'll get some big giant button like the 1303 01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:17,550 podcasting button. We got a big champion with your with your 1304 01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:19,440 face on his head. This used to be my I 1305 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:20,400 Adam Curry: used to be famous. 1306 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,660 John C. Dvorak: Surely you remember me famous? All right, 1307 01:17:24,660 --> 01:17:26,850 well, maybe someone will recognize you happens. Yeah, 1308 01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:27,630 maybe not. 1309 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,880 Adam Curry: We'll find out. Not. I do. I do recall. Someone gave 1310 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:39,540 me a port wine from my birth year. 1964. And I save that and 1311 01:17:39,540 --> 01:17:44,100 when I turned, I think 40 I opened it. God that was some 1312 01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:46,530 Dracut completely gone bad. It was horrible. 1313 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,840 John C. Dvorak: No, 64 is not a good year. Now if they were 1314 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:53,220 smart and giving you a 63 which is still good to this day, and 1315 01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:57,630 just text out to three and four. No, no, none of that I had a 1316 01:17:57,630 --> 01:17:59,010 file of killer port. 1317 01:17:59,790 --> 01:18:03,570 Adam Curry: Oh man. I remember. At a certain point. I was we had 1318 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,450 all these autograph sessions and he was like, and we had this 1319 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:10,950 promoter like Alessandro Bosch was the name da Alessandra Bosch 1320 01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:14,520 with a today we take autographs very close by. And we get in 1321 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:20,220 this. Renaud espouse van and we drive for three and a half hours 1322 01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:23,370 through these dirt roads. Like what are we doing? And then you 1323 01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:27,090 know, there'd be a crowd of several 100 kids there but then 1324 01:18:27,090 --> 01:18:30,900 the punk showed up and they were on you know, like mopeds and 1325 01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:34,740 bicycles and they were spitting at the car and jumping on it was 1326 01:18:35,010 --> 01:18:38,850 it was crazy. I gotta find some of that video. I gotta post that 1327 01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:42,960 if I can find any Yeah, good times. Thank God the EU came in 1328 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:48,630 and straighten those people out well made him enslave them into 1329 01:18:48,690 --> 01:18:49,530 obedience. 1330 01:18:50,970 --> 01:18:55,050 John C. Dvorak: Well they under their old rulers, it wasn't much 1331 01:18:55,050 --> 01:18:59,610 better to call in the friendly Fat Man is or last associate 1332 01:18:59,610 --> 01:19:03,030 exec or executive producer this these the third one is all we 1333 01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:09,660 got during the $60 nice donation. Sir Colin Colin the 1334 01:19:09,660 --> 01:19:14,160 friendly fat man from Cincinnati. Couple of things on 1335 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,820 the list for today one I want to wish my father Arthur a very by 1336 01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:20,850 the way we did have a father. Father's Day promotion for 1337 01:19:20,850 --> 01:19:25,080 Father's Day and as usual, yeah, everyone hates their dads. They 1338 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,170 hate their dads they hate their moms they have no Valentine's 1339 01:19:28,170 --> 01:19:30,210 but they love Fibonacci number. That's 1340 01:19:30,210 --> 01:19:33,570 Adam Curry: right. Go Fibonacci boo dad boo mom. 1341 01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:36,690 John C. Dvorak: I want to wish my father Arthur a very Happy 1342 01:19:36,690 --> 01:19:40,350 Father's Day. He's a man of heroic character and unwavering 1343 01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:44,670 conviction that I aspire to imitate daily in my own feeble 1344 01:19:44,670 --> 01:19:48,330 way. He has made me into the man I am today and there's nothing I 1345 01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:51,990 could ever do to repay him for all he has done for me and my 1346 01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:57,360 six siblings. So the next best thing is to recognize him and 1347 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,870 the best podcast in the universe is donation amount is Magical 1348 01:20:00,870 --> 01:20:07,530 shapeshifting jus $18 donation times 27 Kids and 13 grandkids 1349 01:20:07,530 --> 01:20:11,580 oh god bless them. Nice. I also want to wish you a Happy 1350 01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:15,300 Father's Day to my brother Stephen and our Steven and my 1351 01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:19,410 two brothers in law Chris and Kevin. I was involved in the 1352 01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:22,680 Cincinnati meetup back in May and forgot to send you guys the 1353 01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,280 picture attached of our group it was a great get together and and 1354 01:20:26,460 --> 01:20:32,370 we even had a baron humble us presence Nice. As many have said 1355 01:20:32,370 --> 01:20:35,460 it was an amazing feeling to be able to talk about whatever we 1356 01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:39,150 wanted without much if any concern for upsetting our table 1357 01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:42,900 mates. Yes. First step number four I recently took that was 1358 01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:45,600 number three. Number four. I recently took my first step into 1359 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,830 the property ladder and bought house. Yes, I knew it was I knew 1360 01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:53,910 it was the one when I saw the street address, and included the 1361 01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:58,470 magic number 33. Now my mother would really like me to find a 1362 01:20:58,470 --> 01:21:03,510 keeper of my own ego and go along with it. Go along with it 1363 01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:08,010 so I could get some house relationship karma. Yeah, that's 1364 01:21:08,010 --> 01:21:11,040 what he wants. Yeah, well, that's what his mom wants. Yeah, 1365 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,600 that's his mom, which will give him some too. 1366 01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:14,760 Adam Curry: We know what he wants is really just some 1367 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:15,660 awesome hookers. 1368 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:22,350 John C. Dvorak: Right You heard that Tina? On the subject of 1369 01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:25,650 houses Adam. I was the one who sent you the high and mighty 1370 01:21:25,650 --> 01:21:30,180 wall hangings. I hope you liked it. Yes. I hope you liked it. It 1371 01:21:30,180 --> 01:21:34,020 worked out for you. Hearing your thoughts would be great. What is 1372 01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:36,990 he talking about? Okay, it would be so hard mentioned a website 1373 01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:41,880 designer designed to be stuck up.com My fellow producer I'm 1374 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:42,330 glad 1375 01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:45,900 Adam Curry: that he finally sent this in Sir Colin. So when we 1376 01:21:45,930 --> 01:21:49,290 said that we were the we bought a house and we're going to move 1377 01:21:49,290 --> 01:21:52,050 into the house he sent us a whole bunch of these designed to 1378 01:21:52,050 --> 01:21:59,460 be stuck up items. And you can what? Well it's hooks but also 1379 01:21:59,460 --> 01:22:02,820 there's a shelf so there's no holes you don't drill any holes. 1380 01:22:03,090 --> 01:22:06,990 And it's it's you have to look at the website to understand the 1381 01:22:06,990 --> 01:22:12,060 system but you can hang up up to like 3040 pounds in some cases 1382 01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:15,180 without drilling holes the stuff just sticks to the wall or wood 1383 01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:18,900 and drywall does it with drywall too. It's It's very cool. 1384 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,690 Designed to be stuck up.com 1385 01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:24,720 John C. Dvorak: Thanks for everything and along with the 1386 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,750 Karma can I get some magical shapeshifting Jew and Putin on 1387 01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:31,770 the wrist? On the rich RETs Thanks for calling the friendly 1388 01:22:31,770 --> 01:22:32,040 fat 1389 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,620 Unknown: blue and you don't know where this fake news Why don't 1390 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:38,520 you get joke get 1391 01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:46,350 dressed up like a million dollar true 1392 01:22:48,210 --> 01:22:54,360 trying not to look like Anderson Cooper. Calm let's mix with John 1393 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,760 Podesta walks with kids though. I mean pizzas in his mid boot 1394 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:28,410 and on the Reds shapeshifting shapeshifting Jews All right. 1395 01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:28,590 Well, 1396 01:23:28,590 --> 01:23:31,260 John C. Dvorak: Jonas, thank these three folks for becoming 1397 01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:35,040 the executive producers for show 1147 Yeah, 1398 01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:38,010 Adam Curry: and once again, no Associate Executive producers 1399 01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:43,080 which is very odd. Very odd. We don't see that often. He did 1400 01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:50,730 mention the Cincinnati meet up I do Missy. Dave. There was no 1401 01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:53,880 agenda torrent. Dave back in the day at the London meetup. He did 1402 01:23:55,050 --> 01:24:00,030 do a $50 cash on the spot donation he neglected to add a 1403 01:24:00,030 --> 01:24:05,280 note. He just wanted to be deduced. You've been de deuced 1404 01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:09,060 and I have a report from the Copenhagen meetup, which was 1405 01:24:09,060 --> 01:24:12,330 just the other day. This is from Eric organized greetings from 1406 01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,120 Copenhagen. We just finished our first successful meetup six 1407 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,750 producers, including two knights who came out of hiding to speak 1408 01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:23,700 freely. And then nurse hangovers the Dane hangover, apparently, 1409 01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:26,730 and discuss the future of Scandinavia from an agenda 1410 01:24:26,730 --> 01:24:29,730 perspective. It was a huge success and plans are already in 1411 01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:32,370 the works to make it a regular thing. Adam, I hope when you 1412 01:24:32,370 --> 01:24:34,350 were finally done with honeymoons, you were able to 1413 01:24:34,350 --> 01:24:37,650 join us next time. I'd love to go to Copenhagen. I would do 1414 01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:40,470 I'll go in honor of the Copenhagen nights and our 1415 01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:44,250 lengthy discussion of the number 33 And how much Adam really 1416 01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:48,210 knows about its origin I've made a donation 6666 will be thanking 1417 01:24:48,210 --> 01:24:50,850 him later on. Of course, as this is my first donation please 1418 01:24:50,850 --> 01:24:54,330 deduce me and kindly call out Pablo Ponting as a massive 1419 01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:58,050 douchebag thanks to you and John for your hard work. Hope you're 1420 01:24:58,050 --> 01:25:01,500 proud that it brings sick strangers together halfway 1421 01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:05,610 across the world. Yes. I think we are extremely proud of this. 1422 01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:13,530 John C. Dvorak: John, I'm actually stunned by it. I'm, 1423 01:25:13,740 --> 01:25:18,600 although I'm not surprised. And I'm specifically not surprised 1424 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,900 about the fact that people all get along. Because the nature of 1425 01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:27,270 the show is it does have a mindset that if people subscribe 1426 01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:30,360 to it, they will be happier. They won't have an inflamed 1427 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,990 amygdala. And they will get along with each other. Yeah. And 1428 01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:38,220 they always do. And I've never, you know, yet to see anybody's 1429 01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:42,600 say otherwise, you wouldn't come to the thing if you weren't a 1430 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,560 normal person. 1431 01:25:43,710 --> 01:25:45,600 Adam Curry: And the fact that they're doing it, that they're 1432 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,240 already planning the next one means good news. Good news 1433 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:54,900 there. Now. Oh, here's your D, do. You spend D? Do you want to 1434 01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:55,920 call him before? Yeah. 1435 01:25:57,540 --> 01:26:00,000 Unknown: You've got karma. So thank 1436 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,670 Adam Curry: you. Thank you to our executive producers of 1437 01:26:02,670 --> 01:26:07,650 Episode 1147, you'd certainly made up picked up some slack, 1438 01:26:07,650 --> 01:26:12,060 which is highly appreciated. For those of you who are interested 1439 01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:16,860 in our value for value proposition. All you have to do 1440 01:26:16,890 --> 01:26:20,940 is think about what the show was worth to you. What kind of value 1441 01:26:20,940 --> 01:26:23,730 would provide this episode, one more than one episode? How many 1442 01:26:23,730 --> 01:26:26,520 been listening to? And just send this to us? And you can do that 1443 01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:31,710 very simply at vortrag.org/and. That's right. I'll be doing 1444 01:26:31,710 --> 01:26:34,650 another show from the honeymoon on Thursday. Make sure you're 1445 01:26:34,650 --> 01:26:35,130 there. 1446 01:26:35,580 --> 01:26:39,480 John C. Dvorak: Our formula is this. We go out for you hit 1447 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:40,290 people in the mouth. 1448 01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:59,490 So I have a clip that confirms something I was brought up a 1449 01:26:59,490 --> 01:27:02,910 couple of years ago. You were never you were all in on this 1450 01:27:02,910 --> 01:27:07,380 too. And this is Steve pathogenic. 1451 01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:09,870 Adam Curry: Hey, what are you doing on my beat with my 1452 01:27:09,870 --> 01:27:10,530 handler? 1453 01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:15,150 John C. Dvorak: Steve magenic. On North Korea Tourism for 1454 01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:18,570 Unknown: the most part, North Korea right now is a country 1455 01:27:18,570 --> 01:27:23,220 waiting to be held. And why do I say that there are beaches there 1456 01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:27,480 on the southeast of North Korea, and they want to open it up and 1457 01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:33,120 make it a tourist attraction by October 2019. And Trump is the 1458 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,930 right person in the right place for the right time in order to 1459 01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:41,280 make that type of deal with Kim Jong on. Now Kim Jong Un knows 1460 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,730 he has to open up North Korea, there are no more missiles, he 1461 01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:47,910 can fire there's no more radiation that he can shoot out 1462 01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:51,390 because it's really not a benefit to North Korea. He knows 1463 01:27:51,390 --> 01:27:55,590 that tourism, primarily by the Chinese last year, I think about 1464 01:27:55,590 --> 01:28:00,600 100,000 Chinese came into the southeast part of North Korea on 1465 01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,960 the beaches was not enough. He wanted to open it up to the 1466 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,530 world. And the way he could do that was to establish a personal 1467 01:28:07,530 --> 01:28:11,460 relationship, what we would call in Chinese Guan chi with 1468 01:28:12,210 --> 01:28:15,240 President Trump because Trump, of course knows how to develop 1469 01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,050 resorts. He knows how to build hotels, and he correctly said, 1470 01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:22,740 Look, whatever happened in the CIA didn't occur under my 1471 01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:26,640 auspices, but nevertheless, I have a very good relationship 1472 01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:31,650 with Kim Jong on. I believe that and I believe that Kim Jong on 1473 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:37,020 will in fact make a deal with Trump. My suspicion is it'll be 1474 01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:41,460 around October of 2019. I could be wrong, but I hope I'm right. 1475 01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:41,940 Oh, 1476 01:28:41,940 --> 01:28:45,960 Adam Curry: is that like an October surprise? I don't know. 1477 01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:48,180 Yeah, of course, it is possible. Right. Right. Before the 1478 01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:49,800 John C. Dvorak: October you want the 1479 01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:53,160 Adam Curry: 2020? October. Right. Right. Right. I'm sorry. 