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Morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
John C. Dvorak: man from Northern Silicon Valley where I
remain and I am here at admiring the double decker buses. I'm
John Cena. dragline buzzkill
Adam Curry: you can't have double decker buses. That's for
us exclusively here. And then the get my nation East in the
UK. Yeah, well, those days are over. So you have double decker
buses in San Francisco.
John C. Dvorak: Now San Francisco still has an eye. The
reason they don't have them is because everything's electric.
This all electric buses and double decker buses can't make
that little suspension thing work, I guess. No, it's in the
East Bay AC Transit. Alameda County Transit and they use the
buses. They have a number of them. Yeah, they use them to go
across the bay and they get twice as many people on the bus
or not twice as many but quite a few more. So
Adam Curry: the three of us so it's not for tourism. It's for
actual transportation. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, it's about
time. Yeah. Well, they got him here too. In London.
John C. Dvorak: I've had him there forever and it's just
amazes me how long it takes for somebody else to figure out it's
not a bad idea Yeah,
Adam Curry: well they certainly they should do TRIPLE DECKERs by
now traffic here is unbelievable it's gotten so bad I've there's
so much that's happened since I was last in the UK like properly
in the UK not just passing through this buildings here that
weren't here last time I checked it up.
John C. Dvorak: That one was was the last time we chatted trying
Adam Curry: to think with how long ago was it that it was
actually in in London? i It's been a long time John. It's been
John C. Dvorak: maybe sending a lot of a lot of weird looking
Adam Curry: buildings to well that I'm looking right at that
point. He
John C. Dvorak: was a double decker bus now on the freeway,
she is it red? Is a red. No, it's green and white.
Adam Curry: Okay. There's a big pointy building. I'm gonna put
my glasses on for review. I mean, I used to know what
happened to the to the Gherkin to the did they tear that one
down? Already? The big pickle? Yeah. What happened to that one?
I can't see it anywhere. I
John C. Dvorak: think it's still there.
Adam Curry: Is it behind the big pointy one now? There must be
there must be five or six different buildings just Yeah.
Anyway.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, we're if there was one it looks like it's
falling over. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I can see that one. From here. That's that's kind of
kind of weird. Yeah, well, we chose this location specifically
because it was in walking distance of the no agenda,
London meetup that we held yesterday. Oh, so you're in the
Paddington area. I'm just just on the cusp of the Paddington
area. And
John C. Dvorak: in here's the multi CultI
Adam Curry: though extremely, here's the here's the best laid
plans. So we get this hotel. I mean, it is. I see on the map.
It's a four minute walk. And of course, I did not bring the
smartphone and I'm I'm hell bent on even though. You know, I like
ah, you know, should we? We don't we should have some
navigation capabilities. I'm like, no, no, I can map this out
in the room. And I can write down the directions. And we'll
be fine. Four minutes. I swear to God it took us 15 i It's the
map skills they really do diminish over time if you don't
keep them up.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. So I went to that same place we
Adam Curry: had Yes, the Victoria in Paddington.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, we went there. And I walked I know how
to get I knew how to get there without I didn't have a
smartphone. I was you know, we had a bunch of burners that we
could use in the area. And so I knew how to get there from the
hope from the hotel and it was like you go down the main
street. That goes past Victoria station, you take a right. And
you just keep walking and bang, you run right into this right
there. Exactly. So I left the event. And I figured well I'm
just gonna go back to where I came. And for some reason I took
the wrong street back and it was the middle of I don't know where
I was. I had to take a cab
Adam Curry: wasn't quite that. So we arrived 7:30am yesterday
morning. From our direct flight on Norwegian Air from Austin.
First time we took this I have to say very impressed by the
budget airline.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, who fly we need to report on this airline
is gonna be confronted with it. Yeah, short,
Adam Curry: short report. This is now American Airlines slash
British Airways as a daily flight from Austin to Heathrow
and It's very expensive and no matter no matter what class
you're in it's expensive. Norwegian competes with that
they're a budget airline in actually I think they're now the
biggest airline from Europe to New York. That was that was kind
of their first thing. This is the plane with the the red nose.
In fact, their callsign is even red nose and then the flight
number,
John C. Dvorak: but read No. Read. Just because there's a lot
of alcoholics. No, no. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, celebrating,
celebrating.
Adam Curry: So it's probably about 40% cheaper than British
Airways. And they fly the Dreamliner. The 7787 Yeah, nice
aircraft. I had not been on this yet. And besides
John C. Dvorak: that you had consumerize that you were raving
about it before? No, no,
Adam Curry: no, it was that was the big Airbus. I flew on that.
But the Dreamliner is besides it being a plastic plane, which is
not my favorite.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I thought you were never going to fly on
when because it's all plastic. Yeah, well,
Adam Curry: I had to get here one way or the other. I can't
afford I can't afford British Airways is is Airbus, usually
too. But it's just it's fantastic. I'm very impressed
that service. You don't get a lot of frills and you can order
extra stuff on board. And they don't
John C. Dvorak: have they charge for everything. My understanding
is that they charge for
Adam Curry: yes, they do. They do. They charge for a blanket.
They charge for water. I
John C. Dvorak: urge you to go to the bathroom. No, they don't
charge.
Adam Curry: They don't charge it. They don't charge you to go
to the bathroom. No. I said
John C. Dvorak: had a coin operated door how?
Adam Curry: Good try.
John C. Dvorak: That was Miss. I was misled by the staff at
British air.
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, you wonder why. Now I have to say
the keeper has been really smart. She is hell bent and
determined on letting everybody know that this is our honeymoon.
So right away in Norwegian Air. She says you know as we get our
glass of water, he says it's our honeymoon. Oh, that's so great.
And yep, lo and behold a show up two little bottles of champagne.
Oh, here these are for you take these. This is it. This is
actually almost a traveling tip. And if we do that's a
John C. Dvorak: great idea. And the fact is that they doorways
and air is notorious for not giving away. Exactly and
Adam Curry: it was champagne. It was brewed from Champagne from
Champagne. Yeah, it wasn't Prosecco. Yeah, the little mini
boss echo. It wasn't well, so then we as we
John C. Dvorak: left like a couple of diligence.
Adam Curry: What if two mid 50 year olds? Can they get away
with it? You know, it was like they were newlyweds. There was
no question you know? There was no show me your papers please
John C. Dvorak: rattling chip is worth the price of a donation.
Adam Curry: And it gets betters so when we hear you're at the
hotel of course when you when you arrive. Oh, but I want to
talk about the entry process into the UK something else I
hadn't witness. This is completely biometrics sized and
automatized. But it's better than the we have. It's better
than world entry. You just walk up to the thing you shove your
passport, it registers your face takes a picture for all eternity
so we can track you throughout the entire country. But you're
done.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's pretty pretty fast. No
interview. No,
Adam Curry: no, no, nothing. Get your bag and walk through the
green. The green alley perfect.
John C. Dvorak: So we take a cab to the chips. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So back to the tip. So we're at the airport to the
hotel. And the hotel of course. Yeah, well obviously check in is
a check out. Is it noon check in is it too? It's nine o'clock and
we're here to Hi. Yeah. And keeper doesn't have well, this
is our honeymoon. Oh, this is great. Yep, we'll have some
champagne here for you. While we're working on your room,
yeah, this typically takes a lot longer. But we're going to work
on it for you. And so we went out into Hyde Park and it was
there was this window of two hours of really beautiful
weather. So we know we saw the Albert Memorial the Italian
gardens came back around 1130 Our room was already done. Yes,
we know you're You're newlyweds Your room is done. And this is
an almost three hours before they would have to have it done.
We have our free champagne. Yeah. You know they do the the
nice love Swan origami with the towels on the bed. Have you ever
seen this?
John C. Dvorak: No. I can imagine.
Adam Curry: And it just works. I mean, we're gonna I'm gonna do
it every single time. You can't go to the same places probably.
But this is this
John C. Dvorak: is a good thing. Wait a minute, but you guys here
last year.
Adam Curry: never never never been here. So this is yeah, this
is a great travel tip. TSA in the US did something new to me
though. This was as you know, whenever I travel with Tina
John C. Dvorak: Jomo is your honeymoon. No.
Adam Curry: Maybe Maybe that's what happened. So of course
whenever I travel with Tina, we Let's get pre check even though
she's never registered etc. So I mean I've I travel alone even
though I'm registered have a number I don't. So we go
through. So this pre check, you just throw your your bags on I
have to take laptops out, I've got the I've got the whole
studio everything as usual. I take my Nokia my literal cell
phone, throw it in my jacket, the jacket goes through and you
go through the magnetometer because you don't go through the
body scanner. And the guy says, Let me see your Let me see your
phone. And I think he's like, I'm like, this is a joke or
something. I can't go through the I didn't take it to the I
don't have my phone. He says I saw you put it in your bag. I
said. Put it I was confused. I thought he was joking. Okay. So
I get my the Nokia and I hand it to him. And he looks at it kind
of weird. And then he swabs it and they were doing this for
every other passenger. This is new. I've never had the cell
phone swab.
John C. Dvorak: Hmm, there must be an alert out or something.
Well, someone with a cell phone bomb? Well, I
Adam Curry: it makes a lot of sense. If you want I mean, if
you want to know if someone has been in contact with any type of
explosives, the best way is to get something like their cell
phone, which you'd be handling. You'd have it up to your face.
And
John C. Dvorak: that's where maybe that's it. Yeah,
secondary. Yeah, cuz you. Yeah. That's pretty smart. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Anyway, so that's what that was. Let me
see, do we have anything? Well, then, you know, obviously, then
we have the nice, I've
John C. Dvorak: talked to the seller, this swappers the number
of times about what they're looking for. And they got all
these new tests and they check things out. And I forgot what I
got something checked recently. That was didn't make a lot of
sense to me. Oh, yeah, I brought it. Oh, yeah. It's coming back
from Austin from your wedding. Yeah. And I brought a bunch of
seasonings. And they were all they had to check. They've
swapped the crap out of my barbecue seasonings. So that
makes some sense. Slightly explosive. Anyway.
Adam Curry: Yes. Out the out the other end, but explosive,
nonetheless. A Oh, no. That's right. The No. Agenda meetup.
Just a few words about our meetup at the Victoria. And
we'll be thanking people later on. Who gave on the spot
donations. I was very surprised. I didn't really know what to
expect. The whole thing was organized by the Earl of
Tennessee, Sir Patrick Coble, who flew in from Berlin where he
was doing some penetration testing. Yeah, actually, I think
he was doing a speech. He does speeches about penetration
testing, too. Yeah. He's got good stories. Yes. And it and
just a big thanks to him. And it's so interesting that, you
know, our URL from Tennessee is put this together. And they were
when we walked in just we were supposed to be from six to 930.
We're more or less on time. Probably about five, five guys
there, including Sir Patrick, like, Oh, this is kind of cool.
You know, and just, we're chatting then, John, before you
know it. We had 50 people there. It got really, it was fun. We
John C. Dvorak: would just you do a head count. And you came up
with
Adam Curry: 50. That's a I didn't do. I was unable to do an
exact headcount. The picture at the end of the evening, which
never includes everybody was over 40. So I think we're at
least 50 Maybe a little bit more. And this was, in my
experience, the most diverse group of people we've ever had.
I mean, white, black, brown, gay, straight, old young,
Tourette's, autism, Asperger conservative liberal, and
everything was represented as much. I mean, as like, wow, this
is like United Colors of Benetton. A lot of dudes named
Ben but also, there was quite a number of women there. Of
course, Dame Isabel, who is our first female listener, and as
she would I mean, there's a lot of people who have been
listening since episode one. And universally this is what we
heard from everybody. I love this meetup. I love meetups with
no agenda people because I can speak frankly without having to
be worried about overstepping triggering saying the wrong
thing. And but
John C. Dvorak: somebody with a stick up their ass
Adam Curry: but it's it's like I here's here's what I heard from
almost everybody. I can't say what I think at my work. I can't
say what I think around my friends I can't say what I think
or my opinion at school with my family. And people felt an
incredible sense of community and by no means were these all
que que que Nazi Quadroon alt right nutjobs this is just, we
had multiple people who work at the BBC. My favorite has to be
the gay magistrate from Manchester, who by the way
worked for Gove, Michael Gove. And I'd said straight up, I
says, Did he ruin the education system in the UK? And said, Nah,
no. Did you have to go and get his coke? No, no, no. So just a
lot of a lot of good information. And, and there was
just certain point, when we're still we're taking selfies and
you know, we're deaf. We're rowdy, and we're taking over
this place, and it's packed, and it's drizzling outside. So it
has this perfect London pub vibe. And I'm taking some
pictures with the some of our producers. And behind me,
there's a couple sitting in kind of a booth. And they'd been
sitting there for a while. And I felt that I knock something over
as I backed up and oh, my gosh, I turned around. And it's Oh,
that knocks up and it's always there drink. But no, it's just
the menu. And they look at me and they say, Can we ask you a
question? I said, Yeah, so Well, we're from Florida. And we just
got here. And we've never been to London, and we wanted to get
a real feeling for a typical English pub. Who are you guys?
What kind of club is this? They could not figure out what we
were about. And I said yes. And who are you?
John C. Dvorak: What? Yeah, this is that I can appreciate that. I
mean, it's non standard here. You created non standard
situation, and they were brought into and they were baffled.
Yeah, sure.
Adam Curry: And of course, they were immediately hit in the
mouth. And I'm sure they're listening right now. So plenty
of plenty of stories. And I'm sure we're talking about that in
shows to come and we have some donations that we'll talk about.
I just while we're on the topic at simultaneously, we had the
Oklahoma City meet up, which was organized by Cassidy, Eastwood,
and I just wanted to read her report. He says it there were
about a dozen of us ranging from 24 years old to 70 ish. Sorry,
Jimmy, not sure if your age. We even had a night in our presence
or prize and he surprised us with magic tricks. I didn't know
we had a magician. We all fond over his night ring. People came
from all over the state even one drove up from Dallas. The first
question asked to each rival was how did you happen upon no
agenda. And the best response was given by Air Force John who
was looking for podcasts to listen to and did a search for
best podcast. Gee, guess what the first result was the best
podcast in the universe,
John C. Dvorak: which is an accurate search person using
being
Adam Curry: precisely he also made a point to make his first
donation we all discuss religion, politics, education,
and the general state of the world at large over appetizers
and cocktails that refuse strange looks from surrounding
tables. I greatly enjoyed talking to people whom I knew
were open minded. I could feel the serotonin releasing in my
brain as I converse with this group of lovely people. But one
attendee even said, and I quote, I love this because I know that
no one here will judge me, even if we disagree on something. And
that is, again, this is the constant observation from
everybody who attends a no agenda meetup. And so we
encourage more of those no agenda meetups.com All right.
News from London. Bo Jo has the MO Jo.
John C. Dvorak: Bo Jo.
Adam Curry: Bo Jo. Boris Johnson has the Mojo.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, I have a Boris Johnson clip from the
great Boris Johnson hater. Okay. James O'Brien let me just do a
little background for people don't listen to LBC James
O'Brien is this Remainer he is. hates the Brits. Yeah, he's
really easy to talk show guy who is I think he's one of the most
skilled at making you look like an idiot if that's what he
wants. Because he in fact, he's so good at I think people who do
his show are making a mistake. They shouldn't do it. This just
boycott him. And he hates everybody he hates Faraj. He
hates Boris Johnson. But he's got the goods on Boris Johnson
and and it's just minor goods it seems to me but the way he
presents it with his over his repetitious of approach to
slamming somebody slandering them is just a gift. And here we
go.