1480 01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:55,560 John C. Dvorak: I think it's also premature. I don't think I 1481 01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,230 think he's not far enough along for that to happen this year. 1482 01:28:58,230 --> 01:28:58,530 But 1483 01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,830 Adam Curry: okay. Now, for those of you who are relatively new to 1484 01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:07,620 the program, my uncle, Don Greg. Yeah, gr E G. G, 1485 01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:09,990 John C. Dvorak: who's listed in Wikipedia, if you want his 1486 01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:11,280 background, the SEC, 1487 01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:15,630 Adam Curry: he's on the Wikis as a high ranking CIA. He's up in 1488 01:29:15,630 --> 01:29:18,990 his late 80s. Now the I don't think he's actually stopped all 1489 01:29:18,990 --> 01:29:22,860 work. But he was ambassador to South Korea after the Iran 1490 01:29:22,860 --> 01:29:26,640 Contra affair where I believe he didn't protect his boss 1491 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:31,050 properly. So off he was to South Korea. But he had been to North 1492 01:29:31,050 --> 01:29:34,620 Korea many many times and we were talking about what was 1493 01:29:34,620 --> 01:29:39,390 happening at the time when you came up with the tourist 1494 01:29:39,390 --> 01:29:44,040 destination. And he confirmed that confirmed absolutely the 1495 01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:50,160 All they want is peace and a true end of the war. We only 1496 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,400 have an armistice there's the war was never officially ended. 1497 01:29:53,970 --> 01:29:56,640 And they would love nothing more than to be a tourist 1498 01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,000 destination. In fact, it was after he tried to talk to the 1499 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,880 The Obama administration and they pretty much just threw him 1500 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,890 right out. And I went out interested in listening to you 1501 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,500 that, that he said to me, sorry. 1502 01:30:11,190 --> 01:30:13,230 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it was it was Greg that they didn't want 1503 01:30:13,230 --> 01:30:14,400 to listen to. I didn't want to get 1504 01:30:14,730 --> 01:30:19,080 Adam Curry: to Uncle Don. He said, Adam, Dennis Rodman 1505 01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:21,690 understands North Korea better than anybody in the entire 1506 01:30:21,690 --> 01:30:26,970 administration. And I think this turns out to be true. That's 1507 01:30:26,970 --> 01:30:27,840 true. Yeah, it seems 1508 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,060 John C. Dvorak: true. Now the one thing they're doing though, 1509 01:30:30,060 --> 01:30:32,730 is that you can tell that they're they're trying to line 1510 01:30:32,730 --> 01:30:35,400 up they have some mountainous areas that were I guess they can 1511 01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:39,570 crispy skiing, and they've got the hotels up there and 1512 01:30:39,570 --> 01:30:41,730 everything ready to go they haven't really have any 1513 01:30:41,730 --> 01:30:44,550 experience with with massive wood. Lots of people, especially 1514 01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:49,020 with lie grouchy, German tourists, let's say, Americans, 1515 01:30:49,290 --> 01:30:53,130 the two worst tourists by most standards, although the Chinese 1516 01:30:53,130 --> 01:30:56,490 are getting up there, and the beaches and all the rest, but 1517 01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:00,030 the one thing that that is never discussed is that giant pageant 1518 01:31:00,030 --> 01:31:03,840 they have every year, North Korea's largest soccer stadium 1519 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,330 in the world. I think it holds on into if you look at large 1520 01:31:06,330 --> 01:31:10,320 stadiums, though, the biggest one is, is a North Korean one. 1521 01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,220 And I think it holds 120 or 140,000. People's huge, and they 1522 01:31:14,220 --> 01:31:18,300 pack a man for this pageant that they have every year. That is 1523 01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:22,530 the most spectacular thing. You can see videos of it. Madeleine 1524 01:31:22,530 --> 01:31:23,850 Albright saw it, 1525 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,680 Adam Curry: she got to witness it. Well, there's tons of 1526 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:26,820 reporters who go 1527 01:31:27,269 --> 01:31:29,549 John C. Dvorak: and a lot of reporters go but the thing about 1528 01:31:29,549 --> 01:31:33,869 this thing is it holds so many people they could do one for 1529 01:31:33,869 --> 01:31:39,719 tourist, and I'm telling you people would pay $1,000 A seat 1530 01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:42,450 Adam Curry: you could do a just like the Main Street Electrical 1531 01:31:42,450 --> 01:31:45,270 Parade at Disneyland. You could do it two times, two times a 1532 01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:45,960 week easy. 1533 01:31:47,070 --> 01:31:48,900 John C. Dvorak: Well, I never thought about doing it more than 1534 01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:52,110 once. Yeah. And and have grown weekly 1535 01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:55,410 Adam Curry: and have grand marshals. Yeah, you know, like, 1536 01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:57,330 John C. Dvorak: oh, Jerry Dubai, me would build up to that 1537 01:31:57,330 --> 01:31:59,190 because people are still skeptical about going to North 1538 01:31:59,190 --> 01:32:03,630 Korea, but I'd go in at the drop of a hat. And, well, there is 1539 01:32:03,660 --> 01:32:08,970 this spectacular display of coordination. And it's just a 1540 01:32:08,970 --> 01:32:10,140 just astonishing thing to say 1541 01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:14,370 Adam Curry: there is yet again, noises coming from Agent Orange 1542 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:19,500 are our Dutch military intelligence guy that the 1543 01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:24,090 opportunity may open up for the show to go to North Korea, but I 1544 01:32:24,090 --> 01:32:26,400 don't think we should we should not go together. That's probably 1545 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:27,330 not a good idea. 1546 01:32:27,719 --> 01:32:29,579 John C. Dvorak: No, it is going to be hard to broadcast from 1547 01:32:29,579 --> 01:32:31,319 there. Well, 1548 01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:34,830 Adam Curry: it because it would be part of some military thing. 1549 01:32:34,830 --> 01:32:39,720 He says that he feels that that may be possible, but not now. If 1550 01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,570 it's hard to broadcast live, then maybe it does make sense 1551 01:32:42,570 --> 01:32:45,870 for us to go together. That'd be the first and only time we ever 1552 01:32:45,870 --> 01:32:48,810 do a show near each other. Yeah, I don't want to break tradition. 1553 01:32:48,930 --> 01:32:52,920 Okay, screw North Korea. No, no, no, no, it's pretty bad when I 1554 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,360 got into you want to ruin the show? 1555 01:32:54,420 --> 01:32:56,010 John C. Dvorak: We'll get the North Korea one way or the 1556 01:32:56,010 --> 01:33:00,660 other. What I've told him you know, my lip Joe so you said 1557 01:33:00,660 --> 01:33:04,050 this was done? Yeah, yeah, I'd love to go to North Korea. What 1558 01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:06,780 Why would you go to them? See that murder is screw North 1559 01:33:06,780 --> 01:33:09,750 Korea. Why would you do this? And these are liberals. So these 1560 01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:12,150 Adam Curry: are guys who used to write for New York Times and 1561 01:33:12,150 --> 01:33:16,290 they've been teachers professors liberal professors liberal. 1562 01:33:20,010 --> 01:33:21,840 Yeah, that's that. Yeah. 1563 01:33:23,610 --> 01:33:26,970 John C. Dvorak: So I've been watching the the action on the 1564 01:33:26,970 --> 01:33:28,050 tanker attack. 1565 01:33:28,380 --> 01:33:30,690 Adam Curry: Yeah, I got a couple of clips on this. 1566 01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:34,620 John C. Dvorak: Well, that's I have a I have a couple of clips 1567 01:33:34,620 --> 01:33:38,220 too. And I didn't I have a clip that actually makes sense. Okay. 1568 01:33:38,730 --> 01:33:41,760 Most of the clips are just you know, hysterical. Not an 1569 01:33:41,790 --> 01:33:43,110 interesting way. I don't know why. 1570 01:33:44,850 --> 01:33:46,740 Adam Curry: They have a BBC background or since I'm over 1571 01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:48,060 here, I thought it might be interesting to get 1572 01:33:48,210 --> 01:33:51,510 John C. Dvorak: a BBC then I'll play mine. And I have the the 1573 01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:57,660 kicker clip is is the from RT, which has a different 1574 01:33:57,660 --> 01:33:59,790 Adam Curry: power. So once again, we have to go outside of 1575 01:33:59,790 --> 01:34:05,250 United States broadcasting to get anything of any use. Here's 1576 01:34:05,250 --> 01:34:05,670 the BBC. 1577 01:34:05,700 --> 01:34:07,830 Unknown: Well, the Iranians are saying it wasn't us. But the 1578 01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:11,130 Americans are saying yes, it was they're blaming Iran for a 1579 01:34:11,130 --> 01:34:16,200 suspected attack on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman. One 1580 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,830 is reported to have been hit by a torpedo. We know that crew had 1581 01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:22,860 to be rescued from both. And we have this video that's been 1582 01:34:22,860 --> 01:34:26,760 released by the Iranian Navy, which shows the Norwegian ship 1583 01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:31,230 the front Altair. It's carrying 75,000 tonnes of a particular 1584 01:34:31,230 --> 01:34:35,070 type of crude oil. And we know the crew reported three 1585 01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:39,000 explosions. That is the Iranian foreign minister saying reported 1586 01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,510 attacks on Japan related tankers occurred when Prime Minister 1587 01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:45,870 Shinzo Abe a was meeting the Ayatollah Khomeini for extensive 1588 01:34:45,870 --> 01:34:49,470 talks. He says suspicious doesn't begin to describe what 1589 01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:54,000 likely transpired this morning now to explain. One of the ships 1590 01:34:54,180 --> 01:34:57,570 certainly is Japanese owned. The other though is owned by Norway, 1591 01:34:57,570 --> 01:35:01,710 so I'm not sure why he's suggesting both related Japan to 1592 01:35:01,710 --> 01:35:05,790 Japan. Either way, Orion has many suspicions. For so to the 1593 01:35:05,790 --> 01:35:07,770 Americans, Here's Mike Pompeo. 1594 01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:11,219 Adam Curry: It is the assessment of the United States government, 1595 01:35:11,849 --> 01:35:14,369 that the Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the 1596 01:35:14,369 --> 01:35:18,359 attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today. This 1597 01:35:18,359 --> 01:35:21,689 assessment is based on intelligence, the weapons used 1598 01:35:22,019 --> 01:35:25,139 the level of expertise needed to execute the operation, and a 1599 01:35:25,139 --> 01:35:28,589 whole bunch of new world order bullshit, recent similar Iranian 1600 01:35:28,589 --> 01:35:31,379 attacks on shipping. And the fact that no proxy group 1601 01:35:31,409 --> 01:35:34,379 operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act 1602 01:35:34,769 --> 01:35:37,169 with such a high degree of sophistication 1603 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,260 Unknown: help us understand what the Iranians are saying thing 1604 01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:41,070 happened here. 1605 01:35:41,519 --> 01:35:44,339 Adam Curry: Well, other than what you you read, which is we 1606 01:35:44,339 --> 01:35:48,839 were set up the idea that the supreme leader was meeting with 1607 01:35:48,839 --> 01:35:52,169 the Prime Minister of Japan as this happened, and given that 1608 01:35:52,169 --> 01:35:57,539 one of the ships was Japan owned, it is creating that sort 1609 01:35:57,539 --> 01:36:01,109 of doubt, even inside Iran, and especially from the point of 1610 01:36:01,109 --> 01:36:06,509 view of the government that this was a an operation to embarrass 1611 01:36:06,509 --> 01:36:12,089 them or or make that trip unsuccessful. However, in that 1612 01:36:12,089 --> 01:36:15,869 very meeting, the Supreme Leader of Iran said that he's not going 1613 01:36:15,869 --> 01:36:20,909 to respond to any message that President United States had sent 1614 01:36:20,909 --> 01:36:24,299 through the Japanese Prime Minister because it was America 1615 01:36:24,299 --> 01:36:28,109 and it this administration in Washington that has violated the 1616 01:36:28,109 --> 01:36:31,769 nuclear deal has brought back sanctions. He even pointed out 1617 01:36:31,769 --> 01:36:35,099 that it right before Prime Minister of Japan's trip to 1618 01:36:35,099 --> 01:36:39,659 Iran, US took another step in sanctioning Iran's petrochemical 1619 01:36:39,659 --> 01:36:45,479 industry, which is huge part of Iran's exports. So it was clear 1620 01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,939 from the Iranian point of view that there was nothing to talk 1621 01:36:47,939 --> 01:36:51,599 about to this administration, as long as they are in violation of 1622 01:36:51,599 --> 01:36:57,059 the deal of UN Security Council to 231. Yet to have this 1623 01:36:57,059 --> 01:37:02,339 incident happen on the very same day, it does give them some 1624 01:37:02,369 --> 01:37:06,269 leeway to at least argue that this seems something far fetched 1625 01:37:06,269 --> 01:37:08,459 from something they would do because there's nothing to be 1626 01:37:08,459 --> 01:37:11,309 gained from it. Yeah, 1627 01:37:11,490 --> 01:37:15,630 John C. Dvorak: that's kind of a long winded similarity to the rt 1628 01:37:15,630 --> 01:37:18,690 report, which is a little tighter. The British like to 1629 01:37:18,690 --> 01:37:22,530 talk. Yeah. But it's a lot different than what we get here. 1630 01:37:22,530 --> 01:37:27,030 This is the CBS report on oil tankers. Okay, sorry about that. 1631 01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:27,450 Here we go. 1632 01:37:27,690 --> 01:37:30,300 Unknown: Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are calling 1633 01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:34,620 for decisive action to protect energy supplies. After two oil 1634 01:37:34,620 --> 01:37:38,250 tankers were attacked this week. President Trump says Iran is to 1635 01:37:38,250 --> 01:37:42,510 blame. Charlie Dagda is in the UAE tonight with the latest. 1636 01:37:43,170 --> 01:37:46,890 The tanker front Altair in flames and adrift is now 1637 01:37:46,890 --> 01:37:50,070 reportedly under tow to the United Arab Emirates. It's 1638 01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:54,120 everything okay. It's 23 crew members rescued by the Iranian 1639 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,860 military and detained are soon headed home to Iran insists it 1640 01:37:58,860 --> 01:38:02,220 had nothing to do with Thursdays back to back attacks on the 1641 01:38:02,220 --> 01:38:06,780 Altair and Japanese tanker kokuka. Courageous despite 1642 01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:10,050 repeated accusations from the Trump administration. 1643 01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:13,170 John C. Dvorak: Well Iran did do it and you know, they did it 1644 01:38:13,170 --> 01:38:16,410 because you saw the boat I guess one of the mines didn't explode 1645 01:38:16,410 --> 01:38:19,320 and it's probably got essentially Iran written all 1646 01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:19,740 over it. 1647 01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:21,870 Unknown: Images from US military phase the 1648 01:38:21,870 --> 01:38:24,360 Adam Curry: president Hi, when he's saying this stuff, what is 1649 01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,670 wrong with him? What is wrong with it? 1650 01:38:26,670 --> 01:38:29,880 Unknown: One of the mines didn't explode. And it's probably got 1651 01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:31,230 essentially Iran written 1652 01:38:31,230 --> 01:38:34,560 all over it. Images from US military officials show a tanker 1653 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:38,160 with a hole blown in its side. And what military officials say 1654 01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:42,360 is an unexploded mine still attached to the hall. Later, the 1655 01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:46,020 US military released this grainy video footage showing what 1656 01:38:46,020 --> 01:38:50,310 appeared to be Iranian forces removing the mind and making off 1657 01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:50,910 with it. Oh, 1658 01:38:50,910 --> 01:38:54,330 Adam Curry: I love the grainy footage, we can see a matchstick 1659 01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:56,490 from space. But oh, grainy footage, 1660 01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,010 Unknown: Germany's Foreign Minister cast doubt on the 1661 01:38:59,010 --> 01:39:03,780 evidence and even the UAE has stopped short of directly naming 1662 01:39:03,810 --> 01:39:12,570 Iran. This has only been possible by a state sponsored 1663 01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:16,800 attacks. Now investigators here will be able to take a closer 1664 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,490 look at one of the crime scenes as the kokuka Courageous arrives 1665 01:39:20,490 --> 01:39:24,960 here just offshore in the coming hours and its contents safely 1666 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,670 transferred to another ship. 1667 01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:30,600 Adam Curry: I would like to remind us of United States 1668 01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:34,770 presidents and these types of operations. Certainly when the 1669 01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:39,570 Neo cons were free flourishing under the Obama administration 1670 01:39:39,570 --> 01:39:46,110 in 2012. This is Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for 1671 01:39:46,110 --> 01:39:51,960 Near East studies, which is a neocon a whole blow the world up 1672 01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,320 Think Tank. Listen to what this guy was saying. I frankly think 1673 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,460 Unknown: that crisis initiation is really tough. And it's very 1674 01:39:59,460 --> 01:40:03,120 hard for me to See how the United States president can get 1675 01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:08,970 us to war with Iran? Which leads me to conclude that if in fact 1676 01:40:08,970 --> 01:40:12,390 compromise is not compelling that the traditional way of 1677 01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:15,930 American American gets to war is what would be best for us 1678 01:40:15,930 --> 01:40:19,500 interest. Some people might think that Mr. Roosevelt wanted 1679 01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:22,110 to get us into World War Two, as David mentioned, you may recall, 1680 01:40:22,110 --> 01:40:24,990 we had to wait for Pearl Harbor. Some people might think Mr. 1681 01:40:24,990 --> 01:40:27,690 Wilson wanted to get us into World War One. You may recall, 1682 01:40:27,690 --> 01:40:30,990 he had to wait for the Lusitania episode. Some people might think 1683 01:40:30,990 --> 01:40:33,390 that Mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam, you may 1684 01:40:33,390 --> 01:40:37,020 recall, we had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode. We 1685 01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:40,800 didn't go to war with Spain until the USS delamain exploded. 1686 01:40:41,220 --> 01:40:44,880 And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could 1687 01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,820 call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which 1688 01:40:47,820 --> 01:40:50,550 is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly 1689 01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:53,400 that thing, which the South Carolinians had said would cause 1690 01:40:53,790 --> 01:40:56,880 attack. So if in fact, the Iranians aren't going to 1691 01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:59,910 compromise, it would be best to somebody else started the war, 1692 01:40:59,970 --> 01:41:03,690 one can combine other means of pressure with sanctions. I 1693 01:41:03,690 --> 01:41:08,400 mentioned that explosion. On August 17, we could step up the 1694 01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,190 pressure. I mean, look, people irradiance submarines 1695 01:41:11,190 --> 01:41:14,490 periodically go down someday one of them might not come up. Who 1696 01:41:14,490 --> 01:41:19,140 would know why we can do a variety of things if we wish to 1697 01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:22,140 increase the pressure. I'm not advocating that. But I'm just 1698 01:41:22,140 --> 01:41:27,960 suggesting that if this is not a either or proposition of you 1699 01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,300 know, it's just sanctions has to be has to succeed or other 1700 01:41:30,300 --> 01:41:34,770 things. We are in the game of using covert means against the 1701 01:41:34,770 --> 01:41:37,650 Iranians. We could get nastier that. 1702 01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:40,050 Adam Curry: So the two things I thought interesting about this 1703 01:41:40,050 --> 01:41:44,730 clip from 2012 is one dimension of Iranian submarines that could 1704 01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:50,190 go down and not come up. And notice how he just skipped over 1705 01:41:50,190 --> 01:41:56,130 911 Is every false flag known to man, even some that disputed in 1706 01:41:56,130 --> 01:41:59,550 the lexicon? There's no 911 things I'm talking about that, 1707 01:41:59,820 --> 01:42:02,100 just skip over that. But that's the 1708 01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:05,490 John C. Dvorak: thinking that recent that's what 25 years 1709 01:42:05,490 --> 01:42:08,520 before the Gulf of Tonkin thing, even though we knew it was a 1710 01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:12,570 fake, got into the news media didn't the news media, they 1711 01:42:12,570 --> 01:42:16,080 dropped the ball for 25 years, maybe longer? 1712 01:42:16,110 --> 01:42:18,210 Adam Curry: Oh, I have a couple more than until 911 can be 1713 01:42:18,210 --> 01:42:19,140 uncovered for real? 1714 01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:22,470 John C. Dvorak: Well, it's got a lot more to go. So that's the 1715 01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:25,140 here's let's hear what Artie has to say. Which is again, very 1716 01:42:25,140 --> 01:42:29,880 similar to the BBC report with a little more. A little a little, 1717 01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:34,440 even though it's a discussion. It's a little break gets to the 1718 01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:35,760 point a little better about what 1719 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,580 Unknown: happened. We have not only the government sources, but 1720 01:42:38,580 --> 01:42:42,300 the media rushing to pin the tail on the designated culprit, 1721 01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:46,410 under circumstances that seem awfully convenient, don't they? 1722 01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:48,900 I mean, here how many people have been saying that the the 1723 01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:52,530 rush to war toward Iran seems to be abating somewhat. We've got 1724 01:42:52,530 --> 01:42:55,350 we've got our be going to Tehran, maybe he's got a message 1725 01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:58,140 from Trump, maybe there's a first step to working things 1726 01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:01,890 out. And then bam, something happens is, you know, it's 1727 01:43:01,890 --> 01:43:04,500 awfully convenient. And you say to yourself, all right, is it 1728 01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:05,190 too convenient. 1729 01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,730 So it's important to point out by the way, that Iran was in the 1730 01:43:08,730 --> 01:43:12,240 midst of high level and friendly meetings with the Japanese Prime 1731 01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:16,440 Minister in and around the time the tanker attacks took place. 1732 01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:21,300 What's I guess most important here is that the tanker was a 1733 01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:25,200 Japanese vessel. And Iran officials asked what sense would 1734 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,870 it make for us to attack a Japanese vessel while we're 1735 01:43:27,870 --> 01:43:31,830 meeting in a friendly confines with Japanese officials. 1736 01:43:32,130 --> 01:43:35,730 Meanwhile, one other note, and this is important, the attack 1737 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:40,320 has sent the price of oil across the globe way, way up. And the 1738 01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:41,550 trend has continued. 1739 01:43:42,660 --> 01:43:45,660 Adam Curry: I have a clip that follows this perfectly from the 1740 01:43:45,660 --> 01:43:50,850 CIA Broadcast Systems. CBS, our old buddy Mike Morel was asked 1741 01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:56,430 to comment, former deputy director and at one point Acting 1742 01:43:56,430 --> 01:43:58,080 Director of the CIA, 1743 01:43:58,230 --> 01:44:01,380 Unknown: how much risk is there of this becoming a military 1744 01:44:01,380 --> 01:44:04,320 conflict? Margaret, I don't think the United States will 1745 01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,920 respond militarily here because we were not attacked directly. 1746 01:44:08,190 --> 01:44:11,250 And I think that would be predicate for the President to 1747 01:44:11,250 --> 01:44:15,300 respond militarily. But I think the risk of conflict is growing. 1748 01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,240 And I think it's growing dangerously. And I think the way 1749 01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,510 it could play out is that one of our allies, the United Arab 1750 01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:25,110 Emirates, or Saudi Arabia, would respond to this attack or 1751 01:44:25,110 --> 01:44:29,460 another attack like it to deter the Iranians. And that would 1752 01:44:29,460 --> 01:44:33,270 escalate into a broader conflict that could draw us in today, 1753 01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:37,110 Iran's top diplomat called the timing of this suspicious, 1754 01:44:37,710 --> 01:44:41,490 trying to distance themselves from it. So why would they go 1755 01:44:41,490 --> 01:44:45,030 through with an attack? They are under a tremendous amount of 1756 01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:47,670 pressure because of the sanctions that we've put on 1757 01:44:47,670 --> 01:44:51,480 them, their economy is suffering. Their response here 1758 01:44:51,930 --> 01:44:55,980 is to try to get the rest of the world to put pressure on us to 1759 01:44:55,980 --> 01:44:59,880 ease up and they want to do that by raising oil prices in 1760 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,230 creating an atmosphere of a risk of war. I think it ultimately 1761 01:45:04,260 --> 01:45:07,500 backfires on them. Margaret and they ended up more isolated. 1762 01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:12,660 John C. Dvorak: Hmm. This is bull this guy. He's not the guy 1763 01:45:12,660 --> 01:45:15,540 you want to be doing this stuff with. He's not a good actor. No. 1764 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,190 And and he doesn't make a lot of sense. What he said made zero 1765 01:45:20,190 --> 01:45:23,610 sense. It doesn't he just he accent the accent he acts. He 1766 01:45:23,610 --> 01:45:26,100 didn't say, right. What was that thing always says 1767 01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:29,430 Adam Curry: he uses it. Right? Right. Right. Right. He's off of 1768 01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:32,310 that. Maybe he fixed that. Well, maybe somebody finally said, 1769 01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:33,660 bro, stop that. 1770 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,120 John C. Dvorak: Right, bro. I'm saying right. 1771 01:45:36,270 --> 01:45:39,270 Adam Curry: right all the time. But do we have an example of him 1772 01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:40,950 doing that? Probably. He 1773 01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:44,850 John C. Dvorak: is not pulling this off very well. It's the 1774 01:45:44,850 --> 01:45:47,700 whole thing makes no sense. I think if he would have stayed 1775 01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:49,650 there. The other thing is you if you're going to make these kinds 1776 01:45:49,650 --> 01:45:55,080 of done and Cohen tell points. You want to do it with just 1777 01:45:55,110 --> 01:45:59,790 finding one good point. And he point was was kind of made for 1778 01:45:59,790 --> 01:46:03,420 the RT report. And he morale made it but he didn't make it 1779 01:46:03,420 --> 01:46:07,230 strongly enough, which is, well, it's obvious that the Iranians 1780 01:46:07,230 --> 01:46:11,040 are trying to do they're hurting for money they make as they make 1781 01:46:11,070 --> 01:46:13,950 most of their money still by selling oil under the table at a 1782 01:46:13,980 --> 01:46:17,580 discounted rate, right. So let's jack up the price of oil by 1783 01:46:17,610 --> 01:46:21,450 sending a few missiles at these tankers. It'll jack up the price 1784 01:46:21,450 --> 01:46:24,540 of oil we'll get we'll get out of debt. It's just it's just a 1785 01:46:24,540 --> 01:46:28,890 money grab. If you just go with that. I think you've solved it. 1786 01:46:28,890 --> 01:46:32,280 You the Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Uh huh. And then you kind 1787 01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:35,040 of just, you know, just move the argument around a little bit. 1788 01:46:35,070 --> 01:46:37,290 Adam Curry: But how but how long did the price actually spiked? 1789 01:46:37,290 --> 01:46:38,880 And it come down again, isn't it isn't? 1790 01:46:39,540 --> 01:46:42,840 John C. Dvorak: I think it's still spike. Not. It's not spike 1791 01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:46,440 never spiked. It started moving up. I mean, it's a different 1792 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:47,910 than moving up and a spike. 1793 01:46:47,940 --> 01:46:51,030 Adam Curry: Right. And well, the thing is, I mean, no matter 1794 01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:54,270 what, if you're on the inside of these types of operations, it's 1795 01:46:54,270 --> 01:46:57,780 a moneymaker. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, if we had known, 1796 01:46:59,250 --> 01:47:04,260 hey, you're going to make a big deal about some Japanese ship by 1797 01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:07,500 a couple calls in oil, or whatever the instrument 1798 01:47:07,890 --> 01:47:09,060 John C. Dvorak: you're using. There's all kinds of ways of 1799 01:47:09,060 --> 01:47:11,730 doing it. Let's see what the price up all kinds 1800 01:47:11,730 --> 01:47:13,290 Adam Curry: of ways that we never do. It is what you're 1801 01:47:13,290 --> 01:47:14,040 trying to tell me. 1802 01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:18,030 John C. Dvorak: Well, last was 5251. But that's 1803 01:47:18,060 --> 01:47:21,420 Adam Curry: Oh, I thought I thought it went up to 60. Plus, 1804 01:47:22,230 --> 01:47:26,460 John C. Dvorak: I think that was Brent. Oh, it's two guys oil and 1805 01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:29,640 the cheesier. One is cheaper. The 1806 01:47:30,180 --> 01:47:33,120 Adam Curry: what's the cheap crude, crude oil? Why is it 1807 01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:33,960 cheesy? 1808 01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:36,420 John C. Dvorak: It's because you got to sell a lot of sulfur and 1809 01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:42,090 it has to be treated. Just cheesy oil. But it's what most 1810 01:47:42,090 --> 01:47:43,770 oil is not that great stuff. 1811 01:47:44,130 --> 01:47:46,410 Adam Curry: But knew what no one ever talks about is what is to 1812 01:47:46,410 --> 01:47:51,360 become of Iran. Once we go full rubber like 1813 01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:53,760 John C. Dvorak: Fletcher clip plant 1814 01:47:55,620 --> 01:47:58,650 Adam Curry: as it was to become from Iran, when we go we go full 1815 01:47:58,650 --> 01:48:03,990 carbon neutral. Well, 1816 01:48:04,740 --> 01:48:06,930 John C. Dvorak: they they themselves believe that their 1817 01:48:06,930 --> 01:48:10,170 oil is a short term thing, because they're they want to do 1818 01:48:10,170 --> 01:48:13,470 and they claim this I don't believe I do believe I do 1819 01:48:13,470 --> 01:48:16,650 believe that they are building bombs where they want to build 1820 01:48:16,650 --> 01:48:22,770 bombs, but they want to build nuclear power plants. Yeah. And 1821 01:48:22,770 --> 01:48:25,770 so to Saudi Arabia, actually. And then some of them I guess it 1822 01:48:25,770 --> 01:48:30,180 was one of the country's I think it's one of the sand Baron 1823 01:48:30,180 --> 01:48:34,200 countries there. They put up these giant solar arrays that 1824 01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:37,410 are massive, and it just covering a bunch of truly 1825 01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:39,660 lifeless desert. 1826 01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:45,240 Unknown: Gentleman, it is time to run. 1827 01:48:49,500 --> 01:48:54,090 John C. Dvorak: Anyway, so the on the other news front, well, 1828 01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:58,290 then we shall be good to catch up on Yeah. Is Assange? 1829 01:48:59,340 --> 01:49:04,830 Adam Curry: Ah, yes. I guess the extra extradition order was was 1830 01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:05,490 signed? 1831 01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:08,940 John C. Dvorak: I'm not absolutely sure it was signed. 1832 01:49:08,940 --> 01:49:15,120 But I do have some interesting clips on again from RT. So 1833 01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:19,080 Julian Assange sorry. I would the first one is the got two of 1834 01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,420 them. So you want you don't want to thought you went Julian 1835 01:49:21,420 --> 01:49:24,600 Assange or the Rick Sanchez and a rundown with a kicker. 1836 01:49:24,690 --> 01:49:27,480 Unknown: So Julian Assange appeared in court today for what 1837 01:49:27,480 --> 01:49:32,790 may very well be one of the most important legal decisions of our 1838 01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:38,220 time on trial is the notion that a country in this case our 1839 01:49:38,250 --> 01:49:42,960 country, can reach out anywhere in the world and arrest someone 1840 01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:46,560 for writing something saying something or publishing 1841 01:49:46,590 --> 01:49:49,560 something, it does not what decimated 1842 01:49:51,150 --> 01:49:53,280 John C. Dvorak: now, he said this, he's supposed to say 1843 01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:54,300 disseminated, 1844 01:49:54,330 --> 01:49:58,110 Adam Curry: he said decimated and he stupidly said decimated, 1845 01:49:58,140 --> 01:49:59,760 kind of fits in the odd way. 1846 01:50:01,380 --> 01:50:05,220 John C. Dvorak: It does fit in our way but it's a it was a kick 1847 01:50:05,220 --> 01:50:07,530 out of hearing it because he never corrected himself longer. 1848 01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,950 So he's obviously just reading like a robot if you're not 1849 01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:13,590 listening to yourself, anyway it goes on he brings in Chris 1850 01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:17,100 Hedges they kind of lefty Pulitzer Prize winning 1851 01:50:17,100 --> 01:50:19,980 journalist is really a good journalist, but he's, you know, 1852 01:50:20,010 --> 01:50:26,370 very compromised by by his left wing leanings thoughts on 1853 01:50:26,490 --> 01:50:31,410 killing kill. I said thoughts on Julian Assange on RT with hedges 1854 01:50:31,410 --> 01:50:32,370 Sanchez clip. 1855 01:50:33,420 --> 01:50:35,880 Unknown: You know, I've been following part of the arguments 1856 01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,280 from the United States and they're saying something about 1857 01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:40,710 that it has nothing to do with him being someone who 1858 01:50:40,710 --> 01:50:42,960 disseminates or publishes information. And then it has 1859 01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,120 more to do with the fact that it was espionage and that he 1860 01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:51,660 cracked some kind of code. Can you get Can you put some clarity 1861 01:50:51,660 --> 01:50:54,630 behind what the United States is saying about this code that he 1862 01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:59,010 apparently cracked and what Assange his side is saying about 1863 01:50:59,010 --> 01:50:59,370 this? 1864 01:51:00,210 --> 01:51:02,460 Right? Well, that goes back to the issue I just spoke about it 1865 01:51:02,460 --> 01:51:09,570 was an attempt to essentially bypass the security the password 1866 01:51:09,570 --> 01:51:14,130 and security so that Chelsea Manning could cover her tracks. 