Adam Curry: Forrest Johnson is a man who's been fired from jobs
for lying about quotes, allegedly from his own
grandfather godfather. I beg your pardon. Boris Johnson fired
from the times for making up quotes from his own Godfather,
okay, lied to party leaders lied to wives lied to mistresses went
to court to try to stop you from finding out about a little girl
that he'd fathered out of wedlock, he actually went to
court so that you wouldn't find out about his appalling sexual
incontinence. And I mean it when I say because I used to go with
sort of conservative coffee mornings and things like that,
where I'd go with with my mum, sometimes school was more of a
social occasion. And I always had this sort of begrudging
suburban respect for that type of Tory, a shire Tory, because
although I felt they were a little bit immune to the
suffering of others, in some cases, they did seem to
subscribe to values, values you could loosely describe as
Christian Christian conservatism, and that would be
absolutely outraged by the idea of a man going to court to stop
you finding out that he'd fathered a little girl outside
wedlock or lying to his
command. This isn't what Trump paid off stormy Daniels for I
mean, where's this guy the times have changed his wives
and lying to his mistresses lying to his voters lying to his
employers lying to his party leaders, lying to his
constituents lying to his interviewers. There's a
recording of him that I'll play later in the program of him
colluding with a now convicted criminal to get a journalist
beaten up. If you heard me correctly, it's on tape. Boris
Johnson agreeing to help a former school friend from Eton
to get hold of the address of a journalist because the former
school friend from Eton wanted to have him battered. So you see
what I mean? I just mentioned any one of those 678
transgressions. And theoretically, from where I sit,
that should be the end of it for a conservative leadership
contender. But it's not, which I think signals the end of any
claim to moral high ground or morality from the Conservative
Party.
That's really interesting, because he is the number one in
the first round of voting by by a large margin.
John C. Dvorak: Let's take a look at a couple of deconstructs
a little bit about the way Brian does this add depth, but he does
not want to see Boris Johnson as the buyer actually probably
does, because it be great first show, right? Exactly a couple of
things. Once he starts off with this horrible misquoting of his
God, Father some thing and making up quotes and he makes
takes that to an extreme as some sort of horrible thing to do
maybe was a misunderstanding is a million things that could be
that could explain it. He uses the word colluding for a reason.
And then he says the way he actually because he says he lied
to him and lied to him a lot. And the bottom of it goes on and
on and on. And then he says this, which I thought was just
typical of O'Brien. You could take any of these 678
transgressions and apply them to Trump. Well, I didn't say that.
But he'd say you can take any of them and then you can understand
what the sort of conservatives have lost all their credibility
because these six, seven or eight transgressions, what, six,
seven or eight trans aggressions, he
Adam Curry: mentioned to
John C. Dvorak: two citations, one misquoting his godfather and
having an illegitimate child that he apparently went to court
over. And I don't know the details behind it, but I don't
hear six seven or eight transgressions. This is a
horrible person. This this interview or this James O'Brien
guy and I've listened to I'm fascinated by his skills. Now
that he's a there's a horrible, horrible guy.
Adam Curry: There's 50 seconds left on the clip. Do we play
that for?
John C. Dvorak: If there is Yeah, played? I don't know. If
Adam Curry: you listen to this program on a regular basis, it
became inevitable when they introduced base liars to the
public life as soon as Feraud is allowed to speak unchallenged on
diluted lies and nonsense, because every party is finished.
So when they chose to invite him onto their bus to get Brexit
over the line, that was the death knell for any claims in
the Tory party to integrity, or probity for the very simple
reason that if one liar goes unchallenged, lies move into the
mainstream, which is how you have a man who conspired to have
a journalist beaten up who went to court to stop you finding out
about his daughter born out of wedlock, who's lied to both of
his wives, all of his mistresses every constituent, every
employer, every party leader, every colleague, every
interviewer, every journalist he's ever encountered, he's not
just lied to them. He's actively agitated to deceive them
now. It's an outrage. I tell you It's just scandalous,
scandalous. I
John C. Dvorak: guess he came up with three because he had this
thing a couple more, which I like to look into. But it's
besides the point is this. So Johnson is being attacked by the
left. And this guy is representative of that. And I
still wonder whether, you know, he, he had his shot, he could
have been the prime minister. A lot of people believe before
Theresa May stepped in front of the line and took the job. But I
don't know. I don't know if Johnson. I don't know. I have no
idea was people think they're doing well. He's a good guy
should be a prime minister.
Adam Curry: Well, as I said, the main the Evening Standard, which
is edited by George, who's the guy George Osborne. Remember
George Osborne? Yeah. He was the what was he was the chancellor.
John C. Dvorak: I don't remember what he did.
Adam Curry: So he edits the Evening Standard. And that was
the headline when we arrived was Bo Joe's got the Mojo. So and
looking at the first round of voting, I'm not quite sure how
the whole system works, how many rounds there are, but he had I
think 114 And it was was it was the Jeremy guy hunt?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, I
Adam Curry: think he was number two, me hunt. Yeah, with with 42
votes, or whatever it is. So I was prepping the show. So I
couldn't follow all of it. But it'll be interesting to see
there's is a lot going on here. People at the meetup will say
this is we're completely effed. They've kind of given a given up
on it.
John C. Dvorak: Well about to getting out of the house of
Brexit, chit chat is they they're gonna get out or not.
Adam Curry: And I think universally people think do over
is in the cards. And then and then no Brexit. And I did want
to mention, I think I sent you a link to it. The BBC had a two
hour or two part, each part one hour documentary about which was
filmed with permission from Ghee for hotstart. And he's the crazy
gapped tooth guy from the European Parliament. With the
you know, the Belgian used to be and wasn't Belgian President
Prime Minister. He was big Wigan in Belgium when they still had a
government. And he allowed someone from a Belgian cameraman
to shoot a documentary. And this is inside his office, the car
the train late at night, all the swear words, it actually made me
wonder how much they didn't put in it. And he didn't really
disclose this to anybody who was around him at the time. And he
was the the coordinator of the Brexit steering committee for,
you know, these two and a half years or two years. And it's a
fascinating look at the other side that we never really hear
much about. Did you? Did you see this? By nature? Is
John C. Dvorak: it naptime just see it? No. It is. I mean, you
can watch it for sure. Now, you can't really
Adam Curry: pull any clips from it. But when a certain point,
you see that and it's there in the European Parliament building
in Brussels, and they go to Strasbourg and you kind of get a
little idea of how that works. And there's a lot of food where
every single shot there's always food that if they're eaten their
drink, and they do meetings, and they drink wine at the meetings,
which is kind of a I think a good thing.
John C. Dvorak: But it's it's definitely for boating in the
United States. Yeah, well,
Adam Curry: the link is in the show notes. It's well worth
watching. Particularly you get like the the speech writers who
are then you know, as as it gets very close, like Yeah, yeah, we
screwed him. We we'd sent him back to being a colony, you
know, they're all jacked up and God about it. It's it's a cool
thing. It's, it's fun to watch, because we never get that side
of it. And certainly not to that degree. I I, again, I wonder
what wasn't put in it. The question was for you, though.
There was an article that The New York Times published
headline that Google made $4.7 billion from the news industry.
And now it's time for the news industry to take it back. That
wasn't the exact headline. Did you follow any of this?
John C. Dvorak: It's been debated, debated a little bit
and most people think it's bogus.
Adam Curry: Well, I thought it was scandalous that The New York
Times first of all, they didn't really even disclose that this
was a news industry lobbying group that they're a part of,
which is the what is it news? It's the news media Alliance,
who are lobbying for House resolution 2050 for the
journalism competition and Preservation Act of 2019. That
was nowhere to be found in their article.
John C. Dvorak: Course nice new york times they don't just date
on legend. know what they're up to anymore. It's a horrible
operation. Well,
Adam Curry: I'd like to know what your lip Joe's thought of
this, in particular, the assertion made based on a
comment from Marissa Meyer in 2008, where she offhandedly,
although it was, I think, an investor situation. So it can be
taken with some degree of certainty that in 2008, Google
News had made approximately $100 million from news. And that was,
that was the whole quote. And they extrapolated that by adding
10 years to it and said, that looks like 4.7 billion is what
we're not making, and Google is stealing from us. And now they
have this lobbying group, it is a 501 C four, and it's the
lobbying for the passage of House resolution, the bill
journalism, competition and Preservation Act of 2019, which
would allow all news publishers, which by the way, you don't we
wouldn't qualify for because you have to have professional
editors on payroll, you have to have at least a million people
interacting with your website on a monthly basis. Otherwise,
John C. Dvorak: okay. Yeah. If you have that many people that
you just described, you don't need help from the government.
This, you know, this, I know where the stamp is from? Well,
let
Adam Curry: me just tell you what, what the what the plan is
the plan is they want 48 months. So they want what does that four
years, they want four years to, to have? anti anti trust anti
competition laws. What is the word not apply to the news
industry, so they can collude with each other over four year
period to find out how they can screw Google and Facebook back.
That's, in essence, what it is. They want to be able to work
together as a group and figure out how to get the money back
John C. Dvorak: is the kind of idiots that are running the
business. First of all, this stems from the Canadiens who
decided to put a fun together as the rice papers a bunch of free
money. That's right. So they want to say, well, you know,
they're doing it up there, and they're getting free money, we
should do the same thing. The second thing is is this nonsense
about Yahoo and Bing extrapolate. Yahoo is a news
organization and a lot of ways one whole division, they take
the Associated Press feed, they pay for it. They're not they
have writers that they paid pay money to the good Yahoo Sports,
which is very competitive is probably as competitive as as
ESPN or as Sports Illustrated. When it comes to print. I'd like
to know a lot about that. I'd like to hold
Adam Curry: you. So I'd like to interrupt your analysis. I'd
like to interrupt your analysis because I want this to continue
after I play these two clips, which explain a little bit more
about how they really feel about it. So so this is a bill that's
called the sizzling Bill Representative David Cicilline.
Here he explains briefly, what the news media alliance is about
with HR 2054.
Unknown: This is a really important issue for everyone in
our country. Because we all recognize that our democracy is
strongest when we have a free and diverse press that informed
citizens holds concentrated power accountable, and root out
corruption. As Justice Louis Brandeis wrote in 1927, those
who want our independence believe that public discussion
is a political duty, that the greatest threat to freedom is an
uninformed citizenry, and that the freedom of thought and
speech are indispensable to the discovery and spread of
political truth. But today, as you all know, these bedrock
constitutional values are facing existential threats excellent
gatekeepers of information, dominant platforms. Last year,
Facebook and Google amassed more than $60 billion from online
advertising, the majority of online ad revenue, and despite
record levels of online readership, news publishers have
seen a steep decline in revenue during the rise of these
technology giants. The bottleneck is bleeding news
publishers dry and you see evidence all across this
country. And in the absence of a competitive marketplace,
newsrooms across the country are laying off reporters and
editorial staff or folding altogether. This is happening to
legacy news companies and digital publishers alike. There
is no question that we've reached a tipping point. What's
really important to remember is this is not just a marketplace
that's not working in providing an absence of competition where
we're sort of losing the kind of sale of widgets. This is about
the very foundation of our democracy, access to reliable,
trustworthy local news. This trend continues we risk
permanently compromising the news organizations that are
essential to uncovering corruption, holding the
government and powerful corporations accountable and
sustaining our democracy.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes, the old democracy. What is never
mentioned it Is that they never newspapers never made money off
of news ever. And they blew it you were I think Weren't you You
and I both a part of the of the of the new mark conversation
yeah that with Hearst
John C. Dvorak: No it's with was not rehearse wasn't there it was
the publisher that was married to what's her name the actress.
Adam Curry: Yeah the Sharon Stone.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah What's Mister Mister
Adam Curry: Mister Mr. Stein Bronfman, Mr.
John C. Dvorak: Stone Bronfman bra.
Adam Curry: Bronstein brought Bronson Brown from Bronfman
wrongfully. Oh
John C. Dvorak: no, no Bronstein, Bronstein youth and
Brian from your thinking that guy Risa Ron Seagrams. Yeah,
Adam Curry: isn't that the guy didn't wasn't he also married to
Sharon Stone?
John C. Dvorak: I think no, I don't believe so. Possible. is
in there telling the story we will tell
Adam Curry: you right. Bronstein I'm sorry? Yes.
John C. Dvorak: Your team. Feel Bronstein then yeah, I'm
Adam Curry: wrong. I'm wrong. Yes. Bronze figure
John C. Dvorak: name. Yes. Okay, so Bronstein is in there. And he
tells the story says that in the early days of the net, drum
Colton net. Craig Newmark comes in the guy who does Craigslist.
And it was it was in the 90s. And it was, you know, making
money off of classifieds. It was making money off the classifieds
locally, he was doing these freak and they were free
classifieds. And his whole theory was to just give away the
cloud because a computer or, you know, it's text, you know, you
didn't take a lot to, to store it and send it around is not a
lot of overhead in terms of resources of the internet
resources. And so his idea was to give free classifieds to
everybody and then let people pay for job listings and things
that are a little more, you know, that can actually bring in
some cash they he started to reverse the whole model of
classifieds work. So he goes in there and talks to Bronstein, I
guess who else was at the meeting, but he says he comes in
and offers them the whole Craigslist model
Adam Curry: here for like $2 million, or something some
ridiculously low amount of figure but
John C. Dvorak: if he said it figure wasn't much, but he said,
but he offered him the model. And they said, we know how to do
classifieds. We don't need your help your dumb shit. Get out of
here. Yeah, so they kicked him out pretty much. I'm sure they
didn't say that. But it's something like that. And this,
I've seen this happen in other situations. And I also saw it
happen with classifieds. When I was a fly on the wall at the
Media Lab in Massachusetts, where they were Hearst
Corporation was meeting with the Media Lab people to discuss
something not true, actually what it was anymore. But
something like that was brought up in that meeting, too. And
that was the same kind of response. You know, we know what
we're doing. I
Adam Curry: had the same when I pitched me before we were
thinking new ideas as onramp we pitch to Tribune Company in
Chicago. You know that beautiful building they have there with
the radio station was still down the bottom of this still there.
And we got laughed out of the building. We have story server
was not the thing. Story server. What was it? Gosh, what was that
that content management system? vignette vignettes, yes,
vignette story server, like you got and you need classifies we
got an idea for that. That's how you been making on and now this
is a new world. We know how to make money off of news. Well,
that never made money off of news. It's just that it was
always the classifieds. That was the main thing. classifieds went
away. That's when the problem started. But oh, no. Now all of
a sudden,
John C. Dvorak: I disagree with that. And I think that's a myth.
I think this comes up a lot. I think it came up in these clips
that you have. The problem started with television. And it
started a long time ago. And you can look at the curves, the
growth curves and everything else with the newspaper
business. They don't like to talk about it. But that's where
it started television came in with the hourly report, the
nightly news and all the Cronkite to do Huntley and
Brinkley and those guys came in and they just started taking the
taking the impetus away from the newspapers who really had to
compete with the television guys who were stealing a lot from it.
Those are the guys that were stealing from television. If you
are I'm sorry, they were stealing from newspapers. If you
worked at a radio station in the 50s or 60s, everyone will say
the same thing. We'd get the newspaper, we clipped the
articles that were interesting, and we run them as news. Right.
Okay. And where was the lawsuits? Where was the big
steak now they got ripped off left and right during that they
got they started shrinking and shrinking to the point where and
it was all it was pre internet is when they had something
called a joint operating agreement which all the
newspapers jumped in on when they gave this this the last
time that they soak the government. So they said let's
take a joint office make these joint out Breathing agreements
because especially because the television, the evening,
newspapers are all dying, because the evening newspaper
was the one that you'd read. But once the evening news came on,
nobody was reading the evening newspapers. So they had to dream
up this joint operating agreement locally, it was the
San Francisco Examiner, and the San Francisco Chronicle. And it
was in Chicago and Detroit, every place around the country
did this. They joined forces because they needed to, and they
kind of, you know, started emphasizing the morning paper
more they shared resources and shared profits. And that was the
first idea that was the first collusion that they needed to
do. They were never competitive with, they never could figure
out how to do this, right. And they've been failing and failing
and failing and continued to fail. And when the internet came
along and took the classifieds away, that just was the icing on
the cake for the just the demise of the whole operation, because
they couldn't figure out what they're, they're incompetent.
Adam Curry: There's something that they do in the United
Kingdom on television late night. So which would typically
be our our news time slot, maybe 10 are
John C. Dvorak: gone with this. And I think I know whether you
like it, I agree. This is great. I love
Adam Curry: this. They sit down with two people, it's in these
guests, they they vary. Sometimes it's an editor of a
newspaper, it's politicians can be someone from show business.
And they go through all the papers that will be published in
the morning, then they show the, you know, the headlines, and
they have an analysis, and they talk about what's in the paper.
I think that's it. I've always thought that was fantastic. It's
very engaging to watch. And of course, you don't have to buy
the damn paper the next day.
John C. Dvorak: Well, if it's done right, and I think the
Brits do it, right. I know that most people in the United States
can get these reports if you get Sky News on Pluto. Yeah, yeah,
that's exactly
Adam Curry: Sky News does it very well. And they've been
doing that for gosh, but BBC does it too, don't they don't
they have a version of it on BBC or sky?