1867 01:51:14,130 --> 01:51:17,670 So it wasn't clear that it was Chelsea Manning breaking in and, 1868 01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:25,410 and downloading these documents. The the charges under the 1869 01:51:25,410 --> 01:51:30,090 Espionage Act are just frankly, legally bizarre. Julian Assange 1870 01:51:30,090 --> 01:51:35,520 is not an American citizen. He's an Australian citizen. And at 1871 01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:39,180 one point, before Lenin Moreno revoked his citizenship. He was 1872 01:51:39,180 --> 01:51:43,530 an Ecuadorian citizen. WikiLeaks is not a US based publication. 1873 01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:49,020 And so the legal precedent that this sets is, number one that 1874 01:51:49,020 --> 01:51:54,330 anyone who publishes classified material. It can be subject to 1875 01:51:54,330 --> 01:51:57,510 the Espionage Act as recent editorials in the New York Times 1876 01:51:57,510 --> 01:52:00,450 The Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post correctly 1877 01:52:00,570 --> 01:52:05,520 pointed out But secondly, that any journalist any where in the 1878 01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:13,350 world that in the eyes of the United States violates security 1879 01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:16,890 can be seized and carted back to the United States for trial 1880 01:52:17,220 --> 01:52:20,400 Adam Curry: Mall. Yeah, that's why China decided to do the same 1881 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,590 thing like tit for tat everybody was 1882 01:52:24,570 --> 01:52:27,240 John C. Dvorak: correlation I wanted to make Yeah, China and 1883 01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,720 their SP, you know, their extradition laws into Hong Kong, 1884 01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:33,270 which have some clips of because that seems to be falling apart, 1885 01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:37,260 is doing the same thing. They're just copying our lead. 1886 01:52:37,559 --> 01:52:40,829 Adam Curry: And there's nothing wrong with it. We're number one, 1887 01:52:40,829 --> 01:52:41,309 baby. 1888 01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:44,670 John C. Dvorak: So Chris Hedges on espionage. He continues by 1889 01:52:44,670 --> 01:52:47,880 discussing the chilling effect of the Espionage Act and the 1890 01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:51,510 spread his problems. And I think, you know, the fact that I 1891 01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:55,410 have to go to RT to get this opinion, and even though we can 1892 01:52:55,410 --> 01:52:59,040 do these opinions ourself, is kind of pathetic, that the 1893 01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,580 American media doesn't do something about or make a bigger 1894 01:53:02,580 --> 01:53:06,360 stink about this Chris Hedges on espionage, Espionage Act 1895 01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:06,990 problems, 1896 01:53:07,019 --> 01:53:09,299 Unknown: right. And I have to say this began under the Obama 1897 01:53:09,299 --> 01:53:14,399 administration with the misuse of the Espionage Act, a 1917 act 1898 01:53:14,399 --> 01:53:18,059 passed by Woodrow Wilson, which was the equivalent of the 1899 01:53:18,059 --> 01:53:23,519 British foreign Secrets Act, ie, it is about giving classified or 1900 01:53:23,519 --> 01:53:26,699 top secret information to a hostile power. That's what it 1901 01:53:26,699 --> 01:53:29,339 was designed for. It wasn't designed to shut down 1902 01:53:29,429 --> 01:53:34,439 whistleblowers, Obama. It had been used three times, including 1903 01:53:34,469 --> 01:53:38,009 unsuccessfully against Daniel Ellsberg. Obama used it nine 1904 01:53:38,009 --> 01:53:41,459 times against a for instance, Edward Snowden and others, John 1905 01:53:41,459 --> 01:53:46,439 chiriaco. And, and that had a huge chilling effect. Because 1906 01:53:46,469 --> 01:53:48,959 all of those people with a conscience within the systems of 1907 01:53:48,959 --> 01:53:53,309 power, that traditionally I had had the courage to reach out to 1908 01:53:53,309 --> 01:53:58,589 journalists and expose abuses of power No longer did so because 1909 01:53:58,589 --> 01:54:01,049 number one, of course, they're they know they're monitored. We 1910 01:54:01,049 --> 01:54:03,719 now know from Snowden, they're completely monitored, but also 1911 01:54:03,719 --> 01:54:07,559 because they knew how they would be charged. And this is really 1912 01:54:07,559 --> 01:54:12,959 compounding that problem. It will now if Julian is extradited 1913 01:54:12,959 --> 01:54:17,669 to the United States, if he is charged under the Espionage Act, 1914 01:54:17,669 --> 01:54:20,909 although as I mentioned, he's not a US citizen. This is going 1915 01:54:20,909 --> 01:54:26,969 to send a very ominous message to publications like The New 1916 01:54:26,969 --> 01:54:30,719 York Times and others, that you better not try this. I really 1917 01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:36,419 fear that it could drop a kind of iron curtain between the 1918 01:54:36,419 --> 01:54:41,159 public and the inner workings of power. I think it 1919 01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:45,780 Adam Curry: bears worth repeating what Botanik said 1920 01:54:45,780 --> 01:54:49,530 about this, since he is my official handler, and we did 1921 01:54:49,530 --> 01:54:55,830 this and what, two weeks ago, just to refresh your memory on 1922 01:54:55,830 --> 01:55:00,540 November 1 of 2016. We had never heard of botanic But I played 1923 01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:01,140 this clip. 1924 01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:04,500 Unknown: So we initiated a counter coup through Julian 1925 01:55:04,500 --> 01:55:08,520 Assange, who has been very brave, and again, really quite 1926 01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:13,620 formidable in his, and his ability to come forth and 1927 01:55:13,620 --> 01:55:18,450 provide all the necessary emails that we gave to him in order to 1928 01:55:18,450 --> 01:55:23,190 undermine Hillary and Bill Clinton. Again, America, were 1929 01:55:23,190 --> 01:55:27,000 going through a major, major transition, and quite frankly, a 1930 01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:28,890 second American Revolution. 1931 01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:33,300 Adam Curry: And when I asked him, What are we doing? He's 1932 01:55:33,300 --> 01:55:39,630 very brave. We, we the big we gave him the emails to eliminate 1933 01:55:39,630 --> 01:55:43,170 Hillary and Bill Clinton, what are we going to do when we 1934 01:55:43,170 --> 01:55:46,650 extradite him? And the answer that came back was the 1935 01:55:46,650 --> 01:55:50,220 extradition is under will go he will go to a military court 1936 01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:55,020 where he will be sent home and set free under quote, special 1937 01:55:55,020 --> 01:56:00,000 circumstances which the military does not have to disclose. And 1938 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,440 I'm gonna take his word for it. 1939 01:56:03,420 --> 01:56:07,020 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I know that happening is not going to 1940 01:56:07,050 --> 01:56:11,340 change the fact that this still will have a chilling effect on 1941 01:56:11,340 --> 01:56:16,230 the media. The agreed agreed agreed, bringing the guy back 1942 01:56:16,230 --> 01:56:19,740 and making you know, making a fuss about him and then saying 1943 01:56:19,740 --> 01:56:22,080 this is going to happen to you too. If you do anything like 1944 01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:26,610 this. It still has it's it's still works and and the fact 1945 01:56:26,610 --> 01:56:32,130 that Obama did this night use the this Espionage Act nine 1946 01:56:32,130 --> 01:56:35,940 times is act as completely dead letter launch and even be on the 1947 01:56:35,940 --> 01:56:38,730 books, including the one he mentioned, the one guy that 1948 01:56:38,730 --> 01:56:42,840 Curie I can never pronounce his name. That guy was an NSA won't 1949 01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:43,440 care, acute 1950 01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:46,650 Adam Curry: care Q Kirakira. Curious, curious, went to jail, 1951 01:56:46,650 --> 01:56:47,580 the guy went to jail. 1952 01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:52,980 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Big Five of whistleblowers from the NSD 1953 01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:59,160 out of the NSA who kept seeing wrongdoing. And nobody would 1954 01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,590 listen to course they have to always there's mechanisms, you 1955 01:57:01,590 --> 01:57:04,530 can go and you can tell your boss and then he'll report it. 1956 01:57:04,530 --> 01:57:10,170 And then the bad. The bad people will be you know, scolded 1957 01:57:10,980 --> 01:57:15,390 doesn't work. So we went, you know, blew it out and took it to 1958 01:57:15,390 --> 01:57:18,750 the media. Anyway, so it's a problem. 1959 01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,560 Adam Curry: Well, not a problem for us. Now. Well, we 1960 01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:23,730 John C. Dvorak: just No, not really. 1961 01:57:24,420 --> 01:57:25,530 Adam Curry: We're just a podcast. 1962 01:57:25,740 --> 01:57:28,080 John C. Dvorak: We're not doing we're doing analysis. We don't 1963 01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:31,140 do or we don't find documents, and then expose them. 1964 01:57:31,860 --> 01:57:35,490 Adam Curry: Well, we get lots of information from people. That's 1965 01:57:35,490 --> 01:57:40,440 for sure. And we need more of that. But never I've never 1966 01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:46,140 received any documents, so to speak of anything good. Anything 1967 01:57:46,140 --> 01:57:53,310 worthwhile to go short? No, for sure. So just back to Iran for a 1968 01:57:53,310 --> 01:57:57,120 second. And when I hear the President talk like that, the 1969 01:57:57,120 --> 01:58:01,770 heat, it's that's gotta be just total crap. He knows this is 1970 01:58:01,770 --> 01:58:03,270 bullshit. He knows it. 1971 01:58:04,110 --> 01:58:08,850 John C. Dvorak: He's sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I still got 1972 01:58:08,850 --> 01:58:12,090 Bolton working in there, which is the disappointing part. 1973 01:58:12,510 --> 01:58:14,790 Adam Curry: Because that guy's trigger happy and dangerous with 1974 01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:19,320 Pompeo. I put Pompeo there to both of them, but as a 1975 01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:22,110 negotiation, because he does talk about oh, yeah, and I'm 1976 01:58:22,110 --> 01:58:24,300 ready to negotiate with them. We'll talk anytime they want to 1977 01:58:24,300 --> 01:58:30,390 talk. That seems to be kind of the way he does it. But what 1978 01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:34,470 really happened, if this was a if they tried to do a Gulf of 1979 01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:38,970 Tonkin, or Lusitania, or any of these witches the interestingly 1980 01:58:38,970 --> 01:58:43,320 a lot of these quote unquote false flags involve ships. What 1981 01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:49,290 the hell kind of lame op was this? And these ships didn't 1982 01:58:49,290 --> 01:58:56,040 sink in an explode in a ball of fire. That they've been tucked 1983 01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,530 back to wherever you know, that didn't sink. 1984 01:59:01,020 --> 01:59:02,730 John C. Dvorak: With something we have to think about 1985 01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:06,750 Adam Curry: a torpedoes here's a torpedo at torpedo strike a fear 1986 01:59:06,750 --> 01:59:07,500 that torpedo 1987 01:59:07,500 --> 01:59:09,510 John C. Dvorak: everyone's pulled back on the torpedo. 1988 01:59:09,540 --> 01:59:12,360 Okay, now they're like little, you know, little missiles or 1989 01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:16,680 something coming and hitting the sides of the boat. The torpedo 1990 01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:20,430 theory was debunked I think because somebody was on the deck 1991 01:59:20,430 --> 01:59:22,230 and saw the missiles coming in 1992 01:59:23,010 --> 01:59:25,200 Adam Curry: missiles Yeah. 1993 01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:28,740 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Where the if you look at the ship, they 1994 01:59:28,740 --> 01:59:32,520 had the tube dents in the side. Yeah. Those are for missiles. 1995 01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:36,390 Somebody shot some low grade missile and bounced along the 1996 01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:39,000 water just above the waterline and hit the boat. 1997 01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:42,540 Adam Curry: He's more like a like a starter pistol 1998 01:59:43,470 --> 01:59:45,780 John C. Dvorak: and missiles. Remember those missiles the 1999 01:59:45,780 --> 01:59:48,810 French had these missiles that were used to sink some boats 2000 01:59:48,810 --> 01:59:53,730 during the Falkland Islands wars. I don't recall. I can't 2001 01:59:53,730 --> 01:59:55,770 remember the name said someone in the chat room which will 2002 01:59:55,770 --> 01:59:59,250 remain remember the name of these anti ship missiles 2003 01:59:59,790 --> 02:00:03,180 Adam Curry: all I think the missiles I think the exact quote 2004 02:00:03,180 --> 02:00:08,910 was called Flying Objects well not quite the same as a missile 2005 02:00:09,420 --> 02:00:12,810 John C. Dvorak: yeah it is. It can be through a rocket somebody 2006 02:00:12,810 --> 02:00:13,830 it's a missile that's also 2007 02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:16,560 Adam Curry: a flying Okay. All right. All right then good. I 2008 02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:23,190 gotcha. Gotcha. You get my point though. Thing is land that 2009 02:00:23,190 --> 02:00:24,960 John C. Dvorak: what kind of flying object would be a couple 2010 02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,360 of seagulls with bombs attached I mean, I just don't understand 2011 02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:27,690 let's look 2012 02:00:27,690 --> 02:00:29,310 Adam Curry: at it from it. Let's look at it from a different 2013 02:00:29,310 --> 02:00:33,030 perspective and I'll give you a reason to fire Bolton and Pompeo 2014 02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:40,620 this fail outright fail in Venezuela, 2015 02:00:40,650 --> 02:00:42,690 John C. Dvorak: who was designed to do nothing more than raised 2016 02:00:42,690 --> 02:00:45,000 the price of oil it didn't okay 2017 02:00:45,540 --> 02:00:47,940 Adam Curry: that was that was what we what we came up with on 2018 02:00:47,940 --> 02:00:51,390 the last show but but you know the President's Oh yes. Is 2019 02:00:51,390 --> 02:00:54,690 whether this was an attack. These guys are failing left and 2020 02:00:54,690 --> 02:00:58,200 right Venezuela what happened in Venezuela? Did that just end 2021 02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:02,520 everything is hunky dory don't hear about it anymore. Do we 2022 02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:06,540 take over or we run in the place is a 2023 02:01:07,230 --> 02:01:09,390 John C. Dvorak: grinder you're saying I see what you're where 2024 02:01:09,390 --> 02:01:12,090 you're headed you're headed with did the whole thing so 2025 02:01:12,090 --> 02:01:18,900 incompetent completely fire and fire these Boneheads? Yeah, 2026 02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:23,250 there's no gonna sink a ship I'm gonna show my mood by donating 2027 02:01:23,250 --> 02:01:26,430 to no agenda Imagine all the people who could do that oh 2028 02:01:26,430 --> 02:01:27,300 yeah, that'd be fun 2029 02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:38,760 Well, we do have a few people to thank for show them 47 And we do 2030 02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:42,840 have some call outs for some dads guy you want off the top 2031 02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:46,320 here which is Sir John the brewer came in with $194.70 for 2032 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:55,470 same base St. Louis Mississippi. And He is father Jack was born 2033 02:01:56,100 --> 02:02:00,840 in 1947 He doesn't listen to the show but well wishes anyway need 2034 02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:05,310 to update my night moniker as I'm no longer brewing. Sir John, 2035 02:02:05,310 --> 02:02:09,480 the brewer is now sir Rocket Man Baron at the bay. Oh, 2036 02:02:09,510 --> 02:02:12,000 Adam Curry: let me just make sure he's Yes. He's on the title 2037 02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:13,650 change lifts. Yeah, 2038 02:02:13,950 --> 02:02:15,780 John C. Dvorak: he's no longer brewing. No, 2039 02:02:15,780 --> 02:02:16,830 Adam Curry: he's Rocket Man. 2040 02:02:17,940 --> 02:02:19,080 John C. Dvorak: The heck Well, it 2041 02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:21,780 Adam Curry: could be good for us. Maybe we we 2042 02:02:23,070 --> 02:02:24,540 John C. Dvorak: used to get beer from now we're gonna get a 2043 02:02:24,540 --> 02:02:24,960 rocket. 2044 02:02:24,990 --> 02:02:27,300 Adam Curry: I don't know. We'll get some rocket info for sure. 2045 02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:31,140 John C. Dvorak: You know, maybe know what it was. I read these 2046 02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:33,570 you look over and see if there's any dads who call out I think 2047 02:02:33,570 --> 02:02:35,490 there wasn't a couple instances where, 2048 02:02:35,849 --> 02:02:38,369 Adam Curry: since we tend to is a pretty short list. I do want 2049 02:02:38,369 --> 02:02:43,439 to read a few of these. Peter White, who is the Jubu. Now we 2050 02:02:43,439 --> 02:02:48,809 met the Jubu at at the London meetup. And he's a Jewish 2051 02:02:48,809 --> 02:02:52,799 Buddhist, which is why it's called the Jubu. And his $108, 2052 02:02:52,799 --> 02:02:56,429 he says is a very sacred powerful donation. Of course we 2053 02:02:56,429 --> 02:02:59,789 know now that 18 is a Jewish sacred offering number combined 2054 02:02:59,789 --> 02:03:04,079 with six the number that manifest intention and ideas in 2055 02:03:04,079 --> 02:03:10,619 the physical world is 108 by this offering, by offering this 2056 02:03:10,919 --> 02:03:17,879 3.3 point 3.2 point two May the guardians of reality be 2057 02:03:17,879 --> 02:03:20,699 empowered to continue their vital deconstruction work and 2058 02:03:20,699 --> 02:03:25,529 many be hit in the mouth. I understood most of that. But 2059 02:03:25,529 --> 02:03:31,019 otherwise, thank you very much Jubu. Appreciate it. Like Judy. 2060 02:03:31,079 --> 02:03:32,009 Just sounds funny. 2061 02:03:32,820 --> 02:03:36,600 John C. Dvorak: Gwendolyn Adams comes in next $103.15 And she 2062 02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:41,460 has a note Yeah. Hello, gentlemen. Congrats Adam and 2063 02:03:41,460 --> 02:03:44,790 Tina like to wish my longtime loving baby daddy Bill Happy 2064 02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:49,050 Father's Day. Like my donation account towards his eventual 2065 02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,890 tight ledge. Don't forget I shouldn't mention this because 2066 02:03:52,890 --> 02:03:56,130 we're seeing more and more people discussing these these 2067 02:03:56,220 --> 02:04:01,020 movements of money. As if we we account for it, you can track 2068 02:04:01,050 --> 02:04:04,980 Yeah, you do your accounting. If you want to designate so much of 2069 02:04:04,980 --> 02:04:09,720 your donation to bill then you just do that when when it comes 2070 02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:13,020 around time for him to be knighted or whatever he becomes. 2071 02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:17,400 When he was first she were they two of them went to the first 2072 02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:19,740 meetup in Sarasota two weeks ago and had a great time. It was 2073 02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:23,670 three ladies and several dudes named Ben, of course. Mostly 2074 02:04:23,670 --> 02:04:27,870 Bucha dudes named Ben. She says in parents, everyone agree we 2075 02:04:27,870 --> 02:04:30,360 should do it again. And hopefully we will I suppose I 2076 02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:32,490 should call out the other listeners that aren't attending 2077 02:04:32,490 --> 02:04:39,960 their own meetups as douchebags. Right? Oh, oh, oh, oh, boy. 2078 02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:44,490 Something douchebag short circuit ladies and gentlemen, 2079 02:04:44,490 --> 02:04:47,190 let me see if I can snag Deutsche Bank short circuit. 2080 02:04:47,219 --> 02:04:49,199 Adam Curry: Well, let's see if I can fix this. What's going on 2081 02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:53,969 here? Let me say I fixed it. 2082 02:04:54,630 --> 02:04:57,180 John C. Dvorak: Finally. I'm closing. Thank you for your hard 2083 02:04:57,180 --> 02:05:01,320 work as always informative and we would love to go to a Miss 2084 02:05:01,350 --> 02:05:06,150 Florida meet up to me, Matt in Brighton and she came in with 2085 02:05:06,150 --> 02:05:09,210 $103.15. Matt in Brighton. 2086 02:05:09,420 --> 02:05:15,150 Adam Curry: Oh, yes, Matt gave us an empty envelope during the 2087 02:05:15,150 --> 02:05:19,440 meetup Yeah. And this is he says is filling the empty envelope I 2088 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,140 gave Adam matter Brighton. Thank you for your courage. Appreciate 2089 02:05:22,140 --> 02:05:22,260 it 2090 02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:27,120 John C. Dvorak: cute. Gregory McGregor in Madrid Spania 2091 02:05:27,540 --> 02:05:34,800 $100.01 Does he have a dead here? He's got some two year old 2092 02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,650 son former Jingle All you want to do is karma for his wife. 2093 02:05:37,650 --> 02:05:40,080 We'll put that at the end for Yes for sure. So a shout out to 2094 02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:49,560 all producers in Spain. Donald Gogan 9999 newsletter called 2095 02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:54,270 donation Father's Day no Dame Bang Bang ah yes my smokin hot 2096 02:05:54,270 --> 02:05:56,790 husband sir de Slammer Happy Father's Day and a happy 2097 02:05:56,790 --> 02:06:00,690 birthday on June 28 He's one of the guys who monitors the 2098 02:06:00,690 --> 02:06:05,370 newsletter and where it shows up and what mailbox so he comes 2099 02:06:05,370 --> 02:06:09,000 with this last one it came in did last May mailing was weird 2100 02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:13,170 because he came in to set it was went to the regular box. Yeah, 2101 02:06:13,170 --> 02:06:17,160 and there was a lot of kickback a lot of you know Auto Replies 2102 02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:19,380 when there's more than three of those I know that the newsletter 2103 02:06:19,380 --> 02:06:20,160 went out and did 2104 02:06:20,700 --> 02:06:22,800 Adam Curry: okay, he's a canary in the coal mine 2105 02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:26,490 John C. Dvorak: was one of them. Every single other monitor I 2106 02:06:26,490 --> 02:06:29,490 have and there's about five of six of them. They all said it 2107 02:06:29,490 --> 02:06:33,960 went into promotions. Cash Yes, the total of the thing is 2108 02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:34,950 completely baffling. 2109 02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:38,250 Adam Curry: So he says I wish to lose my smoking husband sir DH 2110 02:06:38,250 --> 02:06:41,250 Slammer Happy Father's Day and a happy birthday on June 18 We I 2111 02:06:41,250 --> 02:06:43,920 think I think we congratulated him on the last show for that as 2112 02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:47,790 well. PR some boobs for your special day which he saying to 2113 02:06:48,270 --> 02:06:53,340 to sur DH Slammer not to us. Sadly, love you mean it oh eight 2114 02:06:53,340 --> 02:06:56,700 a love you mean it can I get a boobs ballpark jingoism gold 2115 02:06:56,700 --> 02:06:57,150 karma? 2116 02:06:59,820 --> 02:07:01,290 John C. Dvorak: She's the Baroness of the Central 2117 02:07:01,290 --> 02:07:06,630 California coast. Yeah, what? Ingrown boobs boobs ballpark. 2118 02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:15,390 No, I'm gonna say granted con vai 808 For my dad Ron. George 2119 02:07:15,420 --> 02:07:21,960 coonass 70 Oh, his wishes that happy? Father's Day Trevor 2120 02:07:21,990 --> 02:07:25,020 Naismith. The inventor of basketball 2121 02:07:26,940 --> 02:07:30,570 Adam Curry: douchebag call out for Uncle Uncle barber or 2122 02:07:30,570 --> 02:07:34,500 Barber. You've been listening for years add some value for 2123 02:07:34,500 --> 02:07:38,940 value the show got you through enough multiple deployments. N 2124 02:07:38,940 --> 02:07:43,290 KNKWTG. N 2125 02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:48,870 John C. Dvorak: No karma, karma and with t g 2126 02:07:48,990 --> 02:07:50,400 Adam Curry: n. And will 2127 02:07:50,430 --> 02:07:55,590 John C. Dvorak: karma and we should know 969. 2128 02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:57,990 Adam Curry: No, this we should know this. I don't know what. 2129 02:07:59,250 --> 02:08:03,990 John C. Dvorak: We will figure it out. Eric spun seller 6666 2130 02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:10,830 Black Knight. Zeke the black No. Black Knight of the SIR lineman 2131 02:08:10,860 --> 02:08:17,700 of the net Raleigh hawk. YES. Anna Illinois. 6611. James 2132 02:08:17,700 --> 02:08:19,650 Duranty 6161. 2133 02:08:19,740 --> 02:08:22,470 Adam Curry: And he wishes us a happy Father's Day and to his 2134 02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:27,780 dad. Happy Father's Day dad to my dad John and to myself, ITM. 2135 02:08:27,810 --> 02:08:29,430 Yes, thank you, sir. Daddy 2136 02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:33,510 John C. Dvorak: cast 6160 He wishes a Happy Father's Day to 2137 02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:38,100 crackpot buzzkill in THE Producers. Pops. Dave David 2138 02:08:38,100 --> 02:08:42,990 Ritchie 6133 Happy Father's Day everyone. Show 1139 was 2139 02:08:42,990 --> 02:08:47,370 outstanding. Was 1139 resent we've never had this feedback 2140 02:08:47,370 --> 02:08:53,250 before and 1139 Ryan Brady $58 from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 2141 02:08:53,250 --> 02:08:55,650 honor of his late father liked to have loved listening to you 2142 02:08:55,650 --> 02:08:59,820 guys. Miguel Lopez in Flanders, New Jersey. 50 678 Happy 2143 02:08:59,820 --> 02:09:02,700 Father's Day to my dad Tony Lopez. 11 lease 2144 02:09:02,910 --> 02:09:06,750 Adam Curry: 1139 Was your interview show? Oh 2145 02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:12,570 John C. Dvorak: Lisgar back in Springfield, Pennsylvania. 5510 2146 02:09:12,570 --> 02:09:16,560 for my dad Jimmy. Now we got a lot of dads and I was Yeah, 2147 02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:18,450 Adam Curry: I think we were kind of off there. A lot of people 2148 02:09:18,450 --> 02:09:19,380 love their dads. 2149 02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:22,620 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, I'm sorry, I said otherwise. Sure. 2150 02:09:22,620 --> 02:09:29,250 Milkman, the 5150 year old our dear grandpa passed away two 2151 02:09:29,250 --> 02:09:34,260 weeks ago. He's a loving father and stepfather to our dad. 2152 02:09:35,580 --> 02:09:39,960 Patrick Gus or Patrick Coble. They're in Murphysboro. 51, they 2153 02:09:39,990 --> 02:09:44,700 are nearby 5136 Happy Father's Day to my dad. And to all the 2154 02:09:44,700 --> 02:09:48,630 producers that are dads to some travel karma as I head back from 2155 02:09:48,630 --> 02:09:51,900 the London meetup. What a great group of people and I think they 2156 02:09:51,900 --> 02:09:56,280 will be doing it again. It was more difficult. It was more 2157 02:09:56,280 --> 02:09:59,670 difficult tasks to pay for almost everyone's tab. Oh, she 2158 02:09:59,670 --> 02:10:00,360 was a able to 2159 02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:04,110 Adam Curry: does Patrick wind up paying for everybody. 2160 02:10:04,590 --> 02:10:07,470 John C. Dvorak: That's what it sounds like. She does that he 2161 02:10:07,470 --> 02:10:07,740 has 2162 02:10:07,950 --> 02:10:12,930 Adam Curry: this guy. He is a true gem of a human resource. 2163 02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:16,530 What a great guy the Earl of Tennessee Sir Patrick Coble, 2164 02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:17,790 thank you so much great. 2165 02:10:17,790 --> 02:10:20,430 John C. Dvorak: It is quite entertaining to talk to. I was 2166 02:10:20,430 --> 02:10:23,760 able to treat a lot of people with drinks which was fun. Thank 2167 02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:27,300 you both for everything you do for this community after going 2168 02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:30,450 to now four different meetups Nashville, Sacramento train 2169 02:10:30,450 --> 02:10:33,960 museum, Des Moines and London. It is clear you're all building 2170 02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:37,920 a community of similar thinking people that may not all agree 2171 02:10:37,980 --> 02:10:41,460 but can deconstruct news and have different opinions without 2172 02:10:41,460 --> 02:10:49,650 getting upset. That's correct. Matthew Smith $51 In the UK, sir 2173 02:10:49,650 --> 02:10:54,120 Jackson in level in Texas 5050 As I do a Father's Day call it 2174 02:10:54,120 --> 02:11:01,410 for my dad, Dan Butler, my grandpa Harold Harold quarter 2175 02:11:01,410 --> 02:11:04,560 and my father in law sent dos karma for all the fathers out 2176 02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:08,250 there but that again, John Campion antlers Oklahoma 50 The 2177 02:11:08,250 --> 02:11:11,130 following people are $50 donors name and location if possible. 2178 02:11:11,460 --> 02:11:14,520 Sir Jackson was in level in Texas John campers and antlers 2179 02:11:14,520 --> 02:11:22,590 Oklahoma Chris. Serena? I'm thinking cat can Tanya 50 Parts 2180 02:11:22,590 --> 02:11:31,050 Unknown Dame Beth. Dame Karen Sal soar. To serve Bradley Sal 2181 02:11:31,050 --> 02:11:36,240 sir best dad in the universe from dame's Karen John Haller in 2182 02:11:36,240 --> 02:11:40,020 Missoula, Montana. Keith Yarborough in Austin, Texas. 2183 02:11:40,710 --> 02:11:47,520 Pete snakes are Amsterdam sir. Sir pate sir pate. Sir Chris 2184 02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:51,450 Lewinsky for that matter in Sherwood, Alberta, once the 2185 02:11:51,450 --> 02:11:55,980 richest place in Canada. And last but not least Oliver Reich 2186 02:11:56,130 --> 02:11:59,820 in South San Francisco, California who should come to 2187 02:11:59,820 --> 02:12:01,560 one of our meetups when we do them around here. Let's see what 2188 02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:04,170 else we have here. Then might we have a Father's Day call from 2189 02:12:04,170 --> 02:12:08,640 Melissa? To our best dads by hooking the best dads I know my 2190 02:12:08,640 --> 02:12:14,520 smokin hot best boyfriend Mark Stewart. We have a birthday from 2191 02:12:14,520 --> 02:12:15,720 one guy. Let's see we can we have 2192 02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:20,190 Adam Curry: Matt Matthew funk? I think he's saying Happy Father's 2193 02:12:20,190 --> 02:12:23,820 Day to Bob PhoneCopy. Bakersfield. Lisa Stelter, Happy 2194 02:12:23,820 --> 02:12:27,900 Father's Day to Paul from Lisa, Amelia and Sammy and our soon to 2195 02:12:27,900 --> 02:12:33,240 be new human resource, Olivia. And let me scroll down. I think 2196 02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:38,520 that's what we have. Yeah, one of one of our producers sent me 2197 02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:44,550 an email. And I wish that let me see if I could find this. It was 2198 02:12:44,550 --> 02:12:49,170 a it was a happy it was a happy Dad, if Happy Father's Day card 2199 02:12:49,170 --> 02:12:53,400 from his 15 year old. And it said and he sent me a picture of 2200 02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:56,640 it. His Happy birthday to the best dad in the universe, 2201 02:12:56,670 --> 02:12:59,580 according to the Muller report. I mean, that's it. That's 2202 02:12:59,580 --> 02:13:00,420 a cool kid. 2203 02:13:02,370 --> 02:13:06,510 I like that a lot. It's very funny. Well, that's it. 2204 02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:09,930 John C. Dvorak: That's our group of well wishers. And Father's 2205 02:13:09,930 --> 02:13:12,390 Day greeters. There'll be some carryover in the next show on 2206 02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:15,300 Thursday. I'm sure a few people came in late with some well 2207 02:13:15,300 --> 02:13:18,120 wishes for their father. And we'll put the put that on the 2208 02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:22,500 next show. So just stay tuned, you will not be forgotten. Yeah, 2209 02:13:22,500 --> 02:13:22,920 that's 2210 02:13:23,190 --> 02:13:25,350 Adam Curry: it. All of the donations and support of the 2211 02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:28,770 show are always appreciated. And I think it is pretty clear that 2212 02:13:30,540 --> 02:13:33,450 the producers love dads more than moms, I can't help it. It's 2213 02:13:33,450 --> 02:13:38,040 just as to what it is. I'm having to agree with you. That's 2214 02:13:38,040 --> 02:13:40,530 what it seems to be. We of course, 2215 02:13:40,980 --> 02:13:42,300 John C. Dvorak: always get to that. 2216 02:13:43,260 --> 02:13:47,490 Adam Curry: Get gypped no poor moms in Egypt. We do appreciate 2217 02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:50,910 everyone's support of the show, including those under $50, which 2218 02:13:50,910 --> 02:13:53,250 is often for reasons of anonymity. We did a couple of 2219 02:13:53,250 --> 02:13:55,380 them today because they specifically called out the dads 2220 02:13:55,380 --> 02:13:58,020 for Happy Father's Day. And Happy Father's Day to you, John 2221 02:13:58,020 --> 02:14:00,420 might as well just say that while we're Happy Father's Day 2222 02:14:00,420 --> 02:14:05,400 to you. Thank you very much. And oh, good news. Podcast. 2223 02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:09,390 licensed.com seems to be resolved. I think that we're 2224 02:14:09,390 --> 02:14:11,790 getting that back up and running. So those of you who 2225 02:14:11,790 --> 02:14:14,940 have a boarding pass that should be working again and I should be 2226 02:14:14,940 --> 02:14:17,520 able to work on the backlog to get some of those boarding 2227 02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:19,440 passes setup if you don't know exactly what we're talking 2228 02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:21,420 about. There's many ways to support the show. If you want to 2229 02:14:21,420 --> 02:14:23,460 find out all the different ways you can go to 2230 02:14:23,580 --> 02:14:27,180 Unknown: vote.org/and A. 2231 02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:29,610 Adam Curry: Then find out everything you need to know 2232 02:14:29,610 --> 02:14:32,310 about it and we'll have another show on Thursday coming to you 2233 02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:35,790 from a bar to go at least half of the show and as requested. We 2234 02:14:35,790 --> 02:14:37,020 need a couple of karmas 2235 02:14:38,610 --> 02:14:42,780 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs. 2236 02:14:56,670 --> 02:15:00,120 Adam Curry: Really only have two today is the 16th of June. In 2237 02:15:00,120 --> 02:15:05,400 2019 you Oh VAs turns 33 Tomorrow the magic number and we 2238 02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:08,550 might as well say happy birthday again that to Sir d h Lambro. 