John C. Dvorak: They probably do. But Sky News was the one
that impresses me the most. And you have to remember Sky News
was once part of the Murdoch empire. So they're not killing
themselves when they're getting Murdoch's was the newspaper guy
date with this was a form of promotion for the papers,
because they go on about something that might interest
you. And then the British, and I think you might pick up the
paper would make even British newspaper businesses a lot
different than ours.
Adam Curry: What makes it even more interesting is that News
Corp is heavily represented in this news media Alliance. And
the only other clip I have is the short run from Tony bush.
She is the mother she she's the government affairs executive at
News Corp.
Unknown: What I think has been missing in the discussion up
until recently, is the fact that Google and Facebook are in the
advertising business. Google made $135 billion last year off
of advertising, Facebook made $56 billion of of advertising,
the entire digital advertising market is around 237 billion. So
they've taken 195 billion out of it, which leaves around 30
billion for everybody else, including the newspaper
industry. And that is really the crux of the problem that we're
facing, which is the system is broken, the trust of us have not
been enforced during the evolution of the tech platforms,
and we need to both investigate that. But in the interim, we
need a solution and aslani bet was really that
Adam Curry: solution. Okay, so we can collude with each other
for two for four years, and come up with a way to screw them
back.
John C. Dvorak: Not gonna happen. No, these guys, there's
the DOMs versus the smarts. This nonsense that Google is, you
know, you go to Google to go to google.news.com. And you can see
what good there's not even an ad on that entire page. Shimi
Adam Curry: news.google.com.
John C. Dvorak: Do what I say google.news.com.
Adam Curry: Let me see. Let me see what that is. Let's see if
that is anything. Oh, go straight to cnet.com. That's
funny.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. news.com is owned by CNET. Yes, he bought
it right away. Anyway, the
Adam Curry: no, they don't run that though. They actually do
not run advertising on the news. That's something that Google is
very vocal about, oh, we don't run ads on that.
John C. Dvorak: No, they make their money on search. Well, if
you're searching for some news story, in your viewer on the
page, you're gonna get some ads. And it's got nothing to do. It's
not taking revenue. These guys are shooting themselves in the
foot. It's the same thing that happened in Belgium, I think, or
one European country member. This was about 10 years ago.
They were all upset, oh, Google indexing and the index are paper
and they're done. They're making people linked to us, then
they're people are coming from these links. So we don't like
that because we don't have control of it. So we don't want
Google linking to us anymore. So they stopped linking to them.
And they went out of business. Because something I did not
clear what the Google link dummy something I, I didn't clip but
there was a part of the part of what they were talking about
this news Alliance panel was, well, you know, when you click
on the story, Google gets all the information. But what are
you in newspapers? Are
Adam Curry: you in the news business? Are you in the
information about people business, you can turn it around
and do something with that. And they all fell for the whole amp
thing? You remember that? And, yeah, you gotta get Google amp
because then it loads faster. And it's fantastic. And Google
amp means that everything you do runs through Google, you dipshit
guy. Yeah, we're all on Google amp. And they did the same thing
when Facebook was like, Yeah, we're all about news. Remember
this Google amp? Yeah, I think it's still used. Case. Yeah, it
was M amplify or something. And everyone's Oh, yeah. Because it
pre loads and it's compressed on both sides. And thank you,
Google. And Facebook. You recall, Facebook's that we're
changing the algo for news, everyone. Oh, yeah. Great. And
they change it back to friends and family like Boo Boo. Hey,
yes. Accelerated Mobile Pages. That's what amp stood for. Thank
you troll room. was just some for phones. Yeah, it was from
mobile for mobile to make everything okay. Pay attention.
Well, I looked at the most recent Mary Meeker into the
state of the Internet Report, which is 333 pages long
John C. Dvorak: this year. I'm glad she's doing some weather
time,
Adam Curry: everything is stagnated. Revenue is not really
dropped here. And they're stagnant, stagnant, stagnant,
everything is kind of plateauing. But mobile is now
double desktop. It's, it's just surpassed everything, which I'm
sure that a lot of people are happy about, because we want
these spy devices to be on your person at all time. So we know
exactly what you're doing. That's the real, that's the real
juice they got. Not the news.
John C. Dvorak: Well, this has been predicted, of course, for
years, that mobile would take over most of the action on the
internet, and Okay,
Adam Curry: so right along with this. Yeah, I think we should do
a quick little call back to the ad pocalypse deconstruction that
we did on the last episode, which I think most people
appreciated. And I think, at least the feedback I've been
getting is hmm, I really didn't look at it in just a pure
commercial sense that these guys are in competition for the
advertising dollars, which is what you literally just heard
from the entire news business is like $1, an advertising award
advertising and that's not fair.
John C. Dvorak: Because he's the CEO timecode. for that. That's a
new voice.
Adam Curry: It is a new voice. I have to I have to work on him.
Susan Wojcicki, who is the CEO of YouTube, in what I believe is
a crisis move showed up on recode for a 45 minute
interview, which is on YouTube, and recode, is owned by Vox.
There are a lot of Vox journos there. And even the guy who was
doing the interview, I think he's not if he's just a recode
guy, or if he's higher up in Vox, and talking about this ad
pocalypse, and I had to pull a couple of clips because it's so
beautiful, the things that are being said here. But the first
thing which I think that we talked about this that kind of
got snowed under is the whole, you know, controversy over
Crowder and Carlos Maza was about LGBTQ, and it was taking
place during pride month. And it's unbelievable. during pride
month, someone said something horrible about a gay man on
YouTube. And this is the first thing out of her mouth. Oh, if I
hadn't, I love those setups. Here we go. The first thing out
of her mouth.
Unknown: A lot of things happened last week. And it's
great to be here and talk about what happened. But I do want to
start because I know that the decision that we made was very
hurtful to the LGBTQ community and that was not our intention
at all and and
to to set context frame was not following this what decision
this was. Yeah, so let me
let me I'll go into that. But I thought it was really important
to be upfront about that. And to say that was not our intention,
and we're really sorry about that. And but I do want to
explain why we made the decision that we did, as well as give
information about the other lines. Are you just
Adam Curry: heckling the clip or her or what are you doing?
John C. Dvorak: I'm just this is this condescending Valley Girl
Up talk. Board her line vocal fry voice or hers is enough to
drive anyone crazy. She's
Adam Curry: in her mid 40s. And this must be a million things
she just celebrated 20 year lease total? Yes, she's 20 years
ago, 20 years at Google, she just celebrated two decades. So
it's Millia. And that's how we talk I'm going
Unknown: on. So really, there were two different things that
happened at the same time. And the first one I'll talk with is
we made a really significant change involving hate speech,
that this is
John C. Dvorak: the first one that I will, I'll talk with,
yeah, I
Adam Curry: know, Jesus does a lot of this stuff. I'll play it
again.
John C. Dvorak: Google talks and Google Talk. I mean, Google.
Adam Curry: Most a Googler. She said, hyphenated Google Talk, or
is it one word? I think Google, let's see, Google. Google Doc,
Unknown: different things that happened at the same time. And
the first one I'll talk with is we made a really,
Adam Curry: I think she's just she does a lot of this, she
wants to say something different. But the first thing I
will address with you or I don't know, but her brain was behind
her mouth or ahead,
Unknown: hate speech, that this is something we had been working
on for months.
Adam Curry: So I'll just pre set this up. Apparently, it was a
great coincidence that they had been working for months on new
hate speech rules for their platform. And on the very same
day they launch it, this controversy starts. It's I mean,
it's just unbelievable.
Unknown: And we launched it on Wednesday of last week, this is
a series of policy changes you've been rolling out. So
just bear with all yes. So we've been making lots of different
policy changes on YouTube. And we made this this past week, we
made a change in how we handle hate speech. That took months
and months of work and hundreds of people we had working on
that. And that was a very significant launch and a really
important one.
Adam Curry: I love how they've clearly been able to come up
with rules. And she details in a moment about hate speech,
something that legally cannot even be done. But yeah, okay.
Unknown: And what we did with that launch is we made a couple
of big changes. One of them was to make it so that you if
there's a video that alleges that some race or or a religion
or gender or group protected group is superior in some way,
and uses that to justify discrimination or exclusion that
would now no longer be allowed on our platform. Similarly, if
they if this if you had a religion or race, and they
allege that inferiority that another group was inferior, and
they use that to justify discrimination, and one way
changes that we made,
John C. Dvorak: yeah. So I can't say hey, yeah, the 40 Niners
stink, they're inferior to the Raiders, I think you're very
can't have it. So Sports Talk is now eliminated five to think
Adam Curry: you're very close here, she expands on these regs.
Examples would
Unknown: be like race, x is superior to x two is superior to
y, and therefore y should be segregated.
Adam Curry: Okay, that sounds clear to me, I'm all good. If
you're X or Y, then you're in trouble. This is literally her
example.
Unknown: Examples would be like race, x is superior to x two is
superior to y, and therefore y should be segregated.
Adam Curry: I can see I can see the Googlers. I can see them on
the whiteboard. Okay, here's race X and race, what and why we
do the root square root of that. And you know, these guys,
everything's mathematics to them everything, like, even hate
speech. Oh, we got a formula for that. Is it
Unknown: weird to you that you had to make a rule that said
this shouldn't be allowed, that this wasn't covered either by an
existing rule that you had to tell your community? Look, this
is not acceptable? Oh, well, so
actually, a lot of this, you know, if we're a global company,
of course. And so if you look at European loss cars, there are a
number of countries that have a really strong hate speech law.
And so which country has very strong
Adam Curry: hate speech laws?
John C. Dvorak: She's referred I know what she's referring to.
She's referring to Germany's you can't talk Nazi stuff. Can't
have a swastika. And there's
Adam Curry: some in the UK. There's some some of that in the
UK. But I don't know about very strong but okay,
Unknown: this country, this, a lot of this kind of had never
been allowed in those countries, but have actually been allowed
in the US and many other countries. And so what we had
actually done with it a few years ago, is we had actually
had limited features.
Adam Curry: So what she's saying actually, is that they actually
already had these limitation features on hate speech,
actually. And they had actually made that less restrictive in
the US. All they had to do was flip a switch, apparently,
Unknown: meaning that it wasn't in the recommendations. It
wasn't monetized, had an interstitial in front of it, to
say that it was content that we found offensive. And when we did
We actually reduce the views to it actually percent.
Adam Curry: It's interesting. What she's saying here is the
way they have their system actually already working
actually, is they would not put an ad in front of it, they would
maybe even put an interstitial, which would be they would that
she means a warning. And what they would do is they would
reduce its viewership, or its surfacing as a recommendation by
up to 80%. Notice, not 100% not kicking you off. Why? Because
she does want people to view you your video and click on other
things where they can make advertising money. And that is
explained in a moment. But another example,
Unknown: we found that it was effective, but we really wanted
to take this additional step. And we made this step on
Wednesday, we also added which is really important, a few other
important definitions to protected groups. So we added
caste, because YouTube has become so significant in India.
And then we also added victims of verified violent events. So
like saying the Holocaust didn't happen, or Sandy Hook didn't
have it also became violations of our policies. And so this was
happening on Wednesday, and we launched it on Wednesday.
Adam Curry: So how about that, just as an example, you can't
say, No one got hurt at Sandy Hook. Because that's, you know,
if people got hurt during a big massive event, then you can't
deny that. That's very interesting that that's the
that's the the the attack that they've chosen. And the reason
why is, of course apparent in this, when we look
Unknown: at these accounts, there are many different
components that we look at. If I were to do it again, I would put
it all into one, one go, Yeah, we do.
We're not going to help you make money on YouTube. Monetization,
meaning we're not going to run ads against your stuff, if you
still want to sell racist coffee mugs, or whatever you're
selling. That's your business, but we're not going to help you,
we're not gonna put an ad in front of your stuff. So
Adam Curry: what she's explaining here is why they will
de monetize, but will not kick somebody off,
Unknown: or whatever you're selling. That's your business,
but we're not going to help you we're not gonna put an ad in
front of your stuff.
Well, we said we're not going to put an ad in front of it, but
but the conditions by which we make will turn it on, can be
broader than than just that. So for example, if they're selling
merchandise and linking off of YouTube, and that is,
Adam Curry: she's not she what she's saying is if you're if
you're making money outside of us, yeah, we really don't want
to be you to do that. So we're gonna kind of de monetize you.
But if you stop doing that, and this is just a mug that they're
that they're referencing, I don't think it was a racist mug
was it racist mug,
John C. Dvorak: which is the thing, so it was just a mug,
just a mulligan, that guy will crowd or whatever his name is,
Adam Curry: right. So this is a commercial decision, which I
understand I ended well, she finishes up 20 seconds,
Unknown: seen as racist or causing other problems that we
that's something that we will discuss with the Creator.
Because again, we are we're having it, we're like putting
advertising there. So we need to make sure that the advertisers
are going to be okay with it. And we have a higher standard.
So we can sort of look at all different parts of that creator
and what they're doing, and basically apply that higher
standard there.
Adam Curry: She never mentions what the higher standard is.
Because we all know what it is brand safe. That's your higher
standard.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, this is something that we've been
harping on. Now, I should mention that I don't know why
this is a surprise to anybody. If anyone has experienced with
Google Adsense in the early days, Google was very adamant
about how these things are going to be placed. They didn't want
competition, they don't like the idea. So they don't want you
doing anything that would interfere with their, their
streams, their financial streams come in there. They don't want
you kind of latching on to somehow and piggybacking on and
making money on your own without them being in the middle. That's
all got to go through them. Yes, every single it's just a style.
Don't feel don't have to go along with it. There's
alternatives, but nobody wants to, you know, YouTube is set up
to, you know, make it easy for everybody to put their videos
there. So, an assertion what happens by the way, if YouTube
just falls and all the videos go away? Why would the world be
different? And how would people react to that, I wonder?
Adam Curry: Well, an assertion that videos, an assertion that
we came up with is that these celebrated YouTubers are
insignificant to their business, insignificant to their business
in in regards to the actual revenue. So yeah, I agree. Well,
she's going to tell you how insignificant what percentage do
you think are of their entire? Well, she doesn't necessarily
say revenue, but if all the videos that are monetized by
Google, what percentage do you think is is big and problematic?
Or just probably grammatic because they're big
John C. Dvorak: problems, maybe they're too big to fail. Know,
Adam Curry: the ones that like Crowder and Joe Rogan, or Alex
Jones, or anyone who's or Laura Loomer, or Laura southern or any
of these people who think they're really important. What
percentage of YouTube's actual business is that 1% or less
Unknown: fathom why there's 8 million pieces of terrible
things coming onto your site on a quarterly basis. But that
would really upset me and worry me,
Well, it matters, what's the denominator, like you, you gave
the numerator, right. And so, you know, we have a large
denominator, meaning we have like, lots of content is
uploaded, and lots of users and, and lots of really good content.
And, you know, when we look at it, you know, what the, what all
the the news and the concerns, and the stories have been, have
been about this fractional 1% of you talked about the other 99
point, you know, what, you know, whatever that number is, like,
that's all really valuable content of people who are
sharing valuable points of view that we haven't heard about
educational content, addressing really important issues. And so
I think it's important to remember that and put that in
perspective. And I say that not because we are not committed to
solving the fractional 1%. Like we are very committed. And I've
been really clear that this is the responsibility is my number
one priority. And there is a lot of work for us to do. I
acknowledge that. But I also know that we have tremendous
tools at our fingertips that we can continue to invest in to do
a better job,
Adam Curry: fractional 1%. She can't even give us the fraction.
It's so small,
John C. Dvorak: it's probably half of a percent.
Responsibility. Is her number one priority. No, what was it
again? She had that funny phrase.
Adam Curry: Was it right in the beginning? No, is
John C. Dvorak: it the near the end?
Unknown: shelving, the fractional 1%? Like we are very
committed, and I've been really clear that this is a
responsibility is my number one priority. And
John C. Dvorak: sponsibility what does that mean? I think she
means number one priority responsibility is like what's
your number one priority? You know, keep my abortion my hands
before? No,
Adam Curry: no response what she means in geekspeak. It should be
gooped. Speak not good talk. I think it's good speak.
You think is better?
John C. Dvorak: Good. Good talk. goob. Toby, see you good to
speak good fit more within the normal meme? Yeah. We have we'll
have to debate this later.