2239 02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:11,730 Who will be supposed celebrating on the 18th of June happy 2240 02:15:11,730 --> 02:15:14,970 birthday for us and everybody here at the best podcast in the 2241 02:15:14,970 --> 02:15:15,780 universe 2242 02:15:19,980 --> 02:15:27,090 Unknown: gather around reduce is we all think your brothers and 2243 02:15:27,090 --> 02:15:35,610 sisters again and some of them night some of them are tied up 2244 02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:41,580 Adam Curry: two title changes on deck today and that is often 2245 02:15:41,580 --> 02:15:46,020 because of the upgrade in status with another $1,000 supported 2246 02:15:46,020 --> 02:15:50,010 the show Sir John the brewer and now become sir Rocket Man Baron 2247 02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:54,240 of the bay. Congratulations is Sir Dave becomes vi count of 2248 02:15:54,240 --> 02:15:58,320 America's heartland and Saudi Arabia and thank you also for 2249 02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:02,790 your support quick list of our look at our meetups. Now this 2250 02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:06,300 just came in I don't think is listed yet on no agenda 2251 02:16:06,300 --> 02:16:11,190 meetup.com By the way, is there? Is it just me? Are we missing a 2252 02:16:11,190 --> 02:16:16,200 place on no agenda? meetups.com To add a report and photos of 2253 02:16:16,200 --> 02:16:19,710 how it went? Seems like that's something that should that 2254 02:16:19,710 --> 02:16:23,250 belongs there. Don't you think? She'd be able to upload an idea? 2255 02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:26,640 Yeah, upload the picture. Yeah, then we'll ask me if she can 2256 02:16:27,090 --> 02:16:32,910 talk to the team over no agenda. meetups.com So June 28. That'll 2257 02:16:32,910 --> 02:16:41,070 be next. What is it? Next week, Salem, Oregon. That's Friday the 2258 02:16:41,070 --> 02:16:47,130 28th local 33 South will be hosting a meeting so that should 2259 02:16:47,130 --> 02:16:52,440 be a no agenda meetup.com today hopefully. Then also July 4, 2260 02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:56,130 Seattle, Washington July 9, Knoxville, Tennessee the 13th 2261 02:16:56,130 --> 02:16:59,970 Atlanta Georgia and to on July 28, southwest London into effect 2262 02:16:59,970 --> 02:17:05,040 again also Buffalo New York find out all of the meetups in your 2263 02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:09,810 area or start one yourself by going to no agenda meetups.com 2264 02:17:09,810 --> 02:17:13,320 And thank you all for your courage in supporting the 2265 02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:17,370 program. PC Magazine hates us 2266 02:17:18,780 --> 02:17:22,500 John C. Dvorak: well there was that they never put us on their 2267 02:17:22,530 --> 02:17:25,710 top podcasts list. Now my advice to people I 2268 02:17:25,710 --> 02:17:27,540 Adam Curry: mean let me just explain what we're talking about 2269 02:17:27,540 --> 02:17:34,740 because no one understands it. They have the best podcasts for 2270 02:17:34,740 --> 02:17:40,380 2019 podcasts offer you a great way to pass the time whether 2271 02:17:40,380 --> 02:17:44,610 you're commuting working or relaxing check out our staff 64 2272 02:17:44,610 --> 02:17:49,530 favorite podcasts in eight categories and we're not listed 2273 02:17:49,530 --> 02:17:49,980 anywhere 2274 02:17:50,400 --> 02:17:53,790 John C. Dvorak: no of course not. Now I would do if you 2275 02:17:53,790 --> 02:17:57,240 notice the the author of that article leaves his email address 2276 02:17:57,240 --> 02:18:00,630 there. And all the email addresses for everybody on PC 2277 02:18:00,630 --> 02:18:03,510 Magazine is the same as first name underlying last name Ben 2278 02:18:03,510 --> 02:18:08,220 more PC mag dot and more. Yes benmore Ben Ben more something 2279 02:18:08,220 --> 02:18:11,790 Yes, kid looks like he's a young millennial probably never heard 2280 02:18:11,790 --> 02:18:16,320 of us ever. And yeah, just write him a note saying hey, you know, 2281 02:18:16,320 --> 02:18:19,290 you should maybe write him maybe a couple of notes. 2282 02:18:20,010 --> 02:18:22,620 Adam Curry: Well, they actually say it actually says right here 2283 02:18:22,620 --> 02:18:28,560 in the in the article it says our collection is just a small 2284 02:18:28,560 --> 02:18:30,870 sampling of podcasts though. There are certainly many more 2285 02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:34,440 quality ones out there. If your favorite is not on the list, let 2286 02:18:34,440 --> 02:18:35,730 us know in the comments. 2287 02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:38,910 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, you should do that too. And I 2288 02:18:38,940 --> 02:18:40,920 guarantee they will no, no. 2289 02:18:41,430 --> 02:18:42,540 Adam Curry: There's one comment. 2290 02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:46,440 John C. Dvorak: No Jenny racist magazine from or 2291 02:18:47,100 --> 02:18:50,610 Adam Curry: there's one comment from Kevlar Oddish editor Kevlar 2292 02:18:50,610 --> 02:18:53,190 editor. The no agenda show should be on this list. There 2293 02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:58,620 you go. That's the no agenda nation. Thank you guys. We get 2294 02:18:58,620 --> 02:18:59,490 no respect. 2295 02:19:01,170 --> 02:19:05,460 John C. Dvorak: Well, yeah, well, it's mostly you know, the 2296 02:19:05,460 --> 02:19:09,510 problem is that these these podcast bullcrap podcasts are 2297 02:19:09,510 --> 02:19:14,220 ones that are largely repurposed. NPR shows that not a 2298 02:19:14,220 --> 02:19:20,220 podcast. Yeah. Michael Savage is actually doing a podcast. He's 2299 02:19:20,220 --> 02:19:23,280 been kinda kicked off the air for some reason. It started with 2300 02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:24,900 W ABC in New York got 2301 02:19:24,900 --> 02:19:26,910 Adam Curry: kicked off by Ben Ben Shapiro. 2302 02:19:27,660 --> 02:19:31,920 John C. Dvorak: Shapiro. Yes, taken over Shapiro's a neocon 2303 02:19:31,980 --> 02:19:35,220 pretty much a Trump hating neocon who just puts up with 2304 02:19:35,220 --> 02:19:39,750 Trump so he doesn't get hate mail. And it's really serious. 2305 02:19:39,750 --> 02:19:42,540 This only reason he does it. And if you remember, he's the one 2306 02:19:42,540 --> 02:19:46,020 who did the setup with the Lewinsky. They got Lewinsky fire 2307 02:19:46,020 --> 02:19:51,990 where that girl was manhandled by Oh Toski or whatever is the 2308 02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:52,890 Lewandowski is his 2309 02:19:52,890 --> 02:19:56,820 Adam Curry: name. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. hurting me. 2310 02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,040 John C. Dvorak: And then you watch the video and you can see 2311 02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:01,260 nothing came up. was bullcrap. 2312 02:20:01,290 --> 02:20:03,540 Adam Curry: And then she tweeted a picture of her wrist was 2313 02:20:03,540 --> 02:20:04,230 bruised. 2314 02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:07,080 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And then yeah, you'd make apple do that, 2315 02:20:07,080 --> 02:20:09,930 by the way, good makeup. You know how you use makeup, you can 2316 02:20:09,930 --> 02:20:13,290 make anything look bruised. So you got a picture. And so 2317 02:20:13,500 --> 02:20:17,310 Shapiro got all bent out of shape and because Breitbart knew 2318 02:20:17,310 --> 02:20:22,110 this was a scam or bullcrap. And so he got bent out of shape and 2319 02:20:22,110 --> 02:20:25,710 said, Oh my god, I'm quitting. I'm quitting Breitbart. I'm 2320 02:20:25,710 --> 02:20:28,530 gonna go. We're gonna start our own magazine ad. It was 2321 02:20:28,530 --> 02:20:32,310 obviously in the works. The Daily Caller guy. Yes, yes. He 2322 02:20:32,310 --> 02:20:34,950 went over there. And that's where he created his podcast, 2323 02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:38,040 which became a radio show, and I'm not gonna say he's not a 2324 02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:41,640 decent broadcaster. I mean, he's, he's not the best I've 2325 02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:44,190 ever heard. But he's, he's professional enough that he can 2326 02:20:44,190 --> 02:20:48,690 do it. And, but he's still a truck, you know? And he was a 2327 02:20:48,690 --> 02:20:55,380 Trump hater all along. And now he relents. he relents because 2328 02:20:55,380 --> 02:20:58,230 he was just what's his choice? He's got no other choice. He's 2329 02:20:58,230 --> 02:21:02,460 got to fall in line with one of these Democrats are no good. So, 2330 02:21:03,090 --> 02:21:07,200 but he's a neocon of sorts. And I don't trust him. 2331 02:21:08,820 --> 02:21:12,930 Adam Curry: You know, the keeper used to listen to him a lot. And 2332 02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:18,090 she actually kind of got turned off by his transitions to adds 2333 02:21:18,420 --> 02:21:22,200 to it. She said, so it's jarring. It's so jarring. I 2334 02:21:22,230 --> 02:21:25,410 John C. Dvorak: know some blacks Yeah, could not move and he 2335 02:21:25,410 --> 02:21:25,680 can't 2336 02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:30,750 Adam Curry: even say I mean, his segways are so dorm dorky. And 2337 02:21:30,750 --> 02:21:33,840 then it's before you know it like what is it just yelling at 2338 02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:37,170 you with an ad now apparently, I think she stopped listening 2339 02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:41,880 because of that. Because of the odd. Those. Yeah, just jarring. 2340 02:21:41,880 --> 02:21:42,750 She said jarring. 2341 02:21:43,289 --> 02:21:45,509 John C. Dvorak: It is jarring. He's not good at that. And it's 2342 02:21:45,509 --> 02:21:48,719 a that's a certain skill that he doesn't have. 2343 02:21:50,040 --> 02:21:53,250 Adam Curry: But he clearly has an audience of hot chicks. 2344 02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:58,980 John C. Dvorak: Maybe, no, I'm pretty sure I'm reasoning. He's 2345 02:21:58,980 --> 02:22:03,210 He's some women consider him to be a handsome, fast talker. 2346 02:22:03,240 --> 02:22:06,330 Adam Curry: There you go. Quick on the Draw. 2347 02:22:08,490 --> 02:22:09,930 John C. Dvorak: He's definitely a guy you wouldn't want to get 2348 02:22:09,930 --> 02:22:14,160 into an argument with because he is quick witted. Very quick. 2349 02:22:16,260 --> 02:22:19,680 Adam Curry: See? Oh, yes. I've been holding on to this for a 2350 02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:25,860 bit here. And let's see we have some green New Deal stuff. What 2351 02:22:25,860 --> 02:22:30,630 did I Oh, yeah. California. It's very interesting. Uber iOS. 2352 02:22:30,780 --> 02:22:36,840 Yeah. You know, California, is now trying to, and there's 2353 02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:43,530 reasons for this is trying to cement into the psyche, that 2354 02:22:43,560 --> 02:22:52,650 hydropower, ie water is not renewable energy. They don't 2355 02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:56,580 yeah, they don't want it to count as renewable energy. Where 2356 02:22:56,610 --> 02:22:59,520 I think it's just like sun and wind. Isn't it kind of the 2357 02:22:59,520 --> 02:23:01,950 definition of renewable energy? 2358 02:23:02,520 --> 02:23:05,460 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you put a dam up and it fills up and water 2359 02:23:05,460 --> 02:23:08,760 goes through the dam and grace it lectricity It rains fills the 2360 02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:12,990 dam up goes through. Yeah, it's very renewable. So the college 2361 02:23:12,990 --> 02:23:15,030 did less renewable than sunshine. 2362 02:23:15,180 --> 02:23:17,250 Adam Curry: Well, here, here's where here's what becomes 2363 02:23:17,250 --> 02:23:21,960 important. I'm sorry, important, important. It becomes important, 2364 02:23:22,290 --> 02:23:27,390 where they have targets to hit, you know, by 2030 60% of all 2365 02:23:27,390 --> 02:23:30,660 electricity in California a needs to come from renewable 2366 02:23:30,660 --> 02:23:34,200 sources. So does this mean that they're trying to get more money 2367 02:23:34,200 --> 02:23:37,470 into wind and solar and say, Oh, no, that doesn't count. You 2368 02:23:37,470 --> 02:23:41,250 can't say that. That's part of our 60% more money into wind and 2369 02:23:41,250 --> 02:23:45,630 solar, whereas I think hydropower is without question. 2370 02:23:46,020 --> 02:23:47,160 Very effective. 2371 02:23:49,170 --> 02:23:52,260 John C. Dvorak: Well, they've been taken some dams out. Now 2372 02:23:52,260 --> 02:23:54,660 brother, and they did that in Washington State too. They 2373 02:23:54,660 --> 02:23:55,980 screwed up some area that 2374 02:23:56,280 --> 02:24:00,150 Adam Curry: why why why are they taking the dams out the fish 2375 02:24:00,180 --> 02:24:02,190 John C. Dvorak: to fish are having trouble getting all the 2376 02:24:02,190 --> 02:24:06,120 Adam Curry: fish? Well, here's the Doofus of the Week clip from 2377 02:24:08,400 --> 02:24:15,600 that true doe your candid Navion PM. This is virtue signaling 2378 02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:19,410 gone wrong where he is asked about what he's really doing to 2379 02:24:19,410 --> 02:24:23,190 conserve and to to be a part of you know, not ruining the 2380 02:24:23,190 --> 02:24:24,480 environment you 2381 02:24:24,480 --> 02:24:30,210 Unknown: and your family do to cut back on plastics. We, we 2382 02:24:30,210 --> 02:24:34,320 have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of 2383 02:24:34,500 --> 02:24:39,720 water out of when we have water bottles out of a plastic sorry, 2384 02:24:39,870 --> 02:24:45,480 away from plastic towards paper. Like drink box, water bottles 2385 02:24:45,480 --> 02:24:46,920 sort of things. There's there's a number 2386 02:24:49,890 --> 02:24:55,890 Adam Curry: of Drink, drink box, water, drink box, water bottles 2387 02:24:55,920 --> 02:25:00,630 type of things. You want to get that one again. because it's so 2388 02:25:00,630 --> 02:25:02,340 good the beauty of you and 2389 02:25:02,340 --> 02:25:08,190 Unknown: your family do to cut back on plastics we we have 2390 02:25:08,310 --> 02:25:12,810 recently switched to drinking water bottles out of water out 2391 02:25:12,810 --> 02:25:18,060 of when we have water bottles out of a plastic sorry away from 2392 02:25:18,060 --> 02:25:23,640 plastic towards paper like drink box water models sort of things 2393 02:25:23,640 --> 02:25:28,650 Adam Curry: there's big box water drinks bog water bottle 2394 02:25:28,650 --> 02:25:32,310 thing kind of for him please say well we don't use plastic we are 2395 02:25:32,310 --> 02:25:35,850 we're we're good. We're good to the environment. That's virtue 2396 02:25:35,850 --> 02:25:37,530 signaling gone wrong, ladies and gentlemen. 2397 02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:42,600 John C. Dvorak: Was Yeah, to epic fail. Yes. Drew, what do 2398 02:25:42,690 --> 02:25:45,600 you what name would show me a picture one of these drink box 2399 02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:46,290 water thing. 2400 02:25:50,520 --> 02:25:56,220 Adam Curry: So the FCC is, is working on some tactics here 2401 02:25:56,220 --> 02:26:03,180 regarding 5g, which is probably worth looking at. Now we know 2402 02:26:03,180 --> 02:26:08,640 that as 5g rolls out, there's a whole bunch of issues with where 2403 02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:12,990 we're going to place where we where the the microwave 2404 02:26:12,990 --> 02:26:17,700 transmitters are going to be placed. And already we have 2405 02:26:18,450 --> 02:26:22,410 municipalities are in what's passing laws, they want to make 2406 02:26:22,410 --> 02:26:25,710 sure that you know there's not too much money can be spent and 2407 02:26:25,710 --> 02:26:31,530 the network's are looking for ways, easy ways to pay people 2408 02:26:31,530 --> 02:26:36,330 with properties to put up antennas basically. And there's 2409 02:26:36,510 --> 02:26:40,380 there's an acronym for it. It's Oh tarde, which I like a lot o 2410 02:26:40,380 --> 02:26:41,670 tard. Everybody, it turns 2411 02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:43,830 Unknown: out the Federal Communications Commission, the 2412 02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:49,050 FCC has an old rule called the O tard rule, which stands for over 2413 02:26:49,050 --> 02:26:52,740 the air reception device. The rule was adopted as part of the 2414 02:26:52,740 --> 02:26:57,570 1996 Telecommunications Act, and it prohibits any local authority 2415 02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:00,150 or private landlord from restricting the right of 2416 02:27:00,150 --> 02:27:03,300 homeowners or tenants to install a satellite dish or other 2417 02:27:03,300 --> 02:27:08,040 antenna to receive video signals back in 2002. In response to the 2418 02:27:08,040 --> 02:27:11,490 fast growing internet, the FCC changed the wording of this rule 2419 02:27:11,490 --> 02:27:15,570 to include transmitting antennas as well as receiving antennas. 2420 02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:19,620 But even then, the antenna had to be primarily for use by the 2421 02:27:19,620 --> 02:27:23,700 tenant or homeowner, the Oh tarde rule has never ever 2422 02:27:23,790 --> 02:27:27,690 applied to transmitting antennas intended to send signals to 2423 02:27:27,720 --> 02:27:31,290 other people in the neighborhood. Until now, the FCC 2424 02:27:31,290 --> 02:27:34,380 has quietly proposed a change in the O tarde rule that would 2425 02:27:34,380 --> 02:27:38,460 cover what they call hubs. This would allow any homeowner to 2426 02:27:38,460 --> 02:27:42,330 have a 5g wireless antenna installed on his property. And 2427 02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:46,080 according to the FCC, and power consumers to help bring 2428 02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:49,830 competitive wireless broadband to their community by hosting 2429 02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:53,190 hub sites. Yeah, since the attendance will be on private 2430 02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:56,790 property, there will be no hearing no notice, no 2431 02:27:56,790 --> 02:28:00,570 opportunity to object. You might not even know about it. Unless 2432 02:28:00,570 --> 02:28:03,030 of course you had a meter to measure the radiation. 2433 02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:05,760 Adam Curry: So this is concerning that your neighbor 2434 02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:08,820 can now put one at will when the rule changes your neighbor could 2435 02:28:08,820 --> 02:28:16,140 put up a hob and be the rule. Sorry, stop the rule. Yeah, who 2436 02:28:16,170 --> 02:28:17,820 that but they're all for the rule. 2437 02:28:19,290 --> 02:28:22,680 John C. Dvorak: It's a dumb rule. Now let's start you get 2438 02:28:22,680 --> 02:28:25,920 Did you This is now i Very irked about this by the way. 2439 02:28:26,190 --> 02:28:29,190 Adam Curry: I thought I'm glad you are. So 2440 02:28:29,220 --> 02:28:31,920 John C. Dvorak: do you. So I have one of these five G 2441 02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:37,230 repeaters in my roof. For the beam down on my neighbor's 2442 02:28:37,230 --> 02:28:40,770 Adam Curry: let's say yes to fry get paid. Yes. Yeah, you'll get 2443 02:28:40,770 --> 02:28:43,920 paid so much. I don't know. Yeah, but I'm sure handsomely. 2444 02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:47,910 John C. Dvorak: I know you get paid handsomely. If you have a 2445 02:28:47,910 --> 02:28:52,110 giant cell tower with a whole bunch of antennas and radios on 2446 02:28:52,110 --> 02:28:55,410 the you've seen this, there's a bookstore if you one of the most 2447 02:28:55,410 --> 02:28:59,640 famous bookstores in Detroit, that is an old used bookstore 2448 02:28:59,640 --> 02:29:04,110 that's like six seven storeys high of all the maybe taller of 2449 02:29:04,110 --> 02:29:07,950 just a fantastic collection of old books. And it's everyone in 2450 02:29:07,950 --> 02:29:10,950 Detroit knows this place is very famous. And I've always wondered 2451 02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:13,260 how they ever make a living it because all the good old 2452 02:29:13,260 --> 02:29:16,980 bookstores like homes in Oakland for example, had been shut down 2453 02:29:16,980 --> 02:29:19,560 because it really didn't nobody buys books, nobody gives a shit. 2454 02:29:19,980 --> 02:29:24,180 But then I saw on the roof they have a huge antenna array. 2455 02:29:24,330 --> 02:29:28,710 They're making all their money you know by selling their roof 2456 02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:32,400 to the cell phone guys and they make a lot of money. I think you 2457 02:29:32,400 --> 02:29:35,070 get paid a fortune for every one of these towers like 10 grand a 2458 02:29:35,070 --> 02:29:35,370 month. 2459 02:29:35,430 --> 02:29:38,490 Adam Curry: Oh really? Oh, that's pretty damn good. Well, I 2460 02:29:38,490 --> 02:29:40,770 John C. Dvorak: and there was a number floating around I can't 2461 02:29:40,770 --> 02:29:44,160 remember it but if you're gonna put this thing in your house and 2462 02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:47,430 you're gonna be sitting there as a as a stool pigeon, stupid 2463 02:29:47,430 --> 02:29:51,930 transmitter, you better get paid a grand or two. Yeah. They want 2464 02:29:51,930 --> 02:29:52,710 what they can't afford it. 2465 02:29:52,770 --> 02:29:57,000 Adam Curry: But regardless, you'll be called an O tard. And 2466 02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:00,900 just like the name, I just, we got all kinds Hamza tardes. And 2467 02:30:00,900 --> 02:30:04,050 I'm happy that we you know, if you're all this is just a new no 2468 02:30:04,050 --> 02:30:07,770 agenda rule, if you're all in on 5g, you're an O tard. 2469 02:30:09,900 --> 02:30:12,090 John C. Dvorak: I've advised people I have one of these 2470 02:30:12,120 --> 02:30:15,660 getting some of these signal processing load the VI handheld 2471 02:30:15,660 --> 02:30:18,150 devices, you just have two of them. You should have one that 2472 02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:21,420 does radio frequency and it can sense all these frequencies 2473 02:30:21,420 --> 02:30:22,830 around so you can see if you gotta 2474 02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:24,840 Adam Curry: hear what's going on a spectrum analyzer. What do you 2475 02:30:24,840 --> 02:30:28,620 have? Yes, exactly. Which we did, which was a little handy. I 2476 02:30:28,620 --> 02:30:31,680 want to know what you have. So we can we can offer these I have 2477 02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:33,870 John C. Dvorak: to go I kind of lost it in the house. But 2478 02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:38,460 Adam Curry: don't worry, it's under some recipes somewhere 2479 02:30:38,460 --> 02:30:38,970 it's around. 2480 02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:41,970 John C. Dvorak: The other one is a everyone's I was looking at 2481 02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,430 this because I was watching some guy floating around on one of 2482 02:30:44,430 --> 02:30:47,400 his YouTube videos with his little Geiger counter. And he 2483 02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:49,800 had the brand he showed the guy who kind of looked up the brands 2484 02:30:49,800 --> 02:30:52,680 and his Geiger counter cost $1,000 Low expensive I started 2485 02:30:52,680 --> 02:30:56,910 looking into Amazon for Geiger counters and there's some pretty 2486 02:30:56,910 --> 02:31:00,750 cheap Geiger counters you can get that are apparently are 2487 02:31:00,750 --> 02:31:01,530 quite good. 2488 02:31:01,650 --> 02:31:03,810 Adam Curry: But what does it respond to? It responds to 2489 02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:08,550 plutonium or uranium or any any any radiation you should I have 2490 02:31:08,550 --> 02:31:11,490 one of those old those old school world war two yellow 2491 02:31:11,490 --> 02:31:12,150 ones. 2492 02:31:12,180 --> 02:31:14,040 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, those are great. Does it have the probe or 2493 02:31:14,040 --> 02:31:16,650 not? Like it doesn't have low 2494 02:31:16,650 --> 02:31:18,870 Adam Curry: pro, but it does, it does have a probe? 2495 02:31:19,590 --> 02:31:21,720 John C. Dvorak: Oh, well, that probably still works, because 2496 02:31:21,720 --> 02:31:25,500 it's a Geiger tube, which is what the probe is. But you can 2497 02:31:25,500 --> 02:31:29,220 buy these little Geiger tubes. And you put one on your phone, 2498 02:31:29,310 --> 02:31:32,760 and it works with like, I think Apple has some software. So you 2499 02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:35,610 can put the Geiger tube on your on your Apple phone, and then 2500 02:31:35,610 --> 02:31:39,390 you can turn it on and run as software. Oh, we have one of 2501 02:31:39,390 --> 02:31:43,410 these, which we should sell remediation sneak Yes. Oh, tar 2502 02:31:43,410 --> 02:31:46,860 detectors. But this wouldn't be for Oh tardes. That's the other 2503 02:31:46,860 --> 02:31:50,370 thing. You need the RF frequency analyzer for that. Okay. But 2504 02:31:50,370 --> 02:31:52,500 just the devices, everyone should have a couple of these, 2505 02:31:52,500 --> 02:31:54,510 you should have two of these devices. You have an RF 2506 02:31:54,870 --> 02:31:57,720 frequency analyzer and you should have a handheld Geiger 2507 02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:00,420 counter. And you should just check stuff you don't know 2508 02:32:00,449 --> 02:32:03,839 Adam Curry: everybody needs one. Listen up people. You need one 2509 02:32:03,839 --> 02:32:09,389 of these frequency analyzer, spectrum analyzer and an Geiger 2510 02:32:09,389 --> 02:32:11,789 counter Geiger counter. How can you live without it? We should 2511 02:32:11,789 --> 02:32:16,889 be selling iodine. Just the thought, No, 2512 02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:19,860 John C. Dvorak: I didn't know about that. I'm not getting that 2513 02:32:19,860 --> 02:32:23,580 far off. Topic. Well, let's take a look. Here's a couple of dumb 2514 02:32:23,580 --> 02:32:27,420 stories. Oh, no. Let's go back to the politics. So this is a 2515 02:32:27,420 --> 02:32:30,540 classic and this is two people presenting the story. This is 2516 02:32:30,900 --> 02:32:34,380 this is just killing me. Kellyanne Conway and the Hatch 2517 02:32:34,380 --> 02:32:38,040 Act that got two clips. Let's start with the PBS version. 2518 02:32:39,870 --> 02:32:42,690 Unknown: The White House today dismissed a call to fire 2519 02:32:42,690 --> 02:32:46,920 presidential aide Kellyanne Conway, the US Office of Special 2520 02:32:46,920 --> 02:32:50,910 Counsel unrelated to Special Counsel Robert Muller's office 2521 02:32:50,970 --> 02:32:55,290 said that Conway repeatedly violated the Hatch Act, a law 2522 02:32:55,290 --> 02:32:59,010 that limits political activity by government employees. The 2523 02:32:59,010 --> 02:33:03,030 independent agency cited Conway's criticism of Democratic 2524 02:33:03,030 --> 02:33:07,110 presidential candidates. It also quoted her as saying, if you're 2525 02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:10,410 trying to silence me through the Hatch Act, it's not going to 2526 02:33:10,410 --> 02:33:14,760 work. The White House condemned the finding as deeply flawed. 2527 02:33:15,570 --> 02:33:18,870 John C. Dvorak: So the Hatch Act was designed to keep people the 2528 02:33:19,020 --> 02:33:22,170 president from taking everybody in the White House and having 2529 02:33:22,170 --> 02:33:26,310 him do calls, phone calls to duck to get money. I mean, 2530 02:33:26,310 --> 02:33:28,380 that's pretty much what the thing was designed for. 2531 02:33:28,770 --> 02:33:32,010 Kellyanne goes out and she says, Yeah, this guy's an idiot. Oh, 2532 02:33:32,010 --> 02:33:34,920 that's that's political. That's political. She says it's not 2533 02:33:34,920 --> 02:33:37,350 really political. It's a comment. And it's probably 2534 02:33:37,350 --> 02:33:40,440 accurate. But let's hear a democracy. Now. It takes it to 2535 02:33:40,440 --> 02:33:42,930 the next level and they really slammer. 2536 02:33:43,020 --> 02:33:46,080 Unknown: A federal watchdog recommended Thursday, Kellyanne 2537 02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:49,200 Conway be removed from her post as White House counselor for 2538 02:33:49,200 --> 02:33:52,260 violating the Hatch Act a law barring federal employees from 2539 02:33:52,260 --> 02:33:54,780 engaging in political activity as part of their official 2540 02:33:54,780 --> 02:33:58,530 duties. And reports submitted to President Trump the Office of 2541 02:33:58,530 --> 02:34:02,370 Special Counsel called Conway a repeat offender saying she's 2542 02:34:02,460 --> 02:34:06,030 repeatedly used TV appearances and social media to disparage 2543 02:34:06,030 --> 02:34:09,090 Democratic presidential candidates. Among Conways ethics 2544 02:34:09,090 --> 02:34:11,910 violations. She twice violated the Hatch Act by endorsing 2545 02:34:11,910 --> 02:34:14,460 Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore while 2546 02:34:14,460 --> 02:34:18,060 speaking in her official capacity for the White House. In 2547 02:34:18,060 --> 02:34:21,660 early 2017. Conway used an appearance on Fox and Friends to 2548 02:34:21,660 --> 02:34:23,880 promote the Ivanka Trump clothing line sold by the 2549 02:34:23,880 --> 02:34:27,750 president's daughter. Ivanka stuff is what I would find 2550 02:34:29,970 --> 02:34:33,030 myself today it's a wonderful line. I own some of it. I fully 2551 02:34:33,030 --> 02:34:35,340 I'm gonna just give it I'm gonna give a free commercial here. Go 2552 02:34:35,340 --> 02:34:38,550 buy it today. Everybody could find it online. Legal experts 2553 02:34:38,550 --> 02:34:41,670 say the Office of Special Counsel does not have the 2554 02:34:41,670 --> 02:34:44,400 authority to discipline Conway and President Trump can simply 2555 02:34:44,400 --> 02:34:48,870 ignore the agency's recommendation. He did. 2556 02:34:51,930 --> 02:34:54,150 John C. Dvorak: Ivanka Trump makes some nice clothes. Go buy 2557 02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:55,680 it. How's that political? 2558 02:34:58,650 --> 02:35:01,620 Adam Curry: I'm asking you It's well, I'm confused about 2559 02:35:01,620 --> 02:35:07,080 something else about this this constant. It's not Robert 2560 02:35:07,080 --> 02:35:11,940 Mueller it but on one hand, it was Democracy Now was this is 2561 02:35:11,940 --> 02:35:16,200 the special Counsels office but in the PBS it was, well, this is 2562 02:35:16,200 --> 02:35:16,590 PBS 2563 02:35:16,620 --> 02:35:19,260 Unknown: White House today dismissed a call to fire 2564 02:35:19,260 --> 02:35:23,490 presidential aide Kellyanne Conway, the US Office of Special 2565 02:35:23,490 --> 02:35:27,420 Counsel unrelated to Special Counsel Robert Muller's, aka 2566 02:35:28,260 --> 02:35:30,330 Adam Curry: the US Office of Special Counsel. I'm not 2567 02:35:30,330 --> 02:35:33,990 familiar with the US Office of Special Counsel, what is that? 2568 02:35:34,320 --> 02:35:36,540 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. But apparently they're busy 2569 02:35:36,540 --> 02:35:41,370 bodies. They have no power. They make all these e6. And why don't 2570 02:35:41,370 --> 02:35:43,890 they do with all the press? I mean, it's like, this is 2571 02:35:43,890 --> 02:35:46,470 bullcrap. I mean, it's the worst kind of bullcrap they're 2572 02:35:46,470 --> 02:35:49,380 looking, they're just grasping at straws. They're doing the 2573 02:35:49,380 --> 02:35:53,370 same thing with this clip here. This is unfortunately I wrote it 2574 02:35:53,490 --> 02:35:59,070 Trump as our EU, because it's M O rumo. Okay, 2575 02:35:59,670 --> 02:36:01,140 Unknown: this election, way to go. 2576 02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:03,390 The head of the Federal Elections Commission warned 2577 02:36:03,390 --> 02:36:06,420 Thursday that candidates for public office are prohibited by 2578 02:36:06,420 --> 02:36:09,390 law from receiving help from foreign government. The warning 2579 02:36:09,390 --> 02:36:14,190 was a clear rebuke to President Trump, after he told ABC is 2580 02:36:14,190 --> 02:36:17,730 George Stephanopoulos this week that he might accept dirt on 2581 02:36:17,730 --> 02:36:21,210 political rivals from foreign actors in the 2020. Election, 2582 02:36:21,450 --> 02:36:25,110 your campaign this time around if foreigners if Russia if China 2583 02:36:25,110 --> 02:36:27,240 if someone else offers you information on opponent, should 2584 02:36:27,240 --> 02:36:28,920 they accept it, or should they call the FBI? 2585 02:36:29,130 --> 02:36:32,130 I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen, 2586 02:36:32,220 --> 02:36:34,770 I don't there's nothing wrong with listening. If somebody 2587 02:36:34,770 --> 02:36:40,110 called from a country, Norway, we have information on your 2588 02:36:40,110 --> 02:36:41,610 opponent. Oh, 2589 02:36:41,670 --> 02:36:44,070 I think I'd want to hear it. You want that kind of interference 2590 02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:44,790 in our elections. It's 2591 02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:45,960 John C. Dvorak: not an interference. They 2592 02:36:45,960 --> 02:36:47,700 Unknown: have information. I think I'd take it. 2593 02:36:48,060 --> 02:36:51,240 In a statement posted online one day after Trump's remarks aired 2594 02:36:51,240 --> 02:36:56,820 on ABC FEC chair Ellen Weintraub said, let me make something 100% 2595 02:36:56,820 --> 02:36:59,670 clear to the American public and anyone running for public 2596 02:36:59,670 --> 02:37:03,480 office. It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept or 2597 02:37:03,480 --> 02:37:06,810 receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection 2598 02:37:06,810 --> 02:37:10,260 with the US election. This is not a novel concept she wrote. 2599 02:37:10,410 --> 02:37:11,280 All right. I really 2600 02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:13,560 Adam Curry: want to know what Norway knows. Because these 2601 02:37:13,560 --> 02:37:18,030 things don't don't come out of nowhere. United States Office of 2602 02:37:18,030 --> 02:37:20,670 Special Counsel is a permanent independent federal 2603 02:37:20,670 --> 02:37:25,350 investigative and prosecutorial agency whose basic legislative 2604 02:37:25,350 --> 02:37:29,190 authority comes from four federal statutes, the civil 2605 02:37:29,190 --> 02:37:32,880 service reform act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, 2606 02:37:33,060 --> 02:37:36,630 the Hatch Act and the Uniformed Services Employment and 2607 02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:41,670 Reemployment Rights Act. OSC its primary mission is the 2608 02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:44,850 safeguarding of the merit system in federal employment by 2609 02:37:44,850 --> 02:37:47,940 protecting employees and applicants from prohibited 2610 02:37:47,940 --> 02:37:52,470 personnel practices. So they should have actually gone to 2611 02:37:52,470 --> 02:37:55,470 Kellyanne Conway and said, Hey, you should not be doing this. 2612 02:37:55,470 --> 02:38:00,330 Instead, they go to the media, I guess, is what I'm seeing. Well, 2613 02:38:00,630 --> 02:38:03,870 John C. Dvorak: if you if you reread what you just read, which 2614 02:38:03,870 --> 02:38:07,560 is the prosecutorial aspect of it, why don't they indict her? 2615 02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:11,490 Why don't they prosecutor if their prosecutorial it, which is 2616 02:38:11,490 --> 02:38:12,960 what it said that what you read? 2617 02:38:13,260 --> 02:38:16,200 Adam Curry: Yes, well, this is Wikipedia. So who knows? The 2618 02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:17,190 hash could be wrong, 2619 02:38:17,190 --> 02:38:18,570 John C. Dvorak: but generally speaking with this sort of 2620 02:38:18,570 --> 02:38:21,780 thing, they're not wrong. So if that's the case, why and because 2621 02:38:21,780 --> 02:38:24,180 everyone disclaims as well, that he doesn't have to do anything, 2622 02:38:24,180 --> 02:38:26,460 he doesn't have to do anything. Well, why don't they do it? 2623 02:38:26,460 --> 02:38:26,550 Well, 2624 02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:28,590 Adam Curry: hold on. There's some exemptions. Here, the Hatch 2625 02:38:28,590 --> 02:38:33,630 Act of 1939. Officially an act to prevent pernicious political 2626 02:38:33,630 --> 02:38:38,340 activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision 2627 02:38:38,550 --> 02:38:41,190 prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal 2628 02:38:41,190 --> 02:38:43,950 government except the President, Vice President and certain 2629 02:38:43,950 --> 02:38:48,750 designated high level officials from engaging in some forms of 2630 02:38:48,750 --> 02:38:53,310 political activity. So let's take a look at who these high 2631 02:38:53,310 --> 02:38:58,950 level officials could be. So what are the what are the what 2632 02:38:58,950 --> 02:39:03,450 are the exemptions? Well, 2633 02:39:03,480 --> 02:39:05,220 John C. Dvorak: they wouldn't have made a fuss if Kellyanne 2634 02:39:05,220 --> 02:39:09,210 was an exemption. So the exemption has to be the vice 2635 02:39:09,210 --> 02:39:10,200 president for sure. 2636 02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:12,600 Adam Curry: Well, it's it says vice president and certain 2637 02:39:12,600 --> 02:39:15,810 designated high level officials, I think it has anyone been 2638 02:39:15,810 --> 02:39:17,070 prosecuted under this. 2639 02:39:18,180 --> 02:39:20,700 John C. Dvorak: This is a bull crap operate. This is a drinking 2640 02:39:20,700 --> 02:39:23,220 club. There's a bunch of these little government agencies that 2641 02:39:23,460 --> 02:39:25,770 do nothing more than why they got it. Hey, we haven't done a 2642 02:39:25,770 --> 02:39:28,200 report in five years. What are we going to do? 2643 02:39:28,740 --> 02:39:32,520 Adam Curry: So these employees who who fall under the Hatch Act 2644 02:39:32,520 --> 02:39:35,190 may not use official authority or influence to interfere with 2645 02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:36,930 an election? Jeez, 2646 02:39:37,290 --> 02:39:39,600 John C. Dvorak: that's pretty broad that has to do with Ivanka 2647 02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:40,710 Trump's dresses 2648 02:39:40,770 --> 02:39:43,140 Adam Curry: solicit or discourage political activity of 2649 02:39:43,140 --> 02:39:47,010 anyone with business before their agency, solicit or receive 2650 02:39:47,010 --> 02:39:51,750 political contributions? Oh, there it is because she receives 2651 02:39:51,750 --> 02:39:56,040 some clothing. be candidates for public office in partisan 2652 02:39:56,040 --> 02:39:59,100 elections, engage in political activities while on duty and 2653 02:39:59,100 --> 02:40:01,530 government office wearing An official uniform using a 2654 02:40:01,530 --> 02:40:07,440 government vehicle. It is bullcrap. It's total. It's 2655 02:40:07,440 --> 02:40:09,150 misogynist is what it is. 2656 02:40:09,750 --> 02:40:12,150 John C. Dvorak: Well, in this case, yes, I agree completely 2657 02:40:12,150 --> 02:40:13,050 misogynist. 2658 02:40:13,500 --> 02:40:17,280 So, unfortunately Sarah Sanders is quitting. I do have a clip to 2659 02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:18,120 announce that. 2660 02:40:18,750 --> 02:40:21,480 Unknown: Separately, President Trump announced that White House 2661 02:40:21,480 --> 02:40:25,410 press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders is leaving at the end of 2662 02:40:25,410 --> 02:40:29,160 the month. At a White House event. He called her a warrior. 2663 02:40:29,430 --> 02:40:33,180 Sanders said she's going home to Arkansas to spend more time with 2664 02:40:33,180 --> 02:40:33,900 her family. 2665 02:40:34,380 --> 02:40:37,140 This has been the honor of a lifetime the opportunity of a 2666 02:40:37,140 --> 02:40:41,100 lifetime. I couldn't be prouder to have had the opportunity to 2667 02:40:41,100 --> 02:40:44,010 serve my country, and particularly to work for this 2668 02:40:44,010 --> 02:40:47,670 President. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to be one of 2669 02:40:47,670 --> 02:40:52,650 the most outspoken and loyal supporters of the President and 2670 02:40:52,650 --> 02:40:53,430 his agenda. 