Adam Curry: geekspeak. You take responsibility for the
borderline fraction of 1% of issues. That's why she took
responsibility for hurting the LGBTQ community. You see, the
first question out of the gate. The first question she got from
the audience was ina fried. Are you familiar with Ina fried? Oh,
yeah. I have fried who used to be eaten fried is a transgender.
Oh, I dead named her. I'm sorry. And here was her question. Yep.
Unknown: Nina fried with Axios. You started off with an apology
to the LGBTQ community. But then you also said that you were
involved and that you think YouTube made the right call? A
lot of people don't really feel like that's an apology and are
concerned that YouTube flags LGBT positive content just for
being LGBT, as sometimes, you know, sensitive and yet slurs
are allowed. And I'm curious, are you really sorry for
anything to the LGBTQ community? Or are you just sorry that they
were offended? But listen
I'm really personally I'm very sorry. And I it was not our
intent. Our goal was, YouTube has always been a home of so
many LGBTQ creators, and that's why it was it was so emotional.
Why,
John C. Dvorak: like, what is wrong with this?
Adam Curry: Emotional,
Unknown: really? That's why even though it was a hard decision,
it was made harder than it came from us because we've been such
an important home and
Adam Curry: the what what is wrong with her is that this is
their problem. This is their fractional 1% issue is that the
social justice warriors are relentless will not stop for
anything find. The find fault in in, in almost anything anyone
says it's the it's social justice warriors. It's in the
end, they don't want the stories. They can't have the
negative press and we've been through this because that if I
didn't clip all this, of course, but she even said oh no, we've
reduced these things to 50% all of this whole thing The Blitz
that she's on is to inform advertisers it's safe over here,
it's less than 1% We've and even that we, we don't even show them
almost 20% Maybe I think they're in some serious trouble when it
comes to the advertising business. I think they're gonna
have a real problem.
John C. Dvorak: But they say haven't taken over the whole
thing today and they have they're set in a position where
they have to grow to maintain their stock price and everything
in between they're in serious trouble insofar as growth but I
don't think they're in serious trouble is insofar as it's going
to recede on them and they're gonna make less and less money
like the newspapers
Adam Curry: well the competition for their type of advertising is
growing and that's the the all the other streaming services
including the the mains the M five M television networks who
were all you know now going into streaming and who and where
people are buying more ads
John C. Dvorak: Well, I'm not well, they those ads would have
gone to fractional ads and they would have gone into network TV
if they could afford them. Because that's where the action
is for the big money spends nowadays this big magazines used
to suck them up. Good big giant magazine would get into getting
Vogue magazine still a big giant magazine, you can get $50,000
for a page, which you can't there's nothing like that and on
online. No. And I don't know I I think their problem is
introspection may be damaging them when you have somebody like
this woman who's like, you know, just fretting, fretting and
worried sick, essence apologizing in awkward ways that
she can get called out for not apologizing when she probably is
sincerely apologizing instead of apologizing for I'm sorry, I
hurt your feet. I'm sorry, you. I'm sorry. You think I hurt?
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. That's my favorite. I'm sorry. You felt
butthurt about that?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm sincerely sorry. Yeah, that you?
You know, that's sort of apology, which is not what she
did. But she got called on it anyway, and folded. She should
have just jumped on him. So that's not what I said. No, I
don't say that. I've just honestly said that. She didn't
say that. I didn't say I'm sorry, because you fell. But I
said I am sorry that this happened, period?
Adam Curry: Well, the correct answer came from Google CEO
Sundar Pichai, who was is interviewed separately by ina
fried Quickie,
Unknown: I thought maybe a good place to start is YouTube. And
obviously it comes up a lot. What goes through your mind when
you watch a video like the recent one, you had this
teenager? What appeared to be donning Muslim garb spewing a
lot of anti Muslim anti semitic homophobic hate what goes
through your mind when you see a video like that and see that
it's gotten 350,000 views? And
Adam Curry: I'm thinking Let me see 350 times 15 CPM. I'm
thinking bingo.
Unknown: I don't know all the details of this specific video.
But in general, look, I mean, all of us, you know, none of us
want harmful content on our platform harmful thing. Last
quarter alone, we removed 9 million videos from the
platform. More recently, we have introduced, you know, just like
today, we do this in search, we you know, we had rank content
based on quality. And so we bringing that same notion and
approach to YouTube so that we can rank higher quality stuff
better, and really prevent borderline content content,
which doesn't exactly violate policies which need to be
removed, which can still cause harm. And so we are working
hard. It's a hard computer science problem. It's also hard
societal problem, because we need better frameworks around
what is hate speech, what's not. And how do we as a company, make
those decisions at scale and get it right without making
mistakes?
Adam Curry: I love that it's just a hard computer science
problem. That's got to be my favorite answer.
John C. Dvorak: That's classic. Now I want to mention something,
don't you think a website that would just totally kick butt
would be called the 9 million? Who? I know now. They took 9
million videos down.
Yeah, that's a lot of videos.
Adam Curry: Well, that's and that's just in three months.
John C. Dvorak: Now, as I said in the last year, now quarter
quarter, they said quarter hope. Holy moly. Well, that was that
will actually do.
Adam Curry: That was? Well, interestingly, in the in the
Recode. Interview, it was it was 8 million. And I don't know if
the Sundar was done before, after, but he said 9 million so
but I think the CEO might be I don't know the CEO of the whole
kitten caboodle. I don't know. Whoever's right. But yeah, it's
a lot. Then that's their purge and that's their 10,000
reviewers and whatever AI thingies they have going on
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, sure the AI thing is restless.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, just one of the many reasons why we 11
seasons ago you can turn it into yours if you want to chose a
very different model so that we could never get kicked off but
we vowed to consistent poverty. And that is why I'd like to
thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you John
C. Dvorak.
John C. Dvorak: Good morning to you Mr. Adam curry in the
morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air
and some was in the water in the morning.
Adam Curry: The morning to the troll room, no agenda stream.com
Very trollee today for some reason. Oh, kind? Yeah, they got
this very trollee like all kinds of side topics. I don't know if
they're paying attention at all in there. It doesn't seem like
also in the morning to was it that guy again? Who was the CSB
guys that not comic strip blogger.
John C. Dvorak: If it was comic strip blogger, that's what he'd
put.
Adam Curry: We want to thank CSB for the artwork for episode
1145. The title of that was dumb meat. And it was the report hate
speech tap here button which interestingly, on many podcast
players actually does something when you when you when you hit
that it gives, it does something that gives you like show notes
or something doesn't report anything. That was a great piece
of art. We thought it was very funny. And we appreciate the
work that all of our artistic producers and I said artistic
producers do, and no agenda art generator.com where you can
always find some fun art for a project, maybe like no agenda
shop.com Then and everyone seems to be able to make money on that
including the artists. But really it just brings our show
which everyone collectively produces to the forefront
because rotating artwork is an eye catcher and it helps people
listen to the show. And again, thank you CSB no agenda art
generator.com Now how do we do this with our with our donations
doing well? How do we do this with the with the meet up
donation that there's no long notes, but there's just a couple
of way
John C. Dvorak: we do it. We do it the way I think we've been
doing it, which is out we'll do this segment and then we'll do a
meet up a segment. Okay. And then we'll do it downwards. We
do three donation segments. Okay, good. Good. Good. All
right. And it doesn't happen that often that people complain
about I saw like we're doing a meet up a week. It's starting
with we start with Sir whole Ji hyung Baronet of Mongkok. 26 one
dollars and 40 cents is our top executive producer. Note
Father's Day is actually the 16th the news versus the 15th
Oops, smiley face and Nope. Yeah. Happy Father's Day pops.
Happy birthday to fellow fine Flag Day babies. Can I get a job
karma? Sir? Whoa, Ji hyung Baronet of Mongkok, Hong Kong it
says
Adam Curry: yeah, of course you can. And we'd also love to get a
little boots on the ground reporting from the crazy
protests that are going on. In Hong Kong. We
John C. Dvorak: have some flips.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well, let me give him as was a jobs karma
here.
Unknown: Jobs, jobs and jobs for jobs. Thank you.
John C. Dvorak: Nick foster comes in as associate our
executive producer at $350 and one penny. Hello, Adam and John
is donations you put me at the required threshold for
knighthood. All right. I don't know. Yes. You know, wacky type.
No wacky title needed. My birthday is Friday the 14th I'll
be 24. I've been unemployed since last late last year, but
at least I'm in talks with my ideal employer. Prior to this, I
was operating a data center for Bitcoin miners. And the downturn
in the market forced us to close oh boy I've been trying out Uber
for the last eight weeks and let me tell you it's not much fun. I
really need to put into over 16 hours a day seven days a week to
make any money jobs karma and Sharpton respect, please.
Adam Curry: Alright Nick, and we'll see you at the roundtable
later on. ESP ICT
Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for John
John C. Dvorak: I go Sabres $2.42 Thanks to you and Adam.
For the consistently high quality infotainment you provide
please sense of jobs karma to my daughters who are new to the
grind and and could use a bump to get themselves where they
want to be. If you could throw in a bingo boom, boom from the
Reverend Manning just for fun. Bingo boom, boom
boom, boom, boom. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. That's their job.
All right.
And Mike Associate Executive Producer 242 says, followed by
Patrick Knight of the Southern Southern California hills $200
Patrick needed the SoCal Hills here's the to the number three
best conservative podcast in the universe.
Adam Curry: I think his name is Patrick Knight of the SoCal
hills.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, well,
Adam Curry: I think it's Sir Patrick actually. Night of I
believe Okay, I think so.
John C. Dvorak: Well, it's still Patrick night of the SoCal I got
it I got Jason totally Oh blood Oh, Poulos or pull us totally,
totally.
Adam Curry: Totally opolis So totally up.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, it is Jason. In the morning, my smokin
hot husband and when it says Jason Jason Oh, Okay Jason and
Emilio that makes sense. I smokin hot husband I can't thank
you enough for your twice weekly sanity check. We travel a lot
for our respective jobs and you guys keep his company for as
long for the long flights around the world. Well, thank you. I
wonder what they did in the rare weeks we're both off the road
will often fall asleep listening to your brilliant deconstruction
as Horowitz likes to say the near the end of it DHL plug
which we know put some people asleep. Don't forget to Donate.
Donate, we've also punched our extended family in the mouth. So
no agenda is truly a family affair for us as my mother in
law Mary's birthday so my husband and I would like to wish
her a very happy birthday and hope she's not too embarrassed
and smiles when she hears this. She is loved. I'm also about to
embark on a potentially lengthy job hunt. So I'd appreciate some
jobs Kermit thanks again love and light, Jason and Emilio.
Adam Curry: Well love and light to you. Thank you very much. And
I'd love to know what what what jobs they have traveling all
around the world. spooks.
Unknown: Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for job. Karma.
John C. Dvorak: Somebody has to infiltrate various communities.
Adam Curry: Yes. I think there were at least there were at
least three spooks at the meetup yesterday.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah, that's yeah, I want to ask you about
that. Because it's always funny because you can talk to people
who are on the lookout, not everybody is that's the problem.
Well, though, it doesn't matter, because you're not gonna do
anything about it anyway. But it's kind of nice to know,
Adam Curry: I think anyone who want to I think anyone who has
an American a was an American, Dutch. And what was my candid
Navy and Pat's like three? No British American and German or
Dutch passport? I think the Dutch one Dutch passport is
great all around the world system spooks love that there
was also one one of our producers just looked like men
in black. He was just dressed it was totally had the black tie
the black suit like spoke
John C. Dvorak: well, he could have been with MI six or
something along those lines is that we're assuming or GH GCHQ.
But the question is, did this did he the spooky character?
Donate
Adam Curry: you know, I have a deja vu and which makes sense. I
have a total deja vu on this. I remember having this exact
conversation about a meet up and about spooks and about donating
and I don't know. I think they flashed me. They must. Because
when men and black flashy what shows up as a deja vu.
John C. Dvorak: I have not ever asked that question.
Adam Curry: There you go. Yes, you have. I'm pretty sure you
have.
John C. Dvorak: I've asked about spooks and how many cigarettes
to meet up. But I don't remember asking if they don't
Adam Curry: freaking out what
John C. Dvorak: jobs card did you get the jobs karma out to
Jason?
Unknown: Just in case jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's
Volker jobs. Karma.
John C. Dvorak: Executive producer doesn't co Associate
Executive producers for show limb 46
Adam Curry: Yes. Now do we want to do the meetups right now or
do we break in again to do that now? It's not that long.
John C. Dvorak: If it's going to be short sure do now be easier.
Yeah. Okay.
Adam Curry: Let me just bring it up here. Okay. Because last
night, we were did everything. Put we didn't even wrote
everything down and get the pub. Oh, it's fantastic. It was you
know it was you're having it's a great pub. It's just a good pub.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's very famous an old alright here's a
legit do all our London meetup should be a dead pub
Adam Curry: it's definitely it's appropriate for us for sure that
not and we were clogging the you know their their the the kitchen
entrance and they were all very new that was nice but not at any
point it and we get pissed off at noise we were making the fire
had the fire hazard Oakland fire hazard we
John C. Dvorak: didn't even clog the place and they're bitching
and moaning at us and then we noticed something in Seattle
Seattle and we've discussed this on the show and people from the
area have told us this Seattleites don't like crowds
they don't a bar doesn't want too many people in my bar to
make too much money I don't know what to do they get out out I
think
Adam Curry: we set the tone and I think we did good business on
us and we probably Shut the place down I don't know Tina and
I left before that took place anyway some thanks from
producers who supported the show with on the spot donations very
interesting to see I don't know if you witnessed this when you
did the meetup John a lot of people went to the bank and got
crisp dollars to to hand in cash so the actual dollars actual
dollars many of them more than I expected. So Martin from the
Welsh Valleys love and lady says $100 And these were crisp and
it's nice when you get a crisp a crisp dollar that's you don't
get those often.
John C. Dvorak: No you have to at the printing press must be
nearby
Adam Curry: or these are these crisp these crisp pound notes
the plastic Another thing that's new to me that that's weird.
John C. Dvorak: You get a kick out of that with oh my god
through
Adam Curry: it. Yeah, yeah, it's like how this feels doesn't
John C. Dvorak: use the Queen's ghost when you look through the
hollow area.
Adam Curry: Let's see nuked said in the evening John and Adam
Keep up the good work and not donated since I saw John in
2017. You guys need to create a crypto address for his anti Pay
Pal folk a lot of requests for that as usual. Please shout out
to my girls Elise and Saskia John, you pronounce Saskia sauce
KR Saskia last time which upset her? She was five back then now
seven. Get Adam to pronounce this Dutch name. Saskia Saskia
Saskia. I hope we did it right. That's 50 pounds. Thank you very
much. Sir Bashir server here came in with 50 pounds. Thank
you very much. Carl Madden from Enfield in London. 60 pounds.
Serve Burton. Ah, yes, he gave us 200 pounds and this was meant
as sanity insurance and he is on the list with an additional
donation today. Which I might as well do now. $168.80 just wanted
to say thank you so much for the show, which is significantly
responsible for keeping a grip on my sanity and amygdala. I had
the honor of attending the London London meetup tonight
which was amazing and such a buzz thanks Adam and Tina for
taking the time out of your honeymoon to do so meant a lot
of great people my first meet up but definitely not my last I
made two donations today $200 To add them in person and 133 via
PayPal 333 pounds total which means I make executive producer
is yes he should be up one level you yes so I can please do this
so I can update my LinkedIn profile apologies it was in two
parts. The man wouldn't let me get any more cash out of bad
planning on my part Oh yes, he had to go to the to the ATM and
he couldn't get enough money out or something like that. It also
means I mean knighthood level at long last yay added to my
monthly contributions over the last 10 years. Tried appallingly
badly to explain to Adam at the meetup but we'd like to request
the title of Sir ghee which is pronounced as in the Indian
clarified butter French gi Gu y ser geek but it'll be GE
hopefully the committee will see it fit. Anyway. You are busy
people they built the FY
John C. Dvorak: gi if he's going to be Sergey like the butter
shouldn't be G H E. That's gi Yeah, he
Adam Curry: just wants G
John C. Dvorak: you sure he didn't say G H E?
Adam Curry: No. He wrote it down in several places. So yes, and
thank you very much for your courage and we will night the
Sergey later on. Then we had Excuse me, sir Luke Reiner, if
you have not his vibe count of London and southeast and the
Southeast 200 pounds. Great to meet Adam in the keeper and in
the same place John and Mimi graced us with their presence. I
hope you enjoyed your brief stay in London feels great to give
you some cold hard cash. Hopefully the commission at the
Bureau to Sean's doesn't screw you too much. Thanks for
visiting Gitmo nation East. He also did professional
photographs of the meet up and they're all over Twitter and
also in the show notes. Sir Matthew Wittering of Greenwich
$150 in US currency. Please find the enclosed 150 Get mo dollars
for the value for value system. I appreciate some jobs, jobs,
jobs karma. We'll do that in a moment. Please. Credits are
Matthew Wittering of Greenwich. PS it was brilliant to meet you
Adam. Tina, John and many people have not forgotten your Meetup
there. Scott $75 Again, printed out requesting a D douching.
You've been D deuced. I was initially going for a 6006 saggy
boobs but rounded it up to 75 All the best to you and Tina I
don't recall if he had saggy boobs. Robin night it was hard
to read this. And it was die oh Sleuth. Couldn't really read his
handwriting was just a just written on the envelope. 100
pounds Robin Thank you very much. Marcus, aka the OLB Oh WB
and his smokin hot girlfriend Jozo $100. Thank you very much.
Was there any note with that? Thanks for the ongoing support
with mental health Well being a regular sanity check in the
morning gentleman. And then we had sir Black Knights or Brian
Barrow of Wootton Bassett Barrow of Barbados 200 pounds, and that
was from I believe the whole family Adam and John thanks this
donation takes me step closer to becoming a he says count, we
have count. Vi count I think it means vi count small price to
pay to keep you on the air. Even better. It should keep me just
ahead of Sir Luke of of London, and also a nice card for Tina
and myself. That's for our marriage is very appreciated.
Sir John of South London $100. Please accept this donation in
my latest installment toward becoming a baron. If you're
taking requests from knights please go to get some
relationship karma for the summer doldrums. Thank you for
the great work on no agenda. Apart from keeping us sane it is
the number one tool to keep our mind sharp and be skeptical of
all that we hear and read ITM T why FYC John Kumar Sir John of
South London again with a nice separate card for the keeper and
myself. Sir Tim Chang 50 pounds from him. I spoke to all these
people that fantastic Rudolph vest Li 300 pounds. So he also
becomes an executive producer. He had the longest note and
we're almost done with them. And he also gave us some elephant
bracelets which was nice. I think that's for good luck for
the for the for the newly married rudo. WLC, Senior
Director at Oracle Consulting at this moment moment trying to get
a job in Dubai, listening from Episode 1021 but haven't donated
yet, so he wants to be. You've been de Deus Ex, he says Call me
a douchebag but now we're deducing you for that please
tell Dvorak to learn something about the microservice
architecture. properly developed and managed micro service based
solutions is more resilient than any current legacy system than
the 911 outage from Episode 1101 definitely was not caused by a
microservice architecture, I'm assuming the 911 system is
running on a virtualized infrastructure that was 50 times
migrated from one provider to another and now it's managed by
people that don't have documentation and don't
understand it. Will take that. Thank you very much. We'll
John C. Dvorak: accept that explanation. But I'm not going
to accept the notion that microservices architecture is
the greatest thing since sliced bread which he implies. dude
named Benny that in the disdaining nerdy voice
Adam Curry: final two here, which he'll appreciate
dude named Ben M five M Hi, Adam, Tina and John finding
close and anonymous donation to the best podcast and universal
100 pounds. I work for the BBC. So do not want to be mentioned
by name. Yes, we understand that. He gave me a lot of
interesting insight into what is going on over there at the BBC.
And then finally, I'm sorry, we have Sir Kevin strange 100
pounds. And vo Dr. London who has a stationary which is I've
never seen this before. It has a beautiful logo and at the top
it's the ZAP a Have you ever heard of this outfit? Is the
zombie apocalypse prevention agency in London 42 pounds from
him, thank you very much. And he wants some goat karma. So we
have some relationship karma, jobs, karma, and goat karma. And
again, thank you everybody who came to the meet up. This was a
great one for us personally, for Tina and myself. It was just it
was really nice. You've made us feel very welcome. And, and it
was, as I said, the most diverse and I just, I'm just, I'm just
full of how wonderful it was jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.
Adam Curry: And that's it for execs, or especially executive
producers and our meetup donations. Remember, we'll be
doing another show on Sunday, I will be coming to you from
Northern Ireland, you can support the show at
Unknown: vora.org/and. A, I'm pretty
Adam Curry: sure you know what's going on here in the UK. That's
why you need to propagate our formula is
Unknown: this. We go out for yet people in the mouth.
John C. Dvorak: I think it's time to get to a little local or
national politics. Yes, please. Let's start with Biden versus
Trump in iOS and ABC. Report,
Unknown: President Trump heading to Iowa today where Joe Biden
was waiting for him. The former Vice President making his most
direct attacks yet
John C. Dvorak: the President is literally an existential threat
to American
Unknown: voters in Ottumwa, Iowa Biden said the president
undermines American values.
John C. Dvorak: But this is a guy who does everything to
separate and frightened people. It's about fear and loathing. No
presidents done something like this. I mean, it's bizarre
Adam Curry: history lesson or just want me to play the whole
clip.
Unknown: And it's damaging.
Biden is eager to look past his Democratic rivals in just one
speech today, he references the president 76 times, Trump is
paying close attention. He was
John C. Dvorak: someplace in Iowa today. And he said my name
so many times that people couldn't stand it anymore. No,
don't keep saying sleepy guy.
Unknown: The President taking a page out of his 2016 playbook
attacking the former vice president stamina and mental
fitness.
John C. Dvorak: He looks different than he used to. He
acts different than he used to. He's even slower than he used to
be. I'd rather run against I think Biden than anybody. I
think he's the weakest mentally. And I like running against
people that are weak mentally. Mr.
Unknown: Why do you think the President says he would rather
run against you than anyone else?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know. I have no idea. Looking forward to
Unknown: Biden is leading in the early polls, but with 23
Democratic candidates to choose from some Democrats we spoke
with today aren't sold yet.
He's a person I really respect. I loved him as vice president,
but I think he just has too much baggage he's accumulated over
the years was Democrats. It's time for some new blood in the
party. What do you make it really stability, stability,
stability, we need somebody that knows
the ropes
John C. Dvorak: that a great clip.
Adam Curry: I'd love the insults also. Has no one jumped on him
for talking about people who are mentally challenged.
John C. Dvorak: No, at this point, they're just they just
the media is doing Trump's bidding against again got it.
Yeah, they're taken because this he's outrageous with his
comments about Biden being sleepy Joe, they got that in
there. And mentally, something's mentally wrong and he was slow.
They put that in because it's like it's colorful and it
lightens up the report. But if they're really out to get Trump
Adam Curry: there when they think they're they're really
John C. Dvorak: think they're doing themselves. A service they
think they're doing the Democrats is service by pointing
out Trump's that, that Trump says these things, not
realizing. Again, it's a stupidity thing. Yeah. Not
realizing that this is the kind of thing that sticks in people's
minds. Sleepy Joe. He's mentally incompetent. He's not he's
dumber than he used to be.
Adam Curry: I was surprised he hasn't brought up the taken his
head at the top of his head off twice.
John C. Dvorak: I am I don't think he knows go. The only
people that listen if he listens to the show. He knows. I don't
think that many people know about that. Yeah.
Adam Curry: It would be a perfect follow on I mean, they
took the top of his head off twice. I mean, well, how can he
be president? Who knows what they put in there? I can write
this stuff for him all day long.
John C. Dvorak: Maybe it's something he's saving. I'm not
sure. Media is just, and they put these packages together and
it did become hilarious if you listen to him. Yeah, like now we
had this woman, or CBS did a report on. Let's see what is the
CBS one because I have the I can give you the TV the ISOs I've
Adam Curry: already teased Ortiz is that who you're thinking of?
John C. Dvorak: Northeast is a baseball player was shot. Oh,
okay. I would, I'm going to just give you an end. I'm going to do
the ISOs I'm gonna play the three ISOs that I found. Okay.
And then they'll show up in different clips.
Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, this is like a treasure hunt.
Yes.
John C. Dvorak: So this one here is his woman Lisa Chang, or
Lisa. She's a Chinese kind of Chinese on Oh, was she Chinese
American or Chinese? I can't tell. But she's on CBS. And she
can't print it. She can't pronounce Putin ba She's worse
than the other one for one. So the wall will girl who will used
to be on RT you couldn't say push you get Putin. Putin Putin
put in disco can even get that out. Listen to this with
Unknown: Russian President Vladimir Putin later
Adam Curry: this. Putin. What does she say?
John C. Dvorak: She throws it together Putin that she did. I
just was not my clipping her that way. She can't say Putin
here
Unknown: again with Russian President Vladimir Putin later.
Is
Adam Curry: very Putin. Putin. Putin.
John C. Dvorak: Was that beside the woman from YouTube? Is that
important? Yes. Okay, now we got a classic the new Whoa, whoa,
whoa, from burning. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa.
Adam Curry: Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on. Whoo. Whoo.
Whoo. Whoo. Whoo. How's that? Go again? The Bernie thing. Whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, he does he Yeah, he does. Whoa, he does.
Well, who am I have it here. Let me see. Yes. So let me reverse
this one. So this is oops, this one here. Whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And this is a different one. Now. I have
to find it. I like this though. This is definitely this is Whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is perfect. I think
that's a contender. That's a big contender. contender. Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: And then there's the perjury ISO.
Unknown: So are you worried about perjury? Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: That's just another reporter shouting,
Adam Curry: I think yeah, I think I think Bernie takes it.
John C. Dvorak: Well, I would say so too. Okay. All right. So
let's go to the other. Let's go with we have Trump and Poland
part one. Yes. What do you have flyover and everything was
weight training at a Polish guy there and then he's doing sales
and lobbyists. Funny.
Unknown: Today, Washington DC saw and heard something that
hasn't happened in more than 100 years. It was a staged military
flyover of the White House, we just Xiang on what it was all
about.
A single F 35 fighter jet flew over the White House celebrating
two things President Trump is fond of a good deal and a good
show. He watched the display with Polish president Andrzej
Duda and their wives just minutes before making this joint
announcement.
John C. Dvorak: I was very pleased that Poland announced
the intent to purchase 32 American made F 35. fighter
aircraft like you just saw
Unknown: the F 35. The most expensive US weapons program
ever is projected to top a trillion dollars over its
lifespan, an hour of flight time is about $44,000. The defense
deal with Warsaw also includes the deployment of one to 2000 US
troops to Poland, which will cover the cost to support them
John C. Dvorak: we'd be taking them out of Germany or would be
moving them from another location do die had
Unknown: pushed for more US service members and even
suggested setting up the permanent base called Fort
Trump.
Adam Curry: For Trump. He's going for legacy man. Something,
something that can be changed in 20 years because just like Ford
like Confederacy, no good.
John C. Dvorak: They started off this report by saying they
haven't had a flyover since for 100 years is what she says. So
she's saying that in 1990,
Adam Curry: the Wright brothers flew Oh,
John C. Dvorak: who the hell? What display was flying over the
white house in 1990? I'd like to know I'd like to know too. Was
it an F 35? I don't really think now did the F 35.
Adam Curry: Hover? Did it to do its trick did it?
John C. Dvorak: No, it did. It just flew over because it can do
stuff. It flew over slowly though.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it can do a very slow pass. It's that I'm
impressed by the aircraft. But otherwise it's most people
things a piece of crap. Most business, people who have to fly
it think it's a piece of crap. Mine. Yeah. Well, here's
John C. Dvorak: part two of that report just from President
Unknown: Trump he up. The Polish president talked about the need
to beef up security in the region in response to heightened
Russian aggression. Mr. Trump said this about Moscow,
are you hope that Poland is going to have a great
relationship with Russia? I think it's possible. I really
do. I think because of what you've done and the strength and
maybe we help also.
A President Trump is expected to meet with Russian President
Vladimir Putin later this month on the sidelines of the G 20.
Summit in Japan. And with Chinese President Xi Jinping, as
those two leaders tried to work out a trade deal. Margaret, was
just sharing at
Adam Curry: the White House. I got one clip from this because
there was one topic I was particularly interested in. In
regards to Poland. As you recall, the President, when he
was still running for office, went to the Polish community and
said within two weeks, I will have Poland in the Visa Waiver
Program, which is seeing as they're a member of the European
Union, it is unbelievable that they have been shunned from the
Visa Waiver Program. You can't just hop on a plane do a little
extra paperwork, which you can do online and enter the United
States. We have many thoughts on why that is? I would say
John C. Dvorak: I think the main thought is is blamed on Israel.
Adam Curry: Yes. Well, there's there's a huge movement in the
United States even telling Congress, Senate and House of
Representatives equally, do not do business with Poland because
they killed the Jews were their concentration camps. I'm
paraphrasing, but that's kind of what it comes down to. And
here's what Trump said.
John C. Dvorak: I also want to congratulate Poland for its
progress on meeting us criteria for entry into the Visa Waiver
Program. Today, our country signed a preventing and
combating serious crimes agreement, a significant
unnecessary step for Poland's entry into the program, though
we still have some work to do. We hope to welcome Poland into
the Visa Waiver Program. Very soon. Oh, that's a very big
deal.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we'll see. There's a lot of the anti Polish
hatred in in our Congress.
John C. Dvorak: Yes. And they're the same guys who bitch and moan
about Trump cozying up to Netanyahu. Yeah. Yeah, who of
course is under attack. I have a bonus clip is kind of
interesting. Because I think this is kind of lame.
Unknown: But when Israeli voters go to the polls in September,
they will have one more factor to consider this time. It's the
Prime Minister's wife, Sarah Netanyahu has agreed to plead
guilty in one of several corruption cases facing the
Netanyahu family. Or on Lieberman explains.
The case against Sarah Netanyahu involves the illegal ordering of
catered meals to the official Prime Minister's residence in
Jerusalem. Sarah Netanyahu, along with a manager of the
residents ordered nearly $50,000 of meals according to an updated
indictment filed in court Wednesday. That's illegal under
Israeli law when there's already an official chef at the
residence and prosecutors say there was one at the time, Sarah
Netanyahu pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking
advantage of a mistake.
John C. Dvorak: Know what kind of what kind of a charge is
unfairly taking advantage of a mistake?
Adam Curry: It's something else do they have something losers
do?
John C. Dvorak: Loosely taking advantage of a mistake is what
she's charged with. He ended up in guilty
Adam Curry: is that that's an actual charge.
John C. Dvorak: Did you hear the end?
Adam Curry: I know, but is it really true what it was?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know. It just seems to
Adam Curry: me here the end again, that was that was when
Unknown: Israeli voters
go to the polls and that's illegal under Israeli law when
there's Netanyahu alone with a manager of the residence ordered
nearly $50,000 of meals according to an updated
indictment filed in court Wednesday. That's illegal under
Israeli law when there's already an official chef at the
residence and prosecutors say there was one at the time Sarah
Netanyahu pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking
advantage of a mistake.
Adam Curry: This is this must be some biblical shit.
John C. Dvorak: This guy What else could make sense of the Old
Testament?
Adam Curry: What else could make sense like that?
John C. Dvorak: Completely be fuddling
Adam Curry: Hey, Hillary showed up on a podcast. Ha Yes. Yes.
She's still running in your mind. She's still getting ready.
John C. Dvorak: She's ready to go to the cosmic weenie side
contenders. 2000 to 2020, which is linked, we linked to it all
the time. In fact, on the last newsletter, I believe it was
linked to on one of the photos. And I still have it, because I'm
just going by what I've witnessed is right now Biden is
dead. I'm sorry, Bernie is still number one in my book, followed
by Hillary, if she chooses to run, she will jump, immediately
go to that spot. And it's almost like a French, three star chef.
Before he opens the restaurant, they grant him to stop ours
without even sight unseen, right? That's my healer. That's
true. Well, these
Adam Curry: are true. These are producer produced clips from the
unredacted. podcast to short ones. This I found to be the
most interesting, do you tell them if they're if they say,
Hey, I'm
Unknown: gonna get to cybersecurity, do Tom, you might
want to do it yesterday?