2671 02:40:54,060 --> 02:40:57,360 Sanders worked on the Trump campaign joined the White House 2672 02:40:57,360 --> 02:41:02,100 staff and took over as press secretary in mid 2017. Her 2673 02:41:02,100 --> 02:41:06,000 tenure was marked by the end of regular media briefings and 2674 02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:07,800 questions about her credibility 2675 02:41:08,430 --> 02:41:11,700 Adam Curry: on the virtual virtue signaling Twitter. It was 2676 02:41:11,700 --> 02:41:16,740 quite discouraging to see fellow countrymen post such stuff as I 2677 02:41:16,740 --> 02:41:21,720 hope she never works. Again that line bit touches people leave. 2678 02:41:22,890 --> 02:41:28,230 It's really gotta wonder how many people that are cesspool 2679 02:41:28,230 --> 02:41:28,980 John C. Dvorak: that's for sure. 2680 02:41:29,070 --> 02:41:31,860 Adam Curry: I have one here about the president united we 2681 02:41:31,860 --> 02:41:33,690 Unknown: know you disagree about that we have a whole day ahead 2682 02:41:33,690 --> 02:41:37,260 to go on this before we go. One of the things you have as 2683 02:41:37,260 --> 02:41:41,160 presidents the access to all the information in the world, all 2684 02:41:41,160 --> 02:41:43,560 the mysteries out there, and I was just struck in the last 2685 02:41:43,740 --> 02:41:46,380 couple of weeks reading more and more reports of Navy pilots 2686 02:41:46,500 --> 02:41:50,070 seeing lots and lots of UFOs. If you've done that, what do you 2687 02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:50,460 make? If 2688 02:41:50,460 --> 02:41:54,390 John C. Dvorak: I have I think it's probably I want them to 2689 02:41:54,390 --> 02:41:57,210 think whatever they think they do say I mean, I've seen I've 2690 02:41:57,210 --> 02:42:00,300 seen and I've read and I've heard and I did have one very 2691 02:42:00,300 --> 02:42:03,660 brief meeting on it, but people are saying the same UFOs do I 2692 02:42:03,660 --> 02:42:06,300 believe it? Not particularly do you think you'd 2693 02:42:06,300 --> 02:42:09,120 Unknown: know? If there were evidence of extraterrestrial who 2694 02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:09,900 I think by 2695 02:42:10,080 --> 02:42:14,580 great, our great pilots would know. And some of them really 2696 02:42:14,610 --> 02:42:17,070 see things that are a little bit different than in the past. So 2697 02:42:17,070 --> 02:42:20,070 we're gonna see, but we'll watch it, you'll be the first to know. 2698 02:42:22,050 --> 02:42:25,170 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Be the first to know. So that's a lie, 2699 02:42:25,230 --> 02:42:27,960 lie. That would go down as a lie. Yeah. 2700 02:42:28,920 --> 02:42:32,160 Adam Curry: So if he really knows everything, the question I 2701 02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:36,480 would have asked was, so Did you ever see the birth certificate? 2702 02:42:37,650 --> 02:42:39,180 That's the question, I'd want to know 2703 02:42:42,180 --> 02:42:44,490 John C. Dvorak: that these guys aren't asking anything that we'd 2704 02:42:44,490 --> 02:42:45,000 ask. 2705 02:42:46,290 --> 02:42:50,370 Adam Curry: This was probably a good reason for it. Yeah, 2706 02:42:50,400 --> 02:42:53,460 John C. Dvorak: that's why we're here. Doing a podcast. 2707 02:42:53,460 --> 02:42:55,320 Adam Curry: I'll give you one more than we gotta go. It's time 2708 02:42:55,350 --> 02:42:55,620 Well, I 2709 02:42:55,620 --> 02:42:57,990 John C. Dvorak: actually have I need to put two because one 2710 02:42:57,990 --> 02:43:01,080 knows the story don't want short, just 20 seconds, just to 2711 02:43:01,080 --> 02:43:04,230 get it out of the way this the heatwave in India. So we know 2712 02:43:04,230 --> 02:43:05,490 this is not being reported. 2713 02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:08,220 Unknown: Meanwhile, Indian officials are blaming an intense 2714 02:43:08,220 --> 02:43:12,540 heat wave and drought for at least 36 deaths in some region 2715 02:43:12,540 --> 02:43:17,010 south of Mumbai, India, whole villages have been evacuated, 2716 02:43:17,100 --> 02:43:20,580 with an estimated 90% of residents fleeing their homes in 2717 02:43:20,580 --> 02:43:23,880 recent weeks due to searing drought and crop failures. On 2718 02:43:23,880 --> 02:43:26,850 Monday, India's capital Delhi recorded an all time high 2719 02:43:26,850 --> 02:43:31,140 temperature of 48 degrees Celsius, nearly 120 degrees 2720 02:43:31,170 --> 02:43:32,010 Fahrenheit. 2721 02:43:32,190 --> 02:43:35,580 Adam Curry: Well, that was the whole report. Yeah, that can't 2722 02:43:35,580 --> 02:43:36,510 be the whole report. 2723 02:43:37,650 --> 02:43:39,510 John C. Dvorak: But because she didn't go on and on about global 2724 02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:40,560 warming Yeah, 2725 02:43:40,590 --> 02:43:42,660 Adam Curry: the climate crisis. Yeah, 2726 02:43:42,960 --> 02:43:45,180 John C. Dvorak: I know why she went into next segment she 2727 02:43:45,180 --> 02:43:47,910 brought it up okay. But it wasn't about this. I don't know 2728 02:43:47,910 --> 02:43:50,730 why she didn't bring it up it just who actually baffling Yes, 2729 02:43:50,760 --> 02:43:54,600 and the lat the it's totally bad. I agree. And the last tip 2730 02:43:54,600 --> 02:43:57,660 is just to catch us up so we keep up with this is the only a 2731 02:43:57,900 --> 02:44:00,630 lot of clips I could play but this we do have to keep up with 2732 02:44:00,690 --> 02:44:04,350 China versus Hong Kong and this is the update so 149 is long 2733 02:44:04,350 --> 02:44:05,520 clip. Okay, 2734 02:44:05,610 --> 02:44:08,280 Unknown: after a week of protests, a concession from the 2735 02:44:08,280 --> 02:44:11,460 head of Hong Kong's government, she announced the indefinite 2736 02:44:11,460 --> 02:44:14,370 suspension of a controversial bill that would allow 2737 02:44:14,400 --> 02:44:16,320 extraditions to mainland China. 2738 02:44:17,880 --> 02:44:23,040 My relevant colleagues and I have made our best efforts. But 2739 02:44:23,040 --> 02:44:26,580 I have to admit that our explanation and communication 2740 02:44:26,580 --> 02:44:32,760 work has not been sufficient or effective. The console will hot 2741 02:44:32,880 --> 02:44:37,590 as work in relation to the bill until our working communication 2742 02:44:37,620 --> 02:44:40,980 explanation and listening to opinions is completed. 2743 02:44:41,910 --> 02:44:44,130 Adam Curry: The move comes amid intense pressure from the 2744 02:44:44,130 --> 02:44:47,430 streets more than a million demonstrators last weekend 2745 02:44:47,430 --> 02:44:50,490 according to organizers, followed by another mass march 2746 02:44:50,490 --> 02:44:54,210 on Wednesday. That protest was marked by clashes with the 2747 02:44:54,210 --> 02:45:00,000 police fired off rubber bullets as well as tear gas opponents of 2748 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,820 Bill aren't satisfied with the government's announcement. 2749 02:45:03,330 --> 02:45:06,000 They're maintaining a call to protest on Sunday. 2750 02:45:06,930 --> 02:45:09,780 Unknown: This bill passes. It's definitely unfair to Hong Kong. 2751 02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:13,500 We don't want postponement or more deliberation, it must be a 2752 02:45:13,500 --> 02:45:16,860 withdrawal. We will definitely come out and stand our ground 2753 02:45:16,860 --> 02:45:20,010 Sunday and tell them we want to treat without withdrawal of the 2754 02:45:20,010 --> 02:45:20,310 bill. 2755 02:45:21,060 --> 02:45:23,430 Adam Curry: A pro democracy lawmaker also expressed 2756 02:45:23,430 --> 02:45:27,420 disappointment. Criticizing Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam 2757 02:45:28,260 --> 02:45:34,350 refuses to withdrawal to this election felt altogether. It 2758 02:45:34,350 --> 02:45:34,830 would mean 2759 02:45:35,550 --> 02:45:41,280 Unknown: we wouldn't retreat has lost credibility amongst the 2760 02:45:41,280 --> 02:45:44,520 Hong Kong people. She must step down. 2761 02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:49,020 Critics of the proposed law say it encroaches on Hong Kong's 2762 02:45:49,020 --> 02:45:53,700 autonomy. China for its part, says it supports the decision to 2763 02:45:53,700 --> 02:45:54,780 suspend the bill. 2764 02:45:55,170 --> 02:45:59,700 Adam Curry: One of our producers who is Chinese Canadian American 2765 02:45:59,730 --> 02:46:04,020 sent me a note kind of a scathing note. He says I'd like 2766 02:46:04,020 --> 02:46:07,980 to get and I called him on I said, you cannot bitch at us. If 2767 02:46:07,980 --> 02:46:11,430 you if your boots on the ground or your Chinese and you are 2768 02:46:11,430 --> 02:46:13,620 reading stuff and you know what's happening you just tell 2769 02:46:13,620 --> 02:46:16,830 us and not come on bitch that we're that we suck because we 2770 02:46:16,830 --> 02:46:22,920 didn't get it right. Apparently, this law stems from a case of 2771 02:46:22,920 --> 02:46:27,780 failed extradition, which set a murderer free, this guy chopped 2772 02:46:27,780 --> 02:46:33,360 up his girlfriend is pregnant girlfriend, cut her up into 2773 02:46:33,360 --> 02:46:38,190 pieces and then stuffed her into his briefcase. He escaped back 2774 02:46:38,190 --> 02:46:42,600 to Hong Kong. And so the Taiwanese failed to extradite 2775 02:46:42,600 --> 02:46:46,410 him back to Taiwan for trial. And so somehow, this then led to 2776 02:46:46,410 --> 02:46:49,650 this extradition order so they could pull people back from 2777 02:46:49,650 --> 02:46:53,640 anywhere. But the Genesis was a brutal murderer. And I think 2778 02:46:53,640 --> 02:46:59,190 that we us us probably took advantage of the situation and 2779 02:46:59,190 --> 02:47:02,130 helped stoke these these protests to make China look 2780 02:47:02,130 --> 02:47:02,820 stupid. 2781 02:47:04,020 --> 02:47:07,440 John C. Dvorak: Of course, so we do. Yeah. And we didn't know 2782 02:47:07,440 --> 02:47:12,510 what was Taiwan. Yeah. What's that got to do with the 2783 02:47:12,510 --> 02:47:13,290 mainland, 2784 02:47:13,710 --> 02:47:15,450 Adam Curry: as well, because they want to be able to 2785 02:47:15,450 --> 02:47:19,140 extradite from, from anywhere we know anywhere in the world. 2786 02:47:19,170 --> 02:47:21,120 John C. Dvorak: If it was Taiwan, they just shipped to get 2787 02:47:21,120 --> 02:47:23,220 it back to Taiwan. Hey, 2788 02:47:23,340 --> 02:47:25,920 Adam Curry: I'm just reading the news our producers give us I 2789 02:47:25,920 --> 02:47:30,240 don't have the answers, but I'm pretty sure we were all up in 2790 02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:33,210 arms and happy to stoke some of these protests and get 2791 02:47:33,210 --> 02:47:39,300 everybody. Lamb. Yes. It's ongoing has not stopped yet. are 2792 02:47:39,300 --> 02:47:39,750 good, 2793 02:47:39,780 --> 02:47:42,360 John C. Dvorak: just same way I feel about bringing Assange in 2794 02:47:42,360 --> 02:47:46,350 under some screwball pretense. Exactly. And these million 2795 02:47:46,350 --> 02:47:48,390 people, it's over a million people that are bitching and 2796 02:47:48,390 --> 02:47:51,240 moaning in Hong Kong. They can't, where they're all wrong. 2797 02:47:51,240 --> 02:47:52,680 And this, you know, the Chinese are writing they're 2798 02:47:52,680 --> 02:47:55,440 misunderstood according to lamb. That's what she says it's a 2799 02:47:55,440 --> 02:47:58,380 failure to communicate is nonsense. 2800 02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:02,610 Adam Curry: Well, hopefully, more of our producers will still 2801 02:48:02,610 --> 02:48:07,110 weigh in with more information, which we will gladly disseminate 2802 02:48:07,110 --> 02:48:11,910 to you, or decimate, as some would say. On the next episode, 2803 02:48:12,720 --> 02:48:17,160 which will be Thursday, and I'll be in Portugal. John will be 2804 02:48:17,160 --> 02:48:17,550 somewhere 2805 02:48:17,550 --> 02:48:20,640 John C. Dvorak: in northern selenium line at Target. 2806 02:48:21,480 --> 02:48:23,910 Adam Curry: If you're listening to us on no agenda stream.com 2807 02:48:23,910 --> 02:48:28,470 We've got Rhino the bearded coming up next. And thanks to 2808 02:48:28,500 --> 02:48:32,580 Jesse Coyne Nelson, Tom Starkweather. For the end of 2809 02:48:32,580 --> 02:48:39,090 show mixes coming to you from the Titanic Hotel. Aware 2810 02:48:39,090 --> 02:48:42,570 conspiracy theories have been raging since 1912. In the 2811 02:48:42,570 --> 02:48:44,070 morning, everybody, I'm Adam curry 2812 02:48:44,190 --> 02:48:46,890 John C. Dvorak: in from Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. 2813 02:48:46,890 --> 02:48:47,460 Dvorak. We 2814 02:48:47,460 --> 02:48:49,380 Adam Curry: return on Thursday right here on no agenda. 2815 02:48:49,380 --> 02:48:55,830 Remember that the vorak.org/na Until then Adios, mofos and such 2816 02:48:59,940 --> 02:49:02,970 John C. Dvorak: not going to happen. These guys done this 2817 02:49:02,970 --> 02:49:06,390 Adam Curry: versus the smart. This is what we heard everybody. 2818 02:49:07,170 --> 02:49:10,950 Unknown: When Rachel Maddow went up sigo Sean Hannity, 2819 02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:13,020 they're creatures of their opinion. 2820 02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:18,120 The left right paradigm gives me insanity, trying to tell me 2821 02:49:18,120 --> 02:49:21,600 about the Buddha Buddha. Well, every time I watch it used to 2822 02:49:21,600 --> 02:49:25,560 give it another try. Someone always says you're all gonna 2823 02:49:25,560 --> 02:49:33,930 die. I can do no agenda cures bad summertime news, hurricanes, 2824 02:49:33,930 --> 02:49:35,790 storms, wildfires. 2825 02:49:36,480 --> 02:49:37,620 We are dying now. 2826 02:49:38,250 --> 02:49:41,340 These are the discussions that have to be happening right now. 2827 02:49:41,490 --> 02:49:47,460 Well, I heard in May they spoke Oreo cookies and a new study 2828 02:49:47,460 --> 02:49:52,290 tonight. Around it consumes so much fun though he got so used 2829 02:49:52,290 --> 02:49:54,480 to getting news off the internet. So I think 2830 02:49:54,480 --> 02:49:58,590 my TV out doesn't make me sick living on a deserted island 2831 02:49:58,590 --> 02:50:05,850 might do the trick. Due to agenda cures bad small town 2832 02:50:05,850 --> 02:50:06,930 blues 2833 02:50:08,940 --> 02:50:11,160 I wanted to get a new story but I'm reading about face cream and 2834 02:50:11,160 --> 02:50:14,040 I tried to click out of it but the following is following the 2835 02:50:14,040 --> 02:50:14,880 on screen. 2836 02:50:16,139 --> 02:50:19,469 Operation Mockingbird three agents in new stations 2837 02:50:19,470 --> 02:50:21,960 and isn't Cooper has three security guards all around them 2838 02:50:21,960 --> 02:50:27,150 now. legal duty US legislation says You're famous for daycare. 2839 02:50:27,900 --> 02:50:28,890 So I called 2840 02:50:28,890 --> 02:50:31,140 my congressman and he told me quote, 2841 02:50:31,260 --> 02:50:35,910 shut your mouth slayed and don't forget to vote. I don't know 2842 02:50:35,940 --> 02:50:42,000 when am I gonna do like no agenda cures bad some juice. And 2843 02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:46,290 don't forget to show your love and donate or comments by. 2844 02:50:54,630 --> 02:50:58,050 tensions rising in the Gulf following the tanker attack near 2845 02:50:58,050 --> 02:50:58,980 Iran, the 2846 02:50:58,980 --> 02:51:01,200 Adam Curry: Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the 2847 02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:03,840 attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today, 2848 02:51:03,960 --> 02:51:06,780 Unknown: an attack that came exactly as Japanese Prime 2849 02:51:06,780 --> 02:51:10,350 Minister Shinzo Ave met with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran 2850 02:51:10,350 --> 02:51:11,070 supreme leader. 2851 02:51:11,340 --> 02:51:14,640 If you actually look at domestic shale producer stocks yesterday, 2852 02:51:15,060 --> 02:51:18,660 they all went up the US shale boom is insulating the US 2853 02:51:18,660 --> 02:51:22,770 economy and financial markets from events like this, which is 2854 02:51:22,800 --> 02:51:26,400 really good news for the for the US economy. This assessment is 2855 02:51:26,400 --> 02:51:30,870 based on intelligence. Isn't that right intelligence? That is 2856 02:51:30,870 --> 02:51:31,860 affirmative. 2857 02:51:31,890 --> 02:51:35,970 Yeah. It is inexcusably inaccurate to suggest that 2858 02:51:35,970 --> 02:51:37,020 anyone lied about 2859 02:51:37,470 --> 02:51:41,100 the idea that we adopted such intelligence is completely and 2860 02:51:41,100 --> 02:51:46,410 totally false. He talked about how you fell to your stomach 2861 02:51:46,440 --> 02:51:48,990 when you found that there were no weapons of mass destruction 2862 02:51:49,020 --> 02:51:51,420 in the next century, the community of nations may see 2863 02:51:51,420 --> 02:51:55,050 more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now. A 2864 02:51:55,050 --> 02:51:57,360 rogue state with weapons of mass destruction. 2865 02:51:57,930 --> 02:52:00,510 I wish we'd found weapons of mass destruction. Bottom line, 2866 02:52:00,510 --> 02:52:02,670 there were no weapons of mass destruction. They said there are 2867 02:52:02,670 --> 02:52:04,920 weapons of mass destruction, I will get 2868 02:52:05,430 --> 02:52:09,510 worse, there are things I would do differently. And I actually 2869 02:52:09,870 --> 02:52:12,210 have thought about that time. 2870 02:52:13,050 --> 02:52:16,620 I'd be more skepticism the American Congress in 2002, that 2871 02:52:16,620 --> 02:52:21,330 war could not have been waged, at least not at any rate, not on 2872 02:52:21,330 --> 02:52:23,400 the basis of weapons of mass destruction. 2873 02:52:23,430 --> 02:52:28,560 The one about the two said suggested you know, when the 2874 02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:31,800 Times published that story on the front page, and you know, 2875 02:52:31,800 --> 02:52:37,110 with kind of welcome sign for Dick Cheney and Condi Rice to go 2876 02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:41,430 on the Sunday show us blamed Iran and will raise the issue 2877 02:52:41,430 --> 02:52:43,650 with the United Nations Security Council meeting, 2878 02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:46,440 Adam Curry: these unprovoked attacks present a clear threat 2879 02:52:46,740 --> 02:52:49,980 to international peace and security, a blatant assault on 2880 02:52:49,980 --> 02:52:53,520 the freedom of navigation and an unacceptable campaign of 2881 02:52:53,520 --> 02:52:56,220 escalating tension by Iran. Now, I 2882 02:52:56,220 --> 02:52:59,070 Unknown: want to make the case for secrecy and government when 2883 02:52:59,070 --> 02:53:02,400 it comes to the conduct of national security affairs and 2884 02:53:02,400 --> 02:53:06,120 possibly for deception where that's appropriate. If I had to 2885 02:53:06,120 --> 02:53:09,540 say something I knew was false to protect American national 2886 02:53:09,540 --> 02:53:10,860 security. I would do it 2887 02:53:10,890 --> 02:53:15,930 obviously, the war in Iraq was a big fat mistake. All right. 2888 02:53:15,960 --> 02:53:19,320 Well, Iran didn't do it. And you know, they did it because you 2889 02:53:19,320 --> 02:53:22,530 saw the boat. I guess one of the mines didn't explode and it's 2890 02:53:22,530 --> 02:53:39,990 probably got essentially Iran written all over it.org/in 2891 02:53:40,050 --> 02:53:42,990 a podcast