John C. Dvorak: I do. I do, Emily, because, but But I, I
worry that it's probably too late. By the time they come to
see me, I would bet that the leading candidates have already
been hacked. This is a biggest crisis. They're both their
campaign account. And if they're in public office, and there
enough of a high profile candidate, their Senate office
or their congressional office or their governor's office. Yeah,
that's a big statement. Well, that's what I believe.
Adam Curry: And she would be the one to know, considering the
political spying that she allegedly made between 2012 and
2016. I have to say allegedly, second clip is about Clooney. Do
you
Unknown: want to hear my crazy idea? Yes, I love so this is a
crazy idea. But I think it's brilliant. They came up with it.
George Clooney should run for Mitch McConnell Senate seat.
John C. Dvorak: That's a wonderful idea. There's not a
chance in whatever. And he would do that. I mean, and besides, I
think Amal would probably kill him with the twins and
everything going on in their lives. But he'd be great.
Adam Curry: We always knew she was the handler, but you don't
have to be that explicit about it. Hill. Oh, crazy.
John C. Dvorak: Well, yes, since I missed it,
Adam Curry: yeah. Not just on the State Department and the
spying stuff. And this is our local US politics. So there's,
there's an important piece of information that came out about
the steel dossier as it relates to the State Department. And not
necessarily this is when I believe John Kerry was running
the State Department. And it's the first one is about this. The
Ukrainian guy Kilimnik, I think his name is who was then one of
the main reasons I think Manafort went to jail, is
because he was talking to Kilimnik and was giving Kilimnik
the polling results, the secret polling results and passing on
information, even though Manafort wasn't convicted of any
of that stuff, as far as I know. That was really the insinuations
like, oh, you know, he was with Kilimnik with Clem Nick was
Russia ties to Russia, oligarchs, Russia, Russia,
Russia, Russia,
Unknown: and a key finding of the Mueller report Ukrainian
businessman and Constantine Kilimnik who worked for Trump
campaign chairman Paul Manafort is tied to Russian intelligence
but hundreds of pages of government documents which
Special Counsel Robert Mueller possess since 2018. Describe
Kilimnik as a quote sensitive intelligence source for the US
State Department who informed on Ukrainian and Russian matters
why Muller's team omitted that part of the Kilimnik narrative
from its report and related court filings is not known, but
the revelation of it comes as the accuracy of Muller's Russia
conclusions face increased scrutiny. Solomon continues,
quote, the incomplete portrayal of Kilimnik is so important to
Muller's overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of
his report, the FBI assesses Kilimnik to have ties to Russian
intelligence molars team wrote on page six, putting a sinister
light on every context Clem Nick had with Manafort, the former
Trump campaign chairman.
Adam Curry: We gotta get these millennials out of the news
business girl
John C. Dvorak: on ecstasy, you're sad.
Adam Curry: said we gotta get these kids out of the news
business. So along with that goes, goes the next clip, which
is Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, who is apparently living with
Sean Hannity now to make sure he's on the air every night.
Unknown: There was more than one dossier. You had the steel
dossier. And it looks like you had a dossier created by
Jonathan Winer at the State Department using as a source not
only steel but Folks like Sidney Blumenthal Clinton aide or
Powell, and Cody shear who goes back for a long time with the
Clinton group. This is just incredible in the sense that
everyone's been thinking that is to just department, the FBI.
That's where the all the bad activities was taking place.
Secretary Pompeo needs to be working with ag Barr as closely
as any other agency head in terms of decoding the deep state
conspiracy against then candidate Trump. And then
President Trump and they were they were desperate to get this
information out to their friendly Democrats on the Hill,
just before Trump was inaugurated. And it wasn't to
help President Trump it was trying to destroy him and
undermine him.
Adam Curry: Everyone who was who was paying close attention to
this all jacked up. Oh, yeah, they're going down. People go
into jail. And I don't think so.
John C. Dvorak: I don't think I don't think so for
Adam Curry: a second. This is all great, but now, I really
don't think so. But we'll see. There are people much smarter
than you and I on the case.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's probably true. But doesn't mean
he was going to final political. One of the big there's one big
story, the big story today. The story that I like is the one I'm
gonna like, talk about a little bit, which is the census report.
And the question in the scandal, because they have geo Trump
saying something, you know, on the air and it's
Adam Curry: the census report or just the census. What exactly
the
John C. Dvorak: census is the question that's on the census
that asked for
Adam Curry: your citizen if you're a citizen or not. Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. So we have two clips on this. Okay. First,
let's play this with this the contempt over the census
question. If the clip I'm thinking of it's a gem
Unknown: across the Capitol, another vote to hold the
attorney general in contempt of Congress and the commerce
secretary to the Democrats who lead the House Oversight
Committee said the men had stonewalled efforts to
investigate how a controversial new citizenship question ended
up in the US Census that's designed
John C. Dvorak: to intimidate and then still fear.
The administration retaliated by exerting executive privilege
over the census documents Congress wants, as the President
defended the new question,
I think when you have a census, and you're not allowed to talk
about whether or not somebody's a citizen or not, that doesn't
sound so good to me.
Unknown: The supreme court is expected to rule this month on
whether the citizenship question can be included in the 2020
census. Experts have warned that the question will discourage
some immigrant families from filling out the forms. Thereby
Margaret, skewing
population data.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, all right. That wasn't the clip. I want it
but that's
Adam Curry: fine. It was okay. So that's the background. Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: Play the clip contempt. Well, that's the one I
just sent this.
Adam Curry: That's the one I just played. You play contempt?
Yeah. Contempt over census question. Oh,
John C. Dvorak: that's weird. Okay, play the bonus clip.
Dennis's bonus Trump on census.
Adam Curry: I don't have oh, yes, I do. No. Exec privilege.
Yes. President
Unknown: spoke about invoking executive privilege. Let's
listen. Well, I
John C. Dvorak: think that I'm not overly involved in that
that's really a legal matter. But I think when you have a
census, and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not
somebody's a citizen or not, that doesn't sound so good to
me. Can you imagine you send out a census, and you're not allowed
to say whether or not a person's an American citizen? In Poland?
They'd say they're either polish or they're not right. So I don't
want to get you into this battle. But it's it's it's
ridiculous. I think it's I think it's totally ridiculous that we
would have a census without asking, but the Supreme Court is
going to be ruling on it soon. I think when a census goes out,
you should find out whether or not and you have the right to
ask whether or not somebody is a citizen of the United States.
Unknown: A controversial decision there, because it is
not a citizenship poll. It is a population poll. And some
critics say that this would dissuade some people from being
counted the issue to him he actually seems to be condoning
the idea of knowing who's a citizen and who is not even
though this information is not supposed to be shared. That's
not what someone taking the census would believe if they
were filling out that question.
Absolutely. It is, is something that we have not seen before and
that is why the Supreme Court is going to have to decide it. You
no involved or not. He has made his views extremely clear.
Adam Curry: I thought we had seen this before.
I thought it was on the Census at one point in history, wasn't
it?
John C. Dvorak: It may or may not have been but I'm more
interested in this in this skewed or skewed presentation by
CNN. I don't know who this woman is. It was Dana Bash she was
doing. She was interviewing as though she's someone to be
interviewed. She's a reporter as reporters interviewing
reporters. But what she
Adam Curry: she states she She's married to who used to be
married to some, like, agency guy.
John C. Dvorak: danobat. Yeah, I think so. Could be. Yeah. But
she goes on she makes this comment which sticks into Korea
was stick in some people's minds. As First of all, let's
talk about this the census thing. After I bring up at least
this one point, let
Adam Curry: me read from let me read from the United States
Constitution Article One section two, it states, quote,
representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the
states according to their respective numbers. The actual
enumeration shall be made within three years after the first
meeting of the Congress of the United States and when within
every subsequent term of 10 years, section two of the 14th
Amendment states representatives shall be apportioned among the
several States according to their respective numbers
counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding
Indians not taxed.
That's it.
John C. Dvorak: And so she says she says it's not a citizen
poll. It's not a poll. She says it was not as poll at all she
says it's not a citizen poll. It's a population poll. It's not
a poll, it's a count. But when she says that I want to read
from the first page of the Census Bureau's website. The
first census counted the population to provide
information on population by country by county in 1790. The
census also categorized white males by age, those under 16 and
those aged 16 and older.
Adam Curry: That's a race that's race. Hello, race. That's not a
part of the job as a
John C. Dvorak: white male. Yes. And it's not a white male poll.
It's a population poll over that nobody said that. Over the years
Congress has authorized additional questions, enabling
us to better understand the nation's inhabitants and their
activities and knees. In fact, one of the nation's founders
James Madison suggested that in the that the Census takers ask
additional questions that would help lawmakers better understand
the needs of the nation. Wait a minute, is just a population
poll. And it goes on with all the examples that they started
asking about how many children were born, but to a specific
woman, how many Hispanics there are the growth of the Spanish
population, computer usage apparently has gotten into the
poll, the poll, the census, the census, the census itself. But
so this is disingenuous to say it's not a it's not a citizen,
Polis population poll,
Adam Curry: all all of this is bullshit. The only thing that
needs to be done is enumeration counting, it's only count
everything else that has been put in and has been used before,
after the after the this was in the Constitution is outside of
the scope. It should be. You shouldn't even have to say how
many people live in my house. It's everyone's go out. We count
everybody and go home.
John C. Dvorak: That's it. Yeah. They gave a date with that ended
about 18. Oh, of course it did. Just saying. But if you're going
to ask a bunch of questions, I don't think that the citizenship
question is out of the ordinary? No. So I'll take that. But I'm
going to take the side of the other side and try to understand
what they're thinking I know what they're thinking. They're
worried sick, and they talk about it. The Democrats I'm
talking about here are worried sick that because the question
just appears that all this you know the illegals that 30
million or 10 million, or how many million you want to count,
won't answer the question they won't take, they will eliminate
themselves from the polls, by just by their nature of being
suspicious and with good reason, I'd say but they're suspicious
so they won't take up. And it'll lower the numbers in states like
California and Texas, in areas where there's a large immigrant
community of illegals, illegal aliens, I'll use the term and
that the numbers will be skewed which will give the whites more
power over the over the illegals in Congress and over the
Democrats in particular, because these people, they the
Democrats, in a funny way, are admitting that the illegals,
vote for them almost exclusively, and they need to be
counted so we can get more. You know, we can apportion more
representatives to areas that are largely illegal aliens that
will represent the Democrat Party in Congress. So it's both
sides are kind of playing a game here. Yeah, they're not quite
bringing it out the way you know, the Republicans are
playing the denial. I don't know. I don't think so. Don't we
we're not trying to pull a stunt. And the Democrats aren't
quite saying what I just said, which is yeah, they're pulling a
stunt to screw us because all these illegal aliens are voting
for US illegally. And so we have to put up with these news
stories that are half assed and women like this anchors Dang
world's not a citizenship poll. It's a it's a population poll.
Adam Curry: I like I like your Dana Bash voice.
John C. Dvorak: Well, was it Dana Bash that was doing it?
Adam Curry: I'm sorry that the anchor well strictly taken from
the Constitution. It was just a headcount done and it didn't
matter at the time if you were citizen or not. I don't think
that passports that they did. Maybe they do, right. Did they
have passports?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know passports. In fact, it was just
passports have disappeared throughout history on and off
again. Apparently the last global effort to globalize the
world you know globalized that will the country's was just
before this is a bad story. I mean, I I've researched it
somewhat, but just before World War One. The passport situation
with Schengen was like really the thing because we were
globalizing it'd be going great and global trade was way up and
the numbers look good. But because there's no passports and
no citizenships or people just roaming around, that's how that
guy just roamed over to Austria wherever he went to shoot that
guy that started World War One. Yes, France fair. For all for
like it kind of is now in Europe for just floating around. And
there was no the passports were just they came back into vogue
after the World War One. And this is leading this now we got
the same repeating of history. And we're going to lead to
another war some sort. Yeah.
Adam Curry: You know, there was a, a brief period in the history
of the show where we were talking about, I think, was in
Texas, to now I should probably run for Congress. And we we
discussed this a little bit. And at a certain point, if I recall
IIRC, that you said it would be great, because we would love to
see the slow corruption of Adam curry. Do you recall this
John C. Dvorak: member saying that, but it's something like
say,
Adam Curry: Alexandria, Ocasio Cortez is actually going through
that process right now. And right, and this clip is her on
the street, or the being interviewed on the streets of
DC, after she had just voted for a pay increase for all of
Congress. And these things are always very interesting these
pay increases, the population in general hates it. And why
because well, a congress critter makes, I think $170,000 a year.
And this was a $4,500 annual pay increase, to make up for what we
call the cost of living. Now, it's always a tough one for
politicians, because of course, they want more money. But it's a
lot of money they're already getting, you probably need a lot
of money to be a politician and function in in DC. So she so she
voted for, for the pay increase. Her defense is mind boggling,
especially with the modern monetary theory that she and her
like minded colleagues espouse, which is print as much money as
we need green New Deal 10 trillion before that is exactly
what creates the disparity in wages and cost of living. When
you inflate the money supply, the money becomes less valuable,
and you need more of it to buy goods and services and pay rent
or mortgages etc. That is a hidden tax, it diminishes the
value of your money. So for anyone to on one hand, say oh,
we really need to, you know, we need this pay increase, but on
the other hand, wants to inflate the money supply by a factor of
100. It's It's kind of insane. But listen to how she defends
voting for this pay increase
Unknown: why there's so much pressure to turn to lobbying
firms and to cash in on on member service after people
leave because because precisely of of this issue, so it may be
politically convenient. And it may make you look good in the
short term for saying oh, we're not voting for pay increases,
but we should be fighting for pay increases for every American
worker, we should be fighting for a $15 minimum wage pegged to
inflation so that everybody in the United States with a salary
with with a wage gets a cost of living increase. Members of
Congress, retail workers, everybody should get cost of
living increases to accommodate for the changes in our economy.
And then when we don't do that it only increases the pressure
on members to exploit loopholes like insider trading loopholes
to make it on the back end. So we think
there's that
Adam Curry: So you're gonna say this again. But I just want you
to understand what she said, by not having enough money as a
politician members is what she means by not having enough money
for the cost of living at your 170,000 base salary. Now, it is
bad because this makes members want to take high paying lobby
jobs after they leave. And to use insider trading loopholes,
which we've talked about extensively on this podcast as
you are immune from insider trading, if you make laws, and
you have a law on the books, or you know about someone in
Congress, and it's going to affect the sector, and you buy
or sell stock based upon that, it is completely legal for them
to do as long as they report it, which is recorded somewhere in
the basement of the Library of Congress.
John C. Dvorak: They refuse to put it there these transactions
on online. Exactly. That's the scandal, but she's saying
Adam Curry: she only been out she'd been there a couple
months. She's already saying that she already knows she
already knows about the loopholes in the scams, and
she'll double down on it,
Unknown: economy. And then we'll we'll jump to that it only
increases the pressure on members to exploit loopholes
like insider trading loopholes to make it on the backend. So we
think there's I think there's a tendency to obviously think and
take it out on this institution, because it's an optics issue,
they don't want
to. And that's my issue is that it's superficial, you know, you
can, you can vote against pay increases all you want, it's, in
my opinion, voting against a PE voting against a, it's not even
like a race, it's a cost of
Adam Curry: living adjustment. So it's not even like a raise
its cost of living adjustment, you can vote against the cost
Unknown: of living adjustment all you want. And it'll look
good on its surface, but it will every cost of living adjustment,
that that gets bypassed, is voting to increase the pressure
to exploit loopholes, and legal loopholes to kind of lean on
other ways to enrich myself to service. And so my whole side of
it is like, it may not be optics, it may not be great
optics, it may not like look the best and in terms of your
opponents could use it as a political exploit as a political
issue. But in substance, you might as well be transparent
about a cost of living increase fight for a cost of living
increase for all American workers pegged the minimum wage
to a cost of living increase. And then on top of it to close
all of the loopholes that a lot of people use when it comes to,
you know, who's sitting on a committee and knowing what
legislation may be coming down the the loophole and changing
your stock holdings are letting you know, these are real issues.
And I don't think that voting against a toss of limiting case
is going to negate the actual issues. In fact, it only
increases the pressure for people to explain.
Adam Curry: If I were a member, and I looked at these optex. I
would immediately FOIA her stock holdings. She is he mentioned it
too many times. She's on committee she chairs the
committee. I'd like to know
John C. Dvorak: but I think she chairs the subcommittee.
Adam Curry: She still is she still is in committee. She knows
what she knows she knows
John C. Dvorak: what's going on. And she knows all about this
rule and somebody and he's she's run by this justice Democrat,
the team the number one team that the go to guys who once
Adam Curry: again were not there when she made the statement when
they she's loose, she's loose on the streets probably lectured
John C. Dvorak: her about it because she knows about it, and
they know about it. And so they decide they may be how did they
deal with their portfolio? Yeah, well, it's not in center. You
know, it depends on what you how you're going to define insider
you if you just follow legislation, and then you invest
or not invest is not the same as being an insider it is, even
though it is for the legislated people. But if you're being
tipped off by them, and it's not illegal for them to do it, I
think is legal for you to do the trading too. So they're probably
Adam Curry: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's illegal. I just
like to not I just like to know it should be public. Let's just
she mentioned that. That's the problem is she mentioned it
let's find out about it. Well, you can go into the archives and
you can get it but someone has to go and do the work.
John C. Dvorak: You have to go into Washington DC and then go
down and do that might not be a bad trip to make. I might do it
myself.
I'm gonna show us no agenda. Imagine all the people who could
do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun
Yeah, we do have a few people to thank
for I go to Washington DC to spend my time and
Adam Curry: I'm already purchasing a ticket online for
you. I'd love to see you go do that. You kidding. That's great.
Right.
John C. Dvorak: Do it. I mean, I got things I could do in
Washington DC. Okay. Oh there is again gi Bert 10. D is in v is
the 168. This is 168 80 donation and different note. Oh, by the
way, so the one of the things about today's show, we mentioned
Father's Day in the newsletter. So Adam is going to read
alongside as I go through these and we have a Father's Day call
out. And we have a few of them. I want to mention to the dad I
said I would it was an open ended donation that you could
donate any amount and then say hello to Dad, you do
Adam Curry: not have to do ghee because I did him in the meetup
notes. We read that one so you can go straight to Sir herb Lane
note. Yeah, I read the same note. That's the one I read.
John C. Dvorak: Okay. Sure. Herb lamb follows him up with
$160.16. And he is going to oh, he's going to be Earl. We should
put him on the upgrade list.
Adam Curry: Oh, let me see. Oh, I see on the list. I don't know
if I saw him that.
John C. Dvorak: My California vibe count of Georgia to Earl of
Georgia and such. Okay.
Adam Curry: Yes. This was not on the list. So I will add this
title change and he has a Father's Day double boob
donation I think is what this is 808 plus 808 for Father's Day.
Yeah. And it is Sir her blam becomes URL. Okay.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, no a call out but maybe it's for himself.
Double the set of boobs. Yes, sure. Shawn and MOYOCK North
Carolina $100. Kevin McLean. $100. Oh, yeah, we do have a
report. We have an A that's for reports. Kevin McLean. Kevin
McLean is going to report in from L the L Dhafer. region of
Abu Dhabi.
Adam Curry: Okay, hold on a second. What we need to do we
have new report to sound effect or something. Let me see.
Thunder. Here we go. We have
John C. Dvorak: an update here. Report from El Darfur region of
Abu Dhabi. It's hot. And there's a lot of sand.
Adam Curry: Thank you for that report.
John C. Dvorak: It's a report. It's a report McLean $100 Rob
Van Dyck $100 Alexander souls burger 808. Which I would think
would be a bunch of Father's Day donations. I'm going to
encourage people to be a Sunday show as Father's Day. Donate 808
and Father's Day it's a great idea. Paul Webb I do say so
myself. $75 Happy
Adam Curry: Father's days and my dad Chris Webb, who overcame a
heart transplant last year. I'm Happy Father's Day to John and
Adam gutted I missed the London meet up Sir Paul from Twickenham
were gutted as well, Paul, but thank you very much.
John C. Dvorak: Anonymous $75
Adam Curry: It was an honor D Day I guess. He said oh yeah.
Thank you.
John C. Dvorak: Once people read IBM in the holocaust by Edwin
black
Adam Curry: let your buddy is going to read holy cow. Isn't
that your friend? Yeah, he's
John C. Dvorak: an old friend of mine. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's a good read.
John C. Dvorak: Great. Investigative writer. He's done
stuff that is jaw dropping. I don't see him anymore. I don't
know. You know, I should track him down. Well, he'd be a good
interview. There you go. Daniel Walraven 75 think it's got MC
clip.
Adam Curry: It's vol Wrotham. Law Ross's Dutch vote often Yes.
Well, Robin,
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douching. And a surgery karma from my father deducing now
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Wisconsin. 6204. An instance in condo condo rent in Carmel put
that at the end. Christopher dektor 5678 Gavin Haberfield
field to do 151 ndimension Benjamin Doolin 51. Robert deck
and now the following people receive $50 donors. We didn't
get a lot of donations. Robert, so luckily, we had to meet up
now. Robert Deccani in Fairfax, Virginia John Ferris and liberal
Kansas. Thomas Burke. 50 In Parts Unknown are a Michael boom
in London. I don't know I Kimberly Redman in Toronto,
Ontario, Robert Bruckner. Kevin Silverman in Severn, Maryland,
Robert Karabakh in Essex Ville, Michigan, Heather Roger Craig is
in Stockton, California. You can return Hava in Pine knocker Very
good. Cassidy Eastwood in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. She
lives in San Diego, California. Market Johnson and Aurora
Keller, Colorado, Brandon civili in Port orchard, Washington and
last Robert Weber of Lake Forest California and Dean Patricia
Worthington. In Miami, Florida let me gonna go down the list
and just see if there's any call outs for anyone do to do
Adam Curry: I do have a follow on note from Dame Lisa Do you
remember her from the last show was an incident there she works
for liberty nation.com And she did have a follow up which I
thought was good to share unless you have anything else any call
outs there that's it, but you got I have not
John C. Dvorak: seen anything.
Adam Curry: She says. Liberty nation.com poll fittingly while
flying across the country. Not sure everyone was happy when I
Oh, okay. I first heard your response to the Liberty
nation.com poll fittingly while flying across the country. I'm
not sure everyone was happy when I burst into loud spontaneous
laughter while listening to the show. You too are a riot if you
did was to clean up I am not number two at Liberty nation. I
am editor in chief I am number one
John C. Dvorak: she was number two I did
Adam Curry: I said I said I said she's not the number one and
number two because I think she didn't found the company but
John C. Dvorak: oh you can say well yeah you to Adam would be
the type that would always consider a founder
Adam Curry: number one yes. I don't know what I'm talking
about. Yes. So she is the big kahuna Editor in Chief. I will
tell you for certain we did not step on the pole. I double A
double check this double check this with Mark and Julius I
think it is managing editor at Liberty nation. He did say his
feelings are a bit hurt though. Because he actually does listen
to no agenda in the UK and when one of you that will be me, said
the author of the article who was Mark only listened to five
minutes he got a bit miffed.
John C. Dvorak: Did he go to the meetup?
Adam Curry: My point exactly let me see personally, I hope you
guys kissing makeup perhaps play him a Karma jingle that might do
the trick. I tried to get him to go to the meetup. But he was
just in London covering the anti Trump chlorinated chicken
protests. Oh, no, no. Well, okay, well anyway, oh, he's not
in his best interest and he's in the UK now in London.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, they're pretty they're bitching are not
just in London, but around the world. They're bitching about us
shipping our chickens? Yeah. We chloric we dropped them in a
chlorinated as a chlorine bath that the chickens go through to
kill salmonella and make chickens you know and stuff.
Birds
Adam Curry: is a slogan here and now it's a Brexit slogan. That's
why it's being used here. They just say oh, yeah, you want
chlorinated chicken. It's, that's you hear every 10 minutes
in the media in the UK. And the reason why is the EU the
European Union's doesn't allow chlorinated chicken. They just
give it to you with the salmonella. So people are very,
very worried that it's natural when they Brexit, then then
they'll only be eating chlorinated chicken. It's one of
those times
John C. Dvorak: guessing although I don't know if this is
a fact but it would seems likely because this equipment is being
manufactured and sold by the group Boatload that the chicken
in coming out of those, those robot factories in Holland
largely have a gamma radiation exposure at the end of the line
and you blast the chicken with some gamma radiation and that
which we should be doing here. And that would kill that would
do the job of the chlorine. Well, it would internalize it
too. And I think
Adam Curry: we we concluded on the last show, it's a dumb meat.
And I think everyone who reads Dmitri done me by the way, guys,
Liberty nation is a conservative website. While we do have two
staunch libertarians on our writing staff of 12 authors We
are primarily a run of the mill group of deplorables because we
are Liberty nation I kind of feel live and let live is the
best policy I am curious as to why you thought we were
primarily a libertarian site well because on your site it
says you got libertarians and gays and blacks and Jews and
whatever so I figured you couldn't be conservative that
doesn't sound right.
We were just questioning
John C. Dvorak: as usual. Okay. What No, I mean I don't know one
way or the other I'm unbelt my pay more attention that site
it's nice it's good site to candles things properly.
Adam Curry: That's it that's it Well, I think you said they see
more libertarian it doesn't matter it's just a label
John C. Dvorak: said that because I think that yeah, okay.
Adam Curry: No one cares if you got good information.
John C. Dvorak: This is fine. Yeah, well, she's
Adam Curry: editor in chief she's the number one she has
every right to she's a dame Editor in Chief. As usual. You
guys were right on I queried the staff as to whether this poll
focuses on only conservative podcasts or podcasts
conservatives love to download and listen to. It is indeed what
they prefer to listen to. So we added an asterix or asked tick
as as The what's his face would say, Al Sharpton stick we add an
AST tic in the story for clarification with a hat tip to
no agenda. Oh, they went back and edited very good. So yes.
Now she has one question. Just a couple of other beautiful things
to say. But she says yes, Dame is nice, but if we're dishing
out title, she'd like to be known as a lady. And I think if
you're Dame then you by definition, Our Lady so and so.
Because a knight is sir. So a dame is a lady. And I think Lady
Lisa sounds good.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, it's what should be referred to? That's
fine. Okay. And we can put that in the notes. Yeah, we'll do
that. So the name of the game was to be referred to as Lady.
That's fine. We got it. It's approved, immediately approved
by the peerage committee. You heard ad hoc?
Adam Curry: Well, thank you to everyone who supported the
program. For this show. Obviously, we always want to
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John C. Dvorak: Interesting. This is another example of a
fail of
Adam Curry: guess what micro services architecture.
John C. Dvorak: That's what it is.
Adam Curry: It's a big fail of microservices architecture. And
we did it. You're right. Oh, well. So yeah, so everything's
effectively broken right now. So it'd be great if whoever
registered that could could fix it. But thank you to our
executive producers, Associate Executive Producers all of the
we had still had some stragglers on the 75 D Day. We've got the
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Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs. You've got
karma
Adam Curry: it's gonna be pretty short and sweet and easy to do.
Today is June 13 2019. Here's our birthday list only to Nick
foster turns 24 tomorrow and Jason and Emilio say happy
birthday to mom Mary happy birthday for everybody here at
the best podcast in the universe don't want to be a douchebag and
also one today on the title change list but it's an
important one sir herb lamb has upped his status he now becomes
Earl of the GMO nation. Thank you and are full of the info
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sir herb lamb and we've got two for the knighting table. Oh,
where's my historic? You brought the short somewhere it is. But
yeah, got it. There we go. You got yours.
John C. Dvorak: Here's mine. Okay, perfect. All right.
Adam Curry: Up here on the podium to the roundtable. Nick
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have asked for it. I think you should do it. Especially you see
how many people did have their rings at the meetup. So please
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quick list of the meetups that we have coming up Copenhagen
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Tennessee. What are you gonna bet Sir Patrick will be there.
Atlanta, Georgia on July 13. Another southwest London meetup
on July 20. And on the 20th a brand new one entered Buffalo
New York.
John C. Dvorak: Penetration testing.
Adam Curry: I got an urgent I got an urgent report from Sweden
just came in from Eric. Wow. Let me let me read this to you. He
said as of Monday, on Monday, June 10. The following happened
in Sweden that was probably not or under reported. You ready for
this? Sure. This is one day in Sweden. Bomb threatening English
speaking EU citizen carrying three passports shot by police
at Malmo Central Station, man shot at feger Show outside of
Stockholm female train conductor assaulted by two men and or a
bow array bro. Pedestrian run over during police pursuit in
Stockholm man shot and killed a Momo shooting in another part of
Malmo attempted murder shooting in 10. Star Stockholm shooting
in got Sundar Uppsala, another shooting in Uppsala later in the
day in connection with a fight involving 10 to 15 people man
found stabbed in Salem outside soccer Stockholm, another man
taken to hospital after knife fight between neighbors outside
Helsingborg to critically injured after knife fight in
connection to a softball game and Lyngby two more bombings and
Mama at late night this leaves out the large bombing of an
apartment building and lit coping previous the previous
Friday which injured 25 and damage 250 apartments. Did you
hear any of this course not especially the apartment being
blown up? Now. This is what you get when your news is focused on
Bo Joe with the Mojo and orange MAN bad. It's pathetic. No
wonder you're losing your ass because you're not reporting
news. Orange Man bad.
John C. Dvorak: Well, yeah, that sounds like they have issues
that need to be resolved. Societal based issues,
egalitarian problems? Yes. Well, the one piece of news that I
thought was very important that I had, that's why I sent the
bonus clips off which is this was happened just just as the
show is being produced and needed to be discussed a little
bit which is the ship to two ships being attacked, variously
reported as by torpedoes. And it was shells and nobody really
just gotten the story straight. It'll be straightened out as
after the show's done, but and by the way, this reflects almost
to a tee. The kind of stuff that was in the day was short ones.
13 Episodes Season a Rubicon
Unknown: for following a developing story out of the Gulf
of Oman. The US Navy says it's responding to reports of attacks
on shipping vessels there. A statement goes on to say that US
naval forces in the region received two separate distress
calls this morning, local time. It adds that ships in the area
are rendering assistance, the news is sending oil prices up
sharply. US crude prices surged as much as 4% as details of the
reports first emerged, but currently up more than 2%. As
you can see, CNN International diplomatic editor NIC Robertson,
following developments from here in London, but first of all to
go to go to Zoo she's in Abu Dhabi go what do we know right
now in terms of confirmed detail?
Well, it's a developing story, but at this point, we know that
an incident took place on two shipping vessels in the Gulf of
Oman. And in that particular in these incidents, we know that
one oil tanker is was involved and a chemical vessel carrying
chemical products was involved. The company that owns the
chemical products shipping company that that vessel says
that there A ship was attacked twice with some sort of shell.
We know at this point that 44 people, crew members of those
two ships have been rescued by the Iranian navy.
Adam Curry: Hmm. Okay. Yeah.
What's your assessment of the of the switch?
John C. Dvorak: Sutton's?
Adam Curry: I know you'd like that. What's the sitch? Chem
impossible?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know. I think it could be a.
Adam Curry: How about this? How about market marecic? How about
market manipulation? Maybe doing this? How about market
manipulation?
John C. Dvorak: Manipulation is part of it. That would be that's
the reference to Rubicon.
Adam Curry: Yes. And the oil price was already going down way
too low, uncomfortable. We can't have any of that.
John C. Dvorak: So let's shoot a ship full oil. Or
Adam Curry: maybe we'll just say this one that we've seen video.
Have you seen any rap?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And we sold crap like the Gulf of
Tonkin. That was a classic. You should look into that. And we'll
have to see read some funny,
Adam Curry: we'll have to see.
John C. Dvorak: I mean, I like you know, going back in time, I
do have a clip from 2020 10 which I just I ran into a cache
of old archived material from the from the recorders that I
used back in 2010. And I saw what's on here, and it's just I
had to read it, I mean, to produce them, but I got a kick
out of this one because I don't know that NBC at Rock
Rockefeller Center has they have a store? Yeah. And I don't know
that they sell Donald Trump memorabilia. But apparently in
2010, according to O'Reilly, who ridiculed this when he had a TV
show this O'Reilly toy, it says 1010 By the way, according to
O'Reilly, they would this was this was the product in 2010.
This is what they were doing.
Unknown: NBC News continues to support the president just about
every way. At their headquarters in Manhattan. The NBC store is
selling Obama merchandise, doll shirts, mugs, you can get them
all at the NBC store. Didn't see any Sarah Palin stuff there. I
didn't see bowl fresh, but they may have been sold out.
Adam Curry: It's the Obama fetish from back then it was
great. It was good times everyone loved him. We were
feeling good. It was hope and change. It was fabulous.
John C. Dvorak: Hope and Change and change. Have you directed it
up with no hope and a pocketful of change? I
Adam Curry: recommended you watch this fleabag on I think
it's on Netflix series. Have you watched this? fleabag Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: So I've watched a couple episodes. So the thing
is the
Adam Curry: first episode, just because we're talking about
about Obama, and I thought it was very realistic. She's lying
in bed with her boyfriend and you know, they're they're
basically breaking up, or no, they just had sex. And he's done
and she was clearly not done. He rolls over goes to sleep. And
she's watching Obama masturbating to Obama. What
President did anyone do that too but Obama, I can't think any of
any other President Clinton particularly white women.
John C. Dvorak: Click Clinton, but they were forced the worst.
Adam Curry: Yeah, baby boy was back in town. We are very proud
to say that Ebola has moved from the Congo to a new spot in
Africa. And my predictions always are when Ebola shows up
that the military is on the way. It
Unknown: was detected by the health workers at cargando
hospital with signs and symptoms of Ebola and immediately
transferred to an isolated at where hospital Ebola treatment
unit for further management. A blood sample was drawn and sent
for testing at Uganda virus Research Institute very early on
the morning of June 11. And the sample tested positive for
Ebola. All the other Congolese family members have been
identified. And I in isolation at Guerra Hospital
has said Wednesday afternoon the World Health Organization says
two new cases of Ebola has been confirmed
the Ministry of Health the World Organization and the Center for
Disease Control have dispatched a rapid response team to assess
it to support the teams who are on the ground to continue with
various activities, including contact tracing and case
management. The Ministry of Health who and CDC will
undertake ring vaccination of contacts to the case and other
non vaccinated frontline health workers as well as other workers
beginning 14th June 2019.
Adam Curry: So this ring vaccination is what really
caught my ear on this Apparently there is a number that first of
all, this is right this is 30 kilometers from Kampala in
Uganda, this is a big deal. This is this is this is now not just
some little place where mining up in, in the Congo, Kampala,
this is where big terrorist attacks take place is, you know,
a lot of things happen in Uganda. And we've sent CDC which
as we know is you know, has its roots in military. But then
they're doing these ring vaccinations, which is here it
is the our vSv das ze bo v. And it's a vaccine that is
experimental. And they call this ring vaccination approach by
offering to contacts of the people diagnosed with a bola and
their contacts, and also frontline workers to be
vaccinated with the
test vaccine. So I don't know what the plan is on this.
John C. Dvorak: But I think one wasn't there. Isn't there a
legitimately tested already vaccine for Ebola that they were
shooting people up with in the Congo?
Adam Curry: This is the same one, but it's not legitimately
tested? I thought it was that same thing. Ring testing, ring
testing, which
John C. Dvorak: let me see if I have no I'm unfamiliar with
this.
Adam Curry: Well, it's a way of saying we're going to test the
shit on you. Only we make it sound cool by saying ring. Okay,
whatever. It
John C. Dvorak: makes sense. We're going to use the African
population to just test random vaccines on Well, this
Adam Curry: is what we've always been told is that this takes
place and here it is, as far as I can tell and pain. You make it
sound great. And they have some kid who died and I guess that he
had Ebola, I don't know. But this is a development that is it
takes us out of out of the Congo and DRC and puts it straight
into right into combat where I lived when I was a kid military
ROTC
John C. Dvorak: you'll be keeping track of this.
Adam Curry: Yes, I will be on top of the Ebola Ebola. I will
stay on top. I will stay on top of Ebola.
You bet bola
the count from Africa give diarrhea.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, the other big news that you missed out on?
Well, you didn't because it's in Hong Kong. Yeah. And have a
pretty good update and this is the Hong Kong update. I believe
this the CBSE did a pretty good job.
Unknown: There were more clashes today in the streets of Hong
Kong. Protesters are outraged over a proposal to send criminal
suspects to mainland China for prosecution. Riot police met
them with tear gas and rubber bullets Ramya no Sensia was in
that crowd.
We have to use force said Hong Kong's police chief, and they
did. They shot tear gas and pepper spray swung batons and
fired rubber bullets. Protesters pushed back with water bottles
protected by umbrellas and masks. Everyone was a target,
including us. Oh. Already the smoke and the tear gas is making
its way here. Feeling it inside your nose into your eyes is
getting closer and closer. Helping Hands came from these
protesters drink some water. Okay, thank you. But it's a
small kind of sting when your futures at stake.
I think that's no hope but we still need to continue to fight
against the fight against the big Beijing government and
protests our city and our future.
The hope to stop lawmakers from passing a controversial
extradition bill. The fear if fast anyone here could be
extradited to mainland China. Human rights lawyer Jason Eng
says that could include foreigners. If I'm an American,
and I did something bad here. I could potentially be extradited
to China.
Well, you don't even have to do anything bad. What is to stop
China from making up evidence on soil. Hong Kong. Hong
Kong's chief executive Carrie Lam, who's appointed by Beijing
said she hasn't sold out Hong Kong. But in a separate speech
condemned the protesters as writers. That designation means
protesters may be subjected to very long prison terms if
arrested, but that's a risk many are willing to take, especially
as we get closer to the bill's passage. Chief Executive Carrie
Lam says she hopes to do that by next week.
Adam Curry: Yeah, this is this is interesting.
John C. Dvorak: Well, it flies in the face of these two systems
one country bowl crap
Adam Curry: deal, the deal that was made the deal was hands off.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And so this, of course, all goes back
to facture screwed everybody by given de Hong Kong back to China
for no apparent reason. And that because they still be a British
colony otherwise, because it was it was a lease for life or some
ridiculous number, Chinese think long term. So that wasn't a big
deal to them. But and then the Chinese made a big stink about
well, don't worry about it because that guy was in Hong
Kong, just before the 97 turnover. And everybody there
was paranoid and they've got people come up to a period of
friends of mine who say he had to all we hear is people
speaking Mandarin. And because of this was the big because
everyone speaks Cantonese, and in Hong Kong, and they're here
too many people, oh, these people are there. They're moving
and they're going to prison us. And of course it didn't. That
was the same period where all the expatriates moved to Canada,
most of them because you could buy Canadian citizenship for
$250,000. And many of the great chefs of Hong Kong, moved to
Canada was created, especially in Vancouver, Vancouver, and
COVID a great subculture of Chinese restaurants. It was
weird, and the Chinese assuaged. It was this bull crap, which
apparently is bullcrapping. This woman, this lamb woman, who's
who's the governor of the Hong Kong, appointed by Beijing is a
creep.
Adam Curry: Well, it worried about the social scoring that
would apparently be used to you know, to entrap people and and
have them extradited. Tina was talking with some people at the
gym. I think she's at a new gym now, because we moved. And she
was talking about her nutty husband the conspiracy tinfoil
hat where and dude about it, some of the conversation went to
Black Mirror and the social score, that one of the first
episodes, which I think was one of the best ones, it's second
season, I don't know what the hell they're doing. But one of
the guys there is in China quite regularly even had the social
score app. He said, the kids hate it. They found all these
ways to hack around it, they show you Oh, look, you do this,
you do this. And then your score, your score changes.
They're they're completely circumventing the whole system,
which is encouraging to hear.
John C. Dvorak: Well, it's discouraging for me to hear that
you have to do that. Because those those bypasses are always
thought sorted eventually.
Adam Curry: Yeah, to a degree. I'd like to hear from some of
our producers in China about the circumvention. What do you do? I
mean, what exactly do you is it the way you hold your phone
different or turn something on or off? Or
John C. Dvorak: some apps that Yeah, could feed data here and
there that weren't shouldn't be going? I don't know. And, yes,
good for you to do that. But at the same time, why? The public
at large and China can only put up with so much they do they
have had revolutions
Adam Curry: and it could happen again. I have just two Article
Two items I want to discuss quickly. One. Congratulations.
Yes. You have a clip last thing as a clip because it'd be great.
Yeah, less than two stories. No clip. First of all. I remember
my prediction. football, soccer is going to be big in the
States. As long as it's women. I love the pounding the USA team
gave to Thailand 13 to nil at the World Cup. That there's your
your boring scores. John, you always hate these boring 111 nil
nil nil scores. 13 nil.
John C. Dvorak: And then they were gloating about it and now
they're everyone hates him scourge.
Adam Curry: Everyone hates him. You're bad. You're bad winners.
That's worse than sore losers. You guys are horrible. Yeah, I'm
all for it. Yeah, I think pounded the ties perfect. The
second one is about this helicopter crash in Manhattan.
And I have been able to do some work on this. So I I'm pretty
sure I know what happened although we never know exactly
until until we get the full report. First of all, I owned
this exact type of aircraft. Before in 1999 This was the
Augusta 109 e power. This is firstly it's an incredibly it's
one of the safest machines you can fly. It's twin turbo Engine
can do single pilot IFR, which means you can fly in any
conditions just like well not at the altitude but just like any
airline aircraft on you know, essentially you're on
instruments you have to be certified. This pilot, although
he was an experienced pilot was not certified IFR. So you can't
fly an instrument flying rules conditions. Now, I am not
certified on helicopter for IFR. But I have had the training. And
here's what happens when you are flying in what we call whiteout
conditions, which is what he was in hit the ceiling was 700 feet.
But when you're even 200 feet below that, it looks very
different in the air than from the ground, you probably saw the
video of the helicopter flying quote II radically. You actually
can't see where you are in those kinds of conditions. And when
you're flying a helicopter, you're not instrument rated. And
you don't know how to use the instruments. You will be upside
down within 30 seconds. It's it's it's your you get vertigo
and and it's very, very dangerous situation. This guy
tried to make it back he wanted to well we call Scud running to
kind of skirt underneath the ceiling. And I think he got up
there and immediately he got disoriented. That's what we saw
on that video. And unfortunately, he crashed into
the building. It's that simple. And it's a day record for him
and for everybody else involved. But it was a typical, very
typical case of pilot error, which is what most of these
accidents are. And he never should have taken off. It was
just a big mistake. So that's all there is to it. Everything
else everything else you heard is bullcrap.
John C. Dvorak: That would make sense? Yeah. All right. Well,
the last clip. This was kind of a newsy thing and it was done.
It says somebody did a deep fake on Zuckerberg.
Adam Curry: I have not seen it there wasn't any good.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, it was not very long because I think it's
23 seconds. I don't like get the whole clip here. I have the
voice is 17 seconds is takes a lot of work to make one of these
and it has Zuckerberg sitting there looks just like Zuckerberg
is based on Zuckerberg. And then they have a voice which doesn't
sound quite like Zuckerberg. But it sounds enough they did not
know like rubber kind of swallows his. He's asked walls
when he talks through walls when he says I can't even do the
invitation. But he does it a little bit Gates does it. A lot
of these guys do that. And so it sounds more like a very clear
Zuckerberg and is not even it's not that interesting. But you do
have the clip I do want to say that I believe in Zuckerberg Did
you know The Facebook's were not big news was they're not taking
it off Instagram this fake. And that was because they refused to
take off to Nancy Pelosi. Sure. And so they said look, we kept
ours on doing and just just the way we are. And so they they
didn't take it off and they shouldn't have taken off because
it's so funny. But here is what it sounds like.
Adam Curry: Imagine this for a second. One man with total
control of billions of people stolen data, all their secrets,
their lives, their futures. I owe it all to Spectre. Spectre
showed me that whoever controls the data controls the future.
Okay, hold
on a second. That sounded nothing like Zuckerberg. That's
the worst thing I've ever heard.
John C. Dvorak: Like, no, not
Unknown: even.
John C. Dvorak: I shaved so I disagree. I think it's vaguely
sounds like him and then when you have his head there yakking
away
Adam Curry: well that's that's the difference. Yes, but when
you just hear it No. I thought it didn't sound anything like
him at all.
John C. Dvorak: But I thought it sounded vaguely like him. But
that that was it that was the bit it was very funny then
leaving it up it's going to just encourage more people to do
these things which is probably not a good idea and it's
probably the I would personally if I was Facebook I'd take down
to Pelosi one I take down this I take them both down exactly why
they didn't is because you know the this these guys are reactive
they're all boarded up all the Conservatives bitch and hold on
hold on our stuff down. Why do you and they say yes Are they
just doing stuff? Stupidly they should take both these things
down they stink and is the problem I have with them is not
that they're political one way or the other or are just
naughty. It's that it's encouraging more people to do
this stuff, but we don't need it.
Adam Curry: Well, was this the synthesized voice that did this
deep fake? Was that like the one they did with Joe Rogan? Is that
the is that the same company that put
John C. Dvorak: this together? Yeah, Dad, I didn't dig into it.
Well,
Adam Curry: all I'm saying is just like when we listen to
audio only have a television show. That's when you hear the
bad acting. I have not seen this deep fake video. I was not
Seeing Zuckerberg face only what was burned into my head from
seeing him on television. Yeah, no, it did not sound like him.
John C. Dvorak: Just well, you're, you're it's the same
thing. You're right when we do the video clips of, you know,
some TV show, and then we just use the audio of the acting.
It's terrible and you just start noticing it. And that's probably
you, you I had the disadvantage of seeing the thing with his
face. And so I'm looking to hear him more than you are. Right and
I did I hear a little bit of him in there a little bit, even
though it's fake now. But yeah, you're right. I'm not gonna deny
that and it's not I never said it was great. bass part is no
I'm because I've
Adam Curry: read about this. I've not seen it or heard it.
And I'm just like, Oh, really? This what everyone's all jacked
about. It's no good.
John C. Dvorak: No, good. I knew you wouldn't have it because
you're looking around. And so I thought I'd just play it for
you. And it's certainly 17 seconds long.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, everybody, we're going to Well,
we're we've gone long speaking of long so we're going to shut
it down for now, but we'll return on Sunday Father's Day.
Remember your dad at dvorak.org/and a support the
value for value model. I will be coming to you from a castle in
Northern Ireland. And we'll have more EU reports. Possibly yes, I
John C. Dvorak: was going to be central heating in that castle.
Adam Curry: I hope so. Stay tuned on no agenda stream.com
for another episode of Nic the rat and thanks to Jesse Coyne
Nelson, sir seat sitter and Abel Kirby before the end of show
mixes coming to you from the capital of Gitmo nation, East
London in the UK in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry,
John C. Dvorak: and I'm from Northern Silicon Valley, where
I'm still watching the double decker buses. I think I saw four
during the show I'm John C. Dvorak
Adam Curry: we return on Sunday right here on no agenda until
then I do smoke photos and such.
Unknown: They kick me out at a partner program none of my
videos receive any kind of monetization anymore at all
there's no monetization is nothing and none of them can get
monetized. Where you are with the What can I do
now you are God,
Adam Curry: I have no idea what I'm supposed to do next page
Unknown: to monetize. But that's not
gonna stop the fact that I bought 90% of my income. That's
not going to stop the fact that I literally can't make a living
anymore even though I have a degree. I was valedictorian in
college, I guess, juice was now
John C. Dvorak: how can I add on YouTube lawyer Ian Corazon and
I'm a creator to crown.
Adam Curry: If your revenue is derived from advertising, which
I think most people who are YouTube creators are Zoomers and
millennials who hate advertising don't give a crap about it and
they just forget that the check you see is from the advertising
that shows up and if you're going to do anything that is
adverse to that then the ads will stop it's how simple is
this to understand
Unknown: call this God. Just call this crowded j change is
used to see the whole planet is a climate crisis. You've been
warned you had an impact just by being more Please don't miss
this. I'm going to cry. So save your map believe in him. Win
John C. Dvorak: Oh boy boys on the other side of the brunch
bar, deepen the gentrified city of Austin. I'm any young girl
walking or two dogs a black Irish sad or in miniature
dachshund. Standing by the corner in a park or hips teak
bow she was lost because her iPhone batteries I showed her
how to find a way to the coffee house. She was swiping right.
And so it was it. She is a millennial fell in love with
her. She took a scooter to the doggy daycare. Found her on
Instagram. She posted pressed me I liked all pictures so she know
that I can called an Uber and I put in my 12 gauge plugs I
picked her up at a park full of tents and tram she had a
shopping cart full of stuff I said wait you're homeless? She
said yeah, I guess I am. Hobo
Adam Curry: borak.org/and A Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa.